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OKAY, WELCOME, UH, TO OUR TOWN
[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 Email: HCancro@GreenburghNY.com ]
BOARD WORK SESSION.TODAY IS, UH, NOVEMBER 10TH AFTER, UH, FIVE 30.
AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA START WITH, UM, THE GENDER REVIEW.
LET'S SEE, SINCE WE WON'T OH, OH, COULD I JUST, SINCE WE WON'T, CAN I JUST BRIEFLY MENTION? SURE.
UH, COUNCILWOMAN HABER IS ON VIA ZOOM, WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH TOWN AND STATE LAW BECAUSE WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM PRESENT IN A PUBLICLY NOTICED AREA.
YEAH, I SAW THAT GINA IS IN ISRAEL, SO THAT'S EXCITING.
BUT YOU KNOW, SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE WANTED YOU TO ANNOUNCE IT EITHER.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS ON FACEBOOK.
I SAW IT ON FACEBOOK LAST NIGHT.
DO, YEAH, WE'RE ON THE SAME, UH, WAVELENGTH.
SO, SINCE GINA'S NOT HERE FOR WEDNESDAY, SHOULD WE STILL MAKE OUR PRESENTATIONS FOR THE, WELL, I KNOW THERE WERE THREE PROCLAMATIONS, RIGHT? AND I, I DIDN'T KNOW IF PEOPLE WERE COMING IN PERSON.
THERE WASN'T ANY REAL INFORMATION ABOUT IT.
I MEAN, OUR LIAISONS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING HERE UNDER PRESENTATIONS.
I MET, UM, OUR LIAISON REPORTS.
I, NO, BUT WE HAVE PRE, WE HAVE THREE PROCLAMATIONS THAT, UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE PRESENTED OR NOT AT THE TOWN BOARD MEETING FOR GOOD FOR GIRLS FOR THEIR 15TH ANNIVERSARY.
RIGHT NOW IT SAYS NOTHING UNDER IT.
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN A REQUEST, I THINK, FROM GINA TO DO THE THREE PROCLAMATIONS.
AND I WAS, I HAD ASKED A QUESTION, ARE WE PRESENTING THESE AT THE MEETING? WELL, WOULD SHE WANT US TO GIVE THEM, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S NOT HERE? I HAVE NO IDEA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT, I DON'T
WELL, I BELIEVE IT'S AN EVENT, SO MAYBE THE PROCLAMATIONS ARE TO BE GIVEN AT THE EVENT.
YEAH, JUST LIKE THE CALL I GOT WHEN I WAS IT ABOUT ONE 30 NOW.
AND THEN, AND THEN COUNCILMAN HENDRICKS WAS TALKING ABOUT LIAISON REPORTS.
ARE WE GOING TO DO THOSE? IS THAT THE QUESTION THAT WE WERE YES, YES, WE CERTAINLY CAN.
I I WOULD LIKE ACTUALLY TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION ABOUT THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD SORT OF LIKE REVIEW OUR COMMITTEE LIST AND, AND, AND DO A PRESENTATION OR A, YOU KNOW, A LIAISON REPORT ON SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T REPORTED ON YET.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF, SOMETIMES THE, THE IMPORTANT ONES GET ALL THE, ALL THE SPOTLIGHT OR THE BIGGER ONES, BUT, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMITTEES THAT WE HAVEN'T REPORTED ON.
IS THIS THE WEEK OF THE, UH, HISPANIC FLAG RAISING? NO, THAT'S THE NEXT MEETING.
WHY ARE THE FLAGS THAT HAVE STAFF IS IT FOR VETERAN'S DAY? DICK CHANEY? WELL, HE PASSED AWAY.
UH, THE QUE UH, COUNCILWOMAN, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT WHY THE FLAGS WERE HALF STAFF.
I COULD ASK DPW 'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DID IT.
I, UM, MAYBE WE SHOULD, BEFORE THEY ARE, UH, LOWERED FOR ANY OCCASION, WE SHOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AN EMAIL AROUND ABOUT WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, AUTHORIZING IT OR, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROTOCOL'S BEEN ALL THESE YEARS, BUT, OH, USUALLY WE KNOW WHY THEY'RE LOWERED
IT'S JUST, THAT WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE THE BLOWER WHEN I DROVE IN.
WELL, THE, I'VE THERE BEEN OTHER SITUATIONS RECENTLY WHERE WE'VE MADE IT NOT HAVE KNOWN THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE COMMUNICATION ABOUT IT.
WE DO THE
I WAS LOOKING UP, UH, GOOD FOR GIRLS.
THERE'S AN EVENT ON SATURDAY NIGHT, SO I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION.
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IT PLEASE? DO SHE WANTED TO DO THE 800 WORDS THATDID ANY, AND YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU TWO ARE THE DECIDERS? I'M PERFECTLY FINAL DECIDE.
UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR BETWEEN TB ONE AND TB FOUR, I, I SUPPORT ALL THESE RESOLUTIONS RELATING TO THE ONE YEAR, THE CONTRACTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'VE BEEN REACHING OUT TO, UM, VILLAGE OFFICIALS, UM, THE POINT'S BEEN MADE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY SHOULD, UM, DO THE 2026 BEFORE THE END OF 2025.
UM, BECAUSE HOW DO YOU PROPOSE WE DO THAT? WHAT, HOW DO WE PRO PROPOSE WE DO THAT? WE SHOULD, SINCE THEY ONLY THIS LAST WEEK GAVE US THE DATA FOR 2024? WELL, MY FAILING IS THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE TO, UM, BE APPROVING A CONTRACT, UM, AFTER THE SERVICES WERE, WERE RENDERED.
UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS AT THE TARRYTOWN FIREHOUSE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS WEEK, AND YOU KNOW, THE POINT WAS MADE BY, YOU KNOW, MANY FIREFIGHTERS, UH, IF YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY GOES TO A RESTAURANT AND THEN EATS THE MEAL AND THEN WALKS OUT WITHOUT PAYING, UH, IT'S THE SAME THING.
WE'RE GETTING SERVICES FROM FIRE.
I DIDN'T FRANCIS EXPLAIN THAT.
MR. SUPERVISOR, MR. SUPERVISOR, YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS.
THEY SHOULD ASK THEIR TOWN ADMINISTRATOR WHY THE INFORMATION WAS NOT PROVIDED IN A TIMELY WAY FOR US TO COMPLETE THE CONTRACT.
THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE TOWN.
NOW, GOING FORWARD, IF WE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT DOING IT NOT BE AFTERWARDS, NOT AFTER THE FACT, THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE A DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE.
NO, I, I BELIEVE, PAUL, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WHAT WEEK AGO, TWO WEEKS AGO, ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE DID NOT GET THE INFORMATION TIME, WHETHER IT'S THE, THE VILLAGE ADMINISTRATOR OR WHETHER IT'S THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GETTING THE INFORMATION TO HIM SO HE CAN GET IT TO US.
BUT IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THE RIGHT THING.
THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM OF THE TOWN.
BUT HOW CAN WE, THEY'RE CRITICIZING THE TOWN, AND LET'S BE VERY CLEAR, WE HAD MAYOR BROWN SIT HERE AND SAY, WE DON'T PAY OUR BILLS ON TIME.
YOU DON'T GET, OKAY, WELL, LET ME, THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN HAD TO PROVIDE US THE DATA FOR 2024 CONTRACT.
THEY GAVE IT TO OUR TOWN ATTORNEY LAST WEEK FOR 2024, BUT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF YOU'VE BEEN SAYING, I WANT THEM TO CUT IT, CUT A CHECK FOR TARRYTOWN.
WHAT AMOUNT? WE DON'T MAKE IT UP.
WELL, LET ME JUST, LET ME SAY SOMETHING WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY POINTING FINGERS? NO POINTING FINGERS.
NO, NO, I'M DEFINITELY POINTING FINGERS.
BUT, BUT FOR, FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS THEY'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, HEY, YOU'RE NOT PAYING THE BILL.
THE VILLAGE ADMINISTRATOR NEVER GAVE US THE BILL.
OKAY, WELL, LET ME JUST SAY SOMETHING.
ALL I SAID A COUPLE MINUTES AGO IS MY CONCERN IS GOING FORWARD, SO GOING FORWARD, I'M SAYING FOR ALL THE VILLAGE CONTRACTS, R LEE, UM, HASTINGS, UM, ELMSFORD, AND TARRYTOWN, UH, IRVINGTON, ALL THE ONES THAT WE'RE DOING GOING FORWARD SHOULD BE RESOLVED BEFORE THE END OF THE, THE YEAR.
BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE HAVE, IF WE COULD WORK, YOU KNOW, WORK THIS OUT WITH THE VILLAGES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE FINALIZING CONTRACTS FOR FIRE PROTECTION SERVICES, UH, BEFORE THE END OF, BEFORE THE START OF THE CONTRACT, UH, THEN WE WON'T HAVE A DISPUTE.
I JUST FIND IT, IT SEEMS TO ME RIDICULOUS NOT TO PAY A BILL AFTER WE GOT THE SERVICES.
BECAUSE WHAT ARE WE, WHEN DID WE GET THE BILL? WHEN DID WE GET THE BILL? BUT I'M NOT TALKING, I'M TALKING ABOUT WE DIDN'T GET THE BILL UNTIL LAST WEEK FOR 2024.
I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ACTUALLY THAT WE ALL THINK THAT THE BILLS SHOULD BE PAID UPON RECEIPT.
NUMBER ONE, THAT THE BILLS SHOULD BE SUBMITTED PRIOR TO WHEN THEY'RE SUBMITTED.
WHAT YOU SEEM TO BE, WHAT YOU SEEM TO BE RESPONDING TO, HOWEVER, IS THE NEGATIVITY ON THE PART OF FIREFIGHTERS FOR NOT HAVING SENT THE CHECK.
MAYBE THOSE FIREFIGHTERS WERE NOT AWARE, DON'T HAVE A BILL, THAT WE HAD NOT RECEIVED THE INVOICES, THAT WE DIDN'T GET THE BILL.
SO, SO IT, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU ARE CORRECT, IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THE VILLAGES TO GET THE BILLS TO US MU TO GET THE BILLS AND THE BACKUP INFORMATION TO US MUCH SOONER BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCREPANCY IN THE
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BACKUP AND THE BILLS PRIOR TO THIS.SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE BEING REALLY CAREFUL SO THAT WE'RE NOT PAYING MONEY OUTTA POCKET THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE PAYING.
WELL IN ADDITION, IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, IS TO PAY IS TO PAY AFTER THE FACT.
THAT'S BEEN A PRACTICE FOR HOW LONG? THAT IT DEPENDS ON THE VILLAGE.
SOME VILLAGES, THE WAY THEY HAVE IT STRUCTURED IS THAT THEY GET PAID AFTER THE FACT.
SOME HAVE IT SO THAT IT'S IN THE CURRENT YEAR, IT'S WHATEVER THE VILLAGE PREFERS, BUT, WELL, WELL, OKAY, SO THAT BEING SAID, SO WAIT, I'M NOT DONE.
THAT BEING SAID, SUPERVISOR, IF YOU WANT IMPLEMENT A DIFFERENT PROCESS, THAT MEANS A, A, A REHAUL OF THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
AND NOT USING THE SPECIFIC TARRYTOWN EXAMPLE AS AN EXAMPLE.
'CAUSE THAT ISN'T NOT REALLY RELEVANT TO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING FORWARD.
YOU WANT TO DO IT IN REAL TIME, THAT'S FINE.
LET'S NOT REFER BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
SO, WELL, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS I'M GONNA REACH OUT TO ALL THE VILLAGES AND SAY, I WOULD LIKE IT IF WE COULD BEFORE THE END OF 2025, GET THEIR PROPOSED, UM, YOU KNOW, CONTRACT AND RESOLVE EVERYTHING BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.
UM, SO THIS WAY, UH, WE ARE NOT GONNA BE, UH, VOTING TWO YEARS AFTER THE FACT ON, UH, HOW MUCH, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING THEM BECAUSE, SO, SO I'M, I'LL TAKE THAT INITIATIVE, SEE WHAT THE REACTION IS, AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A BETTER PRACTICE, UH, TO PAY BILL TO, TO HAVE A CONTRACT BEFORE THE FACT THEN, UH, THEN WORRY ABOUT IT TWO YEARS LATER.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GO, WE CAN'T SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY YOU.
WHEN WE GOT THE SERVICES, NOBODY SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA PAY YOU, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A BILL SENT TO US, ITEMIZED WITH THE COSTS.
AND LET'S BE VERY CLEAR, WHAT HAPPENED WITH TARRYTOWN IS THAT THEY WERE OVERCHARGING THE UNINCORPORATED RESIDENTS IN THE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT, AND THEY WERE DOING THAT FOR YEARS.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY ADDING 35% TO THE BILL SO THAT THE VILLAGE WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP BASICALLY A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE MONEY INSTEAD OF 65% WITH 35% GOING TO THE FIRE COMPANIES.
HOW DO WE GET THAT REIMBURSEMENT? I HAVE NO IDEA.
WE HAVE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT TARRYTOWN WAS OVERCHARGING THE PEOPLE IN THE GLENVILLE FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT FOR YEARS.
NO OTHER DISTRICT WAS DOING THAT.
SO WHEN YOU SAY PAY IT UPON RECEIPT, THE CONTROLLER, LIKE THE CONTROLLER DID SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IS GONNA LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE.
IT'S REALLY UP TO THE, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE CONTROLLER.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, I JUST HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER FA, UH, APPARENTLY THERE WAS A EMAIL FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT ASKED, UH, ALL GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS TO LOWER THE FLAGS FOR HALF STAFF IN RESPECT OF, UH, UH, MR. CHENEY.
AND THAT'S A FEDERAL, THAT'S A FEDERAL, UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCRETION ON.
I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T DO IT FOR, FOR IN THE SITUATION, BUT THAT'S, WE ONLY HAVE, THAT ONLY HAS TO BE FOLLOWED IF IT'S A FEDERAL BUILDING OR A MILITARY RIGHT.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I HAVE, UH, A QUESTION ABOUT, NO, IS 82 RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RETENTION OF JOHN DASH IN THE MATTER OF DEBORAH VORE AS ADMINISTRATIVE OF THE STATE OF STEPHANIE CAVO IS OH, UH, I'M SORT OF WONDER, AND THE AMOUNT IS NOT TO EXCEED $12,000.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SO CLEAR THAT, UH, I AGREE.
RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE HANDLED INTERNALLY RATHER THAN USE AN OUTSIDE LAWYER BECAUSE I FEEL IT'S JUST A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A $20 MILLION SUIT.
I HIGHLY SUGGEST WE SPEND THE $12,000 TO GET AN OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT SOURCE ON THIS AND THAT, AND THAT IS WHAT SPECIAL COUNSEL'S SUGGESTING AS WELL.
IT'D BE HIGHLY UNUSUAL TO PREPARE FOR A TRIAL WITHOUT THAT INFORMATION.
I I SEE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM THOUGH.
IS IT FOR INVESTIGATIVE WORK? YES.
I, I JUST STILL FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.
IT'S, IT'S INVESTIGATIVE WORK.
SO THEREIN LIES A DISTINCTION, MR. SUPERVISOR.
I'M NOT SURE IF I'M GONNA ABSTAIN OR WHAT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'LL THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, UM, I I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THE, UM, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE TOWN IS NOT CULPABLE THAT SITUATION.
DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND IT.
SO, SO HE WILL DEFEND, HE IS A EXPERIENCED ACCIDENT RECONSTRUCTION EXPERT AND COULD
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PUT TOGETHER THE ACCIDENT AND SHOW HOW IT HAPPENED AND WHY IT HAPPENED.AND THAT'S A, A FORENSIC, UM, UNDERTAKING.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOO HARD BECAUSE IT'S ON VIDEO.
BUT IT IS, IT IS A, THAT'S NOT WHAT NECESSARILY WE HAVE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE CAPABILITIES IN HOUSE TO DO THAT IN THE CAPACITY.
ANYTHING ELSE WITH THE, WITH THE PLANNING BOARD HEARINGS? SO THERE IS ONE THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS WEDNESDAY, UM, THAT PROPOSED LOCAL LAW.
WOULD REDUCE, EXCUSE ME, WOULD INCREASE THE ALTERNATE BY ONE GOING FROM ONE ALTERNATE TO TWO ALTERNATES.
UM, WE KIND OF HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPOSAL TO NOT ONLY ADD AN ALTERNATE, BUT TO ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS FROM SEVEN TO FIVE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HELD OVER.
IT'S NOT IN THE CLERK'S PORTION OF THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.
THIS WAS POINTED OUT TO ME, ACTUALLY, I HAD THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN PUBLIC HEARINGS AS WELL.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S BASICALLY TWO TRACKS HERE THAT FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO CONSIDER AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO WEIGH IN ON, BOTH INCLUDE AN INCREASE OF ONE ALTERNATE MEMBER.
HOWEVER, ONE KEEPS THE NUMBER OF FULL-TIME PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THE SAME AT SEVEN.
ONE WOULD REDUCE IT TO FIVE, BUT WE'RE KIND OF GONNA BE ON TWO SEPARATE TRACKS HERE.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD ACTUALLY HOLD OVER BOTH SO THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING 'EM THE SAME NIGHT.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE A DISCUSSION THOUGH ABOUT THEM? WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED EITHER WITH HIM.
WELL, PAUL HELD OVER THE SCHEDULING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE CAN'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAVE TO NOW ON WEDNESDAY PUT ON TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IT JUST DELAYS ANOTHER TWO WEEKS OF US, UH, ADDRESSING THE ISSUES WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, WELL LAST WEEK.
SO WE CAN DISCUSS THE WORK SESSION, THE PROS AND CONS OF THE TWO SCENARIOS WE COULD.
ANYTHING ELSE? WORK SESSION OR EXECUTIVE SESSION? THAT'D BE WORK SESSION.
UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EMPLOYMENT, FINANCIAL HISTORIES RIGHT.
I JUST WANTED, IF YOU'RE JUST TALKING OVER A STRUCTURE, THAT'S OPEN SESSION.
RIGHT? SO YOU'RE TALKING GONNA TALK ABOUT IT IN WORK SESSION NEXT WEEK? NEXT WEEK.
I WON'T, I WILL NOT BE HERE FOR WORK SESSION NEXT WEEK.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE TAKING OFF THE PUBLIC HEARING, EXCUSE ME, MY PHONE.
SO THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BECOME SCHEDULING THAT HEARING AND THE SECOND ONE WE'RE GONNA HOLD OVER.
SCHEDULING AND THEN HOLD RIVER.
SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE SCHEDULED, UM, DECEMBER 10TH AND 17TH AS TOWN BOARD MEETINGS IN DECEMBER.
ARE WE ALSO PLANNING ON HAVING ONE MONDAY OF CHRISTMAS WEEK, WHICH WE TYPICALLY DO, BUT WITH THE WAY THE BUDGET FALLS, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR.
I'M JUST CURIOUS FOR SCHEDULING PURPOSES.
WELL, ONCE WE VOTE ON THE BUDGET, SORRY, ON THE 17TH, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH DONE, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD THINK.
IT'S JUST THE WAY THE, THE CALENDAR FALLS.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THE 10TH AND THE 17TH.
BUT THE 17TH IS NOT A LONG MEETING.
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SEVEN 17TH IS, I CAN'T SEE.I'M ALREADY COMMITTED FROM THE LISTENING FOR THE LISTENING CIRCLE.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE VOTED ON THE BUDGET.
WELL WE HAD, I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING IT THE 10TH AND THE 22ND.
I GUESS WE CAN'T HAVE IT THE 22ND BECAUSE IT'S AFTER THE 20TH AND YOU HAVE TO ADOPT THE BUDGET BY THE 20TH.
WELL, I WILL, UH, HAVE, YES, THAT'S FOR ME AND HOUSEHOLD AND JACKSON ARE GOING TO BE, UH, DOING THAT.
YEAH, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
YOU NEED TO VOTE, VOTE ON THE BUDGET.
SO THIS WAY IF WE WANT TO INTRODUCE PEOPLE, WE'LL HONOR PEOPLE HAVE A CEREMONY.
UM, WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE OR DO YOU WANNA LEAVE IT AT SEVEN 30? BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I I COULD GO WITH ANYONE IN GENERAL, HAVE MEETINGS AT SEVEN OR SEVEN 15 SO THAT WE CAN GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATIONS QUICKLY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, I'M SAYING JUST I THINK, NO, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE, I THINK WHAT IS BEING SAID IS THAT IF THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PRESENTATIONS AND A SPECIAL LIKE HERITAGE PRESENTATION, WE WOULD START AT SEVEN.
BUT IN GENERAL WE WOULD START AT SEVEN 30.
HOWEVER, THIS, THIS GOES BACK TO LIKE THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHEN WE'RE, WHAT KIND OF PRESENTATIONS WE'RE DOING.
I, I FEEL LIKE I NEVER KNOW UNTIL THE, UH, THE MEETING ITSELF WHAT EXACTLY THE PRESENTATIONS ARE, THE LENGTH OF 'EM.
UM, WE SHOULD, I THINK, AGREE TO DISCUSS PRESENTATIONS OF ANY KIND IN THE WEEK BEFORE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THEIR LENGTHS AND THEIR CONTENT, UH, THAT'S HOW WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE THE MEETING AT SEVEN OR SEVEN 30.
WELL, I COULD, WHEN I INVITE SOMEBODY TO DO A PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, I'VE, IN THE PAST, IN RECENT MONTHS, I'VE LIMITED IT TO FIVE MINUTES PER, UH, YOU KNOW, PER INDIVIDUAL THAT THEY NEVER LAST FIVE MINUTES.
WELL, AND THEN YOU INVITE PEOPLE UP TO COME TALK WELL AFTER THE FEE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S WAY LONGER THAN THAT.
WELL THEN I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF IF YOU FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL LET EVERYBODY KNOW, UM, BEFORE WHEN I'M INVITING SOMEBODY TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND THEN YOU COULD DECIDE.
BUT I, MY FEELING IS THAT IF, UH, WE STARTED THE MEETING EARLIER, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING THAT WE'RE GETTING OUT, YOU KNOW, TOO LATE, WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE WILL KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH THE TOWN BUSINESS BEGINNING AT SEVEN 30.
SO, HEY, ARE, ARE YOU, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE JOY, UH, COUNCILWOMAN HABER HAD ONE INTERPRETATION OF WHAT YOU SAID, AND I HAD ANOTHER, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT EVERY MEETING REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION, LIKE A FLAG RAISING? OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST IN THOSE INSTANCES WHEN WE HAVE SCHEDULED SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW WILL TAKE A LONGER TIME, I I, MY PERSONAL FEELING IS, WOULD BE BETTER OFF BEING MORE CONSISTENT.
UM, AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, EVERY MEETING'S STARTING AT SEVEN 15 INSTEAD OF SEVEN 30 OR SEVEN O'CLOCK INSTEAD OF SEVEN 30.
BECAUSE THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE MEETINGS THERE, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PRESENTATIONS OR, OR SOMETHING.
AND THIS WAY, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD START THE REGULAR PORTION OF THE MEETING CLOSER TO SEVEN 30.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO YOU.
I WELL THEN WE'LL HAVE TO RE-NOTICE THE MEETINGS IF THAT'S THE CASE ACTUALLY.
WELL, AND THEN OFFICIALLY THE MEETING STARTS.
DOES THE MEETING INCLUDE THE PRESENTATIONS OR WE DOING PRESENTATION SECTION AND THEN STARTING THE MEETING? THE MEETING WOULD START AT SEVEN 15 THEN INSTEAD OF SEVEN 30.
BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT IS FOR THE PEOPLE.
BECAUSE THE WHOLE POINT IS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING HONORED OR RECOGNIZED TO HAVE THE, UM, TO BE PRESENTING BEFORE THE ENTIRE TOWN BOARD.
AND IF WE START 15 MINUTES AFTER EVERYBODY LEAVES, UM, YOU BEFORE EVERYBODY SHOWS UP, THEN IT, IT REDUCE IMPACT.
I THINK YOU MISUNDER YOU MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I SAID.
WHEN YOU START THE MEETING, THE PRESENTATIONS ARE NOT PART OF THE MEETING PER SE.
PRESENTATIONS ARE JUST PRESENTATIONS.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE PART OF THE BUSINESS OF
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THE MEETING.THEY CAN JUST BE A SEPARATE SECTION THAT WE START, THAT WE DO BEFORE WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE MEETING AND START THE MEETING OFFICIALLY.
I, I THINK THAT I, I DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT EITHER.
I THINK I, I, I THINK IF WE START AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, EVENTUALLY SOME THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE WE HAVING TO WAIT AROUND AFTER SEVEN O'CLOCK FOR ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS
YOU KNOW, UH, I WAS JUST, I CAN SEE IF YOU WANT, I'M SORRY.
IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANNA MOVE IT TO SEVEN O'CLOCK, UM, BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA AVOID PEOPLE SAYING, WHY ARE WE DOING THESE PRESENTATIONS? THEY'RE A WASTE OF TIME.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I, I THINK PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT GONNA WANT US TO SPEND TIME DOING PRESENTATIONS.
'CAUSE WE COULD HAVE STARTED THE MEETING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, THE ACTUAL MEETING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
AND OKAY, THEN WE'LL MAKE IT SIX 30 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, NO.
WELL, SO, SO AS AN EXAMPLE, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I WORKED AT THE BOARD OF LEGISLATORS FOR A LONG TIME.
WE WOULD, WHEN WE DID HERITAGE PRESENTATIONS, CELEBRATIONS, WE WOULD, WHEN WE HAD THOSE, WE WOULD START AT SEVEN, RIGHT? 7, 7 30.
AND THEN THE OFFICIAL MEETING WOULD START.
AND THAT WHEN PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THEY WANT TO COME JUST FOR THAT PART, THEY'RE THERE FROM 7, 7 30 AND THE MIDDLE OF THE BUSINESS STARTS AT SEVEN 30.
SO WHEN DO YOU VERY WELL DO, WHEN DO YOU DO THE PLEDGE BEFORE OR AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS? UM, I WOULD DO IT AFTER ACTUALLY.
AND WHAT DOES THE COUNTY LEGISLATORS DO? I WE DID IT AFTER.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT JUST MAKES IT SEEM LIKE THEY SHOWING, YOU KNOW, WE MAY TWICE.
WHAT, WHEN I WAS A COUNTY LEGISLATOR, THE PRESENTATIONS WERE DONE AFTER, AFTER THE EVERYBODY, UH, DID THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO ME, I, I THINK IT'S NICE IF YOU'RE HONORING SOMEBODY THAT THEY BE PART OF THE MEETING.
WE WANT, IF WE WANNA START EARLIER, WE CAN START EARLIER.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO STOP PEOPLE FROM COMPLAINING THAT WHY ARE WE WASTING TIME AT PRESENTATIONS? WELL, BUT THEY'LL KNOW THAT BY SEVEN 30, THE MEETING ITSELF WILL START MAKING COMMENT AT THAT TIME.
WE, WE COULD, WE, IF WE HAVE TO RE-NOTICE IT, WE COULD, WE COULD DISCUSS IT.
NO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START THIS THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PUT OUT THE NOTICE FOR THIS YEAR IS ALREADY OUT.
AND YOU HAVE THE REORG DOCUMENT AND YOUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND YOUR LIAISON REPORTS, UH, THAT YOU CAN PUT TOGETHER ALL THAT STUFF IN JANUARY.
UM, QUESTION FOR YOU, JUST, UM, REGARDING THE PRESENTATIONS, IF, IF THEY WERE CLEARLY, UM, PUT ON THE AGENDA WITH DETAILS AS OPPOSED TO ONE LINE, AND THEN, UH, WE DO NOT, WE CANNOT ASSESS.
WE CAN'T ASSESS, GET SOME SPECIFICS.
WE JUST NEED SOME MORE SPECIFICS BECAUSE THEN, UM, THEN WE CAN DETERMINE IS IT REALLY GONNA BE 10 MINUTES OR IF IT NEEDS TO GO ON ANOTHER WEEK.
SO IF WE HAVE MORE DETAIL, SO WE, WE, YOU, WE CAN TAKE THIS YEAR AND LOOK AT, OKAY, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THE BUSINESS OF THE MONTH, THAT'S GONNA TAKE APPROXIMATELY 15 MINUTES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, WE, WE CAN GO BY WHAT WE'VE DONE AND HOW IT'S LASTED.
SO, BUT AGAIN, TO COUNCILMAN SHEEN AND TO MR. KO'S POINT, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO A MEETING CHANGE, IT HAS TO BE OFFICIALLY OKAY.
SO WHAT, ARE WE PUTTING THIS AGENDA REGARDING PRESENTATIONS SAYING GOOD FOR GIRLS, OR ARE YOU SURE SUPERVISOR FINER HERE,
I, I TEND TO THINK IF GINA DID NOT REQUEST IT, SHE WAS JUST, SHE WAS PLANNING ON ATTENDING THE EVENT GOOD FOR GIRLS ON SATURDAY AND WANTED TO BRING THE PROCLAMATIONS WITH HER.
BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE NICE TO MAKE MENTION OF IT.
UH, BUT I, WE DON'T WELL THAT'S, THAT'S AN ANNOUNCEMENT MAYBE THE CLERK CAN MAKE, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, AND, AND ALSO JUST GOING FORWARD, IF WE CLARIFY THESE THINGS AHEAD OF TIME, WHEN WE KNOW THIS IS FOR THE ACTUAL PRE PRESENTATION OF THE MEETING OR IT'S FOR AN EVENT, IT'LL HELP US ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING.
SO, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE'RE TAKING PRESENTATIONS OFF.
AND THEN I'LL ADD GOOD FOR GIRLS UNDER MY COMMENTS, DOWN UNDER, UNDER YOUR COMMENTS.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS IN INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.