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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AGENDA THURSDAY, December 18, 2025 – 7:00 P.M. ]
YOU MADAM SECRETARY.WE HAVE ALRIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN.
WE'RE GONNA BEGIN OUR ROLL CALL NOW.
CHRISTIE NECK HERE IS PRESENT.
SHAUNA DANSON PRESENT IS PRESENT.
AND PETER BLAIR HERE IS PRESENT.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR ROLL CALL, MADAM CHAIR.
ALRIGHT, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY THAT SINCE WE ONLY HAVE FOUR, FOUR BODIES UP HERE, IF WE ALL COME TO A UNANIMOUS DECISION THAT'S, UH, ONE OF YOU MAY NOT WANT WHAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO, IF YOU CHOOSE TO ADJOIN, I'M SORRY, CLASS FOR ADJOURNMENT WITH RESPECT TO THIS HEARING.
SO NOW THE MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WITH THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL COME TO ORDER.
WE HAVE SEVEN CASES SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, HOWEVER, CASES EBA 25 30 13 PAGE, A RESTAURANT GROUP, TACO BELL, AS ADJOURNED TO FEBRUARY 19TH, 2026.
LOOKING FORWARD, THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON JANUARY 15TH.
MARK YOUR CALENDAR ACCORDINGLY.
BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF CASES WE NEED TO HEAR TONIGHT, WE MAY LIMIT TIME TO E TO, OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS ON.
WE MAY LIMIT TIME TO HEAR EACH CASE.
IF WE CANNOT FINISH HEARING A CASE, IT WILL BE ADJOURNED TO ANOTHER MEETING TO BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME, AS IN THE PAST.
IN ORDER TO SAVE TIME, WE WILL WAIVE THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH CASE.
HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD.
THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TONIGHT'S CASES, THE BOARD WILL MEET TO DISCUSS EACH CASE.
EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS AT THAT TIME, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS ON ALL CASES, WE ANNOUNCED THE BOARD'S DECISIONS IF FOR THE, IF WE HAVE, HAVE ANY FOR THE FORMAL RECORD AND TO BE BROADCAST TO THE, TO COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, YOU MUST COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.
THE FIRST PLACE WE HAVE TONIGHT IS CASE 25 24 HALL AND JOAN COLTON, SEVEN PRIMROSE AVENUE WEST.
WE'VE BEEN A GOOD NIGHT TO BRING SNACKS FOR THE, A MYSTERIOUS, A MYSTERIOUS PERSON ALREADY DEAD.
WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY'RE FROM.
UH, I'M PAUL COLTON IS MY WIFE JOAN.
WE ARE THE OWNERS OF SEVEN PRIMROSE AVENUE WEST.
UM, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST A AREA VARIANCE FOR OUR PROPERTY.
UM, THE DRIVEWAY AT SEVEN PRIMROSE AVENUE IS A PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED IN 1956 WITH A ZERO SETBACK.
WE PURCHASED THE HOME IN 2010 WITH THE DRIVEWAY IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION AND HAVE MADE NO ALTERATIONS TO IT.
THERE HAVE BEEN NO KNOWN ISSUES OR COMPLAINTS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE ARE SEEKING A VARIANCE TO LEGALIZE THE DRIVEWAY THAT WAS WIDENED AT SOME POINT PRIOR TO OUR PURCHASE OF THE HOME, POSSIBLY 1994 OR 2000 BETWEEN 1994 AND 2004.
UM, THE CURRENT DRIVEWAY, WE BELIEVE IS IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE STREET AND THE LOT PLANS WERE APPROVED BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG CICA, 19 55 56.
THE CURBING THAT WAS INSTALLED AT THE FOOT OF THE DRIVEWAY BY THE TOWN AFTER CONSTRUCTION APPEARS TO BE ORIGINAL AND SETS THE START OF THE DRIVEWAY AT A ZERO SETBACK TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE 31 OF OUR APPLICATION, WHICH IS THE THIRD FROM THE LAST PAGE, YOU CAN SEE THAT OUR PROPERTY SITS AT THE START OF A 90 DEGREE CURVE IN PRIMROSE AVENUE WEST.
AND THIS CREATES REDUCED FRONTAGE
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OF OUR PROPERTY COMPARED TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE NEIGHBORS.IF WE WERE REQUIRED TO BRING THE DRIVEWAY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE 12 FOOT SETBACK, IT WOULD RESULT IN A DRIVEWAY THAT IS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND DUE TO THE POSITION OF THE HOME ON THE IRREGULARLY SHAPED LOT, THE FOOT OF THE DRIVEWAY HAS ALWAYS BEEN INSIDE THE 12 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THAT IRRELEVANT.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE LOTS IN HILLTOP FARMS ARE SHAPED AS RECTANGLES WITH FRONTAGE ON THE STREET BETWEEN 80 AND A HUNDRED FEET.
UM, BACK AGAIN, LOOKING AT PAGE 31, OUR PROPERTY IS SHAPED AS A TRAPEZOID WITH REDUCED FRONTAGE FACING THE STREET, BUT A LARGER AMOUNT OF PROPERTY BEHIND THE HOUSE STRUCTURE.
IN OUR CASE, WE HAVE FRONTAGE OF ONLY 36.65 FEET, UH, COMPARED TO MOST OF OUR NEIGHBORS, NOT ALL, BUT MOST WHO HAVE BETWEEN 90 AND A HUNDRED FEET OF FRONTAGE.
UM, THE ALIGNMENT OF A DRIVEWAY USUALLY IS MORE OR LESS A STRAIGHT LINE FROM THE STREET TO THE GARAGE DOOR.
AND THAT'S THE STANDARD CONFIGURATION FOR HOUSES AND HILLTOP FARMS. THIS IS THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT SHOWS THE VISUAL INSPECTION OF THE HOUSES OR THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON PRIMROSE SHOW THAT APPROXIMATELY TWO THIRDS OF THE HOUSES HAVE HAD THEIR DRIVEWAYS WIDENED TO ACCOMMODATE TWO CARS PARKED SIDE BY SIDE.
A DRIVEWAY THAT IS WIDENED, UH, LIKE THAT SEEMS TO BE WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AGAIN, WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN NOVEMBER, 2010 AND THE DRIVEWAY CONFIGURED AS IT CURRENTLY IS.
WE WERE NOT ALERTED BY ANYBODY THAT THE DRIVEWAY WAS OUT OF CODE OR THAT ANYTHING HAD BEEN DONE WITHOUT ANY PERMITS.
UM, THE VARIANCE WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY FURTHER ALTERATION TO THE PROPERTY.
AND WE ARE HAPPY WITH THE STATE OF BOTH OURS AND OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AT NINE PRIMROSE AS LONG AS THE DRIVEWAYS REMAIN IN THEIR CURRENT CONFIGURATIONS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THE INFORMATION WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU ABOUT OUR PROPERTY WILL ALLOW YOU TO GRANT US THE VARIANCE THAT WE'RE SEEKING.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ARE YOU SEEKING A, UH, AN AREA VARIANCE ALSO? IN OTHER WORDS, DO YOU HAVE TOO MUCH COVERAGE ON YOUR PROPERTY? THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY? WHAT HAPPENED WAS THERE WAS A PIECE OF MCCADA ADDED AT THE BACK OF THE DRIVEWAY, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE WE'RE APPLYING FOR, FOR AN AREA OF VARIANCE, NOT A USE VARIANCE.
I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
IS THAT THE QUESTION YOU'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR? YES, THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? UH, I'M SORRY.
UH, THEY, THEY DO COMPLY WITH IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
THE ONLY ISSUE WITHIN THE 12, UH, 12 FOOT, UH, SIDE YARD SETBACK.
IT'S JUST, UH, YEAH, NOBODY RAISED THE ISSUE ON IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
MY QUESTION IS, UM, IN THE, AT THE, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY MEETS THE HOUSE, UM, HOW WIDE IS THE DRIVEWAY AT IN THE, IN THE WAY BACK, IF WE'RE SAYING THE STREET IS THE FRONT, AT THE WAY BACK, I SEE AT SOME POINT IT SAYS IT'S SEVEN, IT SAYS 15 FIVE, UM, AT THE FRONT, AND THEN YOU HAVE A 17 FIVE NU, A 17 A FOOT AND A HALF, AND THEN IN THE BACK IT LOOKS MUCH WIDER.
WELL, THAT, THAT AREA IN THE BACK TO THE RIGHT OF THE GARAGE IS THE AREA OF MCCADA THAT WAS ADDED.
THAT, THAT ALLOWS TWO CARS TO BE PARKED SIDE BY SIDE.
WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD HAVE PROBABLY THREE.
NO, I MEAN, IT, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET TWO CARS SIDE BY SIDE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY WHERE IT SAYS 15 FIVE UHHUH
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A ABOUT ONE CAR WIDTH AND A LITTLE BIT MORE MAYBE CAR AND A HALF.
I CAN'T GET ANOTHER CAR PAST THERE.
A CAR'S, A CAR'S ABOUT EIGHT FEET WIDE OR LESS, SIX TO EIGHT FEET WIDE.
ACTUALLY, A LANE OF TRAFFIC IS EIGHT TO 10 FEET WIDE IN A, IN A MOVING LANE OF TRAFFIC.
SO THIS IS MUCH WIDER THAN ONE CAR WIDTH FOR THE FULL LENGTH IN THE BACK.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE GARAGE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT ROOM FOR TWO CARS TO THE SIDE OF THE GARAGE.
THERE'S NOT ROOM, THERE'S, THERE IS, THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR TWO CARS.
THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR MORE THAN TWO CARS AT THE BACK.
YOU, IF YOU LOOK, YOU GOTTA GIVE YOUR NAME.
UH, JOAN COLTON, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO, YOU
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WILL SEE THAT THERE IS A RETAINING WALL AT THE EDGE OF THE GARAGE.SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S UNUSABLE SPACE THERE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S SO WIDE BACK THERE.
THERE'S LIKE A CURB THAT COMES OUT FROM, THERE'S A CURB THAT COMES OUT FROM THE GARAGE.
UM, SO IN ORDER FOR US TO PARK THE CAR, WE HAVE TO CLEAR THAT AREA.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A PATH THAT GOES TO THE BACKYARD.
SO WE NEEDED SPACE FOR THE PATH TO ACCESS THE BACKYARD.
SO THE YES, THERE IS, YEAH, THERE'S SLIGHTLY, A SLIGHTLY MORE ROOM TOO, SLIGHTLY MORE UP AT THE TOP TO THE SIDE OF THE VEHICLE AND THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF.
I MEAN, I LOOK, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND IT WAS HERE WHEN YOU BOUGHT IT.
THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT, AND, AND IT, THERE IS A COST INVOLVED, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ALLOWED TO CONSIDER.
UM, AND WHATEVER WE DO IS FOR IN PERPETUITY.
WE'RE ALSO FAMILIAR WITH THAT THERE ARE WATER RUNOFF PROBLEMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MM-HMM
AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE WALL THAT'S UP THERE.
AND BY DOING THIS, YOU'VE CREATED MORE RUNOFF BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH PAVED AREA.
THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH WATER RUNOFF TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY AT ALL.
ALL THE RUNOFF OF THAT WATER GOES DOWN THE DRIVEWAY TO THE STORM DRAIN RIGHT AT THE FOOT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, A A 10 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY IS A NORMAL WIDTH DRIVEWAY.
THIS IS, THIS IS IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK 50% HIGH, LARGER, SO IT'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHARACTER OF THE DRIVEWAYS IN PRIMROSE AVENUE, MOST OF THEM ARE WIDER THAN OUR DRIVEWAY.
AND, AND MOST OF THEM, MANY OF THEM DO NOT HAVE VARIANCES AND HAVE NOT COME THROUGH THE COMMITTEE AND HAVE NOT, AND ARE IN VIOLATION.
THOSE, THOSE DRIVEWAYS THAT YOU'RE COMPARING IT TO ARE IN VIOLATION.
SO WHY WERE WE THE ONLY THREE CITED IN THIS WHOLE DEBACLE? UM, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT'S NOT TRUE.
UM, WELL, I'M ONLY AWARE OF THREE, THREE OWNERS PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE STREET THAT WERE CITED.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD, YOU WILL FIND MORE THAN THREE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF THE ZONING BOARD, CERTAINLY EVEN WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, YOU'LL FIND IT'S MORE THAN THREE.
SO CAN, IF I CAN JUST EXPLAIN SOMETHING.
THE, THERE'S, IF, IF YOU LOOK, I'M, I'M SORRY, I GOTTA PULL OUT MY COPY OF THE APPLICATION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PROPERTY LINE IS CUTS, CUTS ACROSS AND THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY THE, THE DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY SPANS BOTH PROPERTIES VERY SLIGHTLY.
SO AT THE BACK OF THE DRIVEWAY, THERE'S ABOUT THIS MUCH THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT OUR PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT USABLE, BUT IT WAS THERE WHEN WE GOT THERE.
SO HOW DO WE COUNT IT? IT'S NOT TRULY PART OF THE PROPERTY.
I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW WIDE THAT THE, THAT AREA IS THAT YOU'RE QUESTIONING.
YOU'VE EXPLAINED THAT IT'S THE WIDTH OF TWO CARS AND A PATHWAY.
THE ENTIRE DRIVEWAY IS THE WIDTH OF TWO CARS AND THE, THE PATHWAY.
I'M SAYING I, I DISAGREE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT APPEARS TO US.
SO I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT I PARK THAT CAR AT THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE AWAY FROM THAT CURBING SO THE PASSENGER CAN OPEN THE DOOR TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE CAR.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT CURB THAT COMES OUT, THAT, THAT CUTS THAT SPACE DOWN CONSIDERABLY.
I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT WIDTH FOR YOU.
I, I DIDN'T, I'VE NEVER MEASURED IT.
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I MEAN, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO WITH, UH, I'M SORRY TO PUT YOU IN, IN THAT POSITION, BUT YOU CAN PROBABLY ON A GOOGLE MAP, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY MEASURE THAT.YOU, YOU IDENTIFY THE AREA IN THE GREEN SQUIGGLY LINES AS THE AREA THAT WAS, THAT WE BELIEVE THAT WAS ADDED.
WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE AREA THAT WAS ADDED.
AND YOU DIDN'T PUT UP THE RETAINING WALL? NO.
CAN YOU PARK IN THE GARAGE? I HAVE MY SNOWBLOWER IN THE GARAGE ALONG WITH A BUNCH OF TOOLS AND STUFF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? YES.
YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOUR NAME.
SHE'S JUST GONNA HAND OUT MY, MY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
UM, YEAH, THIS IS VERY UNFORTUNATE.
LIKE WE ALL MOVED IN, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE WE MOVED IN.
UM, BUT I, UM, I THINK IN TERMS OF THE MEASUREMENT, THE TOWN SAYS HAS TO BE AT LEAST EIGHT FEET.
DID YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THERE? OH YEAH.
I THINK YOU, THERE COMES OF MEASUREMENT IS AT LEAST EIGHT FEET AND THEN LESS THAN 30 FEET, WHICH I BELIEVE ALL OF OUR DRIVEWAY IS THAT.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE, THE RETAINING WALL.
UM, SO, UM, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY 'CAUSE NONE OF US WERE HERE, THIS WAS MANY YEARS AGO.
BUT, UM, I BELIEVE BASED ON ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT THE WALL WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF NINE PRIMROSES, WHICH IS MY PROPERTY NOW, BUT IT SHOULD BE, UH, CONSTRUCTED BY THE PREVIOUS OWNER OF SEVEN PRIMROSES.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE ONE ON THE SECOND PAGE THAT I GAVE YOU GUYS, IT'S LIKE A L SHAPE IN THE BACK.
SO IT'S CONNECTED TO, UM, SEVEN PRIMROSES, UM, ALL THE WAY IN THE PROPERTY ON HIS SIDE.
BUT THEN THE WALL IS KIND OF LIKE WE'RE SHARING IT BECAUSE IT'S BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY.
UM, BUT IT, IT, IT APPEARS NOW THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE THAT THERE WAS AN ENCROACHMENT ISSUE.
THE WALL, YOU KNOW, IS, UH, WHEN THEY EXPANDED IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S CONSTRUCTED TO TAKE IT, IT WENT OVER TO OUR PROPERTY IN THE FRONT, BUT NOT IN THE BACK OF THE L.
SO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PICTURE, I, I DREW OUT THE RED LINE.
SO THE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS A BLACK LINE ON THE SURVEY, BUT THE RED LINE IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE WALL IS.
SO, UM, THERE'S A LITTLE BEND, IF YOU SEE THE BEND, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE, CLEARLY ON THE THIRD PICTURE WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY MAP.
UM, THERE'S A, UM, SO, SO THE WALL SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED, LIKE ALL ALONG THEIR PROPERTY LINE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY NOT.
THEY DIDN'T DO IT LIKE WE WERE NOT HERE, BUT IT WAS INTO MY APARTMENT IN THE FRONT.
THIS IS THE SUBJECT OF THE VARIANCE.
UM, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OUT THERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS MY TIME THOUGH.
NONE OF THIS IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS VARIANCE.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT LAY IS DISCUSSING HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE VARIANCE THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR.
SHE'S TALKING ABOUT A PROPERTY LINE ISSUE.
IF SHE'D LIKE TO LITIGATE THAT SHE'S FREE TO CONTACT MY ATTORNEY.
BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THIS BOARD IS CONSIDERING.
LET'S HEAR WHAT ELSE SHE HAS TO SAY.
UH, I JUST, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS, I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE VARIANCE AT ALL.
WE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE BETWEEN, THERE'S NO WATER ISSUE BETWEEN US.
UM, I JUST WATER ISSUE? NO, NO WATER ISSUE.
I JUST WAS WONDERING IF I WOULD ACTUALLY URGE YOU GUYS TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE CONSIDERING THIS HAPPENED SO LONG AGO.
BUT IF, IF YOU GUYS COULD PUT INTO A CONDITION THAT SEVEN PRIMOS, WHOEVER OWNS IT IN THE FUTURE NOW WILL BE
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RESPONSIBLE TO FIX THE WALL.'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD TO FIX THE WALL IN THE, IN THE FUTURE AT ALL.
BUT IN, IN, UH, IN, IN THE PAST AT ALL.
BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF, IF THEY CAN, UH, THEY SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO, I'M SORRY, MA'AM, COULD YOU PLEASE BE QUIET BECAUSE THINGS ARE GOING ON THE MICROPHONE.
YOU'RE CONFUSING WHEN SHE'S DONE, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU F WHEN SHE FINISHES, YOU CAN GET UP.
SO, I MEAN, I TRUST THE BOARD WILL MAKE A FAIR DETERMINATION.
I JUST THINK THAT, UH, SEVEN PERM RULES, UH, OWNER NOW FUTURE SHOULD BE, UH, JUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WALL AND THE LAND UNDERNEATH THE WALL.
AND I, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO GET THE VARIANCE.
I I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING PUNISHED FOR SOMETHING PREVIOUS OWNERS DID MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.
UM, BUT IT'S JUST, WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS ENCROACHMENT ISSUE.
AND YOU KNOW, I I, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR IF THEY GET THE VARIANCE AND I'M RESPONSIBLE TO FIX THIS WALL THAT THEY CONSTRUCTED.
AND, UH, THE WALL IS GRADED FROM THE FRONT TO LOWER AND THE FRONT HIGHER AND THE BACK.
SO THERE WAS NO REASON FOR MY OWNER OF MY HOUSE TO MAKE A WALL THAT'S GRATED.
IF THEY WOULD JUST HAVE STRAWBERRY TREES TO SEPARATE THE PROPERTY OR FENCE.
IF THEY WERE, THEY WOULDN'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY TO MAKE A L SHAPE IN THE BACK AS RETAINING THE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THEIR PROPERTY.
HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY PROBLEM WITH WATER? NO.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY IN THE FUTURE TO REPAIR THE WALL.
AND YOU KNOW, IT, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE MY RESPONSIBILITY SINCE I BELIEVE IT'S CONSTRUCTED BY THE OWNER OF SEVEN PRIMROSES IN MANY YEARS AGO.
SO, SO YOU DON'T THINK THAT THE WALL IS NO HOLDING BACK ANY RETENTION OF WATER? I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK SO.
WE NEVER HAD, I MEAN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PRETTY MUCH HEAVY RAINS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
NO, WE NEVER HAD ANY WATER ISSUE, NO FLOODING ISSUE, NEVER.
UM, AND IT'S, AND IF THE, AND IF THE WALL WASN'T THERE, DO YOU THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE WELL, IF THE WALL WASN'T THERE, THE DRIVEWAY WOULD COLLAPSE.
IT'S HOLDING UP THEIR DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT WOULD CREATE A, LIKE A SAFETY ISSUE.
I MEAN, THAT WOULD NOT BE A GOOD THING FOR MY PROPERTY OR THEIR PROPERTY.
SO THE WALL HAS TO STAY TO BE A SAFE SAFETY ISSUE, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE LIABLE LATER TO PAY I UNDERSTAND AND FIX SOMETHING THAT MY OWN, I A HUNDRED PERCENT BELIEVE MY OWNER, PREVIOUS OWNER DID NOT.
BUILD THAT WALL, THAT THAT'S ALL.
AND IN TERMS OF THE WIDTH, IT'S EIGHT 30.
I THINK WE'RE ALL WITHIN THAT.
AND THEN SEVEN PERS NINE PER ROLLS AND 11 PER ROLLS.
ALRIGHT SIR, WE ARE NOT HERE WITH RESPECT TO VARIANCE, WITH REGARD TO THE WALL.
I REALIZE THAT I'M KIND OF FLABBERGASTED THAT THIS HAS EVEN COME UP TO BE BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT UP.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, WITH THIS BOARD.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS VARIANCE.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S EVEN BEING DISCUSSED.
IT, IT HAS NO BEARING OR IT SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON THE VARIANCE.
IT'S NOT THE BUSINESS OF THE SPORT AT ALL.
UM, YOU WERE SAYING THAT ONE OF THE REASONS YOU DIDN'T USE THE GARAGE FOR CAR WAS YOU USED IT TO STORE YOUR SNOWMOBILE AND SOME OTHER STUFF AND JUST A CURS UM, CURSORY LOOK AT YOUR PROPERTY, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT TWO SHEDS.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, THE OTHER MAY BE A DOGHOUSE OR A SHADOW, I DUNNO,
WE'D LIKE A DOG, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DOG.
IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A HARDSHIP FOR ME TO HAVE TO PUT THAT SNOWBLOWER ELSEWHERE PHYSICALLY.
AND, AND THAT SHED, WE PRIMARILY STORE THINGS RELATED TO OUR POOL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD SHOP, WE HAVE A POOL.
SO WE STORE A LOT OF THE STUFF WE NEED FOR THE POOL IN THAT SHED.
MADAM CHAIR, THERE IS A PHOTO, UM, THAT'S IN HERE FROM 2007 THAT MAY GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT TO THE THANK YOU DRIVEWAY.
AND WE HAVE NO INFORMATION FOR THE BOARD AS TO WHEN ANY OF THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED.
WE CAN'T DETERMINE IT THROUGH PHOTOGRAPHS OR ANY HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS OR ANY PERMITTING.
THERE WAS NO PERMITTING FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
UH, I, I HAVE NO INFORMATION AT ALL AND NOTHING WAS RAISED WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOME AND
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NOTHING'S AVAILABLE TO US TO DOCUMENT THAT.NOW, ALSO, IT JUST, JUST AS A POINT OF INFORMATION, UH, OUR NEIGHBORS WERE AWARE OF ALL THE, THESE CONDITIONS WHEN THEY PURCHASED THEIR HOME.
SO SURVEYS WERE AVAILABLE TO EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY SAW WHERE EVERYTHING WAS AND WHERE EVERYTHING SAT.
SO THIS MAY GIVE SOME BETTER INSIGHT THAT YOU CAN, IT'S MAYBE JUST FOR MAYBE ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS BACK THERE.
IF YOU SEE, THERE'S NO WAY I CAN PUT MORE THAN TWO CARS BACK THERE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT LOOKS THAT WAY.
IT, IT MAY NOT BE WIDEN UP WITH THREE CARS, BUT THERE IS CERTAINLY A LOT OF NOW PAVED AREA THAT WAS NOT PAVED.
THAT'S PART OF YOUR GREEN SQUIGGLE AREA.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S THE WIDTH OF THE DOORWAY TO GO TO THE BACKYARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE, THE WIDTH OF THE, AND, AND I'M NOT DISPUTING THE FACT THAT YOU, THERE'S NO WAY WITH THE AMOUNT OF FRONT THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU COULD BE 12 FEET ON EACH SIDE AND HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S NOT A QUESTION FOR, FOR US HERE, IT'S WHAT IS THERE IS, IF IT CAME TO US TODAY BEFORE IT WAS BUILT, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE A 15 AND A HALF FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY TO GET TO THE CAR AND THE EXTENT AND THE WIDTH IN THE BACK.
IT, IT IS UNUSUALLY LARGE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD APPROVE.
I, I, I HONEST, MY HONEST IMPRESSION OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THERE ARE MANY, MANY DRIVEWAYS AS WIDE OR WIDER THAN OUR DRIVEWAY.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE PENALIZED A FOR SOMETHING I DIDN'T DO.
AND, AND, AND B, FOR SOMETHING EVERYBODY ELSE HAS.
I, I HEAR YOU AND I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT AT THE ZONING BOARD, WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY MAY NOT HAVE CHECKED IF THEIR PROPERTY WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING LAWS WHEN THEY BOUGHT IT.
THAT'S THE BUYER'S JOB AND YOUR BROKER'S JOB.
SO, AND YOUR TITLE COMPANY AND YOUR TITLE COMPANY'S JOB.
WELL, IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, I CAN ONLY SAY THAT AT THIS STAGE OF MY LIFE, IT WILL BE A HARDSHIP FOR ME TO HAVE TO PARK THOSE CARS FRONT TO BACK, UH, INSTEAD OF SIDE BY SIDE.
AND UH, UH, I WOULD PREFER NOT TO HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO SELL MY HOME BECAUSE OF IT.
PATRICIA DONAHUE, 11 FROM ROSE AVENUE.
SO, UM, I'M LAY AGAIN,
UM, I'M SPEAKING FOR ON BEHALF OF PATTY TONIGHT 'CAUSE HE, SHE, SHE DOESN'T REALLY KNOW ALL THIS STUFF.
SO, UM, SO WE ARE NEIGHBORS SINCE 2013, UH, WHEN WE MOVED IN.
SO I WROTE A LETTER SUPPORTING HER APPLICATION, WHICH YOU CAN READ.
UM, SO OBVIOUSLY MY HOUSE, HER HOUSE AND PAUL'S HOUSE, WE WERE ALL CITED FOR THE SAME, LESS THAN 12 FEET SETBACK OF THE DRIVEWAY ISSUE.
UM, I JUST WANNA SAY HER DRIVEWAY DOES NOT AFFECT MY HOUSE NEGATIVELY AT ALL.
SHE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE IN 1999.
IT WAS LIKE THAT WHEN SHE BOUGHT IT, WHICH IS 26 YEARS AGO.
UM, THERE'S, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS ON THE APPLICATION, I DON'T KNOW, UH, ON HER APPLICATION THERE'S A LITTLE BEND, UH, IN HER DRIVEWAY TOWARDS MY SIDE, THE GRASS.
THAT'S THE POINT THAT'S CLOSEST TO MY PROPERTY LINE WITH THE ONE FEET SETBACK.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THE WIDTH OF HER DRIVEWAY IS VERY SIMILAR TO MOST HOMES ON THE BLOCK FOR TWO CARS TO PARK.
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IN 1950S, PEOPLE ONLY HAD ONE CAR.OBVIOUSLY CHANGE, THINGS CHANGED, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE STARTED TO HAVE, FAMILIES STARTED HAVE TWO CARS.
SO I THINK THE, UM, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN GREENBURG TO HAVE THE TWO CAR WITH DRIVEWAY.
UM, THERE, THERE'S NO GRADE ISSUE.
THERE'S A BIG GRASS AREA IN BETWEEN US.
SO WITH THE RECENT SNOW STORM, WE JUST PUT OUT SNOW IN BETWEEN OUR DRIVEWAY ON THE GRASS.
AND SHE ALSO HAS GRASS ON HER SIDE.
UM, I JUST HOPE THE ZONING ROAD WILL GRANT HER THE VARIANCE AND HAVE HER PIECE THAT LAST, UH, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I KNOW IT'S BEEN VERY STRESSFUL FOR HER, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF HER AGE AND EVERYTHING.
UM, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING, PATTY? UM, I MEAN, I'M SPEAKING BEFORE, DO YOU WANNA TELL US HOW WIDE, HOW WIDE IS THE DRIVEWAY? UM, I BELIEVE THE FRONT PART IS LIKE 18, APPROXIMATELY 18 FEET WHERE IT BENDS MAYBE 19 FEET, BUT IT'S ALL UNDER THE 30 FEET, LESS THAN 30 FEET DRIVEWAY.
UM, RULE OF THE BERG, I THINK.
AND DO YOU KNOW HOW WIDE THE AREA IS FROM THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE TO THE STONE CURBING? UM, ON THE LEFT, WHICH LOOKS LIKE IT WAS THE ADDITION, THE, TO THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, THE, UM, WHICH AREA? IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PHOTO? YES.
THE HOUSE ENDS HERE AND THEN THERE'S THIS PART.
FROM THE HOUSE TO THE EDGE OF THE GARAGE, I THINK ABOUT 10 FEET.
AND I'LL ASK THE QUESTION THAT CHRISTIE ASKED IS, IS THE GARAGE USED FOR PARKING? SHE USED ONE YEAH.
GARAGE FOR PARKING, BUT SHE USED IT FOR PARKING.
IT'S NOT, I SEE THAT BASED ON THE PERMITS THAT WERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR IT IS.
THE DRIVEWAY WAS STILL UNCHANGED IN 1960.
AND THEN THERE WAS A BUILDING PERMISSION PERMITTED, PERMITTED ISSUED FOR A DECK ADDITION.
AND THAT PERMIT SHOWED THAT THE DRIVEWAY EXPANSION CLOSER TO 12 FEET.
98, 2 32 37 ON HER APPLICATION.
BETWEEN 1998 TO 9 99 BEFORE SHE MOVED IN.
YEAH, IT WAS, I GUESS ALREADY EXPANDED.
AND THEN, AND THEN IT, IT SAYS AT THE BOTTOM THAT THE DRIVEWAY WAS FURTHER EXPANDED AT ONE POINT TO APPROXIMATELY ONE FOOT TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE OF THE CURB IN THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS.
I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE SQUARE IN THE BACK.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY, BUT ONE FOOT IS NOT MUCH.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN SHARE THE SCREEN SAYING MAYBE IN THE BACK THERE'S,
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YEAH, THEY ARE.UH, I, I'LL TRY TO SHARE MY SCREEN SO YOU GUYS KNOW IT.
SO WHEN DID MISS DONAHUE MOVE IN? CAN YOU, SO I THINK THIS, THIS AREA HERE IS ONE FEET TO MY, TO MY PROPERTY LINE.
THIS, THIS MIGHT, AND THEN HERE IS LIKE, IT'S, IT'S MORE SETBACK, BUT THIS POINT WITH THE BEND IS LIKE ONE FEET, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
EVEN IF IT'S ZERO SETBACK, IT DOESN'T AFFECT MY PROPERTY AT ALL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? NONE.
UM, I WAS GONNA SAY YOU COULD GET YOUR WATER.
UM, MY HOUSE IS NINE PERS UM, I THINK MY HOUSE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER TWO CASES BECAUSE I HAD A, MY PREVIOUS OWNER, WHEN HE SOLD THE HOUSE TO ME, HE HAD, UH, BUILT A, UH, SECOND CAR GARAGE.
IT WAS LEGALIZED, IT HAD A SEAL PERMIT.
UM, PLAN, A PLAN SHOWED, UH, THE DRIVEWAY ON THERE.
UM, I THINK THE ISSUE THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAD WAS IT WAS GRAVEL PAVEMENT ON THE, ON THE PLANT.
AND, UM, I NEEDED A VARIANCE FOR THAT GRAVEL AREA, WHICH IS NOW JUST REGULAR PAVERS.
SO THIS IS MY SECOND GARAGE AND THEN THIS AREA IS SAYS GRAVEL ON THE PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW, UH, WHY IT WAS APPROVED WITH THAT.
IT, IT, IT WAS PAPER WHEN I BOUGHT IT, SO I DON'T KNOW.
THE PREVIOUS OWNER CHANGED IT OR IT WAS JUST APPROVED MAYBE THE BUILDING AND MISSED THE PLAN.
BUT ANYWAY, UM, I ALSO HAVE HIRED AN ENGINEER RECENTLY THIS SUMMER.
THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHICH HAD THE, WHICH WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2012 WHEN I PURCHASED THAT HAS THE, UM, IT HAS PREVIOUS IMPERVIOUS, EVERYTHING IS COMPLIANT.
UM, AND IT, IT WENT THROUGH THE ZONING BOARD, I BELIEVE BECAUSE IT, IT GOT, I GOT THE, UM, IT'S DEPARTMENT CONSERVATION ALSO APPROVED IT.
UM, SO THAT THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE GRAVEL.
SO I HAD ANOTHER ENGINEER THIS SUMMER I HIRED TO LOOK AND HE LOOKED AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, NO ISSUE WITH THE PAVERS RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S REALLY NECESSARY FOR ME TO GET IN AND OUT OF MY SECOND RIDGE.
AND, UM, WE REALLY NEED THE TWO CARS.
UM, I, WE LIVED HERE SINCE 2012.
MY DAUGHTER WAS JUST ONE MONTH OLD.
SO, UM, THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR US IS BE ABLE TO MOVE IN AND OUT OF THE SECOND CAR GARAGE SAFELY.
UM, I HAVE A LOT OF, UM, PATIO SUPPORTING MY VARIANCE.
UM, OKAY, SO I JUST SO YOU SEE THE PICTURE, THIS IS A GARAGE.
SO I NEED THAT SPACE TO COME OUT OF THE SECOND CAR GARAGE.
UM, AND, UH, WHAT ELSE? UH, OH, AND THIS WAS A CO THAT WAS ISSUED BEFORE I PURCHASED THE HOME.
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THAT'S THE RED AREA IS A VARIANCE QUERY IN QUESTION.AND WE DIDN'T MODIFY ANYTHING.
I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.
SO, UM, YOU JUST PUT DOWN THE DO DO YOU HAVE ANY, LEMME SEE WHAT TO COVER, ANYTHING.
UM, OH, SO THE SAME THING WITH PAUL'S HOUSE.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NOT MUCH SPACE FOR THE 12 FEET STEP BACK FOR THE DRIVEWAY
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES, UM, WITH WATER.
UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST A REGULAR LOT.
IT'S A VERY NARROW IN THE FRONT, A LOT OF SPACE IN THE BACK.
UM, YEAH, SO WE HOPE, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING WILL GRANT THE, THIS VARIANCE SO WE CAN USE THE SECOND CAR GARAGE.
UM, AND UM, IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S COMPLIANT OTHER THAN THE GRAVEL.
UM, THE PAVERS RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT LIKE IMPERVIOUS EITHER.
IT'S LIKE, THERE'S, LIKE, THERE'S A LITTLE CRACKS.
WATER CAN SEEP THROUGH GRASS AREA, SO IT'S NOT LIKE JUST BLACKTOP.
ANY QUESTIONS, JUST LEAVE IT ON THE PICTURE.
AND THAT'S ALL THREE PROPERTY AND THAT'S THE GARAGE AREA AND I, THE CAR COMING IN AND OUT.
COULD YOU SHOW US THE AERIAL VIEW? YES.
SO ALL, ALL GARAGE WIDTH ABOUT THE SAME, UH, VERY SIMILAR.
AND EVEN THE WIDER IN THE BACK IS MAYBE 22 FEET MOST, I WOULD SAY.
IT'S FOR ME, WALKWAY TO THE FRONT DOOR AND STUFF.
THE, UM, THE ZERO, UM, SETBACK FROM THE SIDE IS THE ENTIRE PRETTY MUCH LENGTH OF THIS DRIVEWAY.
UH, THE ZERO SETBACK IS, IF YOU GO TO THE SURVEY, IT'S FOR THE, I BELIEVE IT'S FOR THE BACK AREA.
IT'S FOR THE BACK AREA THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE HOUSE.
SO WHERE IT, TOWARDS THE FRONT, IT DOES FAN OUT A LITTLE BIT.
THE ZERO SETBACK IS, UM, OH, I SEE.
YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A VARIANCE.
AND LIZ, THE, THE QUESTION CAME UP BEFORE YOU COME IN THAT NONE OF THESE ARE REQUIRED, ARE ASKING THE QUESTION OF, UM, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR ANY OF THESE HOMES? NO, NOT ON, NOT ON ANY OF THE PROPERTIES.
AND, AND THE AREA BETWEEN THE SECOND GARAGE AND THE PROPERTY LINE IS 15 FEET ACCORDING TO THE YEAH, THE THE WIDEST PART.
IF YOU GO TO THE SECOND GARAGE THAT'S 12 FEET.
CAN I ASK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT A QUESTION? UH,
UM, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED.
AND FOR THE OTHER TWO THAT WE HEARD, DO YOU THE OTHER TWO? UM, I CAN RUN THROUGH THOSE RECORDS QUICKLY AND I'LL GET BACK TO YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE TO COME UP HERE.
THIS GENTLEMAN WANTS, COME ON.
UM, JUST, JUST A POINT OF CLARITY.
I GOT A LITTLE MORE WITS ABOUT ME AT THE MOMENT.
IF WE CAN BRING BACK THE PICTURE, KIRA OF, UM, MY DRIVEWAY WITH THE MEASUREMENT GRAPHIC ON IT.
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BEAUTIFUL.UM, THE 17 FOOT MEASUREMENT FROM THE CURB LINE, FROM THE, THE, UM, THE GRANITE BLOCK ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE TO THE WALL IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THE SAME MEASUREMENT BEHIND THE, BEHIND THE WHITE CAR.
SO THE, REALLY THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION OF HOW WIDE IS THAT DRIVEWAY? IT'S ABOUT 17 FEET WIDE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK WHERE THE 46 FEET IS, YES.
THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S A TRIANGLE AND THEREFORE IT, IT'S DOESN'T GO, IT'S PROBABLY A LOT MORE, IT DOESN'T GO OUT TO THE RIGHT, IT GOES STRAIGHT BACK.
AND SO IT, WE MEASURED IT AND MY WIFE POINTED OUT TO ME THAT WE MEASURED THE, THE, THE WIDTH AT THE BACK WAS 17 FEET AS WELL.
AND THE NEXT CASE IS 25 36 1 LAWRENCE LEY, LLC ONE MARK.
READY WHEN YOU'RE GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, MATT BARONS FROM THE LAW FIRM'S.
AARON AND STEINMETZ HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT GROUP.
UM, HERE JOIN TONIGHT WITH MARK FROM JMC, UM, OUR ENGINEERING TEAM.
SO GOOD TO BE, GOOD TO BE HERE.
UM, UH, WE'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNERS, UM, THE ONE ARDSLEY LLC CLIENT GROUP.
ONE LAWRENCE STREET IN GREENBURG, UM, BY WAVE.
LAUREN STREET IS A VERY LARGE SITE.
UM, IT WAS THE SITE OF THE NOBEL CHEMICAL MANUFACTURING PLANT.
OBVIOUSLY A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL HEAVY MANUFACTURING USE.
UM, THAT OBVIOUSLY BROUGHT WITH IT, WITH IT SOME CONTAMINATION.
UM, THE SITE WAS SINCE CLEANED UP.
IT WAS BROUGHT SUCCESSFULLY INTO THE BCP, THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM.
UM, IT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ACQUIRED BY OUR CLIENTS, UM, WHO ARE, ARE NOW PROPOSING A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UH, LIGHT IMPACT INDUSTRIAL REDEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE.
AS MARK WILL WALK THROUGH WITH THE SITE PLAN.
AGAIN, IT'S A VERY LARGE SITE.
WE ARE NOT TOUCHING ALL OF THE SITE.
WE ARE NOT PUSHING TO THE FOUR CORNERS.
WE ARE ONLY STAYING ON THE AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED BY THE, UH, THE CHEMICAL MANUFACTURING OPERATIONS.
SO WE'RE REALLY HERE TONIGHT WITH, FROM YOUR BOARD FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT.
WITH RESPECT TO THE CONTRACTOR YARD STORAGE USE.
WE'LL ALSO BE PROPOSING MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE USE.
THAT IS A PERMITTED PRINCIPAL USE.
THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, HOWEVER, IS NOT AN ENUMERATED USE WITHIN THE GI, THE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHY, UM, AS YOUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS CONFIRMED, UH, WE, WE DO NEED A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR THAT SPECIFIC USE.
UM, AS MARK WILL WALK THROUGH, WE DESIGNED A PLAN THAT IS ZONING COMPLIANT WITH RESPECT TO DIMENSIONAL AND BULK CRITERIA.
MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR THIS SITE, UM, LANDSCAPE BUFFERING IS FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE AROUND THE PERIMETER.
UM, AND WITH SCREENING, SIGNIFICANT SCREENING ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THIS SITE, UM, INTERNAL CIRCULATION HAS ALSO BEEN VERY THOUGHTFULLY DESIGNED FROM THE ENGINEERING TEAM.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOWN CODE, THE ZONING CODE SECTION 2 84 48, WHICH REGULATES SPECIAL USE PERMIT, IT LISTS FOUR DIFFERENT
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CRITERIA FOR THE STANDARDS OF GRANTING.AS YOUR BOARD, I'M SURE IS WELL AWARE, WE REALLY ONLY IMPACT THE FIRST, WHICH IS THE MORE GENERAL STANDARD, UH, FOR SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
THE OTHER TWO HAVE TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL AND ONE HAS TO DO WITH BUSINESS.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SECTION, THE CODE, UH, IT ASKS VERY BASICALLY WHETHER THE PROPOSED USE IS OF SUCH CHARACTER, INTENSITY, SIZE, AND LOCATION.
THAT IN GENERAL IT WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE DISTRICT, IN THIS CASE THE GI DISTRICT, AND WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF ADJACENT DISTRICTS.
AS I MENTIONED AS A WALKTHROUGH, THIS IS REALLY A, A CHARACTERISTIC, UH, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE.
IT'S AN OUTDOOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, AS WELL AS OUTDOOR MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE.
UM, THERE'S NO HEAVY ONSITE CUSTOMER OR CLIENT COMPONENT.
THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO RETAIL, NO COMMERCIAL TRANSACTIONS WOULD BE ON SITE.
AND IT IS CONTEXTUAL IN THAT COMMERCIAL SLASH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR.
IT'S ADJACENT TO A VERY LARGE, SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT INCLUDE, INCLUDES AN AMUSEMENT CENTER, USE A DISTRIBUTION, FOOD AND BEVERAGE TENANT, AND A LARGE EVENT VENUE.
SO, UH, WE WILL, UH, NOW WALK THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A OTHERWISE ZONING AND COMPLIANT, UH, PROPOSAL.
IT HAS SIGNIFICANT SCREENING, SIGNIFICANT PERIMETER BUFFERING.
AND WHAT WE'RE HERE TO, WHAT WE'RE HERE IN FRONT OF YOUR BOARD FOR IS THE OUTDOOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, WHICH IS NOT AN ENUMERATED PERMITTED USE.
HOWEVER, WE WILL ARGUE THAT IS CERTAINLY WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL GENERAL INDUSTRIAL ZONE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE IN.
WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MARK TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN THERE.
MARK PETRO FROM JMC, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN NEW YORK STATE, UH, HERE TO JUST WALK YOU THROUGH, UH, THE SITE PLAN, UH, FOR WHAT THE PROPOSAL ENTAILS.
SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS JUST A TILTED AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN.
OUTLINED IN GREEN IS THE SITE PROPERTY LINE.
SO YOU'D SEE, UH, JUST TO THE PLAN WEST, UH, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT IS LAUREN STREET, UH, TO THE, TO THE PLAN SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN, UH, YOU HAVE THE COUNTY TRAILWAY, WHICH IS JUST ON THE PLAN NORTH SIDE OF THE PARKWAY OF OUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE, SOME RIVER PARKWAY OVER THERE AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
YOU CAN SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, HEAVY VEGETATION TO THE NORTH, THE EAST.
AND THEN THERE WAS DISTURBANCE THAT WAS DONE THAT, THAT MY COLLEAGUE MATT, UH, HAD MENTIONED, UH, REGARDING THE SOIL MITIGATION THAT WAS DONE ON THE, THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO JUST TO SHOW YOU MORE OF THAT, UH, HERE IS JUST AN AERIAL VIEW NORTH FACING UP.
SO LAWRENCE STREET IS DOWN ON THIS SIDE, THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE EASTERN SIDE HERE, THIS IS ROUTE NINE A AND YOU GOT 87 RIGHT OVER HERE.
UH, SO HERE YOU CAN SEE THE LIMITS OF WHAT WAS ALREADY DISTURBED AS FAR AS THE SOIL REMEDIATION THAT WAS DONE ON THE PROPERTY AND WAS MENTIONED.
THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE ALREADY DISTURBED AREA THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THIS AERIAL.
UM, THE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT YOU SEE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST, THAT'S ALL PROPOSED TO REMAIN.
UH, SO THAT WILL BE THERE, UH, EVEN WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE PRESENTING HERE TONIGHT.
SO AS I MOVE TO THE LAYUP PLAN, UH, JUST WANTED TO, UH, SHARE THIS, THIS IS JUST THE PLAN.
AND LET ME DO, SORRY, LET ME JUST, SO THIS IS THE FULL PROPERTY, BUT I'LL JUST ZOOM INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
THE PROPERTY EXTENDS FURTHER NORTH, BUT I JUST ZOOMED IN CLOSER JUST FOR CLARITY PURPOSES.
SO THE DEVELOPMENT AS YOU SEE RIGHT NOW IS CONTAINED WITHIN THAT DISTURBED, UH, PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT I SHOWED IN THE AERIAL JUST BEFORE.
UH, WHAT YOU SEE IN YELLOW HIGHLIGHT IS THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, UH, USE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS A GRAVEL AREA.
UH, TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS ONE THAT 110,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY THE YELLOW HIGHLIGHT AREA IS THE AREA OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DISCUSSION TONIGHT WITH THE SPECIAL PERMIT USE ON THE PLAN NORTH SIDE.
THIS IS THAT MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE AREA SHOWING 48 SPACES.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE 64 PARKING SPACES
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HERE ON THE PLAN SOUTH SIDE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, UH, THE EASTERN SIDE CURRENTLY THERE IS, I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE.CURRENTLY THERE'S TWO ACCESSES ON LAUREN STREET, UH, IN THE VICINITY OF THE, THE PROPOSED CONNECTIONS THAT YOU SEE HERE ON YOUR PLAN WEST.
UH, WE ARE PLANNING TO, UH, IMPROVE THESE DRIVEWAYS HERE, UH, WITH THE EASTERN ONE BEING A FULL MOVEMENT AND THE WESTERN ONE CLOSEST TO THE TRAILWAY, UH, BEING RESTRICTED TO LEFT TURNS ENTERING.
AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY OUT OF, UH, COORDINATION WITH THE TOWNS TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THAT WE ARE RESTRICTING THE LEFT TURN IN AT THAT MOVEMENT THERE.
UM, AND, AND THERE IS A LOADING PROPOSED ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
YOU SEE IT, THE FULL LENGTH OF THE STORAGE AREA, 20 FEET WIDE AND THEN ALSO ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE, WHICH IS PLANNED WEST, UH, 25 FEET.
UM, AND AS WAS MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE HEAVILY SCREENING THE AREA, UH, AROUND THIS USE.
AND THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLANS.
SO YOU CAN SEE, SO LAWRENCE STREET IS ON THE PLAN WEST AND YOU GOT THE COUNTY TRAILWAY ON THE PLAN NORTH HERE.
THE, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS, IS A HEAVY BUFFER OF EVERGREENS ALONG THE, THE TRAILWAY PROPERTY SIDE, UH, TO SCREEN THE USE AS WELL AS THE, THE, THAT MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE.
AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE ON THE, THE WEST SIDE OR THE PLAN WEST, UH, SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, ADJACENT TO LAUREN STREET IS A 25 FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPED BUFFER.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE DO HAVE, UH, LANDSCAPED ISLANDS WITHIN THE PARKING AREAS AS WELL.
SO WE ARE INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF VEGETATION, UH, ON THE PROPERTY AND IMPROVING AND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SCREENING, UH, WAY BEYOND, UH, WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, UH, WITH WHAT, UH, CURRENTLY EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, THAT'S, UH, BASICALLY IT FOR MY PRESENTATION.
UH, WE DID DO A TRAFFIC STUDY ON THIS AS WELL.
IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, UH, AS PART OF THEIR REVIEW.
AND THEY, AS THEY HAD STATED IN THEIR LAST COMMENT LETTER, THEY HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION.
UM, HERE WE, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY, UH, UH, SIMPLISTIC AS FAR AS SITE PLAN.
UH, SO THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH TO DESCRIBE, BUT WE ARE HEAVILY VEGETATING AND IT IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL LOW IMPACT USE.
UM, COULD YOU SHOW ME WHERE THE WETLANDS BUFFER ZONE IS? BECAUSE IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE SOME OF THAT PARKING ON THE EASTERN SIDE IS IN THE WETLANDS BUFFER ZONE.
IT'S RIGHT HERE, OR IT'S, OR IT'S IN THE STORAGE AREA? WELL, IT'S, WAIT, NO, SO THE BUFFER ZONE, THE WETLAND BUFFER IS SHOWN BY THIS DASH LINE THAT I, THAT'S FOLLOWING MY CUR AND IT GOES FROM THERE DOWN.
SO THAT MEANS ALL OF YOUR PARKING IS IN THE WETLANDS BUFFER ZONE? YES.
THE, THE, AS MENTIONED, THE DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE EARLY DISTURBED AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED, UH, WE WILL BE OBVIOUSLY GOING THROUGH THE REQUIRED AGENCIES AND GETTING PERMITS AS NEEDED AND SUCH, BUT WE ARE FULLY CONTAINED WITHIN THE ALREADY DISTURBED AREA ON THE PROPERTY.
BUT THE 64 SPACES ARE IN THE WETLANDS BUFFER ZONE? THAT IS CORRECT.
UM, NOW, CURRENTLY BE ON THE WESTERN SIDE, UM, THERE ARE TALL TREES BETWEEN THE SITE AND THE TRAIL.
AND HOW, WHERE IS THE TRAIL ON THIS? I THINK I SEE IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SAY THE CHAIN LINK FENCE AND EVERGREENS WILL BE, THE EVERGREENS ARE ON THE SITE SIDE.
THE, THE CHAIN LINK FENCE IS RIGHT ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE THAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT WITH A A X SLASH LINE PATTERN, UH, ON HERE.
SO, SO OUR EVERGREEN BUFFER IS ON THE SITE SIDE OF THAT FENCE.
SO BASICALLY RIGHT NOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE RIDING THEIR BIKES AND RUNNING AND JOGGING AND TAKING A WALK WITH THEIR STROLLERS AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT TREES, THEY'RE NOW GONNA HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE A FEW FEET AWAY.
I WAS AT THE SITE THE OTHER DAY.
THIS IS GONNA BE A MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE VIEW AND EXPERIENCE FOR THE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS WALKING BY.
IT'S THERE'S OVERGROWN, IT'S NOT NATURAL.
NO, BUT IT'S NOT CHAIN LINK FENCED EITHER.
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FENCE WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFERING IS STILL GONNA LOOK, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERING IS ON THE PROPERTY SIDE OF THE CHAIN LINK FENCE.IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA BE NEXT TO THE CHAIN LINK FENCE.
IT, IT'S NOT LIKE THE, YOU'LL HAVE THE TREES AND THEN THE CHAIN LINK FENCE WILL BE INSIDE THE PROPERTY ON THE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IT ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE TREES.
BUT THEY'LL STILL SEE THE, THE BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING AND THE NEW LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S GONNA BE MUCH MORE ORDERLY, MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE.
HOW, HOW IS THE CHAIN LINK FENCE FACING THE BIKING PATH MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN THE NATURAL? IT'S NOT A NA IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OVERGROWN.
IT IS, IT'S OVERGROWN AND IT'S GREEN.
BUT'S NOT, I RIDE THAT, THAT LOCATION REGULARLY.
AND I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IS YOU HAVE MANY FEET OF, OF GROWTH.
IT MAY NOT BE LANDSCAPED, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT A CHAIN LENGTH FENCE AND IT'S NOT AN INDUSTRIAL USE, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST TREES AND BUSHES.
NOW DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF WHAT'S THERE NOW? MY GUESS IS THAT THE PICTURES ARE FROM THE, SO THOSE ARE INTERNAL? WE DO, WE DO HAVE STUFF ON THE, THE TRAILWAY SIDE.
THAT'S THE OTHER CONTRACTOR YARD.
SO THERE'S ALREADY A FENCE THERE, CORRECT? YES.
THERE'S ALREADY A FENCE THERE.
YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT HERE IN THE PHOTO.
THIS IS THIS WHAT'S GONNA BE THERE OR WHAT'S THERE? WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE? THAT'S A CURRENT PICTURE.
I DON'T SEE A FENCE, BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PUT THE FENCE.
I UNDERSTAND FENCE RIGHT HERE.
WE'RE JUST SAYING, THEY'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE CHARACTER.
IF YOU'VE GOT A NATURAL TRAIL AND YOU'RE NOW GONNA PUT UP A TRAIL WITH A CHAIN LINK FENCE ADJACENT, THE CHAIN LINK FENCE EXISTS.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP ON THE HELLO, I'M GEORGE LERGIOS.
I'M, UH, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S AN EXISTING BROKEN DOWN FENCE THERE ALREADY.
IS THAT A WOOD FENCE? NO, IT'S A CHAIN LINK FENCE.
YOU CAN'T TELL FROM THE PHOTO BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF OVERGROWTH AND IVY ALL OVER THE FENCE.
SO IS YOUR PLAN TO REPLACE THAT? WE COULD REPLACE THE FENCE BECAUSE IT'S, UH, PRETTY DECREPIT, BROKEN DOWN FENCE.
WE HAVE THE PROPERTY NOW FOR HOW LONG? OVER YEAR AND A HALF.
WE'RE ABIDING BY, UH, YOUR RULES AND REGULATIONS.
WE'VE BEEN DENIED TEMPORARY ELECTRIC POWER TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY.
WE WERE TOLD PERSONALLY IN THIS BUILDING THREE OCCASIONS AND OUR CONSULTANTS THAT BEFORE WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD, AS OF RIGHT WITH 75 APPLICABLE USAGES FOR THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT THE FOLLOWING DAY.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, WE WERE TOLD BY THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GET ON THE PROPERTY.
AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN SITTING AND WORKING WITH YOUR BOARD AND CONSULTANTS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE PURCHASE THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TO USE WITH THE LEGAL USAGES FROM YOUR, UH, BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOWED, WE HAVE NOT VIOLATED, UH, YOUR REQUESTS AND WE HAVE NOT USED THE PROPERTY EVEN THOUGH WE'VE BEEN PAYING TAXES
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ON THE PROPERTY AND ABIDING BY CLEANING UP THE FRONT, PAYING THE VIOLATIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THE SIDEWALKS ARE CLEAN AND THE STORES SHOVELED WAITING, UH, TO BE ABLE TO USE THE PROPERTY FOR ONE OF OUR BUSINESSES.WAIT, BEFORE YOU GO, BEFORE YOU GO, COULD DO YOU NOW HAVE A, A SPECIFIC PLAN BUSINESS THAT YOU'RE PLANNING TO PUT THERE? WE'D LIKE TO PUT A SCAFFOLD STORAGE BUSINESS CON AND USE IT FOR A CONTRACTOR'S YARD FOR OUR OWN USE, WHICH IS MINIMALLY IMPACTING YOUR, UH, TRAFFIC BECAUSE OUR HOURS OF OPERATION ARE VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING BEFORE, UM, YOUR NORMAL TRAFFIC TAKES PLACE.
AND THEN SO THE PARK, THE, THE VARIOUS PARKING SPACES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SCAFFOLDING.
SOME OF THE PARKING WILL BE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING AND THE 48 SPACES FOR THE, WHAT WE'RE CALLING MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE IS FOR, UH, POTENTIAL TENANTS, SAY A CARGO TRUCK RIDER TRUCKS THAT WOULD BE STORED ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN INTERMITTENTLY WOULD BE TAKEN TO ANOTHER SITE TO BE SOLD, YOU KNOW, RENTED FOR A CLIENT, THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'D BE CARGO RIDER TRUCKS.
SO A PORTION OF IT WILL BE EMPLOYEE PARKING FOR THE SCAFFOLDING SLASH CALL IT CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD.
THE 48 SPACES WOULD BE CARGO RIDER TRUCKS, WHICH WOULD BE A, A PERMITTED TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE.
AND THE, THE BUILDING THAT'S IN THE PLAN, THAT'S NOT PROPOSED FOR RIGHT NOW? THAT'S NOT PROPOSED RIGHT NOW.
SO RIGHT NOW YOU, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO BUILDING STRUCTURE BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW.
OH, THERE'S, SO THEN FROM YOU, WHEN YOU ENTER THE LOCATION, IT'S GONNA HAVE SCAFFOLDS IN THE MIDDLE, IN, IN SOME SORT OF SHELVING SET UP.
DO YOU WANT TO STORAGE? WELL, UH, IT WAS JUST A GRAVEL AREA IS PROPOSED.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE BUILDING.
THE BUILDING'S NOT PROPOSED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION AT THIS TIME.
UH, SO IT'S JUST GRAVEL WITH POTENTIAL STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT AS WAS MENTIONED.
UH, THERE IS A CONCRETE SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO THAT STORAGE AREA JUST FOR WALKING ABILITY OF EMPLOYEES AND SUCH.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ABOUT IT.
UM, AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT STORAGE AREA.
SO, SO THE PARKING SPACES ARE NOT GETTING PAVED OVER AND ALL THAT? NO, THE GRAVEL AREAS FOR THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, THERE IS PAVEMENT FOR INTERNAL CIRCULATION THROUGH THE AREA AND PARKING AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN.
SO THE WHOLE PERIMETER WILL BE PAVED.
SO YES, FOR ABOUT 30, 40 FEET.
SO YOU HAVE THE TYPICAL PARKING SPACE DEPTH, AND THEN THE TRAVEL WAY VARIES.
UH, ABOUT 25 FOOT DRIVEWAY FOR THE EASTERN MOST DRIVEWAY AND 28 FEET ALONG THE, UH, PLAN ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE THERE.
I I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE THAT THIS WAS A TEMPORARY USE.
IS THERE, WHAT IN YOUR, IN THE, IN THE VARIANCES THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING IS, ARE THEY BEING REQUESTED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME OR THEY'RE BEING REQUESTED? WELL, THERE'S NO VARIANCES PROPOSED, UH, BEING REQUESTED.
IT'S JUST A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT NOTHING IS PROPOSED TO BE TEMPORARY.
THERE'S NO TEMPORARY, IT WAS JUST THE REQUEST BEFORE THIS BOARD, THE SPECIFIC ACTION WOULD BE GRANTING THE SPECIAL, SPECIAL USE PERMIT USE FOR THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE CHARGE.
NOT, NOT TEMPORARY, NOT NO TIME DURATION.
WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT WOULD'VE CAME FROM.
THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THE REQUEST IN 1975 WAS FOR A VERY SIMILAR TO THIS THAT THEY WERE GONNA TRY TO BUILD A BUILDING, BUT THEY WERE GONNA USE IT IN THE INTERIM.
AND DO WE EVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT FROM 1975? IT'S PART OF THE PACKAGE
IT WAS A TEMPORARY THING, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, YEAH, IN THE PACKAGE THERE'S A COPY OF THE 1975.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY OH, OKAY.
CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW FACILITIES ON THEIR PROPERTY, THESE FACILITIES HAVE ALL BEEN STARTED AND ARE IN THE WORKS.
OH, THAT THE ADDITION OF TEMPORARY TRAILERS ON THE PROPERTY WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL.
IT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF A SIMILAR REQUEST THAT THERE WAS A, THAT THAT WAS A USE VARIANCE FOR THE USE OF TEMPORARY TRAILERS FOR CONSTRUCTION SITE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE THEY BUILT THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE SUBSEQUENTLY TAKEN DOWN.
UM, THERE WERE BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE.
THEY WERE TAKEN DOWN AND THE SITE WAS REMEDIATED.
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OKAY.THE, THE RIDER TRUCKS THAT YOU'RE PLANNING ON PARKING, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THEM? APPROXIMATELY? 12 FEET, 10 FEET.
THAT'S THE LENGTH, RIGHT? NOT THE HEIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE BED THAT, SORRY.
I WOULD PROBABLY CONCUR WITH WHAT HE'S SAYING.
SO HE SAID 10 TO 12 FEET POTENTIALLY.
SO A TRACTOR TO TRAILER TRUCK JUST FOR REFERENCE PER AASHTO IS ABOUT 13 AND A HALF FEET TALL HEIGHT WISE.
SO, YOU KNOW, 10, 12 FEET DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE ACTUAL TRUCK ITSELF.
BUT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT IN THE RANGE.
COULD YOU ALSO CLARIFY THE LEFT TURN ISSUE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT? SO, UH, BASED ON COORDINATION AND REVIEW BY YOUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT LEFT TURNS AT THIS DRIVEWAY.
THE WESTERNMOST DRIVEWAY CLOSEST TO THE TRAIL WILL BE PROHIBITED FROM MAKING LEFT TURNS IN.
INSTEAD THEY'LL BE DIRECTED TO THE EASTERN MOST DRIVEWAY.
THE OPPOSITE, WHICH CONFUSED ME.
UH, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE TWO ACCESSES, UH, NOT ONLY FOR TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVES, BUT FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE THE TWO ENTRANCES AS WELL.
THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE, HAVE YOU IN YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, WITH THE TOWN, AND THIS COMES MORE FROM MY BACKGROUND IN TRANSPORTATION.
IT'S VERY HARD FOR TRACTOR TRAILERS, WHICH I THINK YOU'LL HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS IN HERE OR NO, THE, WHAT WE HAVE ARE A WB 50 IS THE DESIGN VEHICLE THAT WE COULD ACCOMMODATE ESSENTIALLY WITH THE HIGH FRONTS.
UM, ONE OF THE WAY CHILDREN ARE HIT THE MOST COMMON IS THAT THEY CAN'T BE SEEN BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE CAB AND, AND THE FRONTS OF THE, OF THE TRUCKS.
AND IN NEW YORK CITY, THAT'S A, A BIG PROBLEM WITH CHILDREN GETTING HIT AND PEOPLE NOT SEEING.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE ARE ANY ACCOMMODATIONS, MIRRORS, THINGS, WHAT THAT WERE DISCUSSED BECAUSE YOU'RE NEXT TO THE TRAIL.
WE'RE WE'RE GONNA REBUILD THAT AREA AND MAKE IT SAFE.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. BUT THERE'S NO TRACTOR TRAILERS FOR OKAY.
THESE ARE SHORT BED FLAT TRUCKS, SO YOU CAN LOAD THEM WITH, UH, HIGH LOWS AND, UH, THEY'RE FLATBEDS, SO THEY'RE OPEN ALL THE WAY AROUND THERE.
AND, AND THE FRONT OF THE CAB IS THAT, HI.
I MEAN, LIKE EVEN BUSES ARE HARD TO SEE KIDS REV, YOU KNOW, AND THESE, THERE ARE A LOT OF STROLLERS ON THIS TRAIL.
UM, AND LITTLE KIDS AND THAT, THAT'S MY, MY, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE IT'S YOUR, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S YOUR CONCERN AS WELL.
AT THE OTHER BOARD MEETING WE DISCUSSED THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, ENTRANCE DEVICES, UH, FOR VEHICLES WHEN THEY COME IN AND OUT FOR LIGHTS AND FOR SOUND, FOR PEDESTRIAN, UH, PROTECTION.
AND WE'RE PROBABLY ALSO GOING TO HAVE PERSONNEL HANDLING THAT IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ANY TYPE OF ISSUE.
AND JUST A MINOR, MY ADDITIONAL COMMENT ON THAT, THE, THE TRUCKS AND THE TRAILWAY, IF YOU'RE WALKING STRAIGHT ON THE TRAILWAY UNDER THE OTHER SIDE OF LAWRENCE, THE TRUCKS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THAT WAY ANYWAY 'CAUSE THE PARKWAY IS ON THAT SIDE.
SO THEY WOULD BE GOING THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT OF COURSE, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THOSE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY AND LOOK AT ANY ADDITIONAL ACCOMMODATION, ME MEASURES AND DEVICES AS THE APPLICANT SAID.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER SOURCE? BEFORE YOU ADJOURN THIS, I WOULD JUST ASK COUNSEL WHERE YOU ARE IN THE SEEKER PROCESS.
WE HAVE JUST STARTED THIS, THE ENTITLEMENTS PROCESS.
WE HAVE BEEN REFERRED FROM THE TOWN BOARD WHO HAS SITE PLAN JURISDICTION OVER THIS TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR STEEP SLOPE
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DISTURBANCE PERMIT, WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR A 500 SQUARE FEET OR GRADER.AND WE'RE HERE FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT.
SO WE ARE REALLY JUST GETTING THIS, THIS PROCESS DONE RIGHT.
WELL, EXCEPT THAT THE ZONING BOARD CAN'T RENDER A DECISION.
I, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE UNTIL THERE IS A SECRET DETERMINATION.
SO THIS IS A PRELIMINARY HEARING ON THIS.
YOU WON'T BE, YOU'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO DECIDE THIS, THIS EVENING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? GOOD EVENING, PETER ZOETIS.
HOW IS EVERYBODY? UH, BASICALLY WE'RE HERE REPRESENTING BOTH THE OWNERS ARE, AND OUR CONCERNS ARE THE SAME AS YOURS.
SAFETY OF THE SITE, UH, REHABILITATING THE CHAIN LINK FENCE.
SO IT CAN BOTH KEEP PEOPLE OUT AND THERE'S NOT A LIABILITY ISSUE ON US.
AND GETTING A LOT OF THE OVERGROWTH OUT OF THE WAY, CLEARING IT OUT SO WE CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND WITH THE SITE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE CORRECTLY, UH, FROM GRADING PERSPECTIVE AND EVERYTHING ELSE OF THAT.
SO THAT WILL JUSTIFY BOTH THE TOWNSHIP'S RUNOFF WATER, UH, SOONER OR LATER OR, UH, WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO CORRECT ANY PROBLEMS THAT IT DOES HAVE.
UH, WE'RE VERY CONCERNED WITH PUBLIC.
WE ALL ARE PARENTS OR UNCLES AND OF SMALL KIDS.
WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TERRIBLE TO HAPPEN TO ANYONE.
AND THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN IN ALL FACTORS.
WE HAVE TO, UH, RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF, UH, SPECIAL PERMIT THAT GIVES US THE, UH, THE ABILITY TO CLEAN THE SITE UP AND MANICURE IT MORE.
SO, UH, THIS IS NOT A WILDLIFE, THIS IS AN OVERGROWTH.
SO YES, WE ALL LOVE WONDERFUL GREENERY, BUT WHEN IT'S THOUGHT OUT, IT'S A LOT MORE APPEALING.
AND I THINK WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, UH, WILL DO A FANTASTICALLY BEAUTIFUL JOB.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO, TO SHOW THAT WE'RE AS CONCERNED AS EVERYONE ELSE AND WE WANNA BE GREAT CORPORATE, UH, CITIZENS TO THE TOWN.
'CAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU GUYS.
AND WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND, UH, WHAT IS NEEDED, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THIS.
AND, UH, LET'S JUST KEEP THE THOUGHT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MANICURE THE SITE, BRING IT UP TO PAR AS WE ARE GETTING INTO THIS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A TEMPORARY, UH, SCAFFOLDING COMPANY ON HERE, BUT IT CAN BE DONE A DIFFERENT WAY THAN, UH, WHAT'S IN YOUR VISION.
AND WE CAN DO IT THE CORRECT WAY WHERE PEOPLE CAN USE THE WALKWAYS SAFELY.
AND, UH, WE'LL WORK OUT, UH, THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY WHERE WE WON'T HURT ANYONE ON THE PATHWAYS AND THE PATHWAYS WON'T BE BLOCKED BY US.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
BUT TO ALLOW US TO CLEAN UP THE SITE THAT WE HAVE NOW FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A TEMPORARY ELECTRIC.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEMPORARY ELECTRIC AND IT'S, UH, LIKE A, A CIRCLE.
UH, WE COME TO THE BOARD, UH, THEY HAVE TO ASK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GIVE US TEMPORARY ELECTRIC BECAUSE, UH, THEY NEED THE BOARD TO APPROVE TEMPORARY ELECTRIC.
THAT WOULD BE FOR THE TOWN BOARD.
WE'LL SPEAK WITH THE TOWN BOARD ABOUT THOSE ITEMS AND THE, AND BE IN DISCUSSION WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ON ANY OF THOSE.
BUT, UM, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT THE FENCING, THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
WE'LL COME BACK WITH MORE CONCRETE, UM, KIND OF PEDESTRIAN ACCOMMODATIONS AS WELL.
I THINK WE DISCUSSED THE LANDSCAPING ON THE, THE WALK TRAILWAY SIDE.
UM, WE'LL LOOK AT MORE, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE COMPLYING WITH ALL THE WETLANDS PERMITS REQUIREMENTS AND GETTING THOSE, BUT WE'LL COME BACK WITH MORE FLESHED OUT ANSWERS.
UM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, IF NOT, AS YOUR COUNSEL INDICATED, UM, THIS IS REALLY THE START OF THE PROCESS FOR US.
SO WE WILL CERTAINLY BE BACK AND CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION.
UH, PLEASE DON'T FEEL THAT WHEN WE'RE UNABLE TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, WE ARE TRYING TO FURTHER FRUSTRATE THIS.
THIS IS JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.
UM, WE ASK THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING BE OPEN.
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SORRY, DID WE ALREADY OPEN, OPEN THE, THIS IS, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING.CO COUNSELORS AND I ARE GETTING TAG TEAM THIS.
UM, SO IF ANY, NO MORE QUESTIONS WERE, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT AND WE'LL SEE YOU ALL IN THE NEXT MEETING.
AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 25 37.
GOOD EVENING, ROSAMOND YOUNG ARCHITECT.
UM, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT ANDREW KLEMMER, THE OWNER AT 95 ARDSLEY ROAD.
WOULD I BE ABLE TO SHARE MY SCREEN? YES.
SO WE, WE ARE HERE, UM, TO PRESENT A, UM, A GARAGE STRUCTURE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED ON THIS VERY LARGE, UH, PROPERTY IN EDGEMONT.
IT'S, UM, ABOUT 1.7 ACRES AND IT'S ONE OF THE, THE LARGER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA.
UM, AND IN ORDER TO, UM, BUILD THIS GARAGE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO COME BEFORE YOU THE BOARD FOR TWO VARIANCES.
UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE PROPOSED GARAGE STRUCTURE.
AND THE SECOND VARIANCE IS THE, UM, WIDTH OF A CERTAIN PART OF THE DRIVEWAY THAT ACCESSES THE, THE BUILDING.
SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE YOU THROUGH, UM, THE PROPERTY AND, AND SHOW YOU, UM, THE CONTEXT OF OUR, UH, SITE DESIGN.
SO THIS IS THE, UM, EXISTING SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE HAVE IN THE CENTER OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY A A BEAUTIFUL VICTORIAN, UM, HOMESTEAD BUILT IN 1866.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE TREMENDOUS SLOPE OF THIS PROPERTY, THE HOUSE IS ESSENTIALLY BUILT UP ON THE TOP OF THE SUMMIT OF THE HILL.
SO FROM THE GRADE AT THE HOUSE DOWN TO THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE IS ABOUT 16 FEET IN ELEVATION, JUST TO GIVE YOU THE, THE LAY OF THE LAND.
AND THEN FROM THIS SIDE, IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE, TO THE, UM, THE EASTERN SIDE ODDSLY ROAD IS OVER 26 FEET BELOW THE GRADE MEASURED AT THE, UH, AT THE, UM, EXISTING HOUSE.
SO OUR STRUCTURE IS PROPOSED TO BE WAY UP THERE ON THE HILL.
UM, HERE ARE JUST A FEW PHOTOS TO, UM, CAN I CLOSE THE SANDY? HMM.
CAN I CLOSE THIS LITTLE SIDEBAR? IT DOESN'T MATTER.
HUH? THEY CAN SEE IT, BUT YOU CAN JUST SEE.
SO, UM, SO HERE'S THE, UM, HERE'S THE 1866 HOME.
UM, THIS IS THE SIDE, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THIS BOTTOM LEFT PHOTO, THE PROPOSED GARAGE STRUCTURE IS RIGHT HERE IN THIS LITTLE PATCH OF OPEN BLUE SKY.
SO IF YOU MEASURE FROM, IF YOU MEASURE FROM THE, FROM THIS GRADE HERE AT THE OLD HOUSE TO THE EVE, AND I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE SLATE ROOF, I'M TALKING TO THE EVE, IT'S 26 FEET.
WHEREAS OUR PROPOSED GARAGE BUILDING MEASURED FROM THE GRADE TO THE EVE IS ONLY 11 FEET.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE, UH, THE PROPORTION.
SO OUR OVERRIDING GOAL HERE IS TO, YOU KNOW, TO DESIGN FOR A GARAGE STRUCTURE SLASH CARRIAGE HOUSE, WHICH IS SIMPATICO WITH THE OLD BUILDING.
HERE'S THE, HERE'S HERE ARE THE ELEVATIONS.
SO RIGHT HERE WE HAVE THE PROPOSED, UM, GARAGE STRUCTURE.
SO IT'S A THREE CAR GARAGE AT THE BOTTOM.
THERE IS SOME HABITABLE SPACE UP, UP AT THE TOP
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IN THE ATTIC, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, GUEST ACCOMMODATION.AND THAT'S FOR, UH, MR. KLEMMER'S EXTENDED FAMILY.
IT'S ALSO FOR, UM, IN A FEW YEARS THERE'S A YOUNG HANDICAP, UM, FAMILY MEMBER WHO IS WE.
ANDY IS HOPING THAT HE CAN RESIDE HERE WITH AN AIDE IN THIS, UM, GUEST AREA.
SO THAT'S THE, UH, THIS CELEBRATION FACES THE HOME.
THIS IS WHAT WILL FACE ARDSLEY ROAD.
SO YOU HAVE TO BEAR IN MIND IF THIS IS MEASURED FROM THE GRADE TO THE EVE IS 11 FEET MEASURED FROM THE GRADE TO THE MIDDLE OF THE ROOF IS THE 20 FEET.
SO GREENBERG BUILDING CODE WANTS THAT 20 FEET TO ONLY BE 12.
SO WE WERE REQUESTING AN EIGHT FOOT VARIANCE IN THAT, IN THAT, UH, ROOF DESIGN.
AND THEN BEAR IN MIND THAT FROM THIS POINT DOWN TO ARDSLEY ROAD, YOU ARE DOWN 26 FEET TO THE, TO THE ROAD.
SO ANY PASSES BY, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE GARAGE ARE DEFINITELY UP IN THE, YOU KNOW, UP IN THE TREE CANOPY AS FAR AS, UH, PEDESTRIAN, UH, IS CONCERNED.
SI SIMILARLY, UM, ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE EDGEMONT ROAD, UM, COUPLE NEIGHBORS DOWN THERE ON THAT STREET, THEY SIMILARLY ARE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD 30 FEET DOWN FROM THIS, THIS STRUCTURE.
SO THOSE ARE THE ELEVATIONS TRYING TO MIMIC THE OLD HOUSE, BOTH IN MATERIALS, STYLING COLORS, ET CETERA.
CAN, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT THAT? CERTAINLY.
SO THE, THE GARAGE WILL BE DOWNHILL SLIGHTLY FROM THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND THE TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE COMPARED TO THE MAIN HOUSE, HOW MUCH SHORTER WILL IT BE? UM, WELL IF THE, UH, THE EVE IS 11 AND THAT OTHER ONE IS 26.
SO, UM, HOW MUCH LOW IS THAT? 26 MINUS 11.
HMM, NO, 15 FEET, 15 FEET LOWER FROM, FROM THE EVE OF THE HOUSE TO THE EVE OF THE GARAGE IS A 15 FOOT DROP.
SO IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT DROP.
UH, AND THEY'RE ON THE SAME PLANE.
THEY'RE ON THE SAME GRADE, BUT THE GARAGE IS CLOSER TO THE, UH, ARLEY ROAD THAN THE HOUSE.
NOT, UM, NOT REALLY BECAUSE THE, UM, LET ME GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.
THE GARAGE STRUCTURE IS 136 FEET FROM THE, UM, THE ROAD.
SO HERE IS OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, WHICH WAS REQUIRED.
WE'VE ALREADY BEEN TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR VARIOUS APPROVALS, TREE PERMITS, SLOPE CLEARANCE, ET CETERA.
AND THEY HAVE ALLOWED US TO COME TO YOU WITH, UH, WITH NO OBJECTION.
SO, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE ARDSLEY ROAD IS AT A DIAGONAL, THE FRONT YARD IS DEFINED AS THE LINE PARALLEL TO THAT CLIPPING THE, UH, MOST, THE FOREMOST CORNER OF THE HOME.
SO OUR BUILDING IS BEHI WELL BEHIND THAT FRONT YARD LINE, WHICH, WHICH TRAVELS AT A DIAGONAL.
SO THIS BUILDING FROM THE CORNER TO ARDSLEY ROAD IS 136 FEET.
AND THE HOUSE, IF I COULD READ THIS, THIS DIMENSION IS A LITTLE BIT LESS.
UM, BUT IT IS, IT IS GIVEN THERE GRAPHICALLY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE VERY HARD TO SEE THE GARAGE FROM THE STREET.
VERY, VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE ELEVATION.
UM, AND AT THE BOTTOM OF YOUR PROPERTY, THAT'S NOT A ROAD, THAT'S SOME, THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THE, THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY, UM, IS ESSENTIALLY THE REAR PROPERTY LINES OF ALL THE LOWER HOUSES ON EDGEMONT ROAD, SOME 30, 40 FEET DOWN THE HILL.
AND YOU STAND ON THAT STONE WALL THERE, RIGHT BEHIND WHERE THE GARAGE IS PROPOSED, YOU'RE ABOVE THE PEAK OF THE ROOFS OF THE HOUSES ON EDGEMONT.
SO HERE'S THE PROPOSED GARAGE.
UM, AND WE ARE, UM, AS PART OF THE TREE PERMIT APPLICATION, WE, WE ARE REMOVING SEVEN TREES, BUT WE ARE PLANTING 11 NEW ONES, WHICH HAVE BEEN, UM, APPROVED BY THE, UH, CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE DRIVEWAY HAS TO BE FIXED.
AND WE ARE, I MEAN, JUST WE'RE, THIS IS NOT REALLY PART OF THE REVIEW, BUT
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JUST TO SHOW YOU, WE'RE KIND OF MAKING THAT DRIVEWAY A MORE GRACEFUL CURVE, UH, MORE EASILY ACCESSIBLE.AND THEN JUST TO EXPLAIN, THIS IS THE, AN EXISTING PARKING AREA SERVING THE HOUSE.
AND OUR NEW DRIVEWAY BASICALLY FEEDS INTO THAT.
BUT RIGHT HERE IS OUR TURNING POINT INTO THE THREE CAR GARAGE.
SO THIS IS THE DIMENSION THAT WE ARE SEEKING A VARIANCE FOR, WHICH IS 36 FOOT NINE ACROSS THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES A 30 FEET WIDEST POINT.
NOW WE COMPLY THIS WAY UNDER 30 FEET PERPENDICULAR, UM, AS WELL AS HERE IN THE OLD, IN THE OLD, UH, COURTYARD POSITION UNDER 30 FEET.
BUT IT'S THIS WIDTH HERE, 36.9, WHICH IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE BUILDING.
NOW A STANDARD THREE CAR GARAGE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, HAS TO BE 36 FEET WIDE, UM, BY 24 FOOT DEEP.
THAT'S A STANDARD, YOU KNOW, MODERN DAY THREE CAR GARAGE.
SO OUR BUILDING, UM, IS A LITTLE BIT WIDER THAN THAT BECAUSE OF THE THICKNESS OF THE WALLS.
SO THEREFORE OUR DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO BE AS WIDE AS THE FACADE OF THAT THREE CAR GARAGE.
SO WE ARE THEREBY REQUESTING A, A, A 6.9, YOU KNOW, VARIANCE ON, ON THAT SCORE.
SO I'M JUST, WHERE, WHERE IS THE EXISTING GARAGE? THE EXISTING GARAGE, UM, IS A SMALL 18 BY 18 SHED.
IT USED TO BE HERE, AND IT'S NOT ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
IT WAS BUILT IN THIS, IN THE FIFTH NINE, FURTHER BACK TO THE LEFT.
IT'S RIGHT WHERE THE POOL, LET ME GO TO THE SURVEY.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY, YOU'LL SEE THE LITTLE, UM, GARDEN SHED HERE.
IT'S ABOUT 18 BY 18 BUILT IN THE 1950S AS A A GARAGE KIT FROM SEARS ROEBUCK.
AND ACTUALLY THIS HISTORICALLY, BECAUSE WE LOOKED INTO IT, WAS ACTUALLY REPLACED AN ORIGINAL GARDEN SHED THAT WAS HERE, I GUESS BACK IN 1860.
THAT WAS JUST A LITTLE FLAT ROOFED, UM, FLAT ROOFED SQUARE GARDEN SHED.
UM, SO ANYWAY, SO THAT WILL BE REMOVED TO MAKE WAY FOR THE SWIMMING POOL HERE.
AND THEN THIS IS THE EXISTING COURT I WAS EXPLAINING, DESCRIBING TO YOU.
AND THEN OUR NEW GARAGE ESSENTIALLY SITS OVER THIS, UM, VEGETABLE GARDEN RIGHT HERE IN TERMS OF, SO JUST, JUST, UM, WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS, 'CAUSE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHERE THE 30 WHERE, WHERE THE, UM, THE VARIANCE WAS THAT YOU NEEDED YES.
IT'S NOT A THREE CAR GARAGE, IT IS A TWO CAR GARAGE AND A WORKSHOP.
AND WERE YOU TO MAKE THE WORKSHOP SMALLER, YOU WOULD, COULD FIT WITHIN THE ZONING.
SO THIS, UM, HERE IS THE, UM, HERE IS THE PLAN.
SO EACH BAY IS 12 FEET WIDE, RIGHT? UM, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE FULL DEPTH 24, THE NEXT ONE ACCOMMODATING A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY LARGE SUV.
YOU'VE GOT AN ESCALADE AND A AND A RANGE ROVER.
JUST TO, TO SHOW YOU THE PROPORTION, THE THIRD BAY IS IN FACT A SMALLER GARAGE.
AND FOR THIS TYPE OF WORKSHOP THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, WE NEED TO HAVE A GARAGE, UH, DOOR, YOU KNOW, TO PERFORM NOT ONLY THE WORKSHOP FUNCTIONS, BRINGING IN BIG EQUIPMENT AND TAKING THEM OUT, BUT ALSO THIS BAY PROVIDES FOR A, UM, A SMALL CAR TO PARK, WHICH IS, WHICH IS VERY ESSENTIAL AT THE TIME YOU'RE UP ON THE TOP OF THIS HILL.
YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE CARS BEING ABLE TO BE HOUSED IN, IN THE WINTER WEATHER.
WELL, I, BECAUSE IT, IT, IT SEEMS, YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT, AT YOUR PLANS, YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE CARS IN THE GARAGE.
THERE ARE THREE CARS IN THE OLD PARKING LOT.
AND THEN THERE ARE AT LEAST TWO CARS PARKED IN THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY NEAR ALEY ROAD.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE, UM, AGAIN, FOR THE, UM, FOR THE BUILDING CODE, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, ADDITIONAL PARKING DOWN THERE.
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TWO CARS, WHICH IS A HARD PAVED AREA, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE TOWN.SO WE HAVE A ASPHALT PARKING AREA AT THE BOTTOM, NEAR THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE.
UM, THE DRIVEWAY ITSELF IS ASPHALT JUST BECAUSE OF THE EXTREME STEEPNESS OF IT, BUT THE, ALL THE FLAT AREA HERE IS GRAVEL, UM, WHICH DOESN'T COUNT FOR, UM, PARKING BY THE TOWN.
I'M SHOWING YOU THESE CARS, JUST TO GIVE YOU A, A SENSE OF SCALE AND HOW YOU MIGHT, A GUEST MIGHT PULL UP HERE AND THEN BE ABLE TO REVERSE BACK HERE AND THEN GO OUT FORWARD.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING ESSENTIALLY FROM FIVE PARKING SPACES TO SEVEN OR EIGHT? WELL, I PROBABLY YOU NEED, YOU NEED SEVEN.
YOU COULD DO WITHOUT COMING TO US.
IT'S THE EIGHTH SPACE THAT YOU NEED US FOR.
YOU NEED THE VARIANCE FOR, WELL, WE NEED THE VARIANCE TO MAKE THIS A LEGITIMATE THREE CAR GARAGE UNDER A ROOF PROTECTED FROM THE WEATHER, INDOOR PARKING.
SO THE, THE, THAT ALSO HELPS MAKE THE APARTMENT UPSTAIRS, CERTAINLY MUCH MORE OF A COMFORTABLE LIVING SPACE.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, A, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, UM, A PROPERTY OF THE SIZE AND A, A HOUSE, SOMETHING MAY LIVE THERE.
WHAT'S THAT? A CARETAKER WHO MAY LIVE THERE OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HOUSE THIS SIZE, YOU KNOW, REALLY DEMANDS A THREE CAR GARAGE.
UM, IF THE HOMEOWNER U USES THAT THIRD SMALLER BAY FOR A CAR OR TO DO SOME, UM, WOODWORKING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S A FUNCTION THAT ME IS THE ARCHITECT WILL DESIGN, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, FUNCTION, THAT OPTIONALITY FOR HIM.
BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET A LEGITIMATE THREE CAR GARAGE HERE.
SO THEREFORE THAT IS THE VARIANCE, THE, THE VARIANCE REQUESTED FOR THAT 36.9 VERSUS A 30 FOOT WIDTH.
AND THOSE ARE THE TWO VARIANCES WE ARE COMING TO YOU FOR.
SO, UM, WE DID NOTIFY 32 NEIGHBORS.
WE HAND DELIVERED 10 IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS A FULL PACKAGE THAT YOU HAVE IN COLOR TO SHARE WITH THEM OUR INTENTIONS.
UM, WE GOT THREE OR FOUR VERY NICE LETTERS, UH, IN SUPPORT, UM, WHICH WE SHARE, WHICH WE, UH, POSTED WITH KIRA.
UM, SO JUST BACK TO THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO THE, THIS WAS THE LITTLE ASPHALT, UM, AREA THAT WE WERE, WERE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE FOR THE TOWN.
UM, DOWN HERE, THE TOWN IS, UM, KIND OF SHAKING THEIR HEAD.
I BELIEVE THAT AREA WAS EXISTING.
UM, IT'S AN, IT IS AN EXISTING GRAVEL AREA.
THE, YEAH, FROM THE PHOTOS THAT JASON AND I WERE JUST LOOKING AT, IT'S, IT'S PAVED.
UM, YOU, YOU CAN USE GRAVEL AS PARKING AREA ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
NO, SHE'S SAYING THAT IT WAS REQUIRED THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THOSE TWO PARKING SPACES CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
NO, UM, THERE'S TWO PARKING SPACES REQUIRED FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, UM, PROPERTY.
BUT IT THERE, THERE'S NO LOCATIONAL REQUIREMENT TO BE CLOSE TO THE ROAD.
I THINK, I THINK IT WAS THE, UM, AND THIS WAS IN OUR COLLABORATION, YOU KNOW, WITH THE STAFF.
THE ISSUE AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, WAS THAT THERE HAD TO BE TWO PARKING SPOTS ON A ASPHALT SURFACE.
AND ACCORDING TO MY INSPECTION AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THIS APPEARED TO BE GRAVEL BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOUR ANTIQUE TRUCK IS.
IT'S GRAVEL ON A SLAB, SO IT'S A HARD SURFACE.
AND UNDERNEATH WE PUT, WE, WE SET GRAVEL INTO IT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE REST WOULD LOOK LIKE THE REST OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND THAT WAS DONE BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIT AN OLD TRUCK INTO THE, INTO THE GARAGE.
SO IT'S WHERE AN OLD TRUCK IS PARKED UNTIL I GET A GARAGE THAT I CAN FIT IT IN.
THERE'S A LOT LESS DRIVEWAY THAN THERE WAS WHEN I MOVED IN BECAUSE THE DRIVEWAY USED TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE, WHERE THE GARAGE IS NOW.
AND IT WAS REALLY WIDE BACK THERE.
SO WE'VE BEEN CHIPPING AWAY AT THE MCADAM AND ULTIMATELY WE'RE STILL FIGHTING ABOUT THE SURFACE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY IT WOULD ALL BE GRAVEL, UH, PERVIOUS SURFACES.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S LESS DRIVEWAY PROPOSED THAN
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WHEN WE TOOK THE HOUSE OVER IN 2004.WILL YOUR TRUCK FIT IN THE NEW GARAGE? HMM? WILL YOU, WILL YOUR TRUCK FIT IN THE, UM, CADILLAC ESCALADE BAY? IT'S NOT AN ESCALADE, IT'S A 57 CHEVY.
NO, NO, I'M, I'M JUST SAYING WILL FIT IN THE BAY, DESIGNED FOR THE ESCALADE.
IT'S DESIGNED FOR A PICKUP, NOT AN ESCALADE.
AND IT WILL FIT IN THERE AND IT WOULD BE HAPPY
FINALLY, FROM THE STREET LEVEL, YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT THE ROAD THERE THAT HE'S PARKING ON IS MADE OF AT ALL.
IN FACT, YOU CAN SEE VIRTUALLY NONE OF THIS.
IF YOU SEE THE TRUCK AS YOU GLANCE BY, YOU'RE LUCKY.
AND I'VE NEVER SEEN THE GARAGE AND I'VE BEEN GOING UP AND DOWN THIS HILL FOR 50 YEARS.
YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO SEE THE TRUCK DOWN AT THE SUNOCO STATION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, ROZ, WE DO HAVE A QUESTION FROM ED ON, ON SHEET A OH THREE, WHICH IS YOUR, UM, THE SAFE PLAN.
WHAT IS THAT? YOU HAVE, YOU'RE SHOWING THE GARAGE WITH THREE BAYS? YES.
HOW ARE YOU, WHAT IS THAT LIGHTER COLORED AREA THAT JUTS UP, UP UPWARD IN FRONT OF TWO OF THE THREE BAYS.
THAT'S, THAT'S A, A STONEWALL THAT'S BEING REMOVED.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE OLD VEGETABLE GARDEN, SIR.
THAT, THAT IS THE, A DE THE DASH LINE IS A, A, A DEMOLISHED AREA THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED.
SO THAT'S JUST SHOWING UP AS A SHADOW.
SO YOU HAVE THE, UM, ENTRY INTO THE GARAGES.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SPACE RIGHT NEXT TO IT THAT, UM, IS SEPARATING THE THIS YES, THIS IS JUST A GREEN LANDSCAPED AREA.
AND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, WE ARE PLANTING ONE OF OUR NEW ORNAMENTAL TREES, UM, WHICH WILL GIVE SHADE TO SOME OF THE GUEST PARKING AND JUST PROVIDE SOME SCALE AND SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, FRAMING, VISUAL FRAMING FOR, FOR THE NEW GARAGE.
THE, THE QUESTION REALLY IS IF THAT'S GOING TO BE LANDSCAPED WITH TREES, HOW ARE CARS SUPPOSED TO GET INTO THOSE TWO? LOWER, LOWER ON THE SCREEN? I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, BAYS.
SO AC SO YOU HAVE, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE AND THAT AREA AND WILL, IS THAT SUFFICIENT TO ALLOW A CAR OR A TRUCK OR AN ESCALADE TO, UH, TO ACCESS THOSE TWO? SO THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE VARIANCE, SIR, BECAUSE WE NEED 36.9 FROM THERE TO HERE TO ALLOW EACH OF THESE 12 FOOT BAYS CLEAR ACCESS.
SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THE BLUE TRUCK COMING UP THE HILL, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA TURN IN EITHER TO NUMBER ONE OR INTO NUMBER TWO OR INTO NUMBER THREE.
THIS OH, I, I, ALRIGHT, THE EDGE THEN.
'CAUSE I, I'M LOOKING AT THAT PLAN SHOWS THREE CARS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
THAT'S NOT, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE, THAT'S JUST CONFUSING.
YEAH, AND, AND ALSO THIS IS THE EDGE OF THE LANDSCAPE AREA IS JUST AS A COBBLES, A FOUR INCH HIGH COBBLESTONE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN IMAGINE THE CAR BUMPERS, YOU KNOW, THEY WHEEL AROUND PRETTY FREELY THERE.
IT'S THE NEXT PAGE AFTER THE ONE.
YOU WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN.
UH, YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW A ONE DOESN'T SHOW IT ON THE PLAN.
AND THE PLAN THAT I WAS LOOKING AT SHOWS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE IT SHOWS CARS RIGHT.
AND YOU NOW NEED THE 36 FEET BECAUSE YOU NEED 12 FEET OR 12 AND A HALF FEET PER, FOR EACH BAY.
WHICH IS A DIMENSION WHICH THE BOARD MAY WANT TO APPLY
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TO THE FIRST THREE CASES.AM I MISSING THEM OR, SO THEY WERE EMAILED TO SUPPLEMENTAL.
YEAH, THEY WERE EMAILED AND THEY WERE ALSO OH, OKAY.
AND DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE NAME OF THE FIRST OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY? YES.
WHO WAS IT? KELLER'S KELLER BUILT THE HOUSE IN 1866, SOLD IT JUST BEFORE THE TURN OF THE CENTURY.
SARAH COOMBS BOUGHT IT AND LIVED THERE THROUGH THE END OF WORLD WAR II.
SO THERE'S PICTURES OF THE HOUSE WHEN IT WAS HALF WIDE FROM UP UNTIL 18.
THERE'S A PICTURE OF THE NARROW HOUSE WITH A FLAG OUT FRONT WITH ONLY, I THINK 46 STARS.
AND THEN SHE DOUBLED THE WIDTH OF THE HOUSE, BUILT THE TRELLIS IN THE FRONT WITH THE WISTERIA ON IT.
SO THE WISTERIA DATES FROM LIKE 1899.
UM, AND THEN SHE SOLD IT AT THE END OF WORLD WAR II.
THEY HADN'T LIVED IN IT DURING WORLD WAR II.
SO THE STER HAD GROWN OVER THE ENTIRE FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND THE DUNKLE BOUGHT IT SOMEWHERE IN THE LATE FORTIES, EARLY FIFTIES.
I THINK THEY BUILT THE GARAGE AND I BOUGHT IT FROM TILLY DUNKLE.
AND I ACTUALLY KNEW TILLY UNCLE REALLY WELL.
SHE WAS IN AZO CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH.
I'M HOPING TO LAST AS LONG AS THE LAST THREE
I'M NOT EVEN HAVE WELL, THE KEL ARE A WELL-KNOWN NAME.
UH, IN, IN EDGEMONT, IF YOU GO, IF YOU GO TO THE OLD CEMETERY FOR, UH, FOR THE CHURCH, YOU'LL SEE THAT NAME.
THERE'S A PICTURE, A FAMOUS PICTURE.
SOMEBODY DID A HISTORIC GREENBERG BOOK.
MY NEIGHBOR, UH, HOLD ON LOUISE CLARK.
YEAH, BUT THEY, THE TWO GIRLS SITTING AT THE, AT THE DRIVEWAY IN 1898 WITH THE, WITH THE NARROW HOUSE IN THE BACKGROUND, ONE OF THEM MARRIED THIS SEALY SON.
THEY LIVED TOGETHER ON THE FARM BEFORE THE FARM WAS GIVEN OVER TO MAKE THE SCHOOL.
SO THE KELLER LIVED, THEY KELLER'S WERE PART OF THE SEALY FAMILY AT ONE TIME.
I'M PRETTY SURE THERE WAS A KELLER WHO WAS A TEACHER ALSO AT ONE TIME IN, IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
AND THERE WERE DUNKS IN THE, IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
THE NURSE WAS A DUNKLE, ONE OF THE SISTERS.
I THINK IT'S AN AMAZING PLACE.
SO I THINK THAT THE, UM, THIS LAST SHEET, A TWO PROBABLY BEST DESCRIBES THE, YOU KNOW, THE TWO VARIANCE REQUESTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, ONE BEING THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVE HERE AND THE OTHER BEING THIS 20 FOOT DIMENSION HERE TO THE MIDPOINT OF THE ROOF.
SIX, SIX AND SIX, SIX AND EIGHT.
UM, JUST IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENT, WE UM, ARE QUITE FAR ALONG WITH OUR PLANNING BOARD APPLICATIONS FOR THE STEEP SLOPES.
THEY'VE HAD THE TREE PERMITS, THEY'VE HAD THE STORM WATER, WHICH WE HAVE HERE.
SO NOT ONLY ARE THEY NOT O NOT ONLY ARE WE MITIGATING THE WATER FROM THE GARAGE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS THIS SQUARE HERE AT THE BOTTOM, BUT WE ARE MITIGATING A GOOD PART OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL BECAUSE THE WATER RUNOFF WAS A, A BIG CONCERN FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE HAVE CALTECH HERE FOR THE POOL.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE PRETTY FAR ALONG WITH SATISFYING PLANNING BOARD ON THE, UM, STORMWATER AND EROSION CONTROL ASPECT.
AND I THINK SAME FOR THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE, UM, THINGS LOOK AESTHETICALLY PLEASING HERE, BUT ALSO FUNCTION REALLY WELL.
AND FOR THE, THE CLEVERER FAMILY, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVEWAY, THE GARAGE, THE ACCOMMODATION FOR, UM, ONE OF THE CHILDREN OR OTHER OF THE CHILDREN AS THEY, AS THEY ARE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL YOUNG ADULTS AT THIS POINT.
I COULD END UP IN MY GARAGE
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THANK YOU.DO WE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE A BREAK? YES.
DO WE NEED A BREAK? I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO SIT THIS LONG.
I FORGOT WE HAVE A, UH, DISABLED.
UH, THANK, THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE YOU TONIGHT.
SO WE HAVE TO, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A HERE.
LANGUAGE RECORDING IN PROGRESS.
ALRIGHT, SHELTON, WHAT ARE OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THESE, UM, DRIVEWAYS IN THE PREVIOUS AND, AND, UH, ONE ON PRIMROSE, THERE WAS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT BUFFER ZONES AND THERE WAS SOME, AT SOME POINT WE MADE THEM CHANGE THEIR PLAN TO CREATE A BUFFER ZONE.
AND THEN, AND WE, IT WAS MOVED AROUND.
IT WASN'T RIGHT SIZE, YOU KNOW, THE SAME SIZE IN EVERY WAY.
BUT WE DID SAY THERE HAD TO BE A BUFFER.
AND UM, IT ORIGINALLY WAS, YOU KNOW, THE FULL LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY HAD NO BUFFER.
AND WE HAD SOME BUFFER PUT IN AND WE UNDERSTOOD THE NEED THAT IT CAN'T, THE WHOLE THING CAN'T BE NARROWED DOWN CONVENIENTLY.
BUT WE DID SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAD TO BE BUFFERS AND IN THAT CASE WE HAD AN ISSUE OF UM, A DROP IN ELEVATION AS WELL.
THERE WAS A PROBLEM AT THAT ONE.
THERE HAS NOT YET BEEN A PROBLEM AT THIS ONE, WHICH IS A GOOD THING.
BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST TODAY.
SO I, I RECALL THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE DIFFERENCES THAT I SAW THERE WAS YES, YOU HAD A MAJOR WATER IMPACT.
YOU HAD NEIGHBORS COMPLAINING ABOUT WATER IMPACT.
AND SO WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO CONTAIN THE WATER.
IT WAS ALSO ON A DIFFERENT PART OF THE STREET.
AND, UM, THE, THE THREE, THESE THREE HOUSES ARE RELATED 'CAUSE THEY'RE ON THE SHARP CORNER.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHY I ASKED LIZ HOW THEY WERE BUILT ORIGINALLY AND UH, WHAT ONLY ONE OF THEM WAS CONFORMING TO, TO BEGIN WITH.
AND ONE OF THEM WAS REALLY NOT CONFORMING.
IT'S JUST THAT THE CODE AND THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION DON'T MATCH.
WELL AT LEAST ONE OF THEM THERE, THERE ISN'T 12 FEET ON EITHER SIDE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY.
RIGHT? I MEAN THAT, THAT ONE YOU HAVE TO LIKE, LET GO COMPLETELY, AT LEAST AT THE CURB END.
BUT IT'S KIND OF AS YOU GET AWAY FROM THE CURB AND GET BACK INTO THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE IT CAN BE MET OR IT, IT CAN BE BUFFER ZONES CAN BE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT WE'RE NOT ASKED TO TALK ABOUT THE ENTIRE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
IF WE WERE BEING ASKED TO TALK ABOUT THE ENTIRE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY, I'D HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.
WE'RE JUST SIMPLY ALLOWING A VARIANCE FOR A PORTION OF IT TO BE LESS THAN THE NECESSARY 12 FEET.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT? IT'S MAKING IT WIDER.
WE'RE NOT TALKING LENGTH AT ALL.
NO, WE'RE JUST SIMPLY THE, THE VARIANCE IS REQUIRED.
AND, AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE 12 FOOT SETBACK AT THE NARROWEST POINT.
AT ANY POINT IT'S SUPPOSED TO 12 FEET BETWEEN THE EDGE OF YOUR DRIVEWAY AND YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
THEIR DRIVEWAYS ARE DRIVEWAY TO DRIVEWAY.
SHOULD BE 12 FEET ON EITHER SIDE, WHICH WOULD BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
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EXACTLY RIGHT.SO EVEN, AND I SEE WHAT YOU'RE THE ONE THAT GO, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE FIRST ONE? WHICH ONE ARE YOU OBJECTING TO THAT GOES WELL, ALL THE WAY BACK THERE? THERE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, ALL THREE OF THEM, UM, I THINK HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BE NARROWED TO CREATE A TWO FOOT BUFFER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BETWEEN THE, THE PROPERTY LINE, THE, THE FIRST ONE IN THE BACK.
IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, THE FULL LENGTH OF IT CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE HARD.
BUT THERE, THERE'S A WAY TO MAKE IT YES.
UM, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE PAVERS, I THINK YOU'RE IMPACTING TO REMOVE WHAT IS THERE WITH THE RETAINING WALL.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO, I KNOW I'M SAYING YOU JUST IMPACTFUL.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN TAKE UP A, A TWO FOOT STRIP OF MACADAM WAY MORE IMPACTFUL AND, AND PUT SOMETHING IN IT.
UM, THEN WHAT THE, THE PAVERS ARE IN THE BACK BY THE SECOND GARAGE.
IT EXTENDS 12 FEET FROM THE SECOND GARAGE TO THE PROPERTY LINE OVER 12 FEET, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHICH HOUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE MIDDLE ONE HAS THE MIDDLE ONE SHE NEEDS BECAUSE SHE'S GOT A GARAGE BACK THERE AND BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE PROPERTY LINE IS ANOTHER 12 FEET.
SOMETHING GOT BUMPED OUT AT SOME POINT.
I I DO THINK THAT WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION ON THIS NARROW ENOUGH THAT WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT YOU DON'T NEED BUFFERS WHEN BUFFERS CAN BE BUILT TO SAY THAT IN THIS CASE WHERE THERE IS NO NEED FOR WATER REMEDIATION, THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT IN A BUFFER TO KEEP THE WATER FROM GOING PLACES.
THIS IS THE MAIN GARAGE, SECOND GARAGE AND 12 FEET.
I'M SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ROOM FOR A BUFFER.
SO IF YOU GO TO HOUSE NUMBER 11, EXCEPT FOR WHERE IT IS EXTREMELY CLOSE, AT THE ENTRANCE THERE IS A BUFFER.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPACE BETWEEN HOUSE NUMBER SEVEN AND NUMBER NINE, THERE LOOKS TO BE IN BETWEEN THEM.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'D BE, HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME TO PRODUCE A BUFFER IF, UH, IF, IF, UH, NINE MORE EASILY.
THIS IS, YEAH, THIS IS, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS DEPTH, THIS DISTANCE IS, BUT HERE'S, THIS GARAGE IS BEING USED.
YOU COULD PUT MORE CARS HERE, BUT THIS WHOLE, IT'S, IT'S THE WHOLE DOUBLE WIDTH OF IT.
THIS IS THE SEVEN, RIGHT? NO, THIS IS, UH, 11.
SO IF, IF YOU LOOK AT HER DRIVEWAY IS THE SMALLEST BY FAR.
11 ELEVEN'S DRIVEWAY IS DOESN'T, I CAN SHOW YOU A PICTURE.
WELL I THINK IT MAY FEEL THAT WAY.
WHY THIS GOT BUMPED OUT HERE FIRST TO PUT A SECOND CAR.
WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT VIEW DOESN'T HELP YOU SEE IT.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE EARTH VIEW THAT REALLY MAKES IT VERY CLEAR AS TO HOW BIG THE DRIVER, I COULDN'T GET MY PHONE TO DO EARTH VIEW TODAY.
I JUST THINK THE UTILITY OF THE BUFFER THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS NOT GOING TO REALLY MAKE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.
THAT'S SEVEN, NINE AND 11 I THINK.
I THINK YOU SEE ALL THREE OF THEM IN THAT.
7, 9, 11 FROM WHAT BEIGE, REDDISH AND BROWN BLACK IS, THERE APPEARS TO BE ALREADY A BUFFER BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE AND NINE AND 11.
SO CERTAINLY BETWEEN 11 AND NINE, NINE THERE'S A BUFFER.
A GRASS AREA BETWEEN, THERE'S ALSO A GRASS AREA BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE.
AND THEN THE RETAINING WALL STARTS AND THEN THERE'S THE, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S A COUPLE OF FEET.
HOW, HOW BIG IS EVERY BUFFER? CERTAINLY AS BIG AS WHAT CUT? YEAH.
THIS IS A FENCE THERE AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALREADY A C AREA AND THEN IT GOES INTO A FENCED AREA BEHIND IT.
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UM, I CAN GET THE DIMENSION OF THE, THE AREA.10, I MEAN, AND JUST NOT, IT'S VERY SMALL, BUT LOOK AT NINE, IT'S LIKE EIGHT.
IT'S ABOUT 10 TO 10 INTO MORE.
WHAT IS THE BUMPER AREA BETWEEN ON 11? BETWEEN, UM, NINE, SEVEN AND NINE? IT WAS BETWEEN SEVEN.
IT'S 10 FEET AND LENGTH AND DISTANCE FROM LENGTH FROM THE, FROM THE CURB BACK.
THIS IS THE ONE, THIS IS THE BEIGE ONE.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE, WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THE, THE MIDDLE ONE.
AND YOU WANT THEM TO RIP THAT UP.
SO TO DO WHAT? PUT A TREE THERE.
I THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE I JUST DON'T SEE THE, THE ROCKS WERE, AND THEN SHE PUT DOWN YES.
THIS, THAT'S I THINK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE.
ISN'T THE FENCE HERE IS THE, THE FENCE HERE? YEAH.
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE.
WHAT I LIKE IS THE PAVERS ARE AT LEAST PERVIOUS TO SOME EXTENT.
WHICH IS WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MORE AND BEING, GIVING SOME LEEWAY WHEN THINGS ARE PERVIOUS AS OPPOSED TO IMPERVIOUS.
BUT THAT'S THE ZONING REGULATION.
IF, IF THIS WOULD TRIM AND THAT, AND THAT WOULD CREATE THE BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO AND, AND THAT'S WHERE THE RETAINING WALL IS AND THAT'S WHERE THE DROP OF LIKE A FOOT AND A HALF OR WHATEVER IS.
THE ISSUE OF PERVIOUS WOULD BE RELEVANT IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE OF COVERAGE.
WELL, NOT SO MUCH COVERAGE OF, UH, DRAINAGE.
UH, WHERE APPARENTLY THERE IS NONE IN THESE THREE.
AND THE OTHER ONE IN THE OTHER, WE KNOW THERE HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE.
AGAIN, THE LEVEL OF STORMS, THE LEVEL OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.
BUT IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE THAT AN ISSUE BY PUTTING IN A CONDITION, HAVING SOMETHING TO DO WITH DRAINAGE AND THE PROPERTY OWNER CHALLENGED IT, THERE'D BE NOTHING IN THE RECORD TO SUPPORT A CONDITION WHERE THE ISSUE DOESN'T EXIST YET.
SO I I WASN'T SAYING PUT IN AS A CONDITION THEN I'M SAYING IF, IF THE CONCEPT IS THAT WE WANT BUFFERS, THIS APPEARS TO BE ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE A BUFFER COULD FIT.
WELL, THIS IS WHERE THEY GOT THE, THE WALL.
THEY'VE GOT THE, UH, THERE'S A WALL RETAINING AND FENCE WALL, A RETAINING THING.
LIKE WHAT OTHER BUFFER? NO, IT'S A, IT'S A GROUND LEVEL.
IT'S A, IT GOES FROM A, IT GOES FROM A WALL, WHICH IS KIND OF ACTING AS A FENCE TO A FENCE.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, I DON'T WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PURPOSE WAS OF SAYING THAT THERE WERE SETBACKS IN GENERAL? MM-HMM
THE PURPOSE OF SETBACK IS TO NOT BE SO CLOSE TO YOUR NEIGHBOR, BUT THIS IS AESTHETICS, AESTHETICS, GREENERY, UM, PRIVACY.
BUT THEY HAVE THAT FOR 50 YEARS.
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I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA FIGHT IT.I THINK IT GOES AGAINST THE INTENT OF THE ZONING RULES.
BUT I UNDERSTAND IT'S ALREADY THERE.
BUT I'M TRYING TO LOOK 50 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND, UM, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT 50 YEARS.
YOU MEAN A HUNDRED YEARS
I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, WHAT, WHAT WHATEVER WE PUT IN NOW, ALL THE OWNERS WE MAY HAVE, WE MAY HAVE LITTLE AUDS IN THE BACK BY THEN.
SECONDARY, THEN THEY'LL APARTMENTS.
SO YOU CAN COME BACK THIS WAY.
WHAT ABOUT THEY MAY BE GOING THERE.
OH, YOU MEAN IN THE GARAGE HERE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I WILL GO WITH WHAT THE OTHER REST OF YOU WANT.
PLUS, IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THE FUTURE 50 YEARS IN THE FUTURE, THE SITUATION WOULD BE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT WHOEVER BUYS 50 YEARS IN THE FUTURE WILL BE BUYING WITH KNOWLEDGE.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU BOUGHT SOMETHING AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR AFTER YOU WERE ALREADY THERE.
WHY NEED THE DRIVEWAY? THE ABILITY TO BUILD TO THE PROPERTY LINE, TO COVER, TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY TO THE PROPERTY, TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
A DRIVEWAY THAT CAN HOLD EASILY.
OH, THAT'LL GET SOME OFF THE ROADS.
ISN'T THAT WHAT THEY WERE BUILT FOR? I DON'T KNOW.
I I WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO MAKE ANY DECISION HERE THAT MAKES THE NOTION OF SETBACKS USELESS.
I THINK SETBACKS SERVE A SIGNIFICANT PURPOSE ON THE OTHER HAND, BECAUSE OF THE ODD NATURE OF THESE LOTS LIKE CAKE, CAKE SLICES MM-HMM
AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THERE BEING ANY ACTUAL WATER ISSUES UP TO THIS POINT.
I'M HOPING THAT THOSE TWO FACTORS NARROW THIS DECISION ENOUGH THAT IT CANNOT BE USED IN THE FUTURE TO SAY I CAN'T HAVE A ARBITRARY SETBACK.
WELL, YEAH, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BUILT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE LAST THING.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T LIKE THAT SIDE, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
THAT'S NOT A VALID REASON FOR REACTING.
WELL, I I I COULD SEE APPROPRIATE TERMINOLOGY PULLING OUT 12 FEET WORTH OF PAVING STONES IN THE BACK OF HOUSE NUMBER NINE.
NINE NINE WOULD NOT BE THAT HARD.
I'M JUST NOT SURE IF IT'S ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING.
MY POINT, WHICH, WHICH IS CHRISTIE'S QUESTION POINT, YOU WOULD JUST ADD LESS NON-COMPLIANCE.
IS IS LESS NONCOMPLIANCE BETTER THAN THEY STILL GONNA NEED A ZERO SETBACK THOUGH, FOR THE REST OF THE DRIVEWAY.
BUT IT'S ONLY BUT YOU'RE NOT GRANTING IT FOR THE WHOLE WAY.
YOU'RE JUST GRANTING IT FOR THAT LITTLE AREA.
IT'S THE WHOLE WAY IS THE VARIANCE FOR EVERYTHING.
MAYBE IT WOULD BE A ONE INSTEAD OF A ZERO.
IF YOU SAY, IF YOU SAY SOMEBODY CAN HAVE, UM, A ZERO SETBACK, UH, ZERO SIDE YARD VARIANCE, ARE WE NOT GRANTING IT FOR THE PLAN TO WHICH WE'RE GIVING IT? IT'S NOT FOR THE FULL LENGTH.
YOU'RE ONLY GRANTING IT'S FOR NO, YOU'RE GRANTING IT FOR THE PLAN IN FRONT OF US.
THAT'S WHAT WE READ EVERY TIME AT THE BEGINNING.
BECAUSE THEN THERE'LL BE A, IF, IF ANYONE INCREASES, IT'LL BE, UH, A MODIFICATION OF THE, THE ENLARGEMENT.
SO WHATEVER STRONG OF THE PLANS, THAT'S THE VARIANT.
YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU HAVE READ THAT
BUT FOR THIS ONE, IT'S IS THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY NEEDS A VARIANCE.
BUT IT'S NOT THE FULL LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY LINE ON THAT SIDE.
I THINK WHAT SHE'S SAYING IS IT ENDS, IT'S FROM THERE DOING IT LIKE THIS AND THEN, AND GET, WOULDN'T BASICALLY PUTTING IN A, A BUFFER TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO GO TO ZERO.
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ZERO SETBACK, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE FOR THE ENTIRE WHAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT.I'M, I'M JUST SAYING WHERE YOU CAN PUT A BUFFER, LIKE WE'RE SAYING BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE THERE'S 10 FEET OF A BUFFER WHERE THEY HAVE ONE.
YEAH, BUT THEY STILL NEED THE VARIANCE OF THIS WHOLE LINE.
AND NO, NO, WE'RE CERTAINLY HERE BECAUSE YOU NEED THAT TO GET THE CARDS IN AND OUT.
WHAT I'M SAYING, AND IF SO, FROM, LIKE I'M SAYING, THEY STILL NEED THIS ENTIRE VARIANCE TO THROUGH TO GET INTO THE GARAGE.
WELL, AND ALL OF THEM, THE, THE NARROWEST DRIVEWAY IS 15 AND A HALF FEET WIDE.
EVEN ON AN AREA THAT'S NOT BEING PARKED ON, WHICH IS 50% WIDER THAN A HIGHWAY LANE OF TRAFFIC.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE MEASUREMENT FOR THIS FOR, AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT NINE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE CLOSE TO 30 FEET AT THE, AT THE, AT THE BACK.
DO WE HAVE A MEASUREMENT FOR THAT? I ASKED FOR THAT.
NO, SHE SAID SHE HAD 20, SHE THOUGHT IT WAS MORE LIKE 20 OR 24.
WELL, 'CAUSE EACH GARAGE DOOR IS 12 FEET AND YOU SEE TWO GARAGE DOORS.
THAT'S, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SPACE FOR ANOTHER GARAGE DOOR.
YOU CAN'T SPEAK WELL, NO, BECAUSE IT SIT, THEY HAVE THE BUILDING CUTS IN IT'S LIKE 15 FEET AT ONE AREA AND IT, IT'S NOT ADDITIVE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE WIDE AT THE VERY, AT THE FIRST GARAGE THAT'S IN THE HOUSE.
AND THEN THE GARAGE WHERE THE SECOND HOUSE WHERE THE SECOND GARAGE? IT'S 12 FEET.
'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE 12 AND THE 12.
WELL, YOU COULD BE 15 THREE IS BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE FENCE.
AND WELL 0.1 IS BETWEEN THE GARAGE ADDITION AND THE FENCE.
AND THEN ADD THE ORIGINAL GARAGE, WHICH NO, NO, NO.
THAT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST GOING BACK.
SO IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T OH, IT'S NOT SIDEWAYS, YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
THAT'S, THAT'S FROM THE HOUSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE, THE MAXIMUM WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
WHAT DO YOU DO NEXT DOOR THEN? WELL, THERE'S SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT'S QUITE SIMILAR.
WELL, WHERE'S THE OTHER ONE? I GOTTA FIND THE OTHER ONE.
UM, WHICH ONE IS THIS? THIS, THAT'S THIS ONE.
WHERE'S SEVEN? OH, HERE'S SEVEN.
TO PUT A BUFFER BETWEEN ASPHALT AND THE RETAINING WALL.
MY GUESSES WOULD HAVE A, A NEGATIVE STRUCTURAL IMPACT.
WELL, I MEAN IF ANYONE WANTS TO LOOK AT IT.
YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T LIKE TO DEAL WITH WHAT IS BUILT.
I'M JUST SAYING IF THE, IF THE PURPOSE OF BUFFER IS WATER AND RIGHT.
IT MIGHT UNDERMINE IT TO RIP IT OUT.
AND AS FAR AS THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THERE IS SOMETHING, AT LEAST IN THE RECORD THAT HASN'T BEEN CONTROVERTED.
IT SAYS THAT THE MAJORITY OF HOMES ON PRIMROSE HAVE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE DOUBLE WIDTH TO ALLOW SIDE BY SIDE VEHICLE PARKING.
AND NO ONE HAS COME FORWARD TO DISPUTE THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING, YOU'RE GONNA STILL UP THE WALL HERE.
I, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE MAKING ANYTHING STRONGER OR BETTER.
I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE MAKING THIS, THIS HAS AN AESTHETIC ASPECT.
YOU GO WHERE THIS WALL IS, HAVING ASPHALT GO TO THAT WALL IS A MUCH STRONGER WAY THAN IF YOU SUDDENLY HAVE, UH, DIRT IN THERE.
YOU'RE WEAKENING BOTH THE DRIVEWAY AND THE, THE, THE RETAINING WALL.
WE DON'T WANNA CREATE A WATER PROBLEM.
IF THINGS ARE WORKING OVER THERE, I, I DON'T, I MEAN, IF WE, IF THERE'S A SINGLE TREE.
WE NEED, THEY HAVE A LIVE GREEN.
BUT THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S, THIS IS, THIS IS
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IS NINE THAT HAS THE PAPER.NO, SHE SAID NOW WE IT AND PUTTING IT MORE GRASSING.
ALRIGHT, SO, SO YOU'RE A YAY OR A NA.
I AM A, I WILL GO WITH THE CROWD EVE.
IS THAT ON ALL ON ALL OF THEM FOUR.
IT, IT'S ALL, LET'S STOP TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.
NEXT TIME WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
SO WE COME DOWN TO THE LAST ONE.
UH, WHEN DID, UH, GARRETT SUGGESTED MARCH.
GARRETT SUGGESTED THAT SECRET WOULD BE COMPLETED BY FEBRUARY.
UM, AND IF IT'S NOT, IT WOULD BE ADJOURNED UNTIL NEXT MORNING.
WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE SECRET'S DONE.
AT LEAST UNTIL THERE'S A DETERMINATION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WELL, HE SAID TO ADJOURNED UNTIL FEBRUARY.
IF SOMETHING DOES NOT GET ACCOMPLISHED SECRET WISE, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO PUT IT ON AND THEN ADJOURN IT AGAIN.
WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT ON ADJOURNING IT AGAIN? WHY DON'T WE JUST WAIT TILL WE GET THE SECRET AND THEN PUT IT ON THE FOLLOWING MONTH.
WELL, EXCEPT THAT YOU NEED TO LEGALLY NOTICE IT.
A CERTAIN THERE ARE DEADLINES.
SO WE'LL DO IT FOR FEBRUARY AND IF IT HAS TO BE PUSHED, WE'LL JUST ADJOURN IT.
IS THERE LIKE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? THAT'S WHAT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? WELL, THE, IF WE'RE, WERE ADVERTISING IT.
WELL, KIRA, WHAT'S THE TIME PERIOD BEFORE WE HAVE TO DO THE PUBLIC NOTICE? IT'S 10 WEEKS.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER 10 DAYS PRIOR, WE'LL JUST ADJOURN UP WITH THAT NOTICE.
WE'LL HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THE NO, THE PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IN FEBRUARY THE SEEKER IS GONNA BE DONE AND WE NEED TO ADD TWO WEEKS TO THAT.
I THINK THEY'D RATHER SEE IT PUT ON EARLIER AND ADJOURNED THAN NOT HAVE THE OPTION BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO BE, THEY SEEM TO BE IN A HURRY.
THEY SEEM TO BE QUITE FRUSTRATED WITH THE SYSTEM.
YOU KIND OF THINK, I MUST ADMIT I EVEN LOOK AT IT AND SAY YOU'RE STORING SCAFFOLDING.
CAN YOU JUST PUT IT OVER ON THE GROUND, PUT A TARP DOWN AND PUT IT ON TOP? IS WHERE'S THE PROBLEM? BUT I GUESS IF YOU WANNA PAVE OVER, THAT'S WHAT THEY THOUGHT TOO.
'CAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THE PROBLEM IS THE PAVING AND THE PARKING SPACES, I THINK IT WAS CONTAMINATED.
THEY HAD TO DO THE WHOLE THE BROWNFIELD GOT CLEANED UP.
IT'S VERY COOL THAT IT'S A BROWN, A CLEANED BROWNFIELD SITE.
WHAT DOES BROWNFIELD MEAN? IT'S A TOXIC WASTE SITE.
AND, AND SO THEY'VE GOT, THEY GO IN UNDER THE BROWNFIELD AND THEY LITERALLY CLEAN IT UP.
YOU GET A TAX CREDIT FOR DOING IT.
AND, AND SO NOW IT'S A CLEAN SITE.
WHAT? IT'S NOT CLEAN ENOUGH THAT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SURE ENOUGH.
TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY HAS, YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU CERTAINLY CAN USE IT FOR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
YOU CAN USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, THIS ONE SAID THIS ONE AS I READ IT, YOU COULDN'T USE IT FOR RESIDENTIAL.
BROWNFIELD SITE WAS NOT U USABLE FOR, FOR THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S PART OF A WHOLE RECLAMATION PROGRAM.
AND, AND I GUESS BORAX HAD IT FOR A WHILE AND I FORGET THE FIRST COMPANY, BUT THEN IT WAS, AND JUST TALK BORAX SOUNDS LIKE A POLLUTER.
COURSE 20 WOODS A 20 MIL, 20 MULE IN OX.
AND IT WORKS VERY WELL ON WHITE SHEETS AND TOWELS.
HARRIS RECOMMENDED IS TO ADJOURN TO FEBRUARY.
NOW TO THE LAST CASE IS CLEMMER.
I THINK IT'S A HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT HOME THAT'S IN THE HANDS OF SOMEBODY WHO'S TRYING TO TAKE VERY, VERY GOOD CARE OF IT.
I THINK THAT THE VARIANCE IS INCREDIBLY MINIMAL.
IN FACT, CALLING THE, THE 36 FEET THAT THEY NEED IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE, A DRIVEWAY WIDTH WHEN YOU CANNOT SEE THAT FROM ANYWHERE.
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A REAL STRETCH IN MY MIND.SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S A YES.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE HEIGHT.
I THINK IT IS DONE BEAUTIFULLY.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THEY'RE BUILDING AN AUXILIARY APARTMENT THERE AND THAT'S ALLOWED, THERE'S NO KITCHEN.
AND THAT MAY BE HOW IT DOESN'T QUALIFY AS AN A, AN APARTMENT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THEY NEED THE EXTRA WIDTH.
BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE WAY THE WALLS ARE CONSTRUCTED AND EVERYTHING ON THE GROUND FLOOR, IT'S NOT BEING BUILT FOR A THIRD CAR.
UM, THEY NEED THAT EXTRA WIDTH FOR THE APARTMENT UPSTAIRS.
I MEAN, I'M NOT ANTI A DU SO I, HE DIDN'T HAVE ME UNTIL HE TOLD ME THAT THEY'D ALREADY RE GOTTEN RID OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF THE DRIVEWAY.
THE DRIVEWAY WAS ONLY 12 FEET.
I THINK IT'S OFFSET THE DRIVEWAYS 12 FEET WIDE.
THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THEIR DRIVEWAY IS.
I WANNA KNOW HOW THEY'RE TAKING THAT OVER.
I WANT TO SEE HOW THEY'RE GONNA LAY IT.
LIKE THE ONLY WITH ONE DIFFERENCE.
THE REASONING BEHIND CHUNG WAS THAT IT COULDN'T BE SEEN BECAUSE THE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE LOWER THAN THE STREET IN THIS APPLICATION.
AND THE QUESTION IS, IN WINTER WHEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THIS.
NO, I'M JUST, I JUST WANT, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST VISIBLE HOUSES IN ALL OF EDGEMONT.
IT'S THE TOP OF ARDSLEY HILL, BUT IT'S SO MUCH HIGHER THAN THE ROAD THAT YOU JUST CAN'T SEE THIS.
THAT WAS BOTH SPEAKING OF OLD, UM, CASES.
I DROVE PAST MR. HOTDOG, MR. HOT.
I DRIVE ALL THE TIME PAST MR. HOT DOG JACKSON AVENUE.
AND NOTHING'S BEEN TAKEN AWAY.
AND WE DIDN'T APPROVE THAT, DID WE? NO, WE DID NOT.
AND BUT THEY HAVEN'T TAKEN IT AWAY.
THEY, THEY'VE MET WITH THE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO WORK OUT GETTING THE PROPER REMOVALS AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THE PLANTS.
HOW MANY MONTHS DOES IT TAKE? THEY, THEY, THEY, THAT FENCE IS MADE OUT OF PALLETS.
SO I'M SURE IT WENT UP IN ABOUT TWO HOURS.
COULD PROBABLY COME DOWN PRETTY QUICKLY AS WELL.
THEY DIDN'T WANT, THEY LIKE, AND WE DENIED AS A NEIGHBOR, WHAT DID WE DENY? VIOLATIONS.
THAT THEY EXPANDED OR SOMETHING.
THEY DIDN'T COME FOR VARIANCES YET.
OH, 'CAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL PAVED AREA.
YEAH, THERE WAS A LOT OF, THERE WERE SOME, I THINK JERSEY BARRIERS OR SOMETHING PUT IN.
THEY'RE GOING TO TERMINATE THEIR BUSINESS.
THEY'RE GONNA KEEP THE TRUCK, REMOVE THE EXTRA MAC CABIN.
IS LIKE MOST I HEARD THAT WORD.
BUT IN A DAY, WHAT I THINK MCCM MCCM.
EVERYBODY HAS USED THAT WORD TODAY.
I THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT ASPHALT WAS CALLED BEFORE.
EVEN THOUGH IT HAD A DIFFERENT PROCESS, PUTTING IT DOWN.
SO PETER, CAN YOU WRITE UP THIS HOUSE THAT YOU LOVE SO MUCH? OKAY, SURE.
SO, SO PETER WILL DO, HE'S GONNA WRITE IT UP.
WHAT HE'S GONNA DO THE PRETTY HOUSE.
BUT THEN THEY'RE THE THREE ON PRIMROSE AND THE THREE ON PRIMROSE.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE ONE MODEL
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FOR ALL OF THEM.WELL THE TEST WOULD BE THE SAME CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHICH IS COMMON TO ALL OF THEM.
THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE THE SAME.
AND EITHER OF THE APPLICANTS PRODUCED.
WHAT IS THERE NOW YOU GOT IT APPROVED.
WHAT I SAID THAT ALL THE OF THE APPLICANTS OF THESE PROPERTIES WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR.
SO THIS IS MS. KEELER WHO WAS A TEACHER IN AN EARLY EDGEMONT SCHOOL.
IS THAT WHY YOU RECOGNIZE THE NAME
OH, YOU CARRY THAT WITH THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE MY CONFUSION BEGAN WHEN YOU GO UP, I WANNA HAVE A VIEW OF THE GARAGE WHEN WE GO UP AND SEE IT.
I CAN SEE THE DRUGS I WAS ON MORE OFF LAST WEEK.
I'M, I'M REALLY ACTIVE IN THE EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
BUT YOU PUT SOME OF THOSE BOARDS OUT THERE.
DID YOU SEE? YEAH, I JUST WENT AND TOOK PICTURES OF ALL THOSE THINGS.
OH, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT, NOT EDGEMONT, BUT IT'S ALL INTERESTING.
ARE WE GOING BACK UP THERE OR? YEAH, WE HAVE.
ARE WE READY TO GO? OH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ON.
UH, WE HAVE DETERMINED IN OUR VARIATIONS, UH, THAT UH, THERE ARE SOME CASES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THIS EVENING AND STARTING WITH CASE 25 OR 24, PAUL AND JOAN COLTON.
UM, WHEREAS THE GREENBERG'S DBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SEEK A COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SEEK A CONSIDERATION.
AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES, MADAM CHAIR.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 25 24 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE.
SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THE VARIANCE IS BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CON CONSTRUCTION, WHICH THERE ISN'T ANY THAT IS NOT CON CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING SH ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HERE.
UH, DUE TO THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR, THE UH FINDINGS WILL BE ENTERED INTO THE RECORD, UM, AT A LATER DATE.
AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 25 27.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 25 27 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICATION APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILES, SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THAT THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
AND AGAIN, THE FINDINGS WILL BE ENTERED AT A LATER DATE.
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AYE.AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 25 29.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO CA COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER CA CONSIDERATION.
AND DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, YES.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 25 29 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT'S OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE, SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.
AND DO I HAVE A SECOND? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.
SCARSDALE WHEREAS THE GREENBERG CBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.
A AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES.
CHAIR I, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE 25 37 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAINED ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILED THE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE GIVEN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLAN STAMP RECEIVED NOVEMBER 17TH, 2025, SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION OR SUCH PLANS THAT MAY HEREAFTER BE MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.
THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES.
EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK AND OTHER VARIANCES WE'VE APPROVED HEREIN DUE TO THE LIGHTNESS OF THE HOUR, THE FINDINGS WILL BE ENTERED AT A LATER DATE.
I ALSO, THE OTHER, THE ONLY OTHER CASE WE HAD THIS EVENING WAS CASE 25 37.
ONE LAWRENCE LEY, LLC THAT WAS 36.
AND THAT IS ADJOURNED TO FEBRUARY IN 19TH OF 2026.
AND WITH THAT, THE NEXT DAY OF OUR MEETING IS JANUARY NINE, UH, JANUARY 15TH.
AND I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GOOD AND SAFE HOLIDAY AND WE COME BACK WITH SPIRIT OF A NEW YEAR.