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UH, MEETING TODAY IS, UH, JANUARY 27TH AFTER, UH, FIVE 30.AND THE FIRST, UM, ITEM IS, UH, THE FORENSIC AUDIT.
KIMBERLY, YOU'D LIKE TO, WHY DON'T YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS.
MAYBE I WANTED TO PRESENT, BUT CORRECT.
WELL, THERE'S THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, JUST TELL US THE PROCESS, PLEASE.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T READ IT YET.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO DISSEMINATE IT.
DIFFERENTIATING IT FROM A YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AUDIT AND A REGULAR ANNUAL AUDIT? OKAY.
SO THE, THE ANNUAL AUDIT IS, UM, WE'RE THE ORDER, SO WHY DON'T WE JUST TELL YOU, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO YOU ARE, BUT JUST AGAIN, KNOW YOU ARE AND WHAT TOPIC YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO JUST EVERYONE IS CLEAR, PLEASE.
I'M THE COMPTROLLER FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS, UH, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ANNUAL AUDIT AND THE FORENSIC AUDIT, WHICH WAS JUST RECEIVED TODAY.
AND THE TOWN BOARD HAS NOT EVEN HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AT THIS POINT, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE IT EARLIER, BUT THEN THE SNOW DAY.
AND SO, NO, WE SHOULD, SHE SHOULD JUST GIVE IT, WE TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS.
SO THE ANNUAL AUDIT IS, UM, AN AUDIT THAT TAKES PLACE, OBVIOUSLY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
THEY COME IN TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE PRESENTED FAIRLY.
AND IN DOING THAT, THE AUDITORS WILL COME IN AND THEY'LL USE, UM, A SOFTWARE OR CASEWARE AND THEY'LL TAKE SAMPLES.
AND DEPENDING ON THOSE SAMPLES, UM, THEY MAY INVESTIGATE FURTHER DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY FIND.
AND IF WITHIN THOSE SAMPLES THERE ARE NO FINDINGS, THEN THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER.
SO THEY'LL LOOK AT ACCOUNTS, PAYROLL, PAYROLL, ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE, UM, AND THEY'LL PULL INVOICES, SORRY.
AND IF THEY DON'T FIND ANYTHING, THEY WON'T PULL ANY ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO LOOK AT CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SAMPLES, SAY 10 IN EACH CATEGORY.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT POLICIES, UM, PROCEDURES, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THOSE, AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS ARE PRESENTED FAIRLY.
SO THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS THAT WE'VE CREATED.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR TRIAL BALANCE BALANCES OUT.
ALL OUR DEBITS EQUALED OUR CREDITS, THAT ALL OUR FIXED ASSETS ARE IN PLACE.
UM, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT OUR DEBT SERVICE, UH, DEBT CEILING.
THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL, YOU KNOW, UM, NET STATEMENT AND NET POSITION.
UH, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT OUR BUDGET TO ACTUAL, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUDGETARY OVERAGES BY LAW.
AND THEN IF WE DO, WE HAVE TO, UH, AS YOU KNOW, TRANSFER MONEY.
SO THAT'S JUST LIKE A SURFACE AUDIT THAT THEY DO.
A FORENSIC AUDIT IS MORE IN DEPTH.
THIS IS MY FIRST TIME GOING THROUGH A FORENSIC AUDIT.
UM, SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING.
SO WHERE, AS OUR AUDITORS ARE GETTING A TRIAL BALANCE, WHERE THEY'RE LOOKING AT ROLLUPS, THE FORENSIC AUDIT IS LOOKING AT THE GL DETAIL.
SO IF YOU HAVE A LINE ITEM, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE BUDGET, SAY YOU HAVE A LINE ITEM, I'LL JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE, LIKE OFFICE SUPPLIES.
SO WHEN YOU REVIEW THE BUDGET, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE TOTAL, SAY $500 IN BUDGET SUPPLIES, UM, THAT WERE EXPENSED.
WHEREAS THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT MAKES UP THAT $500.
SO THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVERY LINE ITEM THAT GOES INTO THAT.
AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE DIFFERENCE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE DETAIL BEHIND THE, THE TRIAL BALANCE.
UM, UH, THIS, UH, AUDIT GOES UP TO 2023 AND THEY MAKE, UH, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH I THINK IS GOOD.
UM, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE AUDIT AND WHEN WE ARE, WHEN WE'RE READY TO DISCUSS THE FINDINGS, ADVISE, UM, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN CONTROLLER, IF, UM, ANY OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY IDENTIFIED UP TILL 2023 HAVE BEEN RESOLVED? BECAUSE, UM, UM, AGAIN, NOW IT'S 2026 AND, YOU KNOW, MY FAILING FROM THE BEGINNING WAS, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD DO GOING FORWARD TO, UM, TO CORRECT ANY, UM, ANY MISTAKES OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WANT TO IMPROVE, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'VE DONE, SO, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN GIVE US, UM, UH, YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON, UH, SORRY.
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IF YOU COULD GIVE US, IF YOU COULD GIVE US THOUGHTS ON, SO COULD YOU JUST TURN OFF THE RINGER? OKAY.I'M, I'M, WELL, I, I'M, THAT'S VERY DISRUPTING.
I WILL, I'LL, SO COULD YOU JUST, I AM SORRY.
DID YOU WANNA TURN OFF THE RINGER? MAYBE? YES, I'M OKAY.
SO COULD YOU, UH, I, COULD YOU POSSIBLY, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT IT AND TELL US IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU'VE CHANGED SINCE YOU'VE BEEN IN? YES.
YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING OF A FORENSIC AUDIT IS TO LOOK IN DEPTH AND I'M SURE THE CONTROLLER HASN'T HAD TIME IN TO MAKE COMPARISONS OR SOME THINGS THAT ROSE TO THE TOP, WHICH SHE WAS ABLE TO CORRECT.
BUT THE IDEA OF THE FORENSIC AUDIT IS FINDING OUT IN MORE DETAIL IF THERE ARE MORE THINGS THAT SHE NEEDS TO CORRECT.
SO NOW THAT SHE, ONCE WE'VE ABSORBED THIS, SHE, ONCE THE CONTROLLER HAS ABSORBED IT, SHE'LL KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED THAT SHE HASN'T, UM, FOUND IN AS YET.
SO THE ONLY ITEM THAT IS WITHIN MY DEPARTMENT TO CORRECT IS THE CASH.
AND THAT WAS THE FACT THAT THE BANK RECONCILIATIONS WERE NOT, WERE NOT COMPLETED FOR, UH, HAS, FROM WHAT I KNOW FOR UP TO THREE YEARS, DUE TO RECONCILING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TAX DEPARTMENT AND THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE.
AND I WENT BACK AND MY TEAM AND WE CORRECTED THOSE.
THE OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE DEFICIENCIES AND FINDINGS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE MANAGEMENT OF THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE.
WELL, MAYBE WHILE WE COULD DO IS SHARE, UH, THIS WITH THE, THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ASK, UH, THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT HEADS IF, UH, THEY COULD REVIEW IT AND TO PROVIDE THE TOWN BOARD WITH FOLLOW UP AS TO, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY'RE GONNA HANDLE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS GOING FORWARD.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BEST.
YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO RECONCILE ALL THE PRIOR YEARS, RIGHT? YOU ONLY, NO, I ONLY WENT BACK ONE YEAR AND RECONCILED.
AND THEN ALL OF THE BANK RECS NOW UNDER, UM, ME ARE UP TO DATE.
SO WHAT THE YEAR WOULD BE 23 OR 24? SO 23 AND PART OF 24.
'CAUSE I CAME IN IN THE MIDDLE OF 24.
I I DO KNOW THAT 22, UH, WAS STILL HAD PLUGS IN IT.
COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT A PLUG IS? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT'S A FORCED ENTRY TO MAKE THE CASH BALANCE OUT TO MAKE, IS THERE ANYTHING TO BACK IT UP? THE PLUGS? YES.
I WELL I HAVE THE ENTRIES, RIGHT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IS THERE, THERE'S THERE'S ACTUALLY MONEY THAT GOES BEHIND THE PLUG.
IT'S NOT JUST SAYING, I'M JUST GOING TO PUT IN A NUMBER.
NO, THERE'S NOTHING TO BACK IT UP.
THERE'S NO BACKUP UP WITH THE ENTRY.
THAT'S HOW I KNEW THEY WERE PLUGS.
SO TALK TO ME LIKE, I DON'T WANNA SAY THAT 'CAUSE SOMEBODY MAY AGREE WITH ME.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN
WELL, IT'S A SYSTEM OF BALANCES.
ALL THE DEBITS AND CREDITS HAVE TO EQUAL AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RECONCILING THE CASH.
SO ALL THE CASH THAT IS ON THE STATEMENT, ON THE BANK STATEMENT THAT COMES IN AND GOES OUT HAS TO RECONCILE TO WHAT'S IN OUR LEDGER.
ALSO HAS TO MATCH WHAT COMES IN AND WHAT GOES OUT.
SO THERE WERE ENTRIES MADE TO MAKE IT WHOLE.
SO LET ME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN REALLY SIMPLIFY THIS.
YOU HAVE $5, YOU HAVE $5 AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU SAY YOU HAVE $10, BUT YOU ONLY HAVE FIVE.
YOU JUST ADD $5 TO IT AND NOW IT RECONCILES TO 10.
THERE'S NOTHING TO BACK IT UP.
LIKE YOU, LIKE IF YOU WROTE THAT IN YOUR CHECKBOOK UP, BUT YOU ACTUALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BANK.
I UNDERSTOOD WHEN SHE EXPLAINED IT.
VERY SIMPLE TERMS. VERY SIMPLE.
SO WHAT IS OUR PROCESS? OH, I'M, YOU COULD GO.
NO, YEAH, SO WE'RE GONNA BE REVIEW IT AND THERE'S GONNA BE A FOLLOW UP MEETING, SAY NEXT WEEK OR TWO WEEKS, WHENEVER YOU WANT.
WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS AND REALLY, RIGHT.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE THE COMPANY MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE TOWN BOARD OR DO I'M JUST SAYING, OR I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARY.
I MEAN, WE WOULD PROBABLY TAKE IT FROM HERE AND ADDRESS EACH ISSUE.
YEAH, YOU CAN TURN IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO STRETCH SO MUCH.
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RECOMMENDATION OF SENDING IT TO THE DEPARTMENTS TO START HANDLING THINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, I SEE FORECLOSURE ISSUES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS WELL KNOWN.UM, THAT WILL BE FOR MY OFFICE TO CORRECT.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF CORRECTING IT.
SO THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS TOO.
WE WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK TO THEM.
HERE'S THE ISSUE, JUST FROM THE HEADINGS.
SO HOW WILL THAT, HOW WILL THOSE, UM, HOW WILL WE CONNECT WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AT THAT? YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOUR OFFICE ACTUALLY HANDLES? 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT RIGHT.
'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE DIRECT WATER, UH, OVERSIGHT AT THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
SO HOW WOULD, WOULD THE TOWN BOARD THEN BE SENDING IT TO THE DEPARTMENTS? I WOULD THINK THE LIAISON TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT OR OKAY.
AND YOU, WHY DON'T WE HAVE JOE CALL THE DEPARTMENT? I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU COULD DIRECT ME TO SEND IT TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
CLEAN DO WE WANT, AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE GOING UP ON THE WEBSITE TOO.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD POST THIS ON THE WEBSITE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE, UH, SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, THEN THE PUBLIC SHOULD BASICALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S GREAT.
I MEAN THERE ARE SOME GLOBAL ITEMS ALSO.
UM, BUT I THINK THAT DECISION THAT HAVE TO BE MADE, WHAT I SAID IT IS DISCLOSABLE.
NO, I WAS ASKING, I THINK THAT IF, IF, UM, SINCE WE ARE GONNA BE POSTING IT ON THE WEBSITE, WE BASICALLY SHOULD, UM, INDICATE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT IF THEY WANT TO COME UP WITH A RESPONSE, WE'LL PUT THEIR RESPONSE ON THE WEBSITE ALSO.
UM, BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY HAVE HOW YOU DO THAT, BUT, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S YOUR, IF THAT'S YOUR PROCESS THAT YOU, WE, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND.
WELL, OR THEY SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE, THEY SHOULD BE RESOLVING THOSE ISSUES.
I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WELL, BUT THERE DOES HAVE TO BE A DISCUSSION AS TO HOW THEY'RE GONNA RESOLVE THE ISSUES, DON'T YOU THINK? I MEAN, RIGHT.
THERE SHOULD BE A PLAN OF ACTION OF HOW YOU RESOLVE IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
AND THAT'S ASSUMING THEY'RE RESOLVE A POLL.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S A DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE ITEMS ARE GLOBAL WHERE A DECISION HAS TO BE MADE.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I HAD MENTIONED THE $8 MILLION OF DEBT SERVICE THAT WAS UNSPENT, THAT HAS TO GO BACK OR WE HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON IT TO THE IRS.
SO THAT WOULD BE A GLOBAL DECISION TO MADE.
WHY DON'T WE PUT THIS BACK ON FOR NEXT WEEK OKAY.
FOR DISCUSSION AFTER WE'VE READ IT.
WHERE'S UM, OH, I THOUGHT SHE WAS HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS GONNA BE FOR NEXT WEEK.
I THOUGHT HOLLY WAS GONNA BE HERE.
SHE SAID SHE'S COMING IN FOR THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, SO, OKAY.
NOW WE'RE, NOW WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE AND WE COULD HAVE DID THE SOCIAL MEDIA.
OH, WE HELD OVER SOCIAL MEDIA.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BECAUSE WE SAID I HEARD, I HEARD IT.
WE STILL NEED TO GET THAT, SPEND AT LEAST AN HOUR DOING IT.
THE POLICY'S VERY HARD TO READ BECAUSE IT'S ALL LEFT, LEFT MARGIN, NO INDENTS WHATSOEVER.
AND, UM, TO RESEND IT WITH DIFFERENT FORMATTING.
COULD WE JUST MAKE IT SO THAT AS YOU GET DEEPER AND DEEPER INTO A PARTICULAR CATEGORY, THAT IT STAYS IN THAT CATEGORY? YES.
THERE'S ALSO A, UH, THANK YOU CREATIVE USE OF THE ALPHABET AND ON ONE OF THEM.
THE PART WE DID GET THROUGH WAS THE, THE ORGANIZATION.
WE DID GO THROUGH MOST OF THAT AND WE GAVE YOU NOTES AND STUFF.
THE UNDERLYING STRIKEOUTS IS ON THAT THERE? NO, NO, NO.
NOT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR THE ORGANIZATION PART, BUT WITH THE COMMITTEES AND ALL THAT, THAT'S A SEPARATE DOCUMENT FROM THIS.
SO WE DOING THAT, WE DOING THAT AGAIN TONIGHT TOO? OR I'M ASKING FRANCIS.
OH, HOWIE MADE THOSE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE.
SO ARE YOU TRYING, I'M ASKING, ARE YOU TRYING TO DO THIS TONIGHT? THE, THE NEW ORGANIZATION, WHAT I'M ASKING GOES TOGETHER.
REORG WAS VERY PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
THE REORGANIZATION DOCUMENT HAD THE CHANGES PROPOSED YES.
SO WE, WE NEED, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS DONE RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
YOU THOUGHT IT WAS COMPLETED? WE DID COMPLETE IT, YES.
WE NEVER SAW THE FINAL VERSION, SO I DUNNO.
SO WE HAVE TO KEEP THE FACTS IN.
HAVE TO DO WHAT? THE FACTS, WHAT'S, SO ARE WE, HOW ARE WE DOING THIS? ARE WE GOING THROUGH, ARE WE GOING THROUGH EACH
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NUMBER? WHAT'S THE PROCESS? GEORGE? UH, WELL, CHRIS, THAT I BOTH PUT, UH, SUGGESTIONS IN HERE.I DON'T KNOW IF YOU OR ELLEN HAD ADDITIONAL ONES.
I WRITTEN MY, I WROTE MINES OUT.
I THOUGHT WE WAS GONNA PAD THAT PART AS THE DISCUSSION SCRIBBLED MINE DOWN TOO.
WELL I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GO FROM, ALRIGHT, WELL JOE, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO? I THINK YOU SHOULD GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT FROM THE BEGINNING AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY DISAGREEMENT, YOU MIGHT NEED A VOTE TONIGHT TO SAY, WHAT ARE WE PUTTING ON THE RESOLUTION FOR FINAL APPROVAL, WHICH IS A VOTE ON THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.
OF COURSE, ANYONE AT THAT POINT COULD ALSO MAKE A VOTE LOOKING TO AMEND OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
BUT I THINK IT'S CLEANER IF YOU ALL COME TO A MAJORITY CONSENSUS TONIGHT.
PUT THE DOCUMENT ON THE AGENDA, UM, FOR, FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
SO DID ANYONE HAVE ANY, ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING WITH NUMBER ONE? I'LL START IT OFF.
ARE WE, IS THERE ANY CHANGES TO NUMBER ONE? ANY CHANGES TO NUMBER ONE? OH, SO WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT NUMBER ONE FIRST? I'M TRYING TO, I'M TRYING TO ENGAGE EVERYONE.
NO ONE'S LISTENING, NO ONE'S SPEAKING.
ANY ISSUES WITH NUMBER ONE? NO.
NOW THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR RESPONDING.
SO I, THE ONLY THING I ASKED AND I THINK ASKED AND ANSWERED THAT WE STILL HAVE TO UTILIZE THE FAX NUMBER BECAUSE WE STILL UTILIZE FACTS.
THAT'S WHY I JUST THOUGHT WE WOULDN'T DO AN, WE WEREN'T DOING THAT ANYMORE.
WE, SO WE HAVE TO LEGALLY AS PART OF PROCESS.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED TO, OKAY.
IS THERE ANYTHING FOR NUMBER TWO? ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
UM, WHEN WE SPECIFY, UM, I MAY NOT MAKE IT TO UPON NOT LESS THAN TWO DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE SERVED PERSONALLY OR IN THE RESIDENT OF EACH TOWN BOARD MEMBER OR UPON WRITTEN NOTICE, DULY, POSTMARK, YADA, YADA, YADA.
BUT THAT THERE, SHOULD IT SPECIFY BY EMAIL OR THAT IT'S OKAY BY EMAIL OR IT DOESN'T, OR IT'S, THAT'S KIND OF GENERIC AND COVERED.
YOU COULD DO IT BY EMAIL AS WELL TO CALL SPECIAL MEETING.
YOU'RE SAYING FOR B THAT'S HOW WE ALWAYS DO IT.
WE DON'T DO YOU TALKING ABOUT B? WELL, IT'S A AND B ACTUALLY IT'S A
SO IN ANY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING WAYS.
SO WRITTEN WRITTEN COULD BE EMAIL OR THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN BOARD MEMBER OR POSTMARK FOR FIVE DAYS IN ADVANCE.
WELL, I GUESS IT SAYS EFFORT SHALL ALSO BE MADE TO EMAIL.
I I AND I DIDN'T CROSS OUT THAT NOTE.
EFFORT SHALL ALSO BE MADE TO EMAIL AND OR FAX SUCH NOTES TO EACH BOARD MEMBER WHO REQUESTS SUCH NOTICE PROVIDED SUCH EMAIL, FAX NUMBERS ON FILE WITH THE TOWN CLERK.
DO YOU WANNA INCLUDE, PERHAPS YOU COULD WAIVE THE SERVICE REQUIREMENTS THROUGH, UM, PERSONAL OR RESIDENCE IF THE, IF THE BOARD MEMBERS CHOOSE, SINCE THAT'S NEVER OUR PRACTICE, IT MIGHT MIGHT AS WELL CHANGE THAT.
SO THEN WE WOULD MAKE EFFORT AND MAKE THAT A ONE, MAKE THAT A, A CHANGE THAT TO THE, A EMAIL OR SUCH NOTICE SHOULD BE BOARD MEMBER REQUEST SUCH NOTICE PROVIDED BY EMAIL AND THEM.
SO WE MAKE THAT AS, AS THE FOLLOW ONE OF THE FOLLOW WAYS.
WELL, WE COULD JUST SAY FOR A, WE COULD SAY UPON UPON NOT LESS THAN TWO DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE SERVED VIA EMAIL.
YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THE INTERNET'S WORKING, BUT WE DON'T EVER RIGHT, RIGHT.
UM, SO, BUT WE DON'T, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE SENT ANYTHING OUT VIA POSTAL MAIL.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS, THIS IS DESIGNED IF THERE'S A CONTENTIOUS ISSUE AND MM-HMM
SOMEBODY'S TRYING NOT TO NOTIFY SOMEBODY ELSE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO ADDRESS AT THE, UH, THE TYPICAL, THE TYPICAL, UH, EVERYBODY SHOWS UP HERE ON A TUESDAY.
WELL, NO, IT SAYS SPECIAL MEETINGS.
IT COULD BE SATURDAY MORNING AT 6:00 AM RIGHT, RIGHT.
BUT THIS IS NOTIFICATION OF SPECIAL MEETINGS.
WE ALL KNOW TO COME HERE ARE TUESDAYS, YOU KNOW, HOW ABOUT WE MAKE THAT DISTINCTION? SPECIAL MEETINGS CALLED AT 5:30 PM ON TUESDAYS CAN BE DONE VIA EMAIL.
SPECIAL MEETINGS IN ANY OTHER TIME SHOULD BE HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, TOWN LAW SECTION 62.
UM, WILL WE DO SPECIAL MEETINGS AT OTHER TIMES TOO? I'M JUST SAYING WE, THAT'S OUR PRIMARY, I CAN'T RECALL ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING AT A DIFFERENT TIME AT THIS POINT.
UM, IN REFERENCE TO COUNCILWOMAN HAY WAS SAYING I WASN'T, WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE EFFORT A
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AND THEN MAKE A B AND THEN BCAB DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THERE'S AN OR IS THAT ONE FOR ME OR NO? I'M COUNCIL.IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE'S A OR B BECAUSE THERE'S AN OR IN IT COUNT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN R IN IT.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A OR B BECAUSE IT HAS AN R IN IT.
I'M ON MY, I'M ON WORK SESSION.
MY POINT, MY POINT IS JUST THAT OUR PRIMARY FORM OF COMMUNICATION, THIS WAS WRITTEN WHEN POSTAL MAIL WAS THE PRIMARY FORM OF COMMUNICATION.
THAT'S NOT OUR PRIMARY FORM OF COMMUNICATION ANYMORE.
SO I WOULD IMAGINE IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2024.
WAS IT EVER LOOKED AT FOR UPDATING? UH, WE GENERALLY GO THROUGH THIS, RIGHT, BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT.
SO WHAT'S THE SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? THERE SHOULDN'T BE NOTICED TO A RESIDENCE.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT NO, THIS IS NOTICED TO THE BOARD MEMBERS.
WE DON'T GET NOTICES TO OUR RESIDENCES THOUGH.
NO, I IS MY POINT TO OUR RIGHT.
THAT WAS WHY I BROUGHT UP, RIGHT? SO, SO I THOUGHT WE WOULD, I THOUGHT WHEN WE FIRST TALKED, WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP, SO WHY CAN'T WE MOVE EFFORT SHALL AND MAKE THAT INTO A CAN WE DO THAT? I MEAN, WE, WE SWITCH, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE WORDING UP A LITTLE BIT TO REFLECT.
I THINK THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS YOU'RE NOT JUST MAKING THE EFFORT.
YOU ACTUALLY REACH THE PERSON.
DON'T I MAKE AN EFFORT TO EMAIL YOU? RIGHT.
I GOT TIRED HALFWAY THROUGH, BUT I MADE THE EFFORT.
I MADE, OH, I DIDN'T HIT SEND
BUT THAT'S A SECONDARY METHOD.
THE FIRST METHOD IS, IS POSTAL MAIL.
SO WHY DON'T WE CHANGE IT? RIGHT? SEEMS CLEAR TO ME.
IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH EFFORT TO MAKE IT A OR NO? WELL, EFFORT IS NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT THIS IS OUR, OUR PROCEED EFFORT IS LIKE A SECONDARY THING TO SAY.
IN CASE OF THAT NOT HAPPENING, WE WILL TRY, WE WILL DO THIS AND THIS AND THIS AS WELL.
NO, OUR PRIMARY METHOD IS TO EMAIL.
AND ACTUALLY, IF, IF INTERNET IS NOT AVAILABLE, WE WILL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO SEND A POSTAL
SO UPON, WELL ACTUALLY, SO THEY NEED A RECORD.
THE LANGUAGE RIGHT AFTER B DOES STATE THAT IF YOU HAVE A VOTE IN A REGULAR MEETING TO SCHEDULE THE SPECIAL MEETING, YOU DON'T NEED THE NOTICE SERVED ABOVE.
YOU MIGHT WANNA CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE TO NOTICE IS STATED IN A AND B ABOVE IS NOT REQUIRED FOR A BOARD MEMBER WHO VOTES AT A REGULAR MEETING OR WORK SESSION TO SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING.
'CAUSE A LOT OF TIMES YOU DO SCHEDULE SPECIAL MEETINGS DURING THE WEST.
IN OTHER WORDS, A AND B IS WHERE SOMEBODY'S, IT COULD BE YOU'RE DELIBERATELY NOT TRYING TO HAVE SOMEBODY PRESENT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE REGULAR MEETINGS, IF YOU SHOW UP, YOU GOT NOTICE, REMEMBER THAT HAPPENS ON THE ZONING BOARD AS WELL.
I NEVER GOT A NOTICE, BUT YOU'RE HERE.
RIGHT? SO SOMEHOW YOU, SO SOMEHOW YOU GOT NOTICE.
UH, UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S REFERRING TO THE MEETING BEFOREHAND.
RIGHT? SO IF YOU DECIDE THE MEETING BEFOREHAND, RIGHT? SO IF YOU JUST CHANGE THE WORDING IN THE, IN AFTER BA NOTICE NOT REQUIRED FOR SOMEONE WHO VOTES AT A REGULAR MEETING OR WORK SESSION, YOU'RE BA YOU'RE COVERING YOURSELF THAT THIS WOULD BE LIKE IF THE SUPERVISOR CALLED, AND I'M USING THE SUPERVISOR AT HIS EXAMPLE, BECAUSE TOWN LAW SECTION TWO USES A SUPERVISOR.
IF HE SAID ON FRIDAY MORNING, WE HAVE A MEETING TONIGHT AT, OR YOU KNOW, MONDAY AT THIS TIME.
HE WOULD HAVE TO SERVE YOU IN THESE WAYS.
UNLESS YOU ALL AMONGST YOURSELVES VOTED AT A MEETING PRIOR TO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING MONDAY AT THIS TIME THAT WAIVES THE REQUIREMENTS A AND B.
SO IF YOU JUST ADD OR WORK SESSION DOWN HERE, THAT WOULD, I THINK THAT WOULD SATISFY EVERYBODY AT A REGULAR MEETING OR A WORK SESSION.
RIGHT? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF TIMES SPECIAL MEETINGS ARE SCHEDULED WHILE WE SIT HERE DURING A WORK SESSION.
AND IF A BOARD MEMBER'S REMOTE, THEN THEY'RE STILL TUNING IN.
SO IF THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE RIGHT, THEN THAT WOULD APPLY, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T PROCEED WITH THE MEETING UNLESS WE HAD A PHYSICAL QUORUM PUBLICLY NOTICED.
BUT IF, IF A MEMBER IS, IF WE HAVE THE QUORUM IN PERSON AND A MEMBER IS ON ZOOM, THEY VOTE YES.
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SO, BUT WE DON'T SAY THAT, DO WE? WE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD SPELL IT OUT AT THIS POINT.AND THEN THE OUR TOWN CODE DECIPHERS WHO CAN VOTE VIA ZOOM.
SO CAN WE CONDENSE THIS AT ALL? IT'S AWFULLY WORRY FOR WHAT IT'S ABOUT
I WOULD, I WOULD LEAVE IT IN CASE YOU NEED IT EVENTUALLY.
ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO THREE OR ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT TWO? I'M WONDERING IF ON ON TWO WE MAKE A C, WHICH BASICALLY SAYS, UM, OR BY EMAIL PROVIDED EACH BOARD MEMBER ACKNOWLEDGES RECEIPT, THEN YOU'RE CHANGING EVEN MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE TOWN LAW SECTION 62 DOESN'T SPEAK TO EMAIL.
IT SPEAKS TO THESE TWO TYPES OF METHODS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A, SOME KIND OF A COMPROMISE IN BETWEEN.
WE CAN LEAVE IT THE WAY IT'S, I THINK IT'S CLEANER.
SORRY, I'M WEIGHING WAY TOO MUCH IN THE POLICY.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS FOR EVERYONE.
I I THINK THAT IT'S SIMPLER AND MORE EFFICIENT FOR A RESIDENT TO SEE THAT VOTE IN PERSON VIA EMAILS.
THEY MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY SEE MM-HMM
I'M LOOKING AT THE NOTICING PART, NOT THE ACTUALITY OF THE VOTING.
THAT'S WHAT THE PART PART, THAT'S THE NOTICE PART IS IN TOWN LAW SECTION 62, WHICH WE CAN'T CHANGE.
SO THAT'S ALL WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE TOWN LAW.
THIS IS TOWN LAW BY THE STATE, NOT OUR TOWN ORDINANCE.
SO WE'RE NOT IN, WE'RE NOT UM, NOT IN COMPLIANCE IF WE'RE NOT SENDING POSTAL MAIL.
YOU ARE, YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU'RE WAIVING IT VIA A VOTE OFFICIAL VOTE IN PUBLIC, UH, WITH THE NEXT SECTION.
AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE THE VOTE TO, TO WAIVE THE POSTAL MAILING.
NO, YOU HAVE A VOTE TO HAVE THE SPECIAL MEETING.
WHERE THAT WOULD KICK IN IS IF SOMEBODY DID NOT SHOW UP AT THAT SPECIAL MEETING AND THEN SAID, I NEVER GOT NOTICE.
BUT IF YOU'RE SHOWING UP AT THE MEETING, YOU GOT NOTICE.
UNLESS, WELL, BUT YOU STILL GOT NOTICE.
WHY DON'T YOU SPECIFY WHAT YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT? I READ IT.
I WAS TELLING THIS WAS, UM, THIS WAS ABOUT THE LAST THING THAT YOU WERE INQUIRED ABOUT.
ARE WE NOW MOVING TO THREE? UM, I SAID QUESTION.
WHAT SPECIAL MEETINGS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ME? I WAS SHOWING YOU SPECIAL MEETINGS.
UM, SO IT SAYS THE TOWN COUNCIL AID WILL COLLECT A WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
ARE WE ON TWO OR THREE? I DON'T, I THOUGHT WE WERE, I WAS JUST GIVING THAT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ON FIRST.
SO YOU WANNA PUT A PEN IN AND JOY CAN READ AND JOY CAN READ IT OR YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO HER WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU WANT HER TO READ.
OH, WITH, WITH SPECIAL MEETINGS.
YOU WERE, I WAS JUST SHOWING YOU THE STATUTE WHERE, UM, THE, UH, TOWN WE BELIEVED HIM.
JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WANT WANNA, I DON'T KNOW IF, I DUNNO IF THAT'S A STATUTE OR THEIR EXPLANATION OF THE STATUTE.
IS THAT ALRIGHT? IS IT OKAY THAT WE GO TO THREE? YEAH.
AND THAT'S WHERE I HAD THE QUESTION AND THAT'S WHY I ON TIME, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION, LISA? YES.
SAYS THE TOWN COUNCIL AIDE WILL COLLECT VIA EMAIL ALL ITEMS PROPOSED FOR THE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS AND INCORPORATE THEM INTO THE DOCUMENT ENTITLED, UH, PROPOSED WORK SESSION AGENDA FOR DATE.
UH, TOWN COUNCIL AIDE WILL CIRCULATE DOCUMENT, PROPOSED WORK SESSION AGENDA, UH, WITH THE TITLE AND SUBJECT SUBJECT LINE.
EMAIL THURSDAY TOWN ATTORNEY, TOWN CLERK AND CONTROL WILL BE COPIED ON THE DISTRIBUTION STOP THERE.
WHAT'S THE QUESTION? THE QUESTION.
SO, OKAY, SO, BUT THE DATE, THE, THE TIMING OF THAT, I THINK HOLLY WANTS TO HAVE, WELL GUESS WHAT? WELL I HAVE THAT IN THERE.
IS THAT TIME, IS THAT TIMEFRAME DOABLE? SO I HAVE A QUESTION THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS EARLIER, MAYBE ON WEDNESDAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THAT TO WEDNESDAY.
SO WEDNESDAY, IS THERE A WEDNESDAY AT FIVE? IS THERE A WEDNESDAY? IT'S END OF DAY WEDNESDAY AT THAT TIME.
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SIX SEVEN THURSDAY, THAT'S THE SONG, RIGHT? SO, OKAY.ALRIGHT, SO YOU ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, CLERK.
SO I HAVE EVERYTHING 'CAUSE I WAS COMPARING IT TO THE LAST, THE LAST DOCUMENT AND THAT, THAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS WHEN I CANNOT FIND IT.
THESE ARE JUST, THESE ARE ADDITIONS TO THE, THE, I DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES.
THESE ARE ADDITIONS TO WHAT WAS ALREADY IS ALREADY THERE.
I DO NOT RE REMOVE ANYTHING OR WHATEVER'S IN RED IS WHAT I SUGGESTED AS ADDITIONS FOR OUR WORK SESSIONS.
IT, IT, IT WAS, BUT I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT I HAD THIS ALL READY FOR LAST WEEK.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION WHY YOU'RE SEARCHING THROUGH YOUR THINGS? SURE, OF COURSE.
SO JUST SEE, I JUST WANNA KNOW, IS THAT REALISTIC? BECAUSE WE SAID TOWN ATTORNEY, TOWN CLERK COMPTROLLER WILL BE COPIED ON DISTRIBUTION.
MY QUESTION IS, SHOULD THAT BE DONE AT FINALIZATION WHEN WE FINALIZE EVERYTHING? SO THERE'S NOT ALWAYS DIFFERENT COPIES FLOATING AROUND.
WE ALWAYS, YOU GOT THIS SECTION, YOU GOT THIS COPY, I HAVE THIS COPY.
WE JUST WANNA HAVE THAT FINAL COPY.
GO TO TOWN ATTORNEY WHO YOU HAVE DOWN AT COUNCIL EIGHT PEOPLE WEIGH IN ON THE ITEMS. THEY DO.
SO I JUST, OKAY, SO WE JUST, ALRIGHT.
UM, CAN WE PUT OR THERE DESIGNEE JUST IN CASE? MM-HMM.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY? WELL, YOU COULD HAVE JUST SAID THAT.
NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M ON VACATION.
I GIVE IT TO MY FIRST DEPUTY OR TOWN CLERK OR DESIGNEE.
UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AGENDA AGAIN, IT'S PART OF THE TOWN CLERK'S RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHEN IT, IT WAS STATED TOWN CLERK DEPUTY OR DESIGNEE PREVIOUSLY, NOW IT JUST SAYS TOWN CLERK EIGHT.
IT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING BEFORE.
NOT FOR THE WORK SESSION AGENDA.
NO, WE HAD NO LANGUAGE FOR THAT.
I THINK YOU MIGHT BE THINKING, I THINK YOU, THE BOARD MEETING IT WAS DEFINITELY IN, IN RULES.
UM, BUT WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IN STATE LAW TOWN LAW DOES IT SAY THAT THE CLERK DOES THE AGENDA? OKAY, SO THEY DO THE MINUTES.
AND, AND WHEN IT SAYS FOR MEETINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I GOT
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE COPYING ALL THESE PEOPLE WHEN WE HAVEN'T EVEN FINALIZED WHETHER OR NOT THE TOPICS ARE REALISTIC.
THAT'S WHAT I, 'CAUSE JOE JUST SAID THAT HE WEIGHS IN ON THE AGENDA AND I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE, OH, I, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
I KNOW, BUT WE HAVE THE CONTROLLER, KIMBERLY HAS SAID TO ME, OH, I DON'T GET, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE AGENDA.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
AND I WASN'T, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S MORE FOR A, BUT GARY COULD SAY THE SAME THING AND JOE LUCCHESE COULD SAY THE SAME THING AND RICH ABOUT, AND RICH COULD SAY THE SAME THING.
AND SHE, TO THEIR DEPARTMENT, THEY NEED TO GIVE BE GIVEN ADVANCE NOTICE.
SHE'S ASKED YOU A BUNCH OF TIMES, RIGHT? WHAT FOR AGENDA? FOR THE AGENDA? HONESTLY, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
YEAH, SHE'S ASKED YOU TO CC HER ON THE AGENDA.
RIGHT, BUT WAIT, WE WE'RE NOT CREATING THE AGENDA YET HAPPEN.
THIS IS DOING A LIST OF TOPICS THAT MAY BE ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
ONCE IT GETS TO MORE FINALIZED, RIGHT, THEN EVERYBODY CAN BE COPIED.
BUT YOU GOT TOO MANY HANDS IN THE POT, THEN EVERYBODY SHOULD BE COPIED.
RIGHT? YOU GOT SO MANY HANDS IN THE POT, IT GETS CONFUSING.
SO C DOESN'T, SO C DOESN'T PERTAIN TO THE PROPOSED WORK SESSION.
C PERTAINS TO THE FINALIZED EXCEPT FOR JOE
JOE, YEAH, JOE SHOULD BE IN ON THE BEGINNING.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT MAKES SENSE.
ARE YOU SHOULD, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? UM, AS FAR AS DESIGNEE OR NO, WE ARE, WE'RE FINE WITH DESIGNEE IS FINE.
BUT LIKE I SAID, UM, AND I'M SO SORRY THAT IT'S NOT HERE AND ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE DOING ALL THIS, BUT, UM, IT JUST SAYS AS THE, AND WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT TOWN LAW, BUT IT'S PART OF MY MANUAL, BUT IT'S NOT TOWN LAW.
BUT IN THE TOWN LAW, DOES IT SAY TOWN, UM, TOWN COUNCIL AID? NO, NO, IT DEFINITELY DOES NOT SAY THAT.
BUT IT DEFINITELY DOES NOT SAY, 'CAUSE WE WENT THROUGH THIS, WE HAD A PREVIOUS CLERK AND UM, THE PREVIOUS CLERK WAS REQUIRED TO DO WHATEVER A CLERK IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
ONE OF THOSE WAS NOT CREATING THE AGENDA.
IT WAS DOING THE MINUTES, BUT NOT THE AGENDA.
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OKAY.THAT IS TYPICALLY WHAT, HOW IT'S DONE.
THE CLERK TYPICALLY DOES DO IT.
THERE IS DISCRETION FOR IT TO BE OTHER PEOPLE.
THAT IS THE, THE LAW THAT I'VE READ.
I I I'M, I'M NOT MAKING THAT DECISION.
I'M JUST NO, NO, I I'M JUST SAYING I WAS JUST ADDING FOR COMMUNICATION PURPOSES THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THE AGENDA.
THAT WAS MY, YOU'RE BRINGING UP A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
YOU'RE ACTUALLY, YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKING ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE AGENDA.
BECAUSE, UM, UM, AGAIN, AS THE RECORDING SECRETARY FOR THE TOWN BOARD, TOWN CLERK'S OFFICE MAINTAINS AND PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE TOWN BOARD, TOWN BOARD'S, RECORDS, INCLUDING AGENDAS, MINUTES RESOLUTIONS, AND LOCAL LAWS.
YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T, BUT THAT MEANS THAT YOU MAINTAIN THE, THE DOCUMENTS AFTER THEY'RE CREATED DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE PREPARING THEM.
SHE CAN PREPARE THEM, BUT SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO PREPARE THEM AS THE LAW.
BECAUSE WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S DOING THAT AND THAT EVOLVED IN THE LAST, UH, THAT HAD TO YES.
I'M SURE YOU FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
COMPLETELY UNDER UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT IT, IT'S JUST THAT, UM, UH, AGAIN, JUST WELL IT'S NOT, HUH, IT'S NOT LAW UNDER, SO WE HAVE DISCRETION.
BUT UM, AGAIN, IN ALL FAIRNESS, UM, IT IS NORMALLY AND IN PAST PRACTICE YES.
IT'S NORMALLY NOW, UM, IT IS IN THE, IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
SO, AND, AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, FULLY UNDERSTAND
SO THEN CAN WE PUT THAT TO REST? NO, BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT THE CLERK IS SAYING IS THAT SHE'S A NEW CLERK.
SHE'S THE DIFF SHE'S A, SHE'S THE CURRENT CLERK AND SHE'S UNDER NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WOULD CONTINUE THAT PRACTICE.
I'M OKAY WITH THE PRACTICE WITNESS, VANESSA.
WE DECIDED THAT'S THE PROCESS WE DECIDED AND I'M, I DON'T WHAT? GO AHEAD LISA.
OKAY, SO THERE WAS VERBIAGE IN THE, IN THE, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS, AND I'M SO ANGRY THAT I DON'T HAVE MY HANDS ON IT RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE I DID HAVE IT AND IN THE PREVIOUS IT SAID EITHER TOWN CLERK, DEPUTY OR DESIGNEE.
SO I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY THAT CHANGED.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THOUGH.
IN THIS SECTION THERE WAS NO, YEAH, NOTHING IN THIS SECTION.
SHE'S GONE, SHE'S GONE BACK FROM A PREVIOUS DOCUMENT.
BUT WE HAVE ALREADY, THAT'S FROM 2024.
NO, BUT THERE WAS NO, THE ONLY LINE UNDER 2024 FOR WORK SESSION MEETINGS WAS THIS BLACK LINE THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
THERE WAS NO OTHER INFORMATION LISTED UNDER IT.
NO, BUT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WAS THE ONE THAT I MODIFIED FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION THAT JOE MODIFIED FROM THE PREVIOUS VERSION
SO YOU'RE NOT TOOK OUT, DID YOU TAKE OUT OTHER VERBIAGE FROM HERE? YES.
OH, THE WHOLE THING IS VERY DIFFERENT.
AND THEN YOU CAME ALONG AND THEN ADDED TO WHAT I DID, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW WAS THIS ONE LINE, RIGHT? YEAH.
WORK SESSION MEETING AS SHOULD BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS THE NEW ONE.
AND AGAIN, IT, IT'S, I CAN'T SPEAK, IT'S COMPLETELY UNDER THE BOARD'S DISCRETION.
SO WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, I'M NOT TRYING, I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE US ALONG.
SO WHY, WHY IS THIS AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW? 'CAUSE IN OVERALL PRACTICE, AND AGAIN, IT'S THE BOARD'S DISCRETION, IT BELONGS IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE.
BUT YOU KEEP SAYING IT'S THE BOARD'S DIRECTION, DISCRETION.
SO OUR DISCRETION IS TO PUT IT WITH OUR TOWN, UH, UH, COUNCIL AIDE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, I'M HONESTLY, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING.
CAN YOU, CAN WE JUST ACCEPT THAT THE DECISION WAS MADE TO HAVE IT GO TO THE COUNCIL AID SOME TIME AGO AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT PRACTICE AND LOOK, YOU'RE DOING THINGS THAT THE, YOU'VE GOT A LOT, YOU'VE GOT A LOT ON THE PLATE, DIDN'T DO.
SO YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY FULL AGENDA AS IT IS.
AND WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO RELY ON HOLLY FOR THAT, THAT FUNCTION.
SO IS THAT OKAY? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED TO MENTION? NO, THE VERBIAGE DIFFERENT.
SO THAT'S ALL THAT WAS MY CONCERN.
BUT THAT YEAH, BUT THAT WAS MODIFIED BY YEAH, BUT FRANCIS AND JOE SAID HE, THEY MODIFIED IT.
THE, I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL MODIFYING THAT SECTION AT ALL.
I THINK I ONLY MADE ADDITIONS.
I'M TRYING TO PULL UP AN EARLIER VERSION AND UNFORTUNATELY I'M HAVING, UH, ISSUES RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S JUST GOD SPEAKING.
SO IT IT'S FINE TOWN CLER OR DESIGNEE? NO, NO, NO.
THAT'S BUT THAT'S IN BOARD MEETINGS.
THAT'S NOT IN THIS, THIS IS NOT, THAT'S NOT WORK SESSION.
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BUT, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT VERBIAGE THERE.DID YOU GO READ THAT PART? LET, LET'S GET TO, DO YOU WANT TO MENTION THAT AT WHEN WE GET TO THE TOWN BOARD MEETINGS, THAT'S WHEN YOU SHOULD BRING THAT UP, BUT NOT FOR THE WORK SESSIONS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER IN THE WORK SESSIONS.
WELL, WE'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR INTENTION.
THAT'S BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL, SO, BUT I CAN'T SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY 'CAUSE I DO NOT HAVE THE ORIGINAL WITH ME.
SO, UH, I THINK IT'S SILENT ON WORK SESSIONS.
THERE WERE SO MANY CHANGES WITH THE UNDERLINES AND STRIKEOUTS AND WE MOVED STUFF AROUND SO THAT THE TRACK CHANGES LOOKED LIKE SPAGHETTI
SO WE JUST, I JUST ACCEPTED THEM ALL.
WE GAVE THEM OUT AND THEN JOY ADDED SOME SECTIONS TO IT AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE WORKING FROM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DIDN'T SEE.
I ONLY KNOW WHAT I WAS WORKING FROM.
AND THE PRIOR ONE FOR WORK SESSION MEETINGS SIMPLY SAYS WORK SESSION MEETINGS OF THE BOARD SHALL BE HELD ON TUESDAY AFTERNOONS BETWEEN, UH, BEGINNING AT 5:15 PM THAT WAS ALL IT SAID ABOUT WORK SESSION FIVE 15.
IT SAID, WELL, IT WAS FIVE 15, BUT WE CHANGED TO FIVE 30 THERE.
I THINK WE'RE UP TO D WELL TO D THREE.
UM, I DON'T AGREE WITH A FAILURE TO RESPOND ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
YOU HAVE TO REACH OUT TO BOARD MEMBERS IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A CHANGE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T SEE THEIR EMAIL OR DOESN'T GET THEIR EMAIL OR DOESN'T HAVE INTERNET OR WHATEVER, THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED TO BE A, UM, A NO VOTE.
AN ASSUMPTION IS MADE ON THEIR BEHALF AND THAT, BUT WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO RESPONSES TO LOTS OF EMAILS THAT ARE, SO THEN YOU PICK UP THE PHONE.
THAT'S TYPICAL, BUT THEN WE'RE NOT, BUT THAT'S NOT A, UM, FIVE WAY CONVERSA DISCUSSION.
THEN IT'S JUST AN INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATION.
WELL AT LEAST CHECK TO SEE WHY THEY DIDN'T RESPOND.
WE HAVE, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT HOLLY DOES PERSON TO RESPOND.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING FRANCE THAT YOU PICK UP THE PHONE BAD PERSON TO RESPOND, RESPOND TO THE EMAIL AND SHE DOES THAT.
AND THEN THEY MIGHT SAY, BUT IT'S NOT WORKING OR WHATEVER.
WHAT AND, AND THEN WHAT IF SHE CAN'T REACH THE BOARD MEMBER, THEN THAT'S, YOU NEED REAFFIRMATIVE VOTES TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
NOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T NEED THAT, BUT I'M SAYING YOU NEED THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES.
NO, I'M SAYING THAT BY IGNORING IT AND NOT RESPONDING.
WE DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE'S IGNORING MAY NOT BE IGNORING OR SOMEBODY'S WHO IGNORING IT.
HOW DO WE KNOW IF SOMEONE'S IGNORING, MAYBE THEY DIDN'T SEE IT.
THEY ALREADY HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH HOLLY.
THAT'S WHY IT SHOULD BE ON ONE RESPONSE.
SO MAYBE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY.
IF, IF, IF HOLLY'S CALLING US, PROBABLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.
HEY, GINA, DID YOU SEE YOUR EMAIL? NO.
SO THEN SHE'LL SAY TO YOU, PLEASE RESPOND TO THE EMAIL.
BUT IF I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO RESPOND, READ, I, I'M NOT GONNA HAVE TIME.
IF I DON'T HAVE TIME, JOY, I IT WORKS.
THESE SHOULD NOT BE VERBAL AGREEMENTS.
THESE SHOULD BE WRITTEN REQUESTS.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HOLLY.
OTHERWISE THERE IS THE ABILITY FOR OTHER BOARD MEMBERS NOT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WHICH IS THAT'S WHY WE HAVE HOLLY.
NO, THAT'S NOT, HOLLY CAN'T, THAT'S NOT FOR HOLLY.
HOLLY'S GONNA SAY, I DID SPEAK, HOLLY'S GONNA SAY, I DID SPEAK TO GINA.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A YAY OR NAY.
IF I CAN'T, I'M LOOKING FOR HER TO BE IN WRITING.
'CAUSE SOME, BECAUSE ALL DAY GETS A AWAY FROM US.
SO WE ARE NOT, WE'RE NOT, YOU DON'T EVEN RESPOND.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO RESPOND.
THERE'S TIMES THAT YOU'VE BEEN ABLE, YOU'RE NOT BEEN ABLE LY.
IF HOLLY CAN CALL AND HAVE AND LOOK AT YOUR EMAIL, AND THAT'S WHAT I DO.
OKAY, BUT MAYBE I CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, I MAY BE A SITUATION THAT I CAN'T PICK UP MY PHONE.
YOU AND I TALK AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, WHAT IS IT? ALL RIGHT.
SO CAN WE AGREE THAT IT TAKES THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES IN ORDER TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA? I MEAN, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO, THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO SAY.
I DON'T, I'VE NEVER LIKED THAT POLICY BECAUSE I, I BASICALLY FEEL THAT MANY TIMES THERE'S ITEMS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA AND I FEEL BASED ON CONSTITUENT FEEDBACK, IT'S IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BASICALLY BE ABLE TO, TO PUT IT ON WITHOUT THREE VOTES BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN TODAY, I MEAN THIS, YOU COULD PUT IT ON THIS LIST THAT WE'RE GENERATING WITHOUT THREE VOTES.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOUR PREFERENCE.
BUT TO PUT SOMETHING ACTUALLY ON AN AGENDA MOST WOULD MAKE THINGS A LOT EASIER.
BECAUSE I COULD SAY LIKE, OKAY, HERE'S THE LIST I DIDN'T HEAR FROM YOU.
I, YOU YES, NO, THIS THREE I CAN KIND OF KEEP TRACK OF WHAT EVERYONE'S DOING AND THEN THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
BUT THERE'S THINGS LIKE, SAY THE SNOW POLICY FOR SIDEWALKS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A YEAR.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S FRUSTRATING BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT
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IT AND IT JUST GETS PUSHED ASIDE.THAT'S A DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE.
WE RESPONDING IS WHAT THE, THE PROBLEM THAT I FIND THAT I FIND FRUSTRATING IS THAT H WILL SEND IT OUT AND I SEE IN THE EMAIL RESPONSE, NOT EVERYBODY HAS RESPONDED.
SO IT MAKES ME THINK, WELL, HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ THIS? DO THEY KNOW? ARE THEY AWARE? AND THEN THEY NEVER RESPOND.
AND THEN THERE'S NO, SO WELL THAT'S NOT THREE YES VOTES BECAUSE YOU JUST DIDN'T RESPOND WELL, SO YOU'D RESPONDED TO HOLLY.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S NOT REALLY TRANSPARENT, BUT IT MAY, BUT IT MAY BE THAT WE GET THIS LIST UHHUH AND PAUL WANTS PICK A TOPIC.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE ON NO SIDEWALKS AND SNOW REMOVAL? OKAY, SIDEWALKS, IT'S NO REMOVAL.
HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT? YES OR NO? YOU NEED MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT.
WHAT ALL, ALL I KNOW IS SOMETHING ABOUT SIDEWALKS AND SNOW REMOVAL, LET'S PUT THAT ON.
IS THAT A GOOD USE OF TIME? NO, BUT IF SOMEBODY ACTUALLY GIVES SOME KIND OF A PROPOSAL AS TO WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOW WE'RE TALKING.
BUT JUST JUSTIFY THAT TO UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY OF IT.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT COMES UP BECAUSE THOSE LAST MINUTE STUFF, WE DON'T KNOW THE URGENCY OF IT.
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO VOTE RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
WE NEED TO DISCUSS RIGHT THEN, THEN WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT IT CAN WAIT A WEEK, THEN WE CAN THEN WE CAN ADD IT TO THE LIST FOR THE NEXT WEEK.
AND THAT CAME UP THIS TODAY, FOR TODAY, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THE DISCUSSION OF THE FORENSIC AUDIT WAS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA BEFORE.
I NEVER SAW AN EMAIL, UH, REQUESTING THAT ITEM TO BE ON.
AND I EVEN ACTUALLY EMAILED THE CONTROLLER AND SAID, YOU GIMME AN UPDATE ON, WE DISCUSSED LAST WEEK THAT IT WAS GONNA BE ON.
I REMEMBER WE DID NOT THAT DISCUSS THAT'S IN ANOTHER NO, I'M JUST SAYING, BUT I'M SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WELL I WAS WAITING FOR MONDAY TO COME KNOW, SUPPOSED TO COME THIS COURT, ALL OF US OR AT LEAST MAY ENJOY YOU BY SURPRISE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA AND WE HAVE A THREE MEMBER POLICY, ALL BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TOLD IN ADVANCE.
I, I SPECIFICALLY WROTE, UM, AND I SAID, GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON THE FORENSIC LETTER.
I DID THAT WITHIN THE PAST TWO, THREE DAYS.
DID YOU ASK, YOU WAS ASKING FOR IT? YES.
OH, YOU SAID GIVE ME, AND I SAID, SHOULD WE ASK FOR WHEN IT WOULD BE DISTRIBUTED? AND I DON'T KNOW.
I WAS, BECAUSE THERE'S RUMORS THAT SOME PEOPLE ON THE BOARD KNOW ABOUT IT.
THERE'S, AND, AND SO I THOSE RUMORS ARE NOT TRUE.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING THERE'S RUMORS AND THEN THERE'S RUMORS THAT YOU SAID THING IS, I JUST SORT OF, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FIND FRUSTRATING.
WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF RUMORS.
WELL, BUT THIS LIST FRUSTRATING.
THIS LIST WILL ACCOMPLISH THAT.
THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE IS JOY THINKS THAT IT WOULD TAKE THREE, NO VOTE, THREE NO VOTES TO TAKE SOMETHING OFF.
AND IF YOU DON'T RESPOND, THAT COUNTS.
UH, WHERE I'M SAYING IS YOU NEED THREE POSITIVE VOTES.
WELL, BUT THE POSITIVE VOTES, HERE'S WHAT I'M SAYING, FRANCIS, THE POS POSITIVE VOTES HAVE TO BE THEN IN WRITING SO THAT EVERYONE CAN SEE IT.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE TALKING TO HOLLY AND THEN GINA'S TALKING TO HOLLY, AND THEN ELLEN'S TALKING TO HOLLY.
WELL, I BOUGHT PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AND NEITHER IS PAUL.
I MEAN THERE'S FIVE OF CAN CAN HOLLY, BUT HOLLY COULD PUT INTO WRITING STATING, I SPOKE TO GINA, SHE'S NOT AVAILABLE BY COMPUTER OR WHATEVER.
I SPOKE TO GINA AND GINA SAID, YES, YOU NOW HAVE IT IN WRITING.
I THINK SHE'S DOING A GREAT JOB.
WELL THAT IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST MOLLY, I APOLOGIZE.
I SAID THAT I THINK YOU DO A GREAT JOB BECAUSE THAT COULD BE THE END OF YOUR CAREER.
THAT SOUNDS LIKE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE CAN'T HAVE.
THAT'S SOMETHING TO APOLOGIZE.
YOU CAN'T GET THREE POSITIVE VOTES.
WHAT'S THE CHANCE OF THAT THING PASSING, RIGHT.
WELL, OR ARE WE JUST GONNA SPIN OUR WHEELS BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD TOPIC TO HAVE A CONVERSATION FOR, FOR POLITICAL REASONS? NO, I THINK THE MAIN THING IS THAT I THINK THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALS THERE'S NO, NO LIAISONS ARE TREATED MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION AT THE SAME TIME.
THAT'S THE BIGGEST GRIPE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT I HAVE.
AND I FEEL THAT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, ON, TO BE HONEST, WHETHER IT'S ON THE GENDER OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST SORT OF FEEL THAT, UM, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT IT ON AND WE, AND MAYBE MAYBE IT SHOULD BE BY TEXT.
YOU KNOW, WE, YOU SAY WE WE'RE GONNA BE, I DON'T WANNA USE TEXT.
BUT THEN IT SHOULD BE IN WRITING IN AN EMAIL AND EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO RESPOND.
SO SOMETHING LIKE YES OR NO, YES OR NO, I'M RESPONDING THE BEST WAY I CAN, WANTS SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
I'M ASKING EVERYONE, UM, HOW DO ANYONE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA? YOU GUYS SHOULD ALL RESPOND AND SAY YES OR NO.
'CAUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, HASN'T BEEN HAPPENING EITHER.
PAUL TELLS EVERYONE WE MEET ON TUESDAY, HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING LIKE, IF, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERING WANTS SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AND THE EMAIL, EVERYBODY TOWN BOARD, I WANT TO INVITE, YOU KNOW, THE CONSULTANTS FOR THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS.
RIGHT? NOW, IF I DON'T HEAR BACK FROM ANYONE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
THEY MIGHT BE INVITING PEOPLE TO COME IN MM-HMM
BUT IF I DON'T HEAR FROM ANYBODY, HOW DO I KNOW TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA? THAT'S LIKE THE WHOLE PROBLEM WE HAVE TOO RIGHT NOW IS I ASSUME THAT, AGAIN, I ASSUME THAT EVERYONE IS ON BOARD AND THEN I PUT IT ON AND THEN COME TO FIND OUT NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT.
THAT'S HOW ABOUT HOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT,
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WHAT HAPPENS TO, TO GINA'S POINT, AND I GET INUNDATED WITH EMAILS AND TEXTS.I GET DO I I'M JUST SAYING, BUT I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF.
NO ONE'S TAKING ANY ONE MORE THAN ANOTHER.
SO I GET INUNDATED FOR BY, BY EMAILS AND TEXTS.
YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T, I CAN'T LOOK AT YOUR TEXTS EVERY HOUR YOU'VE BEEN WRITTEN OR YOUR EMAILS EVERY HOUR AND YOU'VE BEEN GREAT ABOUT PINGING US.
CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT MM-HMM
THE TEXT, I'M, I'M MORE, UM, ABLE TO SEE MM-HMM
THEY DON'T SHOW UP RIGHT AWAY AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY SHOW UP 20 OR 30 AT A TIME SO THAT THAT CAN GET LOST.
SO I, IT PUTS MORE ONUS ON YOU.
SO I'M ASKING, UM, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT ON THE AGENDA AND YOU'VE DONE THIS, WHICH IS GREAT, YOU'VE PINGED US AND SAY, HEY YOU PLEASE RESPOND TO ME.
I SENT OUT AN EMAIL AT SUCH AND SUCH A TIME AND WHEN YOU'VE DONE THAT, I'VE, I'LL TAKE THE TIME.
AND OKAY, HOLLY HAS SENT SOMETHING, RIGHT? SO THAT MIGHT ADDRESS THE GETTING THE RESPONSE BACK.
AND IF WE ALL AGREE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT AND RESPOND BACK TO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES I, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T DISAGREE, I JUST THAT UNDERSTANDING THERE'S SOMETIMES THAT WE GET CAUGHT UP IN OUR DAYS AND THERE'S THINGS THAT WE MISS.
SO THOSE CALLS, THOSE COURTESY CALLS THAT HOLLY GIVES US WORKS OUT WELL.
SO I TAKE THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO TAKE MY RESPONSE AND SAY, SPOKE WITH GINA, CONFIRM WITH GINA.
THIS IS, THIS IS HER RESPONSE.
AND I THINK THAT WORKS FOR YOU.
THAT MAY WORK FOR YOU AND THAT MAY WORK FOR YOU.
SO IF IT DOESN'T WORK, I'M JUST SAYING, I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE THAT ALERT IS GREAT.
RIGHT? BUT RESPONDING TO OH SHOOT TO DIFFERENT REQUESTS ON ONE DOCUMENT, I THINK WOULD MAKE IT MUCH EASIER BECAUSE THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT EXACTLY WHAT OUR, OUR, UH, UNIVERSE IS THAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE.
SO MAYBE IF WE CAME UP WITH LIKE A SPECIFIC TIME, UM, LIKE SAY YOU'RE SAYING WEDNESDAY, SO SAY EVERY WEDNESDAY AT THREE 30, UH, YOU'RE BE SENDING, WE CAN'T, WE NEVER, WE CAN'T MEETING, WE DON'T, I'M JUST SAYING, WHAT IF YOU SAID EVERY WEDNESDAY AT BETWEEN 12 AND THREE, UH, UH, EVERYBODY HAS TO RESPOND.
AND IF NOT, UH, THEN LET'S SAY I WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
IF, IF WE SAY BY 12 TO THREE, YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY YES OR NO.
AND IF YOU SAY, IF YOU DON'T ANSWER, THEN IT'S AUTOMATICALLY THE AGENDA.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBLEM.
I LIKE YOU, YOU TRYING TO SLIDE NO, I LIKE THAT FORM, BUT NOT TODAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD UTILIZE, WE SHOULD UTILIZE HOLLY, RIGHT? HOLLY IS OUR BEST CONTACT.
AND SOMETIMES HOLLY CALLS ME UP AND SAYS, UH, SO AND SO WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
AND I SAID WHAT IT'S ABOUT AND HOLLY SAID, I DON'T KNOW, THEY JUST SAID, AND THEY GIVE ME LIKE A ONE BLURB THING.
I'M NOT GONNA SAY YES OR NO TO THAT.
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT YES OR NO, RIGHT? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
SNOW, I WANNA PUT SNOW ON THE AGENDA.
WELL HE'S, HE'S BEING A LITTLE, WE SAT AT THIS TABLE JOY AND WE ALL SAT AROUND AND SAID, WHO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA? NO.
NO NOT WHAT'S IT ABOUT? WHO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA? I DON'T KNOW.
SO IT SHOULD HAVE AN AUTHOR ALSO.
IT SHOULD HAVE IN ADDITION TO THE WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM IS, IT SHOULD BE WHO REQUESTED IT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND IT SHOULD HAVE SOME BACKGROUND TO IT, SOME DOCUMENT TO BACK IT UP.
REMEMBER WE HAD A MEETING BACK EARLIER IN THERE.
AND WE HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T INFORMATION I KNOW BECAUSE YOU GET A PARTICULAR PERSON WILL SAY AND THEN GETS PUT PETE TO THE RESIDENTS.
UH, WE MEET EVERY TUESDAY AT FIVE 30 IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE PART OF THE WORK SESSION, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WILL SHOW UP HERE OR IT'LL JUST APPEAR ON THE AGENDA.
AND I GUESS BECAUSE NO ONE SAID NO, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT IT WAS ABOUT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU NEED THREE ABOUR VOTES TO DO ANYTHING AS A TOWN BOARD.
AND I'M SUGGESTING THAT ALSO BE TO PUT THINGS ON THE AGENDA.
AS LONG AS EVERYONE'S AWARE OF WHAT THOSE VOTES ARE.
THAT'S WHY I THINK SHOULD BE INVITING.
AND THEN SO HOLLY, WILL YOU MIND TAKING THAT ROLE? AND IF EVERYONE DOESN'T EX UH, RESPOND THAT YOU JUST SAY, I CANVASSED EVERYONE.
THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE'S SAYING AND YOU JUST SEND AN EMAIL IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING RESPONSE AND CAN DO, WHOEVER COMMITS AGENDA ITEM NEEDS TO PUT A BACKGROUND DOCUMENT TO IT.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE I THINK THE LACK, THAT'S WHAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
BUT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO SAY YES, GO AHEAD.
I DON'T FEEL, I THINK WE PUT ON ANY AGENDAS BECAUSE THEY NEVER GET THAT BACKGROUND.
WE HAVE EMPTY, IF THEY DON'T GET THE BACKGROUND, THEN IT DOESN'T GO ON THE AGENDA.
AND SOME THINGS ARE DESCRIPTIVE ENOUGH THAT THEY CAN GO ON THE AGENDA AS IS RIGHT.
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OFTEN THERE ARE THINGS THAT GO ON THE AGENDA AS IDEAS, RIGHT? THEY GO ON AGENDAS AS IDEAS WITHOUT ANY BACKUP FOR US TO CONSIDER.AND THEN WE HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT GET THIS, THERE'S NOTHING SUBSTATIVE THAT COMES THAT THAT'S, AM I TALKING? BUT YOU ALSO CAN'T PREPARE FOR IT.
YOU CAN'T PREPARE FOR A WORK SESSION AGENDA ITEM WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BACKGROUND IS.
WHAT ABOUT BECAUSE YOU CUT HER OFF.
I THINK THAT WE, I THINK WE, UH, KEEP BELABOR AND BELABORING.
WE ALREADY, I THINK I'M TRYING TO SUM IT UP.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN HERE.
AND ONE IS THAT HOLLY, WHEN SHE GETS A REQUEST TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, SHE HAS TO ASK FOR A DESCRIPTION AND BACKUP.
ARE Y ALL AGREE ON THAT AT LEAST DESCRIPTION? YES.
SO THAT WHEN SHE, WHEN SHE RELAYS IT TO US TO PUT ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE SOME BACKUP FOR WHAT IT'S ABOUT.
NUMBER TWO, HOWEVER IT HAPPENS, IF IT'S BY EMAIL OR TEXT, IF HOLLY'S NOT GETTING ANSWERS, SHE WILL FOLLOW UP, WHETHER IT'S BY TEXT OR PHONE CALL OUTTA ONE TEXT AND THEN SUMMARIZE.
SHE COULD ASK EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON HOW THEY PREFER TO BE CONTACTED.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO RESPOND IN TEXTS.
AND THEN SHE CAN SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO JOYCE POINT THAT SAYS, THESE THREE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE AGREED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA.
SHE'S GONNA SEND AN EMAIL WITH ALL OF THE ITEMS. RIGHT.
OTHERWISE THEY'RE DOING IT OVER, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU HAVE A WATER MAIN BREAK ON FRIDAY, IT'S NOT ON THIS LIST.
WHAT DO WE DO? EMERGENCY ADDRESS.
BUT THAT'S, SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THAT EMERGENCY? STILL A, A DIRECT CONTACT.
NOW WE HAVE A LIST THAT WE'RE SAYING YES OR NO, WE NOW FILLED UP THE AGENDA.
WHAT HAPPENS? AND THEN THERE'S AN ALERT THAT GOES OUT AND SAY, HEY, TOWN BOARD MEMBERS, WE HAD AN EMERGENCY WATER BREAK.
WE NEED TO ADD, WE NEED TO ADD THIS TO THE LIST.
AND WE CAN, WE COULD POSSIBLY REMOVE THIS.
AND THAT'S WHAT SHE'S GOOD AT.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN VOTE ON THAT? BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA REMOVE.
LIKE WE REMOVED SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY, RIGHT.
WE DIDN'T JUST ADD TO THE LIST.
SO THERE'S GOTTA BE FLEXIBILITY HERE.
WE'RE MAKING THESE LIKE, HARD AND FAST RULES, BUT SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO ANYWAY.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO BUILD IN SOME FLEXIBILITY.
UM, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THIS CHECKLIST IS ON WEDNESDAYS, TO ME, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE SOMETHING TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, UM, I MEAN, IT, IT'S MEANINGLESS.
AGAIN, WHAT IF IT WAS LIKE AN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT FROM LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE SUPERVISOR FROM LIKE, YOU KNOW, TWO DAYS AGO? YEAH.
WOULD I SAY EMAIL, PHONE? DON'T FORWARD THE EMAIL.
JUST CUT AND PASTE WHAT IT IS INTO THIS DOCUMENT SO THAT WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T WANNA BE.
THE, THE WHOLE CHASING ALL THE EMAIL CHAINS, EVERYTHING THAT IS VERY, VERY TIME CONSUMING AND CONFUSING AND WHATEVER.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU TO LIKE, DISTILL EVERYTHING INTO A, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD HOPE.
DISTILL IT INTO A DOCUMENT THAT'S VERY EASY TO GET THROUGH BECAUSE GOING THROUGH ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A RABBIT HOLE.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK IT UP AND THERE ARE CHANGES AND YOU MISS THE LATEST CHANGES.
AND I WAS CEASED ON THE EMAIL AND THEN THINGS ARE ADDED MISSING.
BUT NOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE GIVING US THE WHOLE THREAD AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT? RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT COULD GO BACK AND FORTH.
SOME OF THESE THREADS CAN GO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH.
ONE, WHAT ARE THEY GETTING TO? YOU JUST WANT THE THREAD.
BUT YOU, YOU JUST WANT THE MEAT AND POTATOES WHAT ITS ABOUT.
YOU WANT HER TO DISTILL OUT OF ALL THOSE THREADS WHAT IT IS THAT THE ISSUE IS.
BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S HOLLY'S JOB TO DO THAT.
I THINK IT'S, WHOEVER WANTS TO PUT THAT ON SHOULD BE DOING THAT.
WHY PUT THAT ON HOLLY? 'CAUSE IF SOMEBODY MAKES 10 REQUESTS, YOU KNOW, ON A TUESDAY, WHY IS IT HOLLY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE IT SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND? I THOUGHT IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER YEARS AGO WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE RULES AND WE JUST PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND WE GOT MORE THINGS DONE.
I MEAN, I, I THINK WE'VE BEEN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
WE'RE SPENDING ALL THIS TIME RIGHT NOW ON THESE POLICIES AND MY GUT FEELING IS THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA FOLLOW IT BECAUSE THERE'S AN IMPORTANT, SO THE THING IS, I THINK THIS IS LIKE A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT'S IMPORTANT AND IT COMES UP, WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT AT A WORK SESSION.
I THINK THE PUBLIC, IF SOMEBODY HAS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK.
COME HERE, SAY, SPEND FIVE MINUTES, TELL US WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.
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NOT MINUTES.WE USED TO DO IT AND IT WAS SO MUCH BETTER.
WE DID, WE HAD PEOPLE COME FOR THE SESSION.
THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD CITIZENS COME IN.
THEY, THEY FELT THAT THEY WERE BEING HEARD.
THE WORK SESSION WAS SORT OF MORE INFORMAL.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS WHAT PUBLIC COMMENT WAS ABOUT.
I THINK THAT IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES, LET'S SAY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR A OVER A YEAR OR A COUPLE YEARS ON LEAF BLOWERS.
SO LET'S SAY WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, I WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
YEAH, BUT COULD I, CAN I SAY I GOTTA STOP YOU THERE.
'CAUSE THAT EXAMPLE, SO WHAT PROPOSAL IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
SO YOU'LL JUST SAY, OKAY, LEAF BLOWERS, BUT WE HAD 22 VERSIONS OF THE LEAF BLOWER LAW AND EVERY TIME YOU HEARD FROM SOMEONE, YOU THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
MAYBE WE SHOULD MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT.
SO IF YOU JUST PUT LEAF BLOWERS ON THE AGENDA, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMING OR GOING ON, ON WHAT, JUST GIVE US THE RING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT JUST HAS TO BE HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE, I'M NOT OBJECTING TO SAYING PUT LEAF BLOWERS ON IJ IT JUST NEEDS MORE SPECIFIC, IT NEEDS, CAN I FINISH THAT? MY, IT JUST NEEDS MORE SPECIFICITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE LAW DATED SO AND SO THE LAST ONE THAT WE CAME UP WITH.
'CAUSE I'M, I'M SO CONFUSED ABOUT THE LEAF I GOT THAT'S MIXED.
NOT ABOUT THE LEAF BLOWER, BUT NO, WE DON'T REALLY, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT LEAFBLOWER, RIGHT? WITHOUT A PROPOSAL, BUT NOTHING, NO SUBSTANCE.
MY FAILING IS THAT THERE'S A COUPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT AND THEN, UH, BASICALLY WE'LL SPEND AN HOUR OR TWO DISCUSSING IT AND THEN NOTHING EVER HAPPENS AND THERE'S NO FOLLOW UP.
SO MY, SO MY FAILING IS THAT IF WE, IF A, IF A, IF ANY BOARD MEMBER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WANNA PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA EVEN IT'S FOR LIKE A, A ONE MINUTE DISCUSSION.
IF THERE'S, IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT LEAF BLOWERS OR IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UH, SNOW POLICY, THE BOARD COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S HAVE A MORE FORMAL SUBSTANTIVE, UH, PROPOSAL THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE SIDEWALK DISTRICTS? DO WE WANNA SAY THAT TAXI ROAD SIDEWALK, IF IT'S BUILT, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, ASSUMING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TOWN OF CLA LET'S NOT INTO SPECIFICS, JUST WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING DON'T HAVE TO GET SPECIFICS ABOUT IT.
THE PROBLEM IS I KEEP ASKING TO PUT SOMETHING ON AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, YOU JUST HAVE TO CONVINCE TWO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
YOU JUST HAVE TO CONVINCE TWO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS.
IT'S ALREADY, WELL THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO GO THROUGH AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES AND WE REALLY ACCOMPLISH NOTHING TODAY.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DISAGREE WITH, WITH THAT.
I THINK, I THINK THIS IS GREAT COMMENT CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND WE'RE TRYING TO PUT SOME PROCESSES IN PLACE AND WE NEED GET EVERYONE WHO'S SERVING ON THIS BOARD ON, ON THIS, ON THE SAME PAGE.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE IMPLEMENTED THE THREE HAVE TO BE ON, HAVE TO SAY YES TO AN ITEM IS BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY PAUL, YOU ARE BRINGING PEOPLE IN FROM THE PUBLIC AND PUTTING ONE WORD, YOU KNOW, TWO WORD ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
AND WE WERE COMPLETELY BLINDSIDED BY THAT AND HAD NOTHING TO, UH, INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT.
AND SO WE HAD TO LIKE REIN IT IN.
BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK IS WRONG? WHAT IS WRONG? WHAT IS WRONG? I THINK THE WHOLE, I THINK THAT BASICALLY WE WERE MAKING IT SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT SUCH A FORMAL, YOU KNOW, POLICY THAT WE'RE GETTING ALLY VERY LITTLE, NOT ENOUGH
WELL, PAUL, LEGISLATORS, YOU KNOW HOW COMMITTEE MEETINGS WORK.
YOU'RE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THEY DON'T INTERRUPT WHEN THEY COME TO THOSE MEETINGS.
THE, AND TO MY NEXT POINT, WHICH WE'LL GET TO, THESE MEETINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CONDUCTED IN AN ORDERLY FASHION BY THE CHAIR, WHICH IS YOU.
EVERYONE'S TALKING OVER EACH OTHER.
YOU ARE ALWAYS JUMPING IN, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR, WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK LAST, ACTUALLY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GO AROUND TO THE LEGISLATORS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE AND ASK OUR, OUR THOUGHTS.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
WHICH IS THE NEXT POINT, WHICH IS I THINK WE NEED A PARLIAMENTARIAN FOR THESE MEETINGS.
WE, BUT WE NEED RESOLVE THAT POINT EITHER.
YOU KNOW, DO WE MOVE ON WITHOUT RESOLUTION ON WHAT? THE FIRST ONE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE FIRST ONE ON WHAT? TALKING ABOUT ON THE PROCESS.
I THINK WE HAVE THE, I THINK I, I THINK YOU'VE REACHED A RESOLUTION EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT YOU DIDN'T SAY WHAT TIME THE RESPONSES WILL BE RECEIVED BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AIDE.
I SAY IF I HAVE EVERYTHING BY, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY BY NOON, BECAUSE I, I LIKE TO PUBLIC THE AGENDA BY, BY FRIDAY, BY THE TIME WE LEAVE.
IF WE COULD, I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S SUBJECT TO CHANGE, BUT SURE IT CAN BE DONE.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAINTAIN THAT.
SO, SO FRIDAY AT FIVE, WE SAY FRIDAY.
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THESE ARE THE ITEMS, SORRY HOLLY, BUT THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE WANNA SCHEDULE TO TALK ABOUT IT.SHOULD THERE BE, SHOULD THERE BE SOMETHING THREE, THREE PERSON VOTE OF IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, LIKE WE HAD THE HUGE SNOWSTORM WE WANTED, MAKE SURE THAT WE TALK ABOUT PROCESS AND WHAT WE NEED TO, TO DO.
OR IF WE HAD ANYTHING ELSE SHOULD THAT, THAT COULD BE A PLACEHOLDER TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE SOME, AGAIN, IT'S KINDA LIKE SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
I MEAN LIKE, SUBJECT TO CHANGE, RIGHT.
SUBJECT TO CHANGE OR, UH, THINGS MAY, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN'T CONTROL THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS STRETCH THAT TO, YOU KNOW, WELL, WHERE IS THAT IN HERE? WE NO ADD IT.
SEE, I AGREE WITH PAUL IN THE, THE FACT, EXCEPT I THINK YOU NEED THREE, THREE VOTES TO DO ANYTHING.
UH, BUT I AGREE THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS SO RIGID.
LIKE I WOULD'VE LOVED TO HAVE HAD A REPORT THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING FROM RICH AS TO HOW DID THINGS GO THIS WEEKEND.
RIGHT? AND, AND BASICALLY HIGHLIGHT THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DID.
AND PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE TUNED IN TO SAY, OH, OKAY.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I GOT TICKETED.
I WONDER, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT ALL ABOUT? AT LEAST THERE'D BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING.
BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE PROCEDURES, UM, THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T ON A CHECKLIST THE PREVIOUS WEEK.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO, YOU COULD SUGGESTED THOUGH, FRANCIS, NOT ACCORDING TO THESE RULES, WE DIDN'T ADOPT THESE RULES.
I UNDERSTAND, BUT SO THEY'RE NOT IN THESE RULES.
WHY ARE WE PUTTING IT? WE HAVE TO HAVE A MECHANISM FOR SO WHAT MINUTE THESE ADDITIONS, IF IT WORKED, THIS IS IF YOU'RE SAYING WHAT WE HAVE NOW WORKS, THIS IS A FRAMEWORK.
WE CAN TWEAK IT AND SAY WE'LL HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR THINGS LIKE AN EMERGENCY STORM AND A, AND A, YOU KNOW, AN UPDATE.
MY POINT IS, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE THAT SPECIFIC EXACTLY, THIS HAS TO BE IN BY THREE O'CLOCK OR THIS BLAH BLAH, BLAH, THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC AS TO HOW YOU WOULD DEVIATE FROM THAT.
YOU CAN'T DEVIATE WITH AN EMERGENCY.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T, THERE ARE NO SPECIFICS TO THAT IS A DEVIATION.
YOU CAN'T PREDICT WHEN AN EMERGENCY'S GONNA HAPPEN.
SO THAT HAS TO BE WHY IT CAN BE PUT, THERE'S A MECHANISM TO PUT SOMETHING IN AS LONG AS EVERY, AS LONG AS, BUT HE'S SAYING NOT, NOT HERE.
WE'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT SAYING, SO LET'S PUT IT IN AS OKAY.
BUT THAT'S WHAT HE WAS, THAT'S ALL HE WAS SAYING.
THAT IT WASN'T IN, IT SHOULD BE SPELLED OUT.
SO WHO'S GONNA DO THE LANGUAGE FOR HOW THAT'S GONNA BE? WELL, I'M NOT SO SURE WE WANT TO BE AS RIGID AS WE ARE IN DOING THIS PROCESS TO BEGIN WITH.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S EASY.
IT SEEMS TO BE A BIG DEAL THAT YOU HAVE TO GET THREE VOTES OF SUBSTANCE ON A SUB SUB, UH, TO A TOPIC WITH SUBSTANCE TO IT.
AS OPPOSED TO THIS IS, THESE ARE AND VOTE YES OR NO.
AND I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CHECKLIST, YES OR NO.
SOME THINGS ARE WHAT'S IT ABOUT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT NOW BY THE TIME YOU FIND OUT WHAT IT'S ABOUT, IT'S PAST THE DEADLINE.
DOES THAT MEAN IT COMES OFF THAT THE ITEMS DIDN'T EVEN MAKE IT ON? WOULD IT, THE ITEMS THAT, BUT I THINK HOLLY'S TALKING ABOUT CIRCULATING THE SUGGESTIONS PRIOR TO WHEN SHE'S GONNA PUBLISH IT ON FRIDAY.
THAT'S WHAT NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CHECKLIST OF ALL THE YEAH, THE WISHLIST.
IF IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY BACKUP TO IT.
IF IT HAS THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES.
SO IF I WERE A BOARD MEMBER, I WOULD SAY I'M VOTING NO ON THIS ITEM BECAUSE THE BACKGROUND IS NOT HERE.
AND YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO PUT IT ON FOR NEXT WEEK IF YOU SEND ME THE BACKGROUND DOCUMENTS IN ADVANCE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE AFTER THE DEADLINE FOR FRIDAY, RIGHT? NO, I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING TO SEND IT BY FRIDAY.
THAT'S FOR THE WEDNESDAY TO SAY THAT BY FRIDAY TO SAY THAT BY FRIDAY.
AND THAT IF THAT'S THE CASE, IF THEY DON'T GET THE BACKGROUND DOCUMENTS TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE THREE PEOPLE THAT IT'S NOT ON, IT'S NOT ON.
SO WE HAVE TO THEN CIRCULATE IT AND WATCH OUT FOR THE STUFF FOR FRIDAY.
WELL HOLLY NOW KNOWS THAT SHE'S GOING TO GET THE BACKUP.
HOLLY KNOWS THAT SHE'S DEALING WITH, RIGHT? NO, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAPPEN ON REGULAR RESOLUTIONS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NICE PIE IN THE SKY.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN ON REALLY CRITICAL RESOLUTIONS, UH, THAT WE GET THEM EVEN, EVEN OVER THE WEEKEND.
UM, SO TO SAY, YES, WE'LL GET IT.
AND THEN IT'S, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE SAID IT WOULD BE ON, NO, WE SET IT ON.
IS THE DOCUMENTATION GOOD ENOUGH OR WHAT? I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WHO'S GONNA DETERMINATION? I THINK WE'RE MAKING THIS OVERLY CUMBERSOME.
BUT IF HOLLY REQUESTS IT AND SHE DOESN'T GET IT, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
THAT, I THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
I I HAD JUST ONE OTHER THOUGHT.
UM, WHAT IF, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, IF YOU WANT TO KEEP SAY THE THREE PERSON, UM, REQUIREMENT, WHAT IF, UM, ANY BOARD MEMBER WHO WANTS OTHER ITEMS DISCUSSED, WE COULD
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PUT THAT SAYING THESE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE REQUESTED FOR DISCUSSION.AND UM, AND THAT GOES ON THE PUBLIC WORK SESSION AGENDA.
AND, UM, THEN WE COULD HAVE 10 MINUTES OR FIVE MINUTES, UM, AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC WORK SESSION WHERE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS IN THE WORK SESSION.
LIKE IF I WANT A SAY, OH, WORK SESSION, SO LIKE WORK NOT THE PUBLIC WORKS RIGHT NOW, THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING OPEN MEETING, RIGHT? SO THERE'S THREE OR FOUR ITEMS MM-HMM
SO, UH, I PUT, I WANNA HAVE SIDEWALKS DISCUSSED, OR I WANT TO HAVE LEAF BLOWER DISCUSSED, OR I WANT TO HAVE, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA DISCUSSED.
IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE THREE VOTES FROM A BOARD, FROM THE BOARD, MAYBE, UH, A RUNNING LIST TO SUGGESTIONS, WE COULD HAVE LIKE A LIST OF SUGGESTED ITEMS DO THAT END AGENDA AND THAT GOES ON THE PUBLIC.
SO PEOPLE COULD SEE THAT, UM, THAT A BOARD MEMBER IS TRYING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
AND THEN, UH, WE COULD HAVE 10 MINUTES OR FIVE MINUTES AT THE END OF EACH, UH, WORK SESSION WHERE WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WANT THIS DISCUSSED.
AND THEN A BOARD MEMBER COULD SAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT MORE DETAILS.
IT ALL GOES BACK TO HAVING THE BACKUP AHEAD OF TIME.
IT ALL GOES BACK TO HAVING THE BACKUP AHEAD OF TIME.
IF, IF HOLLY REQUESTS THE BACKUP FOR SOMETHING, WHETHER YOU PUT IT ON THE AGENDA OR I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND I DON'T GET THAT BACKUP TO HER, THEN THAT'S, SO SUE ME, THAT'S MY AGENDA.
I WOULD WANTED TO HAVE, LET'S SAY WE SAID, OKAY, WE WANT TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP ON WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF IMPROVING COMMUNICATIONS RELATING TO FUTURE WATER MAIN BREAKS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THAT, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WAS A BIG, YOU KNOW, PROBLEM.
SO THE THING IS, IF I WANT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA AND THE BOARD DOESN'T WANNA DISCUSS IT, I COULD PUT IT ON A WORK SESSION AGENDA.
AND THAT MEANS IT, WELL, THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE A FORMAL DISCUSSION, BUT I COULD BRING IT UP AT THE, THE LAST FIVE MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC WORK SESSION AND THEN BOARD MEMBERS COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED.
AND THEN PEOPLE SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW HOW, SO YOU WANT A SECTION LIKE PENDING ITEMS. IS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE PENDING ITEMS? I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD THIS.
I THOUGHT WE HAD THIS PUBLIC PENDING.
IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT DOESN'T HAVE SUBSTANCE TO IT.
LIKE FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU WRITE TO PEOPLE WHERE THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NOISE AND YOU SAY, I'VE BEEN SUPPORTING CHANGING LEAFBLOWER LAW, BUT YOU NEVER GIVE US A PROPOSAL.
BUT THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION I'D LIKE, BUT WE'D LIKE HAVE AS A PROPOSAL TO DISCUSS, HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT FOR 20 YEARS IS NOT, IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT.
THE PURPOSE OF A WORK SESSION IS WHERE SPINNER WHEELS HAVE A DIALOGUE.
AND BUT WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL PROPOSAL, NO ONE'S, NO ONE'S DISAGREEING.
WE SHOULD HAVE A DI HOLD ON FRANCIS.
HOWEVER, WE SHOULD HAVE A PROPOSAL TO TALK ABOUT, YOU CAN'T JUST PUT SOMETHING ON THERE AND DON'T PRESENT US ANYTHING.
WE WANNA TALK ABOUT LEAF FLOWS.
WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE A PROPOSAL.
WHAT YOU WANNA CHANGE IN LEAP BLOWERS.
IF YOU WANNA REVISE THE LAW, THAT'S, SO SEND US, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO SEND THAT, THAT'S ALL.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE'RE GONNA GO 'CAUSE WE GOT STALLED HERE.
SO ARE WE GONNA, ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO THIS? BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, WELL, LET'S GET THROUGH THIS LAST PART, WHICH, OKAY, SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ARE WE GONNA JUST STOP AT FOUR? NUMBER THREE AT THE, SO WHERE DID WE LEAVE D
YOU NEED THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES I THINK WAS THE DECISION, RIGHT? THREE.
RIGHT? AND THEN THAT'S WHAT HOLLY, BUT RIGHT, IF YOU DON'T RESPOND, THEN WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE.
BUT THEN I THOUGHT WE, SO THEN HOLLY WILL, HOLLY SURE.
DETAILED TOPIC, RIGHT? A DETAIL TO THE TOPIC.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, DEMOCRACY, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY.
BUT THAT'S MY POINT, RIGHT? IS HOW DO YOU SAY YES OR NO, YOU KNOW? AND NOW IF YOU VOTE NO, YOU'RE OPPOSED TO DEMOCRACY.
YOU KNOW, SO WELL FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE FORENSIC AUDIT, PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY DETAIL TO IT, BUT IT'S ON THERE.
WHAT'S THE DETAIL TO IT? WELL, WE GOT THE REPORT, WE GOT THE ORDER REPORT.
DID WE KNOW WE WERE GETTING THE REPORT? YES.
I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT IT LAST, LAST WORK SESSION.
WAIT, DID YOU HEAR IT? AM I NOT, DID YOU HEAR IT? YEAH, IT WAS COMING OUT THIS WEEK.
AND WE KEPT SAYING, I HEARD THAT KIMBERLY SAID SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHEN SHE WAS GETTING, IT WAS COMING THIS WEEK.
NOT, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT DAY IT WAS, BUT IT WAS COMING THIS WEEK.
SO WHAT WOULD THE PRELIMINARY, SO I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION OF THE FORENSIC AUDIT WOULD BE BEFORE I READ IT.
THE, THE, THE AUDIT WAS ACTUALLY, THE AUDIT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OUT THE END OF LAST WEEK.
BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT THE, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT DEALING
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WITH, UM, ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS.ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS, IT DIDN'T COME OUT.
THEN MONDAY, A SNOWSTORM DIDN'T COME OUT.
UM, BUT PEOPLE OR PEOPLE, AND, AND THIS IS, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSED, WE WERE AT A MEETING AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DISCUSSED WHEN THAT WAS COMING OUT.
SO, UM, PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THIS AUDIT.
SO IF WE DID NOT HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND WE PUT IT UP ON THE WEBSITE, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WELL, THE TOWN BOARD IS NOT EVEN DISCUSSING IT.
SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT FOR TOWN BOARD MEMBERS NOT, I WOULD NOT KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT THIS MEANS BECAUSE THERE'S NO DETAIL TO WHAT THAT IS.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF IT HAD SAID, OR IT WASN'T EVEN CIRCULATED AROUND AS SOMETHING TO ADD TO THIS AGENDA THAT I'M JUST, ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A FORENSIC AUDIT IS? 'CAUSE WE DISCUSSED THIS MANY TYPES? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT A FORENSIC AUDIT IS? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION OF IT? WHAT IS PRELIMINARY? WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE, WELL, THERE'S A DISCUSSION AND PRELIMINARY MEANS IT'S NOT ONLY THE FINAL.
YOU DON'T HAVE GIVE THE DEFINITION OF VOCABULARY.
ALRIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
NO, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION IS.
LEMME EXPLAIN IT BASED ON, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO, TO REFER TO.
NORMALLY THE CON
YOU HAD TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE AT A MEETING AS WELL.
RIGHT? THE ORDER IS GONNA BE OUT.
WE ARE HAVING A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION BECAUSE NO WAY WE'RE GONNA ABSORB IT.
AND SO YOU JUST HAVE, HERE IT IS, IT'S OUT PUBLIC NOW KNOWS IT'S OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK.
HOPEFULLY NOBODY SAYS THEY DIDN'T KNOW IT'S GONNA BE ON FOR NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A MORE SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION THEN, BUT AT LEAST IT'S OUT.
SO IN THAT, IN THAT DISCUSSION, THE EMAIL MIGHT GO OUT AND FRANCIS MIGHT VOTE YES.
AND JOY MIGHT SAY, I NEED MORE INFORMATION.
AND THEN MORE INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED THEN THAT MIGHT BE AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, NORMALLY WHEN WE'VE HAD THESE TYPES OF AUDITS OR STUDIES OR UM, INVESTIGATIONS OR SOMETHING DETAILS, UH, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD WOULD SAY, THIS IS, UH, THE REPORT, UH, READ IT AND WE'RE GONNA PUT IT ON FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK.
AND IT, BECAUSE BASICALLY RIGHT NOW, UM, IT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN IT.
SO THE THING IS, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO MAY, WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN, MAYBE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS DISAGREE WITH ASPECTS IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE ORDER.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO GIVE, I DON'T WANT YOU TO GIVE, MAKE A STATEMENT AND GIVEN THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN IT.
EVERYONE HAS SEEN IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
BUT THE THING CONTROLLER SHOULD HAVE BASICALLY SAID, SHOW GIVE GIVEN THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, A COPY IN, YOU KNOW, YOU CRITICIZE ME IN THE PAST, OH, I RELEASED THE BUDGET AND I'LL RELEASE THE LAST, YOU KNOW, THE LAST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OCTOBER 30TH.
AND YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE TIME TO SEE THE BUDGET BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE, THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY, UH, SEES IT.
SO YOU'D HAVE LIKE A LITTLE ADVANCE.
I FEEL THE SAME THING WITH THIS.
UH, WELL, THIS DIDN'T GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC, DID IT? WELL, IT'S GOOD BECAUSE WE DISCUSSED IT AT A PUBLIC, BUT PAUL, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT SAID EVERYBODY SHOULD SEE THIS AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO THAT, AND THAT'S THE WAY THIS IS, THIS IS, EVERYONE'S GONNA SEE THIS AT THE SAME TIME.
WE ARE SEEING IT THE SAME TIME IS EVERYBODY GETS TO SEE IT.
I WOULD THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.
I WOULD'VE JUST FELT BETTER IF THE CONTROLLER WOULD'VE SAID TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS IN THE AFTERNOON OR IN THE MOR UH, SAYING, I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET IT TODAY.
UH, AND WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PUT IT ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA TODAY? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO REVIEW IT FIRST AND THEN WE'LL PUT IT ON, UH, FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION NEXT WEEK? NOBODY'S SAYING IT SHOULDN'T BE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE PUBLIC AND NOBODY'S SAYING THAT WE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE, IT'S NOT PUBLIC.
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SAY, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TYPE OF, UM, FOLLOW UP THAT WE WOULD LIKE, UH, BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT WEEK.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE'S LOT CAN I, CAN I JUST SAY MY, MY UNDERSTANDING AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WAY OFF THE ROAD, IF I MAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHERE WE HAVE, CAN I, CAN I JUST, OKAY.
UM, THAT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY AGREED TO THE, TO THE, TO AND, AND SIGNED FOR THE PUBLIC AUDIT, WHEN WE VOTED ON IT, FORENSIC FORENSIC AUDIT.
THE FORENSIC AUDIT, SORRY, THE FORENSIC AUDIT.
WE, WE WERE GIVEN THE TIMEFRAME OF WHEN IT WAS DUE, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN NOW.
SO IT'S REFERENCE THAT YEAH, WE DID IN FACT RECEIVE IT.
AND THEN THE, SO, SO I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS UP FOR DISCUSSION, BUT JUST THAT, YES, WE'VE RECEIVED IT.
NOW WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE BECAUSE WE TOLD YOU WE WOULD NOW.
SO NOW WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT WE DID RECEIVE IT AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
SO THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION FROM IT, THAT BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE EXPECTATION FOR THE FORENSIC AUDIT TO COME OUT NOW.
WE'RE LETTING YOU KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED IT AND NOW WE'RE GOING
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THE, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT WITH SPECIFICITY AND THEN HAVE A, A MORE CONCRETE DISCUSSION.MY ONLY OBJECTIVE IN THE THINGS THAT I SUGGESTED IS THAT THERE IS TRANSPARENCY FOR ALL BOARD MEMBERS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON TO THIS AGENDA.
I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE'S GIVEN AN IMPRESSION THAT, YOU KNOW, OTHERS KNOW MORE THAN OTHERS.
I MEAN, WE HAVE HOLLY, I KEEP GOING TO HOLLY BECAUSE THAT'S MY GO-TO.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING I NEED TO KNOW, I GO TO HOLLY.
I PICK, I ASK HOLLY, WHAT IS THIS? OR SHE'LL CALL ME.
HOLLY SHOULDN'T BE TELLING US THINGS AFTER THE FACT.
WE SHOULD BE DECIDING THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
BUT IF I'M NOT, IF I'M OKAY, I'M NOT GONNA GO BACK AND FORTH.
NO, LET'S NOT GO BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AGENDA TO GO THROUGH AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WAITING.
SO ARE WE GONNA DO THE AGENDA? WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO NOW? ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE PUT ON FOR ANOTHER MEETING? ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE WITH THIS OR ARE WE GONNA DO THE AGENDA? I THINK WE SHOULD DO THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE WAITING AND CAN WE GET THROUGH THREE? CAN WE GET THROUGH NUMBER THREE? SEVEN O'CLOCK IT SEVEN O'CLOCK ALREADY? WELL, WE KNEW THIS WAS GONNA TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND WE'VE BEEN UNFORTUNATE I HAD TIME TO DEAL WITH IT DONE IN DECEMBER.
I THINK WE SHOULD JUST, UH, GO THROUGH THE AGENDA REVIEW, WHICH WE HAVE TO DO, AND THEN, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING FOR US, WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO HAVE SCHEDULES, YOU KNOW, WAITING, UH, A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
ALL RIGHT, WELL WE CAN'T PASS THAT BECAUSE THEN WE CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE IT HAS THREE PRESENTATIONS.
SO I SUGGEST PRESENTATIONS ARE NO, NO.
DO WE REALLY THINK THAT THESE ARE GONNA BE 10 MINUTES EACH? THERE'LL BE FIVE MINUTES.
SO WHEN ARE WE GOING, WHEN ARE WE PUTTING THIS ON? NEXT AGENDA? I GUESS SO, SO WHAT ARE WE, ARE WE GONNA GIVE SOMETHING TO, TO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BUSINESS OF THE MONTH? SO WE DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO THE AGENDA? I GUESS SO SOMEONE JUST, THAT DECISION WAS MADE.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING EVERY WEEK.
I WAS, I WAS REALLY FRUSTRATED.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SO SURPRISED TO SEE TWO OTHER THINGS ON HERE BEFORE THE REORGANIZATION RULES.
WELL, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GONNA TAKE SO MUCH TIME ACTUALLY TO GO OVER THE REORGANIZATION AND RULES, BUT IT GOT, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE HAD NOTHING ELSE ON HERE OTHER THAN THAT IN THE AGENDA REVIEW, IN MY VIEW.
WELL, SO SOCIAL MEDIA GOT TAKEN OFF.
WELL, YEAH, I DIDN'T WANNA DO THAT, BUT THERE WAS A MAJORITY TO DO THAT.
WE NEEDED TO, WE NEED TO GET TO SOCIAL MEDIA THING.
I CAN'T KEEP KICKING THIS SOCIAL MEDIA.
WELL NOW NEXT WEEK WE HAVE FORENSIC AUDIT, THIS AND SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY AGAIN, WE CAN LOOK FORWARD INTO THE NEW YEAR WITHOUT HAVING OUR RULES AND, AND REGULATIONS FINALIZED.
I, I KNOW, I KNOW YOU'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY THAT WAS, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE LAST YEAR.
WE NEED TO CHECK THAT BOX AND MOVE THAT ON.
NO, WE NEED TO CHECK THIS BOX FIRST.
JOY, DON'T ARGUE WITH ME, PLEASE.
I WON'T, DON'T ARGUE WITH ME THEN.
SO DON'T, DON'T SPEAK TO ME LIKE THAT.
SO I'M SAYING THAT YOU, LIKE, YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR.
CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? I'M NOT DONE.
SO WE NEED TO, I'VE HERE FOR YOU'VE FOR TWO YEARS.
SO, AND THAT'S EVEN MORE NOW, YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT WE NEED TO GET THE SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY OUT.
I KNOW THAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE ACTUALLY MORE IMPORTANT.
AND JOEY TOLD ME THAT TODAY ALSO.
BUT LAST WEEK I SAID TIME SENSITIVITY.
MAKE SURE YOU SURE YOU HAVE TIME TO DO IT THOUGH.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME.
WE HAD SPENT ALL THE TIME GOING THROUGH, WE HAD THE, THE PRESENTATION AND WE HAD ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT PUSHED AND WE WERE LATE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE WE DID.
I MEAN, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE THE TIME WE WERE DEVOTING TO IT, BUT WHATEVER.
I THOUGHT THAT LAST WEEK, THAT'S WHY I SPENT SO MUCH TIME PUTTING ON THE RECORD.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU DID ON IT, AND I HOPE YOU APPRECIATE MINE.
NOW MY, MY SUGGESTION BE IF PEOPLE HAVE, UM, ANY ISSUES WITH THE SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY, ANY SUGGESTIONS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, THEY COULD FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME PRIOR TO NEXT WEEK'S MEETING AS WELL.
AND THEN WE, AND THEN, AND THEN, SO THEN WHAT'S GONNA GO ON FOR NEXT MEETING? IS THAT GONNA GO, IS THAT EVERYONE COLLECTIVELY, UM, SUGGESTIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEE FOR NEXT WEEK? YES.
IF, IF EVERYBODY, IF THERE IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, AND IF THERE ARE NO EDITS, SUGGESTIONS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, I'LL PUT IT ON THE FEBRUARY MEETING FOR THE OFFICIAL PHONE AND WE'LL GO AND THEN WE'LL GO.
IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT? WHAT'S THAT? YES.
'CAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY READING THIS BECAUSE THE RULE A BASICALLY TAKES THE ROLE OF THE SUPERVISOR OUT OF RUNNING THE MEETING.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYMORE.
BUT THAT WAS UP FOR DISCUSSION.
THE SUPERVISOR DOESN'T RUN THE MEETING, SO YEAH, I DO RUN THE MEETING.
WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT,
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SO WE'RE STARTING AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND UM, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WHO, UH, SPEAKS, IT'S GONNA BE QUICK.UM, AND WHAT DO WE HAVE? DO WE HAVE ALL THE MAYOR? WE START SEVEN.
WHY WE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK? THE MAYORS.
AND I, AND DID SOME EDITING ON THE PROX SO WE CAN WE'RE SIGNING THEM TONIGHT, TOMORROW.
UM, AND, UH, BY SEVEN 30, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE.
UM, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GO TO, NOT TERRYTOWN, THIS IS INCORRECT.
IRVINGTON, LEY, DOBBS, HASTINGS AND IRVINGTON.
I'M, WHERE WERE WE? WHERE ARE WE? I PROMISE.
UM, THE, THAT SHOULD START AT SEVEN.
WHAT'S HAPPENING THEN? IT ALL SHOULD START AT SEVEN, RIGHT? THAT'S THE, UH, FEBRUARY 25TH.
WELL, I WANTED TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
I HAVE BLACK HISTORY MONTH ALMOST.
I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT, RIGHT.
UM, SO WE HAD TO CELEBRATE BLACK HISTORY MONTH.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO IT THE FEBRUARY 25TH, WHICH TOWN CLERK HAS JUST, UM, MENTIONED.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE, AND YOU, IT'S CONFIRMED BECAUSE I DIDN'T CONFIRMED, I DID NOT HEAR FROM COUNCILMAN.
SHE, I MEAN, COUNCILMAN JONES.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE, UM, GREENBERG MUSEUM, HISTORY MUSEUM COME AND PRESENT, AND THEN THEY'LL DO A PRESENTATION, UH, FOR BLACK HISTORY.
SO THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE, UM, ON THE 25TH.
AND THAT'S PRIOR TO IT BEING WELL, NO, IT'LL BE AFTER.
WHEN'S THE RECEPT? NO, 'CAUSE THERE'S TWO OTHER EVENTS WITH THE, WELL, THERE'S THE EVENT WHERE THEY'RE BRINGING IT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S ON THE 20TH.
AND SO THAT'S SORT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, PARTNERING WITH THAT IN A WAY, CORRECT? MM-HMM
SO, AND VINNY BAGWELL WAS ON THE FOURTH, RIGHT? AT THE LIBRARY.
AND THE BANNERS APPARENTLY ARE NOT GOING TO BE INSTALLED UNTIL LIKE LATER IN JUNE.
AND HE WILL BE SPEAKING, HE WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT THAT DURING THE BLACK HISTORY PRESENTATION AS WELL.
AND THERE'LL BE A DISPLAY OF THEM AT SOME POINT ALSO OF THE PROPOSED, UH, BANNERS.
UH, YEAH, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THAT FAR BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO.
UM, YOU SENT ME AN EMAIL FORMULATE WHO'S GOING TO BE POND.
IF WE GET ANOTHER SNOW STORM THE END OF THIS WEEK, THEY COULD ACTUALLY CLIMB UP THE MOUNTAIN OF SNOW AND PUT THEM RIGHT UP WITHOUT A LADDER.
THIS SUMMIT THIS WEEKEND AND THE WEDNESDAY, WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PUT THE, NOW WEDNESDAY ONE OF THE BOARD MEETINGS.
WE DO OUR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH CELEBRATION, RIGHT? UH, YES.
SO WE NEED TO TALK, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOO.
AND I HAVE, I ALREADY HAVE MY RECOMMENDATION, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.
WELL, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT.
WE NEED TO START SCHEDULING THAT.
WE, WE NEED TO START SCHEDULING THAT.
SHOULD WE, WE SHOULD HAVE A CONFERENCE CALL.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIGURE OUT A CONFERENCE CALL AND HAVE, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE TALK? I'M HERE ALL DAY.
SHOULD WE SAY THE 25TH? 'CAUSE THAT'LL GIVE US A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR PLANNING.
FOR WHAT? THE 25TH FOR THE PERFORM HISTORY? YEAH.
OH, AM WAIT, AM I HERE AND THEN MAKE THAT 70, UM, SEVEN O'CLOCK? YES.
I DON'T THINK I'M TRAVELING THAT.
I DON'T THINK I'M TRAVELING THAT.
DO YOU KNOW WHY GOLDEN CRUST WAS, UH, PICKED? YEAH.
UH, THEY BASICALLY, UH, HAVE DONATED A LOT OF, UM, THEY HAVE DURING THANKSGIVING, THEY A LOT OF FOOD TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THEY HAVE A, A THANKSGIVING EVENT.
THEY'VE DONE AN AWFUL LOT OF, UM, CHARITABLE, UM, EFFORTS.
UM, SO CHARMAINE GIDDING, WHO'S THE OWNER OF GOLDEN CREST, HAS BEEN GIVEN BACK FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UM, SHE'S, SHE'S CONDUCTED MANY OF THE THANKSGIVING GIVEAWAYS THAT SHE DOES AT THE STORE RIGHT BEFORE.
SHE'S ALSO HAVE GIVEN AWAY DINNERS UP AT CHRIST TEMPLE CHURCH ON THANKSGIVING.
UM, SO SHE HAS BEEN A VERY ACTIVE, UM, AWESOME PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO SHE'S BEEN REALLY GREAT BUSINESS.
SO SHE'S BEEN REALLY GIVEN A BACK A LOT.
AND THE DINNERS THAT THEY'VE GIVEN A SUBSTANTIAL, IT'S A REALLY SUBSTANTIAL DONATION THAT THEY'VE GIVEN EVERY YEAR.
SO ALL THE PRESENTATIONS INCLUDE THE MAYOR, THE FOUR MAYORS, AND THE COMMUNITY SERVICE AND THE, UM, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
THOSE WILL ALL BE BETWEEN SEVEN AND SEVEN 30.
SO THE, SO THE GREENBERG CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S NOT COMING FROM US, IT'S COMING FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
SO WE'RE NOT SIGNING AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GIVING ANYTHING.
UM, FOR THE MOMENT OF SILENCE, DO WE WANNA ADD, UM, THE VICTIMS IN
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MINNESOTA? YES.HERE I HAD SUGGESTED, UH, THAT WE, UH, PUT THE FLAG AT HALF STAFF.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THE BOARD WOULD GO ALONG WITH THAT.
I THINK, I THINK, ELLEN DID YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION? I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT TRYING, I'M JUST SAYING DID YOU HAVE A CON DID YOU HAVE A NO, I DID NOT.
NO, I, I, I WOULD LIKE, WE TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER.
WE, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT FURTHER.
BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY ADD IN THE BLURB ABOUT, OKAY.
ABOUT MINNEAPOLIS VICTIMS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD NAME THEM.
WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE NAME THEM.
NOT JUST SAY VICTIMS, JUST NAME THEM.
'CAUSE I JUST SAID VICTIMS. OKAY.
SO THE PRESENTATIONS WOULD SAY TOTAL 30 MINUTES EACH.
GIRL, THE NIGHT, I'M SORRY, I NEED PUT, ARE NOT GONNA, TODAY WAS ROUGH.
FOUR MAYORS WILL NOT TAKE 10 MINUTES ALTOGETHER.
I THINK THAT THEY WANT HER, THEY'LL BE HAPPY TO GET OUT OF HERE.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THE INDIVIDUAL ONES HAVE TO BE AS LONG.
IF, YOU KNOW THE, WE'VE GOT FOUR PEOPLE TOGETHER FOR 10 MINUTES AND THEN WE'VE GOT TWO INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE.
THAT SEEMS A LITTLE, WHAT IS THIS SEVEN NOT HAPPENING? NO.
SO WE JUST, AT LEAST WE'RE STARTING AT 10.
AT LEAST WE'RE STARTING AT SEVEN.
THEY HAVEN'T DONE THEM IN A WHILE, BUT I HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT 'CAUSE MY TEAM HAS BEEN VERY BUSY AND I GOT A VIDEO TO GO WITH IT.
AND HAVE YOU SHARED THAT WITH THE BOARD WHAT YOU WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT THE REST OF US DON'T HAVE.
UM, IF Y'ALL NOT WATCHING THE NEWS, SHAME ON YOUR
Y'ALL SEEN EXACTLY WHAT I'VE SEEN AND Y'ALL SEEN THE EMAILS THAT I HAVE SEEN.
SO, SO WE'RE TAKING OFF REORGANIZATION, I GUESS, IN THE MEANING OF RULES AND PROCEDURES.
WELL, NO, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THESE THINGS WE DESIGNATE BANK ACCOUNTS, WE THERE A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE.
WE SHOULD PUT THE SAME LANGUAGE AS LAST TIME THAT THE RULES AND PROCEDURES OF 25, OF 24 AND 25 APPLY TO THIS MEETING.
BUT WE'RE NOT DOING THE TOWN BOARD RULES AND PROCEDURES AT THIS MEETING.
IT'S JUST SEEMS, IT SEEMS TO BE REALITY.
SO IT'S TOLD OVER UNTIL TWO 11.
UM, YOU KNOW, I SAY, YOU KNOW, DECISION RELATING TO, YOU KNOW, THE EAST IRVINGTON FIRE DISTRICT AND, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF AND, UH, TERRYTOWN HAS YES.
IS THERE ANY PROGRESS REPORT ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE A PROGRESS REPORT RIGHT NOW.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE ACTUALS HAVE BEEN SENT.
HONESTLY, I'VE BEEN ATTENDING TO MUCH MORE TIME SENSITIVE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE JUST BEEN REFERRING TO ITEMS LIKE THAT.
UH, BUT I WILL MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO GET RESOLVED.
BECAUSE, UH, EVEN IF WE JU THEY JUST ASKED FOR A MEETING, OH NO, I'LL BE HERE.
BUT TO HAVE A MEETING WITHOUT HAVING DOCUMENTATION, NO, I'M NOT.
THEY SENT US DOCUMENTATION, WHICH FRANKLY SEEMS VERY INFLATED.
WELL THEN, AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S A MEETING THAT, AND THAT'S WHY JOE HAS ASKED, I BELIEVE, DID, DID THAT EMAIL GO OUT? I THOUGHT IT DID, BUT I HAVE TO CHECK.
SINCE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2024, WHY GO BY, YOU KNOW, WISHLIST BUDGET NUMBERS.
WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE US THE ACTUALS OF WHAT YOU SPENT AND THAT WOULD MAKE SO MUCH SENSE.
THE ONLY THING THAT I FEEL IS THAT IF A VILLAGE OR A FIRE DISTRICT, THEY'RE ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE REALLY DEDICATED, YOU KNOW, THEY PROVIDE A SERVICE AND IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR A MEETING AND ON, IT'S STILL FROM 2020.
THE LAST TIME WE PAID THEM WAS 2023.
I FEEL THAT IF WE HAD, UM, HALF HOUR MEETING, SO THESE ARE THE ISSUES, UH, THAT ARE UNRESOLVED AND WE, AND WE HAVE FREQUENT MEETINGS, THEN WE COULD GET IT RESOLVED AND THEY'LL FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE, UM, ABOUT DEALING WITH THE TOWN.
BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE, ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS GET PEOPLE, MUNICIPALITIES AND, UH, VOLUNTEERS UPSET WITH THE TOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GREAT FOR THE TOWN'S REPUTATION.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, LET'S JUST, CAN I SOMETHING REAL QUICK, MAKE IT OUR MIND THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS RESOLVED.
WE'LL HAVE A MEETING IF WE NEED IT.
YOU COULD TELL THEM WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND UH, AND THEN WE COULD GET A CONTRACT WORKED UP.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY WILL FEEL BETTER ABOUT THE TOWN.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'LL MAKE THAT A PRIORITY.
AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I UNDERSTAND WHY COUNCILMAN SHEHAN THOUGHT THE REQUEST WENT OUT.
IT'S BECAUSE WE WERE DOING AN INTERNAL REVIEW FIRST AND I NEEDED ONE MORE ITEM COMPLETE BEFORE THAT REQUEST CAME OUT.
SO IF ANYONE'S LISTENING FROM TERRYTOWN,
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NO, I DID NOT SEND THAT REQUEST YET, BUT IT WILL BE FORTHCOMING VERY SOON.BUT PAUL, YOU TALKING ABOUT GOOD RELATIONS, YOU EVEN PUT A LETTER TO THE EDITOR AND ONE OF THE, THE ONLINE PAPERS, YOU THINK IT'S TERRIBLE THAT THE TOWN HASN'T PAID THEM SINCE 2023.
AND I'LL KEEP REPEATING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
WE DIDN'T GET THE BILL AND YOU KEPT SAYING THE TOWN SHOULD PAY.
AND I WOULD SAY TO YOU, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, PAY WHAT? WE DIDN'T GET THE BILL.
AND TARRYTOWN NOW ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THEY DIDN'T SEND US A BILL UNTIL THE VERY END OF 2025 FOR THAT 20 20 24.
UM, NOW THEY SENT IT TO US AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CHARGING FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT REAL.
AND SO WE INSTEAD, IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO OUT, BUT IT WILL GO OUT.
LET'S NOT GO BACK AND FORTH OVER BUDGET NUMBERS.
LET'S ACTUALLY, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SPENT MONEY, LET'S REIMBURSE YOU FOR WHAT YOU SPENT SO THAT THE FIRE COMPANIES GET THE MONEY THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO.
BUT PROVIDE US WITH THE DATA, UH, FOR THOSE.
BUT YOU REPEATEDLY, EVERY CHANCE YOU GET, SAY, I THINK IT'S TERRIBLE, LET'S HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VILLAGES.
BUT TARRYTOWN NEVER SENT THE BILL UNTIL THE END OF LAST YEAR.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THEN THEY REALIZED THEY SENT THE WRONG NUMBERS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO GET ACROSS TO YOU THAT YOU CAN KEEP SAYING IT'S TERRIBLE.
THE TOWN IS NOT WORKING WITH THE VILLAGES, BUT WE NEED THEM.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE VILLAGE AT THIS POINT.
WE NEED, WE NEED THE VILLAGE TO STEP UP, GIVE US THE INFORMATION YOU WANT, ALL THE, THE, THE, UH, THE FIRE COMPANIES OF THE VILLAGES TO PROVIDE US THE DATA THAT THEY NEED BY, WHAT WAS IT? FEBRUARY? MARCH.
ALRIGHT, LET'S SEE IF THAT HAPPENS.
SOME OF THE CONTRACTS ARE NOT WRITTEN THAT WAY TO, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
BUT LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.
AND THEN WHAT WE COULD EVEN EVEN DO FURTHER IS, YOU KNOW, IF THEIR NUMBERS AREN'T QUITE RIGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ENTITLEMENT TO LOOKING AT THE, THE NUMBERS, THE AUDIT.
AND IF YOU KNOW THEY SPENT MORE THAN WHAT THEY PUT INTO THEIR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, WE REIMBURSE 'EM THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
AND IF THEY PUT LESS, WELL, OKAY, THEN WE TAKE THAT OFF OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
SO WE'RE PAYING ACTUAL NUMBERS.
AND THAT'LL AVOID WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW, BACK AND FORTH SINCE 2024.
AND YOU PUT A LETTER OUT TO THE EDITOR, UH, TO THE NEW, TO THE PEOPLE MAKING IT SEEM LIKE THE TOWN WASN'T DOING ITS JOB.
SO WHAT IS THIS PUBLIC HEARING TRANSCRIPT FORTHCOMING? SORRY, THAT WAS, THAT'S THAT WAS FROM MY MINUTES.
SO JUST OH YEAH, THAT COMES OFF.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE WITH AGENDA QUICK ON FRIDAY.
THAT'S WHY THESE DOESN'T JUST SEEM TO BE WORKING WELL RIGHT NOW.
I CAN'T, I COULDN'T EVEN GET INTO IT EARLIER.
WELL, YEAH, COULD YOU JUST TELL PETER TO RESET THE SERVER? YES.
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, THAT'S ALL IT TAKES.
ON FRIDAY IT WAS PRESS A KEY WAIT.
WE THOUGHT, WE THOUGHT FRIDAY AFTERNOON THIS THING WAS PUBLISHED, BUT SOMEHOW BETWEEN IT INDICATING THAT THE PUBLISH WAS CLICKED AND IT ACTUALLY GETTING PROCESSED, SOMETHING HAPPENED AND IT NEVER DID.
SO HOLLY SAID TO ME THIS MORNING, SHE SAID, THE AGENDA'S NOT PUBLISHED.
I SAID, HOW'S IT NOT PUBLISHED? WE PUBLISHED IT ON FRIDAY, BUT IT WAS THAT WAIT, WAIT.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING AS BAD.
I MEAN IT WAS JUST NO PRODUCTIVITY WHATSOEVER.
'CAUSE HOLLY WAS LIKE, YOU GOT A TIME LIMIT CHECK.
I WAS LIKE, OKAY, I GOT IT TOMORROW MORNING, FIRST DAY.
UH, MAY MAYBE, BUT IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
YOU COULD DO IT IN THE MORNING.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE WORST I'VE EVER SEEN.
I WAS LIKE, I REMEMBER I WAS LIKE, WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING? RIGHT.
UM, REGARDING THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, YOU GUYS INTERVIEWED TWO MEMBERS, UM, ONE OF THE, OH, SORRY.
IF THAT, THAT, THAT FITS THE CRITERIA OF EXECUTIVE SESSION BEFORE YOU START MENTIONING NAMES.
I DIDN'T GET, GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO JUMP IN THERE, BUT I, I COULD TELL WHERE SHE WAS GOING.
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AND EVERYBODY SAW, UH, SORRY.EVERYBODY GOT, UM, THE MEMO FROM RICH, UH, REGARDING THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES.
SO THA HASN'T SAID THEY WANT TO POSTPONE THE MEETING? NO, I THINK WE'RE PROCEEDING TOMORROW.
WHAT'S THAT? I FLIP THE STENOGRAPHER NOW.
DO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE PARK BENCHES AT FOR EDDIE MAY AND CLAUDIA WHITE.
WHEN DID WE MAKE THAT DECISION? NO, IT'S ON HERE.
PARKS AND REQUISITE AUTHOR RESOLUTION AUTHORIZED IN TOWN OF GREENBURG.
OH, THAT'S UP TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
I JUST SAID DO WE KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO? AND WE STILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FOR EDDIE MAY, UM, CONTRACTS.
UM, PW ONE AND PW TWO NEED TO BE HELD OVER PLEASE FOR FURTHER TIME TO REVIEW THE CONTRACTS.
SO WHY DON'T YOU MAKE PW ONE PW THREE AND PW TWO PW FOUR SO THAT WHEN WE DON'T HAVE RESOLUTIONS, WE'LL WE'RE NOT GONNA BE WHAT HAPPENED TO PW ONE AND P THE PW TWO.
ARE WE ALMOST DONE? LET ME KNOW WHEN EVERYONE'S DONE WITH THE, UM, AGENDA ON TB SEVEN.
DO YOU WANT ME TO ADD THE AMOUNT OF THE ANNUAL FEES FOR A OT? YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE GOOD.
YEAH, IT WENT UP TO 2300 REPORT.
AND THAT'S BASED ON OUR SIZE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ARE YOU NOT GOING TO CAUCUS? MM-HMM
I I LEAVE RIGHT OUTTA CAUCUS AND GO STRAIGHT DOWN TO MANHATTAN.
OH, SO YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BE THERE FOR A DAY? NO, NO, NO.
I GO, I LEAVE ON FRIDAY, I GO TO CAUCUS, CAUCUS AND THEN MONDAY MORNING I LEAVE AT FOUR O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND I GET THERE AROUND SEVEN.
'CAUSE THE MEETING SAYS FEBRUARY 14TH.
FEBRUARY 14TH IS ON A SATURDAY.
NO, THAT'S WHEN THE, THAT'S WHEN THE, THAT'S THE ENTIRE OH, YOU ONLY GO FOR THAT WORK? YEAH, THAT'S THE ENTIRE RIGHT.
I ONLY GO FOR MONDAY AND TUESDAY.
IT USED TO LAST UNTIL WEDNESDAY, BUT THEY CHANGED IT, IT STARTS ON SUNDAY THE 15TH.
I DON'T THINK IT STARTS ON SATURDAY.
THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS MEETING.
SO WHILE EVERYONE IS, WHILE EVERYONE IS CONTINUING AND, AND FINISH WRAPPING UP THE AGENDA, I, I JUST REALLY WANT TO SAY AND COMMEND THE DPW STAFF FOR THE HARD WORK THEY DID DURING THIS HORRENDOUS STORM THAT WE HAD.
WE HAD OVER WHAT I THINK 17 AND RICH, CORRECT ME, I THINK 17 INCHES OF SNOW.
WE USED OVER 50 CREWS AND THEY WERE ON SITE FOR WHAT, 32 HOURS STRAIGHT.
SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE DEDICATION, I KNOW THERE WAS, I WAS ON A CALL LAST NIGHT AND THERE WERE COMPLAINTS ABOUT, UM, THE DRIVEWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE SNOW BEING IN FRONT OF THE, THE HOUSE, THE DRIVEWAY.
AND I TOTALLY FEEL AND UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE, WELL THIS TIME I HAVEN'T BEEN THE ONE TO CLEAN IT OUT, HIRE
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SOMEBODY TO THAT, BUT, BUT I JUST WANNA JUST REALLY, REALLY COMMEND THE CREWS FOR THE HARD WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE.UM, THEY'VE BEEN DEALING WITH MAIN BREAKS.
UM, THE, THE PRIOR WEEK WE'RE DEALING WITH MAIN BREAKS NOW, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN ON TOP OF IT.
AND RICH, YOU AND FRANK, A PHENOMENAL JOB.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR CONTINUE TO UPDATE ALL OF US.
AND I HAVE TO ALSO COMMEND, UM, CHIEF POWELL AS WELL AND HIS STAFF BECAUSE THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE WEEKEND THEY, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ON IT AS YOU ALWAYS ARE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THIS WAS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD SNOW SINCE LIKE THIS SINCE 2016, SO TO COME BACK AND DEAL WITH THIS AND YOUR EFFORTS WERE AMAZING.
SO I JUST WANT TO REALLY COMMEND YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND PARKS AND REC.
'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO SIDEWALK AND PARKS AND RECS FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT 17 INCHES THOUGH.
I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I WAS ON, UM, THE PHONE WITH, UM, RICH, UH, DAY, NIGHT, UH, WEEKEND, AND HE ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR CALLS, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CALLS GREAT.
AND FOLLOWED UP ON EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK HE WORKED REALLY HARD AND I THINK, UH, OUR TOWN STAFF WORKED VERY HARD.
THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT, UM, STORM, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO ADDRESS.
THEY'RE STILL NOT FINISHED WITH ALL THE CLEANUP, BUT I, I THINK THEY'RE REALLY, UH, DEFINITELY, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, PLEASED WITH, UM, UH, WITH THE RESPONSIVENESS.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE THE 16 INCHES OF SNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THINK THAT, UM, IT'S STILL GONNA NORTH IN FIVE MINUTES, BUT IT, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY DIFFICULT.
SO I WAS, YOU KNOW, I REALLY DIDN'T HAVE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE RESPONSIVENESS OF, OF RICH OR THE DEPARTMENT OR THE EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN WORKING.
AND I THINK, I THINK ALSO THIS WEEKEND ALSO SHOW THE IMPORTANCE OF MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE REMOVES THEIR CARS OFF THE STREETS SO STAFF CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET IN AND CLEAN THE STREETS OUT, CLEAN THE STREETS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, WITHOUT ANY INCIDENT.
SO, UM, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT A SIGNAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE THAT WE'RE UNDER SNOW ORDINANCE.
I KNOW EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US BEEN PUTTING ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIAS AND WE'VE PUT IT ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE, BUT WE REALLY NEED EVERYONE BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING A STORM, UH, COMING UP, UH, SUNDAY, I BELIEVE THIS WEEKEND, THIS WEEKEND, ANOTHER ONE.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE SAFE.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE ADHERES TO, UM, OUR NOTICES.
I MEAN, NOT BAD NEWS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE ENFORCING.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE TICKETING, WE ARE TOWING.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE REALLY ARE, UM, MOVING THEIR CARS APPROPRIATELY AND THEY SHOULDN'T THROW SNOW BACK IN THE STREET BECAUSE ONE OH YES.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS THE CREWS GO OUT, THEY DO A GOOD JOB, AND THEN PEOPLE JUST THROW THE SNOW BACK ON THE STREET, THEN IT BECOMES SLIPPERY AGAIN.
AND THEN, UH, THE PLOWS, UH, PLOWED RIGHT BACK, UH, YOU KNOW, ON, YOU KNOW, AT THE EDGE OF THEIR DRIVEWAY.
SO PEOPLE SHOULD PUT THEIR SNOW ON THEIR LAWN, RIGHT? THIS WAS DIFFICULT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF SNOW AND WE, WE'VE GOTTEN SPOILED AND HAVEN'T HAD SUCH LARGE SNOWSTORMS IN, IN A LONG, LONG TIME.
SO IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A CHALLENGE, BUT BECAUSE THE SNOW IS NOT GOING AWAY AND IF WE GOT MORE SNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE OF A PROBLEM.
IF YOU DO CLEAR OUT, UM, IF YOU'RE FACING THE STREET FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR DRIVEWAY, IF YOU CLEAR OUT TO THE LEFT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT SIX OR EIGHT FEET, UH, YOU'LL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SNOW THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA GO IN FRONT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY.
BUT I DO WANT TO URGE PEOPLE, UH, 'CAUSE I WAS VERY DISTURBED THIS MORNING SEEING SCHOOL BUSES WITH 11 OR 12 INCHES OF SNOW ON THEIR ROOF.
AND I'VE SEEN IT ON VEHICLES AS WELL.
THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE SCHOOL BUS FILLED WITH SNOW, AT SOME POINT THAT'S GONNA COME OFF.
NOT ONLY IS IT GOING TO LEAVE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SNOW, WHICH WILL THEN FREEZE AND MAKE SLIPPERY CONDITIONS ON THE ROADWAY, BUT IF THERE'S A CAR BEHIND YOU AND THAT GOES INTO THE WINDSHIELD YEAH.
THAT THING'S GONNA BREAK THE WINDSHIELD.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE AT LEAST GIVING WARNINGS WHEN THEY SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU, WHEN YOU CLEAN OFF YOUR WINDSHIELD, CLEAN OFF THE TOP OF YOUR VEHICLE BECAUSE IT MAKES A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE.
AND, UH, YOU DON'T WANNA BE THE ONE THAT'S SKIDDING AND YOU CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE LIABLE FOR THE PERSON THAT YOU INJURE BEHIND YOU.
AND FURTHER, IF IT'S, IF IT'S POWDER THAT'S ON THE TOP OF YOUR CAR RIGHT.
THIS IS NOT POWDER THAT, THAT IMPEDES PEOPLE'S VISIBILITY BEHIND YOU.
SO THAT MAKES FOR VERY UNSAFE CONDITIONS.
AND IF IT'S ICED OVER LIKE IT DID.
THAT THE PROBLEM, THAT'S, THAT'S EVEN MORE OF A PROBLEM.
SO IT WAS ICED OVER SO IT DIDN'T JUST FLY OFF LIKE FLURRIES.
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IT, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO COME OFF IN ONE SHEET.COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER, FOND, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT YOU WANTED TO MAKE, SIR? YES, I DO.
AND, UH, I APPRECIATE ALL THE, THE, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD AND THE THANKS.
I DO WANT TO SAY I SIT IN AN OFFICE DURING THE STORM, UH, THE OUTSIDE OPERATIONS RUN BY FRANK MODO AND ARE VERY CAPABLE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF PUB, PUBLIC WORKS CREW AND PARKS DEPARTMENT.
AND THIS TIME, UH, KUDOS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW THEY HAD TO TOW 10 VEHICLES.
THE STAFF OUTSIDE DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT.
AND WE HAVE TO KEEP MAKING SURE THAT WHAT OUR JOB IS TO GET THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO DO THIS WORK.
THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
IT'S A EXTREMELY DIFFICULT JOB.
AND THEY DID IT WITH, WITH SUCH EASE THIS TIME AND REALLY FANTASTIC JOB TO THE CREWS ALL ON THE SIDEWALKS, THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE STUFF, ALL THE ROADWAYS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST WRAPPED UP VERY LATE TONIGHT.
WE'RE GONNA BE BACK AT IT TOMORROW.
AS, AS I TEXTED GINA EARLIER, IN ADDITION TO ALL THAT, WE HAVE ACTIVE WATER MAIN BREAKS.
SO THEY'RE DEALING WITH THAT ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THE OUTSIDE STAFF, REALLY TREMENDOUS.
WE ARE SO VERY LUCKY TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANNA WORK AND WORK SO HARD AND DO SUCH A GREAT JOB AT IT.
SO ALL MY THANKS GOES TO THEM AND, UH, VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE SUPPORT OF THE BOARD.
WE ALSO WANNA, WE ALSO, I'M SORRY, GIMME JUST TWO SECONDS.
UM, RICH, YOU MENTIONED, UH, COMMISSIONER YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, AND THE REASON WHY I DIDN'T MENTION TO THE BOARD YET, BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, RULES AND REGULATIONS, AND WE GOT THREE WATER MAIN BREAKS.
ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S FOUR THAT I SEE ON MY LIST HERE.
AND THIS IS GOING TO OCCUR BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS AGING AND THIS WEATHER IS REALLY COLD.
SO THIS IS NOT GONNA, THIS IS NOT ONE-OFFS.
WE MAY SEE MORE OF THEM AS THE SEASON IS HERE.
SO WE JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
AND THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOU COMMISSIONER, MAKING SURE THAT STAFF IS ADDRESSING 'EM AS, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST GREENBERG, IT'S ALL MUNICIPALITIES ALL OVER EXPERIENCE IN THE SAME THING.
UH, SO MONDAY'S GARBAGE AND PAPER WAS CANCELED.
AND THE WHAT'S MY, NOTHING, I JUST THOUGHT ABOUT MY GARBAGE.
YOU THOUGHT ABOUT YOUR GARBAGE
WELL, DON'T LOOK AT ME WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT.
UM, WHAT'S MAGICAL ABOUT MONDAYS, THAT PAPER CAN BE PICKED UP, UM, ON MONDAYS, BUT IT CAN'T BE PICKED UP ON THURSDAY.
UM, SINCE IT WAS CANCELED ON MONDAYS, SINCE SO MANY PEOPLE GET PACKAGES AND AMAZON AND ALL, YOU KNOW, BOXES AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
IS THERE A REASON WHY WE CAN'T PICK UP PAPER WHEN WE'RE PICKING UP THE GARBAGE ON THURSDAY? WE CANNOT MIX THE TWO, BUT WE, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO ON MONDAYS? WELL, AGAIN, THE SCHEDULE IS VERY SPECIFIC AND EACH YEAR, UH, THE ENTIRE STAFF GOES THROUGH THESE, THESE, UH, SCHEDULES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THE TOWN IS BROKEN UP INTO SECTIONS, RIGHT? UH, WE KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE ABLE TO PICK UP AND GET TO THE MURPH DURING THE DAY.
UM, AND THERE'S NO TWO RUNS DURING THE DAY.
SO I COULD ASSURE YOU, WE COULD RE-LOOK AT THINGS, BUT THAT'S BASICALLY DOWN TO A SCIENCE AT THIS POINT.
AND I, I KNOW YOU ALL REMEMBER BRIAN SIMMONS, UH, THE, THE FORMER DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, UH, HE ENGINEERED THAT TO A T.
UM, SO THERE ARE REASONS FOR THE SCHEDULING, JUST LIKE WHEN WE GET INTO THE HOLIDAY SEASONS, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST YEARS AS THE REAL NEEDS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GARBAGE, I KNOW SUPERVISOR FINE HAS TALKED A FEW TIMES ABOUT GOING TO ONE DAY A WEEK PICKUP.
IT, IT'S, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.
IT'S, IT'S JUST THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL OUT THERE.
AND I DID SEND, UH, COUNCILWOMAN GINA JACKSON, WE HAD A YEAR END VIDEO DONE.
UM, IF EVERYBODY IS ALL RIGHT WITH THAT, WE CAN GET THAT OUT.
UM, BUT IT SHOWS THAT THE EXTREME NUMBERS THAT THE SANITATION IS PICKING UP.
UM, AND WE DON'T LIKE TO CANCEL SANITATION, BUT WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR STAFF IS NOT IN HARM'S WAY.
AND I ALSO WANT TO SPELL OUT THAT WE HAVE SANITATION, A LOT OF SANITATION EMPLOYEES WORKING DURING THE SNOW OPERATIONS
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AS WE TRY TO DO THINGS MORE EFFICIENTLY.SO SOMETIMES THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON'T LIKE FOR IT TO HAPPEN, BUT SOMETIMES IT DOES.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE, THERE IS A REASON AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT GETTING PICKED UP.
AND I, I CAN GET YOU, THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW.
THAT'S ALL I, I TALKED SO EXCITED TO TALK TO HIM.
WE APPRECIATE, WE APPRECIATE YOU AS WELL.
THANK YOU TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WHO HELPED.
AND EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYEE WHO WAS PUT THEMSELVES ON LINE.
WAS EVERYBODY AWARE THAT 12, UH, NEWS 12, UH, LISA AKA YES.
THE GREENBERG DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
OKAY, SO WE'RE DONE WITH, UH, THE, DO YOU NEED CLOSE THIS OUT? WHAT? CLOSE THIS OUT.
I'M CLOSING OUT THE, UH, UH, AGENDA REVIEW AND MOVE FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING PERSONNEL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS TO, UM, SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.
I LIKE TO SAY THIS IS ALSO A HOLOCAUST.