* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR? [00:00:01] AYE. AYE. UM, GA, [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 https://greenburghny.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings ] SR LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMITTEE PRESENTATION. YEP. UM, CHAIR, HOWARD TRI, PLEASE COME SIT DOWN AND, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF. SIT. YEAH. WELCOME TO THE BIG TABLE. IF YOU COULD USE THE MIC PLEASE AND JUST MAKE SURE IT'S ON. LET PRESS IT ONCE, WE'LL TURN GREEN. THERE WE GO. TESTING. YES. WORKING. MARIA, JUST A LITTLE CLOSER. BLESS YOU. BLESS YOU. THANK YOU. MY BOARD PROJECT, SO I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD NEED IT. WE'LL SAY GOOD EVENING, MR. FINER AND THE BOARD. UH, MY NAME IS HOWARD TRILL AND I AM CHAIR OF THE GREENBERG AGAINST SYSTEMIC RACISM LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMITTEE. TODAY WE PRESENT THE OUTLINE FOR THE FINAL WORK PRODUCT OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATION, GREENBERG COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT ACCOUNTABILITY COMMITTEE. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE MEMBERS OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBCOMMITTEE WHO HAS WORKED TIRELESSLY FOR OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. THEY ARE DR. CAROL ALLEN, BRIDGET BROWN, LES JOHNSON, KEN JONES, ESQUIRE. FORMER GREENBERG TOWN, COUNCILMAN DELIA MAXIS, PHD. BISHOP WILBERT PRESTON, LEON SMITH, CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT, COLBY POWELL, AND RETIRED DETECTIVE AND FORMER, UM, POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT ED DEVITO. SOME OF THE MEMBERS ARE HERE WITH ME TODAY, AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR BEING HERE IN 2020. THE TOWN OF GREENBERG CREATED THE GREENBERG AGAINST SYSTEMIC RACISM TASK FORCE IN RESPONSE TO NEW YORK STATE EXECUTIVE ORDER 2 0 3, WHICH REQUIRED LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO ADOPT A POLICING REFORM PLAN. IN APRIL, 2021, THE GREENBERG AGAINST SYSTEMIC RACISM, LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBCOMMITTEE SUBMITTED THE REPORT TO THE TOWN BOARD. THE REPORT CONTAINED RECOMMENDATIONS TO HOW THE TOWN COULD IMPROVE RELATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND INCREASE OVERSIGHT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT IT WAS OPERATING THROUGH THE LENS OF RA WAS NOT OPERATING THROUGH THE LENS OF RACISM. THESE RECOMMENDATION WAS CATEGORIZED IN THE AREA OF RECRUITMENT, HIRING, TRAINING, ACCOUNTABILITY, OVERSIGHT, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN THE AREA OF TRAINING AND RECRUITMENT RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE FOR CULTURAL COMPETENCY, COMPETENCY, COMPETENCY. ALL RIGHT. UH, IMPLEMENTING MANDATORY INTERCULTURAL, UH, COMPET COMPETENCY, I'M SORRY, AND ANTI-RACISM TRAINING FOR ALL OFFICERS AND ALL NINE 11 DISPATCHERS. RECOMMENDATION WAS ALSO MADE FOR LOBBYING OF THE SHIFT AND POLICE ACADEMY, A CURRICULUM TO EMPHASIZE THE GUARDIAN RATHER THAN WARRIOR MINDSET. FOCUS IT ON COURTESY AND RESPECT. THERE WAS RECOMMENDATION MADE TO IMPROVE THE FEEDER PROGRAM AT THE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGES TO RECRUIT DIVERSE LOCAL CANDIDATES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE AREA OF ENGAGEMENT, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND INTERACTION, THERE WAS A USE OF BUSINESS CARDS FOR QR CODES THAT LINKED DIRECTLY TO FEEDBACK WEB, UH, PAGE, ALLOWING RESIDENTS TO RATE THEIR INTERACTION WITH OFFICERS OUT ON THE STREETS. THEY EXPAND FOR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS LIKE THE POLICE, ATHLETIC LEAGUE, AND SUMMER YOUTH CAMP. THERE WAS ALSO RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE SMART HOLSTERS INVESTIGATE THE USE OF SMART HOLSTERS THAT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS THE BODY CAMERAS THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS WEAR [00:05:01] WHEN AN OFFICER'S WEAPON IS UNHOLSTERED AND REQUIRES A FORMAL REPORT AND JUSTIFICATION FOR EVERY INSTANCE. ONE OF THE MAJOR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE REPORT WAS TO CREATE A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. SINCE SUBMITTING THE REPORT, THE SUBCOMMITTEE HAS CONTINUE TO MEET IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A BLUEPRINT FOR THE CREATION OF THE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. TODAY, WE PRESENT THE FINAL WORK PRODUCT OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDATION, GREENBURG COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THIS BLUEPRINT WAS CARE CAREFULLY PREPARED AND IS BASED ON INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION, UH, CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY. THE POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION ALSO PARTICIPATED IN THE CREATION OF THE BLUEPRINT. WE BELIEVE THAT A COOPERATIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POLICE REPRESENTATION IS CRUCIAL IN SUCCESS OF ANY OVERSIGHT BODY. THE TOWN ATTORNEY WAS ALSO CONSULTED, UH, IN ORDER TO BE CERTAIN THAT THE BLUEPRINT WAS CONSISTENT WITH EXISTING LAWS. THE COMMITTEE DOES NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCIPLINARY PROCESS. IT ALSO MUST CONDUCT ITSELF, SO NOT TO INTERFERE WITH ANY ACTIVE INVESTIGATION OR LEGAL MATTERS. ELIGIBILITY FOR THE APPOINTMENT TO THE COMMITTEE IS RESTRICTED TO RESIDENTS IN THE UNINCORPORATED TOWN OF GREENBERG. TRAINING FOR THE COMMITTEE REQUIRES COMMITTEE MEMBERS A MUST RECEIVE ONGOING TRAINING IN ORDER TO REMAIN CURRENT ON CHANGES IN POLICIES, PROCEDURES, LAWS, AND CONTRACTS. THE COMMITTEE SIZE DUE TO THE TOWN'S LOW NUMBER OF SUBSTANTIATED COMPLAINTS, THERE ARE CERTAINLY, UH, THERE, THERE ARE CERTAINLY EXPERIENCING BY GREENBERG POLICE DEPARTMENT, A LARGE NUMBER OF OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MEMBERS IS NOT FELT TO BE NEEDED. IT IS ALSO RECOMMENDED THAT MEMBERS OF THE GASHA LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBCOMMITTEE REMAIN ELIGIBLE FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE REGARDLESS OF THEIR RESIDENT STATUS. THE CURRENT COMMITTEE WILL CONTINUE TO MEET IN ORDER TO MONITOR IMPLEMENTATIONS OF CONFIDENCE AND THE RECOMMENDATION CONTAINED IN THE ORIGINAL REPORT. WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK, UM, COUNCILWOMAN GINA JACKSON AND COUNCILMAN FRANCIS SHEEN FOR THEIR GUIDANCE, UH, IN LEADERSHIP DURING THESE FIVE YEARS FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENDANCE. AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. UH, I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION. YES, SIR. UH, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU MADE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO ABOUT THE QR CODES ON THE BUSINESS CARDS WAS THAT IMPLEMENTED, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING IDEA THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED AND IT IS BEING USED BY THE DEPARTMENT YES. LONG TIME AGO. YES. THAT IS GREAT. I THINK IT JUST, IT SOUNDS GREAT. I MEAN, I WAS INVOLVED IN ANOTHER, FOR THE COUNTY VERSION AS WAS, UM, MR. KEN JONES. HE WAS A MEMBER OF ONE OF THE COMMITTEES. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT YOU'RE, YOU, YOUR INTERPRETATION, YOUR DECISIONS, YOUR, YOUR, UM, LAYOUT OF, OF RESPONSIBILITIES AND THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE ARE JUST GREAT. THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK, ALL OF YOU. WELL, THANK YOU. YEAH. IT'S, IT WASN'T ME. IT WAS, UH, A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE BEHIND, UM, THAT PUT, UM, UH, THEIR VOLUNTEER IN THEIR TIMES AND TALENT, UH, INTO MAKING THIS WORK. YEAH. WELL, YOU, YOU HAVE QUITE A DIVERSE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE GROUP. AND, AND I ALSO THANK COUNCILWOMAN GINA JACKSON FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND FRANCIS SHEEN. COUNCILMAN, COUNCILMAN. HOLD ON. HOLD ON A SECOND, PAUL. UM, SAM, CAN YOU DO ME A FAVOR? CAN YOU JUST PAN THE AUDIENCE SO WE CAN, EVERYONE CAN JUST SEE EVERYONE WHO'S WORKED ON THIS PRODUCT FOR FIVE YEARS, WHO'S BEEN VERY INVOLVED AND INTENTIONAL FOR FIVE YEARS. PLEASE, Y'ALL HAVE TO STAND UP. HE CAN JUST PAN. OH, ALL Y'ALL WANNA STAND UP? IF WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE, HAVE HIM STAND UP. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. OH, OH, BECAUSE, OH, WE, WE GREW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THERE WE GO. SO ALL THE MEMBERS [00:10:01] STAND UP AND WAVE. YES. KEN. SOME, HE'S GONNA GET OVER THAT SHYNESS. THIS IS JUST THE MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE. IT DOESN'T REPRESENT ALL THE MEMBERS. NO, NO. THESE MEMBERS. RIGHT. WERE, UM, GOD, I LOST THE WORD OF CONSISTENTLY PRESENT. CONSISTENT. THAT'S NOT THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR. THAT'S RIGHT. PASSIONATE, UM, CONSISTENT. THAT'S STILL NOT THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR, BUT STAYED WITH ME AND STAYED WITH THIS, UM, TASK FORCE FOR FIVE YEARS. AND THANK YOU TO YOUR LEADERSHIP, UM, HOWARD TRILL AND WHAT, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE THAT YOU BROUGHT TO US, AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND AGAIN, I SAY IT ALL THE TIME. THANK YOU. COULD YOU HIGHLIGHT WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, UH, DRAFT WAS IMPLEMENTED AND WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS SO FAR HAVEN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED? I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY THE ONES THAT I WENT THROUGH. THE ONES THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED WAS, UH, LEMME GO BACK HERE. WELL, THE IMPROVEMENT, UH, FOR THE EDUCATIONAL PARTNERSHIP, UM, NATURALLY WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND FOR YEARS THERE HAS BEEN AN EDUCATIONAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THE, UH, FEEDER PROGRAM THROUGH THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE COLLEGES. THOSE HAVE JUST BEEN IMPROVED. UM, AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, UH, THE USE OF THE BUSINESS, UH, THE CUE CARDS, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED. UM, ALSO JUST ANOTHER FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR THE CUE CARDS. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU KNOW ARE ASKED WHEN PEOPLE DO THE Q THE CUE CARDS? I HAVEN'T MET WITH, UH, CHIEF POWER. NO, NO. SO THE QR, SO THE QR CODE, QR CODE IS THERE, GIVES DIRECTLY TO THE DIRECTORY. SO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO THE POLICE OFFICER. RIGHT. BUT I'M TELLING YOU, IS IT, IS IT, IS IT SORT OF LIKE A QUESTIONNAIRE ALSO? NO, BECAUSE I'M JUST SORT OF WONDERING ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, THAT I HAD IS, LET'S SAY I HAVE AN INTERACTION WITH THE POLICE, RIGHT? AND LET'S SAY, UH, THEY WERE RUDE, YOU KNOW, OR, OR I FELT THAT I WAS BEING, UM, RACIALLY PROFILED OR WHATEVER. IF THERE WOULD BE LIKE A QUESTIONNAIRE ON THE QR, YOU KNOW, A QUESTIONNAIRE AND THEY COULD SCAN IT AND THEN PEOPLE COULD GIVE SORT OF THEIR FEEDBACK. UH, THEN BASICALLY, UH, GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF THE IMPRESSIONS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE DEALING WITH, UM, THE POLICE ARE HAVING. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK COULD BE DONE IN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS OF THE TOWN, BECAUSE THE THING IS, IF I'M, YOU KNOW, EVERY EMPLOYEE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM HAVE BUSINESS CARDS. AND IF WE GIVE OUT OUR BUSINESS CARD TO SOMEBODY WHO WE MET FOR THE FIRST TIME, OR IS INTERACTING WITH THE TOWN AND SOMEBODY HAS A BAD EXPERIENCE AND THEY COULD JUST FILL OUT A QUESTIONNAIRE, IT GOES TO SOMEBODY, IT WILL GIVE US SORT OF AN I, IT WILL GIVE THE TOWN BOARD AND, UH, ALL OF US A BETTER IDEA, UH, WHAT PEOPLE REALLY ARE EXPERIENCING WITH EMPLOYEES. THAT, THAT'S JUST MY, AND WE MIGHT GET SOME GOOD, GOOD FEED. GOOD SUGGESTIONS. IT'S JUST AN IDEA. BUT THE BUSINESS CARDS HAVE THAT QR CODE WHERE IT HAS THE OFFICER'S NAME ON THERE. RIGHT? SO WHEN THE PERSON, THEY CAN ACTUALLY, WHEN THEY SCAN THAT THEY CAN GO ON THERE AND FILL OUT AND SAY, YES, I HAD A POSITIVE INTERACTION WITH THIS POLICE OFFICER. OR IF THERE WAS A NEGATIVE INTERACTION WITH A POLICE OFFICER, THEY CAN ACTUALLY REPORT THAT. OKAY. SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE LOCKED IN. OKAY. OKAY. AND THE OTHER MPLEMENTATION WAS THE, UH, SMART HOLSTER. UM, THE, THE SMART HOLSTER IS THERE IS A MECHANISM THAT'S HOOKED ONTO A, EACH UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICER, UH, HOLSTER THAT, UH, HOUSES THEIR WEAPON. AND ANY THAT WEAPON IS TAKEN OUT OF THE HOLSTER OUT ON THE STREET. UH, WHAT HAPPENS IS IT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS THAT THE BODY CAM, THE BODY CAM, AND THE BODY CAM ACTUALLY WILL THEN ACTIVATE. AND ANY OFFICERS THAT SURROUNDING THAT AREA, IT ALSO ACTIVATES THEIR BODY CAMERA AND IT TURNS THEIR BODY CAMERA ON. AND IT ACTUALLY, UH, THEN REQUIRES THAT THE POLICE OFFICER MAKE A REPORT WHY THAT WEAPON WAS, UH, UNHOSTED. OKAY. THANK, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED. GREAT. UM, IS THERE NEXT STEPS FOR THE, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, COULD I MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE? YOU ASKED ABOUT COME SIT DOWN AND MICROPHONE AND THEN INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE. MY NAME IS CAROL ALLEN, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED WAS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT [00:15:01] BEEN IMPLEMENTED, AND ONE THING WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED WAS THE RECOMMENDATION TO LOBBY THE POLICE ACADEMY ABOUT THEIR CURRICULUM. UM, NATIONWIDE, IT'S KNOWN THAT POLICE TEND TO HAVE A WARRIOR MENTALITY INGRAINED IN THEM DURING THEIR TRAINING. AND WE FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CHANGE THAT. SO THAT IS, I THINK, THE MAJOR THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE. THAT HASN'T BEEN A ADDRESSED YET. THE POLICE ACADEMY IS A, A COUNTY YES. THE COUNTY RUNS WESTCHESTER. THE COUNTY, CORRECT. YEAH. THAT MAYBE WHAT WE COULD DO IS WE COULD INVITE, UH, UH, THE LEADERSHIP OF THE POLICE ACADEMY TO A TOWN BOARD, YOU KNOW, WORK SESSION AND MAYBE WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE, UH, YOUR COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE IN THAT. MAYBE, MAYBE WE'LL GO THROUGH THE REPORT. RIGHT. IT'S NOW BEING PRESENTED TO THE TOWN BOARD. RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE REPORT, READ IT, ANALYZE IT, AND WE'LL BE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT. I THINK WHAT'S REMARKABLE ABOUT WHERE WE ARE HERE TODAY, FIVE, ALMOST SIX YEARS LATER, UH, IS THAT THIS WAS A MANDATE THAT WAS PUT BY THE GOVERNOR IN 2020, UH, AFTER GEORGE FLOYD WAS AFTER THE MURDERED, THE KILLING OF GEORGE FLOYD. AND, UM, EVERYBODY HAD TO DO IT. EVERY MUNICIPALITY HAD TO DO IT, AND WE DID IT. BUT WE SAID THEN, AND WE'RE NOW SITTING HERE NOW AND SAYING, WE'RE NOT JUST DOING THIS AS AN ACADEMIC EXERCISE AND IT'S GONNA SIT ON A SHELF. AND YOU'RE SEEING THE RESULTS OF A, UM, COMMITTEE. A COMMITTEE, THAT THAT'S WHERE IT WAS WORKED. UM, HARD. RIGHT. DID YOU MEET ANNUALLY? WHAT, HOW OFTEN DID YOU MEET ? HOW OFTEN DID YOU MEET? WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, IT WAS WEEKLY . IT WAS WEEKLY. THEN AFTER THE INITIAL REPORT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU IN THAT APRIL, WE'VE CUT IT BACK TO ABOUT ONCE A MONTH, RIGHT? YES. WE TOOK LITTLE BREAKS DURING THE SUMMER, FOR WHICH I THINK, BUT IT DIDN'T GO FROM WEEKLY TO MONTHLY IF THERE WAS A TRANSITION, YOU KNOW, TO TWICE A MONTH. AND IT ALL DEPENDED, UH, DEPENDED ON, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU WERE IN THE PROCESS, BECAUSE SOME THINGS NEEDED TO GATHER DATA. UH, BUT THIS WAS NOT A COMMITTEE THAT JUST MET, YOU KNOW, OH, LET'S MEET, LET'S NOT MEET. UM, AND THE DISCUSSIONS WERE ROBUST. EVERYONE ON THE COMMITTEE IS NOT SHY. NOPE. AND GIVES THEIR OPINION, WHICH IS REALLY TERRIFIC. THERE WAS NO ONE MINDSET THAT SOMEBODY SAID, AND EVERYBODY SAID, OKAY. UH, THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS INVOLVEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY WITH THE BRINGING COMMUNITY, UH, INPUT INTO IT AS WELL AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, I ENJOYED EVERY ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE VERY THOUGHT PROVOKING. AND, UH, NOW YOU'RE GIVING IT TO US AND WE WILL READ IT AND WE WILL DECIDE, YOU KNOW, HOW BEST TO PROCEED. AND WE THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. NEXT, SORRY. ON THE LIST, UH, THE GREENBERG, UH, HOUSING, UM, AUTHORITY AND JANET GARRIS AND, UH, ROGER ABRAHAM WILL, UH, MAKE A PRESENTATION. DIDN'T GOOD. HOW ARE GOOD? HOW ARE YOU? YES. DONE. IS THIS? YES. OKAY. OH, IS IN COLOR. I HAVE THE COLOR. HOW MANY OF YOU, OH, MAYBE SHE DIDN'T THE ORIGINAL. MAYBE SHE DIDN'T COLOR. YOU WANNA KEEP THE ORIGINAL? NO, IT'S ALL SUPPOSED TO BE IN COLOR. NO. MAYBE SHE DIDN'T. DO YOU WANNA PULL UP INTO THE CHAIR? HOW YOU, SO JUST TAKE SLIDE OVER HERE AND THEN, BUT THE ONES THAT WE HAVE HERE, GARRETT, WE'VE PULLED UP A CHAIR ALREADY UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER PERSON. THANKS. YOU ARE WELCOME. KEN, YOU DIDN'T WANNA JOIN US FOR OLD TIME SAKE. , YOU COME OLD TIMES. DON'T DO IT. . YOU CAN JOIN US NEXT WEDNESDAY TOO. COME ON. ALRIGHT, SO, OKAY. YOU KEEP SHOWING UP LIKE A BAD PENNY. . THERE ARE NO PENNIES ANYMORE. I KNOW. SO EVERYONE'S NOT GONNA RECOGNIZE THAT TERM EITHER. THIS IS TRUE. I LIKE THE ROTARY PHONE. . YEAH. SO IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELVES. OF COURSE. SO, GOOD EVENING. UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS, I NEED THE MIC A LITTLE CLOSER. JUST PICK UP OVER THE FEED. NOBODY HAS EVER ACCUSED ME [00:20:01] OF NOT TALKING LOUD ENOUGH, BUT WAS ON PICK UP, BUT WE WILL TRY. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING. FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS JANET GARRIS. I'M A PARTNER WITH DELBELLO DENELLE AND WEINGART AND WEISEN WHITAKER. I'M PLEASED TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. ON BEHALF OF THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY, I AM JOINED BY A, UM, WONDERFUL AND TALENTED CAST OF THOUSANDS THIS EVENING. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND CEO OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, RAJU ABRAHAM, UM, OUR PROJECT ARCHITECT, ED VOGEL FROM WARSHOW WARSHOW. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I DIDN'T SEE THE BISHOP ON MY TURN AROUND THE OTHER WAY HE SNUCK IN THERE HE IS BISHOP PRESTON, WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. KEN JONES, WHO YOU ALL KNOW. UM, A RETIRED TOWN BOARD MEMBER EXTRAORDINAIRE, AND ALSO A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. WE'VE GOT JOHN SAVAGE, WHO'S A COUNCIL TO THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY. I MENTIONED ED. WE'VE GOT KRISTER AND NINA RICCI, ROCKVILLE CONSULTING, WHO ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONSULTANTS. UM, SO I KNOW THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY APPEARED BEFORE YOU PROBABLY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF ITS PROPERTY, WHICH IS AT NINE, UM, MAPLE AVENUE IN THE TOWN. SINCE THAT TIME, THEY'VE BEEN AT, UH, ASSEMBLING A TEAM OF CONSULTANTS, UM, AND PROFESSIONALS TO TRY TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY'VE WORKED THROUGH A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH THE STATE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AS WELL AS, UM, HAVE CONDUCTED A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH, UM, REGARD TO THE PROPOSED REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT. AND, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROPOSING FINANCING OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY THROUGH, UM, HCR. SO, UM, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE IS A REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ENTIRE SITE. UH, IT'LL BE, IT, IT IS CURRENTLY 131 UNITS, AND I DON'T WANNA STEAL TOO MUCH OF RAJ'S, UM, UM, STAGED THIS EVENING. BUT JUST TO, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE SITE ITSELF. SO THE SITE CURRENTLY, UH, EIGHT ACRES JUST UNDER EIGHT ACRES, 7.98 ACRES, CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH 131 UNITS OF HOUSING, UM, TOGETHER WITH RELATED PARKING AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN 11 BUILDINGS. ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS, UH, IS THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. UM, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A REDEVELOPMENT, AS I MENTIONED, OF THE PROPERTY WITH FIVE FOUR STORY BUILDINGS TO CONTAIN A TOTAL OF 209 UNITS, UM, TOGETHER WITH RELATED PARKING AND INFRASTRUCTURE. AND, UH, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IT WOULD BE A PROJECT THAT WOULD BE FINANCED THROUGH HCR, IT WOULD BE OFFERED AS AFFORDABLE, UH, WORKFORCE HOUSING. DO YOU WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY WHO'S LISTENING INSTEAD OF USING JUST ACRONYMS, EXPLAIN WHAT HC SPELL WHAT HCR IS. FOR INSTANCE, NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT HOUSING COMMUNITY RENEWAL, UM, OFFERED TO THOSE EARNING BETWEEN 30 AND 80% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME, SO INTENDED TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THERE WILL BE ALSO A NUMBER OF NON-REGULATED UNITS THAT WILL BE OFFERED UP TO, I THINK IT'S 120% OF A MI. SO, UH, I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE RAJU. HE'LL GO THROUGH IT WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, AND THEN ED WILL PRESENT THE PROPOSAL AND THEN WE CAN, UM, ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. NON-REGULATED, DOES THAT MEAN RETAIL? I MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, MARKET RATE, MARKET RATE, UP TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME. , IF YOU COULD JUST TURN YOUR MIC OFF, PLEASE. YOU ALRIGHT. GOOD EVENING, SUPERVISOR. FINER AND TOWN BOARD MEMBERS. HAPPY NEW YEAR. IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU TODAY TO SHARE THE PROGRESS UPDATES ON THE MAPLE STREET RESIDENCE CAMPUS REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT OF THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY. PRETTY LONG, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS AND TO GATHER THE TOWN BOARD'S VALUABLE FEEDBACK. FEEDBACK ON THIS PROJECT, WE PRESENTED THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE TOWN TO TWO YEARS AGO. SINCE THEN, WE HAVE ADDED PROFESSIONALS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM. IN ADDITION TO WMW ARCHITECTS, WE HAVE HIRED A DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT, ROCKVILLE CONSULTING, ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING, CIVIL ENGINEERING FIRM, A KRF. WE HAVE A LAND USE ATTORNEY AND SURVEYORS. TOGETHER, THESE PROFESSIONALS HAVE PROVIDED GUIDANCE ON FACING AND FINANCING, WHICH HAS BEEN INCORPORATED IN TODAY'S PRESENTATION. WE HAVE ALSO CONDUCTED TWO RESIDENTS MEETING TO GATHER INPUT ON THE DESIGN. RESIDENT FEEDBACK HAS BEEN VERY POSITIVE AND RESIDENTS ARE VERY KEEN TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PLAN REDEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE ALSO INFORMED OTHER PARTIES OF THE PLAN REDEVELOPMENT. [00:25:01] WE MET RECENTLY WITH THE GREENBERG CENTRAL SCHOOL BOARD DISTRICT BOARD OF TO INFORM THEM OF THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS IN THE, IN THE INCREASE IN UNITS. WE HAVE ALSO RECEIVED APPROVAL OF THE PLAN REDEVELOPMENT FROM THE STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE, THE PROPOSED PROJECT KNOWN AS A MAPLE STREET RESIDENCES REDEVELOPMENT IS BEING DEVELOPED UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. THIS OVERSIGHT ENSURES THAT WE REMAIN FOCUSED ON OUR MISSION TO ENHANCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, WHILE ADDRESSING THE CRITICAL NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS AND WHICH ALIGNS WITH THE BOARD'S MISSION. THE EXISTING UNITS COMMISSIONED IN 1961 CONSISTS OF 131 UNITS, RANGING FROM FIVE BED, ZERO TO FIVE BEDROOM APARTMENTS SPREAD ACROSS 10 AGING BUILDINGS ON 8.62 ACRES OF LAND. THESE STRUCTURES HAVE SERVED THE COMMUNITY FOR 65 YEARS, BUT THEY ARE NOW FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE AND PRESENT NUMEROUS CHALLENGES. THE CAMPUS INFRASTRUCTURE IS FALTERING WITH OUTDATED HEATING, VENTILATION, AND AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM THAT UTILIZES A CENTRAL BOILER AND UNDERGROUND PIPING. THIS POSES NOT ONLY INEFFICIENCY IN IN ENERGY CONSUMPTION, BUT ALSO SIGNIFICANT SAFETY CONCERNS, INCLUDING THE SUSPECTED PRESENCE OF ASBESTOS IN THE PIPINGS. ADDITIONALLY, THE EXISTING ELECTRICAL SYSTEM IS INADEQUATE FOR MODERN NEEDS, CREATING POTENTIAL HAZARDS FOR RESIDENTS. WE MUST ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE SEWER SYSTEM IS OUTDATED AND INCAPABLE OF ACCOMMODATING THE CURRENT POPULATION'S DEMANDS, AND IS A GRAVE HEALTH CONCERN TO THE RESIDENT POPULATION. ACCESS TO RESIDENTS AND EMERGENCY PERSONAL IS EITHER CRITICAL MATTER AND CONCERN. AS WE ALL KNOW, THE DEMAND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG HAS REACHED CRITICAL LEVELS, MAKING IT IMPERATIVE TO US TO RESPOND PROACTIVELY. IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY 2025, THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME FOR 4% HOUSEHOLD WAS 170,000. THE REDEVELOPMENT WILL PREDOMINANTLY SERVE HOUSEHOLDS EARNING BETWEEN 30 AND 80% OF THE A MI OR BETWEEN 51,000 AND 136,000. THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THESE RESIDENTS IS EVIDENCED BY GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHOR GREENBERG HEIGHTS WAITING LIST, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS 750 APPLICATIONS. THAT WAS OPENED IN 2023. THE SECTION EIGHT WAITING LIST, WHICH HAS 690 APPLICATIONS, WAS OPENED LAST IN 2015. THIS REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT IS DESIGNED TO REPLACE THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE WITH MODERN ENERGY EFFICIENT BUILDINGS THAT WILL ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS. WE PROPOSE TO CONSTRUCT FIVE NEW THREE TO FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, EQUIPPED WITH ELEVATORS RESULTING IN APPROXIMATELY 209 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND INCREASE OF 78 HOMES FOR FAMILIES IN NEED. THIS EXPANSION DIRECTLY ALIGNS WITH THE MISSION OF THE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY TO PRESERVE AND INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IN OUR COMMUNITY, OUR VISION IS NOT MERELY TO PROVIDE MORE UNITS, BUT TO CREATE A SAFE, SUSTAINABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENT FILLED WITH MODERN AMENITIES. RESIDENTS WILL BENEFIT FROM BETTER ACCESS WITH FEATURES SUCH AS ELEVATORS, IMPROVING MOBILITY FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES, AND SENIORS ENHANCED INFRASTRUCTURE WILL PROVIDE HIGH SAFETY STANDARDS AND SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE RESIDENTS QUALITY OF LIFE. FURTHERMORE, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT OFFERS SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR INCORPORATING GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE PRACTICES. BY UTILIZING SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS AND DESIGNS, WE CAN CREATE RESILIENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE BETTER PREPARED FOR FUTURE ENVIRONMENTAL CHALLENGES. ALIGNING WITH OUR COMMITMENT TO A GREENER FUTURE. AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE ACT DECISIVELY TO PROVIDE OUR COMMUNITY WITH SAFE, DECENT HOUSING THAT MEETS MODERN STANDARDS. THE MAPLE STREET RA RE, MAPLE STREET RESIDENCES REDEVELOPMENT REPRESENTS NOT ONLY A NECESSARY SOLUTION TO AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT ALSO A PROFOUND AFFIRMATION OF OUR COMMITMENT TO THE WELLBEING OF OUR RESIDENTS. AND THE OVERARCHING MISSION TO EXPAND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN GREENBURG. I ENCOURAGE YOUR THOUGHTS, [00:30:01] QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS VITAL INITIATIVE. TOGETHER UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF GHA BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, WE CAN TRANSFORM THE MAPLE STREET CAMPUS INTO A VIBRANT COMMUNITY THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS TODAY AND FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. THANK YOU. I WILL INVITE MR. ED TO DO THE VISUAL PRESENTATION NOW. ALL RIGHT. HELLO EVERYONE. HELLO. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. LET ME SHARE, RIGHT? I CAN MINIMIZE THIS AS WELL. RECORDING. SORRY. SO CAN YOU WAIT JUST A SECOND? WAIT. SURE. SHUT OFF YOUR AUDIO. I JUST, NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ELLEN. IT'S ELLEN. IT'S ELLEN. IT'S ELLEN. IT'S ELLEN. IT, I KNOW HER AUDIO. I AM, I'M WE'RE JUST HELPING HER. WE'RE JUST HELPING YOU HELPING. HERE WE GO. ALRIGHT. I FORGOT TO DO THAT FIRST, SO I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYBODY. IT'S OKAY. AND I STUMBLED BEFORE AS I WAS TRYING TO GET IN AS WELL. UM, SO WHAT WE HAVE UP IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW IS A GOOGLE IMAGE OF THE SITE, WHICH IS THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY. IT'S WHAT THEY CALL THE STATE SITE. MM-HMM . UM, THE STATE SITE IS, IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW AND ALL THE YELLOW ON THE IMAGE REPRESENTS, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPERTIES, GREENER OR PROPERTIES THAT ARE FOR RECREATION. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME MARKET RATE IN THE AREA AS RED. UM, THE SITE IS TAGGED AND IT'S BORDERED AT THE NORTH BY OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD, AND THEN TO THE SOUTH BY 2 87, THERE'S A STREAM TO THE EAST, WHICH IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE SITE. AND TO THE WEST IS A NEIGHBORHOOD OF ONE AND TWO FAMILIES. UM, AS YOU CAN ALSO SEE ON HERE A LARGER VIEW OF THIS, WE HAVE SOME BUS STOPS FOR, UM, TRANSPORTATION. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME, UH, RIGHT ALONG FOR ONE 19 DOWN BELOW, WHICH THEN LEADS INTO THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS AND THE SHOPPING DISTRICT AROUND IN THE AREA. OUR NEXT IMAGE HERE IS THE ZONING MAP. AND THIS JUST GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND US. THE SITE, THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY STATE SITE IS THE M 14, WHICH IS HATCHED IN RED. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT SITS THERE AND HOW THE, THE ZONING BOUNDARIES WORK IN AND AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE LARGE STRIPE OR SWATH THAT HAPPENS THROUGH HERE THROUGH MY CURSOR, THAT'S 2 87. AND THEN DOWN BELOW A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, IT'S A LITTLE BIT NARROWER. THAT'S ROUTE ONE 19. SO THIS IMAGE HERE IS THE CURRENT SITE AND CAMPUS CONFIGURATION. AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER FOR MR. ABRAMS, THERE ARE 10 BUILDINGS IN TOTAL. ONE OF THEM RIGHT IN THE CENTER, AND I'LL PUT MY CURSOR OVER IT RIGHT HERE IS THE ADMIN OFFICE AND THE MAIN HEATING PLANT OF THE COMPLEX. UM, I'LL DEMONSTRATE A LITTLE BIT LATER ON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. BUT THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS KIND OF AROUND THAT FROM A CENTRAL POINT. UH, THERE ARE TWO PARKING FIELDS AND THEY CONNECT TO THE STREET GRID, BUT THEY'RE ALSO NOT CONNECTED TOGETHER. AND WHAT WE SHOWED THE LAST TIME HERE WAS JUST AS A REFRESHER, WAS FIVE BUILDINGS REINTEGRATING INTO THE STREET GRID A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FOR ACCESS FOR VEHICLES AND EXITING POSSIBILITIES OUT TOWARD OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD. THERE WERE FIVE BUILDINGS HERE. AND YOU CAN SEE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET THERE IS A BROOK. IT'S A DRAINAGE, STORMWATER, DRAINAGE BROOK. AND THEN TO THE RIGHT IS OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, WHICH IS TO THE NORTH. AND THEN TO THE SOUTH YOU JUST SEE A YELLOW STRIPE, WHICH WOULD BE TO THE LEFT. UM, THAT'S 2 87, THE EDGE OF 2 87. THIS HAS BEEN REFINED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, BUT [00:35:01] I MENTIONED EARLIER THE CENTRAL HEATING PLANT, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE BY MY CURSIVE. SO THE GRAY SHAPES ARE THE EXISTING BUILDINGS. AND THEN WE ARE ALSO SHOWING IN HERE THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS. THOSE PROPOSED BUILDINGS, AS YOU CAN SEE, OCCUPY BASICALLY THE SAME SITE AREA AS THE EXISTING, BUT FROM THE HEATING PLANT, THERE ARE TWO LOOPS. ONE TRAVELS TO THE SOUTH, THE OTHER ONE TRAVELS TO THE NORTH. AND BEING A PHASED DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE CURRENT RESIDENTS ARE WELCOME ON THIS SITE, IS THEY HAVE TO THEN QUALIFY, BUT THEY WOULD BE WELCOME TO RETURN. AND AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSES THROUGH THE PHASES, WE HAVE TO DISASSEMBLE IT IN A LOGICAL MANNER SO PEOPLE CAN STILL RESIDE HERE. AS THE NEW CONSTRUCTION RISES, UM, THERE IS GOING TO BE SOME RESIDENTS THAT WILL HAVE TO MOVE OUT AND MOVE BACK. SO THERE'S TWO MOVES, BUT WE FOCUSED VERY HARD FROM THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY TO LIMIT THAT TO ONE MOVE. SO YOU'RE GOING FROM YOUR UNIT INTO NEW, UM, BUT WE CAN'T JUST DO THAT AS YOU CAN SEE OVER THE ENTIRE SITE WITH THE AREAS, BECAUSE SOMEONE WILL HAVE TO BE DISPLACED. THERE ARE SOME MECHANISMS, DISPLACEMENT'S GONNA BE THE SAME AS THE MANHATTAN AVENUE, UM, WHERE THEY WOULD BE MOVED TO OTHER APARTMENTS AROUND THE, THE LOCAL AREA, THE COUNTER AREA, A SMALL NUMBER. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE 15 OR SO WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONES THAT WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE TEMPORARILY OFFSITE AND THEN COME BACK. WOULD IT BE 15 AT A TIME OR WOULD IT BE 15 TOTAL? 15 TOTAL. NOW IT, IT'S, IT'S A MOVING TARGET BECAUSE THE TURNOVER IN THE UNITS AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT CHANGE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY. THAT'S HOW IT IS. THE REMAINDER OF THE UNITS, UH, RESIDENTS MAY HAVE TO MOVE TWICE, BUT THEY WOULD MOVE INTERNALLY ON CAMPUS. MAJORITY OF THEM, I'M GONNA SAY 60% OF THEM WILL HAVE ONE MOVE FROM THEIR EXISTING UNIT INTO NEW CONSTRUCTION. BUT LIKE SENIORS BE TREATED, HOW WILL YOU DECIDE? YOU KNOW, WHO WILL GET THE BETTER, UH, WILL BE SENIORS WILL BE BASED ON LIKE BUILDINGS. IT'S BASED ON THE BUILDING SEQUENCE. OKAY. SO IF THERE ARE SENIORS THAT ARE IN A BUILDING, THEY'LL MOVE INTO THE NEW BUILDING IN THE SEQUENCE OF WHICH WE HAVE THE TAKE DOWN AND THE RISE AS, AS I'M UNDERSTANDING, OR MAYBE MY INTERPRETATION OR QUESTION, WILL SENIORS BE GIVEN PRIORITY BECAUSE THEY ARE SENIORS AND LESS CAPABLE OF MAKING THE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE? WOULD THEY HAVE TO, WOULD THEY BE EXCLUDED FROM MOVING TWICE, FOR INSTANCE? I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER, BUT WE CAN TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO YES, WE CAN TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, BUT AT THIS POINT I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER OF COURSE. AND AS I THINK ABOUT IT, THE WAY THE SEQUENCE IS HERE, WELL WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. IT'S SOMETHING TO PUT ON YOUR CHECKLIST. SURE. WE'LL DO THAT. OKAY. DEFINITELY. THANK YOU, ROGER. SO WITH THE REFINEMENT, THIS IS THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE FURTHER REFINED. THEY'RE BASICALLY IN THE SAME AREA. THEIR SHAPES HAVE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. WE'VE FOCUSED A LITTLE BIT MORE ON FRONTS AND THEN TO THE SIDES AND ARREARS. UH, THE CONFIGURATION HERE IS BROKEN INTO A PHASING SEQUENCE WHERE THE MOVES OF THE RESIDENTS ARE LIMITED. SO THERE ARE SOME RED LINES ON HERE. AND THE FIRST PHASE WOULD BE THE TWO BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTH. AGAIN, KEEPING INTO ACCOUNT THE HEATING IN THE CENTRAL PLANT, THERE'LL BE A SECOND PHASE, WHICH IS BROKEN INTO AN A AND A B. AND THE SECOND PHASE WOULD BE TO THE NORTH ALONG OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD, AND THEN EVENTUALLY TO THE CENTER, WHICH IS THE HEATING PLANT, WHICH WOULD BE THE LAST PIECE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO NEW CONSTRUCTION. ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WAS SPOKEN ABOUT WAS VIEW SHEDS WHEN WE WERE HERE TWO YEARS AGO. SO WE'VE TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO START TO DESCRIBE THAT HERE WITH THESE, WE HAVE A FEW IMAGES AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THEM. SO THIS IS AN IMAGE LOOKING IN A SOUTHWEST DIRECTION NORTH. UH, OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD IS IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER. 2 87 IS UP IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER. YOU SEE THERE'S A LITTLE STRIP. UM, AND THIS IS HOW IT WOULD NEST INTO, UM, THE [00:40:01] AREA OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS BUILDINGS ARE BASICALLY FOUR STORIES IN HEIGHT. WE HAVE A SECOND VIEW SHED, AND THIS ONE IS LOOKING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. SO THIS IS IN A NORTHEASTERLY DIRECTION. UM, 2 87 IS NOW IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER, AND IN THE FOREGROUND IS THE NEIGHBORING CHURCH. AND OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE YOU CAN SEE A OFFICE BUILDING. AND THEN WE HAVE A FEW PERSPECTIVES FROM STREET LEVEL. SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THE MAJOR INTERSECTION IN VIEW FROM OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD, WHICH IS IN THE FOREGROUND TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT IS MAPLE STREET. AND IT'S VERY PARK-LIKE. THE SIDEWALK ACTUALLY PEELS BACK FROM THE CURB OF THE ROAD. IT WEAVES BETWEEN SOME MATURE TREES, WHICH WE ARE HOPING TO KEEP. RIGHT. SO WE'VE, WE'VE EARMARKED AREAS ON THE SITE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING MATURE TREES. AND HERE WE HAVE AN IMAGE THAT IS INTERNAL TO THE SITE. THIS IMAGE IS, UM, IN THE FRONT OF BUILDING NUMBER TWO ENTRY. AND WE'RE LOOKING NORTHERLY. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BUILDINGS STEP BACK A BIT. WE HAVE THE PARKING FIELD AND THERE'S ENOUGH OF A GATHERING SPACE AND PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO MEET. AND HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS WILL THERE BE? WELL, WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IS, IS OVER 280 PARKING SPACES BASIS. WE ANTICIPATE THAT NUMBER TO POTENTIALLY CHANGE AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSES. AND, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT IN THE SAME RANGE. SO FROM A PARKING PERSPECTIVE, IT IS TO INCREASE THE PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS, NOT ONLY THE INCREASE IN DENSITY. SO THE EXTRA UNITS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE, BUT ALSO THE AMOUNT OF PARKING PER UNIT, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE VISITOR PARKING, I GUESS. YES. YEAH. AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT KIND OF GIVES US THE BIG OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE WHOLE PROJECT IS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU TODAY. I HAVE A BUNCH, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, FLOODING ISSUES OF, I THINK IT'S MANHATTAN BOOK. IS THAT RUN BEHIND? UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOOK IS CALLED. OKAY. BUT, OR IT WAS AT TRIBUTARY. I DON'T REMEMBER. BUT PRIMARILY THE, THE CONCERN ABOUT FLOODING, AND I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS, UM, THAT IT, THIS, THIS WATERWAY RUNS, CROSSES BOUNDARIES TO ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY. UM, I BELIEVE EVENTUALLY, YES. EVENTUALLY. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS THERE VIS-A-VIS, UM, CONTROL, FLOODING CONTROL. AND I'D LIKE TO FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED OR, OR, UH, WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING TO ALLEVIATE THAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS A BIG CONCERN. YES. AND WE HEARD THAT. SO FROM A SITE ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, WE'LL BE VIEWING TO COLLECT AND EITHER HOLD OR RETAIN STORMWATER THAT WILL, WHICH ISN'T HAPPENING TODAY. RIGHT. BACK IN THE SIXTIES IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS JUST RELEASED INTO THE STREAM. UM, SO THAT IN ITSELF WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT. WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE SITE AS A WHOLE. AND SINCE WE BORDER A TRIBUTARY TO A STREAM, THE STREAM EVENTUALLY ENDS UP IN THE BRONX RIVER. THE BRONX RIVER EXITS OUT IN LONG ISLAND SOUND. THE, THAT STREAM EMBANKMENT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANUP IN THERE FROM BRUSH. WE ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH PLANTING DIFFERENT TREES. SO THE TREES THEMSELVES CAN HELP WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE A FULL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. YOU'LL BE HIRING AN EXPERT TO WE HAVE. SO IT'S KR YEAH. A KF. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THEY'RE DOING TWO FACETS, CIVIL [00:45:01] ENGINEERING, AND THEY'RE DOING SOME PLANNING AND THEY'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A, A BUILDING STAFF. THEY YES, THEY HAVE SAID THAT, THAT THEY HAVE REACHED OUT. AND DO THEY BELIEVE THE PROBLEM IS FIXABLE? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT. RIGHT? ARE WE GONNA FIX ALL THE STORM WATER ISSUES? NO. AT THE PROPERTY. AT THE PROPERTY, YES. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, HOW MANY, WHAT ARE THE SIZES? YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THE UNITS, HOW MANY BEDROOMS, WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN PER THAT SETUP? SURE. SO THE UNITS THEMSELVES ARE GOING TO BE ONE BEDROOMS THROUGH FOUR BEDROOM UNITS. MATTER OF FACT, I CAN TAKE YOU HERE. EXCUSE ME. THIS IS GONNA BE EASY. WELL, I DON'T HAVE THE COUNTS HERE. THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT. BEFORE WE LEAVE THE STORMWATER, I DID WANT TO JUST POSE A QUESTION. I KNOW FOR OTHER PROJECTS, UM, THERE'S BEEN COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY AND THEIR HOME FUNDING SOURCES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS. DO YOU THINK THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY THAT THIS PROJECT COULD CONNECT WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY TO SEE IF THERE'S, UH, ABILITY TO GET INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS, WHICH COULD GIVE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS? UH, FROM A STORMWATER PERSPECTIVE, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A CULVERT, UH, ADJACENT TO OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD PARK WHERE IN CERTAIN STORMS, AND I WOULD SAY MULTIPLE TIMES PER YEAR, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE UNDERSIZED NATURE OF THAT CULVERT, THE, THE STORMWATER OVERTAKES THE STREET, IT OVERTAKES THE CULVERT AND RUNS ACROSS AND THEN KIND OF WASHES OUT THE WHOLE PARK. UM, THE COUNTY'S BEEN VERY PROACTIVE IN SUPPORTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. AND THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THEY COULD ASSIST, UM, WITH SIZING OF THE CULVERT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY HAVE OUR ENGINEERS, UM, COORDINATE WITH YOU WITH THE LOCALIZED FLOODING ISSUES AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE ARE POTENTIAL REMEDIES. BUT I GUESS THE MAIN QUESTION WOULD BE FUTURE, IF YOU CAN EXPLORE THE COUNTY POTENTIAL FOR HOME INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING IN CONNECTION WITH MAYBE HOUSING IMPLEMENTATION FUNDS. HI, I'M SORRY. HI. HI. YES. YEAH, THANKS. SO THERE, WHO WAS THAT IT, GARRETT? OR WAS THERE THAT WAS IT. OKAY. SO UP ON THE SCREEN NOW IS A UNIT DISTRIBUTION BREAKDOWN. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT WE HAVE ONE BEDROOMS THROUGH FOUR BEDROOM UNITS, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DISTRIBUTION HERE. UM, SO THERE'S BASICALLY, UM, ONE THIRD OF THE SITE WILL BE ONE BEDROOMS, AND THEN YOU HAVE A THIRD TWO BEDROOMS, A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 30% FOR THREES. AND THE REMAINDER 5% IS FOUR BEDROOM UNITS. UM, THERE'S NO SQUARE FOOTAGE. UH, WE CAN DO SOME SQUARE FOOTAGES. SURE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS YOU STARTED TO SHOW, RIGHT? YES. BUT THE QUESTION WAS DISTRIBUTION. RIGHT? RIGHT. I DIDN'T THAT YOU WENT, YOU FLASHED BY THAT SO QUICKLY. YEAH, YEAH, I DID. SO HERE IS, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGES. SO THE, THE WAY THIS WORKS IS YOU CAN SEE THE, THE MAKEUP OF THE UNITS. THE SECOND COLUMN IS THE EXISTING UNIT, AND THEY COME IN RANGES. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN IS THE THIRD COLUMN. AND THEN WE'VE PROVIDED THE HCR GUIDELINES. AND THEY ARE A RANGE. SO ALL THE UNITS ARE LARGER IN SIZE AND THEY ARE ALL IN THE LARGER HALF OF THE HCR GUIDELINES. OKAY. AND THEY HAVE, AND SO THE STAIRS ARE INTERNAL STAIRS WHEN YOU HAVE WITH STAIRS, THAT'S AN INTERNAL, LIKE THEY ARE NOW, WE DO NOT HAVE WHAT WE CALL DUPLEX UNITS. SO THERE'S OH, SO THESE, THE NEW OLOGY WILL BE ALL FLATS, NOT MULTI-LEVEL UNITS. OH, OKAY. 'CAUSE IT SAYS 7 83, IF I'M READING THAT IN MY EYES. AND THE A 43 WAS STAIRS, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT'S EXISTING. RIGHT. EXISTING ONES. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I WAS THERE. OKAY. THE SECOND COLUMN IS ALL EXISTING THIRD COLUMN. I'M SORRY, I IS THE PROPOSED. MY APOLOGIES. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL SCORE WITHOUT THE STAIRS, BECAUSE THE STAIRS ARE A LOSS IN SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR EACH UNIT. YEAH. YOU MENTIONED, I'M SORRY, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I CAN COME BACK IF I HAVE MORE BECAUSE I SHARED THAT . BUT JUST, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE BEEN GONE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU'VE HAD, YOU'VE HAD MEETINGS OR INFORMATION SESSIONS. SO, UM, HOW MANY OF THE CURRENT RESIDENTS HAVE ATTENDED THOSE OR WHAT PERCENTAGE AND THAT YOU SAID ARE FA FAVORABLE TO THIS? I WOULD SAY WE HAD MORE THAN 60 PER PERSON ATTENDANCE FOR THOSE MEETINGS. BUT HOW MUCH DOES THAT REPRESENT IN [00:50:01] TERMS OF THE WHOLE POPULATION? 60%. OH, 60% OR 60%? 60%. 60%. WHAT PERCENTAGE SAY? I WOULD SAY 60% ITSELF BECAUSE OH, OKAY. I COULDN'T TELL IF YOU'RE SAYING PERSON OR SORRY, ACCENT ON WHICH SALON. YEAH, RIGHT. I APOLOGIZE. RUSH YOU. UM, OKAY. AND I THINK THERE WAS A VERY STR, MOST OF THEM, I WOULD SAY, LIKE EVERYONE WAS IN FAVOR OF THE REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE, UH, LIKE I MENTIONED, THESE UNITS ARE MORE THAN 60 OR FIVE YEARS OLD. AND THEY HAVE, WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH THAT. YEAH. SO THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE AS A TOWN BOARD, AS, AS THEY WERE VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN KNOWING THE SIZE OF THE UNITS, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . AND WHETHER THE, THE OTHER CHALLENGE WE HAVE WITH THE SENIORS LIVING EVEN IN A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT WHERE THEY HAVE TO CLIMB THE STAIRS INSIDE. SO THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR THEM. SO WHEN YOU SAY WE HAVE IT ON A LEVEL FOOTING FOR LEVEL FLOOR FOR ALL THE UNITS, IT'S MUCH EASIER FOR THEM TO ACCESS MM-HMM . OU, CAN YOU JUST COMPARE THE CURRENT NUMBER OF FOUR AND FIVE BEDROOM UNITS THAT EXIST NOW TO WHAT IS PROPOSED HAVE BEEN PROPOSED? BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE THAT DIFFERENCE BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING UNITS AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE WILL HAVE MORE UNITS, BUT PERHAPS FOR FEWER PEOPLE IN THOSE UNITS. SO, SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE 24 UNITS, WHICH ARE FOUR BEDROOMS AND FIVE BEDROOMS. THAT IS 4 16, 4 BEDROOMS AND EIGHT FIVE BEDROOMS. AND IN THE NEW CONFIGURATION, WHAT IS THAT? AND THE NEW, WE JUST HAD IT UP ON THE SCREEN. 10. YEAH, I CAN 10 FOURS, I CAN GO BACK. YEAH. IT'S 10 FOURS AND NO FIVES. SO LET'S, THE DEMAND FOR THOSE LARGER OR MULTI BIG BEDROOM UNITS HAS FALLEN OVER THE YEARS. UM, NOT ONLY AM I HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT I HAVE DONE A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OVER THE COURSE OF MY CAREER, PARTICULARLY WORKING, UM, IN TARRYTOWN RIGHT NOW. AND SIMILARLY WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN FIVE BEDROOM UNITS THERE, THEY HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED, ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE HAVING SMALLER FAMILIES. MM-HMM . WHAT ABOUT THREES? EXISTING AND PROPOSED EXISTING? WE HAVE THREE BEDROOMS. 39 PROPOSED IS 58. 58. WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE MOVING OUT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION, THEN THEY MOVE BACK IN, WILL THEIR RENT BE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME OR DOES IT GO UP WHEN THEY GET THE NEW BUILDING INTO THE NEW BUILDING? I THINK, UM, OH, SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO QUALIFY. CHRIS CAN ANSWER THIS QUESTION. I, I RE I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHAT EVERYBODY SAID. UH, WE HAD MANHATTAN AVENUE, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR SHARING TO THE TABLE. HE'S GOT, YEAH, I DID THE SAME, BUT WE'RE ALL SHARING THE MIC. THERE YOU GO. HI GUYS. UH, GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. MY NAME IS CHRIS DUR. I'M WITH ROCKVILLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND CONSULTING. UM, WE'RE A, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, DEVELOPER AND CONSULTANT. UM, WE WORK, UH, PRIMARILY IN NEW YORK STATE AND WE WORK WITH A LOT OF HOUSING AUTHORITIES DOING VERY SIMILAR THINGS THAT THE, THE GREENBERG HOUSING AUTHORITY IS TRYING TO DO. UM, THE QUESTION WAS, UH, RIGHT NOW, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT IS, UM, IS NOT REGULATED, UM, BY HCR. UM, AND WE'RE THE, THE MAIN FUNDING SOURCE IS THROUGH HCR. UM, AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS ASKED, UM, ABOUT THE A MI DISTRIBUTION. UM, AND, UH, I'M GONNA GET TO YOUR RENT QUESTION, BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR YOU. OKAY. UM, THE, UH, SO THE A MI THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, UH, WILL RANGE FROM PREDOMINANTLY FROM 30% TO 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. THAT'S GREAT. WE HAVE, UM, FROM DOING SOME ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING HOUSEHOLDS, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME HOUSEHOLDS THAT CURRENTLY RESIDE IN THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE OVER IN PERCENT A MI. UM, AND SO WE WOULD STRETCH THAT A MI BANDWIDTH TO 120 OR 130% OF A MI IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE HOUSEHOLDS. UM, BECAUSE, UM, THE OBJECTIVE, UM, IS TO ABSOLUTELY ENSURE THAT THERE IS NO DISLOCATION, UM, OF ANY EXISTING RESIDENCE. THERE MAY BE RELOCATION DURING THE, UH, THE REDEVELOPMENT, UM, [00:55:01] BUT NO DISLOCATION OF RESIDENTS. SO IF SOMEBODY IS OVER 80%, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM IN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO THOSE UNITS, THOSE THAT EVEN EXCEED THE A HUNDRED PERCENT A MI, THEY'RE NOT REALLY GONNA BE COMPETITIVE PRICEWISE, THERE'S GONNA BE CAP THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. THERE WILL BE CAPS, THEY'LL ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING HOUSEHOLDS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE WHAT I WOULD, UH, REFER TO AS TRUE MARKET RATE UNITS. UM, OKAY. AND EVEN IN RESALE, EVEN IN THE RE-RENT, WE WOULD NOT NO RERE RENT. THE OBJECTIVE IS TO REALLY IS TO CAP THEM AT 130%, NO GREATER THAN 130%, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE EXISTING HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE THERE. UM, BUT WOULDN'T, UH, WOULDN'T STRETCH THE, THE RENTS TO REALLY TRUE MARKET RATE. UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THE, UM, UM, THE COMMENT WAS MADE IS THAT THOSE UNITS WOULD BE UNREGULATED. UM, THE REGULATED UNITS ARE THOSE UNITS THAT GO FROM 30% TO 80%. UM, THOSE ARE THE UNITS THAT CAN QUALIFY FOR THE TAX CREDITS NECESSARY TO DRIVE, UM, THE PRIMARY FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. YOU CAN'T GET TAX CREDITS FOR UNITS THAT ARE OVER 80%. SO IT KIND OF WORKS AGAINST US TO HAVE MORE UNITS THAT ARE OVER, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE THERE. UM, THAT'S PRESERVING THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT. IT IS, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT IT ENSURES, UM, MIXED A MIXED INCOME WITHIN THE, THE CAMPUS ITSELF, WHICH I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, REAL GOOD BENEFITS FROM. UM, I MENTIONED ALL OF THIS CONTEXT, UM, AND THE MAIN FUNDING SOURCE BEING HCR, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY HCR IS GONNA DETERMINE WHAT THE RENTS ARE GOING TO BE. AND HCR IS GONNA MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BASED ON THOSE 30 TO 80% A MI HOUSEHOLD, AND THEY'LL DETERMINE THAT, OKAY, FOR A 30% HOUSEHOLD, THIS IS WHAT THE RENT WILL BE FOR A 50% HOUSEHOLD FOR 60%, AND FOR AN 80%, THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING UP. THEY CHANGE EVERY YEAR, THEY COULD COME DOWN, BUT HISTORICALLY, UM, THERE'VE ONLY BEEN A COUPLE OF INSTANCES WHERE THEY'VE COME DOWN. UM, SO THE RENTS WILL BE REGULATED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS BY HCR, UM, AND HCR WILL, UM, WILL DICTATE WHAT THOSE RENTS ARE IN COORDINATION WITH, UM, THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. UM, SO THE OBJECTIVE IS TO, UM, MAINTAIN THOSE RENTS AS AFFORDABLE LONG TERM, UM, AND TO ALLOW THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TO BALANCE THE OPERATING EXPENSES WITH THE INCOME THAT'S GENERATED, UM, BY THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT REALLY NO MORE THAN THAT, IT'S INTENDED TO BE A BREAKEVEN ANALYSIS. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHAT HCR DOES IN ESTABLISHING ITS RENTS, UM, TO, TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT, UH, THAT BREAKEVEN. AND WHEN WE WERE DOING THE MANHATTAN HAVE NEEDED PROJECTS, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS COULD BE SORT OF SURVIVAL FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS, UM, THEN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WOULDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO, UH, DO THE RENOVATIONS AND WOULD, WITHOUT A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, IT WOULD CREATE MAJOR PROBLEMS FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. SO, SO THE SAME THING, ISN'T IT? YES. SO, SO THIS IS, SO, SO REALLY, UM, THE APPROVAL OF THIS IS REALLY ESSENTIAL FOR THE LONG TERM, UH, VIABILITY OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THAT AREA. AND I MEAN, I THOUGHT THAT THE, THE, THE, THE VISUALS, YOU KNOW, REALLY, UM, ARE A BIG IMPROVEMENT IN TERMS OF THE CHARACTER OF, UH, THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, LOOKS NEW. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, I THINK IT REALLY WILL HAVE SUCH A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE WHOLE, NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR THERE. SO CAN WE GO BACK TO, SO THE RESIDENTS DURING THE TRANSITION SO EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO RETURN? YES. THAT'S GUARANTEED. EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO RETURN IF I, IF I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK OUT OF ORDER. OKAY. UM, BUT JUST SO THAT I, I'M VERY CLEAR, I THINK ALL RESIDENTS IN GOOD STANDING WILL BE ABLE TO RETURN. UM, AND I JUST INSERT THAT ADDITIONAL COMPONENT OF IN GOOD STANDING. UM, AND THAT IS YOU NEED TO DEFINE IN GOOD STANDING. YES. SO THEY HAVE TO BE CURRENT WITH RENT. WITH THEIR RENT. SO IF SOMEBODY'S NOT CURRENT WITH THEIR RENT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, THERE, THERE'S A JUDICIAL PROCESS THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAVE TO GO THROUGH. UM, BUT UM, BUT A RESIDENT THAT'S NOT CURRENT IN WITHIN THEIR RENT WOULDN'T BE, UM, ABLE TO JUST ASSUME THAT THEY COULD MOVE BACK INTO, UM, A NEW UNIT. UM, I THINK THAT IS AND NOT PAY RENT. AND NOT PAY RENT. THAT'S A BIG ISSUE RIGHT NOW. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. UM, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO, UH, TO CLARIFY THAT I DO THINK THAT, UM, NOT SPEAKING FOR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT UH, HOUSING AUTHORITIES IN GENERAL ARE WORKING WITH RESIDENTS TO TRY TO BECOME CURRENT. UM, AND THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTS THAT WORK WITH DILIGENCE TO TRY TO BECOME, UH, CURRENT. THERE ARE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT ARE JUST BAD ACTORS. UM, AND [01:00:01] I THINK THAT THAT'S A CHALLENGE, UM, IN TRYING TO BALANCE AN OPERATING BUDGET FOR, UH, FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO RAJU, I'M SORRY. I PROMISE I'M JUST DONE. SO, RAJU, HAVE YOU MENTIONED THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. SO HAVE ALL OF THIS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THE RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THAT IN ORDER TO RETURN THAT YOU HAVE TO BE IN GOOD STANDING? LIKE NO ONE WILL BE SURPRISED THINKING THAT THEY CAN COME BACK TO THEIR HOME AND THEN THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED. EVERYONE IS FULLY AWARE AND WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS PROCESS. MM-HMM . THERE IS A JUDICIAL PROCESS THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, IF THEY WERE GONNA TERMINATE, UM, A, UM, A RESIDENCE, UM, OCCUPANCY WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH AND THEY WOULD'VE TO GO THROUGH THAT, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED OR DIDN'T HAPPEN. MM-HMM. RA DO YOU WANNA MENTION NCE BISHOP, PLEASE? I WANTED TO MAKE, UH, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, TO MS. JACKSON'S QUESTION, WE, UH, HAVE MADE THAT VERY CLEAR WITH THE RESIDENTS ABOUT BEING CURRENT IN THEIR RENT. SO THEY WERE QUALIFIED TO COME BACK AND WE HAVE ASSURED THEM THAT WE WILL HELP THEM THROUGH THE OFFICE STAFF AND, UH, AND OTHER MECHANISMS TO BECOME CURRENT. AND STARTING NOW, WE HAVE PUSHED THAT VERY HARD, UM, FROM THE, UH, MANAGEMENT OFFICE AND FROM THE BORDER AND RESOURCES AS WELL. LIKE IF THEY NEED RESOURCES, THE COUNTY WAS ABLE TO OFFER, IF THEY NEED RESOURCES, WE WILL, WE WILL, UH, SEND THEM, UH, ADVISE THEM TO WHERE THEY CAN FIND THE RESOURCES. WE'VE DONE THAT. AWESOME. RAJA, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE AS TO LIKE WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE NOT IN GOOD STANDING PERHAPS? 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND FROM THE MEETINGS THAT IT'S NOT A VERY LARGE NUMBER. I WOULD SAY AROUND THE UNDER 20%, BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY WORKING WITH THEM. LIKE THE CHAIR HAD MENTIONED IT, UH, WE HAVE, WE DO AN OUTREACH TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY REACH OUT TO, I'M GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, LIKE WESTCHESTER RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES, WESTCORP MM-HMM . UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE AGENCIES, CHURCH AGENCIES, AND EVEN WE TRY TO WORK WITH A REPAYMENT PLANTER, YOU KNOW, BUT, UM, THEY ALSO NEED TO DO THEIR PART. SURE, OF COURSE. AND IN TERMS OF WIFI OUT OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER, YOU KNOW, LIKE A A COMMUNITY CENTER, IS THERE GONNA BE A COMMUNITY CENTER OR LIKE EVEN A STUDY AREA OR SOMETHING? OR RECREATION? YEAH, SO THERE ARE AREAS THAT WILL BE, UM, COMMUNAL THOSE AREAS. THERE'S A COMMUNITY ROOM PLAN, THERE'S AN OUTDOOR RECREATION AREA. THERE'LL BE OTHER ELEMENTS OR AMENITIES THROUGH THE PROJECT. FREE WIFI. UH, THEY, THEY HAVE THAT CURRENTLY. CURRENTLY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE WENT YES. AND IT'LL BE WIFI AND SPEAKING. AND SPEAKING OF WIFI, I THINK THE STATE, DOESN'T THE STATE HAVE A PLAN TO UPGRADE WIFI AND TO ALSO CONTINUE THAT FREE? WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YES, IF YOU CAN AVAIL YOURSELVES OF ANY FUNDING THAT COMES FROM THAT OR ANY, UM, MAJOR DISCOUNTING THAT MIGHT BE PART OF IT. I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE FINAL CERTAINLY, YOU'RE CERTAINLY, YEAH. BY, BY, UM, SEEKING FUNDING FROM HCR, YOU ALSO ARE OBLIGATING YOURSELF, UM, TO LIVING BY THEIR RULES. MM-HMM . UM, AND SO THEY HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS. I THINK THE DESIGN STANDARDS WERE REFLECTED IN THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGES OF THE UNITS. UM, THERE ARE FINISHED STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED. UH, THERE ARE ALSO STANDARDS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WIFI, UM, BE PROVIDED AT NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THE RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE CAMPUS. SO WITHIN THEIR UNITS AS WELL AS IN THE COMMON AREAS ABOUT FITNESS CENTER. IF, IF, IF, SORRY, WHAT ABOUT A FITNESS CENTER? LIKE NOW I'M JUST SAYING A GYM WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING YOU, YOU, THIS IS A LARGE COMPLEX, AND THAT WOULD BE A, A NICE, NICE AMENITY. YOU KNOW, MOST CONDOS AND APARTMENTS HAVE, I MEAN, YOU PUT A COUPLE TREADMILLS. THAT'S RIGHT. UH, UH, ELLIPTICAL MACHINE AND INDOOR POOL. UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IS TREATING PEOPLE JUST LIKE, UH, THEY LIKE ANY OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX. THAT'S RIGHT. UM, JUST GOING BACK TO WIFI FOR A SECOND. I, IF I RECALL WHAT THE STATE WAS LOOKING INTO, OR ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS IS THE TRANSMISSION USING OLD, UM, CABLE, UM, TO THE COMPLEX, WHAT IS SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO AND CHANGING THAT OUT SO THAT IT'S MORE BECAUSE IT, IT, IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT FOR OUR NEEDS. SO AGREED. I THINK THAT WAS KIND OF A FUNDING SOURCE, BUT JUST SAYING, SO MY COMMENT REALLY HASN'T CHANGED SINCE TWO YEARS AGO. IF YOU PULL UP YOUR FIRST SLIDE, AND THAT IS THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS MADE A DELIBERATE, UM, DECISION TO NOT EXPAND THE SCATTERED SITE HOUSING. I HAVE WON BY ME. [01:05:01] INSTEAD JUST GUT IT, FIX IT UP, RENEW IT, MAKE IT LOOK NICE, BUT NO INCREASE IN UNITS. BUT IN THE MAR MANHATTAN AVENUE CORRIDOR NEARBY, YOU, YOU WANT TO INCREASE THIS, WHAT, 60, 60% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WE DID. THE SENIOR HOUSING MADE SO MUCH SENSE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER SENIORS GETTING TO IT. UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CLUSTER, WE'RE BASICALLY CLUSTERING MOST OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS TOWN IN ONE PARTICULAR AREA. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. AND IT'S IN ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE CHILDREN IN THE GREENBERG SCHOOL DISTRICT, I THINK IT'S AROUND 25, 20 $7,000 TO EDUCATE EACH CHILD. THE NU THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT ARE PAID FOR ALL THE CHILDREN ON MANHATTAN AVENUE IN THOSE BUILDINGS IS UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND I ASSURE YOU, THERE ARE MORE THAN FOUR CHILDREN GOING TO SCHOOL. YOU'RE NOW GOING TO INCREASE THIS WITH THREE BEDROOMS. I NEVER GOT THE THREE BEDROOM NUMBER, I DON'T THINK, UM, OR I DID 39 TO 58. THERE ARE PROBABLY KIDS INVOLVED IN THAT. THERE'S A COST TO THAT. THERE'S AFFORDABILITY. WE WANT PEOPLE TO LIVE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO FIND A WAY THAT YOU THEN DON'T TAX OUT EVERYONE ELSE AROUND THEM BY CLUSTERING THE WAY THIS IS BEING CLUSTERED. AND THAT WAS MY CONCERN. OBVIOUSLY NEW LOOKS BETTER, BETTER AMENITIES AND SO FORTH. AND I SAID THIS TWO YEARS AGO, I GUESS IT WAS WHENEVER YOU WERE HERE, WAS IT TWO YEARS? REALLY? WOW. TIME GOES FAST. TIME WASN'T HERE. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN. AND THEN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PROBABLY SAY THAT'S THE POOR AREA OF THE TOWN. I DON'T WANT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A, A SEGREGATE, SEGREGATED, UH, TOWN. BUT IN MANY WAYS, WE'RE CAUSING THE SEG SEGREGATION. AND IT'S NOT REALLY US. IT'S THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. AND MAYBE THE LAND IS LESS EXPENSIVE OR AVAILABLE, WHATEVER THE, THE CHOICE IS. BUT I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN EXPANDING THE SCATTERED SITE OUT, UH, AREAS, UM, ABOUT THE SAME AGE, SAME DETERIORATION, BUT THERE THEY WERE REFURBISHED INSTEAD OF A TEAR DOWN AND PUTTING UP WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA CALL THE PROJECTS. AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT TERM EITHER. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN. WELL, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE PROJECTS. SO THIS LOOKS LIKE REALLY NICE QUALITY HOUSING. IT'S AN UPGRADE IN PEOPLE'S QUALITY OF LIFE. UM, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS IT'S NEW, IT'S CLEAN. UM, IT WILL HAVE ALL THE AMENITIES, UH, UH, AND IT'S NOT IN YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S MORE 78 MORE UNITS. UM, AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES. WE TOOK FOR A CLO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MY SCHOOL DISTRICT. I'M IN THE LEY SCHOOL DISTRICT. I SUPPORTED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE HAD A FORECLOSED PROPERTY. IT USED TO BE THE WATER WHEEL, UH, DEVELOPMENT. AND UH, WE CONVERTED IT INTO, WE WORKED WITH THE VILLAGE OF LEY AND WE TURNED IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE WAS ANOTHER FORECLOSED PROPERTY, UM, I THINK IT LIKE A COUPLE BEDROOMS AND, UH, ENSEMBLE RIVER ROAD. IT WAS A HOUSE AND WE GAVE IT TO SHORE. UM, SHELTERING IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RIGHT? THEY CONVERTED THAT. THAT WAS ONE UNIT. ONE UNIT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? EVERY UNIT WATER WHEEL WAS, I THINK 27. YOU KNOW WHAT MY FEELING IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DOABLE AND IT COULD HAPPEN SOON. AND UM, AND THE THING IS, ONCE WE DO THIS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS IS GONNA BE THE END OF OUR, OUR EFFORTS TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE'LL KEEP BUILDING ON IT. YOU KNOW, THE MANHATTAN AVENUE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THAT TOOK LIKE EIGHT YEARS OR A REALLY LONG TIME TO GET APPROVED, AND EVERYBODY LIKES IT NOW. AND EVERYBODY SAYS THIS IS A REAL BIG, YOU KNOW, ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK WE DO THIS AND IT BECOMES A REAL PLUS. UM, THEN IT'S GONNA MAKE IT EASIER. WE'LL BUILD MOMENTUM THAT WILL MAKE IT EASIER TO GET PEOPLE TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE DRONE WAR ROAD HOUSING, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER, UM, AND YOU, YOU SEE THE QUALITY, THE LOOK, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES PEOPLE NOT AFRAID OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE THEY COULD SEE THAT IT COULD BE A PLUS RATHER THAN A MINUS. I JUST HAD, YOU KNOW, ONE OTHER SUGGESTION, UM, YEARS AGO, UM, I VISITED AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITE IN SPRING VALLEY, AND, UM, THEY HAD A VERY INTERESTING PROGRAM, WHICH I THINK COULD WORK OVER HERE. UH, THEY HAD LIKE A HOMEWORK PROGRAM, A CENTER, [01:10:01] AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. UH, AND BASICALLY, UH, THEY HAVE LIKE A COMMUNITY ROOM AND THEN AFTER, AFTER SCHOOL HOURS, THEY HAVE TUTORS, UH, WORKING WITH THE STUDENTS AND THEN LIFTING THEM UP. SO THEN WHEN THE STUDENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO SCHOOL, THEY COULD RISE TO THE TOP OF THE CLASS AND GET, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE OPPORTUNITIES. AND I THINK THAT IF WE COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, BUILD SOMETHING, APPROVE THIS, AND THEN WE COULD TR FIGURE OUT A WAY OF ADDING, UM, BENEFITS FOR, UH, SOME OF THEIR CHILDREN, GIVING THEM OPPORTUNITY, VOCATIONAL HEALTH, UH, SKILLS, GIVING THEM THE TUTORIALS. UH, YOU KNOW, I, I, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT BAD IDEAS, IT'S JUST THAT WE, I DO, I DO WANNA RESPOND THOUGH, IN THE LAWSUIT THAT WAS $9.5 MILLION THEY RAISED AND WE SETTLED FOR $9.5 MILLION. THEY RAISED THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE SEGREGATE, SEGREGATED AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE CLUSTERING THAT'S HAPPENING. AND THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IN EDGEMONT. NO. BUT THERE, THERE WAS. I I, THAT'S MY ONLY, THAT'S MY, I DON'T WANNA PROLONG THIS BECAUSE DON'T WANNA PROLONG THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. I, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT LATER ON, IF THIS DOES COME UP IN A LAWSUIT THAT THIS IS NOT, THERE WAS A DRAW MAR, A DRAW MAR ROAD LAWSUIT, PAUL, AND IT WAS ALL ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO, TWO, CAN I JUST ASK TWO QUESTIONS TOO, GO ALONG WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN SHEEN IS SAYING. DO YOU HAVE A PROJECTION OF PERHAPS HOW MANY, UH, CHILDREN OR STUDENTS WOULD BE IN THE NEW COMPLEX ONCE IT'S REDEVELOPED, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE NUMBER THAT CURRENTLY ARE? THAT'S ONE QUESTION. SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS YET. OKAY. WE ARE WORKING ON THEM, AS RAJU MENTIONED, THEY HAVE ENGAGED A KF AS THEIR PLANNING CONSULTANT AS WELL AS THEIR CIVIL ENGINEER. THEY WILL BE PREPARING THAT AS PART OF THIS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITION OF THE 78 UNITS. RIGHT. UM, SO THAT'S, AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, COULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR MEETING WITH, YOU MENTIONED YOU HAD A MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WHAT, WHAT THAT WAS LIKE? YES. WE MADE A PRESENTATION TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I ALSO WANNA MENTION THAT, UH, THERE IS DATA TO SUPPORT THAT. UM, ENROLLMENT IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FROM 2016 TO 2017 TO TODAY HAS COME DOWN. MM-HMM . UM, DEFINITELY WE SHARED OUR MISSION AND THE VISION AND SITE PLANS TOO. CURRENTLY WE HAVE ALMOST, I THINK SO 36 RESIDENTS WHO ATTEND THE GREENBERG CENTRAL. AND WE DON'T HAVE EXACTLY THE PROJECTION, HOW MANY MORE NEW STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE ENROLLED WHEN THE NEW PROJECT COMES THROUGH. MM-HMM . DEFINITELY, LIKE LATER ON, AS WE PROGRESS, WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION. RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T HAVE IT, BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE 36 RESIDENTS WHO ARE ENROLLED IN THE SCHOOL. THAT'S FROM THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, FROM THE HOUSING. THAT'S NOT COUNTING NINETY, A HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE OAK ONLY THE HOUSING. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MM-HMM . AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS SITE SITE IS UNIQUE. IT'S EIGHT ACRES, AND THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT. UM, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS INTENDED TO BE MIXED INCOME. SO IT'S A RANGE OF INCOMES, UM, AS WE MENTIONED, BETWEEN 30 AND 80%, AND THEN A NUMBER OF UNITS GOING AS HIGH AS 120 TO 130%. UM, SO IT MIGHT NOT BE A MARKET RATE DEVELOPMENT, BUT I THINK THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT RANGE OF INCOMES AND IT'S INTENDED TO BE WORKFORCE HOUSING. MM-HMM . SO OUR CODE ALLOWS NOW HAS SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. SO HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE CODE TO SEE WHAT IS IT THAT BENEFITS THERE ARE TO BEING A HUNDRED PERCENT VERSUS ACCOMMODATING THOSE THAT ARE OVER 80? WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE PROVISIONS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE AFFORDABILITY AND, AND THE, THE PERCENTAGE OF AFFORDABILITY IS PROBABLY LIKE AN 80% A MI. THIS WILL BE, AS I MENTIONED, BETWEEN 30 AND 80 MM-HMM . WITH AN AVERAGE PROBABLY AT 60. UH, AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME UNITS THAT ARE, UH, ABOVE THAT. SO I THINK IF YOU PROBABLY AVERAGE IT ALL TOGETHER, IT MIGHT COME OUT TO THAT. BUT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THE PROVISIONS REQUIRE. BUT ALSO IF YOU'RE LOOKING ABOUT, UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY, OH, THIS IS A LOW INCOME HOUSING. SO BY HAVING WORKFORCE HOUSING WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, HAVE, YOU KNOW, BETTER JOBS THAN IT'S, THEN IT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERNS YOU HAD A FEW MINUTES AGO TALKING ABOUT LIKE SEGREGATED, UH, AREAS. I KNOW WE'RE NOT TARGETING ONE AREA, WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY. UM, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE A MI IN THE CURRENT FACILITY, ROUGHLY? [01:15:03] IT'S A DIF IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT'S A DIFFICULT ONE, BUT I WOULD SAY DON'T GUESS. IF YOU WANNA GET BACK TO US, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET BACK TO US. I CAN BACK. YEAH. I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION. THE, THE MANHATTAN AVENUE, UH, PROJECT TOOK ABOUT EIGHT YEARS. I THINK IF, LET'S ASSUME THE TOWN BOARD WOULD BE VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE OF THIS? IF THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY SAYS, WE REALLY WANT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S LIKE THE BEST, LET'S GO. NO, WHAT, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO ACTUALLY GET A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND UNDER BEST CASE SCENARIO AND ONCE THE SHOVEL'S IN THE GROUND, HOW LONG AFTER THAT? YEAH, SO, UH, I CAN ANSWER THE, I CAN PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT I KNOW. OKAY. UM, THIS IS A BIG PUZZLE AND THERE ARE LOTS OF BALANCING OBJECTIVES. UH, SO THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT BALANCE. UM, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, UM, I'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, IS WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE, UM, OFF-CAMPUS RELOCATION WAS KEPT TO A MINIMUM. AND SO I THINK THAT ED WENT THROUGH THE SCENARIO OF HOW WE COULD DO IT IN TWO SEPARATE PHASES TO ENABLE THAT TO HAPPEN. UM, I THINK THAT IT WOULD, IT'S, UH, THE FIRST PHASE WILL, UM, IT'S ABOUT 80 UNITS, UM, WOULD BE, UH, WE'D ATTEMPT TO SECURE FUNDING FROM HCR. UM, AND THAT FUNDING, UM, IS ALLOCATED IN A COMPETITIVE PROCESS ONCE A YEAR. THE APPLICATION FOR THAT TYPICALLY IS IN THE EARLY FALL. UM, AND IN ORDER TO SUBMIT FOR THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN ORDER TO ENHANCE YOUR IN CHANCE THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET FUNDED. YOU HAVE TO HAVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. SO I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, IF THE GO POINT IS WHEN IS THAT FALL, WHATEVER YEAR THAT MAY BE, UM, THEN YOU START CONSTRUCTION THE FOLLOWING SUMMER. AND THAT PROCESS, THE CONSTRUCTION CYCLE IS ABOUT, UH, A YEAR AND A HALF. SO LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY 18 MONTHS, UM, WHILE THAT CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING, THEN WE ARE SECURING THE FUNDING FROM HFA, THE AFFILIATE ENTITY TO HCR FOR THE SECOND PHASE. UM, THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION CYCLE WILL BE IF YOU TAKE THE YEAR AND A HALF, AND THEN YOU ADD ANOTHER TWO YEARS. SO FOR THE SECOND PHASE, SO THAT IS A THREE AND A HALF TO A FOUR YEAR CONSTRUCTION CYCLE, ONCE YOU HAVE, UH, SECURED AN AWARD. SO IF YOU SEC, IF YOU APPLY IN A FALL, IN THE FALL, YOU START CONSTRUCTION THE FOLLOWING SUMMER. IT'S FOUR YEARS FROM THERE. SO IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLAN, UH, GARRETT, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE OF GETTING SITE PLAN? ASSUMING THE BOARD BASICALLY IS SUPPORTIVE, WARD WAS SUPPORTIVE, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT ZONING MECHANISMS THAT COULD ENABLE THE PROJECT. ONE WOULD BE TO KEEP THE UNDERLYING M 14 DISTRICT WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD NEED, UH, A ONE STORY HEIGHT VARIANCE. THREE STORIES ALLOWED, FOUR STORIES PROPOSED OFF STREET PARKING VARIANCE, UM, UNIT DENSITY VARIANCE, AND PERHAPS ONE OTHER. UM, KEEPING THE UNDERLYING ZONING TOWN BOARD IS LEAD AGENCY SEEKER REFERRAL TO PLANNING BOARD, AND THEN A DECISION BY THE ZONING BOARD. UH, YOU'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT, UM, SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS FOR THAT PROCESS TO UNFOLD. IT'S ASSUMING THEY COULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE FLOODING. I MEAN, NO ONE'S GONNA, WHEN I SAY THE SEEKER PROCESS, UM, LOOKING AT STORMWATER SCHOOL IMPACTS IS ALL INCLUDED IN THAT. YES. BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M SORT OF WONDERING, COULD WE GIVE OURSELVES LIKE A, LIKE A TIMELINE AND THEN JUST START THIS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE SUCH A GREAT ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY, AND IF WE SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, YOU KNOW, IN FEBRUARY AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO DO. FUTURE THING. I DON'T KNOW THAT, CAN YOU DO THAT NOW? COULD WE, RIGHT. COULD WE COME UP WITH LIKE, UH, SORT OF ALMOST LIKE A PROPOSED CALENDAR SCHEDULE OR, OR MAYBE A PROPOSED SCHEDULE. AND THEN YOU COULD SAY, IF THE TOWN BOARD REALLY WANTS THIS, UH, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP YOU COULD DO, THEN WE COULD BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, UH, WE'RE WILLING TO, UH, DO STEP ONE, THEN YOU COULD GIVE US, AFTER WE DO THAT, YOU COULD SAY STEP TWO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY COULD, UH, SHAVE OFF, YOU KNOW, FIVE, SIX YEARS IF WE DO IT THAT WAY. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. , I'M JUST SAYING. YEAH. THEN THEY'RE BUILT TOMORROW. DONE. FALSE EXPECTATIONS. PAUL, YOU GOTTA STOP DOING THOUGH. IT'S, CAN I, MAY I STILL, GARY, WHAT GARRETT, WHAT'S STEP ONE? WHAT'S STEP ONE SAYING, I KNOW, BUT [01:20:01] WE HAVE A TIMELINE AND WE BASICALLY ARE GIVEN, UM, A PROPOSAL AND YOU SAY, UNDER BEST CASE SCENARIO, THIS IS THE FIRST THING WE WANT YOU TO DO. AND THEN WE BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO MONTHS, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS STEP ONE. THEN AFTER WE DO THAT, YOU SAY, OKAY, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO THIS, THIS IS THE NEXT STEP. THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T BE TALKING IN CONCEPTS AND THEN WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD, WE ALWAYS SAY WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THE THING IS, WE CAN'T BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF WE DON'T OWN THE LAND. MM-HMM . SO THE THING IS, WE'RE DEPENDENT ON DEVELOPER, THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO COME TO US AND SAY, WE HAVE A PARCEL OF LAND. SO THERE WAS ONE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, UH, WEST TAB CAME HERE, BUT I THINK THAT FELL THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT APPLICATION THAT WAS ON SOME RIVER ROAD. SO NOW THIS IS THE ONLY, UM, MAJOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE TOWN. AND AGAIN, IF WE DO THIS, AT LEAST WE COULD SAY WE'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD IF WE DO THE ADUS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE GONNA HELP A FEW PEOPLE HERE OR THERE. IF WE DO SOME MIXED USE HOUSING, IT'S GONNA BE A FEW, A FEW APARTMENTS. I THINK YOU, YOU MADE YOUR, YOUR, I THINK YOU MADE YOUR POINT. NO, BECAUSE I, I THINK YOU'VE MADE YOUR POINT. COULD WE, COULD THE BOARD AGREE THAT WE COULD ASK JANET TO TELL US THAT? GIVE US NUMBER, THE FIRST THING THAT LET'S JANET RESPOND FIRST BEFORE WE BOARD AGREES TO ANYTHING. I'M HAPPY TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSED APPROVAL SCHEDULE. I KNOW HOW THE PROCESS WORKS, YOU KNOW, HERE, AND I'M HAPPY TO PUT THAT ON A PIECE OF PAPER. I DO THAT REGULARLY FOR CLIENTS. UH, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT AND SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL. AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO AND STICK TO A SCHEDULE OR TRY IN OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR BEST IN WORKING COLLABORATIVELY TO DO THAT, WE WE CAN DO THAT. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON'S QUESTION REGARDING NOTIFICATION TO THE, UM, TO THE RESIDENTS. YOU HAD STATED THAT APPROXIMATELY 60% HAVE RESPONDED, UM, TO, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT THIS CHANGE. AND YOU ALSO STATED THAT 20% ARE ALSO, UM, I GUESS YOU CAN SAY OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR RENT. HOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE 60, UM, WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE OTHER 40% THAT WERE NOT NOTIFIED? ARE YOU ENGAGING, DO YOU LETTERS DOOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT NOTIFICATION DID YOU GET TO THE 40% THAT DID NOT COME TO A COMMUNITY MEETING PERCENT? RIGHT. WE HAD INFORMED ALL THE RESIDENTS ABOUT THE MEETINGS. WE HAVE REACHED OUT, I THINK SO ON MORE THAN TWO OCCASIONS. UM, IN WHAT, IN WHAT METHOD? DO YOU SAY WHAT? I THINK IT'S FLYERS. OKAY. FLYERS HAVE BEEN SENT OUT TO EVERY RESIDENT, EVERY HOUSEHOLD THERE. UM, AND THAT WE HAD TWO, TWO RESIDENTS MEETING. ONE WAS, I THINK, SO IT WAS IN JULY OF 2025. AND THEN WE HAD IT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT JULY WAS A HOLIDAY MONTH. WE'LL HAVE IT ONE MORE AFTER THE SCHOOLS HAD OPENED UP. SO IT WAS IN JULY. AND IN SEPTEMBER WE REACHED OUT TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD INFORMING THEM ABOUT THE RESIDENCE MEETING. I DON'T EXACTLY HAVE AN IDEA OUT OF THE 60, HOW MANY OF THEM WERE DEFAULTERS? I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT THE 40 PERSON, WE CAN HAVE MORE MEETINGS WITH THEM, WE CAN REALLY REACH OUT. BUT SOMETIMES YOU CAN DO YOUR BEST, BUT THEY STILL DON'T TURN UP. AND WE COULD ALSO POST, UH, A LINK TO THIS MEETING ON THE TALENT WEBSITE, ON SOCIAL MEDIA. PICK UP BISHOP PRESTON RESIDENT. SAY SOMETHING BISHOP, UH, I JUST WANTED, EXCUSE ME. I'M, I'M SORRY. . I JUST WANTED . SORRY. THAT'S A GOOD THING. YOU KNOW EACH OTHER WELL, , I JUST WANT TO ADD TO MR. ABRAHAM'S, UH, ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. UM, THERE, WE, WE HAD MEETINGS AT TWO DIFFERENT TIMES TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE SCHEDULES. PLUS WE HAD SOME OF THE RESIDENTS THAT I KNOW PERSONALLY WENT AND KNOCKED ON DOORS AND SAID, COME OUT TO THE MEETING. SO WE MADE GALA EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNEW THAT THEY WERE INVITED TO THE MEETINGS, UM, BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO GET EVERYONE TO COME. AND SO WE, WE MADE ALL, MADE OUR EFFORTS AND IF NECESSARY, WE HAVE MORE MEETINGS. ARE THEY ONLY IN PERSON MEETINGS OR DO YOU HAVE A HYBRID? CAN YOU HAVE A HYBRID KIND OF SET UP TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE FROM THE COMFORT OF YOUR HOMES? WE DO. WE COULD, WE COULD DO THAT. UM, WE, UH, WE PERSONALLY AS THE CHAIR AND AS MOST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, WE PREFER TO SEE THEM IN PERSON BECAUSE IT, IT IS NOT, THE CONTINUITY IS MUCH SURE. IN PERSON. AND THEN HAVE THEY ALL RECEIVED LIKE A DETAILED LETTER ABOUT THE PLANS AND YES. TOOK MY QUESTION. YEAH, I HAVE. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD THE TWO SESSIONS, WAS THIS SOMETHING, THIS IS WHAT YOU MISSED? MM-HMM [01:25:01] . YEAH. THIS AND BULLET POINTS WE SENT OUT, WE SENT OUT LIKE THE, THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT SLIP IT ON THE FLOOR AS IT WERE. YEAH. MINUTES. AND PLUS WE SENT OUT INFORMATION THAT'S, THAT THAT FIVE FIVE BEDROOM WILL BE ELIMINATED BECAUSE OF THE, UH, CHANGE IN DEMOGRAPHICS. THE IZING OF HOUSING NOW FANTASIZING IS, IS DECREASING. ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS WE TRY TO COMMUNICATE MM-HMM . TO THEM. AND, AND WE'VE HAD, UH, IT'S BEEN A BLESSING TO HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS TO EVEN ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME OUT, BUT FEEL, AND ALSO I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF PRACTICABLE QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE QUICK BECAUSE IT'S GETTING, IT'S GETTING LATE. UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT RELOCATIONS, EVEN IF IT'S 15 FAM FAMILIES OR OVER THE COURSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, BECAUSE IT'S HARD. THERE'S, THERE'S SO LITTLE, SO, YOU KNOW, SO LITTLE AVAILABLE FOR RELOCATION, EVEN IF IT'S TEMPORARY. SO IT IS A CONCERN I HAVE. AND, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S LOCKED DOWN. AND THEN THE OTHERS, UM, I, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR HEATING PLANT BE AT THE END OF THE PROCESS RATHER THAN AT THE BEGINNING. AND HOW ARE YOU HEATING THOSE UNITS UNTIL YOU REPLACE THE HEATING PLANT? SURE. SO RIGHT NOW, UM, THE DEVELOPMENT IS HEATED THROUGH CENTRAL HEATING. RIGHT. UM, AND THAT'S, AND SO WE NEED TO KEEP THAT HEATING PLANT ALIVE AND WORKING UNTIL ALL OF THE UNITS, THE EXISTING UNITS HAVE BEEN TAKEN OFFLINE. RIGHT. THE NEW UNITS COMING ONLINE ARE NOT GONNA BE HEATED BY A CENTRAL PLANT. THEY'RE GONNA BE INDIVIDUAL. THE BENEFIT IS, IS THAT IF A UNIT GOES DOWN, IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T TAKE OFFLINE THE CENTRAL PLANT UNTIL, WELL, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT I WAS, BECAUSE IT WASN'T CLEAR HOW YOU WERE HEATING THE NEW UNITS. SO NOW THAT CLARIFIES THANK YOU SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE THERE RIGHT NOW. YEAH. , I REMEMBER THAT. IT'S ALL UNDERGROUND. IT'S ALL FAILING. IT'S PROBABLY REVOLUTIONARY AT THE TIME. IT WAS CONSTRUCTIVE. I SURE WAS. YES. REVOLUTIONARY WAR YEARS AGO, AGAIN, ONE OF THE UNITS, ONE OF THE UNITS WAS DOWN AND, UM, AND THE PIPES ARE ON THE GROUND GOING FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING. YEAH. I MEAN, THE HEAT LOSS MUST BE SIGNIFICANT. I HAVE LIKE RESIDENTS WHO ARE NEAR THE HEATING PLAN, WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF HEAT COMES OUT AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF THE LOOP, IT DOESN'T MAKE IT, IT'S COLD. YEAH. AND THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN CONTROL IT. AND YOUR HOT WATER IS THE SAME, ISN'T IT? HOT WATER IS THE SAME AND THE BOARD KNOWS IT. YEAH. WE WERE THERE. WE WERE THERE. WE WERE THERE. . YES. LAST QUESTION. UM, YOU HAD SAID SOCIAL, UM, COMMON AREAS. UM, WILL OTR PARK BE REFURBISHED OR WILL IT BE ELIMINATED? PARK PARK IS NOT PART OF THE PROPERTY. NOT PART OF COPY THAT. WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING, WE ARE, WE ARE REALLY RUNNING LATE AND WE HAVE A LOT MORE ON OUR AGENDA. THIS IS QUESTION, IS THERE ANY FEDERAL MONEY OR APPROVALS NEEDED? THERE ARE NO, IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED. THERE'LL BE ANY FEDERAL MONEY THAT GO INTO THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ANTICIPATED. IT'LL BE, UH, A STATE, A STATE AND UH, AND TAX CREDIT EQUITY THAT WILL GO INTO, I THINK, YOU KNOW WHY I'M ASKING? MM-HMM . OKAY. YEAH. 'CAUSE THAT'S A CONCERN WE KNOW. YEAH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL PUT A SCHEDULE TOGETHER, UM, BASED ON GARRETT'S UM, ALRIGHT. PROCESS. I GUESS I CAN'T GO TO THE BATHROOM. DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO A PROPOSED SCHEDULE? THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US A PROPOSED SCHEDULE BECAUSE EVERY DEVELOPER, IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS, BUT IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING IT. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE SUPPORT YOU TELLING US US THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS. YEAH. YES. WHY WOULD WE INJECT? THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EVERYONE GOOD TO EVERYONE. I LIKE YOUR PIN. IT'S VERY INTERESTING. LIFT TELEPHONE. I LIKE THAT. YES, IT'S COOL. SPEAKING OF ROTARY PHONES, RIGHT? . ALRIGHT. OKAY. DO YOU WANT WE GOTTA GO. YEAH. SEVEN 12, TURN AROUND. TAKE A BREAK. OKAY. TWO MINUTE BREAK. A MINUTE BREAK. TWO MINUTE BREAK ITEM. DO WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN? I HAD GOTTEN AN EMAIL FROM, UM, PEOPLE COMING IN, UH, PROPERTY OWNER. UH, THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, BUILDING PERMIT, UH, DELAYS ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BUNCH OF, UH, BUILDINGS THAT, UM, STORES THAT HAVE SAID COMING SOON. UM, AND IT'S BEEN UP, THE SIGNS HAVE BEEN UP THERE WITH NO ACTIVITY FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS. AND I JUST WANTED TO, UH, ASK, UH, YOU KNOW, LIZ, UH, TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON, [01:30:01] UH, ON THOSE BUILDING PERMIT DELAYS. I, I THINK IT WAS THE OWNER THAT MY RECOLLECTION THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINED. OKAY. UM, GOOD EVENING, MS. YARD. I AM THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR FOR THE TOWN. UM, BEFORE I BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THE AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS TITLED ALLEGED BUILDING PERMIT DELAYS. IT DOES NOT ACCURATELY DESCRIBE THE ISSUE AT HAND HERE. WHILE I AM HERE TO ADDRESS THOSE ALLEGATIONS. THE MORE ACCURATE FRAMING IS THE IMPACT OF UNVERIFIED PUBLIC STATEMENTS ON STAFF MORALE, PUBLIC CONFIDENCE, AND THE TOWN'S OBLIGATION TO ADMINISTER THE PERMITTING PROCESS FAIRLY CONSISTENTLY AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW. MY PURPOSE TONIGHT IS TO PRESENT THE FACTS AND CORRECT THE PUBLIC RECORD. THIS ITEM AROSE FOLLOWING THE SUPERVISOR'S RESPONSE TO EMAILS FROM A SINGLE PROPERTY MANAGER AND A RESIDENT ALLEGING DELAYS IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THOSE ALLEGATIONS WERE ADVANCED PUBLICLY AND PLACED ON THIS AGENDA WITHOUT FIRST REVIEWING PERMIT RECORDS OR CONSULTING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AS A RESULT, THE IMPRESSION WAS CREATED THAT THE ALLEGATIONS WERE ACCEPTED AS VALID, AND THAT TOWN STAFF WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR UNNECESSARY DELAYS. AN IMPRESSION THAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE FACTS. TURNING TO THE FACTS, THE PROPERTY CITED ON EAST DALE AVENUE AND CENTRAL AVENUE WERE REVIEWED AND PROCESSED WITHIN THE STATUTORY 30 DAY PERMIT REVIEW PERIOD, SEVERAL SUBSTANTIALLY FASTER. NONE EXPERIENCED, DELAYED ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN PERMIT REVIEW AND OVERALL PROJECT TIMELINES. MANY PROJECTS REQUIRE BOARD OR COMMITTEE APPROVALS BEFORE BUILDING PERMIT CAN EVEN BE SUBMITTED. THOSE REVIEWS INVOLVE PUBLIC NOTICE HEARINGS, FORMAL APPROVALS, AND ARE ALL REQUIRED BY TOWN CODE. ONCE A PERMIT IS ISSUED, RESPONSIBILITY FOR MOVING THE PROJECT FORWARD LARGELY RESTS WITH THE APPLICANT. THIS INCLUDES COORDINATING CONTRACTORS, SCHEDULING INSPECTIONS, OBTAINING OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVAL, SUCH AS BOARD OF HEALTH, FILING TRADE PERMITS, AND SECURING ANY REMAINING COMMITTEE APPROVALS. THESE STEPS ARE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S CONTROL. THE DEPARTMENT CANNOT INSPECT WORK THAT HAS NOT BEEN SCHEDULED OR ISSUED. CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY WHEN REQUIRED APPROVALS REMAIN OUTSTANDING. IN SHORT, THERE WERE NO DELAYS CAUSED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. WHEN VERIFIABLE FACTS ARE OVERLOOKED AND UNVERIFIED CLAIMS ARE MADE PUBLICLY, THE CONSEQUENCES FALL DIRECTLY ON TOWN STAFF WHO HAVE PERFORMED THEIR DUTIES CORRECTLY AND LAWFULLY ACCURATE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION IS THEREFORE NOT OPTIONAL. IT'S ESSENTIAL. AND I'M SORRY I'M READING, BUT I WAS VERY TAKEN BACK AT THIS EMAIL. THIS INCIDENT IS NOT ISOLATED. PAST PUBLIC MESSAGES HAS CHARACTERIZED LAWFUL CODE ENFORCEMENT AS RED TAPE, OR SUGGESTED THAT COMPLIANCE WITH STATE AND TOWN LAW DISCOURAGES BUSINESS ACTIVITY REGARDLESS OF INTENT. MESSAGING OF THIS NATURE REINFORCES A NARRATIVE THAT TOWN STAFF OR OBSTACLES, RATHER THAN PROFESSIONALS CARRYING OUT LEGAL OBLIGATIONS. THAT NARRATIVE UNDERMINES PUBLIC CONFIDENCE AND DAMAGES STAFF MORALE, TOWN EMPLOYEES WORK DILIGENTLY AND PROFESSIONALLY, OFTEN UNDER SIGNIFICANT WORKLOADS WHEN THEIR WORK IS MISCHARACTERIZED PUBLICLY, IT ERODES TRUST IN PLACE STAFF IN AN UNTENABLE POSITION BETWEEN THEIR LEGAL DUTIES AND PUBLIC EXPECTATIONS. THERE IS NO RED TAPE. THERE ARE LOST CODES AND SAFETY REQUIREMENTS THAT TOWN STAFF ARE LEGALLY OBLIGATED BY STATUTE AND BY OATH TO ENFORCE IMPARTIALLY AND WITHOUT EXCEPTION, THE BUILDING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS SHARE THE SAME MISSION TO SUPPORT RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES FACILITATE RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT AND MOVE PROJECTS FORWARD AS EFFICIENTLY AS THE LAW ALLOWS. WHAT WE CANNOT DO IS WAIVE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS SELECTIVELY ENFORCE THE CODE OR ADVANCE INCOMPLETE OR NON-COMPLIANT APPLICATIONS. DOING SO WOULD VIOLATE STATE LAW EXPOSED TO TOWN TO LIABILITY AND COMPROMISE PUBLIC SAFETY. LASTLY, I WANNA ADDRESS A CLAIM THAT KEY FOODS SUPERMARKET RECEIVED EXPEDITED TREATMENT OR A WAIVE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. THAT CLAIM IS INCORRECT AT A REQUEST MADE BY THE TOWN SUPERVISOR TO EXPEDITE THIS REVIEW. BUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DID NOT ACT ON IT BECAUSE EXPEDITING REVIEW OUTSIDE OF THE STATUTORY FRAMEWORK IS NOT PERMITTED. A GROCERY STORE IS A PERMITTED PRINCIPAL USE IN THE HC DISTRICT. SO NO SPECIALTY PERMIT IS REQUIRED AND NONE COULD HAVE BEEN WAIVED. THE APPLICANT HAS RECEIVED AN INTERIOR ONLY DEMOLITION PERMIT. THE TENANT FIT OUT REMAINS UNDER REVIEW AND IS SUBJECT TO THE SAME STATUTORY PROCESS AND TIMELINES AS ANY OTHER APPLICATION. ANY SIGNAGE OR EXTERIOR MODIFICATION MUST ALSO BE REVIEWED BY THE HARD SALE CONTEXTUAL REVIEW. REVIEW COMMITTEE BEFORE ASSIGNED PERMIT MAY BE ISSUED. [01:35:01] IN CLOSING, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REMAINS COMMITTED TO TREATING EVERY APPLICANT FAIRLY, ENFORCING THE CODE, CONSISTENTLY PROTECTING PUBLIC SAFETY, AND HELPING RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS AS EFFICIENTLY AS THE LAW ALLOWS. ACCURATE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION IS ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAINING STAFF MORALE, PRESERVING PUBLIC TRUST, AND PROTECTING THE INTEGRITY OF THE TOWN'S PERMITTING AND APPROVAL PROCESS SO THAT TOWN STAFF CAN CONTINUE TO CARRY OUT THEIR DUTIES LAWFULLY CONSISTENTLY AND IMPARTIALLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE, UH, THE KEY FOOD ACTUALLY APPLY FOR THE SIGN. UH, THE HU THEY DID NOT APPLY FOR THE, FOR THE HARSDALE CONTEXTUAL REVIEW COMMITTEE? NOT YET. OKAY. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLAINING THAT. AND I JUST WANNA ASK A QUESTION. WOULD YOU SAY THAT, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE THREE, UM, POTENTIAL NEW BUSINESSES ON EACH HARTSDALE AVENUE, AND THERE ARE WHY THAT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE THE, BUT THAT NECESSARILY IS NOT A CAUSE OF THE STAFF. IT'S THEY HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL REASONS. RIGHT. WHAT MIGHT SOME OF THOSE REASONS BE FOR DELAY IN A BUSINESS OPENING THAT'S NOT, SO THE THREE THAT, UM, WHAT ARE THE PROPERTY MANAGERS HAD MENTIONED? MM-HMM . ONE HAS NOT CALLED FOR ANY INSPECTIONS. OKAY. THE, UH, THE SAME ONE DID NOT APPEAR BEFORE THE HEART SALE CONTEXTUAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. OKAY. UM, THEY HAVE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHICH THE SIGNED CONTRACTOR COULD NOT PROVIDE. THEY'VE BEEN TABLED BECAUSE THE APPLICANT TWICE HAS NOT APPEARED. OKAY. UH, MR. SUPERVISOR, ARE YOU LISTENING TO THIS? I'M LISTENING. I'M JUST, OKAY. THIS IS VERY GOOD CLARIFICATION. SO THE HAR HAR YEAH. I'LL GIVE YOU THE THREE. THE, THE PET STORE THAT'S READY TO, THEY, THEY'RE SCHEDULING THEIR FINAL INSPECTION. THEY APPEARED BEFORE THE COMMITTEE, THEY GOT APPROVAL. MM-HMM. THEY GOT THEIR SIGNED PERMIT THE SAME DAY. UM, AND THEY'RE JUST HAVE TO CALL FOR CO INSPECTION. THE MECADO SUSHI IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. MM-HMM . GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, MR. SUPERVISOR, ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS IN WHEN I'VE HEARD, UM, FROM CONSTITUENTS DIRECTLY, UM, I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, I'VE SPOKEN TO LIZ, AND SHE'S CLARIFIED THINGS FOR ME. SHE'S, AND, AND THEN WHEN SHE'S GONE THROUGH THE TIMELINE, SHE HAS EXPEDITED THINGS BE BEYOND, UM, IN, IN MU MUCH SOONER THAN THE NOTIFICATION PERIOD, UH, PERMITS. SO I, I'M REALLY QUITE SURPRISED. I, BECAUSE I ASSUME THAT THAT WAS PRETTY STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. WHY YOU WOULD THINK THAT, THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT UNDER FRANK MODO AND LIZ GARRITY HAVE NOT BEEN PERFORMING THAT I, YOU KNOW, I FIND THAT VERY DISTURBING. OKAY. WELL, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT MY EXPERIENCE. OKAY. WELL, ALL I WAS ASKING WAS FOR ANSWERS. I GOT AN EMAIL FROM A CONSTITUENT. IT SAID, HAP DEAR MR. FINER, HAPPY NEW YEAR. I HOPE THIS MESSAGE FINDS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY WELL, I'M WRITING TO YOU TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION ONGOING AND UNNECESSARY MUNICIPAL PERMITTING DELAYS AFFECTING SEVERAL OF MY NEW TENANTS ALONG THESE DALE AVENUE CORRIDOR. SPECIFICALLY 180 1 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, HARTSBURG DEHI, 1 99 EAST HARTSDALE PEP SUPPLY STORE TWO 14 EAST HARTSDALE MECADO SUSHI. THESE SMALL BUSINESSES HAVE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT DELAYS IN THEIR PERMIT APPROVAL PROCESS DUE TO REPEATED. BUT DID YOU, LEMME FINISH. YES. PROLONG REVIEWS BY MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. NOTABLY, THESE BUSINESSES ARE SUBSTANTIAL SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE PRIOR USES THAT PREVIOUSLY OCCUPIED THESE SPACES. DESPITE THIS, THE APPROVAL PROCESS HAS STRETCHED DOWN FOR MANY MONTHS, CAUSING SEVERE, UH, FINANCIAL HARDSHIPS, UH, FOR THE TENANTS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND NEIGHBORING SMALL BUSINESSES IN THE AREA SEE ATTACHED, UH, TIMELINE SCHEDULE. IN CONTRAST, THE FORMER RITE AID SPACE NOW BEING CONVERTED TO A KEY FOOD SUPERMARKET WAS GRANTED AN EXPEDITED APPROVAL, WHICH WAS A, THEY'RE NOT WITH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIREMENT. EFFECTIVELY WAIVED. UH, THIS DISPARITY CREATES THE APPEARANCE OF UNEQUAL TREATMENT THAT FAVORS LARGE CORPORATION OPERATORS OVER LOCAL, SMALL FAMILY OWNED BUSINESSES. AT THIS TIME, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT TO REVIEW THIS MATTER AND HELP IDENTIFY WHY THESE DELAYS ARE OCCURRING. PROLONGED COMMERCIAL VACANCIES REFLECT POORLY ON THE TOWN'S PERMITTING EFFICIENCY AND NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE ECONOMIC VITALITY OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. I STRONGLY URGE THE TOWN TO ASSIST THESE SMALL BUSINESSES BY EXPEDITING THEIR REMAINING PERMIT AND APPROVAL PROCESSES WITHOUT FURTHER UNNECESSARY DELAY DOING SO WITH DEMONSTRATE A COMMITMENT TO SUPPORTING, UH, LOCAL ENTREPRENEURS AND FOSTERING A MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT ALONG EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE CORRIDOR. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR TIME, ATTENTION, AND THE ANTICIPATED COOPERATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR ASSISTANCE IN RESOLVING THIS MATTER PROMPTLY. NOW, I BASE, [01:40:01] AND THAT WAS SIGNED BY, UM, THE HEAD OF, UM, HARTSDALE VILLAGE SQUARE LLC BUILDING MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATION. AND YOUR RESPONSE WAS, BUT THAT WAS VERY NO, BUT WHAT WAS PAUL PAUL, WHAT WAS YOUR RESPONSE TO HIM? I JUST ASKED, I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT WAS YOUR RESPONSE TO HIM? I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO A FIGHT. I BASICALLY, SO LET ME, I SAID, OKAY, SO CAN SOMEBODY READ, CAN SOMEBODY READ THE SUPERVISOR'S RESPONSE TO THAT AFTER HE DID, AFTER HE DID HIS RESEARCH? LET ME FINISH MY COMMENTS AND THEN YOU COULD SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. SO BASICALLY, UM, I THEN SAID THE TA UH, YOU KNOW, I SENT IT TO LIZ, UH, AND I'VE BEEN EMAILING, YOU KNOW, LIZ FOR A NUMBER AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ASKING, I SAID, COULD YOU GIMME AN UPDATE ON, UH, THESE, UM, THESE BUSINESSES? BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN SIGNS ON THE, ON THE STORE WINDOWS FOR MONTHS SAYING, COMING SOON, AND NOBODY HAS SEEN ANY ACTIVITY FOR, FOR, FOR OVER SIX MONTHS, SEVEN MONTHS. SO PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO ME, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS TOWN? YOU KNOW, I'M EXCITED. I WANTED TO SEE THIS BUSINESS, I WANTED TO SEE THAT BUSINESS. I WANT TO SEE THAT BUSINESS. IT'S NOT HAPPENING. SO DID YOU EXPLAIN, DID YOU NO, JUST, JUST QUICK QUESTION AND THEN YOU CAN RE SO DID YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS THAT IT TAKES IN ORDER TO I'M NOT IN ORDER TO GET THE APPROVALS AND THAT'S WHY MAYBE, MAYBE THE PROCESS TAKES LONGER THAN SIX MONTHS BECAUSE MAYBE JUST AS THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, I'M NOT ASKING JUST THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR JUST, JUST, UM, REPORTED THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THERE HAVE TO TAKE AND EVERYBODY'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PROCESS. I'M NOT ASKING ANYBODY TO BEND THE RULES OR BASICALLY, LEMME SAY, ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED AS A LANDLORD. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED MY ASK MY, JUST, CAN YOU JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION? DID YOU EXPLAIN THE PROCESS TO THOSE WHO INQUIRE ABOUT THE DELAY OR, OR THE STATUS OF THESE, OF THESE OPENINGS? WHAT I WOULD'VE LIKED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO DO? THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED. LEMME SAY, LEMME SAY SOMETHING. ALL I'M ASKING ANSWER IS NO. WELL, NO, ALL I'M ASKING THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO DO IS SPEAK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND SAY, THESE ARE THE STEPS. WE'LL MEET WITH YOU. THESE ARE THE STEPS. AND HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU MET WITH THEM? LIZ? THEY'VE NEVER REACHED OUT TO US. OKAY. WAIT, WAIT, PAUL, YOU, YOU'RE MIXING APPLES AND ORANGES HERE. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, YOU ARE SAYING THAT A CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE IS EQUIVALENT TO A BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS. NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. NO, PAUL, YOU DIDN'T WANT ME TO INTERRUPT AND YOU ARE RIGHT. SO LET HER SPEAK. SO WHAT, WHAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING DELAYS IS APPLICANT DRIVEN, IT IS NOT BUILDING DEPARTMENT DRIVEN. SO I WAS VERY TAKEN BACK THAT YOU WOULD JUST TAKE THAT EMAIL AND THAT'S WHAT IS THE CRUX OF ME BEING HERE TONIGHT, IS THAT YOU TOOK THAT EMAIL, TOOK IT AS TRUE, SENT IT OUT PUBLICLY. I DIDN'T SEND IT OUT PUBLICLY. YES, YOU DID. YOU SENT IT TO OUTSIDE PEOPLE THAT'S SENDING IT OUT PUBLICLY. NO, I SENT IT TO ONE PERSON WHO'S BEEN, YOU SENT IT TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE, TO PEOPLE ON MY E UH, THE CHAIN HAVE BEEN INVOLVED, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THAT, THAT'S PUBLICLY BUT THAT IS PUBLICLY, PAUL, AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE. PAUL, I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH YOU. WELL, YOU, YOU'RE NOT, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE NOT BASICALLY THIS DEPARTMENT, YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP REVIT US REVITALIZE THE DEPARTMENT AND SHOW US THAT. SHOW US THAT THEY DID NOT DO THAT. PLEASE SHOW US. I PAUL, THE PERMITS WERE ISSUED WITHIN 30 DAYS. THERE WAS NO SIX MONTH DELAY. OKAY. WHAT THEY TELL THEM WHAT THEY'RE DOING WRONG, THAT'S THEIR CONTRACTOR. I CAN'T GO OUT AND BUILD THINGS FOR THEM. WELL, OKAY, WELL, I'M GONNA SEND, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB, PAUL. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA SEND THE, I'M GONNA SEND THE PROPERTY, UH, MANAGER, UH, THE PERSON WHO, UH, A LINK TO THIS DISCUSSION. AND I'M GONNA SAY THAT THEY SHOULD, UH, THEY SHOULD, UH, UH, REVIEW WIKI SAID, AND, UM, AND HA AND SEEK A MEETING WITH YOU AND THEN, AND THEN COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS ASKING, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE, UH, THE APPLICATION FORWARD. UH, UH, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'D BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU AND I'D BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH THEM. THERE'S NOT, AND, AND, AND, AND SEE IF WE COULD THIS, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BEFORE ACCUSING THE, THE STAFF. I'M, I'M NOT, I'M, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL BEFORE ACCUSING STAFF. I'M NOT ACCUSING THAT YOU DO THE RESEARCH TO DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY IS A DELAY AND UNDERSTAND. SO WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CONSTITUENT, YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO THEM EXACTLY WHAT THE DELAY WAS. SO I'M GONNA GO BACK TO MY QUESTION. DID YOU EXPLAIN TO THE CONSTITUENT WHO REACHED OUT TO YOU OR TO THE WHOEVER'S, UM, THE REQUESTER? DID YOU EXPLAIN TO THEM THE PROCESS? LEMME SAY I, THAT'S NOT, I JUST WANNA, THAT'S A YES OR NO. PAUL, PLEASE. I EMAILED LIZ. AND IF LIZ COULD BE, IF LIZ WOULD EMAIL THEM AND SAY, NO, BUT I I HIM TO TELL THESE THINGS YOU NEED TO DO, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY. BUT WHY WOULD, BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT, AND SO, SO RIGHT NOW, PAUL, ALL OF THESE APPLICANTS ARE CURRENTLY PENDING BEFORE THE HCRC. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED TO, TO DO. SO COULD, SO LET ME, I'M GONNA, DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSA? WHEN YOU GOT THE EMAIL, DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH LIZ ABOUT THE CONTENTS OF THE EMAIL? I REACHED OUT. I I SENT YOU, UH, YOU HOW SORRY, IS IT TO WALK TO HER OFFICE? OKAY, WELL INSTEAD OF POINTING FINGERS AT ME, WELL, YOU'RE POINTING NOW FINGERS. SO LET'S, OKAY, TO [01:45:01] START, EVERYBODY, WE'RE GONNA, LET'S COME BACK. I HAVEN'T SPOKEN. LET'S COME BACK. WAIT, WAIT, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN. GO AHEAD. THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION AS TO DID YOU, WHAT DID YOU DO WHEN YOU GOT THAT EMAIL? I SENT IT TO LIZ, IS YOU SENT AN EMAIL TO US AND TO THE PERSON WHO WAS AT ONE OF THEM SAID, WE SHOULD DIVERT A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSSING THESE DELAYS. YOU'RE ACCEPTING THAT THERE ARE DELAYS AND THAT THE IMPACT IT'S HAVING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVE, PAUL FINER, THAT'S THE EXTENT OF YOUR RESPONSE TO SOMEBODY DETAILING WHAT THEY BELIEVE TO BE DELAYS OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO BY BELIEVING, BY, BY GIVING CREDENCE TO WHAT A CONSTITUENT WHO MAY HAVE VALID OR MAY NOT HAVE VALID CONCERNS OVER CONNECTING WITH ONE OF YOUR VERY VALUED STAFF. PAUL, ARE YOU LISTENING? YEAH, I'M LISTENING. WHAT OF YOUR VERY VALUED AND AND COMPETENT STAFF, SENIOR STAFF MEMBERS, AND GOING AND HAVING A CONVERSATION TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. AND, AND, AND SHE VERY CLEARLY EXPLAINED WHAT IT WAS AND WHERE, WHAT THE STATUS OF EACH OF THESE PROJECTS IS. AND THEN YOU COULD HAVE GONE BACK. PAUL, CAN YOU LOOK, I'M LISTENING. OKAY. NO, PLEASE STOP. NO INSULTING. I DON'T, I DON'T TYPE, I DON'T TYPE WHEN SOMEONE'S SPEAKING TO ME. NO, YOU COME LISTEN, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT MY NOTES. OKAY, FINE. SO THE POINT IS THAT YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION, YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION, THEN YOU GO BACK TO THE CONSTITUENT. YOU DON'T THROW THE, THE, I'M NOT THE STAFF PUT IT ON A PUBLIC SESSION. BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. AND THAT'S THE CONCERN. WHAT IS THIS? YOU'RE VERY, YOU'RE VERY CONCERNED. YOU'RE VERY CONCERNED WITH MAKING CONSTITUENTS HAPPY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE E EXPERTISE OF OUR, OUR STAFF. AND YOU CAN WORK TOGETHER TO GIVE THEM ACTUAL FACTUAL ANSWERS RATHER THAN SAYING, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE'RE GONNA DO THAT. WELL, THERE'S A VERY, VERY LOGICAL, VALID EXPLANATION FOR ALL THESE THINGS. OKAY. SO LET ME, LET ME SAY SOMETHING. OKAY. I HAVE BEEN, YOU OUTLINED THE PROCESS FOR MANY MONTHS. I'VE BEEN VERY COMMIT, CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE. AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT AS WE ALL, AS, AS, AS WE ALL ARE, AS WE, AS WE ALL ARE. AND BASICALLY I WAS REALLY EXCITED WHEN I SAW, UH, THESE, UH, UH, SIGNS ON THE ON OKAY STOREFRONT SAYING EAST DALE AVENUE IS COMING ALIVE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CONTACT ME ON A REGULAR BASIS SAYING, WHEN IS A SUPERMARKET OPENING? UH, AND YOU EXPLAINED THE PROCESS TO THEM. WHY ARE THESE OTHER STORES OPENING? SO PEOPLE ARE EXCITED. SO EVERY, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR THESE SIGNS HAVE BEEN UP ON EAST DALE AVENUE FOR MAYBE ALMOST A YEAR, SIX MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS, A YEAR, I'M NOT SURE. AND THEN SO WHEN YOU SPOKE WITH THE, WHEN YOU SPOKE WITH THE DEPARTMENT, THEY EXPLAINED TO YOU THE PROCESS AND THE DELAY. CORRECT. SO I'VE, I'VE ASKED, YOU KNOW, LIZ, IN THE PAST, I SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING? UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN, UH, ADEQUATE, YOU KNOW, ANSWERS. NOW YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU BASICALLY GAVE ME, UH, OR EVEN ON THIS THING, IF YOU SAID, LISTEN, IT'S BEFORE THIS BOARD, ONCE IT'S BEFORE THIS BOARD, YOU COULD HAVE DONE A SIMPLE RESPONSE TO ME SAYING, THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN, UH, THE APPROVAL. THEN I WOULD'VE REACHED OUT TO THE LANDLORD AS I, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST FOR A SIGNED PERMIT, PAUL. SO EVERYTHING ELSE, WOULD THEY ALREADY HAVE PERMITS? EVERYBODY THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED HAS PERMITS. THEY'RE NOT BEFORE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OKAY. ANYMORE. OKAY. SO THEN, BUT RIGHT, BUT, BUT THE THING IS, I WANNA KNOW, BASICALLY, I DON'T, THE ONLY STEPS THAT I DON'T, WE DON'T DO CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. WELL, ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS BASICALLY I WANNA BE ABLE TO SAY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, THIS IS THE THINGS THAT ARE HOLDING YOU UP RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU ARE ASKING THE WRONG PERSON. YOU COULD TELL ME I'M ANSWER ASKING THE WRONG. BUT YOU SHOULD ASK BEFORE YOU RESPOND SO YOU CAN RESPOND CORRECTLY. WE'RE BASICALLY, EVERYONE ON THE TOWN BOARD HAS THE SAME GOAL. OUR GOAL IS BASICALLY TO, UM, HELP, UH, REVITALIZE EAST HARSDALE AVENUE TO HAVE A GOOD, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, EAST, UH, DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AREA. THAT COULD BE EXCITING. WE WANT TO GET PEOPLE, UH, TO, UH, TO SHOW UP IN THE STORES. WE WANNA HELP THE EXISTING BUSINESSES. SO THERE'S NOT, NOT MORE VACANCIES. UH, WE, WE, WE WANT TO NOT, UH, LOOK AWAY FROM UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE HEALTH AND SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS, OF COURSE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THERE, THERE HAS TO BE A PROCESS, UM, FOR APPROVALS, UH, THAT IS, UM, IS PRO BUSINESS. WHAT, WHAT ARE READING PAUL ACCELERATE DEVELOPMENT TO YOU? WELL, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WHAT? NO, I DO, YOU KNOW WHAT FRANCIS, I'M NOT INSULTING YOU. ALL I'M SAYING IS I JUST, I'M READING, I'M READING, I'M READING MY NOTES, AND BASICALLY ALL I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT THE NOTES WHERE YOU HAD THE CONVERSATION, STAFF EAST DALE AVENUE, PEOPLE DON'T CARE WHAT WE'RE SAYING AT THE, THE BOARD MEETING. THEY WANT TO SAY THE THE BOTTOM STAFF IS VACANCIES. YOU UNDERMINE VACANCIES OR THEY'RE VACANCIES UNDERMINE THEM. I WANNA GET RID OF THESE VACANCIES, BUT YOU CAN UNDERMINE THE STAFF. I'M NOT UNDERMINE UNDERSTAND [01:50:01] YOU ARE WRONG. YOU ARE, YOUR STAFF IS DOING NOTHING WRONG AND YOU'RE UNDERMINING THEM. I SAW TWO EMAILS COMING IN ABOUT THESE DELAYS AND BOTH OF THEM WAS, WE SHOULD HAVE A WORK SESSION, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW. GOOD. YOU WANTED THIS, HAVE A WORK SESSION. IT DIDN'T, HOW ABOUT JUST GOING TO LIZ OR THE BILLING DEPARTMENT AND SAY, I DID, THIS PERSON HAS AN ISSUE AND I I HAVE A SUFFICIENT ANSWER. I HAVE THE EMAILS THAT YOU HAVE HERE. I'VE BEEN DOING THAT, AND YOU LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET HIM SPEAK. YOU COPY THE PERSON WHO IS MAKING THE COMPLAINT, AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. CAN THIS BE ADDED TO THE WORK SESSION AGENDA FOR TUESDAY WITH EXPLANATIONS FOR THE DELAYS? WE'RE GONNA HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME GETTING BUSINESSES TO TRY AND OPEN IF THE APPROVAL PROCESS TAKES SO LONG. BUT WHERE DID THAT JUSTIFICATION COME FROM? WHERE DID IT COME THAT IT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? IT'S THE PROBLEM. RIGHT? SO PAUL, SO WHAT I COULD SAY IS, UM, THERE'S THREE ACTIVE, UH, SIGN PERMIT APPS. ALL THREE HAVE MET WITH THE HCRC, WHICH IS, UH, CDNC, MY DEPARTMENT'S MM-HMM . MAJOR ROLE, UM, WITH ASSISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. ONE OF THE THREE, UH, WE DID GET THEM POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION. THE OTHER TWO HAVE ACTION ITEMS. SO I, I CAN BE PROACTIVE AND ASK THEM, HEY, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU COULD RESPOND TO THESE ACTION ITEMS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE YOU ALONG. UM, AND I WILL DO THAT. AND I I DO, I DID MEAN TO RESPOND TO YOUR EMAIL. I THINK I WAS ON ONE OF THOSE CHAINS. UM, AND I'LL DO THAT. I'LL BE PROACTIVE TO THE TWO OF THE THREE THAT HAVE NOT YET RESPONDED. BUT TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO RESPOND ON THEIR OWN AND WE SET THEM UP. BUT IF AN APPLICANT, IF AN APPLICANT IS NOT BEING PROACTIVE, THAT'S NOT THE STAFF'S FAULT. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. BUT NONETHELESS, AT THE OPENING OF, AND IT'S FOR YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, TRYING TO SPUR THEM ON A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF AN APPLICANT DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP TO A REQUIRED MEETING, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THE SIGNED DESIGNER CAN'T GIVE ANSWERS BECAUSE IT'S NOT HIS EXPERTISE AS TO WHAT THE, THAT WAS THE PREDICAMENT FOR ONE. YES. AND THAT'S THE PREDICAMENT FOR ONE. RIGHT. BUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS AT FAULT, I GUESS BECAUSE THERE'S A DELAY BECAUSE THAT PERSON DIDN'T SHOW UP. THAT'S NOT FAIR. AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO BLAME STAFF DOING THAT TO STAFF BUILDING DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THE NEXT PERSON SAYS, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S NOT DOING THEIR JOB. RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT'S NOT FAIR. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, MY GOAL IS NOT TO FIND BLAME. IT'S TO GET RESULTS. EXCEPT THAT YOU DO ASSIGN IT. IT EXCEPT, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. AND PAUL, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT, IT, IT, IT, IT. SORRY. OKAY. BUT I DISAGREE WITH YOU. AND THIS IS, THIS ISN'T THE ONLY EXAMPLE OF, OF JUST RECENTLY HAPPENED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU ARE VERY QUICK TO RESPOND AND YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY YOU GET A LOT OF EMAILS AND, BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, HOLD YOUR HORSES AND GET THE FACTS BEFORE YOU RESPOND. ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY IS, I WILL CHECK INTO THIS AND GET BACK. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU. TO YOU. YES. RATHER THAN TRYING TO COME UP WITH A REASON, AN EXCUSE, A, A IMPLICIT BLAME ON THE STAFF. JUST, JUST TELL THE PEOPLE, LET'S SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. I'M PROPOSING A SOLUTION. YOU SAY, I WILL GET BACK TO YOU ONCE I HAVE SPOKEN TO STAFF. WELL, IF, IF I COULD JUMP IN HERE ONE SECOND AND I'M TRYING TO STAY QUIET. BUT YEAH, ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS SEND THEM INTO THE DEPARTMENT. TELL THERE'S SOMEONE IN OUR OFFICE, LIZ'S OFFICE, GARRETT'S OFFICE ALL DAY THAT CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS. WE HAVE ENGINEERS ON STAFF. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE IN THE OFFICE. THERE'S PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OFFICE CONSTANTLY. THEY DO AFTER HOUR INSPECTIONS. THEY DO INSPECTIONS ON THE WEEKENDS. WELL, WAY BEYOND WHAT YOU MIGHT GET IN ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY. YOU'VE DEDICATED PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE WORKING HERE. I GO FROM THE PEOPLE THAT CLEAN THIS BUILDING, BUILDING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING, ENGINEERING TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PLOWING THE ROADS, THAT ARE FIXING THE WATER MAINS. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ISSUES WITH ANYBODY WHO COMES IN HERE LOOKING FOR HELP. THEY COME IN. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY HERE. ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS. I DON'T LEAVE MY OFFICE. LIZ RATHER LEAVES THE OFFICE. GARRETT'S SOMETIMES HE'S SLEEPING HERE. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY. WELL SOMETIMES GRANTS ARE DUE . WELL, HE HAS NO CHOICE. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND UNDERSTOOD. AND THAT'S VERY TRUE. BUT WHEN SOMEONE SENDS YOU AN EMAIL, THAT PERSON MAY HAVE MISINFORMATION BE MISGUIDED. YOU CAN'T TAKE WHAT THEY SAY NECESSARILY AS THE GOSPEL. YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT AS WE ALL DO. AND THEN YOU GO FIND OUT THE, THE FACTS AND THEN YOU GET BACK TO THE PERSON. OR, OR AS, AS THE COMMISSIONER WAS SAYING, YES, WE'VE BEEN MEETING ON THAT. YES. YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S RESIDENTS OF HARTSDALE WHO ARE UPSET BECAUSE THEY, THEY SEE SIGNS [01:55:01] ON WINDOWS SAYING THE STORE'S COMING. I I'M ONE OF THEM. BUT I WOULDN'T BLAME LIZ GARRITY FOR THAT. WE WANT THEM TO TAKE THE SIGNS DOWN. WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSAL? YOU, YOU'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ALSO TO ME ABOUT THE, I'M NOT COMPLAINING THAT IT'S THE STEP. I'M NOT COMPLAINING. I WANNA KNOW THE REASONS WHY DID CONSTRUCTION STOP? 'CAUSE THEY RAN OUT OF MONEY. WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE REASONS WHEN, UH, WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER UHHUH, YOU KNOW, EMAILS ME SAYING THAT THERE'S MAJOR DELAYS, WHICH THEY SAID, UM, I, AND THEY, AND, AND I'M SAYING I WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THE TIME. NO. SO THEN THAT RESPONSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN, LET ME GO CHECK WITH STAFF DECISIONS OVER I I DON'T HAVE THE POWER OF IT'S NO, YOU DON'T. WE'RE NOT TRIP. HAVE JUST BEEN TWO SOLUTIONS HAVE JUST BEEN POSTED FOR YOU TO MAKE IT EASIER. SO IT'S NOT ON YOU. ONE IS DUE DILIGENCE. YOU CAN TELL THEM THAT YOU WILL CHECK AND YOU'LL GET BACK TO THEM. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT FOR YOU. THE OTHER, AS THE COMMISSIONER PROPOSED, IS PLEASE GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND, AND REVIEW. TELL CALL LIZ GARY HERE, BUT DON'T RESPOND UNLESS HE DOES HIS HOMEWORK. YOU CAN'T KEEP RESPONDING. THIS IS, THIS IS ONGOING. THIS IS NOT JUST A ONE-OFF. NO, BECAUSE THIS IS ONGOING. NO, BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY WRONG. I'M WRONG. THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT THE THERE IS THERE, THERE THEY EMAILED ME AS A LAST RESORT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TRYING FOR MONTHS. OKAY. AND THEN YOU WENT TO THE STAFF AND ASKED, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? AND YOU READ US THE WHOLE THING. IT DIDN'T SAY THAT. WHAT THERE'S BEEN EXTENDED EXTENSIVE DELAYS AND GETTING THEIR APPROVALS. SO THE THING IS, AND WHAT'S THE BASIS? I FELT THAT. AND WHY WAS THAT? SO I KNOW THAT THE TOWN BOARD CLAIMS THAT THEY WANT TO HELP THE MERCHANTS ON EAST DALE, YOU SAID CLAIMS OR WE SUPPORT. NOW HE'S ACCUSING US. NOW YOU, WE DON'T. SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANNA HELP THEM. YOU'RE CLAIMING THAT YOU WANNA SEE THE VACANT STORES FILLED WITH VIBRANT NEW STORE STOREFRONTS, RIGHT? UH, SO YES, THAT'S WHAT WE STATED. SINCE YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE SUPPOSEDLY INTERESTED, UM, UH, IN, UM, OKAY, NOW IT'S OUR CALL. WE'RE KINDERGARTEN. NOW, SINCE YOU'RE SUPPOSEDLY INTERESTED, I THOUGHT THE BOARD WOULD WANNA KNOW, UH, A CONCERN THAT, UM, THE, THAT SOME OF THE LANDLORDS AND PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS WITH THE TOWN HAVE ABSOLUTELY TRUTHFULNESS. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO YOUR RESEARCH, PAUL. IT MAY BE THAT OUR PROCESS IS TOO CUMBERSOME FOR, UH, THAT AND SHOULD BE CHANGED. MAYBE, MAYBE THERE'S WAYS OF 34 YEARS. WHY HAVEN'T YOU CHANGED IT? YOU KNOW, WHAT, 34 YEARS WHEN I FIND YOU SUPERVISOR FOR 34 YEARS? YOU KNOW WHAT, AND YOU'VE BEEN A TOWN COUNCILMAN FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. YOU USED TO SHOW UP, RIGHT? NOT 34. AND THE PROCESS WORKS. YOU JUST WORKS. WE CAN'T HAVE APPLICANTS NOT SHOW UP AND THEN COMPLAIN. THEY DON'T GET PERMITS. BUT THAT'S OKAY. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL, I JUST SAID, OKAY, PAUL, IS THAT OKAY? PAUL, PAUL, PLEASE JUST ANSWER ONE QUESTION. PLEASE ANSWER QUESTION ONE QUESTION FOR US TODAY. IS IT OKAY FOR AN APPLICANT NOT TO SHOW UP TO A, A MEETING? NO. THEY HAVE TO SHOW UP. AND SO WHY IS THAT MRS. I, LIZ, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE BUILDING PERMIT. I SAID, WELL, I WANT TO HAVE IS A DISCUSSION. SO THIS WAY WE COULD BASICALLY FOR THE DELAYS, NO, NO, BUT I SAID, ALL I WANT IS A DISCUSSION. I WANT AN EXPLANATION WHAT THEY COULD MOVE ON. BUT YOU COULD INCLUDED THE DISCUSSION. BUT GA NO, GARRETT ALREADY SAID HE'S GONNA SPEAK TO, UM, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND YOU'RE GONNA SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. THAT'S ALL, ALL THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANTED IS IF YOU COULD SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO. IF LIZ WOULD SAY, THIS IS WHAT IT'S OUT OF OUR DEPARTMENT. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. GIVE A GIVE. BUT YOU COULD HAVE ASKED HER THAT BEFORE INSTEAD OF MAKING A PUBLIC. NOT. I DIDN'T. I DIDN'T. YES, SHE DID. DID YOU KNOW WHAT IT, IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC SPEC BECAUSE JUST BASICALLY SAID, WELL, YOU ASKED FOR IT TO BE ON THIS WORK SESSION AGENDA. IZED ARCHIVE. YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT. THIS IS NOT MATTER. NO ONE'S TRYING FIGHT MATTER. DON, YOU DON'T LIKE WHEN WE BRING TRUTH MATTER HELPING THE MERCHANT, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S A OF DISRESPECTING OUR STAFF. IT'S NOT MATTER WHICH IS VERY COMMON. LEMME SAY ONE FINAL THING. AND THIS IS WHY WE ARE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT OUR STAFF WHO DOES THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DO. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM TO THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS AND GET THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. 'CAUSE THEY ARE NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. AND YOU KEEP DOING THAT OFTEN AND OFTEN AND OFTEN WE HAVE PROOF TO SHOW THAT IT IS NOT FAIR TO CONTINUE TO, TO TREAT THE, THE STAFF THE WAY THAT YOU, THAT WAY YOU HAVE DONE. OKAY, WELL, LEMME SAY SOMETHING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, THERE'S A MOVE RIGHT NOW TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESSES OF, OF LEAN, UH, DOWNTOWN BUSINESS, ECONOMIC, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT. WE, WE HAVE A, AN ECONOMY THAT'S STRUGGLING. WE HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE STRUGGLING. WE HAVE ME MERCHANTS ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE WHO BARELY AROUND THE TOWN AND THEY NEED, AND THEY, AND THEY BASICALLY NEED OTHER STORES. UH, ON THAT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM WHAT HAPPENED HERE. BUSINESS. WE NEED TO GET STREET TRAFFIC ON EAST TAR. NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONE'S, NO ONE IS, IS STATING [02:00:01] OTHERWISE WE JUST WANT YOU BEFORE YOU CLAIM THAT, IT'S CALLED MANAGEMENT CALLED DELAYS. NO, IT'S CALLED MANAGEMENT. PAUL, YOU HAVE TO MANAGE THE EXPECTATIONS OF RESIDENTS WHO SEND YOU EMAILS AND NOT IMPULSIVELY JUST RESPOND. I, I DON'T KNOW. I THAT IS YES YOU DO. BECAUSE IF YOU WOULD'VE ASKED, YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN THE INFORMATION THOUGH. THAT IS NOT WHAT I DO AT ALL. YOU DO. NO, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EASY TO POINT FINGERS. WE DO. OKAY, SO YOU'RE GONNA FIGHT. ARE WE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC? WHAT'S, WHAT'S NEXT, PLEASE. CAN WE, SO SO THE BOTTOM LINE OF, OKAY, SO LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THE WATER. MAIN BREAK IS WE GONNA THROW THOSE, WE THROW THOSE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS YOU HEARD FROM THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR YES. A DETAILED ANALYSIS. THAT PERSON TOLD YOU THERE ARE DELAYS. IF LIZ SAID BACK TO YOU, THERE ARE NO DELAYS, YOU WOULD SAY TO HER, COULD YOU OUTLINE WHY THERE ARE NO DELAYS? AND SHE JUST GAVE IT TO US. DID YOU ASK THIS PERSON? WHERE ARE THE DELAYS? I DIDN'T, I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY WERE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME. SO WHY DON'T YOU, WHY YOU ALWAYS DO THAT. AND THEN YOU'D SAY, ASK THE QUESTION AND THEN YOU MAKE IT APPEAR THAT THERE ARE DELAYS. I'M JUST BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS DIDN'T HAVE TO BE A BIG PUBLIC SPEC EVIDENCE. YOU ASKED FOR IT TO BE NO, I, I WANTED TO ASK FOR BY PUTTING IT, GARRETT BASICALLY ANSWERED IN FIVE SECONDS. HE SAID, I WILL SPEAK TO THEM. THAT'S ALL WE NEEDED. SO THAT, THAT'S ONE ASPECT. BUT, BUT THERE WAS MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE PROPERTIES THAT WERE MENTIONED SOMEWHERE ON CENTRAL AVENUE. UM, THAT IS ALSO APPLICANT DRIVEN. UM, THE APPLICANT IS WORKING ON DIFFERENT THINGS. THAT'S A BOARD OF HEALTH APPROVAL THAT THEY'RE WAITING FOR. MECADO SUI STILL BOARD OF BOARD OF HEALTH. YOU THE BUILDING APARTMENT CAN'T OVERRULE, RIGHT? NO. RIGHT, RIGHT. NOR WOULD WE WANT TO. YEAH, RIGHT. NO. SO IT'S NOT THE BUILDING APARTMENT'S FAULT? NO. OKAY. UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A DISTINC DISTINCTION SIMPLER. THE NEW RESTAURANT THAT'S REPLACING CENTRAL SEAFOOD, AGAIN, THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, THAT IS STILL WAITING FOR BOARD OF HEALTH APPROVAL AND THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. SO THE BOARD OF HEALTH IS THE ONE THAT WESTCHESTER COUNTY? IT'S WESTCHESTER COUNTY. YOU WANT TO EXPEDITE, DID YOU WRITE TO THE BOARD OF HEALTH? I DON'T. I WANT TO KNOW, DID YOU WRITE TO THE BOARD OF HEALTH? NO, I DIDN'T WRITE TO, BUT THE THING IS, ALL I WANT TO DO IS FIND OUT WHAT PROBLEMS THERE ARE AND THEN WORK WITH THE, THE POTENTIAL NEW BUSINESSES AND SEE IF WE COULD BASICALLY, UM, HELP THEM. WELL WE ARE, CAN I MAKE A DISTINCTION THOUGH? THERE ARE TWO THERE, THERE ARE TWO, THERE ARE ACTUALLY THREE VERY GREAT, GREAT TOWN, UM, EMPLOYEES, AND I HATE TO CALL THEM THAT BECAUSE THEY DO SO MUCH MORE. THEY'RE DEDICATED. BUT ONE OF THEM TOLD YOU, THE PERSON THAT YOU PUT ON THE LINE HERE TOLD YOU THAT IT ISN'T A BUILDING DEPARTMENT PROBLEM, THEREFORE IT'S NOT IN HER PURVIEW. THE OTHER GARRETT, I AM SORRY. YOU, YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW AND SO THEREFORE HE COULD BE HELPFUL AND HE COULD BE GOING OVER AND ABOARD TRYING TO MAKE THE PROCESS HAPPEN EVEN IF THE, THE, UM, STORE OWNERS HAVE BEEN SLOWED IN THE UPTAKE. SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE, IT WAS WITHIN GARRETT'S PURVIEW TO TALK ABOUT THAT. AND HE VERY, SO YOU CAN'T EVEN JUST, GARRETT GAVE ME THE ANSWER I WANTED. LIZ DID NOT. LIZ COULD NOT GIVE YOU AN ANSWER ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT WITHIN HER PURVIEW. OKAY. AND SOME, OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. WITH GO ON TO THE NEXT. SO LET'S TALK TO THE, AND LET'S HAVE A NICE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WATER MAIN. OH YEAH, LET'S START THERE. COMMISSIONER, MAY I HAVE, UH, YOUR'S? GETTING OUTTA HERE. THANK YOU. GAR. RUN. LET'S SEE WHAT GINA FAULT IS NOW ON THIS ONE. THAT'S FOR YOU FOR THE RULES. OKAY. OKAY. THE WATER. MAIN BREAK PAUL. GOOD EVENING AGAIN. RICHARD FA, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS. COMMISSIONER. UH, FIRST I WANNA SAY THAT OUR WATER DEPARTMENT DID AN ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL JOB THIS WEEKEND. RESTORING WATER UNDER VERY DIFFICULT, CIRCUM, DIFFICULT, VERY, EXTREMELY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES. HORRIBLE, UH, BAD LOCATION. MM-HMM ANYTHING YOU COULD MAKE UP. HEY, AT THE SAME TIME OF THIS WATER, MAIN BREAK, WE HAD HIGHWAY SANITATION, BUILDING, MAINTENANCE PARK, PEOPLE IN DEALING WITH THE PROLONGED SNOW EVENT THAT BASICALLY TOOK MOST OF THE WEEKEND TO ADDRESS. WE ARE SO VERY, VERY LUCKY TO HAVE SUCH DEDICATED EMPLOYEES. YES, WE ARE UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. INNOCENT. AND THAT'S JUST A FACT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT LIZ WAS ALLUDING TO. AGAIN, YOU HAVE UNDER YOUR TOWN STAFF THE MOST DEDICATED PEOPLE. THEY WORK IN SOMETIMES HORRIFIC SITUATIONS AND THEY DESERVE EVERYBODY'S UTMOST RESPECT. [02:05:01] 'CAUSE THEY GIVE A HUNDRED PERCENT. SO IN RESPECT TO THE WATER MAIN BREAK, IT WAS A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND FOR WHAT THEY WERE DEALING WITH. IT WAS A 20 INCH, 20 INCH TRANSMISSION LINE. UH, THERE WAS A 20 FOOT SECTION, A 20 INCH DIAMETER, YES. RIGHT OF PIPE. THAT IS A TRANSMISSION, MAIN TRANSMISSION. SO THERE WAS A LOT INVOLVED IN IT. THEY HAD TO TURN OFF THE PUMP STATIONS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY AFFECTED THE ENTIRE TOWN. UH, LOCATE THE LEAK, EVEN FINDING VALVES UNDER THREE OR FOUR INCHES OF SNOW. THEN FINDING THE VALVE, HAVING TO CLEAN THE VALVE TO BE ABLE TO GET ON IT AND SHUT IT DOWN. MM-HMM . SOMETIMES OPENING AND CLOSING MORE THAN ONCE. THE 'CAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PIPE, THE THICKNESS OF THE WALL OF PIPE WAS SIGNIFICANT. MM-HMM . I UNDERSTAND THERE'S AS MANY AS 12 VALVES THAT YOU HAD TO SHIFT. 15. 15. 15. OH, SHOOT. SO I'M IMPRESSED. LET ME ASSURE YOU. THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD AS QUICKLY AS THEY COULD, ALONG WITH THE STAFF THAT WAS DEALING WITH THE SNOW, UH, CONDITIONS. WE HAD, THEY HAD THE FLUSH HYDRANTS. WE HAD TO HAVE GUYS FOLLOW UP SALTING THE AREAS WHERE THEY WERE FLUSHING THE HYDRANTS AND IT WAS FREEZING. RIGHT. SO, END OF THE DAY, THE WATER MAIN IS FIXED. WATER HAS BEEN STORED RE RESTORED TO THE TOWN. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THIS JUST AGAIN, HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT'S UNDER THE GROUND. MM-HMM . MORE SO THAN SOMETIMES THAN WHAT'S ABOVE IT. MM-HMM . RIGHT. WE HAVE AN AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS DECEMBER WAS THE COLDEST DECEMBER IN 15 YEARS. MM-HMM . AND THIS JANUARY IS SHAPING UP TO BE SOMEWHAT THE SAME. AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS. THEY, OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, THERE'S BEEN OVER 80 WATER MAIN BREAKS. THEY'VE DEALT WITH THEM AS QUICKLY AND AS SWIFTLY AS THEY THEY POSSIBLY CAN. I THINK SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF HOW FAST THESE OTHER MAINS ARE, ARE FIXED. AND THAT'S RIGHT. THE TOWN CLERK DID CALL HIM ONE DOWN THE STREET FROM HER HOUSE. SOMETIMES IT'S QUICK. WHEN YOU HAVE A, A SIGNIFICANT BREAK LIKE THIS WITH THE SIZE OF THE PIPE THAT IT WAS, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER. AND HOW FAR DOWN? BURIED FIVE FEET. YEAH. SO I'M GONNA HAVE A FULL REPORT OUT WITH YOU FOR YOU. WE COULD DO A VIDEO, YOU COULD WITH, UH, DOCUMENTATION OF EVERYTHING THAT THE SUPERVISOR HAS, HAS ASKED FOR. BUT WITHIN A LITTLE OVER 24 HOURS BETWEEN THE NOTIFICATION TO THE REPAIR, WE'RE BACK IN SERVICE. THERE IS A, A BOIL WATER ALERT THAT'S OUT. THERE'S SOME TESTING THAT WAS TAKING PLACE. I DON'T WANT TO GET TO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THAT NOW, BUT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT AND ARE AND ARE BOILING, UM, ADVISORY STILL IN EFFECT. YES. AND IT DOESN'T EFFECT UNTIL WE NOTIFY. AND THAT COMES FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. MM-HMM . AND WE WILL DO THAT. I DO WANT TO, UH, TALK ABOUT NOTIFICATION, WHICH SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM. SO I KNOW AT THE WATER SHOP THEY RECEIVED I THINK 2,800 CALLS. UH, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF EMAILS. PEOPLE WERE OBVIOUSLY VERY CONCERNED WHEN THERE'S NO WATER. UM, THERE WAS A ROBOCALL THAT WENT OUT. IT WENT TO TARGETED AREAS. IT MIGHT NOT HAVE GONE TO ALL THE TARGETED AREAS. THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT THAT IS THIS MARSH ARE VERY, VERY CAPABLE POLICE DEPARTMENT UNDER CHIEF POWELL HAS A NEW SYSTEM COMING INTO PLACE, WHICH WILL TARGET AREAS. WE SPOKE TO DETECTIVE MARINO TODAY. HE'S BEEN VERY MUCH INVOLVED AND IS AN EXCELLENT ASSET DURING THESE STORMS. UH, WE MET WITH THE ENGINEERS THIS MORNING. THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH SHAPE FILES SO THAT WHEN THE SYSTEM IS IN PLACE, WE'RE ABLE TO BETTER NOTIFY PEOPLE. I THINK ONCE THAT'S WORKED OUT, I THINK A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAD THIS PAST WEEKEND WILL BE RESOLVED. SO I I, I THINK AS I UNDERSTOOD IT TOO, THAT UM, THERE WAS A SOME AND A HOPE MAYBE, AND THAT THE REPAIRS WOULD BE DONE SOONER THAN, THAN WAS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITIES THAT THE COMMISSIONER JUST MENTIONED. UM, AND THE EXTENSIVENESS OF THE BREAK TOO WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD TO BE DEALT WITH AND THE REPLACEMENT PARTS. SO EVERY PROCESS IS ONE THAT TAKES TIME. UM, AND SO I GUESS [02:10:01] THAT THAT CAN EXPLAIN SOME OF THE LACK OF INFORMATION. AND FOR THAT, UM, WE ALL APOLOGIZE TO THE CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE AFFECTED, INCLUDING ONE SITTING RIGHT OVER HERE. LISTENING CAREFULLY TO OUR DISCUSSION. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE ALSO WORK, GOING TO WORK ON WAYS TO IMPROVE THAT COMMUNICATION. EVEN IF THERE'S NOTHING TO TELL, WE'LL TELL YOU, THERE'S NOTHING TO TELL. UM, BUT THAT, THAT REALLY IS PART OF THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THE, THE, THE WHOLE THING WAS ONE OF ONE CHALLENGE AFTER ANOTHER. RIGHT. SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, YOU BEING OUT, YOU KNOW, OUT OF THE COUNTRY, IT WAS SO INCONVENIENT. TIMING IS ALWAYS ESSENTIAL. AND YOU KNOW, FRANK OBVIOUSLY BEING, DOING ALL THE WORK, BUT WE DO NEED A COMMUNICATION POINT. WE NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN THEN GIVE THE INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN HELP PUSH THE INFORMATION OUT. HONESTLY, I THINK THAT SATURDAY WAS TOO SOON TO ASSESS THE SERIOUSNESS AND HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE. BUT MY SUGGESTION, I MENTIONED THIS TO THE SUPERVISOR EARLIER, WAS THAT HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED AN EMERGENCY MEETING MAYBE SUNDAY MORNING TO SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT AND THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD TELL PEOPLE. SOME PEOPLE, UH, AN EMERGENCY MEETING OF THE BOARD. YEAH. OF THE BOARD. LIKE ALL OF US. SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S ALL, KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND SENDING OUT DRAFTING INFORMATION. YOU ALL ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND THAT INFORMATION HAS TO GO OUT TO THE GENERAL ALERT, BUT ALSO TO THE NEWS AND REPORT LIST THAT PAUL HAS. AND THIS IS WHERE I WAS SO DISTURBED BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT ALL THESE, ALL OF THESE ADVISORIES THAT THE CHIEF SENDS OUT, GO ON ON THE, THE GENERAL ALERT. OKAY. BUT PAUL, YOURS GO OUT TO YOUR GB LIST. THEY DON'T GO TO THE GENERAL ALERT. THESE HAVE TO GO TO BOTH ALL THE TIME. WHENEVER THERE'S ANY KIND OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, A ROBOCALL WILL BE GREAT TOO. BUT, UM, I, I THINK IT WAS JUST A LOT. IT WAS JUST LIKE A COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN. IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT A, A, UH, AN EFFORT BREAKDOWN. I MEAN, NO, I DON'T THINK ANYONE THINKS THAT. I MEAN THE, THE WORK THAT YOU DID, BUT IT WAS SAID. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. BUT WE HAVE TO SAY HE DID. OKAY. WE DID. I I I WANT TO JUST SAY A FEW MORE THINGS IF I COULD. SURE. SO MR. FRANK MODO, RIGHT. WHO TAKES ON A LOT OF ROLES HERE AND TIME MM-HMM . THE MAN LIVED HERE ALL WEEKEND. RIGHT. LET'S BE HONEST. AND, AND WHEN I LEFT FOR MY TRIP, I KNEW I LEFT AT NO BETTER HANDS. 'CAUSE HE REALLY, DOES HE ASK ANY STAFF MEMBER? HE'S EVERYWHERE. WE DID HAVE SOME SITUATIONS DURING THE STORM, WHICH TOOK HIS ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE PHONE. BUT I COULD ASSURE YOU AT NO POINT. AND I HEARD THINGS AND WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS THAT HE WAS IN NEGLECT OF CALLING OR ANYTHING. ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE. THE MAN WAS 24 7. HE LIVED OUT OF HIS CAR FOR THREE DAYS WORKING WITH THE TOWN, WITH THE WATER SHOP. ALL THE STAFF DEALING WITH THE SNOW. UH, AND LISTEN, WE HAD SOME SITUATIONS OUT THERE AND YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THAT WHERE THE WATER MAIN BREAK WAS RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER. PEOPLE DON'T SEE PEOPLE OUT THERE DIGGING RIGHT AWAY. IT JUST CAN'T HAPPEN THAT QUICK. YOU HAVE TO CALL IN A CODE 53. THERE'S GOTTA BE EMERGENCY MARK OUT. IT'S A PROCESS. JUST LIKE LIZ IS DEALING WITH OTHER BUREAUCRATIC AGENCIES. MM-HMM . D-E-C-D-E-P, WESTCHESTER COUNTY HEALTH, THEY ALL HAVE A JOB TO DO. WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR PEOPLE TO GET MARK OUTS. WE START DIGGING AND WE HIT A GAS LINE. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE WITH THE WATER IS GONNA POUND TO COMPARISON WHAT YOU GOT NOW. MM-HMM . THEY ALSO ARE, LIKE I SAID, RUNNING AROUND. 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE EVERYTHING MAPPED LOOKING FOR THESE VALVES. THEY'RE UNDER SNOW THAT WE'RE D WORKING VALVE. NO, YOU'RE DOING YOUR THING. THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE THING WE HAVE TO DO. YES. BUT LET LEMME AND WHAT WE, AND IF I COULD, PAUL, WE DID SPEAK TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE THIS MORNING MM-HMM . AND WE HAD A VERY NICE CONVERSATION. UH, AND I THINK MOVING FORWARD, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, BUT THOSE MEETINGS, YOU HAVE A, A SPACE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AN EOC. RIGHT? IT'S AN OPERATIONAL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EMERGENCY EMERGENCY CENTER. OKAY. SO THAT WENT, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN ACTIVATED, BUT SOMETHING'S GOING DOWN. OKAY. YOU GO THERE, THEY GOT CONNECTIONS TO EVERYBODY. IT'S LIKE A, A BLIZZARD OR SO WHO CALLED WHO? WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? I MEAN, HOW IS THAT ACTIVATED? WELL, WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE, UH, RICH, FRANK, MYSELF. UM, WE HAD THE LIZ, THE POLICE CHIEF. I THOUGHT WE HAD A REALLY VERY, WHEN THAT'S NOT, WHEN WAS THAT? I'M ENTERING THE EMERGENCY. OH NO, YOU GOTTA KEEP DURING THE EVENTS. THAT'S HOW THAT WORKS. WE HAD A VERY POSITIVE MEETING, UH, THAT LASTED ALMOST AN HOUR AND A HALF. THAT'S WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED. SO PRIOR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE ANALYZED WHAT HAPPENED. OKAY. AND WE BASICALLY [02:15:01] CAME UP WITH PLANS. SO I'M VERY, VERY OPTIMISTIC THAT IN THE FUTURE WE'RE GONNA BE LEARNING FROM, YOU KNOW, THIS EXPERIENCE. SO WE BASICALLY SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UH, THE NEXT TIME, FIRST OF ALL, MOST 30 YEARS BOARD OF MAINE BREAKS GET FIXED IN LIKE THREE, FOUR HOURS. SO NO. WHAT WHAT, WAIT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? BREAK. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MOST WATER GET FIXED? IS THAT SO MR. COMMISSIONER? IS THAT SO? NO, NO. I CAN, NO, I'VE WORKED, I'VE WORKED HARD WATER UTILITY. NOT THE YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DEALING, BUT EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, I GO TO EAST DALE AVENUE, YOU DON'T KNOW, SEE THAT SITUATION IT'S GOING ON A LOT LONGER THAN ANYBODY WANTING YOU TO GO. OF COURSE. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 'CAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT JUST TAKE TIME AND SOMETIMES YOU, SOMETIMES IT COULD BE JUST SHUTTING THE VALVE OFF AND ISOLATING IT MM-HMM. SO THAT THE WATER CAN GO BACK ON AND THEN YOU COULD REPAIR IT WITHOUT ANYBODY BEING OUTTA SERVICE. MM-HMM . DOES EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO. IF THIS WAS WORKING, THE PROBLEM HERE IS AGAIN, WHERE, AND I'LL DEFEND FRANK MODO, HE'S OUT THERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HEAR THESE THINGS THAT JUST ARE NONSENSE. RIGHT. AND THAT'S NOT HIS JOB. IT'S NOT HIS JOB. IT'S WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY WORKING EXTREMELY HARD, NO SLEEP, DEALING WITH ALL KINDS OF SITUATIONS, FREEZING IN THE WATER. MM-HMM . NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR NEGATIVE THINGS AT THAT POINT. THAT'S RIGHT. NO ONE WANTS TO BE SCREENED SCREEN ON TV. NO ONE WANTS TO BE SCREENED AT EITHER. WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO GOING FORWARD? NOT WHILE, WHILE WE DID. WELL THIS IS SIMILAR TO, LEMME JUST SAY SOMETHING TONIGHT. CRITICIZE STAFF WHO'S TRYING TO GET THE WORK DONE. DONE NOT, NO. LET ME JUST, LET ME SAY WHAT I THINK YOU'RE NOT NOW SHOULD BE DONE. SO I THINK, BUT MAYBE YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO THE STAFF OR MAYBE YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE. OKAY. SO MAYBE YOU SHOULD APOLOGIZE FOR THIS TO THE STAFF FOR BEING VERY DISRESPECTFUL TO THEM AND DIS NO, BECAUSE AIDEN, THEY LET ME SAY SOMETHING. I AM NOT GONNA GET INVOLVED IN, UH, IN BASICALLY GETTING INTO A FIGHT OVER THIS. I'M LOOKING GOING, YOU WERE ALREADY BUT YOU. BUT YOU DID. BUT YOU DID. WEREN'T YOU YELLING AT STAFF SAYING THAT THEY WERE INSUBORDINATE? WE HAD, WE HAD WE. AND DIDN'T YOU BLAME A CERTAIN COUNCIL PERSON? LET ME SAY SOMETHING. WE ARE, UH, WE'RE, THE GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO ANOTHER QUESTION NOT ANSWERED. GO FORWARD, LOOK AHEAD TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE, UM, RESIDENTS GET THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THEY NEED. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IS NEXT TIME THERE'S ANY TYPE OF INCIDENT LIKE THIS, WE ACTIVATE THE UH, SURE. YOU KNOW, THE, SO WHAT WAS DONE IN 34 YEARS, WE SHOULD DO THAT. WHAT WAS THE PROCESS IN 34 YEARS? WHY DIDN'T YOU I DID ASK, I'M THE SUPERVISOR. I'M NOT THE SUPERVISOR. DON'T TRY TO OVERTALK. I'M NOT THE SUPER PAUL. I DID ASK YOU PAUL WORKER, SO YOU DON'T, YOU WEREN'T PAYING A SO SUPPOSED TO PROCESS, ASKING QUESTION PHONE AT 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ON SUNDAY AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING. YES. SHE BASICALLY, EXCUSE ME, LEMME FINISH PLEASE. FRANK MOBI. NO, YOU TOLD ME YOU WERE AT THE SITE AND IT WAS GONNA BE ON COUPLE HOURS. IT WASN'T RETURNED BECAUSE YOU SAID LEMME BECAUSE FIVE TIMES AND THEN I LET SAY 34 34 TIMES. NO, I CALLED MANY TIMES AND MY CALLS WEREN'T RETURNED. AND THAT'S WHAT GOT, SO YOU DIDN'T GET TO SPEAK TO FRANK. SO YOU DIDN'T CALL ALL STAFF. YOU SPEAK TO FRANK ON SUNDAY? I SPOKE TO HIM ON SUNDAY MORNING. ON UH, YES. SUNDAY. YOU DIDN'T SPEAK HIM. SATURDAY SPOKE ON, DID YOU SPEAK TO HIM ON MONDAY? YEAH, MONDAY HE CALLED BECAUSE I STARTED COMPLAINING THAT HE WASN'T RETURNING MY PHONE CALL. SO HE DID RETURN YOUR CALL. THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S NOT TRUE. BECAUSE I, THE THING IS THAT, AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, GINA CALLED ME SAYING I WAS INTERFERING AND I SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE YOU KEPT CALLING HIM BACK TO BACK AND HE WAS DEALING WITH EMERGENCY. HE WAS ON YOU HAD TO, YOU HAD, HOLD ON A SECOND. HOLD ON. WHAT'S GOING ON SUPERVISOR PAUL? OKAY. YOU'RE THE TOWN SUPERVISOR. NO ONE TAKES THAT AWAY FROM YOU, BUT YOU HAVE TO ALLOW STAFF TO DO THE JOB. I THINK YOU KNOW THAT ONE OF OUR CHILDREN TELLING ONE OF OUR TRUCKS TURNED OVER. YES. WHY DON'T YOU SAY WHAT IT IS? YOU FEEL THAT COUNCILWOMAN GINA JACKSONS WAS TELLING HIM NOT TO RETURN YOUR CALLS. HE WASN'T. WHICH IS NOT, HE WAS DEALING WITH ACCIDENTS. OKAY, WELL THEN WHAT'S UP? MY GOD, YOU GOTTA LET THE MAN WORK. YOU CAN'T CALL BACK EVERY FIVE MINUTES. THEN I CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I BASICALLY SAID TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, COULD THEY, UH, GET SOMEBODY ON THE WATER DEPARTMENT? FRANK IS NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO WORKS. SO WHY DIDN'T YOU REACH OUT TO STAFF? BECAUSE, BECAUSE NOBODY GOT BACK TO ME. BUT WHY DIDN'T YOU REACH OUT TO STAFF? YOU'VE WORKED WITH THEM FOR OVER 20 YEARS. WHY DIDN'T YOU REACH OUT TO THE WHY, WHY DIDN'T YOU REACH OUT TO FRANK SHERWOOD? WHY DIDN'T YOU REACH OUT TO ANDY DONNELLY? YOU WORK WITH THEM? WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST CALL THEM? THEY DON'T CALL ANDY DONNELLY DIDN'T CALL ME BACK. THAT DOESN'T CALL ME. IT DOESN'T ARE ARE YOU SEEING A MESSAGE HERE, PAUL, THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO YOU? YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S LET ME SAY SOMETHING. IS THAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, FRANCIS. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING LET'S, I, ALL I WANNA SAY IS GOING FORWARD, THIS IS WHAT I WANT DONE. ONE, I BASICALLY WANT A ACTIVATE THE, UH, A OC AND YOU CAN DO THAT NUMBER, WHICH I'M GONNA, AND YOU CAN DO THAT ALL BY YOURSELF. JUST LIKE A STATE [02:20:01] OF EMERGENCY. FRANCIS, WHY DON'T YOU, NUMBER TWO, I THINK THAT, UH, WE SHOULD HAVE OPENED UP, UH, EITHER A COMMUNITY CENTER OR A VETERAN TOWN PARK. SO WHY DID YOU ANNOUNCE THAT IT WAS OPEN AND IT WASN'T EVEN OPEN? YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. WOULD'VE WHAT IF RESIDENT WOULD'VE GONE THERE? THAT'S WHY YOU NEEDED TO CALL A MEETING ON MONDAY MORNING TO DISCUSS. YOU DIDN'T ANSWER THE MEETING. YES, I DID. I JEANS, I HAVE TO ANSWER A MEETING. YOU'RE THE LEADER. YOU SAY WE NEED TO ALL COME TOGETHER AND HAVE A MEETING. EVERYBODY'S, WHEN YOU, NONE OF YOU, PAUL, I SPOKE TO YOU AT 11 O'CLOCK ON MONDAY MORNING, I SPOKE TO YOU AND I SAID, YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA GO, YOU'RE AT THE SITE. IT'S GONNA BE DONE IN TWO HOURS. I SAID, AND YOU SAID, WE'LL SEND OUT SOMETHING ONCE THE WATER IS UP. I SAID, NO, WE'RE SENDING SOMETHING OUT NOW BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING IN ALMOST 12 HOURS. RIGHT. AND AND SO YOU WENT TO YOUR EVENT AND I SENT IT OUT. NO, NO. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. OKAY. AND WE DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, LET'S ASSESS THE SITUATION. SHOULD WE OPEN THE, THE BURN CENTER? LET'S DO SOMETHING. 'CAUSE PEOPLE HAVE NOT HAD HEAT OR HOT WATER. NO. LEMME SAY THAT. NO, YOU WERE OFF TO GO YOUR EVENT. YOU'RE NOT TIME TO TALK TO ME. THAT WAS THE MARTIN LUTHER KING EVENT. THAT, THAT WHEN YOU WERE, I I DID REGARDLESS. AND I'M SURE HE WOULD UNDERSTAND. YEAH. IF YOU WERE A LITTLE DELAYED, IF YOU STEPPED OUT AND TOOK A CALL. I DID TELL I RETURNED ALL THE CALLS THAT DAY. OKAY. CAN I, CAN I, ID LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING HUNDREDS AND IF I MAY, IF I MAY, SURE. PAUL, THIS IS, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S HAPPENING WITH CONSISTENCY HERE. YOU THROW DOWN THE GAUNTLET. THEY USED TO, YOU KNOW, FOR DUEL, YOU THROW DOWN THE GLOVE OR WHATEVER. YOU THROW DOWN THE GAUNTLET, YOU MAKE ACCUSATIONS. YOU, YOU GIVE EXPLANATIONS BEFORE YOU HAVE THE FACTS. AND THEN YOU ACCUSE IT SEEMED THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU THEN START BLAMING A GINA. GENERIC LAME, WHETHER IT IS LIZ, AS IN THE LAST SITUATION, WHETHER IT'S FRANK MODO, WHETHER IT'S GINA. THEN YOU START BLAMING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT HAPPENING THE WAY YOU ENVISION RATHER THAN, AND THEN YOU COME HERE AND YOU SAY, STOP THE BLAME. STOP ACCUSING. BUT YOU'VE DONE THAT ALREADY. YOU'VE BLAMED AND YOU'VE ACCUSED. AND THEN WE FEEL COMPELLED TO RESPOND BACK. WE RESPOND BACK. AND YOU'RE, LET'S GO TO, LET'S MOVE ON FROM HERE. BUT YOU'VE ALREADY THROWN DOWN THE G GAUNTLET AND YOU'VE PUT US IN A POSITION, EVERY ONE OF THE STAFF IN A POSITION AT SOME TIME OR ANOTHER TO FEEL THAT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE, TRYING TO MAKE THEM FEEL THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE THEIR JOB AND THEY'VE BEEN VALIANT. THEY WORK AROUND THE CLOCK AND YOU'RE NOT, YOU ARE JUST BLAMING THEM. AND THEN WHEN WE TRY TO CALL YOU ON IT, THEN YOU SAY, LET'S MOVE ON FROM THAT. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. AND YOU CHANGE THE TOPIC. YOU CHANGE IT EVERY TIME WE TRY TO GET TO THE MEAT OF SOMETHING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE, I KNOW FOR ONE, I'M TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS AND COME UP WITH AND BE RESPONSIVE. BUT YOU STICK TO THE SAME POINT AND THEN YOU, THEN YOU DENY OWNERSHIP OF IT. NOT FAIR. NO, NOT FAIR AT ALL. OKAY. SAY IT'S WORSE THAN, IT'S WORSE THAN THAT. LET'S, WHAT YOU DO IS YOU BERATE STAFF DEPARTMENT HEADS AND YOU DO IT IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN STAFF TO DEMEAN THEM EVEN MORE. DID YOU NOT SAY THAT YOU WERE GOING TO WRITE UP A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT HEAD FOR INSUBORDINATION? I DON'T WANT TO, UH, SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DID. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DID. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE DOING IT, YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT, I'M SAYING WHAT YOUR RESPONSE IS. NO, BECAUSE I'M NOT, LET ME SAY SOMETHING. WHAT BOTHERED ME OVER THE WEEKEND, THERE WAS ONLY ONE THING. THE PERSON WHO WAS ON THE FRONT LINE OF FIXING THE PIPE SUPERVISOR, THE PERSON ON THE FRONT LINE OF FIXING THE PIPE YOU WANTED TO WRITE UP FOR INSUBORDINATE. WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO TO THE SITE WHEN I'M GETTING, I DID GO TO THE SITE. IMAGINE THAT. I WENT CREW. CREW. DID YOU GO OTHER TIMES SITE MORE THAN ONCE. OKAY. SO THEN WHEN YOU WASN'T GETTING A PHONE CALL, JUST GOES DIRECTLY TO THE SITE. YOU KNOW WHAT I BASICALLY FEEL WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM, LIKE ONE OF MY STRENGTHS, WHICH I KNOW IS A STRENGTH, IS I COMMUNICATE WITH THE PUBLIC. AND I, I ALWAYS HAVE DONE THAT. AND I, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN PROUD EVERY TIME WE'VE HAD AN EMERGENCY, EVERY TIME WE'VE HAD AN EMERGENCY, IT'S ALL, EVERYBODY'S BEEN REALLY THRILLED UP TILL THIS TIME, UH, WITH THE WAY THE TOWN HANDLED IT. SO WHAT BOTHERED ME A LOT DURING THIS WHOLE CRISIS WAS THAT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. I TRIED MY BEST TO FIND, GET INFORMATION TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE FROM ONE PERSON AS I HAD DONE OVER THE, MY, MY TENURE. AND I WASN'T GETTING RETURNED PHONE CALLS. WHEN I MET WITH FRANK AND RICH EARLIER TODAY, I WAS VERY HAPPY BECAUSE THEY EXPLAINED SOME OF THE REASONS FOR THE DELAYS. SO IF, UH, IF, UH, ON SUNDAY, IF THEY WOULD'VE SAID, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE SORRY THAT IT'S TAKING LONGER THAN YOU WANT, BUT THERE'S 15 VALVES THAT HAVE TO BE CLOSED. UM, [02:25:01] AND UH, THE VALVES ARE ALL OVER THE TOWN. SO YOU MAY NOT BE SAYING CREWS UNDERSTAND THE WATERMAKER, YOU KNOW, UH, AT THE LONG ISLAND BAGEL, I COULD HAVE SHARED THAT INFORMATION AND THEN PEOPLE WOULD'VE BEEN REASSURED THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. ALL YOU HAD TO DO IS SHARE INFORMATION THAT THIS IS AN UPDATE. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN STILL WE'RE GONNA OFFER THIS TO YOU. THAT'S WHAT I DONE. NO, BUT YOU DIDN'T ON THAT. WHAT YOU DID IS YOU RAISED EXPECTATIONS. YOU, THE FIRST EMAIL YOU SENT OUT SAID, WE EXPECT IT TO BE FIXED TONIGHT. BECAUSE I SPOKE WHEN I SPOKE TO FRANK, THAT WAS FRANK DID NOT SAY THAT. FRANK DID NOT TELL YOU THAT. FRANK DID NOT. FRANK DID NOT TELL YOU THAT. FRANK DID NOT SAY THAT. THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A PIPE, PAUL, BECAUSE PAUL, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND TO HIM, THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A PIPE. THEY HAD TO BORROW A PIPE FROM SCARSDALE INITIALLY. HE, THE, INITIALLY I GOT SOME INFORMATION AND THEN, UM, I THINK SUNDAY, SUNDAY AFTERNOON. SO WE NOT GET INFORMATION. WE GET SOME INFORMATION, PHONE CALLS. AND, AND THE THING IS, WHAT ON ME UPSET WAS BECAUSE I SORT OF FELT THAT. AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY DID YOU, DID THEY EXPLAIN THIS MORNING? THIS MORNING? WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. LET ME FINISH MY QUESTION. DID THEY EXPLAIN THIS MORNING WHY FRANK DIDN'T RETURN YOUR CALLS? THEY TRUCK THAT FELL, FELL ON HIS SIDE? YEAH. AND HE, WAS IT AN AMBULANCE? UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WASN'T GINA PREVENTING HIM FROM CALLING YOU BACK? NO, BUT HE SAID THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. BUT, WHICH IS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? ALL BUT FRANK IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. OH, I ASKED. YEAH, PAUL, DID YOU EVER ASK HOW HE WAS ASKED HOW THE EMPLOYEE WAS, WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS AN EMPLOYEE IN THAT TRUCK. DID YOU KNOW WHO IT WAS? AND FRANK WAS WITH HIM? WHAT? DID YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED? YEAH. WHILE YOU WERE CALLING, FRANK WAS WITH HIM HELPING HIM. HE HOLDING HIS HAND, HOLDING HIS HAND, HIM TO PICK UP THE PHONE. HE WAS HOLDING HIS BLOODY HAND AND YOU WANTED HIM TO ANSWER YOUR CALL. AND THEN, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T, YOU WANTED TO WRITE HIM UP FOR INSUBORDINATION. I'M THE GUY THAT FIXED THE PIPE. I'M SAYING NO, LEMME SAY WITH HIS STAFF. WELL, I WANT, WELL, I WANT, PAUL, LET ME SAY, LET ME ENOUGH IS ENOUGH SAID. YOU KNOW WHAT, INSTEAD OF FRANCIS, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU JUST WAS TRYING TO MAKE A THING OUT, WAS POINTING OUT THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, OH, IT WAS A TRUCK THAT FELL OVER. THERE WAS A PERSON IN THAT, WHAT DID I SAY BEFORE? THROW DOWN THE BLUNT ABOUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, ALL YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS DO WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE IN THE STOP. YES, YES, YES. SO LET KINDERGARTEN AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO INVOKE THE EMERGENCY. SO LET OPERATIONS, OPERATIONS, AND THAT PROCESS IS THROUGH THE CHIEF OF POLICE. I WANTED TO GET, SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT WRITTEN PROCESS DOWN. PLEASE. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FRANK. SHOULD WE HAVE WATER DEPARTMENT HEAD, WATER? ANDREW DONNELLY COULD ANSWER. DID YOU SAY TODAY THAT YOU KNOW WHO HE WAS STILL EMPLOYED. HE PRACTICALLY NEVER RESPONDS TO ANYTHING. BUT YOU NEVER CALLED DID YOU, DID YOU CALL HIM THAT TODAY? YOU SAID YOU DIDNT EVEN KNOW WE WORKED FOR US. OKAY. EVERYBODY. RICH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER. OH, I CALLED HIM AND HE HAD THE, AN, HE PICKED UP. HE SURE HE CALLED, HE CALLED AND PICKED UP FOR ME. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ACTUALLY CALLED HIM IS A MARINE, HE FOLLOWS THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. RIGHT. HE UNDERSTANDS THAT IF YOU SEND AN EMAIL TO THREE PEOPLE, HE WILL LET THE, THE WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE ANSWER THE EMAIL. THAT'S THE WAY THE MAN, THAT MAN, I, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH GOOD THINGS ABOUT ANDY DONNELLY. RIGHT? WE HAVE GREAT STAFF. HERE'S PAUL TODAY. PAUL DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HE STILL WORKED FOR US. NO, BECAUSE I SAID I DIDN'T GET, AND FIRST OF ALL, YOU DON'T WHAT'S YOU'RE SAYING. SO WHAT DID YOU SAY? WERE YOU AT THE MEETING? WHAT DID YOU SAY? WERE YOU AT THE MEETING? SO WHAT DID YOU SAY, PAUL? YOU WEREN'T AT THE MEETING. SO YOU WEREN'T AT THE MEETING. SO HOW CAN YOU KNOW WHAT WAS SAID? BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE I HAVE, HAVE CREDIBILITY. TAKE THE MEETING. THE PEOPLE WHO TOLD ME HAVE CREDIBILITY TAPE MACHINE IN THE MEETINGS. SO IS THAT WHAT THE WAY, OH, ARE YOU, ARE YOU REGRESSING THE KINDERGARTEN? HERE? COME ON. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE FRANCIS, YOU OH, NOT ME, NOT YOU, FRANCIS. YOU KNOW WHAT FRANCIS, YOU KNOW FRANK PAUL, WHEN YOU UNDERMINE UNDERCUT, YOU UNDERMINE MY JOB. OKAY? WHEN YOU UNDERMINE WHAT YOUR JOB IS, THAT'S ALL YOU, BECAUSE OF YOUR INEPTITUDE IN HANDLING THIS SITUATION, YOU WERE TRYING TO, AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE DONE AND I'LL SPEAK. THAT'S WHY, UH, OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. THIS IS, THIS IS WE NOW THAT, ARE YOU DONE? I'M DONE. MOVE ON. WHEN YOU UNDERMINE OUR STAFF, I GET UPSET. OKAY? WHEN YOU DO ANYTHING, MIND THE TOWN. I GET UPSET. PAUL. I WAITED UNTIL YOU, I WAITED. I, I WAITED UNTIL YOU WERE DONE. BECOME A LIABILITY TO THE I THE LIABILITY IS YOU, PAUL, YOU'RE THE LIABILITY. ALL RIGHT. ENOUGH FIGURED OUT. I JUST WANTED, I JUST WANT PROCESS CASE. DO WE KNOW HOW THE PERSON, EXCUSE ME, DO WE KNOW HOW THE PERSON IS DOING TODAY? THAT WAS IN THE, IN THE VEHICLE THAT PAUL JUST PASSED OVER. HE'S BETTER, HE'S DOING BETTER. TWO, UH, INJURIES THAT HE'S HAVING LOOKED AT. UH, HE'S ALSO A RESIDENT. HE'S A VERY DEDICATED EMPLOYEE. SURE. AND WE'RE WISHING HIM ALL THE BEST. YES. OKAY. AND I KNOW HE'LL BE BACK SOON TO CONTINUE DOING THE GREAT WORK HE DOES. RIGHT. OKAY. AS ALL OUR EMPLOYEES DO. RIGHT. WELL, I WANNA SAY IT AGAIN. WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THE STAFF WE GOT. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME, UM, TO THANK THE STAFF FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY DID THIS WEEKEND AND WISH A VERY SPEEDY RECOVERY FOR THE MAN THAT WAS INJURED [02:30:01] AND SOME GOOD MAKEUP SLEEP FOR ALL THOSE THAT WERE THROUGH THE NIGHT. AND WARM BLANKETS. YEAH. AND WARM BLANKETS. YEAH. WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE THEM, COMMISSIONER. APPRECIATE IT. UM, I JUST WANNA STATE, UM, THE RESIDENTS OF GIBSON AVENUE, THE RESIDENTS OF JUNIPER HILL, UM, AND, UH, EVERYONE WHO CALLED ME THE STATE THERE WAS A PROBLEM. WANTED TO THANK YOU. INCLUDING THE LEADERSHIP AT THE AFRICAN AMERICAN, UM, MEN OF WESTCHESTER BREAKFAST, WHO SAID, THANK YOU FOR GETTING IT TAKEN CARE OF SO QUICKLY. UM, AND JUST, THIS IS ALL THE CALLS THAT I RECEIVED. MM-HMM . AND SECOND CALL I MADE AFTER I GOT IT WAS MR. MOTO. RIGHT. SO I JUST WANTED, I WANNA SAY ON RECORD, I'VE GOT NOTHING BUT POSITIVE RESPONSE FOR WHAT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE THIS WEEKEND. AND THANK YOU. HE DOES PHENOMENAL WORK. THANKS. ALL GOES TO THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. ABSOLUTELY. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING DOWN FIVE FEET, SIX HOLE MUCK AND UP TO THEIR KNEES AND WATER, THAT IT'S FREEZING AS THE WATER IS TRYING IS IS STARTING TO, WITH THE SNOW COMING DOWN. THEY GOTTA GET THE WATER OUT. NO JOB. THANK YOU. OFF OF WORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW THERE'S SOMETHING EASY. HOUR BEHIND THE HOUR BEHIND. SO, SO CAN WE DO, DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE CALLING IN? WHAT, WHAT TIME? OH, OKAY. SO WHAT, WHAT TIME IS IT AUDIENCE WHO ARE, UM, OKAY. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL COUNSEL COMING INTO EXECUTIVE SPECIAL. OKAY. SO DRAINED AT THIS POINT. WELL, WE HAVE IT. WE COULD ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES, HAS ANYONE READ THROUGH IT? I HAVE. I, I'M, I'M GONNA BE FULLY TRANSPARENT IF YOU HAVE IT. I'M ON PAGE FOUR. OH, OKAY. I SENT IT LATE LAST DAY. SORRY. DO YOU WANNA DO THIS NEXT WEEK? YEAH, NO, THAT'S FINE. YES. , I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT. BUT I THINK WE NEED A LIGHT AGENDA THOUGH, IF WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET THROUGH. EXACTLY. I I THINK THIS IS AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF LONG DISCUSSION. I AGREE. I AGREE. SO EVERYONE'S GONNA READ THIS CAREFULLY AND PUT IN THEIR COMMENTS. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. DO WE REALLY STILL USE BACK? THAT'S WHAT I SAID. OH, I, I IT OUT. BUT I GUESS WE HAVE TO KEEP IT. OKAY. IT'S THE MOST SECURE WAY TO SEND IT IS, BUT PEOPLE HAVE, I DON'T HAVE A, I DON'T HAVE A FAX. NO, IT'S OKAY. SO HERE WE ARE GONNA DIGEST THAT AND OKAY. SO LET'S ADJUST THAT MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION. THANK YOU. OKAY. I MAKE A MOTION. SECOND EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING INDIVIDUAL AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE IN VARIOUS MATTERS. SECOND. SECOND IN FAVOR, AYE. GOOD. AND WE'RE NOT COMING BACK. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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