[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, September 3, 2025 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2025 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
AARON, WOULD YOU PLEASE TO THE ROLL TEAM, MS. DAVIS? HERE.
MS. MOYER? HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBER JOHAN SNAGS AND OUR ALTERNATE EMILY ANDERSON ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA DO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
NOW, THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING IN JULY, I BELIEVE.
THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF AT THE LAST MEETING.
UM, SO THAT'S BEEN VOTED UPON.
WE JUST HAVE THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 4TH.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THE AUGUST 4TH MINUTES? UH, NO.
SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 4TH? SO MOVED.
AND MAY I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
ALL OPPOSED? DID YOU READ THROUGH THEM? I HERE SO I'M OPTING OUT.
SO WE HAVE ONE AB UH, ABSTINE FROM MICHELLE MOORE, AND NEXT UP IS CORRESPONDENT CASE NUMBER PB 2130.
THIS IS FOR AN EXTENSION ON AN AMENDED SITE PLAN.
AND WE HAVE, UM, KATE ROBERTS HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A TWO YEAR EXTENSION OF CASE NUMBER PB 2130, UH, THE CASAL PROJECT DOWN ON SAW MILL RIVER ROAD IN HASTINGS.
THERE'S MULTIPLE ADDRESSES, THERE'S MULTIPLE PROPERTIES THAT THEY WERE COMBINING.
UM, I CAN TURN THINGS OVER TO MS. ROBERTS.
UM, SO YES TO ERIN'S POINT, WE, AFTER WE GOT OUR, UM, FINAL SUBDIVISION SITE PLAN APPROVALS FOR THIS PROJECT, WE DID, UM, GO THROUGH THE LENGTHY PROCESS OF GETTING THE SUBDIVISION PLAT, UM, APPROVED BY ALL THE APPLICABLE AGENCIES.
AND, UM, NOW WE'VE JUST BEEN WORKING WITH THE DOT TO GET THE REQUIRED PERMIT IN ORDER TO COMMENCE THE WORK, UM, REQUIRED PURSUANT TO THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL RESOLUTION.
SO, UM, I DID ACTUALLY JUST GET WORD TODAY FROM OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT THE SITE PLAN OR THAT THE DOT PERMIT, UM, WE'RE, THE PLANS ARE FINALLY COMPLETE AND, UM, WE'RE JUST, OUR CLIENT IS SIGNING AND SENDING A CHECK.
SO WE SHOULD HOPEFULLY HAVE THE DOT PERMIT IN HAND RELATIVELY SHORTLY, AND THEN WE'LL OBVIOUSLY NEED TO DO THAT WORK PLUS GET THE TOWN REQUIRED PERMITS.
UM, SO THE EXTENSION IS JUST TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME FOR THE CLIENT TO GET THAT DONE.
JUST TO NOTE, UM, THE CURRENT PERMIT IS SET TO EXPIRE SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2025.
AND WE WILL BE, UH, VOTING TO APPROVE A TWO YEAR EXTENSION.
SO THAT WOULD TAKE US OUT TO SEPTEMBER 21ST, 2027 IF CORRECT.
SO SITE PLANS AND STEEP SLOPE PERMITS, UH, ARE GENERALLY ISSUED FOR TWO YEARS, AND THE BOARD HAS THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE OR, UH, CONSIDER UP TO A TWO YEAR EXTENSION.
IT'S DIFFERENT THAN SUBDIVISIONS, WHICH A LOT OF TIMES WE SEE 180 DAYS.
OKAY, SO HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH THEY'RE ASKING FOR EXTENSION? TWO YEARS.
THIS IS THEIR FIRST EXTENSION, BY THE WAY.
IT'S NOT IN THE, IT'S NOT ON THE ACTIVE PLANNING.
SO IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM THE EXTENSION FOR TWO YEARS, I'M GONNA NEED A MOTION.
WE'LL GET THIS OUT TO YOU BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
NEXT UP IS OLD BUSINESS CASE NUMBER TB 25 0 5 AND PB 25 DASH 22 BETHEL KNOWLES.
SO THIS IS BETHEL KNOWLES AT 55 GRASSLANDS ROAD, AND THIS IS A, UH, TOWN BOARD MAP AMENDMENT TO, OH, I'M SORRY, PLANNING
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BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND WETLAND WATER CROSS PERMIT.GOOD, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M A PARTNER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF ZAN AND STEINMETZ HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, BETHEL HOMES INC.
UM, BETHEL IS, UH, PROPOSING BETHEL IS THE NONPROFIT OPERATOR OF, UH, THE KNOWLES AT 55 GRASSLAND ROAD.
UM, THEY ARE, UH, PRO PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE COMMUNITY BY ADDING, UH, 75 ADDITIONAL INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS.
UM, WE ARE PROCESSING A, UH, ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO REZONE THE SITE INTO THE R 30 DISTRICT, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, SITE PLAN, A SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATION BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD BECAUSE UNDER YOUR CODE, THE TOWN BOARD HAS JURISDICTION OVER, OVER THOSE ASPECTS.
UM, TOWN BOARD IS SERVING AS LEAD AGENCY, BUT HAS REFERRED US OUT TO YOUR BOARD TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH YOU BOTH ON THE CCRA REVIEW FOR A RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS RECOMMENDATION ON THE ZONING.
SO AT THIS POINT WE'RE HERE, UH, ON, ON THAT ASPECT, OR THAT'S THE PROCEDURAL POSTURE.
UM, WITH ME TONIGHT JUST TO INTRODUCE THE TEAM IS ANASTASIO MARCO POLOS, WHO IS, UH, THE CEO AT BETHEL.
UH, JAY MICHAEL ORCI, WHO'S THE OWNER'S REP.
UM, PATRICK MTOR FROM EGA ARCHITECTS, THE PROJECT ARCHITECT, UH, COLLECT DELORO AT LANGAN ARE THE PROJECT ENGINEERS AND MY COLLEAGUE VINCENT PONE, WHO YOU PROBABLY KNOW AS WELL.
UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT REALLY ON A PROJECT UPDATE.
UH, WE ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING OUR PLANS.
WE HAVE SOME HOMEWORK THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY STAFF, UM, TO REALLY PROVIDE YOUR BOARD WITH A FULL PACKET.
UM, HOWEVER, WE WANTED TO COME TO YOUR BOARD TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A, UH, UPDATE TO THE PLAN, UM, AFTER MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORS WHO YOU MAY REMEMBER, UM, UH, APPEARED AT THE LAST MEETING AS WELL AS, UH, MEETING WITH THE STAFF AND TAKING SOME COMMENTS FROM YOUR BOARD.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S TEAM HAS REVISED THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING SUCH THAT THE, THE NORTHERN SECTION AND, AND, UH, THE TEAM WILL GO THROUGH THE SECTION IN A SEC SECOND, BUT THE NORTHERN SECTION HAS BEEN MOVED BACK ABOUT 12 AND A HALF FEET, A LITTLE OVER 12 AND A HALF FEET.
UM, WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THAT WE NO LONGER NEED A SIDE YARD VARIANCE AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, ALSO IT DOES PULL THE BUILDING MUCH FURTHER BACK FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE.
PROVIDES US WITH A LOT MORE SCREENING OPPORTUNITY, UM, AND, UM, BE ABLE TO, TO WORK WITH THE, THE ROAD DIMENSIONS, ET CETERA.
UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT IS THE ARCHITECTURE, 'CAUSE THAT WAS THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN BEEN COMPLETED.
SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THE, THE CHANGES AND, AND, AND SHOW YOU THE NEW ARCHITECTURE.
WE WILL BE BACK TO YOU, UH, HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER AT YOUR MEETING IN SEPTEMBER WITH FULLY ENGINEERED PLANS, ALL OF THE APPLICATION FORMS UPDATED AND, AND REALLY A FULL PACKET.
BUT, UM, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? THE NEIGHBOR'S OTHER CONCERN WAS WITH THE RETENTION POND BEING SO CLOSE TO THEIR PROPERTY, ARE YOU AMENDING THAT AS WELL? UM, WE, WE CAN TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT.
I MEAN, THE, THE ENGINEERING IS STILL IN, IN PROCESS, BUT YES, THERE'S BEEN SOME CHANGES THERE AS WELL.
AND THEN QUESTION AARON, FOR YOU, BECAUSE THERE'S THE WHOLE IS, IS THERE OR ISN'T THERE A WETLAND WATERCOURSE, WHAT SHOULD THE BUFFER ZONE BE? MM-HMM
IS THAT ANSWERED OR NOT ANSWERED YET? YES.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT AND THE PROJECT TEAM RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A BUFFER THAT EXTENDS ONTO THEIR SITE FROM ACROSS THE ENTRY DRIVE THAT COMES INTO THE PROPERTY.
SO THAT'LL BE UPDATED ON THE PLANS AND SHOWN AND DISTURBANCES WITHIN THAT BUFFER ZONE WILL BE IDENTIFIED AS WELL.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER ZONE THING, 100 FOOT BUFFER? CORRECT.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT OF THE POND TO THE NEIGHBOR? WHAT BUFFER OR VARIANCE SETBACK SHOULD BE WITH THAT? SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN ENGINEER WOULD REVIEW.
THERE'S NO, NOTHING WITHIN OUR CODE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN DISTANCE, BUT THEY ARE DISTANCING FROM THE PROPERTY PRETTY, PRETTY FAR.
BUT YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, YOU'RE IN PROCESS OF REVIEWING THE PROJECT WITH THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD.
IF YOU COULD JUST TOUCH ON KIND OF WHERE THINGS STAND.
I THINK YOU HAD A SITE VISIT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.
LET ME, LET ME DO THAT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE, THE SITE PLAN.
SO YES, THE, THE, THE SITE ITSELF USED TO BE THE, THE LOCATION OF, UM, UH, SORRY, I'M BLANKING ON ST.
MARY'S IN THE FIELD SCHOOL, WHICH WAS A, A, A VERY LARGE EDUCATIONAL FACILITY BUILDING THAT WAS DEEMED ELIGIBLE FOR LISTING, UH, BY SHIPPO BACK IN THE EARLY NINETIES.
AT SOME POINT, BETWEEN THAT ELIGIBILITY DETERMINATION AND THE BUILDING OUT OF THE PROPERTY IN, IN THE TWO THOUSANDS OR NINETIES, THAT BUILDING WAS, WAS DEMOLISHED.
SO THE, SO THE, THE ST THE ST.
MARY'S IN THE FIELD BUILDING ITSELF IS NO LONGER THERE, THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT WAS PART OF THE CAMPUS THAT STILL LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME HAS BEEN BUILT OUT, UM, AND EXPANDED TO NOW THAT'S THE SENIOR, UH, DAYCARE CENTER THAT'S SORT OF THE PARKING LOT AREA WHERE IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR THE SITE VISIT, THAT'S WHERE WE PARKED.
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OF THAT PORTION OF THAT BUILDING IS STILL THE, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE NINETIES.SO WE TOOK A TOUR OF THAT PART OF THE BUILDING WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC BOARD, UH, A WEEK OR TWO AGO.
UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF CAN'T BE PRESERVED IN, IN PLACE BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
AND ALSO NOW THAT WE'VE MOVED THE BUILDING BACK FOR A BIT BETTER SETBACK, WE'RE ACTUALLY WELL BEYOND WHERE, WHERE THAT HIS OR CALL THAT HISTORIC, BUT THE OLDER BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS.
UM, SO WE SPEND MOST OF THE MEETING GOING THROUGH THE BUILDING LOOKING FOR, UM, PARTS OF THE BUILDING THAT COULD BE EITHER BE SALVAGED AND REUSED AS PART OF OUR PROJECT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER DONATED OR, OR GIVEN TO OTHERS TO USE IN OTHER PROJECTS.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE BOARD.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN, UM, FEATURES THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IS THERE'S A, A NICE MARBLE, UH, FIREPLACE MANTLE, UM, ON WHAT, WHAT IS SORT OF THE FIRST FLOOR OF THAT, OF THAT BUILDING, UM, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FEATURES LIKE THAT, UM, THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS POTENTIALLY PRESERVED.
SO, UM, JUST CLEAR ME, CLARIFY FOR ME.
THEY WANT YOU TO RETAIN AN ARTIFACT TO PUT INTO ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT? UH, I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY WILL BE THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT SOME ONE OR TWO OF THOSE ITEMS, IF FEASIBLE WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE, INTO THE, THE, THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, IF NOT THEN PRESERVED AND DONATED OR, OR GIVEN TO OTHER, UM, I GUESS ORGANIZATIONS OR, OR COMPANIES THAT, UH, REUSE THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF, UH, FEATURES.
SO WHAT HAPPENED TO, UH, AND MAYBE AARON OR, OR, UM, AMANDA CAN ANSWER, UM, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DESIGNATION FOR THAT BUILDING? SO DOES THAT GO AWAY? WELL, I I DON'T KNOW IF THAT THAT BUILDING ITSELF WAS EVER, NOT NOTHING WAS EVER DESIGNATED, WHETHER IT WAS THE FIELD FIELD BUILDING OR, OR THIS BUILDING.
UM, THEY WERE BOTH IDENTIFIED AS ELIGIBLE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN 2025 THAT HAS NOW BEEN BUILT OUT AND USED AS A SENIOR, UH, YOU KNOW, DAYCARE CENTER IS ACTUALLY STILL ELIGIBLE IN SHIP SHIPPO'S EYES.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT IT IS, WE, WE WOULD'VE TO, TO WORK WITH, WITH THE, OKAY.
BUT QUESTION, SO WHEN YOU BUILD THIS, A NEW SENIOR DAYCARE, HOW IT WAS KIND OF CAPTIVE AND WHY YOU DIDN'T DEMOLISH IT AT THAT TIME? SO IT WAS A PRIOR OWNER.
SO THE HISTORY HERE IS, IS THAT THE, THE KNOWLES COMMUNITY WAS, UH, ALMOST IN BANKRUPTCY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO OR SO.
THAT'S WHEN BETHEL CAME IN AND SAVED THE COMMUNITY AND, AND IS NOW GET IT BACK.
SO CAN YOU PROVIDE US SORT OF A BACKGROUND WHY IT WAS SAVED AND WHY IT WAS NOT DEMOLISHED AT THAT TIME, WHICH YOU'RE PROPOSING TO DO IT.
AND IF YOU HAVE SOME VISUALS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO SHARE.
I MEAN, I WANNA STUDY, I KNOW, I'M SORRY.
HE JUST SAID HE DOESN'T KNOW WHY THEY DON'T, BUT I'M SAYING IT'S NO, NO, NO, THAT'S FINE.
UH, I, I THINK THAT HISTORIC BOARD ASKED, YOU KNOW, TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT AND THE TEAM CAN DO SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, THE USE, AND MAYBE SOMETHING WILL TURN UP IN TERMS OF WHY THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS RETAINED AND UTILIZED FOR, YOU KNOW, IN CONNECTION WITH THE INITIAL PROJECT ON THE SITE, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
THAT'S WHAT THE HISTORIC BOARD'S CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN.
IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN FIND IT THERE, THERE, YOU KNOW, CANDIDLY, THERE ISN'T MUCH OUT THERE PARTICULARLY ON, ON THIS ONE STRUCTURE, BUT IF WE CAN, SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING, IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN'T, NONE OF THAT WILL HOLD IT UP.
YOU, YOU JUST WILL MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO RIGHT.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, SOMEONE IS GOING TO BRING UP AFTER YOU SPEAK.
ACTUALLY, LET ME, LET ME AT THIS POINT, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, THAT BUILDING, LET ME TURN IT OVER TO, TO PATRICK TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THE, THE REVISED FOOTPRINT IN, IN THE BUILDING.
PATRICK MCDO, PRINCIPAL AT EGA ARCHITECTS.
UM, HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT.
UM, I'LL GO THROUGH THIS RELATIVELY QUICKLY.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK HOPEFULLY THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD PRIOR TO THIS, UM, MAKES IT FAIRLY CLEAR WHAT WE DID.
UM, YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME THINGS THAT, BECAUSE THE ENGINEERING HASN'T CHANGED, WE HAVE, HAVEN'T UPDATED SOME RENDERINGS YET BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE, WHAT SOME OF THE RETAINING WALLS AND SOME OF THE, THE NEW LANDSCAPING IS GONNA BE WHEN YOU GET THE PACKAGE AGAIN LATER THIS MONTH, WE'LL HAVE UPDATED THE RENDERING SO THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE REFLECTIVE OF THE, UH, ACCURATE PROPOSED CONDITION.
UM, STILL THE SITE, UM, STILL THE LOCATION FOR THE PROJECT.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE ON ALL THE, THE PLANS THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED TO YOU IS WE'VE SHOWN THE F THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN IN YELLOW AT THE TOP YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE AREA WHERE THE FOOTPRINT USED TO BE.
SO THE BUILDING IS ESSENTIALLY, UM,
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DAVID SAID 12 AND A HALF FEET.IT'S ACTUALLY 10 AND A HALF FEET.
WE'VE MOVED IT BACK AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE WERE ROUGHLY SPEAKING 66 FEET AS A SETBACK NUMBER.
UM, THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED.
NOW WE'RE CLOSER TO 78 FEET, NOT QUITE 78 FEET.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE EXCEEDED THE 75 FOOT REQUIREMENT.
THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BETWEEN US AND THE NEIGHBORS IS GROWING.
HOPEFULLY THE RETAINING WALL BETWEEN US AND THE NEIGHBORS IS BECOMING SMALLER BECAUSE WE CAN GRADE IT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTLY.
BUT IN ESSENCE, THE PLAN IS REMAINING THE SAME.
WHAT WE'VE DONE TO ACCOMMODATE MAKING THE, THE PLAN SMALLER IS THERE'S A LEG OF THE BUILDING HERE IN THE MIDDLE THAT RUNS NORTH SOUTH.
WE'VE ESSENTIALLY SHRUNK THAT LEG AND USE THAT TO PULL THE REST OF THE BUILDING BACK AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
SO WHERE IT USED TO BE TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS, NOW THEY'RE ONE BEDROOM, 10 APARTMENTS.
WE'VE MADE UP THE DISTANCE BY MAKING THE APARTMENT SMALLER.
WE'VE ACTUALLY LOST AN APARTMENT AS A RESULT OF THIS.
UM, I THINK ONE OPPORTUNITY TO REUSE SOME OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING.
THERE'S A, A NEW COMMON SPACE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT HERE THAT'S PART OF A SECONDARY ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CREATE A, A ROOM SPECIFICALLY SORT OF DESIGNED AROUND THE IDEA OF THAT EXISTING BUILDING, UM, WITH SOME ELEMENTS THAT SORT OF TIE INTO ITS HISTORY IF WE FIND THAT IT, THAT HISTORY IS, IS WORTH REPEATING, I THINK.
UM, BUT THE REST OF THE PLANS SORT OF GO THE SAME WAY.
UM, EVERY FLOOR IN THAT WING OF THE BUILDING, AGAIN, IS MOVING FARTHER AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, BUT THE REST OF THE PLAN AS IT MOVES UP THE HILL TOWARDS THE EXISTING CAMPUS IS NOT PROPOSED TO BE CHANGING FROM WHAT YOU'D SEEN PREVIOUSLY.
SO AGAIN, PLANS HAVE THAT YELLOW STRIPE THAT SORT OF SHOWS WHERE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT USED TO BE, UM, AND THEN SHOWS YOU WHERE THE PROPOSED FOOTPRINT IS.
UM, ELEVATIONS CHANGED SLIGHTLY.
SO AGAIN, THAT LEG GOT A LITTLE NARROWER SO THAT, THAT DRAWING IN THE MIDDLE, UM, IS THE MOST AFFECTED BY THAT.
UM, IN HERE, THAT SORT OF FACADE GOT SHORTER, UM, IN LENGTH AS THE, THE BUILDING GOT SMALLER AND MOVED AWAY FROM THE THING.
THE NET RESULT IS ABOUT 2000 SQUARE FEET LESS OF FOOTPRINT IN THE PROJECT IN TERMS OF FAR.
SO IT'S A ALMOST A ROUNDING ERROR.
THE, THE FAR BEFORE WAS 0.23 THAT WE WERE PROPOSING.
IT'S DOWN TO 0.288 OR POINT NO, 0.228 INSTEAD OF 0.23.
UM, NOT A HUGE CHANGE, BUT THE BUILDING GOT SMALLER.
UM, THE OTHER THINGS ARE THE SAME.
SO AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THESE RENDERINGS HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED.
I THINK IT WOULD TAKE A PRETTY DISCERNING EYE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS RENDERING AND THE ONE THAT YOU'LL SEE AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
UH, BUT WE WILL UPDATE IT, UH, TO SHOW THE ANY LANDSCAPING CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN GONNA BE PROPOSED THROUGH HERE AND MORE SO THIS VIEW FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, AT THIS SCALE, MOVING THE BUILDING BACK 10 FEET, 10 AND A HALF FEET, ROUGHLY SPEAKING AGAIN, YOU'RE, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO NOTICE, UH, A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
BUT HOPEFULLY THAT RETAINING WALL IS GONNA GET A LITTLE SHORTER AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET MORE, UH, LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS AND THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
UM, THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION IS REALLY JUST THE CONTINUATION OF ALL THE, OF THE VARIOUS VARIANCES THAT WE'LL ULTIMATELY BE GOING FOR, BUT NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED IN TERMS OF THE YEAH, SIR.
APOLOGIZE, I'M SURE I MISSED THIS, BUT THE RATIONAL FOR, FOR GOING FROM PUD TO R 30 IS WHAT, WHAT'S DRIVING IT? UM, SO THE, THE, IT'S A, UH,
UM, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A DESIGNATION I THINK FROM, FROM MANY, MANY YEARS AGO BECAUSE, UH, BEAUTY DOES NOT PERMIT SENIOR, SENIOR LIVING EITHER WITH IN THE GROVE OR IN IN BETHEL.
UM, THE UNDERLYING ZONING AT SOME POINT WAS SPLIT BETWEEN R 20 AND R 40.
AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, WITH TOWN THE TOWN STAFF, THE IDEA WAS TO, UM, CLEAN UP THE ZONING MAP AND PUT IT IN THE R IN THE R 30 IS ONE FULL R 30.
SO IT WOULD BE, OUR SITE WOULD NO LONGER BE, WOULD NO LONGER BE SPLIT OR IN THE PUD.
UM, SO THE IDEA IS REALLY JUST, JUST TO CLEAN UP THE MAP.
DOES IT DRIVE DIFFERENT DENSITIES? NO.
AND WHY R STUDY THEN? AND NOT THE MULTIFAMILY OR THE, UM, CONTINUUM CARE ZONING.
SO CCRC IS PERMITTED UNDER THE R 30, RIGHT? RIGHT.
IT'S A PERMITTED USE UNDER, AND ALSO WE JUST, WE LIKE TO DISCOURAGE SPLIT ZONING FOR A PROPERTY, RIGHT? IT'S SORT OF A, A BIT OF A,
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AN ACCIDENT THAT THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT WAS R 20 AND THE PORTION OF THE R 40 ARE ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME SIZE.AND THAT'S WHY THE MATH WORKS OUT.
IF YOU TAKE TWO TIMES R OR 30 AND TWO TIMES R 20 AND TWO TIMES 40 AND YOU DIVIDE BY THAT, YOU'RE GONNA GET AN EQUAL NUMBER.
SO THE R 30 ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS FOR ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME DENSITY AS CURRENTLY IS ALLOWED ON THAT SITE, JUST IN A SIMPLER FASHION.
BUT SO YOU GOT ALREADY, UH, IT'S APPROVED THAT THE ZONING MAP HAS BEEN CHANGED? NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO ALSO THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, WHICH IS RUNNING THROUGH THE TOWN BOARD.
SO THAT WAS REFERRED TO THIS BOARD, UM, FOR ITS REVIEW REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE PUD.
AND INSTEAD OF HAVING THE UNDERLYING R 20 AND R 40 SPLIT ZONE, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACTUALLY RECOMMENDS AGAINST, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE IT REZONED TO R 30 ACROSS THE ENTIRE SPREAD OF THE SITE.
BUT YOU STILL HAVE DENSITY OF 290,000 VERSUS 78,000 PERMITTED, OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING? UH, WELL, I GUESS IT DE IT DEPENDS ON, ON WHICH ZONING YOU'RE, YOU'RE YOU'RE USING BECAUSE UNDER, UNDER THE P IT'S UNDER WHICH ZONING? YEAH, UNDER THE PUD AND THE PUD, NONE OF IT'S, NONE OF IT'S PERMITTED.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THAT'S REALLY THE CLEANUP THAT'S HAPPENING.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO COMBINE THE R 30, THE R 40 AND THE R 20, IT WOULD, IT WOULD STILL WORK BECAUSE, BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY UNDER THOSE TWO, UM, DISTRICTS USING THE, UH, AREA ON SITE THAT'S IN THE R 20 AND THE AREA THAT'S ON SITE, THAT'S R 40 WOULD STILL ALLOW 75 ADDITIONAL UNITS.
SO, SO IN YOUR SITE PLAN APPLICATION WHERE YOU SAY 78,000 IS PERMITTED AND PROPOSING 290,000 WAS THE 78,000 IS PERMITTED UNDER WHICH ZONE? I MEAN, SORRY, I'M, THAT'S WHAT I'M READING UNLESS I'M READING THE WRONG THING.
MS. IPLAN, THE SET PLAN APPLICATION, 78,000 UNDER THE, UM, UNDER WHAT, UH, 20 OR 40 PD OR 30 30 IS THE 78,000 PERMITTED UNDER WHICH ZONE? I THINK IT WAS THE SPLIT.
YEAH, 20 OR 30, ALTHOUGH I OH, WE'VE BEEN BEEN SO, UH, 30, PERMIT THE 290,000.
SO WHEN I'M ASKING WHAT'S DRIVING YOUR R 30 IS THE DENSITY, WHAT'S DRIVING YOUR PUSH TO R 30? THE, IT, IT WOULD, THE, THE QUESTION IS DO YOU GO FROM R 20? DO YOU DO THE, THE ENTIRE SET OF THE R 20, DO YOU DO THE ENTIRE SET OF THE R 40 OR DO YOU GO, DO YOU GO IN BETWEEN AND DO THE ENTIRE SITE OF THE RR 30? WE WOULD WORK, WHICH RIGHT, RIGHT.
LET, LET ME, LEMME FINISH ON THE R 20, IT WOULD ABSOLUTELY WORK.
AND THE R 30 WOULD, IT WOULD WORK IF YOU REZONE THE ENTIRE SITE TO THE R 40.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD WORK.
BUT THE ISSUE IS, HOWEVER, WHAT'S PROPOSED DOES WORK FOR WHAT THEY'RE SEEKING AS FAR AS DENSITY, BUT THEY SAY THEY PERMITTED 78,000.
THEY'RE ALSO, JUST TO ADD ONTO THAT, THE DENSITY BONUS, IT'S ALSO SHOWING A LOT OF AREAS 4 35, 600 IN THE PERMITTED AND SHOWING 1.271 MILLION IN THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE COUNTING ALL THE LAND AREAS.
BUT, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER ISSUE THAT, THAT YOU'RE SHOWING IS YOU DON'T, THE, THERE'S A DENSITY BONUS BECAUSE OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO THE SPECIAL PERMIT ALLOWS YOU, IT'S FIRST TWO TIMES THE AMOUNT OF, OF IL AND THEN, UM, BE, ARE YOU SEEING WHAT I'M SEEING? SORRY, THAT THEY, THEY PERMITTED 78,000 ON THE FLOOR.
IF, IF I MAY, IF I MAY JUMP IN, UH, MICHELLE, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FLOOR AREA, UH, THAT PERMITTED, I BELIEVE AS WELL AS AN EXAMPLE.
BUT THAT IS, THAT IS ZONING, UH, DISTRICT AGNOSTIC.
THE MAXIMUM FAR SHALL NOT EXCEED 0.18.
THAT IS REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR DISTRICT IS, UH, THE UNDERLYING ZONING ZONING, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO RECEIVE THAT AND WOULD NEED THE VARIANCE FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S ZONED SPLIT ZONE R 40, R 20 OR ZONED R 30, THE MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO FOR A-C-C-R-C IS 0.18.
SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCE THEN, CORRECT? CORRECT.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VARIANCES.
WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH ALL THAT.
AS WE CONTINUE TO DIVE INTO THE PROJECT PLANNING BOARD'S GONNA BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE VARIANCES.
THEY'VE INDICATED TONIGHT THAT AT LEAST ONE OF THE VARIANCES, THEY ENVISION BEING ELIMINATED AS PART OF THE REVISION TO THE PROJECT TO SHIFT THE BUILDING AN ADDITIONAL ROUGHLY 10 AND A HALF FEET AWAY.
SO THEY'LL BE GOING THROUGH ALL THAT AS PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
YEAH, BUT I SAW THERE ARE THREE VARIANCES THAT WAS MENTIONED.
I THINK THERE ARE MORE THAN 10.
SO, RIGHT, THERE'S, THERE'S A HEIGHT VARIANCE THAT'S, THAT'S REQUIRED.
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THIS ONE, SO THERE WAS, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD.THERE WAS A MEMORANDUM ISSUED JUNE 16TH, 2025 BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, UH, WHICH IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF VARIANCES, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, AND THEN AN EIGHTH TACKED ON, UM, HOWEVER THEY'RE REVISING THE PROJECT.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A GREAT USE OF THE BOARD'S TIME THIS EVENING TO GO THROUGH THEM, ONLY BECAUSE ONCE WE GET THE REVISED APPLICATION SUBMITTAL WITH THE UPDATED APPLICATION FORMS AND PLANS, THAT WILL ALL BE RECIRCULATED TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE AMONGST OTHERS, AND WE'LL GET AN UPDATED VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO AT THAT TIME.
UM, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND AHEAD OF, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME WE LOOK AT THIS, WHICH IS, COULD BE THE END OF THE MONTH.
SO WHAT ARE WE DOING TONIGHT? SO TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION IS ACTUALLY GIVING THEM AN EXTENSION? WELL, YEAH, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON TONIGHT.
SO FIRST OFF, WITH RESPECT TO THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT AND THE REFERRAL, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS 60 DAYS TO ISSUE A REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION, BUT IN THE CODE IT HAS TWO AS OF RIGHT, 30 DAY EXTENSIONS THAT IT CAN GRANT WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, CONSENT FROM EITHER THE APPLICANT OR TOWN BOARD.
IT CAN JUST DO THAT ON ITS OWN.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO TO KEEP US CURRENT.
THE SECOND PART OF COMING IN TONIGHT WAS THAT THEY WERE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED ANYWAY.
THEY WANTED TO INDICATE THAT THEY'VE MET NOT ONLY WITH, UH, A BOARD MEMBER OUT ON THE SITE AND STAFF, UM, THEY'RE ALSO IN PROCESS OF, UH, ADDRESSING MR. CANNINGS COMMENTS AND THAT THEY'VE MADE A REVISION BASED ON COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN AND THEY JUST KIND OF WANTED TO PRESENT THAT, AND THEN THEY'LL FINISH THE BULK OF THAT AND THE REVISIONS TO THE APPLICATIONS FINALIZING THE DRAWINGS.
THEY JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE THAT UPDATE SO WE DON'T HAVE, TO ME AND I SEE REFLECT IT'S MORE CONFUSING BECAUSE I TRY TO KIND OF PUT A, LIKE, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY LAYERS, ZONING MAPS, THEN THEY HAVE A, ALL THESE CONCERNS BY THE NEIGHBOR AND THEN BUILDING DEPARTMENTS', UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE VARIANCES.
SO I THINK YOU ARE ACTUALLY CONFUSING US MORE.
WELL, AT LEAST ME, I HAVE AN INTEREST IN SEEING OKAY, GO AHEAD.
I NEEDED TO SEE WHAT SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS WOULD BE, SO THEIR PRESENTATION GO AHEAD AND ANSWERING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE, UH, OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
SO I STILL DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL LET YOU, LET, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST BACK UP.
SO AT OUR LAST MEETING WHEN NOT EVERYBODY WAS HERE, BUT AT OUR LAST MEETING, IT ENDED AND GRANTED IT WAS LATE AT NIGHT, IT ENDED WITH, WITH A SUGGESTION, HEY, YOU SHOULD MEET, MEET WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAD.
SO WE DID THAT, AND WE'VE COME UP WITH, WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS, IS A GOOD APPROACH TO ADDRESS THE, THE CONCERNS WE WANTED TO COME TO YOUR BOARD, SAY WE BEING RESPONSIVE OR BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND WE'RE MOVING ALONG.
UM, INITIALLY WE HAD THOUGHT, UM, THAT WE COULD GET ONTO THE, THE SEPTEMBER, UH, 17TH AGENDA WITH A FULL PACKET, BUT IT TURNS OUT IT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT, YOUR AGENDAS ARE TOO FULL.
SO WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T MAKE THAT.
SO INSTEAD WHAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS COME BACK TO YOU TONIGHT, JUST GIVE YOU THE UPDATE, AND THEN HOPEFULLY COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER WITH A FULL BLOWN, WITH A FULL BLOWN PACKET.
WE DIDN'T MEAN IT TO, TO, UH, UH, CONFUSE ANYBODY.
WE WERE HOPING THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY BE HELPFUL, BUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, WELL, AND SO MAYBE I'D RECOMMEND IF, IF WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, HEAR THE UPDATE AND HEAR THE PRESENTATION, AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY OTHER LINGERING QUESTIONS WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE AT THAT TIME.
SO PATRICK
IT, IT JUST HAD TO DO WITH THE LANDSCAPING BECAUSE YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE 10 AND A HALF FEET WON'T MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
WHAT I WAS SEEING NEAR THAT RENDERING, IS THAT THE INTENTION IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU THINK WILL BE THERE? NO.
NO, AND, AND I, WHAT, WHAT I THINK PATRICK MEANT WAS IN TERMS OF YOU WON'T SEE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF THE, THE ARCHITECTURE.
BUT THE SETBACK IS SIGNIFICANT.
BECAUSE WE'RE GI WE'RE GIVING OURSELVES A LOT MORE ROOM TO WORK ON OUR, ON OUR SIDE WITH TALL LANDSCAPING, BEING ABLE TO, TO SCREEN THE BUILDING.
AND, AND SO LET, LET ME, LET ME TURN IT OVER TO COLETTE TO ALLOW YOU TO SEE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, COLETTE DELO, COLETTE DELORO, UH, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AT LANGAN, CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, SO JUST, YOU KNOW, AS WAS DISCUSSED, ONE SHOW SOME UPDATES IN REGARDS TO THE SITE ITSELF.
SO WITH THE BUILDING PUSHBACK, WE NO LONGER HAVE THIS VARIANCE, UM, IN THIS CORNER WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
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AND IN ADDITION, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SHIFT BACK THE PERIMETER ROADWAY HERE, AND AS A RESULT, THE RETAINING WALL THAT IS BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THE PROPERTY LINE.AND WITH THAT, WE'VE ACTUALLY GAINED MORE SPACE TO, TO, UH, PROVIDE DENSER BUFFER AND DENSER VEGETATION AND MORE TREES TO REALLY PROVIDE A PROPER SCREENING FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY ONTO THE WALL.
UM, AND IN ADDITION, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE THAT WALL HEIGHT, UM, AS MINIMAL AS POSSIBLE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO HARD BARRIER AND IT'S MORE NATURAL LOOKING UNDER THE PRIOR PLAN.
WHAT WAS THE ROUGH HEIGHT OF THE WALL? UM, I THINK IT WAS ABOUT NINE AND A HALF.
WE HAVEN'T DONE THE FULL REGRADING YET.
SO WE'RE HOPING TO JUST, IT MIGHT CUT OFF ANOTHER FOOT.
UM, IT'S NOT GONNA SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN IN THE REGRADING OF THE ROADWAY.
NOW, DOES THIS AFFECT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TURNAROUND FOR THE FIRE TRUCKS AT ALL.
SO THIS IS, THIS NEEDS TO BE RERUN FOR THE NEW SITE PLAN.
UH, BUT THIS IS ESSENTIALLY, IT WON'T MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
THIS IS PROBABLY THE TIGHTEST TURN, BUT THE FIRETRUCK DOES MAKE IT AROUND THE TURN DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, WITH ENOUGH CLEARANCE.
AND WE ARE PROVIDING A WIRE ROADWAY HERE, UM, TO MEET THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S 26 FOOT WIDE, UM, ROAD WIDTH.
SO THAT IS BEING PROVIDED ALL ALONG HERE.
AND ALSO F FACILITATES THE TURNING MOVEMENT, UM, AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
IF THE BASINS OVERFLOW, WHICH WAY DO THEY FLOW? SO STORMWATER, UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE, THIS NORTHERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FLOWS UNREGULATED, DETAINED TO AN EXISTING STORMWATER POND, WHICH IS IN THIS TOP LEFT QUARTER.
SO INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING DIRECTLY BACK IN, WE'RE ACTUALLY CREATING, UM, MEASURES FOR STORMWATER QUALITY VIA A BIO INFILTRATION BASIN, AS WELL AS STORMWATER QUANTITY TO, FOR ATTENUATION THROUGH A STORMWATER DETENTION BASIN.
SO WHAT ULTIMATELY HAPPENS IS YOU HAVE A FORAY FOR PRE-TREATMENT INFILTRATION SYSTEM FOR TREATMENT OF THE STORM WATER, AND THEN A BASIN THAT IT FLOWS INTO FOR ATTENUATION.
AND EVENTUALLY THIS FLOWS BACK INTO THE EXISTING STORMWATER POND.
UM, BUT IN OUR CALCULATIONS, YOU KNOW, AT THIS DESIGN POINT, SO WE HAVE THREE DESIGN POINTS.
UM, ONE WAS OVER HERE WHERE WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF FLOW.
ONE WAS ULTIMATELY TAKING THIS WHOLE AREA AND THE DESIGN POINT WAS OVER HERE.
AND THEN ANOTHER DESIGN POINT WAS THIS STORMWATER POND.
UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, ALTHOUGH WE ARE INCREASING IMPERIOUSNESS, WE ARE PROVIDING THESE ADDITIONAL STORMWATER MEASURES AND DECREASING DISCHARGE INTO ALL OF THESE POINTS BY ABOUT 25%.
AND, AND COULD YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH WHICH OF THESE, UH, DETENTION AREAS ARE OPEN AIR AND, AND WHAT ARE CLOSED? YES, CERTAINLY.
SO ALL OF THESE, UM, STORM WATER FEATURES WILL BE OPEN AIR.
NONE OF THEM WILL BE UNDERGROUND.
UM, SO THERE WILL BE SOME STANDING WATER, BUT ALL OF THESE BASINS ARE DESIGNED TO EITHER FILTER WATER OR BE RELIEVED OF WATER, UM, WITHIN 24 HOURS.
SO THERE WON'T BE STANDING WATER AND, YOU KNOW, ANY CONCERN, UM, IN THAT REGARD.
UM, ONE OPTION THAT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THIS REDESIGN TO, I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AND THE SIZE OF THESE BASINS.
UM, ONE THING WE CERTAINLY EXPLORE IS THIS FOUR BAY HERE, WHICH IS USED FOR PRETREATMENT.
WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN A, UM, PREFABRICATED UNIT, WHICH IS BASICALLY A MANHOLE WITH THE FILTRATION SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN USE THIS AREA A BIT MORE FOR THE INFILTRATION BASIN AND THE DETENTION BASIN, UM, AND MOVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE AWAY FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE.
WELL, SO THERE'LL ALSO BE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN AND MAINTENANCE PLAN AND, CORRECT.
SO WE HAVE A STORM WATER MA, UH, POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN, THE SW.
UM, AND WITH THAT, THERE WILL BE MAINTENANCE NEEDED FOR THESE BASINS AND, AND WHILE THEY'RE DESIGNED TO, TO CLEAR WATER WITHIN 24 HOURS, YOU KNOW, WHAT SORT OF BARRIERS OR OR OTHER MECHANISMS WOULD PREVENT INDIVIDUALS OR CHILDREN FROM FINDING THEMSELVES IN, IN A POOL OF WATER? YEAH, DEFINITELY.
SO AS PART OF, UM, THESE BASINS, THERE'S ACTUALLY REQUIREMENTS FOR PLANTINGS.
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SO WHAT THAT WILL CONSIST OF IS A MEADOW MIX.SO LIKE THE TALL GRASS MIX WITHIN THE BASINS.
SO, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D NECESSARILY WANNA GO PLAY IN THAT, UM, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DEPTH
AND YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO GET MY GRADING PLAN, BUT BASICALLY THEY'RE BURNED AND THEN IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY SUBTLE DIP.
SO THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS ON, UM, SLOPES OF THE BERMS ON EITHER SIDES.
SO THIS FIRST ONE, THE BIOFILTRATION BASIN, UM, WILL ONLY BE ABOUT A FOOT DEEP AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL BE GRADED MAYBE AT LIKE A THREE TO ONE SLOPE ON THE SIDES.
UM, SAME WITH THE DETENTION BASIN.
THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT DEEPER AT AROUND THREE OR THREE AND A HALF FEET DEEP.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY SUBTLE.
AND THERE WILL BE, UM, LIKE TREES AND OTHER SHRUBBERY PLANTED AROUND THEM IN SOME LOCATIONS, ESPECIALLY AGAIN, BUFFERING THE BASINS AND THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
SO WILL THEY ALSO BE FENCED? SO THEY, AROUND THE PERIMETER, BASED ON THE DEC, UH, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION REQUIREMENTS FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, WE DON'T NEED TO FENCE THEM BECAUSE THEY AREN'T, UM, THERE'S NO DEPTH CONCERN THERE WITH STANDING WATER AND DROWNING, WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, EXCEPT FOR THE STORMWATER FOUR BAY, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO LOOK TO ELIMINATE THAT IS THE ONE THAT IS FOUR FEET DEEP.
UM, AND THERE IS CONCERN THERE WITH SOME STANDING WATER.
SO, YOU KNOW, NOT FOR LONG, BUT YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE ARE PLAYING, YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FALL INTO.
THIS IS BEFORE THIS IS IN FRONT OF, OR BEHIND THE ROAD? THIS IS IN FRONT OF THE ROAD.
SO AS, YEAH, AS YOU'RE ON GRASSLANDS AVENUE.
WHICH IS HERE, YOU TURN ONTO THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S CURRENTLY LIKE A, LIKE A SLOPED LAWN MM-HMM
UM, SO THAT IS WHERE THESE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FEATURES WILL BE PLACED.
UH, AND, AND GOING BACK TO THE ROADWAY FOR A MOMENT MM-HMM
UM, I, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD FROM THE LAST MEETING.
SO THIS ROADWAY WOULD ONLY BE USED FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, IS THAT CORRECT? SO I HAVE, IS THIS EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD, OR WE'VE GOTTEN SOME CLARITY ON THE CIRCULATION OF THE AMBULANCES AS IT HAPPENS TODAY.
UM, AND WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS THAT THERE'S ABOUT 8.4 EMERGENCY EVENTS OR TRIPS PER MONTH.
AND WHERE THAT OCCURS IS IT ACTUALLY FOLLOWS THE EXISTING ROAD.
AND THE AMBULANCE ENTER THE PROPERTY FROM THE BACK HERE OKAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS IT STANDS TODAY, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WE DON'T SEE ANY CHANGE OCCURRING.
SO I GUESS WHAT IS THIS NEW ROAD FOR THEN? SO THE NEW ROAD, SO IS FOR GENERAL ACCESS AROUND THE SITE.
AND WE HAD PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS PARKING ALONG THIS PERIMETER ROADWAY FOR RESIDENTS OR VISITORS.
UM, AND WERE PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING ON THE PERIMETER HERE AS WELL.
SO MAYBE MORE, YOU KNOW, THE NEW ROAD IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE CURRENT ROAD IS DOING.
IT'S JUST SLIGHTLY FARTHER DOWN THE HILL.
'CAUSE THE BUILDING IS THERE, AND THESE ARE, THIS IS A, A SENIOR HOUSING COMMUNITY.
SO THESE ARE RESIDENTS IN THEIR EIGHTIES, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY DON'T DRIVE AT NIGHT.
THEY DON'T DRIVE VERY MUCH AT HOME.
AND, AND I WOULD, WOULD ANY ESTIMATED TRIP NUMBERS BE AVAILABLE FOR, FOR THE NEW ROAD? YEAH, UM, I DO, WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC REPORT, SO OKAY.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WILL CREATE AN ADDITIONAL 22 TRIPS IN THE MORNING AND 36 TRIPS WEEKDAY, EVENING, UM, PEAK.
AND THAT'S AS OF THE DRIVEWAY NOT CORRECT.
THAT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY AT THIS ENTRANCE POINT.
THAT IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF GRASSLANDS ROAD.
AND SO DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF, FOR THIS SPECIFIC NEW ROADWAY, WHAT, WHAT THE ESTIMATED, SO THERE'S CURRENTLY 120 RESIDENCE RESIDENTS, INDEPENDENT LIVING RESIDENTS IN THAT CAMPUS.
AND WE'RE ADDING 74, SORRY, YOU'RE JUST TALKING TO THE MIC.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY 120 RESIDENTS IN THE EXISTING CAMPUS.
SO WHAT IS THAT? ROUGHLY 66% MORE SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE ADDING 36 TRIPS.
I MEAN, YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD JUST INTERPOLATE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THEORETICALLY 20 TRIPS AND THAT'S, THAT'S DAILY, WEEKLY.
WHAT WAS THE THAT WAS LIKE PEAK MORNING AT THE PEAK
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DAILY.AND, AND THEN, SORRY, ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION.
UM, AT A PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THERE WAS REFERENCE TO RESIDENTS USING THE ROADWAY JUST FOR, FOR A DAILY WALKING.
UM, HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF PUTTING IN A SIDEWALK OR WHAT, UM, WHAT IS THE PLAN THERE? SO WE DO HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT IS CURRENT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT ONE IN, BASICALLY AT THIS ENTRY POINT HERE WHERE THERE'S A DROP OFF.
IT LOOPS AROUND, KIND OF MEANDERS HERE A LITTLE BIT, CONTINUE TO, CONTINUES TO LOOP AROUND AND THEN TIES IN WITH AN EXISTING, UM, SIDEWALK.
UM, THEN AS WE CONTINUE, THERE IS A SIDEWALK HERE AND I DON'T, SO IT'S NOT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S STOPPED.
IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE ROADWAY, BUT THERE'S AN INTER INTERIOR WALKING PATH THAT RESIDENTS COULD USE FOR EXERCISE.
FOLLOWING, OKAY, FOLLOWING, UH, CHAIN OF THOUGHTS OF, UH, QUESTION, UH, SEEMS LIKE, UH, IT'S A BIG HUGE, UH, UH, PER IMPERVIOUS SURFACE YOU ARE ADDING WITH THAT, UH, EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD.
SO IS IT, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT YOU CAN MAKE IT IN JUST FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLE WITHOUT MUCH OF A, AND POSSIBLY WITH THE, UH, PERIA SURFACES SO THAT IT DOES NOT ADD ADDITIONAL, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, WHICH I THINK GOES BACK TO YOUR VARIANCES THAT YOU WANTED TO GET.
SO, I MEAN, JUST TELL US WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE.
SO I THINK THE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT, THERE'S AN EXISTING ROAD THAT ESSENTIALLY FOLLOWS THE SAME ROUGH IDEA.
IT GOES ALONG THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS.
WE'RE ESSENTIALLY TAKING THAT ROAD AND MOVING IT FARTHER DOWN THE HILL.
SO THE DIS THE, THE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS THE LENGTH OF ROADWAY THAT SORT OF IS FARTHER DOWN THE HILL.
IT'S NOT, THE WHOLE THING ISN'T NEW, IT'S THE WHOLE, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF IT IS JUST REPLICATING WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
THE CALCULATIONS, WE NEED A VARIANCE FOR FAR, BUT WE DON'T NEED A, A, A VARIANCE FOR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OR FOR COVERAGE.
WE'RE SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW WHAT'S ALLOWED FOR THIS PARCEL.
ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF HAVING THIS SUCH A LARGE PARCEL WHERE SO MUCH OF IT IS ON BUILDABLE IS THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF AREA TO COUNT AGAINST.
UM, BUT WE'RE PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY.
OKAY, SO I'M SORRY,
SO THE THING THAT'S DRIVING THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD IS THE FIRE CODE.
SO IF WE WERE GONNA HAVE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS ROAD ONLY, IT WOULD STILL BE THE SAME WIDTH ROAD.
BUT THE HEIGHT AND THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD IS REALLY DRIVING HOW FAR IT STICKS DOWN THE HILL.
LIKE IF WE COULD GET AWAY WITH A 12 FOOT WIDE SORT OF HARDENED SURFACE OR SOMETHING, THEN THE RETAINING WALL COULD GET SMALLER.
BUT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE A FIRE ROAD, IT'S PUSHING THAT ROAD FARTHER DOWN THE HILL THAN IT WOULD OTHERWISE.
UM, SO I'M CONVERTING IT TO AN EMERGENCY AXI ROAD I DON'T THINK WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE, THE WALL BEING TALLER OR SHORTER.
UM, I MEANT THE GRADING, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU ARE, YOU ARE PRESUMING THAT IT'S A MORE OF A REGULAR ROADWAY THAN IF YOU HAVE A, I MEAN, THAT'S MORE CIVIL ENGINEERING.
IF YOU CAN MAKE IT DEEP OTHER STUFF, THEN YOU CAN PROBABLY CUT DOWN ON THE RETURNING WALL AGAIN.
LET, I'M JUST, I'M HAVING, HAVING CONVERSATIONS THAT, THAT YOU CAN'T SEE WITH, WITH THE APPLICANT AS, AS WE'RE TALKING FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
UM, THEY, THEY NEED THAT ROAD TO REMAIN A, A USABLE BY BY THE RESIDENTS.
ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT USED THAT MUCH.
IT IS USED TO GET TO, TO THE PARKING AREAS FOR THE RESIDENTS.
AND SO WE ARE PROPOSING IT AS A, AS A, A FULL USE ROAD.
ALTHOUGH, BECAUSE AMBULANCES WON'T REALLY BE GOING THAT WAY, THEY GO AROUND, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE MUCH NOISE OR, OR LIGHT IMPACT FROM THAT AREA.
BUT, UH, REDUCING IT TO, TO A, UM, WHAT WE'RE CALLING JUST AN EMERGENCY ROAD REALLY DOESN'T, DOESN'T COMPLY WITH, WITH WHAT THEY NEED FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
WELL JUST HAVE IT BETWEEN YOU JUST HAVE ONE, ONE POINT OF VIEW WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US.
ARE YOU, YOUR SUGGESTION IS THAT THEY TURN THAT INTO JUST SO FOR CLARITY INTO EMERGENCY ONLY ROAD WITH NO, UM, TWO COMPONENT
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OTHER ACCESS TO THAT ROAD? NO, THERE'S TWO COMPONENT TWO, UH, ONE IS THAT THE, THE, WHICH IS, IT STARTS WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE RETAINING WALL, WHICH IS, REQUIRES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, UH, UH, NEGOTIATING NOT ONLY THE HORIZONTAL CURVE, BUT VERTICAL CURVE.AND IF IT'S ONLY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, THEN YOU HAVE A MUCH MORE FLEXIBILITY, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT'S ENGINEERING ABOUT IT.
SO AGAIN, THE QUESTION IS TO THEM, AND TO, FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE ROAD, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR SECTION THROUGH THE ROAD.
SO WE CAN, I THINK SECTION THROUGH THE ROAD WILL CLARIFY THAT.
SO THERE'S TWO, TWO ASPECTS OF THIS.
WE WANT THAT PATHWAY AND TO BE ACCESSIBLE, SORT OF LESS THAN 5% OR LESS.
UM, SO, AND WE'RE CONNECTING AN EXISTING ROADWAY, UM, SORT OF UP HERE, ROUGHLY SPEAKING IS WHERE? YEAH.
SO WE'RE CONNECTING AN EXISTING ROADWAY.
WE'RE CONNECTING AN EXISTING ROADWAY AND WE HAVE AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT WALKS OUT AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
SO THOSE TWO POINTS ARE FIXED.
SO WE CAN'T, MAKING THE ROAD STEEPER DOESN'T CHANGE THOSE TWO END POINTS.
UM, SO IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY IMPACT THE, THE STEEPNESS OF THE ROAD? IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE OF THE ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENT AND BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO FIXED POINTS IN SPACE THAT WE'RE CONNECTING, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT ROAD STEEPER EVEN IF WE WANTED TO.
THE PARKING SPACE IS SHOWN OFF TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE GREEN.
THOSE ARE PROPOSED AND ARE THOSE ENVISIONED FOR VISITORS? 'CAUSE I DO SEE A PARKING GARAGE THAT'S IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE BUILDING OR UNDER THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY MORE SO BE USED FOR THE RESIDENTS.
SO THEY HAVE AN EXISTING NEED FOR PARKING ON THAT CAMPUS.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE AS MANY AS POSSIBLE.
IT'LL BE SOME COMBINATION OF STAFF USING THOSE LOCATIONS.
THEY MAY RELOCATE SOME CURRENTLY USED BY STAFF AND GIVE THOSE BACK TO THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THE WALKING DISTANCES ARE SHORTER.
BUT IT'LL BE A, IT'S SOLVING A NEED THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE CAMPUS.
ONE THOUGHT MIGHT BE TO GIVE CONSIDERATION TO THOSE SPACES BEING SOME SORT OF PERVIOUS MATERIAL TO LESSEN THE OVERALL IMPERVIOUS.
JUST SOMETHING, WELL, I'M SORRY, WHEN OKAY, GO AHEAD MICHELLE.
YOU DID YOU BACK TO YOUR DETENTION POND DESCRIPTION.
YOU, YOUR NEW DETENTION POND IS GONNA FLOW INTO AN EXISTING DETENTION POND.
WHO OWNS THE EXISTING DETENTION POND? THE GROVE, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
SO DO THEY KNOW, BECAUSE THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED IT, WATER SORT OF MAYBE ENDS UP IN THERE.
SO NOW WATER'S DEFINITELY GONNA END UP IN THERE.
WHERE DOES THAT POND OVERFLOW TO AND WHICH NEIGHBOR GETS IMPACTED BY THAT? POND'S OVERFLOW? OH, WELL, TWO, TWO QUESTIONS.
I CAN ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION.
I'LL TURN THAT ONE OVER TO THE ENGINEER.
THE, UM, THE, THIS USED TO BE ONE SINGLE PROPERTY AND WAS DEVELOPED INITIALLY AS A, AS A SINGLE CAMPUS.
AND SO THAT STORMWATER PRACTICE HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, NOW THAT IT'S TWO DIFFERENT CAMPUSES, IT'S STILL BEEN CONTINUED.
SO, UM, THERE, THERE'S ALREADY ACCESS BETWEEN THE TWO PARCELS TO, TO, UM, DISCHARGE INTO THAT AREA.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE GROVE ANYWAY, ON VARIOUS, WITH ONGOING DISCUSSIONS FROM VARIOUS, VARIOUS ITEMS, INCLUDING THIS, THIS PROPOSAL.
SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'LL BE SOMETHING PUT, PUT IN WRITING.
'CAUSE I THINK ULTIMATELY, UM, WHATEVER HAPPENED BACK IN THE NINETIES WHEN THIS WAS CREATED, UM, IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IN WRITING.
WELL, I MEAN, THEY COULD CHOOSE TO FILL IT IN IF THEY WANT TO.
THE FIRST TIME YOUR BOND FLOODS THEY POND.
SO, SO MY QUESTION IS BACK TO LIKE, WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT POND WHEN IT OVERFLOWS? IS IT GONNA FLOOD, FLOOD THEIR BUILDING? 'CAUSE IF IT IS WASTED FLOW, THEIR BUILDING'S RIGHT THERE.
RIGHT? WELL THEY, THEY, THEY CAN'T FILL THAT STORMWATER PRACTICE IN BECAUSE THAT WOULD ALSO CREATE A VIOLATION ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
THEY, THEY ARE ALSO, WILL IT DISCHARGE IN THERE? IS THERE SOMETHING ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT SAYS THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT DATA? YEAH, YOUR YOUR YOUR YOUR SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR, FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.
LIKE ANY, LIKE ANY OTHER APPLICANT.
SO I'M ASKING LIKE NO, HE'S TELLING YOU THEY CAN'T FILL IT IN.
IT'S BASED UPON A PREVIOUS APPROVAL FOR SITE PLAN.
POSITIVE THEY WOULD NEED AN APPROVAL ALSO.
'CAUSE IT IS ON THE GC MAPPING.
SO WHEN, BECAUSE OF YOUR NOW MORE DIRECTED CONCENTRATED FLOW, WHEN THEY POND OVERFLOWS, WHERE'S THEIR OVERFLOW GONNA GO TO? SO THEIR, THEIR BUILDING? NO, NO.
THEIR BUILDING IS, UM, ALL THE WAY BACK HERE AND A MUCH HIGHER ELEVATION.
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SEVEN STORIES HIGHER.SO THE ELEVATION WOULD LOOK GOOD.
SO THE WATER WILL OVERFLOW EVENTUALLY.
LIKE IT'LL, SO THERE'S AN OVERFLOW PIPE HERE THAT WE BELIEVE ROUTES ON THIS SIDE.
WE HAVE NOT LOCATED THAT PIPE.
NO, BUT THAT'S OVERFLOW FROM YOUR NEW POND INTO THEIR DETENTION.
OH NO, THAT'S AN EXISTING PIPE.
AN EXISTING OVERFLOW PIPE FROM THEIR POND.
IT'S ALL A LITTLE BACK TO YOU.
BACK, BACK THROUGH THE PROPERTY, BACK TO YOU.
AND THEN WE BELIEVE IT GOES YES.
AND THEN IT, WE BELIEVE THAT IT GOES TO LIKE A WETLAND AREA ACROSS GRASSLANDS ROAD ON THIS SIDE.
SO JUST A REMINDER, THIS WAS ONCE, THESE WERE ONCE ONE PROPERTY, NOT TWO.
SO THE REASON WHY THAT, THAT OVERFLOW PIPE COMES BACK, IT DOESN'T COME BACK INTO THE PROPERTY.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY ON THE SAME PROPERTY.
SO THEN WHERE IS YOUR FULLNESS GOING? SO THIS, SO, SO BASICALLY I WANNA KNOW THAT WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING, A YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MESS UP THE GUY NEXT TO YOU AND THEN B, YOU'RE NOT GONNA MESS UP THE GUY IN FRONT OF YOU.
CERTAINLY WE ARE TAKING OFF OFFLINE SO MUCH STORM WATER FROM GOING TO THIS POND AS IT IS.
AND THIS, WELL, AS YOU DESCRIBED IT, IT WAS DISPERSED BEFORE.
RIGHT NOW YOU'RE CONCENTRATING IT.
SO THERE WERE THREE OR TWO PIPES THAT CAME INTO THIS BASIN.
AND THERE'S LIKE A CHANNEL HERE.
SO THERE WERE TWO, UH, POINT DISCHARGES PREVIOUSLY.
WE ARE JUST, WE'RE TAKING BASICALLY THIS ONE OFFLINE ENTIRELY ROUTING IT TO OUR PONDS AND THEN SLOWLY RELEASING IT BACK INTO THE SYSTEM.
UM, AND THIS PIPE HERE DOESN'T, SORRY.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GO BACK TO OUR DETENTION BASIN.
IT GOES ACROSS GRASSLANDS ROAD.
UM, BUT BEFORE, I MEAN EVEN IF THIS POND WERE TO OVERFLOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IT WOULD START TO PROBABLY JUST EAT INTO THE SURROUNDING LANDSCAPED AREA.
WELL, WHAT HAPPENED ON JULY 14TH TO THAT POND? DID THE FLOOD GRASSLANDS ROAD OR NOT? NO, I DON'T, I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY FLOODING.
WE, NO QUESTION IF THERE WAS ANY OBSERVED FLOODING AND THE TEAM HAD INDICATED THAT THEY, IT HAVE THE SAME, I MEAN 'CAUSE IT WAS SIX INCHES IN ELMSFORD OR WAS IT IN, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WHERE A GAS STATION IS UP BY THE, ALL OF THAT AREA UP THE SAME RAIN? MICHELLE? I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP.
WHAT AREA ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? SHE'S WONDERING IF NO, JULY 14TH YOU WERE SAYING THAT.
DID THIS GRASSLANDS AREA HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT ON JULY 14TH FROM FAR? SO PROBABLY COMPARABLE.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE FIGURES IN THERE WAS FLOODING UP ON VIRGINIA.
SO THERE WAS BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SOUTH IN THIS DIRECTION.
BUT I MEAN, OH THAT, OH, DOWN RECENTLY REBUILT GAS STATION.
GAS STATION FURTHER TO THE EAST.
SORRY, AT THE INTERSECTION OF VIRGINIA AND GRASSLAND.
SO IT WENT INTO GRASSLANDS AND DOWN TO HILLSIDE.
NO, THERE'S A HUGE CHANNEL ON THE OTHER SIDE.
IS IT, THERE'S A MASSIVE CHANNEL.
IT IS SYMMETRY ACROSS THE ROAD.
BUT NEVERTHELESS THE SW IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE EVERYTHING, ALL THE REALLY ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED.
SO, UM, AND THAT'S BEING WE FURTHERED AS PART OF THIS REDESIGN? YES.
AND IF ANYTHING IT'LL, THIS HAS A, A LESS OF AN EFFECT.
SO IT'LL PER, IT WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF STORM RUNOFF 'CAUSE THERE'S LESS IMPERVIOUS AREA.
SO WHEN THAT DOCUMENT'S UPDATED, WE MAY WANT SOME ADDITIONAL HARD COPIES TO CIRCULATE.
I HAVE ONE LAST WHAT SINCE YOU SAY THE, THE SORT OF RETENTION BASIN'S, LIKE MORE LIKE 12 INCHES DEEP.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SEDIMENTATION? WOULD THAT AFTER 10 YEARS IT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED THERE? THERE'S A, THEY HAVE TO COME OUT AND DIG OUT.
YEAH, I MEAN ESSENTIALLY THERE'S A WHOLE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, UM, PROTOCOL FOR EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.
AND THAT WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF, SO IT'LL BE OWNERSHIP, IT'LL BE PART OF THE YES, IT'S PART OF THE STORM WATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN THAT HAS A WHOLE MAINTENANCE, UH, SECTION.
SO THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT THAT AARON IS REFERRING TO.
AND WILL BE PART OF CONDITION OF THE SET OF THINGS.
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'CAUSE WE'RE ON THIS, THE TOPIC OF THE BASINS AND THE WETLANDS WE TALKED ABOUT ON THE SITE VISIT, COORDINATING OR REACHING OUT TO THE GROVE ABOUT POTENTIALLY, UM, ENHANCING THE EXISTING WETLAND BASIN AREA BY REMOVING BASES.IS THAT, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION OR IT'S JUST SOMETHING ON YOUR RADAR? YEAH, I MEAN HOMEWORK, YEAH.
IT'S ONLY, IT'S ONLY BEEN THREE DAYS.
BUT, UH, WE IT'S PART OF, IT'S ON THE LIST.
WE IDENTIFIED THAT IT, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF INVASIVE SPECIES WITHIN THAT BASIN AREA.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE.
'CAUSE THEY'RE TYING IN AND IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF WORK GOING ON TO POTENTIALLY HELP.
HOW DEEP WAS IT UPGRADE THAT WE DIDN'T WALK INTO THE BASIN? IT IS VERY HEAVILY VEGETATED.
IT'S NOT REALLY A BASIN IN, WELL IT'S A BASIN.
IT'S FULL OF HYDRO VEGETATION.
SO WASTES THE SPACE FOR THE WATER.
I MEAN THE PLANTS LIKE HELP MAKE THEM CLEAN IT THOUGH.
SO YOU, GOING BACK TO THE CHANGES TO MOVE THE ROADWAY FURTHER AWAY FROM THE RESIDENT WHO EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, YOU'D SAID THAT IT ELIMINATED A VARIANCE FOR SETBACKS.
NOW I'M JUST CONFIRMING THERE'S NO SETBACK REQUIRED FOR ANY OF THE OTHER FEATURES ON THAT SIDE.
YEAH, THE SETBACK THERE IS 75 FEET AND THE, ORIGINALLY IT WAS AT 60, 66 AND NOW IT'S UH, 70, ALMOST 78.
THAT'S WHERE I GOT 12, JUST BY THE WAY,
UM, BUT YES, SO THERE'S UP THERE THAT DOES MEET THE SETBACK NOW.
SO QUESTION FOR YOU, I MEAN I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT THE PUD THING.
THE PUD, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
A QUESTION YOU FOR THE APPLICANT ASKING.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS THE PUDS APPEAR TO BE FULLY DEVELOPED WITH THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS PERMITTED.
SO EXISTING, THIS IS CORRECTING.
IT WAS A-P-A-P-U-D-A LONG TIME AGO.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REZONED AT SOME POINT WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING BEING SPLIT ZONING.
WE ARE THROUGH THIS APPLICATION CORRECTING THAT TO BE AN R 30.
I STILL DON'T GET THE R 30 SINGLE FAMILY THING.
A PUD DOES NOT REALLY APPLY HERE.
YEAH, BUT WHY DOES, IT'S A CORRECTION OF THE ZONING MAP.
DOES, WHY DOES SINGLE FAMILY APPLY? I DON'T GET IT.
THAT'S THE WAY OUR ZONING DISTRICT R LAID OUT WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
BUT WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS? WHAT WE DON'T, WELL, I MEAN WE CAN SPEAK, YOU KNOW, TO THAT WITH THE COMMISSIONER IF YOU WANT TO ARRANGE FOR A MEETING JUST BECAUSE I WASN'T INVOLVED IN THE CREATION OF THE ZONING THAT PERMITS THIS TYPE OF USE.
SO IT WOULD BE A PROBABLY GOOD DISCUSSION WITH COMMISSIONER ER AND I, I THINK THE APPLICANT IS FOLLOWING WHATEVER ZONING THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
SO IN TERMS OF THE APPLICANT BEING ABLE TO ANSWER THAT FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.
THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE ZONING LAWS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, THIS USE IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS.
SO THEY ARE GOING WITH THE DISTRICT THAT DOES PERMIT THIS USE.
SO, SO YOU SO IF WE, IF IT WAS ZONED TO MULTIFAMILY, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A CCR.
CCRC IS NOT A MULTIFAMILY USE IS REALLY WHAT IT IS.
SO WHAT WASN'T THIS THE ORIGINAL ZONING FOR A PUD? IT WAS A BREAKDOWN IN COMMUNICATION BECAUSE IT NEVER PERMITTED WHAT WENT UP THERE, PERIOD.
ORIGINALLY IT'S TRYING TO CORRECT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE ISSUES YOU KNOW, ARE RELEVANT, BUT IT'S TRYING TO LEGALIZE IT INTO A DISTRICT WHERE WHAT'S THERE IS PERMITTED.
NOT ONLY IN OUR PROPERTY, BUT THE GROVE.
I DON'T THE HISTORY, BUT WAS IT SORT OF INTENDED AT THE TIME THE TOWN APPROVED THE PROJECT, THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT YOU WERE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, REZONE IT THE WAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT TONIGHT.
SO THEY TREATED IT AT THAT TIME IT WAS THE SPLIT ZONE OF THE UNDERLYING SPLIT ZONE OF R 20, R 40.
UM, AND SO REALLY REALISTICALLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A PUD YOU'RE CREATING YOUR OWN, YOUR OWN ZONING.
RIGHT? SO THERE WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE A TAILORED ZONING FOR THE PUD.
LIKE ORIGINALLY THE PUD HAD BEEN PROPOSED FOR, UM, EITHER TOWNHOUSES OR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER YOU DID LEFT? YEAH.
PUDS ACTUALLY DOESN'T EVEN JUST THIS SWEATER JUST TO MOVE THIS APPLIC APPLICATION ALONG FOR IT'S TOO APPLICANT.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? TONIGHT? TONIGHT.
'CAUSE ONE THING WE'RE LOOKING FOR
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IS AN EXTENSION, UH, FROM AUGUST 24TH TO SEPTEMBER 25TH.UH, SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER ON, AS PART OF THE TOWN BOARD'S REFERRAL OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, THERE'S A DEFINED PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO ISSUE ITS REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION PLANNING BOARD HAS, UH, TWO AS OF RIGHT 30 DAY EXTENSIONS.
AND, UM, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE LOOKING FOR THE BOARD TO VOTE TO RETROACTIVELY TAKE THAT FIRST 30 DAY EXTENSION FROM, UH, BACK TO AUGUST 24TH, EXPIRING SEPTEMBER 23RD.
UH, AND THEN AT THE FOLLOWING MEETING WE'LL DO IT FOR ANOTHER 30 DAYS.
AND THEN BEYOND THAT, THE BOARD STILL HAS, WOULD STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND.
WE WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON THE PROJECT.
THERE'S REVISIONS AND TIME BEING SPENT, UM, MAKING THOSE REVISIONS TO THE PROJECT.
SO I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WOULD BE HAPPY TO GRANT, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PERIOD OF TIME AS THE PLANNING BOARD WORKS THROUGH TO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT ISSUES A RECOMMENDATION.
AND ARE THERE SOME EXPECTATIONS IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS? UH, OR THINGS THAT WE CAN EXPECT? WELL, I WOULD SAY THIS.
UM, AND WHAT'S THAT? WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT RESPOND, BUT, UM, THEY'D INDICATED TO US THAT THEY'D LIKE TO STAY ON TRACK.
BASICALLY, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF LARGE PROJECTS MOVING THROUGH THE BOARD AT THIS TIME AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO STAGGER THEM.
SO THE NEXT MEETING WHERE WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THIS PROJECT BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD WILL, WOULD BE MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH, WHICH ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS AS OUR FIRST OCTOBER MEETING, SO TO SPEAK.
IT'S NOT AN EXTRA MEETING OF THE MONTH.
UH, JUST SO HAPPENS THERE'S HOLIDAYS BEGINNING, UM, EARLY OCTOBER.
SO WE HAVE THE MEETING ON MONDAY THE 29TH.
WITH THAT SAID, WE'D WANT TO GET A FULL APPLICATION PACKAGE WITH A, A REVISED COVER LETTER APPLICATION MATERIALS AND PLANS IN IDEALLY TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THAT TO GIVE STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, GET THE REVISED DETERMINATE VARIANCE DETERMINATION, MEMO, AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE.
AND THEN GET ALL THAT MATERIAL OUT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AHEAD OF THE SEPTEMBER 29TH MEETING SO THAT THE BOARD, UM, CAN HAVE ALL THE COMMENTS FROM STAFF AND CONSULTANTS UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CURRENT REVISED PROPOSAL IS IN TOTALITY AND HAVE AN, UH, CONTINUE ITS DISCUSSION OF THE PROJECT, ASK QUESTIONS WITH THE INTENT OF MOVING TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, A, A FUTURE RECOMMENDATION NOT ONLY TO THE TOWN BOARD, BUT ALSO TO THE ZONING BOARD.
SUGGESTION IS THAT, UH, IF WE CAN TAKE UP WHAT I MEAN, I'M SORRY.
SO DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING THIS? THIS, YEAH.
THE CROSS SECTION THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE BUILDING AND TO THE ROAD.
UH, AND IN RELATION TO HOW IS IT FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
SO THAT WILL GIVE US A CONTEXT ABOUT THE, THE SORT OF VIEW ANGLE FROM THEIR BACKYARD.
WELL, SO THAT'S NOT PREPARED YET BECAUSE NO, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD COME BACK WITH IT.
THEY SHOULD COME BACK WITH IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A, SINCE WE ARE TIGHT WITH THE TIMEFRAME, SO, SO I'M SORRY.
DO WE WANT THAT BEFORE? NO, WE'LL HAVE IT.
AND, AND IF WE CAN GET VIEWS FROM, FROM ALL THREE ANGLES.
'CAUSE I KNOW DURING THE SITE VISIT WE ALSO DISCUSSED REMOVING THE, THE SIDE HOUSE.
UH, AND SO HAVING, HAVING A VIEW OF MAYBE FROM, FROM GRASSLANDS WITH THAT HOUSE REMOVED MM-HMM
AND, AND ANY GREENAGE THAT MIGHT BE ON THAT SIDE.
AND NOT FOR YOU GUYS, BUT AARON FOR STAFF, CAN YOU GIVE US THE WHOLE PUDR 20 OR 30 LIKE THING EXPLANATION, EXPLAINABLE EXPLANATION? YEAH, BECAUSE I, I HEAR YOU ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT EVEN LISTED AS A PUD IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YEAH, IT, IT, IT WAS COVERED DURING A TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION, SO I'M SURE WE CAN DIG UP THE VIDEO BECAUSE, 'CAUSE BECAUSE THE TOWN BOARD'S LEAD AGENCY ON, ON THIS APPLICATION.
CAN WE HAVE A MOTION, UM, TO EXTEND THIS RETROACTIVELY FOR 30 DAYS TO SEPTEMBER 23RD? SO MOVED.
YOU WANNA GO FOR THE NEXT ONE TOO? SAME TIME.
AND YOU SAY SEPTEMBER THE NEXT EXTENSION YOU WOULD NEED IT, RIGHT? WELL, WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT ON THE 17TH.
YEAH, LET'S LET, LET, WE'LL BE OPTIMISTIC, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA NEED IT BY THAT POINT.
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UM, I'M SORRY, SO YOU SAID IT IS A TOWN BOARD INITIATIVE, BUT THEY WANT, I'M SORRY, CAN WE NOT CROSSTALK? WE WANNA CALL UP THE NEXT APPLICANT? YEAH, I, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.QUESTIONS NEXT UP? OH, I'M SORRY.
OKAY, SO WE'RE TAKING A BREAK.
NEXT UP IS NEW BUSINESS, UH, CASE NUMBER PB 25 14 GARRI 20 BAYBERRY ROAD IN ELMSFORD.
UH, IT'S A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
AND THIS IS A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
ARE THEY, WE DO HAVE MR. SHARIA ON THE ZOOM.
NICHOLAS SHARIA WITH WEST ENGINEERING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA MELODY? UH, GIMME ONE SECOND.
UM, SO, UH, I JUST WANNA TAKE YOU THROUGH A PLAN, UM, AND, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BOARD MEMBERS MIGHT HAVE.
UH, SO THE, UH, SITE CONTAINS AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT WILL BE REMOVED.
UH, THE NEW HOUSE IS ACTUALLY A SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN WHAT'S ALREADY THERE.
UH, THE EXISTING HOUSE IS ABOUT 3,200 SQUARE FEET AND, UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, REPLACED BY A APPROXIMATELY 2,400 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, CLOSE TO 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE.
UM, IN ADDITION, WE'RE REMOVING ALL THE EXISTING SIDE FEATURES, UH, THE CONCRETE PATIO IN THE BACK, UH, THE CONCRETE WALL INTO REAR, WHICH IS, UH, ON CLOSURE INSPECTION, I THINK
UH, SO ALL THIS, UH, IMPERVIOUS AREA, BACK HILL REMOVED AS WELL, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING WALKWAYS, ASPHALT DRIVEWAYS.
UM, THERE'S A PORTION OF A CONCRETE WALK THAT IS LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD HERE, UM, WHICH, UH, KIND OF FALLS WITHIN THE BUFFER FROM THE STREAM ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, WILL BE REMOVING THAT AS WELL.
UH, THAT WILL BE, UH, DONE BY HAND SO AS NOT TO, UM, CAUSE ANY IMPACT TO THAT BUFFER AREA.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, ASPHALT DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT, UH, WALKWAYS.
UM, A FLAGSTONE PATIO IN THE REAR YARD.
UM, A RETAINING WALL THAT IS APPROXIMATELY, UH, BETWEEN THREE TO FOUR FEET AND HEIGHT.
UM, AND WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, A BASEMENT ACCESS STAIRWAY IN THE SIDE YARD HERE, UM, FOR, FOR AGGRESSIONS TO USE.
UM, WE HAVE A, UH, STORM MARSH SYSTEM PROPOSED THAT WILL COLLECT ALL THE NEW PREVIOUS AREAS, UH, DRIVEWAY, PATIO, UM, ALL ROOF AREAS.
UM, THE STORMER SYSTEM IS SHOWN HERE IN THE SIDE YARD.
WE'RE USING FILTRATION SYSTEM.
UM, AND, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING ALL THE UTILITIES FOR, FOR THIS HOUSE.
SO THERE'LL BE USE, SEW CONNECTION, YOU WATER SERVICE CONNECTION, UM, YOU KNOW, CONED, UH, GAS AND ELECTRIC AS WELL.
UM, LEMME JUST GO BACK TO MY FIRST SHEET HERE.
UH, MO MOST OF THE, THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCE WE'RE PROPOSING ACTUALLY FALLS RIGHT IN THIS AREA HERE.
UM, THAT'S BECAUSE, UH, THE OWNER KIND OF WANTS TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE USE OUTTA THEIR BACKYARD.
UH, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO JUST REGRADE THIS AREA, UM, SHOWING HERE.
UM, WE JUST KIND OF WANT TO REGRADE THAT AREA TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF FLATTER AREA TO WORK WITH, UH, OFF THEIR NEW PATIO.
UM, SO THAT AREA THAT I'VE SHOWN ON THE FIRST PAGE HERE IS KIND OF IN THIS AREA.
UM, I CAN ACTUALLY GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE ON, UH, THE NEXT PAGE.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF A COMPARISON OF WHAT THE STEEP SLOPES ARE NOW AND WHAT THEY WILL LOOK LIKE AFTER.
UH, THE WORK IS DONE IN THE BACK.
UM, THERE ARE NO TREES BEING REMOVED ON THE SITE AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, ALL TREES THAT YOU SEE HERE WILL REMAIN.
UM, SO, UH, THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YEAH.
UH, JUST ONE QUESTION BEFORE THE BOARD ASK ANY.
UM, THERE'S 253 CUBIC YARDS OF FILL PROPOSED.
SO IS THE AREA OF SLOPE, IS THAT BEING FILLED IN AS PART OF THE REGRADING? CAN YOU JUST SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO I DO HAVE A GRADING, UH, GRADING
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PLAN SHOWN ON THE LAST PAGE HERE.UM, THAT BLUE KIND OF REPRESENTS MOST OF WHERE THE GRADING, WHERE THE FILL WILL TAKE PLACE.
UH, WE'RE KIND OF RAISING THAT AREA UP A BIT, UH, JUST TO KIND OF MATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE NEW HOUSE.
UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, OFF THE BACK HERE, UH, IS THE, UH, THE NEW KITCHEN, UM, THE, THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO WALK OUT ONTO PATIO HERE.
SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO FILL THIS AREA IN, UH, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN TWO, THREE FEET.
UM, ACTUALLY SOMEONE, I'M SORRY, UH, FOUR AND FIVE FEET IN THIS AREA, WHICH IS THE WHAT, WHERE, UH, PROPOSING THE RETAINED WALL, UM, TO HOLD THE GR HERE.
SO MOST OF THE, THAT EXCESS FILL THAT'S COMING ONTO THE SITE, UH, WILL BE USED IN THIS AREA.
UM, WE WE'RE GONNA TRY TO USE PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING WE CAN FROM THE EXCAVATION, UH, FOR THE NEW BUILDING, UM, THE, UH, THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, ET CETERA.
WE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE USE ALL THAT GREAT.
UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, UH, 'CAUSE THE WAY THE, THE SITE KIND OF DROPS OFF IN THE BACK HERE AND KIND OF HAVING TO MATCH WITH WHAT THE FIRST FLOOR ELEVATIONS ARE DOING IN THE FRONT, UH, WE KIND OF HAVE TO FILL IT BACK A LITTLE BIT JUST TO MAKE THAT TRANSITION WORK.
YEAH, I, I MEAN, LOOKING AT YOUR, CAN I ASK QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
LOOKING AT YOUR, IF YOU CAN PULL UP YOUR SECTION THROUGH IT, THE SIDE SECTION.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROFILE HERE? YEAH.
AND, UH, I SEE THE, YOU ARE REALLY, UH, I MEAN, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY YOU ARE, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE SECTION, I KNOW UNDERSTAND IT'S A, UH, KIND OF VERTICAL HORIZONTAL RATIO, DIFFERENT, BUT FROM EXISTING GRADE, UH, YOU ARE, UH, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH YOU ARE AT THE HIGHEST POINT AND LOWEST POINT THAT YOU ARE RAISING THE YEAH.
RAISING THE WHOLE, WHOLE WHOLE THINGS.
SO, UM, I THINK WHAT MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE FILL, UH, IS, YOU KNOW, BEING CONTRIBUTED TO REGRADING AND RESHAPING THE BACK AREA HERE, UH, CURRENTLY, UM, IF YOU CAN SEE, UH, THAT ELEVATION POINT IS ABOUT 360 4, RIGHT? WHERE THE EDGE OF THAT PATIO WILL BE.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO RAISE THAT UP ABOVE, UH, IT'S GONNA BE CLOSE TO SIX FEET ON THAT END.
UM, SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHERE MOST OF THE GRADE IS GOING IN.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST BECAUSE, UH, THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE BUILDING IS AT 3 7, 2 0.9.
WE'VE KIND OF, UH, TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, UH, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF BUILD THAT WE'VE HAD TO PUT IN THIS AREA.
WE WE'RE PUTTING STEPS FROM THAT, THAT, THAT KITCHEN AREA OFF TO THE PATIOS, TRYING TO, UH, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO RAISE THE GRADE HERE.
SO REALLY THIS AREA HERE IS WHERE MOST, IF, IF NOT, YOU KNOW, I'D SAY THE BULK OF THE GRADING AND, YOU KNOW, FILL TAKE PLACE RIGHT IN THIS AREA.
BUT IF I LOOK AT THE PICTURES THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, THE, THE, THE WHOLE PLOT LOOKS PRETTY MUCH LEVEL, AND THAT'S THE FRONT.
SO, BUT I SEE THE SECTION, AND I SAY YOU ARE RAISING UP THE, THE BACK, THE HOUSE, THE WHOLE HOUSE IS HIGH.
SO THAT, IN RELATION TO THAT, YOU HAVE TO RAISE THE WHOLE BACKYARD.
AND THAT PRECIPITATES THE HAVING A RETAINING WALL, MY CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OR NOT.
CORRECT? YES, BECAUSE WE'RE, BECAUSE WE'RE RACING THE GRADE TO TRY TO, UH, LIKE I SAID, FLATTEN THAT AREA OUT AND MEET, UH, THE NEW PATIO, NEW PATIO'S, ELEVATION.
UH, WE'VE, WE'VE ADDED FILL TO THAT REAR YARD AREA IN ADDITION TO THE, TO THE, UH, UH, THE RETAINING WALL.
SO WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE DRIVING RE WHAT WAS THE MAIN REASON THAT WAS DRIVING THE, RAISING THE WHOLE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE SIX FEET.
THEN WHAT IS EXISTING HOUSES? SO JUST TO GET A, UH, BASEMENT.
YEAH, SO, SO THE, I I, SO THE, THE, THE, THE HOUSE AS IT IS, AS IT'S RIGHT NOW, UM, THEY PUSHED IT BACK SOMEWHAT CORRECT TO, UM, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE OF THE, THE REDUCED, UM, THE REDUCED FOOTPRINT
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AND, UH, UH, THE, THE ADDITION OF A BASEMENT, UM, THEY, THE ARCHITECTS KIND OF JUST RAISED THE GRADE UP A LITTLE BIT OR RAISED THE FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION, JUST SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE ABOVE, UM, THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION.UH, WE'RE AT ABOUT 3 71 HERE, SO THE HOUSE NEEDED TO BE RAISED UP IN GOT IT.
IN ORDER TO, TO BE ABOVE THE EXTERIOR GRADE.
SO IT'S A, THE EXISTING HOUSE DOESN'T HAVE A BASEMENT? NO.
YEAH, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? FROM A, WHAT'S A LANDSCAPING PLAN? DID, CAN YOU JUST SHOW THE LANDSCAPING PLAN ONE MORE TIME? EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE NO TREES PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL, WE DID ALWAYS ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, ADD LANDSCAPING.
CAN YOU SHOW THAT PLAN AGAIN? AND FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, SORRY, GIMME ONE SECOND.
I LEMME JUST, DID YOU FREEZE UP BECAUSE I THOUGHT I SAW IT BEFORE.
I, SO I, I WAS SEARCHING THROUGH THE, THE PACKAGE.
I DON'T THINK WE PROVIDED A, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN FOR THIS.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE A, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST SHEET, WE'RE JUST SHOWING THE EXISTING SOILS ON THE SITE.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UM, WE, THE, WE, WE CAN SHOW SOME SCREENING AROUND THIS SITE.
I THINK THERE'S ALREADY SCREENING ALONG FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S, UH, PROPERTY LINE.
UM, BUT SINCE WE'RE NOT TAKING DOWN TREES, WE DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY TO ADD ANY, ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
I THINK THE OWNER'S PLANNING TO DO PLANTINGS AROUND THE FRONT, ET CETERA.
UH, BUT, UM, I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE CAN SHOW YOU TONIGHT AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING.
IN TERMS OF THIS ADVANCING TOWARDS A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH I WOULD ENVISION, UM, IF, AND I, WE DO SEE, AND, AND THAT REMINDS ME THAT THERE IS LANDSCAPE SCREENING OFF TO THE, YOU KNOW, LEFT SIDE OFF THE LEFT SIDE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT, UH, BEING THAT YOU'RE DOING THE GRADING AND, AND RAISING THE YARD, IF YOU COULD THINK ABOUT IT ON THAT ANGLE, GOING TOWARDS THE RETAINING WALL, UM, JUST TO PUT IN SOME SCREENING, WE CAN RIGHT ALONG HERE.
WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF IN THE BACK, ALSO THE BACK.
THE BACKYARD GOES TO, UM, OFF THE BACKYARD IS ANOTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OR IS THAT THE PARKWAY? NO, NO.
SO IT ACTUALLY BACKS UP, UH, PRETTY MUCH TO, I THINK THAT THAT'S PARKWAY SPRINGS, THAT'S THE SPRAIN.
THAT'S WHAT I, UM, BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S HEAVILY WOODED IN THE REAR YARD.
THERE'S REALLY NO PROPERTIES BEING AFFECTED IN THE REAR.
AND HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, RAILING ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL, WHICH IS LIKE, I THINK YOU SAID SIX FEET HIGH.
SO YEAH, SO THE, THE, THE GRADE ITSELF IS BEING RAISED SIX FEET, BUT THE WALL, UM, IT'S THE WALL ITSELF IS NOT THAT TALL.
WE, WE CAN DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT, UM, ADDING, UH, UH, ADD SAFETY RAILING AROUND, ESPECIALLY ON THIS END.
I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT YEAH, A LITTLE HIGH ON THAT SIDE.
SO YEAH, WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT SAFETY RAILING ON THAT END.
IS, UH, IS THE NEW HOUSE GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED ON SITE OR IS IT MODULE BEING BROUGHT IN? UM, SO I DO HAVE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS.
UM, BUT UH, I DON'T HAVE A PDF.
I CAN SHOW YOU LIKE A, YOU KNOW, ON MY, MY ACTUAL, UH, MY CAD SCREEN.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE ARCHITECT IS NOT HERE TONIGHT TO TAKE YOU THROUGH THOSE.
UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS WILL BE, UH, FRAMED.
SO THE BOARD COULD CONSIDER, UH, SCHEDULING THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THE APPLICANT'S HEARD THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS WAS FAIRLY RESPONSIVE, AND IT'S GOING TO, UH, GET THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IN.
IF THE BOARD WAS TO CONSIDER THIS PROJECT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 17TH OF SEPTEMBER, IT YOU THINK WE, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT WEEK, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO, UM, SHOW SOME LANDSCAPING ON THE PLAN ALONG THAT ANGLED SIDE PROPERTY LINE AND SCREENING FOR SCREENING PURPOSES AND ALSO THE DRAINAGE, UH, BECAUSE NOW THE, I THINK THE DRIVEWAY SORT OF DRAINS OUTSIDE TO THE MAIN ROAD.
SO WITH THE DRIVEWAY, IS THAT, UM, PITCHING TOWARDS THE ROAD OR? YES.
UM, WELL, WE ARE CAPTURING IT.
THERE'S A TRENCH DRAIN SHOWN HERE AT THE FRONT, AT THE VERY, UH, FRONT OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, SO THE ENTIRE THING IS BEING COLLECTED.
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THAT'S NOT COLLECTED, UH, IS FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY, I'M SORRY, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.BUT EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE PROPERTY IS BEING COLLECTED.
SO, UM, THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO VOTE.
THIS'LL BE ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SEPTEMBER 17TH STAFF WILL PREPARE THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE AND THE SIGN, WHICH MUST BE MAILED OUT AND POSTED ON THE PROPERTY RESPECTIVELY.
AND WE'LL GET THAT OUT TO YOU, UH, PRIOR TO THE END OF THE WEEK.
CAN I JUST TAKE A MOMENT? ABSOLUTELY.
IS IT CHILLY IN HERE? IT'S CHILLY.
IT'S A LITTLE CHILLY, RIGHT? NICK, CAN YOU STOP THE SHARE SCREEN FOR US, PLEASE? I'M NOT USUALLY COLD.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, SO YOU DON'T WANT TO GIMME YOUR JACKET?
I COULD GET YOU AN EXTRA OF THAT, BUT TO THE, THE D YEAH, I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.
SO IT'S NOT EVEN THREE DAYS INTO FOUR DAYS IN SEPTEMBER.
I WAS, YOU PROBABLY WENT, YOU WENT ALONG THE SIDE PATH, CORRECT.
UH, NEXT UP IS CASE NUMBER PB 25 DASH 16 HUNG AT FOUR 14 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH.
IT'S A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW RETAINING WALL IN THE REAR OF A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
HI, ELLIOT S OUR ENGINEER SURVEYOR.
UM, BEEN IN, UH, HARTSDALE FOR, WELL, COMPANIES HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 71 YEARS NOW.
UH, SO WE HAVE, HERE IS A, UH, ONE STORY, UH, BUILDING.
IT USED TO BE NANA'S ATTIC ON CENTRAL AVENUE NEXT TO THE, UM, GAS STATION.
I'M SORRY, WHAT IS IT NOW? UH, NOW IT'S JUST VACANT.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT YET.
YOU SAID STORAGE? UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST STORAGE.
WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT YET.
UM, SO IN THE BACK, UH, THE SLOPE, UH, THE, THE GRADE USED TO BE ABOVE THE FLOOR LEVEL AND THEY WOULD GET A LOT OF WATER INSIDE THE BUILDING.
SO THE, UH, OWNERS WHO WERE HERE TODAY, UM, STARTED TO REMOVE THE DIRT FROM THE BACK.
AND WHILE THEY WERE DOING, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY NEEDED A PERMIT, UH, THEY'RE REMOVING THE DIRT, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAW IT AND VIOLATED THEM.
UH, AND, UM, SO BECAUSE OF THAT WE'RE HERE.
UH, THE AREA IS, UM, ORIGINALLY THE AREA WASN'T THAT STEEP.
THE, UH, WHEN THE VIOLATION CAME THROUGH, THEY HAD RE, THEY HAD CHANGED THE SLOPE BECAUSE THEY WERE MOVING THE DIRT AWAY FROM THE BUILDING, WHICH MADE IT STEEPER.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT SAYS, WELL, NOW IT'S STEEP SLOPE AND WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO COME HERE TO GET A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
UH, BUT IN ANY EVENT, UH, WE'RE HERE, UH, WE WANT TO BUILD A RETAINING WALL UP HERE ABOUT 20 FEET OFF OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE TO RETAIN THE SLOPE.
BECAUSE I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING OVER THE YEARS IS THE DIRT IS COMING DOWN THE HILL, UH, FROM THE CONDOMINIUM THAT, OR THE TOWN APARTMENTS, WHATEVER IT IS BEHIND.
AND IT'S FILLING AGAINST THE BUILDING.
UM, I CAN PASS AROUND A PICTURE OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN THEY BUILT THE BUILDING.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF, UH, IF IT REALLY MATTERS, BUT THIS WAS THE SALT BEFORE THEY STARTED.
UM, HOW OLD IS THE BUILDING? JUST SPEAK AT THE MIC OR CARRY.
UM, SO, SO THAT WAS IT WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, UH, WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE, BOUGHT THE PROPERTY.
AND WHEN WAS THAT? ROUGHLY? ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
SO JUST TO ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO.
TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, THE LAND UPLAND OF THEM HAS BEEN AN ERODING? YEAH, WELL IT'S VERY, IT IS VERY STEEP BEYOND THE PROPERTY.
AND SO, UM, I THINK JUST OVER THE YEARS, THE DEBRIS AND, AND THINGS COMING DOWN, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, THERE'S NO VOLTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN TERMS OF THINGS COMING DOWN, BUT, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME IT'S DOWN, SLOPE IT DOWN SLOPE AND LEAVES COME DOWN AND PILE UP AND KEEP ON, KEEP ON GOING.
SO I THINK IT'S A, UH, BUT FROM THE PICTURE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS A, THE BUILDING, UH, THEY ENDED UP BUILDING SOME SORT OF LITTLE, UH, WALL AROUND THE BACK DOOR, UH, TO KEEP IT FROM, FROM, UH, GETTING IN INSIDE.
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UP THAT, OR BRICKED UP THAT BACK DOOR AT SOME POINT.UM, BUT THEY WANTED TO TAKE THE DIRT OUT SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE, UH, FUTURE PROBLEMS. SO WHAT WE PROPOSED TO DO IS TO BUILD A, UH, A RETAINING WALL, A COUPLE OF FEET HIGH.
UM, I THINK IT'S, UH, FOUR TO SIX FEET HIGH.
HOW? UH, IT'S, UH, FIVE FEET HIGH.
ABOUT FOUR TO, UH, FOUR TO FIVE FEET HIGH.
UM, ACROSS THE BACK, ABOUT 20 FEET OFF THE BUILDING.
UH, THAT'LL FLATTEN THE AREA ON THE BOTTOM.
IT'LL RETAIN THE, THE, THE SLOPE, UH, BEHIND IT STILL DOOR OR SOMETHING.
UM, THEY STILL GET WATER COMING DOWN THE HILL.
EVEN THE RETAINING, WELL, THE RETAINING WALL'S NOT THERE YET, SO WE HAVEN'T BUILT THE RETAINING.
WILL THE RETAINING WALL HELP THEM? OH YEAH.
THE RETAINING WALL WILL HELP 'EM, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
AND THEN THE AREA, UH, THE AREA ON THE FLAT AREA IS JUST GONNA BE GRAVEL, UM, FOR LOW MAINTENANCE.
AND THEN, I'M SORRY, DO YOU HAVE A CURRENT PICTURE OF HOW, OF THE, THE DIGGING? UM, SURE.
THEY TRIED TO, UM, JUST TO THE MIC.
THE, UH, THE BLACK IN THERE IS, UM, A GROUND COVER TO PREVENT IT, THE DISTURBED SOIL FROM FURTHER ERODING.
SO I SEE ON THE PLANS THAT A STONE WALL IS, IS EXISTING.
WHAT, WHAT KIND OF STONEWALL IS THAT? IT'S JUST A FREE, UH, UH, UH, BOULDER WALL.
IS IT AN OLD, I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD BUILDING.
IS THIS A, IS HISTORIC WALL OR NO, NO, IT'S NOT A FARM WALL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, NO, I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT OFFHAND.
AND THE WALL ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE WALL ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS, UH, IN THAT PICTURE WAS THE UNILOCK MASON BLOCK WALL.
IT WAS NEVER BACKFILLED FOR SOME REASON.
IT WAS REALLY, UH, JUST TO DEMARCATE THE GAS STATION PROPERTY AS FAR AS I COULD TELL.
AND UP BEHIND THE WALL WITH THE REGRADING, IT'S KINDA LESSENING THE SLOPE.
WE'RE GONNA FLATTEN THE AREA BEHIND THE WALL.
SO WE'RE RAISING THE WALL UP SO WE CAN FLATTEN THE AREA BEHIND IT.
AND SO I SEE IN THIS, IN, IN THIS IMAGE, IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE THE, THE END OF A, OF A GUTTER LEADER OR SOME SORT OF STORM WATER PIPE, OR IS THIS PIPE SOMETHING ELSE? UH, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO TO THE MINE.
YEAH, NO, I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE PICTURES ARE.
UM, THAT'S JUST A RANDOM PIECE OF PIPE THAT IS ON THE GROUND THERE.
SO THERE'S GONNA BE LANDSCAPING ABOVE THE WALL.
UH, WE SHOWED A COUPLE OF, UH, NEW, NEW SHRUB DEBRIS THERE.
THERE WAS SOME TREES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
UM, THERE WAS A PAST VIOLATION FROM SOME YEARS AGO NOW, WHICH REQUIRED NEW TREES TO BE PLANTED.
SO WE HAD MENTIONED THAT TO MR. SINOR AND HIS TEAM.
AND THEN UP ABOVE THE WALL IS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN THE NEW TREES.
WHAT ABOUT THE SIDE? THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM ON THE SIDE, SO, WELL THE SIDE, NOT THE TREES, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE, WHENEVER THE CENTRAL AVENUE FLOODS IT, THE WATER GOES INTO THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
THIS AREA IS, UH, FRONT OF FLOODING ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
SORRY, IT'S NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE THAT I KNOW OF.
A COUPLE OF THINGS, BASED UPON WHAT AARON SAID, THAT THERE WERE TREES THERE, NO TREES.
COULD THOSE TREES HAVE POSSIBLY IN THE PAST BEEN, UM, HELPING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE EROSION FROM UP ABOVE? IS THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE SMALLER TREES.
UM, SO ACTUALLY WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND THEY WERE PREDOMINANTLY INVASIVE, BUT WE INVASIVE.
BUT WHEN YOU CUT DOWN A TREE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SPECIES OR CONDITION IS WITHOUT A PERMIT, THERE'S A VIOLATION AND THEN YOU HAVE TO REPLANT.
AND THEY DID MOVE THROUGH ALL THAT.
THAT WAS MAYBE THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO NOW.
BUT THE TREES HAVEN'T SURVIVED, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE REMOVED OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THEY DON'T PRESENTLY EXIST.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED ADDED TO THE PLANS.
AND THEY NOW SHOW THOSE ATOP THE WALL.
SO THAT'S GONNA HELP STABILIZE THE MORE GENTLE GRADING ABOVE THE WALL IN THE FUTURE CONDITION.
SO, SO IT WILL HELP STABILIZE.
WHAT'S THEIR PLAN FOR THE FUTURE OF THE BUILDING? WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT? UM, THIS GIFT SHOP? HMM? GIFT SHOP.
WE CONTINUE TO BE RETAIL BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE, BOTH, THE PROPERTY ON BOTH SIDE IS A, IS A HIGHER ELEVATIONS.
AND SO I, I MEAN THIS WALL, THE, THE GAS STATION IS DEFINITELY,
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I THINK THE GAS STATION IS, I DUNNO HOW GOOD THAT IS BUILT, BUT I THINK THE GAS STATION IS SOMEWHAT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE GROUND ON THE LEFT SIDE.UH, SO CURRENTLY ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER DOOR THAT IS IN THIS LITTLE, UH, UH, THIS LITTLE AREA HERE.
UH, AND THAT IS, UH, DOOR IS ALSO LOWER, BUT THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER TO THE, TO THE LEFT, UH, IS A PARKING LOT.
IT'S ABOUT, I MEAN, I GO TO THIS GAS STATION ALL THE TIME.
SEE, THIS IS, I'M SORRY, YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THAT ONE, BUT JUST EXPLAIN THAT, UH, 'CAUSE YOU MIGHT GET ANOTHER VIOLATION.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT THE PAVEMENT OF THE GAS STATION IS SIMILAR TO THE GROUND AT OUR, OUR SIDE.
THERE WAS, THERE WAS A WALL THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WALL HOLDS UP ANYTHING.
I SEE ON THE PLANS THERE'S THREE PROPOSED BOLLARDS.
UM, SO THERE'S A GAS, UH, THERE'S A GAS, UH, METER AT THAT CORNER, FRONT CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THOUGHT THAT IF WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, BRINGING, UH, EQUIPMENT IN TO BUILD THIS WALL, THAT WE SHOULD PUT THE BOAD THERE TO PROTECT THE GAS METER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
UM, I SAW I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO YOU'D SAID BEFORE THAT THE CURRENT USES FOR STORAGE, WHAT TYPE OF STORAGE? EXACTLY? UM, SO I CAN JUST INDICATE, I MEAN, WE CAN LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER, BUT I, I DID HAVE AN IN-DEPTH, YOU DID DISCUSSION WITH THE BUILDING.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE FOLLOWING UP.
UM, THAT'S ALL THE PERMIT FOR RETAIL OR JUST STORAGE? YEAH, THEY, SO, SO, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THERE WAS A PERMIT OR A CHANGE OF USE AND OCCUPANCY ISSUED EARLIER THIS YEAR OR MAYBE EVEN LAST YEAR FOR LIKE A COMIC BOOK STORE THAT DOESN'T EXIST.
THAT PERMIT OR CHANGE IN USE PER CHANGE IN USE IN OCCUPANCY PERMIT EXPIRED LATE MAY OF THIS YEAR.
SO NOW IT'S BASICALLY VACANT, BUT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT STORAGE AND SO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S GONNA FOLLOW UP ON IT.
SO THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER, UM, DISCUSSING THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING OR SCHEDULING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO STOP SCHEDULING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, SO IN TERMS OF THE SCHEDULE RIGHT HERE, YOU, I HAVE IT SOMEWHERE.
SO RIGHT NOW FOR THE 17TH, WE JUST PUT ARY ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE ALSO, UM, HAVE HIGH TOWER 10 CATERERS AND TERRACE.
WE HAVE CHOW, BMR LEY PARK AND FAIL.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF, UM, LIKE I, HEY MATT, WHAT ABOUT THE 29? UM, WITH RESPECT TO CHOW THAT'S IN RED BECAUSE IT'S TENTATIVE.
UM, I BELIEVE ACTUALLY MR. THIS WAS, UH, SUPPOSED TO BE DOING SOME REVISIONS TO THE SURVEY AND THE, AND THE PLA AND FINANCE.
UM, HISTORICALLY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD SHOW UP AT PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS? BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESIDENT LEFT OR RIGHT OF THEM.
THERE'S A TOWNHOUSE COMMITTEE ABOVE.
YEAH, THERE'S, SO THERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO PREDICT.
UM, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A TIME ISSUE AS FAR AS THE CURRENT APPLICATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
UM, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME FOR GETTING, IS THE SITE STABILIZED? YEAH.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD BASED ON ITS SCHEDULE, PUT THIS ON FOR MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH, YOU DON'T REALLY LOSE TWO WEEKS.
I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN GOING ON FOR THIS FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
I DON'T THINK ANOTHER TWO WEEKS IS, IS THE INTENTION TO, UH, GET THIS CONSTRUCTED THIS YEAR? UH, WE'D LIKE TO CERTAINLY IT BEFORE THE WINTER, BUT, UH, WINTER SHOULD DO IT SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 29TH.
I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY, IT'S A PRETTY, IT GOT SMALL, FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
SO SEPTEMBER 29TH FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL GET YOU THE NOTICE AND THE SIGNAGE.
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NEXT UP IS CASE NUMBER TB 25 0 8, DALEWOOD TWO, AND DALEWOOD THREE AT 3 53 THROUGH 3 71 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH, AND 4 0 1 THROUGH 4 25 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH.AND THIS IS A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS AN AMENDED SITE PLAN APPLICATION, UH, AT THE SITE, FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE CHRISTMAS TREE STORE.
UH, YEAH, I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF BECAUSE OF A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OWNER OF THE CENTER.
EVENING CHAIRPERSON MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
I'M A SENIOR ASSOCIATE WITH THE FIRM OF LANG AND ENGINEERING.
UM, AND I THINK THIS WILL PROBABLY ONE OF THE EASIER APPLICATIONS YOU'RE GONNA LISTEN TO TONIGHT.
UM, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY EXCITED TO BE HERE ON BEHALF OF BRIMORE, WHO HAS HAD THE CHRISTMAS TREE SHOP VACANT FOR TWO PLUS YEARS.
UM, THEY HAVE FINALLY BEEN ABLE TO FIND TWO VERY GOOD TENANTS THAT WILL HELP, UH, MAINTAIN THE VIABILITY OF THIS CENTER.
UM, SO OUR PROPOSAL IS TO CONVERT THAT SPACE, WHICH IS AROUND 40,000 SQUARE FEET TO TWO TENANTS.
ONE IS BEST BUY AND WHAT IS SPROUTS, WHICH IS A SUPERMARKET.
THOSE TWO USES WILL BE ACCOMMODATED.
NO, THAT'S, YOU DON'T WANT THAT PICTURE UP THERE,
SO, AS I SAID, THE, THE, THE TWO NEW TENANTS, UH, THAT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT ARE BEST BUY AND SPROUT.
THEY WILL OCCUPY THE EXISTING SPACE OF 40,000 PLUS SQUARE FEET.
THERE'S NO INCREASE IN BUILDING COVERAGE.
UH, THE USE AS A RETAIL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE PRIOR USE WAS.
I THINK THE ONLY EXTERIOR MODIFICATION THAT YOU MAY CALL STRUCTURAL IS THE ADDITION OF A LOADING DOCK IN THE BACK.
UM, BUT AS PART OF THIS, UH, BRICKS MORTAR HAS DECIDED TO INVEST A LITTLE BIT IN THIS CENTER.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO MODIFY 300 PLUS PARKING SPACES, WHICH IS REPRESENTED IN THE RED ON THIS DIAGRAM.
UM, WE THINK WE'VE CREATED A BETTER CIRCULATION PATTERN.
UH, WE'VE GOT A MORE TRADITIONAL ALIGNMENT OF THE PARKING, WHICH RUNS PERPENDICULAR TO THE BUILDING.
UM, AT THE RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, WE'VE ADDED SOME TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, WHICH GIVE PRIORITY TO VEHICLES ENTERING AND EXITING, UH, THE, THE CENTER.
AND WE DO THAT BY STOP BAR STOP SIGNS.
UM, ALSO AS PART OF THIS, UH, WE HAVE TRIED TO FOCUS THE HANDICAP SPACES UP TOWARDS THE BUILDINGS.
UH, I THINK WE LEARNED OUR LESSON, UH, THE LAST MODIFICATION THAT WE CAME IN WHERE THE BOARD ASKED US TO TRY AND DO THAT.
UM, AND WE'VE ADDED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF, UH, LANDSCAPE ISLANDS THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT AND HAVE SOME TREES, UM, AGAIN, WITH THE HOPES OF KIND OF AT LEAST UPGRADING THIS QUADRANT, UM, OF THE CENTER.
NOW THE BUILDING IS ON DALEWOOD TWO.
UH, WE DO SPILL OVER ONTO THE ADJACENT DALEWOOD THREE IN ORDER TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKING LOTS AND THE CIRCULATION.
SO IT'S NOT MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
THE, THE PARKING MODIFICATIONS RESULT IN I THINK, A NET GAIN OF THREE SPACES, UH, WHICH MAY CHANGE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE COMMENT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT MAY AFFECT THE SPACE OR TWO.
SO WE'LL THAT'LL BE REFLECTED IN KIND OF THE FINAL SET OF REVISIONS THAT WE'RE WE'LL WORK ON.
UM, AGAIN, NOT TOO MUCH MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
BEFORE WE GET IN THE BOARD, I JUST WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT WE HAVE JOHN CANNING PRESENT, WHO'S LOOKED AT IT FROM A TRAFFIC AND CIRCULATION STANDPOINT.
BEFORE YOU GET INTO COMMENTS AND MAYBE MAKE SENSE TO HEAR FROM MR. CANNING AND WHAT HE'S REVIEWED AND HOW THE APPLICANT'S RESPONDED TO HIS COMMENTS.
MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF BOARD, UH, TRYING TO TURN MY CAMERA ON HERE.
UM, SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF REVIEWING THIS APPLICATION FOR, UH, A, A GOOD NUMBER OF MONTHS AT THIS STAGE.
UH, THEY INITIAL, THE APPLICANT INITIALLY APPROACHED US WITH THE REQUEST TO MAKE THE MODIFICATIONS TO,
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UH, THE CIRCULATION IN THE PARKING AISLE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE OLD CHRISTMAS CITY STORE.THE, THE TYPICAL REASON WE AGREED WITH IT IS THAT, UM, WHERE USERS ARE PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT, THEY WILL BE WALKING DOWN THE PARKING AISLE AS OPPOSED TO CUTTING OUT UP ACROSS THE PARKING LOT AND THEN OUT FROM BEHIND PARK SPACES TO GET TO THE STORES.
AND WE BELIEVE IT SAFER PEDESTRIANS.
UH, WE DID, UH, MR. ICK MENTIONED REQUEST THAT THEY, UM, ADD SOME MORE SOFT LINES AND SOFT SIGNS THAT KEY LOCATIONS TO REMIND BOULDER TO SOUTH.
WE KNEELED AND LEFT PEDESTRIANS.
UM, WE DID REVIEW CAREFULLY, UH, THE PARKING NUMBERS, THE CHANGES IN PARKING, AND BOTH.
THERE WAS TWO AND THERE WERE THREE BOTH IN TOTAL TO THOSE AREAS AS WELL AS IN THE, AS IN THE SUB AREAS.
UH, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF INCONSISTENCIES IN THE VARIOUS PARKING ANALYSIS THEY CONDUCTED.
AND IN THE TABLES THEY CONDUCTED.
AND IN ORDER THAT THE RECORD IS STRAIGHT THERE, THERE WEREN'T SIGNIFICANT.
BUT SO THAT THE RECORD IS NOT CONFUSING, THE NEXT TIME THIS APPLICA APPLICANT COMES BACK WHEN TIMES CHANGE, UH, WE'LL HAVE CONSISTENT NUMBERS.
THEY MADE CORRECTIONS TO THAT.
AND, UH, WE LOOKED AT TRUCK TURNING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHANGES TO CIRCULATION WOULD NOT IMPACT THE TRUCK TURNING.
WE ALSO LOOKED TO SEE HOW IT WOULD IMPACT VEHICLES ENTERING AND EXITING FROM THE STREET, AS WELL AS CIRCULATING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT REGARD.
SO, UM, THEY DID QUITE, QUITE EXTENSIVE PARKING SURVEYS, WHICH WERE DOCUMENTED IN ANY UTILIZATION STUDY, WHICH INDICATE THAT THE, THE CENTER OBVIOUSLY WITH VACANCIES IS UNDER PARKED, BUT EVEN WHEN THEY ADD BACK, UM, PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED OCCUPANCIES, UM, THEY WILL STILL HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING.
UM, THERE WOULD THREE WILL BE CLOSE TO, IN THE AREAS IN FRONT OF THE STORE, WOULD BE CLOSE TO 95%.
BUT SO IT, IT SHOULD BE FINE, I SAY IN FRONT AND ALSO ON THE, I'M GONNA SAY NORTH END.
THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO USE THE PARKING IN THE BACK THAT MUCH.
UH, ON THE BUSIEST DAYS, DALEWOOD TWO IN FRONT OF THE NEW SUPERMARKET AND THE RETAIL SPACE, THAT WILL BE REOCCUPIED ON THE BUSIEST DAYS.
THE AREAS IN FRONT THERE WILL PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO CAPACITY AND YOU WILL HAVE TO PROBABLY HAVE SOME PEOPLE PARKING IN THE BACK.
AND IT, YOU KNOW, IN CIRCUMSTANCES LIKE THAT, IT'S ALWAYS ADVISABLE THAT MANAGEMENT DIRECT ENCOURAGE EXHORT STAFF AND PARK IN THE BACK BECAUSE, UH, STAFF CAN USUALLY GO IN THE BACK DOOR WHERE THE CUSTOMER CAN CAN'T.
AND SO, AND THE, THE, I GUESS THE, THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN REVIEWING THIS.
WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT IS IN A PLACE WHERE YOUR BOARD TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
I, I DO HAVE A, UM, IF CAN SHE BRING UP, THANK YOU, JOHN.
THANK, AND I HAD TO DO, UH, TWO QUESTIONS.
A, DA AND THE OTHER ONE HAD TO DO WITH CARTS, SHOPPING CARTS.
OH, NO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR JOHN.
CANNING, UH, THE TRAFFIC REPORT OR, OR IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, WHEN YOU ARE ANALYZING IT, ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHAT BEST BUY, WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS THE, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES THAT ARE NEEDED? OR IS IT JUST BASED UPON THE SIZE OF THE NEW BEST BUY FOR BEST BUY? IT WAS BASED UPON THE SIZE OF THE NEW BEST BUY AS WELL, OR AS DICTATED BY THE CODE.
AND, UM, I, I BELIEVE THE CODE REQUIRES FIVE PARKING SPACES FOR THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS A RELIC FROM A BYGONE CENTURY.
AND SO, UH, I THINK IT'S VERY CONSERVATIVE.
UM, THE PARKING SERVICE THAT THEY, THEY DID CONDUCT AND WHEN THEY COMPARED IT TO THE SPACE THAT WAS OCCUPIED, THEY'RE, THEY'RE AVERAGING AROUND THREE PER THOUSAND.
UM, I DO RECALL THE, THE, THE BEST BUY IT IS, IS IT STILL OPEN DOWN THE STREET? YEAH, CLOSE JOHN.
UM, MY, MY RECOLLECTION OF THE LAST TIME I WAS THERE, IT'S BUSY, BUT IT'S NOT AS BUSY AS IT USED TO BE.
AND THEN, UM, SHOPPING CARTS, UH, SHOPPING CART RETURN, I, I MIGHT NOT, AM I MISSING SOMETHING ON THE, IN THE PARKING LOT THERE? THEY'LL, THEY'LL REVIEW THAT.
WE DO HAVE COURT STORAGE AREAS.
UH, WE CAN HIGHLIGHT THOSE ON THE PLAN.
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IN, UM, AND YOU'LL SEE THERE ARE FOUR, I BELIEVE, OH.SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE ASKED, AND THEN AS PART OF OUR PREP SESSION MM-HMM
SO I FOLLOWED UP WITH, UM, COLETTE.
WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT, NEXT ITEM? NO, SO, SO THEY'RE FOCUSED IN THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE SUPERMARKET IS THE DOTTED LINE IS SUPERMARKET, RIGHT? DOTTED LINE IS DIVIDE BETWEEN THE TWO.
AND THE SHARP, THE SUPERMARKETS TO THE RIGHT.
SO WE FOCUS THE CART STORAGE AREAS IN THE, IN THE AREA WHERE THE SUPERMARKET WAS MM-HMM
UH, BUT GENERALLY THE SUPERMARKETS USUALLY WILL SPILL OVER CONSIDERING THE, WHAT WE HAVE AT SHOPRITE DOWN THE STREET.
UH, THEY GENERALLY ARE, TAKES OVER MOST OF THE PARKING LOT AND, UH, UH, ANYWAY, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT, UH, YOUR, THE, THE SUPERMARKET THING SAID NEXT.
LET'S ADD, YEAH, TJ MCKEEVER BRICKS, MORE PROPERTY GROUP, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER IN CONSTRUCTION.
I'LL JUST ADD THAT IT HASN'T BEEN DEFINED YET, BUT SPROUT'S INTENTION IS TO PUT A, UH, CART CONTAINMENT ZONE, UH, THAT WOULD LIMIT THE, UH, AREA THAT THE CARTS CAN, UH, EXTEND OUT TO.
UH, THEY HAVEN'T DEFINED THE EXACT BOUNDARY YET, BUT THEY, UM, COMMUNICATED THAT TO US RECENTLY.
AND TO, SORRY, TO KURT'S POINT, IS THERE A, UH, IS THERE A NUM NUMERICAL VALUE OF THE NUMBER OF SPACES PREDICTED FOR USE FOR EACH OF THE TWO USES? SO FOR SPROUTS AND FOR BEST BUY? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK HE WOULD JUST, THAT'S ACTUALLY TO HIM VALIDATES YOUR PLAN.
I'M SORRY, NUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES INTENDED TO BE USED FOR THE USES.
SO FOR SPROUTS AND FOR BEST BUY
SO, SO IT DEPENDS ON, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER YOU WANT A CODE NUMBER, AS JOHN SAID, IT'S FIVE PER THOUSAND AND IT'S 18,000 SQUARE FEET.
RIGHT? AND, AND THEN THE SUPERMARKET HAS A NUMBER, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SPACES IN THIS AREA THAT ARE BASICALLY HIGHLIGHTED IN RED IS AROUND 300 SPACES THAT WE'RE MANIPULATING TO IMPROVE THE CIRCULATION.
PEAK USAGE BASED ON THE TWO DIFFERENT USERS.
YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN ANTICIPATED USAGE? NO, I MEAN, I, SO, SO THAT'S A HARD QUESTION TO ANSWER.
I THINK THEY THINK SO AS JOHN SAID, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT, WE'RE USING A CODE REQUIREMENT THAT'S FIVE PER THOUSAND, RIGHT? TODAY, BUT THAT'S MORE REALISTIC NUMBERS THREE PER THOUSAND.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT UTILIZATION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TIME PERIOD THAT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU ASK ME WHAT THE PARKING UTILIZATION REQUIREMENT IS AROUND THE CHRISTMAS SEASON, WHICH OUR STUDY SHOWED, RIGHT, WE REACH 90%.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT 80% OF THE REST OF THE TIME, THAT NUMBER GOES DOWN FROM 90% TO PROBABLY SOMETHING CLOSER TO 50%.
AND ALL OF YOU THAT ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS CENTER AND THE THREE OF 'EM TOGETHER ON ANY GIVEN DAY, RIGHT? OTHER THAN THE DAY BEFORE EASTER, THE WEEK BEFORE CHRISTMAS, HALF OF THE PARKING SPACES ARE EMPTY.
RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY DEMONSTRATED IN, IN ALL OF OUR ANALYSIS WITH THE MODIFICATIONS WE MADE TO THIS CENTER OVER THE LAST HANDFUL YEARS.
AGAIN, SO HARD, IT'S HARD TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
SO I, I THINK GO, I JUST WANNA ADD BEFORE YOU SAY THAT, UH, THE QUESTION THAT SHE HAS AND THAT I HAD WAS TO REALLY, WHEN YOU SAY PARTICULARLY IT CAME FROM WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT A, UH, STORAGE FOR THE CARD? IS THAT IF, IF IT'S GOING TO BE ONLY ON THIS SIDE, BASED ON, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IT'S, AND IT'S A, IT'S A MOSTLY OPERATIONAL QUESTION, WHICH WE USUALLY ASK, UH, FOR ALL THE, ALL THE USAGES, UH, LIKE, UH, CERTAIN DRIVE IN PLACES THAT WE HAVE ON THAT, HOW THE USAGE BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AT SOME SIMILAR SITES WITH SIMILAR, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE, THE USAGE OR THE TENANTS THAT THEY HAVE.
SO IT'S A MOSTLY TENANT RELATED QUESTION, IF YOU CAN HAVE ANSWER.
OH, I THINK THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE HOPES IS THAT THE PARKING LOT IS ABSOLUTELY FULL ALL THE TIME IN FRONT OF THE SUPERMARKET.
I THINK OUR EXPERIENCE TELLS US THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE, AND THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF SPACES IN FRONT OF EACH OF THESE USES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SPECIFIC USE.
WILL THERE BE SOME BLEED OVER? OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU HAVE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE ATTACHED LIKE THIS AND THE USES THAT ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER, PEOPLE DECIDE TO PARK FOR CONVENIENCE.
SOMETIMES MORE THAN USE, RIGHT? SO
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IT'S HARD TO SAY.THERE ARE 1, 2, 3 BAYS THAT ARE SHOPPING CENTER BAYS AND THERE ARE 1, 2, 3 BAYS THAT ARE BEST BUY BAYS.
THAT'S NOT HOW THIS LOT WILL WORK.
WELL, SO I I I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK JOHN AARON, AND THEN OKAY, JOHN.
AND IF YOU WANT TO PIGGY BACK OFF OF IT.
WELL, I, I, I HAD A QUESTION FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, BUT I'LL, DO YOU WANT ME TO, DO YOU WANNA GO? WELL, LET ME ASK JOHN.
JOHN, YOU HAD INDICATED IN YOUR, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD THAT IN FRONT OF DALEWOOD THREE AT PEAK TIME, YOU KNOW, UP TO 95% CAPACITY.
AND THEN IN DALEWOOD TWO PEAK TIME 90%.
CAN YOU JUST DIVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF WHAT EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN? SURE.
SO, SO LOOK, LOOKING AT DALEWOOD THREE, FIRST OF ALL.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPACES, UH, FROM THE LEFT PROPERTY LINE, UH, WHICH ARE ON THE BOTTOM, THOSE SPACES, THEN ACROSS THE FRONT, AND THEN ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE, SORRY.
SO, SO EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE BACK WILL BE AT PEAK TIMES WILL BE AT, WHEN ALL OF THE STORES THERE ARE OCCUPIED, UH, WE'LL BE AT ABOUT 95% AND THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE A FEW STRAGGLERS IN THE BACK, BUT YOU WILL HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, UH, IN THE FRONT.
I, I JUST WENT BACK TO THE UTILIZATION CHART FOR GARWOOD TWO, WHICH IS A MUCH BIGGER PARCEL.
AND FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER, THEY BASE THE PARKING DEMAND, THEIR, THEIR INITIAL ANALYSIS, UH, BASED IT ON FIVE PER THOUSAND, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN 105 SPACES.
AND THEN THEY DID A SECOND ANALYSIS BASED ON, UM, THE PARKING SURVEYS ON DALEWOOD ONE FOR H MART.
AND THEY CAME IN, THEY, THEY FOUND THAT H MART WAS PARKING AT 4.33.
SO THEY BELIEVE THAT IT WON'T BE 105 SPACES, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THAT.
UM, IT'LL BE 91 SPACES FOR, UH, THE SUPERMARKET.
AND THEN FOR BEST BUY, THEY PARK THAT AT 500,000, WHICH IS WHAT THE CODE IS.
SO THERE'LL BE AN, AN ADDITIONAL 177, UH, VEHICLES PARKED.
AND WHAT I HAVE DETERMINED ON THAT IS THAT THE AREAS IN THE FRONT WILL BE FULLY PARKED, AND YOU WILL HAVE SOME PEOPLE ON THE BUSIEST DAYS GOING INTO THE AREAS IN THE BACK TO PARK, UH, IN EFFECT.
HI, THIS IS MARK NEWMAN WITH BRICKS SMART PROPERTY GROUP.
I WANTED TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS WELL AND ADD A LITTLE SOMETHING TO, TO THAT.
IF WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE PARKING LOT AND WE JUST KEPT THE CENTER AS IT IS TODAY AND DIDN'T RECONFIGURE IT, WE'D HAVE LESS PARKING SPACES AND BY RIGHT, WE'D STILL BE PUTTING IN THESE SAME TWO USES.
WE'D BE PUTTING IN BEST BUY AND SPROUTS AND YOU'D HAVE LESS PARKING.
SO WE'RE COMING HERE TODAY SHOWING A PLAN THAT HAS BETTER CIRCULATION, HAS MORE PARKING, HAS THE SAME TWO USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY W RIGHT? AND, AND, UM, SO I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, THAT WE WERE MAKING THAT POINT.
ALSO, I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THAT BOTH SPROUTS AND BEST BUY FELT VERY CONFIDENT WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE HAVE HERE.
THE PARKING RATIO AT DALEWOOD TWO IS OVER 4.5 TO ONE.
THE PARKING RATIO AT DALEWOOD THREE IS OVER 4.5 TO ONE.
THAT'S PRETTY AMAZING THESE DAYS IN OUR, IN OUR WORLD, IN OUR SHOPPING CENTER WORLD, WE'RE SEEING WELL BELOW FOUR TO ONE WITH GROCERY STORES, AND THAT'S BECOME THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FIVE TO ONE IS A OUTDATED, UH, IT'S SEE A PARKING THAT YOU JUST DON'T SEE ANYMORE.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, DI DYLAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, SO I, I GUESS WHAT, WHAT, SORRY.
YOU KNOW, KAT'S LINE OF QUESTIONING, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT.
CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO, TO CONSIDER ANY SHARED PARKING REDUCTION BECAUSE THE USES ARE THE SAME.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE CERTAINLY HAD APPLICATIONS RECENTLY WHERE THE USE HAS CHANGED AND THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION FORMULA, UH, HAD TO BE ADJUSTED AS A RESULT.
SO SAY SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, EITHER BEST BUY OR SPROUTS, UH, IS BEING REPLACED WITH ANOTHER TENANT, AND THAT TENANT HAS, UH, A DIFFERENT PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENT PER THE CODE.
YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD WE DETERMINE, HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT SHARE OF THE PARKING IS BEING ASSOCIATED TO? IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SPLIT LOT, YOU KNOW, TO THESE NOW SPLIT, UH, TWO SPLIT, YOU KNOW, STOREFRONTS SO THAT WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE WHAT WE HAVE TO REDUCE FROM TOO.
SO, SO I THINK JOHN CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I'LL TELL YOU MY EXPERIENCE WITH SHOPPING CENTERS AND THE PARKING REDUCTION, PARKING UTILIZATION, SHARED PARKING ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED ON THIS CENTER, YOU DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A ROLE OF PARKING PER USE.
AND IT PRIMARILY 'CAUSE PEOPLE WILL PARK DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON, BUT THAT'S HOW OUR CODE IS WRITTEN.
SO THAT'S HOW SO WELL, BUT, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE
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COMPLIANT HERE, RIGHT? SO, SO I DON'T WANNA MIX CODE COMPLIANT.MY QUESTION'S NOT ABOUT THAT THOUGH.
YEAH, SO I GET, SO YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE? IS THERE ENOUGH PARKING IN FRONT OF THE SPACE? RIGHT? SO FOR EACH, I ANSWER DYLAN'S QUESTION FIRST AND THEN I'LL SPEAK
SO THE ANSWER IS WE WOULD APPROACH THAT PARKING, SHARED PARKING ANALYSIS THE SAME WAY WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
DALE WOULD TOO, WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CENTER, AND WE WOULD DO THE ANALYSIS BASED ON THAT CENTER AND THE USES IN THAT CENTER, AND WE WOULD COMBINE ALL OF THE PARKING WITHIN THAT SEGMENT SEGMENT AND DO THE ANALYSIS AND, AND LIKE, SO WHEN WE'VE HAD THE, THE PARKING REDUCTIONS IN SAY, MIDCENTRAL, IS THAT, IS THAT HOW WE'VE APPROACHED IT IN THE PAST? SO I, I THINK MAYBE IF I COULD SPEAK TO LIKE CROSSROADS FOR EXAMPLE.
CROSSROADS IS A LARGER SPREAD OUT CENTER THAT IS NOT BROKEN INTO AS DALEWOOD IS ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ASKED, AND JOHN HAS ASKED IN THE PAST FOR THEM, UH, FOR THOSE APPLICANTS TO LOOK AT SUBPAR AREAS RELATIVE TO THE LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE IF THEY SAY, YEAH, THERE'S AVAILABLE PARKING, YOU KNOW, 2,500 LINEAR FEET AWAY FROM THE USE, YOU KNOW, IT'S AVAILABLE, WE'RE TELLING YOU ON THE SITE IT'S AVAILABLE.
SO THAT'S HOW WE'VE EVALUATED IT, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT FOR THIS SITE.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION BECAUSE THAT LOWER CORNER WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, WELL WHAT USED TO BE A, UH, A DIVIDER WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT UP NOW YOU'RE GONNA PUT UP SOME LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL PARKING ALSO FOR BEST BUY AND SPROUTS.
THAT'S, SO THAT'S WHERE MCDONALD'S AND, OKAY.
SO, SO TO KURT'S POINT THAT I WAS TACKING ONTO BEFORE, WHICH I THINK KIND OF MERGED INTO SOMETHING ELSE, I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THAT YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING, THAT THERE ARE PERMITTED USES, THAT UM, WE ARE LIKELY OVER PARKED FOR OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE TYPES OF USES.
UM, HOWEVER, MY QUESTION AND I THINK KURT'S QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, PEAK DEMAND FOR EACH OF THOSE USES BECAUSE THIS IS A SITE PLAN EVALUATION AND YOU'RE GONNA LOOK AT HOW, UM, THE LAYOUT IS AFFECTED BY POTENTIALLY THE DEMAND FOR EACH OF THOSE USES AND WHERE LOCATION OF CART CORRALS WOULD BE AND WHERE LOCATION OF, YOU KNOW, UH, LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT DEMAND.
BUT SO TO JUST TELL YOU, I THINK THE, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS IT PROPOSED IS DEFINITELY BIG IMPROVEMENTS IN WHAT'S THERE.
SO THAT'S GIVEN, SO WE ARE HAPPY ABOUT THAT NOW.
WE ARE ASKING THE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION AND UH, AND, AND HOW DOES THE THINGS WORKS.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, MIDWAY THE SHOPRITE HAS A, UH, THE OVERALL SHOPPING CENTER HAS ENOUGH, INCLUDING THE ONE ON THE, UH, ON, ON, ON, ON TOP OF THE CENTER NEAR JOANNE WAS THERE, BUT NOBODY USED IT.
AND SO WHAT WE REALLY FOUND THAT IF YOU HAD ANALYSIS, THAT MAKES IT A MUCH MORE, UH, EASIER FOR TO UNDERSTAND.
AND I THINK IT'S A CANON JOHN'S QUESTION TOO.
HE SAID, HOW DOES HE SEIZE THE DISTRIBUTION, RIGHT.
SO THEY DID THAT IN THIS INSTANCE, THEY DID A GOOD JOB, JOHN LOOKED AT IT.
UM, I HAVE ONE KIND OF FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
IF SPROUTS DOWN THE ROAD THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL AND THEY IDENTIFIED THAT THE CART CORRAL LOWEST AND TO THE RIGHT, UM, IN THE, IN THE PLAN IS TO THE RIGHT OF THAT ONE YEAH.
I'M SORRY, IS JUST SIMPLY NOT BEING UTILIZED.
COULD THEY RELOCATE THAT TO AN AREA WHERE IT WOULD GET MORE UTILIZED? ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S, THAT'S AN EASY ANSWER.
BUT GOING BACK TO THE, I THINK WAS LEADING
SO THE, SO I DIDN'T SEE THIS ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, WHEN I LOOKED AT IT THE OTHER DAY WHERE YOU HAD CART CORRALS ON THERE, DOES THAT CHANGE THE PARKING SPACE NUMBER? UH, WE DID LOOK AT THAT AND, UH, THE CART CORRAL LOCATIONS WITHIN, YOU KNOW, PARKING SPACES THAT WAS NOT FACTORED INTO THE OVERALL OFF STREET PARKING COUNT.
IT WASN'T LIKE THEY WERE UTILIZING THE CART CORRAL AREAS AS FOUR PARKING TOWARDS THEIR OFF STREET PARKING.
SO OUR NUMBERS ARE ALL STILL THE, THE CONCLUSION THAT WE HAVE A NET BALANCE OR PLUS THREE SPACES STILL IS CORRECT.
AND DID, UH, BOTTOM CHAIR, YES, JOHN? YEAH, JUST, JUST TO GO BACK TO THE PARKING AND DALEWOOD TWO IS WHERE THEY WERE PARKED.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE DRIVE VI, THAT WAS IN THE DALE TWO, THAT'S KIND OF
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ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE RED.SO THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE ON THE LEFT OF THAT, IN FRONT OF THE STORE, THERE ARE 76 PARKING SPACES THERE.
AND AT THE PR THERE WERE 46 OF THEM THAT WERE NOT PARKED IN.
SO THERE WERE 46 AVAILABLE SPACES.
SO THEN THE AREA ON THE RIGHT THAT'S BEING RECONFIGURED ON THE RIGHT OF THE DRIVEWAY, THERE ARE 191 SPACES THERE, WHICH 130 ARE NOT CURRENTLY BEING PARKED IN BECAUSE THE STORES ARE VACANT, COMBINED AND CONSERVATIVELY, IT'S ESTIMATED THAT BEST BUY AND SPROUTS WILL ADD 177 VEHICLES WHO WILL WANT TO PARK IN THOSE 130 SPACES.
SO THAT'S 47 MORE THAN WANT TO PARK THERE.
BUT THERE'S 46 SPACES FREE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRY VI.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE, ON THE BUSIEST DAYS, YOU MIGHT HAVE 46 GO OVER THERE, OR YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME GO IN THE BACK, WHICH IS WHY I RECOMMENDED THAT STAFF BE ASKED TO PARK IN THE BACK.
SO WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE IS YOU WILL BE CLOSE TO CAPACITY ALL IN FRONT OF THE STORE, DEAL WITH TWO ON THE BUSIEST DAYS, YOU WILL HAVE CAPACITY IN THE BACK AND YOU CAN ALLEVIATE CONDITIONS BY HAVING STAFF PARK IN THE BACK.
AND THE NUMBERS THAT YOU WANTED WERE 177 TO LOOKING TO PARK IN 130 VACANT SPACES RIGHT IN FRONT WITH ANOTHER 46 VACANT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DRIVE OFF.
AND, AND JOHN JUST, UH, YOU'VE USED THE WORD DURING THE BUSIEST TIMES, MAYBE IT WOULD HELP THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS IS THAT, IS THAT CHRISTMAS, 10% OF THE DAYS, LESS THAN 10% OF THE DAYS, IT IT IS PROBABLY 15 OR 20 HOURS A YEAR.
SO TO TO TO THE POINT AND, AND EVERY STUDY THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED, WE'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BUSIEST DAY OF THE YEAR FOR SHOPPING THIS CENTER POTENTIALLY COULD BE VERY FULL.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT'S THE SINGLE DAY OR TWO AS JOHN HAS SAID.
AND, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT'S WHY THE PARKING RATIOS FOR RETAIL CENTERS LIKE THIS HAVE BEEN CHANGING.
'CAUSE PEOPLE HAVE REALIZED THAT IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO PARK A CENTER FOR TWO DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR.
WHAT HAPPENS IS PEOPLE ADJUST THEIR TRIPS TO THE CENTER, TO THEIR COMFORT LEVEL AS TO HOW BUSY IT IS.
THAT'S ANOTHER SELF CONTROLLING PROCESS THAT HAPPENS HERE.
WE'RE ADDING A SEA OF ASPHALT, SOME CASES TWICE AS MANY SPACES AS WE NEED FOR A MAJORITY OF THE DAYS.
AND I THINK THE BUSIEST DAY NEEDS TO BE FURTHER DEFINED SO THAT AT LEAST YOU CAN PUT THIS INTO CONTEXT.
THIS ISN'T LIKE TWICE A MONTH.
THIS ISN'T LIKE TWICE EVERY SIX MONTHS.
THOSE OLD PARKING RATIOS ARE VERY INEFFICIENT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CONCERN ANYWAY.
WELL, BUT IT GOES TO YOUR QUESTION.
WHAT'S THE UTILIZATION IN FRONT OF THE CENTER? AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
THE DAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS IS GONNA BE FULL JULY 3RD.
YOU SHOULD STICK TO, ALRIGHT, I'M SORRY.
CAN I, CAN I ASK A NON-PAR QUESTION? ARE WE GOOD? I DO WANT ASK ONE MORE PARKING QUESTION THAT, WHICH IS, UM, IS SPROUTS, UH, ANTICIPATED OR UM, ARE THEY GOING TO DELIVER? DO THEY DO GROCERY DELIVERY AND DO THEY DO CUSTOMER PICKUP SPACES DEDICATED? GREAT QUESTIONS.
WE DON'T DO DELIVERY AT THE, SORRY, MARK.
THEY DO, UH, SPROUTS DOES NOT DO DELIVERY AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE GOT, UM, TWO OR THREE BEST BUY HAS PICKUP SPACES.
BUT, UH, THEY'VE GOT SOME PICKUP SPACES THAT THEY'VE DESIGNATED ON THE PLAN, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
YEAH, I CAN, I CAN CHECK RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT GOES SO TO MY, TO SOMETHING I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT WITH BEST BUY, WE WOULD JUST WANT THOSE IDENTIFIED SURE.
BECAUSE BEST BUY CURRENTLY HAS SPACES WHEN SOMEONE IS GOING TO BRING OUT SOMETHING HEAVY.
THAT KIND OF THING WHERE THEY CAN GO ACROSS THE FRONT.
IS THAT, HOW DOES THAT WORK? THEY'LL HAVE THAT HERE.
THAT IS INDICATED ON OUR PLAN.
AND IS IT, IS IT IT'S BEING, YEAH, IT'S BEING CIRCLED.
WAIT, SO THERE'S, THERE'S UM, ION YES.
I THOUGHT BEST BUY WAS THE OTHER SIGN.
YEAH, SHE'S, SORRY, REALLY CLEAR.
UM, COLETTE DERO, LANGAN CIVIL ENGINEER.
UH, SO THERE'S FOUR PICKUP FOR THE GROCERY STORE INDICATED HERE.
IT IS INDICATED ON OUR SITE PLAN.
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WITH SIGNAGE.BUT I AM UNCERTAIN OF WHERE THE BEST BUY PICKUP SPOTS ARE.
SO IT'S THESE TWO AND THESE TWO WILL BE THE BEST BUY PICKUP.
SO IF THAT COULD JUST BE YES, THAT WILL BE ADDED, ADDED TO THE PLANS SIMILAR.
AND THOSE RED LADDERS ARE CROSSWALKS, CORRECT? YES.
UH, I THINK MICHELLE, I THINK THE CROSSWALK QUESTION JUST CAME UP.
THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CONTINENTAL BAR BEING PREFERRED AND BETTER FOR, UM, VISIBILITY AND LESS CONFUSING FOR PEDESTRIANS AND MOTORISTS BECAUSE, UM, FOR WHATEVER STUDIES AND REASONS, UM, SOMETHING CREATIVE ENGINEER CONSIDER
I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.
THIS BOARD HAS GOTTEN THAT COMMENT IN THE PAST.
JOHN NINGS BEEN AWARE OF THE COMMENT THAT'S COME IN FROM A RESIDENT THAT'S HIGHLY INTERESTED IN PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
SO WE'VE STARTED TO TRANSITION HERE AND THERE.
IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR.
THERE'S AN UNDERGROUND WATER CROSS THAT RUNS ALONG THE LENGTH OF THAT THING AND YOU'RE CUTTING INTO STORM DRAINS UP CLOSE TO, YOU'RE GETTING TO THE WATERCOURSE AND THEN ARE YOU UPSETTING WHITE PLANES IN THE PROCESS? RIGHT.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S ON THEIR SIDE OF THE LAND.
SO WHEN WE DID THE, UM, WHEN WE DID THE OUT PARCEL, UH, FOR SHAKE SHACK, UM, THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A VAGUE REFERENCE TO THAT STREAM.
UH, THERE'S ACTUALLY A DEC MAP THAT SHOWS IT AS AN OPEN STREAM.
UM, YEAH, IT'S UNDERGROUND AND WE FOUND IT.
AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY EXCAVATION GRADE CHANGE IN THE AREA.
IT'S TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE CENTER.
UH, AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA TRY AND IDENTIFY IT ON THE PLAN SO THAT THERE'S SOME COMFORT.
SO WHAT'S YOUR STORM DRAIN CUTTING THING FOR ON YOUR GRADING PLAN? YOU SAY YOU'RE CUTTING INTO THE STORM DRAINS.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED YOU TO FINISH THAT THOUGHT THAT ABOUT THAT.
YOU'RE GONNA ADD IT TO THE YES.
IT'S PIPED AND I, I WANNA SAY IT'S A 36 INCH PIPE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK OUR RECORDS.
SO, SO WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'LL, WE'LL VALIDATE THAT WE'RE NOT IMPACTING IT AT ALL WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
'CAUSE YOU DO, IN YOUR GRADING PLAN, YOU TALK ABOUT CUTTING INTO STORM DRAIN, SO THEN, YOU KNOW YEAH.
MORE TOWARDS THE, SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT, I WILL, WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE PLANS AND IT'LL BE CLEAR THAT THERE'S NO IMPACT.
AND I KNOW THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE AGREEMENT WAS, THIS IS, WHITE PLAINS IS SAYING IT'S UP TO GREENBERG FROM PERMIT PERSPECTIVE.
DOES THEIR ANSWER CHANGE IF YOU'RE TOUCHING THE WATERCOURSE? 'CAUSE I THINK ACTUALLY IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE THE CO WHITE PLAINS, BUT WE, WE WILL DEMONSTRATE AS WE DID ON OUR OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE NOT AFFECTING IT.
WE, WE DON NOT WANT TO OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS. LITERALLY
UH, WHERE IS THE BUS STOP ALONG THE, I THINK THERE IS SOMEPLACE, THERE IS A, THERE'S TWO BUS STOP.
WHERE IS IT? CAN YOU IDENTIFY IT? WE HAVE IT LOCATED.
UH, I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THEY'RE AT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
THEN THE RELATED QUESTION IS THAT, UH, HOW DO THE PEOPLE FROM THE BUS STOP GO TO THE, GO TO THE GROCERY STORE IF SOMEONE WAS TAKING THE BUS AND GETTING OFF? OH, THAT'S HOW GOOD THE BUS STOP IS.
WHAT'S THE TRAVEL ROUTES? THE SIDEWALK BETWEEN DALE AND ONE AND DALE AND TWO.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU IDENT? YEAH, PLEASE IDENTIFY THAT.
SO WE, WE ADDED THIS SIDEWALK WHEN WE CONSTRUCTED THE OUT PARCEL BUILDING.
WHICH, WHICH DOESN'T SHOW IN THIS DIAGRAM.
SO, SO WE, WE, WE CONSTRUCTED A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY FROM DALEWOOD TWO TO CENTRAL AVENUE AS PART OF OUR OTHER, THAT PROJECT.
NOW THE QUESTION WAS THAT HOW DO THEY WALK TO THE, THEY WALK FROM CENTRAL AVENUE DOWN THE PATH ALONG TO PARKING TO THE CENTER AND THEY MAKE A RIGHT AND GO TO THE NO, NO.
HOW DO THEY GO FROM THAT THROUGH THE SEA OF PARKED CAR TO THE GROCERY STORES AND BACK? I I THINK WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, IS THERE IS, THERE IS A PATH, THERE'S A SIDEWALK.
IT IS NOT DIRECTLY THROUGH THEIR PARKING AREA.
IT'S TO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH, WHICH THEY CONSTRUCTED IN CONNECTION WITH WHEN THEY BUILT THE SHAKE SHACK AND, UM, CORRECT THE CRUMBLE.
IT'S, IT'S RIGHT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS DIAGRAM.
SO IF YOU SEE THE, THE YELLOW LINE THAT COMES VERTICAL OFF CENTRAL AVENUE,
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THIS IS THE SIDEWALK.IT'S, IT STARTS AT CENTRAL AVENUE, GOES UP TO A CROSSWALK, CONNECTS TO THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF DALEWOOD TWO, THAT ALLOWS THEM ACCESS TO ALL THE STORES IN DALEWOOD TWO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
I MEAN, DOWN TO THE SUPERMARKET PRIOR TO 2018.
BUT YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ONLY BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC PRIOR, PRIOR TO 2018, 2019, RIGHT BEFORE COVID, WHEN WE BUILT THE OUT PARCEL BUILDING, THERE WAS NO SIDEWALK LEADING IN FROM WHERE THAT BUS STOP IS ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE INTO DALEWOOD TWO.
NOW WE ADDED THAT SIDEWALK IN 2019, I THINK IT WAS 2019.
UM, AND IT SERVES ALL OF DALEWOOD TWO AND IT CONNECTS TO WHERE THE BUS STOP IS.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, SOMEBODY WHO HAS A, A GROCERY CART FROM SPROUT, YOU EXPECT THEM TO WALK ALONG THE, YOUR FRONTAGE, WALK TO THE, ALL THE WAY OVER THERE.
COME TO THE, COME TO THE, UH, I THINK MUST STOP ON THE LEFT.
I DON'T, BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK THEY'D BE WALKING WITH A GROCERY CART THOUGH, I THINK.
YEAH, BUT HOW ARE THEY GONNA DO IT? I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING, MOST LIKELY PEOPLE TAKE THE SHORTCUT AND WE WALK THROUGH THE BUS.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN WELL, MY, MY THINK IS THAT IF YOU CAN THINK OF IT, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENS AT THE SHOP, RIGHT? TRUCTURE THINK THE BUS STOP WAY YELLOW LINE IS WHERE, WHERE, UH, THAT'S WHAT I IDENTIFY THE VERTICAL.
SO JUST THEY'RE SHOWING THE BUS SHELTER NOW IN RED.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT? YEAH.
SO JUST AS OPPOSED TO JUST, JUST, JUST LET APPLICANT ANSWER THE QUESTION.
I'M SAYING THAT HOW DO THEY, CAN YOU JUST SORT OF DRAW THE LINE, SOMEBODY COMING OUT OF THE SPROUT GROSS STORE AND GOING THAT, UH, GOING, GOING TO THAT BUS STOP AND CONSIDERING THAT HE HAS A BAG OF, UH, IF NOT THE CART, BUT MOST LIKELY PEOPLE WILL DRIVE, TAKE THE CARD ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF IT, AND THEN WE'LL JUMP THROUGH THE, UH, WHATEVER THE PARKING, EMPTY PARKING SPACE AND COME TO THE, UH, COME TO THE SIDEWALK ON THE CENTRAL AVENUE.
SO MY QUESTION IS THAT, UH, AND I SEE THAT EVERY TIME, IF YOU GO TO SHOPRITE AT MIDWAY, THAT PEOPLE TRY TO, THEY HAD PROVIDED, I THINK AFTER A COUPLE OF SUGGESTIONS TO HAVE A, UH, SIDEWALK THAT GOES FROM THEIR EXIT DOOR OF SHOPRITE TO THE, UH, TO THE CENTRAL AVENUE, UH, BUS STOP.
BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO THAT.
SO, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT THE LENGTH OF THAT THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IS TOO LONG? WELL, PEOPLE WON'T USE IT.
SO THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE WHAT IS IT NATURALLY PEOPLE DO, AND THAT WILL BE KIND OF A, NOT VERY, UH, GOOD FOR PEDESTRIAN AND DANGEROUS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA TAKE A SHOPPING CART WITH THEIR GROCERIES, DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING AISLES WITH THE CART, GET TO THE END, TAKE THEIR BAGS OUT, AND THEN GET ON THE BUS.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO IT.
I'M NOT GO TO WALK THROUGH THE, WELL, AND I, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT LOCKS ON THE, ON THE CART SO THEY CAN ONLY GO A CERTAIN DISTANCE.
SO ULTIMATELY IF THEY ARE TAKING THE CART, THEY'LL ONLY GET AS FAR AS WHAT THAT PARAMETER IS.
PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT TO, THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN IF YOU'VE COME TO THE GROCERY STORE AND YOU'RE TAKING YOUR GROCERIES HOME, IS IT LIKELY THAT YOU'RE CARRYING MORE THAN TWO BAGS OF GROCERIES? I MEAN, AGAIN, ARE WE DESIGNING, ARE WE TRYING TO DESIGN THIS FOR WELL, SAFETY IS WHAT MY CONCERN IS.
SO TO K'S POINT, I DON'T THINK THAT HE'S HAVE ADDRESS.
I THINK THIS QUESTION IS ABOUT SAFETY FROM THE STORE AT THIS.
UH, YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT THE, IS THIS THE SIDEWALK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN SHOPRITE CENTER? YEAH, YEAH.
NO, THAT GO, GOES TO THE STORE.
SO IT COMES FROM CENTRAL AVENUE, GOES STRAIGHT UP.
SO THE PARK, THE CARS ARE PARKED AND THEN THERE'S THIS LIKE SIDEWALK PEOPLE CAN WALK ON THAT TAKES THEM TO CENTRAL AVENUE, THAT THAT'S WHAT HE'S DISCUSSING.
I'M, I'M NOT CHECK, I DON'T THINK IT'S A CONCERN ABOUT PEOPLE LEAVING THE CARTS ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CONCERN.
I THINK THE CONCERN IS THE ABILITY TO WALK FROM THE ENTRANCE OF THE STORE AND HIT CENTRAL AVENUE.
UM, AND IF THERE'S A QUESTION MUG CHAIR.
SO, UM, FOR SHAKE SHACK, CHUCK IS CORRECT.
THEY CAN, THEY PROVIDED A SIDEWALK THAT WENT FROM THE WEST.
IT WENT FROM THE, THE STREET, FROM THE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF DALEWOOD TOO.
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IN, WHICH WAS GREAT.IT IT, I'M ASKING CHUCK NOW ON THE EAST SIDE OR THE NORTH SIDE, I GUESS RIGHT ON THE OPPOSITE END OF GA OH TWO, THERE'S A, THERE'S A MEDIAN AND I KNOW THERE'S A GREAT DIFFERENCE, BUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A SIDEWALK DOWN THAT MEDIAN INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED PERCENT LANDSCAPING DOWN AND THEN MAKING A CONNECTION TO THE SIDEWALK AT THE STREET? NOW YOU HAVE BOTH SIDES CONNECTED.
UM, CAN, CAN SOMEBODY POINT OUT, WHAT ABOUT THE LIGHTING? UH, DO YOU HAVE A LIGHTING PLAN? I KNOW LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE IN THE PARKING LOT.
I'M SURE THEY HAVE IT, BUT WHAT'S THAT? A LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE.
IS THERE A PLAN THAT YOU CAN WE HAVE A SIGNAGE PLAN.
IS THE LIGHTING CHANGE? WELL, I GUESS WITH THE REORIENTATION TO THE EXTENT THAT POLES HAVE TO MOVE TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEW STRIPING, WE WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE THEM.
IT WOULD BE ZONING COMPLIANT AND COMPLIANT WITH OUR SIGN AND ILLUMINATION CODE.
DARK SKY COMPLIANT, UH, DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT'S ON THE PLANS.
YEAH, JUST THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
AND IF YOU COULD LOOK IN, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER TONIGHT AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT TAKES TIME, I MEAN, IF IT'S A NO OR IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT WE DON'T NEED YOU TO ANSWER THIS EVENING.
AND IF THERE'S NOT EVEN AN ANSWER AS THIS BOARD TRANSITIONS TOWARDS A RECOMMENDATION, IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD RECOMMENDS TO GET FURTHER EXPLORED AT THE TIME YEAR BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, EVEN IF YOU SAY IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, BUT, OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IS THAT THE NEXT STEP TO GET BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD? SO THE NEXT, SO WITH RESPECT TO PROCESS, SINCE I, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH DONE WITH THE DISCUSSION.
YOU JUST POINT OUT WHAT JOHN I WILL THANK YOU.
UM, PROCESS WISE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WANT TO SEE ADDED TO THE PLANS AND, AND REVISED.
I THINK THAT COULD PROBABLY BE DONE IN A TIMELY FASHION.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO SCHEDULING AND JUST SPEAKING BRIEFLY WITH THE CHAIR, WE PROBABLY PUT THIS ON FOR SEPTEMBER 29TH.
SO WE'D HAVE PLANNING BOARD PLANNING BOARD AT THAT MEETING, FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION AND THE REVISIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS DONE, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD IN ALL LIKELIHOOD BE IN A POSITION TO CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THEN YOU WOULD GO BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD LIKELY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN SEEKER AND A DECISION, UM, AT THAT TIME.
SO THIS EPTEMBER 20, IT, THE PLANNING BOARD WILL NOT BE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON, ON THIS MATTER.
UM, AND THE TOWN BOARD MEETS ON ALTERNATING WEDNESDAYS.
SO, UM, BUT THAT DATE'S ACTUALLY A MONDAY BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY.
UH, BUT THE TOWN BOARD'S NOT MEETING ON OCTOBER 1ST, WHICH IS A WEDNESDAY.
29TH WOULD BE OUR NEXT MEETING.
WE WANT THE MATERIALS IN A WEEK AHEAD OF TIME.
AT LEAST IDEALLY A LITTLE SOONER.
AND THEN IF EVERYTHING CHECKS OUT AND THIS BOARD'S READY, IT WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO DISCUSS A RECOMMENDATION.
AND DEPENDING ON THE DETAIL OF THE RECOMMENDATION, IT COULD EITHER DIRECT, UM, VOTE THAT NIGHT AND THEN STAFF PREPARE IT AND THEN THEY LOOK IT OVER PRIOR TO TRANSMISSION OF THE TOWN BOARD OR DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE SOMETHING FOR ITS CONSIDERATION AT THE FOLLOWING MEETING.
THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED AT THIS TIME.
YEAH, I THINK WE LIKE, UH, HAVING A MORE GROCERY STORES, SO WE ARE HAPPY THAT YOU ARE, YOU ARE BRINGING THE GROCERY STORES.
SO JUST TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATION THAT, AND I DON'T HAVE MY MIC SO I'LL SPEAK LOUDLY.
LOCATION THAT JOHN CANNING WAS, UM, ASKING THE APPLICANT TO EXPLORE.
UM, IS THIS THE PLAN? YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
JUST, JUST SO EVERYONE'S, I MEAN WE'LL LOOK AT IT, BUT THERE'S A, THOSE YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE CENTER, THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL GRADE CHANGE THAT OCCURS THERE THAT HAS ALWAYS COMPLICATED THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO CENTERS.
NOT TO SAY THAT WE WON'T LOOK AT IT, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
SO IF YOU GO FURTHER THAN THAT TOWARDS DALEWOOD THREE WHERE THE DISTANCE IS SHORTER.
AND THIS SEEMS TO BE A CONCERN ABOUT DISTANCE, RIGHT? WE HAVE CROSSWALKS THAT GET US ACROSS.
SO IF WE COULD GET TO THE CORNER OF DALEWOOD THREE AND FIND AN EASIER WAY ACROSS WITHOUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN MAYBE THAT'S AN ANSWER.
THE SIDEWALK RUNS THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF CENTRAL AVENUE.
SIR, THE QUESTION IS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO CROSS, YOU WANTED TO CROSS AS LITTLE A TRAVELING LANE AS POSSIBLE.
SO THAT SOLUTION WOULD CROSS TWO TRAVEL LANES.
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I JUST WANTED TO INDICATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER BUS STOP IS DOWN HERE.SO COULD BE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
THERE'S GONNA BE CROSSING OF TRAVEL LANES MM-HMM
AND UH, YOU'LL GET BACK TO US.
I CAN DO THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION.
AND JUST, AND NOT WAIT, JOHN CAN SIT 'CAUSE PEOPLE COME ZOOMING AND THEN YOU'LL KILL ALL THE PEDESTRIANS.
LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAKING THE RIGHT TURN OFF
WELL THAT'S WHY WE LIKE THE SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY OVER.
WE'RE NOT CROSSING ANY, BUT THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THE TEAM IS GONNA EVALUATE EVERYTHING AND DISCUSS AMONGST THEMSELVES AND REPORT BACK TO THIS BOARD.
UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
BUT YOU'VE HEARD THE BOARD'S UNDERSTAND QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.