[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AGENDA THURSDAY, May 15, 2025 – 7:00 P.M. ]
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THE MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
WE HAVE FIVE CASES SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
LOOKING FORWARD, THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON THURSDAY, JUNE 12TH.
PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDAR ACCORDINGLY.
BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT WE NEED TO HEAR TONIGHT, WE MAY LIMIT EACH CASE TO 20 OR 25 MINUTES.
IF WE CANNOT FINISH HEARING A CASE, IT WILL BE ADJOURNED TO ANOTHER MEETING TO BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME, AS IN THE PAST.
IN ORDER TO SAVE TIME, WE WILL WAIVE A READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH CASE.
HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD.
THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TONIGHT'S CASES, THE BOARD WILL MEET TO DISCUSS EACH CASE.
EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE AT THAT TIME.
AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS ON ALL THE CASES, WE THEN WILL ANNOUNCE THE BOARD'S DECISIONS FOR THE FORMAL RECORD AND BROAD AND BROADCAST THEM TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, YOU MUST COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.
WE'VE HEARD TESTIMONY ON SOME OF THE CASES OF PRIOR MEETINGS.
ALL PRIOR TESTIMONY IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD AND SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED.
AND THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE, WE WILL HEAR TESTIMONY ON TONIGHT IS CASE 24 31.
JOSE AND JANARI KOTO, 19 PRIMROSE AVENUE WEST.
JANARI AND JOSE CATO, 19 PRIMROSE HONORABLE CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE GREENBERG ZONING BOARD.
WE WANNA ADDRESS SOME POINTS STATED BY MR. SPIN AND MR. ZAMAN AS THEY OPPOSE HAVING A VARIANCE APPROVED BY THE TIME THEY ARGUED THAT IT WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A SIDE DRIVEWAY AND A ZERO SETBACK.
THEY ALSO ARGUED THAT THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN AN EYESORE FOR OVER 15 YEARS AND IT SHOULD NOT BE LIVABLE.
LASTLY, THEY ARGUED THAT OUR DRIVEWAY WAS CAUSING AN OVERFLOW OF WATER TO MR. SPIN'S BASEMENT.
HOWEVER, AFTER FURTHER RESEARCH, I WILL PROVE THIS ISN'T TRUE.
I'M GONNA JUST STATE TA UM, FACTS.
THE FOLLOWING ARE SOME OF OUR INITIAL CONCLUSIONS BASED ON REVIEW OF THIS DATA AND CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD.
WE'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST A YEAR ACCORDING TO THE FOILS RECEIVED AND CONFIRMED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THE HOTEL FARMS COMMUNITY HAS OVER 11 PROPERTIES OUT OF 28 PROPERTIES CAPTURED ON THE MAP ATTACHED WITH ZERO SETBACK.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, I THINK WOULD BE THE FIFTH, THE FIFTH PAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IF, UH, MR. GARRETT WANTS TO PUT IT UP SO THAT EVERYBODY COULD SEE WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THIS TOOK ME A LOT OF RESEARCH.
SO THE HILLTOP FARMS COMMUNITY HAS 11 PROPERTIES OUT OUT OF 28 PROPERTIES THAT I CAPTURED ON THE MAP ATTACHED WITH ZERO SETBACKS OR VERY CLOSE TO IT.
IF YOU WANNA PUT IT UP, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
IN FACT, MR. ESP NEIGHBOR ON THE LEFT 21 PRIMOS AVENUE HAS NEGATIVE ZERO SETBACK.
HE ALSO DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT FOR HIS GOBBLES STONE HE INSTALLED IN 2004.
IT'S ALL VERIFIED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
39.28% OF THE HOUSES IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE ZERO SETBACKS.
WE FOUND FIVE PROPERTIES WITH NO PERMITS ON THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
SURPRISINGLY, MR. SIMON'S, UH, NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT 17 PRIMOS AVENUE, UM,
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DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT OF HIS DRIVEWAY OR GARAGE EDITION, AS WELL AS THE GOBBLE STONE HE INSTALLED IN HIS DRIVEWAY.I ALSO FOUND FOUR HOUSES, WHICH HAVE THEIR GARAGES ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND NOT IN THE FRONT.
EVERYTHING IS COLOR CODED, SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE TOP EVERYTHING I COLOR CODED.
SO YOU CAN SEE, ACCORDING TO ALL THE HOUSES THAT I FOUND CONFIRMED WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT MM-HMM
MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THAT HAVING ZERO SETBACK A DRIVEWAY WITHOUT A PERMIT AND A SIDE GARAGE VERY COMMON IN THIS COMMUNITY.
THEREFORE, IN NO WAY WE ARE CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF HILLTOP FARMS. IN FACT, WE HAVE ALREADY MADE THIS COMMUNITY'S EQUITY GROW AND PROVE IT THAT THIS HOUSE IS LIVABLE.
SO YOU CAN ALSO SEE EVERYTHING I'M SAYING IS FACTS.
I'M SHOWING PICTURES AND PROOF OF EVERYTHING THAT I'M SAYING.
SO YOU COULD LOOK AT THE PICTURES THE WAY IT USED TO LOOK, THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW, IT EVEN LOOKS BETTER INSIDE.
NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE ARGUMENT OF STORM WATER RUNOFF, WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY ASSIST, NOR DO YOU AND SEE THIS AS AN UNJUSTIFIED CLAIM.
SO WE, WE GOT A LETTER FROM THE SELLER, AND HE STATED ON THIS LETTER, WHICH YOU HAVE NOW, UM, I BELIEVE IS PAGE SIX OR SEVEN, HE STATED, UM, I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 1981.
IT HAD A TWO CAR GARAGE TOWARDS THE BACK AND DRIVEWAY AT THE FRONT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
NOW THIS LETTER HAS BEEN NOTARIZED, OKAY? A PROPERTY LINE WELL MARKED BY VEGETATION TREES, A FENCE AND GOBBLE STONES MARKED THE BORDER WITH THE SPIN PROPERTY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
NO ISSUE WAS RAISED CONCERNING THIS LINE.
THERE WAS NO ISSUE OF THIS CONTRIBUTING TO FLOODING IN THE SPIN DRIVEWAY, WHICH WAS CAUSED BY FAULTY DRAIN IN THEIR DRIVEWAY, NOT OURS.
I AM, UM, I AND OTHER NEIGHBORS WOULD, WHEN AWARE OF FLOODING CLEAR THE BLOCKED DRAIN.
THE PROBLEM WAS NOT CAUSED BY RUNOFF FROM 19 PRIMOS.
OUR DRIVEWAY DRAINED INTO THE BACKYARD IN EARLY 21 CENTURY.
I INCREASINGLY WAS AWARE FROM MY HOME TO ASSIST FAMILY MEMBERS AND YOUNG CHILDREN AFTER A FEW YEARS, UM, OF BEING AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY.
UM, AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE, OUR NAMES ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG DEAL IN THE BEGINNING.
EVERYBODY WAS WONDERING WHERE OUR NAMES WERE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERN, YOU CAN EMAIL ME AT AND YOU'LL SEE HIS EMAIL THERE.
I ALSO GOT A LETTER FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ON JUNE 7TH, WHICH YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
WHERE THERE WAS A COMPLAINT ABOUT OUR DRIVEWAY, BUT IT WASN'T ABOUT A WATER RUNOFF.
IT SAYS THE COMPLAINT DRIVEWAY EXPANDED INSIDE THE PROPERTY WITHOUT BENEFIT OF PERMIT.
NEIGHBOR NO LONGER HAS A PLACE TO PUT HIS SNOW.
A FACT IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU.
I ALSO HAVE A VIDEO THAT I WAS WONDERING IF YOU GUYS SAW IT, AN AUDIO, UM, OF HIM LITERALLY THREATENING US AND TELLING US OBJECTION.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S JUST DEAL WITH WHAT WE CAN DECIDE.
THE, THE ISSUE IS THAT THE CBA BOARD HAS MADE US DO THINGS ANCE OUR VARIANCE IS FOR ZERO SETBACK, BUT WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED FOR THE LAST MONTHS IS WATER RUNOFF, NOT ZERO SETBACK.
SO THAT, SO THAT'S WHY, UH, MS. BERNINE SMITH, I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. BLAND SAID WAS, I WANT TO HEAR FACTS, AND THIS IS WHAT I'M SHARING WITH YOU, IS PROOF OF FACTS.
IN THIS AUDIO, MR. SPIN IS SAYING, WHERE AM I GONNA PUT MY SNOW? YOU GOTTA RIP UP THE DRIVEWAY.
NOW I'M ASKING THE CBA RESPECTFULLY.
I SENT THE VIDEO, AND I WANTED TO KNOW RESPECTFULLY IF YOU GUYS WATCHED THE VIDEO.
THAT'S NOT, I, I I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING SO THAT, AND, AND I, AND I KNOW YOU'RE NEW TO THE PROCESS.
WHEN I WAS SAYING, LET'S STAY ON THE FACTS.
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID YOU ARE RAISING ELEPHANT IN THE BACKYARD.
THAT DOES NOT SWAY OUR DECISION.
SO EVEN SOME OF THE POINTS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, WHICH ARE ALSO OPEN, NO ONE HAS GOTTEN CAUGHT UP WITH WHERE HIS SNOW IS GONNA GO OR WHERE IT'S NOT GOING TO GO.
SO THAT EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO KIND OF BRING FORTH WHAT THEY BELIEVE
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IS FACT FICTION OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.THE POINT IS, IS THAT IN THE ZONING LAW FOR WHICH MM-HMM
YOU WERE IN VIOLATION RIGHT? WAS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A ZERO SETBACK.
SO IN ALL OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS RIGHT NOW, AND THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE, NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH OTHER CASES, RIGHT.
THAT YOU ELOQUENTLY DI DEMONSTRATED IN YOUR MAP NOW.
THAT IT ACTUALLY NOW EXACERBATES YES.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE, THE FACTORS THAT WE HAVE TO USE IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE CHARACTER, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, OR WHATEVER.
IN FACT, IN CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING, YES.
EVEN THOUGH EVERYONE ELSE HAS IT, EVERYONE CANNOT JUST STEAL FROM THE BANK.
SO JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE PUT THEIR HAND IN THE TILL DOESN'T ALSO MAKE IT CORRECT FOR YOU TO HAVE YOUR HAND IN THE TILL.
SO THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT ON THE MERIT OF WHAT YOU SAID? YES.
AND WE WERE GENTLY PUSHING YOU IN A DIRECTION TO MAKE SOME MODEST CHANGES.
SO THEY WOULD HELP US MAKE A DETERMINATION.
AND THIS IS KIND OF MOVING IN A DIRECTION.
WE WERE SAYING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
BUT, UM, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, A LOT OF THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN TOLD TO US HAS NOT BEEN ABOUT ZERO SETBACK.
THEY HAVE BEEN ABOUT THE WATER OVERFLOW.
WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY DECISIONS.
YOU, YOU HAVE TOLD US, HEY, TAKE THE GARAGE OUT, TAKE THIS OFF.
AND ALL OF THAT WAS NOT BECAUSE OF THE ZERO SETBACK.
THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE ZERO BACK.
THE SETBACKS ARE PUT IN PLACE TO MANAGE THINGS LIKE WATER.
THAT'S HOW THE RELATIONSHIP EXISTS.
SO THAT IS, THERE IS A CONNECTION.
BUT THE ONLY REASON THAT CAME UP WAS BECAUSE MR. SPIN CAME UP HERE SAYING THAT HE WAS HAVING THERE.
I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT CRAZY.
I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT AT ALL.
I DON'T WANNA EMBARRASS ANYBODY, SO I'M NOT GONNA PUT ON THE VIDEO.
HE WAS APPALLED AT THE ACCUSATION FOR 30 YEARS WHEN MR. STERN WAS PRESENT IN HIS HOME.
MR. SPIN NEVER EVER SPOKE ABOUT HIS ISSUE OF WATER FLOW WATER DUE TO HIS DRIVEWAY.
MOREOVER, THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE WRITTEN COMPLAINT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT VERIFYING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REGARDING FOR OVER 50 TO 60 YEARS.
SO MY QUESTION STANDS, WHY DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE STORM WATER RUNOFF? RIGHT? THERE ARE NO FACTS THAT THIS IS TRUE.
FACTS ARE BEING REQUIRED FROM ME.
WHY AREN'T THEY BEING REQUIRED BY THE COMPLIANT OF THE NEIGHBOR? THAT'S A QUESTION.
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR.
SO WHEN THAT'S ADDRESSED BY THE NEIGHBORS, WHY ISN'T THAT ANSWER ALSO TOLD THEM? THAT'S NOT WHY WE ARE HERE FOR IT.
WHEN THE NEIGHBORS COME BEFORE US, WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
SINCE OUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH TOWN OFFICIALS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA.
WE HAVE EVALUATED OUR DRIVEWAY.
THE DRIVEWAY IS ON PRIMOS AVENUE AND HAVE ARRIVED AT OUR BEST SUGGESTION TO RESOLVE THE MATTER.
AACHI WILL FIND A SITE PLAN PREPARED BY SILVA, UM, CAESAR BUSANTE, WHICH REVEALS A MODIFICATION TO OUR DRIVEWAY.
WE HAVE ELIMINATED THE MEADE FOR THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY LEADING TO THE PREVIOUS LEAVE REMOVED GARAGE.
AND WE'LL, OKAY, SO I'M, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT.
'CAUSE THAT WAS FOR THE LAST TIME.
I'M GONNA ADDRESS THE SIX POINTS THAT THE CBA GAVE ME TO ADDRESS AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
I'M GONNA ANSWER EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR, UM, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
NUMBER ONE, REMOVAL OF MACADAM PAVEMENT FROM THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AS WAS NOTED DURING THE NOVEMBER 14TH, 2024 PRE, UH, PRESENTED.
SEE ATTACHED, NOTED LABELED I AM SAYING WE WILL REMOVE ALMOST ALL THE AREA OF NUMBER ONE AFTER SPEAKING WITH OUR ARCHITECT AND THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
WE NEED 10 FEET FROM THE GARAGE TO THE BACKYARD TO BE ABLE TO BACK UP THE CAR AND POSITION THE CAR TO EXIT THE GARAGE.
SO WE WILL REMOVE EVERYTHING FOR THE EXCEPTION OF 10 FEET.
NUMBER TWO, REMOVAL AT A MINIMUM OF THE MACADAMIAN DRIVEWAY LABELED AREA TWO, WHICH PURSUANT TO THE JOINT SUBMITTED IS PAVEMENT THAT EXTENDS INTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
WE WILL REMOVE AREA NUMBER TWO.
NUMBER THREE, AN ALTERNATIVE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION WITH, WITH DETAILED MEASUREMENTS, UM, WHICH RELOCATES THE DRIVEWAY IN AN EASTERLY DIRECTION CLOSER TO YOUR HOUSE AND AWAY FROM THE ADJOURNING WESTERLY PROPERTY, REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE SETBACK REQUESTED.
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AT WHAT I GAVE YOU GUYS, YOU REQUESTED 11 BY 14.I MADE IT BIGGER, MADE IT VERY COLORFUL SO EVERYBODY COULD UNDERSTAND.
I HOPE YOU CAN APPRECIATE MY ARTWORK.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK IT UP, IF YOU PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN, I THINK I COULD EXPLAIN IT MORE.
IF YOU LOOK, YOU LOOK AT THE MAP.
WE ALL HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO.
WE CAN SEE, ATTACH AN ALTERNATIVE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION, KEEPING THE LAW OF THE MINIMUM OF EIGHT FEET.
WE WILL GO OUT AS MUCH AS TWO FEET EASTERLY AND WESTERLY TO REACH, REDUCE THE SETBACK REQUESTED.
WE STRONGLY CONSIDERED MOVING THE DRIVEWAY FIVE TO SEVEN FEET.
HOWEVER, THE REASON WHY WE CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THIS IS BECAUSE THE TURNING RADIUS INTO THE GARAGE PREVENTS THAT.
THEREFORE, WE ARE SCALING IT BACK TO ACCOMMODATE INSTALLING A CURB ON THE ALAC AND SOME GREENERY.
AND SOME GREENERY IN SOME GREEN GREENERY.
SO, UM, WE, WE HAD THE, UH, ENGINEER OF THE TOWN COME OUT TO OUR HOUSE SO THAT HE CAN GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT TO DO.
AND THIS WAS HIS RECOMMENDATION.
YOU ALSO SEE THERE IN THE MIDDLE, IT'S EIGHT FEET AND 10 INCHES.
OKAY? THIS IS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY GETS THE SKINNIEST.
SO THAT'S WHY WE CAN ONLY DO TWO FEET.
I HOPE YOU CAN APPRECIATE THAT.
NUMBER FOUR, CONSIDER A SCREENING AND OR PLANTING PLANTS FOR A BUFFER AREA BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND PROPERTY LINE.
WHERE POSSIBLE TO REDUCE THE IMPACT OF REDUCED SIZE YARD VARIANCE.
THIS PLANT SHOULD INCLUDE THE TYPES OF PLANTING AND OUR SCREENING MATERIALS TO BE USED.
SO I SAID WE WILL SOIL AND GRASP THE BUFFER AREA BETWEEN THE DRIVEWAY AND OUR PROPERTY LINE.
WE WILL ALSO REMOVE THE STRIP OF AFLAC PAVEMENT AS, I'M SORRY, AFO PAVEMENT THAT IS ENCROACHING ONTO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND RESTORE IT WITH SOD FOR A PERMANENT AND QUICKER STABILIZATION APPROVED BY THE TOWN CIVIL ENGINEER VINNY FEDERICI.
I MISSPELLED IT THERE, BUT YOU CAN CONFIRM WITH HIM.
I ALSO HAVE THE EMAILS OF WHAT HE EMAILED ME.
DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS THE INCORPORATION OF A NEW DRYWALL SYSTEM AND A CURBING AND OR CURBING TO REDIRECT RUNOFF AWAY FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY TO THE WEST, REDUCING THE SIZE OF THE SETBACK REQUESTED.
AFTER FURTHER CONSIDERATION, AFTER FURTHER CONSULTATION WITH THE TOWN SILVER ENGINEER, WE ARE INSTALLING A CURVE TO DIVERT, DIRECT THE CATCH RUNOFF AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
WE ALSO INSTALLED ON THE GROUND PING PIPING ATTACHED THREE GUTTERS TO CATCH ALL THE WATER FROM THE GUTTER DRAINS AND BRING IT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
ALSO APPROVED BY THE TOM ENGINEER VINNY RICCI.
SO YOU CAN GO, UM, I, I, I SENT YOU GUYS PICTURES.
I HOPE YOU I'M, I'M SURE YOU GUYS LOOKED AT THAT OF ALL THE PIPING AND HOW IT WAS UNDERGROUND.
NOW THIS ACTUALLY IS MAKING IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
'CAUSE THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE PIPES UNDERNEATH THE GROUND, BUT WE DO.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD COMMENT TO MAKE.
REMOVAL, REDUCTION OF THE PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY LEADING TO THE 4 0 1 CAR GARAGE.
UM, IN AREA THREE, THIS WAS ALREADY REMOVED.
AND GREENERY, TREES AND BUSHES WERE ALREADY PLANTED.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, THIS IS ALMOST EXACTLY HOW IT LOOKS.
THE GREENERY WE JUST PUT PUT, WE PUT THE TREES IN THE FRONT.
WE PUT THE MULCH, WE PUT THE TREES ON THE SIDE.
WHEN YOU PASS BY THIS HOUSE, WE'VE DONE, I HAVE A YES.
I'M SORRY TO SURE INTERRUPT YOU.
SO WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THE PIPING AND EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE.
AGAIN, APPROVED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER.
IT SAYS REMOVE GARAGE, WHICH WAS THAT ORIGINAL GARAGE.
I DON'T THINK WE EVER RECOMMENDED FOR YOU TO REMOVE THAT GARAGE.
IS THAT SOMETHING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DID? IT WAS TO REMOVE THE GARAGE DOOR MM-HMM
BUT WE DID NOT, THE ZBA A DID THAT, THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS MADE FROM THE ZONING BOARD TO CHANGE THE AESTHETIC.
WILLIAM MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
YOU COULD LOOK AT THE FIRST VIDEO.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOU'RE NOT ON THE MIC.
WE ALSO REMOVED, SO THERE WAS A, A SIDEWALK ALONG THE SIDE OF THE, OF THE HOUSE, WHICH CEMENT REMOVED THAT WE REMOVE THE STAIRS TO MAKE, TO MAKE MORE, UM, SOIL,
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GREENERY TREES THAT WILL SOAK UP THE WATER.THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY PROBLEMS. OKAY.
AND THE REST, I'M JUST, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT.
LET ME JUST MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT'S JUST PERSONAL NOTES.
ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE? ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE A COUPLE.
YOU MENTIONED DRY WELLS AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
WHERE ARE THOSE? WE'RE NOT DOING ANY DRY.
WELL, THAT WAS NOT RECOMMENDED.
I, THIS IS WHAT I SAID, SAID I MISHEARD IT THEN.
I SAID AFTER FURTHER CONTINUATION WITH THE TOWN CIVIC ENGINEER, WE ARE INSTALLING A CURB TO DIRECT, DIRECT THE CATCH RUNOFF AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
SO IT WAS EITHER OR, WHICH WAS RECOMMENDED.
SO, SO THEN I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE PIPES FROM THE, FROM THE ROOF.
AND THEY'RE GOING DOWN INTO THE GROUND.
AND YOU'RE AIMING THEM TO THE BACKYARD.
IS THOSE DON'T HAVE DRY WELLS.
AND IS THERE A REASON THERE WERE, WE DON'T NEED IT DRY WELLS.
THE, THE, UM, THE CONTRACTOR, UH, THAT DID, THAT DID THIS ALONG WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEER SAID THAT WE DID NOT NEED THEM.
IT'S GONNA BE IN THE BACKYARD AND OUR BACKYARD HAS A SLOPE THAT'S GONNA GO DOWN.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE.
AND, AND JUST I SEE THAT YOU, IT'S COMPLETELY LEGAL.
DID YOU EVER CONSIDER PUTTING SHRUBBERY IN THERE? IN WHERE, IN THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES? IT'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM.
THAT WOULD BE MORE ABSORBENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OR BE MORE, PERHAPS MORE AESTHETIC.
I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE.
BUT WE CAN, WE COULD PUT BUSHES, FEET.
I JUST, I JUST, CAN WE TAKE ONE? OH, OKAY.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT LITTLE BUSHES, WE PUT BUSHES ALL AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
I WOULD SUGGEST PERHAPS THAT, UH, WE'LL LET OUR FORESTRY YEAH.
WE ALSO SPOKE TO, UM, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD HERE WITH THE TREES TO FIND OUT TREES THAT SOAK UP THE MOST WATER.
WHAT'S HIS TYPE NAME? AARON SCHMID.
HE'S THE ONE THAT DEALS WITH THE GREENERY.
'CAUSE WE HAVE REMOVED SOME TREES.
HE CAME OUT, HE CAME BACK AND WE STILL PUTTING MORE TREES IN THE BACK THAT SOAK UP MOST OF THE WATER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALRIGHT.
I OWN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO, UH, 19.
UM, AT THE LAST MEETING OF YOU FOLKS, I, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU WERE SAYING THAT NOBODY UNDERTOOK A ELEVATION STUDY OF THE PROPERTY, OR AT LEAST YOU DIDN'T HAVE ONE.
I HIRED A SURVEYOR TO COME OUT AND DO THAT.
I GAVE HIM TO, UH, KIM MS. JONES, UH, A WHILE AGO.
BUT I WOULD, FOR THE RECORD, I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT TO YOU FOLKS THIS EVENING.
UH, THAT, SO IT'S OFFICIALLY ON THE RECORD.
BUT JUST, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IT'S ON THE RECORD THAT, THAT YOU HAVE IT.
AND, UM, I HATE TO BE DISRESPECTFUL AND I, AND I'M TRYING, DON'T DO IT.
MS. CARLOS SAID TONIGHT, JUST NOT FACTS.
I MEAN, SHE SAID, I'M ON THEIR LAND.
THEY SAID THAT MR. STERN SUBMITTED A SOMETHING MR. STERN AND I HAD AN A DISAGREEMENT MANY YEARS AGO BECAUSE HE RE-PITCHED HIS DRIVEWAY TO ME.
AND I TOLD HIM, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
AND SO THEN HE WENT OUT AND HE ADDED A LITTLE MORE CURBING TO THE THING TO, TO TRY TO GET THE WATER TO COME AWAY FROM US.
WE'VE SUFFERED GREATLY WITH THIS.
IF I HAD KNOWN THIS WAS ILLEGAL YEARS AGO, IT WOULD NOT BE THERE TODAY.
WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
IT WAS ONLY WHEN I MADE A COMPLAINT THAT I FOUND OUT, HEY, THIS IS NOT EVEN LEGAL.
I DON'T, I I KNOW YOU GOT SO MUCH ON YOUR CALENDAR TONIGHT.
I DON'T WANNA TAKE A LOT OF, OF YOUR TIME.
ONE OTHER THING, SHE SAID, I HAVE A VIOLATION WITH MY COBBLESTONES.
I, I BELIEVE THAT'S A REFERENCE TORE.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CASE.
IT'S, IT'S BEEN RESOLVED ANYWAY.
MY, MY CONTRACTOR NEVER FILED FOR THE
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APRON IN THE FRONT OF MY DRIVEWAY.AND THAT IS THE EXTENT OF MY VIOLATIONS.
UM, I THANK YOU FOLKS FOR LISTENING TO ME.
SUE ZAMAN AT 17 PRIMROSE AVENUE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE CATO'S PROPERTY.
I JUST WANT TO, UH, GO BACK TO, UH, MR. CATO'S SUBMISSION OF THE, UH, DRAWING THEIR PROPOSAL FOR, UH, REMEDY TO THE, UH, TO THE PROBLEMS. IF YOU LOOK AT HIS, UH, DRAWING, UH, THEY ARE INCLUDING THAT 10 FOOT, UH, TURNAROUND OR BACKING UP AREA, UM, THAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR.
UM, I, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT FROM MY LIVING, FROM MY DINING ROOM, MY, MY KITCHEN, AND MY DECK.
AND I WOULD RESPECTFULLY A SECOND TIME ASK THAT, THAT BE DENIED.
EVERYBODY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DRIVES INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY AND BACKS OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY.
THEY CAN BACK INTO THEIR, THEY CAN DRIVE THEIR CAR, TURN INTO THEIR, INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY AND BACK OUT OF THEIR, THEIR GARAGE AND BACK OUT.
NUMBER TWO IS WE HAVE RESPECTFULLY, AND I REITERATE, RESPECTFULLY REQUESTED THAT INSTEAD OF A, UH, ZERO SETBACK THAT YOU CONSIDER POSSIBLY A TWO, UH, A TWO FOOT SETBACK, WHICH STILL GIVES THEM ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE DRIVEWAY AND IT ALSO GIVES, UH, A PERVIOUS AMOUNT OF GROUND FOR WATER TO BE SOAKED UP.
THE THE NEXT COMMENT IS THAT WE HAVE SEEN NO EXCAVATION OF HIS DRIVEWAY IN ORDER TO PUT STORM WATER PIPING.
THERE'S NO PIPING BEEN PUT IN THE GROUND THERE.
AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT BEFORE THE TONE, THE TOWN, UH, ZONING BOARD, UH, UH, GRANT THIS, THAT THEY HAVE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT GO OUT AND INSPECT BECAUSE NO NEW PIPING HAS BEEN PUT IN THE GROUND TOWARDS THE BACK.
AND I, MYSELF HAVE HAD THAT SITUATION AND HAVE HAD TO PUT A DRY WELL IN TO ABSORB THE AMOUNT OF WATER COMING FROM ALL THE UNDERGROUND PIPING THAT I HAVE.
I HAVE A 14 FOOT DEEP DRY WELL IN MY BACKYARD, WHICH WE DID SUBMIT AND, AND GET APPROVALS FOR AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
UH, THERE'S SOME MISREPRESENTATIONS HERE AND I WOULD LIKE THEM LOOKED AT.
ANYONE ELSE? IS THERE ANYTHING? YES, JUST A MOMENT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE DEPARTMENT, SO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DID GO OUT, THE HOMEOWNERS DID CONNECT THE, UM, OPEN GUTTERS TO UNDERGROUND PIPING TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY DID NOT REQUIRE EXCAVATION OF THE DRIVEWAY TO DO SO.
THEY WENT TOWARDS THE BACK, NOT TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
JUST TO REITERATE AND PIGGYBACK WHAT LIZ IS SAYING, WE ACTUALLY HAVE PICTURES.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO'S NOT HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
AND OUR NEXT CASE IS TWENTY FIVE OH SEVEN SIXTY SEVEN DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
UH, MY NAME IS AIDEN RUAN FROM 67 DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
UH, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND ALL, UH, BOARD MEMBERS OF THE CBA.
UH, THIS IS OUR SECOND, UH, MEETING.
AND, UH, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT I HAD, UH, SUBMIT IT.
SO YOU WANTED ME TO PROVIDE, UM, UH, EVIDENCE THAT I CANNOT, UH, RECEIVE A REASONABLE RETURN ON THIS PROPERTY.
ON DID SUBMIT FROM MY ACCOUNTANT, UH, A BREAKDOWN OF, UM, THE EXPENSES THAT, UH, I, I WOULD BE INCURRING, WHETHER IT'S A ONE FAMILY, A TWO FAMILY, OR A THREE FAMILY ALONG WITH THE INCOME.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN TWO PAGES THAT I'VE SUPPLIED.
I ALSO SUPPLIED, UH, MY MOST RECENT TAX RETURN TO SHOW YOU THE TYPE OF INCOME THAT I MAKE PERSONALLY AS A FAMILY OF FIVE.
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BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS STILL IN LIMBO, UH, AS FAR AS THE STATUS OF THE PROPERTY, I'M UNABLE TO OBTAIN ANY TYPE OF FINANCING TO PAY MONIES THAT I, UH, OBTAIN TO PURCHASE THIS HOME ALONG TO PAY, ALONG WITH PAYING THE CONTRACTORS, UH, THAT I STILL OWE MONEY TO, AND THE ARCHITECT THAT I OWE MONEY TO.SO FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, UM, I'M UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE PROPERTY BECAUSE, UM, IT'S, WE DON'T, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHAT THE PROPERTY IS BASED ON.
I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
UH, 0.2, I DID SUBMIT A MAP, UH, THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT ARE BOTH TWO FAMILY AND THREE FAMILY HOUSES, UM, WITH THEIR CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY TO PROVE THAT, UH, THIS PROPERTY, UM, YOU KNOW, WILL NOT STICK OUT AND HAS, HAS ALWAYS BEEN A A THREE FAMILY HOUSE ANYWAY.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, AT THE MAP, UH, MY PROPERTY BEING, UH, NUMBER ONE, UH, 67 DOBBS FERRY ROAD, IT'S A, IT'S A THREE FAMILY.
IT'S A THREE LEVEL HOUSE WITH A FIRE ESCAPE.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER TWO, IT'S A HOUSE RIGHT BEHIND ME.
IT'S A LEGAL, UH, TWO FAMILY HOUSE.
IT'S ON ONE LEVEL, AND IT'S RIGHT BEHIND ME.
UH, A FEW DOORS AWAY IS 84 DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
UH, IT HAS THE SAME LEVEL, UH, AMOUNT OF LEVELS THAT I HAVE.
AND IT ALSO HAS A FIRE ESCAPE.
AND THAT'S A LEGAL THREE FAMILY WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
UM, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME IS 96 DABBS FERRY ROAD.
IT HAS THE SAME LEVELS THAT I HAVE ALSO, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE A FIRE ESCAPE.
AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A SECOND, UH, MEANS OF EGRESS.
BUT THAT'S A TWO FAMILY HOUSE.
AND THEN A FEW DOORS AWAY IS 56 DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
YOU SEE ON THE MAP, SAME LEVELS THAT I HAVE IN MY PROPERTY, BUILT AROUND THE SAME TIME.
AND IT'S A LEGAL THREE FAMILY, THREE FAMILY C OF O AND A FIRE ESCAPE.
AND THEN NEXT DOOR TO ME IS A TWO FAMILY HOUSE.
UM, THAT HAS TWO LEVELS, NOT THREE.
AND IT DOES NOT HAVE A FIRE ESCAPE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THERE ARE MULTI-FAMILY HOMES RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I'M IN, IN, UH, THE, THE R FIVE ZONE.
UM, AND I DID PROVIDE ALL THE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FOR ALL OF THOSE NEIGHBORING, UH, MULTIFAMILY HOUSES.
AND, UH, SO MOVING ON TO POINT NUMBER THREE THAT YOU WA YOU, UH, YOU HAD ASKED ME FOR WAS TO PROVIDE PLANS OF, UH, 67 DOBBS FAIR ROAD, MY PROPERTY, INTERIOR FLOOR PLANS, AND OFF STREET PARKING, UH, FOR SIX CARS.
SO ON, ON EACH FLOOR, UH, WE HAVE A, UH, THREE BEDROOM UNIT, UM, WITH ONE BATHROOM.
UM, AND AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE DATING BACK TO 1920, THE SAME EXACT FLOORS, MOLDINGS, PLASTER WALLS, WIRE LATH EXISTS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY FROM THE THIRD FLOOR ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIRST FLOOR, SHOWING THAT EVERYTHING WAS ORIGINAL WITH THREE KITCHENS, THREE BATHROOMS, THREE FLOORS, THE SAME.
FINISH DATING BACK TO THE 20 SLASH 1930S.
THERE WAS ALSO A FIRE ESCAPE, WHICH IS THE SECOND MEANS OF EGRESS FOR EVERY FLOOR.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE, UH, IN THE PLANS AS WELL.
IT ALSO HAS THE, UM, THE OFF STREET PARKING.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A QUITE A BIT OF, UH, UH, LAND ON THE SIDE STREET, UM, ALONG WITH THE, UH, THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE FOR SIX CARS.
SO WE HAVE TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE.
TWO CARS CAN FIT BEHIND, UH, IN FRONT
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OF THE GARAGE.AND THEN TO THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE, WE HAVE AMPLE SPACE, UH, TO FIT TWO CARS BACK TO BACK.
UM, AND THAT IS, UM, WHAT YOU HAD LOOKED FOR IN POINT NUMBER THREE.
AND MOVING ON TO POINT NUMBER FOUR, I DID TAKE, UM, THE, UH, ZBA A'S ADVICE, UH, FROM THE FIRST MEETING.
AND I ACTUALLY CALLED THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, TO COME OUT AND DO AN INTERIOR INSPECTION.
AND, UH, CAPTAIN MURRAY AND TWO OTHER, UM, UH, OFFICERS CAME OUT AND THEY DID A, A FULL WALKTHROUGH THE ENTIRE HOUSE.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE ATTACHED INSPECTION THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE VERY HAPPY AND CONTENT WITH THE, THE, UH, THE FIRE ESCAPE, UM, THE CARBON MONOXIDES SMOKE DETECTORS, SECONDARY MEANS OF EGRESS, THE EMERGENCY LIGHTING THAT ALWAYS HAD EXISTED IN THE PROPERTY AND ALL OF THE SAFETY MEASURES.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY FELT VERY COMFORTABLE WITH GIVING IT A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH.
AND, UH, YOU'LL SEE THE REPORT THERE, UH, THAT, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD, UH, HAD GIVEN ME THAT I SUBMITTED TO YOU.
AND, UM, UH, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
AND ALSO THE, UH, THE, UM, FIRE ESCAPE, UH, INSPECTION REPORT AS WELL.
SO, AND AS FAR AS, UM, THE, IN REFERENCE TO SPRINKLERS, I WOULD BE, UH, I WOULD BE LOOKING TO OBTAIN A VARIANCE THROUGH THE STATE TO AVOID HAVING TO DO THAT, BUT, UH, UH, TO INSTALL FIRE SPRINKLERS IN THE PROPERTY BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THROUGH THE STATE, UH, IF THEY CAN GIVE ME A VARIANCE THAT IT WON'T REQUIRE IT, BECAUSE I DO HAVE A SECONDARY MEANS OF, UH, OF EGRESS FOR EVERY FLOOR AT EVERY BEDROOM LEVEL, UH, THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.
I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF, UH, INFORMATION THERE THAT I WENT OVER.
SO IF I MAY, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS TO YES, THANK YOU.
SO THE POINTS, THE HOMES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, THEY'RE IN TWO DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO ACROSS THE STREET WAS A URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT THAT WAS ALWAYS A DIFFERENT DISTRICT THAN THIS PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY WAS ALWAYS A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
UM, THERE ARE SOME, AS WAS POINTED OUT, PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING TWO FAMILIES.
THERE ARE NO PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING THREE FAMILIES IN THIS R FIVE DISTRICT ACROSS THE STREET, AGAIN, WAS PERMITTED.
IT WAS ALLOWED TO HAVE MULTI-FAMILIES, THREE FAMILIES.
SO THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET, IT WAS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWED MULTIFAMILY.
UM, WITH REGARD TO THE STATE VARIANCE, UM, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL NOT SUPPORT WITHOUT HAVING SPRINKLERS ON THE THIRD FLOOR.
UM, AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL SUPPORT THAT DECISION.
SO NEW YORK STATE MAY ENTERTAIN A VARIANCE, BUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
WE WILL ASK THAT THE STATE MANDATE, THE VARIANT, THE SPRINKLERS BE INSTALLED, IF THE BOARD DOES ALLOW FOR A THIRD FAMILY ON THE UPPER FLOOR, JUST BECAUSE THAT IS THE, ONE OF THE MOST AREAS WHERE FIRE DEATHS OCCUR.
UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GETTING OUT OF A BUILDING ON THE THIRD FLOOR, GETTING OUT OF THE MEANS OF EGRESS.
PEOPLE TRY TO COME OUT, NOT THE FIRE ESCAPE, BUT THEY TRY TO GO OUT THE MAIN STAIRS.
IF THERE'S A FIRE DOWNSTAIRS, THEY CAN'T GET OUT.
SO SPRINKLING THE MEANS EGRESS, SPRINKLING THE THIRD FLOOR, THAT WOULD BE MANDATORY IF THIS BOARD DOES ENTERTAIN GIVING A THREE FAMILY USE IN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
UM, I'M, CAN I JUST RESPOND? NO, THANK YOU.
AND, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, ABSOLUTELY.
IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT, WE I WOULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.
BUT, UM, I'VE BECOME A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORIAN IN, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND I'VE DISCOVERED THAT ACTUALLY THE ZONING THAT EXISTS ACROSS THE STREET, THE URBAN RENEWAL, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT STARTED, LIZ? THE URBAN RENEWAL WAS IN THE 1970S.
IT WAS IMPLEMENTED AND BEFORE THAT IT WAS A, I BELIEVE A C DISTRICT.
SO, WELL, NO, IT ACTUALLY, I HAVE THE ORIGINAL ZONE.
SO YOU, YOU WERE IN THE ZONE MAP THREE IN 1924,
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WHICH WAS, UM, A RESIDENCE, A DISTRICT.SO THAT ONLY ALLOWED A SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS THE STREET WAS A DIFFERENT DISTRICT.
WELL, UH, THE ZONING MAPS THAT I GOT FROM THE TOWN AND FROM THE, UH, TAX DEPARTMENT FROM 1915, UH, UP UNTIL THE SIXTIES, IT WAS ALL 0 0 3 ZONING.
IT WAS RESIDENTIAL A IN YOUR DISTRICT, THEN IT WENT TO AN OH THREE ON YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET.
WELL, AND AND WHAT YEAR WAS THAT? IN 19 32, 19 57, IT BECAME AN R FIVE.
UM, I HAVE DIFFERENT INFORMATION FROM THE, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, THE ZONING BOARD OF, IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
AND IN THE 1960S, THE ZONING ACROSS THE STREET CHAIN, AND I VERIFIED THAT WITH THEM UPSTAIRS.
SO ACROSS THE STREET IN THE 1960S, THAT'S WHEN THE HERBAL RENEWAL OCCURRED.
SO BEFORE THAT, WE WERE IN THE EXACT SAME ZONING AND THE HOUSE WAS, AND BEFORE AND BEFORE THAT, I JUST WANNA, LET'S MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, AIDEN, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY.
AND YOU, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SPOKEN, YOU HAD TALKED TO THE PREVIOUS OWNERS WHO SAID THEY WERE THE ONES THAT CONVERTED IT TO A THREE FAMILY WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF PERMITS.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, I I HAD NEVER SAID THAT, THAT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
YOU, WE HAD A CONVERSATION IN THE OFFICE THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU, YOU TRACKED DOWN THE FORMER OWNERS WHEN YOU WERE TRYING TO PROVE THAT IT WAS A PREEXISTING PRE FAMILY.
I I, I THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT CORRECT.
SO, SO BASICALLY I, IN DOING MY RESEARCH ACROSS THE STREET AND NEXT DOOR TO ME IN THE PROPERTY CARD, UH, AND IT'S ON ATTACHED, ON THE C OF OS, THERE ARE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THE PROPERTY CARD, THE PROPERTY CARDS ARE ASSESSMENT CARDS.
THE PROPERTY CARD FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS OKAY.
HAVE, HAVE CLEARLY WRITTEN INTO THEM, UH, IN THE SAME ZONE NEXT DOOR AND ACROSS THE STREET LEGAL TWO FAMILY HOUSE IN 19 19, 19 25.
WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE DIDN'T HAVE WHERE, WHERE DO YOU SEE IT'S NOT, NONE OF THAT IS IN THE RECORD.
SO 96, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE RECORDS IN 1919.
SO WHY, SO IT'S WR BUT IT IS WRITTEN INTO, IT IS WRITTEN INTO THE BUILDING CARD AND INTO THE BUILDING TO PACKAGE, MAYBE IT MEANS BUILDING PERMIT 1919, NOT YEAR 1919.
SO I WELL, THAT DOES, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO IT BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU.
WELL, NO, THE, IT'S, IT'S JUST A, I THINK, EXCUSE ME.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU TWO, I THINK NEED TO WORK OUT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT DEMONSTRATES NOTHING IS IN THE RECORD.
AND LIZ HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HELPFUL, BUT WHEN I DISCOVERED THAT IT WAS WRITTEN IN THAT THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET IN THE SAME ZONING AS ME, AND I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE THAT ANY HOUSE COULD EVER BE BUILT IN THAT ZERO THREE ZONE AS A MULTIFAMILY, IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE BILLING DEPARTMENT, THAT IT WAS BUILT IN THE TWENTIES.
SO IT CONTRADICTS THIS WHOLE PROCESS THAT I HAVE BEEN PUT INTO.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, AND I, AND I, I'LL SHARE THAT WITH LIZ BEFORE I LEAVE THAT, UH, OKAY.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY? UM, NO, IT TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE.
IF IT'S A THING THAT, UH, SPRINKLERS ARE A MUST, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE OPEN TO DO THAT.
AND, UM, I'M JUST HOPE THAT I'VE PROVIDED EVERYTHING, UH, FOR YOU GUYS TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING, SORRY.
ON YOUR, ON YOUR, ON YOUR PLANS WHERE IT SAYS 6, 6 7 ON YOUR PLANS WHERE IT SAYS 67 DOPPS RAY ROAD, YOU HAVE A, A DRAWING ON THE TOP RIGHT THAT SHOWS SIX PARKING SPACES.
ARE THERE MEASUREMENTS FOR WHAT YOU'RE ALLOTTING FOR EACH CAR IN THOSE, IN THAT LOCATION? 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE IT.
I, UM, I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW IF I HAVE, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC MEASUREMENTS, THERE'S A MINIMUM SEVEN AND A HALF FEET WIDE PER SPACE.
THERE'RE THE DIMENSIONS, UH, THAT WE HAVE WIDTH WISE.
SO YOU WOULD BE LEAVING THE GARAGE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
YOU SHOW, UH, THE CAR THAT'S PARKED NEXT TO THE GARAGE, IT GETS THERE IN SORT OF A MAGICAL WAY BECAUSE IT, IT'S SQUEEZED IN BEYOND THE STAIRWAY THAT
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GOES DOWN INTO THE BASEMENT OF THE BUILDING.IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT, IT LITERALLY CAN'T GET THERE BY DRIVING.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING IF THE, IF THE DRAWING IS TRUE TO FORM.
I WAS OUT THERE WITH THE ARCHITECT AND WE HAVE SEVEN AND A HALF FEET FROM THE CONCRETE STAIRS GOING DOWN THE STEPS.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WOODEN FENCE THERE OVER, OVER TO THE, UH, OVER TO THE GARAGE STRUCTURE ITSELF, BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SLOPE BETWEEN THE GARAGE GOING TOWARDS THE, UM, TOWARDS THE BUILDING.
SO YOU'D HAVE TO REGRADE THAT.
IS THAT, WAS THAT YOUR THOUGHT THERE? YES, THERE'S, IT'S A, IT'S A VERY, SO THE, THE, WITH THE ASPHALT THAT EXISTS IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE, THERE'S A, A BIT OF A LIP AND THERE'S A SMALL, UH, SLOPE, A FEW INCHES THAT IT THERE.
BUT THERE DEFINITELY IS A SLIGHT SLOPE THAT GOES FROM THE, UH, ASPHALT TOWARD, UH, TOWARDS THE BUILDING, TOWARDS THE BASEMENT.
UM, I AM QUESTIONING WHETHER IT'S REALLY PRACTICAL TO PUT SIX CARS THERE.
AND I NOTICED THAT YOU LISTED YOUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR AS A PREEXISTING NUMBER 61.
CHERRY ROAD ROAD IS A, IS A MULTI-FAMILY HOUSE ALLOWED RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOU.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE THAT I CAN SEE, JUST LOOKING ON THE COMPUTER HERE, IS THAT THEY HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PARKING.
THEY SEEM TO HAVE A, UH, A PARKING LOT GOING TO A SECONDARY PROPERTY.
THEY, I ALSO NOTICED THAT IN FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING, THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S A BUS STOP.
UM, SO THE ABILITY FOR YOUR TENANTS TO, TO PARK IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE DO ON DORE ROAD DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE LIMITED.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT PARKING HERE MIGHT BE A VERY STICKY THING.
WELL, UH, NO POINT TAKEN THERE.
UH, PARKING ALONG THE SIDE ROAD, UH, WHICH IS, FORGIVE ME, I CAN'T THINK OF THE STREET NAME.
UH, TERRACE STREET TERRACE, YES.
THERE IS TWO PARKING SPACES ON THE SIDE, UH, BASICALLY ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, BEFORE DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
THERE, RIGHT, RIGHT OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN DOWN ALONG TERRACE ROAD, I HAD, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT I COULD WORK WITH IF NEED BE, IF I HAD TO PUT ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES WITH THAT WOULD PROVIDE OFF STREET PARKING IN A VERY SAFE WAY, NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH, UH, DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
SO YOU PARKING, I SEEN THAT NOT NECESSARILY THE, UH, PARKING FOR SIX CARS.
IS THAT AN EXISTING CONDITION? UH, THERE'S A PARKING FOR FOUR.
WE HAVE TWO INSIDE THE GARAGE, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE TWO IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE FOR FOUR.
AND THEN WE WERE LOOKING TO PROVIDE THE SP THE PARKING RIGHT ADJACENT TO THAT, UM, TO THE LEFT OF, UH, OF THAT, UH, THOSE, THOSE SPACES.
ARE THOSE NECESSARY? UM, WELL, I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE SIX PARKING SPACES, AND I JUST, I DIDN'T WANT TO START, YOU KNOW, PUTTING, UH, AS THE GENTLEMAN AS, UH, MR. BLAIR SAID IT'S UNSAFE ON DOBBS FERRY ROAD BECAUSE IT'S A BUSY THOROUGHFARE AND THE BUS STOP IS THERE.
SO I WANTED TO KIND OF WORK WITH THE EXISTING AREA.
UM, THERE'S DEPICTION THERE OF, UH, OF THE PHOTO IS A BIT EXAGGERATED.
I HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PROPERTY, UM, ON THE CAR SIDE WHERE THE CARS EXIST THAT I HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITH IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, UH, OR SORRY, ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT IS IT NECESSARY? THIS IS, I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THIS, UH, IN THE FOUR POINTS FROM THE LAST MEETING.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO.
I GUESS, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THIS WAY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS OR, UM, WELL, YOU SAID YOU HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY MM-HMM
COULDN'T THE OTHER TWO CARS BE PARKED ELSEWHERE ON THAT PROPERTY? YES.
THAT WAS ALL I WAS SURE MENTIONING.
JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT FROM THE BILLING DEPARTMENT.
UM, JAYER, UM, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW,
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CAN'T HEAR YOU.JAY SC UM, IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, YOU NEED AT LEAST TWO PARKING SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT AND THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACE DIMENSIONS IS NINE FEET WIDE BY 20.
SO I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS REFERENCING THAT HE IS SEVEN AND A HALF FEET WIDE RIGHT NOW.
NEEDLESS TO SAY, AT SOME POINT, SINCE THAT'S NOT BEFORE US, NOW DEPENDING ON HOW LARGE THAT DRIVEWAY IS, YOU MAY NEED ANOTHER VARIANCE FOR IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE COVERED SPACE.
SO THERE'S A LOT THAT WE HAVE TO UNPACK HERE BEFORE WE CAN GO FORWARD.
SO LONG STORY SHORT, BEFORE THIS.
SO HE ADDED THIS BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE WAS ASKED TO DO IT.
BUT THEN AGAIN, IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THAT'S NOT BEFORE US.
SO IS HE OVER OR UNDER EVEN IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS SERVICE.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYTHING TO ADD? ALRIGHT, CLEARLY WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, ADDRESS.
AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS TWENTY FIVE OH EIGHT FIFTY SIX DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
AS SOON AS THEY FINISH THE PAVING OVER THERE.
MY NAME'S THOMAS HANNEY WITH HUDSON ENGINEER.
UM, SO WE'RE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR A, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE VARIANCE FOR 56 DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
UM, SO THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST PROPERTY COMING DOWN FROM OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET.
UM, SO IT'S BOUND BY THE PARKING LOT IN THE REAR.
UM, THE CULVERT IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND ON THE LEFT SIDE IS A, UH, ANOTHER RESIDENCE.
UM, SO THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS VARIANCE IS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE SITE.
UM, NOW THIS IS NOT REQUIRED BY CODE.
THIS, THIS, UM, PROPERTY PREDATES THE PARKING REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S ONE PARKING SPACE PROVIDED, IT IS A THREE FAMILY HOUSE.
UM, SO THE IDEA IS TO PROVIDE THE, WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY THE CODE, THE SIX SPACES.
UM, AS SUCH, WE NEED THIS IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE VARIANCE.
UM, SO THIS, THIS IS JUST A AERIAL SHOT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE LAYOUT OF THE SURROUNDING HOUSES.
UM, IT'S MADE UP OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE FAM, ONE, TWO, AND THREE FAMILY HOUSES.
UM, THEY'RE KIND OF SPORADICALLY, UM, LAID OUT, UM, MOST OF WHICH HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT RUNS ALONG THE SIDE INTO THE REAR OF THE LOT, SIMILAR TO THE MANNER WE ARE PROPOSING.
UM, I'M GONNA BRING UP ANOTHER COLORED MAP.
UM, SO OF THE, THE LOTS ON IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, UM, EVERYTHING THAT'S STRIPED IN RED ON THIS MAP, UM, IS NON-COMPLIANT TO THE 35% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
UM, CURRENTLY OUR LOT IS NOT COMPLIANT.
UM, WE ARE 37%, WE'RE LOOKING FOR 58%, UM, COVERAGE.
UM, THE TWO HIGHLIGHTED BUILDINGS IN BLUE ARE THE TWO THREE FAMILY HOUSES ON THIS BLOCK.
UM, THE OTHER PROPERTY HAS A 93% COVERAGE.
UM, ESSENTIALLY IT'S A LOOPED DRIVEWAY WITH PARKING IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING.
UM, THE, THESE, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? SURE.
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HAS THAT BEEN APPROVED? UNKNOWN.SO THE, THE IDEA THAT BROUGHT THIS UP IS TO, UM, OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE SOME RELIEF FOR THE PARKING OF THE SITE.
THE PARKING STARTS AT THIS SITE ON STREET AND CONTINUES DOWN.
UM, SO IT WILL PROVIDE SOME RELIEF TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE, UM, BY TAKING SOME, SOME CARS OFF THE ROAD.
FURTHER, I, I'VE BEEN CONFUSED BY PHOTOGRAPH SK ONE, AND I THINK I MAY HAVE THE ANSWER NOW, BUT IS THE HOUSE IN QUESTION CUT OFF FROM THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS DOCUMENT? HERE'S THE ONE.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT ON THE, THE EDGE OF THE SCREEN, SO IT'S CUT OFF.
SO THE, THE PHOTO ON THE SCREEN'S OKAY.
AND TH THIS HAS BEEN, UH, IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, REGARDING THE WETLANDS, AND THEY ISSUED A NEGATIVE, UH, EXCUSE ME, A NEUTRAL DECISION TO SEND THIS TO THIS BOARD.
OF COURSE,
UM, IT, IF I LOOK FROM GOOGLE AIR AND STUFF, THERE ARE CURRENTLY PEOPLE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND IN FACT, MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CARS PARKED ON THE STREET IN THERE.
SEEMS TO BE A LANE EVEN BLOCKED OFF FOR THEM.
THAT, THAT IS LEGAL STREET PARKING.
SO MY QUESTION IS NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY.
MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE YOU BASICALLY TAKING 60% OF THE PROPERTY, MAKING IT IMPERVIOUS TO, TO ACCOMMODATE SIX CARS WHEN YOU HAVE THIS STREET PARKING AVAILABLE? AND, AND ALSO IT'S NOT REQUIRED.
THE STREET PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE HAS TWO PARKING SPACE, BUT BY RIGHT.
THAT IS A WALKING SPACE IS NOW FOR THE LEGAL PARKING SPACE.
BUT WE CAN, WE HAVE A WIDER SPACE.
WE CAN PARK THE CAR NO PROBLEM, BUT BY, RIGHT.
SO FOR US, BECAUSE WE ARE THE OWNER OR THE TENANT NAME THERE, BECAUSE THE LEGAL TREE FAMILY, SO THE POLICE OFFICER, YOU SEE THE CAR BELONG TO THE 56TH, THERE WAS NO TICKETS.
BUT IF OTHER PEOPLE OR THE NEIGHBOR PARKING IN FRONT OF A FIFTH HOUSE, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A TICKET.
SO THE TWO PARKING SPACE ON THE STREET ACTUALLY IS NOT PARKING SPACE, BUT I MEAN, BY LAW, BUT LEGALLY IT'S JUST, WE ARE LEAVING THE HOUSE.
SO WE CAN PARK THERE, BUT BY RIDE, THAT'S NOT PARKING SPACE.
DO YOU THAT MY, MY, I CHECK WITH THE, THE OFFICER.
DO YOU LIVE IN THE HOUSE? I'M NOT, THAT'S MY INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S A LEGAL TREE, FAMILY HOUSE.
AND IS THERE STREET PARKING YEAR ROUND IN THAT AREA OR IS IT ONLY UM, NO, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE BLOCK, UH, THE WHOLE BLOCK LEFT AND RIGHT IS WALKING SPACE, NOT A LEGAL PARKING SPACE, BUT WHEN YOU GO TO THE WHOLE BLOCK, THE WHOLE STREET EITHER LEFT OR RIGHT, ALL THE CAR PARKING, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A PROPERTY, THE SPACE, TINY.
SO YOU CAN WALK ON THE WHOLE BLOCK, WHOLE STREET LEFT RIGHT.
ALL THE CAR PARKING THERE, BUT BY RIGHT.
BUT YOU'RE STILL SUBJECT TO THE SNOW EMERGENCY LAWS? CORRECT.
IN THAT AREA? LIKE THEY CAN'T PARK IN THE WINTER TIME ON THE STREET.
THAT'S A STATE ROAD STILL, ISN'T IT? YEAH, IT'S NOT EMERGENCY.
I MEAN, EVEN IT'S A NON-EMERGENCY CANAL PARK BECAUSE IT'S WORKING SPACE.
WHAT, WHAT IS THIS MIGHT BE FOR YOUR ENGINEER? THE REQUIRED, UM, MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE IS 35%.
BUT WHEN YOU SUBMITTED THIS, IT WAS 43%? CORRECT.
SO THERE WAS AN UPDATED, UM, MEMO FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UM, THAT IN THE PACKET THERE WAS A FEW PAGES THAT HAD A RED LINE THROUGH IT.
THOSE WERE REFERENCING THE 43 THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT INITIALLY, UH, ISSUED AND WERE REPLACED WITH THE 35%.
AND WHAT IS YOUR EXISTING COVERAGE, WHAT THAT YOU HAVE NOW? SURE.
SO THE EXISTING COVERAGE IS 37.4.
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SO IT'S THE, YOU ALREADY THE BU YEAH, IT'S THE BUILDING ITSELF AND ROOM FOR APPROXIMATELY ONE CAR.UM, THERE'S A, THE, THE DRIVEWAY'S 20 FEET WIDE.
IT'S TO THE, ESSENTIALLY TO THE FACE OF THE HOUSE IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
SO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, BASED ON YOUR DRAWING INVOLVED, THREE CARS? NO, THE, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY CAN HOLD ONE CAR.
UM, WELL BASED, IF YOU'RE SAYING IT GOES, I GUESS IT'S TWO BASED ON YOUR DRAWING OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THE DRAWING SURE.
OF WHAT'S EXISTING, WHAT'S PROPOSED IT WAS.
SO THI THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
UM, IT EXTENDS TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS ABOUT 30 FEET OFF THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO IT REALLY IS SPACE FOR ONE CAR, UM, WITHOUT BEING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
IF A TYPICAL SPACE IS 18 TO 20 FEET LONG.
UM, SO IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION, WE ARE LOOKING TO PUT, UM, SIX PARKING SPACES, FIVE OF WHICH WOULD BE STACKED.
UM, THE PROPERTY'S ONLY A HUNDRED FEET WIDE, SO IF THEY WERE 20 FOOT SPACES, UM, WE WOULD BE GOING TO THE PARKING LOT IN THE REAR.
UM, SO THERE WOULD BE FIVE STACKED SPACES WITH ONE THAT KIND OF JUTS OUT INTO THE, UM, SIDE AISLE HERE, UM, AND THE, THE CURVATURE OF THE DRIVEWAY TO ALLOW THAT.
YEAH, UH, UH, I KNOW, I KNOW THE REGULATION I JUST LEARNED SAID 20 FEET, BUT YEAH, I MEAN THE AVERAGE LENGTH OF A MID-SIZE SUV, NOT A SMALL OR LARGE IS 15.2 FEET.
SO IT'S THE, THE 18 MORE THAN ADEQUATELY FITS THAT.
AND YOU'RE PROPOSING TO FULLY PAVE YES.
AND THERE'S A STORM WATER SYSTEM, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT, UM, CAN HANDLE UP TO THE 25 YEAR STORM, UM, AND INFILTRATE IT INTO THE GROUND.
YOU'RE PUTTING THAT, YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THAT IN? YES, THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE, UM, APPLICATION.
SO THAT'S ALONG THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AND HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED PARKING IN THAT MASSIVE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE HOUSE? UM, THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THERE IS A PATH NEXT DOOR TO YOUR, THAT GOES TO IT.
THERE IS A MASSIVE, SO THERE IS, THERE IS A PATHWAY ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, AND I THAT IS WHAT WE, SHE WAS MENTIONING EARLIER, UM, ABOUT WHERE CARS CAN'T PARK.
UM, SO THEY CAN'T BLOCK THAT PATHWAY, WHICH TAKES UP, UM, SOME OF THAT STREET PARKING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE ARE TWO PARKING SPACES IN JUST IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT CURRENTLY EXIST? YES.
SO YOU HAVE THAT, THAT, UM, SIDEWALK THAT COMES OUT, UM, NEXT TO THE GUARDRAIL.
AND THEN YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY, UM, TWO PARKING SPACES BETWEEN THERE AND THE DRIVEWAY FOR THIS PROPERTY.
AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT DEFINED PARKING SPACES.
UM, BUT, AND THE PATHWAY IS OWNED BY THE SHOPPING CENTER, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE AN EASEMENT.
I I BELIEVE THERE'S AN EASEMENT TO THE TOWN FOR THAT.
UM, BUT, BUT I, I DO HAVE A IQUESTION.
I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THEY CAN'T.
I I HAVE A QUESTION AND, UM, I DON'T LIVE IN THE HOME, AS YOU HAVE INDICATED.
AND I'M HOPING THAT ALL OF THE, I'M THINKING OF A QUALITY LIFE ISSUE.
SO THREE FAMILIES, LET'S SAY TWO CARS EACH, AND THOSE FIVE CARS ARE GONNA BE STACKED.
SO IN THE MORNING WHEN I GET UP, I HAVE TO ENSURE THAT THE FAMILY ON THE FIRST FLOOR MOVES THEIR TWO CARS SO I CAN GET TO MY TWO CARS AT THE REAR.
DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO HOW THAT WOULD WORK OR THAT STILL WOULD BE JUST LEFT TO THE NEIGHBORS TO KIND OF FEND FOR THEMSELVES? EXACTLY.
I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT A SPACE ALSO FOR THE SOLAR MATTER FOR EACH FLOOR, THE TREE FAMILY.
SO BASICALLY WE MAKE THE SPACE FOR SIX PLACE, BUT I THINK EACH FAMILY HAS
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ONE CAR IN GENERAL IN GENERAL BECAUSE, UM, FIRST FLOOR I HAVE THREE BEDROOM, SECOND FLOOR IS SMALLER, AND THIRD FLOOR ATTIC IS MORE SMALLER IS ONE BEDROOM.SO I THINK THIRD FLOOR DEFINITELY IS ONE CAR.
AND FIRST FLOOR MAY BE ONE OR TWO, AND SECOND FLOOR MAY BE ONE BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, ALWAYS THE BIGGEST ONE.
SO I DON'T THINK THE WHOLE BUILDING HAVE A SIX CAR.
BUT WE MAKE, GET A SIX SPACE BECAUSE FOR, YOU KNOW, BY RIGHT.
THREE FAMILY, LEGAL, LEGAL FOR PARKING FOR SIX SPACE.
BUT I DON'T THINK THE FOOD, THE FOOD OCCUPY FOR SIX SPACE.
I THINK THE MAXIMUM SHOULD BE FOUR BECAUSE FIRST FOR THE TWO, SECOND FOR THE ONE THIRD FOR ONE.
THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, LIKE MY ASSUMPTION, I, I WAS JUST, I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT IT.
I'M THINKING TOO, I WORK EARLY IN THE MORNING, FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
EVERYONE ELSE IS GETTING THEIR KIDS UP AT SIX, SEVEN FOR THE BUS.
BUT I HAVE TO GET OUT AND I'M IN THE ATTIC AND MY CAR IS ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK.
I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, AS A LANDLORD, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE ISSUES.
THAT'S WHY I REQUEST FOR SIX PARKING.
I MAKE ADDITIONAL, BUT I DON'T THINK THE FOOD OCCUPIES.
LIKE A, LIKE I MENTIONED, TOTAL ATTIC IS SMALL.
I THINK THE ONLY ONE CAR, BECAUSE FOR, UH, SINGLE, UH, LIVING THERE IS LIKE A ONE BEDROOM.
SO SECOND FROM ONE CAR, FIRST ONE, MAYBE ONE OR TWO.
SO MAXIMUM SHOULD BE FOR THREE IS RIGHT.
UH, GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST TOLD US, WHICH KIND OF MATCHES, WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR SIX SPACES? BECAUSE IF YOU THINK IT'LL BE THE MAXIMUM OF FOUR AND THERE ARE TWO MORE IN FRONT.
UM, AND I KNOW THE TWO IN FRONT AREN'T GUARANTEED 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT PROPRIETARY SPACES, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT EXISTS.
WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR SO MUCH PAVED SPACE AND IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE? HAVE YOU CONSIDERED DECREASING THAT TO FOUR OR THREE, GIVEN THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE STREET AS WELL? UH, CORRECT.
NUMBER ONE, UH, FOR TWO, THE SPACE IN THE FRONT, LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT'S NOT LEGAL BY PARKING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, SO IF THE POLICE OFFICER SEE MY CAR BECOME THE OWNER OR SEMI MY TENANT'S CAR, BECAUSE THE LICENSE NUMBER, THEY CAN CHECK THE PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE THE SYSTEM TO SCAN TO KNOW THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE OR NOT.
SO THEY, OKAY, FOR EXAMPLE, MY NEIGHBOR WAS PARKING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THE POLICE OFFICER SAW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO ISSUE A TICKET BECAUSE NOT RIGHT PARKING SPACE, BUT DUE TO THE CONDITION.
SO FOR ME, ON MY TENANT CALLING THERE, IT'S OKAY BECAUSE THE CAR DUAL REGISTRATION IS FINE.
IT'S OKAY, BUT BY, RIGHT, UH, THE, THE TWO PARKING SPACE IN THE FRONT IS NOT LEGAL.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO LEGALIZE THE PARKING SPACE.
NUMBER TWO CONCERN IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE REQUIREMENT FOR DO FOUR SIX PARKING SPACE.
SO THE BUILDING DEPENDS BY THE CODE.
BUT YOU DO YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE ASKING YOU, YOU'RE IN TELLING US THAT YOU DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE STACKED CARS FROM DIFFERENT UNITS.
SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE YOU THIS VARIANCE BASED ON A PLAN THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
THE PLAN NOT WORK WELL, YOU JUST SAID THAT LIKE IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY DIFFICULT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO KNOCK ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S DOOR POTENTIALLY TO MOVE THEIR CAR.
IF THERE ARE SIX CARS, WHO'S GONNA WANT TO DO THAT LIKE LATE AT NIGHT? YOU KNOW, AND I, I, I MEAN I COULD SEE TWO STACKED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO POTENTIALLY PER UNIT.
LIKE, SO YOU ONLY HAVE TO ASK YOUR SPOUSE OR YOUR ROOMMATE OR SOMETHING TO MOVE THE CAR.
BUT WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO STACKED VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE NOT IN THE SAME HOUSEHOLDS, THAT PRESENTS ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY TELL OUT YES.
THAT IT'S NOT GONNA WORK PROPERLY.
UH, I'M NOT MEANS IT'S NOT WORK.
I SAID THIS MAYBE HAS A PROBLEM, BUT WE, BECAUSE THAT'S MY ASSUMPTION, BECAUSE WE NEVER GO TO THAT STEP YET.
I SAID MAYBE THAT HAS A SOLAR MATTER WITH EACH FLOORS.
IS THERE, ASK THE ONE, THE TRACTOR TRAILER PARK? NO, NO.
IT'S THE ONE ALL THE WAY BY THE GRAVEL.
UM, WHAT IS THE DEPTH OF THE LOT? THE, THE DEPTH OF THE LOT.
SO THE ENTIRE LOT'S A HUNDRED FEET.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE USING IT'S IT'S 50 BY A HUNDRED.
SO THE DRIVEWAY LENGTH IS ABOUT 92 FEET.
AND I, I SEE THAT, UH, YOU CAN HAVE TWO CAR WIDTH FOR THE FRONT 60% OF THE LOT, BUT YOU'RE ONLY SHOWING ONE, UH, CAR THREE THAT'S NOT STACKED.
IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE WAY IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE ANOTHER SPACE IN FRONT OF, UH, SPACE THREE? UM, SO IT, IT'S GOING TO, THIS IS A STATE ROAD.
UM, SO IT'S, WE WOULD NEED STATE PERMIT TO DO SO, AND IT'S GONNA BE THE, THE WIDTH OF THE END DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE IS THE LIMITING FACTOR.
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF
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THE, OF THE DRIVEWAY.NOT TO THE EXTENT THAT TWO CARS WOULD BE ABLE TO PASS THERE.
AND DID YOU CONSIDER, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS OTHER THAN STRICT ASPHALT PAVING? DID YOU CONSIDER THE STONE, I MEAN THE, UH, THE DIFFERENT BLOCKS THAT ALLOW, UH, IN TERMS OF PERVIOUS PAVEMENT? YEAH.
UM, SO WE, WE HAVE CONSIDERED IT FOR, UM, NUMBER OF, UH, DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
UM, IN THIS CASE, WE FEEL THIS IS GONNA BE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THIS SITE.
UM, PERVIOUS PAVEMENT SYSTEMS HAVE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE TO 'EM.
UM, ADDITIONALLY THIS PROPERTY HAS SEEN FLOODING FROM THE ADJACENT CULVERT, UM, WHICH YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY INTRODUCING SILT TO PERVIOUS PAVEMENT.
UM, THE, THE SYSTEM WE HAVE FUNCTIONS THE SAME WAY IN TERMS OF IT RELEASES THE WATER INTO THE GROUND.
UM, IT JUST HAS DIFFERENT LE LEVELS OF MAINTENANCE, UM, THAT ARE CONCENTRATED INSTEAD OF OVER THE FULL, FULL, UH, PAVED SURFACE AREA.
IS THIS, THIS, IS THIS PART OF AN ATTEMPT TO LEGALIZE THE THREE FAMILY STATUS OF THE BUILDING? OF THE BUILDING? NO.
SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, IT IS A LEGAL THREE FAMILY BUILDING.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE SAYING THAT BECAUSE I WAS GONNA ASK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT IF I'M READING THE VIOLATION APPROPRIATELY, IT IS IN, IT'S INDICATING THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN WHAT ZONE? URBAN RENEWAL.
UM, BASED, BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH DESIGNATED ON THE TOWN TAX MAP.
SO EVEN IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THE THREE FAMILY AS PER THE VIOLATION, IT'S AS IF THIS NOW IS OPENING UP SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR AM I MISREADING THIS BASED ON THE, UH, IT SAYS IT'S NON-CONFORMING AS PER THE VIOLATION IT SAID PREEXISTING NONCONFORMING USE.
WAS IT YOUR FAMILY INFORMED? YES.
THAT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL.
SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE PREVIOUS PAVERS.
CAN YOU SPEAK UP, HEAR YOU, THAT, THAT COMMENT IN REGARDS TO PREVIOUS PAVERS, WE STILL CONSIDER THAT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE? YEAH.
THAT, THAT WOULD JUST BE A STORM ORDER TREATMENT.
RIGHT? COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN ON THE DRAWING THAT'S UP THERE, THE LONG DARK DASHED LINE, WHAT IS THAT? THE BUILDING THAT GOES MOSTLY AROUND THE PERIMETER, BUT THEN SO THE THIS LINE HERE? YEAH.
AND IT GOES ALL AROUND THE WHOLE THING.
OH, SO, SO THAT'S THE, UM, AREA THAT'S GONNA BE DISTURBED FOR CONSTRUCTION DISRUPTION.
SO THERE'S SEDIMENT EROSION CONTROL PRACTICES, THERE'S OTHER ELEMENTS OF CONSTRUCTION.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE DISTURBED.
THAT'S MORE OF A PLANNING, UM, IMPACT.
AND, AND THE EARLIER QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF YOU, UM, WHICH WAS SPACE NUMBER THREE, AND COULD YOU PUT ANOTHER SPACE TOWARDS THE ROAD? UM, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THE PART OF THAT MAY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT STATE ROAD WAS INVOLVED, BECAUSE IS IT THE WIDTH OF THE, THE THE CURB CUT? YES.
AND YOU DON'T THINK A CAR CAN TURN THAT QUICKLY TO GET INTO A SPOT BEHIND NUMBER THREE? BELOW NUMBER THREE NEXT TO NUMBER ONE AND TWO.
SO IF I AM, CORRECT ME IF I'M, UM RIGHT.
MISUNDERSTANDING YOU ESSENTIALLY CUTTING THIS HERE.
IT, IT WOULD BE THIS TURN TO GET INTO THAT SPACE.
THE S WERE YOU SAYING EACH OF THE SPACES, IT'S 18 FEET LONG? YES.
AND A, A MEDIUM SUV IS 15, SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT SIX FEET MORE THAN YOU KNOW OF WIGGLE.
UM, THERE, THERE'S A WALL ACROSS THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE.
UM, THERE, THERE'S OTHER, UM, IT, IT WOULD NOT BE PLEASANT TO GET INTO.
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IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.LIKE IF YOU HAD A COMPACT CAR OR JUST A REGULAR SEDAN OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER.
UM, BUT A, A LARGER CAR WOULD HA DEFINITELY HAVE DIFFICULT TRYING TO GET INTO THAT, UM, TO CUT AROUND THAT CURB AND JUT OUT, JUST TO MAKE A COMMENT, UM, THE DPW DOESN'T ALLOW CURB CUT MORE THAN 20 FEET FOR THE CURB WIDTH.
THE STAY OF THE PROPERTIES ARE TOUCHING.
LIKEWISE, THE STATE WOULDN'T, UM, APPROVE THE, THE DOUBLE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN I ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION? IS THERE SOMETHING BEHIND THE BUILDING, UH, THAT WOULD KEEP YOU FROM WANTING TO PUT SOME PARKING BEHIND THE BUILDING? BECAUSE WHAT I SAW A LOT OF YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING IS THAT THEY HAVE A LONG DRIVEWAY AND THEY HAVE THE PARKING SPACES BEHIND THE BUILDING.
UM, ALSO, ALSO, IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE, UM, HYPOTHETICALLY, UM, IT WOULD INCREASE THIS VARIANCE THAT WE'RE SEARCHING FOR AND YOU WOULD STILL END UP WITH THE STACKED CARS, UH, SCENARIO HERE.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WANNA COMMENT ON THIS? OKAY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF THINKING TO DO ON THIS ONE.
THAT'S THE NAME OF THE COMPANY.
I HOPE EVERYBODY CAN SEE MY SCREEN.
UM, MY NAME IS DANNY CASTELLI.
UM, I WAS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE STORE AT, UH, 4 89 TERRYTOWN ROAD IN GREENBURG, UM, RACK AND RUNS OVER A HUNDRED RESTAURANTS IN THE NORTHEAST AND OHIO.
AND IT'S A BRAND I THINK WE CAN ALL SAY THAT WE'VE GROWN UP WITH.
SO WE REHABILITATE LOW PERFORMING STORES AND TURN THEM INTO SUCCESSFUL OPERATIONS.
UM, AND WE ARE QUITE GOOD AT IT.
UM, THIS PAST YEAR WE WENT OUT ON A LIMB AND BRANCHED OUT TO DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN, AND WE PROUDLY OPENED OUR FIRST OF ALL OF OUR STORES COMING UP IN GREENBERG.
UM, SO UNLIKE BURGER KING, DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN IS A RELATIVELY NEW BRAND.
THE FIRST STORE OPENED IN 2017, UM, IN THIS, YOU CAN SEE IT IN THIS PICTURE HERE.
UM, A FEW FRIENDS PULLED TOGETHER $900 AND OPENED UP A POPUP IN A PARKING LOT TO MAKE FLAVORFUL CHICKEN AND FRENCH FRIES.
SO, UM, LESS THAN 10 YEARS LATER, THERE ARE 300 STORES, UM, ACROSS, MOSTLY ACROSS THE UNITED STATES.
THERE'S A FEW STORES, UH, INTERNATIONALLY AND IT'S OUTPERFORMING BRANDS, UM, LIKE CHICK-FIL-A AND UH, RAI CANES.
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UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, DAVE'S IS KNOWN FOR FLAVORFUL AND, AND SPICY CHICKEN AND FRENCH FRIES.AND IT'S ALSO KNOWN FOR A FUN, VIBRANT AND PLAYFUL ARTWORK INSIDE AND SOMETIMES, UM, OUTSIDE OF THE STORE.
UM, I CAN SHOW YOU IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN, I WANT THIS THING TO GO AWAY.
WHERE, HOW DO I MAKE THIS GO AWAY? ALRIGHT.
UM, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE IS A LITTLE PEEK AT THE INSIDE OF OUR STORE.
UM, AND WE WOULD, WHERE'S MY NOTES? UM,
SO THAT'S THE INSIDE OF OUR STORE.
UM, AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE OUTSIDE OF OUR STORE.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY TO SEE ANY OF THE SIGNAGE, UM, IN THIS AREA OF THE PLAZA.
UM, THIS IS A VIEW FROM CLOSER INSIDE THE PARKING LOT AND, UM, FROM INSIDE THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STORE, IT'S EASY TO FIND IT, BUT IF YOU ARE ACROSS THE STREET, NOT SO MUCH.
UM, THE STORE MANAGER I SPOKE WITH, UH, THEM BRIEFLY, THEY SAID THAT THEY GET CALLS FROM PEOPLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE IN THE PARKING LOT TRYING TO LOOK FOR THE STORE, THEY CAN'T QUITE FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO.
MOSTLY THEY GO TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE PANERAS AND THE BJ'S IS.
I'VE MADE SURE THAT IT POINTS, YOU KNOW, IT PINPOINTS TO THE EXACT LOCATION.
UM, BUT WITH THE BRAND BEING NEW WITH ONLY 300 STORES, UM, VISIBILITY IS A MATTER OF BRAND AWARENESS.
AND ESSENTIALLY IT'S A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH FOR OUR STORE.
UM, IN CORPORATE HAS DONE SOME RESEARCH AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT ARTWORK ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STORE IS CRITICAL TO BRAND AWARENESS AND IT INCREASES SALES BY AT LEAST 10 TO 25%.
UM, SO I AM HERE TO TODAY TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ON OUR STOREFRONT, UM, WHICH OUR LANDLORD HAS APPROVED.
UM, THIS WILL HELP US TO DIFFERENTIATE US FROM OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ALL KIND OF HAVE RED BRANDING ON THE FRONT OF THEIR STORES AS WELL, AND INCREASE VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET, UM, TO ENSURE THAT OUR STORE IS ABLE TO THRIVE.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PHOTO THAT SHOWED THE VIEW OF YOUR STORE AND THE OTHER STORES? YES.
THAT THE ONE THAT CAME WAS CLOSER.
AND IS THAT THE WAY IT LOOKS NOW? YES.
AND WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THAT NOW? THE SIZE OF THE SIGN? I CAN LOOK THAT UP.
IS IT THE SAME AS IN YOUR PROPOSAL OR IS YOUR PROPOSAL TO MAKE IT LARGER? IT'S THE SAME AS IN THE PROPOSAL, BUT THE PROPOSAL IS TO ADD THIS, THE ART, JUST THE ART, JUST THE ARTWORK.
NOT TO INCREASE THIS, BUT TO ADD THE ARTWORK, WHICH IS PART OF, UH, CORPORATE BRANDING.
I CAN SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF MUCH MORE.
IS THE ARTWORK THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THE SAME ARTWORK USED AT EVERY UM, HOT CHICKEN PLACE? NO, ACTUALLY IT'S, EVERY STORE IS UNIQUE.
UM, WHAT THEY, AT LEAST ON THE INTERIOR OF THE STORE, WHAT THEY TRY TO DO IS PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT IS LIKE SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN.
EVERY STORE HAS THEIR TOWN NAME.
SO OURS HAS GREENBURG OVER THE FRONT REGISTERS.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS IN THE VIDEO THAT I SHOWED.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THE TOWN, UM, THEY'LL INCLUDE THAT WORK.
NO, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT OUTSIDE.
THIS IS, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF MORE,
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MORE VIBRANT ARTWORK.SO EVERY, THEY TRY TO MAKE EVERY STORE ITS OWN UNIQUE EXPERIENCE.
SO ACTUALLY THERE, SO ACTUALLY THERE ARE TWO REQUESTS THAT ARE HERE.
SO ONE WOULD BE THE WALL ART, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO REQUESTS TO CREASE THE LETTER HEIGHT BY ANOTHER TWO FEET.
NO, MAYBE THAT WAS NOT CLEAR IN MY APPLICATION.
AM I, AM I MISREADING THAT? YES.
IT SAYS THE HEIGHT OF THE KEY LETTER LOGOS FROM FOUR FEET TO SIX FEET.
THEY'RE CALLING THAT A KEY LETTER THAT THAT'S A LOGO.
I THINK THAT'S JUST HOW IT'S OKAY.
THE SIGN'S NOT CHANGING ANYTIME.
THE CURRENT SIGN, I'M SORRY, WHAT? IT'S TWO FEET IN HEIGHT.
IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONING CODE.
I ASSUME THAT ISSUE FEET? YES.
SINCE THE ARTWORK IS DIFFERENT AT EVERY STORE, DO YOU CONSIDER THAT A LOGO? UM, NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
IT'S PART OF THE, I GUESS I WOULD CONSIDER IT LIKE THE BRAND, LIKE IT'S WHAT IT'S KNOWN FOR.
SO EV UM, I COULD SHOW YOU A PICTURE IF YOU WANTED, OF OUR STORE IN MILFORD, CONNECTICUT AND OUR STORE IN STANFORD, CONNECTICUT, THEY BOTH LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
ONE HAS, UM, ACTUALLY THEY BOTH HAVE SIGNS LIKE THE ONE IN WHITE PLAINS, BUT ONE WAS APPROVED TO HAVE THE ENTIRE AREA AROUND IT, UH, COVERED IN ARTWORK.
UM, AND THEN OUR STORE IN STANFORD ALSO HAS A SIGN, BUT IS MORE LIKE, UH, THIS PICTURE HERE WHERE THERE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, PIECES OF LIKE A PIECE OF, UH, ARTWORK IN ONE SPOT AND A PIECE OF ARTWORK IN ANOTHER SPOT AND A PIECE OF ARTWORK A LITTLE BIT LOWER.
BUT THAT'S AGAIN, EACH LANDLORD AND TOWN.
BUT THEY'LL APPROVE IS DIFFERENT.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WORK WITH EACH TOWN ON AND THE ARTISTS AND CORPORATE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.
ARE THESE FRANCHISES, ARE THESE FRANCHISES OR? YES.
ANYONE ELSE? UM, WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS THAT WHAT THE ART, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
IS THAT WHAT THE ARTWORK IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE? NO.
THIS IS WHAT WAS APPROVED BY OUR LANDLORD, BUT IT CAN CHANGE BASED UPON OUR APPROVAL.
UH, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'LL SEE IF WE GIVE THIS APPROVAL.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN.
LIKE COULD WE, WOULD WE CHANGE IT OR WOULD YOU CHANGE IT AND WE WOULD COMPLY WITH THE CHANGE? UH, NO.
I MEAN, WE'RE LOOKING AT ARTWORK ON EACH SIDE OF THE SIDE.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT NECESSARILY WILL BE, UM, APPLIED TO THE, TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING.
DID DID THAT MAKE ANY SENSE? WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE FINAL PRODUCT.
THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FINAL PRODUCT HERE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT IT CONCEPTUALLY IT'LL BE ART, BUT NOT THIS ART.
THIS, THE ARTISTS WILL GET THIS PICTURE AND THEY HAVE DONE FOR ME AT THE TWO OTHER STORES THAT I HAVE A VERY NICE JOB OF PRETTY MUCH REPLICATING THAT.
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SO WHILE YOU'RE NOT CONVINCED THAT THE COLOR OR DESIGN WILL BE EXACTLY THE SAME, THE AREA THAT IT'S TAKING UP AND WHERE IT'S PLACED WILL BE THE SAME? YES.AND I THINK, LIKE I SAID, FROM IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH THEM, THIS IS WHAT CORPORATE HAS DRAWN UP.
THIS IS WHAT THE LANDLORD HAS APPROVED.
AND IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE ARTISTS AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, AT OUR OTHER TWO LOCATIONS, THEY'VE DONE A VERY NICE JOB OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RENDERING THAT I PROVIDE THEM WITH, MAKING THAT REFLECTIVE ON THE, ON THE BUILDING.
AND THEY PAINT THIS DIRECTLY ON, ON THE BUILDING.
AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT.
UM, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, IT'S REMOVABLE.
YOU CAN STICK IT ON AND TAKE IT OFF.
I'M NOT, UM, A HUNDRED PERCENT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, WITH THAT.
'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.
BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S AN OPTION THAT CAN BE, UM, EXPLORED IF, IF NECESSARY.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WRAPPING? NO, IT'S NOT WRAPPING.
REMOVABLE GRAPHIC FILMS DESIGNED FOR SOLVENT, PIEZO, INKJET OR ELECTROSTATIC PRINTING.
YOU WERE YOU FLASHED BY ANOTHER, A CORNER OF A BUILDING.
IS THE CIRCLE WITH THE CHICKEN IN IT AND THE DAVID'S HOT CHICKEN, IS THAT YOUR LOGO FOR, FOR DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN? YES, I THINK SO.
IF YOU GUYS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I WAS IN BRANDING FOR 40 YEARS.
SO, UM, A LOT OF BRANDS WITHIN THEIR GUIDELINES HAVE OTHER VISUALIZATIONS OTHER THAN LOGOS.
UM, SO THE WAY THEY DO GRAPHS, THE WAY THEY DO THESE, SOME OF THESE LOOK LIKE PUZZLE PIECES.
SO THEY ARE BRAND GRAPHICS AND THEY'RE DEFINED BY STANDARDS.
BUT THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A LOGO IF YOU'RE KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH THAT WORD, BUT THEY'RE STILL BRANDING.
AND A LOT OF COMPANIES HAVE CHARACTERS.
GOOGLE HAS A CHARACTER GOOGLE, LIKE OTHER, THEY HAVE OTHER IMAGES THAT ARE BRAND UNITS FOR BRANDING, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THE LOGO
UM, SO TO GO BACK TO THE, THE OTHER QUESTION, UM, THIS, THERE'S AN APPLICATION, LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET RID OF THAT.
THERE'S AN APPLICATION THAT CAN BE USED.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SHOWCASE IN THIS PICTURE IS THAT THERE'S, UM, THIS, THIS CHICKEN IS LIKE A SIGN, LIKE THIS DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN SIGN IS HERE UNDERNEATH IT.
AND THAT'S NOT PART OF THE DESIGN THAT WE'VE REQUESTED.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS ARTWORK HERE CAN BE APPLIED, UM, TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
I'M UNDERSTANDING I, AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT WITH CORPORATE AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT HASN'T CHANGED ANY OTHER, BUT THESE ARE ALL DIFFERENT VARIATIONS THAT THEY'VE DONE ON DIFFERENT STORES.
TWENTY FIVE TEN THREE CHA LANE.
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UH, HI, UH, EMAR EISNER THREE HALFORD LANE.UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HEARING US TODAY.
CAROLINE AND I ARE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF EXPAND AND LIKE RENOVATE OUR HOUSE.
WE'VE MOVED, WE MOVED TO GREENBERG, UH, ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO JUST UNDER, UM, WE BOUGHT A WONDERFUL HOUSE IN CAN IN ON THREE ALFORD LANE IN EDGEMONT, WHICH IS, WAS BUILT IN 1938.
WE LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE LOVE THE HOUSE SO MUCH IS BECAUSE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF RENOVATE AND MAKE IT OUR OWN AND STILL HAVE THIS SUPER CHARMING, BEAUTIFUL HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE LOVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF I'M, IF I SOUND A LITTLE BIT EXCITED, 'CAUSE I AM, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN PLANNING THIS NOW FOR A LONG TIME AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T WAIT TO GET STARTED.
UM, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WHEN WE MOVED INTO THE HOUSE IS ESSENTIALLY KINDA EXPAND THE KITCHEN BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S QUITE DATED.
THE FOOTPRINT IS PRETTY SMALL.
UH, AND ALSO THE GARAGE ITSELF, BECAUSE THE STAIRCASE TO THE, UH, SECOND FLOOR ABOVE THE GARAGE WAS INTRUDES INTO THE GARAGE SPACE.
IT REALLY IS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A 21 FOOT GARAGE DOOR, I THINK IT'S ONLY LIKE A 16 FOOT GARAGE ON THE INSIDE.
SO IT'S REALLY ONLY FOR ONE CAR.
YOU CAN'T FIT TWO IN OPEN DOORS.
UM, AND THEN CAROLINE AND I, UH, WORK FROM HOME A COUPLE DAYS A WEEK EACH, AND WE'RE BOTH LAWYERS AND WE'RE YELLING AT PEOPLE ALL THE TIME ON THE PHONE, AND WE NEED OUR OWN SPACE.
AND THEN THE GIRLS SHOW UP AND THEY START YELLING AT US.
AND SO WE ALSO, WE WANTED TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE SPACE ABOVE THE GARAGE TO ACTUALLY JUST FORMALLY HAVE OFFICE SPACE BECAUSE AGAIN, THE HOUSE IS WONDERFUL AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT THERE ARE NO OFFICES, RIGHT? IT'S JUST LIKE A BUNCH OF BEDROOMS IN A DOWNSTAIRS.
UM, AND SO REALLY THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE OUR DREAM HOUSE.
AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE THIS EXPANSION.
NOW, UH, I'M SURE THE BUILDING FOLKS CAN KIND OF CORROBORATE, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
BUT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1938.
IF YOU NOTICE THAT BLUE DOTTED LINE DIAGONALLY ON THE TOP.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ZONE.
THAT'S KIND OF THE LINE WHERE THE VARIANCE HITS THE SETBACK.
UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S FROM LIKE 1956 OR FROM THE 2001.
I BELIEVE THE STATUTE THAT WAS CITED FOR US IS THE 2001 STATUTE, 2003.
UM, JUST NO, I'M, I'M JUST IN THE MOOD FOR CHICKEN NOW THAT'S
I'M JUST LIKE, I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING, BUT THIS IS DONE
I, UM, SO THE, THE, THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE IS ACTUALLY THESE TWO LITTLE SLIVERS IN YELLOW, RIGHT? SO BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING THE GARAGE FORWARD A LITTLE BIT AND WE'RE MOVING THE, UH, THE KITCHEN OUT BACK A LITTLE BIT, UH, AND WE'RE KEEPING THE LINE OF THE HOUSE FLUSH AS OPPOSED TO DIAGONAL IT CREATE, IT REQUIRES THAT VARIANCE IN YELLOW.
UM, SO IT'S NOT A TON OF SPACE RELATIVE TO THE HOUSE OR TO THE EXPANSION.
IT IS FLUSH WITH THE CURRENT LINE.
UM, OUR NEIGHBORS ON 18 PACKS FOR WHICH ARE, IS THE NEIGHBOR THAT ABUTS US DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH, UM, ARE AWARE AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY ENTHUSIASTIC.
THEY WERE OVER YESTERDAY, WERE TALKING ABOUT LIKE DESIGNS AND LIKE SHRUBBERY AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF.
I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET FROM 20 AXFORD, THE 10 BOMBS EVEN WROTE A LETTER BECAUSE, UM, EVERYONE'S JUST, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW FREQUENT, BUT PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORHOOD TEND TO BE PSYCHED ABOUT LIKE THE RENOVATIONS.
AND I THINK HAVING A NICE, YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, KITCHEN AND BATHROOM ON THE FLOOR AND COUPLE OF OFFICE SPACES AND REAL TOGAR GARAGE, UH, WILL GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS IMPROVING THE HOUSE.
AND AGAIN, JUST BECAUSE THE SETBACK LINE KIND OF RUNS THROUGH THE HOUSE, UM, IN ORDER TO BE FLUSH AND NOT LIKE WEIRDLY DIAGONAL, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE MUCH MORE INTRUSIVE.
UM, WE KIND OF ARE IN A LITTLE BIT PAST THE LINE.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE STORY OF THE VARIANCE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THE HOUSE EXPANSION.
IS THAT WHAT WAS NOTICED? I DIDN'T SEE IT.
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UH, THERE ARE TWO.BECAUSE WHEN I NOTICED I'M ONLY LOOKING AT BASKETBALL.
NO, THERE'S A USE AND AN AREA READY USE.
THAT'S FOR, THAT'S FOR THE SECOND ONE.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE AREA THAT MEANS YEAH, YEAH.
I'M LOOKING AT THIS NOT THE AGENDA, BUT THIS IS WHAT WAS NOTICED TO THE PUBLIC.
IT LOOKS KIND OF WONKY THE WAY IT WAS NOTICED.
IT'S, SO IT JUST SAYS IT'S CONTINUED THE WAY IT READ.
THE ONLY THING ON HERE, THE WHERE THE USE VARIANCE.
I CAN ASK, I CAN TALK ABOUT THE USE VARIANCE NEXT I HAVE.
YEAH, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE, THERE ARE THREE VARIANCES AND YOU JUST WENT THROUGH THE FIRST ONE.
DO YOU HAVE AN EXISTING VARIANCE? NO.
'CAUSE WHEN I LOOK BACK TO THE HOUSE, IT LOOKED LIKE I, I DIDN'T THINK YOU DID, BUT IF YOU PUT, PUT BACK THE OTHER, THE, THE, UH, DRAWING YEAH.
IS, THAT'S THE WHOLE VARI THE EXISTING HOUSE.
YES, THE GREEN IS THE EXISTING HOUSE, BUT I BELIEVE THE VARIANCE LINE, UM, WE WERE, UH, CAME IN AFTER THE HOUSE WAS BUILT.
SO THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1938 AND THAT LINE WAS DRAWN AFTER THE HOUSE WAS ALREADY THERE.
OKAY, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING TO GO THE TWO YELLOW PIECES E FLUSH IN THE FRONT.
SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY MOVING IT ANY FURTHER, JUST A LITTLE MORE TO THE SIDE THAT, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, AND TO CORRECT THE RECORD, I WAS PROVIDED WITH THE JOURNAL NEWS ARTICLE DATED MAY 5TH, WHICH DOES OUTLINE THE FULL APPLICATION.
THIS IS WHERE THE HOUSEHOLD BE.
IT'S ON THE SECOND PAGE IN THE BACK.
I'M READILY, UH, NOTED AS THE BRAINS OF THE OPERATION.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE IT FLUSH, UM, IN THE FRONT FOR THE FACADE TO BE FLUSH ON THAT SIDE AND THEN FLUSH ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO JUST TO KIND OF BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW THE HOUSE JUTS OUT, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE WAY THE HOUSES WERE BUILT AND NOT KIND OF CREATE ADDITIONAL JUT OUTS HERE AND THERE.
JUST TRYING, TRYING TO CREATE AS MANY, I JUST WANTED TO ESTABLISH THAT BECAUSE YEAH, SOMETIMES YOU SAY, WELL, CAN'T YOU PULL IT BACK A LITTLE? BUT THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING HOUSE, RIGHT? YEAH, THE HOUSE IS ALREADY THERE OF THE 19TH ONE.
SO, SO THAT'S THE, THE, THE HOME EXPANSION PIECE, UM, OR, OR, UH, IMPROVEMENT.
THEN THE, THE SECOND PIECE IS, NO, I THINK I MOVED THE SLIDES BECAUSE OF MY FINGERS.
YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE DRAGGING THINGS THAT'S, UH, CAN STAY ON THE RECORD.
UM,
UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND.
WE HAVE THREE BEAUTIFUL LITTLE GIRLS, 6, 8, 10.
THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING BASKETBALL PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM SINCE THEY WERE THREE.
THE, UH, MY 10 YEAR OLDS HAVE BEEN PLAYING FOR THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
SHE PLAYS ZERO ROUND TWO BASKETBALL TEAMS. THEIR A A U TEAM WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP LAST YEAR IN THEIR LEAGUE, AND SHE'S ON THE EDGEMONT TEAM.
UH, MY TWO YOUNGER ONES ARE ON THE REC LEAGUE AND MY, MY MIDDLE ONE ACTUALLY MADE THE TRAVEL TEAM A YEAR AHEAD.
SO LIKE, THEY LOVE BASKETBALL, THEY LOVE PLAYING, THEY'RE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT IT.
UM, AND THEY'RE SUPER ATHLETIC, ACTIVE GIRLS.
SO WE PLAY SOCCER IN THE YARD.
WE PLAY LACROSSE IN THE YARD, LIKE WE USE OUR BACKYARD FOR SPORTS AND FOR PLAY.
UM, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT MY, OUR GIRLS LOVE.
UM, AND THAT'S HOW WE USE OUR PROPERTY.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, OR NOT, FORTUNATELY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WONDERFUL, BUT IT'S HILLY.
YOU CAN'T REALLY PLAY BASKETBALL ON DRIVEWAYS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE NEAREST SCHOOL IS SEALY.
THEY CAN'T REALLY EVEN WALK THERE.
THE ROADS THERE BOTH HADDON AND IS A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE ROAD.
UM, THEY HAVE TO CROSS ALEY ROAD, WHICH IS A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE ROAD, AND THEY HAVE TO WALK ON WINDY ROADS WITHOUT SIDEWALKS TO GET THERE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CANDIDLY NOT THE BIGGEST FAN OF THEM WALKING TO THE, TO BASKETBALL COURTS.
NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR AGE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ROADS.
AND FRANKLY, NONE OF THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTUALLY DO THAT.
AND I SUSPECT THAT'S THE REASON.
UM, SO WHAT WE WERE HOPING TO DO IS PUT AN AREA FOR THEM TO PLAY BASKETBALL, UM,
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ON OUR PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE FLAT.UM, AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SUPER AWESOME PLACE TO PUT IT.
I'LL JUST JUMP TO THIS LAST SLIDE FIRST AND I'LL GO BACK.
BUT IN THE SIDE OF OUR HOUSE, THERE IS A FLAT AREA THAT IS, YOU KNOW, HAS TREES IN BETWEEN THE, THE YARD AND THE ROAD.
IT HAS LIKE MATURE ROSE AND LIKE ROSE BUSHES AND LIKE LAVENDER BUSHES ON ONE SIDE, MATURE FLOWERS ON THE OTHER SIDE.
AND SO ONE OF THE, THE ISSUES THAT WE HAD IN KIND OF CHOOSING WHERE TO, YOU KNOW, PLAN THE SPACE THAT WE, WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TREES AND THE, THE MATURE PLANT LIFE AND WE HAVE THIS AWESOME FLAT AREA THAT CAN FIT THE SPACE WITHOUT DISTURBING ANYTHING, BUT IT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF A VARIANCE IN TERMS OF SPACE.
UM, NOW IN TERMS OF USE VARIANCE, UM, I, YOU KNOW, AS LAWYERS WE COMPLETELY GET THE FACT THAT, THAT IT IS A USE VARIANCE FROM A A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT CANDIDLY FROM OUR FAMILY'S PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE DRIBBLING A BALL AS OPPOSED TO KICKING A BALL OR AS OPPOSED TO THROWING A BALL IN A LACROSSE STICK IN THE EXACT SAME AREA WHERE THEY'RE ALREADY DOING IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT USING THE SPACE FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN PLAY.
UM, SO YES, I'M GOING TO NEED JUST AN EXPLANATION OF WHY THIS LEGALLY IS A USE.
WHY IS A USE VARIANCE REQUIRED HERE IN THE, OUR DISTRICTS WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG BASKETBALL COURTS ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED AND THE ZONING CODE PROHIBITS ANY USE THAT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED AS PROHIBITED.
THEY SPECIFICALLY ALLOW TENNIS COURTS, BUT NOT BASKETBALL COURTS.
UM, I JUST WANNA NOTE FOR THE BOARD, UM, WE ARE WORKING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER TO PROPOSE ADDING BASKETBALL COURTS, UM, INTO THE ZONING CODE.
UM, AS IT IS SILENT IN THE DISTRICT, THE ONLY DISTRICT WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG THAT, UH, SPECIFICALLY LISTED IS THE LIMITED OFFICE BUSINESS DISTRICT.
SO IF THIS WAS A TENNIS COURT, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED TO PUT IT IN THAT THEY WOULD BE WITHOUT A USE VARIANCE.
THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO SETBACKS AND LOCATION, BUT NOT, NOT THAT.
AND, AND, AND WHAT I I, I'M SORRY.
SO WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A USE VARIANCE FOR THIS.
I MEAN,
UH, TENNIS COURTS DO HAVE SPECIFIC SETBACKS AND REQUIREMENTS.
BUT WE WOULD STILL NEED TO MEET THE CRITERIA FOR USE VARIANCE, NOT WE.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S, THERE'S ONLY ALREADY PRIMARY USE ON THE LOT.
I'M NOT, THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT.
SO THE USE VARIANCE IS FOR THE ACCESSORY USE.
SO AS AN ACCESSORY USE, A TENNIS COURT IS SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED, BUT NO, THERE'S NO OTHER MENTION TO ANY OTHER BASKETBALL COURTS.
YOU CAN HAVE A USE VARI VOLLEY FOR ACCESSORY USE.
WELL, IT'S A USE, WHETHER IT BE PRINCIPAL OR ACCESSORY, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE, IT MAKES NO SENSE.
ALL RIGHT, CHRIS, I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT.
THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT IN THE ZONING CODE.
NO, I I WE HAD A SIMILAR CASE NOT TOO MANY YEARS AGO THAT WENT ON QUITE, UH, SOME TIME.
AND THAT WAS A BASKETBALL HOOP IN A DRIVEWAY THAT WENT ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I DON'T KNOW THAT FINANCIAL HARDSHIP WAS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS REQUIRED FOR A, AN ACCESSORY USE VI VARIANCE.
IT DIDN'T SAY FINANCIAL, IT'S, THERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
IS THAT TRUE? YES, YOU'RE CORRECT.
THERE HAS TO BE A HARDSHIP, THERE HAS TO BE A UNIQUE HARDSHIP.
IT DIDN'T SAY FINANCIAL HARDSHIP.
THAT'S TRUE FOR, THERE'S DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR AN ACCESSORY USE VARIANCE.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? UM, IS THE CHANGE THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO MAKE TO THE HOUSE GOING TO CHANGE THE DRIVEWAY AND GARAGE AREA? BECAUSE WHAT I'VE NOTICED IN YOUR AREA IS THAT THERE, YES, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ENORMOUS DRIVEWAY.
YOU DO HAVE A SLOPE ON YOUR DRIVEWAY.
LOTS OF YOUR NEIGHBORS HAVE BASKETBALL COURTS IN THEIR BUILT INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY.
DID YOU EXAMINE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY? YES, BUT THE, THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE BASKETBALL
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HOOPS IN THEIR DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY HAVE LEVEL DRIVEWAYS.SO NEXT DOOR TO US, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT, THEIR DRIVEWAY.
ACTUALLY, IF YOU, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT IT ON GOOGLE MAPS, YOU WOULD SEE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY, UM, INTO THE LAND AND THEN THERE'S A PARK DRIVEN INTO THE LAND AND THEN THERE'S A RETAINING WALL AND OUR JUST GOES UP.
AS OPPOSED TO INTO THE LAND WITH THE RETAINING WALL.
OH YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A MUCH LARGER PROJECT TO FLATTEN THE DRIVEWAY, UM, THAN ANYTHING THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY CONSIDERING.
DID YOU, DID I HEAR THAT THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING BASKETBALL NETS ON DRIVEWAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? RIGHT.
SO ATTEN ESSENTIALLY THEY COULD HAVE A PATIO AND PUT A BASKETBALL LOOP ON IT.
UH, I MEAN, A TENNIS COURT IS LARGER, A STANDARD TENNIS COURT IS LARGER THAN THIS BASKETBALL HOOP.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT YOU CAN'T SOMEHOW MAKE SOME KIND OF CONSIDERATION.
WELL, WELL THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING HERE.
ONE IS THE BASKETBALL COURT AS A USE VARIANCE, AND THEN THE SPACE FOR THE BASKETBALL COURT THAT THAT'S REQUIRES AN AREA VARIANCE.
I JUST DON'T, I CAN'T BELIEVE
WELL YOU CAN'T HAVE IT IN A SIDE YARD.
THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S, THIS IS A SIDE YARD.
SO YOU, YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS POSITIVELY.
I CAN UNDERSTAND OR NEGATIVELY, NO, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT A BASKETBALL HOOP AND IF THEY COULD PUT A TENNIS COURT IN WHICH IS BIGGER.
OKAY, SO THE FIRST VARIANCE, NO, THIS ISN'T JUST A HOOP, THIS IS A HALF COURT.
WELL, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LEGISLATIVE DECISION AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING ZONING COURT.
IF YOU WANTED TO NULLIFY JURY NULLIFICATION THAT I THINK THAT THERE'S A WAY THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE WITHOUT ASKING.
I JUST, I JUST THINK JUST THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, THAT WOULD BE OUR OPTION.
BASED ON THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CURRENT CODE, THIS IS THE OPTION BEFORE US, WHICH THEY ARE INDICATING THAT THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO A USE VARIANCE AND AN ITERATIVE MATTER.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, NEEDS TO BE NOW, CORRECT? IT IS.
AND ONE IS PREDICATED UPON THE OTHER.
THAT'S FOR BASKETBALL, CORRECT? WELL, BASKETBALL COURT, YEAH.
DIFFERENT COURTS HAVE DIFFERENT IMPACT.
BASKETBALL COURT, YOU TURN ON BASKETBALL COURTS OR ILLEGAL TALKING ABOUT TENNIS SPORTS.
VOLLEYBALL COURTS, THEY'RE ALL PICKLE BALL COURT, PICKLE BALL, PICKLE BALL'S SMALLER THAN TENNIS COURT.
YEAH, WE DON'T IS A RAISED COURT IS A RA I THIS IS FOR OUR LAWYERS IS A, LIKE AN ELEVATED COURT, UM, THAT'S REMOVABLE SEASONALLY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A PERMIT? AN ELEVATED COURT? YEAH.
THAT WOULD REQUIRE A, A PERMIT AS WELL.
SO THE, THE, AND IT'S VERY SPECIFIC AND THAT'S WHY AS AN ACCESSORY USE, IT SAYS ACCESSORY USES SWIMMING POOLS AND TENNIS COURTS ARE PERMITTED SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS IN 2 85, 36.
AND THEN IT GOES INTO FURTHER RESTRICTIONS, WHICH REQUIRES TO HAVE A TENNIS COURT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM LOT SIZE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SETBACKS, UH, COVERAGE.
SO THERE, THERE ARE FURTHER, YOU KNOW, AREAS.
AND THAT'S AGAIN, WE ARE WORKING IN AMENDING THE ZONING CODE.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT STAFF IS PROPOSING IS TO ADD BASKETBALL COURTS.
SO PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO DO THIS WITHOUT SEEKING A USE VARIANCE.
HOW QUICKLY IS THAT GONNA HAPPEN? WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON IT ACTIVELY NOW.
WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE IT BEFORE THE, UM, TOWN BOARD WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
SO WE CAN TELL THEM TO WAIT, I WAS JUST, WELL
IT'S, IT'S GONNA, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A QUITE A FEW HEARING AND ITERATIONS, BUT, UM, YEAH, I'LL DO THE FIRST ONE.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND AGAIN, THAT HAS TO BE ADOPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD AND PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS IS THE PLAN AS IT AS IT'S SET, UM, IS IT WITHIN THE, UH, THE GROUND COVERAGE ALLOWED OR IS IT TOO MUCH THERE, THERE WAS NO, UM, OVERAGE ON, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE.
SO HOW QUICKLY DO YOU NEED THE BASKETBALL COURT AS OPPOSED TO THE AREA VARIANCES THAT YOU NEED FOR THE OTHER THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO? UM, WELL IF YOU ASK MY DAUGHTERS, UM, I CAN DO THAT FOR ME.
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EXACTLY.THEY, THEY HAVE THE, UM, UH, YES.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE THEIR FATHER, SO THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO YOU.
AND I WILL HAVE YOU TALK TO THEM BECAUSE THAT IS A POINT OF CONTENTION IN OUR HOUSE.
OH, IT'S BEEN RAINING SO MUCH.
WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN HAVING TOO MUCH FUN HERE.
LET'S GET NO, I LOOK, I, I THINK, I MEAN, IN, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, WE ARE, WE ARE VERY EAGER TO START WITH THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE HOUSE.
UM, I THINK ALL OF THE KIND OF MACRO UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKETPLACE, UM, IS MAKING US VERY, VERY SKITTISH.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET STARTED AND TO BUY THINGS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE PRICES CRYSTALLIZED AT INSANE TARIFFS.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY THE, THE URGENCY REALISTICALLY IS FOR THE VARIANCE ON THE HOUSE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S KEEPING US UP AT NIGHT.
UM, AND THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
UM, THE BASKETBALL COURT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE PARALLEL WITH THE HOUSE INDEPENDENTLY AT ANY POINT ONCE IT'S APPROVED.
SO THE URGENCY CERTAINLY IS NOT THERE.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT THERE FOR THE SUMMER FOR THE GIRLS TO PLAY.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME, CANDIDLY THE SAME TEMPORAL URGENCY.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE WOULDN'T LOVE TO DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
UM, WE WERE THINKING OF SENDING OUR KIDS TO TENNIS LESSONS.
UM, BUT
WE SAID WE'RE HAVING TOO MUCH FUN HERE.
WE, WE, WE, WE ARE VERY MUCH EAGER TO GET STARTED ON THE HOME EXPANSION.
THAT IS WITHOUT A DOUBT OUR URGENCY.
UM, WE WOULD ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THE BASKETBALL COURT, BUT IF THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, WE UNDERSTAND AND WE'RE PATIENT, UM, BUT AGAIN, WE, WE, WE WOULD LOVE YOUR CONSIDERATION ON BOTH MATTERS.
WELL, I MEAN THERE'S ALSO PRACTICALITY, LIKE IF WE WERE GONNA BUNDLE THIS AND LOOK AT THIS ALL AT ONE, AT AS ONE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT LONGER POTENTIALLY THAN A DECISION ON THE FIRST FOR THE HOUSE.
AND I'M, I KNOW I'M SPEAKING FOR BOTH OF US, BUT WITHOUT A DOUBT THE HOUSE IS THE PRECEDENT FOR THE REASON THE IS THE URGENT MATTER FOR THE REASONS I, I STATED I MISSED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONSIDERATION.
THANK WE APPRECIATE THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANYTHING THEY WANT SAY ON THE BASKETBALL COURT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S NOT THIS ONE, IT'S THIS ONE BECAUSE OKAY.
CAN WE GO OFF SO WE CAN TAKE OUR LITTLE BREAK PLEASE.
AND THEN WE WILL DO OUR DELIBERATIONS.
I WAS TOLD I CAN'T EAT OUR, I'M ALWAYS OH, THEY GOT MY BACK.
I THINK I NEED A LITTLE POWDER MAKEUP.
WHAT SAY YOU, I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE GROUP ON THIS.
WELL I THINK, WELL BEFORE YOU GET IN INTO THIS IN TWO GREATER DETAIL MM-HMM
THE APPLICANT MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES AND ATTRIBUTED STATEMENTS TO, UH, COMMENTS BY A DEPUTY OR ASSISTANT TOWN ENGINEER.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA HAVE TO, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THAT IS IN HIS COMMENTS OR ANYTHING IN WRITING FROM HIM.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU CAN CONTACT HIM EITHER CLOSE FOR DECISION ONLY AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THAT SURE.
DOCUMENTS OR PUT IT OVER FOR ALL PURPOSES.
WELL, WE CAN PUT IT OVER FOR ALL PURPOSES THEN.
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YES.MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT I, I THINK IT IS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION FOR A WHILE IN TERMS OF MAKING SUGGESTIONS TO APPLICANTS IN TERMS OF HOW THEY CAN IMPROVE THEIR APPLICATION.
UM, AT THIS TIME I DO BELIEVE THEY'VE ATTEMPTED IN GOOD FAITH TO MEET US.
UM, EVEN THE NEIGHBOR HAD INDICATED A TWO FOOT VARI, I MEAN TWO FOOT BUFFER.
UM, I MEAN I PERSONALLY HAD DIFFERENT VISION OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, BUT IT'S NOT SOLELY, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR DISCRETION, YOU KNOW, ARTISTICALLY PEOPLE SEE THINGS A CERTAIN WAY.
BUT I DO BELIEVE IN GOOD FAITH THEY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO, UM, MEET THE ONLY THING I MAY ALSO WANNA SEE.
UM, ONLY BECAUSE THAT LITTLE KIND OF CIRCULAR CUTOUT, JUST TO KNOW THE EXACT MEASUREMENTS ARE BETWEEN THOSE TWO YELLOW ZONES, THAT IN FACT THAT IT IS 10.4, 10.6 I THINK THEY WERE PROPOSING.
UM, BUT THAT IS DRASTICALLY DOWN FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL WAS, WHICH I THINK WAS OVER 20 FEET.
SO I THINK FOR ALL INTENT PURPOSES THEY HAVE ATTEMPTED TO, UM, BRING THE PROPERTY AS CLOSE TO COMPLIANCE AS PASSABLE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS WHAT ED HAD JUST SAID.
THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CORRECT.
I SAID PENDING THAT I WOULD WANNA SEE THAT AS WELL.
IN SUPPORT OF THEIR APPLICATION.
OH YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IN SUPPORT OF THEIR APPLICATION, THE COMMENTARY THAT WAS MADE, THAT THEY DID WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND SAID OFFICIALS OF THE TOWN IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION, THEY WERE WORKING WITH THE 10 ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
CAN I JUST ASK, UM, THEY TALKED ABOUT THE TREES AND ALL THAT.
HAVE THEY BEEN MET THE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL THE TREES THEY TOOK DOWN? I BELIEVE, UM, THE FORESTRY OFFICER, AARON SCHMIDT AT THE TIME ISSUED PERMITS, UH, FOR THE TREE REMOVALS.
AND UH, I CAN ALSO GET INFORMATION FROM AARON TO CONFIRM THAT.
BUT WE COULD ALSO, UH, PUT THAT AS A CONDITION RIGHT.
THAT ANYTHING WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THE FORESTRY.
AND ALSO JUST TO ADD ADDITIONAL SCREENING SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT BACK GARAGE.
I, I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO MM-HMM
IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT OVER TIME IT HAS JUST TURNED INTO A, A MORE PERSONALIZED DISCUSSION VERSUS THE FACTS OF WHERE THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY LINES WERE.
UM, I I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, MS. UM, 'CAUSE YOU HAD MADE A STATEMENT AND THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON.
THERE WAS, UM, DRAINAGE THAT WAS DISCHARGING ONTO THE DRIVEWAY.
THEY CONNECTED THOSE TO DRAIN PIPES AND BROUGHT THEM TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THEY ACTUALLY SENT US PICTURES.
AND IN THE ZBA PACKET, THERE ARE PICTURES OF, OF THE CONNECTIONS.
BECAUSE THAT KIND OF BOTHERS ME THAT THERE WAS, I GUESS YOU DON'T CALL IT TESTIMONY, UM, THAT SAID THAT IT WASN'T DONE.
WELL I THINK THEY WERE EXPECTING IT, THEM TO HAVE TO DIG UP THE DRIVEWAY TO DO IT, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IT ALONGSIDE THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, SO FAR WILLIAM HASN'T SAID ANYTHING THAT I WOULD CONTEND WITH.
LIKE I SAID, NORMALLY WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS.
BUT AS I SAID, I DO BELIEVE THEY ATTEMPTED, WE DID SUGGEST A NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THIS BUFFER CONTAIN TREES, BUSHES, SOMETHING, BUT IT DOESN'T, IT'S A BUFFER.
THEY'RE PUT THE STONES ON THE SIDE.
NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU PUT SOME PRICKLY DISHES THERE AND NOW IT SCRAPED SOMEONE ELSE'S CAR.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THEIR CAR.
IT'S SO NARROW THAT IF ANYTHING IS THERE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBOR.
UNLESS WE HAVE A PLAN TO GROW STRAIGHT UP ON ONE SIDE, A CEDAR CEDARS, IS THERE A BENEFIT TO CLO? WHAT'S THE, IF WE CLOSED IT FOR DECISION ONLY RATHER THAN ADJOURNING IT? WELL, WE DON'T HAVE WE ADJOURN IT IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THE RECORD.
WHAT DO NOT YET, HOW ARE WE DOING? YEAH.
WE SHOULD ADJOURN IT FOR ALL PURPOSES.
IT SHOULDN'T HOLD, IT SHOULDN'T HOLD THINGS UP.
I GUESS I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND.
WHAT WAS IT THAT YOU SAID WAS STATED THAT WE NEED PROOF OF? THE APPLICANT QUOTED SEVERAL TIMES THE DEPUTY OR ASSISTANT TOWN ENGINEER FEDERICI, THAT HE AGREED TO CERTAIN THINGS THAT HE, HE WROTE CERTAIN THINGS, HE APPROVED CERTAIN THINGS AND, BUT THEY CHOSE NOT TO SUBMIT ANYTHING FROM HIM.
COULD WE PUT THAT IN AS A CONDITION THAT
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ALL THOSE MATTERS WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? WHY? JUST I DON'T THINK WE WANNA OPEN IT TO MORE TESTIMONY.I THINK WE'VE HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY WE WANT AND SO I'D LIKE, IN MY REC, I'D LIKE IT TO BE CLOSED FOR DECISION RECORD SUBJECT TO DOCUMENTATION.
WELL, EXCEPT THAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET.
YOU HAVEN'T PUT IT IN THE RECORD.
YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE A, YOU EITHER HAVE TO HAVE A CONDITION OR YOU HAVE, WHICH ED SAID WE CAN'T DO SO, OR YOU'D HAVE YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT.
SO WE'RE GONNA, SO NEXT MONTH ROLLS AROUND AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, WELL YOU HAVE PACKET.
WE'LL BE SITTING HERE CITING WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
BUT WE'RE GONNA GONNA GET A LETTER FROM THE ENGINEER, TOWN ENGINEER, BUT THEN WE'VE GOTTA OPEN IT TO TESTIMONY FROM EVERYBODY AGAIN.
AND WELL THEY HAVE TO SEE THE TESTIMONY, RIGHT.
JUST AS YOU WOULD HAVE TO, I THEORETICALLY YOU COULD, YOU COULD DEPOSE THE HEARING, KEEP THE RECORD OPEN FOR 10 DAYS FOR THEM TO SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO READ IT.
AND THEN IF YOU WANTED TO, IF YOU, IF THAT RAISED ANY QUESTIONS IN YOUR MIND THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK TO, EITHER MR. FEDERICI OR, OR WHAT THEY SUBMIT DOES NOT COMPORT WITH WHAT THEY SAID, THEY DIDN'T DO THAT, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO VOTE TO REOPEN THE HEARING AND COME BACK YET ANOTHER MONTH AGAIN IN ORDER TO HASH THAT OUT.
CORRECT? I THINK ED IS CORRECT.
THERE MIGHT BE THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW OF THAT HAVE JUST BEEN UNCONSCIOUSLY OMITTED LIKE BY ACCIDENT.
I GUESS IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DOTTING EVERY I RIGHT.
SO THAT WE DON'T GET, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SHAME.
I FEEL THE ONLY THING WE WERE GONNA DECIDE TONIGHT WHETHER TO APPROVE IT OR DO IT WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT THAT WAS BEFORE THEY BROUGHT UP THIS.
NEXT IS, UH, TWENTY FIVE OH SEVEN SIXTY SEVEN DOBBS BURY ROAD 67.
IF YOU WEREN'T SPEAKING, I REALLY DON'T FIND HIS BASIS FOR ED.
NOT, NOT BASED ON HIS, UM, WHAT, WHAT HIS, HIS ACCOUNTANT OR WHOEVER IT IS.
I THINK IT WASN'T HIS ACCOUNTANT WHO PUT IT TOGETHER FOR HIM, BECAUSE TO ME IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE IN, THERE'S, THAT'S WHY I WAS PUSHING EVERYBODY RIGHT.
I CAN'T LIKE YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME DOCUMENTATION WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT WE NEED TO SEE.
FROM THE TOWN ENTRANCE THERE IS.
SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY YOU OF COURSE THAT WAS BROUGHT, I WAS COPIED ON A COUPLE OF THE EMAILS, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE LATEST ONES.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE RIGHT APPROPRIATE FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE THE RIGHT RECENT RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT GENERIC, I MEAN I, I KNEW RIGHT AWAY THAT WE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, PUT IT OVER.
I JUST WANTED TO COME OUT WITH WHAT ISSUES EVERYONE HAS WITH RESPECT TO IT THAT WE CAN SIT HERE AND DISCUSS AT THIS POINT OR GET ANSWERS.
PUT IT IN THE, LET THE A THE REGULAR LETTER TO THE APPLICANT SAYING THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE WANT.
DOES HE KNOW WHAT KIND OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION WE NEED? OR IS HE JUST, THAT'S GOT US, THAT'S WHICH CASE WE NOT WHICH ONE ARE WE ON? RIGHT.
I THINK WE WERE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST CASE THEY TOLD YOU ABOUT THE FIRST ONE.
YOU CAN START WITH YOUR OPENING STATEMENT AGAIN.
YOU WEREN'T ON 25 0 7 WHEN YOU MADE THAT COMMENT.
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E YOU WANNA REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID? I SAID WITH RESPECT TOTHAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S 20.
HOW DID WE GET TO 25 0 8? WE DIDN'T, WE'RE STILL HERE.
67 DOBBS FAIR ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THAT'S THE ONE I THOUGHT YOU TALKING ABOUT WAS TWO FAMILIES.
THERE ARE TWO, THREE FAMILIES.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT EVE IS ON THE RIGHT.
1/25/07 REFERS TO 67 DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
AND THAT'S THE ONE I WAS ASKING.
TWENTY FIVE OH EIGHT IS 56 DOBBS FERRY.
25 0 7 WAS THE ONE THAT I WAS ASKING.
'CAUSE HE KNOW THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT WE NEED FROM HIM OR IS HE JUST GUESSING? I SAW A WHOLE BUNCH OF OH YES.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT I, I, TO ME THE BIGGER ISSUE IS THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THE SIX SPACES REQUIRED AND I WAS, I WAS THERE GOING TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DOING WHAT WE ASKED.
I I, I WAS THERE TO REQUEST NOT PUT IN THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
BUT I THINK THE GREATER ISSUE NOW IS BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED PARKING, WHICH WOULD LEND ME TO IT BEING AT MOST A TWO FAMILY AS IT'S SEWN FOR JUST, JUST TO, WHICH IS BARRIER VARIANCES.
WHAT ABOUT THE USE VARIANCE HE NEEDS TO USE? HE NEEDS TO USE VARIANCE TO HAVE IT BE MULTIFAMILY.
'CAUSE IT'S ONLY ZONED FOR ONE FAMILY.
SO EVEN IF HE WANTS A TWO FAMILY, AM I CORRECT HERE? HE STILL NEEDS A USE VARIANCE BECAUSE I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO YES.
SO CONCERN OURSELVES WITH AND DETERMINE THING WE TALK ABOUT'S.
THE ONLY THING HESS NOT ASKING FOR ANY AREA VARIANCES.
WELL, YOU BROUGHT UP PARKING, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AS SOON AS YOU BROUGHT THAT PARKING UP, YOU'VE SET ME UP.
FAMILY ONLY HAS TO HAVE FOUR SPACES.
BUT AT THE MOMENT, DID YOU RESOLVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE STATES OF WHEN THIS WAS BUILT, CREATED AND THREE FAMILY THIS HOUSE WAS BUILT AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME? YES.
THAT, THAT WE HAVE RECORDS OF.
IT WAS AT SOME POINT THEREAFTER CONVERTED TO A THREE FAMILY HOUSE WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF PERMITS.
THE ADJOINING HOUSES THAT WERE CITED WERE PERMITTED AS A TWO FAMILY.
UM, ONES THAT WERE CITED THAT ARE ON THE SAME SIDE, THAT ARE IN THE SAME DISTRICT WERE ISSUED SIMILAR, UM, TO THIS PROPERTY.
AT 61, THERE WAS A VARIANCE THAT WAS DENIED FOR A THREE FAMILY.
IN 2010, THEY FILED AN ARTICLE 78.
UM, THEY WERE GRANTED BY THE COURT A TWO FAMILY.
BUT THAT WAS, IT WAS SETTLED BASED ON A REPRESENTATION BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT TWO FAMILIES WERE PERMITTED.
WHICH 61 IN 19, IF AT THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH, BUT UM, YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH EITHER SIDE OF HIM ARE TWO FAMILY HOMES, BUT ACROSS THE STREET ARE THREE, THREE UNIT AND WHICH WAS THE STREET IS THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN THE ZONING.
THE STREET IS A DIVIDING LINE AND BASED ON WHICH ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO READ.
UM, THE APPLICANT, I WENT AND ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE ZONING MAP WITH A MAGNIFYING GLASS.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE THIS PROPERTY WAS, WAS AN RA DISTRICT, WHICH WAS A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS THE STREET WAS A T DISTRICT, WHICH WAS A TWO FAMILY.
IT WOULD THEN MORPHED OVER THE YEARS INTO URBAN, INTO URBAN RENEWAL.
AND NOW IS AN R FIVE LIMITED TWO FAMILY.
SO NOW DID YOU ACTUALLY DISCUSS THIS WITH AIDEN? YES.
AND YOU'VE COME TO A, AN AMICABLE, UM, THAT THE, THE REALLY IT IS IRRELEVANT WHAT ZONING DISTRICT IT WAS AT THE TIME BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ORIGINAL BUILDING PERMIT THAT SHOWS A SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
SO ALL THAT BACK AND FORTH WAS IRRELEVANT.
AND IT ALSO BECOMES EVEN MORE IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THE USE NON-CONFORMING, WHETHER IT WAS OR WAS NOT, HAS BEEN ABANDONED FOR MORE THAN SIX MONTHS.
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NON-CONFORMITY THEY MAY HAVE ONCE ENJOYED IS NOW EXTINGUISHED.SO YOU'RE SAYING IT IS NOW ZONED FOR TWO FAMILY? NO, IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY.
SO IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A USE VARIANCE TO BECOME A MULTIFAMILY.
AND HE'S ONLY ASKING FOR A USE VARIANCE.
HE'S NOT COME TO US FOR ANY AREA VARIANCES.
SO WHAT WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS SHOWN ON THE PLANS IS PARKING FOR SIX VEHICLES, WHICH IS MANDATED UNDER THE CODE.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW THAT THEY CAN FIT THOSE CARS, WHICH JACE HAD SAID THAT BASED ON THE CONFIGURATION, THEY WILL MORE THAN LIKELY NEED TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR VARIANCES SHOULD THEY, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO ED, I I SAW WHEN I WATCHED THE VIDEO, THEY, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN PAYING AS A TAXES AS A MULTI-FAMILY SINCE 1956.
SINCE, WHAT ARE THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT? OR, OR ARE THERE ANY? NONE.
WELL, NU NUMBER ONE, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE TAX DEPARTMENT THAT THE ASSESSMENT DEPARTMENT IS NOT BINDING ON ZONING.
THAT'S A SEPARATE MATTER ALTOGETHER, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, THEY MAY HAVE BEEN ASSESSED FOR THREE UNITS, BUT THEY WERE ALSO EARNING IN INCOME IN THREE UNITS.
SO DON'T FEEL TOO SORRY FOR THE NO, I DON'T FEEL SORRY.
I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A LEGAL IMPLICATION THAT NO, IT WAS RECOGNIZED.
AND THIRDLY, THESE WERE OWNERS LONG BEFORE HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, WHEN HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THERE WAS, UH, IT WAS SUBSEQUENT TO, UH, UH, A SURROGATES COURT ORDER THAT RECITES THAT TWO OF THE UNITS WERE VACANT.
SO WHEN HE BOUGHT IT, PRESUMABLY HE KNEW THAT IT, THERE WAS, HE BOUGHT A, UH, A STRUCTURE THAT WAS OCCUPIED BY ONE APARTMENT ONLY ONE APARTMENT OF WHICH WAS, YEAH, RENTED.
THAT SAID HE DOES SUBMIT EVIDENCE OR HE, HE SUBMITS DOCUMENTATION, WHETHER YOU ACCEPT IT OR NOT AS BEING TRUE OR DISPOSITIVE, THIS IS UP TO YOU.
UH, THAT SHOWS A LOSS AT ONE, A SLIGHT PROFIT AT TWO AND A GREATER PROFIT AT THREE.
SO YOU GRANT, LET'S SAY A TWO FAMILY.
HE, HE'S STILL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, HE'S ASKING FOR THREE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO GRANT HIM THREE.
YOU CAN GRANT HIM TWO, IN WHICH CASE THE ISSUE OF THE, THE FIRE ESCAPE GOES AWAY.
AND THE SPRINKLING I, I'LL DEFER TO LIZ ON.
IN THE PARKING, EVERYTHING GOES AWAY.
THE PARKING NEEDS, BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED SIX FOUR.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY LAST QUESTION.
DID NOT SO MUCH OF A RENO, BUT DID THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR A REQUEST AT TWO? BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION NOW.
NOW WHETHER HE ACCEPTS IT IS ANOTHER STORY.
SO ALL THAT INFORMATION YOU JUST STATED, DON'T ASK ME TO REPEAT IT.
IN FACT,
NO, BUT IS THAT THE, AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT SAYS, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THAT.
WHAT? WHICH YOU JUST STATED ABOUT.
OH, WHICH ONE? IT WAS ONLY, I AGREE WITH YOU.
IT WAS IN, IT'S IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAD.
MAYBE YOU WEREN'T AT THE FIRST ONE.
WERE YOU THERE? IT WASN'T TESTIFIED TO ORALLY.
IT WASN'T TESTIFIED, BUT IT WAS IN THE WRITTEN DOCUMENTS.
'CAUSE I WATCHED THE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON.
I REMEMBER HIM TELLING THE WHOLE STORY ABOUT AN OLD LADY LIVED IN THERE.
BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE OTHER TWO WERE EMPTY.
WE JUST KNEW THAT WELL, SUPPOSEDLY THIS ONE WAS LEFT TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE MOTHER RELATIVES OR SOMETHING.
SO LIKE SIBLINGS, THE WIFE, THIS ONE GETS, THE WIFE WAS LIVING THE WIDOW THAT THEY ALL HAD THEIR, YOU KNOW, SO MADE IT INTO A THREE FAMILY.
OF COURSE, THE THREE FAMILY, THE KID UP TOP ONLY HAD A ONE BEDROOM.
EVERYBODY ELSE HAD THREE BEDROOMS. RIGHT.
CAN I SUBMIT THE POSSIBILITY THAT IF WE, IF WE WERE TO GRANT HIM FOR TWO APARTMENTS, THAT HE WOULD NOT TWO APARTMENTS.
BUT THEY ARE, THEY ARE APARTMENTS.
TWO UNITS IN THESE, IN THE BUILDING.
THAT HE COULD THEN GET RENT FOR TWO UNITS WITH ONE UNIT HAVING MORE ROOM, BEING A DUPLEX.
ONE UNIT BEING A DUPLEX, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND WOULD THAT MAKE UP THE FINANCIAL, IT ALL DEPENDS ON MONEY.
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EXACTLY.BUT YOU CAN GET MORE FOR THREE UNITS THAN YOU CAN FOR, FOR 2, 2, 3 UNITS WITH ONE OF THEM BEING A DUPLEX.
BUT ON THAT TWO UNITS ONLY NEEDS NOT TO BE.
BUT HE STILL MAKES, HE THE, IT'S, YOU NEED TO SHOW THAT YOU, UM, HARDSHIP, FINANCIAL HARDSHIP.
THE DOCUMENTATION SHOWS A SINGLE FAMILY.
WELL, THE WAY YOU SET IT UP, I THINK AT TWO UNITS, IT MAKES MONEY.
EVEN IF IT, HE'S NOT PAYING FOR THE OIL FOR ONE FAMILY.
TRUST ME, THAT WHOLE STING OF IT'S LOSING MONEY IS GONE AT TWO UNITS.
AND AGAIN, THE ONLY OTHER THING IN WHOMEVER'S GOING TO WRITE THIS UP, THE DIFFERENTIATION OF THIS ONE FAMILY, WHICH IS ZONED ONE FAMILY THAT WE'RE NOW GOING TO MAKE, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT, BUT MAKING IT A TWO FAMILY IN A ONE FAMILY ZONE, WHICH THE HOUSES ON SIDE ARE TWO UNITS.
IT'S NOT THE POINT WE'RE DOING THIS WHOLE A IN THE TOWN PRECEDENT THAT SOMEONE IN AN R 10 OR R SEVEN FIVE, I WANT A TWO FAMILY HOME.
I'M REQUESTING A USE VARIANCE AND NOW CONVERT MY HOME.
WELL THE PEOPLE NEXT DOOR, DOOR, LEGALLY HE HAS TWO.
AND YOU'RE NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM.
I'M SAYING NOW, JUST LIKE IF I WANTED TO DO IT RIGHT NOW.
HOW DO YOU SAY NO, I WOULD ASK BECAUSE I'M READY TO DO IT.
I GOT A LOT OF LAND UP THERE,
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? I, I I'M JUST SAYING IT JUST HAS TO BE WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT THIS IS NOW A SPECIALIZED USE THAT DOESN'T APPLY ANYWHERE ELSE.
AND WHAT IS THE SPECIALIZED USE? THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST SAYING.
WELL, I MEAN, WE COULD SAY THE FACT THAT IT'S BEEN TAXED THAT WAY FOR THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS.
IT'S ALSO BEEN THAT WAY THAT WE KNOW SINCE 1956.
AND PROBABLY A LITTLE, IF I WOULD, PROBABLY A LOT OLDER EXCEPTION OF 2021 TO 2024.
WHAT ARE WE DO? SHOULD WE TAKE A VOTE? ARE WE READY TO, OR WELL, BOTH.
ON WHAT? ON WHAT? WE GOTTA FIGURE IT OUT.
MIGHT MEAN MORE CONSTRUCTION WORK INVOLVED.
IF I REMEMBER THE FLOOR PLANS.
WE'LL HAVE TO NO, WELL YOU WOULD'VE TO TAKE, TAKE A DOOR, TWO SEPARATE APARTMENTS AND TURN IT INTO ONE DUPLEX STAIRCASE UPSTAIRS.
IT'S ONE BEDROOM HE CAN TAKE OUT IN THE KITCHEN.
WELL, THAT PRESS CONSTRUCTION CLOSE IT OFF.
WHAT COULD BE THE SECOND SQUARE?
I'VE BEEN WATCHING DOWN ABBEY A LOT.
HOW ABOUT THE CHEFS? I'VE BEEN WATCHING DOWN ABBEY A LOT.
OH, I'M NOT SAYING I CAN TELL YOU.
I'M JUST SAYING KNOW ALL HOUSES.
YOU CAN'T, YOU, YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH STORAGE.
SO OBVIOUSLY NOT THAT UPSTAIRS IS FIXED.
WHAT'S, IT'S MOSTLY CRAWL SPACE ANYWAY.
BUT YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY STORE STUFF THERE.
AND WE HAVE A PRECEDENT FOR THE TWO WITH THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND THE, IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT.
I THINK WE ARE SO, SO, UH, CLOSE IT FOR DECISION ONLY.
NOW WE'RE ONTO THE OTHER DUBS FERRY ROAD.
I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT THE WAY IT WAS GIVEN TO US IN A BOOK.
WAS THIS RIGHT? YOU LIKED IT? I DID A GREAT PRESENTATION.
SO WE SHOULD PULLED EXCEPT FOR THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN EXCEPT I HATED THE ACTUAL PROJECT.
I LIVED IN AN APARTMENT WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WAS, IT WAS A GARAGE AND THEY, IT WAS ONE, TWO, AND IT IS, AND THAT WAS JUST WITH TWO CARS.
SO THE TEENAGER WITH THE CAR, NO FIVE COMES IN AT THREE IN THE MORNING AND PARKS IN THE NUMBER ONE SPOT.
IT'S I POSSIBLE, BUT I MEAN, SHE, SHE, THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU, YOU LITERALLY SAID YOU'RE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE SAYING YOU DON'T THINK IS GONNA WORK AND YOU DON'T NEED, AND YOU YEAH.
BUT I, AND, AND WE'LL ONLY MAKE THE FLOODING THAT YOU'RE ALREADY EXPERIENCING THE SAME WORK.
SPEAKING OF FLOODING, RIGHT? WHEN THEY BUILT THAT CULVERT NO, NO, NO.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A STREAM.
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WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE 500 PARKING SPACES WHEN THEY YEAH.
FOR PICKUP, WHATEVER, THE WATER, BECAUSE I LIVED LIKE THREE BLOCKS AWAY FROM THAT.
AND I WAS ON A LOWER LEVEL AND THE STREAM RAN BEHIND ME.
AND THAT WAS JUST WATER, JUST RUNNING OFF THE PAVEMENT.
SO NOW THEY'RE GONNA GO TO 60% COVERAGE ON THIS SITE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THE OTHER HOMES THAT ARE ON DOPPS FERRY, I KNOW THEY WANTED TO CITE THEM AS HAVING THEIR FULL BACKYARD PAVED.
BUT I AM SURE IF SOMEONE WERE TO PAY THEM A VISIT, IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
LIKE THE NEIGHBOR, THERE'S TWO HOUSES THAT ARE THE TWO NEXT DOOR.
THEY DON'T HAVE A SPEC OF GRASS.
WELL, THERE'S GOING TO BE NO, IT'S DIRT.
PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PARK.
I THINK THEY HAVE IT ON MY SIDE OF THE STREET, WHICH IS THE SIDE OF WHO'S FUNDING OUR, OUR BUDDY STATE.
THE COUNTY HAS THE, I MEAN, UM, OKAY.
I JUST WAS ASKING THE FUNDING SOURCE.
GREENBERG HAS THE MONEY FOR IT.
WHERE DO YOU THINK THE STATE'S GETTING IT?
SO THEY'RE, THEY NEED, THEY NEED, THEY'RE ALREADY OVER.
NO, BUT THEY LITERALLY DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
MY POINT IS THAT THEY'RE ALREADY OVER IN COVERAGE AND THEY DON'T HAVE A PAVED DRIVEWAY.
SO DO WE, CAN WE GIVE THEM LIKE A LE LIKE SOMETHING OR SHOULD WE HAVE THEM COME BACK? I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE OR CAN AND PROPOSE.
SHOULD WE JUST, I MEAN, I, I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT CAN FIT TO CARS.
THE QUESTION NEVER ASKED WAS, IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE HAVE CARS? WELL, WE, WELL, WE ASKED HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE THERE, DO WE? FOUR.
OH, SHE CAME RIGHT OUT AND SAID, SAID THERE ARE FOUR CARS.
THEY DON'T LEAVE ALL THAT PARKING.
AND THERE'S TWO ON THE STREET.
BUT THAT MIGHT, WHEN THEY PUT SIDEWALKS IN, THAT'LL GO AWAY, RIGHT? NO.
'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK, I THINK THE SIDEWALKS GOING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THAT SPACE, EVEN IF THERE IS A SIDEWALK WHERE THERE IT'S ALL CRACKED NOW.
THERE'S A PARKING, A LANE OF PARKING.
THERE'S STILL A LANE OF PARKING.
LIKE I FEEL ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, AT LEAST A PAVED DRIVEWAY.
SO THEY NEED, THEY'RE GONNA NEED A VARIANCE, AT LEAST FOR ONE AND TWO.
BUT WHAT WAS ASKING, MAYBE YOU ALL COULD ANSWER THAT FROM THE BUILDING SIDE OF LIFE, BECAUSE IT'S A STATE ROAD.
OUR TOWN ORDINANCE, IN TERMS OF OVERNIGHT PARKING DURING SNOW, EMERGENCY DOESN'T APPLY.
I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THAT ONE.
AS LONG AS THAT, THAT LINE IS THERE THAT YOU CAN SEE AND THE CARS CAN PASS.
I WAS MORE CURIOUS ABOUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
WHAT IS THAT COVERED THING? THAT'S BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE HOUSE.
NOW? I THINK THAT'S AN EASEMENT.
LOU, SHE'S ASKING AN ARCHITECTURAL QUESTION WHERE THE COVERED THING ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
RIGHT ON THE, ON ON ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'LL SEE IT'S GREEN STICKS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A GARDEN.
OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS YOU'RE SAYING ON THE PROPERTY? ON THE PROPERTY.
IF YOU, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT.
I DON'T HAVE MY PHONE WITH YOU, BUT, UM, IT'S, UM, THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
BUT IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS CONVERSATION.
BUT SO IF YOU SAID THEY COULD GET A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY OR YOU SAY, OH, 'CAUSE RESIDENTIAL, THEY COULDN'T.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IS PER RIGHT, HE MUST HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT IT, THAT IF THIS IS A STATE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY'RE GONNA NEED A CURB CUT TO KIND OF GIVE AN ANGLE IF THEY COULD.
IT SAYS ON PUBLIC ROAD WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP, THIS, THAT INCLUDES STATE ROADS.
GUYS, IS THAT WHAT THAT I THINK THE STATE LAW APPLIES.
IT SAYS NO PARKING OF VEHICLES ON PUBLIC ROADS WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE STATE ROADS.
WHEN IS THIS? DURING SNOW EMERGENCY? YEAH.
SO FROM MAR DECEMBER 1ST TO WHATEVER IT IS IN NOVEMBER TO MARCH 15TH.
BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S ONLY, IT'S NOT THE WHOLE PERIOD TO SIX.
JUST IN CASE THE SNOW EMERGENCY IS CALLED, THEY'RE ON THERE.
SO YOU CAN GET A PERMIT TO PARK ON THE STREET.
AND THEN IF THEY CALL A SNOW EMERGENCY, YOU PAY FOR THE PERMIT.
YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR, YOUR CAR.
I THINK THE TOWN SHOULD PARTNER WITH WHOEVER OWNS THAT SHOPPING MALL.
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OR HAVE THE SHOPPING MALL.THEY COULD, THEY'RE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE.
THEY COULD CHARGE PEOPLE TO, THAT'S THERE'S, THEY COULD INSTITUTION WANNA TAKE A LIABILITY.
DON'T YOU THINK? THEY PARK THERE ANYWAY.
THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANNA DO.
THESE PEOPLE ARE PAYING OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SPACES TO PARK THEIR CARS.
THIS ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A LARGER, IT'S BJ'S MALL.
OH, I CAN'T CALL IT BJ'S MALL, BUT THAT'S THAT MALL.
BUT BEHIND IT, IT'S ALL KIND BEHIND HOUSE KIND.
OR THAT IT WAS KMART BEFORE THAT IT WAS KALDOR, THE HOUSE.
NO, I ALL BOMBS WAS ON THE, IF YOU LOOK AT GOOGLE, YEAH, THE AERIAL VIEW.
AND I THINK IT'S ACCESS TO THE BASEMENT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE STREET.
I THINK THERE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING DOWN THERE,
OH, THERE'S A, THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR SIX CARS HERE LOOKING AT THAT.
ISN'T NO, WELL THEY HAVE, THE WAY THEY HAVE IT IS THEY HAVE ONE THROUGH FIVE.
I I KNOW, BUT THEY, THEY'RE FREE PARKING BUMPER TO BUMPER.
WELL THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE SAYING.
UH, WILLIAM WAS ALLUDING TO WILLIAM, I'M LISTENING AND, AND YOU, YOU BEAT ME TO IT BECAUSE I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, ALL HE'S SHOWING WAS HOW YOU CAN PUT SIX CARS IN THAT SPOT WITH NO WAY TO GET OUT.
NO WAY TO GET OUT OF THE CAR OR BASICALLY GET IN IF THERE'S ANY OTHER IN FRONT OF THE MOUTH OR PUT ANYTHING IN.
IF THEY PULL DEAD, IF SOMEONE PARKS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT, YOU DEAD.
THEY CAN PULL OUT INTO THAT ACCESS.
WHAT YOU MEAN IN SPOT NUMBER? PULL OUT.
I PULL IN AT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GONNA, I HAVE TO CHANGE CLOTHES REAL FAST.
I SAID, IF YOU STOP RIGHT HERE, FORGET THAT.
SO WHAT IF I JUST PULL IN HERE RIGHT NOW? EVERYBODY ELSE IS COMING HOME AND I JUST WENT IN THE HOUSE AND I, WELL, THEY, THEY WANNA GET IN.
SO DO WE JUST SAY NO ONE, THIS ONE, OR DO WE A VARIANCE TO HAVE AN ACTUAL DRIVEWAY TAKING THAT DOWN? THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL.
SO DO WE JUST SAY, NO ONE THIS OR TELL THEM TO COME BACK ONLINE? IT'S NOT AJOUR.
ADJOURN IT AND MAKE ONE FOR TWO CARS.
KIRA WILL THEN SEND A LETTER SAYING IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HEARD THE, UH, DELIBERATIONS, UH, REDUCE.
PLEASE TRY TO REDUCE COMING DOWN THE, UM, YOUR REQUEST.
YOU CAN'T DEPEND ON WHO'S OCCUPYING THE PREMISES.
THAT'S NOT A WALL THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE.
THAT IS THE AREA OF OTHERWISE THAT IS COMING DOWN.
WHAT IS THE LENGTH OF THE CEDAR STONES UNDERNEATH? THERE'S ALL THE PICTURES IN STONE.
LISTEN, WHAT THE SETBACK IS, ED, I'M LISTENING.
REPEAT EVERYTHING YOU WERE SAYING.
SPEEDING WAS, WAS DISTRACTING ME TO THESE TWO OVER HERE.
YOU CANNOT ZONING RUNS WITH THE LAND.
SO YOU CAN'T UH, YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, THE TENANTS THAT ARE THERE NOW ONLY HAVE FOUR CARS BECAUSE THAT CAN CHANGE.
THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE THERE, BUT THE PEOPLE WILL CHANGE CERTAINLY OVER THE YEARS.
SO YOU CANNOT DEPEND ON THE DEMAND BY THE CURRENT TENANT.
ARE THERE A LEGAL THREE THREE UNIT? YEAH.
IS THERE A REASON WHY SHE WA I MEAN, SHE'S GRANDFATHERED TO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THEM.
IS THERE A REASON WHY SHE, NOBODY WANTS TO GET THE TWO.
SHE WANTED TENANTS TO GET MORE MONEY SO SHE COULD COLLECT MORE MONEY.
COULD YOU COULD CHARGE MORE RENT FOR THE PERSON WHO GETS THE FIRST SPOT.
WELL, IF SHE REMOVES THE PLASTIC, THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THAT.
THEY COULD JUST PULL OUT INTO THAT PATHWAY.
WHERE THE HOUSE IS IS REALLY ROUGH BECAUSE JUST, IT'S JUST WHEN IT SWOOPS DOWN, THERE'S, AND THE ACCESS INTO THERE.
LIKE SHE HAS A, ALONG HER PROPERTY LINE, SHE HAS LIKE THIS LITTLE, THIS PLASTIC FENCE.
WAIT, THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE? YEAH, BUT YOU COULD ONLY, YOU COULD PROBABLY COME OUT AND DO THAT.
REALLY? THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL NOT TO FALL INTO THE DITCH OF THE RIVER.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A, SHOULD WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING? YEAH.
SO THEY CAN TELL SOMETHING SMALL.
TECHNIC THE ACCESS WALKWAY INTO THE PARKING LOT.
HOW ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE EASEMENT? YEAH, THE EASEMENT.
OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON TO, UH, CHICKEN DAVE'S K'S HOT CHICKEN.
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WHAT, WHAT IS THIS? OR THAT? MY SON IS ASSIGNMENT TOMORROW IS TO GO THERE AND TELL ME HOW IT IS.IS THERE AT LUNCH, IS IT GOOD? IS IT, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE, SO INTRIGUED.
THEY HAVE LIKE, YOU'VE BEEN VEGETABLE.
MY DAUGHTER SENT ME THERE FOUR DAYS IN A ROW.
OH, I IT DOESN'T LIKE FRIED CHICKEN.
BUT I WOULD EAT THE CAULIFLOWER THING.
IT IS, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO, UM, CHIPOTLE.
I JUST, I LIKE IT WHEN THEY DO BROCCOLI.
IT'S IN THE SEPARATE BUILDING.
WELL, THEY'RE ALL, IT'S WHERE CHIPOTLE? IT'S THE OLD SIZZLER BUILDING.
IT'S, NO, IT'S IN THE OLD CHIPOTLE IS RIGHT THERE.
SO THIS ONE'S KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE DIANE AND I HAVE SWITCHED SIDES ON HOW WE USUALLY VOTE.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS, I MEAN, MY OPINION, WHICH I'LL LIVE SURE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA LAUGH, IS THIS IS NOT ART.
IT HAS A PURPOSE FOR MARKETING.
SO IT IS, IT IS A BRANDING UNIT.
AND SO IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED SIGNAGE.
DOES THAT MEAN IT'S ALLOWED OR NOT ALLOWED? NOT ALLOWED.
IT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT WAY.
IT'S NOT ALLOWED, BUT WE HAVE TO, IF THEY'RE GONNA DO IT, LORD KNOWS WHAT WE'RE GONNA START THIS.
WELL, I WAS LOOKING AT THE SHOPPING CENTER IN GENERAL, AND THERE ARE MANY LARGER SIGNS THAN WHAT THEY SAID BECAUSE THEY'RE WAY BACK.
BUT THE ONES RIGHT NEXT TO THEM WERE THE SMALLER AND THEY'RE WAY BACK ON THEIR SIDE.
WHAT? I SAID YOU'RE MAKING IT TOO BIG.
SHE WAS, THE NEXT DAY THEY ALL WENT UP, I SWEAR TO GOD, UP TO RECORD NEXT DAY TO THE NEXT DAY.
AND THEY ALL WENT, I THINK SHE WAS RIGHT.
BUT SO, OH, SO YOU DON'T LIKE THIS? I THINK IT, I DON'T, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T LIKE IT.
I THINK IT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR SIGNAGE.
IT'S NOT ART LIKE AS IT'S NOT ART.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY TOOK AND PUT AND SAID TO AN ARTIST, GO PAINT A BEAUTIFUL VISUAL ON THE WALL.
IT IS SPECIFIC TO THEIR BRANDING, CREATING A CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.
AND THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE VISUAL GRAPHICS AS PART OF BRANDING ELEMENTS THAT ARE MORE THAN LOGOS, THAT ARE MORE THAN EBUS, WHICH IS THE LITTLE CHARACTER, THE CHICKEN CHARACTER THAT YOU SEE.
AND THIS IS PART OF THE BRANDING EXPERIENCE.
SO IT'S PART OF THE COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE.
AND IT SHOULD FOLLOW THE COMMERCIAL SIGNAGE RULES.
BUT THEY'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCE FROM THOSE RULES.
AND IT SETS IT, AND, AND FOR ME IT WAS MORE LIKE PUBLIC ART BECAUSE EACH ONE IS UNIQUELY DESIGNED BY A DIFFERENT ARTIST.
BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THE FACT THAT THE CAN BOTH OWNER OF THE FRANCHISE HAD TO APPROVE THE ART.
ANYBODY WHO DOES AN ART PROJECT OR A MURAL HAS TO GET APPROVAL OF THE OWNER.
I GUESS I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY AND IT DIDN'T, IT PRETTY CONCERN, IT CONCERN MOSAIC GOING UP THAT WERE BUILT IN OR SOMETHING.
IT DIDN'T SCREAM A NAME OF A COMPANY TO ME.
AND I KNOW DIANE IS SAYING IT DOES SCREAM A COMPANY TO SOME PEOPLE.
AND MAYBE 'CAUSE I'M JUST NOT ATTUNED TO AS PART CHAIN STORES, AS PART OF OUR, BUT AS PART OF, OKAY.
EVERY, WHEN YOU GO INTO YOUR APP, EVERY, YOU THINK ALL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE VISUALS IS CREATED BY A BRAND ARTIST.
AND THEY'RE ALL, AS YOU LOOK FROM PROGRAM TO PROGRAM TO PROGRAM AND INTUIT, FROM QUICKBOOKS TO TURBOTAX, TO WE, ALL THE GRAPHICS, EVERYTHING WAS THE SAME.
THE SHAPES, THERE WERE GUIDELINES.
BUT PEOPLE THAT SPECIFICALLY SCREAMED.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS BRANDING THAT IS SAYING CHICKEN, CHICKEN, CHICKEN.
THAT THAT'S HER, THAT'S WHAT BRANDING.
I MEAN, I, I FIND IT AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT WHERE IT WOULD GO.
UNTIL KIDS COME ALONG AND START DOING THEIR, YOU KNOW, BUT WHY WOULD WE CARE?
YOU MAY LIKE THIS ONE, BUT ONCE THE PRECEDENT IS SET, RIGHT? YES.
SOMEBODY MAY COME IN WITH THE SAME DIMENSIONAL SIGN SIGNAGE, BRANDING EDGE THAT YOU MAY NOT LIKE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLETELY.
BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER AND THEY'RE, ALL THE SIGNS ON THIS PART OF THE SHOPPING CENTER ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE AND ON THE SMALLER SIDE.
AND THE SAME WAY THAT THE SHOPPING CENTER HAS CORNICES AND OTHER THINGS TO TRY TO DIFFERENTIATE ONE SPACE FROM ANOTHER.
THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF, OF MARKING OUT THAT SPACE AND NOT HAVING IT JUST BE ONE CONTINUOUS SPACE.
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THOSE RED LETTERS REALLY STAND OUT AND THEY'RE OPEN UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.WELL THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.
SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? I LIKE THE PLACE
I'M GONNA GO CHECK, CHECK OUT THE COLLEGE.
BUT DON'T THE SIGNAGE UP THERE LIKE THAT.
I JUST THINK IT, IT SETS A PRECEDENT.
YOU KNOW, THEY DID BEAUTIFUL THINGS IN YONKERS.
I I, I DEFER TO DIANE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HER HER YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE.
I DEFER TO ED ON THE PRESIDENT.
THE ARTIST CAME OUT IN PEOPLE AND THEY STARTED DOING OTHER THINGS OVER IT.
I THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS GO SIX DOWN TO FOUR.
I WOULD LIKE IT TOO, IF IT WEREN'T THAT, NOT AS LONG.
THE NEXT THING I TURNED AROUND AND SEE WHEN I WALKED, GO DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE WAS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT I'M GONNA HATE.
I, I UNDERSTAND SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT A BLACK AND WHITE CHECKERBOARD, YOU KNOW, AND NOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU'VE GOTTA APPROVE THAT YOU HAVE, LOOK AT, UH, ON THE FOUR CORNERS IN HARTSDALE, THERE'S A TAR CARD READER AND THERE IS BRANDING ON EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF THAT, OF THE WINDOWS ON THAT BUILDING.
AND THEY'RE NOT JUST BRANDED SIGNAGE AND IT LOOKS HORRIBLE.
BUT THEY DIDN'T NEED ANY PERMITS FOR THAT.
WELL THERE HASN'T BEEN A TENANT IN THAT, IN THAT SPOT THAT'S SURVIVED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS.
IT'S A VERY HARD PLACE TO PUT ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A TAROT CARD.
BUT IF THEY REALLY WANTED TO DO THIS, THEY COULD, THEY COULD MAKE THE LETTERS SMALLER AND PUT THE BRANDING WITHIN THAT 23 FEET IS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THEY COULD DO.
I MEAN, SHE SAID WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT DOWN.
BUT UM, CAN WE ASK THEM TO REDESIGN SO THEY CAN HAVE SOMETHING? NO.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT'S INVENTING SOMEBODY ELSE IS GONNA REDESIGN AND HAVE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW WHAT'S INTERESTING? WELL, THEY SAID THE EXISTING LETTERS WERE TWO FEET HIGH.
I THINK YOU TOLD ME THAT THE EXISTING OR TWO FEET HIGH AND THEY'RE ALLOWED UP TO FOUR FEET HIGH.
IT SAYS SO THEY'RE PERMITTED FOUR FEET.
A KEY LETTER OR A LOGO IS ALLOWED AT FOUR FEET.
SO THEY, IF THEY HAD, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE CHICKEN HEAD THES COLOR BEHIND THE LETTERING ABOVE AND BELOW IT, A FOOT EACH WAY ON EITHER SIDE.
THEY COULD DO THAT WITH A CONFORMING SIDE THEN IT WOULD, IF IT CAN CONFORM.
CONFORM, THEY CAN COME IN WITH IT.
THEY WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO TALK TO US.
SO WHAT, I HAVEN'T HEARD A STRAW VOTE.
GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITY TO REDESIGN.
HE'S, HE'S STILL WORKING ON IT.
NO, THE CHAIR SAID NO TO REDESIGN IT.
WELL, BUT IF THEY REDESIGN IT SO IT FITS WITHIN, WITHIN, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED US.
I MEAN, RIGHT, RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
I ASKED HER IF THEY DID IT ON THE WINDOWS, IT WOULD BE ONE THING BECAUSE THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE, IT'S GONE.
AND WHATEVER MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE KIDS CAN OFF.
I WAS WONDERING IF SHE WELL THEY HAVE ARTWORK INSIDE TOO.
THEY DON'T NEED IT ON THE WINDOW.
WHAT? SOMETHING WOULD'VE BEEN KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN.
SO THIS DOESN'T WORK LIKE THE PARLIAMENTARY WAY WHERE SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION.
YEAH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN HERE YET.
WAIT, SO WHO I DO REMEMBER BJS ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST THIS? BUT THAT WAS, I'M AGAINST.
THERE WAS, THAT'S FAR FROM THE STREET.
IT WAS A MUCH BIGGER BUILDING.
I WOULD'VE GIVEN THEM THE LENGTH.
I JUST HEAR THE WHISTLES GOING OFF.
SOMEBODY MUST BE WATCHING THE GAME OUTSIDE.
BUT WHEN I FIRST ASKED HER IF WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT HERE IS WHAT'S GONNA, I CONFUSED HER.
IS WHAT I WAS, IS WHAT WE WERE GOING TO END UP IF WE APPROVED IT AND SHE WASN'T SURE HOW TO ANSWER.
'CAUSE SHE SAID IT'S THE LOCAL, THEY'RE GONNA GET A LOCAL ARTIST.
WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE FACILITY MANAGER.
SO APPROVED GRAFFITI, CORRECT.
NO, AND I, AND I THINK I'M GOING WITH WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS THAT I DON'T CALL THAT GRAFFITI.
THAT'S LIKE THE HEINE GRAFFITI EITHER.
SHE'S SAYING IT'S CORPORATE ART.
SOME PEOPLE CALL GRAFFITI ARTISTS.
GRAFFITI DEPENDS IF YOU'RE GETTING FACIAL GRAFFITI IS ART.
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CREATIVE HAS A MARKETING PURPOSE OR A BRANDING PURPOSE.THIS IS CREATIVE ART IS EMOTIONAL.
IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVE.
I CAN SEE THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE TO ME.
SO I'M GONNA UPSTATE NOT AGAINST IT.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO, IT'S PART OF THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE.
I SHE SHOWED EXAMPLES OF OTHER LOCATION EVERYWHERE THAT'S WHITE EVERYWHERE.
LIKE THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T WANNA LOOK AT IT.
SO AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT I WOULD IT LIKE GOING TO PLAYLIST, YOU'RE JUST AGAINST.
OH, PLEASE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
I'M SURE THEY'RE BRAND GUIDELINES.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO T NORMALLY FOR THAT SORT OF THING.
YOU GUYS ARE BEING, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I'LL SAY, THE GRAPHIC THAT SHE SHOWED FROM ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE TREES, YOU STILL WOULDN'T SEE IT WAS ALSO RAINY AND DARK.
AND THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE, YOU KNOW THIS, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET WHEN SHE SHOWED THE TREES.
MY SAD POINT IS, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN THE PRETTIEST THING IN THE WHOLE AREA OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
OH, YOU DON'T LIKE FIVE BELOW
THEY WOULD PROBABLY DO IT TOO.
NO, I LIKE 10 FOOT HOLE AT HIGH LETTERS THAT ARE JELLY.
SO WHAT DO WE, YOUR GUYS ARE DENYING THIS? YES.
I THOUGHT SHANA, YOU WERE, I SAY MODIFICATION.
SHE LIKES, BUT I RECOGNIZE, BUT SHE LIKES BASKETBALL, CHESS.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE VOTING? NO, I'M VOTING NO BECAUSE OH, OKAY.
BECAUSE OF THE PRECEDENT ISSUE.
AND THEY CAN DO SOMETHING TO GET SOME OF THE COLOR AND PRETTINESS WITHIN THE FOUR FEET.
THEY HAVE SPACE AND NOTHING ABOUT THIS LOOKS HOT.
YOU KNOW THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN.
AND THEY EVEN READ IN THERE, WRITTEN SOMETHING.
WELL, YOU'RE THINKING OF HOT IN A CERTAIN WAY, RIGHT? WELL, WAVES, IF YOU ASK FOR THE HOTTEST GETTING ON THE MENU.
YEAH, LET'S HAVE TO SIGN A WAVE.
IT'S REALLY NO, IT'S REALLY, IT GETS REALLY HOT.
I'M SURE THEIR BRAND ATTRIBUTES ARE, IT'S ABOUT PLAYFULNESS AND INDIVIDUALITY, WHICH IS WHAT THAT IS.
AND YOU GO INSIDE, IT'S PAINTED THAT WAY.
YOU'RE SCRAPING BACK AND FORTH ON THE FLOOR.
ALRIGHT, IT JUST BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS CASE, I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
DAVE'S HOT OR CHICK-FIL-A, WHICH IS BETTER? OOH, WELL WAIT.
MICROPHONE ARE ON MICROPHONE RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT.
LET KNOW ANDREW, I THINK WE'RE LOSING THE AUDIENCE.
DID WE SAY, ARE WE, ARE WE NO OR NO? WHAT ARE WE OKAY.
I, I DO LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, I CALL IT CHICK FILL, BUT UM, AND I DO REALLY CALL IT CHICK FILL, BUT WHEN I WENT THERE, THEY WERE STILL ADVERTISING THE HOT SANDWICH.
AND WHEN YOU WENT WHERE? THE CHICK-FIL-A OR THE DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN? NO, CHICKA FILL AND
AND THEY DIDN'T, THEY WEREN'T, THEY THEY WERE STILL, THEY WERE ON THE TV SAYING, YOU KNOW, COME AND GET THIS AND COME AND GET THAT.
AND I WENT THERE AND I GOT THERE AND HE SAID, OH NO, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT NOW.
I SAID, ARE YOU GONNA DO IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE? BECAUSE I'D LIKE THINGS HI, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE.
YOU DON'T NO, THESE GUYS, THEY'RE OPEN SUNDAYS LATE AT NIGHT.
CAN WE DO THREE OPEN EVERY DAY? CAN WE TAKE, CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT ONE? IS THAT A THING? YEAH, THE LAST ONE.
EVEN THOUGH THE, UH, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
THE PERMIT DENIAL SAYS AVENUE.
IT'S ACTUALLY THE THIRD VARIANCE HERE.
YOU SURE? OH, BECAUSE THAT'S ACCESSORY ACCESSORY.
WHICH ONE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BASKETBALL? UH, 2 85 DASH 12.
THE ONE OUT THE HOUSE AND THE OTHER TWO WE'RE GONNA TABLE TO A LATER DATE.
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THE BASKETBALL COURT.WHAT'S THE SECOND ONE? WAIT, YOU SAID WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE BASKETBALL.
BASKETBALL IS A USED BASKETBALL.
YOU'RE GONNA THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT SHE SAID THE ADDITION.
BASKETBALL PRINCIPAL BUILDING.
WE'LL NEED AN, ONCE THEY ALLOW A BASKETBALL COURT, IT WILL NEED AN AREA VARIANCE.
'CAUSE IT'S IN THE SIDE YARD AND IT ENCROACHES, I THINK IT DOES IN THE SETBACK.
IT SAYS A MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT'S WHAT IT, SO YOU GUYS WANT THE GIRLS TO PLAY BASKETBALL IN THE STREET?
I NEED, I'M GONNA NEED SOMEBODY'S THING TO READ BECAUSE STAY LATE AND PLAY AFTER SCHOOL.
HOW LONG DO WE THINK IT'LL TAKE BEFORE THE BASKETBALL? WILL YOU LET AARON KNOW THAT WE ALL THINK THEY'RE RACIST? THE GUIDELINES, NOT THE PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, THE OLD GUIDE, THE OLD ZONING SAY THAT WHEN, WHEN I DO THE MOTION, I GOTTA KNOW WE'RE DONE.
WELL, WE HAVE TENNIS COURT VERSUS BASKETBALL.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVEN'T BEEN VOTING.
THIS IS OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION TO KIND OF, AND BASKETBALL COURTS WEREN'T ALLOWED TO DISCUSS TABLE.
NOBODY'S ALLOWED TO FROM THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO COMMENT ON WHAT WE SAY.
UNLESS THEY WRITE A LETTER FOR TWO.
THEN WE GO BACK UP ON THE DAYS MOTION.
I I LEFT THE OTHER CAMERA ANGLE THEN ABSTAIN FROM THE MOTION.
IT WAS MY BACK TO APPROVE OF THIS SOUND BOARD.
SOME GO BACK AT DAVE'S CHICKEN BECAUSE IT'S STILL TALKING ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE ZONING.
IT WAS, SO IF WE DID APPROVE IT, IT'S THE LENGTH OF THE SIGNAGE THAT WOULD, WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGNAGE.
WELL, THE KEY LETTERS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARTWORK ON THE SIDES, IT'S HIGHER, LONGER OUTSIDE OF THE LETTERING, WHICH MAKES IT WIDER.
IT'S SIX BY SIX AND IT'S GOING EVEN EXTRA HIGHER.
SO I WAS GONNA GIVE HER THE FOUR FEET AND THE LENGTH.
IT IT'S PART OF THE SIGN AND THE SIGN THE ARTWORK.
YOU CAN'T HAVE, IF THE, IF, IF THE ORDINANCE PERMITS FOUR FEET, LET'S SAY TWO FEET, UH, TWO FEET HIGH SIGN, TWO FOOT HIGH SIGN, YOU CAN'T HAVE ARTWORK.
IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE SIGN, BUT IT IS A SIGN.
BUT FROM A VISUAL PERSPECTIVE AS WELL, IT'S THE VISIBLE, INVISIBLE FILM.
WE DON'T HAVE THE OUT HERE, BOTH SIDES.
THEY COULD ACTUALLY, AS YOU SAID, THEY COULD KEEP THE SAME SIGN.
THEY COULD GO DECORATE AROUND THE SIGN.
THEY HAVE A FOOT ON EACH SIDE.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY ARE TWO FEET DOWN.
THEY CAN GO FOUR FEET, RIGHT? NO.
THEY CAN MAKE A SO THEY CAN DECORATE THE ON A DIFFERENT WAY.
THEY THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
OR TWO FEET ABOVE OR TWO PEOPLE, WHATEVER THEY WANT.
YOU JUST LET IT HANG, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LEVER IT OVER THE BUILDING AND THEN YOU PUT THIS GRAPHIC BEHIND IT AND, AND THEN ILLUMINATE THAT.
THEY CAN THEORETICALLY TAKE DOWN THE SIGN THAT SAYS DAVE'S HOT AND REPLACE IT WITH ARTWORK.
THE ONE THAT SHAUNA WANTED THE BIG ROUND CIRCLE.
I DIDN'T SAY I WANTED, I THAT WAS THEIR LOGO.
I I WOULD LIKE THAT CLARIFIED.
OKAY, YOU'RE GOING BACK UP THE RECORD.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING ON ABOUT WHAT? WHO'S WRITING? WAIT, WHO'S DOING WHAT? SOMEBODY HAS TO WRITE UP YOUR DENIAL WRITING THE ONE THAT'S REALLY HARD.
WHICH ONE'S REALLY HARD? STICKLEY.
WHICH ONE? IT'S, IT'S DAVE'S HOT CHICKEN.
SOMEONE HAS TO WRITE UP THE DENIAL.
ISN'T THAT THE ONE? IT'S THE DOES SOMEBODY DO WE HAVE THE DENIAL? THEY'RE ASKING THE THREE STORY AND WE'RE GIVING 'EM THE TWO STORY HUMOR SHOULD HAVE.
OH, SECOND SEVEN IS CLOSE FOR DECISION ONLY LATE.
NO, DO CAN YOU DO THE TWO? I MEAN IT'S A USE VARIANCE.
LIKE, ARE YOU, WE SAID DECISION ONLY.
THE DECISION IS, UM, THEN THE, UM, 25 0 8.
THAT'S THE ONE I'M, I THINK THAT'S A DENIED.
IT'S WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
I WROTE DOWN DENIED, BUT, AND THEN, BUT THEN WHEN I'M LOOKING
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AT THIS AND THEN FOR 25, IT'S TWO PARTS TO IT.IT'S THE LENGTH OF THE SIGN AND THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN.
SO IF THEY USE IT TO FOUR FEET, THEY DON'T NEED US, THEN NO.
THE VARIANCE WOULD'VE BEEN FOR THE LENGTH OF THE SIGN.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD'VE PROPOSED PERSONALLY.
GIVE THEM THE LENGTH BUT NOT THE HEIGHT.
WELL, NOBODY'S, NOBODY'S NO OTHER THAN MYSELF.
IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THEM AND MAKE A SUGGESTION LIKE, WELL THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE, NOW I THINK THE IDEA OF PUTTING IT BEHIND IT IS YOU WANT TO DO THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T, IF WE DENY THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, LISTEN TO THE TABLE.
THE FIRST TWO ARE POSTPONED OR WHATEVER TABLED.
THE FIRST TWO ARE TABLED AND THE THIRD ONE IS APPROVED IT.
THE THIRD ONE IS THE THIRD ONE.
WHO I THINK LOU LOU SAID HE WANTED TO, WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
IN CASE NUMBER 24 31 19 PRIMROSE AVENUE IS ADJOURNED TO JUNE 12TH IS ADJOURNED TO JUNE 12TH FOR ALL PURPOSES.
AND THE NEXT CASE IS 21 0 7 25.
25 0 7, WHICH IS CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY.
THE MEETING OF TO THE MEETING OF DECEMBER.
I'M REALLY TIRED OF JUNE 12TH
THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE IS CASE 25 0 8, WHICH IS 56 DUBS FERRY ROAD.
THAT IS ALSO ADJOURNED FOR UN ADJOURNED UNTIL JUNE 12TH.
AGAIN, FOR ALL PURPOSES, THOUGHT THIS WAS THIS ONE.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLETE AND WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE, AND THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? YES, I SECOND.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE 25 0 9 BE DENIED.
THE FINDINGS IN DENYING THIS APPLICATION, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAS WEIGHTED THE BENEFIT TO BE DERIVED BY THE APPLICANT FROM THE PROPOSED VARIANCE AGAINST THE IMPACT THAT THE VARIANCE WOULD HAVE ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE FOUND THAT GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL RESULT IN DETRIMENT TO NEARBY PROPERTIES AND WILL ADVERSELY IMPACT THE CHARACTER OR PHYSICAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE THE PROPOSED SIGNAGE IS SUBSTANTIAL THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED.
THE REQUESTED HEIGHT VARIANCE IS SUBSTANTIAL IN RELATION TO THE REQUIREMENTS SOUGHT TO BE VARIED AND THAT THE VARIANCE IS SIX FEET, UH, COMPARED WITH FOUR FEET PERMITTED A 50% INCREASE.
THE REQUESTED LENGTH VARIANCE, 33.5 FEET COMPARED WITH 21.5 FEET PERMITTED A 35% INCREASE.
THE GOAL OF THE APPLICANT CANNOT BE, CAN BE ACHIEVED BY OTHER FEASIBLE MEANS WITHOUT REQUIRING THE VARIED THE VARIANCE GRANTS AND THAT THE ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS CAN BE DESIGNED TO FIT WITHIN THE PERMITTED AREA.
THE APPLICANT'S NEED FOR THIS VARIANCE WAS SELF-CREATED.
THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF, UH, THE TOWN, UH, LAWS WITH REGARD TO SIGNAGE.
AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE IS CASE TWENTY FIVE TEN THREE CAL FOR LANE.
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ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRED.NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND SEC.
AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, YES.
I MOVE THAT TWO OF THE VARIANCES, UH, ONE FROM SECTION 2 85, 12 B FIVE B AND FROM SECTION 2 85 36 J, BOTH OF WHICH PERTAIN TO THE BASKETBALL HOOP, UM, BE ADJOURNED PENDING A DETERMINATION BY THE TOWN BOARD OF POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PERMIT A BASKETBALL HOOP, UH, ON SITE IN THE FUTURE.
I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE VARIANCE FROM SECTION 2 85 12 B FOUR B, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM PRINCIPAL BUILDING TO SIDE PROPERTY LINE BE GRANTED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND IT.
I MOVE THAT THIS APPLICATION BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILES, SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED MARCH 24TH, 2025 AND LAST STAMPED RECEIVED APRIL 11TH, 2025, SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.
THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
AND IF YOU JUST REVERSE THE ORDER OF THAT
I'LL READ THE FINDINGS AT A LATER.
THE FINDINGS WILL BE SUBMITTED AT A LATER DATE.
UH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS ONE THING THOUGH.
CHRISTIE SAID, UH, BASKETBALL HOOP.
A WE ARE ADJOURNED AND I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CAKE NEXT TIME.