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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, November 5, 2025 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5TH, 2025, PLANNING BOARD, TOWN OF GREEN BOARD PLANNING.AARON, WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL CALL MS. DAVIS.
HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT BOARD MEMBER MICHELLE MOYER, WILL NOT BE PRESENT THIS EVENING.
OUR ALTERNATE MS. ANDERSON IS ON THE WAY, SO WE'LL ANNOUNCE WHEN SHE ARRIVES.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO GO OVER, UH, THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE OCTOBER 15TH, 2025 MINUTES? YES, I HAVE TWO COMMENTS.
UH, UM, THE, THE PROJECTS THAT WE JUST BARELY OPENED AND CLOSED IN LAST 15 MINUTES, I THINK.
UH, PARTICULARLY BMR. WE DIDN'T HAVE IT MORE THAN 15 MINUTE.
AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT IT WAS JUST, UH, SINCE THEY HAVE BEEN HERE, WE ASKED, I THINK, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT, UH, UH, SOME SORT OF NOTE THAT IT WAS NOT REALLY A FULL A MEETING WORK SESSION.
SO I MEAN IT THEN OTHERWISE IT SAYS THAT, UH, WE HAD THREE MEETINGS OR FOUR MEETINGS, AND THIS DOESN'T, DOESN'T QUALIFY AS A, AS HAS BEEN PRESENTATION.
ABB, AN ABBREVIATED PRESENTATION DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS, THERE WAS NO, NO, NO PRESENTATION.
WE JUST OPEN UP AND CLOSE THAT, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.
SO THAT'S MY, YOU CAN WORD IT, BUT IT WAS, IT SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A, ANY REVIEW OF THE PROJECT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOT PERMIT.
I MOVE TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
YEAH, LET'S JUST GIVE IT A MINUTE.
SO, UH, FOR THE RECORD, MS. ANDERSON ARRIVED AT 7 0 8.
SHE'S OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER WHO WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.
UH, WHEN YOU APPROVE THE MINUTES, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, CORRESPONDENCE AND IT'S CASE NUMBER PB 1706 NRSF LEY ROAD SUBDIVISION.
AND I BELIEVE SOMETHING CAME IN THIS AFTERNOON.
SO, UH, AGAIN, PB 1706 NRSF SUBDIVISION ARDSLEY ROAD, UH, THAT PROJECT RECEIVED FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2023 IN CONNECTION WITH FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
ALSO WERE ISSUED THE PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE PLANNING BOARD.
CRAIG, KATE, YOU COULDN'T GET IN.
CHRIS, JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A MOMENT.
I'M SORRY, KATE'S TRYING TO LOG IN.
UM, I DON'T SEE HER IN THE WAITING ROOM, BUT WHEN I DO, I WILL ADMIT HER.
SO, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, THE PLANNING BOARD'S STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND WET AND WATERCOURSE PERMIT TOOK EFFECT AT THE DATE OF FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AND WERE VALID FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS.
THE APPLICANT'S BEEN WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH TOWN STAFF TO OBTAIN IF THE FINAL PERMITS NECESSARY TO TRANSITION INTO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
AS WE WERE DISCUSSING, UH, LATE LAST WEEK, UM, WE COME TO FIND OUT THAT, UH, THE TWO YEAR PERIOD FOR THOSE PERMITS HAD COME UP IN OC ON OCTOBER 5TH, 2025, UH, WHICH WAS JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO.
WE ASKED THEM TO SUBMIT THE LETTER OF REQUEST.
IT'S THE FIRST EXTENSION REQUEST SPECIFIC TO THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT.
AS I MENTIONED, THE APPLICANT'S BEEN WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH STAFF AND EXPECTS TO OBTAIN THEIR STREET OPENING PERMIT FROM DPW IN ORDER TO BEGIN CUTTING IN THE NEW PRIVATE ROADWAY AS WELL AS THEIR BUILDING PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW PRIVATE ROADWAY WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
AND THEY'RE EAGER, THEY ACTUALLY ALREADY HAVE THEIR TREE REMOVAL PERMITS BEEN REVIEWED.
OUR FORESTRY OFFICER'S BEEN OUT IN THE FIELD AND VERIFIED THAT THE TREES TAGGED ARE THE APPROPRIATE TREES.
WE JUST HOLD THE ISSUANCE OF THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT UNTIL
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THE BUILDING PERMIT'S ISSUED.'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TREES CLEARED AND THEN THE BUILDING PERMIT NOT TO ULTIMATELY GET APPROVED.
SO THE VOTE TONIGHT IS WHETHER OR NOT TO ISSUE, ISSUE THEM A TWO YEAR RETROACTIVE EXTENSION, WHICH WOULD GO THROUGH OCTOBER 5TH, 2027.
UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, I DO ACTUALLY HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, FOR THE NEWER MEMBERS AROUND THE TABLE, COULD YOU PROVIDE MAYBE THE, THE BRIEFEST AMOUNT OF HISTORY ON HOW THIS IS A 2017 CASE, BUT ONLY THE FIRST, UH, REQUEST FOR EXTENSION? SURE.
SO IT IS A FOUR LOT SUBDIVISION, THREE NEW RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH A PRIVATE ROADWAY, UM, OFF OF ARDSLEY ROAD.
AND PART OF THE REASON WHY THIS PROJECT TOOK A NUMBER OF YEARS TO GET TO THE POINT OF FINAL SUBDIVISION WAS THE FACT THAT THERE WAS AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, UH, THAT HAD AN OVERSIZED LOT WITH A DRIVEWAY, A LONG DRIVEWAY THAT WENT OUT TO LEY ROAD.
AND THE PLANNING BOARD DURING ITS REVIEW, IDENTIFIED THAT THIS PROPOSED PROJECT, UM, HAD A CUL-DE-SAC THAT WOULD BUTT UP ADJACENT TO THIS OTHER GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY AND THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELIMINATE A LONG STRETCH OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND ANOTHER CURB CUT OUT TO ARDSLEY ROAD.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED THIS APPLICANT TO COORDINATE WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR TO SEE IF THERE'D BE INTEREST IN POTENTIALLY RECONFIGURING THEIR DRIVEWAY OUT TO THIS CUL-DE-SAC.
AND THAT TOOK SOME TIME AND THE NEIGHBOR ALSO HAD TO FILE FOR PERMITS.
SO THEN THEY KIND OF COORDINATED WITH ONE ANOTHER.
AND, UM, ULTIMATELY THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS APPROVED.
HOWEVER, I DON'T NEED TO REALLY GET INTO THIS, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE OF HEART AT THE END.
ONE OF THE OWNERS, UH, PASSED AND THE FAMILY DID NOT ULTIMATELY DECIDE TO TIE INTO THE CUL-DE-SACS ARE THEY GONNA REMAIN? AND THIS APPLICANT HAD TO COME BACK IN BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA LANDSCAPE THE WHOLE AREA THAT WAS GONNA BE TORN OUT THE ASPHALT DRIVEWAY TO RELOCATE ALL THOSE PLANTINGS ONTO THEIR SITE.
BUT THEY DID COME BACK AND WE, WE APPROVED ALL THAT EARLIER THIS YEAR.
SO I MOVED TO GIVE THEM A TWO YEAR EXTENSION RETROACTIVE FROM OCTOBER 5TH, 2025.
JUST, JUST, OH, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE WAS WAS ABOUT THE STREET NAME.
THE NEXT, UM, RETROACTIVE, UM, FROM OCTOBER 5TH, 2025 GOING THROUGH OCTOBER 5TH, 2027.
AND ANOTHER ONE FROM, UH, 2004.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER PB 0 4 0 2 RMC, CARRIAGE HILLS WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE.
AND THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AN AMENDMENT TO CONDITION 7.7 OF THE PLANNING BOARD LETTER OF FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL DE DATED DECEMBER 2ND, 2010.
AND ALL SUBSEQUENT SUBDIVISION APPROVALS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT TO MODIFY THE NAME OF THE ROADWAY FROM TBD LANE TO WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE, REPRESENTING A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE ROADWAY.
SO THE BROADWAY HAS NOT HAD A NAME, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT'S BEEN SINCE 10.
SO THEY ACTUALLY, THIS, UM, PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION, RIGHT, IT WAS TBD LANE IDENTIFIED IN THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL CONDITION 7.71.
AND, UM, ULTIMATELY THE DEVELOPER SOUGHT TO, UM, ESTABLISH THE ROADWAY NAME AS A PARTICULAR NAME.
IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE CHANNELS, WHICH IS THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO WE'VE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE ORIGINAL, UH, APPLICANT AND DEVELOPER, AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THE LETTER OF REQUEST.
SO THE DRAGO DRAGO LANE DRAGO WAY WOULD BE ELIMINATED AND ALL THOSE PROPERTIES WOULD BE KNOWN AS WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE, A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING WEST WESTCHESTER VIEW LANE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
WE WILL GET THAT EXECUTED FOR THE APPLICANT.
AND, AND I DO JUST WANT TO, UH, I GUESS COMPLIMENT THE STAFF AND COMPLIMENT THE WHOLE
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BOARD.YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHEN WE, WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS PUT ON THE AGENDA THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE RECEIVE, AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR I THINK ABOUT A YEAR NOW.
AND I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD THING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TRACK PROJECTS AND, UM, JUST A GOOD STEP FORWARD FOR THE BOARD.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS ALL BUSINESS WORK SESSION AND IT'S CASE NUMBER PB 25 DASH 16 HONG AT FOUR 14 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH.
AND THIS IS FOR A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
AND THIS IS A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE DECISION OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, FOR STEEP SLOPE PERMIT FOR THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YES.
SO I CAN WALK THE BOARD THROUGH IT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING.
YEAH, I'M JUST HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, JUST FOLLOWING THE CLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW, UH, THE BOARD HAD DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE A DRAFT DECISION.
UH, I DID WANT TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION.
IT WAS EMAILED OUT EARLIER TODAY, BUT THERE WAS SOME UNTIMELY EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE PROVIDED BY THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH AND HIS ENGINEER.
UM, I DISCUSSED IT WITH MS. MAGNA AND, UM, IT, THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE EMAIL ADDRESS THAT HE SENT IT TO, SO IT WAS TIMELY, BUT HE MISSPELLED MY NAME IN THE EMAIL SO I DIDN'T GET IT AND HE WAS WONDERING WHY I DIDN'T RESPOND TO HIM AND HE FOLLOWED UP.
SO WE FORWARDED THAT OUT TO THE BOARD.
UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER, UM, AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS PART OF THE RECORD CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD.
UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE DRAFT DECISION, UM, THERE ARE A FEW VOTES FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
SO, UM, FIRST WOULD BE, I'LL GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS AS WELL.
SO, UM, THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER TWO VOTES.
ONE TO CLASSIFY THE PROJECT AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER AND SECOND TO CONSIDER A VOTE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE DRAFT DECISION THAT EVERYONE RECEIVED, UH, WE NOTICED A, UH, SOME TYPOS IN THE HEADER.
THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO AN INCORRECT, UM, CASE NUMBER.
IT HAD THE CORRECT CASE NAME AND ADDRESS, BUT IT WAS REFERENCED AS PB 25 25.
WE'VE UPDATED THAT TO REFLECT THE ACTUAL CASE NUMBER, WHICH IS PB 25 16.
THERE'S ALSO A REFERENCE TO THAT IN THE BODY AS WELL.
SO WE UPDATED THAT ON PAGE TWO.
WITH RESPECT TO SITE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OR CONDITIONS.
THIS BOARD SPENT A LOT OF TIME, UM, CONSIDERING COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY NEIGHBORS TO THE SITE.
AND, UM, WE HAVE DRAFTED TWO CONDITIONS, UM, TWO SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST BEING CONDITION 4.1 ON PAGE FOUR, WHICH STATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL INSTALL FALL PROTECTION FENCING ON TOP OF THE RETAINING WALL.
AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS LISTED IN SECTION ONE OF THIS DECISION, THE APPLICANT SHALL ENSURE THAT THE FENCING HAS A GATE TO ALLOW ACCESS FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES.
SO THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE ACCESS, THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A WALKWAY OR A WALKABLE AREA UP ABOVE THE WALL, THERE STILL IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND COMMUNITY UP ABOVE, YOU KNOW, A CHILD COULD KICK A BALL END UP FOLLOWING IT.
WE DON'T WANNA SEE ANYONE GET INJURED.
THE APPLICANT WAS AGREEABLE TO THAT.
SO THAT WAS ADDED AS A CONDITION 4.2, UM, IN OUR PREP SESSION WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR WAS, UM, SLIGHTLY SUGGESTED FOR MODIFICATION FROM WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD RECEIVED.
SO I'M JUST GONNA RECITE IT HOW IT'S PROPOSED TO READ AT THIS TIME.
THE PLANNING BOARD REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO CONTINUE TO COORDINATE WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE NORTH OF THE PROJECT SITE TO DETERMINE IF ACCESS MAY BE GRANTED ACROSS SUCH NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY IN ORDER TO CARRY OUT CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROJECT.
WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION EVIDENCING SUCH COORDINATION MUST BE PROVIDED TO THE BUILDING'S INSPECTOR PRIOR TO FILING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.
ALL ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT SHALL TAKE PLACE ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING UNLESS ACCESS FROM THE NORTH IS DENIED BY SUCH PROPERTY OWNERS WITH EVIDENCE PROVIDED IN WRITING.
SO IT WAS UPDATED FROM THE DRAFT THAT YOU RECEIVED.
SO UNLESS THERE'S WRITTEN DENIAL, UH, FOR ACCESS FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS TO THE NORTH, THE PROJECT SHALL BE CARRIED OUT VIA ACCESS FROM THE NORTH.
IF HE DOESN'T JUST RESPOND, UH, NO RESPONSE AT ALL.
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YEAH, WELL, STAFF HAS NOW RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER AND THE PROPERTY OWNER.SO WE HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION AND WE WOULD REACH OUT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND OBTAIN SOMETHING IN WRITING AND NOBODY'S QUITE WATCHING.
SO, UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID REALIZE, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED TO US THAT THERE MIGHT BE A FEW OWNERS, BUT WE WANT, UH, WRITTEN EVIDENCE THAT THERE WAS CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN THE OWNERS ON THE NORTH AND HONG AND, AND THIS APPLICANT.
'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE LAST TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER OF THE NORTHERN, YOU KNOW, THE NORTH PARCEL REALLY DIDN'T WANT THE GRANT TAXES.
UM, WELL THE CORRESPONDENCE I HAVE, UH, BETWEEN THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER AND ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, OWNERS OF THE SITE TO THE NORTH INDICATES THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OPEN TO THE POTENTIAL ACCESS, BUT THEY HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS.
AND UM, YOU KNOW, THEY LISTED SEVEN ITEMS. THAT INDIVIDUAL LISTED SEVEN ITEMS SUCH AS WHO'S THE EXACT PROPERTY OWNER MAKING THE REQUEST, WHO IS INDEMNIFYING THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THEIR THAT PROPERTY? UM, WHAT IS THE TIMING? HOW LONG WILL THE WORK GO, UH, CONTINUE ON FOR? AND WHEN WOULD THEIR PROPERTY, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE THE LAWN AREA IS CHEWED UP, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO RESTORE THAT AREA? THEY'D WANT A COPY OF THE BUILDING PERMIT.
THEY NEED INSURANCE CERTIFICATES FROM THE CONTRACTOR.
THEY WANT TO KNOW THE FULL SCOPE OF WORK.
AND THEY ALSO INDICATED IF NEEDED, UH, WE MAY HAVE TO PREPARE A LICENSING AGREEMENT BY OUR ATTORNEYS.
THE PERSON THAT SPOKE WAS NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH AT THE LAST MEETING.
IS THAT WHO YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH.
WHO? THAT WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH.
AND HE WANTED THE ACCESS FROM THE NORTH, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AS THE, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER FROM THE NORTH INDICATED, I MEAN, THEY CAN, YOU COULD ACCESS THIS, WE COULD ACCESS IT FROM THE SOUTH TOO.
YOU COULD DO IT ON, ON, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT IS UNACHIEVABLE WITH THE NORTH FROM THE COUNTER.
THE LETTER FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER, UH, IDENTIFIED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESSING THE, THE REAR FROM THE SOUTH.
SO THE WAY THAT, DID YOU GET THAT? YEAH, THAT WAS IN THE PACKET.
YEAH, THAT WAS A, IT'S PROBABLY THE GAS METER I BELIEVE, OR, YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S A GAS METER AND WHICH THE BOLLARD AND, AND THE BOLLARD AND WALL, THE, THE SOUTH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW THAN, THAN THE NORTH.
AND I BELIEVE THE ITEMS THAT WERE LISTED OUT THAT IF YOU KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH WOULD BE ITEMS, I ASSUME MOST OF THEM THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN ANY CASE.
THE ONLY QUESTION OR COMMENT I SHOULD SAY THAT CAME UP FROM THE PROJECT ENGINEER WITH RESPECT TO CONDITION 4.2 IS THAT ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH'S REQUEST FOR THE, A COPY OF THE BUILDING PERMIT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING, UM, THE REQUEST OR SUGGESTION WAS THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER MODIFYING, UM, SENTENCE TWO, WHICH STATES WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION EVIDENCING SUCH COORDINATION MUST BE PROVIDED TO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR PRIOR TO FILING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT, UM, TO PERHAPS, UH, INSTEAD OF PRIOR TO FILING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT TO NO LATER THAN AT THE TIME OF FILING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.
YEAH, I MEAN, MY CONCERN IS THIS COULD JUST GO ON, YOU KNOW, LIKE ENDLESSLY.
OKAY, SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, YEAH, WELL THERE'S A LOT OF CONDITIONS.
THE, THE OWNER OF THE NORTH PARCEL MAY GO AWAY THAT MAY NOT BE AROUND.
THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT, THEY DON'T WANT TO HIRE A LAWYER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
AND I MEAN, THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THEN THEY CAN JUST DECLINE AND THEN WELL, AND THEY DON'T, THEY JUST IGNORE IT.
WELL THEN YOU BRING THEM TO COURT ON AN RPA ONE PROCEDURE, RIGHT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO GO TO COURT.
SO I THINK, WELL, IF, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER'S NOT WILLING TO PROVIDE ACCESS, THEN IT WOULD JUST BE PROVIDED THROUGH THE SOUTH.
IT'S JUST PREFERABLE DUE TO THE YEAH.
THE WIDTH AND THE UTILITIES AND OTHER LOCATIONS.
BUT THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS BEING REQUESTED BY THE BOARD TO MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO THEIR NEIGHBOR AND SEE IF THEY CAN ACCESS THROUGH THE NORTH.
I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD FAITH EFFORT.
PERHAPS YOU WANNA TIME CONSTRAINT, YOU MEAN, I JUST THINK THERE SHOULD BE A TIME CONSTRAINT THAT IF THEY CAN'T COME TO TERMS WITHIN A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME, THEN YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH THE SOUTH.
I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME IS TO SEE WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE OWNERS IN THE NORTH OR ON THE NORTH THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CONTACTED AND THAT THEY EITHER DECLINED OR HAVE FAILED TO RESPOND.
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CAN SAY THEY FAILED TO RESPOND, BUT, BUT I, WE WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE REACHED OUT AND THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES OR NO.I THINK THAT'S THE PART THAT I WOULD NEED.
SHOULDN'T THAT COME FROM THE APPLICANT? THEY SHOULD, THEY SHOULD TELL YOU WE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND HAVEN'T HEARD OR WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
SO YES, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE, YOU KNOW, ON IF THIS, UH, DECISION'S ADOPTED TODAY AND EXECUTED TOMORROW, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE NOVEMBER 10TH, WE REACH BACK OUT VIA EMAIL TO THIS NEIGHBOR.
WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING FOR A WEEK ON NOVEMBER 17TH, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN COPY THE TOWN ON THE CORRESPONDENCE AS WELL.
EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE SO THAT WE'RE AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, THE EFFORTS BEING MADE AND THEY DON'T NEED A, A LETTER FROM THE NORTHERN PARCEL OWNER THAT THEY DENY THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT.
WELL, I THINK BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SAYS NOW, SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU WOULD PREFER THERE TO BE LANGUAGE ADDED TO THE EFFECT OF, OR IF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH FAILS TO RESPOND.
LET ME JUST DEFINED PERIOD OF TIME, IF I MAY GIVE SOME CLARITY TO WHY I SAID IT.
I DON'T WANT A VERBAL, WE REACHED OUT, I WANT IT TO BE WRITTEN SO THAT THAT'S REALLY THE, THE GOAL.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE APPLICANT TELLING THE BOARD THAT THEY REACHED OUT, SENT THIS LETTER, HERE'S A COPY OF THE LETTER WE SENT AND THEY HAVEN'T RESPONDED.
AND, AND IF THEY'VE RESPONDED, WE CAN'T COME TO TERMS. OKAY.
SO FOR ME THE GOAL WAS IT JUST CAN'T BE THE APPLICANT SAYING VERBALLY IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
AND THEN, BUT NOW THERE NEEDS TO BE A TIME PERIOD WHERE THERE'S NO RESPONSE.
AND WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION? I MEAN, WELL, BEFORE THEY START, I MEAN 60 DAYS THEY WANTED TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD SAY 60 DAYS MORE THAN WE JUMP.
I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN I WAS GONNA SAY TOO.
YOU KNOW, YOU WERE GONNA SAY, WHAT DOESN'T
'CAUSE YOU FIGURED THE HOLIDAYS AND EVERYTHING AND THERE'S MULTIPLE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA CORRAL EVERYBODY.
WITHIN 60 DAYS, WHAT WAS IT THE TOWN ENGINEER'S LETTER OR ANOTHER LETTER THAT SUGGESTED UNDERPINNING THE, THE, THE WALL? IT WAS THE TOWN ENGINEER'S LETTER.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE, IT WAS INITIALLY BROUGHT UP BY THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH ENGINEER.
BUT I BELIEVE THE TOWN ENGINEER CONFIRMED THAT UNDERPINNING MAY, MAY BE REQUIRED.
SO I GUESS IF WE'RE GONNA SOFTEN THIS SIDE A LITTLE BIT, DO, DO WE WANNA ALSO INCLUDE THAT IN THE EVENT IT'S ACCESS FROM THE SOUTH, THE THE WALL MUST BE UNDERPINNED? WELL, THEY SAID NO, IT WASN'T NECESSARY.
SO THE RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER WAS THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARY.
BUT WHAT DID THE TOWN ENGINEER SAY? THE TOWN ENGINEER SAID IT MAY, IT MAY BE IMPACTED.
IT WASN'T A, THE, THE WORD MAY WAS USED.
AND THE GAS METER COULD BE TEMPORARILY REMOVED, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEEDED ACCESS ON THAT SIDE.
SO I BELIEVE BUILDING IS CONFIRMED THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO DISCONNECT THE GAS.
BUT I, I, I THINK WE JUST ARE TOO MUCH.
I MEAN THE, IT'S IN THEIR INTEREST TO FINISH THE JOB, SO WHETHER SOUTH OR NOT, AND IF THERE IS A DIFFICULTY TO RELOCATE AND ALL THAT STUFF, THEY WILL DO IT.
I MEAN, IF THEY DAMAGE SOMETHING, THEY HAVE TO FIX IT.
SO I THINK, UH, IT'S TO ME, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, I THINK THE TIGHTEST AREA, AREA WHERE THE GAS METER IS, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT THAT'S GONNA BE PROTECTED.
THE, WELL THERE'S LIKE I SAID, PS REMOVE THE METER.
WHAT THE TOWN WAIT ONE AT A TIME SECOND.
SO WHAT THE TOWN ENGINEER'S LETTER SAYS IS ADDITIONALLY THEY'RE REMOVING EARTH FROM THE AREA THAT HAS THE NEIGHBOR'S RETAINING WALL.
THIS MAY CAUSE ISSUES WITH THE STABILITY OF THE WALL.
SO THE MAY IS IN TERMS OF THE STABILITY, THE MAY IS NOT IN TERMS OF THE NECESSITY TO UNDERPIN IT.
CAN YOU RECITE THAT ONE MORE TIME? ADDITIONALLY, THEY'RE REMOVING EARTH FROM THE AREA THAT HAS THE NEIGHBOR'S RETAINING WALL.
THIS MAY CAUSE ISSUES WITH THE STABILITY OF THE WALL.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT PORTION WOULD BE WHERE THE NEW WALL MEETS THAT WALL.
SO IT'S NOT THE WHOLE LENGTH GOING BACK FOR THE ACCESS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UH, THE WALL RUNS THE LENGTH LENGTH.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL, YOU KNOW, GOING TO DO SOME EXCAVATION NEAR THAT WALL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S THE SECTION.
BUT QUESTION THAT EXCAVATION HAS ALREADY OCCURRED AROUND THE WALL.
UM, IN THE CURRENT STATE, IT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A FREESTANDING WALL.
LIKE IT WAS NEVER GRADED TO BEGIN WITH.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SECTION THERE THAT IS EXPOSED, BUT FROM MY
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UNDERSTAND, I, ELLIOT WAS REALLY THE ONE SITE HE TOLD ME IT WAS A FREE STANDING WALL AT THAT SECTION HAS BEEN LIKE THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.SO, YOU KNOW, THE ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT HAS PUT THEIR STAMP AND SEAL AND PUT THEIR LICENSE ON IT INDICATING THAT THEIR PLAN TO DO THE WORK IS GOING TO, UM, NOT IMPACT THE WALL.
UM, WE ARE ASKING THAT THEY APPROACH IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBLE, UH, RISK WHICH CAN BE MITIGATED BY INCLUDING UNDERPINNING AND OTHER, UH, MITIGATING FACTORS.
UM, BUT THE END OF THE DAY THEIR LICENSED ENGINEER IS TESTIFYING THAT, AND, AND I GUESS THIS MIGHT BE OBVIOUS, BUT IN, IN THE EVENT SOMETHING WENT WRONG, THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR REPAIRING THE WALL AND, AND WE ARE REQUIRED TO INSPECT IT AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY AND WE ROW THE, THE BLOCKS AND PRACTICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE OUT THERE EVERY DAY LOOKING AT IT AND MAKING SURE EVERYTHING'S STABLE.
SO, OKAY, THIS IS READY BLOCK, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO I I I, I THINK THE, THE CONDITION WITH, YOU KNOW, MAKING AN EFFORT TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE OWNER FROM THE NORTH, UH, YOU KNOW, GET EITHER GETTING NO RESPONSE WITHIN 60 DAYS OR GETTING A, A VERBAL OR WRITTEN DENIAL THAT THE OWNERS OF THE NORTH, UH, ARE, ARE NOT A MINIMAL IN ANY WAY TO, TO THE APPLICANT ACCESSING THE REAR FROM THE NORTH WITHIN 60 DAYS OR, OR SURE.
SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF, UM, A CONDITION, REVISED LANGUAGE ASSOCIATED WITH CONDITION 4.2.
SO YOU WANT PUT A MOTION TO VOTE ON, WELL, FIRST OF THE VOTE ON THE TYPE TWO SEEKER.
AND NOW WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON THE DRAFT DECISION AS, UM, AMENDED FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION.
AND I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE DRAFT DECISION WITH THE AMENDMENT.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO PUBLIC HEARING.
WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 5TH, 2025 PLANNING BOARD MEETING FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION.
AARON, CAN YOU TAKE THE ROLL POLL PLEASE? CHAIRPERSON DAVIS.
MS. ANDERSON, OUR ALTERNATE HERE.
NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MS. MOYER IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING AND MS. ANDERSON WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA START WITH CASE NUMBER PB 25 0 1 LYNN 50 MULLIGAN LANE.
THIS IS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS THIS STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE APPLICATION INVOLVING A PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW TWO CAR DETACHED GARAGE WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENT IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY, WELL, I, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.
SO DO WE HAVE, IS THE A I BELIEVE MR. BARB IS HERE TO PRESENT.
DID WE, UH, PROCEED A DECISION NO.
UM, AND MATT, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO MR. BARBODI? I'LL GIVE HIM A CALL.
SO, SO IN THAT CASE WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
WE'LL SKIP TO THE NEXT ONE, MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET IT ON.
UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER PB 25 25 SOLTANA AT 7 42 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SOUTH.
AND THIS IS AN INCIDENTAL DINING SPECIAL PERMIT TO ADD EIGHT SEATS IN THE RESTAURANT.
ARE THEY PRESENT THIS EVENING? NO.
SO WE DID RECEIVE, UM, COMMUNICATION FROM THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE.
THE PLANNING BOARD HAD ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING COUNTS, UH, PARTICULARLY ON A FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AT THIS LOCATION, BOTH, UM, ON THE SITE TO OR TO THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS ONSITE ALONG CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE INDICATED THAT THE FRIDAY COUNTS WERE CONDUCTED, BUT THAT THE SATURDAY COUNTS WERE
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NOT.SO AT THEIR REQUEST, THEY'VE ASKED THE BOARD TO ADJOURN THIS PROJECT OR THIS PUBLIC HEARING, DO A FUTURE SPECIFIED DATE.
AND STAFF HAS SUGGESTED THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER ADJOURNING THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO ITS DECEMBER 3RD, 2025 MEETING.
IS THERE ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE THAT CAME THIS EVENING THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT? EITHER IN PERSON OR VIA ZOOM.
OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, STAFF'S, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER ADJOURNING THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO DECEMBER 3RD, 2025.
IT'LL BE ADJOURNED UNTIL DECEMBER 3RD, 2025.
AND MAY I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
UH, CAN WE GIVE TWO MINUTES? MAYBE MR. OUI IS ON NOW.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO CASE PB 25 0 1 LYNN AT 50 MULLIGAN LANE.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A, A STEEP SLOPE APPLICANT.
YES, MR. UDDI? UH, GOOD EVENING.
UH, YEAH, I TEXTED MATT, I EMAILED MATT.
UM, NAME IS BARB VIEW, THE ARCHITECT FOR THE LYNN, UH, FAMILY, UH, FOR PROPOSED TWO CAR GARAGE.
AND THE BOARD DID LAST SEE THIS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AS PART OF A WORK SESSION.
AT THAT TIME, THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS RELATED TO THE HEIGHT OF, UH, THE DETACHED GARAGE.
THE APPLICANT'S BEEN BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD AND WAS GRANTED ITS VARIANCE.
UM, RECENTLY THOUGH WE DO NOT HAVE A COPY OF THAT EXECUTED DECISION YET.
SO NOW THEY'RE BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD KNOWING THAT IT WAS APPROVED, UH, FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SO JUST BRIEFLY, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL RECAP, UH, UH, JUST IN TWO, TWO-STORY, TWO STORY DWELLING.
UM, TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY WHERE MY HAND IS, UH, THERE IS AN EXIST PRESENTLY AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
THERE'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT THAT WE PLAN TO REUSE.
UH, THERE IS PRESENTLY IN THIS AREA, UM, A ON-GRADE GRAVEL PARKING AREA.
UH, AND THEN RIGHT AT THE, UH, PART OF THE PARKING AREA AND PART OF THE SLOPE AS IT GOES DOWN THE HILL IS WHERE WE PROPOSE THE TWO CAR GARAGE.
UM, THE GARAGE WILL BE, UH, ONE AND A HALF STORIES, UH, TALL.
UH, IT WILL HAVE A, A LOWER LEVEL OR BASEMENT AREA BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY, UH, FOR, UH, STORAGE OF, UH, LAWN EQUIPMENT AND UH, UH, THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UM, AND ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, IN THE ATTIC AREA, UH, ACCESS THROUGH THE INTERIOR OF THE GARAGE, THERE WILL BE A HOME OFFICE, UH, FOR THE RESIDENCE AT A DWELLING.
UM, THEY PRESENTLY HAVE ONE OF THE OFFICES IN THE THIRD BEDROOM OF THE HOUSE.
UM, I BELIEVE THEY'RE EXPECTING ANOTHER CHILD, UH, SOON.
AND SO THEY NEED TO GIVE THAT UP IN ORDER TO, UH, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO WORK AT HOME.
UH, LAST WE WERE HERE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS TO INSTALL SOME SORT OF, UH, UH, EVERGREEN PLANTINGS, UH, TO THE WEST TO SCREEN THE NEIGHBOR, UH, FROM THE GARAGE, UH, WHICH WE INCLUDED IN THE SUBMISSION.
UH, YOU KNOW, SIX FOOT TALL, UH, UH, AT THE BEGINNING, UH, FIVE FOOT ON CENTER ON ES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GET TO BE ABOUT 15 TO 20 FEET TALL ONCE MATURE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
UM, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
THE COURT HAS, UM, TWO QUICK THINGS, IF I MAY.
ONE, UM, WHICH IS JUST A NOTE THAT, UH, I'M GLAD AND HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THESE JUNIOR GIANTS, UH, ARBOR BIDES.
I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT ALTERNATIVE TO THE STANDARD GREEN GIANT, RIGHT? THEY DON'T GET AS TALL.
UH, SO THAT'S GREAT AND A TOOL THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT IN OUR TOOLKIT MOVING FORWARD.
SECOND IS, BEING THAT THIS IS A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, IF YOU COULD JUST QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE DISTURBANCE TO THE STEEP SLOPES
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AND AS WELL AS, UH, I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME DRY WELLS PROPOSED FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.SO BASICALLY THIS IS OUR AREA OF DISTURBANCE, MAP OR DRAWING.
LEMME TRY TO ZOOM IN WHERE IT'S GONNA BE SEEN.
UM, SO FOR THE MOST PART, THE HATCHED GREEN AREA, UH, IS A ZERO TO 14% SLOPE.
UH, THE AREA THAT'S IN BLUE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 615 SQUARE FEET IS THE 35% PLUS.
UM, LOOKING AT THE WAY THE HOUSE IS SITUATED AND, UM, JUST BASED ON THE EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVEWAY, UH, THIS, IN MY OPINION, IT WAS PROBABLY, UH, A MANMADE SLOPE, UH, AT, AT THAT SEVERITY.
I THINK IT WAS FILLED IN TO CREATE A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY PRIOR TO MY OWNER, MY CLIENTS, UH, OWNING THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, AND IT TAKES UP PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, HALF THE GARAGE SPACE.
UM, IF I COULD SCROLL BACK, UH, BEAR WITH ME ONE SECOND.
JUST NEED TO FIND THE STEEP, THE DRY WELLS.
NO, UH, I DON'T SEEM TO HAVE THAT DRAWING, BUT THE REASON FOR THIS AREA OF DISTURBANCE AT THIS BACK IS A, UH, SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, UH, SIZE FOR THE, UH, GARAGE AREA, WHICH WILL CONSIST OF COAL TECH UNITS, UM, UH, IN GRAVEL.
AND THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR TOWN ENGINEER OR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING FOR COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? WITH THE, UH, YES, CORRECT.
STONEWATER MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE.
SO WE HAD FILED AND HAD GONE BACK AND FORTH, UH, ONCE OR TWICE WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UH, AND I BELIEVE, UH, THAT THEY WERE SATISFIED WITH WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED.
I THINK THAT WAS A CAVEAT IN ORDER FOR ME TO GET THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO THIS, THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR, FOR MS. MAGNA OR MS. GARRITY IF SHE'S, IF SHE'S WATCHING.
UM, AND I THINK OF THIS ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE AN APPLICATION COMING UP THAT ALSO RELATES TO THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
SO SINCE THIS, SINCE THIS PROJECT HAS A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY, DOES THAT IMPACT THE, THE OFF THE, THE PAVED PARKING REQUIREMENT? OR IS IT A PRE-EXISTING GRAVEL DRIVEWAY? I, I'D HAVE TO RELY BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO I CAN ASK, UM, 'CAUSE WE HAVE A PROJECT COMING UP IN A LITTLE BIT THAT ONE OF THE VARIANCES THAT SUGGESTED IS, UH, PAVED PARKING REQUIREMENT.
AND SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE TWO, UM, COMPORT WITH EACH OTHER, UM, OTHER THAN THE JUNIOR GREEN GIANTS.
UH, IS THE, ARE THE, WERE THERE ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS MADE BY THE ZBA THAT YOU CAN POINT OUT? OR IS IT MORE OR LESS THE SAME PLANS AS, UH, WHEN IT WAS LAST IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD? UH, THIS IS THE SAME PLAN, UH, THAT WAS IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD, I GUESS BACK IN MAY.
UH, THE ONLY CHANGE WAS THE LANDSCAPING TO THE WEST, TO THE WEST, UM, THE SAME PLAN THAT WENT TO THE ZBA.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK I'M USING A FLASH DRIVE FROM THE ZBA, NOT THE PLANNING BOARD FROM LAST TIME.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO STORM WATER ON IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? IS THERE ANY, UH, HOW DO DRAINS THE DRIVEWAY? IT'S TOWARD THE CUL-DE-SAC OR IS THE DRAINAGE OF THE DRIVEWAY IS TOWARD THE CUL-DE-SAC OR TOWARD THE GARAGE? SO IT GOES TOWARDS THE CUL-DE-SAC BECAUSE THAT'S THE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY OF, OF WHAT IS PRESENTLY THERE.
UH, SO WE, WE DECIDED TO MAINTAIN THAT AND NOT DISTURB ANY OF THAT AREA.
SO IS THERE ANY, UM, DRAINAGE OR, UM, SORT OF LINEAR, SO, SO AS YOU, SO NOT TO INTERRUPT, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, UH, AS I SLIDE THE DRAWING UP, UH, MULLIGAN LANE IS BASICALLY A RELATIVELY NEW, UH, EXTENSION.
UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS PROBABLY A SUBDIVISION FOR LIKE THREE OR FOUR OF THE HOUSES.
UM, SO THAT WAS NEWLY CREATED.
THERE IS, THERE ARE NEW STORM DRAINS, AS YOU CAN SEE WHERE MY HANDS ARE, UH, ON THE CUL-DE-SAC.
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SOME SORT OF A, UH, LINEAR DRAIN SO THE WATER FROM DRIVEWAY DOESN'T COME ONTO THE EXISTING CUL-DE-SAC? MR. MR. DESAI, IF I CAN SURE.SO WHEN, UH, THE MULLIGAN LANE EXTENSION CUL-DE-SAC WAS, UH, REVIEWED OR, OR PROPOSED, ULTIMATELY APPROVED AND REVIEWED BY STAFF, UM, IT DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE, THE WATER THAT WAS SHEETING OFF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THIS WAS THE EXISTING HOME THAT TIED OFF THAT ROAD.
SO THEY DID FACTOR THAT IN WHEN THEY CREATED THE STONEWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE MULLIGAN LANE EXTENSION.
SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR ADDITIONAL, I MEAN, IT IS ALREADY BEEN FACTORED IN.
UH, THIS MEMO THAT MATT DID ON MARCH 19TH OF THIS YEAR SAID THAT THE SECOND FLOOR WAS GONNA BE USED AS A STUDIO LOFT AREA.
UH, AND IF IT IS, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, DOES THAT MEAN A HOME OFFICE IS NOT A HABITABLE LIVING SPACE? I HAVE IT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S HABITABLE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU CAN OCCUPY IT, UM, LIKE YOU WOULD, UM, AN OFFICE, BUT NOT FOR LIVING PURPOSES.
FOR LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S NO KITCHEN, THERE'S NO, UM MM-HMM
AND, AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE WAY THE, THE CODE IS WRITTEN, AT LEAST THIS MOMENT, UM, THE, THE KITCHEN IS SORT OF THE DETERMINATOR BETWEEN HOW MANY, HOW OR IF IT'S A MULTIFAMILY OR A SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY.
CURRENTLY THE KITCHEN IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR.
AND THERE IS A, UH, STAIR THAT TAKES PEOPLE DOWN TO IT OR HOW THEY EGRESS FROM THAT SECOND LEVEL.
SO, SO THERE IS A STAIR FROM THE LOFT AREA DOWN INTO THE GARAGE.
UH, AND THEN THERE IS A MAN DOOR THAT LEADS TO AN EXISTING SIDEWALK, UM, DOWN IN THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE.
UH, AND THE BASEMENT IS BELOW GRADE.
AND, AND HOW TALL IS IT? WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF IT? SO THE BASEMENT IS PARTIALLY BELOW GRADE BECAUSE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE GARAGE DOORS ARE IS COMPLETELY UNDERGROUND.
AS YOU START GOING TOWARDS THE REAR, UM, THE PROPERTY DOES SLOPE AWAY FROM THE FRONT.
SO, UM, AT THE BACK END IT IS, UM, COMPLETELY EXPOSED.
THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE IS, UH, NOT THE GARAGE, THE BASEMENT, THE BASEMENT AREA IS, UH, I BELIEVE EIGHT FOOT FINISHED.
EIGHT FOOT FIVE, NO WINDOWS IN THE BASEMENT.
UH, BASEMENT ONLY HAS A DOUBLE DOOR, UH, LEADING TO THE EXTERIOR, NO WINDOWS.
UM, IS THERE ANYBODY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS TO THE BOARD? IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT, EITHER IN PERSON OR ON ZOOM, PLEASE? YES.
SHOULD I COME UP PLEASE? YES, PLEASE.
AND SAY, STATE YOUR NAME AND SURE.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
I LIVE ON, UH, 12 CAYUGA LANE, SO LIKE THE STREET ADJACENT TO MULLIGAN.
UM, OBVIOUSLY I'LL SAY I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT FOR THE PROJECT.
I ALSO APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE INVESTING IN THEIR PROPERTIES.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS AROUND WATER FLOW.
SO WHEN THE BUILDING WAS DONE ON MORGAN LANE RECENTLY, IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TO BUILD OTHER HOUSES, I'LL SAY WHILE SOME WATER ASSESSMENT WAS DONE, IT WAS WOEFULLY INADEQUATE.
AND LIKE I COULD SAY, NOT MY HOUSE, BUT MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES ARE CONSISTENTLY FLOODED STILL WITH WATER COMING DOWN FROM THAT STREET WHEN THERE'S FLASH FLOODING.
SO LIKE WHAT WAS DONE WAS OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T FACTOR IN.
MAYBE GLOBAL WARMING, CHANGES IN WEATHER PATTERNS, THIS CHANGE, LIKE I WOULD SAY NEXT TO THE PROPERTY.
SO WEST OF THIS PROPERTY, A NEIGHBOR OF MINE LIVES, AND IT'S, THEIR HOUSE IS PROBABLY ABOUT 50 TO 70 FEET BELOW THIS PROPERTY.
SO IT'S EXTREMELY STEEP, ALMOST LIKE A CLIFF THAT COMES OFF WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS.
AND I WOULD SAY LIKE, IF THAT'S ISN'T ACCOUNTED FOR AND IT'S MORE LIKE DRAINAGE TOWARDS THE CUL-DE-SAC, I'M JUST WONDERING HAS THAT BEEN FACTORED IN BECAUSE IT IS A HUGE DROP OFF.
SO IF THAT AREA IS DISTURBED, IT WILL MAKE IT WORSE FOR MY NEIGHBORS.
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BEHALF HERE, WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT'S, UH, REPRESENTATIVE RESPOND.UH, AND YOU CAN STAY IF YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE A FOLLOW UP.
SO, I MEAN, AS YOU HAD SAID, ANY RUNOFF FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, UM, OFF OF, UH, THE MULLIGAN LANE EXTENSION.
UH, UM, THE CRITERIA FOR, UH, STORM WATER THAT THE, THE TOWN HAS, I BELIEVE IS SIX AND A HALF INCHES OF RAINFALL, UM, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THAT'S HOW THE DRY WELLS ARE CALCULATED.
UM, SO I THINK THAT BASED ON OUR DESIGN FOR THE STORM WATER, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE NEW IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF THE BUILDING, I, IT'S, IT'S ALL GONNA BE CAPTURED IN, IN IN SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE NO RUNOFF GOING DOWN THE HILL.
IT, IT WOULDN'T BE FROM OUR PROPERTY.
SO WHAT THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW BASED ON THIS, THE, OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE LOCATED, LIKE IN THIS PICTURE IT WOULD BE, UH, SOUTH.
ACROSS, ACROSS THE CUL-DE-SAC OR IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT.
UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO THEM, AND THERE IS A, I MEAN, I COULD KIND OF SHOW YOU IF YOU ALLOW ME TO JUST COME UP THERE FOR A MINUTE.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT? I COULD SHOW YOU ON MY KIND OF ON, ON MY PHONE.
UM, SO YEAH, IF YOU WANNA PULL UP ON GOOGLE.
SO MR. BARB, IF YOU COULD JUST STOP YOUR SHARE SCREEN.
ARE YOU GOING TO LIKE STREET VIEW OR AN AREA? YEAH, I COULD, I COULD KIND OF SHOW YOU IF YOU WANT MY, SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION RIGHT HERE.
AND LIKE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT HERE, THIS IS LIKE HOW YOU GOING? YES.
AND IT'S A REALLY, IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY STEEP, IT, IT IS QUITE A DROP DOWN TO CUA.
I JUST WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR ON THE CULDESAC.
NO, THIS, THIS HOUSE I THINK IS STOLEN, UNOCCUPIED, THIS NEW HOUSE.
SO ONE THING WE CAN DO IS, UH, SPEAK TO THE TOWN ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, UM, PRIOR TO, IF THE BOARD WERE TO CONSIDER CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, TYPICALLY THE REC RECORDS, UH, LEFT OPEN FOR A PERIOD OF ONE WEEK.
STAFF CAN REVIEW, UH, THIS COMMENT WITH THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING AND REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD IF THIS INFORMATION AND THE SLOPED AREA WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE TOWN ENGINEER'S REVIEW OF THE APPLICANT'S DRAINAGE.
YOU SAID SIX AND A HALF INCH, SO THAT'S WHAT, 25 YEAR? THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, MR. BARBODI? YEAH.
THE, THE TOWN, THE TOWN'S, UH, STORMWATER, UH, MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS REQUIRE DESIGNING FOR A 25 YEAR STORM EVENT, UM, WHICH HAS RECENTLY BEEN INCREASED.
UH, TWO 50 SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY UP TO THAT SIX, SIX PLUS INCH RAIN EVENT OVER A 24 HOUR.
SO THAT ABOUT 50 YEAR, THAT WILL BE 50 YEAR, UH, STORM OR IT'S A, I MEAN, WHAT IS THE 6, 6, 6 AND A HALF INCH? IS IT 25 OR 50 YEAR? THAT'S A 25 YEAR STORM.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA.
IS THAT THE 25 PLUS OR THE NO, THE 25 PLUS THE NEW, WHICH USED TO BE THE NEW 25 EXACTLY.
SO WHATEVER WAS REQUIRED, REQUIRED FOR THE 50 IS NOW THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE 25 PLUS.
WE MIGHT THINK THAT WHAT'S THE, THE 25 NOW SHOULD BE UNDERLYING 75 OR A HUNDRED, UM, AT THIS POINT.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE TOWN CODE CURRENTLY IS.
RIGHT? UM, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU RUN THAT BACK FOR ME? YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE TOWN ENGINEER JUST, UM, OPINE ON REPORT BACK TO OUR OFFICE ON WHETHER OR NOT THE SLOPE CONSIDERATIONS BROUGHT ABOUT BY THIS NEIGHBOR WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLICANT'S LOT RELATIVE TO THE SLOPE DOWN TO CUA, LANE WAS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE DRAINAGE DESIGN AND REVIEW.
AND IF HE SAYS NO, WELL THEN THAT MAY INVOLVE, UH, WE WOULD REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD THAT COULD INVOLVE, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE STONEWATER MANAGEMENT DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SURE.
THAT IT WAS FACTORED IN, IN ALL LIKELIHOOD
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IT WAS WAS.BUT I JUST WANT TO YOU TO CONFIRM, GET CONFIRMATION.
AND YOU AND OR YOUR NEIGHBOR ARE FREE TO REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE, YOU KNOW, TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS.
UM, I CAN GIVE YOU MY CARD OR MY NUMBER.
YEAH, SINCE WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THIS ON TWO WEEKS RECORD OPEN LONGER, SO WE WOULD PUT NO, WE WOULD ACTUALLY PUT IT ON FOR A DECISION, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BRIEF WE WOULD PUT ON FOR TWO WEEKS.
SO I HAVE SOME CLARITY ARE UPSTAIRS THE EXISTING, I'LL TAKE WHATEVER YOU HAVE.
GRAVEL IS PREEXISTING, SO IT CAN REMAIN, BUT THE USE, UM, REQUIRES NEW PARKING, WHICH NEEDS TO BE PAVED, WHICH FOR FOUR SPACES IS ABOUT, UM, 18 BY 40.
AND IS THAT IN THE PLANS AS PRESENTED? UM, I
I CAN'T AS THE ATTORNEY, NOT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR SURE.
OR THE ENGINEER
WE DID NOT, WHEN WE SUBMITTED, UM, HAVE ANY SORT OF PAVEMENT IN THE DRIVEWAY.
CAN YOU REPEAT THAT FOR ME? I'M SORRY.
SO AS THE PLANS AS SUBMITTED, UM, FROM WHEN WE FIRST SUBMITTED TO ENGINEERING BUILDING, UH, WENT TO THE ZONING BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
WE, IT THE, THE INTENT HAS BEEN TO MAINTAIN THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY AS NOT TO CREATE ANY ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, ANY NEW IMPERVIOUS.
BUT IF, IF THE PREEXISTING USE IS BEING IMPACTED, DOES THAT IMPACT THE PREEXISTING USE? WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, BUT THEY HAVE SEEN THIS PROJECT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND DID NOT INDICATE OTHERWISE.
SO I THINK WE'D LIKE TO TAKE A VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE REC, THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH NOVEMBER 12TH.
SO WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE TOWN BUREAU OF ENGINEERING AND WE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE AS WELL.
WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE BOARD IN A TIMELY FASHION.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WE'LL BE MOVING BACK DOWN FOR OUR NEW BUSINESS, EVERYBODY.
AND WE'RE GONNA START WITH OUR NEW BUSINESS AND IT'S CASE NUMBER TB 25 0 9 METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB, LOCATED AT TWO EIGHTY NINE DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
AND THIS IS A TOWN BOARD AMENDED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UH, FOR THE BUILDING OF A EMPLOYEE.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M A PARTNER IN THE LAW FIRM OF DELBELLO DANNEL AND WEINGARTEN WISE AND WHITAKER.
IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING REPRESENTING METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB IN CONNECTION WITH ITS REQUEST FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN, SPECIAL PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVALS TO PERMIT THE REPLACEMENT AND UPGRADING OF THE EMPLOYEE HOUSING LOCATING AT THE CLUB AT TWO EIGHTY NINE DOBS FURRY ROAD, GREENBURG, NEW YORK.
IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M NOT ONLY THE ATTORNEY, BUT I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE CLUB FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS.
AND, UH, SO WHEN I SAY WE, I DO MEAN WE, IT'S ALSO I'M PART OF THAT.
SO, UH, I, UM, WE APPEAR BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING SEEKING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THE MENTION PERMITS, WHICH ARE WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE TOWN BOARD IN WHICH HAVE BEEN REFERRED TO YOU FOR REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION.
WE ALSO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOUR BOARD ON THE TWO MINOR VARIANCES WHICH ARE REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT.
I'M JOINED TONIGHT BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE CLUB IN THE FIRST ROW, ANDY NATHAN.
AND YOU'LL HEAR IN A MOMENT FROM ZACH PEARSON OF INSIGHT
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ENGINEERING WHO'S WORKED ON OUR PLANS.YOU MAY RECALL THAT WE CAME TO YOU A WHILE BACK, A FEW YEARS BACK THAT WE TOLD YOU THAT WE HAD A PLAN FOR THE CLUB IN WHICH WE WERE INTENDING TO SELL FIVE EXCESS ACRES AT THE FRONT OF THE CLUB, UH, BY OUR ENTRANCE ON DOPPS FERRY ROAD.
UH, AND WE SOLD THAT PROPERTY FOR PURPOSE.
AND THE PURPOSE WAS THAT WE SOUGHT TO CONSTRUCT CERTAIN CAPITAL PROJECTS AT THE CLUB AND WE NEEDED TO FUND THEM THE FIRST SUCH.
AND THE, THE OTHER MAIN ONE WAS THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM, WHICH WAS ANTIQUATED.
WE'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT AND WE'RE IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE AND USING A LOT LESS WATER AND BEING MUCH MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY EFFICIENT.
AND, UH, THAT'S BEEN GREAT FOR US.
AND THE NEXT PIECE OF THIS THAT WE HAD TALKED TO YOU ABOUT WAS ANTIQUATED EMPLOYEE OR STAFF HOUSING.
IT'S MOSTLY USED FOR OUR SEASONAL EMPLOYEES WHO COME JOIN US FOR A FEW MONTHS IN THE SUMMER.
MANY FROM OVERSEAS, IN FACT, WHO UTILIZE IT FOR, UH, TO, TO LIVE DURING THE SUMMER WHILE THEY'RE HERE AND ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE.
THERE'S A HANDFUL, I THINK THIS YEAR IT WAS FOUR PEOPLE THAT USE THAT ARE THERE ON THE PROPERTY ALL YEAR ROUND SO THAT WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE THERE ALL YEAR ROUND.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT'S JUST A SEASONAL THING AND IT IS A WAY THAT WE ATTRACT PEOPLE TO COME TO THE CLUB BY OFFERING THIS AS PART OF THE EXPERIENCE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, AND YOU'LL SEE SOME PICTURES LATER, IT'S REALLY FALLEN INTO DISREPAIR AND IT'S HARMING US IN TRYING TO ATTRACT STAFF.
AND FRANKLY, OUR EMPLOYEES, UH, ARE ENTITLED TO A BETTER WORK EXPERIENCE, UH, AND, AND, AND SUMMER EXPERIENCE FROM US.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU AND SEEK TO DO IT.
WE LOOK TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING TWO BUILDINGS AND REPLACE IT WITH ONE NEW BUILDING IN THE SAME LOCATION, WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF BEDS PROVIDED 36, A SLIGHTLY SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW BECAUSE OF THE, UH, COMING INTO ONE BUILDING SLIGHTLY LESS IN HEIGHT THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.
ALTHOUGH WE'LL MENTION A LITTLE BIT LATER.
IT STILL REQUIRES A VARIANCE BECAUSE THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING REQUIRES A VARIANCE, BUT IT IS LOWER IN HEIGHT THAN THE EXISTING BUILDING.
WE ARE ALSO SLIGHTLY FARTHER AWAY FROM THE LOT LINE, BUT THAT TOO IS NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE IT'S EXISTING NON-CONFORMING.
AND SO THEREFORE WE ARE AGAIN ASKING FOR A VARIANCE EVEN THOUGH WE ARE WITH THIS FARTHER AWAY FROM THE LOT LINE WITH THE R.
AND THOSE ARE THE TWO VARIANCES THAT I MENTIONED.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE A SMALL REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SERVICE SURFACE AS, AS A, UH, AGAIN, WHICH COMES FROM THIS PROJECT.
AND, UM, ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT I'VE MENTIONED TO YOU, EVEN THOUGH SLIGHT ARE REDUCTIONS IN IMPACTS, WE ARE NOT INCREASING, UH, IN, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE A DA COMPLIANT, HAS ACCESS, HAS A DA PARKING SPACES.
SO FROM OUR STANDPOINT, ALL FOR THE BETTER.
COUPLE OF MINOR THINGS TO MENTION FOR THE RECORD BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
THIS IS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER BECAUSE IT IS A REPLACEMENT AND RECONSTRUCTION OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THE SAME SITE.
AND THEREFORE NO FURTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW WITH RESPECT TO ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE DO AT OUR CLUB, UH, IS REQUIRED FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
AND ALSO AS DETAILED, UH, IN OUR SUBMISSION, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, A SPECIAL PERMIT.
EVERYTHING WE DO REQUIRES THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
IT'S THE SAME HERE WE HAVE AND HAVE LISTED OUT ALL OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT CONDITIONS IN OUR SUBMISSION TO YOU.
I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM AND BORE YOU WITH IT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
BUT WE HAVE, UH, GONE THROUGH THEM AND SUGGESTED THAT WE COMPLY WITH ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THAT'S THE BASIC INTRODUCTION.
I'M GONNA ASK ZACH TO COME UP AND JUST SHOW YOU THE PLAN AND WALK THROUGH IT WITH YOU.
AND OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HAPPY TO TRY AND ANSWER THEM.
AARON, CAN YOU SEE ME ON THE ZOOM? DO YOU HAVE A PRE SLIDESHOW OR JUST A, JUST A PLUG? I HAVE, I MEAN, IT SAYS I'M SITTING HERE JUST I THINK IT WAS A ISSUE AND I, I HAVE THE PLAN SET FROM YOUR OFFICE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT.
YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ABLE TO.
SORRY ABOUT, I'M JUST SPINNING.
I SENT YOU THE UPDATED LINK, ZACH, UH, VIA EMAIL.
I'LL KEEP AN EYE ON, ON MY EMAIL AS THIS COMES THROUGH.
SO, UH, ZACH PEARSON WITH INSIDE ENGINEERING, UM, AS MARK HAD MENTIONED, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN HERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE TWO, TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS.
ONE TWO STORY, ONE, ONE STORY.
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SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THOSE TWO BUILDINGS IS 3,600 SQUARE FEET.UM, THOSE TWO BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED TO BE DEMOLISHED ALONG WITH SOME OF THE WALKWAYS AND CONNECTING, UM, PATHWAYS BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.
UM, THE EXISTING SETBACK OR THE EXISTING BUILDING TO THE EAST IS ONLY 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE THE NEW BUILDING 19 FEET AWAY.
UM, IF YOU WANT TO SCROLL TO THE NEXT PAGE, I THINK WE'LL GO TO, YEAH, THERE WE GO.
SO, UH, ONE BUILDING GOES BACK, TWO STORY BUILDING, UM, SCREENING BETWEEN THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND THE PROPERTY PROPERTY LINE TO THE NORTH, UM, 88 PARKING SPACES.
UH, THAT THIS STRUCTURE IS 2,600 SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY.
SO AS MARK HAD MENTIONED, A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET REDUCTION IN, UH, BUILDING.
UM, IMPERVIOUS ALSO IS PRODUCED BY 630 SQUARE FEET, UM, ON THE SITE WITH THIS IMPROVEMENTS, AGAIN, MOVE, REMOVING THE ONE BUILDING AND, AND COMBINING IT INTO ONE.
UM, IF YOU GO TO THE, THE NEXT SHEET, UTILITIES WERE CONNECTING TO EXISTING WATER, EXISTING SEWER ON, ON SITE.
UM, DRAINAGE WILL BE COLLECTED FROM THE ROOF DRAINS FROM THE BUILDING PIPED TO THE EAST, UM, TO A POINT WHERE IT WOULD LEVEL SPREAD AND FLOW ACROSS THE, THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, AT THAT POINT, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THE PRO WITH THIS, WITH THIS, WHICH IS A OVERALL BENEFIT TO STORM WATER.
UM, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER, IF I MAY MM-HMM
UM, ONE OF OUR MEMBERS WHO ISN'T HERE THIS EVENING JUST ASKED A, A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IN CONNECTION WITH THE DEMOLITION AND CONSTRUCTION OF THIS STAFF HOUSING IS IN ANTICIPATED THAT ANY, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY DURING THE COURSE OF CONSTRUCTION, THERE'S A LARGE RAIN EVENT.
IS ANY OF THIS DRAINING DOWN TOWARDS THE MAIN ACCESS ROAD AND OUT TOWARDS THE, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, SO THIS, THIS ENDS UP TO THE EAST OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CONTOURS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN UP THERE, THE CONTOURS ARE GOING FROM FROM PAGE LEFT TO PAGE RIGHT, WHICH IS WEST TO EAST.
THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE CLUB IS OFF OF THE PAGE TO THE WEST.
SO IT'LL BE CONFINED TO THIS AREA, THE SIDE, CORRECT, YES.
YEAH, THERE'S NO IMPROVEMENTS TO OVER NEAR THE, THE ENTRANCE AND WHERE THIS PARKING LOT CONNECTS TO THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN, UM, MY SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS WITH RESPECT TO THE LEVEL SPREADER THAT GOING OUT, UH, OR DRAINING OUT INTO LIKE, YOU KNOW, A FAIRWAY AREA, ROUGH, A WOODED AREA, WOODED, SLIGHTLY WOODED, BUT MORE KIND OF A ROUGH AREA THAT KIND OF MAKES ITS WAY BACK TOWARDS THE 11 FAIRWAY.
SO IT, THE, THE SLOPE IN THAT AREA PITCHES BACK IN TOWARDS THE COURSE YES.
OUT TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, YES.
IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO PUT ANY SORT OF VEGETATION AROUND THAT, UH, LEVEL SPREADER, EVEN IF IT WAS LIKE, UM, TO, TO WHAT? HIDE IT VISUALLY? UM, OR I MEAN ABOUT EROSION THAT BUT ALSO TO LIKE HELP STABILIZE THE AREA AROUND IT.
I MEAN, WE COULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT.
I MEAN, TURF, TURF, WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF GOLF COURSE PROJECTS, RIGHT? LIKE, AND TURF IS A VERY RECEPTIVE THING FOR EROSION, ESPECIALLY DURING CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, TURF WILL ALONG, I MEAN WITH THE APPROPRIATE EROSION CONTROLS, TURF IS A VERY GOOD, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY ON FLATTER SLOPES, WHICH YOU CAN SEE THERE.
BUT YEAH, IT'S, WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO SOME ADDITIONAL VEGETATION JUST BEYOND THAT LEVEL.
SPREADER, I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE OKAY.
AND, UM, THE SIZING OF THE SYSTEM IS ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT TYPE OF STORM EVENT OR WHAT SIZE STORM EVENT? YEAH.
CONSISTENT WITH TOWN STANDARD 25.
AND AGAIN, IT'S A SMALL SYSTEM, JUST ROOF DRAINS REALLY, THERE'S NOT MUCH ELSE GOING ON.
THERE IS THERE AN EXISTING SYSTEM OUT THERE? THERE IS NOT.
THERE'S NOTHING OUT THERE BUT THE, ON THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
ANYTHING ELSE IN CONNECTION WITH THE PLANS? UH, NO.
I THINK THAT I, I, I AM IN THE MEETING NOW.
I, I THINK, WHICH I THINK JUST TO, YEAH.
GIVE, YEAH, GIVE US SOME REFERENCE.
AND I HAD ANN KLINE SEND ME THE, UH, PHOTOS AS WELL.
SO LEMME, SO THIS IS JUST A, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE EXISTING TWO STORY BUILDING, WHICH IS THE, THE ONE TO THE WEST OF THE TWO.
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STORY BUILDING AGAIN, EXISTING FENCE.AND THERE YOU GOTTA GET A PICTURE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, VEGETATION WISE AREA.
AND IT'S KIND OF JUST, THERE'S SOME TREES AND IT KIND OF GRADES BACK TOWARDS THE GOLF COURSE.
UM, AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER PICTURE OF WHAT'S KIND OF GOING ON AROUND THE BUILDINGS.
AND THEN IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A FEW RENDERINGS TO SHOW YOU GUYS DID THAT.
I THINK I HAVE TO UNSHARE RIGHT.
WHERE IS, WHERE IS THE PARKING IN THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING PARKING IS JUST TO THE WEST OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
AND HOW MANY, THAT'S TWO SPACES FOR THE EXISTING PARKING.
HOW MUCH? WE SHOWED TWO EX, TWO HANDICAP SPACES.
AND THE REST IS JUST GONNA PARK AS THEY PARK.
NOW HOW MANY SPACES IS THAT? I DON'T RECALL.
HOW MANY SPACES ARE THERE? DOES, DOES THE STAFF, DO THEY DRIVE? YEAH.
I DON'T THINK IT'S DEFINED WITH STRIPING.
IT'S NOT, THAT'S WHY I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THAT'S UP THAT NARROW ROAD.
SO, SO IT LOOKS LIKE A STRIP THAT COMES, LIKE THEY, NO, THERE'S NO CONNECTION.
THERE'S NO CONNECTION FROM THE, THE, THE VEHICULAR COLLECT CONNECTION TO THIS BUILDING IS OFF OF THE MAIN ACCESS DRIVE TO THE CLUB.
THERE'S NO EXTERNAL CONNECTION TO A ROAD OTHER THAN THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE CLUB.
SO WHEN YOU COME INTO THE CLUB, YOU COME UP THE HILL AND AS, AND YOU WEST, YOU MAKE A LEFT AND YOU GO DOWN.
I'LL, I'LL SHOW YOU ON GOOGLE.
I CAN'T, THE ASSUMPTION ON MY PART, THEY HAVE CARS AND GOLF CARTS.
SO THE STAFF GOLF, GOLF CARTS ARE NOT THERE.
GOLF CARTS OR ANOTHER PARTY, ANOTHER PART.
SO THE STAFF WOULDN'T GET OKAY.
BUT WOULD A STAFF MEMBER TAKE A GOLF CART TO THAT LOCATION OR TO THE STAFF HOUSING, I THINK IS THE QUESTION.
THEY, THEY COULD, BUT IT'S, IT'S A THREE MINUTE WALK.
CAN YOU GO TO THE MIC TO SPEAK? INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
FIRST OF ALL, THE, UH, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE STAYING IN THERE ARE THE STAFF WHO DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO GOLF CARTS AREN'T GENERALLY USING GOLF CARTS.
IF THERE ARE CADDIES THAT WERE THERE, THEY COULD OCCASIONALLY MAYBE GRAB A GOLF CART, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE EITHER.
THOSE ARE GENERALLY USED FOR THE GOLF, FOR THE GOLF FACILITY, WHICH IS OFTEN ANOTHER PART OF THE CLUB.
AND, AND, AND IT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S USED FOR.
WHAT THIS IS USED FOR IS THE EMPLOYEE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSING.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSING, FRANKLY, THE INTERNS THAT COME, THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE CARS.
SO WHAT IT'S REALLY USED FOR IS FOR THE STAFF THAT COME, UH, COMMUTE TO THE CLUB AND WE SEPARATE OUT, WE HAVE A FULL PARKING LOT FOR MEMBERSHIP AND THEN THERE'S STAFF PARKING DOWN ON THAT SIDE.
AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE AND IT'S NEVER, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.
BUT IT'S, IT HAS PROBABLY ABOUT 20 SPOTS THAT ARE THERE AND THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA CONTINUE.
SOMETIMES SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE VEHICLES ON GOLF COURSES LOOK LIKE MODIFIED CARTS.
AND IN THE PAST, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THAT COULD HAVE GONE ON.
'CAUSE OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY WAS THERE.
OUR MAINTENANCE FACILITY IS NOW FAR AWAY ON THE FARTHEST PART OF THE COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE MOVED IT, WE TOOK IT DOWN SO THAT WE COULD SELL THE PROPERTY AND REBUILT IT BETWEEN OUR 13TH AND 14TH HALLS.
IT'S NOW QUITE A DISTANCE AWAY.
SO THOSE, THOSE CARTS AND ALL OF THAT IS NO LONGER ON THIS SIDE OF THE CLUB.
IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GOLF COURSE FAR AWAY FROM THIS, THIS AREA.
SO THE QUESTION TO THAT, THEN, WHY YOU NEED THE PARKING SPACES AND THE ACCESSOR? I I'M SORRY.
WHY, WHY IS IF, IF THERE IS, NOBODY'S DRIVING THE WE NO, NO.
WE NEED IT NOT FOR THE PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THE OR OR, OR, OR RESIDING IN THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE BUILDING HERE FOR THE, FOR THE STAFF.
WE NEED IT FOR THE CADDIES OR THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE KITCHEN.
THE PEOPLE THAT DO IN FACT DRIVE TO THE CLUB.
THAT'S THE EMPLOYEE PARKING LOT.
SO IT'S A BUT IT'S NOT TYPICALLY THE PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE IN THE HO THE, THE RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE BUILDING HERE, NOT MANY OF THEM HAVE CARS.
SO THIS IS EMPLOYEE PARKING, CORRECT.
AND IF, IF SOMEBODY WHO'S LIVING THERE HAS A CAR, THEY ALSO CAN PARK IN THAT LOT.
AND THE TWO HANDICAPPED PARKING IS SUFFICIENT FOR THAT? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT, YES.
SO THE, AND, AND WE JUST SO WE, SO IT'S CLEAR WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY STAFF.
WE'RE NOT ADDING, THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME NUMBER OF BEDS.
WE'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
AND NOW WE ARE ADDING THE A DA, WHICH WE'VE NEVER HAD.
SO IT'S ALL, AS I SAID EARLIER, THE NICE PART OF THIS IS EVERY PIECE OF THIS IS BEING IMPROVED.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS COMPARED TO THE EXISTING CONDITION.
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THE, THE, THE QUESTION BEHIND IT IS THAT IF YOU HAVE HANDICAP PARKING, USUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO THE, TO THE HANDICAP TO GET TO THAT PARKING, TO THE HANDICAPPED PARKING.SO IF YOU CAN SHOW THE ROUTE OF HANDICAPPED PARKING.
PARKING, I CAN, WE PROVIDED THE ACCESSIBLE ROUTE FROM THOSE SPACES INTO THE BUILDING.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUILDING AS I UNDERSTAND.
THEREFORE THE STAFF PARKING, WELL THEY'RE FOR STAFF PARKING, BUT THEY'RE ALSO FOR BUILDING CODE.
THE BUILDING IS GOING, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE TO HAVE, IT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AADA A PARKING SPACES WITH IT AND B, AADA A ACCESSIBLE AND, AND BE AADA A ACCESSIBLE, SO A DA SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE X NUMBER OF SPACES AND YOU NEED TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING.
SO I CAN, I CAN SHOW YOU THE ACCESS ROUTE, BUT SO BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING, I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET UNDERSTAND THE, YOU HAVE PROVIDED HANDICAP PARKING.
USUALLY HANDICAP PARKING IS PROVIDED FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE USING IT.
EITHER THEY'RE IN THE BUILDING RIGHT THERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO THAT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT CLEAR, YOU UNDERSTAND? YEAH.
THE TWO SPACES, YOU'RE CORRECT.
THEY'RE PUT IN BECAUSE OF CODE FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING, AND WE DO HAVE AN ACCESS POINT FROM THIS BUILDING.
WE ALSO HAVE HANDICAP SPACES IN THE MEMBERS LOT, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST AREA TO THE, UH, WHERE THE CLUB AND THE CLUBHOUSE IS, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE.
AND SO IT'S, SO YOU'RE AWARE WE HAVE A SHUTTLE BECAUSE OUR PARKING IS NOT CLOSE BY AND IT'S UPHILL.
WE HAVE A SHUTTLE THAT RUNS ALL THE TIME BACK AND FORTH FROM THE CLUBHOUSE TO THE PARKING LOT TO BE ABLE TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE UP TO THE SITE.
SO NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU WERE HANDICAPPED, EVEN IF OUR HANDICAPPED SPACES ARE FULL, THERE'S A SHUTTLE SERVICE THAT TAKES YOU TO THE CLUB TO THE RAMP TO ALLOW YOU TO COME IN.
BUT YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOUT WHO ARE THE USER OF THAT HANDICAPPED PARKING.
HONESTLY, IN THAT OVER HERE, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S GONNA USE THOSE.
BUT WE'RE, BUT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THEM.
THAT'S THE HONEST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
WE WE'RE PUTTING 'EM IN BECAUSE WE'RE REQUIRED TO.
IT'S BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE CODE REQUIRES FOR THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THIS, THESE ARE JUST A COUPLE, UH, RENDERINGS THAT WE PROVIDED.
JUST AGAIN, NOT ON THE SITE, BUT JUST IS KIND OF WHAT THE FIELD OF THE ONE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE WITH ACCESS POINTS THOSE GO THROUGH.
WHILE YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CLUB AND ITS NEAREST NEIGHBORS AT ALL? I KNOW THERE WAS GOOD, GOOD RELATION OR GOOD COMMUNICATION ANYWAY IN CONNECTION WITH THE BRIGHTVIEW PROJECT TO SOME OF THE SERINO FOLKS.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAD BEEN COMMUNICATED WITH OR, UH, WERE ALREADY AWARE OF THE PROJECT.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT, I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION.
I WILL TELL YOU THE CLOSEST HOME, THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT TO THE EAST, I GUESS OF THE HOUSING IS, IS OWNED BY A MEMBER.
AND IN FACT WAS THE PER WAS THE FAMILY THAT DEVELOPED THE 15 HOMES THAT ARE THERE NOW.
'CAUSE THEY, THEY WOUND UP, THEY BOUGHT THAT AREA AND BOUGHT, BUILT THOSE NEW HOMES THAT ARE THERE TO THE EAST THAT WERE BUILT.
AND THE, UH, PERSON WHO BUILT THEM OWNS AND LIVES IN THAT FIRST HOME.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONES ARE THERE TOO.
SO I, WE CERTAINLY HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OBJECTION OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
SO, NO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE NECESSARILY, I DON'T THINK WE'VE NECESSARILY COMMUNICATED, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY OBJECTION THAT WE'D BE AWARE OF.
FRANKLY, AT LEAST FROM MY STANDPOINT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE, THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME IT'LL TAKE FOR THE DEMOLITION.
AND THIS, WE ARE MODULAR HERE, SO SHOULD BE A QUICK CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, SO TO SPEAK, TO PUT IT IN PLAY.
THIS IS A, UM, IT'S TAKING AN EYESORE AND IT'S GONNA MAKE IT LOOK MUCH NICER.
THIS IS GONNA BE, THIS IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT TO THE AREA, PARTICULARLY FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT.
UH, IT WOULD BE HARD TO IMAGINE IS AN OBJECTION BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME USE, IT'S THE SAME NUMBER OF BEDS.
THE ONLY CHANGE THAT'S BEING IMPROVED.
UM, IS THAT, IS THAT THE CORRECT SITE PLAN? YES.
BECAUSE THEN THE BUILDING THAT'S, UH, THE RED ONE, IF THAT'S THE ONE, THE RED ONE IS THE ROUGH LOCATION IN THE STAFF REPORT.
SO SHOW I CAN SHARE THIS WITH YOU.
DO YOU MEAN? YEAH, THEY LOOK LIKE MUCH CLOSER TO THIS HOUSE.
WE'LL, WE'LL SHOW IT TO, YEAH.
SHOW WE'LL PULL, WE'LL BRING UP THE LAWYERS.
IF YOU CAN CLARIFY THE LOCATION AND IT LOOKS LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S ALSO ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE LOTS ON SKI ORINO, BUT ALSO TO THE NEWER SUBDIVISION.
THERE MIGHT BE ONE DOWN THE HILL, BUT THERE'S SO MUCH, UH, RIGHT.
THERE'S SO MUCH, UH, COVERAGE THERE.
THAT TREE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IT'S VISIBLE.
SO HERE'S, HERE'S THE MANAGERS OF THE CLUB AS WE SPOKE ABOUT BEFORE.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE EXISTING PARKING
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AREA RIGHT HERE.THIS IS THE EXISTING TWO STORY BUILDING.
AND THEN THE EXISTING ONE STORY BUILDING IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
SO WE'RE PUTTING, WE'RE PUTTING THE BUILDING EFFECTIVELY KIND OF RIGHT WHERE THE HAND IS.
MY CONFUSION IS THAT DOESN'T MATCH WITH THIS.
SO THE, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, SO THERE'S NO CUL-DE-SAC THERE HERE, RIGHT ON.
NO, THE, SO THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC AT SKEW.
OH, SO THIS ONE, THIS RIGHT HERE.
'CAUSE THERE ARE TWO CULDESAC PLACE, WHICH IS ONE.
SO WHAT IS THE NANCY PLACE? SO, UM, THE OTHER ONE TO THE RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE SEWING NANCY PLACE IS JUST OFF THE STAFF REPORT UP ON THE UPPER RIGHT.
SO WHAT IS THAT STREET? IS THE, THE ONE THAT'S, THAT SHOWS THAT IN THIS DRAWING.
LOOKING AT, SO I'M GONNA, I'LL EXPLAIN IT.
THEY, THEY CAN EXPLAIN TO THAT.
WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T WHAT YOU, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? IS THAT THIS AND THIS ARE CLOSE.
BUT THE WAY THEY'RE SHOWING IT IS THE, THE CUL-DE-SAC THERE, ORTHO IT OR NORTH BASED OF IT STAFF REPORTS A RIGHT WHERE WE ROUGHLY IN APPROXIMATE LOCATION.
AND YOU, HE'S JUST SAYING IT SEEMS APPROXIMATE AT THIS MOMENT MONTHS OR TINA VERSUS THE NANCY PLACE, WHICH IS SET BACK.
IT COULD BE, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE, FROM WHERE I SEE IT AT THE CLUB WHERE WE, WHERE YOU STAY, WE DON'T SEE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, BUT IT'S NOTHING BUT TREES BEHIND.
I'M JUST TRYING TO RECONCILE THE AREA VIEW WITH THE YEAH.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, SCREENING BETWEEN THE NEW BUILDING AND THAT PROPERTY AS WELL, IN ADDITION TO THE TREES THAT ARE GONNA STAY.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT FACILITIES ARE INSIDE THAT BUILDING OTHER THAN JUST BEDROOMS? YEAH.
I'M ANDY NATHAN, PRESIDENT OF METROPOLIS.
UH, SO THE BUILDING WILL HAVE, UM, HAVE, UM, UH, BEDROOMS, SINGLE AND DOUBLE.
IT WILL HAVE COMMON ROOM ON BOTH THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR.
A DA ACCESSIBLE ROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
LAUNDRY ROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UH, UH, BATHROOM FACILITIES ON BOTH FLOORS.
UH, AND A, UH, AND THE COMMON ROOMS WILL HAVE, UM, MICROWAVES AND, AND YOU KNOW, INABILITY TO HEAT UP SOME FOOD.
ALTHOUGH WE PROVIDE MEALS AT THE CLUB FOR OUR MEMBER, FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.
BUT, BUT THEY CAN HEAT UP THINGS.
IS THE BUILDING SPRINKLED? YEAH, IT WILL BE.
AND JUST GOING BACK TO THE, UH, VARIANCES.
ARE THERE JUST TWO OR THREE? THERE'S JUST TWO.
SO I, I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT.
UM, IT WAS MENTIONED TO VARIANCES, OUR STAFF REPORT.
AND THEN I DID REFER BACK TO THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO FROM JULY 31ST, 2025.
IF I CAN GO THROUGH THAT AND I CAN SHARE THIS COPY WITH YOU IF YOU NEED IT.
UM, I'LL JUST READ THROUGH THIS BRIEFLY.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION.
UM, METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB IS A PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING GOLF COURSE CONTAINING TWO PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING ACCESSORY BUILDINGS USED FOR STAFF HOUSING.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DEMOLISH THESE BUILDINGS AND CONSTRUCT A NEW 36 BED STAFF HOUSING BUILDING SINGULAR WITH ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKING LOT.
AND SURROUNDING SITE, THIS NEW BUILDING IS REQUIRED TO BE FULLY SPRINKLER.
WE'VE TOUCHED ON THAT AND HAVE AN INTERCONNECTED FIRE ALARM SYSTEM CONNECTED TO A CENTRAL STATION UNDER TOWN CODE.
THE FOLLOWING VARIANCES WILL BE REQUIRED FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, UH, FROM SECTION 2 85, 39 B FOUR, HEIGHT OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM 12 FEET PERMITTED TO 20.6 FEET.
SIX SIX FEET PROPOSED FROM SECTION 2 85 DASH 42 C FOUR.
UH, THE DESCRIPTION STATES, IF ANY BUILDING IN WHICH ANY NON-CONFORMING USE IS CONDUCTED OR MAINTAINED IS HEREAFTER REMOVED.
THE SUBSEQUENT USE OF THE LAND ON WHICH SUCH BUILDING WAS LOCATE LOCATED AND THE SUBSEQUENT LOCATION AND USE OF ANY BUILDING THEREON SHALL BE IN CONFORMITY TO THE REGULATIONS SPECIFIED BY THIS CHAPTER FOR THE DISTRICT IN WHICH SUCH LAND IS LOCATED.
AND UM, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THE SPLIT R 15.
WELL THIS WAS, DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE? I HAVE AN UPDATED ONE FROM SEPTEMBER 9TH, ONLY TWO VARIANTS.
AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOW GOING, THEY REQUIRED THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
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OKAY.WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID IT, IT DID NOT, THEY DID NOT THINK WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
THEY MADE US GO BACK TO SAY, NO, NO, THIS IS REQUIRING YOU TO AMEND YOUR SPECIAL PERMIT.
WHEN WE DID THAT, THIS IS UPDATED IN SEPTEMBER AND THERE'S ONLY TWO VARIANCES REQUIRED.
CAN I RECITE THIS TO THE BOARD? YES.
I WAS NOT PROVIDED WITH A COPY.
SO THERE WAS AN UPDATE ISSUED SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025.
AND AS MR. WEINGARTEN INDICATED, TWO UH, VARIANCES REQUIRED, ONE FOR THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM 12 FEET PERMITTED TO 20.66 FEET, UH, PROPOSED.
AND FROM SECTION 2 85, 10, A TWO A TWO MINIMUM SETBACK FROM BUILDING TO ANY STREET OR LOT LINE PERMITTED OR REQUIRED.
200 FEET PROPOSED 18 FEET TO THAT SIDE PROPERTY LINE AS MR. WEINGARTEN INDICATED, WHICH IS AN INCREASE OVER THE EXISTING CONDITION OF THE STAFF HOUSING.
SO THE SECOND ONE IN, IN LIZ'S JULY 31 MEMO IS NOT NECESSARY ANYMORE.
THAT, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S BECAUSE THEY, THEN THEY HAD, WHEN WE BEGAN, WE WERE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT.
IT WAS THEN DETERMINED THAT WE DID, AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, THAT WAS NO LONGER IMPLICATED.
AND THE 20.66, THAT'S LOWER THAN THE CURRENT HEIGHT.
SO THERE BUILDING HEIGHT IS MEASURED OFF OF AVERAGE GRADE AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO THE, THE, THE PHYSICAL BUILDING HEIGHT WILL BE SLIGHTLY TALLER THAN WHAT'S OUT THERE NOW, IF, IF JUST PHYSICAL BUILDING.
BUT THE, THE, THE PEAK OF THE ROOF WILL BE LOWER BASED ON THE AVERAGE GRADE SET THAT THE BUILDING IS SET AT.
THE SECOND VARIANCE WAS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.
AND IT'S NOW REVISED TO THE TWO.
SO THAT ONE DOESN'T, THAT'S ELIMINATED AS WELL.
WHAT WAS WHY IF MAY ASK JUST SO I WOULD HAVE TO SEPTEMBER 18TH.
SO, UM, THERE'S A FURTHER ONE UPDATED SEPTEMBER 18TH THAT SAYS THE APPLICANT HAS THAT.
CAN YOU RECITE THAT? UM, SURE.
DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE HEIGHT? ARE WE ABLE TO LOOK FURTHER? ARE WE ABLE TO PUT IT ON THE SCREEN IN ANY WAY? SURE.
YEAH, BUT IT JUST HAD TO DO WITH THE CLARIFICATION.
HOW I, I THINK THE CHANGE, THE CHANGE IN THE 18TH IF I'M CORRECT, WHAT HAD TO DO WITH THE, WHAT ZACH WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT WAS THE HEIGHT AND BECAUSE OF THE AVERAGE GRADE WAS CALCULATED INCORRECTLY, IT WAS IN, IT WAS RECALCULATED SO THAT WE HAD THE WRITE DOWN.
SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S THE CHANGE BETWEEN THE ONE YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED THE NEW ONE SEPTEMBER 18TH, THAT THAT'S THE SPECIAL USE.
RIGHT? NO, BUT JULY 31ST SAYS ABOUT THE 75%.
SO, SO WE'LL LET'S WE CAN BUILD RIGHT.
SO THE ORIGINAL JULY 31ST MEMO STATES, AND WE CAN TOUCH BASE WITH, WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, BUT, UH, IT INDICATES THAT A VARIANCE WOULD, WOULD BE REQUIRED FROM SECTION 2 85, 42 C FIVE, WHICH STATES ANY NON-CONFORMING BUILDING OR STRUCTURE IF DAMAGED OR DESTROYED FROM ANY CAUSE OF OVER 75% SHALL NOT BE REBUILT OR RESTORED FOR THE CONTINUANCE OF A NON-CONFORMING USE THEREIN.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IT BEING IN AN OUR DISTRICT SINGLE FAMILY, UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY STAFF HOUSING FOR A GOLF CLUB.
I THINK THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ELIMINATED BY VIRTUE OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO WITH THE NEED FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT, IT ELIMINATES THAT REQUIREMENT FOR THE VARIANCE 'CAUSE IT'S COVERED ON THE SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA.
WE SHOULD SORT OF GET A FINAL READING FROM THE THESE ABOUT THE WELL YOU ACTUALLY DO.
THAT'S THERE, THAT'S NOT MY MEMO.
THAT'S, AND I DO THINK I, FOR, AS IT WAS EXPLAINED TO US, WHEN WE WERE PROCEEDING WITHOUT THE SPECIAL PERMIT, WE WERE GOING IN THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE AND THERE IS A REQUIREMENT HAVING TO DO WITH A NON-CONFORMITY, WHICH IS THEN DEMOLISHED AND BEING REPLACED.
AND BECAUSE WE ARE GOING UNDER OUR SPECIAL PERMIT AS A COUNTRY CLUB, AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, AN ACCESSORY USE, A PERMITTED USE OF A COUNTRY CLUB, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE
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STAFF HOUSING ON YOUR CLUB.THAT REQUIREMENT NO LONGER, UH, WAS NO LONGER IMPLICATED.
AND THEREFORE WE DON'T NEED A VARIANCE FROM IT.
BUT AGAIN, WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT CHANGE.
THE TOWN MADE THAT CHANGE AND SAID YOU ONLY NEED THE TWO VARIANCES, NOT THREE.
WHAT DOES SEASONAL MEAN? WHAT IS TO THE SEASONAL EMPLOYEES? FOR WHAT I YEAH, I I KNOW IT'S SEASONAL, BUT WHAT IS THE SEASON FOR IN TERMS OF THEY CAN'T STAY THERE 12 MONTHS OF THE YEAR? YEAH.
THE, THE SEASONAL EMPLOYEES ARRIVE A WEEK ON EITHER SIDE OF MOTHER'S DAY, SO, OR LATE APRIL, EARLY MAY MM-HMM
UH, AND THEY LEAVE BETWEEN OCTOBER 1ST AND OCTOBER 20TH OR SO.
UH, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S 19 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, NOT 18 AS PREVIOUSLY? CORRECT.
UH, WOULD THAT, UH, ALSO THAT BE, UH, MULTIFAMILY OR HOW DOES THAT UH, NOPE, IT'S ACCESSORY TO THE GOLF COURSE.
THERE'S SO MANY, LIKE, SO HABITATION IS A PERMITTED USE FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT COUNTRY CLUB.
AND, UH, DOES IT HAVE TWO MINUTES OF EGRESS UPPER OH, THE, THE BUILDING? YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PLAN YOU CAN SHARE PLAN OF THE FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR BACK SO THERE'S, CAN ALL SEE THE SCREEN? THERE'S AN ENTRY DOOR HERE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THERE'S A WALKWAY THAT COMES ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THERE'S AN ENTRY LEVEL ON THE SECOND TWO, TWO ENT TWO DOORS ON THE FIRST LEVEL.
SO HOW MUCH IS OCCUPANCY ON THE SECOND LEVEL? IT'S A, THIS ONE HERE DOING THIS FROM MEMORY, I BELIEVE THERE ARE, UM, 13 BEDS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND 23 ON THE SECOND.
UH, PLUS OR MINUS ONE OR TWO BECAUSE THAT WILL TRIGGER THE SECOND MEANS OF EGRESS.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S JUST HAVING A STAIR
EXIT STAIR FROM WHICH WHICH MEET THE BUILDING CODE FOR YEAH.
WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO THE ARCHITECTS.
WE, YEAH, WELL WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO ON THE FIRST FLOOR, ONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
BUT THERE IS A STAIR, THERE'S AN INTERIOR.
YOU, YOU HAVE, THERE'S AN INTERIOR STAIR.
IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOU HAVE A PLAN, PULL IT, BE EASY TO, YEAH, SORRY.
THERE, THERE IS AN INTERIOR STAIR ON ONE END THAT CONNECTS SECOND AND FIRST AND ON THE OTHER END YOU'VE GOT AN EXTERIOR STAIR, UH, AS AS WELL.
SO THERE WOULD BE TWO, THERE ARE TWO MEANS OF EGRESS.
AND THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T IDENTIFIED AS A NECESSARY BEARING.
IF YOU CAN SHARE THE ISN'T SHARE THE PLAN, THAT WILL BE HELPFUL.
SO THERE, THERE ARE PLANS IN THE PACKET, RIGHT? IT IT IT'S IN THE PACKET.
IN TERMS OF INTERIOR PLAN, THAT CAN BE SHARED.
OH YOU HAVE, I SAW THE STAIRCASE.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S CLARIFIES LOT THAT WAS IN THE PACKAGE.
BUT IF YOU CAN SHARE WHILE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE OKAY.
THINK, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS APPLICATION? I, I WOULD TAKE THAT THE BASE JUST TO SORT OF LIKE, IT WAS ORIGINALLY, I THINK IT WAS FOUR ACRE, WAS THAT YELLOW, THE LINE THAT SHOWS THE, THE LOT, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH IS, IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY WHAT IS THAT SORT OF SIZE OF THE LOT THAT THIS IS GETTING BUILT? 'CAUSE THERE WAS THIS YELLOW LINE, THERE IS NO LOT NO, THERE'S NO SEPARATED LOT.
IT'S, IT'S ON THE, UM, THIS IS WHAT HE'S ASKING THE PROPERTY ENTIRETY.
IS THAT A SEPARATE LOT THAT, SO WHAT I BELIEVE MR. DESAI IS REFERRING TO IS THE, UH, ATION EASEMENT THREE ACRE CONSERVATION EASEMENT PARCEL THAT WAS CREATED ASSOCIATED WITH THE BRIGHTVIEW METROPOLIS PROJECT.
UH, THE CURRENT STAFF HOUSING IS WITHIN THAT, UH, CONSERVATION EASEMENT
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PARCEL.AND THE PROPOSED STAFF HOUSING, UH, WOULD SIMILARLY BE BE WITHIN THAT PARCEL, UH, AS WAS STATED BY THE APPLICANT, UH, WITHIN A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND HAVING LESS IMPACTS.
SO IT'S IN, IN A SEPARATE, UH, WELL, IT'S WITHIN EASEMENT.
IT'S WITHIN PARCEL FROM THE MAIN, UH, GOLF COURSE.
BUT, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SAME.
IT'S IN AN EASEMENT AREA, BUT IT'S PART OF THE MAIN, IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THE CLUB.
IT'S NOT ITS OWN SEPARATE PARCEL.
AND AS WE SAID, WE ACCEPTED IT FROM THE, WE PERMITTED IT WITHIN THAT AREA BECAUSE WE WERE ALWAYS INTENDING TO HAVE THE EMPLOYEE HOUSING IT WAS THERE AND THAT WE WOULD BE REPLACING IT.
THAT'S WHY WE WERE DOING THE TRANSACTION WITH THAT.
SO, SO, SO MATT, UH, IT IT'S THAT THE ORIGINAL, UH, CONSERVATION EASEMENT ALLOWED TO REBUILD THE NECESSARY, I MEAN REBUILD THE EXISTING, THE EASEMENT, UH, ALLOWSS FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS TO REMAIN AND FOR, UH, REBUILDING AND FOR UPGRADES TO EXISTING FEATURES.
SO YES, IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO DO, UH, IN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO, BUT NOT CAN THEY DO ANY OTHER, UH, BUILDINGS OR IN CONSERVATION? NO.
OR THIS IS REPLACEMENT IN KIND.
AND IT WAS ENVISIONED WHEN THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT AREA WAS, I DON'T REMEMBER.
I WAS THERE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER.
BUT ANYWAY, ANYWAY, PERMITTED OFF THE PROPERTY WAS TO FUND SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS AS WAS STATED IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO ONE OF THEM WAS, YOU KNOW, THE EVENTUAL NEED TO REPLACE THE STAFF HOUSE.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS ON THIS? SO, OKAY, I'M SORRY.
I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THAT AFTER.
UM, WE'RE GONNA DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION UNLESS WE FEEL LIKE THIS NEEDS TO GO TO ANOTHER, UM, WORK SESSION.
SO THERE ARE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS AS MR. WEINGARTEN INDICATED EARLIER THAT, UM, WOULD BE FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER.
ONE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD ON THE TWO AREA IS REQUIRED.
DO YOU HAVE A DATE SET WITH THE ZONING BOARD AS OF YET? WE, WE ARE EXPECTING THE NOVEMBER DATE, ASSUMING THAT WE WOULD GET THE RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU.
WE ARE, WE ARE HOPING TO BE ON THE NEXT BOOK MEETING.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE DATE OF THE NEXT ZONING BOARD MEETING? 19TH OR 20TH? I, I DON'T HAVE, HAVE, I DO THINK ITS THE 20TH.
BUT THE, YOU WOULD ALREADY KNOW IF YOU WERE ON, BECAUSE THERE WOULD'VE BEEN A NOTICING REQUIREMENT.
MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMISSIONER WERE THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ON OKAY.
SO THAT'S THE DAY, THAT'S THE DAY AFTER OUR, OUR NEXT MEETING.
THE DAY AFTER YOU OUR MEETING.
SO JUST FOR THE PLANNING BOARD'S INFORMATION SEPARATELY, THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE REFERRAL AND WE WOULD MAKE THAT ON THE 19TH.
SO STAFF, YOU KNOW, BASED ON TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO DRAFT UP THE TWO SEPARATE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THE 19TH.
ARE THERE ANY SPECIFICS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE ADDED, YOU KNOW, TO EITHER RECOMMENDATION? I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA DRAFT THEM UP AND CIRCULATE, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC, WE'RE HAPPY TO, UH, WE, WE HAVE NOTES, WE HAVE THE RECORD FROM TONIGHT.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE VARIANCE MEMO BEING PUT ON THE SCREEN, BUT I'D, I'D LIKE THAT TO BE DISTRIBUTED SO WE CAN ACTUALLY READ IT BEFORE THE MEETING.
UM, I, I, I, I WOULD MENTION ON THE TIMING, JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE'VE BEEN VERY VIGILANT ABOUT IT IS WE ARE TRYING TO GET IT TO OPEN FOR WHEN THESE PEOPLE SHOW UP AT THE BEGINNING OF MAY.
AND THAT'S WHY UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE IN THIS TIME CRUNCH AND WE'VE BEEN ASKING TO MOVE THROUGH IT.
SO WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU NEED FOR YOU, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT.
BUT WE ARE TRYING, WE'VE SET SOMETHING OUT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER THAT IF, IF EVERYTHING HAS WORKED, WE WOULD BE AT THE TOWN BOARD FOR AN APPROVAL DECEMBER 10TH.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD REQUIRE YOU TODAY, YOUR MEETING ON THE 19TH, THE ZONING BOARD ON THE 20TH, AND ACTUALLY A TOWN BOARD MEETING IN ANTICIPATION TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 10TH, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO.
IS YOUR EXPECTATION TO START IN THE SPRING? YES.
AND IN HOW MANY WEEKS OR? YEAH, 'CAUSE I MEAN, BUILDING AFTER FROST, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WE WOULD START DEMOLITION AS SOON AS WE HAD APPROVALS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN LATE DECEMBER, EARLY JANUARY.
AND AT THE SAME TIME, UH, FABRICATE THE MODULAR UNITS, HAVE THEM DELIVERED AND BE READY TO OPEN MID-APRIL.
THAT IS A, THAT IS AN AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE.
AND WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE TIMEFRAME WE ARE, BUT IT'S THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO.
ANDY'S NOT MENTIONING THE BYLAWS
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WHERE THEY ALL LIVE AT HIS HOUSE IF WE'RE NOTSO PRECISELY IS THE, ALL THE DRAINAGE AND UH, UH, SORT OF, UH, UH, ISSUES RELATED TO THE, UM, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
UH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY, UH, STORM WATER SYSTEM SET UP NOW, CORRECT? THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO FORMAL TREATMENT PROPOSED.
WE'RE REDUCING THE IMPERVIOUS WITH THIS PROJECT BY 630 FEET.
BUT SO WITH THAT REDUCTION, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DECREASE IN STORMWATER RUNOFF.
BUT YOU STILL NEED A, UH, DRIVEWAY OUT AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOO.
THERE'S A, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CHANGING WITH ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE DOING WITH THE ADDITION OF THE, THE TWO HANDICAPPED SPACES, THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO BUILDINGS OR REMOVAL OF THE WALKWAYS AND PATHWAYS AROUND THOSE TWO BUILDINGS, PUTTING THE ONE BUILDING BACK WITH THE TWO PARKING SPACES, WE NET A DECREASE IN IMPERVIOUS WITH OUR, WITH OUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
BUT, UH, MAN, THAT DO, DO THEY MEET, DO, DO THEY HAVE TO MEET THE, ONCE THEY REBUILD IT, DO THEY HAVE TO MEET THE, WHATEVER THE CODE IS NOW WHEN THERE'S A DECREASE? UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT PROVISIONS FOR THAT.
SO JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT IS THAT? YEAH, SO IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, WHAT THEY PROPOSED.
UH, HE'S PRELIMINARILY REVIEWED IT AND DEEMED THAT IT MEETS THE CODE REQUIREMENT DUE TO THE REDUCTION.
IF, IF WE WERE INCREASING THEN WE WOULD NEED TO TREAT THE INCREASE IN ACCORDANCE WITH TOWN STANDARD WHAT THEY WERE SAYING THE SAME.
IT WOULD NOT HAVE, IF, IF I'M CORRECT, I JUST WANTED INFORMATION FOR, SO, SO IT'S A DECREASE IN IMPERIAL SERVICE AND SAY THIS IS HOW REQUIRED, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE EITHER EITHER OF YOU AN ENGINEER, I DUNNO IF YOU IT'S NOT REQUIRED
SO THE STORM WATER SYSTEM IS NOT REQUIRED IF IT'S A REDEMPTION.
SO ARE WE CONSIDERING HOLDING IT OVER OR ARE WE CONSIDERING, UM, HAVING STAFF, DIRECTING STAFF TO PREPARE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION? I WOULD SAY THE LATTER FOR ME.
I THINK IT'S, I KNOW DETAILS, BUT OTHERWISE I THINK THE IS YEAH.
AND WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DRAFT THOSE FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 19TH.
AND, AND THANK YOU MATT FOR, UH, PASSING AROUND THE NEW, THE NEW VARIANCE MEMO IN OUR EMAILS.
THERE'S A ACTUALLY SECOND UPDATED ONE DATED OCTOBER 31ST.
SO YOU'LL SEE TWO BACK TO BACK EMAILS
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE RECALCULATED HEIGHT.
THAT WAS THE RECALCULATED HEIGHT.
SO THAT WAS WHAT I WAS CONFIRMING BEFORE GOING FROM 18 FEET TO 19 FEET.
AND ALSO IT JUST, UH, CORRECTED THE SECTION BLOCK AND LOT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS REVIEWED AND, OKAY.
SO, UM, I ACTUALLY HAD COMMENTS ABOUT ADDING IN SOME ADDITIONAL EVERGREENS AND THEY WERE RECEPTIVE TO IT AND OKAY.
SO WE, THEY'RE GONNA PREPARE RECOMMENDATION AND GIVE IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE'LL BE READY TO REVIEW TWO RECOMME SEPARATE, SEPARATE ONES FOR THE 19TH FOR ON NOVEMBER 19TH.
WELL, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOW CASE NUMBER PB 25 17 CLEMMER AT 95 ARDSLEY ROAD.
AND THIS IS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
IT'S A BIG, BIG PROJECT ABOUT DOING SO.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE, THERE SAY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN AND A LOT OF DIRT COMING ON TO THE
SO HOW THIS WOULD BE ADDING TO IT OR, UM, HI.
UH, FOR THE RECORD, ROB FRAN AND F ENGINEERING, UH, REPRESENTING ANDREW KLEMMER, UH, WITH ME IS RA YOUNG, UH, THE, UM, ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, I'M TRYING TO GET INTO THE ZOOM AND IT'S NOT LETTING ME IN IT ALSO THE, THE I PRE-REGISTERED AND THE LINK THAT POPS UP SAYS THERE WAS, UH, AN ISSUE WITH THE LINK.
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BUT I DO HAVE THE PLANS.UH, YEAH 'CAUSE IT'S SAYING THE MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 15TH AND IT KEEPS TRYING TO CYCLE IN.
SO, UM, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS, UH, HAVE THE PLANS FOR EACH PROJECT AVAILABLE.
UM, SO I HAVE THE PLAN SET AND THEN I HAVE THE REVISED DRAWINGS I RECEIVED FROM CHARLES.
UM, SO I CAN KIND OF FLIP BETWEEN THE TWO.
IF YOU COULD POP OPEN THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN, THAT'D BE FANTASTIC.
I DID TAKE LIBERTY TO COLORIZE THIS JUST TO OKAY.
MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THE BOARD.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU JUST SENT ME ANOTHER ZOOM OR, SO I HAVE, I MEAN I DO HAVE.
BUT, SO THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN? YEAH, THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH.
SO, UM, THE EXISTING HOUSE IS, UH, IT'S AN OLDER HOUSE BUILT IN 1865, UH, COMES OFF OF LEY ROAD.
UM, AND THERE'S AN EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE THAT IS, EXCUSE ME.
SO THE EXISTING GARAGE IS RIGHT ABOUT IN HERE.
THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY COMES UP THROUGH HERE.
THERE'S A GRAVEL, THERE'S A PARKING AREA IN HERE.
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE PUTTING IN A DETACHED GARAGE ON THE FLATTER PORTION OF THE SITE, GIVING SOME MORE PARKING IN THIS AREA, UM, AND THEN PUTTING A POOL AND A PATIO IN THE BACKYARD.
UM, OKAY, NOW IT'S LETTING ME IN
UM, WHERE IS THE HOUSE? SO THE, UM, RIGHT NOW NONE OF THE, UH, DRIVEWAY IS TREATED.
UM, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED IS WE'RE ADDING A FEW CATCH BASINS IN HERE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CATCH BASIN HERE.
AND NOW THE DRIVEWAY, THE GARAGE, ALL OF THAT RUNOFF IS GONNA BE TREATED BY THIS STORMWATER DETENTION SYSTEM HERE.
AND THE POOL AND PATIO WILL BE DETAINED BY THIS LITTLE STORMWATER SYSTEM THERE.
UM, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, SIGNED OFF BY THE TOWN ENGINEER.
WE DO TREAT THE 25 YEAR STORM, WHICH IS A 6.4 INCHES OF RAIN.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS REALLY A MINOR PROJECT, UH, AS DEFINED PER SECTION 2 48 8 OF THE TOWN CODE.
UM, 'CAUSE IT'S LESS THAN 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF SITE DISTURBANCE.
UH, IT'S REALLY, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE PROJECT.
UM, THE MOST OF THE WORK IS OCCURRING IN THE ZERO TO 15 OR 15 TO 25% SLOPE AREAS.
UM, THE ONLY PART THAT HAS THE, UM, UH, THE 35% SLOPE, THERE WAS A, UH, SLOPE ANALYSIS THAT WAS ON THE SURVEY.
UH, I CAN POP THAT UP IF IT, YEAH.
SO WHY DON'T I TAKE THIS? SURE.
LET ME, UH, SHARE, UH, WHOOPS, HERE YOU GO.
THIS IS THE, THAT'S THE SITE PLAN.
I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE TO REDUCE SOME WINDOWS HERE.
YOU ASK IF THAT'S, THERE WE GO.
IT'S HARD TO SEE THIS ON A, ON A LAPTOP, LET ALONE ON A, SO THE ONLY PART WHERE THERE'S THE, THE 35% IS THIS LITTLE ROCK RIGHT THERE.
AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, UM, JUST, THAT'S HOW THE SURVEYOR CALCULATED THE STEEPNESS ON THAT ROCK.
UH, BUT IT'S THE FLATTEST PART OF THE SITE.
SO JUST IMAGINE A ROCK COMING OUT.
UM, AGAIN, THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK IS OCCURRING IN THIS AREA IN HERE.
UM, THE, UM, WE PROVIDED A NARRATIVE ABOUT HOW IT COMPLIES WITH THE, UH, STEEP SLOPE REGULATIONS.
THAT'S ALL IN THE PACKET THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED, GIVEN THE HOUR.
I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME TO REGURGITATE THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT IT'S ALL THERE AS TO HOW WE MEET THE STEEP SLOPE REGULATIONS.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I MEAN, IT'S A, IT'S A SIMPLE APPLICATION.
SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND ASK WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE MOVING FORWARD.
ONE, UM, DO YOU HAVE THE LATEST PLAN, UM, FROM CHARLES AND R ON THE
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TREE REMOVAL AND THE LANDSCAPE? I, I HAVE NOT.WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT? I'LL STOP SHARING.
SPEAK TO THE, THE TREES TO BE REMOVED.
I'D LIKE SOMEONE TO SPEAK TO THE TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING.
AND ALSO, UM, AND I CAN GO THROUGH THEM, BUT THERE ARE VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
THIS BOARD WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
DO YOU HAVE A DATE WITH THE ZONING BOARD AS OF YET? HAVE YOU MADE FORMAL APPLICATION OR ARE YOU STILL IN PROCESS? WE ARE ABOUT TO MAKE FORMAL APPLICATION.
UM, I THINK THE DEADLINE IS THE 15TH.
HOPEFULLY THIS WEEK WE'LL GET IT IN.
SO YOU TOMORROW, UH, YEAH, TOMORROW OR FRIDAY.
SO YOU'RE TARGETING A DECEMBER DATE WITH THE ZONING BOARD? WELL, WE'RE TARGETING AS SOON AS YOU KNOW, YOU, YOUR STAFF CAN PUT US ON MEETING.
ME WITH RESPECT TO THE DEADLINE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE 15TH OF THE MONTH PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL MONTH WHERE YOU WOULD BE CONSIDERED TO GET ON THE SCHEDULE.
SO NOVEMBER 15TH OR WHATEVER THE DECEMBER MEETING IS.
AND, AND I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON ONE OF THE VARIANCES, BUT WE'LL WORK, WORK THROUGH THE FIRST THINGS.
SO LET ME, UM, PULL UP THOSE DRAWINGS 'CAUSE I DO HAVE THEM.
I BELIEVE THERE'S SEVEN TREES COMING OUT.
UH, THERE'S A REVISED, UH, CLAMP THAT JUST CAME IN.
SO THIS IS THE, THERE'S A TREE REMOVAL LIST MM-HMM
THAT SHOWS, UM, IDENTIFIES THE SEVEN TREES PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL, THE LARGEST OF WHICH IS A WHITE PINE.
AND THEN THEY DO CALL THEM OUT BY NUMBER ON THE PLAN.
UM, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE NEED OR PURPOSE FOR THE TREES BEING REMOVED? UH, SO SOME OF THE TREES, LIKE THIS TREE HERE IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE GARAGE.
UM, THAT'S GONNA NEED TO COME OUT JUST TO PUT THE GARAGE IN.
UM, THESE TREES HERE WOULD BE, UM, WOULD COME, UH, WOULD, THEIR CANOPIES WOULD BE OVER THE POOL.
SAME THING WITH THIS TREE HERE.
UM, AS TO THE REST OF THE TREES, THERE'S THE ONE OUT FRONT HERE.
I DON'T THINK THAT ONE'S IN SUCH GOOD SHAPE.
AND IT'S ALSO LIKE GROWING INTO THE DRIVEWAY
SO KIND OF, IT'S NOT THE BEST PLACE FOR A TREE.
UM, AND THE OTHERS, UH, THESE IN HERE AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, CANOPY OVER THE POOL, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE WORK BEING DONE, YOU KNOW, IMPACTED AT THE TIME OF EXCAVATION AND THE
PLEASE GO UP TO THE MICROPHONE TO SPEAK AND STATE YOUR NAME BEFORE YOU SPEAK.
ROSAMOND YOUNG ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT THE, UM, THE COUPLE OF TREES ON THE LEFT THERE NEAR THE POOL VICINITY, UM, IT'S, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL WOOD, WOOD, YOU KNOW, WOODLAND, UH, PROPERTY, ALMOST TWO ACRES.
AND SO, UM, THE OWNERS DO LOVE THE TREES, BUT THOSE FEW THERE WILL REALLY BE, UM, IN THE WAY OF THE EXCAVATION.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU DIG A POOL, YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, AT A MINIMUM DIG ABOUT 10 FEET OVER THE, UH, THE FINAL FOOTPRINT OF THAT POOL.
SO THOSE TREES WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE COMPROMISED.
UM, AND YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE SORT OF WORKED QUITE CAREFULLY TO KEEP AS MANY TREES AS WE CAN.
UM, PARTICULARLY IN THE VICINITY OF THE GARAGE.
THERE'S A VERY LARGE TREE, UM, TO THE YEAH, I'M NOT SURE I CAN SEE.
ANYWAY, THERE'S, THERE'S A VERY LARGE, UM, MAPLE THAT, UM, IT'S, IT, IT'S KIND OF GROWING IN THE ROCK.
SO IT'S IT'S PRETTY KIND OF STABLE.
IT'S BEEN GROWING THERE FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA HOLD ONTO THAT ONE THAT'S OFF TO THE RIGHT.
OH, I DO, I I THINK I ACTUALLY DO SEE LIKE THE LITTLE ICON FOR IT.
ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S NEAR THE, IT'S NEAR THAT OUTCOME, UM, ON MY SLAVE PLAN.
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RIGHT.AND THEN THE, THE LARGE OAK, WHICH IS A 30, 30 INCH OAK TREE NUMBER TWO IS, IS PRIMARILY DUE TO CONDITION, BUT ALSO CONDITION ALSO.
UM, BUT IT'S IN, IN SERIOUS DECLINE, SO.
AND THEN THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, IF YOU COULD WALK THE BOARD THROUGH THAT, 'CAUSE THIS IS UPDATED.
UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE 11 TREES PROPOSED FOR PLANTING.
UM, WE DID CONFIRM, ACTUALLY I DID REVIEW WITH, UM, WITH MY ASSOCIATE CHARLES ASSOCIATE THAT, UM, THERE IS GONNA NEED TO BE A SLIGHT TWEAK BECAUSE IT'S JUST SHORT WHEN YOU ADD UP THE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUES OF THE TREES BEING REMOVED VERSUS THE TREES PROPOSED TO BE PLANTED.
THEY'RE A HAIR SLIGHT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO MEETING THE CO2 REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT.
SO THEY'RE EITHER GONNA SWAP OUT A SPECIES OR ADD IN, UM, A NEW YEAH.
THAT AN ADDITIONAL TREE COULD ADD ONE MORE.
AND MY THOUGHT WAS, I'M SORRY.
ADDING, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY LARGER GROWING.
LIKE THEY HAVE ONE OF ONE RED MAPLE, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE A MEDIUM SIZED CANOPY TREE.
THE PROPERTY IS WELL WOODED THOUGH, SO THEY ARE LIMITED.
SO, SO MY APOLOGIES 'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE, I THINK I MIGHT HAVE DELETED THAT PAGE, BUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN AT THE POOL, UH, SO YOU HAVE LIKE TWO, FOUR TREES ON EITHER SIDE OF THE POOL MM-HMM
AND WHAT'S THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THOSE TREES IN THE POOL? UM, APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET.
'CAUSE THE PATIO IS, I'M SORRY, THE PATIO IS 18, SO THOSE TREES ARE ANOTHER 20, ABOUT 28 FEET MM-HMM
FROM THE WATER AND 7, 8, 9, AND 10.
THOSE ARE ALL AMERICAN HORN BEAMS. RIGHT.
UM, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE THERE, YOU KNOW, TO JUST KIND OF MAKE A VERY SORT OF FORMAL, UM, FRAMEWORK FOR THAT POOL SITTING IN THE LANDSCAPE.
AND THERE'S NO PATIO AROUND ALL FOUR SIDES OF THE POOL.
SO THIS IS AN INFINITY POOL PROPOSED.
SO UP HERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE OFF LEVEL WITH THE LAWN.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS AN INFINITY EDGE, WHICH TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE NATURAL SLOPE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO I THINK THAT WALL IS, UM, BETWEEN THREE AND FOUR FEET HIGH.
THE, THE, THE WATERFALL PART, IF YOU WILL.
NOW I UNDERSTAND IT 'CAUSE LIKE YES, YES.
UM, HOW'S THE POOL PROTECTED FROM? IS IT THERE, THERE, I DON'T SEE A FENCE.
IS THERE? YEAH, THERE'S, UM, CUSTOM, IT'S ON THE, THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? WELL, NO, I THINK THERE'S A, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOCK GATE.
THE FENCE GOES, UM, THE FENCE GOES FROM HERE AND ATTACHES TO THE HOUSE.
SO FROM THIS CORNER THERE'S A FENCE, THERE'S A GATE OVER HERE TO GET INTO THE GARDEN AND THE FENCE GOES DOWN STRAIGHT HERE.
UM, AND THEN DOWN TO THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY AROUND, AROUND THAT STONE RETAINING WALL IS QUITE SHORT.
LIKE THAT DOESN'T, THAT SEEMS LIKE, YEAH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY.
UM, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE PUTTING, I MEAN KIDS LIKE STAND ON THE TOP OF THAT STONE RETAINING WALL AND WALK DOWN REDLEY ROAD.
LIKE, AND I THINK LEGALLY IT HAS TO BE SIX FEET.
IT HAS TO BE LIKE, IT CAN'T BE A RETAINING WALL.
IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE THIS WOULDN'T SATISFY THE FENCE REQUIREMENT, UM, IS THERE A PROPOSED LIKE RETRACTABLE COVER, AUTOMATIC COVER FOR THE POOL? YES.
THERE'S AN ELECTRIC COVER PROPOSED.
UH, AND IS THAT UNDER CODE OR KEY? UM, KEY.
SO, SO THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHILE IT WOULDN'T MEET THE FENCE REQUIREMENT, IT WOULD AS LONG AS IT'S, YOU KNOW, CLOSED WHEN NOT IN USE WOULD, UH, PREVENT ANIMALS OR CHILDREN OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM ENTERING THE POOL.
AND THAT'S JUST, AND THERE AND THERE ARE SOME MUNICIPALITIES THAT ALLOW AUTOMATIC COVERS, UH, TO, TO BE USED IN LIEU OF THE FENCE REQUIREMENT.
GREENBURG'S NOT ONE OF THEM ETIQUETTE.
UH, I THINK THAT'S LIKE THE STATE HEALTH STATE CODE NOW.
SO CAN WE GET CLARITY ON, I THINK BECAUSE I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE IT HAS TO BE LIKE FENCED IN.
IT IS SIX, IT HAS TO BE FENCED IN.
NO, I'M SAYING THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE.
THE HEIGHT OF THE FENCE IS FOUR FEET.
FOUR FEET WITH FOUR FEET, UH, FOUR INCH, UH, ON CENTER PICKETS.
SO BASICALLY THE IT'S PROTECTION IS PROVIDED.
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SIDE FULL ON, UH, THE PERIMETER AND THEN JOINING BACK TO THE HOME.BUT, BUT, BUT FROM WHAT PROTECTS FROM THE OTHER SIDE? I MEAN, LIKE, IT'S A LOAN, A POOLS AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE.
SO LIKE, AND IF, AND I DO KNOW LIKE WALKING DOWN THAT I'VE SEEN KIDS WALKING ON THAT WALL.
IT'S, I MEAN, IT WOULD, IS THE POOL VISIBLE? WOULD IT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET? YEAH, I MEAN YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THERE, RIGHT? WELL, WELL THE STREET IS, BUT THERE, THERE IS NO STREET ON LEFT.
WELL, FOR KIDS, WAIT, WHERE'S OUR, OURS IS WAY UP TO THE RIGHT.
OH, I, SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS DIFFERENT.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS A DIFFERENT ANGLE.
YOU KNOW, THE POOL IS LIKE 400 FEET AWAY FROM OIE.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION, IS THERE A FENCE ENTIRELY AROUND THAT EITHER POOL OR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY? YEAH.
COULD YOU, IT'S JUST THE BACK PART OF THE, UM, THE FENCE, THE, THE FENCE STARTS AT THE CORNER OF THE HOME AND THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A GATE MM-HMM
AND THEN IT GOES DOWN HERE AND JOINS THE, UH, PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY AND THEN GOES HERE AND UP AND THEN JOINS AGAIN TO THE CORNER.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, THERE'S A FENCE IN ADDITION TO THE STONEWALL? WELL, THE STONEWALL'S EXISTING.
AND THE PROPERTY ON THAT SOUTH EAST SIDE, IT REALLY DROPS OFF, UM, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER.
BUT THE FENCE IS IN ADDITION TO THE CORRECT.
I MEAN THE, THE, THE FENCE WOULD SATISFY THE CODE REQUIREMENT AND THE AUTOMATIC COVER IN, IN REALITY WOULD, WOULD PREVENT THE, THE ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE.
UM, SO, AND YOU BROUGHT IT UP THE DROP OFF THERE.
UM, THE, I I THINK YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT STORM WATER AND HOW YOU'RE ADDRESSING IT.
I KNOW THAT THE, THE, THERE AREN'T THAT MANY, UM, AT LEAST ON THE STREETS IN THAT AREA, THERE'S NO, UH, STORM WATER DRAIN ON THE STREETS.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN, I I, I LIVE RIGHT AROUND THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
UM, AND THERE'S A LOT MORE, EVEN JUST SINCE I MOVED THERE, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE STORM WATER THAT JUST RUNS DOWN THE STREET MM-HMM
AND SO HOW ARE YOU ADDRESSING THE STORM WATER? SO AGAIN, BASED ON MY DRAINAGE ANALYSIS, I, I ANALYZED TWO POINTS ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THE, WHERE THE POOL AND THE PATIO DRAINED, THAT ALL DRAINS TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THAT WALL THAT WE WERE, THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS ON HARLEY ROAD.
NO, I THOUGHT I I THOUGHT IT WAS HARLEY ROAD.
SO THOSES ARE FOUR THAT ARE BY THE POOL.
THAT'S SPECIFICALLY FOR THE POOL PATIO.
THE GARAGE, THE DRIVEWAY GOING TO THE MIDDLE, GO TO THE CULEX IN THE FRONT.
SORRY, CAN YOU JUST TALK AT THE MICROPHONE? SORRY.
THE, THE CULEX THAT ARE IN THE LAWN ARE TREATING THE RUNOFF FROM THE NEW GARAGE, THE GRAVEL PARKING COURTS, THE GRAVEL BACK OUT AREA FROM THE GARAGE AND ABOUT HALF OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES DOWN.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO PICK UP AND GET INTO THE CALEX.
UM, RIGHT NOW NONE OF THAT WATER IS TREATED OR CAPTURED THAT COMES OFF OF THE EXISTING GARAGE OR DRIVEWAY AND ALL THAT GOES OUT TO THE STREET.
SO, AND, AND ENGINEERING HAS REVIEWED THAT AND THEY'VE AGREED WITH OUR AND WHAT IS THAT RATED FOR? A 25 YEAR STORM? 6.4 INCHES OF RAIN AND THE WATER QUALITY VOLUME, WHICH IS A FUNCTION OF LIKE ONE AND A HALF INCHES OF RAIN.
SO IS THERE CURBING ALONG THE EDGE, LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE GRAVEL MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, SOME CAN PERCOLATE, LIKE HOW'S IT PITCHING INTO THE, UH, I THINK REMEMBER DOING STEEL BANDS ON THE, TO HOLD THE GRAVEL IN AND THAT TYPICALLY WILL DIRECT IT, IT TOWARDS THE CATCH BASIN.
KEEP THE WATER, KEEP THE WATER GOING TO THE CATCH BASINS.
AND OF COURSE THE, OKAY, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
DOWNSPOUTS FOR THE GARAGE ARE, WILL BE PIPED INTO THE DIRECT, THE CATCH BASINS DIRECT.
AARON, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THE VARIANCES? ABSOLUTELY.
SO ACCORDING TO THE LATEST MEMORANDUM, I HAVE DATED OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, UH, THREE AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, ONE, UH, LET ME DO, UH, TWO AND THREE FIRST BECAUSE I THINK THE QUESTION RELATES TO ONE.
SO NUMBER TWO, MAXIMUM WIDTH OF DRIVEWAY, 30 FEET, UH, PERMITTED 36.9 FEET PROPOSED.
AND IF AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THE LOCATION OF THAT IS.
AND THEN, UM, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF THE GARAGE MM-HMM.
SIMILAR TO THE PRIOR PROJECT 12 OR ONE OF OUR PRIOR PROJECTS, 12 FEET PERMITTED, UH, 20 FEET PROPOSED.
AND THEN THIRD, UM, SECTION 2 85, 38 A OF OUR ZONING ORDINANCE INDICATES THAT, UH, THE PAVEMENT PAVING OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES SHALL BE PAVED.
AND IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE SEEKING FOR, UH, THE GRAVEL COURT AREA FOR THE OFF STREET PARKING SPACES.
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MY, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WOULD THE APPLICANT BE OPEN TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN A PAVED UH, SPACE JUST TO ACCOMMODATE TWO PARKING SPACES, WHICH WOULD MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENT AND ELIMINATE THAT NEED FOR VARIANCE? YEAH, I, I DIDN'T GET IT.CAN YOU EXPLAIN BY, BY ALL MEANS, I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN WHAT WE KIND OF IN INHERITED HERE.
SO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, UM, WHICH IS ONLY ABOUT 10 FEET, SOMETIMES EIGHT FEET WIDE, IS, IS SORT OF OLD ASPHALT ALL THE WAY OUT TO ARDSLEY ROAD.
AND THERE IS AN EXISTING GRAVEL COURTYARD HERE, UM, WHICH IS QUITE ATTRACTIVE WITH A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, STONEWALL.
AND IT WAS VERY NICELY DONE SOME, I DON'T KNOW, 30 YEARS AGO.
UM, SO WHEN WE CONSIDERED BUILDING THE GARAGE, UM, THE OWNERS WERE VERY KEEN TO HAVE THAT SAME SOFT MATERIAL IN THE FLAT PART OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL PRETTY FLAT.
SO WE'VE SEPARATED THE ASPHALT FROM THE GRAVEL WITH A GRANITE BAND RIGHT HERE.
AND THEN THIS WAS ALL PROPOSED TO, TO BE GRAVEL.
AND I GUESS UP, UP TO THE WEST, THERE'S A LITTLE SQUARE AREA RIGHT THERE.
IF, IF THAT WERE TO BE PAVED, WOULD THAT SATISFY THE CODE REQUIREMENT? UM, WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT IF, IF, IF THE STAFF WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
SO YOU NEED, UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, IT WOULD NEED TO BE EITHER, UM, EXCUSE ME, NINE BY 18, NINE DIMENSIONS PROPERLY.
SO IF THAT WAS AN ASPHALT PARKING AREA, WE WOULD BE OKAY.
YOU JUST HAVE TO PROVE OUT DIMENSIONALLY SURE, SURE.
AND CONFIRM WITH BUILDING THAT THE LOCATION IS SATISFACTORY.
AND THEN THAT WOULD REDUCE ONE OF THE VARIANCES, WHICH OKAY.
VIEWED, VIEWED FAVORABLY BY THE BOARD.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY, THEY HAVE OFF STREET PARKING, SO THAT'S OKAY.
BUT, SO THIS LITTLE SQUARE IS VARIANCES FOR ALL THE OFF STREET PARKING OR JUST THE, IT'S, YOU THINK BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU CHANGE A DRIVEWAY, THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY IS REEXAMINED BY THE STAFF.
SO WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE ADDING TO AN EXISTING PREEXISTING USE OR, OR CHANGING THE USE, UM, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE, UH, PAVED PARKING.
AND SO HERE YOU NEED TWO PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE PAVED AND IT'S, UH, NINE BY 20 PER SPACE.
I'M SURE WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK.
AND, UM, SO, SO, UH, DYLAN IS ASKING IF THEY CAN ELIMINATE THE VARIANCE BY PROVIDING THE TWO PAVED SPACES, UM, PER PARKING.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE ONE THAT THEY'RE SHOWING IT THAT'S, THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER THE, UNDER THE CODE? MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THAT, WHAT IS BEING SHOWN HERE? IS THAT REQUIRE VARIANCE OR IT DOES NOT REQUIRE VARIANCE.
CURRENT CURRENTLY REQUIRES YEAH, CURRENTLY IT'S GRAVEL.
SO THAT WOULDN'T SATISFY THE NEED FOR PAVED SPACES.
SO, AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS THE NEED FOR A VARIANCE CURRENTLY.
BUT THEN THAT STILL REMAINS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO PAVE THAT AREA.
BUT AS LONG AS, AS LONG AS THEY PUT A, IT DEMONSTRATE THAT, IF THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY HAVE PAVED OFF STREET PARKING AREAS, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY? 2, 2 2 EASY REQUIRED FOR THEM.
AND, AND THEN COULD YOU, COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY, UM, I GUESS WHY AND WHERE THE DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO BE 36? SURE.
SO WE WERE VERY CAREFUL TO MAKE THE DISTANCE FROM HERE TO THE FACE OF THE THREE CAR GARAGE UNDER 30 FEET BECAUSE WE UNDERSTOOD THAT RULE VERY WELL.
WE WERE SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY AREA 36.5 FEET HERE BECAUSE OUR BUILDING IS 36.5.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT WIDTH TO GET INTO THE THREE PORTS.
WE CAN'T DRIVE IN A 30 FOOT DRIVE TO A 36 HOLE.
SO WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THAT ONE.
BUT, SO IT'S JUST IN THAT AREA.
IT'S JUST IN THAT AREA AND IT'S KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S AWKWARD BECAUSE IT'S LIKE WHEN DOES A DRIVEWAY STOP BEING A DRIVEWAY AND BECOME PARKING AREA? SURE.
BUT LIKE, HONESTLY, UM, EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE 30 FOOT BACK AREA, TYPICALLY IN HOMES LIKE THIS, WE USUALLY USE 35 AS OUR MINIMUM BACKUP.
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A NICE, COMFORTABLE, YOU KNOW, ONE POINT TURN 30 IS A SQUEEZE, BUT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GLAD TO HONOR THAT.UM, BUT WE KIND OF GOTTA HAVE THE, WELL, I THINK IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ELIMINATE THAT ONE VARIANCE, THAT WOULD BE YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS, I THINK THE APPLICANT'S REALLY GONNA TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AND COORDINATE WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR ON REVIEWING WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE ONE BEARING.
WELL, I'M JUST THINKING I COULD, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR IS ABLE TO TURN AROUND THE DETERMINATION THIS QUICKLY.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, WELL MY, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT.
UM, SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WHETHER IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO SET UP EITHER A CALL OR AN IN-PERSON VISIT.
WITH THE BUILD DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR TO KIND OF REVIEW WHAT WE HAVE.
IF ANY TWEAKS OR ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIRED FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE IN ORDER TO MAKE AN UPDATED DETERMINATION.
OR FOR YOU GUYS TO TWEAK THE PLANS IN ORDER TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
SO I THINK THAT CAN BE DONE RELATIVELY SOON.
STAFF'S SUGGESTION IS THAT, UM, AND OUR, OUR AGENDA IS BOOKED SOLID FOR NOVEMBER 19TH.
THIS PROJECT HASN'T YET GOT ON FOR THE ZONING BOARD.
SO UNLIKE METROPOLIS, WHICH IS IN MOTION FOR THE NOVEMBER 20TH, UH, ZBA MEETING, THIS WOULD NOT BE UNTIL DECEMBER.
SO I THINK WE COULD PUSH THIS OFF UNTIL WE DECEMBER 3RD MEETING.
AND IN THE INTERIM, THE APPLICANT CAN BE WORKING WITH STAFF AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE TO SEE UM, IF THERE'S AN ELIMINATION OF THE VARIANCE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SORRY, ERIN, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ZONING BOARD DECEMBER MEETING? SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PLANNING BOARD PICKING THIS BACK UP AT ITS DECEMBER 3RD MEETING.
SO AT ITS DECEMBER 3RD MEETING, WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE I THINK A REVISED VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO, IF THAT'S THE CASE.
PRIOR TO THAT DECEMBER 3RD DATE.
THAT WOULD ALSO ALLOW YOU, UM, AND I, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WE COULD PROBABLY GET IT DONE BEFORE THE 15TH.
'CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE THAT DEADLINE TO SUBMIT.
I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO GET TO ZONING IN DECEMBER.
ALSO, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY WHEN THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF ELIMINATING A VARIANCE, WE'VE OP WE'VE PROVIDED A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION ON ALL THREE, AND THEN IF ONE IS ELIMINATED CORRECT.
SO I THINK IT REALLY, LET ME SAY IT THIS WAY, YOU'RE SEEKING TO FILE THE ZONING BOARD ON THE 15TH.
TONIGHT'S THE FIFTH GIVES IT, YOU KNOW, 10 DAYS, A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, BUT NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.
UM, WHY DON'T YOU REACH OUT TO ME IN THE MORNING AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN COORDINATE PERHAPS A VIDEO CONFERENCE MEETING WITH THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR MM-HMM
SO THAT YOU BOTH CAN GET ON THE SAME PAGE WITH WHAT THEIR OFFICE NEEDS IN TERMS OF REQUIREMENTS AND WHAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE THE TWO OFF STREET PARKING SPACES TO ELIMINATE THE VARIANCE.
IT MAY RESULT IN JUST HAVING TO PUT SOME DIMENSIONS ON THE PLAN, WHICH IS PROBABLY A QUICK TURNAROUND.
AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN THEN FOLLOWING THAT MEETING MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A TIMELY TURNAROUND ON THE PLANS.
SO IS OUR OFFICE CAN DISCUSS WITH THE DEPUTY MM-HMM
WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE ABOUT GETTING A MEMO GENERATED SO THAT YOU CAN FILE FOR THE, FOR THE ZONING BOARD.
BUT, UH, AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS RIGHT? IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF GOING TO PLANNING AND ZONING THE TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS IN DECEMBER? POSSIBLY.
BECAUSE THIS BOARD IS GOING TO ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCES TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THEY WOULD NEED TO DO THAT PRIOR TO THE ZONING BOARD MEETING.
THE PLANNING BOARD ONLY MEETS ONCE IN DECEMBER, WHICH IS DECEMBER 3RD.
ZONING BOARD MEETS SOMETIME LATER THAN THAT.
SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT CAN ALL BE TAKEN CARE OF AHEAD OF THAT MM-HMM
YEAH, I THINK, I THINK THERE ARE MEETINGS DECEMBER 18TH IF, IF I'M DOING THE MATH RIGHT.
AND THEN I'M ALSO GOING TO MAKE ONE OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE NEW TREES, PERHAPS A SECOND ACER.
SO WE'LL LOOK TO CONFIRM THAT THAT, UM, WOULD SATISFY THE REQUIREMENT.
QUESTION WHERE THE, WHERE THE NEW GARAGE IS? MM-HMM
WHAT'S THERE? UM, THERE, I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE TWO OR THREE NEIGHBORS ON OUR SOUTH SIDE, BUT THEY ARE WAY DOWN THE HILL.
LIKE THOSE WOULD BE PROPERTIES, UM,
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COMING OFF OF, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH LINWOOD, LINWOOD ROAD? YOU KNOW IT'S EDGEMONT ROAD.IS IT EDGEMONT ROAD? YEAH, IT'S EDGEMONT.
THOSE WOULD BE THE PROPERTIES COMING OFF EDGEMONT.
SO THE FACT THAT YOU'RE HAVING A TALLER BUILDING THAT YOU NEED THE VARIANCE FOR, YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T BOTHER THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FAR AWAY.
BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR REGARDLESS.
WOULD WOULD THERE BE ROOM FOR INCREASED CULT TEXT WITHIN, WITHIN THE PROPERTY INCREASED WHAT? IN INCREASED CULT TEXT FOR GREATER STORMWATER RETENTION? IN THEORY, YES.
WE COULD, UH, ADD SOME MORE IN THE FRONT.
UM, I'M REALLY LIMITED IN THE BACK.
AND I THINK IT'S THE EDGEMONT ROAD ONES IN THE BACK THAT MISS, MS. ANDERSON IS MENTIONING.
IT'S THE, THE, IT'S LIKE A RIVER GOING DOWN WHEN THERE'S, 'CAUSE ALL THIS STORM SURGE, IT'S LIKE IT GOES STRAIGHT AND IT ALL COMES UPSTREAM.
SO, SO YOU ADDING, SO YOU'RE ADDING 16 DRYWALLS THAT WERE NOT THERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.
BUT IT, IT IS LIKE ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT THERE'S SOMETHING I'M SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA WOULD APPRECIATE THAT, UM, IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR IT.
SO PLANNING BOARD HISTORICALLY REQUEST A 50 TO MEET THE 50 YEAR STORM IF POSSIBLE.
IT, I MEAN IT WOULD BE VERY NECESSARY.
IT'S, IT'S UNDER, IT'S, IT'S UM, UH, THERE, THERE ACTUALLY SHOULD BE SOME LIKE PIPES OR SOMETHING ON THE STREET.
SO TO THE EXTENT YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT CERTAINLY AHEAD OF OUR NEXT MEETING.
THE BOARD WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND I THINK YOU SHOULD TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR REGARDLESS WHAT SORT OF DOING IT.
NEXT IS CASE NUMBER PB 25 17 CLAMMER 95 LEY ROAD.
CASE NUMBER PB 25 30 KDRP 55 HUNTER LANE.
ON AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, THIS IS THE WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS THE AMENDED SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION INVOLVING A PROPOSED EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING PARKING LOT WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS.
I THINK YOU'RE GOING, UM, UP THREE, UH, THREE PARKING SPACES FOR TRUCKS AND 16 FOR PASSENGER VEHICLES.
UM, I'M SENIOR DIRECTOR FOR NORTHEAST REGION SALES OPERATIONS FOR KEURIG DR.
PEPPER, 5,500 LANE AS ONE OF OUR DISTRIBUTION SITES.
I AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR YOU SEEING US HERE TONIGHT.
I FLEW IN FROM PITTSBURGH, UM, WAS REALLY HOPING WE GOT ON, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING US.
WE DO HAVE THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION ENABLED.
UH, AND IF YOU NEED ME TO STEP IN ON THAT, THIS IS, THANK YOU.
I'M USUALLY A TEAMS MEETINGS PERSON, BUT I CAN TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
UM, IS IT OKAY IF I GET BAGS HAND OUT, JUST A FEW PHOTOS, AERIAL PHOTOS OF THE SITE? SURE.
OH, YOU CAN JUST TAKE ONE AND PASS.
JUST GET, OTHERWISE THE BOTTOM CAN'T GET THE TOP 1, 2, 3, HIGH ON.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THE PHOTOS IS ESSENTIALLY TO DEMONSTRATE THE NEED FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, ON THE TOP, THIS PHOTO, IT'S FROM AROUND 2023.
I SHOULD HAVE HAD THE EXACT DATES, BUT IT'S FROM 2023.
AND THEN THE PHOTO ON THE BOTTOM IS A MORE RECENT AERIAL.
HOW WOULD, WHAT IS, YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW.
WHICH WAS THE TOP, TOP AND BOTTOM.
OH, UM,
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HOW I WAS.ALRIGHT, SO, SO THE, THIS TWO DRIVEWAYS IS ON THE SOUTH.
THAT'S HOW IT WASN'T, THAT'S HOW IT WASN'T THE MATERIALS WE RECEIVED WITH THE CARS AT THE BOTTOM.
CAN I HAVE MY HOMEWORK TEACHER? SORRY.
THIS RIGHT, THIS IS, THIS IS CLEAR.
SO TWO DRIVEWAYS ON THE SOUTH.
THAT IS SOUTH BEING THE BOTTOM.
SO THE LOT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED TO HAVE SOME EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THE TRUCK PARKING AREA ON THE PAGE LEFT SIDE OF THE SITE.
AND THEN THE MAIN EMPLOYEE LOT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN OVER TIME THE NEEDS OF THE FACILITY HAVE GROWN AND THERE ARE MORE TRUCKS THAT NEED TO BE PARKED.
AND ESSENTIALLY IT'S CREATED THIS SITUATION WHERE, UM, EMPLOYEE CARS ARE PARKED AMONG TRUCKS, DELIVERY VEHICLES AND IT, THERE'S A NEED FOR, YEP, GO AHEAD BRIAN.
OH, ONE OF OUR IMMEDIATE CONCERNS IS OUR CURE DR.
PEPPER COMPLIANCE STANDARDS FOR US IS THAT WE SEPARATE EMPLOYEE PARKING FROM THE PARKING WHERE WE PUT OUR DSD DELIVERY TRUCKS.
THERE'S SOME, UM, SAFETY BENEFITS TO THAT AS WELL AS JUST FROM A LOSS PREVENTION AND COMPLIANCE PERSPECTIVE, I'M REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A FACILITY THAT SEPARATES FACILITY THAT SEPARATES THE PARKING FOR THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN GOAL OF THIS PROJECT, TO SEPARATE THE EMPLOYEE PARKING AREAS FROM THE TRUCK DELIVERY AREAS.
AND YOU HAVE SOME TREE REMOVALS AND THEN SOME LANDSCAPING? YES, WE DO.
AND I CAN SHOW, I'LL, I GUESS I'LL START WITH THE SITE PLAN JUST YEAH, PLEASE AS AN OVERVIEW.
SO THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT WITH THE TRUCKS WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UM, EXPAND ONE CURB LINE TO ACCOMMODATE THREE STANDARD DSD TRUCK PARKING STALLS.
UM, AND THEN IN THE GRASS AREA ALONG HUNTER LANE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UM, ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE GRASS AREA.
UM, IT'S WHEN YOU TAKE THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, IT'S ONLY ACTUALLY AN ADDITIONAL TWO STALLS FROM THE ORIGINAL STRIPING, BUT IN THE WAY THAT IT'S BEEN FUNCTIONING, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL 16 STALLS BECAUSE THERE WERE ORIGINALLY 14 STALLS IN THAT TRUCK PARKING AREA AND NOW WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE THAT ALL TRUCK PARKING.
AND THEN WE'RE REPLACING THAT WITH 16 STALLS IN THE EMPLOYEE AREA.
IS THE PROPOSED EMPLOYEE PARKING, ARE YOU PROPOSING IT TO MEET CODE OR BECAUSE THERE'S AN ACTUAL NEED TO HAVE FOLKS PARK THERE? JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S, THERE'S A NEED FOR, FOR THE PARKING.
IS, IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR HANDICAP PARKING? UM, SO WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO ADJUST THE EXISTING HANDICAP PARKING.
UM, THE ADDITION OF THE TWO STALLS OR THE 46 STALLS DOESN'T TRIGGER THE NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL A DA STALL.
AND, AND WHERE ARE THOSE ON THE SITE? THOSE ARE LOCATED UP HERE.
AND, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE ARE SOME, UM, SNOW MOTOR MANAGEMENT YES.
SO FOR STORM WATER AND GRADING, LET'S SEE, STORM WATER.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING TWO SEPARATE UNDERGROUND, UH, DETENTION SLASH INFILTRATION FACILITIES.
THEY'RE A DS STORM TECH ISOLATOR ROWS.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY IT'S THE WATER QUALITY AND QUANTITY, WE HAVE THE 25 YEAR STORM MODELED.
AND THEN AT THE REQUEST OF, UM, TOWN ENGINEER, WE'VE PROVIDED A 100 YEAR OVERFLOW PIPE, WHICH WE'LL DISCHARGE INTO RIP WRAP AND THEN DOWN INTO THE LAWN AREA.
UH, AND THEN JUST THE TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPE? YES.
SO TREE REMOVAL, UM, WE, SO WHEN WE ORIGINALLY APPLIED, WE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE REMOVING THREE REGULATED TREES AND THEN WE LEARNED THAT TWO OF THEM WERE INVASIVE.
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WE ARE ONLY REMOVING ONE REGULATED TREE, BUT WE HAVE NO THREE REG.IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT TRICKY.
ALL THREE ARE REGULATED, TWO ARE INVASIVE SPECIES.
SO FOR PURPOSES OF RUNNING CALCULATIONS TO DETERMINE REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS YEAH.
BROWN POINTS THERE'S ZEROED OUT.
BUT THEN IT BECOMES AN IMPROVEMENT.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, UM, YOU DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FAIR AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING GOING BACK IN.
THAT I'M SURE EXCEEDS THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
AND WHEN YOU'RE REPLACING INVASIVE, THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, CORRECT? MM-HMM
THEY'RE NOT PLANTING INVASIVES.
WE DON'T REQUIRE THANK YOU FOR THAT.
I MEAN, THEY STILL SELL THEM STRANGELY WELL KNOW.
WELL YOU BE SURPRISED WHAT INVASIVES ARE YOU BUY, YOU CAN BUY.
I, WELL, IN FACT IT'S INTERESTING, UM, THERE'S DEBATE AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IN EVERYONE'S TIME, BUT THERE'S DEBATE ON THE CRIMSON KING NORWAY MAPLE, WHICH ARE KIND OF THE, THE DARKER REDDISH BURGUNDY MM-HMM
YOU DON'T SEE THOSE SPROUTING UP IN UNMANAGED WOODED AREAS WHERE YOU SEE THE GREEN LEAF, NORWAY MAPLE.
SO THERE'S DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE CRIMSON KING, NORWAY, MAPLE, WHAT DOES OUR CODE SAY IS ACTUALLY, UM, IS IT JUST A, A NORWAY MAPLE? A NORWAY MAPLE CODE? OUR CODE RELIES ON, UH, THE STATE CODE, WHICH IT JUST SAYS NORWAY MAPLE.
SO WE CLASSIFY THEM AS SUCH, UM, UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
BUT THE APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED EVERYTHING ON ITS PLANS AND, UM, HAS ITS LANDSCAPING PLAN UP ABOVE WHICH, UH, IS AN IMPROVEMENT AS SO THEY DO NOT HAVE REPLACE THE INVASIVE TREES OR THEY DO, IF, IF THERE WERE, LET'S JUST SAY TWO INVASIVE SPECIES PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED, TECHNICALLY THE CODE WOULD SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE.
SO THEY STAFF ALWAYS HAS A DISCUSSION WITH APPLICANTS ABOUT THE BENEFIT OF PLANTING NEW TREES.
BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, PARTICULARLY NATIVE SPECIES, ROOT STABILIZATION AND ET CETERA.
SO THEY USUALLY DO BACK SOME WITH ME ON IT.
I CAN'T SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WE, WE HEARD THE RECOMMENDATION AND WE, WE, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWED THE GUIDANCE.
I THINK IT'S GOOD TO HAVE REPLACEMENT.
AND WILLIAM'S DOING A GREAT JOB AS A NEW FORESTRY OFFICER AS WELL.
WILLIAM AND I WERE ON THE PHONE TOGETHER AND HE, HE HELPED ME WITH THE I TREAT CALCULATION.
'CAUSE I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, BUT HE TAUGHT ME HOW TO USE IT.
SO WHAT DO YOU HAVE PLANTED? BECAUSE I, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF SHRUBS IN LOWER LEVEL.
SO I MEAN, I, I'M NOT A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT'S, SO I'M GONNA USE THE COMMON NAMES.
BUT, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING FOR OCTOBER GLORY RED MAPLES, UM, AND TWO SOUR GUMS. THOSE ARE GOING ON THE SLOPE THAT'S NORTH OF THE PROPOSED EMPLOYEE LOT.
AND THEN DOWN ON THE SOUTH CURB LINE, THAT'S ALL SHRUBS.
AND THEN YOU DO HAVE TREE PROTECTION SHOWN AROUND AN EXISTING TREE UP BY THE CURB CLOSER OR MAYBE TWO, TWO TREES CLOSER TO THE CURB LINE.
UM, YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY PLANS TO, UM, REMOVE THOSE TREES.
AND UM, FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO KNOW WHAT A SOUR GUM LOOKS LIKE, THERE'S MANY COMMON NAMES, BUT WE DO HAVE A MOUNTAIN PARK.
I CALL 'EM TUPELOS
WHEN YOU PARK IN THAT AREA, HOW DO YOU GET INTO THE BUILDING? UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING A STAIRCASE FROM THE NEW EMPLOYEE LOT.
UM, AND ANOTHER PART OF THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE ARE, WE'RE NOT REMOVING OR, UM, ALTERING THE LENGTH OF THESE STALLS UP HERE.
BUT WE ARE SHIFTING THEM HORIZONTALLY JUST TO PROVIDE A SAFE CROSSING ROUTE FROM THE PROPOSED LINE.
SO THIS STAIRCASE HAS HANDRAILS AND YOU KNOW MM-HMM
LEVEL LANDINGS TOP AND BOTTOM AND THERE ARE NO A DA SPOTS IN THAT LOT.
CAN I ASK YOU, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN ANSWER THEMSELVES, BUT YOU KNOW, WE GOT A WHOLE PACKAGE OF, YOU KNOW, DEEDS.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WHERE THEY CAME FROM, UH, WHETHER WHAT DEED 40 WE PULLED THEM DOWN OR WHAT, AND I JUST GLANCE AT 'EM AND IT LISTS, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMPANY, YOU KNOW, AS THE APPLICANT AND THEN IT LISTS THE OWNER AS ASHOK FAMILY PARTNERSHIP.
BUT THIS DEED BACK IN 97 DEEDS PROPERTY TO ASH, YOU KNOW, ASHUK AND GREEN FAMILY PARTNERSHIP
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AND I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER DEED WHERE GREEN CONVEY IF THIS, IF THIS IS PART OF THE PROPERTY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UNLESS GREEN DEEDED THEIR INTEREST BACK TO ASH UP, THERE'S REALLY TWO OWNERS HERE.AND, AND AT LEAST FROM A LEASE PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE A LEASE THAT RUNS THROUGH 2030.
I, IT TO, FOR, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IN THE CONTRACT WE HAVE, IT'S THROUGH LIONEL H, CHUCK AND FAMILY, I BELIEVE IT IS.
SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH, UM, THE SECOND ENTITY THAT YOU SPOKE TO.
I CAN CERTAINLY DO SOME RESEARCH, UM, WITH OUR CORPORATION.
I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE THIS TAKE A LOOK AT, JUST ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE HOW, WHAT HAPPENED TO GREEN? YES SIR.
IT MIGHT JUST BE ANOTHER SUBSIDY OF WHAT IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER SUBSIDY, ANOTHER ENTITY.
I'M CURIOUS, WOULD THAT SPEAK TO WHO HAS THE RIGHT OF APPROVAL? IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT WELL IT YOU ALSO, I MEAN, THEORETICALLY YOU WOULD WANT THE OWNER TO BE AUTHORIZING THE APPLICANT TO DO THIS ON ITS LAND.
SO WE WOULD NEED ANOTHER AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP POTENTIALLY.
I MEAN THEY MAY JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, A A, YOU KNOW, SOME EXPLANATION AND SURE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED HERE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY DEEDS.
I MEAN, I DIDN'T READ THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION.
THIS COULD BE SOME, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT GOOD TO AFFECT US THE PROJECTS THAT RIGHT.
WHY WOULDN'T IT THOUGH? WELL, NO.
WHY ARE HE SAYING IT WOULDN'T AFFECT, WHY WOULDN'T IT? WHY WOULD IT NOT? BECAUSE, SO WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IT THERE, IT DOESN'T MATTER EITHER THEY'RE TWO OWNERS OR ONE OWNER.
BUT YOU WOULD NEED THE PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO WHATEVER THE PROPOSAL.
IN TERMS OF LAND USE ULTIMATELY.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE APPLICATION? YOU DO.
SO LET'S GET, LET'S, I DON'T, SO I HAVE A SUGGESTION.
SO I THINK, UM, AND IT'S UP TO, UP TO THE BOARD, BUT I THINK THE BOARD'S GONNA ENTERTAIN ADVANCING THIS PROJECT TOWARDS A PUBLIC HEARING.
IF WE COULD GET CLARIFICATION WITH RESPECT TO OWNERSHIP AND, UM, AHEAD OF PUBLIC HEARING STAFFS RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER PLACING THIS ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 3RD.
TOGETHER, IF YOU CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT AND KEEP US IN THE LOOP.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON, ON THIS JUST INTO THE BANK? YEAH.
UM, SO IF, SAY LIKE A, A TAX MAT LISTS THE OWNER THAT SIGNED THE OWNER'S AFFIDAVIT, WOULD THAT BE ENOUGH? LIKE IF, IF SAY THAT THIS DEED FROM 97 IS NO LONGER THE ACTUAL DEED AND SAY THAT IT IS JUST AT ED CHUCK FAMILY PARTNERSHIP AND IN THE TOWN'S RECORDS ON THE TAX MAP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WOULD THAT FULFILL THAT REQUIREMENT? I THINK THAT TASK, IF YOU COULD JUST ASK THE QUESTION OF THE YEAH.
WHAT HAPPENED WITH GREEN RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO, THAT'S ALL.
UM, I'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM A CALL TOMORROW, UM, THROUGH OUR REAL ESTATE FOLKS.
AND THERE WERE SO MANY DEEDS IN, IN THIS PILE THAT WE GOT THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER THERE COULD BE DEEDS FOR OTHER PROPERTY IN THAT WHOLE, YOU KNOW, SUBDIVISION.
AND THEY JUST THREW EVERYTHING.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT TO ASK THE REAL ESTATE AGENTS TOMORROW.
SO IT'S, IT'S GREEN RIGHT OFF OF HERE.
I'LL, I'LL JUST NEED A COPY OF THAT.
BECAUSE THEY'RE LISTING ASH AS THE OWNER AND, AND THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ASUP AND GREEN, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, UH, YOU KNOW WHO SUBMITTED ALL THIS.
THEY, I WOULD JUST BE INTERESTING.
WE LOOK FORWARD, WE'RE GONNA GET YOU INFORMATION ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NOTICE THE SIGNAGE REQUIREMENT, IT'LL HAVE TO BE PICKED UP, BUT YOU'LL HEAR FROM US BY EMAIL.
WE'LL BE COMMUNICATING ON THE MATTER IF THERE'S ANYTHING LOCALLY I NEED TO DO, IF THERE'S YOU SOMETHING I NEED TO COME SIGN OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I'M HERE TWO OR THREE TIMES A MONTH.
BE HAPPY TO COME IN, DO WHATEVER YOU NEED FROM ME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
SO, UH OH, I'M NOT FROM THERE.
OH, WE NEED TO APPROVE THE SCHEDULE.
WE HAVE THE, UH, 2026 SCHEDULE, UH, THAT OUR OFFICE MANAGER, PATRICIA, HAS ASKED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE BOARD CONSIDERS VOTING ON IT'S BEEN CIRCULATED, UM, PREVIOUSLY, SORRY.
THE ONLY, UM, DATE, THAT DATE THAT HAS COME UP, UM, THAT WOULD CONFLICT WITH OUR
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TYPICAL, UM, FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH IS, UM, FOR APRIL 1ST, 2026.'CAUSE THAT COINCIDES WITH PASSOVER.
UM, THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN IS THAT THE PREFERRED DATE WOULD BE MARCH 30TH, WHICH IS THE MONDAY OF THE SAME WEEK VERSUS PUSHING IT OVER LIKE PERHAPS TO APRIL 6TH.
SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE FIRST DAY OF THE PASSOVERS? THE FIRST OR THE, WHERE DID YOU, WHAT WAS ON IT? SO IT STATES, UH, 4 1 26 PASSOVER WITH NO WORK PERMITTED ON APRIL 2ND OR APRIL 3RD.
SO THE MARCH OR APRIL YOU'RE SAYING IS, WELL, SO THE, THE, THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING WOULD BE IN APRIL AND, AND THE WEDNESDAY BEFORE IS MARCH 30TH AND THE WEDNESDAY AFTER IS APRIL 6TH.
RIGHT? THE MONDAY, THE MONDAY BEFORE, I'M SORRY, THE MONDAY BEFORE 38TH IS A MONDAY.
SO YOU WANT TO SHIFT IT FROM FIRST TO THE 30TH, CORRECT.
YEAH, EMILY, I APPRECIATE, I DON'T KNOW YET, BUT YEAH, I THINK IT'S, WE'LL HAVE THREE MEETINGS IN MARCH.
THE LAST, THE, THE MEETING ON THE 30TH WOULD FUNCTION AS YOU KNOW, THE FIRST APRIL MEETING.
I THINK WE DID SIMILAR THIS YEAR, RIGHT? YES.
THE, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS, UM, IN 20 THIS YEAR, 2025, THE TOWN BOARD HAD, UH, SHIFTED ITS UM, AUGUST MEETING TO COINCIDE WITH THE PLANNING BOARD SCHEDULED MEETING.
AND UM, I DID SPEAK WITH A FEW TOWN BOARD MEMBERS ABOUT THAT AND THEY INDICATED THAT, UM, THAT THEY WANTED TO, THEY WOULD CHECK BUT, UM, AUGUST 5TH FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, THEY DO NOT DESIRE TO RESCHEDULE THEIR MEETINGS TO CONFLICT WITH PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS SO THAT THEY WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS OR CAN WE JUST GIVE VERBAL CONFIRMATION? UM, YEAH.
WE WOULD HAVE A VOTE AS PER MS. MCDONNA'S REQUEST.
SO, SO I, I, I, I MOVE, WE ADOPT THE SCHEDULE AS DISTRIBUTED WITH THE PASSOVER DATE BEING SET FOR MONDAY, MARCH 30TH.
CLOSE AT 9:47 PM YEAH, I'M IN