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IN PROGRESS.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, April 21, 2025 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE MONDAY, APRIL 21ST, 2025 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.AND CAN YOU DO THE ROLL CALL CHAIR PERSON DAVIS? HERE.
AND NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. SNAGS IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
OKAY? WE'RE GONNA GO TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM APRIL 2ND, 2025.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? DID YOU WANNA ADD SOMETHING? UH, SURE.
I, I JUST WANTED THE, THE MINUTES TO REFLECT THAT AT THE APRIL 4TH MEETING.
UM, THE BOARD ELECTED ME BY CHAIR APRIL 2ND.
SO, VERY WELL, WE WILL ADD THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
ANY, UH, MICHELLE SECOND? ANYONE SECOND? ANY SECOND? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
ALL OPPOSED? AND THE MINUTES PASS.
DO WE HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? UH, NOTHING THAT DOESN'T RELATE TO A PROJECT THAT'S ALREADY ON.
I DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT I WANNA SPEAK WITH THE BOARD ABOUT, UM, LATER THIS EVENING.
BUT I'LL CIRCULATE THAT DOCUMENT.
WE CAN TALK AFTER REGULAR BUSINESS IS CONCLUDED.
UH, I WANNA MOVE ON TO THE FIRST CASE.
CASE NUMBER PB 2311 COLLINS 19 POUND PINE LANE IN IRVINGTON.
UM, AND BEFORE WE START WITH MR. ANDERSON.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE, IT'S NOT REALLY CORRESPONDENCE, BUT IN YOUR PACKAGES WAS WE TRY AND DO A QUARTERLY CASE LIST SO THAT, PARTICULARLY IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A LONG TIME, AND YOU HAVE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, IN PAPERS EVERYWHERE IN YOUR OFFICE, IN YOUR ATTIC, IN YOUR BASEMENT, IN YOUR LIVING ROOM, THAT, UH, CASES THAT ARE IN RED AND STRICKEN THROUGH YOU NO LONGER NEED TO, YOU CAN RECYCLE THOSE FILES AWAY.
WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY THE MASTER FILE.
UM, SO WE DO THAT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
THE OTHER THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS, UH, WE ARE GONNA PUT TOGETHER AN ARCHIVES PAGE FOR PAST CASES ON THE TOWN WEBSITE THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA WORK ON WITH OUR WEBMASTER, SO THAT MEMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, WANT TO ACCESS OLDER FILES THAT MAYBE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'LL BE AVAILABLE TO SEE THOSE APPROVED DOCUMENTS.
I, I, I GUESS SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, I NOTICED THAT, UH, CENTRAL ANIMAL HOSPITAL, UH, HAD A CASE NUMBER BUT WASN'T ON THE SCHEDULE.
DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHEN THAT MIGHT COME BEFORE US? UH, CENTRAL ANIMAL HOSPITAL, I WILL ASK MR. BRITTON AND REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD.
SO, CASE NUMBER PB 2311 COLLINS, WHICH IS AT 19 PINE LANE PO IRVINGTON, IT'S ON FOR CONSIDERATION OF A DECISION ON A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION, UH, INVOLVING THE CONSTRUCTION OF A PERGOLA, RETAINING WALLS, AND AN EXPANDED DRIVEWAY.
THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES THE INSTALLATION OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS ASSOCIATED WITH NEW IMPERVIOUS AND EXISTING, SOME EXISTING IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING OF A STEEP SLOPED AREA.
TO FURTHER AID IN RUNOFF REDUCTION, THE APPLICANT ON DECEMBER 14TH, 2023, OBTAINED TWO NECESSARY AREA VARIANCES FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS SEEKERS BEEN COMPLETED.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
THE PLANNING BOARD ALSO CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT.
ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS DIRECTED TO THE APPLICANT.
AND MR. ANDERSON'S HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
IT WAS REVIEWED BY TOWN STAFF AND DEEMED ACCEPTABLE AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH TOWN CODE.
UH, AFTER WE HEAR FROM MR. ANDERSON, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE, THEN WE CAN MOVE INTO THE DECISION.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE I LOST CONNECT.
AGAIN, IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S COMPUTER, SO NO PROBLEM.
AND THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL JUST WALK THE BOARD THROUGH THE RESPONSES AND THEN YOUR REVISIONS.
IF YOU COULD JUST QUOTE THE SITE PLAN,
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IT'D PROBABLY EASIER.OH, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
UH, STEVEN ANDERSON FROM GABRIEL PC, LAND SURVEYORS AND ENGINEERS.
UH, WE'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE, UM, AND, UH, WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES, UH, IN THE, THE TOWN HAD MORE QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, WE'VE RUN IT PAST THE TOWN ENGINEER AND HE IS IN AGREEMENT WITH US.
IN FACT, LAST WEEK WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF CORRESPONDENCE BACK AND FORTH TO EACH OTHER.
UM, IT'S A QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS GRADING DONE IN THE REAR YARD, AS YOU CAN SEE.
WE DID A STUDY AS, AS HOW THE GRADING IS.
IT'S ALMOST COMPLETE, IT'S NEAR COMPLETION, BUT THERE'S STILL GRADING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.
UM, BUT WE DID A COMPARISON TO PREVIOUSLY IN THE PAST, AS FAR BACK AS, I THINK IT WAS 2004, THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY GIS UH, SO WE DID A STUDY ON BOTH TYPES OF, OF RUNOFF FROM THAT, FROM THAT SECTION.
SO, UH, THERE WASN'T ANY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE, UH, TOWN ENGINEERS IN AGREEMENT OF THAT.
SO THE OTHER MAJOR CONCERN WAS CONCENTRATED FLOW.
RIGHT? SO WE DID BOUNCE BACK AND FORTH WITH THAT.
AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN BY THE, THE PATIO, THE BRICK PATIO WE HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO PUT A, WHAT WE CALL A LEVEL SPREADER, AN ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE BY NEW YORK STATE, UH, FOR RUNOFF, UH, IT'S TO CREATE, IT'S TO ASSURE SHEET FLOW BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT NOTHING HAS BEEN CONNECTED YET.
WE HAVE A WHOLE SYSTEM PLANNED TO PUT IN TO TAKE OFF RUNOFF.
AND BECAUSE OF THE STOP STOP WORK ORDER, IT IS NOT CONNECTED YET.
AND WE'RE DOING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REDUCTION OF STORM WATER OFF THIS PROPERTY.
AND THE LEVEL SPREADER IS GOING TO BE THERE AS A EXTRA INSURANCE.
UH, LIKE I SAID, JASON COPPOLA HAS REVIEWED IT, HE AGREES.
WE ALSO PLAN ON DOING A TERRACE WALL, WHICH WAS REQUESTED BY THE ZONING BOARD WHO, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUESTED THAT WE DO THAT FOR TERRACING.
AND WHAT, WHAT THAT WILL DO ALSO IS SLOW DOWN THE WATER, BUT WE JUST HAVE NOT INSTALLED ANY OF THIS YET.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN THE MAJOR CONCERN.
UM, SO, AND ALSO WE WISH TO DO MORE HEAVILY GROUND COVER AND LANDSCAPING, WHICH WILL ALSO REDUCE THE, THE OR FLOW.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND TODAY.
CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION FIRST? SURE.
UM, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT NO SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED.
IS IT TRUE THAT THE BRICK PATIO YEAH.
UM, DOES HAVE A CURTAIN DRAIN, BUT IT'S NOT HOOKED UP TO ANYTHING YET? RIGHT.
SO THERE'S A DRAIN THAT WAS INSTALLED, BUT IT'S NOT TIED INTO ANY UNDERGROUND SYSTEM.
AND WE CAN'T GET THERE UNTIL WE HAVE A DECISION AND HOOK IT UP.
AND WE HAVE A, A REALLY GOOD PERCOLATION, RIGHT? SO ANY WATER GOING INTO THAT WILL GENERALLY EMPTY OUT WITHIN 24 HOURS.
UH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT THE SYSTEM IS ALL DESIGNED, BUT IT'S JUST NOT THERE YET UNTIL WE GET IT HOOKED UP.
AND JUST DEFINING THE WORD HOOKUP, YOU MEAN GOING INTO YEAH.
GOING INTO A CULT CALTECH SYSTEM, AND WE'VE DONE BOTH THE FRONT YARD AND THE BACKYARD BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE CAN'T SOLVE EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM, YOU KNOW? BUT WE, WE DO HAVE REALLY GOOD PERCENTAGE OF REDUCTION OF OUR RUNOFF, UH, 16, 17%.
AND THE TOWN ENGINEER HAS REVIEWED IT MULTIPLE TIMES.
IT, IT, SINCE, SINCE THE LAST MEETING.
HE'S REVIEWED IT THREE TIMES AND HE, HE'S GOOD WITH US.
AND IS IT, IS IT TRUE, I SORT OF RECALL A VIDEO OR A PHOTOGRAPH DURING A RAIN EVENT OR, OR SHORTLY AFTER A RAIN EVENT WHERE IT SHOWED THE CURTAIN DRAIN YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHERE, THAT HAS NOWHERE TO OUTLET.
SO YOU SEE HOW THERE'S LIKE A LITTLE LIP ON UNDER THE 30 FEET THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY CAUSED BY THE, THE WATER RUNNING OUT OF THE CURTAIN DRAIN AND, AND CONTINUING ON.
BUT OF COURSE, THERE'S NO FINAL LANDSCAPING, THERE'S NO TERRACING, THERE'S NO CONNECTIONS TO CULT TEXTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ADDED THE LEVEL SPREADER RIGHT.
TO, TO MAKE IT GUARANTEED THAT THERE'LL BE ALWAYS SHEET FLOW THERE.
'CAUSE WHAT IT IS, IS IT'S LIKE
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A LITTLE LIP, RIGHT? AND IT'S A DEAD EVEN, RIGHT.IT WILL BE SET AT A, A DEAD EVEN ELEVATION.
SO WHEN IT HITS THAT, IT WILL COME OVER THE LIP AND IT WILL BE CONCENTRATED.
IT WON'T BE A POINT DISCHARGE.
WE DON'T WANT A POINT DISCHARGE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT WILL DO AND PREVENT IT FROM CAUSING ANY DAMAGE.
AND PLUS ALL THE LANDSCAPING, WE WANT TO GET GOOD GROUND COVER IN THERE AND GOOD LANDSCAPING AND, YOU KNOW, SET THAT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO EROSION.
SO, SO JUST JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION.
I THINK IN OUR LAST MEETING, RIGHT, THE, THE DRAINAGE REPORT, THE QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS, DID YOU, WAS THE, WAS THE, YOU KNOW, NOT WORSE THAN BEFORE BEING COMPARED AGAINST YEAH, WE, THE CURRENT CONDITIONS OR THE CONDITIONS PRIOR TO THE, WE WENT AS FAR BACK TO THE ORIGINAL GIS, WHICH WAS THE COUNTY RECORDS.
SO YOU WENT AND RAN THE NUMBERS TO THAT WENT THE TO RIGHT.
NO IDEA HOW DIFFERENT THE TOPO WAS TO WHAT WAS THERE.
IT, IT'S ON, UH, THE THIRD SHEET.
UH, NO, NO, I KNOW WHAT'S ON THE THIRD SHEET.
BUT THE ACTUAL SITE CONDITIONS PRIOR TO THAT, WELL, WE DID A COMPARISON.
WE, WE TOOK THOSE NUMBERS AND, UH, AND RAN THE CALCULATIONS.
THE HYDRO CA WE USE A, A STANDARD TR 55.
UH, IT'S STATE, IT'S A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM.
AND THE NUMBERS WERE THE SAME.
I'M JUST ASKING IF YOU'VE GOT ANY IDEA HOW CLOSE THE TOPO MAP WAS TO THE CONDITIONS PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT? IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT AT ALL.
NOT TO THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.
TO PRIOR THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE IF WE ASSUME, WAIT, YEAH, BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE'RE DOING A DESIGN TO, TO LOWER THE RUNOFF.
AND WE LOOKED AT IT IN BOTH TYPE CASES.
WHETHER THE, THE YARD WAS NOT TOUCHED.
THAT IS THE TOWN CODE WHERE YOU'RE NOT TO INCREASE THE NET RUNOFF.
AND WE ARE NOT, NOT TO INCREASE THE, I'M SORRY, I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY THE CODE.
NOT TO INCREASE THE NET RUNOFF AGAINST THE, BEFORE THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED.
BECAUSE THE SITE'S BEEN DEVELOPED.
THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IF WE DIDN'T INSTALL EVERYTHING, THAT'S IT.
BUT NOW WE'RE INSTALLING, UH, I'M SORRY, THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
CAN I JUST INTERJECT FOR ONE MINUTE PLEASE? YEAH, YEAH.
SO I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT TIME PERIOD FOR DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE'RE NOT COMPARING IT AGAINST ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT PREDATES THE STORMWATER TRACTOR.
IT NEEDS TO BE AGAINST THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE DOING A, A LARGE NET REDUCTION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE ROOF LEADERS DUMP OUT ON THE GRASS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET THE SYSTEM IN, WE'RE LIKE 16, 17% REDUCTION.
AND THAT 16 TO 17% IS, IS, I THINK THE QUESTION MAY BE YEAH.
WHEN WE TAKE THE 16 OR 17% REDUCTION, IS IT BASED OFF WHAT WE SEE OUT THERE TODAY AND THAT ANALYZING THAT? OR IS IT 16 OR 17% PRIOR TO WHEN SOME OF THE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS IT IN EXAMINING THE BACKYARD? YES.
WELL, WE EXAMINED BOTH WAYS, RIGHT? BOTH.
IT'S A REDUCTION IN BOTH INSTANCES.
SO IT MEETS CODE IN THAT REGARD.
SO JUST, UM, IT'S AGAINST WHAT THE TOPO MAPS IS, WHICH ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT WAS THERE PRIOR TO THE WORKING MAP.
THAT'S WHAT WAS ON THE RECORD OF THE GIS.
I CAN'T GUARANTEE IT THAT THAT'S, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, TOPOGRAPHY AND LANCE SURVEYING IS ALLOWABLE TO BE A FOOT OFF BY STATISTICS.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE STANDARD IN THE INDUSTRY OR THE ENGINEERING OF LANCE SURVEYING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I THINK THE, UH, PROPOSED WALL, THE RETAINING WALLS HAS BEEN ALREADY, WHAT'S THAT? I'M SORRY? THE WALL THAT YOU ARE SHOWING? YEAH.
IS THERE ANY WALLS? THEY'RE ALREADY THERE, RIGHT? UH, NO, THERE'S GONNA BE A NEW, WELL, YOU TALK ABOUT THE WALL THAT'S ON PROPERTY LINE, UH, IN THE BACKYARD.
THAT'S, THAT PROPOSED WAS SUGGESTED BY THE ZONING BOARD TO TERRACE.
SO THIS WALL COMING IN AT AN ANGLE, OH, THAT'S PROPOSED.
AND THAT WAS A REQUEST OF THE ZONING BOARD, ZONING ZONING BOARD TO FURTHER ASSIST WITH SLOWING SURFACE FLOW RUNOFF BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBOR DOWN SLOPE, YOU KNOW, HAS, UM, HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER DURING AND AFTER CERTAIN RAIN EVENTS.
AND THE WHOLE GOAL HERE OF THE VARIOUS BOARDS, THE TOWN ENGINEER, WHILE HAVING THE APPLICANT MEET CODE, IS TO PREVENT THAT IN THE FUTURE
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AND EVEN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED IN THE CODE.THE APPLICANT'S BEEN RECEPTIVE TO IT.
AND YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, AND LIKE MR. ANDERSON SAID, THE TOWN ENGINEER HAS LOOKED AT IT A NUMBER OF TIMES.
AND SO THE, WHAT'S THE BOTTOM ELEVATION AND TOP ELEVATION OF IT'S ONLY, UH, IT'S TWO FOOT SIX INCHES MAX.
AND SO THE WATER DRAINS, WHAT ABOUT STOPS? YEAH, WELL SORT OF, OKAY.
WELL, WHAT WILL HAPPEN, IT WILL GO ALONG THE REAR YARD.
THERE'LL BE LANDSCAPING WHERE YOU SEE THAT, THAT PROPOSED WALL, THERE'LL BE HEAVY LANDSCAPING AND GROUND COVER BETWEEN THAT AND THE FENCE THE FENCE IS IN.
SO ESSENTIALLY WATER WILL COME DOWN, UH, THE SYSTEM SHOULD PICK UP A GOOD BIT OF IT.
UH, THEN IT WILL HIT THE LANDSCAPING BEFORE THE TERRACE WALL.
AND UH, THEN IT WILL COME OVER THE WALL AND THEN WE'LL HIT ANOTHER SECTION OF THE LANDSCAPING.
SO WE'RE PUTTING LANDSCAPING ALL ALONG THAT SLOPE.
SO, AND THAT SLOWS DOWN THE TIME OF CONCENTRATION OF THE RUNOFF.
ALL OF THESE MITIGATION, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, EFFORTS, THE OWNER OF THE HOME, WHETHER THE CURRENT APPLICANT OR A FUTURE OWNER IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE, YOU KNOW, YES.
THOSE ITEMS AND REPLACE THEM IF NECESSARY.
IF THEY'RE NOT FUNCTIONING AND CLEAN THEM OUT, YEAH.
REPLACE LANDSCAPING THAT DIES AND NOT JUST FOR, LIKE, IS THAT TRUE FOR A DEFINED PERIOD OF TIME WITH LANDSCAPING? OR IS IT, WELL, THEY, WE DO HAVE NOTES ON OUR PLAN, YOU KNOW, TO EXAMINE LIKE THERE'S A WATER QUALITY, UH, STRUCTURE THAT WILL GO IN BEFORE THE COAL TEXT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO LEAVES OR SILTS GETTING INTO THE CALTECH SYSTEM.
UH, SO WE PUT NOTES ON THERE, GENERAL NOTES THAT, UH, THEY HAVE TO CHECK IT EVERY, EVERY SEASON.
SO, AND WITH RESPECT TO THE LANDSCAPING, IF, UM, WITH IT BEING ON A PLAN APPROVED BY THE TOWN, IF THE PROJECT'S APPROVED, THEN THE TOWN CAN CALL OUT IF LANDSCAPING FAILS TO SURVIVE, THE APPLICANT WOULD BE IN NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED PLAN AND THE TOWN COULD HAVE THEM REPLACE THE LANDSCAPING.
THE GOAL IS TO KEEP IT ALIVE AND ITS ROOT SYSTEMS TO ESTABLISH AND FURTHER AID AND RUN OFF REDUCTION, BUT IN THE EVENT SOMETHING DOESN'T SURVIVE, WE CAN DEFINITELY, UH, STAFF HAS THAT ABILITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO TONIGHT WE HAVE TO, OR WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE STEEP SLOPE OF PROPOSAL.
AND SO STAFF CIRCULATED A DRAFT DECISION, UM, ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID THAT WAS A LITTLE UNIQUE, UM, IS THAT, AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR. ANDERSON, GIVEN THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT'S ELAPSED, UM, SINCE THIS, SINCE THE INITIAL WORK WAS DONE, THE APPLICANT MADE THE SUBMISSION, IT CAME TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THEN IT WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD, THEN THERE WAS FURTHER REVIEW.
AND I THINK EVERYONE, IF THE PROJECT'S APPROVED, WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD, GET THEIR IMPROVEMENTS COMPLETED, GET EVERYTHING TIED INTO A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
SO STAFF ASKED MR. ANDERSON IF THERE WOULD BE AGREEMENT ON BEHALF OF HIS CLIENTS TO HAVE A CONDENSED APPROVAL PERIOD.
HERE, THE TYPICAL STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IS APPROVED FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS AND THEN CAN GET EXTENSIONS.
SO WE LAID THIS OUT WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPROVAL WOULD BE VALID THROUGH SEPTEMBER 3RD OF THIS YEAR.
SO A VERY SHORTENED PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THAT'S SO THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE IMPROVEMENTS CARRIED OUT.
MR. ANDERSON ASKED IF IT COULD BE TO THE BACK END OF THE SUMMER AND POSSIBLY INTO SEPTEMBER.
WE HAVE A MEETING ON, I BELIEVE SEPTEMBER 2ND.
SO IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR AN EXTENSION BECAUSE SOMETHING HAD NOT BEEN COMPLETED BY THAT POINT, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
BUT THE WHOLE POINT IS SO THAT THE WORK GETS DONE, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. ANDERSON, HIS CLIENTS ARE OKAY WITH THAT.
AND THEY'RE READY TO MOVE INTO THE NEXT STAGE OF THE PROJECT AND SECURE THEIR STORMWATER PERMIT AND THEIR BUILDING PERMIT SO THAT THEY CAN FINISH THIS IN A TIMELY FASHION.
SO, SO IT WOULD BE, UH, CONDITION APPROVAL.
OH, SO THERE, SO IT STATES RIGHT ON PAGE ONE THAT IT'S VALID THROUGH SEPTEMBER 3RD.
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THEN IN TERMS OF CONDITIONS, UM, WE DO HAVE SECTION FOUR ON PAGE FOUR, WHICH ARE THE SITE SPECIFIC CON REQUIREMENTS.AND 4.1 STATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL EROSION CONTROL LANDSCAPING ON THE SOUTHERLY SLOPE AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS LISTED AND PROVIDED BY MR. ANDERSON'S OFFICE.
4.2 STATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL APPROPRIATELY MAINTAIN THE SLOPE, THE LEVEL SPREADER AND LANDSCAPING TO PREVENT EROSION AND CHANNELIZED DISCHARGE OF STORM WATER ACCORDING TO ALL APPLICABLE PROVISIONS IN THE NEW YORK STATE STANDARDS AND SPECIFICATIONS FOR EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROL DATED NOVEMBER, 2016.
OR THE MOST CURRENT VERSION, OR ITS SUCCESSOR.
SO WE HAVE THOSE SPECIFICALLY IN THERE.
UM, THEY'RE REQUIREMENTS ANYWAY, BUT WE WANTED TO LAY THAT OUT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS RELATED TO ANYTHING WE SAID.
IF YOU DO, YOU WOULD COME UP TO THE MIC.
UM, HI DOUG COLLINS HOMEOWNER.
UM, YEAH, JUST WITH THE TIMING DEADLINES AND EVERYTHING, I MEAN, IS THAT SUBJECT TO LIKE GETTING OUR CONTRACTOR OUT? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST IT'S BEEN HARD TO FIND.
WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD'VE USED.
UM, IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY TO GET THEM OUT TO DO THE WORK AND FINISH IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE COMPLETE IT ON TIME AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S MY, UM, SO I THINK FOLLOWING TONIGHT, IF THERE'S A VOTE, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S IN FAVOR MM-HMM
I WOULD REACH OUT TO THAT CONTRACTOR.
WE WOULD HAVE THIS DECISION TO, UM, TODAY'S MONDAY, WHICH IS ODD.
'CAUSE WE USUALLY MEET ON WEDNESDAYS.
I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO.
THEN YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH MR. ANDERSON TO OBTAIN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT FROM THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
SOUNDS LIKE THE TOWN ENGINEER IS PROBABLY READY TO MOVE QUICKLY ON THAT BEING THAT HE'S REVIEWED THE ENTIRE REPORT OVER PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THEN IN THE INTERIM, I'D BE SPEAKING WITH YOUR CONTRACTOR ABOUT LINING THINGS UP.
UM, IF FOR ANY REASON THERE'S ANY SORT OF DELAY, COMMUNICATION WITH OUR OFFICE WILL BE KEY TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO OUR CONTRACTOR.
HE CAN'T GET OUT HERE FOR X PERIOD OF TIME.
JUST TO KEEP THOSE LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN SO THAT I CAN REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD WHAT PROGRESS YOU ARE MAKING.
AND THEN AS YOU'RE HAVING THE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, INSTALLED AND WRAPPING EVERYTHING UP, JUST CONTINUING THE DOCUMENT ALONG THE WAY.
THERE'S GONNA BE INSPECTIONS BY OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
THERE WILL BE INSPECTIONS BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
THERE'LL BE FINAL LANDSCAPING INSPECTIONS DONE BY OUR OFFICE.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IF IF THE JOB'S FINISHED UP, USUALLY LANDSCAPING'S ONE OF THE LAST DAYS.
LEAVE THAT UP TO YOUR TEAM, INCLUDING MR. ANDERSON'S OFFICE AND YOUR CONTRACTOR.
BUT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, AUGUST 1ST AND IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES OUT, IT USUALLY NOT THE BEST TIME TO PLANT.
UM, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, HAVING THAT DONE, MAYBE AS SOON AS THE WEATHER COOLS OFF OR WHAT IRRIGATION METHODS WOULD BE UTILIZED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU PLANT, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN PLANTINGS AND THEM BURN OUT IN TWO WEEKS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING ENOUGH WATER.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD DISCUSS.
BUT I JUST WANNA READ, I'M CINDY COLLINS HOMEOWNER AS WELL, AND WE WANNA GET THIS DONE LIKE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DELAY ANYTHING.
JUST, DOUG AND I ARE NERVOUS BECAUSE IN THE PAST WE HAVE HAD SOME TROUBLE, LIKE WE'RE CALLING THE LANDSCAPE, I MEAN THE LANDSCAPE, THE, OUR CONTRACTOR AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM OUT THERE AND THEY HAVE TONS OF OTHER JOBS.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S CONCERNING ABOUT THE DEADLINE.
BUT LIKE, IT'S OUR GOAL TO GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AS LONG AS YOU'RE COMMUNICATING WITH OUR OFFICE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY SORTS OF DELAYS, I CAN RELAY THAT TO THE BOARD.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE DECISION? IS AMANDA OKAY WITH THIS? UH, MS. MAGNA, SHE'S YES.
ABOUT THE CONDITION, START OF APPROVAL WITH A CONDITION WHICH CONDITION? WELL, THE TIMING.
SHE'S REVIEWED THE, THE DRAFT DOCUMENT.
WE ARE ALLOWED TO SHORTEN AN AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE DID REVIEW THAT AGAINST THE CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAD THE AUTHORITY TO, TO ISSUE A LESSER TIMEFRAME THAN THE TWO YEARS.
THAT YOU CAN HAVE IT RUN CORRECTLY WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.
SO IT'S TWO YEARS OR TO RUN THROUGH WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT OR YOU CAN AMEND IT TO BE SHORTER.
YOU JUST NEED TO STATE THAT IN THE, IN THE DECISION.
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HAVE HERE.I I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT 12 ONE, UM, DOES THE APPLICANT ANTICIPATE THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE PARKING ON SITE? OR WOULD THEY LIKE PARKING LOCATIONS FOR THE CONTRACTOR AND TRADES PEOPLE? YEP.
THERE'S PLENTY OF, THEY USUALLY LIKE MAKE, ARE CREATIVE WITH PARKING ON OUR PROPERTY.
YEAH, THEY WON'T, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT PARK ON, THEY CAN'T PARK ON THERE.
WE'LL USE LIKE NEIGHBORS DRIVE.
SO THE VOTE UP FOR THIS EVENING IS JUST THE ONE HONOR.
CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION? YES.
ON THE FIRST LINE, YOU KNOW THE WORD MAINTAIN, WOULD IT, DO WE NEED TO, OR SHOULD WE CONSIDER ADDING, MAINTAIN, REPAIR AND OR REPLACE? WHICH GOES SORT OF BACK TO THE QUESTION I ASKED ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW THAT MM-HMM
THIS IS WHATEVER HAS TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THESE STORM MANAGEMENT FACILITIES ARE OPERATIONAL AND, AND WORKING.
REPAIRING, REPLACING, YOU KNOW, SO SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO UH, ADD IN THAT LANGUAGE, MAINTAIN, REPAIR AND OR REPLACE AND OR WHAT? SO JUST FOR MY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAINTAINING IT TO MAINTAIN IT IF YOU NEED TO REPAIR IT OR REPLACE? WELL, I GUESS, UH, IF YOU, WHY DOESN'T MAINTAIN ENCOMPASS ALL OF THAT? IF YOU, IF YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO MAINTAIN, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SORT OF FAILURE AND YOU NEED TO REPLACE AND I THINK IT'S JUST MORE CLEAR.
WELL, AND THEN NOT, NOT TO MAKE THIS MORE COMPLICATED, YOU CAN CERTAINLY, UH, REPAIR AND REPLACE THE LANDSCAPING.
YOU CAN'T REPAIR OR REPLACE THE SLOPE ITSELF OR, OR THE LEVEL SPREADER.
SO HOWEVER, HOWEVER WE WRITE THE SENTENCE, WE WOULDN'T WANNA IMPLY THAT IT, IT'S REALLY THE LANDSCAPING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT THE OTHER TWO ITEMS. SO WHAT, YES, WE CAN SAY REPAIR, REPLACE AS APPLICABLE.
SO HOW WOULD YOU MAINTAIN SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T REPAIR OR REPLACE IT? THE MAINTENANCE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CLEAN SOMETHING OUT REGULARLY.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE, MANAGEMENTS HAVE MAINTAINED.
I THINK IT'S, IT TAKES CARE, MAINTAIN TAKES, IT TAKES CARE OF THE, UH, ALL OF THAT.
BECAUSE HOW DO YOU MAINTAIN IF IT'S NOT, UH, FALLING? IF IT'S FALLING APART? RIGHT.
IT'S ONE THAT IS THE LAST ONE.
I, I USUALLY LEAVE THIS TYPE OF LANGUAGE UP TO OUR PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEY.
SHE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT IF WE WANT TO TWEAK IT SLIGHTLY, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD, I'M OKAY WITH IT.
LOOK, I'M SORRY, JUST GIMME ONE SECOND.
BECAUSE HE, HE BROUGHT FROM MY ARM, MAINTAIN, THEY'RE GETTING A STORMWATER, THEY'RE GETTING A STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN AS WELL.
STORM WATER, UM, MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT.
AND THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT HAS THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE IS MAINTAINED.
SO IT MIGHT SATISFY YOUR REQUIREMENTS IN THAT, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
THE WORDING, PARDON? THE, THE STORMWATER, UM, CONTROL PLAN HAS A REQUIREMENT THAT LIKE THE CALEX AND THINGS ARE MAINTAINED MM-HMM
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MIGHT BE IN THAT, I, I THINK, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IF THE, IF THE CALTECH SYSTEM FOR SOME REASON BROKE DOWN YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S IN THE ONLY WAY TO, WELL, I DUNNO WHAT, WHAT THE WAITING IS ON THAT ONE REPLACE EXACTLY.
BUT THAT'S SEPARATE FROM MAINTAINING.
I I, I THINK MAYBE FOR ME THE DISTINCTION DISTINCTION BETWEEN MAINTAINING SOMEONE AND MAINTENANCE ON SOMEONE, I, I CONSIDER THOSE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
TO MAINTAIN SOMETHING MEANS DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO KEEP IT IN THE CONDITION WHERE IT'S WORKING.
SO IT SAYS TO, UM, MAINTAIN THE SLOPE LEVEL SPREADER AND LANDSCAPING TO PREVENT EROSION AND CHANNEL CHANNELIZED DISCHARGE.
SO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN IT, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
WHETHER IT'S REPAIR, REPLACE, STANDBY, AND WATCH IT ALL DAY, WHATEVER THAT TAKES.
MAINTENANCE TO ME MEANS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA GO OUT THERE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, YOU MIGHT CLEAN SOMETHING UP.
SO I WILL POINT OUT THAT TYPICALLY WITH EASEMENT LANGUAGE AND OTHER AGREEMENTS, YOU DO INCLUDE MAINTAIN, REPAIR, REPLACE, UM, ALL THAT LANGUAGE.
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WE HAVE IT READ, LET ME JUST CUT TO THE CHASE.SO IF, UH, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD BE OPEN TO IT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THE APPLICANT SHALL APPROPRIATELY MAINTAIN THE SLOPE LEVEL SPREADER OR MAINTAIN THE SLOPE AND LEVEL SPREADER AND MAINTAIN REPAIR, REPLACE LANDSCAPING.
WELL, I THINK THE LEVEL SPREADER COULD REQUIRE A REPAIR.
I MEAN, IT'S LIKE A CURB ALMOST.
SO IF IT CRACKED OR IT COULD BE YEARS DOWN THE LINE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT JUST, I MEAN, I, I THINK IF WE, IF I THINK AS MS. MCNA SUGGESTED, IF IT READ, THE APPLICANT SHALL APPROPRIATELY MAINTAIN, REPAIR AND OR REPLACE AS APPLICABLE THE SLOPE LEVEL SPREADER AND LANDSCAPING TO PREVENT.
THAT DOES UP, IS THIS, ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED AND THAT'S SPECIFIC TO THIS CASE, BUT STAFF'S REVIEWED IT AND IS COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO CONSIDER THE DECISION WITH THE AMENDED LANGUAGE THAT WOULD HELP US MOVE ALONG.
WE WILL GET THIS SIGNED BY THE COMMISSIONER WITHIN THE NEXT, PROBABLY TOMORROW, IF NOT WEDNESDAY.
GET IT OFF TO YOU ELECTRONICALLY MAIL YOU AN ORIGINAL, BUT YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD.
AND MR. ANDERSON'S WELL AWARE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE TYPE PERMITS THAT ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED SO THAT YOU CAN GET BACK TO IT AND DO IT.
HOW DID YOU CALL IT A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT? YES.
AND WE'RE GOING TO CASE NUMBER PB 25 0 8 MC SUSHI AT TWO 14 EAST HARTSDALE PO.
THEY WE HAVE, I BELIEVE ON ZOOM.
MICHAEL STEIN WITH HUDSON ENGINEERING.
MICHAEL, DO YOU WANT TO, UH, PRESENT THE PROPOSAL? SURE.
AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE THE SHARE SCREEN AVAILABLE AS WELL.
UM, THIS IS FOR, UM, SUSHI AT TWO 14 EAST HARSDALE AVENUE.
UH, WE MADE PLAN, UH, APPLICATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, FOR THE RESTAURANT AS WELL AS A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
UM, CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS EN RICO'S, UH, BAKERY.
AND THE, THE TOTAL SPACES WE HAD GONE THROUGH CALCULATING, WE, WE HAD 11 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, FOR THAT, FOR THAT USE.
UH, WITH THE NEW USE AS THE RESTAURANT, WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND RECALCULATED THE REQUIRED PARKING AND THERE'S TOTAL OF 29 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE REQUIRED.
UM, SO THE SITE IS, UH, AT TWO 14, AGAIN, TWO 14 EAST PARKVILLE AVENUE.
UH, THAT'S THE PROPERTY THERE IMMEDIATELY TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY THAT THERE'S THE TOWN'S EXISTING PARKING GARAGE, WHICH HAS 117 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, UH, INCLUDING FIVE A DA SPACES.
UM, IMMEDIATELY IN THE VICINITY OF THE PROPERTY, THERE'S ON STREET PARKING, UH, FOR A TOTAL OF 35 PARKING SPACES ON, ON THE STREET AS, WHICH INCLUDES THREE A DA PARKING SPACES.
UM, SO WE, WE'VE SUBMITTED EVERYTHING IN.
UH, THIS, THE SPACE IS REALLY, LET'S SEE.
SO THIS IS THE LAYOUT OF THE SPACE.
THE RESTAURANT WILL BE, UM, SEATING UP FRONT AS WELL AS THE, THE KITCHEN IN THE REAR.
UM, ACCESS IS BOTH TO THE REAR AS WELL AS OUT, OUT THE FRONT.
SO YOU'D HAVE ACCESS TO THE PARKING GARAGE AS BOTH AS WELL AS THE ON STREET PARKING.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S REALLY MUCH MORE.
SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.
THE 117 SPACES IN THE PARKING GARAGE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND NOT PERMIT? THAT'S CORRECT.
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I THINK MY QUESTION IS, UM, I'M GLAD I MISSED IT.THE PROOF OF THAT THIS WILL, UM, AFFECT THE OTHER BUSINESSES OR THAT THERE'S NOT OVER PARKING IN THAT AREA ON THE, ON STREET SIDE.
SO THE APPLICANT, UM, PROVIDED INFORMATION AS WE KNOW, EASTDALE AVENUE CAN GET BUSY.
AND I THINK IF ONLY THOSE 35 SPACES WERE THE ONLY THING, UH, SPACES THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO SUPPLY THE BUSINESSES ALONG THE AVENUE, IT'D BE PRETTY TIGHT
UM, THAT'S WHY WE HAD THEM TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE, A PARKING GARAGE TO THE REAR, UH, WHICH WOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO THIS BUILDING AND THIS BUSINESS.
UM, WHILE THEY'RE OVER, OVER WELL OVER 200 SPACES, I THINK, UM, THERE ARE 117 THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND PRETTY READILY AVAILABLE.
UM, OFTENTIMES WE EVEN LOOKED AT AERIALS AND THE PARKING GARAGE IS UNDERUTILIZED A BUNCH.
SO THERE'S CERTAINLY AVAILABILITY.
UM, EN RICO'S WAS A, A POPULAR BAKERY FOR A LONG TIME.
AND SO WHILE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WAS LESS FOR THE BAKERY VERSUS THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT USE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNLIKELY TO RESULT IN, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT WOULD OVERBURDEN WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
SO, SO WE'RE REVIEWING THE MATERIAL.
UM, I GUESS I HAD A MORE SORT OF FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, WHICH WAS, UM, THE TWO ITEMS IDENTIFIED IN THE MEMO FROM DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR GARRITY REGARDING THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.
UH, HAVE THOSE TWO ISSUES BEEN RESOLVED OR WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PLAN OF THE APPLICANT? WE'LL LET MR. STEIN SPEAK TO THAT.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS A RESPONSE.
I ACTUALLY, I, I'M GONNA DEFER TO OUR CLIENT WHO'S ALSO ON, UM, SO I KNOW HE HAD BEEN WORKING ON THAT.
AND JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
ALRIGHT, WHAT'S THE QUESTION THERE? SORRY.
UH, SO THERE WAS A MEMO ISSUED BY THE TOWN'S DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR DATED APRIL 3RD, 2025 THAT YOU RECEIVED A COPY OF IT RELATED TO THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.
AND I BELIEVE YOU DID RESPOND TO THOSE.
UM, FOR, I BELIEVE THE CURRENT SIDE, WE ALREADY HAVE THE FILE ALARM AND THE SECOND ALREADY, SO IT'S STILL ABLE TO USE IT.
AND THE SPRINKLER, UM, WE ARE GONNA BE, UM, UM, MY, WE WE NOT GONNA BE HAVE 60 63 CEILING IN THERE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S REQUIRE, I'M SORRY, UNDER FIFTH.
SO MICHAEL, MR. STEIN, I SHOULD SAY, UH, ARE THE PLANS GOING TO BE UPDATED TO SHOW LESS OR SEATING FOR 50 OR LESS? BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE ADOPTING A PLAN SET AND, UH, WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WAS 63 SEATS.
SO IF IT'S GONNA BE, I THINK THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM, WE CAN UPDATE THAT TO, UM, TO CORRECT IT.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD, COULD BE DONE AHEAD OF ANY PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MATTER? YES, THAT WOULD BE DONE VERY QUICKLY.
WE, I MEAN DONE, I WOULD ADD IT TO MICHAEL.
SO FOR CLARIFICATION, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE 63.
DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING ON THE PARKING SIDE? UH, IT COULD REDUCE DOWN ON THE TOTAL REQUIREMENT BECAUSE OFTENTIMES, UH, WITH PARKING FOR RESTAURANTS, IT'S UM, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE GREATER OF EITHER ONE PER 75 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S USUALLY WHAT THE TRIGGER IS BECAUSE IT'S ONE PER THREE SEATS AND USUALLY THAT RESULTS IN LESS THAN WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO, SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA CHANGE.
THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE WE'D STILL NEED THE 29 SPACES BASED UPON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO, SO, SO THAT RESOLVES THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, UH, IN RESPONSE TO THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PLAN THERE? UH, WE WILL HAVE FIVE ALARM.
WE HAVE A, WE
SO IF THE PLANNING BOARD CHOSE TO CONDITION THAT SPECIFIC TO THIS LANGUAGE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? NO.
SO THE PLANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THOUGH, IN
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TERMS OF SEATING AND ALL OF THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT, SO IT SEEMS LIKE THEY TOOK A SECOND LOOK AT IT.WE DON'T HAVE THE REVISED PLANS YET THAT SHOW 50 OR LESS SEATS, BUT THEY'RE AGREEABLE TO IT.
AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT IN HAND AND REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR PRIOR TO.
DO YOU THINK YOU COULD HAVE THAT IN THIS WEEK, MR. STEIN? THE REVISED PLAN? YES.
'CAUSE WE'D WANT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND OR HIS DEPUTY TO LOOK OVER THE REVISED PLAN AHEAD OF THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING WHERE THIS WOULD BE DISCUSSED.
I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN UPDATED STUDY DONE TO ACCOUNT FOR TRAFFIC GENERATION.
SO I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A LOT OF DATA PROVIDED FOR, UM, PARKING SPACES NEARBY AND YOU KNOW, THE PHOTOS SHOWN USAGE OF THE PUBLIC PARKING LOT.
BUT, UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA IS TO PROVIDE FOR, UH, TRAFFIC GENERATION CRIMINAL USE.
UM, SO WE WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO PROVIDE US WITH THE DATA WHAT THEY ANTICIPATE IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC GENERATION.
AND, AND SO JUST JUST SO I UNDERSTAND PROCESS, WHERE OR, OR IF, UH, HOW WILL THE HARTSDALE CONTEXTUAL REVIEW BOARD FIT INTO THIS PROCESS? I GUESS WILL THERE BE NEW SIGNAGE AND IS THAT SOMETHING THEY REVIEW? OR HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO THEY WOULD REVIEW THE SIGNAGE YES.
AND IF THEY WERE GONNA CHANGE THE FASCIA OF THE BUILDING OR THE AWNING, THAT WOULD ALL BE REVIEWED BY THE HCRC.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PREPARED ANY DOCUMENTATION WHICH WOULD RUN THROUGH COMMISSIONER DUQUE, UH, TO GET ON WITH THE HARD SALE CONTEXTUAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT TO BEGIN PROCESS.
AND IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, WOULD THAT BE BEFORE OUR PUBLIC HEARING OR AFTER, OR IS IT NOT? NOT IT CAN BE EITHER WAY.
YEAH, IT JUST, ONLY THE SIGNAGE PART.
YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING ON THE FACE OF THE BUILDING OR ADDING AN AWNING.
IT'S JUST, UH, THE NEW SIGN IS THAT, YEAH, WE JUST ADD A NEW SIGN AND PROBABLY PUT SOME FLOWER DECORATION AT THE TOP THERE.
NOTHING MUCH GONNA BE CHANGED THERE.
I'M SORRY, I I'M FLIPPING THROUGH THESE PAGES.
CAN YOU, THE RULES ON THE FIRE ALARM AND THE SPRINKLER? WELL, THE SPRINKLER, CAN YOU READ THAT? I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS ON ONE OF THE PAGES.
SO THE MEMO OF APRIL 3RD, 2025 FROM THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR STATES, WITH RESPECT TO THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM THAT THE APPLICANT INCORRECTLY CLASSIFIED THE OCCUPANCY AS A B BUSINESS OCCUPANCY, THE OCCUPANT LOAD PROPOSED IS MORE THAN 50 AND THEREFORE MUST BE CLASSIFIED AS AN A TWO ASSEMBLY OCCUPANCY UNDER TOWN LAW SECTION 100 DASH 13.
ANY EXISTING BUILDING STRUCTURE OR OCCUPANCY, WHICH DOES NOT CONTAIN A SPRINKLER SYSTEM CONFORMING TO NFPA STANDARDS AND WHERE THE USE IS CONVERTED TO AN A OCCUPANCY AS A SPRINKLER SYSTEM SHALL, A SPRINKLER SYSTEM SHALL BE INSTALLED.
UH, A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM MUST BE INSTALLED FOR OCCUPANCY AS A RESTAURANT.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TO, UM, THEY'RE GONNA REVISE THEIR PLANS IT SOUNDS LIKE.
AND WE'LL FORWARD THAT ALONG TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE FOR REVIEW AHEAD OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM, APPLICANT LISTS THAT NO FIRE ALARM IS TO BE INSTALLED UNDER TOWN LAW SECTION 100 DASH 14 D.
ALL BUILDINGS USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES SHALL HAVE SMOKE DETECTORS CONNECTED TO A CENTRAL STATION AS DEFINED BY NFPA 72 AND APPROVED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL.
A COMPLETE AUTOMATIC FIRE FIRE ALARM SYSTEM IS REQUIRED.
THIS SY SYSTEM SHALL CONSIST OF, BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO PULL STATIONS, SMOKE OR HEAT DETECTORS, DUCT DETECTORS, ELEVATOR RECALLS, NOTIFICATION DEVICES.
A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM MUST BE INSTALLED FOR OCCUPANCY.
SO THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE FIRE MARSHAL'S ULTIMATE REVIEW.
DID, DID, DID ENRICO'S HAVE A FIRE SYSTEM OR DID THEY PREDATE? I DO NOT KNOW OFFHAND.
I COULD FIND OUT 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL PURPOSE, SO PRESUMABLY IT WOULD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE APPLICATION? IT'S GOOD TO
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GET A NICE, UH, LITTLE RESTROOM.SO NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY CAN MODIFY THE PLANS, MR. STEIN AND MR. LIN.
UM, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING A QUICK LOOK AT THE INSTITUTE FOR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC GENERATION FOR A, YOU KNOW, SMALLER SIZE SUSHI RESTAURANT OF ROUGHLY 2000 PLUS SQUARE FEET.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CAN SUPPLY INFORMATION ON IN A TIMELY FASHION? YES.
WE'LL WORK TOGETHER THAT TOGETHER.
SO WOULD YOU THINK THAT, UH, BY THE END OF THE WEEK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO RESUBMIT IN RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT AND THE, THE REVISED PLANS? YES.
SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE US ENOUGH TIME TO TRANSMIT THOSE DOCUMENTS AND SIT DOWN WITH, IF NEED BE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR OR THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR SO THAT THEY'RE SATISFIED.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD ALLOW US ENOUGH TIME TO CONSIDER PUTTING THIS ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR NEXT MEETING IF THE BOARD'S IN AGREEMENT.
THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF THE CURVE 'CAUSE WE'RE MEETING TONIGHT, MONDAY, SO WE KIND OF HAVE TWO WEEKS AND TWO DAYS.
UM, AND IF THE APPLICANT GETS THIS BY FRIDAY, WE'LL HAVE IT REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR EARLY NEXT WEEK.
SO IT GOES OUT TO THE PUBLIC WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE NOT YES.
AND IF WE HAVE THE MATERIALS BY FRIDAY, THEN THEY WILL BE UP ON THE WEBSITE FRIDAY.
FOLKS WON'T GET THE NOTICE PROBABLY UNTIL SATURDAY OR MONDAY.
SO THE, THE NOTICE WON'T COME UNTIL A NEW MATERIAL IS ABLE TO BE POSTED.
SO IS EVERYONE IN AGREEMENT ON, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE, BUT IS EVERYONE IN IN AGREEMENT ON THAT? OKAY.
UH, YOU WOULD WANT TO GET THOSE MATERIALS IN BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
UM, COMMUNICATE WITH MATT BRITTON AND MYSELF, UH, WE WILL PROBABLY NEED A FEW HARD COPIES, BUT ALSO AN ELECTRONIC COPY OF THE SUBMISSION WITH RE RELATED TO KIND OF LIKE THE RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS IF WE CAN HAVE A NARRATIVE AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S BEEN REVISED WITH RESPECT TO THE PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, SHRINKING DOWN THE SEATING CHART.
I BELIEVE WE JUST SUBMIT A COPY TO, UM, WHAT IS IT TO THE CALENDAR.
UH, I'LL MAKE SURE, I'LL LET YOU GUYS DOWN ON THAT.
AND, UM, OTHERWISE YOU'LL GET INSTRUCTIONS FROM US LATER THIS WEEK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICING REQUIREMENTS AND THE SIGNAGE THAT, UH, I GUESS MAYBE WOULD GET PUT IN THE WINDOW SINCE THERE'S NO LAWN SPACE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO PLACE THE SIGN.
SO MAYBE WE'LL HAVE YOU PUT IT IN THE FRONT WINDOW.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A, YOU CAN, UH, BE ABLE TO DO THAT? YEAH, IT'S A SIGN THAT WOULD JUST GO IN THE FRONT WINDOW OF THE, THE STORE OR THE FUTURE RESTAURANT PERHAPS.
NEXT IS CASE NUMBER PB 25 0 9 VARDOS NINE 19 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE PL SCARSDALE.
UH, MY NAME'S STEVE CHRISTENSEN WITH BCMY ARCHITECTURE.
AND, UH, WITH HERE FOR LOMBARDO'S, WHICH IS AT, UH, THE, UH, 9 1 9 CENTRAL PARK CALF AND IT'S BASICALLY AN EXISTING RESTAURANT.
WE'RE LOOKING TO DO 103 SEATS.
UH, WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING ON THE PLAN WAS, UH, THE KITCHEN FOR A PIZZA HUT WAS NOT REALLY FUNCTIONING, SO WE ACTUALLY REDUCED IT TO WHAT WAS REQUIRED.
WE CHANGED THE WALKIN BOX AND THE ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE IS STAYING THE EXACT SAME.
SO THE PARKING THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR A PIZZA HUT IS GOING TO STAY THE EXACT SAME FOR OUR PROPOSAL.
AND IT'S A, JUST A CHANGE OF TENANCY.
NO WORK ON THE EXTERIOR ASIDE FROM THE NEW SIGN.
SO THE, THE NEED FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT
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IS BA BASED ON THE ADDITION OF THE 17 SEATS.SO, UH, PIZZA HUT OBTAINED A SPECIAL USE PERMIT IN 2006 FROM THIS BOARD TO OPERATE THE PIZZA HUT RESTAURANT WITH 86 SEATS.
IF THEY WERE JUST PROPOSING 86 SEATS, THEY WOULD NOT BE BACK BEFORE THE BOARD.
BUT, BUT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 17 SEATS.
THEY NEED THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THE BOARD, BUT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT HAS NOT CHANGED.
UH, 'CAUSE IT, IT, AGAIN, MUCH LIKE THE MECADO SUSHI, USUALLY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS WHAT IS DICTATES THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THERE'S NO OTHER ALTERATIONS, MODIFICATIONS, ET CETERA, TO THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WE HAVE THE PLAN WE CAN BRING UP, IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE ZOOM I, I WAS ON AND IT JUST KICKED ME OFF.
NO, WHEN I WAS COMING UP HERE.
WHY? IT'S LIKE IN A PANIC WHEN I CAME UP.
SO WHY DON'T I PULL THAT UP FOR YOU.
AND THEN IF YOU COULD JUST, YOU KNOW SURE.
ENTRIES, EXITS, SEATING, ET CETERA.
UH, SO BASICALLY THE MAIN PARKING AREA IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT PLAN.
UM, ABOVE THIS STORE IS A FULL PARKING GARAGE.
UH, AND EVERY SINGLE TIME I'VE BEEN THERE, THERE'S NEVER REALLY BEEN ANY CARS UP ON THE TOP.
AND IT'S DIRECTLY ABOVE AND RIGHT FROM THIS LOCATION, IT'S THE, AT THE CORNER OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING AND THERE'S A TOWER ON THE ACTUAL, UH, SIDE.
AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN WALK UP THE SIDE AND PARK UP ON THE TOP IF THEY'D LIKE.
SO CAN I GO UP THERE? I'LL POINT TO IT.
YOU CAN TAKE THE MIC WITH YOU IF YOU OKAY.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHERE JOANNE'S WAS OR IT WAS, UM, PIZZA HU DOWN BELOW JOAN'S THERE ON THE TATA.
SO BASICALLY THAT JOAN, THERE IS A TOWER ON THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING AND THE LO BARATOS, WHICH IS PIZZA HUT, GOES ALL THE WAY BACK, GOES STRAIGHT BACK.
OH YEAH, YOU CAN JUST GRAB THIS.
OR DOES IT, ARE YOU STILL NO, THAT'S, OH, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.
IF YOU CAN JUST RESTATE THAT JUST SO THAT THE TOWERS IN THIS LOCATION.
SO THAT'S THE TOWER UP IN THE FRONT.
AND THE, AND THE EXISTING PIZZA HUT, WHICH IS OUR, UH, NEW CHANGE OF TENANT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S UNDERNEATH THIS PARKING LOT PARKING DECK, WHICH IS ON THE UP ABOVE.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT LESLIE WAS ASKING.
IS THAT PARKING DECK ABOVE THAT'S THE JOANNE'S WHAT USED TO BE JOANNE'S, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHEN DID JOANNE'S CLOSE? IS IT OFFICIALLY A'S, IS IT OFFICIALLY CLOSED NOW? OKAY.
SO WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU WENT TO THE SITE AND OBSERVED THAT NO ONE WAS PARKING ON TOP, WAS THAT WITHIN THE PAST THREE WEEKS OR? WE, WE WENT BACK, WE FILED THIS A LONG TIME AGO.
IT'S BEEN FILED WITH THE BUILDING THE BOTTOM AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN JOANNE'S WAS THERE, WHICH I HAD GONE TO, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU'D GET A FAIR AMOUNT OF BUSINESS UP THERE, BUT IN THIS CORNER OF THE LOT ADJACENT TO THE TOWER SURE.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE FLOOR PLAN, I'LL EXPLAIN IT.
I, I THINK THE QUESTION IS THAT, SO YOU ARE PROPOSING THAT THE, YOUR, UH, CUSTOMERS WILL PARK UP THERE, THEY CAN BASICALLY PARK ANYWHERE IN THE LOT THAT THEY'D LIKE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, IT'S THE AMOUNT THAT'S DEDICATED TO THEM.
IT'S JUST FOR THE LOT IN GENERAL.
I WAS JUST STATING IF, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, RE UH, CUSTOMERS THAT CONTINUOUSLY COME BACK, IF THEY'D LIKE TO PARK UP ON THE TOP, YOU CAN PARK UP ON THE TOP.
IT'S A QUICK WALK TO THEIR, UH, TO THAT STORE LOCATION.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SORT OF REFERENCING.
SO IF YOU PARK UP ON TOP, IT'S VERY QUICK TO GET RIGHT INTO THAT, UH, RESTAURANT FROM THE PARKING DECK.
BUT THAT'S, IF, IF THERE IS, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THE, UH, BECAUSE I JUST PRESENTED, SO YOU SAY THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL PARKING REQUIRED.
THERE'S, THERE'S NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF THE PARKING AREA SPACE IS SUFFICIENT.
AND YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT PEOPLE WILL PARK ON THAT CORNER IF THEY THEY HAVE TO.
IT IS, I MEAN, I SORT OF DON'T KNOW WHETHER, WHETHER YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THEY USE OR YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE I'M JUST SAYING
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IT.I'M JUST, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN EXISTING SITUATION.
IT'S, NO, IT IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT UP ON THE TOP THAT, BUT HOW MANY OF THE EXISTING HOME DEPOT, I MEAN THE P HUT CUSTOMERS ARE PARKING THERE, WHICH IS YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE REPLACING RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK ANY OF 'EM ARE
SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MENTIONING THAT? IT'S, IT'S JUST SO THAT YOU, YOU WERE AWARE THAT'S ALL SO THAT THIS WAY THERE'S SO MUCH PARKING IN THE FACILITY, I'M STATING THAT THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL WHOLE BUNCH OF PARKING SPOTS UP ON THE ROOF THAT ARE NOT EVEN BEING USED.
SO PARKING IS NOT AN ISSUE AT ALL FOR THE CENTER.
I THINK IF, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT A LOT OF PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND, UH, THE, THE OWNER OF THE PLACE, OUR OWNER OF THE SHOP CENTER HAS CAME AND THEY, AND, AND THEY HAD A, UH, QUITE A BIT OF DIFFICULTY OF JUSTIFYING A LOT OF THESE EXPANSION BECAUSE, UH, MOST OF THE PEOPLE PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT.
AND I GO QUITE OFTEN TO THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND IT'S, IT'S PARTICULARLY IN FRONT OF THE SHOPRITE, IT'S A NIGHTMARE TO FIND A PARKING SPACE.
IF YOU, IF YOU PULL INTO THE LOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THAT'S WHERE BASICALLY EVERYONE PULLS GOES RIGHT UP TO THE TOP.
OTHERWISE THEY PARK RIGHT IN FRONT.
SO MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT IS THAT YOU ARE NOT MAKING ANYTHING.
THEY ARE NOT, NOT FROM A, FROM A CODE COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT BEYOND, AND I'M NOT THAT'S CORRECT.
TRYING TO PUT WORDS IN THE APPLICANT'S MOUTH, BUT THE WAY STAFF SAW IT IF WAS, IF LOMBARDO'S BECAME THE MOST FAMOUS RESTAURANT IN LOWER WESTCHESTER, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS EXTREMELY BUSY, THERE IS APPROXIMATE PARKING ON THE UPPER DECK IF IT WAS EVER NEEDED.
YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN I KNOW AND I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE FORMER APPLICATIONS WHERE THEY WERE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN USE THE A HUNDRED SPACES ON THE ROOF, UH, FOR ANYTHING BECAUSE IT'S THERE.
AND IN FACT, THE PLANNING BOARD MADE A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME.
BECAUSE THOSE SPACES WEREN'T APPROXIMATE WITHIN REASONABLE DISTANCE TO WHAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED.
THIS IS IMMEDIATELY ABOVE, IF I, IF I MAY, WAS THAT ONE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA OVER HERE WHERE CHIPOTLE IS? NO, I REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, THERE WAS ANO A PRIOR TIME.
THERE WAS LIKE A BUILDING PROPOSED HERE.
SO THAT BEING SAID, I I, I'M LOBOS CAN LOMBARDO'S PIZZA HUT.
WHAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE CUSTOMERS AND IS IT MORE OF A SIT DOWN? IT'S MORE OF A, I MEAN, PIZZA HUT AS A SIT DOWN, I'VE BEEN IN THERE TOO.
UM, THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, TAKEOUT, PIZZA HUT, HUT TAKEOUT.
IS, UH, IS IS LOMBARDO'S THIS A, A, A EXISTING LOCATIONS THAT RELOCATING OR AN EXPANSION OR EXPANSION? THEY HAVE OTHER LOCATIONS.
IN WESTCHESTER, IN, IN THE AREA IN WESTCHESTER.
WHEREABOUTS DO YOU KNOW, UH, THE OWNER WHITE PLAINS AND DOS FERRY? JUST STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
UH, YES AND WHITE PLAINS AND DOVES FERRY.
AND, AND, AND SO I, I GUESS MY, MY SORT OF FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY ARE THESE ADDITIONAL 17 SEATS SO IMPORTANT? YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY GO TO THE TROUBLE OF, YOU KNOW, SHRINKING THE KITCHEN, ADDING MORE SPOTS? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IF YOU WERE TO JUST MAINTAIN THE 86 SPOTS, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO GO IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD TO DO SO, SO WHY, WHY GO TO THE TROUBLE FOR, FOR 17 MORE SPOTS? UM, ONCE AGAIN, IT'S THE DESIGN.
HOW THE WHOLE DESIGN IS FUNCTIONED.
WE, IT'S AN UPSCALED RESTAURANT, SO IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DESIGN, TOTALLY DIFFERENT ATMOSPHERE.
THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN REASON.
BUT THE PARKING DEPARTMENT, IT'S DICTATED BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RA.
I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN SIR.
SQUARE FOOTAGE IS STAYING THE SAME.
THAT'S, YEAH, BUT IT'S A, IT'S THE SAME AS WHEN IT, IT'S SAME AS WHAT IT PREVIOUSLY WAS OUT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I JUST HAVE A TECHNICAL POINT.
IS TY CENTER STILL THE OWNER OF THIS CENTER? UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY SAW SOMETHING.
I THINK REGENCY TOOK OVER RECENTLY.
WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, CORRECT? CORRECT.
UH, GENTLEMAN, DINO IS THE GENTLEMAN WE DEAL WITH.
HE'S WITH THAT'S WHAT HE'S WITH THE NEW, HE'S WITH THE NEW OWNER.
CINDY APPLICATION WAS FORMER, I THINK THEY WERE ACQUIRED
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BY REGENCY.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO NOT HAVE ANY.
OTHERWISE, UH, I THINK THIS WOULD COULD BE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 7TH.
SO WE WILL ADD YOU TO THE SCHEDULE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 7TH.
YOU'LL GET INSTRUCTIONS FROM OUR OFFICE.
ABOUT, UH, FOR THE, THE NOTICING.
UH, BOTH THE MAILING AND THE PHYSICAL SIGN.
SO YOU GET THAT LATER THIS WEEK.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU'RE A SPECIAL PERMIT NURSE.
THIS SOUNDS LIKE SOME JUST FOR THE EXTRA SEATS.
YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE, I MEAN, LOOK, THERE COULD BE A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOU'RE FOLLOWING PIZZA HUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AND HAD THEIR TYPICAL, BUT LIKE I SAID, WHO'S THE MOST POPULAR RESTAURANT IN LAURA WESTCHESTER? YOU KNOW? YEAH.
UH, THE NEXT CASE IS A NEW, UM, SORRY, NEW BUSINESS PB 25 12 GOLF CAVE AT 93 NORWOOD ROAD.
I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT IT INVOLVES, UH, A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO ANOTHER SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THIS FOR PRIVATE INDOOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION.
THAT'S A REQUIREMENT UNDER OUR CODE WHEN THE SPACE IS GREATER THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, IN SIZE.
AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA UPDATE THE BOARD AT A FUTURE MEETING ABOUT WHEN THAT, UM, THAT PROVISION OF THE CODE CAME INTO PLAY.
'CAUSE IT USED TO BE REGARDLESS OF SIZE AND WITHIN THE LAST, I'M GONNA SAY 10 YEARS, PROBABLY LESS, THE CODE WAS UPDATED TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THOSE PRIVATE INDOOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION FACILITIES, LESS THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS CAN GO STRAIGHT TO A BUILDING PERMIT.
WHEREAS THOSE OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET DO REQUIRE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
WAS THE MOVIE THEATER CONSIDERED PRIVATE INDOOR RECREATION OR SOMETHING ELSE? IT'S, OR IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS MORE THAN 10 YEARS.
IT'S, THERE'S MO THERE IS A PROVISION FOR MOVIE THEATER.
UM, MATT BARONS FROM THE LAW FIRM, STEINMETZ HERE WITH, UM, ONE OF THE APPLICANTS, UH, CO-OWNERS OF, OF GOLF CAVE, NICK ALERO, WHO, UM, IS WITH US TONIGHT.
UM, AS WAS, UH, ELOQUENTLY SAID, UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF OUR SPACE.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A REPURPOSING OF THE OLD MOVIE THEATER THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDERUTILIZED, CURRENTLY AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
THIS IS AN EXCITING NEW PROJECT, UM, THAT WILL BE, UH, OPERATED BY GULF CAVE, WHICH IS AN EXPERIENCED AND, UM, WELL-KNOWN, REPUTABLE, UH, GOLF SIMULATION AND TRAINING FACILITY OPERATOR WITH OTHER, UM, FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE NORTHEAST.
AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THEIR, UH, SUCCESS AND EXPERIENCE THEY'VE HAD IN, IN OTHER LOCATIONS.
UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, WE ARE JUST UNDER ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, WITH AN INDOOR RECREATIONAL USE, WHICH REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT, UM, FROM YOUR BOARD.
UH, WE'RE ALSO IN A MULTI-TENANTED COMMERCIAL BUILDING, SO WE NEED TO SHOW THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING, WHICH, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE PREPARED TO DISCUSS AND, AND DO BELIEVE THERE IS AMPLE, UM, PARKING FOR THIS USE.
UM, JUST A QUICK PROJECT SNAPSHOT.
THIS WILL BE, AGAIN, AN INTERIOR ONLY RENOVATION.
UM, IT WILL INCLUDE IN A TOTAL ABOUT EIGHT PRIVATE, WHAT'S CALLED SIMULATOR BAYS, WHERE PEOPLE COME AND WORK ON THEIR SWING.
UM, CAN GET INSTRUCTION FROM, FROM EXPERIENCED INSTRUCTORS IF THEY WISH, UM, AND WORK ON THEIR, THEIR GOLF GAME ESSENTIALLY.
UM, THERE'LL ALSO BE A MULTIPURPOSE LOUNGE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO UPGRADING THE HVAC IN DIFFERENT MECHANICALS JUST DUE TO THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CURRENT MOVIE THEATER.
UM, AND THEY'RE ALSO PUTTING ON, UH, A NEW SIGN ON THE EXTERIOR, WHICH THEY'LL OBVIOUSLY BE PREPARED TO GET ANY OF THE PERMITS NEEDED FOR THAT ON A FUTURE DATE.
UH, GULF CAVE IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL A SOUNDPROOFING, UM, MATERIALS WITHIN THE INTERIOR.
THIS IS PROVED HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER, UM, ALMOST TOO SUCCESSFUL IN OTHER, UH, OTHER LOCATIONS IN ONE OF THE LOCATIONS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NEXT TO A, A STUDIO PRODUCTION.
A PRODUCTION STUDIO, UM, WHICH REQUIRES VERY LOW NOISE, AND THEY'VE HAD NO ISSUES
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THERE WITH THEIR, UM, A SIMILAR SIZE FACILITY, UM, WITH PARKING.UM, WE DID SPEAK WITH THE LANDLORD.
WE DID, UM, ALSO GET PHOTOS, WHICH I'LL PASS TO THE BOARD NOW.
UM, WE DID TAKE PHOTOS AND GO OUT THERE FOR SURVEYING, UM, AT DIFFERENT PEAK TIMES.
ONE WAS THIS PAST THURSDAY AT AROUND FIVE O'CLOCK, WHICH ACCORDING TO THE, UM, APPLICANT GROUP IS TYPICALLY PEOPLE GET OFF OF WORK.
MAYBE A WORKING PROFESSIONAL GOES TYPICALLY GIVES AS A SOLO INDIVIDUAL SESSION BY THEMSELVES.
SO THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK ON THEIR GAME, NOT AS A GROUP TYPICALLY DURING THE WEEK.
UM, AND AGAIN, PHOTOS WERE TAKEN, UM, PEAK DAY, PEAK, UH, TIMING ON SATURDAY ABOUT, I THINK THREE O'CLOCK WAS WHEN IT WAS TAKEN, WHICH ALSO SHOWED THAT THERE'S AVAILABLE PARKING THIS PAST SATURDAY.
WHAT'S THAT? THIS PAST SATURDAY.
OH, OH, THESE ARE, SO THE FIRST ROUND IS FROM THE THURSDAY.
A BUNCH OF PHOTOS IN THE OTHER ROUND IS FROM WHICH, WHAT WAS THIS POST HOLIDAY? UH, EASTER.
UH, JUST I, EASTER IT WAS COLD AND PASSOVER.
SO STILL SOME, I, I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE OTHER USES STILL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DID GO SHOPPING AND THINGS LIKE THAT OVER, OVER SATURDAY IN PREPARATION FOR, UM, EASTER, FOR EXAMPLE.
BUT FROM A, A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT.
THE, THE FORMER MOVIE THEATER OBVIOUSLY REQUIRED A MUCH MORE STRICT ZONING, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THIS, THIS IS A MUCH LESS INTENSE PARKING REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO BOTH FROM A ZONING AND JUST A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, UM, WE REALLY DON'T SEE FORESEE PARKING BEING AN ISSUE FOR THIS APPLICANT.
UM, OVERALL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS CONTEXTUAL WITH THE COMMERCIAL USE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
IT PROMOTES A HEALTHY, UM, VERY CONSUMER ORIENTED, UH, PRODUCTIVE USE OF THE SPACE, UM, AND, AND BRINGS LIFE ULTIMATELY BACK TO THIS FORMER DORMANT SITE.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WILL, I WILL PAUSE.
IF THE BOARD HAS ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.
IF NOT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO NICK TO SPEAK MORE ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE.
BUT IF THE BOARD HAS ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS, UH, CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SECOND FLOOR? YEAH, YEAH, SURE.
NICK, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT, UH, NICK TIRO, ONE OF THE CO-OWNERS? UH, MY PARTNERS AND I PLAN ON USING IT.
SO IT USED TO BE THE MEZZANINE.
UM, IT'S, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING UP THERE.
WE JUST PLAN ON REPURPOSING THE SPACE.
OUR CONCEPT IS MORE MEMBER BASED AND WE PLAN ON ONLY USING THAT FOR, UH, A MEMBER'S LOUNGE, ESSENTIALLY.
UH, SO WE WANNA PUT MAYBE A COUPLE COUCHES UP THERE, POSSIBLY.
JUST A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO HANG OUT.
UM, NOTHING MAJOR REALLY TO BE RENOVATED UP THERE, THERE BE FOODS OR DRINK SERVICE? NOPE.
WE ARE, THERE'S NO FOOD IN OUR ESTABLISHMENT.
IS THE MEZZANINE ONLY ACCESSIBLE BY THE STAIRS OR, YES, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
WHAT UP? AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A COMMENT FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE RELATED TO THE USAGE OF THE SECOND FLOOR.
WAS THAT ADDRESSED AND CAN THAT BE SPOKEN TO? YEAH, WE, WE, WE WON'T SPEAK TO IT TONIGHT, BUT WE JUST BECAUSE THE ARCHITECT WAS, WAS BUSY AND MEP ALSO AS WELL.
BUT WE DID SUBMIT A RESPONSE MEMO TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S COMMENTS, WHICH WE CAN ALSO RECIRCULATE IF, IF YOU WISH.
BUT WE HAVE, UM, ADDRESSED ALL THOSE DIFFERENT COMMENTS.
COULD, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THOSE BRIEFLY? DO YOU HAVE NOW? I, I WOULD NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST BECAUSE I SAID, OH, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T, THE ARCHITECT, UM, IS UNAVAILABLE TO, TO SPEAK ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
BUT, UM, SO I CAN SPEAK TO ONE OF THE COMMENTS, WHICH WAS RELATED TO THE USAGE OF THE SECOND FLOOR.
UH, THERE WERE COMMENTS RELATED TO A DA ACCESSIBILITY AND, AND OR IF NOT, YOU KNOW, FEASIBLE THEN PROVIDING A SIMILAR SIZE SPACE FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO THE A AND CORRECT ME IF YOU FEEL ANY DIFFERENTLY, BUT, UM, SO THE APPLICANT WAS IN PROCESS OF ADDRESSING THAT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, UH, SINCE THE THEATER WAS INSTALLED, A DA REQUIREMENTS HAVE HAVE CHANGED QUITE A BIT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WANTED TO POINT OUT.
SO, SO WHAT SORT OF, GENERALLY SUMMARIZING WHAT WOULD THE A DA REQUIREMENT BE NOW? WOULD IT BE, UM, A, A COMPARABLE, EITHER COMPARABLE AREA ON THE FIRST FLOOR FOR A MEMBER'S LOUNGE OR AN ELEVATOR OR SOME OTHER WAY TO, I DON'T KNOW IF, CAN I, CAN I ADD TO THAT? YEAH.
UH, SO WE, WE DO HAVE A CERTAIN AREA AND THE PLAN'S MEANT FOR SEATING JUST TO HANG OUT AS WELL.
IT'S NOT, UH, IT, NON-MEMBERS AND MEMBERS CAN SIT IN THAT AREA.
BUT WE DO PLAN ON PUTTING A COUPLE SCREENS FOR ENTERTAINMENT FOR, FOR TV, ESPN, ANY, YOU
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KNOW, SPORTS THAT PEOPLE WANNA WATCH.UM, BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE SEATING DOWNSTAIRS.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR? YES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO COORDINATE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR SO THAT THEY'RE SATISFIED.
JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THOUGH, THE MEZZANINE LEVEL MM-HMM
WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, STEPS UP IS FOR MEMBERS ONLY MM-HMM
SO IF SOMEONE NEEDED TO GET, YOU KNOW, NEEDED A DA COMPLIANT, BUT WERE WAS A MEMBER, THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED OR THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET UP THERE.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WANTED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY IS IF YOU CANNOT MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE, THEN YOU NEED TO PROVIDE A SIMILAR, UM, OPTION ON THE MAIN FLOOR OR THE FIRST FLOOR FOR FLOOR THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE.
BUT THAT, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THAT'S A MEMBERSHIP ONLY AREA.
IT'S, IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
WOULD, WOULD MAKING IT MEMBER OR NON-MEMBER CHANGE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING IF IT WAS ACCESSIBLE TO ANYBODY WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
SO WITH YOUR ARCHITECT AND YOUR TEAM.
I THINK FOR DOUBLE INITIALLY IS THAT, UH, WHETHER IT'S 80 OR NOT, EITHER THE SEC, HOW MUCH IS THE OCCUPANCY WOULD BE THERE BASED ON THE AREA? ON THE SECOND FLOOR? MM-HMM
WE CAN SPEAK TO THE GENERAL ANTICIPATED USE WITH JUST HOW MANY BAYS OR SIMULATORS THERE ARE.
'CAUSE IT'S MACED MAX AROUND FOUR CUSTOMERS WOULD COME AT, AT A MAXIMUM FOR EACH BAY AREA SIMULATOR.
UM, SO WE CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT WE, WE WOULDN'T TONIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE SPECIFIC OBJECT.
BUT FOR QUESTION IS THAT THE NEW YORK STATE CODE REQUIRES BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE EDGES.
SO YOUR ARCHITECTS NEEDS TO ANSWER THAT.
DO THEY NEED A SECOND MIX OF EGRESS? 'CAUSE IT'S ONLY ONE WAY YOU CAN GO IN AND GET OUT.
SO THERE IS A FIRE THEY CANNOT GET OUT FOR THE MEZZANINE.
JUST SOMETHING TO AGAIN, CERTAINLY BE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE HAD, WE SPEAK TO YOUR ARCHITECT.
YES, WE DID PUT TOGETHER A RESPONSE MEMO.
WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT AND RECIRCULATE AND SPEAK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE RESPONSES THAT WE PROVIDED.
BUT REGARD, ORIGINALLY THIS SPACE WAS ONLY FOR LIKE ONE PERSON WHO WAS THE OPERATOR.
AND THEY WERE, UH, FROM THE, UH, SORT OF, UH, FOR THE MOVIES, UH, MOVIE, CAB MOVIE SORT OF PROJECTORS.
DOING SO IT WAS VERY SPECIFIC SPECIAL USE.
THIS ONE IS NOW, UH, WITH, WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I THINK IT'S TO TURNING EFFECTIVELY A, A PRIVATE SPACE TO A PUBLIC SPACE.
WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE A, WE'LL HAVE THEM LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT.
I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING BROUGHT UP BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR OR THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE RAISE THE QUESTION TO THEM.
CERTAINLY OUR, I BELIEVE OUR ARCHITECTS ALREADY RESPONDED, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE TOUCH ON ALL THOSE ISSUES.
AND JUST, UM, I NOTICED YOU, YOU MENTIONED HVAC AND SO WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE ROOF, NICK, DO YOU KNOW? OR IS, IS IT, BECAUSE THERE'S ROOF SYSTEM NOW.
SO EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THE ROOF RIGHT NOW IS, IS NO LONGER OF USE.
WE'VE SENT DRONES UP THERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM.
UM, THE PLAN IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, MINI SPLITS IN EACH ROOM.
UM, AND FOR THE HARDWARE NEEDED ON THE ROOF, THIS IS WHERE I GUESS WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN PUTTING, UM, CONDENSERS MM-HMM
OF, I WOULD WANNA SAY ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF TON PER TWO CAVES, AND THEN ABOUT A SEVEN TON FOR THE MAIN COMMON AREA.
IT'S EITHER GONNA GO UP THERE OR ON, UH, THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
UH, I DO KNOW I HAVE PICTURES OF MY EMAIL, UM, BUT I CAN CLARIFY THAT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALWAYS AT THE PLANNING BOARD SUGGESTS, JUST LOOKING FORWARD AHEAD OF TIME, IS SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES.
WHETHER OR NOT, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A NEW BUILDING.
YOU'RE NOT TEARING APART THE ROOF, BUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYTHING SUSTAINABLE, RENEWABLE, SOLAR, UM, GOES REALLY GOOD WITH ELECTRIC SYSTEMS. SO THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN WE ARE ALSO ALSO LOOKING TO THE FUTURE WITH EV CHARGING STATIONS.
SO THESE ARE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK ABOUT AND ALSO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY WITHIN THE STATE TO DO THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE RENO RENOVATING.
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SO IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.I KNOW, I KNOW IN THE EAF AS WELL, WE IDENTIFIED, UH, THAT WE ARE MEETING STATE ENERGY CODE REQUIREMENTS AND I KNOW THE ARCHITECT AND THE MEP HAS MENTIONED AS MUCH AND HIGH ENERGY EFFICIENCY, THINGS LIKE THAT, THE LATEST STATE OF THE ART, UM, EQUIPMENT AS WELL.
BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE OTHER ITEMS. THANK ANY OTHER, I, I THINK I ALSO, SORRY, YOU GO AHEAD.
UH, FIRST ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING WITH THE ENTRANCEWAY ON THE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU SAID IT'S ALL INTERIOR, SO I KNOW YOU'RE PUTTING A NEW SIGN UP, BUT ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING WITH THE ENTRANCE AREA, WHICH IS BOTH INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR? UM, WE HAD, WE, UH, WE WERE ASKED TO, UH, INCLUDE IN OUR DRAWINGS, UH, VESTIBULE.
UM, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, NOT REALLY.
YOU WALK IN, YOU HAVE AN OPEN LOBBY, UH, AND THEN THE CAVES KIND OF COME RIGHT UP TO BEHIND THE DESK IS, IS THE, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A LONG TIME, IS THE EXISTING ENTRANCEWAY, YOU KNOW, OLD TIRED, 1950S
UM, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT 'CAUSE THERE'S STILL THE TICKET BOOTH WINDOW.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TO CERTAIN PEOPLE IF THEY'RE WALKING BY AND THEY SEE A GOLF SIMULATOR AND THEN A TICKET BOOTH.
UM, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT, I CAN TALK WITH MY PARTNERS ABOUT RECONFIGURING THAT, MAYBE CLOSING IT UP.
UM, BUT WE WILL BE USING BOTH OF THOSE DOORS THAT ARE STILL THERE.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK ANYTHING THAT MAKES IT MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING THERE.
IF YOU HAVE FROM 19, MICHELLE, IF YOU'RE RIGHT, IF IT'S 1950, 1950S, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE NICE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, UPDATE IT.
SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE GOLF SIMULATORS BACK IN
UM, BUT, UH, WE ACTUALLY, WE, UH, WE COULD TALK TO THE LANDLORD AND ASK HIM ABOUT THAT.
HE'S PRETTY EASYGOING ABOUT IT.
HE'S VERY EXCITED FOR US TO BE THERE AGAIN, TO BRING SOMETHING NEW TO THIS AREA.
UM, BEING THAT WE ARE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT CONCEPT COMPARED TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER GOLF SIMULATORS WHERE IT'S A MORE IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, FOODS BEING, YOU KNOW, SOLD, YOU KNOW, DRINKS AND WHATNOT.
OURS IS STRICTLY ON FOCUSING ON YOUR GOLF GAME.
UM, AND THERE ARE ABOUT SEVEN OTHER LOCATIONS IN NEW JERSEY, UH, THAT ARE PART OF THIS FRANCHISE.
WE'RE THE FIRST NEW YORK LOCATION.
UM, AND WE'RE JUST PRETTY EXCITED TO, TO BE THERE.
UH, ME AND MY PARTNERS WE'RE, WE'RE ALSO AVID GOLFERS, SO, UH, AND THEN WE'VE LIVED HERE PRETTY MUCH OUR WHOLE LIVES, SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
DO YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER TO NO, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE A MEMBER.
UH, YOU DO HAVE TO BOOK ONLINE.
UH, SO AGAIN, NOBODY'S WAITING TO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A SET GOLF TIME, TEE TIME, YOU'RE NOT SITTING THERE WAITING IN THE PARKING LOT.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT TIME YOU HAVE TO BE THERE.
YOU GO IN, UH, IF YOU WANTED TO EXTEND ANOTHER HOUR, IF IT'S AVAILABLE, YOU CAN DO SO.
UM, BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT TIME THEY HAVE TO BE THERE.
AND THEN WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, YOU'RE DONE AND YOU LEAVE.
SO, SO WHY WOULD SOMEONE BE A MEMBER? WHAT'S THE DISTINCTION? SURE.
SO WITH A MEMBER, YOU GET, UH, MORE DAYS IN ADVANCE TO BOOK YOUR TEE TIME.
UH, AND IT'S ALSO PAID PER THE HOUR.
SO YOU GET A DISCOUNTED RATE FOR PAYING, UH, YOU GET A DISCOUNTED RATE BY THE HOUR IF YOU ARE A MEMBER, UM, ON TOP OF, UH, FREE HOURS THAT YOU CAN ACCUMULATE OVER THE SUMMER, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY OUR SLOW MONTHS.
SO HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU, UM, TYPICALLY ONE OR TWO, DEPENDING ON HOW BUSY IT IS.
AND, UH, AS MATT MENTIONED, WE WILL, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO, UM, IF YOU NEED A GOLF PRO TO PROVIDE LESSONS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING YOU COULD BOOK ONLINE AS WELL.
SO THAT WOULD REALLY BE THE SECOND PERSON.
OUR, UH, ARE MEMBERSHIPS MONTHLY, ANNUALLY? HOW IS THAT STRUCTURED? UH, MONTHLY.
HOW LONG IS THE SESSION? UH, TYPICALLY THEY, THEY BY THE HOUR.
SO PEOPLE ARE THERE TYPICALLY FOR AN HOUR OR DO THEY TYPICALLY BOOK FOR TWO HOURS? OR, DEPENDS IF YOU WANT TO GO AND PRACTICE FOR AN HOUR BEFORE YOU GO OUT TO, UH, A REGULAR GOLF COURSE.
OR IF YOU AND A FRIEND THINK YOU CAN GET THROUGH A ROUND OF 18 AND TWO TO THREE HOURS.
IS IS, IS THERE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERSHIPS YOU, YOU CAP AT OUT? CAP OUT CAP AT, CAP OUT AT, THANK YOU.
UH, NO, NOT THAT I'VE SEEN SO FAR.
AND THE SESSIONS ARE STAGGER UP SOMETIMES 15? OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER IN BETWEEN SESSIONS.
SO THERE'S ABOUT A 10 TO 15 MINUTE GAP BETWEEN, SO THERE'S THE OVERLAP WAITING AND, AND IS THERE OTHER RETAIL, YOU KNOW, SHIRTS AND CLUBS, OR IS, IS IT JUST THE, THE SIMULATORS? UH, SO THERE WILL BE HATS AND T-SHIRTS ESSENTIALLY, BUT THAT'S REALLY IT.
AND THOSE, THOSE DON'T EVEN REALLY MOVE THAT MUCH FROM WHAT WE'VE UNDERSTOOD FROM OUR OTHER FRANCHISEES.
AND JUST ONE LAST FOR ME, ONE LAST QUESTION.
THE OTHER AREAS, THEY ALL THE SAME BUSINESS MODEL, NO FOOD.
IS THAT THE WAY IT IS AT ALL THE OTHER LOCATIONS? YEAH.
EVERY LOCATION THAT, UH, IN THE GULF CAVE FRANCHISE, THEY DON'T SERVE FOOD.
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THERE MIGHT BE A VENDING MACHINE OR TWO, BUT THAT'S IT.ARE YOU ALLOWED TO BRING FOOD IN OR IS IT A YES, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BRING FOOD IN, IN, IN EACH CAVE THERE IS ESSENTIALLY A REFRIGERATOR TO KEEP YOUR DRINKS COLD.
UM, AND YOU CAN A LITTLE TABLE.
SO IF YOU WANNA BRING FOOD IN A SANDWICH, A PIZZA, CAN YOU BRING IN ALCOHOL? UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE LOOKED INTO THAT YET.
SO THAT'S REGULATED BY THE STATE? YEAH, THEY WOULD NEED, IT'S REGULATED BY THE STATE.
I'D JUST SAY LIKE, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST LOCATION IN NEW YORK STATE, SO RIGHT.
HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S AT MAX CAPACITY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE THERE BETWEEN PATRONS AND EMPLOYEES? UH, I WOULD SAY 34.
IF THERE'S, THAT'S MAXED OUT THAT TOTAL MAX.
TOTAL MAX FOUR PER CAVE AND TWO EMPLOYEES.
NOW MIND YOU AGAIN, THE MOVIE THEATER, YOU KNOW, BIG SHOWING A HUNDRED CAR SHOW UP AND THEY ALL LET OUT AT THE SAME TIME.
AND ONE POTENTIALLY MEMBERS IN THE, IN THE MEZZANINE WHO AREN'T IN ANY OF THE CAVES, WOULD THEY BE, WOULD THE MEZZANINE PEOPLE BE HANGING OUT SEPARATELY IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A SESSION? UM, POTENTIALLY THEY COULD.
I KNOW OTHER LOCATIONS DO HAVE, SOME OF THEM HAVE LIKE OFFICES IN THEM, LIKE A SMALL OFFICE ROOM.
SO IF THEY DO HAVE TO TAKE BOARD MEETINGS AND WHATNOT, BUT I MEAN, TYPICALLY WE DON'T FORESEE CUSTOMERS HANGING OUT FOR REALLY TOO LONG.
THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO ENTERTAINMENT UP THERE FOR THEM TOO.
WOULD PRE MORE PRESUMABLY STILL BE LESS THAN A MOVIE THEATER? YEAH, IT WOULD STILL BE LESS THAN SEVEN 50 SQUARE FEET.
THE MEZZANINE, UH, GIVE OR TAKE.
SO THEN WHERE'S THE ESPN PLAYING AND DOWNSTAIRS.
WHERE THE OTHER CHAIRS ARE ACCESSIBLE.
WE ALSO HAVE A PUTTING GREEN THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO, IT'S IN FRONT OF THE BATHROOM.
IT'S IN FRONT OF ONE OF THE CAVES.
UM, SO ESSENTIALLY IF YOU WANNA WORK ON YOUR PUTTING TOO A LITTLE BIT YOU CAN IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
MAYBE THIS IS MORE FOR ALLEN, THE NOISE ISSUE.
YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, OVERBOARD AT THAT ONE SITE WHERE THERE WAS A, UH, STUDIO MM-HMM
A, A RECORDING STUDIO NEXT DOOR.
I THINK IT EVEN SAID THERE'S NO NOISE.
IS THERE A STANDARD THAT SHOULD BE SET, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, JUST GENERALLY WE, WE DON'T MAKE NOISE.
WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, WE PUT IN INSULATION, SO IT'S SUBJECT TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
TO ENSURE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE DISRUPTIVE TO ADJACENT USES OR THE EXTERIOR OF THE SITE, YOU KNOW.
SO WHAT'S ON EITHER SIDE? SO THERE'S, SO ON TAEKWONDO TO THE LEFT, THERE'S TAEKWONDO ON THE LEFT AND THEN A LIQUOR STORE ON THE RIGHT.
NOW MIND YOU, THERE IS GONNA BE INSTALLATION IN THE WALLS AND THE CEILING AS WELL AS THE SOUNDPROOF BOARDS ON THE INSIDE OF EACH CAVE.
IF THERE'S A LIQUOR STORE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, YOU'LL PROBABLY WANNA LOOK INTO WHAT, WHAT PEOPLE CAN AND CANNOT BRING IN.
YOU KNOW, FOR YOU TO BE AWARE, EVEN IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE THE SERVICE RIGHT.
TO ALLOW, YOU COULD BE SUBJECT TO MM-HMM
LESLIE, CAN I ASK A QUESTION NOW? UH,
I WAS OFTEN BEHIND MIKE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
MY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT BUILDING IS WHEN THEY DO WORK ON THE ROOF, THEY TEND TO WASH THE STUFF ON THE ROOF INTO THE STORMWATER SEWER SYSTEM.
SO I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT WHEN YOU GUYS COME UP WITH YOUR PLANS, THAT ANY KIND OF WORK WHERE YOU NEED TO WASH OUT STUFF DOESN'T END UP IN THE STORMWATER DRAINS.
WE CAN MAKE NOTE, WE CAN MAKE NOTE OF THAT.
YEAH, I THINK GOING BACK TO WHAT THE QUESTION THAT LESLIE HAD ABOUT THE, UH, BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN FACILITY OR IS IT, UH, CAN YOU PUT A, UH, EV CHARGING STATIONS IN FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING? MM.
I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF US, SO REALLY, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE LANDLORD.
BUT CAN YOU JUST SORT OF TALK TO THEM AND SEE WHETHER, WHETHER YOU ARE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THESE GUYS WHO COMING TO PLAY GOLF, RIGHT? PROBABLY TESLA.
SO
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
EVEN IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING ITSELF TOO, THAT'S MORE FOR THE TRUCKS TO GO AND DELIVER TO THE GROCERY STORE THAT'S RIGHT THERE.
SO I WOULDN'T, I MEAN, AGAIN, THAT'S, WELL I THINK YOU ARE JUST, UH, THERE IS ANOTHER STORE AND THEN YOU ARE THERE.
SO THERE IS A, UH, GROCERY STORE, SKY PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IT WAS ALL MOVIE THEATER AND YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S THE LOOK INTO IT WOULD BE OPEN TO EXPLORING IT WITH THE LOOKING INTO IT.
WE, WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY EXPLORE AGAIN, THERE WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY CONVERSATIONS THE LANDLORD AND YEAH.
THEY WOULD, I ASSUME NOT WANT TO TAKE ON THE COST, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULD, THERE HAVE TO BE SOME BUSINESS DECISIONS AS WELL WITH THE LANDLORD AND, UM, POTENTIAL COST SHARING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS ISN'T A GINORMOUS CORPORATION, SO OBVIOUSLY EVERY, UH, DOLLAR MATTERS FOR FEASIBILITY AND BUSINESS PLAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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UM, I KNOW A LOAN WAS RECENTLY TAKEN TO TO, TO GET THIS UNDERWAY.SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A, UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT
SO WE TRY TO KIND OF DO LITTLE PIECE BY PIECE PUSHING TO HAVING MORE, UH, MORE OF THIS AMENITIES ADDED TO OVERALL, UH, FACILITY.
AND I THINK IT'S, IT'S ONLY WAY WE CAN COMMUNICATE TO THE OWNER IS THROUGH THAT WE CANNOT JUST GO AND SAY, START PUTTING UP U STATION IN YOUR PARKING LOT.
SO THIS IS WE'LL, CERTAINLY OPPORTUNITY.
WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LANDLORD REPORT BACK NICK HASSEL'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LANDLORD AND, AND I THINK DEFINITELY WHAT THE TWO OTHER MEMBERS HAD THOUGH.
UH, I THINK, BUT YOU ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING EXTRA.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT IN THE PRINT TO DO IT IN THE FRONT OF THE, THE LOBBY AND OTHER STUFF.
SOMETHING THAT IT'S GOOD FOR YOUR BUSINESS ALSO BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD, UH, PEOPLE WILL SORT OF SAY SOMETHING NEW.
SO IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE STILL COORDINATING WITH THE ARCHITECT AND HE OR SHE WAS UNABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING IN TERMS OF TIMING AND MEETING.
SO WE CAN I, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE SUBMITTED RESPONSES TO THAT INITIAL BUILDING DEPARTMENT MEMO.
SO I CAN, WE CAN KIND OF REENGAGE THAT AND MAKE SURE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS, IS SET THERE.
WE WOULD ASK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE SET SIMILAR TO THE OTHER, UM, APPLICATIONS FOR MAY 7TH.
IT O OBVIOUSLY CAN, BUT I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH TO, TO PUT FORWARD, UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE DID RESPOND TO THOSE, THOSE BUILDING COMMENT MEMOS PRETTY, PRETTY FAST.
UM, AND SO I I THINK WE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE THERE.
DOES ANYONE OBJECT TO THAT? I TEND TO THINK THAT, I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S AVAILABILITY ON MAY 7TH AND THE APPLICANT HAS SAID ON THE RECORD THAT IF FOR ANY REASON THERE'S A DELAY ON THEIR END AND NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR TO ENSURE THAT THEIR COMMENTS WERE RESPONDED TO, TO DOUBLE CHECK ON THE NEW YORK STATE CODE TO OPINE ON, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BRINGING IN OF ALCOHOL, THEN THE BOARD COULD JUST QUICKLY OPEN AND ADJOURN TO THE FOLLOWING MEETING IF THE PROJECT FOR ANY REASON IS NOT READY TO GO ON THE SEVENTH.
I'M, WHEN WOULD, EXCUSE ME FOR ONE MOMENT, WHEN WOULD WE GET THE, UM, THE PLANS? 'CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY SEEING, WE'VE SUBMITTED THE PLANS.
NO, NO, BUT YOU, WE HAVE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HE SAID THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO, LIKE, WHEN WILL WE GET THAT STUFF? SO WE SEE FOR THE MEZZANINE FOR, RIGHT.
WE'VE SUBMITTED RESPONSES THOUGH.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S COURT TO, TO LOOK AT THAT, WHICH WE WILL HELP FOLLOW UP AND FACILITATE, BUT RIGHT.
SO IT MAY NOT WARRANT AN ACTUAL REVISION TO THE PLAN.
IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH A NARRATIVE RESPONSE.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
IF THERE WAS A REVISION TO THE PLANS, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE IT IN YOUR NEXT PACKAGES.
AND IF IT WASN'T THEN UM, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD COULD ABSOLUTELY ADJOURN, BUT PARTICULARLY, AND STAFF WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT THE BOARD ADJOURNED BECAUSE THE PLANS WEREN'T IN.
WE WOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AARON, MY CONCERN IS THAT ARCHITECT'S ANSWER ONTO THE SECOND MEANS OF EG REGRESS FOR THAT THING BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD CHANGE, UH, EITHER THE USE THAT YOU HAVE UP THERE CERTAINLY, OR JUST I, I, I BELIEVE, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE RESPONSE MEMO.
I'LL, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK, WHICH WAS RESUBMITTED SO WE CAN, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S CIRCULATED TO DEFENDANT.
YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, WORST CASE SCENARIO, THE, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SAYS YOU CAN'T USE THAT MEZZANINE.
WOULD THAT DRAMATICALLY CHANGE YOUR DECISION IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT OR NOT? OR WE WOULD STILL, NO, WE WOULD STILL AT THE MIC.
SO NOT UTILIZING THE MEZZANINE, WE WOULD STILL MOVE FORWARD.
IT JUST FIGURED IT WAS A SPACE THAT WAS AVAILABLE.
LET'S JUST TRY TO USE IT HOWEVER WE CAN.
YOU KNOW, IF IT NEEDS TO BE STORAGE FOR SAY FOR, YOU KNOW, EXTRA GOLF BAG OR TWO, SO BE IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S SO SUBSTANTIAL THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
I, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS ADJOURN, SO I THINK YOU'D BE OKAY TO SCHEDULE THE HEARING AND WE WILL LOOK AT THE, THE LIQUOR ISSUE POTENTIAL EV UM, ENERGY REQUIRE ENERGY EFFICIENCY MEASURES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND YOU'LL HAVE THE HVAC CLIENTS, YOU'LL KNOW.
AND, AND IF THERE'S A GROCERY STORE NEXT DOOR, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE BEER AND THE LIQUOR STORE WOULD HAVE HARD LIQUOR.
SO I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY BOTH, BOTH ISSUES THERE.
SO WE CAN, YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING
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FOR MAY 7TH? MM-HMMSO JUST KEEP THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN WITH US THIS WEEK.
THIS WEEK, BECAUSE THE NOTICE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GO OUT FRIDAY AND THE POSTING OF THE SIGNAGE.
SO JUST, I KNOW MATT BRITTON'S BEEN PROBABLY YOUR PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT IN OUR OFFICE, BUT ANYTHING YOU SUBMIT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE RESPONSE SUBMITTAL CAME THROUGH HIM AND THEN WAS ROUTED TO THE BUILDING.
UM, BUT WE CAN, AND IF, IF IT'S OKAY, WE CAN FOLLOW UP IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, MAKE SURE THE ARCHITECT IS, IS IN CONVERSATION WITH THEM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
OKAY, SO THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF REGULAR BUSINESS WITH APPLICANTS, BUT, UM, I DID WANNA BRING SOMETHING UP, SO WE'LL JUST WAIT FOR, AND, AND I JUST HAD ONE, ONE THOUGHT.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CHOW APPLICATION SHOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED DURING CORRESPONDENCE OR IF WE DON'T WANNA SAY ANYTHING AT THIS TIME.
I MEAN USUALLY WHEN IT CIRCLES BACK THAT'S WHEN I WOULD OKAY.
INDICATE UM, ARE WE CLOSING? NO.
SO I'M JUST WAITING FOR COR BUT I WAS GONNA GIVE A HANDOUT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT WHILE I'M SPEAKING, IT COULD BE TOO CONFUSING.
SO I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU AFTERWARDS.
'CAUSE IT, IT'S MORE THAN A MOUTHFUL.
UM, I WANT TO WAIT FOR MR. DESAI.
SO JUST, SO IS THIS THE PROPER TIME THEN ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LAST APPLICANT OR JUST YOU MEAN THEM? YES.
OR SHOULD I, WE SHOULD PUT YOU.
UM, I MEAN THE BOARD, AMANDA, ANY OBJECTION TO THE, USUALLY WE WOULD DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT PRESENT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I WOULDN'T ADVISE I WOULD DO THAT AT THIS TIME.
IT'S MORE PROCEDURAL, BUT OKAY.
SO PROCEDURE REGARDING SCHEDULING SOMETHING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WHEN, UH, WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME THIS MONTH, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WHEN ALL OF THE QUESTIONS HAVEN'T BEEN ANSWERED OR THE BOARD IS A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE PRESENTATION AS IT IS.
SO THAT WOULD BE FOR GOLF CAVE AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT, NOT, NOT LOMBARDO, THE OTHER ONE.
UM, I SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE IF WE GET THE STUFF THAT FRIDAY BEFORE, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, A TIME CONSTRAINT FOR US.
SO THE WAY I SEE IT WITH, AND I'LL JUST INCLUDE ALL THREE PROJECTS, IS, UM, THERE ARE, IT SOUNDS LIKE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE ANSWERED WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE, AND IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE BOARD ON SCHEDULING.
UM, THE WAY STAFF PERCEIVES OR BELIEVES IS THAT IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH TIME AND THE APPLICANT'S STATING ON THE RECORD THAT THEY'RE GONNA RESPOND IN A, IN A SHORT TI TIME PERIOD SO THAT THEY CAN PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT IN A TIMELY FASHION, THEN WE DON'T OBJECT TO THE BOARD PLACING THE MATTER ON IF FOR ANY REASON THEY'RE NOT READY, UM, THEN THEY COULD EASILY BE ADJOURNED.
BUT OFTENTIMES IF WE THINK ABOUT BIGGER PROJECTS, THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT SMALLER SCALE PROJECTS, BUT OFTENTIMES AN APPLICANT WILL HAVE A WORK SESSION OR TWO WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, NEED TO DO SOME HOMEWORK, BUT IT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL WHERE THE BOARD WANTS TO SEE IT AGAIN IN WORK SESSION.
RATHER, THE APPLICANT WILL COME IN PRESENT INITIALLY AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, SAY WE WERE AT YOUR LAST WORK SESSION, YOU HAD THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
WE PROVIDED A RESPONSE, YOU GOT IT IN YOUR PACKAGES, BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA PRESENT FOR YOUR BENEFIT AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
THEN BEFORE IT EVEN OPENS FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE BOARD ASK ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS THAT IT HAS.
AND THEN, AND ONLY THEN WOULD WE OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF BEEN THE STANDARD.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, THIS IS THE POLICY AND YOU DO IT FOR EVERY PROJECT BECAUSE THERE WILL BE VARIATIONS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE STANDARD.
IF, IF TONIGHT, EITHER MYSELF OR AMANDA THOUGHT THAT ONE OR MORE OF THESE PROJECTS WAS NOT READY, THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN BROUGHT IT UP.
I GUESS FOR THE, FOR THE, UM, SUSHI RESTAURANT, THE SWITCH AND
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THE NUMBER OF SEATS MEANS THAT WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WAS NOT ACTUALLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING.AND THEN FOR THE LAST ONE, UM, NOT HAVING THE RESPONSES THAT HE SAID, SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE CAME OUT.
SO, AND MATT WAS THE POINT PERSON FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY, I DON'T KNOW.
I DO KNOW THAT THE, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT THE, SO LET ME BACK UP WITH THE SUSHI, THE WAY I SEE THAT IS, WELL THEY HAD 63, THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE REDUCING IT DOWN, THEN IT'S POTENTIALLY EVEN LESS OF AN IMPACT FROM A TRAFFIC OR PARKING NEEDS STANDPOINT.
SO YES, WE DO NEED TO SEE IT ON THE PLAN, BUT UNLESS YOU COULD THINK OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE SPACE INSIDE IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE OR OTHER EMERGENCY FOR PEOPLE TO NAVIGATE TO EITHER OF THE EXITS.
SO I THINK THAT THAT'S LIKELY AN IMPROVEMENT IF THEY REDUCE DOWN TO 50.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL THOUGHT ON AND PROFESSIONAL THOUGHT ON THAT ONE.
WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE OTHER ONE, THE, UM, GOLF CAVE, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S COMMENTS CAME OUT RECENTLY AND I THINK WITHIN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO THEY MADE A RESPONSE, BUT MATT PROBABLY CIRCULATED THAT DIRECTLY OUT TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND I DIDN'T SEE AN EMAIL OKAY.
TODAY OR FRIDAY THAT SAID THIS, WE'RE FULLY SATISFIED.
SO I HAVE NO ISSUE FOLLOWING UP DIRECTLY WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND OR DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR TOMORROW TO SAY, HEY, W WHAT WAS RES THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, WAS THAT, UM, TO YOUR SATISFACTION? AND BY THE WAY, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF GOOD QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE ALCOHOL, WITH RESPECT TO THE MEZZANINE AND A SECOND MEANS OF ING EGRESS.
YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WHERE I HAVE A DIRECT CONVERSATION.
BUT, BUT ANY CASE, I MEAN, IF THE, IF THEY'RE NOT READY OR THEY, WE JUST ADJOURN, JUST YEAH, YOU JUST SORT OF EITHER OR YOU YOU DO NOT.
I WOULD STATE RIGHT ON THE RECORD, YEAH, WE WOULD OPEN THE HEARING.
I WOULD STATE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE NOTICED THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE OR ON ZOOM THAT GOT THE NOTICE AND WAS INTERESTED.
AND WE WOULD, SOMETIMES, WE'VE EVEN SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, UM, THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM ON FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, CASE NUMBER X, Y, Z THAT WILL NOT BE HEARD TONIGHT EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE, WE'RE JUST GONNA BE ADJOURNING IT TO A FUTURE DATE.
PLEASE KEEP IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICE TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT THE FUTURE DATE IS.
BUT YOU CAN ALSO NOT PUT IT ONTO THE AGENDA.
ALSO, ONCE YOU NOTICE IT, THEN YOU PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
SO WHAT THE DATE IS THIS FRIDAY? THIS FRIDAY, YEAH.
SO YOU PUT IT ON AND THEN YOU JUST, BUT YOU, YOU UNTIL FRIDAY TO REALLY DECIDE OH, RIGHT.
IF WE, IF IT WAS RADIO SILENCE AND WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM AN APPLICANT FOR ANY REASON, THEN THEY WOULD NOT EVEN BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA.
EVEN, EVEN IF WE SAID TONIGHT, BUT WE SAID TONIGHT SUBJECT TO SUBJECT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND WE ALWAYS DO THAT SUBJECT TO IF THERE'S A QUESTION OR A COMMENT.
SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, THANK YOU.
UM, I HOPE THAT JUDGE TODD POINT IS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE COMMENTS THAT YOU'LL ADDRESS AND PLANS WILL CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE HEARING PROCESS.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO AARON'S COMMENTS, I WOULD JUST LOOK AT THE SUBSTANCE OF THE CHANGES TO THE PLANS.
IS IT SHOWING AN ADDITIONAL DOOR OR IS IT CHANGING THE ENTIRE PLAN? RIGHT, RIGHT.
THE, THE SCOPE OF THE CHANGES.
OKAY, SO I'M NOT GONNA KEEP YOU TOO LONG, UM, BUT I WANTED TO, WHAT STAFF HAS DISCUSSED, UM, WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND AMONGST OURSELVES IS THAT IT WILL, IT WILL PROBABLY BE HELPFUL FOR STAFF FROM TIME TO TIME ON SHORTER MEETING EVENINGS TO BE PREPARED TO DISCUSS EITHER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING UP, PAST PROJECTS THAT MAY BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND RELATIVE TO A NEW PROJECT COMING IN.
AND WITH THAT SAID, UM, I MENTIONED I THINK AT THE LAST MEETING, MAYBE AT THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, THAT THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME PRETTY SUBSTANTIVE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT ARE, MAY BE REFERRED, UH, BY THE TOWN BOARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS EARLY AS THE WEDNESDAY OF THIS WEEK.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD THEN SCHEDULE FOR OUR NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING.
UM, SO THOSE ARE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND AS SOON AS THE REFERRALS MADE, WE'RE GONNA GET KIND OF A SUMMARIZED BULLET POINT LIST OF THOSE AMENDMENTS OUT TO THE BOARD.
SO YOU HAVE THEM WELL IN ADVANCE OF WHATEVER MEETING
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THE, UH, AMENDMENTS ARE SCHEDULED FOR WHAT STAFF ENVISIONS IS THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE MULTIPLE MEETINGS TO GET THROUGH THE VARIOUS TEXT AND MAP AMENDMENTS.'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A COMPLEX PROCESS AND IN ANY ZONING MAP, UH, OR ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT STATES THE TOWN BOARD WILL REFER THE MATTER TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS REVIEW FOR A REPORT AND A RECOMMENDATION.
AND SOME OF YOU HAVE PROBABLY NOT SEEN THAT AT ALL.
AND THEREFORE I WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A PAST EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING WE DID.
KURT WAS ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME.
LESLIE MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SHORTLY BEFORE YOU, SO I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF READ INTO THE RECORD AND THEN I'LL HAND THIS OUT AFTERWARDS.
BUT IT KIND OF GIVES YOU SOME GUIDANCE ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND WHAT THE PROCEDURE WILL BE RELATED TO THIS FUTURE ZONING TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH.
SO STAFF HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK, UM, PRIMARILY BY COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE, BUT ALSO IN COORDINATION WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, UM, OUR, UH, BUILD, UH, OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CHECKED IN WITH OTHERS.
SO WHAT'S DRIVING THE CHANGE? WELL, REALLY THE COMP PLAN.
THE COMP PLAN TALKS AND HAS GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES RELATED TO UPDATES TO IMPROVE THE ZONING CODE FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
SO STAFF HAS TAKEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME AND LOOKED AT, I'LL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.
THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDS, UH, THE REZONING OF THE URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT WITHIN THE TOWN.
AND THE TOWN HAS CARRIED OUT, UM, REZONING OF CERTAIN PARCELS WITHIN THE URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, THE STRIP OF UR OR URBAN RENEWAL ALONG ONE 19 HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED AND IS STILL ON THE ZONING MAP AND STILL IN THE ZONING, UH, ORDINANCE THAT'S GONNA BE ELIMINATED, THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE ELIMINATED WITH THE AMENDMENTS AND A NEW ZONING DISTRICT TAKE ITS PLACE.
AND THAT WOULD BE, UH, FOR RIGHT NOW IT'S TERMED THE TR TERRYTOWN ROAD MIXED USE DISTRICT.
SO KIND OF FOLLOWING SIMILAR TO THE CA DISTRICT, BUT WITH DIFFERENT USES AND REQUIREMENTS AND WHATNOT.
AND THAT'S, UH, UH, WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY.
SO WE SHOULD TALK, IF I WERE TO SPEAK TO THIS EXAMPLE, WHICH I PREPARED FOR TONIGHT AND SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME ON, UM, IN 2014 AND THEN CONTINUING INTO 2015, UM, LET ME BACK UP.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, PURSUANT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND IT'S SPECIFICALLY SECTION 2 85 64, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS, AS I MENTIONED, THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE.
ANY PART THEREOF, INCLUDING THE ZONING MAP, SUPPLEMENTARY ZONING MAP AND SCHEDULES ATTACHED THERETO MAY BE AMENDED, SUPPLEMENTED CHANGE, MODIFIED OR REPEALED FROM TIME TO TIME BY THE TOWN BOARD ON ITS OWN MOTION UPON RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING BOARD OR BY PETITION OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO THE TOWN BOARD.
EVERY PROPOSED AMENDMENT SHALL BE REFERRED BY THE TOWN BOARD TO THE PLANNING BOARD, AS I MENTIONED, FOR A REPORT AND A RECOMMENDATION THEREON BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING CAN BE HELD BY THE TOWN BOARD.
SO THE SPECIFIC PROPOSAL AND AND RELATED PROJECT THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO, AS I MENTIONED WAS IN 2014 WHERE A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN BOARD INVOLVING A PROPOSAL TO ESTABLISH CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS AS A USE ALLOWABLE BY SPECIAL PERMIT AND THE CENTRAL AVENUE CA MIXED USE IMPACT DISTRICT.
SO CURT, YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT, UM, CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS HAD BEEN ALLOWED IN OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS, EITHER AS OF RIGHT OR BY SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
THE AMENDMENT AT THAT TIME PROPOSED TO CONTAIN THE SAME CONDITIONS AS CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS THAT WERE ALLOWED AS PRINCIPAL USES IN OTHER DISTRICTS.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT AT THAT TIME WAS DEEMED CONSISTENT WITH SPECIFIC GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, INCLUDING POLICY 12.2 0.4, WHICH STATES REVIEW PERMITTED SPECIAL PERMIT AND ACCESSORY USES TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY IN THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS TO THE GREATEST EXTENT PRACTICABLE AND UPDATE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE.
SO THAT FALLS RIGHT IN LINE WITH THAT POLICY POLICY,
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12.2 0.16 STATES REVIEW PERMITTED SPECIAL PERMIT AND ACCESSORY USES TO ENSURE THAT VIABLE USES CONSISTENT WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS OF THE PLAN ARE NOT PRECLUDED.SO IT ALSO MET THAT POLICY AND THERE WAS A FINDING, UM, IT WAS ALSO, IT BEING THAT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT WAS ALSO DEEMED CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 12.7 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH STATES IN PART THAT POLICIES WITHIN THE PLAN CAN BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS APPLIED TO SEVERAL OF THE EXISTING OFFICE SLASH COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ALONG THE TOWN'S PRIMARY MIXED USE CORRIDORS WITH THE GOAL OF MINIMIZING VACANCIES AND ALLOWING FOR PLACES OF BUSINESS TO THRIVE.
SO THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD AND STAFF ARE LOOKING AT IN CONNECTION WITH ZONING, TEXT AND ZONING, UM, MAP AMENDMENTS.
SO WE REFER TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE LOOK TO SEE IF IT'S CONSISTENT.
SOMETIMES THERE MAY BE A PROPOSAL WHERE YOU LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'VE HAD THIS WHERE IF YOU AND ANYONE THAT WANTS A HARD COPY THAT MAY NOT HAVE A HARD COPY, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET ONE OUT TO YOU.
BUT IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE AND IT'S AVAILABLE ONLINE.
UM, BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY WAS THAT YOU MAY HAVE A VERY COMPLEX PROPOSAL, I'M NOT GONNA, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, AND THERE MAY BE 12 DIFFERENT POLICIES, GOALS, OR OBJECTIVES THAT IT'S VERY CONSISTENT WITH.
AND THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO THAT IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH.
AND THERE'S A BALANCE AND THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BOARDS WILL BE LOOKING AT AND SHOULD BE OPINING ON EITHER IN THAT RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD OR THE REPORT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SO GETTING, DO YOU WANT TO, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? DID YOU WANT TO JUMP IN BECAUSE I, I WAS GONNA GET BACK TO THE SPECIFIC, I WANTED TO SAY THE COMP PLAN WAS TWO 15 2015, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO JUST SO WE HAVE A REFERENCE MM-HMM
SO ACTUALLY IT WAS SEPTEMBER, 2016.
SO, UM, GETTING BACK TO THE FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS TO PUT TOGETHER, IT WAS A, IT WAS A LENGTHY PERIOD OF TIME.
THERE WAS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE THAT MET A LOT OF PEOPLE, PUT IN A LOT OF HOURS.
AND IT, IT'S A WELL, WELL-REGARDED DOCUMENT.
IN FACT, UH, THE TOWN RECEIVED AN AWARD WHEN, WHEN THE ZONING CHANGES ARE PRESENTED OR REVIEWED, THE, THE EXISTING OWNERSHIP OF THAT LAND, IS THAT PART OF WHAT'S MADE AVAILABLE TO US? YOU MEAN WHO OWNS IT? MM-HMM
AND WHEN THEY OWNED IT, THE TOWN HAS RECORDS OF OWNERSHIP AND DATES OF OWNERSHIP.
IT, REASON I'M ASKING IS IN MY EXPERIENCE,
SO, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S DRIVING SOME OF THESE CHANGES.
SO THIS SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, I CAN KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO RECEIVE LIKELY IN MAY SOMETIME ARE STAFF DRIVEN, UH, AMENDMENTS.
SO STILL WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE OWNERSHIP.
I MEAN WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IF YOU WANT THE OWNERSHIP OF EVERY PARCEL WITHIN THE CURRENT UR DISTRICT, THAT WOULD BE REZONED.
UM, WE'D WANNA KNOW THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND I'D HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER.
I, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S CHANGED SINCE THIS TOPIC OR THIS PARTICULAR ZONE BECAME THE UR DISTRICT.
THE ONES THAT ARE PART OF THE ONES THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED TO BE REMOVED.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AS I MENTIONED, IS IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF MATERIAL AND IT'S GONNA TAKE MULTIPLE MEETINGS AND WE'RE GONNA, STAFF'S GONNA BREAK UP THE PRESENTATIONS TO FOCUS ON CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE IT WOULD JUST BE TOO MUCH INFORMATION TO TRY AND EVEN DEDICATE A WHOLE MEETING.
EVEN IF WE WERE ABLE TO, IF THE AGENDA WAS LIGHT, IT'D BE IT, IT WILL BE A LOT OF MATERIAL AND HARD TO PROCESS.
SO WE'RE GONNA BREAK IT PROBABLY INTO AT LEAST TWO AND PROBABLY THREE MEETINGS BECAUSE UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED PRELIMINARILY.
BUT WHAT YOU WILL GET UPFRONT AND LIKELY AS EARLY AS LATER THIS WEEK IS KIND OF A SUMMARIZED AND BULLETED LIST OF THE
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PRIMARY MODIFICATIONS OR AMENDMENTS BEING PROPOSED AND WHICH SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THEY RELATE TO.SO ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT THE TOWN CODE INCLUDES MANY, MANY CHAPTERS RELATING TO, YOU KNOW, ALL SORTS OF, UM, ORDINANCES POLICIES.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS ONE CHAPTER WITHIN THE ENTIRE TOWN CODE.
AND WHEN THERE'S AN AMENDMENT PROPOSED OR AMENDMENTS PROPOSED TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THERE BE A REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UH, SO SINCE, 'CAUSE THERE ARE OTHER CHAPTERS, MANY OTHER CHAPTERS IN THE, SO TO ME SINCE SINCE 2016, I WOULD WANNA KNOW WHAT'S CHANGED IN TERMS OF OWNERSHIP IN ANY OF THE ZONED AREAS.
WE WILL HAVE A FURTHER DIS I'M HAPPY TO HAVE, UH, A CONVERSATION WITH YOU AND THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THAT BECAUSE HE'S, YOU KNOW, THE LEAD DRIVER FROM STAFF IN TERMS OF THESE AMENDMENTS.
SO I WOULD WANT HIM TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT YES.
THE IMPACT WITH POTENTIALLY DO MEAN WITH ALL IMPACTED PARCELS.
WHEN YOU SAY WITH HER, DO YOU MEAN WITH ALL OF US? BECAUSE I SORT OF HAVE THE SAME QUESTION ON WHAT'S DRIVING IT.
I'M, I'M SWEAR THE COMMISSIONER IS NOT SAYING IT'S NOT DOING THIS ARBITRARILY.
SO THERE'S A PLAN FOR HOW WE WANT ONE 19 TO EVENTUALLY DEVELOP WHAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE.
AND SO, AND I'M SURE THAT THAT'S LIKE IN HIS HEAD SO THAT THAT'S WHAT IT'S RIGHT IN HERE.
ULTIMATELY, SO IT'S IN THERE AND THEN THERE ARE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AND CONVERSATIONS AMONG STAFF.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GET THAT SUMMARY LIST OUT.
AND THEN THERE ARE THAT ARE IS LIKELY TO GENERATE SOME QUESTIONS.
STAFF WILL GIVE YOU GUIDANCE ON HOW WE ENVISION YOU SUPPLYING ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
BUT WHAT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO OFFER IS AFTER YOU GET THE SUMMARIZED LIST AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD TO REVIEW THE ZONING TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS STAFF IS GONNA BE AVAILABLE TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, YOU KNOW, AT IN HOUR BLOCKS, YOU KNOW, ONE HOUR BLOCKS TO COME IN AND SIT DOWN WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY OR MAYBE IN PAIRS TO GO THROUGH YOUR INITIAL QUESTIONS.
UM, IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
WE'VE DONE THAT WITH OTHER LARGE SCALE AMENDMENTS.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU'RE GETTING IT THE FRIDAY BEFORE THE MEETING AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUANE OR MYSELF IS PRESENTING ON WEDNESDAY AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A QUICK TURNAROUND.
WE WANT TO GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO DIGEST, CONSIDER, ASK QUESTIONS, GET FEEDBACK, ALL OF THAT SO THAT THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PROCESS.
IF I, I CAN GET BACK TO KIND OF WHAT PROCEDURALLY, BECAUSE IN THIS EXAMPLE IT SPEAKS TO IT.
SO AS I MENTIONED, THE CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS AND HOW THAT WAS DEEMED, UM, CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MET CERTAIN POLICIES, EVEN A CERTAIN SECTION OF THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THERE WAS AN APPLICANT AT THAT TIME THAT WAS NOT A STAFF DRIVEN, UH, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
THERE WAS A PROPERTY AT 2 46 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE IN HARTSDALE.
I THINK THE PRIOR USE HAD BEEN LIKE A, MAYBE A DRUG AND RE AND ALCOHOL REHABILITATION CENTER, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
I THINK IT WAS KNOWN AS DAYTOP AT THE CORNER OF CHATTERTON PARKWAY AND CENTRAL PARK AVENUE ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER.
AND IT WAS VACANT AND THERE WAS A PARTY INTERESTED IN ACQUIRING THE BUILDING AND CONVERTING IT TO A CHILD DAYCARE USE.
THEY MET WITH STAFF, STAFF IDENTIFIED THE FACT THAT IT'S SIMPLY NOT A PERMITTED USE IN THE CENTRAL AVENUE MIXED USE DISTRICT.
SO THE APPLICANT RESEARCHED THE CODE AND IDENTIFIED THAT IT WAS PERMITTED, UH, EITHER AS A PRINCIPAL USE OR A SPECIAL PERMIT USE IN OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN.
AND THEY LOOKED AT THE REGULATIONS AND BELIEVED WITH INPUT FROM STAFF THAT THERE WAS THE POTENTIAL TO ALSO ALLOW THAT PARTICULAR USE WITHIN THE CA DISTRICT.
AND THEN THEY FILED A PETITION AND YOU HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA WITHIN THE PETITION.
IT, THE PETITION WAS PROVIDED TO THE STAFF AND THEN TO THE TOWN BOARD AND THEN REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND ONLY AFTER THE REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD, A RECOMMENDATION, A REPORT, A PUB, SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC HEARING BY THE TOWN BOARD AND LIKELY MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WAS IT CONSIDERED FOR A DECISION IT WAS ADOPTED? SO I'M JUST GONNA GO, I KIND OF ALREADY WENT THROUGH MOST OF WHAT I'M GONNA SAY.
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NOTIFICATION, HOW FAR OUT DO YOU GO FOR PUBLIC HEARING? SO FOR, LET ME SPEAK TO THE SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS.AND SO IF WE LOOK AT THE CODE, WHICH IS WHAT I'D LIKE TO QUOTE, UM, I WILL REPORT BACK ON THAT.
I BELIEVE THERE ISN'T A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT VARIES BASED ON WHAT ARE THE POTENTIALLY IMPACTED SITES, RIGHT? SO IF, IF AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, THE THE UPCOMING ZONING TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS WERE STRICTLY, STRICTLY RELATED TO REZONING THE PARCELS ALONG ONE 19 MM-HMM
FROM UR TO TR, THEN I WOULD SUSPECT THAT WE WOULD BE TARGETING THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEN PROPERTIES WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS.
BUT BECAUSE THESE ARE WHOLE SCALE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I WOULDN'T ENVISION THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEND OUT A NOTICE TO EVERY PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE TOWN ABOUT THE AMENDMENTS.
BUT I'M GONNA SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THAT.
I'M JUST ASKING LIKE GENERALLY IF YOU'RE REZONING A POSSIBLE PLAN, WE WOULD TARGET, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA VICINITY, BUT HOW, HOW FAR OUT WHEN YOU TARGET AN AREA, SO IF WE GO TO SPECIAL USE PERMITS, THE CODE IS VERY SPECIFIC, RIGHT? BUT IF IT'S NOT, IT SAYS 500 FEET, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES MM-HMM
SO WHEN IT'S NON-SPECIFIC THEN, YOU KNOW, WE NOTIFY, WE SOMETIMES WE'LL SAY OKAY, 500 FEET, SOMETIMES WE SAY WE WANNA NOTIFY ALL THE CIVIC LEADERS SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE AND PROPERTIES WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE.
IT, WHEN IT THE CODE IS NON-SPECIFIC THEN IT VARIES.
THAT'S THE BEST I CAN GIVE YOU.
AND I THINK JUST TO, JUST TO GIVE YOU, I MEAN A LOT OF THIS THING WAS IN
SO IT WAS LIKE ALWAYS BEING BACK AND FORTH REFERRING TO IT BECAUSE COM
SO, UH, AND MANY TIMES WE ENCOUNTERED OVER LAST MY, MY TIME HERE THAT UH, THEY WILL COME AND, AND, AND GO THROUGH ALL THAT LONG PROCESS TO HAVE THAT ONE PROPERTY BEING ALLOWED OR, AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO WE ALWAYS SAY, UH, WHY WON'T WE HAVE THE, ACTUALLY THE TOWN COULD BE AMENDED SO THAT WE RUN EXACTLY EVERY PROPERTY ON 1 1 9 TO BECOME AND SPEND SO MUCH TIME AND RESOURCES ON THAT.
NO, I, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE INCENTIVE FOR THEM.
AND IT'S GOOD THAT THEY HAVE NOT PICKED UP SOME OF THIS THING IS TO CHANGE.
I'VE JUST SEEN SOME NOT SO GREAT STUFF, RIGHT.
SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT END TO END.
NO, I MEAN THERE IS A, THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT THEY WANTED TO ADD ON TO COMP PLAN.
WE COULD NOT, THEY SAID SORT OF NOT A, NOT A UH, UH, UNDERSTANDING.
AND THEN, UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF OPPOSITION FOR SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO DO.
UH, BUT LIKE SAY WE HAD A WHOLE ENVISION NODES ALONG THE, UH, CENTRAL AVENUE MM-HMM
WHICH WAS NOT IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO IT.
SO, UH, AND, AND I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF HOLES INTO OUR CODE, WHICH IS REALLY NEEDS TO REFLECT TO THE COMPANY.
AND I THINK I'LL DO THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT AMENDMENTS PROPOSED, VERY SIGNIFICANT AMENDMENTS PROPOSED TO CLARIFY A NUMBER OF THINGS TO, IT'S ABOUT, I MEAN IT GETS INTO, YOU KNOW, DEF EVEN CLARIFYING WITHIN DEFINITIONS AND MAKING THINGS MUCH MORE CLEAR.
'CAUSE YOU'LL SEE WITHIN OUR CODE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT DEFINITIONS, THE CODE IS DATED AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE AND STEPH SPENT CONSIDER A COUNTLESS NUMBER OF HOURS TO PUT TOGETHER THIS, THESE SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.
WILL IT ADDRESS EVERYTHING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? NO, BUT IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT STEP.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ONE THING GOING, GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION ABOUT NOTICING.
UM, RECENTLY, WITHIN THE PAST WEEK OR SO, UH, THE TOWN BOARD HAS HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH CIVIC LEADERS ABOUT CREATING A, UH, A SPECIAL LIST WITHIN THE NOTIFYING ME SYSTEM, THE, THE GB LIST FOR FOR PUBLIC NOTICES.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WERE TO SIGN UP FOR THE LIST, YOU KNOW THERE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT VOLUME AND VARIETY OF EMAILS THAT YOU RECEIVE THROUGH THAT LIST.
UM, BUT AS PART OF AN UPCOMING POSTCARD, UM, I THINK THE HOPE IS THAT THERE WOULD BE, UH, A SUGGESTION FOR RESIDENTS TO SIGN UP FOR THIS VERY
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SPECIFIC TAILORED, UH, NOTICE LIST.THAT WAY THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHETHER OR NOT THEY LIVE WITHIN THE LEGALLY REQUIRED NOTICE RADIUS, UH, COULD BE INFORMED ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE CIVICALLY AND HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD.
UM, WHILE NOT RECEIVING ALL OF THE OTHER MORE, UH, LIFESTYLE EMAILS THAT ALSO GO OVER THAT LIST CURRENTLY.
AND SO THE STATE LAW REQUIRES AT LEAST 10 DAYS PRIOR NOTICE AND UM, TO BE SENT TO PROPERTIES WITHIN 500 FEET FOR ZONING, TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS.
SO GOING BACK TO THE EXAMPLE OF THE CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS, UM, THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME, AS I MENTIONED FOR THE PROPERTY AT 2 46 CENTRAL PARK AT HARTSDALE HAD PROPOSED THAT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS, UH, BE UNDER THE TOWN BOARD'S REVIEW AND DETERMINATION AND THE AMENDMENT PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME IN UH, INCLUDED THAT A SITE PLAN ACCEPTABLE TO THE TOWN BOARD AFTER REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING BOARD SHALL BE SUBMITTED, WHICH MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICATION FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL INCLUDE A FULLY DIMENSION DIAGRAM OR FLOOR PLAN SHOWING PLANNED OCCUPANT OR USE OF ALL AREAS INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR TO BE UTILIZED FOR THE DAYCARE, INCLUDING EXITS, FIRE PREVENTION MEASURES, WINDOWS, DOORS, SANITARY FACILITIES, OFF STREET PARKING AND VEHICULAR DROP DROP OFF AREAS.
THREE INAPPROPRIATELY FENCED OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREA PROVIDING ADEQUATE ROOM FOR THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED DAYCARE CENTER.
UM, ON SITE IF SUCH OUTDOOR AREA IS NOT DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE INDOOR AREA OF THE DAYCARE CENTER 'CAUSE WE'RE THINKING OF CHILDREN, A SUPERVISED CROSSWALK SHALL BE PROVIDED BETWEEN THE TWO AREAS.
A MINIMUM DISTANCE SHALL BE PROVIDED BETWEEN ANY PAVED OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, UM, BEING A PORTION OF SUCH OUTDOOR AREA AND ALL LOT LINES SAID, MINIMUM DISTANCE BEING EQUAL TO THE MINIMUM DISTANCE OTHERWISE REQUIRED BETWEEN OFF STREET PARKING AREAS AND LOT LINES.
A MINIMUM DISTANCE OF 10 FEET SHALL BE PROVIDED BETWEEN ALL PORTIONS OF SUCH OUTDOOR AREA AND ALL OFF STREET PARKING AREAS.
AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO A REQUIREMENT FOR LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ON EACH SIDE, UH, BETWEEN THE OUTDOOR AREAS AND ALL LOT LINES.
SO THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF REQUIREMENTS CONTAINED OR PROPOSED WITHIN THAT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT.
SO THEN IT WAS REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD, SO I'M GONNA LEAVE OUT SOME OF THIS 'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT.
SO IT WAS REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THAT WAS BY RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN BOARD ON AUGUST 27TH, 2014, WHERE PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 2 85 64, IT REFERRED THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS I MENTIONED BEFORE FOR REVIEW REPORT AND A RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEWED IT FOR A NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND ON OCTOBER 15TH, 2014, THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF ITS WORK SESSION, HEARD A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
IT DISCUSSED THE AMENDMENT AND AT ITS MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD MADE SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS TO THE PETITIONER AT THAT TIME.
NOW THAT WAS A PRIVATE ENTITY, IT DID NOT ORIGINATE FROM STAFF.
SO THEY MADE IT DIRECTLY TO THE APPLICANT THAT HAD SUBMITTED THE PETITION TO REZONE CENTRAL PARK AVENUE OR TO ALLOW FOR THE CHILD DAYCARE USES WITHIN THE CA DISTRICT.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD HAD THE FOLLOWING, UM, SUGGESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME.
ONE WAS A MODIFICATION TO THE LANGUAGE OF THE PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE DAYCARE CENTER PROVISIONS OF OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN AND TO BE COMPLIANT WITH NEW YORK STATE STANDARDS, INCLUDING A LIST OF SPECIFIC SPECIAL PERMIT STANDARDS.
TWO, A MODIFICATION TO THE PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE INFORMATION ON SECURITY ISSUES AND PICK UP AND DROP OFF PROTOCOLS.
'CAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE DEALING WITH CHILDREN, YOUNG CHILDREN.
AND THREE, A MODIFICATION TO THE PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO PROVIDE THE PLANNING BOARD RATHER THAN THE TOWN BOARD WITH APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER THIS SPECIAL PERMIT USE.
SO THE PETITIONER WROTE IT UP AND MADE THE PETITION THAT THE TOWN BOARD WOULD BE THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
THE PLANNING BOARD SUGGESTED THAT IT BE THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY.
SO THOSE WERE SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT IT MADE TO THE PETITIONER ON, SO THAT WAS IN OCTOBER.
IN NOVEMBER THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A
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REVISED PETITION IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS ISSUED BY THE PLANNING BOARD IN OCTOBER.FINALLY, ON DECEMBER 3RD, SO THE FOLLOWING MONTH, THE PLANNING BOARD AT A WORK SESSION, UM, HEARD PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT ON THE MODIFICATIONS MADE AND DISCUSSED ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, IT ALSO DISCUSSED ITS REPORT TO THE, TO THE TOWN BOARD.
SO I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY GO THROUGH WHAT KIND OF THE CONSIDERATIONS ARE WITH RESPECT TO, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A PLANNING BOARD REPORT? IT'S LAID OUT WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
YOU MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH WHAT THOSE ARE AND I'LL MAYBE TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
THE WAY THE CODE READS PURSUANT TO THE TOWN'S ZONING ORDINANCE IN MAKING ITS REPORT ON ANY PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, THE PLANNING BOARD SHALL MAKE INQUIRY AND DETERMINATION CONCERNING THE SPECIFIC ITEMS BELOW.
NUMBER ONE, CONCERNING A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO OR CHANGE IN THE TEXT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
A, WHETHER SUCH CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AIMS AND PRINCIPLES EMBODIED IN THE CHAPTER AS TO THE PARTICULAR DISTRICT'S CONCERNED.
SO IN THE REPORT, I'LL READ THIS EXAMPLE, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD IN ITS REPORT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD, STATED THE FOLLOWING SECTION 2 85 DASH 29 POINT A2 THROUGH FOUR OF THE CODE OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG SETS FORTH A STATEMENT OF PURPOSE AND INTENT FOR THE CA CENTRAL AVENUE MIXED USE IMPACT DISTRICT.
THE PRINCIPAL INTENT OF THE CA DISTRICT IS TO RELATE TO THE MAXIMUM DI DENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT PERMITTED FOR THE CENTRAL AVENUE CORRIDOR AS A WHOLE TO THE PRESENT TRAFFIC CARRYING CAPACITY OF THE ROAD AND ITS INTERSECTIONS, AS WELL AS TO FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS WHICH WILL INCREASE THE TRAFFIC CARRYING CAPACITY, INCLUDING ALLOWANCES FOR EXISTING TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC GENERATED FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER TRAFFIC AFFECTING THE CENTRAL AVENUE CORRIDOR, AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC, ENVIRONMENTAL, AND OTHER IMPACT FACTORS.
THREE, THE INTENT OF THE CA CA DISTRICT IS ALSO TO PERMIT FLEXIBILITY IN THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF INDIVIDUAL SITES SO THAT A MIXTURE OF VARIOUS, UM, COMPATIBLE TYPES OF LAND USES CAN BE DEVELOPED AS MULTIPLE USE DEVELOPMENTS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER.
THUS THE EXTERNAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS WILL THEREBY BE REDUCED AND THEREFORE AN ADJUSTMENT IS MADE IN THE MAXIMUM INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS REDUCED IMPACT.
SO THESE WERE SOME OF THE REPORTED FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD IDENTIFIED THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS AS A USE ALLOWABLE BY SPECIAL PERMIT.
AND THE CA DISTRICT, THE PLANNING BOARD BELIEVED THAT THE POTENTIAL FOR CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO A BETTER MIX OF USES IN THE DISTRICT AND HELP ALLEVIATE VACANCIES ALONG THE AVENUE.
THE PETITION CONTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR APPROPRIATELY FENCED OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREAS AND LANDSCAPING BUFFERS, WHICH WOULD ENSURE THE CONTINUED SAFE AND HARMONIOUS CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING SITES AND THEIR USES.
I'LL GO THROUGH THE OTHER KIND OF, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE REPORT, BUT THEN I'LL CUT TO THE CHASE AT THE END.
SO ADDITIONALLY, IN MAKING ITS REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO CONSIDER WHICH AREAS LAND USES BUILDINGS AND ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE TOWN WILL BE DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY SUCH CHANGE AND IN WHAT WAY THEY WILL BE AFFECTED.
SO, AND THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD HAS A DISCUSSION, IT LEANS ON STAFF SOMEWHAT TO PREPARE, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A DRAFT AND THEN THE PLANNING BOARD ADDS ADJUST AND MODIFIES AS NECESSARY.
AND CHRIS'S PROBABLY BEEN THROUGH FIVE OR SIX, MAYBE EVEN 10 CHANGES.
SO I'M SORRY, THAT PART RIGHT THERE MM-HMM
WHERE WE'RE WRITING A REPORT AS A GROUP BASICALLY, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WE GIVE YOU KIND OF THE TEMPLATE AND THEN THE PLANNING BOARD FILLS IN THE GAPS, EDITS, ADJUSTS, ADDS TO DELETES AS NECESSARY BECAUSE IT'S ASKING WHETHER WE FEEL CERTAIN BUSINESSES AND SUCH AND SUCH WOULD BE AFFECTED, WHICH MEANS TO ME THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF, UM, RESEARCH BACKUP MM-HMM
SO I'LL EVEN TELL YOU WHAT THE REPORT STATED WITH RESPECT TO THAT CRITERIA IN CONNECTION WITH CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS, IT SAYS THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT APPLIED
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ONLY TO EXISTING BUILDINGS OR PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CA DISTRICT THAT COULD MEET THE CRITERIA ESTABLISHED FOR THIS TYPE OF SPECIAL PERMIT USE, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO THOSE THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO PROVIDE AN APPROPRIATELY FENCED OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREA, PROPER PICKUP AND DROP OFF PROTOCOLS AND COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW YORK STATE OFFICE OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES AND NEW YORK STATE BUILDING AND FIRE CODES.THE PLANNING BOARD NOTED THAT EVERY ATTEMPT WAS MADE TO PROVIDE CONSISTENT REGULATIONS THROUGHOUT THE TOWN CODE WHERE A CHILD DAYCARE CENTER USE IS PERMITTED OR ALLOWABLE BY SPECIAL PERMIT.
UM, THE THIRD IS THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD CONSIDER THE INDIRECT IMPLICATIONS OF SUCH CHANGE AND ITS EFFECT ON OTHER REGULATIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A RELIANCE ON STAFF TO KIND OF GIVE THE BOARD INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO THAT.
CAN WE GET INDEPENDENT INFORMATION? SURE.
UM, D WHETHER SUCH PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AIMS OF THE OFFICIAL PLANNING POLICIES OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ADA, THIS PREDATED THE COMP PLAN BY THE WAY.
UM, I WAS MERELY POINTING OUT THAT IT ULTIMATELY WAS CONSISTENT WITH CERTAIN POLICIES, BUT COMP PLAN IS THE OFFICIAL PLANNING POLICY OR ONE OF THE OFFICIAL PLANNING POLICIES.
UM, SO LET ME WEED OUT SOME OF THIS AND STATE THAT FOLLOWING.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD ULTIMATELY ISSUED A ITS RECOMMENDATION AND REPORT AND FOLLOWING THE ISSUANCE OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION AND REPORT AND A SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC HEARING BY THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD ULTIMATELY APPROVED A RESOLUTION ADOPTING A LOCAL LAW AMENDING CHAPTER 2 85 DASH 29.1, WHICH IS THE CA DISTRICT OF THE CODE OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO INCLUDE THE CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS WITHIN THE CA A DISTRICT AS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SINCE, AND THIS IS WHERE I WANTED TO CLOSE SINCE ADOPTION OF THOSE AMENDMENTS, THE FOLLOWING PROJECTS INVOLVING CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS WERE SUBMITTED, APPROVED, AND ARE CURRENTLY IN OPERATION NUMBER ONE.
IT'S NOW KNOWN AS VIVI HARTSDALE, THAT'S 2 46 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH IN HARTSDALE.
UM, AT THE TIME OF THE PETITION, IT WAS, UM, ENVISIONED AS NOT LIGHTBRIDGE KITTY ACADEMY, I THINK, I THINK NUMBER TWO, LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY, WHICH IS OPEN AND OPERATING AT 5 29 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH IN SCARSDALE.
AND THREE, SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER LITTLE DRAGON DAYCARE AT ONE 30 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH THAT'S IN THE CHURCH PROPERTY.
AND THEY, THEY PUT THE, THAT'S CALLED LITTLE DRAGON.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIGHT BRIDGE.
THE CHURCH, THEY WERE USING THEIR PARKING LOT AND YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND WE HAD THE ONE-WAY CIRCULATION MM-HMM
SO THAT PARTICULAR ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND ADOPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD RESULTED IN THE INCLUSION, AS I MENTIONED OF CHILD DAYCARE, UH, CENTERS WITHIN THE CA DISTRICT.
IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN REPURPOSING TWO VACANT BUILDINGS AT 2 46 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE WAS A VACANT BUILDING AND THE, THE LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY AT 5 29 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE WAS, I BELIEVE THE OLD ELKS CLUB THAT WAS VACANT.
UM, IT CREATED NEW JOBS AND SUPPORTED CHILDREN WITH CHILDREN WITH EARLY LEARNING DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL AS HELPING OUT WORKING PARENTS.
SO WE FEEL WHEN WE LOOK BACK AT THAT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, IT WAS SUCCESSFUL IN A NUMBER OF WAYS.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION.
I KNOW IT'S A LOT, BUT THAT WAS A SUCCESSFUL JOB.
BUT YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU ENDED IT OVER A BACK JOB.
SO I'M GONNA HAND THIS OUT BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN RECITE EVERYTHING 'CAUSE IT JUST WOULD'VE BEEN GOING ON FOR TOO LONG.
BUT THIS GIVES YOU SOME INSIGHT OF WHAT WE DID IN THAT CASE AND GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THINGS YOU WANNA LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, GET MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE COMP PLAN.
STAFF'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, GIVING YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION AS WELL, BUT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND HOW CERTAIN AMENDMENTS, YOU KNOW, TIE IN WITH THE COMP PLAN, THAT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE WAY, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE ONE-ON-ONE SESSIONS AND IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIG PROPOSAL.
I MEAN, THERE ARE A NUM YOU CAN TAKE ONE AT THAT SAID, UM, IT'S A BIG PROPOSAL, SO IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME.
WE KNOW IT'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE MEETINGS AS I MENTIONED BEFORE.
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YOU KNOW, SECTIONS SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVERWHELMING YOU ALL.WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO, UM, THESE LITTLE UPDATES ALONG THE WAY AS MEETINGS ARE LIGHT WHEN WE HAVE MAYBE 20 OR 30 MINUTES.
I KNOW MS. MCNA IS WORKING ON ONE THAT WE DID IN THE PAST AND SO IS MR. BRITTEN.
SO WE'LL DO THOSE IN THE FUTURE TO HELP YOU OUT AND GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE AND BACKGROUND ON OTHER AMENDMENTS.
WHAT SORT OF TIMEFRAME IS THE TOWN HOPING TO AFFECT THESE ZONING AMENDMENTS BY, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, IDEALLY SOONER.
I MEAN, I WOULD WHAT JUST A LOOSE TIMELINE IF AGAIN, IT'S ON FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE TOWN BOARD ON THE REFERRAL THIS WEDNESDAY EVENING.
IF IT'S REFERRED, WE JUST ADDED THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO OUR MEETING ON MAY 7TH.
WE WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER IT, IS THERE ENOUGH TIME FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE SUMMARIZED LIST AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE FULL, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO KIND OF DIGEST AND MEET WITH US.
PROBABLY WOULD NOT DISCUSS THIS ON MAY 7TH.
SO POTENTIALLY FIRST DISCUSSION WOULD BE MAY 21ST POTENTIALLY, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE FUTURE MEETINGS DEPENDING ON HOW THOSE THINGS WENT.
UM, I WOULD ENVISION THE PLANNING BOARD PROBABLY ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION AND REPORT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD SOMETIME OVER THE SUMMER AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD CARRYING OUT PUBLIC HEARINGS SOMETIME THEREAFTER.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IS, I THINK THAT'S A LOOSE TIME END OF THE YEAR IS PROBABLY MORE REALISTIC.
MEANING, SO IF THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE TOWN BOARD ISN'T UNTIL SEP LATER SEPTEMBER, THEY HAVE A FEW PUBLIC HEARINGS, YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S, I DON'T KURT'S FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE PROCESS.
THIS IS REALLY WAS NEEDED FOR A LONG TIME.
UH, HOW MUCH OF THE ACTUAL ZONING MAP IS GONNA BE
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ZONING MAP M CHANGES.
AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T, I'D LOVE TO SEE OWNERSHIP.
YEAH, SO THE M 30 DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN M SIX, WE HAVE, UM, M 14 MANY MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS WITHIN THE TOWN, BUT THE M 30 IS A NEWLY PROPOSED.
THE 30 IS 30 WHAT? 30 APARTMENTS? 30.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE COMMISSIONER.
I HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT THAT.
WELL, WHAT DOES THE LY STAND FOR? 30 UNITS PER ACRE.
WELL, SO I KNOW R 10 TO BE 10,000 SQUARE FEET RIGHT? PER LOT.
THIS ONE IS, WHERE IS IT PER LOT, RIGHT? SORRY, WHERE IS IT? UM, I BELIEVE IN TOTALITY IT IS OFF OF MANHATTAN AVENUE 30.
THERE ARE TWO, TWO PARCELS IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
I, I WISH, DON'T THINK THEY CAN DO ARE WE DOING, ARE WE IN A OH, I'M SORRY.
I JUST DONE IS WHAT? DONE THE MEETING? UM, WELL YEAH, IT IS SO WE'LL CLOSE AT 9:23 PM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND PATIENCE IN ME EXPLAINING SOMETHING THAT'S FAIRLY DETAILED.
BUT I WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN INTRODUCTION BE PARTICULARLY FOR OUR NEWER MEMBERS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN A ZONING TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENT.
WE UNDERSTAND IT TAKES TIME AND WE WANT YOU TO BE PREPARED TO PUT IN THE TIME AND TO WHEN YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, REACH OUT.
OUR PHONES AND EMAILS ARE ALWAYS OPEN AND WE'RE HAPPY TO GET BACK TO YOU AND MEET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY.