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WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, MARCH 4TH, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
IT IS 7:05 PM UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, CAN YOU CONDUCT THE ROLE? SURE.
UH, OUR ALTERNATE MS. ROBINSON HERE AND OUR ALTERNATE MR. PATEL HERE.
BOTH WILL BE VOTING MEMBERS THIS EVENING.
UH, DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE FEBRUARY 18TH MINUTES THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED? YES.
WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NOPE.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 18TH MINUTES.
UM, WE HAVE NO CORRESPONDENCE THIS EVENING.
UH, SO OUR, UH, FIRST OFF, UH, FOR OUR WORK SESSION IS CASE NUMBER PB 25 13 CONE AT ZERO PETER BOND ROAD IN IRVINGTON.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AND TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION OR WILL WE JUMP RIGHT INTO THE DOCUMENTS? YEAH, WE ADVISED MR. PATEL THAT IT WASN'T ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY THAT HE ATTEND.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE MAY BE A QUESTION FROM ONE OF OUR MEMBERS AND, UH, IF YOU WANT TO STATE THAT FOR THE RECORD, I CAN RELAY THAT QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT.
UM, BECAUSE THEY, JUST FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, THE PLANNING BOARD IS ANTICIPATED TO VOTE UPON A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, UH, THIS EVENING.
THEN THE APPLICANT'S GONNA TRANSITION TO THE ZONING BOARD IN AN ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN REQUIRED, UH, VARIANCES FOR THE PROJECT.
IF AND WHEN THAT TAKES PLACE, THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY GET AN ANSWER TO THAT WELL BEFORE.
SO THE QUESTION WAS, UM, THEY HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE A ONE INCH WATER WATER LINE COMING INTO THEIR PROPERTY THAT WATERLINE MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT ONCE THEY DO THEIR, UH, HYDRAULIC, I'M SORRY.
YOU JUST MAKE SURE YOUR MIC IS ON.
LAST WEEK OR THE LAST MEETING THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY HAVE A ONE INCH WATER MAIN COMING TO THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, THAT ONE INCH WATER MAIN MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE HYDRAULIC S FOR THEIR SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEIR INTENT WOULD BE TO RESIZE IT AS THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE WATER MAIN TO RETAP.
SO I WILL, UH, TAKE THAT QUESTION, RELAY IT TO THE APPLICANT AND WE'LL GET AN ANSWER WELL BEFORE THIS COMES BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, SO DISTRIBUTED IN OUR PACKETS WAS A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA FOR AREA VARIANCES.
UM, BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THAT RECOMMENDATION, I DO KNOW WE ALSO RECEIVED AN UPDATED, UH, VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT OR DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY MAGANA.
UH, COULD ONE OF YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE CHANGES WERE IN THE VARIANCE DETERMINATIONS? YES.
SO THERE WAS, AS YOU MENTIONED, A UH, REVISED VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO DATED FEBRUARY 26TH, 2026.
AND THE REVISION RELATED TO, UM, THE VARIANCE, PARDON ME, THE, UM, THE VARIANCE RELATED TO NEW YORK STATE, NEW YORK STATE CONSOLIDATED LAWS TOWN LAW TWO 80 DASH A FIVE WAS REALLY, UH, THE LANGUAGE CONTAINED WITHIN THE DESCRIPTION.
SO NOW IT INDICATES, UH, THAT ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS OVER AN EXISTING SHARED DRIVEWAY BY EASEMENT, WHICH IS SUBSTANDARD IN THIS CASE, LESS THAN 15 FEET WIDE, REQUIRING THE VARIANCE FROM NEW YORK STATE TOWN LAW.
AND THEY'RE PROPOSED, UH, AS 14 FEET.
BUT THEN THERE'S A FOOTNOTE THAT INDICATES UNDER NEW YORK STATE TOWN LAW TWO 80 A, A BUILDING PERMIT MAY ONLY BE ISSUED IF THE LOT HAS ACCESS TO A STREET OR HIGHWAY THAT IS EITHER A SHOWN ON AN OFFICIAL MAP OR PLAN B, AN EXISTING STATE, COUNTY, OR TOWN HIGHWAY, OR CA PRIVATE ROAD THAT MEETS THE STANDARDS REQUIRED BY THE TOWN.
UM, AND SO AT THE LAST MEETING WE DISCUSSED, UH, WHETHER, UH, THE BOARD WANTED TO MAKE A POSITIVE, NEGATIVE OR NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA.
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THAT TIME RECOMMENDED POSITIVE.UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS SLIGHT CHANGE IN, IN THE VARIANCE DETERMINATION, UH, WOULD CHANGE THE, THE DIRECTION THAT THE BOARD WOULD WANT TO GO IN.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT WITH THE REST OF THE BOARD BEFORE WE, UH, JUMP INTO THE, TO THE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, SO DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA? MM-HMM
AND WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK? NO.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, DO YOU WANNA WALK US THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE RECOMMENDATION? SURE.
SO WE OUTLINE, UH, WHAT THE PROJECT PROPOSES AS, UM, MAINLY AS INDICATED IN THE AGENDA.
UM, WE DO IDENTIFY THAT, UH, THE VARIANCE IS REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, AS SUCH THERE IS AN UPDATE TO THE DRAFT BECAUSE THE DRAFT WAS PREPARED AHEAD OF THE, UM, REVISED VARIANCE DETERMINATION MEMO BEING ISSUED.
SO YOU MAY NOTE IN BOLD IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH, IT, UH, STATES IN A MEMORANDUM DATED SEPTEMBER 12TH, 2025.
SO THAT WILL BE UPDATED TO, UM, REFLECT THE REVISED VARIANCE DETERMINATION.
MEMO DATE, UM, I'M SORRY, I WAS READING OFF A SEPARATE ONE.
IT INDICATES IN A MEMORANDUM DATED FEBRUARY 5TH, RIGHT 2026.
AND THE UPDATED IS FEBRUARY 26TH, 2026.
SO WE WILL ACCURATELY REFLECT THAT.
UM, WE JUST GO THROUGH THE DATES OR DATE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD DISCUSSED THE PROJECT.
AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THIS EVENING, WE OUTLINE THE VARIANCES AND, UM, THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER AS DISCUSSED, UH, ISSUING ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON THE VARIANCES.
WE DO INDICATE THAT, UM, AND IT'S, IT'S STRICKEN THROUGH, BUT, UM, WE HAVE DRAFT LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT INDICATES THE PLANNING BOARD FINDS THAT ENABLING THE APPLICANT TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING SHARED DRIVEWAY WOULD PREVENT UNNECESSARY IMPACTS TO TREES, STEEP SLOPES, AND NEIGHBORS.
THAT WOULD BE CAUSED BY THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ZONING COMPLIANT DRIVEWAY THROUGH THE APPLICANT'S ACCESS STRIP AND THEREFORE SUPPORTS THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR THE NOTED AREA VARIANCES.
SO THAT LANGUAGE IS GONNA STAY IN, THAT WOULD STAY RIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF ADOPTED, BASICALLY THE STRIKETHROUGHS COME OUT OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE RECOMMENDATION? NO.
UM, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, MAKE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA ON THE TWO VARIANCES, UH, AND ADOPT THE RECOMMENDATION MEMO AS AMENDED.
UM, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 0 5 2 0 5 2 0 7 SAW RIVER ROAD LLC.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AN AMENDED SITE DEMAND IN LANDSCAPE BUFFER WAIVERS.
UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A PRESENTATION THIS EVENING? NO.
UH, THEN ALSO IN OUR PACKETS WERE A DRAFT, UH, ZBA RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CASE.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT RECOMMENDATION? RIGHT.
SO SIMILARLY, UH, TO THE LAST CASE, WE OUTLINE, UM, WHAT THE PROJECT INVOLVES AND THE VARIOUS APPROVALS REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT, THE VARIANCES, UH, INCLUDING THE VARIANCES, I SHOULD SAY, AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER WAIVERS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED BY, BY THIS BOARD.
UH, THE FACT THAT THE BOARD MET ON FEBRUARY 4TH AND FEBRUARY 18TH ON THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN, UM, AS I BELIEVE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, THE BOARD WAS LEANING TOWARDS A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION INDICATING THAT THERE WERE NO COMPELLING PLANNING REASONS OR IMPLICATIONS FOR THE BOARD TO VOTE EITHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE ON THE REQUESTED AREA OF VARIANCES.
SO THAT IS HOW WE DRAFTED IT FOR THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS? NO.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ISSUE A NEUTRAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZBA, UH, ON THE SEVEN VARIANCES RELATED TO CASE NUMBER PB 25 0 5.
SO, WHO, UH, MOVED MR. PILLINGER? SECONDED.
MS. ANDERSON? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
SO NOW WE WILL ENTER PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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SO, MOVED, MOVED, MS. ANDERSON.UM, WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, IT IS STILL WEDNESDAY, MARCH 4TH, 2026 AND IT'S STILL THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, AND MAY YOU CONDUCT THE ROLE? SURE.
MR. PILLINGER HERE, OUR ALTERNATE MS. ROBINSON HERE AND OUR SECOND ALTERNATE MR. PATEL.
HERE, UH, NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER ED WEINBERG IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING, AND BOTH ALTERNATES WILL BE FULL VOTING MEMBERS.
UH, SO FIRST UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING IS CASE NUMBER PB 25 39, GALVANIZE, LLC AT 85 AND 1 0 1 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING AN AMENDED SITE PLAN, A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, AND A TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT, UH, MR. BERNSTEIN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
UM, WITH ME IS CONRAD CUTLER, THE PRESIDENT OF GALVANIZE, LLC, WHO IS DISTRIBUTING, UM, UH, AN AMENDED, UH, SHEET TO THE SITE PLAN TO REFLECT A MODIFICATION OF THE TREE, UH, THE TREES THAT WILL, THAT WILL BE INSTALLED, UM, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT THAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
UM, WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS, IS, UH, GALVANIZES A, UH, UH, A BEVERAGE RECYCLING FACILITY.
UH, THE COMPANY IS LOCATED ON EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD IN THE PD DISTRICT.
UM, IT'S LOCATED AT 85 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD.
UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY ALLOW, UH, UH, GALVANIZE TO CONSTRUCT OR EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY TO THE BUILDING SO AS TO PERMIT A LOADING DOCK TO BE INSTALLED IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WILL BE SCREENED BY THE TREES THAT ARE DESCRIBED IN THE, UH, ON THE PAGE THAT YOU JUST WERE, UH, WERE HANDED.
UH, UH, AND TO DO THIS, UM, REQUIRES, UH, UH, ACCESS TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTY 1 0 1 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, UM, IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT, UH, UH, DRAIN, UH, STORM, STORM WATER MITIGATION.
UM, WHICH IN CONNECTION WITH THIS APPLICATION ALSO REQUIRES A WETLANDS PERMIT BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF, UH, OF EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD, THERE IS A WATERCOURSE, A STREAM.
UH, UH, THIS APPLICATION SHOULD NOT AFFECT THAT STREAM, BUT IT'S IN THE BUFFER ZONE.
SO THEREFORE A PERMIT IS REQUIRED AND THE STORM WATER, UH, REQUIREMENTS MUST BE MET.
UH, AND WE THINK THEY HAVE BEEN AND, AND, UH, IN CONNECTION WITH WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED.
SO, UH, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
UH, WE APPEARED BEFORE THE CAC AND RECEIVED THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE TO, UH, REQUIRE THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THE STORM WATER MITIGATION, THAT THERE BE A WATER OIL, WATER SEPARATOR.
UH, AND WE'VE AMENDED THE SITE PLAN TO REFLECT, UH, THE INSTALLATION OF A, OF AN OIL WATER SEPARATOR AS PART OF THE, UH, STORM WATER MITIGATION SYSTEM.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY IT, UH, IN CONNECTS WITH THIS APPLICATION AND NO VARIANCE VARIANCES REQUIRED.
UH, AND, UH, UH, THE CAC AS I SAID, INDICATED OR RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO FORWARD, BUT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UH, THAT THE SPECIES INVOLVED IN TERMS OF WHAT'S BEING REPLACED, UH, WAS ON THEIR LIST OF, UH, UH, APPROVED SPECIES.
UH, IT NOW IS, IT'S CALLING FOR A COMMON JUNIPER, UH, AND BASICALLY A HEDGE.
SO THEY'RE PUTTING UP A, A HEDGE TO ACT AS A SCREENER FROM THE STREET.
NOT MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE SEEING IT ANYWAY, BUT IT'S THERE FOR THE AESTHETIC, UH, FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NOPE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC, UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? NO.
UM, ALRIGHT THEN I GUESS I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH MARCH 11TH.
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YOU HAVE TO SAY.I WOULD ASSUME THEN THAT THE NEXT THING WOULD BE A, A DECISION, UH, OF APPROVAL, UM, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO STAFF WILL PREPARE A DRAFT DECISION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION ON MARCH 18TH.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP, UH, FOR PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 19 BJA AT FIVE FARM WAY, UH, DRIVE.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION? SURE.
WE, WE, WE'VE ALREADY MADE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ON, ON YOUR TWO VARIANCES
THERE, THERE WAS ONE QUESTION FROM THE BOARD THAT WILL TRANSMIT VIA EMAIL, UM, REGARDING THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND THE, THE DIAMETER OF THE WATER MAIN AND ITS ABILITY AND ITS CAPACITY FOR THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
BUT, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT WILL SEND YOU A CORRESPONDENCE AND, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL HOPEFULLY GET AN ANSWER BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO US AFTER THE CBA.
UH, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, EMILIO ESCALADES, ESCALADES ASSOCIATES, ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS.
UM, THE LAST TIME WE MET, WE HAD A PRELIMINARY PRESENTATION OF THIS PROPOSED NEW HOUSE ON AN UNDEVELOPED LOT.
IT'S AN R 40 ZONE, SO IT'S A VERY LARGE PIECE.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF ITS GEOMETRIC MAKEUP, THE HOUSE HAD TO TAKE A VERY SPECIFIC, UH, UH, PERIMETER ALIGNMENT.
AND THAT ALIGNMENT PLACED US, UH, SPANNING FROM A HIGH END TO A SLOW DESCENT TO A FLAT LOWER AREA.
THAT SECTION THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF ME IS THE, THE PICTURE THAT TOTALLY DESCRIBES THE ESSENCE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY.
AND BECAUSE WE, UH, I THINK WE, WE DISTURB MORE THAN A CERTAIN AREA 500, WE NEED A SPECIAL PERMIT FROM THE BOARD FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PORTION PERMIT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONCE THIS IS OBTAINED, UM, THEN WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO INTO THE BUILDING PERMIT AND OBTAIN A BUILDING PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT IT.
UM, TO DEFINE THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE PICTORIAL OF, UH, THE SITE PLAN.
WHAT I DID IN THE GREEN IS JUST, YOU SEE THE OVER OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF, UH, UNTOUCHED LAND.
THE GREEN, OF COURSE, REPRESENTS THE GRASS COVER, AND THE OTHER OBJECTS ARE THE, UH, HOUSED THE PAVEMENT, UM, AND THE POOL THAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
THIS, THIS HOUSE, IN ESSENCE, IS A WALKOUT BASEMENT TYPE OF SITUATION.
WE HAVE TWO STORIES ON THE FRONT SIDE.
YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY, A DOUBLE CURB CUT IN THE DRIVEWAY, AND YOU WALK DOWN THROUGH THE HOUSE TO A VERY LEVEL BACKYARD.
UM, IT IS DESIGNED REALLY IN KEEPING WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, THE, THE HOUSES THAT I DESIGNED FOR THE, BOTH THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT, THEY'RE BOTH ALREADY BUILT TO THE STYLE THAT WE BASICALLY ARE, UH, UH, ADHERING TO AS OUR OWN CODE OF, UH, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS SO THAT ALL THREE HOUSES THERE APPEAR TO BE, UH, DESIGNED BY THE GREAT, THE SAME GREAT ARCHITECT.
UM, BUT IN KEEPING AND RESPECTING THE INVESTMENT OF THE OTHER OWNERS, UM, THEY WERE CONCERNED WHEN, UH, I, I WAS THE ARCHITECT FOR THEM AND THEY, THEY QUESTIONED ME AND I ASSURED THEM THE HOUSES BE, WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT IN SIZE.
IT'S SIMILAR IN STYLE AND IN KEEPING OF THE SAME MATERIALS AND ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.
SO I'VE SHOWN THEM THE DRAWINGS.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY AND ANXIOUS FOR THE, FOR THE OWNER.
UM, SO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY WANT TO HAVE OF ANSWER, UH, HE WILL, HE WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
UM, WE'RE VERY HAPPY, WE'RE HAPPY THAT WE REACHED THIS POINT BECAUSE THE TOWN OF GREENBERG IS BECOMING VERY, VERY, UH, HARD TO GET THROUGH AT THE BEGINNING SO THAT THE BOARD NOW RECEIVES THE BENEFIT OF THEIR, UH, VERY, UH, RIGOROUS, UH, RESEARCH AND, AND DEMANDS.
UH, BUILDINGS, EVEN BUILDINGS REQUIRED.
UH, I WAS SURPRISED THAT THE FIRST TIME THE BUILDINGS GOT INVOLVED IN THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, UH, WITH RESPECT TO HEIGHT, WITH RESPECT TO COVERAGE AND ALL OF THAT, BECAUSE THESE ARE ITEMS THAT MAY CERTAINLY AFFECT, UM, YOUR DECISIONS.
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THEM CLEARED THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, IT SHOULD GIVE YOU, UH, TRANQUILITY IN SAYING, OKAY, THIS, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED SEVERELY BY, BY THE TOWN STAFF, UM, AS WELL AS ME, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AND I'M, I'M STAMPING IT.WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP A NICE OPEN BACKYARD.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TREES SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR PRIVACY AND EXCLUSIVITY FOR THIS LOT, WHICH IS A GRAND LOT.
ONE OF THE OLD GRAND LOTS LEFT IN GREENBURG.
UM, AND AS I SAID, THE NEIGHBORS ARE IN KEEPING WITH THIS SCALE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
UM, UM, WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO, TO ADHERE TO ALL THESE SCHEDULES OF TREES, BUT WE ARE PROBABLY GONNA DO THIS THAT YOU SEE THERE AND PLUS MORE, UM, UM, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF, OF INCREASING OUR PRIVACY.
AND, UM, THE FENCING IS, WILL BE, IT'S ALREADY THERE.
THE NEIGHBORS ALREADY HAVE AN A, A FENCE ON THE LEFT.
WE PROBABLY WILL PUT A FENCE ON THE REAR PROPERTY 'CAUSE THIS, THIS PROPERTY HAS THE ADVANTAGE THAT YOU CAN ACCESS IT FROM, FROM TWO ROADS.
BUT OF COURSE WE ARE ONLY OFFICIALLY GOING TO BE ACCESSED FROM THE FRONT.
UM, UM, THE, THE WATER AND THE UTILITY SERV, THE, UH, SILVER UTILITY SERVICES ARE ALL RIGHT AROUND THE HOUSE.
IT'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A DISTANCE.
THE EXCAVATION IS MINIMUM THE AMOUNT OF, UH, UH, MATERIAL THAT WILL BE, UH, IT WON'T EVEN BE REMOVED.
IT WILL BE SPREAD TOWARDS THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
SO THERE WILL BE VERY LITTLE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
UM, AND I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE, UH, HAVING TO EXCAVATE ROCK.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MISS THE ROCK.
THERE IS SOME ROCK IN THE AREA.
THERE WAS SOME ROCK ACROSS THE STREET, BUT, UH, WHATEVER IT IS, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL ADHERE TO THE CONDITIONS.
UM, UM, WE ONLY HAD TO CUT TWO TREES AND THERE WEREN'T, THERE WEREN'T REALLY ANY TREES ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, I THINK WE HAVE SECURED A BUILD, UM, A TREE PERMIT ALREADY.
UM, SO WE'RE READY TO, READY TO EXCAVATE AND, UH, BEGIN TO POUR BY PROBABLY IN A MONTH FROM NOW ONCE I GET THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, JUST TO CLARIFY ONE THING I SEE ON THE PLAN, AND WE HAVE IT INDICATED IN OUR AGENDA AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WENT OUT, THAT THERE ARE A TOTAL OF FOUR REGULATED TREES REQUESTED FOR REMOVAL IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
CLEARLY YOU HAVE A, A NUMBER OF TREES GOING IN AND THAT SATISFIES THE CODE.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHERE THE, WHERE THE FOUR WERE, WE BOTH WENT DOWN AND I CAN'T, I WAS, I WAS READING WHAT I HAD WRITTEN.
I THINK THOSE WERE, IN FACT, WE CUT THOSE, UM, UNOFFICIALLY THINKING THAT WE NEEDED THAT TO CUT THE GRASS AND EVERYTHING.
'CAUSE WE WERE TOLD TO CUT AND MAINTAIN.
SO WE WENT IN THERE AND WE CUT SOME OF THE TREES AND THE NEIGHBOR GOT VERY UPSET AND THEY CALLED THE TOWN.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU AND I DISCUSSED WHAT I DID THROW HAPPENING.
AND THEN I SHOWED THE DRAWINGS THAT THE, THE, THE GARAGE WAS GONNA BE RIGHT WHERE THOSE TREES WERE.
BUT WE, WE, WE, WE JUMPED THE GUN OKAY.
AND CLEARING THE HAT, THE PROPERTY, AND WE CUT THE TREE, UM, WITHOUT THE RIGHT TO DO SO.
BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED THIS THOUGHT OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO.
WE SHOWED YOU WHAT WE WERE GONNA PLANT AND SO ON.
AND, UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A MISTAKE, BUT, BUT THE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY REASONABLE.
WE EXPLAINED TO THEM, UH, THERE WERE SURPRISED.
OF COURSE IT WAS ONE TREE THERE THAT, THAT, THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT.
BUT IT WAS, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE TREES THAT I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE ASKED US TO CUT.
IT WAS AN INVASIVE SPECIES, I BELIEVE, BUT NEVERTHELESS, THAT, THAT WAS, THE NEIGHBORS WERE SATISFIED WITH OUR RESPONSE.
AND, UH, THAT, BUT THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AT, AT LEAST.
SO, SO OF THESE FOUR TREES, WHICH ONES WERE IN INVASIVE AND WHICH THOSE CUT THOSE TREES THAT YOU SEE WITH THE CROSS? YES, THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE CUT.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA IDENTIFY.
SO, UM, THIS TREE, THE BLACK CHERRY IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER OF THE GARAGE AREA WAS, UH, A BL WAS A NATIVE TREE, AND THE OTHER THREE WERE A BLACK LOCUST TREES, WHICH ARE INVASIVE.
SO THIS CLUSTER OF THREE, YOU HAVE A GOOD MEMORY.
I, I, I DID NOT REMEMBER THAT.
SO, SO THIS IS A, IS THIS A RETROACTIVE TREE, TREE REMOVAL PERMIT THEN? NO, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO FILE THE PERMIT.
ONCE WE, WE, WE FOUND WHAT WE HAD DONE WAS PREMATURE.
SO WE FILED, WE WERE ASKED BY THE VILLAGE.
THAT WAS A QUESTION FOR DEPUTY.
SO THEY WERE REQUIRED TO FILE AFTER THE FACT.
UM, THEY DID AND THEY SATISFIED THAT REQUIREMENT BY PUTTING TOGETHER A ROBUST PLAN, BUT THEN COULDN'T CARRY OUT THE PLAN BECAUSE THEY HAD TO COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE STEEP SLOPE.
ARE, ARE THE REMOVAL EXPECTATIONS GREATER WHEN TREES ARE REMOVED PRIOR TO PERMIT? YES.
SO THERE'S A 120% REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENT IN CONNECTION WITH TREES THAT ARE REMOVED WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF A PERMIT.
THIS APPLICANT FAR EXCEEDS THAT REQUIREMENT.
AND THEN ARE THERE FINES ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH REMOVING? UM, THERE CAN BE.
SO THAT ULTIMATELY WOULD BE UP TO MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE TOWN
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PROSECUTOR.UM, IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF THE ROBUST LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT GOES WELL BEYOND, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT IF ONE, UH, 120 PERCENT'S THE REQUIREMENT, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF IT WAS 200 PLUS PERCENT OKAY.
UM, SO AGAIN, I'LL REMIND THE BOARD THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE WILL MOVE.
AND SO I'D ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO, TO KEEP THEIR QUESTIONS TO, UH, THE SCOPE OF THOSE TWO PERMITS.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, UH, ON THESE TWO TOPICS? CAN I JUST GET CONFIRMATION THAT THERE WILL BE, THERE'S GONNA BE NO IMPORTED LANDFILL, THERE WILL BE ANY IMPORTED LANDFILL IMPORT.
WE HAVE MORE FILL THAN, THAN WE NEED.
WE CAN, UH, WE MAY EVEN HAVE TO EXPORT SOME FROM WHAT WE DIG, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
I THINK MY CALCULATIONS SHOW THAT WE CAN EASILY, UH, SPREAD IN, IN, WE HAVE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SPACE TO SPREAD IT OUT.
THE, THE, THE NOTICE SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT THE PROJECT REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 200 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION AND ZERO AND ZERO CUBIC YARDS HAVE IMPORTED.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT FROM THE BOARD? NOPE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, UH, THIS APPLICATION? UH, MAY YOU COME UP THE GREEN SHIRT.
UH, WOULD YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM? UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
NAME, UH, NAME, STREET ADDRESS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, HI, UH, MY NAME IS AARON.
UM, I LIVE NEXT DOOR AT THREE FARM WAY DRIVE, SEE MY NEIGHBOR AGAIN.
AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MY NEIGHBOR AND BREAKING BREAD AND HAVING OUR CHILDREN IN PLAY.
I, I'M HERE JUST BECAUSE I HAVE CONCERNS AS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP UP THERE, UH, MY LOT IS DIRECTLY TO THE LEFT OF IT.
AND, UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M SEEING THE VISUALS, AND I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT HOW ALL OF THIS WILL AFFECT MY LOT.
UM, IF THERE'S GONNA BE ANYTHING FROM THE EXCAVATION THAT'S GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING, THE WAY THAT WATER RUNS AND ANYTHING HAPPENS.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT I WAS THE RESIDENT WHO SPOKE TO YOU BACK THEN.
GOOD MEMORY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UM, AND I JUST WANNA EXPRESS CONCERNS MOVING FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH.
THAT THE WAY THAT THIS PLAYED OUT WAS THAT A LOT OF WORK WAS BEING DONE.
AND AFTER I CHECKED IT HOURS, THAT WORK SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DONE.
UH, TREES WERE REMOVED WITHOUT A PERMIT, AND THEN WHEN IT WAS REPORTED, UM, THERE WAS A STOP WORK ORDER AND THEN MORE TREES WERE REMOVED EVEN AFTER THE STOP WORK ORDER WAS DONE.
AND MYSELF AND A FEW OTHER NEIGHBORS, UH, WE CALLED ARBOIS, WE CALLED, I CALLED SAVE A TREE AND A SECOND ONE.
AND THEY SURVEYED THE PROPERTY AND THEY SAID A LOT OF THESE TREES THAT WENT DOWN WERE, UM, NOT INVASIVE SPECIES, AND THERE WERE MORE THAN THE FOUR THAT ARE MENTIONED HERE.
UM, I MENTIONED THAT JUST BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROCESS UP UNTIL THIS POINT WAS SHOOT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER, KIND OF DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES AS THEY FALL.
I'M JUST VERY HOPEFUL THAT THAT KIND OF PUT A SENSE OF LIKE, SERIOUSNESS TO ALL OF THIS AND MOVING FORWARD THINGS WILL BE DONE PROPERLY COMMUNICATED PROPERLY.
AT ONE POINT, EMILIO WAS VERY COMMUNICATIVE AND SAID THAT HE WOULD BE SHARING PLANS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
AND, AND IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU SAID YOU SHARED THEM WITH THE OTHER NEIGHBORS.
AND I, I JUST WANNA OPEN THE DOOR OF COMMUNICATION AND BE ABLE TO SEE THE LOT NEXT DOOR GO UP IN WHATEVER STYLE ANYBODY WANTS TO BUILD.
BUT AS LONG AS IT'S TO CODE AND IT'S DONE PROPERLY, AND MY CONCERN IS THE WAY THAT THE TREES WERE HANDLED, I WOULD HATE THAT THE EXCAVATION MIGHT NOT BE DONE RIGHT.
AND THEN AFTERWARDS THEY GO, WELL, THE HOUSE IS ALREADY UP.
WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO? UM, I'D LIKE TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF HOW IT'S GONNA AFFECT MY LOT AND WHAT THE MILESTONES ARE AND HOW IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF OBSERVED AND REPORTED.
SO I, I SEE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT IS, IS PULLING UP THE, THE TOPOGRAPHIC MAP, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK HIM TO, TO PULL UP.
UH, MR. ESCAL, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH SORT OF THE, THE TOP BIOGRAPHY OF THIS LOT? WELL, YES, THE, THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN.
I, I WE'RE SORRY ABOUT THE TREES.
I, I, I DON'T WANNA BE PUNITIVE WITH MY CLIENT ABOUT THAT.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY BUILT OUT OF NEW YORK CITY.
IT'S A, HE IS A BUILDER IN THE CITY.
AND SO, AND SO, I THINK THIS MISTAKE WAS JUST SO THAT THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS
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IT WASN'T DONE IN A, IN A WAY OF CHALLENGING ANYBODY.IT WAS SIMPLY HE, HE WAS TOLD TO CLEAN UP THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND SO HE STARTED TO DO SO.
AND WHEN HE REALIZED THAT THE TREE WAS IN THE PATH OF THE HOUSE, HE SAID, WELL, I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE SAID TO HIMSELF.
IF I'M NOT IN HIS MIND, BUT, AND, UH, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE, UH, I DON'T WANT THE BOARD TO FEEL THAT THIS IS A, A CHALLENGE TO ANYBODY.
AND AS YOU SEE THE, THE, THE BENEFIT OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR TRANSACTION IS THAT WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH A LOT MORE TREES THAT WILL BENEFIT NOT ONLY THE NEIGHBOR, BUT WILL CREATE THE PRIVACY THAT WE'RE ALL SEEKING.
NOW WITH RESPECT TO HIS FEAR OF CONSTRUCTION, UM, IT'S NORMAL FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS TO SAY THAT OBVIOUSLY OUR, MY RESPONSIBILITY AS THE ARCHITECT, UH, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
CERTAINLY HE HAS A BUILDER IS VERY MUCH AWARE.
HE'S BUILT WITH VERY, VERY SEVERE LIMITING SITES, BUILDING RIGHT UP AGAINST BUILDINGS.
SO HE'S MORE THAN QUALIFIED TO HANDLE THIS.
AND JUST TO GUARANTEE AND PUBLICLY STATE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, UM, THE, THE, THE EXISTING TO TOPOGRAPHY BETWEEN HIS LOT AND OURS WILL REMAIN INTACT.
BECAUSE THAT RIGHT NOW DESCRIBES A SWALE, WHICH IS A LOCAL LOW POINT WHERE THE WATER WILL BE TRAVERSING FROM THE FRONT, HIGH SIDE TO THE LOW SIDE.
THERE'S ALREADY A FENCE THERE, VERY NICE FENCE THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE.
SO THEY, THEY'VE ALREADY KIND OF PROTECTED IN TERMS OF WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS.
THE FENCE IS THERE FOR ANY KIND OF PHYSICAL, UM, UH, UH, ERROR THAT ANY OF THE WORKERS MIGHT HAVE.
UH, THE EXCAVATION IS, IS DEFINITE, UH, THE FIRST, THE FIRST THING WE'RE GOING TO DO, WE'RE GOING TO POUR.
ONCE WE POUR THAT WALL, IT WILL STABILIZE EVERYTHING.
AND THE CONTOURS THAT YOU SEE THERE WILL BE LEGALLY REQUIRED.
CERTAINLY ENGINEERING WILL BE THERE WATCHING, UH, LIKE A LION, THAT THIS DRAINAGE IS HONORED AND THAT THIS SURFACE WATER, UH, THAT IS NOW TRAVELING FROM THE HIGH SIDE TO THE LOW SIDE IS MAINTAINED AND FOLLOWS THOSE TOPOGRAPHICAL, UH, SWALE LINES.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UH, THERE REALLY, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY TO MY, UH, TO THE NEIGHBOR THAT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT I BELIEVE THAT HE SHOULD, UH, BE CONCERNED.
ONCE THAT, UH, EXCAVATION IS DONE AND, UH, EVERYTHING IS POURED, THEN YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH ISOLATED FROM THE, FROM THE PHYSICALITY OF THIS CONSTRUCTION.
THERE MIGHT BE A ONE YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, SOUND, SOUND NOISES.
AND, BUT ONCE THE EXCAVATION IS DONE, AND WE WILL BE VERY CAREFUL NOW THAT YOU MADE THIS STATEMENT.
WE WILL, WE WILL COMMUNICATE WHATEVER YOU NEED.
THE, THE FIRST THING THAT YOU WILL SEE WILL BE THIS, THE SURVEYOR STAKING OUT THE PROPERTY, WHICH YOU MAY ALREADY EVEN KNOW.
YOU, YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY STAKED OUT YOUR OWN PROPERTY WHEN YOU DID FENCE.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'S, UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE STAGES OF CONSTRUCTION ARE, UH, WHEN WE DO.
UH, AND I, I DIDN'T GIVE YOU ANYTHING AFTER.
I PROMISE YOU, BECAUSE I, I FELT THAT I NEEDED THE OWNER'S PERMISSION TO DO THAT.
AND, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL BECAUSE I, I WOULD'VE SAT, SAT WITH YOU, UH, AND EXPLAINED, AND I DID TELL YOU THAT THE GARAGE WAS THERE.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE THAT, I KNEW THAT THEN.
BUT THEN WE HAD TO DESIGN THE WHOLE HOUSE.
AND I DIDN'T WANT TO INVOLVE YOU UNTIL, UNTIL PRETTY RECENTLY, WHICH IS WHEN WE REALLY DECIDED THE WHOLE PERIMETER AND WHERE THE POOL WAS LOCATED AND ALL OF THAT.
SO MY APOLOGIES IF I, IF I, IF YOU FEEL LIKE, UH, I SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE COMMUNICATIVE, BUT YOU COULD'VE CALLED ME, YOU COULD'VE COME TO MY OFFICE ANYTIME.
YOU DID TEXT ME, BUT I'M TERRIBLE.
IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING IF IF JUST COMMUNICATE WITH THE BOARD.
AND ALSO, UM, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
YES, I HAVE THAT UP ON THE, YES.
THE, THE, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WE WERE SEGREGATING AREAS, UH, OF CONTRIBUTORY AREAS, UH, TO BE PICKED UP BY VARIOUS PODS.
THE PODS IS THE NAME THAT I CAME UP WITH FOR THE COLLECTION OF CALEX, THAT TOGETHER COULD HANDLE THE SEGMENT OF WATER THAT WE ARE, WE ARE SEGREGATING INTO 3, 4, 4 DIFFERENT AREAS.
UH, WE DO THAT IN ORDER TO SPREAD THE, THE WATER INTO THE GROUND IN A DISTRIBUTIVE FASHION.
AND NOT SURCHARGE ONE AREA OR ANOTHER, UH, HAS BEEN DESIGNED, UH, SO THAT IT'S OVER A HUNDRED TO 150% ABOVE THE REQUIRED DRAINAGE VOLUME.
SO WE'RE MORE THAN SAFE IN TERMS OF THAT.
AND THE OVERFLOWS, UH, IF THERE'S ANY, IF WE HAVE A 200 YEAR STORM, IT WILL OVERFLOW DOWN TO WHERE THE WATER IS GOING NOW ANYWAY.
UM, IT IS DESIGNED WITH PODS AND THAT ARE PROBABLY TWICE THE NUMBER OF PODS THAT YOUR HOUSE WAS DESIGNED WITH.
'CAUSE I DESIGNED YOUR HOUSE AND ALL THE HOUSES THERE.
THE, UM, THE PERK RATES ARE THE SAME AS IN YOUR LOT, THE SAME AS IN THE LOT NEXT TO YOU.
SO IN COMPARISON TO WHAT YOU HAVE, AND YOU
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HAVE TO MAINTAIN, UH, YOU HAVE FIVE, SIX LOT, UH, CO UM, IF YOU COULD ADDRESS THE BOARD.UM, UM, IT JUST, I CAN'T HELP IT.
I WANT TO, I WANT HIM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS CONVERSATION INCLUDES HIM PRECISELY.
'CAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT'S MOSTLY IMP IMPACTED.
UH, BUT ANYWAY, I'M TRYING TO MAKE A COMPARISON OF HOW SUPERIOR THE VOLUMES THAT WE HAVE DESIGNED FOR ARE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT WE DID FIVE YEARS AGO.
IT'S A VERY GOOD PROCEDURE THAT WE'RE, UH, WE'RE BEING FORCED TO DO BY ENGINEERING.
IT'S A GOOD THING FOR EVERYBODY.
SO WE HAVE MORE THAN, UH, I WOULD SAY, IF I LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, I WOULD SAY 150, 175% OVER THE NUMBER THAT WERE REQUIRED BY LOW OF A HUNDRED YEAR STORM AND JUST 6.7 INCHES.
BY THE WAY, IN 24 HOURS, IT'S SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER.
SO THIS IS RATED FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.
DO YOU HAVE A WHAT, WHAT YEAR STORM? WELL, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S BETWEEN 150, 175% MORE.
IT'S NOT TWICE BECAUSE IT WASN'T REQUIRED.
BUT I ALWAYS OVERDESIGNED EVERY TIME I DESIGN THE SYSTEM, IT'S WAY OVER DESIGNED.
SO YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE MAKING ME DO MATH.
WELL, IF I NEED FOUR UNITS, 75 YEARS, SEVEN UNITS, LET'S JUST LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
SO EVERY FOUR IS REQUIRED FOUR UNITS OF CONTEXT.
AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IF THIS PLAN AS DESIGNED IS THE ONE THAT IS ADOPTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, ULTIMATELY THEN HE CAN'T, AT THE TIME OF A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT SUBMISSION TO THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, YOU KNOW, BACKTRACK TO A 25 YEAR STORM AND SAY, OH NO, THIS IS IT.
SO, UH, MR. ESCADA, IF YOU JUST CLARIFY, IS IT 150 YEAR STORM OR THREE? NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M SAYING, LIKE I SAID TO THE CHAIRMAN, IF, IF I NEEDED TO HAVE MATHEMATICALLY FOUR CALTECH UNITS, WHEN YOU ACCOUNT FOR THE VOLUME OF THE GRAVEL, THE VOLUME OF THE UNITS, WHICH IS 76.3 CUBIC FEET, UM, YEAH.
UH, THEN INSTEAD OF USING FOUR, I USE SEVEN.
I USE SEVEN INSTEAD OF, IN OTHER WORDS, INSTEAD OF FOUR WHEELS IN THE CAR, I USE SEVEN WHEELS IN THE CAR.
THE VOLUME THAT I'M PROVIDING IS BIGGER THAN THE VOLUME I NEED TO HOLD ONTO.
SO IS THAT 175 YEAR STORM? IF IT'S NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REQUIREMENT FOR A 100 YEAR STORM, INSTEAD OF USING FOUR, I MAKE BELIEVE IT'S MORE.
SO IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE DESIGNING FOR AN EIGHT POINT SOMETHING INCH SYSTEM RATHER THAN A 6.7.
WOULD WOULD WE BE ABLE TO HAVE MAYBE THE TOWN ENGINEER WEIGH IN ON, WELL, THIS WAS DESIGNED BY THEM.
THEY, THEY, THIS WAS CHECKED BY THEM.
THIS WAS NOT, UH, SO WE HAVE THE TOWN ENGINEER WEIGH IN ON WHAT YOUR STORM, THIS, THIS WILL, SO WHATEVER.
SO GENERALLY WE EQUATE IT TO A 50 YEAR STORY.
LEMME UNDERSTAND SOMETHING YOU'RE ASKING ME THAT I NEED TO DESIGN FOR.
WHAT TYPE OF STORM, SO THAT I KNOW ARE, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT I HAVE TO DESIGN FOR NO, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE STORM EVENT THAT IT CAN, THAT IT CAN HANDLE FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO GENERALLY, LIKE WE SAID, YOU KNOW, 25 IS REQUIRED.
UM, YOU'VE GRACIOUSLY DESIGNED FOR A HUNDRED QUITE OFTEN WITH YOUR PROJECTS.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE CALCULATING.
I DON'T THINK OTHERS ARE FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE CALCULATING.
THAT'S WHY I REQUEST THAT YOU SIMPLIFY IT FOR US LAYPERSONS WHO ARE NOT ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS, UH, IS IT 150 YEAR STORM EVENT THAT IT CAN HANDLE? IS IT A 200 YEAR STORM EVENT? IF YOU COULD DO THAT FOR US, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO, AND, AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOU GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CODE.
WE, WE JUST WANNA, I THOUGHT SO.
I THOUGHT YOU'D BE HAPPY WITH THAT.
YEAH, NO, WE'RE, WE'RE GRATEFUL.
YOU'RE GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CODE.
WE JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT SPECIFICALLY, SPECIFICALLY WHAT, WHAT THIS WILL BE RATED FOR.
HOW MANY TICS DO YOU HAVE? UM, PROBABLY, UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH THIS.
WE WENT THROUGH THE ENGINEERING.
I WASN'T, LEMME GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE I, I CAN LOOK AT THIS.
SO THIS, THIS, UH, UP ON THE SCREEN I HAVE THE RED CIRCLED AREAS.
UH, THIS ONE ON THE LOWER IS SIX, SIX UNITS AS WE JUST PAN STRAIGHT UP TO THE BACK.
THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL SIX UNITS.
AND THEN IF WE PAN TO THE RIGHT, IT'S THREE UNITS AND THEN DOWN TO THE RIGHT THREE.
NORMALLY UNITS LIKE THIS SIZE, IF YOU, IF YOU USE 6, 7, 8 IS TOO MUCH.
SO THAT GIVES YOU THE, OR IT'S OVERDESIGNED THE PROPORTION OF HOW MUCH WE HAVE OVER DESIGNED IT.
I'M THE ONE THAT HAS TO LIVE WITH THE RESULTS.
EVERYONE, EVERY VILLAGE IS THE SAME.
EVERYONE IS UP UPGRADING THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE'RE ALL ATTENTIVE TO THAT.
AND IN THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE, UH, WE HAVE THE ROOM.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM AND THE SITE TO BE ABLE TO BE THIS GRACIOUS IN TERMS OF THE, THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
ARE ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD?
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I, I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE OTHER RESIDENT TO SPEAK IF YOU WANNA APPROACH THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR, UH, YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.WE LIVE AT 19 WHINING ROAD FARM.
SO WE'RE THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEHIND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, SO, UM, WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR 30 PLUS YEARS NOW.
SO WE'VE SEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT IN ITS FITS AND SPURTS AND STARTS AND STOPS.
UM, SO A COUPLE, UH, I ECHO A LOT OF AARON'S, UH, SAME CONCERNS WITH, UM, UH, KIND OF THE SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER KIND OF APPROACH THAT WE'VE SEEN, UM, SO FAR WITH THE, WITH THE PROJECT.
AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE RIGHT CHECKS AND BALANCES ARE PUT IN PLACE TO ASSURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS, IS DONE PROPERLY.
UM, LIKE EMILIO HAS SAID, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OTHER LARGE HOMES THAT WERE BUILT ACROSS FROM THE PROPOSED NEW HOME.
UH, ONE OF THOSE WAS OVER SURFACED BY OVER 25% AFTER IT WAS BUILT.
UM, AND AT THAT POINT IT'S KIND OF A SHOULDER SHRUG.
WHAT DO WE DO NOW? UM, SO WE WANT SOME ASSURANCE THAT THE SAME KIND OF, UM, OVERSIGHT ISN'T SEEN HERE.
UM, THE SWALE THAT'S REFERRED TO AS THE CHUTE WHERE THE WATER IS GONNA GO DOWN IS GONNA ALL GO DOWN ONTO THE PRIVATE ROAD.
UM, THERE'S, EXCUSE ME, 13 HOMES THAT HAVE THE ONLY ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY FROM THIS.
IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S ABOUT A LANE AND A HALF WIDE, UH, ROAD.
SO, UM, IT WOULD DRAIN ONTO OUR PROPERTY OR ONTO THE ROAD.
SO, UM, WE WANNA MAKE CERTAIN THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT'S GONNA, UM, DAMAGE THE ROAD OR PREVENT, UM, TRAVEL UP AND DOWN FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, UH, OR JUST REGULAR, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC.
UM, I THINK THE TREES HAVE BEEN PROBABLY ADDRESSED WITH IT.
IT DIDN'T USED TO BE JUST FOUR TREES ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY.
IT USED TO BE COMPLETELY WOODED, UM, WHEN THE DEVELOPER WAS YEARS AGO.
UM, SO THEY WERE A NATURAL STRAW THAT SUCKED UP A LOT OF THE, UM, A LOT OF THE MOISTURE THAT, THAT FALLS ON THAT, UM, PITCH.
SO, UM, AND THEN JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAD.
WHAT, UM, THE DEFINITION OF HEIGHT, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE OR WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE POINT FOR GRADE MEASUREMENT TO THE TOTAL TOP OF THE BUILDING AND WHAT, WHAT ARE THE REGS ON THAT? 30 FEET AND MEASURED FROM WHERE? FROM THE AVERAGE GRADE.
FROM THE AVERAGE GRADE, CORRECT.
AND IS AVERAGE GRADE SHOWN ON HERE? YES.
THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ASKED IN THE PROCESS OF THIS REVIEW.
AND ON THESE PAGES, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY SUBMITTED.
CAN YOU SHOW WHERE THAT IS? WELL, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS IT MEETS LESS THAN 30.
BUT THAT'S, YOU CAN REVIEW THAT.
THE, THE, THE ANSWER ON THE SURFACE AREA ON THE OTHER HOME WAS THAT IT MET THAT TOO.
SO I WAS JUST, JUST CHECK SOME, CHECK SOME BALANCE, IF YOU CAN CERTAINLY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY WITH OR, UH, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
WE DON'T HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OKAY.
BUT THEY HAVE CERTAINLY REVIEWED THESE PLANS.
I JUST, IT WAS JUST A MORE OF A, WHERE'S THE REFERENCE POINT, SO RIGHT.
I I WOULD RATHER YOU SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THEM.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE OFFICE THAT REVIEWS THAT SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT.
UM, BUT YOU'RE FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME AND I CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH THEM IF YOU'D LIKE.
AND, AND JUST TO SAY FOR THE RECORD AGAIN, UM, THE, THE PLANS AT AT LEAST AS REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REQUIRES NO VARIANCES CORRECT.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILT TO CODE.
IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, IN TERMS OF ALL THAT.
WE HAVE HAD SOME OTHER PROJECTS IN THE AREA THAT HAVE HAD STOP WORK ORDERS, UM, FOR OUTSIDE FILL BEING BROUGHT IN.
YOU PROBABLY ARE AWARE OF THAT.
SO, UM, THE ISSUE OF FILL DRAINAGE AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THAT'S ALL, UM, GONNA STAY IN PLACE IS CERTAINLY A CONCERN FOR ALL OF US AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING US AND UNDERSTOOD.
WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE TO, UM, EXCAVATE ROCK, DO WE HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR ROCK? THERE'S A ROCK CHIPPING YEAH.
AND WHEN WE CHIP, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE SENSORS? UH, SO YOU HAVE TO DO A SEISMIC REFRACTION SURVEY.
AND THAT'S REQUIRED UNDER, 'CAUSE I HEARD, I HEARD CHIPPING IN MR. PETERSON'S BACKYARD THIS AFTER THIS SUMMER.
I DON'T KNOW IF I DIDN'T SEE ANY SENSORS.
I JUST, I JUST WANNA PROVE A POINT HERE.
SENSORS IS ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED OF US.
SOMETIMES I'M NOT BEING ADHERED BY OUR NEIGHBORS.
WE DIDN'T WANNA, THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS APPLICATION.
SO YEAH, WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO ACTUALLY IS THE COMMENT ABOUT, UM, THE SWELL RUNNING DOWN TOWARDS WINDING ROAD.
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LIKE, LIKE OUR NEIGHBOR SAID, THE, THE CONCERN IS A TRUE CONCERN.SO WOULD I THE, BUT THINK OF IT THIS WAY.
IF THERE WAS NO HOUSE EVER BUILT THERE, NONE, ZERO, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WOULD GO DOWN TO HIS SMALL ROAD THAT HE'S DESCRIBING WOULD BE GREATER THAN THE, THAN THE WATER THAT IS NOW LEAVING OUR SITE AND GOING TO THAT SMALL HOUSE.
WHY? BECAUSE ALL OF THE AREA THAT IS COVERED BY THE ROADS, BY THE HOUSE THAT WE'RE BUILDING WOULD BE INTERCEPTED, COLLECTED, AND DRIVEN INTO THE GROUND.
SO BY DEFINITION, THE AMOUNT OF WATER EMANATING FROM THIS SITE WILL BE LESS THAN THE WATER THAT'S EMANATING RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, THAT'S IT, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF VOLUME.
THERE WILL BE LESS VOLUME LEAVING THE SITE THAN THERE IS RIGHT NOW DURING THE SAME STORM EVENT BECAUSE EVERY TIME THAT WE COVER A SQUARE FOOT OF THIS GROUND IS BEING PICKED UP AND PUT IN INTO THE GROUND.
AND, AND WOULD IT BE ACCURATE THAT THE TREES ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE WOULD FUNCTION TO OH, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION AND THE, THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT IN THAT PROGRAM, THAT YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD PROGRAM WHEREBY EACH TREE AND SPECIES WILL BE GRANTED A VOLUME OF STONEWATER, UH, ABSORPTION AND, UH, CO2, UH, ENTRAPMENT.
SO LIKE I SAID, WITH, WITH THE 100 TREES THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN HERE, UH, IT WILL BE FAR, FAR BETTER THAN THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE EVEN BEFORE WHEN THE SUBDIVISION STARTED.
UM, I DO REMEMBER IT WAS QUITE, UH, POPULATED WITH TREES.
I REMEMBER WALKING RIGHT THROUGH THERE.
UM, BUT DURING THE, WE, WE HAVE, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY EASEMENTS, UH, IN ORDER FOR THAT TO WORK PROPERLY.
UH, AND BY THE WAY, THESE ARE EASEMENTS THAT HAVE BENEFITED A LOT OF THE HOMES IN THE AREA.
THAT ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION BROUGHT A SEWER THAT ALLOWED ALL THE NEIGHBORS AND THE BOARD DOESN'T KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT, ALL THE NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT TO THE SEWER THAT WE PAID FOR, THAT WE BUILT MR. KENNEDY AND MYSELF AND FATHER'S, UH, KENNEDY'S FATHER, WHO WALKED THE ENTIRE PARCEL WITH ME AND, AND KNOCKED ON EVERYBODY'S DOOR SAYING WE CAN CONNECT YOU TO A SEWER.
SO I WOULD SAY SIX TO EIGHT HOUSES THAT WERE ON SEPTICS ARE NOW FLOWING INTO A SEWER.
UH, AND OF COURSE IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THE PERIMETER, WE, WE, WE, WE HAVE INCREASED THE WATER, UH, VOLUME WITH A NEW WATER PIPE.
SO THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION WAS BENEFICIAL TO THE, ALL THE NEIGHBORS, UH, MR. PETERSON, ONE OF THEM, UM, MR. PETERSON HAD AN ILLEGAL SEPTIC SYSTEM, UH, WORKING IN HIS BACKYARD.
AND WE ALLOWED, WE ALLOWED HIM TO CONNECT TO OUR SERVICE.
BUT I, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
I WANT HIM TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE WERE BENEFICIAL.
AND WE FEEL THAT WAY STILL WHENEVER WE BUILD.
AND IT'S ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT I'LL BE BRINGING TO YOU SOON, UH, WHERE WHEREBY IF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, UH, AGREE, WE CAN NOW PUT IN A LOW PRESSURE SEWER AND WE WILL RELIEVE FIVE OR SIX HOUSES OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE WITH SEPTIC.
SO DEVELOPMENT, MY POINT, GENTLEMEN AND LADIES, IS THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE INTELLIGENTLY DONE.
AND YOU AS A BOARD HAVE LEARNED THAT ALREADY.
IF NOT, YOU'VE SEEN THAT THE BENEFITS, LIKE WHEN, WHEN I SAY TO YOU, I'M BUILDING THIS HOUSE AND I'M CAPTURING ALL THE WATER THAT IS INTERCEPTED BY THE AREA OF THE HOUSE AND THE DRIVEWAY, IT'S A POSITIVE THING.
SO YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT SOMEWHERE IN YOUR HEAD.
BECAUSE LESS WATER WOULD BE GOING INTO THE LOWER STREET.
A NEW, A NEW SEW IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE IT WILL HELP ALL THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE SURROUNDED BY SEPTIC WASTE, UH, UH, AND HAVE NO SOLUTION BECAUSE THESE, THESE HOUSES HAVE NO SOLUTION OTHER THAN TO CONNECT TO A SEWER.
THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS VERY DIRECTLY.
AND SO I, I, I'M CONNECTED TO IT BECAUSE I WAS THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION CREATOR.
I BUILT ALL THOSE HOUSES AND I CAN, AND I FEEL RESPONSIBLE AS YOU HAVE TO BE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE BOARD AND TO GUARANTEE TO YOU THAT THIS IS A GOOD THING AND IT CONTINUES TO BE A GOOD THING.
UH, THIS HOUSE WILL FIT IN THE AREA.
IT WILL BE A GOOD NEIGHBORS TO THE EXISTING HOUSES AND IT WILL BENEFIT THE DRAINAGE, UH, AND THE QUALITY WITH THE TREES AND THE, AND THE WHOLE, UH, UH, BEAUTY OF HAVING A NEW HOUSE IN A PLACE THAT'S ALREADY UNDEVELOPED.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IN ANY PROCESS, CREDIBILITY IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, COMMUNICATING WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
OVER PROMISING AND UNDER DELIVERING.
HYPOTHETICALLY WHERE YOU SAID YOU WERE GONNA GET 'EM THE PLANS, BUT YOU DIDN'T GET 'EM THE PLANS.
AM I CORRECT? MY CLIENT? NOT WITH A NEIGHBOR.
I'M INFORMATION TO A NEIGHBOR THAT I DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO GIVE.
SPEAKING ONE PERSON AT A TIME.
I'M BEING TOLD THAT I HAVE TO SHARE WHAT IS PRIVATE INFORMATION.
I DON'T HAVE TO, I NO, BUT YOU OFFERED TO SHARE.
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I DID.MR. ESCAL, IF YOU'D WAIT UNTIL THE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED, WE HAVE A COURT REPORTER HERE TO TAKE DOWN THE QUESTIONS.
I NEED YOU TO WAIT UNTIL HE IS FINISHED ASKING THE QUESTIONS.
PERHAPS I MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS YOU PROMISED A NEIGHBOR THAT YOU WOULD SHARE THE PLANS BEFORE YOU WERE AUTHORIZED BY YOUR CLIENT TO DO SO.
I CANNOT GIVE ANY INFORMATION TO ANYBODY.
I ASKED YOU, LEMME LET ME ANSWER.
I I DIDN'T FINISH THE INFORMATION THAT HE WANTED BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THE HOUSE FULLY DESIGNED.
SO WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY? SOMETHING THAT IS INCORRECT.
DID YOU TELL, SAY IT AGAIN? DID YOU TELL HIM THAT? WELL, I SAID WHEN I, WHEN I, WHEN I CAN, UH, I WILL.
I THAT'S, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE CORRECTED HERE BY PERFORMANCE.
I AM TELLING YOU AS A PROFESSIONAL WHAT MY DUTIES ARE.
IF YOU WANT TO CASTIGATE ME HERE BECAUSE HE SAID HE DIDN'T SHOW ME THE GOODS, THAT'S FINE.
BUT THAT MAKES NO SENSE IN THIS APPLICATION PROCESS.
AND, UH, NO, I WAS JUST CONCERNED.
I I'M, I'M BEING VERY CLEAR WITH YOU.
I, I, I, WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A TEACHING.
AL HERE HAS TO TAKE DOWN THE RECORD OF EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID.
OTHERWISE WE'LL HAVE THE SECURITY GUARD COME IN AND POINT BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU TO SPEAK ONE AT A TIME.
SO I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD ALL GIVE EACH OTHER RESPECT AND LET ONE SPEAK AT A TIME.
I'M SAYING TO YOU THAT, UH, WHAT I TOLD HIM WAS THE TRUTH AND WHAT I COULD GIVE TO HIM.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I SHOULD SAY.
AND I DON'T WANT YOU TO TELL ME THAT I DIDN'T DO SOMETHING RIGHT, TY.
THAT'S WHY I ANSWERED YOU THE WAY I ANSWERED.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE SPOKEN TO LIKE A LITTLE TEACHER TALKING TO A CHILD.
I'M SORRY THAT YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, BUT I WOULDN'T DO IT ANY DIFFERENTLY.
I JUST HEARD WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID.
I HEARD WHAT HE SAID AND I ANSWERED IT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT ME TO SAY.
THERE'S NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR.
I, I DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU A APOLOGIZE, THEN THAT'S YOUR ANSWER.
I HEAR ABOUT THE TREES, I HEAR ABOUT THIS COMMUNICATION.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GOING FORWARD THERE IS, THERE ARE NO FURTHER OR ASSUME FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT THERE WERE ISSUES.
THAT COMMUNICATION WILL REMAIN OPEN.
AND THE WORK, I UNDERSTAND PROFESSIONAL, MY OFFICE WAS OPEN.
I SAID TO HIM, YOU CAN COME TO MY OFFICE ANYTIME.
IN FACT, I NEVER LOCKED THE DOOR IN MY OFFICE.
PEOPLE COME UP AND DOWN MY OFFICE.
IF HE WOULD'VE COME IN, I WOULD'VE SAID, HERE'S WHAT I HAVE.
SO, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T COME AND HE DIDN'T ASK ME, HE ONLY SENT ME ONE MESSAGE AND I SAID, WHEN I CAN DO IT, I WILL DO IT.
SO IT'S REALLY, I'M GONNA, I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, BUT LET ME JUMP IN FOR MY OFFICE.
LET ME, LET ME JUMP IN FOR A MOMENT.
SO I THINK MAYBE WE CAN CUT TO THE CHASE.
THE POINT BEING THAT IF COMMUNICATION CAN BE IMPROVED MOVING FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
IT WILL BE IMPROVED GOING FORWARD.
YOU, YOU MENTIONED YOU WERE THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVIDED? YES.
WHEN WAS THAT? UM, THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, SO THE ORIGINAL SUBDIVISION WAS FROM THE YEAR 2000.
UH, THAT WAS, YOU WERE IN GRADE SCHOOL?
I WAS MAYBE SO MUCH YOUNGER AND, UH, WELL, YOU NOT, THERE YOU GO.
YOU WERE, YOU WERE IN 10TH GRADE WHEN I DID THIS SUBDIVISION.
WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT IT WAS FROM 2000 AND THEN MR. KENNEDY BROUGHT IT FROM THE FORMER OWNER.
AND I THINK THE PROPERTY WAS CLEARED AROUND 2006, 2008.
'CAUSE THE ONE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TREES.
SO IT'S BEEN DENUDED AT LEAST THIS LOT YES.
AND THE UTILITIES AND ALL THE WORKS THAT HAD TO BE DONE HAD TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT EXCAVATION HAD NO, WE HAD TO DO IT.
AND, AND SO I GUESS WHAT, WHY UH, WHY DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO DEVELOP THIS LOT? WELL, THAT'S A QUESTION OF OF WE GOT HIT WITH, UH, I THINK THE FIRST, THE FIRST DELAY WAS THAT THE TOWN HAD A, UM, UM, RE REFRESH MY MEMORY WELL IS A WAY BACK.
THERE WAS A MORATORIUM, IT WAS A MORATORIUM FIRST.
THAT WAS DURING THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS, BUT THE SUBDIVISION'S BEEN APPROVED FOR PROBABLY 10, ABOUT 10 YEARS OR MORE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS LOT HAS TAKEN THAT LONG.
THIS LOT, THIS LOT WAS SOLD FOR A LOT OF MONEY AND, UH, NOT MANY PEOPLE CAME TO BUY IT.
BUT MR. ASH PROBABLY WAS WAITING FOR ME.
I DUNNO, IT WAS WAITING FOR HIM.
AND THAT'S, UH, UM, UM, MR. ASH BOUGHT THE FIRST LOT.
THEN HE BOUGHT THIS, THEY ACTUALLY BOUGHT THESE LOTS FROM MR. KENNEDY.
AND UH, THEN ASH HOUSE WAS BUILT.
THEN HIS, UH, BROTHER-IN-LAW WAS BUILT
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WITH THE POOL IN THE BACK.AND, UH, AND THEN NO, WE DID TWO, TWO HOUSES AT THE ENTRANCE ON THE LEFT.
AND THEN THAT FINANCED THE, UH, UM, THE REST OF THE SUBDIVISION, THE UTILITIES.
AND THEN MR. CINA PURCHASED TWO LOTS AND HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW, LOT NUMBER SEVEN.
IT TOOK EVERY BIT OF TWO YEARS.
AND THEN NOW WE HAVE THIS LAST CASTLE TO BUILD.
SO, UH, MY LAST POINT TO BE MADE IS JUST TO CORRECT THE RECORD THAT, UH, ACCORDING TO YOUR PLAN, THERE'S NOT 100 TREES TO BE PLANTED.
LIKE I SAID, I'M CUBAN PLUS SHRUBS.
CASTRO HAS STRUCK ME TO LIE FOR THE RECORD ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS.
A MINIMUM OF 34 TREES AND THEN VARIOUS SHRUBS.
HOW MANY TREES DID WE COUNT THE I DO PROBABLY MEET MORE.
ALL I'M SAYING, MY APOLOGIES, I I THOUGHT I DREW A HUNDRED.
WELL, WITH THE, WITH THE SHRUBS AND, AND UB FOUNDATION PLANTING GO, THE SHRUBS AND THE TREES ARE A HUNDRED.
I JUST WANTED THEIR, I WANT MORE.
I WANT AS MUCH AS I CAN PLANT.
WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT LANDSCAPE.
I HAD FIRST, FIRST DEPUTY ACCOUNT ATTORNEY BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS RESPONDED.
I'VE, UH, NOTED THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED AND THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED ABOUT THE MEASUREMENT AND THE ABILITY DEPARTMENT CONFIRMED THAT THE PLANS COMPLY WITH THE HEIGHT.
THAT HEIGHT IS 30, UH, YES, 30.
BUT THE WAY THAT IT IS MEASURED IS FROM HALF THE PITCH OF THE ROOF LINE TO THE AVERAGE GRADE.
AND THAT WHEN PLANS ARE SUBMITTED, THEY WILL REQUIRE CERTIFICATION OF THE HEIGHT.
AND WHEN THE SUPERSTRUCTURE IS FRAMED, THE CONSTRUCTION IS OUT OF GRADE.
SO JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, AND FOR THE RECORD, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WAS VERY, VERY, UM, DEMANDING.
UH, IT WAS THE FIRST, THAT'S WHY I TOLD YOU, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT A BUILDING DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY ASKED TO GET A COPY OF THE PLANS.
BUT EVERYTHING IS CHANGING IN THE TOWN.
THAT'S WHY I TELL THE BOARD, YOU'RE VERY PROTECTED BY THE REVIEW PROCESS.
THEY'RE ALL VERY, UH, VERY HARSH AND VERY DIRECT IN, IN THEIR COMMENTS.
THEY WON'T LET US GO FORWARD UNTIL WE COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING.
WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL AGREE THAT, THAT WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UM, YOURS HAS NOT AN EASY TASK.
YOU HAVE TO PUT UP WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME, BUT
UH, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND KEEP THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH MARCH 11TH.
OH, IF I MAY, I, I THOUGHT THAT THE PART OF THE HEARING WAS YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE MIC.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AGAIN.
UM, I THOUGHT THAT AT ISSUE, THIS HEARING WAS, UM, CERTAIN, UM, PARTS OF THE LAND THAT WERE GONNA HAVE MORE EXTREME SLOPE.
AND I, AS THE PERSON NEXT DOOR, DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE PARTS ARE.
COULD THOSE BE IDENTIFIED? SURE.
SO I CAN UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S GONNA BE A RETAINING WALL AND WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE.
SO, I'LL, I'LL, WITH, I'LL, I, I WON'T ENTERTAIN MR. PILLINGER.
UM, SO I'LL LET MR. ESDA SPEAK TO IT BECAUSE HE'S THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE.
BUT THE BLACK AREAS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, SHADED IN THIS PLAN ARE AREAS OF WHAT TRIGGERED THE NEED FOR THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, UH, UNDER THE TOWN CODE.
SO THAT IT RUNS ACROSS THE FRONT FROM, YOU KNOW, THE BOUNDARY OF YOUR PROPERTY ACROSS THE FRONTAGE IN ORDER TO BUILD THE HOME.
AND WITH THE DRIVEWAY AND EVERYTHING, IT CROSSES THROUGH THIS AREA OF STEEP SLOPE.
THERE'S A SMALL AREA IN THE BACK TOWARDS WINDING ROAD.
UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT IF THESE SLOPES DIDN'T EXIST ON THE PROPERTY, OR THE APPLICANT WASN'T PROPOSING OR DIDN'T NEED TO DISTURB THEM IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT, IT WOULD'VE JUST ADVANCED TO A BUILDING PERMIT AND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO NEED OR REQUIREMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE TO BUILD A HOUSE BEYOND THE BLACK AREA THERE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS MEETING.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE PLEASURE OF BEING HERE.
ALSO, ALSO, IF YOU CONTINUE THAT RED, THAT BLACK, UH, AREA TOWARDS YOUR LEFT, IT WILL GO RIGHT THROUGH YOUR HOUSE.
SO IF WE WERE BUILDING YOUR HOUSE, YOU WOULD BE THE APPLICANT AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR THE SAME PERMISSION THAT WE'RE ASKING NOW.
SO YOU ARE, WHEN YOUR HOUSE IS BUILT, ALL THE OTHER HOUSES HAD THE SAME, IF NOT WORST, THERE WAS A WORST SLOPE IN YOUR PROPERTY.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THE HOUSE THAT WE DID FOR HIM, THE WALKOUT BASEMENT, EVERYTHING WORKED OUT.
AND THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME PATTERN THAT WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW HERE.
IT, IT IS A SIMILAR GRADE TO WHAT YOUR PROPERTY WAS GRADED PRIOR TO BEING DEVELOPED.
SO, AS I RECALL, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME AS WELL.
UM, MY QUESTION FOR MR. ESCALADES, ARE YOU CREATING ANY AREAS THAT WOULD QUALIFY AS REGULATED
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STEEP SLOPES, OR IS THE GRADE GONNA BE FAIRLY IRREGULAR? NO, WE'RE WORKING WITH WHAT WE HAVE.AND IF ANYTHING, WE'LL, THE, THE FINAL GRADING WILL BE WE, WE, YOU WON'T SEE ANY SEVERE GRADING ANYWHERE.
IT'S JUST VERY SMOOTH ON THE SIDES.
AND WE, THE WHOLE LOT IS REALLY FLAT.
IT'S AFTER, AFTER THAT FIRST 30 FEET IN THE FRONT THAT, THAT BLACK AREA, EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST FLAT.
AND TO THIS GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY, YOU'RE NOT PITCHING THE GRADE TOWARDS HIS PROPERTY? NO, NO.
THE, THE PITCH OF THE GRADE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE CONSEQUENCE, IS BACK TO THE CORNER.
SO IT BYPASSES ANY DIRECTION TOWARDS HIM.
SO THE, AND THE SWALE, WHICH WE DISCUSSED BEFORE, IS THE PROTECTIVE MECHANISM FOR ANY WATER THAT IS EITHER NOW FALLING ON THE SURFACE THAT'S NOT BEING COLLECTED OR FALLING IN THE GROUND IN THE FUTURE.
SO YOU'RE PROTECTED BY THE SWALE AND YOU'RE PROTECTED BY THE FACT THAT ANY WATER THAT FALLS ON ANY OF OUR SURFACES IS ACTUALLY BEING PICKED UP AND NOT BEING ALLOWED TO GO DOWN TO THE BACK.
WE'RE, WE'RE DIRECTING IT INTO THE SUBSURFACE SYSTEMS. SO YOU WON'T SEE, YOU WILL SEE LESS WATER AND THE RETAINING WALL.
YEAH, THE, THE RETAIN, THE RETAINING WALL, THE RE THE RETAINING WALL WILL BE IN THE GARAGE ITSELF.
THE, THE RETAINING WALL ON THE RIGHT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU BECAUSE THAT'S JUST TO SEPARATE THE HEIGHT PLATEAU FROM THE GARDEN IN THE FRONT TO THE REAR.
BUT THE, YOU SEE THE CONTOUR LINES, HOW THEY HIT THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S NO RETAINING WALL THERE.
THE WALL OF THE GARAGE IS THE WALL THAT HOLDS THE GRADE FROM COLLAPSING INTO THE VOID.
SO THERE IS NO RETAINING WALL.
YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE NO OBJECT BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY LINE AND THE HOUSE.
YOU SIMPLY WILL HAVE THE SWALE AND YOU WILL HAVE THEN THE HOUSE.
THERE WILL BE NO WALL EXCAVATED, UH, NEAR YOUR PROPERTY LINE ZERO, EVERYTHING.
NO, YOU WILL NOT SEE MACHINES WITHIN, UH, 12 FEET OF YOUR PROPERTY LINE.
THE HOLE IS RIGHT WHERE THAT STRAIGHT LINE IS.
THE REST IS JUST CONTOURS THAT WILL BE GRADED UP AGAINST THE WALL.
THERE IS NO DIGGING NEAR YOUR HOUSE WHATSOEVER.
THE CLOSEST WILL BE, UM, 15 FEET, 15 FEET FROM YOUR HOUSE IS WHERE THE HOLE WILL BE DONE.
AND THOSE CURVED LINES ARE SIMPLY THE, THE ATTACHMENT OF THE EXISTING GRADING TO THE FUTURE WALL THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.
AND THAT GUARANTEES THE FLOW ONTO THE SWALE.
AND THAT'S THE VERY STEEP, IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA ASK THE QUESTIONS.
IF YOU ASK THE QUESTION INTO THE MICROPHONE, OR MAYBE TERRANCE CAN GET A GETTO.
THE THE REASON WHY, YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE YOU COME UP TO THE MIC.
BUT, UM, THE REASON WHY THEY'RE HERE IS BECAUSE THEY'RE DISTURBING EXISTING STEEP SLOPES.
AND AND THAT WAS THAT BAND THAT WE SHOWED ACROSS.
WELL, ONCE YOU COME TO THE BOARD FOR A SPECIFIC PERMIT, IF THERE ARE TREES TO BE REMOVED IN CONNECTION, THEN THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY BECOMES THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU HAVE MY NUMBER AND I, I SAID TO YOU PUBLICLY THREE TIMES, YOU CAN COME TO MY OFFICE ANYTIME.
YOU'RE A YOUNG MAN, YOU HAVE A YOUNG FAMILY.
YOU RIGHT TO CONCERN YOURSELVES.
BUT I'M TELLING YOU, MAN TO MAN, FACE TO FACE, YOU DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
AND THIS, THIS HOLY MAN OVER HERE WILL PROTECT YOU.
UH, HE IS A REALLY NICE NEIGHBOR.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW NICE HE IS.
HE'S BLESSED THAT YOU ARE THERE TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING.
AND YOU VERY LUCKY TO HAVE HIM.
HE WILL HELP YOU BEFORE HE HELPS HIMSELF.
I'VE WITNESSED THAT WHERE I, BUT, BUT THE FACT'S.
A THAT THE DRAWINGS AND THE UH, UH, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT, ANYTHING YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT YOU TO COME TO MY OFFICE.
I WILL SHOW YOU, YOU KNOW, SEE HOW I AM.
THERE'S NOTHING, I DON'T HIDE A THING.
AND I WANT YOU, I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE UPSET AT ME OR THE BOARD UPSET AT ME.
I HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD MANY TIMES AGAIN, I HAVE TO TELL THEM THE TRUTH AND THEY WILL SEE THAT WHAT I SAY IS WHAT HAPPENED.
THIS IS MY, I'VE DONE THIS FOR 47 YEARS.
THAT'S WHY I TAKE THE LIBERTIES I TAKE WITH YOU, BECAUSE I DO CARE ABOUT THE TOWN I'VE LIVED HERE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST PART OF MY, MY LIFESTYLE.
AND I, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE.
CERTAINLY, I, I HATE TO BE CONDEMNED THAT YOU'RE NOT COMMUNICATING ON THE CONTRARY.
I TEACH, I'VE BEEN TEACHING FOR, FOR 40 YEARS, AND I, I WANT, I, I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
WHATEVER YOU NEED, WHATEVER THE MR. PETERSON'S HOUSE, I'VE, I'VE GONE TO MR. MR MR. AND MRS. PETERSON'S HOUSE AND ADVISED THEM ON THE SUBDIVISION.
I KNOW THAT THEY WERE BUILDING A POOL.
BUT, UM, ARE THERE, ARE THERE, YOU'RE FREE TO TALK AFTER THE MEETING.
WELL, I WANT THE BOARD TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH ME.
THEY HAVE TO TRUST ME WHEN I SAY SOMETHING AND I HAVE TO TRUST THEM WHEN THEY HAVE A DOUBT.
I WANT TO COMMUNICATE TO THEM IF, AND IF THEY SAY SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T KNOW.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC? NO.
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A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH MARCH 11TH.NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TEA.
UH, SINCE THERE ARE NO ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARINGS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION.
UM, HOW ARE WE FEELING? DO WE WANNA HAVE A QUICK BREAK OR JUMP? FIVE MINUTES? YEAH.
LET'S HAVE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK TO EIGHT 15.
UH, THIS IS THE MARCH 4TH, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, WE ARE INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS WORK SESSION.
WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 34, JEN KOREAN BARBECUE AT 3 55 CENTRAL PARK AVENUE NORTH IN HARTSDALE.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT AND A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
HI, THIS IS MARK NEWMAN WITH BRICKS MOORE PROPERTY GROUP.
I WAS HERE TWO WEEKS AGO, UH, PRESENTING THIS APPLICATION.
UM, I HAVE WITH ME COLETTE DELORO, WHO IS OUR ENGINEER FROM LANDON ENGINEERING.
AND I HAVE JOHN MCKAY FROM JEN KOREAN BARBECUE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, SORT OF A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE PRESENTED BEFORE, BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, WE OWN DALEWOOD SHOPPING CENTER, DALEWOOD ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR DALEWOOD ONE, DALEWOOD ONE.
WE HAVE A VACANCY ON THE END CAP.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, 10,750 SQUARE FEET HAS BEEN VACANT FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS.
WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DEALS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON THAT FELL THROUGH.
UH, WE WORKED OUT A DEAL WITH JEN KOREAN BARBECUE, WHICH IS A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY AND A CHAIN.
UM, AND, UM, WE SIGNED A LEASE WITH THEM.
I WANNA SAY IT'S ALMOST BEEN A YEAR ALREADY.
UM, NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, IT WAS SIGNED IN THE SUMMER.
AND, UM, WE PRESENTED AN APPLICATION TO THE, UM, PLANNING BOARD, UM, IN OCTOBER.
AND, UH, HERE WE ARE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE APPLICATION.
ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I'M GONNA HAND IT OFF TO COLETTE AND COLETTE'S GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE QUESTIONS OR THE, WERE YOU KNOW, THE REQUESTS THAT YOU HAD LAST TIME AND HOW WE RESPONDED TO THEM.
UH, LAURA, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AT LANG, UH, SITE CIVIL ENGINEER.
SO AS PART OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, FROM THE LAST WORK SESSION, UH, WE HAVE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR PLAN.
SO WE ARE NOW SHOWING THE TWO EXISTING BUS STOPS THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THE PROPERTY.
AND IN RED WE ARE SHOWING THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY FROM THE BUS STOP TO THE NEW RESTAURANT SPACE.
IN ADDITION, WE HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT SOME TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, UM, AND TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
UH, SO WE HAVE INCLUDED A NEW STOP BAR AT THIS INTERSECTION HERE.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE NOW REMOVED THIS PEDESTRIAN RAMP THAT SEEMS TO LEAD TO NOWHERE, UH, SO NOW PREVENTING PEDESTRIANS FROM, UH, USING A UNMARKED CROSSING AREA.
IN ADDITION, THERE WERE CONCERNS RELATED TO THE ADJACENT SHOPPING CENTER AND WHETHER, UH, PATRONS WOULD BE PARKING THERE.
SO WE HAVE CALLED OUT A SIGN THAT IS ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, AS WELL AS A NEW SIGN, UH, THAT WE WILL POST INDICATING, UH, THAT THERE IS NO PARKING FOR DEAL WITH CUSTOMERS.
PAST, UH, THIS POINT HERE, UH, WE HAVE ALSO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE, UM, COMMENTS THAT WERE PROVIDED RELATED TO, UH, ACCESSIBLE PARKING STALLS.
SO WE HAVE ADDED, UM, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE PARKING STALLS PROVIDED, UH, IN THE EXISTING PARKING LOT, WE HAVE ADDED ONE, UM, ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE NEW RESTAURANT SPACE, ALONG WITH A NEW ACCESSIBLE CURB RAMP.
UM, WE HAVE ALSO, UH, CONSIDERED, UM, A, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENTS ABOUT REFUGE.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING A NEW REFUSE COLLECTION AREA, UM, FOR ACTUALLY PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE CENTER OTHER THAN THE H MART, UM, TO PROVIDE A ENCLOSED, UM, TRASH AREA WITH SECURE BINS TO, UH, PREVENT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME RANDOM BINS THAT ARE AROUND THAT CAN BE SEEN NOW.
SO JUST TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
UH, BESIDES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE PERFORMED A PARKING STUDY AND CONCLUDED THAT THERE IS
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ENOUGH PARKING SPACES ON SITE.SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PEAK PARKING, WHICH WAS A FRIDAY NIGHT, 151 STALLS WERE OCCUPIED, UH, WITH THE 143 PARKING STALLS THAT ARE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE ZONING FOR THE NEW RESTAURANT.
WE HAVE A EXCESS OF 20 PARKING SPACES.
AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE TRUCK TURNING MANEUVERS FOR THE LOADING DOCK AND DO HAVE TO OMIT THESE PARKING STALLS IN THE BACK, UH, THAT ARE CURRENTLY NOT PRESENT AS WE'VE, UH, DETERMINED THAT THEY ARE TO FACILITATE TRUCK TURNING MANEUVERS INTO THE LOADING BAY.
UH, SO EVEN WITH THOSE, WE STILL HAVE AN EXCESS OF ABOUT 20 PARKING SPACES.
WE WILL ALSO LOOK TO RELOCATE THIS, UH, POT, THIS ENCLOSED TRANSFORMER PAD LOCATION TO THE REAR TO ADD THREE MORE PARKING STALLS HERE.
SO THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THE, UH, THE REVISIONS WE HAVE MADE TO, YOU KNOW, IN RESPONSE TO THE PLANNING BOARD'S.
I THINK DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SMITH.
SO JUST FOR THE BOARD'S ATTENTION, AND THIS WAS CIRCULATED TO THE APPLICANT SINCE THE LAST MEETING WHERE THIS PROJECT WAS DISCUSSED, WE RECEIVED A REVISED, UH, REVIEW MEMORANDUM AND RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE DATED MARCH 3RD, 2026.
SO THAT WAS CIRCULATED BY EMAIL.
UM, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE HARD COPIES TO ANYONE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THAT.
BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IDENTIFIED AS, UH, MR. LORO INDICATED THOSE SPACES TO THE REAR OF THE SITE, UH, ARE WITHIN THE TRAVEL LANE FOR THE TURNING RADIUS FOR, UM, THE LOADING AREA AND CANNOT BE COUNTED.
SO ULTIMATELY THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME, BASED ON THE CURRENT PLAN, IS SEEKING A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION FROM THE BOARD OF 100 SPACES.
UM, THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL GENERAL COMMENTS PROVIDED ON PAGE TWO OF THE MEMORANDUM, WHICH WERE REVIEWED WITH THE PROJECT TEAM, UH, EARLIER TODAY.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO DIGEST THOSE, REVIEW THEM WITH THE REST OF THEIR TEAM, AND REPORT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AT A FUTURE TIME.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, WITH RESPECT TO THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UM, CONTINUES BECAUSE IT DID PREVIOUSLY TO INDICATE THAT BASED ON THE SHEER NUMBER, UH, REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT THAT UM, IT'S NOT ISSUING ITS RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PROPOSED REDUCTION, BUT RATHER, UM, DEFERS TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO REVIEW VARIOUS MATERIALS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT IN CONNECTION WITH ITS REVIEW BY, UH, THE TOWN'S PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC CONSULTANT WHO IS ON THIS EVENING, MR. CANNING.
UM, AND WOULD THEN BE IN A POSITION, UH, IT HAS DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL OVER THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
SO WE DO HAVE MR. CANNING HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, MR. CANNING WAS PROVIDED WITH, UH, THE REVISED PLANS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE.
UM, BUT IT WAS A SHORT TURNAROUND, SO THERE WAS NOT A MEMORANDUM ISSUED PRIOR.
HE WAS PREPARED TO ISSUE ONE LATE THIS AFTERNOON.
AND I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, THE PLANS ARE LIKELY TO CHANGE AGAIN GIVEN THE, A LITTLE BIT PARKING SPACES IN THE BACK.
SO, YEAH, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO HOLD OFF DEPENDING ON TONIGHT'S, UH, DISCUSSION.
AND THEN, UH, WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.
SO, UH, MR. CANNING IS HERE TO ANSWER THE BOARD'S QUESTION OR IF THE APPLICANT HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CANNING.
UM, I HAVE A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO THE BOARD FIRST.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YOU FIRST? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
UM, SO I, I, I KNOW THE ORIGINAL PLANS.
THERE WAS, UH, A NOTE ABOUT, UH, WELL, LEMME TAKE A STEP BACK.
SO I, I, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THE SITE EARLIER IN THE WEEKEND.
UM, AND THEN I REVIEWED THE ORIGINAL PLANS 'CAUSE I'D NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A STOP SIGN THAT WAS MISSING, UM, THAT THE PLANS INDICATED WERE TO BE REPLACED.
UM, I GUESS THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR COLLETTE.
COULD YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH ALL OF THE STOP SIGNS, UH, WITHIN THE PARKING LOT AND SORT OF HOW, HOW THOSE STOP SIGNS INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AND VEHICLES ENTERING AND EXITING THE, THE LOT? YES, OF COURSE.
SO RIGHT NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE ENTRANCE AND EXIT OFF OF NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE, AND THEN WHEN YOU GET INTO THE SITE TO, YOU CAN TURN INTO THE PARKING LOT TO THE RIGHT IMMEDIATELY OR PULL FORWARD OR TURN INTO CHASE PARKING AREA.
THEN YOU GET TO THIS INTERSECTION AND WE ARE NOW SHOWING
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A STOP SIGN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK, AS WELL AS A STOP SIGN IN FRONT OF THIS PORTION OF THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK TO MAINTAIN, UH, SAFE ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS.YOU KNOW, IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKY WITH STOP SIGNS AND WE FEEL THAT BY PROVIDING ANOTHER STOP SIGN HERE.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS A STOP SIGN HERE AS WELL IF YOU COME FROM THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW THE RIGHT OF WAY TO OCCUR FOR, UH, THESE PEOPLE COMING THIS WAY, UH, FROM OUR PARKING LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DID LOOK AT PROVIDING A STOP SIGN HERE, BUT FELT THAT IT WAS A LITTLE EXCESSIVE, UH, CONSIDERING THAT THERE ARE, UH, THREE STOP SIGNS AT THE OTHER, OR SORRY, ONE STOP SIGN AT EACH OF THE OTHER, UH, PORTIONS OF THE INTERSECTION.
AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A STOP SIGN, I THINK IF YOU WERE TO EXIT THE CHASE PARKING LOT AND THEN A STOP SIGN IF, IF YOU WERE TO EXIT CORRECT.
I I, I DID NOTICE, AND, AND MAYBE I'M, I'M NITPICKING, I, I DID NOTICE THAT MANY OF THE STOP SIGNS WERE, WERE SORT OF CROOKED.
UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO REINFORCE THE STOP SIGNS OR SOMETHING JUST TO PREVENT THEM FROM TIPPING OVER OR, OR, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT STANDING STRAIGHT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM.
I I I, I HAD NEVER NOTICED IT BEFORE, EVEN THOUGH I, I VISIT THE STOPPING CENTER ALL THE TIME, THAT THE CROSSWALK IMMEDIATELY IN FRONT OF, UM, THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT IS, IS A RED BRICK SORT OF CROSSWALK, UM, AS WELL AS THE, THE RED BRICK CROSSWALK AT THE ENTRANCE OF, OF THE LOT.
UM, I GUESS IS THERE ANY HISTORY OR OR BACKGROUND ON WHY THAT'S RED BRICK WHERE ALL THE OTHER CROSSWALKS OR TRADITIONAL BARN STRIPE CROSSWALKS? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NOT THAT I CAN RECOLLECT.
IT WAS PROBABLY DECORATIVE AT THE TIME.
AND, AND ARE THERE ANY SAFETY PROS AND CONS OF A, OF A RED BRICK SIDEWALK VERSUS A, A TRADITIONAL SIDEWALK SIDEWALK? THAT'S A JOHN CANNON QUESTION.
UH, NOT SOME, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY ABOUT HAVING A DIS A, A DIFFERENCE IN THE COLOR BETWEEN THE PAVEMENTS.
SO THE RED WE WERE JUST LOOKING TO MAINTAIN, UM, CONSIDERING IT DOES PROVIDE SOME SORT OF CONTRAST.
AND, AND, AND I, I ACTUALLY FOUND THE RED CONTRASTING ON THE BLACK TO BE, TO BE HARDER TO SEE THAN THE TRADITIONAL WHITE, WHITE ON BLACK.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF JOHN CANNING, IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO OPINE ON.
UH, YOU CAN HEAR ME RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, YEAH, I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTION THAT, UH, UH, A WHITE PAINT ON A BLACK ASPHALT IS A HIGHER VISIBILITY CROSSWALK, AND THAT IS PREFERRED FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY YOU COULDN'T PROVIDE, UH, WHITE PAINTED CONTINENTAL STYLE CROSSWALK ON TOP OF THE RED.
SO YOU BASICALLY HAVE WHITE, RED, AND BLACK.
UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD STILL BE MORE BECAUSE THE, THE, EVEN AS YOU LOOK AT IT ON STREET VIEW, THE, THE RED IS A SOMEWHAT SUBDUED COLOR AGAINST THE BLACK BACKGROUND.
DO YOU, DO YOU WANNA SHARE THAT, JOHN, IF WE TOOK DOWN THE, THE PLAN? SURE.
COLETTE, CAN YOU, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO TO GOOGLE IT? UH, NO, YOU CAN TAKE IT DOWN AND JOHN HAS IT AT THE READY.
IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT? CAN YOU SEE IT? YES.
BECAUSE BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT WASN'T EVEN ENTIRELY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT THAT IT, A CROSSWALK WAS A CROSSWALK.
REALLY, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A DESIGN.
ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S OTHER CROSSWALKS THAT ARE MORE TRADITIONAL CROSSWALKS.
I GOT, I'VE ALWAYS SORT OF LIKED THE BRICKS MYSELF.
I'VE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I EVER THOUGHT, OH, I SEE.
FROM THIS ANGLE THAT'S LESS, LIKE, THAT'S HARDER TO TELL.
THIS LOOKS LIKE QUITE OFTEN YOU SEE LIKE WHITE STRIPING ON THE OUTSIDE OF THEM.
UM, AND SO THERE'S RED, THERE'S RED.
THERE, I THINK AT THE ENTRANCE OF, OF THE LOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYWHERE ELSE ALONG, OH, I GUESS THERE AT CHASE.
UM, AND THEN I THINK RIGHT AT THE ENTRANCE, UH, PARALLEL TO CENTRAL AVENUE, I THINK THERE'S A
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RED CROSSWALK.SCRAPE ALL THAT WHITE IF IT, IF IF EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S GOING TO ADD TO RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL SAFETY THEN OF, OF COURSE IF THAT COULD JUST BE ADDED TO THE PLANS.
SO JUDGE, JUST SO I GUESS A WORD OF CAUTION, UH, THIS CROSSWALK IS IN THE DOTS RIGHT AWAY.
RIGHT? SO IT WAS APPROVED BY DOT, UM, IT COULD BE REAPPROVED BY DOT.
UM, BUT, AND TECHNICALLY IF YOU WERE TO PAINT IT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GET A PERMIT FROM DOT, BUT OKAY.
UH, BUT THE INTERIOR CROSSWALKS CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF.
AS LONG AS THE THE TOWN APPROVES THEM, YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
AND, AND THEN IF YOU, ARE YOU ABLE TO, IS THERE ANOTHER ENTRANCE TO, TO DALEWOOD ONE OFF CENTRAL AVENUE WAY UP HERE? SO THIS IS THE SIGNALED ENTRANCE, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THAT HAS A TRADITIONAL LADDER.
UM, YOU MAY, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER OR HAVE COLETTE WANT TO CONSIDER WHAT THE OTHER UN SIGNAL, HOW THE OTHER UNSIGNED CROSSWALKS ARE TREATED.
UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, CONSISTENCY IS A GOOD THING.
SO IF THE SIGNALIZE CROSSWALKS HAVE HIGH VISIBILITY CROSSWALK MARKINGS, AND THEN THE UNSIGNED ONES ARE BASICALLY JUST, UH, UH, A STREET CROSSING LIKE THIS, THEN THAT MAY BE WHAT YOU WANT TO CONSIDER TO HAVE AT THE OTHER LO YOU KNOW, AT THIS LOCATION.
I MEAN, MY PRE MY, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR CONTINENTAL EVERYWHERE, BUT I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE BURDEN OF, OF DOT.
UH, I COLETTE, IF I MAY, I, I LOOKED AT YOUR PLAN.
I HAVE TWO QUICK COMMENTS ON IT.
UM, THERE'S NO STOP SIGN PROPOSED AT THIS LOCATION HERE.
YOU'RE PROPOSING A STOP BAR, BUT NO STOP SIGN THAT I CAN SEE ON THE PLAN.
I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING THAT RIGHT THERE, BUT YEAH, IT'S FINE.
I, I THINK YOU CAN DO IT, IT HAS TO BE SEVEN FEET OFF THE GROUND AND, YOU KNOW, THE POST COULD BE IN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TWO FEET AND YOU SHOULD STILL HAVE AT LEAST FIVE FEET TO GET TO GET CLEAR.
UH, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT, AND THEN YOU MADE A COMMENT THAT, THAT THIS RAMP WAS A RAMP TO NOWHERE.
AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A NON-STANDARD INTERSECTION, BUT, UM, I'M TRYING TO TAKE THE PERSPECTIVE OF SOMEBODY WHO, UH, HAS MOBILITY ISSUES.
AND IF I WANTED TO GO THAT WAY FROM, FROM THIS SHOPPING CENTER TO THIS SHOPPING CENTER, AND I WAS IN, UM, UH, A SCOOTER OR WHATEVER, I COULD GO DOWN THIS AND GO ACROSS.
AND IF THIS IS ELIMINATED, I'D HAVE TO GO DOWN HERE AND DOWN HERE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE PO I KNOW YOU'RE PUTTING A RETURN TURN RADIUS ON IT.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO COMBINE THAT WITH A A, A RAMP.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A, A RAMP THAT WE'RE INCLUDING NEXT TO THE NEW ACCESSIBLE PARKING STALL.
BUT I, I, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO KEEP, WELL, IT JUST PULLS PEOPLE AWAY FROM THIS INTERSECTION THAT ISN'T IDEAL.
IF, IF IT'S PO, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO PUT THAT IN AS A WRAP, THEN I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL.
IF YOU THINK IT'S NOT POSSIBLE OR YOU THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA, LET, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE PUT IN WHAT'S BEST FOR EVERYBODY.
MY, MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT, UH, I, I GUESS I'M ON A ROLL.
UM, YOU SAID, YOU SAID THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UH, NOT A TYPICAL INTERSECTION.
THERE'S ENOUGH STUFF GOING ON HERE, AND TO A, TO SOME EXTENT, YOU'RE CORRECT.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION BECAUSE THE BANK DRIVEWAY GOES THIS WAY, BUT IT'S A THREE-WAY STOP.
THESE FOLKS STOP, THESE FOLKS STOP, AND THESE FOLKS AROUND THE CORNER STOP.
AND I'M DRIVING DOWN HERE AND I DON'T HAVE TO STOP.
BUT IF I'M AROUND HERE, I CAN'T SEE THIS PERSON COMING.
AND SO I MIGHT SAY, OH, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY COMING.
AND THEN I GO, SO I'M NOT SO SURE, I I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE A STOP SIGN HERE.
I KNOW IT MIGHT MEAN THE LOSS OF A PARKING SPACE, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE WHAT'S KIND OF GOVERNING IT.
BUT, UH, I'M, I'M NOT SO SURE THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A BAD IDEA TO HAVE SOMEBODY STOP HERE.
UM, WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR, I GUESS YOU MADE, YOU MADE TWO COMMENTS, AND I JUST WANNA SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
I THINK YOU MEANT TO SAY THAT THERE WERE 161 VEHICLES PARKED ON FRIDAY NIGHT.
YOU SAID, I HEARD YOU SAY A HUNDRED, UH, SORRY, SORRY.
AND YOU DID CORRECTLY STATE, I APOLOGIZE.
AND YOU DID CORRECTLY STATE THAT THERE WOULD BE ABOUT 20 EXCESS PARKING SPACES, UM, AT, AT PEAK TIMES, SO YEAH.
AND THAT'S WITH THE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN REPRESENTED ON THE PLAN YET.
SO WITH THE REMOVAL OF THOSE EIGHT PARKING STALLS IN THE REAR, UH, THERE WOULD BE THAT EIGHT, THE 20.
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BUT I THINK I NEED TO OBVIOUSLY CHECK THE MAP ON ALL OF THIS.'CAUSE THINGS ARE CHANGING A BIT, AND WE MIGHT ADD IN A FEW SPOTS, BUT CORRECT.
SO I STILL HAVE RESERVATIONS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, ABOUT HAVING ALL 419 PARKING SPACES COME ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME, UM, FOR THE REASONS THAT I STATED PREVIOUSLY.
AND I DID NOTE THAT, UH, YOUR RESPONSE BASICALLY REPEATED WHAT YOU SAID THE LAST TIME, WHICH IS THERE'S 400, THERE'S 330 SPACES, PLUS OR MINUS, AND WE'LL HAVE, UH, 310 PARKED VEHICLES, AND THEREFORE WE HAVE ENOUGH.
AND MY CONCERN, AS I EXPRESSED PREVIOUSLY, IS THAT THE SPACES ARE SPREAD OUT OVER THE SITE, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT SOME MOTORISTS MAY PARK ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY BECAUSE ALL OF THE SPACES CLOSE TO THE RESTAURANT ARE ALREADY ACCOMMODATED.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION TO, FOR, UM, FOR YOU, JOHN, AND, AND MAYBE FOR THE, AS I WAS READING THROUGH THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S MEMO, UM, IT SAYS THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH A REDUCTION OF 100 SPOTS.
IS THERE A DIFFERENT THRESHOLD THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH OR WE, THAT YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH? RIGHT.
SO LET ME AN ANSWER THAT PARTIALLY.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS, YOU KNOW, NOT OFFERING, UM, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOME THRESHOLD IF THEY WERE TO REDUCE DOWN THAT THEY WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH, THEY BASICALLY REVIEW WHAT'S SUBMITTED AND THEN OPINE ON WHAT'S SUBMITTED SO WELL, AND NOT THE TRAFFIC, NOT THE, AND THEY DON'T EVEN REVIEW THE TRAFFIC OR THE PARKING SITE ANALYSIS.
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POINT ANALYSIS.
THEY DID NOT REVIEW THE PARKING ANALYSIS, MR. CANNING MM-HMM
SO I THINK, AND MR. CANNING DID, UH, ALLUDE TO THIS IN A, IN A PRIOR, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO I THINK JOHN COULD SPEAK TO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING HE'S A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT COULD WORK FOR THE SITE.
SO I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO JOHN.
SO, UM, THIS BOARD HAS IN THE PAST, UH, CONDITIONED APPROVALS FOR PROJECTS WHERE THEY REQUESTED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PROGRAM, AND THE BOARD WAS CONCERNED THAT THAT AMOUNT OF PROGRAM COULD POTENTIALLY BE TOO MUCH, EVEN THOUGH THE ANALYSIS SAID IT WOULD BE OKAY.
AND ASKED THE APPLICANT, WOULD THEY ACCEPT A CONDITION TO COME BACK WITH A LESSER AMOUNT OF PROGRAM, PROVIDE A STUDY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WHAT THEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE WAS WHAT IT IN FACT WAS.
AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY ALLOWED THEM TO, TO EXPAND THEIR OPERATIONS TO THE FULL PROGRAM REQUIREMENT THAT, THAT THEY HAD REQUESTED.
AND SO I HAD PREVIOUSLY SUGGESTED THAT, UM, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO OPEN AND OPERATE WITH SOMEWHERE IN THE ORDER OF 300, 310 SEATS INSTEAD OF 420, UM, AND COME BACK AND DEMONSTRATE THAT PARKING WAS FUNCTIONING ADEQUATELY, THEY WOULD HAVE IT WRITTEN INTO THEIR APPROVAL THAT IF THIS BOARD ACCEPTED THAT, THEN THEY COULD CONTINUE OR EXPAND THEIR OPERATIONS TO ALL 420 SEATS.
UM, THE, THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT FROM THE APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE, APART FROM THE FACT THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL TIME AND COST, WHICH IS, IS CONSIDERABLE, BUT I THINK IT'S IN EVERYBODY'S INTEREST TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.
BUT THE REAL DOWNSIDE IS THAT THEY COULD GO OUT AFTER 310 SEATS ARE IN OPERATION AND FIND THAT THERE IS A PARKING PROBLEM, AND THEN THEY'RE STUCK WITH 310 SEATS.
NOW, I WOULD OFFER, UH, THAT THERE ARE STILL SOLUTIONS THAT YOU COULD IMPLEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO EXPAND BEYOND 310 SEATS, MAYBE EVEN ALL THE WAY TO 420 SEATS, THE MOST OBVIOUS OF WHICH IS VALET PARKING.
SO IF THE, AND, AND, AND THERE'S ONE OTHER THING BEFORE I FORGET, JUST TO REMIND MYSELF.
UM, IF THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATED THAT THERE WOULD BE A PARKING ISSUE OR WAS A PARKING ISSUE AT PEAK TIMES, THEY COULD IMPLEMENT VALET PARKING AT PEAK TIMES, WHICH IS TYPICALLY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENING FROM SIX TO 10.
AND THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM, ESPECIALLY IN THE BACK OF THE SITE WHERE YOU COULD ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL PARKING THROUGH VALET OPERATIONS.
AND THAT MIGHT GET THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PEAK TIMES.
THE OTHER BENEFIT OF HAVING A ROLLING OUT 310 PLUS OR MINUS SPACES IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE ALL 420 SPACES IN THE RESTAURANT OPEN AT THE SAME TIME.
AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN A NEW RESTAURANT COMES TO TOWN, I WANT TO TRY IT.
AND SO THEY'RE PARTICULARLY POPULAR FOR THE FIRST PROBABLY FOUR TO SIX MONTHS.
AND THEN AFTER EVERYBODY'S GIVEN IT A SHOT, THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH,
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THAT WAS GOOD, BUT I'M GONNA TRY SOMETHING ELSE.AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL CONTINUE WITH THE REGULAR CUSTOMERS, BUT THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY WILL GO DOWN.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO REASONS THAT, UH, I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT CONSIDER, UM, THIS ALTERNATIVE AND DISCUSS IT WITH THE BOARD.
IF, IF I MAY, I'M GONNA LET JOHN MCKAY FROM JEN KOREAN, UM, SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT THAT REQUEST.
UM, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST SAY ALSO, I WOULD JUST ADD MYSELF THAT TODAY, THAT ENTIRE AREA IS A SEA OF PARKING, ESPECIALLY TO THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S, IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNDERUTILIZED.
THE TIMES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS BEING, YOU KNOW, PEAK PARKING IS REALLY JUST DONE TWO NIGHTS WHEN WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BUSIER THAN THAN USUAL, WHICH I THINK IS GONNA BE A GREAT THING.
BUT I'M GONNA LET JOHN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
SO, WELL, PRIOR TO ME DOING THAT, WERE THERE ANY OTHER CUMULATIVE COMMENTS YOU WANT TO CONSIDER? UM, SO THIS ISN'T THIS, I LIKED THAT VALET IDEA, YOU KNOW, BEING SOMEBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO PLANS TO GO TO THE RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T BE MORE LIKELY TO GO IF THERE'S A VALET
SO ANYWAY, JUST ADDING THAT IN THERE FOR CONSIDERATION, BUT YEAH.
WELL, AND I'M GONNA LET JOHN ANSWER IT, BUT I WILL RE REMIND EVERYBODY THAT LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, JOHN DID EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE OF THE CONCEPT HERE, THAT IT'S THREE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS INSIDE OF ONE SPACE.
UM, AND IT'S A LARGE SPACE, 10,750 SQUARE FEET.
UM, HE'S NOT, HE'S NOT PROJECTING FORECASTING THAT IT'S GONNA BE AT ALL 420 SEATS AT ONE TIME.
ALSO, THE NATURE OF KOREAN BARBECUE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GROUPS OF PEOPLE THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING TOGETHER IN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S NOT EVERYBODY HOPEFULLY ISN'T GONNA ALL BE DRIVING SEPARATELY TO MEET AT THE RESTAURANT.
AND THERE WILL BE GROUPS OF PEOPLE, THERE WILL BE FAMILIES COMING TOGETHER.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND HERE.
SO WERE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE MR. MCKAY? I DO HAVE NOT TO MR. MCKAY.
YEAH, I MEAN, I HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF QUESTIONS, BUT I'D, I'D, I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM MR. MCKAY.
IT'S THE, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS ISSUE OF THE PARKING AND THE SEATING, THE PARKING, YEAH.
HONESTLY, UM, I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO, UM, AS MR. CANNON MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, NEW GAME IN TOWN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR, UM, PROPOSED, UH, OPENING DAY IS, BUT I KNOW, SO MY DAUGHTER'S A TEENAGER AND SHE LOVES KOREAN BARBECUE
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I CAN'T APPRECIATE IT WOULD BE LIKE MORE OF DROP OFF BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DROPPING OFF A BUNCH OF KIDS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY STAYING WITH THEM AND THEN PICKING THEM UP, UP AFTER.
SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF ALLEVIATES SOME OF THE PARKING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS AN ADULT, AND I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS NOW, WE WANNA GO TOO.
AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T ALL TAKE ONE CAR BECAUSE WE LIVE IN DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND THE IDEA OF JUST SAY THE TWO STOP SIGNS AND THEN THAT ONE BLIND STOPS OR NONSTOP SIGN THAT SOMEONE CAN JUST DRIVE STRAIGHT THROUGH.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT PART OF IT.
YOU KNOW, UM, YOUR ENGINEER MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, SHE DIDN'T WANNA PUT, SHE THOUGHT THE, UH, STOP SIGN WAS EXCESSIVE OVER GOING TOWARDS THE, UH, THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTER.
BUT, UM, AS A PERSON WHO GOES THROUGH THAT SHOPPING CENTER TO COME TO YOUR SHOPPING CENTER AND THEN ALL THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S QUIET BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
BUT WITH A RESTAURANT COMING THERE NOW, THERE IS GOING TO BE PARKING.
NOW THERE IS GOING TO BE TRAFFIC AND JUST, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE USED TO JUST GOING STRAIGHT ACROSS AND THEN NOW THERE'S, YOU HAVE RIGHT AWAY.
AND SOME OF YOU DO, SOME OF YOU DON'T.
AND YOU KNOW, IT JUST, IT TURNS INTO A THING IF THAT STOP SIGN, THE EXTRA STOP SIGN.
COULD YOU DO ME A FAVOR AND PULL UP THAT PLAN REAL QUICKLY? WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHICH, YEAH, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
SO MARK, MARK, JUST ADD A STOP SIGN HERE, WHICH ISN'T A PROBLEM.
SO, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, IT GOES BACK TO EMPLOYEES.
THEY'RE GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH.
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SPOT TO DO IT? I DON'T THINK YOU DO.WELL, LET'S, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TRY.
BUT
THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS FOR THEM TO ACCESS IT, AND THEY HAVE TO GET TO WORK.
AND THEN NOW THERE'S NO STOP SIGN HERE FOR THEM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, TO ZIP IN AND OUT.
WE WANT EVERYTHING TO BE SAFE ALL THE TIME.
SO, SO THERE'S, THEY STOP, STOP WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN.
WE WANT THEM TO SPEAK TO IT, BUT I THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
I THINK COLETTE, WE COULD PROBABLY ADD THAT, CORRECT? YES.
I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, SO I'D, I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM MR. MCKAY ABOUT MR. CANNINGS SUGGESTION OF POSSIBLY A, A STAGED OR PHASED OPENING.
YES, I WAS LOUD LAST TIME, SO I'M TRYING TO BE QUIETER.
NO, PLEASE DON'T BE YOURSELF,
UM, YOU KNOW, I, WE, WE VIEW THAT AS A RISK.
UM, THE ASSUMPTION IS ON THE FRONT END WHEN EVERYTHING IS WHAT WE CALL THE HONEYMOON PERIOD, RIGHT? UH, EVERYONE IS DRIVING TRIAL.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE NEW KID IN TOWN AND EVERYBODY'S COMING IN AND THEN IT SETTLES DOWN, RIGHT? SO WHETHER THAT IT'S A HIGHER RAMP UP AND THEN IT'S A SLOW DECLINE, AND THAT CAN GO ANYWHERE.
I MEAN, SOMETIMES IN, IN MARKETS IT'S SIX MONTHS, SOMETIMES IT'S TWO.
IT JUST, IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE, UH, THE, THE CONSUMERS REACT.
UM, WHAT THAT REQUIRES US TO DO IS TO BUILD OUT THE ENTIRE RESTAURANT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW CORDON OFF SOME OF THE, UH, THE SEATS IN THE BACK, WHICH TO US IS A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION.
IF YOU WALK INTO A RESTAURANT, YOU EXPECT TO SEE A NORMAL OPERATING RESTAURANT, RIGHT? YOU DON'T EXPECT TO SEE, UH, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, RED, RED TAPE COORDINATING OFF AN AREA OR MULTIPLE MONTHS AT A TIME.
IT, IT CAUSES CUSTOMERS TO GO, HUH, WHAT'S THAT? THAT'S, THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
UM, SO FROM A PERCEPTION POINT OF VIEW, WE'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY THE GIST OF IT.
IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY ODD TO ESPECIALLY PEAK TIMES, TO, TO HAVE ANY PART OF YOUR RESTAURANT SHUTDOWN.
IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE AT PEAK TIMES, RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FRIDAY NIGHT, SATURDAY NIGHT FOR THE, FOR THE RAMP UP PERIOD, UM, LEADING INTO THE HONEYMOON.
AND, AND THAT'S, UH, AND THEN IN, IN THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, AS SHORT AS IT MAY BE, I'M NOT GENERATING INCOME AND MARGINS AND RESTAURANTS ARE VERY, VERY SMALL.
THE ONLY THING SMALLER IS GROCERY STORES.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S A CONCERN FOR US.
'CAUSE WE'VE SPENT THE MONEY ON THE, THE UPFRONT CAPITAL EXPENDITURE.
AND, UH, WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY TIME OF RECOVERY FOR THOSE SEATS, WHICH ON A FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL.
SO AT, AT, AND, AND I THINK Y'ALL MIGHT AGREE WITH ME, IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S FINE.
UM, AS A CONSUMER, WHEN YOU COME INTO A, A PARKING LOT WITH A, A RESTAURANT IN PARTICULAR THAT'S NOT STANDING ON ITS OWN, IT'S PART OF A SHOPPING CENTER, RIGHT? UM, YOU, YOU DRIVE IN AND YOU, YOU, YOU LOOK FOR THE CLOSEST PARKING SPACE, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S HUMAN NATURE.
WE DON'T LIKE TO GO OFF TO THE SIDES.
WE DON'T LIKE TO GO TOO FAR AWAY FROM THE WALK, ESPECIALLY IF THE WEATHER'S POOR OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
UM, IF YOU CAN'T FIND THAT SPACE YOU LEAVE.
AND AS A RESTAURANT OPERATOR, THAT IS A EFFECTIVE LIFE THAT WE DEAL WITH SOMETIMES, THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE WILL LOSE CUSTOMERS AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME WHEN THINGS ARE SETTLED DOWN.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE SERVING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA COME THROUGH THE DOOR, NOT THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE PARKING LOT, SPINNING AROUND, LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO PARK.
UM, SO I MEAN, THERE IS A FUNCTION OF THAT WHERE, WHERE SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA, WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
UM, BUT IF IT DOES, THEN I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A RISK WE TAKE AS AN OPERATOR.
UM, THE VALLEY PARKING, I, I, UH, I REACHED OUT TO MY OPS TEAM AND ASKED IF THERE WERE OCCASIONS, BECAUSE WE HAVE SITUATIONS, UH, WITH SOME OF OUR RESTAURANTS.
I, I LIVE IN THE DALLAS AREA AND WE HAVE ONE IN, IN, UH, A SUBURB OF DALLAS THAT IS, UH, DEFINED AS THE SHOPPING
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CENTER IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 10 POUNDS OF STUFF IN A FIVE POUND BAG.AND NO MATTER WHAT TIME OF DAY YOU GO, NO MATTER WHAT TIME OF DAY, UH, DAY OF THE WEEK YOU GO, THEY HAVE A SEVERE, FAR EXCEEDING WHAT I'M SEEING ON THIS PLAN, SEVERE PARKING PROBLEM.
AND YET WE FIND THAT RESTAURANT TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
IT, IT'S, IT, IT IS, IT, IT IS ANCHORED BY AN ASIAN GROCERY STORE, ANOTHER ONE, NOT H MART.
UM, AND IT IS AN ASIAN FOCUSED SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, AND YES, THE, THE, THE PARKING'S REALLY BAD.
UM, LOTS OF RESTAURANTS, LOTS OF DESSERT PLACES LIKE COFFEE SHOPS, LOTS DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, AND YEAH, AND ME AND MY FAMILY HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND A BIT AND, UH, WE EVENTUALLY FIND SOMETHING.
UM, IT'S JUST THE NATURE OF CUSTOMERS AND WITH THE, WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VERY UNDER UNDERUTILIZED PARKING STALLS HERE TO THE RIGHT, OR A PAGE LEFT OF OVER PAGE LEFT OF OUR BUILDING, RIGHT.
THIS IS CONSIDERABLY MORE ADVANTAGEOUS THAN A LOT OF SITUATIONS WE ARE IN, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
AND IT'S, IT'S ANECDOTAL AGAIN, 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT CUSTOMERS DO.
UM, I'VE ASKED, UH, I'VE INQUIRED ABOUT THE VALET, IF WE'RE LIKE IN THAT, THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT THE INSTANCE THAT WE HAD IN, IN THIS, IN THIS SHOPPING CENTER IS IT COULD EVERY, EVERY UNIT OPERATING IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER COULD BENEFIT FROM VALET, YET IT'S AN IMPRACTICAL APPLICATION, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOWHERE TO VALET THE CARS, RIGHT? IN THIS CASE, YES, THERE IS, UH, THERE IS A, A SET OF PARKING STALLS IN THE BACK THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, GOOD FOR VALET.
SO I, I, I WANT MORE CLARITY AS MR. CANNINGS EXECUTION OF THE VALET IDEA.
WE KNOW IT WOULD BE, UM, IS IT PEAK HOUR? IS IT PEAK HOUR? FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS, UM, FROM SEVEN TO TO CLOSING HOURS.
I MEAN, WHAT IS THE, UH, WHAT IS THE SUGGESTION AND, AND BE BEFORE WE HEAR FROM JOHN, FROM MR. CANNING.
CAN, CAN YOU JUST REMIND ME WHAT, WHAT YOUR PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATIONS ARE? SO I HAVE TO CONVERT TO EASTERN TIME.
UH, GENERALLY, UH, WE WOULD, WE OPEN AT NOON.
SOMETIMES WE OPEN A LITTLE EARLY 1130 DEPENDING ON WHAT THE LUNCH CROWD IS LIKE.
UM, AND THEN WE, WE HAVE CLOSING TIMES FOR ALL TYPES OF SITUATIONS, RIGHT? IN URBAN AREAS.
WE LIKE
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT HERE BECAUSE OF THE SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT.
SO, TYPICAL SUBURBAN GEN LOCATION WOULD CLOSE.
UM, WE'D BE NINE O'CLOCK, NINE O'CLOCK CENTRAL, NINE 30 CENTRAL FOR ME.
AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT OTHER, GO AHEAD.
WHAT'S THE AVERAGE CLOSING TIME OF, OF OTHER STORES WITHIN DALEWOOD ONE? IT'S AROUND THE SAME TIME.
I JUST, JUST THANK YOU MR. MCKAY.
JUST TO RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF YOUR COMMENTS.
AND, UM, I, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE RESTAURANT TOO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
UM, YOU, YOU DID NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO TO THIS SHOPPING CENTER IN DALLAS, THAT YOU DRIVE AROUND A BIT AND YOU USUALLY FIND PARKING, OR SOMETIMES IF YOU DON'T FIND PARKING, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS WILL LEAVE.
SO THAT, AND, AND YOU REFER TO THE SUBSTANTIAL, UNUSED PARKING TO THE SOUTH, IT'S NOT THAT, THAT PARKING IS NOT ENOUGH.
AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE ITE DATA, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT ENOUGH.
AND THE CONCERN IS THAT PEOPLE WILL DRIVE AROUND AND THEY WILL PARK IN THE ADJOINING PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS.
IT'S GONNA BE A PEAK TIME ISSUE.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE, UM, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE FROM ABOUT 6:00 PM UNTIL ABOUT 10:00 PM PROBABLY JUST ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENING.
IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOUR PEAK IS THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY, UH, I SUSPECT THAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE IT ON THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY.
THE CONCEPT IS THAT IF YOU NEED VALET PARKING, YOU'RE DOING GOOD BUSINESS.
SO THERE'S SOME MEASURE TO SUPPORT IT.
AND THEN THE WAY IT WOULD OPERATE IN MY MIND WOULD BE THAT BAY THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH WOULD BE MORE OR LESS A DEDICATED VALET OPERATION AREA.
SO IF YOU WANTED VALET PARKING, IF YOU NEEDED VALET PARKING, YOU WOULD ARRIVE, YOU WOULD GO IN THERE, YOU WOULD DRIVE DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DRY VILE, YOU'D GIVE, STOP, GIVE YOUR CAR TO THE VALET.
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IN ONE OF THE SPACES OPPOSITE, IT WAS EARLY IN THE EVENING, OR THEY WOULD TAKE IT AROUND THE BACK AND YOU'D HAVE TO WORK WITH BRICKS FLOOR TO GET PERMISSION TO PARK IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT THEY COULD DOUBLE UP AND STACK IN THE BACK.AND THEN WHEN, UH, YOU WERE LEAVING, THEY WOULD GET YOUR CAR.
PRESUMABLY MOST OF 'EM WOULD BE PARKED IN THE BACK AND BRING IT AROUND THE FRONT AND THEY'D COME BACK DOWN THAT SAME DRIVE VI, BUT GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND, AND THE, THE CONCEPT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T NEED IT, WHY SHOULD YOU PROVIDE IT? IT'S, IT'S NOT THAT WE WANT TO IMPOSE A BURDEN ON YOU, IT'S JUST THAT IF IT'S NEEDED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A MECHANISM TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THIS PROJECT WORKED SUCCESSFULLY.
SO I, I, I DO HAVE A, A, A FEW ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
UM, WHEN, WHEN I, WHEN I VISITED THE SITE EARLIER, I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS, UH, QUITE, QUITE A FEW PILES OF SNOW.
CAN C CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH YOUR, YOUR SNOW REMOVAL PROCESS AND I GUESS STORAGE PROCESS? YES.
FIRST OF ALL, KELLY, ARE YOU ON THE PHONE? ARE YOU ON THE LINE? ALRIGHT, THAT'S OUR PROPERTY MANAGER AND I WASN'T SURE IF SHE WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE IT.
WE HAVE A SNOW REMOVAL VENDOR, OKAY.
UH, IF WE HAVE A LARGE SNOW EVENT, IT'S FOUND THAT THE PILES ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO, AND IF AND IF IT'S FOUND THAT THE PILES ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO IMPACT BUSINESSES AND THE CUSTOMER'S ABILITY TO PARK, WE WOULD EITHER RELOCATE THOSE PILES ON SITE, UM, TO DALE WITH THREE WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM AND OR WE WOULD HAUL THE SNOW OFFSITE.
OUR SNOW VENDOR IS EQUIPPED WITH DUMP TRUCKS AND LOADERS TO PERFORM THIS AS NEEDED.
UM, IT'S CONTINGENT UPON THE AMOUNT OF SNOW, BUT WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE IN THE REAR OF DALE WITH THREE FOR SNOW PILE STORAGE.
THAT DOES NOT HINDER EGRESS OF DELIVERY VEHICLES.
IT'S REALLY THE ONLY OPTION FOR ON LIGHT ON ONSITE RELOCATION.
SO OTHERWISE WE WOULD HAUL OFF SITE TO A LOCATION DETERMINED BY AND PAID FOR OUR SNOW, OUR BY OUR SNOW HAULER AS A FOLLOW UP IN THESE MOST TWO RECENT LARGER STORM EVENTS, WHICH RESULTED IN SIGNIFICANT PILES, AT LEAST AT CERTAIN SITES.
DO YOU KNOW HOW IT WAS HANDLED, IF IT WAS ALL HANDLED ON SITE OR IF THERE WAS THE NEED TO CART OFFSITE? AND IF NOT, I KNOW IT'S ON THE SPOT.
IF NOT, IF YOU COULD FIND OUT SURE, SURE.
AND FROM THESE LAST TWO SNOW EVENTS, WHETHER WE HAD TO HAUL OFF SITE YEAH.
OR WHETHER WE JUST THREW IT BEHIND DALEWOOD THREE, RIGHT.
IF BASED ON THOSE EVENTS YOU HAD ENOUGH CAPACITY AND STORAGE AND TODAY YOU REALLY COULD JUST PILE IT UP AT DALEWOOD ONE IN THAT LOT.
WELL, YEAH, BUT I UNDERSTAND, AND I'LL ASK KELLY, AND, AND THE SPACE BEHIND DALEWOOD THREE IS THAT I, I GUESS JUST UN UN UNOCCUPIED ON ON STRIPED SPACE OR WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE FUNCTION OF THAT SPACE? UNDERUTILIZED SPACE ESSENTIALLY, BUT STRIPED SPACES, I BELIEVE SO CAN COLLECT, COULD YOU PULL UP GOOGLE EARTH? YEAH.
THEY ARE GOING TO BE STRIPED MARK.
'CAUSE AS PART OF, UM, OUR APPROVAL FOR DALEWOOD TWO AND THREE, WE CORRECT.
SO, SO WHERE OUR PROPERTY MANAGER, WHERE, WHERE WE WORK WITH YOU ON, I MEAN, IS THAT, WAS THAT A PROBLEM? DID YOU THINK THAT THAT WAS A PROBLEM WHEN YOU WERE AT THE SITE OR, I MEAN, THAT, I MEAN THAT, THAT THAT'S FEEDBACK THAT, THAT WE'D RECEIVED FROM THE NEIGHBOR COMMUNITY, FROM NEIGHBOR.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE'S NO, NO PUN INTENDED, IF THERE'S A PERFECT STORM WHERE, WHERE THERE'S A, A MAJOR SNOW EVENT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, DURING, DURING THE HONEYMOON PERIOD OF THIS OPENING, UM, WE WOULD HAUL IT OFF SITE.
NOW, MR. CANNINGS, UM, ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED ABOUT 90% CAPACITY, AND I IMAGINE THAT THAT 10%, UH, SWING COULD BE, COULD BE EATEN UP PRETTY QUICKLY BY, BY PILES OF SNOW.
I WILL CONFIRM WHETHER WE DID THAT FOR THESE LAST TWO STORM EVENTS.
BUT GIVEN THE CHANGES THAT ARE OCCURRING HERE, WE PROBABLY WOULD DO THAT IN THE FUTURE AS WE PROJECT THE PARKING LOT, DALE, WITH TWO AND THREE TO BE BUSIER AND IF ALL GOES WELL HERE, RIGHT.
THE PARKING LOT HERE WOULD BE BUSY.
I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT YOUR CENTER TO BE AS EFFICIENT AND A FULL, FRANKLY, A FULL PARKING LOT.
I'M OKAY WITH DRIVING AROUND A COUPLE TIMES AND LOOKING FOR A SPOT.
AND ULTIMATELY, PRACTICALLY, PRACTICALLY, I APPRECIATE MOVING, MOVING THE SNOW TO DALEWOOD THREE.
BUT LIKE ULTIMATELY IF, IF, IF THIS BODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SHARED
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PARKING REDUCTIONS AND, AND THAT ASSUMES THAT THE SPACES THAT, UM, WE, WE DO APPROVE ARE, ARE MEANT TO BE ACCESSED BY, AND WE CAN MAKE THAT AS A CONDITION THAT WE AGREE TO, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR A MAJOR SNOW EVENTS, YOU KNOW, HAUL IT OFF SITE AND WE COULD WORK ON WHATEVER STANDARD YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE.BUT I WILL GET AN ANSWER ON WHAT WE HAD JUST DONE IN THE LAST TWO.
ACCORDING TO MY PROPERTY MANAGER, IT'S NOT A, NOT A PROBLEM TO HAUL IT OFF SITE THAT THE HAULER HAS CAPACITY TO DO THAT.
UM, SO, SO SWITCHING GEARS A A LITTLE BIT, I KNOW, UM, DURING THE LAST MEETING IT WAS REPRESENTED THAT THERE WILL BE ABOUT 30 TO 35 EMPLOYEES IN THE RESTAURANT AND THAT THEY WILL, WILL BE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY INSTRUCTED TO ALL PARK IN THE REAR WITH, WITH THE SPOTS THAT WE'RE LOSING IN THE REAR, HOW MANY SPOTS ARE, ARE NOW AVAILABLE IN THE REAR? IS THAT A COLLETTE? IS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT 20 RIGHT HERE IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND THEN, SO LIKE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE STRETCH, NOT TO MAKE YOU COUNT WHOLE STRETCH, BUT LIKE, BUT LIKE THE WHOLE STRETCH, HOW MUCH, HOW MANY SPACES ARE BACK THERE? FIVE.
HOW MANY? 55 WITHOUT THESE EIGHT.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, SO LIKE THE, THE OTHER LEASES FOR THE OTHER, UH, PATRONS YOU HAVE IN DALEWOOD ONE, LIKE DO THEY HAVE LANGUAGE OR ARE THERE EXPECTATIONS THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES ALSO PARK IN THE REAL, OR IS THAT MORE OF THE HONOR SYSTEM? OR LIKE HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT GOVERNED? IT'S, FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE UNDER MOST OF OUR LEASES, IF NOT ALL OF OUR LEASES ALLOWED TO PASS BYLAWS OR, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS REGARDING THINGS SUCH AS THIS IF WE FEEL IT'S NECESSARY.
AND, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM.
WE'VE DONE THAT AT OTHER CENTERS WHERE WE'VE HAD TO, UM, BASICALLY PUT TOGETHER AN EMPLOYEE PARKING PLAN AND SUBMIT IT TO EACH OF THE TENANTS IN THE BUILDING TO GET THEM TO PARK IN A CERTAIN AREA.
UM, AND I THINK IF YOU REMEMBER TOO, JOHN HAD TESTIFIED LAST TIME HE WAS HERE THAT THEY TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY AT THEIR COMPANY, AND EMPLOYEES ARE GIVEN ONE WARNING IF THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT THEIR EMPLOYEES CHEWING UP THIS.
AND, AND THAT'S SORT OF EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT I'M WRESTLING WITH, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF JEN KOREAN REQUIRES ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES TO, TO PARK IN THE REAR, AND IF H MART REQUIRES ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THE REAR, AND IF EVERYONE ELSE REQUIRES ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THE REAR, MY MY QUESTION REALLY IS LIKE, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE EMPLOYED IN THE ENTIRE CENTER AT ONE GIVEN TIME AND HOW MANY SPOTS ARE IN THE REAR? AND IF THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH SPOTS IN THE REAR FOR EVERYONE EMPLOYED, LIKE THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, EITHER, EITHER THEN YOU CAN'T REPRESENT, THEY'RE ALL GONNA PARK IN THE REAR OR SOME, SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE.
THE ONLY THING I COULD REPRESENT IS THAT WE COULD, IF IT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY, AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO, WE COULD PASS A QUOTE BYLAW OF THE LEASE AND IMPOSE A PLAN TO AN, AN EMPLOYEE PARKING PLAN.
WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WHERE WE'VE CROSS HATCHED AREAS IN THE CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY REQUIRED TENANTS AFTER A LEASE IS SIGNED TO HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES PARK IN THOSE DESIGNATED AREAS.
AND, AND, AND THEN, BECAUSE THEN THE OTHER THING I STRUGGLE WITH IS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND CERTAINLY ONE COULD ARGUE THAT THE, THE PARKING FORMULA IS ANTIQUATED, YOU KNOW, ON, ON, ON
WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING TO COME IN AND ASK FOR SUCH A LARGE REDUCTION.
AND ON AND ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING FORMULA IS, IS ONLY BASED ON, YOU KNOW, SEATS FOR PATRONS.
AND SO NONE OF THE EMPLOYEES, UH, OF ANY OF, IS THAT, IS THAT HOW IT'S CALCULATED? I THINK IT INCLUDES, DOES IT IT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT YEAH.
LIKE STAFF AND, AND OH, IT DOES.
I MEAN, I'D SAY THAT WHEN YOU ADD A RESTAURANT IN YOUR CODE TO THE MIX, IT THROWS THE PARKING RATIO.
SO, SO NOW WITH, I THINK ALL THE RESTAURANTS THAT REQUIRE A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IN YOUR, IN, IN YOUR CODE FOR THE MIX OF USES THAT WE HAVE HERE IS 260.
AND WE HAVE HOW MANY WE'RE ASKING FOR 304, 4 60, SORRY.
STOPPING CENTER, IT'S FOUR 60.
THAT'S, AND THAT'S FOR DALEWOOD ONE, CORRECT? RIGHT.
THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF LIKE A, IS IT, IS IT CLOSE TO A SEVEN TO ONE PARKING RATIO? IT'S A LITTLE ON, IT'S UNDER SEVEN TO ONE.
IT'S LIKE 6.7 TO ONE PARKING RATIO.
THAT'S LIKE WHAT YOU EXPECT IN THE FAR, FAR, FAR SUBURBS WHERE YOU HAVE CORN FIELDS
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AND LOTS OF ROOM TO PARK.THAT KIND OF PARKING RATIO FOR A MIX OF TENANTS, LIKE THIS GROCERY STORE AND RESTAURANT IS REALLY ANTIQUATED.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, SO THE A HUNDRED SPOT REDUCTION, THAT INCLUDES THE, THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED I THINK IT'S 419 PATRON SEATS AND THEN THE 35 EMPLOYEES.
WHAT IT IS, IS BECAUSE THE PARKING REGULATIONS, AS JOHN SAID, FACTOR IN EMPLOYEES.
UM, AND, AND SO I GUESS IT WOULD JUST, WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU CAN PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, I I, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ENTIRE CENTER, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING NUMBER.
BUT, UM, IT, IT, IT, IT'D BE INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO GET A SENSE OF IF EVERYONE REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF WE WERE TO CONDITION OR IF YOU WERE TO PASS A BYLAW, ALL EMPLOYEES HAVE TO PARK IN THE REAR.
IF, IF THERE'S ACTUALLY ENOUGH SPOTS TO, WHAT IF WE OFFER THAT UP AS A CONDITION? WELL, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE YET.
I THINK WE NEED MORE INFORMATION FIRST.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE'S ONLY 55 SPOTS ALONG THE FULL REAR, AND 35 OF THOSE 30 TO 35 ARE GONNA BE MANDATED FOR GEN KRAN.
BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, 20 OR 30 EMPLOYEES FOR H MART AND THEN ANY OTHER USES WITHIN THERE, AND YOU SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH.
BUT THEN YOU MANDATED ON ALL U ALL TENANTS, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE GEN KOREAN GUY THAT'S GETTING THERE A LITTLE BIT LATE AND CAN'T FIND THE SPOT AND THEN GETS FIRED 'CAUSE HE, YOU KNOW, COULDN'T GET THERE
YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T WANNA CREATE A SITUATION LIKE THAT.
SO SOME MEANING A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION, UM, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD ULTIMATELY BE IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM A CONDITION IN THE FACT THAT YOU'RE AGREEABLE TO WORKING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND TOWN STAFF ON CRAFTING SOMETHING UP AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL COORDINATE THROUGHOUT THE REMAINDER OF THE PROCESS.
WE'VE DONE IT AT OTHER PROPERTIES AND MM-HMM
I'M NOT GONNA KID YOU, IT'S GONNA BE A BUSY LOT.
BUT WE THINK IT'S A GOOD THING.
AND WE THINK THAT WITH THE MIX OF USES HERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, TURNOVER IS A BIG PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, 320 SPACES TODAY, AND THEN YOU GOT DALE WITH TWO AND DALE WITH THREE.
WILL THERE BE SOME PEOPLE THAT GO NEXT DOOR AND PARK? POSSIBLY.
BUT I, I DON'T THINK, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, THE, THE, I I I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THE FEAR IS.
IT, IT'S THAT YOU'RE GONNA NOT BE ABLE TO FIND A SPACE OR THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA START PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
WELL, I GUESS THE REAL, I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE OF, I MEAN, THE REAL FEAR FOR ME IS THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE SHOPPING CENTER, CAN'T FIND A SPOT, GET FRUSTRATED AND AGITATED AND THEN, YOU KNOW, QUICKLY BECOME POOR DRIVERS OR AGGRESSIVE DRIVERS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE AN INCREASE IN ACCIDENTS AND OKAY.
YOU KNOW, ANGRY, ANGRY DRIVERS MAKE, MAKE, YOU KNOW, BAD DRIVERS.
UM, THIS IS A REALLY BIG LOT THOUGH, I WOULD SAY, AND IT'S SPREAD OUT A BIT TOO.
YOU GOT ALL THAT PARKING ON THE SIDE AND I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
WE'VE GOT A CENTER IN, IN, UM, NEW ROCHELLE WITH A TRADER JOE'S.
THAT LOT'S REALLY BUSY AND I'M SURE IT'S, BUT YOU'VE ALSO GOT THAT IT'S A LITTLE HECTIC, SORT OF WONKY FOUR WAY INTERSECTION THAT'S NOT COMPLETELY LINED UP, SO YEAH.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
WE ABSOLUTELY, THE BOARD ALWAYS IS TOWN STAFF ALWAYS IS, I'M SURE YOU KNOW, OF COURSE YOU ARE HIS PROPERTY MANAGER AS WELL.
UH, MR. CANNINGS HAND IS RAISED
I I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, NOTE THAT BASED ON THE DOCUMENTED WEEKDAY OR SATURDAY PEAK PARKING DEMAND OF 191 PARKED VEHICLES, WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY 181 BECAUSE OF THE TRAILER, UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE, UH, 50,000, 51,000 SQUARE FEET CURRENTLY OCCUPIED.
SO THE CURRENT PARKING RATIO FOR WHAT'S THERE, WHICH IS MOSTLY SUPERMARKET, IS 3.5 PER THOUSAND, WHICH IS AS, UM, MARK INDICATED A MODEST NUMBER.
IT'S NOT SEVEN, BUT I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE RESTAURANTS ARE POPULAR.
THE ITE INDICATES THAT A, A FINE DINING RESTAURANT ON A SATURDAY NIGHT WILL GENERATE PARKING AT A RATE OF, UH, 18 PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT WHEN THIS RESTAURANT GOES IN 30% OF THE SPACE IN THE, IN THE FACILITY, IN THE SHOPPING CENTER WILL BE RESTAURANT SPACE.
SO THERE WOULD, IT'S GONNA BE BUSY AND, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE AND
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WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY OH, YEAH.TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS ON THE PROPERTY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND, AND SO I GUESS THE, THE LAST THING THAT, MY LAST QUESTION, UM, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING, WHICH, WHICH I'M, YOU KNOW, STILL TRYING TO WRAP MY ARMS AROUND THIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WERE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE FELT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, MADE THIS A, A TENABLE SITUATION FOR GEN KOREAN.
AND YOU KNOW, WHILE, WHILE I DON'T WISH THIS OR HOPE THIS AT ALL, YOU KNOW, A YEAR, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUSINESS GOES IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND SAY AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, H MART GOES IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HUNDRED SPOT REDUCTION RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THEN AS YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COME BACK TO US AND LOOK TO DEVELOP H MART.
YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SPACES ON PAGE LEFT AND HOW THIS IS THE CORNER LOT.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S RATIONAL TO ME.
BUT, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE REDUCTION IS MADE, THE REDUCTION IS MADE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU LOOK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF, IF IN A HYPOTHETICAL IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONE, H MART IS GONE AND YOU'RE NOW COMING TO US FOR H MART, THERE'S A HUNDRED SPACE REDUCTION THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WAS, WAS SORT OF CONCEPTUALIZED BEING ALL OF THESE SPOTS ON, ON PAGE LEFT.
BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, AS AS, AS WAS SAID BEFORE, PEOPLE WANNA PARK AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO, TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
AND THAT'S RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THE LOT.
SO LIKE, I, I, THIS IS, I I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS, BUT LIKE, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY, ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PROTECT US, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THESE THESE HUNDRED SPACES, WHICH WERE, YOU KNOW, INTENDING TO BE ON PAGE LEFT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE ISN'T, DOESN'T CREEP SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK SO, AND THIS IS JUST BE THINKING OUT OF THE BOX HERE, WHICH ISN'T ALWAYS THE SAFEST THING.
IF, IF ONE OF THOSE RESTAURANTS SWITCHED AND BECAME, UH, REGULAR DRY RETAIL USE, WE ALL OF A SUDDEN HAVE A SURPLUS.
RIGHT? SO, SO TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, IT'S, IT'S THE, THE PROTECTION YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS THAT SHOULD WE THEN ADD LIKE EVEN MORE RESTAURANT IN THE FUTURE? OR, OR, OR JUST THE, THE DEMAND WITHIN THE LOT IS SHIFTED.
SO I'LL POINT OUT THAT WHILE IT RUNS WITH THE LAND, IT'S STILL TIED TO THE EXISTING USES, WHICH IT'S BASED UPON.
SO YOUR DETERMINATION UPON A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION IS TIED TO THE CURRENT USES AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER VERSUS, UM, TIMING, DEMAND, ALL OF THAT INTERPLAY.
AND WHEN THAT CHANGES, YOU CAN REEVALUATE IT.
WE WOULD ONLY COME BACK IF WE WERE GONNA ADD MORE DENSITY, WHICH I, WE, WE GET IT RIGHT NOW, WOULD BE A LITTLE OBNOXIOUS
YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROACHED, I MEAN, WE WOULDN'T HAVE, AND AND I DON'T THINK JEN CARINA, THEY COULD SPEAK TO THIS.
THEY WOULD NOT HAVE PROBABLY PURSUED THIS IF THEY DID NOT THINK THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH PARKING HERE FOR THEIR USE.
I I GUESS IT'S ULTIMATELY LIKE A HUNDRED, A A HUNDRED SPACE REDUCTION IS, IS A VERY LARGE REDUCTION.
MAY, MAYBE THE LARGEST REDUCTION THIS BOARD HAS EVER CONSIDERED.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS RESTAURANT, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE, THE INTERNAL SEATING, YOU KNOW, YET THIS MEETING, YOU KNOW, THIS RESTAURANT, IF, IF BUILT IS PROPOSED WOULD BE THE SINGLE LARGEST RESTAURANT IN ALL OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
UM, AND, AND SO IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVING UP, GIVING UP A HUNDRED SPACES.
WE, WE, AT LEAST, I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET BACK THOUGH.
MAYBE, MAYBE THE TOWN ATTORNEY IS TELLING ME THAT IF CERTAIN CON IF CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTS CHANGE, WE, WE COULD, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE ABSOLUTELY WANT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, WITHIN REASON, UH, I, I WON'T SAY BUSY, BUSY SHOPPING CENTERS, BUT, BUT VIBRANT SHOPPING CENTERS.
UM, AND SO THESE ARE JUST, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M, I'M WEIGHING RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.
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OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? MR. PATEL? IS THERE ANY, UH, VACANCIES OTHER THAN THE GEN KOREAN SPACE? NO.I JUST NOTE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL LOVE THIS, BUT IT'S A PERMISSIVE, SO UNLIKE SOME OTHER APPROVALS THAT COME BEFORE THE BOARD, THAT IF THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A, A GUARANTEE THIS IS A PERMISSIVE APPROVAL.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IF YOU SATISFY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE, AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATION, IT'S THE PLANNING BOARD MAY GRANT A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
AND IT'S TIED TO, AND IF I'M CORRECT, ISN'T IT TIED TO THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AS WELL? UM, NO, THERE'S CRITERIA FOR THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, UNLIKE MOST OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT COME BEFORE US, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCRETION ON.
UM, AND IT'S BASED UPON, YOU KNOW, THE INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE USES ON THE LOT, REALLY.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PARKING RATIO TODAY IS FIVE IS CAUGHT.
MAYBE YOU HAVE A NUMBER HANDY.
IT'S OVER FIVE TO ONE TODAY AT THE CENTER, WHICH IS SORT OF STANDARD SUBURBAN SHOPPING CENTER, 1980S, SEVENTIES.
WE THINK THAT, AND, AND, AND I REALIZE THAT THE DATA THAT JOHN CANING HAD BROUGHT UP IS THAT RESTAURANTS HAVE A HIGHER USE, UM, THAN FIVE TO ONE.
UM, BUT FOR A SHOPPING CENTER, FIVE TO ONE'S PRETTY CONSERVATIVE.
WELL, AND, AND, AND THE DATA MR. CANNING PRESENTED SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, THAT THE, THE LOT WOULD BE AT 90% CAPACITY.
WHICH 10% IS, IS NOT A LOT OF WIGGLE ROOM.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, MS. ROBINSON? JUST ONE LAST QUESTION.
UM, AS YOU GO TO THE, BACK TO THE EMPLOYEE AREA, THAT LEFT TOP CORNER THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE EMPTY SPACE WHERE THERE'S NO PARKING.
COLETTE, CAN YOU I MAY, UH, GO AHEAD, JUDGE.
I LOST HER WRIST FOR A SECOND.
THOSE SPACES WERE BLANK UNTIL 2023 AND SOMEBODY STRIPED THEM IN.
AND IN MY REVIEW, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU LEAVE THEM STRIPED IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER.
DO I THINK IN THE, IN THE FAR LEFT CORNER, RIGHT? YEAH.
THEY HAD BEEN, OH, JOHN, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WORK THERE.
THEY WERE REMOVED FOR A REASON.
THEY WERE, THEY WEREN'T THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY WERE PUT BACK IN 2023.
UM, AND I MEASURED THEM, AND IT'S LIKE 39 FEET, 40 FEET IS THE STANDARD.
UM, IF YOU NEED PARKING, I THINK THEY'LL WORK.
COULD IT BE COMPACT? COULD IT BE COMPACT? YEAH.
SO THAT WOULD ADD SPACE, COLLETTE, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK INTO? YEAH, I FEEL BETTER ABOUT COMPACT.
OUR COMPACT SPACE IS APPLICABLE TO THE CA UH, I BELIEVE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE HAS LOOKED AT THE POTENTIAL FOR COMPACT IN THE CA, BUT WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NOPE.
IS IS, I'M, I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE A DA SPACES.
THIS, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ENOUGH FOR, FOR A RESTAURANT AT THIS MAGNITUDE.
I MEAN, IT'S, THE SPACES ARE BASED ON THE, HOW MUCH PARKING YOU HAVE OVERALL.
SO FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING SPACES WE, OR FOR THE AMOUNT OF PARKING WE HAVE HERE, WHICH IS BETWEEN 300 AND 400, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 8 88 PARKING SPACES.
SO WE HAVE EIGHT RIGHT NOW, AND THEN WE'RE, AND THEN TWO AT CHASE, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE ADDED IN HERE NEXT TO THE RESTAURANT.
AND, AND I, I GUESS IN THE, IN THE LITTLE TIME WE HAVE LEFT, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME SLIGHT MODIFICATIONS TO THE, TO THE SEATING PLAN.
UM, COULD, COULD, COULD THE APPLICANT WALK THROUGH THOSE BRIEFLY? JOHN MCKAY, I'M GONNA HAND THAT OFF TO YOU.
YEAH, JOHN, I'M NOT SURE WE HEAR YOU.
UM, SO IN THE, UH, LETTER WE SUBMITTED, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT, WE ELIMINATED, UH, A TWO TOP THERE IN THE GREEN
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SECTION THAT IS THE CORRIDOR THAT CUTS BETWEEN OUR, OUR SUSHI AREA AND OUR BARBECUE AREA.THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT FLOW AND SIGNAGE, WHICH, UM, IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SIGNS WITH THE RESTROOMS THIS WAY, THIS WAY, WHATEVER WAY THEY MAY BE FOR THE LOGICAL FLOW FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO GET TO AND FROM THE RESTROOMS. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO? YES.
I COLETTE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT.
IT WAS, IT WAS, I HAVE THE LETTER HERE.
AND SO YOU'RE PROPOSING THREE DIRECTIONAL, UH, WAY, WAY FINDING SIGNS, UM, AND ELIMINATING THAT, THAT TWO TOP.
SO I MEAN THE, THE SIGNS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IF I'M A CONSUMER WALKING THROUGH AND THOSE WOULD BE THE, THE MOST LOGICAL PLACES TO PLACE THE SIGNAGE.
OTHER THAN ASKING YOUR SERVER OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
THAT'S WHAT I, AND, AND I, I KNOW, UM, I KNOW THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR HAD SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IN HER MEMO.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE JUST READ THROUGH THEM FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND THEN I, I HOPE, UH, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T ASSUME YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS, SO WOULD LOVE TO GET ANSWERS UNLESS YOU DO, BUT SOME OF 'EM ARE, ARE I WISH I DID, BUT I DON'T.
I'M HAVING MY, UH, ARCHITECTS LOOK AT THAT.
AND I FORWARDED TO THEM, UM, MY ARCHITECT IS A VERY DEDICATED INDIVIDUAL.
HE SENT ME A, AN EMAIL LAST NIGHT AT EIGHT 30 THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL HAVE TO, UH, GREAT.
THEY'LL HAVE TO DIG INTO IT FURTHER.
IF, IF OUR, IF OUR CALCULATION ON THE DEPLOYING IS WRONG, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXPAND OUR, EXPAND OUR PLUMBING FACILITIES, WHICH WILL FURTHER REDUCE SEATS.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HERE, THERE, IT, IT ADDS UP SURE.
IN TERMS OF PLEASING THE, UH, THE BLACK AND WHITE NATURE OF THE CODE.
DO YOU WANNA READ THROUGH THE QUESTIONS OR SUMMARIZE THE QUESTIONS, OR DO YOU THINK IT'S WORTH IT? IT, IT'S FAIRLY TECHNICAL.
UM, THE APPLICANT AS INDICATED WAS JUST PROVIDED, UM, THIS INFORMATION YESTERDAY.
SO THEY'RE CERTAINLY WORKING WITH THEIR TEAM THROUGH IT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO POST THIS ON THE WEB.
YOU KNOW, UH, UNDER THE ACTIVE APPLICATIONS TAB.
BUT A LOT OF IT, UM, IT'S ALSO NOT A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW AS INDICATED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
WE HAD A TEAM, UH, MEETING BETWEEN TOWN STAFF AND THE PROJECT TEAM, UH, EARLIER.
AND, UM, THERE COULD BE, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE PERCEIVED THAT THESE ARE THE LAST AND FINAL COMMENTS OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
TYPICAL, IF I RECITE THEM, THEY HAVE A BIG BITE AT THE APPLE LATER, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, THIS IS JUST A, A PREVIEW.
I MEAN, AS THIS IN EARLY BETTING ON THE CALL OKAY.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
UM, DO WE WANNA SCHEDULE THIS FOR TWO WEEKS TIME OR? I THINK, UM, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE AVAILABILITY ON THE MEETING FOR MARCH 18TH.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO SAVE, UM, TIME FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
BUT IT REALLY IS IN THE APPLICANT'S LAP NOW TO RESPOND TO EVERYTHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S MEMO, COMMENTS ISSUED BY MR. CANNING.
AND IF WE CAN GET ALL THAT TOGETHER A WEEK FROM TODAY, I KNOW THAT SAME, SAME, A SAME THING.
THEN THERE IS SUFFICIENT SPACE ON THE 18TH AGENDA.
I WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA BE ON THE 18TH.
WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY BEHIND THIS ONE.
AND YOU'VE BEEN VERY, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIVE IN TERMS OF YOUR TIMEFRAMES AND GETTING US MATERIALS.
SO STAFF SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO TENTATIVELY SCHEDULE IT FOR MARCH 18TH.
FOR A FOLLOW UP WORK SESSION SUBJECT TO SUBMISSION BY, AND, AND LET ME ADD THAT, LIKE FOR THE EMPLOYEE PARKING PLAN, I WOULD HAVE THAT AS A CONDITION, UM, OF APPROVAL SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE PLAN NECESSARILY WORKED OUT BY NEXT WEEK.
BUT IT'S NOT A HARD THING TO PUT TOGETHER.
AND IT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT WITHIN A SET NUMBER OF, COULD SET SOME SORT OF TIME IN ORDER FOR US TO PUT THAT TOGETHER, UM, AND, AND SUBMIT
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IT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR, THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL TO, TO SHOW THAT WE HAD ADHERED TO THAT CONDITION.IN A, IN A NARRATIVE RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, GETTING INFORMATION TO US ON HOW MANY SPACES ARE ACROSS THE BACK, YOU KNOW.
IF YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON HOW MANY EMPLOYEES MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, ARE WITHIN THE OTHER YEAH.
OR THE EMPLOYEES THING IS A FUNNY THING TOO, BECAUSE IT'S THEIR HOURS.
UM, BUT IF WE CAN GUESSTIMATE ON THAT, IF YOU COULD GET, YOU KNOW, IF THE GUESSTIMATE WAS YEAH.
ACROSS THE TENANTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THERE COULD BE, I'M GONNA THROW OUT A WILD NUMBER, BUT 150 EMPLOYEES AND YOU ONLY HAVE 50 SPACES IN THE BACK.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT REASONABLE TO SAY ALL EMPLOYEES OF THE CENTER.
YOU MUST PARK IN THE BACK 'CAUSE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE THE AVAILABILITY.
SO WE WOULD GET ALL THIS INFORMATION TO YOU WITHIN THE WEEK.
WE WOULD BE ON THE MARCH 18TH SCHEDULE.
FOR, FOR A WORK SESSION OR FOR A PUBLIC DO WORK SESSION, CAN WE GO TO THE PUBLIC SESSION? SO IF, UM, IF AT THAT TIME WE, THE BOARD HAS ALL THE INFORMATION, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SORT OF ALL ON THE SAME PAGE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK AT THAT TIME THEY WOULD SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE, THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ULTIMATELY UP TO THE BOARD.
SO IT COULD BE THAT SAME NIGHT, NOT THAT SAME NIGHT.
OH, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN.
WE NEED THE INFORMATION BEFORE WE CAN SCHEDULE IT.
AND THEN THE NEXT HEARING, WHICH WOULD BE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT COULD BE TWO WEEKS.
WOULD WE BE PRESENTING EVERYTHING OVER AGAIN? OR IS IT LIKE WHERE YOU GUYS JUST VOTE AND LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC YOU WOULD PRESENT.
AND THEN LET THE PUBLIC SPEAK.
SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPONDED TO AND OKAY.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THERE IS A SHORT TURNAROUND BETWEEN THE MEETING ON MARCH 18TH AND GREAT.
THE FOLLOWING MEETING AFTER THAT.
BUT THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING NOTICING REQUIREMENT TIMEFRAME.
SO DEPENDING ON THAT SUBMISSION.
ON THE, ON THE 11TH, WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSIONS 'CAUSE THE CHAIR SETS THE SCHEDULE.
SO IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SET AT A MEETING HERE UPON VOTE BY THE BOARD.
WE'LL SEE WHERE WE'RE AT AND IF WE CAN HIT THE TIMELINES, WE WILL, I THINK THIS BOARD IS, YOU KNOW, SHOWN THAT IT'S WILLING TO SCHEDULE THE PROJECT ABSOLUTELY.
AND, AND FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM FROM, FROM THE LETTER.
SO YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T INTEND TO SUBMIT, UH, A SIGNED PACKAGE AT THIS TIME AND, AND YOUR PLAN WOULD BE TO COME BACK LATER.
'CAUSE IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, TIMING, YOU KNOW, TIMING, RIGHT.
IF, IF IT, I, I THINK IT, SO THERE'S, SO FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR, I, I THINK YOU MIGHT NEED VARIANCES.
AND SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER STEP.
THAT'S, THAT'S, SO I'M GONNA DEFER OVER TO JOHN FROM JEN KOREAN ON THAT AS THEIR CALL TO GO IN SEPARATELY FOR THAT.
UM, I KNOW ON OUR END WE WANNA GET THIS APPROVED SO WE CAN START DOING THE LANDLORD'S WORK, WHICH IS SURE.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN CHECK IN WITH BUILDING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE PACKAGE COMES IN, YOU'RE PROCEEDING WELL WITH THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT THEN IT TURNS OUT YOU NEED A VARIANCE FOR SIGNAGE.
THERE MAY BE, WE CAN CHECK WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, LIKE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE THAT MEETS CODE WHILE THEY PURSUE.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT HOLDING UP EVERYTHING, BUT WITH, WITH THEIR, WITH THEIR, THEIR SIGNAGE PACKAGE.
HOLD UP ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT FOR OUR WORK.
IF WE GOT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND THE, THE PARKING REDUCTION WORKED OUT FOR A BUILDING FRONT YES.
SO, SO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEY DON'T ISSUE PERMITS BASED ON THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING INSIDE OF THE SPACE.
AND, AND THEY WANNA SEE THE SIGN PACKAGE AS WELL.
WE'LL HAVE TO SPEAK WITH THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA, WE'RE USED TO THAT BEING A VERY SEPARATE THING.
LIKE FOR, IT MAY VERY WELL THINK FOR BEST BUY AND SPROUTS, THEY HAD TO PURSUE THEIR OWN, THEY CAN DO THE INTERIOR VARIS AND WE YEAH.
WE HAD TO, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE INTERIOR.
THEY GONNA NEED BEFORE THEY CAN GET APPROVAL TO, BEFORE THEY CAN PUT A SIGNED ON.
AND I LIKE THAT QUESTION TO CLEAR.
IF THERE IS A NEED FOR A SIGNED VARIANCE, DOES THAT COME BACK TO THIS BOARD? UH, THAT,
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THAT, THAT GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS ZONING.FYI AND YOU NEED TO SUBMIT BY THE FIFTH PRIOR TO THE 15TH OF THE MONTH AND PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL MEETING.
SO, SO WHEN WE WERE GONNA BE SUBMITTING THE SIGNED PACKAGE TO YOU, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAD REQUESTED.
WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO RULE ON THAT THEN? NO.
BUT IF A VARIANCE WAS REQUIRED, YOU'D HAVE TO DEFER IT TO THEM.
THIS BOARD WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY ISSUED A RECOMMENDATION ON THE VARIANCE WEIGH ON IT TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AND, AND BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE THE, WE'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT, WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED OFF YEAH.
I MEAN, I THINK, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE ZONING BOARD HAS BEEN REASONABLE WITH THE TENANTS THAT HAVE PURSUED THEM RECENTLY.
UM, SPROUTS AND BEST BUY, WHICH ARE YEAH.
UM, CAN I JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD, I, HOW, WHAT, HOW MUCH RESPECT I HAVE FOR A FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL.
IT'S COMING HERE ON, ON A WEDNESDAY EVENING WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL ON A WEDNESDAY EVENING.
SEEING NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT, UH, 9:36 PM SO MOVED.
SECOND MS. ANDERSON MEETING IS ADJOURNED.