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HI, UM, WELCOME[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 Email: HCancro@GreenburghNY.com https://greenburghny.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings]
TO OUR GREENBERG, UH, TOWN BOARD, UH, WORK SESSION.TODAY IS ON AUGUST, UH, 26TH AT FIVE, UM, 40.
AND THE FIRST ITEM IS THE NATURE CENTER, THE PAVILION WELCOME CENTER.
COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS IS ON ZOOM TONIGHT IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOTH STATE LAW AND TOWN CODE BECAUSE WE HAVE A FULL QUORUM PHYSICALLY PRESENT HERE AT TOWN HALL, WHICH WAS PUBLICLY NOTICED.
AND ALSO, AS A REMINDER, CAN YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MICS AND SPEAK DIRECTLY INTO THE MIC AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOUR, YOUR NAME, UM, AND IF YOU ARE REPRESENTING A COMPANY WHEN YOU COME TO THE MIC.
GARRETT TAIN, PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOR THE TOWN.
AND WE'RE JOINED HERE BY REPRESENTATIVES GREENBERG NATURE CENTER AND NATURE CENTER AT GREENBERG, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED NOW.
SO ALEX DUNN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR IS GONNA HI, ALEX.
START OFF WITH AN EXCITING PROJECT.
THEY HAVE, THEY'RE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA, THEY HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION AND WE'LL GET A LITTLE BIT INTO PROCESS AFTER THAT.
UM, UH, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE NOW TO BE TALKING ABOUT OUR WELCOME CENTER.
UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF HAD A LONG JOURNEY TO GET HERE, BUT IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO BE ABLE TO OFFER THIS ASSET TO THE PUBLIC.
THE WELCOME CENTER, THE GOALS ARE TO, UM, GET A SENSE WHEN VISITORS ARRIVE, HOW TO NAVIGATE THE NATURE CENTER.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST A PARKING LOT AND A TRAIL HEAD.
THE PICTURES THAT RONAN SHOWING HERE, UH, SHOWS THE IMAGE OF THE WELCOME CENTER AND HOW IT'S JUST OFF OF THE PARKING LOT.
AND SO WHEN VISITORS ARRIVE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE STRUCTURE AND KNOW, UM, THAT THAT IS THEIR WELCOME AREA.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF GOALS WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE.
UM, OF COURSE, ONE IS TO SAFELY LOAD AND UNLOAD STUDENTS FROM SCHOOL BUSES.
SO WHERE THIS IS SITUATED IN THE PARKING LOT, A SCHOOL BUS WOULD COME TO A FULL STOP.
CHILDREN COULD GET OFF OR GET ON, AND IT WOULD STOP ALL TRAFFIC.
THEY COULD GO INTO THE WELCOME CENTER AND THEN BE GREETED BY OUR NATURALISTS AND THEN TAKEN TO THEIR PROGRAM.
UM, ALSO IT'S A PLACE FOR US TO WELCOME OUR VISITORS, GIVE THEM A SENSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AT THE NATURE CENTER.
UM, THE HOURS OF THE WELCOME CENTER WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE HOURS OF THE MANOR HOUSE, WHICH IS 10 TO FOUR.
AND THEN OF COURSE, IT'S OPEN, UM, TO THE PUBLIC FROM, UM, DAWN TO DUSK.
THE WELCOME CENTER WILL LIST THE ACTIVITIES OF THE DAY.
UH, MY TEAM WILL BE THERE, OR DOCENTS WILL BE THERE TO GREET, UM, AND WELCOME.
AND, UH, IT'S ALSO A STRUCTURE TO BE ABLE TO START EDUCATION, UM, IMMEDIATELY UPON ARRIVAL.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.
WE THINK IT'S GONNA ADD A LOT TO THE PARK, UM, AND ADD A LOT TO THE EXPERIENCE.
AND, UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARTICULARS.
UM, IT'S A, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S GONNA BE NESTLED QUITE NICELY WITHIN THE FOREST.
SO WE'RE DOING AS MINIMAL DISTURBANCE TO THE AREA AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND ALSO MAKING THAT EXPERIENCE SO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE IN NATURE WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE THE WELCOME CENTER.
SO IS IT ENCLOSED? WILL IT BE ENCLOSED? IT IS NOT.
IT IS AN OPEN, IT HAS A ROOF, BUT IT HAS NO WALLS.
A GLASS ROOF, A CLEAR ROOF? UH, NO, THE ROOF WILL, UM, BE METAL.
UH, IT WILL BE, UH, LIKE A REGULAR STRUCTURED ROOF.
SO, SO THE, THIS SLIDE THAT CURRENTLY SHOWS, THIS SHOWS YOU HOW, UM, UH, HOW DEEP, SORT OF DEEP IT IS WITHIN THE, UM, THE, UH, CENTER, UH, COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY WOODS.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM ANYWHERE OTHER THAN VERY CLOSE VICINITY.
UM, BOTH IN, IN WINTER AND AND SUMMER.
WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO, UH, HAVE THIS DONE? UM, ASSUMING, UM, WE CAN GET ALL THE NECESSARY APPROVALS, WE WOULD LIKE TO START, UM, I THINK WHAT WE SAID IN THE, UH, MAYBE THE BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.
SO THE, UM, ACTUAL PAVILION IS A KIT.
SO IT COMES ALREADY CUT AND, UM, ABLE TO BE BUILT RIGHT ON SITE.
AND THE COMPANY, LANCASTER BACKYARD, UM, THEY DESIGN IT AT THEIR FACILITY AND THEN THEY BRING IT UP AND THEY PUT IT UP.
SO WE HAVE TO DO FOUNDATION WORK.
WE WOULD LIKE THAT TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE GROUND FREEZES.
SO IF WE'RE DOING THAT FOUNDATION WORK, UM, IN THE LATE FALL, EARLY WINTER, THEN WE CAN HAVE THE KIT COME, UM, SHORTLY THEREAFTER AND PUT IT UP, UM, AS SOON AS IT'S, THE WEATHER ALLOWS FOR THAT.
UM, WHEN WE PURCHASE THE KIT, THERE IS A LEAD TIME.
IT'S ABOUT A 20 WEEK LEAD TIME FROM WHEN WE PURCHASE TO WHEN, UM, IT ARRIVES.
BUT ALL OF THAT IS SCHEDULED, AND OF COURSE THEY WANNA KNOW THAT WE HAVE OUR FOUNDATION BUILT BEFORE THEY'RE GONNA BRING IT UP.
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SO WE HAVE BEEN RAISING FUNDS, UM, SO THE NONPROFIT, UH, HAS BEEN DOING A CAMPAIGN TO RAISE THE FUNDS FOR THIS.UM, AND WE HAVE ACHIEVED THAT.
THERE ARE OTHER FUNDRAISING OPPORTUNITIES THOUGH, WITHIN, UM, SO I WANNA DON'T WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, NO MORE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO DO BENCHES AND, UM, EDUCATIONAL EXHIBITORY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT WE HAVE THE FUNDS IN THE BANK TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
HOW MUCH WAS THIS WHOLE THING? SO THE PAVILION ITSELF, UH, IS A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THE FOUNDATION WORK, UM, IS ANOTHER 50 OR SO THOUSAND DOLLARS WITH THE LANDSCAPING EVERYTHING.
SO OUR BUDGET IS ABOUT $400,000 IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THIS, UH, THE RAFTERS SIZED, SO THAT IF YOU WANTED TO PUT SOLAR PANELS IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE ABLE TO HOLD THEM.
THE ONLY ISSUE IS THERE THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE A LOT OF CANOPY, UH, AROUND THERE.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY, I I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE VERY, UH, IT'S GONNA BE FEASIBLE.
AND WHILE WE OBVIOUSLY ARE, ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO MAINTAIN AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT IT'S A REALLY PRETTY STAND OF THE FOREST THERE.
A LOT OF OAK TREES, UM, ALTHOUGH VERY MATURE TREES.
SO IT'S A REALLY KIND OF STUNNING FOREST.
UM, YEAH, YOU CAN SEE HERE, UM, IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOUR TREES LEAF OFF, THEN YOU'RE HIRED
YOU'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.
EVERY TIME I GO TO THE NATURE CENTER, I'M REALLY IMPRESSED WITH ALL THE NEW ADDITIONS THAT YOU'VE BEEN, UM, DOING SINCE YOU'VE TAKEN OVER AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
THE WALK IS REALLY INCREDIBLE.
YOU KNOW, I REALLY LOVE GOING THERE.
UM, WHEN WE GET TO THIS SLIDE, ONE OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF IT THAT'S REALLY EXCITING IS YOU ENTER THE WELCOME CENTER.
YOU CAN SEE HERE FROM, UM, THIS IS THE SOUTH, UH, EAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE.
WHEN YOU GO, I'M SORRY, SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, WHEN YOU GO TO THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE, THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL EXIT TO THEN WALK THROUGH THE FOREST ON THIS, NOT STRAIGHT PATH, BUT MORE OF A, UM, A CURVED PATH THROUGH THE, THERE YOU GO.
SO YOU SEE OFF THE BACK CORNER, YOU'LL GO OUT.
THAT SECOND STRUCTURE IS A COMPOST TOILET, UM, TOO.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D BE ADDING RIGHT TO THE, UM, NEAR THE ENTRANCE OF THE PARK, WHICH IS WONDERFUL BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAY I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND PARENTS, NO ONE HAS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AT THE MANOR HOUSE.
AS SOON AS YOU GET TO THE PARKING LOT, EVERYONE HAS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.
SO WE'RE PROVIDING THIS AMENITY THERE.
UM, AND THEN THAT NICE PATH GOING THROUGH IS THROUGH THAT BEAUTIFUL PART OF THE FOREST, AND THEN IT MEETS UP WITH OUR TRAIL THAT BRINGS YOU TO THE MANOR HOUSE.
UM, AND WHAT'S REALLY NICE ABOUT THAT IS YOU'RE IMMEDIATELY IN NATURE.
UM, BUT THEN WE HAVEN'T TAKEN AWAY THE APPROACH UP TO THE MANOR HOUSE, WHICH IS QUITE STUNNING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT PAUL'S TALKING ABOUT, JUST EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE TO, UM, GET YOU AS QUICKLY INTO NATURE AS POSSIBLE, BUT THEN ALSO HAVE THAT BEAUTIFUL REVEAL OF THE GORGEOUS MANOR HOUSE.
JUST A FEW PROCESS, PROCESS NOTES.
HOW ARE YOU? UM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING ON THE INTERIOR? OR IS THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION? UM, NO, I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, GARRETT JUST MADE IT A LITTLE BIT LARGER.
UM, THE PATH UP WILL BE A DA COMPLIANT, SO THERE ARE NO STAIRS.
YOU'LL REACH A DECKING OF SOME SORT OR A PLATFORM BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY ENTER THE PAVILION.
AND THEN IN THE PAVILION, RIGHT NOW IN THE DRAWING, IT'S A CIRCLE, BUT WE ARE CONCEPTING MORE OF A KIOSK AREA THERE WHERE, UM, WE WON'T HAVE ANYONE STANDING BEHIND A KIOSK.
WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF IT, GREETING OUR VISITORS.
UM, BUT ALL OF THAT WILL HAVE SOME SORT OF MESSAGING LIKE OUR MISSION, UM, HOW IMPORTANT NATURE IS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, HOW TO QUICKLY, 'CAUSE THIS IS OUR NUMBER ONE QUESTION, LIKE WHAT DO I DO NOW THAT I'M HERE? SO QUICKLY GETTING PEOPLE, UM, UH, KIND OF KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING, DEPENDING UPON THE SEASON.
AND THEN, UM, THAT STRUCTURE ACTUALLY WILL FORCE THE PUBLIC TO KIND OF MOVE INTO THE PAVILION IN A, IN A CLOCKWISE WAY.
THE, UM, COMPASS THAT YOU SEE ON THE FLOOR IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DO IMMEDIATE EDUCATION, UM, RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE WITH, UM, MAPS THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY, EVERYTHING'S ON A GPS OR, AND THERE'S A REAL LOSS OF SENSE OF DIRECTION.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING THAT DIRECTION ON THE FLOOR.
IT'S ALSO A WAY TO QUICKLY GET A SCHOOL BUS INTO NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST AND BREAK UP THE STUDENTS.
SO MY NATURALISTS CAN THEN, UM, WORK WITH SMALLER GROUPS.
THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SEATING AS WELL.
UM, BUT THEN, UH, AND THERE'LL BE A MAP.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'LL BE SOME PANELS THAT WILL HAVE A MAP OF THE PROPERTY.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU ARE.
AND THEN, UM, ELLEN, TO YOUR QUESTION, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO EDUCATION THROUGHOUT, EITHER ON BANNERS
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OR ON THESE PANELS.THAT WILL CHANGE OUT THROUGHOUT THE SEASONS.
THE PAVILION IS AT A HEIGHT OF, I BELIEVE, 17 FEET.
IT'S DEEMED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN THE, THE TOWN, UH, PARKLAND.
THEREFORE IT WOULD NEED, UH, AREA VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING BOARD.
SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL RONAN, AND THE AGENDA ON THE ZBA.
AND THEN THE, THERE ARE SOME STEEP SLOPES ALL OVER THE SITE AND THE AREA IDENTIFIED FOR THE PAVILION.
IT'S UNAVOIDABLE TO NOT DISTURB STEEP SLOPES, THEREFORE A, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE NECESSARY.
SO WE'LL ALSO BE ASSISTING TO GET THE APPLICANT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND THEN WITH THOSE APPROVALS, UM, THEY'LL BE IN GOOD POSITION TO MOVE FORWARD, GET A BUILDING PERMIT, AND GET THIS GREAT PROJECT LAUNCHED.
SOUNDS LIKE THIS WAS WELL THOUGHT OUT,
WELL, THIS PROCESS, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR, FOR THE DESIGN PROCESS AND, AND ALL THE THINKING BEHIND IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR HOW LONG, ALEX? A YEAR, TWO YEARS.
WELL, I DO HAVE TO NOD TO MY, UH, BOARD MEMBER, JIM BLAND HERE, WHO'S HAD THIS IDEA WELL BEFORE I EVEN STARTED AT THE NATURE CENTER.
SO IT'S BEEN UNDER DISCUSSION FOR A WHILE.
IT'S REALLY NICE THAT IT'S COMING TO FRUITION NOW.
BUT YES, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT SINCE OUR CONTRACT RENEWAL, UH, REALLY IN, IN A WAY THAT, UM, GOT US HERE.
SO WE'RE ALMOST TO, UH, IMPLEMENTATION.
SO NOW GARRETT, YOU'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING THE A DU? YES.
I HAVE A HARD COPY OF THE, THE LOCAL LAW DRAFT IN CASE YOU NEED IT.
WOULD YOU EMAIL THAT TO ME? YES.
IF YOU SEARCH INBOX, UH, FRIDAY, UH, AFTERNOON.
UH, BUT JUST TO RECAP, AS THE BOARD KNOWS, UH, TAKING A VERY DELIBERATIVE PROCESS HERE WITH ADUS, UM, WHICH MEANS YOU'VE LISTENED
THERE'S BEEN TWEAKS TO THE LAW THAT HAVE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ARE RESPONSIVE AND HAVE IMPROVED THE LAW.
SO THERE'S BEEN AN EVOLUTION AND IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE LOCAL LAW THAT WAS FIRST PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND AT PRESENT, THERE ARE A FEW ITEMS THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED THAT, UM, THINK DEFINITELY NEED DIRECTION BEFORE WE GO INTO THIS, WHAT COULD BE A LAST PUBLIC HEARING, UH, SO THAT, UH, WE CAN POST A LOCAL LAW WITH CONFIDENCE AND THEN POTENTIALLY CLOSE THAT HEARING AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD CAN VOTE ON.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IF A SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT COMES UP AND YOU NEED MORE TIME AFTER THIS HEARING, YOU HAVE TO CLOSE THE HEARING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING SAID THAT, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TIME.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE, UH, DYNAMICS IN THE LOCAL LAW WHERE THERE, THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME DIFFERENT INPUT FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS.
AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE NOT TOO COMPLEX.
OTHERS ARE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX.
BUT, SO JUST I ISOLATED THREE AREAS, UM, OR JUST WANT TO ENSURE WE HAVE CLARITY OR AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD.
AND, UM, ONE IS ON THE REC FEE AS A REMINDER, UH, THE REC FEE, THERE IS A REC FEE THAT'S IN THE DRAFT LOCAL LAW.
UH, YOU HAD HEARD COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THAT MIGHT BE, UH, A LITTLE CUMBERSOME OR AGGRESSIVE.
AND WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW IS HALF THAT 2,160.
JUST FOR FRAME OF REFERENCE, AGAIN, THE 4 3 2 0 4,320 IS WHAT ANY NEW RENTAL UNIT WOULD PAY ON A REC FEE LEVEL.
IT'S ONE TIME ONLY, JUST A REMINDER.
AND, UM, THAT'S BEEN REDUCED TO 2,160.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND MAYBE I KNOW SUPERVISOR FINER HAS BEEN AN ADVOCATE OF MAYBE NO REC FEE, BUT, UM, IT IS, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW IT'S IN TWO, 2,160 IN THE LOCAL LAW, UH, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANT THAT CHANGED FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS UPCOMING SEPTEMBER 10TH PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING DIRECTION THAT I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOOK FOR.
UM, OR IF YOU DON'T WANNA CHANGE, THAT'S OKAY TOO.
CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES.
BECAUSE I WAS SORT OF THINKING ABOUT IT AFTER I GOT YOUR EMAIL, I GUESS OVER THE WEEKEND OR WHATEVER MM-HMM
UM, WHAT IF WE BASICALLY, UM, WOULD WAIVE THE RECREATION FEE IF, UH, THERE'S A COMMITMENT, UM, BY THE PROPERTY OWNER
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TO MAKE THE UNITS, UH, AFFORDABLE FOR, UM, UM, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UM, UNIT TIME.SO IF THEY, IF THE, IF THE RENTS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THE ADUS ARE, UM, BELOW A CERTAIN AMOUNT, THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO, UH, PAY THE, UM, RECREATION FEE.
BECAUSE AS WE SAID, THE ADUS WE'RE NOT RE IT REALLY IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT'S BASICALLY GIVING PEOPLE A CHANCE TO, UM, RENT OUT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY.
BUT IF WE BASICALLY PROVIDED INCENTIVES, UH, FINANCIAL INCENTIVES, UM, IF THEY HELPED US ADDRESS AFFORDABILITY, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THAT COULD BE, UM, A POSITIVE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE, UM, WE CAN'T REGULATE IF IT, IT'S EITHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR IT'S NOT, AND IT'S NOT AFFORD, IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S HOUSING THAT'S MORE AFFORDABLE.
WE CAN'T REGULATE WHAT THOSE RENTALS ARE.
WE COULD BASICALLY SAY TO THEM IF THEY'RE, IF, IF THEY, UM, BUT IT'S FOR THEIR, BUT IT'S FOR THE FAMILY.
SO IT'S THEIR, IT'S HELPING THEIR HARDSHIP.
WHY WOULD WE, WHY WOULD WE WANNA PUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO IMPEDE ON THEIR HARDSHIPS? BECAUSE BASICALLY IF, IF, IF WE'RE SAYING TO THEM, YES, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN A DU TO HELP YOU FINANCIALLY, WHY ARE WE GONNA TELL THEM TO CAP IT? BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT MONEY TO HELP THEM FINANCIALLY.
SO JUST, I'M JUST BECAUSE, BECAUSE I SEE THE ADUS AS HELPING THE PROPERTY OWNER AND ALSO HELPING, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA MOVE IN BECAUSE, UH, NOT EVERYBODY IS A FAMILY MEMBER.
THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE WHO ARE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FAMILY.
SO I'M SAYING THAT IF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT MANDATING UNDER MY RECOMMENDATIONS ANYTHING, ALL WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT AN A DU ON THEIR PROPERTY AND, UM, THEY'RE WILLING TO, UM, CREATE AN AFFORDABLE UNIT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, HOW ARE WE GONNA DETERMINE WHAT'S AFFORDABLE? HOW COMPLY WITH, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WELL, WHAT, WHAT IS THE ISSUE IS WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE, WHATEVER THE RULES ARE, THE WESTCHESTER RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES, THE HOUSING, HOUSING ACTION COUNCIL, THEY ALL TYPES OF, OF PERCENTAGES.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU, THAT IS' THE SAME, THE SAME GUIDELINES, THEY'RE DIFFERENT GUIDELINES.
BUT WHY ARE WE TAKING THAT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENT IF THAT IS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE GOING INTO AN AT A DU? IT'S NOT, ITS NOT, IT IS TO HELP THE HARDSHIP.
SO IT'S ALL WE'RE DOING IS BASICALLY WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE OPTIONS.
WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE, MAKE IT AFFORDABLE.
WE'RE JUST SAYING IF YOU DO MAKE IT AFFORDABLE, THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE, UM, WE SHOULDN'T BE REGULATING PEOPLE.
I WAS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE REDUCTION IN THE RECREATION FEE, WHICH IS QUITE REDUCED FROM WHAT, WHERE WE ORIGINALLY STARTED OUT.
I DON'T SEE HOW I UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR YOUR PROPOSAL, BUT I DON'T SEE HOW, I HONESTLY DON'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD WORK WITHIN THE OKAY.
LET'S TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS.
SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE LOCAL LAW THAT'S POSTED FOR SEPTEMBER 10TH, WE'LL KEEP THAT 2160.
UM, AND WE DON'T WANT TO, NOBODY ALSO ON THE BOARD WANTS TO REDUCE IT TO NOTHING.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THE FAMILIES, UM, YOU KNOW, BY MAKING, UH, MAKING IT EASIER FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO LIVE HERE, THEN WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO CONSIDER JUST SAYING NO RECREATION FEE, YOU KNOW, NO FEE.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPTION ALSO.
HOW DO YOU RATIONALIZE THAT WHEN WE CHARGE THAT SAME FEE FOR RENTALS? YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S JUST AN, AN OPTION.
AND DO WE WAIVE IT FOR RENTALS AS WELL? YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS TO SUPPORT THE PARK SYSTEM.
I THINK YOU'RE, YOU ARE CONFLATING THE TWO AFFORDABLE AND A DU AND THAT GETS A LITTLE, THAT GETS MESSY AND DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE IN A CONSISTENT WAY.
IS THERE ANY, UM, PRECEDENT FOR THE REDUCTION OF REMOVAL OF A REC FEE AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OR ANYTHING? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
WELL, LET'S START WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THE TOWN OF GREENBURG DOES RESERVE THE RIGHT TO WAIVE THE REC FEE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THE TOWN BOARD HAS BROAD DISCRETION TO, UM, INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND CONCEIVABLY THAT COULD BE WAIVED.
THE PROBLEM IS, AND AGAIN, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT AND THE PHILOSOPHY OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ACROSS.
ULTIMATELY, EVERYTHING HAS TO DONE, BE DONE WITH A PRECISENESS.
SO THE WORK THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO TRACK INCOME QUALIFICATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY NAIL DOWN THAT PRECISENESS OF RENTAL FOR THE ONE TIME FEE OF 21 30 60 21 60, THANK YOU.
IT'S, IT'S JUST, UM, IT, THERE'S SORT OF AN IMBALANCE THERE, IF I COULD SAY THAT.
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RIGHT.THE ONLY REASON, YOU KNOW, I'M BRINGING IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A, IT'S NOT LIKE A DEAL BREAKER IS THAT ADU ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, IT'S NOT, PEOPLE ARE BUILDING ADUS AND BASICALLY THEIR, YOU KNOW, THEIR TAXES ARE GONNA GO UP BECAUSE THE ASSESSMENTS, YOU KNOW, GO UP.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THESE ADDITIONAL COSTS.
AND IF ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO KEEP PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, KEEP SENIORS IN THEIR HOMES IF THEY WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, RENT OUT, YOU KNOW, A UNIT.
IF WE BASICALLY SAID, OKAY, WE'RE WAIVING THE, YOU KNOW, THIS 2160 FEE, THAT 2160 FEE MAY HELP THEM DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO DO AN A DU.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU KEEP ADDING ALL THESE ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, COSTS ON, IT'S GOING TO, WE'RE MAKING IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE, UH, FOR PE YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE PASSING AN A DU, BUT VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE GONNA ACTUALLY, UM, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF ADUS IN WESTCHESTER, UM, YOU'RE NOT GETTING LIKE A LOT OF BUY-INS, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, MILLIONS OF HEARINGS, AND THEN PRACTICALLY NOBODY DOES IT BECAUSE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE.
WELL, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE COULD WHAT CRITERIA ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD WAIVE THAT WOULD, UM, TRIGGER WAIVING THE FEE? WELL, MAYBE WE JUST SAY ANYONE WHO DOESN'T A DU.
UM, THIS IS ONLY, REMEMBER A ONE YEAR LAW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BECAUSE THERE'S A SUNSET PROVISION.
SO WE COULD SAY, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA BE TESTING IT OUT FOR ONE YEAR AND, UH, DURING THE ONE YEAR, THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, NO, YOU KNOW, NO FEE, YOU KNOW, NO, NO FEES.
THE SUPERVISOR IS TALKING ABOUT A BLANKET, UH, A BLANKET ONE FOR EVERYBODY.
REMOVAL OF THE REP FEE AS AN OPTION.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT AS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY WANT TO TEST IT OUT AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO DO IT, MAYBE THAT WOULD, UM, WOULD ENCOURAGE MORE, ENCOURAGE MORE PARTICIPATION.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD BE A NICE THING TO DO.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT THIS A DU, UH, LEGISLATION TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
WELL, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY FINAL DECISIONS ANYWAY BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING TO COME.
SO HERE, MAYBE PEOPLE CAN COMMENT ABOUT THAT HERE.
UM, THE NEXT IS, IS CERTAINLY AN AREA OF FOCUS THAT, THAT HAS BEEN PREVALENT THROUGHOUT THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
AND THAT'S THE, UH, LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT.
AND JUST TO RECAP, THERE'S SORT OF TWO TIERS AND THAT'S HELD FAIRLY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE PROCESS.
AND IT'S A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE EITHER WITHIN THE, THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE OR A FREESTANDING GARAGE CONVERSION.
AND THEN THE SECOND TIER WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 20,000 SQUARE FEET OR HALF ACRE.
AND THAT WOULD BE FOR THE FREESTANDING, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT THAT IS IN A REAR YARD.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, GET A, AN UNDERSTANDING, AGAIN, WHERE A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD IS ON THAT, IF YOU WANNA HOLD TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UH, FELT COMFORTABLE WITH, UH, A LOWER LOT SIZE TO 7,500, BUT I GUESS AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THE DEBATE AT THE DEUS, WANTED TO GET A SENSE, UH, IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE OR IF THE BOARD, UH, IS STILL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT ORIGINAL 10,000, 20,000 SQUARE FOOT TIER, THAT'S OKAY.
AND I WOULD JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE POSTED FOR THE HEARING FOR THE 10TH.
WELL, I'M DEFINITELY MY FEELING SINCE WE HAVE A SUNSET CLAUSE THAT IT, IT EASIER TO REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AFTER A YEAR RATHER THAN INCREASE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT AFTER A A YEAR WE WILL BE DOING A LOOK BACK AND MAY MAKING, UH, POTENTIALLY MAKING REVISIONS BASED ON OUR NEWLY FOUND EXPERIENCE.
I'M GOING TO AGAIN, VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR REDUCING IT TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET BASED ON, UM, ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED AND WHAT I THINK IS, YOU KNOW, A GREATER SENSE OF EQUITY FOR PEOPLE IN, IN CREATING THE ADUS.
SO, GARY, CAN YOU JUST, WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
I DUNNO WHAT THEN, AND I WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT THE LEVELS OF THERE, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH REGARDS TO THE LEVELS, OR IF WE DID, IF IT AT 75, IF 75, 7 0.5 R, 7.5, WOULD THERE BE RESTRICTIONS? BECAUSE COME WITH THAT IS SMALLER LOTS, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE CHALLENGES FOR PARKING AND THEN YOU HAVE OTHER, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE TALK ABOUT REDUCING IT.
WAS IT REALLY GONNA BE STILL EQUITABLE FOR EVERYONE? IS EVERYONE STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT IF THERE'S GONNA BE FACED WITH OTHER, OTHER LAWS THAT OF THE TOWN? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE WE'RE CLEAR, RIGHT? IF THERE WAS A REDUCTION OF 70,500 SQUARE FEET, AND LET'S JUST SAY THAT THAT WAS FOR, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WITHIN
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THE HOME AND NO ADDITION TO A FOOTPRINT, IF THAT WAS A CHANGE THAT THE BOARD SUPPORTED, UH, OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE LOCAL LAW WOULD HOLD CONSTANT SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE THAT YOU WOULD REDUCE THE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT, NOTHING ELSE WOULD CHANGE IN THE LAW.ALL THE OTHER RULES WOULD BE IN EFFECT.
UM, BUT THOSE RESIDENTS WHO HAD THE SMALLER LOT COULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND SEE IF THEY QUALIFIED BASED ON OTHER WOULD STILL HAVE TO ASPECTS.
YEAH, OF COURSE THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING A THIRD LEVEL? SO IF IT'S AN IN-HOME, UH, ADDITION, THAT COULD QUALIFY UNDER 7,500 FEET.
AND IF IT'S IN ADDITION TO THE BUILDING ITSELF, THAT WOULD HAVE TO REQUIRE 10,000 FEET.
AND THEN THE, A SEPARATE BUILDING WOULD BE 20,000 FOOT MINIMUM, OR I'M NOT STANDING THERE.
WELL, IN GENERAL, COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON WAS ASKING, YOU KNOW, ARE RIGHT NOW WHAT I INITIALLY DESCRIBED, THE 10,000 AND THE 20,000 SQUARE FOOT WAS ESSENTIALLY LIKE A TWO-TIER SYSTEM.
THERE'S ONLY TWO VARIABLES, TWO, TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UH, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS JUST TO REALLY UNDERSTAND JUST ANY OTHER OPTIONS OF FLEXIBILITY.
UM, AND YOU KNOW WHAT I COULD THINK OF, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF IS, IS IF IF THERE WAS A 7,500 AND THAT WAS FOR, LET'S SAY THE HOME ONLY AND NOT A GARAGE CONVERSION, UM, THAT WOULD BE A STEP TOWARDS 7,500 WITHOUT, UM, INCLUDING THE, THE GARAGES.
UM, BUT IT'S REALLY UP TO WHATEVER THE BOARD FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH YOU, YOU, YOU RESERVE THE RIGHT TO, UM, SET ANY STANDARD, WHETHER IT'S FOR CONVERSIONS OF A GARAGE AND A HOME.
UM, IT'S REALLY, REALLY WHAT THE BOARD FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH.
YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE TOWN TO PARTICIPATE IN THE AD BECAUSE THERE'S PEOPLE, RIGHT? IF IF YOU HAVE THE, IF IT'S ONLY ALLOWED FOR PEOPLE WITH LARGER, UH, PROPERTIES, BASICALLY WE'RE HELPING THE PEOPLE IN THE WEALTHIEST SECTIONS OF THE TOWN WHO HAVE THE LARGEST, UH, AMOUNT OF LAND.
AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE, UM, UM, REDUCE IT, THEN WE'RE OPENING UP ADU AS AN OPTION FOR, UM, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN, PEOPLE WHO ARE LOWER INCOME, WHO HAVE SMALLER HOMES, WHO REALLY, UM, UH, COULD BENEFIT FROM, FROM ADUS.
AND AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE THESE PARKING RESTRICTIONS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER RESTRICTIONS.
SO WE'RE NOT BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE GONNA DESTROY A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY STILL WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE IN THERE.
BUT AGAIN, IT JUST SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS OPEN TO EVERYBODY IN THE TOWN.
WELL, EVERYONE BIGGER THAN 75.
NO, YOU OPEN UP TO THE TOWN, BUT BUT YOU'RE NOT OPENING UP TO THE TOWN, RIGHT? THAT'S, YEAH.
YOU'RE NOT, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU WON'T BE NO, I LIVE IN A CONDO, SO THERE BE NO ED, BUT SO YOU SAY IT'LL OPEN UP TO EVERYBODY, TWO MORE PEOPLE IN THE TOWN, MORE, CERTAINLY NOT EVERYONE ALL.
SO PEOPLE IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONE.
UM, BUT I THINK ELLEN, UH, VOICED MY OPINION AS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A LEARNING PROCESS HERE AND IT'S A LOT HARDER TO TAKE SOMETHING AWAY ONCE YOU'VE GIVEN IT.
IF WE FIND OUT THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE, I'VE ALWAYS STRESSED THE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY ZONES LOOK LIKE DOB CHERRY ROAD BETWEEN ONE 19 AND STADIUM ROAD, UH, WITH JUST CARS PARKED THE CAT, VERY LITTLE GRASS.
UM, AND WE HAVE TO LEARN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT HAPPEN? ONE OF THE WAYS OF POSSIBLY DOING THAT IS THAT, UH, A REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO EXPANSION OF THE, OF A LEGAL DRIVEWAY THAT CAN'T BE ILLEGAL DRIVEWAY, BUT A LEGAL DRIVEWAY, PREEXISTING LEGAL DRIVEWAY THAT'S NOT EXPANDED.
AND WE COULD PICK A DATE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME LAST YEAR.
SO IT'S NOT BEING EXPANDED AND TAKING AWAY GRASS TO PUT PARKING.
BUT THESE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO REALLY WORK THROUGH.
AND THAT'S WHY I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF DOING AN ANALYSIS OF THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER A YEAR.
SO THEN I, AND, BUT I ALSO, YES, I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I THINK ALSO I GET CONCERNED WHEN WE SAY THE, THAT YOU, YOU BROUGHT UP DOS FAIR ROAD, THEN ARE YOU SAYING THAT ANYONE WHO HAS AN A DU AT 7.5, THAT MEANS THE PERSON WHO WAS RENTING THAT A DU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PARK THERE BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING OR THEY AND I, AND, AND, AND I KNOW I'M NOT JUST BASING SOME PARKING.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE PUT FORTH IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZED BY, ALL RIGHT, WE
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KNOW IT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED BY ALL JUST 'CAUSE THE LOT SIZE OF WHATEVER CASE MAY, BUT WE JUST DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING UP AND DO A WINDOW DRESS AND SAY, HEY, LOOK WHAT WE HAVE.AND THEN PEOPLE CAN NOT BENEFIT FROM IT.
THOSE FOR THE, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE, FOR FOR RESIDENTS OR FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'RE JUST REFERRING TO.
SO FOR THE, THE TIGHTER NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MINE, I LIVE IN, I LIVE ON JUNIPER HILL FOR THAT TIGHTER NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO PARKING.
I COULDN'T HAVE AN A DU ON JUNIPER HILL.
SO IF I'M NOT ABLE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO PUT ONE IN, IN AND REPURPOSE THE GARAGE FOR IT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF MY DRIVEWAY, I MAY BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT NO ONE ELSE IS ABLE TO DO THAT ON, ON, ON MY STREET.
NOT EVERYONE IS ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M ABOUT EQUITY, I'M ABOUT MAKING SURE WE'RE FAIR ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYONE AND EVERYONE CAN TRY TO, BEN CAN BENEFIT FROM IT, NOT TRY, BUT BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM IT.
WE CAN, WE CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT COMES AND CONTINUE TO HEAR.
AND, AND AGAIN, WE WANNA CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS, UM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE DO IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED.
I DON'T WANNA, I, I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IN JUST WENDELL DRESSING JUST TO SAY, OH, LOOK WHAT WE HAVE.
BUT THEN YOU SAY, COUNCILMAN JACKSON OAK AND ANY OF US ON THE BOARD AND SAY, BUT I CAN'T UTILIZE THAT.
I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, IF I GO DOWN, IF I GO DOWN, UH, GIBSON AVENUE, IF I, I'LL JUST USE MYSELF.
IF I GO DOWN JUNIPER HILL, I CAN'T, I CAN'T RENT THERE.
WELL THAT IS ALWAYS GONNA BE A CONUNDRUM.
'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME ROADS IN THE TOWN WHERE, UM, I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT WHOLE BLOCK, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY DISCOURAGED SOMEONE TO, TO APPLY FOR AN A DU JUST KNOWING, UH, THAT IT'S ONE OF THOSE RARE STREETS IN THE TOWN THAT ARE, HAVE AN EXTREME, UH, UH, LACK OF WIDTH.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE SAME FOR A 10 THOUSANDS SQUARE FOOT LOT THOUGH, UNFORTUNATELY.
THAT'S GONNA BE THE SAME PROCESS FOR A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
THERE'RE GONNA BE SOME THAT ARE GONNA BE EXCLUDED BECAUSE OF THE OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE PARKING.
SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T SEE WHY IT'S NECESSARY TO KEEP IT AT, NOT TO REDUCE, BUT IT'S MUCH LESS LIKELY, MUCH LESS LIKELY.
'CAUSE WITH 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LIFE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE FRONTAGE MAYBE.
RIGHT? NOT EVERYBODY'S WELL, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE, BUT IF, IF WE DID WHAT JOY IS RECOMMENDING, UM, AGAIN, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A DARY ROAD SITUATION BECAUSE, BECAUSE THERE'S ALL THESE PARKING, UH, RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD, THAT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, RIGHT? YES.
THERE'S NO WAY, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAIVER FOR THE PARKING.
SO THERE'S NO WAY, THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THEM FROM TAKING THE GRASS AND PAVING OVER IT AS LONG AS THEY KEEP IT UNDER 30 FEET.
I THOUGHT WE DID HAVE A PROVISION.
THERE, THERE ARE SOME, UH, SOME PROVISIONS THAT, UH, NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT, BUT THAT, THAT THOSE CODE CHANGES AREN'T COMING YET.
SO THERE ARE UNDERSTOOD, THERE, THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS HERE THAT, UM, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE NATURE IN WHICH ONE DESIGNS THEIR FRONT YARD, UH, WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
SO WE, THE GOAL IS TO BE AS PROTECTIVE OF AS POSSIBLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER WITHOUT, UM, TOTALLY ABANDONING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY RULES.
THE ONE THING I DO WANNA ASSURE THE BOARD IS THAT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WILL LOG, YOU WILL HAVE A LOT OF DATA AFTER YEAR ONE IF THERE'S FIVE APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN, NO, NO APPLICATIONS OR 20 APPLICATIONS.
YOU'LL RECEIVE DATA AND FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING REAL TIME FROM EVERY PHONE CALL FROM RESIDENTS.
SO IF SOMEONE CALLS UP AND SAYS, UM, WOW, THIS IS, I REALLY WANNA DO THIS, BUT THAT REC FEE IS, IS A DEAL BREAKER FOR ME.
I WILL AT LEAST, OR SOMEONE IN MY DEPARTMENT WILL LOG THAT AND WE'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THAT CALL COMES IN, JUST SO YOU HAVE THAT AFTER YEAR ONE.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M NOT ABSOLUTELY LOOKING FOR A FINAL, FINAL ANSWER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA RESPECT THE PROCESS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, JUST RECALL THAT, UM, IF THERE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU CLOSE THAT HEARING, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, YOU HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO DISCUSS THESE THINGS IN A WORK SESSION.
WHEREAS IF YOU CLOSE THE HEARING AND THEN YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU WANNA DEBATE AND THEN ACTUALLY MAKE A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO THE LAW AFTER THE HEARING'S CLOSED, WE KIND OF HAVE TO GO BACKWARDS AND REOPEN THE HEARING.
SO AT SOME POINT TO KIND OF CLOSE THE FEEDBACK LOOP, IT IS HELPFUL TO, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU ALL TO, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS WHAT YOU'VE HEARD AND, AND, AND DISCUSS WHAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
I, I THINK WE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS, I THINK SAY WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON IT, UH, VOTE ON SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO BECAUSE, UM, I SAW, OR A MONTH AND A HALF BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR LIKE SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A ONE YEAR SUNSET CLAUSE, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST DO SOMETHING AS YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WANTS, UH, THEN WE COULD GET, WE COULD ENACT SOME A DU LAWS AND THEN WE COULD TEST IT OUT AND AT THE END OF THE YEAR WE COULD ALWAYS MODIFY IT.
YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THIS WITH FAMILY FRIENDLY.
AND THEN, THEN I JUST HAD ONE LAST, UH, CATEGORY, WHICH IS THE, UH,
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THE APPLICATION CAP.SO, UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK TO THAT AND WE'LL GET INTO THE THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE.
UM, THERE, THERE WERE NUMEROUS COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS AT THE, UH, HEARINGS FOR ADUS THAT, UH, THIS LAW DID NOT APPEAR, UH, TO BE FRIENDLY TO THOSE THAT HAD FAMILY MEMBERS AND TO THOSE THAT COULD MAKE MODEST CHANGES TO THEIR UNIT.
AND THERE WERE SOME UPDATES THAT WERE INCORPORATED INTO, I THINK THE LAST TWO VERSIONS OF THE LAW.
AND AS YOU RECALL, THOSE INCLUDED, UH, UPDATED DEFINITION OF THE TERM FAMILY.
AND THEN, UH, A, A A DIFFERENT PROCESS, WHICH WAS MORE, UH, ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL FOR THAT TYPE.
UM, WHAT HAS BEEN UPDATED IN THIS LOCAL LAW.
AND THERE WAS FEEDBACK FROM SOME TO SAY, UM, THAT THAT'S SORT OF A DIFFERENT, UH, MODEL THAN THE TRADITIONAL ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
SO, UH, WHAT WHAT WE DID IS WE ACTUALLY DIALED BACK A, A, A NUMBER OF THOSE PROVISIONS AND THAT INCLUDED THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY, WHICH NO LONGER IS, IS, IS INTENDED TO BE SHOWN FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 10TH.
UH, BUT HAVING SAID THAT, UH, THOSE TYPE OF, THAT, THAT DISCUSSION AND THAT THAT TYPE OF USE, UH, FOR HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK THAT WITH THE LOOMING 2 85 CHAPTER 2 85 CHANGES, WHICH, UH, ARE IN THE WORKS AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR QUITE SOME TIME, 2 85 IS OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, TWO FIVE CHAPTER ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, IT WILL MAKE SENSE TO REVISIT A LOT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT THAT TIME.
BUT, UM, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU RAISED THAT 'CAUSE I WAS ALMOST, UH, GONNA FORGET TO PRESENT THAT AT THIS TIME.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE TAKEN OUT OF HERE, PUT INTO ANOTHER YES.
SO THIS, WHICH WILL HAVE ITS OWN PUBLIC HEARING IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS, THIS DOES REPRESENT THE MORE TRADITIONAL, UH, A DU LOCAL LAW.
I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS GETTING TOO CONFUSING OR IT WASN'T UNDERSTOOD, OR WE WEREN'T EXPLAINING IT PROPERLY, SO WE JUST TOOK IT OUT.
AND THEN LASTLY, ON THE CAP, SOME COMMUNITIES ABSOLUTELY DO HAVE A COMM, UH, CAP ON THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT IT RECEIVES.
SOME PUT A TOTAL, AND ONCE X AMOUNT OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ARE APPROVED, THEN, THEN THE, THE LAW SUNSETS, UM, WHAT WE HAVE THE, THE ONE YEAR SUNSET CLAUSE, WHICH, UM, IS IN THE LOCAL LAW.
BUT THEN AS FAR AS APPLICATION CAP, THE LOCAL LAW AUTHORIZES THE TOWN BOARD TO SET AN ANNUAL CAP.
THAT CAP NUMBER'S NOT GONNA BE IN THE LOCAL LAW, BUT WHAT IT DOES IS AUTHORIZE YOU TO SET A CAP.
SO IT GIVES THE BOARD A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE TO CHANGE IT.
NOW HAVING SAID THAT, WE'RE GONNA REVISIT THE LAW IN A YEAR, SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAYBE DISCUSS THAT AGAIN.
BUT NONETHELESS, IT DOES ENABLE YOU WITH THAT J THAT DISCRETION.
SO I'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT, UH, A CAP NUMBER AND TO THE SUPERVISOR'S COMMENTS, IT IS A REALITY THAT, UH, THERE'S NOT A RUSH OF A DU APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN OTHER WESTCHESTER COMMUNITIES, UM, ANYWHERE IT SEEMS LIKE FROM ONE TO THREE OR WHAT ARE APPROVED IN, IN MANY OF THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING VILLAGES OF THE TOWN.
SO I THINK THE NUMBER 15 SEEMS INTUITIVELY TO ME, LIKE A, LIKE A, A GOOD BALANCE.
I DON'T THINK THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL RECEIVE 15 A DU APPLICATIONS IN THE FIRST YEAR.
UM, BUT I THINK IF THREE IS TYPICAL, WHY 15? SO I, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
BUT IF THE NUMBER'S SO LOW, I THINK IT ALMOST PUTS OUT A, UH, NEGATIVE CONNOTATION PUTS OUT A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION.
AND, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THIS CONCEPT, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T WANT RESIDENTS TO GET AIDA AND SAY, OH MY GOODNESS, THE TOWN SET A CAP OF THREE OR FIVE.
UH, I BET I DON'T EVEN WANNA DO AN A DU, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, LET ME GET MY FOOT IN THE DOOR IN CASE I CHANGE MY MIND AND ACTUALLY RUSH AN APPLICATION IN, YOU KNOW, WITH A, WITH A NUMBER LIKE 15.
I THINK IT'S, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'LL INDUCE ANY TYPE OF LIKE, RACE STRATEGIES AMONGST RESIDENTS, UM, A RACE TO GET YOUR APPLICATION IN.
SO IT JUST INTUITIVELY JUMPS OUT TO ME AS A GOOD BALANCED NUMBER.
UM, AND IF PEOPLE THAT, SO WHAT, I'M SORRY, I JUST DON'T WANNA LOSE THIS QUESTION.
SO WHAT IF, WHAT IF YOU GET PEOPLE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CAP? AND WHEN I SAY CAP, LET ME BE CLEAR.
IS IF YOU GIVE 15 APPLICATIONS, IS IT A BUILDING PERMIT? YOU GOTTA HAVE TO HAVE 15 BUILDING PERMITS IN ORDER TO ALLOW ANOTHER APPLICATION.
LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS THE CAP? LIKE WHAT CAN YOU DEFINE CAP? I WOULD RE SAY I WOULD RECOMMEND CAP AS, UH, 15 IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCEPTED FORMAL APPLICATION.
UH, CALLING UP AND SAYING I HAVE INTEREST WILL NOT, UM, GIVE YOU A VESTED RIGHT.
ACTUALLY FILING AN APPLICATION WILL, UH, IF IT, IF IT SO HAPPENS THAT 15 APPLICATIONS ARE SUBMITTED IN THE FIRST FOUR MONTHS, I'LL CERTAINLY BE LETTING YOU KNOW THAT
BUT, UM, IS THAT AN APPLICATION TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? THE APPLICATION WILL GO TO C, D AND C, UH, AND THEN THAT IT WOULD THIS CD AND C COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION.
WHICH WILL THEN ROUTE THAT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT
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FOR VARIANCE REVIEW, UH, AND CODE COMPLIANCE REVIEW.UH, AND THEN, AND THEN THE APPLICATION WILL GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO, UH, SO ONCE SOMEBODY FILLS OUT AN APPLICATION, RIGHT, UM, LET'S SAY WE CHANGE THE LAW A YEAR LATER, UM, ARE THEY VESTED BECAUSE THEY ALREADY FILLED OUT THE APPLICATION? UM, IF WE CHANGE THE LAW, RIGHT? RIGHT.
I I LET'S SAY THAT AFTER THE YEAR, THE EXTREME WOULD BE THE TOWN BOARD SAYS, OKAY, THE A WE'VE HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE EXPERIENCE HASN'T BEEN GREAT, UH, AND YOU NO LONGER WANNA EXTEND THE, THE A DU LAW.
UH, I DO THINK IF SOMEONE HAS A COMPLETE APPLICATION AND THEY WOULD HAVE A VESTED RIGHT.
AND I THINK YOU WOULD BUILD THAT INTO THE, UH, I THOUGHT WE DID.
I THOUGHT IT'S IN THE LANGUAGE.
UH, YOUR HONOR, I JUST HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE, UM, THE SUNSET PROVISION THAT WAS LONG.
THEY GET THE APPLICATION IN, WE STAY ALL WITH, WITH THE APPLICA WITH THE 15, UM, APPLICATION LIMIT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE APPLICATIONS MIGHT NOT BE VIABLE.
AND NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD KNOW.
SO SETTING IT AS 15 APPLICATIONS SEEMS TO ME TO MAYBE NOT BE THE, THE, UM, BEST OPTION.
I, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO BE 15 VIABLE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT GARRETT JUST SAID.
THAT'S, SO THAT'S FULL FEES, PAID, UH, ENGINEERED PLANS, STAMP AND SEALED.
THAT'S TO BE CLEAR, RIGHT? UM, RIGHT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO ELABORATE ON THAT.
SO WE CAN GIVE OUT A HUNDRED APPLICATIONS, BUT THE 15 HAS TO BE APPROVED.
15 HAS TO BE FILED, FILED, FILED.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS EVERY TIME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE PLANNING PROCESS FOR ANYTHING, IT ALWAYS TAKES MONTHS TO DO ANYTHING.
SO THE THING IS, IF WE HAVE A ONE YEAR SUNSET PROVISION, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEBODY, LET'S SAY WE PASS THE LAW, UM, ALL THE SUNSET PROVISION DOESN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IF IT'S IN PROCESS, THAT'S CONSIDERED
THE SUNSET PROVISION IS FROM THE DAY WE ADOPT THE APPLICATIONS, BUT THE PROVISION DOESN'T, SAYS WE'RE NOT GONNA DENY THE APPLICATION.
THOSE APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PROCESSED AND FILED DON'T COUNT FOR THIS ONSET.
NO, YOU, NO, YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT.
BUT THE, ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THE SUNSET PROVISION SAYS THAT THIS LAW EXPIRES A YEAR FROM, UH, THE TIME THE LEGISLATION'S APPROVED.
IF, IF WE APPROVE THIS, SAY OCTOBER 1ST, UM, BY TIME PEOPLE ACTUALLY HIRE AN ARCHITECT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S DO ALL THE APPROVAL.
IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE MONTHS.
SO THE THING IS, WE'RE NOT GONNA REALLY, THE CHANCES OF GETTING, UM, AN A DU IN PLACE WITHIN THE FIRST YEAR, YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FISCALLY IN THE GROUND.
IF THEY HAVE AN APPROVAL, IF THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION IN AFTER OCTOBER 1ST, 2026, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COULD BE PROCESSING THAT BUILDING PERMIT AND THEY COULD BILL 2027.
NO, BUT EVEN IF YOU DIS DISCONTINUE, BUT THAT MIGHT NOT BE ENOUGH TIME TO COLLECT THE DATA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK AFTER A YEAR YOU'LL HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF DATA.
I ACTUALLY DO, I THINK WE'LL KNOW HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED.
AND THEN, UH, I'M ALSO GONNA LET THE BOARD KNOW HOW THE PROCESS GOES.
IF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE VOLATILE.
IT'S NOT A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE.
UH, I WILL BE LETTING YOU KNOW,
I DON'T THINK THAT'LL BE THE CASE, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA GET A VARIETY OF DATA, RIGHT? I MEAN, IS THERE ANY ADVANTAGE TO HAVING SAY, A TWO YEAR SUNSET CLOSED BECAUSE THE BOARD THEN WOULD HAVE MORE DATA AND MORE EXPERI MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE THERE'LL BE COMPLETED UNITS THEORETICALLY.
I MIGHT AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
HOWEVER, I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO REASSESS WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONNA LOWER THE, UH, LOT SIZE MINIMUM.
IF THAT'S HOW WE, I SUGGEST WE MAY WANT TO AMEND THE SUNSET CLAUSE TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IF IT'S NOT COMPLETED IN TIME, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'LL BE REMOVAL OF THE STRUCTURE.
UH, YOU COULD PROBABLY ADD JUST ONE QUICK SENTENCE, WHICH WE COULD WORK ON OKAY.
AS I READ IT AND COUNCILMAN SHEEN'S COMMENT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE JUST FLESHED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO WE'LL DO THAT IN ADVANCE TO SEPTEMBER 10TH.
SO THAT'S THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING DATE.
AND UH, WE WILL SEPTEMBER 10TH.
UH, YOU ALSO MENTIONED TO ME, UH, WE HAD IN MARCH THE, THE FARMER'S, THE FARMER CAME IN AND SAID HE WAS INTERESTED IN DOING A FARMER'S MARKET IN HARTSDALE, AND YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAPPENED, BUT, UM, UH, OH, HE BASICALLY, HE BASICALLY, UH, IS INTERESTED IN, UM, STARTING IT THE FIRST WEEK AFTER FIRST SATURDAY AFTER LABOR DAY.
SO YOU'RE CLOSING THIS TOPIC TO TALK ABOUT, ARE YOU CLOSING THIS TOPIC TO TALK? YEAH.
BUT THE PROBLEM THAT, PLEASE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS HE WANTS TO OPEN, START THE FARMER'S MARKET ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
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SATURDAY AFTER LABOR DAY, WE'RE NOT HAVING A TOWN BOARD MEETING.AND, UH, HE SUBMITTED A CONTRACT, UH, TO, TO GARRETT.
HE ALREADY MET WITH THE TOWN BOARD IN MARCH.
THIS IS THE SAME, THE SAME PERSON.
UM, HE HAS INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD, UH, SAY TO GARRETT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN BASICALLY WE, WE DON'T WANNA DISCOURAGE HIM FROM HAVING THE FARMER'S MARKET BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY WANTED IT.
SO DID HE HAVE A RATIONALE WHY HE COULDN'T START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON? HE DID.
SO I WILL SAY JOEY, UH, CATONA, HE, HE WAS REMAINED IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH ME THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
AND HE WAS VERY ADAMANT THAT HE DIDN'T WANNA DO THE MARKET UNLESS HE WAS REALLY READY.
HE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A MARKET THAT WASN'T RUNNING ON ALL CYLINDERS.
SO HE HAS THE FARMERS LINED UP.
UH, HE'S IN COMMUNICATION WITH SOME OF THE, THE VENDORS THAT WERE THERE PRIOR.
AND IT'S, AT THIS DATE, HE FIRST FELT COMFORTABLE THAT HE WOULD PUT SOMETHING OUT THAT HE WOULD BE PROUD OF.
DID HE KNOW WHAT OUR SCHEDULE WAS? I MEAN, WE JUST, 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE PRO, WE HAVE A PROCESS.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO DEVIATE FROM PROCESS, SO WE JUST NEED TO, I JUST NEED, YEAH.
SO I, I WOULD PUT UP A RESOLUTION FOR THE BOARD.
IT WOULD JUST BE, UM, TWO DAYS AFTERWARDS.
UM, BUT YOU WOULD'VE FULL KNOWLEDGE OF MEANING? UH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT IDEAL, BUT, YOU KNOW, OH, I THINK IT'S WORTH GIVING A SHOT IF WE CAN, BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF LIKE A LITTLE TEST CASE OF HOW HE CAN HANDLE A FARMER'S MARKET AND WOULD WE RENEW FOR THE NEXT SEASON, NEXT YEAR OR WHATEVER, RIGHT.
WHEN START AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON.
SO WE GONNA DO THAT FOR EVERYONE THAT WE JUST WANNA BE WHEN WE START DEVIATING AGAINST OUR POLICY AND OUR PROCEDURE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE FOR ANYTHING THAT COMES UP THAT NEEDS TO GO BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD MEETING, HAVE A RESOLUTION IN PLACE.
ARE WE GONNA DO THAT FOR EVERYTHING? WELL, I WOULDN'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, I THINK
THINK, AND I'M NOT DISCOURAGING HIM.
I THINK MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE THE DIFFERENTIATOR.
UM, I, WELL, UH, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I DON'T LIKE HAVING SPECIAL MEETINGS BETWEEN THE MEETINGS, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE ONE ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE CLE OLIVER DEDICATION.
I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR THAT.
AND MAYBE WE COULD, AT THAT SPECIAL MEETING, DO THIS.
DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF, IS THAT DATE SOLIDIFIED WHAT THE CLE OLIVER, THE, THE SPECIAL MEETING DATE THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF? UH, NEXT TUESDAY.
SO WE WOULD MAKE THIS A SPECIAL MEETING RESOLUTION.
THE, YEAH, NEXT TUESDAYS WOULD BE SECOND WOULD BE, UH, THE NINTH, SECOND, THE, I KNOW, I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE I'M HERE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD PUT THIS ON A RESOLUTION FOR SEPTEMBER 2ND AS, UM, TO AUTHORIZE THE FARMER'S MARKET TO BEGIN SEPTEMBER, WHAT IS IT, SIXTH, SEVENTH, 17TH? NO, HE WANTS TO START ON SATURDAY.
OH, SATURDAY IS THE 13TH, I THINK.
OH, THE NIGHT HE, HE'S LOOKING TO DO THE 7TH OF SEPTEMBER.
OH, REALLY? THE FIRST SATURDAY AFTER, UH, LABOR DAY WEEKEND.
OH, YOU'RE DOING, YOU WERE YOU'RE SAYING A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE NINTH, THE DAY BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETING? NO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEPTEMBER WE MEET IS NEXT TUESDAY? NO, AFTER NEXT TUESDAY.
SO WE WOULD SECOND OH, THE SECOND.
SO WE COULD CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE HIM AT THE MEETING BY ZOOM OR IN PERSON? HE WOULD, I'M SURE HE WOULD MAKE HIMSELF AVAILABLE.
MAKE SURE WE GOT, I THINK THAT'S, UM, I THINK THAT'S, WE STILL HAVE TO REVIEW THE CONTRACT.
I MEAN, THERE'S STILL A CONTRACT REVIEW PERIOD.
SO IS THERE A CHANGE? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS WOULD BE CHANGED, BUT DO WE HAVE AN INITIAL CONTRACT THAT WAS REVIEWED AT ALL BEFORE, BUT JOE HAS TO REVIEW THE, JUST REVIEW TO REVIEW, REVIEW THE CONTRACT.
YEAH, I WILL SAY IF I COULD GET THAT IN WORD FORMAT.
IT'S NOT COOPERATING WITH MY COMPUTER.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE ON ADUS? YOU'RE ON A ROLL,
SEEKING YOUR SUPPORT TO PUT, PUT OUT, PUT A GRANT TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY FOR, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, 750,000, PERHAPS A MILLION FOR DOBBS EAST WEST HARSDALE AVENUE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS.
I THINK MANY OF YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE COUNTY HAS $15 MILLION COMPLETE STREETS FUNDS AND, UM, THE EAST WEST HARSDALE AVENUE PROJECT IS IN ADVANCED DESIGN.
IT'S, IT'S SET TO GO TO BID LATER THIS YEAR, FIRST QUARTER NEXT YEAR, AND START CONSTRUCTION IN 2026.
THIS COUNTY GRANT IS, UH, I LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA, THAT PROJECT FITS IT.
AND THIS WOULD BUFFER THE TOWN AGAINST, UH, OVER MATCHING WHAT IT'S ALREADY REPRESENTED.
SO IN SHORT, LOOKING TO GET AS MUCH PUBLIC FUNDING TO OFFSET THE TOWN'S, UH, COST ON THAT, ON THAT PROJECT.
AND, UM, I KNOW THE TOWN COULD PUT IN A, A VERY VIABLE APPLICATION
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FOR THAT.SO I'LL PUT A RESOLUTION OFF OF THE 10TH IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
NUMBER 21 IS WHERE GARRETT, AS LONG AS THEY GET THEIR APPLICATION AND THEIR GRANDFATHER YES.
ONE, IT WOULD OFFSET THE TOWN MATCH SOME DEGREE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO QUICK FUNDING, QUICK FUNDING BREAKDOWN, $5 MILLION, UH, TAP GRANT, THAT'S, UH, FEDERAL FUNDING IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, THERE'S A SAM GRANT THAT THE TOWN'S WORKING ON, THAT'S ANOTHER $500,000.
UH, THE TOWN HAD A MATCH ON THE TAP GRANT OF, I THINK ON THE ORDER OF 2 MILLION.
AND I'M LOOKING AT ALL THESE NUMBERS WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT, THEY'RE DOING THEIR FINAL BUDGETING, AND I, I, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, IT'S GONNA BE A MILLION DOLLAR REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY.
THE TOWN WAS OVER MATCHING ON THE TAP GRANT.
SO, UM, THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL MATCH FROM THE TOWN.
SO REALLY THIS IS JUST TAKING AWAY THE POTENTIAL FOR THE TOWN FOR ME, COMING BACK, ASKING FOR MORE TOWN TAX DOLLARS.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE IN, LET'S, LET'S THINK ABOUT THIS
YEAH, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T LISTEN IT SUPPORTIVE.
IN A PERFECT WORLD, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE MORE FUNDS AND I WOULD COME TO YOU WITH THREE OPTIONS AND WE WOULD GO AFTER ALL THREE.
IT'S JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA BE, I DON'T THINK THE TOWN SHOULD SUBMIT MORE THAN ONE APPLICATION.
THIS SEEMS LIKE A GREAT CANDIDATE WE SUPPORT.
SO IN THE EFFECT, SIR, GO AHEAD, ELLEN.
SO I'M SORRY, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT HEARING ALL COMPLETELY, BUT THE, THE QUESTION I WAS REALLY ASKING IS THAT YOU AN ARE YOU ANTICIPATING CROSS ADDITIONAL TO WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN IN GRANTS AND WE HAVE ALLOCATED, UH, WE'VE AGREED TO AS MATCH GRANTS, YES.
THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL COSTS, NOT ADDIT, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, INFLATIONARY TYPE CONCERNS, UM, RIGHT ACROSS THE BOARD, JUST THE TIME THAT IT'S ELAPSED.
I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE TOWN HAS AN ADEQUATE, UH, POT OF, OF FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE, YEAH.
SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS ABSOLUTELY YES.
SO THIS IS ANTHONY VETERANS PARK AND, UH, THE PROPOSAL AND WHICH FROM THE SOLAR PROVIDER AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE AT THIS TIME.
THE CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT TRUMP DOESN'T BELIEVE IN SOLAR AND DOESN'T BELIEVE IN WIND POWER, DOESN'T BELIEVE IN ALL THESE, AND THERE'S A LOT OF FINANCIAL INCENTIVES THAT ARE BASICALLY GOING DOWN.
SO WE BASICALLY, UM, HAD, UM, WELL AGREED ABOUT A YEAR AGO TO PUT SOLAR CANOPIES AT THE TOWN PARKING, UM, CANOPIES AT THE TOWN HALL, WHICH THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, I GUESS, NEXT MONTH.
ACTUALLY, I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A CONTRACTUAL ELEMENT OF THIS.
I THINK YOUR DISCUSSION'S GREAT, AND I THINK WE CAN, UH, I'M JUST BE TRANSPARENT AT THE NEXT MEETING, GIVE AN UPDATE, BUT I, I DO THINK, UH, WE SHOULD DISCUSS THIS IN A, ABOUT THE NEXT HALF HOUR OR WHENEVER YOU GO BACK THERE.
I'M JUST NERVOUS THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SOLAR.
NOT THAT WE DON'T WANNA DISCUSS IT, IT'S JUST THAT THIS ISN'T THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO DISCUSS IT EXACTLY.
NO, WE, LET'S DISCUSS IT AFTER WE HAVE IRON THAT OUT.
WE COULD DISCUSS IT NEXT WEEK IF YOU WANT.
NO, I'M THINKING TONIGHT AND THEN, OH, WE DISCUSS IT TONIGHT.
AND THEN DO IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM AFTER THAT DISCUSSION.
WHAT, SO THE SPECIAL MEETING IS GONNA BE FIVE 30 AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL CALL, UM, ON TUESDAY AND YOU'LL, YOU'LL, UH, CONTACT JOE AND ASK HIM IF HE COULD, UM, PARTICIPATE BY ZOOM OR IN PERSON.
UH, NEXT, UM, SORRY THAT YOU WERE WAITING FOR AN HOUR.
NEXT IS, UH, GIBSON AVENUE, THE, THE FLOODING MINUTES, UM, ISSUES.
SO RICH, FUN AND FRANK MOTO AND HEATHER.
HEATHER TRAVIS, YOU HAD IT RIGHT.
SO, AND YOU CAN JUST, HEATHER, JUST MAKE SURE YOU, UM, TOUCH YOUR MIC ON WHEN YOU READY, JUST PUSH UP.
SO YOU'RE THE NEW COMMUNITY LEADER.
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COULD PRESS IT, PLEASE.YOU HAVE TO PRESS IT TO TURN GREEN.
UM, I ALSO, I HAD, I MADE THESE PRINTOUTS FOR EVERYONE.
YOU CAN PASS THEM OUT, TAKE ONE.
AND THAT'S JUST TO SHOW YOU THE HOW MY BACKYARD LOOKS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE EVERY TIME IT FLOODS.
THIS IS A EIGHT FOOT FENCE, AND THAT'S A SIX FOOT FENCE YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE.
SO EVERYONE, EVERYONE WHO WAS WATCHING, UM, WE HAVE, UM, MEMBERS FROM THE GIBSON AVENUE, UH, COMMUNITY.
AND ONE OF THE RESIDENTS IS SHOWING PICTURES IN WHICH WE CAN TRY TO GET UP LATER, IS SHOWING PICTURES OF WHAT HAPPENS EACH TIME.
UM, THERE'S A RAINSTORM THAT HAPPENS.
SORRY, HEATHER, CAN YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE? HI, I'M HEATHER TRAER.
UM, I LIVE AT 82 GIBSON, AND, UM, I SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC TOWN HALL HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.
UM, SO I THOUGHT, I MEAN, ANYBODY ELSE CAN COME UP, BUT I KIND OF THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY OF WHAT WE'RE ALL GOING THROUGH.
AND I, I APPRECIATE THAT CONSIDERING WORK SESSIONS ARE TYPICALLY, UH, TOWN EMPLOYEES ONLY.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE LEAD AND SPEAKING FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, UM, SO YEAH, SO I JUST KIND OF BROKE DOWN ON THIS FLYER.
UM, FOR THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING JUST BASICALLY THE THREE FLOODS THAT WE'VE HAD, IDA, THE REGULAR RAIN, AND THEN THE STORM.
UM, THE STORM THAT WAS IN JULY WAS ACTUALLY THE HIGHEST IT'S EVER BEEN.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PICTURE IS.
UM, YEAH, IT'S LIKE THIS SIX INCH CREEK, WHICH I SAID BEFORE.
UM, IT JUST BECOMES A ROARING RAPIDS LIKE YOU CAN SEE.
AND, UM, MY NEIGHBOR SANDRA, WHO'S HERE, THAT IS HER SHED, AND EVERY TIME IT FLOODS, IT LIKE BARRICADES THROUGH THE FENCE, EVERYBODY'S FURNITURE ENDS UP IN MY YARD.
UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE FORCE OF THE WATER, YOU KNOW, WATER WILL FIND A WAY.
UM, SO I WANTED TO MAKE THIS FOR YOU JUST SO YOU CAN SEE HOW INSANELY HIGH IT GETS.
UM, I'M TAKING THIS FROM LIKE A BALCONY, UM, ABOVE, UM, MY YARD.
SO WE'RE JUST ALL HERE TO, TO FIND OUT WHAT CAN BE DONE.
I KNOW I SPOKE TO YOU, FRANK, BRIEFLY ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO TO CLEAN UP, BUT WE JUST, WE CAN'T KEEP LIVING THROUGH THIS BECAUSE IT'S, THIS IS OUTSIDE, BUT IT'S FOUR, FOUR AND A HALF FEET IN MY HOUSE EVERY TIME.
SO, AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT KIND OF TOUCHES THE CREEK, I'M SURE WE ALL HAVE THE SAME PICTURES OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
SO, SO IT'S GIBSON AND PROSPECT.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER FARM, YOU WANNA GO AND YOU CAN, YOU AND THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER MODO TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE SINCE, UM, JULY 14TH.
AND WE ALL TRULY FEEL FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH.
THE PICTURES SUBMITTED ARE HORRIFIC.
UM, AGAIN, THE TOWN WAS HIT WITH ANOTHER RECORD SETTING STORM.
THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR WAS SEVEN AND A HALF INCHES, WHICH EQU EIGHT.
IN CERTAIN AREAS, WHICH EQUATES TO A 550 YEAR STORM, AS PER OUR ENGINEERS.
UM, WE DO HAVE A QUICK SLIDESHOW OF SOME OF THE WORK AND WHAT WE HOPE GETS DONE OUT THERE.
I'M GONNA GO THROUGH IT REAL QUICK.
UM, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S, UH, INFORMATION, WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDERGOING, UH, A STUDY OF THE MANHATTAN BROOK, THAT WHOLE AREA, THE WHOLE WATERSHED.
UM, WE'VE JUST GOTTEN INFORMATION BACK FROM OUR SURVEYORS.
UH, THIS WAS I THINK A $200,000 SURVEY.
WHAT THEY DID WAS PICKED UP ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY BE ENTERED INTO A PROGRAM TO DETERMINE HOW WE BEST TRY TO MANAGE THIS.
AND WHEN I SAY MANAGE THIS, A STORM LIKE THIS IS ALMOST UNMANAGEABLE.
THERE'S NO INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S DESIGNED FOR THAT.
UM, AND THIS ISN'T A GREENBERG ISSUE, THIS ISN'T A COUNTY ISSUE.
YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN TEXAS AND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
BUT KNOW THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO TRY TO MITIGATE THESE SITUATIONS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UM, STUDY GOING ON.
I DO KNOW THAT COUNCILMAN JACKSON HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND SOME TALK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO THERE.
ALONG THAT, I'M GONNA SHOW YOU
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WHAT WE DID ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MANHATTAN BROOK NEAR THE CENTER, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE THROUGH THE WHOLE AREA.UM, AND DEPUTY COMMISSIONER MODO AND THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT TEAM HAVE BEEN AGGRESSIVELY OUT CLEANING THE BROOK.
IN FACT, IS THE, I'M SORRY, IS THE SLIDESHOW SHOULD BE, WE DON'T HAVE TO ROLLING WHILE YOU'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
OH, I GOTTA, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH AND DISCUSS IT.
UM, I JUST WANT A BRIEF NO PROBLEM UPDATE AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT.
UM, OUR ENGINEERS HAVE FOUND SOME REALLY ODD, UH, THINGS ON THE FEMA MAPS WHERE THEY STOPPED STUDIES.
UM, AND WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THIS WITH THE BOARD IN FURTHER DETAIL, BUT THEY'VE ACTUALLY, ON THEIR MAPS SHOWED LIMITED DETAIL OF STUDY AND THIS AREA IS BLOCKED OUT.
SO IT'S LIKE A LINE, IT'S VERY ODD.
SO GIBSON WAS NOT INCLUDED? CORRECT.
IT'S NOT IN THE FEMA MAP, SO IT'S NOT IN THE FLOOD ZONE, ALTHOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT IS.
UM, ONE AREA THAT I'LL SHOW YOU HERE AS WE GO THROUGH.
SO LET ME TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TERRANCE DID THIS.
THIS IS THE END POINT AT THE, UH, STATE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO YOU SEE THE, THE STAR THERE.
SO FRANK AND TEAM TOOK OUT 1700 YARD DUMPSTERS OF MATERIAL FROM THAT AREA.
THIS IS THE AREA THAT WENT AND CLEANED OUT.
NOW WHAT THIS DOES IS IT CREATES AN AREA OF RETENTION.
WHAT THEY REMOVED OUT OF THERE WAS BLOCKING.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU GET A RAIN OF THAT EVENT, RICH, THE MICROPHONE'S OVER HERE,
WHEN YOU GET A STORM OF THAT EVENT, EVERYTHING IN EVERYBODY'S YARDS GETS PICKED UP AND PUT INTO THE BROOK.
AND ULTIMATELY IT ENDS TO THIS AREA OR A BRIDGE AREA AND IT BLOCKS UP, WHICH CREATES THIS, THIS FLOODING.
SO THEY DID TAKE OUT, AGAIN, 1700 YARD DUMPSTERS.
COULD YOU JUST TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THIS ROOM WOULD BE FILLED? IT WOULD BE FILLED FIVE TIMES THE ROOM.
YOU, YOU GUYS GOTTA SPEAK UP SO EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU PLEASE.
FIVE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF THIS ROOM
SO FIVE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF THIS, OF THIS ROOM IS WHAT YOU PULLED OUT OF THE BROOK? YEAH.
THAT THE COST OF DISPOSAL IS ABOUT $400,000.
SO THIS IS, AGAIN, IT'S THAT AREA.
IT JUST DIDN'T WANT THE VOLUME TO GET LOST.
THEY PULLED OUT STUFF THAT HAS, UM, KALDOR SHOPPING CARTS, STUFF THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS KALDOR, NEW YORK STATE DOT AREA.
HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU TO, UH, REMOVE ALL THESE? THEY WERE OUT THERE FOR, UH, JUST THIS ONE AREA AND CLEANING UP THE BROOK FOR WEEKS.
IT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE, SO AGAIN, JUST TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE, WHERE IT SAYS THE CORNER ONE 19 IN GREENVILLE CIRCLE, IF ANYONE LOOK IS GINA, I HOPE YOU DIDN'T GET WHEN I FELL
SO, SO JUST, I JUST WANNA, SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THIS AREA IS AND THEY CAN PICTURE THAT THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, UH, STATION, POLICE STATION PARKING LOT FOR THE COURTHOUSE.
THERE'S THE, THERE'S TWO BILLBOARDS THERE.
WESTY, I THINK WESLEY'S ON THERE CURRENTLY.
SO THAT'S RIGHT WHERE THAT BILLBOARD IS.
THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE OUT CLEANING OUT AND, AND REALLY GETTING ALL OF THIS BACKUP AND THIS DEBRIS, UM, WHICH HAS BEEN CAUSING, UM, THESE CHALLENGES.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM IT.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS CLEAR.
AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER PINCH POINT.
THERE IS, THERE'S A CAMERA GOING THROUGH AND CHECKING THE AREAS TO SEE FOR ANY BLOCKAGES.
THERE'S GINA HOLDING OFF THE BARE LIGHT, FRANK, BUT YOU SEE THE CAMERA UP THERE? YES.
SO THIS WAS SENT TO THIS KIND OF, WELL MOVE AROUND.
IT GOES THROUGH THE PIPE MM-HMM
TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THERE THAT'S BLOCKING IT.
AND BY THE WAY, THIS, THIS LEADS ULTIMATELY ALL THE WAY UP TO OLD KENCO MM-HMM
SO, I'M SORRY, JUST AGAIN, JUST BE CLEAR.
CAN YOU JUST GET FROM THE STARTING POINT OF MANHATTAN BROOK SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR.
'CAUSE IT'S JUST NOT JUST ONE SECTION IN FULTON PARK.
IT'S NOT ONE SECTION ON GIBSON AVENUE, JUST THE FULL AREA.
SO ALL THIS ULTIMATELY TERMINATE, TERMINATES, AND YOUR MIC.
AND I WISH I HAD A MAP UP THERE OF THIS, BUT ALL THIS TERMINATES AT OLD KENSICO MM-HMM
THAT ONE POINT WHERE WE GOT THE TWO CULVERTS, WHICH WE'VE NOW PURCHASED PUMPS THAT WE'RE GONNA HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT DO A TEST RUN.
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A CULVERT THERE.IT'S A GRAVITY FED LINE THAT FEEDS NO ROCHELLE IN MOUNT VERNON WITH PORTABLE WATER.
THE BERM HAS NEVER THAT WE KNOW OF BEEN BREACHED.
SO WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT PUMPS THERE TO TRY TO TAKE THE WATER AS THE STORM STARTS AND PUSH IT OVER THIS BERM, GIVING IT MORE AREA TO GO.
WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT MULTIPLE AREAS IN THE WATERSHED TO CREATE RETENTION.
SO FOR INSTANCE, MR. MODO FOUND AN AREA ON THE SCHOOL FOR DEAF PROPERTY AND THE CHURCH PROPERTY OFF
SO ALL THIS IS BEING DONE TO TRY TO PREVENT THE WATER FROM GOING QUICKLY THERE.
AND THEN WHEN IT GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT TO HAVE IT GIVE IT A PLACE TO GO.
SO THIS WHOLE WATERSHED ULTIMATELY ENDS AT THE OLD KENSICO, WHICH COUNCILMAN JACKSON IS NOW IN CONTACT WITH THE COUNTY.
AND IF WE GET THIS AGREEMENT, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THEIR END TOO.
UM, I'M JUST, I'M JUST NOT CLEAR ON, I NEED YOU TO DESCRIBE WHERE THE WHOLE AREA IS.
IF I CAN, IF I CAN JUST MAKE A POINT REFERENCING, WHEN YOU REFERENCED NEW ROCHELLE AND VERNON, THE, THE WATERWAYS CROSS, THEY DON'T RECOGNIZE THE BORDERS OF THE DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES.
SO WE HAVE TO WORK WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHERE, WHERE THE, THE, UM, WATER GENERATES TO BEGIN WITH MIGHT BE WAY UPSTREAM UP SEVERAL, UM, TOWNS OR VILLAGES AWAY AND, AND IN OTHER TOWNS AND VILLAGES AND CITIES.
SO THAT, THAT BECOMES A, AN ADDED LAYER OF, OF CONSIDERATION.
SO PEOPLE SHOULD BE AWARE THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL NECESSARILY OF ALL THE FACTORS, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE, WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY.
AND THIS STORM HIT THIS AREA WHERE OTHER AREAS OF TOWN, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WITH THIS STORM WEREN'T IMPACTED.
THESE STORMS ARE GETTING CRAZIER AND CRAZIER EACH TIME THEY COME.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU WERE ASKING THE COUNTY TO DO SURE.
WHAT WE ARE ASKING THE COUNTY DO IS TO GO INTO AN AGREEMENT.
SO WE'RE ASKING THE COUNTY, UM, TO GO ON AGREEMENT AS WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO CLEAR OUT THAT AREA AT KENSICO AVENUE OR KENSICO ROAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER CAN PULL IN A BETTER AREA INSTEAD OF PULLING IN THE BACKYARDS OF PEOPLE'S HOMES.
SO, UM, WE FEEL IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THE WATER WOULD GO INTO THE HIGHWAY INSTEAD OF SOMEONE'S BACK OF THE, INSTEAD OF SOMEONE'S HOME.
WE'RE HAVING CONVERSATION, WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY, JUST TALKING WITH THEM.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE VERY, AND IT'S THE GRASSY AREA NEXT TO THE HIGHWAY.
SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FLOOD OUT THE HIGHWAY.
SO, I MEAN, THE BRONX RIVER PARKWAY FLOODS ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME.
SO THIS, CAN IT HANDLE ALL THIS EXTRA WE WOULD PLAN ON REMOVING PLANTATION AND VEGETATION, THAT ONCE IT'S REMOVED, IT WOULD ALLOW FOR A GREATER AMOUNT OF WATER TO FLOW INTO THE AREA.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.
SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S GONNA COMPLETELY STOP, BUT AT LEAST IT'LL MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING NOW.
IF YOU GO INTO THESE RESIDENTS BACKYARD, WHAT IS A BERM? COMMISSIONER? OH, THANK YOU.
IT'S A EARTH IN STRUCTURE THAT'S COVERING THIS PIPE.
SO IF YOU GO INTO THE BACKYARD, YOU'LL BASICALLY SEE A GRADE, IT PEAKS, AND THEN IT GOES BACK TO THE OTHER SIDE.
THERE'S THIS AQUEDUCT IN THERE.
SO THE WATER BUILDS UP THERE, IT'S GOT NOWHERE TO GO.
WE'RE LOOKING TO TAKE THAT WATER AND GET IT TO THE OTHER SIDE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
OUR ENGINEERS ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO REMOVE THE AQUEDUCT AND PUT A SIPHON IN SO WE CAN GET RID OF THAT STRUCTURE COMPLETELY.
ALL THESE THINGS ARE BEING LOOKED AT THIS POINT.
AGAIN, WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO EVERYBODY'S SITUATION OUT THERE.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS FROM MULTIPLE FRONTS THAT HAS OUR COMPLETE ATTENTION.
UM, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS MANHATTAN BROOK STUDY COMING BACK, HOPEFULLY NOT TOO FAR IN THE FUTURE.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW OUR BIGGEST, UH, ACTION ITEMS ARE CLEANING THE BROOK.
CRE, AREAS OF RETENTION, AND BASICALLY WORKING ON A WAY TO GET THIS WATER TO A PLACE WHERE IT'LL BE ABLE TO SIT SAFE.
SO, AND JUST, I JUST WANNA FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND ALSO JUST, JUST SO EVERYONE'S AWARE, WE, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I HAVE LEARNED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS, HONESTLY, IS WHAT, YOU CAN'T JUST CLEAN OUT ONE AREA BECAUSE IT'S GONNA AFFECT OTHER AREAS CAN'T.
SO THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE SIMULTANEOUS WORK TOGETHER
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IN EVERY AREA.SO EVERY AREA THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM BEHIND GIBSON AVENUE, THAT'S GOING DOWN TOWARDS GOING OVER THE HIGHWAY, THAT'S GOING BEHIND, UH, ETHAN, NOT ETHAN ISLAND.
WHAT IS IT NOW? UH, JUST STICK ALLEY.
RIGHT? THAT'S, AND THAT GOES INTO THE FULTON PARK.
BUT ALSO, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IT STARTS UP, THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO TELL THEM.
THAT'S A WHOLE, IT'S A WHOLE WHAT? BUT, BUT THEY, BUT I, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE CLEAR.
I THINK PEOPLE, AND I DON'T WANNA THINK FOR PEOPLE, BUT I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE CLEAR ON, IT'S NOT JUST FULTON PARK OR IT'S NOT JUST THIS SECTION OF GIBSON AVENUE OR JUST THIS SECTION OF WINDOVER WOODS.
IT'S, IT'S ALL COLLECTIVELY THAT'S HAVING THE ISSUE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND CLEAN UP EVERY AREA.
SO, UH, DE UH, UH, WHAT DO YOU, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE CLEANING ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HIT EVERY AREA, BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THAT MEANS THAT SOMEONE'S GONNA GET AFFECTED.
AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND JUST AS THE PICTURES, THAT THIS IS THE VIDEO THAT YOU SEE HOW ALL THAT IS, ALL THAT WAS BLOCKED.
AND SO WHEN ALL THAT STUFF GETS DOWN IN THAT AREA, IT'S COMING FROM OTHER AREAS.
IT'S NOT JUST COMING FROM GIBSON AVENUE.
IT'S COMING FROM WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.
I DON'T WANNA MISSPEAK ON THE STREETS, BUT IT'S COMING FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN IT PULLS IN ONE AREA.
SO IF IT GETS BLOCKED, LIKE IT GOT BLOCKED BEHIND YOUR HOME AND IT CAUSED THAT CHALLENGE OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND WELL, IT, IT, IT, IT CHALLENGE THIS, AS EVERYONE SEEN HAS SEEN THIS FLAG.
THIS IS WHY WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OUT THERE ON A CONSISTENT BA BASIS, DOING THE MAINTENANCE, WORKING ALONGSIDE THE COUNTY TO HELP OUT AND TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN TRY TO MINIMIZE THE DAMAGE.
NOW AGAIN, I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE CLEAR WITH THESE 500 YEAR STORMS THAT WE'RE NOT EXPECTING THAT EVERYONE IS BEING AFFECTED WITH THAT.
IT'S NOT GONNA TOTALLY TAKE IT AWAY, BUT AT LEAST IT'LL MINIMIZE THE DAMAGES THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.
NOW, LET ME ASK, UH, ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, WHEN IT'S, I THINK IT'S GREAT, YOU KNOW, TO REMOVE ALL THE OBSTRUCTIONS.
I TOOK A, A SITE VISIT WITH LOU SANCHEZ THAT I GUESS WE SAW, SAW THAT AREA IN BACK OF PEOPLE'S HOMES, UM, THAT HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, CLEARED.
UM, WE REALLY NEED AN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE, BOTH THE COUNTY AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THE TOWN, BECAUSE WE COULD REMOVE ALL THE OBSTRUCTIONS NOW AND SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, OR A YEAR FROM NOW, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME THING.
I'M ONE SORT OF WONDERING IF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS TO PUT PRESSURE ON ALL THE, UH, LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT WHO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO COMMIT TO DO THIS.
YOU KNOW, YOU WERE MENTIONING BIANNUAL, YOU KNOW, TWICE A YEAR, RIGHT.
IT REALLY HAS TO BE DONE ANNUAL AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALL.
IT MAY BE, IT MAY BE MORE THAN THAT.
IT MAY, AND IT IS ALL DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HAVE.
SO, AND I DON'T WHEN, SO I JUST, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT PRESSURE ON ANYONE.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO WORK COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER SO WE CAN COME TO A PLAN AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN ALL WORK ON THE SAME SCHEDULE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS DONE.
THE COUNTY HAS BEEN A MEDICAL, THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING TO US, THEY'VE BEEN SITTING DOWN AND YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WANNA, THEY WANNA WORK SHOW UP BECAUSE THEY WANNA WORK WITH US.
UM, AND THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT RESIDENTS ARE NOT CONTINU TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO TALK WITH THE STATE.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE WORKING COLLECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TO, WE, WE CAN'T PUT PRESSURE.
WE HAVE TO, THIS IS A COLLECTIVE ISSUE FOR THE COUNTY STATE AND THE TOWN FOR THE, FOR THE PORTION OF THE TOWN.
YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, NOT POINTING FINGERS FOR THE PORTION OF THE TOWN.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY OF, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING SORT OF A, A COMMITMENT, UM, THAT WE WILL REMOVE THE OBSTRUCTIONS ON THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ON THE TOWN PORTION, WELL, WE HAVE, BUT TWICE A YEAR.
I THINK WHAT, WHAT COUNCILMAN JACKSON SAY, IT'S LIKE PAINTING A BRIDGE.
BY THE TIME YOU GET TO ONE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE, YOU GOTTA WALK, GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN.
THIS, THIS IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY.
I MEAN, YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS AGAIN, STATE PROPERTY OFF THE, THE THROUGHWAY.
THIS IS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO IN THERE.
AND AGAIN, FRANK MOTOS GOT A CONTACT WITH THE THROUGHWAY AUTHORITY, WHERE WE COULD DO POSSIBLY A LANE CLOSURE AND PULL THAT STUFF OUT.
BOTH FRANCIS AND GINA SAW THIS IN THE FIELD.
IT'S COMPLETELY, YOU COULD SEE IT HERE.
HE DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THESE VIDEOS.
TERRANCE SP BROMAN, OUR CABLE DIRECTOR.
YOU COULD SEE STUFF HANGING OFF THE LIMB.
THIS, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE.
AGAIN, THIS IS ON STATE PROPERTY.
WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO GO IN THERE AND CLEAN IT UP THERE.
I WANNA JUST GET TO A POINT HERE WHERE YOU ALSO SEE, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS COMPLAINTS ABOUT, ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS, THIS IS, YEAH.
THIS IS ULTIMATELY THAT'S BEHIND THE CENTER.
SO WE TOOK SOME TREES DOWN LAST YEAR.
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WERE UPSET ABOUT IT.THIS IS WHY WE WANTED TO TAKE, WE WANT TO TAKE ANYTHING THAT WE THINK IS GONNA COME DOWN AND WE SAW SOME MORE WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE THAT WE GOTTA DIG DOWN SO THAT ULTIMATELY WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING THIS STONE IN SO THAT IT DOESN'T ERODE AWAY THE BANKS TO THE STREAM OR THE BROOK.
CAN I JUST MAKE A STATEMENT? YEAH.
YOU SHOULD, YOU CAN HAVE TO COME TO THE MIC RIGHT HERE.
MY NAME IS, MY NAME IS AMY SHEA.
IF THIS WAS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WAS COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE COULD PROBABLY STAND IT.
WHAT HAPPENS IS IT GOES FROM HERE TO OVER BY CROSSROADS PLAZA AND BE AND DOUBLES IN SIZE.
AND THEN IT'S EXPECTED TO GO BACK TO THIS AMOUNT BEHIND MY HOUSE YES.
SO THAT'S WHY IT FLOWS OVER SIX FEET UP.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING LIKE, I COULD DROWN IN MY BACKYARD.
I HAVE A, IF YOU GO ON YOUTUBE, THERE'S A VIDEO UNDER AMY SHEA AND IT'S A SHORT, IT SHOWS I COULD DROWN.
THIS WATER IS A RAPID, IT'S FAST.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS EVERYTHING IS HEADED THAT WAY.
AND ALL THAT STUFF YOU CLEARED UP IS OUR FURNITURE THAT GOT WASHED AWAY.
ALL THE STUFF THAT WAS IN OUR YARDS FROM THOSE LAST THREE STORMS MM-HMM
ENDED UP, THAT'S THE BLOCKAGE YOU JUST CLEARED UP.
SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE TO DO IT TWICE A YEAR, BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER FLOOD, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET OUT THERE AND DO IT AGAIN.
BECAUSE ALL OF OUR STUFF IS THERE BLOCKING IT UP.
BEFORE YOU, WHEN YOU HAVE WARNING OF A STORM, YOU CAN SOMETIMES SECURE YOUR STUFF.
BUT WHEN YOU DON'T LIKE THIS LAST STORM, YOU CAN'T, NOBODY, NOBODY KNEW.
NOBODY KNEW HOW QUICKLY THAT WAS GONNA COME.
BUT HOW DO YOU SECURE STUFF WITH SIX FEET OF WATER? RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THE SECOND ONE OF THE STORMS, THE 2023 STORM I WAS AT IN NORTH CAROLINA FOR A WEDDING.
IF IT WASN'T FOR MY NEIGHBORS HAVING THE KEY TO MY HOUSE, I WOULD'VE LOST MY CARS.
I WOULD'VE LOST, UM, ALL OF EVERYTHING.
I SAY THEY WERE ABLE TO SAVE SOME OF MY STUFF.
SO YOU CAN'T PLAN AHEAD MM-HMM
IF I, IF YOU ALL GAVE US SOME KIND OF A BARRIER OR SOMETHING THAT, HEY, AS SOON AS THERE'S A STORM, WE'LL PUMP IT UP.
RIGHT NOW IN FRONT OF MY GARAGE, I HAVE A BLOW UP THING TO PROTECT IT IN CASE ONE OF THESE STORMS OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS TO GIVE AT LEAST A FEW MINUTES TO CLEAR STUFF OUT.
THE ONLY THING THAT I, I SORT OF FAILED, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT YOU'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB, YOU KNOW, AND YOU'VE BEEN LIKE SUPER RESPONSIVE AND YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE VERY PLEASED WITH THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AFTER, YOU KNOW, THIS STORM.
SO I HAVE LIKE THIS AND BEFORE YEAH, NO, BUT I'M, I'M SAYING I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMPLAINING, BUT, BUT THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR, FOR DECADES, IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS 2005.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT PEOPLE TO, UM, UH, WE DON'T WANT THE TOWN OR THE COUNTY TO FORGET ABOUT THE PROBLEM.
AND I'M ALMOST, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA.
I ALMOST FEEL THAT IN THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED BUDGET, UM, WE SHOULD HAVE ALMOST LIKE A COMMITMENT.
THE TOWN SHOULD SAY WE'RE COMMITTING, YOU KNOW, EVERY, I'M JUST THROWING OUT EVERY UH, OCTOBER 1ST OR JULY 1ST, YOU KNOW, WE PICK A DATE AND WE SAY THE FIRST WEEK IN OCTOBER, THE FIRST WEEK IN JULY OR WHATEVER YOU WANT, WE'RE, WE'RE, THE TOWN IS REQUIRED TO DO THE MAINTENANCE.
THEN WE GO TO THE COUNT AND REMOVE THE OBSTRUCTIONS.
THEN WE GO TO THE COUNTY AND WE SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE TOWN IS DOING.
IF YOU WANT TO BE PARTNERS, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A ONE SHOT THING.
A LEGISLATIVE COMMITMENT OR A COMMITMENT, UH, THAT THIS IS GONNA BE DONE.
I FEEL THAT WE, WE NEEDED IT IN WRITING AND WE NEEDED, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M WORKING ON.
NO, I'M SAYING YOU COULD GET, IF YOU COULD GET TWICE A YEAR THAT WE KNOW JANUARY, WHATEVER, WHATEVER.
I FEEL EVEN THE TOWN, IT'S GOING TO BE CLEARED OUT.
AT THE MINIMUM NEXT WEEK, TWO TIMES A YEAR.
IF Y'ALL CAN GO AND PUT ROCKS IN THERE NOW, MAYBE LESS WATER THAT WILL HELP.
SO WE, AND SO THAT, SO CAN YOU, CAN YOU, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING.
SO, 'CAUSE I WANT PEOPLE CLEAR.
SO WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WHAT WE INTEND ON GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE BROOK.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA STOP UNTIL WE GET FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER.
THEN YOU START WITH THAT BIG WIDE AREA TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON MULTIPLE FRONTS.
SO, AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN AGGRESSIVELY GETTING ROCKED TOGETHER.
BUT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THIS BEING THE END GOAL.
AGAIN, EVEN WITH THIS, WE HAVE TO HAVE AREAS OF RETENTION.
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THE BIGGER ISSUE.WE THINK WE, WE'VE AND FRANK FOUND ONE IN THE FIELD THIS PAST WEEK.
SO WE THINK WE HAVE AREAS THAT ARE GONNA HELP.
AGAIN, WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE DEMONSTRATED THIS ON THE BRONX RIVER, THESE AREAS THAT YOU COULD LOOK FROM, THE AIR PI PICTURES FROM 60 YEARS AGO THERE WERE PONDS, THERE WERE LAKES.
THEY'RE NOT WORKING THE WAY THEY USED TO.
AND I, I WISH I HAD GIVEN THIS DETERRENCE.
YOU'RE GETTING FED FROM EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO TEST.
SO EVERYTHING'S HEADED TO ONE AREA.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK UP AND EVERYTHING'S HEADED YOUR WAY AND THERE'S A BROOK THERE, YOU GET SEVEN AND A HALF INCHES OF RAIN AND YOU GOT ANY OBSTRUCTION IN THE WAY.
ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO IMP THE FLOW, GIVE SOMETHING TO BLOCK UP, THERE'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
I LOVE, EVEN IF WE WERE OUT THERE DURING THAT STORM, TRYING TO PULL THAT STUFF OUT.
WHEN YOU GET THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU GO IN YOUR BACKYARDS, YOU COULD HAVE BIG PROBLEMS IF WE GET SUCKED UP IN THAT WATER.
SO BEFORE EVERY STORM THAT WE KNOW IS GONNA COME, WHEN WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE A HEAVIER RAIN, THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED THE BROOKS AND BASIN DETAIL TOWN GOES OUT REGULARLY AND CLEANS OUT THE HOTSPOTS THAT WE KNOW OF.
THESE BIGGER CLEANUPS, LIKE WHAT FRANK IS DOING NOW WITH THE TEAM IS GOING, GETTING IN THERE AND PULLING OUT THE ORGANICS AND WE'VE PULLED OUT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT.
AND SOME OF IT IS PROBABLY UNFORTUNATELY WHAT WAS PICKED UP FROM PEOPLE'S YARDS AND BROUGHT IN MM-HMM
THAT'S A BIGGER ISSUE WE GOTTA LOOK AT.
BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THE TOWN TAKES US TO HEART.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE OUT THERE FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS.
THE TOWN BOARD HAS PUT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY EACH YEAR TOWARDS DRAINAGE.
THE LAST THREE YEARS IT WAS 2 MILLION.
THIS YEAR WAS A MILLION AND A HALF.
I KNOW NO ONE'S GONNA WANT TO HEAR THIS, BUT WE'RE GONNA UP IT AGAIN THIS YEAR.
'CAUSE INFRASTRUCTURE IS UP THE UTMOST IMPORTANT.
NOT JUST DRAINAGE, WATER, SEWER, EVERYTHING.
YOU SEE WHAT CONED IS DOING NOW? BLOWING UP OUR ROADS WITH ALL THE GAS WORK.
THAT'S 'CAUSE IT HAS TO GET DONE.
BELIEVE ME, THEY DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND SPEND MONEY.
CAN I JUST INTERRUPT YOU? SO WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MONEY THAT, UM, GOVERNOR HOLLE IS GIVING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE? IS GREENBERG RECEIVING ANY OF THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW SHE KNOWS THAT NEW YORK HAS BEEN AFFECTED HEAVILY BY FLOODS WHERE SHE RELEASED ALL THAT MONEY.
ARE WE GETTING ANY OF THAT? SO THE MANHATTAN BROOK STUDY, SO WHAT WE GENERALLY DO IS WE'LL GO TO THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY AND WE'VE GOTTEN TWO GRANTS FROM THE COUNTY.
ONE OF THEM IS THE MANHATTAN BROOK.
SO THAT STUDY'S ONGOING RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN THE RESULTS OF IT YET.
AND AGAIN, PART OF THAT WAS THIS HUGE SURVEYING PROJECT.
WHEN I SAY SURVEYING PROJECT, THEY GOT LAND SURVEYORS OUT PHYSICALLY GETTING THE ELEVATIONS OF ALL THE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE SO THAT THAT COULD BE PUT INTO A WATER MODEL.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON IT SPECIFIC.
IT'S SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTION THOUGH.
WE'RE WORKING ON GRANTS THERE.
THE WAY THE MONIES ARE GIVEN ARE BY, USED BY GRANTS FROM THE STATE THAT WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR.
AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE BUYING FOR SEVERAL GRANTS.
AND THE BIGGER, BIGGER ISSUE HERE, AND I'M SORRY PAUL, IS THAT THIS IS NOT IN A, A FLOOD ZONE.
IT'S JUST NOT MAPPED, WHICH MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
AND THERE'S OTHER AREAS OF GREENBURG THAT ARE THE SAME.
SO ONCE IT GETS THE DESIGNATION, IT'LL BE EASIER TO GET MORE FUNDING.
THE PROBLEM IS THE FEDS AREN'T DOING THE WORK THEY NEED TO UPDATE THESE MAPS.
I THINK JASON SAID IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE EVERY FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, SO WE ARE WAY BEHIND SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I KNOW WE GAVE THE MICROPHONE TO SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE, BUT I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO BE WRAPPING UP SOMEWHAT SOON TO GET TO OUR HOURS.
AND I, WE'LL BE OUT IN THE WE AUDIENCE LATER.
UH, SO ARE THE ENGINEERS GOING, COMING OUT TOMORROW? I HEARD THEY MAY BE COMING OUT TOMORROW TO SURVEY SOME AREAS.
IS BECAUSE THAT VIDEO, UM, ON FAIR STREET BETWEEN PROSPECT AND GIBSON.
THERE'S AN EXCAVATOR AND OTHER THINGS IN THE CREEK.
IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SOME TIME.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
THAT'S ONE, TWO LAST YEAR WE WERE TOLD THAT THE REASON FOR THE FLOODING WERE THE TREES.
ALL THOSE TREES WERE KNOCKED DOWN AND WE WERE TOLD THAT SOMEONE WAS GOING TO REJUVENATE IT IN THE SPRING.
NO ONE HAS GONE, UM, GOTTEN IN TOUCH WITH US.
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FROM THE FLOOD OF 2022.OH AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, ABOUT THE GOVERNOR.
'CAUSE I, I BELIEVE 22, 23 AND 25, SHE SENT SOME MONEY DOWN.
I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT IS DISTRIBUTED, BUT SINCE 20 22, 1 OF MY NEIGHBORS NO GAS, SO SHE'S STILL COOKING ON A HOT PLATE.
BUT I'M WONDERING IF ANYONE IF COMING OUT TO THE TOWN, THEY CAN SURVEY THAT.
I WANTED TO, UM, GET TO THE EXCAVATOR, THE TREES AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET.
AND ALSO MY NEIGHBOR'S, UM, KITCHEN, SHE CAN'T COOK.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND THE DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE GASOLINE? THAT I DON'T KNOW WHICH ADDRESS IS THAT? WHAT'S MY, WE COULD SHARE INFORMATION AFTER MEETING.
YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL BE OUT IN THE, LEMME ASK, LEMME ASK YOU JUST ONE QUESTION FOLLOW UP.
UM, ELLEN'S, YOU KNOW, COMMENT.
IF, UM, WE DON'T, IF UH, THIS IS NOT IN A FLOOD UH, ZONE, DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT ELIGIBLE TO GET STATE GRANTS, UH, FOR THIS? AND DO WE HAVE TO LOBBY THE STATE, UH, LEGISLATURE TO SORT OF CHANGE THE, OR THE GOVERNOR TO CHANGE THE LAW? SO, SO WE COULD GET SO IS FEDERAL, FEMA IS FEDERAL.
I JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE RIGHT NOW, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS INVOLVED IN A BUNCH OF STUDIES.
THE MANHATTAN BROOK, WHICH AFFECTS YOU GUYS.
THE TROUBLESOME BROOK, THE HARTSDALE BROOK, THE SHELDON BROOK.
AND WE HAVE THE BABBITT COURTS.
WE'RE INVOLVED IN FIVE ACTIVE STUDIES RIGHT NOW.
YOURS HOPEFULLY WILL COME TO A CLOSE SOONER THAN LATER AND WE'LL HAVE SOME ANSWERS I HOPE.
BUT WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT HOW WE COULD GET GRANTS.
YOU'VE GOT GARRETT KANE, WHO'S UNBELIEVABLE GETTING GRANTS.
WINDHAM GORDON HAS BEEN SPECTACULAR.
AND CJ GERARD, OUR NEW DEPUTY IS VERY GOOD WITH THESE.
SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT ANY WAY THEY CAN GET THIS FUND WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE WERE GONNA GET DONE THIS SPRING.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WITH SOME OF THE DAMAGE THAT WE DID TAKE OVER THE WINTER, OUR CONTRACTORS, THE DRAINAGE WORK HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE PLACE.
WE'RE REPLACING INFRASTRUCTURE IN STREETS.
THE STREETS HAVE CAVED IN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT 30-YEAR-OLD CORRUGATED METAL PIPE BECAUSE OF THE SALT ON THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE JUST ERODES AWAY.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, FRANK, AND I'LL BE OUT IN THE HALLWAY IF ANYBODY WANTS TO ASK ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS.
WE'LL LET THE BOARD GET ON WITH THE REGULAR MEETING.
UM, AND WE'RE HERE, I'M IN THIS OFFICE.
THE, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST EVERY TIME WE BASICALLY REMOVE OBSTRUCTIONS? BECAUSE SHOULD THAT BE LIKE ANOTHER ALLOCATION IN THE BUDGET? YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF WE WANT TO DO IT TWICE A YEAR, WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATION THAT WE WOULD, UH, WE WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE IN THE BUDGET? SO THAT'S PART OF THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET.
BUT IS THERE A WAY OF LIKE SAYING YOU THIS, EVERY TIME WE DO THIS, IT'S UH, $50,000 OR 30,000.
I MEAN, COULD YOU, SO WE REEVALUATE THAT EACH YEAR.
LIKE THIS YEAR WE, AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT THE STUDY WE DID FOR THE WATER AND SEWER.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA.
SO EACH YEAR WE REEVALUATE WHAT THE, WHAT WE PROJECT THE NEEDS ARE FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
IN THIS CASE, I'M SURE YOU'RE NOT GONNA LIKE THE NUMBER FOR THE DRAINAGE.
THE LAST THREE YEARS IT WAS 2 MILLION.
THAT MONEY IS SPENT, IT'S BEEN USED.
OUR ENGINEERS ARE LOOKING AT THAT.
EVERYBODY IN THE FIELD'S LOOKING AT THAT.
THIS, WHEN YOU GET HIT LIKE THIS EVERY DAY YOU COME INTO THE OFFICE, YOU'RE NOT SURE WE'RE GONNA RUN INTO, YOU GET A STORM LIKE THAT, THAT CHANGES YOUR WHOLE LIFE.
WE ADJUST WITH THAT THE BEST WE CAN.
AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST WHAT WE TOOK OUT OF THE BROOK, IT'S WHAT SANITATION PICKS UP ON THE STREET.
'CAUSE THESE POOR PEOPLE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU LOSE THEIR BASEMENT, ALL THE CONTENTS COME TO THE STREET MM-HMM
SO, NO, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS BASICALLY, I, I DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY, I I AM HAPPY THAT YOU'RE SPENDING THE MONEY ON THIS.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT IF WE, IF THE TOWN BOARD SAYS WE WANNA BE COMMITTED, THAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO REMOVE THE OBSTRUCTIONS ON, ON THE BROOK TWICE A YEAR.
THAT'S, WE'RE MAKING A, A COMMITMENT.
AND YOU GIVE US A NUMBER AND SAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? PUT IN WHATEVER IT IS.
I THINK THAT NUMBER, I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING, PAUL, HE AGREES.
HE JUST HAD TO DETERMINE THAT NUMBER, WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.
SO I THINK, I THINK HE'S GONNA GET THAT NUMBER TO YOU.
COULD YOU DETERMINE THAT BEFORE I COME UP WITH MY PROPOSED BUDGET, WHICH IS STILL ABSOLUTELY.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU REQUESTED IN THE EMAIL SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 30TH OR SOMETHING.
SO SCHEDULE WITH, SO WE'RE GONNA SCHEDULE THEN YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
YOU CAN GO TO HIS AND I'M NOT, AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK, I JUST, I WANNA THANK
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EVERYONE FROM COMING OUT.YOU HAVE SEEN, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS TEAM COME OUT AND YOU'VE SEEN US WALK AROUND THE BROOK.
UM, THIS IS NOT GOING UN UN THIS IS OKAY.
THIS IS, THIS IS NOT GOING WHERE WE ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION AND WE'RE NOT WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO SOMETHING.
BUT AS, AS STAFF HAS BEEN CONTINUES TO DO, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, UH, FA MODO, WHO'S REALLY BEEN OUT THERE ON BOOTS ON THE GROUND, LITERALLY BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET ALL OF THIS RECTIFIED.
ALSO, ONE THING THAT YOU PEOPLE MISS, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TREES.
DID YOU SEE THE AMOUNT OF DEAD TREES THAT WAS OUT THERE? SO WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH THAT AS WELL.
SO IF WE HAVE A HUNDRED YEAR OLD TREES THAT'S OUT THERE, THAT'S FINALLY AT THEIR LAST LIMB.
AND IF A STORM THAT HITS LIKE WE HAD JULY 14TH, ALL AGAIN, ALL THE WORK THAT WE HAVE JUST DONE, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO IT AGAIN.
AND WE ARE AWARE OF THAT AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE PUT PLANS IN PLACE, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE NOW PUT TOGETHER A MAINTENANCE PLAN.
THANK YOU TO THE TEAM MANAGEMENT HERE HAS PUT TOGETHER A MAINTENANCE PLAN TO FIGURE OUT GOING FORWARD WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE CLEAN.
NOW I KNOW WE WANT TO, I KNOW WE WANNA SAY EVERY OCTOBER, EVERY APRIL, YOU CAN'T DETERMINE THAT.
WE SHOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE BI-ANNUALLY OR HOWEVER IT'S GONNA TAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CONTINUE TO DEAL WITH THIS.
SO YOU CAN'T JUST SAY A MONTH BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S ALL CLEAR.
BUT WE JUST HAVE TIME FOR ONE LAST QUESTION AND I'LL GIVE IT OVER TO MS. BURTON.
AND THEN, UM, I WANNA, AGAIN, THANK EVERYONE FOR COMING OUT.
AND MY QUESTION IS, HOW CAN FEMA ACTUALLY ASSIST IF GIBSON AVENUE'S BEEN OMITTED? THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN BLOCKED AND JASON CAP, OUR TOWN ENGINEER IS AT, HE'S, WHEN HE BROUGHT US OUT, HE'S FIT TO BE TIED.
HE, HE COULDN'T BELIEVE, I MEAN, AND THERE ARE LINES, AND I COULD SHOW YOU THIS WHEN WE GO OUTSIDE, THAT JUST ENDED.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THIS AREA, OTHER AREAS IN TOWN.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO YEAH.
THERE'S AN ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES TODAY, I THINK IT WAS FRONT PAGE SAYING THAT PRESIDENT BASICALLY IS DESTROYING FEMA.
YOU KNOW, SO THE THING IS FEMA IS NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE, THEY'VE CUT THE STAFF, UH, THEY'VE MADE IT INEFFECTUAL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS FRONT PAGE OF THE TIME.
BUT AT LEAST THEY HELPED ME AFTER IDA, MY INSURANCE DENIES ME EVERY TIME THAT WAS DIFFERENT.
BUT THAT WAS A DIFFERENT PRESIDENT.
I KNOW, BUT IT'S LIKE, IF I HAD TOLD THEM I AM IN A FLOOD ZONE, THEY WOULD'VE HELPED ME THIS TIME.
AND I, AND I'M OBVIOUSLY, I'M BLOCKED.
SO WE, I MEAN WE JUST LEARNED THIS AS WELL.
SO I MEAN LITERALLY WE, WE, WE WERE FLAWED TO LEARN THIS AND HAVE, DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW IT JUST ENDED.
SO IT IS AS FRUSTRATED AS, AS YOU ARE AND AS SHOCKED AS YOU ARE.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU.
SCHUMER GILAND, CONGRESSMAN, I LATIMER, IF THEY COULD REACH OUT TO FEMA AND TRY TO GET THIS AREA, THAT'S GONNA BE YOUR ONLY BAD GOOD LUCK
BUT WE, BUT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHY I STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING OUR RELATIONSHIPS, FRIENDLY RELATIONSHIPS AS WELL WITH, UH, STATE, LOCAL AND FEDERAL PARTNERS.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T, THE TOWN CAN'T DO THIS ALONE BECAUSE AS YOU, AS YOU SEE THAT IT'S DIVIDED BY STATE AND FEDERAL.
SO WE, WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE DEFINITELY BOOTS ON THE GROUND.
I WISH I CAN SAY THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN.
BUT I CAN'T PUT THAT WOULD BE A FLAT OUT LIE.
WE'RE NOT DOING WHICH MORE OFTEN.
AND, BUT, BUT HE ALSO REMEMBER THE CLIMATE CHANGE THAT WE'RE IN AS WELL.
SO EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS EVERY 10 YEARS TO FIVE, EVERY, EVERY MONTH.
THE OTHER QUESTION IS, AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE FROM THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE HERE, CAN THE MOST RECENT ASSESSMENT ON OUR PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA BE EITHER PAUSED OR WAIVED? BECAUSE CLEARLY THE RAISE IN THE ASSESSMENTS, IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW.
DOES THAT LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CLIMATE LEGISLATION, THAT THAT BASICALLY PROVIDES, UM, VIRTUAL, WELL, NOT FOR THE MOST RECENT STORM.
IT'S ONLY WHEN IT'S CONSIDERED A STATE LOCAL OF A LOCAL DISASTER.
EVERY SINGLE STORM THAT WE'VE HAD HAS BEEN THAT MY NEIGHBOR HAS LOST THREE CARS.
SO THAT'S FOR THE LOCAL LAW THAT SPECIFICALLY IS DONE BY THE STATE.
AND IF IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A STATE OR LOCAL DISASTER, THAT CANNOT APPLY.
HOWEVER, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS GRIEVE YOUR TAXES BASED ON THE TAXABLE STATUS STATE, WHICH IS MAY 1ST OF EVERY YEAR.
AND IF YOU CAN SUPPORT THAT AS OF MAY, FIRST YOU HAVE FLOODING ISSUES, WHICH DIMINISHES THE RESALE VALUE OF YOUR HOME.
YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE YOUR TAXES REDUCED.
NOT A FREEZE, BUT TAXES REDUCED FROM WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY AT.
IF YOU SHOW COMPARABLE SALES, Y'ALL THAT RIGHT.
WELL, THAT IS REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW.
YOU HAVE TO APPLY, HAVE TO HAVE THAT CON SO
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THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE AS AS TOWN ATTORNEY JUST MEANT.SO I, I LISTEN, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE ASSESSOR.
AND JUST, YOU KNOW, SHE CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU THE GRIEVANCE PROCESS.
SHE CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO SHOW PROOF OF GRIEVANCE AND ALL THE DEADLINES AND WHAT YOU WOULD NEED AND EVERYTHING THAT, SO YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOU MAKE YOUR CLAIM.
SO I WOULD REALLY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH HER.
I'M NOT AN, I'M NOT THE ASSESSOR.
I WILL NOT GONNA GIVE YOU SOMETHING, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE YOU A FALSE ANSWER.
BUT I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT YOU REACH OUT TO ETHAN, ETHAN MCCARTHY, WHO WAS OUR ASSESSOR, AND SHE WILL DEFINITELY WORK WITH YOU.
AND MAYBE IT, MAY YOU SET A MEETING JUST LIKE THIS YES.
AND THE GROUP AND THEN HAVE GIBSON AVENUE AND LET HER SHOW YOU AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO, THAT'S GONNA BE FOR THE FUTURE.
DOES THE, UH, GRIEVANCE PERIOD AS CLOSED FOR THIS YEAR? YES.
BUT YOU COULD STILL DO THE PROCESS.
SO YOU'RE PREPARED FOR IT, BUT WHATEVER YOU THINK YOUR PROPERTY IS WORTH, YOU KNOW, COME MAY 1ST.
THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD BE COMING IN.
AND, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK WHAT YOU'RE BEING, WHAT THE BILL SAYS, 'CAUSE NOW IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCESSIBLE, YOU CAN'T SELL IT FOR THEN YOU SHOULD BRING IN DOCUMENTATION.
THAT'S YOUR RIGHT AS A HOMEOWNER.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T, THE TOWN CAN'T AFFORD TO DO EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THE TOWN CAN'T AFFORD TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR COUNTY WATERWAYS.
WE CAN'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FINANCIALLY FOR STATE OR FEDERAL.
WHAT WE NEED TO DO, I THINK COUNCILMAN JACKSON IS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS IS AT LEAST WHEN WE'RE GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT'S THERE, IS AT LEAST WAIVE THE TIPPING FEES FOR US.
IT'S NOT ONLY ARE WE DOING THE LABOR, BUT WE'RE ALSO PAYING TO GET RID OF SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN SOMETHING THAT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
BUT THIS BOARD IS THE MOST ACCESSIBLE TO YOU.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
YOU DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE FROM THE STATE, UNDERSTANDABLY.
SO WE'RE ON THE FRONT LINES AND YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR US SAY, OH, THAT'S A STATE.
SOMETIMES WE GET IN TROUBLE FOR ACTUALLY GOING INTO THESE WATERWAYS AND CLEARING THEM OUT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS SHOULD BE DOING THE, THE SAW MILL.
UM, WE TRY TO GO IN THERE AS BEST WE CAN TO TAKE THE STUFF OUT.
BUT THEN, HEY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT.
SO I DON'T WANNA SEE US INCREASING INCREASE AND INCREASE OUR TAXES FOR SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE REIMBURSED FOR FROM OTHER, OTHER ENTITIES.
SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE EXPLORING THAT AS WELL.
COULD WE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, BRIEFLY, UH, WAIVING, UM, UH, BUILDING PERMIT FEES FOR PEOPLE WHO SUFFERED, UH, UH, FINANCIAL, UH, LOSSES.
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HERE, UH, YOU SUFFERED, UH, FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, LOSSES YOU HAVE TO REBUILD.
AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THE TOWN HAS THE ABILITY OF DOING IS WAIVING THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING REPAIRS, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHARGE YOU.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN BOARD COULD, UH, COULD AUTHORIZE BECAUSE THIS IS A WAY WE COULD HELP RESIDENTS.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS PAUL AS YOU KNOW, AND IT'S VERY NICE FOR YOU TO SAY TO EVERYBODY HERE IN PUBLIC, HEY, WE'RE GONNA WAIVE THIS.
WHAT WE DECIDED WAS IF THERE'S A DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY, WHICH YOU DID NOT DECLARE, DID NOT DECLARE ON THAT LAST DORM, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT YOU DIDN'T.
THAT THEN IN THAT CASE HAS TO.
I, I BELIEVE, FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WE SHOULD WAIVE THE FEES FOR ANYONE WHO SUFFERED, YOU KNOW, DAMAGES.
THE TOWN BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THE FEES.
UH, EVERYBODY HERE IS SUFFERING.
PAULINE, IF THE STATE DON'T PLEASE, YOU KNOW WHAT NOT, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE WAIVE THE FEES.
SO THEN YOU NEED TO CLAW STATE OF EMERGENCY THE NEXT TIME.
THERE'S NOT, IT'S NOT AN ARGUMENT.
I YOU MAKE IT A STATE OF EMERGENCY, MIKE INSURANCE WILL HELP ME.
SO BECAUSE IT WASN'T DECLARED, I CAN'T GET ANY MONEY FROM INSURANCE TO HELP YOU'VE HAD REBUILD WALLS AND GET NEW APPLIANCES AND DO ALL OF THAT.
IT HAS TO BE A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
AND YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DO THAT.
IF YOU DO THAT, I CAN RESUBMIT AND GET MONEY TO HELP BUILD, REBUILD MY HOUSE, FRANK, AND I'LL BE OUT.
DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND SO ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANNA MEET? SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING OUT EVERYONE.
THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US.
OKAY, HEATHER, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY, NOW WE'RE DISCUSS, UH, D DRAGO, FRANK AND UH, AND RICH, UH,
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WE WANTED TO DISCUSS THE D DRAGO.WELL DO YOU HAVE BUT PAUL, ONE OF THEM.
PAUL, WE CAN'T, I MEAN WE JUST MADE A PROMISE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, SO WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE DRAGA, THEM RADIATING.
JUST WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT TO TALK.
YOU PUSH THE BUTTON SO YOU CAN GONNA SWEAT
SHE WAS JUST TELLING ME HOW GREAT I'M AND YOU ARE AND YOU ABSOLUTELY ARE.
AND ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU.
I'M NOT SURE WE REALLY NEED, UH, WE NEED ONE OF THEM.
LET ME, FOOTBALL, LET ME JUST GET FRANK BEFORE BECAUSE WE, WE REALLY NEED WHAT TIME? ANYONE COME IN THE OTHER YEAH, IF I HAVE TO LEAVE, I'LL TAKE FRANK NEED.
I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING ELSE.
WHAT'S UP? ANYBODY ELSE WAITING? THAT WAS GIBSON SO CRAZY.
REALLY? WHERE? GIBSON AND VIEW.
WELL NO, I WENT TO NORTHLAKE PLAINS AND THEN, YEAH.
YEAH, WHEN I WAS IN WOODLAND, THAT'S WHERE I WAS AT.
I WAS IN ADA THEN I WAS THERE.
WHEN I SAW IT THE OTHER DAY, I'M LIKE, YEAH, THAT PART, I DON'T REMEMBER THAT
YOU DIDN'T EXPERIENCE THINGS LIKE THAT? NOT WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL.
SO BEFORE, BEFORE THEY, UM, THEY BUILT THE HOUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY PROSPECT ON, THEY BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO THE WILLIAMS HOUSE.
AND THAT, BECAUSE I USED TO HAVE A POOL EVERY FLOOD IN MY, UM, BASEMENT.
AND ONCE THEY BUILT THAT HOUSE ON A PAPER STREET, I MAY ADD, UM, IT JUST REDIRECTED EVERYTHING.
SO THEN IT WENT FURTHER, FURTHER DOWN.
GIBSON I REALLY LIKE TO WITNESS SOMETIMES WHEN IT RING THE PARKING LOT, BUT MM-HMM
THAT'S WHEN THAT I WAS LIKE, WELL YOU'RE THE ONE THAT PUT DRAGO LAYING ON THE AGENDA.
COULD YOU COME INTO THE MEETING? NEVER, NEVER, NEVER.
WE'RE WAITING FOR THE SUPERVISOR.
SO PAUL, PAUL PUT, SO THIS IS, SO PAUL, HE'S NOT, THIS IS YOUR LEADING THIS.
SO WE'RE, WE WANTED TO DO A FOLLOW UP IN TERMS OF THE DRAGO YEP.
YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TOWN COULD, UH, COULD, YOU KNOW, DO TO HELP RESIDENTS.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME PROGRESS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTEN SOME, THERE'S BEEN SOME PROGRESS, BUT SLOW.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, JOE'S DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS WITH OUR ENGINEERS.
THERE'S A, A LIST AND A LETTER IS ALMOST COMPLETED, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT THAT SHOULD BE OUT, I WANT TO SAY IN A WEEK OR TWO.
WHICH WILL REALLY COMPILE THE HISTORY AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO GATHER THERE.
THEY WERE GONNA DO SOME LIGHTING BECAUSE I KEEP GETTING EMAILS FROM THEM.
WELL, AGAIN, THEY WERE GONNA DO LIGHTING.
WHO IS THEY PLEASE? FRED DRAGO IS THE NO, I KNOW.
I JUST WANT MARY TO KNOW WHO DAY IS THE PROPERTY.
HE HAS, I GUESS SOLD OFF LOTS.
THE DEVELOPMENT'S BEEN VERY PROBLEMATIC IN THE PACE THING.
UM, I KNOW THE RESIDENTS HERE HAVE CHILDREN AND WANT THE BUS TO COME AND PICK THEM UP, WHICH GENERALLY THE BUSES WON'T GO ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY TO PICK UP CHILDREN.
THERE'S THE ISSUE WITH THE STREET LIGHTING.
THERE'S THE ISSUE WITH THE PLOWING OVER THE WINTER MM-HMM
ULTIMATELY THE TOWN INSPECTS, WE CHECK, BUT WE DON'T SCHEDULE OR MANAGE THE WORK, SO WE RIGHT.
SO IT'S UP TO THE DEVELOPER TO DO WHAT THEY GOTTA DO.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE PACE IT'S GOING.
SO YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE LIVING OUT THERE IN HOMES THAT HAVE TCOS OR COS NO COS THERE'S
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NO COS TCOS.SO THEY'RE LIVING WITH TEMPORARY CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY THAT I'M SURE EXPIRED AT SOME POINT.
AND THE FINAL COS WON'T BE ISSUED UNTIL THE DEVELOPMENT IS DONE.
AND THE PACE OF WHICH THIS WORK IS GOING IS EXTREMELY SLOW.
SO THE NEXT, ARE WE ALLOWED TO INTERRUPT? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE PACE IS THE CORRECT WORD.
UM, THERE IS NO, NO, THERE IS NO MOVEMENT.
SO THERE HAS BEEN CAN YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELVES? HOW ARE YOU DOING? I'M TROY MILLINGS.
15 D DRAGA, UH, PRESIDENT MEET YOU ALL.
UM, YEAH, I I WOULD SAY PACE WOULD BE AN EXAGGERATED TERM.
THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY MOVEMENT.
AND OUR, OUR FEAR IS THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY MOVEMENT.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE WORD, UH, TO INSPECT, WHICH IS ANOTHER CONCERN OF OURS BECAUSE TO BE AT THIS STAGE OF DEVELOPMENT A LOT FROM THE LOTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD WAS IF THERE WAS INSPECTIONS DONE, WHERE DO THEY EXIST? BECAUSE HOW DID WE GET TO THIS POINT? ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONCERNS WITH THE WETLANDS.
UM, ALL THE INSPECTIONS FOR THE HOMES AND THE CONDITIONS.
IF THOSE INSPECTIONS ACTUALLY DID OCCUR, ARE THEY DOCUMENTED? AND IF SO, WHERE ARE THEY DOCUMENTED? I JUST WANTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING, THAT CAME TO MY MIND.
SO THE TEAM THAT'S IN PLACE NOW, JOE, MYSELF, FRANK, LIZ, TOWN ENGINEER, EVERYBODY'S SO, HOLD ON.
SO DEPUTY ATTORNEY HAS BEEN WORKING ON, MOST OF THE STAFF HAS BEEN IN THEIR CURRENT POSITIONS FOR TWO YEARS TO THREE YEARS.
SO WE'VE BEEN DIGGING BACK INTO THE WEEDS IN PARTICULAR WORKING WITH THE BOND HOLDER OF MOST RECENT TO GET THAT GOING.
SO WITH INSPECTIONS, THEY SHOULD ALL BE HELD WITHIN TOWN HALL.
UM, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THINGS, SOME THINGS IN THE PAST MIGHT HAVE BEEN DONE INAPPROPRIATELY.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE IS AS AVAILABLE AS POSSIBLE.
IN RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE PACE I WAS BEING TRYING TO BE KIND
UM, THE LIGHTS, THE LIGHTS ARE THE NEXT ITEM.
THERE HAVE BEEN SUBMITTALS BACK AND FORTH.
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ORDERED AND THEY SHOULD BE INSTALLED.
AND BUT THAT'S COMING FROM, RIGHT, THAT'S COMING FROM THE DEVELOPER.
WE HEARD THAT A FEW YEARS AGO.
THE SAME THING WHERE WE HAD, WE CONTINUED TO FOLLOW UP, RIGHT? WE'VE ASKED ABOUT STREET LIGHTING GUIDE, RAIL INSTALLATION, TOP COURSE OF THE ASPHALT STORM WARNER MANAGEMENT, HOA ORGANIZATION, UM, VEGETATIVE STABILIZATION CLEANING, DRAINAGE AND SEWER AS BUILT SURVEYS, CLOSURE OF OPEN PERMITS.
AND WE'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO ROBERT MARTIN COMPANY AS WELL, WHO'S INVOLVED.
AND HE, THE REPRESENTATIVE IS ALSO STAYING ON TOP OF DRACO, UM, IN REGARDS TO ALL THOSE FEATURES AS WELL.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE FULL PICTURE OF WHAT HAS BEEN DONE YET.
IT'S BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS STILL IN THE EARLY STAGES OF PROCESS.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PROCESS AS A NEWER BOARD MEMBER.
SO AT WHAT POINT DO DEVELOPERS GET FINED FOR NOT COMPLETING THE WORK? EXACTLY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A FINE REALLY IF THIS, AGAIN, WE, WE OF DEVELOPMENT GOES THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS.
THERE'S THE PLANNING BOARD ULTIMATELY APPROVES THE PLAN.
A BOND IS SET ON THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE WORK.
SO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT GOES THROUGH AND DOESN'T ESTIMATE OF WHAT THEY THINK IT WOULD COST TO COMPLETE THAT WORK IF IT WASN'T FINISHED.
AS THE, AND GENERALLY WE DO NOT TAKE A ROAD OVER UNTIL THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE.
AND YOU MIGHT HAVE A LOT HERE OR THERE THAT DOESN'T GET BUILT, BUT FOR SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION IN THIS CASE, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A METHOD TO FIND, WHAT I DO BELIEVE IS A METHOD TO PULL THE BOND.
AND AT SOME POINT THAT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE WAY TO POSSIBLY GET, THERE'S NOTHING IN BETWEEN.
MAY, MAY, I, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? I'M, I'M DR.
AND BY THE WAY, I USED TO LIVE ON 82 PROSPECT AVENUE AND WE MOVED OUT OF THERE BECAUSE WE GOT FLOODED AND WE GOT FROM ONE PROBLEM TO THE NEXT.
AND NOW WE ARE UNRAVEL AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A CORRUPT PERSON WHO STARTED THIS PROCESS IN 2017, SUPPOSED TO BUILD 15 HOUSES.
I'M GONNA BRING YOU UP TO DATE.
AND HE STILL GOT PERMITS FROM THE TOWN.
AND THIS GENTLEMAN IS TELLING ME HERE THAT THERE'S
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A DELAY.HE HASN'T SHOWED UP IN THE, IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT IN A WHILE.
SO YOU CAN SUGARCOAT IT, BUT THIS IS A SCAM.
AND YOU GUYS ARE LETTING A SCAM HAPPEN IN FRONT OF YOUR NOSES.
AND I KNOW THIS IS BEING RECORDED, OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT AFRAID OF SAYING IT BECAUSE I AM FIGHTING HIM IN COURT WITH TWO LAWSUITS AND I DON'T WANNA HAVE A THIRD ONE.
SO WHY DON'T WE WORK TOGETHER? WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO DO? OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT POOR, OTHERWISE WE DON'T BE LIVING IN THAT STREET.
IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THERE'S A PAPER WHERE IT SAYS THAT A TREE CAN BE ALLOWED TO BE GROWN IN THE WATER BASIN THAT HE BUILT AND THAT IS LEGAL, THEN I WILL STOP.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF TREES GROWING WHERE HE BUILT A WATER BASIN AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE, ONE OCCASION WHEN HE DID ANY MAINTENANCE AND WE'RE ALL GONNA GET FLOODED.
I ALREADY GOT FLOODED, SO I MOVED OUT FROM ONE FLOOD TO ANOTHER.
AND YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME THAT IT'S A SLOW PROCESS.
SO SINCE 2017, IT'S A SLOW PROCESS.
THIS IS INSULTING AND YOU KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE I EMAILED YOU A BUNCH OF TIMES AND I EMAILED MRS. HENDRICKS WHO SUGGESTED THAT WE SHOULD GO AND TELL THE BUSINESS BORROWER ABOUT HIM.
REALLY? DO WE KNOW THAT? DO WE, DO WE KNOW THAT I'M GONNA FINISH HERE? THAT NO PEOPLE WHO IS SUING ANOTHER PERSON CAN ACTUALLY GO TO THE BOROUGH AND REPORT THIS PERSON? I ASK HER TO DO IT BECAUSE SHE'S NOT SUING HIM.
I, I SPOKE TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY OF CONSUMER PROTECTION TODAY, AND YOU ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO BRING A COMPLAINT.
THEY, THEY MAY STAY IT AS AN INTERNAL POLICY, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THEIR CODE.
AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS DID ASK ME TO LOOK INTO THIS, UM, AS THE ATTORNEY, GREAT, IF YOU CAN, I'LL GIVE YOU MY EMAIL, SEND YOU THAT INFORMATION.
I'LL BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE CAN I, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF YOUR LAWSUIT? WE'RE GOING TO TRIAL.
WHEN IS THAT? HE MYSTERIOUSLY HIS ATTORNEY GOT SICK TWICE.
SO IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN, I BELIEVE, APRIL, THEN JULY.
LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN OCTOBER.
HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED? AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT YOU'RE GONNA PULL THE, THE MONIES FROM THAT BOND, UNOFFICIALLY, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN THAT BOND.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, PLEASE, TO DO ANYTHING.
SO SOMEONE APPROVED RELEASING MONEY TO THIS SCAMMER WITHOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE WORK WAS DONE.
WHO SIGNED THAT PAPER? YES SIR.
'CAUSE THERE'S GOTTA BE A PAPER THAT, THAT GOES BACK INTO THE QUESTION THAT I ORIGINALLY POSED AS THE PERMITS, RIGHT? SO IF TOWN HALL SIGNS FOR THE PERMIT, THEN TOWN HALL SHOULD HAVE THE PERMIT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY WEEKS WE NEED TO FIND IT.
WHEN IT SHOULD BE HERE IN YOUR DATABASE.
WOULD BE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS.
A ADDITIONALLY, UM, I FOUND DOCUMENTATION, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ON A DEEP DIVE WITHIN THE WEST WESTCHESTER COUNTY CLERK THAT SPECIFIES CLEARLY THAT THE TOWN RESERVES THE RIGHT AND THEY SHOULD BE REGULAT RE REGULATING.
UM, THERE'S TOWN CODE TREE ORDINANCE STREET AND SIDEWALK REGULATIONS, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW.
THIS IS AN ENTIRE NEW SUBDIVISION THAT WAS BUILT AROUND WETLANDS THAT ARE PROTECTED.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEC AS WELL.
SO WHERE HAS THE REGULAR INSPECTIONS BEEN? AS THIS WAS ONGOING.
THERE WAS A LAWSUIT BECAUSE SOMEONE GOT HURT ON THE JOB.
SO THESE ARE SAFETY ISSUES, RIGHT? SO AT THAT POINT, IT'S LIKE, WOW, WE NEED TO MAYBE PAY MORE ATTENTION INTO THIS CONSTRUCTION, THIS SUBDIVISION, RIGHT? WE HAVE ANOTHER LAWSUIT.
HE HASN'T FINISHED ANY HOUSES.
WE HAVE WETLANDS THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED.
THERE'S, SO THERE'S MITIGATION PLANS.
THE FORESTERS SUPPOSED TO COME AND CHECK.
YOU KNOW, THERE THERE WAS PROPERTY LINES THAT WERE MISMARKED.
SO, I MEAN, EVERY ISSUE THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED POSSIBLY HAPPENED WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION.
AND THERE'S NO RECORD WITH, AND YOU PULLED IT UP WHEN WE HAD THE BOARD MEETING TO SHOW FROM 2016 DOWN TO 2023, THERE'S NO RECORD EVEN.
HOW DID THE STREET GET NAMED THAT? I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD'VE NEEDED TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL.
BUT IT WAS NAMED AND THERE'S A SIGN AND WE WE'RE ACTUALLY FIGHTING TO HAVE HIS NAME REMOVED.
SO TO ME THERE SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS EITHER GROSS NEGLECT OR SOMEONE IS COMPLICIT WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND ALLOWED ALL OF THIS TO HAPPEN AND GO ON, ON THEIR WATCH.
AND NOW US RESIDENTS WHO PLAY A LOT OF TAXES ARE JUST SITTING AND SAYING, LET'S WAIT.
OH, HE'S GONNA SEND THE ELECTRICAL PLANS AND GET IT DONE.
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FINISHED ANYTHING.HE'S NOT GOING TO FINISH IT UNLESS SOMEONE COMES DOWN AND SAYS, HEY, EITHER WE'RE JUST TAKING OVER THE ROAD, THE BOND, WHICH, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BOND? SO THERE HAS TO BE A, A PUSH.
THEN THERE'S, THERE'S THERE'S BACK AND FORTH OR THERE'S WORK IN PROGRESS.
'CAUSE THERE'S ZERO PACE OR THERE'S, THERE'S A FINE, RIGHT? SO YOU, WE MENTIONED THE DEC, WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE TOWN HALL IS HERE AND THE DEC IS ACROSS THE STREET.
SO WE HAVE AN AGENCY THAT IS HERE TO PROTECT.
WE LAND WETLANDS AND ACTUALLY CAN FIND, UM, RESIDENTS WHO DON'T PROTECT THOSE WETLANDS.
YOU HAVE A SUBDIVISION THAT'S NOT PROTECTED, WHY ARE THEY NOT INVOLVED? WHY ARE WE NOT WORKING TOGETHER? IT'S JUST, IT FEELS VERY INTERESTING THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE TAKING PLACE.
THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION OF ANY OF IT FOR YEARS.
AND HERE WE ARE WITH HOMES AND STILL NO DOCUMENTATION YET AS RESIDENTS.
EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO MUST BE DOCUMENTED, INSPECTED, OVER, INSPECTED, SENT TO THE COUNTY CLERK AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, YET THERE'S GROSS NEGLIGENCE AND NO ONE DOES ANYTHING.
SO, JOE, IS THERE ANYTHING, ANY FOLLOW UP THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY DO OR SHOULD WE ASK FRANK? HE WAS HERE BEFORE, IF HE COULD, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT, I, I MENTIONED THE FOLLOW UP THAT MY OFFICE HAS BEEN DOING, SPEAKING TO ROBERT MARTIN COMPANY AND THROUGH THE DEVELOPER TALKING ABOUT THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS AND PUSHING FOR THOSE ITEMS TO BE ADDRESSED.
ONE OF THEM BEING STORM, UH, THE LIGHTING.
I DID BELIEVE YOU SAID SPECS, LIGHTING, STORM WATER WERE SENT OVER TO FINALLY GET THAT PUT IN.
WHAT IS A TIMELINE? THERE'S NO TIMELINE HERE.
I CAN'T TELL YOU AN EXACT TIMELINE RIGHT NOW.
SO WHAT IS THE PLAN WHEN WE'RE NEXT YEAR? WE'RE HAVING THE SAME CONVERSATION AND YOU'RE STILL IN TALKS WITH ROBERT MARTIN AND THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE WE, WE'VE EXPERIENCED, WE'VE DEALT WITH HIM.
WE'RE IN LITIGATION WITH HIM AS WELL.
SO WE, WE WE'RE ALREADY PREPARED AND KNOW THAT HE'S NOT GONNA, HE'S JUST GONNA TALK AND SAY AND, AND THERE'S GONNA BE NO FOLLOW UP, NO ACTION.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE PLAN THEN? AT WHAT, AT WHAT POINT DO DOES THE TOWN SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, IS IT 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS? ARE WE JUST LIVING ON A UNFINISHED STREET WITH NO STREET LIES THAT IS NOT PAID ANY? WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE ROLE OF THE TOWN CAN BE IN THIS SITUATION? PLEASE, LIKE, LEGAL TO THE MIC.
I HONESTLY WOULD LIKE TO SAVE SOME OF THIS FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.
HOWEVER, WE ARE WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF DOING WHAT WE CAN DO AS A TOWN WITHOUT GIVING LEGAL ADVICE ABOUT YOUR OWN EIGHT PERSONAL COMPLAINTS.
WE CAN'T NECESSARILY GET INVOLVED IN THAT.
DEC I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO, I I KNOW YOU'RE NOT.
I'M JUST ADVISING, ANSWERING THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF ME.
UM, DEC WE CAN SEE, REACH OUT TO THEM, SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT THE ISSUE.
THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD DEC HAS NOT BEEN, UH, INVOLVED, BUT THAT, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE.
NO, BUT IT, I I I'M, BUT THEY'RE THEIR OWN.
THAT'S THE ISSUE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THIS AGENCY IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOUR OFFICE RESPECTFULLY.
LIKE THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET IN THAT BUILDING, RIGHT? I'M JUST SORT OF WONDERING, THE THING THAT I SORT OF FIND CONFUSING, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THAT THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, YOUR OFFICE HAS SAID THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH THE TOWN COULD DO.
IS THERE, IF WE WANTED TO BE, IF THE TOWN BOARD WOULD SAY WE WANT TO BE REALLY AGGRESSIVE AND WE WANNA DO EVERYTHING HUMANLY POSSIBLE TO HELP, ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE? UH, YOU KNOW, GO, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD BECAUSE NO.
GOING FORWARD TO NEW DEVELOPERS AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS YES.
SO YOU CAN'T EVEN CHANGE THE NAME OF THE STREET.
YOU CAN'T WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT.
WE'VE, WE'VE ADVISED ON THAT ALREADY.
NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT IS THERE ANY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN UPDATE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THERE, LIKE WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE.
WE SAID THAT LAST TIME THAT THERE WOULD BE AN UPDATE LIKE NEXT WEEK.
BUT THAT IT WOULD BE CHANGED TO WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE AND WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING THAT OCCUR.
NO, YOU SAID THAT, YOU SAID THAT THERE WOULD BE AN UPDATE AND YOU WOULD REACH OUT IN THE WEEK.
RIGHT? BUT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE STREET CHANGED NAME CHANGE.
RIGHT? WE DID SAY THAT LAST MINUTE, BUT, BUT I'M WONDERING, IS THERE, FOR EXAMPLE, SAY WITH THE DEC, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED IS, IS THERE ANY ACTION THAT THE TOWN COULD TAKE WHERE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING OUT WHERE WE COULD AS A BOARD, REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DEC AND SAY, WE WANT YOU TO TAKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ACTION OR REACH OUT TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ASKING FOR AN INVESTIGATION OF WHAT HAPPENED OR YOU, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE LAW GOING FORWARD WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, BUT
SO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERS SHOULD HAVE HAD A TECHNICAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPROVEMENTS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS DONE OR WHERE THE DOCUMENTATION IS TO SHOW THAT THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
SO, I MEAN, I'M ONLY LOOKING WITHIN THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN THE WEST, JUST THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE.
SO I KNOW WE TALK ABOUT THE TOWN CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
BUT I'VE LITERALLY READ IN HERE WHERE YOU, YOU, YOU
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ARE THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY, RIGHT? SO THAT THESE THINGS SHOULD HAVE BEEN REGULATED AT WHY CAN'T IT, YOU JUMP IN AND, AND DO SOMETHING NOW ENFORCES HIM, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU NOT SUE OR, OR IS THERE IT NOT, YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO, IS THE TOWN TO, AT THE, IS THE TOWN, DOES THE TOWN HAVE LIBERTY TO FIND ANYONE? RIGHT? IS IS, IS THEY DON'T HAVE LIBERTY TO FIND ANYONE.WE NEED AN ENFORCEMENT PROVISION AND ENFORCEMENT GUIDELINES TO SHOW WHAT THOSE FINES CAN BE, RIGHT? SO THAT, IN THAT TERMS, IT WOULD BE IF THE DEC SAYS SOMETHING AND YOU GUYS WORK WITH THEM AND THEY FIND REASONABLE CAUSE THEY, THEY COULD HAVE THEIR OWN FINES AND THEIR OWN PROVISIONS.
SO WOULD THE NEXT STEP BE TO REACH OUT TO THE STATE DECI THINK THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO TALK TO OUR TOWN ENGINEER WHO USED TO WORK FOR THE DEP.
HE KNOWS STORMWATER AND I KNOW HE'S BEEN ACTIVELY LOOKING AT ALL THIS.
SO I RESPECTFULLY WILL SAY TO YOU, HE HE'S AWARE OF THE SITUATION.
YEAH, HE WAS ALREADY WORKING SITUATIONS.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW.
WE BRING IN FOR THE FIRST TIME WE KNOW JASON CAP, HE WAS IN DEPOSITIONS AND WE WERE, HE WAS INVITED TO SOME OF THE DEPO DEPOSITIONS AND I WAS ABLE TO READ THE DEPOSITION BY JASON CAP AND I WAS ABLE TO READ THE DEPOSITION BY, BY DRAGO DRAGO'S NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING.
SO I I YOU DON'T NEED ME TO TELL YOU IT'S PUBLIC DOMAIN.
YOU CAN FIND, READ WHAT, UH, JASON CAP SAID DURING HIS DEPOSITION WITH DR.
HE'S NOT GONNA SUPPORT ANYTHING.
SO YOU GUYS CAN GO AROUND AND TRY TO TELL US, YEAH, NO, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS AND THAT, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION A FEW MONTHS AGO BECAUSE WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION TWO YEARS AGO.
I REMEMBER THAT I WALKED OUT OF THAT MEETING RIGHT WHEN YOU WERE TELLING ME EVERYTHING IS PRIVATE.
SO IF YOU GUYS ARE ON YOUR OWN, NONETHELESS, I LIVE IN A HOUSE WHERE I HAVE A BASIN IN THE BACK WHERE THERE'S A MANHOLE WITHOUT A CAP AND I HAVE KITS IN THE HOUSE AND NO ONE CARES.
AND I MENTIONED IT TO YOU AND I MENTIONED IT TO DRAGO, AND NO ONE CARES.
THE EXAMPLE, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU WITHOUT A MICROPHONE, DON'T WORRY, IS WHAT WE WANT.
WE SOLD THE 82 PROSPER AVENUE BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD.
WE SOLD THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE.
BECAUSE YOU AS A TOWN DID NOTHING.
SO WE LEFT A PROBLEM TO GET INTO A BIGGEST PROBLEM, RIGHT? AND NOW I HAVE TO SELL THE 88 PROSPER AVENUE WHERE MY PARENTS LIVED BECAUSE THE SAME ISSUE LAST YEAR.
MY PARENTS WENT THREE MONTHS WITHOUT ELECTRICITY, WITHOUT GAS BECAUSE OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS.
I SPENT $90,000 ON THE BASEMENT.
THEY MADE ME DO EVERYTHING, ARCHITECT, ENGINEER.
AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED A FEW WEEKS AGO THERE, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE COULD STOP A STORM.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK THAT WE HAVE THIS UNBELIEVABLE POWER.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP A 500 YEAR STORM COMING IN ABOUT FOUR HOURS WITHOUT ANY WARNING.
WE HAVE A METEOROLOGIST JUST FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WHO ADVISES US.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST, BUT TO SAY, LOOK, YOU DID 80,000, $90,000 OF WORK THAT WORKED AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED, LIKE AS IF WE COULD STOP THAT.
NO, NO, THAT'S NOT JUST CAN'T, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, WE JUST CAN'T.
NOW WHAT WHAT WE MEAN BECAUSE WE OWN THAT HOUSE.
WE HAVE THREE PROPERTIES HERE AND NOW WE HAVE ONLY HER PARENTS' HOUSE AND OURS IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A 500 YEAR STORM TODAY, YOU HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE NEXT 500 YEAR STORM.
THAT IS GONNA HAPPEN NEXT YEAR.
I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP THE FLOODING FROM A 500 YEAR STORM.
I UNDERSTAND THE INFRASTRUCTURE, EXCUSE ME, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN MOST MUNICIPALITIES IN THIS COUNTRY ARE FOR A 25 YEAR STORM.
THAT'S A ONE IN 25% CHANCE, BUT OF, OF HAVING A STORM, ONE IN 25 ADDRESS HOW WE ARE BEING PROACTIVE ON THE FLOODING ISSUES, RIGHT? IN THE LAST MEETING, UH, ABOUT, AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT, BUT THAT WILL HELP ADDRESS THE MORE ROUTINE STORMS. BUT NOTHING IS GOING TO STOP THE FLOODS THAT WE SAW.
AND IT, IT'S, IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SAD TO SAY IT'S NOT A POPULAR THING FOR A POLITICIAN TO SAY.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT A 25 YEAR STORM SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE WHEN YOU GET SO MUCH RAIN IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
THE THE, THE PIPES ARE JUST TOO SMALL.
OKAY? AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE THE FLOOD TOPIC IS HEAVY AND WE'RE SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE TOWN.
BUT I'M SPECIFIC TO THIS TOWN AND WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT WE HAVE, UH, STORMWATER SYSTEMS AND DRAINAGE SYSTEMS THAT
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WERE NOT INSTALLED ACCURATE CORRECTLY.WE DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS APPROVED BECAUSE THERE'S NO RECORD OF IT AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, OR YOU CAN SEE OR, OR I DON'T KNOW.
YOU CAN SEE, AND I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE SOMEONE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AS TO WHERE IS ALL THE DOCUMENTATION? WHY ARE WE NOT ABLE TO SEE ANYTHING, UM, YOU KNOW, RECORDS OF INSPECTIONS, BUT ALSO THIS IS GOING TO BE A HUGE FLOODING ISSUE AS WELL FOR OUR STREET THAT YOU, YOU'RE ALREADY DEALING AND EXPERIENCING WITH.
SO WE'RE TELLING YOU AND ASKING YOU, HOW DO YOU, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET AHEAD OF THIS? BECAUSE NOTHING IS BEING MAINTAINED.
IF I MAY, YOU KNOW, I, AND WE ALL ARE REALLY TERRIBLY FEEL, FEEL FOR, FOR WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH.
SO DON'T THINK FOR A MINUTE THAT WE DON'T AND THAT WE DON'T CARE.
AND I THINK WHAT, YOU KNOW, JUST ISOLATING THE FLOODING FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE THESE A HUNDRED YEAR AND 200 YEAR STORMS HAVE BEEN HITTING US OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
ANYTHING THAT WAS DESIGNED BEFOREHAND DIDN'T, DIDN'T PREDICT THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT IS PARTLY DETERMINED BY THE FEMA MAPS THAT WE ARE GIVEN AND WHAT THEY, WHAT THAT, THAT HAS DETERMINED FOR US AND HOW, HOW, UM, PIPES WERE SIZED AND SEWERS WERE SIZED.
WE JUST COULDN'T, COULDN'T BE PROACTIVE ON THAT AS FAR AS THE DEVELOPER NOT DOING HIS JOB.
AND I THINK THAT THE, THE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER FA, UM, AS HE SAID BEFORE, MOST OF THE STAFF INVOLVED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECT, UM, MOST OF THE STAFF INVOLVED ARE NEW, RELATIVELY NEW, CERTAINLY SUBSEQUENT TO WHEN THE, THE DRAG AWAY WAS FIRST ENVISIONED AND SO FORTH.
SO IT, WE ARE TRULY LOOKING TO FIND THE DOCUMENTATION, BUT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN UNDER OUR WATCH, IT'S NOT AS EASILY ACCESSIBLE.
ARE, ARE, ARE THESE NOT, ARE I THINK THE COMMISSION WAS GONNA ADDRESS THEM.
I'M JUST, ARE THEY NOT PUBLIC RECORDS? OF COURSE.
SO I'M, I'M JUST, JUST, THIS IS NOT LIKE I LOST MY HOMEWORK UNDER THE BED.
RIGHT? THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS.
I DON'T CARE IF YOU WORKED TWO YEARS AGO OR IF YOU WORKED 10 YEARS AGO.
IF IT'S PUBLIC RECORD, IT SHOULD BE IN A DATABASE.
IT SHOULD TAKE A DAY AT MOST TO PULL UP THAT DATABASE TO FIND THAT INFORMATION.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THREE MONTHS.
I'M STILL WAITING TO SEE THE PERMITS.
YOU ASKED ME LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.
I'M STILL WAITING TO SEE THE PERMITS.
EITHER THEY DON'T EXIST, RIGHT, RIGHT.
OR YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ONE UP, WHICH LIKE, THEN, THEN, THEN THEY SHOULD BE HERE.
YOU, IF YOU WOULD LET ME LET THE COMMISSIONER PLEASE LET THE COMMISSIONER EXPLAIN.
I JUST, RICH IS, RICH IS GOING GO RICH.
I'M SAYING WE, WE ARE, WE ARE.
HAVE YOU HERE AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING.
WE UNDERSTAND YOUR ANGER AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE BEEN SUFFERING.
WE ARE APPROACHING THIS ALL IN GOOD FAITH, THIS GROUP HERE IN GOOD FAITH.
SO AS YOU SAID, WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, RIGHT? SO ALL THE RECORDS WE HAVE ARE PUBLIC, WAS THERE, AND I'M, I'M, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE JUST, WAS THERE A FOIL PUT IN? IT'S NOT FOR A, IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S TECHNICALLY AN OFFICIAL FOIL.
NOT THAT WHAT I SAW, NOT THE EMAILS WE'VE HAD BACK AND FORTH THERE, THERE WAS A FOIL THAT WAS SUBMITTED ON THE PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME.
AND THAT IT WAS SUBMITTED ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
ONE, THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO WHERE THE BUILDING PERMITS FOR, UH, WHICH WAS, OKAY, I HAVE THE EMAIL.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS MADE INTO AN OFFICIAL FOIL.
SO THIS, SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR RECORDS.
WHERE, WHERE IN THE PROCESS OF PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER.
ALRIGHT, SO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS WHERE THIS PROJECT WOULD'VE BEEN BORN, RIGHT? A DEVELOPER COMES IN WITH A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THEY SHOW THE LAYOUT.
I THINK IT, THIS IS GOING YEARS BACK.
I BELIEVE IT WAS FEL AT THE TIME, WHICH IS NOW AI.
THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO COME UP WITH THE STORMWATER, EVERYTHING AT THAT POINT.
SO WE'LL DIG AND WE'LL FIND IT.
I'M SURE IT'S ALL WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S GOT PERMITS AND, AND THE INSPECTIONS THAT WERE DONE ON THE WORK, YEAH, IT SHOULD ALL BE THERE BECAUSE I WOULD FIND IT HARD PRESSED TO SEE THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS DONE IN TERMS OF STORMWATER AND WAS DRAINAGE, IF IT WAS, THAT IS GROSS NEGLIGENCE.
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NO, I, AND AGAIN, YOU AND I MEAN, NO DISRESPECT, I KEEP HEARING ABOUT THIS THREE MONTHS.I WAS NOT AWARE THAT ANYBODY WAS WAITING ON INFORMATION.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU IT'S THIS, THESE PROJECTS.
I'M SORRY, CAN YOU WHAT? SAY THAT YOU DIDN'T, I'M HEARING NOW, AGAIN, AT MY LEVEL I GET FOILS.
WHEN I GET FOILS, I PASS THEM ON TO THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD RESPOND TO THEM.
I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN MY DIRECT OFFICE.
SO I WOULD SEND IT TO JASON OLA, MARTINO DE BRUSO, UH, ANYBODY INVOLVED IN DPW THAT MIGHT HAVE THE, THAT FOIL WOULD ALSO GET SENT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY WOULD PUT THAT RECORD TOGETHER IF THEY GET IT BACK TO THE TOWN CLERK.
AND THAT INFORMATION IS SENT TO THE PERSON OF FOIL.
SO IT WAS A FOIL SUBMITTED OR NOT? I'M JUST CONFUSED.
WHEN WAS THAT? I DO NOT HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, BUT, UH, THE, THE FOIL, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UM, MR. AND MRS. MULLINGS DID, UH, WAS THERE A 20 DAY OR WAS IT A, UM, AN EX WAS NOT AN EXTENSION.
WAS THERE A DATE CERTAIN GIVEN TO YOU? NO.
WAS THERE A, DID YOU HAVE A ISSUE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A FOIL OR NOT A FOIL? NO, NO, NO.
YEAH, IT WAS DEFINITELY, I HAVE THE EMAILS AND CORRESPONDENCE OUTSIDE THE FOIL PROCESS.
I DON'T, BUT I CAN LOOK AT MY THAT'S THE QUESTION.
WHAT? BECAUSE THAT'S THE QUESTION.
YOU KNOW WHAT MONTH? AROUND JULY.
I DEFINITELY, AND THERE'S OTHERS.
I KNOW BRUNO, YOU TOOK OUT A REQUEST A WHILE AGO.
WAIT, THAT WAS NOT MY ADMINISTRATION.
THAT WAS NOT MY ADMINISTRATION TWO YEARS AGO.
SO THE FACT THAT WE ARE OBVIOUSLY UPSET DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE'RE NOT ACTING IN GOOD FAITH.
AND I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE ACTING IN GOOD FAITH.
'CAUSE IT'S VERY EASY TO HEAR.
BUT IF I SEE YOU DROWNING, IT'S A PRIVATE MATTER.
SO SHOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO WORK WITH US.
DO YOU WANT TO HAVE MEETINGS EVERY MONTH? I'M HERE.
I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT I'LL TELL MY PATIENTS BEFORE I DO SURGERY.
LIKE I'M GONNA SAY, GONNA DO TOMORROW MORNING, WORK WITH ME.
BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T WORK WITH ME, THINGS ARE NOT GONNA TURN OUT FINE.
AND I WANNA WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMEONE WHO HAD SEEN BAD FAITH, WHO PUT MECHANIC LIENS ON HOUSES.
AND HE SAID IT, AND I'M NOT INVENTING IT.
HE SAID IT DURING THE POSITIONS.
HE EVEN TOLD US, I'M GOING TO INCREASE THE, THE, THE, THE, WHICH LEGALLY HE CAN'T, THE MECHANIC LINK AMOUNT BECAUSE THIS PERSON AND THIS PERSON AND THIS PERSON ARE SUING ME.
SO NOW IF, IF, IF I MAY, UH, MS. HENDRICKS, I EMAILED YOU.
I'M ASKING YOU TO HELP ME TO HELP US OR LET'S WORK TOGETHER TODAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANSWERS.
IT'S OBVIOUS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THEM.
SO WHEN ARE WE GONNA MEET AGAINST, ARE WE GONNA MEET AGAIN SO WE CAN HAVE ANSWERS? PLEASE.
YOU, YOU, YOU ASKED ME TO CALL TO REACH OUT ON YOUR BEHALF AND THE ATTORNEY DID REACH OUT.
WE COULDN'T, I DIDN'T GET BACK TO YOU BECAUSE HE WAS LOOKING INTO IT.
AND IT IS COMPLICATED, BUT FAIR ENOUGH.
WE ARE, WE WANT TO ACT IN GOOD FAITH TOO.
SO, UM, LET US START FROM HERE.
LET IT AND OUR ATTORNEY, LET'S CONTINUE.
LET'S CONTINUE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA GET THERE RIGHT NOW.
ARE WE HEARING THE COMMENT, DEAN, ARE WE HEARING THE COMMENT? DEAN? I'M NOT GINA.
I, I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF THINGS SAID THIS EVENING AND ACCUSATIONS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE'VE ACTED IN GOOD FAITH.
SO YOU'VE GOTTEN IT, YOU, YOU'VE SAID IT, BUT I JUST WANNA START RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH WITHOUT THE ACCUSATIONS.
WELL, LET'S SEE WHERE THE FOIL PROCESS IS AND WHERE THE DOCUMENTS ARE.
MAY WE CREATE A LIST OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS NEXT TIME? THAT THAT IS WHERE, THAT'S HOW, THAT'S HOW I RUN THE DEPARTMENT.
WE SET UP A DEADLINE AND WE, WITH SOMEONE DOESN'T BRING THE INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED, THAT DEADLINE.
THEN WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHY DIDN'T YOU BRING IT? WHAT HAPPENED? BUT THEN WE HAVE
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A LIST AND WE HAVE A DEADLINE.CAN WE CREATE A, A LIST AND A DEADLINE PLEASE? THE DEADLINE.
I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE FOIL DEADLINES AND, AND LOOK AT WHAT THE DEADLINE WAS SET.
AND, UM, IN THE MEANTIME, I'M DRAFTING AN EMAIL TO YOU RIGHT NOW THAT IF YOU WANT ME TO PIECEMEAL INFORMATION TOGETHER AND NOT GET YOU EVERYTHING AT ONCE, I COULD DO THAT.
SO I COULD PROVIDE SOMETHING IN THE MEANTIME, AS LONG AS I'M NOT MESSING UP THE FOIL PROCESS.
I WANNA LOOK INTO WHAT THAT SAYS AND WHAT THE DUE DATE IS.
UM, THE FOIL, THAT'S ITS OWN SEPARATE PROCESS.
THE FO THE FOIL PROCESS WILL INVOLVE YOUR OFFICE.
AND ANY INFORMATION THAT THE DEPARTMENTS WOULD'VE, RIGHT? ANY DEPARTMENT.
AND LET ME JUST BE, JUST CLEAR, THE FOIL THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UM, BY THE MULLINGS THAT WAS ADDRESSING VERY SPECIFICALLY THE NAME CHANGE AND THOSE WERE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE COULD NOT LOCATE.
IT WAS LITERALLY WE CANNOT FIND, SO, SO OUR CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT MUCH MORE DOCUMENTATION THAN JUST THAT.
CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT I ASSUMED.
AND THAT'S WHY I SAID ABOUT PIECE MAILING ASPECT OF IT.
'CAUSE WE DON'T PIECEMEAL CORRECT FOIL BECAUSE THEN THAT MESSES UP FOIL LAW MOVING FORWARD.
CORRECT? I'M GONNA JUST SAY THIS.
I'VE SAT HERE, I, I WASN'T PART OF WHEN THE, THE APPROVAL PROCESS WITH ALL THIS, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN SAY RIGHT NOW THAT'S GOING SAY, THAT'S GONNA MAKE YOU HAPPY OR IS GONNA TAKE ANY OF THIS FRUSTRATION AWAY THROUGH.
I'M FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THIS IS A, THIS HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED.
THIS IS, THERE ARE CURRENT LITIGATION THAT'S GOING ON.
WHAT I KNOW FROM THE TOWN ATTORNEY, FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSIONER AND THE BUILDING THAT EVERYONE IS TRYING TO WORK TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING.
SO I DON'T WANT YOU WISE TO LEAVE THE TABLE THINKING THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN BE BETTER ASSISTANCE.
BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE, THAT WE DON'T HAVE JURISDICTION OVER AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR.
SO I'M NOT NEGATING ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND I TRULY UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.
I'M JUST NOT GONNA PICK THINGS OUT OF THE SKY AND SAY, HEY, LET'S DO THIS.
BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE FALSE PROMISES TO YOU AND SAY ON JANUARY ONE, WE'RE GONNA BE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA BE ON JANUARY ONE.
WHAT I WILL LIKE TO SEE IS THAT LIST AND WE CAN FIGURE HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO CHECK THAT THING OFF.
BUT YES, WE ARE DEALING WITH SOMEONE WHO DID NOT COMPLETE THEIR JOB.
THEY DID NOT COMPLETE THEIR CONTRACT.
AND WE ARE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
AND, AND THIS IS REALLY, AND I'VE ASKED THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, I DON'T SIX YEARS NOW.
SO WE'VE ASKED HAS, AND I'VE ASKED, HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED WITH THIS? THIS IS BRAND NEW TO US.
AND SO, SO, SO UNDERSTAND TOO, WE DO SHARE YOUR FRUSTRATION.
THE REASON WHY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A MAGIC W SAY TROY, UM, MR. MR. AND MRS. MULLINS, I'M SORRY I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR DR.
I, I DON'T HAVE A MAGIC W SAY THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO.
'CAUSE TOMORROW THIS IS WHAT WE CAN CHANGE.
'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT TOO.
WE'RE LOOKING AT FEDERAL WEBSITES, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO GOING, WHAT WE CAN DO FOR, LET ME JUST FINISH REALLY QUICKLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS GOING FORWARD, WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
NOT GONNA ALLOW, I, I APPRECIATE IT.
YOU SAID THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T DO, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE AN ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW ABOUT IT MM-HMM
BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HELP US, WE WILL DO IT.
AND THAT'S, AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO GET THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HELP YOU.
WHICH IS WHY, WHICH IS WHY IN THAT CASE, LET'S START BY A GOOD FAITH MEASURE BY CHANGING THE NAME FIRST AND PROVIDING THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE, RIGHT, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
WHY DON'T WE START WITH THOSE TWO THINGS? SINCE WE'RE NOT GONNA CREATE A LIST TODAY.
LET ME JUST POINT OUT TWO THINGS.
HONESTLY, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE NUMBERS, BUT THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM AS THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE THAT NEFARIOUS NAME ON THE STREET, WE'RE ALL GONNA BE HAPPY.
I I THINK THE, I THE COMPROMISE WAS THAT, AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, AND WE'VE SPOKEN TO EVERY, EVERYBODY ON THE SUBDIVISION, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE IT.
THE COMPROMISE WAS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO ADD A ONE IN FRONT OF EVERYONE'S ADDRESS? RIGHT? SO LIKE HE, THERE'S A SIX, I'M SIX DRUG, ONE OR SIX.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIX FOR FIRE SERVICES.
TYPICALLY YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS FALL INTO A CERTAIN FORMAT SO THEY KNOW SEQUENCE TO KEEP FOLLOWING THE RIGHT PATH.
I'M, I'M ONLY ASKING THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A SIX WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE.
AND HE'S SIX DRAG AWAY AND THERE'LL BE TWO SIX WEST.
THERE WILL NOT BE, THERE WILL NOT BE TWO.
I'M WRITING FOR ENGINEERS NOW.
THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY COME UP WITH A PLAN.
THE NUMBERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED.
HAS THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED? THE NUMBERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED.
WE'RE ALREADY COMMITTING TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE STREET.
THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON MM-HMM
RIGHT? UM, SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? HOW IS, BUT YOU CAN'T NOT CHANGE NUMBERS SO THAT THEY'RE IN A SEQUENCE.
WAS THERE A LOOPHOLE? 'CAUSE I KNOW BEFORE, AND YOU HAD SAID THIS,
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MR. FINER WAS THAT IT WAS A PRIVATE ROAD SO THEY COULD CHANGE THE NAME.SO IS, WAS THERE A LOOPHOLE OR A WORKAROUND TO HOW YOU GUYS WERE ABLE TO DO THAT? FIRST DEPUTY ATTORNEY LOOKED INTO IT.
SHE WENT INTO THE STATE LAW AND FOUND A WAY TO GET IT DONE.
SO SHE JUST FOUND IT PROPER WAY, HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE IT DONE.
SO IT DOESN'T COME AND NOT, WE WANNA MAKE, WE WANT, WE, AGAIN, WE ARE, BUT WE ARE COMMITTED.
AND AGAIN, I I I DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE WE CAN POSSIBLY SAY, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE STILL AT THE SAME PLACE WHEN YOU MAYBE WE CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE CLARITY TO, TO WHAT WE CAN'T DO AS WELL AS WHAT WE CAN DO.
SO YOU'RE NOT LIKE WAITING ON THINGS THAT WE CAN'T EVEN TOUCH.
I MEAN, I WOULD BE WONDERING THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
IF I WERE, YOU KNOW, BOUGHT A PROPERTY IN A TOWN AND THE DEVELOPER WAS NOT RESPONSIVE, WELL WHAT CAN THE TOWN, WHAT CAN'T THE TOWN DO? I'M WONDERING, WE'RE LEARNING THIS TOO BECAUSE THIS IS ALL NEW TO US.
JOY, I'M JUST SORT OF WONDERING, UM, THERE'S PROBABLY, THIS PROBABLY HAS HAPPENED ELSEWHERE IN THE STATE AND I'M WONDERING IF, UH, MAYBE THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS OR, UH, THE NEW YORK CONFERENCE OF MAYORS WE COULD REACH OUT TO AND SEE IF THERE, IF ANY, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ALREADY.
I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT TO ASSOCIATIONS.
NO, I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S LIKE ANY LEGAL ACTIONS OF THE TOWN THAT OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE AND MAYBE WE COULD LEARN FROM THE EXPERIENCE.
I, I THINK THEY, THEY, PAUL, THEY'RE DIGGING.
ARE WE
THEN WE CAN LEGALLY, I CAN'T GO IN THERE AND LEGALLY IN NEW YORK STATE SPEND MONEY, PUBLIC MONEY TOWARDS A PRIVATE BENEFIT.
ONCE THAT ROAD IS DEVELOPED AND IT'S DEDICATED, NOTHING WILL MAKE US HAPPIER THAN TO HAVE THE SERVICE IN THAT AREA SERVICING AREA, GOING IN THERE, CLEANING EVERYTHING UP, HAVING THE NEW STREET SIGN UP AND ALL THIS GO AWAY.
AND THE ROADWAY IS DEFINITELY IN HIS NAME.
IF, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT IN THAT BOND, THAT PROBABLY, I'LL GET THAT TO YOU.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TO PAY FOR THE STORMWATER.
SO IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD MATT.
IF WE CAN AS, AS, AS YOU SUGGESTED, IF YOU, I'M JUST COMPILING SOMETHING THAT SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WHICH IS CREATING A LIST THAT'S A GOOD IDEA OF YOUR CONCERNS, CREATING THE LIST.
AND THEN WE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT'S WITHIN OUR PURVIEW AND WHAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW.
AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A REGULAR DISCUSSION TO GIVE YOU UPDATES ON ALL THOSE ITEMS. BUT AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT IS CLEAR DIRECTION.
YOU WILL HAVE THAT LIZ, BEFORE MONDAY AT WHO SHOULD BE OUR POINT OF CONTACT PLEASE, JOE, OUR TOWN ATTORNEY WILL DO.
AND THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH AND JUST SAY WHAT WE CAN AND CONNECT AND, AND I WANNA SAY THANK, I AM SAYING THANK YOU BECAUSE I DO APPRECIATE, BUT I KNOW THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT AN EASY TIME AND I KNOW THE FRUSTRATION, I MEAN FROM WHAT YOU, JUST FROM ONE EXPERIENCE TO THE NEXT EXPERIENCE.
AND I, UNTIL WE MENTIONED THAT THIS IS NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS, THIS CAN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
WELL WE'VE ALREADY PUT THAT IN PLACE.
JUST COULD YOU JUST MENTION THE CURRENT STAFF AND THE CURRENT PROTOCOLS IN PLACE? I'M CONFIDENT THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.
SO THIS, IN TERMS OF PROTOCOL, IT'S THE PLANNING BOARD PROCESS AND NOTHING LEGISLATIVELY OR IS IT BASICALLY JUST, UH, POLICIES? I NOT, NOT AT THIS POINT.
IT'S PO INTERNAL POLICIES, ESPECIALLY HOW OUR DIFFERENT, UM, UNITS FUNCTION TOGETHER WHEN APPROVING EVERYTHING.
HOWEVER, AS I'VE SAID, AND WE'RE NOT DONE YET.
WE'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THE CODE AS WELL, RIGHT? YEAH.
OKAY, I'D LIKE TO MOVE WE GO INTO, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING PERSONNEL MATTERS LEADING TO THE REMOVAL OF A PARTICULAR PERSON AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING PENDING PROPOSED