[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, February 18, 2026 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026, UH, GREENBERG PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UM, BEFORE WE CONDUCT THE ROLE, I HAVE SOME BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UH, I, I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT MS. MOYER HAS RESIGNED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK HER FOR HER SERVICE, UH, ON THE BOARD, UH, OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS.
UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO CONGRATULATE MS. ANDERSON ON BEING ELEVATED AS A VOTING MEMBER, AND I'D LIKE TO WELCOME MR. PATEL AS OUR NEW ALTERNATE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE, AND WE'RE WELCOME TO, UH, HAVE YOU ON THE BOARD, UM, TOWN PLANNER.
BRIT, WILL YOU CONDUCT THE ROLE? SURE.
MR. PATEL? HERE, NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MR. WEINBERG IS ABSENT THIS EVENING, AND MS. ROBINSON AND MR. PATEL WILL BE VOTING MEMBERS.
UM, DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE FEBRUARY 4TH MINUTES THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED? YES.
WERE THERE ANY EDITS OR FEEDBACK ON THE MINUTES? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 4TH MINUTES.
UH, WE HAVE ONE PIECE OF, OR TWO PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE, ONE AND A HALF PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME, UH, COMMISSIONER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, GARRETT DUQUE, UH, WHO WILL SHARE, UH, A LITTLE BIT INFORMATION ABOUT THE ROUTE ONE 19 COMPLETE STREET, EMPIRE STATE TRAIL CONNECTION GRANT, UH, AS WELL AS A CENTRAL PARK AVENUE TAP GRANT, UH, BOTH OF WHICH THE TOWN IS, UH, SEEKING TO APPLY FOR, UH, AND WOULD LIKE THE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONSIDER, UH, DESIGNATING OUR SUPPORT.
WELCOME PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.
SO, AS, AS WAS STATED, I'M HERE TO APPEAL FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR A GRANT THAT, UH, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL BE SUBMITTING THE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE US DOT UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, AND THE TOWN IS SEEKING $1.6 MILLION FROM THE U-S-D-O-T TO USE FOR THE DESIGN IN RETROFIT FOR PORTIONS OF ROUTE ONE 19 IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UM, AS FAR AS THE LOCATION, I WOULD DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN, OR BEHIND YOU, OR ON THE TV MONITORS.
THE PROJECT SPAN IS LOCATED ON ROUTE ONE 19, SPANNING FROM BROADWAY IN THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN, AND EXTENDING ABOUT 2.3 MILES, UH, IN A EASTERLY DIRECTION TO THE NORTH, SOUTH COUNTY TRAILWAY, WHICH IS ALSO THE EMPIRE STATE TRAIL.
AND THAT'S IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMER CLOSE TO ROUTE NINE A.
WHAT'S ENVISIONED THROUGH THIS PROJECT IS A RETROFIT TO MAKE THAT TWO, 2.3 MILE STRETCH SAFER FOR BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS, IN PARTICULARLY WITH CYCLISTS.
ON THE ONE SIDE TO THE LEFT, YOU HAVE THE, UH, MARIO CUOMO BRIDGE, WHICH HAS THE VERY MUCH POPULAR, UH, SHARED USE BIKE PATH, AND THAT ESSENTIALLY TERMINATES AT ROUTE NINE AND BROADWAY.
AND THEN FOR THAT CYCLIST THAT WANTS TO GO ON ROUTE ONE 19 AND HEAD TOWARDS, UH, THE VILLAGE OF ELMER AND THE, THE, THE NORTH SOUTH COUNTY TRAILWAY, REALLY YOU'RE COMPETING IN THE ROADWAY AND JUST A COUPLE GRAPHICS.
THE EXPERIENCE ENCOUNTERED AT TIMES LOOKS LIKE THIS.
SO THIS IS A, A VIEW LOOKING, UH, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TOWARDS, UM, THE, THE EMPIRE STATE TRAIL IN ELMSFORD.
ANOTHER VIEW IN THAT SAME EXPERIENCE WOULD BE FOR A PEDESTRIAN.
ANOTHER VIEW IS HERE JUST BEFORE THE, UH, I 2 87 OVERPASS, BEFORE YOU GET TO TAXI ROAD.
AND WHILE THERE'S A BUS STOP, THE COMBINATIONS FOR CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS ARE POOR.
SO, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE'VE, THE TOWN HAS APPLIED FOR THIS GRANT TWO PRIOR YEARS, 2024 AND 2025.
BOTH TIMES, UNFORTUNATELY, UNSUCCESSFUL, BUT THE PROCESS DOES ALLOW THE TOWN TO BE DEBRIEFED.
AND IN EACH OF THOSE DEBRIEFS, THE, UH, THE GRANTORS LET US KNOW WHAT WAS LACKING IN THE APPLICATION.
SO IN EACH YEAR, WE HAD THE ABILITY TO, UM, IMPROVE THE GRANT APPLICATION.
AND I'M HERE TO NOTE THAT AFTER THE LAST DEBRIEF, UH, THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN WAS THAT THE APPLICATION IN 2025 WAS ESSENTIALLY FLAWLESS.
IT JUST FELL VICTIM TO, UH, INTENSE COMPETITION, A LACK OF FUNDS.
THE PROCESS THIS YEAR, THEY HAVE, UH, ROUGHLY ALMOST DOUBLED THE AMOUNT
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OF FUNDING.SO I'M CONFIDENT THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY COMPETITIVE GRANT.
AND, UM, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS, UH, GRANT APPLICATIONS VERY MUCH, UH, ARE SUPPORTED BY, UH, SUPPORT LETTERS.
SO, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS SUPPORTED THIS PROJECT TWO YEARS PRIOR, AND YOUR SUPPORT CONTINUED HERE.
WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY ASSIST THE GRANT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY BRIEF QUESTIONS ON THE ONE 19, UH, GRANT? ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UM, PLEDGE THE PLANNING BOARD SUPPORT, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE ONE 19 COMPLETE STREETS EMPIRE STATE TRAIL CONNECTION GRANT.
AND AUTHORIZE ME TO, TO WRITE A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, RECOGNIZING THAT SUPPORT.
UH, MS. ROBINSON? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND THEN, UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE THE CENTRAL PARK AVENUE TAP GRANT.
SO, ANOTHER GRANT THAT THE TOWN WILL BE FILING FOR IS THE CENTRAL AVENUE, UH, PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT.
SO, FROM THE BORDER OF YONKERS ALL THE WAY TO THE BORDER OF THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS, CENTRAL PARK AVENUE SPANS ABOUT TWO MILES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
AND AMONGST THOSE TWO MILES, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, 6,000 LINEAR FEET, JUST OVER A MILE OF SIDEWALK GAP.
NOW THAT SIDEWALK GAP IS DISCONTINUOUS.
THERE'S, THERE'S PATCHES OF SIDEWALK GAP, THERE'S PATCHES OF SIDEWALK GAP ON BOTH SIDES OF CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
AND THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THIS GRANT, IT'S ALSO FEDERAL FUNDING, UH, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ADMINISTERED BY THE US, I'M SORRY, NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
I'M PLEASED TO NOTE THAT THIS PROGRAM, THE TAP GRANT TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES PROGRAM, THE TOWN, HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL FIVE TIMES IN THE PAST.
UM, SO THE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORTH WOULD BE FOR NOT JUST DESIGN, UNLIKE THE LAST APPLICATION WHERE WE WERE JUST SEEKING DESIGN FUNDING, THIS WOULD PROVIDE FUNDING FOR BOTH DESIGN AND ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UM, THIS GRANT, THE AMOUNT IS, IS GREATER.
IT'S ROUGHLY $4.7 MILLION THAT THE TOWN WILL APPLY FOR.
THERE IS A 20% MATCH, AND THE TOWN BOARD IN EACH OF THOSE PRIOR INSTANCES, HAS STEPPED UP AND SUPPORTED THE GRANT TO HELP MAKE THOSE APPLICATIONS SUCCESSFUL.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A SIDEWALK, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UM, CURB RAMPS, IT'S PUSH BUTTON, PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS, APPROPRIATE STRIPING, UM, AND ALL KINDS OF A DA VARIETY OF A DA AMERICAN DISABILITY, UH, ACCOMMODATIONS.
SO, UM, I'M CONFIDENT THAT WITH SUPPORT LIKE THE PLANNING BOARDS AND FROM OTHERS AND THE HARD WORK, WE'RE GONNA PUT INTO THE GRANT THAT THIS WILL BE SUPER COMPETITIVE.
UM, SO MUCH LIKE THE LAST, UH, PRESENTATION, I'M AGAIN SEEKING THE PLANNING BOARD SUPPORT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE CENTRAL PARK AVENUE TAP GRANT? ALRIGHT, THEN ENTERTAIN A MOTION, UH, TO AUTHORIZE ME AS CHAIR TO WRITE A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, DESIGNATING OUR SUPPORT, UH, FOR THE TOWN TO APPLY FOR THE CENTRAL PARK AVENUE TAP GRANT.
SECOND, MS. ROBINSON? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, SO NEXT UP, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS OF OLD BUSINESS ON OUR WORK SESSION.
UH, FIRST UP IS PB 25 10 CENTRAL ANIMAL HOSPITAL THAT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITAL.
UM, TOWN PLANNER BRITAIN DISTRIBUTED A DRAFT DECISION TO THE BOARD.
DID EVERYONE, EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE DECISION? YES.
UM, WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
UM, TOWN PLANNER BRITAIN, COULD YOU BRIEFLY WALK US THROUGH THE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS FOR THIS PROJECT? SURE.
UH, SO THIS IS A FAIRLY STANDARD, UH, DECISION FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.
THAT THERE ARE TWO SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
I WOULD DRAW THE BOARD'S ATTENTION TO.
CONDITION 11 READS THAT THE APPLICANT AND OR PROPERTY OWNER SHALL INSPECT THE EXISTING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES AND CAUSE TO HAVE ANY MAINTENANCE OR REPAIRS PERFORMED AS NECESSARY TO ENSURE THE SYSTEM IS FUNCTIONING AS DESIGNED SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE TOWN ENGINEER.
THE SECOND IS CONDITION 12, WHICH STATES THE APPLICANT SHALL ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPING IN THE FRONT YARD WITH ADDITIONAL NATIVE PLANTINGS TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER.
UM, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT DECISION? NO.
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A MOTION TO, UH, SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY TWO ACTIONS TO TAKE.UH, THE FIRST WOULD BE TO CLASSIFY THE PROPOSED ACTION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA.
AND THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE TO VOTE ON THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UM, SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLASSIFY, UH, THIS PROPOSED ACTION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA.
MR. PILLINGER? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, AND THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 17 KLEMMER, UH, WHO IS SEEKING, WHICH IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT DRAFT DECISION? YES.
WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, UH, MR. BRITTON OR, UH, TOWN PLANNER BRITTON, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS? SURE.
UH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A RATHER SIM, UH, STRAIGHTFORWARD DECISION, UH, VERY COMMON FOR THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION.
THERE ARE TWO SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
I WOULD DRAW THE BOARD'S ATTENTION TO CONDITION 4.1.
UH, SO AS, UH, MAY HAVE COME UP IN DISCUSSION, THE, UM, THE GARAGE AS PROPOSED FOR DEMOLITION ON THE SITE IS GREATER THAN 50 YEARS OLD.
IT WAS FROM A SEARS CATALOG, UH, BACK IN THE DAY.
AND SO IT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE HISTORIC, UH, AND LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD.
UH, UH, IN RECOGNITION OF THAT, UH, WE HAVE INCLUDED CONDITION 4.1, WHICH, UH, READS, AS THE PROJECT INVOLVES THE DEMOLITION OF A STRUCTURE GREATER THAN 50 YEARS OLD, THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION, UH, SHALL FORWARD ANY RECOMMENDATION RECEIVED FROM THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AFTER DISCUSSION, UH, WITH THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIR, UH, THAT CONDITION WE JUST READ IS SLIGHTLY MODIFIED FROM WHAT WAS DISTRIBUTED IN THE PACKETS.
UH, NOTABLY THE LAST BIT, UH, REQUIRING THE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION TO BE RECEIVED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT SUBMISSION HAS BEEN REMOVED.
UM, AND THEN IT ALSO TAKES THE, THE, I I IMAGINE IN MOST CASES, IF NOT ALL CASES, IT IS THE, THE DEPARTMENT, UH, OF PLANNING, WHICH IS SUBMITTING THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE, UH, BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT ALSO INCLUDED LANGUAGE ABOUT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTING, UH, APPLICATIONS.
AND, UH, I FEEL IT, IT, IT WOULD BE MORE STREAMLINED FOR HAVING THE DEPARTMENTS TO COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT PUTTING THE ONUS ON THE APPLICANT TO ALSO, UH, SHARE THAT RECOMMENDATION.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? THE REVISION? IS THERE ANY, UM, TIMELINE? UH, NO.
WHEN, WHEN, UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONSERVATION RECEIVES IT, WE WILL FORWARD IT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THE OTHER SITE SPECIFIC CONDITION IS CONDITION 8.3 UNDER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH READS THAT THE TOWN ENGINEER SHALL CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT AS REPRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS? ALRIGHT, THEN WE HAVE, UH, THREE ACTIONS TO TAKE.
UM, THE FIRST WOULD BE TO CLASSIFY THE PROPOSED ACTION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA, UH, TO VOTE ON THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND TO VOTE ON THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLASSIFY, UH, THIS PROPOSED ACTION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA.
UM, NEXT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR, UH, AS AMENDED FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
UH, AND LASTLY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AS AMEND AS AMENDED.
UM, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 0 5 2 0 5 2 0 7 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, UH, WHICH IS SEEKING AN AMENDED SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE BUFFER WAIVERS.
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PLEASE, UH, APPROACH THE PODIUM? AND GOOD EVENING.THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.
MY NAME IS GIOVANNI ZAPA, REGISTER ARCHITECT IN NEW YORK.
UH, REPRESENTED MY CLIENTS THAT THEY ARE HERE WITH ME.
UH, BASICALLY, UH, WE HAD, UM, A VISIT FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT PLANNING BOARD, AND, UH, AND ONE OF THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO SEE THE SITE YESTERDAY.
UH, ONE OF THE ASPECTS THAT WE, WE WENT, WE, WE SAW IN THE, IN THE SITE IS, FIRST OF ALL, DO DO THE, THE SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY LINES.
BASICALLY, WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH SPACE TO, TO IMPROVE WITH SOME S GROUPS OR SOME AREAS AND GREEN AREAS.
LET ME TRY TO, TO SHOW WHAT WE FOUND AND WE TRY TO, LEMME SEE IF I CAN, I CAN.
SO WHILE YOU PULL THAT UP, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY NO.
MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD ATTENDED THE SITE VISIT MYSELF AS A MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONSERVATION ATTENDED, UH, MS. GARRITY, THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR, ATTENDED MS. MAGANA FIRST DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY, AND MR. CAPLA, THE TOWN ENGINEER, ATTEND THE SITE VISIT.
JUST SO IT'S CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD
SO CAN I SHARE MY, MY SCREEN PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UH, IF YOU SEE THE SIDE PLAN IN THE RIGHT HAND, THIS RIGHT HAND.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO MAKE SOME, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE ACCORDING TO RECOMMENDATION FROM THE, UH, FOR, FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING BOARD AS YOU SEE THE PROPERTY LINES, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE FRONT.
SO WE WILL HAVE SO MUCH SPACE TO, TO IMPROVE SO MANY AREAS, UH, FOR WITH THE SCREWS OR MAYBE SOME AREAS FOR SOME OTHER ELEMENTS, UH, IN THE, IN THE SIDE.
SO, EH, IF YOU SEE THE DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVEWAY AREA, WHICH IS THERE AREA, THE, THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE FOR STIPULATION, COULD YOU ZOOM IN A COULD YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE? ON THE IMAGE? LEMME SEE.
SO, UM, THE, THE DRIVEWAY, THE DRIVEWAY IS EIGHT FEET, SIX INCHES.
SO BASICALLY WE DON'T HAVE SO MUCH SPACE TO, TO, TO PUT SOME, UH, UM, GREEN AREAS.
AND, UH, UH, I IN THE, IN THE, IN THE BACK ALSO.
SO ONE WE ARE PROPOSING IS KEEPING THE NINE SPACES.
WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE ONE PARKING FOR HANDICAPPING IN THE BACK.
WE, UH, ONE PARKING ON THE CORNER IN THE BACK, EH, FOLLOWING THE, EH, ACCESSIBILITY PARKING SPACE, EH, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THE PROPOSAL INITIALLY.
ALL OF THE PARKING AREAS ARE NINE BY 18, AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE A CIRCULATION FOR 18 FEET AND EH, CLOSE TO THE, TO THE BUILDING.
WE ARE LEAVING A, A RE UH, A RIBBON CLOSE TO THE BUILDING IN.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING SOME PLANTS, SOME, SOME PLANTERS IN ORDER TO AVOID ANY PROBLEM WITH THE CIRCULATION OF THE CARS, EH, AND WE ARE GONNA LEAVE IN THE, IN THE CENTER, A CIRCULATION TO GO OR TO USE THE, THE BACK DOOR FOR THE BASEMENT ALSO.
UM, I, YOU SEE THE, THE LEG FOR THE CIRCULATION, IT GOES TO THE REGULATIONS OF THE, WITH THE NEW STAKE CODE AND THE INTERNATIONAL CODE FOR PARKING SPACES, WE ARE GONNA HAVE ALL OF THE NINE BY 18 CIRCULATION 18.
AND THE CIRCULATION OF THE DRIVEWAY IS GONNA BE EIGHT FEET, SIX INCHES.
AND ON THE FRONT WE ARE PROPOSING, UH, A HANDICAP RAMP ON THIS AREA ON THE LEFT OF THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO HAVE,
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UH, UH, ACCESS TO DISABILITY, DISABILITY PERSON.AND WE ARE GONNA PROPOSE SOME PLANTERS, UH, AGAINST THE WALL OF THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, IN ORDER TO, TO HAVE SOME GREEN AREAS IN THE SPACE.
I, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE LOCATION OF THE, UH, A DA SPOT WAS ADJUSTED SLIGHTLY BASED ON THE SITE VISIT YESTERDAY.
UM, ARE, ARE THOSE PLANS REVISED OR ARE THEY STILL YES.
THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE, AFTER THE YESTERDAY VISIT MM-HMM
SO WE UPDATE THE PLANS AND I SEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE CHANCE TO, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SITE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT WERE, UM, WERE TO BE UPDATED ON THE PLANS.
ARE THOSE UPDATED AS WELL? THEY HAVE, EXACTLY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HE, HE SO, UM, GOING BACK AND FORTH HERE, YES, THEY'RE INCLUDED IN THIS SET OF PLANS.
AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF, WE HAVE A NEW MEMBER PRESENT.
AND, UM, JUST TO UPDATE THE BOARD BASED UPON, SO WE, OUR LAST DISCUSSION, THERE WAS, UH, REQUEST FOR A GREENING UP THE SPACE ADDING, YOU KNOW, PLANTER BOXES SINCE IT'S ENTIRELY IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
UM, INITIALLY THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT PUTTING THEM ON THE SIDE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY AND IT'S, UH, SPLITS THE PROPERTY LINE AS THE, THE OWNER OWNS BOTH LOTS.
UM, UPON VISITING THE SITE, IT WAS DETERMINED IT'S TOO NARROW TO DO SO THERE MM-HMM
WHICH IS WHY THEY RELOCATED THE PLANTER BOXES TO THE REAR OF THE SITE.
UM, AND ALSO ARE GOING TO INCLUDE PLANTER BOXES ON THE FRONT STOOP OR A G OR, UH, ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING RIGHT BACK TO THE, AND THE, UH, PARK, THE RAMP ON THE FRONT HAS TO DO WITH THE, IT'S TIED TO THE COMMERCIAL SPACE AND THEY'RE REPAIRING THE FIRE AXIS.
IT'S GOTTA BE THE FIRE, FIRE, THE FIRE.
UM, IF THEY CAN, IT HAS TO BE CERTIFIED.
IF NOT, THEN THEY'LL REPLACE IT.
AND WHAT AM I MISSING? OH, THE A DA SPACE WAS RELOCATED.
INITIALLY IT WAS MORE CENTERED AND THERE WAS, UH, HATCHING ON BOTH SIDES AND IT'S BEEN, UH, MOVED AS IT WAS.
IT'S, IT WAS A VERY TIGHT SPACE MM-HMM
AND SO, UH, THIS SATISFIES THE NEEDS TO CIRCULATE THE SITE AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND FOR THE NEW MOTOR, IT MEET MEETS BOTH THE A DA REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO GIVES VEHICLES SOME TURNING SPACE, CORRECT? YES, CORRECT.
BASICALLY THE ONE THAT ONE I WANNA FOR THE NEW MEMBERS IS, UH, THIS IS A, UM, MULTIFAMILY OR MIXED BUILDING.
AND THAT IS A NONCONFORMING, UH, AREA AND IS A NONCONFORMING IN THE, LIKE, LIKE THE INDUSTRIAL.
SO THE BUILDING ITSELF IS NON-CONFORMING IN ALL OF THE WAYS, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT, BUT ALSO THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING, THE USE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE PROPOSING TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN IN ORDER TO KEEP THE NINE SPACES IN THE BACK.
AND WE ARE DOING A VERY MAJOR RENOVATION IN THE, IN THE, IN THE BUILDING.
AND WE ARE ADDING, UH, MORE SPACE FOR RESIDENTIAL.
AND WE ARE GONNA KEEP JUST ONE OF THE RETAIL STORES ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
UM, TOWN PLANNER BRITAIN, UH, I, I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS THE LAST MEETING, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF OUR, OUR NEW MEMBERS, UM, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THE VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT? SURE.
SO THERE ARE SEVEN AREA VARIANCES REQUIRED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, AS IDENTIFIED BY THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THEY ARE FOR MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE FROM 80% REC, UH, PERMITTED TO 100% PROPOSED.
THE MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING FROM 25 FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET PROPOSED THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM NORTH SIDE PROPERTY LINE TO PARKING LOT FROM 25 FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET.
PROPOSED THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM SOUTH SIDE PROPERTY LINE TO PARKING LOT FROM 25 FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET, PROPOSED THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM REAR PROPERTY LINE TO PARKING LOT, UH, FROM 25 FEET REQUIRED TO ZERO FEET, PROPOSED TO INCREASE A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH IS IN THIS CASE OF THE PARKING LOT, SO AS TO INCREASE SUCH NON-CONFORMANCE AND TO INCREASE THE NON-CONFORMING MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE WHERE ONLY ONE MULTI ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE IS PERMITTED.
SO AS TO INCREASE SUCH NON-CONFORMANCE BY EXPANDING ONE OF THE SECOND FLOOR APARTMENTS INTO ONE OF THE VACANT FIRST FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACES.
THERE ARE ALSO LANDSCAPE BUFFER WA UH, WAIVERS THAT ARE REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND SHOULD THE BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD NOT GRANT THOSE WAIVERS, THOSE WILL ALSO BE VARIANCES REQUIRED FROM THE ZONING BOARD.
AND, AND OF THESE VARIANCES, UM, HOW MANY REFLECT THE, THE REALITIES OF THE EXISTING CONDITION
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AND, UH, CODIFYING THE SITE PLAN? AND HOW MANY ARE VARIANCES RELATED TO, UH, I GUESS NEW, NEW WORK CONDUCTED BY THE APPLICANT? SURE.SO ALL OF THESE VARIANCES ARE, UH, DUE TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE, UH, THERE SIMPLY IS NO SITE PLAN APPROVAL ON RECORD FOR THIS PROPERTY.
SO AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, UH, SHOULD THEY OBTAIN APPROVAL, THEY'LL HAVE, UH, LEGALIZED THE SITE IN ALL RESPECTS.
UM, SO NONE OF THESE VARIANCES REFLECT NEW CONDITIONS.
UH, UM, EXCEPT FOR NUMBER SEVEN, I BELIEVE, EXCEPT FOR NUMBER SEVEN, THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, THE INCREASE OF A NON-CONFORMING MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE, WERE ONLY ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE IS PERMITTED.
THEY ARE, UH, EXPANDING THE RESIDENCE TO THE FIRST ONE OF THE FIRST FLOOR SPACES, BUT IT'S REALISTICALLY CONVERTING EXISTING COMMERCIAL INTO RESIDENTIAL.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON ANY OF THOSE VARIANCES? OKAY.
UM, SO TYPICALLY AT THIS STAGE, WE WOULD, UH, DIRECT THE STAFF TO DRAFT A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CONDUCT A, A STRAW POLL TO GIVE THE STAFF SOME DIRECTION ON HOW TO DRAFT THAT DECISION, UM, FOR THE SAKE OF OUR NEW MEMBERS, TOWN PLANNER BRITAIN.
DO YOU HAVE, I KNOW AARON TYPICALLY, OR, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT TYPICALLY HAS, UH, THE LANGUAGE, THE GUIDELINES THAT WE TYPICALLY USE FOR POSITIVE, NEUTRAL AND NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
DO YOU HAVE THAT ON HAND OR CAN, CAN YOU MAYBE, UH, OPINE ON THAT BRIEFLY FROM MEMORY? SO UNFORTUNATELY I DO NOT HAVE IT ON HAND, BUT I CAN OPINE ON THAT FROM MEMORY.
UH, THE ZONING BOARD HAS INDICATED THAT IT FINDS IT HELPFUL TO RECEIVE THIS RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT THE PLANNING BOARD MAY RECOMMEND, IT MAY ISSUE A POSITIVE, NEGATIVE OR NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIOUS AREA VARIANCES.
TYPICALLY, UH, UNLESS THERE'S A COMPELLING PLANNING REASON TO, UH, GO POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE ON A PARTICULAR VARIANCE, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD ISSUES A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, THAT MORE OR LESS STATES, UH, INDICATES THAT THE VARIANCE IS WHOLLY WITHIN THE REALM OF THE ZONING BOARD.
THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT PLANNING IMPLICATIONS TO THE VARIANCE.
UH, POSITIVE VARI, UH, RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE PLANNING BOARD INDICATING THAT IT FEELS THAT THE VARIANCE MATERIALLY IMPROVES THE PROJECT, UH, SUCH AS REDUCING A SETBACK TO SAVE SOME NATURAL FEATURES.
AND THE NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE, WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD FEELS THAT THE VARIANCE ACTIVELY DIMINISHES, UH, FROM THE PROJECT
UM, SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, DOES THE BOARD HAVE A SENSE OF IF, AND WE CAN TAKE THESE ONE BY ONE OR WE CAN TAKE THEM AS A GROUP, UM, BUT DOES, DOES ANYONE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT, UH, THE SEVEN VARIANCES BEING ANYTHING BUT NEUTRAL? DOES ANYONE FEEL THAT ANY OF THEM SHOULD BE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE? ALRIGHT, THEN DO WE WANNA CONDUCT A FORMAL STRAW POLL OR DO WE FEEL THAT'S ENOUGH TO, EXCUSE ME, MA'AM.
SO BASICALLY THE APPLICATION WAS FOR, UH, SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO RECORD ABOUT THE, THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT, BUT THERE IS A ZONING BOARD IN 19, IN 1983 THAT GRANTED THIS PARKING SPACE.
SO WE SUPPOSE, BUT EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO RECORD, BUT WE SUPPORT THAT THERE IS SOMETHING FROM THE PLANNING BOARD HAPPENED, BUT IT'S NOT BASICALLY IN RECORDS ABOUT IT.
SO IT, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THE SONY BOARD APPROVED THOSE PARKING SPACES IN 1983, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO, TO AMEND THIS I PLAN, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO, I MEAN, SURE.
AND, AND SO IF, IF THAT, IF THAT HAD NOT BEEN APPROVED IN 83, WOULD WE ALSO BE CONSIDERING A, A PARKING REDUCTION AT THIS POINT FROM 14 TO NINE? YEAH.
AND, AND SO THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE A SHARE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION IS BECAUSE THAT HAD ALREADY PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED.
AND ALSO SOMETHING TO NOTE IS WHEN THAT NINE WAS APPROVED, THE A DA REQUIREMENTS WERE NOT IN PLACE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THEY'VE, THEY'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO ADAPT THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING SITE, WHICH IS, IS, UH, VERY, IT'S KIND OF IMPROVEMENT ANYWAYS, UNDER, UNDER UNDERSIZED TO, TO INCLUDE
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THE NEW A DA SPACE AS WELL.UM, SO ANY, ANY OTHER OPINIONS ON THE VARIANCE? ALRIGHT, THEN I, UH, I THINK, UH, STAFF HAS ENOUGH YEAH.
UM, INFORMATION TO DRAFT UP A RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCES FOR CONSIDERATION AT THE NEXT, UH, PLANNING BOARD MEETING ON MARCH 4TH.
UH, NOW, UH, MOVING INTO NEW BUSINESS, WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 39, GALVANIZE, LLC 85 1 OH AND 1 0 1 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UH, WHICH IS SEEKING AN AMENDED SITE PLAN, A WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT, AND A TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT.
AND WE HAVE, UH, MR. BERNSTEIN HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
UH, THIS IS, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR, UH, AMENDED SITE PLAN, UH, WETLAND WATER COSTS PERMIT, AND A TREE PERMIT.
UH, WHAT, UH, THE, AND I'M WITH THE CLIENT, UH, UH, GALVANIZE.
UH, THIS IS CONRAD CUTLER, UH, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY.
UH, UH, THIS IS A BUSINESS THAT, UH, IS A BEVERAGE RECYCLING BUSINESS.
THEY ALREADY HAVE A FACILITY AT 50 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, SO THEY'RE EXPANDING THEIR BUSINESS.
THEY'RE EXPANDING THEIR BUSINESS BY, BY ACQUIRING 85 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UM, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY A JOINT APPLICATION WITH THE OWNER OF 1 0 1 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD BECAUSE SOME OF THE WORK REQUIRED TO DO WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO, UH, WOULD, WOULD AFFECT, UH, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY AT 1 0 1.
UH, THIS WAS CONTEMPLATED BY THE ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, UH, ROBERT MARTIN, OR ONE OF HIS AFFILIATES OWNS 1 0 1.
THESE PROPERTIES ARE IN THE PD, UH, UH, UM, NON-RESIDENTIAL, UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, DISTRICT.
UH, SO THIS IS A LIGHT COMMERCIAL AREA.
AND, UH, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS ESSENTIALLY, UH, PUT IN LOADING DOCKS OR LOADING BOOTHS IN THE REAR AND IN THE FRONT.
UH, AND THEY'RE EXPANDING THE DRIVEWAY, UH, UH, AND THE TURNAROUND FOR THE DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT, UH, ENCROACHES ON THE PROPERTY OF 1 0 1, THERE IS A VARIANT, A VARIANCE, AN EASEMENT, UH, THAT WAS GRANTED BY THE OWNER OF 1 0 1, UH, AS PART OF THIS TRANSACTION TO FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT, UH, UH, LOADING BER, UH, AND, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE REAR.
UH, THE REASON FOR THE WETLANDS, UH, UH, PERMIT IS THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN THE WETLANDS BUFFER.
THERE IS TECHNICALLY A STREAM ACROSS THE STREET FROM EXEC, UH, EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, SO THE STORMWATER PLAN, UH, UH, TAKES THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, WE MET, UH, LAST WEEK WITH THE CAC.
AND THE CAC RECOMMENDED THAT THE PLAN BE MODIFIED TO INCLUDE A SEPARATOR OIL BECAUSE THERE'LL BE TRUCKS AND THEY WANT TO BE SURE THAT THE OIL FROM THE TRUCKS, UH, DOESN'T POLLUTE THE WATER THAT ULTIMATELY, I GUESS, GOES TO, UH, THE SAWMILL OR SOME EVENTUALLY.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, WE WERE TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT.
UH, AND SO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UM, PREPARED A SUPPLEMENTAL SHEET OR REPLACEMENT SHEET FOR THE SHEET THAT, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE, UH, SEPARATOR, SHE GETS HAND UP TO THE BOARD, HAS AN OPINION ON THE TREE SPECIES.
IT JUST DETAILS THE OIL, WATER SEPARATOR AND ADDITION TO THE, SO WE WOULD, OBVIOUSLY, WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE APPLICATION? AND TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE CAN I TELL YOU ABOUT THIS APPLICATION.
DID, UH, DID THE CAC ALSO, UH, HAVE A PERSPECTIVE ON THE SPECIES OF TREES? YES, THEY DID
UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, WE'LL, UH, MAKE SENSE.
UH, WE, WE'D RATHER NOT PUT IN SOMETHING THAT THE DEER WILL EAT, UH, AND, UH, UH, IT'LL WORK OUT ALL AROUND THE PURPOSE OF THE TREES.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE TO REPLACING ONE TREE.
UH, THEY'RE PUTTING IN 10 TREES OR SHRUBS.
IT'S BASICALLY TO SHIELD, UH, THE FRONT OF THE, UH, UH, AREA FROM WHERE THE
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TRUCKS WILL BE UNLOADING THE, UH, THE RECYCLED MATERIALS.UH, SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
UH, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO.
THERE ARE NO VARIANCES REQUIRED AND, UH, UH, IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE TOWN, UH, TO EXPAND A LOCAL BUSINESS.
UH, AND, UH, IT'S A GOOD BUSINESS, UH, UH, AND, UH, ONE THAT, UH, UH, THE TOWN SHOULD BE PROUD TO HAVE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS APPLICATION? NO.
UM, I HAD ONE QUESTION ACTUALLY.
UM, MS. MADONNA, WHAT WAS THE, THE DATE OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING? I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND THAT 85 EXECUTIVE WAS BUILT IN THE, CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? SORRY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT THEN, UM, I GUESS I DIRECT STAFF TO SCHEDULE THE PROJECT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR MARCH 4TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
YOU SEE THAT WHEN, UH, WHEN YOU SUBMIT FOR THAT, UH, CAN YOU PLEASE JUST MAKE SURE THE PLANS ARE UPDATED TO INCLUDE THOSE REVISED TREE SPECIES? UH, I BELIEVE THE LATEST TO INCLUDE THE AMERICAN YEW, UH, WHICH WAS NOT RECOMMENDED BY THE CAC.
SO WE WILL PUT IN THE, UH, WE'LL EITHER PICK ONE OR WE'LL JUST SAY ANY ONE OF THE, THE MANY THAT THEY MAKE RECOMMENDED.
WE LIKE OUR DIVERSE SPECIES OF TREES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG
WITH THAT IN MIND, THE APPLICANT IS HEARD AND WE WILL, UH, REVISE THE PLAN ACCORDINGLY.
UH, AND IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'RE GONNA NEED FOR MOST OF YOU THINK? UH, SO STAFF WILL PREPARE THE NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WE WILL SEND YOU, UH, INFORMATION WHEN THAT NOTICE IS READY TO BE MAILED OUT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET.
AND WE'LL PREPARE A SIGN FOR PICKUP AND POSTING.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 19, UH, BJA AT FIVE FARM WAY DRIVE, UH, PO LEY, UH, WHICH IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, SORRY, PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, AND, AND I'LL ASK THE BOARD TO, UH, KEEP ITS COMMENTS TO, UH, MATTERS RELATED TO THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, AS THE CHAIRMAN STATED, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW HOUSE ON, UM, A LOT THAT WAS PART OF A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS PROBABLY DONE 5, 6, 7 YEARS AGO.
IT'S THE LAST LOT, UH, OF FIVE, I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, IT, THE, THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE IS THERE, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT SIZE HOUSE, BUT THAT WHOLE PROPERTY, ALL THOSE PROPERTIES ARE VERY LARGE HOMES.
AND THIS IS NOT, NOT THE LARGEST BY ANY MEANS, BUT IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THE NATURE OF THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE, UM, THE, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, UH, GOES THROUGH A PORTION OF LAND AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
UM, THAT IS, UM, 25 TO 35, I BELIEVE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE A BIG, UH, SLOPE.
BUT IF YOU CAN SEE THE SECTION THROUGH THE HOUSE, YOU CAN SEE THE DARK LINE GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT ACROSS THE SECTION REPRESENTS THE ACTUAL GRADE.
SO THE HOUSE ACTUALLY IS DESIGNED WITH THE GRADE IN MIND SO THAT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, WHICH CORRESPONDS WITH THE BASEMENT, IS TURNS OUT TO BE A, A PERFECTLY WALKOUT ELEVATION WITHOUT ANY FILLING, WITHOUT ANY MAJOR EARTH EXCAVATION.
UM, THE DRAINAGE FOR THE HOUSE HAS BEEN DESIGNED AND APPROVED, UH, BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
WE HAD TO DO, UM, ALL KINDS OF, UH, TESTING.
THEY REQUIRED IT, UH, OF COURSE WE PERFORMED THAT.
UM, THE, UM, BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALSO TAKE, TOOK A LOOK AT THE AREAS OF COVERAGE AND SO ON.
UM, UH, THE TREES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PLANTING, UM, WILL BE IN THE PERIMETER, UH, OF THE HOUSE.
WE, I THINK WE ONLY TOOK ONE OUT AND THERE MAY BE ONE MORE THAT IS DYING, THAT IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE THAT WILL BE TAKEN OUT.
UM, BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY, UH, SUBSTITUTE PROBABLY 2020 TREES, UH, AND, AND, AND SHRUBS ALL AROUND THE, UH, THE HOUSE.
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UH, WAS REQUIRED OF US WAS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED.AND, AND SO WE NEED, WE NEED YOUR APPROVAL FOR THE STEEP, UH, PERMIT AND SOIL EROSION CONTROL PLAN TO GO AHEAD AND FILE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
BY THE WAY, WE DON'T NEED ANY VARIANCES OF ANY KIND.
IT, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, FIT THE BUILDING, UH, WITHIN THE SETBACKS.
CAN YOU JUST TALK THROUGH THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS A SERIES OF CALTECH UNITS THAT WILL BE STRATEGIC, STRATEGICALLY PLACED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE ALL THE VOLUME OF A 100 YEAR STORM FROM THE REAR, FROM THE ROOFS, FROM THE DRIVEWAYS.
AND THERE ARE 1, 2, 3, 4 PODS THAT WILL BE, UH, RESPONSIBLE FOR HANDLING THE VOLUME OF THE WATER.
IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
IS IT A 100 YEAR STORM? 100 YEAR STORM? YES.
AND, AND SO THAT'S IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES? YES, CORRECT.
WELL, WE, WE DESIGN THAT EVEN FOR MORE THAN A HUNDRED.
I, I, I ALWAYS DO THAT FOR EVERY SUBMISSION.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
UM, THEN I DIRECT STAFF TO SCHEDULE, UH, THIS PROJECT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AT OUR MARCH 4TH PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
LIKE I SAID, WELCOME TO THE NEW MEMBERS.
YOU'LL BE SEEING MY FACE MORE AND MORE
SO WE'LL PREPARE THE NOTICE FOR YOU AND THE SIGNAGE AND REACH OUT LATER WEEK LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO.
UM, REGARDING CASE NUMBER PB 1526 NOLO AT 14 CASTLE WALK, UM, WE HEARD, WE, WE RECEIVED NO RECEIVED WORD FROM THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER THIS AFTERNOON, UM, WHO IS NEW TO THE PROJECT THAT UPON REVIEWING SOME OF THE PLANS, UH, THEY IDENTIFIED SOME DISCREPANCIES THAT THEY WANTED TO CLEAN UP BEFORE UH, THE PROJECT CAME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD.
AND SO THEY'VE REQUESTED, UM, THAT WE REMOVED THIS PROJECT FROM THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
UM, AND THEY INTEND TO HAVE EVERYTHING READY FOR US FOR THE MARCH 4TH MEETING.
UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WORTH NOTING THAT THAT WAS IT.
SO THEN NEXT UP WE HAVE PB 25 13 CONE, ADD ZERO, PETER BOND ROAD, PO IRVINGTON, NEW YORK.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND RETRIEVABLE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, BEFORE THEY GET STARTED, I, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT HE SAID THAT MADE ME REALIZE THAT SOMETHING FROM THE PRIOR APPLICATION MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT IN THE, UM, PERMIT APPROVAL.
SORRY, I'LL, I'LL, I, UM, GOING BACK TOMMER 95 ARDSLEY ROAD MM-HMM
THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT.
I THOUGHT THAT THEY HAD REPRESENTED THAT THEY, THEY WERE GONNA MEET THE 100 YEAR STORM WATER EVENT OR, UM, AND HERE OR STORM, UH, THE 100 YEAR STORM EVENT.
AND HERE IT SAYS 50 YEARS YEAR STORM EVENT.
I, MY NOTES HAVE IT AS A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT.
AND WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, UM, TOWN STANDARD IS 25 YEAR STORM 25.
GOOD EVENING, GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M THE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT FOR MR. CONE WHO IS HERE AS WELL.
HE IS THE ARCHITECT, UH, AS WELL AS THE LANDOWNER FOR ZERO PETER BOND, UH, SLASH BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
UM, I HAVE, UH, YOU, UM, I ASSUME YOU HAVE THE, THE DRAWINGS.
UM, DO YOU NEED ME TO SHARE OR ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE? UH, I, I'M NOT ON ZOOM RIGHT NOW, SO IF, IF YOU CAN SHARE IT, I'M JUST GONNA GO THROUGH, SINCE THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME PRESENTING TO THE BOARD HERE, UH, I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THE, THE PROJECT AND, AND SOME OF THE SPECIFICS.
UM, SO BASICALLY ZERO PETER BOND ROAD, UH, IT'S A VACANT 4.79 ACRE LOT.
IT IS A WOODED LOT THAT WAS, UH, ONCE USED AS A GIRL SCOUT CAMP.
UH, THERE WERE REMNANTS OF, UH, CAMP FIRING AND, UH, I THINK A COUPLE OF, UH, OLD, UH, CONCRETE STRUCTURES THAT WERE USED AS STORAGE AND, AND LATRINES AND WHATNOT.
SO IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR A WHILE.
MR. COHEN PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE'LL JUST BACK UP A LITTLE BIT.
I THINK, UH, PROBABLY BACK IN THE, THE LATE EIGHTIES, I THINK THERE WAS A
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DEVELOPER THAT HAD TRIED TO MAKE A, UH, SIX OR SEVEN UNIT SUBDIVISION IN THAT AREA, UM, THAT GOT SHOT DOWN BY THE BOARD.SO THE, IT'S, IT'S BEEN KIND OF VACANT SINCE THEN.
SO MR. ENCE PRO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AND, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING ON, UH, ON INSTALLING A, UH, BUILDING A, A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THAT, ON THAT LOT.
UH, A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES WITH THAT LOT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, CLEARING AND GRUBBING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THUS, THE, THUS NEEDING THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, THERE'S GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED, WELL, NOT APPROXIMATELY, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED.
AND IN ITS PLACE, THERE'S GONNA BE 76 TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE REPLACED.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE TREES ARE IN THE AREA OF CONSTRUCTION WHERE THE HOUSE IS GONNA GO, WHERE THE STORM WATER FACILITIES ARE GONNA GO, UTILITIES, DRIVEWAY, ET CETERA.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO USE AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE.
IN YOUR PACKET, THERE'S AN ARBOR AER REPORT THAT LISTS THE TREES THAT ARE DAMAGED, THE TREES THAT ARE COMING DOWN, UH, THE TREES THAT WERE, THAT ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED.
UM, SO YOU SAID YOU'RE REMOVING A HUNDRED TREES AND YOU'RE ONLY REPLACING IT WITH 76.
IS THAT, BECAUSE I GUESS THE A NUMBER, MAYBE THE MAJORITY OF TREES THAT YOU'RE REMOVING ARE INVASIVE SPECIES AND UNDER THE CODE DON'T REQUIRE REPLACEMENT.
AND THERE'S A, YOU BEAT ME TO, AND ALSO THE SITE IS CONSIDERED AN UNDEVELOPED WOODED LOT, SO THEY ONLY HAVE A 30%, UH, REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT OKAY.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF INVASIVE SPECIES.
THERE'S A HUGE PATCH OF BARBERRY, WHICH, UH, I WAITED THROUGH, UM, AS I, YOU KNOW, TOOK A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND TOOK A LOOK AT WHERE STORM WATER WAS GONNA GO, ET CETERA.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THERE'S THE TREE REMOVAL PORTION OF, OF, OF THE PROJECT.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A, A WETLAND THAT IS ON THE LOWER PORTION OF THE PROJECT, UH, CORNER, SORT OF ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THERE IS A 100 FOOT, UH, WETLAND SETBACK WHERE PART OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE IT WILL BE SITTING WITHIN, UM, THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF GETTING HERE.
UH, WE, WE DID MEET WITH, UH, DEC OUT THERE.
UH, WE DID DO THE JURISDICTION DETERMINATION.
THEY DETERMINED THAT IT WAS, UH, UH, ND C'S PURVIEW AND WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN A DEC PERMIT, UM, FOR CONSTRUCTION WITHIN THAT A HUNDRED FOOT WETLAND BUFFER.
SO DEC IS WELL AWARE OF IT, THEY'VE SEEN IT, AND THEY'RE, THEY, THEY, THEY AGREE WITH OUR APPROACH AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS REPLANTING SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING AND ET CETERA, WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING WITHIN THE WETLAND ITSELF.
DO YOU WANNA ELABORATE FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD, MATT ON? YEAH, SURE.
SO, UH, JUST TO KIND OF, UH, EXPLAIN WHY THE DEC UH, HAS AN INTEREST IN THIS, UH, PROJECT, UH, STARTING JANUARY 1ST, 2025, THE DEC HAS EXPANDED ITS, UH, JURISDICTION TO ALL WETLANDS OF SPECIAL, UH, IMPORTANCE, WHICH IT DEFINES, UH, IN PART, THERE'S SEVERAL CRITERIA, BUT THE ONE THAT MOST AFFECTS GREENBURG IS WETLANDS WITHIN A DESIGNATED, UH, CENSUS URBAN AREA, UH, OF WHICH GREENBURG IS ENTIRELY WITHIN THE NEW YORK CITY URBAN, UH, AREA AS DEFINED BY THE CENSUS BUREAU.
SO EVERY WETLAND OF ANY SIZE, UH, HAS TO OBTAIN A JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION FOR THE NEW YORK STATE, DEC, UH, AND THE DEC HAS THE AUTHORITY TO EXERCISE JURISDICTION SHOULD SO, WHICH IT HAS DONE.
SO, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AS, UH, THE APPLICANT INDICATED, AND LIKE YOU SAID, AND, AND HOW MANY PROJECTS SINCE THIS LAW WENT INTO EFFECT LAST YEAR, HAS THE DEC UM, ENFORCED? ITS, ITS JURISDICTIONAL.
UH, SO THERE HAVE BEEN TWO PROJECTS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THE, UH, DEC HAS EXERCISED JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION, UM, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND THEN, UM, UH, I BELIEVE THE, DID YOU JUST JOIN ZOOM? I DID.
JIMMY HENDRIX
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AND SO THIS IS THE, THE SECOND PROJECT.AND FOR CONTEXT, OUT OF HOW MANY PROJECTS, THERE HAVE BEEN THREE PROJECTS THAT HAVE HAD, UH, WETLANDS WITHIN THE, SO TWO OF THE THREE, TWO OF THE 3D EC.
AND THE THIRD WAS LEVY? CORRECT.
SO LEVY WAS ONE, AND THEN, AND THEY DETERMINED THAT IF THEY, WHEN THEY PROCEED WITH CONSTRUCTION, EVENTUALLY WHOEVER DOES, IF THEY DO, THEY WOULD, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO D DC PERMIT.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, LAST WEEK ACTUALLY THE, UM, MINOR WETLANDS PROJECT, LAST MEETING, I SHOULD SAY.
UH, THE MINOR WETLANDS PROJECT, THE DC UH, EXERCISE, NO JURISDICTION OVER THAT PARTICULAR WETLANDS.
ANDY, DID YOU WANT ME TO STOP SHARING SO YOU COULD SHARE? NO, NO, NO.
UH, YOU, YOU, WE CAN, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR, YOUR SUITE UP.
AND WHEN, UH, WHEN, UH, MR. CONE BRINGS UP THE SKETCHUP MODEL OF THE, THE HOUSE AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO, UH, SO WETLAND, WE, WE, WE DID, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE DEC PERMIT.
SO I THINK THAT'S, WE'RE GOOD ON THAT FRONT.
UM, THAT WAS THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE.
UH, SO WE DID APPLY THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
UM, IT, SO THERE ARE STEEP SLOPES ON THE PROPERTY.
A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE WORK IS ACTUALLY IN THE STEEP SLOPE AREA.
ACTUALLY, THE HOUSE, I, I KNOW PLAN VIEWS ARE KIND OF REALLY, DOESN'T REALLY SHOW A PICTURE, WHICH IS WHY, UH, MR. COHEN HAS PUT TOGETHER A SKETCHUP MODEL THAT SHOWS THE 3D SURFACES AND EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT THE HOUSE IS REALLY LOCATED IN THE FLAT AS PART OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO REALLY THE ONLY STEEP SLOPES ARE KIND OF A DROP OFF AREA WHERE THE, THE, THE, THE GRADES START SLOPING BACK TOWARDS THE EAST WHERE THE WETLAND IS, WHERE A COUPLE OF THE BUYER RETENTION BASINS ARE GOING.
UM, SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF, UM, US APPLYING FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
UM, A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF, OF THE HOUSE, THERE'S GONNA BE A STORMWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM AND THE STORMWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM, BASICALLY, UH, A THREE BUYER RETENTION BASINS WITH, UH, NATIVE PLANTINGS IN THE TOP PORTION OF THE AREA.
AND THEN, UH, THREE FEET OF A BUYER RETENTION FILTER ME, UH, MEDIA WITH A SIX INCH UNDER DRAIN PIPE AT THE BOTTOM.
WE DID DO TEST PITS OUT THERE.
WE, WE WERE, UH, ABLE TO DESIGN THE BUYER RETENTION BASINS TO PROVIDE FOR THE THREE FOOT OF SEPARATION FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE BUYER RETENTION BASIN TO THE LIMITING, UH, LAYER, UH, BED, UH, BEDROCK IN SOME AREAS AND, UH, GROUNDWATER IN OTHER AREAS.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, CAPTURE, TREAT AND ATTENUATE 25 YEAR STORM FROM THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF THE ROOF, UH, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF THE CARPORT AND SHED, AND THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF THE DRIVEWAYS.
UM, SO THERE'S A, A STORMWATER DESIGN, UH, THAT WAS PERFORMED.
UH, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED, UH, A NOTICE OF INTENT WITH DEC.
UM, THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE DOES EXCEED, UM, THE ONE ACRE.
SO WE WILL BE FILING AN NOI WITH THE DEC.
UH, WE DID PREPARE A STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN THAT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED TO, UH, THE BOARD AS WELL AS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO THAT'S ON THE STORMWATER FRONT.
ON THE UTILITY FRONT, UH, THE PROPERTY IS KIND OF, UH, AT A, A MUCH LOWER ELEVATION.
SO THE SEWER LINE IS GOING TO BE, UM, IT'S GOING TO FLOW INTO A PUMP CHAMBER.
UH, SO WE'RE GOING TO, WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED AN E ONE PUMP SYSTEM FOR THE EFFLUENT FROM THE HOUSE TO BE PUMPED UP TO THE ELEVATION OF AN EXISTING SANITARY FORCE MAIN THAT'S ON TOP OF BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
UH, AND THEN AT THAT SAME LOCATION, THERE'S AN EXISTING WATER MAIN, AN EXISTING GAS, UH, THAT WILL BE CONNECTING TO, UM, AND ACTUALLY, MR. CONE, UH, THERE WAS, UM, SOME NEW INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST, WE, WE JUST FOUND OUT THERE, THERE, THERE ACTUALLY IS A METER PIT AND A ONE INCH WATER TAP THAT GOES TO THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT WAS USED, UH, BY THE GIRL SCOUTS AT ONE POINT, UM, BECAUSE I GUESS MR. COHEN HAS GOTTEN, UH, HAS RECEIVED WATER BILLS FOR APPROXIMATELY $20 FOR THE PAST 60, $160
UM, SO WE WILL, WE WILL, WE WILL BE REVISING THE UTILITY PLAN TO SHOW OUR CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING METER PIT AND, AND, AND TO THE EXISTING LINE.
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MY, MY DESIGN ACTUALLY HAD IT CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING SIX INCH FORCE MAIN, WHICH IS ALL THE WAY UP ON TOP OF THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC ON BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.UM, SO WE MAY SAVE A LITTLE BIT IN THAT, IN THAT REGARD.
UM, UTILITY STORMWATER, UM, DOES THE PROJECT HAVE ANY VARIANCES? THERE ARE A COUPLE OF VARIANCES THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED.
SO 1, 1, 1 HURDLE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE SEWER, IS NOT IN THE GREENBERG SEWER DISTRICT.
UH, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I'M NOT SURE, BUT WE, WE WILL NEED TO, UH, PETITION, UM, THE TOWN BOARD TO ALLOW THIS PROPERTY TO BE IN THE SEWER DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE, ONE THING WE, WE STILL HAVE TO DO.
AND THEN THERE ARE, UM, THERE'S A VARIANCE.
UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A, A 15 FOOT, UM, FRONTAGE, UH, TO THE MAIN ROAD, UM, VARIANCE THAT WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR.
SO 15 FEET IS THE REQUIREMENT.
AND HOW MUCH IS PROPOSED? I THINK, I THINK IT'S 14.
SO THERE'S TWO, UH, VARIANCES THAT ARE REQUIRED.
UH, ONE UNDER NEW YORK, UH, GREENBERG TOWN CODE AND ONE UNDER NEW YORK STATE CODE.
UH, THE VARIANCE, UH, FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE, THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE IS FOR THE REQUIRED STREET FRONTAGE ON A ROAD SUITABLY IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS OR A PUBLIC ROAD.
THE REQUIREMENT IS FOR 25 FEET OF FRONTAGE, AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ZERO FEET OF FRONTAGE, UH, AND FROM NEW YORK STATE TOWN LAW, UH, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PLOT THAT DOES NOT DIRECTLY ABUT A STREET OR HIGHWAY FROM A 15 FEET, UH, ACCESS TO 14 FEET OF ACCESS.
UM, IF YOU COULD, UH, JUST REVIEW THE PROPOSED ACCESS AND EASEMENTS.
SO WE'VE, WE ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF, UH, SO THE, THE, THE, THE END OF BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD, THE EXTENSION OF BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD IS ACTUALLY A SHARED DRIVEWAY.
UM, THERE'S TWO RESIDENCES WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY FEED FEEDS, UH, THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST AND THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST.
UM, SO IN ESSENCE, OUR, OUR DRIVEWAY WOULD BE A CONTINUATION OF THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY GOING, GOING INTO THE LOT.
UH, YOU PREPARED AN EASEMENT, YOU HAVE AN EASEMENT AGREEMENT, UH, WITH THE NEIGHBORING, UH, PROPERTIES FOR THAT ACCESS.
DOES THAT, UH, EASEMENT ALSO INCLUDE MAINTENANCE OF THE DRIVEWAY AND LIKE SNOW REMOVAL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE? I'LL, I'LL LET MS YES, YES.
AND, AND HOW, HOW, HOW DOES THE EASEMENT OUTLINE THAT SNOW REMOVAL AND MAINTENANCE IS ADDRESSED? YEAH, IF YOU WANNA APPROACH THE APPROACH, THE MICROPHONE, WE, WE HAVE A COPY OF AN EASEMENT TOO, RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M THE OWNER, MY WIFE IS HERE, DEBORAH CONE.
UH, I'M ALSO THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT WORKING WITH, UH, ANDY AND AC ENGINEERING, UH, ALSO DID THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SO IN, IN REGARDS TO THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT, UH, WE HAVE A RECORDED EASEMENT AGREEMENT IN THE TA IN THE COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER.
UM, IT'S BEEN WORKED OUT FOR MAINTENANCE, FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE HAVE TO DIG UP THE, UH, LINES FOR THE UTILITIES ON THE DRIVEWAY TO RESTORE THOSE AND RESTORE THE DRIVEWAY BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL, IF NOT ACTUALLY BETTER CONDITION.
UH, SNOW MAINTENANCE, UH, ANY OTHER MAINTENANCE IS SHARED, UH, BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THE TWO OTHER NEIGHBORS, UH, WHO SHARE THE DRIVEWAY AND THE DRIVE.
I JUST WANT TO PUT A LITTLE CONTEXT INTO THIS.
UH, BLUEBERRY HILL SUBDIVISION WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1963, AND IT ENCOMPASSES ALL THE HOUSES AROUND THE CUL-DE-SAC AT BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
UH, BEFORE THAT, IT WAS A GIRL SCOUT CAMP, AND IT WAS A GIRL SCOUT CAMP.
FROM ABOUT THE EARLY FIFTIES TO ABOUT 1963, WE JUST FOUND OUT TODAY, TODAY I, I SPOKE TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT THAT THERE'S A METER ON A WATER LINE AFTER WE CALLED UP THE WATER DEPARTMENT AND ASKED, WHY ARE WE GETTING A BILL FOR $20 EVERY QUARTER WHEN THERE'S NO WATER? AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY WATER AS FAR AS WE KNEW.
AND WHENEVER WE WENT AND WALKED AROUND THE PROPERTY, WE NEVER SAW ANY INDICATION OF ANY WATER LINES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT WE ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A VACANT CAMP, UH, VACANT WOODS.
IT HAD BEEN WOODED FOR BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE BEGINNING OF TIME.
UM, SO WE FOUND OUT TODAY THAT THERE ACTUALLY WAS A WATER METER AT THE PIT, WHICH IS SHARED BY THE OTHER, UH, HOUSES ON THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT THE WETLANDS
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WAS BASICALLY CREATED WHEN THEY BUILT THE SUBDIVISION.SO WHEN THEY BUILT THE SUBDIVISION IN 63, UM, THAT WHOLE AREA, OOPS, SORRY.
LEADING UP TO WHERE OUR PROPERTY STARTS, HAD A WETLANDS IN IT.
AND THEN WHEN THEY BUILT A SUBDIVISION, THEY PUSHED ALL THE LAND.
BASICALLY THEY FORMED, UH, THEY CREATED THE LOTS FOR THE HOUSES ALONG THERE AND DEFINED A STREAM THAT LED THROUGH THERE.
AND THAT THEN CONNECTS TO WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO THEN THE STREAM JUST KIND OF SPILLS INTO OUR PROPERTY, AND IT'S JUST SORT OF A LOOSE WETLANDS.
UH, SO AS FAR AS GOING BACK, I KIND OF DIGRESS A LITTLE BIT.
GOING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, UH, ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
IT'S ALL BEEN RECORDED, EVERYTHING IS TAKEN CARE OF, SNOW REMOVAL, MAINTENANCE REPAIR, UH, RESURFACING, UH, AND THAT WAS WITH THE TWO OTHER PEOPLE WHO SHARE THE DRIVEWAY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
DID YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH YOUR LANDSCAPING? YES.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GIVE THAT TO YOU? SURE, I CAN TAKE THAT.
SO THE $20 WAS NOT A DEAL BREAKER, I TAKE IT FOR, FOR MAKING THE COPIES? NO, NO.
UH, WELL, I MEAN, 20 BUCKS A MONTH, YOU DIDN'T GET ANY WATER.
THE FUNNIEST PART WAS REALLY, THE FUNNIEST PART WAS THE WATER DEPARTMENT TOLD US THAT SIX GALLONS HAVE BEEN USED SINCE BETWEEN 2014 AND TODAY.
EXPENSIVE WATER, SIX GALLONS
SO, UM, DO YOU NEED ME TO BRING IT UP OR WOULD, WOULD YOU PLEASE, LET'S DO THE, LET'S DO THE LANDSCAPING.
OH, YOU WANNA DO THE, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN FIRST? UM, HE, HE'S, I GUESS YOU COULD STOP SHARING.
NO, YOU PLEASE PRESENT WHAT YOUR, OH, THIS IS NOT THE LANDSCAPING, BUT THIS IS A SKETCH UP MODEL I CAN KIND OF GIVE YOU, WE CAN DO THIS, WE CAN DO THAT.
WE CAN DO THE SKETCH UP MODEL THIS OVER HERE.
IT'S KIND OF SCHEMATIC AND RUDIMENTARY AT THIS POINT.
IT, UH, IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A SENSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY.
UH, THE TREES ARE, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY'RE, WE HAD TO MAKE THEM KIND OF SMALL BECAUSE THE MODEL IS, WOULD MAKE IT VERY HEAVY AND WE COULDN'T ACTUALLY MOVE AROUND IN IT.
SO FOR THE MOST PART, THE TREE CANOPY IS COMPLETELY COVERING MOST OF THE SITE, AND THEIR TREES ARE 60 TO A HUNDRED FEET TALL FOR THE MOST PART.
UH, BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE NOW.
LET'S SEE, HOW DO I MOVE THIS AROUND? HERE WE GO.
SO LET'S SEE IF I CAN MOVE THIS AROUND, IF I CAN.
SO IT, IT GIVES YOU ONE TO TRY AND MOVE IT OVER HERE SO WE CAN GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S WITHIN A VALLEY TO SOME DEGREE.
SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S WITHIN A VALLEY AND SEE IF I CAN TURN IT A LITTLE BIT.
YOU GET ALL THIS STRUCTURAL STUFF FROM THE SKETCHUP MODEL IN THERE.
UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE PLANTINGS ALL ALONG THE DRIVEWAY.
AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
THE BAND THAT YOU SEE OF THE DARKER GREEN IS GONNA BE A MEADOW, A NA, A NATIVE MEADOW.
UM, I'M VERY INVOLVED IN, UM, THE LANDSCAPING END OF IT.
SO EVERYTHING IS NATIVE FOR THE MOST PART.
THERE ARE SOME NON-NATIVE TREES, BUT THEY'RE MORE ACCENT FOR THE MOST PART.
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OF THE PLANTINGS ARE, ARE NATIVE IN, IN THE CASE.THIS OVER HERE IS THE CARPORT AND, UH, KIND OF A STUDIO SPACE.
UH, WE PLAN ON DOING SCULPTURE AND ARTWORK IN THERE.
UH, THE HOUSE ITSELF, IF I CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, IS BASICALLY, UM, OH, LET'S GO BACK.
VERY, UH, SIMPLE, MODERN HOUSE, MOSTLY GLASS.
UM, I KIND OF CALL IT THE ICE CREAM SANDWICH 'CAUSE IT'S BASICALLY, UH, A PORCH SURROUNDED BY GLASS WITH ANOTHER OVERHANG.
UM, THEN IF YOU CAN KIND OF, LET'S SEE IF I CAN SEE THIS.
FOR THE CEL SLOWNESS OF THIS, THERE'S A WALKOUT BASEMENT WHICH IS GONNA BE COVERED.
SO THE, THE ACTUAL BASEMENT LEVEL, THE ACTUAL BASEMENT LEVEL ITSELF, UM, HAS THE LAWN OVER TOP OF IT, GOING AROUND IT AND THEN THE WALKOUT AREA HERE, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE A STONE PATIO AS WELL.
AND AS I SAID, THE WETLANDS ARE REALLY NOT A VERY DEFINED WETLAND.
THEY, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF A, A SEASONAL WETLAND.
THE WHOLE AREA GETS KIND OF DAMP AND WET, UH, BUT THERE'S NO REAL STREAM THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.
IT PRETTY MUCH STOPS RIGHT AS IT COMES INTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THAT'LL GIVE YOU A SENSE ALSO OF THE, THESE SLOPES ARE PRETTY HIGH HERE.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S A, A POND UP HERE, WHICH ACTUALLY RUNS DOWN INTO THE WETLANDS WHEN IT OVERFLOWS.
SO IT'S GOT AN OVERFLOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN SOURCES OF WATER THAT GOES INTO THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN UP HERE, THERE'S A HOUSE OFF TO, LEMME SEE IF I CAN MOVE THIS A LITTLE BIT, MOVE THIS ON THIS SIDE OVER HERE, ANOTHER STEEP SLOPE WITH A HOUSE UP HERE IN THAT AREA.
UM, THE DRIVEWAY, LET'S SEE, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, COMES IN RIGHT HERE.
UH, THE OTHER HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE, THERE, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY WITHIN THE WETLANDS ITSELF.
SO THAT'S A PREEXISTING CONDITION SINCE 1963.
AND WE JUST WANT TO, THE DRIVEWAY PRETTY MUCH ENDS RIGHT HERE, AND WE JUST WANT TO CONTINUE IT FROM WHERE IT ENDS GOING UP INTO THE PROPERTY.
SO ANYBODY WANT ME TO, UH, PLAY WITH THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, OR
IT'S, IT'S GOT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO IT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? NO.
UM, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION SLASH POINT.
UM, I, I'M SURE I, I THINK IT'S COME UP IN CONVERSATION BEFORE, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD, UM, WITH THE BUYER RETENTION AREAS, SORRY, GOING BACK TO THE STORMWATER, THE BUYER RETENTION AREAS, YOU HAVE A, A MAINTENANCE PLAN AND THE MANUAL THAT WILL PROVIDE TO ENGINEERING AND FOR, AND INCLUDE IT IN, UH, FUTURE MAINTENANCE PLANS.
THAT'S IN THE APPENDIX OF THE, OF THE SWEP REPORT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SO SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO THE, TO THE LAST APPLICATION, THERE ARE TWO VARIANCES REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, AND SO WE ARE NOW IN A POSITION TO, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO WRITE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA ON THOSE TWO VARIANCES.
UM, BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT WAS OUTLINED EARLIER, ARE THERE ANY STRONG FEELINGS ON, UH, THESE VARIANCES BEING ANYTHING BUT NEUTRAL? SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE FOR THE BOARD'S, UH, BENEFIT IN CONSIDERATION OF THESE VARIANCES, THE APPLICANT DOES OWN AN ACCESS STRIP, WHICH DOES GO OUT TO BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD CONSTRUCTION OF A DRIVEWAY THROUGH THAT ACCESS, WOULD IT, UH, RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT DISTURBANCES TO STEEP SLOPES AND SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTIONS TO THE NEIGHBORS? UH, IT WOULD NOT MAKE, UH, MR. CONE VERY HAPPY OR THE NEIGHBOR'S VERY HAPPY WITH MR. CONE IF HE WERE TO, UH, EXERCISE HIS RIGHT TO BUILD A DRIVEWAY THROUGH THAT, UM, ACCESS INSTEAD OF, UH,
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BUILDING HIS DRIVEWAY OFF OF THE SHARED DRIVEWAY.UM, SO SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER AS IT, UH, THINKS ABOUT.
ITS, SO THEN WALK US THROUGH, SO THE TWO VARIANCES, ONE IS FOR THE FRONTAGE AND ONE IS FOR THE, THE DRIVEWAY.
SO NEW YORKTOWN LAW TWO 80 A REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO A ROAD IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE'S A LITTLE TRICKY 'CAUSE HE DOES HAVE THE, THE PARCEL, BUT THEY'RE NOT USING IT.
THEY'RE USING AN EASEMENT, WHICH IS NOT PERMISSIBLE UNDER TAMA TWO 80 A MM-HMM
I'VE GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE LOCATION.
'CAUSE THEY KEEP LIKE TRYING TO PUT ZERO PETER BUN ROAD INTO GOOGLE MAPS AND IT KEEPS SHOWING UP AS MOUNTAIN ROAD AND I SEE WHERE THE EASEMENT IS.
AND, UM, SO IS IT, JUST SO I CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE, THE ROADS ARE, IS IT, IS IT MOUNTAIN ROAD? MOUNTAIN ROAD USED TO BE CALLED PETER B ROAD.
THEN IT WAS RENAMED MOUNTAIN ROAD.
A PORTION OF IT IS STILL A, OF STILL PETER BT ROAD, WHICH IS WHY IT'S VERY CONFUSING ON THE MAPS AND YES.
AND I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, A REQUEST IN TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS TO PUT AN ACTUAL ADDRESS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BE NINE BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
WHAT THE, THE, THE LETTER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE DPW TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT REQUESTING AN ACTUAL ADDRESS.
UM, THE ZERO P BOND WAS SORT OF LIKE A PLACEHOLDER.
WOULD, UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MAYBE PUT UP THE GIS MAP QUICKLY? SURE.
SO THE BOARD HAS CONTEXT OF WHERE EXACTLY THIS IS AND WHILE, WHILE TOWN PLAN OR BRITAIN DOES THAT.
UM, SO, SO IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF, OF MAKING A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON, ON PROBABLY JUST THE, PROBABLY THE, THE, THE, SO BOTH VARIANCES DO RELATE TO THE DRIVEWAY FRONTAGE AND ACCESS ON A ROAD.
THEY'RE JUST, UH, ONE IS TOWN, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE OTHER IS NEW YORK STATE TOWN LAW.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE, THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING A POSITIVE VARIANCE SINCE, UM, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, NOT SEEKING TO USE IT'S, ITS ACCESS STRIP.
AND INSTEAD, UH, IS, IS HAS AN EASEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH WILL BE FAR LESS DISRUPTIVE TO THE, TO THE SURROUNDING ENVIRONMENT.
UM, OR WE CAN, UH, MAKE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION.
ARE THERE STRONG FEELINGS FROM THE BOARD ON ONE OR THE OTHER? UM, I WAS LEANING TOWARDS NEUTRAL, BUT YOU BROUGHT UP THE POSSIBILITY OF POSITIVE.
AND IS THAT BECAUSE YOU WERE LEANING TOWARDS POSITIVE DYLAN, OR IS THAT
UM, AND CONSIDERING THE, THE ADDITIONAL STEEP SLOPES THAT WOULD BE DISTURBED IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO SEEK TO BUILD ITS OR TO, TO, TO A, A VARIANCE FREE PROJECT, UM, AND PUT ITS DRIVEWAY IN THE ACCESS STRIP.
UM, IT COULD DO THAT, BUT IT WOULD, IT WOULD DISRUPT THE ENVIRONMENT MORE THAN SEEKING THIS, SEEKING THESE VARIANCES AND HAVING THE EASEMENT.
UM, WHICH IS, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY THEY WOULD THEN NEED TO GO IN FRONT OF THE ZBA.
UM, I, I CAN SEE AN ARGUMENT FOR, FOR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, COULD YOU, YOU PUT THE, SO I'VE GOT MY PLANS UP ON MY SCREEN, WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING THE PLANS UP AGAIN AND JUST CLARIFY WHERE THE ACCESS STRIP IS VERSUS WHERE THE EASEMENT IS? WELL, FIR FIRST, LET'S JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THIS QUICKLY.
SO WHEN YOU CAN CHANGE IT TO HYBRID SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A VISUAL AS WELL.
SO IF YOU WANT TO ZOOM IN OR I GUESS WE CAN TURN IT AROUND.
MATT, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT HYBRID GO TO, GO TO BASE MAP? CLICK ON THAT.
SO THE HIGHLIGHTED PARCEL IS THE, UH, PARCEL AND QUESTION FOR THE PROJECT.
AND THIS IS MOUNTAIN ROAD, BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
THIS, UH, STRIP, WHICH IS NOW HIGHLIGHTED IS THE ACCESS STRIP, WHICH IS ALSO OWNED BY THE APPLICANT.
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THE SHARED DRIVEWAY GOES THROUGH, UH, THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AT SEVEN BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.BEFORE HOOKING OVER TO ACCESS THE HOUSE AT EIGHT, UH, BLUEBERRY HILL ROAD.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A DRIVEWAY EXTENSION OFF OF THIS DRIVEWAY UP TO THEIR PROPERTY.
CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THIS, INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE?
SO THEY BOUGHT THAT EXTRA SPACE SO THEY COULD PUT IN A FULL-SIZED ROAD.
SO WHEN THEY ABANDONED THE DEVELOPMENT AND IT, IT SORT OF SAT THERE FOR 15 YEARS OR WHATEVER BEFORE WE PURCHASED IT.
WE PURCHASED IT AND IT, AND INCLUDED THAT LONG STRIP.
BUT THAT STRIP ACTUALLY IS ALREADY ENCROACHED UPON BY OUR NEIGHBOR.
OUR NEIGHBOR BUILT A RETAINING WALL ALONG THERE.
IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN 45 DEGREES, SO WHY DISTURB THEIR LIFE AND DESTROY MORE OF THE ENVIRONMENT? WE THOUGHT WHY NOT JUST USE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WHICH IS ALREADY THERE.
IT WOULD BE EASIER AND BETTER FOR EVERYBODY.
AND SO IT SEEMED LIKE SORT OF A NO BRAINER TO JUST KEEP IT THE WAY IT WAS.
AND, AND CERTAINLY IF THIS WERE SIX HOMES, YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING WHAT WOULD THEN BE EIGHT HOMES ON A SHARED DRIVEWAY WOULD, WOULD BE CHALLENGING.
UM, BUT JUST ADDING ONE ADDITIONAL HOME TO THE DRIVEWAY THAT'S CURRENTLY SERVING THE TWO NEIGHBORS, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MANAGEABLE.
UM, SO I, I, I COULD GO, I CAN GO BOTH WAYS.
I, I CAN GO POSITIVE, I CAN GO NEUTRAL.
I REALLY DEFER TO THE BOARD ON, ON WHAT THE BOARD'S COMFORTABLE WITH.
MY CONCERN WITH THEM CREATING THE NEW DRIVEWAY WAS ALL THE TREES THAT WERE GONNA COME DOWN.
IT'S LIKE, UH, ACCORDING TO THE NOTES, ALMOST A HUNDRED TREES THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN.
WELL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST RELATED TO THE DRIVEWAY.
THAT'S, THAT'S FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT.
SO NO, THERE WAS, UM, SOMETHING ABOUT ADDITIONAL TREES NEEDING TO COME OUT IF THERE WAS A DRIVEWAY TO BE CREATED.
SO, SO HOW MANY ADDITIONAL TREES WOULD BE REMOVED IF YOU, IF YOU USE THE ACCESS DRIVEWAY? WELL, ON, ON THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, THERE IS, UM, A, A HEDGE OF, OF, UM, PINE TREES THAT PRETTY MUCH EXIST JUST ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, THE RIGHT SIDE AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TREES ON THIS STRIP THAT, UH, WE OWN THAT LEADS TO, UH, THEIR PROPERTY.
IT'S, IT'S MAINLY A VERY STEEP SLOPE.
THERE'S ALSO, UH, A RETAINING WALL.
SO IF WE BUILD SOMETHING THERE, YOU CAN SEE HOW CLOSE THE RETAINING WALL WOULD COME TO THAT HOUSE.
I MEAN, YOU'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT
THAT AS FAR AS THE TREES GO, UM, THE A HUNDRED TREES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE REMOVED ARE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF NEAR WHERE THE HOUSE SITE IS.
AND A LOT OF THOSE TREES ARE IN REALLY BAD CONDITION.
THE ARBORIST REPORT, IF YOU, UH, HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, SHOWS THAT, I WOULD SAY MORE THAN 50% ARE IN REALLY BAD CONDITION.
I WASN'T REFERRING TO THE EXTENSION TO BAYBERRY, THOUGH.
I WAS REFERRING TO THEM ACTUALLY CREATING A WHOLE NEW DRIVEWAY.
SO, SO, SO A LOT MORE OTHER THAN THE PINES.
UM, IF, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE PROPOSED USING THE ACCESS STRIP, WERE THERE, WOULD THERE BE ANY OTHER TREE, UH, ANY OTHER TREES THAT WOULD BE DISTURBED? PROBABLY A FEW.
BUT IT'S THE STEEP SLOPES THAT ULTIMATELY, UH, JUST OR COMPELLED YOU TO, TO USE THE, THE SHARED DRIVEWAY AND, AND, AND THE DISTURBANCE TO THE OTHER, UH, PERSON'S HOUSE.
FROM A CONSTRUCTIONIST, FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE FEASIBLE TO USE WHAT'S THERE.
WE EXCAVATE OUR TRENCH, WE PUT IN OUR UTILITIES, WE BACKFILL, AND THEN WE REPAVE AND MAKE THAT SHARED ROAD MUCH BETTER THAN IT ALREADY IS.
I JUST WANT TO ADD, IF, IF WE HAD TO PUT THE DRIVEWAY IN THERE, YOU'RE TALKING
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ABOUT A 30 FOOT TALL STONE RETAINING WALL RUNNING ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH AND, AND ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SERVICE.AND SO YES, YOU WOULD HAVE THE DRIVEWAY NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, SO I, I, I CAN I, I FEEL WE CAN JUSTIFY EITHER NEUTRAL OR POSITIVE, BUT AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL REALLY DEFER TO THE BOARD ON WHAT THE BOARD'S COMFORTABLE WITH.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS UP.
THIS WAS VERY END EXPLAINING THAT, PETER, ON FIRST IS MOUNTAIN ROAD OF COURSE.
UM, I THINK I ACTUALLY AM NOW LEANING TOWARDS POSITIVE.
HOW DOES EVERYONE ELSE FEEL? I'M ALSO LEANING TOWARDS POSITIVE.
THEN I WILL, UH, DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION OF THE ZBA, UH, FOR A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED AT OUR MARCH 4TH MEETING.
HOW ARE WE FEELING? DO YOU WANNA TAKE A QUICK BREAK OR DO YOU WANT TO JUMP INTO FIVE MINUTES? ALRIGHT.
SO LET'S TAKE A QUICK BREAK TO EIGHT.
WELCOME BACK TO, UH, THE WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, IT IS 8:32 PM UH, LAST ON THE AGENDA.
WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 34, JEN KOREAN BARBECUE AT 3 55 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH PO.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT AND A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
I'M MARK NEWMAN WITH BRICKS MOORE PROPERTY GROUP.
OUR COMPANY OWNS DALEWOOD SHOPPING CENTER, THAT'S DALEWOOD ONE, TWO, AND THREE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE CENTER ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UM, AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT WITH ONE OF OUR, UM, NEW, UM, TENANTS AT THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT WE'VE SIGNED A LEASE WITH JEN KOREAN BARBECUE, APPLYING FOR A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION AND A SPECIAL USE PERMIT I HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT.
I, OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, COLETTE DELORO FROM LANG ENGINEERING.
AND I HAVE JOHN MCKAY, UH, ON THE ZOOM FROM JEN KOREAN BARBECUE.
AND I HAVE OUR PROPERTY MANAGER, KELLY WOOD AS WELL ON ZOOM IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP ABOUT OUR SHOPPING CENTER AND OPERATIONS.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I'LL JUST EXPLAIN THAT, UM, WE, THE SPACE THAT GEN KOREAN BARBECUE IS TAKING, UH, OVER AT DALEWOOD ONE IS, UH, ABOUT 10,500 SQUARE FEET.
UH, IT'S A PRETTY LARGE SPACE.
IT WAS LAST OCCUPIED BY VERIZON.
VERIZON VACATED THE SPACE, UH, JULY 31ST, 2022.
SO IT'S BEEN THREE AND A HALF YEARS VACANT NOW, WHICH IS A LONG TIME IN OUR INDUSTRY.
UM, LEASING TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO, TO BACKFILL THE SPACE.
AND WE'VE HAD A FEW DEALS FALL THROUGH.
UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH GEN KOREAN BARBECUE FOR THE LAST YEAR.
AND THIS JUNE WE SIGNED A LEASE WITH THEM, UM, AND SUBMITTED THIS APPLICATION IN OCTOBER.
WE'RE HERE NOW BEFORE YOU TO, UM, JUST GIVE, GIVE A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATION ABOUT WHAT GEN KOREAN BARBECUE, HOW THEY OPERATE THEIR, THEIR RESTAURANT, AND, UH, ALSO HAVE COLETTE WALK THROUGH THE, UM, THE PARKING UTILIZATION STUDY IN SUPPORT OF OUR, UM, REQUEST FOR A PARKING REDUCTION.
SO, WITH THAT, COLETTE, WOULD IT BE YOU WANT TO TAKE OVER AT THIS POINT? OR DO YOU WANT JOHN TO SPEAK? OKAY.
WELL, WE COME TO YOU TONIGHT 'CAUSE WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT, UH, THIS OPPORTUNITY TO OUR RESTAURANT IN, UH, IN DALEWOOD.
UM, THE CONCEPT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, UH, ACTUALLY THREE TYPES OF RESTAURANTS WITHIN THE FOUR WALLS OF THE 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, WE, WE ARE GENERALLY KNOWN AS GIN KOREAN MARKET.
THAT IS, THAT IS OUR NAME NATIONALLY REPUBLICAN TRADING COMPANY FROM COAST TO COAST.
THAT'S HOW WE'RE, SO IN THIS BLUE AREA, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE GIN KOREAN BARBECUE SIDE OF THINGS.
WE ALSO HAVE A CONCEPT CALLED K SUSHI, WHICH IS ALL YOU EATING SUSHI, UH, WHICH IS IN THE GREEN.
AND THEN DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE SPACE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE INTRODUCING, UM, A SHA CON, YOU KNOW, HOT POT AT YOUR, AT YOUR TABLE, UH, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM GREEN BARBECUE, UM, IN ORDER TO APPROPRIATELY UTILIZE THE SPACE, UM, AND MAXIMIZE THE VOLUME
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AND THE DOLLARS THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF THE SPACE.UM, THE REASON THIS, FROM, FROM WHAT I KNOW, MARK, YOU CORRECT ME.
UH, THE REASON THE SPACE IS SO LARGE AND SO INDEPENDENT OF ITSELF, IS IT USED TO BE IN BOOTH? YES.
UM, TYPICALLY WE WOULD, WE, WE HAVE LARGER LOCATIONS.
WE HAVE, UH, ONE IN CALIFORNIA, IT'S 11,000 SQUARE FEET.
WE HAVE OTHERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE ACTUALLY MARKED BEST.
UM, SO FOR US TO, TO, UH, TO TAKE AN MARKET SPACE LIKE THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON.
UH, BUT WE, UH, BUT WE FEEL THAT IN ORDER TO DO IT APPROPRIATELY, BUSINESS-WISE, DIVIDED INTO THE THREE CONCEPTS IS THE BEST WAY TO GO.
SO IN YOUR OTHER LARGER SPACES, SORRY, YOU SAID THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME DOING THE THREE KIND OF CONCEPT RESTAURANT AND YOUR OTHER YES.
WE LOOK, WE HAVE LOCATIONS THAT ALREADY HAVE GIN AND CON SUSHI TOGETHER.
UH, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE, UH, ACTIVATING THE, UH, SH CONCEPT.
AND FROM THERE, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN, UM, WE CAN SPEAK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND PARKING.
SO, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN CODE REQUIRES OVERALL FOR THIS DALEWOOD SHOPPING CENTER, 460 PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT'S FOR THE EXISTING CENTER WITH THE ADDITION OF THE RESTAURANT.
CURRENTLY THERE'S 333 AVAILABLE PARKING SPACES.
THERE ARE CURRENT SHARED PARKING REDUCTION THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR DALEWOOD ONE, UM, IN THE, I THINK IN THE PAST YEAR.
SO THAT LAST SHARED PARKING REDUCTION WAS FOR, UM, A TOTAL OF 305 SPACES ON THE SITE.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MORE THAN THAT PROVIDED.
UH, SO AS PART OF OUR STUDY, UM, WE VISITED THE SITE, UH, BOTH DURING, UH, MID, MID, UH, WEEK AND, UH, SO PEAK HOURS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL ELEMENT OF IT.
AND THEN WE VISITED THE SHOPPING CENTER AGAIN ON A FRIDAY AND SATURDAY DAY NIGHT, UM, PEAK HOURS FOR RESTAURANTS.
SO THE DINNER RUSH FRIDAY, SATURDAY.
SO OUR STUDY, UH, CONCLUDED THAT THE BUSIEST TIMES WAS AT, WERE AT NIGHT FRIDAY, UH, AND WE HAD 171 OCCUPIED PARKING SPACES.
HOWEVER, UM, IN THE REAR THERE WERE SOME TRAILERS BLOCKING SOME STALLS.
SO THAT OCCUPIED ABOUT 10 SPACES.
AND, UH, MARK AND THE BRICKS MORE TEAM ARE WORKING TO REMOVE THOSE TRAILERS FROM BLOCKING THOSE PARKING STALLS SO THAT THOSE CAN BE UTILIZED BY EMPLOYEES.
UM, 'CAUSE EMPLOYEES WILL BE PARKING TOWARDS THE BACK TO ALLOW PATRONS TO ACCESS, UH, THE ENTRANCES TO THE RESTAURANTS.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, BRIEFLY JUST LOOK AT DALEWOOD SHOPPING CENTER AS A WHOLE.
IT'S FULLY OWNED AND OPERATED BY BRICKS MORE, UM, AND INCLUDES VARIOUS COMMERCIAL AND RESTAURANT USES RIGHT NOW, UM, IN DALEWOOD ONE, THE MAJORITY OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER IS AS YOU KNOW, AN H MART.
UM, SO THE PAT, YOU KNOW, PATRONS VISITING DIFFERENT, UM, STORES OR RESTAURANTS OR GROCERY STORES WITH A, WITHIN THIS PARK, UH, SHOPPING CENTER CAN PARK, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE THEY WANT AND VISIT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS AT A TIME.
SO YOU'RE REALLY GETTING SOMEBODY PARKING AND VISITING MULTIPLE USES.
SO BASICALLY WHEN WE DID OUR PARKING STUDY, UM, AND WE LOOK AT THE ZONING REQUIREMENT, WE, WE SEE THAT WITH THE A HUNDRED AND, YOU KNOW, 61 SPACES PLUS 143 REQUIRED FOR THIS SPACE, WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING STALLS.
SO WHAT'S, UM, SO THAT GETS US, SO THE 1 43 PLUS THE 1 61 IS 304.
SO WE HAVE AN EXCESS OF 29 PARKING SPACES.
UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONCLUSION OF OUR PARKING STUDY, IS THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANT, UM, AMOUNT OF PARKING HERE TO ACCOMMODATE THE RESTAURANT.
UM, AND AGAIN, FOR DALEWOOD, ONE, WHEN YOU HAVE PEAK, YOU KNOW, PEAK OCCUPANCY FOR THE GROCERY STORE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SATURDAY OR DURING THE WEEK, IT'S GOING TO SWITCH AT NIGHT FOR PEAK OCCUPANCY FOR THE RESTAURANT.
SO THERE REALLY WILL BE THAT SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE USES OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, AND WE UNDERSTAND, SO THERE IS A SHOPPING CENTER NEXT TO SOUTH OF OUR SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, AND WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT OVERFLOW PARKING INTO THAT AREA.
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THERE IS, UM, THERE IS SIGNAGE ON THE OTHER PROPERTY SAYING THAT YOU CANNOT PARK HERE IF YOU'RE NOT VISITING THE SHOPPING CENTER.UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO PUT IN SIGNAGE ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY STATING THE SAME THING, UM, TO CONTROL THE, YOU KNOW, OVERFLOW OF PARKING GOING INTO THAT SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THAT WILL BE TOE ENFORCED AS WELL.
THERE IS A SHARED EASEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO THERE IS A SHARED ACCESS EASEMENT, WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THE TOWN WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT AS WELL IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE OVERFLOW AND PARKING, UH, WE HAVE REDUCED THE SEAT COUNT BY 10 SEATS.
UM, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WORKED WITH, UH, JOHN AT GEN KOREA IN THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS TO BRING THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND THEN JUST BASED ON OUR OBSERVED DATA AND THE USE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER AS A WHOLE, UM, WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT IN KNOW SHARED USE, YOU KNOW, A SHARED PARKING, UH, UTILIZATION, WE FEEL THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARKING AVAILABLE FOR THE PATRONS OF THE RESTAURANT THAT WOULD NOT INTERFERE WITH THE OTHER USES WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND LET ME JUST, AND I WANTED TO ADD JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS.
UM, THE STUDY SHOWED THAT THE GROCERY STORE ACTUALLY HAD A REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF IT, IT, IT PEAKED EARLIER IN THE DAY THAN THE RESTAURANT.
THAT'S SORT OF THE IDEA BEHIND THESE, THIS QUOTE SHARED PARKING, UM, UTILIZATION, WHICH IS THAT IN A SHOPPING CENTER, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE DIFFERENT COMPLIMENTARY TIMES THAT THAT STORES PEAK WITH THE GROCERY STORE COMING DOWN IN THE EVENING.
THAT'S WHEN GEN KOREAN'S GONNA HAVE, ITS SORT OF, ITS ITS PEAK, UM, UM, OPERATION HOURS RIGHT AROUND DINNER TIME.
UM, AS IT SO HAPPENS TO BE THE CHASE BANK IN FRONT IS CLOSED AT FIVE O'CLOCK AND ALL OF THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE AVAILABLE FOR SPILLOVER.
AND, UM, AND, AND I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, LET JOHN MAYBE EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT HE SEES AS THE POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN ARE YOU GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SLAMS, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF THE UTILIZATION OF THE SPACE? SO WE ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM YOUR TYPICAL RESTAURANT, RIGHT? SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR, UH, YOUR TYPICAL LUNCH PERIOD, UM, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS MORE ON THE CONCERTY SIDE 'CAUSE KOREAN BARBECUE IS A, YOU KNOW, IS A MORE OF A SIT DOWN.
IT'S MUCH MORE FAMILY ORIENTED TYPE OF A ENVIRONMENT.
IF YOU'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE, IT'S, IT'S VERY INTERACTIVE, RIGHT? IT'S, UH, YOU, YOU ARE GRILLING YOUR FOOD AT YOUR TABLE WITH YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LENDS ITSELF TO BE A, UH, A PEAK DINNER TIME IN A TYPICAL SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT.
FOR US, THAT MEANS WE'LL START HAVING THE FIRST LIMITED SEATING, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, LIMITED BEAN, MAYBE A QUARTER OF THE RESTAURANT IS STARTING TO FILL UP, UH, AROUND 6:00 PM AND THAT OBVIOUSLY CLIMBS THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT AND IT THEN PEAKS AROUND EIGHT O'CLOCK.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON HOW LATE THIS LOCATION STAYS OPEN, IN SUBURBAN ENVIRONS, WE CLOSE AT 10 ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS, DEPENDING ON HOW THE CUSTOMERS REACT AND THE CUSTOMER DEMAND, UH, IT MAY GO AS FAR AS 10 30.
SO WE, WE, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A SLOW CLIMB, A DECLINE, OR A FLATTENING OF OUR PATRONS AND OUR SEATINGS.
AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND SEATING THAT I WOULDN'T SAY IS ANYWHERE NEAR A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WE'RE TALKING MORE LIKE LATER EVENING MAYBE 60% OF THE RESTAURANT IS, IS, IS OCCUPIED.
AND THAT IS ONLY DURING PEAK DAYS.
THAT IS ONLY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
UM, SUNDAY LUNCH, WE HAVE A NICE IMPACT.
UH, PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY AFTER THEIR CHURCH SERVICES OR AFTER THEY, WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING.
UM, OUR, OUR HOPE IS THEY'RE DOING THEIR GROCERY SHOPPING AT H MAR AND THEN COME OVER TO OUR, TO OUR RESTAURANT TO, UH, ENJOY, ENJOY LUNCH.
MONDAY IS THE WEAKEST, UM, RESTAURANT DAY OF THE WEEK.
UH, YOU'VE JUST GOT DONE WITH THE WEEKEND.
UH, YOU'VE MAYBE GONE OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES OVER THE WEEKEND.
YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE, THE DESIRE TO DO THAT.
SO WHEN IT BUILDS GRADUALLY, UH, IN ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THAT ARE MORE URBAN AND MORE WORKER, YOU, WE HAVE A MORE OF A LUNCH FOCUS.
UM, BUT IN SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENTS, OUR NUMBERS ARE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS 70, 30, 70% BEING DONE.
AND THAT INCLUDES MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, AND THEN FRIDAY
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IS IS A DIFFERENT STORY.'CAUSE THAT'S THE PEOPLE'S GOING OUT RIGHT? FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, ARE YOU CONSIDERING THIS TO BE URBAN OR SUBURBAN AREA? BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS DENSE AND CLOSE TO THE CITY OF WHITE PLAINS AND JUST TRYING TO GET A I
IN YOUR, UH, RESTAURANT CONS, UH, RESTAURANTS WITH TWO CONCEPTS, THE SUSHI AND THE KOREAN BARBECUE, DO YOU NOTICE ONE PARTICULAR CONCEPT BEING MORE POPULAR THAN THE OTHER AT ANY PARTICULAR TIME? YOU MENTIONED SUSHI FOR LUNCH, BUT DOES THAT AFFECT DINNER AS WELL? YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY BASED ON WHAT THE CUSTOMER'S LOOKING FOR.
IF YOU COME IN WITH A LARGE GROUP OF YOUNGER FOLKS, UM, THEN THEY TEND TO ENJOY THE, UH, KOREAN BARBECUE SIDE OF THINGS.
A LOT OF SINGLES, NOT SINGLES, SORRY.
UH, A LOT OF, UH, COUPLES COME IN FOR THE, FOR THE CON SU SHEET SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, BUT IT'S A MIX, RIGHT? IT IS, UM, CUSTOMERS, CUSTOMERS DO WHAT CUSTOMERS DO.
UM, THEY MAY WALK IN ONE NIGHT AND BEING THAT THERE ARE THREE CONCEPTS AVAILABLE, IT'S KIND OF A DEALER'S CHOICE ON THAT EVENING AS TO WHAT THE KIND OF EXPERIENCE WANT TO HAVE.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO DO THE THREE CONCEPTS 'CAUSE WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS THIS AREA IS BEING SO POSITIVE FOR US THAT WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, ALIENATE ANY POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS BY NOT OFFERING THE THREE OPTIONS.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE TO SHARE.
I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, OUR, OUR TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, JOHN CANNING FROM KIMBERLY HORNE ALSO ON THE LINE.
CAN I, I ASK ONE QUESTION BEFORE WE GO THERE.
ARE YOU ANTICIPATING A BAR BUSINESS, SO STANDING SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE FOOD PEOPLE COMING IN FOR DRINKS AFTER WORK, THAT TYPE OF THING, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE BARS IN ALL THREE RESTAURANT FACILITIES? MM-HMM
WE, WE HAVE ONE BAR THAT IS, UM, STAGED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING, UM, THAT SERVE ALL THREE, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY ALL THREE SIDES OF, OF THE RESTAURANT.
SO HERE YOU HAVE IN THE FRONT HERE, UM, BETWEEN THE BLUE AND THE GREEN.
THIS IS OUR, THIS IS OUR BAR AREA.
UM, WE DO NOT FIND US TO BE A HAPPY HOUR TYPE OF PLACE.
UM, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PLACES TO DO THAT.
UM, OUR CONCEPTS, WE DON'T LEND OURSELVES TO THAT.
YOU CAN SEE THE LIMITED BAR SEATING.
YOU'VE GOT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, UH, NINE SPACES, UH, OR NINE SEATS AVAILABLE PLUS THE TWO, UH, HANDICAP, UH, THAT DOES NOT PROMOTE, UM, HANGING OUT AT THE BAR.
WE, IN FACT, WE DISCOURAGE IT.
WE WANT THEM TO ORDER THEIR DRINKS AT THE TABLE WHILE THEY'RE ENJOYING THEIR DINING EXPERIENCE.
SO WHILE THE BAR IS IN THE GREEN AREA, UH, WHICH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE SUSHI AREA, THAT BAR IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO, TO THE SUSHI MENU.
SO YOU SEE THE TWO HANDICAPPED ICONS THERE ON EITHER SIDE AND BLUE ON THE GREEN? YES.
THAT AREA IN THE WHITE IS THE, IS THE BAR.
THERE'S LIKE TWO, YEAH, TWO SETS.
I MEAN, IT IS, IT IS DUAL SITE.
COULD YOU OUT, IS THERE ANY COOKING GOING ON IN THAT AREA OR IS IT ONLY FOR THE BAR? IF YOU, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE SQUARE AREA, THE RECTANGLE GOING.
AND PROBABLY IT'S BEST TO CLARIFY THIS IN THE FUTURE ON THE PLANS.
'CAUSE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US REALIZED IT WAS THE BAR.
AND ALSO, UH, COULD YOU CLARIFY HOW SOMEONE FROM THE SUSHI RESTAURANT WOULD, UH, ACCESS THE RESTROOMS? WHAT PATH WOULD THEY TAKE? YEAH.
WELL, SO THERE IS A PATH NEAR BETWEEN THE BAR.
IN GENERAL, THERE IS A PATH AROUND THROUGH THE BU.
UM, THOSE ARE THE IDENTIFIED PATHS.
YEAH, I, I, I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE, TO THE INTERIOR LAYOUT, BUT I, I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM, UH, JOHN CANNING BEFORE WE GET, WE GET TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE, FROM THE PARKING REDUCTION MM-HMM
UM, MR. CANNING, ARE, ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE? YES, I AM.
SO, UM, WE HAVE BEEN REVIEWING THIS, UH, APPLICATION WITH STAFF.
UH, I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS EXPLAINED IT RELATIVELY WELL.
UM, IT IS A RESTAURANT, RESTAURANTS PEAK AT NIGHT.
UM, THE CENTER HAS ITS ANCHOR, YOU, YOU COULD SAY IS A SUPERMARKET, WHICH IT HAS MINIMAL ACTIVITY AT IN THE LATE EVENING.
THERE WOULD BE SOME PEOPLE THERE, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BUSY.
UH, THE CHASE BANK WILL BE CLOSED.
THE URGENT CARE WILL PROBABLY NOT BE SO BUSY.
THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, RESTAURANT RIGHT NEXT TO THIS BUILDING OR THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE OF A DAYTIME BUSINESS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO HOME MANDARIN, WHICH IS, UH, WE, WE WOULD QUALIFY
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AS A FINE DINING RESTAURANT.SO THERE'S DEFINITELY THE ABILITY FOR SHARED PARKING.
AND, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE, THE APPLICANT HAS CONSENTED TO DO STUDIES DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY WHEN THE SHOPPING CENTER PEAKS.
AND IN THE LATE EVENING, WELL, NOT LATE EVENING, EARLY EVENING, LET'S CALL IT, UH, ON A FRIDAY AND SATURDAY WHEN THE RESTAURANT PEAKS AND THE BUSIEST TIME BASED ON A REVIEW OF THE DATA IS LIKE FRIDAY OR SATURDAY EVENING.
SATURDAY, FRIDAY WAS ABOUT 10, 10 EXISTING CARS MORE THAN CURRENT.
UM, THEY, THEY COUNTED 171 SPACES OCCUPIED.
UM, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT 10 OF THOSE WERE A TRAILER THAT WAS PARKED IN THE BACK ACROSS 10 PARKING SPACES.
SO THERE'S 161 SPACES OCCUPIED ON A FRIDAY EVENING.
UH, 421 SEATS REQUIRES 141 PARKING SPACES PER THE CODE.
SO IF YOU ADD THOSE TWO TOGETHER, YOU GET TO 3 0 2 TOTAL PARKING SPACES AND, UH, TOTAL PARKED VEHICLES.
AND THE NUMBER OF SPACES PROVIDED ONCE THEY CLEAN UP THE SITE A LITTLE BIT, WILL BE, BY MY ESTIMATE, ABOUT 3 38.
SO, UH, THEY'LL BE AT ABOUT 90% OF CAPACITY OF THE CENTER.
UH, THEY'LL HAVE 33 AVAILABLE SPACES.
SO, UH, THE ONE CONCERN THAT I, UH, HAVE RAISED WITH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT IS, AND, AND I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT WHEN THE FACILITY OPENS FOR THE FIRST FEW MONTHS THAT IT'S OPEN, BECAUSE NEW RESTAURANTS, UH, THEY GENERATE A BUZZ AND PEOPLE GO DOWN AND SEE IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, A YEAR LATER, UM, PEOPLE HAVE TRIED IT A FEW TIMES AND THEY'LL HAVE REGULAR CUSTOMERS AND OTHER FOLKS WILL BE MOVED ON TO THE NEXT, UH, HOT RESTAURANT.
UH, SO THE PARTICULAR CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT IF, ESPECIALLY, UH, SOON AFTER THEY OPEN IT, THE THREE RESTAURANTS ARE BUSY AND SUCCESSFUL AND THEY GENERATE 141 SPACES WHEN, UH, CARS FOR PARKING, WHEN PEOPLE ARRIVE, THEY'RE GONNA WANNA PARK CLOSEST TO THE, UH, TO THE RESTAURANT.
AND WITH ONLY 28, UH, WITH ONLY 33 SPACES AVAILABLE, THE SPACES NEAR THE RESTAURANT ARE GONNA FILL UP FIRST.
AND THE REMAINING 33 SPACES ARE GONNA BE OVER SOMEWHERE NEAR, UM, H MART.
AND SO, NOT PARTICULARLY DESIRABLE, UM, I HAVE EXPRESSED A CONCERN TO STAFF THAT IN THAT INSTANCE, PEOPLE MAY DECIDE, YOU KNOW WHAT, THERE'S NOBODY IN THERE LOT.
I'M JUST GONNA PARK THERE, THE, THE MICHAEL SLOT.
UM, BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE THAT BUSY AT THAT TIME OF THE EVENING.
AND, UM, STAFF HAVE SAID THAT IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO SEE WHAT MEASURES MIGHT BE IMPLEMENTED TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING BECAUSE, UH, PEOPLE VISITING THE RESTAURANT ARE SUPPOSED TO PARK ON THE PROPERTY THAT THE RESTAURANT IS ON AND NOT ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY.
SO OVERALL, THERE IS ENOUGH PARKING, UH, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHERE WILL THE FOLKS CHOOSE TO PARK, PARTICULARLY ON BUSY NIGHTS? AND THAT'S MOST LIKELY TO OCCUR IN THE FIRST FEW MONTHS AFTER OPENING.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION, MS. ROBINSON.
SO MR. CANNING, IN YOUR EXPERT OPINION, WITH THE NEW RESTAURANT OPENING AND THERE BEING THE BBQ CHICKEN AND THE OLD MANDARIN AND H MART ALSO HAS A FOOD COURT, DO YOU THINK THAT THERE WILL STILL BE AMPLE PARKING FOR EVERYONE WITHOUT INVADING MICHAEL'S, UH, PARKING AREA? UH, SO THERE MATHEMATICALLY, THERE IS SUFFICIENT PARKING.
THERE WILL BE A PROJECTED PEAK PARKING DEMAND OF 305 VEHICLES AND, UH, 338 PARKING SPACES, PARKING.
SO MATHEMATICALLY THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING ON THE PROPERTY.
THE QUESTION IS, HOW WILL PEOPLE PARK? WILL THEY PARK ON THE PROPERTY AND WALK FROM THE BACK OF H MART DOWN TO THE, THE RESTAURANT OR THE FRONT OF H MARK DOWN TO THE RESTAURANT? OR, AND, AND IF ONE OR TWO PEOPLE DO IT, IT HAPPENS IN, IN MANY CASES AROUND TOWN.
BUT IF YOU HAVE 20 OR 30 PEOPLE DOING IT, THEN CLEARLY IT'S, UH, AN INFRACTION ON THE RIGHTS OF THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER.
THEY MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
SO IN THE DAYTIME, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT PARK ON THIS PROPERTY, AND IF IT'S ONLY A SMALL NUMBER, THEN THE, THE LANDLORDS KIND OF LET IT GO BECAUSE EACH ONE GETS A BENEFIT AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AHEAD AT THIS POINT AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE, UM, PEOPLE CALLING THE TOWN AND THE TWO LANDLORDS UPSET AT EACH OTHER.
THE, UH, SO THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, UM, THAT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SEATS PROPOSED IN THE RESTAURANT.
UM, IT'S BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
WHAT IS THE, HOW MANY STAFF WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE YOU WOULD NEED TO SERVICE 421 SEATS? PEAK DEMAND, RIGHT? MM-HMM
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SPEAKING WITH MY OPERATIONS TEAM, UH, LET'S SEE, IN SIMILAR SIZE RESTAURANT, 25 MINUTE NOTES, WE HAVE 30 TO 35 EMPLOYEES AT PEAK.UM, IS THERE A LOT OF OVERLAP, OVERLAP IN SHIFTS FOR EMPLOYEES? LIKE IS THERE, COULD YOU HAVE LIKE A TEMPORARY PEAK OF LIKE 40 EMPLOYEES WHILE THE SHIFT CHANGE IS GOING ON? OR IS IT TYPICALLY A SMOOTH BUILDUP TO 35 AND THEN DECLINE AS THE NIGHT GOES ON? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL RESTAURANT OPERATION, YOU'VE GOT YOUR, YOUR YOUR EARLY DAY AND YOUR, YOUR EVENING EMPLOYEE.
I MEAN, GENERALLY, SO WE OPEN AT 11 IN THE MORNING.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF, AND, AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES GETTING TRIPLE IN.
WE DON'T NEED EVERYBODY THERE AT ONCE AT 11, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THEY NEED TO BE, HAVE THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE BASED ON THE, THE ESTIMATED SALES FOR THAT PARTICULAR DAY OR WEEK, UM, TO BE THERE AT NOON.
SO DEPENDING ON THE ANTICIPATED, AND THIS IS AFTER WE'VE BEEN OPEN, WE'VE STUDIED THE FLOW THROUGH OF, OF, OF CUSTOMERS, RIGHT? UH, SO ANY RESTAURANT OPENING EARLY, WE OVERHIRE, UM, CHILI'S DOES IT, OLD MANDARIN PROBABLY DID IT.
WE OVERHIRE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH STAFF AVAILABLE FOR THE HONEYMOON AS MR. CANNING WAS REFERRING, WHICH IS THE FIRST COUPLE OF MONTHS WHILE, WHILE PEOPLE ARE, ARE DRIVING TRIAL.
UM, AND THEN THAT NUMBER REDUCES OVER TIME.
THEY HAVE CHANGED THE SITUATION.
WE DON'T NEED THAT MUCH STAFF ON, ON HAND, DEPENDING ON THE SALES ONCE THEY LEVEL OUT.
UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE DAY PART, IT'S GENERALLY A BREAK AROUND FOUR 30 TO FIVE.
THAT'S WHEN THE DAY SHIFT GOES AND THEY COME THE, AND THE, THE EVENING SHIFT COMES IN.
UM, AND SO THE, THE REDUCTION RUNS WITH THE LAND.
AND SO IF WE WERE TO GRANT THIS REDUCTION, THIS WOULD BE A PERMANENT REDUCTION TO DALEWOOD, YOU KNOW, EEE EVEN IF, YOU KNOW, THIS RESTAURANT WERE TO BE AROUND FOR A YEAR, FIVE YEARS, 10, 10 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.
SO WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THAT THERE'S ALREADY A REDUCTION TO 3 0 5, RIGHT? MM-HMM
BUT BECAUSE WE ARE BASICALLY, WE'RE ASKING FOR A NEW REDUCTION FOR THE RESTAURANT USE SPECIFICALLY MM-HMM
SO WE LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS COMMERCIAL, WHAT WOULD THE REDUCTION BE? AND THEN NOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RESTAURANT, WHICH HAS, YOU KNOW, HIGHER REQUIREMENTS FOR RESTAURANT USE.
UM, AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT ALMOST.
SO, SO, SO THE, SO IT'S TIED TO, I THINK IT'S TO GET YOUR YEAH.
LIKE IT'S, I'M ALMOST POSITIVE IT'S TIED TO THE RESTAURANT, BUT I THINK I WOULD NEED TO CONFIRM WITH GARRETT.
THE RESTAURANT USE, WHAT, WELL, THE REASON WHY YOU'RE REQUESTING A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION IS BECAUSE IT IS A RESTAURANT USE.
YOU'RE PROPOSING, I GUESS IS, IS THERE, WOULD THERE BE ANY MECHANISMS, UM, TO SORT OF PROTECT THE, THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM A PERMANENT REDUCTION IF, UH, IF, IF THE, IF THE USE WERE TO CHANGE IN THE FUTURE? SO THE, IF YOU WERE TO GRANT THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, CURRENTLY, IT'S BASED ON THE CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW.
SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, UM, IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS IS IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN, UM, UM, EXPECTED DEMAND, IT COULD COME BACK FOR REEVALUATION BY THIS BOARD AND CONSULTANTS AND STAFF.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'VE DONE IS WHEN YOU HAVE A A, A LOT OR A PARK, A PLAZA SUCH AS THIS, AND YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES PARKING, IS TO HAVE THEM HAVE EMPLOYEES PARK IN, LET'S SAY, THE LESS DESIRABLE SPOTS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY THE ONES THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE RUSHING TO PARK TO, TO GET TO THE RESTAURANT.
JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY A 92 PARKING, PARKING SPOT REDUCTION IS A PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION.
BUT ALSO, AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE PARKING CODE IS IN MOST ESTIMATIONS RATHER ARE, IT'S RATHER OUTDATED.
THE SHOP, THE DALEWOOD ONE RIGHT NOW PARKS 5.46 TO ONE.
THAT'S THE PARKING RATIO THAT'S CONSIDERED A PRETTY OLD SCHOOL STANDARD FOR A SUBURBAN SHOPPING CENTER.
GROCERY STORES BACK IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES, THE KMARTS OF THE WORLD WANTED FIVE TO ONE
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PARKING RATIOS THAT'S LEFT, YOU KNOW, SUBURBIA WITH A SEA OF PARKING.WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AND DENSIFIED, UM, CENTER.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, 5.4 TO ONE FOR THIS MIX OF USES SEEMS ABOUT RIGHT.
THE STUDY SHOWED THAT THE PARKING EXISTS.
WILL THERE BE SOME EVENINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND AND LOOK FOR PARKING? YES.
IS THAT THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD? NO, IT MEANS THAT THE CENTER'S OPERATING EFFICIENTLY.
AND, AND SO WE WOULD ARGUE THAT, UH, THIS IS ALLOWING THE SHOPPING CENTER TO SORT OF EVOLVE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY WITH THE TYPES OF USES THAT PEOPLE WANT RIGHT NOW.
UH, SET 10,000 SQUARE FOOT VERIZON STORE WASN'T SUCCEEDING IN THAT SPACE.
UM, THE RESTAURANTS HERE HAVE DONE VERY WELL.
WE THINK THEY'RE SERVING THE COMMUNITY.
UM, THE GROCERY STORE IS DOING WELL.
UM, AND THE SITE OF THE CENTER HAS BEEN, IT'S BEEN DEAD FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S BEEN A, IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, SEAGULLS OUT THERE IN THE PARKING LOT,
SO, SO TO, SO TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, WE THINK THAT BRINGING THIS RESTAURANT IN IS GONNA REALLY HELP IN ENLIVEN THAT SIDE OF THE CENTER.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A RESTAURANT WITH 421 SEATS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S QUITE A BIT OF CAPACITY.
DO YOU IMAGINE ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL LIKE TOUR BUSES STOPPING AT THE RESTAURANT TO EAT AND, AND ARE THERE ANY CONSIDERATIONS FOR LIKE BUS PARKING OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT THAT, THAT YOU OPERATE HA HAS BUS PARKING OR, OR, OR FREQUENTLY HAS BUSES STOPPING AT IT? JOHN, I MEAN, I'LL, I'LL ADDRESS THAT FROM THE, THE KOREAN SIDE.
UM, KOREAN BARBECUE IS A, IS A, IS A SLOW DINING EXPERIENCE FOR THE MOST PART.
UH, SUSHI IS MUCH FASTER TURN TURNOVER.
UM, THAT IS A NEW QUESTION THAT IS INTERESTING.
I'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED THAT QUESTION OR EVEN DISCUSS IT, BUT JUST BY THE NATURE OF OUR OPERATIONS, IT WOULD NOT PLAY WELL WITH, WITH BUS TRAFFIC.
UM, IT'S JUST NOT A FAST ENOUGH TURNAROUND TO GET PEOPLE OFF A BUS EAT AND ON BACK A BUS.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT I'M IMAGINING IS, YOU KNOW, ON CENTRAL AVENUE, THE OLD NATHANS WHERE IT FEELS LIKE EVERY, EVERY TOUR BUS, YOU KNOW, GOING BETWEEN WASHINGTON, DC AND BOSTON WOULD, WOULD STOP THERE.
BUT NATHAN'S IS CERTAINLY A, A, I WOULD IMAGINE A FASTER DINING EXPERIENCE THAN WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING MUCH COOLER.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC NATHAN'S IS YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD STOP ON A, ON A BUS TOUR.
BUT, UH, UH, JEN, JEN WOULD NOT BE ONE OF THOSE.
UM, THE, THE TRAILERS THAT WERE IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, WHAT, WHAT ARE THOSE TRAILERS BEING USED FOR? I THINK THEY'RE FROM H MART AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE LEGALLY OKAY.
SO WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, SO WE REMOVE THEM.
SORRY, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
AND I'M GONNA HAVE LET KELLY WOOD, WE HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGER AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER ABOUT THE CENTER OPERATIONS, BUT, OKAY.
KELLY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND SHE MIGHT HAVE, SHE MIGHT'VE LEFT ALREADY.
UM, BUT THOSE, THOSE TRAILERS AND BACK WERE FROM H MARK, CORRECT? YES.
AND THEY'RE NOT OFTEN THERE LONG TERM.
THEY'RE, AS SHIPMENTS COME IN, THEY LOAD DRIVER DROPS, HE PULLS ANOTHER ONE, AND, AND IT IS KIND OF A ROTATION, BUT I HAVE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT NO LONGER USING THOSE SPOTS THAT THEY, THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED AS PER THEIR LEASE OR PART OF THEIR, ARE YOU SAYING IT'S FOOD STORAGE, LIKE DELIVERIES? NO, IT'S PROBABLY HARD GOODS.
IT IS AS THEY'RE EMPTYING THEIR, UM, DELIVERIES AND THEN THEY SIT EMPTYING UNTIL THE, THE TRAILER COMES AND PICKS THEM UP.
SO FOR HOW MANY DAYS OR WEEKS WOULD THE TRAILER TYPICALLY BE LOCATED THERE? UH, IT WAS COMMUNICATED TO ME THAT IT WAS SOMETIMES JUST A DAY.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT ANSWER OR OBSERVANCE.
THANK YOU MI MR. CANNING, I THINK I SAW YOUR, YOUR HAND RAISED.
DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? UH, YEAH, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
AND SO THE BOARD IS, UH, CLEAR ON THIS WHILE, UH, RETAIL PARKING HAS DECLINED CONSIDERABLY OVER TIME RELATIVE TO WHAT THE CODE REQUIRED FROM THE HEYDAYS OF THE RETAIL INDUSTRY, UM, THE RESTAURANT REQUIREMENT OF ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY THREE SEATS IS STILL VERY RELEVANT.
SO, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING IN THIS APPLICATION.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT CHANGES THE NATURE OF THE CONVERSATION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE RECORD IS CLEAR ON THAT.
AND WITH REGARD TO THE TRAILERS, I MEAN, IF YOU, IF YOU GO BACK AND
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LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS, UH, THERE'S ALMOST ALWAYS A TRAILER IN THE SAME SPOT.I CAN'T GUARANTEE YOU THAT IT'S THE SAME TRAILER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A NUMBER ON THE TOP OF IT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S A PRETTY RECURRING THING, BUT IT CAN BE CORRECT.
UM, COULD, COULD I INTERJECT AND ANSWER A QUESTION RELATING TO SURE.
SO IN OUR MATTER OF OPERATIONS, IF, IF, IF A, IF YOUR SERVER OR A COOK OR SOMEBODY IS CAUGHT PARKING IN THE CUSTOMER PARKING, RIGHT.
THE, THE GOOD PARKING AS WE CALL IT MM-HMM
NOT PARKING IN THE BACK, THEY'RE GIVING A WARRANT.
THEY ARE GIVEN A WARNING, AND IF THEY'RE CAUGHT DOING IT AGAIN, THEY'RE TERMINATED.
BECAUSE THERE WAS ONE THING IN THE RESTAURANT INDUSTRY THAT I'VE BEEN IN A LONG TIME, YOU CANNOT DO, IS ALLOW YOUR, YOUR EMPLOYEES, YOUR ASSOCIATES TO TAKE THE PARKING SPACES OF, OF A CUSTOMER, WHETHER IT'S H MART, WHETHER IT'S US, UH, I THINK ULTA'S DOWN, DOWN IN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, UM, IT'S, IT HAS TO BE ENFORCED BY THE INDIVIDUAL OPERATORS.
AND I HOPE THAT O MANDARIN, AND I HOPE THAT H MART, AND I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT, UM, THE KOREAN BARBECUE OR THE BARBECUE CHICKEN, KOREAN FRIED CHICKEN ESTABLISHMENT DOES THAT AS WELL.
UH, BECAUSE THAT IS, THAT IS THE PROPER WAY TO OPERATE.
UM, AND I CAN, I FEEL VERY ASSURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S GIVEN TO THEM IN OUR, IN THEIR HANDBOOK IF THEY KNOW IF THEY DO IT ONCE, THEY GET A WARNING, IF THEY DO IT TWICE.
AND, AND SO IF YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT STAFF WOULD PARK IN THE REAR AND, AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE ANTICIPATING 30 TO 35, MAYBE 40 EMPLOYEES, HOW, HOW MANY SPOTS ARE THERE IN THE REAR? YEAH, CERTAINLY.
UH, 39 THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON A PEAK NIGHT.
SO THAT'S NOT EVEN LIKE THEY'RE ALL EMPTY.
AND SO CAN YOU JUST SORT OF LIKE YEAH, OF COURSE.
SO IT'S THIS WHOLE BACK ROW HERE.
BUT THAT'S FOR, I MEAN, IT GOES ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK.
BUT SO POTENTIALLY TO, TO THE, TO THE SPEAKER'S POINT, UM, IF THE, IF THOSE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS ARE ALSO ENFORCING SOME MM-HMM
EXPECTATION THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES ALSO PARK IN THE REAR, NOT ALL OF THOSE 39 SPOTS MAY BE AVAILABLE TO, TO JEN KOREA.
WELL, WE STILL HAD, SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, THE PEAK FRIDAY NIGHT, RIGHT.
SO ABOUT 22 OF THOSE SPACES OUT OF 59 WERE OCCUPIED.
SO THAT GIVES YOU 37 SURPLUS MM-HMM
AND THAT CONSIDERS, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES OF OTHER LOCATIONS.
HOPEFULLY THEY'RE PARKING IN THE BACK THERE.
UM, AND SAME GOES LIKE DURING THE DAY PEAK, SEEING, YOU KNOW, ONLY 10 SPACES UTILIZED.
UM, AND I THINK LIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SPACES, SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PATRONS PARK ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK, RIGHT? MM-HMM
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THEM PARK TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE LEFT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THEM PARK AND CHASE.
THEY'RE GONNA WANNA PARK HERE.
AND AMONGST THOSE THREE LOCATIONS, YOU HAVE 103 PARKING SPACES MM-HMM
AND THAT'S EVEN CONSIDERING THE PEAK USE TIME, I'M SUBTRACTING THOSE.
AND, AND SO YOU MENTIONED CHASE MM-HMM
AND I KNOW CHASE HAS A, A 24 7 ATM, MAYBE TWO.
UM, WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THE RESTAURANT USE THAT CHASE PARKING, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD THERE BE ANY DEDICATED PARKING FOR, FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO USE THAT A TTM OR, I BELIEVE THERE'S A DRIVE THROUGH.
I BELIEVE THERE IS A DRIVE THROUGH.
IT IS A DRIVE THROUGH MM-HMM
SO, I MEAN, IF YOU CAN'T PARK, SURE.
UM, BUT I MEAN, AND MEAN ONCE THE BANK CLOSES THOSE SPACES, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT DEDICATED, THEY'RE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE BANK.
UM, AND IT'S USUALLY NOT FILLED THOSE SPACES.
I, I, I KNOW SPEAKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, WHEN I'VE GONE TO THE SPACE TO USE THE ATM, IT CAN BE CHALLENGING TO FIND A SPOT.
AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, I, I GUESS I'M ADVERSE TO, UH, TO DRIVE THROUGHS.
SO
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING CODE FACTORS IN EMPLOYEE PARKING, UM, INTO THE ONE TO 75 SQUARE FOOT, OR ONE TO THREE SEATS.
UM, SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE 35 EMPLOYEE PARKING IS CONSIDERED IN THAT 143 THAT IS REQUIRED.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT BACK AREA BACK THERE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE 142 SPACES IN THE PEAK EVENING ON A WEEKEND, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE BACK AREA, THE HOLE TO THE LEFT CHASE AND OVER HERE.
HAVE YOU CONSIDERED ANY, ANY OTHER POTENTIAL CREATIVE SOLUTIONS
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LIKE VALET PARKING OR STACKED PARKING OR ANYTHING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I'M GONNA DEFER TO MR. MCKAY ON THAT.UM, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE VALET IS BROUGHT IN, SOMETIMES DE BE DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY VALET SERVICES IN A SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT FOR US.
UH, WE DO HAVE 'EM, UM, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE MONTROSE STREET, THE AREA OF, OF HOUSTON, WHICH IS VERY VERTICAL WITH APARTMENTS AND, AND RESTAURANTS AND BARS AND HAS VERY, VERY LITTLE PARKING, UM, IN THAT SITUATION.
UM, WHERE, WHERE IS THE CLOSEST GEN KOREAN FROM HERE RIGHT NOW? UNION SQUARE, I THINK UNION IN THE CITY.
AND ARE THERE ANY SUBURBAN LOCATIONS NEARBY? NO, WE'RE BUILDING ONE, ONE, UH, RIGHT NOW IN, UH, BAYSIDE, QUEENS.
WE, WE HAVE ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN QUEENS.
WE HAVE ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN, WE'LL CALL IT WEST VILLAGE ADJACENT
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE IN EDISON, NEW JERSEY.
WHICH IS NOT DISSIMILAR FROM, FROM THIS, UH, TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT.
WHERE WE ALSO SHARED SPACE WITH, WITH, UH, WITH H OR I'M SORRY, NINE NINE RANCH, ANOTHER ASIAN GROCERY.
UM, SO I, I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ON THE INTERIOR, BUT BEFORE WE SHIFT TO THE INTERIOR, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD ON THE PARKING LAYOUT OR THE PARKING REDUCTION OR ANYTHING RELATED TO THE EXTERIOR? I DO HAVE ONE, UH, MORE QUESTION, UH, RELATED TO THE EXTERIOR.
UH, SO THE SOUTHERN PARKING FIELD, UH, AND ACTUALLY THIS IS A GOOD IMAGE.
UM, YOU HAVE TWO ENTRANCES TO THE KOREAN BARBECUE THAT FACE SOUTH.
UM, I BELIEVE, UH, MR. CANNING HAS ALSO SUGGESTED IF YOU COULD PLACE THE ENTRANCE TO THE SUSHI PORTION TO THE SOUTH AS WELL, TO TRY AND ENCOURAGE MORE PARKING IN THAT AREA.
UM, SO THAT SOUTH PARKING FIELD IS GONNA SEE A LOT MORE USE AND ACTIVITY THAN THE VERIZON STORE, UH, SIDE DID.
'CAUSE THE VERIZON ONLY HAD THE ENTRANCE TO THE, TO CENTRAL PARK.
UM, THERE'S NO CROSSWALK FROM THAT PARKING FIELD TO THE, UH, TO THE STORE.
IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OR CONSIDERATION FOR INCLUDING A CROSSWALK FROM THAT PARKING FIELD TO THE STORE? UH, TO HAVE PROTECTED PEDESTRIAN, UH, ACCESS? SHOW ME WHERE EXACTLY YOU'RE SAYING THROUGH THIS ONE OR LIKE THE ONE TO THE LEFT.
SORRY, WE'RE LIKE ORIENTED YEAH.
UM, NO, JUST SHOW ME WHERE I'M STILL, SO HE'S TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A CROSSWALK, SOME SORT OF, UH, SAFEGUARD FOR PEDESTRIANS SOMEWHERE.
SO, NO, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PARKING, HONESTLY.
AND THE FACT THAT WE ARE A BIT TIGHT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S A REASON TO PUT PEDESTRIANS IN DANGER.
IT'S JUST NOT A VERY LARGE WALK FROM THE FURTHEST, UH, LOCATION TO THE DOOR.
SO, A NOT REALLY FEELING THERE'S A NEED B, WE DON'T REALLY WANNA MESS WITH THE PARKING JUST BECAUSE WE ARE TIGHT IN THE STALLS PROVIDED SO FAR THAT, THAT DOTTED, UM, I GUESS PROPERTY LINE.
IS, ARE, ARE THOSE, ARE THOSE SPACES THAT, THAT ARE ON ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER, ARE THOSE LIKE BACK TO BACK? OR IS THERE A PHYSICAL BARRIER BETWEEN THOSE TWO? THERE'S A PHYSICAL, THERE'S A GUARDRAIL.
UM, AND IS THERE A, IS THERE A, A LEVEL CHANGE? THERE'S A SLIGHT LEVEL CHANGE.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN, I'D, I'D TO TO TO TOWN PLAN OR BRITAIN'S POINT.
I THINK IF THERE WAS A WAY TO INCORPORATE SOME SORT OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, UM, COULD CONSIDER THAT.
UM, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE EXTERIOR DOORS, UM, THE, THE THREE CONCEPTS, YOU KNOW, WOULD THERE BE THREE DIFFERENT SIGNAGE? 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S THREE DOORS TO THREE AREAS, RIGHT.
WOULD YOU IMAGINE, OR WOULD YOU PROPOSE LIKE THREE DISTINCT SIGNAGE FOR EACH OF THE THREE CONCEPTS? OR IS THERE JUST ONE GEN GEN CHOA SIGN? UM, OR IS THERE SIGNS ABOVE EACH DOOR? LIKE WHAT, WHAT IS SIGNAGE GONNA LOOK LIKE? SO ON THE, ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AT THE DOUBLE DOOR, YOU WOULD HAVE JIM GREEN BARBECUE.
THEN YOU WOULD'VE CON SUSHI THE SINGLE LEAF DOOR IN THE GREEN.
AND THEN ON THE SIDE, UH, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE.
AND WITHOUT ME BEING ABLE TO CONTROL THE, UH, SEE THE, THE WORD THAT SAYS CRANE BARBECUE SEATING.
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THERE.YOU GOTTA COLLECT THAT IS, THAT IS CURRENTLY A, A METAL DOOR THAT SAYS VERIZON EMPLOYEES ONLY.
THAT WOULD BE SWITCHED OUT WITH A GLASS DOOR.
AND IF YOU CAN SEE, WELL, IT'S A LITTLE HARD RIGHT TO THE LEFT OF THAT, THAT BOX, ONCE YOU COME INSIDE THE BUILDING, THAT IS THE, THE HOST STAND FOR, FOR SH MM-HMM
UH, SO WE'LL HAVE AN, IS THERE, YOU'LL HAVE THE ENTRANCE ON THE CORNER AND THEN THE DOUBLE DOOR ENTRANCE ON THE PROPERTY.
HAVE YOU SUBMITTED A FORMAL SIGNAGE PLAN YET? OR IS THAT, IS THAT FORTHCOMING? BECAUSE I THINK I, I THINK WHAT YOU'VE JUST DESCRIBED THAT WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE, OR I'M ALMOST CERTAIN IT WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE.
UM, SO, SO IF YOU COULD PREPARE A SIGNAGE PLAN THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
SO WE CAN, UH, REVIEW IT WITH OUR, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR AND GET A TERMINATION IF ANY VARIANCES ARE NECESSARY.
AND WE UNDER, IN PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THIS WAS KIND OF A SEPARATE, UH, PROCESS FROM THIS PROCESS.
SO FROM THIS, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE SIGNAGE WAS A SEPARATE APPLICATION THAT WOULD REQUIRE ITS OWN VARIANCES.
BECAU 'CAUSE TYPICALLY IT'S, UH, THE TENANT THAT FILES THAT.
I MEAN, TRADITIONALLY WE'VE HAD, TRADITIONALLY WE'VE HAD THE RETAILERS OR SOMETIMES THEY'RE SIGNED VENDORS GO IN AND PURSUE THE, UM, VARIANCES REQUIRED.
UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW THE LEASE READS WITH REGARD TO WHAT SIGNAGE HAS BEEN PRE-APPROVED.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE TYPICALLY HAVE HANDLED IT AS A SEPARATE MATTER FROM PARKING REDUCTIONS AND SPECIAL USE PERMITS.
I MEAN, IT'S A TIME SAVING MEASURE, UH, IF YOU SUBMIT IT NOW RATHER THAN LATER.
UM, RELATED TO THESE ENTRANCES, WHERE ARE DELIVERIES PROPOSED TO BE, UH, BROUGHT INTO THE STORES? THAT'S GOOD.
'CAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING INTO THE REAR, UH, UNLESS I MISSED IT.
SO THAT, THAT DOOR AT THE VERY END OF THE BUILDING THERE ON THE SIDE, THAT IS A RAMP UP IN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF YOU SEE IT IN GOOGLE OR IF IT'S A RAMP UP, UM, THAT IS WHERE THE DELIVERIES WILL BE BROUGHT IN.
WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTED HOURS FOR DELIVERIES? OR YOU NOT KNOW YET? I DIDN'T HEAR, UH, IN THE MORNING.
SO, SO IF YOU SAID YOU OPEN AT 11:00 AM DELIVERIES WOULD BE BEFORE 11? YES.
UM, DO YOU ANTICIPATE, OR DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE MUCH TAKEOUT BUSINESS? UH, NO, WE DON'T.
UM, THIS IS A VERY IN KIND OF IN PLACE INTERACTIVE.
UM, WE DO A, ANOTHER DIVISION OF OUR BUSINESS, UH, HAS THESE KITCHEN CAN BUY, BUT THEY'RE NOT SOLELY IN THE RESTAURANT.
TAKE TAKEOUT FOR THE SUSHI SINCE, RIGHT.
UM, HOPING YOU CAN, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE EXTERIOR BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE INTERIOR LEADER? ONLY THING IS JUST, UM, BOTH ALREADY SAID THAT TO YOUR POINT, THE, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN, SOME TYPE OF X-ING OUT, UM, I JUST SEE, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT BACK AREA BEING USED MORE SO THAN USUAL.
UM, PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH QUICKLY TO TRY TO GET TO WORK.
UM, OR SOMEONE PARKING ON THAT SIDE TO GET TO THE FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT, ARE RUSHING IN AND NOT REALLY PAYING ATTENTION THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY THE THROUGHWAY TO MICHAEL'S AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EXITING CHASE AND JUST LIKE A LOT OF ACTIVITY IS GONNA START TO GO ON THROUGH THAT.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE, THE ONLY ACCESS THEY HAVE IS THE VERIZON SIDE CURRENTLY.
AND I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THEY WOULD ACTUALLY CUT THROUGH THERE BECAUSE IT ALL SEEMS TO BE KIND OF CONNECTED IN THE BACK THERE.
SO, SO THE SIDEWALK, SO THERE'S A SIDEWALK MM-HMM
IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THAT WRAPS AROUND TO THE, TO THE SIDE.
ARE THERE SIDEWALKS ALL ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE? YES.
UM, ARE THE BUS STOPS NOTATED ON THESE PLANS? THEY ARE NOT, BUT WE, WE WILL ADD THEM.
AND IS THERE A SIDEWALK, UH, PARALLEL TO THE, TO THE ENTRYWAY RIGHT NOW? SO THERE'S ONE, YES.
SO THERE'S ONE HERE, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF WRAPS AROUND AND THEN CONTINUES DOWN DALEWOOD ONE AND THERE'S A CROSSWALK THAT'S
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A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.MATERIAL, UM, THEN THE DRIVING SURFACE AND THAT LEADS YOU TO CENTRAL AVENUE.
SO, SO IS THERE A SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS CENTRAL AVENUE TO THE YES.
AND THAT'S, SORRY, I CAN HIGHLIGHT IT.
AND THEN YOU GO, THEN THAT CONNECTS YOU TO THERE ACROSS, YEAH.
IS THERE A, A MARKED, UH, REFUSE AREA FOR WHERE THE DUMPSTERS WILL BE STORED? THERE WILL BE IN THE REAR, THERE WILL BE IN THE REAR WHERE THE DUMP, SO THERE'S, SORRY IT'S REALLY LOUD.
THERE'S DUMPSTERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THOSE OPERATIONS OCCUR IN THE BACK, SO THEY'LL FOLLOW THE SAME PROTOCOL WITH THAT.
'CAUSE I'M JUST LOOKING AT STREET VIEW.
IT'S FROM 2015, SO THINGS CAN CERTAINLY HAVE CHANGED IN THE INTERVENING 11 YEARS
UH, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE THE DUMPSTERS ARE KIND OF SPREAD HAPHAZARD IN THE REAR.
UM, SO WE'D WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANIZED, UH, IF IT'S NOT ALREADY.
I IMAGINE THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE WASTE FROM A RESTAURANT THAN THERE WAS THE VERIZON STORE.
UM, AND THEN, UH, IN TERMS OF PARKING FOR DELIVERY TRUCKS SAID IT BE BEFORE, UH, BE OPEN, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHERE IT WOULD PARK OR LIKE, WOULD THEY JUST OCCUPY THOSE SOUTHERN SPACES OR WOULD THEY PARK IN THE BACK OR IS THAT, UH, THAT REAR SPACE KIND OF QUOTE UNQUOTE BELONGS TO, UH, THE BQ CHICKEN PLACE OR, OH, MANDARIN, OR IS THERE LIKE A DESIGNATED PARKING AREA FOR THE TRUCKS FOR UH, THIS RESTAURANT? WE, WE HAVE NOT INDICATED THAT IN THE LEASE WITH THE TENANT, WE CERTAINLY COULD WORK SOMETHING OUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TOM WANTED TO SEE.
I THINK, JOHN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE TRUCKS WOULD PRETTY MUCH JUST PULL UP AND AN UNLOAD, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE EXTERIOR, MR. AL? HOW MANY, HOW MANY, UH, HANDICAP SPOTS ARE DEDICATED FOR THE RESTAURANT? SO, NONE IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT.
UH, THERE ARE EIGHT CURRENTLY, SORRY, I DUNNO WHY THIS IS DOING THIS TO ME.
SO, IN PROXIMITY TO THE RESTAURANT, THERE ARE EIGHT 80 A, UH, ACCESSIBLE, UH, PARKING STALLS, UM, LOCATED HERE AND HERE, BUT THAT'S FOR ALL THE PATRONS IN THE CENTER.
ADDITIONAL, LIKE, BECAUSE IT'S A SHARED PARKING CENTER, THERE'S NEVER LIKE A SPOT THAT'S DESIGNATED RIGHT FOR EACH OR ANYONE, UH, RESTAURANT OR STORE ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF SOUTHERN SIDE WHERE THERE'S THAT BIG, UH, STRIPED AREA.
UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CONVERT ONE OF THOSE OR TWO OF THOSE SPACES INTO A DA SPACES? 'CAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ACCESS AISLE AND YOU'RE PROPOSING ENTRANCES ON THAT SIDE.
WHERE ARE WE TALKING? SO RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE, NOT NECESSARILY, BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE WHERE A TRANSFORMER'S LOCATED.
WE'RE HAVING TO INSTALL A NEW TRANSFORMER TO, UM, FOR THE INCREASED, UM, THIS WAY.
ELECTRIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, THAT GO, THAT GO OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING ONTO THE SIDEWALK? IT MIGHT HAVE TO, YES.
I THINK IT WOULD AVOID MM-HMM
IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY, I'LL JUST DRAW IT IN MY, YES.
IT WOULD BE LIKE HERE AND SIT IN THAT STRIPED AREA.
IT WOULDN'T CONFLICT WITH THE SIDEWALK AT ALL.
UM, THERE ON THE NORTHERN, I GUESS THE PLAN NORTH SIDE, THERE'S THAT RAMP UP THE, UP THE, UM, UP TO THE SIDEWALK.
UM, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'D BE A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR, UH, TO HAVE, UH, AN A DA SPACE AND THEN HAVE THEM, UH, IF SOMEONE COULDN'T GO OVER A CURB TO NAVIGATE TO THAT AREA? YEAH.
UM, I HAVE TO DO, I THINK I'M BLANKING ON THE REQUIREMENT FOR A DAI HAVE TO REMIND MYSELF AS TO WHAT THAT IS, BUT I MEAN, IF I, IF I WERE IN THAT POSITION, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I WOULD CERTAINLY PARK HERE AND I THINK WE WILL, I THINK WE NEED TO RUN A CALCULATION THAT'S VALIDATES IF THIS IS SUFFICIENT.
UH, MR. CANNING, I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND RAISED.
UM, SO ON THE INTERIOR PLAN, THE TWO DOORS FOR THE YELLOW, THE DOOR ON THE LEFT, WAS THAT ONLY FOR EMPLOYEES OR WAS THAT A PUBLIC ENTRANCE? THAT DOOR? THIS ONE IS FOR DELIVERIES ONLY, SO THAT WILL NOT BE ACCESSIBLE FOR PATRONS.
UM, THIS IS THE ONLY ACCESS FOR VISITORS FOR PATRONS, UM, FROM THAT SOUTH PARKING AREA.
EMPLOYEES CAN COME BACK THERE.
EMPLOYEES CAN GO, YOU KNOW, USE THE, THE SERVICE DOOR.
SO, UM, ACTUALLY, UM, YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE, UH, SITE PLAN MM-HMM
BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT STREET VIEW HERE.
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LAST THREE SPACES, RIGHT? YEP.SO IF YOU, THE SPACE NEXT TO THE LAST THREE SPACES WAS DESIGNATED AADA A MM-HMM
IF IT MET THE SLOPE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT LOOKS KIND OF FLAT OUT THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
THE SPACE NEXT TO IT COULD BE AN ACCESS AISLE AND THE DOOR, I'M LOOKING OUT HERE, 1, 2, 3.
THE DOOR IS THE VERY, IS IN FRONT OF THE VERY NEXT SPACE.
IT'S LIKE RIGHT HERE ESSENTIALLY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, FRANKLY I THINK IT IS, YOU'RE NOT LOSING ANYTHING FROM YOUR PARKING COUNT, RIGHT? YOU COULD PROVIDE AN A DA SPACE THERE BECAUSE THE ACCESS I IS ALREADY PROVIDED.
UH, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD A, A CURVE, A FLUSH CURVE TO GET UP SOMEWHERE THERE.
AND, UM, THAT THE GRADES COMPLY PROVIDED THE GRADES COMPLIED.
UM, SO IT IS NOW 9 27 AND, AND I THINK WE WILL, WE'LL PROBABLY COME BACK.
I THINK I, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK, BUT I, I DID JUST WANNA JUMP INTO THE INTERIOR QUICKLY.
UM, IF YOU CAN PUT, BRING UP THE INTERIOR.
SO, SO THERE ARE 421 SEATS AND HOW MANY, UH, TOILETS PROPOSED? UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6.
UM, I'LL SAY THIS, WHATEVER NUMBER IS PROPOSED IS THE NUMBER REQUIRED BY YOUR SEAT.
I BELIEVE BUILDING MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THAT.
IS THERE A STATE CODE THAT THERE'S A STATE CODE THAT DICTATES BATHROOMS BASED ON, OR TOILETS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SEATS? RIGHT.
SO IT'S, UH, ONE PER EVERY 75 I BELIEVE.
I'D WANNA CHECK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BUT I THINK IT'S ONE PER EVERY 75.
AND WHICH WOULD REQUIRE I THINK FIVE, UH, ONE PER 75 OR TWO.
YEAH, SO POTENTIALLY 10 I THINK IT COMES OUT TO, YEAH.
SO, SO IF YOU CAN VERIFY THAT.
UM, AND THEN IF, IF MORE TOILETS WERE REQUIRED, I IMAGINE THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME RECONFIGURATION OF, OF THE INTERIOR.
UM, AND, AND, AND, SORRY, THE LOCKERS.
SO, SO IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF, OF THIS PLAN, ARE THOSE LOCKERS OR IS THAT STORAGE OR WHAT, WHAT IS THAT SECTION? THE TOP LEFT? IT IS KIND OF DARK.
YEAH, THAT IS, UH, A WALK-IN COOLER AND FREEZER.
SO JUST ABOVE THE YELLOW SECTION? YEAH.
SO FROM GOING FROM THE TOP OF THE CORNER PLAN LEFT TO THE BATHROOMS AND DOWN KIND OF A, A LITTLE BIT OF A DOG LIQUID THERE AT THE END, THAT IS THE, UH, THAT IS THE FREEZER CO.
IS THERE ANY STAFF STORAGE THEN OR ANY STAFF SPACE? I'M SORRY, IN TERMS OF WHAT BACKPACKS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THEY MIGHT BRING TO, TO WORK.
COATS, UH, WASHROOM THERE WILL BE IN, IN THIS.
SO ON THE BACK WALL YOU HAVE THIS COLLECTION OF VARIOUS THINGS AND THAT IS, UH, THAT, THAT AREA WILL BE DESIGNATED AS, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? THIS STAFF PERSONAL ITEM COLLECTION.
AND SO WILL THERE BE LOCKERS OR HOW, HOW WILL THAT BE STORED? IT'LL JUST BE OUT IN THE OPEN.
USUALLY IT'S PUT IN A SECURE DOOR BEHIND AN OFFICE.
AND SO 35 EMPLOYEES WOULD, WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THIS SHARED OFFICE WHERE THEY WOULD STORE BAGS AND JACKETS AND, AND WHATEVER OTHER PERSONAL EFFECTS THEY MIGHT HAVE? RIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY EMPLOYEE SPECIFIC RESTROOMS OR WOULD THEY USE THE RESTROOMS FOR THE, UH, AS THE REST OF THE RESTAURANT? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CODE, UM, EMPLOYEE SPECIFIC RESTROOMS ARE NOT REQUIRED, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
UM, I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE SUSHI PORTION WOULD ACCESS THE BATHROOMS. MM-HMM
UM, TO ME, UH, LOOKING AT THIS PLAN AND AS A, YOU KNOW, IF I WERE A PATRON OF THIS RESTAURANT, I WOULD NOT THINK THAT I AS A GUEST WOULD BE ABLE TO WALK BEHIND THE BAR TO ACCESS, UH, TO CROSS THE SPACES, TO ACCESS THE BATHROOMS. SO SOME INTERIOR SIGNAGE, UH, INDICATING LIKE BATHROOMS THIS WAY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, I THINK WOULD, UH, BE HELPFUL FROM A GUEST EXPERIENCE PERSPECTIVE.
AND, AND DO YOU IMAGINE MUCH, MUCH TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE KITCHEN AND THE BAR AREA THAT MIGHT, MIGHT
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GET IN THE WAY OF, OF PATRONS TRYING TO TAKE THE JOURNEY TO THE BATHROOM? NOT GENERALLY, NO.IN OUR OTHER CONCEPTS, IT'S DESIGNED VERY SIMILARLY AND THERE'S NOT A, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE PROBABLY ALL BEEN IN THAT SITUATION BEFORE WHERE WE'VE HAD TO CROSS TO AN AREA THAT WE FEEL IS AN OPERATIONS AREA.
UM, THE WAY WE DESIGN THAT, IT, IT IS NOT A, IT DOESN'T APPEAR AS THOUGH IT IS PRODUCTION, RIGHT? IT IS NOT KITCHEN OR PRODUCTION AREA.
IT'S MORE HALLWAY ORIENTED, BUT, BUT NO, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CROSSOVER BETWEEN THE, UH, UM, THE BAR AREA AND THE RESTAURANT.
UM, THE BAR IS SELF-CONTAINED.
IT HAS ITS OWN ICE MAKER, IT HAS ITS OWN REFRIGERATION, ALL THAT THAT IT NEEDS.
SO, AND OPERATIONALLY THEY, THEY TEND TO STAY IN THAT AREA AND THEY DO NOT GO INTO THE KITCHEN AREA.
IS IS SUSHI BEING PREPARED IN THE SUSHI AREA OR IS IT BEING PREPARED IN THE KITCHEN? IS THERE LIKE A SUSHI CHEF THAT'S ON DISPLAY? THERE IS.
SO THIS IS WHERE THE MOST OF THE SUSHI PREPARATION OCCURS.
WHERE HER, IT WAS THE 79, 78 AND WHERE HER CURSOR IS.
S SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THAT SECTION IN THE CENTER OF THE SUSHI WITH, WITH THE TWO CURBED LINES? BECAUSE I ORIGINALLY, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE BAR, UM, BEFORE YOU, YOU IDENTIFIED WHERE THE BAR IS.
SO LIKE, WHAT IS THAT, WHAT IS THAT CENTER AREA? UH, BANQUETTE SEED.
UM, I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? I DID NOT HEAR THAT.
YEAH, BOOTH, BOOTH SEATING ON ONE SIDE, UH, CHAIRS, SEATING ON THE OTHER.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE INTERIOR FROM ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD? WE DO HAVE SOME PHOTOS HERE AS WELL AS LIKE KIND OF WHAT THE VIBE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
JUST SOME EXAMPLES OF FOOD ITEMS.
DO, DO YOU DO LIKE LARGE PARTIES AT, AT YOUR OTHER LOCATIONS OR IS IT MOSTLY LIKE SMALL GROUPS OF FOUR TO 10, LET'S SAY? I MEAN THE, THE TYPICAL PARTY IS IS FOUR.
YOU, YOU CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
BUT WE DO HAVE LONG TABLE RUNS TO ACCOMMODATE LARGER PARTIES.
ARE YOU ENVISIONING AN AN EVENT HERE?
UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU
WELL I THINK THAT GOES TO THE FAVOR OF THE PARKING BECAUSE THE MOST OF THE TIME PEOPLE GOING IN GROUPS LIKE THAT ARE CAR POOLING TOGETHER.
THEY'RE NOT GOING IN FOUR DIFFERENT CARS.
THE EXISTING LIGHTING IN THE PARKING LOT.
NOW, IS THAT GONNA CHANGE IF THE RESTAURANTS GET BUILT? IS IT GONNA STAY THE SAME? THIS IS WHY I HAVE KELLY ON THE PHONE.
KELLY, HOW'S IT SET TODAY? IT'S SET TO, IT DIMS AT A CERTAIN HOUR NOW.
YEAH, I DON'T SEE HER IN THE MEETING.
IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE ADJUSTED, THE LIGHTS CAN BE ADJUSTED AND IF THEY NEED TO STAY ON LATER, THEY CAN'T.
THAT'S ALL DONE VIA SOFTWARE THESE DAYS AFTER OUR LED UPGRADE.
SO I, I THINK IF YOU CAN VERIFY WHAT, WHAT THE BATHROOM REQUIREMENTS ARE AND CERTAINLY YOU CAN REACH OUT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IF THERE'S ANY, UH, ANY REQUEST FOR CLAR OR NEED FOR CLARIFICATION.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALRIGHT, WHEN, UH, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU'D BE READY TO COME BACK? SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS MARCH 4TH AND THEN THE MEETING, THAT ONE.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SUBMIT, UH, YOUR REVISIONS BY MONDAY SO WE COULD, UH, MAKE SURE WE HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT WITH
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JOHN CANNING, UH, IN TIME FOR THAT TOO.AND THEN GIVE, I'LL GET BACK TO YOU TOMORROW.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE FOR ME, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER MEMBERS HERE WE NEED TO CONSULT WITH, SO IF WE CAN'T, I'LL LET YOU KNOW TOMORROW.
SO, SO MATT, THEY'RE LOOKING INTO THE HANDICAP, THEY'RE LOOKING INTO.
YEAH, I GUESS, DO YOU WANT TO SUMMARIZE? YEAH, SUMMARIZE WHAT, UH, IF YOU CAN SUMMARIZE WHAT YOUR POINTS ARE.
WANNA, UM, DID YOU TAKE THE NOTES AS WELL? YEAH, BUT HERE I'LL DO SOME AND THEN HE CAN DO THOSE.
MAKE SURE YOU GOT IT COVERED BETWEEN THE TWO OF US IN TERMS OF THE SITE AREA.
SO PROVIDING A HANDICAPPED PARKING STALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, AS WELL AS A PEDESTRIAN KIND OF SAFETY, UH, WALK CROSSWALK OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
LOOKING AT WHATEVER OPTIONS WE CAN EXPLORE FOR THAT IN THE, IN THE SOUTH PARKING LOT.
THE SIGNAGE AT BUS STOPS TO THE PLAN AT BUS STOPS.
I LIKE THE SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS TO CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
CONSIDER A DA STALL, UM, NEXT TO THE STRIPED AREA, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM IF IT'S FLAT AND ANYTHING ELSE THEN? THE BATHROOM.
AND, UH, JUST SHOWING THE REFUSE AREA WHERE, UH, DUMPSTERS ARE GONNA GO AREA.
AND, AND I KNOW, UH, I KNOW DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR GARRITY WASN'T AVAILABLE THIS EVENING.
I KNOW SHE DID SEND A, OR DID WRITE A MEMO THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED TO THE BOARD.
UM, IF SHE WAS AVAILABLE TO ATTEND THE NEXT MEETING, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE HER, UM, WALK US THROUGH THAT MEMO.
YEAH, I BELIEVE SHE DID EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT THE SEATS, BUT, AND, AND PARKING.
BUT I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WERE OTHER, I THINK THE PARKING WAS THE MOST, YEAH.
WAS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT RIGHT.
UH, SO SEEING NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 9:38 PM SO MOVED.
MS. ROBINSON MEETING IS ADJOURNED.