[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AGENDA THURSDAY, November 20, 2025 – 7:00 P.M. ]
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WE WILL NOW TAKE THE ROLL CALL OF THE BOARD.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR ROLL CALL, MADAM CHAIR.
UH, THE MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
WE HAVE SEVEN CASES SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, HOWEVER, ZBA CASE 25 17 ROLLING, MY AT COLWELL WAY IS CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY AND ZBA CASE 25 20.
WISDOM 10 MAPLEWOOD ROAD HAS BEEN TABLED TO A FUTURE UNSPECIFIED DATE AT THIS TIME.
LOOKING FORWARD, THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON THURSDAY, DECEMBER 18TH.
PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDAR ACCORDINGLY.
BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CASES WE HEAR TONIGHT, WE MAY LIMIT TIME TO HEAR EACH CASE.
IF WE CANNOT FINISH HEARING A CASE, IT WILL BE ADJOURNED TO ANOTHER MEETING TO BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME, AS IN THE PAST.
IN ORDER TO SAVE TIME, WE WILL WAIVE THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH CASE.
HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD.
THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TONIGHT'S CASES, THE BOARD WILL MEET TO DISCUSS EACH CASE.
EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS AT THAT TIME, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE.
AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS ON ALL THE CASES, WE WILL ANNOUNCE THE BOARD'S DECISION FOR THE FORMAL RECORD AND TO BE BROADCAST TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, PLEASE COME UP TO THE MACRO MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.
WE'VE HEARD TESTIMONY ON SOME OF THESE CASES AT PRIOR MEETINGS.
ALL PRIOR TESTIMONY IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD AND SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED.
THE FIRST CASE WE WILL HEAR TESTIMONY ON TONIGHT IS CASE 25 31 METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE LORD.
I'M HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
UH, THE CLUB IS LOCATED AT 2 89.
CAN YOU UNMUTE YOUR MIC? OH, OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS ANNIE KLEIN.
I'M AN ASSOCIATE AT DELBELLO DANNEL AND WEINGART AND WEISMAN WHITAKER HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
UH, METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB IS LOCATED AT TWO EIGHTY NINE DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 127 ACRES AND IS LOCATED IN THE R 20 DISTRICT OF THE TOWN.
UM, IT IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS A PRIVATE CLUB OR SOCIAL CLUB OPERATED BY A NONPROFIT MEMBERSHIP CORPORATION EXCLUSIVELY FOR MEMBERS AND THEIR GUESTS, WHICH REQUIRES A SPECIAL PERMIT FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
OVER THE HISTORY OF THE CLUB, THEY HAVE RECEIVED AMEN, THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND AMENDMENTS TO THE SPECIAL PERMIT WHEN, UM, THINGS HAVE HAPPENED AT THE CLUB AS WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY.
UH, SO WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING TO REPLACE IN KIND THE TWO EXISTING STAFF HOUSING BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY WITH ONE NEWER AND MORE EFFICIENT MODULAR BUILDING IN THE SAME LOCATION.
UH, THE TWO BUILDINGS ARE CURRENTLY APPROXIMATELY 5,230 SQUARE FEET AND OCCUPY AN APPROXIMATELY 3,600 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
WE ARE PROPOSING ONE BUILDING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 5,215 SQUARE FEET WITH A SMALLER BUILDING FOOTPRINT OF, UH, APPROXIMATELY A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET SMALLER BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
UM, IN ADDITION, THERE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION OF RETRAINING WALLS, PADS FOR HVAC SYSTEMS, ACCESS STAIRS TO THE SECOND FLOOR, AND WE'RE ADDING TWO A DA PARKING SPACES IN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT, UM, ADJACENT TO THE STAFF HOUSING FACILITY.
UM, THERE WILL ULTIMATELY BE A REDUCTION OF APPROXIMATELY 630 SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IN THE AREA OF THE STAFF HOUSING BUILDINGS.
UM, SO WE'RE HERE TONIGHT SEEKING AN AMENDED SPECIAL PERMIT, UH, FROM YOUR BOARD TO PERMIT THE MODIFICATIONS TO, TO THE THE NEW STAFF HOUSING BUILDING
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AND ALSO TWO AREA VARIANCES.UM, ONE TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM 12 FEET TO 22.8 FEET.
WE NOTE THAT THIS IS STILL GOING TO BE VISUALLY SHORTER IN HEIGHT THAN THE EXISTING STAFF, FACIL STAFF, HOUSING FACILITY BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE NOW.
AND ALSO, UM, A VARIANCE TO PERMIT THE DECREASE IN THE MINIMUM REQUIRED SETBACK FROM A BUILDING TO ANY STREET OR LOT LINE, WHICH IS PART OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT REQUIREMENTS FOR A MEMBERSHIP CLUB FROM 200 FEET TO 19 FEET.
UH, CURRENTLY THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, SO WE WILL BE PUSHING THEM BACK FOR APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET.
WE'RE ALSO, I'M GONNA HAND IT OVER TO, UH, ZACH PEARSON, OUR ENGINEER, BUT WE WILL ALSO BE ADDING LANDSCAPE MITIGATION ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH DOES NOT EXIST THERE CURRENTLY.
UM, SO WE RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT THE BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT TO SUPPLY NEWER AND BETTER HOUSING FOR THEIR STAFF OUTWEIGHS ANY DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
AS I SAID, WE'RE ACTUALLY IMPROVING CONDITIONS IN THIS AREA OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND I'M GONNA WITH THAT, TURN IT OVER TO ZACH TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLANS.
MAD CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, ZACH PEARSON WITH INSIDE ENGINEERING.
UM, AS ANNIE HAS STATED, UM, THIS IS AN EXISTING CONDITIONS PLAN HERE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS, UM, FOR STAFF HOUSING.
UH, THIS IS CINO PLACE JUST FOR REFERENCE.
UM, AS I WORK OUR WAY DOWN HERE, THIS IS THE PROPOSED LAYOUT PLAN.
WE ARE PROPOSING SOME EVERGREEN SCREENING BETWEEN THE PROPOSED BUILDING AND THE EXISTING PROPERTY LINE.
UH, TWO, TWO HANDICAPPED SPACES.
UM, DEVELOPMENT SHIFTS A LITTLE BIT TO THE, TO THE WEST JUST FURTHER AWAY AS WE CONSOLIDATE TWO BUILDINGS INTO ONE.
UM, OVERALL BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, AS ANDY STATED, IS 22.8 FEET.
UM, BASED ON THE, THE HEIGHT MEASUREMENT FOR THE TOWN, BASED ON THE AVERAGE GRADE AROUND THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE LOWER.
THE EVE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE LOWER THAN THE EXISTING BUILDING IS NOW.
UM, SIMPLE SIDE PLAN, WE'RE JUST GONNA CATCH THE STORM WATER FROM AROUND THE BUILDING AND DISCHARGE IT UNDER THE, TO A LEVEL SPREADER AND LET IT COME BACK ACROSS THE GOLF COURSE.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
DO YOU HAVE ANY RENDERINGS? I DO, YEAH.
I HAVE AN EXISTING, UH, PICTURE.
SHOULD I HAVE TO SHARE THE SCREEN AGAIN? THAT'S THE, THAT'S ONE OF THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS, THE SAME LOCATION AND I HAVE TO SHARE IT EVERY TIME.
THAT WOULD BE A RENDERING OF, OF WHAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THAT EXACT LOCATION.
JUST A REFERENCE FOR WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I HAVE A, I HAVE A VIEW FROM LOOKING FROM THE COURSE END, KIND OF HIDDEN BEHIND SOME OF THE EXISTING TREES FROM THE COURSE SIDE.
UM, BUT JUST FOR SCALE, I MEAN, THAT'S A TWO STORY BUILDING.
THE OTHER ONE'S A TWO STORY BUILDING, UM, OBVIOUSLY UPDATED, YOU KNOW, BUILDING TREATMENTS, SIDING, THINGS LIKE THAT VERSUS THE EXISTING.
SO THE OBVIOUS QUESTION IS WHY ARE YOU GOING FROM THE REQUIRED 200 FEET TO ONLY 19 FEET? SO THE, YOU I CAN TAKE A STEP.
SO THE, THE 200 FEET IS, IS BASED ON THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THE CLUB.
THAT'S THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
WELL, FOR ANY S FOR ANY, ANY STRUCTURE.
UM, THIS, WE'RE REBUILDING IN THE SAME LOCATION AS THE EXISTING STAFF HOUSE, WHICH IS 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE'RE TAKING THE TWO BUILDINGS, MAKING IT ONE AND PULLING IT ANOTHER FOUR FEET FURTHER FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'RE JUST REBUILDING IN THE SAME LOCATION.
I'M SORRY, DID YOU SAY THAT BEFORE AND I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND? OH, YEAH, NO.
UM, SO IT'S AN INKIND REPLACEMENT, SO WE'RE BUILDING
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THEM IN THE EXACT LOCATION.IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA BECAUSE IT'S AN INKIND REPLACEMENT.
SO REALLY THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE REQUESTING THIS SETBACK IS, UM, THE EXISTING BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT 70 YEARS.
UM, SO THEY DID NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE WHEN THEY WERE PUT IN, BUT THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DETERMINED THAT NOW THAT WE'RE COMING IN TO REPLACE THEM, WE DO IN FACT NEED A VARIANCE, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE JUST PUTTING THEM IN THE SAME LOCATION WHERE THE TWO BUILDINGS ARE TODAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT COLOR ARE THEY GONNA BE? THE
IS IT THE GRAYISH? UH, I'M ANDY NATHAN.
THE PRESIDENT OF THE CLUB, AND I'M COLORBLIND, BUT, UH, I, I, SO IT'S A NICE COLOR.
IT IS A LIGHTER COLOR THAN THAT RENDERING WAS.
I BELIEVE IT IS A SORT OF A TOI GRAY, UH, AS I RECALL.
AND THE HIGHLIGHTS AROUND WINDOWS, UH, AND EAVES WILL BE, UH, IN SOME CASES WIDEN IN SOME CASES BLACK TO CREATE A CONTRAST.
SO, SO WILL THIS STAND OUT CONSIDERABLY FROM THE STREET? WELL, UH, WE DON'T, WE THINK IT WILL STAND OUT LESS THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING LANDSCAPE SCREENING.
WE'RE, UH, THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING, IT'S, IT GOES FROM TWO BUILDINGS TO A SMALLER SCALE IN ONE BUILDING.
UH, AND THE, THE COLOR WAS THE COLORS, WHICH I'M INACCURATE ABOUT TO A DEGREE, WERE ACTUALLY PICKED TO BLEND AWAY SO THAT THEY, THEY FADE AWAY TO THE EYE.
BUT WE'VE GOT BOTH, UM, EVERGREEN TREES AND THEN FULL-GROWN TREES THAT LOSE THEIR LEAVES IN THE WINTER, IN THE SUMMER.
IT SHOULD FADE AWAY MEANINGFULLY, BUT, UH, IT WILL HAVE LESS OF AN IMPACT THAN WHAT'S THERE TODAY.
I WAS NO, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY NEXT QUESTION.
UM, I WAS MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO MY HEARING AID, SO I GUESS MAYBE I DIDN'T NOTICE.
DO YOU HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS WHERE THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE LOCATED? SURE.
SO THE, THE TWO, THE TWO RECTANGLES THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE, AND HERE ARE THE TWO EXISTING BUILDINGS, RIGHT? THIS BUILDING IS 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE OTHER, THE PICTURE I SHOWED YOU WAS THIS LARGER STRUCTURE.
WE'RE TAKING THOSE TWO AND MAKING IT ONE BUILDING RIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO, WHERE THE TWO OF THEM WERE, WE'RE PROPOSING EVERGREEN SCREENING THE EXISTING VEGETATION ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY WILL REMAIN, UM, SORRY, I, I GO PAST THAT LOCATION FREQUENTLY.
JUST TRYING TO PICTURE WHERE THAT IS.
SO I, I'LL PULL UP, UH, I HAVE A GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE THAT SHOULD PROBABLY HELP YOU.
KEY THAT IN A LITTLE BIT IS THE STREET, BEHIND THE STREET JUST BEFORE YOU GET HERE.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS ARGENTINO PLACE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE STAFF HOUSING BUILDING, RIGHT WHERE THE, I'LL TAKE MY, IT HAS SAYS STAFF HOUSE ON IT AND NANCY, NANCY PLACE SLASH DOWNING WAY OR DOWNING DRIVE WEST WOULDN'T SEE IF IS OVER HERE.
UH, THE RIGHT WHERE THE, SEE IT SAYS STAFF HOUSE.
SO THERE'S A, YOU CAN SEE A WOOD LINE THAT RUNS RIGHT ALONG THE CLUB'S PROPERTY LINE THAT'S GONNA REMAIN UNTOUCHED.
THE ONE BUILDING, THE ONE WHERE IT SAYS STAFF HOUSE, THAT'S THE LARGER OF THE TWO BUILDINGS AND THE OTHER ONE IS ACTUALLY TUCKED UNDER THE TREE, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
I'LL PUT MY POINTER ON IT RIGHT THERE.
SO BUILDING ONE, BUILDING TWO, AND THEN OUR BUILDING KIND OF GOES WHERE THE HAND IS IN BETWEEN TWO.
WHICH HOLE IS THAT? THIS IS HOLE 11.
SO IS THE GLASS IN THE WINDOWS, UH,
WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE VEGETATION ON OUR SIDE AND, AND, AND ADD SOME AS WELL.
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HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THE SCREENING THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN WITH THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER? I SPECIFICALLY, NO.I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA NEED A TREE PERMIT PRIOR TO, YOU KNOW, EITHER TAKING ANY TREES OR ADDING TREES, SO, OKAY.
IT'S ALL PART OF THE CALCULATIONS.
UM, YEAH, I, I CAN JUST ADD TO THAT, WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVE AN APPLICATION WITH THE TOWN BOARD FOR, UM, SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, UM, FOR THIS APPLICATION.
UM, AND WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THAT, IT WAS DETERMINED WE NEEDED THESE TWO VARIANCES.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
BUT THERE'S ALSO AN APPLICATION PENDING WITH THE TOWN BOARD, UM, BASED ON WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE.
IT'S JUST SOMETIMES WHEN WE, IF, IF WE WERE TO GRANT THE VARIANT, SOMETIMES WE REQUIRE AS A CONDITION SCREENING MM-HMM
AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED POTENTIALLY.
I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE DOING IT, BUT IT, ANY, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, I'M GONNA ASK SOME QUESTIONS.
AND THE NEXT CASE TONIGHT IS CASE 25 32 OLIVER AVENUE.
CHRISTIAN, I DON'T WANNA SAY YOUR LAST NAME BECAUSE I WOULD REALLY
GOOD EVENING, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND, UH, THE CHAIRMAN.
UH, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME OF ACTUALLY ATTENDING ANY MEETINGS LIKE THIS, SO I'M A LITTLE, UH, NERVOUS, BUT PLEASE PARDON ME FOR MY, UH, MY, HOWEVER I'M UP HERE, PLEASE.
UH, THIS, I'M A FIRST TIME HOME BUYER, UH, IN THIS COMMUNITY.
I'VE NEVER BOUGHT A HOUSE BEFORE, SO THIS IS MY FIRST TIME OF PURCHASING A HOME.
SO, SO, NOW IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME.
I NEVER WOULD'VE GOTTEN THAT EITHER.
SO I'M HERE TO REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE AREA VARIANCE REGARDING MY PACKING OF MY VAN, WHICH IS MY, UH, SOURCE OF LIVING, MY MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION, IN AND OUT.
THAT'S MY ONLY SOURCE OF TRANSPORTATION, AND THAT'S THE ONLY MEANS I'M ABLE TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE THERE AS I NEED TO TAKE CARE OF MY FAMILY, UH, AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
SO, UPON PURCHASING THE, PRIOR TO PURCHASING THIS HOUSE, I NEVER KNEW THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THAT I NEEDED TO KNOW ABOUT MY PARKING OF THE VAN, MY TRANSPORTATION VAN, AND WHICH I USE FOR MY PERSONAL USE AS WELL FOR THE FAMILY.
SO, UPON PURCHASING THE, UH, PLACE, I RECEIVED A NOTICE TELLING ME THAT I COULD, I COULDN'T PARK MY, UH, AMBULANCE VAN, WHICH I USED TO TRANSPORT INDIVIDUALS WITH DIS DISABILITY FROM PLACES TO PLACES ALL OVER THE FIVE BORDERS, INCLUDING WESTCHESTER.
SO, UPON THE NOTIFICATION, I CAME BY TO KNOW WHY IS THE SITUATION, AND I WAS NOT, 'CAUSE I WAS NOT AWARE OF ALL THESE, UH, NUANCES REGARDING WHAT I CAN HAVE THERE OR WHAT I CANNOT.
SO I'M JUST HERE TO APPEAL TO EVERY ONE OF US THAT YOU SHOULD PLEASE PERMIT ME REQUEST FOR A PERMIT SHOW FOR ME TO HAVE MY VAN TO BE, TO PACK MY VAN ON A DAILY BASIS.
IT'S ONLY WHEN I GO TO WORK IN THE MORNING AND WHEN I COME BACK IN THE EVENING, IT'S NOT ALWAYS THERE.
MON, UH, MORNING THROUGH, THROUGH, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
IT'S ONLY DURING WHEN I'M HOME AND WHEN I'M OUT FOR THE, OUT FOR MY, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, BUSINESS.
SO I'M JUST CALLING, I MEAN, I'M JUST HERE TO REQUEST FOR PERMISSION FOR ME TO, TO PACK MY VAN IN FRONT OF MY, MY YARD.
YOU HAVE TWO VEHICLES THAT YOU YOURSELF DRIVE? UH, RIGHT NOW I HAVE ONE, BUT I INTEND TO ADD ONE MORE ONCE I'M ABLE TO SECURE ANOTHER ONE.
BUT AT THE MOMENT I'M USING ONE.
AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE SOMEONE ELSE DRIVING THAT ONE? YEAH.
WE WILL NOT PARK THERE, BUT WE'LL DRIVE, MOST LIKELY DRIVE TO HIS ON THE, UH, VICINITY.
SO IT'S SOME PLACE THE DRIVER WILL TAKE IT
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HOME, NOT NECESSARILY THERE, BUT IN CASE THERE IS ANY NEED FOR US TO PARK THERE TEMPORARILY, THEN THAT'S WHEN IT SHOULD BE THERE.BUT MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE TIME IT SHOULD BE TAKEN TO THE, UH, TAKEN BY THE DRIVER TO HIS FACILITY.
DO YOU USE THEM, USE THEM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK? NO, FIVE DAYS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
FROM WHAT TIME TO WHAT TIME? FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL 6:00 PM 8:00 AM TO 6:00 PM SOMETIME 5:00 PM A MONTH.
HOW MANY OTHER CARS ARE PARKED AT THIS HOUSE? ONE MORE.
AND DO YOU OWN A CAR? NO, I DON'T.
THAT'S MY MEANS OF MY TRANSPORT.
NOW IF, COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH USING THE GARAGE? OKAY.
THE HEIGHT OF MY, THE VAN CANNOT FIT INTO THE, INTO THE GARAGE.
IT'S YOUR, THE HEIGHT OF THE VEHICLE IS TOO HIGH.
OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE MOVED IT IN THE, UH, ANOTHER POINT IS THAT WHEN I ASKED THE REALTOR TO LOOK FOR THIS VERY PLACE FOR ME, I, I, TO, WHEN YOU ASKED THE REALTOR, THE REALTOR TO LOOK, TO LOOK FOR A PLACE FOR ME, WHICH IS THIS PLACE, AND TOLD HIM, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEM IN TERMS OF, UH, THIS VAN, HE TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS NOT GONNA BE ANY PROBLEM, WHICH I'M NAIVE, I'M THE FIRST TIME ON BIAS, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THIS.
ALL THESE, UH, UH, UH, THINGS WERE GONNA COME UP.
SO I'M, SO IF I KNEW I WOULDN'T HAVE, UH, BEEN IN THIS POSITION IN THE FIRST PLACE.
UN UNFORTUNATELY, YOUR, YOUR BROKER DID NOT DO YOU A GOOD SERVICE.
I KNOW THIS IS, UM, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, I WAS LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, FROM GOOGLE, THE AIR SHOTS AND THE STREET LEVEL SHOTS, THESE ARE ALL SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH GREEN LAWNS IN THE FRONT.
AND THERE ARE NO OTHER BUSINESS VEHICLES PARKED OUTSIDE? UH, THERE ARE A FEW OF THEM.
I DROVE AROUND THE VICINITY AND I SAW A FEW OF THESE VANS AROUND INSIDE, JUST LIKE I, I, I PARKED MY VAN, THEY PARKED IN AND TOOK IT IN.
SO I SAW, I DROVE AROUND THE VICINITY AND I SAW A FEW OF THEM, THE SAME COMMERCIAL, UH, UH, VEHICLES.
YOU SAW THOSE AT NIGHT AND ON THE WEEKENDS? YES.
AT NIGHT AND DURING THE DAY SPECTRUM, MANY OF THESE VEHICLES AROUND, I SAW THEM.
DID YOU TAKE THE NUMBERS OF WHERE THEY WERE? YES, I TOOK IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT YET.
I SAW THE, I TOOK SOME OF THE PICTURES AND I, I PUT IT AWAY, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT YET.
'CAUSE THOSE VEHICLES COULD HAVE BEEN WORKERS WHO WERE WORKING AT THOSE HOMES OR MAKING DELIVERIES OR THOSE OTHER THINGS.
DID YOU LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING YOUR GARAGE BIG ENOUGH TO FIT YOUR, YOUR VEHICLES? UH, NOT REALLY, BECAUSE THE, THEY SAID THERE IS A SPECIFIC HEIGHT IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE.
THEY SAID THERE'S A SPECIFIC HEIGHT CANNOT GO BEYOND, I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY TO MAKE IT SO IT'S OFF.
IT'S NOT ON THE PARK, YOU KNOW? YES.
THE WAY YOU SHOW IT ON YOUR PLAN, UM, YOU SHOW, YOU KNOW, TWO VEHICLES, UM, PARKED IN THE CIRCLE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND, UM, IT MAKES IT, IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE SOMEWHAT OF A BUSINESS.
IT IT'S OUT OF CONTEXT WITH THE, YOUR NEIGHBORS.
SO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CRITERIA WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS DOES THIS GO AND MATCH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO IF YOUR COMMERCIAL VEHICLE WAS IN THE GARAGE AND THE GARAGE COULD BE SOMEHOW MODIFIED, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT SATISFY THE PROBLEM.
IF IT WEREN'T SEEN, IF IT WAS IN A GARAGE, NOBODY WOULD SEE IT.
AND I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT WOULD WORK, BUT I'M SAYING I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY GO A LONG WAY TO DEALING WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF YOUR NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE CONTACTED US.
I, I MET FEW OF MY NEIGHBORS AND THEY, I MET, WENT TO THEM TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY CONCERN ABOUT THEM.
AND THE, THE IMMEDIATE ONES AROUND ME, THEY SAID THEY WERE NOT HAVING ANY PROBLEM WITH MY PARKING BECAUSE I AM BARELY, VAN IS BARELY THERE.
IT'S ONLY, ONLY AT, UH, AT OVER THE NIGHT AND THE MORNING I'M OUT.
SO THEY SAID IT WAS NOT REALLY, AS LONG AS I NOT PARKED PACKED ON THE STREETS, BUT YOU'RE NOT ON THE WEEKENDS WHEN EVERYBODY'S HOME,
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YOUR COMMERCIAL VEHICLE WILL BE PARKED IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND POSSIBLY TWO OF YOUR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES WILL BE PARKED IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE WHEN THE LAW SAYS THERE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY.AND THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE HERE, BUT IF YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING THAT IS OUT OF THE CHARACTER, OUTSIDE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IS A CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION FROM TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? SURE.
COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN THE, THE LAST, THE TWO VARIANCES REGARDING WHERE YOU CAN PARK THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES? IN OTHER WORDS, I GUESS IN RELATION TO WHERE, UM, THE APPLICANT WANTS TO PARK THEM.
SO YOU CAN PARK ONE IN THE SIDE OR THE REAR, AND THEY'RE PROPOSED AS TWO, BUT THEN TWO OF THEM ARE IN THE FRONT.
I JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION.
UM, JAY REER FROM THE BILLING DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO FOR THE FIRST, FOR THE, UM, SEC FIRST, LAST ONE, UM, SECTION 2 85, 36.
COULD YOU TALK UP A LITTLE? YEAH, THERE.
UM, SECTION 2 85, 36, F1, MAX NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES STORED OR PARKED ON THE PROPERTY, IF IT'S IN THE SIDE OR REAR YARD SCREEN FROM VIEW.
SO THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PARK IN THE REAR YARD OR THE SIDE YARD AS LONG AS IT'S COMPLETELY SCREENED FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
SO, UM, WHEN I TALKED TO CHRIS, UM, CHRISTIAN, UM, SORRY.
YEAH, CHRISTIAN, HE WAS, HE WASN'T ABLE TO DO THAT, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF HOW, HOW SMALL THE GARAGE WAS.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT VARIANCE.
UM, THE SECOND VARIANCE, UM, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE STORED IN THE FRONT YARD, ZERO ARE PERMITTED.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, HE HAS ONE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ON, ON THE LOWER RIGHT HAND SIDE AND THEN A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE ON, UH, RIGHT, RIGHT UNDER, RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE GARAGE.
SO THE ONE AT THE ENTRANCE THOUGH, IS THAT THE, THE VARIANCE FOR THE, THE SIDE YARD ONE OR THE REAR YARD, I MEAN, OR THE FRONT YARD, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE, SO HE, HE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE AS LONG AS IT'S SCREENED.
HE DOESN'T COMPLY WITH ANY THAT AT ALL.
SO HE'S, HE'S ALSO ASKING, HE'S PREMIER TO HAVE ASKING TO STORE TWO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN THE FRONT YARD.
SO DOES HE NEED A VARIANCE TO STORE THEM IN THE SIDE YARD IF IT'S NOT, UH, SCREENED? YES.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN THE FRONT YARD.
SO I, I THINK I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO, UM, OVERALL, THIS SHOULD BE ANOTHER, I GUESS, VARIANCE FOR THE STORAGE OF THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IN THE FRONT YARD.
I, WELL, BUT YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT FOR, HE WANTS TO PARK TWO, JUST TWO IN THE FRONT YARD.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS CAPTURED IN THE LAST VARI.
SO IT MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THERE ALSO SEEMS TO BE A REQUEST AND, AND I'M UNCLEAR AS TO WHERE IT IS TO COVER, UM, INCREASE THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE FOR A CONCRETE PATIO.
THAT PATIO, HE ACTUALLY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY LIKE THAT.
UM, OH, SO HE IS TRYING TO LEGALIZE THAT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS TURNING IT INTO A PARKING LOT OR WHAT IT WAS.
HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY LIKE THAT.
SO THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS FOR THE PATIO, NOT THE PARKING.
IN THE PARKING, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES INCLUDES EVERYTHING.
I DIDN'T, IF THEY WERE EVERYTHING.
SO IF IT'S ANYTHING, LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THAT WHOLE PATIO.
SO WHAT, SO THEY, SO THE HOW WE SEE THE DRIVEWAY IS HOW IT EXISTS TODAY.
NOW, IS THERE A REASON YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE PATIO TO BE CONCRETE AND NOT TAKING IT OUT SO THAT YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING LAW? UH, THE REASON IS I, I SPENT MOVING TO THAT PLACE.
I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY INTO PUTTING THAT PLACE TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE WERE MANY THINGS THAT WERE VERY, THAT WERE WRONG INSIDE THE HOUSE.
SO I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN PUTTING THE HOUSE TOGETHER ON PURCHASE.
AND, UH, BASED ON WHAT I SAW THERE, THE WALK HE, HE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT I SHOULD TAKE OUT THE, SOMETHING ABOUT THE, UH, THE SIDEWALK.
THAT'S WHAT, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT AGAIN? RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I TOLD HIM TO GIVE, I GAVE HIM DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON, UH, YOU SEE HOW THERE'S A WALKWAY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE
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AND, UM, THE PATIO ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, IF THAT WAS REDUCED, UH, AND MADE THAT, IF YOU MADE THAT IMPERVIOUS TO MAKE IT COMPLIANT, THAT THAT'S ONE APPROACH.BUT, UM, I THINK IT WAS A FINANCIAL CONSTRAINT, CONSTRAINT ANYMORE.
IS THIS ONE OF THE VARIANCES? YES.
AND THIS GOES ALL THE WAY UP? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL PAVED.
THE OTHER VARIANCES ARE THESE, AND ARE YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS ALSO A PROBLEM? CORRECT.
BECAUSE THAT'S WITHIN, I THINK, 10 FEET.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO LEGALIZE ALL OF THESE.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE THIS OUT? OH, HE'S SAYING THAT AND PUT IN GRASS OR TREES.
WELL, HE EXPLAINED, I UNDERSTAND YOU'VE SPENT MONEY ON THE HOUSE, BUT TAKE A SLEDGEHAMMER AND BREAK IT.
I, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M ASKING YOU.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT BRING, YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE YOU A VARIANCE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO TAKE IT OUT.
YEAH, AND ALSO THE WAY IT IS, THE WAY IT, WHAT MADE ME TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE HOUSE, PART OF, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY, BECAUSE IT APPEARS VERY GOOD AND IT'S, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? UH, IT IS PART OF WHAT MADE US TO, LIKE ME AND MY WIFE TO LIKE THE PLACE AND THE WAY IT WAS WELL, UH, UH, PUT TOGETHER.
SO WE DIDN'T KNOW OF ALL THIS VARIANTS AND ALL THIS, UH, UH, REQUEST THAT, UH, GOING ON.
SO WE DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT.
WE ARE VERY, VERY MUCH LIKE A NOVI STUDIES VARIANCES.
SO I WISH, UNFORTUNATELY, I WISH WE KNEW ALL THESE THINGS THAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW ONLY HAVE BEEN IN THIS POSITION AT ALL.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES FOR THEIR BUSINESSES, AND THEY EITHER HAVE PLACES THAT THEY CAN KEEP THEM, UH, ON THEIR PROPERTY OR THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, RENT SOMEPLACE ELSE.
THERE ARE PLACES THAT ARE AROUND THERE THAT, UM, HAVE A LOT OF SPACE.
AND I DON'T KNOW, PERHAPS IF YOU COULD, UH, MAKE SOME TYPE OF, UH, ARRANGEMENT WITH THEM SINCE YOU'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE, USE THAT SOME OF THAT SPACE.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, WHETHER YOU DO SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY OR HAVE TO, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MONEY IS, ONE THING OR THE OTHER.
IF YOU COULD KNOCK DOWN THE GARAGE AND DO SOMETHING THAT'LL, YOU KNOW, SATISFY YOU, THEN OVER TIME YOU MAKING MONEY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT'S NOT WHAT YOUR WIFE WANTS.
THERE'S THE, UM, IF HE WERE TO USE THE, THE PAVED AREA NEXT TO THE, THE GARAGE BETWEEN THE GARAGE, OKAY.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO DRIVE UP HERE AND PARK BACK HERE AND WOULD THAT MEET THE SIDE BACKYARD AND BEING BLOCKED? THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE OFF STREET PARKING PAVED AREA WITHIN THE 10 FEET.
SO YOU, THAT WILL BE, UM, SOMETHING YOU WOULD NEED TO, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
UM, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD REQUEST ANOTHER, YOU, WE WOULD REQUEST ANOTHER VARIANCE BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE A OFF STREET PARKING AREA IN THE SIDE YARD IF YOU WERE TO USE THAT APPROACH.
THAT'S WHAT I DON'T, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I ONLY UNDER UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE CAR IN THE SIDE YARD, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IN THE SIDE YARD.
BUT HERE IT SAYS YOU CAN, YOU SAYS YOU CAN THAT ONE AS LONG AS IT'S SCREENED, THIS ISN'T SCREENED WELL, IF IT WERE BLOCKED BY THE GARAGE AND THE HOUSE.
SO YOU WOULD NEED TO, YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE, YOU NEED TO CONF YOU NEED TO, UH, APPROVE THE VARIANCE FOR YES.
THE PATIO AREA ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
BUT YES, YOU COULD, YES, YOU COULD.
ASSUMING THE PATIO WE'RE ALLOWED TO STAY.
I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO COME UP.
I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH HELPFUL POSSIBILITIES.
UH, IT'LL COMPLY IF, IF THAT VARIANCE WERE GRANTED FOR THE PATIO AND HE COULD DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND PARK IN THE BACK AND NOT PARK IN THE FRONT.
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THIS PIECE IS VERY, OH, ENTERTAIN THAT.YOU WOULD NEED A SEPARATE VARIANCE FOR THE, WE CAN'T HEAR.
THAT'S, THAT'S LIZ ON THE, WHO IS THAT? LIZ.
SO IF, IF YOU WERE TO ENTERTAIN EXPANDING THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY TO ALLOW ACCESS AND CR MAKE THE PAVER AREA, THE PATIO AREA PART OF AN EXP EXPANSION, EXPANSION OF THE DRIVEWAY, YOU WOULD NEED A SEPARATE VARIANCE BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY SETBACKS WOULD HAVE TO CON CON CONFORM.
SO IF YOU'RE, WHETHER YOU CALL IT A PATIO OR A DRIVEWAY, UM, THE USE IS DIFFERENT.
UM, THE PATIO IS A 10 FOOT SETBACK.
THE DRIVEWAY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT SAME SETBACK.
SO YOU WOULD NEED TO GET A SEPARATE VARIANCE, UM, FOR THAT.
THEORETICALLY YOU COULD DRIVE A COMMERCIAL TRUCK BEHIND THE BUILDING, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCREEN IT FROM VIEW FROM THE ADJOINING NEIGHBOR.
UM, IT WOULD BE BEHIND THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD COMPLY WITH THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.
THE SECOND VEHICLE, AGAIN, WOULD NEED THE, THE VARIANCE.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS, UM, IS THE SECOND COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IN THE SIDE YARD, UM, BOTH OF THE VEHICLES AS, AS SHOWN ON THE PLAN OR IN THE FRONT YARD AND WOULD REQUIRE VARIANCES FOR LOCATION AND FOR THE NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES REQUESTED? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CLARIFIES.
WELL, RIGHT NOW, THE GENTLEMAN, BUT YOU COULD ELIMINATE, YOU COULD ELIMINATE AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT BOTH OF THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN THE FRONT BY PARKING IN THE BACK.
SO YOU'D BE ADDING POSSIBLY A VARIANCE FOR THE SIDE YARD, BUT YOU WOULD BE LE UH, ELIMINATING AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT BOTH OF THE, UH, VARIANCES FOR THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.
SO YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE SCREENED FROM YOU IN THE REAR SIDE YARD.
HE IS ASKING FOR TWO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.
SO THE SECOND VEHICLE REGARDLESS IS GONNA NEED A VARIANCE IF BOTH CAN BE PARKED BEHIND THE BUILDING AND THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED FOR THE, THE SECOND THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, CERTAINLY FEASIBLE.
UM, HOWEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE THOSE VEHICLES AROUND THAT BUILDING SAFELY WITHOUT GOING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND, AND JA, I CAN'T, IT'S VERY SMALL ON MY SCREEN, BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S ONLY 10 FEET, UM, BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL VAN THAT IS GOING TO BE SQUEEZING BETWEEN A STRUCTURE AND A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO GO BEHIND A BUILDING, UM, IN, IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WHERE YOU HAVE THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY THERE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO JUST CONSIDER.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SHRUBBERY THERE, UM, ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
WELL, AT THE MOMENT THERE IS ONLY ONE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.
YOU KNOW WHAT? I MAY JUST RESOLVE TO HAVING JUST THAT ONE VEHICLE UNTIL I HAVE, I'M ABLE TO WORK HARDER TO HAVE A BIT, ANOTHER PLACE TO HAVE OTHER VEHICLES.
SO I'LL GO WITH ONLY ONE FOR NOW.
LET'S JUST RESOLVE TO THAT ONLY ONE VEHICLE PLEASE.
HOW WIDE ARE THESE VEHICLES? OH, UH, IS IT WIDER THAN A CAR? NO, JUST LIKE A CAR.
YOU KNOW, THE MINIVAN? LEMME CALL IT VAN.
DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE VAN? OKAY.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CARS, RIGHT? NO.
HOW IS IT GONNA GO THIS WAY? I DUNNO.
THE ABILITY TO DRIVE, RIGHT? WHAT GUYS USE IT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO I JUST, I DUNNO, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT, BUT A FOUR, A 4, 2 50 VAN WITH THE
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MIRRORS IS APPROXIMATELY EIGHT AND A HALF FEET WIDE.SO, YOU KNOW, HE COULD DRIVE CAREFULLY AND GET DOWN THERE.
HE'D HAVE A FOOT AND A HALF MOST, BUT PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
UM, HOW FAR SAY HE, LET'S NOT SAY THAT.
THERE'S NO WAY TO GET DOWN THAT SIDE.
VERY GOOD, UH, AREA BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE PROPERTY LINE WITHOUT MAKING A CHANGE TO THE FRONT, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TAKE THIS CURVED DRIVEWAY, RIGHT.
AND THEN FIND A WAY TO TURN DOWN THE SIDE, UH, THAT SIDE SPACE.
SO WE ARE, UNLESS THERE'S A CER UH, A CONSIDERABLE MONEY, AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU WANNA SPEND TO CHANGE THE, UH, THE ENTRANCE TO THAT SIDE YARD, AND THEN THAT MAY, THAT'S, UM, IMPLEMENT ANOTHER THING BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF ENTRANCES INTO THE PROPERTY, UM, WHICHEVER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S COMPLICATED.
AND WHAT, I MEAN IT WON'T BE CHEAP.
THIS IS 10 MAPLE DRIVE FROM THE AIR.
DOES THE VAN HAVE, UH, SPECIAL LIGHTS OR SPECIAL SIGNS ON IT? OR IS IT JUST A WHITER BLACK VAN? JUST WHITE.
IT HAS NO SPECIAL WRITING ON IT.
YEAH, IT'S JUST SAYING, UH, THE NAME OF THE, THE AMBULANCE CARRYING HANDS AMBULANCE.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S WRITTEN ON IT.
AND, AND NO EMERGENCY LIGHT LIGHTS? NO, NO, NO.
JUST REGULAR CAR, REGULAR VAN.
BUT WITH THE NAME OF THE COMPANY.
DO, DO YOU HAVE ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS SAYING THAT IT WOULD NOT POSE AN ISSUE? YES, I DO.
RIGHT HERE, HERE'S THE HOUSE THAT'S NOT
THIS HAS, UM, SEVEN, SEVEN NEIGHBORS HAVE SIGNED, UM, A FOR A LETTER HERE.
IT'S WHAT GETS THE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY IS IT'S JUST THAT'S THE SIGN.
THERE'S THE, THERE'S THE, IT'S JUST, BUT HE CAN'T SCREAM HIM BECAUSE HE'S UP HIGHER A NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE EVEN.
BUT HE CAN'T SCREEN IT FOR THAT SIDE WORK.
THE SIGNATURES ACTUALLY MAYBE LOOK AT THEIR HOUSE.
THE SIGNATURES HAVE, UH, NO, I HAVE, HE HAS TO COME BACK.
I THEM HAVE THERE, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE MOVE ON GUYS? THESE THINGS ARE LIKE, WE CAN COME BACK WITH QUESTIONS, RIGHT? IS THERE ANYONE OUT OUT THERE WHO'S, THIS IS PART OF PATIO, SO THEY, WHO WANTS TO SPEAK CALL THIS? YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THIS? NO.
NO, THEY CAN MAKE A COPY AND TAKE A PICTURE OF IT.
THESE ARE MY IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR AROUND MY, YOU KNOW, MY AREA.
SO I WENT TO THEM AND ASKED, UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, SEE HOW WE CAN WORK THIS OUT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MUCH MORE THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW.
I AM ON ANOTHER WAY IS THAT I'M BARELY HOME MOST OF THE TIME.
I COME BACK EARLY IN THE EVENING.
AND ANYWHERE I GO, I GO WITH D VAN.
SO, NO, NO, IT'S NOT REALLY NOT THAT ALL, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THAT.
IT'S THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN PRETTY HARD ON.
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IT CHANGES THE NEIGHBORHOODS.UM, GREENBERG IS A BIG PLACE, SO WE HAVE TO CONSIDER HOW OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO SAVE MONEY TOO AND PARK THEIR CARS AND PARK VEHICLES AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL WE SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU.
WE MIGHT COME BACK TO YOU WITH QUESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS.
UH, MY NAME IS JOSEPH NEWBERRY.
I AM JOSEPH NEWBERRY AND MY WIFE ANTONIA NEWBERRY.
I APPRECIATE THE BOARD'S TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
MY NAME IS JOSEPH NEWBERRY AND MY WIFE HERE, ANTONIO NEWBERRY.
WE ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE FOR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE FOR OUR PROPERTY AT 2 43 TAXI ROAD IN IRVINGTON.
THE PERMITTED COVERAGE IS 21.75%.
WITH THE COMPLETED POOL AND PATIO, THE COVERAGE IS NOW 24.5%, SO I'M REQUESTING A 2.75% RELIEF.
UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ENTIRELY IN THE REAR YARD, FULLY WITHIN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPICAL BACKYARD FEATURES FOUND IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
I'VE INCLUDED THE PHOTOS IN THE PACKET.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECT IS ATTRACTIVE, WELL MAINTAINED AND VISUALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE THIS IS A, AFTER THE FACT REQUEST, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I'VE FILED, AS SOON AS I BECAME AWARE OF THE, UH, VARIANCE THAT WAS REQUIRED, MY INTENT IS TO ENSURE EVERYTHING IS PROPERLY DOCUMENTED AND COMPLIANT WITH THE TOWN.
UH, MY VARIANCE REQUEST IS, IS MODEST, UH, TO THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
AND THE NEED FOR RELIEF IS DRIVEN BY THE PROPERTY LAYOUT REQUIRED BY THE POOL SETBACKS AND THE LIMITED SPACE OPTIONS.
THESE CONSTRAINTS GUIDED US THE DESIGN AND WERE AN ATTEMPT TO EXCEED.
WE WERE NOT TO ATTEMPT TO EXCEED THE ZONING LIMITS UNNECESSARILY.
BOTH ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AND THE CLOSEST HOMES ACROSS THE STREET PROVIDED LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
IN SUMMARY, THIS IS A SMALL VARIANCE ON A HALF ACRE LOT WITH NO IMPACT TO STREETSCAPE OR NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
AND WITH THE DIRECT NEIGHBOR SUPPORT, THE PROJECT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PROPERTY AND HAS BEEN WELL INTEGRATED INTO THE BACKYARD.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE BOARD'S APPROVAL AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HOW DID IT COME ABOUT THAT COULDN'T, UH, DEAL WITH THE IN OUS CO CO COVERAGE? I MEAN, DID YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO DESIGNED THE POOL FOR YOU OR HOW DID IT? I MEAN, UM, WE, UM, HIRED THE, A POOL COMPANY AND WE USED THEIR, UM, THEIR, UM, CONTRACT COMPANY.
UM, IT WAS WESTROCK AND CURTIS.
AND IF YOU COULD, UM, LOOK AT THE, THE PLAN ITSELF, I THINK SOME OF THE, UM, COMMUNICATION ERROR HAPPENED IS THE PATIO ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE AN EXACT DIMENSION THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE TOWN.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT PERCENTAGE DISCREPANCY IS.
I MEAN, LOOKING BACK WE WERE SURPRISED ALSO.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU ZOOM IN, IT HAS THE PATIO AND POOL, BUT NOW LOOKING AT IT CLOSELY AFTER THE FACT, WE DON'T SEE ANY DIMENSIONS FOR THE ACTUAL PATIO.
THE PATIO IS ACTUALLY 20 BY 20 THAT, UH,
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SQUARE THERE.AND, AND A FEW THINGS CHANGED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION.
I THINK THE POOL WAS 16 BY 32.
WE WENT A LITTLE BIT SMALLER TO 14 BY 32 JUST FOR AESTHETICS.
UM, SO THE POOL'S ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN WE ACTUALLY, UM, WERE PERMITTED.
ARE YOU COUNTING THE POOL ITSELF AS PART OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE? YEAH, I THINK, UM, EXACTLY.
I THINK IT'S THE POOL AND PATIO AND EVEN THE FRONT DRIVEWAY.
I THINK IT'S TOTAL NON IMPERVIOUS.
THE TOTAL AREA, I MEAN, THE HOUSE IS BUILT IN 94, SO YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, IS, IS ON THE PLAN.
UH, THE ONLY THING THAT WE ADDED AND IS THE POOL AND PATIO.
YEAH, THE POOL WOULD BE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
IT WOULD BE THE PATIO AROUND IT.
OH, SO THE POOL DOES NOT COUNT? NO, THE POOL DOES NOT COUNT.
SO WHEN THE POOL WAS MADE SMALLER YEAH.
DID YOU THEN KEEP THE, MAKE THE PATIO BIGGER SO THAT IT WAS ALL THE SAME SIZE AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED? EXACTLY.
SO WHERE THAT WALL IS, UH, WE HAD TWO FEET.
UH, THE CONTRACTOR TOOK DELIVER ADDING ANOTHER TWO FEET, SO THAT IS, UM, AN EXTRA TWO FEET BY THAT 30 FEET.
SO THAT ADDED ABOUT 60 SQUARE FEET.
AND SOMEHOW THE REC, THE SQUARE PATIO, UM, IS PROBABLY PART OF THAT PERCENTAGE THAT WE WENT OVER.
SO THE OVERALL AREA WAS THE SAME, BUT WHEN YOU WENT, TOOK THE POOL, WHICH IS PERVIOUS AND MADE IT IMPERVIOUS AS PART OF THE PATIO YEAH.
THEN YOUR PERCENTAGE WENT UP? YEAH, IT WENT UP BY THAT 2.75%.
AND, AND IS, ARE THE, IS THE PATIO OUS OR IMPERVIOUS TILE? UM, IN STONE? IT'S JUST STANDARD.
UM, UM, PAVER, I MEAN, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY DO THE, UM, THE ITEM FOUR COMPACTION AND THEY, AND THEY LAY THE, UH, PAVERS DOWN AND THEY, UH, PUT THE, THE SAND IN THERE AND BRUSHED THE SAND IN.
SO IT'S PRETTY, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A CONCRETE, IT'S, IT'S PAVERS THAT YOU LAY DOWN IN THE SAND.
I'M SORRY, JUST TO ADD, UM, THERE WERE WALKWAYS ADDED, UM, THAT WEREN'T ON THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN FROM, UH, THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR.
YEAH, SO IF YOU PULL UP THE, THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE AS BUILT, UM, THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I THINK MY BUILDER MISSED AND ASSUMED IT WAS ALREADY THERE.
SO WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE 15 YEARS AGO, THAT THERE'S A LITTLE SIDEWALK WAY.
IT'S LIKE THREE FEET, UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, IT'S THREE FEET BY, I GUESS LIKE 25 FEET FOR A SIDE DOOR THAT'S BEEN THERE SINCE WE, THE DAY WE MOVED IN.
SO THAT PROBABLY COUNTS FOR THAT.
ANOTHER A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S UM, RIGHT WHERE THAT, AND THEN TO THE LEFT THERE, THERE'S AN ANOTHER WALKWAY OUT TO THE GATE.
UM, SO, SO BETWEEN THE TWO WALKWAYS AND THE PATIO, THAT'S THE 2.75%.
BUT THOSE WALKWAYS WERE THERE.
SO THE WALKWAY, UH, TO THE, UM, RIGHT OF THE HOUSE, THAT WALKWAY, UH, FROM THE DRIVEWAY WAS, WAS THERE FROM DAY ONE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND WE ADDED IN THE WALKWAY TO THE, TO THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE.
'CAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE WHICH, HOW WE WERE GONNA USE THE POOL.
AND SO WE PUT GATES ON BOTH SIDES.
SO THERE'S, UM, ALUMINUM, UM, SELF-CLOSING GATE, UM, THERE.
SO THAT WAS JUST FOR CONVENIENCE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK ACROSS THE HOLE, UM, FROM OF THE YARD TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE.
JUST LOOKING AT THE, SO YOU SAID THE ONE YOU PUT IN WAS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE OR THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
SO THE ONE WE PUT IN IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE LOOKING FROM THE STREET.
I I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
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THE, UM, THE PAVERS THAT ALLOW GRASS TO GROW IN HOLES INSIDE THE PAVER THAT BECOMES PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.
THAT'S ANYTHING THAT OBSTRUCT THE NATURAL WATER THAT'S CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.
EVEN PERVIOUS PAVERS IS CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.
GRAVEL WOULD IMPERVIOUS CATCHES DIRT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WHAT, WHAT IS THE, ON THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHAT, UH, IS THE MAKEUP OF WHAT THOSE, THE SIDE, UM, THE THE ACTUAL PAVER MATERIAL? YEAH.
THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE, UM, PAVERS.
THEY'RE, UM, I THINK THEY'RE LIKE SIX BY FOUR.
KIND OF LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE A TILE, LIKE A, A RUNNING BOND PATTERN OF PAVERS.
UM, YEAH, THEY NICELY BLEND IN WITH THE LANDSCAPE.
UH, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE COMPLIMENTED THE PROPERTY.
UM, THAT'S MY NEIGHBOR ON, ON THE LEFT SIDE, KEN AND SHERRY AND MY OTHER NEIGHBOR ON THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE.
DOUG AND HIS WIFE, UM, APPROVE, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK IT LOOKS GREAT.
NO, THEY HAVE A PICTURE TECHNICALLY WE COULD.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I, UM, IT'S HEAVILY LANDSCAPE WHERE PRI PRI YEAH, IT'S A BUSH.
I THINK I, ONE QUESTION AS PART OF THIS WHOLE PROJECT, DID YOU ADD ANY, UM, TREES OR ANY BUSHES OR ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF TREES IN OVER THE YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 15 YEARS.
I'VE ALWAYS ADD A FEW, UH, LANDSCAPE DETAILS.
UM, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, WE ADDED A FEW MORE PRI, UM, ON THE LEFT SIDE.
AND, UH, WHAT'S THE NAME OF YOUR, UM, FAVORITE TREE THAT WE'VE PUT IN MY YEAH.
AND WE PUT IN A, A PRETTY LARGE MAGNOLIA, UH, TREE.
ANYONE ELSE WANNA COMMENT ON THIS? OKAY.
GREENBURG NATURE NATURE CENTER.
SHE'S QUEUING UP A POWERPOINT.
ARE WE READY? HE'S TRYING TO, TRYING TO BRING IT UP.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NATURE CENTER AT GREENBURG.
YOUR PROUD PART PARTNERS FOR 50 YEARS.
SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THE TOWN FOR ACQUIRING THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER AND FOR PARTNERING WITH US, UM, IN BRINGING A BEAUTIFUL ASSET TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
UM, THE NATURE CENTER FOR THE RECORD IS AT 99 DRMO ROAD IN SCARSDALE.
AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT A NEW WELCOME CENTER THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THERE IS A VARIANCE THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE HEIGHT.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE TOP TO, UM, RUN THE, RUN THE POWER, SEE SLIDESHOW, TOP RIGHT.
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YOU GO.NEXT SLIDE, HIT THE MOUSE BUTTON.
SO, IN OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN, UM, AND TO MANAGE THE NATURE CENTER FOR THE 50 YEARS, THE VISION AND MISSION HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR.
THE NATURE CENTER IS AN OPEN SPACE ANIMAL, UH, SANCTUARY, WILDLIFE REFUGE, AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTER.
WE, OF COURSE, ARE CONSTANTLY INTRODUCING CHILDREN AND VISITORS TO THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.
UM, HERE'S A LOVELY PICTURE OF A CHILD HAVING AN UP CLOSE, UH, ENCOUNTER WITH A BUTTERFLY, WHICH IS ONE OF THE EXHIBITS THAT WE PUT UP IN THE SUMMERTIME.
WE, UH, ACHIEVE OUR MISSION THROUGH NATURE EXPERIENCES, SCIENCE-BASED STEWARDSHIP, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION, SUSTAINABILITY PRACTICES AND ADVOCACY.
UH, THE ORGANIZATION HAS 788 ACTIVE MEMBERS, OVER 150 VOLUNTEERS, 107 SOCIAL MEDIA FRIENDS,
UM, AND SINCE THIS YEAR, SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE'VE SEEN 64,000 PARK VISITORS AND 19,000 VISITORS INTO OUR MUSEUM, WHICH IS OUR LIVE ANIMAL MUSEUM INSIDE THE MANOR HOUSE.
AND OUR ORGANIZATION IS GROWING.
SO WE WANTED TO BUILD A WELCOME CENTER TO, UM, INTRODUCE OURSELVES TO THE PUBLIC IMMEDIATELY UPON ARRIVAL.
IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE NATURE CENTER, WHEN YOU PULL INTO THE PARKING LOT, IT'S A WOODS FORESTED AREA AND IT'S NOT ALWAYS APPARENT WHERE TO GO.
SO THE WELCOME CENTER, UM, WILL GREET OUR VISITORS.
WHEN YOU PULL INTO THE VISITOR LOT, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE WELCOME CENTER PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, IT IS ALSO AN AREA WHERE WE CAN SAFELY LOAD AND UNLOAD STUDENTS FROM SCHOOL BUSES BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTIVE PARKING LOT.
WE HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH SCHOOL BUSES COMING IN, UM, UNLOADING CHILDREN INTO OUR MAIN PATH AND CARS ZOOMING BY.
SO WITH THIS LAYOUT, THE SCHOOL BUS WILL PULL UP, TRAFFIC WILL HAVE TO STOP, AND CHILDREN CAN SAFELY GET OUT TO GO INTO THE WELCOME CENTER.
UM, WHEN, THE OTHER REASON WE WANNA DO THIS IS TO TELL OUR STORY TO TALK ABOUT THE NATURE CENTER AND THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBERG.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE, IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE TOGETHER AS, UM, OUR TWO ENTITIES AND OUR, AND PART OF OUR MISSION FOR PARKS AND FOR THE NATURE CENTER'S EDUCATION.
IT ALSO WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EDUCATION SPACE.
SO WE HAVE VERY LIMITED SPACE AT THE NATURE CENTER.
WE HAVE TWO OUTSIDE TENTS, AND THEN INSIDE THE MANOR HOUSE, THIS WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SPACE TO GET, UH, VISITORS AND STUDENTS OUT OF THE WEATHER TO A COVERED AREA, UM, AND SAFELY BECAUSE IT'S IN A FOREST.
SO IN WIND SITUATIONS, YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR GUESTS AND VISITORS ARE SAFE.
WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING THAT, UM, BATHROOMS BE PART OF THIS.
THEY'RE COMPOSTABLE BATHROOMS AND THEY WILL BE NEAR THE PARKING LOT.
WE HAVE BATHROOMS AT THE MANOR HOUSE, BUT WE ALL KNOW HOW IT GOES.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE MANOR HOUSE, NO ONE NEEDS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM, BUT WHEN YOU WALK ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE CAR, SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.
SO BY PROVIDING THIS, IT REALLY HELPS OUR VISITORS.
WE PROVIDE A, UM, PORTA JOHN FROM MEMORIAL TO LABOR DAY, UM, JUST TO HELP OUT PARENTS AND, UH, CAREGIVERS.
UH, SO THEY, YOU KNOW, CAN EASILY DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION.
SO WE WILL BE PROVIDING BATHROOMS. UM, AND THAT'S CLOSE TO THE PARKING LOT.
WITH THE STYLE OF THE WELCOME CENTER, WE WANTED TO KEEP WITHIN THE CURRENT STYLE AND LOOK OF THE NATURE CENTER, UM, GROUNDS AND OUTBUILDINGS.
THIS IS IN OUR NATIVE PLANT MEADOW.
THE STRUCTURE WILL BE A, UH, TIMBER, UH, STRUCTURE WITH A METAL ROOF.
IT HAS THE ROOF PART OF IT, UM, BUT NO WALLS.
SO THE WALLS WILL BE OPEN AND IT'S PART, IT'S NESTLED IN THE FOREST, SO IT GIVES THAT SENSE OF YOU BEING IN THE FOREST, BUT ALSO THEN SHELTERED.
THIS IS WHAT THE WELCOME CENTER WILL LOOK LIKE FROM THE VISITOR PARKING LOT.
IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE NATURE CENTER, UM, OVER THE LAST, UH, 50 YEARS, THE MAIN ENTRANCE THERE, YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THAT IS THE MAIN TRAIL UP TO THE MANOR HOUSE.
SO WE WILL REWILD THAT TRAIL AND YOU ARE, UH, SENT TO THE, UM, WELCOME CENTER.
WILL BE UP AN A DA PATH THAT WE'VE DEMONSTRATED THERE INTO THE WELCOME CENTER.
AND THEN FROM THE REAR OF THE WELCOME CENTER WILL BE THE BATHROOMS. I HAVE AN AERIAL.
UM, IN A SECOND WILL BE THE BATHROOMS AND THEN PATH, UM, THAT BRINGS YOU ALONG THAT FLAT RIDGE TO MEET UP WITH THE MAIN TRAIL THAT BRINGS YOU TO THE MANOR HOUSE.
UM, JUST ONE THING ON THAT PHOTO, THAT LIGHT, THAT STREETLIGHT THAT YOU SEE THERE,
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UM, THAT IS EXISTING.UM, AND THE EXISTING POWER LINES, UM, ARE HOW WE GET OUR POWER UP TO THE MANOR HOUSE.
SO THIS IS LOOKING AT THE SITE, UM, TO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A SENSE, THE PARKING LOT IS ON THE LOWER PART OF THE IMAGE.
YOU SEE THE TRAIL UP TO THE WELCOME CENTER, THE WELCOME CENTER STRUCTURE, AND THEN THE TRAIL, UM, OFF TO THE BACK.
UH, THAT SECOND BUILDING IS WHERE THE COMPOST TOILETS WILL GO.
AND THEN THE MAIN TRAIL, UM, BRINGS YOU INTO THE FOREST, UH, TO THE RIGHT.
AND AROUND A BEAUTIFUL WOODED AREA UP TO THE MAIN TRAIL.
THERE ARE, WE ARE GETTING A, UM, A PERMIT FOR SOME TREES.
UH, THANKFULLY MOST OF THEM ARE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION THAT WE'LL NEED TO TAKE DOWN FOR THE FOOTPRINT OF THE WELCOME CENTER.
AND THEN WE WILL BE ADDING TREES AS WELL AS, UM, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE PLANTING NATIVE, UM, SHRUBS AND, UM, UNDERSTORY PLANTS AS A TEACHING, UH, ELEMENT.
'CAUSE WE ARE CONSTANTLY TEACHING ABOUT, UM, ALTERNATIVES TO, UM, REGULAR GARDENS AND SHOWING POLLINATOR GARDENS AND DEMONSTRATION GARDENS.
THERE WILL ALSO BE A RAIN GARDEN AS PART OF THE STRUCTURE OFF TO THE SOUTH.
UM, UH, WEST THERE ON THE CORNER.
THIS IS THE DIAGRAM OF THE COMPOST TOILET.
IT'S CLUS IS THE COMPANY THAT, UM, CREATES THESE STRUCTURES.
UH, CURRENTLY ROCKEFELLER PARK HAS ONE.
UM, ALSO THE ZOO HAS THESE AND THE NEW YORK BOTANICAL GARDENS IN THE ED EDIBLE ACADEMY HAS ONE OF THESE, UM, COMPOSTING TOILETS.
SO THE, THE WHOLE, UM, UH, POINT OF THE WELCOME CENTER IS, UM, YEAH, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE WELCOME CENTER IS TO BE, TO BE THE FRONT DOOR FOR THE NATURE CENTER TO ACT AS THAT WELCOMING, UM, AREA.
AS I SAID, IT'S A FOOTPRINT OF 1200 SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS KIT IS ACTUALLY ASSEMBLED IN LANCASTER, PENNSYLVANIA AND BROUGHT UP TO THE SITE.
UM, SO THERE WILL BE MINIMAL CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE.
AND THEN THEY WILL, UM, INSTALL THE PAVILION ONTO THE FOUNDATION THAT WE WILL BE BUILDING.
THERE WILL BE A RAIN GARDEN, UM, PART OF THE DEMONSTRATION AND EDUCATION OF THIS, BUT ALSO TO DEAL WITH STORM WATER.
UM, IT'S IN A HEALTHY FOREST AREA, BUT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE NATIVE PLANTS AND TO TEACH ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE HOPING THAT, UM, WE WILL RECEIVE OUR PERMIT APPROVALS IN 2025.
SO BY THE END OF THIS YEAR, IT POSSIBLY WILL GO INTO THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.
BUT WE'RE HOPING TO DO CONSTRUCTION IN THE WINTER OF NEXT YEAR AND HAVE A RIBBON CUTTING WITH THE TOWN AND, UM, OUR OTHER SUPPORTERS IN THE SPRING AND BE OPEN BY OUR BUSIEST SEASON, WHICH IS SPRING, SUMMER, AND FALL.
UM, SO JUST TO, UM, REMIND FOLKS, THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING IS THERE IS A HEIGHT VARIANCE THAT IS NEEDED.
UM, THE STRUCTURE IS 17 FEET TALL.
UM, AND SO THAT IS THE VARIANCE THAT WE WOULD NEED AND WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
I JUST HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
WHAT'S THE HEIGHT OF A PRIMARY STRUCTURE IN THIS DISTRICT? DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND? UH, I'M OFFHAND BUT I COULD DOUBLE CHECK FOR YOU THOUGH.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? I ASKED WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WAS IN THE DISTRICT.
SO THE COMPLETED STRUC STRUCTURE WILL, THE ONLY SOLID PART WILL BE THE ROOF? YES.
SO THE SIDES ARE COMPLETELY OPEN AND THE YES.
AND, AND ROUGHLY HOW FAR AWAY IS IT FROM THE APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S UP THERE? ONE DRILL MORE, THE NEW APARTMENT STRUCTURE THAT'S ON DROR.
WOULD YOU AGREE MORE THAN THAT? WE'RE TWO 16 TO THE, SO LINING THE ROAD AND LIVING BEYOND THE ROAD, THAT'S PROBABLY LIKE 300.
I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE THE STRUCTURE FROM ANYWHERE BUT ON THE LAND OF THE NATURE CENTER, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, YES.
WE'RE HE HEAVILY WOODED? UM, 33 ACRES AND IT'S
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NESTLED SORT OF IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR PROPERTY WHEN I'VE BEEN IN THE PARKING LOT THERE.I DON'T RECALL BEING ABLE TO SEE ANYTHING BUT THE WOODS.
YOU ACTUALLY CAN SEE ONE DRILL MORE.
THE NEW, UM, APARTMENT BUILDING THERE, YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE PARKING LOT.
THE NEW APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S ACROSS THE ACROSS ROW.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.
AND WE NOW HAVE JASON LILLO 25 35.
THAT'S, I THINK THE PLANS ARE, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO SHARE THIS SCREEN HERE.
YEAH, I JUST GOTTA GET TO MY NO, IT'S ON MY YOU MIGHT DESKTOP.
I'M THE PROJECT ARCHITECT, MR. JASON RIVA, THE HOMEOWNER IS ALSO HERE THIS EVENING, IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU, UM, IS A THREE-PART EXPANSION, UH, TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
UM, IT'S LOCATED IN THE R 20 ZONE.
UH, PRESENTLY THE HOUSE IS A TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH, ONE CAR GARAGE RESIDENCE.
AND THE PROPOSED EXPANSION WOULD CREATE, UH, A TOTAL OF, UH, FOUR BEDROOMS, THREE BATHROOMS, AND TWO CARS.
UH, PRIMARILY, IF YOU SEE ON THE SHARED SCREEN UP THERE, UH, ONE, UH, FACET OF THE EXPANSION IS A SIX FOOT BY 10 FOOT ENTRY FOYER.
UH, I CAN SHARE THE FLOOR PLANS A LITTLE LATER, BUT ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU WALK IN TO THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU LITERALLY ALMOST STEP ONTO THE STAIRS THAT GO UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
IT'S A VERY, VERY TIGHT, UH, ENTRYWAY.
SO THIS WOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT TO COME IN, UH, WITH A COAT CLOSET ON ONE SIDE AND THE ABILITY TO HAVE LIKE A TRUE FOYER AREA.
UM, THIS EXPANSION WOULD REQUIRE A, UH, 5.38 FOOT VARIANCE FROM THIS BOARD IF YOU SO CHOOSE.
UH, AN ADDITIONAL EXPANSION IS EXPANDING THE GARAGE, UH, THE PRESENT GARAGE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE BY 14 FEET, UH, WHICH WOULD THEN CONVERT THE SINGLE, UH, CAR GARAGE TO A TWO CAR GARAGE.
UH, THAT EXPANSION ENCROACHES 5.58 FEET INTO THE REQUIRED SIDE YARD.
UH, THE GARAGE EXPANSION ALSO, UH, COMES OUT TWO FEET FROM THE PRESENT HOUSE.
UH, AND THAT WOULD ENCROACH, UH, 1.38, UH, FEET INTO THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD.
UH, AND THEN THE TOTAL, UH, OF THE TWO SIDE YARDS, UH, WOULD REQUIRE A 1.25, UH, UH, FOOT VARIANCE FOR THE TOTAL OF BOTH SIDES.
ON TOP OF THIS GARAGE EXPANSION, UH, WILL BE A 24 AND A HALF FOOT BY 27 FOOT EIGHT INCH, UH, SECOND FLOOR ADDITION, WHICH WOULD HOUSE THE NEW PRIMARY, UH, BATH, UH, BEDROOM
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AND, UH, UM, AND BATHROOM AND WALK-IN CLOSET.UM, THE HOUSE IS A RELATIVELY SMALL HOUSE IN COMPARISON TO SOME OF ITS NEIGHBORS.
UH, IT IS KIND OF UNIQUE IN THE SENSE THAT, UH, BASED ON THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RECORDS, UH, THAT I, THAT I WAS ABLE TO OBTAIN.
FIRST OF ALL, THE HOUSE IS WHAT WE CALL SLAB ON GRADE.
THERE'S NO BASEMENT OR CRAWL SPACE.
SO THEY'RE VERY LACKING IN WHAT YOU NORMALLY WOULD BE ABLE TO STORE OR HAVE BASEMENT SPACE IN, UH, DOWNSTAIRS.
THE HOUSE WENT THROUGH TWO SECOND FLOOR EXPANSIONS IN ITS HISTORY.
THERE WAS A SMALL ADDITION TO THE REAR.
THEY RAISED THE ROOF ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THERE WAS A RAISING OF THE REAR ROOF ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH BRINGS THE HOUSE TO ITS PRESENT FORM.
UM, WHAT THIS WOULD ALLOW IS FOR, UH, THE VOS, UH, AGAIN, TO CREATE A, UH, TWO CAR GARAGE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE CARS INSIDE RATHER THAN ON THE DRIVEWAY.
IT WOULD GIVE THEM A SIZABLE, UH, AND COMFORTABLE PRIMARY BEDROOM AND BATHROOM.
AND JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO END UP WITH THREE BEDROOMS ON THE SECOND FLOOR, UH, FOR WHAT THEY POTENTIALLY HOPE TO BE A GROWING FAMILY.
UM, SO, UH, ALSO, UH, IF I MAY SHARE JUST THE FLOOR PLANS, JUST SO YOU GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHERE THE DOOR IS NOW IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THOSE STAIRS THAT LEAD UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR RIGHT THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S EXTREMELY TIGHT.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE WITH THE DARK, UH, LINES, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE HERE BY BUMPING THE, UH, THE, A FOYER OUT SIX FEET BY 10 FEET ACROSS.
AND THEN THE TWO CAR GARAGE IS SELF-EXPLANATORY.
AND THEN OF COURSE, ON THE SECOND FLOOR ABOVE THE TWO CAR GARAGE IS THE PRIMARY SUITE.
UM, AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE REQUEST OF THE VARIANCE.
AND THOSE ARE JUST THE ELEVATIONS.
UH, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THE OVERALL SCALE OF THE HOUSE, UH, DOWN, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN GOING A FULL TWO STORIES WITH THE ROOF ON TOP OF IT, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE TRY TO CREATE MORE OF A COTTAGEY FEEL WITH IT SO THAT IT, IT DOES NOT HAVE A LOT OF MASSING IN BULK, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA OF THE ADDITION ABOVE THE GARAGE.
SO WHEN YOU LOOKED AT IT, UM, AND YOU LOOKED AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND INCREASE THE SIZE, DID YOU LOOK AT POTENTIALLY MOVING THE FRONT DOOR SO IT WOULDN'T BE RIGHT ON THE STAIRS, LIKE ESSENTIALLY MOVING IT OVER TO, WELL, THE RIGHT AS YOU'RE FACING THE HOUSE, BUT SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT WHAT THAT DOES IS IT, YOU STILL WALK RIGHT INTO THE LIVING ROOM AND YOU STILL DON'T HAVE A, UM, A COAT CLOSET, UH, YOU KNOW, A COAT, UH, ESSENTIALLY RIGHT THERE.
THE OTHER PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THE DOOR, THEN IT'S THE WAY IT WOULD NEED TO REALLY SWING TO BE APPROPRIATE.
IT WOULD NEED TO BE WHAT WE CALL A LEFT HAND SWING DOOR, WHICH WOULD THEN, AGAIN, SWING TOWARDS AND BLOCK THE CIRCULATION FROM THE STAIRS.
UM, I MEAN, THAT, THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY EASIER SOLUTION, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OBJECTIVE OF TRYING TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, A TRUE MORE TRADITIONAL FOYER WITH A CO CLASSIFIED THE ENTRANCE.
SO THE, THE EXISTING HOUSE HAS JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SETBACK CURRENTLY, JUST AND HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO OTHER HOUSES ON THE STREET? Y YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO TELL, UH, EXACTLY, BUT THE, THE, THE HOUSE IS VERY SIMILAR.
WHAT, WHAT'S ODD HERE, AND, AND I SEE THIS A LOT ALL OVER WESTCHESTER, LOOK, I MEAN, LOOK HOW DEEP THE LOT IS, RIGHT? BUT THEY DECIDED TO BUILD A HOUSE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE STREET.
NOW WHETHER THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS POPULAR IN THE FIFTIES, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT DEEP PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT'S A FLAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
SO THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS WITH ROCK OUT PROPERTIES OR STEEP SLOPES, ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DIDN'T GIVE THEMSELVES MORE ROOM, BUT YES, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THEY PUT, IT'S NOT RIGHT ON THE LINE.
BUT YES, THE, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT ALMOST RIGHT AT THE LIMIT.
UH, AS FAR AS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS CONCERNED.
IT, IT WAS, THE GOAL WAS TO GIVE YOUR CHILDREN A BIG BACKYARD.
BUT IF YOU COULD GO, COULD YOU SCROLL DOWN AGAIN? WHICH, WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? UM, THE FLOOR PLANS.
THE ONE WHERE YOU SHOWED THE COTTAGEY LOOK.
SO I SEE YOU'RE REPEATING TRIANGLES.
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RIGHT NOW, UM, OKAY, YOU'RE ADDING THE FRONT.I SEE THAT WHAT WE'RE ADDING IS THIS, IS THIS IN FOOTPRINT, BUT, BUT I DON'T SEE IN THE PHOTO OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, THAT SECOND TRIANGLE COTTAGE WITH THE WINDOWS.
SO WE WE'RE ADDING THAT, BUT THAT'S MORE OF AN ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENT.
BUT THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT SEEING IT DOES NOT, BECAUSE IT'S, THIS FACE IS ON TOP OF THIS FACE, WHICH IS THE FRONT WALL OF THE HOUSE.
SO THIS IS NOT CREATING, IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS NOT BEING MOVED FORWARD OR BUILT FORWARD IN THE EXISTING HOUSE.
IS THIS, THAT'S NOT A DORMER THAT'S HAPPENING.
IT, IT'S A DORMER IN A TRUEST SENSE, BUT IT IS NOT BEING BUILT BEYOND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING HOUSE.
BUT IT, IT'S BEING BUILT ON THE EXISTING ROOF, ESSENTIALLY.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING, AND THE TWO CAR GARAGE IS YOU'RE TAKING DOWN THE EXISTING GARAGE, AND THIS IS ONLY, YOU SAID TWO FEET WIDER? NO, FOUR.
WE'RE EXPANDING THE GARAGE BY 14 FEET TO THE SIDE.
WE ARE COMING OUT TWO FEET FROM THE FACE.
SO THESE GARAGE DOORS ARE TWO FEET CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN THE HOUSE.
BECAUSE I WANTED TO GIVE IT SOME DEFINITION FOR THIS MASSING TRYING TO AVOID ORIGINAL, I MEAN THIS, A LOT OF THIS HAD TO DO WITH TRYING TO GET RID OF A SINGLE STORY HOUSE WITH A SUPER LONG ROOF THAT WENT UNINTERRUPTED.
UM, NOT NECESSARILY APPEALING FROM A DESIGN POINT OF VIEW.
SO BY PUSHING THIS OUT TWO FEET, WE GAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE GARAGE ROOM INSIDE, WHICH WILL HELP WITH STORAGE, BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY HAVE NO BASEMENT.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE YOU, YOU SEE THE WAY THE SECOND FLOOR, THEY RAISE THE REAR WALL, IF YOU BRING THAT ACROSS, THERE'S NO ATTIC SPACE.
THERE'S BARELY ENOUGH ROOM UP THERE TO PUT THE MECHANICALS AND AIR CONDITIONING.
SO THE, THE SLIGHTLY, UH, DEEPER GARAGE WILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE STORAGE.
YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THE ANTICIPATION IS BIKES AND SKATEBOARDS AND WHATEVER ELSE, YOU KNOW, KIDS NEED.
SO THIS IS TWO FEET PROUD OF THE EXISTING FRONT.
SO THAT'S PURELY A DESIGN ELEMENT WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF STRUCTURAL NEED.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMING INSIDE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THAT DESIGN FEATURE, RIGHT? WE'RE ASKING, RIGHT.
WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE OF, UH, STANDING IN THE GARAGE, UH, 1.3 FEET, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY ONE FOOT FOUR INCHES IS, AND, AND, AND AS, AS SMALL AS THE VARIANCE IT IS, I DO BELIEVE IT HAS A HUGE IMPACT ON THE VISUAL ASPECT AND ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE.
I JUST THINK THAT THIS READS NICELY WITHOUT HAVING THIS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE A LOT OF THIS WAS DESIGN ELEMENTS TO INTERRUPT THAT LONG ROOF.
AND THIS THEN CREATES ITS OWN MASSING, UH, AND HELPS IT BREAK UP THIS LONG, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE AGAIN, THE HOUSE IS LOW LYING, BUT IT'S VERY LONG, VERY WIDE.
WELL, YOU STILL, I MEAN, WHETHER OR NOT YOU BRING IT FORWARD, YOU CAN, YOU STILL HAVE THE ROOF LINE CHANGING.
YOU STILL HAVE ALL OF THAT CHANGING EX, EXCEPT THAT TRUE, TRUE.
EXCEPT THAT THIS SPRING LINE FOR THE ROOF, THE GARAGE NEEDS TO BE NINE FEET HIGH SO THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH CLEARANCE TO HAVE YOUR GARAGE DOOR TRACKS AND EVERYTHING SO THAT IT WORKS PROPERLY.
SO THIS ENTIRE STRUCTURE STARTS HIGHER ANYWAY.
THEN THE MAIN, AND THEN IF YOU LOOK ON THE PLAN, YOU CAN EVEN SEE WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A COUPLE STEPS TO GET UP INTO THAT AREA.
AGAIN, IT IS ARCH, IT IS DESIGN DRIVEN.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IN, IN LOOKING AT IT, WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT IT WAS A HUGE REQUEST TO ASK FOR A ONE FOOT, FOUR INCH, UH, VARIANCE.
UH, AND THE BENEFIT FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, CONTEXT OF THIS, I THOUGHT OUTWEIGHED THE MINOR INTRUSION ON THE FRONT YARD REQUIREMENT.
I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT SENTENCE.
THAT IT, I THINK IT ALMOST LOOKS LESS INTEGRATED INTO THE HOUSE BY DOING THAT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S PREFERENCE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY LETTERS FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS? I'M SORRY? ARE THERE ANY LETTERS? LET'S SEE.
ARE THERE ANY LETTERS FROM THE NEIGHBORS? ANY RESPONSES? NO RESPONSES.
WE, WE HAVE NO, WE HAVE NO LETTERS IN FAVOR, BUT WE ALSO HAVE NO RESPONSES OR NO, I DON'T BELIEVE ANY LETTERS WERE SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN, RIGHT? NO.
OR AT LEAST I WASN'T MADE AWARE OF 'EM.
DID YOU JUST, DID YOU DISCUSS IT WITH THE NEIGHBOR ON THE SIDE WHERE ASKING FOR THE, UM, SET THE VARIANCE FOR THE SETBACK? I'LL LET YOU SPEAK.
UM, SO MY WIFE AND I, UM, AND OUR NEWLY BORN SON JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, UH, LIVE IN THE HOUSE.
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UM, WE, WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBOR ON THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE, UM, ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE PLANS, UM, DIRECTLY, NO, THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU, IS THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION? IT LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN ALL YOUR OTHER NEIGHBORS.YOU'RE RIGHT, IT LOOKS NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT'S ALSO VERY LARGE.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT HOUSE IS PROBABLY IN CONTEXT, THE LARGER OF THE HOMES IN THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, UH, IT'S SET BACK PRETTY SUBSTANTIALLY, BUT IT'S ALSO VERY LARGE IN, IN SIZE IN COMPARE, IN COMPARISON TO THE HOMES ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET, ON EITHER SIDE OF MR. VOS RESIDENCE.
UM, THIS, FOR THE BUILDING IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS A PROPOSED ADDITION ON YOUR IMPERVIOUS, UH, NUMBERS EIGHT AND NINE, I THINK YOU'RE NOT PART OF THAT, ONE OF THOSE.
OH, SO THEY, HOLD ON, THEY'RE ON THIS SURVEY.
YEAH, BUT THE SURVEY IS, SO, SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A, UH, A SHED AND A LITTLE, UH, PAVING STONE BEHIND IT, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE ENLARGING THAT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ON, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PAGE IS THE EXISTING SITE PLAN.
THAT'S THE SURVEY AS, AS, AS THE HOUSE STANDS.
NOW, THE DRAWING ON THIS SIDE OF, OF THE SHEET ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, UH, SHOWS THE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE DARKENED GARAGE ADDITION, THE SLIGHTLY BUMPED OUT IN THE FRONT, AND THEN THE SMALL FOYER ADDITION OVER THERE.
SO THAT'S AN EXISTING STRUCTURE IN THE BACK.
YOU SEE IT, IT SHOWS ON THE EXISTING SURVEY ALSO.
WHERE ARE YOUR ARROWS? JUST RIGHT, RIGHT.
CAN YOU SEE THAT ON THE, ON THE, OH, OKAY.
THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
THAT IS AN EXISTING SHED WITH A STONE PAVER.
UM, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONS ON YOUR, ON SP TWO, YOU HAVE, UM, NUMBERS, UM, NUMBER NINE, AND, UH, YEAH, NINE.
NUMBER ON, ON SP TWO, RIGHT? UM, NUMBER EIGHT IS THE EXISTING REAR STONE AND ACCESS STRUCTURE.
AND THEN THERE'S A PROPOSED ADDITION OF 467 SQUARE FEET.
SO IF, SO, WHEN WE DO THESE CHARTS, WE DO THE EXISTING RIGHT.
AND FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, EXISTING TO PROPOSED.
SO NUMBER EIGHT IS AN EXISTING REAR STONE ACCESS STRUCTURE, EXISTING REAR STONE ACCESS STRUCTURE.
NEXT TO IT, WHAT'S BELOW YOU IS THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ADDITION FOR, UH, THAT, I'M SORRY.
THAT, THAT NINE IN THE BACK SHOULD NOT BE THERE.
THE NINE THAT, THAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO IN THE CHART IS THE ADDITION ON THE SIDE THERE, THE GARAGE ADDITION.
THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM'S OCCURRING.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST EITHER A LAYERING ISSUE THAT MIGHT, THAT SHOULD HAVE MAYBE BEEN AN EIGHT.
FOR SOME REASON THAT BECAME A NINE, BUT THE NINE ON THE CHART IS, UH, REFERRING TO THE ADDITION.
AND DO YOU, UM, INTEND ON, UM, INSTALLING, UM, LANDSCAPING WHERE IN THE SIDE YARD, IN THE
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AREA WHERE YOU'RE REQUESTING THE VARIANCE? THERE, THERE, THERE IS SOME VEGETATION THERE, BUT YES.UH, IF, IF THE BOARD, UH, BELIEVES THAT THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED, UM, IN AS A CONDITION OF GRANTING A VARIANCE, ABSOLUTELY.
ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD? THERE SEEMS TO BE PLENTY OF ALREADY.
ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE OR HERE? I JUST WOULD LIKE, IF YOU CONSIDERED, UH, NOT MAKING A TWO CAR GARAGE, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO ASK FOR THE SIDE VARIANCE AND YOU COULD BUILD THE MASTER SUITE PARTIALLY OVER THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
I, I, I MEAN THAT'S COM THAT'S AN OPTION.
BUT, UH, I THINK THE OBJECTIVE HERE, LIKE I SAID, THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO TRY TO CREATE A TWO CAR GARAGE SO THAT THE CARS COULD BE BROUGHT IN OUT OF THE RAIN AND SNOW AND, UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE UPPER LEVEL ABOVE THAT TO CREATE THE, THIS SPACE.
UH, I MEAN, THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OBJECTIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT THE CLIENT OR THE OWNER'S LOOKING FOR IS WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING BEFORE YOU, UH, IN A WAY TO TRY TO ACHIEVE, UH, THE TWO CAR GARAGE, WHICH IS SORT OF IMPORTANT.
YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, THE TWO WORKING PEOPLE, TWO CARS BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO BRING 'EM OUT OF THE, THE COLD AND THE RAIN AND THE BABY.
YOU THREE CARDS,
SO WHAT HAPPENS NOW IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO OUR DELIBERATIONS.
YOU CAN STAY HERE AND LISTEN IF YOU WANT, OR YOU CAN GO HOME AND LISTEN IF YOU WANT
BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE GOING.
WHO'S GOT A PICTURE OF WILLIAM WHO MADE THE MOTION, DIDN'T FILE, DIDN'T SUBMIT IT? WAS THAT THE, SO I SENT, I SENT, WAS THAT THE DRIVEWAY? YEAH.
SO I SENT HIM AND ALL OF YOU WERE REQUEST FOR THOUGHTS AND IDEAS ON YEAH.
WELL, I THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENED IS, IS WE DISCOVERED THAT YOU, YOU GUYS CHANGED YOUR EMAILS FROM.COM TO.GOV.
YEAH, BUT THEY, I, IT WENT IN MY JUMP.
I DIDN'T GET IT UNTIL, UNTIL, YEAH.
SO I'VE BEEN GETTING, I HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING THE EMAILS FOR, FOR I GUESS FOR THE LAST WEEK.
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO FIGURED THAT OUT.
BUT WE WERE ASSURED THAT IT WOULDN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WAS THAT OKAY.
WELL, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO TOLD ME.
YOU DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE? YEAH, WE HAVE AN EXPERT.
HE'S GOT THE EDWARD ON MURROW.
HE CAN STAND UP AND SING AND DO A WHOLE LOUNGE ACT.
HE'S DEFINITELY ON, RIGHT? THEY'RE BOTH ON TOO.
NO, NO, WE'RE STILL BACK AT 25.
WELL, OH, WELL WE CLOSE THAT FOR DECISION ONLY, RIGHT? SO WE'LL RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS, ANY REVISIONS? I GAVE YOU MY COMMENTS.
I DID, I GAVE YOU MY COMMENTS.
BE SAY, I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THE CHANGES YOU DID.
SO I WAS FINE WITH IT BEFORE AND AFTER, BUT I DID.
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SO YOU'VE GOT IT.YOU WANT IT? YOU HAVE THE TWO MICS.
DO YOU HAVE THIS, THE DECISION? I DON'T THINK SO.
NOW I DO NOW SHE HAS IN TITLE.
YOU ARE THE ONE THAT HAS TO READ IT.
WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IS ANYTHING ELSE? IT'S PRETTY LENGTHY.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU I NEED TO WRITE? OH, WE'RE JUST GONNA, YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA READ THAT.
THERE'S NO BLANK SPACES, SO I'M GOOD.
YOU NEED A PAPER CLIP? I'M JUST GONNA GO TO RIGHT HERE.
I DON'T NEED A PAPERCLIP NECESSARILY.
THIS ONE HAS BEEN, THIS IS A TRICKY ONE TO READ THOUGH.
SO NOW WE'RE AT 35, 31, 25, 31.
DO WE HAVE TO DEVOTE OR DO ANYTHING ON 25 20 WI ON JOHN WISDOM, 10 MAPLEWOOD THAT ARE TABLING IT FOR AN UNKNOWN DATE? WELL, THEY, THEY MADE THAT REQUEST IN TIME SO THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
BEFORE WE HOP ALONG, I'M DOING FINDINGS HERE, BUT THIS IS ALSO FINDINGS.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO DO, GONNA JUST DO THIS.
AND THEN WE'RE GOING, THE FINDINGS WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE ROOM.
IT DOESN'T GET TO READ IT IN PUBLIC.
25, 31 METROPOLIS, METROPOLIS COUNTRY CLUB.
I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY ABOUT IT.
I'LL JUST HOPE THAT THEY CAN GET THE STREET FIXED.
YEAH, SO THE ONLY I, I'M FINE WITH THIS.
THE ONLY THING IS, IS THAT, UM, I THINK THAT WE'D NEED TO PUT IN A CONDITION AROUND LANDSCAPING ON THIS AND HAVE IT APPROVED BY THE FORESTRY OFFICER.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'D BE, WELL, SHE SAID THAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN TREES, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE FORESTRY.
WELL, BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT SCREENING.
I WOULD REQUIRE AS A CONDITION THAT THEY PUT UP SCREENING ALONG THE STREET.
DO YOU KNOW HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE STREET IT IS? THEY'RE NOT ON THE STREET.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT METROPOLIS NOW.
WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK I'M TALKING ON, ON SARINO? THERE'S NO METROPOLIS.
YEAH, THAT'S 12 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE, THE NATURE CENTER, WHICH IS SET BACK.
SO YOU JUST, I'M, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S ON HOLY LEFT.
SO WHAT IS IT UP AGAINST? PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS? IT'S, YEAH, A CUL, BUT CUL-DE-SAC I THOUGHT WAS A, I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE A, UH, LIKE A STREET RIGHT THERE.
AND THERE ARE HOUSES AND THEN THERE'S THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN SETBACK.
THEY HAVE SCREENING IN THEIR, IN THEIR DESIGN.
SO I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH MAKING THAT A CONDITION.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO ANYWAY.
THEY HAVE TO REPLACE ALL THE TREES.
YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE ONES THAT THEY, THE PROBLEM.
FOR THE TREES NOW, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
IT'S SMALLER, IT'S LESS IMPERVIOUS.
IT'S 630 SQUARE FEET LESS IMPERVIOUS SPACE.
THEY COULD TAKE DOWN FURTHER FROM THE PROPERTY LINE IF THEY WANTED TO.
THEY COULD TAKE DOWN EVERYTHING.
THE, THE PICTURES, AT LEAST ON, ON GOOGLES, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE, YOU KNOW, IT HAD ALL THESE OUTSIDE WIRES AND WAS MUCH MORE SIGHTLY.
ANYTHING THEY TAKE DOWN, THEY HAVE TO, IT'S NICE THAT THEY HOUSE THEIR EMPLOYEES.
SO YOU'VE GOT A GRANT SUBJECT TO THE, THE USUAL CONDITIONS AND LANDSCAPES TO THE SATISFACTION.
DO WE WANT TO DISCUSS CHRISTIAN MORE AT THIS POINT?
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DISCUSS WHICH ONE? THE, MR THE CO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.AS, AS IS, I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO MODIFY, AS WE DO WITH MOST PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO HAVING, YOU KNOW, SAY THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT X, Y, AND Z AND DOES HE WANT TO SIT DOWN WITH A BUILDING OR COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT PLAN? I, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT I, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS SOMEONE WHO IS NEW TO THE PROCESS, DOES NOT HAVE A LAWYER AND AN ARCHITECT STANDING THERE WITH HIM.
UM, AND I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE HIM A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST AS MUCH AS WE GIVE OTHER PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY, LET'S SAY TIME AND COACHING.
THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
AS IT AS IT STANDS NOW, IT'S A NO, IN MY MIND, IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC AS IT STANDS NOW.
OH, THAT'S, I KNEW THERE WAS A WORD I WAS MISSING.
THE NEWBURY, THE NEWBERRY, SOMEBODY'S GONNA EXPLAIN TO HIM WHAT ADJOURNED FROM FOR ALL PURPOSES MEANS THINK SOMEBODY IS RIGHT NOW, OR IS THAT WHAT HE'S DOING RIGHT NOW? SOMEONE'S TALKING TO HIM NOW.
YEAH, ACTUALLY AN ARCHITECT'S TALKING TO HIM.
UM, IT'S A DEFINITE YES, BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T WRITE UP ANY FINDINGS.
THAT'S WHY I, I GET TO ONE UP.
YOU, I'M HAVING A HIP REPLACED ON DECEMBER ONE.
I, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WRITE THIS ONE UP.
LOOK, LET ME HAVE AN EASY ONE THAT I CAN MAYBE DO.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO DO ONE WHEN BILL, WHEN WILLIAM BLAND IS HERE, HE TEACHES YOU HOW TO DO IT.
WE'LL SHOW YOU, I'LL SHOW YOU.
SO WE WANNA VOTE ON THIS WITH FIVE QUESTIONS.
WE DIDN'T OFFICIALLY VOTE ON THIS ONE.
NO, WE DIDN'T, BUT YOU GOT MY VOTE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT, AND I, THIS IS A WILD THOUGHT, IS THAT AT SOME POINT, EITHER THROUGH THIS ZONING CHANGE OR THROUGH WHATEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT SO THAT IF YOU ARE USING PERVIOUS PAVERS OR SOMETHING THAT IS PERVIOUS, YOU GET A PERCENTAGE ALLOWED OF YOUR IMPERVIOUS.
YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU PUT DOWN 300 SQUARE FEET OF PERVIOUS PAVERS INSTEAD OF LAPTOP AND CONCRETE, YOU GET AN EXTRA FIVE OR 10% LARGER THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD.
IT'S NOT REALLY, IT DOESN'T COUNT AS PERVIOUS, BUT IT DOESN'T.
NOW I'M SAYING I WOULD LIKE US, I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE IT IF THAT WERE THE ZONING CHANGE.
BUT IN THIS CASE, UM, BUT I CAN'T, IT, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A TOPIC OF A ZONING CHANGE.
BUT I'M WONDERING, AND IT WAS ALWAYS SAYING THERE ARE OTHER TOWNSHIPS THAT HAVE ALREADY, UM, CHANGED THEIR IMPERVIOUS PREVIOUS SITUATION TO INCLUDE SUCH THINGS AS RIGHT PERVIOUS.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEND YOUR COMMENTS TO GARRETT BECAUSE THEY'RE UPDATING THE ZONING CODE.
SO YOUR, WE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW
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IT WAS MENTIONED.I DON'T WANT TO GET STRONGLY THERES A LOG, THERE'S A LONG THING AND, BUT IT, IT WOULD, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THE ZONING IS NOT BEING CHANGED TO INCLUDE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO DO THINGS AND WE SAY WE'RE SETTING PRECEDENTS OR WHATEVER.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE, IN THIS CASE, IT'S TOO HARD BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BUILT.
BUT TO SAY WHEN PEOPLE ARE REQUESTING IN ADVANCE, COULD SOMETHING BE DONE AND SAY, BE MORE LENIENT WITH A VARIANCE IF IT'S WITH PERVIOUS PAVERS AS OPPOSED TO THE CAT OR CONCRETE OR WHATEVER.
I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE DONE IT IN THIS SITUATION, BUT IT'S ALL BUILT.
WELL, YOU CAN INCLUDE THAT IN THE FINDINGS AS A MEDICATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY, IT'S EITHER SUBSTANTIAL OR INSUBSTANTIAL, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO, UH, CHARACTERIZE IT.
BUT THE NEED FOR THE VARIANCE IS MITIGATED BY THE FACT THAT THESE ARE PERVIOUS PAVERS.
WHAT, WHAT I WAS ASKING THEM IN THE QUESTIONS, I'M NOT SURE THESE ARE, THEY'RE NOT.
NO, I ASKED THE QUESTION, BUT, AND SO THEN I ASKED THE QUESTION, DID YOU DO ANY ADDITIONAL PAVING, UH, PLANTINGS? AND IT SEEMS THAT THE MITIGATION HERE WAS THEY ADDED TWO LARGE MAGNOLIA TREES AND A NUMBER OF PRITTS.
THEY ALSO DID A, UH, INSTALLED DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
SO, SO THEY DID, THEY DID THINGS THAT MITIGATED.
AND I THINK IN THIS CASE THAT, THAT FOR ME, THAT MADE, THAT MOVED ME TO LIKE THE, WHICH, IF I REMEMBER THIS CASE AND WHAT I READ, THERE'S LIKE TWO BIG PILES OF GRAVEL THAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD LOVE TO HAVE REMOVED ONCE WE GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO COMPLETE.
I THOUGHT HE SAID IT WAS TO, UM, OH, I MISSED THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THIS, THIS ONE.
THAT WAS FOR WHAT? THAT WAS FOR 25.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE SOMETHING THAT WAS OH, MAPLEWOOD ROAD.
THAT, THAT'S THE, UH, CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY THAT'S BEEN TABLED.
IT'S SOME VERY NERVOUS PEOPLE SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE AND MY WAY OFF TONIGHT.
SO, SO GIVEN, GIVEN THE MITIGATING MEASURES, I PERSONALLY AM OKAY WITH THIS.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY CONDITIONS OR ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN.
DO YOU WANT ME TO WRITE THIS UP? OH, YOU ARE GONNA DO THAT.
PETER WANTED TO NO, I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING THE ONE BEFORE.
DOING YOU DOING THIS ONE? OH, WE'RE DISCUSSING ONLY ONE.
YEAH, IT'S THE POOL STER ROAD.
ALRIGHT, WHO'S DOING WHICH ONE? PETER? DOING? I'M DOING THE POOL.
AND WHO'S DOING THE, WHO'S DOING 31? 31? WE DIDN'T DECIDE SOMETHING.
IT'S ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES.
WE HAVE THE JOURNEY THAT THE COUNTRY CLUB.
WHO WANTS THE COUNTRY CLUB? WHICH ONE DID YOU SAY YOU WERE DOING? YOU WERE DOING THE COUNTRY CLUB? NO, I HAVEN'T SAID I WAS DOING ANYTHING YET.
OH, WE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE DOING THE COUNTRY CLUB.
BECAUSE YOU HAD THE IDEA OF THE CONDITION.
NO, BUT I, I DON'T I'M TO DO IT.
BUT WHAT SHE'LL DO THE COUNTRY CLUB.
NO, I I WHAT DID I TELL YOU? YOU'RE GONNA MEXICO.
THAT'LL BE REALLY EASY BECAUSE IN MEXICO I HAVE WRITTEN EVERYTHING.
I HEARD IT'S JUST LIKE DIANE'S DOING THE COUNTRY CLUB.
FALLS BACK TO BACK TO THE NURTURE CENTER.
I VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT OKAY'S HERE AND DEAR TO MY HEART BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY ALL DECIDED THAT IT'S A YES.
NO, I'M WILLING TO DO IT NO MATTER WHAT IT IS.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR COMPLAINTS OR NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT THE NATURE CENTER? NO.
A COMPOST TOILET? HOW DO YOU GO AGAINST THAT
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LAST TIME ANYONE'S BEEN THERE? I, LONG TIME I WENT LAST CHRISTMAS.I'VE NEVER GONE THERE CHAIR FOR THEIR CHRISTMAS SHOW.
I USED TO BELONG WHEN MY NIECE AND I WERE LITTLE AND I WAS A GIRL SCOUT LEADER.
IT, IT IS A PHENOMENAL, THEY JUST GO AND VISIT THE EAGLES.
THEY'RE JUST THERE TO SAY TOO.
WONDER IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING HOLIDAY TIME.
THEY HAVE LIKE A LITTLE HOLIDAY SALE.
WAS IT NICE? IT'S REALLY SMALL.
IT WAS JUST NICE TO LIKE WALK AROUND.
LAST TIME I WENT THERE WAS WHEN MY CHILDREN WERE SMALL.
I THINK IT WAS INSIDE THE BUILDING.
WHO WAS, IT WAS CRITICAL OF THE MANOR DRIVE HOUSE.
WE, WE JUST CHANGED THE LAST ONE HERE.
WHO IS CRITICAL OF THE MATTER? DRIVE HOUSE.
I GOT A CRITICAL, OH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS NICE.
I I I THOUGHT YOUR QUESTION WAS WELL TAKEN ABOUT HAS ANYBODY CONTACTED THE NEIGHBORS? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE TO SAY.
THAT WAS, I TEND TO, I TEND TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
SO I, WELL, I MEAN I JUST, I MEAN, I SEE THAT WE'RE GOING, THERE'S ONE NEIGHBOR ON THE SIDE THAT WE'RE NOW GOING PRETTY CLOSE TO.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE.
I MEAN, I THINK ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE ARTISTIC, PUSHING THE GARAGE FORWARD.
AND NOW IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A, A LEGO THAT'S NOT LINED UP.
YOU KNOW WHY I GAVE YOU THAT LOOK.
WHAT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ARCHITECT IS TRYING TO DO.
I UN I UNDERSTAND
I'M SORRY I WAS NOTHING COMPARED TO, UM, PETER SAYING, WELL, COULDN'T YOU ONLY HAVE ONE CAR DRIVEWAY AND MOVE THE, IF YOU REDESIGN THE CLOSET, SEE YOU WERE RIGHT NEXT TO, SO YOU COULDN'T SEE MY LOOK.
BUT THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF WHAT THE ARCHITECT AND THE, AND THE OWNERS WERE TRYING TO DO.
BUT THE POINT IS THAT'S VERY NICE FOR THEM.
BUT WE HAVE A JOB THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, WHICH IS PROTECTING THE ZONING LAWS.
OUR JOB IS RELIEF FROM THE CODE.
OUR JOB IS NOT TO PROTECT, OTHERWISE COORDINATE.
BUT IT'S RELIEF FROM THE CODE WHEN NEEDED.
BUT NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S WANTED.
IF WE GRANTED IT EVERY TIME IT WAS WANTED, WE WOULD NEVER SAY NO.
SO IF SOMETHING IS JUST 'CAUSE OH, I THINK THAT'S A NICE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT IS NOT, THAT'S NOT REALLY THAT TWO FEET OF THE GARAGE, FIRST OF ALL.
I DON'T EVEN THE 1.1 AND A HALF FEET FOR THE MIDDLE FRONT PIECE THAT DOESN'T, ISN'T, THAT'S DE MINIMUS IN MY OPINION.
WITH THE TWO CARS, THAT'S A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
A TWO CAR GARAGE, OF COURSE EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A TWO CAR GARAGE.
AND IT'S ONE REASON I CAN'T STAND MY HOUSE AND WOULD LOVE, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY DOESN'T HAVE A BASEMENT.
THEY'RE COMING IN THE LOT IS GIANT.
THEY NEED NEED, THEY NEED A THREE CAR GARAGE AND A STORAGE ROOM.
SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE, THEY'RE A SLAB AND GRAY, NO BASEMENT, NO STORAGE IN AN ATTIC, YOU KNOW, AND THEY HAVE A REALLY LARGE PROPERTY.
AND SO, WELL THAT'S, THAT WAS THE ONE THING I NOTICED IS THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR IMPER, YOU KNOW, MORE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ALL YEAH.
AND THAT, THAT TO ME MADE IT LESS OF AN ISSUE.
AND YES, WITH, IN TERMS OF THE NEIGHBOR, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE SOMETHING FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
BUT WE DIDN'T GET A NEGATIVE FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
AND THEY DO STICK THOSE SIGNS OUT ON THE PROPERTY.
I PRESUME HIS PROPERTY HAD THE SIGN.
AND HONESTLY THE OWNERS IS ON THE, AND THEY NOTICE BY MAIL.
BUT THEY DON'T ALWAYS GET THOSE.
I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST ARE WE REALLY GONNA MAKE THEM COME BACK AND HAVE A LETTER FOR A LANDSCAPING? BUT NO, THIS ONE, THAT'S WHAT I SAID.
I WOULD DO THE SCREENING ON THIS ONE.
TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THERE IS SCREENING THERE, IT JUST, WE SHOULD PUT IT IN ANYWAY.
I MEAN I HONESTLY, LIKE, I WAS OKAY WITH THE FRONT.
I JUST ASKED THE QUESTIONS SO I COULD GET AN ANSWER OF WHY THEY DIDN'T MOVE THE DOOR OVER THE SIDE.
BUT I DIDN'T REALLY GET AN ANSWER.
IT'S, NO, HE SAID THAT WELL, THAT
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YOU'D WALK INTO THE LIVING ROOM.OH, THAT YOU WALK IN AND YOU BLOCK THE STEPS.
NO, BUT YOU COULD MOVE THE DOOR OVER AND YOU WALKED.
YEAH, NO, IT ACTUALLY WAS A VERY GOOD, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
THEY HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT
IT'S LIKE, WELL I I WAS GOING TO ASK HIM 'CAUSE HE SAID, WELL WE COULD HAVE DONE IT OR IT WAS AN OPTION.
I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL WHAT WAS THAT OPTION? BUT THEN I THOUGHT I'D KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT.
I MEAN WE COULD HAVE ASKED HIM TO THE WHOLE HOUSE BACK.
BUT DID YOU, COULD YOU JUST LIFT IT UP AND MOVE IT BACK? YEAH.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A BASE MAKE USE OF JUST ROLL IT AWAY.
IT WASN'T A LARGE ENOUGH VARIANCE TO LIKE I AM MORE CONCERNED ON THE SIDE, WHICH IS SIX FEET.
14 FEET ISN'T IT? YEAH, WELL IT'S SIX LESS THAN WAS REQUIRED.
IT'S, IT'S A SIX FOOT FROM 18 TO 12.
FIVE AND A HALF FROM 18 TO 12.
THE VARIANCE IS FIVE AND A HALF FEET.
THE IT'S GOING OUT 14 FEET MORE WASN'T ALL.
SO YOU'RE TALKING IT WASN'T RIGHT TO THE LIMIT.
SO IT'S THE LIMIT PLUS FIVE AND A HALF FEET.
WHICH I MEAN STILL IT'S 13 FEET AWAY.
YEAH, THERE'S CERTAINLY ROOM FOR SCREENING.
WHICH IS, 'CAUSE THE OTHER SIDE IS, I KNOW THE OTHER SIDE IS MUCH BIGGER.
SO IT'S ONE AND A QUARTER FEET.
BUT ON THE SIDE IN QUESTION IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
IT'S SIX FEET, SEVEN AND THREE 18 TO 12 EACH SIDE.
IT'S 5.58 FEET VARIANCE OR 31% DECREASE.
SO THERE'S ROOM FOR A FUTURE SWIMMING POOL PATIO IN THE BACK.
THEY COULD DO EVERYTHING BACK.
NO TAXI ROAD ALREADY HAS THE SWIMMING POOL IN GORGEOUS BACKYARD.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD JUST, ALRIGHT, I THINK MOVE THIS ONE ALONG 'CAUSE WE HAVE THE QUESTION IS WHO'S DOING IT? OH, YOU WANT ME TO DO IT'S SINCE I A WHOLE
WHAT IS THAT LANGUAGE SATISFACTION? SO THIS ONE'S, THIS ONE'S ADJOURNED.
NUMBER FOUR PROVIDED FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE SCREENING AND HAVE IT APPROVED BY THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, IT'S FOR THE COUNTRY CLUB.
THERE'S ACTUAL LIKE, OKAY
IT'S, YOU HEARD WHAT HE SAID TOO? THANK YOU.
DID YOU SAY THAT LAST WEEK, LAST MONTH? WHAT? WE HAVE TO BE OUT BY 10.
WE WERE HERE AND WAY AFTER MEN, WE WERE HERE.
WE WERE HERE TILL NIGHT AFTER MIDNIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I'M, THE LIGHTS WENT OFF.
WE, I HAD, I HAD A MELTDOWN AND I TRIED TO GET EVERYBODY TO VOTE, BUT EVERYONE'S LIKE, NO, SHE WANTS IT DONE.
WE HAVE TO BE, NO, I WANNA BE DONE BECAUSE I WANT AFTER LAST TIME IT'S NINE 20.
EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CAN GO HOME NOW.
EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE CAN LEAVE NOW BECAUSE YOU BASICALLY HEARD WHAT OUR DECISIONS ARE TO REMIND YOU OF WHAT, WE'RE ONLY NOW GOING TO FORMALLY GO UP THERE AND, UH, ANNOUNCE EVERYTHING FOR THE RECORD.
CAN I TURN OFF YOUR MICROPHONE?
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ARE YOU BACK? OH, WE'RE BACK.WE ARE BACK WITH THE RESULTS OF OUR DELIBERATIONS AND THE FIRST CASE IS CASE 25 17 6 SAL WAY SCARSDALE.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO CA COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY CONDUCTED A COORDINATOR, COORDINATOR COORDIN REVIEW AND DETERMINE THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS AN UNLISTED ACTION.
WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND ISSUED A NEUTRAL DECLARATION ON MAY 7TH, 2025.
IT SAYS NEUTRAL HERE, BUT IT'S NEGATIVE.
BUT THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION, THE SECRET, THE SECRET DETERMINATION IS IN THAT DECK AS I
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UNDERSTAND IT.SO THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION, DECLARATION ON MAY 7TH, 2025.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO, UM, YOU HAVE TO VOTE ON THE DECISION.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? WHERE IS, DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT? MOTION TO DENY I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE EVERYTHING IS SPELLED WRONG, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE 25 17 BE DENIED.
I WILL NOT READ THE FINDINGS BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY VOLUMOUS, VERY VOLUMINOUS.
HOWEVER, THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SEE THEM ALSO IN THE RECORD.
AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE THIS EVENING, THIS CASE 25 31 POL METROPOL.
I I DON'T SLEEP AT NIGHT ANYMORE.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE, THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD IS LEAD AGENCY CONDUCTED A COORDINATED REVIEW AND DETERMINED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS AN UNLISTED ACTION, WHEREAS THE GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON NOVEMBER 19TH, 2025.
AND THE, THE PLANNING BOARD JUST, IT ISSUED A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
THEY WERE NOT LEAD AGENCY IN THIS.
UM, THERE, THERE IS NO LEAD AGENCY BECAUSE IT'S A TYPE TWO ACTION.
UM, SO THERE WAS NO NEGATIVE DECLARATION.
SO JUST READ THE REGULAR ONE THAT WE USUALLY DO.
STRIKE THAT, UH, SECRET STATEMENT THAT I MADE.
I'LL REPEAT IT FOR METROPOLIS.
WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO CA COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER CA CONSIDERATION.
AND WHO HAS A MOTION? I I HAVE IT MADAM CHAIR.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE 25 31 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED JULY 18TH, RECEIVED ON NOVEMBER 5TH, 2025 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD, AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING.
THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE APPROVEMENT SHOWN ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
UM, AND THEN, UH, PROVIDED THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE SCREENING AND HAVE IT APPROVED BY THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
I I JUST ALSO WANNA CLARIFY THAT WE NEED AN AMENDED SPECIAL PERMIT
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IN CONNECTION WITH THIS.UM, SO IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND VOTING ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE VARIANCES, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DETERMINED WE NEEDED TO AMEND OUR SPECIAL PERMIT.
DO WE HAVE IT? I CAN'T DO THAT.
WE CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT THE REQUEST, CAN I? WE DID REQUEST.
WE DID REQUEST BEEN REQUESTED IN OUR STATEMENT OF PRINCIPLE POINTS WE REQUESTED, UM, A AMENDED SPECIAL PERMIT IN ADDITION TO THE VARIANCES HERE.
IT'S IN THE NOTICE IN IN ORDER TO OBTAIN SPECIAL PERMIT.
WHERE? RIGHT HERE IN ORDER TO OBTAIN IT WAS CERTAINLY REQUESTED SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
ALRIGHT, SO WE USE GRANT THAT NOW? YES.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO FOR THAT.
DO WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT IN ADDITION RIGHT NOW? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS
SO MAYBE I SHOULD READ WHAT? ADD THAT TO THE MOTION? YEAH, WHAT THE VARIANCE IS.
LET'S MOVE THAT WE TO SPECIAL PERMIT ALL UM, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SAY THE APPLICATION BE GRANTED.
THAT WAS PART OF THE MO THE APPLICATION.
I MOVE THE APPLICATION FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT BE GRANTED SECOND AND VARIANCES.
THANK YOU FOR THE RECORD TIME.
NEXT CASE IS CASE 25 32 CHRISTIAN EDCO AND THAT IS ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO THE MEETING OF DECEMBER 16TH.
IS IT 18TH? THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 20.
JOSEPH NEWBERRY 2 43 TAX ROAD.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THAT THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO C COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 25 DASH 33 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT AT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE THE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF THE BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLAN DATED MAY 5TH, 2023.
LAST PROVIDE REVISED JUNE 28TH, 2023 AND STAMP RECEIVED SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2025 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATIONS DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HERE.
THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENT SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED.
34 GREENBURG NATURE CENTER TOWN OF GREENBURG AND WHEREAS THE GREENBURG DVA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
SECOND, DO I HAVE AYE SAY YES.
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AYE.MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE A.
YES MADAM CHAIR I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 25 34 BE GRANTED.
PROVIDED THAT ONE THE APPLICANT OBTAINED ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS OF FILE, SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
TWO CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER.
IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLAN STAFFED RECEIVED ON OCTOBER 14TH, 2025 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION OR SUCH PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.
THE VARIANCE IS BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION ONLY AND A FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCES SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
JASON LUO 49 SOUTH MANOR DRIVE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT, THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 25 35 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE, SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER TWO, CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLAN DATED JULY 8TH, 2025 AND STAMP RECEIVED ON OCTOBER 15TH, 2025 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.
THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
NUMBER FOUR FURTHER THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHALL BE MET.
THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE SIDE YARD AREA NEXT TO THE PROPOSED GARAGE.
SUCH LANDSCAPING SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
THANK YOU ALL ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND WITH THIS I HOPE WE ALL HAVE THANKSGIVING.
I'LL BE HERE WITH CRUTCHES, BUT I'LL BE HERE RECORDING.