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SESSION.UM, TODAY IS, UH, MARCH, UH, 17TH.
AND, UM, THE, I JUST WANNA, I HAVE TWO VERY BRIEF ANNOUNCEMENTS.
UM, I, A LOT OF RESIDENTS HAVE PON SIDE.
UH, THEY'VE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT, UM, UH, VARIOUS VIOLATIONS.
AND, UM, I SPOKE, I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH JASON CAP, THE TOWN ENGINEER, AND HE INDICATED THAT THERE WAS AN INSPECTION REPORT.
AND TODAY'S INSPECTION REPORT, ALONG WITH A COPY OF THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION WAS SENT OUT, UM, YESTERDAY BECAUSE THERE'S, UM, ANYBODY ON, UH, THERE'S, ARE YOU ON, UM, EROSION? THERE'S SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS THAT ARE IMPACTING, UM, RESIDENTS OF, UM, UPON SITE.
UH, THE REPORT SHOWS THAT THEY HAVE MADE SOME CORRECTIVE ACTIONS SINCE YESTERDAY, BUT NOT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN CORRECTED.
DO YOU NEED US TO STOP FOR A MINUTE, SAM? I'M CONFUSED.
WHO, PAUL, YOU NEED TO BE CLEAR ON WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YOU SEE, THEY, THEY, SO WHO YOU SPEAK? WHO, WHO, WHAT A SECOND.
NEED TO CLEAR TECHNICAL DIFFERENCE TO TECHNICAL, JUST LIKE WE ALWAYS, I'M HEARING IT FROM HERE, SO MAYBE THAT, MAYBE WE ARE HEARING IT.
PAUL, WHY DON'T YOU CONTINUE? SO WE SHOULD START MEETING? NO, JUST CONTINUE.
SO WE HAD A LITTLE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
SO A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS UPON SIDE, THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING A LOT OF DAMAGES, UM, TO THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEY'RE CLAIMING THAT AS A RESULT OF, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BRIGHTVIEW, UM, ASSIST, YOU KNOW, ASSISTED LIVING, UM, FACILITY.
UM, SO I REACHED OUT TO, UM, UH, JASON CAP, WHO IS, UH, THE TOWN ENGINEER.
AND, UM, HE INDICATED THAT THE TOWN STAFF WENT OUT TO THE SITE YESTERDAY AND WROTE A REPORT ALONG WITH A NOTICE OF VIOLATION TO THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT.
UM, UH, THE NOTICE WAS SENT OUT, UH, LAST NIGHT TO THEM, AND HE ALSO INDICATED THAT TOWN STAFF WENT OUT AGAIN THIS MORNING AND ARE WRITING UP ANOTHER REPORT AND HE IS SENDING DOCUMENTS.
EXCUSE ME, SUPERVISOR, COULD YOU JUST REITERATE THE TOPIC THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE IT ALL GOT CUT OFF IN THE BEGINNING.
THERE'S A EROSION CONTROL INSPECTION AT PON SIDE.
SO PEOPLE AT PON SIDE, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE, HAVE CONTACTED ME THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED, UM, ABOUT THE IMPACT THE CONSTRUCTION IS HAVING.
SO WHAT CONSTRUCTION? YOU'RE NOT CLEAR.
SO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION AT BRIGHTVIEW? AT BRIGHTVIEW? OKAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT WASN'T CLEAR.
WELL, IT'S, THE CONSTRUCTION AT BRIGHTVIEW IS HAVING AN IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, SO OUR TOWN ENGINEER, UM, JASON CAP, UM, UH, HAS TOWN STAFF GO OUT TO THE SITE.
YESTERDAY, UH, THEY WROTE A REPORT, UH, AND THEY ISSUED A NOTICE OF VIOLATION TO THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT.
UM, UH, HE ALSO INDICATED THAT TODAY THEY WENT OUT AGAIN AND THEY'RE WRITING UP ANOTHER REPORT, AND THEY INDICATED THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE SENDING DOCUMENTS OVER, UH, TO THE TOWN BOARD ONCE THE REPORT, UM, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IS FI YOU KNOW, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, FINALIZED.
UM, UH, HE ALSO INDICATED TO ME LATER THIS AFTERNOON, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION SAID? YEAH.
WHAT IS THAT? I HAVE THE NOTICE OF VIOLATIONS.
UH, I THINK HE SENT IT TO EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN.
BUT TODAY, PAUL NOTICE OF VIOLATION, IT SAYS OVER HERE, UM, CONTRACTOR MADE, UH, DESCRIPTION OF, UM, OF CONSTRUCTION WORK ACTIVITIES.
CONTRACTOR MADE THE FOLLOWING, UH, REPAIRS FROM THE DEFICIENCIES RECORDED ON THREE 16 2026 INSTALLED TARPS OVER UNUSED CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE, PHOTOS ONE AND TWO AND SOLD SILT FENCE ALONG SIDEWALK WHERE SEDIMENT WAS, UH, PENETRATING.
THE EXISTING FENCE CONTRACTOR, UM, ORDERED THE, UH, FOLLOWING VI UH, MATERIALS TO COMPLETE THE SEDIMENT DEFICIENCIES.
HAY BALES, CORE LOGS AND INLET DETECTION ANO TO ADDRESS SEED AND STRAW BLANKETS TO COVER SOIL AND THE SOIL SIDEWALK.
UH, COMMENTS REMARKED DEFICIENCIES AND THE EROSION CONTROL ON SITE.
REPLACE CORE LOG AND HAY BALES BEHIND SALT FENCE TO FILTER MORE SEDIMENT FROM WATER SEEPING THROUGH SALT FENCE.
PHOTO ONE, FIX, UH, SWALE ALONG, UH, DOS FERRY ROAD.
UH, THERE IS A FLAT SECTION WHERE WATER INCHES DOS FERRY ROAD.
PHOTO TWO, INSTALL ADDITIONAL CHECK DMS AND STONE SWALE ALONG DOS FERRY ROAD.
PHOTO THREE, COVER DRIVEWAY, UM, WITH TARPS TO AVOID
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RUN OFF FROM DRIVEWAY.PHOTO FOUR AND FIVE, REPLACE CATCH BASIN INLET PROTECTION FILTER FABRIC WITH PROPER INLET PROTECTION.
ARE, ARE YOU SHOWING PHOTOS? ARE YOU SHOWING PHOTOS? BECAUSE THERE'S NO PHOTOS COMING? OH, NO.
WERE YOU TRYING TO SHOW THE PHOTOS? YOU KNOW, JASON'S SENT NO, I KNOW, BUT NO, BUT THIS IS NOT FOR US.
SO JASON SENT EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD, UH, WHAT I'M READING, IT WAS, UH, 3 29.
IT'S 3 29 WHILE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR WORKDAY, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
BUT PAUL, PAUL, OUR POINT IS IT'S NOT FOR US.
WE WANT YOU TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RESIDENTS SO THEY UNDERSTAND.
THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, JUST SUMMARIZE IT.
WELL, YEAH, ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED.
UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY'RE GONNA ATTEND A TOWN BOARD MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY.
UM, AND THEY ARE HOPEFUL THAT, UH, THIS PROBLEM WILL BE, UM, RESOLVED, UM, TO THEIR SATISFACTION.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WOULD LIKE THE TOWN BOARD, UM, TO, TO SCHEDULE, YOU KNOW, MEETING, UM, WITH, UH, RESIDENTS OF PON SIDE AND THE BOARD, UM, TO DIS TO DISCUSS AND TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.
UM, ONE OF, A COUPLE OF THE, UH, LEADERS OF PON SIDE, UH, HAVE ASKED FOR A STOP WORK ORDER.
AND I INDICATED, UM, TO THEM, UM, THAT I'M NOT IN A POSITION OF TELLING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHAT TYPE OF VI OR THE ENGINEERS, WHAT IS APPROPRIATE INSPECTION.
THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LAW AND THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY THINK, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY THEY CAN, OR, YOU KNOW, OR YOU KNOW, OR CAN'T DO.
BUT, UH, THEY ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED THAT IT'S A PUBLIC NUISANCE.
THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR OWN, UM, YOU KNOW, SAFETY.
UM, AND THEY ALSO, UH, AND I'M NOT SAYING, THEY'RE ALSO INDICATED TO ME THAT THEY'RE WORRIED THAT THE TOWN IS VIOLATING THE CONDITIONS OF OUR OWN PERMIT WITH THE STATE BY ALLOWING, UH, POLLUTION TO, UH, CONTINUE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, LET THE TOWN BOARD KNOW, UM, THAT THEY INDICATED TO ME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW UP.
UM, NEXT WEDNESDAY NIGHT, I SPOKE, I SPOKE TO ONE OF THE RESIDENTS TODAY ON MY RIDE IN.
SO, DID, DID YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED A PLAN.
DID YOU, HAVE YOU, YOU GAVE THEM A PLAN? UM, WELL, YOU KNOW, JASON, UH, IS, UM, OUR TOWN ENGINEER IS, UM, BUSY, UM, HAS ISSUED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE INSPECTING AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GETTING THINGS ADDRESSED.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY MAYBE NEXT TUESDAY WE COULD ASK JASON TO COME TO THE WORK SESSION TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILED REPORT BECAUSE I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
SO A LOT OF, UH, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS, UH, YEAH.
SO REALISTICALLY SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA WITH NOTICE, SO EVERYONE CAN LOOK AT THE MATERIALS AHEAD OF TIME AND HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PERSONS PRESENT TO, TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, FROM FIRST, FROM FIRST.
WOULD IT MAKE SENSE, SINCE THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN, RATHER THAN TAKE UP THE TOWN BOARD THE REGULAR AGENDA, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO INVITE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES OF PONCY, UH, TO THE MEETING NEXT TUESDAY AT THE WORK SESSION? WE COULD GIVE THEM A TIME AND, UH, AND THEN WE COULD HAVE, HAVE, UM, ANSWER QUESTIONS AND WE COULD ALSO INVITE BRIGHTVIEW, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, SO THIS WAY THEY COULD, THEY COULD RESPOND BECAUSE I, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT QUALITY OF LIFE, FISHER.
I THINK, AGAIN, I ALWAYS GO BACK TO LETTING EVERYONE TO DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
SO NOW THAT THEY RECEIVE THE VIOLATIONS, THEY NEED TO GO BACK, HAVE A PLAN AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.
SO WHY DON'T YOU FOLLOW UP WITH JASON SINCE HE'S IN CONTACT WITH BRIGHTVIEW AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE.
AND THEN YOU CAN BRING BACK A REPORT TOMORROW.
BECAUSE WE ALL, WE HAVE THE INFORMATION RIGHT HERE.
WE KNOW WE, WE HAVE THE VI THE VIOLATIONS THAT WERE ISSUED.
NOW THEY'RE GOING TO REMEDIATE THOSE ISSUE, THOSE VIOLATIONS.
SO LET'S SIT AND LET'S, LET'S GIVE 'EM A CHANCE.
SO I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LET, LET, LET THINGS HAPPEN, LET A PROCESS WORK.
SO THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT I FEEL IS THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO I SPEAK TO, THEY BASICALLY DON'T FEEL THAT THE TOWN'S BEEN AS REPO.
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PRETTY ANNOYED WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN.
AND, UM, AND I SORT OF FEEL THAT, UM, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE, UM, TOWN STAFF AT THE MEETING NEXT WEEK WHERE THEY COULD ANSWER, YOU KNOW, QUESTIONS.
THEY COULD SAY WHAT THEY'VE DONE, UM, BECAUSE HOPEFULLY BY NEXT WEEK THERE'LL BE A LOT MORE PROGRESS THAT'S MADE.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY SHE CAN, SO IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO CRITICIZE ANY, ANYONE IN THE TOWN FOR WHAT WE'VE DONE OR, OR
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NOT DONE.I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE AN EXPERT PRESENT THE FACTS TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WELL, I THINK BILL DEPARTMENT CAN DO IT.
THEY CAN, THEY CAN COME AND PRESENT THE, NOT IT'S ENGINEERING.
THEY CAN COME AND PRESENT A REPORT.
THEY CAN PROVIDE A REPORT DO, SHOULD WE SAY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, THERE WAS ONE VIOLATION, NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE TODAY.
HE SAID THAT THERE'S AN INSPECTION TODAY.
I HAVE, THEY SENT ME ONE VIOLATION.
SO THE ACTUAL NOTICE OF VIOLATION STATES, UM, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PERFORMED A, A SITE VISIT DURING A RAIN EVENT AND OBSERVED HEAVY SILT RUNOFF MERGING FROM THE CONSTRUCTION ENTRANCE SITE.
UM, AND THE CORRECT COMPLY WITH THE STORM MONITOR.
YOU, HIM, WOULD YOU TELL HIM TO HOLD THE MICROPHONE? WE CAN.
I JUST WANT YOU TO SPEAK MORE INTO THE MICROPHONE.
IT'S LIKE, WHICH I STILL HAVE.
UM, AND SO WE COMPLY WITH THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN.
UM, AND THEN IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION BE TO SEE WHAT IS THE PLAN.
AND I WOULD RATHER WORK TOWARDS GETTING A PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT, BECAUSE THEIR MAIN GOAL IS NOT TO MEET WITH US.
THEIR MAIN GOAL IS TO STOP THE PROBLEM.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO STOP THE PROBLEM? AND IF WE HAVE THAT ANSWER BY TUESDAY, GREAT.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CONTRACTORS AS WELL.
HAVING PEOPLE COME HERE TO SAY WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU IS NOT HELPFUL TO ANYBODY.
IT SHOWS, YES, WE DON'T MIND INVITING YOU AND TAKING YOU FROM YOUR WORK AND PAY AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO TELL YOU.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL THEM THAT'S MEANINGFUL.
UH, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT MICHELLE HAS SEEN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT, 'CAUSE SHE HAS OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHE SENT, WHETHER OR NOT SHE THINKS THAT THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS ARE ALL INCLUSIVE OF THE PROBLEM.
SO THERE'S SOME WORK WE HAVE TO DO, AS I'M SAYING.
I THINK WE SHOULD MEET WITH THEM, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD MEET WITH THEM AFTER WE SPEAK WITH THE STAFF, HAVE STAFF SPEAK WITH THE CONTRACTOR, AND GET A PLAN, AN ACTUAL PLAN THAT THEN WE CAN, WE HAVE, UH, SOME SENSE OF ENFORCEMENT.
HOW, HOW MUCH TIME, HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, WOULD MAKE, WOULD MAKE SENSE? UM, YOU KNOW, TERMS OF, I THINK NEXT WEEK WE COULD DO IS PUT A STATUS UPDATE AND MAY IT MAY BE A REALLY GOOD ONE, RIGHT? OR IT MAY, MIGHT BE NOTHING.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK AS TO WHAT'S THE STATUS.
BUT TO INVITE PEOPLE TO COME IN, UH, AND NOT HAVE AS MANY, SOME TAKE OFF FROM WORK IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THINKING THAT IT'S GONNA HELP.
UH, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO MENTION.
SO IF WE HAVE A STATUS UPDATE NEXT WEEK, SHOULD WE HAVE, UH, JASON AT THE, AT THE MEETING? BECAUSE WHEN I'M READING WHAT HE'S WRITING, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY CHINESE FOR ME.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ENGINEERING.
SO WE SHOULD, I THINK IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE STATUS AT THAT'S RIGHT.
AT THE POINT IN TIME IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE NECESSARY.
THE TIME REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE AT WITH DISCUSSIONS AND THE CONTRACTOR'S ACTIONS.
SO WE'LL, SO WE CAN WORK BEHIND, WE CAN DO AND TAKE CARE OF THAT.
SO NEXT WEEK WILL BE A STATUS UPDATE.
THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS, UM, UH, I, UM, HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH CJ, UM, UH, RELATING TO, UH, EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, UM, AND, UM, AND ALSO WITH BARBARA GRODEN.
AND, UM, UM, THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID I COULD READ BECAUSE I, I INDICATED THAT I WANTED TO GIVE AN WELL EXPLAINED THAT BARBARA RODDEN AND EAST HEART STILL HAVE REQUESTED AN UPDATE AND CJ GELLAR PREPARED A STATEMENT FOR YOU TO READ TO UPDATE THEM.
SO THE DESIGN DRAWINGS, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE DAMAGE SEWER IN MAINE AT A HUNDRED EAST PARKSDALE AVENUE ARE NEARLY COMPLETE TODAY.
THE TOWNS DESIGN CONSULTANT, COLLIERS ENGINEERING AND DESIGN RESPONDED TO COMMENTS PROVIDED LAST MONTH BY AN ENGINEERING CONSULTANT HIRED BY THE BUILDING.
THESE COMMENTS INCLUDE UPDATED DETAILS TO THE DRAWINGS, UH, TO ADDRESS THE BUILDING CONSULTANTS' COMMENTS.
ONCE THE BUILDING CONSULTANT HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE RESPONSE TO THEIR COMMENTS AND THE UPDATES TO THE DRAWINGS, A MEETING WILL BE HELD AS REQUESTED BY THE BUILDING TO ENSURE ALL PARTIES FIND THE WORK WILL BE, UH, ACCEPTABLE.
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COLLIERS IS FINALIZING THE APPLICATION TO THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, WHICH INCORPORATES THE COMMENTS FROM BUILDINGS, CONSULTANTS, AND ADDITIONAL COMMENTS PROVIDED BY TOWN STAFF.TOWN STAFF AND ITS DESIGN CONSULTANT COLLIERS ARE SCHEDULED TO PROVIDE ANOTHER UPDATE DURING THE MARCH 31ST, UH, TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION MEETING, AT WHICH TIME THEY WILL SHARE THE PROGRESS MADE ON FINALIZING THE DOCUMENTS WITH ALL PARTIES AND SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION TO THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH.
NOW, UM, I ALSO SPOKE, UM, BEEN IN TOUCH WITH BARBARA GRODEN, WHO IS THE MANAGER OF A, OF UM, UH, THE A HUNDRED, UH, EAST TAR AVENUE.
AND SHE INDICATED THAT NO PLAN CAN BE FILED WITH THE COUNTY UNTIL IT IS A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETE AND NO ONE, AND SHE SAID NO ONE BELIEVES THAT THE PLAN IS AT THE STAGE YET THE BOARDS OF, UH, THE INVOLVED BUILDINGS ARE ASKED TO MEET WITH THE TOWN.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE FOR RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME.
UM, AND ALL BOARDS WILL COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR RESIDENTS ONCE THEY HAVE SOME CONCRETE INFORMATION TO SHARE.
AND SHE WANTED TO KNOW, UM, WOULD THE TOWN BOARD MEET WITH THE BUILDING'S REPRESENTATIVES? AND, UH, SHE SAID THAT, UH, SHE HASN'T HEARD BACK FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
I SAID I'D MEET, BUT SHE, YEAH.
SHE WROTE TO ME SAYING THE QUESTION IS, UH, WILL ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS MEET WITH THEM AND HOW SHOULD WE RESPOND TO THAT? SO IT DID.
WELL, LET'S TALK ABOUT TIMING OF THE MEETING.
WELL, ALSO THE OPEN MEETINGS LAW.
SAYS WHEN WE MEET, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE WANTS TO ACHIEVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SHE COULD ACHIEVE IT IF WE HAVE THREE OR MORE BOARD MEMBERS THERE.
YOU'D HAVE TO MEET PAIRS AND OR RIGHT.
UM, ADD IT AS PART OF YOUR WORK SESSION AGENDA.
SO WHEN THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FOR HAVE A, YOU KNOW, HAVE ALL THE RESIDENTS COME, WHICH I THOUGHT IS NOT REALLY PRACTICAL WHEN WE DO IT IN A WORK SESSION.
'CAUSE IT TAKES OVER THE WHOLE WORK SESSION AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THEY SHOULD BE ANSWERED.
SO WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME DOING A COMMUNITY MEETING.
WHICH WE COULD, WHICH WOULD BE FINE.
WE DID IT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
SO, BUT HAVE THE OPEN MEETING LAW APPLY TO THAT.
YOU, TO PUBLICLY NOTICE THAT IT MORE THAN IT APPLIES.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DOING THAT ON SITE OR JUST MEETING WITH THEM? WHAT ON SITE FOR, MAYBE WE COULD DO SOMETHING ON SITE.
SO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, SO REMEMBER WE, WE MET WITH THEM A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO OVER THE SUMMER STAFF AND I, SO WE HAD LEADERSHIP, DPW, MYSELF AND SUPERVISOR MET, UM, 100 EAST HARSDALE, I THINK BOTH BUILDINGS.
I THINK IT WAS EAST IT WAS 194.
WAIT, IT WAS, UH, A HUNDRED, 100 HUNDRED AND 101 20 THAT WE MET, THAT WE MET ON SITE IN A COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS, I THOUGHT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.
UM, AND IT WAS ABLE, EVERYONE WAS ABLE TO HEAR, UM, WHAT WAS GOING ON.
WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE STAFF LEADERSHIP IS THERE AS WELL.
SO THE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AND STUFF THAT WE, WE AS THE BOARD MEMBERS, UM, DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE ABLE TO ANSWER.
UH, THAT WAS COMMISSIONER FA AND, AND DEPUTY COMMISSIONER MODO.
SHE SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR ALL THE TOWN BOARD TO BE THERE.
PROBABLY NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW THESE NO, ALL THE MEETINGS UNDERSTOOD LAWS WORK.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEY'RE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO FINALIZING EVERYTHING ANYWAY, UH, MAYBE, UH, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ASK HER IF SHE COULD SCHEDULE A MEETING RIGHT AFTER EASTER AND PASSOVER.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S LIKE THE SEC WOULD PROBABLY THE SECOND WEEK IN APRIL.
IT COULD BE THE SECOND OR THIRD WEEK IN APRIL.
'CAUSE BY THEN, UH, THEY'LL HAVE WORKED EVERYTHING OUT, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS.
IT PROBABLY WILL BE FOR THE COUNTY.
AND THEN WE COULD ALSO, THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION.
WE COULD ALSO, UM, ASK, UM, THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, DAVID AND MEMORIAL OR, AND KEN JENKINS, IF THEY WOULD WANNA ATTEND, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, I'M SAYING WE COULD, BECAUSE THEN IT'S NOT I KNOW WHY AT THAT, THAT YEAH.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHY WE COULD INVITE THEM TO THE MEETING IF THEY WANT TO ATTEND.
UM, WELL, I THINK THEY WANNA MEET WITH US, SO NO, BUT I'M SAYING RIGHT.
I THINK EVERYTHING'S GONNA BE RESOLVED WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
WELL, WE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE AT THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY, THEY ARE, THEY DO HAVE A BACKLOG AND THE PLANS CANNOT BE COMPLETE UNTIL WE HAVE THE APPROVALS FROM THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
I DON'T THINK THAT PAUL FEINER, PAUL FEINER, I'M SORRY, UH, KEN JENKINS OR DAVID IMMAMORA HAVE THEY, THEY, THEY CERTAINLY, IF THEY WANNA ATTEND, CERTAINLY, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE INSIDE AND AN IN DEPTH INFORMATION.
JUST AS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, UH, RICH FAWN AND FRANK MODO KNOW, OR ANY OF THE ENGINEERS KNOW AND CAN EXPLAIN AN ENGINEERING,
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I WOULD JUST NOTE RIGHT.WHEN IT'S SUBMITTED TO THE, WHEN IT'S FINALIZED AND THEN SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY, THERE COULD BE BACK AND FORTH REGARDING COMMENTS AND POSSIBLE CHANGES.
SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A FINAL PRODUCT AT THAT TIME.
DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GONNA WANNA AND WAIT THAT LAW FIRM UPDATE MEETING THEN? WELL, I DON'T THINK, NOT ACCORDING TO BARBARA.
SHE UNDERSTANDS THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 90% COMPLETE AND A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLETE.
UH, DID YOU ASK CJ OR JASON, HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE HIM TO GO FROM 90 TO A HUNDRED? WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ASKING LIKE ALMOST EVERY DAY FOR, FOR LIKE MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, EVERYTHING'S TAKING MUCH LONGER THAN A NO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU THINK IT'S GONNA BE DONE BY THE END OF EASTER.
IS THAT BASED ON WHAT THEY TOLD YOU? HE HAD ORIGINALLY TOLD ME THAT WE WOULD, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE FINALIZED LIKE A WEEK AGO, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK.
YOU KNOW, BUT IT, IT CAN'T BE FINALIZED UNTIL WE HAVE ANY KIND OF COMMENTARY OR BACK AND FORTH FROM THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT'S, THERE'S REALLY, THAT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
WELL THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, MY FAILING IS THAT, UM, IF WE, UM, I KNOW THEY'RE MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS.
I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE TO COMPLETED.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING ON THIS AND I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET THIS THING ADDRESSED.
SO THE NEXT BIG CHALLENGE AFTER EVERYTHING IS FINALIZED IS TO GET THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO SIGN OFF ON IT.
AND, UM, ELLEN SAID, OH, THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS BACKLOGGED.
BUT YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE RECOGNIZES THAT THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM, WHY ARE YOU PUTTING IT? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOMETHING, LET JUST SAY IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY.
MAYBE IT WOULD WORK THAT WAY IF IT, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A BIG PROBLEM IMPACTING A LOT OF PEOPLE.
MAYBE THEY COULD PUSH IT BIG PROBLEM.
MAYBE THEY COULD PUSH IT TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WELL, REGARDLESS OF THAT, IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO MEETING WITH THEM BEFORE THE COUNTY HAS WEIGHED IN? IS THERE ANYTHING WE'RE SHARING? I'LL ASK, I'LL ASK HER.
THAT, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WITH THE ENGINEER.
'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAS INFORMATION, THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE WITH.
AND THEN BASED ON THAT, WE THEN YOU, THEN WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW WE MOVE NEXT STEPS.
THE OTHER OPTION, OF COURSE, IS IF BARBARA GRODEN AND THE, THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC LIVING IN EAST DALE AND THE, AND THE SITES AFFECTED, IF THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN AMOUNT, 95, 90 8% COMPLETE OR THE COMPLETION BEFORE WE GO AND GET THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FEEDBACK.
IF THERE IS, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT THERE MAY BE CHANGES, THEY WON'T BE, OR IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, HUGE CHANGES, THEN MAYBE THEY WOULD BE OKAY WITH MEETING SOONER SO THAT YOU CAN GET CLOSER TO YOUR TIMETABLE.
SO IF, YOU KNOW, SHOULD I REACH OUT TO BARBARA AND SAY BOARD WOULD BE REACH OUT TO, TO JASON? JASON? NO, BUT I'M THINKING BARBARA, HE CAN SHARE THAT IS RELEVANT NEW.
THAT, THAT CAN BE SHARED WITH BARBARA.
YOU REALLY NEED TO SPEAK TO STAFF.
ARE WE GONNA GO ONTO THE AGENDA NOW? YEAH.
UH, ARE WE GONNA REVIEW OF ICE AND CVP ABUSES RESOLUTION? SO I SENT THIS AROUND LAST NIGHT, UM, WITH A LITTLE EXPLANATION, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT.
UM, THANK YOU TO THE CLERK FOR PRINTING IT OUT WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE MOST PART ARE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED THIS.
YOU ADDED ONE THING AND I ADDED THE, UH, THE, THE LAST BULLET.
I COULDN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY I COULDN'T FORMAT IT AS A BULLET
IT JUST LIKE, WOULDN'T IT WORKED? DO IT
EVEN IF YOU PUT THE CURSOR AT THE END OF THE SEMI, IT WOULD NO, IT WAS A BIG GIANT BULLET.
IT WASN'T LIKE A REGULAR SIZED BULLET.
I WASN'T GONNA SPEND AN HOUR ON THAT.
HOW DIDN'T YOU TELL ME? WHATEVER.
UM, THIS IS TO INCORPORATE SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS BEING, IT WAS PROPOSED BY OUR ASSEMBLY MEMBER, MARY JAMES CHINKY IN THE ASSEMBLY REGARDING A BUFFER, UH, UH, FOR, UH, TO PROTECT AGAINST, UH, POTENTIAL ISSUES AT OUR, UH, POLLING SITES, WHICH I PERSONALLY THINK IS AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO, UH, ADDRESS.
DID SHE PUT A THOUSAND FEET? NOPE.
HERS, HER NUMBER WAS DIFFERENT.
BUT HONESTLY, I MEAN, OTHER AMOUNTS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED MUCH HIGHER THAN THIS TOO.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS SORT OF A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD KIND OF, UH, NUMBER THAT'S BLOCKS AWAY.
WELL, THIS IS NATIONAL LEGISLATION TOO.
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REALLY PREVAIL.SO WHAT MARY JANESKY IS PROPOSING IS FOR NEW YORK, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS AN UNREALISTIC RE REQUEST, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY PURSUE AND TRY TO ENGAGE PEOPLE IN THE NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATION FOR HERE.
THERE MAY BE OTHER, UM, PROPOSALS FROM OTHER ASSEMBLY MEMBERS.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S, I HAD HEARD AT SOME POINT THAT THERE WAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH THAT.
SO, OUTTA OUTTA CURIOSITY MM-HMM
DID THEY, UM, DID THE VILLAGES, THOSE VILLAGES THAT PASSED IT IN GREENBURG MM-HMM
DID THEY PUT, DID THEY, THEY DID NOT ADD THE SAME THING.
BUT TO ME IT'S ONE, IT'S REALLY ONE ISSUE.
UM, AND BEING THAT WE ARE COMING CLOSE UPON AN ELECTION, I THOUGHT IT MADE SENSE TO BE SAFE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW IF THE STATE DOES OR SOMEBODY ELSE DOES MM-HMM
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST WHEN I LOOK AT A THOUSAND FEET AWAY, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO OR THREE BLOCKS AWAY MM-HMM
THEY WOULD BE IN VIOLATION JUST BECAUSE THEY WENT TO GET A DONUT.
THEY WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE'S A POLLING PLACE THERE.
BUT THEY'RE NOW WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET.
WHAT I'VE SEEN IS NO ONE OTHER THAN LOCAL POLICE MM-HMM
CAN BE WITHIN WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT'S HERE, IT'S A HUNDRED FEET.
UM, I'VE SEEN THAT SO THAT IT'S NOT SINGLING OUT ICE, BUT ANY ICE, LIKE
WELL, BUT OUR LOCAL POLICE, UM, MAY HAVE OTHER REASONS WHY THEY MAY NEED TO BE CLOSER, BUT ICE SHOULD NOT, THAT'S NOT UNDER WHAT THEIR, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.
AS OPPOSED TO SIGNALING OUT ONE.
SO DO YOU WANNA BE CONSISTENT WITH THE 200 THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN THE STATE? A MINIMUM OF TWO.
HOW ABOUT A MINIMUM OF 200? THAT'S FINE.
I'LL, I'LL TAKE THAT
IT IT HAS, BUT I CAN SHOW YOU THE OKAY.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU.
YOU WEARING GREEN? WELL LOOK AT THE IRISH TWO FEET.
AND THE OTHER, UM, THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT WERE JUST, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
SO ARE WE KEEPING, SO ARE WE KEEPING ICE FREE BUFFER? IS THAT, ARE WE STILL, ARE WE STILL KEEPING THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE? MINIMUM OF 200 FOOT ICE FREE BUFFER ZONE.
WELL, WHAT DOES THE STATE HAVE? I DUNNO.
MAYOR, MAYOR JANE IS 200 FEET? NO.
THE SPECIFIC OH, THE LANGUAGE.
I STILL LIKE, YOU KNOW, A THOUSAND FEET.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, UM, BECAUSE IT'S 200 FEET WILL STILL, I THINK, UH, DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM, FROM VOTING.
BUT I'D RATHER HAVE 200 FEET THAN NOTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT GOING TO, AND AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE DONE BY THE STATE.
SO IF WE SAY 200 AND THEY GO A THOUSAND OR 2000, WELL THERE'S A PROPOSAL OUT THERE FOR 200 FEET ALREADY.
MIGHT GET AMEND, BUT I DON'T SEE THEM NECESSARILY GOING AT FROM 200, 2000.
WHATEVER THEY, WAS THERE ANY MORE SPECIFIC FEDERAL, UM, SUGGEST SUGGESTION ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR THE BUFFER ZONE? DO YOU KNOW? NO.
I MEAN, UM, CONGRESSMAN LATIMER HAS THE POINT ACT ABOUT TO PROTECT VOTING MM-HMM
BUT DOES NOT, THAT DOES NOT CREATE A BUFFER ZONE.
UM, AND THE OTHER, UH, EDITS WERE SIMPLY BASED ON WHAT WE WERE SAYING, WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA ADDRESS RESIDENTS HERE.
WE'RE SAYING ALL OVER NATIONWIDE.
SO IF WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT, I CAN MAKE REVISIONS FOR, BUT WE JUST NEED TO CONFIRM THE STATE LANGUAGE FIRST TIME.
UM, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC, I DID WANT TO REPORT BACK ABOUT THE PRESENTATION AT WILLO MM-HMM
UM, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE SUPERVISOR HAD BROUGHT UP ABOUT KNOW YOUR RIGHT.
UH, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS PRESENTATION.
I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW I SENT THAT AROUND.
SO, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS SNOWING LAST THURSDAY, I WENT UP TO STANFORD.
IT WAS A POUND RIDGE, UM, FOR THE EVENT BECAUSE THEY HAD COROLLA BROCO, UM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORS LINK DOING A PRESENTATION ON MUNICIPAL RESPONSE TO ICE.
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WAS SO GOOD.AND IT WAS, UM, QUITE, UH, EYE-OPENING, UH, WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT SHE SAID SHOULD BE IN PLACE.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO STILL.
SO, UM, AND THEN I REACHED OUT AND THEN YOU MENTIONED LEY HART, WHICH IS A GOOD ORGANIZATION.
I DID REACH OUT TO NANCY KABUL FOR HER PERSPECTIVE, AND SHE SAID THEY'RE VERY GOOD, BUT THEY ARE RESIDENTS.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT LAWYERS.
THEY CAN'T GIVE IT, YOU KNOW, LEGAL ADVICE ON IMMIGRATION LAW.
SO SHE SUGGESTED THAT WE USE NEIGHBORS LINK TO DO THE PRESENTATIONS.
AND THERE'S, THERE ARE DIFFERENT ONES.
SO THERE'S ONE THAT'S ABOUT, UM, KNOWING YOUR RIGHTS, WHICH IS REALLY MORE FOR RESIDENTS, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE MUNICIPAL ONE.
AND SHE SAID THAT THE KEY IS TO HAVE THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE SCHOOL, THE CHIEF WITH US TALKING ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH OUR POLICY.
SO, SO I JUST, JUST SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA SEE SURE.
SO IS A SUGGESTION THAT THEY MEET AND TRAIN US FIRST, AND THEN WE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH RESIDENTS ON THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE CONJOINED.
ONE IS REALLY FOR, FOR RESIDENTS.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE, SO THERE'S A RESIDENCE TRAINING AND THERE'S LIKE, THERE'S A MANAGEMENT TRAINING AND EMPLOYEE TRAINING.
SO THERE'S A RESIDENT TRAINING AND A STAFF.
UM, THE, AND THEY DO, I'M SORRY.
UH, SHE DOES A WEBINAR, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, A SMALL, YOU KNOW, A GROUP MM-HMM
UM, SO THAT WHOEVER NEEDS TO BE PART OF THAT, UH, CAN BE PART OF THAT.
ATTORNEY GENERAL LETITIA JAMES PUT OUT A VERY THOROUGH AND COMPREHENSIVE, I PRINTED OFF SOME OF IT, UM, FOR THAT IT IS ACCESSIBLE, WAS SENT OUT, I THINK TO MUNICIPALITIES.
AND CERTAINLY WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE ONLINE AFTER, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME SORT OF PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE A SECTION OF KNOW YOUR RIGHTS OR, YOU KNOW.
SO DO WE WANNA LOOK AT A DATE WHERE WE MIGHT WANNA SEE IF SHE, UH, UH, IF NEIGHBORS LINK COROLLA IS AVAILABLE TO COME SPEAK TO US? WELL, SHE CAN GIVE US A COUPLE OF DATES SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT WE GOT GOING ON.
'CAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON.
WE CAN IN A, IN A WORK SESSION.
IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT? ALRIGHT.
WELL, ALMOST GLAD YOU'RE HAPPY.
EVERY HAPPY NOW EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH, I'M GONNA, I'LL CIRCULATE CHANGES.
OKAY, SO NEXT ITEM IS THE A DU DISCUSSION.
I'VE GOT, DO YOU NEED THIS? I AM.
GARY DUQUE HERE, COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF UNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION.
AND WE'RE HERE TO BUILD ON OUR A DU DISCUSSION.
THE LAST TIME WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING WAS BACK IN DECEMBER, AND WE'RE QUEUED UP TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 25TH.
THE PURPOSE FOR THE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON OR THIS EVENING IS TO GET SOME DIRECTION ON WHICH LOCAL LAW TO POST IN SUPPORT OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING NEXT WEEK.
SO JUST TO RECAP, THE PRIOR LOCAL LAW ENABLED THE THREE TYPES OF ADUS, OF COURSE, WITH THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE, UH, TIER STRUCTURE.
AND JUST TO RECAP, THAT WAS 20,000 SQUARE FEET FOR AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT.
THAT'S THE PROTOTYPICAL ACCESSORY UNIT IN THE BACKYARD.
FREESTANDING, UH, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM FOR, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE ON A HOUSE EXPANSION OR IN A ACCESSORY GARAGE.
AND WE HAD MOST RECENTLY CAME DOWN TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF AN EXISTING HOME.
AND THEN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE LAST REMAINING QUESTION OF THE BOARD WAS WHETHER TO LOWER THAT 7,500, MAKE THAT 7,500 STANDARD ALSO APPLICABLE TO DETACHED GARAGES.
UM, SO WE DID RESEARCH AND EVALUATED WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN.
THE LAW AS IT STOOD BEFORE THESE, THIS LATEST DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ACCESSORY GARAGES GOING DOWN TO 7,500, THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT THERE ARE ABOUT 242 ACCESSORY GARAGES THAT WOULD APPLY.
THEY'RE OVER, THEY'RE ON LOTS THAT ARE OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO THE QUESTION OF LOWERING THAT STANDARD TO 7,500 WOULD ENABLE AN ADDITIONAL 20
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EXISTING GARAGES.SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION THERE.
SO WE DRILLED DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER TO GET A SENSE OF HOW PREVALENT ARE THOSE 20 WITHIN THE R FIVE DISTRICTS, WHICH HAVE, UH, NO DRIVEWAY SIDE YARD SETBACKS, UH, THAT DO MIND YOU HAVE SETBACKS FOR THE ACCESSORY GARAGE EIGHT FEET.
AND IT TURNS OUT THAT, UH, NINE OF THOSE 2 62 ARE IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT.
AND THEN WHEN WE TOOK A FURTHER LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, ACTUALLY MOST OF THE EIGHT OF THOSE NINE ARE ON LOTS OVER 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND, AND ONE OF THE NINE WAS AN ACCESSORY GARAGE THAT WAS BETWEEN 70 510,000.
SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE THE FACTS THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, DUG UP AND, AND TO GET PUT AT YOUR DISPOSAL TO JUST PUT YOU IN A POSITION TO, UH, I JUST AM WONDERING, UH, WHAT THE LOT SIZES ARE IN THE OTHER, UH, RIVER TOWN, YOU KNOW, VILLAGES, UM, YOU KNOW, IN GREENBURG BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT, YOU KNOW, CAROLINE AND OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, RAISED WAS THAT WE'RE MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SMALLER LOTS, UH, AND WHO MAY BENEFIT THE MOST FROM ADUS TO BUILD ADUS.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT, YOU KNOW, IS THE, THE 7,500, UH, FIT, IS THAT FEET, IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE OTHER VILLAGES THAT HAVE, UM, A DU LEGISLATION HAVE IMPLEMENTED? SO ABOUT HALF THE COMMUNITIES IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY HAVE AN A DU LAW.
I THINK A MAJORITY, MAJORITY OF THEM DO NOT HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZE STANDARDS.
I CAN'T RECALL OFFHAND WHAT THE, THE SCENARIO IS OF THE VILLAGES.
I THINK AT LEAST HALF OR MORE THAN HALF OF THE VILLAGES HAVE AN A DU LAW.
I JUST CAN'T RECALL IF ANY OF THEM THEY DON HAVE LOT TIMES.
YOU DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THEM HAVE? YEAH, WE, WE HAD A SPREADSHEET THAT I HAD MADE.
I COULD, I COULD LOOK INTO THAT.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE MADE GOOD PROGRESS WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO REINVENT THE WHEEL NOW.
LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, LET'S DEAL WITH THIS.
YOU KNOW, GARRETT'S DONE A LOT OF WORK.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
UM, DO WE HAVE WHAT YOU, YOU WERE READING FROM REGARDING BRINGING IT YES.
THERE'S COMBINATION OF THINGS.
THERE'S SOME OF THOSE STATISTICS.
WHAT'S THE DATE OF THE EMAIL? UM, MOST RECENTLY SENT OUT YESTERDAY, EARLY EVENING.
AND THAT EMAIL, FOUR 12 HAS SOME OF THOSE STATISTICS THAT I JUST READ.
BUT IT ALSO HAS A SPREADSHEET WHICH WAS DELIVERED BY THE ASSESSOR'S DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS AMAZING.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO FILTER ALL KINDS OF STATISTICS.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO RUN QUERIES ON ZONES, LOT SIZES, FILTER OUT, UH, THOSE THAT HAVE, UH, ACCESSORY GARAGES.
SO THAT, THAT WAS A GREAT RESOURCE TO HAVE.
I DIDN'T SEE THOSE FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
IT'S QUITE, I DIDN'T SEE ALL THIS.
I MEAN, I THINK THE GOOD NEWS IS THE INTENT INITIALLY WAS TO ALLOW A BROAD RANGE OF ADUS.
AND I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT THAT'S BEEN DONE AND AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF ACCESSORY, UH, DETACHED GARAGES IN THE TOWN, UM, WOULD BE ELIGIBLE.
UM, AND ULTIMATELY IF YOU, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SETBACKS? YEAH.
SO THE, THE LOCAL LAW IS READY TO GO WITH THE CAVEAT THAT IF THE BOARD WERE TO ALLOW THE 7,500 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIZE FOR THE DETACHED GARAGES, TWO THINGS NEED TO HAPPEN IN THAT INSTANCE.
AND THOSE ARE WHAT I HANDED OUT THIS EVENING.
AND THEY'RE CHANGES IN COLOR ON PAGES FIVE AND SEVEN.
AND THE FIRST IS, IS RATHER SIMPLE, IT JUST MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT, UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE STANDARD WOULD, COULD BE LOWERED FOR, FOR THOSE, UH, TYPES OF ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
BUT THEN PAGE SEVEN, UH, WHICH IS THE FLIP SIDE OF WHAT I PASSED OUT, IS THE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT.
AND WHAT IT STATES IS THAT IN THE R FIVE ZONING DISTRICT, FOR THOSE ADUS, THEY'RE UNLOCKS 7,500 OR GREATER.
ON THE ORDER OF, UH, 9,000 OR SO, SINGLE
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FAMILY LOTS, THERE WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE DRIVEWAY SETBACKS ADHERE TO THE R SEVEN FIVE DISTRICT.NOW WHAT ABOUT THE STRUCTURE? THE STRUCTURE WOULD COMPLY WITH THE UNDERLYING SETBACK.
SO IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT IT'S EIGHT FEET AND THE 7.5 IS 10, 10 ON ONE SIDE.
THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND THE R SEVEN FIVE IS 10.
UH, OF THE GARAGES THAT YOU LOOKED AT, HOW MANY, UH, IN THAT ARE, UH, HOW MANY, HOW MANY ARE 10 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE? IT LOOKS LIKE THREE OF THE NINE MEET THE EIGHT.
I SEE A SECOND AT 10 FEET SETBACK FROM THE SIDE YARD.
AND THEN I THOUGHT THERE WAS THREE.
I'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT THAT THIRD IS TALKING ABOUT.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE'S ONE PERSON THAT COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS BY GOING FROM 10,000 SQUARE FEET TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET? IT APPEARS THAT THERE, THAT WOULD MAKE 20 ELIGIBLE ADDITIONAL GARAGES? YEAH.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN R FIVE.
WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTIES THAT DON'T HAVE 10 FOOT SETBACK.
SO EIGHT OF THE NINE IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT ARE ON LOTS OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER.
HISTORICALLY THEY WOULD'VE COMPLIED WITH.
SO THEY MAY HAVE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE AT ZERO AND PRESUMABLY, UH, THOSE GARAGES WOULD BE AT EIGHT FEET.
SO SUMMER ZERO, UM, SEE THAT I WOULDN'T MIND TO THAT.
SO THERE COULD BE GARAGES THAT ARE, IF THEY GOT VARIANCES OR THEY WERE BUILT WAY BACK CLOSE.
BUT THEY WERE BUILT FOR A GARAGE AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER DWELLING.
AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER DWELLING.
BUT WE HAD, WHEN WE TALKED LAST TIME, WE SAID THAT ACTUALLY THE NOISE CONCERNS OF A GARAGE ARE AS VARIABLE, POTENTIALLY AS OF, UH, AS, AS IN A RESIDENCE.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T AGREE TO THAT.
WELL, USES FOR GARAGES ARE, ARE VARIED.
PEOPLE DO DO NOISY THINGS IN GARAGES.
IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT PLAYING MUSIC IN A GARAGE GENERALLY AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT OR WATCHING TELEVISION.
THEY'RE REHEARSING AND YOU OPEN THE WINDOW MM-HMM
AND IF YOU DROP SOMETHING, YOU'RE ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
SO WHEN THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE VARIANCE PROCESS, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD ANYWAY, AND SEE IF THEY, SO THERE'S SOME THAT WOULD COMPLY, SOME THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE SETBACK.
AND SOME THAT THE WAY THIS IS STRUCTURED IN THE R IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT, IF THE GARAGE IS EIGHT FEET OR MORE MM-HMM
IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE WITHOUT A VARIANCE.
SO IT'S EIGHT FEET AND AN R FIVE THOUGH.
AND THERE ARE R SEVEN FIVE, THE GARAGE WOULD BE 10 AND THEN RIGHT.
PROPORTIONALLY UP TO THE R 40.
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I MEAN, DO WE HAVE THAT BREAKDOWN? THE EIGHT FOOT? THOSE THAT ARE WITH EIGHT FOOT, I'M SORRY, 20 ALTOGETHER.I MEAN WE'RE JUST BREAKING ALL DOWN FURTHER AND FURTHER.
BUT DO WE BUT SOME OF THEM ARE IN PROPERTY LINE OF THOSE 20.
SO THOSE WOULD BE EXCLUDED IN THE PROCESS I WOULD IMAGINE.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
I WASN'T, MAJORITY OF THE DETACHED OF THE NINE ARE CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, IT'S A VARIETY, BUT LESS THAN EIGHT.
AND THOSE POTENTIALLY, THOSE PEOPLE COULD SEEK VARIANCES IF THEY WANT TO APPLY.
SO LIKE, I REALLY DON'T WANNA HOLD THIS UP BASED ON, YOU KNOW, FIVE, SIX
I THINK ATTACHED GARAGE SHOULD HAVE A 10 FOOT SETBACK OPERATOR.
WOULD WE BE, OH WAIT, WAIT, IT ALREADY HAS EIGHT.
YOU'RE SAYING TO HAVE IT ADHERE TO THE R SEVEN FIVE DISTRICT IN BOTH DRIVEWAY SETBACKS AND, WELL, WE WENT DOWN TO SEVEN FIVE AND THEN WE WERE SEEING WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO? BUT NOW YOU HAVE AN R FIVE, BUT I THINK JUST THINK IN GENERAL TO CONVERT, YOU NEED AN AREA TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A BUFFER.
SO THERE COULD BE SOME LANDSCAPER, SOMETHING.
AND YOU'RE SAYING EIGHT FOOT IS NOT ENOUGH.
I'M SAYING SINCE WE WENT TO SEVEN FIVE, RIGHT.
AND SEVEN FIVE IS A 10 FOOT SETBACK.
I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THAT AS THE STANDARD.
WE MAY CHANGE THAT AFTER WE STUDY THIS FOR A YEAR.
SO WE WENT DOWN TO SEVEN FIVE.
SO IF WE, BUT R FIVE HAS A EIGHT FOOT SETBACK.
BUT WE DIDN'T GO DOWN TO R FIVE, WE WENT DOWN TO SEVEN, FIVE WAIT, A 7,500, RIGHT.
UH, UH, SQUARE, UM, SQUARE FOOT LOT.
AND SO IF WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW R FIVE TO, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A BIG LOT, JUST 'CAUSE THEY HAVE A BIG LOT, UM, TO BE CLOSER TO THEIR NEIGHBOR, THEN WE ARE ALLOWING EVERYBODY ELSE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE ADVOCATING IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU WANT THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND ONE OF THE WAYS OF NOT MAKING IT SUCCESSFUL IS HAVE PEOPLE ALL OF A SUDDEN FIND OUT THAT THEY HAVE A DWELLING ON THEIR PROPERTY LINE.
YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE SAME TYPE OF PROVISION THAT WE'VE ADDED TO OFF STREET PARKING FOR THE R 75 TO BE ADDED TO SECTION FOUR ZONING CONFORMANCE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT SETBACKS.
AND IT WOULD HAVE THAT QUALIFIER.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE JUST SAYING IS THAT IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT, THE SETBACK WOULD FOR, UH, FOR A GARAGE WOULD HAVE TO BE 10 FEET.
THIS WEEK WE HEARD FROM A RESIDENT WHO HAS, UM, A CHILD WHO'S DEVELOP, LET'S NOT, SORRY PAUL.
NO, IT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AND IMPORTANT TO YOU COULD BE TWO SEPARATE.
NO, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AS THE MOTHER OF A CHILD WHO HAS A DISABILITY.
SO ALL I'M, I, I WANNA GET THIS PASSED.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT I'M WONDERING IF, UM, AN INTEREST OF COMPROMISE, UM, WE COULD, IF WE PASS A A DU LAW, BUT MOVE THE SEC FRANCIS INDICATED THAT WE COULD ADDRESS, UM, THE CONCERNS THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL HAD, UH, THROUGH A CODE CHANGE.
SO RATHER THAN WAIT SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR TO A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, COULD WE TAKE IT OUT OF ORDER? IT'S A ONE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
NO, LET, LET ME, I'M ASKING YOU A QUESTION.
NO, I'M SAYING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LEGISLATION, BUT I'M SAYING COULD WE, WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AT THE SAME TIME, DO THE, DO LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ENABLE HIM, BECAUSE HE IS VERY STRESSED OUT.
HE HAS A DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABLED CHILD.
SO WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT FRANCIS SAID IS PART OF THEIR PROPOSED CODE.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS COULD WE TAKE THAT OUT OF, OR TAKE THAT OUT OF ORDER AND ADOPT THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, MAY COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
SO WE COULD HELP THIS INDIVIDUAL, UH, ALMOST IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, REALLY QUICKLY AND NOT WAIT UNTIL, UH, THE WHOLE
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WE ALL FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS JUST REACH OUT TO THEM, GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA MEET THEIR NEEDS.
THEY MAY SAY, IF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO X, Y, AND Z IN FIVE YEARS, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
YOU UNDERSTAND? AND IF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN 2 85 IS CONSISTENT THERE, I THINK WE'LL BE DONE BEFORE FIVE YEARS.
LET'S FIND OUT HOW IMMEDIATE THEIR NEED IS.
THAT'S, LET'S JUST GET BETTER.
I THINK WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION THE LAST WEEK, UM, AND THAT'S WHY I SAID IT MAY BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT.
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UH, TO PUT A SECOND DWELLING ON 6,000 SQUARE FEET IS A REAL CHALLENGE.UH, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING BY EXPANDING, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF, BY EXPANDING THEIR EXISTING HOUSE POTENTIALLY.
AND STILL MAYBE NOT, POTENTIALLY, MAYBE NOT, BUT POTENTIALLY EXPAND THEIR EXISTING HOUSE AND HAVE A SEPARATE AREA.
'CAUSE I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME KIND OF SEPARATION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD REALLY HAVE AN IDEA AND REALLY SPEAK WITH THE, WITH THE RESIDENTS SO YOU CAN GET A CLEAN, CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AND 'CAUSE THAT ONE-ON-ONE INTIMATE DIALOGUE, YOU MAY LEARN MORE THAN WHAT WAS DESCRIBED HERE US.
BUT I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
AND PAUL, YOU SAID IN AN EMAIL TODAY YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR MEETINGS GO ON SO LONG, AND THIS IS WHY, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATION ON ONE THING.
AND WHILE WE ALL REALLY DO CARE ABOUT THIS GENTLEMAN, WE CARE ABOUT HIS SON, WE CARE ABOUT HIS PLIGHT.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT MAKES MEETINGS GO LONG BECAUSE WE'RE CHANGING TOPIC AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE COME UP FINE.
YOU CHANGE THE TOPIC, YOU'VE ADDED TWO TOPICS, BUT GARRETT CAME UP WITH AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION.
SO LET'S GET MORE DATA, DATA, REAL ACTIONABLE DATA OR NOT ACTIONABLE BEFORE WE START CHANGING LAWS WILLY-NILLY.
BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO SETTING A PRECEDENT.
SO EVERY RESIDENT WHO COMES TO US WITH A PROBLEM, WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR ZONING CODES FOR IMMEDIATELY OUT OF SYNC WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE LET, LET'S JUST FOLLOW THE LOGIC OF WHAT GARRETT SAID.
THE, THE ONLY REASON I DISAGREE IS BECAUSE HE, HE MAY NOT WANNA WAIT FIVE YEARS.
AND THE THING IS, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY HE'S GONNA GATHER MORE INFORMATION.
YOU COULD HAVE A, WE COULD HAVE A BOARD OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW OR ONE YEAR FROM NOW, WE COULD HAVE A WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST ABOUT GATHERING INFORMATION FROM? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I FEEL LIKE ALL I'M SAYING IS WHY CAN'T WE KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE? WE KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER FAMILY, I MET OTHER FAMILIES, UM, OVER THE WEEKEND WHO HAVE, UH, WHO ALSO ASKED ABOUT, UM, UH, WHO ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT, UM, UM, CHILDREN WITH WHO HAVE DEVELOPMENTAL, UM, YOU KNOW, DISABILITIES AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN IT.
SO IT'S NOT ONLY THIS INDIVIDUAL, THERE'S, THERE MAY BE LOT AND WE CAN'T DO IT UNTIL WE PASS AN A DU LAW AT ALL.
SO LET'S FINISH THAT AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THE CODES IN 2 85.
WELL, ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT IF WE COULD, IF YOU COULD TRY EXPEDITING THAT BECAUSE THIS WAY WE COULD GET IT DONE, UH, SOONER AND HELP, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH DEVELOPMENTALLY DISABILITIES, DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES HAVE CONCERNS AND THE FRANCIS' PROPOSED CODE CHANGES, UH, WOULD ADDRESS THE PROBLEM.
THAT IS FANTASTIC AND IT'S APPRECIATED.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS TO GET SOMETHING DONE.
WE COULD GET SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CONTROVERSIAL THAT ALL OF US, YOU KNOW, ONE, WE SHOULD GET THAT, THIS AS, THAT THAT LEGISLATION SHOULD BE ADOPTED BY THE END OF THIS YEAR OR, OR EARLIER WITHIN MONTHS.
I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE FOR US TO CALL THE VOTE ON THIS.
HE'S GOING TO, MY PLAN OF ACTION HERE IS TO, UH, TWEAK THIS LOCAL A DU LAW.
I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE TO POST IT FOR THE WEEKEND IN SUPPORT OF THE HEARING X WEDNESDAY.
WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE CHANGE WE JUST DISCUSSED.
SETBACKS FOR BOTH THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL AS THE UH OKAY.
SHOULD GET THAT OUT TOMORROW, I THINK.
SUGGEST ITEM A SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE PRESENTATION.
NO, THERE, THERE IS NO POWERPOINT BY THE WAY.
WE, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS MISSING SOMETHING.
JOE LU LUCAS, UH, COMMISSIONER OF PARKS OF RECREATION.
UM, I'VE BEEN SIDETRACKED WITH SOME PERSONAL ISSUES OVER THE WEEKEND, BUT I DID WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THIS AND SO I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH GIVING YOU WHAT I'M GONNA READ TO YOU TODAY.
SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, UM, THE LARGEST TOWN IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY IS GREENBURG.
AND THAT COMES INTO PLAY HERE BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TAKING CARE OF SIDEWALKS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT ONLY DOING LINEAR FEET, BUT ALSO PICKING UP AND GOING FROM PLACE TO PLACE TO PLACE MOVING EQUIPMENT EACH TIME.
SO PUTTING THIS TOGETHER WAS, UH, I, I FOUND THIS TO BE A DIFFICULT TASK.
I TOOK A LOT OF RAW DATA THAT I PICKED UP FROM GARRETT AND ALSO THAT, UH, AMANDA PROVIDED TO ME.
BUT I WANTED TO GO THROUGH REAL QUICKLY WHAT WE ARE PRESENTLY DOING RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
THE SOUTH SIDE FROM CENTRAL AVENUE TO EDGEMONT ROAD, THE NORTH SIDE FROM EDGEMONT ROAD ACROSS THE BRIDGE IN SCARSDALE.
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AVENUE AND LAWTON AVENUE TOWN CLEARS ONE SECTION ON THE WEST SIDE, UH, FROM COLUMBIA TO LAWTON, THE SOUTH SIDE FROM LAWTON TO COLUMBIA TO WILSON, SECOR ROAD, SOUTH SIDE GREENBURG HOUSING AUTHORITY DRIVEWAY TO SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, OTHER AREAS THAT WE MAINTAIN.I 2 87 OVERPASS BRIDGES AT HILLSIDE AVENUE AND OLD ROAD.
UM, ROUTE ONE 19 PROSPECT AVENUE TO THE I 2 87 OFF RAMP, INCLUDING THE ISLAND AT NORTH PLACE AND GIBSON CENTRAL AVENUE, INVERNESS ROAD TO ARLEY ROAD, INCLUDING THE FRONTAGE OF OF PRESSER PARK, FISHER LANE, BRONX RIVER PARKWAY TO THE EAST SIDE OF BRONX RIVER, EAST HARSDALE AVENUE, ROCKLEDGE ROAD LOOP, DESANT PLAZA, THE FRONT OF THE TRAIN STATION, FENNEMORE ROAD BRIDGE, EAST SIDE, UH, TO THE STATION ENTRANCE, THE FRONT OF BOB GOLD PARKLET SAWMILL RIVER ROAD IN FRONT OF POCAN PARK TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY PROPERTY, OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD IN FRONT OF OTR PARK, HILLCREST ROAD FROM RIDGE ROAD AT THE TOP, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MAPLE, MAPLE STREET, PAYNE STREET, CABOT AVENUE TO ABBOTT AVENUE.
UH, THIS LIST DOES NOT INCLUDE PLOWING THE PARK ENTRANCES JUST TO KEEP THE PARKS OPEN FOR EGRESS OR THE SIDEWALKS LOCATED WITHIN THE PARKS.
SO ALL THE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN VETERAN PARK, OR LET'S SAY EAST RUMBAR PARK, ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS BECAUSE I DIDN'T COUNT THEM AS A PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
SO THOSE ARE WHAT WE DO PRESENTLY.
SO I TOOK THE LIST OF POTENTIAL SIDEWALKS THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE POSSIBLY DOING, AND THAT WAS REALLY THE, UM, THE TEST AT HAND.
OKAY? SO WE CAME OUT WITH EIGHT AND A HALF MILES OF SIDEWALK POTENTIALLY.
UH, AND WE CALL THESE TIER ONE OR MACHINE FRIENDLY SIDEWALKS.
MACHINE FRIENDLY SIDEWALKS ARE ONES THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY USE ONE OF OUR PLOWING MACHINES ON.
UM, TIER TWO SIDEWALKS OR LABOR INTENSIVE SIDEWALKS.
THESE ARE SIDEWALKS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO USE SHOVELS ONLY, AND THEY HAVE TO JUST BE DONE WITH MANPOWER BECAUSE OF UNEVENNESS OR NOT BEING WIDE ENOUGH TO ACTUALLY BRING IN A MACHINE.
SO WE ENDED UP WITH, UM, 1.8 MILES OF TIER TWO SIDEWALKS.
UM, AND THEN WE TRIED TO ESTIMATE HOW MANY MAN HOURS IT WOULD TAKE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE.
WE ESTIMATED 64 HOURS OF TIER 180 8 HOURS AT TIER TWO FOR A TOTAL OF 152 ADDITIONAL STAFF HOURS PER STORM.
THESE STORMS ARE BASED ON A SIX INCH SNOWSTORM, SIX INCH SNOWSTORM IF YOU MIGHT JUST OFF THE TOP.
GRANTED THIS IS ALL JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING THIS UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AFTER THREE INCHES WE GO OUT AND WE START TO, UH, CLEAR THE SNOW.
'CAUSE DON'T FORGET IT DIDN'T STOP SNOWING.
SO WE GO AGAIN AND WE'LL PROBABLY GO A THIRD TIME ALSO.
THE THIRD TIME WOULD BE TO CLEAR UP ANYTHING THAT WAS PUSHED ONTO THE SIDEWALKS.
AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THERE ARE MANY SIDEWALKS THAT WE CLEAR MULTIPLE TIMES MORE THAN THAT.
UM, THE MAN HOURS THAT YOU QUOTED, OR MEN AND WOMEN ERRORS YOU QUOTED, UM, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE MULTIPLE TRIPS OR IS THAT PER CLEARANCE? THAT IS, THAT WOULD BE IF WE BROUGHT IN, SO WHAT, I'LL JUMP TO THE NEXT ONE, WHICH WAS HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD IT TAKE TO GET IT DONE? AND SO WE'RE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE IN, UH, A SITUATION WHERE WE MIGHT BE WORKING 16 HOUR DAYS, TWO EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS BACK TO BACK.
THIS IS ALSO GONNA INCLUDE OVERTIME.
SO WE, WE CAME UP WITH THE FACT THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO HAVE A 10 ADDITIONAL WORKERS TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THOSE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS AND THOSE ADDITIONAL WORKERS WOULD COME AT A PRICE OF APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS BETWEEN THEIR SALARY, THEIR OVERTIME, AND THEIR BENEFITS.
EACH ADDITIONAL, EACH, EACH ADDITIONAL FULL-TIME WORKER IS APPROXIMATELY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
WHY WOULD YOU DO FULL-TIME WORKERS AND NOT PARTTIME? BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIND PART-TIME WORKERS DURING THESE SITUATIONS.
YEAH, BECAUSE WHERE DO WE GET 'EM IF WE'RE NOT KEEPING THEM ON THE PAYROLL THE REST OF THE TIME? BUT YOU USE A LOT OF SEASONAL ONLY DURING THE SUMMER THOUGH, WHERE WE CAN GIVE THEM A LONG PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THEY'RE WORKING.
SO THERE'S NO, WHAT IF WE, I'M SORRY, THERE'S NO SEASONAL WINTER.
THERE ARE NO SEASONAL WINTER WORK.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T TRY A SEASONAL WINTER.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT IF WE, I'M JUST THROWING OUT AN IDEA BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T ALWAYS SNOW WE DON'T HAVE THIS YEAR WAS LIKE, I WASN'T USED.
DON'T FORGET, I WAS ONLY USING SIX INCH SNOWFALLS THOUGH, AND I WAS NOT USING THE BIG, SO WHY IF THE TOWN SORT OF AS A NEXT, YOU KNOW, JUST AS AN IDEA, WHAT IF WE DID LIKE A, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS SAYING THAT, UH, SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INTERESTED IN, UM, UM, ADDRESSING, UM, YOU KNOW, SNOW REMOVAL ON SIDEWALKS.
UM, AND WE JUST WANT TO GET PROPOSALS FROM VENDORS.
IT COULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, GAS STATIONS THAT MIGHT HAVE
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FILING SERVICES AND WE WOULD ONLY USE THEM ON, UM, AN AS NEEDED BASIS.AND WE, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UM, IF ANYBODY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE INDIVIDUALS, IT COULD BE, UM, COMPANIES OR WHATEVER.
WE'LL ONLY USE 'EM IF, UM, IF IT'S NEEDED AND WE JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE PRICE WOULD BE AND THEY COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'LL DO TAXI ROAD AT THE SIDEWALK THERE AND WE WILL, WE WILL CHARGE YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO HIRE AS NEEDED OR HIRE THEM FULLY AS PART, FULLY AS PART-TIME AND THEN USE THEM AS NEEDED.
NO, I'M SAYING AS NEEDED IF IT SNOWS ON.
SO NO, WE WOULD BASICALLY SAY WE'RE LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA, UM, ADDRESS SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, CLEARANCE, YOU KNOW, ISSUES.
WE WANNA FIND OUT WHAT THEY WOULD IF, IF THERE, SO IF THERE WERE NO SNOW STORMS, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THEM.
IF THERE ARE FEW SNOW STORMS, WE WOULD, HOW DO YOU ENSURE PEOPLE LIKE THAT? SO, UM, HOW DO YOU, IN ONE OF MY OTHER CAPACITIES, I'M PRESIDENT OF A CO-OP IN, IN DOPPS FERRY, WE HAVE THREE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.
WE'VE TRIED TO EMPLOY THAT EXACT SCENARIO AND WE FIND IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
YOU HAVE TO CONTRACT WITH A COMPANY THAT IS GOING TO GET PAID WHETHER IT SNOWS OR NOT.
YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY THEM A MONTHLY FEE AND IF IT DOESN'T SNOW, YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY THEM A MONTHLY FEE.
NOW HERE'S THE COMPLICATION WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THOUGH, IN A YEAR WHERE IT'S VERY HEAVY SNOW, YOU MIGHT FIND THAT SOME OF THE DPW WORKERS MIGHT REALLY ARE TIRED OF WORKING IN A, IN AN AVERAGE YEAR.
ARE YOU TAKING AWAY THEIR OVERTIME? THIS IS A CON COMPLICATED SITUATION THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS IF IT CAME UP, BECAUSE THEN THERE'S A UNION INVOLVED, THERE'S A UNION SITUATION INVOLVED.
YOU COULD BASICALLY SAY, UH, IF THERE, WE WOULD BASICALLY, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, WE COULD JUST TRY IT.
WE COULD SAY IF, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, UH, ALLOCATE EVERYBODY BETWEEN NOW AND THE WINTER.
AND IF NOBODY CONTACTS US, AT LEAST WE TRIED.
IF, UH, IF THEY DO CONTACT US, THEN UH, WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GIVE, UH, THIS WOULD ONLY BE USED.
YOU SAID THIS IS ONLY GONNA GIVE WHAT I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW YOU.
IT ONLY BE USED, UH, ON AN A AS REQUESTED, YOU KNOW, BASIS.
WHAT IF THE TOWN IS UNABLE TO HANDLE, YOU KNOW, THE SNOW REMOVAL, THEN WE WOULD USE THESE COMPANIES.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT INHOUSE, WE'LL DO IT IN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO IT INHOUSE.
UH, AND THEN WE COULD BASICALLY SEE IF ANY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S DIFFERENT'S SORT OF DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, YOU LIVE IN A COMPLEX WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALLER COMPLEX.
IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED, THEN WE HAVE A WHOLE LIST OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OF SIDEWALKS THAT NEED TO BE, UM, CLEARED.
WE MAY GET A VENDOR THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN HELPING OUT.
SO LET'S TALK ABOUT 2D THINGS HERE.
ONE IS, WHEN I FIRST STARTED OUT, I, I, I TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW MM-HMM
AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW STRESSES OUR STAFF TREMENDOUSLY MM-HMM
TO GET THAT DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER.
BECAUSE DON'T FORGET, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS IN A TIMELY MANNER.
THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING DOWN TO THE SCARSDALE TRAIN STATION, THE HARTSDALE TRAIN STATION, THEY, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN ICY ROAD AND WE DIDN'T GET TO IT.
AND WE GO DOWN THERE, WE TAKE CARE OF IT, AND THEN WE COME BACK.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, HOW WE ENDED UP DOING A LOT OF SIDEWALKS.
I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THAT, THAT GOES BACK EVEN BEFORE ME.
BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT A FACT THAT MANY OF OUR PARKS ARE NOT EVEN GETTING CLEANED INTERNALLY BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING ON PUBLIC ROADS NOW WITHOUT ALL THESE ADDITIONAL ROADS.
I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS SET UP TO TAKE ON MUCH MORE WITHOUT BEING STRESSED OUT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SENIOR CENTER THAT WE HAVE TO GET THE PARKING LOT CLEANED.
WE HAVE TO GET ALL THOSE SIDEWALKS CLEANED.
SO WHEN THOSE SENIORS GET OUT OF THEIR, UH, CART, WHEN THEY COME TO THE REGISTRATION OFFICE, THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE SIDEWALKS ARE CLEAN.
WHEN WE GO OVER TO EAST ROMBERG PARK, THEY'RE STILL PLAYING PICKLEBALL, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
THOSE PLATFORM TENNIS PARK KEEP, THEY GET MAD WHEN WE GO AND GET OUT THERE AND CLEAN THOSE COURTS AND WE TELL THEM THOSE ARE LAST, WE WILL CLEAN HARTSDALE TRAIN STATION FIRST.
WE'LL CLEAN ARDSLEY ROAD FIRST.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, WE FIELD ALL THOSE PHONE CALLS.
I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THEY COMPLAIN TO YOU TOO.
BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF STAFF AND WE DON'T WANT TO HIRE 10 ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WHEN THEY, THEY MAY NOT, WE CAN'T AFFORD IT AND THEY MAY NOT NEED IT.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRAND SCHEME OF THE BUDGET, IT DOESN'T SNOW, YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UM, THE THING IS, UM, I SORT OF FEEL YOU HAVE LANDSCAPING COMPANIES THAT HAVE PLOWS, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, THEY DO WORK USUALLY FOR, UH, CONDOS AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE IT.
SO IF THEY KNEW THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN WOULD RETAIN THEM WHEN, WHEN IT SNOWS AND WE COULD WORK
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OUT.I'M SAYING WE COULD COME UP WITH A CON, WE COULD TRY IT AND, AND WORK IT OUT.
SO I TO RICH MAY NOT SPOKE TO RICH RESPOND ABOUT THIS, AND THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, BUT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO WORK OUT OBVIOUSLY WITH THE UNION ALSO UNION.
THAT'S WHY KEEP SAYING IT'S A HUGE UNION.
IT THIS IS WITHIN, WELL, WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I BRING THAT UP.
NO, I, THAT'S WHY I MENTION UNION.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY JOBS FROM THE NO ONE'S TAKING AWAY THE JOB, BUT YOU'RE DOING THE JOB OF A UNION EMPLOYEE.
SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL OF THAT.
BUT CAN'T THAT WE COULD SAY, TV UNIONS, LISTEN, BLESS, WE'RE GONNA USE YOU ON THE, ON THE OTHER HAND, WE BASICALLY FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS ARE IMPORTANT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO, WE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN ANY.
NO, BUT I DON'T WANNA, WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE DON'T, I JUST WANNA KNOW, HOW DOES SCARSDALE MANAGE TO DO IT? THEY HAVE THE STAFF AND THE MONEY.
CAN CAN, CAN WE SPEAK AND HOW DOES NEW YORK CITY, WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'LL HIRE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO SHOVEL, HOW DOES THE UNION DO? HOW DO THEY, DO THEY, THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.
THEY, WHY DO RESEARCH WHAT THE UNION DOES? WELL, THE, I DON'T, I FEEL THAT IF WE CITY DOES APPROACH, I FEEL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONS WITH THE TEAM SERIES MM-HMM
AND YOU, AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO BUILD SIDEWALKS.
IT'S, IT'S CONTRAST, BUT IT'S ALSO UP TO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FOR OVERTIME.
LIKE IF THEY SAY WE WANT, WE WANT THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
BUT IF THEY SAY WE DON'T WANT TO, OKAY, AND YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US THAT, THEN WE SHOULD CONTRACT IT OUT.
DID NEW VENDOR DID DO IT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS AN EXTREME SNOWSTORM? OR DO THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME? I HAVE NO IDEA.
YOU UNDERSTAND, IF YOU HAVE A TWO FOOT SNOWSTORM AND YOU DO SOMETHING ONCE IN A WHILE, CLEARLY MAYBE THE UNION'S NOT GONNA STEP UP AND THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DO ON A THREE INCH SNOWSTORM, THEN I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE AN ISSUE.
BUT, BUT THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT, WHICH IS THAT HOW DO WE DECIDE WHICH SIDEWALKS ARE GONNA GET, LIKE, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAXER AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
LIKE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A NEW, WE'RE PUTTING IN A NEW SIDEWALK.
WHAT DO WE DO THERE?
IT WAS ONLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE TOWN OF THE, OF THE LIST I WAS GIVEN THAT WERE MAYBE POSSIBLY TARGETED BECAUSE OF THEIR HEAVY POTENTIAL USE.
SO THIS WAS NOT ALL OF THE SIDEWALKS.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I JUST WANNA GO BACK AGAIN TO OUR, WHEN YOU DO A SIDEWALK, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
UH, THE PLAYGROUND THAT WE BUILT OUT ON TAXI RIDGE MM-HMM
SO, SO THAT SMALL SIDEWALK THAT'S THERE, IF IT EVER GETS SPILLED, WE WOULD HAVE TO DEFINITELY DO THE PART THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE PARK.
OUR STAFF HAS TO GET IN A TRUCK DRIVE ALL THE WAY OVER THERE.
'CAUSE WE NEVER DO ONE, ALWAYS TWO PEOPLE.
AND, AND, AND WE WOULD TAKE A SNOWBLOWER THERE AND THEY WOULD DO IT.
THEY WOULD SPEND MORE TIME TRAVELING MANY TIMES TO MANY OF THESE LOCATIONS THAN THEY DO TO ACTUALLY REMOVING THE SNOW.
AND THEN THEY GET BACK IN THE TRUCK.
THEY HAVE TO GO HERE, THEY HAVE TO GO THERE.
UM, AND I DID NOT EVEN GET A CHANCE TO FACTOR IN ALL THE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT WE WOULD'VE TO BUY.
COULD WE CONTRACT WITH THE VILLAGES TO TAKE CARE OF CERTAIN AREAS ON THEIR OWN THAT ARE CLO THAT ARE CLOSER PROXIMITY? THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
BUT AGAIN, CONTRACTING FOR SERVICES.
IT'S NOT GONNA WORK IN A LOT OF PLACES IN GREENBURG, BUT RIGHT.
UM, BUT WE, WE HAD JUST ANTICIPATED, WE WERE DEFINITELY DOING THAT SECTION OF THE SIDEWALK.
BUT THEN POTENTIALLY THERE'S GONNA BE A MUCH BIGGER SECTION, AND I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY SIDEWALKS YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO, LOOKING AT, IF YOU'RE CONTRACTING OUT HOW MANY COMPANIES, LANDSCAPE COMPANIES, IS THAT GOING TO WELL, YEAH.
AND JUST ALSO, HOW DO WE DECIDE THAT, WHAT'S OUR, WHAT'S OUR CRITERIA FOR SIDEWALKS THAT GET TAKEN CARE OF AND MAINTAINED AND NOT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DECIDE THAT.
WELL, A COMMON THING IS HEAVILY USED ROADS.
WE WOULD DEFINE WHAT'S A HEAVY, HEAVILY USED ROAD.
AND THEY'RE GENERALLY WIDER ROADS.
AND WHEN THE TRUCKS COME DOWN ON THOSE ROADS, THEY USUALLY COME UP AT SPEED AND THEY, UM, THEY CAN PUT A LOT OF SNOW ON THE SIDE.
WELL, WHEN I, WHEN I CAME UP WITH THESE ESTIMATES, I WAS DOING TWO PASSES AND THAT'S ALMOST, UM, THAT'S A LOW BALL.
WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ROAD OR THE SIDEWALK? BECAUSE WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DO THREE PASSES ON EVERY SIDEWALK.
AND IF THEY ARE HEAVILY USED, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, LEY ROAD HEADING DOWN INTO THAT, WE PROBABLY CLEANED THAT 20 TIMES.
AND I, AND I SAW PICTURES RIGHT AFTER THE CLEANED IT FOR THE 15TH TIME THAT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD NEVER BEEN CLEANED.
WELL, THE SNOW, COULD WE, COULD WE, I'M SORRY.
BECAUSE I WAS GONNA CHANGE IT A LITTLE BIT.
IT SEEMS THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IS BECAUSE THE PLOWS ALWAYS PUSH TO THE RIGHT.
AND I'M WONDERING IF WE PUT IN A SIDEWALK NOW, WE'D HAVE TO PROBABLY CLOSE, CLOSE THE ROAD SO NO ONE'S COMING IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
BUT COULD WE ACTUALLY GO DOWN AND
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PLOW ALL THE SNOW TO THE SIDE THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SIDEWALK? SO IT'S GOT EASIER TO, YOU'D HAVE TO ASK DPWA QUESTION.'CAUSE THE, THE ROAD PLOWING, I'M NOT AN EXPERT AT, 'CAUSE VERY RARELY DO WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
AND THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE MM-HMM
MOST OF OUR PROBLEMS. MM-HMM
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK FRANK AND RICH COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THE ROAD WOULD'VE TO BE VERY, UH, VERY NARROW FOR THAT.
THE ROAD WOULD'VE TO BE VERY NARROW.
WHAT'S THAT? NO, THEY'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH SEVERAL TIMES.
NO, YOU WOULD DO LIKE THEY DO ON THE HIGHWAY, THEY'D JUST COME DOWN AND THEY'D JUST MOVE THE WHOLE THING OVER.
WELL, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING THIS LAST TIME BECAUSE WHEN YOU WENT OUT ON THAT PARTICULAR NIGHT, THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC.
PEOPLE DID ACTUALLY STAY OFF THE ROADS.
IT WAS, IT WAS VIRTUALLY BLINDING, YOU KNOW, TO DRIVE.
BUT, UM, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.
YOU COULD BE GOING DOWN AND TRYING TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND YOU COULD STILL HAVE SOMEBODY COMING FROM THE OTHER WAY THAT REALLY GOTTA GET TO DUNKING DONUTS.
UM, DOES, DOES THE THE CLEANING OFF THE SIDEWALKS INCLUDE SALTING THEM? NO, IT DID NOT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D HAVE TO CONSIDER TOO, BECAUSE THEN YOU, YOU TAKE THE CHANCE OF THE MING OVER AND THERE BEING A LIABILITY.
UM, USUALLY THE LAST, WHEN WE GET IT DOWN, AFTER IT STOPS SNOWING, THAT'S WHEN WE PUT SALT ON BECAUSE WE, IT'S JUST A WASTE BEFORE THAT TIME.
BUT THE, THE PROBLEM WE HAVE AND YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY AGREE THAT, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA CONTINUE TO DO IT.
WE DID COLUMBIA AND YOU KNOW, NOW WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE EQUAL PROTECTION BECAUSE WE DO SOME, SOME STREET SIDEWALKS, BUT WE DON'T DO OTHERS.
I THOUGHT ONCE WE STARTED DOING WITH COLUMBIA, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T WANT THE SIDEWALK.
SO ANY PLACE THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT IT, BUT WE DID IT FOR SAFETY REASONS THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DO IT.
BUT THEN IT STARTED AND STOPPED.
WE DO ARLEY ROAD AS WELL, WHICH IS REALLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SO I, I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT WE DO.
ARLEY ROAD AND, UH, AND COLUMBIA.
COLUMBIA ARE THE TWO MAIN THAT ARE RIGHT.
THAT ARE FRONTED BY A LOT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THOSE ARE, UM, MANY OTHER, THERE ARE A FEW PLACES THAT ARE SMALL, BUT I MEAN, IT'S NOT, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO LONGEST ONES RIGHT THERE.
AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, WE JUST TRY TO STICK TO THE PLACES WHERE WE HAVE EITHER PUBLIC PARK LAND OR TOWNLAND.
I WOULD, I WOULD ASK RICH FUN A MILLION DOLLARS.
BUT YOU NOT, I I STILL THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST GET THE INFORMATION.
IF WE COULD GET THE INFORMATION AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY LANDSCAPE COMPANIES THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE SERVICE AND WHAT COST ABOUT THE UNION ISSUES.
AND IF, IF WE COULD LOOK AT THAT, THAT, THAT I THINK WOULD SOLVE REALLY MOST OF THE PROBLEMS. BECAUSE AS WE'RE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, MORE SIDEWALKS, THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE MONEY THAT ARE GONNA START COMPLAINING.
THERE'S GONNA BE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE ON ANY STREET.
IT COULD BE OLD ARMY ROAD, IT COULD BE, UH, ANY ANYONE.
IT COULD A TAXI A ROAD, THERE'S GONNA BE ALWAYS SOMEBODY COMPLAINING AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ANGRY AND ENOUGH, THEY'LL GET THEIR NEIGHBORS TO FIGHT THE SIDEWALKS.
AND THEN, THEN THERE'LL BE MORE OPPOSITION.
WE KNOW THAT THE SIDEWALKS ARE HAVING A POSITIVE IMPACT ON, ON SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO WHAT I JUST, I ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THESE ARE THE, JUST THE SIDEWALKS THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT'S IN CHARGE OF.
YOU'D HAVE TO ASK DPW OR BUILDING DEPARTMENT IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER SIDEWALKS THAT I DON'T HAVE THAT ARE COVERED EITHER BY THE POLICE STATION, LET'S SAY, OR TOWN HALL HERE.
HOW CAN YOU COURT, CAN YOU
WE DO NOT DO THE POLICE STATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PROBABLY ADJACENT SIDEWALKS THERE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF.
SO IN ORDER FOR, I'D LIKE TO JUST, JUST TO ADD BEFORE YOU GUYS MOVE ON, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ADD, UM, I DID GET A RESPONSE, UM, FROM STAFF AND I WAS SAID THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER STATED THAT IT, IS IT NOT PO THAT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO PLOW TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.
UNLIKE HIGHWAYS, OUR ROADS DO NOT HAVE MEDIANS LIKE THEY DO ON A HIGHWAY.
AND SO THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE OTHER SIDEWALKS, BUILDING MAINTENANCE.
DOES ALL OF THOSE AND MORE INFORMATION IS COMING.
SO I WILL, WE DON'T HAVE NCE, DO THEY MEAN OUR ROADS HAVE A CROWN? AND THAT MAKES IT NOT FEASIBLE? COULD YOU JUST GIVE THAT ANSWER PLEASE? THANK YOU.
SO TO GET REALLY A COMPREHENSIVE IDEA, IT HAS TO BE WHAT YOU HAVE, WHAT THEY HAVE TOGETHER.
SO, YEAH, I, I THINK THE, THE TAKEAWAY HERE FROM ME IS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT COULD ACCOMMODATE ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS WITHOUT REALLY HURTING OUR ABILITY TO GET THE
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JOB DONE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PAID TO DO.WHICH IS TO UNDERSTAND WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL STAFF AND THE EXACTLY.
AND SO WHETHER IT'S CONTRACTING OR WHETHER OR NOT IT'S TRYING TO HIRE PART-TIMERS, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD EVER DO IT.
I GUESS ONE QUESTION BACK TO THE EIGHT MILES.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK IN LOOKING AT HEAVILY USED ROADS, IF THAT'S A DEFINITION YOU'RE GONNA USE, I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE CLOSER TO 10 OR EVEN 12 MILES.
WELL, WELL JUST, JUST WHAT I, BUT AGAIN, FOR, FOR JUST PARKS.
SO TIER TWO IS THE LABOR INTENSIVE ONES.
AND DOES THAT INCLUDE, I THINK THERE'S LIKE SOME OF THE STATE, UM, OVER PASSES.
IT INCLUDED ALL THE STUFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT, REMEMBER THAT DATA SHEET YOU GAVE ME? YES.
UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE TAKEAWAY.
WHEN I, AFTER I CRUNCHED ALL THE NUMBERS AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THE TOWN COULD REALLY PULL THIS OFF UNLESS WE ACTUALLY REALLY HIRED A LOT OF PART-TIMERS SOMEHOW, WHICH I HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO, I THINK ESPECIALLY UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU VET THEM OUT? DO YOU JUST BRING 'EM IN TEMPORARILY OR DO YOU CARRY, YOU HAVE TO USE VENDORS FOR 10 PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE WINTER TIME.
YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO USE VENDORS, YOU'D HAVE TO USE, YOU'D USE VENDORS AND THEN YOU'D HAVE FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE VENDORS ARE NOT, UH, BE AVAILABLE WITHOUT SOME KIND OF RETAINER.
BUT EVEN IF THERE WAS A RETAINER YEAH.
YOU KNOW, IN THE BIG PICTURE, THAT'S GONNA SAVE A LOT MORE MONEY THEN.
AND IT GUARANTEES US THAT WE HAVE A VENDOR AVAILABLE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT MAY, WHAT CAN THEY GUARANTEE THAT MAY BE BECAUSE THERE WERE VENDORS THAT WAS VERY DIFFICULT, FIREFIGHTER NEXT ON TO FIND WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THIS, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER HOURS, UH, OR SANITATION PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE SAID THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY WE CONTACTED THE FAIRVIEW, YOU KNOW, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND I'M JUST THROWING OUT A, A HYPOTHETICAL, AND THEY MAY HAVE FIREFIGHTERS WHO AFTER HOURS WOULD BE WILLING FOR EXTRA PAY, UH, TO CLEAR A SIDEWALK OR YOU GREENVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR, UH, OR, UM, HARTSDALE.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER OPTION.
OR WE COULD EVEN REACH OUT AND SAY TO THE TEAMSTERS, YOU MAY, WE MAY HAVE, UM, EMPLOYEES WHO, UH, YOU KNOW, WORK AS TEAMSTERS AND MAYBE SOME OF THEM WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, AFTER HOURS OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, IT WOULD BE AS A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR, HERE'S THE THING, IT'S NEVER PLANNED.
IT'S ALWAYS WHEN YOU GOT SOMETHING TO DO AND IT ALWAYS SEEMS TO COME UP.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT A WONDERFUL CREW, REALLY SERIOUSLY, BUT THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO COME IN, UNLIKE D-P-W-D-P-W AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE REQUIRED TO COME IN DURING EMERGENCIES.
SO WE CAN'T ALWAYS GET A FULL CREW WHEN IT DOES COME IN.
UH, BUT, BUT WE GET 90% ALMOST ALL THE TIME.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO PICK UP AND SAY, LISTEN, I'M, I WANT TO HIRE 10 PEOPLE, THEY MAY HAVE SAID FINE IN JULY, IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME ANSWER IN JANUARY ON A SATURDAY NIGHT AT THREE O'CLOCK, BUT THEY HAVE SIGN GO DOWN, CAME UP WITH A GREAT IDEA.
PARDON? AN A, SOME SORT OF AN AGREEMENT.
JOE DANKO, HE CAME UP WITH A GREAT IDEA AND WE HAVE TO RESPECT OUR EMPLOYEE.
I THAT'S, HE CAME WITH, I CLUE WHAT'S GOING ON.
NO, JOE, JOE DANKO CAME UP WITH A, A GREAT IDEA.
HE SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT THE TOWN COULD DO IS IF THERE'S LIKE A HEAVY SNOW, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CLEAR A SIDEWALK IN ONE DAY, ALL THE SIDEWALKS IN ONE DAY.
BUT GENERALLY FROM MY EXPERIENCE, AFTER LIKE TWO OR THREE DAYS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD AFTER THE FIRST CRUNCH AND WE'RE DOING IT, WE, WE COULD, WE COULD ADDRESS IT.
AND YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE PERSON ISN'T USING THE SIDE A SIDEWALK IN ONE, ONE DAY AFTER A STORM ANYWAY.
SO MY FAILING IS WE MAY WANT TO CHANGE THE CODE AND BASICALLY PROVIDE, UM, FOR NINE, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALKS THAT ARE NOT LIKE GOING RIGHT TO A TRAIN STATION OR A BUS STOP OR WHATEVER.
WE MAY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF THERE'S A HEAVY SNOW, WE'RE GONNA GIVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE SIDEWALK FOR A COUPLE DAYS AND GIVE EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO CLEAR, CLEAR IT UP.
AND THEN, UM, WHEN YOU KNOW IT'S LESS HECTIC THEN YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE EITHER TOWN STEER OR VENDORS TO, UH, TO ADDRESS IT.
BECAUSE I KNOW EVEN WITH THE SNOW, SNOW ANGELS, THE FIRST DAY EVERYBODY CALLS BY THE THIRD DAY, I'M ABLE TO HELP EVERYBODY.
I'VE BEEN ABLE THIS YEAR TO HELP EVERYBODY WHO ASKS FOR IT.
JOE DANKO HAD SAID THAT YOU COULD CLOSE OFF THE SIDEWALK.
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I, I, NO, HE SAID WE COULD CLOSE LAW CANNOT.NO, HE SAID THAT FOR A SECOND.
NO, HE SAID, HE SAID WE COULD CHANGE.
I ASKED HIM ABOUT POSSIBLE WAYS OF ADDRESSING, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO DON'T LIKE NEW SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, HAVE.
AND HE SAID ONE THING WE COULD DO, UH, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA, WAS, UM, AMEND THE LAW TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE 24 ON NON-ESSENTIAL SIDEWALKS.
MAYBE GIVE IT THREE DAYS, FOUR DAYS, UH, BEFORE THE SNOW HAS TO BE REMOVED.
AND THAT GIVES EVERYBODY A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME, UH, OR THE TOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO ADDRESS IT.
I PAUL, UH, I'M NOT SURE YOU REMEMBER THIS OR NOT, BUT YOU KNOW WHO THE FIRST SNOW ANGEL WAS? YOU? IT WAS MY WIFE AND I.
WE, I RAN THE PROGRAM FOR EIGHT YEARS.
UM, AND WE SHOVELED, WE DIDN'T HAVE CHILDREN BACK THEN, SO IT WAS EASIER.
AND, UH, WE RAN THE PROGRAM FOR EIGHT YEARS FOR YOU.
AND I KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO GET VOLUNTEERS AND I ALSO KNOW HOW HARD IT WAS TO ANSWER THE PHONE.
WHEN PEOPLE ASK US TO HELP, THEY DID WANT THEIR SIDEWALKS CLEARED QUICKLY, JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS.
THEY DID WANT THEIR DRIVEWAYS CLEARED SO THAT THEY COULD GET OUT AND GO TO A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.
AND I JUST FIND THAT IT HASN'T REALLY CHANGED THAT MUCH RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST A REALLY HARD SITUATION.
WE WERE JUST FACED WITH PROBABLY THE WORST WINTER WE'VE HAD IN 10 YEARS AT LEAST.
SO, AND SO I, WE DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WRITE EVERYTHING JUST FOR THIS ONE WINTER.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'D TRIED TO STICK WITH A SIX INCH SNOWFALL MM-HMM
BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT I SAID HERE TODAY ABOUT CLEARING IT OFF WITH THIS MANY PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE WORKED THIS YEAR OR THIS YEAR.
WE WERE THREE DAYS AFTERWARDS.
I MEAN, IF TAXTER ROAD SIDEWALK HAD NEEDED TO BE CLEANED, IT WOULD'VE SNOWED ON MONDAY.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN TO IT TILL THURSDAY.
I TALKED TO MY STAFF ABOUT THAT.
IT JUST WOULDN'T HAVE NEVER BEEN, UH, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE PEOPLE TO DO IT.
SO WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE? I DON'T THINK SO.
I JUST DON'T THINK A, A MONDAY SNOW STORM AND A THURSDAY CLEANING OF A SIDEWALK WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
AND YOU INCREASE LIABILITY THE LONGER YOU HAVE THE SNOW ON THE SIDEWALK AND ICE ON THE SIDEWALK.
I WILL TRY AND, UM, PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER IN A NICE LITTLE COAT AND SEND IT OUT TO YOU GUYS.
ARE YOU, WE SHOULD FACTOR IN INSURANCE.
ARE YOU GONNA ALSO HAVE, UM, HAVE DPW WEIGH IN ON THERE? ROAD? LIKE MAKE IT ONE? YEAH, I GUESS WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
WE'LL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOES.
I THINK BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS THE MAIN PERSON WHO DOES SIDEWALKS.
OTHER THAN THAT NOT BUILDING D PW W DPW W YEAH.
I-I-D-P-W NO, THEY'RE BUILDING, THEY'RE BUILDING MAINTENANCE SECTION IS WHAT I MEANT.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THAT'S STILL DPW.
YEAH, NO, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A PART.
WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO SAY IS WE HAVE A BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
SO SHE'S TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE'S GETTING CONFUSED.
AND BUILDING MAINTENANCE IS UNDER DDPW AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MAINTENANCE ACTUALLY WITH ANTHONY GRAVES AND HIS STAFF.
I THINK YOU GUYS COULD ALL WORK TOGETHER AND WE DO COME UP.
JUST COME UP WITH A JOINT REPORT AND ABOUT SNOW.
AND DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK TO DPW ABOUT CONTRACTING OR DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO THE, ABOUT A UNION ISSUE FIRST BEFORE WE DO GO DOWN THAT ROAD? THE WHOLE SCENARIO, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE SCENARIO.
WE, FIRST OF ALL, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THAT.
'CAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW THE GRIEVANCE THAT WAS PUT IN UPON US IN THE PAST MM-HMM
UNION, NON-UNION PROS AND CONS, WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO TO MAKE NEW FINANCIAL.
SO WE GOTTA FIGURE THAT OUT TOO.
AND THAT'S WHY I TRIED TO PUT A DOLLAR ON HERE TOO.
JUST HAVE TO BLOW IT TO THE OTHER SIDE, THAT'S ALL.
ANYTHING ELSE? I MOVE THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING, UH, PERSONNEL MATTERS, UH, AND SEEKING LEGAL ADVICE.