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UH, WELCOME TARA TOWN BOARD, UH, WORK SESSION.TODAY IS, UH, FEBRUARY 3RD, AND IT'S ABOUT 5 45, UH, PM FIRST, UH, ISSUE IS, UH, THE REORGANIZATION AND RULES AND PROCEDURES.
SO I HAD ONE ADDITION FOR THE REORGANIZATION FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEES BECAUSE I REALIZED ONE SUBCOMMITTEE WE HADN'T ADDED, WHICH IS THIS HARTSDALE BUSINESS DISTRICT TASK FORCE THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
AND PAUL AND, AND TRUDY HOLLAND AND STEVE GOLDBERG.
IS THAT NOT, THAT'S NOT THE CHAMBER OF
NO, SHE'S, SHE'S IN THE MEETING.
UH, I ALSO FEEL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A BUDGET COMMITTEE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE FORENSIC AUDIT HIGHLIGHTS THE FACT THAT, UM, UH, WE HAVE TO, UM, UM, GET MORE INPUT FROM RESIDENTS AS TO, AND MORE OVERSIGHT IN TERMS OF, UH, BUDGET ISSUES.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I'VE SUGGESTED IN THE PAST THAT WE CREATE A BUDGET, UH, CITIZENS BUDGET COMMITTEE, AND PERHAPS EVERY BOARD MEMBER COULD APPOINT SOMEBODY THAT THEY WANT, UM, TO THE COMMITTEE.
AND, UM, AND THAT THAT COMMITTEE WOULD WORK, UH, WITH, UM, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ON, ON BUDGET MATTERS AND, UM, AND COME UP WITH CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS.
I ONLY OBJECTION, YOUR MIC IS OFF IF YOU EXPECT THE, YEAH.
THE ONLY OBJECTION IS IF YOU EXPECT THE CONTROLLER TO BE TEACHING PEOPLE ABOUT THE BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK THAT'S NECESSARY TO GET US OUT OF THE FINANCIAL HOLD THAT WE'RE IN.
WELL, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE, UH, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TEACHING.
IT'S BASICALLY THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE REALLY SMART, HAVE BUDGETARY, UH, YOU KNOW, EXPERTISE.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, HAVING A CA COMMITTEE OF CITIZENS, UM, UH, WOULD BE, WOULD BE REALLY GREAT.
YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME I REACH OUT AND, UM, INVITE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO GET INVOLVED, WE, WE GET A LOT OF REALLY OUTSTANDING, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS.
CAN YOU BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THAT COMMITTEE WILL DO AND HOW THEY, BECAUSE THE, THE FORENSIC AUDIT POINTS OUT SOME SYSTEMIC ISSUES, NOT NECESSARILY BUDGETING ISSUES.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I, THE CORRELATION IS A LITTLE BIT OBSCURE FOR ME.
WELL, BUT MAYBE YOU, YOU SEE A CONNECTION THAT I'M JUST NOT SEEING? WELL, THE CONNECTION I SEE IS THAT ANY ASPECT, DEALING WITH A BUDGET, UH, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, UM, ASK, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, ASK MEMBERS OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE FOR THEIR ADVICE.
UM, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE FORENSIC AUDIT COULD BE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, BY THEM, UH, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH, UH, THE TAX RATES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, OR POSSIBLE SERVICE, UM, YOU KNOW, CUTS OR, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY OUTSOURCING, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS, UM, OVERSIGHT OF OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS, UH, CONTRACTORS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TYPES OF ISSUES THAT COULD COME UP.
UH, YOU KNOW, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT, UM, WE SHOULD ALWAYS, EVERY, AFTER EVERY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, UM, THE AUDITOR, WE SHOULD CHANGE COMPANIES OR DO, UH, RFP.
UH, WE COULD ASK, UH, THE MEMBERS OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE IF THEY HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS ON THAT.
IF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, I MEAN THE BOARD, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON SALARIES.
I, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DISAGREED OR, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU'VE BEEN MORE INCLINED TO SUPPORT SALARY HIKES.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BASICALLY ASK MEMBERS OF THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE, 'CAUSE THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO DEAL WITH, BUT COMMITTEE, THESE ARE PEOPLE, BUT TYPICALLY BUDGET COMMITTEES.
JUST SO I CAN, I MEAN, YOU CAN KEEP TALKING, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST INTERJECT.
TYPICALLY, BUDGET COMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS BUDGET COMMITTEES WEIGH IN ON PRACTICES.
THEY DON'T WEIGH IN ON SALARIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THAT'S INTERNAL STUFF.
NO, UH, WELL, THEY, THEY WOULD, THEY, THEY ARE PEOPLE WITH FINANCIAL BACKGROUNDS AND EXPERIENCE, NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR TAX INCREASES.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT FORMAT.
IT'S PEOPLE WITH ACTUAL FINANCIAL BACKGROUND AND EXPERIENCE THAT CAN BRING, POTENTIALLY BRING THAT EXPERIENCE TO US IN A PARTICULAR WAY.
BUT THAT'D BE VERY, VERY SPECIFIC AND SPELLED OUT.
YOU KNOW WHAT, THE OTHER THING, WELL, THEY JUST FIND OUT THE TOPIC BEFORE US IS REORGANIZATION AND RULES OF PROCEDURE.
WE CAN, WE, THIS WAS, THIS WAS A, A RECOMMENDATION TO A BUDGET COMMITTEE TO IT.
BUT LET, LET ME JUST SAY ONE, BUT THAT'S, LEMME JUST SAY RULES.
LEMME JUST SAY NO, BUT THAT'S ON A SEPARATE TOPIC.
LET ME JUST SAY ONE OTHER THOUGHT.
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IS THAT IF WE CREATE A BUDGET COMMITTEE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JOY CAME UP WITH COMMENTS, WHAT HER VISION OF A BUDGET COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, WOULD LOOK LIKE, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.UH, YOU, I FAIL THAT I FAIL A CITIZEN, I FEEL A CITIZENS' BUDGET COMMITTEE.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I WANT IT TO BE EFFECTIVE AND I WANT IT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, BE LISTENED TO.
SO IF THE BOARD WANTS TO HAVE A MORE NARROW, UM, YOU KNOW, A NARROW, UM, UM, LIST OF RESPONSIBILITIES, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
WE COULD ALSO BE DISCUSSING OUR PROCUREMENT POLICIES, UM, UH, UH, HOW WE, UM, THE OVERSIGHT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE COULD LIMIT IT TO WHATEVER, UH, THE BOARD WANTS.
BUT I, I JUST, WELL, WHY DON'T YOU PUT THAT ON YOUR AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT THE WEEK AFTER.
NO, HE NEEDS TO HAVE AN OUTLINE OF EXACTLY WHAT IT ENTAILS ON PAPER.
NOT JUST, NOT JUST, NOT JUST THE WHOLE AGREED.
WHAT IS IT CHARGE YOU CAN WRITE.
WHAT IS, WHAT DOES IT COST? WHAT IS IT GONNA COST US? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA, WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITY, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO BE INVOLVED? WHO'S, YEAH.
SO THAT, AND, AND GIVE US A PROPOSAL ON WHAT YOU, WHAT THIS COMMITTEE LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT IT DOES KIMBERLY'S ON, OBVIOUSLY.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, COMPTROLLER THAT, UM, THESE, THE RES, FIRST OF ALL, THESE RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD HAVE TO COINCIDE WITH BEST PRACTICES AND POLICIES OF THE NEW YORK STATE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE.
AND, AND THAT'S THE JOYCE POINT.
I'M SORRY, THAT'S TO COUNCILWOMAN HABER'S POINT TO MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE CORRECT CREDENTIALS TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SO THANK YOU FOR HIGHLIGHTING THAT.
UM, KIMBERLY LEMME AS WELL, WE HAVE THE CREDENTIALS UPSTAIRS.
WE HAVE A FANTASTIC CONTROLLER WHO HAS IDENTIFIED ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
AND AS SHE'S GOING ALONG IN ADDRESSING THESE THINGS, SHE'S BEEN, SHE HAS BEEN GIVEN BUSY WORK, LIKE WHEN WE WERE GOING TO PASS OUR BUDGET, ASSIGNING HER THE TASK OF WHAT WAS EVERYBODY ELSE'S IN, UM, INCREASE IN THE STATE.
YOU, WE CAN'T BOG HER DOWN, BUG HER DOWN WITH THINGS THAT ARE KEEPING HER FROM RIDING THE SHIP.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS.
YOU CITIZENS CAN GET TOGETHER, THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET, BUT IF YOU EXPECT HER TO TAKE TIME AWAY FROM WHAT SHE'S REALLY GOOD AT, WHICH IS RECTIFYING THE SITUATION THAT SHE WAS PUT INTO.
SHE DIDN'T CREATE, BUT SHE WAS PUT INTO.
WE HAVE TO GIVE HER THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
LET'S HAVE CITIZEN INPUT HERE.
CITIZENS CAN HAVE ALL THE COMMENT THEY WANT, BUT HOW ABOUT WE ACTUALLY FIRST LISTEN TO THE CONTROLLER WHO HAS BEEN RIGHT.
EVERY TIME THAT SHE HAS MENTIONED IT.
SHE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN LISTENED TO BY SOME, BUT SHE'S BEEN RIGHT EVERY TIME.
UM, AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE FINANCIAL SITUATION WE'RE IN.
SO NOW IF WE CAN JUST RESUME BACK.
REORGANIZATION, REORGANIZATION.
I THINK, UM, THE ONLY OTHER NOTE I HAD WAS WHEN WE UNDER VILLAGE AFFAIRS THAT YOU SHOULD SAY VOC.
RIGHT? INSTEAD OF VILLAGE AFFAIRS FOR THE NAME OF THAT, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE OR LIAISON SHIP.
WELL, THAT, THAT, THAT ASSUMES WE'RE GONNA GET INVITED BACK.
WELL, WE CAN THERE'S A PLACEHOLDER.
VILLAGE AFFAIRS JUST IN SOUTH.
YOU SAYING PUT IN PARENTHESIS VOC OR JUST PUT VVOC INSTEAD.
BUT IF SOMEONE LOOKS AT THIS, 'CAUSE LOOKS AT THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT.
WE SHOULD PROBABLY SPELL IT OUT.
VILLAGE OFFICIALS, JUST SO THEY KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.
BUT IT'S COUNCIL, WHAT IS IT? COMMITTEE? IT SAYS VOC.
WHAT IS IT? IS THE VILLAGE COMMITTEE.
AND THEY COULD PUT PARENTHESIS, VLC.
AND YOU CAPTURE CAPTURE THE, THE LIBRARY.
IS THERE ANY MORE CHANGES ON THE REORGANIZATION DOCUMENT? I HAD, UH, SUGGESTED THAT, UM, WE
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INDICATE, UM, AS PART OF OUR RULES, UH, THAT, UH, ALL, UH, RESOLUTIONS HAVE TO BE STAMPED WITHIN FIVE DAYS.WITHIN A WEEK IS THE REORGANIZATION DOCUMENT WE'RE ON FOR LET'S FINISH.
THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT RULING.
THIS PAUL, HE'S LOOKING AT, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
NO, HE'S LOOKING AT IT, BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING NOW.
SO, OKAY, I'VE PUT IT OUT THERE ONE MORE TIME.
DO WE HAVE ANY MORE CHANGES FOR THE REORGANIZATION DOCUMENT? CAN LET ME ASK A QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE LIAISONS.
UM, I HONESTLY THINK THAT, UM, WE, INSTEAD OF HAVING A LIAISON FOR A FULL YEAR, UH, WE SHOULD ROTATE THE LIAISONS BECAUSE I, I DISAGREE WITH, UM, UH, THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, SYSTEM BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD SHOULD BE TREATED, UM, YOU KNOW, EQUALLY.
AND I FEEL THAT IF, UH, THE LIAISONS WOULD GET A CHANCE TO, IF EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD WOULD GET A CHANCE TO BE LIAISONS TO, UH, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE YEAR, UM, UH, IT, IT WOULD BE STRUCTURALLY, YOU KNOW, BETTER.
AND I THINK WE WOULD GET MORE INFORMATION.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT THE LA THE LIAISON SHOULD PROVIDE, UH, THE BOARD WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE A, A WEEKLY MEMO, UM, AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENED IN THEIR DEPARTMENT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SPEAK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, I'M TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THINGS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, EACH BOARD MEMBER MAY HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU LEARN ABOUT FROM A, UH, FROM A DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT IS NOT BEING COMMUNICATED TO THE REST OF US.
MAY I SUGGEST THAT? UM, I, I THINK IT, IT'S A MISTAKE TO ROTATE ONLY BECAUSE YOU, YOU BUILD UP A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RAPPORT OF KNOWLEDGE, HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE GOING BACK AND THEN IT'S REEDUCATING AT THE TIME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GO AROUND AND MAKE IT A, A PRACTICE RIGHT UP FRONT WHEN WE SPEAK AS A GROUP TO JUST REVIEW, UM, TO, IF THERE'S ANY MAJOR CHANGE.
I MEAN WE DO, WE CAN FORMALIZE IT.
DON'T, I JUST SAID WE DO IT ANYWAY.
BUT YOU CAN FORMALIZE IT AT THE BEGINNING IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO REPORT.
IF NOT, THEN THERE'S NOT A POINT WRITING A MEMO.
BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
UH, EACH WORK SESSION, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD WOULD WE WANNA SAY THE FIRST HALF HOUR IS, UM, EVERYBODY WHO'S A LIAISON TO A COMMITTEE WOULD SAY WHAT'S HAPPENED, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WOULD TAKE ALL THE WHOLE MEETING
RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO REPORT, WE CAN EACH TALK ABOUT IT, WHICH WE DO ANYWAY.
AND IT USUALLY, IF THERE IS SOMETHING TO REPORT, IT COMES UP ON THE AGENDA AND WE DISCUSS IT.
HIGHLIGHT, JUST LIKE, SO FOR INSTANCE, THIS RECENT SNOWSTORM, WE HAVE BEEN VERY, WE HAVE BEEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN DOING, WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUTSTANDING.
UM, ALL THE ENERGY THAT HAS BEEN PLACED PUT MOVING ALL THE SNOW AND, AND DEALING WITH THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOW.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT.
PAUL, YOU ARE ON A, YOU PAUL, YOU RECEIVE INFORMATION WHEN THERE'S INFORMATION TO BE GIVEN.
SO I'VE BEEN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE ON THE TOWN BOARD KNOWS IF THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE TOLD.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW ELSE YOU WANT TO EXPAND THAT, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEING DONE.
BUT, SO, AND THE MAJOR DEPARTMENT, SO, SO, SO HOLD ON.
SO THEN IF THERE, OKAY, SO YOU ARE HERE ALL DAY.
MAYBE YOU WANNA GIVE A SUMMIT HERE ALL DAY.
SO PAUL, WHEN YOU COME INTO THE OFFICE, IF YOU COULD, IF YOU COULD, MAYBE WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR DEPARTMENT, I'M NOT SURE HOW OFTEN YOU MEET WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS TO GET SUMMARIES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON FOR THE DAY.
BUT IF YOU DID, BUT IS IT, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
IS IT A STRUCTURED WAY OR IS IT JUST EMAIL OUT THE EMAIL OUT THE EMAIL.
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT STRUCTURED.
WHAT'S VERY, AND AND I'M JUST, AGAIN, I'M JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY, MY, MY, UM, DEPARTMENT HAS, AND I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FEEL.
THE CONSTANT EMAILS THAT YOU'RE SENDING IS NOT HELPFUL WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUES.
SO IF YOU SENT THEM, SAY, TODAY I RECEIVE ISSUES ON THIS STREET, AND MAYBE GIVE THEM A SUMMARY SO THEY CAN ADDRESS IT TO GIVE THEM EMAILS EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
THEY'RE NOT BEING PRODUCTIVE AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY GET THE WORK DONE.
AND THAT MEANS THAT'S CALLING RESEARCHING TO SEE WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
IS IT OUR, IS IT TRULY THE TOWN, A TOWN ISSUE? DO WE HAVE THE STAFF TO COVER THAT ISSUE? ALL THE COMPONENTS THAT NEEDED TO RESOLVE IT? SO THAT'S THE RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD GIVE A SUMMARY TO, TO, AND I'LL SPEAK FOR DB TUB.
YOU GIVE A SUMMARY FOR, TO DBW AND SAY, TODAY I RECEIVE FOUR, FIVE OR SIX PHONE CALLS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF TOWN TOMORROW.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU RESEARCH THIS OR CAN YOU TAKE A
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LOOK AT THIS? THE, THE, THE MINUTE BY MINUTE IS, IS NOT HELPFUL.IT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A WASTE OF TIME FOR THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING AWAY WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
JUST SIMILARLY TO WHAT, UM, COUNCILMAN SHEEN SAY WITH REGARDS TO THE COMPTROLLER.
SO THAT, THAT, AGAIN, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA EXPRESS, I JUST WANNA EXPRESS THAT AND I'M EXPRESSING THAT ON BEHALF OF, OF STAFF SO THEY CAN REALLY FOCUS ON GETTING THE WORK DONE.
WELL, I I HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT AND THEN I, HOPEFULLY WE CAN PUT THIS TO BEST.
UM, WITH THE LIAISON REPORTS THAT WE DO DO, UM, I THINK THAT SOME, UH, I THINK THAT THERE ARE MORE THAT WE COULD MAYBE REPORT ON THAT SOME WE DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT.
AND THAT, I THINK THERE'VE BEEN, I'VE GOTTEN QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS COMMITTEE OR WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW.
SO MAYBE WE COULD CUT, RATHER THAN FOCUS JUST ON A FEW OF THEM, WE COULD COVER THE, THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE LIST, UH, IF POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, ROTATE THROUGH IT.
WELL, THAT'S OVER TO THE RULES AGAIN.
YOU HAVE THAT IN THE RULES, BUT THIS IS THE REORGANIZATION.
YEAH, I KNOW, BUT YOU REALLY WANT TO HEAR FRANCIS TALKING ABOUT THE ANTENNA.
I'VE BEEN DYING SINCE I STARTED, I BEG, I BEG YOUR PARDON.
THE ANTENNA BOARD ARE EXTREMELY KNOWLEDGEABLE, EXCITING COMMITTEE TO BE ON, WHICH IS WHY HE'S BEEN SELECTED TO BE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
SO WE'RE GONNA PASS ONE MORE TIME.
SO ARE WE ALL, IS EVERYONE OKAY? AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THE REORGANIZATION DOCUMENT? YES.
SO I THINK YOU HAVE ALL OF OUR CHANGES.
IF WE CAN NOW MOVE ALONG TO THE REORG DOC.
I MEAN THE, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS DOCUMENT.
I THINK WE WERE, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT THREE A THROUGH E.
AM I CORRECT LAST TIME? WELL, I THINK THAT HOLLY, YOU ADDED F YES.
IN THE EVENT OF UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, ANY AGENDA ITEM MAY BE ADDED WITH A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE BOARD, LIKE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, RIGHT? TO GIVE US, LIKE YOU SAID, THE FLEXIBILITY.
BUT, AND D WE'RE STILL, IT'S STILL IN HERE THAT, WELL, MAYBE I DON'T HAVE A REVISION.
DO REVISE D NO, THAT SAME, A FAILURE TO RESPOND WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NON VOTE, NOT A DISSENT.
I THINK WE SAID YOU NEED THREE POSITIVE VOTES.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLEAN ACROSS THE BOARD.
YOU COULD LEAVE THE NON VOTE AS A, SOMEBODY NOT GETTING BACK, BUT YOU STILL NEED THREE POSITIVE VOTES.
JUST CHANGE THAT LAST SENTENCE THEN.
HOW DO YOU WANT IT TO READ? UH, AN ITEM WILL BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA WITH THREE AFFIRMED VOTES.
IN WRITING, IN WRITING, IN WRITING.
JACKIE, AN ITEM WILL BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA WITH THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES.
I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN CARE IF IT'S IN WRITING OR NOT.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE DRIVING AND YOU SAY YOU WANT TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, WELL THEN HOLLY COULD PUT IT IN WRITING.
THEN HOLLY WILL PUT IT IN WRITING.
SHE WILL SEND A CONFIRM AND THEN YOU ADVISE OF THE THREE CONFIRMED VOTES.
HOW ABOUT THAT? SO EVERYONE KNOWS MAYBE I'M MISREPRESENTING THAT IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE EMAIL.
I, I, AGAIN, AGAIN, JUST AS I'VE EXPRESSED, SOMETIMES WE CAN'T GET THE EMAIL.
THIS IS WHY IF I'M DRIVING, LIKE TODAY I WAS DRIVING MM-HMM
GIVE YOU A CALL AND SAY, AND THEN SHE CAN CAPTURE.
SHE CAN CAPTURE AND THEN SHE CAN SEND OUT, SPOKE WITH GINA.
THEN, THEN HOLLY, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK WITH EACH OF US.
RIGHT? SO ONE PERSON CAN REPRESENT THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS' VOTES VERBAL.
SO, SO COUNCILMAN, SHE SAYS, I'VE GOT COUNCILMAN JACKSON.
I NEED TO HEAR, WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THEM, HEAR FROM US.
UNLESS THERE'S NO, AND I WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS.
I, I DON'T WANT US TO MICROMANAGE RIGHT? US, I'M DOING FOR TRANSPARENCY.
'CAUSE I WANNA KNOW, LIKE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IF I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY PEOPLE DON'T WANT SOMETHING ON OR OFF.
LIKE, IT'S INTERESTING TO KNOW THE BACKGROUND OR THE, WHEN DO WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? WHAT, WHEN DO WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? DON'T AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK.
I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU MEAN AFTER FIVE? YOU WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION? NO, NO.
THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED EMAILS.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT VERY EFFICIENT.
BUT, BUT NO RESPONSE IS ALSO NOT EFFICIENT.
AND HOLLY'S OFTEN SCRATCHING OUR HEAD AS TO WHAT TO DO.
RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL YOU HAVE THREE POSITIVE VOTES.
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WELL, LET ME ASK QUESTION.YOU KNOW, THE, THE THING THAT I FIND FRUSTRATING IS SOMETIMES THINGS ARE PUT ON THE AGENDA WITHOUT NOTIF NOTIFICATION.
LIKE LAST WEEK, FOR EXAMPLE, THE FORENSIC AUDIT, IT GOT ON THE AGENDA ONE MINUTE BEFORE, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ASKED US TO PUT IN THE EVENT.
NO, NO, BUT I'M SAYING LAST WEEK IT WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA LAST WEEK, FIRST ITEM.
AND I DON'T KNOW, NOBODY EVER SAID TO ME, SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE PUT IT ON? NOW THE THING IS, WE KNOW THAT THAT REPORT SHOULD BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S BEEN SAYING THAT IT'S PREMATURE TO ASK FOR A RESPONSE.
AND I WOULD'VE PREFERRED, UM, GETTING, UH, SOME PRELIMINARY RESPONSES.
FROM, UH, FROM THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, UM, UH, AS TO WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED AND EXPLANATIONS AND THEN RELEASED IT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER.
YOU KNOW, I'VE ASKED, UM, UH, LAST WEEK I SAID I WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON CREATING A TOWN MANAGER.
NOW, UH, DON'T GET INTO ISSUES.
NO, BUT I'M SAYING LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS.
I NEVER GOT, YOU KNOW, A RESPONSE, YOU KNOW.
SO NOW, SO NOW I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT'S, I'M, NOW WE HAVE A RULE IN PLACE.
NOW WE HAVE, BUT WE HAVE A RULE LAST YEAR.
WE FOLLOW, WE HAVE A RULE IN PLACE.
NOW WE HAVE A RULE IN PLACE THAT YOU WILL CONTACT EVERYONE IF YOU HAPPENS TO RECEIVE ANYTHING IN WRITING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO THAT TIME.
AND YOU WILL SAY, GINA, JOY, ELLEN, FRANCIS, YAY, NAY, AND HAY.
AND PAUL, YOU SEE THIS IS THE THING.
AND IT WOULD BE WHY, YES OR NO, RIGHT? YOU WANNA HAVE A TOWN MANAGER.
SO WHAT'S THE DETAILS OF THAT, PAUL? I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE A COMMITTEE TO, UH, TO, TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING A TOWN MANAGER.
UM, AND THE, AND WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO RESIDENTS AND THEN SEE IF WE COULD, IF, IF THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE IT IN PLACE.
UH, ON JANUARY 1ST, 2000, UM, 27.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED A TOWN MANAGER? I, I A TOWN ADMINISTRATOR.
I, I WOULD IF UNLESS THEY CHANGE THE LAW WHERE THE TOWN SUPERVISOR HAS HIRING A FIRING OR VETO POWER.
I THINK THAT THE MANAGER, I THINK WE NEED ONE PERSON WHO HAS AUTHORITY.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE FIVE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND THE TOWN SUPERVISOR.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU WANT A TOWN ADMINISTRATOR.
YOU FEEL LIKE BECAUSE, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO HIRE ANYBODY.
I DON'T HAVE THE WHAT ABOUT THE PROCESSES? BECAUSE, BECAUSE BASICALLY RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE LIAISONS WHO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS BASICALLY REPORT TO EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD.
IT'S LIKE A LITTLE FIEFDOM WHERE THEY RUN THEIR OWN.
CAN WE, CAN WE NOT PREVENTING, WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROCESS IN YOUR SAYING.
CAN WE DISCUSS? THE MANAGER WOULD MAKE, I THINK AFTER WE GET DONE WITH THIS, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH US DISCUSSING TOWN.
LET'S ADMINISTRATOR, NOT MANAGER, TOWN ADMINISTRATOR.
SO CAN WE, AND YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY YOU NEED ONE.
SO ARE WE DONE WITH D? AND I THINK WE GAVE YOU THE LANGUAGE FOR D.
I THINK WE TOOK YOU THAT ONE TOO.
IS THAT THE TIMING? IS THAT THE CORRECT? YES.
AND F WE ALREADY TOUCHED UPON CHANGED.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE WAY THIS LOCKS US IN IS THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES AT FIVE O'CLOCK ON A FRIDAY, 'CAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WEREN'T DOING WHATEVER THEY WERE DOING AND THAT THEY DIDN'T GET TO IT UNTIL SIX OR SEVEN, THAT MEANS IT'S NOT GONNA APPEAR.
UNLESS WE HAVE THAT PUTS BACK INTO F UNLESS THEY GET FOUR MEMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE IT ON FOR UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO HUGE SNOW, STORM WATER, MAIN BREAK.
BUT WE'RE JUST TALKING A ROUTINE.
YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WAS TIED UP ALL DAY AND THEY DIDN'T GET TO IT TILL SIX.
CAN I SUGGEST WE MAKE IT MONDAY BY 9:00 AM BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING BETWEEN 5, 8, 5 PM WELL, I IDEALLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO SOMETHING 5:00 PM FRIDAY TO MONDAY.
TRY TO PUBLISH BY FRIDAY BY THE TIME I LEAVE FRIDAY.
SO I THINK YOU SAID YOU WANTED A DRAFT CIRCULATED THE DAY BEFORE.
THAT MUST BE ON WE ON THURSDAY.
SO WHERE IS THAT? WHERE'S THE THURSDAY? IT SAID WEDNESDAY, RIGHT? WEDNESDAY.
EMAIL EVERYTHING A FIRST, LIKE A FIRST DRAFT THAT WE COULD RESPOND TO.
AND THEN LIKE IF YOU CAN'T GET TO IT, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU HAVE TWO DAYS TO TWO DAYS TO TAKE.
SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE, SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.
IT'S JUST THAT SAME DAY, THAT SAME DAY AS THE CHILD, THAT BECOMES DIFFICULT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS YES, CLEAR.
AND YOU'VE BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT PINGING US TO LET US KNOW.
AND BY F YOU MEAN ANY, UH, MAY NEED A SUPER MAJORITY IF IT'S AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK ON A FRIDAY? OR IS THAT REFERRING TO THE UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES? LIKE WE HAD THE WATER MAIN BREAK WHERE THAT WAS HAD THE PUT
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ON.SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR EMERGENCIES, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU HAVE A WATER MAIN BREAK AND YOU KNOW, ON THURSDAY, YOU DON'T NEED A SUPER MAJORITY TO PUT THAT ON.
WE SHOULD SPELL THAT OUT IN F UHHUH.
SO HOW WOULD YOU, IN THE EVENT OF UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES THAT OCCUR AFTER FRIDAY, AFTER 5:00 PM FRIDAY? YEAH.
LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT, THAT A CAR OR COME TO YOUR ATTENTION AFTER FRIDAY AT 5:00 PM MM-HMM
AND AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK, UM, YOU KNOW, I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF A BOARD MEMBER WANTS TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA AND THREE BOARD MEMBERS DID NOT, YOU KNOW, AGREE THAT UH, THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING HIGHLIGHTED ON THE AGENDA THAT THIS WAS REQUESTED, BUT IS NOT, UM, IS NOT GONNA BE SUBJECT FOR DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THIS WAY IF A BOARD MEMBER, IF I WANT TO HAVE A RECOMMENDATION, NOBODY LIKES IT.
I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M PUSHING IT.
AND IT COULD MAY NOT ONLY BE ME AND MAY BE THE OTHER PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.
YOU SAID YOU COULD TELL THEM NO, BUT I'M, I'M SAYING I THINK ON THE AGENDA WE SHOULD SAY THESE, THESE ARE REQUESTS MADE BY, UH, DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS.
AND YOU COULD HAVE PUT EVERYBODY'S NAME AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT, UH, THIS IS A REQUEST.
I THINK THAT'S MORE MISLEADING THAN TRANSPARENT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST AS GINA SUGGESTED BEFORE, YOU, YOU WANT SOMETHING US TO DISCUSS SOMETHING, GIVE US A PROPOSAL WITH, WITH THE INFORMATION ON IT SO THAT WE KNOW WHY YOU, IN THIS CASE, SHE SAID FOR THE BUDGET REVIEW CARD, UM, BOARD BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE IN THIS CASE TO PUT SOMETHING ON JUST BECAUSE YOU HAD THOUGHT DOES THAT HAS NO BACKUP.
IF, IF YOU WERE PRESENTING US WITH BACKUP, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT HAVING IDEAS IS NOT AN AGENDA WORTHY, A DISCUSSION WORTHY, UH, TOPIC FOR A PROPOSAL SESSION.
A, YOU NEED A PROPOSAL, WRITTEN A PROPOSAL WE CAN REVIEW WITH INFORMATION FOR US TO REGARD NOT JUST TO THEORIZE.
SO TO PUT THAT ON WOULD MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THERE WAS A PROPOSAL, AND THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT COULD LET ME JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE QUICK RESPONSE.
I, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND YOUR THOUGHTS, BUT TO ME THE BENEFIT OF A WORK SESSION IS THAT IT'S AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION.
SO MY FAILING IS, YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE SAY THE BUDGET COMMITTEE IDEA.
SO I HAVE MY THOUGHTS, YOU HAVE YOUR THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD MAY HAVE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS.
SO IF WE BA IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE A FORMAL PROPOSAL BECAUSE I FEEL IF WE HAD A DIALOGUE AND WE SAID, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, COULD A BUDGET COMMITTEE BE HELPFUL TO THE TOWN? I MAY THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE MUCH MORE STRUCTURED AND MORE, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT THEY HAVE MORE RESPONSIBILITIES.
OTHER BOARD MEMBERS MAY SAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T REALLY LIKE THIS, BUT, UH, WE COULD SEE SOME VALUE WITH A MORE LIMITED AND WE HAVE A DISCUSSION.
THEN I FEEL THAT, UH, THE, THAT AT THE END OF THE WORK SESSION, WE COULD COME UP WITH, UM, WITH A BUDGET COMMITTEE CONCEPT THAT EVERYBODY, UH, INCLUDING THE CONTROLLER COULD FEEL, COULD BE USEFUL.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LET ME, DO YOU STILL FOLLOW SAYING I DO, BUT IF I MAY RESPOND BUT ISN'T IN THE ALMOST FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, THIS BRAIN WITH A YEARS, I'LL EXCUSE, IT'S ALREADY
UM, I'VE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, OFTEN IDEAS, YOU BRING UP IDEAS, IDEAS AND BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH NO, THERE, THERE, THEN, THEN NOTHING GETS DONE.
THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S EITHER, IT'S PROPOSED, IT'S NOT FOLLOWED UP.
IT, IT REALLY IS HELPFUL TO BEGIN WITH A DOCUMENT.
AND WE MIGHT MAKE THOSE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
WE MIGHT SAY, WELL, WE LIKE THIS, WE DON'T LIKE THAT.
HOW ABOUT IF YOU DO THIS? BUT HAVING THE BASIS, HAVING SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ABSORB RATHER THAN SPINNING IDEAS AS WE GO ALONG WITH NO, NO COMEBACK TO, UM, TO LOCK IT IN, I THINK IS PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE IT, THEY DON'T, A LOT OF THESE IDEAS JUST DON'T DEVELOP INTO ANY.
I THINK WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION ON THAT.
SO JUST, I REALLY AM TRYING TO HOPEFULLY THAT WE CAN REALLY GET THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT THIS WEEK.
UM, SO I BELIEVE WE'RE ON STILL ON RULES A THREE RULES A MM-HMM
SO IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN START DISCUSSING THAT, PLEASE.
YEAH, I THINK WE STARTED TO DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND I PERSONALLY FEEL IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMEONE ACTUALLY RUN THE MEETING.
I KNOW SUPERVISOR, THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A ROLE, BUT I
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DON'T THINK THAT YOU REALLY ENJOY THAT ROLE PER SE.UM, YOU PREFER MORE OF THE INFORMAL BRAINSTORMING KIND OF ENVIRONMENT.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO KEEP THESE ORDERLY, UM, WHICH THEY'RE NOT PARTICULARLY.
AND I THOUGHT A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW IT CAN BE IS WHEN WE HAVE THE LISTING CIRCLE AND WE HAD THE, THE, UH, SPEAKING PIECE PASSED AROUND AND EVERYBODY JUST SAID THEIR SAID THEIR PIECE AND NOBODY INTERRUPTED EACH OTHER.
IT WAS, IT WAS VERY, UH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.
SO, BUT IS THAT SO IT, SO YOU WANT TO, YOU SUGGESTING DIDN'T HAVE IT BE HAVE, HAVE THE SUPERVISOR BE THE PARLIAMENTARIAN, NOT THE TOWN CLERK OR A TOWN ATTORNEY, BE THE PARLIAMENT PARLIAMENTARIAN.
WELL, 'CAUSE THAT'S IN ESSENCE WHAT, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK YOU SEE YOURSELF AS A PARLIAMENTARIAN PARTICULARLY.
DO YOU HOW I COULD BE THE PARLIAMENTARIAN.
THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S, THE PARLIAMENT.
THAT'S HOW I WAS, THAT'S HOW I WAS ASKING.
SO, SO WHY SO, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER BEEN AN ISSUE.
IF WE WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT, THEN I THINK THE TOWN BOARD CAN SAY, I HA I WANNA MAKE, I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO BE CALLED ON? THAT'S 'CAUSE BUT THIS IS SAYING HE IS, HE'S NOT ONLY THE PARLIAMENTARIAN, HE'S ALSO GONNA RUN THE MEETING AND IN ORDER, NO, I'M GONNA RUN THE MEETING.
BUT YOU COULD BE THE PARLIAMENTARIAN, IF SOMEBODY'S OUT OF ORDER, YOU COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OKAY.
SO YOU GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY YOU GOTTA, NO, I, I'M GONNA RUN THE MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S MY JOB.
I THINK, I THINK THE MAIN DISTINCTION HERE IS THE BOARD HAS TO DECIDE IF YOU'RE ENGAGING LIKE YOU ARE NOW, WHERE EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT ANY TIME OR WAIT FOR SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ROLL CALL SORT OF SITUATION MM-HMM
WHERE YOU TAKE TURNS IN A FASHION ORDERLY FASHION.
I THINK, WE'LL, I THINK WE WILL HAVE ORDERLY MUTE.
WELL, IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S, THEY ARE PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS ARE CALLED ON.
I MEAN, YOU WERE A LEGISLATOR, YOU KNOW,
BUT THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE, YOU KNOW, IF WE JUST GO, GO AROUND THE TABLE AND EACH SAY WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.
SAY, SO THIS IS AT THE TOWN BOARD MEETING? NO, THIS IS FOR US.
BUT IF SOMEBODY IS OUT UNRULY, THEN YOU COULD BASICALLY, UH, YEAH.
SO YEAH, I THINK WE'RE MIXING UP TWO THINGS.
THIS IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE WORK SESSION.
AND FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEONE IN SITTING HERE IN THE PUBLIC, RIGHT, WHO IS TRYING TO INTERRUPT THE MEETING, THEN THAT IS ADDRESSED BY THE POOR ARIAN AS WELL.
WHY, WHY DO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT ROLES HERE? EITHER WE GONNA HAVE ONE PERSON RUN THE MEETING AND BE THE ARIAN, OR YOU HAVE OR, OR NOT.
LIKE, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHY WE HAVE TO BREAK UP THE, THE RULES.
I DON'T THINK ULTIMATELY IF, IF THE PERSON IS RUNNING THE MEETING, IF SOMEBODY IS OUT OF ORDER, IT'S FOR THE PERSON RUNNING THE MEETING TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.
YOU COULD GET AN OPINION FROM THE PARLIAMENTARIAN.
BUT THE PARLIAMENTARIAN IS NOT A POLICEMAN.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA RUN THE MEETING, YOU CAN, I'M RUNNING THE MEETING THEN.
THEN IF SOMEBODY, SO THEN YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS, IF SOMEBODY ACTING UP, THEN YOU ACTUALLY, BUT THAT ALSO MEANS NOT, IS TAKING A BREAK.
I'M SORRY, FRANCIS, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? SAY THAT AGAIN? YOU SAID SOMETHING I THAT'S OKAY.
BUT YOU SAID SOMETHING SO NO, YOU SAID SOMETHING IMPORTANT.
I SAID SOMETHING IMPORTANT FINALLY.
AFTER SIX YEARS, I'M SORRY, I WAS SAYING THAT, UH, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN THE MEETING, PART OF RUNNING THE MEETING IS IF SOMEBODY'S DISRUPTING THAT MEETING, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SPEAK UP AND NOT SIT BACK AND, AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
AND ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION AS TO PERSON, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH THAT PERSON.
IF YOU, IF YOU, WE DISAGREE WITH YOUR DECISION, THEN WE COULD ALSO ASK THE PARLIAMENTARIAN.
WE COULD ACTUALLY VOTE THAT OVERRULE YOU, BUT AT LEAST YOU SHOULD BE THE ONE THAT, UM, MAKES THAT FIRST ACTION.
AND IN RUNNING THE MEETING, AND IT MAY BE, LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE IS OUT OF CONTROL AND NO LONGER FOLLOW THE RULES.
BUT IN RUNNING THE MEETING, IT IS REALLY COURTESY TO GIVE THE OTHER MEMBERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU DO JUST AS THE CHAIR AS YOU, THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ROLE I HAVE.
UM, IF, IF SOME, IF PEOPLE SHOW UP TO, BECAUSE WE HAPPEN TO BE DISCUSSING SOME, I MEAN, I THINK WE NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE WORK SESSION IS AND HOW IT'S GOING TO RUN.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE LINES HAVE GOTTEN FUDGED IN THAT.
SO SUPERVISOR, WHAT IS YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE WORK SESSION AND, AND THE INVOLVEMENT OF, UM, UNINVITED, UM, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO SHOW UP? WELL, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS, I BASICALLY HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT THE BEST USE OF WORK SESSIONS IS TO LET ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SHOW UP FROM THE COMMUNITY FEEL
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THAT THEY'RE, THEY COULD BE HEARD.AND IF SOMEBODY ASKS FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE BOARD, I, I WOULD PREFER GIVING THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY.
YOU KNOW, THE, WE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE WORK SESSIONS, WHEN I FIRST GOT INTO OFFICE, IT WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE INFORMAL.
AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT WORKS BETTER BECAUSE I, I BELIEVE THAT IF WE LISTEN TO CITIZENS, WE COULD ALWAYS GET IDEAS.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M, WHEN I'M OUT ON THE STREET AND I'M TALKING TO PEOPLE, I GET BETTER IDEAS FROM PEOPLE AT A SUPERMARKET BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M HEARING WHAT, WHAT REALLY IS BOTHERING THEM.
SO I FEEL IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO TAKE THE TIME, UM, LEAVE THEIR HOME, MEET WITH US, AND WE GIVE, EVEN IF WE WOULD SAY WE'RE GONNA RESERVE, UH, 15 MINUTES AT EACH WORK SESSION AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, AND WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WHATEVER YOU WANT, UH, TO, TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO IT'S ADDING A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD LOVE THAT TO THE WORK SESSION AS WELL AS HAVING IT AT THE BOARD MEETING.
BECAUSE PEOPLE SOMETIMES I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT IDEA.
UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE SO MUCH WORK TO GET THROUGH IN OUR WORK SESSIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE AN EXTRA WE HAVE.
SO WE'RE BEHIND, AS YOU SAY, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS ITEM? WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS WE'RE BACKLOGGED ON THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE.
AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, THESE SORT OF BRAINSTORMING SESSIONS WITH THE, WITH THE PUBLIC IS, IS, IS LOVELY, BUT THAT'S NOT GONNA GET OUR WORK DONE.
BUT THE THING IS, SOMETIME I FEEL THAT, I MEAN, PEOPLE CALL ME ALL THE TIME AND EMAIL ME ALL THE TIME.
THEY DON'T CALL EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD ALL THE TIME.
BECAUSE, SO THE THING IS, I SORT OF FEEL THAT SOMETIMES WHEN I'M HEARING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENT, FROM AVERAGE RESIDENTS, I COULD SAY SHOW UP AT THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PAST FEW DAYS, THE BIG ISSUE THAT I, I GOT THAT REALLY NEVER HITS, YOU KNOW, THE NEWSPAPERS IS THE BUS STOPS.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO CAN'T GET, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO BUS STOPS AND THERE'S MOUNDS OF SNOW.
AND I WOULD'VE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE ARE SAYING SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WEEK NOW.
THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS, IS VERY STRESSED OUT BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB IN TERMS OF CLEANING UP A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, SNOW ALL OVER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS LIKE AN ISSUE.
SHOULD THE TOWN BOARD AUTHORIZE OVER TIME, UM, AND SAY TO THE, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BUS STOPS.
WELL, WE CAN HANDLE THAT HERE.
WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC NEED.
I DON'T THINK THE BOARD APPRECIATE, I THINK WE NEED TO HONE IN ON THIS.
I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD APPRECIATES THAT THIS IS A MAJOR QUALITY LY.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COVERED BY, IN THE EVENT OF, AND WHOSE RESPONS RESPONSIBILITY IS TO G CLEAN THE POSTOPS? WHO'S RESPONSIBILITY IT IS IT TO, TO DO THE BUS STOPS? BASICALLY IT'S THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO, SO HOW DO WE GET AROUND THAT? RIGHT.
WELL BASICALLY THE TOWN, ACCORDING TO KEN JENKINS WHO SENT US AN EMAIL, UH, YESTERDAY, HE SAID THAT THE TOWN COULD BASICALLY DO THE WORK AND THEN, UH, CHARGE THE, UH, CHARGE THE PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS, BUT DON'T WE HAVE TO DO SO THE PAST? DON'T WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE THAT? PAUL NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM BEFORE.
YOU'VE NEVER HAD SNOWSTORMS LIKE THIS IN THE, THE LAST 34 YEARS.
I'VE NEVER HAD A BUS, A BUS STOP.
BUT THIS WAS A BIG, THIS WAS A BIG I UNDERSTAND.
BUT, AND THE PROCESS OF, INSTEAD OF JUST BITING PEOPLE IN, HOW ABOUT SOLVING THE PROBLEM? I AM TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
WHAT, WHAT, IN OTHER WORDS, CAN WE JUST CLEAN THE BUS, BUS STOPS OR WHATEVER? YEAH.
AND THEN CHARGE THE RESIDENTS WITHOUT GIVING THEM NOTICE OF VIOLATION FIRST.
WELL, KEN JENKINS SAID THAT WE HAVE THE KEN JENKINS IS NOT THE TOWN ATTORNEY.
BUT THE KEN, HE'S EMAILED EVERYBODY AS YOU SHOULD GIVE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION FIRST YOU WOULD GIVE A NOTICE.
BUT I'M SAYING THE PROBLEM IS RIGHT NOW THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A WORK SESSION THOUGH.
RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S ALREADY HANDLED.
WE'VE ALREADY NO, BUT I'M JUST GIVING YOU THAT AS AN EXAMPLE WHERE, OKAY.
WHERE BASICALLY SOMETIMES, OKAY, WE HEARD THE EXAMPLE, BUT THAT DOES NOT, PAUL, WE'VE GOTTA MOVE THIS LONG.
'CAUSE WE MAY I JUST SAY SOMETHING, I JUST DON'T NO, I JUST DON'T WANT YOU TO KEEP DOING THIS.
I'M SAYING, SAYING, I'LL NOTIFY YOU OF THINGS THAT YOU MAY NOT BE.
INVITE PEOPLE COME IN HERE TO TELL US THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE BUS STOPS.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE RECTIFY IT.
AND APPARENTLY YOU DIDN'T REALIZE WE HAVE TO GIVE US SOME, A NOTICE OF VIOLATION FIRST.
I I CAN WE HAVE TO GIVE A NOTE? DID WE GIVE ANY NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS TO PROPERTY? A LOT OF VIOLATIONS? DID WE GIVE THE VIOLATIONS TODAY SO THAT WE COULD CLEAN OUT THE BUS STOPS HAS BEEN GIVING OUT.
I STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS OVER A WEEK AGO.
SO HOW MANY, SO WHICH BUS STOPS? SO WHICH BUS STOP? SO WHICH BUS STOPS HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNERS GIVEN EVALUATION BEEN WHICH BUS STOPS? SO ON EVERYTHING, HE'S, HE'S EXCELLENT EVERY TIME.
MAY I JUST, PAUL, YOU'RE FILIBUSTERING HERE.
MAY I I SAY SOMETHING WHICH, WHICH BUS STOPS DID WE ISSUE THE PROPERTY OWNER A NOTICE OF VIOLATION SO THE TOWN CAN THEN GO AND CLEAN OUT THAT BUS STOP, WHICH IS WHAT THE RESIDENTS REALLY WANT, AND THEN CHARGE THE PROPERTY
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OWNER.WHICH BUS STOPS DID WE DO THAT TO? I I, I'VE, I BEEN EMAILING MARTINO AND HE'S FOLLOWS UP.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW HE FOLLOW? NO, THERE'S A, THERE'S, HOW DO WE FOLLOW UP IS THE POINT? NO, NO, NO.
LET IF PAUL, IF WE DON'T, DON'T HAVE A RECORD OF WHICH BUS STOPS.
WELL THAT'S, I THINK WHAT THAT'S IS ASKING THOUGH.
I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM THAT, BUT I BASICALLY HAVE THEM.
WELL, BUT HOW, THAT'S NOT MY POINT.
THAT'S NOT FRANCIS, UH, COUNCILMAN SHIN'S POINT NOT, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM HIM IS, AND MAYBE WE CAN REPHRASE IT.
HAS, HAS MARTINO BEEN KEEPING A RECORD OF WHICH PROPERTIES, WHICH BUS STOPS LOCATIONS HE'S CLEARED OUT SO THAT WE CAN THEN CHARGE BACK? NOT THOSE OWNERS, DID WE? NO, NO, NO.
THAT'S NOT MY, HE HOW MANY HAS HE GIVEN A NOTICE OF VIOLATION? IS A VIOLATION EXCUSE.
HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER ON NOTICE SO THAT MAYBE THEY GO AND CLEAN IT OUT FOR THOSE WATCHING.
MARTINO IS OUR PUBLIC WORKS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, RIGHT? YES.
SO THE PROCESS IS TAKING PLACE AND WE DIDN'T REALLY NEED A PUBLIC MEETING TO DO THAT.
SO, BUT UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.
YOU WANNA BRING THESE THINGS TO THE, TO THE ATTENTION.
BUT THAT GOT TAKEN CARE OF WITHOUT HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING.
BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
THE ONLY, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S NOT REALLY DISAGREE.
THE ONLY THING I WAS GONNA SAY, SAY SOMETIMES, BUT YOU USED THAT AS AN EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE COMING TO TALK TO US.
NO, THE ONLY REASON, THE ONLY REASON I MENTIONED IT IS I SAID SOMETIMES WHEN, IF I'M SPEAKING TO THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT A HUNDRED DIFFERENT ITEMS OR I'M SPEAKING TO THE BOARD AND I'M COMING UP WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT IDEAS, SOMETIMES IF YOU HEAR FROM, UM, A RESIDENT, UM, AND THE RESIDENT HIGHLIGHTS, UM, UH, THEIR CONCERN AND SPEAKS TO THE BOARD ELOQUENTLY ABOUT WHY SOMETHING MATTERS, IT HAS MORE OF AN IMPACT THAN IF I'M JUST REPORTING WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.
BUT WE SEE ALL THOSE EMAILS YOU FORWARD ALL OF THEM TO UST AND THAT'S WHY WE CARE ENOUGH THAT SOME OF US HAVE LOOKED INTO IT AND SEE WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO GET THOSE BUS STOPS CLEARED OUT.
NOT JUST, HEY, COME OVER AND TALK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO ACTUALLY GET THAT DONE? AND ALSO IN A WAY THAT THE TOWN IS NOT THE CASH COW.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO, IF IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S RESPONSIBILITY, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? DON'T WORRY.
THE TOWN'S GOT A LOT OF MONEY.
I SAID WE SHOULD BE CHARGING BACK.
BUT YOU WANTED TO INVITE PEOPLE IN HERE TO TELL US THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE BUS STOPS.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, THERE'S PEOPLE WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND.
THERE WAS A BUS TO ADDRESS IT AND GET THOSE ACTUALLY CLEANED OUT.
BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE THAT'S WHO'S RESPONSIBLE.
AS MUCH AS IT MAY SOUND WEIRD, IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AS LONG AS IT GETS RESOLVED, I'M HAPPY.
BUT, UH, I'M GONNA TAKE, SO ARE WE GOING TO, I'M SORRY, B THE COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS, WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT BI AM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A POINT THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE FOR A WHILE.
AND THAT IS, IF THAT SITUATION CAME UP AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD NOT BEEN RESOLVED, IT IS COVERED BY F IN THE EVENT OF UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES, ANY AGENDA ITEM MAY BE ADDED WITH A SUPER MAJORITY OF THE BOARD FOR MEMBERS.
SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, NOT NECESSARILY HAVING SOMEONE COME TALK TO US, BUT FOR US TO ADDRESS IT IF IT HADN'T BEEN ADDRESSED.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT.
WELL, DID WE FINISH? EH, I DON'T HAVE, I THOUGHT WE FINISHED.
I THOUGHT WE WERE ON, 'CAUSE THIS STILL HAS THE SUPERVISORS NOT RUNNING THE MEETING AND THE SUPERVISOR SHOULD BE RUNNING THE MEETING SUPERVISOR.
SO IT WAS MORE OF A, IT WAS A, A QUERY.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO APPROACH THIS? SO I THINK WE RESOLVED THAT, THAT THE SUPERVISOR'S GOING TO CHAIR THE MEETING IN AN ORDERLY FASHION AND, AND THE PARLIAMENTARY WILL WILL BACK THAT AND HANDLE ANYTHING THAT MAY NEED TO BE HANDLED.
ANY ROBERT'S RULES QUESTIONS? YES.
AND THEN B ACTUALLY FOLLOWS OUR, THE DISCUSSION WE JUST WRAPPED UP ABOUT
SO NOT INVITING LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, BECAUSE THAT IS MORE EFFECTIVELY ADDRESSED IN A COMMUNITY INFORMATIONAL MEETING.
LIKE GOING TO EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE RATHER THAN HAVING THEM ALL COME HERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA, WHATEVER IT IS IN A, IN A BOARD MEETING.
I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AGREE, LIKE YOU SAID, THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS ARE MORE HELPFUL.
BECAUSE THEN WE COULD JUST FOCUS ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC.
AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, TIME BEING LIMITED.
I TAKE AWAY THE LAST SENTENCE THOUGH.
I THINK YOU, YOU SAY WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY IN THAT.
YEAH, THIS IS, I THINK COULD GO DOWN TO FIVE.
THAT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT UP, UP TOP.
WELL THERE'S NO, THAT'S GREAT.
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I'M CHECKING OFF THE BOX.COMPLIANCE WITH OUR SUNSHINE LAWS.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS YOU EDITORIALIZED HERE, RIGHT? NO, WE DON'T.
I THINK WE, WE, WE WILL HAVE THAT OUTLINED IN OUR, UM, REORG.
IT SHOWS WHO'S GOING TO BE THE CHAIR AND THE SUPERVISOR'S ABSENCE, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE.
AND WE ARE RESPONSIBLE EACH QUARTER, UM, APPEALS FROM THE DECISION FROM THE CHAIR.
SUBSTITUTION OF THE CHAIR, NO ISSUES IS BASICALLY ROBERT'S.
UH, NUMBER 10, MEETING SCHEDULE.
SO 12 FOR EVERYONE WHO'S LISTENING, THIS IS, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE ORDER OF, UM, HOW WE CONDUCT OUR REGULAR MEETINGS.
SO I SEE, SO WE HAVE A PRESSURE ALLEGIANCE, B MOMENT OF SILENCE.
AND THEN NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT E TO LIAISON REPORTS.
WHAT SHOULD REQUIRE? SO FOR ME, I, I, I NOTICED THIS, THIS REFERENCES VIDEOS FOR ME, I LIKE TO SHOWCASE WHAT STAFF DOES.
BECAUSE OUR STAFF IS REALLY OUT THERE HITTING THE GROUND, HITTING THE PAVEMENTS, HITTING THE GROUND, RUNNING AS THEY SHOULD.
SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY HIGH, THAT WE HIGHLIGHT WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
I DON'T WANNA WAIT TILL THE END OF THE YEAR TO HIGHLIGHT THEM.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF THAT HAPPENS DURING THE YEAR THAT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM, FOR RESIDENTS TO SEE WHERE THEIR TAX DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT AND HOW THEY'RE BEING SPENT.
ESPECIALLY WITH, AS IT RELATES TO TOWN STAFF.
SO I, I, I DISAGREE WITH JUST NOT HAVING VIDEO, SO.
WELL IT DEPENDS ON THE DEPARTMENT YOU OR COMMITTEE YOU'RE REPORTING ON.
I DON'T WANNA BE LIMITED TO ANY DEPARTMENT.
I WANNA BE ABLE, I'M SAYING HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO ANY VIDEO I'M SAYING, BUT THERE ARE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT DON'T, WOULDN'T REQUIRE A VIDEO.
BUT I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU COULD DO, I MEAN, I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT, I JUST DON'T WANT THERE TO BE YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY VIDEOS.
I THINK, I THINK DEPARTMENT, I THINK COUNCIL USE YOUR DISCRETION.
THE COUNCIL SHOULD BE ABLE TO REPORT OUT HOWEVER THEY WANT TO REPORT OUT.
BUT I THINK YOU'VE DONE AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB.
UM, YOU TALKING TO ME? YEAH, I'M, YEAH, I'M SORRY.
OH, I THINK YOU'VE BEEN LIKE DOING AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB AS, UH, THE LIAISON TO DEPARTMENTS REPORTING ON, UH, INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE VIDEOS ARE REALLY EXCELLENT AND I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN VERY INFORMATIVE AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SORT OF LIKE A ROLE MODEL, YOU KNOW, THE WAY YOU'VE BEEN HANDLING, UH, YOUR JOB, UM, UH, HIGHLIGHTING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, UM, ARE DOING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE THE MODEL THAT EVERYBODY ELSE FOLLOWS.
WELL, IT SHOULDN'T BE, THE MODEL KNOWLEDGE SHOULD NOT APPROPRIATE.
EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THEIR, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN.
I APPRECIATE, THANK YOU FOR THE, I TRULY APPRECIATE IT'S NOT ABOUT ME, IT'S REALLY ABOUT HIGHLIGHTING WHAT STAFF DOES.
BUT AGAIN, COUNSEL, YOU SUPERVISOR, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN WHATEVER METHOD YOU WANNA USE TO MAKE YOUR REPORTS HAVE AT IT.
I MEAN, IF I'M REPORTING ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, I'M NOT GONNA DO A VIDEO PER SE, OR YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS.
NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING YOU COULD TAKE A BOW.
I THINK WE WANNA JUST MOVE ON.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, SO I THINK, I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE NEEDS TO BE.
I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT OURSELVES IN ANY WAY.
I MEAN, WE'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MORE EXTENSIVELY THAN OTHERS.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO RE ROTATE.
WELL, THERE'S SOME COMMITTEES WE DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT.
WELL, THEN IF YOU HAVE INTEREST IN THAT, YOU COULD ASK.
BUT I THINK THAT IF I HAVE INTEREST IN YEAH, IF YOU, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE SHOULD ROTATE? I'M SAYING THE PUBLIC WELL, SO THAT THE PUBLIC SEES WHAT ALL THE COMMITTEES ARE, THEIR ACTIVITIES AND THEIR GOALS AND THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL LIAISON TO DISCUSS.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, YOU'RE PUTTING A RULE IN SAYING YOU'RE PUTTING A RULE THAT, BUT I THINK THAT WE AS, AS COUNCIL, SHOULD HAVE THAT FREEDOM TO REPORT ON WHAT WE WANNA REPORT ON.
BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT A RULE IN SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVE 20 LIA, IF YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR 20 DEPARTMENTS, THAT WE WOULD REPORT ON EVERY 20, I THINK IF THERE IS REALLY, HONESTLY MM-HMM
FOR THE LIAISONS WHO'S WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE DEPARTMENTS, SHOULD BE ABLE TO REPORT OUT WHAT THEY WANNA REPORT ON AND NOT BE RESERVED OR, OR REQUIRED TO REPORT OUT ON EVERYTHING.
I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT FREEDOM TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT E EACH OF THE COMMITTEES, THIS IS NOT REALLY ABOUT THE DEPARTMENTS, THIS IS MORE ABOUT THE COMMITTEES, THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.
UM, EACH COMMITTEE SHOULD HAVE
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HAD A REPORT OF SOME KIND IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, LIAISON TO IT BY THE END OF THE YEAR SO THAT THERE IS SOME PUBLIC INFORMATION FOR THAT COMMITTEE.OTHERWISE, IT JUST SORT OF GOES UNDER THE RADAR.
IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE END OF THE YEAR.
ARE YOU SAYING THE END OF THE YEAR? OR SEE, I'M SAYING THE COURSE YEAR IN THE COURSE, THE END YEAR IS DIFFERENT.
BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW LIKE MONTHLY, EVERY OTHER, EVERY TWO WEEKS.
AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETING, I'M SAYING THAT BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THE PUBLIC SHOULD HAVE HEARD A REPORT ABOUT EACH OF THE COMMITTEES SO THAT THEY KNOW WHAT EACH OF THE COMMITTEES IS, IS DOING.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT OKAY, THAT'S ALL.
I DON'T WANNA GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO REPORT INFORMATION ON THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING WE SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT, UM, OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ON OUR OWN.
WE SHOULD HAVE FREE REALM TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA REPORT ON THIS WEEK.
ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT.
MAYBE THERE'S NOTHING GOING ON IN ONE OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT THAT'S FINE, BUT BY, LIKE I SAID, BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE SHOULD HAVE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT EACH OF THE COMMITTEES, NOT THE DEPARTMENTS.
IT COULD BE A DISCRETION TO REPORT ON, TO MAKE REPORTS ON COMMITTEES.
BUT I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO STEP UP TO THE PLATE TO SERVE ON COMMITTEES, UM, AND, AND THEY GIVE US GIVE UP THEIR TIME.
THAT IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON AND AT SOME TO INTERSPERSE THOSE, YOU KNOW, IN WHATEVER MAN MANNER AND TIMING WE A JUDGE.
BUT THAT IT IS JUST A HIGH HIGHLIGHTING REPORTING ON COMMITTEE WORK, NOT JUST DEPARTMENTAL WORK.
AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU, YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT
JUST REMIND ME THAT I WAS THINKING I PRETTY SOON I'M GONNA REPORT ON THE FOUR QUARTER STEERING COMMITTEE, WHICH I'M THE LIAISON.
IS IT NOT ON? THAT'S NOT ON THERE.
THAT, AH, THAT'LL BE A PRETTY GOOD UPDATE.
IS THAT HARD SCALE FOUR QUARTER STEERING.
SO I THINK, I THINK, I THINK EVERYONE, I THINK EVERYONE HAS WEIGHED IN ON THIS, SO I THINK NOT GONNA LIMIT OURSELVES AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE INTENTIONAL OF MAKING SURE, BE MINDFUL OF TRYING TO BE WATER.
I, I'M GONNA TAKE US BACKWARDS FOR A SECOND.
UM, IN WHICH WE SAID THREE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD SHALL CONSTITUTE A QUORUM.
UM, SHOULD WE MENTION THAT BOARD MEMBERS MAY ATTEND AND BE COUNTED AS ATTENDING? UM, REMOTELY THE ZONE PIECE MEAN YOU SAY, I MEAN, NOT NECESSARILY THAT WORDING ABOUT PARTICIPATION.
I I'LL PUT THE SECTION OF THE TOWN CODE THAT APPLIES TO REMOTE PARTICIPATION.
SO IT APPEARS THERE'S NOTHING, AND ACTUALLY IT'S NOT JUST THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE IN ONE AMAR'S BASIS.
PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE ON CAMERA.
RIGHT? I CAN'T BE IN A PUBLIC, I CAN'T BE IN A MALL AND CAN'T COUNT IN THE QUORUM IF I'M JUST ON THE PHONE.
WE'LL WE'LL SPELL THAT OUT MORE TO FALL IN LINE WITH STATE LAW AND OUR TOWN CODE.
I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WOULD'VE SAID, OKAY AND WE'RE GOOD ON THIS TWO MINUTE PUBLIC COMMENT.
LIGHTNING R THAT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR, WHAT'S THIS? THE TWO MINUTE H, SORRY.
YEAH, THE TWO MINUTE LIGHTNING ROUND.
USED TO BE ONE MINUTE BY THE WAY.
OH REALLY? THAT'S A REAL LIGHTNESS.
THAT IS A REAL LIGHTENING ROUND.
AND TO BE CLEAR, THAT WOULD BE SOMEONE FOREGOING THEN THEIR ABILITY TO DO THE FIVE MINUTE ROUND AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
SO IF SOMEONE HAS A CHILD OR JUST NEEDS TO LEAVE FOR WHATEVER REASON, A LONG NIGHT OF HEARINGS, THEY COULD FEEL FREE TO USE THEIR TWO MINUTES.
IF THEY USE IT, THEY'RE STILL HERE AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
THEY DON'T GET TO THEN DO THE FIVE MINUTE ROUND.
AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF THEY ASK FOR THREE MINUTES, THAT'S WAIVED.
THEY USE THEIR TWO MINUTE ROUND AND THAT'S IT.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.
SO YOU WANNA CLARIFY EVERYONE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS AND WHEN YOU KNOW, SO NO ONE DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS FOR THOSE THAT SAY, SO WE SHOULD EXPAND ON IT.
HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SO, SO GIVE THEM, SO WE'RE GONNA ADD THIS.
WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT IN IT.
SO THEN ANYTHING ON, I, WELL, I PUT IT PUBLIC HEARINGS.
BUT YOU HAVE SOMETHING GO AHEAD.
UM, AN I WHERE IT SAYS PUBLIC COMMENT, IT SHOULD SAY PUBLIC HEARING.
AND WHERE IT SAYS BY 6:00 PM UH, THAT SHOULD BE 3:00 PM OKAY.
SO I SAYS PUBLIC HEARINGS, YOU'RE SAYING THAT SHOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT.
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SHOULD HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, HEARING@GREENBERGNY.GOV.AND IT SHOULD BE 3:00 PM FOR THE DAY OF THE HEARING, BECAUSE TO GET OH, THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM.
ANY, OH YEAH, NO, NOT THE HEADING.
ANY WRITTEN COMMENT SENT TO PUBLIC COMMENT OR PUBLIC HEARING? PUBLIC HEARING, HEARING.
YEAH, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY SAY, YOU SHOULD PUT THE TITLE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE SUBJECT LINE, BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE CONFUSING.
DID YOU GET THAT? OH, NO, IT'S, IT'S, THERE IT IS.
WHERE DID YOU SAY THAT? UM, ON OUR REGULAR, UH, AGENDAS.
AND IT SAYS, PUT THE TITLE ON IT.
IN THE RULES, WHAT JOE WAS THE, THE ATTORNEY WAS SUGGESTING IS THAT WE INDICATE THE TITLE OF THE HEARING.
THE TITLE OF THE WHAT? THE TOPIC SAY.
WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS IN ONE NIGHT.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT RECORD TO PUT IT IN.
BECAUSE SOME MIGHT BE OVERLAPPING SOMEWHAT TOO, IF RIGHT.
IF THERE ARE TWO FIRE DISTRICT CONTRACTS ON IN ONE NIGHT.
YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT APPLIES TO BOTH.
SO PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, WRITE ANY COMMENTS OR, OH, ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS SHOULD BE SENT TO PUBLIC HEARING AT GREENBERG BY 3:00 PM UM, AND INCLUDE THE SUBJECT OF, UH, THE HEARING, THE TITLE OF THE HEARING, TITLE HEARING, AND INCLUDE THE TITLE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE EMAIL.
SO, SO THIS IS THE DAY OF THE DAY OF THEY HAVE TO BE UNTIL THREE O'CLOCK.
BECAUSE GETTING IT TO YOU NO LATER THAN THE DAY OF.
UM, WE'RE USED TO NO LETTER THAN LATER THAN 3:00 PM PM THE DAY OF.
IT COULD BE EARLIER THE DAY OF, CORRECT.
BECAUSE IT'S THEN WE ARE SAYING THAT WE'RE GONNA GET IT TO YOU GUYS.
AND HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET IT TO YOU GUYS? IF IT'S 6:00 PM THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT ISN'T THIS THE PART WHERE YOU READ THE COMMENTS IF THEY'RE NOT, IF THEY'RE NOT HERE NO, THEY'RE NOT HERE.
THEY'RE, I'M, I, NO, THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, UM, WITH PUBLIC HEAR COUNCILWOMAN YEP.
WITH COUNCIL WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS, I CANNOT, UM, READ THEIR COMMENTS.
UNDERSTOOD THAT I CAN ONLY READ THEIR, UH, THEIR VIEW YAY OR NAY.
SO WHAT DO YOU, SO YOU'RE SAYING WRITTEN COMMENTS.
YOU SAID YOU CAN'T GET IT TO US BY SIX O'CLOCK, 3:00 PM YEAH, NO, THIS IS ABOUT THE PUBLIC GETTING THEIR COMMENTS TO THE CLERK.
THAT'S I SAY A LITTLE CLARITY.
SO THEN TURN IT AROUND TO YES.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANTED CLARITY ON THAT.
SO ARE WE OKAY WITH I ANY MORE CHANGES WITH I, SO I JUST PUT A LITTLE ASTERISK, THOSE LITTLE RED ASTERISK ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF I I A LITTLE TEENY TINY, WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT THIS IN, BUT WE, WHEN WE WANT TO RESPOND AS TOWN BOARD MEMBERS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY RULES FOR THAT.
SO I'M, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO SO WHEN WE INSTEAD OF JUST RESPOND, NO, WE DON'T, DON'T WE AFTER WE SOMEWHAT HAVE RULES, BUT SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO KNOW MM-HMM
AND, AND I THINK FOR THE SPEAKER AS WELL, AND I THINK SOMETIMES IT SEEMS LIKE SPEAKERS ARE GETTING ADDITIONAL TIME BECAUSE THERE'S A GIVE AND A TAKE MM-HMM
AND THEN THE NEXT PERSON COMES UP AND I'M EXPECTED TO ENFORCE THE FIVE MINUTE RULE AGAINST THEM, EVEN THOUGH I KIND OF DID TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
I, I HAVE ADVISED, I THINK IT'S BEST WHETHER YOU DO IT RIGHT AFTER THEY SPEAK OR RIGHT AFTER EVERYONE SPEAKS, THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
BUT TO AT LEAST WAIT FOR THE PERSON TO LEAVE THE PODIUM AND, AND RETURN TO THEIR SEAT.
SO YOU KNOW THAT THEIR TIME HAS BEEN YIELDED BACK TO THE BOARD.
AND FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT, NOT PUBLIC CONVERSATION.
SO THERE CAN BE A RESPONSE, BUT GETTING BACK AND FORTH INTO A CONVERSATION, NO DIALOGUE.
WELL, WE GET TO SOME TIMES THESE CRAZY CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE I'M JUST, NO, I DON'T WANNA JUMP IN 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA MISS MY QUESTION.
DID YOU FINISH ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION? GO AHEAD.
I GIVE MY, I USE MY TWO MINUTES.
I STILL HAVE THREE MINUTES LEFT.
'CAUSE SHE, AS SOON AS YOU WALK AWAY, THE CLERK IS GOING TO RESET THE CLOCK.
THAT'S THE PROPER WAY TO DO IT.
BECAUSE THEN SOMEONE COULD HAVE RIGHT.
JUST KEEP COMING BACK AND FORTH OVER AND OVER.
THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR.
SO, AND, AND I DO WANNA REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME THE TOWN BOARD IS HEARING ABOUT AN ISSUE.
AND THERE MIGHT NOT BE AN ANSWER THAT NIGHT.
YOU NEED TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS.
YOU NEED TO DO THE PROPER RESEARCH.
SO IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT CAN CONTINUE VIA PHONE CALLS, EMAILS, ZOOMS. MM-HMM.
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NO, I TAKE COPIOUS NOTES FOR EVERYONE WHO COMES TO THE PODIUM AND DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE CORRECT DEPARTMENT HEADS AS WELL TO TRY TO FACILITATE, UM MM-HMM.YOU KNOW, WORKING ON THESE ITEMS. AND WE JUST MAY, AND JUST TO APPLY, JUST SAY WE MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER IF WE DIDN'T DO OUR RESEARCH.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO DO.
WE LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO OUR RESEARCH BEFORE WE RESPOND.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA GIVE FALSE INFORMATION.
SO MY QUESTION IS JUST, ARE WE GONNA RESPOND IF WE WANT TO RESPOND, ARE WE GONNA DO THAT AFTER ALL THE SPEAKERS GO? HAVE THEIR, HAVE THEIR, WHICH IS I THINK WHAT JOE, WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, OR YOU SAY NO, YOU RECOMMEND I DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
FOR, TO BE HONEST, IT'S AT THE WALL OF THE BOARD.
I, YOU MIGHT HAVE 10 TO 15 SPEAKERS IN A NIGHT.
WILL YOU REMEMBER THE COMMENTS FROM THE FIRST SPEAKER TO THE LAST? THAT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT AFTER THE FIVE MINUTES IS UP OR HOWEVER LONG THEY TAKE TO FINISH SPEAKING.
BUT THEN IT DOESN'T BECOME A CONVERSATION.
THEY SPEAK AND IF THERE IS A COMMENT OR PART THEY'VE SPOKEN, IT'S IT.
IS THAT WHAT WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU'RE SPEAKING AFTER SPEAKER ONE AND SPEAKING AFTER SPEAKER TWO AND SPEAKING AFTER SPEAKER THREE, OR WAITING FOR THE THIRD SPEAKER TO FINISH AND THEN COMMENTING ON ALL THREE AT ONCE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DECIDE FOR THE BOARD TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER.
AND WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT, AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THAT A SPEAKER SAYS THEIR PIECE, HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES, WHETHER THEY'RE DONE IN TWO MINUTES OR FIVE MINUTES, AND THEN IF THERE IS A RESPONSE, WE RESPOND DIRECTLY THEN AFTER, UM, SO RIGHT AFTER THE SPEAKER, NOT AFTER ALL THE SPEAKERS.
AND, AND, BUT WHAT HAPPENS OFTEN IS THAT A SPEAKER WILL SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES AND POSE A QUESTION.
AND THEN THEY, I'VE GOT TWO MINUTES LEFT.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE CLARIFICATION.
WE HAVE THE MECHANISM, ET CETERA, THAT, THAT TIME KEEPS RUNNING.
SO IT'S STILL THEIR TIME AT THAT POINT.
THE ONLY TIME I STOP THE CLOCK IS WHEN SOMEONE ON THE BOARD INTERRUPTS THE SPEAKER.
THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I STOP THE CLOCK.
OTHERWISE, IT IT, THEY YIELDING YOUR TIME TO, TO GET THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
AND THEN I'VE ALREADY BEEN, UM, UH, ALREADY GOT A COMPLAINT, ETHICS COMPLAINT BECAUSE I DID EXACTLY WHAT THE RULE SAID.
WHY DON'T WE SO HOLD NO, NO, NO, NO.
SO NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC, PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO WHAT IF WE HAVE FIVE PEOPLE ON THE SAME PUBLIC HEARING? ARE WE GONNA DO THAT? WE'RE ARE WE, WE'RE GONNA WAIT TO THE END TO ADDRESS, BECAUSE IT MAY BE SOME OF THE SIMILAR SAME QUESTIONS.
ARE WE STILL GONNA, I JUST WANNA MAKE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT.
I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HENDRICKS RECOMMENDATION WAS EVEN DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TO SPEAK AFTER EACH INDIVIDUAL SPEAKER EACH.
SO WE DON'T FORGET OUR THE POINT OR SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SO IF WE HAVE A GROUP THAT COMES OUT, SO, OKAY.
AND THAT MAKES ACTUALLY BETTER SENSE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, GOING TO YOUR POINT, TO HAVE A COMPLETE RECORD TO SPEAK RIGHT AFTER THE SPEAKER WHO JUST SPOKE MM-HMM
SO SOMEONE LOOKING AT THE TRANSCRIPT LATER ON UNDERSTAND, ESPECIALLY IF IT BECOMES A COURT PROCEEDING, IT'S A LITTLE MORE ORDERLY.
AND WE HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT AFTER THE PRESIDENT SPEAKS, BECAUSE THE, THE YOU'LL US NOT SPEAKING GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT WHAT THEY JUST SAID IS, IS NOT WORTHY OF A RESPONSE.
AND BY THE TIME YOU GET TO IT, IT'S FAR BEHIND.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY GETS UP AND YOU KNOW, AND INSULTS A FAMILY MEMBER AND YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE NIGHT.
SO RELEVANCY IS IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO WE ALSO, CAN I JUST, SORRY.
WE SHOULD KEEP OUR REMARKS SUCCINCT SO THAT THE REST OF THE MEETING CAN GO ON.
AND EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHO WANTS TO GIVE A COMMENT.
SO TO BE MINDFUL OF EACH OTHER, YOU KNOW, THAT WE TAKE TURNS AND SHARE.
SHARE AND THAT CAN WE HAVE AN ORDERLY RESPONSE CALLED OUT BY THE SUPERVISOR? YES.
SO I WILL NOT CALL UP THE NEXT PERSON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING OR A PUBLIC COMMENT UNTIL, UH, THE BOARD, UM, HAS THEIR SAY.
IF, IF, IF WE MAY, I MEAN, WE IS NORMAL.
I WILL JUST NOT BE CALLING UP PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY.
AND MR. SUPERVISOR, IF YOU CAN PLEASE STOP ASKING PEOPLE TO COME UP
AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE ENGAGEMENT WITH THE, WITH THE, UM, WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS, HOWEVER YOU ASKING THEM TO COME UP AND THERE'S A LIST AND THEN IT'S, IT JUST CAUSES CONFUSION.
SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CALLING PEOPLE UP, THEN I WILL, I CAN ABIDE BY MY LIST
AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE BETTER COMMUNICATION WHAT THE LIST IS
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LOOKING LIKE MOVING DOWN THE LINE.SO JUST, I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S COMING.
WELL, WE SHOULD PUT IN HERE, THE CLOCK GETS RESET AS SOON AS YOU LEAVE THE PODIUM.
MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR THAT'S NOT IN HERE.
AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW, AND I JUST AS A SUGGESTION, BECAUSE I EXPIRES BECAUSE I, SORRY.
NO TIME EXPIRES WHEN YOU LEAVE PODIUM, RIGHT? WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR SIGN IN SHEET FOR YOUR PUBLIC HEARING MM-HMM
IS THERE A LIST WHERE YOU CAN SAY, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THE SUBJECT OF WHAT THEY'RE SPEAKING ON? BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT YOU CALL, YOU'RE LIKE, ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR THIS? DID THEY, IS THERE NOT AN OUT, IS IT NOT A COLUMN THAT SAYS, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, FIVE PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING FOR THIS HEARING, WHAT FIVE PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING FOR THIS HEARING? IS THAT PART OF YOUR PROCESS? UM, IT WAS NOT, IT HAS THEIR LOCATION.
BUT I CAN CHANGE THAT TO SUBJECT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO THEN YOU'RE NOT JUST DOING A SURVEY OF WHO'S HERE TO SPEAK ON WHAT, SOMETIMES THEY GET CONFUSED, BUT CORRECT.
OR EVEN IF YOU HAVE SEPARATE, I THINK WE ADDRESSED, I THINK WE ADDRESSED JAY.
SO, UM, THERE WAS A, I'M LOOKING AT L.
SO MOVE THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS APPOINTMENTS AND MOVE IT UP AFTER PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS.
SO THAT WAS A QUESTION FROM YOU FRANCIS OR SOMEBODY.
AND I AGREED THAT WE SHOULD, SOMEONE WROTE IN RED MOVE UP.
HOW DID SOMEBODY ELSE PUT THAT? OH, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT WAS.
BUT WE DON'T USUALLY APPOINT AND WE DON'T USUALLY DO BOARD, UH, APPOINTMENTS AND THINGS UNTIL AFTER, AFTER WE DO OUR THINGS AFTER EVERYBODY HAS PUBLIC COMMENT.
'CAUSE PEOPLE MAY OBJECT TO THE APPOINTMENT, BUT, ALRIGHT, SO BUT BEFORE THE HEARING, SHOULDN'T THIS BE BEFORE THE HEARINGS THOUGH? I MEAN, HEARINGS CAN BE VERY LENGTHY AND WE'RE GOING TO BE APPOINTING PEOPLE AND THAT'S LIKE BUSINESS.
BUT LET'S SAY WE'RE APPOINT, MAYBE WE'RE THIS BOARD'S AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS, SOMEBODY MAY OBJECT.
THOSE GONNA OBJECT TO A RESIGNATION MAYBE, BUT THEY'RE GONNA OBJECT THAT WE'RE HIRING A PARTICULAR PERSON.
THEY DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT UNTIL WE GET THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO YOU NEED TO WAIT UNTIL THEY HAVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
I'M, IF IT'S ON THE AGENDA, THEY'LL SEE THAT SOMEONE IS BEING POINT APPOINTED ON THE AGENDA AND THEY MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO THEY MIGHT WANNA COME UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TO VOICE THEIR PROBLEM.
BUT IF WE'VE ALREADY APPOINTED THEM, THEN IT'S NOT BEING RESPONSIVE TO, OKAY.
SO, UM, I HAVE NO ANY, I DON'T KNOW WHO PUT THE MOVE UP.
I'D KEPT THAT ON THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I HAD A QUESTION MARK.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REGULAR, THE REGULAR MEETING AGENDAS.
SO I THINK WE'RE JUST MISSING A WORD HERE.
SO NOW I'M JUST GONNA READ THE SENTENCE THAT WE HAVE.
IT'S A TOWN BOARD SHALL SUBMIT TO TOWN AID BY NOON, 12:00 PM ON MONDAY.
ONE WEEK BEFORE WES, BEFORE THE WEDNESDAY MEETING THE TOWN BOARD.
ISN'T THAT TOO FAR? THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S, THEY BE FAR IN ADVANCE.
I USUALLY, IT WAS ALWAYS MONDAY, BUT I KIND OF BUMPED IT TO LIKE TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY DEPENDING ON, I MEAN, I LIKE EVERYTHING DONE EARLIER, SO I EARLIER SO I CAN GET IT LIKE, LIKE FORMATTED AND READY TO GO.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT TELL ME LIKE FRIDAY AND I'M TRYING TO LIKE RUSH AND GET IT OUT THERE.
AND CURRENTLY IT'S MONDAY, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION, I'LL PUSH IT OUT LIKE A DAY.
BUT THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE GET INTO TROUBLE THOUGH.
THE MORE THAT GETS PUSHED OUT, THE MORE WE HAVE LIKELIHOOD WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE BACKGROUND DOCUMENTS, YOU KNOW? OKAY.
SO THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION I HAD.
IS THAT TOO FOR IN ADVANCE? OR YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE THEN THAT'S FINE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE AN EXCEPTION.
YEAH, THERE'S A HOLIDAY, WHATEVER.
WE KEEP IT AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
LET'S GET THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.
OKAY, SO IS THAT, WAS THAT YOUR WORDING? WHAT? TO MOVE OUT WHAT'S IN RED? NO.
OH, I, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN MINE.
I, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.
WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE DONE.
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING AFTER? THE SAME THING.
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OKAY.SO THAT'S A LOT OF PAPER, RIGHT? SO CAN'T WE GET THEM ONLINE? BUT I, BUT WE TALK ABOUT, SO HOW ABOUT THE LINKS? THE LINKS OR SOMETHING THAT I COULD EMAIL IT IT TO YOU? I WOULD LIKE IT EMAILED TO ME.
THE PACKET WITH ALL THE BACKUP, EVERYTHING.
WELL, IF YOU HAVE THE AGENDA PACKET ONLINE ALREADY, YOU CAN JUST EMAIL THE AGENDA WITH THE LINKS TO IT SO THAT WE CAN GO INTO THE LINKS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPEND ALL THE EVERYTHING.
YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO YOUR FILE TO SAY, HERE IS TB ONE.
THAT'S ALL THE WHOLE, BUT IT'S THE WHOLE, EACH PACKET GOTTA BE, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SHE'LL PRINT A PACKET AND IT'LL BE ONE PDF OF EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YEAH.
I JUST, BUT WE DON'T WANT PDFS FOR YOU, WE DON'T WANT MUCH PAPER EACH OF THIS, RIGHT? WE GOTTA SAVE THE TREES.
CAN CAN WE FINISH THIS DISCUSSION IF IT'S SEPARATE? SO, SO I'M CONFUSED.
SO WHAT, SO, SO THERE'S THE AGENDA PACKET MM-HMM
THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING MM-HMM
IT'S UP TO YOU WITH ALL THE BACKUP WITH EVERYTHING IN AN EMAIL.
IT MIGHT BE MULTIPLE EMAILS DEPENDING ON HOW EXTENSIVE IT IS.
BUT I CAN EMAIL EVERYTHING TO YOU GUYS UP ON YOUR COMPUTERS.
BUT THAT MEANS YOU, YOU ARE COPYING EVERYTHING INTO THE SINGLE.
WELL, THERE'S, OR THERE'S, UM, UH, DROPBOX.
UM, WHAT? PDF QUICK LINK COLLATOR? NO.
ARE YOU SCANNING? OH, IT'S A PACKET.
I CAN JUST SEE THE WHOLE THING AND JUST PUT AS A LINK AND THEN WE CAN GET INTO, OR, OR YOU A PDF.
UH, THERE'S SOMETHING RELATING TO 13 PLEASURE.
SOMETIMES, UH, I GET EMAILS FROM, UH, A LOT HAL MM-HMM
UH, THAT ON SUNDAYS OR, UH, EVEN LATER THAN SUNDAYS, YOU CAN'T FIND THE AGENDA, YOU KNOW, POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, UH, IF WE HAVE A RULE THAT THE AGENDA, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, YOU PRESENTING US A FINAL VERSION, SAY ON FRIDAY, UH, THAT WE POST THE WIKI GIVE AUTOMATICALLY ON THE WEBSITE.
AND IF, UM, IF IT'S, SO THIS WAY THE PUBLIC HAS ADVANCED NOTICE THAT SOMETHING'S ON THE AGENDA, AND IF IT TURNS OUT THAT SOMETHING'S GONNA BE TAKEN OFF, THAT THREE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO, UH, REMOVE THAT ITEM FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM THE AGENDA.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, FRIDAY, IT HAS TO BE, UH, POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM MM-HMM
WE CAN'T, BUT WE MAKE, WE MAKE A CHANGES IN AGENDA REVIEW ON TUESDAY BEFORE THE MEETING.
NO, BUT EVERY MY FEEL, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE, I FEEL THAT IF WE COULD HAVE, WE COULD PUT A TENTATIVE AGENDA.
I WE COULD HAVE RELEASE A TENTATIVE, IT SAYS AGENDA.
I WAS JUST, IT SAYS TENTATIVE AGENDA.
I WAS, I WAS READING WHAT IT SAYS.
PLEASE, PLEASE KNOW ALL THE WORK, WORK SESSION AGENDA IS SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO EACH WORK SESSION.
THIS AGENDA ABOUT THE REGULAR AGENDA.
I REMEMBER, IT'S NOT THE SAME.
WE USED TO, WE USED TO PUT AS, AS A DRAFT.
SO YOU WERE, YOU THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO SAY DRAFT? IT WAS A DRAFT ON FRIDAY.
AND THEN EVERYONE WOULD REVIEW IT, AND THEN IT WOULD GO IN FINAL FORM LIKE TUESDAY.
WELL, TWO, BUT IT, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, TUESDAY AFTER THE WORK, WELL ACTUALLY, ACTUALLY WHAT WE USED TO DO IS WE USED TO MAIL IT OUT ON, ON FRIDAY.
I THINK WE MAILED IT OUT ON FRIDAY.
IT WAS, THE AGENDA WAS FINALIZED FRIDAY, UM, AT NOON I BELIEVE.
AND THEN, UH, WE WOULD MAIL IT TO EVERYBODY WHO WAS ON THE LIST.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND MY FEELING IS THAT WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING, WE SHOULD SAY, SAY BY FRIDAY AT 3:00 PM WHATEVER, UM, AGENDA COULD BE THE PRELIMINARY OR DRAFT, WHATEVER AGENDA YOU HAVE GOES ON THE WEBSITE SUB.
AND WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING SAYING, THIS IS A DRAFT SUBJECT TO, UM, CHANGES THIS WAY.
NOBODY WILL, WILL FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM ADVANCE NOTES.
SOMETIMES I LOOK ON THE, FOR THE AGENDA ON A SUNDAY AND IT'S NOT, NOTHING'S UP.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, IF I WANT TO LIKE REVIEW WHAT, WHILE WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING, LET'S SEE, I THINK HOLLY HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.
SO ON, I MEAN, ON FRIDAY WE CAN PUT OUT AS TENTATIVE AGENDA, RIGHT? AND THEN FINAL AGENDA, WHATEVER HAPPENS BETWEEN FRIDAY AND TUESDAY.
WEDNESDAY OR WEDNESDAY IS FAIR GAME, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE FINE LINE UNTIL WE ALMOST DO THAT ALREADY.
I MEAN, TYPICALLY IT IS POSTED OVER THE WEEKEND.
I THINK WHAT MR. SAMS MIGHT BE REFERRING TO IS ONE TIME WE HAD A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY, SOMEWHAT RECENTLY.
THERE WAS A TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
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QUICK AND YOU KNOW, IT'S EASY TO SAY IT MUST GO UP.YOU KNOW, HOLLY AND I WERE, WERE SITTING ONE KEYSTROKE, WAIT ABOUT A MINUTE, ANOTHER KEYSTROKE.
AND WE, WE ACTUALLY THOUGHT WE HAD IT PUBLISHED MM-HMM
BUT I GUESS THAT LAST BIT NEVER MADE IT.
SO COME MONDAY MORNING, WE'RE NOTICING IT'S NOT UP.
AND I'M SAYING, HOLLY, WHAT HAPPENED? AND SHE'S SAYING TO ME WHAT HAPPENED? AND WE, WE WERE VERY CONFIDENT THAT IT WAS UP.
AND THEN IT WAS ONLY WHEN WE, WE HEARD THAT IT WASN'T UP.
BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THESE THINGS HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, MAYBE WE SHOULD RETU RE T ROUTINELY TELL THE, UH, IT DIRECTOR TO, UH, RESET THE SERVER FOR AGENDA QUICK.
UM, BECAUSE THAT SOLVED THE PROBLEM.
BUT I'M NOT SAYING NOBODY'S, I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE NOT TRYING, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I FEEL THAT THE PUBLIC, THERE'S, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO LOOK AT THE AGENDAS AND THEY LIKE ADVANCE NOTICE AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOK FORWARD TO LOOKING AND SEEING WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
SO I FEEL WE SHOULD HAVE LIKE A TIME CERTAIN WHEN THE AGENDA'S GONNA BE RELEASED SO WE COULD, I THINK IT WOULD BE MAKE SENSE TO DO FRIDAY.
UM, AND THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE PEOPLE READING AN AGENDA AND SAYING, WHY ARE YOU PUTTING SOMETHING ON AN AGENDA? UH, BECAUSE I HAVE A PRO, YOU KNOW, WITH A BACKUP OF INFORMATION, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE WORDING OR I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UM, WITH THE RESOLUTION.
UM, AND THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO ALL OF US IF WE GET INPUT FROM, UM, FROM RESIDENTS BETWEEN, UM, FRIDAY AND AND TUESDAY.
SO THE COMMENT ON AGENDA, THE EFFORT IS TO GET, TO GET IT DONE ON FRIDAY, WHICH HOLLY SAID FRIDAY AS AS, AS A DRAFT DRAFT TENTATIVE ALL, HOWEVER, HOWEVER IT IS.
RIGHT? AND THEN THE DAY, OBVIOUSLY UNTIL WEDNESDAY.
AND THAT DRAFT, WILL IT HAVE LINKS TO THE RELEVANT DOCUMENTS? OR WILL IT JUST BE HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO THAT? I'M JUST ASKING.
I'M ASKING HOLLY IF SHE CAN GET THAT DONE.
I MEAN, THE ONLY THING IS LIKE IF DOES HAVING TO CHANGE WHEN LIKE THE WORD RESOLUTION HAPPENS TO CHANGE, WE, WE HAVE TO REVIEW WEEKEND.
SO MY QUESTION LIKE, OH, NOW IT CHANGES.
THEY MIGHT THINK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF ONE OF THE LINKED DOCUMENTS CHANGES, LET'S JUST SAY HOLLY, I'M JUST CLARIFY.
IF YOU HAVE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, LIKE A RESOLUTION MM-HMM
AND IT'S PUT ON THERE ON FRIDAY.
RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC, EVERYONE CAN SEE IT.
NOW EVERYONE REVIEWS IT OVER THE WEEKEND AND THEY, THEY FIND A PROBLEM WITH THAT RESOLUTION.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA THINK LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHY DID IT CHANGE? THEY'RE GONNA, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? HOW ARE THEY GOING TO KNOW IT CHANGED? THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT.
WHEN YOU GUYS VOTE ON IT, IF YOU GUYS VOTE ON IT, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN HOW THEY SAW IT ON FRIDAY.
WELL THEN YOU COULD, IF USING, USING, HOW'S AN EXAMPLE? HE, AND, AND HE'LL CATCH THIS, HE'LL REVIEW A DOCUMENT THAT MIGHT BE LINKED ON FRIDAY THAT IS ALSO TENTATIVE.
AND WE FIND THAT THERE'S SOME ERROR THAT HAS TO BE CHANGED.
AND WHAT WE VOTE ON IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE READ ON FRIDAY.
HE KEEP ON FRIDAY, HE WANTS THEM ALL TIMESTAMPED SO THAT HE CAN TELL WHEN THE REVISIONS THAT TAKES AND THEN EVERYTHING WILL BE DONE AS AMENDED.
THIS IS WHAT THEY THINK IT IS.
THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON BECAUSE IT TWEAKED.
SO DO, SO YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, SO THAT CHANGE, IF IT'S KNOWN THAT IT'S CHANGED, LIKE HIGHLIGHT IT IN YELLOW.
WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? HIGHLIGHT IT IN SOME WAY AND ASTERISK SOMETHING TO INDICATE THAT IT CHANGED.
WELL, WE'RE VOTING ON A HIGHLIGHTED DOCUMENT AND I'M JUST ASKING.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS THEN WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, WE STAMP IT, IT'S GONNA HAVE THAT, THOSE MARKS ON IT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF UNPROFESSIONAL.
BUT I MEAN IT'S, UH, UNLESS WE HAVE A QUALIFIER THAT SAYS, PLEASE NOTE DOCUMENTS MAY CHANGE IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WELL WE DO DO HAVE THAT ALREADY.
HOW ABOUT CHANGES ARE JUST REFLECTED DURING THE AGENDA REVIEW AT A TUESDAY MEETING.
AND THEN, SO IF SOMETHING CHANGES OVER THE WEEKEND, YOU MAKE NOTE OF IT, WE SAY IT DURING AGENDA REVIEW, NOW IT'S ON RECORD TO THE PUBLIC, BUT YOU'RE NOT HAVING THE CHANGING THE FORMATTING OR ANYTHING OF, OF THE DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES.
SO IT'S A VERBAL NOTIFICATION, YOU MEAN? RIGHT.
I THINK WE'RE MAKING WORK FOR OURSELVES.
I I'M TRYING TO FIND SOME SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND HERE TO HAVE LESS, LESS WORK.
I MEAN, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? A LOT.
SO WE SHOULD TALK TO THE EXPERTS, LIKE THEY'RE THE ONE THAT REALLY WORKS ON IT TRYING TO GET STUFF OUT.
WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK FOR YOUR SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT'S GONNA WORK BEST.
I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ABOUT THIS PROCESS ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, OH, OR SO THIS IS THE AGENDA, SO SOMETHING CHANGED, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE IN THE AGENDA IT CHANGED AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO HUNT THROUGH AND COMPARE THE TWO AGENDAS TO SEE WHAT CHANGED.
SO HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT EASIER? WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A
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PACKET MM-HMMFIRST OF ALL, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING A PACKET ON THURSDAY AND WE HAVE TO TURN AROUND A, YOU KNOW MM-HMM
A FINISHED PRODUCT FOR FRIDAY TO PUBLISH IT.
UM, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE REALISTIC THAT WE PUBLISH THE BACKGROUND DOCUMENTS ON MONDAY AFTER WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GO OVER THEM AND GIVE OUR COMMENTS IN TO PUT UP A DOCUMENT THAT'S AT LEAST CLOSE TO, UH, BEING IN FINAL FORM MM-HMM
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE IN FINAL FORM ON FRIDAY.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT WE HAVE A DRAFT AGENDA WITHOUT LINKS TO THE ACTUAL BACKUP MATERIALS, UH, AND THAT THOSE WILL BE, UM, ADDED ON MONDAY.
AND I THINK WE'RE WORKING UNDERSTAND, YEAH.
I THINK WE'RE WORKING TOWARD MAYBE THAT BEING A POSSIBILITY ON FRIDAY, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
I THINK THESE, IF THE LINKS DIDN'T GET PUBLISHED UNTIL RIGHT.
SO THAT MONDAY WOULD BE RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.
THERE'S LESS CONFUSION, LESS THEN THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AS MANY CHANGES BETWEEN MONDAY AND WEDNESDAY.
BUT EVEN, ALRIGHT, SO, BUT, AND THEN EVEN DURING AGENDA REVIEW ON TUESDAY, WE SOMETIMES SAY, OH, WE FORGOT TO PUT THIS PERSON'S APPOINTMENT IN.
WE HAVE TO ADD THAT IN, OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW? YEAH.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE THERE'LL BE, SOMETIMES THERE'LL BE THAT KIND OF ADJUSTMENT MM-HMM
BUT IT'S ALSO ON RECORD NOW BECAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT DURING WORK SESSION.
SO THIS THING HERE, DID WE REALLY NEED LANGUAGE OR ARE YOU JUST MAKING A COMMENT? THIS IS A COMMENT.
I DIDN'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SO WE 15 AND 15.
SO ROBERT'S RULES, SO LAY ON THE TABLE.
WHAT, HOW DO YOU DEFINE WHAT THAT EXACTLY MEANS? EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYS.
IT SAYS EDDIE MEMBER, THE TOWN BOARD MAY MAKE A MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE SETTING A DESIGN MOTION IS TO REMOVE THE MAIN MOTION.
THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE, UH, FROM CONSIDERATION UNTIL IT'S CONSIDERATION IS RESUMED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
THERE IS NO DEBATE ON SUCH A MOTION.
AND IF THERE IS A SECOND, THE MOTION TO LAY ON THE TABLE SHALL IMMEDIATELY BE PUT TO A VOTE.
IF SECONDED AND APPROVED BY MAJORITY VOTE SHALL PRECLUDE ANY AMENDMENTS AND DEBATE ON THE QUESTION.
THE, THE LAY ON THE TABLE IS THE TERM.
THAT'S THE, SO IT SHOULD BE A ACCEPTED TERM, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND HAS THAT EVER HAPPENED? OH, SURE.
YOU WANNA, YOU WANT TO MANIPULATE A MEETING
HAS THAT HAP IN PAST, IN RECENT MEMORY? OH, BY US, YES.
UM, NO, I THINK THE OPPOSITE HAS HAPPENED.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE WORDING THEN? I DON'T.
I, IT JUST BASICALLY, UH, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE RULE THAT ONE MEMBER COULD HOLD IT OVER EXCEPT FOR YOU'RE ALL VOTING TO ESSENTIALLY HOLD IT OVER INDEFINITELY UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER VOTE TO PUT IT BACK.
TYPICAL ROBERT'S RULES LANGUAGE.
UM, SAME FOR THE NEXT ONE TOO.
SO THE REASON I PUT THAT LITTLE NOTE IN THERE ALSO IS BECAUSE, UM, TYPICALLY, OR IN, IN THE PRACTICE THAT I'M ACCUSTOMED TO WHEN WE CALL THE MOTION, AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND, AND THEN TYPICALLY IT SAID, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? AND WE DON'T DO THAT.
YEAH, PAUL, USUALLY DISCUSSION IS FIRST
WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM, RIGHT.
BUT THERE MIGHT BE A LAST MINUTE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
SO THAT SHOULD JUST BE PART OF THE CALLING OF THE MOTION.
DO YOU WANNA ADD SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE THEN? I THOUGHT I HAD OH, OH NO I DIDN'T.
UM, YEAH, SO WHEN YOU, UH, WHERE WOULD THAT GO? I KNOW, BUT IT SAYS A VOTE ON A MOTION TO CALL.
THE QUESTION SHALL BE TAKEN ONLY AFTER EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD HAS HAD AT LEAST ONE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE BEFORE THE BOARD.
RIGHT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING FOR RESOLUTIONS, ESSENTIALLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO MAYBE YOU PUT THAT IN 12 M MOTIONS AND RESOLUTIONS.
16 GETS MOVED TO 12 M NO, THEN NO, JUST NUMBER 12 SEPARATE.
TOWN SUPERVISOR SHALL ASK FOR A DISCUSSION BEFORE A VOTE OF I NAS.
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THE PER, AFTER SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION.UM, UH, IF THERE IS A SECOND MM-HMM
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? WE'LL BE CALLED, WE'LL BE CALLED FOR A DISCUSSION.
DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT EXACTLY.
THAT'S A GOOD PLACE ON THE M, WHICH ALSO MEANS SOMEBODY SHOULDN'T MAKE A SPEECH WHEN THEY'RE JUST MAKING A MOTION.
THIS SOMEONE SHOULD MAKE A SPEECH.
NO, THEY SHOULDN'T MAKE A SPEECH.
HAVE THE DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THE MOTION OR AFTER THE MOTION.
IT HAS TO HAVE A SECOND MOTION.
PRIOR TO THE, ANY DISCUSSION ON MOTION TO DIVIDE THE QUESTION? NOPE.
ENTIRE BOARD REQUIRED NOTHING.
SUSPENSION OF SUSPENDING THE RULES, PROCEDURES NOT COVERED, AND AMENDMENTS.
OH MY GOSH, I'M TURNING THE PAGE.
SO, SO NOW YOU WILL BACK ALL THE CHANGES AND THEN QUICK REVIEW AND PUT ON IT.
CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE PAUSE, UM, BEFORE WE DO THE WHATEVER SOCIAL MEDIA OR FOR SOCIAL MEDIA? MM-HMM
DID YOU, SAM, I THINK WE'LL TAKE A SHORT RECESS.
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ALL RIGHT, SO I THINK, SO I'LL RIGHT BACK.SO AS WE WAIT FOR, UM, COUNCILWOMAN HE HENDRICKS TO COME BACK.
SO I THINK WE HAVE NOW DECIDED IN THIS LAST SEGMENT THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED THE, UH, RULES AND REGULATIONS, RULES AND PROCEDURES.
UM, SO NOW HOLLY WILL MAKE THE CHANGE.
HOLLY WILL MAKE THE CHANGES, AND THEN, UH, WE CAN VOTE ON THEM.
NEXT, NEXT TIME IS NEXT TERM TERM TOWN BOARD MEETING ON THE YES.
ON THE 11TH, I BELIEVE, RIGHT? FEBRUARY 11TH.
ALL RIGHT, SO I THINK NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR.
I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK ON THAT IS THE SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY.
SO IF YOU RECALL THE TOWN BOARD ACTUALLY DON'T THANK ME.
THANK SPECIAL COUNSEL WHO ACTUALLY WORKED ON THIS.
UM, HE DOES, HE DOES HAVE THE EXPERTISE IN SOCIAL MEDIA LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS.
UM, THE FIRM DOES LOOK INTO DECISIONS MADE BY THE SUPREME COURT.
AS WE KNOW, CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES RISE UP TO A FEDERAL LEVEL.
SO
UM, THESE POLICIES WILL BE, ONCE YOU VOTE ON THEM VIA OFFICIAL RESOLUTION MM-HMM
UM, STATE POLICIES FOR BOTH THE PUBLIC AND FOR EMPLOYEES.
SO WHAT'S THE POINT OF SOCIAL MEDIA POLICIES? IT'S FOR ONE, THE MUNICIPAL ENTITY TO COME TO RULES AND REGULATIONS, HOW THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA WILL BE IMPLEMENTED AND WHO HAS THE RIGHT TO IMPLEMENT THOSE POLICIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMEONE, UM, PRETENDING TO BE A MUNICIPALITY PUTTING THE LOGO OH YEAH.
OR WRITING AS IF THEY'RE AN OFFICIAL OF A TOWN, A MUNICIPALITY.
UM, HERE YOU REALLY SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING, A STRUCTURE.
UM, WHO, WHO USES THE FACEBOOK? WHO USES X, FORMERLY KNOWN AS TWITTER AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, SO ONE OF THOSE POLICIES SORT OF DETAILS THAT, AND ALSO DETAILS THE EMPLOYEE'S USAGE OF SOCIAL MEDIA.
IT'S BEST PRACTICE TO INFORM EMPLOYEES TO REMIND THEM THAT WHEN THEY'RE POSTING ON SOCIAL MEDIA SITES, FIRST OF ALL, IF IT'S IN YOUR OWN PRIVATE LIFE, MAKE SURE THAT'S SEPARATE AND APART RIGHT FROM THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
YOU DON'T WANNA BE POSTING SOMETHING WITH J DANKO@GREENBERGNY.GOV WHEN IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY JOB.
AND IT'S REALLY OUR OWN PERSONAL ITEM.
UM, IT, IT ALSO WANTS TO REMIND EMPLOYEES THAT EVEN WHEN THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN PERSONAL TIME USING SOCIAL MEDIA, THAT YOU'RE STILL AN EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
SO TO HOLD YOURSELF ACCOUNTABLE AND WHAT YOU PUT OUT THERE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD POTENTIALLY SEE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT, UM, THERE'S ALSO, IF YOU LOOK, THIS SHOULD BE DISTRIBUTED TO ALL THE EMPLOYEES THAT THEY CAN SIGN OFF THAT THEY'VE READ THE POLICY AND UNDERSTAND THE POLICY AS WELL.
THE OTHER POINT OF A SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY IS TO LET THE USER OF THESE WEBSITES AND OF THESE SOCIAL MEDIAS KNOW THEIR RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES TOO.
KNOW THAT THINGS THEY'RE POSTING MIGHT BE SUBJECT TO FOIL, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION LAW, THAT THEY MIGHT BE USED AS PART OF LAWSUITS POTENTIALLY.
UM, BUT THEY SHOULD ALSO KNOW THAT HATE SPEECH DEFAMATION ITEMS, UM, CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE NOT PROTECTED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION CAN BE REMOVED AT THE DISCRETION OF THE TOWN.
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WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF THAT HAPPENING.I, I KNOW I FREQUENT SOME OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA SITES JUST TO LOOK FOR THAT SORT OF STUFF.
AND I, AND I DON'T REALLY SEE IT, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW AND YOU DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO MAKE A FIRST AMENDMENT ARGUMENT BASED ON SPEECH THAT IS NOT PROTECTED.
SO THESE DOCUMENTS GO THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SOCIAL MEDIA IS CHANGING CONSTANTLY.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE AI IS GOING.
WE DON'T REALLY ADDRESS AI IN THE CURRENT DRAFT.
WE, WE MIGHT WANNA PUT A, A MENTION OF THAT AS WELL.
IT WAS POINTED OUT LAST WEEK, THERE DEFINITELY SOME FORMATTING AND TYPO ISSUES THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THIS IS FINALIZED.
UM, BUT I DID WANT TO PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD.
UM, THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT SHARING IT WITH THE PUBLIC, SEE ANY, UH, ITEMS THAT THEY THINK SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BEFORE YOU OFFICIALLY APPROVE IT VIA RESOLUTION OF THE UPCOMING TOWN BOARD MEETINGS.
I WOULD LIKE IT CLEANED UP FIRST, YOU KNOW, WITH BEFORE IT'S POSTED.
SO THE THREE, THESE THREE DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS.
SO THE, UM, THE ONE ENTITLED TOWN OF GREENBERG, EMPLOYEE DIGITAL SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY, THAT ONE IS THEN CORRELATED ALSO TO THE TOWN OF GREENER DEPARTMENT OF PERSONAL USE OF SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY.
SO WHY TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS? I, I THINK WE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
I THINK WE CAN COMBINE IT YEAH.
INTO ONE, SO THAT I'LL DEAL WITH, WITH THE FORMATTING ISSUE.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE IT, IT CAN BE A LITTLE CONFUSING.
SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY ONE FOR EMPLOYEES, ONE FOR THE PUBLIC.
AND DO WE EXPECT OUR EMPLOYEES TO SIGN THIS? I THINK THAT'S BEST PRACTICE.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES SIGN THIS.
AND WHAT DO THEY LIKE A CODE OF CONDUCT KIND OF THING? YEAH.
UH, WHAT IF THEY DON'T, UH, I'D LIKE TO ADVISE YOU OF THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I, I, I THINK, BUT IF THIS IS A NEW POLICY THAT WE'RE JUST COMING UP WITH, WHAT DOES IT SAY? EFFECTIVE 2022.
THAT THAT'S JUST FROM A TEMPLATE.
AND IT SAYS THE TOWN OF GREENBURG DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO BE CROSSED OUT.
ON MY COPY, I HAVE SOME EDITS.
I I, SO I COULD HAVE MADE THOSE.
I DON'T WANT THIS TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC YET.
I WILL RESEND IT, UH, WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK AND YOU COULD TAKE ANOTHER REVIEW TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ITEMS. DO YOU WANT, WANT DO, UH, LIKE THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT, UH, TRAINING? DO LIKE A, AN ETHICS TRAINING.
HAVE LIKE A MANDATORY ANNUAL, UH, UH, LIKE TRAINING OR SOMETHING.
COULD BE BY VIDEO OR SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE BASICALLY WE'RE DOING, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA, UM, SAYING THIS IS OUR SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY.
WE WANNA EXPLAIN, UH, EXPLAIN IT.
I REMEMBER WE TOOK THAT TRAINING AND IT WAS LIKE FOUR HOURS.
MAYBE, MAYBE YOU COULD DO LIKE A, I I I COULD PREPARE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE LIKE HALF HOUR.
AT MOST, NO MORE THAN 30 MINUTES.
I THINK I JUST PUT THAT OUTTA MY HEAD.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BETTER TEACHING TOOL.
THAT THIS IS A LOT TO READ FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR EMPLOYEES AND TOWN BOARD MEMBERS,
SO I THINK THAT IT YEAH, A TUTORIAL TO WHAT YEAH, IF YOU FOCUS ON THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY, UH, UH, HELPFUL.
CAN I JUST REALLY QUICKLY, AND IT SHOULD BE ON THE ROSTER OF ANNUAL TRAINING FOR EMPLOYEES.
SO THEY CAN NEVER SAY I DIDN'T TAKE THE TRAINING.
IT'S MANDATORY FOR THEM TO TAKE IT EVERY ANNUAL, BUT WE NEED THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL BECAUSE WHEN IT BECOMES CONTENTIOUS IN LITIGATION MM-HMM
ARE YOU OPEN TO ME FILMING SOMETHING WITH TERRANCE? AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE PUTTING LIKE A PASSCODE IN THE VIDEO TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION OR SHOULD IT BE LIVE? AND THE, THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IT JUST, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR MY OFFICE TO DO IT IN ONE TAKE.
UM, AND THEN LIKE, SAY CO CODES, YOU HAVE TO TYPE OUT MM-HMM
UM, OR, OR WOULD YOU PREFER IT LIVE? IT IS BASED ON SCHEDULING.
I THINK THE ORIGINAL TRAINING WOULD BE NICE TO BE LIVE AND MAYBE REFRESHERS COULD BE ONLINE.
IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? WELL, YOU KNOW, OFTEN THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE TRAINING VIDEOS PERIODICALLY HAVE QUITE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO PASS TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE PAID ATTENTION.
SO IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
BUT FOR I AM GOING, I'LL, I'LL BE UPFRONT ABOUT THIS.
I'M GOING TO ASK MY LEGAL INTERN TO HELP WITH THIS BECAUSE SHE'S TAKING CONSTITUTIONAL LAW RIGHT NOW.
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WOULD ACTUALLY BE A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE.AND I OF COURSE, OVERSEEING EVERYTHING.
THAT'S WHAT AN INTERNSHIP, THAT'S WHAT INTERNS ARE FOR.
IS THIS IN ADDITION TO THE, THE ANNUAL TRAINING THAT WE DO FOR SEXUAL HARASSMENT? YES, DEFINITELY.
YOU STILL HAVE TO TAKE, ALWAYS JUST USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE.
WE HAVE THESE OTHER TRAININGS, WHY NOT DO THIS? WHICH IS A GOOD IDEA.
NO, I JUST MEANT AT THE SAME TIME.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE ON YOUR LIBRARY OF TRAINING THAT YOU HAVE TO DO FOR THE YEAR.
WE'LL, WE'LL WORK YOU'LL FIGURE IT OUT.
WOULD THAT ALSO APPLY TO VOLUNTEERS? ANY VOLUNTEER WHO BASICALLY YES, I THINK SO.
THEY WOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO BE ABLE TO POST THAT.
THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS.
I THINK ACTUALLY THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE IT BECOMES THE MOST, MOST CHALLENGING.
DID THE GUY ACTUALLY REVIEW THESE AND WELL LET HIM REVIEW THEM IN FINAL FORM? YES, I WILL.
THE GUY THAT, THE GUY WE, WE RETAIN, EXCUSE ME, SORRY.
THE GUY THAT SENDS US EMAILS ALL THE TIME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW.
I'LL HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA DO THE FORENSIC AUDIT.
IS KIMBERLY HERE? NO, THAT'S IT.
SO WHEN WE SAY WE'RE DOING THE FORENSIC AUDIT, I DIDN'T WHAT THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IS THAT JOE PRESENTING HIS DEPARTMENT'S, UH, PLAN OF ACTION? OR ARE WE TALKING IN GENERAL TERMS? I THINK IT'S, I THINK WHAT IT MEANS, WELL IT, IT, LAST TIME WAS A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION JUST SAYING WE GOT IT.
I THINK THIS IS, UM, BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE GONNA WORK ON IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN OF ACTION IN A WEEK.
I DIDN'T MEAN WE WOULD HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION.
JOE, AS A DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN OF ACTION.
I KNOW THAT WAS WHAT THE SUBSTANCE OF THIS WAS ABOUT.
SO THE REPORT CAME OUT ONE WEEK AGO TODAY.
UM, I DID SEND IT TO ALL EMPLOYEES, AND I KNOW OTHER DEPARTMENT HEADS ARE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY AND, AND LOOKING FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT, HOW THEY CAN RECTIFY ANY OF THE ISSUES WITH WITHIN THE REPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT PERSONALLY WILL TAKE A LITTLE LONGER THAN A WEEK FOR MOST DEPARTMENTS TO GET THROUGH THAT.
UM, SO, SO WE'RE STILL WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM A FEW, I DID REPLY TO THE TOWN BOARD, HOW MY OFFICE AND MYSELF, WE EXPECT TO RECTIFY THE ISSUE WITH NOT COLLECTING, UM, IN REM FORECLOSURE TAX LIENS THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
AND THE REASON I WAS ABLE TO DO SO, SO QUICKLY IS BECAUSE THIS WAS ALREADY AN ISSUE, WE KNEW MM-HMM
NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED, BOTH MYSELF AND THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, AND YOU HAVE THANKFULLY GRANTED ME SPECIAL COUNSEL, UM, SAME COUNSEL WHO DOES OUR TAX CERTS TO HELP WORK ON THIS HIGHLY TECHNICAL, UM, IF YOU MISS ONE PORTION OF AN ARTICLE 11 FORECLOSURE TAX LIEN, YOU HAVE TO START FROM SCRATCH.
AND IT'S A MAJOR WASTE OF TIME.
SO WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE LISTS AND WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN DO THIS EFFECTIVELY MM-HMM
AND WE CAN COLLECT AS MUCH MONEY AS POSSIBLE AT THIS POINT.
UH, YOU'LL BE SEEING A RESOLUTION TO HIRE ABSOLUTE AUCTIONS EITHER ON FEBRUARY 11TH OR FEBRUARY 25TH TOWN BOARD MEETING.
UH, THEY WERE DEEMED TO BE THE LOWEST RESPONSIBLE BIDDER TO THE RFP THAT WENT OUT.
THAT FIRST AUCTION WILL BE FOR THE 2013 TAX LIENS FOR ANYONE LISTENING.
THAT'S, IT'S WAY TOO LONG TO WAIT TO BE DOING 2013 AT THIS POINT, BUT WE HAVE A PLAN TO CATCH UP OVER THE NEXT THREE OR SO YEARS.
UH, WE PLAN ON HAVING TWO ADDITIONAL AUCTIONS LATER THIS YEAR IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN.
SO I'LL PUT AN ASTERISK ON ON THAT ONE.
UH, WE NEED COOPERATION, UM, FROM THE RECEIVER TAXES, WHICH I'M SURE WE WILL GET, HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP.
UM, BUT WE NEED COOPERATION OF THE WESTCHESTER SUPREME COURT FOR CLOSURE PART AS WELL.
AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEIR SCHEDULE, UM, AND, AND THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
SO I COULD SAY YES, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.
IT REALLY DOES DEPEND ON THE CASELOAD THAT THEY HAVE AND THE SCHEDULING THEY GIVE.
WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO PUT EVERYTHING ON, UH, WHEN WE CAN.
UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE REACHING OUT ABOUT THE FORECLOSURES BASED ON WHAT SUPERVISOR FINER HAD POSTED THE OTHER DAY.
WE ARE PUTTING THEM ALL IN A SPREADSHEET.
WE'LL KEEP THEM ON FILE THAT ANY TIME A FORECLOSURE AUCTION WILL BE OCCURRING, THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE NOTIFIED IF ANYONE IS WATCHING AND WOULD LIKE TO BE PUT ON THAT LIST.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE EMAIL LEGAL LEGA L@GREENBERGNY.GOV.
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WE'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE YOU EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN AUCTION PROPERTY LIST, INCLUDING, UH, THE, THE, UM, OPENING BID, THE TYPE OF PROPERTY WHERE THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED, ALL, ALL THE NECESSARY INFORMATION MM-HMMUM, THIS IS, UH, POTENTIAL BIDDERS.
THIS IS FOR POTENTIAL BIDDERS.
WE ALSO PLAN ON NOTIFYING THE VILLAGES AS WELL.
UM, JUST IN CASE, UH, PROPERTIES WITHIN A VILLAGE, ACTUALLY, I KNOW AT LEAST ONE VILLAGE HAS ALREADY REACHED OUT TO ME.
THEY'RE HOPING TO PUT IN A BID FOR A PROPERTY, SO WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO NOTIFY THEM.
UH, OUR PLAN IS TO GET CAUGHT UP AND TO FOLLOW NORMAL PROCEDURE, WHICH IS THREE YEAR SPAN.
SO YOU DON'T, YOU GO IN A LIEN IN 2026 BY 2029, WE HAVE FORECLOSED AND WE'RE AUCTIONING IF WE MUST.
I THINK IT'S THE INTENTION OF THE BOARD TO TRY NOT TO FORECLOSE ON PROPERTIES, BUT MM-HMM
WHEN SOMETHING LIKE 2013 LIEN IS STILL OUTSTANDING IN 2026 AND THE AMOUNT OF LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN SENT OUT BY LEGAL SUPERVISOR, TAX RECEIVER, IT'S LOOKING LIKE THESE PEOPLE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL THEIR POTENTIAL REMEDIES.
THEY HAVE REMEDIES AT COURT AS WELL.
THE, AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE FIRST SET, UM, HIRE AN ATTORNEY AND COME OUT AND TRY TO FIGHT IT.
IT SEEMS LIKE MOST ARE JUST GOING THROUGH A PROCESS AT THIS POINT OR ARE NO LONGER EVEN IN COMMUNICATION.
UM, BUT, BUT OUR PLAN IS TO GET CAUGHT UP AND THEN TO STAY CAUGHT UP BECAUSE WE NEVER WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND I THINK WE BROUGHT, UM, CAN I, SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION.
WHEN DID YOU SAY THAT BID WENT OUT TO FOR THE AUCTION HOUSE? A FEW MONTHS AGO.
WE RECEIVED, I BELIEVE, THREE OR FOUR BIDDERS.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE PROCESS HAD BEEN UNDERWAY.
AND I'VE, UH, WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, MANY, MANY LETTERS TO PEOPLE IN ARREARS OVER THE PAST 10 YEARS.
UH, VENITA, I THINK SHE SAID THE LAST ONE GOT LIKE OVER A MILLION DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, COLLECTED.
SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM HAVE, THEY'VE ALWAYS, WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN BIG RESPONSES ALSO HELP PEOPLE AVOID, UH, FORECLOSURES, UH, BY LINKING THEM TO VARIOUS S NOT-FOR-PROFITS OR OTHER AGENCIES, YOU KNOW, OVER, OVER THE YEARS.
THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, AND I BROUGHT THIS UP, UM, YOU KNOW, PERIODICALLY IS, UM, IN THE, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, THE STATE LEGISLATURES SAID THAT COMMUNITIES, IF THEY WANTED TO OPT IN, WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY OF SELLING TAX LIS.
AND IN THE 19, I GUESS EIGHTIES OR NINETIES, THE BOARD SAID DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT.
BUT, UM, A LOT OF OTHER COMM, YOU KNOW, I SPOKE TO KIMBERLY, UM, AND, UM, SHE WAS OPEN TO THIS, IF WE, UM, ASKED THE STATE LEGISLATURE, UM, TO AUTHORIZE THE TOWN TO SELL TAX LIENS AND MAY ENABLE US TO, UM, GET CAUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, SOONER, AND IT, IT COULD BE LESS BUREAUCRATIC, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND, YOU KNOW, THE STATE AND NATION USE, UH, THE LIEN SALES, UM, AS A VEHICLE FOR AVOIDING A LONG AND ARDUOUS, UM, ARDUOUS, UM, PROCESS OF COLLECTING, UH, DELINQUENT TAXES AND FORECLOSING ON, UH, PROPERTIES.
AND I'M WONDERING IF, UM, THE BOARD WOULD BE OPEN TO, UM, HAVING THE TOWN ATTORNEY, UM, YOU KNOW, REVIEW, UH, THAT OPTION AND THEN MAKING, UM, A RECOMMENDATION WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ASK THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO LET US, YOU KNOW, DO I THINK WE SHOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, KIMBERLY, UH, FOR HER OPINIONS AND THE RECEIVER OF TAXES, UH, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CLEAR THIS UP MUCH FASTER AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE A BIG
SO ARE YOU SUPPORTING TAX LIENS SELLING THE TAX TAX? I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT I AM ASKING THE CONTROLLER, THE RECEIVER OF TAXES AND TOWN ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE US WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE SALE OF TAX LIENS IS AN OPTION.
AND IF YOU FEEL THAT, AND MAYBE WE COULD SPEAK TO OUR SPECIAL COUNSEL, YOU KNOW, ALSO ON THAT YOU HAVE SOME OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BENEFITS AND NEGATIVES AND, AND THEN HAVE A PRESENTATION TO THE TOWN BOARD AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD CLEAR EVERYTHING UP, UH, SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HELP OUR, UM, THE, A BUDGET A LOT BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF MAY, MAY I ASK IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE READING FROM, DOES IT CLARIFY? NO, THIS WAS IN MY NOTES.
THEN CAN YOU CLARIFY, UM, IF THERE IS, WHAT THE FINANCIAL BENEFIT OF SELLING OFF THE TAX LIENS ARE BY, YOU KNOW, COMPARATIVELY THE, THE BENEFITS ARE THAT WE WOULD BASICALLY GET CAUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, SOONER.
THAT'S, WELL WHAT IS, WHAT'S THE S FINANCIAL, WHAT WOULD BE THE DISCOUNT? YEAH, WE, WE WOULD SPEAK TO,
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I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT I'M NOT, THERE'S NO DOCUMENT.LET ME JUST SAY, LET ME, THERE'S, THIS IS NOT A FIGHT ALL I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT A FIGHT.
I'M JUST, NO, WELL, I'M SAYING WELL, ALL I'M SUGGEST DO YOU SUPPORT THE TEXT? LEMME JUST SAY, ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT THE TOWN ATTORNEY, OUR SPECIAL COUNSEL, UM, THE CONTROLLER WHO I SPOKE TO AND THE CONTROLLER SAID SHE LIKED THE IDEA OF SHE OWN, I DON'T OWN ANYMORE, BUT I WANTED TO KNOW, I WANTED TO KNOW YOUR RESEARCH.
NO, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IN YOUR RESEARCH, 'CAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR.
SO IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO US HOW THE SELLING OF TAX LANES AND HOW ALL THE PROCESS AND ALL, OR HOW THAT WORKS AND WHAT BENEFIT THAT WE'RE GONNA GET FROM THAT.
BESIDES GETTING IT OFF THE BOOKS, WE, WE HEARD THAT PART, BUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A FINANCIAL HIT BY SELLING THE TAX LIENS TO A, A THIRD PARTY? SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE MIGHT, WE MIGHT GET BACK SOME MONEY, BUT NOT THE KIND OF MONEY WE GET IF WE HAD A BETTER, NOW THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AN EFFICIENT PROCESS.
NO, NO, BUT I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT PAUL NO, PAUL, PAUL'S MAKING SOME THE SUGGESTION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW FROM WHAT YOU RESEARCHED WHAT, SO DO, DO YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA? I MEAN, YOU'RE PUTTING IT FORWARD.
I THINK IT'S WORTH, UH, REVIEWING IT AND GETTING, UH, EXPERT ADVICE FROM PEOPLE WHO DEAL, YOU KNOW, WITH THE ISSUE.
UH, WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES SENSE, NOT, IT'S NOT.
I'M, I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THIS.
UH, BUT THE THING IS I'D LIKE TO HAVE, UH, THE, THE TOWN ATTORNEY, UM, AND YOUR TEAM OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ADVISING US, GIVE US THEIR ADVICE.
WHEN I SPOKE TO THE CONTROLLER, SHE INDICATED THAT, UH, IN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT SHE WORKED FOR, THEY, THEY DID SELL TAX.
I THINK SHE SENT US ALL AN EMAIL ON THAT.
UH, THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, A, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS AGO.
UH, AND BECAUSE I COPIED EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD, SO I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT MAY TURN OUT THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA, BUT AT LEAST WE'RE EXPLORING IT.
AND, AND IF, UH, IT IS A GOOD IDEA AND THEY LIKE IT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK THE STATE LEGISLATURE FOR A HOME RULE REQUEST THAT WOULD AUTHORIZE US TO, UH, UH, TO DO THAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MY, I FEEL THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY A BIG TICKET ITEM.
UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, A BIT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD GET THIS RESOLVED AND, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER, UM, YOU KNOW, COLLECTING THE BACK TAXES.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT, SO I, I, MY GUT FAILING IS IT'S NICE TO CLEAR UP A BACKLOG AND THEN START FROM SCRATCH AND THEN IT'S NOT O YOU KNOW, OVER, YOU KNOW, OVERWHELMING.
LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WE'RE SO, SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT SHORT TERM WE SELL OFF LIENS, SEE HOW IT WORKS, AND THEN, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MAKE, GET UP TO SPEED AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHAT TO DO, WHETHER WE CONTINUE WITH THAT OR NOT.
AND I'M ALSO SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF OUR, UM, SPECIAL COUNSEL AND, YOU KNOW, VENITA AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY, IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T REALLY IN THE CONTROLLER, IF EVERYBODY SAYS AFTER AND AFTER WE'RE GIVEN, YOU KNOW, ALL SIDES AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT.
IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S JUST STAY THE COURSE.
THAT'S THE BETTER APPROACH, THEN WE'LL STAY THE COURSE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO, THEN WE'LL DO THE, FOR THE FORECLOSURES LIKE WE WERE GONNA DO.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF IT, IF IT MAKES SENSE AND IT COULD HELP THE TOWN FINANCIALLY, UM, AND GET IT OFF THE BOOKS, THEN THERE'S NOTHING LOST.
SO WE'VE DONE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK THE LAST YEAR TO GET US IN THIS POSITION TO, TO MOVE THE FORECLOSURES FORWARD.
I CAN DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE SALE OF TAX LIENS IF, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WISH.
UM, BUT WE SHOULD PROCEED DEFINITELY WITH THE 2013 MM-HMM
ESPECIALLY, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S ANY APPETITE AT THE STATE LEVEL TO OPEN THAT UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE THAT HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS, WE CAN GO ALONG PARALLEL TRACKS.
THE THING, THE 2013, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THREE AUCTIONS THIS YEAR, UH, THEN THERE'S NO NEED TO DO THE TAX LIEN SALES ON THOSE THREE AUCTIONS BECAUSE YOU'RE SO CLOSE AND YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE THE WORK.
ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU'RE STILL, AFTER THESE AUCTIONS, THERE'S STILL A BIG A, A LARGE BACKLOG LOT.
WE GET, I THINK WE GET THE, WE GET IT.
IF YOU KNOW WHAT THE RANGE IS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SELL IT TO, WHAT PERCENTAGE DO THEY WANT? YOU KNOW, I, I'M, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE TOWN ATTORNEY FOR, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE US A REPORT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AND YOU MIGHT WANNA SEE HOW SUCCESSFUL THE AUCTIONS ARE ALSO TO WEIGH INTO THAT CONSIDERATION COMPARISON.
HOW MUCH PERCENTAGE OFF DO YOU TYPICALLY GET FOR A LIEN VERSUS WHAT THE FORECLOSURE RIGHT.
THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO CALCULATE.
ESPECIALLY ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROPERTIES AND DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF TAXES OWED, BUT MM-HMM.
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DO SOME RESEARCH AND PROVIDE YEAH, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WAS ASKING.IF HE HAD DONE THAT PERSONAL, IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE HAVING OUR SPECIAL COUNSEL MEET WITH US AND GIVE US THE PROS AND CONS BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPERTS ON THIS AND THEY MIGHT BE.
I THINK WE GOT THE, WE'VE GOT THE PROJECT.
I DO WANNA SAY THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A PARTICULARLY FRUSTRATING TOPIC FOR ME 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A WHILE AND IN 20 12, 20 13, WE ACTUALLY HAD AN AMNESTY PERIOD OF THE TAXES.
A ONE TIME AMNESTY ON THE, UH, ON, I THINK IT WAS ON THE INTEREST BUT NOT ON THE PENALTIES.
UM, AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE OWED $32 MILLION IN OUTSTANDING PROPERTY TAXES.
AND WE VOWED THAT THAT'LL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND WE DID A GREAT JOB AND LETTERS WENT OUT AND LETTERS WENT OUT AND WE REALLY GOT IT DOWN VERY SUBSTANTIALLY.
AND WE SAID IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND THEN PAUL, YOU HIRED A FRIEND OF YOURS AS AN ATTORNEY WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE BOARD HIRED.
THE BOARD, I'M ONE OF FIVE VOTES.
BUT THAT WAS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.
'CAUSE IT'S A PERSONNEL MATTER.
YOU, YOU VOTE THE PRIOR TOWN ATTORNEY DID NOT WANT THIS PERSON.
YOU INSISTED THE CURRENT TOWN ATTORNEY SAID, I'M NOT PUTTING IT UP.
I'M JUST, IT'S, IT'S NOT SILLY SEASON.
TELL ME, TELL ME WHEN YOU'RE FINISHED.
NO, FIRST OF ALL, LEMME SAY SOMETHING.
I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO ARGUMENTS.
UM, ALL I'M SAYING IS EVERY DECISION WE MAKE, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE ANYBODY UNDER STATE LAW.
UH, BECAUSE THIS TOWN SUPERVISOR DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIRE ANYBODY UNILATERALLY.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE BY, UH, BY THE TOWN BOARD.
SO YOU VOTED FOR, UM, THE, ANY APPOINTMENTS THAT WE MADE AND, UM, AND, UH, AT LEAST ONE OTHER BOARD MEMBER VOTED.
I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO A FIGHT.
SO YOU BROUGHT IN THIS PERSON WHO THE PREVIOUS TOWN ATTORNEY DIDN'T WANT TO USE, BUT WE USED ANYWAY.
UH, THE CURRENT TOWN ATTORNEY COULD NOT TOLERATE IT ANYMORE.
AND IT'S THE TOWN ATTORNEY WHO ACTUALLY HIRES OR FIRES THESE PEOPLE.
AND THAT PERSON HAD ONE JOB, THE PERSON THAT YOU WANTED.
AND THAT WAS TO KEEP US SO THAT WE NEVER GO INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE HA ARE PUTTING PEOPLE AT SUCH RISK.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING NOW AT A PROPERTY THAT IS PAYING PACKED BACK TAXES TO 2013, THERE'S NO WAY OUT OF THAT WITH THE INTEREST IN PENALTY THAT'S ON THAT.
AND WE VOWED, I REMEMBERED VERY CLEARLY THAT WE VOWED IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND HERE WE ARE NOW, SO MANY YEARS LATER, 13 YEARS LATER, $32 MILLION IN OUTSTANDING TAXES.
IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF ALL WHAT OF ALL OF WHAT WE DID.
AND SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SELLING THE TAX LIENS AND LET'S BE VERY CLEAR WHAT IT MEANS TO SELL A TAX LIEN IF YOU SELL A TAX LIEN.
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THERE'S A NEWLY WIDOW, WIDOWED PERSON WHO CAN'T MAKE ENDS MEET, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THAT HOUSE.
WHAT WE WERE DOING BACK THEN, AS BEST WE POSSIBLY COULD, WAS WORKING WITH THEM SO THAT THEY COULD DO SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PAYROLL, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTIAL PAYMENTS OR WHATEVER TO GET THEM OUT OF THAT HOLE.
BUT AS SOON AS YOU SELL THAT TAX LIEN, THEY KNOW ONE THING, THEY'RE GONNA GO AFTER THAT MONEY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COMPASSION.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE TOWN OF GREENBERG.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.
I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND ALL THESE DIFFERENT FACTORS BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.
I HAD SOME MORE GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AUDIT, UNLESS ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO.
SO BEING THAT THIS IS MY FIRST FORENSIC AUDIT
RIGHT? I THINK IF YOU LOOK ON, THEY'RE CALLING IT A FORENSIC REPORT BECAUSE OKAY.
AND, AND THE DISTINCTION, THIS CAME UP AT THE COUNCIL GREENER EXHIBIT ASSOCIATION LAST NIGHT.
SO THE DISTINCTION IS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS TO CALL IT AN AUDIT.
SO IT'S, THEY'RE CALLING IT A REPORT.
SOMEWHERE IN THERE IT SAYS A REPORT.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS, THIS GROUP HAS INTEGRITY.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SAY THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE DONE.
AND MAYBE WE ASK THEM TO DO MORE.
SO THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS THEN A, IN A WAY, A SAMPLING OF WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE FOUND IN THIS KIND OF A PROCESS.
SO BEING THAT THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT THINGS FOUND, ARE WE THEN GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH A FULL FORENSIC AUDIT, UH, TO SEE WHERE OTHER
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AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS, WHAT IS LIKE, WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP? LIKE WHAT DO WE THINK WE WILL DO? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE WITH OUR CONTROLLER.IS COULD WE GET THE CONTROL THE CONTROLLER HERE, TEXT HER? I DON'T THINK THAT'S A DISCUSSION WE HAVE.
I'M SAYING SHOULD PROBABLY, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CONTROLLER? I MEAN, THIS IS, CAN WE CALL HER? I MEAN, I THINK SHE WASN'T AVAILABLE.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW IF SHE WAS PLANNING.
NO, BUT WE SCHEDULE SOMETHING.
BUT WE SHOULD SCHEDULE SOMETHING.
'CAUSE LET HER BE, LET HER HAVE ALL HER, UM, INFORMATION AND READY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
SO WE ALREADY HAD, WHY WAS IT ON THE AGENDA? WE ALREADY HAD, YOU KNOW, A NICE DISCUSSION TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OUTSTANDING PROPERTY TAXES.
AND THEN, UM, I GUESS THIS IS REALLY QUESTION MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE CONTROLLER.
UM, SO I AM NOT CLEAR WHY THERE ARE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE NOT, THAT, THAT CONTROLLER DO NOT FEEL ARE UNDER HER PURVIEW IN TERMS OF, UH, THEIR FISCAL, UM, REPORTING OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND OTHERS ARE, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT DIVIDING LINE IS FOR, FOR THAT.
LIKE I KNOW THE HARD SALE PARKING DISTRICT, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DO ALL THE, THEY'RE COMPLETELY, UH, INDEPENDENT LIBRARY.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN COURT, THAT'S SORT OF LIKE TO ME A, A GRAY AREA.
UM, OR THE, UH, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ACCOUNTANT, RIGHT? THEY DO HAVE THEIR OWN ACCOUNTANT, BUT THEY'RE NOT A SEPARATE ENTITY.
THEY'RE THE ACCOUNTANT DOESN'T ANSWER THOUGH TO THE CONTROLLER.
I MEAN SHE IS, THEY'RE DISCUSSING THINGS WELL, THEY'RE DISCUSSING THINGS, BUT THEY'RE NOT, BUT THE CONTROLLER IS NOT DIRECTING HER ON HOW TO, SHE MIGHT BE INSTRUCTING HER BECAUSE SHE CORRECT.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS IS.
AND THEN ALSO LIKE THE WATER DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS UNDER DPW.
SO IS THAT A, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING, I JUST HAVE THESE QUESTIONS.
I I I, I ALSO HAD SOME FOLLOW UP FOR THE COURT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF DELINQUENT, UM, RECEIVABLES.
UM, AND THE COURT, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, OUTSOURCES FINES TO AN OUTSOURCE, UM, AN OUTSIDE SOURCE AND THEN TO A COLLECTION AGENCY AND OBVIOUSLY INADEQUATE.
UM, I'M WONDERING IF, UH, WHAT'S INADEQUATE ABOUT IT? YEAH, OBVIOUSLY WE OWE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OWED MONEY.
UM, SO THE QUESTION THAT I, WE DID DISCUSS THE PROCESS WHEN, WHEN DISCUSSED YEAH, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, BUT I'M, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.
WHY, WHY WE, I'M JUST ASKING, UM, WHETHER WE SHOULD ALSO COMPARE THE DELINQUENCIES OF THE GREENBERG COURT TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE REALLY REVIEWING WHAT THE, THE COURT IS DOING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING IN A PROCESS WITH THE CONTROLLER.
NO, I'M JUST WAIT UNTIL THAT PROCESS IS DONE AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT MAYBE NEXT STEPS.
NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR WITH THE NEITHER THE CONTROLLER OR THE COURT HERE.
WELL, THE CONTROLLER SHOULD HAVE BEEN HERE.
BECAUSE THIS WAS ON THE, SO LET KNOW.
YOU KNOW, THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA.
SHE, PAUL, YOU'RE MISSING A POINT.
SHE WAS ON AND WE HAVE BEEN GOING OVER, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GAVE PAUL HER JOB.
DON'T DON'T, PLEASE DON'T GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT SHE WAS NOT HERE, SHE WAS PRESENT.
WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE MEETING TO DISCUSS THE FORENSIC ORDER.
SO THE NEXT TIME WE SHOULD SCHEDULE NEXT.
WE SHOULD MAKE WEEK, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE IT'S SCHEDULED CORRECTLY.
THEY WERE LATE AND SO WE, WE STARTED LATE AND SHE, SHE HAD TO LEAVE
SHE HAVE TO BE, WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL TO OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS.
WELL, LET ME, I'M GONNA JUST SAY, AND, YOU KNOW, IN OTHER THINGS, SO THIS WAY, AT LEAST PEOPLE, THE COURT AND, UM, AND THE CONTROLLER COULD, COULD REVIEW, YOU KNOW, COULD REVIEW IT.
NO, BUT I'M JUST GIVING YOU, I'M GOING TO SAY WHAT I WANNA SAY.
RIGHT? I, I HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY WHAT I WANNA SAY.
SO BASICALLY I'M GONNA, UH, I'D LIKE TO, UM, SUGGEST WHAT IS THAT? THAT WE CONSIDER HIRING AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT TO, UH, LOOK AT, UH, OVERSEEING THE COLLECTION PROCESSES, YOU KNOW, OF THE COURT, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY COME UP WITH, UM, AN ANALYSIS, UH, AS TO OUR COLLECTION PROCESSES.
AND THEN, UH, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR NEW SYSTEMS THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD, UH, CONSIDER IN BOTH, FOR BOTH THE COURT AND, AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
UM, THAT COULD HELP US AVOID THIS TYPE OF, UM, UH, YOU A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.
UNTIL WE GET THE RESPONSE FROM EACH DEPARTMENT OR ENTITY, WE SHOULD NOT BE, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE.
SO LET THEM HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND AND THEN WE CAN THEN DECIDE WHAT ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN.
THAT'S THE PROCESS OF THIS, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW A PROCESS IS DONE.
AND IF YOU WERE TO BRING SOME OUTSIDE CONSULTANT, WHAT WOULD BE THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THAT CONSULTANT? WELL, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN
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BOARD BASICALLY WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS.UH, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH VARIOUS COLLECTIONS.
THE TOWN ATTORNEY, WE HIRED AN OUTSIDE FIRM THAT IS HELPING US COLLECT THE, UH, THE BACK TAXES.
SO THERE'S PROBABLY, UM, UM, BUT, BUT TO BE FAIR, WE HAD IN-HOUSE COUNSEL WHO I REPLACED WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND THE COSTS ARE BASICALLY EQUALING OUT.
I JUST DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO THINK I KEEP INCREASING COSTS OF MY BUDGET.
I'M SAYING, BUT, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.
YOU THINK WE'RE DOING A GOOD JOB NOW YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE, THE, THE NEW WITH MY OVERSIGHT.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE, BOTH THE TOWN COURT AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT, THEY ALSO, THERE ARE ALSO PROBLEMS THERE.
SO I'M SUGGESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR IT SO WE COULD CORRECT SUPERVISOR.
WHY DON'T WE LET THEM COME BACK WITH THEIR RESPONSES AND HAVE A CON AND THEN WE HAVE A DISCUSS AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHETHER THAT IS NECESSARY.
IF THEY COME BACK WITH PROPER PLANS TO CORRECT, THEN THERE'S NO, THERE ISN'T A NECESS A NECESSITY TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE ENTITY AND PAY MORE MONEY.
ANYTHING ELSE? AND YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? NOPE, I'M GOOD.
QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS? NOPE.
ARE YOU CALLING COPS? NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I I I'M JUST TRYING TO MOVE US ON JUST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK, 'CAUSE WE'RE FREEZING.
WELL, BUT I DID SAY THAT IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR.
BASICALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS RECOMMEND THAT WE APPOINT A COMMITTEE THAT THE TOWN BOARD WOULD APPOINT A COMMITTEE, UH, THAT COULD INCLUDE ANYONE WHO FROM ANY POLITICAL PARTY, UH, THAT PLANS TO RUN FOR TOWN SUPERVISOR.
SO THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A PRIMARY HAPPENING FOR TOWN SUPERVISOR.
SO BOTH BARRY AND MYSELF COULD BE, YOU KNOW, ON THE COMMITTEE, UH, IF THERE'S A REPUBLICAN OR CONSERVATIVE OR ANY OTHER CANDIDATES, WE COULD PUT THAT THEM ON A COMMITTEE AND WE SHOULD BASICALLY SHOULD SAY, LOOKING FORWARD, UM, WOULD THE TOWN BE BETTER OFF, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, IN TERMS OF MA DEALING WITH MANAGERIAL, UM, ISSUES, IF WE HAD A TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, THAT COMMITTEE WOULD REVIEW, UH, THE EXPERIENCES OF THE TOWNS, YOU KNOW, HAVE HAD, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BIG PROBLEM WITH THE STATE LAW AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS, UM, THAT THE TOWN SUPERVISOR, UM, HAS A, YOU KNOW, IS BASICALLY FULL, FULL, FULL-TIME SUPERVISOR, BUT HAS NO EXECUTIVE POWERS.
I CAN'T VETO ANYTHING THAT I DISAGREE.
SO BASICALLY NO, THE, THE DEPARTMENT HAS REPORT TO THE TOWN, UM, UH, THE TOWN BOARD AND UH, AND THERE'S NO ONE.
AND BASICALLY WE HAVE THE LIAISON.
SO THE LIAISONS USUALLY, UH, SPEAK OUT IN FAVOR OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF LITTLE, YOU KNOW, EACH OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN SOME WAYS RUNS THEIR OWN DEPARTMENT AND THERE'S NOBODY WHO, UM, ONE PERSON WHO IS, WHO HAS THE POWER TO, YOU KNOW, TO SAY YOU HAVE TO DO THIS OR YOU CAN'T DO, DO THAT.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT A TOWN ADMINISTRATOR WOULD HAVE MORE EXECUTIVE ABILITIES, THEY WOULD STILL ANSWER TO THE BOARD.
THERE'S A TOWN MANAGER WHICH HAS HIRING AND FIRING POWERS AND WOULD HAVE MORE EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY EVEN WITHOUT PRESENTING ITEMS TO THE BOARD.
A TOWN ADMINISTRATOR? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT A TOWN MANAGER.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M BASICALLY, BECAUSE I DON'T, I'M TIM, THE SUPERVISOR WOULD BECOME PART-TIME.
YES, WE WOULD CHANGE THE, IF THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED, WELL, I PROPOSED THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY, I, I HAD PROPOSED THAT TO YOU FIVE YEARS AGO AND YOU SAID NO YOU WOULDN'T.
WE'VE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S BEEN DISAGREEMENTS, THERE'S BEEN BICKERING.
YOU KNOW, NOBODY, THIS IS NOT ENTERTAINMENT FOR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN GOVERNMENT.
THIS IS BASICALLY WE HAVE TO GET THE JOB DONE AND THEY, AND IF WE COULD HAVE, IF THERE'S A TOWN MANAGER, UM, WHO BASICALLY WOULD HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE AUTHORITY AND IF IT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE POSITION OF TOWN SUPERVISOR, UM, REDUCE SALARIES OR POSSIBLY REDUCE SALARIES OF THE TOWN BOARD OR GET RID OF THE, THE TOWN BOARD IS ALREADY, SORRY.
THE TOWN COUNCIL IS ALREADY PART-TIME AND MAKES A QUARTER OF OR LESS THAN A QUARTER OF WHAT THE SUPERVISOR MAKES, WHICH IS A FULL-TIME POSITION.
AND IF, AND IF WE WERE, AND, BUT YOU'RE GETTING THE HEALTHCARE BENEFIT, WHAT'S YOUR SALARY AS A TOWN BOARD MEMBER? PAUL, DO YOU HAVE, I ASK WHAT'S THE SALARY? 39 YOU SAID? 39.
AND WHAT DO YOU GET FOR THE HEALTHCARE BOSS? DO YOU UNDERSTAND? IF WE TOOK OUR HEALTHCARE, DO YOU UNDERSTAND IF WE TOOK OUT HEALTHCARE
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COST THE TOWN MORE? I DON'T ANYONE UNDER, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S SEEN THAT.YOU LOVE THESE RED HERING, IT COSTS MORE.
NO, IT WOULD COST MORE IF WE TOOK OUT THE INSURANCE.
IT WOULD COST MORE ABOVE THESE RED HERRINGS.
WHAT? WELL YOU, BECAUSE YOU'RE COSTING, YOU'RE TALKING COSTING, YOU'RE COSTING THE TAXPAYERS $20,000 MORE IN HEALTH COVERAGE THAN YOU NEED TO BECAUSE YOU DON'T TAKE THE BUYOUT YET.
YOU HAVE GOVERNMENT INSURANCE THAT FROM YOUR SPOUSE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
YOU COULD TAKE THE BUYOUT AND SAVE GREENBERG TAXPAYERS $20,000, BUT YOU CHOOSE NOT TO.
DO YOU THINK A TOWN MANAGER IS WHAT'S NECESSARY NOW? I THINK A TOWN MANAGER WOULD HELP, WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL EVEN IF THE SALARY OF THE TOWN SUPERVISOR WOULD BE REDUCED.
AND I FEEL THAT, I FEEL THAT THIS SHOULD BE BECAUSE I, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT WE NEED TO, TO MAKE THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THIS NOT FOR ME, I'M LOOKING AT THIS LONG TERM HEALTH FOR THE TOWN.
AND I FEEL THAT THE PROBLEM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FORENSIC REPORT, UM, THERE ARE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY IS HAPPY WITH.
YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE TOWN IS WELL IS RUN, UH, CORRECTLY.
THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING ALL THE MANAGERIAL ISSUES THAT THE REPORT HAS HAD THAT WE BASICALLY DON'T HAVE THESE MANAGERIAL, YOU KNOW, UH, PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE.
UH, THE TOWN MANAGER AS FAR AS I KNOW, WOULD ALSO BE DOING, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NEGOTIATIONS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET THE RIGHT PERSON.
THE NEGOTIATIONS OF UNION CONTRACTS, WE'VE SPENT A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON, ON LEGAL FEES.
SO JUST IF YOU HAD A THE RIGHT PERSON, WE COULD SAVE THE MONEY JUST ON LABOR NEGOTIATIONS.
WELL, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL ACCOUNTS.
NO, YOU WOULDN'T NEED LE WE, WE DID IT WITHOUT UH, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, LEGAL.
WELL, CAN, CAN, LET ME ASK, YOU VOTED FOR, DIDN'T YOU VOTE FOR THE CONTRACTS? THAT WAS, BUT IT WAS NEGOTIATED BY, BY A STAFF MEMBER BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO SAVE MONEY AND ONCE YOU GET DOWN THE LINE, YOU CAN'T TAKE THINGS BACK.
I ULTIMATELY HAD TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE TO THE CONTROLLER'S OFFICE.
BUT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU AS THE SUPERVISOR IS YOU'RE, AND ALL THESE THINGS HAPPENED UNDER YOUR WATCH, IS THAT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T BELIEVE, WELL, I CAN EXPLAIN MY WATCH.
AND BY THE WAY, IF YOU EVER TRIED TO EMBARRASS MY DAUGHTER AT A MEETING, SHAME ON YOU PAUL.
YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE PICKING UP VOTES BY PICKING ON MY DAUGHTER, YOU LOST, YOU LOST I THINK EVERYBODY THAT WAS AT THAT MEETING.
I BASICALLY, ALL I SAID IS YOU'RE THE, IF YOU CAN'T DO THE JOB, SAY, SO WHY DON'T YOU, IF YOU THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A TOWN MANAGER, IF YOU THINK WE NEED A TOWN MANAGER IN ORDER TO AVOID THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THAT FORENSIC AUDIT.
I THINK WE JUST NEED SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA DO THE JOB AND WORK WITH THE STAFF, RESPECT THE STAFF, AND THEY WILL THEN GET THE RESPECT BACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A $250,000 MANAGER AND, AND IF WE WERE, IF WE WERE, EXCUSE ME, JUST ONE.
IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE, YOU KNOW, THEN THE A A PART-TIME SUPERVISOR SALARY IS ABOUT $50,000.
SO YOU'D BE WILLING TO MAKE, MAKE THAT SACRIFICE.
UM, AND THERE'S ANOTHER, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT I DID PROPOSE THAT TO YOU FIVE YEARS AGO.
I SAID IT A COUPLE OF TIMES AND WHEN I MENTIONED THE SALARY, THAT WE WOULD BE PAYING A MANAGER OR AN ADMINISTRATOR, UM, AND THAT THE SUPERVISOR SALARY WOULD HAVE TO BE REDUCED, BUT IT WOULD FREE YOU UP TO BE, TO ENGAGE THE WAY YOU LIKE TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO NOW YOU'VE HAD A CHANGE OF HEART, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID THAT I FOUND A LITTLE BIT DISTURBING AND THAT WAS, YOU SAID, I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE, THEREFORE I WOULD LIKE, I WANT A TOWN MANAGER OR ADMINISTRATOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT POWER AND THAT, IT JUST SOUNDED LIKE A THREAT TO ME, WHICH IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU DID WITH FRANCIS' DAUGHTER, BUT IT SOUNDED LIKE A THREAT THAT I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO HIRE AND FIRE AS I, AS I WILLFULLY WANT TO DO WITHOUT CON CONSULTATION WITH THE TOWN COUNCIL.
AND THAT TO ME SOUNDED RATHER OMINOUS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN THAT CAN HIRE AND FIRE WHAT AT YOUR PROMPTING? I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
COULD I JUST ASK, 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO HIRE OR FIRE.
COULD YOU TELL US, ARE THERE PEOPLE DON'T GIVE US NAMES IN PUBLIC, BUT
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ARE THERE PEOPLE THAT YOU WOULD'VE FIRED THAT WOULD'VE PREVENTED WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT FORENSIC AUDIT? ARE THERE PEOPLE, LET LET, THAT'S A SIMPLE QUESTION.THE MAYORS OF THE MAYORS, GOVERNORS, PRESIDENTS, THEY HAVE EXECUTIVE POWERS.
THE STRUCTURE OF NEW YORK STATE GOVERNMENT IS THAT THE TOWN SUPERVISORS OF ALL TOWNS IN NEW YORK STATE DO NOT HAVE THE THE EXECUTIVE POWERS THAT OTHER YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I, I WANNA ANSWER.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT IF IT WAS UP TO ME, I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE STATE LAW CHANGED.
SO THE TOWN SUPERVISOR, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO DEFLECT AND COME UP WITH ANOTHER IDEA.
JUST SIMPLY ASKING, ASKING YOU SAID QUESTIONS.
I'M SAYING IS THERE SOMEBODY YOU WOULD'VE FIRED? I'M NOT THAT WOULD'VE PREVENTED THE FORENSIC AUDIT BECAUSE YOU'RE THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, SIR.
THINK THAT IF THEY, I THINK THAT I THINK THE, IS THERE SOMEBODY JUST ONE PER, IS THERE ANY ONE PERSON I DON'T TALK ABOUT? SO THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING YOU CAN'T HIRE A FIRE? I'M SAYING THAT THE, THE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THAT ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, THEY KNOW WHERE THE THREE VOTES ARE.
SO THE THING IS, IF I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING, IF I THINK SOMETHING, UH, IF THE TOWN WOULD BE RUN BETTER, UH, DOING THIS OR DOING THAT AND THEY DON'T FEEL I HAVE THREE VOTES ON IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN.
SO I'M SAYING WHAT I SO WOULD THEY BE THE ONES YOU FIRE FIRED? WHO IS IT? BECAUSE YOU SAY THIS, YOU CAN'T HIRE, YOU CAN'T FIRE.
WHO WOULD YOU HAVE FIRED THAT WOULD'VE PREVENTED THIS? YOU MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THE STAFF OR THE REASON WHY THIS IS THE PROBLEM AS OPPOSED TO OVERSIGHT? NO, LET ME SAY IS THE PROBLEM NOT HAVING OVERSIGHT IS THE PROBLEM.
I BELIEVE THAT IF WE HAD A TOWN MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, UH, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THERE WOULD BE, UM, I I BELIEVE THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WOULD NOT BE OPERATING, YOU KNOW, UH, IIII BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD SAVE MONEY AND I THINK THE TOWN WOULD BE RUN MORE EFFICIENTLY, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT I WOULD FIRE OR HIRE OR, OR DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
BUT, BUT ALL I'M SAYING IS GOING FORWARD, I THINK IT WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE TOWN.
AND I'VE, AND YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT, OH, THE OPERATIONS, UH, DIRECTOR, I, I'VE, I'VE BROUGHT THAT UP FOR THREE OR FOUR YEARS, HADN'T GOT, GOT NOWHERE ON THAT.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU WERE A SALARY.
I'M SAYING HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS NOT GONNA, BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO DO $150,000 FOR THIS PER THIS PERSON WHO WOULD ANSWER ONLY TO YOU? NO.
AND THEN I SAID, AND THEN YOU RAISED IT TO 1 75 AND WOULD ANSWER ONLY TO YOU NO BOARD.
THE THING THAT IS IN MY MIND IS IF YOU HAVE AN OPERATIONS DIRECTOR OR WHOEVER THAT ANSWERS TO YOU, YOU COULD IGNORE THAT PERSON.
JUST LIKE YOU IGNORE THE CONTROLLER.
AND SO ANY, ANY, ANY PERSON THAT YOU WANT TO BRING IN, IF THE ULTIMATE CALL IS, IS YOURS, UM, IS NOT GONNA BE EFFECTIVE.
BECAUSE I'VE SEEN HOW YOU TRADED OUR CONTROLLER AND YOU COULD SEE THIS CONTROLLER IS, IS REALLY GOOD AT HER JOB.
'CAUSE SHE'S BRINGING TO LIGHT MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND SHE'S ONLY BEEN ON THE JOB, WHAT, TWO YEARS? WELL, ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT
AND IF AFTER THE COMMITTEE MAKES THEIR REPORT, UM, THAT AND THE BOARD DISAGREES, YOU COULD SAY WE DON'T LIKE, WE DON'T LIKE IT.
WE THINK THE CURRENT SYSTEM MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, I FEEL THE TOWN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, TOWN IS WELL RUN.
PEOPLE ARE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SERVICES.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE'S VERY HIGH LEVEL OF SATISFACTION WITH, UM, MOST ASPECTS OF THE TOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE DID, UH, THE FORENSIC AUDIT, UH, GAVE US A ROADMAP OF THINGS THAT, UM, UH, WE COULD IMPROVE ON.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IF YOU KNOW PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S A, IF YOU'RE A PROFESSOR, YOU KNOW, AND SO THE MAJORITY OF, UH, DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS PEOPLE ARE HAPPY WITH THE, WE HAVE GOOD STAFF, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY HARDWORKING.
UH, WE HAVE VERY DEDICATED, UM, EMPLOYEES.
THEY, WE HAVE, THE THE POLICIES THE BOARD HAS MADE BY AND LARGE ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE AND WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED AN AWFUL LOT.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S ALWAYS
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ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT AND THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM TO, UM, UH, REINVENT OURSELVES AND DO THINGS BETTER.SO ALL I'M SAYING IS, UM, WE GOT THE REPORT, THEY CAME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.
NOW IT'S OUR JOB TO SHOW THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE LISTENING AND WE'RE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.
AND, UM, AND WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP MAKING MISTAKES.
UH, OR WE DON'T WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO KEEP LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE THE TOWN BETTER.
AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, IF YOU DON'T WANT THE COMMITTEE, THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE A SUGGESTION BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT POLITICS INTO THIS BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED BARRY MCG.
NO, BECAUSE I THINK I, I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH HIM.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT FOR BOTH SPOKE FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW.
LET SPEAK, I DID NOT INTERRUPT YOU ONCE YOU BROUGHT POLITICS INTO THIS BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED BARRY MAGO WHO'S RUNNING FOR TOWN SUPERVISOR AND YOU ARE RUNNING FOR TOWN SUPERVISOR.
WHY DON'T YOU EACH INDIVIDUALLY, SEPARATELY FORM WHATEVER COMMITTEES YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN HAVE AN EFFECTIVE TOWN GOVERNMENT TO AVOID WHAT WE SAW IN THAT FORENSIC AUDIT.
NOW, IF YOU THINK IT'S BETTER FOR YOU TO GO INTO A MORE DIMINISHED ROLE AND HAVE A TOWN MANAGER, FINE, BUT YOU COME UP WITH WHATEVER YOU THINK IT IS AND YOU KNOW, THE VOTERS WILL FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE DECIDE WHICH ONE DO THEY THINK IS A BETTER FORM OF GOVERNMENT.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD DICTATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT COULD BE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT'S IN THE POSITION SAYS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT.
YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO, YOU KNOW, PUT MY FEET ON THE GROUND AND, AND REALLY, REALLY WORK HARD AND, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THE, I I'LL RESPECT THE TOWN EMPLOYEES, I'LL RESPECT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, THEN I'LL GAIN RESPECT AND THEY'LL WORK TOGETHER.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
WELL, YOU DO HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THOUGH FOR INTRODUCING.
THAT WOULD GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UH, FOR, UH, THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.