[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AGENDA THURSDAY, March 19, 2026 – 7:00 P.M. ]
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THIS IS THE TOWN OF GREENBURG ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
TONIGHT WE HAVE, I LOST MY PAPER THAT QUICK.
TONIGHT WE HAVE THREE CASES THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
HOWEVER, CASE 25 39 SPROUTS FARMERS MARKET IS ADJOURNED AS OF RIGHT BY THE APPLICANT TO THE APRIL 16TH, 2026 MEETING OF THE ZBA.
LOOKING FORWARD, THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON THURSDAY, APRIL 16TH.
PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDAR ACCORDINGLY.
AS IN THE PAST, WE, UM, TO SAVE TIME, WILL WE, WILL, WE WILL WAIVE THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH CASE.
HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD.
THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TONIGHT'S CASE, THE BOARD WILL MEET TO DISCUSS EACH CASE.
EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS ON ALL THE CASES.
WE COME AND, AND ANNOUNCE THE BOARD'S DECISION FOR THE FORMAL RECORD AND TO BE BROADCAST TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.
WE HAVE HEARD YES, SOME TESTIMONY ON ONE OF THESE CASES AT PRIOR MEETINGS.
ALL PRIOR TESTIMONY IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD AND SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED.
THE FIRST CASE WE WILL HEAR TESTIMONY ON TONIGHT IS CASE 26 0 2 DUNCAN JIMMY JOHNS, 180 2 SOM RIVER ROAD.
MADAM CHAIR, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO ROLL CALL FIRST.
AND I DID SKIP THE FACT THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE OUR, OKAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH OUR ROLL CALL.
SHAUNA DICKINSON PRESENT IS PRESENT.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR ROLL CALL MANAGER CHAIR.
UH, AND WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, UH, FOR DUNKING DONUTS.
JIMMY JOHNSON, CAN YOU SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT PLEASE? YEAH, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO AVOID THAT ECHO.
CAN YOU LEAVE THE AUDIO ON YOUR ZOOM? I JUST WANTED HEAR ALL GOOD.
CAN YOU GIMME AN AUDIO CHECK REAL QUICK TO SAY SOMETHING? TESTING, TESTING.
UM, THIS IS JIM LASH WITH DUNCAN.
UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR JIMMY JOHN'S.
UH, AFTER LAST, UH, MEETING THAT WE HAD LAST MONTH, IT, IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE SHOULD ELIMINATE OR REDUCE THE NUMBER OF SIGNS.
SO WE WOULD BE REMOVING THE SIGN, THE FRONT SIGN ON SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, GIVING US TWO SIGNS, OUR FREESTANDING SIGN, AND THE SIGN IS OVER THE MAIN ENTRANCE, WHICH IS ALSO FACING THE PARKING LOT AREA OF THE BUSINESS.
SO, CAN YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT? CAN'T HEAR.
UM, SO THE TWO VARIANCES THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, A 10 INCH VARIANCE FOR THE MONOLITH SIGN THAT'S FACING 10 INCH TOTAL HEIGHT OF THE MONOLITH SIGN.
UH, WHICH IS TWO SIGNS ITSELF.
IT'S JIMMY JOHN'S DUNKING DONUTS.
UM, SO WE'RE ALLOWED FOUR FEET.
UM, SO IT'S A 10 INCH HEIGHT VARIANCE WE'RE SEEKING.
UM, BUT, AND THEN THE SECOND VARIANCE THAT WE'RE SEEKING IS FOR THE PYLON SIGN ITSELF.
UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR, IT'S A 15, UH, SQUARE FOOT VARIANCE FOR THAT.
UM, BUT WITH THE REDUCTION OF LOSING THAT SIGN, UH, THE SIGN ITSELF WOULD
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DEFINITELY IS GONNA BE, NEED, NEED TO BE LEGIBLE WITH, UH, TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING ON THAT ROUTE NINE CORRIDOR THERE.UH, CARS, TRUCKS TRAVEL AT VERY HIGH SPEEDS.
UM, SO IN OUR OPINION, YOU KNOW, THE, IT'S A COMMERCIAL AREA.
UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR A VERY SMALL VARIANCE ON EACH ONE OF THESE SIGNS.
WE ELIMINATED ONE SIGN COMPLETELY.
UM, WE DON'T SEE ANY UNDESIRABLE CHANGE OR CHARACTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF.
WE'RE ACTUALLY TRYING TO INVEST AND REDO THIS ENTIRE BUILDING.
IT'LL BE THE NICEST BUILDING IN THAT ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AREA BY FAR.
UH, THE ENTIRE FACELIFT OF THE ENTIRE WILL BE HAPPENING TO THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
IT'S ALMOST DONE ALREADY, UM, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING.
SO WE DON'T SEE ANY DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.
UM, THE MAIN FACTOR OF THE LARGE PYLON SIGN, LIKE I SAID, IS THE SPEED AND TRAFFIC, UH, OF THAT AREA GETTING INTO THE PARKING LOT.
UH, THIS IS A FOOD ESTABLISHMENT AND IT'S VERY, UM, QUICK TO WANT, PEOPLE WANT TO TURN IN THERE VERY QUICKLY, WHETHER THEY'RE COMING NORTH OR SOUTH ON THE ROUTE NINE, UH, IT'S A CONSTANT FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
IT'S AN ESSENTIAL FOOD BUSINESS THAT'S DIRECTLY OFF THE HIGHWAY AS WELL.
UM, THE 10 INCH VARIANCE HEIGHT VARIANCE IS A MINIMAL HEIGHT AND ALLOWS US TO KEEP THE SIZING OF THE LETTERS THAT IT COULD BE READ FROM A DISTANCE.
AND THERE WILL BE NO PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTAL HARM IN EITHER ONE OF THESE SIGNS.
UH, WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION, UM, THE BOARD'S COMMENTS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED NOT TO TRY TO SHRINK THE SIGN IN THE FRONT.
WE JUST ELIMINATED IT COMPLETELY, UH, TO KEEP WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS THE MOST, OR, OR ACTUALLY WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SIGNS OF THIS BUSINESS.
UM, AND THE, THIS KIND OF REALLY SUMS UP.
CAN YOU HELP ME? AND I, IT MAY BE HERE AND I'M JUST NOT ABLE TO READ IT QUITE RIGHT.
WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE LETTERING FOR DUNCAN OVER THE PARKING LOT? DOOR OVER THOSE, THOSE LETTERS.
HOW HIGH ARE THEY? THAT'S A 30 INCH LETTER.
AND THE, AND THAT SAME DUNCAN ON THE SIGN, THE OTHER SIGN, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT THERE? 11 INCHES ON.
THIS IS THE FREE STANDING SIGN OUT BY THE ROAD.
OBVIOUSLY WE'D LOVE TO HAVE 30 INCHES OUT THERE AS WELL.
AND THE CURRENT DUNCAN, THAT'S THERE, IS THAT ALSO AN 11 INCH SIGN? THE LETTER THAT'S ON THE BUILDING? IT IS, UH, WELL, ON THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S DUNKING OVER D WELL, THERE THE SIGN THAT'S EX ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN, THE FREE STANDING SIGN? I HEARD IT'S ACTUALLY THERE NOW.
I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT WENDY'S, THE YARD SIGN.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT LAYOUT.
IT'S TWO THINGS, BUT YES, IT'S ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT OF AS OF THE LETTER.
NO, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE, ARE YOU SAYING IT'S THE TWO LINES ARE THE SAME HEIGHT AS ONE LINE NOW? WELL, WE'RE ADDING THE, THE QUESTION IS HOW BIG ARE, IS THE WORD DUNCAN ON THE EXISTING SIDE? LAWN SIDE? IT'S AN 11 INCH LETTER.
SO, SO THE NEW SIGN AND THE OLD SIGN WOULD HAVE THE SAME SIZE FONT.
IS THAT NO, FOR THE DUNCAN IT'S 75% BIGGER.
I DON'T SEE HOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
SO, 'CAUSE WHERE WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO, YOU HAVE MUCH MORE INFORMATION.
BUT THE ACTUAL WORDS ARE THE SAME HEIGHT, CORRECT.
AND IT LOOKS, IF MAYBE THIS IS, UH, MISS, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY THE SIGN ON THE BUILDING THAT SAYS THE SAME THING IS NOT THAT MUCH LARGER THAN THE SIGN THAT'S ON THE, THE SIGN BY THE STREET.
IN OTHER WORDS, HERE YOU'RE GOING FROM AN 11 INCH FONT TO A 30 INCH FONT.
UM, HERE IT LOOKED LIKE YOU'RE GOING FROM AN 11 INCH FONT TO BASICALLY THE SAME.
I'M LOOKING ABOUT THE OLD, OLD ONE.
RIGHT? I I, OKAY, I I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, AM I CORRECT OR AM I WRONG? YEAH, YOU'RE, YES, WE, WE WELL YOU'RE, YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THE FONT IS BECOMING MUCH LARGER.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE, THIS HAS HAPPENED WITH ALL THE DUNKING 'CAUSE IT WAS DUNKING DONUTS, AND NOW WE JUST HAVE DUNKING.
SO THIS HAS HAPPENED THROUGHOUT ALL THE DUNKING SIGNS.
THEY'VE BECOME LARGER LETTERS BECAUSE
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YOU NO LONGER HAVE TWO LINES TO USE FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE.WELL, SO IN THIS SITUATION WHERE IT USED TO BE DUNKING DONUTS, THE HEIGHT WOULD'VE BEEN 22 INCHES.
NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR 30 INCHES FOR THE DUNKING.
AND WHAT, WHAT SIZE FONT ARE YOU ENTITLED TO? I SHOULD KNOW THAT, BUT I DON'T, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ALLOWED 48 INCH MAX FOUR LETTERS.
WHERE'S A 24 INCH MAX? SO, SO YOU'RE ALLOWED 48 INCHES.
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS WITH, WITH THE CORPORATE BRANDING OF HOW, UM, THEY'RE KEEPING DUNCAN JIMMY JOHNS, SAME LIKE THE DUNCAN BASKIN.
THEY HAVE, UH, A PROGRAM GUIDE THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THEY BREAK IT UP IS THE DUNCAN IS THE LARGER, AND THEN JIMMY JOHN'S, AND THEN THE SANDWICHES, THAT'S ALL THEIR LOGO.
SO THE, YOU END UP WITH A SANDWICH THAT'S THE S IS SIX INCHES TALL FOR THE SANDWICHES.
BUT THIS IS ALL PROPORTION OF HOW THEIR BRANDING GUIDE CALLS FOR IT.
ON THE BIG SIGN, UM, ON THE, YEAH, THE BUILDING SIGN.
BUILDING SIGN IS THE YARD SIGN.
WE CALL THAT DUNCAN AND JIMMY JOHN'S ARE, YOU KNOW, DIRECTLY UNDER EACH OTHER.
IN THE YARD SIGN, EVERYTHING IS MUCH MORE SPACED OUT, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT'S CAUSING IT TO BE SO MUCH BIGGER.
WELL, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE, THE VERTICAL OR THE, OUR, UH, HORIZONTAL AREA THAT WE HAVE TO USE.
WE HAVE TO BE CONSTRAINED TO ROUGHLY SIX FEET THERE.
WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, IS IT 16 FEET? YEAH, 16.
I, I HAVE THE EXACT, I I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT ON THE YARD SIGN, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF WHITE SPACE AROUND DUNCAN THAT YOU DON'T HAVE FOR THE PARKING LOT SIGN.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU COULD SQUISH THE YARD SIGN DOWN AND HAVE THE SAME SIZE LETTERING.
UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS, AS LEGIBLE AS POSSIBLE FOR THE SPEED OF THE CARS THAT ARE, THAT ARE COMING 11 INCH LETTER IS NOT REALLY, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S, IT'S NOT CHANGING THE SIZE OF THE LETTER.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHITE SPACE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCE ON THE ENTIRE SIGNS.
UH, SO YOU DON'T, YOU WANT TO TRY TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE SQUISHED.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I THINK SHE'S ASKING ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING FOR NOT, NOT DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING SIGN, BUT IT'S 75% LARGE, 175%.
WE'RE ASKING FOR 15 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS ROUGHLY A FOUR FOOT BY FOUR FOOT AREA.
WHAT'S A TO 35? BUT IF YOU LOOK AT ANY OTHER OVER, THAT'S NOT RELEVANT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAS STATION SIGNS, THAT'S, THEY'RE TRIPLE.
WE'RE NOT, I I THINK IT'S ALSO BECAUSE YOU'RE, IT'S TOWN OF GREENBURG VERSUS ELMSFORD.
AND IN THAT QUARTER, WELL WE HAVE, YEAH, WE HAVE, BUT THERE'S NEIGHBORING GAS STATIONS THAT HAVE SIGNS THAT ARE ENORMOUS.
ELMSFORD HAS DIFFERENT ZONING LAWS.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THERE AS WELL.
'CAUSE THERE'S TWO GAS STATIONS, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF THE BUSINESS.
ONE OF 'EM HAS TO BE IN GREENBURG, YOU KNOW, AND IN THE CORRIDOR THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS BY FAR GONNA BE THE NICEST, CLEANEST BUILDING.
AND YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DENY THAT WE'RE I SAY ABOUT THAT.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE YOU'RE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIGN THAT WE TRYING THAT HAS TO BE 75% OVER THE LEGAL LIMIT.
AND PART OF THE REASON THAT IT'S THAT MUCH BIGGER IS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH WHITE SPACE THAT YOU ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE ON ON THE BUILDING SIDE.
BUT YOU NEED SOME NEGATIVE SPACE FOR CARS TO SEE THIS FROM A DISTANCE.
PEOPLE ARE GOING 60 MILES AN HOUR.
OH, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT I THEY ARE, THERE ARE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
THERE'S A, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AESTHETICALLY I ACTUALLY THINK IT LOOKS BETTER WITH THE WHITE SPACE AROUND IT.
WELL, I JUST KNOW THERE, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF YOU WOULD CRUNCH TOGETHER.
SO GO STAND THERE DURING RUSH HOUR AND SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE.
IF YOU DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING 50, 60 MILES AN HOUR AND THERE'S TRUCKS, THEY'RE DOING TWO MILES AN HOUR DURING RUSH HOUR.
I, I WAS THERE MEASURING THIS STUFF AND YOU ALMOST GET RUN OVER.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY RIDICULOUS OF, OF THE SPEEDS THAT THEY TRAVEL AND THE AMOUNT OF TRUCKS COMING OUTTA THEIR COMING OUTTA THERE.
I I, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S, THERE'S A PLACE FOR SIGNS AND THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS.
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UNIFORMITY IN THAT ENTIRE DISTRICT THERE.WHETHER IT'S GREENBURG, ELMSFORD, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT UNIFORM, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S MANY DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS.
WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO, TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS.
KEEP A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ALLOW CUSTOMERS TO FIND US AS THEY'RE COMING OFF THE HIGHWAY AT A HIGH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR SOMETHING.
YOU, WHETHER IT'S TRUCKS OR NOT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SIGN THAT IS PROBABLY 15 FEET AWAY FROM A 30 INCH SIGN, 30 INCH LETTER.
IT'S, WE'RE NOT TALKING LIKE THESE ARE, AND THAT SIGN CAN ONLY BE READ FROM ONE DIRECTION AWAY.
THAT, THAT SIGN THAT WE, THAT WE'RE ALMOST HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT CORPORATE WANTS OVER THE FRONT DOOR.
THE BUILDING IS SO CLOSE TO ROUTE NINE.
THAT OTHER SIGN ON ROUTE NINE WALL SIGN PROBABLY WOULDN'T HELP US.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA RELY ON THIS FREESTANDING SIGN FOR ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC.
AND IT'S LAID OUT DIFFERENTLY THAN THE ONE YOU'RE SAYING IS THE CORPORATE REQUIREMENTS.
I DON'T SEE HOW IT, IT'S LAID OUT MUCH DIFFERENT.
IT'S, UH, THE, THE, THE, THERE'S A LITTLE, THERE'S WHITE OVER IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S A SIX INCH GAP BETWEEN THE BOTTOM OF DUNCAN AND THE TOP OF JIMMY JOHN'S.
THIS IS A STACKED JIMMY JOHN'S, THE FIT IN SIX FEET OF AREA VERSUS A HORIZONTAL LAYOUT.
I, I, I THINK RESPECTFULLY, I LIKE IT.
I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB AND THANK YOU FOR REMOVING THE ONE THAT YOU THOUGHT WAS THANK YOU.
I HOPE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, SEE AS WELL WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH AND, YOU KNOW, AND THE, AND THE BUILDING THAT, YOU KNOW, MR. LASH HAS PUT TOGETHER THERE.
YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN NOT, AND HE HAS THREE BUSINESSES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, ALL DUNCANS, AND THEY'RE ALL SPOTLESS AND BEEN UPDATED WHEN MANY OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS DO NOT DO THAT.
SO I THINK THERE, YOU KNOW, A VARIANCE FOR A SIGN THAT'S ESSENTIAL FOR HIS BUSINESS, I THINK IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AS THIS IS AN ESSENTIAL NEED.
I COULD UNDERSTAND IF THERE WAS NOT, IF IT WAS IN A DIFFERENT AREA, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A, A CORRIDOR FILLED WITH SIGNS AND GAS STATIONS WITH SIGNS THAT ARE THREE TIMES THE SIZE.
I DON'T SEE THE HARM ME STORES WITH SMALLER SIGNS THAT ARE ALSO IN BUSINESS.
I, I, I DON'T WANNA GET INTO COMPARING YOU TO YOUR NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS THIS SIGN, THIS LOCATION, THESE SETS OF RULES.
I UNDERSTAND THAT HIGHLY, BUT IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT DIFFERENTLY.
THERE ARE SOME HOMES NOT FAR AWAY WHERE, UM, AND TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT.
UM, WHERE ARE THE HOMES ONE TO THE SIDE ON THE SIDES, RIGHT? WE GO THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S READY TO FALL DOWN, I DON'T KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THAT CAN'T BE SEEN FROM, FROM THE BUILDING BLOCKS.
IT, WE TRY TO ESTABLISH A, A SIGN THAT LOOKS NICE, UH, WITH COURT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE, WITH THE BRANDING RULES AND REGULATIONS IS WHAT WE TRY TO DO.
BASICALLY TRYING TO FIND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU WANT AND WHAT YOU NEED.
THIS IS WHAT WE NEED BECAUSE IT LOOKS PLEASING TO THE EYE.
THIS SIGN AS WELL AS THIS SIGN.
THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT LAYOUTS.
WE HAVE NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE WHITE SPACE AROUND THE SIGN.
THIS AS WELL IS EASILY READABLE.
IF YOU WANT TO CUT DOWN SOME OF THE WHITE AREA, IT'S JUST GONNA LOOK MORE SMOOSHED AND CONDENSED.
YOU HAVE TO LEAVE SOME ROOM FOR IT TO BREATHE THE NO, THIS HAS A HORIZONTAL.
THAT'S EVEN WAY NOT IS THAT WE STILL DOING THIS? OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ONE SIGN THAT GIVES US NORTH AND SOUTH VISIBILITY.
AND IT'S THIS SIGN, THE FREESTANDING, THE, THE, THE ROAD SIGN.
THE FREESTANDING ROAD SIGN IS THE SIGN THAT GIVES US ALL OF OUR VISIBILITY.
THIS IS JUST A GENERAL QUESTION.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE, IN ORDER THE, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS FACING AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAY.
THAT'S THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND YET, SO TO GET TO THIS DUNKING DONUTS GOING TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY WHERE YOU'LL SEE THE PARKING LOT, YOU HAVE TO CROSS OVER WHY, AND THIS MAY HAVE BEEN A CHOICE MADE 50 YEARS AGO, BUT WHY WOULD THE BUILDING NOT BE TURNED AROUND, WHERE THE PEOPLE COMING OFF THE HIGHWAY ARE SEEING THE FRONT OF IT, JUST PARKING PARKED.
THAT'S THE WAY THE PARKING LOT IS THE WAY, THE
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PARKING LOT.THAT WAS JUST FOR MY OWN INFORMATION.
YEAH, NO, IN ORDER TO GET THE REQUIRED PARKING TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE PAST THE BUILDING AND PARK IN THE BACK AREA IS THE ONLY WAY TO GET ENOUGH PARKING FOR THAT SIZE BUILDING.
AND, AND ONE OF THE, YOUR HONOR, MY NAME'S JIM LASH AND IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE A LARGE PARKING LOT WHERE TRUCKS CAN ALSO ENTER AND, AND, AND PARK AND, YOU KNOW, ENTER THE ESTABLISHMENT, WHICH IS ESSENTIAL IN THAT, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I GUESS THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS THAT I WAS WONDERING WHY THE SIGN THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE YARD WAS CHANGED FROM WHAT YOU HAVE OVER THE BUILDING ITSELF.
I, UH, I DON'T WHAT UH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THE, THE, THE LAYOUT ITSELF? LIKE THE, YEAH, LIKE, SO THE JIMMY JOHN'S IS HORIZONTAL HERE AND STACKED HERE.
WAS THAT THE QUESTION? JIMMY JOHN'S HAS A LOT OF, WE JUST HAVE TO BE WIDER, WHICH THEN IT WOULD LOOK NOT PROPORTION TO WHAT RIGHT.
IT, IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE, THE HORIZONTAL, YOU KNOW, FEED OF THE SIGN AND, AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH.
AND THIS IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, A NEW BUSINESS IN THE, OUR NEW CONCEPT IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UH, HOPEFULLY MEET PEOPLE'S NEEDS FOR, UH, LUNCH SPOTS THERE.
AND WE HOPE THE BOARD COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, UH, SEE WHAT MR. LASH TRIES TO DO WITH HIS BUILDINGS AND KEEPS THEM, YOU KNOW, CLEAN AND UP TO, UP TO MODERN STANDARDS OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT.
YOU KNOW, HE PUTS TIME AND EFFORT INTO THESE BUILDINGS.
UM, WHICH CAN'T BE SAID WITH A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THERE.
SO IF THAT WAS ALLOWS US, YOU KNOW, TO, TO TRY TO GET A SECOND, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS ALSO THE FIRST JIMMY JOHNS IN WESTCHESTER.
SO WE DO WANT TO HAVE SOME BRAND IDENTITY SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT IT IS.
IS THAT WHY YOU'RE PUTTING THE WORD SANDWICHES ON IT? YOU'RE AFRAID THAT PEOPLE WILL JUST THINK IT'S MORE DONUTS? WELL, IT'S PART OF THE LOGO, BUT IT, IT'S, YEAH.
SO THEY DO KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT OKAY, THIS IS THE, LIKE, LIKE MR SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST JIMMY JOHN'S IN THE AREA HERE IN WESTCHESTER.
UM, IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF DUNCAN, JUST LIKE THE BASKIN IS.
BUT WE ALL KIND OF ALREADY KIND OF KNOW DUNCAN BASKIN GO TOGETHER.
THIS IS NEW CONCEPT THAT THIS IS THE FIRST ONE HE'S TRYING TO DO.
AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE MORE FOOD PLACES, YOU KNOW, PLACES TO EAT, UM, IN THIS AREA.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A VERY POPULAR SPOT.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S HEAVILY COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC AND TRUCKS AND GUYS LOOKING FOR LUNCH, UH, COMING IN AND OUTTA BROOKFIELD AND COMING AT A, YOU KNOW, THE SAM'S AND THE WHOLE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX THERE.
WE HAVE PARKING FOR THEM AND WE ARE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM COME AND EAT AT OUR PLACE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? AND I JUST, ONE LAST THING.
I JUST HOPE THE BOARD COULD SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALSO A PLACE WHERE MANY HOUSES, THE NIGHT THEY BRING HOUSE, THEY'RE EMPLOYED BY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE MR. LASH.
SO HE EMPLOYS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA AS WELL.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CREATE A SPACE THAT CAN STAY IN BUSINESS FOR ANOTHER 25 YEARS.
JUST FYI, THERE IS A JIMMY JOHNS ON THE MARAK AVENUE IN WHITE PLAINS.
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DUNKING DONUTS? WHAT IS IT? WITH DUNKING DONUTS? I THINK YOU SAID THIS IS THE ONLY JIMMY JOHN'S THINK IT CLOSED.I'M JUST TELLING YOU THERE'S A JIMMY JOHN'S.
I DON'T THINK IT'S, I THINK IT OPENED AND CLOSED IN ONER AVENUE.
THERE'S NO, IT'S NOT EXISTING.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T WANNA TAKE THE TIME TO GO INTO YELP, BUT THAT WOULD BE CLOSE.
AND EVEN IF THERE WAS ONE, AND IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT BRAND RECOGNITION YET.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT TELL YOU, YOU WERE SAYING IT WAS THE ONLY ONE.
YEAH, IT'S A SISTER BRAND OF DUNCAN NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABLE TO DO BA AND JIMMY JOHNSON.
WE HAVE RECEIVED NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS, RATHER FROM OUR MAILINGS.
EVERY, EVERYBODY'S BEEN NOTIFIED.
LET'S, OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON SINCE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.
AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 26 0 4 2 0 5 2 0 7 SUMMER RIVER ROAD.
ZAPATA ZILLA ZERO A-P-A-T-A, ZAPATA REGISTERED ARCHITECT.
I REPRESENT THE, THE OWNERS OF THIS PROPERTY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO START TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSAL OF, UH, OUR PROPOSAL.
LET ME SHARE IF I CAN, AND I WANNA SHARE THE, THE SCREEN.
I DON'T SEE ANYTHING RIGHT THERE.
IN THE MEANTIME, I PUT IN THE SCREEN THE, THE DRAWING THAT I WANNA SHOW.
I JUST WANNA START TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK.
UH, THIS IS A MULTI-FAMILY THREE, BASICALLY THREE, UH, THREE FAMILY, UH, BUILDING, UH, THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RENOVATION.
AND, UH, THIS IS BASICALLY MIXED BUILDING, UH, THREE APARTMENTS AND TWO COMMERCIAL SPACES ON THE FLOOR, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN SHARE THE LOCATION THAT I DON'T SEE.
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I CAN'T SEE THERE.CAN YOU PUT, PUT THE SIDE PLAN FIRST? THAT ONE EXACTLY.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, 4,794 S SQUARE FOOT LOT.
THE LOAD IS LOCATED IN, UH, R UH, IN A, IN A LIKE INDUSTRIAL, UH, ZONING.
THE BUILDING IS A NON-CONFORMING BUILDING, EH, BECAUSE OF THE USE, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, UH, BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE LOT.
BASICALLY, THIS IS A NONCONFORMING IN ALL OF THE WAYS.
UH, BUT THERE IS, UH, I WILL SAY THAT THE PROPERTY IS ILLEGAL, MORE MIXED BUILDING, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING.
EH, THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR TO STORES TO, TO RETAIL STORES AND THREE APARTMENTS.
UM, THE SCOPE OF WORK IS TO RAISE YOUR FACE, THE BLACK TOP IN THE REAR YARD PARKING LOT AND THE RENOVATION OF THE, ONE OF THE RETAIL STORES, EH, COMMUNICATED THAT RETAIL STORE WITH THE FIRST, THE SECOND FLOOR APARTMENT IN ORDER TO CONVERT THAT RETAIL STORE INTO RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS THE SECOND, I WOULD SAY THE SECOND PART OF THE, OF THE VARIANCE THAT WE ARE REQUESTING ARE, THE FIRST PART OF THE, UH, OF THE VARIANCE IS IN REFERENCE TO THE, I WILL SAY THE SETBACKS.
NO, BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS, UH, NON-CONFORMING.
AND BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS JUST A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET, WHERE IN THIS ZONING DISTANCE IS 40,000 SQUARE FEET LOT.
SO BASICALLY WE CAN, IN ANY CASE, TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE SETBACKS, INCLUDING THE IMPERIAL PHASE.
UH, SO WE HAVE SEVERAL VARIANCES IN THIS CASE FOR THE SETBACKS AND THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING AND FOR THE IMPERIAL, UH, IN REFERENCE TO THE PARKING, THE PARKING AREA, EVEN THOUGH WE COMPLY WITH THE NUMBER OF PARKINGS.
SO, EH, WE HAVE A VARIANCE THAT WAS GRANTED IN 1986, UH, BY THE, UM, TOWN OF GREENBURG IN ORDER TO PROVIDE NINE PARKING SPACES.
UM, MY PROPOSAL IS BASED ON THAT, UM, VARIANCE GRANTED IN 19, UH, 86, YOU HAVE IN THE PAPERS THAT I SUBMITTED, EH, SHOWING THAT, UH, THAT NUMBER OF PARKING, UH, WAS APPROVED AGAIN, 19 80, 86.
UH, AND BASED ON THAT, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, BESIDES THE, UM, PHASE, THE EXISTING BLACK TAP IS TO MARK UP THE PARKING SPACES.
UH, AS YOU SEE IN THE PROPOSAL, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE PROPOSAL, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING THE SAME NUMBER OF SPACES INCLUDED, ONE ACCESSIBLE PARKING FOR, UH, A DA EH DISABILITY PERSON.
AND THE OTHER EIGHT PARKING SPACES, EH, THAT IF YOU SEE IN THE RIGHT HAND THE LAYOUT OF THAT.
SO THE NUMBER OF SPACES, WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT, SO WE KEPT IT.
AND WE ARE PROPOSING, EH, PARKING SPACES, NINE BY 18 IN ORDER TO GET A VERY GOOD CIRCULATION BETWEEN THE TWO ROWS OF THE PARKING SPACES.
AS YOU SEE IN THE LEFT HANDS, THE ZONING ANALYSIS WHERE YOU SEE THE SETBACKS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH THE SETBACKS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
AND IT IS, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE REGULATION IN THAT TYPE OF LOT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE, THE, THE BUILDING AND THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
SO THE SIX VARIANCE THAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS, UH, THE SIZE YARD, REAR YARD LOCATION OF THE PARKING SPACE IN REFERENCE TO THE BUILDING, EH, THE SAME, THE LOCATION OF THE REAR YARD AND THE IMPERIAL PHASE.
EH, WHY? FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE WE SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE A
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GRANTED VARIANCE IN 19 60, 86, AND WE LOCATE THE SAME NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES APPROVED AT THAT TIME IN ORDER TO DON'T GO OVER THE THAT NUMBER IN REFERENCE TO THE PARKING SPACES AS YOU SEE.SO YOU CAN SEE, UM, THAT WE COMPLIANT EVEN MORE THAN THE RESIDENTIAL SPACES BECAUSE FOR EACH, UH, EACH APARTMENT, UH, WE WILL REQUIRE TWO NUMBER TWO, TWO UNITS, AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE NINE.
SO BASICALLY WE ARE FINE WITH THE NUMBER OF THE, OF THE, OF THE PARKING, PARKING SPACES.
AND ON THE OTHER HAND, SO WE ARE GONNA HAVE LIKE A SPACE FOR THE ONLY ONLY RETAIL SPACE THAT WE ARE GONNA PROVIDE.
WHAT IS THE REASON WE ARE ASKING FOR, UH, VARIANCE FOR THE APARTMENT, FOR THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE NON-CONFORMING, EVEN THOUGH THE, UH, WE TRY TO, LET'S SAY, TRY TO, MY, MY CLIENT TRIED TO RENT THE TWO COMMERCIAL SPACES, AND BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, UH, SINCE THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE, LIKE, UH, I WOULD SAY LIKE A SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, THEY COULDN'T RENT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE AND BECAUSE OF THE USE, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO RENT THIS SPACE, THIS LITTLE SPACE FOR A USE THAT IS PERMITTED IN THE, IN THE LAW INDUSTRIAL AREA.
SO THAT'S WHY IN ORDER TO TRY TO USE THE AREA.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO ENLARGE ONE OF THE APARTMENT, THE LEFT HAND.
CAN YOU PLEASE GO TO THE OTHER AND THE NEXT ONE PLEASE? AND THAT ONE, THE NEXT ONE? THE NEXT ONE, NEXT ONE.
THE, THE, NO, WE'LL COME BACK A LITTLE BIT.
THE, THIS IS THE SECOND, THE FIRST FLOOR IN THE RIGHT HAND.
IF YOU SEE THE OSI, UH, SO THE IDEA IS TO CONVERT THAT RETAIL STORE, A SMALL RETAIL STORE, AND MAKE A DUPLEX APARTMENT FIRST AND SECOND FLOOR, AND LEAVE THE OTHER SPACE FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE.
MEANTIME WITH USE, UH, IN THE AREA.
AND THIS CASE, WE ARE GONNA KEEP IT AS A STORAGE.
UH, ONE OTHER THING THAT WE TRY TO KEEP IT AS A STORAGE IS BECAUSE THE NEXT DOOR PROPERTY BELONGS TO THE SAME OWNERS, WHICH IS THE RESTAURANT.
AND THEY ARE TRYING TO USE THIS, THIS AREA TO ACCOMMODATE SOME STORAGE THAT ARE GOING TO SERVE TO THE PARKING SPACE, EH, TO THE, TO THE RESTAURANT, AND THEN KEEP THE BUILDING LIKE THAT.
SO THEY ARE MAKING A VERY BIG IMPROVEMENT IN EVERYTHING, EH, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE SPACES, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS A FLUID AREA.
ALSO, WE HAVE A VERY SERIOUS PRE PROBLEMS WITH WATER.
SO WE REMOVE ALL OF THE UTILITIES FROM THE BASEMENT TO THE FIRST FLOOR IN ORDER TO KEEP COMPLETELY CLEAN, EH, EH, THE SPACE JUST IN CASE THERE IS A FLOORING, EH, AND RENOVATE THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
SO WE CHANGE NOT ONLY THE SPACES, BUT ALSO ON SIDING.
AND THIS IS THE LAST PART, WHICH IS THE, THE DRESSER FACING OF THE, UM, OF THE BLACK TAB IN THE PARKING AREA.
BECAUSE IN THIS MOMENT WE HAVE A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH THE, WITH THE SURFACE.
SO BASICALLY, EVEN THOUGH, IF YOU SEE IS NOT THE VARIANCES, ALL OF THE VARIANCES THAT WE ARE REQUESTING ON IS PRACTICALLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING PARKING.
AND THE EXISTING PARKING DOESN'T, UM, I WOULD SAY DOESN'T INTERRUPT ANYTHING, UH, ON THE, ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE ARE, UM, MORE THAN SECURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THIS IS PRACTICALLY THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IN THAT AREA.
THE REST IS, UH, IS, UH, INDUSTRIAL LIGHT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S VERY COMPLICATED TO, TO HANDLE IN THE VERY GOOD WAY THE PARKING SPACE.
UM, I THINK THIS IS ALL, I DON'T KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, HAVE YOU FOR TWO REASONS.
UM, HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT PERVIOUS PAVERS OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES INSTEAD OF BLACKTOP, WHICH WOULD, UM, ALLOW
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THE WATER TO GO THROUGH, UM, INTO THE GROUND BEFORE IT GETS TO THE, TO THE, UM, TO THE BUILDING.AND ALSO, UM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE ZONING LAW THAT ARE BEING CONTEMPLATED RIGHT NOW.
AND I THINK THEY WILL BE GIVING CONSIDERATION TO THE FACT THAT USING IMPERVIOUS PAVERS AS OPPOSED TO BLACKTOP.
WE WERE TALKING A LOT WITH THE, UM, ENGINEER WHO IS, UH, IS AN ADVISOR.
AND THE PROBLEM THAT BECAUSE WE ARE IN A FLOOD AREA, ANY MATERIAL THAT WE USE IN THAT AREA WON'T WORK.
EVEN THOUGH PERIAL PHASE, UH, WE USE PAPER IN A FLOW TIME, IT'S GOTTA BE THE SAME.
SO BASICALLY IT DOESN'T IMPROVE THE PARKING AREA, ANY OTHER MATERIAL, EVEN IF WE INSTALL COOL TEXT, BECAUSE THIS IS ALL THING THAT WE WERE THINKING ABOUT IT TO START SOME COOL TEXT IN ORDER TO CUT THE WATER IN, IN, IN ALU TIME.
BUT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S IN ALU AREA.
SO ANY MATERIALS THAT WE USE IS GOTTA BE THE SAME THING.
IT'S, IT'S WASTE, UH, WASTED MONEY AND ANYTHING THAT HAPPEN IN FLU TIME.
SO NO, NOTHING, NO MATERIALS OR ANYTHING ELSE CAN HELP TO IMPROVE THE SPACE.
ARE YOU LEAVING ANY OF THE TREES THAT ARE IN THE BACK? EH, THERE ARE BASICALLY, NO, THERE IS NOT SO MUCH.
NOW ARE YOU LEAVING THE ONES THAT ARE THERE, THERE ARE CHERRY TREES.
WE ARE GONNA KEEP WHATEVER WE HAVE RIGHT THERE.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY OTHER PLANTINGS? IT IT'S VERY STARK.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT WAS BY THE PLANNING OR THE SIDE PLAN, BECAUSE WE WENT TO THE SITE PLAN BEFORE WE COME HERE, IS TO INSTALL SOME PLANTERS, BUT MOREGO PLANTERS THAT WE ARE GOING TO INSTALL.
LET'S, LET'S PUT THE, THE, THE SIDE PLAN PLEASE.
CAN YOU PLEASE MOVE TO THE SIDE PLANT THE FIRST, SO THE IDEA IS TOO CLOSE TO THE BUILDING IN THE BACK.
SO WE ARE GOING TO START SOME PLANTERS? NO, ON THE FIRST, THE FIRST PAGE PLEASE.
THAT ONE, THAT ONE, THAT ONE? YEAH.
THE, THE, THAT THAT, NO, THE SECOND ONE ON FRONT OF THE, IN THE, IN THE BACKYARD.
IN THE BACKYARD, WE ARE PROPOSING SOME PLANTERS.
LET'S SEE THE PROPOSAL ON THE RIGHT HAND, UH, CLOSE TO THE, THE STAIRCASE THAT GOES TO THE, TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE SOME PLANTERS, AND WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE SOME PLANTERS IN THE SIDE.
BUT YOU SEE THE SIDE, THE DRIVEWAY IS EIGHT FEET, THE A EIGHT FEET, RIGHT? IT'S VERY, IT IS VERY NARROW.
BUT IN INSTEAD TO, TO KEEP IT LIKE JUST BLACKOUT, WE ARE GOING TO INSTALL SOME PLANTERS VERY CLOSE BY THE FACADE AND ON THE FRONT ALSO.
THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING.
YEAH, I MEAN, I JUST QUESTION EARLIER WAS IN THAT AREA WHERE YOU SAW THE PLANTERS.
WHY IS THAT BEING PAVED OVER? UM, AS PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD APPLICATION STAFF, INCLUDING MYSELF, UM, WENT TO THE SITE AND REVIEWED JUST PHYSICALLY THE ACCESS PATH.
THERE IS NO PHYSICAL WAY TO PUT A LANDSCAPING BUFFER BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE REAR SIDE WITHOUT, UM, AFFECTING THE ABILITY TO PARK ON THE SITE.
SO THE, THE BEST THING TO DO, WHICH WILL ALSO HELP WITH VEHICLE IMPACT WHEN PEOPLE ARE MAKING A TURN, IS TO PUT SMALL PLANTERS IN, UH, LONG BUT THIN PLANTERS ABOUT EIGHT TO 12 INCHES IN WIDTH THAT CAN SUPPORT, UM, SMALL BUSHES TO BEAUTIFY THE SIDE.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, AND IN THE BACK ALSO AND IN THE, YES, AND IN THE BACK.
WELL, THE BACK ALSO, WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHAT WAS, 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING FROM THE BUILDING TO WHERE THE STEPS MEET THE GROUND, THE STEPS COME DOWN.
THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S PLANT, THERE'S PLANTERS IN THERE TOO.
BUT THAT HAD TO BE PAVED TOO, BECAUSE THIS IS A FLOODPLAIN OR WHY IS THAT BEING PAVED? THAT AREA BETWEEN WHERE THE, THE DRIVEWAY MEETS THE STEPS TO THE HOUSE.
YEAH, SO BASICALLY, UH, OVER THE, THE PAPER, SO WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE SOME PLANTERS THAT WE CAN MOVE, MOVE AT ANY TIME, JUST IN CASE WITH THE FLOODS AREA IN ORDER TO CLEAN IT OR HAVE THE SPACE OR A CLEAR OR SOME FLOOD PROBLEMS. BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THOSE PLANTERS ALL THE TIME, THE, THAT ARE GOING TO SEPARATE THE BUILDING, THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING SPACE.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE IN ORDER TO BEAUTIFY THE, THE SPACE WITH SOME GREEN AREAS.
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WISH, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.THE ISSUE IS THAT IF ANY OF THE AREA IS NOT PAVED IT, THE WHOLE THING BECOMES A FLOODPLAIN.
IT, IT ALREADY IS A FLOODPLAIN.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO SEVERE FLOODING, WHICH IS WHY THE OWNERS, AND THEY'VE REALLY DONE, UM, A PHENOMENAL JOB.
I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR CLOSE TO TWO YEARS, TRYING TO ASSIST THEM BECAUSE THEY LOST ALL OF THEIR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IN THE BASEMENT BECAUSE OF MASSIVE FLOOD THAT WENT UP TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY RELOCATING ALL OF THE MECHANICALS UP TO THE FIRST FLOOR SO THAT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S GONNA POTENTIALLY HAPPEN AGAIN.
UM, SO ANY TYPE OF THIS IS FROM THE FORESTRY OFFICER, ANY TYPE OF PLANTING THERE IS SUBJECT TO FAILURE BECAUSE OF THE MASS AMOUNT OF FLOODING AND IT DOESN'T DISSIPATE QUICKLY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE PROPOSING PLANT PLANTERS.
SO THE BUILDING A BATHTUB DOWNSTAIRS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE ONLY THING I WAS LOOKING AT WHEN I SAW THIS, I SAID, WHY IS THIS NOT A BEDROOM? I'VE MADE IT INTO, I HAVE THREE ON THIS SIDE.
I, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA USE IT.
ANYONE ELSE WANNA ASK ANY QUESTIONS UP HERE? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? ANYBODY OUT THERE? NO.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA ADD?
WHY IS ONE OF THE, UH, ROOMS A, A DEN? BECAUSE OF THE SIZE? THE SIZE AND THE NEW YORK STATE, UH, MAINTENANCE CODE DOESN'T ALLOW TO HAVE A ROOM LESS THAN SEVEN FEET.
OH, THE WIDTH SEVEN FEET AND THIS ONE IS SEVEN FEET BY 10 OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND IF YOU SEE THE CONFIGURATION, THE NEW CONFIGURATION OF THE BUILDING, I WILL SAY AS AN ARCHITECT, THAT IS A VERY GOOD CONFIGURATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IMPROVING THE BUILDING ITSELF IN A VERY WELL,
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UH, WAY.AND, AND THE LAST PART OF THIS ONE IS THE PARKING.
THEY NOTICE BECAUSE WE IMPROVE NOT ONLY THE BASEMENT, WE REMOVE EVERYTHING AS, AS, AS PER THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND WE FOLLOW ALL OF THE DIRECTIONS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
WE FOLLOW ALL OF DIRECTIONS OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND I THINK WE ARE DOING A VERY, VERY GOOD JOB AND A VERY BIG INVESTMENT FROM MY CLIENTS THAT I'VE, THEY HAVE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY TO RENOVATE THIS BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH THE SITUATION OF THAT, UNFORTUNATELY IN BEING A NONCONFORMING BUILDING IN AN INDUSTRIAL LIFE, UNFORTUNATELY WE CAN DO SO MUCH THINGS, BUT AT LEAST WE ARE IMPROVING THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO KEEP THE BUILDING IN A VERY GOOD CONDITION AND A VERY IN, IN A VERY GOOD WAY.
UM, IF, IF, YOU KNOW, WHAT YEAR WAS THE BUILDING BUILT IN? LET ME CHECK.
IT'S, I THINK IT'S LIKE 1946 OR 1936, SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
IT PREDATED THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
IT'S, IT'S IT'S PREVIOUS, YEAH, IT'S PRE 1945.
AND THE FOOTPRINT'S NOT CHANGING.
THE FOOTPRINT HASN'T CHANGED, UM, SINCE THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED.
THE OWNER WOULD BE, YES, SHE'S THE OWNER.
UH, HI, MY NAME IS VICTORIA RE UM, THIS, UH, I'M, I'M SORRY.
I KNOW YOU GUYS WHEN YOU WORK, BUT THIS THING TAKES SO MUCH TIME AND HONESTLY, I, I DO A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT IN THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS, AS, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, I'M THE OWNER OF THE OTHER SIDE.
AND ALSO THEY GIMME HARD TIME WHEN I'M TRYING TO DO THE REASON THAT I BOUGHT THE OTHER PLACE.
I HAVE A VERY SUCCESS BUSINESS IN WHITE PLAINS AS A PERUVIAN RESTAURANT.
SO I VOTED A, THAT RESTAURANT THINKING AND MAKING SOMETHING HUGE, SOMETHING NICE.
BUT I ENDED UP IN THE SAME SITUATION THAT I'M HERE RIGHT NOW.
THEY DON'T ALLOW ME, THEY GIMME SO HARD TIME THAT I ENDED UP OPENING AFTER TWO YEARS.
AND YOU GUYS NEED TO UNDERSTAND, FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, MAYBE THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM, BUT WITH PEOPLE COMING WITH, LIKE, US WORKING FROM ZERO, MAKING MORTGAGE PAYMENT, AND THIS PROPERTY, I ALSO BUYING IS FOR THE PURPOSE THAT I, I HAVE MY SPACE TO PARK AND I DON'T HAVE DEAL WITH THE NEIGHBOR.
WE, WE MAKING SUCH A EFFORT TO BUY THIS PROPERTY, AND THEY'RE UP IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE SOME TENANTS MAKE AN ISSUE OR WHATEVER HAPPENED.
AND THE BIG PROBLEM ALSO THAT WE NEED TO BUILD THIS PROPERTY AND ALSO PAYING MORTGAGE AT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S NOT MORTGAGE THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA PAY ME, I GOTTA PUT FROM MY POCKET, AND IT'S MORE THAN 16 MONTHS ALREADY WAITING FOR SOMETHING HAPPEN.
THEY LET ME DO WHAT I HAVE TO DO.
WE FIXING, WE MAKING EVERYTHING INSIDE THE BUILDING AS WELL AS OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
WE ARE COME IN SO MANY MEETINGS TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS WANT IT OR THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING WANTED, BUT I STILL DON'T GET PROGRESS.
SO I HAVE TO HAVE A POINT THAT YOU GUYS LET US OPEN THIS OR MAKE, KEEP GOING IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, OPEN THIS BUILDING BECAUSE YOU KILLING ME AT THIS POINT.
HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EASY TO FIND $5,000 TO PAY A MORTGAGE.
I HAVE A COUPLE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA THAT HAVE PROBLEMS TOO, AND TAKE HIM FOREVER.
IF SOMEONE JUST RELY IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE SALARY, IT'S VERY HARD.
IT'S VERY, SO I, I, THE OTHER THING IS, AS SHE SAID, BASICALLY THE BUILDING IS VACANT FOR PRACTICALLY TWO YEARS, ALMOST TWO YEARS, ALMOST TWO YEARS.
AND WE START THE PROCESS, UH, BUILDING APARTMENT.
I WILL SAY THAT THEY BUILDING APARTMENT LEASE, ESPECIALLY, SHE'S VERY FOCUSED ON HELP US.
BUT WE FOLLOW ALL OF THE DIRECTIONS.
WE DID ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS FOR LIKE A NEW BUILDING.
AND IN THIS CASE IT'S JUST TO SURFACING THE, THE, THE GARAGE, THE, IN THE PARKING, THE PARKING SPACE.
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WENT TO THE SONY, THE, THE SITE PLAN.WE WENT TO THE, WERE WETLANDS.
WE WENT TO ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS FOR A NEW BUILDING.
AND THIS TIME, AND THIS IS THE LAST, THIS IS THE LAST BUT TWO YEARS MORE, MORE OR LESS TWO YEARS TO, TO DO IT.
AND THE FACT IS THAT IS IS TRUE TWO YEARS VACANT, TWO YEARS THAT THEY TRY TO KEEP IT WITHOUT ANY INCOME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY.
IT'S A THREE, THREE APARTMENTS AND, AND COMMERCIAL SPACE.
AND IN THIS, THE ONLY THING THAT WE WANNA DO IS TRY TO FINISH THE PROCESS AND TRY TO OVERCOME THE SITUATION, THE, THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP THAT THEY HAVE WITH THE MORTGAGES AND, YOU KNOW, SO ON.
BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, ANY VACANT, UH, PROPERTY IS VERY COMPLICATED TO HANDLE.
EVEN THE, THE PROPERTY DIDN'T HAVE ELECTRICITY, WATER, AND GAS FOR LIKE EIGHT MONTHS UNTIL WE GOT THE PERMITS.
AND WE START WORKING ON, AND WE DIVIDE THE PROPOSAL IN ORDER TO START WORKING ON THE BUILDING AND THEN TO DO THE, THE, THE PARKING SPACE.
SO WE WENT TO WETLANDS AND CYCL PLAN AND, UH, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG JOURNEY.
AND, AND WE JUST WANNA ASK YOU, PLEASE HELP US WITH, WITH THIS, UH, I WOULD SAY IT IS NOT LITTLE, BUT IT'S A, UH, THE LESS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE WANNA TRY TO APPROVE IN ORDER TO FINALIZE THE IMPROVEMENT OF THAT BUILDING.
YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UH, HAVING US HERE AND YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO OKAY.
WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO OUR DELIBERATIONS AT THIS POINT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER ONE? NO, NO.
SO ARE WE DELIBERATING HERE? IT'S POSTPONED.
ARE WE DELIBERATING HERE? YES, WE CAN, IF YOU WANT.
I THINK ED LIKES US TO GO DOWN THERE.
SPROUTS ASKED FOR A DELAY, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE DO TOO.
WHO WANTS TO, UH, I'LL SURPRISE EVERYBODY.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE FIRST DUNCAN SIGN, THE ONE ON THE WALL.
I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THAT VARIANCE, HOWEVER.
OH, YOU WANT ME TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ONE? YEAH, I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T THINK AN EFFORT WAS MADE TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THAT.
IT, IT DOESN'T, AS PETER SAID, IF THERE'S A LOT OF NEGATIVE SPACE THAT DOESN'T EXIST ON THE BIGGER ONE, AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN LESS INTRUSIVE, IT COULD HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO WHAT'S LEGAL.
AND IT WAS JUST, THIS IS AN I WANT VERSUS AN I NEED.
SO I WENT THROUGH THE SIGN AND LOOKED AT IT SIZING, YOU KNOW, I DESIGNED SIGNS.
I USED TO DO THAT FOR A LIVING, DESIGNING, UM, WITH KEEPING THE FONT AT THE SAME HEIGHT WITH 11 INCHES, YOU COULD MAYBE SAVE FOUR TO FIVE INCHES.
LIKE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE STILL TALKING ADDITIONAL 10 FEET.
LIKE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SAVE A LOT BY CLOSING THAT UP.
OH, I THINK, WE'LL, JUST BECAUSE IT'S STACKED.
IF YOU GO, IF YOU, IF YOU CHANGE IT TO WHAT'S ON THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THEN THEY'RE GONNA NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE LENGTH OF THE SIGN.
IT'S NOT EVEN GONNA FIT IN THE SPACE.
SO WHEN THE STACKED LETTERS ARE READABLE FROM THE STREET, I MEAN, WE CAN GO BACK AND WE CAN
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ASK THEM TO DO THAT.I MEAN, THERE IS MORE WHITE SPACE IN DUNKING DONUTS THAN THERE IS IN JIMMY JOHN'S.
I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO BE REALISTIC IS LIKE, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE TALKING LIKE INCHES.
AND YEAH, I THINK WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I, I, I, I'M, OKAY.
I MEAN, WE, THEY REMOVED THE SIGN ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS WHAT WE ASKED THEM, LIKE THREE SIGNS.
LIKE, IT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF SPACE.
I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, I'M OKAY WITH IT THE WAY IT IS.
UM, BUT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO GO BACK AND ASK THEM TO DO MORE WORK ON THAT SECOND SIGN, WE CAN DO THAT.
I, I, I JUST WANNA RESPOND BY SAYING, BY REMOVING THE REQUEST FOR THE THIRD SIGN, THE THIRD SIGN WAS NOT AT ALL, YOU KNOW, IS NOT WHAT COMES AS OF RIGHT.
I DON'T FEEL LIKE GIVING A GOLD STAR FOR DOING THAT.
SO YOU WERE SAYING THAT, UH, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT HAS MORE THAN ONE MUNICIPALITY, UH, GOVERNING THE SIGN SIGNAGE SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN INTO EFFECT.
SEE, WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE SIGNAGE THAT WE HAVE IN GENERAL, I LIKE THE FACT THAT WE TRY TO, UH, BE UNIFORM THROUGHOUT OUR AREA AND KEEP IT, UM, WITHIN OUR GUIDELINES.
UM, IF WE CANNOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE PARTICULAR LOCATION OF THIS SIGN, THEN I SUPPOSE WE HAVE TO BE, WE HAVE TO TRY TO KEEP IT TO WHAT OUR AGREEMENT IS.
I DO BUY THE ARGUMENT OF THE PERSON WHO DESIGNED THE SIGN THAT ON THIS STREET, IN THIS LOCATION, THIS SIGN WORKS AND IS NOT OUT OF PLACE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR RULES ARE AS FAR AS HOW MUCH WEIGHT WE COULD PUT ON THAT.
WELL, CENTRAL AVENUE, MOST OF THE CENTRAL AVENUE IS.
YEAH, BUT WE GET A LOT OF, WE GET A LOT OF SIGNS OVER THERE.
NO, NO, BUT IT'S EITHER GREENBURG OR IT'S YONKERS OR IT'S WHITE PLAINS.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TWO MUNICIPALITIES.
I MEAN, LOOK, THIS IS A CHAOTIC BLOCK.
THIS, THIS, THIS PART OF ELMSFORD IS CHAOS FROM A, WELL, THE ONE WE HAVE NOW IS CHAOS BECAUSE YOU WALK A FEW PLACES AND YOU'RE IN WHITE PLAINS ON THOSE, YOU KNOW, I, THOSE, YEAH.
WE HAVE TURNED DOWN SIGNS FOR BEING EXTRA LARGE WHERE THEY WERE SET BACK IN A SHOPPING MALL AND YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IT.
THIS, THE SIGN ON THE WALL IS NOT THAT FAR FROM THE STREET, WHICH IS THE 30 INCH LETTERS.
I MEAN, OF COURSE, AS OF RIGHT, THEY CAN HAVE A SIGN.
UM, BUT I JUST, I JUST THINK THIS IS, UM, OVERKILL AT THE LOCATION.
I DON'T, I THINK THE SIGN IS JUST, IT'S ILLUMINATED.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND THERE ARE MANY SI THERE ARE JUST AS MANY SIGNS THAT ARE WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS THERE ARE WITHOUT PROBABLY MORE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T THINK THE ARGUMENT WAS COMPELLING.
BUT I THINK THE SIGN HAS DESIGNED FOR THE SPACE MAKE SENSE TO ME.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO EXPORT THAT, UH, VARIANCE TO OTHER PARTS OF OUR AREA.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.
YOU CAN ALWAYS, UM, DIFFERENTIATE THIS AREA FROM OTHER AREAS.
FIT IN THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? IT'S A VERY DISTINCTIVE AREA.
THIS IS A VERY HEAVILY TRAVELED COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, EVEN MORE SO THAN CENTRAL AVENUE, JUST WITH THE HIGHWAYS AND THE TRUCK TRAFFIC.
AND UM, YOU CAN EVEN SAY IT'S TWO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
I MEAN, IF YOU WANTED TO FIND A WAY TO JUSTIFY IT, SEE, I'M HELPING YOUR ARGUMENT.
EVEN THOUGH I DON'T AGREE WITH IT, I, I, I, I, I'M WILLING TO, I MEAN, THAT'S AN ARGUMENT.
IT'S, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES.
IF YOU WANTED TO SAY THAT, CHRISTIE.
WELL, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE FOUR VOTES.
I DON'T I KNOW YOU HAVE THREE.
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THINK WE HAVE FOUR.UH, YOU KNOW ME, I'M SKINNY ON SIGNS.
YOU'RE WHAT? I'M SKINNY ON SIGNS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE LOSE BY SENDING THEM BACK.
IF THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT I, EVERYWHERE.
I MEAN, DUNKING IS, DUNKING IS DUNKING, YOU KNOW, AND EVERYBODY LIKES TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT MAKES IT LOOK GLAMOROUS.
AND THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT IT.
GOTTA BE WELL FOR TWO IT'S GLAMOR.
OKAY, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT READABILITY.
LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT, I MEAN, THE SIGN BEFORE WAS JUST DUNKING.
NOW YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE MANY MORE, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT DUNCAN, YOU'VE GOT JIMMY JOHN'S, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT SANDWICHES.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT SANDWICHES.
I, I DON'T THINK FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GET IT USING THAT REALISTICALLY MUCH SMALLER THAN IT IS NOW.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THE WORD SANDWICHES IS DOING A WHOLE LOT THERE, PERIOD.
WELL, AND, AND THERE'S A BUSINESS CASE FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A KNOWN BRAND.
SO I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
SO PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SANDWICHES.
YOU KNOW, THEY THINK OF DUNKIN, THEY THINK OF DONUTS, YOU KNOW, JIMMY JOHN'S COULD BE SAUSAGES.
I THINK
I MEAN THAT'S WAS KIND OF MY JOKE OF THAT.
SO I COULD SEE WHERE THEY MADE THE BUSINESS CASE FOR THE WORD SANDWICHES, RIGHT? YEAH, FOR SURE.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE OF THE EXISTING SIGN WHERE THE SIGNS ARE MORE OR LESS THE SAME SIZE IT LOOK, MY GUESS IS THAT THIS SIGN IS GOING TO BE REALLY BIG.
I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, THE SAME WAY THAT YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS SIGN IS NOT ENORMOUS.
THIS SIGN IS GONNA BE TWICE AS AS HIGH.
WELL, NOT THE HEIGHT IS THE SAME.
THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN IS NOT THE SAME.
THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR A HEIGHT VARIANCE.
HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WALL SIGN.
OH, YOU'RE ABOUT, NO, I'M NOT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SIGN ON THE STREET.
WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA GO UP HIGHER, BUT IT'S GONNA BE BIGGER SQUARE.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA 75% BIGGER SQUARE THIS SIGN.
BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE HIGHER OFF.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE RAISED HIGHER OFF THE, IT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER SIGN, INCLUDING SIGNIFICANTLY DRAMATIC, TALLER.
THE SIGN ITSELF, NOT THE SIGN FROM THE GROUND.
NO, THE SIGN ITSELF WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY BIGGER.
I CAN'T THINK OF ANY SIGN LIKE THAT ON THIS BLOCK.
UM, I MEAN, I LOOK AT THE LAYOUT AND I SAY, OH, THAT'S FINE.
I LOOK AT, I, I TRY TO PICTURE IT WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION? WHAT'S THE ABSOLUTE HEIGHT OF THIS SIGN VERSUS THE ABSOLUTE HEIGHT OF THE YEAH, IT'S ON HERE.
THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE YARD SIGN IS FIVE FEET 10 AND THREE QUARTERS HIGH AND FIVE 11 AND A HALF WIDE SQUARE FOR THE, UM, THESE DIMENSIONS ARE SO SMALL.
UM, I, THAT WAS MY PROBLEM TOO.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE PYLON, IT'S THE WALL.
WAIT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PYLON SIGN? NO, NO, I'M COMPARING THEM.
NOW THE, THE, UM, WALL SIGN, UM, THE DIMENSIONS, IF IT'S HERE, IT'S MEANT FOR BETTER EYES THAN MINE.
UM, BUT I SEE HANDWRITTEN 130 INCHES BY 58 INCHES, WHICH IS LIKE 11 FEET BY JUST UNDER SIX FEET, FIVE FEET.
AND ABOUT, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THAT BOTH SIGNS ARE APPROXIMATELY FIVE, SIX FEET HIGH.
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FOR, FOR A PLACE THAT'S NOT SET BACK.HOW MUCH WASIER WASIER CAN I BE HERE?
I'M, I'M, I'M LESS FOR IT THAN I WAS A MINUTE AGO.
I CAN'T SEE THE WIDTH NUMBER THAT'S WRITTEN ON HERE.
THIS IS ONE OF THE TIMES WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE IT POSTED.
YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY MAKE FIVE, 11 AND A HALF, ISN'T IT? THEY SHOW IT AS GOLD ON THE STREET.
THE GAS STATIONS AND THEY COME UP WITH THEIR SIGNS AND THEN WE SHOW IT.
AND WE, SO IF THE NUMBERS WRITTEN IN RED, ARE THE, IF THE NUMBER NUMBERS WERE HANDWRITTEN IN BLACK ARE THE DIMENSION NUMBERS, WHICH I THINK THEY MIGHT BE YEAH, IT'S LIKE 11 BY FIVE SOMETHING.
AND THE OTHER SIGNS ARE APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET BY SIX FEET IS THE STREET SIGN THAT YARD SIGN? THAT'S A BIG SIGN.
WE FIGURE OUT IT'S ALMOST, IT'S FIVE 11, RIGHT? YEAH.
FIVE FIVE TAB LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND THE AND THE OTHER SIGN ABOUT THE SAME.
THIS MAY, THIS MAY BE IF YOU BRING IN THE SIDE, LIKE IF YOU END BY ME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU END AT CHRISTIE, THAT MAY BE ABOUT THE SIGN OF THE YARD SIGN SIX BY SIX, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
HOW TALL ARE YOU? YOU'RE PROBABLY WHAT, SIX TWO? I WAS ONCE
ME, NO, I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE IS LOOKING AT THIS DOESN'T TELL ME THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, BUT IF IT'S, YOU KNOW HOW WHEN WE HAD THE GAS STATIONS AND THEY WOULD PUT UP THE SIGN AND THAT, THAT'S FURTHER UP THE ROAD THERE.
AND WHEN YOU ACTUALLY SEE IT COMPARED TO WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE AND WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP, YOU KNOW, THERE SHE, SHE'S GONNA DO IT FOR US.
DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE SIGN.
AND THAT'S BIG RIGHT ON THE STREET LIKE THAT.
I DISAGREE, BUT I MEAN, IF IT WAS, IF IN THE SHOPPING MALL, LIKE THEY HAVE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES, THEY'RE MUCH BIGGER.
AND THIS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THEY NOW HAVE ESSENTIALLY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONE BUSINESS, THERE ARE TWO FOOD OFFERINGS.
SO, BUT FOR SHOPPING MALL, YOU'VE GOT BUILDINGS WAY BACK.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEED SOMETHING SO BIG.
I, IT, I THINK IT'S WELL DESIGNED.
LIKE I, I SAID, OH, IT'S WELL DESIGNED.
IT'S JUST THE QUESTION OF THE SIZE OF IT.
I MEAN, THEY ESSENTIALLY, WE ASKED 'EM TO LOOK AT IT.
THEY CAME BACK WITH KIND OF ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE PROPOSALS.
SO I MEAN, IF YOU WANT THEM TO EXPLORE FURTHER, THEN YOU, IS IT THE THREE ARE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FOUR VOTES, THEN YOU GUYS HAVE TO GO BACK AND ASK THEM TO DO THAT.
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I, I, I WILL SAY I THINK THEY DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE BUILDING SIGN.I THINK THAT'S, THAT ONE CAME OUT GREAT.
SO WE CAN ONLY APPROVE WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF US.
WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SHRINK IT.
AND WE NEED FOUR PEOPLE TO MAKE THIS PATH.
WE DON'T HAVE, EVEN IF I, NO MATTER HOW WISHY-WASHY I AM, WE DON'T HAVE MORE PEOPLE.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH WAY BECAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T WORK.
I I, I HATE TO MAKE THIS GO ON.
I JUST, SO DO I, I JUST, JUST DON'T WANT TO.
WELL, IF WE'RE GONNA, YOU HAVE A CHOICE, YOU CAN APPROVE THE ONE OVER THE DOOR.
YOU CAN DENY THE WHOLE THING, OR YOU CAN ASK WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO? CAN WE, WE CAN APPROVE PERSONALLY, I FOR THIS, THIS, THIS.
SO BETWEEN THE THREE OF YOU, SINCE WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA BE THE ONES HERE NEXT MONTH, YOU NEED TO DECIDE WHAT IT IS YOU WANT THEM TO DO.
CAN, CAN WE APPROVE SPECIFICALLY SO THEY KNOW, CAN WE APPROVE ONE AND ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH THE OTHER? I DUNNO.
YOU CAN, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S COMPLICATED BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE WRITING TWO DECISIONS.
AND, UH, IT'S EASIER JUST TO GRANT AND OR PUT OVER.
BUT FOR A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, WE HAVE TO GIVE A, A REAL CLEAR INDICATION OF WHAT, IF WE'RE PUTTING OVER, WE, WHAT, WHAT WILL MAKE US CHANGE OUR MINDS? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU SAY YOU HEARD, YOU HEARD OUR DISCUSSION, BUT KIRA WILL BE SENDING OUT A LETTER.
TYPICALLY IT SAYS WHAT THE ZONING BOARD IS ASKING THEM TO DO OR IS LOOKING FOR IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR WHETHER YOU HAVE A DESIRE FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO DO? I WANT THEM TO EXPLORE, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO EXPLORE WAYS TO REDUCE THE YARD SIGN.
AND I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY THE WALL SIGN IS.
BUT, BUT, BUT WHAT PERCENTAGE DO YOU WANT THE YARD SIGN REDUCED? I MEAN, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 175%.
ARE YOU INCLINED TO DO 133% OR I'D, I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH LESS THAN 150%.
SOMETHING LESS THAN A, AN EVE.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH.
BRINGING IT DOWN SOME, I'M JUST, AND I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT EVEN THOUGH I'M, AGAIN, I'M SORRY TO MAKE THIS GO ON.
YEAH, IT DO YOU KNOW WHAT? WE DON'T, I COULD SAY, SAY THE SAME THING.
I COULD SAY I'M THE PROBLEM CHARACTER TOO, YOU KNOW, SO, YEAH.
IF THERE WERE FOUR VOTES YOU WOULD SWING, BUT IT, IT'S MOOT.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IF THREE OUTTA FIVE ARE UNCOMFORTABLE, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD, SHOULD NOT JUST RUN THROUGH.
SO KIRA, YOU GOT WHAT YOU NEED? OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE AT THE NEXT ONE.
THE NEW BUILDING, WHAT? 25 0 5.
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IT'S 25 0 5.OH, LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS JUST FOR MY OWN KNOWLEDGE.
SO IT HAS IN THERE THAT IT IS, UM, BECAUSE IT IS CONVERTING IT FROM A COMMERCIAL SPACE TO A RESIDENTIAL SPACE, IT NEEDS SPRINKLERS.
BUT IT DOESN'T NEED A USE CASE VARIANCE.
WHY DOES, CAN I THAT, JUST FOR MY OWN KNOWLEDGE, WHY DOESN'T IT, SO IT'S A PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMITY THAT, UM, IN 2018, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUED A SUB C FOR THE THREE UNITS.
A SUBSTITUTE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
UM, SO THE USE HAS BEEN, IF YOU WILL, GRANDFATHERED IN AND HAS BEEN LEGALIZED.
UM, I'M, I'M ALSO FOR THIS, UM, I, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD, UM, PUT IN THE STIPULATION, WHICH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE PLANTERS DISCUSSED ARE ON THE PLANS OR NOT, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, WE SHOULD PUT THAT STIPULATION IN.
AND, UM, THAT WOULD KIND OF BE MY, AND, AND THE FACT THAT I KNOW THAT ON THE PLANS THAT EVERYTHING WAS MOVED UPSTAIRS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE, AGAIN, IT'S ACCORDING TO PLANS, BUT YEAH, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MENTION THAT IN OUR FINDINGS.
THE, THE PLANTERS ARE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED.
YOU WANT THE TREES ON THERE TOO? DO YOU MEAN THE EXISTING TREES? THERE'S, THERE'S NO TREES AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE ARE, THEY'RE ON THE BACK CORNERS, BUT THE DUMPSTER, I DON'T PART, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ALLOWED TO THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE THAT'S THE NEIGHBOR'S.
THIS IS A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERED WITH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE NOW.
WELL, THE, SO THE, THE, UM, JUST GIVE A HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANTS WERE UNAWARE THEY WERE TRYING TO IMPROVE A DAMAGED PARKING LOT.
THEY TOOK IT UP, UH, UNWITTINGLY.
UM, WE ISSUED A STOP WORK ORDER.
THEY HAVE COMPLIED EVER SINCE.
THE PROPERTY WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT PAVED AT THE TIME THAT WE, THERE'S ONE TREE.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE ANY TREES WHEN I LOOKED AT GOOGLE EARTH.
YOU KNOW ME, I'M THE TREE HUGGER HERE.
LIKE THERE'S LIKE THE ONE TREE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING TO THAT TREE.
BUT IS THAT THEIRS OR THE NEIGHBOR'S? THAT THIS ONE IS? THIS ONE IS, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S, IT'S GROWING IN BETWEEN ON THE, IT'S GROWING INSIDE THE, UH, RAILING.
BUT THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S INSIDE.
BUT THEY HAVE A PRETTY SERIOUS TREE POLICY HERE IN GREENBERG.
SO IF IT IS THEIR TREE, IT'LL BELIEVE ME, THEY'LL MARK IT AND YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONE CHARGE YOU TO TAKE IT DOWN
BUT I, I THINK BECAUSE THE ZONING OR WHATEVER VARIANCE WE GRANT, BECAUSE IT LASTS IN PERPETUITY, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD SPECIFY THE PLANTERS IN THE BACK, IN THE FRONT, ON THE SIDE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE OWNERS ARE HERE NOW, BUT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, THEY MAY BE MOVING ON UP AND YEAH.
AND THAT THE, THAT WHATEVER'S PUT IN THE PLANTERS SHOULD, YOU KNOW, BE ALIVE.
WELL, UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT THE FOREST OFF THE FORESTRY OFFICER SAYS, YOU KNOW, BUT YES, BE ALIVE.
BE MORE THAN FLAT SPRING FLOWERS AND MAINTAIN.
WHO'S WRITING THESE? WE USUALLY DECIDE THAT AT THIS POINT ON WHO'S GONNA WRITE THINGS UP? KIRA'S WRITING ONE.
AND BECAUSE WE HAVE TO INCLUDE THE PLANTERS OR SOMETHING, SHOULD IT BE BECAUSE WE'RE INCLUDING THE PLANTERS IN THIS ED? SHOULD WE WRITE IT UP OR SHOULD WE HAVE THE OFFICE WRITE UP THE DETAIL OF
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IT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, DID I HEAR THAT THE PLANTERS ARE, ARE, ARE SHOWN ON THE YES.ALRIGHT, SO YOU SAY PLANTERS SHALL BE INSTALLED AS SHOWN ON THE PLANS DATED, WHICH ARE ALREADY RIGHT.
PROBABLY YOU COULD HAVE A CONDITION THAT REQUIRING SPRINKLER SINCE IT'S A CHANGE, AND THAT WILL REQUIRE THAT THE, THE WHOLE BUILDING BE SPRINKLER
WELL, IS THAT THE, WE DON'T HAVE, IS THAT PART OF THE ZONING THING OR NO, THAT'S PART OF THE BUILDING.
WELL, IT'S, IT'S IN THE NOTES, BUT YEAH, I DON'T, I DIDN'T THINK, I THINK IT WAS THAT AND THAT THE, UM, PER THE PLANS THAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE HEATING SYSTEM AND ALL THAT HAS TO BE PUT ON THE FIRST FLOOR VERSUS THE BASEMENT OR HAS TO BE MOVED UP FOR FLOODING PER THE PLANS, THAT'S ALL.
BUT WE WOULDN'T PUT THAT IN OUR ZONING FROM, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO PUT IT UNLESS ED SAYS IT'S IN THE PLANS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT ON STIPULATION.
IT'S IN THE YEAH, IT'S ON THE PLAN.
BUT WOULDN'T THAT BE PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT? YEAH.
YEAH, IT'S PART OF THE SITE PLAN.
I WOULD SAY THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T.
THERE'S NOTHING ON HOLDOVER FROM THE PLANNING BOARD OR ANYTHING.
ONCE THIS IS GRANTED WE'LL BACK.
SO IT'S NOT THE END GOES BACK THE PLANNING BOARD.
YOU'RE GONNA COME BACK PLEASE? I AM.
I'M GONNA HIT THE ONE IN WHITE.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S NUMBER ONE.
SO WE WANNA GO BACK ON THE RECORD OR? YEAH, I NEED TO GET, OKAY.
DID YOU ASK ME IF I HAD A MOTION? WELL, NO, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.
SHE'S GOTTA GET THE LUKE, YOU'RE STILL THERE? NOT HERE.
OH, HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE TOWN BOARD YET? YEAH, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO.
DO WE NEED TO, THIS IS OUR DISCUSS SOMETHING ELSE.
I GOT AN EMAIL SAYING I HAD TO FILL IT OUT AND WE ARE BACK WITH OUR RESULTS OF OUR DELIBERATIONS AND 26 0 2 OMAR HOLDINGS, LLC DUNCAN, JIMMY JOHN'S IS ADJOURNED TO THE APRIL 16TH.
APRIL 16TH TO ALL FOR ALL PURPOSES.
AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE IS CASE 26 0 4 SMRR REALTY,
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LLC LINGO, ONE C-A-C-S-I-R-E.THAT'S 2 0 5 SELMA RIVER ROAD ELMSFORD.
AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO C COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRE NO FURTHER SECRET A CONSIDERATION.
AND MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 26 0 4 BE GRANTED.
PROVIDED THAT ONE THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE, SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
TWO CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED JUNE 27TH, 2025, INCLUDING THE PLANTERS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.
THREE, THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.
ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES.
EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, AND OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN, THE FINDINGS WILL BE AVAILABLE ON FOR A SECOND.
THE FINDINGS WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE SHORTLY AFTER THE MEETING.
AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU ALL AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE ONE MORE DAY AND IT'S SPRING