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RIGHT.WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, MARCH 18TH, 2026, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, IT IS 7:15 PM UH, AGAIN, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE, FOR THE BRIEF DELAY.
UM, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, MAY YOU CONDUCT THE ROLE? SURE.
MR. PATEL? HERE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MS. ANDERSON AND MR. PILLINGER ARE NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
THEREFORE, MS. ROBINSON AND MR. PATEL WILL BE FULL VOTING MEMBERS.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, UM, STAFF CIRCULATED THE MINUTES FROM THE OUR LAST MARCH 4TH MEETING.
UH, DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? YES.
WAS THERE ANY FEEDBACK, EDITS, CORRECTIONS? NO, I HAD NONE.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MARCH 4TH MINUTES AS DISTRIBUTED.
UH, WE HAVE ONE PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, RELATED TO TB 25 0 4, THE CHAPTER 2 85 ZONING ORDINANCE REVISIONS.
UH, THE TOWN BOARD IS SEEKING, UH, A LEAD AGENCY DECLARATION OF INTENT.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, CAN YOU, UH, SUMMARIZE THE, THE, THE CORRESPONDENCE? YES.
SO, AS NOTED IN THE MEMORANDUM CIRCULATED MARCH 16TH, 2026, THE TOWN BOARD OF THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, IN CONNECTION WITH VARIOUS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS PREPARED BY STAFF, SEEKS TO COMPREHENSIVELY UPDATE THE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE TO ALIGN WITH THE FOLLOWING GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
ADVANCE AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVES PROVIDE FOR A GOOD MIX OF USES IN THE TOWN'S MIXED USE DISTRICTS PROMOTE OPEN SPACE AND COMPACT LAND DEVELOPMENT, SUPPORT THE MOBILITY NEEDS OF A RANGE OF USERS, PROVIDE CLEAR AND CONSISTENT REGULATIONS AND ADVANCE SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES.
UM, THE PROPOSED ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS ARE ALSO INTENDED TO ALIGN WITH SEVERAL POLICIES OF THE TOWN'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF THE URBAN RENEWAL DISTRICT TO CREATION OF A M 30 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT AND THE CREATION OF A TR TERRYTOWN ROAD MIXED USE DISTRICT.
ON MARCH 11TH, 2026, THE TOWN BOARD DECLARED ITS INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY FOR THE PROPOSED ACTION IN CONNECTION WITH ALL PROCESSING PROCEDURES, DETERMINATIONS, AND FINDINGS TO BE MADE OR CONDUCTED AS REQUIRED UNDER SECTION EIGHT DASH 0 1 0 1 OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW AND THE REGULATIONS PROMULGATED BY NEW YORK STATE DEC.
THERE'RE UNDER, UH, SO THE TOWN BOARD'S PRELIMINARILY CLASSIFIED THE PROPOSED ACTION AS A TYPE ONE ACTION BASED ON VARIOUS INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTS PROVIDED, AND AT THIS TIME, SEEKS TO ESTABLISH ITSELF AS LEAD AGENCY AND THEREFORE HAS CIRCULATED THIS, UH, NOTIFICATION OF INTENT.
AND IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO ACT AS LEAD AGENCY FOR PURPOSES OF ACTIONS SUCH AS THIS.
AND THEREFORE, UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD SHOULD SUPPORT AND NOT ISSUE ANY OBJECTION TO THE TOWN BOARD'S LEAD AGENCY INTENT.
AND AS, UH, THANK YOU DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT.
AND AS, UH, AS DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT MENTIONED, UH, THE TOWN BOARD, ITS LAST TOWN BOARD MEETING VOTED TO REFER, UH, 2 85 TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS IS REQUIRED BY THE CODE.
UM, I KNOW COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE WILL BE REACHING OUT TO, UH, ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO SCHEDULE, UM, ONE-ON-ONE OR OR TWO-ON-ONE MEETINGS WITH, WITH THE MEMBERSHIP.
UM, TO, TO BRIEF EVERYONE ON THE CONTENTS OF THE 2 85 REVISIONS, UM, AND ALSO, UH, BE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND JUST DISCUSS SPECIFIC ITEMS. UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WILL LIKELY BE IN FRONT OF US FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONDUCT, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I WOULD BE INCLINED TO, TO DO, AND NOT PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS, I'M SORRY, PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS.
UM, WHICH I, I WOULD, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO DO SO.
UM, ULTIMATELY THE TOWN BOARD HAS, UM, INDICATED THAT, THAT THIS WOULD LIKELY, UH, BE WORKED ON THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND BE APPROVED SOMEWHERE TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR.
BUT ULTIMATELY THIS WILL BE A, A DELIBERATIVE COLLABORATIVE PROCESS AMONGST THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD AND, AND CERTAINLY THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.
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EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY, UM, SET, SET THE FUTURE AND SET THE COURSE OF, OF THE TOWN.UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SPECIFIC STEP OF, UH, VOTING TO ISSUE? NO OBJECTION ON THE TOWN BOARD SERVING AS LEAD AGENCY? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ISSUE.
TO THE TOWN BOARD SERVING AS LEAD AGENCY FOR SECRET REVIEW OF THE ZONING MAP AND ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS.
MR. WEINBERG? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
THE, THE FIRST PIECE OF BUSINESS ON OUR OLD, UH, COPY.
UM, THE FIRST PIECE OF BUSINESS ON OUR AGENDA, CASE NUMBER PB 25 39 GALVANIZE, UH, WILL BE POSTPONED UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING.
UH, WE, WE RECEIVED SOME NEW INFORMATION THAT THE TOWN AT THE, THAT THE TOWN STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW, UM, BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL DECISION.
SO WE APPRECIATE THE, THE APPLICANT'S COOPERATION ON THAT.
UM, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 19 BOJ AT FIVE FARM WAY DRIVE PO LEY.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, THE, UH, WITHIN OUR PACKETS WAS A DRAFT DECISION, A DRAFT APPROVAL, UM, FOR US TO CONSIDER.
UH, DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE DRAFT DECISION? YES.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE, UH, SITE, THE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS RELATED TO THIS APPLICATION? YES.
SO ON PAGE SIX, CONDITION 4.1 STATES THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A BERM IN CONNECTION WITH THE LANDSCAPING TO BE INSTALLED ALONG THE REAR PROPERTY LINE ADJACENT TO WINDING FARM ROAD TO FURTHER ASSIST IN PREVENTING STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM ENTERING THE ADJACENT ROADWAY.
SO THAT WAS, UM, CRAFTED FOLLOWING SOME FEEDBACK AND INPUT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT SPOKE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO THAT CONDITION HAS BEEN, UM, PUT INTO THIS DRAFT DECISION.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER CONDITION I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION WAS IN SECTION EIGHT ON PAGE NINE, CONDITION 8.3 INDICATING THAT THE TOWN ENGINEER SHALL CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE A 100 YEAR STORM EVENT AS REPRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT'S DE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO MR. ESCALADES HAD INDICATED THAT AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEREFORE IT WAS CAPTURED AS A CONDITION BECAUSE THAT EXCEEDS THE TOWN CODE REQUIREMENT OF HANDLING A 25 YEAR STORM EVENT.
OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S PRETTY STANDARD AND THERE ARE A FEW VOTES TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT DECISION? I HAD, UH, TWO QUESTIONS ON 5.1.
AMANDA IS REFERENCE TO A JUNE 16TH, UH, MEMORANDUM.
IS THERE A WAY TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S FROM 19, FROM 2025, SO IT'S BEFORE I WAS EVEN, UH, INVOLVED.
AND WHICH CONDITION WAS THAT? I'M SORRY, 5.1 ON PAGE SIX? YES.
SO DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I'M FAMILIAR.
IT'S, UM, BASICALLY A, UH, STANDARD ISSUED MEMORANDUM FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER FOR ALL PROJECTS INVOLVING A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND IT FOLLOWS, UM, THE PROCEDURES AND REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 2 45 OF THE TOWN CODE.
SO, UM, THE TOWN ENGINEER IN ISSUING THAT MEMO IN, IN BASICALLY INDICATES THAT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF 2 45 AND SHALL BE SUBJECT TO VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 2 45.
AND THEN IT JUST LAYS OUT THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE PROJECT WILL BE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN I HAD JUST ANOTHER QUESTION ON 8.2 ON PAGE EIGHT, WHICH IS, UH, THE STORM ORDER MAINTENANCE PLAN.
UM, WE SEEM TO, UH, HAVE A, IN SOME OF, IN SOME OF THESE APPROVALS IN, THERE'S A CERTAIN SPECIFIC PROVISION TO, UH, MAINTAIN STORMWATER PLAN.
AND THEN IN SOME THERE, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A, A STANDARD PROVISION.
UH, AND I'M TRYING TO SEE WHERE IT IS.
SO IT'S LIKE, IT SEEMS TO BE DUPLICATIVE AT TIMES AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER, YOU KNOW, SHOULDN'T ALL OF THESE, UH, APPROVALS THAT THAT INCLUDE A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE APPLICANT TO MAINTAIN IT?
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SO THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT FALLS UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF THE ACTUAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT THAT IS ISSUED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER POST PLANNING BOARD DECISION.SO THAT WOULD BE CAPTURED WITHIN THAT.
I MEAN, THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM MAY CHANGE.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, IF FOLLOWING A PLANNING BOARD DECISION, THEY, UH, THE APPLICANT CONDUCTS, UM, TEST PITS FOR THE LOCATION OF CERTAIN UNDERGROUND, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY COAL TECH DRY WELL UNITS AND THEY ENCOUNTER ROCK OR SOME OTHER SUBSTANCE OR ISSUE THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM CITING THOSE IN A PARTICULAR LOCATION, THEY MAY NEED TO BE RELOCATED OR ADJUSTED.
AND THAT'S ALL HANDLED UNDER, UH, THE TOWN ENGINEER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT.
SO THERE ARE VARIOUS CONDITIONS THAT GET TIED TO THAT, INCLUDING MAINTENANCE, BUT IT, SO ALL OF THEM WHERE THERE'S A A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO MAINTAIN IT? YES.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I GUESS I JUST HAD JUST ONE QUESTION.
I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM, UH, SO CONDITION EIGHT THREE.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT WILL BE, UH, DESIGNING A STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO HANDLE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM AS, UH, THEY REPRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THE PLANS, UH, WOULD, WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND THE, THE TOWN'S STANDARD REQUIREMENT.
AGAIN AS, AS THE APPLICANT ACKNOWLEDGED AT THE LAST MEETING? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS THEN I WILL, UH, WE HAVE FOUR, SORRY.
WE HAVE THREE ITEMS TO CONSIDER.
UM, A VOTE TO CLASSIFY THE PROJECT AS TYPE TWO TO VOTE ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND THEN TO VOTE ON THE TRUE REMOVAL PERMIT.
SO STARTING OFF, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLASSIFY THE PROJECT AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA.
UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION AS DISTRIBUTED.
UH, AND LASTLY, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE T REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION AS DISTRIBUTED.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE ADDITIONAL OLD BUSINESS WORK SESSION, UH, PB 25 34, JEN KOREAN BARBECUE AT DALEWOOD ONE SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT AND A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
AND JUST FOR THE BOARD'S BENEFIT THIS EVENING, WE DO HAVE JOHN CANNING THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT ON ZOOM.
UH, LEMME JUST SHARE MY SCREEN.
UH, COLETTE DELORO, SENIOR PROJECT MANAGER AT LANGAN, UH, THE CIVIL ENGINEER ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, ALSO JOINED BY MARK NEWMAN, UH, WHO WORKS FOR BRIMORE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER.
AND JOHN MCKAY, WHO IS WITH JEN KOREAN.
SO, I'D LIKE TO START OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES.
YOU GET THE IDEA OF THE PROJECT, UH, PUTTING IN A NEW RESTAURANT AT THE END CAP AT DALEWOOD ONE, UH, WHICH IS LOCATED ON NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE.
SO LAST TIME, UH, WE PRESENTED, WE DISCUSSED SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PLAN TO ENHANCE, UH, PEDESTRIAN VEHICULAR SAFETY.
SO JUST GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THOSE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE MADE.
UH, WE LOCATED A STOP SIGN AND REMOVED ONE PARKING STALL, UH, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT TO MAKE A FOUR WAY STOP CONTROL.
IT'S A LITTLE ODD OF AN INTERSECTION, BUT AT LEAST THERE ARE NOW STOP SIGNS AT ALL INTERSECTIONS.
OR, UM, AS WELL, WE INCLUDED STRIPING OVER WHAT IS KIND OF LIKE A BRICK CROSSWALK THAT'S THERE NOW.
SO WE'LL JUST STRIPE RIGHT, RIGHT OVER IT WITH WHITE STRIPING TO MAKE IT MORE VISIBLE.
UM, THE PLAN IS TO KEEP THE BRICK IN PLACE, BUT WE WILL PUT THE WHITE STRIPING.
UM, ANOTHER ADDITION THAT WAS, UH, MADE TO THE PLAN, UH, WAS ADDING A STOP SIGN IN ADDITION TO THE STOP BAR AND STOP
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MARKING IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT SPACE.WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO ADD THREE MORE PARKING STALLS, UM, TO THE LEFT OF THE, BY ONE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCES BY RELOCATING A NEW TRANSFORMER, UH, WHICH WILL NOW GO TO THE REAR.
WE'RE STILL WORKING OUT THE LOCATION, BUT AT LEAST NOW WE CAN GAIN THREE PARKING STALLS FROM THAT MOVING.
UM, IN ADDITION, ORIGINALLY WE WERE REMOVING THREE PARKING STALLS THAT ARE THERE NOW, UM, BECAUSE OF TRUCK TURNING MANEUVERS.
UM, BASED ON THE TIMING OF DELIVERIES AND KIND OF THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE, UM, AND DELIVERY SCHEDULE, WE WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT TO TWO STALLS INSTEAD OF THREE.
WE TOOK ANOTHER LOOK AT THE TURNING MANEUVERS AND WE WERE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH PUTTING BACK ONE OF THOSE STALLS.
UM, SO IF WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE PARKING STUDY THAT WERE, WE PERFORMED A FEW MONTHS AGO, YOU KNOW, WE WENT, WE DID SOME COUNTS ON, UM, A FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT.
WE FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL, WE HAD AN EXCESS OF, UH, 29 PARKING STALLS WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE NEW RESTAURANT SPACE AND THE ZONING, UH, THE PARKING ZONING REQUIREMENT FOR THE RESTAURANT.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS AROUND THE RESTAURANT THAT WE BELIEVE PEOPLE WILL PARK IN.
AND SO WITH THE 143 PARKING STALLS, WHICH IS BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, AS WELL AS THE ONE PER THREE SEAT, UM, RULE IN THE CODE, BOTH OF THOSE, UM, REQUIREMENTS LEAD TO 143 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED.
WE FOUND THAT TO THE NORTH, YOU KNOW, PLAN NORTH, WE HAVE 29 SPACES.
IF YOU ADD UP THE NEW SPACES, WE'RE ADDING ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE RESTAURANT, WE HAVE 59 SPACES WITH CHASE NOT BEING OCCUPIED PAST, I BELIEVE MARK 5:00 PM THAT IS CORRECT.
5:00 PM SO WE HAVE ANOTHER 25 SPACES THERE.
AND WE LOOKED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE PARKED HERE AT 6:00 PM ON A FRIDAY.
AND WE HAD AN EXCESS OF 30 69 33 SPACES.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE OCCUPIED SPACES AND YOU ADD UP THESE FOUR AREAS, LET'S SAY WE HAVE 136 AVAILABLE PARKING SPACES OUT OF THE 143 PARKING SPACES THAT WE NEEDED AS PART OF, THIS IS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE 'CAUSE THIS HAPPENED AFTER THE FACT, WE'VE REDUCED OUR SEAT COUNT FROM WHAT WAS 4 21 TO 4 0 7.
WHEN YOU IGNORE THE ZONING REQUIREMENT FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND YOU JUST SOLELY LOOK AT THE ONE PARKING SPACE PER THREE SEATS, YOU GET 136.
THAT IS EQUAL TO THE AMOUNT OF SPACES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE ON THE BUSIEST TIME AND DAY AT THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO JUST TO FURTHER, YOU KNOW, EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT WE DO FEEL, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONALLY, THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THIS AMOUNT OF SEATS AND FOR THIS RESTAURANT TO BE AT THIS END CAP.
AND THAT REDUCTION WAS THE RESULT OF INSTALLING THE FAMILY RESTROOM.
SO WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, THEY WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, LOOKED AT THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, THE RESTROOMS AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST MEETING.
WE GOT DOWN TO THAT 4 0 7 AND THAT IT WAS EXACTLY TO ADD SPACE FOR THE FAMILY RESTAURANT RESTROOM.
SO THIS IS THE NEW, UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST FLOOR PLAN LAYOUT.
AND ON HERE, UH, WE HAVE THE PATHS OF TRAVEL, WHICH WAS ANOTHER COMMENT THAT WAS RAISED, UH, BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE.
SO THAT IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE GIST.
OH, ONE MORE THING ACTUALLY ABOUT THE SITE PLAN.
UM, WE KIND OF RE-FIGURE THE PARKING IN THIS AREA, WHICH WAS A BIT BIZARRE TO BEGIN WITH.
AND WE'RE GONNA RETRIP THAT TO BE KIND OF LIKE A SNOW COLLECTION AREA.
UM, JUST KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME BIG STORM EVENTS OR SNOW EVENTS AND INSTEAD OF LIKE MOVING THAT AROUND TO OTHER DALEWOOD, WE DO HAVE AN AREA HERE THAT THEY CAN PLOW IT TO.
AND SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO WOULD THAT BE THE EXCLUSIVE LOCATION FOR, FOR SNOW STORAGE OR, I THINK IT'S AN EXCESS.
SO WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS IS THEY, WHEN THEY PLOW, THEY JUST PUSH EVERYTHING TO THE EDGES.
LIKE KIND OF SURROUNDING THE PARKING OR MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU'RE LOSING A LITTLE BIT UNTIL IT MELTS.
UM, AND THEN THAT WOULD BE LIKE A LOCATION FOR EXCESS SNOW, AT LEAST IN THAT PART OF THE PARKING LOT.
UM, I MEAN, MARK, YOU CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS.
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I KNOW THERE HAVING, WE ALSO HAVE, WE HAVE CHARLIE WOOD ON AS WELL, THE PROPERTY MANAGER.SHE AND I TALKED A LOT ABOUT SNOW REMOVAL HERE, KNOW OF BIG CONCERN.
UM, BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO HER, UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL SAW OUR WRITTEN RESPONSE WHEN WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORICAL SNOWFALL HERE COMPARED TO THIS PAST YEAR.
UM, AND SOME OF THE PEAK YEARS.
UM, ON AVERAGE IT'S NOT AS SNOWY AS ONE WOULD THINK.
JUST THIS PAST YEAR WAS PRETTY BAD AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME OTHER YEARS, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA HAND IT OFF TO KELLY TO DISCUSS FURTHER.
I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA OVERSPEAK OR, YOU KNOW, SPEAK IN EXCESS.
BUT, UM,
I THINK CONSIDERING OUR CURRENT, UM, OCCUPANCY.
WE, WE HANDLED THE SNOW AS, AS EXPECTED.
UM, WE HAD NO COMPLAINTS FROM TENANTS OR CUSTOMERS, UM, BUT IN THE CASE THAT WE HAD AN OCCUPANCY INCREASE, WE WOULD CONSIDER AND BE ABLE TO HAUL SNOW OFFSITE, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR CONTRACT.
UM, RELOCATE WITHIN THE SITE AS WELL TO LOCATIONS THAT MAKE MORE SENSE IF NEEDED.
UM, SO WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY TO REACT TO WHERE IT'S NOT INCONVENIENT OR OUT OF CONTRACT.
AND, AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY PUTTING SOME SORT OF PARAMETERS AROUND WHAT AN EXTREME SNOW EVENT MIGHT BE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONING, UH, THAT SNOW IS, IS HAULED DURING AN EXTREME SNOW EVENT.
SO I I GUESS WE SHOULD, IS THAT, IS THAT RECOLLECTION CORRECT? YES.
UM, AND SO ALIGNING ON WHAT EXACTLY AN EXTREME SNOW BENT IS, UH, SO THAT WE CAN CONDITION IT, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE SHOULD DO BEFORE, UH, BEFORE WE ULTIMATELY GO TO FINAL APPROVAL.
WELL, REALISTICALLY, GO AHEAD.
HAS, HAS THIS BEEN, IS THIS IN RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU HAD EXPERIENCED AS THERE BEING, UH, AN ISSUE AT THE PROPERTY? BECAUSE I THINK, UM, I THINK KELLY CAN SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT YET HAD TO REMOVE SNOW OFF SITE.
UM, AND, AND, AND, AND SHE COULD SPEAK TO IT.
SHE'S HAD TO DO IT AT OTHER PROPERTIES.
IT DOES HAPPEN AT OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE TO HAUL SNOW OFF SITE, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT ISSUE HERE.
UM, AND MAYBE YOU WANT THAT TO BE AS A CONDITION CONNECTED TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE UTILIZING MORE PARKING.
WELL, WELL, RIGHT, BECAUSE I, I, I THINK IF, IF YOU, EVEN WITH THE REDUCTION OF 407 SEATS, I THINK IT WAS JUST SUGGESTED THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL MORE OR LESS BE EXACTLY ENOUGH PARKING FOR, FOR THE OCCUPANCY IN THE RESTAURANT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A MAJOR SNOW EVENT AND YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ONE NIGHT AND THEN IT MELTS AWAY, THAT'S ONE THING.
BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PILES OF SNOW FOR DAYS ON END, UM, AND WE HAVE SUCH, SUCH LITTLE MARGIN TO WORK WITH TO BEGIN WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'D EITHER WANT THE SNOW STORED IN THE DESIGNATED SNOW STORAGE AREA OR, OR HAULED OFF.
WHICH ACTUALLY WAS GONNA LEAD TO MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS, I NOTICED ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF SPACE, BUT THERE WAS A COUPLE OF OTHER TRIANGLES, UM, TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, PAGE, YOU KNOW, THE PAGE TOP.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WORTH ALSO DESIGNATING AS SNOW STORAGE OR IF THAT'S EVEN FEASIBLE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR EVERY, EVERY SNOW STORAGE SPACE POSSIBLE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION MM-HMM
SO REALISTICALLY, YOU SHOULD JUST HAVE NO STOVE STORED IN ANY OF THE PARKING SPACES, RIGHT.
IS REALLY WHAT IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IF, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE A, A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION, UH, THAT, THAT'S BASED ON THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL OF THE PARKING THAT IS AVAILABLE IS AVAILABLE, GENERALLY AVAILABLE.
UM, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT I WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE ELSE A CHANCE.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DO NOT.
UM, IS THERE ANY PLAN TO PUT BOLLARDS IN, IN FRONT OF THE, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE RESTAURANT? THE CURBING IS VERY LOW THERE.
AND DOWN AT THE, UH, SHOPRITE SHOPPING CENTER THAT REGENCY OWNS DOWN THE BLOCK.
UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, A VAN WENT PERPENDICULAR INTO THE ALTA SPACE THAT WAS HAD JUST OPENED UP NOT THAT LONG AGO, AND NEXT TO A RESTAURANT THAT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND YOU READ ABOUT A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, STORIES WHERE PEOPLE GO PARKING, THEY HIT THE GAS INSTEAD OF THE BREAK, AND THAT'S RIGHT AT YOUR ENTRANCE TO THE RESTAURANT.
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YEAH.THAT'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, IS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, UM, AT EVERY SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, MARK, MAYBE WE TALK SEPARATELY, BUT I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE SOLUTIONS TO THIS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, RAISING THAT CURB UP TO A TRUE SIX INCHES DOES HELP PREVENT, YOU KNOW, CARS FROM REALLY JUMPING IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAST THIS CAR WAS GOING, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
UM, SO EITHER RAISING THE CURB UP OR CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE BOLLARDS, I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT BOLLARDS JUST 'CAUSE THE SIDEWALK'S ALREADY PRETTY NARROW, SO I DON'T WANNA REDUCE IT FURTHER.
UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, THE BOLLARD SOLUTION, EVEN IF THEY'RE JUST PREVENTABLE, UM, LIKE SURFACE MOUNTED.
MAYBE THEY'RE JUST FOUR INCHES IN DIAMETER, BUT SOMETHING TO PREVENT A CAR.
IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED INTO PRIOR TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
UM, WOULD THE BOARD CONSIDER MAYBE A HIGHER CURB, SIX INCH, SEVEN INCH, SOMETHING TO PREVENT? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT PREVENTS SOMEONE WHO MAKES A MISTAKE, YOU KNOW, FROM LIKE, GOING OVER THE CURB OVER THE SIDEWALK AND INTO THE FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT.
YEAH, I MEAN, JUST AT MIDWAY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, UM, THERE WAS A, A PARATRANSIT BEELINE BUS THAT JUMPED THE CURB AND, AND DROVE INTO, UM, ULTRA.
AND, AND WHILE YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S A, A FREAK OCCURRENCE.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND FORTUNATELY NO ONE WAS INJURED.
UM, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
UM, YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THE, SOMETHING LIKE A TRUCK OR A BUS CAN DEFINITELY EASILY HOP A SIX INCH CURB.
UM, I KNOW MY LITTLE JETTA OUT THERE CANNOT HOP A SIX INCH CURB, BUT TOTALLY HEARD.
WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, FROM AN ADDITIONAL, UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY MEASURE PLUS INCREASING THE CLUB.
UH, CURB HEIGHT COULD BE A DANGER TO A PEDESTRIAN.
THEY MAY WALK OFF SPRAINING AN ANKLE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
I MEAN, SIX INCHES IS PRETTY TYPICAL, I WOULD SAY.
UM, BUT YEAH, IF, IF WE NEED TO LOOK AT BOLLARDS, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT BOLLARDS AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SEEK TO GET SOME INPUT FROM THE TOWNS CONSULTANT AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO DURING THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT VALET PARKING AND UH, I KNOW THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.
UH, WHERE IS THAT? WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING THAT? AND THE REASON I'M SUGGESTING IT IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH IS NOW FULLY LEASED, UH, WITH A VERY TIGHT PARKING SITUATION MM-HMM
PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE, UH, OLDER PEOPLE COMING TO DINE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, UM, PEOPLE WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, DISABILITIES WHO, YOU KNOW, AREN'T EQUIPPED TO GO AND WANDER INTO OTHER AREAS OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
AND I THINK SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, RIGHTFULLY SAID SOMEONE ON THE BOARD, AND I MAYBE IT WAS NATASHA LAST TIME, SAID, WHEN, YOU KNOW, THINGS GET BUSY THERE AND THE PARKING NEAR THE RESTAURANT GETS FILLED UP, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE START RUNNING AROUND THE SHOPPING CENTER LOOKING FOR A SPACE MM-HMM
AND, YOU KNOW, IT GETS VERY AGGRESSIVE.
UH, AND MOST PEOPLE COMING TO THIS RESTAURANT ARE NOT GONNA WANNA PARK NEAR EACH MAR I WOULD ASSUME.
SO EVERYONE'S GONNA BE HOVERING AROUND THE AREA THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE MM-HMM
AND, AND YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE ARE ESTIMATES IN TERMS OF WHETHER, HOW MUCH PARKING THERE'S GONNA BE FOR, FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE, FOR TABLES, FOR SEATS, WHATEVER.
I MEAN, YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE YOUR BEST GUESS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SOME OPPORTUNITY ON THE WEEKENDS WHEN IT'S BUSY, PARTICULARLY IN THE EVENING AND MAYBE DURING HOLIDAY TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE LOTS OF PARTIES GOING ON THERE TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE SOME VALET, YOU KNOW, OFFERING.
I KNOW THERE'S NO ROOM TO DO IT ON THE SHOPPING CENTER, BUT MAYBE AN ARRANGEMENT COULD BE MADE WITH THE CENTER NEXT DOOR WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE, BE PARKING TO ALLOW VALET PARKING TONIGHT.
IT'S A, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WEDNESDAY NIGHT, IT'S NOT A HOLIDAY TIME.
AND I DROVE DOWN HERE, AND YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH BENJAMIN STEAKHOUSE.
IT IS PACKED AND THEY'RE PARKING CARS ACROSS THE STREET IN A, YOU KNOW, OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S ON THE CORNER.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER, UH, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA THAT CAME UP, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING.
AND I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR BOTH THE, YOU KNOW, FOR BOTH THE TOWN
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AND FOR THE OWNER OF THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THE TENANT.UM, MARK OR JOHN, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT? I MEAN, FROM JIM'S POINT OF VIEW, I'VE BROUGHT IT UP TO MY OPERATIONS TEAM.
UM, QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS, YEAH, WHERE DO WE PUT THEM? UM, WHO DO WE CONTACT WITH? BECAUSE IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE USUALLY DO.
UH, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN NECESSARILY ANTICIPATE TODAY.
UM, HOW TO APPROPRIATELY, UH, EXERCISE THAT, OR IF THERE IS TRULY A NEED FOR IT.
OUR OPERATIONS TEAM IS, IS OPEN TO THE IDEA, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE, THE BEGINNING OF THE OPENING, BUT I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR YES OR NO RELATED TO IT.
UM, SO IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE STILL WORKING ON.
IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN HAVE THEM COME BACK FOR TO SEE IF IT'S NEEDED.
MARK KELLY, I DON'T KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS OFFLINE, IS DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER USERS WITHIN THE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY OTHER USERS THAT UTILIZE VALET.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THAT OR, OR THE ADJACENT OWNERSHIP TO, UH, TO ARRANGE THE VALET? I MEAN, BASICALLY FOR US IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT THE COST LOOKS LIKE.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST THAT, UH, THE REASON THERE'S SO MANY SEATS IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAXIMIZE THE, UH, THE SELLABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE, UH, THE LEASED PREMISES.
UM, AND, AND HONESTLY, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE COST, THE OPERATION OF, UH, OF VALET IN, IN GREENSBURG HEART SCALE IS AT THIS MOMENT.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, YOU KNOW, 24 7, WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY PEAK, PEAK NIGHTS, YOU KNOW.
'CAUSE I ALSO CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE ARE GETTING DROPPED OFF, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC STARTS BACKING UP, UH, IN THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE NEAR THE RESTAURANT.
CAUSE, UH, VALES CAUSE A LOT OF CHOKE POINTS IF YOU'RE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
YEAH, NO, I'M SORT OF, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M ALSO SAYING IF PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, DROPPING PEOPLE OFF AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE RESTAURANT, NOT VALET, BUT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S NO OTHER, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T FIND PARKING SPACE NEARBY AND THEY'RE DROPPING PEOPLE OFF AND THEN GOING LOOK TO LOOK FOR A PARKING SPACE, THAT COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, CLOG, CLOG THE PARKING LOT.
LIKE, LIKE, I HAVE TO BE WITH MY WIFE,
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE, UH, I HAVE ANOTHER, UH, ALRIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY, UH, PROVISIONS IN ANY OF THE LEASES REGARDING PARKING RESTRICTIONS? PARKING EXCLUSIVITY BY TENANTS? NO, THERE AREN'T.
UM, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE DEDICATED SPACES FOR CERTAIN RETAIL, LIKE CERTAIN TENANTS RIGHT.
SPACES ARE JUST FOR THEIR USE, RIGHT? NOT, NOT, NOT THAT I, YOU KNOW, UH, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE ANSWER IS NO, NOT NOT AT THIS CENTER.
UM, AND, AND IN FACT, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE PARKING RESTRICTIONS WITH THE TENANTS.
AND AS YOU PROBABLY SAW IN OUR WRITTEN RESPONSE, UM, WE PUT TOGETHER AN EMPLOYEE PARKING PLAN THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO, UM, UM, ENFORCE WITH ALL THE TENANTS HERE AT THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO UNDER THE LEASE, WHICH WILL REQUIRE, UM, EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN DESIGNATED AREAS AWAY FROM THE, UM, FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT.
UM, I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT TO YOU IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ OUR RESPONSE, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS ASKED WAS, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE THERE AT THE OTHER SPACES? HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DOES H MART EXPECT? AND WE PUT THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER.
BUT WHAT WE LEARNED, WHAT OUR PROPERTY MANAGERS EARNED WHEN TALKING TO THE STORE MANAGERS WAS THAT MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES OF THESE STORES AND RESTAURANTS DO NOT DRIVE TO WORK.
THEY USE, THEY UTILIZE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
UM, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING TO FOCUS ON.
I THINK THERE WAS ONE OF THESE STORES HERE, A FC, URGENT CARE, THEY HAVE SEVEN, THEY HAVE FOUR EMPLOYEES, UM, AND ALL, AND, AND THAT'S THE ONE GROUP THAT DOES UTILIZE PARKING AT THE PROPERTY, UM, IN A HIGHER PERCENTAGE.
EVERYBODY ELSE, H MARK, 70% OF THEIR EMPLOYEES UTILIZE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
50% OF THEIR EMPLOYEES UTILIZE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
AND, UH, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S CONCERN, BUT WE,
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WE REALLY THINK THAT WITH THE PARKING PLAN THAT WE WOULD ENFORCE, AND JUST KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW FROM TALKING TO THESE STORE MANAGERS THAT THAT CONCERN IS, CAN BE FAIRLY MITIGATED.AND, AND IF I COULD JUST RIFF ON THAT FOR ONE MOMENT.
FIRST, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR, FOR DOING ALL THE LEGWORK IN, IN DETERMINING THAT I, I AGREE THAT I FOUND THAT INFORMATION UNBELIEVABLY INSIGHTFUL AND, AND WAS REALLY HELPFUL CONTEXT.
UM, IN LIGHT OF, OF UNDERSTANDING JUST HOW MUCH, UM, THE EMPLOYEE BASE UTILIZES PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, UM, TO GET TO WORK.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF, IF MAYBE COLLETTE COULD JUST QUICKLY SORT OF WALK US THROUGH THE NAVIGATION PATHS FROM, UH, THE BUS STOPS ON CENTRAL AVENUE TO, TO THE SITE.
SO THERE IS ONE, UM, SOUTHBOUND, UM, IN FRONT OF DALEWOOD ONE, UH, TO WHICH WE HAVE A RED DOTTED LINE SHOWING THE PATH OF TRAVEL FROM THAT BUS STOP.
UM, THERE IS A NORTHBOUND BUS STOP, UM, JUST TO THE, I GUESS SOUTH OF THAT BUS STOP.
SO AGAIN, ALSO IN FRONT OF DALEWOOD ONE, I DON'T HAVE THE CROSSWALKS ON HERE.
UM, I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP APPS REALLY QUICK.
ONE, SO THAT, THAT WAS GONNA BE A COUPLE, COUPLE OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO, SO ONE, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THE RED PATH OF TRAVEL IS ALL THE WAY FROM THE BUS STOP TO THE SIDEWALK PARALLEL TO, TO THE CHASE BANK.
IS THERE NO SIDEWALK IN THAT MIDDLE ENTRANCE? NO, NOT A, NOT A CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK.
UM, THERE'S A SIDEWALK, UM, BETWEEN, UH, OH, OVER HERE TO, RIGHT.
IT GOES LIKE, IF YOU TURN THE OTHER DIRECTION FROM THE BUS STOP, THEN RIGHT, RIGHT WHERE THAT PARKING FIELD ENDS, THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT SHOOTS UP BETWEEN, OKAY.
SO THERE'S ONE ON THE, ON THE BORDER OF ONE AND TWO MM-HMM
AND SO, LIKE, AND I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US, BUT IF SOMEONE WORKED AT, AT H MART, I GUESS THEY COULD, THEY COULD GO, THEY CAN GO NORTH AND THEN GO UP THAT SIDEWALK AND OKAY.
BETWEEN THE TWO, AND I BELIEVE WE ADDED THAT WHEN WE BUILT THAT OUT PARCEL BUILDING.
AND, AND SO THAT, THAT BRINGS ME TO, TO THE CROSSWALKS, UH, ACROSS OR PARALLEL TO CENTRAL AVENUE.
SO I KNOW AT, AT EITHER THE LAST MEETING OR MAYBE THE MEETING BEFORE THAT, UM, THERE'S A REALLY NICE CROSSWALK ALONG THAT CENTER ENTRANCE.
UM, UH, IN, IN THE, IN THE SECOND ENTRANCE.
THE ENTRANCE CLOSEST TO WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE GEN KOREAN.
UM, AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME MAYBE CONCERN ABOUT HOW NEW YORK STATE DOT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING.
UM, BUT I, I'D REALLY ASK THE APPLICANT TO, TO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT IN A, A CROSSWALK THERE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE DROP, THE DROP CURB RAMPS ARE, OR THEY, THEY LOOK GOOD.
THERE JUST SEEMS TO BE NO PAINTED CROSSWALK.
UM, AND, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF A, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE I, I GET OVER MY SKIS.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF A PERMIT WOULD BE REQUIRED JUST TO PAINT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY ANY, UM, MODIFICATION TO THE RAMPS OR ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT EVEN IF, EVEN IF A PERMIT WERE NECESSARY, I THINK THAT CROSSWALK CONSIDERING JUST HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, IF, IF ONLY FOR THE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE WORKING THERE, UM, I THINK THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
AND I KNOW WE WERE LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT IT WAS LIKE CONCRETE RANDOMLY I COULDN'T FIND OH, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THERE'S RED, THERE'S RED BRICK THERE ALSO OR SOMETHING.
I COULDN'T FIND ANY OTHER SITUATION.
IT, WHO KNOWS WHEN THAT WAS DONE OR WHY IT WAS DONE.
I WOULDN'T WANNA MESS WITH IT JUST 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY OR IF IT WAS FOR BUTTON FOR A REASON, BUT I THINK STRIPING IS NOT A PROBLEM.
I THINK STRIPING ON TOP OF THE BRICK, JUST LIKE ELSEWHERE, LIKE YOU'RE DOING INTERIOR TO YEAH.
NO, I, I THINK THAT MORE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, THE ENTRANCE CLOSEST TO WHAT IS GONNA BE WHAT WOULD BE THE GEN KOREAN THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO CROSSWALK THERE AT ALL.
MR. KADING, UM, MARK, HAVE YOU GUYS FILED YOUR APPLICATION WITH THE DOT FOR THE CHANGES AT THE NORTH END OF THE SITE ASSOCIATED WITH DALEWOOD? UH, I DO THREE.
WELL, WE DID NOT REQUIRE A PERMIT WITH A DOT BECAUSE WE STAYED WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE.
SHE SPOKE, SHE SPOKE HER MIND.
AND BY THE WAY, JUST AS A REMINDER, WE DID ADD A PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK THAT IN A COUPLE OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS OVER THERE AS WELL.
UM, YOU COMPARE DALEWOOD ONE, TWO, AND THREE FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT TO FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO.
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A BIG IMPROVEMENT WITH THE SIDEWALK BETWEEN DALEWOOD ONE AND TWO AND THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS THAT WE ARE NOW ADDING BETWEEN DALE AND TWO AND THREE.YEAH, THERE'S JUST, JUST THAT ONE MISSING CROSSWALK RIGHT THERE THAT WOULD, UH, COMPLETE, COMPLETE THE CHAIN.
UH, AND THEN HE, AND THEN THE CROSSWALK JUST TO LIKE FINISH THE CONVERSATION, THAT OTHER BUS STOP, THE NORTHBOUND ONE IS RIGHT HERE, AND THEN THERE'S THE CROSSWALK ACROSS CENTRAL AVENUE.
UM, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT JUST DID HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, WHERE YOU ADDED THE STOP BAR AND LOST ONE YES.
PARKING SPACE THAT'S NOW SHOWN TO BE STRIKES MM-HMM
UM, THAT IS IN A ROW OF PARKING THAT EXCEEDS 15 PARKING SPACES.
YOU'RE NOT ALTERING THE PARKING, SO THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO INCLUDE, UM, LANDSCAPED ISLANDS.
SO ON THE PLAN, YOU'VE ADDED THAT STOP BAR, UM, AND WE APPRECIATE THAT THAT RESULTED IN THE LOSS OF ONE SPACE.
THAT ROW OR AISLE OF PARKING, IT EXCEEDS 15 SPACES IN ONE LINE WITHOUT A LANDSCAPED ISLAND, UM, WHICH IS A CODE REQUIREMENT.
IF YOU WERE MODIFYING THE AREA, WHICH YOU'RE NOT, BUT IN LIGHT OF THIS, UM, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A LITTLE LANDSCAPED ISLANDS IN THAT AREA RATHER THAN JUST STRIPING IT?
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST IN THE, THE STRIPED SPACE THAT'S OTHERWISE OH YEAH.
BEING ABANDONED ADJACENT TO THE STOP BAR.
NOT, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING LIKE REMOVING MORE PARKING.
UM, JUST IN THAT STRIPED OUT SPACE.
SO INSTEAD OF STRIPING OUT THAT SPACE, PUTTING, PUTTING, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.
UM, I THINK WE, I JUST WANNA LIKE.MY I'S CROSS MY T'S, MAKE SURE LIKE THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY TALK TO MARK, PUT THE STOP SIGN.
IT STOPS PEOPLE FROM PARKING THERE.
WE CAN, WE'LL, WE'LL CONSIDER IT.
WHAT, WHAT'S THE SHARED PARKING NUMBER NOW? WITH THE REDUCTION IN SEATING? IT IS 90.
WITH THE REDUCTION IN SEATING.
IT IS, UM, IT'S STILL GONNA BE 90 BECAUSE IT WOULD GO BECAUSE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
SO IT DEFAULTS, BUT IF YOU
AND I, I NOTICED I HAPPEN TO BE THERE TODAY AND BEHIND THE CENTER THERE ARE TWO SIZABLE STORAGE, LIKE METAL STORAGE CONTAINERS SITTING WHERE YOU DO EMPLOYEE PARKING WOULD BE.
LIKE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH KELLY, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT COLETTE? YEAH.
SO THAT'S A TEMPORARY DEAL WITH, UM, HOME MANDARIN AS THEY BUILD OUT, UH, THE NEIGHBORING SPACE THAT THEY'VE LEASED SO THAT THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, UH, THROUGH AN AGREEMENT WITH US AND IS NOT A LONG TERM.
UM, THEY'RE NOT LONG TERM STORAGE UNITS THAT WILL BE THERE.
AND MY LAST, UH, QUESTION IS, IS ANY PERMIT NECESSARY FROM THE STATE FOR TRENCHING NEAR THE, UH, SITE MANAGEMENT PLAN AREA WHERE IT'S BEEN REMEDIATED? OH, UM, WHEN I LOOKED THROUGH THE, DO I DON'T, NO.
THE SH I HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I'M ALMOST POSITIVE.
'CAUSE I LOOKED INTO IT
IT'S ONLY WHEN YOU'RE WITHIN THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO APPLY ENVIRONMENTAL CONTROLS.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S REQUIREMENTS JUST WHEN YOU'RE GETTING NEAR SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REMEDIATED AND MAYBE CAPPED.
I, THERE'S ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION? YES, YES.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION BEHIND, LIKE WHERE ARE YOU
WE'RE, WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE, THERE IS A, THERE IS A ENVIRONMENTAL, TRYING TO REMEMBER THE SPECIFICS OF IT.
WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THAT STATE REQUIREMENT IS, AND IT REQUIRES US NOTIFYING THE STATE.
THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHEN WE DO THE, UM, TRENCHING WORK IN FRONT.
AND I KNOW THAT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL,
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INTERNALLY, OUR BRICK, MORE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS ARE AWARE OF IT.THEY RETAINED, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL FIRMS, ADVISE THEM, SUPERVISE CONSTRUCTION THROUGH THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ALL SEEING NONE.
UM, DO YOU THINK YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET RESPONSES TO THESE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS BY TUESDAY, THE 24TH? MARK, WHAT DO YOU THINK? WE, WE CAN.
SO, SO IF, IF WE'D BE ABLE TO, TO GET THE RESPONSES BY NEXT TUESDAY, UM, THEN I, UH, INTEND TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS, UH, APPLICATION FOR MONDAY, MARCH 30TH, WHICH IS OUR NEXT MEETING.
OUR OUR MEETING IS MONDAY THE 30TH INSTEAD OF THE WEDNESDAY BECAUSE OF, UH, PASSOVER THAT WEEK.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONDENSED TIMELINE, BUT WE APPRECIATE, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION AND, AND HELPING US MOVE THIS FORWARD.
HOPEFULLY ALONG THE WAY YOU GUYS ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE APPLICATION AND WE'LL DO EVERYTHING ON OUR END TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE, YOU KNOW, REMEMBER OUR, OUR TENANTS, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE JUST AS CONCERNED.
THEY WANNA HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THEIR USES.
THEY, WE WE'RE JUST AS CONCERNED.
WE WANT THE CENTER TO OPERATE EFFICIENTLY.
I THINK WE'VE GOT ONE OF THE BEST PROPERTY MANAGERS ON THE, ON THE CASE AND IF LIKE REGARDS TO SNOW, IF IT NEEDS TO BE HAULED OFF, NOT A PROBLEM.
WE, WE HOPEFULLY CAN GET OUR ANSWERS BACK TO YOU BY TUESDAY.
THEN WE WILL SEE YOU ON, UH, MARCH 30TH.
SO WANNA CONFIRM, UH, FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL NEED TO SEND OUT THE NOTICES TOMORROW.
UH, IS THAT GONNA BE AN ISSUE OR ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OUT THE NOTICES TOMORROW? UH, WE WILL WORK TO GET THE NOTICES OUT TOMORROW.
AND WE'LL DO THAT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING.
ALRIGHT, NEXT UP WE HAVE, UH, A NEW NEW BUSINESS WORK SESSION.
UH, CASE NUMBER PB 25 29 PALADINO AT ONE 40 NHAN AVENUE.
UH, PO ELMSFORD, UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, I HAVE MY ARCHITECT, UH, MIKE GISMONDI ON, AND CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? OH, SORRY.
I OWN THE PROPERTY AT ONE 40
NOW I CAN SHARE A SCREEN JUST SO THAT, UH, SURE.
THAT WAS MIKE GISMONDI, MY ARCHITECT, BY THE WAY.
SO MIKE, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE YOU PRESENT THE PROJECT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC.
UM, YOU CAN HAVE ME CYCLE THROUGH THE PLANS.
CAN YOU SEE THE FACT THAT I'M SHARING THE PLANS NOW? I DO, YEAH.
UM, I THINK WE'RE UP IN THE TOP CORNER.
WE MAY WANT TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THAT SO WE CAN SEE THE, UH, ACTUAL SIDE BIKE.
IT'S DOWN IN THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER.
UM, AND IF WE MOVE THIS, THIS IS THE EXISTING SITE.
UM, OUR APPLICATION INVOLVES THE, UM, THE CONVERSION OF THIS VACANT LOT, UM, INTO A, A MATERIAL AND VEHICLE STORAGE SPACE FOR A CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS THAT MR. PALADINO RUNS.
AND, UM, WE ARE, UM, OCCUPYING APPROXIMATELY 2,500 SQUARE FEET RIGHT IN THE CENTER OF THIS AREA.
YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, FOUR, UM, MATERIAL STORAGE.
UM, HIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY UTILIZES, UM, PIPING, UM, UH, FORMS FOR CONCRETE WORK.
UM, UH, THERE'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, OTHER TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT HE'S GOT IN THERE, NOT ON, SIMILAR TO THE SITE THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF SAW MOVER RIVER ROAD, UM, WHICH IS ALSO HIS SITE, WHICH HE OPERATES THE SAME KIND OF OPERATION THERE.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO, UM, INSTALL 10 PARKING SPACES.
UM, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE STORING SOME, UM, MOTOR VEHICLES, UM, THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BUSINESS.
AND, UM, HIS EMPLOYEES WILL PARK IN THESE
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SPACES AND TAKE THE EQUIPMENT, UM, TO THE CONSTRUCTION SITE.UM, SO THERE'LL BE KIND OF A, UH, MOVEMENT OF, UH, EQUIPMENT OUT.
UM, WE HAVE A GATE THAT IS PRESENTLY LOCATED ON NORTH PAYNE STREET.
UM, THIS SITE IS COMPLETELY ENCLOSED IN A SEVEN FOOT SIX HIGH CHAINING FENCE.
IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT ON THE INTERIOR, WE'RE PROPOSING TO BUILD A LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UH, SEVEN FEET WIDE, UH, SHRUBBERY AS YOU SEE ON THIS PLAN THAT WILL THEN CLOSE THE ENTIRE SITE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE GATE, UH, WHERE WE HAVE A SLIDING GATE, WHICH WILL PROVIDE ACCESS, UH, IN AND OUT OF THE SITE.
UM, SO THE SITE ITSELF WILL BE COMPLETELY CONTAINED.
UM, AND WE WILL HAVE THIS LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
UM, ONE IS THE 2,500 SQUARE FEET OF PROPOSED MATERIAL STORAGE AND, UM, THE REMAINDER FOR, UH, MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE.
UM, AND WE ARE, UM, ALSO LOCATED WITHIN, UH, A FEMUR 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, UM, OF WHICH WE, UM, APPLIED FOR A PERMIT AND, UM, WENT THROUGH, UM, UH, A SERIES OF, UH, QUESTIONS AND INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE SITE ITSELF, UM, IS SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, FLOODING.
UH, BUT THE, THE, THE FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY IN JUNCTION WITH THE LANDSCAPING WILL CONTAIN ANY MATERIAL WITHIN THE SITE.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT ANYTHING, ANY MOVEMENT OFF THE SITE ABOUT ANY OF THIS MATERIAL.
UM, IN THE, IN THE CASE OF AN EXTREME FLOOD, UM, THAT HAS OCCURRED IN THAT AREA, UM, ON THE VARIOUS OCCASIONS, UM, THE ACCESS, AGAIN IS OFF OF NORTH PAYNE STREET.
UH, HAM AVENUE IS, IS SORT OF A PAPER STREET, BUT IT, IT, UH, PROVIDES ACCESS ON ONE SIDE.
WE GOT A COUPLE OF PHOTOS ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, PLAN THAT SHOW, UM, AERIAL VIEWS.
UM, WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING DURING CONSTRUCTION IN, UM, A, UM, EROSION CONTROL, UH, SYSTEM.
UH, WHILE WE'RE, UH, PLANNING TO, UH, CLEAN THE SITE, REMOVE SOME, UH, CONCRETE WALLS THAT ARE THERE NOW, UM, FROM A PREVIOUS, UH, OPERATOR AND, UM, CLEAN AND, AND GENERAL CLEANING OF THE SITE.
UM, IT'S SELF-CONTAINED AGAIN.
AND, UM, WE ARE, UM, IN, WITHIN THIS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE, WHICH PERMITS THESE USES, UM, WE ARE NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES.
UM, WE PROVIDED, UM, A BREAKDOWN OF, UM, THE, UM, PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, UM, VEHICLE STORAGE, EQUIPMENT STORAGE, LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
UM, AND THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS SHOWN ON THE CHART ON THIS SITE PLAN ON THE, UH, RIGHT HAND SIDE.
UM, UH, SOME DETAILS, UH, UM, DETAILING THE, UM, THE LANDSCAPING.
UM, BUT WE'VE, WE'VE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE, UH, ZONING STATISTIC CHART THAT WILL SHOW YOU ALL THE, UM, INFORMATION.
UM, THERE IS NO BUILDING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY.
UM, AGAIN, IT'S SIMPLY A STORAGE, UH, UNIT THAT WILL, UM, FACILITATE, UM, MR. ENO'S COMPANY.
UM, JOE, IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, UM, WE CAN, UH, CERTAINLY DO THAT NOW AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING IT.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER? OH, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, YES.
DID HAVE ONE QUESTION SLASH COMMENT.
IT APPEARS FROM THE ZONING COMPLIANCE CHART THAT, UH, WHILE THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY EXISTS AND IS CLASSIFIED WITH 100% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, THE LI ZONE REQUIRES UP OR PERMITS UP TO 80% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE.
AND IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE BRINGING THE SITE INTO COMPLIANCE AT SLIGHTLY UNDER 80%.
IT'S SHOWING AT 78.53%, WHICH CONFORMS TO THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
IS THAT A FUNCTION OF THE LANDSCAPING BUFFER, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE PERIMETER? YES, IT'S, YES, THAT IS, YEAH.
CLEARLY, AND IF YOU, IF YOU MOVE DOWN ON THAT CHART, YOU'LL SEE WHAT WE, UH, WHAT I PREPARED WAS, UM,
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A, A BREAKDOWN OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.UM, 2020 1.47% WILL BE, UM, UH, LANDSCAPE OR, UM, PERUS.
AND, UH, THAT REPRESENTS 3,220 SQUARE FEET.
AND I GAVE YOU THE BREAKDOWN ON THE SIDE.
SO WE, WE'VE CLEARLY COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH, UM, THE IMPERVIOUS REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT WAS WITH RESPECT TO THE LANDSCAPING, YOU WANNA BE SURE IF YOU, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY LOOKED INTO THIS, BUT GIVEN THAT THE SITE'S PRONE TO FLOODING, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY PLANT MATERIAL YOU UTILIZE, IN THIS CASE, THE SHAMROCK INK BERRIES, UM, CAN WHAT THEY CALL HAVE WET FEET OR CAN, YOU KNOW, SIT IN WATER FOR PERIODS OF TIME IF THERE IS FLOODING, BECAUSE IF THE MATERIAL DIES, YOU'RE GONNA BE NON-COMPLIANT WITH THE PLAN AND THEN HAVE TO REPLACE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I, I APPRECIATE YOUR REDUCING THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF, OF THE LOT, UH, AND BRINGING THE LOT INTO COMPLIANCE.
UM, THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO FURTHER MANAGE THE, THE STORMWATER AND THE STORMWATER RUNOFF ON THE SITE? BECAUSE MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE HAVING A LOT OF VEHICLES, THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, OIL OR GAS OR, OR OTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, OO OTHER FACTORS RELATED TO THE VEHICLES THAT COULD JUST RUN OFF THE PROPERTY.
AND SO HAVING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WITH AN OIL FILTER OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO, TO CATCH AND, AND MAINTAIN THAT STORMWATER RUNOFF, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD CERTAINLY BE A BENEFIT.
LIKE AN OIL SEPARATOR, AN OIL SEPARATOR.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU CONSIDERED OR SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER? UM, WELL, WE CAN RESEARCH IT.
UH, FIRST DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY MADONNA.
I RECALL A LONG TIME AGO THAT I BELIEVE EITHER BUILDING OR THE TRAFFIC SAFETY OFFICER HAD INDICATED, UM, THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE BLACK FABRIC ON THE FENCE FOR, FOR SITE DISTANCE.
AND WAS THAT ADDRESSED OR, OR MIKE, DO YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT? I CAN, I CAN ANSWER THAT, YES, SIR.
THAT, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE PROPERTY IN THE FRONT BECAUSE IN THE SECTION OF NORTH PAINE AND ROUTE NINE A, UM, THERE WAS A FABRIC GOING TO THE CORNER OF THE FENCE MM-HMM
AND THERE WAS A CERTAIN DIMENSION, BUT THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED.
PROBABLY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW.
ALRIGHT, I, I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I'LL HAVE SOME, BUT WHY DON'T YOU GO.
UM, SO I I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL UP GOOGLE MAPS.
I, I NOTICED ON GOOGLE MAPS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT THERE WERE VEHICLES THAT, THAT LOOKED TO BE PARKED, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY IN THE TOWN RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THERE LOOKED LIKE THERE, THERE WAS WHAT, WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AT ONE POINT A SIDEWALK, BUT THERE WAS NO VEHICLES PARKED THERE.
UM, WHAT WOULD THE PLAN BE FOR THAT, FOR THAT AREA BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE ROADWAY? UM, ARE THERE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS? YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS SORT OF THE THOUGHTS? SO, UM, MY EMPLOYEE, LIKE, YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER OR I, YEAH, JOE, I JUST, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, ARE YOU, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HAM AVENUE PAPER STREET? SO I'M TALKING, UH, UH, PERPENDICULAR TO THE, TO THAT.
YEAH, I THINK HE'S MEANS NORTH PAYNE WHERE THEY PARK ALMOST DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE FENCE, KIND OF ON THE SIDEWALK.
SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES THAT ARE IN THAT SIMILAR IN THAT AREA RIGHT NEXT TO, ADJACENT TO MY PROPERTY.
MY MEN ALL PARK INSIDE OF THE, THE GATE MM-HMM
AND, AND YOU'LL SEE DURING THE DAY THERE'S SOME CARS THERE.
UH, SO MY MEN BASICALLY, THEY PULL IN, THEY TAKE A TRUCK AND THEY LEAVE THEIR CAR WHERE THE TRUCKS WHERE THE TRUCK WAS PARKED.
THERE'S OTHER CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES THAT REALLY PARK EVERYWHERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE WILD WEST OVER THERE.
IT STILL, IT LOOKS EXACTLY
THEY ALL PUT THEIR CARS INSIDE.
UM, SO I GUESS WOULD THERE BE THE APPETITE TO, TO MAYBE IMPROVE THAT, THAT SIDEWALK? SIDEWALK, IF YOU COULD CALL IT A SIDEWALK? UM, YOU KNOW, WHILE, WHILE IT MIGHT BE THE, THE ODD MAN OUT NOW, CERTAINLY AS HOPEFULLY OTHER LOTS ARE IMPROVED, UH, IN THE LONG TERM THEY COULD BEGIN TO CONNECT AND CREATE A MORE, UH, MORE TRADITIONAL STANDARD, UH, SIDEWALK AND, UH, RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES AND THE ROADWAY.
UH, MR. WEINBERG, SO THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE GONNA BE STORED IN THERE ARE TRUCKS AND THEN THEIR, YOUR PEOPLE ARE PARKING CARS.
YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE PARKING THEIR CARS IN THERE? YES, THERE'S
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GONNA BE, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MATERIALS, SOME UH, JOB SITE MATERIALS, A PIPE AND, AND, UH, CONCRETE FORMS. AND, UM, BUT MOST OF IT, UM, THERE'S GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY 10 PARKING SPACES.SO I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE SEVEN OR EIGHT TRUCKS AT ONE TIME PARKED IN THAT LOCATION.
AND HOW OFTEN ARE THEY GOING IN AND OUT? EVERY DAY? UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
AND GOING OUT ALL OF THEM, I MEAN, EVERY, NOT ALL OF 'EM, EVERY SINGLE DAY? NO, NO.
DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHAT WOULD HAVE GOING ON AS FAR AS WORKWISE.
BUT SOMETIMES THEY'LL, SOME TRUCKS WILL REMAIN THERE DURING THE DAY AND OTHER TIMES THEY'LL BE USED ON THE JOB SITES.
DID YOU DO ANY ENVIRONMENTAL TESTING WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY? YES, I DID.
AND HOW DID THAT COME OUT? UH, IT WAS CLEAN.
WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE? IT WAS ALWAYS A VACANT LAND THAT NEVER HAD SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AND, BUT, BUT THERE'S JUST SOME CONCRETE WALL THAT YOU HAVE TO REMOVE? WELL, THERE'S JUST KIND OF, IT'S NOT EVEN REMOVAL, THEY'RE LOOSE.
UM, THE LOOSE LARGE BLOCKS THAT CREATED, UM, JUST SOME WALL SPACE THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY.
AND WE'RE GOING THROUGH LIKE JERSEY BARRIERS OR, CORRECT.
UM, ANY IDEA, LIKE WHAT DID, DID YOU SAY YOU APPLIED FOR THE FLOOD PLANE PERMIT ALREADY? YES, WE DID.
AND ANY SENSE OF WHAT THE TIMING IS ON THAT AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS? AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE FLOODPLAIN PERMIT WAS ALREADY REVIEWED BY THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING AND IN FACT, UH, NOT UNDER REALIZING THAT, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL WOULD BE REQUIRED, THE FLOODPLAIN PERMIT WAS ISSUED, IT'S PREPARED, SO THEY COMPLIED WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN ENGINEER.
UM, IT'S BEING HELD, BUT IT'S BEEN PROCESSED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, STATE PERMITS THAT ARE NECESSARY? NOT ON THIS PROPERTY, NO.
UM, ALL THOSE, UM, PERMITS HAVE BEEN, UM, REVIEWED AND ISSUED AS WELL.
UM, WE WERE READY TO, YOU KNOW, TO RECEIVE A BUILDING PERMIT AND THEN WE FOUND THAT WE NEEDED THE SITE APPROVAL.
ARE YOU DOING ANY GRADING OR IMPORTING ANY FILL? NO.
AND ONE OTHER POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IN THAT IS THAT THE SURFACE AREA IS ALL GRAVEL.
AND, AND I THINK THE, THE TOWN ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK GRAVEL IS, UH, CONSIDERED AN IMPERVIOUS SERVICE UNDER THE, UNDER THE CODE IN GREENBERG.
WHEN IT'S DRIVEN OVER CODE IS, YES.
BUT, UH, THE ONLY POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING ANY BLACKTOP.
NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A HARD, A HARD SURFACE.
WELL, AND IT'S THEORETICALLY SEMI-PERMEABLE DEPENDING.
AND DO YOUR EMPLOYEES SPEND ANY TIME THERE OTHER THAN JUST GETTING OUTTA THEIR CARS AND GETTING IN A TRUCK? UH, TYPICALLY NO.
AND SO THERE'S NO, FOR THE MOST PART THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY PLANS FOR, YOU KNOW, BATHROOM FACILITIES FOR THEM? UH, NO FORES SAND SOMETHING.
UH, MS. ROBINSON, SO AS YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS A KNOWN FLOOD ZONE.
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE GET HEAVY RAIN.
UM, WHAT STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PRACTICE DO YOU HAVE IN PLACE TO PROTECT THE MATERIALS THAT YOU'RE STORING THERE AND THEN ALSO THE VEHICLES? SO WE ALSO OWN THE PROPERTY THAT'S CLOSER TO NINE A, WHICH TYPICALLY DOESN'T GET A LOT OF WATER.
UM, AND SOME OF THE, MOST OF THE TIME, UM, WHEN THEY'RE CALLING FOR HEAVY RAIN, UM, BOTH YARDS, INCLUDING THE YARD CLOSER TO THE, TO THE RIVER, UM, USUALLY ARE PRETTY WELL THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT AS BAD AS FURTHER IN LIKE BROOKFIELD AND RIGHT.
AND GLEN'S TOWING THOSE AREAS, THEY GET, THEY GET HIT PRETTY HARD.
UM, BUT WHAT WE HAVE IS OUR FENCE IS, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE AND IT'S ALL ENCLOSED.
SO, UM, IT, IT'S, NOTHING IS REALLY GONNA LEAVE THE PROPERTY, UH, OR FLOAT AWAY.
UH, EVERYTHING'S PRETTY MUCH SELF-CONTAINED AND, UM, THE VEHICLES DO GET BROUGHT TO THE OTHER PROPERTY JUST IN THE EVENT THAT, UH, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE TO FLOOD AND WE'D HAVE AN ISSUE PROPERTY.
SO THE, THE VEHICLES WILL BE MOVED, BUT THE MATERIALS WILL REMAIN.
AND THE MAT, WHAT TYPE OF MATERIALS ARE THERE AGAIN? UM, THEY'RE MOSTLY CONCRETE FORMS. THERE'S, UH, PIPE, DRAINAGE PIPE.
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SO NOTHING LIKE SAND OR GRAVEL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT.
UM, THEN, UH, I, I, WE WILL SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PROJECT FOR MONDAY, MARCH 30TH.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME, EVERYONE.
SAME QUESTION AS, UH, THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT.
UH, THAT NOTICE WILL HAVE TO GO OUT TOMORROW.
UH, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? THE NOTICE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? I, I'LL, I THINK WE CAN GET, MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
MIKE, DO YOU SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, MIKE? UH, NO, I DON'T.
UH, TOMORROW I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.
UM, THE NOTICE ITSELF IS GONNA COME, IS GONNA BE BORN OUT OF YOUR OFFICE? YES.
WE WILL GIVE YOU THE NOTICE, UH, EARLY TOMORROW MORNING.
WHEN DOES IT HAVE TO BE? UM, PUBLISHED IN THE, UH, JOURNALISM.
SO WE HANDLE THE NOTICING TO THE NEWSPAPER.
YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAIL IT TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND POST IT.
AND TO PICK UP A SIGN THAT WE WILL ALSO PREPARE AND TO POST AT THE SITE.
SO THOSE NOTICES WILL HAVE TO GO TO ALL THOSE NEIGHBORS BY TOMORROW? YES.
IT'LL HAVE TO BE SENT IN THE MAIL TOMORROW.
DO WE, WE, DO WE GET THAT, UH, LIST FROM THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE OR DO WE OR WE COME UP WITH THAT OURSELVES? NO, LEGALLY OUTTA YOU WANNA, YOU GET A PLANNING THAT AS PART OF YOUR APPLICATION? WE, UH, WE HAVE PREPARED THE LABELS FOR YOU.
SO WE GET THE LABELS, WE GET THE SIGN AND YOU GET THE NOTICE.
WE GET THE NOTICE AND THEN, YEAH.
I DON'T WANNA TAKE THE BOARD'S, UH, TIME NOW.
YEAH, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.
LET'S HAVE A BRIEF FIVE MINUTE RECESS.
ALRIGHT, WELCOME BACK EVERYONE.
UH, THIS IS STILL, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
IT IS STILL WEDNESDAY, MARCH 18TH.
UM, NEXT UP WE HAVE, UH, A WORK SESSION, OLD BUSINESS, UH, TB 25 0 3 PB 25 39 1, LAWRENCE LEY, LLC AT ONE LAWRENCE STREET, PO OLEY.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A TOWN BOARD SITE PLAN, UH, REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD, UH, AND IS ALSO A TOWN BOARD T REMOVAL PERMIT, A ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL, SPECIAL USE PERMIT, UH, PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND A PLANNING BOARD WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, PROFESSIONAL STAFF.
UH, MATT BARRONS FROM THE LAW FIRM, AARON AND STEINMETZ HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE JACOB BAME.
UH, MARK PETRO FROM JMC ENGINEERING AND MEMBERS OF THE OWNERSHIP SLASH APPLICANT TEAM ARE HERE AS WELL.
WELL, UM, AS MR. CHAIRMAN YOU MENTIONED, WE ARE HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR A REFERRAL BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD DUE TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AS A FAIRLY LARGE, UH, SIZE PROPERTY.
THE TOWN BOARD HAS SITE PLAN JURISDICTION OVER THIS PROPERTY AS OPPOSED TO JUST THE PLANNING BOARD.
WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK, HOWEVER, FOR STEEP SLOPES, PERMITS AFTER THAT, UM, AND WETLAND AND WETLANDS.
SO A COUPLE MORE PERMITS AFTER THAT.
BUT HERE IS JUST THE REFERRAL ON THE SITE PLAN ITSELF.
SO SINCE WE LAST MET WITH YOUR BOARD, WE TOOK SOME OF YOUR, UH, GREAT COMMENTS.
WE INCORPORATED SOME FEEDBACK AND WE HAVE, UM, UPDATED THE PLANS AS WELL AS RESPONDED SOME TO SOME ENGINEERING COMMENTS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING.
AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY MOVING THIS SUBSTANTIALLY FORWARD, UM, TO HOPEFULLY PUT YOUR BOARD IN A POSITION TO BE MAKING A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION AT THE NEXT OR THE NEXT TWO MEETINGS, UM, AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE.
SO I'LL START WITH THE, THE BIGGEST CHANGE THAT I KNOW IS IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE.
OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A, YOU KNOW, ABILITY FOR PEDESTRIANS TO WALK ON THAT ONE.
WE ADDED, AS WE DISCUSSED, TWO PEDESTRIAN SAFETY TECHNOLOGIES AT EACH ONE, AT EACH CURB CUT.
SO IF YOU SEE AT EACH CURB CUT, THERE'S GONNA, MARK WILL WALK THROUGH THIS.
YOU HA YOU'LL HAVE A BIG SIGN, UM, THAT WILL LIGHT UP KIND OF WITH A MOTION SENSOR AS TRUCKS AND CARS DRIVE THROUGH THE, THE CURB CUT ENTRANCE, UM, AND EXIT.
AND THAT WILL LIGHT UP AND A PEDESTRIAN WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.
AND MARK WILL WALK THROUGH THE CUT SHEETS SO THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE WITH IT, AS WELL AS THE LOCATION IT'LL BE FACING.
EACH CURB CUT, THE SIGN WILL BE FACING BOTH SIDES.
SO PEDESTRIANS ON WALKING EITHER DIRECTION WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT.
UM, SECONDLY, WE ADDED LIGHTING, UM, DUE TO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT HOURS OF OPERATION.
THIS IS A, A MAJORITY CONTRACTOR
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STORAGE YARD SIMILAR TO THE LAST APPLICATION AS WELL AS A VEHICLE STORAGE.SO OBVIOUSLY CONTRACTOR STORAGE CONSTRUCTION STARTS EARLY IN THE MORNING.
UM, IN THE WINTERTIME THERE MIGHT, YOU MIGHT NEED THE LIGHTING.
SO WE DID INCLUDE LIGHTING IN THIS PLAN.
IT IS ZONING, IT IS INTENDED TO BE, IT WILL BE REVIEWED AS CONFIRMED AS SUCH.
ZONING COMPLIANT, DARK SKY COMPLIANT GLARE INWARD, NO GLARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
UM, AND AS SHIELDED AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE'LL BE FACING INWARD DARK SKY COMPLIANT, UH, I BELIEVE 14 FEET HEIGHT TO BE ZONING COMPLIANT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THE WE'RE LARGELY STAYING WITHIN THE CONFINES OF WHAT WAS ALREADY EXISTING.
REMEMBER THIS IS THE NOBEL CHEMICAL MANUFACTURING PLANT.
SO WE ARE LARGELY STAYING WITHIN ALREADY DISTURBED AREAS.
WE'RE NOT EXPANDING TO THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH WAS UNDISTURBED.
BUT WE ARE ADDING, SO WE HAVE THE EXISTING GRAVEL, WHICH IS ABOUT THE 110.
AND THEN WE HAVE PERVIOUS ASPHALT PAVEMENT AROUND THAT, WHICH WILL BE THE VEHICLE MOVEMENT, YOU KNOW, THE PATH, THE DRIVEWAY THROUGH AS WELL AS THE, THE PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT'LL BE PERVIOUS ASPHALT, WE KNOW UNDER CODE THAT'S THAT STILL QUAS, YOU KNOW, QUALIFIES AS IMPERVIOUS.
HOWEVER, WE ARE ADDING, UH, A DRAINAGE AND A SWALE, A SWALE MECHANISM AS WELL AS A, A DRAINAGE ALONG THE EASTERN SIDE.
UM, I WILL JUST NOTE THERE ARE SOME SITE CONSTRAINTS DUE TO THE CAP FROM THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE SKY'S THE LIMIT IN TERMS OF THE DRAINAGE STRUCTURES THAT WE CAN PUT IN.
SO WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT.
MARK WILL WALK THROUGH, UM, THE DRAINAGE, UH, TRAFFIC.
UH, JOHN CANNING DID ISSUE A TRAFFIC MEMO.
WE CAN ALSO, UM, CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE AS WELL AS IT COULD OF, OF COURSE BE IN A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE JOHN HAD ANY MORE COMMENTS ON, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE RESTRICTING, UH, TURNING RA UH, TURNING DIRECTIONS, UH, AT EACH OF THE CURB CUTS.
I DON'T THINK JOHN HAD AN ISSUE WITH THAT ANYMORE.
SO I HOPE WE'RE WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT ISSUE.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN TALK THROUGH THE BIGGER, I BELIEVE JOHN RAISED AN ISSUE WITH THE WB, WHAT HE SAW AS AN ISSUE WITH THE WB 50 TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCK.
SO WE'LL TALK THROUGH THAT AS WELL WITH MARK.
I WILL JUST ADD THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, WE ARE NOT TOUCHING THE FLOODWAY AND I KNOW THAT'S A TECHNICAL TERM.
I'LL LET MARK EXPLAIN THAT MORE.
UM, AND WE ARE NOT DISPLACING THE VOLUME OF STORAGE WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, UH, WHICH I KNOW IS THE KEY UNDER CODE.
IT'S NOT YOU, IT'S NOT CATEGORICALLY PROHIBITED TO TOUCH WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
IT'S JUST THAT KIND OF NET VOLUME OF STORAGE, WHICH WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH.
THERE'S ALSO ELEVATIONS AROUND THE, GOING INTO THE SITE OFF OF THE FLOOD A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN, WHICH MEANS, WHICH WOULD KIND OF MITIGATE SOME OF THE FLOOD ISSUES AS WELL, WHICH MARK WILL TALK ABOUT.
UM, I'LL LET MARK GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ITEMS THERE, UNLESS THERE WAS ANY IMMEDIATE BURNING QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR STAFF.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT.
UH, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S STILL ONGOING DISCUSSION AND REVIEW BOTH BY THIS BOARD AND BY PROFESSIONAL STAFF.
UM, GIVEN THAT THERE'S A TIMELINE YEAH.
FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO ISSUE ITS RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE SITE PLAN REFERRAL, THIS BOARD WOULD, UH, SEEK IN AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS.
AS LONG AS WE CAN ALL MOVE THIS FORWARD AND WE WILL DO OUR PART TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO THAT WOULD MOVE THINGS TO ABOUT, WE'LL CONFIRM, BUT ROUGHLY APRIL 20TH.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
MR. WEINBERG, DO IS A DEC WETLANDS PERMIT REQUIRED? UH, LET ME LET MARK OUR ENGINEER WALK THROUGH THAT WHEN HE GET, WHEN HE GETS UP FOR THE AIRPLANE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, YOU, DO YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR A FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT? WE HONOR, I'LL LET MARK, I LET MARK SOMETHING.
AND I KNOW YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CAP IT'S DIFFICULT, BUT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT ANY STORM WATER MANAGEMENT GIVEN THE FLOODING IN THAT AREA? WE'RE PUTTING A DRAINAGE, UM, S SW AND A SWALE, WHICH MARK WILL TALK, MARK WILL TALK, BUT THAT'S DRAINING IT INTO WHAT THE RIVER.
I'LL LET MARK TALK THROUGH THAT.
UM, AND DO WE KNOW, DOES WHAT THE HISTORY OF THE FLOODING IS THERE? I DON'T BELIEVE FLOODING HAS BEEN A MAJOR ISSUE.
WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER ENGINEER WHO HAS WORKED HISTORICALLY ON THIS PROPERTY THAT CAN CONFIRM THAT AS WELL.
IN TERMS OF CCRA, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT IT BEING UNLISTED.
UH, IS THERE AN EXPECTATION OF DOING A ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY ON THE PROPERTY? AN EIS NO.
THAT WOULD BE, I BELIEVE, WAY TOO MUCH.
I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED MORE DOWN THE NEG REC NEG DECK ROUTE.
ARE YOU BRINGING ANY FILL? YOU'RE BRINGING SOME FILL ON THERE, RIGHT? AND
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YOU'RE DOING GRADING.I'LL LET MARK SPEAK TO THE, THE FILL AND GRADING.
UM, AND ON THE SECRET SUBJECT, IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT REAL QUICK, UH, IF A FLOOD PLANE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT IS IN FACT REQUIRED, UH, THIS PROJECT, UH, WOULD THEN QUALIFY AS A LOCAL TYPE ONE ACTION, UH, FOR IMPACTS TO A FLOOD PLANE.
AND WHAT IS THAT? JUST AS A MATTER OF PROCEDURE? IT WOULD INVOLVE A REQUIREMENT THAT A LONG FORM EAF BE PRODUCED.
AND, UH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, AND MATT CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE TOWN, UM, BACK OFF ON THAT.
TOWN BOARD, UH, LEAD AGENCY ON THIS, MATT? I BELIEVE SO.
SO ULTIMATELY SEEKER DETERMINATIONS UP TO THE TOWN BOARD, BUT THEY CIRCULATED THEIR LEAD AGENCY NOTICE OF INTENT THAT, AND THIS BOARD HAD NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
I WOULD JUST SAY THIS IS, THIS IS, JUST TO TAKE A STEP BACK, THIS IS RELATIVELY LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE, BUT THIS IS CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, GENERALLY PASSIVE USE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DAY.
YOU KNOW, VEHICLE STORAGE, THINK RIDER TRUCKS THAT WILL INTERMITTENTLY BE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN OFFSITE.
SO THIS IS NOT, UH, HIGH TRAFFIC THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
HIGH IMPACT INTENSITY, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE PREVIOUS CHEMICAL MANUFACTURING USE.
THAT WAS AND THE SURROUNDING CONTEXT, WHICH MARK WILL ALSO GET INTO THE EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE STORING THERE.
SCAFFOLDING, I MEAN, HOW HIGH ARE YOU? THERE'S CODE COMPLIANT, I BELIEVE THERE'S CODE COMPLIANT HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MEET, THERE IS CODE COMPLIANT HEIGHT.
SO THERE'S, SO MOST OF THAT'S SCREENED BY THE FENCING.
THAT'LL BE UP THERE IS FENCING.
THERE'S ALSO SCREENS, THERE'S, THERE'S LANCI SCREENING AND WE ARE ZONING COMPLIANT IN ALL THE DIMENSIONAL LANDSCAPE SCREENING BUFFERING AROUND THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE THE, THE SIDEWALK WILL BE AND WHERE THE COUNTY TRAILWAY WOULD BE.
CURRENTLY IT'S, IT'S STILL ABATED AND OVERGROWN, SO WE'RE CLEANING THAT UP WITH A FENCE AS WELL.
UH, I'M ALSO, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, IF YOU CAN COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
UH, BEFORE, UH, THE MEETING TONIGHT, WE WENT BY THE SITE WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND UNFORTUNATELY THE, UH, FENCE WAS VANDALIZED AND THE LOCKS WERE BROKEN.
LUCKILY I HAD, UH, SOME CHAINS AND SOME, UH, LOCKS AND WE PUT THEM ON THE FENCE.
WE'LL DO A POLICE REPORT TOMORROW AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.
AND THIS IS LIKE THE FIFTH TIME SOMEBODY'S BROKEN THE GATES.
AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE SITE.
I, I WAS THERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE LATE MORNING AND IT WASN'T BROKEN THEN FOR WHATEVER THAT SORT.
WELL, WHEN YOU GO BY THERE TOMORROW YOU'LL SEE THE LOCKS.
I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY BROKE 'EM.
THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE JUST CRUSHED.
YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL, UH, NOTIFY THE POLICE TOMORROW.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR US? FOR ME? ARE YOU GONNA HAVE A STRUCTURE THERE TO PROTECT YOUR EQUIPMENT? UM, THERE'S A PROPOSED, UH, STRUCTURE ON THE DRAWING, BUT NOT IN, IN, IN THE BEGINNING OF, UH, OF THIS PROCESS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA PUT A STRUCTURE UP.
WELL, IT WOULD BE A FUTURE HYPOTHETICAL.
AS PART OF THIS SEEKER AND THIS SITE PLAN APPLICATION, WE REMOVED THAT PHYSICAL STRUCTURE.
IF WE DID PUT A STRUCTURE, WE WOULD COME BACK FOR AMENDED CYCLE.
BUT IT'S CONTEMPLATED IN THE FUTURE, BUT NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION.
DO YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE GONNA BE STATIONED THERE? YES.
AND HOW MANY I MIGHT ASK? UM, ROUGHLY
AND THEY'LL BE THERE SORT OF FULL TIME? YES.
AND ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BATHROOM FACILITIES FOR THEM? YES, WE HAVE TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY FACILITIES.
AND YOU HAVE, AND THERE'S WATER INTO THIS PROPERTY? NO, WE HAVE TEMPORARY WATER ALSO.
I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE GIVEN THE CAP THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO INSTALL WATER LINES THERE.
AND LEMME JUST SAY REMEMBER WITH THE, WITH THE D THIS PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY WAS ENTERED IN THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM SUBSEQUENTLY THEN ACQUIRED BY OUR CLIENTS.
UM, SO THERE IS A, A SIX INCH CAP LAYER, UM, AS WELL AS WATERING TESTING HOLES THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY TO JUST CONFIRM TESTING.
AND THERE WAS A RESTRICTION FROM THE DEC THAT THERE COULD BE NO RESIDENTIAL.
SO THIS IS REALLY IN LINE WITH WHAT'S THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY HERE.
I KNOW WAY BACK THERE WAS A BIG APARTMENT BUILDING COMPLEX.
THIS IS OBVIOUSLY VERY DIFFERENT THAN THAT.
SO WE FEEL THIS IS A GOOD FIT WITHIN THE
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DEC REGULATORY CONSTRAINTS AND THE KIND OF SPIRIT OF THIS GI LI DISTRICT.SO THAT, THAT CAP IS SIX FEET BELOW THE SURFACE, SIX INCHES, SORRY, 12 INCHES JUST BELOW THE SURFACE.
I CAN LET MARK SPEAK MORE OF THAT.
SO IT'S JUST 12 INCHES BELOW THE SURFACE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU CAN'T INSTALL THE UTILITY LINES.
SO YOU'RE A LITTLE BIT CONSTRAINED WITH THE USE THE SITE INFRASTRUCTURE, USE PORTA POTTIES ON SITE.
WAS THE PROPERTY REGRADED IN CONNECTION WITH PUTTING, I MEAN, I ASSUME IT HAD TO BE.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I KNOW IT WAS FULLY ENTERED INTO THE BCP PROGRAM SUCCESSFULLY CLEANED UP THE C CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION WAS ISSUED.
AND NOW THAT'S THAT BEEN TRANSFERRED TO OUR, TO OUR PPLICANT BECAUSE I, WHEN I WAS WALKING BY AND I COULD LOOK IN THERE, THE ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY IS HIGHER, YOU KNOW, MEANINGFULLY HIGHER THAN THE SIDEWALK, WHICH IS WHY I WAS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ASKING YOU IF, YOU KNOW, IF WHEN THEY PUT THE CAP ON, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY CHANGED THE ELEVATION.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY DESIGNING TO BE AS SAFE AS AS POSSIBLE.
SO OUR ENGINEERS ARE, WOULD LOOK AT ANY ELEVATION, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY, BECAUSE DRASTIC, I, MY QUESTION IS NOT SO MUCH THE SAFETY AS IT IS THE, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, IF IT'S HIGHER UP AND WATER'S FLOWING OFF OF IT.
AND, AND WITH THE CAP, IT DOES HELP.
IT CAN'T REALLY DRAIN NATURALLY.
THAT'S WHY MICHAEL WALKED THROUGH THE, THE STORMWATER.
BUT THAT'S WHY THE, IF THERE IS ELEVATION, IT'LL ACTUALLY HELP FROM THE FLOODPLAIN STANDPOINT BECAUSE THEN IT WOULDN'T GET INTO THE, THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
I THINK YOU WERE GONNA LOOK INTO THESE STREETS, THESE QUOTE PAPER STREETS, THEY'RE ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU WERE GONNA DO TITLE WORK.
WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO MARK, MARK CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
HOW YOU DOING? I'M MARK PETRO FROM JMC AT THIS POINT.
I THINK, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, QUESTIONS BEING THROWN AT MATT, UH, UM, RIGHT NOW.
SO I THINK MAYBE WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, JUST MAYBE ANSWER A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT BE HAD BY THE BOARD.
UM, SO, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE PAPER STREETS, YES.
THERE, THERE WERE PAPER STREETS THAT WERE CONFIRMED BY TITLE REPORT AND IT'S SHOWN ON THE PLANS IN THE REVISED DOCUMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO THE, THE TOWN.
SO WHAT YOU SEE IN THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW IS JUST THE RENDERING OF THE SITE.
UM, YOU MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO SEE IT, BUT BASICALLY THIS WHOLE AREA THAT'S TO THE NORTH HERE, THAT'S STILL PART OF THE SITE THAT WE'RE NOT TOUCHING.
SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS ALL THAT'S PREVIOUSLY DISTURBED AND THAT'S WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS.
BUT EVERYWHERE TO THE NORTH HERE AND NORTH IS TO THE PLAN.
SO THAT'S TO REMAIN AS IS WITH ALL THE VEGETATION ALL AROUND IT.
ALSO HERE ON THE PLAN SOUTH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, ALSO THAT EXISTING VEGETATION IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN.
SO THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN AERIAL REPRESENTATION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BASICALLY FROM ABOVE IS THE ROADWAY, THE INTERIOR ROADWAY THAT GOES AROUND.
DOES THAT HIT ONE OF THE PAPER STREETS? THE, THIS RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
UH, THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, THIS KIND OF NORTH SOUTH THAT I'M DOING, THERE'S A DANFORTH PAPER STREET WHO OWNS ALONG THAT LOCATION THAT, UH, I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH THE TITLE AGENCY ON THAT ONE.
IT'S NEVER BEEN UTILIZED THE STREET.
THAT PAPER STREET, WE JUST GOTTA TALK AT THE, THAT'S A, THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NEVER BEEN UTILIZED AS A PUBLIC STREET.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHO HAS LEGAL TITLE TO IT? AND THEN YOU'RE SAYING, SO IT'S, IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER RETAINS THE OWNERSHIP AND THE TOWN IF, IF DEDICATED WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO INSTALL IMPROVEMENTS OVER IT FOR THE PUBLIC PURPOSE.
BUT UNTIL THAT TIME, UM, IT REMAINS IN THE, GENERALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER'S HANDS THEY ARE.
UM, SO TO GET INTO SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL JUST TAKE A A MOMENT JUST TO ZOOM IN HERE ON THE LAYOUT PLAN.
SO THIS IS THE LAYOUT PLAN HERE, JUST SHOWING A, A DEPICTION OF THE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED HERE.
UM, AND WHAT I HAVE SHOWN HERE ARE JUST THE IMAGES OF THE SIGNS THEMSELVES WITH THE PEDESTRIAN WARNING SYSTEM SHOWN AT EACH, EACH DRIVEWAY LOCATION.
SO THESE SIGNS ARE THE SAME, BOTH THE STOP AND THE NO RIGHT TURN FOR TRUCKS AT BOTH DRIVEWAYS HERE.
SO WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL JUST ZOOM IN A BIT TO ONE OF THESE.
SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, SO HERE YOU HAVE SIGN F, UH, WHICH IS THE CAUTION VEHICLE EXITING SIGN.
AND THAT IS A DOUBLE FACE SIGN.
SO IT'S VISIBLE FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS OF THE SIGN.
IT IS IN THE ORIENTATION OF YOU'RE COMING TO EITHER DIRECTION OF LAWRENCE STREET.
UM, AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE DOWN HERE WITH MY CURSOR IS LIKE THE SENSOR ASSOCIATED WITH THE SIGN.
SO WHEN THE VEHICLE IS DETECTED THERE, THAT LOT, THAT SIGN THAT SAYS COLLECTION VEHICLE EXITING WOULD FLASH IN AN LED.
UH, AND THAT'S POSTED ON A, YOU
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KNOW, A VERTICAL SIGN POST BASICALLY.SO IT WOULD BE VISIBLE TO PEDESTRIANS.
UM, IT IS LOCATED ON OUR PROPERTY, BUT IT IS THERE TO SERVE AS WARNING TO PEDESTRIANS WHEN LEAVING THE SITE.
I KNOW THAT WAS A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WAS MENTIONED BY THE BOARD.
UM, ALSO I SHOWN HERE IN BLUE SIGN A IS A STOP SIGN, BUT ALSO DIRECTIONALLY SHOWING THAT TRUCKS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO TURN RIGHT OUT OF EITHER DRIVEWAY.
SO AGAIN, THESE SIGNS ARE SHOWN AT BOTH LOCATIONS OF OUR DRIVEWAYS.
UH, JUST ZOOMED IN FOR BETTER CLARITY FOR THE BOARD TO SEE.
UM, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RESTROOMS. UH, WE ARE SHOWING A RESTROOM TRAILER HERE, UM, THAT IS TO BE UTILIZED BY THE, UH, EMPLOYEES.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A, A KIND OF A CUT SHEET, THIS IS WHAT IT IS TO BE REPRESENTATIVE AS.
SO BASICALLY IT'S SELF-CONTAINED.
IT HAS A STORAGE TANK ON IT FOR WATER.
IT HAS, UH, WILL BE SERVICED REGULARLY.
I THINK THE ONLY THING POTENTIALLY IT MIGHT NEED WOULD BE POWER.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE SERVICE TO TAKE THE, YOU KNOW, DISCHARGE I GUESS I'LL SAY OR UH, YOU KNOW, UH, BAD WATER AND PUT IN NEW WATER KIND OF THING.
SO, UH, THIS WOULD BE A SELF-CONTAINED TRAILER.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE SHOW IT ON THE LAYOUT PLAN HERE.
UM, AND THEN AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE THAT WE DO SHOW THE LIGHTING POLE LOCATIONS ON THIS PLAN.
BUT WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL JUST SHOW YOU THE LIGHTING PLAN ITSELF.
SO THIS IS THE PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN OUR SITE, UH, SUBMISSION.
UM, AS WAS MENTIONED, THE FIXTURES ARE DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
UH, THE, THE LIGHTS ARE MOUNTED AT 14 FOOT HEIGHT, UH, WHICH IS CODE COMPLIANT.
UM, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE'S KIND OF SO MANY OF THE LIGHTS OVER THERE.
IF THERE WERE TALLER POLES WE'D BE ABLE TO LIGHT UP MORE AREA.
BUT WE LEFT IT AT 14 TO BE A CODE COMPLIANT.
UH, THERE'S THREE CONFIGURATIONS OF LIGHTS.
SO YOU HAVE UP HERE, TYPE CS THAT ARE LOW LOCATED AT, ADJACENT TO THE TRAILWAY.
UH, THOSE HAVE CUTOFFS AND ARE FORWARD THROWS.
SO THE LIGHT'S GONNA BE PUSHED FORWARD FROM THOSE LIGHT POLE LOCATIONS THERE.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE, UH, FIXTURES B WHICH ARE NOT CUTOFF, BUT THEY ARE ALSO DO HAVE THE FORWARD THROWS.
SO THIS IS TO LIGHT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA AND SOME OF THE, THE, UH, CIRCULATION AREAS ON THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN WE HAVE, UH, FIXTURES A HERE, WHICH ARE THE DOUBLE ARMED, UH, LIGHTS TO PROVIDE LIGHT ON BOTH THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, BUT ALSO THE CIRCULATION AND PARKING AREAS, UH, FOR THE SITE THERE.
SO AGAIN, UM, CODE COMPLIANT LIGHTS, THREE DIFFERENT LIGHTS, DARK SKY COMPLIANT.
UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, OH SORRY.
JUST REGARDING THE LIGHTING, UH, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, WILL THERE BE SEPARATE SECURITY LIGHTING OR IS ALL THAT LIGHTING GONNA BE REMAIN ON, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE OVERNIGHT HOURS? UH, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER WHETHER IT IT IS DIMMED DOWN AT NIGHT OR WHETHER OR NOT 50% OF THEM TURN OFF AT NIGHTTIME.
SO DURING, DURING NON OPERATION HOURS THEY GO DOWN TO EITHER 50% OF THE LIGHTS BEING DONE OR DIM DIMMED.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER.
UM, AND THIS IS JUST A CUT SHEET OF THE LIGHT ITSELF, UH, JUST SO THE BOARD IS AWARE AND CAN SEE IT.
UM, GOING BACK TO THE LIGHT THAT'S ON THE SENSOR WHEN YOU LEAVE TO TELL PEDESTRIANS THAT THERE'S, UH, TRUCKS EXITING.
IS THAT FLASHING OR IS THAT JUST LIT UP IN SENSOR? THE SIGN ITSELF IS FLASHING.
THE SENSOR IS JUST A STATIONARY OBJECT THAT IS POSTED ON A SMALL LITTLE, UH, POST TO JUST DETECTIVE VEHICLES ARE THERE.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE SOME, SOMETHING LIKE A MOTION SENSOR YOU WOULD SEE HERE.
AND FOR SECURITY PURPOSES IN A HOUSE, YEAH, A FLASHING SIGN, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY IS PERMITTED UNDER THE SIGN CODE.
SO YOU MIGHT NEED A VARIANCE FOR THAT.
FLASHING SIGNS SPECIFIC, EVEN IF IT'S TRAFFIC CONTROL RELATED.
WHAT ABOUT A WARNING PEDESTRIAN SIGNAL SIGN THAT MIGHT HAVE FLASHING LIGHTS ON IT? I WOULD TAKE IT UP WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BUT I JUST RECALL THAT FLASHING SIGNS WEREN'T PERMITTED UNDER THE SIGN CODE.
DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A CUT SHEET ON THAT FLASHING LIGHT? THAT IS WHAT THE LIGHT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT'S WHAT THE SIGN LOOKS LIKE.
ACTUALLY I HAVE IT CALLED OUT ON THE LAYOUT PLAN, SORRY, 18 BY 14.
SO THAT SIZE IS LOCATED ON THE LAYOUT PLAN.
UM, WE'LL HAVE OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, REVIEW MM-HMM
UM, SO IN RELATED TO THE LIGHTS, JUST WANTED TO
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GIVE THE BOARD A FRAME OF REFERENCE, UM, ON THIS.AND HOPEFULLY IT LOADS UP 'CAUSE JUST IT'S AN AERIAL.
BUT, UM, WHAT WE DID WAS TAKE THE RENDERING THAT, UH, YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY.
AND WHAT WE DID IS WE, UH, PROVIDED SOME DIMENSIONS TO THE CLOSEST PROXIMITY OF RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS HERE.
SO AGAIN, NORTH IS, IS TO THE RIGHT PLAN, RIGHT? AND YOU HAVE A RESIDENCE HERE, WHICH IS ABOUT 736 FEET AWAY.
AND AGAIN, WE DID IT FROM THE FURTHEST DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF THE SITE.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY NOT EVEN THE LIGHT, BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ROADWAY PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, BEING 736 FEET AWAY AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE VEGETATION AND, AND EVERYTHING BETWEEN THOSE TWO LOCATIONS.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE OTHER DIMENSION HERE FROM THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS WOULD BE BASICALLY AT THE LOCATION OF A PARKING SPOT, UM, BEING 468 FEET TO, THAT'S THE DANFORTH SQUARE, I BELIEVE IS THE NAME OF THE DEVELOPMENT OVER THERE.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S HEAVY VEGETATION BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE, AND THE PARKWAY.
SO AGAIN, A GOOD DISTANCE, NATURAL VEGETATION BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND, AND THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS.
UH, JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE, AWARE OF THAT, UH, 'CAUSE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING AS FAR AS PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTS.
UM, SO ALSO, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE, UH, FLOODPLAIN.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A COMMENT, UH, VIA EMAIL ABOUT THE, UH, AMOUNT OF, UH, CUT AND FILLS ASSOCIATED WITH IN THE FLOODPLAIN ON THE PROPERTY.
SO TO GIVE THE BOARD AN ESTIMATE, THERE IS AN APPROXIMATELY A NET OF 2000 CUBIC YARDS OF CUT WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO THERE IS NO DISPLACEMENT OF FLOOD STORAGE IN THAT FLOODPLAIN AREA, UH, AS PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO THAT, UH, WANTED TO MAKE AND ADDRESS THAT COMMENT AS WELL.
UM, AND THERE ARE NO PROPOSED FEATURES WITHIN THE FLOODWAY.
AND SO I BROUGHT UP THIS AERIAL HERE WAS SUPER-IMPOSED.
THE FLOODWAY SHOWN IN BLUE LINES HERE.
UM, SO THERE'S NO FEATURES, UH, PROPOSED WITHIN THE FLOODWAY AND THE FLOODWAY AND THE FLOODPLAIN ARE DIFFERENT.
UH, SO FLOODWAY IS MORE OF THE NATURAL STREAM KIND OF BED AND PLAIN INCLUDES THE FLOODWAY FRINGE.
SO IT GOES BEYOND THE FLOODWAY.
SO THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLANE GOES A LITTLE BEYOND THAT BLUE LINE THAT'S THERE.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
SO THERE'S NO FLOODWAY ENCROACHMENT ON THE PROPOSED FEATURES, BUT ALSO THE FEMA MAPS IN THIS AREA HAVE A FLOOD ELEVATION, A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION OF 124.
SO 1 24 IS THE FLOOD ELEVATION IN THIS LOCATION.
SO WHAT I HAVE UP RIGHT NOW IS THE GRADING PLAN.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD ELEVATION OF 1 24, THE ONLY AREA OF POTENTIAL FLOODING DURING THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM WOULD BE THIS AREA RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS VERY LIMITED TO THE SITE LOCATION.
HERE YOU SEE THE 1 24 CONTOUR, WHICH I'M HIGHLIGHTING, UH, WITH MY CURSOR IS THIS LOWER CORNER OF THE SITE ONLY.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER AREAS, YOU HAVE 1 26, 1 28.
SO AGAIN, NO FLOODING WOULD BE OCCURRING TO THE HUNDRED YEAR ON THE PROPERTY.
OUTSIDE OF THIS MINOR SMALL LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY HERE, WHICH IS GENERALLY OUTSIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA OF STORAGE AND SUCH, IS THERE A FLOOD ELEVATION FOR A 500 YEAR STORM EVENT? NOT THAT'S GIVEN, UM, BUT THOSE LINES ARE DEPICTED ON HERE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT.
THIS RIGHT HERE IS THE 500 YEAR, UH, LINE AND THEN THIS UNDERNEATH IT IS THE HUN HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN.
UM, AND THEY MEANDER THROUGH, BUT BASICALLY, UH, THEY COME OFF AROUND HERE AND THEN THEY, THEY SWOOP BACK IN AROUND HERE.
BUT I WILL NOTE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THESE FLOOD FEMA MAPS AND SUCH, THESE MAPS AND ELEVATIONS THAT THEY SHOW ON THERE AS ACTUALLY THE, THE LINES THAT THEY SHOW FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAINS, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DRAWN AT SUCH A LARGE SCALE.
UM, SO IT'S NOT ENTIRELY WHEN YOU LOOK CLOSER AT THIS AND GET SURVEY DATA OF THE ELEVATIONS, THAT'S MORE FINITE AND BETTER REPRESENTATION THAN WHAT THE LINES THAT I'M KIND OF SHOWING YOU ON HERE.
AS FAR AS THE A HUNDRED YEAR AND 500 YEAR, THERE'S ACTUALLY EVEN A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH FEMA TO REFINE THE LINES BASED ON, YOU KNOW, ACCURATE TOPO THAT'S PROVIDED BY SURVEY.
BECAUSE TYPICALLY THESE MAPS ARE DONE AT WAY BACK, ZOOMED OUT WAY FAR BASICALLY IN ORDER TO, SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO ACTUALLY REFINE THE MAP TO ACCURATELY DEPICT THE LINE BASED ON THE ELEVATION THAT THE FEMA HAS PROVIDED IN THEIR MAPS.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR THIS PARTICULAR MATTER.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY OR
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ANYTHING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.BUT I DO WANT TO JUST NOTE THAT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE FLOOD ELEVATION FOR A HUNDRED YEAR WOULD JUST BE IN THIS AREA HERE.
UM, SO THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THE FLOOD, UH, ELEVATIONS FLOOD PROGRAM.
UH, THERE IS, UM, I HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING REALLY RELATED TO FLOOD PLAIN WETLANDS.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE STATE DID COME BACK AND SAYING THERE'S REGULAR WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITH THE STATE, UM, ON THAT ASPECT OF IT.
SO, UM, THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT.
THEY DID, WE DID DO A, A JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION REQUEST AND THEY CAME BACK SAYING THAT THERE IS WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY, UM,
SO WE ARE PROPOSING, AS WAS NOTED, UH, POROUS ASPHALT PAVEMENT, OR SORRY, POROUS PAVEMENT, UM, FOR ALL THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AREAS, THE PARKING AREAS, AND EVEN JUST THE SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO THE STORAGE, UH, AREA.
UM, AND THEN THE OUTDOOR STORAGE IS TO BE GRAVEL, SIMILAR TO LIKE WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST TO STORE THE MATERIALS.
SO BASICALLY WE DID DO PRELIMINARY STORMWATER ANALYSIS, UH, BASED ON THE NUMBERS INCORPORATING THESE SURFACES AND WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE THESE AREAS, THESE MATERIALS ARE, SO THEY ALLOW THE PERMEABILITY OF WATER TO GO STRAIGHT DOWN.
THERE'S NO REAL SHEET FLOW THAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY SEE WITH TYPICAL PAVEMENT CONDITIONS WHERE YOU WOULD TRY TO SHEET FLOW IT TO A CATCH BASIN OR ANYTHING, THEY WOULD JUST PERMEATE DOWN THROUGH THE MATERIALS.
UM, AND THE FLOWS, UM, ARE ACCOMMODATED BASED ON THOSE MATERIALS.
UM, AGAIN, THESE PRACTICE, THESE PRACTICES, UH, ARE BASED ON THE LATEST N-Y-S-D-D-E-C DESIGN MANUAL.
UM, AND THEN ALSO FOR WATER TREATMENT WE'RE PROPOSING THE DRY, THE GRASS DRIED SWALE.
SO THERE IS SIX INCH UNDER DRAINS WE HAVE SHOWN, UH, WHICH ARE GENERALLY ALONG THE, THE TRAILWAY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S A COUPLE ROWS OF IT, UM, SIX INCH UNDER DRAINS TO CONVEY SOME OF THE STORMWATER TO THE SWALE TO ALLOW THE TREATMENT OF THE STORMWATER AGAIN TO FOLLOW THE DES UH, DESIGN MANUAL FOR THE TREATMENT OF THE STORMWATER.
JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF THAT, THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW BY THE TOWN ENGINEER.
THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE TOWN ENGINEER YET.
SO AS SOON AS WE DO SWELLS ON THE SYSTEM, JUST THE DESIGN OF THE SYSTEM THEY HAVE DESIGNED.
SO ONCE WE DO, WE'LL PASS THAT ALONG TO THE APPLICANT, BUT ALSO TO THE BOARD.
UM, AND THEN THE SURFACES, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION ABOUT IMPERVIOUS SERVICES AND STUFF.
SO, UM, AS WAS NOTED, EVEN JUST FOR THE PRIOR APPLICATION, SO, UH, CURRENTLY THE SITE HAS THE GRAVEL SURFACE, AGAIN, JUST BY CLASSIFICATION IT'S CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS BEING GRAVEL.
UM, AND UNDER PROPOSED CONDITIONS WE'RE HAVING GRAVEL AGAIN, UH, WITH OUTDOOR STORAGE.
BUT WE ARE HAVING THE POROUS PAVEMENT, WHICH AGAIN ALSO CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.
UH, JUST EVEN THOUGH THEY PERMEATE STORM STORMWATER THROUGH, THEY'RE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU COMPARE THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED SURFACE CONDITIONS, THE PROJECT ACTUALLY IS A REDUCTION AND IMPERVIOUS OF 6,885 SQUARE FEET.
'CAUSE WE ARE PROVIDING LANDSCAPED AREAS, WE'RE PROVIDING SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS, UH, ALONG THE AREAS, TRAILWAY ALONG LAUREN STREET AND SUCH.
SO THERE IS A REDUCTION IN IMPERVIOUS SERVICES IF YOU BASE IT ON THE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY DEC FOR THOSE DIFFERENT SERVICES.
REGARDING THE PERVIOUS SURFACES, UM, THAT ARE PROPOSED, IS THERE, UH, IS IT LIKE A PERVIOUS ASPHALT OR POROUS ASPHALT SURFACE? THAT'S THE INTENTION.
WE WOULD WANT, UM, THE MAINTENANCE, UM, PLAN OR AGREEMENT SURE.
ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, PROVIDED BOTH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IN THE SWIFT ANYWAY PERMIT.
BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD OR ULTIMATELY I GUESS POTENTIALLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT, POTENTIALLY IN CONNECTION WITH THE SITE PLAN THROUGH THE TOWN BOARD, THERE MAY BE CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE BECAUSE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS TOWN HASN'T GONE THE ROUTE OF GIVING CREDIT OR SOMETHING ELSE, UH, FOR POROUS SURFACES IS BECAUSE OF THE MAINTENANCE OBLIGATION.
AND IF THOSE SURFACES AREN'T MAINTAINED, THEY EFFECTIVELY GET CLOGGED AND THEN DON'T FUNCTION AS, AS WELL, AT LEAST AS THEY WERE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED.
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UH, THAT'S BASICALLY FOR THE DRAINAGE DESIGN.I KNOW, AND I'LL JUST TOUCH UPON THIS, BASICALLY, UH, THERE WAS THE COMMENT LETTER FROM KIMBERLY HORN, UH, DISCUSSING THE WB 50.
UM, SO I JUST WANT TO ACTUALLY BRING UP JUST A HISTORICAL AERIAL.
UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY FROM JULY 4TH, 2007.
UH, SO YOU HAVE THIS SITE HERE, WHICH SHOWS IT IN ITS PRIOR STATE BEFORE SOIL REMEDIATION.
SO YOU HAVE ALL THE BUILDINGS, THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS.
UH, WE'RE NOT GOING UP TO THIS LOCATION AT ALL.
UM, JUST SO THE BOARD'S AWARE.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT CONDITIONS WERE LIKE ON THE SITE PREVIOUSLY, BUILDINGS, IMPERVIOUS, ASPHALT AND AND SUCH ON THERE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WE'LL WANNA JUST MAKE NOTE 'CAUSE UH, I KNOW THERE WAS A CONCERN, UH, AT LEAST A COMMENT FROM KIMBERLY HORNE ABOUT THE TURNING OF A WB 50 TRUCK.
SO IT WAS JUST VERY INTERESTING TO SEE ALL THESE TRUCKS DOWN HERE AT THIS, UH, PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE HERE OF LAUREN STREET.
UH, SO THEY OBVIOUSLY WERE NOT COMING FROM THE SUMMER RIVER PARKWAY, SO THEY MUST HAVE BEEN COMING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION OF LAUREN STREET AND ROUTE NINE A IN ORDER TO ACCESS THAT SITE.
UM, THE OTHER THING I WILL NOTE IS THERE IS CURRENTLY A FOOD SERVICE, UH, TENANT IN THE CURRENT BUILDING.
I THINK THAT'S TWO LAWRENCE STREET ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF LAWRENCE.
UM, SO, UH, IT'S IN, I BELIEVE THEY GET LARGE TRUCK DELIVERIES TOO.
I'M NOT SURE I'VE SEEN LIKE OVERSIZED BOX TRUCKS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY A WP 50.
UM, AND THAT SITE HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT SINCE 2007 AS WELL.
THERE WAS A SIGN THERE THAT SAID SPORT TIME IN THAT BUILDING.
IT HASN'T
UM, BUT AGAIN, I WAS JUST BRINGING THIS UP FOR, YOU KNOW, HISTORY AND FOR REFERENCE BASICALLY.
BUT THE, THE COMMENT AS IT RELATES TO FROM YOUR CONSULTANT, WE, WE'D BE OPEN TO JUST HAVING AN OFFLINE DISCUSSION AND, AND TO DISCUSS OPTIONS BASICALLY REGARDING HIS COMMENT.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE WERE HOPEFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ASPECTS OF ADDRESSING THAT COMMENT COULD BE INCLUDED AS CONDITIONS IN THE REFERRAL TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT YOUR BOARD WOULD BE PROVIDING.
UM, YEAH, WE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO SPEAK WITH MR. CANNING OFFLINE, BUT MR. CANNING, SINCE YOU'RE HERE, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD, UH, RIGHT NOW? OKAY, SURE.
UM, AS MARK INDICATED, THE CONDITION AT LAWRENCE STREET WITH SONA RIVER ROAD HAS EXISTED FOR SOME TIME.
UH, HOWEVER, UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE SIDELINE ISSUE BE LOOKED AT AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, AND I'LL WORK OFFLINE WITH THAT, UM, WITH MR. PETRO FOR THAT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THERE'S ADEQUATE SIDELINES TO SEE VEHICLES APPROACHING.
UM, I I WOULD ALSO REFER THE BOARD TO OUR SEPTEMBER 25TH MEMORANDUM, UM, WHERE WE NOTED THAT THERE WERE SOME TRAFFIC CONDITIONS ON THE SUMMER RIVER PARKWAY.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE ARE REFLECTIVE OF ACTUAL CONDITIONS.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE PROJECT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, IT JUST MEANS THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS BETTER CONDITIONS AND DELAYS ON THE PARKWAY THAN ACTUALLY EXIST AT THAT LOCATION.
UM, WE DID IN THAT MEMORANDUM HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT UNDERTAKE A SURVEY OF LAWRENCE STREET, UH, FROM THE SOUTH COUNTY TRAIL CROSSWALK EAST FOR A DISTANCE OF ABOUT 300, 320 FEET TO DETERMINE WHETHER IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO WIDEN LAWRENCE STREET TO PROVIDE TWO WESTBOUND LANES AT THAT LOCATION BECAUSE, UM, LAWRENCE STREET DOES EXPERIENCE EXTENSIVE QUEUING AND CARS HAVE BEEN SEEN TO TRAVEL ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD TO MAKE THE LIGHT.
UM, MARK INDICATED, AND I'VE REVIEWED THE NEW SITE LAB, UM, THAT THERE ARE CURRENT RESTRICTIONS AT THE DRIVEWAY.
I WOULD STILL SUGGEST YOU CONSIDER WHETHER OR AT LEAST HAVE MARK JUSTIFIED THE NEED TO HAVE A LEFT TURN OUT OF THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE QUEUING DOES COME ACROSS THAT DRIVEWAY.
SO AT PEAK HOURS, IF YOU WERE MAKING A LEFT, YOU'D HAVE TO PROBABLY CUT ACROSS QUEUED TRAFFIC.
UM, WITH REGARD TO THE FLASHING SIGN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FLASHING SIGN, FRANKLY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUES AND CODE ISSUES.
IF IT'S NOT FLASHING, I THINK IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE BLACK ON YELLOW, NOT BLACK ON WHITE BECAUSE IT'S A CAUTIONARY SIGN, NOT A REGULATORY SIGN.
AND FINALLY, UM, IN REVIEWING THE SIDE PANEL, IT APPEARS THAT THE SIDEWALK THAT'S PROVIDED ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT 30 FEET SHORT OF REPAIRING THE BROKEN SIDEWALK THAT JUST CONNECTS TO THE BRIDGE OVER THE SELMA RIVER PARKWAY.
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SOMEBODY, MAYBE THE STATE, OR MAYBE THE COUNTY CAME ALONG RECENTLY AND PUT IN NEW CONCRETE SIDEWALKS FOR THE BUS STOPS AT THE CORNER OF SOUTHERN RIVER ROAD ON LAWRENCE STREET.AND THE ONE THAT'S ON THE WEST SIDE, THEY TURNED THE CORNER AND CONNECTED IT TO THE SIDEWALK THAT'S ON THE BRIDGE.
BUT THERE'S ABOUT A 30 FOOT SECTION OF SIDEWALK ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE BRIDGE THAT I THINK IS IN DISREPAIR.
SO IF YOU JUST EXTEND THE SIDEWALK THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING ALONG MOST OF THE REST OF THE FRONTAGE BY ANOTHER 30 FEET, YOU WOULD REPAIR THAT.
WOULD UH, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO EXTENDING THE SIDEWALK THAT 30 FEET? UH, LET ME TALK WITH THE ENGINEER AND THE APPLICANTS ON THAT AND THEN JOHN, WE'LL, WE'LL COORDINATE A CALL AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PRODUCTIVE ITEMS YOU MENTIONED AND, AND GET MOVING ON THOSE.
UH, JUST FOR THE BOARD'S, UH, CLARIFICATION, UH, I KNOW THAT LAST TIME IT WAS DISCUSSED TO LOOK AT REPLACING THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
JUST WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW THAT IT IS SHOWN ON THE PLANS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE OVER THERE ON LAUREN STREET.
JUST AS A SEPARATE NOTE TO WHAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED, GREAT.
BUT NOT EXTENDING TO WHERE MR. CANNING, WHICH SUGGESTED WHICH.
SO YOU DON'T LOOK INTO WHICH WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK INTO.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, MR. WEINBERG? SO THERE'S, GOING BACK TO THE, UH, REMEDIATION AND THE CAP AND THE ELEVATION, UM, WHAT, WHAT WAS DONE THAT CHANGED, WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WAS MORE FILL PUT IN AS PART OF THE REMEDIATION.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE THROUGH THE MATERIAL, WHICH MEANS I ASSUME SOIL NOW YOU'RE GONNA BE, THERE'S A BARRIER SIX INCH SIX SIX INCHES BELOW THE SURFACE, RIGHT? 12 INCH, IT'S, IT'S A 12 INCH GRAVEL CAP.
THERE WAS ANOTHER ENGINEER THAT WAS INVOLVED DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP ASPECT OF IT.
WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM ON THOSE SPECIFICS, BUT WE DID NOT DO THAT SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CLEANUP AND DOES, BUT DOESN'T THE FACT THAT THERE'S A CAP THERE IMPEDE DRAIN NATURAL DRAINAGE.
SO THEY, IT'S CALLED A CAP, BUT IT'S JUST GRAVEL.
UM, IS MY UNDERSTANDING IN SPEAKING WITH THE ENGINEER, WELL I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT IN MY LIMITED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ENGINEERING BUREAU, UM, YES.
SO HAVING THE CAPTOR DOES TEND TO LIMIT WHAT FEATURES CAN BE IMPLEMENTED FOR STORMWATER PREVENTION.
UM, BUT WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED MAY WORK, HOWEVER, WE NEED BUREAU OF ENGINEERING TO REVIEW IT.
AND THE SWELL THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, MENTION IN THE PLANS THAT'S HEADING TOWARDS THE TRAILWAY.
UH, LOOKING AT THE, THE PLAN ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, UM, IT STARTS ON THE NORTHERN END OR THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND TRAVELS ALONG THE DEVELOPMENT AREA FROM THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA DOWN ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA.
AND THEN DOES EXIT INTO, UH, THE RIVER AT, AT WHICH, AND THE RIVER'S ON THE, ON THE E EASTERN SIDE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ALONG, UH, NEAR THE RIVER ROADSIDE.
SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE STORM WATER IS, YOU KNOW, OR DRAINAGE IS GOING TO, IT'S GOING INTO THE RIVER.
THE TREATED STORM WATER WOULD BE GOING INTO THE RIVER.
ALL THE OTHER WOULD BE IN INFILTRATING INTO THE GROUND THROUGH THE GRAVEL AND THE POROUS ASPHALT AND POR IS THERE A PERMIT TO, TO, TO DRAIN INTO THE, INTO A, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME THAT'S A PROTECTED BODY OF WATER, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE IN THE WETLANDS REVIEW BASICALLY.
'CAUSE WE WERE IN THE WETLANDS AS WELL OVER THERE.
UM, SO YES, THERE, THERE WOULD BE A PERMIT ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH THE STATE REVIEW.
THAT'S DEC, THE THE, THE WETLANDS? NO, NO.
TO, TO DRAIN INTO, TO, TO DRAIN INTO THE RIVER.
I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT WITH YOU.
IS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT LOOKING AT THAT TOO, AMANDA? MM-HMM.
AND AARON, ABOUT WHAT PERMITS WOULD BE REQUIRED? THE DRAIN SWAIL DRAINING INTO THE RIVER.
IS THAT PART OF THE STORM WATER? THEY'LL LOOK AT THAT.
I NOTICED WHEN I WAS THERE TODAY, THERE'S LIKE SEVERAL FOR SALE SIGNS ON THE FENCE.
ARE THOSE JUST HISTORICAL OLD ONES OR NO? IS IT IT'S CURRENTLY ON THE MARKET, YES.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY IT?
IF YOU COULD SPEAK AT THE MICROPHONE IT IT'D BE APPRECIATED.
HE'S BROKERING SOME DEALS HERE.
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WHEN, WHEN WE UH, PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, WE WERE TOLD WE COULD USE THE PROPERTY THE FOLLOWING DAY BY PEOPLE IN THIS BUILDING.UM, THE TAXES HAVEN'T STOPPED, UH, GETTING PAID OR THE BILLS HAVEN'T STOPPED COMING IN SINCE.
UM, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL BREAK-INS AND WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, SOME POLICE REPORTS TOMORROW FOR THE FIRST TIME.
UH, WE'VE TRIED TO GET, UH, SECURITY CAMERAS ON THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE BREAKING THESE LOCKS AND CUTTING UP THESE LOCKS.
BUT YOU'LL SEE THEM WHEN YOU GO BY THERE LAYING ON THE FLOOR.
CAN UH, CAN YOU THE BOARD RECOMMEND UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO GIVE US TEMPORARY POWER SO WE CAN SET UP SOME SECURITY CAMERAS SO WE CAN TRY TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE? SOMETHING THAT, UH, OUR OFFICE, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT CAN SPEAK WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
SO WE'LL WAIT FOR YOU TO COME BACK TO US OR WE SHOULD SEND AN EMAIL OR WHAT SHOULD WE DO IF YOU COULD, YEAH, JUST FOLLOWING UP.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL SEND AN EMAIL WITH, UH, THE POLICE REPORT.
BUT SO IF THE LOT, IF THE LOT'S ON THE MARKET, WOULD THE INTENTION BE TO SELL IT TO SOMEONE WHO WOULD USE IT AS AS PROPOSED OR COULD THEY DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED WITH IT WITHIN THE, THE CODE? UH, IF THEY WERE TO ACQUIRE IT WHEN, UM, I CAME HERE SEVERAL TIMES TO THIS BUILDING, UM, YOUR OFFICIALS GAVE ME ABOUT 75 PAGES OF AS OF RIGHT USAGE FOR THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO USE IT FOR RIGHT NOW.
UH, WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT UM, WE DON'T WANNA REALLY ENGAGE ANYBODY INTO ANYTHING TILL WE ACTUALLY ARE ALLOWED TO USE THIS PROPERTY, UM, FOR OUR OWN USAGE, UM, WHICH WE BELIEVE WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
AND IF HYPOTHETICALLY ANY OWNERSHIP WERE TO TRANSFER THIS SITE PLAN WITH ALL THE REPRESENTATIONS AROUND THE USE OF A CONTRACTOR STORE? YEAH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING APPROVED FOR THE USES.
BUT, BUT SO YOU'RE MARKETING IT AS A, AS A CONTRACTOR STORAGE IT WOULD BE AS DESCRIBED IN THIS PLAN AND ANY POTENTIAL, ANOTHER OWNER WHO WOULD WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WOULD HAVE TO GET AMENDED SITE PLAN AND COME BACK BEFORE THESE BOARDS.
HOWEVER, AS YOU ALL KNOW, LAND USE REGULATES THE USE, NOT THE USER NECESSARILY.
SO THIS WOULD BE GETTING APPROVED FOR THIS USE POTENTIALLY FOR THE APPLICANT'S OWN SCAFFOLDING COMPANY OR IF ANOTHER USER OR RENTABLE SPACE UNDER THAT SAME USE OF CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD AND MOTOR VEHICLE STORAGE.
UM, AND AARON YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE DIMMABLE LIGHTS.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT'S WOULD BE OKAY WITH OFF HOURS DIMMABLE LIGHTS AND, YOU KNOW, WOULD WELCOME THAT IN ANY RECOMMENDATION.
ALRIGHT MR. WEINBERG, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO FLASHING, YOU KNOW, NO RIGHT TURN SIGNS, I ASSUME SIMILAR TO STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, A MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, REQUIREMENT CONDITION THAT, YOU KNOW AS THEY NEED TO BE REPAIRED THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING THAT.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA LAST FOREVER OBVIOUSLY.
YOU MEAN THE RIGHT TURN? THE MANUALS? YEAH.
NO RIGHT TURN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT ON, I THINK THOSE WOULD BE MANUAL SIGNS.
HUH? SO I MEAN IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE NOT FLASHING SIGNS, THE NO RIGHT TURNS ARE NOT FLASHING SIGNS.
THE ONLY FLASHING SIGN IS THE PEDESTRIAN WARNING SIGN.
THE NO RIGHT TURN SIGN IS A STANDARD M-U-T-C-D SIGN.
UM, JUST A REGULAR SIGN PANEL.
AND THEN, BUT, BUT THAT ONE SHOULD BE MAINTAINED, YES, THAT THEY'RE LOCATED ON OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE ON US TO MAINTAIN THOSE.
ANY ELECTRONIC SIGNS A BULB GOES OUT OR A MOTHER BOARD FAILS, IT WOULD BE REPLACED AND WE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE WILLING TO ADVISE THAT THAT'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
IS THAT ANY, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY SIGNS AND TECHNOLOGIES WOULD NEED TO BE MAINTAINED TO MARKET STANDARD? INDUSTRY STANDARD? MM-HMM
ARE YOU GONNA REFE THE WHOLE PROPERTIES? YES.
IT LOOKS AESTHETICALLY BETTER FENCE, BETTER FENCE AND LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S WHY WE THINK THIS IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AARON? UM, I WAS EXPLAINING TO YOU EARLIER, I WASN'T IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS.
I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE STORAGE CONTRACT AND STORAGE, BUT AS FAR AS THE TRUCKS, UH, STORING TRUCKS AND SO IT'S, SORRY, COULD YOU, IT'S OUTDOOR VEHICLE STORAGE IS THE USE.
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THAT WANTS TO STORE EXTRA CARDS THAT CARS THAT BARELY TOUCHES IT COULD USE IT.OR FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE A RIDER TRUCK LIKE STORAGE, YOU KNOW, MOVING COMPANY.
THEY STORE SOME OF THE RIDER TRUCKS THERE AND THEN INTERMITTENTLY WOULD COME AND BRING THE TRUCK TO ANOTHER LOCATION TO BE SOLD TO A CUSTOMER.
SO IT'S NOT ANTICIPATED THAT ANY CUSTOMERS OR NORMAL RESIDENTS WOULD COME TO THIS SITE AND ENGAGE IN COMMERCE AT THE SITE.
IT WOULD BE KIND OF A MORE PASSIVE COMMERCIAL STORAGE USE AS WELL AS A MORE, UH, LESS PASSIVE, BUT, BUT A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD WHERE THINGS ARE GOING IN AND OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION SITES THROUGHOUT THE NORTHEAST OR THE CITY.
SO IF A DEALERSHIP'S USING IT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE BIG TRACTORS WITH THE CARS ON IT TO DROP OFF VEHICLES, RIGHT? IS THAT THE DB FIFTIES? UH, THEY WOULD BE, UH, TO DROP IT OFF WHATEVER THEY WOULD USE.
BUT THEN IT WOULD BE NORMAL, YOU KNOW, CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE STORED ON IT.
I I GUESS YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE AN ON OFFLINE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT RADIUS? YES.
THAT'S A CONVERSATION WITH JOHN CANNON.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING.
I BELIEVE WE'VE MARKED SOME OF THE LESS THAN THE WB FIFTIES AND THOSE SEEM TO BE FINE, BUT JOHN MENTIONED SOME ISSUE WITH THE WB 50 COMING IN ON A CERTAIN, ON THE NORTHBOUND ON ON A AND THE SITE DISTANCE WILL HAVE OUR ENGINEERS COORDINATE WITH HIM ON, ON THAT.
AND ANY OPTIONS, OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT AS, YOU KNOW, AS OPEN AND REASONABLY OPEN AS POSSIBLE.
BUT OBVIOUSLY WE ARE REASONABLE IN TERMS OF WHAT MAKES SENSE.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE OF THOSE PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS FIRST.
LAWRENCE STREET IS REALLY NARROW FOR THAT TIME.
UM, I WILL SAY, AND I KNOW, AND I, WHEN I WAS ON THE SIDE I DID SEE A, A BIG TRAILER DISTRIBUTION, LIKE A DIS A COCA-COLA SIGN DISTRIBUTION ON THE OTHER SIDE.
BUT WE OBVIOUSLY WANNA WORK WITH JOHN ON WHAT MAKES SENSE AND ANY POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS NOT JUST POINTING OUT POTENTIAL ISSUES, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT ANY POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS IN THAT AREA.
UH, DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY MADONNA.
ONE, I WAS ABLE TO LOOK AT THE CODE AND THE SIGN FURTHER.
UH, THE FLASHING SIGN, IT MAY QUALIFY UNDER AN EXEMPTION, BUT I WOULD JUST ASK IF YOU COULD SIMPLIFY, LIKE PROVIDE THE DETAILS ON THAT, SIGN THE LOCATION AND I CAN FORWARD THAT TO THE BUILDING TO GET A RESPONSE FOR THE BOARD.
UM, WHETHER IT QUALIFIES AN EXEMPTION, YOU CAN FUNNEL IT THROUGH OUR OFFICE OR CDC.
AND THEN SECONDLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY THAT YOU'D BE ABLE TO GET TEMPORARY PERMITTING FOR INSTALLATION OF LIGHTING, BUT YOU MAY POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO HAVE A GENERATOR FOR, UM, LIGHTING YOU CAN BRING ONTO THE SITE AND OR CAMERAS FOR POWER.
WE'LL SEND THAT EMAIL MORE FORMAL.
WHAT THE ASK IS, AND AGAIN, THANK YOU AMANDA FOR LOOKING UP THE, YOU IT, THANK YOU.
WE WANTED THE, WE WANTED THE FLASHING BECAUSE WE KNOW THE PEDESTRIAN ISSUE WHERE PEOPLE ARE PEDESTRIANS ARE WALKING.
WE WANT TO BE AS CLEAR WITH THAT, STILL BEING RESPECTFUL THAT IT IS THIS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CONSTRAINTS AND THIS IS WHAT'S KIND OF IN THE SPIRIT OF THAT ZONING HERE.
SO YOU STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE AND YES.
NOT CASTING LIGHT ONTO, UH, OTHER PROPERTIES.
DARK SKY COMPLYING AND THERE'S A NOISE ORDINANCE IN THE TOWN THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE CERTAIN DECIBELS OF CERTAIN HOURS.
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO AUTOMATICALLY LIKE ANY OWNER COMPLY WITH THOSE ORDINANCES.
I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE TYPE OF MATERIALS POST FOR STORAGE.
ARE THERE ANY PARTICULATES LIKE, UH, SAND OR GRAVEL OR ANY KIND OF OTHER MATERIAL LIKE THAT THAT COULD BE WASHED AWAY IN A RAINSTORM PROPOSED RESTORED IN THAT AREA? NO, IT'S NOT PROPOSED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? JUST ONE.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION, MR. WINDER.
IS THERE A, LIKE A FORMER LOADING DOCK, CONCRETE LOADING DOCK NEAR THE TRAILWAY THAT'S PART OF YOUR PROPERTY THAT'S GONNA GET REMOVED? OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE WHERE EXACTLY? THERE THERE'S A LOADING DOCK.
A CEMENT LOADING DOCK RIGHT BEFORE AS YOU'RE HEADING TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE SUMMER RIVER, THE PARKWAY ON MARTS, IT'S SIT BACK, YOU KNOW, IT'S CONCRETE.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, A LOADING DOCK.
IS THIS, SORRY, IS THIS ON THE, DO WE WANNA BRING UP THE SITE? WELL I THINK IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY 'CAUSE YOU OWN EVERYTHING UP TO THE TRAILWAY.
RIGHT? LET'S SHARE, LET'S PULL THE SITE PLAN UP AGAIN JUST TO MAKE SURE.
WE'RE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE CURRENT INGRESS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT OVER THERE? YEAH, IT WOULD BE, UH, WELL WHERE'S LAUREN STREET? OKAY, SO IT, IT WOULD BE UP IN HERE.
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YOU HAVE AN EXISTING CONDITION.THERE'S NO, THERE WASN'T ANY FENCE THERE.
SO IF IT'S ENCOMPASSED IN THAT WITHIN OUR RED BOUNDARIES, THEN WE ARE IMPROVING IT AS YOU SEE THERE WITH PRETTY LANDSCAPING AND, AND YOU KNOW, IMPROVEMENTS.
THEN IT WOULD BE REMOVED, THEN IT WOULD BE REMOVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN.
UNLESS I'M MISSPEAKING JUST SET THE MIC PLEASE.
I BELIEVE THE DRIVEWAY, UH, VEERS TO THE RIGHT AROUND, UM, THE, UH, THE CONCRETE, UM, UM, TRUCK LOADING DOCK THAT'S THERE.
UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY, IF YOU GO THERE TOMORROW OR TONIGHT, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE GATE THAT THEY BROKE INTO.
THERE IS A NEW GATE THERE THAT BLOCKS THAT OFF.
UM, AND THEN THE, UH, CONCRETE IS SET BACK AND UH, THERE'S A STAIRCASE THERE THAT, UH, WE, UM, PUT HAZARD TAPE ON, BUT THE HAZARD TAPE AND SOME ORANGE CONES SO YOU WOULDN'T USE IT 'CAUSE THAT STAIRCASE IS FALLING APART.
UH, FOR SOME REASON SOMEBODY'S REMOVED THE CONES AND, UH, THE CAUTION TAPE FROM, FROM THAT STAIRCASE.
BUT WHERE THAT, UH, TRUCK LOADING DOCK IS, UH, THE NEW PLAN, I BELIEVE IS TO VEER AROUND, UH, THE DRIVEWAY IS GONNA VEER AROUND THE LOADING DOCK AND THEY'LL KEEP THE LOADING DOCK THERE.
BUT, UM, WE'LL GO OVER THAT WITH THE ENGINEERS, BUT THAT IS WHERE THE GATE IS WHERE THEY BROKE THE LOCK TONIGHT.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WOULD THEN BE IMPROVED WITH THE PREVIOUS ASPHALT PER OUR DISCUSSIONS HERE.
IF YOU COULD JUST HAVE AN ANSWER ON THAT FOR NEXT TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, THEN IF, IF WE'RE ABLE TO, TO COORDINATE THIS MEETING BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND MR. CANNING, UM, AND GET SOME OF THESE OTHER OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS ANSWERED.
UH, I'D LOVE TO PUT THIS BACK ON FOR A WORK SESSION AT THE NEXT MEETING ON MARCH 30TH.
AND WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS AS WELL IF WE COULD GET THOSE BACK JUST SO WE CAN COORDINATE ON OUR SIDE.
WE'RE GONNA DO A, WE'LL DO, DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO APPRECIATE IT.
GET A TIMELY RESPONSE FROM ENGINEERING.
WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET A TIMELY RESPONSE FROM.
DO YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IN YOUR RESPONSE TO OUR COMMENTS BY TUESDAY, MARCH 24TH? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
IT SEEMED LIKE SOME, ED, YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS, ELEVATIONS, CAP RELATED THINGS.
WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK ON THAT ON THE RECORD.
UH, SEEING NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 9:27 PM SO MOVED.