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YEAH.I BROUGHT THEM AS A GIVEAWAY AND I HAVE NEED TO GIVE, BE CHATTING.
I'M, NO, I WAS WAITING FOR YOU.
AND THEN I, WHEN I GET, UH OH.
THE RECORD, THE OWLS READY PUT ON THE TABLE.
WANT THIS AT THE CENTER OF THE TABLE? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE.
YOU NEED ANOTHER MICROPHONE? DOES THAT, YOU HAVE TO START THE VIDEO ON THAT MACHINE.
BECAUSE I DIDN'T FINISHED WITH THE CI HEAR YOU.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT FRANCIS ON THE SCREEN.
WE HAVE TO GET STARTED 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A VERY LONG NIGHT.
SO WE STARTED WITH A BUNCH OF SMILES AND LAUGHTERS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, WHAT WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH.
EVERY MAY BE CALLING YOU, RIGHT? YEAH, SURE.
AND THEN IF YOU CLICK OUT A PARTICIPANT.
ARE WE STARTING A RECORDING NOW? YEAH, WE'RE OKAY.
YOU WANT US? WEBINAR IS PERFECT.
UH, WELCOME TO OUR TOWN BOARD, UH, WORK SESSION.
WE AFTER, UH, FIVE 30 AND WE'RE GONNA START WITH, UM, UH, A PRESENTATION RELATING TO THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS TOWN COURT UPDATES, UH, WITH NETTE RILEY, THE ARCHITECT.
UH, WE HIRED A CONSULTANT FOR PROBABLY OVER A DECADE.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UM, NEEDED, UM, IMPROVEMENTS OF PUBLIC, THE POLICE AND THE COURTHOUSE.
AND WE HIRED A CONSULTANT YOU HAVE ATTEMPTING EVERYTHING FOR, FOR, FOR YEARS.
AND NOW WE'LL HEAR THEIR REPORT.
UH, I HAVE WITH ME TODAY AARON MCDONALD, WHO'S OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT.
STEVE SUE, OUR PROJECT MANAGER, DAVID WONG, WHO'S OUR ENGINEER FOR ALL OUR ENGINEERING SPECIALTIES FROM IMED CORPORATION.
AND, UM, AND WE'VE GOT A, UH, TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU A, A, A BRIEF SLIDESHOW, UM, WITH THE PROCESS AND WHERE WE LANDED, AND THEN A FLY THROUGH LITTLE, UM, MOVIE, UH, TO SHOW THE WHOLE SITE.
WE HAVE ON THE TABLE A VERY ROUGH, UH, MASSING MODEL, UH, OF THE SITE THAT SHOW THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
AND, UM, UH, ALSO OUR PROPOSED MASSING AND WHICH WE'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS SLIDE.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO AARON AND HAVE HIM WALK YOU THROUGH IT.
UM, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE MORE COMPONENT TO THIS PRESENTATION, WHICH YOU DON'T NEED TO SEE TODAY, BUT THERE IS AN 80 PAGE, UH, WRITTEN SUPPLEMENT TO THIS, WHICH IS OUR FULL REPORT.
UM, IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY EXCITING.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE A BESTSELLER, BUT THIS IS A REFERENCE TO THINGS LIKE HOW, UH, THE DECISIONS WERE MADE, HOW THE BUDGET WAS ANALYZED, UH, MEANS AND METHODS OF, OF ALL OF THE THINGS IN THE REPORT.
AND IT'S GOT A TABLE OF CONTENT SO YOU CAN GO, IF YOU HAVE, UH, DEEPER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE SEE, YOU CAN REFER TO THIS, UM, AS A REFERENCE WITH MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.
UM, OUR FIRST SLIDE HERE, WE'RE SHOWING A, UH, PROPERTY, UH, DIAGRAM.
IT'S, IT'S NOT THE SAME, UH, THING AS THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE PROPERTY LINE IS A, IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
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GEOMETRY AROUND THIS THING.AND OUR, OUR SCOPE HAS REALLY ALMOST INCLUDED THE ADJACENT POND, RILEY POND AS, AS PART OF THE NECESSARY, UH, WORK AND DISCUSSIONS OF, YOU CAN SEE THE LABEL NURSERY THERE AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, ACQUIRING THE NURSERY PLOT IN ORDER TO, UH, PROVIDE SWING SPACE FOR PARKING, NOT A BUILDING, BUT THAT WOULD BE, UM, EVENTUALLY, UM, A LONG TERM LEASE FOR VISITOR PARKING.
CAN WE ZOOM IN ON THAT AT ALL? I THINK IF I GO TO THE MASTER MACHINE, I CAN GET RID OF, UH, THANK YOU.
UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING FACILITY AND THERE IS A LITTLE BASHED RED LINE AROUND ONE OF, UH, THE, THE PROBLEMS HAPPENING HERE ON THE SITE, WHICH IS THAT THERE'S PARKING ADJACENT UP INTO THE POND IN THE POND.
SO, UM, PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IS, IS A TIMELINE.
HOW THIS COULD UNFOLD OVER TIME IN SEQUENCE, BECAUSE THE VISION HERE IS TO USE THIS CAMPUS AS THE ULTIMATE, UH, SOLUTION.
ALL OF THE COMPONENTS AND BUILDINGS ARE ON THIS SITE, NO OTHER SITES.
WE ANALYZED, UM, UH, EXTENSIVELY THE IDEA OF PLACING POUND LOT IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
UM, AND OUR GROUP CONCLUDED THAT, UH, EACH TIME YOU MOVED A TEMPORARY SWING SPACE TO ANOTHER PROPERTY LIKE AN IMPOUND LOT, YOU'RE INCREASING THE STAFFING AND THE, AND THE, THE BURDENS GET HIGHER AND HIGHER.
SO THIS PLANNING EXERCISE TAKES PLACE ENVISIONING THIS LOT HERE AS A CAMPUS.
HERE WE HAVE THE PROPORTIONAL, UM, DIVISION OF THE FUNCTIONS IN A PROPOSED NEW BUILDING ON THE LEFT.
THESE COLORED SQUARES ARE IN PROPORTION TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT THEY, THEY TAKE UP.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING KEEPING APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE EXISTING, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH IS THE OLDER HALF.
AND THAT HAS CURRENTLY THE ADMINISTRATION, THE CHIEF'S OFFICES, AND THE RECORDS, AS WELL AS THE FIRING RANGE.
SO ALL OF THESE FUNCTIONS WOULD, WOULD REMAIN IN THE OLD BUILDING.
UM, AND THEN THE COURTHOUSE IN THIS PROPOSAL, THE COURTHOUSE THAT REMAINS IN ITS SAME POSITION.
UM, THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE FOR THIS IN THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY, UH, A FOUR TO SIX MONTH PLANNING PHASE.
UM, ONCE THE PLANNING PHASE IS COMPLETE, THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN WITH, UH, FIRST AND WE'LL, WE'LL SHOW THE SEQUENCE, UH, VISUALLY TOO FIRST, A, A PARKING GARAGE OF PRECAST CONCRETE THAT WE ESTIMATE IS A, THAT'S, THESE ARE NUMBERS OF MONTHS, BUT THIS IS OF COURSE A RANGE.
SO THIS COULD BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN SIX TO 10 MONTHS.
10 IS THE LONGEST IN THIS ANALYSIS.
UM, FOLLOWING THAT, WE HAVE, UH, THE NEW BUILDINGS, UM, AND, AND THE RENOVATION OF THE COURT, THE EMS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
NEW BUILDING, THAT'S ABOUT A 12 MONTH PERIOD.
AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE THE REHABILITATION OF THE WHOLE, UH, POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER 12 TO 14 MONTHS.
UM, WE ASSUME THAT THAT TOP BIT, FOUR TO SIX MINUTE PHASE OF SCOPING DESIGN, PERMITTING AND BID HAPPEN.
BID HAPPENED, UH, CONCURRENTLY IN THIS.
SO IT COULD HAVE, THE PARKING GARAGE COULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION WHILE THE NEXT PHASE, UH, OF, OF BUILDING, UH, TAKES PLACE.
SO THIS IS STACKED BACK TO BACK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS TOTAL.
UM, THE FIRST, UH, PART OF, OF THE PROPOSED PLAN WOULD BE TO STABILIZE, UH, THE RETENTION WALL OF THE POND.
UM, THIS COULD BE BUDGETED FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKS, UH, BUDGET INSTEAD OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUDGET, UH, NEEDS TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.
THIS IS ALSO, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, LINED UP WITH OTHER EFFORTS ON THE POND, SUCH AS DREDGING, CLEANING, UH, REPAIRING THE POND.
BUT THIS IS A NECESSARY, UH, FIRST STEP, UM, TO STABILIZE THAT AREA.
'CAUSE WE ENVISION, UM, THAT AREA COULD BE PARKING IN CIRCULATION UP UNTIL THAT EFFECTIVELY, THAT ORANGE ZONE WE'RE SHOWING IN THAT IMAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SEE IT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE SHOWING PAR, UH, CARS PARKED UP UNTIL THE, THE, SO THIS AREA WOULD BE FILLED WITH THE PARKING LOT.
UM, THE NEXT SEQUENCE AFTER THAT
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WOULD BE TO CREATE, UM, ARE WE IN THE NEXT YEAH, YEAH.STAGE TWO, RIGHT? UH, THE NEXT, UM, PHASE WOULD BE TO IMPROVE THE CIRCULATION.
WE ENVISION DOING THAT WHERE THERE IS A HALF COMPLETED ROAD AROUND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE.
UM, AND WE, AND ENVISION ELEVATING THAT ROAD OVER THE, THE GRANITE DEBRIS AND CREATING A PATH THAT COULD CIRCULATE ALL THE WAY AROUND TO ALLOW, UM, CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE ACCESS FROM THE SIDE, THE EASTERN MOST ENTRANCE ON TARRYTOWN, SO THAT THE, UH, WESTERN ENTRANCE, UH, THAT CURRENTLY, UH, OVERLAPS WITH VISITORS, UM, COURT FUNCTIONS, POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND EMS ALL CAN REMAIN IN PLACE AND OPERATIONAL DURING THIS.
SO WE'RE, THE FIRST STEP HERE IS TO CREATE A VIABLE CIRCULATION PATH FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TO OCCUR.
AFTER THIS, UM, THE FIRST STRUCTURE WOULD BE TO ADD WHERE THE IMPOUND LOT IS CURRENTLY TO ADD A, UH, STRUCTURED, PERHAPS TWO STORY PARKING GARAGE.
WE'RE ENVISION WE HAVE ESTIMATED, UH, THIS AS A $5.76 MILLION ENDEAVOR.
THAT'S TWO COVERED LEVELS WITH EXPANSION CAPABILITY, SO THAT IN THE FUTURE, ANOTHER, UH, FOUR OR TWO COULD BE ADDED AS, AS BUDGETING PERMITTED.
UM, THE 5.7, UH, I'M GONNA EXPLAIN FIRST OFF, AND I'M GONNA INTERRUPT THE NARRATIVE HERE TO EXPLAIN HOW WE CAME TO THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE, UH, IN, IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS WE HAD, UM, A PRESENTATION FROM OUR COST ESTIMATE TROPHY POINT.
UM, THEY'RE EXCELLENT PEOPLE, BUT AS COST ESTIMATORS, THEY TAKE A POSITION THAT THESE PRICES ARE ARRANGED AND THAT THEY TAKE THE HIGH END OF THE RANGE.
SO IN, IN THE MEETING, I THINK, UH, GARRETT, MAYBE, MAYBE YOU OR OR RICHARD COMMENTED, HEY, WE JUST COMPLETED A PARKING, A SIMILAR PARKING GARAGE FOR $30 A SQUARE FOOT RATHER THAN 50 WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND I CALLED THE COST ESTIMATE BACK AND TOLD HIM THOSE EXACT WORDS.
YOU KNOW, TOWN IS SAYING, WE CAN DO THIS FOR 30 RATHER THAN 50 NUMBER.
AND THE COST TEST ESTIMATOR SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, ON ONE HAND THAT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR APPETITE FOR RISK ON ONE HAND.
BUT THE SECOND THING IS, WE, AS OUR JOB AND OUR ROLE AS COST, WE ALWAYS TAKE THE HIGH END OF A RANGE.
SO, UM, THAT'S HOW OUR, OUR METHODOLOGY AND WE, WE, UM, HAVE ELIMINATED A 20% CONTINGENCY FROM THESE NUMBERS.
ARE YOU, SO YOU ELIMINATED THE 20% WE DID.
UM, HOWEVER, DOING THE ESTIMATION, ARE YOU ESTIMATING THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE THREE YEARS AND COSTS ARE GOING TO, IS THAT ALREADY WE DID.
THE, THE COST ESTIMATE IN, IN THIS, UH, BINDER IN, IN THE FURTHER DISCUSSION HAS, UH, THE, THE UNEDITED, UH, VERSION FROM CUR POINT, WHICH ALSO, UH, DESCRIBES EXPLICITLY, UH, CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCIES, UH, AND, UH, THINGS LIKE ESCALATION OVER OVER THE YEAR.
UM, I BELIEVE, I DON'T WANNA GET MOVED TO THIS.
LET'S, YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS.
UM, THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING THE PARKING LOT THERE IS THE PARKING LOT COULD THEN BECOME FOR A TEMPORARY TIME, THE CONSTRUCTION OFFICES TRAILERS THE STAGING FOR THE CONSTRUCTIONS OF THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS.
SO IT'S, IT'S FOR THE, FOR THE TIME THAT THE NEWER BUILDINGS ARE BEING BUILT AND, AND REHABILITATED.
THE OLD ONES, THE PARKING GARAGE IS NOT FUNCTIONING AS A PARKING GARAGE.
IT'S FUNCTIONING AS THE OFFICES, THE MATERIAL STAGING FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE REST OF THE SITE.
AGAIN, WITH THE EFFORT TO KEEP THE, THE, THE, THE COURT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS OPERATION, CONTINUOUSLY OPERATIONAL AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE COVERED STRUCTURE FOR THE MATERIAL STAGING DURING THAT TIME.
AFTER THAT, THE NEXT BUILDING IN, IN SEQUENCE WOULD BE A BUILDING ATTACHING TO THE BACK EXIT OF THE OLD POLICE BUILDING.
THERE'D BE A LITTLE LINK BETWEEN THAT YELLOW BUILDING AND THE RED ONE.
WE, THIS IS A NEW WE EMS FACILITY THAT WOULD ALSO BE SHARED, UM, FOR OPERATIONAL REASONS, PROBABLY WITH THE, UH, SWAT, UH, EQUIPMENT.
I'M SORRY, WHERE IS THIS, WHERE IS THIS LOCATED? THE YELLOW, YELLOW? NO, I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COURT LOT IS.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE THE COURT LOT IS, THE COURT PARKING LOT.
FRAME REFERENCES IS ONE 19 HERE.
IT WAS RIGHT OFF THE TERRYTOWN ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THAT, ONE OF THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS LOCATION ON TERRYTOWN ROAD IS THAT EMS HAS ITS OWN SEPARATE ISOLATED, UM, ACCESS ONTO THE ROAD WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED BY ANY OTHER TYPE OF TRAFFIC.
RIGHT NOW, EMS OVERLAPS ALL THE OTHER TYPES.
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SO THERE'S A CIRCULATION PROBLEM THAT IS SOLVED BY THIS GESTURE, PLUS IT HAS AN APPARATUS BASE THAT WILL COVER BOTH AMBULANCES.SO THE, THE, THE CREWS ARE, THE, THE CREW RESTROOM IS UP, UP ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE UP THERE WAITING.
AND THEN THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THEY, THE VEHICLES ARE RUNNING CONTINUOUSLY AND IT HAS A SPECIALIZED EXHAUST SYSTEM TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT WITHIN THE SPACE.
SO THESE ARE IMMENSE IMPROVEMENTS ON WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CONDITION, WHICH IS THEY HAVE TO BE OUT IN THE RAIN AND, AND THE, THE MEDICS HAVE TO BRING THEIR EQUIPMENT THROUGH THE RAIN TO GET TO THE EMS. WE WANT AN ENCLOSED FACILITY AND ENCLOSED MEDICAL STORAGE.
UM, FOR, FOR THIS PIECE, THE, UM, NEXT IN SEQUENCE WOULD BE, NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS BLUE OBJECT, IT HAS A CONNECTION, WE'RE ENVISIONING A SECOND FLOOR CONNECTION TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
THIS IS THE NEW POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S 7,000, UH, SQUARE FEET PER LEVEL.
THE COST ESTIMATION THEN COMES DOWN TO $11 MILLION FOR THIS FACILITY.
UM, THREE, UH, TWO OR THREE LEVELS, DEPENDING ON, UM, HOW, HOW THE, THE ROOMS ARE, ARE DIVIDED.
THIS IS A, UM, EFFECTIVELY CONSTRUCTED, UM, LIKE A GENERIC OFFICE BUILDING.
IT WOULD BE, UH, CONCRETE COLUMNS AND, AND, UH, UH, VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO ALMOST, UH, ANY, ANY, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING DOESN'T HAVE SPECIALIZED AREAS EXCEPT FOR, UM, AN OPTION OF HAVING THE SALLY PORT WITHIN THE BUILDING ON THE NORTH END, WHICH WOULD CREATE A, A, A SECURED, UM, PATH.
THAT WAY THIS BLUE AREA IS CONSIDERED A SECURE BUILDING.
THIS IS NOT A, THIS IS NOT A, A, A BUILDING THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD BE WANDERING INTO.
THEN THE LAST STEP, SPEAKING OF WANDERING INTO THAT, DOES THE PUBLIC OH, GET INTO THIS? WELL, OKAY.
THIS IS THE, THE NEXT PHASE OF THE SEQUENCE IS THAT THE, THE NEWER HALF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS REMOVED.
THE, UM, UH, THE FUNCTIONS ARE THEN PLACED IN THE, THE BLUE BUILDING.
UM, THAT HALF IS REMOVED AND REPLACED THEN BY THE, THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, A NEW ENTRANCE.
THAT'S THE SMALLER BLUE BUILDING.
THE NEW ENTRANCE THEN BECOMES THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF, OF THE ENTIRE FACILITY.
YOU ENTER THAT BUILDING, YOU TURN, YOU TAKE A LEFT TO GO TO THE COURT FACILITY, YOU TAKE A RIGHT TO GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THE, THE ENTRANCE, THE FUNCTIONS, THE CIRCULATION ARE, ARE FAR MORE DIRECT CLEAR.
UM, ANY VISITOR IS GONNA KNOW EXACTLY.
YOU, YOU TURN RIGHT, THERE'S A DESK THERE FOR THE POLICE FUNCTIONS LEFT, THERE'S A DESK THERE, THE COURT FUNCTIONS.
SO WHERE'S THE COURT? THE COURT STAYS THE SAME.
THE COURT IS, WHICH IS WHAT? IT'S THAT RED, UPPER RED ON TOP OF THE FLIP.
SO YOU WALK IN, YOU WALK INTO THE SMALLER BLUE PIECE, AND IT, IT'S A DIRECT CONNECTION INTO THE COURT.
ISN'T A LEFT TO THE POLICE, THE LEFT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? NO.
IN BOTH, IN BOTH CASES, THE POLICE ACTUALLY SPLIT AND WOULD HAVE A HALLWAY ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THAT CONNECTS THEIR, THEIR OWN FACILITIES FOR PUBLIC.
YOU'RE ENTERING, YOU'RE GOING, UM, LEFT TO THE COURT.
SO WILL THEY BE ALSO ABLE TO ENTER FROM THE PARKING LOT? IS THAT CONNECTION? THAT IS THE PARKING LOT FRONT, NOT PARKING LOT, PARKING GARAGE.
ONCE IT BECOMES THE PARKING GARAGE, THE PARKING GARAGE IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR COURT AND LEASES NOT A, NOT FOR THE VISITORS.
THE, THE RATIONALE FOR IT BEING A COVERED STRUCTURED PARKING IS THAT, UM, CURRENTLY A LOT OF THE SPECIALIZED VEHICLES ARE COVERED WITH, UH, POLY VINYL TARPS AND NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT PROTECTED IN A PROPER WAY.
SO THE SPECIALIZED, UM, SIZING OF, OF THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE 14 OR 15 FOOT CLEAR CEILINGS ON THE LOWER LEVEL SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE MORE SPECIALIZED VEHICLES CAN GO IN THERE AND HAVE SOME DEGREE OF SHELTER MM-HMM
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO, WAIT, I'M SORRY.
YOU CAN OVER THE, THE HOLDING CELL.
SO WHERE IS THAT? THEY WERE, THE ONES IN THE COURTS WOULD STAY AS IS.
RIGHT? BUT THEY, AND THEN IN THE POLICE FACILITY, THEY WILL BE PART OF THE PROGRAMMING YEAH.
THE NORTH END OF THE, SO THEY'LL GO TO THE TEMPORARY, THE TEMPORARY BLUE FOX YES.
FOR THE POLICE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT.
WE HAVEN'T DONE INTERNAL LAYOUTS FOR THESE AS THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN OF THE BUILDING.
WE, WE, UH, HAVE DIAGRAMMED IT, BUT YEAH, WHEN I'M DRIVING AROUND IS SOME VACANT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, OFFICE SPACE, LIKE ACROSS THE STREET.
AND I'M WONDERING, UM, SINCE YOU'RE DOING LIKE SMALLER, UH, IN BUILDINGS, IF WOULD MAKE SENSE TO LOOK AT SOME
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OF THE SMALL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE VACANT PARCELS, BASICALLY.I THINK THERE'S NOW, UH, THERE'S ONE JUST RIGHT ACROSS WHERE THE, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT IS.
AND I'M WONDERING IF, UM, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO EXPLORE USING THAT, THAT PARCEL.
MINES THINK ALIKE BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR FIRST SUGGESTION IS THAT WE SPLIT OFF SOME OF THESE FUNCTIONS TO TOWN OWNED LAND THAT'S NEAR ADJACENT IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS.
THERE IS AN AREA WHERE WE PROPOSE USING, UM, LONG TERM RECORD STORAGE IN THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, THE MORE IT GOT EVALUATED, OKAY, SO YOU, IF YOU HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE STAFF THERE, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE RESTROOMS, YOU HAVE, UM, UH, ALL THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THIS, YOU'RE ADDING UP, UM, YOU KNOW, AN EXTRA 20, 25% EXPENSE.
IT CAN'T BE JUST A BUILDING OF RECORDS AND A, AND A AND A AND A LOCK.
SO YOU'RE ADDING STAFF EACH TIME YOU'RE SPLITTING A FUNCTION OFF, YOU'RE ADDING, UM, A STAFF.
IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR SWING SPACE WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON, WHICH IS A CONSIDERATION.
WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE GOOD IS WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY MORE SLIDES, BUT IF WE GO THROUGH AND THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION, OR WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THEM.
BECAUSE WHAT, THE NEXT SLIDE IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE SECURE AND NON-SECURE AREAS.
THERE'S, THERE'S A SORT OF A FENCE OR A GATE, UH, THAT YOU FINISHED.
GATE COULD CONTROL RIGHT THERE.
THE A, A HORIZONTAL IN THAT, IN THAT PLAN, IT'S THE HORIZONTAL BLACK LINE, EVERYTHING.
BUT TO THE NORTH OF THAT, UNDER THE UPPER HALF OF THE, OF THE SLIDE WOULD BE THE SECURE AREA.
THE, UH, THE PARKING THAT'S BELOW THAT IS STILL PUBLIC PARKING.
SO THERE IS THE EXISTING, UH, LOT THAT IS THERE NOW NEAR THE, NEAR THE ENTRANCE TO THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ENVISIONING THE ACQUISITION OF THE NURSERY PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO USE FURTHER PUBLIC, UH, PARKING.
NOW THAT WOULDN'T BE STRUCTURED OR, OR COVERED LIKE THE OTHER PARKING.
THIS IS JUST OUT IN THE OPEN LIKE IT IS NOW.
WELL, THIS IS ANOTHER OPTION, RIGHT? RIGHT.
WHERE IN THIS CASE, THE POLICE WOULD BE BELOW RATHER THAN, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THE COURTHOUSE.
AND THAT, THAT IDEA WOULD BE PERHAPS IF THE, THE, UH, OPERATIONAL FUNCTIONS OF THE POLICE WOULD BE BETTER TOGETHER.
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO EXPLORE THROUGH THE REAL PLANNING AND SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE ROCK AND, UM, UH, TOPOGRAPHY TO DEAL WITH IF WE MOVE IT, UH, TO THE SOUTH.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE NEGATIVE ON THAT.
YEAH, THERE'S SOME GRANITE OUTCROSS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LOT THERE.
SO IF THERE WOULD BE SOME STRUCTURAL HEROICS IN THIS CASE.
UM, THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE SHOWS A BIT OF THE CIRCULATION THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU SEE A BLUE LINE THAT IS THE NEW, UM, CONSTRUCTION CIRCULATION.
AND IT EVENTUALLY COULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE SERVICE, EMERGENCY CIRCULATION.
IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE REDUNDANCY AND REDUNDANT PATHS TO MANEUVER AROUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THE STAFF CAN, CAN COME THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A WAY INTO THE PARKING GARAGE.
INTO THE PARKING GARAGE VERSUS THE, UH, THE PUBLIC WAY THAT THEY WOULD COME.
SO YOU COULD SPLIT THOSE THAT WAY.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO THE BLUE LINE IS COMING OFF OF TERRYTOWN ROAD, AND YOU SAID IT CAN COME BACK, GO BEHIND THE BUILDING TO COME OUT.
AND YOU CAN ALSO, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING THE DOTTED LINE, WHICH IS AN EMERGENCY, UM, EXIT FROM THE SITE PAST THE SCHOOL THAT THE SCHOOL IS.
AND, UM, UH, THAT ALSO GIVES A LINKAGE TO THE SCHOOL IN CASE THERE'S AN INCIDENT OR SOME OTHER KIND OF THING YEAH.
WHERE THE POLICE COULD EASILY COME THERE WITHOUT IT GETTING ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE.
WE DON'T VIEW IT AS A REGULAR
RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THAT THE IMPOUND LOT AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WORKS IS IT JUST KIND OF ENDS AND THERE IS A SMALL, UH, GROUP OF TREES THERE.
AND THEN BEHIND THAT IS A, A BLACK TOP BASKETBALL COURT, AND THEN YOU'RE ONTO THE SCHOOL ROADS.
SO IF THOSE WERE JUST READJUSTED A LITTLE BIT A, A, UH, ACCESSORY LINK BETWEEN THE, THE, THIS CAMPUS AND THE SCHOOL, UM, COULD BE ACHIEVED, SHOULD THE SCHOOL AND AND THE TOWN WANT THAT FIRST THE GATE CONTROL FOR ENTERING OFF OF TARRYTOWN ROAD INTO THE STRUCTURED MARKET, THAT THAT'S, UM, WE WOULD DETERMINE WHERE BEST TO PLACE IT.
BUT IT DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, KEY CARD OR WHATEVER THE METHOD IS.
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SITE FOR THE FIRST TIME, UH, THERE WAS NO PARKING AVAILABLE AND I PARKED IN THE POLICE AREA.A NICE OFFICER, UM, HELPED ME FIND THE ENTRANCE
SO I THINK ORGANIZING THIS, UH, AROUND A VERY CLEAR PATHWAY FOR THE PUBLIC IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT COMPLYING WITH A LOT OF THE SORT OF STANDARD PRACTICES FOR, UM, SEPARATION WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF, OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS.
UM, WELL, THESE ARE DI WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, GET TOO DEEP INTO THIS ONE.
THIS IS JUST A, A SUMMARY OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGES, UM, WHICH, UH, I, I IS WORTH COMMENTING ON.
ONE, ONE POINT, WHICH IS OUR NUMBERS, UM, IN THE TROPHY POINT ANALYSIS FOR WHAT THIS WOULD COST IS DRAMATICALLY LOWER THAN THE 2020 BASIS OF DESIGN REVIEW THAT WAS DONE.
UH, PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS A, A, UM, BASIS OF DESIGN THAT WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE NOT DONE ANY, ANYTHING MIRACULOUS TO LOWER THOSE PRICE.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE HAVE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF COVERED PARKING FROM 340 SPOTS TO 180 SPOTS.
SO THE PARKING IS APPROXIMATELY HALF OF WHAT THE PREVIOUS PARKING WAS, WAS PROPOSED TO BE.
WE HAVE ALSO CHANGED THE COURT BUILDING FROM BEING A RE FROM BEING, UH, THREE NEW COURT BUILDINGS TO BEING A REHABILITATION OF THE EXISTING COURT, COURT, COURT, COURTROOM.
COURTROOM COURT ROOMS, ROOMS, YES.
COURT, WELL COURT ROOMS, BUT, BUT EACH COURTROOM ALSO REQUIRES A JUDGE'S CHAMBER, A JUDGE'S BATHROOM, A JURY ROOM, A JURY BREAK ROOM, A JURY BATHROOM.
LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE COULD, COULD TOGETHER.
THEY'RE A $9 MILLION, UH, A PIECE EFFECTIVELY OP OPERATIONS.
SO WE HAVE TAKEN 27 MILLION OFF OF THE TABLE BY REBUILDING THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE RATHER THAN PROPOSING THREE NAMES.
BUT YOU'LL BE RENOVATING THE INTERIOR, RESTRUCTURING THE INTERIOR TO, FOR SECURITY FOR THE JUDGES, ET A ADA MECHANICAL SYSTEMS WOULD BE NEW.
WOULD IT MAKE, WOULD IT MAKE ANY SENSE JUST LOOKING FOR LIKE A STANDALONE BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW, NEAR THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND THEN, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE COURTHOUSE, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE COURTHOUSE SEPARATE AND THE POLICE WOULD THEN HAVE THE WHOLE THING.
LET'S TOUCH ON THAT AFTERWARDS.
IF YOU JUST HAVE A FEW MORE SLIDES, THAT IS A, THAT'S A VALID FIND, AND WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT.
SO YEAH, THIS IS THIS GO TO, LET'S SKIP, UH, TAKE THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE.
AND I DON'T HOLD ON TO THE, THE REAL ARCHITECTURAL SPECIFIC THINGS.
WE ONLY PUT WINDOWS ON THESE BUILDINGS TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY'RE BUILDINGS.
YOU KNOW HOW, HOW THE ARCHITECT ACTUALLY COMES UP WITH THESE, UH, WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT THIS IS THE MASSING COMPARED TO THIS IS LOOKING ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU SEE THE PARKING GARAGE WITH A BRIDGE FROM THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE INTO THE POLICE BUILDING.
THAT'S THE THREE STORY POLICE BUILDING.
YOU SEE THE ENTRANCE THEN TO THE RIGHT IN, IN GRAY.
THAT'S THE MAIN ENTRANCE AND THE PUBLIC TURNAROUND WHERE THE AMERICAN FLAG IS.
SO A VISITOR WOULD COME UP IN, MAKE THAT LITTLE LOOP THERE IN FRONT OF WHERE THE FLAG IS, BE DROPPED OFF AT THE COURT AND ENTER RIGHT THERE WHERE THE COLUMNS ARE.
AND THEN TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, ON THE EDGE OF THE SLIDE IS THE OLDER PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING.
BUT THAT BRIDGE WOULD ONLY BE USED BY THE POLICE AND THE COURT EMPLOYEES, CORRECT? RIGHT.
IS THE, WHERE THE CARS ARE PARKED BELOW, IS THAT THE NURSERY? YES.
AND THEN THE MIDDLE RANGE OF THE CARS THERE, THAT'S THE EXISTING LOT.
AND WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ARCHITECTURE.
AND WE'VE SHOWN THE EXISTING POLICE BUILDING IN ITS CURRENT, UM, FACADE MATERIAL.
BUT WE WOULD IMAGINE THAT IT WOULD BE RE FACADE, UH, A RECL TO HAVE A, UM, A SIMILAR ARCHITECTURE TO WHATEVER THAT ARCHITECTURE STYLE BECOMES AESTHETIC.
AND, UH, CAN WE SKIP ONE? I THINK WE, THIS IS GOOD.
WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT ORDER THAN, THAN WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
SO, UM, THE NEXT, THE NEXT SLIDE WOULD THEN BE, OH, YEAH, THERE IT IS.
UH, SO THIS IS JUST PANNING TO THE RIGHT OF THE PREVIOUS IMAGE WHERE THE, NOW THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT IS IN THE CENTER OF THE, UH, SLIDE BASICALLY.
AND THEN TO THE FAR RIGHT IS THE EMS BUILDING IN THE BACKGROUND BEHIND THE TREES.
AND, AND ONCE AGAIN, THE RENDERINGS DON'T REALLY SHOW THE TRUE ELEVATION CHANGES FROM THE STREET UP.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS QUITE A, A DRIVE UP.
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THIS WOULD BE THE PROPOSED, UH, EMS FACILITY.THE, AGAIN, THE, THE, UM, SECOND FLOOR, THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES, UH, UH, THE, UH, WAITING ROOM FOR THE EMS CREWS AND STORAGE AND, AND, UH, PERHAPS SWAT EQUIPMENT.
AND THEN THE VEHICLES ARE ALL ON THE LOWER LEVEL.
IN THIS CASE, THE DOORS ARE ALL SHOWN OPEN, BUT, UM, THEY, IT WOULD BE A CLIMATIZED LOWER FLOOR.
AND THEN THIS SHOWS ALSO, THE RIGHT OF THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE NEW, THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION ACCESS PATH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT COULD EITHER BE, UM, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE SALLY PORT UP THERE, OR DEPENDING ON, ON HOW, UM, THE STAFF USES THAT PARKING GARAGE IN THE BACK.
THIS COULD BE, AS STEVE SAID, A PRIMARY ACCESS FOR STAFF TOO.
AND THE IMPOUND, THE IMPOUND STAYS IN THE PARKING GARAGE, RIGHT? YES.
SO IT WAS ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
WOULD THE EMS BUILDING BE LIKE THE, BUT THE BUILDING OF THE PREFAB, IT COULD BE ANYTHING.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST BASICALLY SHOWING A SHAPE IN THE RIGHT SIZE OF WHAT THE PROGRAMMING WAS TELLING IN, IN THE ESTIMATE THAT TROPHY POINT USE IT.
WE, WE WROTE A NARRATIVE, UM, FOR, TO GUIDE TROPHY POINT IN THEIR ANALYSIS, AND WE JUST CALLED IT CONCRETE BLOCK.
DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOW A VIDEO NOW? YEAH.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY FORM-BASED DESIGN, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE JUST MASSING, RIGHT, RIGHT.
YEAH, WE, WE TRIED TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE BUILDINGS, BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT ADVOCATING WHAT THE ACTUAL MATERIAL OR ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO SHARE VIDEO.
YEAH, THEY HAVE A, HERE WE GO.
YOU SEE THE RETAINING WALL, YOU SEE THE FENCE BIFURCATING THE PARKING LOT.
SO JUST SO I CAN GET MY, SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, GOING DOWN A HILL WHERE THE PROPOSED EMS STATION WOULD BE, THAT'S THE CURRENT PARKING LOT OVER.
YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT ACROSS TERRYTOWN ROAD IN THAT SLIDE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, UM, AN OVERVIEW.
THE MODEL AT THE CENTER OF THE TABLE SHOWS IT IN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF ACCRUED, UM, MASSING IT AGAIN.
UM, AND I THINK IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, WHAT'S BUDGET, YOU KNOW, TO DO EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE ASKING, WHAT THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, WHAT WOULD BE CLOSED BUDGET? UH, THE TROPHY POINT, UM, WITH THE CONDENSITY WAS 38 MILLION TOTAL.
UM, SO WE, OUR ADDITIONS ON THIS WAS, UH, 38 MINUS 20%.
YOU MEAN WHAT'S THE MINUS 20%? WE, WE DID THE ANALYSIS WITHOUT THE CONTINGENCY.
SO EACH BUILDING HAS ITS OWN, UM, PRICE TAG FOR THE, THOSE ARE ABOVE THE LINE.
AND THEN YOU ADD THE CONTINGENCY, THE ESCALATION, ALL OF THOSE BELOW THE LINE.
SO WE'RE SAYING, UM, WHEN IT'S IN THIS BOOK, YEAH.
1.8 MILLION FOR THE RENOVATION OF THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE AND THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE SAYING, UM, 11 MILLION FOR THE NEW, UH, POLICE BUILDING, THE THREE STORY ELEMENT, 6 MILLION FOR THE EMS BUILDING THAT WE SHOWED.
UM, AND THEN 5.7 MILLION FOR THE PARKING BUILDING.
NOW THESE NUMBERS ARE DONE THROUGH A NARRATIVE THAT'S IN THAT REPORT OF THINGS LIKE THIS BUILDING IS, IS CONSTRUCTED OFF OF, UH, WITH CONCRETE LOCK.
THE PARKING GARAGE IS PRECAST WITH THE ABILITY TO EXPAND.
SO THE TR THE TROPHY POINT ESTIMATOR IS USING THOSE TO TAKE A SQUARE FOOTAGE, DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT ANALYSIS, AND THEN ADJUST IT, ADJUST IT FOR COST OF LABOR, ADJUST IT FOR A YEAR.
UM, AND, UH, SO WELL EVEN, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PARKING GARAGE, IF YOU ONLY THINK YOU'RE EVER GOING TO JUST HAVE TWO
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STORIES, THEN THE STRUCTURAL, UM, WORK TO MAKE THAT PARKING GARAGE IS LESS THAN IF YOU'RE GONNA FUTURE PLAN FOR A THIRD FLOOR OR FOURTH FLOOR.YOU SAID YOU, YOU REDUCED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, 240, I THINK IT WAS THAT'S CORRECT.
FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH HAD TWICE THAT.
HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO WHAT'S EXISTING NOW? HOW MANY SPACES ARE EXISTING? WELL, THERE'S ZERO COVERED SPACES EXISTING.
WELL, I KNOW THAT, BUT IN TERMS OF THE ENTIRE, IS THAT THE 140 SPACES, THE ENTIRETY BETWEEN THE COVERED AND THE OUTDOOR SPACES, OR YOU'RE SEPARATING NOW? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO CALCULATE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOME OF THAT EMBANKMENT IS PROBLEMATIC.
YOU CAN'T PARK ON ALL OF THEM.
UH, SOME OF THIS IS TAKEN OUT BY THE IMPOUND LOT.
SO IT, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON, ON HOW YOU'RE COUNTING.
BUT IT'S ABOUT 160 IS WHAT'S EXISTING.
AND THE PARKING GARAGE ALONE WOULD BE 140.
THAT'S, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
SO IT'S THE PARKING GARAGE AT 140 SPACES FOR STAFF AND FOR VEHICLES THAT ARE RELATED TO THE PLEA PD AND JUDICIARY.
AND THEN FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE LOTS CORRECT.
OUTSIDE NOW THE NURSERY AS WELL AS THE EXISTING, I WOULD ADD TO YOUR QUESTION THAT, UM, THE 2020 REPORT WAS EXTENSIVE.
HOWEVER, IT, IT CAME IN HIGH AND THAT THAT REPORT WAS WRITTEN IN A A WHAT'S THE IDEAL? WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, IF IF MONEY WERE NO OBJECT, WHAT WOULD WE WIND UP WITH? AND SO IT WOUND UP EXPENSIVE.
RIGHT? SO, UH, 300, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF 340 COVERED PARKING, UM, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THAT COULD BE LOWER TO BE MORE REALISTIC TO WHAT THE TOWN SHOULD BE SPENDING.
HOW DO YOU ENTER, I APOLOGIZE, SOMEONE DIDN'T ASK.
SO IN THE SUMMARY OF WORK, I NOTICED IT DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST, UH, JUST FOR THE COURT PORTION OF IT.
THE COURT IS COMBINED WITH A NUMBER THAT SAYS, UH, COURT AND POLICE HEADQUARTERS REHAB.
IT WAS CONSIDERED ONE PART OF AN ANALYSIS, AND THAT WAS 1.4 MILLION ON HERE.
IT DOESN'T SAY QUARTER, UH, IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE STAGE SIX DEMO PD TIMELINE.
WHAT PAGE IS THAT? THIS, THIS SLIDE HERE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, UH, I THINK THE ORIGINAL REPORT HAD THE COVERED PARKING FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
AND WE FELT THAT THE SEPARATION OF THE FUNCTIONS AND KEEPING THE PUBLIC OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF THE POLICE AND COURT, UH, STAFF WAS IMPORTANT.
UM, AND SO THAT ALLOWED US TO HAVE LESS COVERED PARKING, THE RAMP BETWEEN THE PARKING, UM, FACILITY AND THE ACCESS POINT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND JU JUDICIAL, THE COURTHOUSE THAT APPEARS IN THE RENDERING NOT TO BE COVERED.
AND THE PARKING GARAGE IS OPEN AS WELL.
BUT THE, THE, IT DOESN'T RAMP ITSELF IS COVERED BUT OPEN MM-HMM
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NO, NO, NO.
I'M, I'M ACTUALLY THINKING GOING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION IN TERMS OF MORE SECURITY.
UNLESS YOU FEEL THAT THE GATE GIVES ENOUGH DISTANCE AND PROTECTION FROM PERSONNEL WALKING FROM THE GARAGE INTO THE FACILITIES.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE DETAILS THAT ONE CAN GET INTO IN THE DESIGN.
SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, FIRST I THINK YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY.
WE, IN ONE OF OUR ORIGINAL, UM, MEETINGS, THERE WAS, UM, A, A BIG CONCERN THAT WE FELT WE RECEIVED FROM, UM, UH, THIS GROUP THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE EXCESS COSTS, LIKE TRYING TO TRY AND GET ALL THE FUNCTIONS THAT YOU NEED WITHOUT, WHERE I'M COMING FROM IS, UM, MOSTLY THE JUDICIARY HAVING EXPERIENCE IN WORKING AT THE COUNTY ON TWO COURTHOUSES, YONKERS AND NEW ROCHELLE.
UM, I WAS VERY INVOLVED IN THAT AND SPEAKING TO THE JUDGES AND TOURING, ET CETERA.
AND I KNEW THAT SECURITY WAS A, A BIG CONCERN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.
TO AMPLIFY YOUR POINT, SINCE THE IMPOUND LOT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE ZONE, SOME OF THAT IS EVIDENCE.
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ACTUALLY EVIDENCE STORAGE.SO IF WE ASSUME IT WOULD BE SECURED, ISOLATED, LOCKED YEAH.
UM, THIS IS GONNA BE A CONSTRUCTION ZONE.
SO WOULD WE BASICALLY HAVE TO FIND TEMPORARY, A TEMPORARY LOCATION? WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 38, YOU KNOW, MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THIS WORK, WHAT ARE THE COSTS OF TEMPORARY, UM, YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY SPACE OR, YOU KNOW, WOULD BASICALLY THE POLICE AND THE COURTS STILL OPERATE, UM, IN THEIR CURRENT BUILDINGS WITHOUT HAVING TO BE REMOVED? SWING SPACE.
THE, THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE SWING SPACE GETS INTO, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BUS SHUTTLE THAT BRINGS THE PUBLIC OVER TO, OR BRINGS THE EMPLOYEES? ALL OF THAT IS TO BE WORKED OUT.
AND USUALLY SWING SPACE BUDGETS ARE SEPARATE THAN THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO WE KNOW THERE ARE COSTS, PLUS YOU HAVE THE SOFT COSTS WHERE THE SOFT COSTS AND THE COST REPORT.
SO WE, THE, THE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE SAYING INCLUDE ALL THE CONSULTANTS, 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS MM-HMM
CIVIL, YOU, YOU'RE, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSULTANTS THAT, BUT, BUT I'M JUST SORT OF WONDERING, LIKE WHEN WE SAY $38 MILLION, WHICH SEEMS LIKE AFFORDABLE FOR POLICE AND COURTHOUSE, I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS WHEN YOU ADD THE ADDITIONAL RENTAL SPACE AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE SORT, THE MOVING EXPENSES TEMPORARILY, YOU KNOW, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE $50 MILLION, 60 MILLION? NO, WE CALL THAT A SOFT COST.
AND WE, WE CAN IN THE OR OR WHATEVER ARCHITECT CARRIES THIS OUT, UM, WORK THROUGH, UH, A BUDGET FOR THOSE COSTS.
BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE MASSING AND CON CONCEPTUALIZING AND HAVING FOR THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS, BECAUSE THERE ARE COSTS LIKE FURNITURE AND, AND FINISHES.
I'M SURE THAT'S NOT, AND THAT, THAT'S LOCKERS THING.
WE HAVE A, DON'T WE HAVE A FURNITURE PRICE IN HERE? WE DON'T HAVE AN FQ PRICE.
BUT NO, TO YOUR POINT, THAT THE, THAT SEQUENCE THAT I SHOWED STAGE ONE THROUGH STAGE SEVEN, THE INTENTION OF THAT IS TO MINIMIZE ANY NEED OF SWING SPACES, UH, TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
IT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR THE TOWN TO RENT A DETAINEE SPACE, RIGHT? SO IT'S ASSUMED THAT, AND AS A NEW SALLY PORT, ALL OF THAT IS BUILT AND THEN IT'S JUST SWITCHED FROM ONE TO ANOTHER.
IN, IN SITU IS NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING OUT AND LEASING A, A, A SALLY PORT.
UH, THERE MIGHT BE FUNCTIONS THAT ARE, ARE ABLE TO LEASE.
UH, I'M THINKING OF OF, UH, STORAGE IS A GOOD ONE.
YOU MIGHT FIND SOME ADMIN SPACE, SOME ADMIN SPACE.
YOU MIGHT FIND, UH, MAYBE, UH, THE DA'S OFFICE, UH, IS, IS SEPARATE FOR A WHILE.
UM, THEY DON'T WANT TO BE, I'VE TALKED TO THE DAS.
THEY, UM, ONE OF THE UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT THIS TOWN IS THE DAS ARE IN THE MIX AND THEY REALLY LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUMPING ELBOWS WITH THE POLICE.
AND SO THEY, THEY FEEL THAT, UM, UH, WITH THE DA I SPOKE TO SAID IN CONTRAST TO, I BELIEVE IT'S, UM, WAS IT DO FAIR? THERE'S ANOTHER, UM, UH, COURT JUST TO THE WEST WHERE THAT ACTUALLY IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND IN A RETAIL STRIP, AND IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL THAT, NOT DOS, DOS FERRY THEN.
SO I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE GOT THE POINT FOR COMPARISON.
THEY REALLY APPRECIATE BEING IN THE, IN THE FACILITY, IN THE MIX.
UM, THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO THEM.
THE NICE THING ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS THAT WE COULD PHASE IT IN.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE, I THINK THE REAL, SO WE COULD ACTUALLY GET THINGS DONE BY DOING, TAKING SOME ACTIONS, IMPROVING IT, SAYING INSTEAD OF TAXING, IF WE CAME IN WITH A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BUDGET, PEOPLE ARE GONNA PROBABLY, WE WILL PROBABLY NEED POLICE PROTECTION OR SOMETHING.
BUT IF WE, IF WE DO IT LITTLE BY LITTLE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ADDRESS THE NEEDS AND IT WILL BE MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE.
AND I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY GET SOMETHING DONE.
AND JU THE RETAINING WALL IS, IS IN, HAS TO BE DONE IMMEDIATELY.
AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN YOUR BUDGET, RIGHT? IT CAN BE IN ANALYSIS.
BECAUSE IT HAS, IT'S NOT JUST FOR THIS PURPOSE.
UM, DOESN'T THE RETAINING WALL ALREADY RETAINING WALL IN DESIGN NOW? OH, IT IS.
UM, BUT, UM, FOR INSTANCE, BUILDING THAT PARKING GARAGE WILL TAKE A LOT OF, UM, OF, UM, UM, I JUST FORGOT THE WORD, BUT, UH, UM, STRESS OFF, OH, IS OFF OF THAT, THE REGULAR PARKING THAT YOU EXISTS NOW AND THAT SORT OF CRAZINESS OF SPACE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY EASY FIRST STEP IS TO GET THAT PARKING GARAGE UP AND GO.
THAT'S ASSUMING WE HAVE THE NURSERY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
WELL, UM, I, I THINK, NO, THAT, I DON'T THINK IT, THE NURSERY WAS LIKE A, A NICE OPTION TO HAVE.
WE HAVEN'T PROPOSED ANY STRUCTURED PARKING OR BUILDING
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ON, ON THE NURSERY.IT'S, IT'S MORE ADJUNCT PARKING YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, BUT YOU STILL HAVE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE TOWN.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER NEGOTIATION.
SO THE FIRST STEP OF THE IMPOUND LOT WOULD, IT WAS BASED ON THE IDEA OF THE NURSERY GOING AWAY AND BEING ABLE TO USE THAT.
BUT IF THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE FOR WHATEVER REASON, THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS, IT IS POSSIBLE TO WORK SOMETHING OUT.
BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE A DA ISSUES THAT HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PARKING MM-HMM
ISN'T THAT LESS A PRIORITY THAN A DA AND SOME OF THE STRUCTURAL THINGS THAT THE POLICE HAVE PUT? I'M JUST THROWING OUT.
WELL, PART OF THE, THE REASON THAT WE SELECTED THE, UM, THE WESTERN HALF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, AS, AS, UH, EXPENDABLE WAS THAT IT HAS BY FAR THE MORE, UM, SERIOUS A DA PROBLEMS. IT'S SPLIT LEVEL.
IT'S ON ALL, ALL OF THESE LEVELS.
SO, UH, IT, ACCESSING ONE PART TO ANOTHER IS, IS, IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT WITHOUT ADDING ELEVATORS AND REALLY HEROIC EFFORTS TO SAVE THAT BUILDING.
YOU HAVE A RAMP THERE AND THEN YOU HAVE STAIRS, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME MORE STAIRS.
IT DOES, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
UM, IN TERMS, I'M SORRY, FRANCE HAS BEEN TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING.
I WOULDN'T WANNA SPEND $39 MILLION AND THEN BE IN THE SAME SITUATION WE ARE NOW WHERE YES, THERE'S STRUCTURED PARKING FOR POLICE AND THE JUDICIARY EMPLOYEES, BUT FOR SOMEBODY TO GO AND PAY THEIR PARKING TICKET, THEY HAVE TO PARK ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE ON THE LINE.
WE WERE LOOKING AT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, UM, AS A POSSIBLE SPILLING PARKING, BUT CROSSING TARRYTOWN THEN PRESENTS ITS OWN SET OF PROBLEMS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT HAS IT IS NOW.
BUT ALSO, UM, AND YOU HAVE TWO CARS THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AS OPPOSED TO ONE, SO THAT POTENTIALLY HAS MORE CARS COMING AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT YOU DO HAVE THE AREA RIGHT NOW, UH, WHERE EMS IS PROPOSED THAT WOULD BE ACTIVE, UH, UNTIL THE PARKING GARAGE IS COMPLETE.
AND WE COULD, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SOME STUDIES.
I DON'T, I CAN'T PULL 'EM OUTTA MY HEAD RIGHT NOW, BUT, UH, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO ASSESS HOW MANY CARS ARE REALLY THE EMPLOYEE'S CARS VERSUS THE TEMPORARY VERSUS, VERSUS THE POLICE VERSUS THE COURTS AND SEE HOW HOW MANY CARS REALLY BELONG TO THE PUBLIC BY TRAFFIC DAY.
AND, AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE COME AT ONE TIME? 150? THAT'S ONE COURTROOM.
SO QUESTION IF, BUT THEY DO FOUR CONTACT DOWN, THAT'S HARRY TOWN STREET, WHICH, WHICH IS NOT CHANGE.
SO STRUCTURALLY YOU'RE SETTING UP THE, UM, PARKING FACILITY SO THAT YOU CAN ADD MORE FLOORS IF THE NEED ARISES, POTENTIALLY.
COULD THOSE FLOORS BE SEGREGATED OR ONE OF THE FLOORS FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO USE WITH A SEPARATE ENTRANCE AND SEPARATE PATH TO GET INTO? I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
IT'S REALLY, UM, ON TRAFFIC NIGHT, DO YOU JUST OPEN IT UP AND, AND HAVE EMPLOYEES DIRECT PEOPLE TO THE PARKING GARAGE AS IT IS AND DURING THE DAY ON A REGULAR BASIS, THEY USE THE LOT IN FRONT OF THE GATE.
I THINK THAT THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS FOR HOW TO SOLVE THAT.
BUT THE SECOND FLOOR IS, IS ENVISIONED, NONE OF THIS IS DESIGNED, BUT THE SECOND FLOOR IS ENVISIONED AS A CONVENTIONAL PIPE SPACE.
RATHER THE LOWER FLOOR IS DELIBERATELY DESIGNED TO HOUSE AND PROTECT THE VEHICLES, PERHAPS THE ENTIRE END.
AND HOLD THE EVIDENCE, AS I MENTIONED, THE SECURE, PERHAPS THE LOWER FLOOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS SECURE.
AND THAT A VISITOR, SHOULD YOU EVOLVE THE USE TO ALLOW VISITORS TO THAT SECOND OR THIRD POTENTIAL SPACE? THEY USE A DIFFERENT RAMP FOR? EXACTLY.
A DIFFERENT RAMP THAN, AND CREATING A PATHWAY FOR ACCESS.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, I STILL LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, I STILL THINK THAT IF WE HAD A STANDALONE, UM, YOU KNOW, COURTHOUSE, LIKE IN A, A VACANT, YOU KNOW, LARGER BUILDING, THEN THE, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PARKING ISSUES.
WHICH, YOU KNOW, FRANCIS HAS MENTIONED.
ANOTHER THING IS, UH, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, GOING FORWARD, THE POLICE WOULD HAVE THE WHOLE CAMPUS FOR THEMSELVES AND YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH PARKING.
AND THAT'S AN EXTRA, THAT WILL BE AN EXTRA EXPENSE OVER THE, NO, I'M SAYING OVER THE LONG TERM THE ANNUAL EXPENDITURES.
BUT IF, BUT IF THE, THE PARKING
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FACILITY IN YONKERS, THEY HAVE THE PARKING FOR THE COURTHOUSE IS THEY HAVE SECURE PARKING FOR THE STAFF FOR BRINGING PRISONERS IN.AND THEN ON ANOTHER FLOOR THEY HAVE PARKING FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC SO THAT IT CAN BE DONE.
IT'S JUST THAT IT HAS TO BE PLANNED.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE ALREADY THOUGHT ABOUT.
THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT DIFFERENT CONTINGENCIES, BUT THIS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR US.
NO, I THINK THIS IS DEFINITELY A GOOD, WE, WE WANTED TO TAKE THE POND, PUT A BUILDING ON THE POND, UM, ALSO HAVING THIS AS A TOWN BOARD WILL INFORM YOU ON OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY ARISE OFFSITE, SOME SITE MAY ARISE THAT IS NOT ON YOUR RADAR.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BUILD IN THE LAND VALUE AND THE ACQUISITION COST OF, OF RAW LAND BILL FOR A STANDALONE COURTHOUSE.
AND THEN YOU CAN COMPARE AND CONTRAST THAT WITH THESE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE COSTS YOU HAVE NOW.
SO, UM, EITHER WAY, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T LOOK OFF SITE, BUT AT LEAST YOU NOW HAVE A GUIDE TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THAT'S PRUDENT TO OH NO, I TAKE OVER.
NO OPTIONS ARE OFF THE TABLE, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS, AND I THINK IF WE LEFT THE PROPERTY JUST FOR THE POLICE OR JUST FOR THE COURT, IT'S ACTUALLY MORE PROPERTY THAN IT IS NEEDED BY THE ANALYSIS OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND AND PROJECTIONS OF, OF THE SPACE.
UM, I WOULD THINK, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE MAYBE MORE THAT IS NEEDED BY THE COURT, BUT NOT NECESSARILY THAT MUCH MORE THAT'S NEEDED BY THE POLICE.
WELL, ABSOLUTE THAT COURT BUILDING'S PRETTY BIG RIGHT NOW AND THE POLICE AREN'T USING IT.
SO IT WOULD BE A LOT OF LAND JUST FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I THINK THERE'S ECONOMIES ALSO HAVING THEM TOGETHER AND ALSO THE SECURITY OF THE COURT.
IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA, NOT THE POLICE STATION RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK THE EMS IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT COULD SPIN OFF MORE EASILY.
IS YOUR EMS, UM, ATTACHED TO YOUR FIRE DEPARTMENT OR IS IT SEPARATE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S? SEPARATE? THE MS IS PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
OH, EMS IS PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? NO.
WE DO A LOT OF EMS STATIONS IN NEW YORK AND IT'S PART OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
HAVE YOU THOUGHT OF GIVING THEM THE IN NO.
I ASSUME IT'S DONE, YOU WANT IT ON THE GROUND FLOOR FOR THE VEHICLES BECAUSE SOME OF OUR ARMOR VEHICLES ARE EXTREMELY HEAVY.
YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BUILD THE STRUCTURE FOR THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THOSE.
HOW MUCH
SO HAVE YOU ACTUALLY, UM, LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES WE HAVE, THE DEMAND VEHICLES AND SO FORTH? OH YES.
I MEAN, TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SPACE ON THAT FIRST QUESTION CONNECTED TO THIS IS, UM, THE 2020 BASIS OF DESIGN REPORT.
I MEAN THAT LISTS ALL THE VEHICLES YOU USE.
IT ALSO HAS FUTURE PROJECTIONS THAT, THAT THAT CALCULATED.
AND THIS IS ONE WHERE SET WE ARE, WE ARE SLASHING THAT NUMBER OF CONVENTIONAL PARKING PLACES BECAUSE WE ARE NOT BUILDING STRUCTURED PARKING FOR.
UM, AND THAT WAS A, A DELIBERATE DECISION.
AND THAT'S WHY, UH, WE HAVE COMMENTED AND AND DONE A PRICE ANALYSIS BASED ON AN EXPANDABLE PARKING GARAGE.
IS THAT, WELL YOU MIGHT BUILD THIS AND YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE A VOICE FROM 2020 THAT WANTED 360 CARS PARKED THERE.
LET ME ASK THE CHIEF, IN TERMS OF THE A MS, IS THERE ANY LIKE NEGATIVES IF WE MOVE THE A MS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, QUICKLY TO LIKE ANOTHER LOCATION? I MEAN, DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN THE POLICE? BECAUSE THAT WOULD THEN BRING UP SOME, WITH REGARDS TO MOVING ANY PORTION OF THE DEPARTMENT, IT'S REALLY GONNA BE DEPENDENT UPON WHAT WE HAVE OFF SITE AND WHAT WOULD REALLY FIT INTO THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
BUT REALLY THEY'RE JUST LAYING OUT WHAT THEY THINK IS THE BEST PLAN FOR MAKING THE BEST USE OF THE SPACE WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENT MODIFICATIONS.
SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO WHAT WE WOULD PUT WHERE, BECAUSE THAT WILL ALL DEPEND ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU, IT FITS NICELY ON THE SITE BECAUSE THERE IS THAT BIG DIFFERENCE IN TOPOGRAPHY AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS TAKING, UH, A FEW PARKING SPOTS WHERE, SO FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, IT'S THE RIGHT LOCATION AND THE RIGHT SOLUTION.
I THINK IT'S THE BEST PLAN WE'VE HEARD SO FAR.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP YOUR COSTS.
I MEAN, WE CAN SPEND A LOT MORE MONEY.
HAS THE COST OF THE NURSE BEEN FACTORED IN? NO, THOSE
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FINE.SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOTING IT.
SO, SO WHAT IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO, SO WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND WOULD BE STEP TWO? WE PROBABLY WON'T.
WELL, I THINK, UM, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A GENERAL, UM, AGREEMENT BY, BY EVERYONE THAT THIS IS, UM, A REASONABLE, UM, WAY TO PURSUE THIS.
UH, USUALLY WHEN WE DO A MASTER PLAN, SOMETIMES WE'RE HIRED TO THEN DO THE FIRST PHASE A SCHEMATIC DESIGN CONCEPT, MAKE IT MORE REAL, REALLY WORK OUT THINGS.
IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF ADDING A RAMP, LIKE YOU SAID, AND, AND JUST BUILD THE THIRD STORY? NOW, UH, WHEN WE PUT BUDGETS TOGETHER, WE ALWAYS HAVE BELOW THE LINE ADD ALTERNATES.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD IT BE IF WE ADDED A THIRD OR FOURTH FLOOR? UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, WE COULD MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE REAL.
WE WANNA KNOW FROM YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE NURSERY, THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT ROAD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THROUGH THE SCHOOL.
THOSE ARE THINGS WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IN, IN TERMS OF THE NURSERY, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE CURRENT OWNER DOES WANT TO SELL THAT TO THE TOWN RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN TRY TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM, BUT I WOULDN'T THINK THAT'S A LIKELY OPTION AT THIS POINT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO WORK OUT SOMETHING WITHOUT THE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHY WE INTRODUCED IT BY KIND OF HEDGING THE CONCEPT OF MM-HMM.
ITS POSSIBILITY AND WHY WE WOULDN'T PROPOSE BUILDINGS THERE AS A NECESSARY PART OF THE LINK OF HOW THIS CAMPUS WORKS.
BUT EVEN A FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL, UH, WE'RE WORKING IN A MUNICIPALITY RIGHT NOW WHERE, UM, THEY BOUGHT SEVEN ACRES OF A, UH, A FAMILY'S LAND AND THEN, UM, A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, THE FAMILY OFFERED, UH, THE HUSBAND TRAGICALLY DIED TOO EARLY AND THE FAMILY OFFERED THE OTHER SEVEN ACRES TO THE SITE.
YOU KNOW, SO, UM, THAT CAME THREE YEARS LATER, YOU'RE BUILDING THE, HOPEFULLY YOU'RE BUILDING THE STRUCTURED PARKING SO IT HAS A POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL FLOOR.
I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD COST TO PUT THAT ADDITIONAL FLOOR SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT PARKING.
YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN THREAD THAT BACK TO THAT IN FACTOR THAT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
I ASSUME IT WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE THAN DOING IT LATER AS WELL.
OH, IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE CHEAPER TO DO IT.
SO GO AND I DON'T KNOW, WOULD YOU BE DOING THIS AS A BOND OR HOW YOU RAISE MONEY FOR THIS? UM, PAUL'S POCKET.
I WAS GONNA PUT YOUR SAXOPHONE ON.
HE'S GOT IN THE SAME YEAH, I STUDIED WITH SCAN GETS.
UM, NO, BUT I'M SORT OF WONDERING WOULD IT MAKE ANY, UM, ANY SENSE, UM, TO LIKE SAY IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING THE NEXT STEP TO DO LIKE PHASE ONE OF THE NEXT STEP AND, AND THIS WAY IF WE DO LIKE BY, YOU KNOW, DO, IF WE DO BITE SIZES AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO, OR THE NEXT TWO YEARS WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE GET THAT DONE AND THEN WE THEN, YOU KNOW, A YEAR LATER WE SAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA GO TO, WELL, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
I'M TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE, BUT IN TERMS OF DESIGN, YOU NEED TO DESIGN IT ALL NOW.
UM, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT, THAT'S QUESTION THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION OR THE, THE, THE NEXT, UM, PEOPLE TO RETHINK WHAT'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A PLAN, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT ALL THE PIECES WORK.
BECAUSE IF YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, DO YOU NEED THE BRIDGE CONNECTION? YES.
RIGHT? YOU GOTTA DO IT NOW AND YOU'VE GOTTA DESIGN IT AND YOU HAVE TO CONNECT IT INTO A BUILDING.
SO YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT THAT BUILDING IS AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO HAVE A HOLISTIC VISION.
SO YOU WHOLE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD IT, YOU BUILD IT IN THE PHASES THAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED OR THE DESIGN PROCESS NEEDS TO BE FOR THE WHOLE THING, THEN IT'LL BE A LOT.
THEN YOU CAN STAGE IT ACCORDING, WHICH IS REALLY THEIR TIMELINE ANYWAY OVER THREE YEARS.
AND IT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO ADJUST FOR WHATEVER IS NEEDED, RIGHT? OR YEAH.
THE, THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UNDER NEW YORK STATE LAW, ANYTHING OVER $10 MILLION HAS TO GO TO A REFERENDUM.
FIVE YEARS, FIVE YEARS MATURITY OF THE BOND.
SO, UM, SO THE, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUBLICIZE, YOU KNOW, THIS PLAN AND MAYBE EVEN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING OUT AN IDEA.
EVERYBODY, MOST PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY KNOW WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND WE'VE TRIED DOING SOMETHING FOR 20 YEARS AND NOTHING'S WORKED.
SO WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE LIKE A PLAN, SAY IT IS A THREE OR FOUR YEAR PLAN AND THEN SAY THIS IS THE CHEAPEST OPTION AND WE'RE NOT GONNA TAX EVERYBODY ALL AT ONCE AND MAYBE SAY TO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE TRANSPARENT, WE WANNA
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GIVE YOU A CHANCE AND MAYBE PUT IT ON, ON FOR, PUT IT ON FOR A REFERENDUM.BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S AFFORDABLE AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS THE MOST AFFORDABLE, I HAVE A FEELING THAT THE PUBLIC WOULD PROBABLY BE SUPPORTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE IF THEY FEEL THAT WE'RE NOTHING BEING TRANSPARENT AND, YOU KNOW, AND THIS WAY WE WOULD HAVE THE, I WOULD SAY THAT SUPPORT OF THE PUBLIC SAY FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, THAT MOST MUNICIPALITIES WANT THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODLE TO GO OUT ONE TIME SO THAT THEY'RE SO THAT THAT EVERYONE TAKES A BIG GULP.
NO, I'M SAYING DON'T WORK, DO ONE LINE THING, BUT TELL PEOPLE THAT WE'RE GONNA PHASE IT, PHASE IT IN TERMS OF RE WE WOULD LAY OUT, WE WOULD LAY, WE WOULD LAY OUT THE PROCESS.
SO, SO THEY, ONE WOULD UNDERSTAND COST PROCESS.
UM, AND THE PHASING REALLY IS ABOUT KEEPING, UH, THE POLICE AND COURTS FUNCTIONAL.
AND ANYONE WHO'S GOTTEN A TICKET, TRAFFIC TICKET IS DEFINITELY GONNA BE SYMPATHETIC.
IT'S ALSO, UH, WORTH SAYING THAT KEEPING A VISION, THE OVERALL VISION AND THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN IN MIND, HOWEVER IT'S CARVED UP, IS CRITICAL.
AND A LOT OF I TO CRITICIZE THE CURRENT SETUP, BUT A LOT OF THE FLAWS AND PROBLEMS OF THE CURRENT BUILDING ARE CAUSED BY THE AD HOC ADDITIONS, BIT BY BIT, BY BIT, BY BIT INCREMENTAL WITHOUT THAT VISION, WITHOUT THAT KIND OF UNDERSTANDING OF HOW ALL THE PIECES WORK.
SO YOU'VE GOT TRAILERS UP ATTACHED TO THE COURT BUILDING AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR IS A GUBERNATORIAL ELECTION YEAR.
SO LET'S SAY WE AS A BOARD, WE SAY IN THE NEXT YEAR WE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, REFINE IT.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE DRAWINGS AND THEN WE SAY WE'RE GONNA PUT IT UP FOR A REFERENDUM IN NOVEMBER OF 2026 WHEN THERE'S GONNA BE A LARGER, YOU KNOW, TURNOUT.
AND THEN WE SPEND A YEAR JUST EXPLAINING TO THE PUBLIC WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
UM, AND NOBODY COULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SECRETIVE, THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, BEING UPFRONT.
AND I FEEL LIKE A YEAR CAN'T, I THINK PEOPLE WILL, WE'VE TRIED SO MANY THINGS, YOU KNOW, FOR SO MANY YEARS THAT I THINK
WE'VE ASSISTED MUNICIPALITIES IN, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, IN PERSON IT THROUGH SURVEYS AND THROUGH MULTIPLE ZOOM CALLS.
UM, AND EVEN THEN PEOPLE WILL SAY, WHOA, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AFTER WE DID A VERY EXTENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS ON ONE PROJECT, PEOPLE ARE LIKE, OH, WE DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPERS.
IT, AND THE TOWN SAID IT WAS THE LARGEST, UM, RESPONSE THEY EVER RECEIVED, UM, TO A SURVEY.
AND THEY HAVE A VERY CONTENTIOUS AIRPORT THAT HALF THE TOWN ONCE CLOSED.
AND THAT DIDN'T GET AS MANY TEACHERS SEE.
UH, THAT DID NOT GET NEARLY AS MANY PEOPLE ANSWERING THE SURVEY AS THE, YOU KNOW, SO WE TRIED TO TARGET, WE CAN HELP YOU DO THAT.
WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES, UM, AS WELL IN THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY WANTS TO BE SURPRISED.
EVERYONE WANTS TO BE, UM, FEELING THEY'RE A PART OF THE PROCESS.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO SHOW NOT JUST THE PRETTY PICTURES.
WE HAVE TO SHOW WHY IT'S NEEDED BY SHOWING THE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK AND HOW PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO, TO PAY THEIR, UH, TICKETS, CHECK OF TRAFFIC TICKET OR SHOULD SOMETHING BE ARRESTED.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO DIGNITY IN HOW THAT'S HANDLED RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S ALSO UNSAFE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO WALK DOWN THE STAIRS.
I, I THINK IT'S, WE HAVE TO SELL IT OR SELL IT, NOT ONLY ON THE PRETTY PICTURE, BUT ALSO WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
FIRST YOU HAVE TO SELL IT TO YOUR EMPLOYEES.
IT'S SOLD
CAN I ASK A QUESTION FROM THE TIME THE BOARD MAKES A DECISION WITH AN ARCHITECTURAL FIRM MM-HMM
THE DESIGN, ALL THE BACK AND FORTH, UH, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION IS THAT TIME PERIOD AND HOW MUCH IS THE COST ANTICIPATED FOR THAT? SO A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, WHICH YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO BEFORE THE DESIGN GETS TOO HARD, FAST.
COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM SIX WEEKS TO SIX MONTHS.
IT, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT TIMELINE IS NOT THERE FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL POINT OF VIEW.
UM, WE REALLY THINK IT'S SIX MONTHS, UM, OF DESIGN.
IT, UH, A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT HOLDS US UP IS, UM, GETTING INFORMATION BACK
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FROM THE CLIENT.UM, IT'S NOT UNHEARD OF FOR IT TO BE A YEAR.
WE'VE DONE IT CERTAINLY FASTER.
UM, HOW FAST WAS PENN STATION? IT WAS VERY FAST, BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO THE CLIENT AND THE URGENCY OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND THEN ALSO YOUR OWN INTERNAL PROCESS.
I MEAN, EVERY, EVERY PLACE HAS THEIR OWN WAY OF OPERATING AND THEY, IT TAKES ITS OWN KIND OF LOGIC IN AND OF ITSELF HOW IT WORKS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOW DO YOU, HOW WOULD YOU MANAGE THE PROCESS TO GET EVERYBODY ON BOARD SO THAT EVERYONE FEELS COMFORTABLE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING THIS MONEY WISELY.
AND THIS ALL MAKES SENSE AND WE CAN ALL SUPPORT THIS.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR, TO HELP GIVE YOU THE TOOLS SO THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
AND, AND WE WE'RE HERE TO KIND OF HELP MAKE THE ARGUMENT FOR YOU, BUT AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SELL YOUR OWN CONSTITUENTS.
THIS IS THE BEST IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.
BUT IF WE WANT TO DO A REFERENDUM, SAY NEXT YEAR, UH, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING FINALIZED BY SAY, THE END OF JULY.
UM, YOU KNOW, SAD, LIKE A REALISTIC, YOU KNOW, TIME PERIOD.
UM, I, WELL, I JUST IN TERMS OF REFERENDUM, WE HAVE TO, THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST IS USUALLY THE DEADLINE TO GET THE, UM, PAPERWORK, TO GET THE INFORMATION ON, ON THE BALLOT.
YOU GO BEYOND THAT, THEN YOU, WE LOVE DEADLINES 'CAUSE IT KEEPS CLIENTS MOTIVATED AND IT KEEPS US, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY BETTER FOR US.
THERE ARE A FEW PRICING, BUT IS, UH, THAT'S NOT IN HERE.
IN ADDITION TO THE ARCHITECTURE, THERE'S GONNA BE A WHOLE SIGNAGE PROGRAM HERE.
UH, WE ACTUALLY PROVIDE BOTH THOSE SERVICES.
WE ACTUALLY JUST COMPLETED SIX STORY, UH, PARKING GARAGE SIGNAGE PROGRAM FOR THE BOROUGH BASED JAIL PROGRAM THAT'S HAPPENING.
UM, AND WE'VE CERTAINLY DONE ALL OF THE, UH, WE'VE DONE FURNITURE, UH, STARTING WITH THE BRONX HALL OF JUSTICE COURTHOUSE BACK, UH, THE JOB STARTED IN 1998 AND IT OPENED IN, OR 1993 AND IT OPENED IN 2008.
IT WAS A VERY LONG PROCESS, AND THE COURT'S ADMINISTRATOR SAID, OH, THIS WAS DONE QUICKER THAN STANDARD.
FURNITURE WAS OUT OF DATE WHEN THEY OPENED IT, HUH? YEAH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DID THE FURNITURE ON THAT AS, AS WELL AS, UM, THE PLANNING AND ARCHITECTURE.
SO WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU IN WHATEVER WAY YOU WANT.
UM, WE'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO DO THE PROJECT.
UM, AND I, I BELIEVE OUR PROPOSAL GIVES YOU THE FULL PRICING.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSULTANTS INVOLVED, RIGHT? FROM, UM, MECHANICAL, AL AL, STRUCTURAL, PLUMBING, STRUCTURAL, CIVIL, GEOTECHNICAL, ACOUSTICS, ENVIRONMENTAL.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT, UH, ANY ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS IN TERMS OF ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN THAT YOU MIGHT WANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, THIS IS REALLY FOR THE MASTER PLAN IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
AND SO ONCE YOU DECIDE, SO ONCE YOU DECIDE YOU'RE REALLY GONNA GO AND DO THIS, THEN WE PROBABLY NEED TO RATCHET THIS UP LIKE ANOTHER LEVEL, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED A LOT MORE INPUT ON CIVIL, A LOT MORE INPUT ON ALL THE OTHER DISCIPLINES.
WE HAVEN'T LET DAVID TALK TODAY ARE WE GOT LIKE, ON, ON LIKE SAYING TO MYSELF LIKE, 38 MILLION.
I KNOW WE COULD SELL 45 MILLION.
I, I'M PRETTY SURE WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, SELL, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, ONCE IT GETS, YOU KNOW, HOT MUCH HIGHER, THEN IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, MUCH, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
SO ANOTHER THOUGHT THAT I HAD IS, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BASICALLY COME UP WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, WITH.
AND IF IT TURNS OUT THAT WE'RE GOING OVER, YOU KNOW, OVER BUDGET AND IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE TRUMP IS ADDING TARIFFS OR WHATEVER, UH, THEN, THEN I BASICALLY FEEL THAT MAYBE WE HOLD BACK ON, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SEVEN UP, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD DELAY IT A LITTLE BIT, UH, SO AT LEAST WE COULD GET SOMETHING DONE.
I THINK THAT IF WE COULD ACTUALLY SHOW PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WE'RE NOT REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT IT, WE'RE ACTUALLY COMMITTED TO DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.
AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE'S A REFERENDUM NEXT YEAR, THEN, THEN AT THE, THEN BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR, WE WILL BE ON OUR WAY TO ACTUALLY GETTING SOMETHING DONE RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW.
IT'S, IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT WE WEREN'T GIVEN A NUMBER, A COST AND SAID WORK TOWARD THIS.
WE WERE GIVEN A NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
THE COST PART OF IT CAME IN, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE HAD MADE A LOT OF IMPORTANT DECISIONS ON WHAT COULD BE CUT OUT.
BUT YEAH, WE, WE GENERALLY WORK, WE WE'RE
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SORT OF ARE DOING AN APARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE COUPLE HAS A BUDGET AND YOU, AND THEY SAY, HERE, DESIGN TO THIS.AND THEN YOU, YOU WORK TOWARD, THAT'S A VERY CONVENTIONAL WAY.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID 39, DID YOU SAY 39 MILLION? WHAT'S YOUR REST FOR US, IT'S 38.
WE, WE I THOUGHT YOU TOOK A MILLION
DOES THAT INCLUDE THE SPECIALTY? IT INCLUDES THE CONSULTANTS.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ACTUAL FURNITURE.
LIKE WE JUST FINISHED, UH, UH, 22,000 SQUARE FEET OF FURNITURE AND IT WAS ABOUT 500,000.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S, WE COULD PUT A NUMBER TO THAT IN THE LOW END.
RIGHT? SO WHAT IS IT? FURNITURE RUNNING SQUARE FOOT? UM, WELL, THIS SPACE, IT'S HARD.
WELL, THE RANGE, BECAUSE THIS IS SPECIALTY, NOT JUST OFFICE.
SO IT'S HARD TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SPECIAL LOCKERS, SPECIAL GUN, SAFE, SPECIAL, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
RIGHT? SO IT INCLUDES LIKE A BALLISTIC ROOM.
BECAUSE THE, THE FIRING RANGE IS ALREADY THERE.
WE'RE PROPOSING KEEPING THE EXISTING FIRING RANGE.
FOR, BUT RATHER THAN RELOAD, BUT HOW THEY HANDLE THE GUNS NOW, IT'S NOT, NOT NECESSARILY GOOD PRACTICE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE C AND WELL, WE'RE GONNA MEET THE STANDARDS, THE SORT OF COMMON ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS.
THE, THE, THE OVERALL SYSTEMS ARE ALL, ALL INTENDED TO BE REPLACED.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE SYSTEM.
SO ALL THOSE BUILDING SYSTEMS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD GO TO A NEW KIND OF SYSTEM WHERE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DISPENSE WITH WHAT'S THERE NOW.
SO THAT WILL, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS IS GONNA BE A COMPREHENSIVE KIND OF, UH, RENOVATION BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S BOTH SYSTEMS. IT'S ALSO A DA, IT'S A NUMBER OF THINGS.
SO ALL THAT HAS TO BE FACTORED TOGETHER IN ORDER FOR THIS TO ACTUALLY WORK.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF SITE, UM, COSTS.
EXAMPLE WOULD BE, UM, ADDING A SECOND SOURCE OF POWER.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO REDUNDANCY TO THE, UM, UTILITY, WHICH YOU KIND OF WANT REDUNDANCY TO THE, THE NINE 11 OPERATION.
WHAT PHASE IS, IS THAT IT? OR THEY'RE JUST STAYING THERE? YEAH, WELL WE'VE BEEN, THEY ARE IN THE, IN THE NEWER WING.
BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A SWITCH.
WHAT HAPPENS? HOW DO YOU MOVE 9 1 1? UH, YOU DO IT BY, UM, RECREATING THE EXACT SAME SCENARIO IN THE NEXT ROOM.
EVEN HAVE THE COPY BUGS IN PLACE AND THE COPY MAKER IN PLACE AND THEY SWITCH OVER AND NOT IN THE SAME ROOM.
LIKE THEY SWITCH OVER TO THE NEW LOCATION, MIRRORING THEIR CURRENT, I THINK THE CURRENT INTENT WAS TO LEAVE THE COMMUNICATION CENTER WHERE IT IS IN THE, THE OLD BUILDING, WHICH IS STRUCTURALLY INTACT FOR EARTHQUAKES AND STUFF.
BUT THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER, UH, WOULD BE IN THE NEW BUILDING.
AND ARE YOU ON GENERATORS NOW? YEAH.
SO WOULD THERE BE AN EFFORT TO BRING IN A SECOND SOURCE OF ELECTRICITY SO WE DON'T HAVE A BLACKOUT? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED.
WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY, THE IDEA OF REDUNDANCY IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PLAN.
AND IT'S ANOTHER REASON, FOR EXAMPLE, WHY WE'RE PROPOSING THAT CONNECTION TO THE SCHOOL.
WHAT HAPPENS IF A TREE FALLS OVER THAT ONE LOT RIGHT NOW, IF ONE OF THOSE OAKS THAT ARE ALONG TERRYTOWN FELL ACROSS THE ENTRANCE RIGHT NOW AND HAVE A HEADACHE FOR A FEW DAYS.
I MEAN, I HOPE THIS MEETS WITH YOUR EXPECTATIONS, BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT AND THE POSSIBILITY.
AND I HAVE TO SAY, WHEN WE FIRST, UM, LOOKED AT THIS, WE REALLY WERE THINKING IT HAD TO BE OFF SIGHTED.
UM, SO THE FACT THAT, UM, MY TEAM CAN CLEVERLY INSERT ALL THESE THINGS AND, AND MEET THE NEEDS.
FOLLOWING UP TO FRANCIS' CONCERNS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, IF WE GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PLAN, WHAT'S SORT OF LIKE THE ANTICIPATED LIFE OF, UM, OF THE, THE WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING AND GLEN WILL BE SORT BE, UH, BEHIND AGAIN.
AND BECAUSE I'M SAYING IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE FITTING IN A LOT OF, UH, IN A SMALL SPACE, AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW LONG IS IT ANTIQUATED BEFORE WE EVEN START? OH NO, WE, WE'VE PUT IN UNLESS, I MEAN, WHAT'S YOUR GROWTH PLAN FOR BEING PART OF THE, UM, 2020, UH, BASIS OF DESIGN REVIEW? ANSWERED THIS QUESTION EXACTLY AND, AND TALKED ABOUT GROWTH AND TRACK THE GROWTH,
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UH, TRACK BOTH FOR THIS AREA, BUT ALSO TYPICAL HOW A TYPICAL NATIONWIDE, UH, POLICE STATION IS PER SQUARE, SQUARE FEET PER, UM, OFFICER, THINGS LIKE THAT.THERE, THERE ARE SOME METRICS THAT, UH, YOU CAN USE TO GUESS THIS.
I MEAN THE, THE, I THINK WE WERE RUNNING, WE ARE, WE ARE.
JUST, JUST TO GO NOW, I'M CURIOUS 'CAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE WE WERE LEAVING SO MUCH IN THE EXISTING POLICE STATION.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT AND ADDRESS THE FLOORS WHERE YOU WALK IN, YOU HAVE TO GO UP WITH THE THREE STEPS TO GO ACROSS AND THEN YOU GO DOWN? WELL, THAT'S THE PART WE WANNA TEAR OUT.
THE UM, THE NEW NEWER PART OF THE POLICE PRECINCT, THAT WHOLE FRONT IS PIECE WHICH, UM, THAT GOES AWAY.
YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY THE EXTERIOR WALL.
IT'S THOSE TWO LITTLE WINDOWS.
YOU SEE THOSE ARE THE 9 1 1 CENTER, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THAT, THAT PART OF THE BUILDING IS A TRUE TWO LEVEL.
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S GONNA BE TORN OFF HAS ALL THOSE LITTLE THREE STEPS HERE.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION, YOU CAPTAIN, UM, WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, ARE THERE LIKE ANY NATIONAL STUDIES INDICATING WHAT'S A, A POLICE FORCE 10 YEARS OR 20 YEARS FROM NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL, YOU KNOW, PERSONNEL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DO, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THINGS ARE GONNA BE CHANGING FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF PERSONNEL? WE'RE STILL EARLY.
UH, ROBOCOP, WE, UM, WE, WE TRY TO STAY ABREAST OF, OF WHERE THE TRENDS ARE AND, AND YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T THINK CRIME'S GONNA GO SIGNIFICANTLY DOWN.
I DON'T THINK PARKING TICKETS OR TRAFFIC TICKETS ARE GONNA GO DOWN.
SO, BUT THE PERSONNEL COULD, ISSUES COULD CHANGE POSSIBLY.
I MEAN, IDEALLY THIS PLACE IS GONNA BE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH THAT IT CAN CHANGE WITH WHATEVER THE PROGRAM WOULD BE.
SO THAT WOULD BE ALSO A GOAL TO BASICALLY MAKE IT NOT SO SPECIFIC THAT AT LEAST SOMETHING WHERE IT CAN HAVE ROOM TO GROW OR ROOM TO KIND OF CHANGE TO WHAT'S NEEDED.
I A FEELING WHEN YOU LEAVE IT'S GONNA CLEAR OUT THE ROOM.
WELL, POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COURTS.
I THANK YOU SO MUCH GENTLEMEN.
GREAT PRESENTATION AND EXCUSE DON'T THINK MODEL WAS CRUDE.
MS. ELLEN CALLED MY MOST CRUDE.
I USUALLY HAVE A BIG, NOT BIG.
AND WHAT IS YOUR I'M NOT SURE AGENDA.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING THE END OF THE INSTRUCTION THAT IF I SAY THE CONSTRUCTION ON DO ROAD CONSTRUCTIONS IS SHAKING THE HECK OUT OF A FOUNDATIONARY HOUSE.
GINA OUT THERE CHATTING TO OUR CONTRACTOR, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE SOME THE, THAT SHOWS THE, SO I'M GOING TOMORROW ON SITE, VISIT THE HOUSE WITH THE CONTRACTOR.
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9:30 AM ONE THING THAT'S GOOD IS I FULLY UNDERSTAND SCENARIO.I REALLY JUST NEED TO GET A PRICE FROM THE CONTRACTOR.
SO, AND YOU SO I HAVE NO CLUE.
THIS STUFF PROBABLY GAVE US YES, WE ARE ALIVE.
REMEMBER EVERYONE, MR. MARGARET? I KNOW ABOUT MY WELL THAT'S WHY HE'S MEETING.
OH NO, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT I CONCERN.
OH, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY DO HAVE ONE MORE? WE HAVE ONE MORE DISCUSSION WE HAVE.
SO, BUT WE GET PULL THE, PLUG THE OUT.
IS HE GONNA PULL JUST THE POWER
YEAH, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT THE PRESENTATION AS OVERVIEW OF STANDING HUGH, CAN YOU WAIT ONE SECOND PLEASE.
SORRY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE AUDIENCE CAN HEAR YOU.
THIS IS WHAT THEY, YOU OKAY? RIGHT, BUT THIS SIDE AND THIS IS WHAT THE, WHERE THE THUMB ARE.
AND THIS IS WHERE DO IT OUT LOUD.
WE, WE, WE REALLY DO NEED TO CONTINUE WITH I OKAY.
MISS, I HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO GET BACK TO THE, TO THE, TO THE THING.
IF YOU LEAVE THAT WITH ME, I'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
SARAH'S ATION, NOTHING IS HAPPENING.
AND THAT'S MY THANK YOU MR. THANK YOU.
WE'RE WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA GET FINED.
I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU IN A SECOND.
I JUST REMIND EVERYBODY VETERAN'S DAY'S NOVEMBER 11TH.
YOU WELCOME TWO O'CLOCK AT THE SAFETY CLASSES.
UM, I THINK THAT THE OVERALL PLAN THAT WE JUST SAW WAS VERY GOOD.
I THINK LOOKING DOWN ON THE PROPERTY, IT SHOWS A, A VERY, UH, GOOD WAY TO MANAGE THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
MOVING IT, THE COURTHOUSE OFF PROPERTY, UM, MAYBE SHORT TERM CONSTRUCTION, SOME SAVINGS, BUT IT'S NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE.
SO BY THE TIME YOU ADD INTO SECURITY, BY THE TIME YOU ADD INTO THE LOBBY, BY THE TIME YOU ADD INTO THE CELLS AND YOU ADD IN SECURITY FOR THE JUDGES AND ALL OF THAT, NOW YOU'VE, YOU'VE JUST SPENT AND IT'S GONNA COST YOU FORTUNE.
SO I THINK KEEPING EVERYTHING CONSOLIDATED ON ONE SITE IS GREAT.
AND I THINK MOVING FORWARD, IT'S THE BEST USE OF THE PROPERTY YOU HAVE RIGHT HERE.
AND I WAS, I WALKED THE PROPERTY THE OTHER DAY, I WAS THERE FOR ANOTHER REASON AND I WALKED THE RETAINING WALL AND IT, IT, I'M WITH YOU.
BECAUSE ONCE THAT WALL COLLAPSES, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A NIGHTMARE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE WITH THE BUILDING.
ONE, UM, THE AADA A ISSUE SOONER RELATED THE AADA A ISSUE'S GONNA FORCE THE TOWN TO DO IT SOMETHING QUICKLY THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE CONTROL OF THE TOWN.
AND SO BY PLANNING THINGS ON NEW STRUCTURE AND, AND MOVING FORWARD, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN.
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YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS AND LIKE SEVERAL OF YOU MENTIONED, UM, LET'S GET TO SOME SOLID NUMBERS WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF ADDED IN AND I THINK IT'D BE GREAT.AND, UH, BUT HAVE WALKED THE PROPERTY AND LOOKING WHAT THEY WANTED TOWARD DOWN.
THE OTHER THING I WAS PLEASED WITH IS THE POSITION OF THE EMS DOES NOT, THEY DON'T ATTEMPT AS PREVIOUS PLANS HAVE, HAVE TRIED TO REMOVE THE GRANITE.
THEY DON'T TRY TO REMOVE THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA USE THE EXISTING BECAUSE REMOVAL OF THE GRANITE TO NON, IT'S A NON-STARTER.
YOU CAN'T BLAST IT BECAUSE OF THE, THE PROXIMITY OF THE RAMP.
AND SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE DETAILED NUMBERS, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN.
AND I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOUR COMMUNICATION PLAN, ONCE YOU GET THE ENOUGH INFORMATION, SOLID INFORMATION DISCUSSED WITH THE PUBLIC, I THINK PUBLIC WILL LIKE IT, SHOW THEM WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR THE MANY PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC TO GO IN THE BUILDING AND SEE WHAT IT'S REALLY LIKE.
AND IS THE PARENT OF A, A PERSON WITH DISABILITIES, UH, AND A SENIOR NOW IF THE ELEVATOR DOES NOT WORK AND THE ELEVATOR DOESN'T WORK, A WHY? IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T WORK.
I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S HARD TO GET UP TO.
YOU CAN'T PLACE A, A COMPLAINT.
YOU CAN'T EVEN GO TO YOUR OWN POLICE DEPARTMENT ANYMORE.
AND SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD MOVE.
SO REALLY IF WE AS A GROUP BASICALLY HAVE SORT OF A CONSENSUS THAT WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK ON, YOU KNOW, WE WILL COME UP WITH NEXT STEPS AND WE'LL TRY PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE THEN, THEN AT LEAST THERE'S A DEFINITE A PLAN OF ACTION.
AND THEN IF IT, IF IT'S APPROVED, THEN WE COULD START THE CONSTRUCTION RIGHT AFTER, AFTER THAT.
WE'VE GOTTEN UP TO A GOOD START.
I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE ON NOW.
SEE, SEE EVERYBODY ON THE 11TH.
DID YOU PUT IT ON THE AGENDA? UM, I PROBABLY DID.
UM, SO BASICALLY, SO, UM, I WANT, I SORT OF FEEL THAT, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND I'D LIKE TO SEE US, UH, MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED, UM, ADUS TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.
AND U SCHWARTZ I THOUGHT CAME UP WITH SOME GOOD POINTS INDICATING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SECOND, THE MOST RECENT DRAFT, UM, WAS, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME RESTRICTIONS AND IT WAS, AND HE, WE STILL SHOULD.
SO YOU WANT NO RESTRICTION? I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, GET THE MAXIMUM, GIVE PEOPLE THE MAXIMUM.
ANYBODY COULD DO AN A D NO, I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF, IF, UH, GARAGE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS IN TERMS OR IF ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK EVERY, THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD COULD LIVE WITH.
WAS THERE ANYTHING THAT HE SAID THAT HAD VALIDITY THAT YOU FELT WITHIN THE CONTEXT? WELL, ONE THING THAT FRANCIS MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT, I WOULD LIKE LOOK AT TO SEE THE TRANSCRIPT, THE COMMENTS.
WHICH THERE MANY OF THE THINGS THAT, I'M SORRY I NO, I WAS JUST SAYING SO THAT I THINK IF WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD, TO BE ABLE TO READ THOSE COMMENTS IS IMPORTANT.
BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, GO FURTHER, WE MAY NEED TO WAIT ON THIS.
WHEN, WHEN WOULD WE GET THE TRANSCRIPT? SOON? WITHIN A FEW DAYS.
I IMAGINE UHHUH REACHED OUT TO HOLLY, UH, JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO.
SHE INDICATED THEY'RE NOT IN JUST YET.
IS THAT TYPICALLY, IS IT LATE OR? IT'S TYPICALLY A WEEK OR SO THAT THEY COME IN.
SO I, I BELIEVE THOUGH THERE IS ANOTHER TRIAL THAT MAY BE, MAY DELAY A LITTLE BIT.
BASED ON SOME CORRESPONDENCE I HAD.
SO IT COULD BE THE END OF THE WEEK.
I THINK IT COULD BE NEXT WEEK AS WELL.
SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, UM, THE NEXT SCHEDULED HEARING WAS TO BE NOVEMBER 12TH.
PERHAPS IT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE THAT TO THE SECOND NOVEMBER MEETING JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE TRANSCRIPTS AND THEN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION A LITTLE LATER IN THE ROOM.
UH, THE SECOND NOVEMBER WORK SESSION OR THE SECOND NOVEMBER WORK MEETING? WELL, I THINK BOTH, I THINK THE INTENT WAS TO DO BOTH.
SO OUR NEXT WON'T BE HERE FOR THE SECOND NOVEMBER.
I MEAN, I WASN'T THERE 'CAUSE I WAS DEALING WITH A FAMILY MATTER, BUT, UM, LISTENING TO THE VIDEO, I REALLY WANT THE TRANSCRIPT BECAUSE STATEMENTS WERE MADE ABOUT THINGS THAT JUST, I DIDN'T BELIEVE WERE AT ANY RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EXPAND YOUR HOUSE AND INTO THE FOOTPRINT AND HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER LIVE THERE.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ILLEGAL, BUT IN A SECOND KITCHEN MAKES IT ILLEGAL.
BUT THAT'S, ANYBODY COULD EXPAND THEIR HOUSE.
SO I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY READ THE TRANSCRIPT.
ALRIGHT, SO IF, WHAT IF OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON THE 12TH, SO WE CAN'T, WE'RE NOT GONNA MEET BEFORE THAT.
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HAVING OUR, WE'RE JUST HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE THIRD.IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN THE TRANSCRIPTS, HAVE A WORK SESSION, HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO MAINTAIN THE 12TH.
IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A DU CONTINUED HEARING, UH, THE SECOND MEETING OF NOVEMBER AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHICH IS THE 24TH, RIGHT? MONDAY THE 24TH IS THE SECOND MEETING.
I BELIEVE THAT'D BE THE BUDGET HEARING NIGHT NIGHT.
WELL WE, OUR MEETING THE 12TH ON THE 24TH.
THOSE ARE OUR TOWN BOARD MEETINGS.
WE'RE HAVING IT ON A MONDAY BECAUSE OF THANKSGIVING.
JUST SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW CLARIFICATION.
OH, I'LL BE HERE, HERE FOR THAT.
SO LET'S START WHEN WE COULD PUT ON FOR THE WORK SESSION, BECAUSE VETERANS, ARE WE HAVING A WORK SESSION ON VETERANS DAY ON THE 11TH, RIGHT? SHOULD WE MEET THE MONDAY BEFORE THE 10TH? WE COULD DO THAT.
CAN YOU NOT HEAR THAT? AND THEN WE CAN'T DO IT.
SO LET'S PICK IT UP AND THEN FOR THE WORK SESSION MM-HMM
HAVE THE WORK SESSION ON THE 12TH.
WE CAN'T HAVE THE WORK SESSION AFTER THE MEETING.
I MEAN, I ALWAYS HAVE A SECOND.
WHY DON'T WE FIGURE THIS OUT? YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE.
'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE PEOPLE WAITING FOR US, RIGHT? WE ASK.
BUT WE ARE GONNA COME BACK TO THIS, RIGHT? OKAY, GOOD.
DID YOU SEE MY EMAIL I SENT YOU THIS MORNING? YEAH.
MOVING TO THIS IS LATE GREATEST, OTHERWISE IT'S GONNA GET RECYCLED.
SO WANTS, I LIKE TO MOVE TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS WHO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS AND TO DISCUSS, UH, MATTERS LEADING TO THE APPOINTMENT OF A CORPORATION.
SECOND, RIGHT NOW, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.