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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE JUNE 18TH, 2025 TOWN OF GREENBURG PLANNING BOARD MEETING.AARON, WOULD YOU DO THE ROLL CALL, PLEASE? SURE.
AND NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBERS MICHELLE MOYER, JOHANN SNAGS, AND OUR ALTERNATE EMILY ANDERSON, ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
NEXT WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK OVER THE MINUTES? AND ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? NO COMMENTS.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES PLEASE? SO MOVED.
DYLAN AND ED, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, FIRST UP ON OUR AGENDA IS CORRESPONDENCE, CASE NUMBER PB 22 DASH 12 OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD, AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN EXTENSION ON A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
AND THIS IS THE FIRST EXTENSION ON OUR RECORD.
SO THERE WAS CORRESPONDENCE RECEIVED ON JUNE 4TH, 2025 BY LETTER FROM, UH, HUDSON AND PACIFIC DESIGN, STEFAN YABA EXPLAINING, UH, IT'S THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A TWO YEAR EXTENSION OF THE, UH, AS CHAIRPERSON DAVIS MENTIONED, THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
I CAN, UM, ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT AND JUST LET THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW THAT THEY ARE ACTIVELY SEEKING THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, UH, APPLICATION IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THIS LOT, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD.
AND, UH, WE EXPECT THAT THEY'LL BE PROCEEDING VERY SOON.
SO THE PROJECT MIGHT EVEN BE DONE WITHIN THE PERIOD THAT WE EXTEND AND THAT EXTENSION WOULD GO TO, UH, APRIL 30TH, 2027.
YEAH, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LINK UP THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
SO I BELIEVE THEY WOULD GO TO JULY 20TH, 2027.
AND THAT SHOULD BE THE MOTION.
WHAT HAPPENS IS THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IS VALID FOR A SPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME, UH, BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT IS VALID FOR ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF ISSUANCE BY THE FORESTRY OFFICER.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE OUTTA SYNC AT THE MOMENT.
BUT WE CAN SYN THEM BACK UP AND THEY NEED TWO YEARS.
THAT'S, THEY DON'T, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD.
YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE CONSTRUCTION DELAYS.
SO IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL FOR THE BOARD TO, UH, EXTEND AT LEAST ON THE FIRST EXTENSION TWO YEARS.
SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO, UH, GRANT THEM THE EXTENSION FROM, UM, UNTIL JULY 20TH, 2027 FOR THE SLEEP STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
NEXT IS CASE NUMBER PB 19 DASH 33 BRODSKY, 2121 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND THIS IS AN EXTENSION REQUEST, THIS IS NUMBER EIGHT, IS THAT YES, IT IS.
OF THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
SO WE HAVE, UH, MR. ANDERSON HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, AND WE HAVE MS. PAGE, BRODSKY HERE, PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, WE'LL LET MR. ANDERSON EXPLAIN THE NEED FOR THE REQUEST AT THIS TIME.
SO WE FOUND OUT MORE INFORMATION AS WE'VE GONE ALONG WITH THIS AND SOME OF IT WITH IN RECENT TIMES.
CAN YOU JUST TAP THE MIC TO MAKE SURE IT MIGHT BE WORKING? OKAY, GREAT.
SO WE'VE REACHED STEVE ANDERSON, GABRIEL SR.
PC, PC LAND AFFAIRS ENGINEERS, AND, UH, WE RECENTLY FOUND OUT MORE INVOLVED.
IT'S BEEN BACK AND FORTH WITH BASICALLY THE TOWN ENGINEER AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
THERE IS A REGULATION THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT CAN, CAN FORCE YOU TO HOOK UP TO THE SEWER, THE PUBLIC SEWER, UH, IF A LOT IS OVER 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE GARAGE LOT.
NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS ON THAT, RIGHT? WE COULD GO COUNTY RECORDS IS, IS, UH, NORTH OF THE PROPERTY AND IT, WE REQUIRE ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 300 LINEAR FEET OF, OF PIPING AND OR ACROSS THE STREET THERE
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IS A PUMP STATION FOR THE SUBDIVISION ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH WE COULD ALSO HOOK INTO.UH, THIS HOUSE IS A, A REVOLUTIONARY WARHOUSE AND, UH, FORMERLY THE TOWN HALL, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO, UH, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT THE BACK GARAGE HAS A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO I'VE TALKED, TALKED TO A COUPLE PEOPLE AT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ALREADY.
THEIR OPINION IS, BUT THEY, IT HAS TO BE, I HAVE TO STILL IN CON TRY TO GET CONTACT WITH THE HEAD THAT WOULD SIGN ALL THIS, THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE COULD, UH, PUT A NOTE ON THE PLAN AND FILE IN THE COUNTY, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY WOULD SAY, UH, THAT IF THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS FAIL, UH, THAT THEY WOULD ONLY NEED TO HOOK UP AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE.
UH, BECAUSE BASICALLY WE'RE RESOLVING THIS SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LEGALIZATION OF THE, THE GARAGE IN THE BACK.
AND, UM, SO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO NOW THE SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THE GARAGE, RIGHT? WE HAVE LOOKED INTO THE ONE FOR THE HISTORICAL HOUSE, AND, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT TELLS ME AS LONG AS THE SYSTEMS ARE WORKING, THEY MIGHT HAVE US DO A NOTE SAYING, LIKE I SAID, IF THEY EVER ARE NEED A REPAIR, UH, THEY CAN'T BE REPAIRED AND WE WOULD HAVE TO CONNECT TO THE TOWN.
SO, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A, AN ANSWER FROM, UH, HEATHER MCVAY.
AND, BUT IF THAT DOESN'T, BECAUSE IT BE COSTLY JUST TO DO A WHOLE NEW DESIGN.
AND AT THIS, IT'S A LITTLE FINANCIAL BURDEN.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT ONCE WE GET WORD, WE CAN, WE CAN PROCEED.
I MEAN, IT MIGHT COME TOWARDS A CASE SCENARIO WHERE THEY, THEY DO WANNA DESIGN, BUT IT COULD BE A CASE WHERE WE JUST SHOW IT ON THE PLAN AND THEY WOULD ACCEPT THAT AND, AND THEN WITH THE NOTE.
SO, UH, AND THEN I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH JASON TOO AS TO, YOU KNOW, HOW HE FEELS ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING, SO, RIGHT.
BUT HE'S GIVEN ME INFORMATION ABOUT THE PUMP STATION.
IT'S LOOKING LIKE THE, SEE, IT'S LOOKING THAT THE COST OF GOING TO THE PUMP STATION WOULD BE LESS THAN, UH, GOING DOWN THE STREET TOWARDS THE COUNTY RECORDS.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE PUMP STATION IS THE ONE THAT HAS TO GO ACROSS THE STATE ROAD.
STATE PERMIT WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE AND THAT WOULD BE A DIFFICULTY TOO.
SO, AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVING YOU REPORTS, BUT I PROMISE THAT I WILL SET MY CALENDAR ON EVERY FIRST OF THE MONTH TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE AN UPDATE TO AARON AND, UH, SEE WHAT WE COULD DO ABOUT THIS.
SO I GUESS MY ONE QUESTION IS, IF, UM, IF YOU DID GET APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY TO GO THE ROUTE OF PUTTING A NOTE ON THE PLAN, UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM FAILS, THE PROPERTY WOULD CONNECT TO THE SEWER? YEAH.
CURRENTLY THE SEC THE, THE OUTBUILDING, THE GARAGE, IS IT CURRENTLY OCCUPIED WITH WHAT WOULD BE A FULL OCCUPANCY? SO SHOWING LIKE A TRUE LOAD OF WHAT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD HANDLE.
UM, MY DAUGHTER, JUST, IF YOU COULD COME UP TO THE MIC.
JUST FOR THOSE AT HOME AND ON TV WATCH, MY DAUGHTER IS IMMUNE SUPPRESSED.
SHE'S ON HER THIRD KIDNEY, SO SHE LIVES IN THAT HOUSE BECAUSE SHE CAN'T BE AROUND ANY OTHER PEOPLE.
SO SHE, THAT'S ALL THE, THE LOAD THERE IS ON THAT.
IT'S A SMALL APARTMENT OVER TWO CAR GARAGE.
I'M, WHEN YOU SAY HOUSE, YOU MEAN WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE GARAGE? CURRENTLY IT'S AN APARTMENT OVER THE TOP OF TWO CAR GARAGE.
AND, AND IT HAS BEEN RENTED SINCE 1957.
AND THEN IN 2006, I THINK I GOT A REALLY OBNOXIOUS TENANT WHO HAD A LOT OF, UH, SUMMONSES PUT ON THE HOUSE, WHICH I HAVE NOW CORRECTED, BUT I, IT'S STILL IN COURT HERE BECAUSE I CAN'T GET A WORK PERMIT FOR IT UNTIL THIS SUBDIVISION IS FINISHED.
BUT I HAVE FINISHED ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WERE ON THE SUMMONSES AND IT'S BEEN GOING ON.
I MEAN, IT'S REALLY BEEN GOING ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND I'M SORRY WE GOT BEHIND.
BUT, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE? I'VE BEEN ASKING TO BE
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HOOKED UP TO THE, TO THE SEWER FOR 40 YEARS AND FOR 40 YEARS THEY HAVE SAID TO ME, NO, WE DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD, YOU'D HAVE TO KNOCK THAT ROAD APART.AND SO NOW THEY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA WHEN I AM A OLD LADY LIVING IN AN OLD HOUSE,
SO I THINK I'VE EXPLAINED MY SITUATION.
UNDERSTAND THIS, UNDERSTAND THAT.
I THINK, UH, UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.
I THINK THAT'S, THIS, THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR AMANDA.
UM, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CATALYST OF THE SUBDIVISION WAS THAT THERE WAS A TENANT IN, IN THE GARAGE AND AT THAT, AND AT THAT TIME, THE ONLY SOLUTION WAS A SUBDIVISION.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL ON IF THE TOWN WILL, WILL CONSIDER AN A DU LAW OR WHAT THE TIMELINE WOULD BE FOR A STATE PERMIT, IF THAT'S THE ROUTE YOU GO.
UM, IF THE TOWN WERE TO PASS AN A DU LAW, WOULD THE, THE SEPTIC VERSUS SEWER POTENTIALLY IMPACT THEIR ABILITY TO, TO SEEK THAT? OR COULD POTENTIALLY AN A DU BE A SOLUTION? UH, IF, IF THE TOWN HAD PROVISIONS FOR IT.
SO DEPENDING UPON WHAT'S ADOPTED FOR THE A D LAW COULD POTENTIALLY BE A POSSIBILITY.
AND I'M SORRY, I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS BEFORE THE MEETING.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT PROPERTY IS CLASSIFIED AS? UM, WHAT THE CLASSIFICATION IS IN THE TOWN RECORDS? SINGLE FAMILY, I THINK.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? LIKE OUR 40 OR 20? WELL, SO THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CLASSIFIED SINGLE FRAN FAMILY WITH ACCESSORY APARTMENTS.
FOR SOME REASON IT'S SCATTERED THROUGHOUT, SO YOU CAN'T, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN POINT TO ONE AREA AND SAY ALL OF THOSE ARE, OR POINT TO A PARTICULAR HOME AND SAY, OH, THAT MUST BE A SINGLE FAMILY FOR SOME REASON.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS EVER LOOKED AT THAT.
I I THINK IT'S JUST SINGLE FAMILY.
AND I OWN THAT HOUSE AND THAT GARAGE ARE ON TWO ACRES, AND I OWN TWO MORE ACRES THAT ARE UNBUILDABLE IN MY MIND.
AND I TRIED TO GIVE THEM TO THE TECH AND THEY SAID THEY'D RATHER HAVE MY TAXES.
SO I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT, AND IT'S A LOT OF TAXES.
AND I GUESS THIS HAS NO BEARING ON, ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US.
NO, WELL, NO, I, I LIKE THE SUBDIVISION BECAUSE WE'VE GONE SO FAR WITH THIS.
WELL, I GUESS I, I HAVE A, THIS HAS NO BEARING ON, ON WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PREMISE IS, IS A HISTORICAL LANDMARK.
JUST FOR MY EDIFICATION, IS IT BOTH THE, THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND THE GARAGE? OR BOTH? HISTORIC OR JUST THE, JUST THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
WHEN, WHEN, UM, WE DO NEED YOU OUT THE MICROPHONE OR WE CAN HAND YOU A MICROPHONE.
WE, WE CAN, YEAH, WE GET HANDED HERE.
UM, JUST THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE.
I'VE LIVED IN THIS HOUSE FOR 40 YEARS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE FROM LIVED IN IT FOR 40 YEARS.
AND THEN SOMEBODY LIVED IN IT BEFORE THAT, THERE WAS A RESTAURATEUR FROM THE CITY WHO MADE IT INTO HIS ADIRONDACKS LODGE.
AND SO IT'S QUITE A BEAUTIFUL HOUSE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S OLD, OLD, OLD, OLD AND HARD TO TAKE CARE OF.
AND SO THIS, THIS IS 180 DAY EXTENSION.
IS, IS THERE ANY, UH, SENSE THAT, THAT THIS WILL BE THE LAST REQUEST OR I THINK IF I REALLY PUSH IT THIS YEAH.
PUSH IT WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, I CAN GET AN ANSWER AND GET IT, GET, GET SOMEPLACE WHERE TO GO WITH THIS.
AND YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH EARLIER.
SO IN THE LAST EXTENSION, YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT MONTHLY UPDATES.
AND I, SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ABLE TO COMMIT TO THAT RIGHT.
AND CREATE WHATEVER SYSTEMS YOU NEED TO TO, TO MANAGE THAT.
SO I'LL MAKE SURE IT'S SET FOR JUNE 1ST.
AND, BUT THAT BEING SAID, SORRY, WHATEVER JULY 1ST THING THAT BEING SAID, YOU'RE GOING FOR A VERY SPECIFIC ASK, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UM, DO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IN BOTH, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT IT'S, UH, I SPOKE TO ONE PERSON IN THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AS LONG AS THERE'S NO BACKUP IN THE SEWERS, THEY CONSIDER IT WORKING.
BUT WE WOULD, WE DO HAVE TO FIND OUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THE, THE GARAGE.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND I DO KNOW WHERE THE SEWER VENT IS FOR THAT.
AND THEY'LL PROBABLY SNAKE IT AND FIND THE TANK.
MY QUESTION TO YOU, BECAUSE THIS IS 180 DAY HALF A YEAR EXTENSION, IF THEY DE IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU SOME TIME FOR THEM TO GET BACK TO
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YOU, IF THEY DECLINE THAT, THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE OTHER ROUTE, WHICH ALSO MEANS THAT YOU WOULD'VE TO GET STATE PERMISSION.SO JUST BEING MINDFUL, UM, THAT WHEN WE REQUEST YEAH.
THAT IS, IS WHAT WE'LL NEED TO SEE.
SO THAT THE NEXT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE WILLING TO APPROVE THE NEXT EXTENSION AND NOT HAVE YOU START FROM DAY ONE.
A FEW BULLETS, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SUPER EXPENSIVE, BUT JUST SOME IN WRITING, SOME UPDATE IN WRITING THAT, THAT WE KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE MOVING THE, OKAY.
AND IF, AND IF ANY OF THAT COMES WITH BACKUP, LIKE HERE'S THE LETTER YEAH.
THAT I SENT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, HERE'S THEIR RESPONSE.
IT COULD ALSO BE THAT THERE'S NO UPDATE FOR A PARTICULAR MONTH.
CHECK IT'S CONSIDERING THEIR SITUATIONS.
AND I, THIS IS A REALLY, UH, UH, PRESERVING A GOOD HERITAGE OF, UH, TOWN OF GREENBURG.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM A LONGER EXTENSION? SO NO, NO, FOR THIS, IT'S NOT, IT'S DEFINED AS 180 DAYS.
BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A, SOMETHING THAT THEY, THEY LIKE TO DO FOR A LONG TIME.
AND IT'S, UH, IT'S JUST THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT GOING SO, RIGHT.
I MEAN, I HATE TO CONDEMN, UH, YEAH.
THIS IS BROSKY TO COME HERE TO DRAG HER HERE.
WELL, TO A LOT OF THESE, I THINK THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO HAVE BOTH THE REPRESENTATIVE AND THE OWNER HERE BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN SOME TIME SINCE WE LAST REALLY HAD THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL CONCERNING HOW THE PROJECT'S PROGRESSED.
YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THE MONTHLY UPDATES AND SIX MONTHS PASSES, ACTUALLY EVEN LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.
'CAUSE THIS IS A RETROACTIVE EXTENSION TO APRIL 18TH.
UM, SO IF IN FOUR MONTHS THEY'RE BACK, WE HAVE ALL THOSE UPDATES, THERE MAY NOT BE NECESSARILY A NEED TO ATTEND, AT LEAST FOR THE OWNER.
I THINK WHATEVER WE CAN DO, IT'S, IT'S REALLY, UH, VERY IMPORTANT.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING, I, UH, I, I MOVE.
WE APPROVE THE EXTENSION FOR 180 DAYS.
THE CONDITION WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY, UH, SAME, SAME, SAME CONDITIONS AS PREVIOUS AS THE PREVIOUS EXTENSION WITH MONTHLY UPDATES ON THE FIRST OF THE MONTH.
NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS PB 25 0 9 LOMBARDO'S NINE 19 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
AND THIS IS A WORK SESSION TO CLASSIFY, UH, PRO PROPOSED ACTION UNDER SEEGER.
UH, ARE THEY HERE? UM, THEY MAY BE HERE, BUT, UH, IT'S ON FOR DECISIONS.
SO WE DON'T LIKE MANDATE THAT AN APPLICANT ATTENDS.
WE DO HAVE STEVE CHRISTENSEN CHRISTENSEN, THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE ON ZOOM.
IN THE EVENT THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE DRAFT DECISION WAS PREPARED AS THE CHAIRPERSON INDICATED WE WOULD, UH, CLASSIFY THE PROPOSED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
THIS PROJECT DOES QUALIFY AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
UM, SO THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER THAT.
AND THEN VOTING ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE RESTAURANT WITH THE ADDITIONAL SEATING AS PROPOSED.
ARE THERE ANY? NO, I THINK IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WANT TO CLASSIFY THIS AS A TYPE TWO ACTION ON THE SEEKER.
AS WELL AS TO, UM, APPROVE THE, UM, I'M SORRY, I'M LOST HERE.
THE SPECIAL USE, THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YEAH, I'M READING THE WRONG ONE.
THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UM, FOR LOMBARDO RESTAURANT.
THIS WAS THE ONE WITH THE ADDITIONAL SEATING.
SO MR. CHRISTENSEN, YOU'RE ALL SET.
WE'LL FINALIZE THIS DECISION AND GET IT OFF TO YOU.
UM, WE'RE CLOSED TOMORROW, BUT PERHAPS FRIDAY, IF NOT MONDAY.
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DOING THIS ONE, MAYBE WE WILL, UH, PUT, PUT A PIN IN LOMBARDO'S FOR THE HOLIDAY PARTY.UH, I JUST WANTED TO, OR UNLESS YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE, BUT I CAN ANNOUNCE JUST FOR ANYONE WATCHING AT HOME OR IN ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING.
UH, ON THE, THE FINAL AGENDA WAS MODIFIED FROM THE DRAFT AGENDA.
THERE WAS A CASE ON THAT, UH, HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA DUE TO NOT HAVING A QUORUM IN THE BUILDING.
THAT WAS THE O MANDARIN PROJECT ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS PB CASE NUMBER PB 24 DASH 20.
ADDITIONALLY, ON THE FINAL AGENDA WAS CASE NUMBER TB 25 DASH SEVEN, A RECREATION FEE USE REQUEST ASSOCIATED WITH THE NATURE CENTER AT GREENBERG, UH, WITH MR. PINE RECUSING HIMSELF.
FROM THAT, UH, DISCUSSION OF THAT REQUEST, WE, WE WOULD, WE ARE PUTTING THAT OVER UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT IT WILL NOT DELAY THE NATURE CENTER IN PROCEEDING WITH THE TOWN BOARD BECAUSE THE EARLIEST THEY COULD GET ON WITH THE TOWN BOARD WOULD BE JULY 9TH.
AND OUR NEXT MEETING IS JULY 2ND.
SO WE HOPE TO TAKE THAT UP ON JULY 2ND AND THE BOARD TO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE USAGE OF THOSE FUNDS.
THE, UH, QUICK UPDATE IS THAT THE BUDGET INFORMATION WAS SUBMITTED AND IT WAS IN YOUR PACKAGES.
WE WOULD REQUEST THAT IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE BUDGET OR THE RECOMMENDATION ITSELF, UM, ANY LANGUAGE YOU'D LIKE TO SEE, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE OR EMAIL US AHEAD OF THE SECOND SO THAT THE BOARD'S IN A POSITION ON JULY 2ND TO ISSUE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
SO THE NEXT CASE THAT WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW THIS EVENING IS CASE NUMBER PB 24 13.
THIS IS TACO BELL AT 57 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
FIRST, WE'LL BE, UM, CONSIDERING DECLARING OURSELF AS LEAD AGENCY FOR A SEEKER.
SO STAFF PROVIDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS AN UPDATED STAFF REPORT DATED JULY 11TH, 2025, WHICH, UM, GIVES INFORMATION RELATED TO THE MOST RECENT SET OF PLANS AND SUBMISSION BY THE APPLICANT.
IT ALSO GIVES A GENERAL APPLICATION TIMELINE ON PAGE ONE.
SO AS MR. BRITTON INDICATED, WHO PREPARED THIS DOCUMENT, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD DID DECLARE LEAD AGENCY INTENT, WHICH WAS CIRCULATED TO ALL INTERESTED AND INVOLVED AGENCIES.
UH, WE HEARD, DID HEAR BACK FROM THE ZONING BOARD THAT THEY DID NOT OBJECT.
UH, WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM NEW YORK STATE DOT, BUT THE 30 DAY TIME PERIOD HAS LAPSED.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD IS IN A POSITION AT THIS TIME TO DECLARE ITSELF LEAD AGENCY FOR PURPOSES OF SEEKER REVIEW.
AND THAT'S ALL THE BOARD NEED.
STAFF SUGGESTS THE BOARD DUE TONIGHT WITH RESPECT TO SEEKER.
WE'LL DISCUSS PROBABLY FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, THE NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS.
AND WE DO HAVE MR. CANNING HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
MR. CANNING, UM, REVIEWED THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE.
HE'S BEEN INVOLVED SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PROJECT.
UM, HE'S ASKED THE APPLICANT FOR INFORMATION.
HE GENERATED, UH, HIS REVIEW MEMORANDUM, WHICH WAS, UH, PROVIDED THE APPLICANT RESPONDED TO THAT, AND THE APPLICANT WILL GIVE US AN UPDATE SINCE THEY WERE LAST BEFORE THE BOARD.
I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. HI EVERYBODY.
UH, MATT BARONS FROM ZAIN STEINITZ FOR THE RECORD FOR THE APPLICANT ALONG WITH PAUL DUMONT FROM JMC.
WE KNOW IT'S BEEN A COUPLE MONTHS.
UM, SO FIRST WE'LL JUST KIND OF REACCLIMATE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE PROJECT IS AND PAUL WILL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE SITE PLAN CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL AS RESPONDING TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT STAFF AND MR. CANAAN MADE.
SO ON THE SCREEN YOU'LL SEE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THIS PROJECT PROPOSES THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE, UH, EXISTING HONEYBAKED HAM DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WE THINK IT'S QUITE FRANKLY, UH, A LITTLE BIT UNDERUTILIZED.
IF YOU SEE THERE'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS AREAS.
THE GREEN SPACE IS NOT AS WELL KEPT.
UM, THERE'S ROOM FOR MORE LANDSCAPING, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THE APPLICANT, KAI RESTAURANT GROUP, UH, IS PROPOSING IS A TACO BELL DRIVE THROUGH, UH, WITH RELATED, UH, DINING FACILITY AT THE LOCATION.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS AN EXPERIENCED OPERATOR OF, OF TACO BELL PROJECT PROJECTS WITH, UM, MULTIPLE FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE, THE WESTCHESTER AREA, UM, AND
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HAS HAD, YOU KNOW, SUCCESS WITH THEM ELSEWHERE.UM, SO INSTEAD OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU TACO BELL PROJECT, WHICH JUST TO HIGH LEVEL HIGHLIGHTS, ULTIMATELY THERE'S GONNA BE MORE GREEN SPACE ON THE SITE.
THERE'S GONNA BE LESS IMPERVIOUS AREAS, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR, UH, STORMWATER RUNOFF.
WE, AS PAUL WILL GET INTO, WE ARE CODE MORE THAN CODE COMPLIANT IN TERMS OF STORMWATER RUNOFF RATES, UM, AND ARE, AND ARE DECREASING STORMWATER IMPACT AS COMPARED TO WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS.
UM, WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT THAT IT'LL BE MORE ATTRACTIVE WITH THE FRONTAGE ON CENTRAL PARK AVE WITH THE LANDSCAPING BUFFERS AND MORE OF THE, UH, WELL KEPT LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND FROM A DOT PERSPECTIVE, THEY, THEY STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST TWO CURB CUTS, WHICH IS THE CURRENT CONDITIONS.
NOW, THERE'S TWO MEANS, ONE TO GET IN, ONE TO GET OUT, AND WE ARE PROPOSING THE, UH, CONSOLIDATION OF THE CURB COAT, WHICH IS RECOMMENDED BY DOT AS A SITE IMPROVEMENT.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, TO, YOU KNOW, TO MITIGATE, UH, ANY ISSUES WITH NEIGHBORS AND SURROUNDING AREAS, WE ARE PROPOSING SOUND ATTENUATION BARRIERS ALONG THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING HERE, THE BOTTOM LEFT SIDE WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH WILL BE, UM, WHICH WE THINK WILL HELP MITIGATE ANY ADVERSE IMPACTS.
SO, UH, THAT'S A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW, SOME OF THE BENEFITS.
UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO PAUL TO GO THROUGH SOME SITE PLANNING DISCUSSIONS AND, AND RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AS WELL.
UH, GOOD EVENING FOR THE RECORD.
UH, SO, UM, JUST TO WALK EVERYBODY THROUGH, UH, SINCE WE LAST APPEARED BEFORE YOU IN MARCH, WE, UH, MADE A COMPREHENSIVE RESUBMISSION ADDRESSING, UH, STAFF COMMENTS AS WELL AS COMMENTS WE HEARD FROM THE BOARD.
UM, JUST RUN THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING WAS, UH, PERFORMING ADDITIONAL COUNTS AT THE YONKERS TACO BELL SITE, UH, WHICH WE DID.
UM, SO, UH, WE PERFORMED THOSE COUNTS ON A PEAK, UH, UH, HOUR, I BELIEVE IT WAS A FRIDAY.
AND, UM, WE FOUND THAT THE, UH, AT THAT SITE, THERE WAS 10 PARKING SPACES UTILIZED AT THE MAX, AND THERE WAS A MAX QUEUE OF SIX VEHICLES.
SO, UH, JUST ADDS ANOTHER DATA POINT.
WE HAD ALREADY PROVIDED THE BOARD WITH, UM, I BELIEVE FOUR OTHER TACO BELLS THAT WERE THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER.
SO JUST GIVES US ANOTHER DATA POINT AND GIVES THE BOARD SOME ASSURANCE THAT THE SITE DESIGN IS ADEQUATE.
UH, IN ADDITION, UH, WE REVISED THE LAYOUT TO INCORPORATE ON THE SITE.
I'LL POINT THOSE OUT ON THE SCREEN.
ONE IS AT THE END OF THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, UH, RIGHT AGAINST CENTRAL AVENUE.
THAT WAS ONE PARKING SPACE THAT WE CONVERTED TO A LANDSCAPED ISLAND.
UH, AND ALSO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, UH, WE ADDED A LANDSCAPED ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT BAY OF PARKING.
SO THAT DID, UM, ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR ONE OF THE, THE WAIVERS THAT WE WERE SEEKING PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WAS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, LANDSCAPED ISLANDS.
UH, AND IT ALSO DOES INCREASE THE PERVIOUS AREA, WHICH IS NICE.
UM, IT DOES INCREASE OUR VARIANCE REQUESTS, UM, SLIGHTLY, BUT OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE THE DATA TO SUPPORT THAT WE FEEL.
AND, UM, I KNOW THE, THE PLANNING BOARD AND, UH, AS WELL AS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FELT, UM, LOOKED, LOOKED AT THE ISLANDS FAVORABLY.
SO, UM, WITH, YEAH, WITH REGARD TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WE LOOKED AT, UM, WE PROVIDED HYDROLOGIC CALCULATIONS FOR THE SITE.
UH, AGAIN, WE'RE REDUCING THE IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THE SITE BY APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
SO WE, UH, PREPARED HYDROLOGIC CALCULATIONS, WHICH DETAILED THE REDUCTION IN PEAK RATES OF RUNOFF, BUT ALSO, UH, RUNOFF VOLUMES, UH, UP TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
SO THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOUR BOARD.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE TREE REMOVAL AND, UH, YOU KNOW, STORM WATER IMPACTS AND OTHER IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TREE REMOVAL.
SO WE DID SUBMIT AN EYE TREE ANALYSIS.
WE WORKED WITH MATT AND AARON ON THAT.
UM, WE'RE REMOVING 10 REGULATED TREES, AND WE ARE REPLANTING 47 TREES ON SITE, UH, MUCH OF WHICH ARE KILOMETER EVERGREEN PLANTINGS, WHICH ARE REALLY GONNA AID THE SCREENING ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE USED THE EYE TREE SUITE OF SOFTWARE AND CALCULATED THE, UH, THE BENEFIT OF THOSE TREES AND TO ENSURE THAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WASN'T A NET NEGATIVE IMPACT WITH REGARD TO TREE REMOVAL.
UM, WITH THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, WE HAD ALREADY PROPOSED THE TAYLOR JUNIPER PLANTINGS ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE WHEN YOUR BOARD HAD LAST SEEN THE APPLICATION, BUT WE DID, UH, ADD A SIMTECH, UM, VINYL SOUND ATTENUATION FENCE TO THE, THE LENGTH OF THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE,
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UH, SOMETHING THAT WE DID WITH THE APPLICANT ON THEIR OTHER SITE IN BRIARCLIFF.AND IT, UM, IT ACTUALLY WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL IN TERMS OF, UH, JUST BLOCKING THE, UM, YOU KNOW, HELP SEPARATING THE TWO PROPERTIES AND BLOCKING THE SOUND FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
SO, UH, I KNOW ONE BOARD MEMBER HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE FENCE AND EXTENDING IT ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO.
WE SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT SO, UH, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, EXTEND THAT FURTHER ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE.
UH, IN ADDITION, UH, WE, WE PREPARED A SCHEDULE OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCES AND WAIVERS FOR THE PROPERTY.
UM, I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE, THE DIFFERENT VARIANCES THAT WERE REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT.
AND, UM, IT WAS ASKED THAT WE JUST SUMMARIZE IT IN A TABLE, WHICH WE'VE DONE.
UH, SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
AND THEN WE HAVE ON THE RIGHT COLUMN, UH, WE'RE NOTING WHETHER THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS A, UH, YOU KNOW, A NON-CONFORMITY IF, IF IT'S A DECREASE OR AN INCREASE OR IF IT'S A NEW VARIANCE.
SO, UM, ALL OF THE GREEN ROWS ARE, UH, VARIANCES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, BUT WE ARE DECREASING THE NON-CONFORMITY.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, A LOT OF THE, A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT BULK CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, THAT THE EXISTING SITE DOESN'T COMPLY WITH.
BUT WE FEEL, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE IMPROVING THAT SITUATION GREATLY.
SO, UH, AND WE HAVE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE CHART THE THREE WAIVERS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REQUESTING FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, INCLUDING THE, UH, FRONT LANDSCAPED BUFFER SIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AND ON THE NORTH SIDE AND SIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO, UH, THAT REALLY SUMMARIZES THE CHANGES.
AFTER WE APPEARED BEFORE YOU IN MARCH, WE ALSO APPEARED BEFORE THE CAC, UH, WE OBTAINED, UH, THEIR REFERRAL TO YOUR BOARD.
UH, AND IN ADDITION, WE ADDRESSED, UH, SOME BUILDING DEPARTMENT COMMENTS THAT THEY HAD WITH REGARD TO QUEUING SPACES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO, TO WALK THROUGH THAT WITH YOU.
UH, I, I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, UH, THE DUMPSTER AND HOW THE DUMPSTER WOULD BE ACCESSED.
COULD YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE CURRENT PLAN IS? SURE.
SO, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REFUSE WILL BE PICKED UP BY A PRIVATE CARTER.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAS THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE TIMING OF THAT IN THEIR CONTRACT.
SO GENERALLY, IN SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT, I BELIEVE, UM, IF THEY DO SERVE BREAKFAST, THEY'LL OPEN AT SEVEN 30, BUT THEY'RE NOT PLANNING TO SERVE BREAKFAST AT WHEN THEY OPEN.
UH, BUT THEY GENERALLY WILL STIPULATE THAT THE CARTER HAS TO BE THERE AROUND, YOU KNOW, SEVEN 30 ISH 7, 7 30 TO, UH, TO PICK UP THE TRASH BEFORE THE RESTAURANT'S OPEN.
SO, SO I GUESS THAT THAT MIGHT SOLVE HOW, HOW THE DUMPSTER IS EMPTIED MM-HMM
BUT, BUT HOW, AT, AT WHAT TIMES OF DAY WOULD EMPLOYEES PUT GARBAGE SURE.
INTO THE DUMPSTER? SURE, SURE, SURE.
SO WE SPOKE, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.
UM, WHAT ONE IDEA THAT WE HAD, AND ACTUALLY THE CAC BROUGHT IT UP TOO.
ONE IDEA THAT WE HAD WAS INCORPORATING LIKE A MAN DOOR ON ONE SIDE OF THE ENCLOSURE, WHICH WE COULD DO.
IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.
INCORPORATING LIKE JUST A, A SMALL MAN DOOR ON ONE SIDE OF THE ENCLOSURE SO THAT DURING THE DAY, THE, UH, EMPLOYEES COULD JUST OPEN THE SIDE OF THE ENCLOSURE AND JUST TAKE THE, THE BAGS OF TRASH IN THAT WAY.
IF THERE WERE TO BE A VEHICLE BLOCKING THE, SO, SO COULD YOU SHOW US, SHOW US WHERE THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE? YEAH, AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE PRELIMINARILY SPOKE ABOUT WITH THE APPLICANT.
UM, IT WOULD BE ON, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ENCLOSURE, WE'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SHIFT A PLANTING MAYBE, BUT JUST BE ON ONE SIDE OF THE ENCLOSURE AND IN, WHERE ARE THE EMPLOYEES WALKING OUT? SO THE, THE SERVICE DOOR TO THE KITCHEN IS HERE.
SO THAT'S AN EMPLOYEE'S ONLY DOOR? YES.
AND THEN THEY BRING THE GARBAGE OUT.
YEAH, I MEAN IF I, IF, IF YOU WERE TO PROPOSE THAT PROBABLY THAT THAT WHOLE LINE OF BUSHES WOULD'VE TO BE REMOVED, UH, OR THEY'D HAVE TO BECAUSE 'CAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO, YEAH.
I MEAN, ARE LIKE TWO CUSTOMERS PARK PARKED IN THE HANDICAP SPOTS, YOU, THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE TO NAVIGATE AROUND THE SPOT, OR YOU'D HAVE TO CLEAR SOME SORT OF SIDEWALK FOR THEM TO GET TO THE, TO THE SIDE DOOR, MAN DOOR.
I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE USED, YOU KNOW, NECESSARILY FOR EVERY, EVERY TIME.
SO THEN GARBAGE WOULD JUST BE IN THE RESTAURANT ALL DAY AND THEN ONLY, ONLY BROUGHT TO THE DUMPSTER.
WELL, I THINK TYPICALLY IT'S DONE AT CERTAIN TIMES.
I COULD GET MORE INFO INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
UM, BUT, BUT YEAH, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE USED ONLY IN THE EVENT IF THERE WAS A CAR BLOCKING THE DOOR RIGHT THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY BUILD A SIDEWALK FOR THAT.
I MEAN, USUALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS JUST CARRYING BAGS OUT IN, JUST BASED ON MY OBSERVATIONS AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH PERHAPS NO, I'M, I'M SORRY, BUT I'M, I'M STILL TRYING TO SEE WHERE, WHERE JUST CAN YOU SIT? I KNOW I'M, I'M STRUGGLING.
TECHNICAL, BECAUSE YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THERE WON'T BE
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SOMEONE IN THE HANDICAP SPOT THEN? WELL, I THINK THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT IT'S, THERE'S NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMEONE IN THE HANDICAP SPOT.AND IF THERE IS, THERE'LL BE A, YOU KNOW, A DOOR ON THE SIDE FOR SOMEONE TO, TO, UH, TO DO THAT.
WELL, I MEAN, THE STRIPED AREA IN BETWEEN MIGHT BE MORE ACCESSIBLE DURING THE DAY 'CAUSE SOMEBODY'S NOT GONNA BE PARKED THERE.
YEAH, JUST WALK US THROUGH, WALK US THROUGH.
SO DOWN TO YOUR RIGHT, THE LITTLE, YEAH.
RIGHT? WELL, IF YOU WANT, I CAN, UH, SHARE MY SCREEN.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE ENCLOSURE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT SIDE, YOU KNOW, THE SIDE.
WE COULD REALLY ACCESS IT ON EITHER SIDE, I GUESS.
UM, AND YEAH, AND TO, YOU KNOW, AMANDA'S POINT, THE, YOU KNOW, THE AISLE IN THE CENTER POTENTIALLY WOULDN'T BE BLOCKED DEPENDING ON, DEPENDING ON HOW THOSE DOORS OPEN.
UM, I WAS THINKING MORE OF A LID FROM THE TOP OR, OR ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS.
THIS, THIS BOX, I'M SORRY, THIS BOX HERE THAT I'M HIGHLIGHTING, THAT IS THE ENCLOSURE FOR THE DUMPSTERS.
RIGHT? SO THEIR PATH IS FROM THAT DOOR ON THE, THE TRIANGLE TOP.
AROUND, THROUGH THE STRIPED AREA BETWEEN THE TWO PARKING SPACES RIGHT.
BUT, BUT IF THERE'S A VEHICLE IN THE, IN THE RIGHT SPOT, THEN THE DOORS WOULDN'T BE OPEN.
SO IF THERE WAS A, A MAN DOOR, UH, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE MAN DOOR SOME, SOME WAY.
WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH THE, THE BUSHES ON, ON EITHER SIDE, THERE'D NEED TO BE SOME SORT OF PATH MM-HMM
UM, THAT, THAT ACUS THAT AN EMPLOYEE COULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE MAN DOOR.
IF THAT WAS THE OPTION WAY TO SHIFT THE DOOR, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TWO SWINGING DOORS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
OR JUST TWO? YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE.
I MEAN, THE ENCLOSURE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY WITH THE DESIGN.
SO IF THE DOOR NEEDED TO SHIFT TO ONE SIDE, THAT COULD BE LIKE A BARN THAT COULD WORK A BARN SIDE.
I MEAN, AS LONG AS THE, AS LONG AS THE REFUSE, REFUSE VEHICLE IS ABLE TO ACCESS BOTH DUMPSTERS, I DON'T SEE WHY THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
IF THERE WAS LIKE A BARN STYLE DOOR THAT THAT SLID ON THE TRACK.
THAT, THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA EITHER.
SO, UM, WE COULD TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT.
SO THAT DUMPSTER'S ON THE SIDE ADJOINING THE APARTMENT BUILDING.
SO HERE I'LL SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE SHIFTED, YOU KNOW, TO THE SOUTH A LITTLE BIT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND THE PARKING.
SO IF, IF YOU DON'T DO BREAKFAST MM-HMM
YOU WOULD, WOULD THE OWNER HAVE THE DUMPSTER PICK UP LATER THAN 6, 7 30 IN THE MORNING? SO IT'S, UM, DISTURBING PEOPLE.
I COULD ASK THEM THAT QUESTION.
I MEAN, THEY, I THINK THEY OPEN AT, I BELIEVE 11:00 AM FOR, FOR LIKE LUNCH SERVICE.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REASONABLE.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN IF YOU WERE LIVING ON THAT SIDE OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING FOR SURE.
AND SECONDLY, IS THERE ANY ALTERNATIVE TO SEVEN 30 TO, IN TERMS OF REMOVING, YOU KNOW, THE DUMPSTER PICKING IT UP, UH, YOU'RE, IT'S OPEN LATE, RIGHT? SO YEAH.
SO YOU CAN'T REALLY DO IT LATER IN THE DAY MM-HMM
BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE GETTING INTO NIGHTTIME, CORRECT.
I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S JUST THE ONE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN EASY SOLUTION TO THAT MM-HMM
IF YOU ENDED UP SERVING BREAKFAST.
AND, AND, AND REMIND, THIS MIGHT BE AN AMANDA QUESTION.
I, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED IT LAST TIME.
THIS WAS IN FRONT OF US ABOUT OPTIONS ABOUT POTENTIALLY CONDITIONING WHEN, WHEN THE RESTAURANT WOULD OPEN OR WHEN, WHEN GARBAGE WOULD BE PICKED UP, THAT WOULD IMPACT THE ABILITY TO DO BREAKFAST OR, OR NOT DO BREAKFAST.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE WE LANDED.
SO IT WAS NOT, NOT THE HOURS OF OPERATION, BUT, BUT WHEN GARBAGE PICKUP WOULD BE RIGHT.
NOT BEFORE A CERTAIN TIME PERHAPS.
AS PART OF SPECIAL PERMIT, YOU KNOW, REFUSE COLLECTION AND PEST MANAGEMENT.
BECAUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SUGGESTING RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT THIS, THIS SITE, UH, WON'T OFFER BREAKFAST, BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE APPROVAL COULD BE GRANTED AND THEN THE VERY NEXT DAY THEY COULD DECIDE, OH, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA DO BREAKFAST.
SO THE APPLICANT JUST TEXTED ME, UM, HE SAID, WE CAN DO ANYTIME BEFORE 10:00 AM AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE BREAKFAST.
THEY COULD BE FLEXIBLE WITH THAT.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE BREAKFAST SERVICE IS REALLY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY MAY IMPLEMENT IN THE FUTURE IF THE BRAND REQUIRES IT RIGHT NOW SURE.
AT THEIR OTHER LOCATIONS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PHASING OUT OF BREAKFAST, SO, OKAY.
SO IF WE WERE TO CONDITION GARBAGE PICKUP AT SAY 9:00 AM UH, AND, AND IF YOU WERE TO WANNA SEEK
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BREAKFAST IN THE FUTURE, THEN THEY WOULD'VE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US TO, TO, TO AMEND THE CONDITION, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.WHY? IF IF CONDITIONS CHANGE, IF IT RESULTED IN NEED TO DO IT PRIOR TO NINE, RIGHT? YEAH.
OP OPEN AFTER NINE FOR BREAKFAST.
BUT IF EVERYTHING REMAINED THE SAME, EVEN THOUGH THEIR HOURS AND THEY WERE SERVING BREAKFAST, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO COME BEFORE US, RIGHT? NO.
IF, IF, YOU KNOW, EVEN, I MEAN, EVEN IF THEY RUN BREAKFAST AND THEY FIND THEY CAN KEEP IT AT 9:00 AM YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT DID HAVE TO COME BACK.
WELL, I HAVE QUESTIONS
AND IT, IT'S REGARDING, AND I KNOW THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED A LOT, BUT IT'S REGARDING A CAR COMING IN AND DECIDING NOT TO STAY AND HOW THAT WORKS.
UM, SO THIS OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT HAVE THE ROOM FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW HOW SOME DRIVE THROUGHS HAVE THE SECOND LANE AND YOU CAN GO AROUND AND GO OUT.
HOW, HOW WOULD SOMEONE DO THAT? AND THEN WITH THE ONE DRIVEWAY ESPECIALLY, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY MIGHT, AND I'M NOT, I'M, WHEN YOU DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, PEOPLE ARE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE PILED UP ON ONE ANOTHER MM-HMM
BUT SHOULD THAT OCCUR, CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW THAT WOULD LOOK? YEAH, SO I GUESS GUESS TO ADDRESS YOUR FIRST COMMENT OR CONCERN, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON THE, THE VOLUME THAT WE'RE SEEING AND EVEN THE, THE, YOU KNOW, PARKING DEMAND AT OTHER LOCATIONS, UM, IF SOMEONE PULLS IN AND THEY DO DECIDE TO LEAVE IT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PARKING SPACES FOR THEM TO JUST TURN AROUND IF THEY NEEDED TO, UM, BEFORE THEY GET THERE.
AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, UM, I MEAN, I GUESS IF THEY REALLY HAD TO, THERE'S THE AISLE HERE AND THERE'S THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS AISLE AND THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO, IF THEY CHANGE THEIR MIND TO TURN AROUND MM-HMM
UM, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT OUR PEAK PARKING DEMAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS LIKE 10 VEHICLES THAT WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, EVEN AT THEIR BUSIEST TIMES.
UM, REGARDING YOUR SECOND QUESTION, AND I'M SORRY, MY, THAT WAS, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE DRIVE, THE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURATION.
RIGHT? SO WE ARE GOING FROM TWO CURB CUTS TO ONE MM-HMM
SO I THINK THE, THE TWO, THE, THE SINGLE CURB CUT CONSOLIDATES ACCESS AND SIMPLIFIES THE, THE SITE DESIGN.
IN A LOT OF WAYS, IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FULL TWO-WAY ACCESS DRIVE ALONG THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND REALLY MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE HAVE.
UM, IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE ROOM FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE WITH THE RECIRCULATION.
UM, I THINK THE ONLY OTHER POTENTIAL CONFIGURATION THAT THE DOT WOULD ACCEPT WOULD BE MAYBE LIKE JUST A ONE-WAY EXIT FOR THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE ONLY.
SO YOU'D HAVE THE TWO-WAY ENTRANCE, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A ONE-WAY EXIT.
UM, AGAIN, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT WOULD REDUCE OUR PARKING SPACES AND WE'D HAVE TO REVIEW IT.
WE'D HAVE TO REVIEW IT WITH DOT.
BUT IN GENERAL, WHEN IT, WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, CONFIGURATION AND, AND THAT INCORPORATING THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE ON THIS PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THE ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT AROUND THE WHOLE BUILDING DOESN'T REALLY LEND ITSELF TO, TO GOOD SITE DESIGN IN, IN THIS CASE.
AND, AND JUST TO CONFIRM IT'S A RIGHT ONLY, RIGHT.
JUST TO CONFIRM WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE.
SO, SO THE WHITE SHADOW, THAT'S THE EXISTING BUILDING, CORRECT.
SO THERE, THERE'S TWO DIRECTIONS OF TRAFFIC.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO TO YOUR POINT, SOMEONE COULD PULL INTO A SPOT IMMEDIATELY, PULL OUT IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, GET INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE REVERSE LANE OF TRAFFIC AND, AND LEAVE THE SITE MM-HMM
ON THAT SAME UPPER SIDE AND THAT SAME UPPER SECTION.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE, UH, PARKING, UH, THE WAY IS SHOWN AND THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK OR THE ENTRANCE TO THE, SO THE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PARKING AND THE SIDEWALK? UM, SO, SO WHEN YOU ARE PULLING OUT MM-HMM
SO IT'S WHAT, 24 FEET, 30 FEET? YES.
THERE'S, THERE'S A FULL 24 FOOT ACCESS AISLE THERE.
AND THE, UH, CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH THE SIGNAGE OR SIGNS A AND OR F SOMETHING THAT SAYS DO NOT ENTER, LIKE IF COMING AROUND OR THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH AND YOU WERE MAKING A LEFT, YOU COULD NOT COME IN THE SITE AND MAKE A LEFT INTO THE THREE SPOTS.
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THAT WE, UM, WE CHANGED AS A RESULT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING.WE WOULD NOT WANT THAT GOING TOO WAY.
IT WAS JUST, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT POTENTIAL CONFLICTS THAT PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO GO IN AND OUT.
AND, AND SO TO LESLIE'S POINT EARLIER, THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THOSE THREE SPOTS, UH, LABELED A IS BY GOING THROUGH THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE, OF THE Q.
AND THE IDEA IS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR MAYBE A CUSTOMER HAS LIKE A VERY LARGE ORDER OR, YOU KNOW, SUPER HUNGRY WANTS TO PARK.
THEY WANNA PULL OVER FOR WHATEVER REASON RIGHT AWAY.
UM, I MEAN, I, I'VE BEEN THERE, SO, AND, AND AARON, YES.
THOSE ARE, UH, DO NOT ENTER IN ONE WAY SIGNS.
SO THE SIGN WOULD BE AT THE, UH, AS, BUT THEN THE ENTRANCE ISLAND IS THAT LITTLE ISLAND, RIGHT? YES.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT? YEAH.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU POINT IT TO, SO WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE MM-HMM
AND THEN THERE'S A ONE-WAY SIGN THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING HERE.
BUT THAT SIGN SAYS, DO NOT ENTER, UH, I THINK F SAYS DO NOT ENTER
F IS DO NOT ENTER, FACING ENTER.
SO SOMEBODY'S WANTS TO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING MM-HMM
IS THAT IT'S GOING TO BIG ORDER, HE IS GOING TO WAIT.
SO HE HAS TO GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND THEN PARK THERE? NO, THE IDEA IS IF SOMEONE'S IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE AND THEY ORDER AT THE MENU, AND IT'S A VERY LARGE ORDER, BUT, AND THEY DON'T WANNA HOLD UP THE CUSTOMERS BEHIND THAT PERSON, THEY WOULD DIRECT THEM TO PARK IN ONE OF THOSE THREE SPACES.
BUT SAY, AND OR OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE EMPTY.
RIGHT? OR YEAH, AN EMPLOYEE OR EMPLOYEE OR EMPLOYEE PARKING, SOMEBODY WANTS TO PULL IN AND EAT.
OR SOMEONE REALIZE THEY DIDN'T ASK FOR KETCHUP.
DOES, UH, IF YOU'RE PUTTING KETCHUP ON A TACO, I HAVE A, SORRY, I'M, I HAVE A, I HAVE, I HAVE BIGGER QUESTIONS.
THIS IS, I WAS GONNA JUMP IN IF YOU DIDN'T.
SOUR YOU MEANT, YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY FORGOT THEIR FIRE SAUCE.
UM, DID FIRE SAUCE, SORRY, TACO BELL.
DOES TACO BELL HAVE A, A PICKUP OPTION THROUGH AN APP? IS THAT, YEAH, THEY HAVE AN OPTION THAT'S LIKE SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER FAST FOOD WHERE YOU PULL UP TO THE SPEAKER, YOU TELL THEM YOUR ORDER OR CODE OR WHATEVER, AND THEN THEY, BUT IS THERE AN OPTION TO ORDER ON THE APP AND THEN LIKE, GO TO A, A, A PICKUP SPOT AND A CUSTOMER WOULD COME OUT TO YOU AND OR AN EMPLOYEE WOULD COME OUT TO YOU AND GIVE YOU YOUR ORDER SERVICE, CURB SERVICE? I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT I'LL CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT.
SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT MOST OF THE TIME THAT THREE, THREE SPACES WOULD BE BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE? UH, WOULD THREE SPACES WOULD BE JUST, UH, EMPTY OR, OR DO YOU HAVE SOME USE? SO, UH, I'M SORRY.
RAAV PATEL, THE APPLICANT IS ACTUALLY ON THE ZOOM.
SO RAAV, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT, BUT THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, WILL THOSE THREE SPACES BE UTILIZED? UM, UH, SURE.
HI, THIS IS RAGGA PATEL REPRESENTING KAI RESTAURANT GROUP.
UH, HOPE EVERYONE'S DOING WELL.
UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, UH, THEY WILL BE UTILIZED, UH, FOR WHAT YOU SAID.
IF SOMEBODY HAS A LARGE ORDER AND WE DON'T WANNA BACK UP THE LINE.
UM, BUT TYPICALLY WON'T, WON'T BE USED, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE, UH, IT'S MORE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE SPARE SPACES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T EVEN THINK THE EMPLOYEES WILL, WILL NEED THE EMPLOYEES TO PARK THERE BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE AMPLE PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND, AND I GUESS WHILE YOU'RE HERE, DOES, DOES TACO BELL HAVE CURB SERVICE FOR, FOR TAKEOUT ORDERS? UH, AS OF NOW, WE DO NOT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK THE LIGHTING AROUND THE BUILDING, WHAT'S, HOW, HOW ARE YOU GONNA LIGHT THE, IS THERE IS A LIGHTED DOWN? YES.
SO, AND IN THE PARKING LOT, SO YEAH.
I BELIEVE IF I HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN.
UH, SO HERE'S THE, THE LATEST PHOTOMETRIC LIGHTING PLAN THAT WE PREPARED.
I JUST WANNA ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR YOU.
AND IS THERE ANY STREET SIGNAGE OR NO, THERE WILL BE A, UM, LIKE A PYLON SIGN THAT WE'LL BE PROPOSING.
UH, SO THE LIGHTING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ALONG, UH, POLE MOUNTED FIXTURES ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE,
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UM, THAT'S COMING AROUND HERE.AND THEN THERE ARE TWO BUILDING MOUNTED FIXTURES ABOVE THE, UH, TWO DOORS THAT'LL LIGHT THE PARKING LOT.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE CALCULATIONS DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH TOWN CODE AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE PERIMETER FIXTURES WILL BE FULL CUTOFF SHIELDED, UM, DARK SKY COMPLIANT, ALL, YOU KNOW, MODERN FIXTURES.
I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH WHERE THE, UH, THE NEIGHBOR, THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO THEY WOULD BE LIKE, WHAT, 10 FEET HIGH? UH, I BELIEVE CODE IS 14 FEET.
AND THEY'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, EACH FIXTURE WILL HAVE A FULL HOUSE SIDE SHIELD, SO A FULL BACK SHIELD BEHIND THE, THE OPTIC TO, TO SHIELD THAT, UH, TOWARD THE NEIGHBORING SIDE.
AND, AND I ASSUME THERE'LL BE LED? YES.
AND, AND THERE IS A, UH, THERE IS A TRIANGULAR IN THE FRONT ON THE SIDE OF IT.
SO THAT'S AN ENTRANCE TOO? UH, NO, THAT, THAT'S JUST ANOTHER BUILDING MOUNTED FIXTURE, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING THERE.
BUT THERE IS A DOOR? NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DOOR ON THIS.
YOU ZOOM IN ON THE OTHER ICONS.
KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT I, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
SO THE ONE TO THE RIGHT DOESN'T HAVE THE DOOR ICON.
SO THESE TRIANGLES ARE FIXTURES, AND THEN THERE'S DOORS THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE BENEATH THEM.
THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING FACING CENTRAL AVENUE, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE FRONT OF THE STORE.
THERE'S NO DOORS THERE AND, AND, BUT IT'S JUST A PREFAB THINGS YOU WILL BRING, OR IT'S CALLED BUILD IT THERE.
IS THE, IS THE RESTAURANT GOING TO BE SOME SORT OF A PREFAB THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COME AND BRING, OR IT GONNA BE A REGULAR CONSTRUCTION? UM, I CAN SHOW YOU.
DO YOU WANNA SEE LIKE AN ELEVATION? YEAH.
AND THE PLANT, IF YOU HAVE IT.
SO JUST SO I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU SAID IT'S A PREFAB OR STICK BUILD? NO, I'M JUST ASKING.
SO HERE'S THE, THIS IS THE, UM, THE FRONT FACADE THAT'LL FACE CENTRAL AVENUE HERE.
AND WILL THERE, WILL THERE BE ANY SIGN VARIANCES NEEDED? UM, WE, WE WILL GET YOU AN ANSWER ON THAT.
WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH ALL THOSE CALCULATIONS YET IN THE FULL DESIGN OF THE SIGN.
GOT, BUT WE CAN, UH, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
AND JUST, UM, KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT, UH, DYLAN HAD BEEN TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WITH LIKE, THE ORDERING THROUGH THE APP, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH APPS LIKE DOORDASH OR GRUBHUB, UM, IS THERE, AND I PLAN TO HAVE LIKE DESIGNATED COURIER PARKING OR YEAH, JUST HAVE THEM PARK WHEREVER.
UM, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE JUST, OR UBER EATS OR DOORDASH OR ALL THAT STUFF? YEAH, THEY'LL JUST PARK THROUGHOUT THE LOT.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DEDICATED SPACES FOR, FOR, UH, THOSE KIND OF, UM, PICKUP SERVICES AT THIS TIME.
OR DO YOU FORESEE IT? 'CAUSE I NOTICED THAT A, ALL THE RESTAURANTS THAT DIDN'T HAVE IT MM-HMM
UM, AND JUST BEING MINDFUL, UH, RAAV, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN ON THAT.
I, THAT PEOPLE JUST LIKE, SURE.
WE HAVE NO, NO INTENTION OF, OF DOING THAT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT TACO BOOK DOES.
HAVE YOU SUBMITTED, UM, RENDERINGS OF THE SIGNS OR ANY OF THE DETAILS ON THE SIGNS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? NO, NOT YET.
AND ONE LAST, WELL, FOR ME, ONE LAST QUESTION COMING OUT, IT'S RIGHT ONLY IS THERE A, UM, IS THERE CURRENTLY A SIGN THAT SAYS THAT, OR, UM, JUST HAS THAT BEEN CONFIRMED? THE PLAN IS FOR IT TO BE RIGHT.
SO THE, THE PROPOSAL AT THIS TIME IS A FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY.
WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LENGTHY REVIEW WITH THE DOT.
UM, IT'S LIKELY THAT THE DOT MAY ASK FOR A RESTRICTION OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
WE HAVEN'T, WE SUBMITTED OUR STAGE ONE REVIEW WITH DOT.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK ANY FEEDBACK YET.
UM, BUT WE'LL CERTAINLY KEEP EVERYBODY UPDATED AS WE CONTINUE THAT REVIEW.
AND STAFF'S BEEN ATTEMPTING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE DOT, BUT WE HAVE NOT
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YET HEARD BACK AS WELL.SO ONCE WE DO, WE'LL REPORT THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, SO YOUR REQUEST IS THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT AND A RIGHT OUT COMING OUT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO GO ACROSS CENTRAL AVENUE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO WE DO HAVE JOHN CANNING HERE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO, I MEAN, ONCE WE ARE FINISHED WITH THE QUESTIONS, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS.
I HAD A, DO ANY OF YOUR OTHER RESTAURANTS, UH, HAVE SOLAR PANELS? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
RAGO, THERE'S NO, NONE OF YOUR RESTAURANTS WITH SOLAR? NO, WE DO NOT.
AND IS IT SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER FOR A NEW, NEW RESTAURANT LIKE THIS? I MEAN, I ASSUME YOU'RE A PRETTY HEAVY ELECTRIC USER.
UH, WELL BETWEEN LIGHTING AND, AND JUST THE KITCHEN, THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT THE FOOTPRINT OF THEIR ROOF.
AND THE, DO YOU, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE, UM, MECHANICS MECHANICAL ON THE ROOF ALSO? YES.
UM, THE FOOTPRINT'S ABOUT 1700 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AV I KNOW I'M SPEAKING FOR YOU, BUT YOU CAN CHIME IN.
I THINK IT, UM, YOU KNOW, COMPLICATES THE STRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING A LITTLE BIT AND THE MECHANICAL UNITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THESE TYPES OF SMALLER BUILDINGS DON'T LEND THEMSELVES REALLY TO SOLAR GENERALLY.
WHAT OTHER, WHAT OTHER, UH, SUSTAINABLE, UH, MEASURES THAT YOU ARE INCORPORATING INTO IT SINCE YOU'RE DOING COMPLETELY
HAS THAT, UH, YEAH, SO JUST LOOK AT IT.
DESIGN PROFESSIONALS TO INCORPORATE INCLUDING PERMEABLE PAVER.
AND, UH, ALTHOUGH I DON'T THINK IT'S COME UP, BUT CONSIDERATION FOR A BIKE RACK.
UM, SOMETIMES WITH THE E-BIKES AND WHATNOT, THEY DO DELIVERIES.
THERE ARE A LOT OF APARTMENTS NEARBY.
YOU CAN USE ONE OF THE THREE KIND OF SPACES AS A, UH, BIKE RACK.
I THINK THAT'S EXCELLENT IDEA.
I, I, I DON'T, I THINK THEY NEED, WELL THEN I WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR USE OF THE PARKING SPACE.
WELL, THE WAY IT IS SET UP, THEY DON'T HAVE A, THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE TO THE VARIANCE.
I THINK WE CAN FIND SOME ROOM IN THE FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT RIGHT.
DOES A BIKE INSTALLING A BIKE RACK REQUIRE A VARIANCE? NO.
BUT IF YOU'RE PUTTING IT WHERE WOULD NO, NO, NO.
IF YOU, IF THEY FOUND A LITTLE SPOT FOR IT, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO NO.
IF YOU PUT IT SOMEWHERE ON THE SITE THAT'S NOT IN A PARKING SPACE, THEN YOU'RE NOT MODIFYING THE REQUESTED.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OR NO.
I DON'T, IT WOULD JUST BE SUBJECT, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BUILDING DEPARTMENT REVIEW, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN WHERE A VARIANCE IS REQUIRED FOR THE BIKE RIDE.
UM, I'D, I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM JOHN CANNING, BUT I DID HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION.
SO THE, THE STREET SIGN MM-HMM
LIKE WHERE, WHERE WILL THE STREET SIGN BE? OR IS THAT, IS THAT DEPICTED SOMEWHERE ON THE PLANS? NO, WE, WE HAVEN'T PICKED AN EXACT SPOT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PYLON SIGN YET.
UM, IF I HAD TO GUESS, IT WOULD MAYBE GO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON THE, THIS NORTH SIDE HERE OR THE OTHER, THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER EITHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
YEAH, I, I'D ENCOURAGE TO SPEAK TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND HAVE THOSE SIGNS REVIEWED SOONER THAN, THAN LATER.
ARE WE, UH, TO JUST ONE LAST THING, UH, TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT, UM, RECENTLY WE, UH, CHICK-FIL-A, THEY GOT, THEY WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR A LOT OF VARIANCES.
THEY GOT APPROVAL WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, AND THEN THEY HAD TO GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR ASSIGNED VARIANCE.
AND THAT HAS ADDED, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE TIME TO THEIR, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS.
UH, SO WE DO RECOMMEND GETTING IN, YOU KNOW, YOUR SIGNED DESIGN TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF ANY VARIANCES ARE NEEDED FOR THE ASSIGNED DESIGN YOU WANT.
SO YOU CAN TRY AND DO EVERYTHING AT ONCE RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD AFTER THE PLANNING BOARD.
MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS ON STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER DOING THAT WOULD IMPROVE? IT'S SLIGHTLY IMPROVED OVER WHAT THE EXISTING IS MM-HMM
BUT IT, I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR, YOU KNOW, FOUR CORNERS, YOU KNOW, HAS FLOODING ISSUES.
AND SO ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO FURTHER MITIGATE, UH, YOU KNOW, RUNOFF WOULD SURE BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD REALLY BE IN FAVOR OF.
SO DID, ARE YOU INCORPORATING A 50 YEAR STORM OR GREATER, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THERE CURRENTLY IS NO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ON THE SITE.
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WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR ANALYSIS, WE LOOKED UP TO THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, WHICH IS ABOUT A NINE INCH RAINFALL OVER 24 HOURS.UM, IN THAT A HUNDRED YEAR STORM, WE'RE REDUCING THE, THE VOLUME OF RUNOFF BY ABOUT 300 CUBIC FEET, WHICH EQUATES TO, I THINK IT'S LIKE 2000 GALLONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN VOLUME LEAVING THE SITE, WHICH IS AN IMPROVEMENT JUST BY WAY OF IMPERVIOUS AREAS.
UM, WE CAN COORDINATE WITH, WITH, UH, MR. PATEL, CERTAINLY, AND TALK ABOUT MAYBE OTHER FEATURES LIKE MAYBE PERMEABLE PAVERS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
SO, UM, A RAIN GARDEN POTENTIALLY.
THERE'S NO ROOM FOR RAIN GARDEN THOUGH.
WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU COULD, UH, SURE.
BECAUSE IT'S MOSTLY ALL PARKING GOOD.
UM, ARE WE READY FOR MR. CANNING? OF COURSE.
UH, IT'S NICE TO SEE SOME NEW FACES.
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, JOHN CANNING WITH KIMBERLY HORNE, AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN REVIEWING THE PROCESS, UH, WITH TOWN STAFF SINCE IT WAS SUBMITTED.
I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO YOUR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
UM, I DON'T PARTICULARLY FORESEE ANY PROBLEMS. I THINK THEIR BIGGEST CHALLENGE, AND I THINK YOU'VE NAILED IT, UM, IS MAKING SURE THE GARBAGE OCCURS WHEN THE STORE IS NOT OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
RIGHT? THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM IN THERE, BUT THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM TO TURN A GARBAGE TRUCK AROUND IF THERE'S NO CARS PARKED.
AND YOU, EVEN IF THERE WAS ROOM WHEN THE STORE WAS OPEN, YOU DON'T WANT A GARBAGE TRUCK DOING IT WHEN THERE'S PEDESTRIANS WALKING IN THE, IN THE PARKING AREA.
UM, WE HAVE REQUIRED THE APPLICANT TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, THEY LOOKED AT FOUR STORES THAT WERE SIMILAR, AND THEN THEY WERE REQUESTED TO LOOK AT A FIFTH, WHICH WAS ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
THEY DID THAT, UH, BASED ON A REVIEW OF THAT, THEY DETERMINED THAT THE MAXIMUM QUEUE IN THE DRIVE THROUGH OF ALL FIVE FACILITIES THAT THEY LOOKED AT WAS EIGHT.
AND THIS STORE IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.
UH, IT HAS COMPARABLE TRAFFIC VOLUMES, SO A MAXIMUM QUEUE OF EIGHT IS, IS GOOD.
UH, SOME OF 'EM WERE FOUR, SO YOU HAVE THAT HERE, UH, 4, 8, 4, 5, AND I THINK IT WAS MAYBE SIX IN THE, UH, YONKERS.
SO EIGHT WAS THE MAXIMUM PARKING.
THEY HAD A MAXIMUM OF 15 FOR A STORE THAT SHARED THE PARKING LOT WITH ANOTHER STORE.
SO WE KIND OF DISCOUNTED THAT.
IT WAS ACTUALLY 7, 12, 8, AND 10 I THINK.
SO THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING.
UM, THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE FIVE EMPLOYEES, SO NOT A LOT OF EMPLOYEE PARKING.
THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE 16 INDOOR DINING SEATS.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY.
THEY'RE GOING TO ADD ABOUT 40 VEHICLES, UH, TO AREA TRAFFIC VOLUMES IN THE PEAK HOURS BECAUSE SOME OF THE CUSTOMERS THAT COME THERE, BASICALLY THEY'RE ALREADY PASSING.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GONNA GO STOP AT TACO BELL ON MY WAY HOME.
SO THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE ROAD.
SO IT'LL BE ABOUT 40 NEW TRIPS AT THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'LL BE ABOUT 46 TRIPS IN THE P CAR COMING IN AND THEN GOING OUT.
AND OF THOSE, ABOUT 33 IN THE PR WILL GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO THAT GIVES YOU AN INDICATION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, EIGHT Q EIGHT VEHICLES QUEUED OUT OF 33.
SO THEY KIND OF, THEY MATCH, RIGHT.
IF IT WAS 133 AND IT WAS EIGHT, I'D BE WONDERING WHAT, WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT.
AND 46 VEHICLES AN HOUR IS, YOU KNOW, AN AVERAGE OF JUST UNDER ONE A MINUTE.
SO SOMETIMES IT'S MORE THAN ONE A MINUTE, SOMETIMES IT'S LESS.
UH, BUT IT'S ON THAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE.
UH, SO WITH REGARD TO THE DRIVEWAY, WELL, WELL, THEY, THEY ALSO STUDY SOME OFFSITE INTERSECTIONS, AND THE TRAFFIC THERE WILL HAVE A MINIMAL IMPACT.
THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON ANY MOVEMENT WILL BE LESS THAN FIVE SECONDS, AND MOST OF 'EM WILL BE LESS THAN A SECOND.
UH, AT THE DRIVEWAY, THEIR ANALYSIS INDICATED THAT IT WILL HAVE ADEQUATE CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE LEFT TURNS IN AND OUT RIGHT.
TURNS IN AND OUT THAT THE AVERAGE DELAY LEAVING THE SITE AT THE PEAK HOUR WOULD BE A LITTLE LESS THAN 30 SECONDS.
IT IS AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY, OBVIOUSLY, UH, HOWEVER, IT'S STILL A DOT DECISION.
DOT OWNS THE ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM DOT TO ACCESS YOUR PROPERTY AND FOLLOW THEIR STANDARDS.
AND THEY HAVE A REVIEW PROCESS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS STARTED.
UM, THERE ARE GOOD SIDELINES AT THE DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UH, IT DOES HAVE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
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THAT, UH, THOUGH IT'S NOT TERRIBLE.UM, DOT WILL CONSIDER ALL OF THESE FACTORS.
THEY'LL PROBABLY LOOK AT THE CRASH HISTORY, AND THEN ULTIMATELY THEY WILL MAKE A DECISION.
I WILL OFFER ONE SORT OF THOUGHT.
UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY SORT OF AN INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S REPLACING AN EXISTING USE.
AND YOU SAW IN THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT, UH, I THINK IT WAS, WAS PAUL BROUGHT IT UP, BUT MATT MAY HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY FRONTAGE, RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE ALMOST GOT FROM ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS PAVEMENT DRIVEWAYS WITH A TINY LITTLE PLANTER ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE.
SO FROM THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE, IT'S NOT VERY COMFORTABLE, RIGHT? YOU'RE BASICALLY WALKING ACROSS TWO LONG DRIVEWAYS.
UM, IN ADDITION, THE PRESENCE, THE PRESENT CONDITION HAS A SIGN THERE THAT SAYS, ENTER THAT YOU DON'T SEE UNTIL YOU'RE IN THE DRIVEWAY.
SO I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THAT PLACE WAS BUSY.
PEOPLE WERE DRIVING IN AND OUT OF BOTH DRIVEWAYS, UH, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF JUST A WIDE OPEN PARKING LOT.
SO FROM A, THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE STREET FRONTAGE, IT TIGHTENS IT ALL UP.
IT MAKES IT BETTER FOR PEDESTRIANS, UH, AND IT CONCENTRATES THE ENTERING AND EXITING VEHICLES OUT OF ONE LOCATION SO THAT THE MOTORIST ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WATCHING BOTH DRIVEWAYS AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF MY REVIEW.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS HERE AND WE'RE STILL ASKING QUESTIONS AND I'M, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND, AND WORK WITH YOU AND STAFF TO SEE IF WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG.
I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE ONE THAT'S, UH, UH, LEASE AS A BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS POINTED OUT ON THE SKETCH FOR SAYING THAT THIS EIGHT, EIGHT VEHICLES WOULD BE A KIND OF A COMPLICATED, UH, UH, PARK CAR TO GET OUT.
SO MY QUESTION IS THAT IF YOU DO ONLY SEVEN, WOULD THAT BE A, A MAJOR PROBLEM? UH, SO NO, AND I THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO DO WHEN WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS PREVIOUSLY IS THEY WOULD DESIGNATE THAT SPACE, THE LAST SPACE THAT MIGHT BLOCK THE EIGHTH VEHICLE AS EMPLOYEE PARKING.
AND THE EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA BE THERE BEFORE THE PEAK OF THE QUEUE, AND THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE AFTER THE PEAK OF THE QUEUE.
SO THEY WON'T BE TRYING TO PARK OR UN PARK WHEN YOU HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO HIDING.
ALL OF THE DATA INDICATES THAT IT WILL WORK, BUT WE HAVE ASKED THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT IT TO WORK, WE BELIEVE IT WILL WORK, BUT IF IT, IF YOU GET MORE THAN EIGHT PEOPLE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? AND THEY'VE SAID THEY WILL SEND PEOPLE OUT WITH TABLETS TO EXPEDITE THE ORDER.
SO YOU, YOU CAN, SOMEBODY CAN DRIVE IN AND I CAN TAKE YOUR ORDER BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ORDER BOARD.
AND PEOPLE WITH LARGE ORDERS, THEY WILL DIRECT THEM TO PARK RATHER THAN GET INTO THE DRIVE THROUGH, BECAUSE IT'S MUCH EASIER TO GIVE SOMEBODY A LARGE ORDER IN THE STORE WITH TWO HANDS AND HAVE THEM WALK OUT AND JUST PUT IT IN THEIR CAR THAN IT IS TO HAND OUT ONE BIKE AFTER THE OTHER THROUGH A WINDOW.
SO THERE'S KIND OF A BELT AND SUSPENDERS PLAN PROPOSED.
IT'S DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEAK DEMAND BASED ON THE DATA.
BUT EVEN IF THERE ARE DAYS OR THERE IS A DAY THAT IT'S NOT, THEY HAVE A PLAN TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES CONFINED TO THE SITE.
SO IT, IT WOULD NOT COMPLETELY, IF THERE IS A EIGHT SPACES NOT THERE, IT WOULD NOT REALLY CREATE A MID OR IT'S, IT'S ONLY THE KIND OF, UH, WORST CASE SCENARIO.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M, OKAY, GOOD.
I DO WANNA GO BACK TO THE RIGHT OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
RIGHT AND LEFT OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND MAYBE I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS THE, AND I'VE SEEN IT ON CENTRAL AVENUE, SOME PLACES HAVE BROKEN LINES TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN CROSS OVER AND SOME PEOPLE DO ANYWAY.
BUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE RULE? I, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, NOT, THIS IS A DOT THING.
BUT WHAT'S THE RULE? SO THE, THE RULE IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE, YOU CAN CROSS OVER IT MAKING A LEFT TURN IN OR OUT AS, AS LONG AS YOU'RE LEAVING THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A LONG STATE ROAD AND YOU'VE GOT DRIVEWAYS EVERY 20 FEET, UM, BUT CARS ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE A LEFT TURN, THEN YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A BROKEN W YELLOW LINE EVERY 20 FEET.
SO THEY REALLY ONLY BREAK THE W YELLOW LINES AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS.
SO YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CROSS OVER THE W YELLOW LINE.
THE SECOND PART, WHICH IS NOT AS CLEAR, IS IF YOU HAVE A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE, THAT TWO DOUBLE YELLOW LINES WITH A PAINTED MEDIUM THAT'S HATCHED.
SO BASED ON MY READING OF THE OF CASE LAW, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CROSS OVER THAT AS LONG AS YOU DO SO IN A SAFE MANNER.
UH, SO WHAT'S A, WHAT'S A SAFE MANNER IF THERE'S NOBODY THERE? PRESUMABLY IT'S SAFE IF THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE AND YOU SORT OF DO IT, PRESUMABLY IT'S NOT SAFE.
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THAT'S MY CASE.READING OF THE LAW, WHETHER THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO ENFORCE THE LAW KNOW THAT OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
I SUSPECT THAT MOST PEOPLE, INCLUDING POLICE OFFICERS PROBABLY PRESUME, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO CROSS THAT.
IT'S ALL PAINTED, PAINTED OVER.
I DON'T THINK, I THINK HERE IT'S JUST A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE THOUGH, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT'S A DOUBLE, IT'S IT'S JUST A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE.
DOUBLE YELLOW LINE, RIGHT? OR YEAH, A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE.
AND I GUESS MY CON AND I, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY SHOULD LAY IT UP AGAINST WHAT WAS ISSUED FOR FOUR CORNERS WAS, YOU KNOW, THE CROSSING OVER MAKING THAT LEFT GOING NORTH BECAUSE THE NEXT TRAFFIC LIGHT IS AT FOUR CORNERS.
AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT, IT'S NOW BY THE CHURCH, I GUESS IT'S CEMETERY.
THE PEOPLE SIGNAL FEET, THE HOG SIGNAL.
WHICH THAT'S NEW RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, SO I WILL, I WILL OFFER THIS TWO THOUGHTS.
UM, AND I'VE SEEN THIS ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
TYPICALLY ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, YOU TEND TO GET LEFT OUT PROHIBITED WHEN YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT'S NEAR A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, BECAUSE WHEN THE LIGHT IS RED, THE CAR'S ALL QUEUE UP DOWN THE ROAD MM-HMM
AND THEN THERE'S CARS IN FRONT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE TRYING TO WEED THROUGH CARS TO GET OUT.
THAT'S REALLY NOT THE CASE HERE.
UH, CERTAINLY FOUR CORNERS IS CLOSE, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT THAT CLOSE.
THEN THE SECOND, THE SECOND ASPECT IS THE HAWK SIGNAL.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, BUT MY EXPECTATION IS THAT THAT WILL NOT GET PRESSED ANYWHERE NEAR AS MUCH AS YOU WOULD GET A RED LIGHT AT THE FOUR CORNERS.
BECAUSE AT THE FOUR CORNERS YOU'VE GOT HUNDREDS OF VEHICLES AN HOUR WHO WANT TO CROSS OR ENTER CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
YOU'LL PROBABLY GET 10 OR 15 PEDESTRIANS THAT'LL CROSS AN HOUR, AND PROBABLY MOST OF THEM WILL USE THE, THE HAWK SIGNAL IS, IS, IS THIS SITE ANY FURTHER FROM FOUR CORNERS THAN THE TACO BELL OR SO THAN THE STARBUCKS ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT HAS A A LEFT PROHIBITED? UM, YOU MEAN BEHIND IHOP? YEAH, A COUPLE OF STORES.
IT'S, I THINK THIS IS FURTHER, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DISTANCE BETWEEN THEMSELVES IN FOUR CORNERS.
SO THIS IS FURTHER, CENTRAL AVENUE IS A LITTLE BIT OFTEN CONGESTED.
WHEN MY MEASURING EYES, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO MAKE A LEFT TURN IF THAT'S ALLOWED.
WITH, YOU KNOW, EITHER BACKED UP WITH TRAFFIC THAT'S THERE AND THEY HAVEN'T LET THE PERSON THROUGH.
THAT'S GOING BACK UP THE CUES IN THE PROPERTY.
'CAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EVERYONE'S BACKED UP WAITING TO MAKE A LEFT TURN.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IIII NEVER THOUGHT THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, DOING, I, I JUST ASSUMED IT WAS GONNA BE RIGHT ONLY COMING OUT OF THERE BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A MESS, YOU KNOW, AT BUSY TIMES WHEN CENTRAL AVENUE IS REALLY BACKED UP.
YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THERE, THEY'RE GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT.
SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO MAKE A LEFT TURN.
UM, THE ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT YOU'LL HAVE 46 PEOPLE GOING OUT IN AN HOUR, AND THE ANALYSIS INDICATES THAT THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME WILL BE 30 SECONDS.
SO IF THE AVERAGE WAIT, AND BY THE WAY, THAT INCLUDES GETTING BEHIND SOMEBODY, THEN HAVING THEM GO, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GET TO THE FRONT AND THEN YOU GO.
SO IT SUGGESTS, AND, AND THE TRAFFIC, I, I DON'T HAVE THE, THE DETAIL PRINTOUTS FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT I CAN LOOK AT THEM.
MY EXPECTATION IS THAT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF VEHICLES QUEUED AT THE DRIVEWAY IS PROBABLY GONNA BE TWO.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT GOING TO INTERFERE WITH, UH, THE DRIVE THROUGH BECAUSE THERE'S SUFFICIENT DISTANCE BETWEEN THE EXIT FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THE STOP LINE AT THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT I WILL, I'LL HAVE A LOOK AT THAT.
SO I, I THINK, UH, JUST, UH, MOST OF THE, UH, AND I THINK IT'S ANALYSIS PROVES THAT, BUT IT'S USUALLY NOT A MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THE MAKING LEFT TURN IN OR OUT CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS A THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC.
UH, SO THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO KIND OF GO.
SO THERE IS NOT MUCH WAIT TIME FOR, OR YOU'RE BLOCKING SOME OF THE TRAFFIC.
AND ALSO IT'S EXISTING THE SAME CONDITION.
SO UNLESS IT IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR CHANGE IN, UH, OCCUPANCY NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE GOES, YEAH, SO, RIGHT.
UM, BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THE DENSITY HAS CHANGED.
UM, THE TRAFFIC HAS CHANGED OVER YEARS.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, UM, YOU'LL LOOK AT THAT.
ALRIGHT, SO JUST TO SPECIFY, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE DATA FOR GOING LEFT
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AND THE IMPACT.SO I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS OF THIS DRIVEWAY IN THE FUTURE WITH TRAFFIC VOLUMES INCREASED TO REFLECT TRAFFIC GROWTH AND, UH, WITH THE PROJECTED TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE SITE, MAKING LEFT AND RIGHT TURNS.
AND THAT WILL TELL US THE AVERAGE DELAY, WHICH I'VE MENTIONED.
IT'LL TELL US THE AVERAGE, ACTUALLY, IT TELLS YOU THE 95TH PERCENTILE QUEUE.
SO BASICALLY IS, IS THIS SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO DECIDE NOW THOUGH? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE THE STATE MIGHT COME AND, AND MAKE THIS DECISION FOR US? IT, IT IS POSSIBLE.
IF YOU FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT, YOU COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE STATE.
IT'S, IT'S A DECISION THEY MADE DECIDE ULTIMATELY OF THEIR OWN VOLITION TO MAKE SURE.
AND SPEAKING TO THE STATE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'D BE IMPORTANT FOR THIS BOARD TO KNOW WHERE THE STATE'S AT BEFORE IT ULTIMATELY MAKES ITS DECISION.
I KNOW MR. DUMONT SAID THAT THERE WAS, UH, AN INITIAL OR PRELIMINARY SUBMISSION OR STAGE ONE SUBMISSION IF WE COULD HEAR FROM MR. DUMONT ON WHAT THE EXPECTED TIMEFRAME IS.
I MEAN, I INDICATED THAT OUR OFFICE HAS REACHED OUT TO OUR LOCAL DOT REPRESENTATIVE AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER LEVEL THAT AN APPLICANT TEAM CAN GO, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND GET A TIMELY RESPONSE.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO THIS BOARD AS IT MOVES FORWARD.
OBVIOUSLY THE PROJECT WILL MOVE OFF TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THEN COME BACK, BUT, SO AARON, I'LL, I'LL OFFER THIS THOUGHT ON THAT BECAUSE I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
IF I WAS ON A PLANNING BOARD, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE STATE WAS GOING TO DO WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
THE STATE HAS A THREE PART PROCESS, AND THE FIRST PART OF THE PROCESS IS SUPPOSED TO BE, AND THEY DON'T LIKE TO SAY THE WORD APPROVAL, BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL.
AND YOU LOOK AT THE BASICS, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WE ARE, OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW A LEFT TURN HERE.
THE SECOND PART OF THE PROCESS IS, OKAY, HOW DEEP IS THE PAVEMENT GONNA BE AND WHAT'S THE RADIUS ON THIS GONNA BE? AND THEN THE THIRD PART OF THE PROCESS IS SHOWS YOUR INSURANCE.
SO THE FIRST PART OF THE PROCESS, THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO, THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO GET DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER SO THEY CAN REPORT BACK, UH, TO THE VARIOUS BOARDS.
AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF ROADWAYS AND THERE ARE A LOT OF BOARDS.
THE STATE IS UNDERFUNDED AND THEIR STAFF ARE CHALLENGED.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO GET AN ANSWER FOR FROM THEM, BUT THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT SO THAT THESE BOARDS CAN MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON, ON, ON THE INPUT OF THE STATE PROFESSIONALS.
BUT I, I WILL SAY THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR PROJECTIONS.
UM, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK I HAVE A, I HAVE QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, WANTED TO ADD ONE STATEMENT ABOUT THAT.
SO WE DID MAKE OUR STAGE ONE SUBMISSION TO THE DOT.
UH, IT'S BEEN SOME TIME SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP.
WE MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO SET UP A MEETING, BUT JUST GIVEN THE OVERALL TIMING WITH THE PROJECT, NEEDING TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD IN JULY, AND THE TIME IT'LL TAKE TO COME BACK TO YOUR BOARD, I, I THINK BY THE TIME WE COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD, WE, WE WILL HAVE SOME INFORMATION FROM THE STATE.
SO I THINK THAT TIMING WILL WORK OUT.
SO MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE SIDEWALK MM-HMM
SO YOU ARE SHOWING THAT SIDEWALK GOING IN FRONT OF YOURS, UH, FRONT OF YOUR WHOLE, UH, PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE GRAPHIC SHOWS THAT IT IS A SAME MATERIAL OR IT'S JUST A SORT OF CROSSWALK.
AND THEN SIDEWALK, THE ONE THAT'S, UH, YOU HAVE SUBMITTED THE PLAN, RIGHT.
SO YEAH, THERE'S A SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AND THEN THERE'S A CONNECTION INTO THE PROPERTY WITH A CROSSWALK.
AND THERE'S A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT'S PROPOSED, BUT THERE'S A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THIS IS THE, HERE'S THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY.
THIS IS THE SIDEWALK THAT'S, I THINK THE QUESTION IS IF THAT'S GONNA BE A STRIPED CROSSWALK OR IF THAT'S JUST GONNA BE THE SIDEWALK MATERIAL JUST AT THE LEVEL OF THE DRIVE THROUGH PAVEMENT.
WE'RE PROPOSING JUST A SIDEWALK ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE THE CONCRETE SIDEWALK MATERIAL ACROSS THE FRONT? CORRECT.
AND THAT'S LIKE A-A-D-O-T, UM, STANDARD CONFIGURATION FOR A SIDEWALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT WE DESIGNED IT TO.
AND SO YOU, THERE IS NO, UH, CROSSWALK OR ANYTHING, DID IT? THERE'S NO CROSSWALK.
CAN I JUST, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE LEFT HAND TURN, DOES IT MM-HMM
IS IT SIGNIFICANT TO THE APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE THEIR LEFT TURN? UM,
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I THINK JUST IN GENERAL, IT'S, IT'S FAVORABLE FOR THE APPLICANT BECAUSE IT GIVES THE CUSTOMERS THE MOST FLEXIBILITY.YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A SITE WHERE SOMEONE'S COMING IN AND THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T TURN LEFT OUT, IT MIGHT AFFECT THEIR DECISION IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY STOP OR NOT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS JOHN INDICATED, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WE FEEL THE DRIVEWAYS HAVE ADEQUATE SIGHT DISTANCE.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE ACCIDENT HISTORY, IT WASN'T SIGNIFICANT.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT THE STATE WILL REVIEW.
SO, UM, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO ULTIMATELY SEE HOW THEY COME BACK AND HOW THEY, I THINK, I THINK SHORT ANSWER, YES.
AT THIS POINT, I THINK TO JOHN'S POINT, WE'RE GONNA KEEP LOOKING AT THE DATA AND I THINK THE EMPIRIC DATA, OBVIOUSLY NO ONE IS CRYSTAL, YOU WANNA YEAH, MATT, JUST TO THE MIC.
AT THIS POINT, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE DOT REVIEW PROCESS.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S CON CONCERNS AND WE WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE OBVIOUSLY A DATA-DRIVEN, UH, PROJECTION MODEL.
AND I GUESS TO PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT WERE RIGHT TURN ONLY AND SOMEONE WANTED TO GO NORTH ON CENTRAL AVENUE, LIKE WHERE, WHERE WOULD THEY TURN AROUND? SO I, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS.
UM, WE, WE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW FOUR CORNERS, THERE'S SOME PLANS FOR TRAFFIC ON CONTROL ON THAT.
SO I THINK BEFORE WE EVEN GET INTO, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING IT'S NOT DONE YET, RIGHT.
BUT WHAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO DO FOR THE TRAFFIC, UM, THAT KIND OF BUILDS UP RIGHT THERE.
LIKE IF I WAS TO LEAVE THAT SITE AND I HAD TO MAKE A RIGHT OUT, I POTENTIALLY GO UP TO WEST HARTSDALE, MAKE AT THE INTERSECTION, MAKE A RIGHT ON NORTH WASHINGTON, AND THEN MAKE A RIGHT ON NORTH WASHINGTON AND COME OUT AT THE LIGHT RIGHT NEAR THE TRADER JOE'S, YOU KNOW, NEAR TRADER JOE'S.
AND THERE'S A LIGHT UP THERE, HARVARD, THE INTERSECTION OF HARVARD.
BUT MY, MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD NOT, UH, LIKE TO DO THAT.
AND I, AND BAR KING RIGHT HERE IS LIKE, OH, I'M JUST SAYING IF I WAS
WHICH DOESN'T SOUND IDEAL, BUT MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT IT'S, I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM GOING.
SO I MEAN, WHAT WE DO WANT TO, UM, BE MINDFUL OF MAKING BUSINESSES SUCCESSFUL AS WELL AS SAFETY.
SO JUST BALANCING THE BOTH OF THEM UNDERSTOOD.
I'M JUST SAYING I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY IN CENTRAL AVENUE WHEN SOMEONE'S TRYING TO GET THROUGH.
AND OTHER PEOPLE IN TODAY'S WORLD, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU WAIT AND YOU START HAVING, YOU KNOW, CONFLICTS OR WORSE.
I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THAN, YOU KNOW, SEEING WHAT GOES ON WHEN I DRIVE AROUND THE TOWN.
UH, PARTICULARLY AT CENTRAL AVENUE, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THAN WHETHER THE QUEUE'S GONNA GET BACKED UP.
NOW, YOU KNOW, AND THE REASON I ASKED HOW IMPORTANT IT'S TO YOU IS I ASSUME ULTIMATELY IT'S GONNA GET DEFERRED TO THE STATE.
THE STATE DO T'S GONNA DO WHAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
WELL, UM, BUT AS JOHN CANNING SAID, WE DO HAVE AN OPTION TO SAY IF WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE WHILE IT IS A STATE ROAD, IT'S STILL WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG THAT WE SHOULD MAKE, THAT WE SHOULD EXPRESS THAT.
BUT I WOULD ONLY DO IT BASED UPON THE PROJECTIONS.
AND I WOULD ONLY ADD TO THAT, THAT THE TOWN HAS THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT, EVEN IF THE DOT PERMITTED SUBJECT TO THE DATA SUPPORTING YOUR DECISION TO RESTRICT, I DON'T ADD IT.
WE CAN ADD, IF WE FIND IT THAT IT'S JUST HAVING A LOT OF ACCIDENTS AND, AND OTHER ISSUES, TOM CAN ALWAYS GO BACK AND YEAH.
SO IN OTHER PROJECTS, THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, HAS ALLOWED SOMETHING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN FOR AN APPLICANT TO COME BACK, LET'S SAY X NUMBER OF MONTHS POST OPENING AND GATHER ADDITIONAL DATA, WHETHER IT BE ACCIDENT DATA OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND COME BACK TO THIS BOARD.
AND I THINK MR. CANNON COULD EVEN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
FOR, FOR AN EVALUATION TO SEE IF CONDITIONS CHANGE, WARRANT ANY SORT OF CHANGE.
WELL, WELL, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS REALISTIC OR REASONABLE OR FEASIBLE, BUT IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET A, A, A MAP OF CENTRAL AVENUE, SAY FROM FROM MARIAN TO TRADER JOE'S, THAT THAT INDICATES WHICH SITES PERMIT, YOU KNOW, A TWO-WAY, TWO-WAY EXIT.
AND WHICH SITES, UH, DO HAVE A LEFT TURN RESTRICTION.
BECAUSE I KNOW LIKE STARBUCKS HAS A LEFT TURN RESTRICTION.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, IS IS THERE A MEDIAN THERE THOUGH? NO, NO.
IT'S BEYOND THE, LIKE I KNOW STARBUCKS HAS A LEFT TURN RESTRICTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SITES, BUT IT'D BE
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INTERESTING TO KNOW WHAT THE, WHAT THE PRECEDENT HAS BEEN.SO THE APPLICANT'S NODDING THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT AARON MENTIONED, IT'S SIMILAR, BUT DIFFERENT.
UH, IT WAS, UH, THE LIGHTBRIDGE ACADEMY, PRESCHOOL DAYCARE.
AND THEY'RE ON CENTRAL AVENUE, FURTHER DOWN, I BELIEVE.
AND THEIR APPLICATION WAS ORIGINALLY FOR 150 STUDENTS.
AND THIS BOARD WAS REASONABLY CONCERNED FOR ALL THE SAME REASONS ABOUT LEFT TURNS AND ACCESS.
AND WHAT THEY SAID TO THE APPLICANT WAS, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU DO UP TO A HUNDRED STUDENTS, I THINK IT WAS, AND COME BACK AND SHOW US EVERYTHING IS WORKING AND IF EVERYTHING IS WORKING WE'LL ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE TO 150.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA TELL THE APPLICANT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE SO MANY CUSTOMERS ON A GIVEN DAY.
AND THE APPLICANT DID A STUDY, IT CAME BACK WHEN THEY HAD A HUNDRED STUDENTS AND DEMONSTRATED THAT THERE HAD BEEN NO INCREASE IN ACCIDENTS.
IN FACT, THERE'D BE NO ACCIDENTS AT ALL, I BELIEVE.
AND THAT, UH, DELAYS WERE ACTUALLY LESS THAN WAS PROJECTED.
SO NUMBER ONE, YOU COULD REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK AND DEMONSTRATE AFTER THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM.
AND IF THERE IS A PROBLEM, IT'S SAFETY RELATED TO WHAT WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT, THEN YOU COULD REQUIRE THEM TO INSTALL A LEFT TURN PROHIBITION.
BUT THE DATA TO DATE INDICATES THAT IT'S NOT REALLY AN ISSUE AS, AS LONG AS YOU'VE GOT A SUITABLE LOCATION, UH, A SUITABLE LOCATION TYPICALLY MEANS NOT CLOSE TO AN INTERSECTION SO THAT YOU'VE GOT CARS QUEUING UP IN FRONT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY, HAVING ADEQUATE SIGHT LINES.
I I, EVERY TIME I THINK OF A RESTAURANT ON CENTRAL AVENUE THAT IS POPULAR FOR WINGS, WHO SHALL REMAIN NAMELESS COMING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY, THEY HAVE A BIG HEDGE AND IT SCARES ME.
UM, AND THEN THE THIRD ONE IS THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC.
IF YOU'VE A SMALLBURG OF TRAFFIC, IT'S LESS OF AN ISSUE.
IF YOU WERE TO PUT A TRADER JOE'S THERE NOW I JUST NAMED, I GAVE THEM A FREE PROMO.
UM, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE, WE MAY BE IN THE RIGHT BALANCE HERE, BUT WE LOOK AT THE, THE METRICS AND GET BACK TO YOU.
WHEN YOU DO THAT, DO YOU LOOK AT CENTRAL AVENUE AT THE TRAFFIC ON CENTRAL AVENUE? YES.
AND AT DIFFERENT TIMES? WELL, WE LOOK AT THE PEAK TIME AND IF IT WORKS AT THE PEAK TIME, IT SHOULD WORK AT THE NOT PEAK TIMES.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANT IT, THEY CAN SHARE THE ANALYSIS.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND AND READ IT.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, UM, THANK YOU FOR MR. CANNING.
IS IS THE, FOR THE APPLICANT IS THE EXISTING ONE IS IN OPERATION OR THEY'RE CLOSED? HONEY HAND IS OPEN STILL.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE, THAT IS A, UH, NOT IT'S A SUBWAY STILL OPERATION.
THERE'S A SUBWAY THAT'S TO THE NORTH.
I WISH THEY WOULD'VE TAKEN IT COMBINED.
SO
TO CONSIDER A DECLARATION AS LEAD AGENCY, WHICH YES.
I WAS GONNA SAY, UH, WE WANTED TO DECLARE OURSELVES AS LEAD AGENCY.
SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A VOTE? YES.
JUST MAY MAY I, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
I'M NOT, 'CAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THAT
UM, CONSIDERING THAT IT'S SO MUCH OF A VARIANCE IS REQUIRED AND WE KIND GET BACK INTO REC REALLY, UH, WHICH IS MOSTLY A, UH, UH, KIND OF VARIANCE ISSUE.
'CAUSE IF THEY DON'T GET A VARIANCE, THE PROJECTS WILL NOT PROCEED.
SO, SO DO WE, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE REALLY? UH, I KNOW THAT SINCE THEY SAY THEY DON'T WANT TO BE, WE JUST TOOK THE BURDEN OF OURSELF.
BUT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO REALLY DO THAT AND TELL THEM THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.
WELL, AND I THINK THAT WILL BE COVERED IN THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY AT THAT TIME TO WEIGH IN AND INDICATE, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT APPEARS TO BE HINGING ON THESE VARIANCES AND IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THE ZONING BOARD TO REVIEW IN DETAIL.
AND THEY SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY OF IT RATHER THAN WAIT, I'M SORRY.
ARE YOU SAYING IT BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF VARIANCES OR THE TYPE OF VARIANCES? BECAUSE BOTH THE AMOUNT AND THE TYPE I, BECAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD REVIEW THE VARIANCES.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF VARIANCES, BUT THE APPLICANT WILL, AND THEY'LL SHOW THE TABLE AGAIN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THIS BOARD IS GONNA BE CONSIDERING A RECOMMENDATION
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AND THIS BOARD ASKED THEM TO PUT TOGETHER A TABLE AND THEN THEY WENT EVEN FURTHER TO SHOW WHICH ONES ARE A DECREASE OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS.BUT THIS ALSO REQUIRES LIKE SITE PLAN REVIEW.
UH, SO THIS DOES REQUIRE SITE PLAN.
IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THAT'S ALL WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
IT REQUIRES A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, A WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT PERMIT.
SO IT SEEMS PERFECTLY REASONABLE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO BE THE AGENCY.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE PLANNING BOARD SOUGHT TO BE LEAD AGENCY.
IT DOES HAVE A NUMBER OF APPROVALS.
HOW CRITICAL IS SOME OF THE VARIANCES THAT WOULD AFFECT THE SITE PLAN BEFORE WE JUMP AHEAD? WELL, I, THE ONLY REASON I, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A, A FULL VOTE ON DECLARING LEAD AGENCY.
SO I'VE GOTTA ANSWER THE QUESTION.
I MEANT TO, JUST WANTED A CLARIFICATION BEFORE.
SO WHEN YOU SAY CRITICAL, LIKE, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THE APPLICANT'S GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER.
IT'S CRITICAL, WHICH IS PART OF, IF YOU REMEMBER MY COLLEAGUE PARTNER DAVID STEIN'S INITIAL PRESENTATION, WE REALLY NEED TO GET TO THE ZBA TO JUST START HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL MISSION CRITICAL VARIANCES.
SO CAN WE CONSIDER THAT A STRAW POLL AND THEN GO THROUGH THE VARIANCES? WELL, WE CAN, BUT ONLY IF MR. DECIDES PREPARED TO VOTE ON WHETHER THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE, UH, CLEAR ITSELF.
SO I, I GUESS I HAVE A MORE CONCEPTUAL QUESTION.
LIKE IS WHAT WOULD BE AN INSTANCE WHERE A PROJECT IS IN FRONT OF BOTH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD, NOT BE THE LEAD AGENCY? SO ONE THAT WAS CONSIDERED WAS UNITED REFRIGERATION WHEN THE VARIANCE WAS FOR A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN HEIGHT AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES NEARBY.
THAT WAS ONE THAT COULD HAVE GONE TO THE ZONING BOARD.
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER, UM, USES WITHIN THE TOWN THAT REQUIRE, UH, CURRENTLY REQUIRE SPECIAL USE PERMITS THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD.
AND PERHAPS MAYBE THERE'S A MINOR WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT, A COUPLE TREES, BUT THE MAJOR PERMIT RESTS WITH THE, OR APPROVAL RESTS WITH THE ZONING BOARD.
BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF CASES THAT REQUIRE APPROVALS OF BOTH BOARDS, THE PLANNING BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY, I WOULD SAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE SITE, OVERALL SITE PLAN.
IF THERE'S A USE VARIANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT COULD BE THE ZONING BOARD BECAUSE IT'S A MORE SIGNIFICANT VARIANCE TYPE.
UM, ONE THING I NOTICED, AND THESE ARE ALL AREA VARIANCES? YES.
THESE ARE ALL DIMENS DIMENSIONAL AREA BULK REGULATIONS.
I MEAN, CONSIDERING THAT, UH, YOU ARE ASSURING THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE, AND AGAIN, LIKE LAST TIME WE HAD TO ISSUE, UH, THE VER I THINK, WHAT IS IT? THE, THE HOUSE IN, UH, SWELL AREA OR SOMETHING THAT, UH, THERE WAS A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM
WE DID THAT WITH A KIND OF LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.
AND SO NOT TO REPEAT THE SAME THING, WHICH IS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TO ME OR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT IT'S NOT REALLY ANY MAJOR VARIANCE THAT WILL IMPACT THE DESIGN OR THE SITE PLAN.
WHAT WAY? WELL, I MEAN I WOULD, I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT STAGE YET.
WELL, WE ARE ACCEPTING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF LEAD AGENCY.
WHICH IS CHARGED WITH CONDUCTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE SEEKER PROCESS IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED, UM, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESULT IN AN ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
AND THE APPLICANTS WALKED US THROUGH SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THEY'RE DOING.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME TREE REMOVAL, SOME SLOPE DISTURBANCE, SOME WET AND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AREA DISTURBANCE.
BUT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY, WE DISCUSSED TRAFFIC, ONE OF THE BUS PLAN, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE TRAFFIC WE'VE HAD MR. CANNING.
THEY HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN TO THE ZONING BOARD YET, AT ALL.
THAT'S WHAT, SO, AND THEY'RE GONNA, AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, A FAIR AMOUNT OF VARIANCES HERE THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THEIR CASE TO THE ZONING BOARD.
BUT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, OKAY.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN PROPOSE AGAIN.
SO BEFORE YOU, YOU DO THAT, I, SHOULD I DO IT AGAIN OR NO? UH, I CAN JUST REPEAT WHAT ALREADY WAS IN PLAY.
WHICH WAS A MOTION BY MR. PINE, SECONDED BY MR. WEINBERG FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO DECLARE ITSELF LEAD AGENCY.
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GREAT.A QUESTION, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION.
SO SEEING THE TABLE UP THERE, THE BUILDING HEIGHT VARIANCE, THE FIRST ONE LISTED SAYS REQUIRED 12 FEET OR PERMITTED 12 FEET.
AND THEN FOR EXISTING IT SAYS GREATER THAN 12 FEET.
DO YOU NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC HEIGHT? YEAH, SO THE EXISTING BUILDING, UM, JUST BASICALLY HOW YOU MEASURE IT, THE FRONT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE GRADE DROPS OFF VERY STEEPLY.
SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S VERY HIGH THERE IN THE BACK IT COMES, IT COMES UP, UH, THE GRADE COMES UP A LITTLE HIGHER.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN AVERAGE GRADE, UH, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S OVER 12 FEET.
UM, BUT ALSO THE PARAPET HAS UNDULATIONS AND INCREASES.
NOT THE EASIEST THING TO YEAH.
SO THE FRONT FACE CERTAINLY APPEARS HIGHER THAN 15.4 FEET.
BUT DUE TO THE GRADE CHANGE, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE AVERAGE, THERE ARE SOME CALCULATIONS THAT HAVE TO GO INTO IT.
SO I GUESS IT'S JUST TO CONFIRM THAT IF IT'S OKAY HIGHER THAN 15 AND A HALF.
'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S DECREASING THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY.
YES, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXISTING IS OTHER THAN THAT IT SAYS GREATER THAN 12 FEET.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST SPECIFY A LITTLE BIT.
I UNDERSTAND IT MIGHT BE HIGHER, WE COULD DO AN AVERAGE GRADE AND RIGHT.
I BELIEVE WHEN I HAD DONE THAT, IT WAS GREATER.
SO WE CAN JUST PROVIDE THAT NUMBER THAT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THE BOARD, UNLESS IT DECIDES TO WHICH IT'S, IS ITS CHOICE STAFF WAS GONNA HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE BOARD RELATED TO SEEKER AND RELATED TO THE VARIANCE THIS SE THIS EVENING.
BUT ONLY TO GET DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD ON HOW TO BEGIN DRAFTING UP THOSE DOCUMENTS FOR ITS NEXT MEETING.
I DON'T, WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE A SECRET DETERMINATION OR AN ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCES THIS EVENING.
SO WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING TO GO TO THE, SO WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR, I BELIEVE IT'S THE 19TH.
IT'S THE JULY 17TH, THE 17TH, THE JULY ZONING BOARD MEETING.
SO, SO WE WOULD NEED A REFERRAL TO DO THAT PROPERLY, EITHER AT YOUR, YOUR BOARD'S NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JULY 2ND, IDEALLY FOR THE 16TH SECOND.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN A VERY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION HERE THAT I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO A MORE BAKED DISCUSSION OF THIS MM-HMM
AND, UH, SO THERE ARE TWO MEETINGS, TWO PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT ZONING BOARD MEETING, UH, JULY 2ND AND JULY 16TH WITH THE ZONING BOARD MEETING ON THE 17TH.
SO EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIRECTION TONIGHT, STAFF DRAFTS UP DOCUMENTS TO THE BEST OF ITS ABILITY AND THE NEXT MEETING IS, YOU KNOW, A HEAVY WORKLOAD AND WE ULTIMATELY CAN'T GET THROUGH IT.
WHILE NOT IDEAL, WE WOULD HAVE THE FALLBACK TO THE 16TH.
SO THE NEXT, SO YOU WANTED TO KIND OF, I WANT TO GET TO A POINT TONIGHT WHERE YOU CAN PREPARE THIS RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE SEEKER.
I THINK IT WOULD BE, THAT'S WHAT I, SO BEFORE WE GO INTO THE VARIANCES, UH, I THINK IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO GO THROUGH THE SEEKER, UM, DETERMINATION.
AND MR. BRITTON HAD PREPARED THE UPDATED STAFF REPORT, WHICH GUIDES THE PLANNING BOARD ON THE POSSIBLE PROJECT IMPACTS AND PROPOSED MITIGATION STARTING ON PAGE THREE.
SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO GO THROUGH THESE SECTIONS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE BOARD, UH, WANTS TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON THE FIRST BEING IMPACT ON LAND USE AND ZONING.
AND WE'VE LAID OUT WHAT THE PROPOSAL INVOLVES AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE, UH, A NUMBER OF AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT, UH, AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER WAIVERS.
AND THEN, SO THAT CONTINUES ONTO PAGE FOUR WHERE WE DO INDICATE THAT, UM, THE AREA VARIANCES DO CREATE A MATERIAL CONFLICT WITH THE CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS.
HOWEVER MANY OF THE VARIANCES ARE THE SAME AS, OR LESS I IMPACTFUL THAN EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHICH THE APPLICANT HAS IDENTIFIED IN THE CHART.
UM, WE DID JUST ASK THE QUESTION ON THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD GET BACK TO US ON.
WITH RESPECT TO IMPACT ON LAND, AGAIN, WE LAY OUT WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS AND WE DO INDICATE THAT THE TACO BELL WOULD DIFFER FROM THE EXISTING RESTAURANT, UM, MOST SIGNIFICANTLY BY THE INCLUSION OF A DRIVE THROUGH THE VOLUME OF CUSTOMERS TO THIS SITE IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE.
HOWEVER, THE INCREASE AS DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO EXCEED WHAT THE SITE CAN HANDLE.
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QUESTION MM-HMMWHEN WE SAY THAT THE VOLUME WILL INCREASE, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THIS, BUT THIS PREVIOUS RESTAURANT, IS IT, THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THAT MANY CUSTOMERS.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT RIGHT.
I DIDN'T SEE IT AS A SUP AS A HIGH VOLUME RIGHT.
SO PRETTY LOW VOLUME WHAT THIS SITE WAS DETERMINED FOR.
SO A RESTAURANT, UM, 'CAUSE THAT WASN'T CONSIDERED FAST FOOD BECAUSE HONEY BAY CAM, THE HONEY BAY CAM, NO.
AND IT WAS A DUNKING DONUTS BEFORE THAT.
IT WAS, YEAH, IT WAS A DUNKING DONUTS BEFORE THAT, BUT WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH.
WITHOUT A DRIVE FOR MANY YEARS.
THAT, AND I THINK IN THE SAME BUILDING, THEY DIDN'T CHANGE THE BUILDING WHEN THEY CONVERTED FROM DUNKING DONUTS.
DON ANY BAKE, DAN? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A BUSINESS THERE THAT'S PROSPEROUS SUCCESSFUL.
SO TO COMPARE THE FACT THAT A PREVIOUS BUSINESS DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH TRAFFIC, IS THAT A FAIR COMPARISON? WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT WELL, UH, ONLY IF IT'S A SIMILAR TYPE OF USE IN THE SENSE OF, UM, THAT'S HARD TO, THAT'S HARD TO DO.
YOU, YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO A DEGREE, BUT YOU'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IT ON ITS OWN MERIT.
I MEAN, IF, AS MS. MCNA INDICATED, IF IT WAS LOW VOLUME NON-RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A, YOU KNOW, A WHO KNOW AN INSURANCE AGENT'S OFFICE MM-HMM
OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
NEVERTHELESS, YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT ON ITS OWN MERITS.
AND MR. CANNING WAS NOT SAYING, OKAY, WELL HONEY BAKED HIM HAD X NUMBER AND TACO BELL'S GONNA HAVE X NUMBER AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S DICTATING THINGS.
LOOKING AT IT STRAIGHT FROM WHAT THE NUMBERS AND THE DATA SUPPORTS FOR THE TACO BELL USE AT OTHER SIMILARLY SITUATED LOCATIONS IN THE GEOGRAPHIC VICINITY.
YOU KNOW, AND THE BOARD EVEN WENT FURTHER THAN, OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE.
THE INITIAL, WHICH WAS THEY EVALUATED FOUR SITES.
THIS BOARD INDICATED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SITE IN PROXIMITY IN YONKERS EVALUATE THAT THE APPLICANT WENT TO DO AND CONDUCTED THAT ANALYSIS.
AND MR. CANNING REVIEWED THAT.
AND I THINK THE, THE FIFTH SITE, THE CENTRAL AVENUE SITE THAT WAS, THAT WAS REVIEWED, WHICH IN MY OPINION IS, IS THE MOST, UM, SIMILAR TO THIS SITE BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE, THE THROUGH TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR.
UM, AND IF ANYTHING MIGHT, MIGHT REDUCE THAT SITE, UH, BECAUSE THERE'D NOW BE TWO OPTIONS ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
UM, THOSE NUMBERS, IF ANYTHING MADE, MADE THE CASE LOOK STRONGER.
SO, I MEAN, WE CAN EVEN ADD IN AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO THE TRANSPORTATION PART, BUT THE FACT THAT THE BOARD ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR, IT DOES.
IT CLARIFIES THEN SECTION THREE, IMPACT ON COMMUNITY CHARACTER.
WE NOTE THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SITUATED WITHIN A WELL-ESTABLISHED COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ON AN EXISTING RESTAURANT, UH, PROPERTY.
WE DO NOTE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT COMPLEX BORDERS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSE TO INCLUDE AN EVERGREEN BUFFER.
WE WILL ADD ON THE FACT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING SOUND ATTENUATION FENCING.
THE, THERE WAS A REMARK FROM ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS THAT THE FENCING DIDN'T EXTEND FULLY ACROSS THE, UM, WHERE THE DUMPSTER AREA IS AND THE, AND THAT SOUTHERLY PROPERTY LINE AND THE APPLICANT INDICATED THIS EVENING THAT IT WOULD EXTEND THAT FENCING.
UH, SO WE WILL UPDATE ACCORDINGLY BASED ON TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION.
AND THEN ANYTHING ABOUT THE LIGHTING WE CAN, SO IT IS THE GARBAGE TRUCK PICKUP, IS THAT PART OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER? NOT PART OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER BEING MORE NOISE AND, UM, ODORS LIKE ODORS AND UM, CHANGE OF PESTS.
IF, IF THERE ARE ANY, EXCUSE ME, IF THERE ARE ANY SIGN VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED, WILL WE HAVE TO REVOTE ON THE SEEKER? NOT, NO.
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THE IMPACT ON LAND USE AND ZONING WOULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE.AND THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE, UM, A PROJECT, IT DOES ULTIMATELY GET MODIFIED BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
IT COULD INTRODUCE LESS VARIANCES OR SOME IMPROVEMENT, COULD INTRODUCE AN ADDITIONAL VARIANCE, BUT RIGHT.
BUT THE ZONING BOARD, UM, WOULD BE CONSIDERING, DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR IN AMENDMENT AND IT'S UNLIKELY IT COULD, BUT IT'S UNLIKELY.
SECTION FOUR IMPACT ON CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS.
UM, THAT'S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD ONE IN THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT IMPACT ANY CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS.
PROBABLY THE LARGEST IN THE BUNCH IS SECTION FOUR IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION.
WE WAIT, WHAT DO HAVE FOUR UH, I'M SORRY.
FIVE IMPACT ON TRANSPORTATION.
AND WE NOTE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL CONSISTS OF THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TACO BELL QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT ON AN EXISTING LOT.
THE LOT IS CURRENTLY IMPROVED WITH THE RESTAURANT BUILDING, WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 1,688 SQUARE FOOT TACO BELL RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH LANE CAPABLE OF STACKING, AS WE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, BASED ON THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S LATEST MEMORANDUM UP TO SEVEN VEHICLES.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE RECOGNIZING.
THE SITE IS CURRENTLY SERVED BY TWO CURB CUTS ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH, WHICH ARE PROPOSED TO BE CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE CURB CUT.
UM, WE DIDN'T INDICATE, UM, THAT IT WAS FULL MOVEMENT THERE, BUT LET ME GO ON.
THE APPLICANT HAS PREPARED AND SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC STUDY WHICH HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
THE APPLICANT'S TRAFFIC STUDY IDENTIFIES THAT THE EXPECTED PEAK DRIVE THROUGH QUEUES WILL BE FULLY CONTAINED TO THE SITE AND NOT HAVE IMPACTS ONTO CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UH, A CONCLUSION SUPPORTED BY THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT DUE TO THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED CURB CUT CHANGES APPROVAL FROM THE NEW YORK STATE, DOT IS REQUIRED PRELIM.
AND WE NOTE, AND THIS, UH, PRE PRELIMINARILY, THE DOT IS INDICATED THAT IT WILL LOOK AT IF A FULL MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY IS PERMISSIBLE OR IF A RESTRICTED MOVEMENT DRIVEWAY IS BEST FOR THE SITE.
THAT'S WHERE WE STAND AT THE MOMENT.
UM, THEREFORE WE CLOSE WITH STATING THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL IS NOT ANTICIPATED.
AND I WOULD PROBABLY, UH, MODIFY THIS TO, UH, ADVERSELY IMPACT SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT RIGHT.
SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT, ADVERSE IMPACT RESULT NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN A SIGNIFICANTLY ADVERSE IMPACT TO EXISTING.
SO WE CAN UPDATE THAT ACCORDINGLY.
SECTION SIX, IMPACT ON ENERGY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE SITE IS ALREADY SERVED BY AN EXISTING RESTAURANT USE, SO THERE'S NO ANTICIPATED NEGATIVE EFFECT, UH, OR IMPACT.
SO SOME OF THE SEEKER LANGUAGE DIFF DIFFERS.
IT DOES DIFFER BETWEEN, BETWEEN THE QUESTIONS YES.
DOES DIFFER, BUT WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT.
SO WE'LL SAY IMPACT UPON THE COMMUNITY SOURCES, SOURCES OF FUEL OR ENERGY SUPPLY.
SIMILARLY, IMPACT ON WATER WASTEWATER, UH, INDICATE THAT EXISTING FACILITIES ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL USAGE AND DISPOSAL OF WATER AND WASTEWATER.
THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE WATER SUPPLIES OR WASTEWATER TREATMENT UTILITIES.
SECTION EIGHT, IMPACT ON HISTORICAL, UH, HISTORIC ARCHEOLOGICAL, ARCHITECTURAL OR AESTHETIC RESOURCES.
AND I, I DO WANT TO ADD IN HERE, AND I SPOKE WITH MR. BRITTON THIS MORNING THAT WE WILL MAKE A NOTE THAT THE PROJECT SITE IS IN PROXIMITY AND ADJACENT TO THE HARTSDALE CANINE OR PET CEMETERY, WHICH IS LISTED ON, UH, AT A MINIMUM YEAH.
WHY ARE WE MAKING THAT NOTE ON? UM, WHAT IT DOES IT, WELL, WE DO LIKE TO INDICATE IF THERE IS A NEARBY MM-HMM
UM, WE DID IT WITH, UH, FOR INSTANCE, CHICK-FIL-A BECAUSE THE COUNTY CENTER BUILDING IS IN PROXIMITY TO THE SITE.
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STATEMENT.IT'S A STATEMENT OF FACT THAT THE PROJECT SITE'S LOCATED WITHIN, OH NO, I'M SORRY.
'CAUSE I'M, I THOUGHT THERE WAS SORT OF A BUFFER BETWEEN, I THINK IN THE REAR THE, OH, IT GOES AROUND TO THE BACK.
SO IT WOULD BE A STATEMENT OF FACT THAT THE CEMETERY IS IN, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
IT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED TO BE NEARBY OR WHATEVER LANGUAGE YOU WANNA USE.
THERE'S A BUFFER BETWEEN THEIR LINE, BUT NOT IN BEHIND THEM.
YEAH, SO IT BUMPS UP AGAINST IT.
THE SUBWAY RESTAURANT IS IN BETWEEN ALONG CENTRAL, BUT THE CEMETERY PROPERTY DOES WRAP AROUND.
NEVERTHELESS, EVEN IF IT DIDN'T, I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN, YOU KNOW, JUST A FEW HUNDRED FEET OF THE HARTSDALE PET CEMETERY.
NEVERTHELESS, THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE SITE THAT'S OPERATED, UH, AS A RESTAURANT USE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND PRIOR TO THAT, THE DUNGAN DONUTS USE.
SO THERE'S NO ANTICIPATED, UH, IMPACT TO THE CHARACTER QUALITY OF IMPORTANT HISTORIC ARCHEOLOGICAL ARCHITECTURAL OR AESTHETIC RESOURCES.
SECTION NINE IMPACT ON NATURAL RESOURCES.
UM, WE DO INDICATE THAT THE PROPOSED WORK WILL, UM, MINIMALLY IMPACT PREVIOUSLY UNDISTURBED AREAS.
AND THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY THE BUMP OUT IN THE BACK TO CREATE THE RETAINING WALL.
THERE'S SOME TREE REMOVAL THERE SO THAT THEY CAN GET, UH, THE RADIUS AND THE, THE WIDTH FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH Q.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN WE HAD IN HERE FOR, UH, PROVIDING FOR THE PLANTING OF 53 TREES.
BUT MY NOTES TONIGHT SAY THAT IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT AND WE WILL UPDATE THAT ACCORDINGLY.
WHAT I'D ALSO LIKE TO DO IS, UM, WE WILL ELABORATE IN THIS SECTION FURTHER TO JUST REITERATE, UM, THE DISTURBANCE AREAS WITHIN THE WATERCOURSE BUFFER, UH, THAT'S ON THE SITE AND TO THE STEEP SLOPE AREA.
SO WE'LL JUST FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
YOU WILL SEE THAT UPDATED IN THE, THE DRAFT THAT WE CIRCULATE.
SO NEXT SECTION IS SECTION 10 IMPACT ON FLOODING AND DRAINAGE.
AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.
SO IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, UH, THERE WILL BE AN UPDATE HERE, BUT WE REITERATE WHAT THE PROJECT, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING, WHICH IS THE NEW TACO BELL QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT ON AN EXISTING LOT WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING TO BE REMOVED.
WE INDICATE THE, UM, STEEP SLOPE, THE PROPOSED DISTURBANCES TO STEEP SLOPES IN THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES THAT THE TOWN REGULATES.
WE INDICATE THAT THE PROJECT REQUIRES, UH, APPROXIMATELY 172 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION AND 179 CUBIC YARDS OF IMPORTED FILL, WHICH REQUIRES A FILL PERMIT THROUGH THE TOWN ENGINEER.
UH, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF 10 REGULATED TREES, UH, REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AND IS PREPARED A LANDSCAPING PLAN PROVIDING FOR THE PLANTING OF 47 TREES AS REPLACEMENT.
WE WILL INDICATE AN UPDATE HERE BASED ON THE EYE TREE, UH, DOCUMENTATION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT, UH, MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER TWO 60, WHICH IS OUR TOWN TREE ORDINANCE.
WE ALSO ADD THAT THE SITES AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, CURRENTLY SERVED BY TWO CURB CUTS ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE, WHICH ARE PROPOSED TO BE CONSOLIDATED.
UH, WE DO INDICATE THAT IMPERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS SURFACES ON THE SITE ARE PROPOSED TO DECREASE FROM 75% EXISTING TO 72% PROPOSED.
AND THAT'S INDICATIVE, UH, INDICATED ON THE APPLICANT'S SHEET THERE.
BASED ON TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION, THE BOARD'S ASKED FOR THE APPLICANT, UH, TO LOOK INTO ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS EITHER THROUGH PREVIOUS PAVERS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO ONCE WE HEAR BACK FROM THE APPLICANT, WE WILL UPDATE THIS SECTION ACCORDINGLY.
YEAH, AND YOU, YOU, I MEAN, IT'D BE GOOD THAT YOU CAN REMOVE THAT ONE ONE VARIANCE IF YOU DO SOME OF THE IMPERVIOUS PAVERS, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO NOT NEED IT THAT, SO DO, UH, DO IMPERVIOUS PAVERS COUNT TOWARDS THE IMPERVIOUS CORRECT
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SURFACE? SO IT IT, THAT'S THE VARIANCE YOU'RE REFERRING TO.SO YEAH, OUR CODE IS NOT CAUGHT UP WITH RESPECT TO THE OLD PERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO EVEN IF THEY WERE TO UTILIZE PERVIOUS MATERIALS, EITHER PERVIOUS ASPHALT OR PREVIOUS PAVERS, WHILE THE PLANNING BOARD RECOGNIZES THAT AS A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO A PROJECT FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD STILL COUNT AS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE.
SO IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE HOPING WE CAN UPDATE, BUT IS THAT GONNA BE INCLUDED IN SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WILL COME BEFORE US SHORTLY? UM, SO I DON'T ENVISION THEM BECAUSE THERE'S OVERLAP WITH CHAPTER 2 48, WHICH IS OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE, WHICH DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS TAB CHAPTER 2 85.
NEVERTHELESS, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER ABOUT UPDATING CHAPTER 2 48.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE ULTIMATELY HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND WE'RE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH A MAJOR REVISION AND THAT'S ALSO WHERE LIKE THE 25 YEAR STORM VERSUS 50 YEAR STORM LIVES.
UM, BUT NEVERTHELESS, AS I MENTIONED, AND I WANT TO REITERATE, THE PLANNING BOARD DOES LOOK FAVORABLY, UM, ON INSTANCES AND I'M SURE THE ZONING BOARD MAY AS WELL WHEN CONSIDERING THE VARIANCE ON THE, UM, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP EVERYTHING IN LINE INFORMATION ABOUT THE SIGNS THAT ARE PROPOSED SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO BUILDING IDEALLY BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
UM, AND THEN SECTION 11 IMPACT ON ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES IN HUMAN HEALTH.
AND THERE'S NOT ANTICIPATED TO CREATE A, UH, HAZARD TO EITHER.
UM, THE BOARD DID NOTE, AND THIS DOESN'T GET THROUGH EVERY SECTION, BUT THERE WILL BE A SECTION ON NO NOISE AND ODORS.
AND WE WILL ADD IN WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, UM, THIS, THIS EVENING ABOUT, UH, THE TRASH AND RECYCLING ENCLOSURE, THE TIMING THAT WAS DISCUSSED.
UM, AND EVEN, UH, I'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH COUNSEL, BUT ABOUT THE PLANNING BOARD'S INTENTION TO POTENTIALLY CONDITION AS PART OF ANY PROJECT APPROVAL TIME PERIODS FOR PICKUP AND ALSO THE EXTENSION OF THE FENCING.
I THINK, UH, WHAT POSITIVE THINGS THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE SOME SOMEPLACE THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A, SUCH A POOR DISCONNECT BETWEEN, SO WE CAN RESIDENTIAL TO THE, TO THE FURTHER THAT WE HAVE.
SO IT WILL KIND OF BECOME A MORE CONNECTED, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU PUT, YOU PUT IT IN.
WE WOULD PUT IT IN SECTION FIVE OR THREE.
SECTION FIVE EVEN SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO UM, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY.
I THINK THAT'S, SO THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD IMPROVEMENT AND WE KIND OF, UH, LIKE TO HAVE A MORE SIDEWALK OR AT LEAST A DEDICATED, UH, WALKWAY ALONG THE CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND AS MR. CANNING AND OR THE APPLICANT MENTIONED, THE CONSOLIDATION ADDS MORE SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONT EDGE REDUCES POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITH PEDESTRIANS.
SO IT DEFINITELY MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT'S EXISTING, THAT'S FOR SURE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS DOCUMENT? WE'LL DRAFT SOMETHING UP AT YOUR DIRECTION FOR NEXT TIME, BUT UM, IF ANYTHING COMES UP, YOU CAN ALWAYS EMAIL OR, OR CALL US AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE DRAFT OUT IN THE NEXT PACKAGES.
GOOD TO SEE THE TACO BELL NEARBY.
IS THAT STILL SOMETHING WE FEEL IS NECESSARY OR IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
YOU WANNA GO TO HONEY BAGG? HAND
ANOTHER TACO BELL OWNED BY THAT WAS THE BRIARCLIFF ONE WE WERE TALKING YEAH.
GUYS, LET'S WE'RE DANCING CLOSE TO LINE.
IT'S, IT'S NO, THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.
YEAH, BUT WOULD YOU GET THAT? YOU'RE CERTAINLY FREE TO, IF WE WANT TO SET SOMETHING UP FORMAL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, BOARD MEMBERS ARE FREE TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE SITES OR OTHER TACO BELL SITES MORE THAN IF THERE'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THREE WANT SOMEONE TO BRING YOU AROUND.
WELL, I THINK WE WANTED TO SEE HOW, HOW FLOW, I THINK THERE WAS ONE SIDE THAT HAD A SIMILAR TRAFFIC FLOW WITHIN THE, THE PREMISE.
THE
SO FOR JUST ASKING FOR TRAFFIC FLOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE FOR EXTENDED.
SO, AND, AND, OR AT LEAST PEAK PEAK HOURS.
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IT MAKE SENSE FOR MAYBE A POINT PERSON, I MEAN THIS IS TOTALLY UP TO THE BOARD.IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BE THE LEAD AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL GO UP TO B BRIARCLIFF, TAKE A LOOK AND REPORT BACK, THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE DONE TOO.
THAT'S SOMETHING IN A DIRECTION THAT WE ACTUALLY ULTIMATELY WANT THE BOARD TO GO WHERE THERE ARE CERTAIN, EITHER A POINT PERSON OR POINT PERSONS ON PROJECTS THAT GO OUT TO THE SITE, TAKE A LOOK BECAUSE YOU GET A BETTER SENSE SOMETIMES AND MANY TIMES FROM BEING OUT AT THE SITE VERSUS JUST LOOKING AT BLACK AND WHITE LINES AND SOMETIMES COLOR ON, ON PAPER.
SO I CAN, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEND OUT AN EMAIL ON FRIDAY, WE'RE CLOSED TOMORROW AND IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY AND SOMEONE WANTS TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY, CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE.
CAN YOU GIVE US A REPORT BACK? UM, HAS IT BEEN APPOINTED? WHOEVER THE BOY PERSON IS, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL SWING UP THE BAR.
IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH STAFF, WE CAN TRY AND INFORMATION.
I'M, I'M SURE THAT'LL BE FINE.
I, I'M NOT A LUNCH GUY, BUT, UM, KEEP IT AT EVERY 15 MINUTES IN TROUBLE.
SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME THERE.
AND NOW IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO GET INTO THE VARIANCES.
I THINK THE CHART, UM, WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SHOW ON THE SCREEN AND ZOOMING IN SO THAT THE BOARD CAN GO KIND OF THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE.
BUT ABOUT THE SITE VISIT, WE HAVE DONE THE WHAT? ONE PERSON WE DESIGNATE AND GO AND REPORT.
SO THE, SO YEAH, WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE.
LET'S CHART THE VARIANCE CHART.
WE'LL GO WE'LL JUST ONE BY ONE.
AND IF I WOULD SAY THIS, IF THERE'S NOTHING COMPELLING, WE CAN PROBABLY NOT SAY ANYTHING AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
AS THE BOARD KNOWS NOW, AND EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THIS BOARD OPERATES WITH RESPECT TO ITS RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ZONING BOARD, PURSUANT TO THAT MEMORANDUM FROM NOVEMBER, 2023 THAT I HAD CIRCULATED RECENTLY FOR THE APPLICANT'S BENEFIT, THE WAY THIS BOARD OPERATES, UNLESS THERE'S A COMPELLING PLANNING REASON TO EITHER GO POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE WITH RESPECT TO ANY OF THE VARIANCES, THE BOARD WILL GO NEUTRAL.
NEUTRAL'S NOT INTENDED TO COME ACROSS AS NEGATIVE.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WITH THE PLANNING BOARD FEELS THAT THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING FOR THE ZONING BOARD TO DECIDE ON ITS OWN AND ON THE MERITS OF THAT PARTICULAR VARIANCE.
SO FIRST IS BUILDING HEIGHT 12 FEET, UH, ALLOWED OR PERMITTED? WE'RE GOING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, BUT FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IN TERMS OF EXISTING, THE FRONT FACE IS QUITE A BIT MORE THAN 12.
BUT THEN WITH AVERAGE GRADE, WE'LL GET SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM MR. DUMONT, THE APPLICANT SEEKING A 3.4 FOOT VARIANCE TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF 15.4 FEET.
ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT OR NO? I, I THINK IT'S, UH, UH, CONSIDERING THAT, UH, EVERY BUSINESS HAS A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND, AND I THINK, UH, IT'S NOT REALLY KIND OF A GOING TO CREATE ISO ON THE, ON THE CENTRAL AVENUE.
SO THEY'RE WITHIN THE REASONABLE AMOUNT.
AND WHEN YOU MEAN, LIKE, SAY YOU GO, THERE'S NOTHING COMPELLING YOU TO EITHER GO NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE, YOU WOULD FEEL MORE ON THE NEUTRAL SIDE, BUT WITH A NOTE THAT THE BOARD LOOKED AT THE RENDERING SUPPLIED AND IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT IT WOULD RESULT IN ANY SORT OF NEGATIVE VISUAL IMPACT? I WOULD GO POSITIVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A, I'M JUST HEARING YOU.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST A CONSIDERING TWO FACTOR.
WE HAVE A, UH, WHAT'S EXISTING, UH, AND, AND, AND, AND THE GENERAL CHARACTER OF SOUTH CENTRAL AVENUE WITH SO MANY VACANCIES AND, AND, UH, SOME PLACES BEEN SORT OF, UH, EYESORE FOR SO LONG MM-HMM
UH, LIKE THAT, UH, SPOT BUILDING.
SO, SO I THINK IT'S, UH, AND THIS IS REALLY BRINGS, UH, UH, MORE AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE, FOR THE HEIGHT VARIANCE.
BUT IT'S ALL, ALL NOT CRITICAL.
AND SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S OKAY TO ME WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO DO I, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.
I'M SAYING IS THAT IT'S NOT A, UH, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY.
BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT NEGATIVE.
I I, I, I WOULD PROBABLY GO NEUTRAL.
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YOU KNOW, REFERENCING BACK THE, THE GUIDELINES THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED, GUESS THE LAST MEETING, MAYBE THE MEETING BEFORE.UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE THIS IS A, A DECREASE IN THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY, I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S A DRAMATIC, YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENT FROM A FANNING PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO, UM, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT NEGATIVE.
I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I, I WOULD GO NEUTRAL.
UH, I'M SORRY, LIKEWISE ON THE NEUTRAL MM-HMM
SECOND IS THE FLOOR AREA RATIO.
UM, IT'S A VERY, AS I THINK WE LOOKED AT PROBABLY THE FIRST TIME BASED ON THE AREA OF THE SITE, AND MR. DUMONT PROBABLY INDICATE WHAT A 0.015 FAR WOULD NET IN TERMS OF BUILD OUT ON THAT SITE.
IT'S LIKE A COUPLE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OR COUPLE HUNDRED SQUARE FEET, LIKE AN ICE CREAM STAND.
IT'S A, IT'S A VERY SMALL SITE.
THE APPLICANT'S SEEKING, UM, A VARIANCE TO GO TO 0.09 TO ALLOW FOR 1,788 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, I BELIEVE MM-HMM
UM, IT'S SMALLER THAN WHAT EXISTS TODAY.
THE FLOOR AREAS ARE VERY CLOSE.
IT'S LIKE 30 SQUARE FEET SMALLER THAN THE EXISTING FLOOR AREA.
THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT'S LIKE JUST SMALLER THAN THE EXISTING.
SO ON THIS ONE, UH, FOR ME, NEUTRAL AS WELL.
YEAH, I THINK THE NEUTRAL, YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A ZONING BOARD FOR SURE.
AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST WHERE YOU'RE LEANING AND GIVING US DIRECTION.
THERE'S NOT AN ACTUAL VOTE TAKING PLACE TONIGHT.
NUMBER THREE, MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE.
SO THIS, I I COULD SEE GOING POSITIVE ON BECAUSE IT'S A DECREASE FROM THE EXISTING, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY DO
AND I THINK IF THE APPLICANT WAS TO INCORPORATE SOME PERVIOUS MATERIALS, WHILE IT WOULDN'T COUNT NECESSARILY, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO DO THE CALCULATION IF IT COUNTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, 75% OF EXISTING IS 75% PROPOSED.
I'M SORRY, 60% ALLOWED, 75% EXISTING, 72% PROPOSED.
AND IF THE, YOU KNOW, PAVERS OR WHAT HAVE YOU WERE CONSIDERED PERVIOUS IN OUR CODE, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 70.5%.
IF YOU DO GO THAT ROUTE, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THIS BOARD.
AND I AGREE WITH IT'S A POSITIVE AT LEAST ANYWAY.
WHAT IS THERE AND YOU ARE REDUCING IT.
SO BECAUSE IT'S SIMILAR TO THE, TO THE, YOU KNOW, ARGUMENT WITH THE CHOW DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT WAS, UM, WHILE IT WAS STILL IMPERVIOUS, IT WAS LESS IMPERVIOUS THAN, THAN ANOTHER OPTION.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE EXISTING IS, IS MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE MM-HMM
AND CERTAINLY IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO COME WITH EVEN ADDITIONAL, UH, MEASURES.
AND I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, WE'RE NOT, YOU CAN TELL US HOW YOU FEEL, BUT ULTIMATELY IT, IT, IT'S OKAY.
WE'RE GONNA DRAFT UP WHAT WE, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, IT'S GOOD THAT IT'S LESS, BUT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, OVERALL I WOULD JUST SAY WE'RE N I'D BE NEUTRAL ON.
AND IT MAY BE EVEN BETTER AT THIS STAGE.
BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE, THAT'S FINE.
UM, FOURTH WOULD BE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ON THIS.
UM, MR. SMITH, ALL OF THE SETBACKS OR A LARGE PORTION PORTION OF THEM ARE DUE TO ADDING A DRIVEWAY.
I'M, I'M SORRY, A DRIVE THROUGH.
RIGHT? I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK.
YEAH, I, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
SO I'M WRESTLING WITH THIS AGAIN, APOLOGIZE.
UH, SO THE SETBACK LINE, LET ME JUST ZOOM IN.
SETBACK LINE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN PURPLE ON THE RENDERING.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING BUILDING IS REALLY LOCATED IN THE CENTER
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OF THE SITE, WHICH WORKED FOR THAT CONFIGURATION FOR THE HONEYBAKED TAM.IT WAS ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT, ONE WAY AROUND THE WHOLE BUILDING.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE TACO BELL BUILDING, WE NEEDED TO SHIFT IT TO THE SOUTH INTO THE SETBACK PRIMARILY SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS TWO-WAY FLOW AND FULL BAY OF PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT WAS REALLY THE PRIMARY REASON.
UM, IF I MAY, THE PARKING CURRENTLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE, UH, IS NOT, IT'S A PARALLEL PARKING, IT'S PARALLEL TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND ONLY NETS A HANDFUL OF SPACES VERSUS PERPENDICULAR TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT'S THE RATIONALE, RIGHT.
BY SO, SO SOME ARE INCREASED, SOME ARE DECREASED BECAUSE OF THE OVERALL SHIFT.
SO, SO WITH REGARD TO THE BUILDING SETBACKS WE'RE FULLY COMPLIANT EXCEPT FOR THE SIDE YARD BUILDING SET BACK.
UM, SO THE SOUTH SIDE, THE SOUTH SIDE, CORRECT.
WHERE WE PUSH INTO THE, SORRY, DO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE THAT WALL OF LANDSCAPING AND THE SOUND ATTENUATION FENCING, SO IT'S FROM 20, THE FRONT YARD EIGHT.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS THE CHART BACK UP, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THEM HAS, YOU KNOW, ITS OWN MERIT.
BUT ALTOGETHER THIS SORT OF CREATED THE ABILITY TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY IN THE PARKING A DRIVEWAY OR A DRIVE THROUGH.
I'M SORRY, I KEEP SAYING DRIVEWAY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT POINT YOU WERE MAKING.
SO, SO WHEN WE GO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CHART, WE HAVE THE SIDE BUILDING SETBACK MM-HMM
AND THEN THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PARKING SETBACKS.
THERE'S FRONT PARKING, SETBACK SIDE PARKING SETBACK.
SO, SO IS, IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WAS IN OUR PACKET, WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED US? UM, IS THERE, IT MAY BE SLIGHTLY BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE SLIGHTLY PARKING SPACE.
YEAH, IT'S, IT, IT WAS UPDATED BASED ON THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S DETER UPDATED TO TERMINATION.
I THINK THAT'S AS MAY SAY 32 SPACES PROPOSED.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, OH, POTENTIALLY A DIFFERENT LINE.
SO THIS IS A TOTAL PARKING, IT'S 29.
WE ALSO ADDED THE NORTHERLY SIDE AND SOUTHERLY SIDE BECAUSE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WAS COUNTING THOSE AS TWO VARIANCES.
UM, ONE FOR THE NORTH SIDE, ONE FOR THE SOUTH SIDE.
SO I WOULD SAY JUST GENERALLY, JUST TO ANSWER THAT ORIGINAL QUESTION, I THINK, UM, THE, AND ALSO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE SOUTH SIDE PARKING SETBACK.
IT'S REALLY THE SETBACK TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH.
UM, THERE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CONSIDERS THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE A PARKING AREA, SO OH, OKAY.
THAT TRIGGERS, THAT TRIGGERS THAT NEED THERE.
ON THE NORTH SIDE, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY WERE PULLING THE PARKING AWAY FROM THE NORTHERLY PROPERTY LINE WHERE AS AARON MENTIONED, THERE'S PARALLEL SPACES RIGHT UP AGAINST THE PROPERTY LINE NOW.
SO WE'RE PULLING THAT AWAY A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND THEN ON THE, THE CENTRAL AVENUE SIDE WHERE THE THREE PARKING SPACES ARE THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER, THAT THAT'S THE SIDE WHERE WE'RE PUSHING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TOWARD THE PROPERTY LINE THAN EXISTING.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE OPERATION FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
SO, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INCREASING THAT NON-CONFORMITY.
COULD WE GET THE UPDATED CHART IN OUR NEXT PACKET? YES.
OR NEXT TIME WE SEE THIS? YEAH, I THINK IF YOU HAVE THIS ONE, THIS IS UPDATED, RIGHT? THIS IS UPDATED.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MEMO'S UPDATED.
BUT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MEMO DOESN'T SHOW EXISTING AND THE APPLICANT'S CHART DOES.
UM, WELL WE ALSO WANT TO SEE THE HEIGHT SPELLED OUT AS DISCUSSED.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO, TO SORT OF MOVE THIS ALONG.
I'D, I'D BE INCLINED TO GO NEUTRAL ON ALL OF THE SETBACKS.
AND LEAVE THEM UP TO THE, THE ZONING BOARD.
YEAH, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHILE SOME INCREASE IN THE NON-CONFORMITY, SOME DECREASE, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A TRADE OFF BECAUSE THE WHOLE BUILDING SITS DIFFERENTLY ON THE SITE.
BUT OVERALL, FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT'S A NEUTRAL.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR, BUT OKAY.
THAT, UH, AND THAT JUST LEAVES THE PARKING LOT, THAT LEAVES THE, UM, PARKING, RIGHT, THE, BECAUSE AS INDICATED IN THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO, THE THREE, UM, LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ARE BEING REQUESTED AS WAIVERS THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR THOSE.
UM, SO THAT LEAVES US WITH, UH, NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES 49 REQUIRED.
UM, THE EXISTING OUR 22 AND THEY'RE PROPOSING 29, SO THEY GET A CREDIT OF SEVEN FOR THE Q SEVEN Q SPACES AND THEN I GUESS IT'S 22.
ACTUAL PARKING STALLS, UH, WITHIN THE PARKING AREA.
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SO HOW MANY ACTUAL PARKING SPOTS WILL THERE BE? 2 20, 2 22 20.AND EXISTING IS 22 AND EXISTING IS 22.
SO THERE'S NO NET DECREASE THERE.
AND THEN THEY DO GET CREDIT CREDIT FOR THE CREDIT FOR THE QUEUE? YEAH.
AND THEN TWO OF THEM ARE A DA, WELL, TECHNICALLY THREE.
RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT MIDDLE SPACE THAT'S, I DON'T, THAT'S A SPACE.
YOU DON'T COUNT THAT AS A PARKING SPOT, THE HASHED AREA.
BUT SORRY, SO THERE'S 22 AND THEN THERE'S SEVEN.
AND THEN WHERE ARE THE OTHER THREE? IN THE FRONT? IN THE FRONT.
I, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT WE WERE ENDING UP AT 29.
NOT 31, BUT I THINK THE QUESTION THE RIGHT, I'M SORRY, THE CHART THAT YOU SEE WAS BEFORE, THERE WAS A COUPLE THINGS.
ARE YOU SEEING 32 IN YOUR CHART OR 31? I'M SEEING 31.
WHERE DID YOU SEE 39 IN THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO WE'RE LANDING ON 29 2 A DA, SO TWO A DA THREE IN THE FRONT.
SO 24, WELL I THINK THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE 22.
SEVEN CREDIT, 2020 PARKING SPACES, TWO 80 A SEVEN QUEUING.
AND THAT 20 IS ALONG THE SIDE AND IN FRONT? CORRECT.
SO DOES THE BOARD WANNA GIVE ANY DIRECTION THERE ON THE PARKING? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT STUDIED VARIOUS SITES TO SEE HOW THE PARKING, UH, WHAT THE PARKING NEEDS OR DEMANDS OF A TACO BELL ON SIMILAR SITES WERE THE BOARD ASKED FOR THEM TO EVALUATE, UH, THE YONKERS, WHICH IS ALSO ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
AND WE OBVIOUSLY HAD OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS, UH, REVIEW ALL THE INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTATION, DOCUMENTATION SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT AND WAS HERE THIS EVENING.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE THE WAIVER IS THE, IS THE UH, EXISTING, HAS ANY HANDICAP PARKING? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND IT MUST, THERE IS ONE IN THE VERY BACK AGAINST THE RETAINING WALL AT THE HONEY BAKED HAND, RIGHT? NOT OVERLY, I DON'T ACCESSIBLE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S CODE COMPLIANT EITHER.
I KINDA REMEMBER THAT COMING UP.
AND WE HAD EVEN TALKED ABOUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
YEAH, I, I I WOULD GO NEUTRAL.
I THINK I CONSIDERING THAT WHAT IS THERE AND THIS PROPOSAL IMPROVES THE PARTICULARLY HANDICAPPED SITUATION.
I THINK IT STILL WOULD BE THAT THE, UH, YOU MAKE A CASE TO THE ZONING DEPARTMENTS AND SURE.
WAIT, I'M, ARE THEY GOING BEYOND ON THE A DA OR JUST WHAT WAS, WHAT IS REQUIRED? UM, I BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY, LET ME JUST CHECK.
I, I THINK TWO SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
I TWO IS REQUIRED, IF I RECALL FOR, FOR A PARKING FACILITY.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT THRESHOLD.
I'M ALMOST CERTAIN EFFORTS IT'S, IT'S UH, ONE A DA SPACE PER 25 PARKING SPACES.
AND SINCE THERE ARE 29 SPACES, THEY NEED TWO ADA A SPACES.
SO YEAH, THAT WAS THE DISTINCTION WITH THE QUEUING SPACES.
SO IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE THE QUEUING, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PHYSICAL PARKING SPACES, WE WOULD NEED ONE.
SO IF YOU COUNT THE QUEUING PER THE BUILDING, I CAN'T HAVE PER THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S DETERMINATION, WE NEED TO.
AND YOU'RE PROPOSING TWO? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD, GOOD IMPROVEMENT YOU ALL.
EVEN IF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WERE TO GO NEUTRAL, WE CAN ADD THE NOTE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOGNIZES THAT THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS TO A DA ACCESSIBILITY ON THE SITE WITH THE STALLS BEING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING.
ALL THAT CURRENT A DA STANDARDS.
SO THAT GIVES STAFF ENOUGH DIRECTION TO DRAFT UP BOTH THE, A SECRET DETERMINATION AND A RECOMMENDATION FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.
ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? OTHERWISE WE WILL, ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE APPLICANT? NO.
THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE'S TIME.
THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH EVERYTHING WITH US.
AND I DON'T PUT KETCHUP ON TACOS.
I HAVE A GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.