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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, September 17, 2025 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
ALL RIGHT.UH, IT IS 7:08 PM UH, WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17TH, AND I WILL CALL THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING TO ORDER.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, WILL YOU TAKE THE ROLE? MR. PINE? HERE.
HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBERS LESLIE DAVIS AND JOHANN SNAGS ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
UH, DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 3RD? YES.
WAS THERE ANY, UH, FEEDBACK OR QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SEPTEMBER 3RD MINUTES.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIT, IS THERE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? UH, THERE IS ONE MATTER UNDER CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS EVENING.
IT RELATES TO CASE NUMBER PB UH, 14 DASH 35 CARRIAGE HILL SUBDIVISION D DRAGO WAY.
THERE'S A REQUEST FOR THE, UM, ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
THERE IS A REQUEST TO AMEND A CONDITION OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S APPROVAL THAT WAS ISSUED ON JUNE 4TH, 2025.
WE HAVE MR. ABEL HERE ON BEHALF OF THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY FOR THE RECORD.
STEVEN RABEL WITH MCCULLOUGH, GOLDBERGER AND STOUT HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF RASHAD BILAL WHO OWNS TWO DRAG AWAY.
UH, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ALL FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SUBDIVISION.
UM, THE DEVELOPER HAD, UH, I GUESS A BIT OF A INTERESTING RECORD WITH REGARD TO THIS STORMWATER BASIN.
UH, BUT JUST TO KEEP IT BRIEF, UM, WHEN MR. BILAL PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, IT WAS NOT INDICATED IN HIS TITLE REPORT OR ON THE FILE PLAT THAT THERE WAS, UH, A REQUIREMENT FOR AN ABOVE GROUND STORMWATER BASIN.
AS THE BOARD WILL RECALL, HE APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED APPROVALS FOR, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN TO ALLOW FOR AN UNDERGROUND STORMWATER BASIN.
THAT APPROVAL REQUIRED THE HOA TO MAINTAIN THE BASIN.
AND FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, MR. BILAL, UH, IS LOOKING TO TAKE ON THAT RESPONSIBILITY DIRECTLY SO THAT HE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE REPAIR REPLACEMENTS OF THE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER BASIN THAT IS ON HIS PROPERTY.
SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT JUST REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THAT CONDITION SO THAT THE APPLICANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEIR HEIRS, SUCCESSORS, AND THE SIGNS WOULD MAINTAIN IT IN PERPETUITY.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, SO THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL REQUIRED THE HOA TO MAINTAIN IT, THE ORIGINAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRED THE HOA TO MAINTAIN AND WHY.
AND DO YOU NEED WHO, WHO, WHO GAVE THAT INITIAL APPROVAL? YOUR BOARD.
AND WHY, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE MOTIVATION FOR HIM WANTING TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY? THIS H-O-O-A-A, IT, IT, IT, EXCUSE ME.
IT DOES SERVE THE WHOLE HOA RIGHT? IT SERVES SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES.
UH, SO THE DEVELOPER INFORMING THE HOA, THAT DOCUMENT DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROVIDE AN EASEMENT OR OBLIGATION ON THE HOA TO MAINTAIN THE BASIN, UH, AS IT'S CURRENTLY DRAFTED.
AND FURTHERMORE, THE HOA AND ITS GOVERNING BOARD DON'T APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN FORMED IN ANY CAPACITY.
SO FOR MY CLIENT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AND GET THE HOA TO MAINTAIN THIS NEW BASIN, WE WOULD NEED THE HOA TO FORM.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GET THE INDIVIDUALS ONTO THE BOARD AND THEN IN SOME WAY COMPEL THEM TO AGREE TO IT SIMPLER AND CLEANER.
MR. BLA SAID, I'LL JUST TAKE CARE OF IT.
UH, AND I'M WILLING TO ENTER INTO A STORMWATER MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT AND A STORMWATER EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN TO GUARANTEE, UH, THE MAINTENANCE GOING FORWARD.
AND YOU AGREEABLE TO RECORDING THAT IN ANY FUTURE DEED? CORRECT? IT WOULD RUN WITH THE PROPERTY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THEN I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT OF THE CONDITIONAL REQUEST.
SO MOVE, UH, MR. WEIN WEINBERG.
UH, MS. ANDERSON, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING US ON AND THANK YOU TO THE LAW AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
UH, SO NOW WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UH, FIRST UP WE HAVE CASE PB 25 0 3 HIGHTOWER.
UH, AND I'D LIKE TO CALL UP MR. CCHI.
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GREAT.HOW ARE YOU? HI, GOOD EVENING.
I'M THE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT AT 10 PETERSON.
I'M SORRY, I'M HAVING ACTUALLY MY OFFICE ASSISTANT SHARE THE SCREEN WHILE I SPEAK.
MIA, IF YOU COULD JUST CLICK OFF THE, UH, THE POPUP IN THE CENTER.
UH, 'CAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TONIGHT.
BUT ANYWAY, WE, UH, THIS PROJECT AT 10 CATERTON TERRACE IS, UH, REAR YARD IMPROVEMENTS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, RETAINING WALLS, UH, SORRY, A RETAINING WALL IN THE REAR YARD AND LEVELING IT TO CREATE SOME USABLE SPACE.
UH, WHEN I WAS BEFORE YOU LAST, THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING PROTECTION OF THE TREE IN THE FRONT, WHICH WE ADDRESSED BY ADDING, UH, SHEETS OF PLYWOOD, UH, THE CALLED OUT SHEETS OF PLYWOOD OVER THE, THE ROOTS OF THE TREES.
TERRANCE, COULD YOU TURN THE VOLUME UP A LITTLE BIT IN THE ROOM? ALRIGHT, TRY NOW, MR. KAIP.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO JUST, UH, START AT THE TREE PROTECTION? SURE.
SO, UH, YEAH, WHEN, WHEN WE WERE LAST BEFORE YOU, THERE WERE COMMENTS REGARDING, UH, A TREE THAT WAS AT THE FRONT CORNER OF THE HOME.
UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WERE, WE WERE ASKED TO ADD SOME AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND WE WERE ASKED TO ADD SOME TREE PROTECTION, UH, OR TRUE TREE ROOT PROTECTION.
AND, UH, I DID SO BY CALLING OUT, UH, SHEETS OF PLYWOOD TO BE, UH, INSTALLED OVER THE TREE ROOTS.
AND, UH, SO THAT WHEN, WHEN EQUIPMENT DROVE OVER THEM, IT DIDN'T DAMAGE THEM OR COMPRESSED THE SOILS AROUND THE ROOTS.
AND, UH, WE ALSO UPDATED THE TREE PROTECTION TO BE CHAIN LINK FENCE AS OPPOSED TO ORANGE CONSTRUCTION FENCE.
UM, AND THEN WE PROVIDED SOME EQUIPMENT SPECS, UH, THAT WERE PROPOSED TO BE USED FOR THE, THE ALTERATIONS.
OTHER THAN THAN THAT, UH, THE APPLICATION REMAINS THE SAME AS PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED.
AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I'M, I'M HERE TO ADDRESS.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT? YES.
UH, MR. OLI, JUST TWO QUESTIONS, ACTUALLY.
ONE, UM, UNDERNEATH THE PLYWOOD, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN YOUR LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 2ND, THERE'S GONNA BE A BED OF, OF WOOD CHIPS PLACED UNDER TO HELP SPREAD THAT, UM, THE WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION AND LIMIT THE IMPACT TO THE ROOT SYSTEM.
IS THAT RIGHT? YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.
I ACTUALLY NOTED IT ON THE PLAN.
YES, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MULCH, UH, UNDERNEATH THE PLYWOOD.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, UM, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT HAVING A FENCE ATOP THE, THE WALL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS ADDED TO THE PLAN AS WELL.
WE DID, WE ADDED, UH, FALL PROTECTION, UH, TO THE TOP OF THE WALL AND, UH, THAT'S NOW PART OF THE APPLICATION.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? IS THAT DEFENSE ON BOTH THE WALLS OR JUST THE MIA CAN YOU PLEASE GO TO THE SECOND PAGE SHEET? PAGE TWO? YEAH.
IT'S ON THE BOTH, UH, BOTH THE WALL? YEAH, IT'S ON BOTH WALLS.
IT'S ON THE TOP AND THE TOP AND THE BOTTOM.
THE TOP WALL AND THE LOWER WALL.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.
UM, SO THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
SORRY, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES IT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING SPEAK ON THE PROJECT EITHER IN PERSON OR ON ZOOM.
UM, ALRIGHT THEN I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE RECORD OPEN FOR, UH, A PERIOD THROUGH, UH, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22ND.
AND I'LL NOTE THAT, UH, MONDAY, MONDAY IS NOT OUR TYPICAL CADENCE.
UH, OUR NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING WILL BE MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH DUE TO THE HOLIDAYS COMING UP.
AND SO MONDAY THE 22ND WILL BE A WEEK BEFORE OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING.
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AYE.ALRIGHT, NEXT UP, NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 14 GARRI AND I'D LIKE TO CALL UP, UH, MR. SHARIA, OR ARE THEY, ARE THEY ALSO ON ZOOM? I DO NOT SEE THEM ON ZOOM, MR. SHARIA AND I DID SEND BOTH MR. SHARIA AND HIS OFFICE, UH, THE ZOOM LINK THIS MORNING AND THEY DID SEND OUT THE NOTICES.
WHAT ARE YOU, UH, ARE YOU, ARE YOU I'M OWNER.
YOU'RE, OH, YOU'RE THE OWNER? YEAH.
HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE HERE IN PERSON, SO.
SHOULD I GO OFF AHEAD AND PUT THE
JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, JASMINE GARRI 20 BAYBERRY ROAD.
UH, AND THIS IS A CASE REGARDING, UH, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, UM, SEEKING APPLICATION THAT REVOLVES AROUND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW FAMILY HOME.
AND THIS IS, THE SITE IS CURRENTLY APPROVED, BUT A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENCE, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING TO DEMOLISH.
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UM, THIS IS, UH, THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICATION RELATED TO STEEP SLOPES, WHICH NEEDED APPROVAL PURSUANT TO THE LAST HEARING.DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE READING THE REST OF IT OR IF YOU COULD SURE.
I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 1078 SQUARE FEET OF DISTRIBUTION TO 15 TO 25% SLOPES STEEP SLOPES APPROXIMATELY 159 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 25 TO 35 SLOPES, UH, AND APPROXIMATELY 302 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 35%.
PROJECT REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 253 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION WITH 253 CUBIC YARDS OF, UH, IN IMPORTED FILL REQUIRED A FILL PERMIT FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER.
APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE ADDITION OF FIVE DRY WELLS TO HANDLE THE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM PREVIOUS SURFACES.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 0.55 ACRES AND IS SITUATED ON THE WESLEY SIDE OF BAYBERRY ROAD, FINAL HOUSE ON THE LEFT SIDE BEFORE REACHING THE CUL-DE-SAC.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R 41 FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT AND IS DESIGNATED ON THE TAX MAP OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AS PARCEL NUMBER 7 1 3 0 2 0 8.
AND, UM, AS WE SORT OF HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE WE OPENED MM-HMM
THE PLAN REVISION SINCE THE LAST MEETING WAS TO INCLUDE SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG THE SIDE, CORRECT? THE BOARD, UM, WHICH IS ON I THINK THE SECOND PAGE.
YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE TOP TO THE RIGHT.
UH, IS THAT THE FIRST PAGE OR SECOND PAGE? SO I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE AND I'M USING THE CURSOR ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND SIDE.
IS WHERE THE LANDSCAPING THAT THE BOARD HAD REQUESTED SOME EVERGREENS.
THERE IS EXISTING LANDSCAPING THAT RUNS ALONG THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY LINE JUST OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IT WAS KIND OF IN AN EFFORT TO FILL IN THE GAP.
UM, THERE ARE NO TREES PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL, BUT THEY DO HAVE, UM, THE EVERGREENS AND THEN TWO NATIVE FLOWERING TREES, UH, IN THE FRONT YARD AS WELL.
WE JUST ADDED SOME TREES FROM THE LAST ONE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE NEIGHBOR? I'M SORRY? HAVE YOU TALKED WITH MY NEIGHBOR? YEAH.
UH, THERE WAS NO NEED TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBOR.
THOSE ARE ON MY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE TREES.
I THINK MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO, KNOCK DOWN THE HOUSE, BUILD A NEW HOUSE.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMMUNICATION WITH NO, UH, THE NEIGHBORS? NO.
BUT THE NOTICES WERE SENT AND THERE'S A SIGN IN THE FRONT YARD.
CORRECT? THERE'S AN AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE IN THE FILE.
SO THERE IS NOTHING, UH, YEAH.
UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS THE NEIGHBOR HAVE AND, UH, I MEAN YOU USING THEIR, THEIR, THEIR BUFFER THE TREES AS, AS A PART OF A, UH, I'M SORRY.
I'M USING WHAT I THINK YOU, THE PART OF THE TREES UHHUH IS ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, WHICH YOU ARE USING AS A BUFFER, BUT THAT'S FINE IF THE, IF THEY DIDN'T NOT COME.
I MEAN, I MEAN I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE IS SOME TREES ON, ON THE NEIGHBOR'S SIDE THAT SHARES A DUAL PURPOSE.
AND THERE'S SOME NEW TREES THAT WILL SERVE A DUAL PURPOSE.
THERE'S EXISTING TREES LOCATED ON THE, UH, UH, PROPERTY FOR THE NEIGHBOR.
THESE ARE TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED ON OUR SIDE AS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, PRIVACY, WHICH I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST ONE.
SAY PUT UP SOME PRIVACY TREES.
IS THERE ANY FENCE BETWEEN, THERE IS AN EXISTING FENCE THERE.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA POINT THAT OUT.
BUT YOU SAID TO ED TREES, SO I SAID OKAY.
ANY, UH, SO WHERE IS THE FENCE? SO, SO RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE I'M SURE.
OH, CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
IT RUNS ALONG AND THEN EVEN ALONG THIS ANGLE AS WELL, ON BOTH SIDES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALRIGHT, ANY THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? ALRIGHT.
VERY WELL, UH, THEN I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE, UH, WRITTEN RECORD OPEN FOR A PERIOD THROUGH SEPTEMBER 22ND.
DO I SEE A MOTION? WE DID A SECRET.
I WILL DO THAT AHEAD OF THE DECISION.
UH, MR. WEINBERG? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO, UM, MA'AM, THIS WILL BE ON FOR A DECISION AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH
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IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH.SO YOU'RE ALL SET FOR THIS EVENING.
AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION OF THE MEETING.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION OF THIS MEETING.
UH, THIS IS STILL THE WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING, UH, AND IT IS 7:32 PM UH, AND I WILL OPEN THE WORK SESSION.
UH, FIRST UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER TB 24 0 1 PB 24 0 4 BMR LEY PARK, AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE UP MS. GRAY.
AND BEFORE, BEFORE WE START AS WELL, I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS ONE.
IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT MY EMPLOYER HAS THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PARENT COMPANY OF THE APPLICANT.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, JENNIFER GRAY FROM THE LAW FIRM OF KEENAN BEAN HERE REPRESENTING, UH, BMR UH, BIOMED REALTY, UH, WITH ME TONIGHT, UH, WE'VE GOT OUR TEAM HERE.
UH, WE HAVE ETHAN WALSH FROM THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FROM BIOMED.
UH, WE HAVE DIEGO VI FROM, UH, JOHN MEYER CONSULTING, ALONG WITH PAUL IC AND ALSO GEORGE RADOS, UH, FROM MY OFFICE.
SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, TO DISCUSS THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BIOMED PROPERTY ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, UM, TO A WAREHOUSE FACILITY.
UM, FOR THE RECORD, UH, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND IT'S IN OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS, BUT THIS IS STRICTLY A WAREHOUSE FACILITY, NOT A LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD ONCE AGAIN.
UM, WE ARE HERE ON REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD, UH, FOR YOUR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION ON THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION.
UH, WE WERE LAST BEFORE THE BOARD ON AUGUST 4TH.
UH, THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME BEFORE YOU.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, UH, MADE A SUBMISSION IN RESPONSE TO THE COMMENTS AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD AND STAFF AND YOUR CONSULTANTS AT THAT MEETING.
UM, I'LL WALK THROUGH SORT OF A, A HIGH LEVEL LIKE QUARTERBACK SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS OF THAT SUBMISSION.
AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, UM, TO JOHN MEYER CONSULTING TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS OF, OF THE PLAN SUBMISSION THAT WE MADE.
UM, SO FIRST, WITH RESPECT TO OUR LANDSCAPING PLAN, UH, WE ALREADY HAD A PRETTY ROBUST LANDSCAPING PLAN, ESPECIALLY FOR THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY.
UM, BUT WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES TO, UM, ALLOW FOR THE PLANTS TO REACH MATURITY MORE QUICKLY.
SO, UH, THAT THAT LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, WILL, WILL COME TO FRUITION A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY UNDER THE PROPOSED PLAN AT THIS POINT.
AND, AND PAUL WILL WALK THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THAT, UH, ONCE HE COMES UP.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, TRUCK ROUTE, UH, THIS WAS A, A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD BACK IN AUGUST.
UH, WE DO HAVE DESIGNATED TRUCK ROUTE PURSUANT TO OUR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT, UH, THE TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE SUPPOSED TO UTILIZE FOR, UM, BOTH ARRIVING AT THE SITE AND DEPARTING FROM THE SITE.
UM, WE HAVE, WE'LL HAVE OPERATIONAL MEASURES IN PLACE TO NOTIFY OPERATORS OF THOSE TRUCKS OF THE DESIGNATED TRUCK ROUTES AND, UH, AND, AND RESTRICTIONS FOR, FOR, UM, UH, LONG NINE A TO DIRECT THEM TO THE APPROPRIATE ROUTES.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY, BY YOUR CONSULTANT KIMLEY HORN AND FOUND TO BE ACCEPTABLE.
IN ADDITION TO THOSE, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT, WHAT ELSE CAN BE DONE TO TRY TO ENFORCE THESE TRUCK ROUTES.
UM, SO IN OUR MOST RECENT SUBMISSION, WE'VE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT THE TENANT LEASES, UH, WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE PROVISIONS MANDATING COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE DESIGNATED TRUCK ROUTES.
UM, THIS COULD ALSO INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT FOR A CONTRACT WITH ANY THIRD PARTY, UH, TRUCKING COMPANY TO INCLUDE SIMILAR PROVISIONS.
THIS WAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE, THE TOWN WILL HAVE ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITY THROUGH CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UM, SO THERE'LL BE A TOWN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, BUT THERE'LL ALSO BE A PRIVATE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM IN PLACE AS WELL, UH, THROUGH ENFORCING THESE, THESE TENANT LEASES AND CONTRACTS WITH THE TRUCKING COMPANIES.
SO IT'S A, A MULTI-LAYERED, UM, APPROACH TO ENFORCEMENT.
UM, THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE HAD PRESENTED, UH, UH, LAST TIME WAS UPDATED TO INCORPORATE, UH, RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS FROM YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
UH, AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH OUR APPLICATION PACKAGE.
UM, AND THEN TWO OTHER THINGS I'M
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GONNA MENTION.I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT, UH, COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, OF THE SITE THAT HAVE OCCURRED, AND THEN ALSO I'LL ADDRESS, UH, SIDEWALKS.
SO, UM, AS REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAVE HAD, UM, AND, AND PRIOR TO THE LAST MEETING, WE, WE HAD HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH, THE CEMETERY, UH, WESTCHESTER HILL CEMETERY.
THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE, ARE ONGOING.
WE'RE, WE'RE IN, UM, ACTIVE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CEMETERY.
AND, AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN GOOD.
UH, WE'VE ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH, UH, WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UH, WHO MAINTAINS AN OFFICE BUILDING, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE.
UH, WE HAD A, A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH, WITH THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE FROM THAT OFFICE BUILDING.
AND THEN SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WE'VE ALSO HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE OWNER OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, THE LOFTS, UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY LOCATED IN THE VILLAGE OF HASTINGS ON HUDSON.
UH, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH THE OWNERSHIP'S REPRESENTATIVE SHORTLY AFTER OUR LAST MEETING IN AUGUST.
UM, AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE, UH, FROM THE OWNER OF THAT BUILDING.
WE'VE TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY AND OUR SUBMISSION TO YOUR BOARD FOR TONIGHT TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS, UH, UH, SET FORTH IN THAT LETTER.
I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THOSE.
UM, BUT THEY ARE IN, IN YOUR RECORD, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, BUT THEN TURNING TO SIDEWALKS, UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, UH, YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, KINLEY HORNE, AND THEN ALSO BOARD MEMBERS HAD ASKED US TO, UH, PRESENT A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR PROVIDING SIDEWALKS ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF OUR SITE, AND THEN ALSO SIDEWALK GOING FROM OUR SITE NORTH TO LAWRENCE STREET.
SO THOSE CONCEPTUAL PLANS WERE INCLUDED IN THIS SUBMISSION PACKAGE.
UM, BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO, TO KIMLEY HOR, I'M SORRY, TO KIMLEY HOR TO JOHN MEYER CONSULTING, UH, KIMLEY HORN
UM, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION, AND THIS IS IN OUR SUBMISSION AS WELL, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE MUCH PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AS A RESULT OF, OF OUR PROJECT.
UM, IF ANY, UH, WE ANTICIPATE THAT MOST EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA ARRIVE BY CAR, BY BUS, UM, OR, OR BY BIKE, FRANKLY.
UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN OUR SUBMISSION PACKAGE, WHAT WE'VE ALREADY PROPOSED IS, UM, TO ADD A SIDEWALK GOING FROM THE NORTHERN DRIVEWAY TO THE EXISTING BUS STOP, UM, AT THE FRONTAGE ALONG OUR PROPERTY, AND THEN ALSO, UM, CROSSING, OVERSAW MILL RIVER ROAD TO GET TO THE BUS STOP ON THE OTHER SIDE OF SAWMILL RIVER ROAD IN FRONT OF THE LOFTS.
UH, SO THAT, THAT IS PART OF OUR APPLICATION PACKAGE AT THIS TIME.
UM, WE DID PROVIDE, LIKE I MENTIONED, THAT THE SIDEWALK, UH, SCHEMATIC THERE AS DETAILED IN OUR SUBMISSION, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME, SOME TRICKY ASPECTS
UM, BUT BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE ANTICIPATE VERY LITTLE, IF ANY PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A, A FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THE ULTIMATE, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF A SIDEWALK, EITHER IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING OR, UM, OR GOING UP TO LAWRENCE STREET, UM, UM, TO ASSIST THE TOWN.
SO, UM, I ANTICIPATE WE'LL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT.
UH, BUT THAT IS OUR PROPOSAL TO, UM, TO PROVIDE OUR, OUR, OUR FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTION TOWARD THE ULTIMATE CONSTRUCTION OF, OF THOSE SIDEWALKS.
SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO PAUL TO GO THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UH, AND THEN I BELIEVE DIEGO WILL GO THROUGH THE SIDEWALKS AND, AND SOME SOME STORM WATER REVISIONS WITH YOU.
YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON YOUR SIDEWALK.
UH, WE, WE SAVE QUESTIONS UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENTATION.
NO, BUT THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT FOR THE POLICY.
THE, THE SIDEWALKS WE PROPOSING FOR I'M ON A PLAN BOARD IS NOT JUST A, UH, IS CONNECTING THE PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
AND WE ENCOURAGE, UH, WHETHER THERE IS A, UH, ACTUAL INCREASE IN PEDESTRIAN OR NOT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST YOUR POPULATIONS THAT'S GONNA BE USING THAT, BUT THE TOWN WIDE CONNECTIVITY OF PEDESTRIAN.
SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, PERSPECTIVE ON THE SIDEWALK
IF I COULD JUST MENTION, SO THE ONLY REASON I MENTIONED OUR, UM, UNDERSTAND ANTICIPATED IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT IS AN OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT AND TYPICALLY OFFITE IMPROVEMENTS ARE, ARE PROPORTIONATE TO THE IMPACTS FROM THE PROJECT.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I MENTIONED UNDERSTAND OUR LEVEL OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
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FOR THE RECORD.PAUL SIAC FROM JMC PLANNING AND ENGINEERING.
I'M GONNA, UM, WALK YOU GUYS THROUGH THE PROPOSED, UH, LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WE HAVE, UH, UP IN THE
THE PROJECTOR RIGHT NOW IS THE SLIDE OF THE RENDERING.
JUST WANTED TO REORIENT EVERYBODY REAL QUICK.
THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, UH, IS SW RIVER ROAD, UH, WITH THE PROPOSED WAREHOUSE BUILDING, UM, DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT AFTER A ROW OF PARKING, UM, FLANKED ON EITHER SIDE BY, UH, OFF STREET PARKING FOR THE EMPLOYEES, UH, WITH THE, UH, 79 TRAILER BAYS IN THE BACK, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING ROADWAY THAT LEADS UP TO THE, UH, UPPER TIERED, UH, TRAILER PARKING.
SO NOW I'LL SHOW THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING PLAN, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE, UM, YOU KNOW, TOWN CODE.
WE HAD, UH, WE HAVE TREE REMOVAL ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT THAT WE HAD TO, UH, MITIGATE AND, AND PROVIDE REPLACEMENT VALUE FOR.
UH, WE DID AN EYE TREE ANALYSIS AND, UM, BASED ON THE TREES THAT WE'RE REMOVING FOR THE PROJECT, UM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO MITIGATE, UH, FOR STORMWATER RUNOFF AVOIDANCE AS WELL AS CO2 AND CARBON, UH, UH, SEQUESTRATION.
UH, WE WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE, UH, ALMOST 60,000 GALLONS OF ANNUAL STORM WATER, UH, AVOIDANCE AND, UH, ALMOST 8,000 POUNDS OF CO2.
SO JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE A BASELINE, UH, THE PROPOSED PLAN BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, FOCUSES A LOT OF THE LANDSCAPING ON THE, UH, NORTH AND SOUTH SIDES, OR THE E THE LEFT AND RIGHT SIDES OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS FOCUSING, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE FRONT, WHICH I THINK JENNIFER ALREADY EXPLAINED, THAT WAS PRETTY ROBUST, UH, PLAN TO BEGIN WITH.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE THOUGHT THAT WE MADE A VERY GOOD FAITH EFFORT AT, AT PROVIDING SCREENING, UH, OR TO SOFTEN THE, THE PROPOSED FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
UH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM TOWN MEETINGS AS WELL AS MEETING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND UH, YOU KNOW, PROPOSED AN INCREASE IN SIZE OF THE PLANTINGS, UH, FOR THE DECIDUOUS SHADE TREES AS WELL AS THE EVERGREEN TREES.
UM, AND, UH, THAT CONSIST, CAN YOU JUST TO STOP, CAN YOU SHOW WHAT OTHER TREES BEING TAKEN OUT, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE 300 PLUS TREES HAS BEEN, UH, YES.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE MOSTLY FOCUSED IN, IN THE BOTTOM AREA WHERE THE, WHERE THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IS.
BUT OVERALL WHERE THE TREES ARE TAKEN DOWN OR, OR BEEN REMOVED, GIVE THE TREE REMOVAL PLAN REMOVAL PLAN.
YEAH, I HAVE TO JUST GO TO THAT WASN'T PART OF THE YEAH.
ONCE WE KNOW THAT, THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT'S PROPOSED.
SINCE YOU ARE, IT'S A LOT OF TREES YOU ARE TAKING NOW CUTTING OUT.
THERE'S A LOT OF TREES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING REPLACEMENT.
I'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE NUMBERS CORRECT, UH, RIGHT NOW, BUT, BUT TAKES IT 20 YEARS TO GET TO THAT HEIGHT OF THE TREES SO IT DOESN'T COME UNDERSTOOD RIGHT AWAY.
UM, SO HERE'S OUR, ESPECIALLY WE ARE TOWN OF GREENBURG, SO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT GREEN.
IT'S COVERING UP THE, UH, YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT BUT COULDN'T REALLY SEE IT.
YEAH, WE HAVE A, A TREE REMOVAL PLAN.
SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TREES UP ON THE, UH, THE TOP THAT'S ON THE PLAN, UH, TO TAKE OUT FOR THE, FOR THE UPPER TRAILER PARKING.
AND WE HAVE TREES THAT ARE AROUND THE PERIMETER ON THIS HILLSIDE WHERE WE'RE GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO THE TREES MARKED CROSS OUT THAT THE ONE THEY'RE TAKING OUT.
YEAH, THE ONES WITH THE XS THERE.
IT'S A LOT OF TREES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AREA, NOT NECESSARILY A PERIMETER, UH, YOU KNOW, BUFFER TREES.
SO MAJORITY OF THEM ARE UP ON THE, ON THE TOP OF THE HILL ADJACENT TO THE INTERSTATE STATE.
BUT YOU'RE TAKING DOWN THE TREES IN THE FRONT OF THE RIGHT.
EXISTING IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEMO DEMO.
WE ARE TAKING DOWN, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PROPOSED, UH, OFF STREET PARKING AND AND PROPOSED BUILDING ARE GOING.
UH, I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF TREES.
IT IS, UM, PARTICULARLY RIGHT ALONG THE NINE A, THEY DO HAVE A SIGN SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF OVERALL TREES COMING OUT.
I WILL SAY THAT THEY KEYED IN AND FOCUSED, UM, HEAVILY ON THEIR REPLANTING EFFORTS ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
AND I THINK THEY WANNA WALK THROUGH THAT, BUT, OKAY.
BUT, BUT MY, MY, MY QUESTION IS THAT, IS THAT HAVE YOU MADE ANY EFFORT OR, OR TO SAVE AS MANY TREES
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THAT YOU ARE, THAT YOU HAVE TO CUT DOWN THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TREES? 'CAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF TREES, YOU JUST PRACTICALLY DEFORESTING THE MOST OF THE SITE.JUST TO CHIME IN JUST FOR A QUICK SECOND FOR, FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE RECORD, DIEGO VI ALLEY WITH JMC.
SO I, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT, AARON, THAT HE JUST MADE THERE TOO.
'CAUSE WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT, WE ARE PROPOSING A WAREHOUSE, IT DOES REQUIRE RATHER LARGE AREAS OF, UH, LEVEL SPACES.
THE TREES THAT ARE BEING TAKEN DOWN ARE KIND OF SPORADIC THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S ALL OF THE TREES THAT ARE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING AREAS THERE ALONG THE, UH, DRIVEWAY ACCESS.
THERE IS A SMALL AREA TOWARDS THE TOP OF THE HILL.
BUT, BUT AS DISCUSSED AND WHAT WE REALLY HONED IN ON WAS THE REPLACEMENT PLANT.
UM, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG HAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT, UM, TREE ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REPLACEMENT AND CALCULATIONS THAT LOOKS INTO THE EXACT TYPE OF TREE THAT'S BEING TAKEN DOWN.
AND THEN THE PLANTING THAT'S REQUIRED TO MITIGATE THE REMOVAL OF THAT TREE.
SO THERE ARE VERY DETAILED CALCULATIONS THAT ARE IN THE TOWN'S ORDINANCE, THE NEW TOWN ORDINANCE THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
SO, UM, WE DID REALLY DID TAKE A LOOK AT THE REPLANTING PLAN AND FOCUSED IN ON THAT PORTION OF IT.
AND AGAIN, JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE IT'S NOT A DEFORESTATION BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A FORESTED AREA.
THIS IS A HEAVILY DEVELOPED PROPERTY.
UM, AND WE CAN GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TOO.
UH, FROM THE STORMWATER STANDPOINT, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF PAVED AREAS, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF BUILDINGS.
SO THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE BEING REPURPOSED.
WE ARE NOT EXTENDING INTO A LOT OF THOSE WOODED AREAS ON THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE, BUT I THINK, SO GENERALLY WE HAVE A LARGE DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT.
AARON, IN PAST WE WANTED TO, WE WANTED DO THE SITE VISIT AND YOU MARK UP THE TREES THAT YOU YEAH, OF COURSE.
WELL, AND WE'RE ALSO NOT THE LEAD AGENCY ON, ON THIS CASE.
REGARDLESS, WE COULD, THE TOWN DEPENDS ON US PARTICULARLY FOR, UH, THIS KIND OF LAND, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT WE USUALLY RECOMMEND ON IT ALSO.
SO IT'S A, WE HAVE DONE IT FOR OTHER, THE APPLICANT'S MORE THAN WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE YEAH.
I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT PARALLELS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE ARE SOME TREES ACROSS THE FRONTAGE OF THE SITE THAT ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN.
HOWEVER, IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR SIDEWALK OR CONCEPTUAL SIDEWALK PLAN, IF A SIDEWALK WERE TO RUN THE FULL LENGTH OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD INTRODUCE ADDITIONAL MATURE TREE REMOVALS, CORRECT? YES.
AND THERE WAS AN EFFORT TAKEN.
AGAIN, ANYWHERE WHERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE A TREE, MAKE A MODIFICATION TO A PARKING LOT, DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU TRY TO DO THAT.
BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE REDEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY, THERE ARE TREES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED.
AND AGAIN, WE, WE PROVIDED WHAT WE FEEL IS AN APPROPRIATE MITIGATION PLAN FOR THAT.
WHAT, BUT, BUT EVEN, EVEN WE HAVE MUCH SMALLER, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE WANTED TO SEE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND, AND, AND HOW, HOW CAN YOU MITIGATE THE, SOME OF THE IMPACT IF POSSIBLE.
SO WE HAVE DONE IT, UH, IN, UH, BUT YOU CAN SEE AGAIN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AGAIN.
FIRST AT THE TREE REMOVAL PLAN, IT DETAILS EVERY SINGLE TREE THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR CODE.
AND THEN THE PROPOSED LAND STATEMENT PLAN.
BUT IF YOU, YOU DON'T MIND, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ON SITE.
WOULD, UH, WOULD YOU BE AMEN TO, TO PLANTING A MIX OF MATURE TREES AND, AND YOUNGER TREES? WHEN YOU SAY MATURE TREE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOESN'T SURVIVE LIKE A LITTLE BIT OLDER LIKE WE'VE, AND AARON, YOU COULD TOUCH ON THIS.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IN CONNECTION WITH THE REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN IS RATHER THAN THE STANDARD OR MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF THE TOWN, WHICH IS FOREVER EVERGREENS FIVE FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH WOULD TAKE A NUMBER OF YEARS TO GROW INTO ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT AND ONE AND A HALF INCH C SIZE FOR SHADE AND FLOWERING TREES.
THEY'VE KIND OF STAGGERED THE HEIGHTS, UM, TO TRY AND GET A GREATER EFFECT WITH RESPECT TO SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING ON THE FRONT END OF THE PROJECT.
SO THEY'VE GONE GREATER THAN THE MINIMUMS IN A NUMBER OF INSTANCES, WHICH I THINK TOUCHES EXACTLY GREAT.
WHAT, UM, MR. PINE HAD SAID, I DID WANT TO, I HAD SOMETHING ELSE, OH, MAYBE NOT FOR TONIGHT, BUT WOULD THE TEAM BE ABLE TO, EVEN IF IT WAS AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MANY TREES OF THE TOTAL ARE BELIEVED TO FALL WITHIN, LIKE PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED TREES AS PART OF LANDSCAPING OF THE SITE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DEMOLISH VERSUS TREES THAT ARE NOW WITHIN NEW AREAS OF DISTURBANCE, IF YOU FOLLOW MY UNDERSTOOD.
AND ALSO THE TREE THAT ARE REMOVING,
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I MEAN, THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT SIZES AND TYPES, RIGHT? THEY ARE.SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF GET A SENSE OF WHAT IS 350 TREES REMOVED? YEAH, NO.
SO WE WOULD WANT TO SEE, AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE IT INTO SOME OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE A, THEY MARKED UP ALL THE TREES GONNA BE TAKEN DOWN AND TREES THAT GOING TO REMAIN, I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE ANY TREES ARE WILL BE REMAINED OR NOT? OH YEAH.
QUITE SO THAT, THAT, THAT WILL BE ON THE SITE IS QUITE WOODED, PARTICULARLY ON THE UPPER YEAH.
I THINK, AARON, THAT WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT AS TO KIND OF REALLY UNDERSTAND, WE CAN DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO AND I THINK IT'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME CONTEXT AND THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE YES.
SO I I WE'RE VERY, VERY CLOSE BY AND I THINK WE'D LIKE TO GO SEE IT, WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING DONE.
WHICH WE HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST.
AND, AND SO I I, I'D LOVE TO HEAR THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION.
AND THEN I KNOW WE ALSO HAVE JOHN CANNING ON THE LINE.
UM, SO, SO IF YOU MAY CONTINUE.
SO JUST TO GET, JUST TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE NUMBERS REAL QUICK.
AND THEN I'M SURE THERE'LL BE QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
OUR, UM, OUR ORIGINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AT THE END OF JULY TO YOU HAD, UM, ALMOST, UH, ABOUT SIX TIMES THE AMOUNT OF CARBON REMOVAL AND UH, ALSO SIX TIMES, ALMOST SIX TIMES THE AMOUNT OF, UH, STORM ORDER, UH, RUNOFF AVOIDANCE.
UH, WE, WE WENT BACK, WE INCREASED OUR, UH, AMOUNT AND SIZE OF DECIDUOUS TREES.
UM, ORIGINALLY ON OUR PLAN WE HAVE, UH, 61 DECIDUOUS ORIGINAL.
NOW WE HAVE 98 TOTAL, UM, 37 MORE.
WE HAVE THREE INCH TO THREE AND A HALF INCH CALIPER FOR ALL OF THOSE TREES.
SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AT PLANTING SIZE.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE EVERGREEN'S, UM, ORIGINALLY ONE FIFTY THREE, A HUNDRED NINETY THREE.
NOW WE ADDED 40 MORE, WE INCREASED THE SIZE FROM EIGHT AND A HALF, UH, OR FROM EIGHT TO 10 FOOT TO 12 TO 14 FOOT HIGH, WHICH IS A, A PRETTY BIG JUMP, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, NURSERY STOCK GOES.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING RIGHT NOW.
AND THE, UM, RIGHT NOW THOSE NUMBERS EQUATE TO SEVEN, OVER SEVEN POINT A HALF PERCENT FOR BOTH OF THE, UM, THE SEQUESTERING OF, UH, CO2 AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE STORMWATER RUNOFF.
SO IT WENT UP, UH, AT LEAST 1.5% OVER THE REQUIRED REPLACEMENT VALUE.
I DID NOTICE IN THE REVISED PLAN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RED MAPLE.
WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON THAT SPECIES AND I WANNA TO WORK WITH YOUR TEAM TO ABSOLUTELY DIVERSIFY THAT.
IS THEY HAVE DONE A STUDY OF THE TREES, WHICH ARE THE ONE WHICH ARE, UH, INVASIVE SPECIES.
THEY'VE DONE A FULL EYE TREE ANALYSIS, WHICH, UM, IS VERY HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING NOT ONLY THE CONDITION AND SPECIES, BUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS OF THE TREES BOTH BEING REMOVED, REMOVED, AND THEN ON THE BACK END.
SO HOW MANY OF THE, HOW MANY OF THE, UH, NO, BUT HOW MANY OF THE SPECIES THAT'S, DO YOU HAVE A COUNT OF INVASIVE SPECIES? HOW MANY INVASIVE SPECIES OF THE TOTAL OFFHAND OR SOMETHING
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UM, 17 TREE OF HEAVENS THAT WE'RE MOVING, UM, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE SPOTTER AND LANTERN FLY, BUT I DO NOT HAVE A THOSE ARE INVASIVE.
THERE ARE, YEAH, THERE ARE NORWAY MAPLES.
THERE'S PROBABLY A NUMBER OF NORWAY, UH, MAPLES AND CHERRIES, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SO THEY HAVE ARBERY'S TOO, KIND OF DID A WHOLE REVIEW OF, THEY DID, UH, THEY HAD A CONSULT, OR I'M SORRY, ARBERY'S, THEY HAD A PROFESSIONAL LOOK THROUGH, UM, THE TREES WERE SURVEYED.
AND, AND THAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR PACKET MM-HMM
SO WE'LL HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS FOR INVASIVE SPECIES, OBVIOUSLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
UM, THERE WILL BE NO NEW INVASIVE SPECIES.
PLANTED ONTO THE PROPERTY AND NO, NATIVE AND NATURALIZED.
NATIVE AND NATURALIZED SPECIES.
I WAS GOOD WITH THAT ON THE LANDSCAPE.
SO, SO LET'S HEAR FROM JOHN CANNING AND THEN I'M SURE THERE ARE QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
THEY DID HAVE A COUPLE OTHER, OH, SORRY.
JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON THE SIDEWALK QUICKLY.
I MEAN, JENNIFER REALLY COVERED A MAJORITY OF IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE, UH, WE NEED TO GET INTO, BUT I THINK WE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION THAT WAS BEING REQUESTED.
THERE WAS AN ANALYSIS LOOKED AT GOING SOUTH FROM OUR EXISTING DRIVEWAY WHERE WE WERE PROPOSING THE SIDEWALK AND CONNECTING IT ALONG THE BALANCE OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'S THE EXHIBIT THAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.
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HAD INDICATED, SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL TREE REMOVAL.UM, THERE'S NEW ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS AREAS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED AS THAT INCREASES THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE.
THERE ARE SOME GRADING CHALLENGES THAT ARE THERE.
YOU CAN CONSTRUCT SOMETHING, IT CAN BE BUILT, IT'S CAN BE BUILT ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
BUT WHAT WE TRIED TO OUTLINE WAS THE LIMITATIONS AND THE IMPACTS OF THAT CONSTRUCTION.
SO IT'S REALLY JUST WEIGHING THE BENEFITS AND THE POSITIVES ASSOCIATED WITH THE IMPACTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, SO A AGAIN, ALSO THE UTILIZATION OF THIS SIDEWALK EXTENDING TO THE SOUTH.
WHERE DOES IT GO? WHO DOES IT LEAD TO AND HOW DOES IT HELP CON WITH THE CONNECTIVITY QUESTION? SURE.
SO, AND, AND YEAH, IT WAS CLEAR TO THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SENSE WAS THAT THERE WERE SOME ENGINEERING CHALLENGES FROM CONSTRUCTING THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, SOUTH.
UM, WAS THE SENSE THAT THERE WOULD BE SIMILAR ENGINEERING CHALLENGES GOING NORTH, CONNECTING TO WALL STREET? IT IS.
AND THOSE WERE QUANTIFIED AS WELL.
YOU HAVE SIMILAR THINGS, UM, MOST NOTABLY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN A SMALL RETAINING WALL WOULD BE NEEDED, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT DOT DOESN'T ALLOW WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH USE AND OCCUPANCY PERMITS.
WE'VE RUN INTO ROADBLOCKS WITH THAT.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE TIED TO IT.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF RIGHT OF WAY ROOM BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE.
AGAIN, ANYTHING CAN BE CONSTRUCTED, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY AND THERE'S ENOUGH TIME AND ENERGY PUT INTO IT.
THERE'S A WAY TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT.
IT'S JUST THE AMOUNT OF WORK ASSOCIATED WITH THE SIDEWALK AS WELL AS WHAT WE FEEL IS GONNA BE THE PRACTICAL USE OF IT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO.
UH, AGAIN, THEY'RE WILLING TO MAKE A FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTION.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS IT TO DO A PORTION OF IT TO DO WALK ALONG THEIR FRONTAGE, BUT WHEN IT STARTS EXTENDING BEYOND THEIR PROPERTY, THAT'S WHEN IT STARTS TO GET MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTROL.
SO HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING BEYOND YOUR PROPERTY, I SAW PRETTY MUCH IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
EVERYTHING THAT'S CURRENTLY PROPOSED ON THE PLAN IS ON OUR PROPERTY OR IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY.
WHAT WAS BEING ASKED TO BE EVALUATED WAS FROM THE NORTHERN SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY TO LAWRENCE STREET.
WHICH IS ABOUT ANOTHER THOUSAND, 1200 FEET OR SO, SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT LINE.
AND, AND AARON, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR A, A PROJECT OF THIS SIDE, UH, SIZE, WOULD YOU THINK, IS IT TYPICALLY STANDARD FOR, UH, AN APPLICANT TO CONSIDER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS? UH, OUTSIDE OF THEIR, THEIR SITE? IT HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN THERE BEFORE THERE, THERE ARE SOME OTHER PROJECTS.
WE HAD A RECENT PROJECT, UH, BRIGHTVIEW METROPOLIS WHO HAD AGREED, UH, TO INSTALL A SIDEWALK FROM ITS FRONTAGE UP TO THE INTERSECTION, HUNDRED BURY ROAD AND, UH, WEST HARTSDALE NORWOOD ROAD INTERSECTION.
SO YEAH, THERE WAS MORE THAN BEEN IN THE PAST.
THERE WAS MORE THAN A THOUSAND FEET THAT THEY DID.
AND, AND, AND AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ISN'T THERE AN EXPECTATION THAT AS PART OF DEVELOPMENT SIDEWALKS ARE BUILT? CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY PARTICULARLY IN PRIORITY SIDEWALK LOCATIONS AS IDENTIFIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH NINE A IS IDENTIFIED AS A PRIORITY AND, AND AGAIN, NOBODY, WE'RE NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT STATEMENT.
WE'RE NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SIDEWALKS.
IT'S JUST THE PROPORTION OF CHAIR ASSOCIATED WITH OUR PROJECT, THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND THEN THE FEASIBLE LOCATION ON WHERE IT CAN BEED.
DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, UH, OFFHAND THE, THE FOOTAGE, UH, IF THERE WERE A SIDEWALK, UH, ALONG YOUR ENTIRE PROPERTY AND THE FOOTAGE OF, UH, A SIDEWALK IF IT WERE BUILT FROM THE SOUTH DRIVE OR THE, THE NORTH DRIVEWAY NORTH, THE LAUREN STREET? NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE'LL CALCULATE IT FOR YOU.
JUST GIVE US A FEW WHILE YOU'RE HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS AND WE CAN CERTAINLY A QUICKBOOK IT SEEMS. SO YOU HAVE THE NUMBER COMPARABLE.
OH, I DIDN'T KNOW I TOOK A QUICKBOOK.
I I THINK IT'S AROUND 1200 NORTH.
IT'S A COMPARABLE, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME COMPAR THOUSAND.
ALSO, ONE THING I HAD, AND I YOU HAVE READ THIS, UH, LETTER FROM, UH, UH, COUNTY, UM, WESTCHESTER COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND THEY, IN THEIR COMMENTS SAY THAT, UH, UH, CONSIDERING THAT THERE IS A GOING TO BE, UH, THE, THE SHOPPING AREAS ON THE OPS VARIOUS FERRY SIDE, WHICH, AND THEN THE, UH, UH, CONNECTIVITY FROM YOUR, I DUNNO, MAYBE 203 EMPLOYEES, THEY PROBABLY WERE WALKING OVER NOT JUST FOR COMING FROM THAT BUS, BUT FOR OTHER SERVICES AND UH, UH, AND OTHER NEEDS FOR THEIR, WHILE THEY'RE THERE.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE JUST, UH, UH, JUST FOR, THEY'RE COMING OFF OF THE, UH, BUT YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S GONNA BE MOST OF THEM COMING BY CAR, BUT THEN THEY ALSO USE IT FOR, UH, GOING FOR LUNCH, GOING FOR TAKING SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE ALL THE SHOPPING AND OTHER STUFF IS IN
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THAT SHOPPING AREAS ON OTHER SIDE OF THINGS.SO, SO IT IS, IT'S A KIND OF LARGER VIEW THAT WE TRY TO TAKE IT SO RIGHT.
IT'S SHOULD NOT BE UNSAFE AND, UH, TOWN HAS A LOT OF ACCIDENTS WITH THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
A A AGAIN, I, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH THERE, SO PLEASE TRY.
THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT SIDEWALKS.
THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO INSTALL SIDEWALKS IN APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY THINK THEY COULD, WILL BE UTILIZED.
UM, I CAN'T AGREE WITH ALL THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SAYING BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE AND THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, I DON'T THINK THAT IS ACCURATE, UM, WITH THAT STATEMENT THERE.
BUT IT'S, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD USE AND GO ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK THAT IS ALL, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED.
AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO PUT ITS FAIR SHARE TOWARDS SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
IT'S JUST UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS.
AND I THINK THE AT LEAST FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF THE MEMBERS ARE, WE'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER IF IT WOULD GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAN JUST A FAIR SHARE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY WE'LL TALK ABOUT.
WE'LL CONSIDER, WE TRY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION.
I'M SURE, UH, JOHN CANNING WILL HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THIS AS WELL.
UH, SO PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO TURN IT OVER AND LET'S ABSOLUTELY.
SO THAT, THAT'S A GREAT SEGUE.
LET'S, UH, LET'S HEAR FROM JOHN CANNING.
UM, LET ME PULL MY STUFF TOGETHER HERE BECAUSE I WAS MISSING AND LOOKING AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, I'M GONNA START WITH THE ALS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT 'EM.
UM, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT I HAVE GREAT ADMIRATION FOR DIEGO AND HIS TEAM.
IT'S LIKE THEY'RE EXCELLENT ENGINEERS.
UH, I, I HONESTLY THINK THEY CAN DO BETTER.
UM, I, I THINK THEY PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER.
UM, THEY DID RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S, UM, THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SEEMS SLOPE DISTURBANCE OR SLOPE DISTURBANCE AND TREE LOSS.
BUT I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY PUT A BETTER PLAN TOGETHER, KEEP THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY CLOSER TO THE STREET AT MORE LOCATIONS.
IT WON'T BE A STRAIGHT SIDEWALK.
IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, MORE DIFFICULT TO BUILD, BUT IT WOULD DISTURB LESS STEEP SLOPES AND IT WILL, UH, REQUIRE LESS REMOVAL OF TREES.
UM, THEY HAVE ALSO PROVIDED A PLAN FOR, UH, TO THE NORTH FROM THE SITE.
UH, AND I THINK THEY CAN DO BETTER ON THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
BUT I WOULD OFFER THIS THOUGHT, UH, THAT THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A FAIR SHARE CALLED CONFU TO SIDEWALKS.
IT MAY BE REASONABLE TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT IF THEY PUT ALL OF THE SIDEWALKS IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY WHERE THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER IT, THAT WOULD BE THEIR FAIR SHARE.
AND IF THEY SAW, THEY COULD TWEAK THE, THE CONCEPT THAT THEY HAVE FOR NORTH OF THEIR SITE THAT WOULD BE THEIR FAIR SHARE FOR NORTH OF THE SITE SO THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUILD IT, THEY WOULDN'T WENT TO THE EFFORT OF FIGURING OUT WHERE IT WOULD GO AND HOW IT COULD BE CONSTRUCTED.
SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF MY TAKE ON THE SIDEWALKS.
IT IT IS BASICALLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT EVERY TIME AN APPLICANT COMES IN ON A, ON A ROAD THAT OR SIDEWALK IS NEEDED IN, THAT'S THE TOWN'S OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK BUILD AT LEAST.
BECAUSE IF YOU ARE NOT MAKING THIS NOT BEFORE YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING TO DO IT.
AND JUST LIKE DIEGO SAID, IF THEY'RE, YOU'RE ASKING TO BUILD FRONT OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER THAT.
SO, SO IN SUMMARY, FROM A SIDEWALK PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THEY CAN PROBABLY COME UP WITH A CHEAPER, LESS DISTURBANCE PLAN FROM THE SITE AND BE ABLE TO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I, I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THIS TEAM AND I THINK THAT IF THEY BUILT THAT, THAT WOULD BE A, A, A, A MAJOR CONTRIBUTION ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AND IF THEY TOOK A SECOND QUICK LOOK AT TO THE NORTH FROM THE SIDE AND SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH THEIR BEST PLAN FOR THAT, THAT WOULD BE MOVING THAT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES ALONG, YOU'LL HAVE AT LEAST A CONCEPT PLAN TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE OFF THE SIDEWALKS, I WANTED TO SEE IF THE BOARD HAD ANY THOUGHTS IN THAT REGARD.
UH, WHAT ABOUT THE CROSSWALKS? OH, I DID HAVE, UH, ONE COMMENT IF THEY BUILD A CROSSWALK, THEY DID SHOW A CONCEPT CROSSWALK WHERE, UH, AT THE SOUTH END WHERE THEY WERE BUILDING THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THE DRIVEWAY AT THE SOUTH END IS HUGE.
IT'S SUPER LONG 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TRUCKS MAKING A RIGHT TURN.
IT'S A NARROW ROAD AND THESE LONG TRACTOR TRAILERS DRAGGED THE TAIL END OF THE TRUCK BEHIND THEM.
SO I HAD RECOMMENDED WILL COMMENT THAT I WAS GOING TO INCLUDE THAT IF THEY GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS, THEY SEE HOW FAR ON THE S DRIVEWAY, THEY SEE HOW FAR UP THEY CAN PUSH THE CROSSWALK.
SO THAT STILL MEET A DA REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT'LL BE SHORTER IF THEY PUSH IT
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UP THE DRIVEWAY THE FIFTH, THERE'S A LIMIT TO HOW FAR THEY CAN GO.UH, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE GIVEN IT AS, UM, THOROUGH AN EXAMINATION AT THIS POINT.
AND, AND THEN THERE WOULD ALSO BE A CROSSWALK ACROSS NINE A, IS THAT CORRECT? TO THE BUS STOP? THERE IS A, THERE IS A CROSSWALK PROPOSED ALREADY ACROSS NINE A, SO I WAS NOT LOOKING AT THAT.
BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PROPOSED.
SO WHERE IT'S, IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE LOFT OR IT'S, THERE IS A BUS STOP ON THAT SIDE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THERE, THERE IS A SIDE CROSSWALK, UM, WITH APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE AND, AND AREA OF REFUGE IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
THERE'S ALL SORTS OF, I TOOK YOU ON THE SHARE SCREEN FOR JOHN.
IT'S, THERE IS A CROSSWALK PROPOSED, SO ITS ONE CROSSWALK, UH, CORRECT ON THE CURRENT PLANS THAT ONE CROSSWALK ACROSS JUST NOT THE PEDESTRIAN PLAN THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING.
JOHN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE OR? I, I DID.
SO, UM, I, I'LL QUICKLY GO DOWN THROUGH THE REST OF 'EM.
WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SIGNAL AHEAD SIGN THE APPLICANT'S WILLING TO DO IT.
I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT NOTE BE ADDED TO THE SITE SIGN SO IT DOESN'T GET FORGOTTEN.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO MAKE A FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTION TO CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS ON WESTBOUND LAWRENCE STREET AS IT APPROACHES THE SAW MILL RIVER PARKWAY.
AND MY SUGGESTION IS THAT THE BOARD DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL WHAT THE APPROPRIATE MECHANISM FOR THAT MIGHT BE.
UM, DID, SORRY, JOHN, DID YOU, DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON HOW TO QUANTIFY THE FAIR SHARE? SO I HAVE DONE SOME WORK LIKE THIS AND SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE FIRST OF ALL IDENTIFIED WHAT THE IMPROVEMENT IS.
THEN WE HAVE PUT A, AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE COST ON IT, AND THEN WE LOOK AT WHO'S GOING TO BE ADDING TRAFFIC TO IT.
SO IF THERE'S 10 DEVELOPERS AND EACH OF THEM IS ADDING 10 TRIPS, EACH DEVELOPER WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 10% OF THE COST OF THE IMPROVEMENT.
THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE AT OTHER LOCATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, THE, THE DEVELOPER HAS ENTERED INTO A DEVELOPER'S INTO THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN IN THAT INSTANCE, AND THEY BASICALLY PAY MONEY TO THE TOWN AND THE TOWN HOLDS IT AND GETS DONE WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
THE MONEY WAS SENT ONLY ON THAT.
AND IF IT DOES NOT GET DONE, IT GETS RETURN TO WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME.
YEAH, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT'S THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH HOW WE'VE HANDLED IT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AS WELL.
AND I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH AMANDA OFFLINE ABOUT THE DETAILS AND JENNIFER, DON'T GET DON'T, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.
THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF, UH, VIRTUAL TV.
YOU SAID YOU HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY.
CAN YOU TELL US WHY IT'S SO GREAT? UM, SURE.
I MEAN THE CA SO WE SPOKE WITH, UH, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, THE PARKS OFFICE THAT, THAT DOES OCCUPY THAT SITE.
UM, UH, THAT WAS ARRANGED THROUGH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UM, THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE, THE PARKS OFFICE HAD NO CONCERNS, UH, ABOUT OUR, UM, OUR PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, EXCEPT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ACCESS, UH, BECAUSE OUR NORTHERN DRIVEWAY IS THEIR ACCESS TO THE SITE.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR THAT STAGE OF, OF THE PROJECT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT ACCESS, UH, TO THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY IS ALWAYS MAINTAINED.
UM, I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA GUESS I'M THREE QUARTER WAY THROUGH MY COMMENTS.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SOME SIGNAGE CHANGES TO BETTER DIRECT, UH, TRAFFIC THAT'S HEADED NORTH ON NINE EIGHT, GO TO THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY, WHICH ISN'T EXACTLY INTUITIVE.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THEY, UH, WILL IN COURT AND INCORPORATE TRUCK ROUTING ACCESS RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THE LEASE AGREEMENTS.
JENNIFER, JENNIFER, UH, MS. RAY, I DISCUSSED THAT WITH YOU.
I THINK IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO ME.
IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA, BUT I'M NOT A LAWYER, SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOUR COUNSEL TO, YOU KNOW, REVIEW HOW THAT COULD BE DONE, SEE IF THAT'S OKAY.
UM, THEY'VE ALSO INDICATED THAT AS PART OF THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THEY WOULD, UH, BEFORE, UH, CONSTRUCTION, I GUESS GO BACK AND PROPER AT THE HIGH QUEUE, THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE A HIGH Q WAREHOUSE OR LAST MILE WAREHOUSE.
AND ALSO, UH, TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE OF EMPLOYEES WALKING UP TO THE UPPER PARKING LOT, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WOULD, THERE WOULD BE MANY PEDESTRIANS THROUGHOUT WALKING FROM THE BUILDING UP THE TRUCKS.
UH, THEY HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PLAN.
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ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN WOULD BE THAT THE TRUCKING ACTIVITY BE LIMITED TO THE SAME RESTRICTIONS THAT THE FINAL CONDITION WOULD HAVE.UH, THAT THAT IS PRIMARILY THAT THEY WOULD HAVE ADEQUATE SIDELINES, THAT THE DRIVEWAY THAT THEY WERE USING AND THAT NO TRUCKS LARGER THAN 55 FEET WOULD BE PERMITTED TO TRAVEL NORTH OF THE THROUGHWAY EXIT ON ROUTE NINE A.
SO THEY'RE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO ADOPT THE FINAL CONDITION.
BUT WHEN YOU ENTER, BUILD CONTRACT WITH THE CONS WITH THE CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, UM, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND SUBCONTRACTORS, I WOULD LIKE THAT THE OWNER REQUIRE THEM TO COME ON 87.
AND IF THEY HAVE TO GO, UM, IF THE, IF THE OVERSIZED VEHICLES, IF THERE ARE, WE HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE.
IT'S NOT NORTH OF NINE A UP TO BURG WHERE THEY COULD R, C OR M CLOSE ALL SORTS OF MAYHEM.
UM, JOHN, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE TRUCK.
PARTICULARLY 18 WHEELERS OF WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE SUGGESTING THAT THE, UM, SOUTHBOUND TRUCKS, UH, COMING AND GOING WOULD USE A TAHOE ROAD EXIT FROM 87 TAHOE ROAD.
UH, SO, AND, AND IF I WAS A TRUCK DRIVER AND I WANT TO GO SOUTH ON 87, UH, I WOULD COME OUT AT THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY.
I WOULD MAKE A RIGHT TURN, ONE RIGHT TURN, I'D GO UP TO EXIT SEVEN BY THE GAS STATION IN LEY, MAKE ONE RIGHT TURN, AND I'M ON I 87.
I WOULD NOT MAKE A LEFT BECAUSE I WAS A TRUCK DRIVER, DRIVE DOWN NINE A TO THAT HORRIBLE INTERSECTION, PARDON ME, YONKERS OF SUN RIVER ROAD, THE HOE ROAD, AND THEN GO THROUGH ALL THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS ON HOE ROAD BEFORE I GET TO 87.
I JUST THINK IT'S EASIER TO GO SOUTH THAN 87 TO MAKE A RIGHT OUT, GO MAYBE HALF A MILE UP THE ROAD AND MAKE ANOTHER RIDE.
SO HOW DO THEY MAKE THE NORTH 87 NORTH? WHERE WOULD THEY GO NOW, NOW THAT'S THE ISSUE.
87 NORTH, THEY HAVE TO COME AND GO FROM THE
UH, BUT DON'T YOU THINK THEY MIGHT GO TOWARDS THE, UH, 1, 1 9? YES.
AND G GET ONTO THE 2 87, RIGHT? 2 87.
SO THEY WILL GO THROUGH TOWN THAT I LIVE LEY, AND THEN THEY WILL GO TO THE HANSFORD AND THEN, UH, THEY WILL GO THROUGH 1 1 9 CROSSOVER AND THEN GET ONTO THE 2 87 AND THEN GO TO EITHER, UH, UH, EITHER TOWARDS THE ROCKLAND, ACROSS THE RIVER OR GO TOWARDS THE THINGS.
SO WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON, ON THE LOCAL ROADS? AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS YES.
IN ALEY, AT LEAST TWO, TWO THINGS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE WEST ACROSS THE TAB, SEA BRIDGE AND ATTRACT, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME START, LET ME BACK UP.
THE FIRST THING IS, UH, TRACTOR TRAILERS OVER, I DON'T KNOW, 55 FEET DOWN ARE NOT ALLOWED ON 9 8 9 BETWEEN, UM, I'M GONNA SAY WORTHINGTON ROAD, WHICH IS SOUTH OF, UM, WHICH IS SOUTH OF ELLENSBURG, AND I'M GOING SAY HEATHER DELL ROAD.
THE LEGISLATION IS THAT, UH, THESE LARGEST, THE LARGEST TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE PERMITTED TO GROW WITHIN ONE MILE OF AN EXIT OF AN INTERSTATE FACILITY.
AND IF YOU GO ONE MILE FROM EXIT SEVEN, YOU'LL END UP AROUND HEATHERDALE ROAD.
AND IF YOU GO ONE MILE FROM 2 87, YOU'LL END UP DOWN AROUND WORTHINGTON ROAD.
AND SO IN THEORY, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO ALL THE WAY FROM ONE 19 TO RV AVENUE, ASHFORD AVENUE.
IN FACT, OF COURSE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED TO DO IT.
AND FRANKLY, IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WANTED TO TICKET THEM, I GUESS THEY PROBABLY COULD.
I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT RULE IN FORCE MUCH, IF AT ALL.
NUMBER TWO, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM THE EAST ON 2 87, IT'S NOT HORRIBLE.
YOU MAKE A LEFT, YOU GET OFF INTO TOWN STORE, YOU MAKE A LEFT TURN FROM 2 87 ONTO NINE A, AND THEN YOU BASICALLY GO STRAIGHT DOWN NINE A TO THE SITE.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT.
I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE RECOMMENDED TO DO IT.
IF YOU'RE COMING ACROSS THE TOP OF THE BRIDGE AND YOU WANT TO GET HERE AND YOU GET OFF AT EITHER EXIT NINE IN TAR TOWN OR EXIT,
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I GUESS IT'S TWO EXIT 1, 1 2, I DON'T KNOW.IT'S TWO, I GUESS TWO EXIT IN ELLENSBURG.
IF YOU GET OFF IN BURG, THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL YOU'RE MAKING THAT TURN FROM NINE A TO ONE 19 AND TRACTOR TRAILER JUST NOT DOING IT.
UM, IF, AND, AND THE DRIVER'S GONNA GET THERE AND SAY, YEP, I'M GONNA KEEP GOING.
IF YOU GET OFF OF PAR TOWN, YOU CAN, UH, MAKE AN EXIT.
YOU CAN GO DOWN ROUTE NINE, YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE THE TURN.
UM, YOU COULD PROBABLY MAKE A TURN ON TO ASHFORD AVENUE.
AGAIN, YOU'RE MORE THAN A MILE TO THE INTERSTATE, SO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
AND THEN YOU WOULD GO ACROSS AND, AND I THINK YOU'D HAVE A HARD TIME MAKING THE TURN FROM ASHFORD AVENUE ONTO NINE A IN THE CENTER OF R.
SO HOW THEY GOING TO, YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND.
I MEAN, I DID A LITTLE BIT OF TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, SO I UNDERSTAND.
SO HOW THEY GOING TO, UH, OPERATE THIS FACILITY? SO WHAT, SO YOU MAY ASK, UH, UH, ATTORNEY GRAYS THERE, SHE SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE RESTRICTIONS IN THEIR LEASES THAT SAY THEY HAVE TO REQUIRE THEIR TENANTS TO REQUIRE THEIR DRIVERS NOT TO TAKE PROHIBITED TRUCKS OF NINE A BEYOND EXIT SEVEN OF I, UM, I 87, IS THAT CORRECT? CODY GRAY? YES.
TRAFFIC ENGINEER, CANNING
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO, HOW ARE YOU GONNA ENFORCE IT THOUGH? SAY YES, BUT I MEAN, CAN WE, CAN YOU ENFORCE IT? SURE.
SO YES, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE SITTING, STANDING THERE AND TELLING ALL THESE DRIVERS 18 WHEELERS TO NOT TO MAKE TURN.
SO MS. FACEBOOK, PREVIOUSLY THAT THERE WAS A COUPLE MECHANISM FOR ENFORCEMENT.
ONE WOULD BE OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL OR ACTUALLY SHOULD SAY THE TOWN BOARDS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL REGARDING THE TRUCK ROUTES THAT ARE SPECIFIED IN THE PLANS.
UM, SECOND WOULD BE THE RESTRICTIONS IN THE LEASES BETWEEN THE, UM, UH, LANDLORD AND TENANT.
AND THIRD WOULD BE ANY CONTRACTS WITH THOSE TRUCKERS.
IS THE INTENTION, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, IS THE INTENTION TO ALSO HAVE SIGNAGE WITHIN THE SITE YES.
FACING, EXITING DRIVERS TO DIRECT THEM TO MAKE, LET'S SAY, A LEFT OUT OF THE SITE TO GO SOUTHBOUND TO TUCKAHOE ROAD? ABSOLUTELY.
I'M JUST WONDERING, SIGNAGE, WHAT OTHER MEASURES? YEAH, IN SIGNAGE INTERIOR TO THE SITE, UM, IS, IS ABSOLUTELY PART OF THE OPERATIONAL, YOU KNOW, MEASURES.
UM, IT'S SITE PLANNING MEASURES.
THE SIGN IS FROM NORTH AND SOUTH ON NINE EIGHT.
IT'S NOT TELLING THEM HOW TO GET TO 2 87 OR EIGHT SEVEN, THAT RIGHT.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A MAP ON THE SIGNS.
UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE, THERE'S A NUMBER, AS WE SPOKE BEFORE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF LAYERS OF MECHANISMS AND NOTICE PROVISIONS THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRIVERS UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE TO GO AND WHERE THEY'RE NOT TO GO.
IN ADDITION, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT ANY APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD ON THE SITE PLAN WOULD INCLUDE AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, VERY SPECIFIC, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT TRUCK DRIVERS MUST USE THESE DESIGNATED ROUTES.
UM, AND ANY VIOLATION THAT OF THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF, OF THE, THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL AND WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE BY THE TOWN.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AS WE MENTIONED, IT WOULD ALSO BE PRIVATELY ENFORCEABLE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, UM, IT CAN BE ENFORCEABLE THROUGH, UH, UH, THROUGH THE LEASES, THROUGH CONTRACTS WITH THE TRUCKING COMPANIES.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE LAYERS OF, OF PROTECTION THAT, THAT WE'VE TRIED TO PROVIDE HERE.
BUT AMANDA, DO WE HEARD JURISDICTION ON THE VILLAGE OF LEY AND NO, WE DON'T.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT THEY COULD CONSIDER PUTTING IN NO, THROUGH TRAFFIC OR, UM, THEIR OWN INTERNAL SIGNAGE FOR ENFORCEMENT BY THE VILLAGES.
AND DO WE HAVE TALKED TO TOWN OF THE VILLAGE? SO, I MEAN, THE VILLAGE HAS ATTENDED THE TOWN BOARD WORK SESSIONS WHERE THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AS THE TOWN BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY, AND, AND THE TOWN HAS FORWARDED THE APPLICATION SUBMITTALS TO THE VILLAGES, INCLUDING ARDSLEY, DOBS, FERRY, HASTINGS, AND UH, UH, POSSIBLY EVEN ELMSFORD.
AND I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, WE'VE MET.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE PROACTIVELY, UH, REACHED OUT TO EACH OF THOSE VILLAGES.
WE'VE, UH, MET WITH THE VILLAGE OF HASTINGS, UM, UH, MAYOR AND, AND AND ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, WE'VE MET WITH THE VILLAGE OF ARDSLEY, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, THE FULL BOARD OF TRUSTEES AT A PUBLIC MEETING AND MADE A PRESENTATION.
UH, THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, WE'VE PROVIDED THEM WITH, WITH, WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECT.
WE'VE ALSO OFFERED TO THE VILLAGE OF DOBBS FERRY TO HAVE A SIMILAR MEETING.
UM, WE WERE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH THEM AT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AT THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO RESCHEDULE THAT.
SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF RESCHEDULING THAT MEETING WITH DOBBS FERRY.
SO, UM, WE'VE ALSO BEEN VERY PROACTIVE IN, IN MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE
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AWARE OF THE PROJECT AND, AND WE'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE TO ANY OF THEIR COMMENTS.JOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? I I DO ON THIS, ON THIS ISSUE.
SO FOR THE MOMENT, RIGHT, LET'S ASSUME THE PROJECT IS APPROVED AND FILLED AND THERE ARE COMPLAINTS FROM SOMEBODY THAT THERE'S BEEN A BIG INCREASE, A MASSIVE INCREASE, SOME INCREASE IN LARGE TRUCKS ON NINE A NORTH OF X ET.
SO I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT JUST LET'S SAY IT DID HAPPEN IN THEORY, THE TOWN COULD PUT A CAMERA AT BOTH DRIVEWAYS TO THE FACILITY, PUT A CAMERA, ANOTHER CAMERA AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE EXIT RAMP FROM, UH, 87 TO NINE A JUST NORTH OF THE SITE.
AND THAT COULD RECORD DATA FOR ONE DAY OR A WEEK OR WHATEVER.
AND YOU CAN REVIEW THE DATA AND YOU WOULD SEE THE TRUCKS THAT COME TURN LEFT, TURN RIGHT OUT OF THE SITE OR TURN LEFT INTO THE SITE.
AND YOU COULD COMPARE THEM ON THE TIMESTAMP WITH THE TRUCKS THAT GO PAST EXIT SEVEN.
IT'S, THERE'S, IT, IT IS DOABLE, RIGHT? AND SO YOU COULD SAY, YES, TODAY THIS DAY THERE WERE SIX TRUCKS THAT DID IT, AND THE SECOND DAY THERE WERE SEVEN TRUCKS THAT DID IT.
OR YOU COULD SAY THERE WERE NO TRUCKS THAT DID IT.
SO YOU CAN IDENTIFY HOW BIG THIS ISSUE IS OR IS NOT.
AND THEN THE SECOND PART IS IF YOU IDENTIFY THAT IT, IT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING, WHAT SORT OF ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM DO YOU HAVE? WHICH IS MAYBE THAT'S THE HARDER THING TO DO.
AND SOMETHING WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST IS, IS A CONDITION THAT IF THERE'S A CONCERN FOR A CERTAIN TYPE OF TRAFFIC IMPACT POTENTIALLY, UM, IS TO HAVE THEM COME BACK TO BUT AFTER PERIOD PROBLEM SOLVE RIGHT AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME.
SOMETHING WE DID WITH, I BELIEVE CHICK-FIL-A RECENTLY.
AND JOHN, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT SIGNAGE EARLIER AND THAT IT'S SORT OF LIMITED IN TERMS OF ITS LANGUAGE AS IT'S SHOWN ON THE PLAN TODAY.
IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO MAYBE HAVING, UM, SIGNAGE THAT DIRECTS TRUCK, LIKE TRUCK ROUTE SOUTHBOUND, YOU KNOW, TO OR TO NORTHBOUND I 87 MAKE A LEFT OR, SO IF, IF THERE IS BENEFIT, WE WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO LOOK INTO THAT.
THE, MY FOLLOW UP TO THAT WAS IF MAYBE THERE WASN'T, IS IT JUST AS SIMPLE AS THEY'RE PLUGGING SOMETHING INTO THEIR GPS AND IF IT TELLS THEM TO MAKE A RIGHT, THEY'RE MAKING A RIGHT WHETHER THERE'S A SIGN OR NOT.
SO, SO AARON, THAT'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT.
I, I THINK AND FORWARD, CORRECT ME IF YOU ARE WRONG, IF I'M WRONG, THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT VEHICLES TRAVELING TO AND FROM THE SOUTH ON I 87 WOULD GET OFF AT EXIT SEVEN, WHICH IS JUST UP THE STREET.
IT'S ON THIS SIDE OF OUR STREET.
AND IF THEY'RE GETTING OFF, THEY MAKE A LEFT, THEY DOWN FOR HALF A MILE MAIN, AND IF THEY'RE GETTING ON, THEY GO UP FOR HALF A MILE, MAKE A RIGHT.
ARE WE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT
UM, WE, WE ARE A LONG WAY ALONG THE PROCESS.
UH, SO MY ASSUMPTION WAS YOU, YOU GUYS KNEW THAT THERE WERE GONNA BE TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING IN AND OUTTA HERE AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION SIX MONTHS AGO IF THAT WASN'T THE CASE.
SO I, I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S AN ISSUE IF THESE LARGER TRUCKS GO CONTINUE ON NINE A 'CAUSE IT'S NOT DESIGNED.
AND THERE, BY THE WAY, THESE LARGER TRUCKS ARE ENTITLED TO USE NINE A BETWEEN EXIT SEVEN.
AND THEY, THE APPLICANT RECENTLY GOT THE DOT TO DESIGNATE THIS PORTION OF NINE A AS A SUITABLE HIGHWAY BECAUSE YOU MAY KNOW THAT GOING SOUTH FROM HERE IS MORE THAN A MILE TO GET TO 87.
SO WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT IS ASSUMING WE'RE OKAY WITH TO AND FROM THE SOUTH, IT'S TO AND FROM THE NORTH THAT, THAT ARE THE ISSUE.
AND IT, I DID THE FIRST ONE FIRST, THE EASY ONE FIRST, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH.
TO GET TO THE NORTH IN A LARGE TRUCK, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET OUT OR THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET OUT IS AT THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY BECAUSE, UH, UH, AN OVERSIZED TRACTOR TRAILER THAT MAKES A RIGHT TURN AT THE NORTH DRIVEWAY, THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM FOR THEM TO DO THAT WITHOUT GOING INTO THE OPPOSING LANE AND DRAGGING THE BACK END OF THE TRUCK ALL OVER THE GRASS TREES AND WHATEVER'S AT THE CORNER.
SO IF YOU WERE TO PUT A SIGN AT THE SOUTH DRIVEWAY THAT SAID TO UH, I 87 NORTH SLASH 2 87 WITH AN ARROW TO THE LEFT, THAT WOULD TELL ALL OF THOSE MOTORISTS THAT MIGHT WANT TO GO UP
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NINE A THAT THEY SHOULD GO THERE.UM, TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE, FROM THE NORTH, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO.
THEY MAKE THEIR DECISION MILES AWAY AND BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE SITE, YOU JUST GOTTA LET THEM IN.
BUT IT ALSO, IT'S ONLY A SINGLE LANE ROAD.
AND, AND I HAVE SEEN IT, IF, IF SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN, EVEN THE CAR, IT JUST, THE BACKS UP THE TRAFFIC FOR ALL THE WAY TO OUR SLAVE VILLAGE.
I WAS ON 2 87 YESTERDAY MORNING.
I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN SOMETHING BREAKS DOWN
UM, BUT THAT'S, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF NOT THE WAY WE DO THINGS.
I MEAN, WE, WE, UH, STUDY WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.
AND IF ONCE A YEAR, IF A TRUCK BREAKS DOWN, EVEN IF THERE WAS A CAR FIRE, IF SOMEBODY WAS DRIVING THEIR OWN PERSONAL CAR AND IT WENT ON FIRE, WHICH OCCASIONALLY HAPPENS ON TWO LANE, NINE, EIGHT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CLOSED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I'VE GOT A LOT OF OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE.
NO, I THINK THE APPLICANT WAS GONNA GO THROUGH STONE.
I HAVE A FEELING THOSE QUESTIONS TOWARDS THAT AS WELL.
WELL JUST, SO WHAT'S BEEN DESIGNED, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE, IF ANYTHING'S BEEN, DO YOU KNOW ANY BACK AND FORTH WITH EITHER THE STATE OR THE TOWN ENGINEER TO THIS POINT? I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
YEAH, I THINK JUST TO REHASH AGAIN, WE GAVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION LAST TIME DURING THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING AS WELL.
JUST QUICKLY GOING THROUGH IT AGAIN, AS PART OF ANY PROJECT THAT REQUIRES DISTURBANCE WITHIN, UH, THE TOWN OF HARRISON, ANYTHING OVER 200 SQUARE FEET OBVIOUSLY REQUIRES A SQUARE, A STORM WATER PERMIT FROM, UM, THE TOWN IN THIS CASE, OBVIOUSLY WE FAR EXCEED THAT REQUIREMENT, BUT STILL REQUIRES A STORM WATER PERMIT FROM, UM, THE MUNICIPALITY.
IT ALSO REQUIRES, UH, COVERAGE UNDER THE NEW YORK STATE, UH, SPEEDY'S GENERAL PERMIT.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MET, UH, FROM THE NEW YORK STATE, DEC AND THEIR STORMWATER DESIGN MANUAL.
UM, THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT SITE.
THERE IS A NUMBER OF IMPERVIOUS AREAS ON THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS, UM, BUT IT IS A REDEVELOPMENT SITE WITH AN INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS AREA.
WE DO HAVE NEW IMPERVIOUS AREA THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED.
CURRENTLY TODAY, THERE ARE REALLY NO STORMWATER CONTROLS.
WATER IS COLLECTED, CATCH BASINS, SOME OF IT JUST RUNS RIGHT OFF THE SITE, UH, DISCHARGES INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ALONG SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, AND THEN, UH, DISCHARGES ACROSS THE STREET AFTER THAT.
UM, AS PART OF THE PROJECT, THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN THAT'S BEEN PREPARED.
UH, THERE'S A SERIES OF IMPROVED DRAINAGE SYSTEM PIPES, UH, UNDERGROUND INFILTRATION SYSTEMS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
ALL OF WHICH IS DESIGNED TO COLLECT, TREAT, DETAIN, INFILTRATE, AND HANDLE STORM WATER ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
IT'S ALL BEING DESIGNED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE'S REQUIREMENT AS WELL AS THE TOWN'S REQUIREMENTS.
UH, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO GET A PERMIT, UM, POST-APPROVAL AND PRIOR TO ANY CONSTRUCTION ON THE PROJECT AS WELL.
IS THERE A PARTICULAR YEAR STORM THAT THIS ARE BEING DESIGNED? A HUNDRED PERCENT, YEAH.
IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, OVER AN ACRE OF DISTURBANCE, IT REQUIRES A HUNDRED DORM THAT IT'S BEING DESIGNED FOR.
UM, UH, AND, UH, ALL THE SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED ACCORDINGLY.
ARE YOU DISTURBING MORE THAN FIVE ACRES AT ONCE? SO THAT IS GONNA COME DOWN TO SEQUENCING AND PHASING, UM, YET TO BE DETERMINED.
RIGHT NOW, THE TOTAL DISTURBANCE EXCEEDS THAT.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, EVALUATED AS PART OF A SEQUENCING AND PHASING PLAN.
IF IN FACT, WE DO NEED OVER FIVE ACRES OF DISTURBANCE, THAT IS A SEPARATE WAIVER AND APPROVAL, UH, THAT'S REQUIRED FROM THE MUNICIPALITY, IN THIS CASE THE TOWN ENGINEER.
AND WE WOULD HAVE TO PROCESS A FIVE ACRE WAIVER, UH, REQUEST WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, MUNICIPALITY.
YOUR SPEEDIES WILL REQUIRE A PHASING AND SEQUENCING PLAN REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING NOW.
SO YOU'RE BUILDING A, I MEAN, YOUR BUILDING IS MORE THAN SIX ACRES ALONE, RIGHT? THE WAREHOUSE THAT YOU'RE BUILDING? THE WAREHOUSE ITSELF, YEAH.
SO YOU'RE STILL DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD DISTURB ALL SIX ACRES AT ONCE OR? YEAH.
AT, AT THIS POINT, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY WE'VE COME UP WITH A SEQUENCING AND A PHASING PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT WILL BE PHASED AND SEQUENCED.
THERE'LL BE PORTIONS OF THE SITE THAT WOULD BE DISTURBED AND YOU'D BUILD AN AREA AND MOVE ALONG.
THIS IS, AGAIN, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT AND THE SIZE OF THE SITE, THERE'S AREAS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSTRUCTED AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SEQUENCING.
IF THE UPDATED CGP NEEDS TO KNOW YOUR PHASING AND SEQUENCING PLAN, AND I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN YOUR STORMWATER POLLUTION, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
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WHEN WE FILE FOR THAT PERMIT MM-HMMWE DO NEED TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PHASING AND SEQUENCING PLAN PLAN.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE AS PART OF THE STORMWATER PERMIT PRIOR TO THAT PERMIT BEING FILED.
UM, ONE QUESTION THAT MAY BE FOR YOU.
WHY, WHY DOES YOUR DOCUMENTATION HAVE PARCEL IDS THAT DON'T SEEM TO EXIST? I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING.
I WOULD HAVE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.
YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT 8.5 HUNDRED DASH THREE 50 DASH FOUR, LIKE THOSE DON'T EXIST.
SO I, THAT MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED FROM THE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION ON THE, I DON'T KNOW.
JUST I WOULD HAVE TO SEE THE NUMBERS COMMENT CAME THROUGH TO ME AS WELL.
I TOOK A LOOK AT OUR GIS TAX MAP.
WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IS ACCURATE IN THAT REGARD.
SO IT WAS JUST SOMETHING FOR YOU.
I DON'T KNOW THE PLANS AND ALL OF THE COVER LETTERS.
IT'S GOT THESE PARCEL IDS THAT YOU CAN'T FIND ON THE GIS.
UM, THE S AND AQUEDUCT, THAT'S NEW YORK CITY'S PROPERTY ALONG THE TOP PORTION.
IT IS NOT NEW YORK, IT'S ON OUR PROPERTY.
BUT THERE IS AN AREA THAT'S IDENTIFIED.
THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE AN EASEMENT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BUT DO YOU NEED PERMISSION FROM THEM TO WORK AROUND THEIR AQUEDUCT? NO, TYPICALLY WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY IMPACT IN THAT AREA.
WE'RE NOT CONSTRUCTING ANY BUILDINGS ALONG THAT AREA.
BUT YOU ARE CONSTRUCTING AROUND THAT AREA.
WE ARE DOING PAVED IMPROVEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IS THERE ANY DISTURBANCE? SORRY, ONE SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE ACTUAL EASEMENT AREA? YES, THERE IS.
SO I BELIEVE THE EASEMENT WILL, UH, I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING DEFINITIVE THAT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT IS, UH, BASED ON THE DEPTH AND ITS LOCATION, THERE'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED IN THAT AREA THAT WOULD IMPACT IT.
IT'S JUST SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS, PARKING LOT PAVING, STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK THERE WAS THAT ACTUAL BUILDING THAT WAS ON TOP OF THAT EASEMENT AREA THAT WAS DEMO DEMOLISHED.
THE FOUR 60 BUILDING UP TOP, IF YOU COULD JUST, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS ON IT, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DEMOLISHED UP THERE.
UH, THERE'S EXISTING PARKING AREAS THAT ARE UP THERE.
THERE'S NO OTHER SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT AGAIN, WE'LL LOOK AT THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE AND I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT IT, AND I DON WANNA SAY DEFINITIVELY, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S JUST WITHIN THE RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS THERE.
BUT IF ANY PERMISSION FROM THEM IS REQUIRED, WE WOULD HAVE TO ABSOLUTELY GET IT.
WHERE IS THE CELL TOWER? YOU MENTION THAT RIGHT? THE CELL TOWER.
WHERE IS IT EXACTLY? TOP LEFT HAND PORTION OF THE SITE.
DO YOU WANNA POINT IT OUT? SO, I'M SORRY, JUST BACK TO THE DP.
SO YOU GUYS GONNA CHECK WITH THE DEP OR ARE YOU CHECKING YOUR EASEMENT? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THAT THING'S BACK IN SERVICE.
RIGHT? SO IT BACK IN SERVICE, WE WILL PULL THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE AND WE'LL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEN AGAIN, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED FROM THEM, WE WOULD SECURE IT.
DO YOU NEED ANY APPROVAL FROM THE THREE-WAY AUTHORITY? 'CAUSE YOU'RE FROM THE NOT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
SO CAN YOU GUYS SEE MY SCREEN? YEAH.
SO, SO, UH, NO, I, YOU CAN'T CAN SEE IT, BUT I STILL SEE JOHN.
SO UP IN THE TOP PORTION, THERE'S THIS TRACTOR, UH, THE TRAILER PARKING JUST TO THE LEFT.
DO YOU SEE MY CURSOR? THAT'S WHERE THE CELL TOWER IS.
THAT'S TO REMAIN C COULD YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT? UH, SURE.
GOD, WHY IS THAT THING IN THE WAY? SO WHO OWN, WHO OWNS THAT TOWER? I BELIEVE? I BELIEVE IT'S CROWN CASTLE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT WITH VERIZON.
VERIZON, I'M NOT SURE IT'S RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHICH CARRIER IS ON THE, ON THE TOWER.
UH, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS OWNED BY CROWN CASTLE.
BUT THERE'S AN EASEMENT WITH THEM AS WELL.
I DON'T IF AGREEMENT IT'S AN EASEMENT OR A LEASE, A GROUND LEASE.
BUT THERE IS A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO ALLOW THEM TO BE UP THERE.
AND THEY ACCESS THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY? SAY AGAIN? DO THEY, DO THEY ACCESS THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY? YES, THEY'RE THROUGH THE, IT'S ON THE PROPERTY.
AND WE MAINTAIN THE ACCESS DRIVEWAY.
YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE PLAN UP THERE, JUST CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN ACCESS SO THEY COULD SERVICE IT AS REQUIRED.
ARE ANY ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ED? I THINK THERE'S MORE.
WHAT'S THE RIGHT OF AWAY WITH NO ACCESS THING? JUST ABOVE THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, RIGHT OF WAYS WITH NO ACCESS IS SPECIFICALLY DEFINED.
THERE ARE CERTAIN LOCATIONS ALONG HIGHWAYS AND ROADWAYS WHERE NO ACCESS IS PERMITTED.
SO, UH, THIS PROPERTY OWNER, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE FRONTAGE ON THAT ROADWAY THERE, WE CAN'T ACCESS 87 THROUGH OUR PROPERTY.
THERE'S A NO ACCESS PROVISION.
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WHAT, WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, PLAN IN TERMS OF IF, IF THIS IS APPROVED IN TERMS OF DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND CONSTRUCTING THE NEW, CONSTRUCTING THE NEW BUILDING? BECAUSE, UH, AND I ASSUME SOME MARKETING STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE THAT THERE'S DEMAND FOR THIS WAREHOUSE SPACE.OTHERWISE WE'RE GONNA SIT, I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WE'RE GONNA SIT AROUND FOR YEARS WAITING FOR LEASES TO BE SIGNED, WHICH ARE THEN GONNA REQUIRE ALL THIS, THAT DEMOLITION AND SITE WORK AND THEN CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW BUILDING.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THAT WHOLE PROCESS IS GONNA HAVE A SERIOUS IMPACT ON THAT WHOLE AREA.
THE LOFTS ACROSS THE STREET, UH, THE ROADWAYS, UH, AND JUST GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, TO THE MUNICIPALITIES AND PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT, IN THAT AREA.
SO, UM, WE'VE COMMITTED IN OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS THAT, UH, NO BUILDING PERMIT WOULD BE ISSUED UNTIL AN AN END USER IS, IS IDENTIFIED.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE DEMOLISHED AND THE, THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTED ON SPEC.
UM, AND AS FAR AS THE, THE MARKET, YES, WE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY PROPOSING THE WAREHOUSE IF, IF BIOMED HAD NOT DONE, YOU KNOW, THEIR DUE DILIGENCE WITH RESPECT TO, TO MARKETING AND HAD, YOU KNOW, VERY GOOD CONFIDENCE THAT THIS IS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY BASED ON THE CURRENT MARKET.
SO, UM, YEAH, ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN VETTED AND, UM, UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE PROTECTION OF THE NEIGHBOR, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN, IN MIND AS WELL.
AND IS THERE ANY LIKE, TIME CONSTRAINT AS TO IF, IF THIS DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD, THAT THE APPROVALS, AND I GUESS I'M ASKING AMANDA, THE APPROVALS EXPIRE? YEAH.
YES, THEY WOULD EXPIRE, THEY'D HAVE EXTENSIONS, A TIMELINE FOR EXPIRATION WITH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EXTENSIONS EXTENSION REQUEST BY THE TOWN YEAH.
I MEAN, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
I THINK I READ IN SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT DURING CONSTRUCTION, UH, PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN FILL THERE WOULD BE THREE TO FIVE DUMP TRUCKS AN HOUR COMING TO THAT PROPERTY.
UM, I WOULD DEFER TO JOHN MEYER CONSULTING AS TO THE, IF THAT IS THE SPECIFIC NUMBER.
BUT YES, THERE WILL BE, UM, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF FILL, UH, THAT GOING ON FOR LIKE A LONG TIME.
IT, IT WILL, IT IS A TEMPORARY IMPACT IN THE SENSE THAT IT IS ONLY DURING CONSTRUCTION.
UM, UH, BUT THERE, THERE IS A, THERE'S, THERE ARE DUMP TRUCKS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING AND GOING FROM THE SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S UNAVOIDABLE WHEN THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION.
AND AIR POLLUTION, DIESEL, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT I COULD TELL THAT THERE'S GONNA BE AN EXTENSIVE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AND A LOT OF HEAVY TRUCKS COMING AND GOING FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
AND SO SOME OF THOSE ESTIMATES, IT'LL ALSO DEPEND ON THE LENGTH OF THE WORKDAY, WHETHER THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION ON, ON A SATURDAY.
UM, SO IT, IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS AN ESTIMATE, UM, UH, WITH, WITH SOME VARIABLES IN PLACE.
WILL THOSE TRUCKS BE LIMIT, HAVE THE SAME LIMITATIONS OR RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED EARLIER, LIKE TRUCK ROUTE WITH TRUCK ROUTES, TEMPORARY CONSTRUCT CONSTRUCTION? WELL, IT DEPENDS.
OR DID THEY BLOW THROUGH THE VILLAGE OF ARDSLEY? WELL, THAT, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER DISCUSSION POINT WITH THIS BOARD.
THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW ARE YOUR FULL-SIZE TRACTOR TRAILERS.
THAT'S WHAT WAS INITIALLY BEING DISCUSSED WITH WHERE THEY CAN BE LOCATED.
DUMP TRUCKS DON'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS AS THE 53 FOOT TRAILERS.
THAT'S WHAT, UH, JOHN WAS ALLUDING TO BEFORE.
THOSE ARE THOSE FULL-SIZED TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT YOU SEE UP AND DOWN.
THE, THE THROUGHWAY, THE TRUCKS THAT REMOVE THE SOIL AND THE DIRT FROM THE SITE.
BUT, UM, ONE THING THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS IS CONSTRUCTION, UH, UH, TRUCK ROUTES AS WELL.
AND THAT ONE IS MORE EASILY CONTROLLED AND ENFORCEABLE BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDER THAT'S GONNA HANDLE THAT ASPECT OF IT.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY, UH, UH, ADDRESS THAT PIECE OF IT AS WELL, I WOULD THINK.
AND, UM, THERE'D BE RESTRICTIONS ON IDLING AND THAT SORT OF, YEAH.
HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE THERE FOR TRACTOR TRAILER? WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BEAR WITH, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.
79 DAYS, UH, WITHIN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
AND THERE'S A HUNDRED AND HOW MANY 110 TRAILER PARKING SPACES.
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BAYS ARE THE ONES UP AGAINST THE BUILDING.THAT'S WHERE THE TRUCK CAN, 79 79.
THE 110 IS THE TRAILER PARKING THAT'S LOCATED ON THE TOP PORTION OF THE SITE WHERE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARK THE TRAILERS ON THE PROPERTY AND THEY'RE MOVING 'EM BACK AND FORTH AS NEEDED.
AND WHY WOULD THEY BE OTHER THAN MOMENTARILY? WHY WOULD THEY BE PARKED THERE? AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, CAN THEY BE PARKED THERE OVERNIGHT? A HUNDRED PERCENT, YES.
AND THAT'S COMMON, YOU KNOW, TRAILER PARKING IS PROVIDED, TRAILER PARKING IS LOCATED THERE.
THERE COULD BE A PARKED VEHICLE THERE.
IT'S USED, IT COMES BACK AND FORTH.
IT'S TRAILER PARKING, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD BE.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE OVERNIGHT PARKING FREQUENTLY.
IT'S JUST THE TRAILER THAT'S ABOUT, CAN YOU SPEAK AT THE MICROPHONE? IT'S FINE.
FREQUENTLY, IT'S JUST LIKE THE 110 SPACES AREN'T ABOUT TRUCKS COMING IN.
LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE A PARKING LOT, LIKE A RETAIL PARKING LOT.
YOU LEAVE THE TRAILER THERE BECAUSE YOU AS THE COMPANY OWN THE TRAILER.
AND SO YOU'VE LEFT THE TRAILER IN THE PARKING LOT, THAT UPPER PARKING LOT.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A TRUCK ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
YOU KNOW YOUR NAME PLEASE FOR THE RECORD.
SO THE DRIVER, OH, MY NAME'S ETHAN WALSH WITH BIOMED REALTY.
SO IN THAT SCENARIO, THE DRIVER, UH, PARTS A TRAILER AND THEN GOES, TAKES, UH, TAKES HIS, UH, TAKES HIS TRUCK.
TRUCK, TAKES HIS TRUCK, TRUCK.
IT'S COMMON PRACTICE WITH WAREHOUSING BUILDINGS AND TRAILER PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPERATIONS IS
I HAVE WHAT YOU DONE WITH THIS ONE.
WHEN YOU DESIGNED THE LAYOUT OF THIS BUILDING MM-HMM
AND MOVED IT MUCH CLOSER TO NINE A THAN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, AS OPPOSED TO MOVING IT BACK, WHAT WAS THE DRIVING FORCE FOR THAT? A A NUMBER OF FACTORS.
I MEAN, ONE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING BUILDINGS WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, THE DRIVEWAYS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE.
THE FURTHER YOU GO BACK, THE STEEPER IT CLIMBS INTO THAT HILLSIDE.
SO AS EVERY TIME YOU PUSH THE BUILDING BACK, IT RESULTS IN MORE CUT, MORE EXCAVATION THAT STARTS TO GET INTO MORE REMOVAL OF TREES, MORE DISTURBANCE AND MORE SOIL THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPORTED.
SO WE LOOKED AT WHERE IT WOULD BE BEST SITUATED, AND IT'S REALLY IN THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S A DIFFERENT MASSING OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S GONNA SIT AS CLOSE TO THE ROADWAY AS POSSIBLE.
OBVIOUSLY COMPLIES WITH ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S REALLY JUST THE SITE, THE WAY ITS TOPOGRAPHY IS DRIVEWAY ACCESS.
ALL OF THAT CAME INTO PLAY BECAUSE ONE OF THE COMMENTS, I THINK IT WAS FROM THE LOFTS, UH, THE OWNER WAS A, YOU KNOW, THIS BIG MONOLITH IS LIKE, WE'RE RIGHT ON THE STREET.
AND I JUST, I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE DESIGN AND, YOU KNOW, URBAN PLANNING AND YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT THE GALLERY AND WHITE PLAINS, AND THAT WAS LIKE A FORTRESS.
IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT STOOD THERE AND IT WAS TOTALLY UNINVITING, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYONE TO GO INSIDE ALMOST UNLESS YOU WERE GONNA SHOP AND IT WENT ON FOR TWO OR THREE BLOCKS IN WHITE PLAINS AND, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THIS THING IS JUST GONNA LIKE, YOU KNOW, LOOM OVER NINE A YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE STORY THERE, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A MONSTROUS, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
AND, AND THEN I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE THE RENDERING FOR ONE MORE SECOND? JUST BEAR WITH ME.
SO TO THE POINT, ETHAN JUST RAISED TWO, UM, UNDERSTOOD.
AND THE BUILDING IS, UM, YES, IT'S A SINGLE STORY BUILDING.
OBVIOUSLY WITH THE HEIGHT IT'S 45 FEET HIGH.
THE, THE WAY IT'S SITUATED, THE WAY IT'S TUCKED BACK, THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THERE'S THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO THAT.
BUT THERE'S THOUGHT THAT GOES INTO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SHARED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, IT IT, IT IS NOT JUST A, A TOTALLY FLAT FACADE BUILDING.
THERE'S ARCHITECTURE THAT'S BUILT INTO IT, AND THERE'S THINGS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE MASSING THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED.
BUT PRIMARILY WE FOCUS ON THE LANDSCAPING IMPROVEMENTS AND THE THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT BREAK UP THE SCREENING.
IT'S A LOOK, IT'S A LARGE BUILDING.
IT'S ACROSS THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE THING I DO POINT OUT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, IT IS WITHIN THE GI DISTRICT.
IT'S WHERE THESE TYPES OF USES ARE CONTEMPLATED AND PLANNED AND ARE PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED WITHIN, UH, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE FOR THE PROJECT.
SO, UM, I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE RENDERINGS.
I THINK, I THINK MS. MOYER HAD A QUESTION.
OH NO, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WE CAN BRING UP SOME RENDERINGS TOO.
JUST FOLLOW UP TO THAT ONE IS, YEAH.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT STARTED SINKING IN THE SIZE OF, IT IS POSSIBLE TO STAKE OUT THE SORT OF FOUR CORNERS OF THE, THIS HUGE BUILDING AND, AND RELATIVE HEART HEIGHT SO THAT WE CAN VISUALIZE, BECAUSE YEAH, YOU HAVE RENDERING, BUT THE, THE, UH, WE, I MEAN, IN LARGE DEVELOPMENT WE, WE, WE LIKE TO SEE HOW, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE THING IS, AND THEN WE CAN GET, BECAUSE IT'S A MORE THAN A THOUSAND FEET
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LONG, THIS IS NOT AN UNDEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S AN ALREADY DEVELOPED PIECE OF PROPERTY.SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING MARKERS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE STANDING ON THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER, THERE'S AN EXISTING PARKING SPOT AND WE COULD POINT RIGHT TO IT.
IF YOU DO ALL THAT STUFF, IF INTEREST, I MEAN, WE GOT SORT OF, UH, KNOW THE SIZE AND I THINK, UH, YEAH, I MEAN THAT WILL HELP YOU TO KIND OF BE UNDERSTAND THAT THING IS, AND JUST TO GO BACK ONE MORE POINT, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE.
THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IS DONE.
LIKE WE SAID, THIS IS NOT A LAST MILE DISTRIBUTION FACILITY.
ALL OF THE LOADING DOCKS ARE LOCATED ON THE BACK PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THAT WAS ANOTHER INTENTIONAL DESIGN FEATURE THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO IT AS WELL.
SO YOU ASKED A, IT, IT'S A VERY VALID QUESTION.
THERE WAS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THIS TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE TRUCK ACTIVITIES BEHIND THE BUILDING USING THE BUILDING TO SCREEN IT FROM THE ROADWAY.
I MEAN, OF COURSE PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, ISSUE IS MAXIMIZING, YOU KNOW, THE FULL AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, GLA IN THAT BUILDING RESULTED IN SOME OF THE DECISIONS.
IF IT WAS A SMALLER BUILDING, MOVING IT BACK A LITTLE, IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T HAVE REQUIRED AS MUCH DISTURBANCE.
SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT'S A DECISION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS MADE TO MAXIMIZE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON THAT SITE.
AND TO DO THAT AND COVER, YOU KNOW, COVER THE COST, IT, IT FORCED IT TO BE MOVED CLOSER TO THE STREET AND SORT OF LOOM OVER THE STREET MM-HMM
AND, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND THE DESIGN.
YEAH, IT'S A NICE LOOKING BUILDING.
I MEAN, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, BUT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT IT'S RIGHT UP FRONT AND YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU WALK BY, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE LOOKING UP FOUR AND A HALF STORIES, NOT, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED FEET AWAY, BUT RIGHT NEXT TO YOU.
JUST, JUST MISS, UH, MS. PT COMPETITION.
MS. MOY, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A QUESTION.
I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO STUDY THE UPDATED CGP BECAUSE IF YOU ARE GONNA BUILD MORE THAN FIVE ACRES, THEY'RE GOING TO EXPECT SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE STORMWATER POLLUTION PLAN, NOT IN WHAT YOU'RE SUBMITTING TO THEM.
THEY'RE GONNA EXPECT YOUR STORMWATER POLLUTION PLAN TO ACCOUNT FOR GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR.
JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO STUDY HERE.
AGAIN, WE DO TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION, THE TOTAL DISTURBANCE, UM, HOW THE SEQUENCING WILL BE DONE, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND, AND COME BACK WITH SOME MORE INFORMATION RECENTLY.
SO I, I, SO IT'S NOW EIGHT 50, SO I'D SAY WE PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER 10, 10 OR SO MINUTES ON THIS BEFORE WE MOVE TO, TO THE NEXT APPLICATION.
UH, I, I DID WANNA GET A SENSE FROM THE BOARD OF, OF WHERE WE ARE ON THE SIDEWALK, AND I'LL PREFACE THIS BY SAYING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE, THE TOWN BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY ON THIS APPLICATION.
SO OUR ROLE IN THIS IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, MY STRONG PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING THAT THE APPLICANT CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK.
UM, WHILE I APPRECIATE THE, THE OFFER FOR A FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTION, UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY THAT WOULD STILL PUT THE BURDEN ON THE TOWN PROFESSIONAL STAFF TO EXECUTE THE SIDEWALK.
AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR TOWN STAFF, OUR TOWN STAFF ALWAYS HAVE A LOT ON THEIR PLATE.
AND, AND ANOTHER BENEFIT OF THE SIDEWALK BEING CONSTRUCTED BY THE APPLICANT IS THAT IT COULD BE TIED IN AS A CONDITION, IT CAN BE TIED IN AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND, UH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD ENSURE THAT THE SIDEWALK IS CONSTRUCTED IN A, IN A REASONABLE TIME VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE TOWN HAS THE MONEY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD EXECUTE IMMEDIATELY OR IT COULD SIT AND TAKE SOME TIME FOR THE SIDEWALK TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
UM, BUT WHAT I, I'D LIKE TO GET A SENSE OF WHERE THE REST OF THE BOARD IS.
NO, I THINK SIDEWALK IS ONE COMPONENT, UH, UH, WHICH I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTIONS THAT I WANTED TO GO THROUGH IT IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, CIRCULATIONS AND, UH, AND OPERATIONS THING.
SO I, I WISH THAT WE COULD CONTINUE THIS.
WELL, WELL, SO I, I, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER WORK SESSION AFTER THIS WORK SESSION.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A, A, A BRIEF, YOU KNOW, SORT OF GET A TEMPERATURE CHECK ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE SIDEWALK AND THEN WE'LL LIKELY, UH, CONTINUE THIS ON TO THE OCTOBER 15TH MEETING.
BUT I THINK, UH, IT'S, IT 11, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHAT'S ULTIMATELY WE ARE GOING TO DO RECOMMENDATION COME TOTAL RECOMMENDATION OR NOT JUST A SIDEWALK RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? NO, A COMPLETE RECOMMENDATION, BUT, BUT DO YOU WANT DO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON SIDEWALK SINCE WE HAD A, A NEW SUBMISSION OF THE RENDERINGS OF THE, OF THE CONCEPTUAL SIDEWALK.
CAN, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF SCHEDULE SITE VISIT.
I'LL COORDINATE THAT WITH THE PROJECT TEAM.
WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A, UH, UH, UH, THE DIRECT, THE, UH, WHAT, WHAT, UH, THE, THE,
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UH, UH, SITE SITE VISIT THAT YOU CAN HAVE, UH, UH, POST PUBLIC NOTICE.WELL, SO YOU DON'T HAVE, DO YOU WANNA HAVE A NOTICE SITE VISIT OR DO YOU WANNA DO SMALL GROUPS OVER THE NEXT SITE VISIT IS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S A BIG PROJECT, I THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT SPEAKS TO WHO GETS NOTICED.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE ARE SOME FINE POINTS THAT, UM, ARE IMPORTANT TO WALK THE BOARD MEMBERS THROUGH.
IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE BOARD.
I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO COORDINATE SMALL GROUP SITE VISITS AND, UM, TYPICALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, WE WOULD HAVE NOTICED SITE VISITS NOTICE ON A SATURDAY MORNING.
SO ULTIMATELY THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UM, MAYBE TOMORROW WE CAN SEND OUT AN EMAIL.
STAFF CAN SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO THE BOARD A TO SEE WHO'S INTERESTED BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME MEMBERS THAT AREN'T HERE.
AND THEN C YOU KNOW, WHERE IT LANDS.
AND WE WILL THEN REACH OUT TO THE PROJECT TEAM.
HAVE WE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE NOTICING? SORRY, SORRY.
BUT FOLLOWING TO THAT QUESTION, HAVE WE DONE ANY, UH, NOTICE SITE VISIT FOR THIS PROJECT? FOR THIS PROJECT? NO.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAS APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
THE TOWN BOARD HAS THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER THE SITE PLAN AND THE TREE REMOVAL.
REMIND ME WHAT THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS IS.
HOW MANY DAYS IN ADVANCE? UH, AT LEAST 10 DAYS.
SO IF WE WERE TO DO WHAT, WHAT'S THE EARLIEST WE'D BE ABLE TO DO A SIDE VISIT IF WE DID 10 DAYS FROM, WE GOTTA GET IT IN THE PAPER TOO, RIGHT? WHICH TAKES ABOUT THREE DAYS, WHICH TAKES A FEW DAYS, SOMETIMES FOUR.
SO IT WOULD BE LIKE END OF, UH, END OF, YEAH.
SO THE FIRST WEEK WE CAN DO IT IN AUGUST'S TWO WEEKS FROM TOMORROW.
SO SATURDAY OCTOBER 4TH, POTENTIALLY CONSIDERING THE SIZE APPROACH, WE HAVE ANOTHER APPLICANT, SO I, YEAH, WE CAN COORDINATE THAT AND IF IT WORKS OUT, MAYBE WE DO THE NOTICE SITE VISIT.
IF IT DOESN'T AND WE RUN SMALL GROUP SITE VISITS, I'M SURE THE OP PROJECT TEAM IS WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE US EITHER WAY.
UM, WHAT I WOULD ASK MR. DESAI IS, YOU SAID YOU HAVE A NUMBER, I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT FOR OVER AN HOUR.
YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PUT THEM IN WRITING SO THAT CONTACT WE COULD GET THEM TO THE APPLICANT? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE APPLICANT BACK FOR AN ADDITIONAL WORK SESSION AND POSSIBLY OCTOBER 15TH.
AND TO THE EXTENT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A MONTH FROM NOW, FOUR WEEKS FROM FROM NOW, I WOULD TRY, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO PASS THOSE COMMENTS ALONG TO THE APPLICANT AHEAD OF TIME SO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND RATHER THAN WAITING A MONTH FROM NOW.
KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE UNDER A TIMEFRAME TO GET THE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WHAT'S OUR TIMELINE ON THE FLOOR? I DON'T HAVE THAT OFFHAND.
WE CAN EXTEND THE, IF NEED BE, BUT TO THE POINT IS IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS TODAY AND WE JUST DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET TO THEM, TO WAIT FOUR WEEKS TO ONLY BRING THEM UP FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW, YEAH, I CAN DO THAT.
BUT MOST OF THE COMMENTS ARE FROM THE THREE LETTERS THAT, UH, YOU SENT ME YESTERDAY FROM, UH, UM, UH, FROM THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD, UH, FROM THE VILLAGE OF HASTINGS, AND FROM THE, UM, THE OWNER OF THE LOFT AND THE, OF THE LOFTS LOFT.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE, THE HASTINGS LETTER AND THE COUNTY PLANNING LETTER, THOSE WERE NOT NEW, CORRECT? I MEAN, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING RECENTLY FROM COUNTY PLANNING OR FROM HASTINGS.
THE LOFTS LETTER WE, WE HAVE HASTINGS WAS PROBABLY BEFORE YOU EVEN FORMALIZED A LONG TIME AGO.
AND I TRIED TO MAKE THAT POINT IN MY EMAIL THAT IT WAS MAYBE SOMEWHAT DATED BECAUSE WE'VE MADE REVISIONS IDENTIFIED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T GONNA BE A LAST MILE OR HIGH CUBE.
UM, THE COUNTY, I BELIEVE THERE WERE TWO MEMOS AND I DID, I DID FORWARD THE MOST RECENT ONE.
MAY HAVE BEEN OVER THE SUMMER AND WE DID RESPOND TO THAT.
SO, UM, SO DO MAYBE JUST LOOK AT THOSE AND MAYBE GET ME A DIRECT COMPILATION OF THE RESPONSE.
THEM AND ALSO THE, IF THE HIS THINGS DID NOT SEE THE REASON OR THE LATEST PLAN, MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE LATEST PROPOSAL THEN.
SO AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, EACH ITERATION OF THE PLANS AND PROJECT MATERIALS HAVE BEEN FORWARDED TO THE VILLAGES, INCLUDING HASTINGS LEY AND DO START.
AND, AND WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE'VE MET WITH HASTINGS
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DIRECTLY, SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THE PROJECTS AND, AND THEY HAVE A DIRECT LINE OF COMMUNICATION WITH US.UM, I WOULD JUST ASK IF THERE'S ANY CONSIDERATION TO, UM, PREPARING EVEN A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
SO, UM, STILL ORDERLY AT LEAST FOR THAT.
SO THAT CAN BE, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST NOT SURE WE'RE THERE YET.
WELL, IF LOOK, WE'RE, WE'RE, IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY TO RECEIVE THEM AND RESPONSE TO THEM.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE OUR NOTES FROM TONIGHT'S MEETING AND WE'LL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS RESPONSIVE AS WE CAN, UH, TO YOUR QUESTIONS, TO, UM, TO TRY TO KEEP FORWARD MOVING PROGRESS.
WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT STAFF WILL BEGIN TO PREPARE THE BONES, YOU KNOW, OF RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE THE SITE VISITS, UM, THERE'S A PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION ON THE 15TH, THEN PERHAPS THE BOARD'S IN A POSITION TO MOVE FORWARD AT THAT TIME.
I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, I, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS TONIGHT, SO IF ALL THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, THOSE THAT ARE IN ATTENDANCE AND THOSE THAT ARE NOT, COULD SUBMIT ALL THE QUESTIONS SO THAT STAFF CAN KIND OF NAVIGATE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, BUT ALSO FOR THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.
WE'LL WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER TB 25 0 6 PB 25 23.
UH, AND I'D LIKE TO CALL UP MR. SENSIBLE, UM, OR THE ANYONE THAT'S GONNA PRESENT ON BEHALF, WE JUST KIND OF COORDINATE ON THE FRONT END.
WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH WITH YOU GUYS.
DAVID STEINMETZ HAS BEEN CHAMPIONING US.
SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I WILL LEAVE IT TO DAVID.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZARIN AND STEINMETZ.
PLEASED TO BE BACK BEFORE YOUR BOARD THIS EVENING.
UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M JOINED BY GLENN PANA, UM, JEFF MANGANELLO FROM, UH, THA MY COLLEAGUE BRIAN AUGH AND OUR PROJECT ENGINEER PETER LOYOLA FROM CLA.
I KNOW, UM, MY TEAM WAS HERE IN AUGUST.
I WAS, UM, FORTUNATELY OR UNFORTUNATELY ON VACATION AND I COULD NOT BE HERE.
SO I DON'T WANT TO GO BACKWARDS TOO FAR, BUT I JUST WANT TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE.
UM, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW, I THINK ALL OF YOU WERE HERE.
THIS IS AN AGGREGATE, UM, AND ROCK RECYCLING, UH, FACILITY THAT HAS BEEN OPERATING HERE IN THE TOWN FOR 27 YEARS.
UH, THEY HAVE A PART 360 PERMIT ISSUED BY THE NEW YORK STATE DECA STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PERMIT, UH, FROM THE DECA WESTCHESTER COUNTY AIR PERMIT, UM, AUTHORIZING THE OPERATION.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE IN MARCH OF 2025, MARCH OF THIS YEAR, AFTER ABOUT 20 MONTHS IN FRONT OF YOUR ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, WE DID RECEIVE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT ISSUED BY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
UM, SO WE HAD SPENT, UM, UH, THE END OF 2023, ALL OF 2024 AND THE BEGINNING OF 2025 BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD.
ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING BOARD WAS THAT WE PROCESS A SITE PLAN APPLICATION IN CONNECTION WITH FAIL, UM, TO DOCUMENT IN EFFECT, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS AND TO MAKE THE SITE PLAN CONSISTENT, UM, WITH THE ZONING BOARD'S SPECIAL PERMIT, WE WENT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
THE TOWN BOARD REFERRED US TO YOU UNDER YOUR CODE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, MUCH LIKE THE PRIOR APPLICATION.
UM, AND WE'RE NOW HERE SIMPLY ON A REFERRAL AND A RECOMMENDATION.
PROCEDURALLY, WE RECEIVED A SPECIAL PERMIT, UM, FROM THE ZONING BOARD WITH 19 CONDITIONS.
I, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU HEAR FROM US.
WE WERE CONCERNED THAT EIGHT OF THOSE CONDITIONS WERE NOT ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAD BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THE ZONING BOARD AND WHAT THE TOWN'S OUTSIDE PAID ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS PS AND S HAD RECOMMENDED.
AND FOR WANT OF A A, A BETTER WAY TO EXPLAIN IT, THE ZONING BOARD ACTUALLY VOTED ON A, UH, RESOLUTION WITHOUT HAVING THE FINAL WRITTEN PRODUCT IN FRONT OF THEM.
UM, THEY DIDN'T SEE THE WRITTEN PRODUCT UNTIL EIGHT DAYS AFTER OR NINE DAYS AFTER THEY VOTED.
SO WE MADE AN APPLICATION TO THE ZONING BOARD TO GO BACK IN AND CLARIFY SLASH MODIFY SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
AND THEY'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT OUR TEAM HAD HOPED THAT WE WOULD GET IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT IN CONNECTION WITH A SITE PLAN WHERE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE THINK NEED TO BE CLARIFIED BY THE ZONING BOARD.
DESPITE OUR EFFORTS AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE DO, BRIAN AND I HAVE, AND MY CLIENT HAS A PENDING APPLICATION IN FRONT OF YOUR ZONING BOARD TO CLARIFY AND MODIFY THOSE CONDITIONS.
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DESPITE THE FACT THAT I'VE HAD REPEATED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE TOWN STAFF, INCLUDING, UM, ED LIEBERMAN, THE ZONING BOARD'S ATTORNEY, THEY'VE DETERMINED THAT WE NEED TO STILL PROCESS OUR SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOUR BOARD, UM, AS IN FRONT OF THE TOWN BOARD WITH A REFERRAL TO YOUR BOARD.AND WE CAN GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD LATER ON.
SO WITH THAT, HAVING BEEN SAID ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, UM, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT YOU GAVE MY CLIENT AT YOUR AUGUST MEETING, WE DID PREPARE AND SUBMIT A RATHER EXTENSIVE COMMENT RESPONSE LETTER.
YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A COPY OF OUR SEPTEMBER 11 LETTER AND ON, UH, I THINK IT WAS YESTERDAY, UM, PETER'S OFFICE CLA DID FILE A REVISED SITE PLAN ILLUSTRATION.
SO IN SOME, AND TO MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, MY CLIENT AND OUR TEAM BELIEVES THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN INFORMATION THAT SATISFACTORILY ADDRESSES THE VARIOUS QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT FROM TOWN STAFF.
WE ARE HERE SIMPLY FOR A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND, UM, I KNOW THAT UNDER THE TOWN'S CODE YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME WITHIN WHICH YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO ACT UPON A, UH, REFERRAL.
SO WE'RE HERE, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE, WE GAVE YOU A VERY EXTENSIVE LETTER, SO I DON'T THINK YOU WANT US TO WALK THROUGH, UM, A 19 PAGE SINGLE SPACE LETTER, UH, WITH ATTACHMENTS, BUT WE'VE GOT OUR WHOLE TEAM HERE.
AND I SHOULD ALSO MENTION I'M AARON.
I THINK WE HAVE TWO EXPERTS ONLINE.
I DON'T, I HOPE THEY'RE STILL THERE.
MR. BRENER, UH, IRV BRE, KEN BRENER AND IRV GILL SHOULD BOTH BE ON.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RECORD IS CLEAR ON THAT.
KEN BRENER, UM, WORKED FOR OVER 30 YEARS FOR THE NEW YORK STATE DEC, SPECIFICALLY IN THE PART 360 SOLID WASTE AND C AND D AND RECYCLING SECTION.
UM, KEN WAS A, UH, A LONG TIME, UM, EXPERT ON THESE REGULATIONS AND WE BROUGHT HIM A BOARD TO HELP AS WE WERE PROCESSING IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD.
IRV GILL HAS BEEN A CONSULTANT TO FAIL, UM, SPECIALIZING IN OSHA AND SAFETY TRAINING, UM, AND HAS BASICALLY BEEN OUR, UM, GUY ON THE GROUND FOR SAFETY, UH, FIRE RELATED ISSUES, ET CETERA.
SO WE ASKED BOTH OF THEM TO BE AVAILABLE ON SCREEN IF THERE WERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THEM.
BEYOND THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, AGAIN, WE'RE HERE, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND, AND COVER WHATEVER GROUND YOU WISH.
UM, FIRST DEPUTY DOWN ATTORNEY MAGANA, COULD YOU JUST WALK ME THROUGH, UM, SORT OF THE TIMELINE SINCE THE LAST MEETING? SO I KNOW WE HAD REQUESTED SOME INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT.
UM, REMIND ME WHAT DATE THAT WAS AND WHEN WE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION.
SO WE HAD A, OUR LAST MEETING WAS THE AUGUST MEETING MEETING, UM, AUGUST 4TH.
AND AT THAT TIME, UM, WE NOTED THAT THERE WAS ALREADY SOME THANK YOU
WE NOTED THERE'S ALREADY SOME INITIAL COMMENTS, UM, FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS, UM, SOME VERBAL COMMENTS FROM FIRE, WHICH WE'VE NOW RECEIVED A, UH, WRITTEN COMMENT AT LEAST IN AN EMAIL AND, UH, SOME COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING AS WELL AS THE COMMENTS MADE AT THAT MEETING AND REQUESTED THAT A COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSE BE PROVIDED AT MONDAY.
UM, NO, WAS IT MONDAY, WEDNESDAY THE 10TH? WEDNESDAY THE 10TH.
AND SO WE DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE ON WEDNESDAY THE 10TH.
UM, AS MR. SIMON HAD INDICATED HE HAD SUBMITTED A LATE RESPONSE AND WE RECEIVED PLANS THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED TODAY.
UM, AND, AND I SAW A FEAR, A FLURRY OF EMAILS THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, I THINK ONE FROM THE ELMSFORD FIRE DEPARTMENT, ONE FROM, UH, DEPUTY BILL INSPECTOR GARRITY.
UM, FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEIR EMAIL SO LATE IN THE AFTERNOON, COULD YOU SUMMARIZE WHAT UH, THOSE DOCUMENTS ENTAILED? SURE.
UM, SO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR MEMO UM, SPEAKS TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY, UM, SENT OUT AND HOW THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED BY THESE SUBMITTED PLANS AND UPDATED COMMENTS.
UM, IT INDICATES THAT A ONE AND TWO PARTIAL RESPONSES TO SOME, SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE MADE.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE SEVERAL OUTSTANDING COMMENTS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND THIS IS A PRELIMINARY MEMO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, CORRECT? IN THE SHORT TURNAROUND? CORRECT.
WE WILL GET IT OFF TO THE PROJECT TEAM, NOT AND THE DATE, THE DATE AARON AND AMANDA ON THE ONE THAT YOU GOT FROM LIZ IS TODAY.
UM, AND THE COMMENT FROM THE ELMSFORD FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHAT WAS THE, THE GENERAL SENSE OF THEIR COMMENT? UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SENT AN EMAIL INDICATING THAT THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE DEAD END ACCESS ROAD, UM, INDICATING IT WOULD SEVERELY LIMIT EMERGENCY OPERATIONS.
THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL CONTAINMENT AT THE REAR OF THE SITE AND LIMITED ACCESS TO THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL.
AND THEY COMMENTED ON THE SECONDARY AXIS TO THE SITE THAT IT DOES NOT PROVIDE A PROPER TURNING
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RADIUS.UM, SOMETHING ELSE NOTED ABOUT FIRE AXIS, BUT IT WAS WITHIN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S MEMO WAS USE OF PAUSE CROSSED.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT AS WELL.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WELL, I WANTED TO SEE THAT, REVIEW THAT THINGS BEFORE I CAN MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON IT.
I JUST WANT TO CAPTURE, I'M SORRY.
I WANTED TO SEE ALL THESE COMMENTS MYSELF TO, TO REALLY RESPOND ON IT.
SO MEANING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, THE TOWN RECEIVED THE WRITTEN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS ON SEPTEMBER 11TH.
11TH, UM, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE A PLAN SET SET THAT ACCOMPANIED IT UNTIL YESTERDAY EVENING.
WE NOW HAVE COMPILED THOSE DOCUMENTS AND GOTTEN THOSE OUT TO STAFF AND AGENCIES FOR REVIEW.
WE GOT PRELIMINARY COMMENTS FROM THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR AHEAD OF THIS MEETING AS WELL AS FROM THE ELMSFORD FIRE CHIEF.
THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS THAT WE'RE EXPECTING.
WE'RE ANTICIPATING REVIEWS FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER.
A FINAL COMMENT MEMO FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
WE'LL LOOK TO GET THOSE BACK, UH, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THEM OUT TO THE TEAM, GET THEM OUT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND UH, I CAN MAKE A COMMENT, TAKE IT FROM, FROM THERE.
ARE ARE, ARE THERE ANY OUTSTANDING, SO YOU MENTIONED, UH, DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR GARRITY HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT SHE FELT WERE SAW STANDING.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM ANY, ANY OF THE TOWN STAFF? UM, YES.
ENGINEERING WHO'S, UH, HAS NOT SUBMITTED A RESPONSE YET, THEY'RE GONNA NEED UNTIL NEXT WEEK TO SUBMIT A RESPONSE.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO, I BELIEVE SOME QUESTIONS FROM PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL AS STAFF AT THE LAST MEETING THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED IN THE SUBMISSION.
UM, DO, DO YOU THINK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER ABOUT TRYING TO GET A RESPONSE THIS WEEK? YEAH, WE TRY BECAUSE I GUESS ULTIMATELY WHAT I'M GETTING AT, UM, IS IF, IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE THIS WORK SESSION, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO GET ANY, ANY OUTSTANDING LINGERING, UH, FEEDBACK FROM THE APPLICANT BY THE, THE SAME MONDAY, MONDAY THE 22ND IN ANTICIPATION OF OUR NEXT MEETING ON MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29TH.
UM, AND SO ANY, ANY INFORMATION FROM THE TOWN STAFF THAT THEN NEEDS TO BE RESPONDED TO BY THE 22ND? UM, IT, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE FAIR TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND OF COURSE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD TO ENDEAVOR TO ANSWER ANYTHING, UM, ON OR BEFORE OR MONDAY THE 22ND.
TODAY'S WEDNESDAY EVE, IT'S NOW WEDNESDAY EVENING.
SO IF WE CAN GET THE JASON'S MEMO, UM, TOMORROW, THAT'D BE GREAT IF WE COULD GET THE LIZ MEMO THAT ANDA HAS ON HER RIGHT SIDE THERE.
UM, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL.
UH, OUR TEAM WILL DO THE BEST WE CAN TO GET YOUR RESPONSE.
UM, ON MONDAY AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE CHANCE.
I, I APPRECIATE THE FACT MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING US BACK ON THE, ON THE 29TH.
I, I THINK WE DO NEED, COLLECTIVELY YOUR BOARD DOES NEED TO ADDRESS THIS, I THINK ON THE 29TH BASED UPON THE TOWN'S CODE.
AND I SEE AMANDA AND AARON NODDING, SO WE'RE AT LEAST IN AGREEMENT ON THAT.
WE, WE, WE WANT TO HELP YOU MAKE AN INFORMED AND INTELLIGENT DECISION.
NOBODY WE'VE SPENT, I WANT, I'M GONNA REPEAT IT 'CAUSE IT'S RELEVANT.
WE SPENT 20 MONTHS AND SO YOU ALL KNOW LITERALLY, 'CAUSE YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, HUNDREDS.
MY CLIENT HAS SPENT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PAYING FOR THE TOWN TO HAVE A VARIETY OF CONSULTANTS AVAILABLE TO IT DURING THE ZONING BOARD PROCESS.
ALL OF WHICH CULMINATED IN THE CONCLUSION AT THAT BOARD OF A, OF A NEGATIVE DECLARATION UNDER SECRET.
I'M VERY WELL AWARE OF, OF, OF AMANDA'S COMMENTS ABOUT IT WASN'T A COORDINATED REVIEW.
WE CERTAINLY BELIEVE, AS A MATTER OF PRACTICALITY, AS AND AS A MATTER OF LAW, YOU SHOULD BE RELYING ON MUCH OF THE WORK THAT COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE, MR. SCHMIDT, MR. BRITTON, AND YOUR ENTIRE STAFF THAT SERVES YOUR BOARD, YOUR ENTIRE STAFF DID FOR THE ZONING BOARD.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, A LOT OF TIME, MONEY, AND EFFORT HAS GONE IN.
IF THERE ARE NEW QUESTIONS OR MORE INFORMATION THAT JASON AND LIZ ARE ASKING, LET US KNOW, UM, OUR PROFESSIONALS THINK THEY HAVE ANSWERED IT.
AND IF, IF YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS BETWEEN GLENN AND JEFF AND PETER AND THE TWO EXPERTS WE HAVE ON SCREEN, WE'RE HAPPY TO STICK AROUND AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS TONIGHT IF YOU'VE GOT THEM.
SO, IN, IN LOOKING AT EVERYTHING I'VE SEEN SUBMITTED AS FAR AS COMMENT MEMOS, NEW COMMENT MEMOS THAT I'VE COMMENT AND QUESTIONS FROM THE LAST MEETING, AS FAR AS WHAT I'M SEEING, NOTHING IS NEW.
EVERYTHING IS, UM, EXISTING COMMENTS THAT WERE NOT ADDRESSED.
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UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE BY MONDAY ON ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS.IS THAT, IS THAT POSSIBLE? I, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO DEFER PETER TO, TO YOU.
I, I, I THINK OUR TEAM THINKS THEY'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION, SO I I YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN TALK A, WELL YOU WANT ONE, ONE THING WE CAN DO, YEP.
WITH RESPECT TO THE PLANNING BOARD COMMENTS IS EARLIER THIS EVENING, THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED THE MINUTES FROM, UH, ACTUALLY THOSE MINUTES WERE ADOPTED PREVIOUSLY AND APPROVED.
SO WE'LL GET YOU THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING WHERE THIS PROJECT WAS DISCUSSED.
SO YOU CAN GO THROUGH THEM WITH A FINE TOOTH TONE.
SO LET'S PAUSE THERE, AARON, IF YOU WOULD.
SO YOU GUYS WERE ALL HERE AT THAT LAST MEETING AND YOU ALL BELIEVE YOU HAVE ANSWERED THOSE.
SO THE MEETING AT THE LAST MEETING, THE BIG, JUST SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
SO, GLENN, ANA, SO AT THE LAST MEETING, WE, UM, WE GAVE THE OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, WE TOLD THE HISTORY OF IT, AND THE, WE HAD JUST RECEIVED THE COMMENTS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
WE CAME BACK AND THE COMMENTS, I DON'T THINK WE RECEIVED ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
I THINK THE QUESTIONS WERE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS AND FROM ALL THE, THE COMMENTS THAT I THOUGHT WE'VE ADDRESSED.
SO IF WE'RE GETTING RESPONSES BACK FROM THEM, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY ANSWER EVERY QUESTION THERE.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THAT NIGHT THAT WASN'T IN ANY OF THE RESPONSES FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMU FOUNDATION.
IF THERE IS, WE'RE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THEM.
AMANDA, ARE YOU ABLE TO READ BRIEFLY ANY OF THE QUESTIONS THAT APPRECIATE THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT MIGHT HELP.
AT LEAST LET'S TICK OFF WHATEVER WE CAN.
UM, SO FOR GATES AND ACCESS, THERE'S STILL, THAT COMMENT WAS ADDRESSED ON SHEET CA FIVE, UM, FOR PERIMETER FENCING.
UH, REVISION AND CLARIFICATION IS REQUESTED FOR C-L-A-S-P, WHICH CURRENTLY LISTS PROPOSED EIGHT FOOT NON-SCALABLE CHAIN LINK FENCE, UH, OR CORRUGATED STEEL FENCE.
UH, YOU NEED TO REMOVE THE CORRUGATED STEEL NOTE.
UM, CA TWO LIST THE DETAIL OF NON-SCALABLE SECURITY FENCE WITH CHAIN LINK FABRIC, NINE GAUGE ONE INCH MESH.
UM, THESE ARE, THESE ARE COMMENTS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I, BUT, BUT THE, WE WILL ADDRESS ALL THE COMMENTS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS.
MY QUESTION WAS, I'M SORRY, I MISSTATED, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THAT WERE NOT IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COMMENTS? 'CAUSE THAT THAT WAS WHAT I, THAT WAS WHAT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS.
I'M, THAT'S WHEN YOU RESPONDED TO ME AND SAID YOU THOUGHT THERE WERE THINGS IN THE MINUTES THAT WERE PLANNING BOARD.
SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THERE ARE, IF THERE ARE MINUTES OF THAT AUGUST PLANNING BOARD MEETING WHERE YOUR BOARD MEMBERS ASK QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO ANSWER, IF, IF YOU HAVE THAT, WE, WE THOUGHT WE ANSWERED EVERYTHING, BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW.
IF THERE'S A DISCONNECT ON THAT.
SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AND SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED REGARDING, UM, TESTING OF MATERIALS, UM, I THINK, UH, MR. QUIANA INDICATED HE WOULD PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON THE TESTING OF MATERIALS.
UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT CONTAINMENT MEASURES FOR STORAGE OF FUEL AND OTHER HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS, UM, PERMITTING FOR THE ELECTRICAL AND BUILDINGS.
ALTHOUGH THAT MIGHT BE A DUPLICATIVE QUESTION.
A QUESTION FOR A TRUCK SCALE ALSO MAY BE DUPLICATIVE.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT DOES THE NOTES.
SO I GUESS I, I, I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK THROUGH THE MINUTES.
UM, BUT, BUT ALSO LOOK THROUGH THE, THE MEMO FROM DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR GARRITY ONCE, ONCE IT'S FINALIZED.
UM, AND ENSURE THAT, THAT ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED.
SO THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE WORKING PLATFORM AT WHICH I THINK HAS COME UP WITH THE ZONING BOARD, CORRECT.
THE ELEVATION THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE WORKING FROM VERSUS, UH, INITIAL GRADE.
AND THEN A QUESTION OF OBTAINING A FULL PERMIT VERSUS VARIANCE ANSWER.
THESE, DO WE WANT TO ANSWER THESE THERE A LOT? I THINK WE DON'T WANT, DO WE WANNA ANSWER? I THINK SO.
IT SEEMS TO ME IF WE'RE HAPPY TO GO THROUGH ISSUES TONIGHT IS THE BEST USE OF EVERYONE'S TIME.
WOULD YOU PREFER US TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS IN WRITING? I KNOW LIKE HEARING SOME LIKE STUFF WITH THE FENCE, IT'S UP TO YOU.
SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT THE OPTION IF SHE WANTS US TO, IF DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR WANTS US TO TAKE CHAIN LINK FENCE OFF AND MAKE IT ONE, WE'RE COOL WITH ALL THAT.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE RESPONSIVE TO YOU GUYS.
SO, SO WE CAN GET WRITTEN RESPONSE BY MONDAY THE 22ND.
I THINK THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GO.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE WILL LOOK AT THE MINUTES.
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RECEIVE IT, SORRY.I WAS SAYING AND IF, AND REALLY WE, WE NEED TO RECEIVE IT BY MONDAY THE 22ND SO THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT PRIOR TO THE MEETING ON, ON THE 29TH.
SO MY OFFICE IN COORDINATION WITH THE OTHER OFFICES WILL GET YOU THE MINUTES, WHICH WE CAN GET YOU TOMORROW MORNING.
WE'LL, WE'LL SEEK TO HAVE THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR FINALIZE HER COMMENT AND AT LEAST GIVE US THE PRELIMINARY MEMO.
'CAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT ON THE RECORD TONIGHT.
I'LL LET YOU SPEAK WITH COUNSEL ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE, UH, FIRE CHIEF COMMENTS THAT CAME IN, WE'LL FORWARD THOSE OFF.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA SEEK TO SIT DOWN WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER AND SEE IF WE CAN GET HIM TO GOT IT.
ONE ISSUE THAT MIGHT BE WORTH, MR. CHAIRMAN, NONE OF US WANNA OVERSTAY OUR WELCOME AND BOARD IS TIRED AND WANTS IF THE LAST APPLICATION NO, WE'RE, WE'RE DOING GREAT.
SO, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAYBE WE CAN DO, UM, BECAUSE GO THROUGH IF IRV IS STILL ON, IS IRV STILL ON? YES.
UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IF WE CAN, 'CAUSE IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, IS THE ACCESS ON THE SITE AND TO, TO DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU.
WE, I APPRECIATE THAT YOU READ US WHAT THE FIRE CHIEF HAS SAID.
WE'VE HEARD THIS ISSUE BEFORE.
UM, THE ISSUE CAME UP IN FRONT OF THE ZONING BOARD.
IT WAS YOUR, YOUR ENGINEERS AT PSNS WERE ON OUR PROPERTY ON MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY PROBABLY FIVE DIFFERENT TIMES.
THEY DID NOT MAINTAIN IN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE ZONING BOARD THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE A LOOP ROAD ON THE PROPERTY.
IN FACT, THEY WELL UNDERSTOOD THAT FAIL AT THAT POINT HAD BEEN OPERATING FOR 25 AND A HALF YEARS WITH THE ROADS THAT ARE THERE WITH THE ACCESS POINTS THAT ARE THERE.
WE HAD MR. GILL TESTIFY ABOUT SAFE ACCESS FOR FIRE AND FIRST RESPONDERS.
AND DESPITE ALL OF THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PETER'S MOST RECENT SITE PLAN IS NOW SHOWING A, AN AN A SECONDARY EXIT OFF OF THE PROPERTY THAT DID NOT EXIST.
SO WE ACTUALLY FEEL THAT WE DID ADDRESS THAT, UM, DESPITE THE FACT THAT PSNS DIDN'T TELL US WE HAD TO.
AND SO IF YOUR BOARD HAS A POSITION ON THAT, I, I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE FIRE CHIEF WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOOP ROAD ON THE PROPERTY FOR 25 YEARS.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN A LOOP ROAD ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT I KNOW HE'S THINKING AND HE, HE CAN'T WAIT TO TELL YOU.
AND THAT IS, HIS WORKMAN'S COMP MODEL IS ABOUT AS LOW AS IT POSSIBLY COULD BE.
THAT MEANS THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE EVALUATED FAIL OVER A QUARTER CENTURY AND CONCLUDED THAT IT IS NOT AN UNSAFE PLACE TO WORK OR OPERATE.
THAT'S WHY THEIR WORKMAN'S COMP MOD IS AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
SO WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
NOTHING MATTERS MORE TO GLEN PANA AND HIS OPERATION THAN THE SAFETY OF ITS EMPLOYEES AND THAT OPERATION.
SO WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO FAIR AND RATIONAL BASIS FOR THERE TO BE A LOOP ROAD.
THERE'S NOW A WAY ON AND A WAY OFF, BUT THE WAY THE SITE, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ON THE SITE, AND I KNOW SOME OF, SOME OF YOU HAVE THE PLAN, YOU'RE KIND OF SPEAKING TO THE PLAN.
I MEAN, WAIT, DO WE WANNA LET HER, IS THAT SOMETHING WE, WE CAN, LET'S GET HER HOWEVER YOU WISH.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BOARD IS WILLING TO ENTERTAIN THE ISSUE.
YEAH, LET'S, YEAH, LET'S DO IT.
JUST WITH REGARD TO THE FI, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO BRING THEM UP? UH, IF YOU COULD, YOU CAN.
PETER LOYOLA, CLA SITE
I THINK THAT'S, LET'S SHOW WHERE WE CREATE THAT SECONDARY.
SO IT'S, UH, CLA FIVE, I BELIEVE.
OH, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
AND IF YOU CAN BLOW INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT.
SO, UM, THE KEY FOR US IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE IS TO HAVE, OBVIOUSLY ACCESS INTO THE SITE.
UM, WE ARE HANDLING THE, WITH, WITH TWO ENTRANCES, WHICH I HAD A, UM, A POINTER, BUT I DON'T.
BUT THE MAIN ACCESS IS, UH, WELL OVER 26 FEET.
FIRE CODE REQUIRES AT LEAST A MINIMUM, UH, WIDTH OF, OF ROADWAY TO BE AT LEAST 26 FEET WIDE.
AT THE ENTRANCE, WE HAVE ABOUT 33 FEET.
UM, TRACTOR, TRACTOR TRAILERS AND TRUCKS HAVE BEEN GOING INTO THIS SITE FOR YEARS, 25 YEARS.
SO THE COMPACTION ON THE ACCESS ROADS ARE VERY GOOD.
UH, AND, AND WE'LL PROVIDE A GEOTECH REPORT THAT, THAT WAS PART OF THE COMMENT.
UH, WE WILL PROVIDE A GEOTECH REPORT, BUT, UH, THE ROADWAY
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AND THE ACCESS WAY IS SO COMPACTED BECAUSE WE HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT ARE WAY HEAVIER THAN EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THEY CAN ACCESS, UH, EVERY PART OF THE SITE.UH, CAN, CAN I INTERRUPT YOU JUST FOR ONE SECOND? YOU SAID WE'LL PROVIDE A GEOTECHNICAL REPORT REPORT.
YOU HAVE THE TIMEFRAME, RIGHT? RIGHT.
UH, WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE IT TO, UH, YESTERDAY, BUT, UH, WE, WE WILL TRY AND HAVE IT TO YOU FOR THE 22ND.
YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD TRY WHAT, WHAT, WHATEVER, YEAH, WHATEVER, YEAH, YEAH.
TO GET IT IN BECAUSE, BUT AGAIN, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT THE, THE SITE HAS HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, BIG VEHICLES COMING AND GOING FROM THAT SITE FOR 25 YEARS.
AND SO THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE WITH THE COMPACTION ON THE, ON, ON THE SITE.
IT'S ACCESSIBLE BY EMERGENCY VEHICLE.
SO WE CAN CERTIFY THAT AND HAPPY TO, HAPPY TO STAMP THAT AND CERTIFY THAT.
UH, BUT WE WILL PROVIDE THE GEOTECH REPORT.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE CODE NEW YORK STATE FIRE CODE WHEN THERE'S SITES LIKE THIS, UH, AND IRV CAN SPEAK TO THIS.
IRV GILL IS THE EXPERT ON SAFETY.
BUT, UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED A HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUND THAT MEETS FIRE CODE.
UH, YOU PULL INTO THE MAIN ACCESS, UH, UH, AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE IF THEY'RE RESPONDING TO FIRE, ANY KIND OF HAZARD CAN GET INTO THE SITE AND CAN GET OUT OF THE SITE THROUGH THE USE OF A HAMMERHEAD.
AND, AND THIS HAMMERHEAD TECHNIQUE IS USED THROUGHOUT NEW YORK STATE, AND IT MEETS AND MEETS FIRE SAFETY CODE.
UM, WE HAVE OVER 60 FEET OF TURNAROUND, UH, 26 FEET WIDE OF THE HAMMER HEAD.
AND WE ALSO PROVIDE A SECONDARY ACCESS OR ENTRANCE.
UH, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SHOW HOW AARON SHOW WHERE THAT IS? YEAH.
HE'S, YEAH, HE'S KIND OF POINTING THAT OUT.
SO WE HAVE ACCESSIBILITY THROUGH THROUGHOUT THIS SITE.
UH, IF THERE ALSO IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES THAT NEED TO GET ON THE SITE, THEY CAN UTILIZE SOUTH WAREHOUSE LANE, PULL UP JUST BEYOND THE SECONDARY ACCESS.
AND VEHICLES CAN COME AND GO OFF OF SOUTH WAREHOUSE LANE AND INTO THE PARKING LOT AND LOOP AROUND.
UH, SO THAT, THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS PROVIDE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR ACCESSIBILITY TO A RESPONSE.
UH, IRV, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, RESPONDERS AND, UM, WE, AND, AND IRV HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN DOING MOCK UH, RESPONSES IN CONJUNCTION WITH FIRE RESPONDERS.
HAPPY TO EDUCATE THE RESPONDERS THAT ARE IN, IN, UM, GREENBERG HOW TO RESPOND TO THIS FACILITY.
THERE'S, THERE'S SO MANY WAYS IN AND OUT OF THIS SITE THAT, UH, WE CAN RESPOND TO ANY EMERGENCY.
AND WE ALSO HAVE AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN, UH, THAT'S ON SITE.
SO WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE ON SITE THAT ARE ACTUALLY CAPABLE OF PULLING SOMEBODY TO SAFETY SO THAT THEY CAN GET TO A RESPONDER.
IRV, DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ON, ON SOME OF THE PROCEDURES AND THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE USE AT THA? CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE ME.
I DON'T THINK I CAN GET THE CAMERA WORKING HERE.
UM, UH, REALLY, PETER, YOU DID A GOOD JOB WITH THAT.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE TRAINING WE DO THERE.
EVERYBODY HAS TO BE FIRST DAY TRAINED AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT ON SITE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ANY SITUATION, INCLUDING STRETCHERS, UM, AND FIRST AID EQUIPMENT TO GET ANYBODY RESCUED AS, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A COURSE, THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THERE, UH, I'VE DONE THIS AT ANOTHER QUARRY IS WHERE WE'VE COME IN AND RAN TRAINING SESSIONS BETWEEN THE COMPANIES THEMSELVES AND OUTSIDE FIRST RESPONDERS TO HELP THEM PRACTICE JAW OF LIFE, ET CETERA, AND USE SOME OF OUR EQUIPMENT FOR EXTRACTION OR SETTING UP THE TRAINING SEMINARS.
UM, IRV ONE THING, WHAT ELSE CAN I ADDRESS? YEAH, ONE THING FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU JUST, UH, STATE YOUR CREDENTIALS HERE FOR THE BOARD? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WORK WITH CATAMOUNT CONSULTING.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR A LITTLE OVER SEVEN YEARS.
BEFORE THAT, I'VE SPENT 43 YEARS ACTIVE IN THE MINING INDUSTRIES WHERE I'VE DONE EVERYTHING FROM SCRAPING OFF THE BOTTOM OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT TO BEING THE CEO.
SO IN REVIEWING THE CODE, THE NEW YORK STATE CODE, I MEAN, WE FEEL WE HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE SITE NOW.
THERE'S SOME IMPRACTICALITIES WITH REGARD TO THIS SITE.
UM, GETTING, GETTING AROUND TO THE OUTSIDE JUST BECAUSE OF THE GRADE.
WE HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE ROADWAY THAT GOES UP TO THE TOP OF SOME OF THE STOCKPILES THAT'S 26
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FEET WIDE.AND THERE'S ALSO ABILITY TO TURN AROUND.
WE WOULD NEVER NEED OR REQUIRE, UH, A HOOK AND LADDER TO GET UP TO THAT TOP PERIMETER OF, OF THE SITE, ALL THE EQUIPMENT, ALL OF THE MATERIALS.
CAN YOU JUST POINT THAT OUT? POINT THAT, YEAH, YEAH.
UM, I MEAN, YOU CAN TELL ME, RIGHT? SO IF WHERE YOUR MOUSE IS RIGHT THERE, THE, THE MAIN PORTION OF THE FACILITY, THE PLANT IS THERE THAT CAN BE ACCESSED FROM THE FRONT.
UM, AND IF YOU GO TO WHERE THE, THE KIND OF THE RED BUILDINGS ARE FOR THE STORAGE FACILITIES IN THE BACK, THOSE ARE ALL ACCESSIBLE THROUGH AND, AND BY THE HAMMERHEAD, YOU CAN, YOU'RE SAYING BY THIS POINT EXACTLY.
THAT CAN ALL BE ACCESSED FOR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN THERE.
THERE'S NO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BULK, BULK PETROLEUM STORAGE.
WE HAVE A SPILL PREVENTION COUNTERMEASURE PLAN THAT'S ON SITE IN THE EVENT OF ANY KIND OF A SPILL.
UH, THAT WAS, I THINK, IN YOUR DOCUMENTATION.
I THINK WE, UH, WE PROVIDED THAT.
UH, BUT THE ACCESSIBILITY FOR THIS IS REALLY AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE.
THAT'S WHERE ANYTHING THAT EVER COULD GO WRONG WOULD, WOULD, WOULD HAPPEN AT, AT THE MAJOR PORTIONS OF THE PLANT.
UH, ANYTHING OTHER THAN, UH, ANY WITH EVEN THE, UH, SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC AS A FIRE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO GET TOO CLOSE TO THE, AND, AND WE, WE INVITED THE FIRE CHIEF TO COME OUT AND DO A, A DRY RUN WITH US, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM COME OUT SO THAT THEY CAN EDUCATE THEMSELVES TO THE SITE.
UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFICULTIES THAT, UH, THE MINING INDUSTRY HAS AND INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY ON, ON DIFFERENT FACILITIES HAVE IS THAT RESPONDERS GET HURT TRYING TO RESPOND TO RESPOND TO FIRES OR RESPOND TO EMERGENCIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THE SITE VERY WELL.
SO WE'RE OFFERING MOCK TRAINING SESSIONS FOR THEM TO COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT HOW THEY CAN RESPOND TO A CERTAIN, UH, CATASTROPHE.
UH, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE THAT, THAT FALLS ON THE STOCKPILE, IF, YOU KNOW, YOU DO A MOCK, A MOCK FIRE, HOW ARE THEY GONNA RESPOND AND HOW ARE THEY GONNA SAFELY PUT OUT THE FIRE? SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR EVERYBODY TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO RESPOND TO ANY TYPE OF EMERGENCY.
HERE WE FEEL WE HAVE PLENTY OF ACCESSIBILITY TO THE SITE AND AROUND THE SITE.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE, THE ELMSFORD FIRE DISTRICT? THAT'S CORRECT.
ONE OTHER THING WITH, UM, WITH THE ZONING BOARD, UM, WE DID GO OUT AND DO A SITE WALK WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ELMSFORD FIRE DEPARTMENT.
BACK THEN, THE ONE RESPONSE THE CHIEF AT THE TIME MADE IS THAT IN 27 YEARS, HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THE SITE WAS THERE.
SO THERE'S NEVER BEEN A RESPONSE.
EVERYONE IS TAUGHT, TAUGHT FIRST AID.
WE'RE ALL SSHA CERTIFIED SO THAT WE, WE ARE TRAINED TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES.
SSHA IS, UH, INSTEAD OF OSHA, OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH ORGANIZATION, IT'S THE MINE SAFETY HEALTH ASSOCIATION.
BECAUSE PEOPLE DIE IN OUR INDUSTRY.
WE HAVE A 0.59 WORKMAN'S COMP MOD.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SAFETY IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY THAT WE, WE DO HERE.
SO WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH ANY OF THE FIRE THAT WE NEED TO REGARDING THE TESTING.
'CAUSE THAT WAS ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP HERE.
WELL, MAYBE PERHAPS BEFORE WE GET TO THE TESTING, UM, YOU SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU, YOU ALSO OPERATE MONTROSE.
AND I KNOW EARLIER THIS YEAR THERE WAS A FIRE THERE, WHICH RESULTED IN, I THINK, CHEMICAL DECAMP DECONTAMINATION OF SEVERAL FIREFIGHTERS.
SO, SO, SO I'M GETTING AT THE CONCERNS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE MAY BE VALID AS FAR AS CHEMICAL STORAGE IN THE REAR OF THE SITE.
AND, UM, ACCESSING THAT AREA, AGAIN AT THE MONTROSE SITE, UM, NO ONE WAS INJURED AT THE SITE.
THERE WAS A FIRE, THE, UM, THE FIRE WAS PUT OUT.
THERE WERE NO HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS AT THE SITE, ET CETERA.
UM, EVERYTHING WAS DONE AS IN PRECAUTION.
'CAUSE WE ARE ALWAYS SUPER CONSERVATIVE, BUT THERE ARE NO HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS AT THE SITE.
EVERYTHING HERE AT THIS SITE IS, UH, GOT PERMITS FOR EVERY CHEMICAL THAT WE HAVE.
I GUESS THE PETROLEUM BULK STORAGE WOULD BE THE BIGGEST CONCERN.
THAT AGAIN, IS CON GUT CONTAINMENT.
SECONDARY CONTAINMENT WITH, UM, AND IT'S ALL WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY PERMITS OPERATION.
I BELIEVE THE MONTROSE IS A DIFFERENT OPERATION.
THE OPERATION IN MONTROSE IS A DIFFERENT OPERATION.
I MEAN THAT, AND, AND WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BECAUSE I THINK, AND I, AND, AND I WASN'T, I WASN'T, UM, INVOLVED IN ANY OF THE, UH, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESPONSES TO THE FIRE AND, AND WHAT HAPPENED.
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THE, THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE STORED ON SITE, AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN CHEMICALS, THEY'RE ADDITIVES AND THEY'RE NOT HAZARDOUS.THEY'RE USED IN THE, THE MANUFACTURING OF THE CONCRETE.
AND, UH, THERE WAS MELTING OF THAT, OF SOME OF THE CONTAINERS.
AND AS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF THE FIRE, BUT IT WAS FULLY CONTAINED.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRY TO DO IN OUR EDUCATION OF RESPONDERS IS, IS NOT TO GO OVERBOARD WITH ANYTHING THAT MIGHT P-P-F-A-S, UH, TO RESPOND TO ANY KIND OF A FIRE THAT MIGHT NOT BE NEEDED.
A LOT OF THESE SITES THAT WE WORK ON CAN ACTUALLY BURN OUT WITH NO HAZARD TO ANYTHING AROUND THEM AND ALLOW THEM TO, TO PUT THEMSELVES OUT WITHOUT, AND, AND YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO USE WATER.
IRV, MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THIS, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS, UH, IF THERE'S NO EDUCATION BY THE RESPONDERS, THEY JUST GO AT IT WITH EVERYTHING.
AND, AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE IN OUR, OUR TEAM, UH, AND WE JUST, WE JUST ACQUIRED THE SITE.
SO WE DID HAVE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANY TRAINING WITH ANY OF THE RESPONDERS PRIOR TO THE FIRE.
IT WAS AN UNFORTUNATE, UM, EVENT THAT HAPPENED.
BUT WE ARE REALLY GOOD AT MAKING SURE THAT WE INFORM AND WORK WITH THE RESPONDERS FROM THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO FIGHT ANY KIND OF EVENT THAT MIGHT OCCUR SO THAT NO ONE GETS HURT.
NO ONE WAS HURT IN THE, IN THIS FIRE.
AND, AND IT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
UNRELATED, COMPLETELY ION SEPARATE ISSUE, UNRELATED, AND NOBODY WAS HURT.
AND YOU SAID, SO I WANNA CLARIFY, YOU SAID THAT IT'S A SEPARATE OPERATION, MEANING, AND THAT YOU JUST ACQUIRED THE SITE.
WHAT DID YOU MEAN BY THAT SOMEBODY ELSE WAS OPERATING IT OTHER THAN YOU IT WASN'T EVEN THE DAKOTA FACILITY.
WAS BEING, WAS OPERATED BY ANOTHER COMPANY.
WE HAD JUST MOVED IN AND, UM, WE'RE OPERATING THAT SITE.
IT IS NOT A FAIL INDUSTRY SITE.
IT'S A CONCRETE FACILITY THAT IS RUN BY A, A SISTER COMPANY.
IT'S A COMPANY I OWN THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM FAIL INDUSTRIES.
IT SOUNDS IRRELEVANT TO THIS THEN.
BUT IS IT, OR IS, I MEAN, IT DOES SOUND IRRELEVANT TO THIS, BUT I, I I WANNA KNOW IF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I WANNA KNOW WHY.
SO IT'S A SIMILAR TYPE FACILITY THAT THEY OWN, THAT THEY SPOKE ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, THAT IT'S ONE OF THE COMPANIES THAT THEY OWN.
SO KNOWING THAT THERE WAS A FIRE EARLIER THIS YEAR, I MADE THE PAPERS, UH, TALKED ABOUT CHEMICAL DECONTAMINATION OF FIREFIGHTERS.
I THINK IT TIES IT BACK TO REQUESTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE REGARDING ACCESS TO THE STORAGE OF THE CHEMICALS AT THE REAR OF THE SITE, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU SPOKE ABOUT BEING PERMITTED, BUT I BELIEVE YOU ALSO NEED BUILDING DEPARTMENT PERMITS FOR THOSE STORAGE OF HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, THAT DURING THE ZONING BOARD PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO DO.
WE HAVE A, A SET OF BUILDING DEPARTMENT PLANS THAT ARE PART OF YOUR SET BUILDING BLDG ONE, UM, THAT IDENTIFIES AND INVENTORIES ALL THE MATERIALS THAT ARE STORED ON SITE.
WE DO HAVE A SPILL PREVENTION COUNTERMEASURE PLAN, UM, FOR THE CONCRETE FACILITY THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF.
UM, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS NOW, UH, IN THE TOWN OF COURTLAND.
UM, GOING BACK, GOING BACK ON AFTER THE FACT, UH, BUILDING, BUILDING PLANS AND, AND BUILDING PERMITS THAT WERE, WERE NEVER FILED INITIALLY.
UM, WE'RE UPDATING ALL THOSE AS THE NEW OPERATOR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOWN OF CORLAND.
WE JUST HAD A MEETING TODAY, AS A MATTER OF FACT.
SO WE JUST INHERITED THIS SITE AND WE JUST, AND WE, WE TOOK IT OVER AS OPERATIONALLY, UH, FROM AN OPERATION STANDPOINT.
AND, UH, WE'RE BRINGING IT UP TO CODE COMPLIANCE.
THE FIRE WAS UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT WAS A SEPARATE EVENT, BUT NO ONE WAS HURT.
AND, UH, FIRST RESPONDERS DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THERE WAS A DECONTAMINATION BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE, UH, A LISTING OF THE CHEMICALS THAT WERE ACTUALLY BEING USED IN THE CONCRETE FACILITY.
SO THEY WENT OVERBOARD ON WHAT THEY, UH, WHAT THEY USED TO, UM, FIGHT THE FIRE WITH.
IF THEY HAD HAD A, ANY KIND OF A MATERIAL LIST, UH, ON SITE, THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO GO OVERBOARD WITH THE, THE DECONTAMINATION PIECE.
BUT AGAIN, THAT IS A SEPARATE COMPANY.
UM, YOUR, UH, YOUR MHA OVERSIGHT, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S QUITE EXTENSIVE MM-HMM
UM, HOW FREQUENTLY DO THEY COME ON SITE? DO THEY DO INSPECTIONS? DO THEY, WHAT SORT OF TRAINING DO YOU HAVE FOR THAT? UM, I'M JUST INTERESTED IN IT.
SO I, BECAUSE SAFETY IS OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, OUR, OUR EMPLOYEES ARE SSHA CERTIFIED.
SO MEANING THAT WE DO ANNUAL TRAINING, UM, IRV AND IRV CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
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THAN OSHA.UM, WE VOLUNTARILY HOLD EVERYTHING TO SSHA STANDARDS BECAUSE IT IS STRICTER THAN OSHA STANDARDS.
AND I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO GET HURT.
MY JOB IS FOR PEOPLE TO GO HOME HEALTHIER THAN WHEN THEY COME HERE.
SO WE TRAIN WITH, WE TRAIN ELM SSHA, IRV COMES OUT, WE DO UNANNOUNCED MOCK SSHA INSPECTIONS AT EVERY FACILITY WE OWN EVERY MONTH, TOTALLY UNANNOUNCED.
THEY GET A REPORT AND THEY COME IN AS IF IT WERE SSHA, AND WE GO DO THE WALKTHROUGH AS IF SSHA WOULD DO.
AND SSHA IS MUCH STRICTER THAN OSHA.
SO, AND THAT'S VOLUNTARILY BY US.
SO IT'S THINGS LIKE BACKUP, SAFETY, RF.
DO YOU WANT, UM, MAYBE COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ON THE TRAINING SESSIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, TO STAFF ON A REGULAR BASIS? UH, SURE.
FIRST OF ALL, WE START OFF WITH THE YEARLY TRAINING, AS GLEN MENTIONED, WHICH, WHICH I, I USUALLY PARTICIPATE IN.
UM, IT, IT, IT'S EIGHT HOURS LONG AND GENERALLY COVERS CURRENT EVENTS, UH, EVENTS OF INTEREST THAT AMISHA MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THAT YEAR, UH, WHICH, WHICH MY COMPANY FINDS OUT ABOUT.
WE TEND TO HAVE COMMUNICATIONS WITH, WITH THE MINE SAFETY AND HEALTH ADMINISTRATION, BOTH IN THE, UH, UM, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL THE ALBANY OFFICE.
AND THEN I'M DOWN IN KUTZTOWN PLUS WE'VE ALSO BEEN DOWN TO THEIR TRAINING ACADEMY EVERY YEAR.
MATTER OF FACT, YESTERDAY I WAS, UH, HAD A NICE COMMUNICATION WITH, UH, ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT, UH, RUNS ONE OF THE TRAINING OFFICES AT THEIR ACADEMY.
UH, SO WE GO OVER, UH, TOPICS OF INTEREST, ANYTHING THAT SEEMS TO BE A HOT POINT FOR THE YEAR, WE TRY TO REVIEW OTHER THINGS, COMPLACENCY, UH, WHICH CAN OCCUR.
WE DON'T GET TIRED AND BOARDED OUR JOBS.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, GLEN MENTIONED, I'M THERE AS A MATTER OF FACT, PLEASE DON'T TELL ANYBODY, BUT I'LL BE THERE TOMORROW,
I ALSO TRY TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE TO TRY TO GET A GOOD FEEL OF THE EMPLOYEE'S ATTITUDES.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UM, AND I'VE BEEN VERY TOUCHED BY THIS.
I REMEMBER ONE TIME, A FEW, UM, OH, I DON'T KNOW, SOME TIME AGO AT ONE OF THE DIFFERENT SITES I MENTIONED THAT THEY DID SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN UP TO CODE.
AND I THINK GLEN FLEW BACK HERE, IMMEDIATELY.
WENT BACK BECAUSE HE GETS, GLEN IS LIKE NUMBER ONE ON MY BULLET LIST.
WHEN I DO A REPORT, IT GOES TO HIM, IT GOES TO EVERYBODY ON THE BULLET, EVERYBODY.
SO THEY CAN ALL SEE ANY OF THE DEFICIENCIES AND THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT I FIND AT EACH PLANT.
AND WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, LIFT UP THE DEFICIENCIES, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE GUYS THAT, AND THE WOMEN THAT COME UP WITH A VERY GOOD IDEA AND THAT COME UP WITH GOOD PERFORMANCE.
UH, TODAY WAS EXCEPTIONAL, GLENN.
CAN YOU JUST BE SPECIFIC ON SOME OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TRAINING PIECES ON, ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SPECIFICS? UH, AMERICAN RED CROSS FIRST AID TRAINING.
WE DO THAT EVERY OTHER YEAR AS PART OF THEIR TRAINING.
UM, WE COME IN, WE DO HEARING PROTECTION.
UH, WE JUST DID, UH, DUST MONITORING IN ONE OF THE FACILITIES.
WE COULD GO OVER, WE'LL GO OVER, THERE ARE ABOUT 26,000 STANDARDS ON THE MSHA, UH, CODE OF VIOLATIONS.
IT'S SOME 30, 30 CFR IS THE CODE OF VIOLATIONS FOR, UH, MINING INDUSTRY.
WE USUALLY WILL KEY IN ON ABOUT THE TOP 20 TO EVERY YEAR.
SO YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT, LIKE, I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY REVERSE ALARMS. UM, ARE THEY PRESENT OR ARE THEY ADEQUATE? UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT STOCKPILES.
UM, WE LOOK AT WORKING AT HEIGHTS.
WE LOOK AT WORKING AROUND HEAVY EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE IN THE MINE, SAFETY AND HAZARD ADMINISTRATION.
THAT'S ONE OF THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES.
'CAUSE FOR DECADES IN MY CAREER, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS ALWAYS ONE OF THE HUGE ISSUES OF SOMEBODY WORKING AROUND HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
IT'S, IT'S SO EASY FOR MISTAKE.
AND I HAVE TO COMMENT, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A SAFER GROUP THERE AT THAN AT ELMSFORD.
UM, THERE ARE PEOPLE WATCHING OUT RIGHT AND LEFT FOR THE MACHINERY COMING IN.
AND AS I MIGHT ADD, OH, YOU GUYS WERE WORRYING ABOUT TURNING AROUND.
I HAVE A NOTE HERE THAT I, I WANTED TO SPEAK ON JUST FOR A SENTENCE OR TWO.
YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT TURNING AROUND YOUR FIRE TRUCKS? I WATCH TRACTOR TRAILERS COME IN THERE, DUMP THEIR LOADS, TURN AROUND AND DRIVE OUT WITH ANOTHER LOAD EVERY TIME I'M THERE.
WELL, YOU HAVE STRAIGHT JOBS AXLES THAT CAN TURN.
SO GOING BACK TO THAT, WE, WE'D DISCOVER, UH, UH, EQUIPMENT SAFETY.
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WHAT, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE DONE SOME FIRE TESTING, UH, JUST, JUST SOME FIRE TRAINING, WHAT TO DO ABOUT, UM, UH, WHAT TO DO IN ADVANCE OF FIRE.UH, SOME HAZMAT, I HAVE HAZMAT ON THE BOOK FOR THIS COMING YEAR.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR DO YOU NEED SOMETHING ELSE? NO, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO MHE, DO YOU ALSO HAVE OSHA OVERSIGHT? OSHA OVERSIGHT, SINCE YOU'VE GOT LIKE DOUBLE THE, I'M AN OS I'M OSHA 30, UH, OSHA 30 TRAIN.
I HAVE WORKED, UH, AS AN, AS AN O IN O UNDER OSHA AS A SAFETY MANAGER AT TWO DIFFERENT SITES.
ONE WAS IN IOWA AND ANOTHER ONE WAS IN OHIO.
SO THEY'RE VERY COMPARABLE WHAT THEY COVER.
IT MAY BE WORDED SLIGHTLY DIFFERENCE.
UH, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE MORE HERE AND THERE.
THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS SSHA COMES OUT AND INSPECTS OSHA DOES NOT.
AND SSHA, IT ACTUALLY WILL BE THERE ON SITE TWICE A YEAR AT AN SSHA SITE.
SO YOU, YOU, IT KEEPS YOU SHARPER.
AND I HOPE IN SOME WAY MY BILL, MY GOING IN THERE POINTING OUT WHAT'S WRONG, TAKING PICTURES, SHOWING IT TO THE PEOPLE AND TALKING TO PEOPLE, KEEPS 'EM A LITTLE BETTER.
AND IT SEEMS TO, UM, AND ALSO LIKE PEOPLE CAN REPORT TO OSHA AND TO MSHA, YOUR EMPLOYEES CAN REPORT TO THEM.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING UNSAFE HAPPENING, THEN THERE'S AN OSHA VIOLATION, AN SSHA VIOLATION.
AND THEN YOU'RE PRO PROSECUTED THROUGH THE FEDERAL GOV, THE FEDERAL AGENCIES AS WELL.
THAT'S, YOU'VE GOT MORE OVERSIGHT THEN.
BUT JUST ONE THING I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE PHYSICAL ACCESS TO THE SITE, BUT IT'S ALSO THE TRAINING OF THE RESPONDERS.
AND IF THE FIRE CHIEF IS NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE ACCESS AND THE PHYSICAL ACCESS THAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE ARE COMPLICATIONS HERE.
IT'S A SMALL SITE AND IT'S A TIGHT SITE.
BUT THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY SAFE WAYS TO RESPOND TO ANY KIND OF EMERGENCY HERE.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE THEM, UH, COMFORTABLE IN, IN THAT.
NOT JUST FROM A PHYSICAL STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO FROM A OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT.
YEAH, YOU WANNA BE A PARTNER, SO.
SO I KNOW YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SSHA AND THE OSHA AND ALL THE TRAINING AND THAT, THAT'S WONDERFUL.
UM, HOW ABOUT TRAINING OR, OR ANYTHING, UM, RECORDS AND REPORTS REGARDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OVER THE LAST 20 SOMETHING YEARS THAT YOU'VE OPERATED THERE? THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE.
THEY'VE NEVER, RIGHT, WE'VE NEVER HAD A FIRE RESPONSE.
I'M TALKING ABOUT TRAINING OR, OR ANY DRY RUNS OR INTERACTIONS OR, SO WHEN WE, WE DID DO A VISIT JUST
WE DID DO A V AND I APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE PETER WAS NOT AT THE SITE VISIT.
WHEN THEY CAME, THEY CAME OUT, WE LOOKED AT IT, THEY TOLD US, UM, WHAT THEY WANTED.
THE IDEA WAS AS SOON AS WE GET OUR PERMIT FINALIZED, WE WILL COME OUT HERE AND DO LIVE TRAINING.
SO THAT IS OPEN AND OFFERED TO THEM.
I'LL ALSO TELL YOU ONE OTHER THING THAT, UM, I JUST, TODAY I MET WITH MY EMPLOYEES.
I ACTUALLY GAVE OUR EMPLOYEES ALL DIVIDEND CHECKS TODAY BECAUSE WE GOT A DIVIDEND BACK FROM OUR WORKMAN'S COMP PROVIDER BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN SO SAFE.
AND THAT I LOOK AT THAT AS, THAT'S NOT MY MONEY.
I MEAN, IT IS MY MONEY FOR THE COMPANY, BUT YOU GUYS WERE SAFE.
I GAVE ALL THAT MONEY BACK TO THE EMPLOYEES.
SO TODAY WE GAVE THAT MONEY BACK TO THEM.
SECOND, I TELL THEM EVERYBODY, IF YOU ARE EVER IN AN UNSAFE SITUATION OR FEEL YOU ARE UNSAFE, IT IS YOUR OBLIGATION TO NOT DO IT AND TO REPORT IT TO YOUR, YOUR SUPERVISOR.
SO SAFETY IS THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ARE, ARE TRAINING SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONDITIONED? UM, YOU MEAN FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE CHAIR HAPPY IF THEY'RE WILLING.
I I THINK THEY ALSO ASKED ABOUT LABELING THE CONTAINERS THOUGH.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT NECESSARILY MADE IT INTO THEIR EMAIL, BUT IT WAS, WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
DID YOU SAY LABELING THE CONTAIN? YES.
LABELING THE CONTAINERS? I THINK THEY, I THINK, I THINK, UH, IRV DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT LABELS ON CONTAINERS? NO, NO.
JUST THAT THEY HAD REQUESTED THAT THEY BE LABELED.
SO WHEN THERE'S A I THINK THEY ARE OKAY.
I THEY ARE, THEY SHOULD BE ON SITE.
YEAH, THEY, YEAH, THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT LABELS ON 'EM.
AND THEN, UM, THE HOURS GETTING LATE.
BUT YOU HAD MR. BRENER ON TO TALK ABOUT TESTING.
KEN, ARE YOU STILL HERE? YES, I'M STILL HERE.
KEN, UM, THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT TESTING AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE DO ALL THE, CAN YOU JUST TALK ABOUT OUR TESTING AND HOW WE TEST THE DEC STANDARDS AND GIVE, MAYBE GIVE THEM YOUR BACKGROUND? YES.
I'M PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, LICENSED IN NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY, AND CONNECTICUT.
I WORKED NOW FOR WAL ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING, BUT I WORKED FOR NEW YORK STATE DEC FROM 1988 ALL THE WAY TO 2022, ENDING UP AS THE REGIONAL MATERIALS MANAGEMENT ENGINEER FOR REGION TWO, NEW YORK STATE DEC THAT COVERS
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NEW YORK CITY.MY AREA AS WAS COVERING SOLID WASTE, HAZARDOUS WASTE AND PESTICIDES FOR ALL SOLID WASTE FACILITIES IN NEW YORK CITY.
AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES THAT WOULD NORMALLY REGULATE THE REGULATIONS CHANGED IN JULY, 2023 TO VERY SPECIFICALLY HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FILL MATERIAL.
AND FOR THE FILL MATERIAL FOR THIS, THIS FACILITY WOULD BE OPERATING AS A CD FACILITY UNDER 360 1 DASH FIVE.
AND IS REQUIREMENTS FOR WHEN THEY IMPORT MATERIAL THAT THEIR, WHEN, SORRY, WHEN THEY EXPORT MATERIAL THAT THEY HAVE TO DO CHEMICAL TESTING THAT'S PRESCRIBED IN THE REGULATIONS.
EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO LOOK AT IT FOR THE CARCINOGENIC OR FOR THE, UH, THE SEMI VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS AND METALS.
AND THEY HAVE VERY SPECIFICALLY, DEPENDING ON THE RESULTS OF THAT, OF THOSE CHEMICAL RESULTS OF HOW THAT MATERIAL CAN BE USED.
I CAN GO THROUGH AND SPEND A GOOD HALF AN HOUR, AN HOUR GOING THROUGH IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BORE YOU WITH THE DETAILS.
BUT FAIL IS GONNA BE TO HA IS REQUIRED BY STATE REGULATION 360 TO DO THAT CHEMICAL TESTING BEFORE THAT MATERIAL CAN BE EXPORTED FROM THE SITE AND SENT FOR REUSE.
WE HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP FROM THE ZONING BOARD ABOUT US TAKING PETROLEUM CONTAMINATED OR HAZARDOUS WASTE ON SITES BECAUSE WE DO WORK WITH AMERICAN PETROLEUM.
WE HAD THE CEO OF AMERICAN PETROLEUM CAME ON ANY OF THESE SITES, THE DEC HAS PEOPLE ON SITE.
WE ARE NOT PERMITTED TO TAKE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL, CONTAMINATED MATERIAL.
AND WHEN WE FIRST, I, I WANT I I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT GWEN GLENN SPECIFICALLY THIS FACILITY, THE REGULATIONS IN THERE PRECLUDE FROM PATROL AND CONTAINER MATERIAL AND THIS CANNOT TAKE ANY HAZARDOUS WASTE.
SO IF THEY WERE TO TAKE ANYTHING THAT'S A HAZARDOUS WASTE AS DEFINED UNDER PART 3 71, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLA SEVERE VIOLATION FOR THEM.
AND ACTUALLY BASED ON THIS SITE PLAN THAT I'M SEEING HERE, THERE'S NOTHING HERE AT THIS SITE THAT'S HAZARDOUS WASTE.
THE OILS, THE WASTE OILS, ET CETERA, THE DIESEL FUEL, THOSE ARE NOT HAZARDOUS WASTE.
SO THIS IS A SOLID WASTE FACILITY ACCEPTING SOLID WASTE, WHICH IS GONNA BE SOIL, ROCK, BRICK, CONCRETE AND SOME MAYBE SOME, SOME COULD HAVE SOME ASPHALT MIXED IN WITH IT.
BUT THIS IS NOT HAZARDOUS WASTE.
ANYTHING WITH HAZARDOUS WASTE IS PRECLUDED BY REGULATION AND WOULD REQUIRE MUCH DIFFERENT PERMITS WITH THE, THEY DON'T HAVE, SO THEY CANNOT TAKE THAT.
SO IF MATERIAL A LOAD CAME IN THAT LOOKS AS THE SMELL PETROLEUM LOOKS LIKE PETROLEUM, THEY'RE OBLIGATED TO REJECT IT AT THE GATE TO SAY GET IT OUT OF HERE.
AND THIS IS REALLY NOT A SITE PLAN ISSUE.
IT'S ALREADY MANDATED IN YOUR, UNDER OUR SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND WE CAN'T ACCEPT THIS.
SO GLAD WE ANSWERED IT, BUT THIS IS SOMEWHAT OFF TOPIC.
ALRIGHT, SO IT IS NOW 10 O'CLOCK.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF? SO I THINK JUST, UM, THE STORAGE, SOME OF THE STORAGE WAS SHOWN ON THE PLAT.
IT WAS UPDATED, UH, PLAN THAT WAS UPDATED.
UM, IT SHOWED THE CONED PILES.
IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN LIKE WHAT'S CONTAINED IN THOSE, I KNOW YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT THERE'S MIX WITH ASPHALT AND THAT NATURE.
THERE WAS NOTHING IDENTIFIED IN THERE SHOWING ASPHALT STORAGE.
ALTHOUGH I DO KNOW THE ZBA DID APPROVE, I BELIEVE STORAGE OF ASPHALT TO BE TAKEN TO YOUR OTHER FACILITY POTENTIALLY.
SO WE FOR 27 YEARS, UM, ACCEPTED ASPHALT AND WE, OUR PERMIT THAT WE HAVE RUNS FROM THE DEC PERMIT, WE, WE GOT A DEC PERMIT AFTER WE CAME HERE.
WE FOR 25 YEARS ACCEPTED ASPHALT AT THE SITE.
AT OUR FIRST MEETING WITH THE, THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, SOME OF THE PEOPLE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT ASPHALT.
ASPHALT IS ENCOURAGED TO BE RECYCLED BY THE DEC.
WE VOLUNTARILY SAID, IF YOU DON'T WANT US TO TAKE ASPHALT, IF THAT WOULD MAKE YOU WELL, LET'S COME.
WE WILL VOLUNTARILY AGREE NOT TO TAKE ASPHALT AT THAT POINT WE DID THAT, I DID NOT KNOW WE'D BE HERE TWO YEARS LATER STILL GOING ON.
UM, BUT WE DO RECYCLE ASPHALT AT THE SITE.
WE, WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY TAKEN IT AND SENT IT TO OUR ASPHALT PLANT IN FISH GILL BECAUSE FROM DID YOU TAKE THE ASPHALT? WE TAKE THE ASPHALT.
IN FACT, TOWN OF GREENBURG WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT CAME IN TO TRY THE DUMB ASPHALT.
AND WE TOLD THEM WE CAN'T TAKE YOUR ASPHALT.
AND THEY WERE, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH IT? I SAID,
SO WHO ELSE WAS YOUR ASPHALT? WE EVERY MUNICIPALITY OUT HERE, UM, WE'VE GOT TAKEN ASPHALT FROM EVERY MUNICIPALITY.
WHEN THEY DID THE ROAD ON ROUTE NINE IN FRONT OF US, THEY MILLED THE ASPHALT ON ROUTE NINE.
WE TOOK IT, TRANSFERRED THE ASPHALT UP TO OUR ASPHALT PLANT.
IT WENT BACK INTO THE ROAD THAT IT CAME OUT OF.
I'M JUST ASKING FOR YOU TO IDENTIFY WHERE ON THE SITE IT'S GONNA BE.
'CAUSE IT, IT MENTIONS ROCK SOIL LOAD PUT
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UP.IF YOU COULD JUST IDENTIFY THE PLACE YOU WANNA PUT UP, PUT UP SITE, UH, THE CLA SP ANY OF THE PICTURES WE CAN GO AND I CAN TELL YOU.
ZOOM IN A LITTLE BACK SOME QUESTIONS BY THE TOWN ENGINEER REGARDING GOT IT.
SO TO SHOW THE PICTURE, SO YOU HAVE THREE TYPES OF MATERIAL.
THAT BIG PINK MATERIAL ON THE RIGHT, THE DASH, THE DOTTED LINE TO THE RIGHT THERE THAT IS PILE A IS INCOMING MATERIAL.
SO THAT IS ROCK OR CONCRETE, THAT IS INCOMING.
PILE B, THE PORTABLE SCREENING PLAN AREA THAT IS CONED MIXED LOADS.
SO THE KEY THING WITH WHEN YOU RUN A, A RECYCLING FACILITY LIKE US AND I TOLD YOU WE ARE A VIRTUAL QUARRY BECAUSE WE RESELL THE PRODUCT AS CONSTRUCTION PRODUCTS.
WE NEED TO KEEP EVERYTHING SEGREGATED.
SO WE KEEP CONCRETE IN ONE PILE, ROCK IN ANOTHER PILE, ASPHALT IN A THIRD PILE.
THE FOURTH PILE WE HAVE IS THIS PORT, THIS CON ED MIXED LOADS.
AND IT'S STUFF THAT'S DUG FROM THE STREET FROM CON ED.
WE SCREEN THE MATERIAL THERE SO WE GET ANY OF THE CONCRETE AND ROCK OUT.
WE CAN, WE, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP EVERYTHING AS SEGREGATED AS POSSIBLE.
THE, UH, YELLOW CIRCLES AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ONE, TWO, THERE'S HALF A DOZEN OF 'EM, MAYBE MORE.
THAT IS PRODUCT THAT IS EITHER FINISHED, CRUSHED PRODUCT ALREADY OR USED TO BE, UH, PLAIN ASPHALT.
WHEN ASPHALT WOULD COME, WE WOULD KEEP THE ASPHALT SEGREGATE AGAIN, REMEMBER THEY WOULD DUMP THE ASPHALT IN THE TRUCK.
THAT TRUCK WOULD EVENTUALLY GET LOADED UP WITH THAT RAW ASPHALT THAT WOULD GO UP TO OUR ASPHALT PLANT.
SO IT CAN BE REUSED AND PUT BACK INTO THE SYSTEM AND NOT TAKEN TO A LANDFILL.
ASPHALT IS A BIG PROBLEM TO GET RID OF.
YEAH, JUST LIKE I SAID, JUST UPDATE ON YOUR PLAN.
ANY I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IS THE, UNDER THE NEW YORK STATE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT PLANT.
THEY'RE ENCOURAGING THE RECYCLING AND ONE OF THE MOST RECYCLABLE MATERIALS IS ASPHALT BECAUSE IF THEY CAN BE ABLE TO TAKE THE ASPHALT, AS GLEN TALKED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH A NINE, A PROJECT WHERE THEY, THEY TAKE IT OFF THE STREET, THEY PUT IT INTO AN ASPHALT PLANT AND IT GOES RIGHT BACK ON THE STREET.
SO IT'S HIGHLY ENCOURAGED AND IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOWED AND ENCOURAGED TO HAPPEN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO SEND THAT MATERIAL, WHICH IS A RECYCLABLE MATERIAL TO A LANDFILL.
SO NEW YORK STATE AS A, AS A POLICY IS SAYING CLEARLY THAT WE WANT THIS MATERIAL TO BE REUSED IN A BENEFICIAL WAY.
BUT I BELIEVE THE INITIAL SPECIAL PERMIT FROM 2001 DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR ASPHALT.
WELL, I WOULD DISAGREE WITH, EXCUSE ME.
I WOULD IS THE NEW ONE ALLOWS THAT'S TRUE.
IT'S IRRELEVANT, BUT IT'S IRRELEVANT TO THE NEW ONE.
SO, UM, AGAIN, PLEASE LOOK THROUGH THE MINUTES FROM THE, THE AUGUST 4TH, AUGUST 4TH MEETING.
UH, PLEASE LOOK THROUGH THE MEMO FROM DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR GARRITY.
IF THERE'S ANY OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS, PLEASE GET YOUR RESPONSES IN BY MONDAY, UH, SEPTEMBER 22ND.
THANK YOU GUYS VERY, VERY MUCH.
UM, IF, IF I CAN JUST KEEP EVERYONE FOR, FOR ONE OTHER MINUTE.
UM, SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS MONDAY, UH, SEPTEMBER 29TH, WHICH IS A NOT OUR NORMAL WEDNESDAY, MONDAY.
SO, SO MS. MOYER WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE MONDAY THE 29TH.
IF YOU WANT TO GET OUT YOUR CALENDARS, I'LL BE THERE.
UM, SO, SO MS. MS. ANDERSON WILL CONFIRM AND I'LL CONFIRM TO HER AND, AND MR. DESAI WILL CONFIRM, BUT WE KNOW MS. MOORE WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE.
UM, CAN YOU CONFIRM ASAP JUST IN CASE WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW PIVOT, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO BOTH OF YOU BE ABLE TO LET US KNOW TOMORROW? I'M TEXTING TOMORROW AS OF RIGHT NOW.
I MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO TELL YOU BEFORE I LEAVE.
WE'LL CHECK IN WITH, UH, MS. DAVIS AS WELL.
UH, NOT TECHNICALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE RECUSING THEMSELVES FROM VARIOUS PROJECTS.
UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING AT 10:06 PM SO MOVED.