* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] RECORDING IN PROGRESS. [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 https://greenburghny.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings ] UM, HI EVERYBODY. UH, TODAY'S OUR TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION. IT'S A LITTLE, UM, AFTER, UH, FIVE 30, UM, 11 MINUTES LATER. UM, AND, UH, THE FIRST PROJECT, UH, WE'RE, THIS IS THE WORK SESSION OF THE TOWN BOARD FEBRUARY 10TH. UM, AND THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS, UM, THE ROOF PROJECT CAPITAL BUDGET, UM, WITH CHRISTINA, LINDA RYAN. HI. HI. I ALSO HAVE WITH ME ALLISON SHERWIN. SHE IS, WAIT TIL YOU'RE SEAT. SEE INTO THE MICS TURNING ON MY WITNESS. I ALSO HAVE WITH ME INTRODUCE YOURSELF. I AM CHRISTINA RYAN LINDER , AND I'M THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR. THANK YOU FOR SEEING ME THIS EVENING. I DO HAVE WITH ME ALSO THE BOARD, THE NEW BOARD PRESIDENT. THIS IS ALISON SHERWIN, AND SHE'S HERE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HEAR, TALK ABOUT THE ROOF PROJECT AT THE LIBRARY. UM, WE, I KNOW THE CAPITAL BUDGET. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS, BUT WE ARE, UH, WE HAVE A QUOTE FOR THE LIBRARY ROOF HITS 1,400,000 AND CHANGE. AND, UM, RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY ON THE CAPITAL BUDGET, YOU HAVE ALL THE ROOFING PROJECTS TOGETHER UNDER ONE HAT. UM, I'M REQUESTING THAT, THAT, THAT OUR PORTION BE SEPARATED OUT. AND THE REASON WHY IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO FOR A NEW YORK STATE CONSTRUCTION AID GRANT. AND WHEN I GO FOR THAT GRANT, I HAVE TO SHOW THE MONEY BEING APPROPRIATED IN THE RIGHT SPOT FOR THIS PROJECT. MEANING THAT IT CAN'T JUST BE IN A COMBINED CAPITAL ACCOUNT, IT HAS TO ACTUALLY SAY LIBRARY CAPITAL ACCOUNT. BUT I'M ALSO HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT I AM IN DISCUSSION WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD TO USE A PORTION OF THE FUND BALANCE TO HELP SUPPORT THIS PROJECT ON TOP OF THAT. SO YOU CAN STILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT LEFT FOR THE OTHER ROOFING PROJECTS THAT YOU NEED, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS YET. SO I GUESS I'M HERE TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT AND NEGOTIATE THAT WITH YOU GUYS AND SOME OF YOUR CONVERSATION. SHE'S, SHE'S GETTING ON OUT AND HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMPTROLLER? YES. JUST ABOUT THE PROCESS. OKAY. I BELIEVE SHE'S JOINING NOW, AND SHE HASN'T JOINED ALREADY. I ALSO HAVE NUMBERS FOR YOU. DO YOU KNOW IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET THAT WE ADOPTED, HOW MUCH OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THE ROOF? IT, IT, IT, FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT, IT WAS 2 MILLION, I THINK. THINK 2.5. 2.5 MILLION. YEAH. ALTOGETHER. SO WAS IT ASSUMED THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE 1 MILLION PLUS? I, I AM NOT ASSUMING I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUOTE, BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT, WHEN IS THAT QUOTE DATED? IT WAS, IT'S RECENT. OH, SO IT'S BEFORE THE BUDGET OR AFTER THE BUDGET AMOUNT? I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE, BUT IT WAS LAST YEAR. I'M LOOKING FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. OH, I'M LOOKING FOR IT RIGHT NOW. OH, THE VOICE FROM HEAVENS . UH, WE HAVE ON, WE HAVE ONLINE, UH, OUR COMPTROLLER, KIMBERLY. GOOD ONE. UM, OKAY, SO WE NEED TO WAIT FOR IT. WE NEED TO WAIT FOR, I KNOW THE TOTAL BUDGET. I ASKED ABOUT THAT THIS AFTERNOON. I KNOW THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE CAPITAL ROOFING PROJECTS WAS 2.5. SO I'LL JUST BE CURIOUS TO SEE. SO YOU, BUT YOU, I DON'T WANNA SPOIL YOUR PRESENTATION. WELL, WE, WE DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE, THE BUDGET PROCESS, I THINK, UH, THE NEED TO, UH, REPLACE THE ROOF. RIGHT. BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ROOFS. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WAS THE ESTIMATE? RIGHT? THERE'S A COUPLE OF ROOFS THAT HE'S PUT IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET. CORRECT. AND THE OTHER PIECE OF IT WAS, WAS THERE WAS, THE IDEA IS THAT IF WE, IF YOU HAD IT ALL TOGETHER IN ONE THAT YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, TAKE, TAKE WHATEVER'S LEFT AND MOVE IT TO THE OTHER PROJECTS. BUT LIKE I SAID, THIS PROJECT WILL, I'LL NEED TO SEPARATE THAT OUT, WHATEVER THE AMOUNT IS IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE ORDER, IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE AMOUNT. CAN I, CAN I JUST ASK SOMETHING? JUST, I WAS JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED. SO BASICALLY THE COST OF THE ROOF IS 1.4 MILLION MM-HMM . SO YOU'RE GONNA BE APPLYING FOR A GRANT FROM THE STATE. CORRECT. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHY ARE YOU, IT'S, WHY WOULD YOU THINK WHY'S TWO TO 300,000 BUCKS? OKAY, SO THEN IT'S DOWN TO 1.2 MILLION POSSIBLY, OR ONE POINT. I'D SAY 1.1. OKAY. UM, AND THEN YOU SAID THE FUND BALANCE, YOU WOULD BE USING SOME OF THAT, THE LIBRARY, SOME THAT'S, YEAH, THE LIBRARY IS FUND BALANCE. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, SO HOW MUCH OF THAT, WELL, THAT'S THE NEGOTIATION THAT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT. WHAT'S LIKE THE, LIKE THE RANGE THAT YOU, BECAUSE I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THAT IF YOU SAID, OH, IF YOU GIVE US LIKE A NUMBER THAT YOU SAID YOU, YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, THEN WE COULD ALWAYS, UM, UH, SAY THIS IS LIKE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE, YOU KNOW, AMOUNT. RIGHT. AND THEN, UH, SO LET'S SAY YOU SAY, WE'LL GIVE, I'M JUST THROWING OUT A NUMBER, NOT THAT IT'S THE NUMBER'S ACCURATE, BUT SAY YOU SAY 900, THEN 200,000, THEN, THEN WE COULD SAY, WE'RE ALLOCATING 900, THEN WE'RE GONNA PUT 900,000 IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND WE [00:05:01] FIGURE THE RE YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROBABLY GET THE REST FROM SOMEBODY ELSE. WELL, WE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS TO BE THE ONES TO SAY HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA SAY. YEAH. IT'S NOT, IT, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING IT WILL MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, THIS WAY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH ALL THE OTHER CAPITAL BUDGETS, WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE REALLY, BUT IT DOES HAVE TO GO INTO AN L ACCOUNT. IT HAS TO GO INTO AN ACCOUNT THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE LIBRARY, NOT IN THAT JOINT ACCOUNT. SO MEANING THAT WE TAKE A PORTION OF THAT OUT AND THE LIBRARY THEN COMES UP WITH A FUND BALANCE THE REST OF THAT, UM, THE REASON WHY I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ANSWER FOR YOU IS THAT I DID BROACH THIS WITH THE LIBRARY BOARD, UH, IN JANUARY'S MEETING. AND I, WE KIND OF HAD HALF FOUR, LIKE HALF, FOUR, HALF AGAINST ON SOME, SOME, BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE ONE MORE CONVERSATION, HALF MEANING THAT THE LIBRARY, THAT THE, THE TOWN SHOULD BE COVERING THIS AMOUNT. THIS IS A TOWN BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO I THINK THAT THE LIBRARY FUND BALANCE PORTION OF IT SHOULD BE USED FOR THIS PROJECT. OKAY. SO, BUT WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS YET, I'M NOT SURE. SO I'M COMING TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL AND HOW I CAN STILL SET UP THAT L ACCOUNT, EVEN IF IT ONLY HAS $200,000 AND IT, IT'S STILL HAS TO STATE THAT IT'S A LIBRARY CAPITAL ACCOUNT. UNDERSTOOD. JUST, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I, AND I'M WASN'T SURE IN, IN, AND WHAT PAUL WAS SAYING IF HE ASKED THE QUESTION, UM, IN TERMS OF BUDGETING, WHAT NUMBER DID YOU SUBMIT FOR THE BUDGET FOR THE ROOF INITIALLY FOR THE BUDGET, WHICH THEN 1 4, 1 0.4 IS WHAT YOU SUBMITTED WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE BUDGET. CORRECT. WITH THE D DP. BUT W KNOWS ALL OF THIS INFORMATION. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE MM-HMM . YES. EVERYONE ELSE WAS AWARE THIS, THIS AMOUNT WAS KNOWN WHEN WE DID THAT GROUP. RIGHT. UH, RIGHT. THAT'S, I WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION. SO I HAVE A TOTAL FOR ALL THE ROOFS THAT CAME FROM DPW OF 2.8, WHICH WAS IN THE BUDGET FOR THE LIBRARY, DPW WATER IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO SHOULD WE GET, DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS THOUGHT TO BE FOR THE LIBRARY? UH, I'M LOOKING FOR THAT. UM, I ONLY GOT AN A, UH, LUMP SUM FROM DPW, BUT I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING ITEMIZED OUT. DO WE NEED TO HAVE, I KNOW. QUESTION. WHAT DID YOU, DO YOU THINK MAYBE WE COULD ASK BRIDGE 0.8 IS, DID WE ESTIMATE TO BE FOR THE LIBRARY? WHAT'S THE CHANCE OF GETTING THE STATE GRANT? HE JUST, HE JUST, NO, VERY GOOD. BUT IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE A LOT. I MEAN, IT HAS TO GET SHARED WITHOUT BETWEEN 38 OTHER LIBRARIES. RIGHT? SO THE THING IS, IF WE, WHEN WE'RE FIGURING OUT THE AMOUNT, IF WE SAY, OKAY, IT'S GONNA BE TWO, IF WE ASSUME IT'S LIKE 200,000, IS THAT BEING LIKE JUMPING THE GUN? I MEAN, ARE WE BASICALLY, OH, WHY, WHY DON'T WE, IS IT PREMATURE OR DO YOU THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S PROBABLE, IT'S MOST PROBABLE. I, I HAD A CONVERSATION, BUT HAVING, HAVING, HAVING OUR DUCKS IN A ROW, MEANING THAT, THAT THE, THE MONEY HAS TO BE ALLOCATED SPECIFICALLY FROM THE TOWN IN THAT LIBRARY ACCOUNT. AND THEN THE LIBRARY FUND BALANCE, OF COURSE, CAN COVER THAT PORTION, WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS GONNA BE. UM, BUT WE CAN HELP SUPPORT THAT. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT 200, 300,000 FROM THE GRANT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MAYBE ANOTHER 400, 500,000 FROM THE LIBRARY FUND BALANCE. MM-HMM . YOU HAVE THE, THAT MEANS THAT THE, THE PART OF THE $2,800,000 THAT YOU HAVE, THAT THAT AMOUNT NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO THE LIBRARY ACCOUNT. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. I MEAN, THE LIBRARY, WE, WE DON'T WANT THE BOOKS TO GET ALL, UH, ALL SOAKED, YOU KNOW, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT LIBRARY, AND THE LIBRARY DOES A GREAT JOB. SO I THINK THIS IS LIKE ESSENTIAL. UH, LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. IN TERMS OF SOLAR, UM, BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA BE DOING ROOFING, WOULDN'T THIS BE THE TIME TO EXPLORE SOLAR? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I'M TALKING WITH, UM, GARRETT, WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT THAT WOULD BE ON TOP OF THE 1.4 MILLION. SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL COST AFTER THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM . BUT THEN IT COULD, IT COULD, IT COULD POSSIBLY SAVE. AND THE OTHER, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, SORRY, IF IT'S A RUN ON SENTENCE, UM, IS, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIBRARY IS RELATIVELY NEW. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M AGGRAVATED OVER IS, YOU KNOW, WE DID A CONSTRUCTION ROOF START LEAKING ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. UH, ARE THERE ANY ASSURANCES THAT WHEN WE DO THE ROOF NOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE GUARANTEES THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TWO YEARS WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LEAKS AGAIN? WELL, THAT'S WITH ANY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, YOU HAVE A, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU DO HAVE THAT, THAT, UH, LOOK BACK TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. WELL, WHAT'S THE WARRANTY ON THE ROOF? I'M NOT SURE. I MEAN, KIND OF, THIS IS A VERY, VERY, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROPOSAL. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A WARRANTY UNTIL WE HAVE AN ACTUAL RFP AND AN ACTUAL BID. RIGHT. WOULD YOU FIND OUT, UM, [00:10:01] OF ONCE WE GET THE BIDDERS EVEN YOU CAN GIVE US A, A SENSE OF IT, BUT FOR SURE IT DEPENDS ON WHO IT'S AWARDED TO. AND THAT, AND THAT INFORMATION WILL BE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN ON PAST THAT AT THIS POINT, I'M, I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS A VALID BID FOR WHAT? THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. IT, IT, IT WORK, IT, IT SHOWS WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE AND THE WAY IT NEEDS TO GET DONE. NOT INCLUDING THE SOLAR. BUT I GUESS I'M, LIKE I SAID, I'M HERE TODAY TO STATE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THERE'S AN AMOUNT THAT THE LIBRARY SAYS THE FUND BALANCE WILL, WILL DO OUR LI PORTION. I DO NEED A SEPARATE ACCOUNT. IS THAT POSSIBLE? I I THINK WE SHOULD, I DID FIND THE EMAIL. I THINK WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD. THERE OTHER BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO SAY WE DON'T WANT THE BOOKS TO GET WET, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT THE POLICE OFFICERS TO GET WET UNDER THEIR ROOF OR THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. WHERE DO YOU GET MOST OF YOUR FUNDS FROM? IS IT FROM THE TOWN? WELL, A HUNDRED PERCENT IS THE ALLOCATION FROM, SO YOU APPROPRIATION. SO IF A FUND BALANCE IN THE LIBRARY FUND BALANCE, THAT'S FROM THE TOWN. I AGREE. SO WHEN SOMEONE ON YOUR BOARD SAY, WE SHOULDN'T USE OUR FUND BALANCE, I AGREE. IT WAS A FUND BALANCE THAT YOU GOT FROM THE TOWN. I AGREE. I AGREE. AND I, I HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR AND I, I WILL, I WILL GET THE BOARD TO MAKE, BUT WE WILL ALSO NOT FALL BEYOND, BELOW A CERTAIN AMOUNT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FUND BALANCE. MM-HMM . IT, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY THE PROPER FUND BALANCE THAT WE HAVE REMAINING. AND THEN FOR ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN LED LIGHTING PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, THE HVAC STILL IS NOT REPAIRED YET. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT STILL NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. SO THESE, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING A HEALTHY FUND BALANCE WHILE ALSO SUPPORTING THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE WITH THIS ROOF. MM-HMM . AND THE REASON WHY I AM VERY ADAMANT ABOUT GOING IS THAT I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT MONEY FROM THE STATE'S GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. MM-HMM . I KNOW THIS YEAR WE ARE GOING TO GET WELL IN THE BUDGET IT WAS $34 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION AID FOR ALL OF NEW YORK STATE. MM-HMM . THAT'S 700 SOME ODD LIBRARIES IN NEW YORK STATE. SO THAT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TRIES, HAS, GETS A LITTLE PIECE OF THE PIE IF THEY CAN. SO ULTIMATELY, I DON'T WANNA RISK NOT HAVING ANYTHING NEXT YEAR, JUST IN CASE THOSE GRANTS DRY UP. SO WHEN, EXCUSE ME, UM, WHEN THE LIBRARY WAS CONSTRUCTED ORIGINALLY, AND THEN THERE WERE, THEN THERE WERE LEAKS IN THE ROOF. SO HOW WAS THE WARRANTY ADDRESSED THEN? THEY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY DID NOT, UH, GIVE US A REFUND. I, I, I HAD EXPRESSED A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE LIBRARY DURING THE, THE, WHEN THEY HAD CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, I I, SO WE NEED A GOOD WARRANTY CLAUSE. I, I THOUGHT THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD A CONSTRUCT, A PROJECT MANAGER. THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT. I, I THOUGHT DESIGN WASN'T GREAT, WAS AN RRP. UM, YOU KNOW, SO I HAD, I HAD PROBLEMS WITH THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED THE TOWN TO SUE THE ARCHITECT AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY BASICALLY SAID, THE BOARD BASICALLY AT THAT TIME SAID NO, WELL, WE'VE INHERITED, I'VE INHERITED THIS BUILDING AT THIS POINT, SO I'M NOT LOOKING BACK. I'M ONLY GOING FOR TOWN. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. IT WASN'T THE BOARD. THE TOWN ATTORNEY ADVISED US WE DIDN'T HAVE MUCH HOPE AND SUCCESS. MM-HMM . WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE LIBRARY IS THAT THERE WAS A BETTER QUALITY ROOF PROPOSED FOR THE LIBRARY, BUT THEN WE HAD A REFERENDUM TO A FIXED DOLLAR AMOUNT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND AS YOU REMEMBER, IT WAS VALUE ENGINEERED. IT WAS VALUE ENGINEERED, WHICH IS A NICE WAY OF, YOU CUT THE GUTS OUT OF IT. MM-HMM. RIGHT? SO YOU TO SAVE MONEY. SO THE ROOF, I THINK WENT DOWN TO MAYBE A 10 YEAR ROOF. NOBODY BILLS ANYTHING WITH A 10 YEAR ROOF. MM-HMM. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THERE'S ONLY A 10 YEAR ROOF ON THAT. AND HOW OLD IS THE ROOF NOW? WELL, I THINK WE OPENED IN 2009. SO HERE WE ARE. MM-HMM . UM, SO I MEAN, THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, THE ROOF IS JUST, IT NEEDS TO GET DONE. AND AT THIS POINT TOO, INSURANCE WISE, IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY INSURED PROPERLY AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN SAY AT THIS POINT. I'M JUST GONNA, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY STATE HOPEFULLY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, SEPARATE THAT LINE OUT JUST FOR THE AMOUNT. LET ME ASK, UH, A QUESTION I THINK WAS GARY. HE WAS HERE BEFORE, BUT, UH, I JUST SORT OF FORGOT HE STEPPED OUT. IF WE BASICALLY, UM, UH, DID THE SOLAR, THERE'S TWO OPTIONS. YOU COULD DO SOLAR AND OWN THE ROOF, OR YOU COULD LEASE IT. AND MANY TIMES IF YOU LEASE SOLAR PANELS, THE TOWN WOULD GET SOME, YOU KNOW, REVENUE, YOU KNOW, SOME REVENUE AS WELL. SO I'M SORT OF WONDERING, AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAID, OH, SOLAR COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST, PERHAPS, WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT SOLAR AND LEASING IT SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COST, AND THE TOWN WOULD GET SOME REVENUE. UM, EACH WELL, THERE, THERE WILL BE. IT, IT, IT SOMEHOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S A STAGGERED AMOUNT. LIKE YOU PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THEN IT, AFTER ABOUT 15 YEARS, IT FLIPS BACK AND IT STARTS PAYING YOU BACK. RIGHT. BUT I, BUT IT HAS TO YES, BUT IT HAS, BUT, BUT IT IS LIKE A, LIKE A 30 YEAR AND, AND IF THE LIBRARY REMAINS A LIBRARY BUILDING, WHICH I THINK IT WILL REMAIN A LIBRARY BUILDING, THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO GO. BUT, BUT THERE WILL BE COSTS [00:15:01] UPFRONT MM-HMM . AND THEN YOU'LL START TO SEE THOSE RETURNS LIKE 15 YEARS FROM NOW WHERE YOU'LL START TO SEE, UM, THAT PAYBACK. BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE ENOUGH ROOF SPACE THAT THERE COULD BE, YOU'RE RIGHT, THE LEASING AND ALSO STORING IN SOME WAY THAT IT'S USED ON THE GRID OR IT GIVES BACK TO THE GRID OR WHATEVER THAT IS, IT DOESN'T COST THAT. RIGHT. AND, AND THE COMPANIES WOULD DO IT, ADDING THE COST TO THE TOWN. SO WE COULD DO, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT OPTION AS, SO THIS WAY WE'RE NOT INCREASING THE TAXES MORE THAN WE HAVE TO. I CERTAINLY LOVE THAT IDEA. BUT RIGHT NOW, LIKE I SAID, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE HERE, THAT THERE'S A SEPARATE LINE ITEM FOR THAT, WHERE THERE'S STILL MONEY LEFT OVER. I THINK WITH THE, WITH THE LIBRARY SUPPORTING THIS FROM THE FUND MOUNTS, GETTING THE GRANT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT A SMALLER BITE, UM, OUT OF YOUR 2.28, 2,000,800, 2.5. RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. MM-HMM . SO ARE WE READY? MOVE, SO I CAN MOVE THE 1.4 MILLION THAT YOU REQUESTED INTO ITS OWN LINE ITEM? I, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THAT MUCH. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, UM, TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PROPER NUMBER TO MOVE IT INTO ITS OWN LINE, LINE ITEM. RIGHT. WELL, WE NEED, WE NEED, I'M SORRY, BUT WE, I'VE ASKED IT THREE TIMES. WE NEED A BREAKDOWN AS TO WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THE 2.8 NUMBER MM-HMM . HOW MUCH OF THAT DID WE ESTIMATE FOR THE LIBRARY? I THINK WE NEED TO ASK RICH THAT. SO, SO WE NEED, WE NEED IT'S 1.4. OKAY. BUT 1.4 IS WHAT THE ASK IS. BUT, BUT THE WHOLE TOTAL BALANCE WAS 2.5. IT WAS EXPECTED THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY, YOU WOULD ASK FOR A MILLION, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A GRANT. SO WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE YOU 600,000. WE ALSO HAVE TO BE REMINDED THAT WE HAVE THE TDYC ROOF THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WHICH THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA COST US PROBABLY ABOUT MAYBE SIX TO 800,000, A LITTLE LESS THAN A MILLION. AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS LIKE THE JURY BURN CENTER THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AS WELL. SO HOW ALL THAT'S GONNA BE DIVVY UP UNDER THAT 2.5 IS WHAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. SO THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT, AND, AND YOU PROBABLY HEARD THE TOWN HAS A FUN BALANCE PROBLEM, SO WE GOTTA BE VERY CAREFUL. YES. THAT'S WHAT, UM, WHICH IS WHY I, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE LIBRARY DOES, YOU KNOW, CONTRIBUTE IN THAT WAY. MM-HMM . BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA FALL BELOW OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR BALANCE, A BALANCE EITHER TO, TO MAKE THAT UP FOR THAT , NOR NOR CAN WE. OKAY. YEAH, I GET THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE LIVE OFF, BUT, SO WE NEED TO HEAR THE BREAKDOWN FROM COMMISSIONER FA AND FROM YOU MADE THE REQUEST YOU MADE. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT. MM-HMM . AND, UM, WE'RE GOOD. AND WE'LL MORE DISCUSSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO COMPLIMENT YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THE LIBRARY, EVERY TIME I GO THERE, I'M LIKE AMAZED AT ALL THE PROGRAMS AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB AND I THINK YOU HAVE A REALLY FANTASTIC BOARD. AND YOU KNOW, I REALLY CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING. SO I, AND USUALLY I COME UP WITH IDEAS AND TRY THINKING OF THINGS THAT ARE WRONG, BUT I'M REALLY PLEASED WITH, UH, I'M GLAD YOU'RE NOT FINDING ANYTHING WRONG. AND WELCOME ALLISON. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE ALLISON. TAKE CARE. IT'S COMING UP. GARY, NEXT THE NOSE, UM, IS THE NEXT ITEM. AND WE'RE ONE. AND HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE IS COMING UP TO THE TABLE? OH, SOME ARE GONNA BE IN THE FRONT ROW. I'M GONNA COME. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH. WE CAME WITH, WITH SOME FRIENDS. I SEE. HEAVY. HUH? I SEE. AWESOME. ALRIGHT. ONE, TWO. WE GOT ANOTHER CHAIR. NEED ANOTHER CHAIR? IT'S . ALL RIGHT. YOU FANNING YOURSELF. I KNOW. . OKAY. GOOD EVENING. HELLO. HI. DO YOU WANT, YOU WANT US TO START GALLERY OR, OR, OR DO YOU WANT, WHY DON'T YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELVES? SORRY. SURE, SURE. SO GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY, UH MM-HMM . I'M DAVID COOPER, PARTNER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF Z AND STEINZ HERE REPRESENTING, UH, BETHEL KNOWLES, UH, UH, BETHEL HOLMES, INC. THE APPLICANT. AND PETITIONER BEFORE YOUR BOARD, UH, THE NONPROFIT OPERATOR OF THE KNOWLES SENIOR LIVING FACILITY. MR. COOPER, DO ME A HUGE FAVOR. JUST PULL THE MIC CLOSER. 'CAUSE CAN YOU HEAR IT? IT FEELS VERY LOW. YES. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE ELSE CAN HEAR YOU. GOTCHA. UM, WITH ME TONIGHT. SITTING NEXT TO ME IS, IS, UH, STASH MARCO LOPEZ FROM, UH, OR, OR, SORRY, I, I, I USED, I USED YOUR, UH, YOUR NICKNAME, BUT, UH, ANASTASIA'S, UH, THE CEO OF BETHEL, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, PATRICK MCDO FROM, UH, EGA ARCHITECTS, THE PROJECT ARCHITECT. I THINK ALSO WITH US ONLINE IS COLETTE DERO FROM LANG AND ENGINEERING, THE PROJECT ENGINEER. UM, I JUST WANT TO, HOPEFULLY WE GET THAT CONFIRMATION, UH, FROM THE REST OF OUR TEAM. UH, AND VINCENT BADONE, MY COLLEAGUE IS ALSO WITH US. UH, AND JAY, MICHAEL [00:20:01] ORCI. WHO IS PATRICK NEXT OFF? RIGHT HERE. OH, HE'S ON, YOU'RE HERE TOO. . OH. 'CAUSE HE'S GONNA SHARE THE SCREEN, RIGHT PATRICK, JUST MAKE SURE YOUR MICS ARE OFF ON THE ZOOM. THANK YOU GUYS. COMPUTER VOLUME OFF AND EVERYTHING. GREAT. YEP. OKAY. SO WE ARE BACK BEFORE YOU AFTER, AFTER YOU'VE REFERRED US TO THE PLANNING BOARD, AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER BOARDS. AND, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN A SECOND. BUT JUST TO REMIND THE BOARD WHILE WE'RE HERE, UH, THE, THE, UH, BETHEL WAS PROPOSING TO ADD 74 INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS TO ITS EXISTING CAMPUS. UM, IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, UH, WE HAVE SUBMITTED A PETITION TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO THE R 30. RIGHT NOW, IT'S, UH, THERE, DEPENDING ON WHICH MAP YOU LOOK AT, THERE'S, IT'S EITHER A SPLIT ZONE OR A PUD, UM, SAID THAT WAS, UH, PROPOSED JUST TO KIND OF CLEAN UP THE MAT, UM, AS WELL AS A SITE PLAN APPLICATION TO YOUR BOARD TO EXPAND THE FACILITY, TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UH, 74 UNITS AS WELL AS A SPECIAL PERMIT. THIS IS A-C-C-R-C. UH, UH, SO THERE'S A SPECIAL PERMIT UNDER YOUR CODE, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, WETLANDS AND STEEP SLOPE, UH, PERMITS, WHICH WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD AFTER SEGRA IS COMPLETED, WHICH IS OCCURRING BEFORE YOUR BOARD, UH, AS WELL AS SEVERAL, UH, VARIANCES THAT ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED, UH, FOR, UM, THERE WE GO. FOR, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE PROJECT ITSELF, UH, AS I SAID, YOUR BOARD IS SERVING AS THE SECRET LEAD AGENCY. UH, YOU HAD, UH, UH, REFERRED THE, UH, APPLICATION OUT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND SEVERAL OTHER BOARDS FOR REFERRALS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD. IT WAS NOT ONLY FOR THE ZONING AND THE SITE PLAN AND THE SPECIAL PERMIT, BUT ALSO FOR, FOR SECRET PURPOSES. UM, THE PLANNING BOARD RETURNED ITS, UH, MEMOS TO YOUR BOARD IN DECEMBER, AND WE HAVE NOW, UH, RESUBMITTED, UH, THE PACKAGES AS WELL AS UPDATED THE PLANS, UH, AND ARE NOW PROCESSING THE APPLICATION BEFORE YOU. UM, WHAT I WANNA DO TONIGHT, UH, BRIEFLY, IS JUST TO TAKE YOU THROUGH WHERE WE'VE, WHERE WE'VE BEEN SINCE BACK, WERE BEFORE YOUR BOARD, I THINK IT WAS IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR. SO THE LAST SEVEN MONTHS. UM, COLETTE CAN THEN TAKE YOU THROUGH, UH, THE EVOLUTION OF THE PLAN SINCE WE'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU. UH, AND, UH, PATRICK ALSO CAN TAKE YOU THROUGH THE EVOLUTION OF THE ARCHITECTURE. UM, AND THEN HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT SORT OF NEXT STEPS. WE'RE REALLY HERE TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT GO, WHAT'S GOING NE ON AFTER THIS PROCEDURALLY. UM, SO, UM, INITIALLY WHEN WE MET WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, WE, WE PRESENTED THE PLAN THAT YOUR BOARD LAST SAW, WHICH WAS, UH, SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS. UH, THE BUILDING THOUGH ITSELF WAS, UH, 66 FEET, UH, FROM THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. UM, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE SITE VISIT, I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN, BUT IT WAS WARM. SO IT CERTAINLY, THERE WAS NO SNOW ON THE GROUND. UM, THE STAKES THAT WE SAW, THAT WE REVIEWED AT THAT TIME MM-HMM . THAT WAS WHEN THE BUILDING WAS 66 FEET, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE ROAD THAT THE, THAT GOES AROUND THE BUILDING WAS ALSO CLOSER. UM, AS A RESULT OF SUGGESTIONS FROM YOUR BOARD AS WELL AS THE PLANNING BOARD, WE DID MEET WITH THE NEAREST NEIGHBOR EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS TO DISCUSS POTENTIAL CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, THAT, UH, THAT, UH, DISTANCE. UM, AS A RESULT OF, OF, OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THE APPLICANT HAS MOVED THE BUILDING BACK TO 78 FEET. UM, SO THE SETBACK NOW, THERE IS NO LONGER A NEED FOR A VARIANCE ON THAT, ON THAT SETBACK, BUT ALSO MORE IMPORTANTLY, BY MOVING THE BUILDING BACK, IT HAS REALLY OPENED UP THE AREA FOR BUFFER PLANTING AND, AND A LOT MORE BUFFER. UM, I THINK COL CAN GET, CAN GO INTO EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING THERE. UM, THE PLANNING BOARD FOCUSED ON SIGNIFICANTLY ON THE, UH, TYPE OF LANDSCAPING AND, AND HOW TO IN INCREASE THAT BUFFER AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A ROBUST BUFFER THERE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, HOW TALL THE PLANTING WILL BE WHEN THEY'RE, WHEN THEY'RE FIRST PLANTED, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY GROW TO MATURITY. UM, HOW TO, HOW TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE, MORE ROOM BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS OR THE BUILDING AND THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, AS WELL AS, AS THE TYPE OF PLANTING. SO WHAT'S NOW PROPOSED IS 200, TWO NEW TREES, NOT ONLY IN THAT AREA, BUT, BUT AROUND THE AREA AS WELL. UM, THERE IS A REMOVAL OF ABOUT 97 TREES, BUT IN, IN TOTAL, THAT'S 105 TREE GAIN. UM, WE DID MEET WITH THIS, THE CAC, AND THEY WERE VERY HAPPY WITH THAT, WITH THAT GAIN, JUST BY THE WAY. UM, AFTER, AFTER MEETING WITH IT WITH LAND BOARD FOR ABOUT FIVE MONTHS AND GOING THROUGH THE PLANS, ET CETERA. AND THAT WAY WE'VE EVOLVED, UH, THEY DID ISSUE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO YOUR BOARD ON THE REZONING, ON THE SITE PLAN AND, AND SPECIAL PERMIT, AS WELL AS THE VARIANCES TO, TO THE ZONING BOARD. UM, WE RECENTLY SUBMITTED, UH, UH, A COVER LETTER AND ADDITIONAL MATERIALS, UH, RESPONDING TO THE, TO THE PLANNING BOARD COMMENTS OR, UH, SHOWING WHERE, WHERE THERE'S STILL SOME OPEN ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA GOING TO, UM, CONTINUE TO, TO COMMUNICATE MOSTLY WITH STAFF OR ENGINEERING, ET CETERA. UM, IN ADDITION TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CAC, [00:25:01] WE ALSO MET WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC AND, AND LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD. UM, AS, AS YOUR BOARD MAY REMEMBER FROM YEARS BACK, THIS USED TO BE THE ST. MARY'S IN THE FIELD, UH, CAMPUS, UH, BACK IN, IN THE NINETIES, UH, A A PRIOR ITERATION OF YOUR BOARD. BUT THE TOWN BOARD FOR GREENBERG, UH, EVALUATED THE, UH, PROPOSAL TO WHICH ULTIMATELY CREATED THE CAMPUS. THE SENIOR LIVING CAMPUS THAT'S ON, ON THE PROPERTY NOW FOUND THAT THE REMOVAL OF, OF THE SCHOOL BUILDING AND THE LANDSCAPING, ET CETERA, WAS, WAS NOT A, A, UH, A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT AND PERMITTED THE, THE DEMOLITION OF, OF ALL THE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE, EXCEPT FOR THERE HAPPENED TO BE ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT JUST REMAINED THIS SHED. WOULD THAT BE REMOVED? WELL, THAT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT, BUT, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SHED DOWN BY THE, UH, BY THE DRIVEWAY, UH, YES. AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, YES. CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? YEAH. BECAUSE I MET WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORS, UH, LAST YEAR, I THINK GARRETT WAS ON, ON THE CALL MM-HMM . AND, YOU KNOW, I BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE REALLY UPSET. AND A LOT OF THIS IS REALLY TRUST BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO CONVINCE THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SHOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SAY, OH, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT A FAIR SHOT AND BE, YOU KNOW, OBJECTIVE ABOUT THIS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEY BASICALLY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE LEFT THE MEETING AND WE SAID WE'RE GONNA TRY, OR I SAID, I WANT THE SHED LIKE REMOVED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED BECAUSE I FAIL THAT BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD REVIEWS IT BECAUSE I FAIL THAT IF I COULD SHOW, OR IF THE TOWN COULD SHOW THE NEIGHBORS SOME GOOD FAITH, IT WILL MAKE THE PROCESS SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, EASIER BECAUSE THEN THERE'LL BE MORE TRUST AND, UH, AND UM, MORE DIALOGUE. SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE WOULD BE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD PROBABLY REMOVE THE SHE IN A DAY, SHED IN A DAY. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING IF, COULD WE BASICALLY SCHEDULE LIKE A DATE, LIKE NOW WHEN THE SHED COULD BE REMOVED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE REALLY PLEASED BECAUSE THEY'LL FAIL THAT THE TOWN KEPT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM AND IT WON'T BE LIKE NEIGHBORS VERSUS DEVELOPER. SO, MR. SUPERVISOR, WHAT I, WHAT I CAN SAY IS, THE GOOD NEWS IS YOUR HISTORICAL LANDMARK BOARD DID NOT SAY SAVE THAT BUILDING. I WAS, I WAS REFERRING TO ANOTHER BUILDING, WHICH I'LL GET INTO, RIGHT? WHAT, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT DID DO ONCE WE GOT YOUR, UH, WELL, YOUR LETTER AND, AND, AND WAS, UH, PRESENTED TO US BY STAFF IS THE, THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN BOARDED UP. THAT THE COMPLAINTS WERE THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE LIVING IN THERE, OR RIGHT. STOWING AWAY IN THERE, SORRY, SQUATTING IN THERE. UH, THAT BUILDING WAS, HAS BEEN COMPLETELY BOARDED UP AND CAMERAS, SECURITY CAMERAS HAVE BEEN THERE, AND STAFF NOW GO AND, AND, AND INSPECT. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN A COMPLAINT SINCE YOUR, YOUR CALL, BUT THEY, PEOPLE SAID, FEEL IT'S AN ICE SOURCE. AND, AND I SAID, WELL, THAT, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHY IT'LL BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. BUT, BUT IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT WE COULD JUST LIKE, AS A SIGN OF GOOD FAITH, GET IT REMOVED LIKE NOW AND THEN, AND THEN AFTER IT'S REMOVED, THEN WE COULD HAVE A MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN I COULD SAY TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHY DON'T WE TRUST THE PROCESS? BECAUSE I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I JUST SORT OF THINK THAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE SO MUCH SMOOTHER. AND I JUST KNOW I MADE, I MADE LIKE PROMISES WHEN WE HAD THE MEETING, AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO KEEP MY WORD THAT I'M GONNA FIGHT TO GET THE SHED REMOVED, YOU KNOW, BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU KNOW, WE GO AHEAD. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS PEOPLE DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S LIKE ALL OVER THE NATION. AND I WANT TO SHOW, AND SO THE THING IS, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE SKEPTICAL. THEY FEEL THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP OUR WORD. THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO, WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY ARE GONNA DO. I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, MR. SUPERVISOR, BUT MAYBE THEY WANNA EXPLAIN WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN REMOVE THE SHOT. LET THEM ANSWER. MAYBE THEY SHOULD, SHOULD FINISH THE, MAYBE THEY SHOULD FINISH THE IMPORTANT PRESENTATION. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HERE GO. JUST I JUST TELLING YOU. WELL, YEAH. I THINK SHE A PRESENTATION. OKAY. THANK, WELL, WE, WE, MR. SUPERVISOR, WE HEAR WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT LET ME JUST FOCUS ON, ON THE HISTORIC BOARD AND, AND GETTING BACK TO THE COMMENT ABOUT, UH, OPEN GOVERNMENT AND, AND EFFICIENCIES. SO, SO THE, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK BOARD RAISED THE CONCERN ABOUT, WAIT, WE, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS, THIS BUILDING IS, IS, IS HISTORIC. THEY HIRED YOUR OWN CONSULTANT TO EVALUATE IT. UM, THE, THE ISSUE FOR THE, THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW, I DUNNO IF, WELL, IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THE SITE VISIT, THE ADULT DAYCARE CENTER, THERE'S THE SORT OF HISTORIC BUILDING AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT WAS BUILT OUT IN THE NINETIES AND I GUESS TWO THOUSANDS WHEN THAT, WHEN THE USE WAS ACTUALLY, UH, PREPARED, THE HISTORIC BUILDING PORTION OR THAT, OR THAT, THAT THAT SINGLE FAMILY BUILDING ISN'T IN USE RIGHT NOW. IT CAN'T BE, 'CAUSE IT'S DANGEROUS FOR SENIORS TO GO IN THERE. UH, THE, THE FLOORS ARE UNEVEN. THE STAIRS ARE, ARE VERY, ARE VERY, UH, STEEP. AND SO, UM, IT REALLY IS JUST SORT OF A, A, A VACANT PORTION OF [00:30:01] THE, OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY. WE DID DO A, A, A SITE VISIT WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD AS WELL AS THE PLANNING BOARD MM-HMM . AND, AND KIND OF TOOK THEM THROUGH THAT. AND WE THOUGHT WE, WE KIND OF CAME TO THE, THE, UH, AGREEMENT OR CONCLUSION THAT, UH, PRESERVING CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING AND INCORPORATING THEM INTO THE NEW BUILDING. LIKE THERE'S A, THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL FIREPLACE, MANTLE AND SOME OTHER HISTORICAL KIND OF, UH, INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE NEW BUILDING THAT WOULD WORK. BUT JUST USING THE BUILDING BY ITSELF OR JUST KEEPING IT WHERE IT IS, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR THIS USE. IT'S, IT, IS THIS THE SAME AS THE SHED? I'M JUST CONFUSED. NO, IT'S NOT . NO. HE'S REFERRING TO THE MAIN BILL. WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE SHED ASIDE FOR A MOMENT, PLEASE. HE'S REFERRING TO THE HISTORIC NO, I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT THE HISTORIC, WE DID THE SITE VISIT. YEAH. AND I KNOW WHAT THE HISTORIC BUILDING IS. I DON'T RECALL SEEING A SHED, SO I DON'T REALLY OKAY. THERE'S AN ARIEL, UH, ON, ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW. AND, UM, I THINK THE, UH, A PRESENTER THERE IS GOING SHOW THAT IN STREET VIEW. THAT'S THE SHED. NO, THAT'S THE HOUSE. NO, TIME OUT. TIME OUT HOLD. SORRY. UH, IS THAT, WHO'S DOING, IS THAT COLETTE? YEAH, IT'S COLETTE. HOLD, HOLD ON ONE SEC. IS ANOTHER MAN'S SHED. YEAH. . YOU SH YEAH, THAT WAS IN THE SHED. UM, WAIT, IS IT NICK? COLETTE? HOLD ON. WHERE'S THE SHED? YEAH, COLETTE, YOU WERE RIGHT. COLETTE. YEAH. ABOUT ON YOUR CIVIL, ON YOUR SITE PLAN, IT SHOWS THE BUILDING LABELED AS SHED CORRECTLY. I THINK IT WAS. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR SITE PLAN, I THINK YOU HAD THAT. YEAH. THE BUILDING IN QUESTION IS THE ONE ON STEVENS LANE. YEAH. WHERE IT SAYS SHED SHED TO BE REMOVED. THERE'S, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UH, AN OLD SHED THAT MAYBE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A HOUSE AT SOME POINT. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE HISTORIC BUILDING THAT WE'VE BEEN THAT OKAY. HERE. OKAY. SEE THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE WHAT WE JUST SAW SHEDS 1950S HOUSE, SEARS HOUSE KIT. YEAH. SO, OKAY. SO, UH, ALRIGHT. LIKE I SAID, YEAH, ONE MAN SHED IS ANOTHER MAN MENTIONED. RIGHT. ANOTHER MAN'S MAN SHED, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, WHETHER YOU CALL IT A SHED OR OR SEARS HOUSE, IT'S GOING TO BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS, PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT WAS DEEMED NOT HISTORICALLY. NO, THAT'S DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT, YEAH. SO THE BUILDING I WAS, I STARTED WITH TO TALK ABOUT IS THE ADULT DAYCARE BUILDING. YEAH. YEAH. THE ISSUE WITH THAT BUILDING IS, IS THAT THE, WE KEEPING IT IS JUST YOU CAN'T USE IT. MM-HMM . UM, SO, UH, WHAT YOUR CONSULTANT, UH, SUGGESTED WAS THAT THE APPLICANT PREPARE AND ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS AND SUBMIT THAT TO THE STATE SHIPPO OFFICE. UM, WE DID DO, WE STUDIED FOUR DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES, PRESERVE IT IN PLACE AND INCORPORATE IT INTO THE PROJECT. PART OF THAT PROBLEM WOULD BE THAT IF YOU WERE TO DO THAT, UH, THE SETBACK THAT WE, THAT WE INCORPORATED INTO THE PROJECT, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE COMMENTS OF THE NEIGHBORS AND YOUR BOARD AND THE PLAY BOARD WOULD BE ELIMINATED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE BUILDING WHERE IT IS. UM, WE DID PRESERVE IN PLACE IN STANDALONE THAT WOULD JUST KIND OF CREATE A BUILDING THAT DOESN'T, CAN'T BE USED. YOU KNOW, BETHEL'S NOT, THAT DOESN'T OPERATE MUSEUMS. AND SO THAT'S REALLY NOT FEASIBLE. UH, PRESERVE AND RELOCATE. NOT ONLY IS THAT VERY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THIS, THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING'S JUST NOT, YOU CAN'T REALLY JUST RELOCATE IT. BUT AGAIN, BETHEL'S NOT IN, IN, THAT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE, FINALLY DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, BUT SALVAGE THOSE, THE ELEMENTS AND ELEMENTS MM-HMM . THAT WAS, THAT WAS, UH, DEEMED ACCEPTABLE BY SHIPPO. AND AS LONG AS WE INCORPORATE CERTAIN, UH, CONDITIONS INTO THE APPROVAL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THE MANTLE, ET CETERA, THAT WAS WHAT CHIPO SAID WAS, WAS APPROPRIATE ITSELF. AND THAT IS INCORPORATED AS OPPOSED PROJECT. UM, UNLESS IF WE WANNA GET INTO THE SHED, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE PRODUCTIVE RIGHT NOW IS FOR TO HAVE COLLET JUST GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN TO SHOW YOU THE DIFFERENCE FROM WHERE WE WERE TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. UM, AND THEN ALSO THEN TURN IT OVER TO PATRICK JUST TO SHOW YOU THE DIFF THE, THE, THE ARCHITECTURE ITSELF. THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, WHETHER IT BE ABOUT THE SHED OR ANYTHING ELSE. WE'RE, WE'RE FINE. AND THEN, OKAY. HI EVERYONE. COLETTE DELORO, UH, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AT LANG IN AND THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT. SO JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, SHOW YOU OBVIOUSLY THE OVERALL SITE PLAN AND THE, UH, BUILDING EXPANSION AS WELL AS THE NEW ROADWAY, WHICH WILL LOOP AROUND THE NEW EXPANSION AS, AND THEN CONTINUE AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING. UH, THIS IS A ROADWAY THAT IS CURRENTLY, UM, LOCATED HERE IN WRAPS AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING. AND THEN WE ARE, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT AROUND, UH, AS A CONTINUATION AROUND THE NEW, UM, BUILDING. UH, AS DAVID SAID, UH, THE BIGGEST CHANGE WAS THE BUILDING SETBACK AS WELL AS THE ROADWAY SETBACK. SO THAT HAS PROVIDED MORE OF A BUFFER BETWEEN THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE AND OUR BUILDING AS WELL AS THE ROADWAY. SO ONE OTHER, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY BIG CHANGE IS THE INFILTRATION BASIN. SO PREVIOUSLY WE WERE WITHIN 25 [00:35:01] FEET OF THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE. AND WE HAVE NOW SHIFTED THAT SO THAT THE ENTIRETY OF THE INFILTRATION BASIN IS, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT OVER 25 FEET. UH, WE'RE AT ABOUT 31.5 FEET, UM, TO THE EDGE OF THE BASIN. SO THIS IS A COMPARISON OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE. SO THIS LINE HERE IS THE BOTTOM OF THE BASIN. THIS LINE HERE IS THE, YOU KNOW, THE EDGE OF THE BASIN. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR LIMITED OF DISTURBANCE LINE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS WE SHIFT THE FILTRATION BASIN FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, WE'RE KIND OF EXTEN EXTENDING IT NORTH A LITTLE BIT. BUT WITHIN OUR PROPERTY, UM, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, MINOR CHANGE THAT OCCURRED TO THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE IS IN THE DISTANCE FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT AN EIGHT FOOT BUFFER, UM, FOR CONSTRUCTION LOGISTICS. AND WE WILL HAVE A CONSTRUCTION FENCE THERE, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT NO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY GOES INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. SO THOSE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST CHANGES THAT WE'VE HAD IN TERMS OF YOU, YOU KNOW, SITE ELEMENTS AND, AND CIVIL ENGINEERING. SO THERE IS, UM, I'LL SHOW YOU SOME LANDSCAPING TOO. SO THIS IS OUR UPDATED LANDSCAPE PLAN, JUST SOME PHOTOS OF THE TREES. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE DO DESIGN WILL BE USED FOR THE SCREENING AND IT WILL INCLUDE TREES THAT VARY IN SIZE TO CREATE A NATURAL LOOKING SCREEN. UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, WAS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED WITH THE TOWN, UH, THE SIZES OF THE TREES AT PLANTING WILL ACTUALLY BE INCREASED. UH, SO THERE WILL BE A VARYING SIZE. WE'LL HAVE SOME 10 TO 12 FOOT TALL TREES MIXED WITH, UM, 10 TO 14 FOOT TALL TREES, AND THAT'S FOR THE EVERGREENS. AND THEN WE'LL INCLUDE SOME SHADE TREES THAT ARE, ARE A BIT TALLER AT ABOUT 14 TO 16 FEET AT THE TIME OF PLANTING TO ALLOW FOR BETTER SCREENING FROM THE BUILDING AND FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. UH, ONE OTHER ELEMENT IN TERMS OF STORM WATER, UH, JUST GOING BACK TO THIS PLAN, UH, SORRY, I JUST WANNA GO TO THE OVERALL PLAN. SO IN THIS AREA OF, UH, PARKING, THE PLANNING BOARD HAD, UH, MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE, OR REQUEST THAT WE INCLUDE SOME SORT OF PERVIOUS, UH, PAVEMENT. SO WE WILL BE INCLUDING THAT IN THE PARKING AREAS THAT WE'RE ADDING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE ROADWAY. SO THAT IS, UH, THAT DAVID, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY OTHER THING YOU MAY WANT TO, TO GO OVER IS JUST THE, UH, THE SIZING OF THE STORMWATER, UH, BASIN AND, AND WHAT TYPE OF STORM IT CAN HANDLE WHERE YOU HAD A LONG DISCUSSION WITH, OR NOT A LONG YES. A BUNCH OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THAT BASIN WOULD, COULD SERVE EVEN THE HIGH, THE, YOU KNOW, THE MOST EXTREME STORMS WE'RE SEEING EVEN IN EVEN FURTHER. SO, YES, JUST COLETTE, IF YOU WANNA JUST SUMMARIZE THAT QUICKLY. YEAH, YEP, OF COURSE. SO OBVIOUSLY STORM WATER ALWAYS, UH, A BIG TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION. SO THIS INFILTRATION BASIN, UH, IS SIZED FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM. UH, THE INFILTRATION RATES ON SITE WERE SEEN TO BE, YOU KNOW, 30 INCHES AN HOUR, UH, WHICH IS QUITE SUBSTANTIAL. SO WE ACTUALLY USED, UH, 10 INCHES PER HOUR, WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM KIND OF ALLOWED IN THE NEW YORK STATE, UH, STORMWATER MANUAL. SO OUR INFILTRATION BASIN IS ACTUALLY SIZED QUITE CONSERVATIVELY KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DESIGNING FOR 10 INCHES PER HOUR, BUT WE WERE SEEING THE 30 INCHES PER HOUR ON SITE. UM, IN ADDITION, ALL OF THE DESIGN POINTS THAT WE, UH, ASSESSED FOR THE PRE AND POST CONSTRUCTION, UH, CONDITION, WE'VE REDUCED ALL OF THE FLOW OR THE DISCHARGE RATES IN ALL OF THOSE LOCATIONS. UH, SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF FLOW FROM LEAVING THE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY IN SOME CASES DOING NOW, AND WE ARE MAINTAINING A LOT OF THAT ONSITE. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOT OF RUNOFF FROM MAYBE ENTERING THE, THE STORM SYSTEM IN THE STREET OR RUNNING OFF TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. SO BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD 700 YEAR STORM, 500 YEAR STORMS, A HUNDRED YEAR STORM ARE NOT THAT UNUSUAL ANYMORE. MM-HMM. JUST START AGAIN. YOU NEED TO START AGAIN. I JUST TURNED YOUR MIC. OH. UH, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE 500 YEAR STORMS OR SEVEN, WE'VE EVEN HAD A 700 YEAR STORM RECENTLY WHERE ONCE YOU, YOU, YOU'RE DESIGNING THIS FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM MM-HMM . WHO IS IMPACTED [00:40:01] ONCE THAT OVERFLOWS IT. AND COLETTE, LET ME JUST, JUST 'CAUSE I WANTED TO CLARIFY AND, AND CAREFUL, UH, NOT TO JUMP TOO FAR INTO ENGINEER SPEAK, I'M SORRY. BUT, UM, WE HAD A LONG, UH, UH, ANALYSIS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD IN TERMS OF THE HIGHEST, UH, RAIN AMOUNTS IN INCHES, UH, UH, MEASURED IN THE AREA AND HOW MANY INCHES, UH, OF RAIN THIS STORMWATER BASIN COULD, UM, UH, UH, HOLD IN IN, IN A GIVEN STORM. CAN YOU JUST GO THROUGH THAT? 'CAUSE I THINK THAT THAT, THAT IT WAS A QUESTION. IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION. IT WAS ASKED OF US. YEAH. YEAH. SO WHAT WE FOUND IN DATA COLLECTION, SO THE NEAREST RAIN GAUGE, UH, YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY AVAILABLE IS AT WESTCHESTER COUNTY AIRPORT. SO IN THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE SEEN A RAINFALL EVENT THAT WAS 4.1 INCHES OVER 24 HOURS. UM, AND THIS BASIN IS DESIGNED FOR 9.1 INCHES OVER 24 HOURS. SO I BELIEVE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE INTENSITY OF THE STORMS IS GREATER, SO THAT'S HIGHER DEPTHS OR, YOU KNOW, GREATER RAINFALL OVER A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME. UM, SO, BUT IF YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION STILL WITHIN 24 HOURS, THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF RAINFALL WAS 4.1 INCHES. SO IT, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR BASIN IS ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE 9.1 INCHES, SO WE STILL HAVE LIKE A FIVE INCH BUFFER FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST THREE YEARS IN THE LARGEST STORM. AND, AND WHAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR, THAT'S, THAT'S ASSUMING THAT IT DOES SPREAD OVER 24 HOURS, BUT WE ARE EXPERIENCING WITH THE MAJOR FLOODS THAT WE'RE HAVING IS IT'S COMING DOWN IN FOUR OR FIVE HOURS, THE EQUIVALENT MM-HMM . OF A 78 YEAR STORM RIGHT. IN, IN 24 HOURS, BUT WE'RE GETTING IT IN FOUR HOURS. BUT, BUT THAT'S THE, BUT THAT'S THE, THE FOUR INCHES THAT, THAT IS BEING MEASURED AT THE SAME TIME. AND SO, SO THOSE STORMS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO WOULD, WOULD RESULT IN ABOUT FOUR INCHES OF, OF RAIN INTO THIS, INTO THIS CENTER. BUT IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE QUANTITY, IT'S THE AMOUNT OF RAIN IN THE SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH CHANGES THE ABSORPTION RATE AND, UM, IT'S HOW YOU'RE DIRECTING THE RUNOFF AND HOW MUCH CAN BE ACCOMMODATED IN, IN THE, UM, WHATEVER, WHATEVER, UM, YOU USE TO CONVEY THE RUNOFF. RIGHT. AND SO, SO IN COLETTE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT LEMME JUST LEMME TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT, IS THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW NONE OF IT'S BEING COLLECTED ON, ON THE SITE. SO IF THAT WERE, IF THAT WERE THE CASE, WHAT HAPPENS IS IT RUNS ESSENTIALLY TO THE ROAD, TO GRASSLANDS ROAD AT NOW. IT'S ALL GONNA BE COLLECTED AND A ACCOMMODATED IN THAT, IN THAT POND. IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A RAIN EVENT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, OVER NINE INCHES AND IT, AND IT OVERTOPS, IT'LL GO TO THE ROAD. YES. UM, BUT IT'LL BE FAR LESS THAN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IN THAT AREA. OKAY. UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN'T STOP FLOODING AND IT'S, AND, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, RIGHT UP FRONT, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE CAVEAT THAT WE HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN. UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF THAT A CONCERN I WOULD HAVE, A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS YOU HAVE THE ROADWAY WITH, WHAT DID YOU SAY, HOW MANY FEET FROM THE PROPERTY? AND IT'S A DOWNHILL SLOPE, CORRECT. WHICH, WHICH ROADWAY? YOU MEAN? THE, THE NEW ROADWAY? THE NEW ROADWAY. OH, WELL THE, THE WATER ON THAT ROADWAY WOULD BE COLLECTED AND DIRECTED INTO THE POND BEYOND THE, THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. SO IF, IF THE CONCERN IS IS THAT IF THE, IF THE TOO MUCH WATER COMES IN AND IT OVERTOPS THE POND, IS IT GONNA GO TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR? NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ASKING. WHAT I'M ASKING IS, WE HAVE A RAIN EVENT WITH SUCH INTENSITY THAT THAT WATER WILL ACCUMULATE MUCH FASTER AND THEN YOU HAVE TO DIRECT THAT RUNOFF TO THE POND. HOW IS IT, WHAT CAN CONVEYANCE FROM THE ROADWAY TO THE POND IS THERE THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE THAT MUCH? IT, IT'S KIND OF PLAYING OFF OF, OF WHERE FRANCIS WAS GOING, BUT FROM THE ROADWAY, AND IF I RECALL IT, THE SLOPE IS DOWNWARD TOWARDS THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. UH, YES. FROM THE ROADWAY. YEAH. SO COLLECT, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? MM-HMM . WITH RESPECT TO, I THINK THE SIZING OF THE STORMWATER PIPES ON THE ROAD AND THEIR ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE. YEP. YEP. SO TYPICAL STORM, SO WE HAVE STORMWATER PIPES, UH, THAT'S THIS LIKE DASH LINE HERE WITH CATCH BASIN. SO THERE ARE CURBS AROUND THE ENTIRE ROADWAY AND THE CURBS WILL, [00:45:01] OR SIX INCH CURBS, THEY'LL DIRECT THE WATER TO THESE CATCH BASINS AND THEN THE CATCH BASINS WILL, YOU KNOW, COLLECT THE WATER AND DISCHARGE IT THROUGH THE PIPE, AND THEN IT WILL END UP IN THIS OUTFALL INTO THE BASIN. SO THE, THE AREA THAT IS GOING TO THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY IS MAYBE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS AREA OVER HERE, BUT THIS IS ALL LANDSCAPED, SO IT'S NOT GONNA PRODUCE A LOT OF RUNOFF. UM, AND THAT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN WHAT IS RUNNING OFF INTO, YOU KNOW, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW. UM, SO WE'RE LIMITING IT SUBSTANTIALLY IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN OF THE CONVEYANCE PIPES. SO THOSE ARE TYPICALLY DESIGNED FOR 10 YEAR STORMS, BUT WE'VE DESIGNED THEM FOR 25 YEAR STORMS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THERE COULD BE SURCHARGE AND, YOU KNOW, WE DO, YOU HAVE TO DESIGN WITH A FACTOR OF SAFETY, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO DESIGN APPROPRIATELY AND NOT OVER DESIGN AS CIVIL ENGINEERS. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A BALANCE. SO WITH THE 25 YEAR STORM, WE DO MODEL HOW MUCH THESE CATCH BASINS ARE GOING TO, UM, LIKE POND. UM, SO WE ASSUME MAYBE A COUPLE INCHES OF PONDING, BUT THAT'S REALLY WITHIN THE ROADWAY AND THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE AT THESE GREATER MORE INTENSE STORMS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN 25 YEAR STORMS, THAT'S ALSO, I'M SORRY, THAT'S A HUNDRED, 200, 500 YEAR STORMS. THERE WAS ALSO TREES THAT, UH, DULL FROM THE, UH, FROM THE KNOLLS, I THINK IN, IN A, I THINK LAST YEAR. WASN'T THAT GAR? I THINK THERE WAS RESIDENCE, YOU KNOW, HAD COMPLAINED AND I THINK WE, SO YEAH. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? YEAH. YES. I MEAN THIS IS, SORRY, THIS IS A, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THIS, THIS IS ALONG HILLSIDE AVENUE, RIGHT. UM, THE, WE, THE APPLICANT DID DO A SURVEY AS I BELIEVE ALL OF THE OTHER, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THAT AREA DID, I BELIEVE THE TREES THAT FELL ARE ACTUALLY IN DOT PROPERTY, NOT, UH, THE, THE, UH, BETHELS PROPERTY. OKAY. UM, IRRESPECTIVE, THEY'RE, UM, THEY CLEANED IT UP THE STATE NEW YORK. THIS THE STATE, STATE NEW YORK STATE, D-O-T-D-O-T. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I I JUST HAVE ONE. I MEAN, I WAS GLAD TO HEAR THE HEIGHT OF THE TREES, THE SIZE OF THE TREES THAT YOU'RE PLANTING BECAUSE THE, THAT MEANS THAT THEY ABSORB A GREATER AMOUNT OF WATER AND THAT'S NO SMALL AMOUNT OF WATER. THEY ABSORB TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WATER. SO I'M SURE THAT WILL HELP. AND YOU INTEND TO DO SOME HEAVY PLANTING IN THAT AREA? YES. OF TREES. YEAH. AS, AS COLETTE'S PUTTING UP ON THE SCREEN, YOU COULD SEE THE, THE, UH, PROPOSED PLANTING, UM, IN THAT AREA. UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAD, WE HAD, UH, UH, SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT THE SIZING OF THE TREES AND THEY DID SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THE HEIGHT. UM, I BELIEVE, UH, WHAT WHAT COLTA SAID IS, IS WE'VE INCREASED IT TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE 10 16. RIGHT. KUDOS TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR HAVING DICTATE PUTTING FOOT FEET TO THE FIRE. IT'S TRUE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BALANCE YOU HAVE TO REACH BECAUSE IF, IF YOU PLANT A TREE THAT'S TOO TALL AT, AT, AT PLANTING, IT'S NOT GONNA SURVIVE. 'CAUSE ALSO, SO WE'RE, IT HAS TO GROW ROOTS, RIGHT? AND THEN WE HAVE TO ANCHOR AND, AND ONCE IT ANCHORS, IT'S THAT TALL, BUT THEN IF YOU UPROOT IT AND PUT IT SOMEPLACE ELSE, SO, UH, WE'VE, I GUESS WE'VE PUSHED THE LIMITS TO SOME EXTENT, BUT, BUT WE BELIEVE THIS WILL STILL SURVIVE. HOW MUCH TAXES WILL THIS GENERATE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR TO THE TOWN? UM, UH, I, I DON'T, I, I DIDN'T COME WITH THAT INFORMATION OFF, OFF HAND, BUT, UH, THE SUPERVISOR, I CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT TO THE BOARD. UH, ONE MORE ON LANDSCAPING. I DID HAVE AARON SCHMIDT REVIEW THE LANDSCAPING PLAN AND HE, YOU KNOW, HE WAS ALONGSIDE THE PLANNING BOARD. EVERY STEP OF THE REVIEW THERE. HE DID INDICATE THAT THIS LANDSCAPING PLAN, BOTH IN THE DIVERSITY OF PLANTINGS AND THE HEIGHTS, UH, HE SAID IT'S EXTREMELY ROBUST. HE WAS VERY SATISFIED, UH, WITH WHAT THE, AND THEY'RE NATIVE TREES. I'M JUST REALLY, SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING OFF LIKE YOUR PRESENTATION 'CAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DISCUSSING RIGHT NOW. CAN WE GET TO WHAT YOU'RE HERE FOR? BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT SHEDS AND HOUSES THAT NIGHT. YEAH, BUT EVERYTHING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR ON AND WE UNDERSTAND. I THINK I REALLY GOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. OKAY. SO LET ME JUST MAKE IT SIMPLER. IS THERE ANY SCENARIO WHERE YOU CAN ENVISION THAT YOUR INFILTRATION BASIN WOULD OVERFLOW AND AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS? NO. BECAUSE, BECAUSE WHAT WHAT IT WOULD DO IS IT WOULD RUN TO THE, TO THE STREET AND RUN INTO THE STREET. RIGHT? STREAM STREET. THERE MAY BE STREET OR STREAM. STREET OR GRASSLANDS ROAD. YES. YEAH. SO IT WOULD GO BEYOND THE HOUSE AND INTO THE, INTO THE STREET. OKAY. HMM. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, LESS THAN IT DOES NOW. FAR LESS. IT DOES NOW. AND UNDER, UNDER, WHAT I'LL SAY IS ARE EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES. I UNDERSTAND THAT IS [00:50:01] A, A, A LOADED WORD TO USE BECAUSE WHAT IS AN EXTREME THESE DAYS, BUT IT'S NOT AS IF WE, THIS APPLICANT HAS SAID, WE'RE JUST GONNA USE THE LOWEST DEME, YOU KNOW, LOWEST STANDARD AND SAY, HEY, THAT'S 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL THE DC REQUIRES. THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ENGINEERED TO REASONABLY ADDRESS THAT CONCERN. GOTCHA. UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURE. I, I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SORT OF ALMOST OVER TIME, SO I DON'T WANT TO WANT TO OVERSTAY OUR WELCOME BECAUSE WHAT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS ASK THE BOARD TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND MOVE THE PROCESS FORWARD BECAUSE YOUR BOARD ULTIMATELY NEEDS TO, UH, REACH A SECRET DETERMINATION, HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, ON THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND THE, UH, SITE PLAN. AND THEN, UM, IS, YOU KNOW, VOTE ON THAT, ON THAT APPLICATION. IS, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER REMOVING THE SHED, YOU KNOW, UH, BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED? BECAUSE I, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN SUPERVISOR, WHEN I MEET WITH LIKE NEIGHBORS AND THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRUST AND THEY FEEL THAT, UH, AN AN APPLICANT IS REALLY WORKING WITH 'EM, HEAR THIS, IT MAKES THE, FOR ME, IT MAKES THE PROCESS SO MUCH BETTER. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR FIRM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD MANY SUCCESSES AND UH, YOUR FIRM HAS ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, A LOT IN THE PAST, WE'VE ALWAYS WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND I JUST SORT OF FEEL SO, SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME GIVE YOU SOME KUDOS THEN, MR. SUPERVISOR. 'CAUSE REMEMBER WHEN WE CAME TO YOU IN THE BEGINNING, WE WERE, WE WERE PROPOSING A ROAD THAT, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT THE STAKES THAT WAS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY AND, AND, AND A BUILDING THAT NEEDED VARIANCES THAT WERE REQUIRED. I, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SAID TO US, YOU NEED TO REEVALUATE THAT AND AS, AS WELL AS THE FULL BOARD. BUT, UM, THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS SIT DOWN WITH THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND STARTED DISCUSSING HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE ACCOMMODATE THAT? NOW I, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, I'M SURE YOU'VE READ SOME OF THE LETTERS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED THAT THE NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID, DENY THIS PROJECT. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MUCH MORE, UM, PRODUCTIVE DIALOGUE THAT CAN BE HAD THERE. HOWEVER, FROM A, FROM A, UH, PERSPECTIVE OF SITTING DOWN AND TALKING ABOUT REASONABLE ISSUES, I THINK THAT THE, THE TOWN AND THIS BOARD IN PARTICULAR HAS, HAS DONE A LOT ALREADY. THE ISSUE OF, OF THE, OF THE, OF THAT, OF THE, UM, THAT HOUSE OR, OR, OR SHED OR WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA CALL IT, IT COULD JUST BE, IT COULD JUST REMAIN RIGHT? IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROJECT. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR ANY APPROVAL. BUT WE'VE ALREADY SAID BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS, WE WILL, OR WE BEING THAT THE APPLICANT WILL DEMOLISH THAT, THAT BUILDING, UM, UPON WHEN, WHEN THEY GET THE BUILDING PERMIT AND, AND START CONSTRUCTION, THAT IT'LL BE PART OF IT TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMENTS THAT, THAT YOU'VE RAISED, AGAIN, AS A, AS, UH, AS A CONCERN ABOUT SQUATTERS, THEY'VE BOARDED UP THE HOUSE, INCLUDED CAMERAS AND ARE NOW PATROLLING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT CONCERN IN THE SHORT TERM, HOPEFULLY DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE. AND SO FAR, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT HASN'T. YEAH. I JUST FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD MAKE IT FOR ME, IT WOULD MAKE IT EASIER. UM, AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER IT, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU, FOR THE K KNOWLES, IT'S NOT LIKE A REALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THE BIGGEST EXPENSE IN THE WORLD. ON THE OTHER HAND, FOR, UM, FOR THE RESIDENTS, IT'S SUCH A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE. AND IT'S A CONCERN. AND I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED AT, YOU KNOW, WHO LIVE AT THE KNOLLS, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE FRIENDS, AND I'VE WORKED WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, I'VE GO THERE. SO THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED THEM TO DO SOMETHING, WE'RE DOING IT. IT'S, I THINK THEY, THEY HEARD IT. SO THAT'S SOME I DIDN'T GET. YOU LET, LET THEM CAME. HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE SUPPORT THE PROJECT IF THE SHED COMES DOWN? SO SHED IS NOT THE DETERMINING FACTOR. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, MAY WELL, WELL, HE SAID, HE SAID THAT IN HIS PRESENTATION. DID YOU, DID YOU GET THE, UH, I, I FEEL, I, YOU KNOW WHAT? I FEEL LIKE YOU, YOU JUST SAID YOU MADE THE, A GREAT POINT THAT THE THING IS SHE, YOU SAID THAT YOU COULD SUPPORT HER WITH CHANGES. SO THE THING IS, I SORT OF FEEL THAT, UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS SAYING, NO, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT EVEN GONNA TALK TO YOU. IF I HAVE COULD SHOW THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRUST AND THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER, I'M, BUT THAT IS PUBLIC HEARING. SO THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S WHY WE'RE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING HAVE, AND THIS IS BEFORE THE HEARING. THIS IS WHY THE NOLL SPOKE. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE NEIGHBORS. I'M JUST SAYING, AND, AND WE CAN HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATION, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO BELABOR IT. NOW'S NOT, OH, IT'S NOT BELABORING, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE SHED IS THE DETERMINING FACTOR ANYWAY. AND THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE IN MOVING THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THEY'RE SHOWING, THERE, THERE IS TRAFFIC NEED TO REMEMBER. IT'S NOT LIKE ANY OTHER LAND USE PROCESS. RIGHT. [00:55:01] IT'S ABOUT EVALUATING IMPACTS AND THE EMPIRICAL DATA THAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD AS, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT AN ALLEGED IMPACT OCCURS. JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THE AREA SAYS, HEY, I DON'T, LIKE, THIS IS NOT A BASIS TO SAY SO MOVE IT. YEAH. BUT, AND, AND WAIT, WAIT. LEMME JUST FINISH WHAT THIS APPLICANT IS TRYING TO DO. REMEMBER, THIS IS A NON-PROFIT OPERATOR. LIKE EVERY, EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU SAY CHANGE THE PROJECT, IT'S NOT AS IF IT'S, IT'S JUST AN EASY THING TO GO IN THEIR POCKET AND PAY FOR IT. IT DOES IMPACT THIS, THIS RAZOR THIN PROFORMA. AND SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRIED TO DO FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IS SIT DOWN AND TALK REASONABLY AS TO HOW CAN WE, HOW CAN WE WORK WITH SOME IMPACTS. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY SAID, LOOK, WE'RE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW CLOSE THE ROAD IS, HOW CLOSE THE BUILDING IS, AND, AND THE PRIVACY. SO THEY, THEY'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, EFFORT AND, AND ENERGY TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT. IF THIS IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY'LL PAY NO TAXES? I, I, I, NO, BECAUSE I'M SAYING, BECAUSE THE THING IS, IF IT'S NOT-FOR-PROFIT, GENERALLY DON'T PAY TAXES. YEAH. I I, I, THE THING IS I'M JUST CUR I'M JUST SORT OF CURIOUS. WELL, IT'S CURRENTLY NOT. NO, I'M JUST, I'M REALLY, I I HAVE A RIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HAVING A MEETING RIGHT NOW AND I HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, IS THIS GONNA BE, WELL, IT, IT, ITS STATUS ISN'T GONNA CHANGE FROM WHAT IT IS, CORRECT? NO, I'M JUST, I'M, SO WE EITHER GET TAXES FROM IT NOW, OR WE DON'T, IT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE IT. I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION FROM MY OWN EDIT, YOU KNOW, FOR, I THINK YOU'D KNOW THAT. DO YOU FEEL THAT THOUGH? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT I COULD SAY, OH, LOOK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, TO LIVE AT NO'S IS PROBABLY OVER $10,000. IT COULD BE, SOME PEOPLE PAY $20,000 A MONTH FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES. SO IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A NOT-FOR-PROFIT AND THEY'RE PAYING NO TAXES AND, UH, THEY'RE GETTING, AND PEOPLE ARE PAYING $20,000 A MONTH OR $15,000 A MONTH, UM, THEN TO ME THE LEASE WE COULD DO IS REMOVE THE SHED BEFORE PAUL SHED. OKAY, WELL, BACK TO THE SHE YOU GO BACK. NO, I'M SAYING, WELL, I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT. YOU SHOULD KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, RIGHT? YEAH, NO, I, I, I BELIEVE I DID NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. OH, I, I BELIEVE IT'S A NONPROFIT. SO THAT, SO THAT THERE IS, IT'S NOT PAYING TAXES. I SAID THE, I I SAID I, I NEED TO GET BACK TO YOU. 'CAUSE I DUNNO IF THERE ARE ASSESSMENTS, ET CETERA, THAT, THAT ARE NOT EXEMPT, BUT FROM A REAL ESTATE PROPERTY TAX, NO, IT'S AN EXEMPT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND THAT'S NOT GONNA CHANGE. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT THEN, BUT, BUT THE, BUT THE, THE ANALYSIS OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T STOP AT, AT WHETHER A NONPROFIT SHOULD BE PAYING TAX. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THEY CAME HERE FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. THEY'RE ASKING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE PUBLIC, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE CERTAINLY YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO HAVE CONCERNS AND AND TO EXPRESS THEM. ABSOLUTELY. THIS ISN'T QUITE THE FORUM AT THIS TIME, THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THE FORUM FOR THAT. AND THAT IS WHAT THE KNOWLES HAS COME TO REQUEST. AND I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS WHAT THEY CAME TO REQUEST, WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA IN THE INTEREST OF NOT TAKING TIME UP, THEIR TIME UP, YOUR TIME UP, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO FOLLOWS. SO THANK YOU, YOU VERY MUCH. ONE FINAL QUESTION, AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET, BE, BUT BECAUSE I'M, I'VE BEEN VERY INTERESTED IN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES FOR, FOR YEARS, AND I HAD A COMMITTEE, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, I BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES IN THE PAST WAS THE LACK OF AFFORDABILITY MM-HMM . FOR, BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE, UM, A COMM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE ELDERLY, UM, THEY WANNA MOVE TO AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, THEN THEY FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS, AND IT'S LIKE 10,000 A MONTH OR $20,000. THERE'S PEOPLE $20,000 A MONTH. WOULD THERE, AND I'VE IN THE PAST, UM, SUGGESTED THAT SOME, LIKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE UNITS OF AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY BE AFFORDABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A LOWER INCOME, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES, JUST LIKE WE HAVE A 10% OF REQUIREMENT FOR AFFORDABILITY, FOR, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FOR, FOR MULTIFAMILY HOMES. I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A NOT-FOR-PROFIT, THEN WE'RE, THEN WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY SOME SORT OF BENEFIT. SO, AND, AND WE'VE HAD THIS, THIS CONVERSATION BOTH WITH THIS APPLICATION AND, AND MANY OTHER APPLICATIONS. AND OF COURSE, THE, THE CHALLENGE TO, TO THAT OF APPLYING A RESIDENTIAL AFFORDABILITY MODEL TO A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, WHETHER IT BE A-C-C-R-C ASSISTED LIVING OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF, OF, OF FACILITY THAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE, IS, IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE PAYMENT IS ALSO FOR FOOD, MEDI MEDICATION, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, SERVICES, ET CETERA. MM-HMM . AND SO YOU CAN'T JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT THE, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL AFFORDABILITY. THAT BEING SAID, THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT THIS APPLICATION OR THIS APPLICANT IS, IS THAT, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE FEE, [01:00:01] THE, UH, UH, ENTRY FEE THAT IS CHARGED AT THE KNOWS VERSUS OTHER CCRC IN THE AREA, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER ALREADY. IT'S ALREADY BAKED INTO THE, THE, THE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IT IS NOW? SO I, I'LL GIVE YOU THE ACTUAL NUMBERS. YOU YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS IN THE REPORT. ALTHOUGH I'M, I'M CONCERNED THAT IN THE COVER LETTER IT SAID THAT THERE WERE FROM YEARS AGO, UH, IT WAS, IT WAS 20 20, 20 23 NUMBERS. BUT I HAVE THE MOST UPDATED NUMBERS, WHICH I THINK JUST DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO THE COVER LETTER. SO THE KNOWLES LOW ENTRY FEE IS, UH, $199,628. UM, THAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE Q FOR 20, 25 NUMBERS. AND WHAT DOES THAT GET YOU? UM, THAT THE ENTRY INTO THE, INTO THE, THE FACILITY ITSELF. A ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT, AND ONE BEDROOM APARTMENT. RIGHT? 'CAUSE THAT'S THE LOW FOR HOW LONG? THAT'S A MONTH. FOREVER. THAT'S THE ENTRY. THAT'S A PER, LIKE A PURCHASE. PURCHASE. IT'S A PURCHASE POINT. OH, IT'S NOT A RENTAL FEE. RIGHT. BUT LET ME, HOLD ON. BUT LET ME JUST FOR COMPARISON PURPOSES, THE, THE BROAD VIEW AT PURCHASE COLLEGE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE RELATIVELY NEW ONES, THEIR, THEIR LOW IS $725,000. UM, THE OSBORNE, THEIR LOW IS SIX HUNDRED THIRTY EIGHT, THREE HUNDRED $11. AND KENDALL ON THE HUDSON, WHICH IS MAYBE THE CLOSEST IS $330,000. RIGHT? SO, SO THE LOW ENTRY FEE ON FROM, FROM, UH, FROM THE NOELS COMPARED TO ALL OF THE OTHER CRCS IS FAR LOWER ALREADY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGHS, UM, THE HIGH ENTRY FEE FOR THE KNOWLES IS $874,437. AT BROAD VIEW, THE PURCHASE AT PURCHASE COLLEGE, IT'S 2.5 MILLION. UM, AT THE OSBORNE IT'S 2 MILLION, AND AT KENDALL IT'S 2 MILLION. SO WHAT DOES THAT GET YOU JUST IN, DO YOU JUST GET IN THE DOOR? SO WHAT ABOUT THE SERVICES? IS THERE ANY PAYMENT PER MONTH FOR MAINTENANCE? THERE IS, THERE, EVERYONE PAYS AN ENTRANCE FEE. UM, IT COULD EITHER BE REFUNDABLE, UM, WHEN THE, WHEN THE RESIDENT MOVES OUT OR PASSES AWAY, OR IT COULD BE DECLINING. UM, WHERE IT DECLINES 2% EACH MONTH. THERE IS A MONTHLY FEE, UM, PRIMARILY THAT'S FOR THE SERVICES, UM, THE MEALS AND, UM, HOUSEKEEPING ACTIVITIES, TRANSPORTATION, AND, UM, AND THE COST TO RUN THE BUILDING, OBVIOUSLY. WHAT'S THAT? WHAT, WHAT'S THE MONTHLY FEE? IT, IT, IT DEPENDS ON THE APARTMENT, UM, RANGE. UH, LET'S SAY ROUGH NUMBERS, UH, 4,000 GOING, UM, UP TO MAYBE FIVE, FIVE AND A HALF, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FOR WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? EXCUSE ME. FOR WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? A MONTH. A MONTH. SO, AND THAT INCLUDES THREE MEALS. ONE MEAL IN THE NURSING HOME. IT'S THREE MEALS. ASSISTED LIVING IS THREE MEALS. WELL, THEY BOTH HAVE THREE MEALS, YOU SAID. SO YOU PAY THE ENTRANCE FEE, AND THEN IT'S ABOUT FOUR OR $5,000 A MONTH, AND IT'S REFUNDABLE, UM, UP TO 90% OR DECLINING, DEPENDING ON THE KIND OF CONTRACT YOU PICK FEE. SO, UM, SO INTEGRATION FOR ME IS WHAT IF WHEN THEY RUN OUT OF MONEY, SOME PEOPLE GO IN, I BELIEVE, TOO EARLY INTO AN ASSISTED LIVING, AND THEN THEY RUN OUT OF MONEY AND THEY'RE MUCH WORSE OFF THAN THEY WERE WHEN THEY STARTED. WHAT HAPPENS, AT LEAST FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE WOULD NEVER THROW ANYBODY OUT OF ANY ONE OF OUR COMMUNITIES. WE'RE A NOT-FOR-PROFIT. UM, WE, WHAT HAPPENED IS WE WOULD, THEY WOULD PROBABLY ULTIMATELY MOVE INTO THE NURSING HOME AT THAT POINT. AND THEN WE APPLY FOR MEDICAID, AND THEN THEY CAN LIVE UNTIL THEY, UM, UNTIL THEY MOVE OUT, OR THEY PASS AWAY DEPENDING ON THEIR, THEIR SITUATION. BUT WE, WE HAVE NEVER EVER THROWN ANYONE OUT OF ANY OF OUR COMMUNITIES. AND WE WOULD NEVER GET, MEDICAID HAS A FIVE YEAR LOOK BACK, AND OBVIOUSLY THEY ADD A MILLION DOLLARS WITHIN THE FIVE YEARS, AND THEN THE INTEREST FEE, UM, WOULD GET PAID DOWN. WE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO USE THEIR, UM, 80% REFUND. SO LET'S SAY THAT 90% REFUND, WE WOULD APPLY THE RENT TOWARDS THAT REFUND. WE WOULD LET 'EM USE IT. UM, AND IF IT WAS DECLINING, THEN WE APPLY FOR MEDICAID. 'CAUSE AFTER 48 MONTHS, IT BECOMES ZERO BALANCE. AND THEN THEY WOULD, WE WOULD APPLY FOR MEDICAID. SO YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T THROW ANYBODY OUT? NEVER. THAT'S VERY POSITIVE. NEVER. WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT. IT'S REALLY WORTH NOTING THAT THE KNOWLES AS A-C-C-R-C IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN A FOR-PROFIT ASSISTED LIVING COMMUNITY. MM-HMM . THE, THE, THE WHOLE REAL ESTATE FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENT IS VASTLY DIFFERENT. UM, AND IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS, WE CAN HAPPILY PRESENT THAT AS PART OF OUR, OF OUR PRESENTATION. 'CAUSE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION. IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING OUT, YOU KNOW, IDEAS, UH, THAT POSSIBLY SAY RESIDENTS OF GREENBURG OR, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE, THIS NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD COULD GET EVEN LIKE A DISCOUNT IF THEY, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M SAYING, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE COULD DO SO WE COULD SAY THERE'S A REAL, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF PEOPLE FROM THE BRONX AND NEW YORK CITY, YOU KNOW, COMING [01:05:01] HERE, IF WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, WE'RE GOING TO AS PART OF, YOU KNOW, THIS, OR FOR, UM, ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO WANT, WHO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, A DISCOUNT, UM, DISCOUNT RATES. BECAUSE THEN I FEEL, YOU KNOW, IT'S ANOTHER LITTLE THING THAT COULD MAKE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD. CAN I SAY SOMETHING, MR. THAT IS A NICE, THAT WOULD BE A NICE PERK. BUT ALSO CONSIDER THAT MAYBE SOMEONE FROM THE BRONX COMES UP HERE BECAUSE THEIR SON AND SON LIVES IN THE, IN GREENBURG. YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S, THROW THAT WHERE IT BECOMES A SLIPPERY OURSELVES. WE STILL HAVE TO, TOO BAD, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROPOSAL GROUND IS, BUT MAYBE A DISCOUNT FOR, UH, FOR RESIDENT, FOR, FOR GREENBERG. MAYBE YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT. BUT I DO WANNA POINT OUT WE ARE 15 MINUTES BEHIND. I, I JUST WANNA MENTION THAT, SAY I'VE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS FOR, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, UH, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I JUST, YOU KNOW, KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE ELDERLY AND I KNOW PEOPLE WHO BASICALLY ARE LOOKING AT A, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CALL ME SAYING THEY'RE, THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT'S AFFORDABLE. UM, AND THEY WANT OPTIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SAY, LOOK, IF THE TOWN IS DOING SOMETHING AND WE'RE WORKING, UH, WITH YOU, THAT WE'RE GETTING A REALLY GREAT DEAL FOR RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE TOWN, THAT'S BASICALLY, AND WE SET UP A, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING TO SET UP A MEETING ABOUT THE FUTURE. I'D BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU RATHER THAN, SO LET'S DISCUSS, LET'S GO OUT ON THE NEXT STEPS. OKAY, GREAT. SO THE NEXT PROCESS STEP IS INDEED A PUBLIC HEARING. UM, BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS GREAT VALUE HERE. YOUR COMMENTS WERE HELPFUL GOING INTO PLANNING FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING. THERE ARE SOME TECHNICAL ANALYSIS. UM, THERE'S SOME COORDINATION STILL WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND ENGINEERING. UH, I'LL ALLOW SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF STORM WATER. SO WE'RE GONNA BUILD ON THAT, UM, AND, AND HAVE THAT, UM, MORE COMPLETE BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT THE NEXT STOP IS INDEED A PUBLIC HEARING. AND, UM, KEEP THE TOWN BOARD POSTED ON WHEN THAT RESOLUTION WILL COME UP TO SET IT UP. BUT, UM, I THINK WE'RE CLOSE AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM RESIDENTS. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU. I THINK DO THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US, IF UPDATED THERE WAS A RESPONSE TO YOUR RESPONSES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR RESPONSE TO THEIR RESPONSE. TO YOUR RESPONSE. WELL, UH, . SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT COULD KEEP ON GOING ON IN, IN INFANT ADAM, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE IT. WELL, WHAT I WOULD SAY, WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT, ABOUT THOSE RESPONSES IS, UM, NOT ALL, NOT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THERE WAS, WAS, WAS ACCURATE, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT STAFF ASKS US TO CLARIFY SOMETHING BASED ON, ON ANY OF THE COMMENTS, WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE, BY THE WAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO, IT'S A VERY LONG RECORD. I RECOGNIZE IT. AND, BUT, UH, ANY SINGLE TIME A RESIDENT SENT, SENT IN A COMMENT THAT STAFF OR THE BOARD SAID, WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO LOOK INTO. WE HAVE, IT'S NOT AS IF WE'RE JUST BLOWING IT OFF. I'M SAYING THE LAST WORD WE HAVE IS NOT YOURS. SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW GOING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING, WHERE DO WE CONCENTRATE OUR QUESTIONS? OTHERWISE, THIS CON THIS PUBLIC HEARING COULD GO ON FOR MONTHS. YEAH. THE, THE, AND, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO, TO PROVIDE RESPONSES. WHAT, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M HIGHLIGHTING NOW IS, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC JUST JUST PUT IN COMMENTS TO PUT IN COMMENTS, AND, AND, AND THE APPLICANT IS, IS TOLD, JUST KEEP ON RESPONDING. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT GONNA BE HELPFUL FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD OR, OR THE PROCESS EITHER. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HAVE LIKE AN INFORMED, WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST TO HAVE LIKE INFORMAL MEETINGS WITH SAY, BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH RESIDENTS? WE, WE HAD THAT AND, AND IT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE. AND THEN AFTER THAT, UH, A, A LETTER CAME IN THAT SAID, WE WANT THE PROJECT TO BE DENIED. UH, AND HAS, HAS ACTUALLY SAID SOME, SOME PRETTY, UH, UNREASONABLE THINGS ABOUT THE APPLICANT ITSELF AND THAT THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALWAYS SAID WE'RE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN, BUT IF, IF WE'RE SITTING DOWN WHERE IT'S JUST TO, TO NEIGHBORS THAT ARE JUST SAYING, WE JUST DON'T WANNA SEE THE PROJECT HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE PRODUCTIVE. WHEN WAS THAT MEETING? UH, THE MEETING WAS WAS, UH, I THINK IN, I DON'T IN AUGUST, RIGHT? IT WAS, IT WAS, WE MET WITH YOU IN JUNE. WE THEN MET WITH THE, WITH THE PLANNING BOARD. WE THEN MET WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS, AND THEN THE, THE, THE REVISED, UH, A SITE PLAN WAS, WAS PROPOSED. UM, BUT NOW YOU'VE REVISED IT AND YOU'VE MOVED THE SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING. YES. RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN THEY CUT DOWN ALL THE TREES. YEAH. SEE, AND UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE JUST, I'LL JUST, BUT THE, THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT'S NOT WHAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S PROPOSED. RIGHT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I FEEL IF WE THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK VERY MUCH THANK, LEMME SAY NOBODY INTERRUPTS ME. UH, BASICALLY ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT I FEEL THAT IF WE HAD SOME MEETINGS, AND I'D BE WILLING TO EVEN PARTICIPATE IN IT, IF YOU WANT, UM, WITH, WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS BEFORE THE HEARING, AND WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DIALOGUE, MAYBE WE COULD GET CLOSER. BECAUSE IN THE PAST, LIKE FRANCIS SAID, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HEARINGS AND IT GOES, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER HEARING, AND THEN IT GOES ANOTHER HEARING, AND THERE'S, [01:10:01] IT GOES ON FOR MONTHS. AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT IF WE COULD SIT DOWN, UM, BEFORE AND SEE IF WE COULD WORK OUT SOME OF THE DETAILS AND HAVE GIVE AND TAKE AND COMPROMISES, THEN WE COULD GO INTO THE HEARING AND MAYBE THE COMMUNITY WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, THIS IS THE BEST POSSIBLE DEAL AND WE GOT THE BEST. ARE YOU TALKING TO THEM OR ARE YOU TALKING TO THE I'M TALKING TO EVERYBODY. NEIGHBORS. OKAY. YEAH. I'M TALKING TO THE NEIGHBORS AND I'M TALKING TO, UH, YOU AND I'M TALKING TO TERRY. I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S A BETTER CHANCE THAT WE COULD GET RESULTS, BECAUSE I KNOW, I REMEMBER WITH THE AVALON IN, IN, IN EAST IRVINGTON, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS REALLY OPPOSED TO IT. THEY, THEY WANT, THEY BUILT 700, THEY WANTED 700 UNITS OF, OF, UH, HOUSING. THE EAST IRVINGTON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MET WITH THE DEVELOPER. AND BY TIME THE PROCESS, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCLUDED, THEY WERE CRITICAL OF ME FOR TAKING TOO LONG, APPROVING THE PROJECT BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH GIVE AND TAKE, AND THE TRUST WAS REALLY GREAT. AND I JUST SORT OF FEEL THAT, UM, THE SAME THING COULD HAPPEN HERE. I I REALLY, YOU KNOW, AND YOU COULD TRY IT AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, THEN YOU LOST NOTHING. OKAY. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. I, I DON'T, I, I, I DON'T WANNA TAKE THE BOARD'S TIME UP ANYTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M MY FAVORITE CANDY. BLESS. HOT TAMALES. OH, SIGNATURE TIME HERE. THIS THANK YOU MS. CUP. IS THIS YOURS? THAT'S ME, YES. OKAY. OPEN SPACE. OH, HERE, CANDY. I GOT, I GOTTA, I GOTTA TRY THAT. ALRIGHT. , HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHO THIS IS FOR. OH, OKAY. SHE WAS VERY SAD ABOUT THIS STORY OR SOMETHING. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. WHO, WHO WAS SAD? WHO WAS SAD? I THOUGHT THEY SAID THERE WAS NO HISTORIC, IT'S LIKES IT A DONE DEAL. JOY . OKAY. SOMETIMES. OKAY. THERE'S STILL HISTORIC BOARD'S, STILL REVIEWING THE PROJECT. ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S A VERY OLD BUILDING, BUT, UM, IT'S DEMOLISHED. THERE'S A, UM, PROPER WAY TO DO IT. MM-HMM . THE HISTORIC COURT IS INVOLVED IN THAT. AND THIS IS THE HISTORIC BUILDING, NOT THE SHED. YES. NOT, I DON'T WANNA MISREPRESENT THAT THIS HISTORIC COURT WOULD LIKE THE HOUSE TO STAY. YOU JUST HEARD FROM THEM THAT IT'S INFEASIBLE THAT'S IN SUCH BAD SHAPE. YEAH. AND WHAT'S, SO WE'RE TALKING NOW, UM, BRIEF ON ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT UPDATE BRIEF. OKAY. UNLESS YOU WANNA DIVE DEEP. IT'S UP TO Y'ALL. . LET, I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE CAN STOP MOVING IT ALONE. SO YEAH, THE HEARING CONTINUES ON THE 25TH. YEAH. YES. 25TH. OKAY, GREAT. OH MY GOSH. COUNCILMAN SHEHAN HAS RETURNED. SO WE CAN PROBABLY RESUME. YOU'RE ALL FRESHENED UP NOW? YES. I ANNOUNCED IT EVERY TIME YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. JOY, JOY, JOY. OKAY. SO I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT UPDATE, AND THE LAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT THE TOWN BOARD HELD WAS ON DECEMBER 10TH, 2025. AND THERE'S ANOTHER SCHEDULED, CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING SET FOR FEBRUARY 25TH. SO, UH, TWO WEEKS FROM TOMORROW. AND THE REASON I'M HERE NOW IS TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THE STATUS OF THE LOCAL LAW AND UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT THE TOWN BOARD [01:15:01] SUPPORTS ANY FURTHER CHANGES. AND IF SO, WE'LL IDENTIFY THOSE CHANGES. DATE ON IT. THERE'S NO DATE. I'M ASKING WHAT IS THE DATE OF THIS THING? UM, THE, THE DATE I NAMED THAT IS, UM, TODAY'S DATE. TODAY'S DATE. YES. IT WAS PREPARED FOR THE DISCUSSION PURPOSES TODAY. UH, AND I, I CAN PUT A STAMP ON THERE NEXT TIME. THAT'S, I NEED TO START DOING THAT. YES, YOU DO. . SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FOLLOWING THE DECEMBER 10TH PUBLIC HEARING AT WHICH THE, THE, THE LOCAL LAW POSTED FOR THAT MEETING, UH, DID LOWER THE, UH, LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT DOWN TO 7,500 FEET. BUT THAT WAS, UH, IF AND ONLY IF THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WAS CONTAINED WITHIN THE EXISTING ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE FOLLOWING THAT HEARING. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TOWN BOARD, UM, HAD INTEREST IN POTENTIALLY, UH, LOWERING, SIMILARLY LOWERING THE STANDARD TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET IF AND ONLY IF AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT WAS CONTAINED WITHIN, UH, AN EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE, THAT'S NOT PROPOSED TO BE EXPANDED. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE BOARD WANTED TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW PREVALENT IS THAT SITUATION, THAT SCENARIO, IF YOU LOWERED A 7,500 SQUARE FEET, YOU WANTED TO GET A GOOD SENSE OF HOW MANY SUCH, UM, DETACHED GARAGES ARE THERE. AND LASTLY, UM, UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S SOME MODIFICATIONS THAT COULD BE MADE TO THE LAW TO ADDRESS, UM, THE FACT THAT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, DRIVEWAYS MAY NEED TO BE EXPANDED. AND THE BOARD SOUGHT MECHANISMS THAT WOULD, UM, KEEP COMMUNITY CHARACTER IN PLACE TO THE GREAT EXTENT POSSIBLE, UM, WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT DRIVEWAYS COULD POTENTIALLY BE EXPANDED. SO WITH THAT, WHAT I DID IN THE INTERIM IS, UM, IN, IN, IN THE ASSESSOR'S DEPARTMENT HAS AMAZING RECORDS AS FAR AS, UM, OFFSITE FEATURES. AND THIS WAS DONE AS PART OF THE, UH, TOWN WIDE REVAL. SO, UM, ALL 9,000 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE TOWN, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG UNINCORPORATED. WE HAVE THE DATA ON WHICH OF THOSE HOMES HAVE DETACHED ACCESSORY GARAGE. WE ALSO HAVE DATA ON THE LOT SIZE. WE HAVE DATA ON EXACTLY WHICH ZONING DISTRICT THEY'RE IN. SO, UM, THAT'S INFORMATION THAT I ONLY REALIZED IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, BUT ONCE I, WE HAD THAT DATA AT OUR FINGERTIPS, A LOT OF THE INQUIRIES YOU ASKED, WE WERE ABLE, I FEEL, TO DELIVER AND GIVE YOU GOOD INFORMATION. SO, UM, SOME OF THE NUMBERS ARE AS FOLLOWS. SO AGAIN, THERE'S ROUGHLY 9,000 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE TOWN. UH, IT TURNS OUT ONCE WE FILTER OUT THE, UM, ACCE DETACHED ACCESSORY GARAGES THAT ARE UNDER 400 SQUARE FEET, BECAUSE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, OR I'M SORRY, THE MINIMUM SIZE FOR AN A D IS 400 SQUARE FEET. ONCE WE FILTER THOSE OUT, THAT REMAINS WITH 325 DETACHED GARAGES TOWN WIDE. SO IT'S A LOT. BUT COMPARATIVELY WITH NOT ON THE ORDER NINE ON 7,500 SQUARE FOOT, NO, THAT'S JUST TOTAL, THAT'S TOTAL. AND THAT'S ON THE ORDER OF, UM, 9,000 HOMES. SO 325 TOTAL, UH, ACCESSORY DETACHED GARAGES THAT ARE, UM, OVER 400 SQUARE FEET. WE THEN RAN AN ANALYSIS OF HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE ON A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 10,000, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE BASELINE LOCAL LAW THAT THE TOWN BOARD HAD AT ITS DISPOSAL. AND FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION ON DECEMBER 10TH, THAT NUMBER, UH, WAS 200, UH, 42. WE THEN WENT THROUGH THE EXERCISE TO SAY, IF THE TOWN BOARD LOWERED THE STANDARD FROM 10,000 TO 7,500, HOW MANY ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY, UM, GARAGES WOULD THAT INCLUDE? AND IN FACT, IT ADDS, IT ADDS 20. SO THERE'S A TOTAL POOL OF 262 GARAGES, UM, I BELIEVE THAT COULD BE CONVERTED, THAT THEY'RE ELIGIBLE BASED ON, UM, LOT SIZE AND THE WAY THE LOCAL LAW'S STRUCTURED. WE THEN FURTHER BROKE IT DOWN TO GET A SENSE OF, UM, HOW MANY OF THESE GARAGES ARE, UM, ON LOTS THAT ARE BETWEEN 70 510,000 SQUARE FEET. WE FELT THAT THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER TO UNDERSTAND AND THEN FURTHER FILTERED DOWN BASED ON, UM, ZONING DISTRICTS R FIVE AND R SEVEN FIVE. UM, SO NINE OF THE 262 ARE IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT, AND ONE OF THOSE NINE, UH, ARE BETWEEN 70 510,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIZES. THE OTHER EIGHT ARE ACTUALLY UP, UP ON LARGER LOT SIZES. AND THAT'S A FACT. THERE ARE SOME LARGE, LARGE LOTS IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT. YOU SAY ONE IS BETWEEN ONE, UH, ONE IS BETWEEN 7,500. OH, YES, ABSOLUTELY. SO ARE YOU WRITING ALL THIS DOWN? YES, I WAS. YOU GOTTA MEMORIZE IT. SO, OKAY. YOU DID SEND SOMETHING, THE PACKAGE THAT I SENT OUT IN, IN PREP FOR THIS MEETING DOES HAVE, I SHOULD HAVE PREFACED IT. DON'T FEEL, UH, OBLIGATED TO SCRAMBLE ALL THESE NUMBERS DOWN BECAUSE I, SOMETIMES, OF COURSE I TALK QUICK SOMETIMES, BUT, UM, ULTIMATELY THE, THE, THE LONG CONCLUSION IS, UM, [01:20:02] BY LOWERING THE STANDARD TO 7,500, IF THE TOWN BOARD WERE SO INCLINED, YOU'RE ADDING A POOL OF 20 ACCESSORY GARAGE. IT'S NOT A NUMBER THAT I, I WOULD'VE GUESSED IT WOULD'VE BEEN HIGHER, BUT, UM, IT, IT, THE NUMBER IS 20. UM, ASIDE FROM THAT, UH, THERE WAS SOME EXPLORATION OF LANGUAGE, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE ON THE PROPERTY LINE OR WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE? THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE SPREADSHEET THAT I WORKED OFF DOES NOT HAVE. OH, COME ON GARY . BUT IT SHOULD BE A GOOD DRIVE. MM-HMM. HAVING SAID THAT, IF IT'S IN THE R FIVE, I THINK A WORKING ASSUMPTION COULD BE THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY THE CHANCE THAT THOSE DRIVEWAYS COULD BE THE PROPERTY LINE. WELL, ONE OF THE FIRST PICTURES YOU PULLED UP WAS AN ENORMOUS GARAGE RIGHT? ON THE PROPERTY LINE. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. UM, SO THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS WITH RESPECT TO THE POSSIBILITY OF LOWERINGS TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET, THAT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE, UM, ELIGIBLE ADDITIONAL POOL OF, OF CONVERSIONS IN GARAGES AND GROWING TO 10,000, 7,500 FEET. WE ADDITIONALLY EXPLORED LANGUAGE, UM, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE PROSPECT OF WIDENING A DRIVEWAY. UM, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE R 75, UH, DISTRICT HAS ZERO LOT LINE SETBACK. SO LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE DRAFTED FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UH, IS IN SECTION EIGHT. AND IT READS AS FOLLOWS. I MEAN, THESE CHANGES ARE IN HERE. YES, IT'S THE RED, BUT, BUT IN SHORT, IN THE R FIVE AND R SEVEN FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, FOR THOSE ADUS ON A LOT SIZE, SECTION EIGHT, WHAT NUMBER? UH, OFF STREET PARKING. YES. AND, UM, ADUS ON LOT SIZES OF 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER, UH, DRIVEWAY SETBACKS AND IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE AREAS MUST CONFORM TO THE RELATED PROVISIONS OF THE SEVEN FIVE DISTRICT. SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT DOES IS IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT, IT UP ZONES THE LOT IN BULK REQUIREMENTS TO R SEVEN FIVE, UM, TO ENSURE SOME MINIMUM SETBACK AND THAT, UM, DRIVEWAYS AREN'T EXPANDED. WHERE ARE YOU READING? WHERE ARE YOU? PAGE SEVEN. PAGE SEVEN, TOP OF THE PAGE. OH, I WAS, OKAY, NUMBER EIGHT. UH, PAGE SEVEN AND THEN EIGHT IS OFF STREET PARKING. NOW, UH, I THINK WHOEVER PRINT, HOLLY MAY HAVE PRINTED THAT OUT. IT'S NOT, UM, COLOR IN, BUT IT'S THE BOTTOM PARAGRAPH ON EIGHT OFF STREET PARKING. OH YEAH, SHE, I WAS LOOKING FOR ANYTHING IN COLOR FOR US. , HAVE YOU SAID THAT YOUR EMAILS DO HAVE EVERYTHING IN COLOR? OKAY. SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE. GOOD TO KNOW. YEAH. THAT'LL MAKE IT EASIER TO SEE THE CHANGES. SO ON SEVEN, LOOKING AT WHAT, UH, STARTING ABOUT SEVEN LINES UP WHERE IT SAYS IN THE R FIVE AND R SEVEN FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS NUMBER EIGHT. YEAH. IT'S JUST WHERE IN NUMBER EIGHT? MID, MID, MID MIDWAY DOWN. UM, THE INTENT WITH THESE CHANGES IS TO UP ZONE, UH, THE R FIVE TO R SEVEN FIVE FROM A LOT IN BULK PERSPECTIVE. AND, UH, IT PUTS SIMILAR PROTECTIONS AS, UH, THE R SEVEN FIVE DISTRICT HAS AND IT DOES REMOVE THE PRIOR EXPRESS PROHIBITION AGAINST, UH, WIDENING IN THE FRONT. BUT IT, UM, HAS LANGUAGE SUCH AS, UH, EXHIBITING EXIST, UH, CONSISTENCY IN THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD WITH PREFERENCE GIVEN TO LIMITING DRIVEWAY EXPANSIONS WITH WITHIN A FRONT YARD, ESPECIALLY IN THE FRONT OF THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING. AND THAT LANGUAGE IS CONSISTENT WITH LANGUAGE THAT HAS, UM, BEEN IN THE LOCAL LAW SINCE VERY EARLY ON. MM-HMM . ANY OTHER CHANGE THAT I MENTIONED IS ON PAGE FIVE, LOT TWO AND ALL THAT IS, IS IT FOLLOWS THROUGH ON WHAT I INDICATED ABOUT LOWERING THE LOT SIZE TO 7,500 FOR GARAGE CONVERSIONS. YOU'RE OF COURSE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO THAT. IF YOU DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S PRUDENT, YOU DON'T WANT TO ADVERTISE THAT FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 25TH. UM, YOU JUST LET ME KNOW. BUT IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH AD ADVERTISING THIS FOR THE LOCAL LAW, UH, IT WILL SPUR DISCUSSION. IT, IT'LL SPUR DISCUSSION AWARE NOW AND YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO IT. UM, PAGE FIVE, UH, UNDER TWO LOT SIZE MM-HMM . IT'S THE, UH, CONCLUDING PORTION OF THE PARAGRAPH MM-HMM . TO ENSURE THAT THE LOCAL LAW IS VERY CONSISTENT. UM, IT STILL MAINTAINS 20,000 FOR THE DETACHED, UM, ACCESSORY. A D THAT ARE MANDATED TO BE IN A BACKYARD, UH, STILL ASSIGNS, UM, MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 10,000 IF YOU EXPAND YOUR HOUSE AND HAVE AN A DU, UH, [01:25:01] DOES LOWER TO 7,500, UM, WHEN IT'S WITHIN THE HOUSE. AND THEN THIS, THIS LAST MOVING PART, IF YOU WILL, UM, SEEKING YOUR DIRECTION IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WOULD BE TO, UH, ALLOW THE 7,500 WITHIN AN EXISTING DETACHED GARAGE, PROVIDED THAT IT'S NOT EXPANDED AND, AND WOULD HAVE THE ONE YEAR SUNSET. YES. THE SUNSET CLAUSE IS STILL THERE. SO WE WOULD TOGETHER REVISIT THE LAW BASED ON THE SUCCESS OR NOT. AND THE EXPERIENCE IS HAD BY RESIDENTS, STAFF, AND THE PORTS. SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A GARAGE IN AN OUR, IN A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, BUT IT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE, DOES EIGHT PRECLUDE THEM FROM HAVING AN A DU? BECAUSE WE'RE USING 7.5 SETBACKS CAN BE IN THE, UH, NEED TO BE 7,500 SQUARE FOOT. SO IF IT'S IN THE, I THINK YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S IN THE R FIVE BUT HAS 7,500 UH, SQUARE FEET. RIGHT. AND YOU'RE SAYING IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS, IS IS LEGALLY ON THE PROPERTY LINE, ARE YOU'RE ASKING, UH, DOES THIS LOCAL LAW, UH, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. IT SAYS MUST AND SIR CONFORM TO R 7.5. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO THINK ABOUT AND PERHAPS DISCUSS WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. I THINK MY INTUITION IS THAT THE INTENT WOULD BE TO NOT ALLOW EXPANSIONS IN A WAY THAT BRINGS SOMETHING MORE NON-CONFORMING. UM, I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENDED TO PRECLUDE EXISTING SCENARIOS. UM, SEE, THIS IS WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO STUDY OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR. I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA BE ADOPTING THIS LAST NOVEMBER, BUT THEN WE GOT INTO, YOU KNOW, THE WEEDS WITH THIS, RIGHT? BUT I MEAN, THE, IF, IF SOMEBODY IS IN AN R FIVE AND THEY CAN BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE DRIVEWAY CAN BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE, THE GARAGE COULD BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE, AND WE ARE NOW ADDING THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT ONLY HAVING AN A DU IN THE HOUSE, WHICH I THOUGHT WE SUPPORTED, BUT ALSO IN A GARAGE THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT IS A POTENTIAL FOR AN IMPACT THAT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. AND YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, IT'S A GARAGE THERE ANYWAY, BUT THERE'S NO MUSIC IN A GARAGE. GENERALLY THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING BASICALLY A DWELLING ON A PROPERTY LINE RIGHT NEXT TO A NEIGHBOR AND THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING OR ANYTHING. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA STOP. I HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE, I KNOW THAT ZERO LOT LINE TO A GARAGE, I'M SORRY, TO THE DRIVEWAY, UH, OFF STREET PARKING AREA. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE GARAGE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES HAVE A SETBACK REQUIREMENT IN THE R FIVE. UM, SO WE WOULD, IT'S PROBABLY NOT EXCESSIVE, BUT, UM, I'D HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP ON E CODE. THE DRIVEWAY IS DEFINITELY ZERO. THAT'S A FACT. I, THERE MIGHT BE A A, A EXCESSIVE, I DOUBT IF THEY HAVE A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES LIKE THIS TO GET TO THE GARAGE, RIGHT? YEAH, I, I THINK, I DON'T, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THERE'S A ZERO, UH, LOT LINES ZERO SIDE YARD SETBACK ON A GARAGE. UH, THE ONE YOU SHOWED ME WAS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. NO, I'M SAYING SOME EXIST AND PERHAPS THEY, UH, EITHER RECEIVED A VARIANCE, BUT I'LL HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. BUT, UM, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING SOME OF THIS NEEDED TO BE STUDIED. ALRIGHT. HOW WAS THAT LAST THING YOU MENTIONED? UH, THAT WAS ON PAGE FIVE FIVE AND THAT'S, UH, UNDER LOT SIZE. AND, UM, THE LATTER PORTION OF THAT PARAGRAPH, UH, NUMBER TWO LOT SIZE PROPOSES TO LOWER LOT SIZE TO 7,500 FOR THE, UM, LAWFULLY EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO BE CONVERTED TO AN A DU. THE NEW LANGUAGE IS STARTING WHERE WHEN AN A DU, THE NEW LANGUAGE, UM, FOURTH, FIFTH LINE UP OR PROPOSED WITHIN A LAWFULLY EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO BE CONVERTED TO AN A DU WHERE NO RELATED EXPANSION IS PROPOSED TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. WHAT NUMBER WERE WE LOOKING AT? UH, NUMBER TWO, PAGE FIVE. UH, TWO. OKAY. JUST FINDING FOUR YET, WHEREAS BEFORE THAT, THAT ONLY WAS AFFORDED TO AN A DU WITHIN THE HOME, IT'S [01:30:01] NOW BEEN PROPOSED TO BE EXPANDED TO, UH, ACCESSORY, UH, GARAGE. THIS. OKAY. UM, WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE TO USE A GARAGE TO REHEARSE BANDS AND DO WE HAVE ANY CODES AGAINST THAT NOISE ORDINANCE? YEAH, SO DO WE SO HOURLY? YEAH. NOISE ORDINANCE AND THE DECALS, YOU KNOW, KIDS HAVE GARAGE BANDS, THEY PRACTICE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN FRANCIS MENTIONED MUSIC, I WAS JUST THINKING HOW WOULD THAT, UM, IS THERE SOMETHING ALREADY PROHIBITING NOISE IN GARAGES? YEAH. YEP. UM, NOISE DECIMALS AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND IT'S AT THE PROPERTY LINE. YEAH. IT'S NOT GONNA BE, AND THE ISSUE, WHICH IS WHY I REALLY WANTED TO STUDY THIS IN PAST WHAT WE'VE HAD IN NOVEMBER, BUT THE, THE ISSUE IS THAT IF IT'S AT ZERO, THEN THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD POSSIBLY MITIGATE THE NOISE IS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR NOW BEING RESPONSIBLE TO PUT IN LANDSCAPING TO BLOCK THE NOISE BECAUSE THERE'S NO ROOM ON THE PERSON WHO HAS THE A D AT THE PROPERTY LINE FROM PROVIDING ANY MITIGATION. ALRIGHT, SO MAYBE I, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. DO WE HAVE AN EXISTING, UH, ORDINANCE WHERE, WHAT IS THE ORDINANCE FOR, FOR, WELL, FOR, FOR AN, THE USE OF A GARAGE. WHATEVER YOU DO IN THE GARAGE. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S HOURLY. A BAND, A BAND PLAYING IN A GARAGE IS WHAT THE QUESTION WAS, RIGHT? THE ANSWER IS YES. THERE'S A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD LIKELY PROHIBIT THAT IF IT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE YOU MEASURE THE NOISE AT THE PROPERTY LINE, UNLESS THEY MAKE IT A SOUNDPROOF GARAGE, WHICH NOBODY HAS. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND HAVE WE EVER HAD ANY VIOLATIONS LIKE THAT? WE WE HAD A LOT OF PA LOT OF CALLS OVER THE YEARS FROM TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. PEOPLE WILL SAY SOMEBODY'S HAVING A PARTY OR WHATEVER. WELL, THAT'S NOT, NO, I'M SAYING IT'S, IT'S SORT OF THE SAME TYPE OF THING. SOMEBODY HAS AN A DU AND THEY HAVE A PARTY IN THEIR HOME, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, IT COULD BE NOISY. YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET A SERIES OF COMPLAINTS AND THEY CALL THE POLICE AND IF, UH, THE DECIBEL LEVELS ARE EXCEED, THEN BASICALLY THEY COULD BE ISSUED UP. THEY COULD, THE POLICE WILL ASK THEM TO STOP. YEAH. OR ISSUE A SUMMONS. NO, THE, THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE IF, YOU KNOW, PRESUMABLY IF NORMAL ACTIVITIES ARE HAPPENING NOW, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN MM-HMM . UM, BUT IF NORMAL ACTIVITIES ARE HAPPENING IN A, A DWELLING WITHOUT EXCESSIVE NOISE, ANYTHING CAN BE, RIGHT NOW YOU COULD BE HAVING DIFFERENT KINDS OF ACTIVITIES IN YOUR GARAGE. THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE SAWING, YOU COULD BE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, DOING SOME, YOU KNOW, HANDY WORK, WHATEVER. UM, IF THE NOISE IS GONNA BE EXCESSIVE, IT'S GOING TO BE A VIOLATION ANYWAY, WHETHER IT'S AN A DU OR NOT. RIGHT? SO THE GARAGE HAS A WINDOW, THE WINDOW OPENS UP AND TWO INCHES OUTSIDE THAT WINDOW IS THE NEXT PROPERTY AND THEY'RE WATCHING TELEVISION, WHATEVER. MM-HMM . THAT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING. MM-HMM . RIGHT? THAT'S WHY WHEN I SUGGESTED THAT WE PASS THE VERSION THAT WAS INTERIOR FIRST AND LOOK AT THIS KIND OF MINUTIA OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, WE WOULD'VE BEEN FOUR MONTHS INTO IT ALREADY. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED. 'CAUSE I MEAN, I DIDN'T SUPPORT PUTTING THESE THINGS INTO, I DIDN'T THINK WE VOTED TO PUT THESE THINGS INTO THE PROPOSAL THAT'S GOING TO A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT'S IN HERE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT AND I, I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT JUST BECAUSE NOISE MIGHT HAPPEN IN A GARAGE THAT HASN'T BEEN CONVERTED DOESN'T FOR ME JUSTIFY THEN THEREFORE ALLOWING IT WHAT WE CAN, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS RATHER THAN SAY, OKAY, IT HAPPENED. HE IN THIS INSTANCE, SO IT'S OKAY TO HAPPEN IN THAT INSTANCE, I THINK IS THE WRONG WAY TO APPROACH IT. WELL, WE DON'T TELL PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMEOWNERS, YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS AMOUNT OF NOISE IF YOUR PRO IF YOUR HOUSE IS ON THE PROPERTY LINE EITHER. YES, WE DO. NO, NOT IF IT'S EX EXCESSIVE NOISE. IF IT'S AN EXCESSIVE NOISE, ANYONE GETS IT BY NOBODY. NOBODY HAS A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. YEAH. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT JUSTIFIES US SAYING, WELL THEN IT'S OKAY, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT. WHY WOULD WE ALLOW A DWELLING? NO, I'M SAYING THAT THAT DWELLING AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEXT, THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, RIGHT? BEING, UM, AFFECTED BY IT. NO, YOU'RE SAYING IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE MM-HMM . AND IT'S ON THE PROPERTY LINE MM-HMM . THERE'S NO CODE THAT ALLOWS A HOUSE TO BE ON THE PROPERTY LINE. SO THEN SOME SORT OF DISTANCE, CAN WE MANDATE SOME SORT OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THE, WELL, IF THEY'RE EXISTING, WE, RIGHT, YOU CAN DO A NUMBER [01:35:01] OF THINGS. YOU CAN POST THE SAME LAW FROM DECEMBER 10TH, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO THIS. UM, YOU CAN POST THIS. AND IF YOU DO POST THIS, I GET THE SENSE YOU WANT A LITTLE MORE DATA. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE ARE ONLY 20. SO, UM, AND AT THAT NINE OF THOSE 20 ADDITIONAL BY GOING DOWN TO 7,500, UH, SQUARE FEET ARE IN THE R FIVE. SO, UM, THAT'S NOT A TREMENDOUS NUMBER. THOSE CAN BE LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY AND GET AN ANALYSIS OF HOW MANY OF THOSE NINE ARE, ARE RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. IF ALL NINE ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE, THEN MAYBE THERE'S NOT A LEVEL OF COMFORT TO ALLOW THAT SCENARIO AND WE CAN TAILOR THE LAW TO ADDRESS THAT. SO LEMME GET BACK TO YOU WITH THAT DATA THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK. UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. THE THE THING THAT I FIND SORT OF INTERESTING ABOUT YOUR PROPOSAL THOUGH, IS THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW, UM, ADUS IN YOUR GARAGE, YOU KNOW, IN GARAGES, UM, IT, THERE'S MORE OF A CHANCE THAT SOMETHING COULD ACTUALLY HAPPEN BECAUSE THE EXPENSE OF BUILDING SOMETHING FROM SCRATCH IS GONNA BE, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE MAYBE SOMETHING THAT IS DOABLE AND PE YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, BE WILLING TO DO THE CONVERSION BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, PROHIBITED. IT'S PREVALENT. RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS THE TOWN BOARD HAS ALWAYS OFFERED. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF ON WHAT LAWN SIZE. BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. MOST GARAGE DON'T HAVE SEWER AND WATER GOING TO IT. THEY MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE ELECTRICITY GOING THROUGH. WELL, PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE REASONS WHY THE ADU HAVEN'T BEEN, YOU KNOW, WHY THERE'S NOT LIKE, NOT WAITING LIST ALL IS BECAUSE OF EXPENSES. WELL, ADUS FOR GARAGES FOR SURE, BUT HAVING THE, UH, DETACHED GARAGES, BUT HAVING A, UM, HAVING CONVERSION IN A HOUSE AND, AND CREATING AN A DU WITHIN THE HOUSE WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE POWER AND WATER IS, IS DIFFERENT. SO ONE THAT WOULD CERTAINLY OFFSET. 'CAUSE THAT'S A BIG EXPENSE. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE IT NECESSARILY LESS EXPENSIVE. ISN'T THERE NOW SOME GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO DO THE ADUS, THE STATE IS TRYING TO ENCOURAGE IT. ARE THERE GRANTS? GARRETT? YES. THERE, THERE ARE PROGRAMS THAT MUNICIPALITIES CAN OPT INTO. UM, AND IF, IF SO, THEN YES, THERE'S SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING. SI THINK DOPPS FER TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT AND I THINK HASTINGS MIGHT HAVE, I KNOW DOPPS FERRY DID, AND EVEN AT THAT, I THINK THE NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE, IT'S STILL VERY LOW. STILL SUPER LOW. OKAY. AND YOU STILL NEED, ALRIGHT, GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT GARRETT. GOOD NIGHT. AND ALSO THAT'S A GOOD POINT THAT YOU JUST REALLY GOOD POINT. YOU STILL NEED, UH, YOU STILL NEED PLANNING BOARD, UH, TO APPROVE ALL THIS, RIGHT? YES. SO IF THEY, SO IF, UH, IF WE DID THIS, UH, AND SOMEBODY HAS AN APPLICATION, THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE PROCESS AND THERE'S PARKING ISSUES OR NOISE ISSUES, PEOPLE COULD GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD. UM, I'M WONDERING, DOES, UH, SINCE YOU RAISED THE NOISE, UM, IS THAT SOMETHING, SO SOMEBODY CALLED ME TODAY, SHE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, IF WE ADOPT THE, UH, THE ADUS, UM, AND THERE'S A QUALITY OF LIFE AND IT GOES TO THE PLANNING BOARD, AND THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD SAY NO, UH, THEN THERE COULD BE A LAWSUIT. UM, I'M WONDERING IF, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATION COULD SPECIFY THAT MAYBE HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD SOME AUTHORITY TO REVIEW, UM, YOU KNOW, NOISE ISSUES, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AS, AS SORT OF A FACTOR. SO IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT THE PARTY BOARD'S GONNA REVIEW ALL OF THESE. NO, BUT I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I MEAN, I, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND PUTTING ANYTHING ABOUT DECIBELS. UM, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THAT ON THE BOOKS DOWN CODE DO. YES, THEY WILL. IF A NEIGHBOR COMES OUT AND SAYS, WELL I BE, I I DON'T OPPOSE THIS, BUT I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME LANDSCAPE BUFFER TO MITIGATE THE NOISE PLANNING BOARDS. YOU ALL LIKELIHOOD CAN BE VERY RECEPTIVE TO THAT TYPE OF CONDO. NOT IF THE, NOT, IF THE GARAGE IS ON THE PROPERTY, ON THE PLOT LINE. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT'S A CHALLENGE IN INSTANCES WHERE THERE'S SPACE , WHICH IS WHY I THINK THIS, THAT, THAT AT LEAST HAS TO BE STUDIED AS WHAT'S GOING ON. LET ME SEE THE, UM, MINIMUM SETBACK TO A GARAGE IN R FIVE. I, I'M CURIOUS, I JUST CAN'T RECALL SPACE WHERE THANKS VERY MUCH TO SURVIVE. IF IT'S THAT CLOSE TO THE, YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GARY. OKAY, GARY, THANKS. APPRECIATE YOU EIGHT FEET. EIGHT FEET. UH, WELL WE HAVE THE EIGHT FEET. WHO'S NEXT? COME ON. OH, THAT'S EIGHT FEET ON ONE SIDE. RIGHT SIDE. WHAT HE EXPLAIN IT? WHAT'S THAT? SIDE AND REAR SIDE AND REAR? MM-HMM . WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY? GARAGE. WHAT, WHAT SIDE AND REAR THE EIGHT FEET TO THE PROPERTY TO A DETACHED GARAGE IN R FIVE SETBACK. THERE'S ALREADY AN EIGHT FOOT. IF THERE'S ALREADY, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO BE EIGHT FEET. OH, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE THOUGH, RIGHT? NO, NO, IF THEY'RE PREEXISTING, THEY'RE PREEXISTING. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. THIS, WELL, THEY ARE PRE, THAT'S WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONVERSION. SO THEY'RE ALL WELL PREEXISTING, [01:40:01] PREEXISTING TO, TO WHEN THEY LAW PREEXISTING NONCONFORMING. RIGHT. WELL THEN THEY WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T PASS THE PLANNING BOARD'S APPROVAL. ALRIGHT, SO ANOTHER ISSUE OF THE SEQUEL RED TAPE . SO WHAT'S GOING? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS LIZ GARRITY. I'M THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR FOR THE TOWN. HOLD THE, YEAH, THANK YOU. I SORRY. IT'S SCARY . WE'RE NOT GONNA, STILL NOT SCARED. MY GOAL HERE TONIGHT IS VERY SIMPLE AND THE GOAL OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS AS WELL, WE WANNA HELP BUSINESSES IN THE TOWN TO OPEN QUICKLY, SAFELY, AND LAWFULLY OUR JU THAT'S OUR JOB, OUR COMMITMENT, AND OUR DAILY PRACTICE. ON FEBRUARY 6TH, AN EMAIL WAS SENT TO THE TOWN BOARD CLAIMING THAT PERMITS FOR A PROPOSED RESTAURANT HAD NOT BEEN ISSUED, PREVENTING IT FROM OPENING FOR CONTEXT. THAT EMAIL DID NOT COME FROM THE BUSINESS OWNER. IT CAME FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT. UPON RECEIVING THAT EMAIL, COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON APPROPRIATELY ASKED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO VERIFY THE FACTS. I IMMEDIATELY REVIEWED THE RECORDS AND WAS IN THE, ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF RESPONDING WITH AN EMAIL TO BOTH THE INDIVIDUAL AND THE BOARD WHEN I RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM THE TOWN SUPERVISOR. IN THAT RESPONSE, A REPEATED CLAIMS OF RED TAPE, SPECULATING ABOUT STAFFING, ASSIGNING BLAME TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND CALLING FOR THIS PUBLIC DISCUSSION. THAT EMAIL WAS COPIED TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SUBMITTED THE CORRESPONDENCE, GIVING UNVERIFIED ACCUSATIONS THE APPEARANCE OF OFFICIAL TOWN ENDORSEMENT. IN LESS THAN AN HOUR, A BASELESS COMPLAINT WAS ELEVATED INTO A PUBLIC NARRATIVE OF DEPARTMENTAL FAILURE WITHOUT FACTS, CONSULTATION OR CONFIRMATION. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AND DAMAGING. REPEATED PUBLIC STATEMENTS MADE WITHOUT VERIFICATION HAVE PORTRAYED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS OBSTRUCTIVE, UNDERSTAFFED AND INDIFFERENT TO ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. LAWFUL CODE ENFORCEMENT IS NOW BEING LABELED AS RED TAPE HARASSMENT OR EVEN TORTURE. THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE FALSE. THEY MISREPRESENT HOW OUR DEPARTMENT OPERATES. THEY UNFAIRLY DAMAGE THE REPUTATION OF TOWN EMPLOYEES. THEY ERODE PUBLIC CONFIDENCE AND DIVERT LIMITED STAFF TIME AWAY FROM ASSISTING. APPLICANTS BUILDING INSPECTORS DO NOT HAVE DISCRETION TO IGNORE THE LAW. THEY'RE SWORN TO ENFORCE IT. CORRECTING VIOLATIONS AND REQUIRING COMPLIANCE IS NOT PUNISHMENT. IT IS NOT HARASSMENT, AND IT IS NOT OPTIONAL. THE DEPARTMENT MUST ENFORCE THE LAW CONSISTENTLY AND IMPARTIALLY REGARDLESS OF POLITICS OR POPULARITY. WHAT TRULY HARMS BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS IS NOT CODE ENFORCEMENT. IT'S PUBLIC MISINFORMATION. GOVERNANCE BY NARRATIVE RATHER THAN FACT UNDERMINES COMPLIANCE AND HARMS THE VERY PEOPLE THESE STATEMENTS ARE CLAIMED TO PROTECT. WE DO NOT WANNA BE IN THE POSITION OF DEFENDING OURSELVES PUBLICLY. WE ARE A RESOURCE FOR BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS AND ANYONE SEEKING ASSISTANCE WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THAT COMMITMENT IS REFLECTED IN HOW WE ASSIST APPLICANTS EVERY DAY. WE PROVIDE CLEAR STEP-BY-STEP APPLICATION INSTRUCTIONS AND DETAILED CHECKLIST. WE OFFER OPTIONAL PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS AND PRE-SUBMISSION PLAN REVIEWS TO IDENTIFY POTENTIAL ISSUES EARLY. WE PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEWS SO THE REVIEW COMMENTS ARE COMMUNICATED PROMPTLY BY EMAIL, ALLOWING CORRECTION CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY. WE ARE IMPLEMENTING AN ONLINE PERMIT PORTAL THAT ALLOWS BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS DIGITALLY AND TRACK THEIR PROGRESS. AND WE PROACTIVELY NOTIFY THE TOWN BOARD WHEN FINAL INSPECTIONS FOR NEW BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMPLETED SO THAT OPENINGS CAN BE PROMOTED. A STEP NOT REQUIRED BY LAW, BUT DONE TO HELP BUSINESSES SUCCEED. THESE ACTIONS ARE NOT OBSTRUCTIONS, THEY'RE ASSISTANCE THAT SAID SOME LEGAL REQUIREMENTS CANNOT BE MADE. EXCUSE ME, WAIVED . WAIT, SAY YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN ME A HEADS UP ON THAT ONE. . YEAH, I KNOW. I TOOK THE LONG WRONG PROFESSION THAT DISAGREEMENTS WITH THE LAW IS NOT DELAY. FRUSTRATION WITH COMPLIANCE IS NOT OBSTRUCTION AND PUBLIC ACCUSATION IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR FACTS. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REVIEWS AND ISSUE PERMITS WITHIN STATUTORY TIMEFRAMES. OFTEN WELL WITHIN 30 DAYS, INSPECTIONS ARE CONDUCTED PROMPTLY AND NO BUSINESS DELAYS DUE TO STAFFING VACANT POSITIONS OR DEPARTMENTAL CA CAPACITY HAVE OCCURRED. THE RESTAURANT REFERENCED IN THE FEBRUARY 6TH EMAIL ILLUSTRATES THIS CLEARLY. THE MAIN BUILDING PERMIT WAS REVIEWED WITHIN DAYS AND ONCE PLANS [01:45:01] COMPLIED WITH TOWN CODE WAS ISSUED, ALL ASSOCIATED TRADE PERMITS WERE ISSUED WITHIN ONE TO FIVE DAYS. THERE WERE NO PERMITTING DELAYS AND THERE ARE NO PENDING APPLICATIONS. A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HAS NOT BEEN ISSUED TO THIS SITE FOR ONE REASON. REQUIRED INSPECTIONS AND APPROVALS ARE STILL OUTSTANDING, INCLUDING FIRE SUPPRESSION, FIRE SPRINKLER, FIRE ALARM, HVAC, PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND CORRECTION OF A DA RESTROOM DEFICIENCIES, WHICH ALONE PREVENTS LEGAL OCCUPANCY. AS WITH EVERY APPLICANT, STAFF CONTINUES TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEIR DESIGN TEAM TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. SAFELY AND LAWFULLY PUBLIC GOVERNANCE MUST BE GROUNDED IN VERIFIED FACTS. TO THAT END, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST MOVING FORWARD ANY PUBLIC STATEMENTS, INCLUDING THOSE MADE BY THE SUPERVISOR SUGGESTING PERMIT DELAYS OR DEPARTMENTAL OBSTRUCTION NOT BE MADE. UNLESS, UNTIL THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN CONSULTED TO VERIFY THE FACTS, WE WILL PROVIDE THE RELEVANT RECORDS PROMPTLY. IN CLOSING, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND APPLICANTS. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WELCOMES NEW BUSINESSES TO THIS TOWN. WE ARE HERE TO GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS FROM PLAN REVIEW TO INSPECTIONS ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO YOUR GRAND OPENING PROJECT. DELAYS MOST OFTEN RESULT FROM UNMET LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, UNFINISHED CONSTRUCTION CODE, NON-COMPLIANCE, MISSING DOCUMENTATION, OR REQUIRED COUNTY APPROVALS, NOT OBSTRUCTION BY THE TOWN STAFF. IF YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD OTHERWISE, CONTACT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY. OUR STAFF IS ACCESSIBLE, RESPONSIVE, AND PREPARED TO EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT REMAINS OUTSTANDING AND HOW TO MOVE YOUR PROJECT FORWARD. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CERTAINLY DOES NOT EXIST TO BLOCK BUSINESSES. OUR ROLE IS SUPPORTING ECONOMIC GROWTH WHILE ENSURING PUBLIC SAFETY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, HELPING BUSINESSES OWN OPEN, SAFELY, OPERATE LAWFULLY AND SUCCEED. THANK YOU. WHAT IS THE NUMBER? THEY SHOULD CALL 9 1 4 9 8 9 1 5 6 1. OR THEY CAN EMAIL BUILDING@GREENBERGANDY.GOV. DID THAT GO TO EVERYBODY? IT DOES. THANK YOU LIZ. I I JUST WANT NO BE I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS CASE SO YOU COULD SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION AND I HAVE TO SAY, MR. SUPERVISOR, WE'RE REPEATING THE SAME SCENARIO THAT WE REPEATED, THAT WE DEALT WITH A WEEK AGO WHERE RATHER THAN GOING TO LIZ DISCUSSING THE SITUATION, YOU, UM, RESPOND IMMEDIATELY TO WHOEVER'S BRINGING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. THIS PERSON WELL-INTENTIONED YES. WHICH HE IS, IS HAVING SIDE CONVERSATIONS NOT KNOWING WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A, A, A BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO OPEN, THEY'RE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY'RE NOT OPENING, BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT IS WHAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE WHEN THEY'RE TALKING TO THIS PERSON. THIS IS THE PERSON YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TALK TO FIRST. GET THE FACTS BEFORE YOU RESPOND. THAT SHOULD BE THE PROCESS. NOW LET ME, WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT, OKAY, LET ME COMMENT. FIRST OF ALL, I GOT AN EMAIL AND I DIDN'T MAKE ANY PUBLIC STATEMENTS. I THE ONLY PERSON WHO WAS COPIED ON THIS WAS, IT WAS STEVE GOLD. IT WAS STEVE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY THE NAMES. AND UM, AND ACTUALLY, UH, NOW IT IS PUBLIC CHAMBER, UH, COMMERCE AND, AND BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, AND ME AND, AND BASICALLY, UH, STEVE GOLDBERG DIDN'T MAKE ANY ACCUSATIONS. YEAH. HE SAID, THIS IS BASICALLY WHAT HE SAID. AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN TRYING TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH OF OUR BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT GREEN GREENBERG. I HAVE BEEN ESPECIALLY FOCUSED ON RESTORING THE COMMERCIAL HEALTH AND VIABILITY OF THE EAST HARTSDALE FOUR CORNERS BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONG DELAYS THAT NEW BUSINESSES ARE EXPERIENCING IN GETTING PERMIT APPROVAL TO OPEN. WAIT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? I MEAN, LET ME PLEASE, LET ME, WE WILL ALL BE CIVIL AND I'LL COMMENT AND THEN YOU COULD SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. UM, UM, I HAVE, UH, BEEN ESPECIALLY FOCUSED ON RESTORING THE COMMERCIAL HEALTH AND, UM, VIABILITY OF THE EAST HARTSDALE FOUR CORNERS BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND I'M EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONG DELAYS THAT NEW BUSINESSES ARE EXPERIENCING AND GETTING PERMIT APPROVALS TO OPEN. THESE DELAYS HAVE NOW EXTENDED TO SIX MONTHS AND MORE. TODAY I WAS SHOPPING AT THE WESTCHESTER SQUARE, UM, SHOPPING CENTER WHERE TRADER JOE'S IS LOCATED. I NOTICED THAT THE NEW CHINESE RESTAURANT NEXT TO THE FORMER BEST BUY HAD NOT OPENED YET, BUT SAW PEOPLE INSIDE WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THEIR OPENING DATE. CORRECT. THEY SAID THAT PERMITS FOR THE OPENING HAD BEEN DELAYED BY MONTHS. THE FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS HAS INVESTED SIGNIFICANTLY IN RECONSTRUCTING THE RESTAURANT, AS HAS THE YET TO OPEN JAPANESE RESTAURANT ON EAST HARSDALE AVENUE AND MANY OTHERS. THERE ARE TOO MANY. UM, THERE ARE SIMPLY TOO MANY CURRENT EXAMPLES OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE STRUGGLING TO OPEN, BUT FACING A LACK OF SUPPORT FROM THE TOWN TO HELP THEM. THESE ARE NOT ISOLATE ISOLATED INSTANCES [01:50:01] AND REALLY DEMAND AND IMMEDIATE ACTION PLAN FROM THE TOWN TO ENSURE THAT THESE BUSINESSES DON'T FALL BEFORE IT FAIL BEFORE THEY EVEN START. I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE AND AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS PREVENTING THE TOWN FROM SUPPORTING, FACILITATING THESE BUSINESSES. I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS FURTHER WITH ANYONE ON THE BOARD. SO I SENT A NOTE TO, UM, LIZ UNTIL TODAY. UM, I DIDN'T GET ANY, UM, UH, AND I COPIED STEVE GOLDBERG BECAUSE, BECAUSE HE WAS INTERESTED AND, YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN MEETING WITH WITH US. NO, BUT WE MISSED A EMAIL. WE MISSED THE EMAIL. DIDN'T WE READ YOUR RESPONSE? WELL, WE SHOULD. YEAH. LET'S READ YOUR RESPONSE. RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU JUST MADE PUBLIC HIS COMMENT. THE TERM RED TAPE. NOBODY SHOULD POINT OR BE ME TO EACH OTHER. WE'RE LAYING OUT FACTS. WE'RE LAYING OUT FACTS. OKAY. RESPONSE. WE'RE LAYING OUT FACTS. SO CAN YOU, SO LET ME JUST SAY, THE PERSON WHO WROTE TO YOU NEVER USED THE TERM RED TAPE. OKAY. SO LET ME, AND THEN CAN YOU ALSO THIS, LET'S DO IT IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. SO YOU GOT THE EMAIL, THEN I SENT YOU AN EMAIL. I SENT YOU AND LIZ AN EMAIL. GREAT. AND I KNOW IT'S GREAT. I KNOW IT'S GREAT. AND YOU SHOULD, YOU SHOULD BE. AND THEN, SO THEN RIGHT FOLLOWING AFTER 45, 50 MINUTES LATER YOU RESPONDED WITHOUT EVEN HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH HER TO GET THE FACTS. AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T YELL OR ARGUE. I'M NOT YELLING AT YOU. BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE ASKED LAST WEEK. WELL, I DISAGREE WITH YOU. YOU, YOU DISAGREE WITH FOUNDING OUT FACTS. BEFORE YOU RES PAUL, YOU ASKED ME, PAUL, YOU A, WE ASKED YOU LAST WEEK, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND WITHOUT GETTING THE FACTS FIRST, BEFORE RESPONDING TO THE RESIDENT, WHICH, OR, OR WHO MADE THE COMPLAINT OR INQUIRY. SO, WHICH IS WHAT WHEN WE, THE EMAIL CAME IN IMMEDIATELY SAID, LIZ, CAN YOU GET, I DIDN'T GO DIRECTLY TO LIZ. I COPIED THE TOWN BOARD SO YOU WOULD BE AWARE OF IT THAT SHE IS NOW RESEARCHING. YOU DID NOT WAIT. YOU JUMPED IN AND NOW YOU CAN READ YOUR EMAIL. OKAY. SO NOW I'M GONNA READ MY EMAIL. SO I SAID, I AM ALSO VERY UPSET THAT NEW BUSINESSES FEEL THAT THERE IS TOO MUCH RED TAPE OPENING UP THEIR BUSINESSES. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH INSPECTORS? UM, HOW MANY VACANT POSITIONS ARE THERE IN THE BUDGET? I MEANT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUDGET. WE ALL KNOW THAT BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN UNDERSTAFFED FOR, FOR MANY YEARS. EMAIL, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IS THIS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING DE DEPARTMENT IS NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT STAFFED? I THINK WE HAVE, UM, WHAT IS, ARE YOU READING FROM WHAT YOU'RE, HE'S NOT READING IT. CAN WE DISCUSS THIS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? IS A DELAY CAUSED BY THE CONTRACTORS, UM, OR BY US? I SAID, SHOULD WE DO MORE AS A TOWN TO HELP BUSINESSES NAVIGATE THE PROCESS? SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, AND MAYBE, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, UH, FOR LIZ OR THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, GOING FORWARD. UM, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, MANY TIMES WHAT I'M FINDING IS THAT IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESSES DON'T UNDER ALWAYS UNDERSTAND, UM, ALL THE APPLICATIONS THEY HAVE TO PROCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE DELAYS. IT COULD BE CONTRACTORS, COULD BE CONTRACT. YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A, A WHOLE VARIETY OF ISSUES WITH CONTRACTORS IN THIS CASE. YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S HEALTH IS HEALTH DEPARTMENT ISSUES. AS, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS. SO WHAT I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE IS ON US NAVIGATING, UM, HELPING THE LOCAL BUSINESSES NAVIGATE THE PROCESS. BUT SHE IS, NO, BUT, BUT THE THING IS JUST GO, LET, LET PAUL, PAUL, AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I JUST WANTED INTERRUPT EVERYBODY. WE HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THIS SPECIFIC APPLICANT AND ALL BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND NAVIGATE HELPING THEM NAVIGATE THROUGH, WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH THEIR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, WITH THEIR CONTRACTORS, WHATEVER ASSISTANCE THEY NEED, AND THEY ASK FOR, WE GIVE. SO WE ARE A RESOURCE THAT IS THERE FOR BUSINESSES, RESIDENTS, WHOMEVER, TO HELP THEM THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS. AGAIN, YOU WHAT YOUR, YOUR MESSAGE IS CLEAR. YOU WANNA HELP BUSINESSES, WHICH IS FINE, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S PERSPECTIVE, HOW THIS WAS COUCHED AND HOW IT WAS SENT AND HOW IT CAME BACK TO US. IT WAS AN UNFOUNDED COMPLAINT THAT WAS SENT TO THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH IS FINE. WE WOULD NEED TO INVESTIGATE THAT. YOU BLIND COPIED THE BOARD, AND THEN WE GET AN EMAIL BACK FROM THE PERSON THAT MADE THE COMPLAINT SAYING THAT THIS IS THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT. AND THEN YOU ASK ME TO DRAFT A LETTER, SHOW ME A LETTER FROM KRISTA, AND ASK ME TO GIVE YOU THE CONTACT INFORMATION TELLING THE PERSON, THE BUSINESS OWNER THAT WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE HAVING DIFFICULTIES GETTING APPROVALS FROM GREENBERG SO YOU CAN OPEN YOUR NEW BUSINESS. THAT'S NOT TRUE. NO. UH, THEY HAVE ALL OF THEIR APPROVALS, SO I'M NOT GONNA GET AR ARGUE. NO, BUT PAUL, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, THIS IS TALKING, TALKING ABOUT FACTS. THE FACTS MATTER. NO, YOU KNOW WHAT? FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY SOMETHING. I'M THE TOWN SUPERVISOR. IF I WRITE TO YOU, I EXPECT ANSWERS. AND THE THING IS, I'M NOT, I'M EXPECTING TO HELP MY CONSTITUENTS AND HELP [01:55:01] THE BUS, ALL THE BUSINESSES, WHICH YOU SHOULD HELP THEM WITH HONESTY AND FACTS. WHAT I, FIRST OF ALL, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT STYLES. MY STYLE, I THINK HAS BEEN 50. I HELPED A LOT OF BUSINESSES OVER THE YEARS, AND I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO DO IT. AND NOBODY'S GONNA TELL ME NOT TO. NOBODY'S GONNA TELL ME THAT YOU'RE NOT HELPING THEM BY GIVING THEM MISDIRECTION, FRANCIS, THE FORCE INFORMATION OF DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. AND YOU NEVER TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. PAUL, YOU'RE LIAISON, PAUL, THAT'S NOT, THAT HAS LAND MEETINGS AND YOU NEVER, YOU'RE MAKING IT. EVERYBODY'S NOT. OH MY GOD, YOU OBSESSED, PAUL, YOU OBSESSED WITH THIS. YOU'RE OBSESSED WITH US BECAUSE WE KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE TOWN. AND, AND YOU DON'T LET ANYBODY ELSE ATTEND. NO, PAUL, STOP JUST PUTTING THAT FALSE NARRATIVE OUT THERE. WHAT I WHAT BOTHERS ME IS WHEN I GET CALLS FROM STAFF, LIKE I DID FROM THE TOWN CONTROLLER, WHO IS PHENOMENAL TODAY, VERY UPSET BECAUSE YOU WERE YELLING HER TO HER ON THE PHONE, CALLING HER A LIAR, PLEASE. AND SAYING, PLEASE DON'T BE MEAN. YOU MEAN THAT WAS YOU BEING ME. STOP. I THOUGHT, CAN WE DON'T WANT FINISH, FINISH, FINISH EXPLAINING, FINISH EXPLAINING. THIS IS, I'M TELLING, I'M TELLING YOU. PLEASE STOP IT. PLEASE TALK. PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES. YOU CALLED UP THE CONTROLLER AND BECAUSE SHE, SHE WAS, WHY ARE YOU INSULTING? WHY ARE YOU INSULTING A POLICE? WHY ARE YOU, WHY ARE YOU, UH, AIRING, UH, A NEGATIVITY? LET'S FOCUS ON THIS. BUT YOU'RE THE, OKAY, I HAVE 3-YEAR-OLD WHO ACTS BETTER THAN THIS. PAUL, LET ME JUST, LET'S JUST, LET'S, DID YOU, OR DID YOU NOT CALL UP THE CONTROLLER TODAY AND YELL AT HER, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T BRING THIS INTO THE CONVERSATION. THIS IS LIKE RIDICULOUS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT, BUT SHE'S SO UPSET. OKAY. SHE'S SO UPSET. OKAY, BUT LET'S ADDRESS THAT SEPARATELY. AND I JUST WANT, PAUL, DID YOU CALL HER UP AND CALL HER A LIAR? FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE A DEAL. PERSONNEL ISSUES ARE NOT GONNA BE DEALT WITHIN IN A PUBLIC FORM. AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT. OKAY, MR. SO REFERRING THIS ISSUE WAS PERSONNEL. I HAVEN'T TALKED YET. I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT IN PUBLIC FORUM. THIS IS PERSONNEL RIGHT HERE. AND IN YOUR LETTER, WHAT, IN THE LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN TO US, IT VERY EXPLICITLY BLAME THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THAT'S WHY I CALLED ATTENTION TO, 'CAUSE THEY'RE STAFF. AND, AND RATHER THAN YOU DON'T RESPECT STAFF RATHER THAN, THAN PROTECT YOUR STAFF BY GETTING THE RESPONSE FIRST FROM STAFF, YOU RESPONDED, WHICH IMPLICITLY DITTO HIS ALLEGATION BE. IT WAS, I WILL CHECK INTO THIS. BE AND THE IMPLICIT, UM, THE, THE WAY IN WHICH YOU IMPLICITLY REINFORCED HIS COMMENT THAT IT WAS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S DELAY RESEARCH WAS MAKING A, MAKING THE REQUEST AND COMING BACK AND SPEAKING, UM, BEFORE YOU HAD ANY RESPONSE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE THERE WAS AN ALLEGATION IN THE LETTER THAT, THAT REALLY IS, IS MAYBE, MAYBE I'LL GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. MAYBE YOU DIDN'T INTEND IT, BUT IT JUST HAPPENS OVER AND OVER. SO IN ORDER TO AVOID IT, I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON SAID, WHICH IS, AS WE DISCUSSED JUST A WEEK AGO, PLEASE, I BELIEVE, GET THE INFORMATION FIRST. I FROM THIS YOU DID NOT, BUT YOU DID NOT. LET ME, LET ME SAY. SO LET SAY SOMETHING THE LAST, IT WAS THE LAST TIME. WHAT COULD WE DO? WHAT COULD WE DO GOING FORWARD? I'M ASKING YOU, WHAT COULD WE DO GOING FORWARD TO, UH, MAKE IT CLEAR TO BUSINESSES THAT ARE STRUGGLING, UH, TO OPEN UP THAT, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE THERE TO HELP THEM. AGAIN, WHAT SHE'S DOING NOW, I'M, THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM. I'M ASKING YOU WHAT SHE'S DOING. NOW. I'M, I'M ASKING YOU FOR ADVICE. WHAT COULD WE DO THIS? THERE'S BUSINESSES ON EAST HARSDALE AVENUE WITH SIGNS MM-HMM . FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS SAYING WE'RE GONNA OPEN SOON. AND THERE'S NO ACT. YOU, YOU, BUT YOU'RE IMPLICITLY. BUT AGAIN, YOU KEEP SAYING THAT'S THERE'S, IT'S NOT HER FAULT. THIS'S ALREADY EXPLAINED THOSE THINGS OUT THERE. SHE ALREADY EXPLAINED I'M ASKING HER, NOT YOU. OKAY. SHE, NO, I'M ASKING HER. NO, NO, NO, NO. PLEASE DON'T. PLEASE DON'T TORTURE THE EMPLOYEES. PLEASE DON'T TORTURE EMPLOYEES. EXPLAIN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THOSE PARTICULAR STORES TO US. THE LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS, I'M ASKING YOU TWO, WHY, WHY DON'T YOU, THERE'S OTHER BUSINESS. WHY. SO PUT, GIVE HIM THE LETTER THAT YOU JUST WROTE BECAUSE YOU JUST OUTLINED EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICANT. SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST GIVE HIM THE LETTER, GO FORWARD TO MAKE THE BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPENING UP, UM, THAT WANNA OPEN UP AND WANNA OPEN UP SOON AND ARE, YOU KNOW, AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS. WHAT YOU DOING NOW WAITING. UH, WHAT COULD WE DO GOING FORWARD TO MAKE, UH, POTENTIAL BUSINESSES FEEL THAT GREENBERG IS GONNA BE, UM, A BUSINESS [02:00:01] BUSINESS FRIENDLY PLACE? I MAY, I'M JUST ASKING YOU FOR, GREENBERG IS ALREADY A GR UH, A BUSINESS FRIENDLY PLACE. BUT WHAT CAN, WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER? WHAT ANY PERSON THAT IS HAS A QUESTION ON WHY OR HOW TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROGRESS IN PROCESS. THEY JUST NEED TO CALL EMAIL. THEY CAN SET UP A, A MEETING. UM, IF THEY DON'T KNOW THE NEXT STEPS THEY NEED TO FOLLOW. AGAIN, AS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, RIGHT? AS I STATED ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, A MAJORITY OF THE DELAYS ARE APPLICANT DRIVEN. WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. BUT WE ARE HERE TO HELP THEM IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. SO IF, IF THAT IS THE CASE WITH ANYBODY THAT IS LISTENING, PLEASE CONTACT US. WE WILL HELP YOU. AND WE AT WHAT NUMBER AT, AGAIN? IT'S 9 1 4 9 8 9 1 5 6 1. AGAIN, EMAIL BUILDING@GREENBERGNY.COM, UH, DOT GOV. AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE EVER OPENED UP A BUSINESS THEY MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING. IS THERE LIKE ANY LETTER FORMS OR LETTERS THAT WE COULD DRAFT? COPY THE PERSONAL NO CUSTOMER SERVICE THAT YOU GIVE TODAY WOULD PROBABLY WORK WITH US. NO. YES, NO, NO, BUT I'M JUST IN CASE IT SHOWS, SHOWS OUTLINE, EVERYTHING SAYING IS, I'M JUST THROWING OUT. YOU'RE SAYING WHAT? YOU'RE LOOKING PERSONAL CONTENT TO SAY SOMETHING OVER AND ABOVE WHAT THEY ALREADY GO. OH, WELL LET ME FINISH MY SENTENCE, PLEASE. YOU'RE INTERRUPTING ME. WELL, WELL 'CAUSE YOU KEEP TALKING AND WE CAN'T EVEN TALK. WE'RE ALSO A HALF HOUR. ALRIGHT, SO WE NO, BUT WE APPRECIATE, WE APPRECIATE AND WE'RE GOING CONTINUE SAYING I SHOULD SHUT UP. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? NO, NO ONE SAID YOU SHOULD SHUT UP. NO ONE. YOU SAID YOU SHOULD SHUT UP, PAUL. YOU SHOULD SHUT UP. BUT SHE'S ALREADY OUTLINED EVERYTHING I'M ASKING. LET ME ASK, LET ME ASK LIZ, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, LET SAY, UH, TO YOU, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE A CHECKLIST, A CHECKLIST FOR BUSINESSES OR SOMETHING THAT ARE NOT AWARE. IT'S ON THE BUILDING PERMIT. THAT'S WHAT'S TALKING ABOUT APPLICATION. SORRY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WILLINGNESS TO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS, YOU AND ME, WE'VE BEEN EMAILING EVERY DAY WITH A PIZZA AND BREW. MM-HMM . YOU HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, THEY WENT OUT BECAUSE OF A FIRE. MM-HMM . UH, THEY, HE COMPLAINED, UH, THE MANAGER TO ME. I REACHED OUT TO LIZ. RIGHT. UH, WHICH I DID. UM, AND I, AND BASICALLY YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WAS BASICALLY THE CONTRACTOR'S FAULT AND ALL THAT. MM-HMM . UM, SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN EMAILING, UH, SOMETIMES A FEW TIMES A DAY FOR AT LEAST A WEEK. AND, UM, I THINK NOW IT'S CON ED, BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S GETTING, IT'S GETTING CLOSER. AND HE'S HAPPY WITH YOU BECAUSE, BUT WHERE IS THE TOWN AND RESPONSIBLE? BUT HE WASN'T, HE WASN'T AWARE WHEN WE STARTED THAT. YOU KNOW, HE COULD HAVE CALLED YOU. HE EMAILED ME AND I EMAILED YOU AND THEN YOU SAID IT'S THE CONTRACTOR'S FAULT. AND HE WAS FINE. WELL, LIZ, CORRECT UP. AND THEN YOU, NOW THE, THE NIGHT, THE NIGHT OF THAT FIRE, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR WAS ON SCENE WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND EXPLAINED IN DETAIL THE STEPS THAT WERE REQUIRED FOR HIM TO REOPEN. A FIRE IS A VERY SEPARATE SITUATION, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT. AND I'LL BE VERY BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW THE BOARD'S BEHIND. BUT WE, AND OUR, OUR, UM, PLUMBING INSPECTOR HAS IN EMAILS, GIVEN DETAILED INSTRUCTIONS, STEP BY STEP ON HOW TO REOPEN. AS, UH, SHORTLY AS A FEW HOURS AGO, I WAS EMAILING THE MANAGER, UM, ON HOW TO FILE THE NEXT PERMIT. SO HE'S COMING IN TOMORROW TO FILE. YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT OBSTRUCTIONISTS I'M NOT SAYING YOU'RE NO, NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARE. BUT, UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE PORTRAYED THAT IN THE PAST. AND WHAT, IT'S HARD TO UNRING A BELL. AND WHEN THAT'S PUT OUT PUBLICLY, IT'S VERY HARD FOR OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT IS HERE TO HELP PEOPLE UNDO THAT. IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT EASY. YEAH. BUT THE, UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, PAUL, WE'RE HERE TO HELP PEOPLE. UM, AND THAT'S FOR BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS. SO WHAT, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THE PIZZA AND BREW, UH, APPLICATION, IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT? HOW MUCH LONGER WOULD YOU THINK? HOW MANY STEPS? IT'S, IT'S NOT OUR STEPS. SO THEY HAVE TO GET BOARD COUNTY BOARD OF HEALTH APPROVAL BECAUSE THERE WAS A FIRE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS IN A RESTAURANT. IN A RESTAURANT. UM, SO THEY HAVE TO GET COUNTY BOARD, THEY HAVE TO GET THE CONED GAS ON. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM ANSEL TESTS ON THE SYSTEMS, AND THEY HAVE TO LEGALIZE PIPING THAT WAS INSTALLED. DID YOU HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THE BOARD OF HEALTH OR CONEDISON? NO. NO, BUT I REACHED OUT, I REACHED OUT TO ASKING, REACHING OUT IS ONE. EXCUSE ME. SO IF YOU'RE ASKING HER HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE, SHE CAN'T GIVE THAT ANSWER. BUT YOU SH SHOULDN'T THEN SAY, WELL, IT MUST BE 'CAUSE YOU'RE UNDERSTAFFED. IT MAY, IT MUST BE 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING YOUR JOB. IT MUST BE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RESPONSIVE. IT MUST BE BECAUSE YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT BUSINESSES. DIDN'T I DIDN'T SAY YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT ECONOMIC. I NEVER SAID, I HAVE NEVER SAID, YOU'RE PUTTING, PAUL, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU IN YOUR RESPONSES AND COPYING THE PERSON BACK. YOU'RE, YOU'RE [02:05:01] COM YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WHAT CAN YOU DO TO MAKE THIS GO FASTER? AND THE ANSWER YOU SHOULD GIVE IS DON'T EMAIL. YOU EMAIL THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. 'CAUSE THEY'LL GET YOU ANSWERS. THE ANSWER THAT YOU SHOULD GIVE TO THEM IS THAT THERE'S MORE TO THIS THAN JUST OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT. LET'S FIND OUT WHAT OTHER APPROVALS YOU NEED. INSTEAD, YOU MAKE IT APPEAR AS IF IT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND THAT'S WHY SHE'S BACK HERE AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU'RE AFTER TWO WEEKS, WE HAD THIS SAME CONVERSATION TWO WEEKS AGO, SAME CONVERSATION WHERE YOU UNDERMINE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AT THE EXPENSE OF, HEY, LOOK, I'LL HELP YOU. BUT THEN IT GETS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WE FIND OUT, AND LIZ CAN COME BACK HERE EVERY WEEK, EVERY TWO WEEKS EXPLAINING IT'S NOT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS OBLIGATED TO TURN AROUND A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IN 30 DAYS ONCE THEY HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AND ALL THE OTHER APPROVALS THAT THEY NEED. BUT THEY CAN'T JUST ISSUE IT. AND WHEN YOU USE THE TERM RED TAPE, THAT'S, THAT'S THE KEY HERE. IF YOU CAN GO THROUGH AND TELL US, IS IT RED TAPE THAT THEY REQUIRE THE REQUIRED A DA COMPLIANT RESTROOM? IS THAT RED TAPE? IS IT RED TAPE THAT THEY GET BOARD OF HEALTH APPROVAL? IS THAT RED TAPE? SO WHEN YOU USE THAT TERM RED TAPE, IT MEANS LIKE THERE'S UNNECESSARY BUREAUCRACY. AND WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM OUR PROFESSIONALS, OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR AND OUR DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR, IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA COMPROMISE SAFETY. BUT WHEN THEY SEE THIS RED TAPE, IT'S WHEN A PUBLIC SEES RED TAPE, THEY THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MAKING ME GO THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF, BUT MAYBE IT'S NOT REALLY NECESSARY. BUT FOR SAFETY AND FOR THE SAFETY OF THE BUSINESSES NEXT TO THOSE, WE DON'T WANT FIRES TO GO FROM ONE BUILDING TO ANOTHER BUILDING TO ANOTHER BUILDING. THEY WANT THEM TO OPEN, BUT THEY WANT THEM TO OPEN SAFETY SAFELY. WELL, LET ME, THE FINAL THING, ALL I'M ASKING IS WHAT COULD WE DO GOING FORWARD TO MAKE, UH, BUSINESSES FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER ARE TRYING TO HELP THEM AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. THE, THE PIZZA AND BREWERS A PERFECT EXAMPLE BECAUSE AS WE'VE BEEN EMAILING, UH, THE MANAGER, HE'S BASICALLY FAILING THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN COMPLIMENTING YOU. HE'S BEEN COMPLIMENTING, UM, THE APPROACH. YOU KNOW, HE FEELS THAT WE'RE GIVING IT ATTENTION AND WE'RE TELLING HIM WHAT STILL HAS TO BE DONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS LIKE, HE EMAILED ME YESTERDAY SAYING, OH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CONED. SO I WROTE TO, UM, UH, THE WESTCHESTER OFFICE OF CONED, AND THEY IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED. SO LET'S SAY IT'S THE COUNTY BOARD OF HEALTH. IF I WRITE TO THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LEGISLATOR AND MEMORIAL, AND I SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE THERE'S A, THERE'S THERE'S EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN OUT OF WORK FOR THREE WEEKS. SOME OF THEM ARE FINANCIALLY STRUGGLING. UH, WHAT COULD WE DO TO GET THE COUNTY BOARD OF HEALTH TO MOVE YOU? I'M NOT SAYING THE COUNTY BOARD OF HEALTH SHOULD, UM, UH, LOOK THE OTHER WAY. I'M, I'VE NEVER SAID THAT. BUT I SAID, MAYBE INSTEAD OF, UM, WAITING, YOU'VE TAKING A WHILE TO PROCESS THE APP, THE, THE APPLICATION. THEY COULD EXPEDITE JUST THE REVIEW AND EXPEDITE SENDING INSPECTORS. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE HAVE EMPLOYEES, UH, I'VE GOTTEN AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES WHO ARE SAYING THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING PAID. SO IT'S REALLY VERY, VERY SAD. THIS WHOLE THING. IT IS VERY SAD. AND, AND, AND SO YOU'VE BEEN THE SUPERVISOR FOR A VERY LONG TIME. I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROCESS IS, HAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, SOME OF WHICH IS CONTROLLED BY OUR STAFF, IN THIS CASE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BUT NOT ALL. UM, THE BILL, THE, THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 45 COMMUNITIES, MUNICIPALITIES THERE ARE THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER AND THE MYRIAD OF ISSUES THAT HAPPEN WITHIN EVERY ONE OF THE MUNICIPALITIES. IT'S GREAT THAT YOU CARE AND YOU SHOW THAT YOU CARE, BUT YOU BY, BY IMPLYING THAT THERE IS CONTROL AND THERE'S SOMETHING THAT ELSE OVER AND ABOVE IS ALREADY DOING, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN REACH OUT. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN ASK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO DO. AND IT CERTAINLY WON'T EXPEDITE ANYTHING. WRITING LETTERS AND, AND BRINGING ATTENTION TO, UM, AN ISSUE IS ALL WELL AND GOOD, BUT THERE'S JUST SO MUCH. ANY ONE OF THESE, ANY ONE OF THESE [02:10:01] SERVICES CAN ACHIEVE. YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK YOU, I THINK EVERYBODY YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT BY NOW THOUGH. BUT I THINK EVERYBODY'S MAKING, I I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS ENOUGH. I THINK WE NEED TO FINISH THIS. YOU KNOW WHAT, I, WE HAVE TO MOVE ON. LEMME SAY, I THINK THAT YOU'RE MAKING A, A BIG THING OUT OF NOTHING. BECAUSE BASICALLY ALL I DID IS I GOT AN EMAIL FROM A CONSTITUENT WHO BASICALLY SAID THAT HE VISITED, UH, THE OWNER OF A RESTAURANT. UM, AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO IF LIZ WOULD'VE ANSWERED ME, BECAUSE I AM THE SUPERVISOR AND 40 MINUTES, YOU DIDN'T GIVE HER A CHANCE TO ANSWER PAUL, I GAVE YOU AN OUT. IF SHE, I GAVE, I WAS ALLOWING, I WAS SETTING IT UP. SO YOU CAN TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT SHE RESEARCHED BACK TO YOU SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND RE AND RESPOND TO THE CONSTITUENTS. YOU DIDN'T GIVE A, YOU DIDN'T GIVE HER A CHANCE, BUT LEMME JUST SAY YOU RESPOND. DIDN'T HER A CHANCE, I DIDN'T SEND OUT A PRESS RELEASE. I DIDN'T PUT SOMETHING ON THE TOWN WEBSITE. THAT'S WHAT TO RESPOND. YOU DIDN'T GIVE HER A CHANCE. NO. WELL, I, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONSTITUENT, UM, THE CONSTITUENT BASICALLY HAD A CONCERN. HE WAS VERY NO. AND ALL I, IF LIZ WOULD'VE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT THIS IS, WE, WE DID EVERYTHING. BUT YOU SAW MY EMAIL PAUL, TO SAY THAT SHE WAS RESEARCHING. I SAID, LIZ, CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE SOME INSIGHT TO THIS? THAT MEANS YOU WOULD HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO RESPOND BACK TO THE CONSTITUENT. IT DID LET ME, I'M NOT TRYING TO, IT'S NOT ABOUT JUMPING AHEAD OF THE GAME. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO GETS THE LIZ FIRST. IT'S ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WE GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION TO THE CONSTITUENT OR WHOEVER ASKED THE QUESTION. THAT'S WHY ONCE I SAW THAT EMAIL, I SAID, LIZ, CAN YOU GIVE SOME INSIGHT? I COULD HAVE JUST SAID, GO DIRECTLY TO LIZ, BUT I INCLUDED YOU IN THE EMAIL SO YOU CAN SEE THAT SHE'S RESEARCHING IT. YOU JUST DIDN'T GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK. I, NO, I DID. YOU ONLY GAVE HER 40 MINUTES. I MEAN, SHE, I MEAN, SHE RUNS A WHOLE DEPARTMENT. THIS IS LIKE RIDICULOUS. YOU, THAT'S RIDICULOUS. SHE DOESN'T, BECAUSE ALL YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE TRYING TO, I'M STANDING FACTS, TRYING TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE YOU, FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, I HELP CONSTITUENTS AND YOU DON'T LIKE IT BACK ON PAUL. PAUL, DON'T, DON'T YOU DARE DO THIS. DARE DO THAT. DON'T DARE DON'T YOU DARE DO THAT. FACTS. RIGHT. AND I KNOW YOU DON'T DO THAT. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE MOVE ON? 'CAUSE THIS IS GONNA RIDICULOUS. LET'S MOVE. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. WAITED FOR YOU. OKAY. YOU DIDN'T WANT, YOU DIDN'T WANNA, YOU, YOU DON'T WANNA RIDICULOUS. IT'S RIDICULOUS. YOU STOP, STOP TORTURING THE STAFF. STOP. AND, AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AND WE'LL COME UP WITH A, I THINK YOU SHOULD COME UP WITH A, A, A A. THANK YOU. LET'S A GOOD NIGHT FRIENDLY LETTER TO, UH, TO NEW BUSINESSES SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, THIS IS THE EXPERIENCES THAT WE HAVE, UM, HAVE HAD WITH OTHER BUSINESSES. UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE TOWN WILL TRY PROCESSING, BUILDING PERMITS, MAKE MOTION QUICKLY. UM, HOWEVER, THERE COULD BE CONTRACTOR ISSUES. THERE'S HEALTH ISSUES. THERE COULD BE OTHER GOVERNMENT BODIES THAT HAVE TO REVIEW THIS. UM, AND, UH, IF YOU, UH, NEED HELP THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU COULD CALL THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ANYTIME. AND I FEEL THAT IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND WE, UH, ASSIGN SOMEBODY IN, UH, IN THE DEPARTMENT TO HELP THE LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE TRYING TO OPEN UP, I THINK IT WOULD BE A A PLUS. OKAY. SO THEN, ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT. GOOD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, SO WE'LL GO TO AGENDA REVIEW. AGENDA REVIEW. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT. SO I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT MAY BE I MISSED, I THOUGHT WE WERE PUTTING A SECTION ON THERE WHEN WE'RE HAVING EVENTS NOT, NOT PRESENT, LIKE UPCOMING EVENTS. SO IT'S, IT'S, SO, IT'S SO ANY UPCOMING EVENTS THAT ARE, THAT THE TOWN IS HAVING THAT WE WE PUT ON THERE? I THOUGHT THAT WAS, YOU WANT ME TO ADD ON? ONLY UNDER WORK SESSION? OH. OH. SO MAYBE THAT'S WHERE I SORT IT. BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUT IT ON THE, UM, AGENDA. SO YOU WANT ME TO, UM, ASK, UM, HOLLY TO ADD IT UNDERNEATH? I CAN ASK HER SEVEN 30. I CAN ASK HER, BUT I WAS JUST, BUT, BUT WHERE BUT WHAT, WHAT SECTION THOUGH? WE GONNA PUT IT UNDER. SO UNDERNEATH COUNCIL TOWN COUNCIL, HOLD ON, LISA, I'M SORRY. TOWN CLERK COMMENTS AND PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS. WELL, YOU ALSO HAVE THE SUPERVISE THE TOWN COUNCIL REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS. SO WE GOTTA HAVE THE DISTINCTION. SO, WELL, IF IT'S EVENTS, OKAY, WELL, I GUESS YOU CAN DO PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS. I GUESS SO, YEAH. ALRIGHT. YEAH, SO WE COULD JUST PUT IT THERE. OKAY. BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S TOWN AND WE CAN'T DO, WE CAN'T MIX STUFF. EXCUSE ME. I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT. ALRIGHT, SO, UM, WHAT IS THIS ITEM? OH, IT'S MISSPELLED ALSO HONORING THE, THE HOLLAND. THE ENTIRE HOLLAND FAMILY, GREENBERG FAMILY OF THE YEAR. WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? I HAVE, UH, A PROCLAMATION BASICALLY. UM, DURING THE DECEMBER SNOW STORM, THE WHOLE, UM, UH, FAMILY HELPED OUT. UH, I WAS ON VACATION. UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PE THERE WAS A WOMAN WHO HAD CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE, A 95-YEAR-OLD WOMAN. I EMAILED THEM, UH, WHILE I WAS ON VACATION. AND THE NEXT DAY THEY CLEARED OUT, UH, THAT PERSON'S, UH, DRIVEWAY, SOMEBODY WITH PARKINSON'S. UM, UH, AN 80-YEAR-OLD MAN, UM, CALLED ME, UM, EMAILED ME, UH, WHEN I WAS ON VACATION. I CALLED THEM. THEY HELP, THEY HAD, THEY HAVE A, UH, THE ENTIRE FAMILY. UM, UM, VIVIAN HOLLAND IS A STUDENT AT EDGEMONT HIGH SCHOOL. UM, [02:15:01] UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SHE'S DOING A, A GREAT JOB. HER BROTHER JACKSON TL, UH, WAS HOME FOR THE VACATION. HE HELPED OUT. HE WAS A FORMER SNOW ANGEL COORDINATOR. UM, UH, THEY HAVE FIVE CHILDREN IN, IN THE HOUSE. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL FINE EVERYONE. THAT'S GREAT. YOU NEVER TOLD US. HOW DID THIS GET ON YOU? DID YOU SHARE ANY OF THIS WITH US? SEND SOMETHING LIKE THIS. A PRESENTATION, WHICH IS A WORTHY ONE. I PUT IT, I SHARE. I, I BELIEVE NO, YOU DID NOT KNOW I SENT IT TO, YOU KNOW WHAT, SO YOU'RE NOT WORKING WITH US. THERE'S GONNA BE NO, SEND IT IN AN EMAIL THAT IT'S, YOU WANNA PUT THIS ON? YEAH. RIGHT. SO IT'S, YOU ALSO NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE STAFF. I, I, I MEAN, I'M NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTS, BUT OUR STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING TREMENDOUSLY THROUGH THESE STORMS, THROUGH THE MAIN BREAKS, THROUGH THE SNOWSTORMS, THROUGH THE RAINSTORMS. AND WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY OF THE STAFF. I MEAN, I TRY MY BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE REMEMBERED AND RECOGNIZED FOR WHAT THEY DO. BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THEM. WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD HAVE, I, I SUGGESTED, AND I SENT, I THINK I SENT THE BOARD, UM, AN EMAIL ON THIS. SO WE SHOULD DO, WE SHOULD DO, WE SHOULD DO, WE SHOULD DO. SO SOMETHING, SHOULD I, I THINK WE SHOULD HONOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE HIGHWAY GARAGE AND THE WATER DEPARTMENT. WELL, WE CAN'T THROW 'EM UNDER THE BUS AND THEN HO HONOR THEM. SO WE HAVE TO BE SO WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT. HAVE, IF WE'RE GONNA REALLY, IF WE'RE REALLY GOING TO HONOR THEM, WE ALSO MAKE, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. NOT JUST HONOR THEM TODAY AND THEN THROW 'EM ON THE BUS TOMORROW. LET'S NOT THROWING THEM UNDER THE BUS IF WE HONOR THEM. OKAY, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON. PLEASE. YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT NO, BUT WE NEED TO HONOR THE STAFF. THE STAFF DOES HARD WORK. PAUL HAD SUGGESTED PIZZA'S A PARTY OR SOMETHING IN AN EMAIL. THAT'S, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT HE SUGGESTED. THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THIS. LET'S STAY AGENDA. YES. LET'S STAY ON THE AGENDA. SO WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THIS. NO, I I I, I'M NOT SURE I IN FACT, NEVER SAW THIS, FRANCIS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE LAND USE MEETINGS AND YOU NEVER TELL US ANYTHING WHAT'S GOING ON? SO DON'T, DON'T TALK ABOUT, NOT ABOUT KEEPING PEOPLE INFORMED. WHEN, WHEN YOU NEVER, YOU, YOU WON'T EVEN LET ME ATTEND A LAND USE MEETING. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S DISCUSSED. DO YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU'VE SPENT THREE HOURS, UH, TWO TO THREE HOURS EVERY FRIDAY WITH DEPARTMENT HEADS, STAFF WITH DEPART. DO YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU KNOW WHAT? AND, AND THE, AND SOME OF THE, WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE AGENDA? BECAUSE I'M SAYING THAT ENOUGH. YOU ENOUGH? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS ENOUGH. CAN WE GET THROUGH THE AGENDA? DON'T SHARE ANYTHING WITH ANYBODY. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. YOU AND GINA. THIS IS, YES, THIS IS, I, I DON'T LISTEN. ENOUGH. ENOUGH ENOUGH. CAN WE GET THROUGH THE AGENDA PLEASE? THIS IS RIDICULOUS. AND I DON'T KNOW THE OTHER MEMBERS IF THEY CARE, BUT I CARE THAT I'M NOT BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING POLICY. OH MY GOD. NO ONE'S MAKING PAUL ASK, STOP MAKING, DISCUSS THESE FALSE NARRATIVES FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR ELECTION. DISCUSS ENOUGH. DISCUSS ENOUGH. BECAUSE THIS WHAT THIS IS GOING ON. CAN WE YOU, CAN WE DO THE WORK THAT'S AT HAND? WE DISCUSS, CAN WE PLEASE DO THE WORK? WHAT'S AT HAND? LAND USE COMMITTEE. LANDUS, DID YOU DISCUSS A DU? I'VE GONE THROUGH THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. YOU'VE BEEN A SUPERVISOR FOR, WHAT, 34 YEARS? WHATEVER IT IS. YOU'VE, WHEN I CAME THE BOARD, EXCUSE ME, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU WHEN I CAME. I WANT TO DO THIS ONE MORE TIME. SO MAYBE YOU'LL REMEMBER AT THIS TIME WHEN I CAME ON THE BOARD IN 2006, I RECOGNIZE STOP, STOP THING MEAN PLEASE. PAUL, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU. STOP, BILLY, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU. I HAVE A THREE, 3-YEAR-OLD GRANDDAUGHTER. SHE CAN BEHAVE HERSELF. YOU CAN DO, JUST LET ME FINISH AND THEN YOU CAN SPEAK. WHAT I CAME ON THE BOARD IN 2006, I RECOGNIZED THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T COMMUNICATING WITH STAFF. SO I CREATED A LAND USE MEETING OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN LAND USE SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS ISSUES. BECAUSE WAS, I WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAYS UP AT THAT MICROPHONE TALKING TO THE BOARD, I WOULD ASK QUESTIONS AND OTHER PEOPLE WOULD COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TOLD ME A DIFFERENT ANSWER. OR THE, THE CDNC COMMISSIONER TOLD ME A DIFFERENT ANSWER. SO WE GET 'EM ALL IN A ROOM AND WE HAVE A DISCUSSION. AND I DID THAT, PAUL, FROM 2007 UNTIL WHEN DID YOU COME ON? 2020. 2020. 2020. AND YOU NEVER ONCE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF IT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU SAID YOU DID, I WOULD SAY WELCOME. BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE ONLY TWO MEMBERS. AND YOU KNOW, DARN WELL YOU CAN'T HAVE THREE MEMBERS BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT AN OFFICIAL MEETING. THE TOWN BOARD, YOU HAVE TO NOTICE IT. YOU'VE GOTTA PUBLICIZE IT, AND YOU HAVE TO INVITE THE PUBLIC. AND I WANTED THAT ADD IN THE PUBLIC. I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU PAUL. AND I WANTED TO HAVE AN INFORMAL DISCUSSION WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF DEVIL'S ADVOCACY GOING ON BACK AND FORTH. SO PEOPLE ARE PREPARED. WHOEVER IS THE ULTIMATE, UH, DECIDER, FOR EXAMPLE, OR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. THE BUILDING PERMIT MAKES WHATEVER CALL THAT HE OR SHE WANTS TO MAKE. IT'S JUST THAT THEY GET THE VALUE, THE BENEFIT OF HEARING FROM OTHER STAFF MEMBERS AS TO, HEY, WHAT IF, WHAT IF, WHAT IF THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON? BUT ONCE GINA CAME ON ON AND SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO BE, [02:20:01] UH, DO THAT. AND YOU NEVER ONCE ASKED, IN ALL THOSE YEARS SINCE 2007, ONCE GINA CAME ON, I NOW HAVE, WE NOW HAVE TWO PEOPLE. AND SHE'S AN EXCELLENT CHOICE BECAUSE SHE'S THE LIAISON TO THE DPW. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, HEY, YOU ARE NOT LETTING ME COME ON. AND TO ME, YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING A LITTLE OLD THAT YOU KEEP DOING THAT BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT THE LAW SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BE THERE BECAUSE YOU WOULD BREAK, YOU'D, UH, MAKE A QUORUM. BUT YOU KEEP SAYING, THEY WON'T LET ME. THEY WON'T LET ME. I NEVER STOPPED YOU. NOBODY STOPPED YOU UNTIL GINA GOT ON THERE. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DECIDED, I NEED TO BE THERE. I YOU WON'T LET ME. AND NO MATTER WHAT CAME UP TONIGHT, IT WAS THE LAND USE MEETING. YOU MISSED YOUR OPPORTUNITY. HOW ABOUT PAUL AS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, AS THE SUPERVISOR OF THE TOWN, WALK AROUND THE BUILDING AND TALK TO YOUR STAFF. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO. THAT'S WHAT ALL OF US DO. NOW I'M DONE. I ASK, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES. YES. UM, FROM OF THE TWO OF YOU, SO IN YOUR LAND USE USE MEETINGS, UM, I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING, AND I THINK FROM WHAT YOU SAID, IT WAS ABOUT COORDINATING. THAT'S ALL COORDINATING AMONG STAFF. UM, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING MAJOR THAT COMES OUT OF THE MEETING, UM, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT TO US AND LET THE REST OF US KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GREAT. GINA'S BEEN LETTING US KNOW, OKAY, THERE WAS A WATER MAIN BREAK, THEN IT WAS FIXED, AND SHE SENT THAT TO ALL OF US. RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU LET US KNOW. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING MAJOR, I BELIEVE THEN IT CO GOES TO PUBLIC HEARING IF NECESSARY, AND A VOTE IF NECESSARY, AARY RESOLUTION OF US ALL A RESOLUTION RE BUT IT INCLUDES US ALL. IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT RISES TO THE TOP. EXACTLY. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? YOU ARE UNDERSTANDING THAT. AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS HERE AND HE COULD VERIFY THAT. YES. WHY, WHY YOU'RE WRONG. THANK YOU. IS NEW YORK STATE PASSED AN OPEN MEETINGS LAW BECAUSE THEY WANTED POLICY ISSUES TO BE, THEY WANTED POLICY ISSUES TO BE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC. AND I BELIEVE THAT, UH, WHEN YOU SPEND, IT'S NOT, NOT POLICY ISSUES. SO, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED BECAUSE THERE'S NO MINUTES. AND THEY'RE NOT TELLING US WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED AND WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA. IF THEY'RE HAVING MEETINGS FOR TWO TO THREE HOURS EVERY FRIDAY, UM, THEN OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT JUST MINOR PROCEDURE STUFF. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICIES. AND WHEN AND WHEN THEY'RE MEETING WITH, HOW IS THAT OBVIOUS? I'M SORRY. BECAUSE BASICALLY HE'S THERE. YOU DON'T, FOR TWO TO THREE HOURS, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MINOR THINGS. YOU'RE TALKING, IF IT'S EVERY SINGLE, IT'S NOT ONCE A, IT'S NOW ONCE A MONTH. IT'S EVERY SINGLE FRIDAY. UM, FOR, AND THESE MEETINGS ARE LONG. AND I FEEL THAT, UM, UH, THAT BASICALLY, UM, UH, MAJOR DECISIONS ARE BEING DISCUSSED AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS FEEL THAT IF FRANCIS AND GINA ARE THOSE, THE LIES, AGAIN, ARE INCLINED TO GO ONE WAY. THAT'S, UH, HERE'S THE LIES AGAIN. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. HERE IS THE LIES AGAIN, HERE IS THE LIES. AGAIN, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US THE MINUTES. HERE IS THE LIES. AGAIN, WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US THE MINUTES. WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHAT, HERE'S THE LIES AGAIN, YOU WON'T EVEN TELL US. WHY DON'T YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH? HOW ABOUT THAT? WHY DON'T YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH? BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOU, THIS IS WHAT WE MISSING HERE. AND I KNOW YOU WANNA RESPOND. THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE IS MISSING HERE. YES. FRANCIS JUST EXPLAINED COUNCILMAN. SHE JUST EXPLAINED THE PROCESS OF THOSE MEETINGS. WHAT WHAT WE'RE MISSING HERE IS THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ALL STAFF ALL DAY. SO THE QUESTIONS, IT'S EMPTY HERE. THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, OR CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE, OR ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THEM ALL DAY. EMPTY. WHY IS IT, WHY IS IT WHEN WE TAKE TWO TO THREE HOURS TO UNDERSTAND OR TALK OR WHATEVER? IT'S A PROBLEM. NO ONE'S HOLDING YOU BACK. NO ONE'S HOLDING YOU BACK. PAUL, STOP SAYING THAT. STOP SAYING THAT. FIND ANOTHER LIE. BUT THIS IS NOT THE ONE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING HARMFUL OR UNLAWFUL. NOW, JOEL, YOU CAN SPEAK . I, I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO GET INTO THIS AGAIN. BUT AS TOWN ATTORNEY WHO ATTENDS THESE MEETINGS, I HAVE TO SAY WE'RE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH OPEN MEETINGS. LAW MEETINGS DEFINED A CERTAIN WAY. PUBLIC BODIES DEFINED A CERTAIN WAY. I'M CONFIDENT WE'RE NOT IN VIOLATION OF ANY LAWS. IF SO, I WOULD'VE BROUGHT IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE ENTIRE BOARD IMMEDIATELY BECOMING TOWN ATTORNEY, AS YOU ALWAYS DO. UM, CAN WE FINISH THE AGENDA REVIEW AT THIS POINT? I'D APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? I DON'T, SO I DUNNO, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. THE PRESENT PRESENTATION. ARE WE DOING THE PRESENTATIONS? I THOUGHT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT THAT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. OKAY, SO THEN I WILL, AND THEN WHAT'S THE TD YC? WHAT IS THIS? THE KARATE CARD. OH, THIS IS OUT. OKAY. [02:25:02] IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, IS IT DELAYED TO ANOTHER MEETING? YEAH. DO WE KNOW WHAT DID WE EVEN KNOW ABOUT THAT? I DON'T KNOW. TD, WHAT? I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE DID YOU PUT THAT ON PAULO? DID YOU KNOW WATCH SUIT? YOU KNOW ABOUT THE KARATE THING? KARATE? NO. THAT, UH, WE GOT A EMAIL FROM, UM, FROM TERRANCE EARLIER TODAY SAYING, OR DID FROM TINA, UH, SAYING THAT, UM, THE KARATE THING IS BEING, UH, DELAYED. BUT WE DID. WHERE WAS THE REQUEST FOR IT? WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS? WE NEED THREE VOTES. WELL, YOU PUT THE FORENSIC, UH, UH, AUDIT ON WITHOUT THREE VOTES. I SPOKE TO KIMBERLY TODAY. WE HAVE, THERE WAS NO VOTES. YOU NEVER ASKED ME. WE HAD THREE VOTES. YOU NEVER ASKED ME. WE HAD THREE VOTES. YOU SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE THREE VOTES. ALRIGHT, LET'S, OR YOU NEVER, WHO DID YOU ASK BACK TO THAT? WHO DO YOU ASK ONE MINUTE BEFORE THE MEETING EACH WEEK CALL. BUT YOU NEVER, WE TALKED ABOUT IT THAT IT WAS COMING OUT. THAT, THAT, WELL, YOU SHOULD NEVER SHOULD JUST KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON TO THE SUPPOSED TO GO ON THE AGENDA. OKAY. CAN WE TALK ABOUT, SO THE, THE SCHOOL, EDGEMONT SCHOOL WOULD, I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THAT. UM, YOU HAVE A CHOICE. I, UM, I COULD EITHER ISSUE THE PROCLAMATION MYSELF OR THE BOARD COULD ASSURE WHICH CAN YOU JUST EXPLAINS ABOUT THE EDGEMONT. CAN WE GET MORE INSIGHT INTO THE EDGE? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU. BASICALLY, THERE'S A FAMILY THAT'S BEEN HELPING DOING AN AMAZING JOB. HELPING THE ELDERLY. HELPING THE DISABLED. IT'S LIKE THE MENTAL ISSUE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I'M NOT ASKING ABOUT THE MENTAL ISSUES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THAT? HE'S SHOWING YOU THE PROCLAMATION. YOU ASKING, HE'S ASKING TO ASK PROCLAMATION. MS. LI, SHE IS ASKING US, WE WANNA BE ON OR NOT. SHE'S A, SHE'S A STUDENT AT EDGEMONT HIGH SCHOOL. AND, UM, SHE HAS, UM, UH, DONE A, A PROJECT, UH, A REPORT ON MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES FACING CHILDREN OF IMMIGRANTS. UM, I HAD INTERVIEWED HER ON MY CABLE PROGRAM. I WAS VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH HOW SMART SHE, UH, IS. HOW, UM, HARDWORKING, UM, YOU KNOW, SHE IS WITH THE REPORT THAT I I THAT I LOOKED AT. AND I THOUGHT THAT, UH, SHE CAN MAKE A FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION, UH, JUST SHARING, UM, UH, HER RESEARCH WITH THE TOWN BOARD BECAUSE, UH, SHE'S, SHE, UM, IS DISCUSSING, UH, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT CHILDREN OF IMMIGRANTS, UM, LIVING IN GREENBURG, UM, AND IN WESTCHESTER FACE, WHICH IS NICE. ALL OF THESE, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE WORTHY. NO ONE IS, NO ONE IS QUESTIONING HOW WORTHY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ARE. WHAT WE ARE QUESTIONING IS THAT WHEN WE ARE UNAWARE, BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ALL BE WORKING TOGETHER AND AGREEING WHAT, UM, GOES ON THE, UM, AGENDAS, THESE APPEAR AND THIS KEEPS GOING ON. AND WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A NUMBER OF TIMES. WE'VE DOING THE, I'VE BEEN DOING THE PRESENT. WE'VE BEEN DOING PRESENTATIONS FOR, UM, FOR YEARS. YES. AND WHAT, AND IN THE FUTURE, UH, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FUTURE I'LL COPY BECAUSE I, I DO COPY HOLLAND, UH, UH, HOLLY AND I WILL, UH, MAKE SURE THAT I COPY THE BOARD. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S REASONABLE. ARE WE DOING LIAISON REPORTS? YES. WE DIDN'T DO 'EM LAST TIME. WE DIDN'T DO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, WHAT DO WE HAVE GOING, ARE WE DOING LIAISON REPORTS SO WE CAN PREPARE? ARE YOU OKAY WITH LIAISON REPORTS? YES. GOOD. OKAY. YES. OKAY. THE QUESTION BE HERE. OH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE TOMORROW. BE HERE. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. YOU'RE NOT HERE. NO, I WILL NOT BE HERE TOMORROW. OKAY. SORRY. OOPS. THAT'S OKAY. NO, LIKE, OKAY, SO THEN WE SAW FRANCIS, WE'RE ALL DOING, I HAVE SOMETHING. WE'RE ALL DOING LIAISON REPORTS. I DON'T THINK JOE'S DOING, I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO THIS WAY TO PAUL. I'M TRYING TO ASK, IS HE DOING IT? SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. I'M HIS LIAISON. I WILL HIGHLIGHT YOU. OH, LIAISON REPORTS. IT'LL BE A ROAST. YEAH, WE SHOULD DO IT ELSE WOULD I EXPECT, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IF, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIAISONS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF LIAISONS. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, FRANCIS, YOU'RE ON THE ANTENNA BOARD. I'D LIKE THAT TO BE PART OF THE LIAISON REPORT. RIGHT. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT IF WE'RE GONNA DO LIAISON, WE SHOULDN'T BE PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING. UH, YES. WE SHOULD. SOME REASON THE LIAISON, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE REPORT OUT WHAT WE WANT TO REPORT OUT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE, THE LIAISON AND WE YEAR ALL EVERYONE WOULD GET A REPORT. BUT WE ALREADY DECIDE THAT YES, WE HAVEN'T AGREE. YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WHAT I WANNA KNOW WHAT WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW. THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. I JUST, WE HAVE AN ANTENNA BOARD. YOU'VE RE WE'VE REDUCED THE, UH, THE NUMBER OF, UH, MEMBERS, UH, ON THE ANTENNA BOARD. I THINK THERE'S A VACANCY NOW ON THERE IS, UH, THE, UH, YEAH, THERE, UH, AND YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA BE PUBLICIZING NO ONE'S ARGUING? ARE WE PUBLICIZING THE WE DID. AND THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT NO, BUT WE, HOW DID YOU PU WAS IT POSTED ON THE TOWN WEBSITE? ARE WE OPENING IT UP TO THE COMMUNITY? THERE WAS A NOTICE THAT WENT OUT. NO, BUT THE, THE ARE, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, HAVE YOU NOT READ THE NOTICES? NO, BUT I'M ASKING YOU HOW, WHAT IS IT YOU DO? HOW, UH, I'M ASKING. LET ME SAY, I BASICALLY FEEL THAT EVERY, WHEN WE HAVE LIAISON REPORTS, WE SHOULD BE GIVING LIA UH, UH, IT COULD BE A QUICK LIAISON REPORT ON EACH OF THE, UM, THE DEPARTMENTS THAT, UH, TOWN BOARD IS A LIAISON TO. I'LL GIVE YOU [02:30:01] THE ANTENNA BOARD LIAISON REPORT RIGHT NOW, AS APPLICANTS COME IN, WITHIN DAYS WE TURN AROUND AND MEET WITH THE APPLICANT. THE ANTENNA BOARD MEETS WITH THE APPLICANT. THEY GO THROUGH THE ISSUES WITH THE APPLICATION TO MAKE SURE THE APPLICATION IS COMPLIANT WITH OUR CODE. AND ONCE IT IS, AND IT MAY TAKE MORE THAN ONE MEETING, IT THEN GOES TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEY DO IT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE FCC RULES. AND THERE IS NO ISSUE TO ADDRESS BECAUSE THEY STAY COMPLIANT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY DEDICATED BOARD. JUAN'S JUST SAYING IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHERE TOMORROW, WHERE EVERYTHING'S GOING UP AND YOU KNOW, JUST PUBLICIZING IT. IT'S A NON ISSUE. THIS ISN'T A BOARD MEETING. IT'S MIGHT WANNA KNOW. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING FOR WE'RE PICKING RIGHT NOW. WE'RE PICKING YEAH, I THINK, I THINK WE, I THINK WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT'S FINE. LET'S MOVE ON. OKAY. SO WE NOW DO LIAISON REPORTS CHECK. RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE AN APPOINTMENTS. OKAY, LET ME, UH, GO. IN TERMS OF THE REORGANIZATION BY THE BOARD, I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST TWO LIAISONS, UH, UH, TWO BOARD MEMBERS SERVING AS LIAISONS FOR EACH DEPARTMENT. OR WE SHOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, OR WE SHOULD BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, ROTATE AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, REC, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND YOU RAISED THAT AND WE DISCUSSED IT. OKAY. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORENSIC REPORT, OBVIOUSLY THERE, THERE'S ISSUES WHERE YOU AS A LIAISON, UH, TO A DEPARTMENT DIDN'T TELL, DIDN'T ADVISE BOARD MEMBERS, UM, OR OTHERS, UH, DIDN'T. AND I THINK THAT, UH, GOING FORWARD, THIS IS A STRUCTURAL CHANGE THAT WOULD HELP US, UM, REVIEW, UH, AVOID FUTURE MISTAKES. CAN YOU ASK ME WHY YOU DIDN'T ADVISE US? I'D LIKE TO RESPOND. RIGHT. OKAY, KIMBERLY, THANK YOU. BECAUSE BLAMING US NOW. SO I DIDN'T INVITE PAUL, YOU CANNOT KEEP SAYING THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE AND NOT EXPECT TO GET A REBUTTAL, INCLUDING FROM OUR STAFF AND THE WAY YOU TREATED HER THIS AFTERNOON. NO PERSON, NO PERSONNEL DISCUSSIONS IN OPEN SESSION. I, I ADVISED THE BOARD AS A GROUP. I DID NOT ADVISE MY LIAISON SEPARATELY. RIGHT. AND WAS THE SUPERVISOR PRESENT? YES. RIGHT. SO WHAT'S YOUR NEXT ISSUE, PAUL? OKAY. AS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL LAWYER, THE, THE NEXT ISSUE THAT I'D LIKE TO, UH, BRING UP IS, I DON'T WANT ANY, UM, IN THE PAST, FRANCIS, YOU'VE, UH, CHANGED, UH, RESOLUTIONS, UM, AFTER, UH, THE BOARD APPROVED THE RESOLUTIONS AND YOU SAID IT WAS GRAMMATICAL, UH, CHANGES AND YOU'VE HELD UP, UM, UM, UM, THE STAMPING OF RESOLUTIONS FOR UP TO NINE, 10 MONTHS. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO, I'D JUST LIKE TO PUT IN THE RULES THAT ALL, UM, ALL RESOLUTIONS MUST BE, UM, STAMPED WITHIN FIVE DAYS AND NO AMENDMENTS COULD BE MADE. UH, EVEN IF THEY'RE GRAMMATICAL WITHOUT A SUBSEQUENT, WITHOUT A FOLLOW UP, UM, VOTE OF THE TOWN BOARD. SO THE THING IS, NOBODY ON THE BOARD, ANY RESOLUTION THAT IS APPROVED, UM, IS THE FINAL VERSION. AND IF THERE'S A SPELLING MISTAKE OR ANYTHING ELSE, IT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD BECAUSE WHAT YOU MAY CONSIDER GRA GRAMMAR, UH, COULD BE SUBSTANTIVE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS WAS GOING, I THINK YOU STOPPED IT, BUT THIS WAS GOING ON, UH, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UH, PEOPLE COMPLAINED THAT SOME OF THE RESOLUTIONS WEREN'T STAMPED FOR NINE OR 10 MONTHS AFTER THE BOARD APPROVED IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. SO PAUL, HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT WE HAVE RESCIND PRIOR RESOLUTION OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN SO THAT THAT'S GOOD WHEN WE'RE DO WELL THAT'S GOOD. RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING, WELL, SOME HAPPENED FOR MANY YEARS, PAUL, I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA CONTINUE IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP INTERRUPTING ME, RIGHT? YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL YOURSELF. WHAT'S NEXT? CAN WE PLEASE GO THROUGH THE, SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? COULD WE, WE BASICALLY GO, I'M ASKING, UH, I'M ASKING THE BOARD. COULD WE PUT IN THE RULES THAT, UM, ALL ALL RESOLUTIONS MUST BE STAMPED WITHIN FIVE DAYS AFTER YOUR ? I THINK ALL RESOLUTIONS SHOULD BE IN PERFECT FORM WHEN GOING UP TO THE STATE FOR, FOR IT. SO I THINK IF IT NEEDS EXTRA TIME TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS CORRECT, THEN I DON'T THINK ANYTHING SHOULD GO UP INCORRECT. SO IF, IF SOMEONE WHO WAS TAKING THE TIME OUT TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE TO GO THROUGH THE RESOLUTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CORRECT, THEN THAT SHOULD HAPPEN. I CAN'T PUT A TIME, WE CAN'T PUT A TIMEFRAME ON THAT. SO I, I'M, I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE PERSON WHO HANDLES THAT. HOLLY. HOLLY AND, AND, AND HAVE, DO YOU, WHAT RESOLUTIONS HAVE YOU READ? I'M NOT SURE I'VE READ ALL THE RESOLUTIONS, SO I WANNA KNOW WHAT, SO NO. OKAY. IN THE PAUL. PAUL, SO WHICH OF THE RESOLUTIONS ON TOMORROW NIGHT'S AGENDA DO [02:35:01] YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH? NONE. OKAY. NONE. BUT ALL, ALL, ALL I'M SAYING, WELL, LET JUST SAY SO ON THE CHANGE ORDER FOR THE CHANGE ORDER FOR THE ODELL HOUSE OF $142,000. NO, I'M SAYING, LEMME SAY, ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? BECAUSE THERE'S NO DOCUMENTATION THAT GETS US TO THAT NUMBER. NO. THAT'S THERE WHEN YOU'RE, BUT YOU HAVE NO ISSUE. WAIT, LEMME SAY, LET ME SAY SOMETHING. IF THERE, I DON'T HAVE ANY, WE WE'RE HAVING WORK SESSIONS TO DISCUSS THE AGENDAS BEFORE. RIGHT? SO THE THING IS, IF YOU'RE BRINGING UP, UH, LIKE THE ODELL HOUSE AND THE CHANGE ORDERS OR WHATEVER, THAT'S TOTALLY LEGITIMATE. THAT'S BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD VOTES ON IT. AFTER THE TOWN BOARD VOTES ON SOMETHING. UM, THE ONLY WAY THERE SHOULD BE A CHANGE AFTER WE, AFTER THE MEETING TOMORROW. THE ONLY WAY THERE SHOULD BE A CHANGE IS IF THE ENTIRE TOWN BOARD DECIDES, UM, THAT WE WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE. SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT, THEN IT HAS TO GO BACK TO THE BOARD AND THERE CAN'T BE ANY, ANY, UH, ANY CHANGES TO THE RESOLUTION AFTER THE FACT. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. SO PAUL, LET'S GO BACK TO THE QUESTION I ASKED. I ASKED YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE RE RESOLUTIONS FOR TOMORROW NIGHT? AND YOU SAID NO. NONE. NO, I JUST RAISED ONE. I JUST RAISED ONE, WHICH TELLS ME YOU DIDN'T READ IT. NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE. OKAY, LET'S NOT ARGUE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YOU ALWAYS SAY THAT WHEN NEXT? YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO WE NEED THE INFORMATION FOR CO2. YEAH, WE NEED TO BACKUP UP FOR THAT. WE NEED THE BACKUP UP. THAT GETS US TO 142,000. OKAY. CD TWO. CD TWO, TWO. SORRY. CD TWO. AND THERE IS GOOD EXPLANATION FOR THAT, BUT, WHICH I CHECKED WITH THE, UH, WITH GARRETT ABOUT. BUT WE NEED IT. PARDON ME. BUT WE NEED THE BACK, RIGHT? WE NEED IT. ABSOLUTELY. WE NEED THE BACK. BUT I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT I READ THE AGENDA AND I ASKED QUESTIONS AS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. EXCUSE ME. LIKEWISE THOUGH, WE NEED BACKUP FOR CD THREE. FOR CD THREE. MM-HMM . AND THERE IS AN EXPLANATION FOR THAT, BUT WE NEED THE BACKUP. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO NO BACKUP. IT'S GONNA BE HELD OVER. ARE WE GETTING IT? WE'RE HOLDING IT OVER. IF THERE IS NO, IF THERE IS NO BACKUP, IS IT GONNA BE HELD OVER? THAT'S WHY. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT IN THE, SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE. OH, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. HMM. UH, CJ WAS HERE BEFORE IN TERMS OF, I THINK HE HAD TO STEP OUT, UM, OR OUT, BECAUSE I THINK MAYBE HE WOULD WANT TO JUST DISCUSS IT. BABB COURT, THE BOARD, WHO IS THAT? ARE WE DOING THAT IN? THAT'S BW ONE, BUYING ANOTHER POLICE VEHICLE. ARE WE, IS THIS A REPLACEMENT AND ARE WE PUTTING WHICHEVER ONE? UH, OH, I GOTTA TALK. I TALK TO, I'LL, I'LL FIND THAT. I FORGOT TO QUESTION TODAY. ONE. UH, PO TWO P TWO, I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER FOR YOU. IT SUMMARIZE SO THAT, THAT, UH, THEY'RE LOOKING BUY FOUR MORE VEHICLES THEY NEED IN. MAYBE THAT'S NOT YEAH. WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THE OLD ONES? I THINK THEY'RE TURNING THEM INTO ADUS. JOY. THAT WAS DEAD. . THAT WAS DEAD. I'LL TEXT THEM IN WHILE WE USED TO DO, SORRY. TURNING INTO A, WHAT WE USED TO DO IS WHEN THEY'RE DONE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD THEN GO TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND USE THEM. MM-HMM . BUT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE DON'T WANT 'EM JUST DISCARDED, RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING NEW CARS FOR EVERYBODY. AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT. GET A, UH, GOOD EVENING TOWN BOARD. THIS IS GARRETT HERE. I JUST HAD A QUICK UPDATE. I WAS LISTENING TO THE MEETING UPSTAIRS. OKAY. UH, SO FOR CD TWO AND CD THREE, UH, CD TWO IS A SE, THEY'RE BOTH ODELL HOUSE RELATED. CD TWO IS A SERIES OF CHANGES WITH RESPECT TO THE [02:40:01] ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. UH, I DID PO I DID POST THE BACKUP DATA ONTO AGENDA QUICK. UM, I WILL, WHEN DID YOU DO THAT? UM, LAST WEEK. THE ONLY THING, WHAT I WILL DO, THE ONLY THING I SAW, YOU KNOW, ADDED UP TO ABOUT $20,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. NO, NO, NO, NO. UM, BUT WHAT I'LL DO, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT ADDS UP TO A T AND I DO WANNA ASSURE THE BOARD THAT, UM, EVERY ONE OF THESE, UH, CHANGE ORDERS WAS VALIDATED BY, UM, STEPHEN TILLEY, THE TOWN'S, UH, ARCHITECT OF RECORD. AND, UM, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER. BUT YOU KNOW, I, I'VE, I'VE, I UNDERSTAND EACH OF THE CHANGE ORDERS. I WALKED THROUGH THEM WITH STEVEN TILLEY THERE. THEY'RE RATIONAL, THERE'S, THERE'S A YOU'S GOOD REASON THESE CHANGE ORDERS OCCURRED. UM, AND ANOTHER ONE OF THEM IS, UH, IN ADDITION IS WORK THAT ACTUALLY SET UP THE LAST PHASE TO BE, UM, SUCCESSFUL. AND THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF ELECTRIC WORK, UM, THAT WAS ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL SCOPE AND THAT THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW THIS NEXT PHASE TO, UM, SEAMLESSLY TURN OVER TO THE NEW POWER SOURCE. UM, BUT ALL THAT, ALL THAT DATA IS ABSOLUTELY IN THERE, BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE NUMBERS ADD UP TO 1 42. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, IS THIS ANTICIPATED TO BE THE LAST CHANGE ORDER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, $142,000 CHANGE ORDER IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT? IT IS SIGNIFICANT. I IF, IF IT'S HELPFUL. WELL, THE ANSWER IS YES. UM, BUT I DO WANNA GIVE ONE EXAMPLE OF, UH, UM, ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE ORDERS IN HERE. UH, THE CEDAR SHAKES ON THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING INITIALLY, UH, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SINGLE LAYER, CEDAR, CEDAR SHAKES, AND THERE WAS EXISTING CEDAR SHAKES THAT, UM, THE TOWN DID NOT HAVE TO BUY. AND THOSE COVERED SOME SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE FACADE, THAT SAME SIZE CEDAR SHAKE WAS PURCHASED. ONCE THEY STARTED TO DO THE WORK TO PUT THE CEDAR SHAKES UP, THEY VERY QUICKLY REALIZED, AND I SAY THEY, UM, STEVE TILLY UPON INSPECTION THAT AN UNDER COURSE LAYER OF SHINGLES WOULD BE NEEDED. SO THAT ULTIMATELY, UM, WAS NOT A DECISION THAT COULD HAVE MADE, BEEN MADE BEFOREHAND. IT WAS ONLY UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY GOT IN THE WORK TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS NECESSARY. UM, SO AS EXAMPLE, I THINK THAT'S ON THE ORDER OF 30,000. SO THAT'S THE MATERIALS AND THEN ALL THE LABOR TO PUT THAT INITIAL UNDERLAYER ON. UM, WHICH WILL IN FACT MAKE THE ACTUAL, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO, TWO, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TWO LAYERS OF CEDAR SHAKES? THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON RIGHT NOW, THE UNDERLAYERS THINNER, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOOD FOR THE HOUSE, BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT FORESEEN INITIALLY. WELL, COULD THERE HAVE BEEN SOMETHING LESS EXPENSIVE THAT WAS THE UNDERLAYER THAN CEDAR SHA? NO, NO. THERE THERE COULDN'T HAVE BEEN. SO I I, I POSED THE HYPOTHETICAL TO THEM. I SAID, IF YOU KNEW THAT, THAT YOU WERE GOING TO ENCOUNTER THIS, WOULD YOU HAVE DESIGNED IT WRONG? AND THEY SAID, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE NEEDED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, THE CEDAR SHAKES THAT THE TOWN HAD INITIALLY. AND UM, AND ACTUALLY IT'S NOT LIKE A DOUBLE LAYER OF THE SAME THING. THE, THE UNDERLAY IS, IS OF A, A DIFFERENT NATURE AND IT'S, UM, UM, IT'S MORE LIKE PROTECTIVE AS OPPOSED TO UH, UM, LIKE DECORATIVE, I SUPPOSE. OH, I GOT THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY WERE PUTTING UP THE CEDAR SHAKES, LIKE AS IF THOSE ARE THE, THE FINAL ONES. NOT THAT THEY WERE PUTTING 'EM UP AS AN UNDERLAYER. YEAH, NO, THE UNDERLAYER WAS NOT NECESSARILY ANTICIPATED TO BE, TO BE DONE. IT WAS NOT CALLED FOR, BUT THAT WAS A TOTAL ADDITION AND PIVOT. UM, SO LIKE THAT, THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE. UH, THE ELECTRIC WORK THAT I DESCRIBED, UH, WAS SIGNIFICANT. UM, THAT WAS, UH, I THINK 40,000. THAT WAS ONE EXAMPLE. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY ALL OF ALL OF THESE, THESE CHANGE ORDERS, YES, WE'RE, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY VETTED BY, BY STEVEN TILLEY AND SIGNED OFF ON. UM, AND IT WILL BE THE LAST CHANGE ORDER IN FACT. UM, THERE'S A BIT MORE WORK AND THEN SOME, THE APPROVAL OF THE 1 42 IS TO FINISH SOME FINAL INSTALLATION. AND WE ARE AT A STAGE WHERE NEW YORK STATE PARKS HAS APPROVED THE REBID AND UM, THE BID IS LIVE. SO WE HAVE A SIDEWALK THIS THURSDAY AND UM, THAT'S A FIXED PRICE, UH, WHICH I THINK I, I RELAYED TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD APPROVED THAT, UM, GOING OUT TO BID. SO, UM, WE ARE ALL SET AND YOU, THE BUDGET THAT THE TOWN BOARD ALLOCATED WITH THE RECENT CAPITAL BUDGET ADDITION IS APPRECIATED. UM, UM, ANDREW STEWART COUSINS, UM, KIM FORTH WITH AN ADDITIONAL A HUNDRED THOUSAND. SO THERE'S JUST SO MANY PIECES TO THIS PUZZLE THAT YOU'RE GETTING THIS PROJECT DONE. UM, AND I WILL SAY, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT MOST OF MY PROJECTS ARE EITHER, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE BASED OR, OR SIDEWALKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT'S RARE THAT I SEE CHANGE ORDERS AS PART OF ANY OF MY PROJECTS. [02:45:01] UM, THIS IS THE FIRST FORAY THAT I'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND IT IS VERY CHANGE ORDER HEAVY. AND I ACTUALLY ASKED THIS NEW YORK STATE PARKS PERSONS, I SAID, YOU KNOW, AM I MANAGING THIS PROJECT WRONG? WE'RE GETTING SIGNIFICANT CHANGE ORDERS. AND THEY SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE MORE BUILDINGS LIKE THIS, GET USED TO IT. 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO BUILDINGS LIKE THIS. UM, ALRIGHT. CAN YOU SPEAK TO PW UH, ONE, UH, WHICH IS THE BABA COURT OR IS THAT WELL, CJ'S RIGHT THERE. CJ I HEAR CJ. I I CANNOT COME ON UP. COME ON CJ. AND JUST REALLY QUICKLY BEFORE YOU GO, AND CJ UM, THE RESO, THE RESOLUTION FOR PO TWO, THAT IS A REPLACEMENT, SO THEY CYCLE HIM OUT. SO I JUST GOT CONFIRMATION FROM CHIEF. THANK YOU, CHIEF. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE UP A CAR FOR AN OFFICER. YEAH. UH, HELLO. I'M CJ GERARDO, THE DEPUTY TOWN ENGINEER AND THE ENGINEERING BUREAU OF, UH, DPW. UM, PW ONE AND TWO ARE, ARE VERY SIMILAR. UM, THEY'RE BOTH FOR, UM, FEMA GRANTS RELATED TO HURRICANE IDA. AND, UM, THE WAY FEMA AND THE STATE SET THOSE GRANTS UP IS THEY ALL HAD THE SAME EXPIRATION DATE OF FEBRUARY 1ST, 2025. AND THEN FEMA GRANTED THE STATE REQUESTED AND, AND THE TOWN WROTE LETTERS. AND THE FEMA, THE, THE STATE REQUESTED FEMA TO, UM, UM, EXPAND THAT, EXTEND THAT, UH, THAT, THAT DEADLINE FOR ALL OF THEIR PROJECTS. ALL 42, I BELIEVE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN NOW EX EXTENDED FOR A YEAR UNTIL FEBRUARY 1ST, 2020. I'M SORRY. THEY WERE, THEY EXPIRED FEBRUARY 1ST, 2026. AND NOW THEY'RE BEEN EXTENDED TO FEBRUARY 1ST, 2027. SO THIS IS SOLELY TO EXTEND THE DEADLINE, RIGHT? THERE'S NO COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND OR ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO TERM AND NO OTHER TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT OR THE GRANT HAVE CHANGED. OKAY. BECAUSE THE CONTROLLER IS OPINED THAT THIS HAS INCREASED IN COSTS QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE POINT WHERE WE MAY NOT AFFORD IT FOR BABA, FOR BABA COURT SPECIFICALLY. AND THE RESIDENTS ARE AWARE, THE, THE, THE COST ESTIMATES CAME IN VERY HIGH. AND WE ARE TRYING TO REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM FEMA. THAT'S A, A, A SEPARATE, A SEPARATE REQUEST THAN THIS. BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT FEMA'S GONNA PROVIDE THAT. CAN I GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT, HELP, GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT ON THIS TOO, IF I MAY. UM, CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE ALWAYS A MOVING TARGET. MM-HMM . AND THEY DO CHANGE DEPENDING ON A LOT OF FACTORS. UM, ONE IS HOW BUSY CONTRACTORS ARE AND HOW IS, AND, AND THEN IT'S THE COST OF MATERIALS. UM, AND I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE BEEN LEARNING IS THAT TARIFFS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, LUMBER COMING FROM CANADA, UM, DIFFERENT STEEL TARIFFS AND ALL THOSE HAVE INCREASED COSTS EXPONENTIALLY. UM, SO IN, IN BEST CASE SCENARIO, THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS, AND, AND I THINK I'VE SAID THAT BEFORE OF COURSE, BUT THOSE NUMBERS ARE FUNGIBLE JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY. BUT JUST, WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND, WHICH IS WHY I THINK YOU'RE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY FROM FEMA, RIGHT? YES. AND, UM, JUST I, TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE SAY WE, AND YOU MENTIONED THE COMPTROLLER, THIS BABA CORE PROJECT, THE, THE INTENT IS NO, NO TOWN FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT. IT'S, IT'S A 90%, 10% SPLIT BETWEEN FEMA AND THE HOMEOWNERS COVER THE OTHER, THAT THE 10%, THERE'S, THAT'S WHY IF WE NEED FE FEMA TO COME THROUGH, BECAUSE IF FEMA DOESN'T COME THROUGH, THE HOMEOWNERS ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT EITHER, UNFORTUNATELY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, AND WE, WE CAN'T USE TOWN FUNDS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. SO THAT'S, AND WHILE WE'RE NOT USING TOWN FUNDS, WE ARE USING THE, THE GREAT LABOR AND WORK AND HARD WORK THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS DOING. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU MUCH. COULD YOU GIVE US WHILE YOU'RE HERE, SO JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON THE HUNDRED EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A, YOU'RE GETTING CLOSER TO, UH OH. UH, WE ARE, WE HAD A, WE HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY, UM, AND THEY GAVE US A, A DRAFT OF THE, UM, THE APPLICATION THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO, UH, FOR THE HEALTH, THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, OR IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE HEALTH COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT. UM, THE, THE TOWN ENGINEER AND I PROVIDED THEM SOME, SOME COMMENTS TO, TO CLEAN THOSE UP. UM, AND THEY'RE WORK, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT. AND WHO'S THEY? OH, I'M SORRY. THE, THE, THE DESIGN ENGINEER COLLIERS, THEY WERE HERE, UH, A FEW WEEKS BACK. UM, [02:50:02] SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE, THEY ARE WRAPPING UP THE, THE DESIGN, THE A HUNDRED PERCENT DESIGN WE SHOULD HAVE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO. THE, THE, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT APPLICATION. SAME THING. I THINK WE'RE, UH, WE'RE GETTING, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY AND SEE IF THEY COULD SPEED UP THE REVIEW. YEP, YEP. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. UH, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON PW THREE OR FOUR, I COULD ALSO SPEAK TO THOSE AS WELL. THE W THREE AND FOUR. I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON ONLY BECAUSE IT, IT'S LATE. IT'S GONNA BE HELD OVER, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL FINALIZE THAT. SO IT'S READY FOR THE FEBRUARY 25TH MEETING. NO PROBLEM. ALRIGHT. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SUPERVISOR? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UH, TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. UM, OH, ACTUALLY BEFORE, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE BOARD, BECAUSE I, UH, PROPOSED AND I WANTED THIS ON THE AGENDA, UH, THE CREATION OF A CITIZENS BUDGET COMMITTEE. I SENT EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD YESTERDAY AT YOUR REQUEST, UM, UH, A PROPO A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL. AND I'M WONDERING IF, UH, IF, UH, WE COULD, UH, INCLUDE THAT IN OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A, A FORMAL COMMITTEE OF THE BOARD AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. I HAVEN'T, IT'S TOO LATE TO GO ON FOR TOMORROW. YEAH, I HAVEN'T SEEN. SO WHEN WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE, THEN WE CAN, WE CAN ON, SO CAN WE PUT IT ON, ON, BECAUSE I DID SEND IT AS THE BOARD REQUESTED. OKAY. SO WE HAVE NOT SEEN IT. SO MAYBE WE CAN, WE CAN FORGET A TIME ONCE WE WILL REVIEW SO WE CAN PUT IT ON FOR NEXT WEEK. COULD WE TELL HOLLY I'M NOT, UM, WHEN DID YOU SEND IT? I SENT SOMETIME YESTERDAY. WELL, I'D LIKE TO REVIEW IT FIRST BEFORE WE THEN WE CAN GIVE A TIME. PAUL, WE HEARD YOU. OKAY. OKAY. CAN WE GET, BUT, BUT ACTUALLY WHAT WE DO NEED TO ADDRESS THE TEXT OR SIDEWALK ISSUE, OR WE'VE BEEN SORT OF STOP. YEAH. IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. NO, NO, NO. FOR THE NEXT WORK SESSION ON, COULD WE AGREE TO PUT IT ON? THERE IS SOME CONCERNS THERE. I I KNOW WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT 'EM, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. COULD WE THEN AGREE TO PUT THE SIDEWALK ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK SO WE DON'T HAVE TO POLL AND SEE IF THERE'S THREE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO IT. SO GI WANTS IT. I WANTED, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD AGREE, UH, TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF, SO IS THERE, WHAT IS THE DISCUSSION ON, UH, SHOULD WE GOING, SHOULD GO FORWARD WITH A TAXI ROAD SIDEWALK, WHICH WE, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN SHOVEL THIS DOWN OR, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE IT IF WE COULD SHOVEL THIS IF WE'RE GOING TO SIDEWALK. I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT DPW AND PLANNING HAVE, ARE FINALIZING, UM, AMOUNTS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST THE TOWN. OKAY. I THINK THOSE AMOUNTS ARE, THEY CAN US VERY SUBSTANTIAL. OKAY. AND MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE EVEN FOR THE HEAVILY USED ROADS THAT THAT'S, IS WHAT I'VE HEARD. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE, TO BUILD THE SIDEWALK OR THE SNOW REMOVAL? NO SNOW REMOVAL. OKAY. BUT SO THAT, THAT CAN BE PRESENTED. RIGHT. AND WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT SIDEWALK DISTRICTS AS A POTENTIAL WAY TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES THOUGH. YEAH. BUT HE'S TALKING ABOUT, BUT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A SIDE COSTS FOR THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAX THE RESIDENTS WITH A SIDEWALK DISTRICT OR WITHOUT A SIDEWALK DISTRICT. YEAH. AND THOSE COSTS, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE IN YOUR HAND BEFORE MAKING A DETERMINATION. RIGHT. BUT IN TERMS OF THE, THE SIDEWALK ITSELF WAS ALREADY THE SIDEWALK ITSELF, BECAUSE WE COULD TELL PEOPLE IT'S DONE DEAL, IT'S A DONE, WE WERE GOING. RIGHT. BUILD IT. AND YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A CAM WHO ACTUALLY LIVE ON THE, ON THE, ON TAX OR ROAD. WHO WOULD'VE TO SHOVEL IT? WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SHOVELING IT. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU DON'T LIVE ON THE STREET, YES. YOU WANT, BUT THAT'S ALL THE SIDEWALKS. YEAH, THAT IS ALL THE SIDEWALKS. I UNDERSTAND. BUT, UM, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE COST. PAUL WAS TO THIS, THE FORMAL PROPOSAL PROPOSAL FOR CITIZENS BUDGET COMMITTEE THAT YOU SENT AT SEVEN AND 18:00 PM LAST NIGHT. IS THAT THE ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES. OH, OKAY. OKAY. I WAS REVIEW THAT. READ. OKAY. PAUL, UH, MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS. SECOND. SECOND. ALL FAVOR, AYE. AYE. SEE WE DO THINGS UNANIMOUSLY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.