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HI, UH, WELCOME TARA TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION.
IT'S, UH, JUNE 3RD, AND IT'S, UH, ALMOST FIVE 30 AFTER.
I'M SORRY, IT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO FIVE 30.
AND OUR FIRST, UM, SUPERVISOR.
FIRST, UH, DISCUSSION IS WITH SUPPORT TIME, UH, JOHN, SUPERVISOR.
JUST BEFORE WE START THE MEETING OFF, UM, THANK YOU FOR GUYS COMING, BUT JUST WANT, I JUST WANT TO, I HEAR ECHO.
I JUST WANTED TO, UH, THANK ANTHONY GRAVES OF THE DPW DEPARTMENT WHO TOOK THE TIME OUT YESTERDAY TO PUT UP THE FLAG FOR PRIDE MONTH.
AS WE ALL KNOW, JUNE IS A PRIDE MONTH, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE PROMISED EVERYONE, THAT WE WILL ALWAYS REC, THAT WE WOULD RECOGNIZE PRIDE MONTH.
SO THANK YOU TO ANTHONY GRAVES, A DPW FOR MAKING SURE THAT FLAG WAS PUT UP.
SO, UH, JOHN, WOULD YOU WANNA TELL US, GIVE US AN UPDATE ON, UM, SPORT TIME? I DO.
CARLOS, HELP ME WITH YOUR LAB CAM.
PAUL, WHY CAN'T I REMEMBER THAT? TENNIS WORLD ARCHITECT, CLIENT ARCHITECT, YOUR PARTNER, REALLY IN THIS PROJECT.
UH, BEN, DO YOU WANNA SAY A FEW THINGS I'VE LEARNED? WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO GET IT STARTED.
AS WE KNOW, IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME BACK IN 2004 IN THIS FIRST ITERATION.
SO, UH, WE'RE WORKING HARD TO SORT OF GET ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED ABOUT THE SITE TO DESIGN EVERYTHING.
AND, UH, EXCITED TO GET IT STARTED.
SO THAT'S, CAN WE DO A TEST REALLY QUICKLY? TESTING, TEST THE MIC.
IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN HIS COMPUTER.
YEAH, I THINK IT WAS THAT COMPUTER IN THE CAMERA.
SO THIS SAYS I'M SHARING, YEAH.
I WAS JUST WAITING FOR, SO, UH, THANKS.
THE OVER, THIS IS A BROAD, IT'S REALLY WEIRD.
ARE YOU, CAN YOU MUTE YOUR COMPUTER? YEAH, THAT'S MUTED.
NO, HE IS NOT JOINED IN ON THE AUDIO.
HOW ABOUT NOW? I THOUGHT IT WAS MY SINUSES REVERB BECAUSE I'M ING AT THAT TESTING.
THAT SOUNDS, I HEAR, I DON'T, THIS IS ON THAT SOUNDS FINE.
BUT THAT SHOULD BE, WE KNOW, NORMALLY DON'T.
WHAT ABOUT YOU? BUT I DIDN'T GET IN MAYBE THE, IF HE JUST TURNS THE VOLUME DOWN ON THE BIG SPEAKERS INSIDE THE ROOM.
WELL, MAYBE THE MICS ARE JUST TOO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
NO, THIS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.
SO THIS MUST REALLY HAVE HAPPEN.
I, I DO WANT, I WOULD, I DO WANT TO THANK SPORT TIME.
THEY HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH SO FAR, AND I KNOW WE'RE THE, YOU KNOW, BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN KEEPING THE TOWN, UH, APPRISED STEP BY STEP AS WE'VE MOVED FORWARD.
WE'VE MADE A LOT OF SITE VISITS.
WE'VE HAD MEETINGS IN MY OFFICE AND, UH, WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADING IN RIGHT NOW.
AND REALLY THAT'S THE, THE PROCESS OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN MORE OF A PARTNERSHIP, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY SPORTS TIME, SPORT TIME WANTS TO BE SUCCESSFUL HERE.
WE WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS SUCCESSFUL.
WE UNDERSTAND THE UNIQUE CONTEXT OF THIS BEING A PART OF A MUCH LARGER PARK, UH, AND PART AND PARCEL TO ALL OF RECONNAISSANCE AND WORK AND INTERFACE IS BECAUSE THIS SITS AS A LESSER COMPONENT IN A MUCH LARGER PARK.
AND WE RECOGNIZE, YOU KNOW, HOLD ON.
I GOTTA SHUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY THERE IN, SO THE, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
IT'S JUST MEANT TO WITH THE, AROUND.
SO THE PROJECT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IS WHAT THE OVERVIEW IS ABOUT TODAY.
IT'S A CLUBHOUSE IN BETWEEN, AND IT'S A FABRIC STRUCTURE TO, ON THE WESTERLY SIDE OR THE POOL SIDE.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE NORTH BUBBLE IS SIX TENNIS COURTS.
THEY'RE A NATURAL, HARD TRUE SURFACE.
THE SOUTH BUBBLES OF COMBINATION OF TENNIS COURTS AND, UM, PICKLEBALL COURTS.
THE NORTH FABRIC STRUCTURE IS A COMBINATION OF PADEL COURTS, WHICH IS A EMERGING RACKET SPORT ALONG WITH ONE PICKLEBALL COURT SLASH MULTIPURPOSE AREA.
SO THAT IF THERE IS OVERVIEW IN IT FOR, FOR AN EVENT, IF, IF THERE IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE USTA EVENT THAT OCCURRED AT THE PARK LAST WEEK, THERE'S MORE STAGING AREAS.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE, YOU'VE SEEN ALL THE LITTLE TENTS, UH, TO SUPPORT THAT EVENT.
THIS WOULD POSSIBLY BE ANOTHER AREA TO SUPPORT THAT, UH, OR SIMILAR EVENTS.
SO, UM, MUCH OF WHAT'S EVOLVED OVER THE PAST OR THIS YEAR, LET'S
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SAY, WORKING CLOSELY WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS AND STAFF ARE FIRE SAFETY, EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS, UH, PRIMING FOR THE TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SOLVE AND ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SOLVING PRIMARILY STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.AND THIS IS A UNIQUE, A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE TO A DEGREE.
WE HAVE AN UPHILL SITE THAT EXISTS THAT IS PRODUCING STORM WATER, AND WE HAVE A DOWNHILL SITE THAT HAS, UH, ITS OWN CHARACTERISTICS FOR 40 YEARS.
AND BRIDGING THE TWO AND UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, UH, HAS BEEN PART OF THE, THE SCIENTIFIC EXPEDITION.
ONE OF THE NEXT STEPS IS TO DO, UH, PERFORM SOILS INVESTIGATIONS, WHICH IT, UH, REQUIRES, UH, DIGGING PITS AND DOING CORING.
UH, WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WOULD SHOW, OF COURSE, TO, UH, FACILITATE HOW WE'RE GONNA GET EQUIPMENT IN THERE, WHAT TYPE, WHERE WE CAN ACHIEVE, UH, SOIL INVESTIGATION LOCATIONS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL TO US WITHOUT JUST DISRUPTING WHAT'S OCCURRING, ESPECIALLY NOW IT'S IN FULL SWING.
UM, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER MINOR SUPPORTING, UH, ELEMENTS TO THE PARK THAT WE COLLECTIVELY ARE STILL VETTING.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE TENNIS SHED, IT'S KNOWN AS THE TENNIS SHED, THE LITTLE OFFICE THAT SITS AT THE HIGH POINT OF THE DRIVE.
UH, WE HAVE A LOCATION THAT, UH, WE'RE CURRENTLY SHOWING, UH, AS OF LAST WEEK, WHERE THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS ONGOING ABOUT, WELL, MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER SOLUTION FOR THAT.
UH, MAYBE THAT TENNIS SHED AS IT EXISTS TODAY, REALLY DOESN'T REFLECT WHAT THE CURRENT NEEDS ARE.
AND, AND SO IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, IMPROVING THIS AREA OF THE PART, UM, MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE HOW THAT SHED FUNCTIONS.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UH, IN ORDER FOR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO HAVE A TURNAROUND TO GO ALL THE WAY IN AND TURN AROUND, WE HAVE TO MOVE THE TENNIS SHACK, WHICH IS WHERE OUR STAFF SITS, AND WE'RE JUST MOVING IT MAYBE 20, 30, MAYBE 40 FEET AWAY TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
BUT ALL THAT IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN, TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, AND THEN GET THEM OUT AGAIN.
SO, SPEAKING OF EMERGENCY VEHICLES IN THE WORK THAT'S BEEN ONGOING OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS, THIS IS A DIAGRAM, UH, THAT, UH, WAS VETTED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UH, OUR TEAM IN TERMS OF ASSESSING, UH, EMERGENCY VE VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE PERIMETER OF THE FACILITY.
WE KNOW, AND WE HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN, UH, AND IT'S NOT PROFOUND THAT ACCESS FROM THE SPRAIN BROOK SIDE OF THAT PROJECT IS VIRTUALLY UNAC ACCOMPLISHABLE.
UH, AND, AND IT PROBABLY ISN'T SAFE IF THERE EVER BECAME A CIRCUMSTANCE THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE, UH, PINNED IN BETWEEN THE SPRAIN AND THIS FACILITY.
SO THAT'S WHAT ALL THESE DIAGRAMS EXPLORED.
I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT I THINK TO EVERYONE'S SATISFACTION TO DATE, I, I WILL LOCATE GARRETT AND JOE.
WELL, AND THIS WAS, THIS WAS VETTED OUT THROUGH THE HARDELL FIRE DEPARTMENT TOO.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THE CHIEF, HE, UH, HE WORKED WITH, UM, JOHN ON ALL THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU SEE UP HERE, AND HE APPROVED THEM.
SO AS WE GET INTO THE PARTICULARS OF, OF, UH, THE FACILITY AS A COMPOSITE, UM, WE, WE UNDERSTAND ALL THE DIMENSIONS.
WE'VE UNDERSTOOD, UM, HOW THE GEOMETRY OF THIS SITE, UH, IS REALLY GOING TO FIT IN.
AND THIS, AND, AND, AND, AND I'M SURE YOU RECOGNIZE, GIVEN THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THAT SITE, GETTING A LARGE FOOTPRINT ON THE LOW END ALONGSIDE THE SPRINGBROOK PARKWAY IS A LITTLE CHALLENGING.
THERE ARE RETAINING WALLS ALONG THE WESTERLY SIDE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
WE THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A RELATIVELY BENIGN VISUAL ELEMENT.
I MEAN, IT'S, I, YOU KNOW, EASY FOR ME TO SAY ON BEHALF OF OUR TEAM, BUT WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THAT TUCKING THOSE BUBBLES IN ON THE LOW SIDE AGAINST THE SPRAIN IS, UH, A MINIMAL VISUAL IMPACT TO WHAT, HOW YOU UNDERSTAND PARK TODAY IS YOU COME UP THAT PARKING LOT, UH, UH, THE FACILITY IS REALLY GONNA BE WELL, AND YOU ALL UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE COURTS ARE DOWN AND HIDDEN AWAY.
NOW OBVIOUSLY THE BUBBLES HAVE A SIGNATURE.
THE NORTH BUBBLE IS TALLER THAN THE SOUTH BUBBLE BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY.
UM, BUT AGAIN, WE FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE ALONGSIDE THE SPRAIN.
WE HAVE SECTIONS DEVELOPED SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS
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TO THE EXISTING POOL COMPLEX.AND I'M SLOWING DOWN JUST TO THIS BOTTOM, WHAT WE WOULD CALL A SITE SECTION.
YOU GET A SENSE, ARE, ARE YOU ABLE TO FOLLOW MY CURSOR? YEAH.
SO YOU GET A SENSE OF THE LARGE NORTH BUBBLE AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO THE UPHILL SIDE OF THE POOL COMPLEX.
AND REALLY WHAT FALLS OUT OF THE IMAGE HERE IS THE HIGHEST SIDE OF THE POOL COMPLEX, WHICH THE BUBBLES ONLY, THE TOP OF THE BUBBLE IS ONLY REALLY FIVE OR SIX FEET HIGHER THAN THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE POOL COMPLEX.
BUT WHAT YOU CAN ALSO SENSE IS HOW THE RETAINING WALL CONFIGURATION REALLY BEGINS TO, UH, NEED TO OCCUR TO ACCOMMODATE THE FOOTPRINT.
COULD YOU MENTION JUST FOR, ESPECIALLY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING THIS, IS THE BUBBLE GONNA BE, UH, UH, PERMANENT OR DURING THE SPRING OR SUMMER DO YOU TAKE IT? SO, GOOD.
SO THE, THE BUBBLES ARE NOT PERMANENT.
IT IS 200 AND THE INDOOR SEASON IS, IS SEPTEMBER 15TH THROUGH MAY 7TH.
AND THE OUTDOOR SEASON IS MAY 8TH THROUGH SEPTEMBER 14TH.
SO THE BUBBLES WILL BE DOWN FROM THE MAY 8TH AND WITH THE TOWN.
I KNOW WHEN JERRY BY WAS, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, HE WAS ALL EXCITED BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF REVENUE AND THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS.
COULD YOU, AGAIN, FOR THE BENEFIT OF PEOPLE WATCHING THIS ON TV, UM, COULD YOU JUST DO LIKE A LITTLE SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS SO PEOPLE COULD SEE THAT THIS IS A REAL BIG PLUS FOR THE TOWN? WELL, GO AHEAD, BEN.
AND I, IF YOU WANT, IN ADDITION TO THE SORT OF THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND OBVIOUSLY THE LICENSE FEES, THAT WILL GO BACK TO THE, THE BOARD AND, AND TO, TO GREENBURG TO, TO HOPEFULLY INVEST IN, IN THE PARK ITSELF OR OTHER PARKS.
UM, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE PARK, UM, DURING THE OUTDOOR SEASON, IF, IF SPORT TIME IS NOT PROGRAMMING THOSE OUTDOOR COURTS, THEY'LL HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE COURTS AS WELL.
SO IF THEY WANNA COME PLAY ON OUR COURTS, THEY'LL BE OUTDOORS.
SO AT, AT, AT NO ADDITIONAL COST, WHICH IS GOOD.
UM, ADDITIONALLY WE HAVE SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM AND WE HAVE COMMUNITY PROGRAMMING.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO, WITH THE BASELINE OF 500 COMMUNITY PROGRAMMING HOURS PER YEAR, THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE SCHOOL-BASED PROGRAMS. WE'LL HAVE CBO BASED PROGRAMS AND ALL SORTS OF OTHER PROGRAMS. AND WE'LL WORK WITH, UM, YOUR TENNIS COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND OTHERS TO SOURCE.
WHO SHOULD GET THOSE THE SAME AS SCHOLARSHIPS.
THE MINIMUM SCHOLARSHIP DOLLAR AMOUNT IN, IN THE, IN OUR AGREEMENTS IS $250,000.
UM, BUT TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE, WE IN, IN NEW YORK CITY, BECAUSE A YEAR WE, WE, WE GO, WE USUALLY GO ABOVE, AND OUR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS ARE 4,000 HOURS A YEAR.
IF, IF THE, IF WE HAVE THE TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITY, WE USUALLY, THERE'S MORE COURTS THERE ALSO, OBVIOUSLY, THAN, THAN WE'LL BE HERE.
BUT, AND AGAIN, IN TERMS OF REVENUE FOR THE TOWN, YEAH.
THE REVENUE FOR THE TOWN, WELL, THERE'S TWO THINGS I WANNA MENTION.
ONE IS THAT WHEN YOU GO TO VISIT THE POOL DURING THE SUMMERTIME, THERE WON'T BE ANY BUBBLES.
YOU WON'T SEE THEM BECAUSE THEY'LL BE THERE DURING THE WINTER TIME WHEN YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY, WHEN THE PARK'S AT ITS LOW EBB.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS THAT STARTING IN THE YEAR ONE, UH, THE MINIMUM WILL BE $250,000 A YEAR TO THE TOWN, AND THEN IT GRADUALLY GOES UP.
THERE'S ALSO, UM, I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT, UM, WE HAVE A REVENUE SHARING IF YOU REACH A CERTAIN GROSS.
AND, UH, AFTER THAT, WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A PERCENTAGE VERSUS PERCENTAGE.
SO THE MINIMUM FOR YEAR ONE IS 250,000.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A SCHEDULE ON THE CONTRACT THAT WE SIGNED.
UM, BUT I AM ANTICIPATING THEM BEING SUCCESSFUL LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN IN MANY OTHER PLACES WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY PAYING MORE THAN THE MINIMUM IN MANY PLACES.
WELL, AND DON'T WE NEED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT IF I, MY MEMORY SERVES CORRECTLY, THAT THAT REVENUE GOES TOWARDS THE PARKS ONLY? ABSOLUTELY.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE WILL TARGET, INITIALLY WE'LL TARGET THE, UH, INITIAL REVENUE TOWARD UPGRADING THE 12 REMAINING COURTS THAT WE STILL CONTROL COMPLETELY, THAT ARE IN THE SAME LOCATION.
AND THAT'S ALL OF GREENBERG'S PARKS.
SO IT WILL, SO THAT REVENUE WILL GO TO REPAIRS AND UPGRADES AND MAINTENANCE.
THEN WE SHOULD ALSO, FOR ALL THE PARKS, WE SHOULD ALSO MENTION THAT, UH, THE STATE LEGISLATURE, I THINK ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS, UH, AUTHORIZED, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, WASN'T THERE ONE, ONE WAS ALLOWING THE PICKLE WALL.
AND WASN'T THERE ALSO SOME STATE LEGISLATION YEARS AGO THAT AUTHORIZED THIS PARTNERSHIP AND, WELL, THE, THE FIRST, FIRST LEGISLATION ALLOWED US TO, UH, ALLOW NON-RESIDENTS TO USE THIS SECTION OF THE PARK.
THE SECOND LEGISLATION THAT WE DID EXPANDED IT FROM JUST TENNIS TO RACKET SPORTS, WHICH MEANS, OR A PADDLE.
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DID CALL ME ABOUT THE CHANGE FROM PICKLE TO PAD PATEL.I THINK, I THINK THE REAL PRONUNCIATION IS PADDLE, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER PADDLE IN THE UNITED STATES.
SO WE TAKEN THIS SPORT, YOU CAN'T, THAT WAS FIRST IN EUROPE AND CALLED THE ELL, WHICH I THINK THEY PROBABLY, AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF COURTS OUT THERE THAT ACCOMMODATE THIS NEW SPORT.
AND, UM, COUNTING ON THEIR MARKETING TO BE THE ONES THAT WILL MAKE THEM THE MOST MONEY AND ALSO BRING REVENUE INTO THE TOWN.
COULD YOU, THIS COULD BE LIKELY THE FIRST TOWN TO HAVE A A A, A BEDELL FACILITY IN A, IN A PUBLIC FACILITY.
WHAT IS, WHAT IS PADELL? BEDELL IS A, IS A, IS A, IS A SPORT THAT'S SIMILAR TO, TO PADDLE YOU.
YOU'VE SEEN THIS SPORT PLATFORM TENNIS, BASICALLY THAT'S IN THE CHICKEN WIRE.
SO THIS IS A, IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE A SMALL, A MINI TENNIS COURT.
AND LARGER THAN PICKLEBALL COURT.
IT'S, THERE'S AN NET IN THE MIDDLE.
THEY ARE, THEY, IT'S PLAYED ON A TURF SURFACE WITH SAND AND THE TURF SURFACE.
SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THOSE COURTS, TENNIS COURTS IN SOME, IN SOME LOCATIONS, ESPECIALLY IN CARIBBEAN.
AND THE BACK WALLS AND THE ORIGINAL SIDE WALLS ON BOTH SIDES ARE GLASS.
AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE SQUASHING THAT SENSE.
YOU PLAY OFF THE BACK WALL AND THE SIDEWALL.
I MEAN, I HAVE TO, HE'S OBSESSED, LIKE SQUASHED AT GRAND CENTRAL STATION TERMINAL.
HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THAT YOU'RE HITTING A BALL WITH A RACKET THAT LOOKS SORT OF LIKE THE PLATFORM RACKET? IT, IT'S FATTER AND IT HAS HOLES IN IT.
AND THE BALL IS MUCH LIKE A TENNIS BALL LIKE, LIKE THIS TO TAKE OFF.
NO, I DO NOT, I DID NOT EXPECT TO TAKE OFF LIKE PICKLEBALL.
AND YOU CANNOT, IN, IN, IN, THERE'S TWO PLACES IN NEW YORK CITY CURRENTLY, YOU CANNOT GET A COURT FOR YOUR, HOW MANY COURTS DID YOU SAY? THREE.
SO THAT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF PICKLEBALL COURTS, RIGHT? FROM FROM 10 TO SIX.
WHEN DO YOU EXPECT, BUT I, I JUST WANNA SAY THOUGH, THAT WHEN WE START, UH, BRINGING REVENUE IN THE SIX PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT WE HAVE AT, UH, VETERAN PARK, WHICH THE SURFACE HAS BEEN, WE'VE HAD SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT, THAT'LL BE ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES WE REDO.
SO THAT WE WILL UPGRADE OUR PI OUR NUMBER OF PICKLEBALL COURTS ALSO.
SO I WANNA GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY ASPECT OF IT.
WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, SCHOLARSHIPS AND SUCH.
SO I THINK ABOUT THE CAMPS THAT WE RUN AT EACH SUMMER MM-HMM
UM, BOTH AT THE GREENBURG, AT THE VETERAN PARK, AND AT THEODORE YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE COULD PROBABLY, WE COULD SCHEDULE SOME TIME DURING THE SUMMER, DURING OUR SUMMER CAMPS TO COME OVER AND GET SOME SORT OF, UM, LESSONS OVER AS PART OF OUR CAMP PROGRAM? 'CAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO A SPORT THAT SHOULD BE INTRODUCED TO KIDS WHO MAY NOT KNOW.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DO AT RANDALLS ISLAND.
ACTUALLY, THERE'S RANDALLS ISLAND PARK ALLIANCE OPERATES, AND WE DO IT AT HARBOR ISLAND AS WELL.
UH, WE HAVE RANDALLS ISLAND PARK LOT RUNS A CAMP FOR KIDS FROM EAST HARLEM, SOUTH BRONX.
THEY COME IN, THEY DO OUR, THEIR DENTIST WITH US.
BUT, BUT ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE ENGAGED AND YOU WILL NEED YOUR HELP.
ENGAGE SCHOOLS DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR MM-HMM.
AND, AND, AND CBOS DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR AND OTHER THINGS TO, TO BASICALLY, AND WE GO INTO SCHOOLS TOO.
SO WE, YOU'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WORK CLOSELY WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE US THE INROADS TO HELP US GET TO THOSE PLACES.
BUT THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES.
WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO START THE CONSTRUCTION AND WHEN DO YOU THINK THIS WILL BE OPERATIONAL? WELL, WE, WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING A MATRIX, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT.
WE, WE KNOW WE, THE BIG TARGET IS, IS SEPTEMBER, 2026, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO WE'VE BEEN BACKING OUT THE SCIENCE.
SO, UH, IN, IN, SO IN MANY WAYS, I THINK IT'S SINCERE TO SAY, IF WE COULD START TOMORROW, WE'D START TOMORROW.
BUT WE REALIZE WE'RE IN A, WE'RE IN, WE REMAIN IN THIS PROCESS.
WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITHIN THE PROTOCOL, OBVIOUSLY, UH, OF TOWN.
AND SO I, OUR SCHEDULE CURRENTLY, AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT, TALKS ABOUT BEGINNING TO MOVE EARTH AROUND, UM, IN THE FALL.
AND THEN THE LENGTH OF TIME BEFORE YEAR COMPLETE AND OPEN FOR BUSINESS, WE, WE, IT WOULD BE, IT'S GOING TO BE A SPRINT
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TOWARDS SEPTEMBER 20, 26.DO YOU WANT TO TELL ME WHAT THE PROCESS IS ON YOUR END? YEAH, SURE.
WE READY TO GO INTO SOME PROCESS? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, BECAUSE THE SUBJECT SITE IS A PARK, AND OF COURSE, TOWN OWNED, THE TOWN BOARD RESERVES THE RIGHT TO UTILIZE WHAT'S KNOWN AS A GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY PROCESS.
IT'S A FANCY WAY OF ESSENTIALLY SAYING, UH, EXEMPTING THE TYPICAL SITE PLANS, STEEP SLOPE VARIANCE PROCEDURES.
THE ADVANTAGES OF THAT ARE, IT DOES STREAMLINE THE PROCESS TO A DEGREE, BUT ALSO, FOR INSTANCE, WITH VARIANCES, IF THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED A GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY PROCESS, YOU DON'T HAVE A ZONING BOARD GRANTING VARIANCES THAT WOULD THEN SET PRECEDENCE.
UM, SO IN ESSENCE, UH, THE GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY PROCESS HAS BEEN USED COUNTLESS TIMES IN NEW YORK STATE.
AND IN FACT, THE TOWN BOARD OR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG HAS, HAS UTILIZED IT FOR VERY IMPORTANT TOWN PROJECTS.
I'D LIKE TO JUST GIVE TWO BRIEF EXAMPLES.
UM, THE EAST BROOK PARK, THE SPORTS BUBBLE THERE MM-HMM
TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZED GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PARK AT STADIUM ROAD, A LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
THE TOWN BOARD UTILIZED GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY, SO IT WAIVED ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE SITE PLAN PROCESS.
HAVING SAID THAT, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT, UH, THERE'S NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
IT ALSO DOES NOT MEAN THAT TOWN BOARD AND THE TOWN STAFF WILL NOT BE TAKING A HARD LOOK AT ALL THE VARIOUS, UH, UH, AREAS OF ENVIRONMENTAL IMPORTANCE SUCH AS AESTHETICS, AS MENTIONED, STORM WATER, UH, TRAFFIC, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO, UM, PROCESS WISE, WE'VE GOT OUR TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION TONIGHT RECOMMENDING IS THE APPLICANT CONTINUE TO DO THEIR VARIOUS STUDIES, DEVELOP, UH, CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THE SITE PLAN, FILL OUT VARIOUS APPLICATIONS, WHICH DO GIVE US THE TYPICAL INFORMATION WE GET FROM SITE PLANS SUCH AS TREE REMOVAL, LAND DISTURBANCE.
WE'LL GET ALL THAT INFORMATION AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE AWARE OF IT.
UM, AND ALSO, GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY DOES NOT EXEMPT THE TOWN BOARD FROM THE SEEKER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS.
SO THAT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO GET DONE.
IT'S NOT A TYPE TWO ACTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S ABSOLUTELY A FULL-BLOWN SEEKER REVIEW.
SO WE'LL GET ALL THAT INFORMATION WITHIN THAT SEEKER PROCESS.
WE'LL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN HEAR FROM RESIDENTS.
THE APPLICATION WILL BE REFERRED TO INTERESTED INVOLVED AGENCIES SUCH AS NEW YORK STATE, DOT, BY VIRTUE OF THE SPRINGBROOK PARKWAY, WESTCHESTER COUNTY WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL REFER THE APPLICATION TO THEM, THE NEARBY VILLAGE OF LEY, UH, THE HARTSDALE FIRE DISTRICT, WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN ENGAGED, BUT WILL ENGAGE THEM IN MORE FORMAL DOT TOO.
THEY, WITH THE SITE WALK AND, AND DOT HAS BEEN INVOLVED THUS FAR, BUT, WE'LL, I'M TALKING IN A MORE FORMAL SENSE WHERE, UH, THEY GET THE APPLICATION.
SO WE'LL INVOLVE ALL THOSE AGENCIES.
TOWN BOARD WILL HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THEY'LL PRESENT THE PROJECT, SOLICIT INPUT, COMMENTS, CONCERNS FROM RESIDENTS, UH, AND ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED, UH, THAT WILL ALLOW THE TOWN BOARD TO WORK WITH TOWN STAFF.
AND WE WILL GENERATE WHAT WE ALWAYS DO, SECRET FINDINGS, UM, AND HOPEFULLY, ULTIMATELY CONCLUDE THAT THE PROJECT, ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS CAN BE MITIGATED AND THAT IT'S ESSENTIALLY AN APPROVABLE PROJECT.
UPON DOING THAT, WE WOULD PUT FORTH A RESOLUTION TO, UM, FORMALIZE THE GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY PROCESS IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE DID THE TWO OTHER EXAMPLES.
AND WITH ALL THAT, UH, YOU HAVE SECRET COMPLETE, YOU HAVE THE GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY PROCESS COMPLETE, AND THEN THAT REALLY PLACES THE APPLICANT IN POSITION TO FILE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS, WHICH ARE ALWAYS PART OF THE PROCESS.
SO STORM WATER PERMIT THROUGH ENGINEERING AND BUILDING PERMIT THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I ALSO SHOULD NOTE THAT, UM, I BELIEVE, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE NEW YORK STATE CODE VARIANCE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEEK.
AND, UM, I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU LIKE.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL RUN CONCURRENT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS.
BUT ULTIMATELY, THAT, THAT'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS.
SO SPORTS, THE, THE, THE, THE VARIANCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPORTS IS RELATES TO SPORTS BUBBLES.
THE MOST DOMINANT VARIANCE, I'M GONNA SAY THIS AND I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE, BUT YOU CAN FACT CHECK.
THE MOST DOMINANT VARIANCE IN THIS COUNTRY IS FIRE SPRINKLERS AND SPORT SPORTS BUBBLES, BECAUSE THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE.
AND THE NEW YORK STATE BUILDING CODE ADOPTS THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE INTERPRETATION OF SPORT DOMES.
SPORT INFLATABLE SPORT BUBBLES.
IT, IT'S VIEWS THEM AS EITHER TEMPORARY STRUCTURES OR PERMANENT STRUCTURES.
AND IT DOES THAT BY, BY SETTING AN ARBITRARY NUMBER OF DAYS UP, NUMBER OF DAYS DOWN, THAT NUMBER GAUGE 180 DAYS, RIGHT? HALF A YEAR.
THAT ONE SHOE FITS ALL DOESN'T WORK VERY WELL BECAUSE THIS COUNTRY'S FIVE CLIMATE ZONES.
AND, AND, AND SPORT DOME UP AND DOWNNESS, IF YOU WILL, VARIES WILDLY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
SO THAT'S A LONG-WINDED WAY OF SAYING VIRTUALLY EVERY STATE, INCLUDING NEW YORK
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STATE, SEES SPORT DOME VARIANCE APPLICATIONS FOR FIRE SPRINKLERS, PROBABLY MORE THAN ANY OTHER TYPE.BUT, AND AGAIN, THIS IS IN FULL TRANSPARENCY, NEW YORK STATE'S RECOMMENDATION, AND I THINK THIS IS A FAIR STRATEGY, IS TO SAY, DON'T, DON'T PURSUE FIRE SPRINKLER VARIANCE.
PURSUE TEMPORARY VERSUS PERMANENT, BECAUSE THE OTHER COMES IN TOE.
AND REALLY, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CORE OF THE ISSUE HERE, IS THAT WE SET AN ARBITRARY DATE.
YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THESE BUBBLES UP AND DOWN.
YOU ARE JUST MOVING THE GAUGE BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE NORTHEAST, BEYOND THE HUN 180 DAYS.
IT'S A RATIONAL WAY TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
IT'S THE COMMON WAY THEY GRANT VARIANCES.
SO IT, IN THAT REGARD, TECHNICALLY WE AREN'T SEEKING A SPRINKLER VARIANCE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NOT TO OVERCOMPLICATE THE, YOU'RE SEEKING JUST TEMPORARY STATUS, THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE SPORT DOMES BEING, WHICH WILL ENABLE YOU TO NOT HAVE TO RIGHT.
GIVE, BUT LET, LET'S THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU DO FOR FIRE SAFETY.
WELL, SO THE, THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION, UH, FROM THE COLLECTIVE TEAM HAS BEEN MUCH ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, HOW IS EQUIPMENT ACCESS? WHERE DO WE PROVIDE WHAT? ADDING FIRE HYDRANTS, ADDING STAND PIPES ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.
UM, THOSE ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT WE, WE'VE INCREASED THE, THE ABILITY AND THE RESPONSIVENESS OF FIREFIGHTERS WITH HOSES TO THE SITE.
AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
SO YOU'RE NOT GOING, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE DISTRICT OBJECTS TO.
HOW, AND I THINK WE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
HOW FLAMMABLE THEN? SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
THE, THE VERY NATURE OF SPORT, DUMB FABRICS, ESPECIALLY OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS, IS ALMOST NON-FLAMMABLE.
THEY WILL BURN, BUT THEY BURN, THEY DO NOT PRODUCE A A, THEY DO PRODUCE A HEAVY FLAME.
THEY PRODUCE A VERY SMALL FLAME THAT, THAT CREEPS ALONG AT A VERY LOW HEIGHT.
UH, USUALLY MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, ONCE YOU WOULD THINK BECAUSE OF THE DOME IS PRESSURIZED THAT THE AIR BEGINNING TO ESCAPE FEEDS THE FIRE.
'CAUSE IT'S THE MATERIAL, BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF MATERIAL.
HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO BURN, UM, NYLON ROPE EVER SET THE END OF NOT, IT'S TOUGH TO DO.
AND IT'LL FLAME UP AND THEN IT'LL STOP.
BUT THE OTHER NOTION IS THE DOCUMENTED AREAS, THE LIMITED DOCUMENTED AREAS WHERE A FIRE HAS STARTED IN A SPORT, DORM IS IN ONE PLACE.
AND IT'S AT THE MECHANICAL UNIT WHERE, UH, THAT IS PRESSURIZING, RIGHT? HEATING AND COOLING TUBE.
AND MOUNT VERNON, MAYBE FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO, I THINK IT WAS A HURRICANE, AND THE BUBBLE FELL.
UH, YOU KNOW, UH, NOW THE BUBBLE IN EAST CHESTER HAD DIDN'T COLLAPSE.
WHAT COULD WE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF, COULD WE STAY FIRE? CAN WE STAND FLAM, FIRE SUPPRESSION? BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT TOPIC.
SO THE OTHER, SO I BRING THE NOTION OF, OF WHERE THE VERY LIMITED OCCURRENCES OCCUR.
THOSE UNITS, IF YOU WILL NOTICE, ARE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUBBLES.
SO THAT THEY ARE THE MOST ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE RADIUSES AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, THIS IS A SINCERE STATEMENT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD, HOW IN THE RARE INSTANCE THAT THIS MIGHT OCCUR, WHAT ARE THE BEST ATTRIBUTES? HOW DO WE PROVIDE THE BEST ATTRIBUTES? OKAY.
AND HAVE YOU PRESENTED THIS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? 'CAUSE IT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHO MAKES THIS CALL.
NOT ANY FORMAL WAY, BUT I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS DIALOGUE ALONG A LOT.
I, I'M LOOKING AT GARRETT TO GO, YES, I CAN SEE OR NO, OR MAYBE, SEE, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATORS AND ASK TO BE EXEMPT FROM HAVING FIRE SUPPRESSION SPRINKLERS, BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT PASSED.
BECAUSE IT'S GONNA COME DOWN AS, OH, WAIT A SECOND.
I GOTTA UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS EXTENDING THE TIME FOR A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE.
IN MANY WAYS YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE SAME THING, BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND, AND IT'S NOT, TO ME, IT'S NOT MEANT TO BE A WORKAROUND.
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REALLY JUST A, IT'S A, IT'S A STACKING THE CIRCUMSTANCES AS, AS IT AS IT IS.AND YOU'RE SAYING THIS, THE STATE HAS GRANTED THE, THIS IN OTHER AREAS? WE HAVE, YES.
I, I, I, WHICH AREAS I CAN FIND
HOW MANY MONTHS HAVE THEY EXTENDED THE TEMPORARY STATUS HERE? OH, I, WE WE'RE GONNA GO IN AND ASK FOR OUR SPECIFIC, UH, NUMBER, WHICH IS I, BUT WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST.
BUT YOU SAID THAT IT'S, THE VARIANCE HAS BEEN GRANTED IN THE PAST.
IF THE VARIANCE HAS BEEN GRANTED IN THE PAST BY THE STATE, I'M ASKING WHAT WAS THE LONGEST NUMBER OF MONTHS THAT THEY HAVE GRANTED, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT I CAN TRY TO, I CAN ATTEMPT TO FIND THAT FACT.
AND IS THAT RENEWABLE, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO RENEW, OR IS IT NO.
AND THEN, UM, GOING BACK TO NOT ONLY THE FLAMMABILITY, BUT THE MATERIAL AND WHETHER WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT TOXINS.
WE, I, THAT'S HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION.
UH, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, I MEAN, WE, WE KNOW THE MATERIAL, HAVE THE SCIENCE FOR THE MATERIAL, CAN SUBMIT THE MATERIAL TO WHOMEVER COULD, COULD YOU AGAIN MENTION, UH, WITH, IN TERMS OF THE H HURRICANES, AND I JUST ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT WE HAVE A BUBBLE RUMBA PARK AND BEEN THERE FOR HOW MANY YEARS? LIKE 10 YEARS? SIX, SIX YEARS.
AND WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH, WITH THAT BUBBLE.
IT'S A SMALLER BUBBLE, BUT THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME.
THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE A SPORTS BUBBLE IN THE TOWN.
AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER BUBBLE AT THE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB, WHICH THEY JUST, UM, INSTALLED, UM, WITHIN THE PAST YEAR.
AND I'M, I'M, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON BUBBLES, BUT I KNOW THAT THE WAY THEY'VE HANDLED THE BUBBLE OVER AT, UH, RUMBO, 'CAUSE WHEN THEY SEE AN IMPENDING STORM, SOMETIMES THEY'LL SUPER INFLATE IT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT THE EXACT SAME THING IS OCCURRING WHEN, UH, THE BUBBLES ARE, UH, ELSEWHERE.
HEAVY, HEAVY SNOWS ARE ACCEPTED, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO THE TECHNOLOGY'S GOTTEN MUCH BETTER OVER THE YEARS.
THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE HAVE BEEN BUBBLE FAILURES IN THE PAST, BUT YOU PUT THE PRESSURE UP IF IT'S GONNA SNOW, YOU PUT THE HEAT WAY UP.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE CABLE, THEY SHAKE TO GET THE SNOW OFF THE TOP OF BUBBLES.
UM, THANKFULLY THEY'RE PRETTY.
AND ANOTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS IS SORT OF, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS, AS YOU SAID, FOR 21 YEARS ALREADY.
SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S BEING SPRUNG ON THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOBODY COULD SAY WE'RE IMPULSIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IS, SO THE THING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MEETINGS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THE PARKS AND RECREATION, YOU KNOW, BOARD, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSED THAT JERRY BYRNE HAS OVER SORT, MANY, MANY PUBLIC, UH, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS ON THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, YOU KNOW, MY FAILING IS THAT, UM, IT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT FOR THE TOWN IF WE COULD, UM, GET THIS UP BY THE FALL OF 2000, YOU KNOW, 26.
BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE I KNOW HAVE BEEN EMAILING ME AND CALLING ME SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHEN IS THIS GONNA ACTUALLY HAPPEN? IT'S ALSO GONNA GENERATE A LOT OF REVENUE.
AND PEOPLE MOVE TO A COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF GREAT SPORTS, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY MOVE, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S THINGS FOR KIDS TO, UH, TO EXCEL AT.
SO, SO I THINK THIS IS GREAT THERE.
I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION THERE, SCHOLAR.
ARE THERE COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TENNIS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, PICKLEBALL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS SORT OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR STUDENTS THAT ARE EXCELLING TO ACTUALLY ENHANCE THEIR, UH, WE DISCUSSED ALL THIS WHEN WE DID THE APPROVALS.
NO, I'M JUST HA I'M JUST CURIOUS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF COLLEGE SCH.
PICKLEBALL IS NOT A COLLEGE SPORT AS OF YET.
IT LIKELY WILL BE ONE SOON AND IT LIKELY BE AN OLYMPIC SPORT.
UM,
SO THERE ARE ANY PICKLEBALL SCHOLARSHIPS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF TENNIS SCHOLARSHIPS, UM, UH, AVAILABLE THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES.
AND MANY OF THEM CURRENTLY OR IN THE PAST FEW YEARS HAVE BEEN TAKEN UP BY INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS.
DO YOU ADVISE, DO YOU ADVISE STUDENTS WITHIN YOUR PROGRAMS? YES.
UM, CAN I COME BACK TO FIRE SAFETY
UM, HAVE YOU GAUGED HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO GET TO THE PARK IF IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A FIRE? WE HAVE NOT.
UH, I, I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THEY HAVE, BUT IN THE DISCUSSION.
SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO LOOK BACK.
I DID WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THE CHIEF AT HARTSDALE, UM, I THINK HE DID CALCULATE THAT OUT.
I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER WITH ME RIGHT NOW, BUT I DO KNOW ONE THING.
WHEN WE GET THIS BUBBLE IN AND YOU LOOK AT THE FIRE SUPPRESSION, UH, SITUATION THAT'S GONNA OCCUR HERE, THE PARK ITSELF WILL
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BE MUCH SAFER THAN IT IS NOW.UM, BECAUSE WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET VEHICLES TO A PLACE WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET VEHICLES TO IN THE PAST.
SO THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT, JOE.
UM, AND I JUST, I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT IN.
IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIGHT SMALL FIRES IN THE PAST, BUT IT WILL BE GIVEN A LOT MORE, UH, LATITUDE TO ACTUALLY PROTECT THE REST OF THE PARK, NOT JUST THE BUBBLED AREA'S.
WHAT'S THE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUBBLE? IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU'RE HAVING A TOURNAMENT OR DOUBLES, OR WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THE BOAT? PARDON? WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF THE BOAT? WELL, IF WE, IF WE, IF WE UTILIZE STATE CODE EVENTS, I'M GUESSING THE NORTH BUBBLE IS IN, IS IN THE 75 RANGE, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE 75 PEOPLE EVER BEING IN THE NORTH, UH, AND NOT TO DISMISS THAT.
UH, BUT I, WE CAN, I CAN GIVE YOU THE, UH, WE'LL SHARE THE STRATAS OF IF THIS, THEN THIS.
AND HOW MANY AREAS OF EGRESS WILL THERE BE? HOW MANY AREAS OF EGRESS? OH, EACH.
BI, YOU KNOW, I FORGET, I THINK THE NORTH BUBBLE HAS SIX.
I THINK OBVIOUSLY THE CLUBHOUSE HAS TWO, UH, AND THEY'RE AT FAR ENDS.
AND THEN THE, UM, THE PADEL AREA, THE FABRIC STRUCTURE IS ESSENTIALLY ON GRAY.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE WALKING OUT TO THE SIDEWALK, ESSENTIALLY.
UH, JUST TO BE TOTALLY TRANSPARENT, I'M NOT SOLD ON THE IDEA OF GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE AND DO AS WE SAY, BUT NOT AS WE DO.
UH, THERE HAVE BEEN EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.
THE SIGN THAT'S ON THE LIBRARY, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, BUT I, I, I WOULD HAVE TO LEARN MORE AS TO WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE PROCESS THAT WE MAKE EVERYBODY ELSE DO.
WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A FAIR OBSERVATION.
AND I, I, I THINK, AGAIN, I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND OUR TEAM WHERE THIS PROCESS IS A HYBRID, SOMEWHAT UNIQUE.
UH, I THINK ALL ASPECTS OF THE WAY YOU NORMALLY VIEW PROCESS INTERFACE, LAND USE DEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING HERE.
I THINK IT'S OCCURRING IN A DIFFERENT WAY, IN A DIFFERENT PATTERN.
UM, WHEN WE LEAVE, WHEN GARRETT CAN EITHER GO, YES, OR, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT A PRESSURE.
WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T GET THE IMMUNITY, THEN IT'S GONNA DELAY IT FOR THAT.
WELL, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, OBVIOUSLY.
YEAH, I'M JUST SORT OF WONDERING, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE VERY KEEN ON PROCESS.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T
AND THIS WAY IT DOESN'T REALLY DELAY THE PROCESS.
AND IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANT TO ATTEND, BUT WE'D STILL HAVE TO GRANT THE GOVERNMENT IMMUNITY.
NO, WE STILL JUST MAKE A FULL, NO, WE COULD STILL DO THE GOVERNMENT IMMUNITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, NOT HAVE A, THE FORMAL, YOU KNOW, PUT IT IN ON THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, WE COULD STREAMLINE IT.
WHY WOULD WE WANNA GO GET AWAY FROM PROCESS? NO, BECAUSE I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE AVOIDING IN, IN THE EXAMPLE ONE, AT LEAST THE ONE EXAMPLE.
AND, AND TO BE BE FRANK ABOUT IT, THERE'S SITE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT WE DID AT THE LIBRARY, THERE'S SITE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES.
THIS IS A MAJOR PROJECT RIGHT NOW WE'RE HEARING ABOUT FIRE SUPPRESSION AND ISSUES TO ADDRESS FIRE SUPPRESSION.
GENERALLY, WHEN YOU FOLLOW A PROCESS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS COME OUT AND THEY GET WORKED OUT AS OPPOSED TO SITTING AROUND A TABLE AT A WORK SESSION ON A TUESDAY AFTERNOON.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE STATE, YOU KNOW, TO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE EXPRESSION.
AND THE WAY WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IS WE'RE GONNA SEE IF THEY CAN LONG, UH, HAVE A LONGER TERM DURING THE YEAR FOR US TO BE CONSIDERED TO BE TEMPORARY.
RIGHT? GENERALLY THE PRO, IF THE PROCESS IS NOT VALID, THEN WHY DO WE IMPOSE IT ON ANYBODY ELSE? RIGHT? SO THAT'S MY POSITION.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT I WOULDN'T AT SOME POINT VOTE FOR GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY, BUT JUST HEARING THAT WORD THROW OUT, THROWN OUT HERE TODAY AND SAY, THIS'LL MAKE THE PROCESS GO FASTER.
I'M THINKING ABOUT EVERY OTHER PERSON THAT COMES BEFORE US AND WE SAY, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS.
WHY, WHY, WHY IS THIS SPECIAL? OH, BECAUSE THE TOWN BENEFITS FROM IT AS OPPOSED TO AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER.
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AND I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, EXCUSE ME.
WE EXEMPT, EXCUSE ME, IMMUNITY BEFORE, EXCUSE ME.
UM, I JUST RECEIVED A TEXT MESSAGE FROM CHIEF ADA.
HE SAID BROOKS, UM, IS FAIRVIEW'S DISTRICT AND THEIR FIRST ENGINE IS WITHIN FOUR MINUTES.
UM, AND THE RESPONSE TO TOWN PARK IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE.
AND JUST, IT'S NOT AT BROOK? NO, NO.
HE SAID FAIRVIEW IS, IS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO GET TO THE RUM BUBBLE AND FIVE TO GET TO THE BUBBLE.
THAT WOULD BE AT VETERAN PARTY.
WHEN WAS, WHEN WAS ASKED COMMUNITY.
OH, YOU TEXTED ASKED THE QUESTION.
WORKS VERY HARD ENTITLED TO ONE.
HE ACTUALLY JUST SAID HE CAN CALL IN IF YOU'D LIKE
I THINK THAT WOULD ACTUALLY, SINCE WE WERE HAVING THE DISCUSSION.
NO, NO, I THINK, NO, DOESN'T MATTER.
I THINK THERE IS INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN SEND TO US SO WE CAN REVIEW AND ALSO HAVE HIM REVIEW AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, BETTER MAKE IT INFORMED WE CAN DO THIS AGAIN ONCE WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
AND ALSO ON GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY, THAT, THAT'S ACTUALLY TOWN STAFF'S SUGGESTION.
SO THAT ALL IS GONNA COME FROM US, NOT THEM.
I THINK THEY WOULD SUPPORT THAT PROCESS.
BUT YOU KNOW, JUST IN ITS SIMPLEST AND IT'S A VALID CONCERN.
IT'S A, IT'S A VALID QUESTION IN ITS SIMPLEST PROCESS.
LET'S TAKE THE STADIUM ROAD WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.
BY USING THE GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY PROCESS, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ZONING BOARD MEMBERS IN A POSITION WHERE THEY COULD CONCEIVABLY DENY THE HEIGHT VARIANCE THAT'S NEEDED FOR THE WATER TANK THAT WENT ON THAT PROPERTY.
UM, SO YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THEM IN THAT POSITION TO GRANT THAT VARIANCE.
UH, IT'S A NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE.
IF THEY WERE TO DENY THAT VARIANCE, UM, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY KILLING A PROJECT THAT'S LIKE LIFE SAFETY BASED.
UM, SO YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THOSE ZONING BOARD MEMBERS IN THAT POSITION.
I PRESUMABLY, I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID, A ZONING BOARD MEMBER WOULD APPROVE THE PROJECT, BUT I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT PRECEDENT SETTING AND ALSO RIGHT.
IT'S ALSO LIKE THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO GRANT VARIANCE THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN COME IN AND SAY, OH, WELL YOU GRANTED, YOU KNOW, HEIGHT VARIANCE FOR THE LICENSE AT THIS PARK PARK.
YOU KNOW, THEREFORE ON MY PRIVATE PARK, I WANT YOU TO GRANT THE SAME VARIANCE.
THEY'RE NOT CITING THAT AS PRECEDENT.
BUT I, I DO THINK THE, UM, UH, THE LIFE SAFETY EXAMPLE IS PROBABLY MORE PERTINENT.
NOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A LIFE SAFETY BASED PROJECT BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
YOU'RE NOT, THOSE ZONING BOARD MEMBERS DON'T HAVE A HOMELAND SECURITY INVOLVED IN THAT.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONTACT TANK MM-HMM
SO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD NOT HAVE WATER IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT, BECAUSE THEY HELPS SUPPLY SOME OF THE PRESSURE, BUT IT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR WATER WA IS SANITIZED.
OTHERWISE WE'D HAVE TO SHUT OFF WATER TO THE IMMEDIATE AREA AROUND THAT CONTACT TANK.
SO I THINK IT'S THE TANK HAD TO BE BUILT AS IT WAS SPECIFIED AND AS IT WAS APPROVED BY MANY, MANY AGENCIES.
AND THEN TO SAY TO THE ZONING BOARD THE GRANT, THE VARIANCE, THERE'S NO WAY THEY CAN DENY IT.
AND SO IT MADE IT BASICALLY A MATERIAL WHETHER OR NOT WE ASKED THEM OR NOT.
BUT SEE THAT AS THIS CASE, JUST TO CAST, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE, HOWEVER, UM, HAVING THE FUNDING THAT IS NOT OUT OF POCKET FUNDING FOR OUR TAXPAYERS TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR AND IMPROVE OUR PARKS, UH, ONE COULD ARGUE SUCH AS IN COVID THAT, UM, THAT THE PARKS WERE LIFE SAFETY
SO, AND THE OTHER THING THOUGH, I SORT OF FEEL IS THAT THE, WE COULD REACH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LEGITIMATE CON YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
NOBODY WANTS TO SAY THAT THEY COULD DO THIS WITHOUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S, YOU KNOW, CONSENT.
SO MY FAILING IS, UM, THAT WE COULD, NO, I'M SAYING WE COULD, WE COULD BASICALLY ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT EVERYBODY HAS, UM, COULD BE, UM, COULD BE FOLLOWED UP SO WE COULD, UH, REACH OUT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE THIS UNLESS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GIVES IT BLESSING.
THAT COULD SAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD STREAMLINE THE PROCESS.
AND WE'RE STILL DOING EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WANTS IN TERMS OF GETTING ALL THE, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND ALL THAT.
SO IF WE HAVE THE FIRE CHIEF AND HE SAYS, FINE, THERE'S NO PROBLEMS. I WORKED IT OUT.
UH, THEN THAT ISSUES, YOU KNOW, BE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND US.
UH, WE COULD ASK OUR A MS, YOU KNOW, JARED ROSENBERG, WE COULD ASK HIM TO SIGN.
SO THESE ARE ALL GIVEN ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN, ALL THAT WILL HAPPEN.
WE DO HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE TO, WE ALSO HAVE TOWN
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STAFF.WE HAVE TOWN STAFF THAT BUILDING DEPARTMENT INVOLVED.
AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE PROCESS TO DATE IS MUCH OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN OCCURRING.
AS A PROACTIVE, AS OPPOSED TO A POST APPLICATION.
THIS HAS BEEN MORE, LET'S GET AHEAD OF THE CURB.
JUST SOMETHING TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT BUBBLES AND FIRE SUPPRESSION.
I I, I, THERE ARE ALMOST NO BUBBLES THAT I KNOW OF THAT ARE, THAT ARE OPEN LESS THAN EIGHT DAYS.
AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A BUBBLE WITH CYBER.
THERE THERE ARE NO BUBBLES WITH FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS LIKEABILITY.
IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
THE HAS HE SAID USUALLY BUBBLES DO NOT HAVE SPRINKLERS DUE TO THE LACK OF THE FIRE LOAD.
HE SAID AS LONG AS THE EXITING IS ADEQUATE, HE SAID, I DON'T THINK IT'S MUCH OF A RISK.
WE NEED TO HAVE THAT IN WRITING, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THAT IN WRITING PLEASE.
I HAVE ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, LONG AS THE EGRESS, BUT I JUST WANT TO, AS LONG AS THE EGRESS IS SATISFACTORY, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM? VERY ROBUST, RIGHT? I BELIEVE IT'S A HUNDRED FEET.
THAT'S THE DISCUSSION THAT COULD BE HAD.
YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET OF AN EXIT FROM ALL LOCATIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, REPORTING ON INSTANCES OF BUBBLES CATCHING ON FIRE? I DON'T, I'VE NEVER, I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 25 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ONE CATCHING ON FIRE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T COMPILED A REPORT, BUT THERE IS, IT'S OUT THERE.
THERE WAS ONE IN BROOKLYN WHERE, WHERE I THINK THE WHOLE BUILDING CAUGHT ON FIRE.
IT WAS A TWO COURT BUBBLE THAT WAS STILL
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SHARE THE VIDEO WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE ZONING BOARD, PLANNING BOARD, PARK BOARD? AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER, PLEASE JUST EMAIL US.
OUR STAFF WILL FOLLOW UP ON THIS.
BECAUSE THIS WAY, UH, EVERYBODY'S UM, PART OF THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, UH, RUNNING ANYTHING.
NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK WE, WE HAVE THE ISSUE OF GRANTING THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXEMPTION.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT HE WAS CONFUSING THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA BE GRANTING IT THIS WAY, NOBODY CAN SAY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RAMMING SOMETHING.
SO PAUL, COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THE PROCESS IS THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO WAIVE? NO, I'M BASICALLY SAYING THAT I, I WOULD RATHER NOT GO THROUGH, UM, LIKE ALL THIS, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE EXTRA MEETINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND WITH THE ZONING BOARDS AND THE, THE PLAN BOARDS, I, I'D LIKE TO BASICALLY GET, MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE AND ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAS, ARE, YOU KNOW, RESPONDED TO.
AND, UM, AND SATISFACTORILY, YOU KNOW, ANSWERED.
AND THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, APPROVALS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, THE EMS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, UM, AND THEN LET THEM MOVE, MOVE ALONG.
BECAUSE TO ME, UM, THIS IS SUCH A, A FANTASTIC ASSET TOWN.
WHAT WE'RE TO BEAR WHEN WE STARTED RIGHT BEFORE THE AUDIO WENT OUT, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, WANT TO EXEMPT THEM FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
WELL, WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO, WELL CUT FRONT TAPE OF ALL WE, WE NEED REAL FACTS, RIGHT? ALL I'M ASKING IS WHAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE NORMALLY FOLLOW? WHY IS IT THAT THAT CAN BE, CAN'T BE MADE MORE EFFICIENT IF IT'S NOT EFFICIENT? AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IF WE EXERCISE GOVERNMENTAL IMMUNITY AND WHAT IS GAINED AND WHAT IS LOST? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
TI TIMEWISE ALSO WHAT WE'RE, WE DON'T WANNA LOSE ANYTHING THAT'S TIMEWISE AND PROCESS WISE, I'M AND SINCERELY, RIGHT? WE'RE TRYING TO NOT CIRCUMVENT, DISMISS, DILUTE ANY OF THE SCIENCE AND THE VETTING OF THE NORMAL PROCESS, WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
AND I WAS NOT COMING TO THE TABLE SAYING, YOU MUST DO THIS, YOUR MICRO BUG.
I WAS NOT COMING TO THIS TABLE SAYING YOU MUST DO THIS PROCESS.
I WAS PUTTING OUT THERE A POTENTIAL PROCESS.
AND I'LL GET THE INFORMATION YOU'RE SEEKING.
AND TRY TO ANTICIPATE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, KNOWING HOW INQUISITIVE WE ARE.
AND IF YOU ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVEN'T ASKED, THAT'LL BE HELPFUL TOO.
WHY IS THE PICTURE SO AWFUL?
AND WE WANTED TO BEGIN TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS REALLY WERE.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO THE BACKGROUND.
THE DRONES ARE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THIS.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER JACKSON HERE.
LOOKING FORWARD THIS HAPPENING.
SIR, CAN YOU JUST STOP SHARING THIS? CAN YOU STOP SHARING? CAN YOU STOP SHARING ON YOUR COMPUTER SO WE CAN CONTROL? THAT'S ALRIGHT.
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THANK OH, THAT'S OKAY.SHARON, RIGHT? IS WINSOME COMING ALSO? SHE'S, SHE'S OUT OF TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW IF I EMAILED HER.
SO DOES SHE HAVE INFORMATION? SHE'S ON CRUISE.
SO DOES SHE HAVE INFORMATION FOR SHE'S WHAT? SHE'S ON CRUISE.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S IT'S US.
I'M JUST, WHAT WAS THE NAME WE TALKING? WHAT WAS THE NAME? THE FIRST NAME WHEN I EARLIER THAT YOU MET.
'CAUSE I NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
THESE DAYS ARE JUST NOT STICKING.
THAT'S WHY HE PUTS THE NAME ON A SHIRT.
SO THAT PULL MIC TOWARDS YOU AND TURN IT ON.
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR? EXCUSE ME.
JOE, YOU ARE GONNA JOIN ME, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU WANNA SLIDE THE COMPUTER TO THE MIDDLE OF THE TABLE SO IT'S NOT, THERE WE GO.
UH, I WAS REQUESTED TO COME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON SO MUCH REGARDING ADDITIONAL BUS TRANSPORTATION SERVICE FOR OUR, UM, UH, PATRONS AROUND THE TOWN, WHICH IS RUN BY THE T-D-Y-C-C.
UM, BUT WE SERVICE DEFINITELY PARKS AND REC AND OTHERS WHEN NEEDED.
COMMISSIONER, BEFORE YOU CONTINUE, CAN WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITHOUT WINSOME HERE? UH, WE CAN SURELY.
UM, SHE GAVE, WHICH I SENT ALL OF YOU THIS FULL REPORT OF THE OPTIONS THAT SHE HAD AT THAT TIME.
SHE DID A GOOD JOB AT, UM, GETTING OUT ALL THE COSTS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
UM, MY, MY ISSUES ARE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, I TRY AND MAKE THINGS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.
I HAVE A 40 PASSENGER BUS, WHICH EVERYBODY LOVES TO TAKE.
AND JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF INSIGHT, I'M SORRY, I ONLY HAVE THREE.
I, I HAVE NO, IT'S REALLY JUST FOR A QUICK LOOK TO SEE FROM JANUARY THROUGH JUNE WE'RE GONNA DO BASICALLY 95 TRIPS AND THAT'S JUST THE KIND OF TRIPS THAT ARE GOING SOMEWHERE THAT'S NOT INVOLVING, UH, PICKUP FOR AFTER SCHOOL.
UH, UM, RUNAROUNDS FOR, UM, UH, SOME SHOPPING THAT GOES ON, SOME OTHER SMALLER THINGS THAT ARE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES TO IT.
75% OF THOSE TRIPS ARE 30, 32 PASSENGERS OR MORE.
AND USUALLY THERE WANT TO BE THE 40 PASSENGER.
WE WERE HAVING ISSUES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS WHERE OUR 40 PASSENGER BROKE DOWN AND UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS IN NEW YORK CITY.
I DON'T HAVE A 40 PASSENGER TO GO GET THEM.
LUCKILY THERE WERE SOME YOUNGER, YOUNGER SENIORS ON THE BUS THAT, UM, PERSONALLY SAID THEY WANTED TO TAKE THE TRAIN AND THAT'S WHAT GOT IT DOWN TO OUR 36 TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM HOME.
THERE'S ALSO, I MEAN THIS IS ANOTHER, ANOTHER PIECE TO IT THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, FINDING A DRIVER.
'CAUSE OF COURSE IT WAS ON THE WAY HOME.
SO WE'RE TALKING PROBABLY AFTER JUST AROUND FIVE O'CLOCK.
AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK GETTING A DRIVER.
I HAVE ONE FULL-TIME AND ONE PART-TIME THAT, UM, LIVE CLOSE, SHALL I SAY THE REST OF 'EM ARE PRETTY FAR AWAY.
AND THIS IS THE SAME ISSUE THAT WE WOULD HAVE WITH SOMEONE LIKE ROYAL COACH.
THEY HAVE TO FIND A DRIVER, DRIVER HAS TO COME TO THE YARD AND THEN DRIVE THE PLACE.
SO YOU PROBABLY HAVE TWO HOURS BEFORE SOMEBODY'S PICKED UP.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN'T TOTALLY ALWAYS, UH, FIX.
BUT THE FACT IS I HAVE MINIMIZED MY 40 PASSENGER TO ONLY CARRY THREE SIX.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE HAVING TO THOSE PEOPLE TO BE ON THE, ON THE TRAIN.
UM, IT WAS A CRUST THAT THEY MADE, BUT STILL, I STILL FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
UH, 'CAUSE THEY WERE ON OUR TRIP.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY NUMBER ONE AT THE MOMENT.
THAT BUS IS ONE OF OUR NEWER BUSES.
UM, AND IF YOU HAVE HEARD THE NEWER BUSES, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'LL COME UP ALSO WITH OUR OTHER CONVERSATION.
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UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT NOW.AND WHEN THEY GO, THEY GO AND YOU GOTTA GET A NEW ONE.
THE ELECTRIC CHIP, THERE ARE ELECTRIC CHIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT RATHER THAN THE OLD ONES MOTHER MOTHERBOARDS AND THINGS.
THE 36 PASSENGER THAT I WOULD SEND TO GO GET THEM IS MY OLDEST BUS.
THE NEXT ONE IS A 32 PASSENGER, WHICH WAS PURCHASED IN 2004.
AND IT'S GOT BASICALLY THE SAME MILEAGE.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE, UM, GET MORE AND BETTER TRANSPORTATION.
I KNOW THE CONVERSATION OF A, UM, COACH BUS HAS COME UP.
UM, MY QUESTION WOULD BE OKAY, 'CAUSE THE, 'CAUSE THE BUMPINESS OF A SCHOOL BUS AND ALL THAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, AND THE CONVERSATION OF A HYBRID AND OR ELECTRIC, I WOULD GO AGAINST THE ELECTRIC.
UM, FRANK MORDO AND I DID GO, UH, DO DO A RIDE WITH SOME OF THEM AND UP TO MIKE MARDO, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
UM, WE, UH, WENT TO THE BEELINE BUS SERVICE.
GREAT OPERATION THEY HAVE UP THERE.
BUT THEY DID TAKE US THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES AND UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THAT FACILITY RUNS ALL NIGHT LONG CHARGING BUSES.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE THAT WAS SAID IS THAT A FULLY ELECTRIC BUS WITH 40 PEOPLE ON IT, THEY DO NOT BELIEVE WOULD HAVE RANGE TO GO TO NEW YORK CITY, WAIT AND DRIVE BACK.
I THINK WE DECIDED THAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME, WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT A FULLY ELECTRIC BUS BECAUSE OF COST.
HYBRID B, BECAUSE YOU HAD EXPRESSED THE CONCERN ABSOLUTELY.
SO WE ALL WERE ON BOARD WITH THE HYBRID.
SO THEN A HYBRID IN WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS TALKED ABOUT IS WINSOME HAS IN THIS DOCUMENT OF A 40, UH, HYBRID SCHOOL BUS.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD STEP BACK AND SAY WE RECEIVED A GRANT.
RIGHT? SO WAY TOO MUCH SECURED A GRANT FOR $200,000 YES.
TO USE TOWARDS A BUS CDBG GRANT.
AND WE HAD PUT IN THAT WE WANTED A HYBRID BUS, NOT ELECTRIC AND NOT A DIESEL.
ELECTRIC WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE ANYWAY.
WELL, WE SAID THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY, BUT IT'S, IT COST FIXING IT.
HOWEVER, WE KNOW $200,000 DOESN'T BUY AN ELECTRIC BUS OR A HYBRID BUS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN UTILIZE OR IF WE CAN UTILIZE THE GRANT.
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE HER HERE TO FULFILL THEIR NEEDS, WHICH IS TO HAVE.
AND WE TALKED, WE HAD A LONG CON, WE HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ALSO ABOUT DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
OF HOW TO, IN THIS DOCUMENT APPEAR DOESN'T FULLY SAY IT, THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.
THAT'S NOT THE'S, NOT THE QUESTION TO USE THE 200,000.
THE COST IS THE COST IS THE CHALLENGE.
UH, 400, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME, SHE HAS 400, COULD BE A LITTLE BIT, BUT SHE WROTE A SCHOOL BUS THERE.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A SCHOOL BUS THERE.
AND YOU RODE A HYBRID SCHOOL BUS? UM, I DID NOT.
I GOT GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT THEM.
I'VE TALKED TO TWO DIFFERENT, UM, SCHOOL BUSES.
SO THEY ARE MORE COMFORTABLE A RIDE THAN YOUR I OLDER SCHOOL.
THEY WOULD NOT DIESEL BUSES TOTALLY SAY THAT.
NO, BECAUSE IT IS VERY SIMILAR SHOCKS, UM, THAT ARE IN THE, AND THE LONGER IT IS, THE MORE TORQUE THERE IS ON THE BOUNCE AND ALL.
SO THEY WOULD NOT SAY IT'S A, A, UM, ANY MUCH BETTER OF A RIDE.
AND I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING FOR AIR CONDITIONING AS WELL.
THAT'S NOT ON THE SCHOOL BASE AIR.
WE USUALLY, UM, DO HAVE IN MOST OF THE BUSES HOW, ON SCHOOL BUSES, HOW LONG IT WORKS.
SOME OF OUR MOST GOOD NUMBER OF OUR STAFF.
SO WHAT IS THE COST THAT, THAT YOU HAVE FOUND FOR THE BUS THAT YOU NEED? CAN WE, CAN WE HAVE THAT QUESTION? DID YOU, DID WE FIGURE THAT OUT PLEASE? THE, THE WHAT WINSOME HAS IN HERE IS 400,000.
AND THAT'S INCLUDING THE 200 FROM THE CBG.
THAT WOULD ACCOMPANY A HYBRID 40 PASSENGER SCHOOL BUS.
SO, SO WE GOT TO THE POINT, BUT WE NOT, BUT WE DON'T WANT A SCHOOL BUS.
I THINK EVERYONE, I THINK WE'VE ALL AGREED TO THAT.
SO WHAT IS THE COST OF THE BUS THAT WE NEED? AND IF IT'S 40 PASSENGERS, THE LAST PRICE THAT I HAD WAS OVER 800,000.
THAT ELECTRIC, THAT WAS, THIS IS THE REASON WHY THAT WAS HYBRID.
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OKAY.DON'T THEY MAKE A, CAN'T THEY RECONFIGURE A SCHOOL BUS TO HAVE COMFORTABLE SEATS? UM, OR, OR JUST CONFIGURE IT.
IT'S NOT JUST THE SEATS PER SE.
YOU COULD PUT A LITTLE MORE CUSHIONING AND ALL THAT.
IT'S THE RIDE, IT'S THE SHOCKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GO WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE SITTING MORE TO THE FRONT OF THE BOAT, YOU DON'T FEEL IT.
IT'S JUST, AND AGAIN, THAT LONG OF A BUS, THERE'S GONNA BE A DEFINITE DIFFERENCE TO IT.
AND THEY BUILD, UM, ALSO INTO SOME OF THESE MORE, UM, COACH BUSES, SHOCK ABSORBERS IN THE SEATS.
SO YOU'RE GETTING DOUBLE THE, UH, COMFORT AND THAT'S WHERE IT COMES.
HOW MUCH IS A BUS THAT'S NOT HYBRID? UH, WE CAN'T GET THAT THOUGH.
UH, I WOULD SAY YOU'RE MORE IN THE, UH, 2 50, 300.
SO I'M SAYING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE TAXPAYERS WOULDN, IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE A COMFORTABLE 250,000.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CDBG GRANT IS FOR.
IT'S FOR A HYBRID OR ELECTRIC THOUSAND DOLLARS.
I THINK WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE GRANT.
SO THE GRANT ALLOWS US TO HAVE WHAT TYPE OF PLACE? ANY KIND OF US, ANY KIND OF US, EVEN ANY KIND OF BUS, KIND OF BUS.
YOU DO YOU CARE THAT I GIVE HIM MY IDEA.
I, I WAS COMING WITH IT, BUT THIS WAS THE, WELL, I HAD, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT AN IDEA.
I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE, SO JOSEPH, WE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT.
SO, SO JUST, JUST, UH, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THESE PRICES, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT IT AND I SAID, WOW, IF THE TOWN'S EVEN CONSIDERING 800,000, IF THEY ARE, THEY, MAYBE WE COULD DOWNSIZE THE BUS, BUY A BUS, KEEP THE GRANT, UH, GET A, A BUS THAT COSTS LIKE 400,000, TAKE $50,000 A YEAR AND PUT IT INTO TRANSPORTATION SO THAT FOR 25 TRIPS A YEAR, WE COULD, WE COULD GET A COACH BUS FOR THOSE WE TO RENT IT.
SO IT WOULD COST THE TOWN $50,000 OF GOING INTO, UH, TERRANCE BUDGET.
WE TRY TO GET A CONTRACT WITH THEM, BUT THEY APPROXIMATELY ARE $2,000 A TRIP.
WE WOULDN'T LOSE A DRIVER ON THOSE DAYS.
IF THE BUS DID BREAK DOWN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BUS THE LIABILITY ON ANOTHER BUS FROM THEIR COMPANY TO PICK THEM UP.
SO IT DOESN'T, BUT WHERE ARE WE GONNA USE THE 200 TOWARDS UPGRADING TWO OF THE SMALLER BUSES.
WE TALKED ABOUT OPERATING TWO SMALLER BUSES WITH THE, WITH THE GRANT.
I THOUGHT, UM, WE DID TALK ABOUT IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST USE OF THE MONEY.
UM, WE HAD A CONVERSATION OF WHEN I HAVE TO SEND OUT, UH, UM, BUSES AND ALL, AND AGAIN, IT'S THESE TRIPS AS WELL AS EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE AFTERSCHOOL AND THE, THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.
UM, HAVING ENOUGH DRIVERS WITH THEM ON VACATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE MM-HMM
UM, IT, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT AND TWO BUSES JUST GOING TO THE SAME PLACE.
AND I ONLY, AND IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON PAST HISTORY, THAT IT'S ONLY A THIRD OF THE TRIPS ARE SMALL ENOUGH TO FIT IN THE SMALLER BUS.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE THING IS, IF WE COULD GET A REGULAR BUS, I'M JUST THROWING OUT, BUT BUSES DRIVERS, WE HAVE A REPAIR SHOP THAT BASICALLY HAS BEEN MAINTAINING BUSES FOR, FOR YEARS.
AND THE THING IS, WE, OUR BUSES, NO, WE DON'T BLOCK BUSES.
OUR BUSES HAVE BASICALLY LASTED OVER 20, OVER 20 YEARS.
THE, THE QUESTION IS IF WE COULD GET, UH, REALLY COMFORTABLE YOU REGULAR BUS THAT'S NOT HYBRID AND IT'S IN THE 250,000, GET A DIESEL.
WE CAN'T JUST GET A REGULAR GAS BUS.
A DIESEL BUS IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO GET.
AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
AND WHEN WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THE GRANT, WE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION THEM, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO REVISIT IT.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY THAT WE'RE THROWING OUT MONEY BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT THE SENIOR NO, THEY'RE GONNA SAY THAT WHEN WE APPROVE SUSTAINABLE WESTCHESTER, WE MAKE THEM PAY MORE FOR THEIR ELECTRICITY.
I KNOW, BUT THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS WHAT THE SENIORS WANT IS A BUS.
LET, LET'S NOT BE HERE CRITICAL HERE.
THEY WANNA QUICKLY, IS THERE ANY, UH, POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD GET A USED BUS THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT WOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY? I CHECKED I INTO THAT WITH THE COUNTY.
WE DID INTO THAT WITH THE COUNTY WITH MICHAEL.
AND THERE AREN'T ANY AVAILABLE.
SO HAD THIS DISCUSSION WHEN WE WENT THROUGH WITH THE APPROVAL AND WANTING THE GRANT.
YOU KNOW, AND NOW WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU GO IN A REVOLVING DOOR AND YOU KNOW, A YEAR LATER OR TWO YEARS LATER, IT'S THE SAME DISCUSSION.
WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION THAT THAT'S WHY THE RENTAL IS A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK BECAUSE, WELL, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I JUST QUICKLY POINT OUT THE RESOLUTIONS DO STATE FOR A ELECTRIC OR HYBRID BUS ALL THE RESOLUTIONS THAT WERE PASSED.
ALSO REMEMBER THE RENTALS RIGHT NOW, PURCHASING A BUS ISN'T A CAPITAL BUDGET, WHICH IS BLINDED RENTALS ARE NOT BLINDED.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR A $50,000 APPROPRIATION EACH YEAR.
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AND THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR THAT IS BECAUSE HIS, THE NEEDS OF MANY OF THE TRIPS THAT THEY HAVE ARE ACCOMMODATED BY A SCHOOL BUS.BUT THESE ARE SENIORS THAT ARE ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT BETTER BUS.
AND WE'RE ONLY GONNA TALK ABOUT DOING THIS LIKE 20, 25 TIMES A YEAR.
I'M EQUATING THIS ALSO TO THE WAY WE DO CAMPS EVERY YEAR WE SET ASIDE MONEY FOR 10 BUSES FOR THE, FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, SEVEN BUSES FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER.
IF WE WERE TO BUY THOSE BUSES, THEY'D SIT THERE ALL YEAR LONG AND WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM AND WE CAN'T MAINTAIN.
JOE, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T SEE WHAT YOUR ISSUES WITH YOUR IDEA, YOUR IDEA MAKES SENSE.
SO WHAT'S I'M NOT, WELL, THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO CAPITAL USE CAPITAL MONEY TO MATCH WITH THE CDBG MONEY TO GET A BUS THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THAT CA.
AND THEN SET ASIDE AN ADDITIONAL $50,000 IN HIS TRANSPORTATION.
AND THAT WOULD COVER WITHOUT HAVING TO BUY THE BUS.
WE SHOULD ASK KIMBERLY, THE CONTROLLER.
SO, SO WE'RE DEALING WITH THOUSAND JOE AND TERE, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH KIMBERLY.
EXPLAIN TO HER WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO AND THEN YOU CAN BRING IT BACK.
AND THEN YOU CAN BRING IT BACK TO US.
I MEAN WE JUST, I JUST THINK WE JUST MAKE THIS, BUT WHAT ABOUT FOR THIS SELLER? LIKE WHAT ABOUT FOR NOW? WHAT HAPPENS NOW? CAN YOU RENT BUTTON? I'M OPERATING AS I'M OPERATING.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NO, BUT WAIT A MINUTE, COMMISSIONER, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? HAVE BUS? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE OPERATING AS YOU OPERATE BUS.
I HAVE TO SEND 36 PEOPLE ON A 40 PASSENGER BUS TO MAKE SURE I CAN PICK THEM UP WITH MY OLDEST BUS.
HE IS OPERATING AS I BUT DON'T WE HAVE MONEY? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOME, WE HAD PUT SOME MONEY ASIDE FOR THIS.
'CAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS LAST SUB MM-HMM
RIGHT? SO ISN'T THERE MONEY TO RENT BUS AS NEEDED FOR AT LEAST? NO, I WAS, I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD TURN AROUND AT LEAST, UH, IN JANUARY OF 26.
AS SOON AS THE NEW BUDGET WAS APPROVED, THEN WE COULD START THAT PROCESS AS SOON AS A NEW BUDGET WAS APPROVED.
BUT RIGHT NOW TO GET A BUS, JUST THE TURNAROUND TIME, IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY TOWARD THE END OF 26 EVEN TO GET ANY OF THE BUSES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE'RE TALKING THAT'S $800, $800,000 IS NOT GONNA BE $400.
$400,000 IS NOT GONNA BE THAT IN THE TIMEFRAME YOU JUST SAID NEXT WEEK.
SO THIS SOLUTION DOES JUST SO IT'S ALL OUT THERE.
THERE'S NO, UM, UH, COACH BUS IN THIS SOLUTION.
WE CAN LOOK INTO WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE MORE CUSHION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT SOLVE UNDERSTANDABLE.
BUT IT GIVES US THAT, WHICH HELPS ME HAVING A SECOND BUS AND THEN ALSO DOING THIS COACH BUS, UM, USAGE BY HAVING THOSE FUNDS.
AND I THINK THAT IS THE BEST OPTION.
I MEAN, I JUST DON'T, I I JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BUDGET.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TAXES AND $50,000 IN ANNUAL, UM, PAUL, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
PAUL, PAUL, CAN I RESPOND TO THAT? WE'RE RIGHT NOW JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PURCHASE OF THE BUS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UM, POWERING IT UP.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THE ANCILLARY COSTS, WHICH REALLY WOULD, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'D AMOUNT TO $50,000, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT A LUMP SUM.
AND AS THE, AS AS THE BUS GETS OLDER, THE MAINTENANCE INCREASES.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A BAD INVESTMENT TO THINK ABOUT.
THIS ISS OUR COMMUNITY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE EVEN HAVE THIS IS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WHY, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WHY DO SUCH GOT A REGULAR BUS? YOU SAID FOR $250,000? THAT IS IN DISCUSSION.
WE, WE SITTING HERE FOR 45 MINUTES TALKING.
SO SHOULD WE TURN DOWN THE GRANT? UH, NO.
I WOULD RATHER, I THINK WE SHOULD NEED TO TURN DOWN THE GRANT.
I'D RATHER JUST BASICALLY GET THE, UH, THE, THE BEST POSSIBLE BUS.
AND IF IT'S, AND IF WE, IF IT'S DIESEL, NOT THE BEST POSSIBLE BUS, WE CAN'T TURN $50,000.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS WE RETURN THE GRANT.
SO YOU KEEP TALKING OVER BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT US TO RESOLUTION AN APPLICATION FOR 2025.
WAIT, WAIT FOR, WAIT FOR A 40 PASSENGER, ELECTRIC OR HYBRID BUS FOR SENIORS AND THE UTES OR THE T-D-Y-C-C.
SO I'M NOT SURE THEY HEARD THAT IS WHAT IT'S WANT.
NO, I DON'T WANNA TURN IT DOWN.
YOU JUST WANNA KEEP REPEATING.
LET'S, I THINK, I THINK THE COUNTY WOULD BASICALLY, UH, UH, WORK WITH US, BUT IF THEY DON'T WORK WITH US, THEN THAT'S COUNCILMAN DIDN'T YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY? I BELIEVE YOU DID AS WELL.
SO WHY ARE WE, WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
WE'VE GOT THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
FRANCIS JUST BROUGHT UP ANOTHER, A GREAT POINT THAT, UH, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY, IF YOU GOT, 'CAUSE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT OUR SENIORS.
WE HAVE INCREASED OUR YOUTH DEVELOPMENT UNIT.
WE HAVE A GIRLS GROUP AND A BOYS GROUP ABOUT 60 EACH.
AND THEY TOOK TRIPS THIS SUMMER USING TWO BUSES.
'CAUSE THAT'S HOW MANY WE HAVE.
TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE TYPE OF
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TRIPS.SO THIS WOULD VERY MUCH HELP THAT.
AND I SAID MAINTENANCE, WE'RE TALKING ALSO ABOUT THE COST OF THE DRIVERS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INSURANCES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY.
AND BY THE TIME YOU GET THROUGH THAT, ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE TAKING TWO BUSES AND TWO DRIVERS AND TWO SETS OF INSURANCE, YOU KNOW THAT $50,000 DWINDLES DOWN TO A, A, A MINERAL AMOUNT AGAIN.
AND IT REALLY MAKES SENSE TO GIVE COMFORT.
NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN PAUL, BECAUSE YOU CAN VOTE AGAINST IT.
THAT'S, I MEAN, WE VOTED, WE ALREADY VOTED FOR THE RESOLUTION.
I I BUS IT'S ALREADY A DONE DEAL.
I BASICALLY WANT TO, AND I ALSO AGREE THAT AGREE THAT WE NEED A BUS THAT IS REALLY COMFORTABLE FOR THE SENIORS.
WELL, WE SAID THIS ALREADY, THAT THAT'S MY GOAL.
IF WE COULD DO IT LESS EXPENSIVELY AND THE COUNTY CDVG, UH, PEOPLE WOULD SAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? GET A BUS.
SO NONE OF THE BUS TO KIND OF, YOU'RE BEATING A DEAD HORSE COMFORTABLE BUS THAT THE SENIORS WANT WOULD BEST BE GOTTEN BY RENTING IT.
AND YOU'RE OKAY WITH SPENDING THAT MONEY TO RENT IT.
I, UM, I'M, I I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE GONNA BE IN THE BUDGET, SO I CAN'T, I'M NOT, I CAN'T MAKE A COMMITMENT FOR LONG TERM WHEN, SO WE, WE ALL AGREE.
I'M JUST SAYING I JUST CAN'T, I JUST DON'T.
BOTH COMMISSIONERS, WE, THE, THE COUNCIL OVER HERE, WE WERE JUST HAVING A SIDEBAR CONVERSATION AS YOU GUYS WERE JUST HAVING A SIDEBAR CONVERSATION THAT WE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE THAT WE DO SUPPORT, UM, COMFORT FOR THE BUS AND THAT WE WOULD SUPPORT BUT NOT MON TOWARDS TO MAKING SURE THAT, UM, OUR COMMUNITY IS, IS TAKEN CARE OF.
AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS IF YOU CAN, UH, PUT TOGETHER SOME OF THE COSTS FOR THAT'S HAVING THE INSURANCES, HAVING THE DRIVERS AND WHAT THE OFFSET WOULD BE FOR THAT $50,000 ANNUALLY.
SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WE'RE GONNA BE GETTING A SCHOOL BUS JUST APPROXIMATION.
THAT'S GONNA BE LESS BUS, SCHOOL BUS THAT'S NOT AS COMFORTABLE BUS.
IT'S BE THE SMALLER, THE SMALLER BUS COULD FOR MOST, MOST OF USE.
AGAIN, I BRING BACK THE 40 PASSENGER THAT I NEED IN CASE THE 40 PASSENGER THAT I'M USING GOES DOWN.
I HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE ENOUGH TO PICK THEM UP IN ONE SHOT.
'CAUSE I CAN PROBABLY ONLY GET ONE DRIVER.
SO I AM LOOKING FOR A ANOTHER 40 PASSENGER BUS WHICH WINSOME DID PUT IN HERE.
SHE HAS A $400,000 NUMBER TO IT FOR A HYBRID BUS.
BUT WE KNOW IT DOESN'T COST THAT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GONNA RENT IT.
IN ORDER ORDER TO GET THE GRANT, I THINK YOU HAVE TO MATCH THE MONEY.
WE, I'M GETTING THIS, BUT THAT JUST CHANGE IT IF YOU DON'T WANT A SCHOOL BUS, BUT THE SCHOOL BUS IS WHAT COSTS $400,000.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO RENT THE BUS INSTEAD.
NOT INSTEAD IN ADDITION TO, IN ADDITION.
BUT TOMORROW THE, THE THE AT ANTHONY VETERAN PARK, THERE'S A SENIOR BARBECUE.
IF I SAY THEY ONLY GOOD NEWS, WE'RE GOING TO BE PURCHASING A SCHOOL BUS.
SO WHY WOULD YOU SAY IF THEY'RE GONNA, WILL ANYBODY ON THE, THE TOWN BOARD BASICALLY SAID WE'RE PURCHAS CAN, CAN WE MOVE ON A SCHOOL BUS, MOVE ON, WE'LL ALL BE UH, ASSASSINATED.
WHAT IF YOU WENT IN AND SAID WE'RE PURCHASING A SCHOOL BUS AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA RENT COACH BUSES FOR YOUR LONG TRIPS.
WE HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM COMING UP.
WE APPRECIATE THAT MUCH APPRECIATED.
IF YOU DON'T THOSE, SO HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
SO HYBRID BUSES, AND IT DEPENDS ON WHICH ONES WE GET, BUT THEY, MOST HYBRID BUSES USE ULTRA LOW SULFUR DIESEL FUEL, UM, AS WELL AS ELECTRICITY.
SO WE, WHICH TYPE OF HYBRID WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT? OKAY, GOOD TO KNOW.
WELL WE WOULD, ANYTHING WE WOULD PURCHASE WOULD GO THROUGH THE REPAIR SHOP.
UH, JOE RODRIGUEZ WOULD, YOU KNOW, VET ALL THAT OUT TOO IN CASE.
AND ONE THING HE WAS QUESTIONING IS, UM, THAT'S WHY HE WAS DEFINITELY AGAINST ELECTRIC.
JUST 'CAUSE HIS GROUP CAN'T FIX THAT.
AND YOU HAVE TO SEND IT SOMEWHERE.
BUT HE SAID EVEN THE HYBRIDS, HE HAS TO REALLY LOOK AT, HE HAS TO REALLY LOOK AT TO SEE WHAT HE CAN DO VERSUS HAVING TO SEND IT OUT AND WHERE WOULD HE SEND IT OUT TO AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE COSTS.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
WELL, AND THAT'S, WE CAN, ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAD, AND I SAID THE SAME THING IN HERE, SO THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD BE RENT.
SO MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS WE SHOULD HAVE JOE RODRIGUEZ HERE AND THE REPAIR SHOP AND NO.
SHOULD WE US SHOULD, WE SHOULD DO THE RESEARCH FIRST.
I'M TALKING THEN LET'S LOOK AT THE RESEARCH SO WE CAN FORM OUR QUESTIONS.
ALL I'M SAYING IS WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, OUR REPAIR SHOP PEOPLE, BUT WE CAN HAVE FRANK MOTO HERE.
I JUST THINK IF YOU WANNA PUT SENIORS IN A BUS, IN A COMFORTABLE BUS, GONNA HAVE TO SET ASIDE SOME MONEY FOR RENTING IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S WHY WE WOULD HAVE SUGGESTION A LONG TRIP.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? UM, SINCE BELINE HAS BEEN SO ACCOMMODATING THAT MAYBE, AND YOU HAD THE TOUR, WHY NOT LET HIM HAVE THE TOUR IN TERMS OF
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WHAT THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR IS? WHO'S AND ONCE HE'S MORE FAMILIAR FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE SHOT.JOE, WHO'S HIM FOR? OH, THE REPAIR GUY.
SO IF HE'S MORE FAMILIAR RIGHT NOW.
SO JOE, HE'S TALKING FROM NOT KNOWING ANYTHING THEN THAT DOESN'T THEN IT'S CONJECTURE.
YEAH, I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE SOME EXPOSURE, BUT MAKE SURE, BUT MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE, UM, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR FRANK MOTO WITH HIM AS WELL BECAUSE HE'S, HE OVERSEES THAT DEPARTMENT.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, SORRY, ROLE, THE ADDITIONAL ROLE THAT COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE SO HE CAN UNDERSTAND ALSO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS YOU SHOULD HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO, WHO HAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF THIS.
AS I SAID, I DID TRAVEL WITH HIM AND I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH HIM.
THEY ARE ON BOARD WITH THIS CONVERSATION.
YEAH, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC, NOT TO DUPLICATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE, BUT SPECIFIC TO THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR.
JUST BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE HIS AREA AND THAT WOULD BE WHERE HIS SAYING HE DOESN'T, HE'S NOT FAMILIAR.
SO HE'D BECOME FAMILIAR AND THEN HE COULD MAKE A, A EDUCATED ASSUMPTION.
THIS IS AGAIN, OUT OF THE BOX AND SO FAR I SEE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T AGREEING WITH ANYTHING I'M SAYING, BUT I'M GONNA LIKE ALL OF US, YOU KNOW, MY, MY MY FEELING IS THAT THERE ARE BUS COMPANIES, IT COULD BE COUNTY BUS SYSTEM, THERE COULD BE PRIVATE BUS COMPANIES AND THEY, THEY'RE USING THESE REALLY, YOU KNOW, NICE, YOU KNOW, EXPENSIVE COMFORTABLE BUSES, BUT THEY'VE PROBABLY ALSO RETIRE THEM AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, TIME.
AND, AND OUR AND OUR OUR USE IS NOT AS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT USING IT AS MUCH AS, AS A PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, BUS, YOU KNOW, COMPANY.
I'M SORT OF WONDERING IF, UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SENIORS, IF WE COULD, IF, IF WE WOULD REACH OUT TO UM, UH, SOME OF THE PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, BUS COMPANIES OR THE COUNTY AND MAYBE THEY HAVE A BUS THAT'S IN
AS I SAID, AS I SAID, NOT 15 MINUTES AGO, I DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY AND HE'S PRIVATE BUS.
HE, HE'S NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING.
WHAT YOU WANNA DO IS YOU WANNA TAKE A BUS THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO USE ANYMORE BECAUSE IT'S OLD AND GIVE IT TO THE SENIORS WHERE WE PRIMARY PURPOSE, WHETHER OR NOT THE BUS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, PLUSH SEATS ARE NOT THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF DOING THIS.
I UNDERSTOOD WAS 'CAUSE THE BUSES WE HAVE WE'RE BREAKING DOWN AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE A RELIABLE BUS BY GETTING A NEW BUS.
AND THE OLDER COUNTY BUSES ARE NOT HYBRID.
IT MAY NOT, THEY'RE NOT, MAY NOT BE COUNTY.
I'M ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS, IF I CAN ASK, BUSES ARE NOT HYBRID.
THAT'S A NEWER TECHNOLOGY COULD.
NO, BUT IT COULD BE PRIVATE BUS COMPANY.
THERE'S PRIVATE BUS COMPANIES.
ALL THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE.
UH, BECAUSE IT'S UNKNOWN WHEN THEY GO TO SELL A BUS 'CAUSE IT'S OLD.
THEY TAKE OUT THE STUFF THAT'S GOOD.
THAT MIGHT BE STILL OKAY AND PUT IT IN ANOTHER BUS AND PUT ALL THE BADS OFF JUST SO IT RUNS.
JOE RODRIGUEZ SAID DON'T BUY A USED BUS AND SO DID, UH, OUR GENTLEMAN FROM THE COUNTY.
MR. MR I, I ALSO DON'T, DON'T THINK YOU CAN DISCOUNT THE FACT OF THE DRIVER THAT COMES WITH THE RENTED BUS.
ALLOWS US TO THEN HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THOSE DAYS WHEN WE LOSE A DRIVER THAT HEADS DOWN TO THE CITY.
AND SO IT'S BUILT INTO THAT ONE COST WHEN WE RENT THAT BUS EACH TIME.
THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, COMMISSIONER.
TO UM, JUST A POINT, UM, YOU HAD ALSO MENTIONED, AND I JUST WANTED JUST CLARIFICATION, YOU'D SAID THAT THE BUSES, UM, YOU COULD NOT ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING WITH THE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SEEM TO BE AWAY FROM THAT NOW, BUT WITH THE COACH BUS IT IS LONGER.
A 40 PASSENGER WOULD BE LONGER.
UH, IF I CAN TAKE OUT ONE PARKING SPOT, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE THE TURN.
IT'S HARD TO FIGURE IT OUT AT THE MOMENT.
SO AT THIS, BUT IF WE, FOR THOSE OCCASIONS WHEN WE NEED TO GOING, IF WE GO ALONG WITH THIS UM, IDEA WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE A COACH BUS MAKE A TRIP, WE DO NOT PARK IN THAT SPACE.
AND WE ARRANGE THAT SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE ACCESS.
THANK CAME MUCH TODAY'S DISCUSSION.
IF YOU CAN WANNA REBA REVIEW THE TAPE SO YOU CAN COME BACK WITH WHAT YOUR WALK, 'CAUSE I SO MUCH WAS SAID.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU COME DO, BUT WE NEED JUST ANALYSIS OF EVERYTHING WE JUST DISCUSSED AND COST.
PAUL, WE WE ARE REALLY BEHIND SCHEDULE.
IF YOU COULD JUST BRING US INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION PLEASE.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS, UH, INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.