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OKAY, GREAT.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 Email: HCancro@GreenburghNY.com https://greenburghny.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings]
WELCOME TO OUR TOWN BOARD MEETING.TODAY'S SEPTEMBER 30TH, A LITTLE AFTER FIVE 30.
AND, UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UM, 1 72 NORTH SOOMO RIVER ROAD WEST TAB, UM, WITH, UH, MARK WINEGAR AND GARRETT, DO YOU WANT TO START? YEAH, SURE.
COME ON UP AND WELCOME EVERYONE.
I'M GARRETT DE KANE, PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
AND, UH, MARK WEINGART AND TEAM ARE HERE TO PRESENT ABOUT 1 72 NORTH SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHARE SCREEN.
YOU GOT THE TEXT, AND THEN I'LL TRY.
SO WAS IT GOOD EVENING OR GOOD AFTERNOON, BUT NOT QUITE SURE.
YOU GUYS START YOUR MEETING EARLY.
GOOD AFTERNOON THESE DAYS, RIGHT? GOOD AFTERNOON.
SO FOR THE RECORD, MARK WEINGARTEN, PARTNER AT DELBELLO DANNEL, WEINGARTEN WISE MEETING HERE.
AND IT'S GENERALLY A PLEASURE SEEING YOU BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON.
OUR FIRM REPRESENTS, UH, THE REZA REALTY LLC, AND THE OWNERS OF THERE, UH, REZA AND HIS FAMILY, THEY ARE THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, BUT WE ALSO REPRESENT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER WITH THE IDEA THAT WE'RE GONNA SHARE WITH YOU TODAY, WEST TAB.
AND WE HAVE WITH US TODAY THE CEO RICH NIGHTINGALE, AND WE HAVE THE HEAD OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT ON ANDREW DSKY, WHO THEY'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE PRESENTATION IN A FEW MINUTES, BUT JUST, AND, AND I'M GONNA BE VERY BRIEF.
UM, THE MORAN FAMILY WERE REFERRED OVER TO OUR FIRM, AND THEY ASKED US TO HELP THEM FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE SITE, HOW THE, THE SITE COULD WORK AND WHAT WOULD GO.
AND WE LOOKED AT THE CURRENT ZONING AND WE DID SOME WORK WITH THEM, AND THEY HAD EXPERTS THAT WERE EMPLOYED, AND WE WENT THROUGH AN ANALYSIS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE CURRENT ZONING DOES NOT SUPPORT TEARING DOWN THE BUILDING AND THE EXPENSE OF ALL THAT, OF RELOCATION AND ALL OF THAT, THAT WOULD WORK AND BUILDING ANYTHING THAT'S UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.
SO WE KIND OF LOOKED AT IT FROM SCRATCH.
WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH GARRETT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST SAID, WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH WHAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WORKS.
WE KNOW WE'RE NOT ZONED FOR IT.
WE'RE GONNA SHARE IT WITH YOU, AND I'M GONNA LET THEM TALK.
THEY'RE DOING DUE DILIGENCE HERE, AND WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT WHETHER YOU'RE INTERESTED OR NOT, BECAUSE AS WE SAY, SOMETIMES IN THIS BUSINESS, THE SECOND BEST ANSWER TO YES IS NO.
NOBODY WANTS TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND THEN FIND OUT IT DOESN'T WORK.
SO WE'RE HERE TO JUST, WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS AND THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT, BUT WE WANNA SHARE A CONCEPT WITH YOU TODAY AND JUST KIND OF SEE WHERE YOU ARE WITH THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK TO YOU.
I DO IT ALL THE TIME WITH YOU.
YOU, YOU KNOW, AS I DO, WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND, YOU KNOW, AS I DO, WE PARTICULARLY HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS.
AND WHEN WE BUILD, AND I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE NOW TO BE INVOLVED WITH THOUSANDS OF UNITS.
AND WHEN THEY ASKED ME WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, WE WENT THROUGH IT.
WE THOUGHT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I SUGGESTED WEST TAB.
AND I SAID, THEY'RE NOT ONLY GREAT AT WHAT THEY DO, THEY KNOW THE TOWN, THEY'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN THE TOWN, UH, AND THEY HAVE THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE STATE GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY LOOK FOR FINANCING.
SO WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD MARRIAGE.
WEST TAB CAME IN, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY LOOKED AT THE SITE, WHAT THEY THINK IS FINANCEABLE AND WHAT CAN WORK.
THEY'VE DEVELOPED IT AND THEY'RE GONNA SHARE THAT.
SO THAT'S REALLY ALL OUR ROLE.
WE'D LIKE TO SHARE IT WITH YOU, AND THEN WE'D REALLY LIKE AN OPEN DIALOGUE WITH SOME GENUINE FEEDBACK TO FIND OUT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS SOMETHING THE TOWN WOULD ENTERTAIN.
UH, THANKS A LOT FOR HAVING US.
AND I THINK THAT'S, DID I TALK THAT LONG? NO, YOU WERE GREAT.
UH, YEAH, IT BECAME EVENING, RIGHT? UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THIS SITE IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW IT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING CONDITION ISN'T, ISN'T DOING ANYTHING FOR US.
AND THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE ALL FACE, WE KNOW IS IMMENSE.
I WILL SAY, UH, COUNCIL SUPERVISOR KNOWS THIS WELL, WE GET INQUIRIES FOR HOUSING CONSTANTLY FROM THIS COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF OUR BUILDING 22 TERRYTOWN ROAD AND UNITS NEVER TURN OVER.
PEOPLE ARE SO THRILLED TO HAVE AFFORDABLE UNITS.
WE CAN'T REACH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE FOLKS, UH, REACHING OUT FOR HOUSING.
THE UNMET NEED, UH, IS UNBELIEVABLE.
THE, THE LAST, UH, HOUSING THAT WE BUILT, YOU'LL SEE IN A COUPLE SLIDES FOR A HUNDRED UNITS OF HOUSING HAD OVER 4,000 HOUSING APPLICANTS.
THAT'S THE REALITY OF OUR, OUR HOUSING CRISIS HERE IN WESTCHESTER.
AND I THINK IN CENTRAL WESTCHESTER HERE, WE HAVE GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND NEAR WORKFORCE, ET CETERA.
A COUPLE VERY QUICK INTRODUCTORY SLIDES.
I, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WILL GO FAIRLY QUICKLY.
UH, JUST ABOUT WEST TAB AND OUR HISTORY.
UH, WEST STEP'S MISSION IS BUILDING COMMUNITIES, CHANGING LIVES.
THE BUILDING COMMUNITIES IS THE BRICKS AND MORTAR OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THE CHANGING LIVES IS ALL OF THE SUPPORT SERVICES THAT COME AROUND THAT, UH, TO REALLY HELP PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES THRIVE.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT READING, UH, THE, THE WAY TO VERBOSE SLIDES HERE, BUT YOU'LL HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, IN THE RECORD AFTER,
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BUT YOU'RE GOING REAL FAST TOO.IT KEEPS ME PUSHING HERE SLOW.
UH, I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING WE DID IN GREENBURG WAS 22 TERRYTOWN ROAD.
UM, THAT'S 13 YEARS AGO NOW ABOUT, UM, THINGS CONTINUE TO CHANGE.
THE HOUSING CRISIS HAS ONLY GOTTEN WORSE, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT ALSO OUR CAPACITY TO BUILD A LARGER SCALE TO BUILD REALLY THE GREENEST, UH, HOUSING PRODUCT ON THE MARKET, UH, HAS REALLY EVOLVED.
AND WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF A LOT OF THE MORE RECENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE.
EACH ONE KIND OF BUILDS UPON THE LAST, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY FINISHING CONSTRUCTION ON A PASSIVE HOUSE DESIGN BUILDING IN THE BRONX RIGHT NOW.
NOW MAYBE GIMME THE NEXT SLIDE.
UH, BUT, UH, AND AGAIN, NOT TO LIKE, UH, GO THROUGH EACH ONE, BUT WE HAD TO INCLUDE 22 TERRY 10 ROAD.
UH, 'CAUSE WE LOVE OUR WORK, AND AS I SAID, IT HAS, YOU KNOW, UNLIMITED NEED FOR ONLY THE 28 UNITS THAT EXIST THERE.
UM, BUT A LOT OF US DRIVE BY THAT BUILDING EVERY DAY.
UM, AND, UH, IT'S BEEN A GREAT HOUSING ASSET FOR THE COMMUNITY SINCE COMMUNITY SINCE THEN.
JUST AS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF OUR WORK, UH, WE BUILT 63 UNITS IN YONKERS CALLED DAY SPRING COMMONS, SIDE BY SIDE WITH A REALLY BEAUTIFUL STATE-OF-THE-ART COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A FREE, AMAZING RESOURCE IN SOUTHWEST YONKERS.
SO THIS DAY, SPRING CAMPUS, BOTH THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER HAVE BEEN SUPER EXCITING.
AND THEN OUR MOST RECENTLY OPEN BUILDING, UH, WAS 113 UNITS SUMMIT ON HUDSON.
THIS IS A ALL ELECTRIC BUILDING, WON A NEW YORK STATE BUILDINGS OF EXCELLENCE AWARD FOR SUSTAINABLE DESIGN.
IT'S A GORGEOUS BUILDING, UH, WHETHER YOU EVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OR NOT.
UH, WE, WE ALWAYS LOVE GIVING TOURS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.
UM, AND YOU CAN JUST SEE OVER THE YEARS, I THINK THESE THREE BUILDINGS SHOW THE WAY THE SCALE HAS CHANGED, THE WAY OUR ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, UH, MORE ROBUSTLY ADDRESS THE, THE HOUSING CRISIS, UH, CONTINUES TO EVOLVE.
NOW I'LL KICK IT TO ANDREW AND WE WILL ZOOM IN ON, UH, NINE A, UH, AND THE SITE HERE.
SO THANKS VERY MUCH FOR, FOR MEETING WITH US TONIGHT.
UM, THIS IS 1 72 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
UH, IT'S AN EXISTING FOUR STORY, UH, BUILDING.
UH, IT HAS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT UNITS IN IT.
UM, IT'S RIGHT ON, UH, NINE A HOW MANY UNITS? I'M SORRY? EIGHT UNITS.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE AS WE GO HERE, BUT, UH, AND, AND I'M GONNA POINT OUT SOME THINGS THAT I THINK ARE, LIKE, THINGS WE SHOULD MAYBE DISCUSS AND ALSO SOME KIND OF COMPLICATING FACTORS HERE.
UM, BUT RIGHT OFF THE BAT YOU HAVE, UH, A MIXTURE OF KIND OF LIKE SIX LOTS.
THEY ARE SPLIT BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT OWNERS.
UM, ONE OF THE OWNERS IS, IS BACK HERE, OUR PARTNER AND ONE OF THE OWNERS IS, UH, FOR THE, THE LOTS 22 1 AND TWO, WHICH ARE ACTUALLY SPLIT BETWEEN, UH, GREENBERG AND ELMSFORD.
SO THAT, UH, IS SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA WANT TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT, UH, AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE GENERALLY IS APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED UNITS.
UM, IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC NUMBER BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO USE 4% TAX CREDIT FINANCING.
UH, I'M NOT SURE HOW FAMILIAR EVERYBODY IS WITH THE DIFFERENT, UH, KIND OF LIKE MODELS OF, OF LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT FINANCING THAT WE UTILIZE.
BUT THAT A HUNDRED UNIT MARKER IS APPROXIMATELY WHERE WE NEED TO GET TO, TO HAVE A MORE USABLE FINANCING STRUCTURE.
UH, IT MAKES PROJECTS WORK BETTER.
UM, AND KIND OF LIKE EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE HERE AND KIND OF THE WAY WE'VE LAID OUT THE BUILDING IS TO ACHIEVE A FINANCEABLE BUILDING, UM, WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF LIKE, KIND OF THE STATE'S TERM SHEETS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO, UM, SO IT'S A HUNDRED UNITS REGARDLESS OF THE LOT SIZE.
WELL, IT'S A HUNDRED UNITS APPROXIMATELY.
WE THINK THAT ACTUALLY FITS FAIRLY WELL ON THIS LOT SIZE.
UH, I MEAN, WE COULD DO MORE IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO MORE, BUT I THINK HE'S ASKING ABOUT THE STATE REQUIREMENT.
IS IT MORE TOWARDS NUMBER OF UNITS OR IS IT, OR DOES IT FLUCTUATE DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT? AM I WRONG? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAD TWO ACRES, WOULD IT BE THE SAME FINANCIAL? YEAH, SO USUALLY FEASIBILITY FOR A HUNDRED UNITS, WHETHER OR NOT THAT IT'S A HALF ACRE.
YEAH, IT, IT'S, REGARDLESS OF LOT SIZE, IT'S MOSTLY BASED ON THE ACCOUNT BECAUSE YEAH.
I HAVE AN EXTRA ONE OVER THERE.
YOU WANT ME TO GRAB THAT? HE ALSO, WE, WE SENT IT BY EMAIL TO GARY.
AND WE'LL PROVIDE IT AFTERWARDS.
DO, I'M TRYING TO FIND IT SO YOU CAN SEE, SEE ON THIS SIDE.
YOU CAN SEE, I THINK IN THIS PAGE KIND OF LIKE, FINE.
YOU SEND, WE'LL SHARE, UH, YESTERDAY.
I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME, ACTUALLY I GOT AN UPDATE TODAY.
MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A FINAL COPY.
YOU GOT AN UPDATE WE CAN CHARGE MM-HMM
SO, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE A PROJECT WORK HERE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED UNITS, WHICH IS GOING TO INCREASE, YOU KNOW, THE DENSITY.
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A, A BUILDING HEIGHT VARIANCE.WE THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED APPROXIMATELY SEVEN STORIES, AND I CAN EXPLAIN WHY AND, AND HOW THAT FITS IN WITH THE LOTS AS WE, AS WE KEEP GOING HERE.
AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE KIND OF LIKE ALWAYS NEED IN WESTCHESTER IS A PARKING VARIANCE.
UM, AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN OUR BUILDINGS, WE DON'T TEND TO NEED, UH, AT ALL ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED PRETTY MUCH BY ANY MUNICIPALITY.
UM, OUR PARKING RATIOS ARE OFTEN DRIVEN BY INCOME LEVELS, NOT BY MOSTLY ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING, WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S TWO, TWO SPACES PER DWELLING UNIT.
UH, ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT ZONING, WE WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A ONE-TO-ONE RATIO, WHICH WE THINK EASILY MEETS OUR NEEDS.
UM, AND HOPEFULLY IS, IS PALATABLE TO, TO THE MUNICIPALITIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SO YOU HAVE A SENSE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS, UH, WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, YOU KNOW, THIS FOUR STORY BUILDING, UM, THE RENDERING ON THE RIGHT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE THERE.
THESE WERE SOME OLDER RENDERINGS.
WE HAVE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT ACTUALLY RENDERED UP A BUILDING YET.
UM, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF KIND OF LIKE WHAT THIS MIGHT LOOK LIKE, WE'RE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A BAR THAN, THAN THIS KIND OF ARTICULATED FACADE, UH, TO MAKE OUR, OUR FINANCING WORK.
BUT I, I THINK YOU CAN GET A SENSE FOR, FOR WHAT A BUILDING MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
AND AGAIN, JUST JUST SO YOU GET THE SENSE IT'S THE EXISTING BUILDING AND IT'S THE VACANT LOT NEXT TO IT.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT EXPANDS OUT.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, HOMES IN THAT AREA RIGHT BEHIND IT.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL HOMES BEHIND IT, AND WE DO BEHIND THAT WE'LL SHOW YEAH, THERE'S MANY, RIGHT.
WHAT STREETS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SO LET ME SHOW YOU.
SO, SO HERE I THINK YOU CAN SEE HERE YOU HAVE SAWMILL RIVER ROAD HERE ON THE LEFT NORTH LAWN, AND YOU HAVE NORTH LAWN ON THE RIGHT.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, OUR DESIGN WAS VERY DELIBERATE IN CERTAIN WAYS.
UM, WE ARE, THERE'S A ALMOST 15 TO 20 FOOT ELEVATION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, THE SAWMILL ROAD, UM, THE SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND NORTH LAWN.
SO WE HAVE PARKING ENTERING OFF OF SAW OF, OF THE SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
WE ALSO HAVE PARKING COMING OFF OF, UH, NORTH LAWN.
WE VERY MUCH TRIED TO NOT HAVE OUR BUILDING APPROACHING THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, FIVE STORY BUILDING COMING ON RIGHT NEXT TO THESE ONE STORY HOMES.
SO WE HAVE THIS KIND OF, KIND OF LIKE BAR ABOUT, SORRY, THIS BAR BUILDING COMING OFF OF SAWMILL.
AND ISN'T THAT THE HOMES ARE IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD, RIGHT? NORTH LAWN IS, ISN'T IT THE VILLAGE? IT'S IT'S A MIX.
LIKE YOU CAN SEE HERE YOU'VE GOT, SOME OF THE HOMES ARE IN ELMSFORD AND SOME OF THEM ARE IN GREEN PARK, RIGHT? THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THE BLACK LINE IS THE DIVID LINE.
SO I, SO JUST LOOKING AT THIS, I KNOW YOU SAID THIS IS NOT THE RENDERING YOU'RE DOING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'VE GOTTEN THAT FAR.
'CAUSE SOME OF RIVER ROAD IS A VERY INDUSTRIAL HEAVY TRAFFIC, BIG TRUCK ROAD, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING RESIDENCE ON IT.
AND I KNOW THERE'S CURRENTLY RESIDENTS ON THAT.
YOU'RE TALKING A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED UNITS.
WHERE IS GOING TO BE THE OPENING TO THIS? 'CAUSE I GET CONCERNED SAFETY WISE FOR THIS IS GONNA BE OPEN FOR FAMILIES, CHILDREN, AND THEN I'M TRYING TO UNDER, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PARKING HAS, AS YOU HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL RENDERING THAT PARKING WOULD BE UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE PARKING.
'CAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT HERE.
UM, I THINK THIS IS MAYBE ONE OF THE, THE BEST ILLUSTRATIONS OF REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
UM, BUT PAGE TWO ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY, I MEAN, YOU HAVE A SEVEN STORY BUILDING MM-HMM
RIGHT? THE FIRST FLOOR IS PARKING UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.
THE SECOND FLOOR IS RESIDENTIAL ON THE FRONT HALF OF THE BUILDING ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND FIVE STORIES OF RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE AT A ELEVATED HEIGHT COMING OFF OF NORTH LAWN, YOU HAVE PARKING AND YOU HAVE PARKING UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, UNDERNEATH THE REST OF THE FIVE STORY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
HOW DO YOU ACCESS, FROM WHAT ROAD DO YOU ACCESS IT? SO YOU HAVE PARKING BEING ACCESSED FROM BOTH LEVELS AND YOU HAVE ENTRANCES INTO THE BUILDING FROM BOTH LEVELS AS WELL.
SO ON THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN, RIGHT, YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE AND AN EXIT COMING OFF OF THE SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND THERE'S AN ENTRANCE INTO THE BUILDING FROM HERE.
THEN OFF OF NORTH LAWN, YOU HAVE PARKING GOING, UH, LIKE AN ENTRANCE INTO THE, THE PARKING LOT FROM NORTH LAWN COMING IN AND OUT FROM NORTH LAWN AS WELL.
AND YOU HAVE ENTRANCES INTO THE BUILDING FROM THERE.
I GUESS I WAS TALKING ABOUT ACCESS FROM, FOR CARS FROM THE ROADWAY AND THAT
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THE, THE RENDERING DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A ROADWAY.SO WE ARE NOT, AS I SAID, LIKE THE RENDERING IS AN OLD RENDERING.
THE REASON THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE GO DOWN UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING IS 'CAUSE WE EXPECT TO HIT ROCK.
THERE'S ALREADY ROCK ON THE SITE AND IT WOULD BLOW THE BUDGET TO EXCAVATE OUT THAT MUCH ROCK.
WELL, BUT MORE TO, TO COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON'S POINT, SHE THE TRAFFIC AND, AND PEOPLE TURNING IN AND OUT FROM SAWMILL RIVER ROAD IS THE CONCERN.
I MEAN, SO, SO WE, I MEAN, LISTEN, WE, WE DID THINK OF THAT MM-HMM
THERE'S ONLY 29 PARKING SPACES ON THAT LEVEL COMING IN AND OFF OF, UH, SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S DOUBLE ARROWS.
BUT MOST LIKELY YOU WOULD COME IN ONE AND OUT THE OTHER.
SO WE THINK THAT WOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT OF SAWMILL ROAD.
IS THERE ANY, UH, DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN THAT AREA? ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET IS THE FLOOD ZONE.
SO IT IS A PORTION OF THE TOWN THAT'S PRONE TO FLOODING.
UH, THIS IS ON THE PERIPHERY OF THE FLOOD ZONE.
WOULD THERE BE LIKE ANY, UH, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION? WELL, THE BUILDING USUALLY ACTS AS A DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT.
WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT AS WE GO.
UH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR YET.
THE PROJECT WOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED TO DO SOME SORT OF STUDY RELATED TO SNOW STORM WATER PREVENTION.
IF IT'S OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACREAGE, IT'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SWEAT PROCESS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE HITTING THAT HERE.
UM, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT BECAUSE I ALSO FEEL THAT IF, UM, AS A RESULT OF THIS WE COULD GET DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, THEN WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY ARE YOU CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT YOU'RE ALSO ADDRESSING, UM, A FLOOD FLOOD PROBLEM, WHICH IS A VERY BIG YEAH.
I MEAN, THERE'S THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, WELL THERE'S LANDSCAPE SPACE RIGHT THERE.
WE, SO LIKE THE LANDSCAPE SPACE IN THE EMPTY LOT WOULD, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU UNLESS YOU'RE ON MIC.
SO, UM, WE'LL WAIT TILL YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE.
UM, SARAH MARAND, UH, WE ARE THE OWNERS OF 1 72 SAWMILL.
SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO ADD HERE THAT WE'RE ALSO CIVIL ENGINEERS AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGERS.
UM, THE OWNER IS ACTUALLY THE, WAS THE CHIEF OF WATER QUALITY FOR NEW YORK CITY DEP FOR 30 YEARS.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO SWIFT PROCESS, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, CATCH BASINS, BIOSWELLS, RAIN GARDENS, UM, ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO KIND OF OFFSET THAT STORMWATER RUNOFF, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT.
AND WE CAN PROVIDE ALL OF THOSE KIND OF DRAINAGE STUDIES AND IMPROVEMENT STUDIES AS THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
SO AN AREA THAT'S PROPOSED TO HAVE UNDERGROUND PARKING, NOT UNDERGROUND, BUT UNDER BUILDING PARKING, WAS THAT AFFECTED? WOULD THAT, DID THAT AREA FLOOD IN THE JULY STORM? CAN I ANSWER THAT? YOU HAVE TO COME, YOU HAVE TO COME TO PLEASE YOURSELF.
WOULD YOU TALKING INTO THE MICROPHONE, SIR? WE CAN HEAR YOU.
ZA MARAND, THE OWNER, UH, HE PURCHASED HIS PROPERTY ALMOST 44 YEARS AGO, AND WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF A STORM THAT CAME DURING THIS TIME.
UH, WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT? SANDY.
THE WATER CAME TO THE CENTER LANE ON ROUTE NINE A AND THEN I HAD A SURVEY DONE, AND THE SURVEY SHOWS ABOUT A FOOT OF WATER IN THE FLOOD ZONE AS YOU COME IN TO THE BUILDING.
BESIDE THAT, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THERE.
AND THIS IS 44 YEARS OF RAIN AND STORM AND HURRICANE.
SO, NO, I THINK, I THINK WHAT THE SUPERVISOR IS SAYING THAT EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY A DRAINAGE ISSUE HERE, THAT POTENTIALLY HAVING SOME INFRASTRUCTURE FOR STORM WATER RUNOFF, WHICH WOULD BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE COULD BE HELPFUL.
THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN LOOK.
THERE'S LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT ATTENTION TANKS.
THERE'S STUFF WE CAN, TANKS, PONDS, WHATEVER.
PART OF THE EXPERIENCE WE WORKING WITH THE NEW YORK CITY DEP WAS THAT, UH, RAIN GARDEN THAT WE CAN BUILD AND A WALK AND SECTION FOR THE, FOR THE BICYCLE IS TO JUST SEPARATE THAT NINE A FROM EVERYBODY ELSE FROM THE BUILDING AND FROM THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE BICYCLE.
I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD.
THAT'S SOMETHING GOOD ALONG THAT NINE, NINE A ROUTE ANYWAY.
I WAS THINKING SOMETHING ELSE, AT LEAST FROM THE ONE DIRECTION, I GUESS GOING NORTH, RIGHT? YOU'RE ON THE WEST, EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD.
IF THERE WAS ROOM ON THE PROPERTY FOR A TURN LANE TO HELP ALLEVIATE SOMEONE STOPPING ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD TO MAKE A TURN, A LEFT, LIKE A LEFT TURN LANE TALKING.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD DO OR RIGHT AT LEAST A RIGHT TURN LANE, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ON
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THIS PROPERTY FROM OFF THE HIGHWAY ONTO, FROM OFF THE ROADWAY, THE ROAD.I MEAN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PROBABLY A NEW YORK STATE DISCUSSION IS WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
I THINK ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD DO THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES WILL MAKE THIS AN EASIER PROJECT TO GET APPROVED.
SO CAN WE GO BACK AND, AND MAYBE YOU'RE NOT THERE YET.
I GUESS I WAS JUST IN THIS AREA OVER THE WEEKEND AND I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THAT BUILDING AND I WAS WONDERING HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY PIECE OF IT? BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT THE KIDS IN THAT ROAD, LIKE THAT ROAD IS, IT'S A HEAVY TRAVEL ROAD, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WITH HEAVY TRUCKS AND STUFF.
SO IS THERE GONNA BE LIKE A GATE OR SOMETHING, SOME SORT OF SAFETY FENCING, FENCING OR SOMETHING MM-HMM
BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUNG FAMILIES MOVING IN, YOU KNOW, IS IS THE CONCERN, LIKE WHAT EXACTLY IS THE CONCERN ABOUT THIS? THE CHILDREN RUNNING OUT INTO THE STREET,
I'M JUST, I WAS JUST CONS, IS THE OPENING OF THE BUILDING, IS IT GOING TO BE FACING SAW MILLER RIVER ROAD? IS IT GOING TO BE MAYBE TURNED AND FACING RIGHT NOW? HOW YOU HAVE THE, THE PARKING AREA, THE PARK? I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NO, WHAT I'M, IF IF, IF YOU LOOK UP THERE, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE BUILDING MM-HMM
ACTUALLY UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.
SO THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF A CONCERN, I WOULD SAY, OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING ENTERING DIRECTLY OUT ONTO THE STREET.
I I WOULD SAY WE, WE, WE DEVELOP A FAIR AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, URBAN CENTERED BUILDINGS MM-HMM
WITH STREETS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE CARS AND TRUCKS AND STUFF.
THIS ISN'T REALLY A PROBLEM THAT WE RUN INTO VERY OFTEN.
IT'S ALSO, WE HAVE THE WATER, THE FORMER WATER WHEEL IN LEY IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND THAT'S ALSO ON SOMO RIVER ROAD ACROSS FROM MAC PARK.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT'S SAW MILL RIVER ROAD WHERE YOU ARE.
YOU HAVE TO THINK, DO WE KNOW HOW IT'S TO THE ROAD, CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY, CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY COMING OFF.
THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE.
LOOK, I, I GREW UP ON BRONX RIVER ROAD IN YONKERS, SO, WHICH WAS THE MOST HEAVILY NORTH SOUTH ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF YONKERS.
SO, AND MY BUILDING CAME RIGHT UP TO THE STREET.
THERE WAS A SIDEWALK, I MEAN, SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT WAS, AND IT WAS A PARK ACROSS THE STREET, BUT WE WENT DOWN A, ACROSS THE ROAD, WE CAN PUT A, WE CAN PUT SOME FENCES LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S LANDSCAPING.
SAWMILL, SAWMILL RIVER LOFTS FOR INSTANCE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, FURTHER, UM, FURTHER SOUTH, UH, IN HASTINGS HAS A LOT OF, HAS A LARGE, UM, AREA OF SHRUBBERY, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SHRUBBERY FROM THE ROAD, THEY HAVE THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS THERE.
SO THAT KIND OF HELPS ALLEVIATE THAT.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF, AND AS WE SAID, THIS IS ALL PRETTY PRELIMINARY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DESIGN OPPORTUNITIES TO MITIGATE SOME OF THIS.
SO THIS GOOD TO HEAR AND UNDERSTAND.
AND I KNOW THIS ROUTE VERY WELL TOO.
THAT'S BEEN MY FIRST THOUGHT AS SOON AS I'VE SEEN THE BUILDING.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
ARE YOU REALLY PROPOSING ACTUALLY THAT THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, WILL BE ON NORTH LAWN BECAUSE 71% OF YOUR PARKING SPOTS, UH, SPOTS COME IN ON THAT, UH, RESIDENTIAL STREET.
I, I THINK WE'RE PROPOSING THAT PEOPLE JUST USE EITHER ONE DEPENDING ON WHERE THEIR CAR IS PARKED.
IF THEY'RE USING A CAR, IF THEY'RE USING A BUS LINE, THEY'LL COME IN OFF OF THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
NOT THE LOBBY, BUT THE, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'LL BE A LOBBY AND ARE THERE TWO LOBBY AND THERE'LL BE A LOBBY ENTRANCE ON BOTH FLOORS.
OH, WAY TO GET INTO THE BUILDING.
WHAT'S THE HEIGHT IN THE BACK? IT'S, IT'S SEVEN STORIES ON NINE A AND WHAT, WHAT IS IT IN THE BACK? WE HAVEN'T EXACTLY GOTTEN THERE, BUT YOU'LL HAVE LIKE A, A NORMAL HEIGHT PARKING GARAGE OF 10 FEET OR 11 FEET, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
WHAT IS THE WIDTH? WIDTH OF NORTH LAWN? THE WIDTH OF NORTH LAWN? UM, HONESTLY, I, I, THAT I'M NOT SURE I HAVE, WE CAN FIND THAT OUT.
THE MATH IS WONDERFUL BECAUSE IT'S A HUNDRED PARKING SPACES AND 71 ARE IN THE BACK.
SO IT, 71% OF YOUR SPOTS WILL BE COMING DOWN THAT STREET.
WELL, BUT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY'RE, IF IT'S AN EASY ENTRANCE AND YOU KNOW, DIRECTION INTO THOSE SPOTS FROM FROM SUMMIT RIVER ROAD, THEN PEOPLE MAY VERY WELL, THERE'S STILL A HUNDRED UNITS.
BUT DEPENDING ON PEOPLE MAY BE MORE LIKELY TO BE TRAVELING ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND GO HOME THAN ON, ON, ON UH, LAWN.
ON LAWN, I WOULD THINK LAWNS MORE RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A MAJOR RULE.
I MEAN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS DESIGNED TO HAVE DECENT CIRCULATION WITHIN THE PARKING LOT IN AN ATTEMPT TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF CONCERNS THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP, YOU KNOW, TO A MINIMUM.
UM, WE ALSO FIND ON THESE MORE RESIDENTIAL STREETS THAT ARE BUILDINGS DON'T PRODUCE THE AMOUNT OF LIKE, KIND OF PEAK HOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, CAR TRIPS THAT
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YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD EXPECT PEOPLE KIND OF COME IN AND OUT AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY.LIKE JUST AT EIGHT 30 AS YOU KNOW, IN THE MORNING, PEOPLE LEAVING TO WORK AT THE EXACT SAME TIME EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC STUDY WILL, WILL BEAR.
AND WILL THERE BE, WILL THERE BE OTHER AMENITIES LIKE WITH SOME OF YOUR OTHER PROPERTIES? UM, IN TERMS OF LIKE PLAY SPACE, UH, COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, CENTER WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE ALWAYS TRY TO HAVE A RECREATION, UH, ROOM THAT'S GEARED TOWARDS FAMILIES IN THE BUILDING.
IT HAS, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF AN AREA FOR KIDS.
IT HAS AN ADULT SPACE AS WELL.
UH, IT USUALLY HAS A KITCHENETTE SO PEOPLE CAN THROW PARTIES AND STUFF IN THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT OFTEN DEPENDS ON HONESTLY HOW MUCH SPACE IS USED FOR PARKING.
YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR SPACE IS OFTEN A BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR FOR PARKING AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR OUTDOOR SPACE AND LANDSCAPE SPACE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, CONCEIVABLY, UM, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OUTDOOR SPACE, LIKE PLAY AREA, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUILDINGS, LIKE BUILDING SETBACK OR SOMETHING? YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
AGAIN, IT, IT OFTEN DEPENDS ON THE BALANCE THAT WE HAVE TO STRIKE WITH PARKING.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH SPACE MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO ACHIEVE ONE-TO-ONE HERE, HOPING THAT THAT WAS PALATABLE.
IF YOU SAY TO US, HEY, YOU ACTUALLY NEED 0.8, WE'LL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES AND WE'LL ADD IN SOME MORE LANDSCAPE SPACE OR A PLAY SPACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING MAYBE SOMETHING ROOFTOP ON A, ON A SETBACK TO HAVE OUTDOOR SPACE SO THAT YOU HAVE PLACE SPACE OUTSIDE, BUT YOU'RE NOT TAKING UP SPACE THAT WOULD THEN PERHAPS BE USED FOR PARKING.
IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S MORE INSURANCE LIABILITY, ET CETERA.
THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER SUGGESTION I WANT TO THROW IN THERE, WHEN, AS YOU PUT IN, I PUT THIS ON THE WISHLIST, A PLAYGROUND FOR THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE SOME SORT OF PLAY AREA FOR, OH, THAT'S OUR CHILDREN.
THERE WAS ONE AT THE WEST HERE, TARA TOWN ROAD.
IT'S SORT OF RIGHT NEAR, UH, THE VERIZON BUILDING.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NICE.
I BIKED AROUND THERE YESTERDAY AND I WAS LIKE REALLY IMPRESSED BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY 13 YEARS OLD AND IT LOOKS, LOOKS NICE.
AND IT'S REALLY WELL MAINTAINED.
WE HAVEN'T HAD LIKE ANY COMP, ALTHOUGH IT WAS CONTROVERSIAL WHEN IT WAS PROPOSED, THERE'S BEEN REALLY NO COMPLAINTS FROM, FROM RESIDENTS.
IT HASN'T BEEN BEEN NICE OR IT'S BEEN WELL MAINTAINED.
THANK SO, UH, I JUST WANT TO MENTION YOU ALSO HAVE THAT GREAT PARK WITH THE BIG SPLASH PAD AROUND THE CORNER THAT I'VE MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, SNUCK MY KIDS INTO WITHOUT BEING AN RE RESIDENT.
I, I THINK AT LEAST TO EXPLORE IS IF YOU CUT IN, UH, MORE TOWARDS THE BACK FOOTPRINT, SO AS TO, OKAY, SO YOUR DRIVE AISLE IS THERE AND THEN IT'S PULL IN.
UM, I GUESS WHAT I'M THINKING IS WHERE THE GRAY GOES TO THE DARK COLOR.
IF YOU AT THE FIRST LEVEL CUT IN MORE THERE, YOU COULD HAVE THE PARKING SPACES ABUTTING THE GREEN AND THEN A DRIVE AISLE AND THEN PULL IN SPACES SO YOU WOULD CUT MORE INTO THE SITE.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE ROCK, BUT IT'S, YEAH.
I MEAN THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN, IT'S AT LEAST SOMETHING TO EXPLORE.
'CAUSE THEN YOU'RE PICKING UP TWICE THE AMOUNT OF SPACES, UH, ACCESSIBLE FROM NORTH SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND CERTAINLY ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS VACANT LAND, THAT'S LIKELY A PLACE WHERE THERE IS NO ROCK.
AND MAYBE THAT'S AN EASY AREA TO LIKE, ON THE DOWN, LIKE ON THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE, BUT LIKE, ON THE DOWNSIDE OF THE PAGE, LIKE IN HERE, THAT AREA IS VACANT LAND RIGHT NOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD REALLY, I WANNA MAKE SURE
SPOKE TO THE MAYOR AND YOU'VE SPOKEN TO THE VILLAGE BOARD OR MAYOR? NO, WE HAVEN'T YET.
WE CAME HERE, THIS WAS OUR STARTING POINT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA WANT TO TALK TO YOU WHEN WE FINISH THE PRESENTATION IS HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK TOO.
BECAUSE YOU CAN GET TO BE VERY CONFUSING.
WHAT YOU HAD A MEETING WITH BOB THEN MAY HAVE, WHAT DID IT WAS SIX MONTHS AGO WE HAD A MEETING WITH BOB AND WHAT OTHER CONSTITUENT FROM OUR END.
AND UH, HE, HE'S VERY SUPPORTIVE ACTUALLY.
HE WANTS TO SCHEDULE THAT UGLY, EMPTY LOT FROM THERE.
IT'S PRIMARILY THE LOGISTICS, BUT WE LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO FIGURE OUT AND PRESENT.
WELL, THE CURRENT BUILDINGS ARE DEFINITELY AN EYESORE.
AND I SORT OF FEEL THIS, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, AN IMPROVEMENT.
AND WHEN YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO REDEVELOP IT, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT THIS COULD HELP BEAUTIFY
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THAT WHOLE, YOU KNOW, AREA.WHAT, WHAT SIZE UNITS ARE OF THE A HUNDRED? ARE THEY VARY FROM WHAT TO WHAT? 1, 2, 3.
YOU WANNA WAIT? WE WOULD BE DOING A MIX OF STUDIOS THROUGH THREE BEDROOMS. OKAY.
UM, THERE IS A FOCUS, UH, YOU KNOW, BY US OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WANNA SUPPORT FAMILIES AS WELL.
UM, AND ALSO BY THE STATE TO FINANCE PROJECTS THAT ARE FOR FAMILIES.
NOT JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, SINGLES OR, SO ARE YOU GONNA BE USING, UH, YOU KNOW, GREEN TECHNOLOGY? I KNOW THE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON DRONE WAR.
I THINK THEY HAVE A GREEN ROOF.
ARE YOU GONNA BE DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE'LL HAVE TO GET THERE.
I MEAN WE, ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE VERY SUSTAINABLE IN THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, USE ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT.
WE HAVE ROBUST BUILDING ENVELOPES.
UH, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, EITHER SOME SORT OF HEAT PUMP, UH, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY FOR HVAC AND FOR DOMESTIC ON WATER.
UM, WE USE A, A BACKUP GENERATOR, YOU KNOW, FOR RESILIENCY.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE KIND OF LIKE MIX AND MATCH PROJECT BY PROJECT.
YOU HAVE A WHOLE SLIDE ON IT, ANDREW.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TRY TO INCORPORATE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOLAR PANELS ONTO EVERY PROJECT.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO DO WITH THE SOLAR PANELS THOUGH, IS USE AS MUCH OF THE ROOF AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BECAUSE SOLAR PANELS, WHEN YOU BUILD THEM ON A STRUCTURE, THEY BECOME ALMOST DOUBLE THE COST AND YOU GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF, YOU KNOW, ENERGY FROM THEM.
THE MORE THAT YOU CAN BUILD THEM DIRECTLY ON THE ROOF, YOU SAVE MONEY AND MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, YOU GET MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK.
SO THAT'S THE KINDS OF STUFF THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
OUR PARKING SPACES WILL HAVE EG CHARGING STATIONS, EV CHARGING STATIONS, UH, 5% OF THEM TYPICALLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS A NUMBER THAT CAN FLUCTUATE DEPENDING ON WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE, THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WILL TRY TO ADJUST DEPENDING ON WHAT THE MUNICIPALITY WANTS, WHAT A CODE REQUIREMENT IS.
YOU KNOW, AS THINGS CHANGE, WE, WE CHANGE WITH IT.
RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN USING, UH, OR WE WE'RE TRYING TO INCORPORATE, UH, IN OUR, OUR, OUR PARKING AREAS, THESE NETWORK LIGHTINGS AND THEY'RE LIKE AI TOWER, UH, SMART TECHNOLOGY FOR LIGHTING THAT'S MEANT TO LIKE REALLY REDUCE OUR ENERGY COSTS IN OUR PARKING GARAGES.
SO, YOU KNOW, AS NEW TECHNOLOGIES COME IN, WE EVALUATE THEM, WE DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DURABLE FOR THE LONG TERM AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE INCORPORATING.
HAVE YOU DONE ANY OUTREACH TO SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS WHO LIVE NEAR THERE? BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE EVEN LIKE SIT DOWN WITH PEOPLE ONE-ON-ONE, EVEN DO ONE-ON-ONE, THERE'S NOT, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF, YOU KNOW, HOMES.
BUT I FEEL THAT IF YOU DO THAT, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD AVOID, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME LATER CONTROVERSIES.
I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET.
THIS REALLY WAS OUR FIRST STOP.
WE WANTED TO GET A READ ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS PROJECT SEEMS FEASIBLE TO BEGIN WITH.
UM, AS I NOTED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PARTNERS.
SO WE HAVE ONE OF THE TWO SITES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SITE CONTROL SORT OF ON, ON ONE OF THE TWO.
THE OTHER ONE WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE, UH, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE MORE COMMUNICATION WITH THE OTHER SELLER TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THEY'RE ON BOARD AND WE CAN GET SITE CONTROL OF, OF THEIR LOTS.
WE DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO DO THAT UNTIL WE FELT LIKE WE HAD, THIS IS SOMETHING VIABLE HERE.
SO LIKE, IF WE COME OUT OF THIS MEETING AND IT FEELS, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE AND, AND THEN THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF OUR, OUR NEXT STEPS AS WELL IS TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A REAL, I GUESS BOTTOM LINE.
I, I WILL SPEAK FROM MYSELF, BUT MAYBE OTHERS ON THE BOARD AGREE.
UM, WE'RE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS IMPORTANT AND WE REC AS A TOWN AND AS A BOARD WE DO RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR THAT.
SO WE WE'RE, I THINK I'M CERTAINLY GOING IN INTO THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IF WE CAN MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE WORK.
I, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS ON NORTH LAWN BECAUSE YOU'RE BASICALLY GOING TO BANK WHAT IS WHAT APPEARS TO BE A FAIRLY QUIET STREET INTO A MAJOR TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THIS PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO HAVING COME OFF OF, OFF OF, UH, NINE A UM, THIS TOPIC WENT ON THE AGENDA VERY LATE.
UM, MOST OF US DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS ON IT UNTIL WE SAW IT.
SO I'M SURE THE NEIGHBORS HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
AND THEY'RE GONNA ACCUSE US OF NOT BEING TRANSPARENT AND HAVING THIS MEETING WITHOUT NOTIFYING THEM, WHICH IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE AND IT'S NOT A GOOD WAY TO START.
J JUST ON THE, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT.
UH, COULD YOU TELL ME THE HEIGHT, THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING? WHAT'S THE CLOSEST BUILDING IN THAT AREA THAT HAS THAT ELEVATION? UH, I MEAN THERE'S FOUR STORY BUILDINGS IN THE, IT'S CURRENTLY A FOUR STORY BUILDING.
IT'S, I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT NUMBER OF STORIES.
I'M TALK ABOUT THE, THE, UH, THE ELEVATION.
OUR, OUR ELEVATION WOULD BE SEVEN STORIES.
UH, WE THINK, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMEWHERE
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PROBABLY CLOSE TO 75 FEET ON THE SAW SAW MILL RIVER ROADSIDE AND 55 FEET OR SO ON THE, ON THE NORTH LAWN SIDE.THERE'S A VERY SPECIFIC REASON FOR THIS.
IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE PLANNING TO DO A CONCRETE PODIUM FOR THE FIRST TWO LEVELS AND THEN WE WOULD, UH, DO A WOOD FRAME STRUCTURE ABOVE THAT.
UH, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT I THINK WE CAN MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK IS TO DO A, YOU KNOW, A COST EFFECTIVE WOOD FRAME.
YOU CAN'T GO ABOVE FIVE STORIES.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THERE'S MAYBE DIFFERENT WAYS TO LAY OUT THE BUILDING, BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS SOMETHING FINANCEABLE.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE HEIGHT THAT WE DO, YOU KNOW, IF THE NORTH ONE, UH, RESIDENTS GET, UH, FLOODED ALSO.
HIGHER DIFFERENCE ABOUT 20 FEET PLUS OR MINUS FROM NINE A UP THERE.
ALSO, THE FLOOD NEVER EVEN CAME TO THE MIDDLE OF THE NINE A JUST ONCE 44 YEARS WITH THE A HUNDRED UNIT REQUIREMENT.
UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO CREATE SETBACKS SO THAT IT'S, YOU'RE NOT FRONTED WITH SEVEN STORIES SO THAT THERE'S SOME AESTHETIC, THERE'S ALREADY A SIGNIFICANT SETBACK ON THE NORTH LAWN SIDE HERE.
THE PROBLEM IS RIGHT, WE'RE ALWAYS LIKE DOING THIS BALANCING ACT.
WE ALSO HAVE THESE SAFETY CONCERNS ON THE SAWMILL SIDE.
SO, UM, BUT IF YOU JUST GO BACK TO THE LAYOUT, UM, YEAH, SORRY, THE LAST ONE HERE THAT IS LIKE A SIGNIFICANT, THIS IS NORTH LAWN.
IT IS ALREADY PULLED WAY OFF OF NORTH LAWN.
THAT WAS CERTAINLY PURPOSEFUL BECAUSE THERE ARE SMALLER RESIDENTIAL HOMES ON THE NORTH LAWN SIDE.
SAW MILL ROAD WE FELT COULD TAKE LOTS MORE BULK.
WELL, ALSO, JUST TO ALWAYS REMEMBER THE, THE FIRST THING THAT WE'RE COMING TO EVERYBODY WITH IS A DESIGN THAT WORKS FOR PARKING.
THAT'S LIKE, I KNOW THAT THAT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS, THAT IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST PLACE THAT WE START IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CIRCULATION TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE PARKING LANES AND WE HAVE ENOUGH SPACE.
IT, IT DOESN'T SOUND CRAZY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS WOULD CERTAINLY BE A BIG CONCERN FOR THE RESIDENTS ON NORTH LAWN, RIGHT.
THAT ANY PARKING STREET ON STREET PARKING THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE WOULD BE IMPACTED.
THE THE, THE COMPROMISE HERE IS CLEARLY BULK ON THE SAWMILL SIDE.
TRAFFIC FLOW ON THE LAWN SIDE.
WE CAN PLAY WITH THIS MIX AS WE GO.
BUT WE TRY TO START WITH SOMETHING TO EXPLAIN THE VARIABLES AND PLAY.
WELL OF COURSE THERE HAS TO BE A STARTING POINT.
I'M JUST LOOKING ACTUALLY AT, YOU KNOW, IN, AT THE SITE AS IT CURRENTLY IS AND THERE THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A STREETLIGHT OR CROSSWALK ANYWHERE NEARBY.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANNA CONSIDER.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL GET TO.
TRAFFIC, WE OFTEN INSTALL CROSSWALKS IN OUR PROPERTIES.
HOW WOULD CURB CUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, HOW, IN THE PICTURE THAT'S SHOWN THERE, ARE YOU SHOWING IT STEPPING BACK ON THE NORTH LAWN SIDE? IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A BOX TO ME.
SORRY, STEPPING BACK FROM YEAH, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO ENVISION IT FROM THE, THIS IS NORTH LAWN? YEAH, THAT'S NORTH LAWN.
IT'S LIKE PULLED BACK FROM THE NORTH LAWN SIDE.
BUT HE'S SAYING HEIGHT WAS STEPPED DOWN FROM IT'S HIGHER, RIGHT? YOU SAID IT WAS SEVEN STORIES? YEAH, YOU CAN SEE SEVEN STORIES.
YOU CAN SEE IT IN THAT PICTURE.
IF YOU LOOK AT HERE, LOOK AT THE SIDE CUT.
IT'S SEVEN STORIES FROM THE NORTH.
SAWMILL, RIVERSIDE FROM THE NORTH LAWN SIDE, THOUGH, LIKE THE STREET IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHERE OUR ENTRANCE IS.
IT'S SEVEN STORIES ON BOTH SIDES.
SO IT'S SIX STORIES OFF OF THAT SIDE.
BUT FROM THE ACTUAL STREET ON NORTH LAWN, IT'S PROBABLY AROUND 55, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
'CAUSE LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, A DECLINE INTO THE PARKING LOT.
AM I, SO THE ILLUSTRATION I'M SEEING HERE IS THAT THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN THE BUILDING ITSELF.
IT'S SEVEN STORIES ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
SO IT'S THE PERCEPTION FROM THE DIFFERENT AREAS.
IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE STEPPING DOWN THE BUILDING.
IF THAT WAS, I DIDN'T IF THAT WAS THE CORRECT.
WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING FROM YOUR HOME OR ON THE STREET UP THERE FROM WHERE YOU ARE? IT'S ONLY 55 FEET AHEAD.
IT'S NOT 75 FEET ABOVE, BUT WE'RE NOT SHOWING ANY OF THE HOMES TO SEE.
WE'LL HAVE TO DO VISUAL, A VISUAL STUFF, DO IT.
UMMS FORT IS LIKE A VOLUNTEER FIRE, UH, DEPARTMENT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE PROBABLY THE CAPITAL OF THE, THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS ANYWHERE.
UM, AND I KNOW AN SO WHAT ABOUT LEY? UH, ELMSFORD IS SUCH A VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, COMMUNITY.
AND WHEN I SPEAK TO SOME OF THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS, UM, THEY ALWAYS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
MANY, MANY OF THEM WOULD, WOULD QUALIFY IN ARDSLEY.
UM, FOR THE, LIKE THE WATER WHEEL PROPERTY THEY GAVE PRIORITY TO, UH, TO VOLUNTEERS.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WORK WORKFORCE HOUSING, THAT'S WORKFORCE HOUSING.
NO, BUT I'M JUST, I I I'M ASKING IF THERE'S, WE DID THAT PROJECT AND THAT WAS BEFORE THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
THAT WAS BEFORE THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY LAWSUIT.
THERE WERE, THERE WERE PREFERENCE ISSUES YOU WERE ALLOWED TO
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DO.THERE'S ACTUALLY PROJECTS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON, THERE IS SOME MORE FLEXIBILITY ON THE FOR SALE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT FINANCING SOURCE.
YOU'RE, AND YOU MAY START READING ABOUT THAT IN PLACES LIKE WHITE PLAINS AND OTHER PLACES, THEY HAVE STARTED TO PUT CERTAIN LOCAL PREFERENCES BACK IN.
THEY WERE FROWNED UPON FOR A LONG TIME, BUT THEY WERE ALLOWED.
PART OF THAT'S GONNA DEPEND ON YOUR POPULATION AND IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT RESTRICTING IT OR PRE GIVING PREFERENCE TO YOUR MUNICIPALITY.
IF YOU HAVE A DIVERSE ENOUGH POPULATION, THEY WILL POTENTIALLY WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE EXPERT AT IT TOO.
WE CAN, WE TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE CAN'T GUARANTEE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
IT'S JUST NOW COMING BACK INTO PLAY.
IT WAS PROHIBITED WHILE THE, WHILE THE, THE COUNTY'S LAWSUIT WAS PENDING AND THE SETTLEMENT AND ALL OF THAT.
AND THERE ARE SOME AREAS, SO IN WHITE PLAINS FOR EXAMPLE, WE JUST DID A PROJECT WHERE THEY ALLOWED SOME LOCAL PREFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS ON FOR SALE.
AND THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT FINANCING STREAM, BUT THEY ARE STARTING TO EXAMINE IT ON RENTAL AS WELL.
'CAUSE MY MY FEELING IS TO, IF WE, IF YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS FROM THIS DISCUSSION THAT UM, THE MAJOR CONCERN THAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD HAVE WOULD BE THE HOMEOWNERS WHO LIVE, YOU KNOW, ON NORTH LAWN.
BUT THE THING IS, WHAT I SORT OF FEEL IS WE DEFINITELY KNOW WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UM, AND SO EVERYBODY SUPPORTS THE CONCEPT.
SO IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT LIKE A WAY OF SAYING TO RESIDENTS OF ELMSFORD AND, YOU KNOW, NORTH ELMSFORD THIS WHOLE AREA, THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A BENEFIT TO THE, TO, YOU KNOW, TO THEM.
UM, AND UM, AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE PRIORITY, UH, TO, UH, TO RESIDENTS WHO ARE VOLUNTEERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE THIS MUCH EASIER.
UH, AND WE, WE COULD GET SOME, YOU KNOW, IF WE GET THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT SUPPORTING THIS, IT'S GONNA BE MUCH EASIER TO GET THIS APPROVED QUICKER.
AS MARK SAID, IT'S HARD TO COMMIT TO TODAY.
IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD WORK TOWARDS TO HAVE A PORTION OF THE BUILDING WITH A PRIORITY.
UM, IT'S JUST SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LIKE, WORK ON WITH THE STATE.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST THROWING OUT IDEAS LIKE CRAZY.
BUT THINGS THAT WE HOPE TO CONSIDER, WE MACHINE'S POINT, WE, WE DID RESTRICT IT.
WE, WE GAVE FIRST PREFERENCE TO POLICE AND FIRE, VOLUNTEER FIRE IN LEY.
'CAUSE THEY HAD, THAT WAS A BIG PIECE OF IT.
WELL, YEAH, BUT YOU WERE, YOU HAD A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY BACK THEN.
WELL, THE REASON WHY WE HAD FLEXIBILITY, 'CAUSE I WORKED ON THAT.
UM, THIS IS REALLY HISTORY NOW, BUT ODDSLY COULD NOT DO PREFERENTIAL, UM, AGREEMENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE PART OF THE LAWSUIT.
THE UNINCORPORATED AREA WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY, UH, WAS ABLE TO PUT INTO THE CONTRACT THE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT BECAUSE OF OUR DIVERSITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT DID MAKE SOME PEOPLE HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT MANY OF THE VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS, UH, WERE OVER INCOME AND COULDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HOUSING.
IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T WIND UP SELLING OUT.
BUT, BUT IT WAS ALSO DONE AT 120% A MI IT WAS NOT DONE AT 80.
I WANT MY, I'M GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MY COMPUTER.
IT'S GONNA RESTART IN A MINUTE.
UH, THEY'RE SICK OF OUR SLIDES ANYWAY.
I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO GET TO, THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF LIKE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT KIND OF LIKE THE ZONING, THE ZONING VARIANCES.
UM, BUT THERE'S TWO OTHER PIECES I WANT TO GET TO, TO GET TO.
UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK AROUND THE EDGES WITH A LOT OF THESE THINGS, BUT WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SENSE AT THIS POINT OF LIKE WHAT WE CAN FINANCE WITHIN THE TERM SHEETS.
UH, THERE'S BEEN A, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHERE INTEREST RATES, CONSTRUCTION COSTS, LIKE WHAT OUR SUBSIDY SOURCES ARE AND YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF KIND OF LIKE COVID RECOVERY MONEY THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, WHICH IS NOW DONE, GONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE KIND OF HAVE A SENSE AND, AND WE THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE THINK WE CAN DO.
THIS IS THE TYPE OF BUILDING AND THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT LITTLE MINOR THINGS AND, AND CHANGES AS WE GO.
UM, SO LIKE FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF HAVE A SENSE, WE WANNA GET A SENSE OF LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS REALLY THINK OF THAT.
THERE'S VERY SPECIFICS ON WHAT HE'S SAYING.
YOU HAVE THAT ON THIS AREA THAT ALLOWS THE USE.
THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT'S GONNA ALLOW THE HEIGHT.
THERE'S NOT, HE'S REFERRING TO VARIANCE.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING TO DO THIS THROUGH A ZONING AMENDMENT OF SOME KIND AND A CHANGE TO THE MAP TO ACCOMPLISH IT.
WHICH IS WITHIN YOUR AUTHORITY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TALKING TO YOU AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S THAT? AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO THE ZONING BOARD.
I I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
I MEAN, I THINK, AND WE ALSO DON'T WANT THE EXTRA BOARD TO GO TO AND THE EXTRA TIME AND THE EFFORT.
IT'S THE, YOU CAN SOLVE THIS THROUGH SPECIAL PERMITTING.
YOU CAN SPOT SOLVE THIS THROUGH ZONE CHANGING AND ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO GET A READ ON YOU AS TO WHETHER, ASSUMING WE
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CAN GET THROUGH THESE ISSUES YOU RAISED, WHICH IS RESIDENTS, UH, OBJECTIONS, WHICH WE KNOW WE HAVE TO GO TALK TO THEM AND GO THROUGH AND, AND THE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE STUDIES AND PARKING MANAGEMENT AS TO HOW TO DO THE ALLEY.WE WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE AND WE GET TO A POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, REASONABLY WE HAVE IT IN A PLACE.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN BOARD COULD SUPPORT OF CREATING A, SOMETHING IN YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON NINE A IN THAT AREA THAT, AND AFTER THAT'S DONE WE'LL SAY HOW DO WE DEAL WITH EL EXPERT? BUT FOR NOW, WE, WE ARE, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE ASKING ABOUT TODAY.
DO YOU PROPOSED, DO YOU HAVE THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE OF, FOR A LOCAL LAW? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
SO, BUT ARE YOU CONCERNED, ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT I'M, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE WEIRD.
WHAT DO YOU CARE WHAT THE LANGUAGE SAYS? THERE'S, THERE'S AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A ZONING BOARD, RIGHT? AND RATHER THAN GO TO THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH ARE NEIGHBORS AND WE'LL WEIGH THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANT VERSUS THE DETRIMENT, THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST CHANGE THE ZONE.
BUT WHAT'S THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT IN THAT AREA? THERE'S A REASON FOR IT.
AND THE REASON FOR IT IS THAT THERE WAS A ZONE ZONING CODE THAT WAS CREATED MANY YEARS AGO THAT SEGREGATED OUT USES IN PARTICULAR AREAS.
YOU PUT SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HERE, YOU PUT YOUR SHOPPING HERE, YOU DID THAT.
THERE'S BEEN A BIG CHANGE TO THAT.
IT'S GOING ON ALL OVER WESTCHESTER.
WE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE DID THE SHERIDAN HOTEL OVER ON ONE 19 AND WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, YOU START PUTTING RESIDENCES WITHIN, WITHIN COMMERCIAL AREAS, ET CETERA.
WE THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS IS PLACES LIKE NINE A SHOULD HAVE RESIDENCES.
THERE SHOULD BE A MIX OF USES.
SO WE'RE COMING WITH A PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT WE BELIEVE THIS IS GOOD COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.
SO WE BELIEVE THERE'S A REASON, NOT JUST A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT AREA BECAUSE THIS IS THE KIND OF ZONING WHICH CAN BE MAPPED IN SO THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN, WITH YOUR DISCRETION, MAP IT ONTO A MAIN THOROUGHFARE LIKE THAT, WHICH SHOULD HAVE AREAS AND POSSIBILITIES OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
WE'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE PLACES TO BUILD OUR HOUSING.
SO THAT'S WHY WE THINK IT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.
SO YOU'RE GONNA PROPOSE A CODE CHANGE THAT'LL ALLOW SEVEN STORY BUILDINGS ALONG NINE A IN THAT AREA WITH YOUR PERMIT? YEAH.
UP TWO FOR EXAMPLE, I I I DO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO YOU MAY HAVE A FEW MORE STREETS THAT GET UPSET.
BUT AGAIN, IF YOU DO IT THROUGH A PROCESS OF MAPPING WHERE YOU CREATE AN OVERLAY ZONE, WHICH CAN BE MAPPED UNDER CERTAIN SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, THEN THAT'S THE WAY THEY DO IT THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER COUNTY.
AND, AND WHEN THEY FIND THE AREA THAT THEY WANT ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA, LET'S HEAR WHAT AARON IS SAYING.
HERE'S, UH, JUST A COUPLE PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS.
IF THIS SLOT WAS VACANT OR IF THE SLOT HAD NON-RESIDENTIAL USES ON IT, UH, THIS TEAM WOULD NOT BE HERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE A VIABLE PATHWAY TO CHANGE A ZONE FOR THIS SITE TO DO WHAT THEY DESIRE TO DO THERE.
THE KEY IS THAT THERE'S EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY THERE.
THE APPETITE FOR HOW DENSE THE TOWN BOARD, UH, FEELS IS APPROPRIATE.
THERE IS A MAJOR QUESTION AND I THINK THAT WE'LL OF COURSE HAVE TO, LIKE YOU CORRECTLY NOTED, INVOLVE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND VIEW SHED ANALYSIS AND TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, THAT SORT OF THING.
THEY'RE NOT COMING TO THE TABLE WITH, UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING ANY TYPE OF MIXED USE BUILDING LIKE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL.
THIS TO ME IS A STRAIGHT RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
WE'D NEVER BE ABLE TO, I THINK THAT, UM, IF THE TOWN BOARD'S OPEN TO IT, IT, IT WOULD BE VIABLE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE TO CONSIDER THE M DISTRICT AND M DISTRICT IN THE, THAT EXISTS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AS APPROPRIATE ZONING MECHANISM FOR THIS SITE ONLY.
I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND DOING ANYTHING BEYOND THIS SITE, UH, UNLESS IT'S PART OF A MUCH LARGER STUDY AND A MUCH LARGER LOOK AT THE AREA AND A MUCH LARGER LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, SO THE KEY IS THAT THERE'S EXISTING MULTIFAMILY HERE.
I DON'T THINK THE TERM SPOT ZONING ENTERS INTO THE EQUATION.
'CAUSE WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWING IS A BETTER VERSION OF WHAT EXISTS.
UM, AND I DO THINK THAT LONG TERM, IF SOMETHING WERE TO ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION HERE ON THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL SPOT WITH A ONE INDIVIDUAL REZONE, I DO THINK IT'S GONNA OPEN ALL OF OUR EYES TO THINK IN MORE OF A 3, 5, 10 YEAR PERIOD ABOUT THE REST OF THE QUARTER.
AND PART OF THAT WILL BE PLANNING WITH THE VILLAGE OF ELER.
UM, BUT I MEAN IT COULD, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THOUGHTS THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT.
UM, IT COULD HELP, HELP CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE ROAD, WHICH IS VERY INDUSTRIAL RIGHT NOW OVER TIME TO SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT WITH A HUNDRED UNITS OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ONTO THAT ROAD.
WELL THERE'S, I MEAN, IT WILL CHANGE, WHICH IS HEAVILY TRAFFICKED TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE ROAD GETS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF FLOODING, NOT THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH IS GREAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, BEAVER HILL KNOW THE INTERSECTION THERE.
UH, HOW FAR I'VE BEEN WAITING.
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IS THAT, HOW FAR IS THAT INTERSECTION? NOT FAR AT ALL.WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING I'M JUST SAYING THAT AT LEAST FOR ME, I'M NEVER GOOD AT SIT DOWN AT A TABLE HERE'S, YOU KNOW, PRETTY PICTURES.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE SMALL WORDS THAT YOU CAN'T READ.
EVEN THE ONES THAT WERE SAID YESTERDAY, IT'S, THEY'RE NOT AS DETAILED AS WHAT YOU HAVE HERE, WHICH IS GOOD THAT YOU'VE IMPROVED THEM.
WE TRIED TO AVOID THE PRETTY PICTURES.
BUT I, WHEN I CAN'T READ WHAT IS ON THE SLIDE 'CAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR PRESENTATION.
IT'S MORE FOR YOU TO READ, TO REMIND YOURSELF OF WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DISCUSSING.
UM, SO WE COULD, COULD WE GET SOME BETTER RENDERING
BUT WE ALSO HAVE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THAT STREET TO BE TURNED INTO WHAT IT MAY TURN INTO, BUT IT MAY NOT.
UH, MY GUESS IS YOU SAY, OH, WE COULD CUT DOWN THE PARKING ON THE LOT.
THEY'RE JUST GONNA PARK ON NORTH LAWN.
AND NOW THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON NORTH LAWN WILL HAVE FEWER PLACES.
AND IT'LL BE LIKE, THEY LIVE IN QUEENS AND THEY HAVE TO WORRY, WILL THEY HAVE A PARKING SPOT WHEN THEY COME HOME? WE GOTTA AVOID THAT.
BUT THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS DO WE GIVE THEM THE GO AHEAD TO SAY, WE'RE SOMEWHAT INTERESTED, WE HAVEN'T COMMITTED TOTALLY TO THIS, BUT BASICALLY, UM, IF WE COULD WORK OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT DURING THE HEARING STAGES AND THE REVIEW PROCESS, IT'S WORTH, UM, PURSUING.
I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN IS R THAT WE WANT, THAT SHOULD BE GOTTEN RID OF.
UH, THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD HAS SAID TO US THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY FEEL IT'S, IT'S ALSO AN IS R WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITIES.
UH, WEST TAB IS, HAS A PROVEN TRACK RECORD IN GREENBURG AND AROUND THE COUNTY.
THEY DO A REALLY GOOD, YOU KNOW, GOOD JOB.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, A THIRD RATE DEVELOPER.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A DEVELOPER THAT BASICALLY KNOWS HOW TO BUILD QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO I THINK THAT IT, IT'S, AND ALSO ALL THESE PROCESSES, ONCE THEY GET STARTED, THERE'S ALWAYS HEARINGS AND REVIEWS AND IT TAKES, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAPPENS IN A YEAR.
IT'S PROBABLY A TWO, THREE YEAR PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT ISN'T THAT I, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYTHING APPROVED AND, AND, UH, LESS THAN, USUALLY IT'S LIKE 3, 2, 3 YEARS BEFORE CONSTRUCTION ACTUALLY STARTS.
I THINK YOU GOT PROJECTS, GARY, THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE LONG TO ME, LONG TO ME, FOR A GUY THAT WORKS BY THE HOUR, WE HAVE NEVER HAD A PROJECT SINCE I'VE BEEN, EVEN THE ONES THAT EVERYBODY LOVES.
REGENERON DIDN'T TAKE A, SO ONE THING I PICKED UP ON FROM THE TOWN BOARD IS PUBLIC, PUBLIC INPUT.
I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH, IF YOU CAN, TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN HELP US WITH THAT, TO GET NEIGHBORS INVOLVED.
WE CAN HOST A ZOOM, THERE'S WORK FOR US TO DO, AND MONEY TO EXPEND TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE MATERIALS TOGETHER, TO GET TO THE NEXT STEP WHERE WE WOULD BE READY TO GO TALK TO NEIGHBORS, DO THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO GET.
YOU WANT A GENERAL FEELING OF, OF WHETHER WE WANT A GENERAL FEELING OF WHETHER YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT.
THAT'S REALLY, AND ANOTHER JUST ANOTHER POINT WORTH CONSIDERATION, UM, WITHIN BEING ABLE, YOU KNOW, OFTEN IT'S CREATING AMENITIES AS A, AS A, AS A WAY TO BETTER FIT THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT, BUT, UM, COUNCILMAN SHEEN MENTIONED THE FLOODING SHORT WHILE AWAY, AND WE TALKED ABOUT FLOOD REMEDIATION AND YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT DIRECTLY AFFILIATED WITH YOUR PROPERTY, IF THERE IS SOME WAY TO ALLEVIATE THAT, BECAUSE IT DOES BENEFIT IF THEY'RE HAVING TO SHUT DOWN SAW MILL RIVER ROAD FOR, FOR COMMUTATION, FOR EVEN THE RESIDENTS OF YOUR BUILDING.
JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE THERE ARE MONIES OUT THERE, A HEAVY LIFT THOUGH, FOR THEM TO SOLVE THE FLOODING PROBLEM.
WELL, NO, NO, BUT I'LL MENTION ANOTHER THING.
THEY CAN HELP IF THERE'S SOMETHING THEY CAN, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT FAMILIAR.
WHILE YOU'RE RIGHT, THE, BUT THE FLOODING ISSUE IS REALLY NOT ONE THAT SOUNDS LIKE AS IF IT'S IMPACTING THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHICH I THINK IS WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE WORK TO DO AS FAR AS GETTING PEOPLE ON BOARD WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF THOSE ISSUES, SUCH AS TRAFFIC, ET CETERA, WHICH I THINK THEY DEAL WITH MORE REGULARLY, IS PROBABLY WHERE WE'RE GONNA, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO MORE OF A FOCUS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THAT TRAFFIC ON NINE A AND, AND, AND, SURE.
WELL, THAT'S WHY I ASKED HOW CLOSE BE IT, IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKELY THAT'S GONNA BE, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD FOCUS THAT.
IT WILL NOT BE HARD TO MAKE MODEST STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS
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ON THIS.ONE OF THE OTHER COMMUNITY BENEFITS I THINK, JUST TO KEEP IN MIND IS THE TYPES OF JOBS THAT WE'RE CREATING.
THESE ARE CONSTRUCTION JOBS, YOU KNOW, WHICH ARE GOOD HIGH PAYING JOBS.
THAT'S SHORT TERM THAT, WELL, THERE'S TWO OTHER, I MEAN, WE WILL HAVE PERMANENT PEOPLE EMPLOYED AT THE STAFF, BUT ALSO WE USE A LOT OF LOCAL BUSINESSES FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.
WE HAVE GARBAGE COLLECTION, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO COME IN AND SERVICE ELEVATORS.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE TO FIND LOCAL BUSINESSES TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT COST EFFECTIVE AND IT MAKES SENSE.
SO WE END UP USING A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCAL AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE REAL BENEFITS AS WELL.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS WITH REGARD TO ELMSFORD HERE? I MEAN, WE, THE BUILDING FOR THE MOST PART IS IN GREENBURG, FOR THE MOST PART IN GREENBURG, BUT THERE'S A PORTION OF IT IN ELMSFORD.
I THINK LIKE, WE WOULD BE HOPING THAT WE CAN FIND SOME SORT OF STREAMLINED PROCESS WHERE WE'RE GOING THROUGH ONE SECRET PROCESS FOR BOTH MUNICIPALITIES.
OTHERWISE, HONESTLY, THEY CAN, WELL, I'LL SEND THEM.
MAYOR, HAS THAT HAPPENED IN GAR? CAN I DO THAT? A COPY OF THIS? UH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
WE WANNA UNDERSTAND THEIR ZONING, THEIR PROCESS, AND WE WOULD MERGE THE TWO.
SO I THINK IF YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH, WITH MAYOR WILLIAMS, I'M PRETTY SURE MAYBE THAT'S, I'M PRETTY, I THINK IF YOU START THERE, YOU KNOW, HE'S, YOU KNOW, AND IF YOU WANNA PUT THIS OUT RIGHT, THIS SHOWS THE DEMARCATION, AND THEN HE CAN TELL YOU, HE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS.
SO THE FACT THAT WEST HALF IS INVOLVED TO ME, MAKES THIS WORTH CONSIDERING.
UH, BUT I, AGAIN, SITTING HERE, REMOVE THE AMERICAN FLAG OF GLAD, UM, SITTING HERE, THE, UM, UM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO, RIGHT? SO I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IN FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW SAYING, HEY, WE DON'T INVESTED IN THIS AND WE THIS AND THIS AND THIS.
YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST TELL US? NO, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA HAVE SOME TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES ON NORTH LAWN.
UH, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A CODE CHANGE, WHAT'S NOW THE IMPACT, YOU KNOW, UP AND DOWN THE CORRIDOR FOR WHATEVER YOU, YOU'RE PUTTING THAT CODE, WHICH IS GONNA BRING OUT MORE PEOPLE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE WAY TO GO, BUT, WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
DO THINK GARRETT'S SUGGESTION IS PROBABLY A BETTER ONE.
BUT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF A POSITIVE RESPONSE SHOULD YOU BE ABLE TO OVERCOME THE ISSUES WE'VE BROUGHT UP.
SO I WILL SAY FIRST FOR MY, ON MY BEHALF, THAT I DO HAVE A POSITIVE RESPONSE AND HOPE THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, BECAUSE INCREASING OUR INVENTORY IS SO IMPORTANT.
SO I THINK, I THINK WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE, I THINK WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY INTERESTED IN WHAT THE CONCEPT THAT YOU WERE GONNA BRING TO US, BUT JUST AS WHAT WAS OUTLINED BEFORE, WE JUST NEED TO SEE THOSE, THOSE THINGS ADDRESSED.
THE IDEA THAT THERE'S TONS OF WORK AHEAD.
AND THE NUMBER OF STUDIES THAT HAPPEN BY THE TIME YOU GET THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS.
I THINK I JUST WANT TO SAY ON LIKE THE TRANSPARENCY, UH, SIDE OF THINGS.
WE FELT LIKE BY COMING HERE, SO PRELIMINARY, IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO JUST PUT IT ON THE TABLE, SAY, LOOK, IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS IT WOULD TAKE MM-HMM
SHOULD WE GO DO ALL THE WORK RATHER THAN COME HERE WITH A FULLY, FULLY PACKAGED DEAL? I UNDERSTAND.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
THE ONLY THING IS THAT THIS WASN'T LIKE IN OUR QUEUE FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR WHATEVER IN OUR QUEUE IN THE LAST COUPLE.
I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT MECHANICS WERE THE NEIGHBORS TO SEND US FEEDBACK AFTER WE, WE DIDN'T KNOW.
AND WHAT THE BOARD MEMBERS EVEN SAID, WE DON'T THEM TO FEEL LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO, THE NEIGHBORS CLEARLY DON'T KNOW.
BUT THEY'LL SEE A TAPE OF THIS OR UNDERSTOOD.
AND WE, WE DATING MYSELF, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU TOLD US TO GO TALK TO THE NAMES.
BY THE WAY, IF YOU HEAR FROM 30 OF THEM THAT SAY NO, GIVE US THEIR NAMES AND WE'LL GO TALK TO THEM.
WE DO TAKE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY.
YOU KNOW, FOR DECADES OUR OFFICE WAS ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD IN ELMSFORD, AROUND THE CORNER FROM THIS SITE.
AS I SAID, A LOT OF US DRIVE BY THIS KIND OF EVERY DAY WE'RE NEIGHBORS.
UH, WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO TALK TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
NO, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PARTNERSHIP.
WE HAVE SOMEONE AT SEVEN THAT WE WAS YEAH, THANKS FOR ALL THE TIME.
DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THE TELL YOU THAT WE INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T SHOW IT TO YOU ON TIME.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE STRATEGY.
YOU GOOD? SO, COUPLE SPELLING, THEY SPELLED GREENBERG MIDDLE.
AARON, HOW ARE YOU? I FELL RIGHT INTO IT.
AND WE ARE, WE ARE ABOUT HALF, HALF AN HOUR BEHIND SCHEDULE AT THIS POINT, JUST TO GIVE EVERYONE
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THANK YOU.OKAY, AARON, THE STAGE IS YOURS.
I'M AARON HEREWARD, ASSISTANT CIVIL ENGINEER FOR THE GREENBERG ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, TONIGHT I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE A GENERAL LIST OF CHANGES TO OUR LOCAL HIGHWAY INVENTORY LIST, AND THAT REQUIRES YOUR APPROVAL.
UM, SO I WANTED TO INTRODUCE WHAT THAT IS, THE PROCEDURE FOR UPDATING IT, AND BASICALLY THE FUTURE OF MAINTENANCE FOR ROADS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THAT LIST.
AND, UM, PARDON ME FOR READING OFF THE PAPER, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS ANY INFORMATION.
UM, SO THE LOCAL HIGHWAY INVENTORY, OR LHI FOR SHORT, THAT'S A LIST OF PUBLIC ROADWAYS OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY COUNTIES, CITIES, TOWNS, AND VILLAGES IN NEW YORK STATE.
AND THE LIST IS CREATED BY THE NEW YORK STATE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND IT CONTAINS DATA OF THESE ROADS AND IS A KEY COMPONENT FOR THE DOT'S FUNDING DISTRIBUTION.
SO ONE OF THE MAIN USES IS FOR THE CONSOLIDATED LOCAL STREET AND HIGHWAY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, OR, UH, CHIPS FOR SHORT.
AND THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, THE STATE PROVIDES REIMBURSEMENT FOR, TO LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES FOR ROADWAY WAVE IMPROVEMENTS, SUCH AS PAVING.
SO THE AMOUNT ALLOTTED TO EACH MUNICIPALITY IS BASED ON THAT DATA PROVIDED.
SO STUFF LIKE, UM, STREET MILEAGE, UM, LANE WIDTH, TOTAL WIDTH OF THE ROAD, UM, THAT INFORMATION WE GIVE TO THE STATE, AND THEN THEY GIVE US, UM, MONEY BACK BASICALLY FOR PAVING IT.
UM, SO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN AN UPDATE UPTODATE AND ACCURATE INFORMATION, THE STATE REACHES OUT TO LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES LIKE US AND ASKS FOR ANY UPDATE FOR THIS INFORMATION.
AND WE SUBMIT THIS CERTIFICATION TO THE STATE.
AND AGAIN, IT JUST ASKS FOR TOTAL CENTER MILES OF THE ROADS OWNED BY US.
AND, UM, BASICALLY WHAT THOSE ROADS ARE, UM, IF THEY'RE OWNED BY US, UH, LEGALLY.
UM, SO GREENBERG STAFF HAS GONE THROUGH THE LIST, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO THAT LIST.
AND THESE CHANGES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO CORRECTING THE DATA OF THE EXISTING ROADS, SUCH AS, UM, LENGTH OR WIDTH.
UM, REMOVING A HANDFUL OF ROADS THAT WERE INCORRECTLY LABELED BY THE, AND OWNED BY THE TOWN OR OLD ROADS THAT WERE MISSED FROM THE LIST ENTIRELY.
AND TO SUBMIT THESE CHANGES, A RESOLUTION IS REQUIRED TO ADD OR MOVE OR CHANGE THOSE ROADWAYS.
UM, SO I'LL BE PROVIDING YOU GUYS A LIST OF ROADS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ADDING, REMOVING, OR CHANGING, AND I'M HOPING THAT THE RESOLUTION WILL BE APPROVED, UM, SO WE CAN SUBMIT THAT TO THE STATE.
UM, AND BASED ON THAT CRITERIA, WE'D ALSO LIKE TO USE THIS, UM, COMPREHENSIVE LIST AS A FUTURE REFERENCE FOR DETERMINING WHETHER THE TOWN WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF A ROAD.
SO UNLESS PROPER DOCUMENTATION IS PROVIDED SUCH AS A DEDICATION, UM, ALL ROADS NOT LISTED ON THIS ROAD ARE CONSIDERED PRIVATE AND WILL NOT BE MAINTAINED, UM, BY THE TOWN.
AND AN EXAMPLE ON THE, ON THE LIST.
SO ALL THE ROADS THAT ARE ON THE LIST ARE OURS AND MAINTAINED BY US.
AND MAINTENANCE CAN INCLUDE, UM, LIKE SNOW REMOVAL, PAVING, UM, CASH BASIN CLEANING, UM, AND REPAIRS.
AND ANY ROADS THAT ARE NOT ON THE LIST ARE CONSIDERED PRIVATE AND OWNED BY WHATEVER ENTITY, UM, OWNS IT.
I JUST WANTED TO KEEP IT SHORT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND, FOR, FOR THE REFERENCE, A PUBLIC ROAD WOULD BE CONSIDERED, UM, A ROAD THAT'S DEDICATED TO MOTORIZED TRAFFIC THAT'S OPEN FOR PUBLIC TRAVEL AND ACCEPTED BY THE TOWN FOR LEGAL LIABILITY AND MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY.
SO IF THAT DOESN'T, IF THAT ROAD DOESN'T HAVE ANY ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA, IT'S CONSIDERED, UH, PRIVATE.
AND APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY HOURS HAVE YOU PUT INTO THIS PROJECT?
UM, AS WE SEE IT, AND IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY SEVERAL STAFF AND THEY'VE MADE CHANGES, AND NOW THIS IS THE FINAL VERSION THAT YOU'RE PRESENTING TO US AFTER DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF HOURS OF GOING THROUGH EACH OF THE STREETS IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
AND, UM, WHAT I'M HEARING IS, WHICH I KNOW IS THAT THIS WILL, WILL, THIS WILL SERVE AS, UH, THESE ARE THE TOWN ROADS.
AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAYING, WELL, I THINK THERE'S A TOWN ROAD, IT'S NOT A TOWN ROAD.
THIS'LL BE A DEFINITIVE LIST OF WHAT THE TOWN BELIEVES TO BE TOWN ROADS.
UM, AND IS THERE ANY MISTAKES ON THE LIST? SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE PUT A LIST OR A STREET THAT'S NOT ON THERE AND SOMEONE THINKS THAT IT IS, UM, PUBLIC, IF THEY HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION SUCH AS A, A DEDICATION TO THAT ROAD, THEY CAN SUBMIT IT TO US AND WE'LL CHANGE IT, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK THIS LIST IS PRETTY CORRECT.
UM, QUESTION NUMBER ONE, HOW OFTEN, UH, DOES THE STATE REQUIRE YOU
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TO UPDATE THIS LIST? UH, TYPICALLY ANNUALLY.UM, WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO IT LAST YEAR BECAUSE, UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND WE'RE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY UPDATING THE LIST, BUT THEY TYPICALLY REACH OUT TO US ANNUALLY, AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE GETTING ANOTHER ONE OF THESE, UM, THIS MONTH OR NEXT MONTH.
SO IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE, ARE, IS IT A, A LIST THAT CAN BE CHANGED IMMEDIATELY OR DOES IT HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR'S REQUEST? I MEAN, IT TYPICALLY REQUIRES AN, A WHOLE YEAR TO KIND OF SOLIDIFY THOSE CHANGES, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THE STATE FOR ANY, UM, LIKE QUICK CHANGES, EXCEPTIONS, OR CHANGES.
AND THIS, AND THIS LIST WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO REVIEW? UM, OR WE SHOULD JUST CAUSE YOU, IF THERE WAS A QUESTION, IF THERE'S A STUDENT IN QUESTION.
UM, SO I GUESS THEY CAN CONTACT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IF THERE'S ANY, UH, CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, SAID LIST.
BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO FIND A WAY FOR US TO PUBLICLY RELEASE THIS LIST.
SO THERE'S NO, WE DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO REACH OUT TO US.
THEY CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, GO ON THE WEBSITE OR SOMETHING.
IT WILL, IT'LL HAVE TO BE POSTED WITH THE RESOLUTION.
I, I DO KNOW THAT ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GENERATED BY THE STATE OR COUNTY.
I THINK IT'S THROUGH THE PLANNING PORTAL THAT THERE'S AN INTERACTIVE MAT, SO YOU CAN CLICK ON ROADS TO FIND OUT OWNERSHIP, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, I THINK THERE IS A, IS THAT UP TO DATE? FOR THE MOST PART? IT IS.
UM, WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT, AGAIN, WE WILL, FOR OUR RESIDENTS, THAT THEY CAN DO IT THEMSELVES.
IF THEY WANTED TO GO AND CLICK ON A ROAD, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, UM, SEE IF IT'S PUBLIC OR PRIVATE OR WHAT OTHER, WHAT, UM, OTHER INFORMATION.
UM, UM, BUT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS LIST WAS APPROVED.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN ON OUR SITE LINK INTO THAT TO ALSO GIVE RESIDENTS SAY AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK ON SOME THINGS, IF THAT IS CURRENT, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS FREQUENTLY UPDATED AND CURRENT.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THAT THIS IS A REBUTTABLE LIST.
IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS WHAT THE TOWN BELIEVES IS ARE THE TOWN ROADS, BUT IF SOMEBODY CAN REBUT IT AND THEY CAN PROVE DOC DOCUMENTATION THAT THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YOU KNOW, WE'LL CONSIDER IT.
ARE THE PAPER STREETS ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT LIST? UM, NO, THANK YOU.
BECAUSE THEY WOULDN'T BE TOWN ROAD CONSIDERED TOWN ROADS THAT ARE PALABLE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I'M SORRY, WE JUST, WILL THIS BE ON THE NEXT MEETING OR UNTIL EIGHTH MEETING? YEAH.
THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS.
NEXT, UH, THE A DU DISCUSSION, WE INDICATED THAT WE WERE GONNA DISCUSS, I GUESS, THE COMMENTS OF THE HEARING AND SEE WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO.
AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A CONTINUED HEARING SCHEDULED FOR, DID YOU GIVE ME BACK OCTOBER 8TH WEEK FROM TOMORROW? OH.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, IF THE TOWN BOARD SEEKS TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE LOCAL LAW, WE WOULD MEMORIALIZE THAT AT A MEETING LIKE THIS AND THEN MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND POST ANY UPDATES, UH, FOR THE MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY.
IF THE BOARD WISHES TO MAKE NO CHANGES OF THAT MANNER, WE WOULD REPOST THE LOCAL LAW THAT WAS POSTED FOR THE SEPTEMBER 10TH, WHICH WAS OUR LAST A DU HEARING.
YOU WANNA REPEAT WHAT YOU NORMALLY SAY? NOPE.
ARE YOU, UH, NO, I, I HAD A DIFFERENT TOPIC.
SO, UM, I HAVE SOME ACTUAL QUESTIONS OR CLARIFICATIONS I'M LOOKING FOR AFTER READING SOME OF THE THINGS MORE CAREFULLY AND, AND LISTENING TO THE, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OR CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, AND THAT'S ABOUT THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, OF THE A DU ITSELF, THE 30% VERSUS 800, UH, SQUARE FOOT METRIC FOR USING THAT AS A, AS A TOOL OR AS YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE GUIDELINE FOR IT.
AND THERE'S, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME COMMENTARY THAT IT, THE 30% WOULD NOT ACTUALLY, UM, BE WORKABLE BECAUSE IT WOULD, THEN THE SIZE OF THE HOME WOULD BE PRECLUDED.
IF IT'S A SMALLER HOME, THEN, YOU KNOW, SO I, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
LIKE, IS IT, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE JUST TO STICK WITH SQUARE FOOTAGE IN TERMS OF THE MAXIMUM SIZE OF THE A DU, UM, OR, OR NOT? OKAY, SO THAT REFERENCE IS IN, UH, SECTION TWO.
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU THOUGHT I WAS GONNA SAY.
IS IT OF THE LOCAL LAW, A DU SIZE?
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I ALSO SHARED A CONCERN ABOUT IF THE 30% WAS UTILIZED IN A HOME THAT HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T A LARGE HOME, IF YOU WILL.BUT I THINK ON THE LOW END SIDE OF THINGS, THAT IT'S 30% OR GREATER.
SO FOUR HUNDRED'S ALWAYS GONNA BE THE BASELINE.
SO LET'S JUST SAY YOU HAVE A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT HOME AND MM-HMM
I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEONE SEEKING TO DO AN A DU AND A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT HOME.
BUT IF THE WAY THE NUMBERS WORK, IT WOULD DEFAULT TO THE 400.
SO IT'D BE 600 MAIN, 430% ESSENTIALLY WOULD NOT BE A FACTOR THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW NOW.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE LOW END SIDE OF THINGS.
THE RATIONALE ON THE 800 SQUARE FEET OR 30% OF GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE PRINCIPAL DWELLING UNIT, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.
I MEAN, ALL I CAN SPEAK OF IS THE RATIONALE THERE.
AND IF YOU HAD A SCENARIO WHERE, UH, ONE SOUGHT TO MAKE A BASEMENT AS AN EXAMPLE, THE, THE HABITABLE SPACE FOR AN A DU MM-HMM
AND THE NUMBERS WORKED OUT SUCH THAT YOU HAD, LET'S SAY, A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IN THAT BASEMENT THAT COULD BE HABITABLE IN A SAFE CODE EFFICIENT MANNER FOR AN A DU.
IT, IT MAKES IT SO THAT YOU COULD DO A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, UH, MOTHBALL 200 SQUARE FEET OF THAT THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A CONCERN THAT IF SOMEONE HAS, UH, YOU KNOW, AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME AND YOU RUN THOSE NUMBERS AND YOU KNOW, IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU COULD DO LIKE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, I MEAN TO WE WATER, YOU KNOW, A DU IN THE BASEMENT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT, I DON'T THINK 2000 SQUARE FEET IS IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT AN A DU IS.
SO, UM, COULD THERE PERHAPS BE SOME OTHER CONTROL, LIKE A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER MM-HMM
UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
MAYBE HAVING SOME MORE CRITERIA AROUND IT.
THERE COULD ALSO BE AN ELEMENT OF, UM, THE 30%, UM, RATIONALE HERE WOULD NOT COME INTO PLAY IF AN EXTENSION WAS MADE TO THE HOUSE.
SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A WAY TO MAKE AN EXTENSION AND SORT OF FLUFF THE NUMBERS SO THAT YOU COULD GET BONUS IF YOU WILL.
UM, BUT I REALLY DO THINK THE INTENT IS JUST TO MAKE IT SO THAT ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO SECTION OFF A PORTION OF THEIR BASEMENT, UM, SORT OF ARBITRARILY, IF YOU WILL.
IF IT GOES, UH, MODERATELY ABOVE THE 800 SQUARE FEET, LET'S THINK ABOUT HOW WE COULD PROPOSE SOME MODIFICATIONS THAT WOULD GIVE CLARITY AND MORE DEFINITION.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAD ON THE OTHER SIDE THOUGH, IF YOU HAD AN, A HOUSE THAT WAS 1,150 SQUARE FEET, YOU COULDN'T REALLY DO AN A DU THEN IN THAT CASE.
RIGHT? I DON'T THINK YOU'D WANT TO, BUT, UH,
BUT IF THE BOARD IS SUPPORTIVE OF GENERALLY EXPLORING, UM, SOMETHING THAT GIVES A LITTLE MORE CONTROL THERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE AN EXAMPLE WHERE SOMEONE COULD ACTUALLY, WITH THE NUMBERS CREATE A 2000 SQUARE FOOT A DU, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
AND I CAN WORK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND, UM, HAVE SOMETHING, UH, THAT WE COULD EMAIL OUT AND, AND, AND, AND, AND POST YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO THAT.
WE WOULD JUST POST AN UPDATE AND WE WOULD HEAR COMMENTS ON THAT.
WHAT MEAN THAT THE HOUSE IS MORE THAN 606,000 SQUARE FEET? YES.
BUT YOU, YOU, THERE ARE HOMES LIKE THAT.
THE, BUT WE'RE SAYING, SO WE'RE SAYING WITH A 6,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, YOU CAN ONLY GO UP TO A MAX OF 800 OR 30, WHATEVER.
WELL, THE 30% PERCENT, IT'LL BE 30.
IT WOULD BE GREATER IN THE SCENARIO.
UM, SO THAT WOULD AFFORD EXTRA, EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING MAYBE THE PERCENTAGE IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER NOW, SO JUST I'D LIKE TO SOMETHING GO BACK TO THE LABORATORY AND CHECK EXACTLY.
AND YOU KNOW, ALSO HOMES ARE STRUCTURED, YOU KNOW, BUILT AND STRUCTURED VERY DIFFERENTLY.
SO A HOU A HOUSE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, 1200 OR 11, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, IT DEPENDS ON THE LAYOUT, WHETHER OR NOT IT MIGHT BE WORKABLE FOR AN A DU.
BUT IF, IF IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFIED BECAUSE IT CAN'T REACH THAT 30% THRESHOLD, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THEN THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
THE PERCENTAGE, ONE THING ALSO, AND I I'M DEFINITELY A, A PROPONENT OF THIS IS I SEE NO HARM IN PROPOSING AN ALTERNATE TO THAT JUST SIMPLY STRIPS OUT THE 30%, UM, ONE THAT DOES MAYBE A THIRD ALTERNATE THAT, UM, MAYBE HAS A CONTROL, UM, WHERE
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IF THE 30% RESULTS IN ANYTHING IN EXCESS OF A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UM, SO WE, WE COULD PLAY WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.AND THEN ALL THAT'S GONNA DO IS, IS, IS POTENTIALLY STIMULATE PUBLIC INPUT MM-HMM
AND MAYBE YOU GET AN OVERWHELMING PROPORTION OF PEOPLE THAT COME OUT AND LIKE A CERTAIN ALTERNATIVE MM-HMM
AND GIVE RATIONALE FOR WHY THEY LIKE THAT ALTERNATIVE.
AND THAT GIVES YOU THE CONFIDENCE TO GO A CERTAIN DIRECTION.
BECAUSE PRESUMABLY IF YOU HAVE A, A LARGE, QUITE A LARGE HOUSE AND YOU HAVE A 30% OF THAT A DU, YOU COULD HAVE A A, YOU KNOW, A FAMILY OF FOUR LIVING
A LARGE FA YOU KNOW, A LARGE WELL FAMILY OF FOUR, YOU CAN YES.
FOUR, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT FAMILY.
LIKE THAT'S TRUE NO MATTER WHAT.
I THINK WE, WE CAN BEAT THIS TO DEATH.
I THINK WE KNOW WHAT WE WANNA, WHERE WE WANNA GO.
WHAT IS NEXT? THAT'S, THAT WAS A GOOD, THAT WAS A GOOD, OKAY.
AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE CONVERSION OF A GARAGE.
'CAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING ACTUALLY OUR CLERK BROUGHT UP WAY IN THE BEGINNING WHEN WE WAS THE BEGINNING OF WHEN I STARTED, UH, TALKING ABOUT ADUS.
UM, SO I REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION WHERE YOU ASKED MM-HMM
MADAM CLERK, IF YOU HAVE A GARAGE, WHICH IS A FREESTANDING GARAGE MM-HMM
IF YOU COULD TEAR IT DOWN AND THEN BUILD AN A DU MM-HMM
AND THEN THE ANSWER THAT I UNDERSTOOD WAS NO.
YOU SAID, WELL, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, WHAT IS IT THE SIZE? WAS IT YOUR LOT SIZE? UH, NO, WITHIN THE SETBACKS, COUPLE THINGS.
'CAUSE HOW I KNOW, I DO REMEMBER COUNCILMAN SHEEN SAYING NO, BECAUSE, UM, THE CAVEAT THAT YOU DIDN'T BRING UP, YOU WANTED TO PUT UP A TWO STORY NEW ONE.
WELL, LET'S HEAR WHAT GARY HAS.
LET'S REQUEST SO HERE AND EXACTLY GARY, I MEAN, YES, I DON'T KNOW WHO GARY IS, BUT GARY CAN, WELL
THE GARAGE IS NOT, IT WAS, IT WAS NEVER A TWO STORY.
IT WAS A ONE STORY, ACTUALLY A TWO TWO CAR GARAGE.
THE, THE, UM, FOUNDATION'S STILL THERE, BUT BECAUSE OF, UH, COMFORT ANTS, WE HAD TO TEAR IT DOWN.
SO, UM, I WENT THROUGH THE COMMISSIONER AND FOUND OUT I DO HAVE MORE THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET, 10,100, BUT IT'S MORE THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S WHEN I HAD ASKED THE QUESTION, CAN, CAN I REBUILD AN A DU AS OPPOSED TO A GARAGE, UM, IN THAT SAME AREA.
SO IT'S GARAGE CONVERSION RIGHT.
IS ACTUALLY, UH, SO IF THE GARAGE IS DEMOLISHED, EVEN WITH KEEPING THE, UH, I DON'T THINK YOU COULD DO THAT.
UM, A GARAGE CONVERSION CAN ONLY WORK IF YOU CAN OTHERWISE SHELL THAT YOU HAVE OFF STREET PARKING.
'CAUSE PRESUMABLY YOU'RE DISPLACING AN OFF STREET PARKING SPACE THAT YOU BY CODE ONE RELIED ON.
UM, HAVING SAID THAT THERE, I KNOW THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, CONVERSION OF A GARAGE THAT MANY GARAGES COULD BE IN THE SIDE YARD.
THERE IS A PROVISION IN HERE THAT SAYS IF IN THE PROPOSALS TO CONVERT A GARAGE IN THE SIDE YARD, UH, AND, AND THAT GARAGE IS LAWFULLY EXISTING, EITHER, UM, BY VIRTUE OF A VARIANCE OF THE ZONING BOARD OR JUST MEETING THE SETBACKS, YOU COULD CONVERT THAT, UM, PROVIDED THE PLANNING BOARD GRANTS A WAIVER THAT WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE.
UM, THE EXAMPLE OF A FREESTANDING A DU, WHICH IS SORT OF PREFABBED AND SORT OF BROUGHT AND PUT ON SITE, UM, THOSE BRAND NEW WOULD HAVE TO GO IN THE, UH, REAR YARD ONLY.
BUT THERE IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION BETWEEN RENOVATING AND DEMOLISHING YOUR GARAGE.
YOU CAN RENOVATE IT AND TURN IT INTO AN A DU EVEN IF IT'S ON THE SIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY.
IF YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS YES.
BUT YOU CAN'T DEMOLISH AND THEN BUILD A STRUCTURE THAT IS AN A DU WITHOUT ANY GARAGE, UNLESS IT'S IN THE REAR YARD, UNLESS THEY HAVE PARKING.
UNLESS THEY CAN SHOW THAT THEY HAVE AMPLE PARKING.
THAT, ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? MAYBE I'M NO, YOU CAN'T PUT UP A SEPARATE STAND STANDALONE DWELLING.
YOU COULD REBUILD A GARAGE AND HAVE IT IN A DU ABOVE IT.
'CAUSE THEN YOU WOULDN'T BE LOSING THE PARKING.
BUT IF WE, IF WE, SO IF I, IF I COULD IF YOU HAVE A GARAGE.
I'M JUST, THAT JUST ALWAYS STUCK IN MY MIND TO CLARIFY.
SO IF SHE, LISA TOOK DOWN HER GARAGE, BUT SHE HAS NOW A DRIVEWAY WHERE SHE CAN HAVE PARKING, SHE WOULD STILL BE ELIGIBLE TO DO THAT.
RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT THE WAY THE CURRENT CODE READS.
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IS, THIS IS VERY MUCH A ONE OFF OR MAYBE A TWO OR THREE OFF AT THE MOST WHERE, YOU KNOW, DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES THAT SHE COULDN'T HELP CARPENTER ANTS.BUT IF THE FOUNDATION DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO PARK.
CAN YOU PARK WHERE THE FOUNDATION IS? IT'S STILL CONCRETE.
OH, IT'S JUST CONCRETE? MM-HMM
SO, WHICH BROUGHT UP, THAT'S WHY I SAID, AND I WASN'T TRYING TO BE FUNNY.
THAT'S WHY I SAID ABOUT PAPER STREET, BECAUSE I PLAN ON BUYING PROPERTY AND BACK, WHICH IS MY, UM, NEIGHBORS AND THERE'S A PAPER STREET
THAT'S WHY I ASKED SPECIFICALLY.
'CAUSE THE PARKING, UM, COULD TECHNICALLY BE ON THE PAPER STREET.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF IT WAS IN.
SO BE CAREFUL BEFORE YOU BUY A PAPER STREET UNTIL YOU KNOW WHO ACTUALLY OWNS IT.
AND I HAD THAT MEETING BEFORE I WAS ELECTED
AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT.
I DO THINK THOUGH, THE CO CONVERSION OF A GARAGE IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME UP RELATIVELY, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE FRAME OF TALKING ABOUT ADUS OR PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT IT.
UTILIZING A GARAGE FOR THAT PURPOSE IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER THAT'S ENABLED IF YOU HAVE 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
IF YOU HAVE 10,000 SQUARE FEET, THE GARAGE GOES AWAY AND YOU SEEK TO BUILD NEW WOULD HAVE 20,000.
YOU NEED 20,000 AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE REAR OF THE SITE.
AND IF SHE CHOSE TO REBUILD A GARAGE WITH SPACE ABOVE, THAT COULD BE CONVERTED TO AN A DU.
SO HAS TO BE LEGALLY EXISTING.
AND A GARAGE WITH A SPACE ABOVE INVARIABLY IS GONNA BE HIGHER THAN THE MAX ACCESSORY HEIGHT, WHICH IS 12 FEET.
SO THERE WOULD BE A VARIANCE BUILT IN THERE.
UM, AND I THINK THE CODE DOES ALLOW, IF YOU HAD A SECOND STORY ON YOUR GARAGE, YOU WOULD KEEP IT.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN CONVERT IT, BUT YOU CAN'T BUILD ONE.
I DO HAVE MORE, BUT I WANT YOU TO WAIT FOR COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON TO COME BACK.
DO YOU WANNA, WHY DON'T WE WAIT.
SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE MADE SOME, I THINK, POSITIVE CHANGES IN TERMS OF REDUCING THE REC FEE, WHICH MAKES IT MORE EQUITABLE FOR PEOPLE.
UM, AND WE'RE LIMITING THE NUMBER TO 15, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS.
SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS YOU TO PLACE A NUMBER LIMIT.
SHOULDN'T FEEL, UH, OBLIGATED TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER RIGHT NOW.
NO, I HAVE SUGGESTED NO, THAT THAT WILL COME AT THE TIME.
IF THERE COMES A TIME WHEN YOU PROVE THE A D LOCAL LAW
UH, I'VE SUGGESTED THAT 15 SEEMS LIKE A GOOD NUMBER.
SHOULD WE NOT, YOU DON'T JUST TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
'CAUSE REMEMBER THERE'S A SUNSET CLAUSE BUILT IN AND WE CAN ALWAYS CHANGE IT AFTER A YEAR.
I FORGOT, UH, DID WE HAVE A RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF, UH, UM, ADUS ON ONE STREET? NO.
ANY REASON? BECAUSE MY FAILING IS THAT, UM, THE BIG, THE BIG ISSUE FROM PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE ADU IS, UH, PARKING.
SO IF WE BASICALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FIRST YEAR WE'RE GONNA LIMIT IT TO, UM, SAY ONE PER STREET, UH, THE MAXIMUM OF ONE PER STREET, UM, I MEAN, YOU PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE MORE THAN ONE PER STREET, THEN, UH, IT WOULD REDUCE THE CHANCES OF REALLY A NEGATIVE IMPACT.
ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WOULD REDUCE THE POSSIBILITY OF A REALLY NEGATIVE SCENARIO.
I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU A QUALIFIED NO.
UH, WHILE, WHILE, NO, THERE IS NOT A, THERE SHALL NOT BE TWO ADUS WITHIN, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
200 FEET OR 250 FEET, OR ON MORE THAN TWO ON ONE BLOCK.
WHILE THAT DOESN'T EXIST, AND IT WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH OF THE PLANNING BOARD, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY.
AND, UH, THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN THE CRITERIA THAT TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER CONCERN FOR OFF STREET PARKING.
AND I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH IN THERE WHERE IF THERE BEGINS TO BE CLUSTERING OR THE BOARD HAS THE TEETH IN THIS LOCAL LAW TO TAKE THAT IN.
THE, THE ONLY REASON I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SUGGESTION, YOU KNOW, I'M MAKING WOULD MAKE, YOU KNOW, SOME SENSE IS, YOU KNOW, ONE, I BE, MOST
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COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE AUS HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T SEEN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HAVEN'T READ IN THE PAPERS THAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM.BUT I FEEL THAT USUALLY THE COMPLAINTS ARE BEFORE THE LEGISLATION'S APPROVED.
AND IF WE PUT SOMETHING, UH, IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAW, UM, THAT WOULD HAVE A, FOR THE FIRST YEAR.
CAN I GIVE YOU A RESPONSE? YEAH.
I, I'M LEERY OF PUTTING THINGS IN THAT SAY TO A RESIDENT, LET ME, LET ME JUMP IN BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA BE BOXED OUT.
I'M ON THE FENCE ABOUT DOING AN A DU, BUT IF I WAIT, WHO KNOWS.
THERE'S, THERE'S 50 PEOPLE ON THIS BLOCK, SOMEBODY CAN DO AN A, DU, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET APPROVALS.
EVEN IF WE SIT ON THAT APPROVAL JUST SO WE CAN, HOW DO YOU DEFINE, HOW DO YOU DEFINE A BLOCK? RIGHT.
AND SOME BOX ARE A LOT LONGER THAN OTHERS.
ANYTHING THAT SORT OF EVEN LIMIT ON APPLICATIONS, YOU KNOW? THAT'S WHY IF THE NUMBER WAS SET TOO LOW, LIKE FIVE OR SIX, EVEN THOUGH I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE'LL GET THAT.
I DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING THAT COULD INDUCE ANY RACE.
A RACE OF LIKE GETTING IN AN APPLICATION
AND I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD DO THAT.
AND I, I LEGITIMATELY DO HAVE THAT CONCERN.
BUT, BUT GARY, YOU SAID, SO JUST BE CLEAR.
JUST BE CLEAR THAT 15 WON'T, IF YOU, EVEN THOUGH YOU PUT, YOU HAVE AN APPLICATION, YOU RECEIVED AN APPLICATION, IT'S ONLY UNTIL YOU GET THE PERMIT THAT YOU ACCOUNTED AS A 15 THAT YOU ACCOUNTED.
BECAUSE A HUNDRED OF US CAN, OH, SORRY JOE, A HUNDRED OF US CAN GO AND GET APPLICATIONS.
BUT IT'S THOSE WHO PUT THOSE ACCOUNT APPLICATIONS FORWARD AND START THE PROCESS.
THAT'S THE ONES THAT GET COUNTED.
I NEED YOU TO BE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE DIDN'T, NOT THOUGH.
BUT ACTUALLY SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION FORMALLY, WHICH IS FULL-BLOWN APPLICATION WITH THE FEES COMPLETE APPLIC A COMPLETE APPLICATION, COMPLETE APPLICATION, THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERS THE ONE OF THE 15 COMPLETE APPLICATION MEANS, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT STEP.
COMPLETE APPLICATION MEANS FILLING OUT ALL THE, UH, APPLIC RIGHT.
TAKE THE MICROPHONE, FILLING OUT ALL THE APPLICATION FORMS, FILING THE REQUISITE FEES.
AND, UH, GETTING ASSIGNED A CASE NUMBER.
AND THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL STEP.
SO WHEN DO, WHEN DOES A PERSON RECEIVE THE CASE NUMBER AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION? WHEN THEY, YEAH, WHEN THEY FI WHEN THEY FILE, WHEN THEY FILE THE APPLICATION.
BECAUSE THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING, I WANNA KNOW OUTTA A HUNDRED APPLICATIONS, WHERE, WHERE DO I STAND? YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR THAT I MAY I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, I DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OR WHAT MAKES ME EL OR MAKES ME SAY THAT I'M IN THE QUEUE OF THAT 15TH.
WELL, ONCE YOU GET THE BUILDING, GOOD.
THAT IS THAT, SO IS THAT THE NUMBER THAT'S THAT'S THE QUEUE NUMBER OR IS THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT NUMBER? PROBABLY SHOULD BE THE BUILDING PERMIT NUMBER BECAUSE THE, UNTIL YOU DO THE BUILDING PERMIT, IT'S NOT REALLY A COMPLETE APPLICATION.
WELL WE, WE, WE ONLY ASSIGN, UM, APPLICATION OR JOB NUMBERS IF IT'S A COMPLETE APPLICATION.
SO SOME, SO THERE IS JOB APPLICATION THEN.
SO THAT JOB APPLICATION, I COULD BE NUMBER 13.
IT COULD BE VERY INCOMPLETE AND IT WON'T, UM, BE COUNTED.
YEAH, WELL IT SHOWS A SERIOUSNESS.
WANNA MAKE SURE, I WANNA KNOW WHERE I AM BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT OF, I DON'T WANNA BE BOXED AND I WANNA GET IT, BUT WHAT I MAY HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY, I'LL THINK MORE ABOUT THAT.
AND WE JUST MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A COMPLETE APPLICATION.
AND I, AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CODIFIED, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT.
WELL, JUST WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO OUR RESIDENTS THOUGH, WE KNOW THAT EVERYONE'S CLEAR.
I'M JUST ASK EVERYONE TO TURN THEIR PHONES OFF.
MY PHONE IS, IT'S REALLY, I KNOW, DISRUPTIVE.
'CAUSE YEAH, I, BUT I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANNA HOG THE TIME, BUT OTHER PEOPLE WANNA SAY THINGS.
NO, YOU'RE DOING THINGS WELL SO FAR.
THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WE'VE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE.
SO IT'S WHAT I SAID MAYBE I'M GONNA REPEAT MY
WELL, SO WE HAD PERCENTAGES THAT WERE GIVEN TO US, UM, BY GARRETT, BUT I WANTED TO GET THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL PARCELS.
SO IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONES THAT WE'RE TALKING THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE BETWEEN 5,000 AND 10,000 SQUARE FEET, THERE ARE 3,576 PARCELS THAT FALL WITHIN THAT, THAT WE WOULD BE EXCLUDING.
AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS KEEPS, YOU KNOW, MENTIONING THE SUNSET CLAUSE.
BUT HONESTLY, IF WE DON'T GET A SENSE FROM MAKING IT LESS RESTRICTIVE, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN COMING FORWARD? AND IF THEY JUST KNOW, OH, I DON'T HAVE 10,000, I'M NEVER GOING TO EVEN TRY, WE WON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE REAL DESIRE IS WITHIN GREENBERG TO DO THIS.
I KIND OF JUST, I'M SORRY, YOU FINISH.
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SO I THINK YOU'D START WITH LESS RESTRICTIVE AND, AND THEN IF YOU SAY, OH MY GOODNESS, WE'VE GOT A, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A RUSH OF ADUS AND WE CAN'T HANDLE ALL OF THIS, WHATEVER.AND THEN WE, WE SEE HOW A NEIGHBORHOOD OR WHATEVER IS BEING OVERWHELMED BY THIS.
THAT'S THE POINT TO ME OF A SUNSET CLAUSE TO THEN REIN IT BACK AND MAKE IT WHAT IT SHOULD BE THAT WOULD FIT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT OVERWHELM THEM.
I JUST HAVE TWO OTHER FIGURES I WANT TO MENTION.
SO I'VE SUGGESTED AS A COMPROMISE 7,500 AS THE, THE BOTTOM LEVEL.
AND IT'S BEEN SAID BY CERTAIN, UH, PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMENTED THAT THAT WOULD NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE IF WE LOWERED IT TO 7,500 AS FROM 10,000.
THAT THAT WOULD BE INSIGNIFICANT.
IF WE WERE TO LOWER IT TO 7,500, THE NUMBER OF PARCELS BETWEEN 70 510,000 ARE 2,153 PARCELS.
I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD COMPROMISE AND REALLY SHOW THAT WE ARE LISTENING TO EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE COME FORWARD TO SAY PEOPLE HAVE, WHO HAVE REALLY CONCERNS ABOUT BEING DISENFRANCHISED BY THIS LAW.
AND THEN IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ALL FINE AFTER A YEAR, WE EITHER OPEN IT UP TO 5,000, WHICH I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AS THE BOTTOM, OR WE DECIDE, OKAY, NO, IT'S NOT WORKING.
SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT THIS REALLY CAREFULLY.
UM, WE'VE GOTTEN ALMOST NO NEGATIVE COMMENTARY ABOUT, CERTAINLY ABOUT, UH, LOT SIZE, UH, OR REALLY MUCH ABOUT NOT HAVING ADUS AT ALL.
WE'VE REAL, THAT WAS SORT OF IN THE BEGINNING.
AND THEN SINCE THEN, PEOPLE HAVE REALLY BEEN VERY POSITIVE ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE THIS FOR THEIR AFFORDABILITY TO, TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN GREENBURG FOR WITH THEIR FAMILIES, NOT WITH THEIR FAMILIES, WHATEVER IT IS, WHATEVER WORKS FOR THEM.
SO I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THIS.
I THINK IT'S HARDER TO TAKE AWAY THAN TO GIVE SOMETHING.
SO IF YOU HAVE THE LARGER LIVES SIZE AND SAY, OH NO, LET'S, LET'S CHANGE THAT, I THINK THAT'S MORE PROBLEMATIC.
I THINK IF PEOPLE WITHIN THOSE TWO TO 3000 AND CHANGE LOTS, UM, WHO ARE INTERESTED, THEN THEY WILL, THEY, THEY, WITHIN A YEAR, THEY CAN, THEY, THEY KNOW THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING A SUNSET CLAUSE.
SO THAT THERE IS ALWAYS THAT OPPORTUNITY I, FOR US TO RESTRUCTURE.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'LL JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT BECAUSE THIS YEAR THEY DIDN'T GET THAT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT AFTER A YEAR, IF THINGS ARE GOING WELL, WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THEM AGAIN AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT LESS RESTRICTIVE.
ARE WE GOING TO, ARE WE ACTUALLY GONNA DO THAT? IT'S NOT A MATTER OF BEING, WE, WE WILL JUST HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF WHERE WE, WHERE WE STAND IN TERMS OF THE, THE INTEREST AT, AT THE LARGER SIZE AND THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
'CAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT IT PER STREET THAT IS, UH, APPLIED FOR.
UM, THE ONLY OTHER, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I THINK OF TO BE A LITTLE BIT CONTROVERSIAL ON THIS IS MAKING IT TWO YEARS SUNSET SO THAT IT, IT CAN BE EXECUTED.
THAT SOMETHING CAN BE EXECUTED TO HAVE A BETTER SENSE, BUT THAT PUTS THAT POSSIBILITY OFF THAT ONE MORE YEAR.
SO I HESITATE TO DO THAT, BUT THAT IS A THOUGHT.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SAY ANYTHING? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
SO THEN I WOULD SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PROMISE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT AT WHATEVER WE DECIDE THE SUNSET IS GONNA BE, WHAT IF IT'S GONNA BE A YEAR, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE.
WE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA COME BACK TO THIS WITH OPEN MINDS AND SAY, IF THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE HAD TO ADDRESS THAT WE ARE GOING TO REOPEN THIS QUESTION AND NOT JUST SAY, OH, WELL IF IT'S NOT BROKE, LET'S NOT FIX IT.
I WANT TO ASSURE THE PUBLIC THOUGH, THAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA LOOK AT THIS.
BUT I DON'T WANT YOU, I DON'T MEAN WITH THE WAY THAT WAS DELIVERED.
THAT GIVES IT THE PRINT THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE CLOSED MINDS AND WE'RE JUST GONNA SAY, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS NOT, THAT'S NOT HOW WE OPERATE.
I MEAN, WE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION EVERYTHING.
AND WE, WE'VE, THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
SO WHETHER PEOPLE WANNA, UM, SAY OTHERWISE, YEAH, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
WE TAKE, WE TAKE THE RESIDENTS COMMENTS, WE MAKE A PROMISE AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT THIS IN A YEAR.
WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS FROM THE YEAR.
THAT'S A PROMISE THAT WE'VE ALL HAVE GIVEN.
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SO THE PROMISE THAT, AND THE PROMISE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NOT HAVE AN OPEN MIND.THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE SUNSET CLAUSE.
I THINK IF WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND SAY WE'RE JUST GONNA DO OUCH, WE'RE JUST GONNA DO IT HERE AND THAT'S IT, THEN THAT'S IT.
THEN THAT'S BEING CLOSED MINDED.
THE FACT THAT WE WANNA SEE HOW THIS WORKS AND SEE WHERE WE CAN SEE WHERE WE CAN PIVOT, WHERE NEED BE.
UM, BUT GREAT POINTS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION QUITE A FEW TIMES.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN PLACE.
I THINK ALL OF THAT, I DON'T THINK I, YES, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR MOST OF US, THAT WE REALLY WANT TO SEE, UM, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF OPTIONS OF LIVING AVAILABILITY AND MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT THAT AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
AND THIS IS NOT JUST THE ONE AND DONE.
AND I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE NARRATIVE HAS BEEN, THAT WE JUST, THIS IS IT.
THIS IS HOW WE THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, AND I THINK WE'VE GONE TO SO MUCH TROUBLE DISCUSSING THIS AS A WHOLE GROUP AND THINKING ABOUT IT, AND CERTAINLY TAKING THAT IN CONSIDERATION, NOT DISMISSING THE SMALLER SIZE OUT OF HAND, UM, SHOWS THAT WE CARE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WILL WORK BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, WHO ARE, HAVE EXPRESSED THE DESIRE TO HAVE A SMALLER LOT SIZE.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WHEN IT COMES TO ACTUAL EXECUTION ON SOMEONE'S BLOCK, THAT THEY MIGHT NOT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEIGHBORS AROUND IT, THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE CONSIDERATION.
SO WE HAVE TO TAKE BOTH SIDES INTO CONSIDERATION AND THAT'S WHERE CAUTION PREVAILS.
AND, AND TAKING SOMETHING SLOWLY, BUT DEFINITELY GIVING, WE CARE ABOUT THE SMALLER GROUP TOO, OF, OF PEOPLE AND THEIR CONCERNS.
I MEAN, I'M, I SHOULDN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
I CERTAINLY CARE ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE.
I WANNA ASSURE YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S A CONSIDERATION YOU BROUGHT UP AND ASSURE ANYONE ELSE THAT I HAVE AN OPEN MIND.
ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE, WE, IS THERE, IS THAT IT? DO WE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? WE'RE DONE.
A MOTION, UH, FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS BY SECOND, UH, MATTERS.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION SECOND.