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OUR TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION.TODAY IS APRIL 8TH, AND, UM, OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO HEAR FROM MARK WINEGARTEN RELATING TO METROPOLIS.
GOOD EVENING, MR. NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY.
IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? JUST KEEP YOUR MIC CLOSER.
IT'S ON, IT WAS ON BEFORE SHE WAS, HE WAS GOOD.
SHOULD I JUST WANNA ASK, SHOULD WE HAVE, UM, RICH, FUN, UM, ON, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
I THINK WE SHOULD HEAR A REQUEST AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD CAN DISCUSS AND WE COULD DISCUSS WITH COMMISSIONER FAWN IF NECESSARY.
SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF A SIMPLE REQUEST.
JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF SINCE I WILL MARK WEINGARTEN.
I'M TYPICALLY HERE AS AN ATTORNEY, BUT I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY AS A PRINCIPAL OR AS A MEMBER OF METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
HENCE I DON'T HAVE TO WEAR A TIE.
MAYBE THE FIRST TIME EVER HERE AT THE TOWN BOARD.
YOU WERE A LITTLE UNDERDRESSED.
UH, WHAT'S THAT? I THOUGHT YOU WERE A LITTLE UNDERDRESSED.
SO AGAIN, A, A SIMPLE REQUEST AT METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB, AS YOU KNOW, WHICH IS ON DOPPS FERRY ROAD, UH, WE SUFFERED A WATER MAIN BREAK OVER THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY.
THE PROBLEM WITH THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY IS THERE'S NOBODY THERE.
UH, LONG STORY SHORT, THE $400 WATER BILL THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY EXPECT FOR THAT PERIOD IS $9,700 BECAUSE THE WATER MAIN BROKE AND IT FLOODED, AND IT COST A LOT OF DAMAGE FOR US, AND IT WAS FIXED AND IT'S ALL BEEN FIXED.
UH, SO ESSENTIALLY THEY ASKED ME IF I WOULD COME HERE ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AND, AND PETITION THE BOARD FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE THE WHOLESALE RATE FOR THE WATER.
WE CLEARLY DIDN'T USE THE WATER, BUT IT WAS UTILIZED.
WE, NOBODY'S DISPUTING THAT THE BILL IS LEGITIMATE, BUT WE'RE ASKING IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF A BREAK THAT WE COULD GET FROM THE TOWN AS A CORPORATE CITIZEN WHO OPERATES HERE AND SUPPORTS THE LOCALS.
AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME, UH, TYPE OF HELP IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, THE, THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT.
DON'T WE, UM, UH, SOMETIMES GIVE, UH, BREAKS TO RESIDENTS IF THERE'S, THERE IS A POLICY CURRENTLY IN PLACE THAT'S A ONETIME BREAK FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, AND THAT IS IN THE, UM, WATER POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY ASKING TO BE TREATED JUST LIKE A REGULAR CUSTOMER.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH RESIDENTIAL, BUT I'M ASSUMING, BUT YES, WE'D BE, WE'D BE ASKING FOR IT AS A ONE-TIME BASIS FOR A COMMERCIAL, UH, COMMERCIAL OWNER.
COULD YOU PULL YOUR MIC CLOSER? RIGHT.
UM, SO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WOULD WE HAVE TO CHANGE, UH, THE, THE LAW RELATING TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY? YOU HAVE TO CHANGE, YOU'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE INTERNAL POLICY THROUGH A TOWN BOARD RESOLUTION, VOTED AND APPROVED AT A TOWN BOARD MEETING.
AND THAT WOULD BE A LOCAL LAW OR JUST A, IT WOULD NOT BE A LOCAL LAW.
NO, IT'D BE A POLICY APPROVED VIA RESOLUTION.
WHAT KIND OF BREAK ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? A, AGAIN, WHATEVER YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO DO.
AGAIN, IT WAS, IT, IT IS TYPICALLY A $400 BILL IS WHAT I'M TOLD ON, ON THE WHATEVER.
BUT, UH, THEY, I HAD ASKED THE BILL, THE BILL WAS $9,700 AND I ASKED WHAT THE TYPICAL BILL WOULD BE.
YOU COULD CHECK WITH MR. FAWN.
AND THEY SAID IT WAS TYPICALLY FOUR, $400.
SO IT'S MORE THAN $9,000 MORE THAN WHAT WE WOULD NORMALLY GET.
AND WHATEVER DISCOUNT, WHICH WOULD BE APPROPRIATE OR YOU WOULD CONSIDER WE WOULD BE GRATEFUL.
UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE ONE TIME IS ONE TIME AND YOU'RE OUT AND THAT'S IT FOR EVERMORE OR ONE 'CAUSE I DON'T RECALL.
OR ONE TIME IN ONE TIME A CERTAIN PERIOD.
YOU KNOW, JUST AND DONE ONE AND DONE.
ONE, WE'VE REPAIRED IT, BUT, AND, AND, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING IN A NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN THE ENTIRE, WE'LL BE PERMITTING THAT.
IN FACT, I THINK YOU'RE AWARE THERE'S CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AT METROPOLIS.
WE SOLD A PIECE OF LAND ADJACENT TO US FOR THE BRIGHTVIEW THAT IS BEING CURRENTLY BUILT.
ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THAT TO DO THAT WAS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OF DOING A IRRIGATION SYSTEM.
SO THAT WE ARE COMPLETELY REDOING THAT AS WE GO FORWARD WITH OUR PLANS FOR, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THE CLUB.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE THE CONCERN.
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED HERE WITH THAT, IT, IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A WATER MAIN BREAK.
IT JUST WAS THE TERRIBLE COINCIDENCE THAT OCCURRED OVER THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY WHEN NOBODY IS THERE.
WE CLOSED FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND SO IT WAS ON FOR WHO KNOWS HOW MANY DAYS WITHOUT ANYBODY NOTICING IT BEFORE IT WAS THEN, UH, REPAIRED.
SO THIS WAS A WATER MAINE FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, NOT YOUR, YOUR, UM, PIPES FROM THE MAIN TO THE CLUB? WELL, NO, I, I THINK IT, NO, I THINK IT'S OUR PIPES.
I THINK WE'RE NOBODY'S SUGGESTING THAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT IF YOU WERE RE NO, I, I WASN'T, I
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WASN'T EVEN GOING THERE.UM, I JUST WANT IT WAS POINT OF INFORMATION.
UM, I I JUST, I'M NOT OBJECTING TO IT.
I JUST, $9,000 IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF THINGS, SINCE IT'S A ONE SHOT DEAL, A ONE AND DONE.
UM, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE DISCUSSED IT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IF SOMETHING GREATER HAPPENS, AND OF COURSE WE CAN ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WHAT IFS SINCE $9,000 IS, YOU KNOW, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT $9,000 TO COME OUTTA MY POCKET.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET IS FROM METROPOLIS, BUT I'M JUST THINKING IT THROUGH AND WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY SURE.
YOU WANT US TO NO, NO, I THINK WE ARE BECAUSE I, I DON'T THINK SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN BECAUSE WE WOULD NOTICE IF SOMETHING HAPPENED IN OUR CLUBHOUSE, LIKE THIS HAPPENED BEFORE WE WOULD NOTICE IT.
IT'S DURING WELL, AND NOW YOU'RE GONNA GONNA BE ON ALERT EVEN WHEN THE CLUB IS CLOSED.
PROBABLY YOU'LL HAVE SOMEONE CHECKING TO MAKE SURE.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME AS FAR AS I KNOW THAT IT'S HAPPENED.
SO I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CON IT WAS JUST KIND OF A, A FLUKE PERFECT STORM, SO TO SPEAK.
DID YOU SIGN UP FOR ALERTS SO THAT YOU WOULD BE NOTIFIED IF THERE WAS A, A, A WATER, YOU KNOW, EXCESSIVE USE? I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
SO SHOULD WE HAVE AN INTERNAL DISCUSSION AND THEN GET BACK TO MR. ARD? ABSOLUTELY.
IT WAS A GOOD EXCUSE TO BE HERE ANYWAY.
BRING SOME WARM WEATHER NEXT TIME.
WHAT'S THAT? BRING SOME WARM WEATHER NEXT TIME.
UM, THEY ASKED, UM, US TO PARTICIPATE IN LIKE A ACCELERATED 2025 RENEWAL PLAN, AND, UM, THEY WANTED A YES OR NO, YOU KNOW, ANSWER AND MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
IS THE NEW AGENDA SINCE YESTERDAY? YEAH, IT'S ON, UH, YES.
THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WAS AS IS, THAT'S WHAT'S LISTED AS THE NEXT ITEM.
I CAN TAKE A PICTURE TO BE DISCUSSED AT 5 45.
I SEND YOU HAVE A, WHAT WAS SENT OUT YESTERDAY IS NOT THE AGENDA.
OH, I DON'T, I'M LOOKING WHAT HOLLY SENT US YESTERDAY.
BUT I'M, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MAYBE, I DON'T THINK IT WAS UPDATED.
I THINK IT'S BEEN UPDATED SINCE YESTERDAY.
OR I'M JUST WONDERING BEFORE MAYBE WONDERING WHY, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE HEARD FROM NOAM LAST WEEK, WE PREPARED THIS, WELL, WE, WE HEARD FROM NOAM LAST WEEK, AND THEN WE SAID WE WERE GONNA, UH, DISCUSS IT AND GET BACK TO THEM.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WANT TO BASICALLY, DIDN'T THEY SAY LAST WEEK THAT THEY WANTED ALL THE COMMUNITIES TO, THAT'S NOT THE POINT IS IF THERE'S AN UPDATE, I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANOTHER UPDATE.
IF THERE'S AN UPDATE WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT IT.
THERE WAS NO UPDATE, AN UPDATE TO THE, AT THE TABLE.
UM, FRANCIS, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? RIGHT.
I, I'LL LOOK ALSO, ARE YOU SEEING THAT AGENDA FOR THE FIRST TIME SITTING AT THE TABLE? HONESTLY, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I ASKED HOLLY, I THINK YESTERDAY, I, UM, IF SHE COULD PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE, UM, UM, SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER REACHED OUT TO ME AND SAID, UH, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, WE GIVE THEM AN ANSWER.
THAT'S, SO THEN I, I SAID TO HER, YOU KNOW, I JUST SORT OF THOUGHT THIS, WE SHOULD PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR A YES OR NO.
AND THEN I THINK HOLLY SAID, UH, SHE WAS WAITING FOR RESPONSE FROM THE TOWN BOARD, AND I DON'T THINK SHE GOT A RESPONSE.
SO I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T, SO SHE PUT IT ON
NO, BECAUSE SHE, YOU KNOW, SHE HAD EMAILED EVERYBODY AND HADN'T HEARD BACK.
SO I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE WORST THING WE COULD SAY IS WE'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS IT TODAY AND WE'LL PUT IT ON FOR NEXT WEEK.
IT'S, IT, IS IT, I GUESS IT'S ON, IS THERE, WHAT ELSE IS ON THE AGENDA? OH, I KNOW, UM, THE NOISE.
YOU JUST, IT, I JUST SENT IT TO YOU.
I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU PREFER, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THIS ON FOR NEXT WEEK AND EVERYBODY COULD REFLECT ON IT, THAT'S FINE.
YOU WANT, HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE HE HAS THE MOST UPDATED, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND YOU KNOW, WHAT I PREPARE FOR IS THE AGENDAS THAT I SEE, NOT THE ONES THAT ARE LAST MINUTE ARE INVENTED THE SAME DAY.
YOUR TEXT, NOT YOUR, NOT YOUR PHONE.
SO IT'S JUST THE WESTCHESTER POWER HAS BEEN ADDED.
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ALL RIGHT.I, I SAW AN EMAIL FROM HOLLY FROM, SO ARE WE GONNA, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO, LET'S, LET'S DO IT NEXT.
I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IT ALL.
ARE THERE, IS THERE LIKE ANY ISSUES THAT WE COULD, OR SHOULD WE HAVE KNOWN EM BACK HERE? I'M NOT, I'M NOT SUPPORTING A RENEWAL PLAN WHEN WE HAVEN'T PUT OUT A MAILING, LIKE WE SAID WE WOULD, THEY PROMISED THAT THEY WERE GONNA DO A MAILING WHEN WE SIGNED, AND THEN AFTER WE SIGNED, THEY CAME UP WITH SOME REASON WHY THEY COULDN'T DO THE MAILING.
AND NOW, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD ONE, ONE MONTH WHERE, OR MAYBE TWO WHERE THEY WERE LOWER AND WE'RE SAYING, WELL, IT TAKES THREE.
BUT WE NEVER DID THE INITIAL BALLOT.
WELL, I, I EMAILED NOAM YESTERDAY AND I BASICALLY SUGGESTED, I SAID THE MARCH RATE WERE WAS CONED RATES WERE LOWER THAN THE ESCO.
UH, SO, UH, SO, UM, UH, OR THE, UH, WESTCHESTER POWER.
SO I BASICALLY, UM, SUGGESTED THAT, UM, THEY, THE MAILING WITH A MAILING NOW AND SAY, SINCE THE LAST CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE COMPARISON IN NOVEMBER, SHOULD BE MONTH BY MONTH TO DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH.
AND WE'RE, AND WE, AND YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY COULD EVEN WAIT TILL THE, SO I GUESS, I GUESS PAUL, WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO CALL THEM TO DO THAT IF THAT WAS PART OF THE CONTRACT? BECAUSE THE CONTRACT SAID THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE, WE, THEY WOULD'VE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE MAILING, BUT WE WOULD BASICALLY HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.
NO, BUT WE, BUT WE, BUT WE AGREED TO HAVE THAT INITIAL POSTCARD GO OUT.
WHY WOULD WE HAVE TO REMIND THEM TO DO THAT IF THAT WAS PART OF THE CONTRACT? BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS THREE CONSECUTIVE MONTHS THAT WE SAID NO, THE INITIAL, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ONE.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF, DEPENDING ON, I REMEMBER THIS, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT FELL, IF IT WAS THREE HIGH, IF CONED, IF CONED WAS HIGHER, THEN, THEN THERE WAS GONNA BE A POSTCARD TO GO OUT.
SO I THINK, DO YOU CORRECT? I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ONE, BUT YOU JUST SAID IT WAS TWO, UH, WESTCHESTER POWER WAS LOWER TWO MONTHS.
SO WAS THAT JANUARY? SO JAN, FEBRUARY AND MARCH WAS LOWER.
WESTCHESTER POWER WAS SLIGHTLY HIGHER IN MARCH, JANUARY, AND FEBRUARY IT WAS LOWER.
ALTHOUGH WE GOT SOMETHING FROM A RESIDENT SAYING THAT THE INFORMATION ABOUT CON ED WAS NOT CORRECT.
THEN HE RESPONDED AND HE SAID THAT.
SO, SO MAYBE, BUT WHEN THEY STAY ON THE, AND WHAT IS GOING OUT, WHEN THEY DO SAY, JUST TO BE FAIR, WHEN THEY DO SAY STANDARD RATE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THAT THAT MEANS THAT IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY RENEWABLE ENERGY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO, IT'S HARD TO, RIGHT.
YOU'RE COMPARING A, AN, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I GET, I FORGET WHAT THE TERM WAS, DIRTY SOMETHING OR OTHER.
UM, BURST DIRTY POWER RENEWABLE.
DIRTY POWER FOR WANT OF ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THAT'S THE ACTUAL TERM VERSUS RENEWABLE.
SO IT'S NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES BECAUSE CON DOESN'T OFFER FOR RENEWABLE.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION WHEN WE DO INFORM THE RESIDENTS.
HAVING SAID THAT, IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULDN'T CARE LESS.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE NOTIFIED THAT THEY CAN OPT OUT.
I THINK WE'RE DOING A BETTER JOB THAN WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
IT'S JUST, UM, TO SIGN UP AGAIN WHEN WE HAVEN'T DONE A MAILING, UM, IS, IS PROBLEMATIC FOR ME.
SO WHY DON'T I, I REACH OUT TO NOAM AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, DEANNE FROM SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER AND SAY THE TOWN BOARD HAD A DISCUSSION AND BASICALLY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THEM TO SEND OUT A MAILING.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN IF THEY DO SEND OUT THE, IT'S ALREADY WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE, WE JUST HAVE TO FIND OUT WHY.
NO, WE COULD SAY, GOING FORWARD, WE WANNA SEND OUR CONDITION.
BUT I GUESS MY POINT TO THAT IS, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH THEM ASKING FOR THE SAME THING.
SO I'M JUST TRYING UNDERSTAND, I, WE HAD DRAFTED A MAILING AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO OUT AND THEN YOU WERE ADDING OTHER THINGS TO IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, IS IT IS HARD TO DO A MA YOU KNOW, FIRST WE THOUGHT, OH, LAST YEAR THE CON ED RATES WERE ALWAYS LOWER THIS YEAR THEY REALLY WEREN'T ALWAYS LOWER.
YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS THEY WEREN'T.
SO IT DOESN'T MAKE SE IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, TO, UH, TO SEND OUT A MAILING.
UM, WHEN THE, THE CON ED RATES BASICALLY ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE HIGHER.
SO YOU SAY IT'S TOO ERRATIC STILL.
SO, SO STILL, SO, SO, BUT NOW I THINK IF WE, IF I SPOKE TO NOAM OR ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY ARE INSISTENT THAT, UH, THEY COMPLY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE POSTCARDS OR THE MAILINGS.
WE WANT SOME, IF WE ARE GONNA ENTER INTO AN ACCELERATED, UH, AGREEMENT, WE WANT, UH, THE MAILING SENT OUT IMMEDIATELY.
I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR INTENTION WAS, YOU KNOW, NEVER TO SEND IT OUT.
WELL, MY RECOLLECTION, I, AND, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE
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PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH IT, BUT IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT GOT CORRECTED, WHICH IS PERHAPS WHY IT DIDN'T GO OUT.BUT WE DESERVE AN EXPLANATION HERE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE LIKE TRYING TO DO A NUMBER ON US, OR IS IT, I DIDN'T SAY I, I DIDN'T, SO I DON'T, BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO GET NO, NOBODY SAID THAT.
NO, I'M SAYING I DON'T DON, I DON'T WANT MY WORDS TO GET TWISTED TO SAY THAT I FELT THAT THEY WERE DOING, I FEEL THAT WE NEED, THEY HAD A CONTRACT, THEY SHOULD ABIDE BY THE CONTRACT AND THEY WON'T.
THAT'S, THEY SHOULD HAVE, SHOULD HAVE ABIDE BY THE CONTRACT.
'CAUSE THAT'S, AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER CONTRACT, BUT THEY DIDN'T FULFILL THE CONTRACT.
THEY WERE, THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.
IF, IF I'M NOT, IF, IF I'M WRONG WITH FIND OUT, BUT I THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, COULD PERHAPS HAVE BEEN THAT, UM, THAT PAUL WANTED TO INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT NO.
AND THAT, THAT HE GOT DROPPED.
I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT MIGHT BE RESPONSIBILITY TO PICK IT UP AND CONTINUE TO CONTINUE.
I THINK IT WAS, I MEAN THERE WAS, WE, WE, WE SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO COMMUNICATE WITH RESIDENTS YES.
IN THIS SORT OF FASHION, AND WE DIDN'T DO IT MM-HMM
SO NOW WE'RE ASKING TO BE, TO SIGN A CONTRACT SAYING THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO AGREE TO DO THE SAME THING.
AND IT WASN'T DONE IN THE FIRST CONTRACT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAN ON THIS.
'CAUSE REMEMBER I WAS RELUCTANT BEFORE TO SIGN THE FIRST CONTRACT MM-HMM
AS YOU KNOW, FROM OUR PREVIOUS ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD.
SO I JUST, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, HOW, HOW WE CAN CONFIRM THAT THEY'RE GONNA ABIDE BY THE CONTRACT.
AND IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT FELL ON YOU, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU FOLLOW THROUGH WITH, IN SENDING THAT INFORMATION OUT.
SO, 'CAUSE IN, BECAUSE IN MY HEAD, THAT RESPONSIBILITY WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN WESTCHESTER POWER.
AND NOW, NOW, IF I'M HEARING IT NOW YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS ON PAROLE? NO, MAY I MAY IT MIGHT, IT WAS TO WESTCHESTER POWER TO SEND, IT WAS FOR US TO FRAME IT AND TO, TO DRAFT IT.
AND THEN THAT GOT COMPLICATED AS ELLEN JUST SAID.
SO SOMEHOW DID NOT END UP HAPPENING.
SO WE SHOULD MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS RIGHT AWAY.
AND IT HAS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WE SIGN ANOTHER CONTRACT.
WE'LL CONTINUE THAT, THAT CONVERSATION.
THE NOISE ORDINANCE ENFORCEMENT, IT'S SORT OF A FOLLOW UP, UH, FROM LAST WEEK.
UM, I WAS PASSING, YOU KNOW, THE SCARSDALE, UM, POLICE HEADQUARTERS YESTERDAY.
SO I SAW THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIGITAL BOARD AND IT, IT IS SO EFFECTIVE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY, UM, SCARSDALE GA YOU KNOW, LEAFBLOWER LORE IS MORE ENFORCEABLE, YOU KNOW, IS WORKING BETTER THAN OUR NOISE LAW IS BECAUSE THEY'RE USING THE DIGITAL BOARDS.
AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, I KNOW THAT PART OF THIS IS EDUCATION AND PEOPLE GETTING USED TO IT.
I ALSO ASKED, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY FOR A, A LIST OF ALL THE LANDSCAPERS, I STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT.
NOW ARE YOU, YOU ASKED AGAIN, I, I KEEP ASKING, BUT THE THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, I SORT OF THINK THAT, UH, EVEN IF THE, I JUST SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE DID THE DIGITAL BOARDS AND WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE VERY SIMPLE LANGUAGE BECAUSE YEAH.
WELL, YES, AND, AND WE ARE SEVERAL TIMES LARGER THAN SCARSDALE.
SO WE HAVE JUST SO MANY DIGITAL BOARDS.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE OF THE IMPACT WHEN IT MIGHT HAVE A NOMINAL IMPACT FOR THE AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT NECESSARILY.
FIRST OF ALL, WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE SCARSDALE HAS THE DIGITAL BOARDS.
UM, AND, AND NUMBER TWO IN THAT ORDER, UM, IS THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DIGITAL BOARDS TO REALLY SPREAD OUT ABOUT THE TOWN, WHICH IS SO MUCH LARGER.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'LL HAVE AS MUCH IMPACT AS YOU HOPE IT WOULD, BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE ORDERING MORE.
I PASS THAT SAME BOARD VERY FREQUENTLY, AND IT SAYS GAS LEAF BLOWER BAN IN EFFECT.
IT SAID, YOU KNOW, IT BREAKS IT UP ONTO THREE BOARDS BECAUSE IT'S TOO MANY WORDS FOR ONE, ONE DISPLAY.
UH, BUT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE ONLY BANNING GAS LEAF BLOWERS.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHED TO DO IS BAN ALL LEAF BLOWERS.
SO THEY MAY HAVE MORE EFFECT WITH THEIRS.
BUT THAT'S, THEY DO USE A DIGITAL BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT BY THE FIREHOUSE.
AND, UH, AND, UH, UM, AND YOU CAN'T MISS IT AS YOU'RE GOING BY.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF, AS IF I'M READING IT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THEY'RE ONLY BANNING GAS LEAF BLOWERS.
THE ONLY OTHER THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT I HAD, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE AND IT HASN'T GOTTEN THE GREAT RESPONSE, BUT I SORT OF FEEL
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THAT, UM, THE KEY TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS FOR PEOPLE TO FEEL THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE VIOLATING THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND A TOWN OFFICIAL HEARS A NOISE WHILE THEY'RE DRIVING BY, THEY COULD ISSUE A, A SUMMONS.AND I, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
AND THAT'S NOT VIABLE OTHER THAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NO, BUT I, I, I DISAGREE BECAUSE I FEEL THAT WE HAVE BUILDING ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AND, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE, UH, A PERSON.
AND IF THEY HAPPEN TO BE DRIVING AND SOMEBODY'S USING EXCESSIVE NOISE, THEY COULD ISSUE IT IF THEY HAD THE RIGHT OF ISSUING A SUMMONS.
IF THEY'RE DRIVING BY, HOWEVER THEY'RE DRIVING BY TO ENFORCE CODE OR CHECK SOMETHING.
AND WHERE ARE THE METERS COMING FROM SO THAT THEY CAN CHECK, HOW CAN THEY WRITE A SUMMONS IF THEY DON'T HAVE A METER AND HAVE TO STOP? WE WOULD GIVE THEM A METER, WAIT A MINUTE, AND HAVE TO STOP AND TAKE TIME OUT OF THEIR VERY BUSY SCHEDULES TO TAKE METER READING.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S RATHER HAPHAZARD.
THEY HAPPEN TO BE DROPPING BY AND HA DRIVING BY AND HAPPEN TO BE STOPPED.
I THINK IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT FUZZY THERE.
I I THINK YOUR INTENTIONS MIGHT BE GOOD, BUT I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE ASKING THEM, THEY ALREADY GO OVER AND ABOVE, YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO GO THAT ONE STEP FURTHER FOR SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, MORE HAPPENSTANCE THAN THE, THE PROBLEM THAT I SORT OF SEE IS IN THE PAST YEAR, YEAR OR TWO YEARS SINCE WE'VE HAD THE LAW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ONE SUM HAS, I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ONE SUMMONS ISSUE.
SO THE THING IS THE LAW HAS A FAILURE.
AND SO, AND THE THING IS, LAST YEAR WE BASICALLY SAID WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF BEFORE EDUCATOR ON, I JUST WANNA GET STATISTICS BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GIVE SOME STATISTICS, HOLD ON.
BEFORE WE GO FORWARD AND WE SAY IT'S A FAILURE.
ALLOW ME TO GIVE YOU SOME STATISTICS.
BUT THAT IS MORE, OKAY, WHEN YOU SAY WE, WE MEAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS RECEIVED 12 CALLS MM-HMM
AND AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE HAS STATED, WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING IS EDUCATING THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN VIOLATORS SO THEY CAN GET USED TO, SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THE LAW AND GET USED TO THE LAW.
WHAT HE ALSO STATED WAS, AS SOON AS THEY FIND THE REPEAT OFFENDERS, THEN THEY CAN SIT AND ISSUE THOSE TICKETS AND SUMMONS.
BUT HE IS TRYING HIS, YOU KNOW, HE, WE, WE HAVE TO EDUCATE AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE EDUCATING EVERYONE.
THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LAW IS.
AND WE DON'T HAVE, AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE RESOURCES TO GIVE, UM, TO THE, TO LEAF BLOWING AND MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE, UM, ARE ADHERING TO THE NOISE, NOISE, NOISE.
I CAN'T EVEN TALK TO THAT NOISE ORDINANCE.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE CHIEF TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND CONTINUE TO EDUCATE THOSE RESIDENTS ONCE WHO ARE CALLING AND IF HIS CAR, IF HIS POLICE OFFICERS ARE RIDING AND NOTICING THAT, DOING THE TEST, MAKING SURE IT IS, AND EDUCATE AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT OUR NOSE AUDIENCE ARE.
YOU CAN ALSO DO, USE ONE OF THE SIGN BOARDS WHEREVER YOU, WHEREVER ONE FITS, YOU CAN USE THAT AS WELL.
BUT THE CHIEF HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF US A COUPLE OF TIMES SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE WE CAN DO.
AND WHEN WE SAID, WHEN WE PASSED THIS LAW, WE KNEW THAT THIS LAW WAS NOT GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE LAWS THAT WAS GOING TO WORK.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHY IT TOOK SO LONG FOR IT TO GET PASSED.
SO I MEAN, THIS, WE ARE DOING OUR BEST.
SO WHAT WE CAN, AND I'M NOT REALLY, YOU KNOW, WELL, I'M SAYING YOU DON'T MEAN THIS PARTICULAR LAW.
YOU MEAN NOISE ORDINANCE IN GENERAL? IN GENERAL, YES.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAID NOISE S ARE VERY HARD TO ENFORCE ME.
YOU KNOW, TO ME, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT THE LAW IS VERY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE NO MATTER WHAT WE DO.
UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BASICALLY PEOPLE CALL AND THEN BY TIME, UH, THE POLICE WOULD ARRIVE, THE LEAK BLOWERS HAVE LEFT, OR THE LANDSCAPERS HAVE LEFT MM-HMM
SO IT'S, IT'S REALLY ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
SO, BUT THE THING IS, I THINK WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE SCARSDALE THING IS THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT IT'S GONNA BE ENFORCED EVEN IF IT'S NOT ENFORCED.
SO I FEEL THAT, I FEEL THAT THERE'S A PERCEPTION BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING, THAT'S NOT NOISE ORDINANCE LAW, THOUGH.
IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, THE SAME COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LAW.
THAT'S COMPLETELY D THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LAW.
AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT LOOK AT OUR LEAF BLOWER LAW, WHICH I'VE WANTED TO DO, BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM A NOISE EVIDENCE LAW.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UM, AS, AS, AS COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON MENTIONED, THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS TOLD US THAT THEY'RE RIGHT NOW GIVING WARNINGS.
SO AS WE WARN AND MAYBE USE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING ON SIGNS AND, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW WE CAN EDUCATE.
OKAY, WELL, I'M SURE GO FROM THERE, PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE.
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ALL THE RESOURCES THAT ALL THE, YOU KNOW, PUT ON THE BOTTOM OF SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYONE CAN BE REMINDED OF, OF, OF THE LEAFBLOWER.I'M TRYING, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
I'M TRYING, I STILL FEEL ALL THAT IT HASN'T WORKED.
BUT THE THING IS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, IN A MONTH OR SO.
WE'LL SEE THE CALLS OR EMAILS WE'RE GETTING, MAYBE WE WON'T GET IT AND MAYBE, MAYBE DON'T WANT, WELL, WE'RE GONNA GET MORE BECAUSE IT'S SPRING CLEANUP TIME.
AND THIS IS, BUT THIS IS NOW AS PER PER, UM, COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON'S SUGGESTION, IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE ONGOING, UM, SCROLLS ON THE WEBSITE THAT SAYS IT'S SPRINGTIME CLEANUP, REMEMBER? AND THEN HAVE THAT CONSTANTLY PAYING FOR IT.
THAT'S ANOTHER WAY OF EDUCATING THAT'S A GOOD IDEA OF THE SCROLLING ON THE WEBSITE.
I'M GONNA, YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON'S IDEA, SO I CAN'T TAKE THAT.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA.
I JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH ABOUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, THERE'S, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED RESOURCES, PARTICULARLY WITH OUR HR ISSUES AND FINDING, YOU KNOW, GETTING PEOPLE FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS CONS, UH, CONCENTRATING ON LIFE SAFETY ISSUES.
UM, UM, PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN FROM, YOU KNOW, CONVENIENCE STORES THAT ARE, ARE SELLING DRUGS.
THAT'S WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED IN DOING.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GIVE THEM MORE TO DO OTHER THAN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND WHAT THE BILLING DEPARTMENT NORMALLY GIVES IS A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, NOT A SUMMON, BUT A NOTE OF VIOLATION.
AND YOU GET 30 DAYS TO CURE THAT NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
WELL, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY YOU'VE STOPPED BLOWING THE LEADS AND YOU'VE SOLVED YOUR NOTICE OF VIOLATION BECAUSE YOU STOPPED DOING IT.
NOW MAYBE YOU GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A WEEK LATER.
BUT THE POLICE CAN ACTUALLY ISSUE SOME
AS THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID TO ME THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT GENERALLY GIVES VIOLATIONS FOR PROPERTY, WHEREAS THE POLICE GIVE BY, UH, SUMMONSES FOR THE ACTIONS OF PEOPLE.
AND SO THERE'S A BIG DISTINCTION THERE.
AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT.
I KNOW PEOPLE SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO BOTHER THE POLICE.
YOU KNOW, IT, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SPOKEN TO THE CHIEF ABOUT THAT.
AS LONG AS YOU USE THE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER, RIGHT.
UH, MAKE A COMPLAINT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE BILLING DEPARTMENT OR IF IT IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO GET THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MIGHT KNOW, HEY, EVERY SATURDAY THIS IS HAPPENING AND THAT'S THE TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOME ACTION CAN BE TAKEN.
WHEN THERE'S A REPEAT OFFENSE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BOTHERED BY THE NOISE, IT'S FRUSTRATING.
UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, GINA MENTIONED THE STATISTICS AND THE CALLS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING, YOU KNOW, TO, TO WRITE THE CALL OR PUT OUT AN EMAIL OR PUT SOMETHING ON NEXT DOOR.
BUT WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS TO MEASURE THE EFFECTIVENESS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF CALLS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND, AND, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF WAS RUN DOWN EACH ONE OF THOSE CALLS AND WHAT THEY DID IN RESPONSE TO EACH ONE.
DO WHEN YOU GET AN EMAIL OR A CALL, DO YOU FORWARD IT TO THE POLICE? ALWAYS.
WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU DO? I ALWAYS, YEAH.
I JUST WONDER IF THE 12 IS THE SAME, 12 AS YOU.
BECAUSE I GOT ABOUT 12 AND THAT'S WELL BEYOND WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING
BUT IT'S BEYOND WHEN THE EVENT OCCURRED.
IF THEY EMAIL YOU TWO DAYS LATER, AND THEN YOU, EVEN IF YOU SEND IT OUT THE SAME DAY, I MEAN, IT'S THREE DAYS OR TWO, IT'S USUALLY LIKE WITHIN FIVE.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS BY THE TIME YOU GET, YOU GET IT, IT'S WELL PAST THAT.
SO OF COURSE THERE CAN BE NO ACTION ON, ON THAT.
BUT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT, OH, THEY WANT SOMETHING STRONGER.
YOU KNOW, THEY WANT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO SCARSDALE OR OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT LAW ENTIRELY.
COUNCILWOMAN HABER KEEPS REINFORCING, AND IF THEY WANT SOMETHING, THEY, IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THEIR PART IN MAKING THE CALL AT THE TIME, THEN EVEN IF IT'S, I MEAN, WHY GO THAT EXTRA MILE? WHY CAN'T WE BE TRUSTING OF OUR RESIDENTS TO ENFORCE THEMSELVES RATHER THAN HAVING US MAKE MORE ONEROUS LAWS? WELL, THE, WELL, BASICALLY, I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE EMAILS THEY WERE SAYING, OH, WE CALL THE POLICE, AND THE POLICE SAID THEY'RE TOO BUSY OR IT'S NOT A, A PRIORITY.
BUT THEN, BUT WHEN WE MET WITH THE POLICE CHIEF, HE INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, HE'S SPEAKING TO HIS PATROL OFFICERS AND MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, HE'S GOING TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO, UH, GIVE IT HIGHER PRIORITY, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE,
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YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY HAS A HEART ATTACK OR SOMEBODY'S COMPLAINING ABOUT LEAF BLOWERS, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT THE POLICE TO DEAL WITH A HEART ATTACK FIRST, OR SOMEBODY'S BEING BURGLARIZED.YOU CAN'T SAY, OH, BY THE WAY, UH, WE HAVE A NOISE COMPLAINT.
YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE.
BUT I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE CHIEF IS, UM, OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, GIVING THIS, YOU KNOW, MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE ATTENTION MM-HMM
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE, UH, PUT, YOU KNOW, THE SCROLLING, YOU KNOW, ON THE WEBSITE AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD GET THE POLICE TO, UM, UH, USE ONE OR TWO OF THE DIGITAL BOARD DOES, YOU KNOW, EXPERIMENTS AND SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND WE CAN MOVE THE DIGITAL BOARDS AROUND SO THERE COULD BE IN FRONT OF TOWN HALL ONE WEEK, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE AN EDGE ONE ANOTHER WEEK.
WE CAN WORK OUT THOSE, WE CAN WORK OUT THOSE DETAILS.
AND LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON, I THINK.
YEAH, BUT I THINK, I MEAN, I'VE JUST, WE JUST GOTTA COMMEND THE CHIEF OF CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
IT'S NOT THAT HE'S NOT ALLOWING IT TO WASTE TO FALL BY THE WAYSIDE.
HE'S DEALING WITH WHAT HE RECEIVES.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, AND IT'S A, IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT, IT'S REALLY A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT PROBLEM TO, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, WE WILL, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, COUPLE WEEKS OR MONTHS, AND THEN WE COULD ALWAYS TWEAK THE LAW OR MODIFY THE LAW IF IT'S NOT WORKING.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL ALL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WHO TOLD US THAT THEY INITIALLY CALLED THE POLICE AND THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, WERE TRUTHFUL.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THE POLICE CHIEF IS ALSO EDUCATING THOSE THAT ARE ANSWERING THE CALLS REGARDING THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROCESS.
UM, SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA, THE TOWN CLERK, YOU HAVE, UM, A BOOK YOU WANT TO GIVE US
UH, THE FIRST THING, COUNCILMAN SHEAN, I EMAILED EVERYTHING TO YOU.
SO YOU HAVE, UH, A COPY AND I, UH, TEXT YOU, UH, THE, UM, UH, THE PAGE FROM THE, UH, ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS.
AND I AM GIVING A DRAFT VERSION, WHICH IS ALSO IN YOUR EMAIL, UM, OF THE JANUARY 22ND, 20, 25 MINUTES.
I'M TALKING, SHE'S, I THINK SHE'S PASSED SOME STUFF.
SO, SO TO, UM, FIRST ADDRESS, UH, COUNCILMAN HA COUNCILWOMAN HABER'S, UM, UH, INQUIRY REGARDING APPROVING OF THE MINUTES.
SO THE FIRST PAGE YOU WILL SEE IS THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS.
IT'S THE ONE SINGLE PAGE MM-HMM
AND ON PAGE EIGHT, IT, UH, TALKS ABOUT, UH, MINUTES IN LOWER WHERE IT SAYS FORMAT.
AND IT SAID, UH, IF THE TOWN BOARD HAS NOT DONE, SO THE TOWN CLERK CAN DETERMINE THE MINUTES FORMAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THESE BOOKS IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO THIS WAS IN PLACE YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 18 HUNDREDS.
SO, UM, SO JUST TELLING YOU, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE FORMAT THAT WAS ACCEPTED.
THAT IS, THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE MINUTES THAT ARE ALL IN THOSE BINDERS.
SO THE MINUTES LOOK LIKE THIS, UM, INCORRECT.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS'S IN THE BOOK, THAT'S WHY I ASKED.
IN THE BOOK IS R THESE PAGES ON OFFICIAL FORMAT PAGES, WHICH IS 11 AND A HALF BY 14.
AND WHEN IT'S TRANSFERRED TO THE BOOK, IT IS IN THIS FORMAT.
THIS IS JANUARY 22ND OF THIS YEAR.
YOU WILL SEE DRAFT ON JUST THE PART THAT YOU SEE, UM, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE IN FRONT OF YOU.
DO YOU WANNA TELL US WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT REAM OF PAPER? SURE.
SO YOU HAVE FIRST OF ALL THE MINUTES, THEN YOU HAVE EVERY PRESENTATION.
SO JUST FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE 22ND, YOU HAVE THE MINUTES THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THEN YOU HAVE THE ODELL, UH, RO SHAMBO EXHIBIT MM-HMM
AND ALL OF ITS WHOLE ENTIRE PRESENTATION.
THEN YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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TOWN LAW AND STATE LAW SAYS, SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TRANSCRIPTION OF PUBLIC HEARINGS IN OUR MINUTES, BUT HOWEVER WE ARE DELAYED IN RECEIVING OUR TRANSCRIPTION.JUST WHAT, WHO AND WHO THE COMPANY DOES THE, THE COMPANY THAT WE USE.
SO WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME? SO ONCE, SO, ONCE, SO WHAT DOES THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THIS JANUARY 22ND MEETING, I DID NOT RECEIVE THE MINUTES UNTIL I WILL, I WILL HONESTLY SAY PROBABLY MIDDLE OR END OF FEBRUARY.
SO IS THAT THE PROCESS? THAT'S WHAT'S OUTLINED THAT IT TAKES FOUR TO SIX WEEKS TO TRANSCRIBE? YES.
'CAUSE THAT'S THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S BEEN THE PROCESS.
SO, UH, I RECEIVED, UM, IN JANUARY, ALL OF THE MINUTES FROM 2017, BECAUSE THIS IS BOOK NUMBER 1, 21 62, AND THE LAST, IS THAT THE MOST RECENT? YES.
OF THE BOOKS THAT COMPLETED BOOKS.
AND THIS WASN'T EVEN COMPLETED.
I HAD TO PRINT OUT THE MINUTES THAT WERE THERE.
AND THIS IS DATED NOVEMBER 28TH, 2017.
THIS IS THE LAST COMPLETED BOOK.
THE LAST COMPLETED MINUTES ON THE WEBSITE IN MINUTE FORMAT IS AUGUST, 2018.
SO THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING ALL OF THIS UP IS BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED THROUGH THE A OT, I'VE LOOKED, WAIT, EXPLAIN A OT, UH, ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS, AND IT GIVES US A GUIDELINE OF, UH, THE ME, THE MINUTES MANUAL MM-HMM
TOWN CLERK, MANUAL TOWN LAW, MANUAL TOWN OF GREENBURG EMPLOYEE HANDBOOK, AND, AND THE A OT ON PAGE EIGHT, ON PAGE NINE, IT STATES THAT IT IS COMMON PRACTICE, BUT THERE IS, THERE ARE NO REGULATORY, UH, LAWS THAT SAYS THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAS TO APPROVE MINUTES.
AND THE REASON WHY I'M BRINGING ALL OF THIS TO, TO YOUR ATTENTION IS BECAUSE THIS, NOW, THIS IS OUR ONE MEETING.
I CANNOT BIND THIS PRINT AND BIND THIS BECAUSE THESE ARE NUMBERED.
WHEN YOU SAY PRINT AND BIND THIS, YOU MEAN FOR US TO REVIEW? NO, NO, NO.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE WHAT TO REVIEW, RIGHT.
BUT IF YOU'RE APPROVING THE MINUTES, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO APPROVE EVERYTHING.
NO,
SO IT JUST HAS TO HAVE IT, BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY GO THROUGH ALL THAT.
WE, WE WENT THROUGH IT ALL DURING THE MEETING, DURING THE MEETING, DURING THE TIME.
UM, LET ME ASK A QUE JUST A LOGISTICAL QUESTION.
I SEE PHOTOGRAPHS AND, UM, PRESENT FULL PRESENTATIONS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY EVERYTHING, BUT NUMBER ONE, CAN WE PRINT TWO-SIDED? NUMBER TWO WHERE THERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS, CAN WE PUT A NUMBER OF THEM ON A PAGE? AND THAT REDUCES OUR USE OF PAPER ANYWAY.
SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ONLY COPY THAT GETS MM-HMM
YOU'LL GET THIS WHAT I GAVE YOU.
RIGHT? NO, I KNOW, BUT I'M, I'M JUST THINKING OF WHAT GOES THAT'S A WHOLE BOOK RIGHT THERE.
SO WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY IT WILL BE DOUBLE SIDED.
BUT I'M ALSO TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE PRESENTING THE MINUTES ON THE WEBSITE MM-HMM
I THEN, WHEN I RECEIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE TO NOW CUT AND PASTE 20 PAGES ON TO THIS DRAFT THE TRANSCRIPT INTO THE MINUTES MM-HMM
AND THEN EVERY DOCUMENT, WHICH IS ALREADY THERE, ATTACH HAS TO BE UPLOADED.
SO I JUST WANNA GO BACK FOR A SECOND.
SO YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED THESE BOOKS.
SO ARE YOU SAYING NOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA GO FROM 2017? NO, 18 WAS ON THE WEBSITE.
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NOW IT IS 2025.SO WHY ARE WE NOT PUTTING IT IN THE CLOUD? RIGHT.
CAN EXACTLY, BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT'S COSTLY.
I'M JUST CURIOUS TO, AND TIME CONSUMING.
BUT BECAUSE OUR CODE AND LAW, LIKE I SAID, I LOOKED, I LOOKED, I ASKED, AND THEY ALL SAID, YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
YOU CONFIRMED WITH JOE, UM, ABOUT THE LAW, THE LAW PIECE OF IT.
NO, NOT, NO, I'M JUST TALKING WITH THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS AND MY, AND MY ASSOCIATION WITH TOWN CLERKS.
AND THEY ALL SAID, I WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR 28, 18 THROUGH 25 THROUGH 24.
HOWEVER, HOW CAN I HAVE, AND THIS IS JUST ME, AND THIS IS MY OCD 2018, MISSING ALL THE WAY UNTIL T THAT'S, SO THAT'S, SO STAY AT THAT POINT RIGHT THERE.
SO I'M SAYING TO YOU, INSTEAD OF MAKING THESE BOOKS MM-HMM
THAT ARE FROM, THAT ARE ANCIENT, THAT ARE, WE ARE NO LONGER USING BOOKS ANYMORE.
WHY CAN'T WE PUT ALL OF THAT INFORMATION FORMATTED THE SAME WAY YOU WERE FORMATTED IN THE BOOK AND PUT IT IN THE CLOUD WHERE IT'S ONLINE, SO WE CAN ALWAYS RE, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
DIDN'T WE, DIDN'T WE, DIDN'T WE APPROVE MICHAEL FISH? WHAT AM I MISSING? TELL ME.
CAN I MAKE A, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? WAIT, HOLD ON.
SO I, THAT WAS, THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTION.
WHY CAN'T WE GO ONLINE? WHY CAN'T WE PUT ALL THIS ONLINE? YEAH.
I MEAN, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, HONESTLY, AFTER A CERTAIN POINT, A DATE AND TIME, THEY DON'T DO THE BOOKS ANYMORE.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT FOR QUITE A WHILE.
SO, WELL, YOU SKIPPED OVER COUNCILMAN SHEAN.
AND FIRST OF ALL, THE, THE, THE BOOKS I HOPE, HAVE YOU GONE THROUGH TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE BOOKS FROM THE BEGINNING OF TIME YES.
AND THEY ALL, AND THEY'RE ALL THERE.
UH, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE BOOKS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE PRESERVED BECAUSE THEY WERE USING ARCHIVAL PAPER, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
UH, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE USING.
WHEN YOU GET THE COPIES FROM THE STENOGRAPHER, I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT ON ARCHIVAL PAPER.
ARE YOU THEN, UM, COPYING 'EM ONTO ARCHIVAL PAPER BEFORE YOU PUT THEM INTO THE BOOKS? CORRECT.
UM, WE USED TO, UM, HAS MET IN PROBABLY 15 YEARS, MAYBE MORE, UH, HAD A RECORDS ACCESS, UM, A RECORD RECORDS ACCESS COMMITTEE, OR RECORDS.
I EVEN FORGOT THE NAME OF THE GROUP NOW.
BUT IT WAS, IT WAS SOME SOMEBODY THAT, IT WAS A GROUP OF US THAT GOT TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT HOW TO HANDLE ISSUES LIKE THIS.
'CAUSE THIS GETS DOWN TO A LOT OF MINUTIA.
AND I THINK IT IS BEST IF WE REFORM THAT COMMITTEE AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW BEST TO HANDLE THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES.
UM, BUT CAN I ASK A QUESTION FIRST? I'M SORRY.
BECAUSE WE, ALRIGHT, UM, SO WE, WE DON'T, DO WE HAVE COPIES OF MINUTES? EVEN IF THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ENTERING THE BOOK FROM 2018 THROUGH 2024? NO.
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN, UM, WAS TOLD FROM THE ASSOCIATION, UH, THE ASSOCIATION TRIED TO CORRECT IT EARLIER, BUT MY PREDECESSOR TOLD THE ASSOCIATION IT'S ON VIDEO, THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS OR TOWN.
YOU SAID WHAT? UH, WESTCHESTER PUTNAM TOWN CLERK ASSOCIATION.
SAID WHAT? IT'S ON VIDEO SUGGESTION.
AND THAT DOES NOT REPLACE MINUTES.
SO CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? UM, WHY DON'T WE, BECAUSE IT'S A MASSIVE JOB GOING FROM 2018 TO 2024, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE TO TRIPLE YOUR BUDGET.
UH, UM, UM, SO THE QUESTION IS, UM, WHY DON'T YOU, FOR 2018 TO 2024 TAKE LIKE THE AGENDAS OF EACH MEETING AND THEN PUT THE LINK TO, UH, THE VIDEO AND THEN WE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR THAT.
SO THIS WAY, THIS WAY, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE REALLY PERFECT, BUT IT'S AT LEAST MM-HMM
AT LEAST IT'S, YOU KNOW, DOABLE AND THEN RECORD.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE INTERNS OR PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, COULD SORT THROUGH IT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, WE COULD TIGHTEN IT UP AND THEN STARTING, SAY IN 2025, UH, FOUR, THEN 2024 OR 2025, THEN I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALMOST HAVE LIKE A POLICY WHERE AT
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EVERY BOARD MEETING, UH, THE BOARD IS, UM, YOU KNOW, APPROVING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MINUTES.SO YOU COULD GIVE EVERYBODY A COPY OF THE DRAFT MINUTES AND THEN AT THE, AT EACH MEETING WE COULD APPROVE.
IT COULD BE ONE MEETING OR TWO MEETINGS OR THREE MEETINGS, WHATEVER YOU GIVE US.
AND THEN WE'LL SORT OF GET INTO A ROUTINE.
AND THEN IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, IT WILL JUST BE LIKE SECOND NATURE, YOU KNOW, EVERY MEETING, THE PART OF THE AGENDA IS APPROVING OF THESE MINUTES.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MOST COMMUNITIES DO.
BUT, UM, THE CLERK HAS HAD TO PAY, PLAY
YOU'RE ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHEN YOU WERE CLERK, BUT WE COULD, WE COULD CATCH UP, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME, BUT IT'S A MASSIVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A OVERWHELMING JOB.
UM, JUST JUST FOR CLARITY, SO THAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO PUT THE AGENDA ON AND THEN APPEND THE VIDEO, BUT IF, IF THE, UM, ASSOCIATION SAID THAT THE VIDEO DOESN'T SUFFICE.
WILL THAT HAVING THE AGENDA PRECLUDE THE MINUTES? I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE, BUT I SUGGEST WE HAVE A TOWN ATTORNEY THAT CAN GIVE US AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
I I, I'D LIKE TO GIVE, I'D LIKE TO GIVE MY RESPONSE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S NOT FORGET WE HAVE A TIME ATTORNEY, SO LET'S, LET'S WORK THROUGH THAT.
AND I, I RENEW MY SUGGESTION OF PUTTING TOGETHER THIS COMMITTEE THAT, UH, LOOKED INTO THE WHOLE RECORDS ACCESS ISSUES.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA AT THE SAME TIME.
NO, WHAT, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? NO, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
THE CLERK STILL HAS OTHER ITEMS? I WAS ABOUT TO SAY.
YEAH, I STILL ARE THERE FILM PERMITS? FILM PERMITS AND RESOLUTION REGARDING LIBRARY.
WELL, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE LAST MM-HMM
UM, DO WE HAVE TO, UM, PUT THAT MAY HAVE A RESOLUTION TO CREATE THAT COMMITTEE OR CAN WE JUST I THINK WE'RE MANY EXIST.
WE JUST DON'T, I THINK WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, FIGURE OUT OTHER THINGS.
COMMITTEE, IT JUST HASN'T BEEN ACTIVE THE LAST FOR 15 YEARS.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER THAT MADE IT PRECLUDED, INCLUDING THE, UH, THE FORMAT TO CHANGE THE FORMAT.
UM, SO, UH, AT THE, AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILMAN SHEEN, UH, HE HAD REQUESTED THAT WE INCLUDE THE VILLAGES IN WHEN WE ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE OUR FEES FOR FILMING, FILMING PERMITS.
AND AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE JUST HAD A VERY, VERY, VERY LARGE FILMING EVENT AT THE LIBRARY.
AND WE WERE STILL AT OUR REGULAR FILMING
NOT THAT IT COULD HAVE GOTTEN PAST THAT QUICKLY, BUT BASICALLY I CORRECT WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
UH, I SAID THAT WE SHOULD LOOK TO WHAT THE VILLAGES ARE DOING MM-HMM
AND DETERMINING WHAT OUR, OUR PERMIT FEES SHOULD BE.
I DIDN'T SAY WE SHOULD INCLUDE THE VILLAGES.
I MADE IT SEEM LIKE WE'RE GONNA MAKE THEM PART OF OUR FILM PERMIT.
UH, COUNCILMAN SHEEN ASKED ME TO INCLUDE THE VILLAGES PRICING MM-HMM
ON THE, UM, UH, ON MY PROPOSAL.
UM, AND UM, AND THEN WE HAD JUST DID ONE, UH, SAMPLE WHEN WE WERE IN OUR LAST MEETING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REVISIT IT, UM, TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL.
AND I INCLUDED THE FEES, I'M SORRY, UM, INCLUDED THE FEES THAT COUNCILMAN XI AND ED ASKED ME ABOUT THE VILLAGES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THIS PROPOSAL IS THAT ON THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE THE VILLAGES, WHAT THEY CHARGE FOR PRIVATE AND PUBLIC.
UM, WE'RE THE LOWEST OF EVERYONE.
WELL, JUST FOR CLARITY, UM, WE, THE, THE TOWN'S CURRENT FILMING RATE OF $600 PER DAY ON PRIVATE PAR PROPERTY AND 700 PER DAY ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, UM, ARE THESE PER DAY PRICES FOR ALL OF THEM? 5,000, 3000 OR IS THIS THE TOTAL FEE AND THE GREENBERG FEE IS OPEN-ENDED? THESE ARE PER DAY FEES AND SURROUNDING TOWNS, UM, FOR PUBLIC PROPERTY PER DAY.
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PROPERTY, THE CHARGE IS $3,000 PER DAY? CORRECT.I THINK WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR FEES.
UM, AND HE HAD, UH, COUNCILMAN SHEEN HAD ASKED TO INCLUDE THE VILLAGES AND, UH, LEY BEING THE ARDSLEY AND HASTINGS ON HIGH, UM, ON HUDSON.
BEING THE HIGHEST AT $5,000 PER DAY FOR PRIVATE AND 5,000 PER DAY FOR PUBLIC.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU RECOMMEND? WHERE'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? UH, IN ON, UH, FOUR, NUMBER FOUR, DECEMBER FOUR, PROPOSED FEE ADJUSTMENT.
UM, OF COURSE 1200 ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, 1400 ON PUBLIC PROPERTY AND STUDENTS AND NON-FOR-PROFITS STAY AT, UM, I KNOW STUDENTS ARE MAYBE $25 A DAY AT THE MOST.
AND, UM, AND THE, UH, WE WANNA KEEP EVERYONE ELSE AT THE SAME RATE.
SO WE'RE LITERALLY JUST DOUBLING OUR FEE.
I DON'T THINK WE COULD DO MORE
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, FILM COMPANIES, STUDENT FILMS, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING.
BUT FILM COMPANIES HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO SPEND.
WHY SHOULDN'T THEY BE SPENDING IT IN GREENBURG? WE KNOW
I I THINK WE SHOULD GO MORE ALSO.
WELL, BECAUSE BASICALLY WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT EAST CHESTER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECTURE AND YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING THE PLAN, WE HAVE MORE TO OFFER, RIGHT? WE DO.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH WHAT EAST CHESTER'S DOING.
WELL, CAN I ASK ONE MORE? WHY EAST CHESTER? 'CAUSE IT'S SORT OF THE MIDDLE.
UM, QUESTION OR MOUNT PLEASANT.
FOR THOSE MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE HIGHER FEES, HOW MANY TIMES ARE THEY APPROACHED TO FILM VERSUS HOW MANY TIMES AT THE LOWER RATE? ONE WOULD THINK JUST LIKE ANYONE, UM, GETTING SOMETHING FOR LESS MONEY.
THEY'RE GOING FOR, BUT I'M NOT SUGGESTING, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE NOT RAISE THE FEES, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YEAH, SHE'S TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO SAY IS HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GOING TO EACH OF THE MUNICIPALITIES.
HASTINGS GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND THEY'RE VERY HIGH BASED ON THE COST OF THE, THE DAY.
BUT WE KNOW SOME OF IT JUST FROM EXPERIENCE.
'CAUSE HASTINGS GETS A LOT OF FILM TRAFFIC AND THEY $5,000 FOR EACH, THEY GET AT $5,000 EACH.
IF THEY WANT, WHEN THEY WENT TO THE LIBRARY, THEY LIKE THE LOOK OF THE LIBRARY.
SO THEY, THEY, IT WASN'T THE FEE, IT WAS BASICALLY THAT'S, THAT IS SOME OF IT.
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS FACTORED INTO THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE AND WE ARE ALSO MAKING A DECISION.
UM, SO IT JUST WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW.
BUT I THINK I COMMEND YOU, MADAM CLERK, FOR MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION AND DOING THE RESEARCH THAT YOU'VE DONE.
SO FULL DISCLOSURE, CLOSURE, CLOSURE.
UH, THIS WAS DEFINITELY WITH THE ASSISTANCE AND, UH, LEAD OF MY DEPUTY.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP THAT THEY YEAH, WHAT'S THEN OUR, SO WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO KNOW? UM, WE HAVE TO APPROVE SOMETHING.
SO, UM, AS LONG AS YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, THAT IT IS OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROPOSAL, THEN I WILL PRESENT A, UH, RESOLUTION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
COULD WE DO THE 2,500? WELL, SO NO, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT, MAYBE WE HAVE A DISCUSS.
WE HAVEN'T AGREED ON WHAT THE AMOUNTS SHOULD BE, BUT COULD WE, WELL, YEAH.
SO WE CAN'T, LET'S, LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT THIS IS A GOOD EDUCATIONAL EFFORT.
AND SO ARE WE GONNA DISCUSS THAT NOW? HUH? CAN WE JUST DISCUSS IT NOW? OR DO WE, WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO KNOW? WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION I ASKED.
WELL, SO THEN YOU'RE ASKING SOME SENSE, RIGHT? SO THEN YOU, YOU WANT THE CLERK TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON TRAFFIC, ON, ON, ON, JUST TO GET A SENSE FREQUENCY.
I WOULD, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY SINCE MUCH OF IT GOES THROUGH THE COUNTY THAT, UM, THE THEISM OFFICE OF TOURISM, THAT THEY COULD BE VERY HELPFUL AND IT WOULDN'T BE TOO MUCH EFFORT.
SO SHOULD WE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK? SO WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO DO THAT? REACH OUT TO THE OFFICE OF TOURISM AND, YES.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA RAISE IT TO 10,000 EACH.
OH, JUST A, A LITTLE PLUG FOR GREENBERG.
UM, THE, UH, FILMING, UH, LOCATION SCOUT SAID IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE WORKING WITH GREENBERG COMPARED TO THE OTHER LOCATIONS THAT THEY HAD TO WORK WITH DURING THIS
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PARTICULAR PROJECT.NO, WE WERE SO NICE BECAUSE WE WERE SO NICE.
WE WERE, WE WERE EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY ACCOMMODATING AND VERY, VERY KIND.
AND I HAVE TO COMMEND OUR LIBRARIAN.
AND SPEAKING OF WHICH, UM, LIBRARY.
IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING? LIBRARY? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UM, THIS IS, UM, THE REQUEST AND THIS IS THE CERTIFICATE OF LIABILITY INSURANCE.
AND THIS IS JUST, AND YOU, I ALSO SENT THAT TO YOU, UM, COUNCILMAN SHEEN.
YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT IN YOUR EMAIL.
UM, AND THERE ARE TWO PAGES EACH.
YEAH, JUST TWO PAGES BACK IN FRONT.
SO THE LIBRARY GUILD HAS ASKED TO SERVE, UH, WINE AND BEER AT THE, THEIR FUNDRAISER.
SO BECAUSE, AND I APOLOGIZE, I DID NOT CALL YOUR OFFICE MR. DANKA AND MR. PARLIAMENTARIAN.
UM, BECAUSE THE CODE, UM, STATES THAT IT IS UP TO THE TOWN CLERK, UM, TO ISSUE, UM, A PERMIT TO SERVE.
HOWEVER, THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE LIBRARY STATE THAT IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UM, UH, JUST BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT, UM, IF WE NEED TO DO A RESOLUTION OR WHETHER IT'S JUST LIKE SURE.
YOU KNOW, BUT THIS A ONE TIME REQUEST.
HAVE WE DONE IT BEFORE? UH, YES, BUT WE CANNOT FIND THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION.
I REMEMBER, UH, WE VOTED ON SOMETHING ABOUT A YEAR AGO FOR THE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE ALLOWED WINE TO SERVE BEER AND WINE AT THE LIBRARY GUILD EVENT.
UH, IT WAS ALSO THE NATURE CENTER.
WE'VE ALLOWED THEM TO, UH, HAVE FUNDRAISERS WITH WINE AND BEER AT THE, AT THE NATURE CENTER ITSELF.
I KNOW WE'VE TAKEN THIS UP A FEW TIMES.
MY RECOLLECTION THAT FOR THE LIBRARY, WE DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO DO IT.
THEY HAD TO HIRE A CATER SERVICE WHO WOULD THEN HAVE A LICENSE TO SELL IT THEMSELVES, UH, TO TAKE THE LIABILITY OFF THE DOWN.
AND THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WHEN I SERVED IN THE LIBRARY, GIL, I REMEMBERED THAT THAT IS WHY I'M BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
JUST WANNA POINT OUT, THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY IN OUR CODE ITSELF.
SO, UH, AGAIN, SO BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT OH YEAH.
THEN WE SHOULD, I THINK PAST PRACTICE, I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP PAST PRACTICE THAT THEY SHOULD HIRE A CATERING TO DO.
LET, LET'S MAKE SURE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
AND, UM, YOU DON'T BELIEVE, YOU DON'T REMEMBER WHAT I WAS THERE.
AND PAST PRACTICE DOESN'T MAKE GOOD PRACTICE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DID WHEN I WAS ON THE LIBRARY GUILDS.
YEAH, WE'RE READY FOR THE AGENDA REVIEW PRESENTATIONS THIS WEEK.
AND DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THE PRESENTATION IS REGARDING RECYCLING? OH, UH, PLASTIC JEWELRY.
WHAT, WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE ONLY FIVE MINUTES.
SO, AND SHE BASICALLY, UH, UM, IS A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT FROM, UH, HASTINGS.
AND, UM, SHE BASICALLY, UM, STARTED HER OWN LIKE NOT-FOR-PROFIT EFFORT TURNING, UM, UH, PLASTIC CAPS INTO JEWELRY.
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS SORT OF INTERESTING.
UM, SO IT'S JUST A, A FEW MINUTES.
SO IT WOULD BE IS A DEMONSTRATION OR IS IT A POWERPOINT? I WAS JUST SAYING, YEAH, IT IS A VERY, I SAID SHE SHOULD SPEAK FOR FIVE MINUTES AND THEN I WANTED TO GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF A OKAY.
SO YOU DOING WITH, ARE WE ASKING THE SAME QUESTION? NO, I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WHENEVER THERE'S A PRESENTATION OF ANY KIND, CAN YOU JUST LIKE, SEND THAT AS PART, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN HOLLY SENDS THE AGENDA AROUND, JUST ADD THAT, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS.
JUST DEFINE IT SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND SO WHAT'S THE NONPROFIT? AND BEING CLEAR WITH THE PRESENTER
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ON HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE TO MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION OKAY.BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY GO ON VERY LONG HERE.
NOW I GOT AN A TEXT FROM GEORGE LATIMER.
IS THAT GONNA BE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN HOUR? IS IT GONNA BE FIVE MINUTES, 10 MINUTES? NO, THIS IS MORE LIKE A, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT A TOWN HALL? NO, IT'S A TOWN HALL.
I JUST WANT TO LET YOU, IT'LL BE MORE THAN HELLO HERE.
YOU SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PUBLIC.
THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON CONGRESS.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PUBLICIZED.
BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE EXTENSIVELY PUBLICIZED BEFORE.
OR DO YOU WANT IT, IT, IT, IT'S, WE CAN PUT IT IN THE AGENDA, BUT THAT'S FINE.
IT HAS TO PUT IT CLEAR WHAT IT IS TOLD.
HE WANTS TO UPDATE, UPDATE WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST FOUR MONTHS THAT HE'S BEEN ELECTED.
WELL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM TELLING US WHAT'S GOING ON IN A LISTENING TOUR.
A LISTENING TOUR MEANS HE WANTS TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC WHAT, WHAT IS GOING ON.
WE'RE THE LISTENERS? WELL, YEAH.
SO YOU COULD DEFINE WHOEVER YOU WANNA DEFINE IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE LISTENING.
HE TALKING TO HER, HE'S GOING BE MAKING, HE SUPPOSED TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING FOR THE, HOWEVER Y'ALL WANNA DEFINE IT, BUT IT'S NOT A, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, AN UPDATE.
HE'S A PRESENTING, AN UPDATE FOR US TO LISTEN TO TOWN BOARD.
HE'S, HE'S AROUND THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES AND NOW WE ARE ON HIS, WE'RE ON HIS SCHEDULE.
THIS IS NO, BUT I'M NOT, THIS NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.
NO, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
DOING SOME SORT OF A TOWN HALL.
I'LL JUST LEAVE IT ALONE AND LET THE AGENDA.
IT WILL BE PEOPLE WHO GET THE AGENDA.
WE'LL SEE IT AND I WON'T NO, YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO ME.
YOU SAID NO YOU DIDN'T BECAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID? I DID.
SO THE, SO THE NONPROFIT THAT MS. LEE IS GOING TO WOULD NONPROFIT IS THAT SHE DONATE TO, SHE DON'T SEE, DON'T, DON'T DONATES, UH, THE JEWELRY TO THE PROFITS TO A CHARITY.
I, I FORGOT THE EXACT CHARITY, BUT I, I HAVE IT LISTED.
I HAD HER ON MY CABLE PROGRAM AND SHE'S REALLY IMPRESSIVE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING O OCEAN CLEANUP.
I SEE THAT YOU HAD POSTED PREVIOUSLY.
YOU KNOW, SORT OF INTERESTING BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU THINK THAT YOU, WHEN WE HIGHLIGHT A STUDENT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPACT.
AND TODAY I GOT AN EMAIL, I SENT IT TO LISA FROM, UM, A STUDENT, UM, IN 11TH IN HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, A PSA WHEN HE WAS IN FOURTH GRADE IN EDGEMONT, UM, AT SEALY SCHOOL.
AND WHAT TO DO WHEN YOU THROW OUT GAR, NOT TO THROW OUT GARBAGE ON THE FLOOR.
NOW HE WANTS TO BE AN INTERN AND HE WANTS TO, UH, GO INTO, UH, POLITICS.
BUT YOU NEVER REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, DOING A PSA OR BEING RECOGNIZED AT A TOWN BOARD MEETING REALLY COULD, IT'S A SPRINGBOARD FOR SOME LIFE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BET ME, AND I'M NOT A BETTING PERSON, BUT WOULD YOU LIKE TO BET ME THAT, THAT, UH, TURNING PLASTICS INTO JEWELRY IS NOT GONNA BE FIVE MINUTES.
IT HAS TO BE UNDER FIVE MINUTES.
FIVE, FOUR MINUTES AND 59 SECONDS.
THAT'S NOT, WELL, LISA'S GONNA PUT ON THE CLOCK.
IT'S ONLY GONNA EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I'LL SAY IT'S, IT'S FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION, PLEASE.
SO HOW MUCH DO YOU, HOW MUCH DO YOU WANNA BET
OH, WAIT, WHAT HE'S MISSING? WE'VE HAD ONE OF YOUR FIVE MINUTES AND THEN NOW CAME THE POWERPOINT SLIDES AND THEN CAME OUT OTHER PEOPLE STUDENT.
SO, OH, HE'S, SO FOR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADD, WE ADD BLAKE FEINSTEIN.
WELL, I DO NOT HAVE CONFIRMATION THAT HE COMPLETED SEXUAL HARASSMENT, SO THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.
THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE, THAT'S WHY HE'S DONE THERE.
EVERYONE ON THERE SO WE CAN PUT HIM ON THE NEXT MEETING.
HE DID ATTEND THE MEETING YESTERDAY AND DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.
PETER, WHAT? PETER ASKED, DID WE NEED TO DO WITH PETER AS WELL? HUH? WHAT? I'M SORRY.
YEAH, THERE WAS ANOTHER APPOINTED.
DID THEY NOT COMPLETE THEIR STUFF? I DON'T RECALL RIGHT NOW.
DO DO YOU REMEMBER THE LAST NAME? BLY WASN'T BLY.
HE'S ON THE ZONING BOARD, I THINK.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST NAME.
I'M LOOKING FOR THE NAME BY THE NAME OF PETER DIRECTORY FOR ALL
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GREENBERG RESIDENTS WITH THE RESIDENT.AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE THAT DONE IN ABOUT THREE MINUTES.
WHICH, UM, WHICH BOARD WAS HE BEING? UH, I'LL I'LL IT UP.
TB TWO USED TO BE TB ONE AND TB ONE USED TO BE TB TWO, BUT WE REVERSED IT KNOWING THAT THE, UH, THE TAXATION THING WE CAN'T VOTE ON SINCE, RIGHT.
UM, APPARENTLY THE VILLAGES DID NOT PASS THE PROVISION THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU LIVE IN A, A BUDDING MISS VALLEY, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY ALL DID, UH, APPARENTLY NONE OF 'EM DID.
WE HAVE, WE WILL MAKE OUR LAW CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
BUT NOW WE'RE GONNA MISS THE MAY 1ST DEADLINE.
THEY'LL STILL GET THE EXEMPTION.
IT'S JUST WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT IN THE PROVISIONS OR, WE'LL, VERY FRUSTRATING.
SO, JOE, WHY WOULD THEY STILL GET THE EX EXEMPTION IF IT, IF IT'S NOT DONE BY MAY 1ST? BECAUSE THE EXEMPTION ALREADY EXISTS IN OUR TOWN CODE.
THIS WAS AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE CHAPTER.
SO THEY WILL STILL BE ALLOWED TO GET AN EXEMPTION AS LONG AS THEY PUT IN THEIR APPLICATION BY THE MAY 1ST TAXABLE STATUS DATE.
AND THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE FINDS IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW.
HOWEVER, THE NEW LAW WOULD'VE ADDED SEVERAL MORE PROVISIONS, INCLUDING A 10%, UH, SERVICE REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS NOW REVIEW THIS YEAR.
SO IT'D BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT ON THE BOOKS AND HAVE IT IN EFFECT NEXT YEAR.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE WON'T MEET THE MAY 1ST DATE AT THIS TIME.
SO IN TERMS OF, UH, THE BENEFITS TO THE FIREFIGHTERS, ARE THEY, THEY'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING.
THEY'RE, THE LAW IS GONNA BE MORE TRUTH.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYONE WHO HAS APPLIED IN THE PAST WILL NOW BE KNOCKED OUT BECAUSE OF THE INABILITY TO PASS IT BY MAY 1ST.
BUT I DON'T KNOW EVERY SINGLE PERSON'S INSTANCE, SO I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE OF THAT.
BUT IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IF YOU, UH, PUT IN AN APPLICATION IN THE PAST AND WERE GRANTED AN EXEMPTION, YOU'D BE ALLOWED TO DO SO THIS TIME AS WELL.
AS LONG AS YOUR DEPARTMENT SAYS YOU'RE AN ACTIVE MEMBER, WHAT IF I AND MEET ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
WHAT IF YOU'RE A NEW VOLUNTEER? WE ARE, WE BASICALLY BY NOT ENACTING SOMETHING, ARE WE YOU STILL NEEDED AT LEAST TWO YEARS.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT IF SOMEBODY HAS LIKE TWO YEAR OVER THE TWO YEARS.
THEY'VE NEVER GOTTEN, THEY'VE NEVER GOTTEN, THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO GET IT.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE COULD BE A SERVICE MEMBER BETWEEN TWO AND FIVE YEARS AND NOT GET THE EXEMPTION THIS UPCOMING YEAR.
SO THEN DOES, BY HOLDING THIS OVER, IS THIS SORT OF A, YOU KNOW, CREATING, WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
THIS IS, THIS IS, IT'S DONE GIVEN MONEY INFORMATION.
AND NOW THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S DETRIMENTAL THAT WE WON'T HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE BY MAY 1ST.
I KEPT ASKING OVER AND OVER AGAIN COULD WE SEE THE ACTUAL LAWS THAT THE VILLAGE HAS PASSED.
WE KEPT SAYING WE'RE GONNA GET IT.
JOE THEN REACHED OUT AND GOT 'EM AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE NEIGHBORING, UM, UH, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULD LIVING IN LEAVING IN THE INCORPORATED AREA AND IF LIVING IN ELMSFORD AND VOLUNTEERING IN THE INCORPORATED AREA, UH, THEY WILL NOT BE GETTING A BREAK FROM ELFORD.
AND I'M JUST PICKING ELMSFORD.
BUT IT COULD BE ANY OF, CAN I JUST ASK, YOU KNOW, ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UM, IF, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REASONS AND IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ADOPT IT BY TIME, BY MAY 1ST AND SAY THERE'S FIVE OR SIX PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GONNA GET THE EXEMPTIONS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO ADOPT IT IN A TIMELY MATTER.
COULD WE ASK THE STATE LEGISLATURE, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY PASS THESE HOME RULE MESSAGES TO PASS A HOME RULE MESSAGE THAT WOULD ENABLE US TO, UH, AWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFITS RETROACTIVELY.
UH, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT IF WE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO ADOPT A LAW AND RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T ADOPT A LAW AND SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE HURT BECAUSE RIGHT.
UH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A, A FAILURE TO DO IT IN SAY A TIMELY MANNER.
AND I'M NOT BLAMING ANYBODY, BUT BECAUSE IT'S, UM,
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YOU KNOW, THIS IS SORT OF A TECHNICALITY.UH, WE DON'T WANT TO REALLY HURT PEOPLE WHO ARE VOLUNTEERING.
AND IF WE SAY, LISTEN, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR SPECIAL LEGISLATION FROM ALBANY, WE'LL MAKE IT RETROACTIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MISSING OUT THIS YEAR, THEY'LL STILL GET IT AND THEN NOBODY WILL CARE.
BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE A HARD SELL BECAUSE THIS IS A LOCAL LAW OPTION THAT'S BEEN IN EFFECT FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS ALREADY.
SO TYPICALLY WHEN THERE IS A LOCAL LAW OPTION, THEY GIVE A DEADLINE AND THEY STICK TO THAT DEADLINE.
BUT THE STATE OF COURSE ASK THE STATE LEGISLATURE FREQUENTLY, THEY'LL DO LIKE BILLS FOR ONE PERSON OR FIVE PEOPLE, OR 10 PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M JUST SAYING, WE COULD, IF IT COMES UP, THEN WE COULD JUST SAY WE'RE GONNA REASK FOR IT.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TRY.
IT WE TRY, YOU KNOW, THEY DID THE THING FOR THE TRY.
THIS IS EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE TRIED TO TRY TO DO THIS.
WE GOT MISINFORMATION, WE ACTED ON IT.
AND UM, AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE RESCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARING, DO THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE REVISED LAW AND MOVE IT SO THAT IT'S OFF OUR PLATE THE END OF MAY, BEGINNING OF JUNE, SO THAT THERE'S NO, UM, WONDERING ARE WE GONNA DO THIS IN THE FUTURE OR NOT? SO LET'S JUST MOVE FORWARD.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY BY THE TIME WE SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, MAY 1ST TAXABLE STATUS DATE HAS PASSED.
UM, IN TERMS OF SCHEDULING THE HEARING FOR THE, THE FLOOD, YOU KNOW, UH, RELIEF.
WAS THAT, DO WE HAVE THAT? NO, BECAUSE THAT LAW IS NOT COMPLETED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE FIREFIGHTER LAW AND THAT THAT'S NEXT IN LINE.
I HAVE HAD A PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION WITH THE ASSESSOR, UM, BUT WE ARE PUTTING THAT IN FINAL FORMAT TO GET TO THE BOARD.
SO I, I THINK IT WAS ONLY DELAYED THOUGH.
PAUL SU EXCUSE ME, SUPERVISOR, JUST ONE MEETING THAT'LL BE NOTICED NEXT TIME FOR MAY HEARING.
BUT JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THERE, IT WAS A CONFUSION BECAUSE THE VILLAGES WERE VOTING ON ONE ASPECT OF THIS TAX EXEMPTION LAW FOR FIRE, YOU KNOW, FOR FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND WE WERE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT ASPECT OF IT AND IT WAS UNCLEAR THAT THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS TO LOOK AT.
SO THAT'S WHERE, YEAH, THE VILLAGES WERE VOTING ON THE TWO TO FIVE YEAR SERVICE.
WE'D ALREADY HAVE THAT IN OUR, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE, THE ABUTTING MUNICIPALITIES.
WE WERE LOOKING AT THE BUDDING MUNICIPALITIES.
'CAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE VILLAGE VILLAGE LAW ALREADY.
THAT THEY WERE PASSING THEM ONE BY ONE BY ONE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS STANDING OFF.
BUT I'M SAYING THE VILLAGES WERE, WERE ACTUALLY WORKING ON AN ASPECT OF THIS EXEMPTION THAT WAS DIFFERENT AND IT WAS UNKNOWN TO ANY OF US THAT THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO THIS.
AND SO THERE WERE, THERE WERE SOME MISUNDERSTANDING YES.
ALONG THE LINE IN WHICH WE, THAT WHAT, UM, WAS UNDERSTOOD BY THE CONVEYORS OF THE INFORMATION WAS THAT THE, THE VILLAGES WERE PASSING A LAW AND I THINK MAYBE AN ASSUMPTION WAS MADE THAT IT INCLUDED THE PROVISION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT IT DID NOT.
AND SO, BUT, BUT IN FUTURE, AS YOU SAID, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT COPIES OF THE LAW.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS GONE ON SIX WEEKS NOW.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THE LAWS FROM THE VILLAGE.
WE KEPT GETTING TOLD THAT IT INCLUDED THE NEIGHBORING EXEMPTION, WHICH IS AN OPTION.
AND I, I WAS THE ONE THAT FOUND IT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT LOOKING SOMETHING UP AND UP CAME A, UH, FORM FROM THE NEW YORK STATE THAT SAID THAT IT WAS AN OPTION AND IT WASN'T.
SO THAT, THAT THEN I GAVE THAT TO OUR TOWN ATTORNEY.
THE TOWN ATTORNEY LOOKED AT IT AND SURE ENOUGH, IT'S AN OPTION AND IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC FROM WHAT THE LEGISLATOR HAS PASSED.
ANYWAY, IT'S UH, IT'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT ONE MORE ITEM.
UM, I ACTUALLY DON'T SEE IT HERE.
WAS THE MUNI STAT PULLED FROM THE AGENDA CO THREE.
THERE WERE ISSUES WITH THE CONTRACT, WHICH I CLARIFIED EARLIER TODAY.
UH, MUNIS STAT HAS ACCEPTED ALL THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
SO I BELIEVE THAT'S READY FOR APPROVAL.
I YOU EXPLAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THAT AND IT DOES HAVE THE TWO PROVISIONS.
IT'S NOW ALL CONTRACTS, UM, HAVE TO HAVE A COPY GO TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
WE CAN'T HAVE CONTRACTS THAT ARE BETWEEN
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A DEPARTMENT HEAD AND SOME OTHER ENTITY THAT JUST DOESN'T APPLY WITHOUT HAVING THE TOWN ATTORNEY WEIGH IN.AND SO ANYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD, IT'S GONNA GET FLAGGED IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A TOWN ATTORNEY AS ONE OF THE NOTICING ENTITIES.
SO LET'S TAKE THE RIGHT TO ME IS THAT, AND THE SECOND IS THAT IT HAS TO CLARIFY WHAT A PARTY IS.
UM, AND, UH, SOME OF THE CONTRACTS HAD AMBIGUITY AS TO WHO ARE THE PARTIES AND NOW THAT'S CLARIFIED.
AND ALSO BOARD HAS, HAS TO PASS A DULY, A SUBSEQUENTLY ADOPTED, UH, DULY ADOPTED, UM, T RESOLUTION.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
UH, SO IS THERE GONNA BE A TOP PAGE TO SHOW THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY? IF IT GETS ON THE AGENDA, IT'S
WE, WE SHOULD, WE NEED TO VIEW WE, BUT WE NEED, HOLLY, YOU, IF I HAVE NOT REVIEWED NEED HOLLY TO, WHENEVER THERE'S A CONTRACT, WE DON'T EXPECT HER TO READ THE CONTRACT, BUT WHENEVER THERE'S A CONTRACT, MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE, SHE'S RECEIVING IT WITH AN AC UM, ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THAT'S DEPARTS THAT IT'S EMBEDDED BY THE DON ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THAT'S WHAT WE JUST WANNA HAVE THAT ON FILE.
I'LL WORK WITH HOLLY TO MAKE THAT PROCESS CLEANER.
COULD YOU GO OVER TO C OH FOUR JOE? OKAY.
SEE, WELL, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE IF THE CONTROLLER WENT OVER THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IF SHE IS AVAILABLE.
I THINK THE IDEA THERE IS THAT WE HAVE MULTI-YEAR PROJECTS, UM, THAT WE HAVE MORE AND MORE MULTI-YEAR PROJECTS AND BUILDING PERMIT FEES ARE PAID UP FRONT.
SO BUILDING PERMIT FEES, FOR EXAMPLE, PAID IN 2025, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN BREAK GROUND UNTIL 2026 AND THEN THEY START BUILDING IN 20, 26, 27, 28 AND 29.
UH, UNLESS WE HAVE TAKEN BUILDING PERMIT FEES AND ENCUMBERED THEM SO THAT THERE WILL BE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THOSE INSPECTIONS IN LATER YEARS, UM, WE ARE REALLY PUTTING A STRAIN ON THOSE LATER YEARS.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE IDEA OF OKAY.
BELIEVE WE DISCUSSED THAT AND I REMEMBER THAT.
THE AMOUNT HAS TO BE DISCUSSED.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE? IY ALL THE ISSUES HAVE WE DISCUSSED, ARE THEY ALL RESOLVED? YES.
UH, PO ONE AND PO TWO, DO WE, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT, UH, OUR REQUESTED CHANGES.
I JUST MENTION ONE OTHER THING BECAUSE I'VE BEEN MEETING, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PEOPLE IN HAR, YOU KNOW, HARTSDALE RELATING.
SO, UM, I MEETING WITH LIKE STEVE GOLDBERG AND REGARDING WHAT EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, I JUST WANT EAST HEART AVENUE, THE BOARD SAID SHOULD KEEP PEOPLE INFORMED OF SOME OF MY THINKING BEFORE I, UM, START PUBLICIZING IN ADVANCE.
SO BASICALLY THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, STORES THAT, THAT ARE VACANT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN HAVING MEETINGS, WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER MEETING ON THE 14TH.
SO WHAT MEETING, WHO ARE YOU MEETING WITH? UH, WITH, UH, MERCHANTS.
THE LANDLORDS? UM, SOME TE SOME RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE APARTMENTS.
UM, BECAUSE THERE REALLY IS A PROBLEM THAT A LOT OF THE STORES ON EAST HEART SALE AVENUE OR ARE, ARE FAILING.
THERE'S MORE VACANCIES AND WE WANT TO BREAK THE CYCLE.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO GO DOWNHILL.
WE WANT TO BASICALLY HAVE A THRIVING BUSINESS.
SO, UM, UH, THE THOUGHTS THAT I HAD AS I SPOKE TO THE HARTSDALE PARKING AUTHORITY AND I SAID, WOULD THEY BE OPEN TO, UM, HAVING FREE PARKING FROM 6:00 PM YOU KNOW, AFTER WHICH IS WHAT SCARSDALE DOES.
AND SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEY WERE NOT RECEPTIVE.
BUT LET ME GIVE YOU THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT I HAVE.
SO I WAS THINKING OF ASKING THE TOWN BOARD TO CONSIDER, UM, HAVING A TEST FOR LIKE ONE YEAR, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ABSORB, YOU KNOW, THE QUES SEA, YOU KNOW, WHY WALK, YOU KNOW, WALK.
WE COULD DO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NUMBERS? YEAH.
IT WAS, UM, WEEKDAYS OR WEEKENDS FOR THE PARK? WELL, YEAH, THE, THE MAXIMUM WOULD BE I THINK $50,000.
WHICH WOULD BE, WHICH? NO, I'M JUST SAYING, WHICH WOULD BE EVERYTHING AND ALL THE PARKING.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE
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I'M, I I'M, I'M GONNA BE HAVING, YOU KNOW, FURTHER MEETINGS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY WANT TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PART OF THE GARAGE AND IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MUCH, MUCH LESS, UH, OR WE COULD SAY PIPELINE ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MUCH LESS.UM, BUT THEN I, I SPOKE TO BARBARA PRIMAN, YOU KNOW, FROM HASTINGS, AND I REALLY FEEL WHAT THE TOWN NEEDS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOMEBODY TO HELP ORGANIZE LIKE EVENTS DOWNTOWN ADVOCATE LIKE HASTINGS MM-HMM
HASTINGS, THEY HAVE LIKE ONCE A MONTH, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC.
SO, UM, SO, UM, I SPOKE TO HER YESTERDAY AND SHE SAID SHE'S GONNA COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL.
UM, UH, INSTEAD OF HER NORMAL $5,000 AN HOUR RATE, IT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST $4,900, $4,850 DISCOUNT FOR, IS SHE MAKING A FILM? NO, NO, NO.
I'M SAYING IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SHE'S GONNA COME UP WITH A, A PLAN.
YOU KNOW, WE MAY WANT TO JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SHE'S LIKE THE BEST THAT I'VE SEEN.
UM, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS I'M GONNA BE MEETING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THE NEW CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
UM, WHEN IS THAT? 'CAUSE I SENT YOU AN EMAIL TODAY WHEN IT IS THAT, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE FOURTH THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE 6:00 PM SIX 6:00 PM WHO'S LEADING IT? KRISTA, WITH INFORMATION CHAMBER WITH TRUDY.
KRISTA'S BEEN WORKING ON NEED MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR IT.
SO YEAH, IF YOU WANT NOTHING ABOUT IT.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST SEND AN INFORMATION WHEN IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT I, WHAT I WAS SORT OF THINKING OF DOING IS REACHING OUT.
JUST BE ONE QUESTION BEFORE YOU GO TO THAT.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARKING AUTHORITY.
SO WHEN YOU PROPOSED FREE PARKING AFTER SIX O'CLOCK, WAS THAT FOR EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK? WAS THAT JUST FOR THE WEEKENDS? DID YOU, WAS THERE ANY KIND OF BACK AND FORTH? THIS IS, WE THERE'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT IT AND I SAID, OH, I REALLY FEEL THAT IF WE WANT TO REVITALIZE, YOU KNOW, THE AVENUE WE HAVE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE RESTAURANTS TO SURVIVE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, ISSUES, BUT I'M NOT, RIGHT NOW, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, FIRMED UP.
I'M, I'M JUST GONNA ASK IF THERE WAS ANY KIND OF BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, IT WAS JUST IN GENERALITIES, BUT I SORT OF FEEL INSTEAD OF LIKE POINTING FINGERS AND UH, I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF THE TOWN SAYS FINGERS, YOU MEAN POINTING FINGERS? NO, NO, NO.
I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT ME POINTING FINGERS.
NOT I'M JUST YOU, I'M SAYING NO, I'M SAYING IN, I SORT FEEL THAT I'D LIKE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, COULD BE SUCCESSFUL IN HELPING THE AVENUE, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD WANTS TO DO.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF YOU WERE NEGOTIATING ABOUT THE PARKING AT ALL.
YOU SAID YOU HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE PARKING PARTY.
THEY WEREN'T RECEPTIVE TO, WHEN YOU SAY THEY WEREN'T, WHEN YOU SAY THEY WEREN'T RECEPTIVE, WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN? THEY SAID NO, THEY SAID NO.
DID YOU COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WHAT ABOUT IF WE JUST DID LIMITED DAYS? THIS IS WHAT I'M ASKING.
NO, WE, WE, WE, THAT'S END OF THE CONVERSATION.
IT WAS REALLY, NO, BUT WE, OKAY.
SO PAUL, IN THE FUTURE, WAS THERE A COST ANALYSIS? DUNNO HOW MUCH THEY WOULD LOSE BY DOING THAT, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
THEY, THEY DID, THEY, THEY SAID, NO, THIS IS THE COST ANALYSIS.
NO, BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT'S, I ASKED, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A WHAT? I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT I WANT TO MEET WITH A PARK.
I'M MEETING WITH A PARKING AUTHORITY.
I'M MEETING WITH, UM, THE MERCHANTS.
I'M MEETING WITH THE LANDLORDS.
UM, I'M MEETING WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE ON THE STREET AND, AND THE WE'LL MEET WITH THE CHAMBER.
AND THEN I WANT TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL LATER ON IF ANYBODY ON THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN ATTENDING THE MEETINGS MM-HMM
UM, AND HELPING US COME UP WITH A, A PLAN OF ACTION AND A PROPOSAL.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO LET US KNOW WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE.
IT'S GONNA BE, UM, AT, I THINK AT NOON AND IT'S BY ZOOM.
BUT YOU KNOW, ANYBODY I JUST DON'T WANNA BE CRITICIZED FOR.
WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO DOES IT HAVE TO S DATE OF THE MEETING? IT'S KNOWN, IT'S KNOWN AS IT, ITS UNKNOWN 14TH.
YEAH, JUST LIKE WE ARE JUST THROWING OUT SOME IDEAS AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BETTER IDEAS.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE MEETINGS WERE AT NIGHT.
WHAT MEETINGS AT NIGHT? I'M CONFUSED.
THE MEETING, THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE IS GONNA BE MEETING CHAMBER OF COMMERCE MEETING REGULAR MEETINGS ON THURSDAY EVENINGS IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
AND THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.
THIS IS REALLY MORE LIKE A, THIS IS A DIFFERENT MEETING.
YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS, SO HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HE'S DOING SEPARATELY ON HIS OWN.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN HARTSDALE.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S THE MEETING THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ON ZOOM ON THE 14TH.
SO, BUT DON'T WE HAVE A, DON'T WE HAVE A COMMITTEE ALREADY IN PLACE FOR REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN FOUR? IT'S THE FOUR CORNERS.
I WAS JUST THINKING WE ENGAGED WITH THEM AS WELL.
NO, WE'LL WE'LL ENGAGE WITH EVERYBODY THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
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OKAY, WELL, WELL THIS IS YOUR PROJECT, SO, OKAY.I REALLY THINK IT SHOULD INCLUDE COMMISSIONER DUQUE.
HE'S BEEN ATTENDING THE MEETINGS.
AND HE'S BEEN PARTICIPATING WHEN WE COME BACK WITH GOOD.
I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW BEFORE I THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK NO, WE'D JUST LIKE TO SEE THE PROPOSAL.
I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT MAYBE THE PARKSDALE PARKING THERE DISTRICT, PUBLIC PARKING DISTRICT, UM, COULD ENTERTAIN MAYBE ALLOWING FREE PARKING, YOU KNOW, ON THE UPPER DECK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE OTHER THOUGHT THAT I HAVE IS I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE METERS ARE HOW THEY'RE SURVIVING.
YOU KNOW, THEY CAME TO US AND THEY TOLD US, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE IN FINANCIAL ISSUES AND THEY'RE WORKING THEMSELVES OUT OF IT.
IT WOULD BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING DISTRICT COMING TO THE TOWN AND SAYING, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD JUST FOREGO MORTGAGE TAX, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, RIGHT? UM, AND WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, ARE YOU KIDDING
BUT VILLAGE IS OFTEN, LIKE DURING HOLIDAY SEASONS OR WHATEVER, THEY WILL FOREGO PARKING METERS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME OR, OR IN THE EVENING IF THEY HAVE LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANT PODS OUTSIDE ON, THEY'LL, THEY DO DO DIFFERENT THINGS TO HELP WITH THE REVITALIZATION.
THEY JUST HAVE A PARKING, A SEPARATE STANDALONE PARKING DISTRICT.
LIKE WE HAVE NO, THEY DON'T HAVE SEPARATE PARKING DISTRICTS ALL, SO THAT'S THE ISSUE.
I MEAN THEY'RE, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO SKIN THE CAP SOLELY ON THOSE METERS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING IS IF THE METERS ARE OUT, THEY DON'T, AND SO IT'S A SEPARATE ENTITY.
IT'S NOT LIKE THIS, THE TOWN IS ABSORBING WHATEVER THEY'RE LOST.
BUT ALSO THERE'S LIKE, WHEN I GO TO THE PARKING IN A GARAGE, THERE'S A LOT, I KEEP SAYING ALL THESE EMPTY SPACES AND YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I SORT OF THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT WANT TO, THERE MIGHT BE AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT OF, UM, OF ALL THE PARKING SPACES AND THEN WE COULD GET MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE A LOT OF THE MERCHANTS ARE SAYING, OH, THERE'S ALL THESE EMPTY SPOTS.
I MEAN, CAN I, CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WAITING HERE AND WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FINISHED, I GUESS BY AT SIX 50.
AND WE'VE ADDED SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
SO I THAT WE COUNCIL GOOD JOB.
CAN YOU HAVE A MOTION, MOTION MOTION PLEASE? I, I ENJOYED THIS BANTER.
WE COULD HAVE MORE FIGHTING IF YOU WANT.
SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS TO INTERVIEW CANDIDATES FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, ZONING BOARD AND BOARD OF ASSESSMENT REVIEW, AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING PENDING AND CURRENT LITIGATION.