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[ DRAFT TOWN OF GREENBURGH HISTORIC LANDMARKS & PRESERVATION BOARD Tuesday, March 10, 2026 – 7:00 P.M.]
MR. SCHMIDT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CALL RO? SURE.AND NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE BELIEVE MR. DE DECIDES ON HIS WAY.
I, UM, I, UM, I WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 10TH.
I FOUND ONE MINOR CORRECTION ON NUMBER THREE A, THE THIRD SENTENCE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE SEARS CA, UH, KIT GARAGE.
AND IT SAYS, UH, COULD BE LANDMARKED DUE TO ITS RARITY.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE I SAID THAT.
I KNOW WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT MAYBE MR. KLAMMER WOULD LIKE TO LANDMARK HIS HOUSE.
UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS, UM, PRESERVE THAT GARAGE.
IF ANYBODY IN THE, UM, SEARS, UM, CATALOG CLUB WANTS IT.
AND THERE IS ANOTHER ONE WE MIGHT END UP TALKING ABOUT TOO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED.
CARL, YOU, YOU, ARMENIA? OKAY.
UM, UNDER CORRESPONDENCE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
I HAVE, UH, QUITE A FEW THINGS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE A RESOLUTION, YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A BIT, UM, TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT MORE ALTERNATES.
OUR LEGISLATION DOES NOT, UM, INCLUDE AN ALTERNATE.
BUT IF WE'RE DOWN TO FIVE, AN ALTERNATE, I BELIEVE MR. COR, UH, MR. DESAI HAS JUST WALKED IN.
AND I THINK THAT IF WE COULD GET AN AT LEAST ONE ALTERNATE, MAYBE TWO, IT WOULD MEAN CHANGING SOME OF OUR LEGISLATION OR JUST INCLUDING MAYBE AN EXTRA PARAGRAPH.
AND I THINK IT'S A NEEDY, I THINK IT'S NEEDED AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? MAY I ENTERTAIN A, A RESOLUTION, UM, SUGGESTING THAT WE ASK MR. LIEBERMAN, OUR ATTORNEY TO, UM, CHANGE OUR BYLAWS AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD? IT WON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT, UM, I HAPPEN TO THINK THAT'S THE WAY WE SHOULD BE GOING.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT, UM, A MOTION STATING THAT MOTION TO ACCEPT IT.
A UH, I, AFTER LOOKING AT OUR MINUTES, WHICH I THINK AARON HAS, MR. SCHMIDT HAS DONE A FABULOUS JOB.
UM, MOST OF THE BOARDS ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT FORMAL AND I JUST, I GUESS THE SOUTHERN WAY HAS, UM, WE CAN THINK ABOUT THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THIS CHAIRPERSON, OSHA, DEPUTY PLANNING, BOARD COMM PLANNING COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT.
COULD WE JUST SAY, IF WE HAVE TO BE THAT FORMAL MISS ANNETTE, MR. CARL, THAT'S THE SOUTHERN WAY DOWN HERE.
AND, UM, COULD YOU HAVE AN, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER SUGGESTION, SO THAT WE'RE NOT TERRIBLY INFORMAL, BUT DEFINITELY NOT STARCHY ANY THOUGHTS? YEAH.
YEAH, BUT THAT GETS SO WORDY THEN.
WELL, I, I MIGHT ADDRESS YOU AS MS. ANNETTE.
THAT'S HOW I'M ADDRESSED DOWN HERE.
SO ALL MY FRIENDS' CHILDREN CALL ME, YOU KNOW, THEY DO DO IT THAT WAY.
A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE WORK WITH TOO, WHEN I CALL, IT'S,
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THEY ALWAYS CALL ME OR THEY CALL ME.THEY ASK FOR MISS ANNETTE OR MISS.
UM, I'M GOING TO NEED ANOTHER RESOLUTION AT SOME POINT DURING THIS MEETING.
UM, I WANNA GO THROUGH THE AGENDA.
I AM GOING TO PUT OFF, ONCE AGAIN, E AND B AND, UH, UNDER WORK SESSION STONEWALL OF GREENBURG.
WELL, I'LL TELL YOU A SMIDGEN ABOUT THAT.
I SENT A NOTE TO OUR TOWN CLERK BECAUSE SHE IS IN CHARGE OF INTERNS AND ASKING COULD WE GET A SUMMER INTERN WHO WILL GO AROUND AND PHOTOGRAPH THE WALLS OF GREENBERG AND IF, AND WHATEVER HISTORY SHE CAN LOOK UP ABOUT THEM.
AND I OFFERED TO MENTOR THIS PERSON, AND IF SHE CAN GET CREDIT IN SCHOOL, I WOULD CORRECT.
OR WHATEVER WHAT SHE WROTE OR WILL WRITE OR PHOTOGRAPH SOMEBODY.
UM, SOMEBODY IN THE ALTERNATIVE SCHOOL AT EDGEMONT DID SOMETHING ABOUT THE BARNS OF GREENBURG, PHOTOGRAPHED IT AND TOLD WHO PROBABLY CONSTRUCTED IT.
UM, PEOPLE ON, ON OLD ARMY ROAD ONCE HAD TWO BARNS.
AND I'M CALLED, I, I, I CAN CORRECT IT AND SHE CAN GET CREDIT FOR IT BECAUSE I, I THINK I STILL HOLD A TEACHING LICENSE.
UM, I, AND, UH, LISA MARIE, EXCUSE ME, THE TOWN CLERK OFFERED TO COME TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.
UM, AND SO I WILL INVITE HER MAYBE NEXT MEETING OR THE MEETING AFTER, IF THAT'S AGREEABLE TO EVERYBODY.
HOWEVER, WE'RE RUNNING IN CONFLICT WITH, UH, THE TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION.
SO WHETHER SHE CAN COME FOR AN ENTIRE MEETING, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE HER HERE.
AT LEAST THEN SHE'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT WE DO.
UH, WHAT WE, WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS, WHAT WE DO DO, HOW WE HAVE TO GO ABOUT IT, ET CETERA.
AND, UM, IF WE'RE GOING OFF ON A SITE VISIT THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SHOW HER THAT ALSO, UM, IT PROBABLY WOULD BE WORTHWHILE.
IS THERE, DID ANYBODY ELSE GET, UM, ANY CORRESPONDENCE THIS MONTH ON ANY SUBJECT THAT WE DEAL WITH? OKAY.
OKAY, LET'S START THE WORK SESSION THEN.
UM, YOU ALL GOT THE PAPER ON OLD WHITE PLAINS ROAD? UH, YES.
UH, COMMENTS, DISCUSSION? I, I HAVEN'T, I'VE BEEN WORKING MY WAY THROUGH A LOT OF IT, BUT I ALSO NOTICED THAT ON ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE SENT THAT HE FOUND, UM, AND POINTS OUT THAT GREENBERG WAS NOT UNDER GREENBERG ON THE STATE LISTINGS, THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THERE FOR A BIT STAGE COACH, BUT THE SIGN ACTUALLY DOESN'T READ THAT.
AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF I SENT IT TO EVERYBODY, BUT I KNOW I DID FIND A COPY OF IT, UM, IN ONE OF THE HISTORICAL SITES THAT, UM, IT'S LIKE THE THIRD FROM THE BOTTOM.
SO YEAH, I DID SEE SOMETHING ON THE INTERNET AS WELL.
UM, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT'S TEAM HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TOUCH BASE WITH THE TARRYTOWN HISTORICAL SOCIETY TODAY.
SO I WAS GONNA READ AN EMAIL INTO THE RECORD.
AND, UM, MR. SORO, YOU'RE HERE ON BEHALF OF 5 99.
SO I WAS GONNA READ THAT EMAIL INTO THE RECORD FOR THE BOARD'S BENEFIT, AND THEN I CAN CIRCULATE THIS TO THE BOARD, UH, FOLLOWING TONIGHT'S MEETING.
SO THEY WERE IN TOUCH, UM, WITH, UH, SARAH FROM THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND WHAT SHE INDICATES HERE IN THE EMAIL FROM THIS AFTERNOON, UH, ATTACHED THE ATTACHED IMAGES ARE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PAPERS AND MAPS IN THE FILES OF THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY.
SORRY, THAT THEY ARE PHOTOS AND NOT SCANS, BUT WE CAN SCAN THEM IN ON THURSDAY.
I BELIEVE THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE
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NEXT OPENED.ATTACHED IS A HAND-DRAWN MAP AFTER THE COMMISSIONERS OF FORFEITURE MAP AND A LETTER WRITTEN BY COLONEL ROWE WHEN HE PROPOSED PLACING THE SIGN IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN THE 1960S.
ATTACHED IS THE, THE TITLE PAGE AND THE PAGE LISTING OF THE PROPERTY PURCHASE BY WILLIAM JEFF JEFFERS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OF FORFEITURE.
ATTACHED IS A SECTION AND CLOSEUP FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S MAP ON THE WALL AT THE SOCIETY.
ATTACHED ARE TWO PAGES FROM THE HISTORIC AMERICAN BUILDING SURVEY OF THE BUILDING COMPLETED IN 1963.
ATTACHED IS A DESCRIPTION OF THE 18TH CENTURY EVENTS LISTED AT THE SITE FROM HISTORIAN HENRY STEINER'S BOOK ON PLACE NAMES LAST.
THERE IS A 1972 ARTICLE ON THE CHAPEL FROM THE TERRYTOWN DAILY NEWS.
AS I MENTIONED, WE MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
I DO HAVE A COPY OF JACOB CONKLIN'S.
WILL THE FIRST INDIVIDUAL LISTED IN THE CHAIN OF TITLE, ALTHOUGH NO SPECIFIC STRUCTURES ARE IDENTIFIED.
SORRY, I DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO FOLLOW UP ON HOW HE ACQUIRED A PRO THE PROPERTY, BUT WE'LL TRY TO DO SO AS SOON AS I'M ABLE.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, THEN JUST A FEW MINUTES LATER, THERE WAS A FOLLOW-UP EMAIL, UH, TO CHRISTOPHER BURINO.
CHRIS, I FORGOT TO ADD A CLOSEUP OF THE 1851 MAP OF WESTCHESTER, WHICH ALSO SHOWS THE TWO HOUSES DEPICTED ON THE COMMISSIONER'S MAP IN THE SAME LOCATIONS.
BY 1851, THEY HAD STRAIGHTENED BENEDICT AVENUE, KNOWN AS NEW ROAD, AND THE CRUNK AND APPLEBEE HOUSES ARE AT THE END OF THE NEW ROAD.
THES WERE THE OWNERS AT THE TIME AND ARE LISTED IN THE CHAIN OF TITLE.
THE FACT THAT THE TWO BUILDINGS SHOWN ON THE COMMISSIONER'S MAP FROM 17 85 17 86 DO SEEM TO BE IN THE SAME LOCATION ON THE 1851 MAP IS LIKELY THE REASON IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE HOUSES WERE OF THE 18TH CENTURY.
THE ALBEE HOUSE WAS THE ONE THAT BURNED DOWN IN 1917, WHICH IS MENTIONED IN THE ROW LETTER, SARAH.
SO THAT WHAT CAME IN THIS AFTER LATE THIS AFTERNOON.
AND YOU WILL, BUT WE CAN'T CLICK ON THE ATTACH.
I JUST, I'M, I'M, UM, YOU'LL SEND HARD COPIES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE SENT AND EMAIL THE REST OF IT OR WHATEVER AND SO FORTH.
UM, I ALSO HAVE, UM, SOME QUESTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW THAT I DON'T BELIEVE I, I, I DIDN'T READ THE ANSWERS.
HOW, HOW, LET ME JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.
UM, WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE CHAPEL? I AM LOATH TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO, UM, DEMOLISH IT.
I'M ALWAYS OF THE OPINION THAT HOUSES OF WORSHIP AND CEMETERIES NEED TO BE DECOMMISSIONED.
MS. ANNETTE, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU REMEMBER ABOUT GOING THERE? AND WAS IT CATHOLIC OR EPISCOPALIAN? THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE RELIGION WAS.
I REMEMBER GOING THERE WITH MY MOM.
UM, I REMEMBER MY GODFATHER GOING FROM TARRYTOWN OVER THERE ALL THE TIME.
HIS WIFE WAS SCOTTISH, AND I THINK SHE WENT TO ONE OF THE, UM, SHE WENT TO MORE OF A NON-SECTARIAN CHURCH, BUT HE ALWAYS WENT THERE ALL THE TIME.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS EVER SURFACES, BUT I KNOW THAT MY, WHEN I WENT WITH MY PARENT, WITH MY MOM AND HIM, THERE WAS ALWAYS CANDLES.
THEY WOULD ALWAYS LIGHT A CANDLE.
THEY WOULD SAY THE ROSARY OR WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO DO.
AND THEN WE'D GET UP AND WE'D LEAVE.
AND I, I DID THAT FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS AS A, AS A YOUNG GIRL.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS BUILT.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING MORE ABOUT IT THAN THAT.
I WASN'T INTO OLD PLACES THEN.
WAS THERE A PRIEST THERE OR A NO, NOBODY WAS EVER THERE THAT EVERY TIME I WENT, JUST THE DOOR WAS OPEN, WENT IN AND YOU CAME OUT AND YOU CLOSED THE DOOR.
NEVER SAW ANYBODY, NEVER SAW ANYBODY EVEN WALKING AROUND THE PLACE.
IT SOUNDS ALMOST LIKE A FAMILY CHAPEL, BUT I DON'T SEE A FAMILY HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE BIG HOUSES, IT MIGHT BEEN SOME, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN BUILT WITH SOMEBODY THAT LIVED IN THE HOUSE AT SOME POINT.
OR MAYBE BUILT WITH THE ONE HOUSE THAT BURNED DOWN.
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I, UM, THE, UM, INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING IS WONDERFUL.UM, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CHAPEL.
I THINK THAT WE NEED SOME DATES.
WE NEED, WE NEED, UM, HISTORIC ARCH ARCHEOLOGISTS PROBABLY TO GIVE US THE DATE OF THE CHAPEL.
GIVE US THE DATE OF THE WELL, WHICH REALLY NEEDS TO BE, UM, PROBABLY EXCAVATED IN SOME WAY BECAUSE PEOPLE THREW THINGS DOWN WELLS IN THE OLD DAYS.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET WHAT WE CAN GET OUT OF IT.
UM, I'M SORT OF CURIOUS AS TO WHEN ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS QUESTION MARK AND THAT GORGEOUS BRICK WALL WERE BUILT, UM, WHETHER OR NOT GREENBURG WAS INVOLVED IN IT RIGHT NOW.
I JUST, I JUST NEED TO KNOW, OR WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OR THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO KNOW, UM, WHEN ALL THESE BUILDINGS OR THINGS HAPPENED ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND THE OTHER THING, I CANNOT MAKE HEAD OR TAIL OUT OF THE PLANS.
SO IF THERE ARE BIG PLANS THAT SHOW ONE OR TWO STORES IN THE, AND THEN THE HA AND THEN THE APARTMENTS ABOVE, UM, THAT WOULD BE, I COULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, SO THE, THE PIECE THAT THE BUILDING THAT'S UP ABOVE IS, UM, I THINK IT'S CALLED BRIGHTVIEW.
UM, BUT I RE I REMEMBER, I THINK IT TOOK A COUPLE OF DRIVEWAYS ON A PAPER STREET UP THERE WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING IT.
THERE WAS, THERE'S A PAPER STREET UP IN THE BACK THERE, CERTAINLY A PAPER STREET TO THE WEST.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE NORTH, BUT, UM, THERE WAS A PAPER STREET, I BELIEVE COLEMAN, PARIS.
BUT THAT'S ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, BECAUSE THERE WAS A HOUSE THAT WAS, THERE WERE A COUPLE HOMES ON THAT SITE.
THERE WAS ONE MAN THAT WAS LIKE, HE WAS LOSING HIS DRIVEWAY, OR MOST OF IT ARE PART OF IT.
REMEMBER THAT I WAS TRYING TO LOOK FOR THE ATTACHMENT OF THE 1972 ARTICLE ON THE CHAPEL.
UM, I WANTED TO GIVE THE APPLICANT OR APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD ANY TIME TO LOOK THROUGH ANY OF THIS DOCUMENTATION, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THEY MIGHT WANT TO ADD.
UM, YEAH, JUST BRIEFLY REVIEWED THE DOCUMENTS.
UM, UM, YEAH, THERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU READ IS PRETTY ACCURATE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE FOUND SO FAR.
UM, AS FAR AS THE DATES, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME ARE QUESTIONABLE STILL, BUT, UM, NOT MUCH OTHER INFORMATION IS COMING UP.
UM, THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST SOURCE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO REACH OUT TO.
WE, WE WENT TO SEVERAL, UH, AIR UH, DEPARTMENTS, UH, TO TRY TO TAKE UP SOME INFORMATION.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE, THE LAST ITEM WOULD BE TO GET AN ARCHEOLOGIST TO MAYBE DATE THE MATERIAL, UM, JUST TO MAYBE GET SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, NARROW DOWN, DOWN A DATE.
UM, BUT WE COULD KIND OF PIECE TOGETHER SOME THINGS.
BUT, UH, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD BRING TO THE TABLE AS OF YET.
UM, AND, UM, WE, WE DO KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE ANTIQUE PORTION THAT, UM, OF, OF THE, OF THE BUILDING IS WHAT WE ARE FINDING A LOT OF INFORMATION ON.
BUT AS FAR AS ANY OTHER STRUCTURE BESIDES THE, I THINK THE SHED IN THE BACK, I THINK IT WAS LIKE THEY MENTIONED IT WAS, UM, WHAT WAS, UH, THE GARAGE? THAT GARAGE IN THE BACK WAS, UH, I THINK, UH, WHERE THEY WERE, WHERE THE COWS USED TO STAY, I BELIEVE.
UH, SO, UM, I THINK IT WAS IN ONE OF THE ARTICLES THAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED, UM, THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, SO BESIDES THAT, THE CHAPEL, WE CAN'T GET ANYTHING ON THAT.
THE HOUSE, WE DO HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF, YOU KNOW, FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS THAT IT, YOU KNOW, THEY DID DO RENOVATIONS TO ADD TO THE EXISTING ANTIQUE BUILDING.
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THEY THAT I'VE SEEN, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PICTURES ON THE WALL, THE OLD BOOKS.WHAT, WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THAT? I DID THE DOCUMENT.
I SENT IT OUT TO A COUPLE, UM, COMMERCIAL ENTITIES TO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD POSSIBLY BE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING OR, UH, WOULD, WOULD ACTUALLY DONATING FOR THEM TO, UH, REUSE.
UM, MAJORITY OF, UH, PLACES I CALLED AND EMAILED, UH, DIDN'T FIND MUCH USE OF THE ITEMS THERE.
UM, SOME WERE TOO FAR TO EVEN COME AND TAKE A LOOK, BUT THE OTHERS, UH, WERE PRETTY, UM, CLEAR THAT, UM, IT, THEY DON'T HAVE USE OF IT FOR THEMSELVES.
UM, DID YOU CALL, UH, THESE ARE, THIS IS FOR, WHAT WERE YOU LOOKING FOR TO GET RID OF FROM OR TO SELL? THERE WAS BASICALLY, UM, A LOT OF THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL, UM, THE, THE WOOD CLAD.
UM, SINCE THAT, UM, IS PART OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, UH, THERE WAS SOME IRON WORK ON THE EXTERIOR, SOME GATES, UM, THE INTERIOR DOORS.
UM, WHAT ABOUT, DID YOU LOOK FOR THE BOOKS? BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE OF PLACES DOWN IN THE CITY THAT BUY OLD BOOKS AND ANTIQUE BOOKS, STRANDS, UH, STRANDS.
AND ANOTHER ONE NOT FAR FROM STRAND.
WHAT ABOUT THE YEAH, ALL OF THAT STUFF WAS DOCUMENTED.
I, I TOOK PICTURES OF ALL OF THAT STUFF AND I DID PUT IT IN, IN EMAIL, WHICH I, I DID FORWARD TO AARON AS WELL, UH, UH, WITH, WITH ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WE SENT OUT FOR, UM, UH, OTHER COMPANIES TO TAKE A LOOK AT TO SEE IF THEY COULD REUSE IT.
UM, DID YOU HEAR ANYTHING? SO I HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE THAT BASICALLY HAD, HAD INTEREST IN IT AS OF YET.
SO, UM, THAT WAS BACK IN, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY ROUGHLY TWO WEEKS AGO.
DID YOU HEAR, HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING BACK SINCE, UM, FROM EITHER BACK IN TIME, VINTAGE, VINTAGE HOME DECOR, NEW YORK SALVAGE OR, UM, AMINI ARCHITECTURAL? THE ONLY ONE THAT ACTUALLY GAVE, SENT ME AN EMAIL BACK OR WAS INTERESTED IN SIGN
THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GET RID OF RIGHT NOW.
EVEN, EVEN THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY IS WILLING TO USE THAT AS PART OF HIS BUILDING.
WELL, THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SO WE, I I KNEW THAT WASN'T GOING
THERE'S A PLACE ON PURCHASE STREET IN RYE.
THEY MAY ONLY HANDLE WOODEN OBJECTS.
IT, IT, I, BUT YOU CAN LOOK IT UP.
UM, WHAT I DID WAS, I DON'T, I, BUT I JUST PUT PURCHASE STREET RYE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER IF I SAID, UM, UM, REHAB OR REFURBISH ITEMS OR WHATEVER.
BUT I KNOW THAT IT'S ON PURCHASE STREET AND RYE.
I KNOW WHERE IT IS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT.
THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED AMERICAN RECLAIMED IN AUTHENTIC ANTI LUMBER.
THAT I GAVE THAT TO, UM, WHAT'S HER NAME? THE PREVIOUS SECRETARY THERE? THAT ONE.
I GAVE HER THREE OR FOUR OF THEM.
THEM, YOU SEE, I WOULDN'T, I, THERE IS SO MUCH BRICK THERE THAT IT JUST CAN'T GO INTO LANDFILLS.
AND SO I WOULD THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO EITHER BE USED ON SITE OR IT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN BECAUSE IT, LOOK, THE WALL ITSELF LOOKS RELATIVELY NEW CONSIDERING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A HOUSE WHOSE BONES DATE PREDATE ALL OF US.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE MY PROBLEM COMES IN, THAT THE LAND, I MEAN, WE WOULD RATHER SEE REUSE, REPURPOSE DECONSTRUCTION THAN FILL A LANDFILL.
AND GIVEN WHAT'S ON THAT PROPERTY, GIVEN THE SIZE OF TWO BOULDERS, UH, I MEAN, THEY WOULD MAKE LOVELY GARDEN CENTERPIECES, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM TO A, A GARDEN SHOP OR SOMETHING.
BUT I THAT IF YOU COULD, YOU'VE DONE A FABULOUS JOB.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM USED, THE BRICKS USED ON THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND ON
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ANYTHING ELSE.I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SEE THE WALLS.
IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE DOWN THE WALLS, THEN YOU NEED TO REPURPOSE THE STONE, BECAUSE THAT'S FIELD STONE.
AND WE ARE, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT IDEA, UM, WHETHER WE REUSE IT OR, OR STORE IT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO REUSE IT.
UH, WHEN WE DON'T WANNA JUST GET RID OF IT, WE, WE WANNA, UH, APPLY TO ANOTHER STRUCTURE OR, OR EVEN THE, THE, THE NEW STRUCTURE THAT WE ARE, WE'RE PLANNING ON BUILDING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME KIND OF, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A A TO BUILD, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE PROSPECT IS FOR THE FRONT OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, BECAUSE I CAN'T, I CAN'T ENVISION IT.
YOU HAVE, YOU MAY NOT HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO STUDY.
CAN I ASK STUDY? HAS HE DECIDED, OR CARL, CAN YOU HELP US ON THIS, PLEASE? WHAT'S THE QUESTION? SORRY,
DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF, UH, BUILDING AND, AND COMMERCIAL, UH, MULTI-USE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE, UH, PUT INTO IT.
SO HAS HE DECIDED WHAT HE WANTS TO PUT THEM? UM, BUT IT COULD BE.
SO YOUR HOMEWORK, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WOULD BE, UM, WE NEED TO DATE THE CHAPEL AND KNOW MORE ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, WE DO REALLY PROBABLY NEED EITHER AN ARCHEOLOGIST OR HISTORIC ARCHITECT.
UM, I WERE YOU, ATION WORRIES ME, WERE YOU ABLE TO VIEW THE ATTACHMENT OF THE ARTICLE FROM 1972? 'CAUSE IT DID NOT COME THROUGH IN MY EMAIL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS THAT I DID, WAS UNABLE TO OPEN, UH, FROM, FROM TERRYTOWN.
HOW LONG HAS HE MADE UP HIS MIND WHAT HE IS GONNA BUILD THERE? 'CAUSE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED WITH HIM, HE WASN'T SURE IF HE WAS GONNA BUILD A HOUSE OR A, UH, A, A BUSINESS BUILDING.
SO IT IS ZONED FOR A, A MIXED USE BUILDING.
SO WE WERE GONNA, UM, UH, TAKE, UH, DESIGN SOMETHING THAT HAS A BUSINESS AS WELL AS, UH, A COUPLE APARTMENTS, UH, WITHIN THE LOT.
UM, SO THAT IS INTENTION, WHICH IS KIND OF THE SAME IDEA THAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.
YOU DO HAVE AN ANTIQUE SHOP AND DWELLING BEHIND THERE.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP THE SAME TYPE OF, UH, MIX EXCEPT IT'S GONNA BE, UH, TWO, TWO, UH, DWELLINGS INSTEAD OF ONE.
UM, AND SO THAT'S THE INTENTION TO HAVE A BUSINESS AS WELL AS, UH, UH, COUPLE APARTMENTS MIGHT AS WELL MAKE A BRICK BUILDING OUT OF IT.
YOU'VE GOT THE BRICKS, THEY'RE GONNA COST YOU ANYTHING.
YOU CAN AT LEAST DO THE F THE FRONT FACADE.
THAT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE BRICKS, THEY, TO BE HONEST, THEY, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM LOOKING AT THE BRICKS, THEY DON'T LOOK TOO DATED.
UH, THEY DON'T, UH, THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD SHAPE CONSIDERING.
SO THAT'S, I HAVE A FEELING THE BRICKS WERE DONE PROBABLY, UM, MAYBE EVEN AFTER THE EXTENSION WAS DONE.
UM, THE CHAPEL IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT BRICK, BUT NOT TOO FAR OFF.
UM, SO, BUT A AGAIN, WELL, WE, WE ARE OKAY WITH REUSING IT IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT, UH, UM, WELL, IF THE, THE BRICK WALL IS, I MEAN, I, SOME OF THE BRICKS MAY, YOU KNOW, MAY HAVE DETERIORATED.
ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU THERE'S A PATHWAY WHERE I AM NOW.
UM, AND THE BRICKS ARE DEAD AT 1890.
AND CERTAINLY WE MAKE BRICKS BETTER NOW, I WOULD IMAGINE THAN THEY DID IN 1890.
IF, IF THAT, YEAH, WE, WE CAN COME UP WITH A DESIGN FOR IT.
UM, I ACTUALLY DO LIKE MASONRY MASON RESTRUCTURES.
I, I, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE ALWAYS LOOK, DRAW, DO SOMETHING NICE WITH THE BRICKWORK.
UM, SO, SO WE, WE JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, OWNER IS EAGER TO DO SOMETHING HERE, UM, AND COME TO BASICALLY A, A CONSENSUS ON OKAY.
HOW TO MOVE FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH, WHETHER WE REUSE THE MATERIAL ONSITE OR WE HAVE IT, UM, USED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND WE'RE OKAY WITH EITHER, EITHER OPTION, IT'S FINE, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T GO TO LANDFILL.
CARL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS? UH, NO, NOT, NOT AT THIS POINT.
I, I'M JUST LISTENING AND YEAH, I, I, OKAY, AARON ONE, I, I DID HAVE TWO, TWO THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION.
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IF I RECALL CORRECTLY FROM THE SITE PLAN, THE PARKING AREA IS GONNA BE SITUATED TO THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, AT LEAST ON THE PRELIMINARY OR CONCEPTUAL PLAN.UM, IS THE TEAM, THE PROJECT TEAM AND THE OWNER AWARE THAT THERE WOULD BE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS REQUIRED THROUGH THE TOWN, THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH THAT? YES.
SO, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, AFTER, UH, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP RIGHT? TO JUST TO GO THROUGH THE PLAN PLANNING BOARD.
ONCE WE GET THE OKAY FROM, UH, YOUR COMMITTEE, UM, AND, AND THEN TO, TO PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP, THEN, THEN WE WILL GO WITH, UH, TO, TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, GET A GENERAL, UH, IDEA OF, OF HOW TO LAY THIS ALL OUT WITH THEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOTTA WORK WITH THOSE ZONING REGULATIONS, BUT, UM, RIGHT.
UM, WE WANT TO GET, GET TO THAT PHASE AS WELL.
AND THEN LASTLY, I DON'T THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP THIS EVENING, BUT IT'S BEEN UP, BEEN BROUGHT UP IN PRIOR MEETINGS.
THERE'S A WELL, ON THE PROPERTY MM-HMM
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT OR IF ANY ANYTHING'S BEEN THROWN DOWN THE WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE THAT, I KNOW THAT CHAIRWOMAN HAD BROUGHT THAT UP TO ME, UH, TO BRING UP AGAINST THAT IT NEEDS TO BE DATED AARON.
I, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S 20 20TH CENTURY.
I THINK WELLS WENT OUT BEFORE THAT.
AND IF THE PROPERTY WAS CONNECTED, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A SEPTIC SYSTEM, THEN IT, IT WOULD BE A, UH, CONNECTED TO, UM, THE GREENBURG WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO, UM, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHEN, WHEN THE, WELL, OR AS, AS MUCH AS WE CAN WHEN THE WELL OCCURRED.
WELL, BECAUSE THERE ARE, WELL, A COUPLE OF WELLS ALL AROUND THE TOWN, RIGHT.
SO THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, DATING THE CHAPEL AND, AND ANYTHING ELSE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING UP ON, ON, UM, OLD WHITE PLAINS ROAD? WHAT ABOUT THAT BUILDING THAT RUNS ALONG THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE? THE SORT OF ARTIST, WHAT HE, WHAT DID THEY CALL IT? THE ARTIST AND IT'S A, YEAH.
WHAT'S, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH ANYTHING, WHAT'S INSIDE IT? WE DIDN'T GO IN, NO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE GUY BUILT IT WITH A PERMIT OR NOT.
IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS, UH, OUTTA PLACE AND NOT, UH, TO, UH, THE ZONE OF REGULATION.
SO IT LOOKED LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS ADDED LATER.
IF, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UH, YOU WOULD WANT TO ALSO DEMOLISH OR, OR KEEP IN, IN PLACE? I DON'T THINK YOU NEED IT, DO YOU? NO, NOT, NOT NECESSARILY.
BUT THERE IS, THERE IS BRICK AGAIN.
THAT WITH THE BRICK STRUCTURE.
YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS.
UM, THE OWNER IS ACTUALLY OKAY WITH LEAVING IT SINCE IT IS OUT OF THE WAY, BUT WHATCHA GONNA DO WITH IT? WELL, WELL NOW WAIT A MINUTE.
UM, I THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S, I THINK YOU MIGHT END UP WITH A, A ZONING ISSUE OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, THAT'S UP TO AARON, BUT IT'S OKAY.
I THINK THE GUY, THE GUY, THE MAN THAT WAS THERE THAT DAY, I ASKED HIM ABOUT WHEN IT WAS PUT UP, HE WASN'T SURE, AND HE SAYS, AS FAR AS HE KNEW IT WAS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE'RE OKAY WITH REMOVING IT.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, YOU MIGHT AS WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY AND GET, AND GET THINGS ON THE PROPERTY DATED, LET'S JUST GO DATE EVERYTHING, DATE, THE BRICK WALL DATE, THE CHAPEL DATE, JUST DATE EVERYTHING, GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH, UM, AND, AND SATISFY YOUR QUESTIONS AND THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS.
I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE, SORRY.
UM, MADELINE, I DIDN'T, IS IT OKAY IF I SAY SOMETHING? OF COURSE.
UM, I, I WAS SEARCHING MOST OF THE MEETING HERE FOR AN EMAIL I HAD SENT BACK ON FEBRUARY 13TH, WHICH WAS A RESULT OF A LOT OF RESEARCH I TRIED TO DO ON THE INTERNET.
AND THE, THE TWO PIECES I FOUND THAT WERE INTERESTING WERE THAT THERE WAS AN ERIC WEISSELBERG PHD WHO WAS THE IRVINGTON HISTORIAN AND A FORMER SOCIAL STUDIES TEACHER AT THE IRVINGTON HIGH SCHOOL.
AND HE WROTE ON, ON THE HOUSE, AND HE SAYS THAT ODELL SPENT
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THE NIGHT THERE, HENCE THE FORMER NAME PETTICOAT LANE, BECAUSE THERE'S A, SOME LORE ATTACHED TO HOW HE HAD TO RUN OUT OF THE HOUSE.UM, AND HE SHARES THE DETAILS ONLINE OF, OF, OF THAT.
THERE'S ALSO AN INSTAGRAM POST, WHICH I ALSO COULDN'T FIND.
I CAN FIND IT AT, AT WHEN I'M, YOU KNOW, AT HOME, UM, THAT TALKS ABOUT THE HOUSE IN COLONIAL TIMES, AND IT SAYS IT'S A 17TH CENTURY HOUSE.
THE STRUCTURE, THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, AND, UM, UH, A NUMBER OF OTHER INTERESTING THINGS.
I REACHED OUT TO THE OWNER OF THE POST ON FEBRUARY 13TH.
I ASKED THAT PERSON FOR CORROBORATING INFORMATION SO THAT WE COULD TRY INDEPENDENTLY TRY TO CORROBORATE WHAT HE WAS SAYING.
THE PERSON OF WEISSELBERG FROM IRVINGTON HIGH SCHOOL HAS RETIRED, AND THEY NEVER RETURNED MY EMAILS EITHER.
AND I ALSO CALLED THEM AND LEFT A VOICEMAIL, AND I NEVER HEARD BACK FROM IRVINGTON HIGH SCHOOL ABOUT HIM TO SEE IF WE COULD FOLLOW UP.
BUT THOSE, I MEAN, THOSE TWO SEEM TO POINT IN A DIRECTION THAT'S, THAT'S PROMISING.
BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT THE DOTS AT THIS POINT.
YOU'RE AMAZING, CARL, BECAUSE I CAN'T GET MINE TO DO ANYTHING.
SO I COULD, I COULD HAVE FOUND OUT THE INFORMATION.
I THINK I FOUND IT, BUT I DIDN'T FIND IT ONLINE.
IT WAS IN REPLY TO YOUR MESSAGE, I REPLIED TO YOUR MESSAGE, UH, FROM THE 13TH ALSO, WHEN YOU SAID, ANNETTE, THAT YOU HAD HERE, YOU HAD FOUND, UM, YOU HAD FOUND THE INFORMATION ON THE BLACK.
THE ONLY OTHER PERSON THAT I KNOW, BUT HE'S PASSED ON WAS, UH, WALTER SCHWARTZ FROM LEY, BECAUSE HE WAS A, AND HE WAS A GREAT HISTORIAN.
YOU COULD ASK HIM WHEN WAS THAT PEBBLE PUT THERE, AND HE WOULD TELL YOU 17.
IS HE STILL ALIVE, ANNETTE? NO, HE'S PASSED ON.
BUT I TRIED TO, UM, I HAD PUT IN A COUPLE OF CALLS TO HIM, AND THEN I DID GET A CALL BACK YEARS AGO THAT HE HAD SAID, DO YOU HAVE ANYONE THAT COULD, THAT YOU COULD, UH, REFERENCE, UH, THAT MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME INSIGHT ON, UH, THE DATE OF THE MATERIALS? DO YOU HAVE ANYONE YOU USE BEFORE THAT, THAT COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS? MR. AARON? THAT'S INFORMATION THAT I CAN PASS ALONG.
CARL, UH, YOU, YOU GOT ALL THE RESEARCH.
I THOUGHT MR. CLEMMER WAS IN THE REHAB BUSINESS OF SOME VARIETY OR ANOTHER.
AND YOU WERE THE ONE WHO CAME UP WITH THE INFORMATION ON THE SEARS CATALOG? YEAH, I, I MEAN, I DIDN'T FIND MUCH INFORMATION, HONESTLY.
AND THEY WERE MAINLY FOR THE, THE HOUSES, THE CATALOG HOUSES.
UM, BUT I DID FIND THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF SITES THAT SEEMED, AGAIN, THAT SEEMED PROMISING, BUT WITH NO, NO PAYOFF AS OF YET.
SO I SENT THEM TO AARON, WAS IT, I GUESS.
AND YOU DISSEMINATED THEM, RIGHT? YOU SENT THEM TO EVERYONE? I DID.
I CALLED DOWN TO A FRIEND OF MINE WHO LIVES IN MONTAUK ABOUT THE HOUSES THAT WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT.
AND I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SEARS.
THEY WEREN'T SEARS, THEY WERE MACY'S HOUSES.
OH, WELL, I KNOW MONTGOMERY WARD ALSO DID CATALOG HOUSES, MACY'S.
AND THEY LOOKED JUST LIKE THE SEARS HOUSE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF PLACES DOWN THERE.
UM, HAMPTON, HAMPTON BAY, UH, THERE'S TWO OTHER PLACES DOWN IN THE ISLAND THAT HAD SEARS HOUSES, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY AROUND HERE.
UH, YES, THERE'S ONE IN POET'S CORNERS, UM, BUT POET'S CORNERS DOESN'T PLAY, SO I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT.
IF ANYBODY CAN GET THROUGH TO POET'S CORNERS BE MY GUEST.
I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY UP THERE.
UM, THEY JUST DON'T PLAY FAIR.
I HAD FORWARDED THE INFORMATION TO MR. KLEMMER.
HE RESPONDED, THANKED THE BOARD FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND INDICATED HE WOULD BE GETTING BACK TO ME.
BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING AS OF THIS AFTERNOON.
SO A LOT OF HOUSES BUILT, BUT VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF, UH, GARAGES THAT I FOUND ONLINE.
UM, JUST TO MUDDY THE WATERS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, ON BETHAL KNOWS, THERE'S SUPPOSEDLY PROBABLY NO MORE DERELICT THAN MR. CLEMMER AT THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, NEAR THE NEIGHBORS, A SEARS CATALOG, SOMETHING.
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IN TERRIBLE CONDITION, I'VE BEEN TOLD.UM, BUT I GUESS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THIS IS SHERRY.
I'M HERE IF YOU
I KNOW YOU'RE, I WAS HOPING YOU'D PIPE UP.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, SINCE WE WANT MR. KLEMMER TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN ABANDON HIS AND PUT IT IN LANDFILL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT, UM, EXCUSE ME, BETH EL KNOWLES TO DO THE SAME THING.
SHERI, WILL YOU TALK ABOUT IT? THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY I IS, IS IT'S THE HOUSE THAT'S THERE IS NOT EVEN SALVAGEABLE IN ANY REGARD.
I, I MEAN, I SHOWED YOU THE, IT'S LIKE, LIKE THE ROOF IS FALLING IN.
IT'S LIKE SO BAD THAT IT, AND IT'S ONLY HEARSAY THAT IT IS SOME TYPE OF SEARS CATALOG.
IT'S SO, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE POINT THAT WAS JUST MADE, LIKE, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE LIKE MACY'S HOUSES AND WARD, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S, IT'S READY TO FALL DOWN AND, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN PUSHING TO GET IT DEMOLISHED.
THERE WAS, UM, I WAS TRYING TO DO SOME RESEARCH ON MY OWN, BUT THEY HAVE TWO.
ONE IS THE KNOWLES AND ONE IS ABOUT THE OTHER NAME NOW.
WELL, THEIR NAME IS BETHEL KNOWLES.
ACTUALLY, THEY WERE, THEY WERE ON THIS CALL, BUT HE POPPED OFF, SO, NO, NO, I'M STILL HERE.
THE A THE APPLICANT IS STILL HERE.
UM, 61, THE, THE BLACK HOUSE THAT WAS THERE SITTING UP AT THE TOP ON THE MOUND WAS A RESIDENCE.
AND THAT WAS EVIDENTLY DESTROYED.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE THAT I CAN SEE THE ST.
MARY'S OF THE FIELD, AND IT WAS THERE AT ONE OTHER POINT.
AND THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THE ST.
MARY'S IN THE FIELD, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE FROM WHAT I CAN IN MY P BRAIN PUT TOGETHER WAS DEMOLISHED AND THIS PART OF IT, AND NOW WHAT'S THERE? AND THEN THEY ADDED ONTO THE BACK.
BUT THIS OTHER BUILDING THAT WAS NEXT DOOR ON THE NEXT LOT, WHICH I THINK WAS 51 GRASSLANDS ROAD OKAY.
I COULDN'T FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM.
WELL, WE COULD TRY TO FIND OUT.
I WANT TO TRY AND STAY ON THIS PROPERTY.
THAT WAS THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME? AT THE STILL, YEAH, AT THE TIME THEY OWNED THE TWO PIECES.
AND THAT WAS CALLED THE, THE K NOS.
YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE REFERRING TO A PRIOR OWNER.
THERE WAS TWO NAMES THAT I FOUND.
IF YOU WANT TO PASS THAT ALONG, I'LL LOOK TO ME.
IF YOU THINK I MADE NOTES OF IT, I'LL SEND IT OVER TO YOU.
THEN I CAN SHARE IT WITH EVERYBODY AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN, IT'S GETTING A LITTLE ZOO WHAT WE CAN TURN UP.
ANYTHING THAT'S PROVIDED, WE'LL, WE'LL PASS ALONG TO THE TEAM.
MR. COOPER, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO ADD ON BETH EL KNOWLES? UH, MADAM CHAIR, I, I'M, I'M JUST HERE TO, TO, TO O OBSERVE.
I, WE FOUND OUT LIKE TWO HOURS AGO THAT THIS WAS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, LAST MONTH.
AND NOW I'M LOOKING AT YOUR AGENDAS.
AND APPARENTLY IT'S BEEN ON EVERY SINGLE MONTH.
SI UH, SINCE, SINCE YOU'VE ISSUED YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU HAVE TO LOOK IT UP ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE.
I, I, I, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT HERE TO, TO, TO, MY INTENT IS NOT TO BE COMBATIVE MAD CHAIR.
THIS IS, I'M JUST MAKING MY RECORD.
UM, AND SO WE, WE WERE SORT OF TAKEN ABACK, LIKE, OH, OKAY.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE JUST HERE, HERE, HERE TO LISTEN.
UM, I DID GO THROUGH THE, THE VIDEO OF LAST MONTH AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS SAID SOME STUFF AND, AND YOU, I'M SURE YOU CAN TALK TO YOUR COUNSEL ABOUT IT.
I HOPE THAT THE MINUTES THAT YOU JUST, UH, ADOPTED REFLECTED SOME OF THE THINGS YOU, YOU'VE SAID ABOUT THE APPLICANT, ABOUT ME PERSONALLY AND ABOUT OTHER, OTHER THINGS IN THIS APPLICATION.
BUT WE'RE JUST, WE'RE HERE TO, TO, TO, TO MONITOR MM-HMM
IS THERE ANYTHING ANY OF US WANNA ADD ON BETH EL KNOWLES? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO, I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A VOTE ON AN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON, UM, GEMAN, WHICH WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET.
AND I ALSO, SO THEN, THEN MADAM CHAIR.
THEN THE ONLY THING I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IS, AND YOU MAY WANNA TALK TO YOUR COUNSEL ABOUT THAT, BUT YOU NEED TO PUT ON THE RECORD WHY YOU'RE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
I TO DISCUSS, I'LL, LET ME, LET ME, LET ME FINISH.
UM, BECAUSE WE ARE CONCERNED, I, I, I, I, I HEARD THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT, UH, TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING WITH, WITH ALL OF THE BOARD OUTSIDE OF THE, THE, THE VISION OF THE PUBLIC AND OUTSIDE
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OF THE VIDEO.UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
AND, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AT, AT THIS JUNCTURE, BUT IF YOU ARE GONNA GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, MR. SCHMIDT, YOU'RE HERE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY, UH, UH, OF, OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY ARE, ARE, ARE PRESENT.
WE, WE REQUESTED IT BE PUT ON THE RECORD PRECISELY WHY YOU'D BE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR BETHEL MILLS.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WILL BE STATED.
UM, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE ANY ACTIONS TAKEN.
UM, JUST AN UPDATE FROM THE TEAM ON WHERE THINGS STAND WITH THE TOWN BOARD AT THE MOMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAD A WORK SESSION, I THINK THE SAME EVENING THAT WE, THAT THE BOARD LAST MET, THAT THIS BOARD LAST MET ON FEBRUARY 10TH, UH, ON OR ABOUT FEBRUARY 10TH.
CAN YOU JUST GIVE THIS BOARD AN UPDATE ON WHERE THINGS STAND AT THE MOMENT WITH THE TOWN BOARD? YEAH.
UH, IT, I THINK IT, I THINK IT WAS SAID AT THE END OF, UH, OF THE, THAT WORK SESSION, SO IT'S ON THE RECORD, BUT THE, THERE ARE COMMENTS FROM STAFF MOST, MOST PARTICULARLY RELATED TO, UH, WATER, UM, CAPACITY THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS FOR.
SO, UM, ONCE, ONCE THOSE AN, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE, THE TESTS FOR THE WATER LINES ARE, ARE COMPLETED, THEN I, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL RESUBMIT, AND I'M ASSUMING WE'LL BE BACK ON AN AGENDA.
BUT, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE, IN TERMS OF TIMING, WHAT THE, WHAT THE TOWN BOARD'S, UH, TIMING IS.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS AN UPDATE OVER THE LAST FOUR WEEKS, THAT'S ALL.
I SEE THAT ONE OF THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS IS HERE, AND I ALSO SAW THE HOMEOWNERS AT THE, OUR LAST MEETING.
I'M JUST, IF I MIGHT ASK YOU, HOW IS IT THAT YOU WERE AWARE THAT WE WERE HAVING THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA? I SAW IT ON THE, THE POSTING OF BOARDS AND MEETINGS, AND THE AGENDA WAS, WAS POSTED, AND I EMAILED AARON TO GET THE LINK.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY THAT IS, IS WHEN A WEEK AGO BEFORE, BEFORE, BEFORE YOU GUYS ISSUED YOUR, BEFORE YOU GUYS ISSUED YOUR RECOMMENDATION, TOWN STAFF WOULD EMAIL THE APPLICANT, I'M ONLY PUTTING THIS ON THE RECORD BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, WOULD EMAIL THE APPLICANT AND SAY, YOU ARE BEFORE THE HISTORIC BOARD TONIGHT.
YOU ARE BEFORE THIS BOARD, THAT BOARD.
WE NEVER GOT ANY OF THOSE EMAILS AFTER, AFTER YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT, THAT THIS WAS SOMEHOW INAPPROPRIATELY PUT ON THE AGENDA.
WE, WE DIDN'T SEE IT SAYING IS.
WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING IT.
SO, I SAW AN EMAIL, AND WE'LL GET BACK TO MR. REBO, BUT, UM, I RECENTLY TOOK OVER DUTIES IN STAFFING THE BOARD, AND I THINK GARRETT MAY HAVE EMAILED YOU LATE TODAY, UM, MAYBE, PERHAPS AFTER YOU SAW IT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
SO, YOU KNOW, ANY RESPONSIBILITY WITH RESPECT TO STAFF, YOU KNOW, I'LL COMMUNICATE WITH GARRETT.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOUR TEAM APPRECIATE IT, AWARE OF ANY FUTURE MEETING WHERE THIS BOARD DISCUSSES THE PROJECT.
MR. S WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST.
I'M GOING TO GEMAN AND MARIAN WOODS.
I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THAT, UM, THE SISTERS HAVE FILED ANOTHER DEMOLITION PERMIT, AND WE HAVE STEVEN MILLER ON THE, ON THE, I KNOW ON THE ZOOM.
UM, AND, UM, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS OF COURSE IS THAT WE HAVE NEVER HAD AN INTERIOR SITE VISIT.
SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, FOR MR. MILLER, UNTIL WE, UNTIL H AND LPB DOES GET A SITE VISIT, WE'RE NOT, THERE'S NOT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MOVEMENT THAT CAN TAKE PLACE.
UM, COUPLE OF, OF, OF ITEMS THAT HAVE JUST COME TO MY ATTENTION IS THE, UM, GEMAN HOUSE IS PRETTY MUCH SURROUNDED BY STATE PARKLAND, WHICH IN ITSELF BECOMES, I THINK, AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE, UM, SOMETHING THAT I READ IN REGARD TO BETH L KNOWLES, BUT IT WILL CARRY OVER TO THIS VERY, VERY NICELY, IS THAT DEMOLITION CREATES AN IMPACT ON THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF WHAT, WHAT'S AROUND IT.
AND THIS IS STATE PARKLAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE STATE OWNS HALF GREENBERG OWNS A QUARTER, AND THE COUNTY OWNS A QUARTER.
SO THIS, THIS PRESENTS A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS, AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED LITTLE.
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WHY WE HAVE NEVER HAD A MEETING WITH THE SISTERS.IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME BECAUSE THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO CERTAIN THINGS.
SO, UM, I'M, I'M VERY CONFUSED, MR. SPRINGER, CAN YOU ADD ANYTHING TO HELP US TO HELP UN CONFUSE US? OKAY.
MR. MILLER? MR. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH.
I, THE SISTERS HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT'S IN VERY BAD SHAPE.
THEY'RE, THEY DON'T USE THE STRUCTURE ANYMORE.
IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THEM TO FIX IT.
THEY WANNA REMOVE IT FROM THEIR PROPERTY.
I, I, UH, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT YOU'RE HOPING THAT THEY'LL DO WITH IT, UNLESS YOU ARE GONNA TAKE IT OVER.
WELL, THEY LET THE TOWN TAKE IT OVER.
WELL, WE SEE, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY CONTACT WITH THEM SINCE THEIR FORMER LAWYER AND ARCHITECT.
WELL, THE LAWYER DIED AND THE ARCHITECT, I BELIEVE, WAS NOT NEEDED ANY LONGER.
AND THAT'S GOTTA BE ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO NOW, MAYBE FOUR.
BUT YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT'S QUITE POSSIBLE.
I, BUT I KNOW THAT THE BUILD THAT THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR AND A TOWN COUNCILMAN WERE IN DID A SITE VISIT.
WHAT AARON? UM, MR. SCHMIDT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, MAYBE, MAYBE SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO.
AND THEY SAID THE BONES OF THE HOUSE ARE STILL WORTH KEEPING.
AND THE ARCHITECT THAT THE SISTERS ONCE HIRED HAS WRITTEN THAT.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS A SUBMISSION OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS IN CONNECTION WITH A PROPOSAL TO SUBDIVIDE OFF A PIECE MM-HMM
UM, FOR I BELIEVE RESTORATION OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN, UM, THERE WERE VARIANCES REQUIRED, SO THEY APPEARED BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
UM, I CAN DIG UP THAT INFORMATION, PROVIDE IT TO THIS BOARD AS WELL AS TO MR. MILLER.
IF IT'S NOT TOO MUCH BURDEN,
IT'S A REVERED HOUSE FOR A GENTLEMAN WHO WAS VERY PHILANTHROPIC, UM, VERY WELL KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY, I, AS A YOUNG CHILD, KNEW WHO HE WAS.
UM, I DON'T QUITE AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THE HOUSE HAS NO SIGNIFICANCE.
UM, MR. CARL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT? YOU SAW THE OUTSIDE WITH ME.
UH, THE FIRST TIME I SAW THE OUTSIDE, THE WINDOWS WERE ALL BLOWN OUT.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T HELP BUT THINK THAT THAT WASN'T HELPING THE, UH, THE STRUCTURE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP ITS INTEGRITY.
AND, UM, WHEN I SAW AFTER THAT, THEY WERE BOARDED UP, THE FIRST TIME I SAW IT, THERE WERE ANIMALS GOING IN AND OUT, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT HAD NOT BEEN PROPERLY ATTENDED TO.
AND THE SECOND TIME I SAW, UM, UH, AFTER THE WINDOWS WERE BOARDED UP, I WENT BACK ANOTHER TIME AND THE, THE EAVES ON THE BACK, UH, ELEVATION OF THE HOUSE WERE COMPLETELY COMING APART FROM THE ROOF LINE.
AND THAT HAD NOT BEEN ATTENDED TO EITHER.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THOSE TYPES OF, THAT TYPE OF NEGLECT IS IN PART WHAT'S CAUSING THE STRUCTURE TO LOOK MORE WORN THAN IT SHOULD BE LOOKING.
BUT THE FACT THAT WE WERE, THAT WE RECEIVED PROFESSIONAL, UM, UH, UH, A PROFESSIONAL, UM, EVALUATION OF THE HOUSE, AND WE'RE TOLD THAT THE BONES WERE GOOD, AND YOU COULD SEE THAT THE BONES ARE GOOD AND YOU SEE FROM THE PICTURES ARE FROM THE OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE ITALIAN EIGHTH, EARLY
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20TH CENTURY STRUCTURE THAT'S IMPORTANT HISTORICALLY BECAUSE OF THE FOUNDER, UH, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE OWNER'S, UH, FOUNDING OF ENTREPRENEURIAL VENTURES IN THE UNITED STATES.UH, AND LATER ON, HIS PHILANTHROPIC WORK AND HIS, UH, RELATIONSHIP TO NEW YORK CITY AS WELL.
UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, THERE'S A LOT WE COULD GO ON, BUT, UM, WE SHOULD, WE COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH A MORE DETAILED WRITTEN DOCUMENT.
MR. MILLER, UM, H AND LPB, PROBABLY FOUR YEARS AGO, MR. MANIA, HELP ME, MY HEAD IS FUZZY ON DATES.
UM, SENT A LETTER TO THE, UM, MARION WOODS PEOPLE, UH, RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED ASKING FOR A MEETING BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THE HOUSE WAS DESIGNATION WORTHY, AND THAT IF IT WERE DESIGNATED THAT WE COULD, THEY COULD APPLY FOR GRANT MONEY, WE COULD TRY TO GET, YOU KNOW, FUNDRAISE, ET CETERA, GET THE HOUSE BACK IN SHAPE.
IT COULD BE USED BY, UM, NATURALISTS, UM, BIOLOGISTS BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO THE PARK.
I CALLED, I SPOKE TO THEIR DIRECTOR, GOT NOWHERE CALLED THE CARITE.
ONCE I LEARNED THAT IT HAD BEEN, THEY WERE MERGING OR WHATEVER THE PROPER WORD IS, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, AND NOTHING, NO RETURN CALL, NO ANYTHING.
THE THERE, THE BENEFITS TO KEEPING THE HOUSE, TO POSSIBLY THE TOWN, AND DEFINITELY THE SISTERS EXISTS, BUT WITHOUT ITS DESIGNATED.
OH, I, I I, IT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THE, THE, THE TOWN IS, IS, IS ANXIOUS FOR IT TO BE KEPT.
I, I, I, UH, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH WHETHER OR NOT THE SISTERS THINK IT NEEDS TO BE KEPT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO TAKE IT DOWN BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA TRY TO REHAB IT.
BECAUSE I MEAN, WHY SHOULD NO ADVANTAGE TO TAKING, THERE IS NO ADVANTAGE TO TAKING IT DOWN.
SURE THERE IS, THERE, THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, REDUCTION OF LIABILITY.
THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TAX, YOU KNOW, TAX, UM, LESSENING DON'T TAXES, THEY DON'T PAY TAX.
BUT I, I, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH, HOW SIGNIFICANT THIS STRUCTURE IS TO THE TOWN THAT, THAT THE, THE MARION WOODS CAN'T DO AS THEY DO DO WITH IT, WHAT THEY LIKE AS THE OWNERS CHAIRPERSON, CHAIRPERSON.
OSHA, LET ME ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION, ONLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT TO BE, BUT I, I WANTED TO CONFIRM WITH YOU AND THEN WE CAN PASS ALONG INFORMATION TO MR. MILLER.
BUT IS THIS STRUCTURE LISTED WITHIN, DO YOU RECALL IF IT'S LISTED IN THE LARSON FISHER SURVEY? I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IT IS, RIGHT? IT IS.
SO THAT WAS A HISTORICAL RESOURCES SURVEY DONE AROUND 2006 FOR THE TOWN BY LARSON FISHER ASSOCIATES.
AND I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT DOCUMENT SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE FURTHER LOOK INTO, IT'S ON THE INTERNET, I BELIEVE, MR. SCHMIDT.
SO I'LL PASS, I, I THINK WE ACCESS THAT FISHER SURVEY TO, TO PUT TOGETHER OUR BUILDING SURVEY.
SO I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO, I'M HAPPY TO, UM, ACCEPT ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE PAST, UM, UH, SUBMISSIONS THAT'S BEEN BEFORE ANY OF THE BOARDS IN THE TOWN.
I MEAN, WE CAME ON WITHIN, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
THE SISTERS NEEDED A PLAN, NEEDED A PERMIT TO DEMOLISH THE HOUSE.
IT WAS ONLY IN THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF SINCE I TALKED TO, WELL, NOT, I'M SORRY, NOT THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF, UM, LAST FALL, THAT I WAS MADE AWARE THAT THERE WAS ANY SIGNIFICANCE OF IT TO THE TOWN AND TO THE HISTORIC SOCIETY.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE TOWN IS,
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HASN'T BEEN ON THE TOWN'S RADAR FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT, BUT IT, IT'S, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SIGNIFICANCE THIS FISHER SURVEY HAS.IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LISTED AS A HISTORIC ON THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL HISTORIC REGISTER BECAUSE THE NUNS WOULD NOT TALK TO US FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO TO LET US DO IT.
AND IT, IT, IT'S MORE ADVANTAGEOUS TO THE OWNERS TO LET US DESIGNATE WITH THEIR FULL BLESSING, BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT MONEY.
IF THEY DON'T, IT CAN BE DESIGNATED AT LEAST LOCALLY WITHOUT THE, THE NUN'S PERMISSION.
THE, AS FAR AS WHAT I SEE IS A VERY NEGATIVE ASPECT.
AND THE GOAL IS TO FIX THIS UP SO THAT IF THE NUNS NEED MORE ROOM FOR, BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAVE SAID AT OTHER TIMES THAT THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE FOR THE ELDERLY.
THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE DESPERATE FOR MONEY, BUT IF THEY'RE JUST DEMOLISHING IT, UM, THE SAME, THE SAME ISSUES EXIST WHETHER THERE IS A HOUSE ON THE PROPERTY OR WHETHER THEY TRY TO SELL THE ONE AND A HALF ACRES OR SUBDIVIDE THE ONE AND A HALF ACRES.
SO I, I'M, I'M TRYING, UM, THE H AND LPB WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUNS GET SOMETHING FOR IT, USE IT OR SELL IT AT A PROPER RATE TO THE TOWN OR TO THE COUNTY, OR TO THE STATE, OR TO THE, TO THE THREE ENTITIES INVOLVED.
I KNOW THAT THE NUNS NEED MONEY.
THEY'VE MADE NO BONES ABOUT IT.
ARMENIA, YOU'RE LOOKING ALL I ALL I CAN, ALL I CAN DO IS, IS TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GIVING ME THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT, UH, I'M, I'M NOT IN A POSITION TO, TO SPEAK.
I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE SISTERS.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR, I'M SURE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ATTORNEYS THAT, THAT DEAL WITH THIS STUFF.
UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T MAKE ANY DECISIONS FOR THEM.
I'M, I'M, I'M A LAND SURVEYOR THAT'S, THAT'S TRYING TO GET THEM A PERMIT SO THAT THEY CAN DEMOLISH A BUILDING.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, I I, I'M, I'M NOT AWARE.
WHAT, WHAT, UM, WHAT CAN THE HISTORIC BOARD, DOES THE HISTORIC BOARD HAVE TO GRANT SOME APPROVAL? YES.
UNDER WHAT? SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A POLICY OF THE HISTORIC BOARD THAT IT REVIEWS ALL PROJECTS INVOLVING EITHER ALTER ALTERATION, RENOVATION, OR DEMOLITION OF STRUCTURES MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD.
THAT WAS A POLICY ADOPTED AFTER THE LARSON FISHER SURVEY WAS COMPLETED AND SUBMITTED AND SUBMITTED TO AND ACCEPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD IN 2006, 2007.
SO IN, UM, CONDUCTING ITS REVIEW OF THIS AS WELL AS THE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING, THE BOARD WILL ULTIMATELY DETERMINE IF THE, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROPOSING THIS STRUCTURE FOR DESIGNATION, LANDMARK DESIGNATION, OR IF IT WILL DO SOMETHING ELSE SUBJECT TO VARIOUS CONDITIONS OR REQUIREMENTS.
THE STATE OF NEW YORK, MR. SCHMIDT HAS ALSO VALIDATED OUR LEGISLATION.
WE ABSOLUTELY, WE ARE UNDER THEIR AEGIS, I GUESS IS THE RIGHT WORD, UM, AND CORRECT, I MEAN, WE SEND ANNUAL REPORTS TO THE STATE.
WE'RE OBLIGATED TO, WE'RE CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT, SO WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES AND OBLIGATIONS.
UM, MR. MILLER, IF YOU CAN SET UP A MEETING WITH THE POWERS THAT BE, UM, OKAY.
I AM SURE THAT MR. SCHMIDT, I PROBABLY, DEPENDING ON WHEN THAT MEETING IS, WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE, BUT I CAN PRETTY WELL GUARANTEE THAT MS. CURCIO, MR. RABO, AND MS. AND MS. UH, DESAI AND MRS. PURDY WILL BE, UM, I WOULD IMAGINE THE DEPUTY
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BUILDING INSPECTOR WILL BE AVAILABLE.AND I THINK WE SHOULD START FROM THERE BECAUSE NO, NO DEMOLITION EVER TAKES PLACE WITHOUT A SITE VISIT FIRST.
AND THEN WE BE THEN, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS, BUT RIGHT.
AND I SPOKE TO MR. MILLER ABOUT THAT.
SO, UM, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH MR. MILLER AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHO HE REPORTS TO ON ARRANGING FOR THE MEETING AND COORDINATING WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT SEEK TO ATTEND SO THAT WE CAN ARRANGE FOR THAT.
AND THEN IN THE INTERIM, UM, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHO'S AVAILABLE FOR THE SITE VISIT, UM, IF IT, IF MR. MILLER'S ABLE TO GET ANY OTHER PARTIES THAT EITHER THE, THE SISTERS THEMSELVES OR A REPRESENTATIVE TO PERHAPS ATTEND A FUTURE MEETING OF THE BOARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, THAT MAY BE AN OPTION AS WELL.
I, UM, I, I KNOW SOMEWHERE IN MY VAST FILES OF FIVE YEARS AGO, THERE IS THE LETTER THAT, THAT H-N-L-P-B SENT TO THE SISTERS OUTLINING THE BENEFITS OF LANDMARK OF DESIGNATION AS OPPOSED TO, UM, DEMOLITION.
I'M GONNA FORWARD THAT TO MR. MILLER.
SO, I, I WOULD, UM, MR. MILLER, DO YOU KNOW THE COMPLETE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE? I HAD PUT TOGETHER THAT BUILDING SURVEY, I'M ASSUMING YOU RE YOU'VE REVIEWED IT FOR THIS MEETING.
OH, YES, BUT I'VE
MR. GEMAN HIMSELF WAS A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH, BUT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT ORIGINALLY BY, UM, THE DEPUTY AMBASSADOR TO PERU, AND THEN HIS SON OR GRANDSON INHERITED IT, AND GEMAN BOUGHT IT FROM HIM.
BUT MR. GEMAN HAS, JUST, JUST ASIDE FROM INVENTING OVER A HUNDRED ART A HUNDRED ITEMS THAT WE NEVER THINK ABOUT, EXCEPT FOR THE ELE SAFETY RAZOR, HE IS THE EPITOME OF THE AMERICAN DREAM.
HE LEFT SCHOOL BEFORE HE WAS 16.
HE AMASSED THIS HUGE WEALTH, BUT BEFORE HE DID, HE INVENTED POSTER BOARDS AND GLASS ENCLOSED BOARDS THAT THE HOTELS ARE STILL USING TODAY.
THEN HE BOUGHT THE REST OF, WHAT IS IT, 57TH OR 59TH STREET FOR THE ARCHDIOCESE OF NEW YORK.
HE BUILT A NEW OPERATING ROOM FOR, UH, MOUNT SINAI, ON AND ON AND ON.
I JUST DON'T IMAGINE ANYBODY, I WILL ADMIT, WOULD'VE BEEN NICE IF HE LEFT A GRANT SO THAT THE SISTERS COULD KEEP UP THE, THE MAINTENANCE ON THE BUILDING.
WELL, I DON'T DISAGREE ON THAT, BUT THERE IS A, UM, THERE ARE TWO GEMAN SOCIETIES.
ONE IS OUT OF LONG ISLAND, UM, OH, UM, DIRECTED BY, I BELIEVE HIS WIFE'S NEPHEW.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN MEMPHIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE HIS IMMIGRANT PARENTS LANDED.
SO THAT, AND I WILL ADMIT THAT I, I DON'T REMEMBER MEETING HIM, BUT FROM AGE 12, UM, I WOULD HEAR ABOUT HIM.
I KNEW WHEN HE GOT MARRIED BECAUSE MY UNCLE WAS A FRIEND OF HIS WIFE'S, I THINK SHE HIS BROTHER.
SO, BUT IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN THE GUY.
IS MR GUY'S CHILDHOOD HOME, STILL STANDING? I DON'T KNOW.
NO, TENNESSEE, HE WAS BROUGHT UP IN, IN, UH, MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE HISTORY THAT THE ENTIRE TOWN OF GREENBERG LITERALLY GREW UP WITH.
IT WAS ALWAYS THE GEMAN MANSION.
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GARDENS, ANNETTE YES.UH, DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? NO, NO.
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WE ALL GREW UP WITH IT.
WE KNEW THAT THEY WERE HORSES THERE.
WE KNEW THAT THEY RODE AROUND, AND THEN YOU WOULD SEE THEM SOMETIMES DOWN ON RIDGE ROAD AND SEACOR AND ALL THEM THROUGH THERE RIDING THEIR HORSES.
AND THE GARDENS WERE EXCEPTIONAL.
OH, THEY, SOME OF THEM STILL ARE.
THE TOWN HAS CON UH, THE TOWN, THE STATE, AND THE COUNTY HAVE CONTROL OF THE MAJOR LANDSCAPING.
UM, AND THERE ARE ANIMALS THERE.
YOU KNOW, I, I, I, IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME, UM, YOU SAY THAT SURROUNDING THIS PROPERTY IS, IS, IS STATE AND COUNTY AND TOWN PARKLAND.
IT, IT, IT, AND, AND I KNOW THAT THE PROPERTY WAS SUBDIVIDED OH, IN THE LATE 1990S OR, OR EARLY TWO THOUSANDS.
I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE HOUSE WITH IT AT THAT TIME.
I DON'T THINK THEY, WHEN THEY DID THE SUBDIVISION, THE TOWN OR THE MUNICIPALITIES DIDN'T TAKE THE HOUSE WITH IT AT THAT TIME, IF IT WAS SO SIGNIFICANT.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE ARCHDIOCESE CARVED OUT WHAT I THINK, BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
MR. GEMAN AND MRS. GUYMAN WANTED TO GIVE, THEY GAVE THE WHOLE PROPERTY, BUT THEN THE ENTIRE 133 ACRES.
BUT THEY DIDN'T, THE, THE DIOCESE DIDN'T WANT IT, AND IT DIDN'T WANT ALL OF IT.
IT JUST WANTED 11 SOME ACRES AND THAT THE HOUSE.
I, I'M GONNA GET SWITCH OFF THIS SUBJECT.
I'M GONNA TOUCH A LITTLE TINY BIT ON PARKWAY GARDENS.
CAN I, CAN I JUST CONFIRM WHAT IT IS WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE, HOW, HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD? MR. SCHMIDT'S? MR. GET SOME DOCUMENTATION.
SOME MR. I'M SORRY, MR. SCHMIDT.
WE'LL WRITE, I'M SURE WE'LL WRITE YOU A LETTER.
I'D LIKE IT ALL DOCUMENTED SO THAT I DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER IT.
I'LL BE SENDING AN EMAIL WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTATION REQUESTING THAT THE SITE VISIT BE SCHEDULED.
UH, MR. MILLER'S GONNA TOUCH BASE WITH, YOU KNOW, HIS CONTACTS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SELLING OR OFFERING TO THE TOWN, COUNTY, AND OR STATE, UM, THE STRUCTURE AND, AND, AND THE PIECE OF LAND THAT THE STRUCTURE SITS ON.
UM, AND THEN ONCE THOSE MATTERS ARE, UH, TAKEN CARE OF, WE WILL BRING THIS BACK BEFORE THE BOARD, HOPEFULLY AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
AARON, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WE SHOULD, UM, TIE OURSELVES DOWN TO THE APRIL MEETING, BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT, IT MIGHT BE TOO MUCH OF A PUSH OR A RUSH TO DO EVERYTHING.
SO I'D RATHER THINK ABOUT MAY IF, UM, OKAY.
SO I SAID, I SAID MAYBE, OR HOPEFULLY I DID, I DID NOT INDICATE THAT IT ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED BACK TO US WHEN THE SITE VISIT CAN BE SCHEDULED.
AND, UH, SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FACTORS, SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND.
AND, AND I'M, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO RUSH ANYBODY.
HOW SOON MIGHT I GET THAT DOCUMENTATION? BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK.
I, I APPRECIATE THE BOARD'S TIME.
ONE QUICK WORD ON PARKWAY GARDENS.
I THINK I SAID LAST MONTH THAT LLOYD COURT TOLD ME ABOUT MR. SIMMONS, WHO WAS A FONT OF INFORMATION.
LAST WEEK I GOT ANOTHER EMAIL FROM LLOYD COURT SUGGESTING THAT I CONTACT ANOTHER PERSON WHO KNEW MR. SIMMONS BETTER THAN HE DID.
AND BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM, PERHAPS THEY COULD GET HIM TO COME INTO, UM, HE DOESN'T DO MEETINGS.
IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, COME INTO THE TOWN CABLE STUDIO AND JUST TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING HE KNOWS ABOUT EITHER GREENBERG OR GREENBERG AND PARKWAY GARDENS, WHATEVER.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE CANNOT LOCATE 10 TAPES
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OF PEOPLE NO LONGER WITH US THAT WERE MADE, OH LORD, 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO AT LEAST.UM, FROM INHABITANTS OF PARKWAY HOMES AND PARKWAY GARDENS.
I WOULD LIKE, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU TO, UM, HAVE MAKE A RESOLUTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS ITEMS ON, UM, ON BOTH GEMAN AND BETH EL KNOWLES.
UM, I'VE TALKED THIS OVER WITH OUR ATTORNEY AND HE WANTS ME TO NAME WHAT WE WANNA DO.
WE'LL BE COMING TO NO, NO CONCLUSIONS.
UM, BUT IF WE HANDLE IT RIGHT, WE CAN DO IT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO MOVE.
AARON, CAN YOU TURN OFF THE RECORDING PLEASE? YES, I.