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UH, WELCOME EVERYBODY TO OUR TOWN BOARD, UH, MEETING TODAY IS MARCH 24TH AND IT'S 5 37.
WHAT'S GOING ON? WHAT HAPPEN? OH, LET'S START AGAIN.
UH, TODAY IS MARCH 24TH, AND IT'S 5 38.
AND, UM, OUR FIRST ITEM IS, UM, A FOLLOW UP TO THE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS FROM THE FORENSIC REPORT.
AND WE'RE GONNA, UM, UH, HERE FROM RICH FN, WHO'S COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
RICH FA, LIEUTENANT GREENBERG, COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, AT LEAST FOR LITTLE CLOSER.
A LITTLE CLOSER, YOU KNOW, JUST, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE.
HOW ABOUT THAT MOMENTS LAST ROUGH NEXT YEAR.
SO HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT THAT? SO, THE, UH, FORENSIC AUDIT THAT WAS DONE BY THE TOWN POINTED OUT SOME DEFICIENCIES IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT, UH, WITH THE GREAT HELP OF OUR CONTROLLER'S OFFICE, WHICH ARE, THEY'RE A FANTASTIC TEAM UP THERE.
UH, ALL THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN PUT TO, TO REST AND CORRECTED.
THERE WAS A MEMORANDUM THAT WENT OUT, UH, SOME, OH GOD, FEBRUARY 6TH ALREADY.
UH, THAT OUTLINED EACH OF THE CORRECTIVE ACTIONS THAT ARE NOW IN PLACE.
UM, I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW.
AND WE WENT OVER ALSO THE CAPITALISTS WARRANT TO FURTHER, UH, TALK ABOUT THE ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE GONNA GET DONE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF WATER AND SEWER, SO THAT AFTER THE COMING YEAR, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE REAL, UH, BASICALLY ACCOUNTING OF ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER THE GROUND.
SO YOU SAID YOU MET TODAY WITH THE CAPITAL.
CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT ONE MORE TIME? SO, IS THERE A LIST OF STUFF THAT, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE GOING, WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON GOING FORWARD? JUST I'M NOT UNDER, YES.
WE REGARD WATER, WATER TOWN WIDE MM-HMM
AND SO IS THERE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH, UM, IT WOULD TAKE TO RECOUP, UM, COLLECTED MONIES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE? IF WE WOULD HAVE ADOPTED IT WHEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE RATE INCREASES THAT I'D HAVE TO TALK TO KIMBERLY OR JONATHAN.
BUT I KNOW THE PLAN IN PLACE TAKES US THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, SO THE TOWN WILL BE IN CLUNKY.
WILL WE BE ABLE TO DO THE FAIRVIEW WATER TANK WITH THAT? IT'S THE HOPE.
YOU SAID THAT'S THE HOPE? MM-HMM
AND THE NORWOOD PUMP STATION, THE NO WOOD STATION IS MOVING ALONG.
SO THE, THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, THE, THE, THE BIGGEST PROJECTS ON THE HORIZON ARE THE ONE TANK THAT'S LEFT IN THE, THE SYSTEM THAT'S NOT COMPLETE.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE FAIRVIEW? YEP.
THAT'S A NEW TANK AND THEN A DEMOLITION OF THE OLD TANK.
WILL BE A NEW TANK, AND THEN WE'RE NOT REPLACING A NEW TANK.
AND THEN THE DEMOLITION OF THE OLDER TANK.
UH, THE NORWOOD PUMP STATION REPLACEMENT, THIS IS A 1950S STRUCTURE AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'LL BE MOVED ACROSS THE STREET TO WHERE THE NEW CONTACT TANK AND CHEMICAL FEED BUILDING IS.
AND THEN THERE'S CERTAIN WATER MAIN PROJECTS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST IS HIGH POINT ROAD
UM, AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW IT CAME TO THIS PORT SOME YEARS AGO ABOUT THE ENGINEERING TEAM, WHICH WAS NOT EXISTENT.
UH, AARON HARWOOD IS, UH, OUR MOST SENIOR ENGINEER, AND HE'S BEEN THERE A LITTLE OVER FOUR YEAR, ALMOST FIVE YEARS NOW.
HE'S THE MOST SENIOR OF THE DEPARTMENT.
MOST OF THE OTHER STAFF MATES HAVE ONLY BEEN THERE A FEW YEARS.
SO YOU HAVE A STRONG TEAM THERE.
UM, AND THEY'VE REALLY, OVER THE LAST YEAR, DUG INTO THE CAPITOL AND THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE PLANS IN PLACE.
YOUR TOWN ENGINEER IS VERY WELL THOUGHT AND, UH, I REALLY BELIEVE YOU'RE IN A VERY GOOD PLACE.
IS HE GOING SOMEWHERE? ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I THINK HE'S RETIRED.
IS HE, IS HE GOING SOMEWHERE? 'CAUSE YOU, YOU SOUND SO SOMBER.
ARE YOU LEAVING? I, I HAVE TO SAY THERE SOMETHING GOING ON.
I, THIS WILL BE MY LAST HURRAH TONIGHT.
UM, I, IT HAS BEEN MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE, AND I THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THE TRUST IN ME TO DO THIS JOB.
I GREW UP IN THE TOWN I, THE HIGH SCHOOL CLASS 85, FRANCIS.
BUT IT'S BEEN A, A, AN ABSOLUTE JOY.
AND IT'S AFFORDED ME, I'M GONNA GET TEARED UP, THE ABILITY TO, UH, TAKE CARE
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OF MY FAMILY AND GET A NICE RETIREMENT AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S TIME.WELL LISTEN SOME BENEFITS TO RETIREMENT.
LISTEN, I, I, I, I KNOW I SAY THIS JOB, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT THE COMMISSIONER JOB.
IT'S THE PEOPLE YOU GOT WORKING FOR THIS TOWN.
THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, LAST NIGHT, THE WATER MAIN BREAK.
YOU KNOW, I LOOK TO JOE, WHO'S KIND OF NEW TO THE TOWN A LITTLE BIT, KIND OF NEW.
THE TEAM JOE'S PUT TOGETHER DOWN THERE WITH AMANDA AND, AND FRANK AND LIZ AND CJ.
YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, THE WATER DEPARTMENT.
ANDY, STEVE, YOU'VE GOT SUCH A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE WORKING.
YOU, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOLLY BEFORE.
I SAID I WOULDN'T WANT HER JOB
BUT, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU GIVE CREDIT TO, YOU GIVE CREDIT, BUT YOU HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT TO YOURSELF.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AND IT'S NOT EASY, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP THAT TEAM AND, AND YES.
YOU, YOU HAVE TO TAKE YOUR FLOWERS TOO, BECAUSE WELL DESERVED.
YOU KNOW, KNOW, WE, WE, WE, I DO.
THERE, THERE IS GONNA FEEL, WE'RE GONNA FEEL A LOSS BECAUSE YOU, YOU HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, A REAL INTEGRAL PART OF THIS TEAM, THIS FAMILY THAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER HERE.
AND AGAIN, WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE AND IT'S OKAY TO AGREE TO DISAGREE, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S TEAM.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T GET ALONG ALL THE TIME WITH ANYONE.
YOU DON'T, DO YOU GET ALONG WITH YOUR WIFE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE TIME? BECAUSE
AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'D NEVER DISAGREE WITH YOUR LIAISON, WHICH WAS A GOOD THING.
UM, NO, BUT, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY COMMEND YOU AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK AND SERVICE.
IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T EASY, BUT THEN IT WAS EASY, YOU KNOW? SO THANK YOU.
YOU, YOU, YOU GET TO A POINT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CIVIL SERVICE, WHERE GOD FORBID SOMETHING HAPPENED TO YOU ON THE JOB.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU RETIRE YOUR SPOUSE, YOU CAN CHOOSE AN OPTION THAT YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF YOUR SPOUSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, BUT AGAIN, THIS TOWN HAS AFFORDED ME THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, SEE MY KIDS GROW UP, GO TO SPORTING EVENTS, NOT MISS ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, AND THAT HAS REALLY BEEN A BLESSING.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE SAYS, OH, YOU'RE IN A BUBBLE.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE THIS EVERYWHERE.
IT'S A, IT, IT'S A, I HAVE TO SAY, I HAVE TO ADD MY 2 CENTS.
BUT, UM, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH, WITH COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON, YOU UNDERESTIMATE YOURSELF.
STRONG LEADERSHIP AND COLLABORATION ARE CRITICAL TO, TO A SUCCESS.
AND YOU, THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE AROUND YOU, BUT YOU'VE SHOWN THEM TREMENDOUS RESPECT AND THEY'VE SHOWN IT AND RETURN.
AND YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIVE, WHICH IS INVALUABLE.
AND I, I KNOW THAT I'LL GET A CALL BACK AND IF I EVER WERE TO REACH OUT TO YOU IN JUST A SHORT TIME, THAT'S THE JOB.
I SAID, IT'S NOT A JOB, IT'S A LIFESTYLE.
WHEN YOU TAKE THIS JOB, IT DOESN'T GO AWAY.
I KNOW JOEL GOES HOME EVERY NIGHT AT FIVE O'CLOCK AND DOESN'T HAVE TO PICK UP.
YOU, ON THE OTHER HAND, AND I HAVE TO SAY, IT'S REALLY A TESTAMENT TO YOUR CHARACTER, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU WHERE I, WHERE I PRAISED SOMETHING THAT WAS GOING ON AND YOU IMMEDIATELY DEFLECTED IT TO YOUR STAFF.
AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO ED, I'D LIKE JOE AND SAY, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A AMAZING JOB.
UH, YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN RESPONSIVE.
YOU FOLLOWED UP ON THOUSANDS OF CONSTITUENT COMPLAINTS.
YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT YOU DID, YOU FOLLOW UP.
UH, WHEN YOU GO AROUND AND SPEAK TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, EVERYBODY LOVES THE SANITATION, UH, MEMBERS.
EVERYBODY HAS HIGH PRAISE FOR THE HIGHWAY CREWS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT, UH, THEY ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE, THE CALIBER AND THE HOW RESPONSIVE THE, UH, ALL THE STAFF IS.
I THINK YOU'VE JUST BEEN AN AMAZING, UH, COMMISSIONER AND WE'RE REALLY GONNA, UH, MISS YOU.
AND, UH, YOU'RE REALLY IRREPLACEABLE.
YOU'RE ONE OF THE BEST PUBLIC SERVANTS I'VE WORKED WITH OVER THE YEARS, AND YOUR DEDICATION IS REALLY APPRECIATED.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOU, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GOT JOE DANKO AND AMANDA, AND GARRETT AND LIZ AND FRANK, AND ALL THESE PEOPLE AROUND YOU THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE, RIGHT.
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IT'S A, IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.YOU GOT ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS OF THE VARIOUS INFORMATION.
I DO WANNA SAY THAT MANY COMPANIES GIVE PEOPLE ON RETIREMENT A WATCH.
BUT WE, WE GIVE YOU SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
YOU HAVE A LIFELONG INVITATION TO ATTEND OUR TOWN BOARD MEETINGS.
WELL, FRANCIS WOULD ALL DO RESPECT, ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY WOULD LIKE YOU TO ATTEND THE MEETING.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WITH THIS REPORT? WE'RE ALL SET.
WE'RE ALL, I THINK YOU'RE IN VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD SHAPE.
LAST TIME WE GONNA SEE COMMISSIONER FA WORK SESSION.
ARE WE APPLAUDING BECAUSE YOU'RE LEAVING? YEAH.
I NEVER KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.
RIGHT? IT'S LIKE, NO, IT'S THE IRISH WAY.
IT'S YAY FOR YOU, BUT NOT, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY.
SO, ALRIGHT, SO WHERE ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE NOW? THE WAITING FOR, OH, LOOK AT THAT.
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT PRIOR? YEAH.
IS THERE JUST THAT PRIMARILY THAT WE'RE STARTING OUR BOARD MEETING TOMORROW NIGHT AT 7:00 PM RATHER THAN SEVEN 30.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SPECIAL PRESENTATION FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH.
WE WANT TO DO THE, UH, THE ICE ABUSE RESOLUTION.
'CAUSE I THINK THE COUNCILWOMAN HABER.
SO, UM, I TOOK THE FEEDBACK FROM OUR LAST MEETING AND I LOOKED AT THE LEGISLATION, UH, PROPOSED IN, UH, STATE, UH, FROM ASSEMBLY MEMBER SHAMSKY.
AND THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.
IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT THE 200 FOOT BUFFER.
THERE'S SOME OTHER, UH, ITEMS IN HERE THAT BOLSTER THE WHOLE THING.
AND WE WOULD BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
UM, THIS, I'M SORRY, THIS IS WHAT THE STATE IS PROPOSED.
UM, NOW I WILL JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT 200 FEET IS NOT ENOUGH.
I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH A THOUSAND FEET.
UM, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAD SAID LAST WEEK.
UH, PEOPLE WANTED, SO THAT'S WHAT'S IN HERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHAT, WHAT DOES THE STATE HAVE? 200.
UM, IT ALSO HAS 200 FOR, UM, ELECTIONEERING AS WELL, WHICH USED TO BE 100.
NOW, SOMETHING THAT AMANDA HAD BROUGHT UP IN AN EMAIL, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE SAW THAT WAS A BUFFER ZONE AROUND MAILBOXES, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A VERY, THAT'S BEING PROPOSED, I THINK IN ARIZONA.
UM, DO WE HAVE MAILBOXES IN NEW YORK STATE? WHAT? YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME, NO, I MEAN, NO DEDICATED BOXES TO PUT YOUR BALLOTS IN.
JUST A REGULAR MAILBOX FOR ANY, ANY, ANYONE TO PUT THEIR ABSENTEE BALLOT INTO AS A REGULAR MAILBOX.
I THINK, BECAUSE IN MANY STATES, THEY JUST HAVE A BOX.
YOU COULD JUST, BUT IT'S SOLELY USED FOR THE BALLOT.
SO DIDN'T MEAN THE STATE DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
NEW YORK STATE DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE IN THE PURVIEW.
THE WHOLE THING MIGHT BE IN THE PURVIEW OF NEW YORK STATE OR THAT IT'S NOT A FEDERAL, IT'S NOT FOR A FEDERAL INSTITUTION.
WELL, THIS WAS, THIS WAS A, A PROPOSED STATE LAW IN, IN ARIZONA.
BUT I'M, I'M SAYING THAT IT IS STATE LAW RATHER THAN FEDERAL LAW.
AND THIS IS A RESOLUTION PETITIONING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
YOU KNOW, I WONDER ABOUT, AND, AND, AND ALSO FOR THAT MATTER, THE MM-HMM
THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HOLDS TRUE FOR THE, UM, POLLING LOCATIONS, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WITH STATE LAW ONLY, AND NOT FEDERAL, BUT I WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WE, THIS IS GONNA GO EVERYWHERE, RIGHT.
'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA SEND IT TO OUR ASSEMBLY MEMBERS, OUR SENATORS, OUR LEGISLATORS, COUNTY LEGISLATORS, BECAUSE ON THE LAST CLAUSE.
SO ANY ENTITY CAN TAKE WHAT THEY WANT FROM IT, YOU KNOW? AND IN FACT, THERE WAS AN EMAIL FROM A LEGISLATOR IN MEMORIAL FROM BACK IN FEBRUARY SAYING THAT WHATEVER WE DO PASS, HE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE A COPY OF IT.
MAYBE USE THAT TO PUSH WHATEVER THEY MIGHT DO IN THE COUNTY.
UM, YEAH, I'M JUST WONDERING IF IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING, WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE EXPERIENCED MIXING THE MM-HMM
MIXING THE MEDIA HERE BY HAVING, WE'RE PETITIONING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ABOUT A FEDERAL AGENCY, THEN WE'RE SWITCHING TO A STATE AGENCY.
SO JUST BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, BUT I THINK, AND, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE STATE.
I THINK WHAT COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN HABER UTILIZED WAS THE STATE LANGUAGE, BUT STILL, THIS IS STILL FOR THE FEDERAL.
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THE STATE LANGUAGE, EXCEPT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE PURVIEW OF THE FEDERAL TO DETERMINE THAT, OR WHETHER IT HAS TO BE STATE BY STATE.I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S, WE, WE'VE MADE IT A MORE OF A BLANKET STATEMENT.
WE'VE INCORPORATED MORE ELEMENTS THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'M, WHAT I'M ALSO SAYING IS THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO TO OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT OTHER THAN THE FEDERAL LEVEL.
AND WHATEVER DOESN'T APPLY DOESN'T APPLY.
NOT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO UNLESS WE WANT TO.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A STATEMENT.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE SHOULD BROADEN THEM OUT THEN BROADEN OUT THE, THE WHERE, THE FIRST, WHERE AS TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE, OR EVEN THIS ONE WE HEREBY PETITION THE US GOVERNMENT.
WE COULD JUST SAY WE COULD PETITION EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT TO, YOU KNOW, OR, OR, OR, RIGHT.
WHEN WE'RE APPLICABLE KIND OF THING.
BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO DRAG ON SO THAT WE HAVE NEITHER DO I, I JUST MM-HMM
WELL, YOU HAVE EIGHT MINUTES YOU CAN ON, YEAH.
SO I THINK THE FIRST, WHEREAS IS VERY BROAD.
WELL, BUT THE DEPLOYMENT OF US IMMIGRATION CUSTOM ENFORCEMENT, UH, U-S-C-I-S AND, UM, CBP ARE FEDERAL, STRICTLY FEDERAL.
SO THEN, THEN WE SWITCH OVER TO STATE.
SO IF WE WANNA BROADEN IT SO THAT IT IS ALL INCLUSIVE, OR ALTERNATIVELY, WRITE A LETTER TO STATE IN SUPPORT OF THE LEGISLATION AND KEEP THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERING, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I THINK WE COULD, I THINK WE COULD REVISE THE WORDING TO WHERE APPROPRIATE BROUGHT IN THE ENTITIES THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, TAKING ANY MM-HMM
YOU MEAN OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES? NO, NO, NO, NO.
I MEAN, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, WE HEREBY PETITION THE US GOVERNMENT TO TAKE THE FOLLOWING STEPS.
WE COULD SAY THE SECOND FOR BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED INCLUDES FEDERAL, STATE, AND COUNTY.
SO WE IT'S BROADER IN CERTAIN MM-HMM
BUT THIS, THIS, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED WHERE IT SAYS THE US GOVERNMENT, WHERE COULD BROADEN THAT, UH, THAT CLAUSE AS WELL.
BUT THIS IS FOR THE US GOVERNMENT.
THIS IS, WE'RE TELLING, WE ARE WHERE THE EXPECTATION OF THESE STEPS WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE US GOVERNMENT.
I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE STATE FALLS.
THE US GOVERNMENT IMPLIES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY, BUT THAT'S WHY I ADDED IN THE, IN THE TITLE AND PROHIBIT INTERFERENCE IN ELECTION PROCESS.
BUT STATES COULD MAKE LAWS AS WELL BASED ON IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE SUGGESTIONS.
SO JUST, JUST BROADENING IT OUT WOULD BE, WOULD BE GOOD TO, TO MAKE SURE IT'S, YEAH.
SO INSTEAD OF IT SOUNDING LIKE A YEP.
DEAR JOHN LETTER AND THEN ADDRESSING IT TO DEAR STEVEN, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
AND, UM, SO THERE WAS A QUESTION IN SOME OF THE EMAILS THAT I SAW ABOUT THIS BEING ON FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.
SO IT COULDN'T BE ON UNLESS WE'RE HAVE THE FINAL WORDING ANYWAY.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE IT ON, DO WE? THE ELECTIONS ARE NOT UNTIL NO, I, RIGHT.
SO LET'S DO IT IN TWO WEEKS IN OUR NORMAL PROCESS.
BUT I DID, I DID RESPOND TO WHOEVER WAS ASKING GARY, GARY SAYING ANYONE CAN SPEAK AT OUR PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
WE DON'T HAVE, IT HAS TO HAVE TO BE ON FOR THEM TO SPEAK ABOUT IT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
I COULD TELL GARY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE BASICALLY, THIS IS THE WORD.
WE FINALIZE THE WORDING AND IT'S GONNA BE VOTED ON AND WE SUPPORT IT.
THERE'S ALSO A RALLY, THE NO KINGS RALLY ON 10:00 AM ON, UH, SATURDAY MORNING AT TOWN OUTSIDE TOWN HALL.
AND THERE'S NO KINGS EVERYWHERE,
SO I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL ATTEND.
THINK, THINK EVERY MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ONE AT 10:00 AM ANY ONE OF THEM? I'M SORRY.
I THINK EVERYONE IS HAVING ONE AT 10:00 AM BUT ALSO TERRYTOWN, THERE ARE NO KINGS.
AND, UM, THERE'S A JOINT HASTINGS YONKERS ONE AS WELL.
AND I THINK THAT'S 10 12, BUT IT MIGHT BE AND WHERE IS THAT? IS THAT IN, IN HASTING? WELL, IT'S ON WARTON AVENUE, SO IT'S JUST GOING TO BE KIND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S ORGANICALLY MEETING IN THE MIDDLE
YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A, IT'S, IT'LL, LAST YEAR I WAS THERE AND IT WAS A LOT LARGER, LARGER YEAR OF THE VFW.
WELL, IT STARTED AT THE VF, BUT IT WAS, IT, IT, IT, I THOUGHT YOU DON'T, THAT IT WAS A INTERMINGLED.
PUT THAT THERE, AND THIS, THIS MORE SPECIFICALLY SAYS DON'T AFTER THE LAST.
YEAH, I, I, I WOULD'VE AMBIENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
IS SOMEONE COMING IN FOR BRIGHTVIEW?
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I THOUGHT OUR ENGINEERING STAFF WAS WEIGHING IN ON THAT.UM, WE COULD DO THE AGENDA REVIEW WHILE WE'RE WAITING.
WE'RE JUST TWO MINUTES AWAY FROM THE SCHEDULED TIME FOR THAT.
WHEN IS COME PRESENTATION COME.
THEY'RE COMING ON ZOOM, RIGHT? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE ON OR NOT.
AND IS GAR GONNA BE HERE FOR THAT? YES, I BELIEVE SO.
GAR, THERE'S ANOTHER PLACE ON ZOOM, I GUESS.
NO, BUT I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW.
NO, I'M JUST GONNA JUST TURN IT BACK, BACK TO WHERE IT WAS.
STAY MY, ARE WE DOING, UM, LIAISON UPDATES? IT'S HELD.
YOU GOT THE TWO MINUTE LIGHTNING ROUND.
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR, FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TOMORROW.
UM, THE TAXATION PROPOSED LOCAL LAW.
IF SOMEONE'S GONNA OPEN THAT DOOR, WHY IS IT CLOSED? CAN WE, CAN WE, CAN WE OPEN UP, CAN WE KEEP THAT DOOR OPEN PLEASE? IT SHOULDN'T BE CLOSED.
WE REALLY WANTED TO KEEP YOU ALL OUT, BUT YOU KNOW,
THERE IS ONE DOOR OPEN SO IT'S, BUT THAT'S THE SIDE DOOR IS OPEN.
THEN WE'RE TRYING TO PULL THAT FRONT DOOR.
WE WOULD HAVE TO STILL GO THROUGH THE, THE THING.
SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING TO THE DAY? SO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH CHAIRS AND MICROPHONES.
HOW MANY PEOPLE SITTING AT THE TABLE SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH? WHY DON'T WE TRY CHAIRS AND MICROPHONES? WHY DON'T WE TRY TO GET ENOUGH CHAIRS? SO EVERYBODY OKAY.
I JUST, I, THAT'S WHY I WANT, I WANT, THAT'S WHY I JUST WANNA FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO.
MAKE DO WITH THREE? WHAT'S THAT? I JUST DON'T KNOW WHO'S, I JUST DON'T DUNNO IF IT'S, WHY DON'T WE GET ENOUGH CHAIRS? BECAUSE YOU CAN DO A ROUND ROBIN TYPE OF THING.
I THINK WE GOT, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU, I JUST NEED, ALRIGHT.
IS THAT EVERYBODY SPACE TOGETHER? YOU GUYS WANNA COME IN THE BACK IN CASE YOU GUYS WANNA ADD ANY COMMENTS? OH, YOU GUYS WANNA BRING A CHAIR? YOU GUYS CAN COME UP AND SO YOU CAN BE A PART.
I'M TRYING NOT TO ENCROACH ON YOUR SPACE TOO MUCH.
IS THAT MICROPHONE PHONE MOVEABLE? BUT IT COULD BE PUT ON THE DESK.
THEY'RE LIKE THANKSGIVING DINNER.
SO NOW CONTINUE OUR EFFORTS, UH, HERE, MIC.
SO EVERYBODY'S SEEING TO ADDRESS, UH, THE COURTHOUSE AND POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
THE, THE 50TH TIME WILL BE THE CHARM.
I HOPE YOU IMPRESS US AS MUCH AS YOU DID THE LAST TIME.
BECAUSE THE FUNNY THING HERE IS, UH, THAT WAS FOUR MONTHS AGO, FIVE MONTHS AGO.
WE HAVE GONE IN A FULL CIRCLE.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING THE WHOLE TIME.
AND WE'RE BASICALLY BACK TO WHERE WE WERE.
SO THIS IS GONNA LOOK VERY FAMILIAR.
THERE ARE ONLY A FEW CHANGES, UM, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING HARD.
I JUST WANNA STRESS THAT, UM, IT HAS BEEN, UH, WORK INVOLVING ANALYZING OTHER SITES, OTHER OPTIONS, AND NONE OF THEM PANNED OUT TO, COMPARED TO THE FIRST SET OF, UH, PROPOSALS.
SO WE'RE GONNA REVISIT A LOT OF THE FACTS, BUT THAT'S NOT WASTED
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TIME BECAUSE IT HELPS TO KNOW WHAT WE CAN'T DO, RIGHT? YEAH.IT'S, UH, DESIGN IS OFTEN A, A, A CIRCLE AND YOU CIRCLE BACK AND CIRCLE BACK.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE.
UM, IT'S ALSO THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
UM, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA READ OFF OF THE ONE THAT'S IN, IN FRONT OF ME.
UH, WE START OUT WITH, UH, OUR FAMILIAR SITE MAP.
WE HAVE AT D DIAGRAM ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT DESCRIBES THE SHORTCOMINGS OF THE CURRENT SETUP INTO FOUR CATEGORIES.
THESE ARE DETAILED IN THE FULL WRITTEN REPORT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA INVESTIGATE, UH, THE SHORTCOMINGS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUBSTANTIAL, BUT THEY'RE MAPPED OUT AND DESCRIBED IN DETAIL THAT ANYBODY CAN REFERENCE IN THE WRITTEN REPORT THAT ACCOMPANIES THIS.
UM, SO WE START OUT WITH A SITE.
WE SEE THAT IT'S ON, UH, TERRYTOWN ROAD, ALSO ADJACENT TO, UH, RILEY POND.
UM, WHICH PROVIDES A REALLY INTERESTING OPPORTUNITY IF WE GO TO, OH, WELL, WE'VE GOT OUR TIMELINE.
UH, NEXT, THE, THE TIMELINE FOR THIS IS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING PROPOSITION.
WE, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE, WHAT WAS IT? 50 YOU SAID? UH, NEEDS ASSESSMENT REPORTS.
STUDIES, UM, OVER AND AG OVER AGAIN THAT HAVE BASICALLY FAILED, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE COME IN AT A EXORBITANT PRICE OR AT A PRICE THAT IS, IS NOT MANAGEABLE WITH BONDS.
AND SO THE, WE WERE DIRECTLY TASKED TO TAKE THE PREVIOUS NEEDS ASSESSMENT REPORT THAT DATES TO 2020 AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO REDUCE THAT WITHOUT HARMING THE, UH, THE FUNCTION.
SO THE REDUCTIONS IN COST HERE ARE NOT A MAGIC WAND.
THEY ARE PAIRING OUT AND PAIRING OUT SCOPE.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF WHAT THIS EXERCISE WAS.
I'LL GIVE YOU ONE SIMPLE EXAMPLE.
THE 2020 NEEDS ASSESSMENT REPORT WANTED THREE NEW COURTS.
UH, AND EVERY COURT OF COURSE HAS, UH, A JUDGE'S CHAMBERS, A JUDGE'S LIBRARY, A JUDGE'S BATHROOM, A JURY ROOM, JURY BREAK ROOM.
SO IT'S A COURT IS NOT JUST ONE ROOM.
IT'S, IT'S A COLLECTION OF ROOMS THAT, UH, THE COST ANALYSIS.
SO WE'RE ABOUT, UH, 10 MILLION A PIECE.
WE ARE RESTORING THE CURRENT COURT IN THIS SCHEME.
SO WE ARE DEDICATING, UH, MONEY IN, IN THE, THE COST ANALYSIS TO, UH, REROOFING THE COURT TO C CREATE A NEW, UM, AIR CONDITIONING HEATING SYSTEM.
UH, BUT THE COURT ITSELF, UM, ONLY THE, THE, UM, SUPPORTING STAFF AREAS, UH, WOULD BE NEW.
SO THAT EXPLAINS SOME OF THE DRAMA, DRAMA IN THE REDUCTION OF, OF PRICE THAT WE'VE ACHIEVED.
UM, ALTHOUGH THERE IS AN ISSUE CURRENTLY, AND I JUST REALIZED THE COURT ADMINISTRATOR'S NOT HERE TONIGHT, WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT SHE NEEDED TO BE INVITED.
UM, THERE IS AN ISSUE REGARDING THE CHAMBER FOR THE THREE JU THEY ONLY HAVE ONE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE CHAMBER.
ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT, THAT CONTINUE THAT IN THE PRESENT ANALYSIS? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S NOT REALLY ENOUGH SPACE FOR THEM.
UM, THE WAY WE'VE COMPENSATED FOR THAT IS TO CREATE A, A, A GENERIC COURT SPACE ON OFFICES WITHIN THE NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE HALLWAYS SHOWN.
WE'VE GOT AREAS AND THERE IS A COURT AREAS.
SO IT'S, IT'S DIRECTLY POSSIBLE THAT YOU WOULD DIVIDE UP THAT COURT AREA INTO THOSE TASKS.
WHAT'S THE BUDGET SAY FOR JUST THE COURT? YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY? UH, WE HAD A REHAB, REHABILITATION OF THE EXISTING COURT BUILDING AT 1.5 MILLION.
AND THEN THE, THE, UM, THE SPACE THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT IS CARVED OUT OF THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING AND SHARED, UM, WOULD BE PROPORTIONATE TO WHATEVER SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT ENDED UP BEING SUBDIVIDED.
SO, YOU KNOW, $500 A SQUARE FOOT, UM, AS A, AS A SQUARE FOOT AND HOWEVER THAT DIVIDING LINE HAPPENED, WOULD, WOULD, UH, BE PROPORTIONAL.
IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT YOUR VALUE ENGINEERING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING YES, EXACTLY.
AS OPPOSED TO WAITING UNTIL YOU GET YOUR PLANS DONE.
AND THEN WE SAY, WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS, WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT.
SO THERE WE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT WE REORGANIZED IT SO IT MADE MORE SENSE.
LET'S, LET'S WALK THROUGH AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK AND REVISIT ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT.
SO, SO PART OF THE, THE CHALLENGE
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BY DOING THIS AND THIS AND USING THIS APPROACH, AND WE'RE USING AS MUCH OF THE CURRENT FACILITIES AS MAKES SENSE, IS THAT THEN YOU HAVE TO STAGE THIS INTO SEVERAL BUILDING CAMPAIGNS.UH, WE'VE OUTLINED, UM, THREE, THE PARKING GARAGE, NEW BUILDINGS AND REHABILITATION.
WE'LL SHOW YOU THOSE IN THE DIAGRAM.
THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS IT THEN BRINGS THE PROJECT OVER TO A 38 TO 50 MONTH PROJECT, WHICH ACTUALLY INCREASES THE COST.
AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE ASSUMING A 4.5% ESCALATION OF COST PER YEAR AFTER FOUR YEARS, THAT ACTUALLY STARTS ADDING UP.
UM, SO THIS MENU OF PHASES COULD BE DONE IN, IN A MAGIC WORLD WHERE THE, THE POLICE COULD ALL BE MOVED TO A SWING SPACE TEMPORARILY.
THIS COULD ALL BE DONE AT ONCE.
IT'S NOT THIS, THIS IS DESIGNED TO BE FUNCTIONAL OPERATIONAL AT THE ENTIRE TIME AND HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE SITE WORKED ON AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THAT'S WHAT THESE DIAGRAMS SHOW.
IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY THOUGH, OF OVERLAPPING SOME OF THESE STAGES AS YET A THIRD ALTERNATIVE TO THE TWO THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED? I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE.
WE'VE TALKED, UM, A LOT ABOUT USING, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE PARKING GARAGE, NOT USING IT AS A PARKING GARAGE INITIALLY USING IT AS A CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL STAGING AREA.
SO THEY WOULD OVERLAP IN FUNCTION PERHAPS.
UM, UH, LET, LET ME, UH, GO THROUGH THE STAGES OF WHAT WE HAD, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, BEFORE THE VERY THERE THESE SLIDES ARE GONNA BE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN.
UM, ON THE FIRST STAGE WE HAVE THE POND RETENTION, AND THAT IS A, UM, REPAIR DONE BY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS THAT, THAT STABILIZES THE BANK, UH, AND, AND, UH, CLEARS THE BACK WHERE THE, UH, EXISTING IMPOUND LOT IS.
SO THIS WORK SHOWN IN ORANGE IS NOT INCLUDED IN ANY OF THESE COST ANALYSIS.
'CAUSE THIS IS DDPW, UH, WORK.
IT'S NOT, NOT BROUGHT OUT THE, UM, COURTHOUSE THEN WOULD BE WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH THEM THOUGH, AS FAR AS YEAH.
HAVE TO MOVE THE MICROPHONE TO YOU TURN THE MICROPHONE TOWARDS YOURSELF.
YEAH, WE, WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH DPW ON, ON WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
STEVE, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE EVER BEEN ASKED TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE ANYMORE.
THIS IS A VERY, IT DOESN'T HAVE MUCH ON THE GRAPHICS HERE, BUT THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT STAGE.
WE'D BE SETTING UP TWO THINGS.
WE'D BE SETTING UP, UH, AN IDEA OF A HEAT EXCHANGE FROM THE POND USING THE POND AS THE AIR, EFFECTIVELY THE AIR CONDITIONER OF THE FACILITY.
UM, THE, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
THE, THE POND IS, IS, UH, IS WHAT ABOUT AN ACRE AND A HALF.
AND THAT COOL WATER, UM, IS A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER THAN AIR CONDITIONING CHILLERS ACROSS THE SITE.
SO THAT'S ONE POTENTIAL, NOT ONLY OF INITIAL SAVINGS, BUT OPERATIONAL SAVINGS THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT FROM A FACILITY.
AND HOW MUCH IS, IS STAGE TWO ABOUT, UM, THE HEAT EXCHANGE TRANSFER? I DON'T KNOW.
DAVID, THE, UH, DAVID WONG, THE IMAG ENGINEER, THE, THAT WAS HERE LAST TIME TO ANSWER A QUESTION LIKE THAT, HE COULDN'T ATTEND TONIGHT.
SO IS THAT POND ALWAYS FULL OF WATER THAT'S YOU CAN RELY ON? WELL, YOU WOULD KNOW.
UM, IT'S A RETENTION POND AND IT, IT'S A RETENTION POND, WHICH ULTIMATELY FLOWS INTO THE BRONX RIVER PARKWAY.
UH, YES, THERE'S USUALLY WATER IN THERE TIMES A DROUGHT.
IT GOES DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS WATER IN THERE.
TO ADD TO WHAT MIKE JUST SAID, THERE IS, UH, A CONTROL BUILDING THAT, THAT CONTROLLED THE RUNOFF IN THE WATER.
YEAH, THERE USED TO BE A CONTROL GATE, WHICH IS GONNA HAVE TO BE REHABBED YEAH.
WELL, THEN THE, THE NEXT LOGICAL QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT, BUT IF WE, IF THERE IS A REDUCTION, WELL, I GUESS IT'S HOW MUCH CAPACITY THE POND HAS, AND IF THERE IS A REDUCTION BECAUSE OF DROUGHT, WILL THAT BE A SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO USE FOR COOLING? UM, THAT WOULD BE A PROPORTION BETWEEN THE ACREAGE OF THE POND AND THE, THE COOLING LOAD.
IT MAY NOT, IN FACT PRODUCE ALL THE COOLING.
THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ENGINEERED IN A, IN A A DESIGN DEVELOPMENT PHASE.
WE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UM, THE ANSWER WE GOT FROM IM E BECAUSE THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS IS PROBABLY, UM, OKAY, WELL, THAT'S A START.
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SO THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS IN THIS PHASE IS A SERVICE ROAD BUILT.THERE IS A, UH, A FUNNY CONDITION BEHIND WHERE THE DETENTION CELLS ARE ON, ON THE TOP OF THIS RED OBJECT, IF YOU CAN SEE THAT, WHERE THE, THERE ARE TWO ROADS THAT DON'T QUITE MEET BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE ELEVATIONS OFF AND IN BETWEEN THEM IS A BUNCH OF GRANITE.
THERE'S A, A, THE, THE GRANITE OUTCROPPINGS THAT ARE IN THE FRONT OF THE SITE ALSO OCCUR BETWEEN THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE AND THE, THE ACCESS, THE, THE, UH, OFF RAMP.
UM, THE POTENTIAL THERE IS ACTUALLY BUILD UP THE ROAD, MAKE THE ROAD HIGHER, WHICH IS COUNTERINTUITIVE.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU WENT ABOVE THE GRANITE, YOU'RE NOT CLEARING THE GRANITE AND THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM THERE NEXT TO IT, IT'S A SLIGHTLY WEIRD CONDITION BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE, THE ROAD IS RIGHT NEAR THE WINDOWS OF THE DETENTION CELLS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT AN OPERATIONAL CHALLENGE MM-HMM
THAT PRISONERS DON'T GO IN AND OUT OF THOSE WINDOWS.
AND THAT, THAT CREATES, UM, A, AN INITIAL POWERFUL EFFECT, WHICH IS A, A SECONDARY TRAFFIC LOOP FOR ALL OF THE SERVICE AND CONSTRUCTION THAT CAN GO ON AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE DO NOT, THE FIRST STEP IS REMOVING THE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FROM THE TRAFFIC LOOP.
IT'LL BE ISOLATED TO THE, TO THE BACK.
AND THAT'S LOGICALLY WHY IN THE SECOND SLIDE, THE, THE FIRST REAL NEW PROPOSED BUILDING WOULD BE THE PARKING BUILDING THAT WOULD, UH, AT THIS POINT, UM, WE HAVE, UH, 16,000 SQUARE FEET.
I HAVE THE ACTUAL TOTAL PARKING BROKEN DOWN IN, IN ANOTHER, UH, SLIDE LATER.
UM, THAT IS BASED ON, UM, A NATIONAL ESTIMATE OF $30,000 PER STALL.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, HAD A, A, A DISCUSSION WITH OUR COST ESTIMATOR ON THIS PRICE.
THE COST ESTIMATOR HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT IN, IN ALL CASES, THESE PRICES ARE A RANGE, AND THAT HE IS DELIBERATELY, UM, GIVING US THE NUMBER ON THE HIGHEST END OF THE RANGE.
BECAUSE IN THAT MEETING, I BELIEVE IT WAS, IT WAS GARRETT SAID, UM, WE JUST, UM, YOU, YOU'RE SAYING THIRD, UH, YOU'RE SAYING, UH, $50 PER CAR.
WE JUST ACCOMPLISHED ONE IN TOWN FOR 35.
AND SO I, I WENT BACK TO THE COST ESTIMATOR ABOUT THAT, AND HE SAID, ABSOLUTELY 35 IS POSSIBLE, BUT WE, WE CAN'T, UM, PRO PROMOTE THE APPETITE FOR RISK OF, OF ANALYZING IT IN THAT WAY.
SO THE, THE A TROPHY POINT, THE, THE COST ESTIMATOR HAS, UH, ATTACHED NEXT TO THIS A A RANGE.
AND THAT'S ALSO DETAILED MORE IN THE WRITTEN REPORT THAT YOU CAN, THE WRITTEN REPORT HAS ALL OF TROPHY POINTS WORK THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT ANY SPECIFIC NUMBER YOU'D LIKE, UH, HAVE, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UH, LIKE A MIXED USE PARKING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OFFICE SPACE.
YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE GARAGE.
THE BEAUTY OF THE THIS PLAN IS THAT WE'VE KEEPING THE PARKING SEPARATE FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE'LL HAVE CONTROL ON IT.
AND SO THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND THE, UH, STAFF, OH, SO THIS IS PARKING FOR THE MUNICIPAL VEHICLES? YES, YES.
AND IT'S NOT FOR, UM, THE PUBLIC, NOT FOR PUBLIC AT ALL.
WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT IN, IN A, WE'LL SHOW YOU.
LET, LET'S GO THROUGH JUST SO WE GET THE GENERAL THING.
SO, UH, AND THERE, UH, IN THIS PLAN, FROM WHAT YOU SAW BEFORE, IS AN EXTRA STORY ON THE PARKING GARAGE, RIGHT? YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT THAT.
UM, THEN AS, UH, THE, THE STAGE AFTER THE PARKING GARAGE WOULD BE THE, UM, EMERGENCY, UH, THE EMS AND SWAT FACILITIES, THAT WOULD BE A TWO STORY BUILDING THAT WOULD BE THE VEHICLES ON THE LOWER LEVEL IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE CURRENT EXISTING PARKING LOT THERE.
AND THEN ALL THE SUPPORT FUNCTIONS FROM, UH, CREW EQUIPMENT TO THE MEDICAL LOCKERS, TO ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT THE, THE, UM, EMS TEAMS CURRENTLY ACTUALLY HAVE TO DRAG OUT INTO THE RAIN AND THEN BACK INTO THEIR CARS BECAUSE THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO COVERING.
UM, I TOLD YOU I WOULD NOT GO INTO THE SHORTCOMINGS NOW.
BUT, UH, IT IS A, IT'S A REAL FACT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT ON THE FUNCTION, UH, AND OPERATIONS OF THE EMS TEAMS. ALSO, BY PULLING IT VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD, THEY CAN GET OUT IMMEDIATELY MM-HMM
WHEREAS RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THINGS.
AND IF THERE'S SOMEBODY GOING UP THE DRIVE, THEN YOU HAVE THIS CONFLICT RIGHT THERE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THOSE CONFLICTS.
AND NOT TO BE UNDERESTIMATED IS THE PROTECTION OF THE VEHICLES, WHICH GIVE THEM A LONGER LASTING LIGHT.
I HAVE A QUESTION THEN BEFORE YOU CONTINUE.
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BUT IN ALL THE SLIDES, YOU OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE WHAT'S CURRENTLY THE OLD, THE NURSERY THERE.THIS IS SHOWN AS A, UM, AN OPTION.
WE'VE, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH.
UH, THIS IS, THE SCHEME IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THAT, BUT IT'S NOT, IT WAS DISCUSSED.
AS, UM, PARTICULARLY THERE, THE SHORTCOMING OF THE PARKING IS THAT ON THERE, THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE PARKING ON THIS FACILITY FOR THE TRAFFIC COURT DAYS.
AND THAT'S CURRENT, THAT'S THE CURRENT CONDITION.
UH, THIS IS AN OPTION FOR ALLEVIATING SOME OF THAT.
IF, IF, IF YOU HAD THE OPTION OF TAKING THE WHAT'S SO THAT'S, THAT'S PUT OUT THERE, JOE.
I I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY.
WE HAVE A MONTHLY LEASE AT THIS POINT, AND THEY HAVE NOT EXPRESSED ANY INTEREST IN EITHER SELLING TO US OR, OR DOING A LONG-TERM PLAN.
SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND THINK THAT THAT WON'T BE YEAH.
IT'S NOT A DEPENDENCY TO BE CLEAR.
SO HOW WILL WE, HOW WOULD YOU ALLEVIATE THE PARKING THAT IS? WELL, WE'RE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CURRENT PARKING OVERLOAD ON THE TRAFFIC COURT DAYS IS UP AND DOWN TERRYTOWN ROAD.
WE DON'T SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN THIS, IN THIS SCHEME, ESPECIALLY WITH, WITHOUT THAT NURSERY, WE, WE DON'T HAVE WELL, THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM.
LET ME ASK A QUESTION, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AFTER YOUR LAST PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, I GAVE, I SPOKE TO, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE AND WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE, UM, TO MOVE THE COURT TO LIKE A, A FREESTANDING BUILDING? YOU LIKE, HEY, HEY PAUL, CAN WE LET THEM FINISH? AND THEN LET'S ASK THE QUESTION.
YOU HAVE A RIGHT, YOU HAVE A RIGHT.
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS, SO DON'T INTERRUPT ME.
UM, SO I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION.
UH, WOULDN IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO FIND A VACANT BUILDING, MOVE THE COURTHOUSE THERE, AND THEN, UH, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKING, YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH THE COURT, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THE WHOLE CAMPUS TO DO ANYTHING YOU WANT IN TERMS OF THE POLICE, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE, BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL THAT EVERY TIME YOU RENOVATE A BUILDING, UM, THERE'S ALWAYS, THEY ALWAYS FIND IT'S ALWAYS MORE EXPENSIVE AND THERE'S ALWAYS PROBLEMS. AND THERE'S SO MANY VACANT BUILDINGS AROUND THE TOWN, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE STAND REQUIREMENTS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PROBABLY DO IT FOR HALF THE COST, I WOULD THINK.
HAVE YOU FOUND SUCH A BUILDING? BECAUSE I'M, I'M ASKING THEM.
WE PAID PEOPLE TO LOOK AT 50 BUILDINGS.
BUT THIS IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE A COURTHOUSE YET.
IT'S BECAUSE EVERY TIME THERE'S A PROPOSAL, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS, YOU'VE BEEN SAYING, I THINK IT'S BETTER IF WE FIND ANOTHER PROPERTY.
AND YOU SAID YOU'RE GONNA RIDE AROUND AND YOU'RE GONNA FIND A PROPERTY AND YOU HAVEN'T FOUND ONE.
I, I FOUND ONE, WE PAID SOMEBODY A HANDSOME AMOUNT OF MONEY TO LOOK AT 50 PROPERTIES, AND THEY DID A WRITEUP ABOUT EACH ONE OF THOSE 50 POSSIBLE PROPERTIES.
AND, AND WHAT, AND THE ISSUE THERE WAS THEY COULDN'T FIND ONE.
NO, I'M JUST ASKING WOULD, I'M AGREEING WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU SAID EXCEPT FOR THE CONCLUSION WHERE YOU, YOU, YOU, THE ANSWER WOULD BE A, A, A DIFFERENT SITE.
SO YOU LOOKED IN, YOU DID, WE DID LOOK AT OTHER SITES.
THEY WENT THROUGH CI FULL CIRCLE.
AT THEY, THEY MADE A STATEMENT.
SO YOU HEARD THAT, RIGHT? I I THEY DID EXPLORE OTHER SITES.
THAT'S WHAT PART OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING, BUT I THAT THEY LED INTO.
BUT I, I, I DO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THIS ISSUE.
IF WE'RE NOT ALLEVIATING THE PARKING SITUATION ON OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD, THAT WE'RE NOT FIXING THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S A HUGE, THIS IS NOT FIXING ALL OF THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS DURING CONSTRUCTION, THIS PARKING AT THE NURSERY, JUST DURING CONSTRUCTION.
THE STRUCTURE WILL ALLEVIATE THE PARKING ISSUE.
BECAUSE ALL THE CURRENT PARKS, YOU'RE SAYING, NO, NO, NO.
IT WILL, WELL IT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW NOW WHOSE CARS ARE PARKED THERE, PUBLIC WORKERS, THIS AND THAT.
SO YOU'RE TAKING A HUGE LOAD OFF OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO PARK AT.
SO CURRENTLY ELIMINATING EMPLOYEES CURRENTS, THERE ARE EMERGENCY VEHICLES AND POLICE VEHICLES AND EVERYTHING IN THE PARKING LOT THAT REALLY SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO PEOPLE COMING TO COURT AND TO RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO ONCE THAT'S MOVED INTO THE PARKING STRUCTURE, YOU'RE SAYING THEN, I'M HOPING YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, THE SITUATION ON OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD WILL THEN SHIFT IN THOSE? UH, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT WORKERS, I DON'T THINK FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE PEOPLE COMING TO COURT.
WE WEIGHED ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS. MM-HMM
NUMBER ONE IS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT FUNCTION.
IT DOES NOT MEET CURRENT, UM, UH, STANDARD REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THE, SO WE, WE FELT THAT THAT WAS A HIGH PRIORITY.
NUMBER TWO WAS THIS, UH, ACCESS, YOU KNOW, HAVING PUBLIC CARS AND, AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES INTERACTING DID NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
AS WE JUST FOUND OUT WITH FIRE TRUCKS AND AIRPLANES.
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REALLY ALLEVIATE THAT.THE PUBLIC PARKING, UH, WAS A LOWER, UM, UH, PROBLEM TO SOLVE.
AND WE DON'T KNOW YET WHAT THAT FULLY MEANS, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE CARS ARE REALLY PUBLIC THAT COME IN, IF I MAY.
OF COURSE, THE PARKING STRUCTURE, IF THEY'RE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE, IT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE OVERCROWDING AND THE PLACEMENT OF CERTAIN VEHICLES, WHICH SOMETIMES, DEPENDING UPON THE TIME OF DAY, THE DAY A WEEK MM-HMM
CAN BE A MIXTURE OF MUNICIPAL VEHICLES.
AND PEOPLE THAT ARE VISITING THE QUARTER HEADQUARTERS TO CONDUCT NECESSARY BUSINESS.
SO HAVING THAT EXTRA PARKING, WHILE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO ALLOW US TO, AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE LATER SLIDES THAT THERE IS A DESIGNATED PUBLIC PARKING AT THE FRONT OF THE ENTRANCE AREA MM-HMM
AND LATER ON IN THE SLIDES, YOU KNOW, AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PROJECT.
BUT THE STRUCTURE WILL ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE HAVING.
NOW, IT MIGHT NOT SINGLEHANDEDLY SOLVE THE ISSUE YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, BUT I'M CERTAIN IT WOULD HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT.
BECAUSE THERE ARE REAL SAFETY, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ISSUES FOR PEOPLE COMING TO PARK, BUT IT WOULD, WOULD GETTING TICKETS WHILE THEY'RE GOING INTO, BASICALLY, IT WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT.
SO, SO JUST TO, TO SUMMARIZE FOR THE INTERIM, WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON, IT DOESN'T ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM AT ALL OTHER THAN TO ALLEVIATE THE TRAFFIC SO THAT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND TO KEEP CONSTRUCTION SUPPLIES, ONCE THE WHOLE THING IS DONE THERE, THERE WILL BE SOME RELIEF.
BUT THAT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED.
AND WE ARE, WE HAVE ALSO, AS PART OF THIS STUDY ALONG THE WAY, AND IT'S AGAIN IN THE, IN THE WRITTEN REPORT, WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE, WE ANALYZED SOME OF THE NEAR, UM, ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
LIKE THERE'S A, A CITY ON PLOT DIRECTLY ACROSS, IT'S THE SAFETY ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE CROSSING IS HAVING PEOPLE CROSS TERRYTOWN ROAD WITH NO, ITS NEW SIGNAL.
AND, AND THAT HAS TO BE A, A, A LARGE FACTOR MM-HMM
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER THINGS LIKE THE FACT THAT THE SCHOOL IN THE EVENING HAS A, A HUGE PARKING LOT.
YOU KNOW, IF SOME COORDINATION COULD BE DONE WITH THE SCHOOL, YOU'LL SEE LATER WE HAVE, UH, AN IDEA OF A CONNECTION TO THE SCHOOL FOR, FOR THE SCHOOL.
YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT EVER BE NEEDED TO HAVE STUDENTS EVACUATE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR VICE VERSA, IF SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENED LIKE A TREE FELL FOR A DAY, THE, UH, POLICE COULD USE IT AS A REDUNDANT FOR EMERGENCY EGRESS.
UM, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA THAT'S BANDED ABOUT IN YOUR PLANS.
UM, WOULD THERE BE TEMPORARY, UH, RELOCATIONS OF EITHER THE POLICE OR THE COURTHOUSE DURING THIS CONSTRUCTION? OR WOULD THERE BE THE IDEA OF THIS IS TO MINIMIZE ALL THE SWING SPACES, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SWING SPACES, THEN YOU'RE INTRODUCING A EVEN A HIGHER ESCALATION ON THE COST.
UH, AND NOT JUST INCONVENIENCE.
SO YOU HAVE TO FIND THE SPACES.
UM, SO THESE ARE NOT SWING SPACE RELATED, BUT I THINK WHAT, WHAT, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE DRAWINGS,
UH, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE THAT, THAT WE'VE TRIED TO MINIMALLY DISRUPT CERTAIN FUNCTIONS.
SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT, WE HAVE THE INTRODUCTION OF THE NEW POLICE AND COURT OFFICES.
THIS IS THE, THIS BLUE BOX IS THE BUILDING THAT I WAS REFERRING TO WHEN I SAID PART OF THE PROPORTION OF THAT WILL BE TO SERVE, UM, WHATEVER PROPORTION OF, OF COURT FUNCTIONS IS DEEMED NECESSARY, POSSIBLY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OFFICE BEING THERE TOO.
IT WAS, UH, THAT'S A POTENTIAL COMPONENT OF, OF THIS FACILITY.
THE DA'S OFFICE IS CURRENTLY IN, IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND APPRECIATES THE PROXIMITY.
UM, I, I SPOKE TO ANOTHER, A NUMBER OF ATTORNEYS THERE WHO SAID, YEAH, I'M GLAD WE'RE NOT OVER.
UM, IN ANOTHER ONE IN THE COUNTY WHERE THEY'RE IN A, IN A, A SEPARATE STRIP MALL, AND THEY'RE NOT WITH THE, AND THEY SAY THAT'S A, THAT'S ACTUALLY A PROBLEM.
IT'S GOOD TO BE ELBOW TO ELBOW WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT IT'S A TELEPHONE BOOTH.
AND, UH, THEN THE NEXT, UH, DO WE ADD A STORY TO THAT BUILDING AS WELL? WE, WE HAVE, AND THIS, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LAST PRESENTATION AND THIS PRESENTATION IS THIS IS NOW A FOUR STORY BUILDING.
SO WE, WE ARE INCREASING THE PRICE SOMEWHAT FROM THE LAST ANALYSIS IN THAT FOUR STORY BUILDING.
YOU CAN'T FIND SPACE TO HAVE, UH, TWO MORE, TWO MORE JUDGES CHAMBERS.
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A CONCERN.HAVING JUST ONE CHAMBER, MAYBE ONE COURTHOUSE, BUT O OFFICE, NOT THAT.
WE, WE THINK THAT THAT SPACE WOULD BE OKAY.
SO THAT COULD BE THAT, THAT, THAT HELPS BECAUSE I MEAN, IT COULD BE USED FOR ANYTHING THAT THE COURT WOULD, WOULD NEED IN PROPORTION THAT IT WOULD BE, IT'S, UH, THAT'S TO BE DEVELOPED.
THESE ARE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS.
SO WE'RE GIVING YOU KIND OF VERY BROAD STROKES, HIGH LEVEL KINDS OF IDEAS OF HOW WE COULD ORGANIZE SPACES.
WE OBVIOUSLY, IF WE HAVE TO DEVELOP THAT, WE GO INTO A ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER LEVEL OF LOOKING AT EVERYTHING WITH YOUR COST ESTIMATES, IS THIS, UH, ESTIMATES BASED ON TARIFFS OR TARIFFS? I'M JUST WONDERING, UH, YEAH, NO.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN TAR TARIFFS ARE, TARIFFS ARE ILLEGAL.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY WAS THE NUMBERS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, UH, YEAH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR A YEAR AND A MONTH, WHICH SEEMS LIKE, UM, SEVEN YEARS OF ACTUAL NEWS.
NO, DID YOU GO OVER THIS? YEAH, NO, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT OH, RIGHT.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT FACE.
UM, THE NEXT STEP AFTER BUILDING THE, WHAT PAGE ARE YOU WE'RE ON THE STAGE SIX, THE DEMO OF THE HALF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU SAY, WHY, WHY IS THAT? THIS IS A, A HALF, THAT IS THE LEAST FUNCTIONING.
WHAT, WHAT PAGE NUMBER IS THIS? ON THE TOP IT SAYS STAGE SIX, DEMO.
LOOK AT THE TOP NINE OUTTA 22, BUT THAT'S IT.
IT SAYS STAGE PAGE NINE, WHICH IS RIGHT ABOVE THE, SO THAT HALF IS THE CHIEF'S OFFICE,
NO, ACTUALLY THAT STAYS, THAT STAYS, I'M SAYING YOUR OFFICE IS SO BIG THAT IT'S HALF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
UM, SO THE FUNCTIONS THAT ARE IN THIS ARE, ARE ALREADY THEN MOVED TO THE NEW, NEW BUILDING OR OVER TO THE EMS AS AS NEEDED.
THERE ARE, UM, THE, WHAT'S LEFT THERE OF THAT IS THE ORIGINAL, UH, POLICE BUILDING, WHICH IS, IS, DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGES OF ACCESSIBILITY OF A DA RULE THAT IT, THIS BUILDING TO BE REMOVED DOES.
AND IT ALSO CONTAINS, IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK THERE'S A DOUBLE NEGATIVE THERE.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WHAT'S LEFT WILL BE, UM, MORE COMPLIANT WITH A DA YES.
AND HAVE FUNCTIONS LIKE THE FIRING RANGE THAT ARE JUST GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD PER SQUARE FOOT IN THE NEW BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO REHAB, UH, I MEAN TO NOT TO REHAB, TO BUILD A NEW, TO RENEW.
I WAS ASSUMING THAT JUST, DOES THE CURRENT FIRING RANGE IN THE BASEMENT COMPLY WITH CURRENT STANDARDS FOR VENTILATION? NO, IT'S NOT.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA LEAVE IT AND REHAB IT.
WE WOULD HOPEFULLY ADD VENTILATION, BUT IT DOES, IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH A NUMBER OF STANDARDS FOR A POLICE FIGHTING RANGE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE THE CURRENT WIDTHS.
IT ALSO DOESN'T HAVE THE, UM, THE INSTRUCTOR TRAINING AREAS, YOU KNOW, A A CONVENTIONAL MODERN, UM, FIRING RANGE IS NOT JUST THE PART WHERE THE PERSON STANDS AND FIRES A PISTOL.
YOU HAVE TRAINING, UM, UH, ISSUES THAT YOU, YOU RESOLVE BEHIND THAT, AND THAT'S PART OF THE SAME ROOM.
THAT, AND, AND IS THAT SOMETHING YOU FEEL THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE AND IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT WOULD NOT BE ACCOMMODATED? THE, THE, THE, UM, FIRING RANGE WOULD STAY AS IT IS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT BE SCRUBBERS ADDED OR SORRY, SCRUBBERS? YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TO IMPROVE THE AIRFLOW.
BUT WOULD THAT BE PART OF THIS? YES, THAT WOULD, THAT MAY MECHANICAL, ALL MECHANICAL SYSTEMS AND ALL SYSTEMS ARE GONNA BE, SO BASICALLY THE, UNDER THIS, YOU KNOW, STAGE SIX, THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS WOULD BE, UH, WHEN IT'S DONE, WOULD BE UP TO CODE AND STANDARDS.
SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS HASN'T, ISN'T IN COMPLIANCE.
AND WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO DO A DA, WE KNOW THE WIRING.
SO THIS AMOUNT IS LIKE AFFORDABLE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, COULD BE DONE.
AND WE WOULD BE ADDRESSING ONE MAJOR, YOU KNOW, ISSUE, LONGSTANDING ISSUE.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING OUT TO MA TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, IF WE SAID TO THE PUBLIC, WE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS FOR YEARS, NOTHING'S HAPPENED.
UM, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A PROPOSAL.
LET'S SAY YOU SAID 2.3 PLUS 550.
WE COULD BASICALLY GET THE POLICE, UM, BUILDING UP, UP TO CODE.
WHY DON'T WE DO THIS FIRST AND JUST GET IT DONE? YOU CAN DO WHAT, WHERE DID YOU NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
YOU HAVE TO MOVE A LOT OF THE FUNCTIONS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INTO THE BLUE BLOCK THEM, THE BLUE BLOCK, NEW FOUR STORY BUILDING IN ORDER
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TO BE ABLE TO DEMOLISH IT, WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT SO THAT WE HAVE TO PHASE THIS IN SUCH A WAY.WELL, EACH STAGE IS PREDICATED ON THE ONE THAT COMES BEFORE NO, WHAT I'M WONDERING CAN JUST PULL ONE OUT.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE A WAY WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING DONE RATHER THAN TALK ABOUT IT FOR LIKE 10 YEARS.
AND, AND THE THING IS, BUT THE WAY TO GET IT DONE IS NOT TO SKIP STEPS IN A CAREFULLY LAID OUT PLAN.
YOU CAN'T JUST EXTRACT THE PART OF THE PLAN THAT YOU LIKE AND EXPECT THAT TO WORK WITHOUT DOING SOME OF THE FOUNDATIONAL PARTS FIRST.
SO THEY'RE BASICALLY LAYING OUT THEIR PLAN TO ALLOW US TO MORE OR LESS STAY IN PLACE WHILE THEY MAKE THE UPGRADES THEY NEED TO MAKE.
AND THEN ONCE WE'VE GOTTEN TO A CERTAIN POINT, WE CAN DO AWAY WITH CERTAIN PORTIONS THAT ARE OUTDATED AND REALLY CAN'T BE BROUGHT UP TO CODE.
BUT WE CAN'T REALLY SKIP STEPS.
SO WHAT, SO UP TO SAY THE END OF PAGE NINE, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD THE TOTAL, YOU KNOW, IF WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS YEAR ONE UP TO HERE, WHY WOULD THE ESTIMATE FOR THE SPACE, UM, I'D LIKE TO JUST INTERRUPT.
WE'RE GONNA SAVE THE CO COSTING.
UH, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HELP TO DO, JUST THIS PIECE COSTS THIS TILL THE END WHERE WE HAVE A SHEET TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT.
BUT WHAT I DID WANNA POINT OUT BY DEMOLISHING A PORTION OF THE EXISTING POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE GAIN MORE PARKING.
WE ALSO GAIN A WHOLE REAL ENTRANCE, WHICH IS A MAJOR PROBLEM ACTUALLY WITH THE BUILDING CURRENTLY, WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO AND YOU HAVE SIGNS, WHATEVER.
BUT THEY ACTUALLY DON'T EXPLAIN, HOW SHOULD I GO? WHERE SHOULD I GO AND HOW SHOULD I GO? AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S CRUCIALLY WRONG ABOUT THE WAY THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY CONFIGURED.
IT'S ADDRESSED ON THE NEXT PAGE.
AND THE NEXT PAGE THAT THE, THE FINAL PIECE OF THIS PUZZLE, LIKE A TETRIS GAME HERE IS A, A, UH, ENTRY.
AN ENTRY WHICH HAS A CLEAR IDENTITY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A DESK OFFICER SPENDING THE ENTIRE DAY POINTING TO WHERE THE COURTS GO.
THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR, IT'S VERY CIVIC PRESENCE.
AND IT ALSO IN, IN THE COST ANALYSIS, THIS IS WHERE ALL OF THE ELEVATORING GOES.
SO THAT, UH, THE, THE ENTRANCE IS ALSO WHAT DISTRIBUTES THE, THE, UM, PEOPLE TO EACH FUNCTION.
WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN OF THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A, A, AN ARCHITECTURAL EXERCISE.
THIS IS A, A SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, ANALYSIS, BUT IT COULD BE WORKED OUT AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS, THIS SCENE BETWEEN THE COURT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO CREATE A NEW IDENTITY.
IT DOES ALSO HAVE AN EFFECT OF, UH, IN THE, IN THE NEXT, UM, SLIDE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE, UM, AN ANALYTIC PLAN AND IT SHOWS THAT THE FRONT OF THIS WOULD HAVE A DROP OFF, LIKE A LOOP SO THAT THE PUBLIC COULD BE BROUGHT UP AND SOMEBODY DROPPED OFF.
AND THEN THE PARKING IS BEHIND THAT.
UM, THIS BEHIND, BEHIND WHAT THE GATE CONTROLLED, UM, UH, AREA ALSO SEPARATES, WHICH, WHICH I DON'T THINK ONE HAS PAGE WHAT'S PAGE 11? YEAH, PAGE 11.
AND YES, WHERE'S THE GATE? IT'S THAT HORIZONTAL LINE GATE CONTROL WHERE IT SAYS GATE CONTROL AND THE CIRCULATION IS ILLUSTRATED IN THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE, WHICH IS THE CIRCULATION LOOP DIAGRAM, WHICH SHOWS IN THE, THE BLUE LINE IS THE SERVICE ENTRANCE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT COULD THEN FUNCTION IN THE NEXT DIAGRAM.
UM, THE, THE BLUE LINE SHOWS, UH, A, A SECONDARY ROUTE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT COULD BE USED BY FOR, UM, DETAINEES TO THE SALLY PORT, FOR EXAMPLE, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT CROSS CROSSING THE, THE CIRCULATION ROUTE OF THE PUBLIC.
UM, THIS IS ALSO WHERE WE'VE DIAGRAMMED THE IDEA OF CLEARING THE TREES THAT ARE AT THE BACK OF THE CURRENT IMPOUND LOT.
AND, UM, WHAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGED AT THE SCHOOL IS THE, UH, BASKETBALL BLACKTOP MOVED OVER A BIT.
SO IT'S A PRETTY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF WORK.
AND THEN CONNECTING, UH, THOSE ROADS SO THAT THE SCHOOL HAS ACCESSIBILITY TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE AN EMERGENCY REDUNDANT ROAD IN CASE EVERY, ANYTHING HAPPENED TO THESE FRONT ROADS.
AGAIN, THE TREE FALLING ACROSS THE ROAD.
AND IT'S ALSO FOR THE SCHOOL TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE ROADS ACROSS.
UM, THE, OKAY, THEN WE HAVE, UH, AN ANALYSIS OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS DEVOTED TO THESE FACILITIES.
UM, THE COURT FACILITIES IN THIS PROPOSAL IS, UM, A LOWER NUMBER.
UM, WE'RE ALSO ENVISIONING THAT THE, THE IN TO PART OF YOUR EARLIER QUESTION THAT THE COURT REBUILD WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE SWING SPACE FOR THE COURT CLERKS DURING
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THE TIME, BECAUSE THE COURT CLERK'S PART IS EFFECTIVELY A SET OF TRAILERS THAT ARE CONNECTED.AND THOSE ARE NOT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REHABILITATION.
SO THERE, THE SWING SPACE IS, WE WOULD HOPE
COULD THEY BE USED? COULD THEY BE RELOCATED AND USED TEMPORARILY? ARE THEY, I THINK THEY'VE LIVED FOR YOUR OFFICE.
THEY HAVE HAD A GOOD, LONG, HAPPY LIFE.
WELL, JUST FOR, WE SHOULD CELEBRATE THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF KEEPING THEM FUNCTIONAL FOR SO LONG.
IF YOU LOOK HOW THEY HAVE THE WINDOWS PATCH UP.
YOU KNOW, WITHOUT MEANING CRITICIZE THE SITUATION HERE.
THIS ALL COMES BACK TO A LACK OF A CENTRAL UNIFIED PLAN OVER THE YEARS WHERE IT HAS BEEN ACCRETED ON ACCRETED, ACCRETED, ACCRETED.
AND SO YOU'VE GOT THIS, THIS, UM, EXPANSION MONSTER WHERE YOU HAVE A DETENTION CELL IN THE CENTER OF THE POLICE STATION, WHERE THE, THE, UM, THE CALL CENTER HAS TO CROSS THEIR ROUTE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT, YOU WOULD NEVER DESIGN IT THAT WAY.
UH, BUT IT'S HAPPENED OF THE, OF THE COURSE OF OVER THE YEARS.
UM, WE HAVE A SQUARE FOOTAGE SUMMARY ON PAGE 1414.
AND, UM, THAT SHOWS WE ARE VERY CLOSE.
THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ANALYSIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT WE'VE ADDED ONE FLOOR ONTO THE, THE, THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE A COMBINED COURT FACILITY.
JUST AS WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING ABOUT, UM, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE SUMMARIES ON PAGE 15, UM, INVOLVE WHAT WOULD BE IN THE, REMAIN IN THE, THE OLDER BUILDING.
AND ON THE RIGHT YOU HAVE WHAT WOULD MOVE OVER TO THE NEW FUNCTIONS.
UM, AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STAFF SERVICES AND FIRING RANGE.
OBVIOUSLY THESE FUNCTIONS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON, BUT THEY'RE THERE AND THEY WORK.
UM, THE, UH, THE, THE NEWER FUNCTIONS, UM, UH, ARE ADDED UP THAT THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE IN THE EXISTING FACILITY.
UM, THE, THIS IS DIAGRAMMED IN, IN, UM, SPATIAL TERMS. THIS IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE PLACED AS, AS, AS SQUARES.
UM, ON, ON THE NEXT SLIDE, SO THIS, IN THE NEW, THIS REPRESENTS THIS, THIS KIND OF SHAPE REPRESENTS ALL OF THE FUNCTIONS BEING SHOVED INTO THE, UH, NEW FOUR STORY BUILDING, INCLUDING THE CORE FUNCTIONS IN GRAY.
UM, AND THEN EMS AND, AND SWAT ARE OF COURSE IN THE FRONT BUILDING, SO THEY'RE SEPARATE TOO.
UM, THE, THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE WHAT'S BEING REHABBED, THE STAFF SERVICES, RECORDS, ADMIN, THE CHIEF, UH, OFFICE, SOME SUPPORT AND, UH, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS, AND THEN THE FIRING RANGE.
UM, AND THEN THIS INCLUDES, UH, 1.5 MILLION FOR REHABILITATING THE EXISTING C ROOM, INCLUDING REROOFING REINS, INSTALLATION.
AND, UM, PART OF THE HVAC, UM, EQUIPMENT WOULD, WOULD ALL BE RENEWED.
UM, I SHOULD SAY ALL THE HVAC SYSTEMS WOULD BE TAKEN OUT.
THE EXISTING ONES WOULD BE TAKEN OUT COMPLETELY EVERY TIME.
IT'S ACTUALLY CHEAPER TO JUST TAKE IT ALL OUT.
IT'S CHEAPER AND MORE EFFICIENT TO TAKE EVERYTHING OUT AND JUST REDO IT COMPLETELY.
AND, AND THESE ARE NOT FOR ARCHITECTURE.
UM, THE, YOU KNOW, STYLE AND, AND FORM WILL COME LATER, BUT THE IDEA IS YOU HAVE AN OPEN PARKING GARAGE, A BRIDGE OVER TO THE OFFICE BUILDING OR THE POLICE, THE NEW BUILDING, AND THEN THIS DRIVE THROUGH, UH, WHERE YOU'RE COMING UP THE STREET AND, AND HAVING THE DROP OFF RIGHT AT THE ENTRY.
THAT LITTLE PIECE, THE HORIZONTAL PIECE IS, UM, VERY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SIGN THAT.
YOU CAN, IT, IT'S JUST VERY UNDERSTANDABLE WHERE SOMEONE SHOULD GO.
MY FIRST TIME HERE, I PARKED IN THE WRONG PLACE, ENTERED THE WRONG BUILDING.
AND A NICE OFFICER ESCORTED ME AND GAVE ME A TICKET TO RIGHT PLACE AND DIDN'T GIMME A TICKET
SO WITH THE DETENTION BASIN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE LOVE AS RILEY POND, WOULD HAVING AIRSPACE OVER THAT HELP WITH THE PARKING SITUATION? THAT'S AN AMAZING QUESTION YOU ASKED, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAVE, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? A STUDY ON
COULD YOU JUST SPEAK INTO THAT? YES.
BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS INCREDIBLE BRAINSTORM, LIKE STEVE THAT SAID, YOU LOOK AT THIS POND COULD BE POTENTIAL FREE SPACE.
YOU DRAIN THIS THING AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR BASEMENT ALREADY CARVED OUT.
YOU PUT THE WHOLE FACILITY THERE.
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SO WE ACTUALLY DID A STUDY OF DRAINING THE POND AND USING IT AS FREE SQUARE FOOTAGE.UM, AND THE LONGER WE, UH, EXPLORED IT, ALL OF ALL OF US AGREED THAT THERE WERE CUMULATIVE TOO MANY PROBLEMS WITH THE SOLUTION.
BUT IT'S A, IT'S A SORT OF A, A GREAT, WHAT IF I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT DRAINING IT? IF IT'S A DETENTION POND, IT, THERE'S, UH, OTHER PIPES GOING INTO IT FROM OTHER PLACES.
SO YOU CAN'T REALLY DRAIN IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO JUST BACK UP SOMEPLACE ELSE.
BUT I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING BUILDING OVER IT.
IF IT'S JUST DETENTION, WE'RE NOT JUST RELYING IT FOR THE RAIN.
UH, COULD YOU, COULD YOU LEAVE IT AS A DETENTION BASIN BASICALLY UNDERNEATH? YES.
WE HAD A MODEL HERE LAST TIME.
CARDBOARD MODEL THAT, AND ACTUALLY THAT HAD THE, UM, THAT MODEL HAD THE RAMPS FOR THE PARKING GARAGE GOING OUT OVER THE POND.
YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS THE PARKING FOR THE, THE COURT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NEVER GONNA SELL THIS TO THE PUBLIC IF THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP GETTING TICKETS WHILE THEY GO TO THE COURT.
I THINK THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS THAT THIS WAS GOING TO RUN INTO A LOT OF OVER, OVER OVERARCHING AND POTENTIALLY EXPENSIVE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT OKAY.
WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO TAKE CARE OF.
AND THAT WE'D HAVE PROBABLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE STATE ON A WHOLE, DO PILES OTHER DIFFERENT KIND OF LEVEL THINGS.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THAT ALTERNATIVE, WELL, WE COULD SWAP PARKLAND.
I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WELL, I MEAN THERE ARE MANY THINGS YOU COULD DO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE, WE REJECTED AS FAR AS TRYING TO DEVELOP THAT AS A FULL OPTION.
IT SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT, THAT DIDN'T FALL INTO THE REALM OF WHAT WE CAN GET DONE WITHIN THE FUNDS THAT WE THOUGHT YOU HAVE AVAILABLE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS SIMPLY WORK TO, TO BASICALLY MAKE, MAKE THINGS ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
BUT DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU REDUCED THE, THE STORIES OF THE PARKING GARAGE INCREASED? WE INCREASED BY ONE AND IT ALSO INCREASED THE COURT BUILDING BY ONE.
FROM WHAT YOU SAW INITIALLY, SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK IT, IT SEEMED THAT THERE WERE, IS IT, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU DONE, UM, IT, WOULD THERE POTENTIALLY BE SPACE IN THAT PARKING STRUCTURE? I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SEPARATING THINGS OUT, BUT WE DO HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND WE ALREADY HAVE A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT'S BEING CREATED.
IS THERE A PORTION OF THAT? THAT COULD BE, I THINK THAT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FIRST AS A FIRST ANALYSIS OF THAT IS WE WOULD REALLY REEVALUATE WHERE THAT CONTROL GATE IS.
AND MAYBE IT'S GET PUSHED BACK AND MAYBE MORE OF THAT SPACE IS PROPORTIONED OVER TO CIVILIAN PARKING.
NOW HERE'S A QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, IF YOU PURCHASED OUR IMAGINARY ADJACENT LOT FOR A HYPOTHETICAL EXERCISE HERE, 'CAUSE A LOT OF THIS IS JUST, IS, IS GAMING THINGS OUT LIKE THIS.
YOU PURCHASED IT AND THERE WAS MONEY OUT THERE DEDICATED OR THE, THE NURSERY WANTED TO, UH, CONTRIBUTE.
UM, AND THEN YOU BUILD A PARKING GARAGE THERE, YOU BUILD IT.
DO YOU BUILD THAT PARKING GARAGE FOR THAT ONE DAY A MONTH WHERE THE TRAFFIC COURT EXISTS AND THEN HAVE IT EMPTY FOR THE OTHER 29 DAYS? ONE DAY A MONTH? I HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER ASK.
UM, PEGGY WORKS ONE DAY A MONTH.
NO, I, IT'S, IT'S BUSIER ON DAYS THAN THAT.
WE, I THINK IT'S SO FLUCTUATES ONCE A WEEK.
SO IN THIS, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY FORM-BASED FORMULA THAT WE'VE GOT HERE ALSO, UM, FOR THE PARKING GARAGE CAN, AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING IN YOUR PLANNING THAT YOU WOULD THINK OF, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO STRUCTURALLY WHEN WE, IF AND WHEN WE BUILD IT, TO MAKE IT SO THAT A ANOTHER LEVEL CAN BE ADDED.
LIKEWISE, ANOTHER THOUGHT IS BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY, THE, WHICH RUNS BY THE POND, THAT THAT IDEA OF BUILDING SOMETHING OVER THE POND OR, UH, AT LEAST PARTIALLY OVER THE POND CAN ALSO HAPPEN AS FUTURE THINK SO.
AND UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS FOR THE MUNICIPAL, UM, UH, EQUIPMENT, UM, THE EXTRA AMBULANCE OR WHATEVER IT IS, MAN VEHICLE, THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
POLICE CARS AND STUFF THAT WE, SO IT'S, BUT IF YOU HAVE WEDNESDAYS, MAYBE YOU JUST, UM, MAN, UM, A SORT OF A CHECK IN CHECKOUT, UM, THROUGH THE, WE STILL HAVE THIS BARRIER FOR MOST OF THE TIME.
AND THEN YOU OPEN IT UP AND YOU CAN BRING PEOPLE ONTO, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE IMPOUND LOT? IS THAT GONNA BE IN THE GARAGE? GREAT QUESTION.
BECAUSE THE IMPOUND LOT IS, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THAT? IT IS UNSIGHTLY ANOTHER EXCELLENT QUESTION.
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PRESENTATION.THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER.
COULD I CLARIFY SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY BEFORE WE MOVE ON? TRAFFIC COURT IS EITHER TWO OR THREE TIMES A WEEK.
THAT'S DIFFERENT INFORMATION THAT I, I HAD BEFORE.
BUT YOU STILL, IT'S ONLY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO YOU COULD STILL, MAN, YOU COULD STILL HAVE YOUR SECURE AREA FOR MOST, AND TRAFFIC COURT IS AT NIGHT, RIGHT? IT'S DURING, IT'S DURING THE DAY.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE HAD TO GET
YOU GOTTEN TICKETS IN THE VILLAGES.
BUT IN THE TOWN IT'S DURING BECAUSE THEY USE THEIR VILLAGE HALL, RIGHT? THE COURT, YES.
BUT I, I THINK THAT IF YOU FOUND THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE MORE PARKING THAT THIS GARAGE COULD BE, AND THE SECURITY ABOUT THE GARAGE COULD BE HANDLED, AND THE VEHICLES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ARE THOSE ARE VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING IN AND OUT ON A DAILY BASIS? OR ARE THESE VEHICLES THAT ARE STORED? BOTH.
BUT YEAH, THERE'S GONNA BE VEHICLES THAT WE'RE GONNA WANNA SHELTER HAVE IN THE STRUCTURE, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR DAY IN, DAY OUT.
HOW WE WOULD MAKE USE OF THE SPACE IN THE, IN ITS ENTIRETY.
REMEMBER THE COURT EMPLOYEES, THEY DRIVE TO WORK MM-HMM
SO IT'S NOT JUST POLICE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES VEHICLES.
IT'S COURT EMPLOYEE VEHICLES MM-HMM
IF WE FREE UP SPACE IN ONE AREA MM-HMM
THERE'S MORE PARKING FOR THE PUBLIC THAN OTHERS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN TRY TO WRAP OUR HEADS AROUND EXACTLY HOW WE WOULD DO IT.
THE REALITY IS, IS, YOU KNOW, MOVING WHAT WE KNOW WE CAN MOVE AND THEN FIGURING OUT THE BEST WAYS TO MAKE THE MOST OF THE SPACE ONCE IT'S AVAILABLE.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO SURVEY THE CARS THAT DO PARK ON OLD TERRYTOWN ROAD ON A TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, TO SEE TYPICALLY WHAT IT IS ON A TRAFFIC? I MEAN, THE WORST, THE WORST DAYS OF THE WEEK OR THE, THE WORST EXAMPLES MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, THE CARS WILL SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, LINE UP, UM, THE NUMBER OF CARS AND IT'S, IT'S FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IT'S NO, I I, I REMEMBER HAVING TO DO IT AND I WAS SCARED TO DEATH WALKING.
LIKE, I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY IT MIGHT BE LIKE 20 CARS, BUT IT'S NOT AN ALL DAY THING.
CURRENTLY WITHOUT THE, WITHOUT THE NURSERY THERE, THERE'S 166 TOTAL PARKING SPACES ON PROPERTY, AND THE PARKING GARAGE IS GONNA GIVE US ABOUT 140.
SO WE HAVE ALL THOSE EXTRA SPACES AND WE'RE LOOKING MOSTLY AT THE FLEET VEHICLES, EMERGENCY VEHICLES BEING STORED ON THE GROUND FLOOR, RIGHT.
WITH STAFF PARKING ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND USING THAT SECURED WALKWAY TO GO INTO THE MAIN BUILDING.
BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT WE LOOK AT IS THE FLOW OF PATROL OPERATIONS.
PEOPLE ARE COMING TO WORK, THEY GO TO THE, THE FITNESS AREA, OR THEY, THEY GET DRESSED AND THEN THEY GO TO ROLL CALL AND THEY GRAB THEIR BAGS AND THEIR BODY CAMERAS AND THEIR EQUIPMENT, AND THEN THEY GO RIGHT OUT.
SO THEY'RE ONLY IN A PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO UP THREE FLIGHTS AND DOWN TWO FLIGHTS LIKE WE DO NOW.
AND THAT'S A VERY DIFFERENT FLOW FROM, FROM, UH, PEOPLE COMING TO COURT.
SO THE FLOW COMING TO COURT WOULD BE THAT THEY PARK AND THEY WALK RIGHT INTO THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
THERE'S A WINDOW FOR POLICE RECORDS.
THERE'S A WINDOW FOR THE DESK OFFICER, THERE'S A WINDOW FOR THE COURT AND THEN SECURITY TO ACCESS THE COURT BUILDING MM-HMM
NOW DO ALL OF THE VEHICLES HAVE TO BE, COULD THEY BE SOME SUBSET B REMOTE, LIKE ACROSS THE STREET ON THAT PROPERTY? WELL, SOME WOULD BE IN THE EMS AREA.
BUT IN ADDITION, RIGHT, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT IS AND WHAT WE'RE THINKING, STILL THERE'S A TRAFFIC OR A PARKING ISSUE.
SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY, UH, SUBSET THAT COULD BE REMOTE NOT TOO FAR THAT YOU WOULDN'T NEED IMMEDIATELY, ESPECIALLY DURING THOSE.
WELL, WITH ALL THE STORES THOUGH, THERE'S AN AREA, WELL, THAT I THINK ANSWER MY QUESTION.
I'M, I'M TRYING, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER, BUT LET ME KNOW IF I'M NOT CATCHING RIGHT.
ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'LL HAVE THE VEHICLES THAT WE NEED TO SHELTER, SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PRESERVE THEM FOR A LONGER LIFE.
SO WHEN I SAY EMPLOYEES TOO, IT'S NOT JUST POLICE DEPART, IT'S NOT JUST POLICE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES, IT'S COURT EMPLOYEES.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OTHER TOWN EMPLOYEES BUILDING MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, ANYTIME ANY WORK IS BEING DONE IN THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, UM, EVEN WHEN THEY BRING THE MAIL, THERE'S TOWN VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME.
EVEN IF, IF THEY'RE NOT THERE ALL DAY, IF INTO OUR LOT, STAYING LEAVING.
SO THE IDEA OF HAVING THINGS SET UP WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN COME IN, THEY CAN COME INTO A COMMON AREA, BE DIRECTED.
BUT, UM, AND THEN HAVE THE PARKING GARAGE AGAIN FOR ME RIGHT NOW, ULTIMATELY EXACTLY HOW WE WOULD, I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURE OF IT, DIVVY UP THE USE OF THE PARKING GARAGE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF IT WOULD BE PUTTING THE VEHICLES WE NEED TO PUT THERE, THERE, AND THEN MAKING THE BEST USE OF THE SPACE THAT'S LEFT.
BUT IT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO FREE SPACE UP IN THE FRONT SO THAT WAY SOMEONE COMING INTO THE MAIN ENTRANCE,
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THEY DON'T NEED TO PARK IN THE BACK PER SE.OR IF PEOPLE COMING INTO COURT HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THE NEW ENTRANCE, THEY DON'T NEED TO PARK IN THE BACK.
SAME TIME THE COURT EMPLOYEES, THEY WILL BE PARKING IN THE BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA PARK IN THE BACK AND GO IN LIKE ALL THE OTHER EMPLOYEES.
WELL, I GUESS, UM, LET ME REPHRASE.
WE'RE STILL, EVEN WITH ALL THOSE OPTIONS, WE'RE SAYING WE MIGHT STILL HAVE A PARKING ISSUE, RIGHT? I MEAN, I, I THINK DURING COURT CASE WITH THE EXTRA LEVELS, IT SHOULD BE ENOUGH SPACE, I THINK TO ACCOMMO.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE A PARKING ISSUE WITH YOUR POLICE VEHICLES.
THE PARKING ISSUE IS WITH THE COURT.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS FOR THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT WE WOULD GET FOR THE COURT, BUT THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, I THINK ULTIMATELY IT WOULD REALLY ALLEVIATE THE ISSUE.
I DON'T SEE IT CONTINUING TO BE AN ISSUE AS THE PUBLIC.
SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE ISSUE TO WHICH OF OF CARS PARKED ON THE ROADWAY ON TARRYTOWN ROAD.
YOU FEEL? WE REALLY SHOULDN'T.
UNLESS ONE OF YOU FEEL, I THINK COURT DAYS.
I, I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS FOR US TO GIVE YOU THE RIGHT ANSWERS.
THERE ARE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS THAT REALLY, UM, WILL, THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND BEYOND THE TEAM TO, UM, TO DO ALL THESE SORT OF NITTY GRITTY THINGS.
BUT WE FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED WHERE THAT THAT BARRIER FOR SECURITY GOES, UM, HOW THE FUNCTION OF THE GARAGE GOES.
WE EVEN LOOKED AT PUTTING TWO DIFFERENT, UH, WAYS INTO THE GARAGE.
ONE FOR THE PUBLIC AND ONE MM-HMM
UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF THE COSTING, BUT WE THINK WE HAVE ALTERNATIVES.
I WAS JUST LOOKING TO, UM, AS WITHOUT RESOLVING A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED AS BEING DEFINITIVE YET, BUT IN SPEAKING TO COUNCILWOMAN HABER'S CONCERN, THERE IS THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE WAY.
SO WHAT I WAS ASKING IS IF THERE WAS SOME SET OF THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES SAY THAT DIDN'T NEED TO BE USED ALL THE TIME, IF THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY TO CREATE A STRUCTURE THERE IN ORDER TO KEEP SOME OF THE VEHICLES THERE.
I I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT WAS EVEN REMOTELY A POSSIBILITY.
I DON'T WANNA SOLVE A PROBLEM THAT WE DON'T KNOW WE HAVE YET.
AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THE LOT, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, ACROSS THE WAY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE.
UM, COULD THERE BE SATELLITE STORAGE THERE? COULD WE REMOVE SOME OF THE STORAGE FUNCTIONS AND THEN, UM, MOVE THEM ACROSS THE, THE WAY AND THOSE WERE REJECTED AS, AS SOMEWHAT TOO DIFFICULT.
HOW MANY ACRES? IT'S, BUT IT WAS GOOD QUESTION.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER GREAT USE FOR IT, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD BE TO HAVE THAT, THAT TRIANGLE OF SPACE B, THE IMPOUND LOT, ALTHOUGH IT'S SUCH A VISIBLE SLICE.
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BASHED UP CARS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
NOW IN THE CITY, WE JUST PARK 'EM ON 35TH STREET AND YOU WALK BY, BUT IT'S, IT'S KIND OF GHASTLY TO LOOK AT LIKE 10 SMASHED UP CARS.
DON'T WANT, YOU ALSO WANT TO KEEP IT SECURE BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON.
MY CAR, WHEN I GOT CARJACKED, SAT AT A HUNDREDTH STREET FOR TWO MONTHS, RIGHT ON THE STREET, UM, OPEN TO ANYONE AND EVERYBODY.
HUNDRED AND WHAT? IN AMSTERDAM.
HUNDRED AND IN AMSTER AT THE 24, HOW DID THEY MAINTAIN THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY? SO IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL COST OF ALL THIS, WELL, WHAT DO I, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CASE? SO LET'S, LET'S JUST KEEP GOING, RIGHT? SO THIS NEXT ONE WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT, BUT THIS AS A CLOSER RENDERING, SHOWING THIS COLON AID ENTRY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT JUST SOME KIND OF ENTRY PRESENCE THAT, THAT IS SINGULAR IN NATURE AND, AND VERY MUCH.
AND THEN THE NEXT RENDERING, UM, IS THE TWO STORY EMS. AND WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THE TOPOGRAPHY CHANGE IS THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE IMPACTING VIEWS OF THE EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S REMAINING.
AND THEN THIS SHOWS THIS BACK, UM, UH, BACK ROAD ACCESS THAT COULD BE, UM, COULD HAVE A, UM, A GATE OR, OR SOMETHING, SOME KIND OF CONTROLS.
I, I'VE ALREADY STATED THIS, BUT THE, THE, THE, UH, SINCE YOU'VE SEEN IT LAST, THE CORE FACILITY HAS GAINED A, A FLOOR AND THE CORRESPONDING SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE PARKING GARAGE HAS GAINED THE, THE, UH, PARKING, WHICH IS AN ADDITIONAL 50 CARS.
WELL, THE LAST TIME YOU MET, I THINK YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD IT TO HAVE AN EXTRA FLOOR AND THEN POTENTIAL.
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YES.BUT THEN THAT'S EX, THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, THERE'S AN EXTRA COST TO THAT.
SO NOW YOU'VE PUT IN THE EXTRA FLOOR.
AND WHAT I WAS, WHAT I SUGGEST MY OTHER TO ANOTHER ONE OTHER QUESTION IS BASED ON THAT, BUT YET GOING UP EVEN ONE MORE
I BELIEVE YOU WERE THE ONE TO SUGGEST THAT, THAT IT BE BUILT TO THREE RATHER THAN TWO.
UM, IN THE LAST MEETING, IF I CAN RECALL.
UM, THESE ARE, THAT WAS A GREAT SUGGESTION.
THAT'S THE, UM, FACILITY THAT, THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING WOULD BE PRECAST CONCRETE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY CAST ACROSS THE RIVER AND THEN BROUGHT OVER IN A TRUCK AND BOLTED INTO PLACE.
SO IT'S A MORE FORGIVING TYPE OF EXPANSION THAN, UM, ADDING A FLOOR TO AN OFFICE BUILDING.
DRUM ROLL MEAN, DO YOU HAVE A DRUM ROLL
AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO, I MEAN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'D HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ON TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS FLESHED OUT.
AND WHAT'S THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, WENT UP SO MUCH AND WELL THERE? WELL, SOME OF IT IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING SPACE TO THIS WHOLE THING FLOOR.
WE ARE ADDING FLOORS, RIGHT? LETTING FLOORS RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON.
AND ALSO WE'RE, WE'RE FURTHER IN THE PROCESS REALLY.
AND ALSO THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS IN TERMS OF, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS JUST A MASTER PLAN.
SO WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE DETAILS OF IT, THERE'S A WAY TO, UM, SET UP THE DRAWINGS THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL FLOORS, UH, THOSE ADDITIONAL FLOORS COULD BE AN AD ALTERNATE.
SO IF THEY'RE PRICING, IF IT'S A FAVORABLE TIME FOR, UM, CONSTRUCTION, UH, YOU COULD HAVE THE WHOLE PROJECT.
AND IF IT'S NOT FAVORABLE AND YOU GET THE ORIGINAL PROJECT THAT WE HAD STARTED WITH THE LAST TIME, SO WE HAVE OPTIONS IN TERMS OF, OF MAXIMIZING, UM, YOUR OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT SOME OF THEM ARE NOT REALLY OPTIONS LIKE THE PARKING, IT REALLY ISN'T AN OPTION.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO FIGURE INTO WHATEVER.
BUT THE EXTRA 50 SPACES BUILD IT NOW.
YOU KNOW, I I, I STILL BELIEVE THAT, LIKE, I KNOW WHEN SACKS, THE COURT DIDN'T LIKE MY IDEA, BUT WHEN SACHS OFF FIFTH AVENUE, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A BLOCK AWAY FROM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
UH, THEY WENT OUT AND I SAID, WHY DON'T THEY MOVE THE COURT THERE? THERE'S FREE PARKING THERE.
UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LARGE SPACE.
AND I, I FELT THAT, UM, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE A, UH, AND AGAIN, THE JUDGES DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I STILL THINK THAT WELL, THEY WANNA BE, MUST BE, I STILL FEEL IF WE MADE LIKE A MAJOR EFFORT TO FIND, UH, A FREE STANDING BUILDING AND YOU KNOW, WE, I I, THE COURT WANTS TO BE NEXT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
NO, I'M SAYING THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T.
THEY WANT TO BE NEXT TO THE POLICE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT I'M SAYING I, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT AN AMOUNT, ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO FIND HIS LOCATE.
WHAT WAS THE BASIS? THIS, THIS IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE A COURTHOUSE.
NO, BECAUSE, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE, I'M JUST SAYING, THE CONCERN I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN A YEAR AGO IT WAS 39 MILLION.
SO I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT $47 MILLION GONNA BE, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE THAN 47 MILLION.
SO I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THIS, FIRST AND FOREMOST, TO BUILD A NEW COURTHOUSE.
THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DETENTION CELLS, FOR THE SALLY PORT, FOR ALL OF THOSE HEADQUARTERS, NO COURT, THE COURT COURTHOUSE HAS TO HAVE, IT HAS A, WE DO A LOT OF COURTHOUSE WORK AND THERE ARE A LOT OF FACILITIES THAT ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN JUST BUILDING OFFICE SPACE.
SO IN OUR INITIAL ANALYSIS, IT SEEMED SO PRUDENT, UM, TO TRY AND MAINTAIN THOSE EXPENSIVE PIECES OF THE COURTHOUSE.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS THAT OUR COST ESTIMATOR USED THE HIGHEST END OF THE RANGES OF THINGS.
AND HE'S INCLUDED ESCALATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH, UH, THIS DRAWN OUT PERIOD OF 50 MONTHS.
SO IN, AND HE'S DONE A, DID HE DO A DESIGN ESCALATION AS WELL IN THERE? UM, SO THERE, THERE'S, YEAH, THERE'S SOME, UH, CONTINGENCIES, RIGHT? THERE'S CON AND SO WE FEEL THAT THIS, THIS
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JUMP, UM, OF $8 MILLION IS MOSTLY THE FUNCTION OF INCREASED SPACE AND INCREASED PARKING.SO WE'RE IMMEDIATELY ADDRESSING A BIG CONCERN IF WE WANNA BUILD IT.
SO I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK AT THIS MOMENT WITH THIS MUCH INFORMATION THAT, UM, THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TOO MUCH OVER THE 47TH.
LEMME JUST, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? UM, BECAUSE I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU STARTED OUT WITH THE IDEA OF RE REFURBISHING THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE AND REHABBING THE WHOLE COMPLEX.
AND THEN YOU NOTED THAT YOU CAME FULL CIRCLE BACK TO THAT.
SO IF YOU WOULD GIVE US AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT FULL CIRCLE IS, MAYBE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.
WELL, WE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS, RIGHT? COULD YOU TALK, SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? SO THAT'S, WOULD YOU JUST YEAH.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THESE ALTERNATIVE LOCATIONS, YOU'RE PAYING FOR A COMPLETELY NEW COURTHOUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO RE REHAB THE EXISTING COURTHOUSE.
SO AGAIN, YOU HAVE, YOU'D HAVE A SIGNIFICANT JUMP RIGHT THERE TOO.
SO THAT'S WHY THOSE NUMBERS RENEW AND REHABBING THIS OR CLOSE, YOU KNOW, CLOSER THAN WE THOUGHT.
RIGHT? SO IF YOU WERE TO, TO SEPARATE THE COURTHOUSE AND GO ELSEWHERE, NOW A COUPLE, JUST BEAR WITH ME.
IT WOULD, NUMBER ONE, COST MORE MONEY BECAUSE YES.
OF THE SPECIALTY FEATURES THAT HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN A COURTHOUSE.
AND NUMBER TWO, YOU WOULD BE SEPARATING THE COURTHOUSE FROM THE POLICE STATION, WHICH RIGHT FROM THE GET GO.
AND THE, THE COURTS AND THE POLICE HAVE SAID FOR YEARS THAT THEY REALLY WOULD PREFER TO KEEP THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR, AND IF YOU WOULD EXPLAIN THOSE REASONS, JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY ABOUT THEM.
I REMEMBER PRISONER MOVEMENT, SECURITY.
NO, PARDON? I SAID PRISONER MOVEMENT SECURITY.
PRISONER MOVEMENTS AND SECURITY.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T HEAR YOU SAYING THAT PRISONER.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE FIRST AND FOREMOST, BECAUSE THEN THERE'S A COST TO THAT.
IF THE COURTHOUSE WERE REMOTE ALSO TO PRIS PRISONER MOVEMENT AND SECURITY, YOU'D NEED MORE SECURITY.
THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL COSTS.
I JUST HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE COULD DO THAT, COULD GET APPROVED BY THE PUBLIC IN A REFERENDUM, AND I, I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY OWN PERSONAL FEELING, I FEEL, YOU KNOW, FROM SPEAKING TO PEOPLE, IF I SAY $47 MILLION, I THINK THERE'S LIKE PRACTICALLY NO CHANCE IT'S GONNA GET APPROVED.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MY, MY PERSONAL THING.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT WOULD, IF THERE WERE STILL 39.4 MILLION, I'M NOT DONE.
SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS, IS THERE A WAY OF PUTTING IT, YOU KNOW, TAKING PART OF YOUR MASTER, YOU KNOW, YOUR MASTER PLAN AND SAY WE'RE GONNA DO, UM, I'M JUST THROWING LIKE A $18 MILLION, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BOND, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, REFERENDUM.
UM, AND, UM, THIS IS WHY WE'RE GONNA GET, THIS IS PHASE ONE.
WE'RE GONNA SEE HOW, YOU KNOW, THAT WORKS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A YOU, A YEAR OR TWO OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW, WE COULD SAY, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA GO WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, A PHASE TWO OR PHASE THREE.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF WE, IF WE MAY DID THIS LIKE IN BITE SIZE AMOUNTS THAT PEOPLE WILL FEEL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WON'T INCREASE THE TAXES A LOT, ALL OF A SUDDEN I THINK THERE'S A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING IT THROUGH.
CAN I, WELL, THE BONDING, IF, IF I, I'M JUST SORRY.
THE BONDING WOULDN'T NOT BE SEQUENTIAL BECAUSE BONDING IS OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
SO YOU WOULD BE LAYERING, BONDING OVER BONDING AND THE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, BUT THE AMOUNTS OF MONEY WOULD END UP BEING, BEING THE SAME.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT SAVES IT.
WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION MULTIPLE TIMES SINCE I WAS TEMPORARILY ON THE BOARD SINCE 2019.
I, I WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE $47 MILLION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH.
I WOULD SUPPORT DOING SOMETHING THAT, UM, THAT WOULD BE, UH, MORE AFFORDABLE.
WHEN I SPEAK TO RESIDENTS, PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TAXES.
I, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE ASSESSMENTS HAVE GONE UP, TAXES HAVE GONE UP.
THERE'S NO APPETITE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A $47 MILLION BOND, UH, REFERENDUM.
SO IT'S DEAD BEFORE IT'S DEAD.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF WE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S MORE AFFORDABLE, THEN I THINK THAT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD GET PASSED BY THE VOTERS.
LET'S HEAR FROM, SO IF YOU'VE BEEN READING, UH, GENERAL NEWS, THERE ARE A LOT OF BOND REFERENDUMS THAT GET PUBLISHED IN LOCAL PAPERS.
UM, LONG ISLAND, WESTCHESTER, UH, JUST SCHOOLS ARE 30 MILLION, 40 MILLION.
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IT'S BETTER TO HIT THEM WITH THE, THE REAL COST, YOU KNOW, ONE AND DONE, YOU GET OVER IT.IT'S A BOND OVER 30 YEARS IF WE USE THE RIGHT, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND, AND DEAL WITH ALL THAT.
AND I THINK THAT, THAT THE, IF YOU, IN YOUR PRESENTATION AND HOW, I MEAN YOU PRESENT THIS TO THE PUBLIC, YOU CAN DO IT BY SHOWING, UM, UH, OTHER EXAMPLES IN THAT ARE IN LOCAL AND WHAT HAPPENS, I THINK THE, THE KILLING THEM WITH SOFT CUTS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, ISN'T THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU, YOU SAY THIS, THIS WHOLE PROJECT, THIS WHOLE VISION IS GONNA GIVE YOU SO MUCH MORE.
UM, IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT'S UP TO STANDARDS.
IT'S GOING TO HAVE IMPROVED COURTS, IT'S GONNA HAVE IMPROVED PUBLIC, UM, ACCESS AND PARKING AND WHATEVER.
IT'S THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT FOR THE NEXT STEP THAT WE THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO, TO SELL TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW THIS IS A PORTION BETWEEN THE A BUDGET AND THE B BUDGET.
IS IT REALLY ONE BOND? IS IT ONE 47 MILLION BOND? OR IS IT SEPARATED OUT IN SOME WAY BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE HAVE TO BUDGET? IT WOULD BE SEPARATED OUT.
BUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM HERE IS THAT THE TOWN HAS ALREADY COLLECTED $39.4 MILLION FROM TAXPAYERS FOR THE COURTHOUSE.
THAT INCLUDES THE VILLAGES, AS OUR CONTROLLER SAYS.
SHE FINDS IT UNCONSCIONABLE TO ASK THE TOWN RESIDENTS, INCLUDING THE VILLAGES, TO PAY NOW $47 MILLION FOR A COURTHOUSE.
THEY'VE ALREADY PAID $39.4 MILLION IN OUR BUDGETS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE GET A BOND THAT'S GONNA PASS WITHOUT CONVINCING THEM SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, PLEASE PAY THAT MONEY AGAIN.
NOW WHAT WE'RE HEARING IN THIS PROPOSAL IS WE'RE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, VALUE ENGINEERING, THE COURTHOUSE PART OF THIS, WHEN WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT MONEY THERE THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD THE THREE CHAMBERS.
WE COULD HAVE HAD MAYBE EVEN A SECOND COURTHOUSE SO THAT THE VILLAGES, AND THIS IS HOW YOU SELL IT TO THE VILLAGES.
THE VILLAGES EACH HAVE THEIR OWN JUDGE, AND THEY'RE USING THEIR MUNICIPAL BUILDING FOR THEIR COURTHOUSE.
BUT THAT'S ALL EXTRA MONEY THAT THE VILLAGE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING TO THE VILLAGES THAT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE TO, BECAUSE SINCE IT'S IN THE A BUDGET, THE COURT SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IS PAID FOR BY VILLAGE RESIDENTS AS WELL.
SO THEY'RE PAYING FOR THEIR VILLAGE COURT, THEIR VILLAGE JUDGE, THEIR VILLAGE ADMINISTRATION.
AT THE SAME TIME THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THE TOWN COURT, WHICH SHOULD REALLY INCLUDE THE VILLAGES.
'CAUSE JUST LIKE THEY EACH HAD THEIR OWN ASSESSOR, WHICH TO ME WAS A WASTE OF MONEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE TOWN ASSESSOR.
SO NOW THE TOWN ASSESSOR DOES ALL THE ASSESSING FOR ALL THE VILLAGES.
SO SOMEHOW TO MAKE THIS PALATABLE, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE BUILD THIS SO THAT THERE'S AN ADVANTAGE TO THE VILLAGES BECAUSE THEY GET TO VOTE.
SO THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT MAKING IT EXPANSIVE ENOUGH TO MAYBE GIVE THEM SOME OVERFLOW SPACE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ROOM TO DO THE WAY IT CURRENTLY IS, UNLESS WE DO HAVE THIS EXTRA, WELL, THERE'S NOT A FOURTH FLOOR ON THE COURT BUILDING.
BUT COULD THAT ACCOMMODATE, UH, IS THAT ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE ANY ON THE POLICE BUILDING? YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW.
WE DUNNO, IT'S, WELL, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT THAT THE INTERIOR SPACE, THAT'S PHASE TWO FOR US OR THE NEXT, I MEAN, WE'VE, WHAT WE'VE DONE TONIGHT IS, IS WE'VE DELIVERED WHAT WE PROMISED YOU, RIGHT? OR AT LEAST WE THINK WE DELIVERED WHAT WE PROMISED YOU.
AND NOW WE'VE ACTUALLY EVEN, UM, AMONG OURSELVES TALKED ABOUT WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT, UM, BITE TO TAKE TO GET MORE INFORMATION IN MORE DETAIL IF WE WANTED TO JUST DO THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, YOU KNOW, WHICH, THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASKED.
YOU KNOW, EARLIER ON, YOU'RE THE POLICE AND YOU SAID THERE'S SOMETHING, THERE'S SOME STEPS THAT WOULD, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO.
HOW MUCH WOULD THAT JUST, HOW MUCH WOULD JUST BE THE POLICE AND SOME OF THE, UH, IT, IT ALL WORKS.
YOU CAN'T CUT IT UP LIKE THAT.
IT ALL WORKS TOGETHER AND IT'S BUILT, IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.
FIRST YOU GOTTA HANDLE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, WHICH IS THE PARKING.
THEN YOU'VE GOTTA HANDLE THE POLICE.
THEN YOU HANDLE THE, BUT LET ME ASK A QUESTION, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW,
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THE, THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND I'M SPEAKING FROM MYSELF, IS THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS DOESN'T MEET A DA STANDARDS.YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S WIRING PROBLEMS THERE.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SAFETY ISSUES.
WE KNOW THAT THE PI THINK EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY RECOGNIZES THAT THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS HAS TO BE DONE.
SO THE THING IS, IF WE COULD, IF THERE'S LIKE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE TOWN BOARD IS GONNA ADDRESS THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'RE GONNA PUT A BOND REFERENDUM THAT ONLY UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, ARE GONNA VOTE FOR.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS THE POLICE, UM, UH, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S SAY WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, I THINK IT WAS LIKE FOUR OR 5 MILLION.
IF THERE'S A WAY OF COMING UP WITH THAT, WE COULD THEN, UM, PUT IT ON FOR REFERENDUM.
I'M PRETTY CONVINCED THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS BECAUSE EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S IMPORTANT.
MR. FINER, IF I MAY, THE, THE ISSUE IS THE ISSUES ARE INTERCONNECTED.
LET'S JUST TAKE THIS PIECE AND FIX THIS PIECE.
BECAUSE HOW MUCH ROOM WE HAVE FOR PARKING AFFECTS HOW MUCH ROOM WE HAVE FOR CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, HOW MUCH ROOM WE HAVE FOR THE PEOPLE WORKING.
WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE THE CHANGES WHILE WE WORK IN PLACE, VERSUS HAVING TO FIND ANOTHER SPACE SO THAT THE WORK CAN BE DONE WITHOUT US THERE.
SO YOU REALLY CAN'T JUST COOKIE CUTTER, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE PUZZLE AND JUST SAY, I'M GONNA TAKE THIS PIECE OUT OF THE PUZZLE AND I'M GONNA FIX THIS ONE PIECE.
NO, BUT SO, SO THIS IS A PLAN FOR PIECE BY PIECE IN THE MOST LOGICAL, SENSIBLE ORDER, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS AND THEN MOVING FORWARDS TOWARDS THE FINAL SOLUTION.
AND IT INCLUDES POLICE DEPARTMENT WORK.
SO THIS IS NOT JUST, UH, ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE COURTHOUSE, IT'S THE COURTHOUSE.
AND PART OF THIS PLAN IS REFURBISHING, AT LEAST IN PART THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT THERE, THERE'S ALSO, I JUST HAVE TO SAY, THERE'S A DISCONNECT.
WHEN WE TALKED, WHEN WE WERE TALKING, PLEASE FORGIVE ME IN BUDGETING ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE NO LONGER HAD THE $39.4 MILLION, WHICH WE ALL THOUGHT WE, THE, THE, THE TOWN COUNCIL THOUGHT WAS ATTRIBUTED TO THE COURTHOUSE, YOU SAID, SO WE'LL BOND FOR IT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL JUST BOND FOR THAT MONEY.
AND BASICALLY THAT'S AS MUCH AS WE WOULD BE BONDING FOR, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE THE 7.4 MILLION, WHICH IS, WHICH IS THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO YOU'RE SAYING ONE THING, ONE TIME AND ANOTHER, ANOTHER TIME.
SO THERE'S SOME DISCONNECT THERE.
I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT BASICALLY THE TOWN, FORGIVE ME FOR THAT BOARD, UH, PASSED YOUR RESO, THERE WAS ONE RESOLUTION PASSED, UH, SAYING THAT 7.4 MILLION GOES TO THE COURTHOUSE.
THAT'S THE ONLY RESOLUTION THAT WAS EVER PASSED BY THE TOWN BOARD DEDICATING, UH, FUNDING, LEMME SAY DEDICATING FUNDING ONLY FOR THE COURTHOUSE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 39 MILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS, THE BOARD NEVER CHOSE TO PASS RESOLUTIONS THAT IS REQUIRED BY LAW TO DEDICATE, UM, YOU KNOW, FUNDING FOR THAT PURPOSE.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, MY FAILING IS THAT RIGHT NOW, UH, IF WE COULD HAVE COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, UM, WOULD BE LESS EXPENSIVE, THAT WOULD BE, SORRY, DEALING WITH UNINCORPORATED, YOU KNOW, GREENBURG, THE P THE WHAT WOULD BE LIKE THE LEAST EXPENSIVE OPTION JUST FOR THE P THANK YOU FOR BASICALLY THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS.
AND IF YOU FEEL THAT WE NEED THE PARKING OR STAGING AREAS OR WHATEVER ELSE, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO BREAK IT UP, WHAT, WHAT WOULD WOULD THAT BE? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO PEOPLE, TO THE VILLAGE RESIDENTS AND, AND WE WE'RE FOCUSING JUST ON SAY, THE POLICE AND SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY SUPPORTS, MAYBE, MAYBE WE COULD GET IT THROUGH.
UM, AND, BUT THIS IS, I'M SORRY, AS AN ARCHITECT WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE TO GO FOR BONDING, IT'S THE SAME IN EVERY COMMUNITY.
NOBODY WANTS A BIG INCREASE IN THEIR TAXES.
BUT WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IS A PROBLEM WITH CIRCULATION.
YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT WORK.
YOU CAN'T WALK THE PUBLIC IN BETWEEN THE INTERVIEW ROOM OF, OF A SUSPECT AND THE CAPTAIN'S OFFICE.
I MEAN THE, THE, IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING LIKE, LET'S FIX THE A DA AND WIRING.
THIS IS CATASTROPHIC PROBLEMS IN THE DESIGN OF THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND YOU HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM.
SO WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO SAY TO YOU IS, FIRST WE DEAL WITH CIRCULATION, THEN WE DEAL WITH, UM, THE
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ELEMENTS THAT DON'T WORK FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING THE BLUE, THE BLUE BLOCK THAT.SO I, I DON'T THINK AT THIS STAGE, BECAUSE YOUR CONCERNS ARE THE SAME CONCERNS THAT YOU EXPRESSED IN OUR INTERVIEW, UM, AND, UH, I DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT THAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT.
YOU'VE GOTTA LOOK AT THE BENEFITS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN TO ALL, TO THE PUBLIC, TO YOUR WORKERS, TO EVERYONE TO SAFETY, SECURITY.
JUST PUTTING EMS IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET OUT OF THE PARKING LOT TO ME IS CRAZY.
AND YOU HAVE ONE, UM, AMBULANCE THAT'S COVERED IN ONE THAT ISN'T.
AND, AND THEY WERE BOTH BOUGHT AT, IF I'M REMEMBERING THIS RIGHT, BOUGHT AT THE SAME TIME.
AND ONE IS DEGRADED SO MUCH FASTER THAN THE OTHER.
SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A THOUSAND DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, DIVIDE UP INTO BITE-SIZE ELEMENTS.
BUT, BUT WE CAN'T NOT JUST SAY THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN VISION IS THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE DRAWINGS WITH THE EXTRA FLOOR AND THE EX ON THE PARKING AND THE EXTRA FLOOR AND THE POLICE STATION.
WE CAN HAVE THAT, LIKE I SAID, AS AN AD ALTERNATE.
BUT I THINK YOU SHOULD GO AFTER IT, YOU KNOW, AS ONE PIECE.
I JUST, LEMME THING I'VE SPOKEN TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, I SPENT, I'VE SPENT LIKE OVER A YEAR SPEAKING TO PRACTICALLY EVERYBODY I COULD THINK OF.
THERE'S LIKE, AND BASED ON MY FEEDBACK AND I, I'M REACHING OUT TO TONS OF PEOPLE ALL OVER PEOPLE WHO WON A SEE THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS REBUILT.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S LIKE ZERO CHANCE THAT THE MASTER PLAN WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
BUT YOU HAVEN'T GONE NO, NO, NO.
BECAUSE LEMME SAY I, I FEEL I'M GIVING YOU MY HONEST OPINION.
I DO FEEL THAT IF WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE FELT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, LESS EXPENSIVE, UM, AND BASICALLY WE'RE DEALING WITH A DA AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE BASIC ISSUES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROVED.
AND I'M SAYING WHEN I LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, YOUR MISSING MR. FINER, IS IT BETTER TO GO FOR SOMETHING THAT IT'S GONNA GET REJECTED? IT'S DEFINITELY GONNA GET REJECTED.
IT WILL JUST BE ANOTHER BANDAID SITUATION.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IT DOESN'T, IT'S REJECTED FACES HAVE POSITIVITY HERE AND MAYBE IT WON'T GET REJECTED AS, AS WE CONTINUE TO LAY OUT THE CASE OF THE NEED OF THIS COURTHOUSE IN POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS, IT WON'T GET REJECTED.
WE SHOULDN'T BE SO NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
GET, WE SHOULDN'T BE SO NEGATIVE ABOUT TRYING TO GET SOMETHING PASSED.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE LAST, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR SIX YEARS.
WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE LAST 20, MAYBE EVEN 30 YEARS, MAYBE EVEN 35.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE AT A LOSS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING THAT WE WERE, WE THOUGHT WE HAD THAT WAS WRITTEN AND THAT WE VOTED ON.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT FUNDING, BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING.
THEY HAVE SPENT ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME.
WE HAVE PAID THEM FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
AND WE, WE KEEP YOU, WELL, NOT WE, BUT YOU KEEP GOING BACK AND SAYING THAT IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S NOT MEETING WHAT YOU WANT.
THEY HAVE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS COMING UP WITH DIFFERENT PLANS.
YOU WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, YOU CAME BACK FULL CIRCLE.
SO AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO GOING FORWARD, BUT TO COME BACK AND FORTH AND, AND TO KEEP BADGING TO, TO GET WHAT YOU WANT.
THE CHIEF HAS STATED, THE CAPTAINS HAS STATED, YOU, WE, WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.
BUT I ALSO THINK THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE OF THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
ONE OF OUR PROJECTS, WE DID A SURVEY, IT WAS THE MOST RESPONDED TO SURVEY THAT EVER EVEN THEY'VE HAD EVER HAD MM-HMM
WE DID, UM, A UM, ZOOM PUBLIC ZOOM MEETINGS MM-HMM
WHERE EVERYONE WAS ON AND PEOPLE WENT INTO ROOMS AND, AND WE GOT ALL THEIR CONCERNS.
AND THEN WE DID TWO DAYS, WAS IT TWO OR THREE DAYS? TWO DAYS, DAYS OF, OF IN-PERSON WHERE WE HAD BIG MAPS AND STICKIES AND, AND PEOPLE COULD WRITE DOWN ANONYMOUSLY WHAT THEY THOUGHT.
AND, AND THAT WENT A LONG WAY FOR, UM, US DEVELOPING.
UM, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, UH, AND IT COMES ACROSS VERY NEGATIVELY.
'CAUSE IT'S SO EXPENSIVE IS DIFFERENT FROM DOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT KINDS OF RESEARCH AND INVESTMENT.
YOU KNOW, YOU GET A DIFFERENT RESULT AND SO MUCH OF IT IS HOW YOU PRESENT IT.
SO IF YOU PRESENT IT IN A NEGATIVE WAY, LIKE YOU'VE DONE AROUND THIS TABLE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND YOU PRESENT IT IN A NEGATIVE WAY TO THE 10 OR 12 OR 20 PEOPLE THAT YOU SPEAK TO ALL THAT TIME, OR YOU PRESENT IT AS THE BENEFIT AND IN A WAY THAT ENGAGES THE COMMUNITY.
SO THEY'RE PART OF THE PROCESS, JUST LIKE RONETTE INDICATED, THEY'RE PART
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OF THE PROCESS.THEY'RE HELPING US TO CREATE IT THAT GIVES PEOPLE OWNERSHIP.
AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL THAT THEY HAVE THIS OWNERSHIP BECAUSE IT IS FOR THEM IN THE LONG RUN, NOT ONLY WILL IT BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED MANY TIMES HERE AND ELSEWHERE, BUT THE, THE COSTS, THIS, THERE'LL BE SAVINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HARD TO, UH, HARD TO QUANTIFY RIGHT NOW.
BUT ONE ANNETTE JUST MENTIONED, WHICH IS THE, THE TWO, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO EMS VEHICLES, THE ONE THAT'S PROTECTED AND THE ONE THAT'S NOT THE ONE THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE AT GREAT COST MUCH SOONER THAN WE ORDINARILY WOULD HAVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE TRANSPORTATION COSTS, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THERE.
THE THE POLICE OFFICER THAT'S DIRECTING PEOPLE AND THAT'S HIS TIME.
SMALL THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE, SO ULTIMATELY IT REALLY MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.
IT'S A LOT MORE SENSE FOR THE COURT TO FUNCTION PROPERLY.
IT'S A LOT MORE FOR THE, FOR, FOR THE POLICE TO FUNCTION PROPERLY.
AND THAT ONLY DEVOLVES TO WHAT WE GIVE OUR CONSTITUENTS AS A TOWN.
WHAT MAKES OUR TOWN GREAT BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT IMPROVING OUR FACILITIES.
LET, WE'RE 10 MINUTES BEHIND SCHEDULE.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE EVERYONE A HEADS UP.
LEMME SAY YOU ONE OTHER THING.
AND WE'RE NOT FUNDING 47 40, WE HAVE 7 MILLION OTHER ISSUES THAT I SEE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE TAXES IS THAT, UM, RIGHT NOW A NUMBER OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVE DONE THEIR OWN BOND ACTS FOR, UH, MAJOR CAPITAL EXPENDITURES IN, IN DIFFERENT SCHOOLS AND BA SO BASICALLY PEOPLE ARE SEEING THEIR, ARE TAXES GOING UP IN, IN MANY OF THE SCHOOL UNIT DISTRICTS.
SO PEOPLE ALREADY, SO WHEN I SPEAK TO PEOPLE, PEOPLE ARE SAY, YOU KNOW, INITIATIVE THAT KEEPS COMING UP IS, I DON'T WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TONS OF MORE.
I DON'T WANNA SEE MY TAXES, YOU KNOW, ESCALATING TOO MUCH.
SO WHAT I'M, THAT'S WHY I REALLY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER OFF, UH, TAKING A LOOK AT THIS, SEEING IF WE COULD PAIR IT DOWN TO SOMETHING THAT WILL ADDRESS A DA AND WIRING AND, UH, SOME OF THE PARKING ISSUES COME UP WITH SOMETHING MORE AFFORDABLE, THEN PUT IT ON THE REFERENDUM.
WE COULD PUT IT ON THE REFER IF WE DID THAT, WE COULD PUT SOMETHING ON A REFERENDUM, UH, FOR THIS NOVEMBER.
AND IF, AND I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS FOR SOMETHING TO PASS AND TO GET ACTUALLY SOMETHING ACCOMPLISHED RATHER THAN GO TO PUT SOMETHING, A BIG AMOUNT ON THE BUDGET ON THE BALLOT, GET IT REJECTED, AND THEN NOTHING'S GONNA HAPPEN FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS.
I SAYING I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I THINK I OPENED THIS DISCUSSION BY TALKING ABOUT THEIR MAIN EFFORT HAS BEEN TO TRY TO TAKE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT REPORT, WHICH WAS ALL, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FOUNDATION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND SEEING HOW WE COULD PAIR IT BACK.
I, YOU KNOW, I JUST DRAW DRAWINGS.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS BONDING STUFF.
I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, BUT I'VE NEVER DONE A MASTER PLANNING PROCESS BY INFORMAL TALLY LIKE THAT.
I SEE WORKSHOPS AND PRESENTATIONS TO THE TOWN AS AN ESSENTIAL.
I I'VE NEVER SEEN A MASTER PLAN DONE WITHOUT THAT.
UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS WITHOUT A STEP THAT IS INHERENT TO THIS PROCESS.
AND ONE STEP BEFORE WE BONDED IS HAVING REAL NUMBERS.
RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE BUDGET NUMBERS.
SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ON, UH, ON NOVEMBER, WHICH WE HAVE TO GET ON THE SCHE, UH, BOND IN THE NOVEMBER, WHICH WE HAVE TO GET INTO THE SCHEDULE BY THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST.
SO THE, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW THAT OR YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WE, WE ARE PREPARED TO GIVE YOU, UM, WHAT WE THINK, UH, IS THE NEXT STEP.
UM, AND I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED IT.
WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS.
I MEAN THIS, WE HAVEN'T COME TO ANY SPECIFIC CONCLUSION, BUT I THINK WE'VE, WE, WE EVEN MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SUGGESTED THERE'S POSS A POSSIBILITY OF DOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, JUST LIKE WHAT RONETTE HAS MENTIONED MM-HMM
IF THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SELL THIS AND TO PRESENT WHAT THE POSITIVE ASPECTS ARE OF THIS AND DOING THIS AS A COLLECTIVE IDEA AND SEE HOW THAT TAKES WITH THE TOWN.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S ONE IDEA.
THE OTHER IS TO ACTUALLY DEVELOP WHAT WE'VE SHOWN AS A MASTER PLAN THING TO, TO SEE HOW THAT ACTUALLY, UH, PENCILS OUT.
I MEAN, SO TO SOME DEGREE THAT YOU'VE, YOU'VE SAID, WELL, COULD WE DO CERTAIN THINGS? COULD WE JUST TAKE CARE OF THINGS? COULD WE ADJUST THESE THINGS? WELL, WE REALLY CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE GET TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS.
SO WHAT IF WE BASICALLY, OBVIOUSLY THIS VIDEO WILL BE, YOU KNOW, SHOWN MM-HMM
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WE COULD ASK RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ASK RESIDENTS WITHOUT ANY EDITORIALIZING TO WATCH IT AND GIVE US FEEDBACK.NO, BECAUSE NO, I'M SAYING WHY CAN'T SHE JUST LAND OUT ON, I DON'T AN AMAZING ON ENGAGEMENT PLAN.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE ENGAGE ME? I'VE GONE TO ENGAGEMENT AT THE SAME 10 PEOPLE.
BUT PAUL, YOU NEVER DID THAT TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT.
SHE, SHE JUST NAMED THREE DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ALWAYS YOU'VE ENGAGED, YOU'VE DONE THAT.
WE, I DON'T WANNA GET BACK AND FORTH.
WE HAVE SPENT ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME.
THIS HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY GOOD INFORMATION.
CAN YOU AGREE, GREG? THIS WAS GREAT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.
GAVE SOME REALLY INSIGHT INTO THIS.
UM, WE DO NEED TO, TO FIGURE OUT NEXT STEPS AND WE UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO GO THROUGH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE COUNSEL THAT NEEDS TO COME IN THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR
SO WE DO NEED TO MOVE THAT ALONG.
WE DON'T WANT YOU WASTING ANY MONEY,
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, IF ANYONE WANTS TO KEEP THIS, UM, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY HOW WE CAN CONVINCE THE TAXPAYER.
I MAY MAKE THE, UH, PAYMENTS ON THEIR TAXES WOULD BE USEFUL.
JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND, UM, WE'RE HERE TO HELP.
UM, JOE, JUST BRIGHTVIEW FOLLOW UP.
I BELIEVE SUPERVISOR WANTED ENGINEERING AVAILABLE, RIGHT? IS, YEAH.
DO YOU WANT ME, DID YOU WANT ME TO LOOK AT IT OR YOU GOOD? NO, I JUST WANT, THANK YOU.
YEAH, SOMEONE FROM ENGINEERING SHEET.
UM, BUT I THINK YOU SPELLED MOSTLY IT'S CORRECTLY.
DIDN'T NO, I WAS JUST, THAT WAS JUST A NOTE FOR ME.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
YOU WENT, SO YOU CIRCLE JUST LIKE, OKAY.
THE ONLY THING WAS JUST, WHERE IS IT? IT'S JUST A DASH MARK.
THAT WAS, THAT'S IN MOVING THAT, THAT PERSON JUST SIGNED OFF.
THAT'S PROBABLY HERE FOR THIS.
WE'RE DOING BRIGHTVIEW OR WE'RE DOING, YEAH.
DID YOU INVITE ENGINEERING? I'M NOT SURE.
I, UH, I DID, THEY SENT, UH, A PRESENTATION.
UH, THEY SENT SOMETHING TO ME YESTERDAY.
I, UH, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY.
HA UH, CAN YOU BRING IT UP SO WE CAN HAVE THIS? YEAH.
ARE THEY COMING HERE? UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE, UH, DID YOU SEND NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
THEY WEREN'T INVITED IS WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME.
JASON WROTE, JASON WROTE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY HAS A COPY OF IT FROM YESTERDAY, BUT IT'S RIGHT.
BUT I THOUGHT YOU WERE HAVE, I THOUGHT YOU WERE HAVING PEOPLE COME OUT.
I INVITED PEOPLE TO LISTEN IN ON THIS.
UH, LET ME JUST SEE OVER HERE.
CAN WE MOVE, CAN WE MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT WORK SESSION? YEAH.
WHY DON'T WE PUT THAT ON, WE MOVE IT TO THE NEXT, NEXT WEEK.
AND CAN YOU JUST ASK THEM FOR NEXT WEEK, PLEASE? YES.
SO I THINK WE BELIEVE WE'RE AT A AGENDA MEETING.
I MEAN, LET ME, LET ME JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION OVER THIS.
UM, CAN I SAY IF IT'S, IF IT'S LEGAL, IS IT LEGAL ADVICE? 'CAUSE I'D PREFER TO GIVE LEGAL ADVICE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THIS MATTER ABOUT THIS.
OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA NOW.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS I'VE INDICATED BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK FRANK MOBI FOR APPOINTMENTS, I THINK FRANK MORABITO IS, WOULD BE A GOOD COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, BUT I DEFINITELY DO NOT BELIEVE, I, I THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO BE BOTH COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS AND, UM, BUILDING INSPECTOR AT THE SAME TIME.
THE, THE BUILDING, UH, DEPARTMENT HAS THREE VACANCIES.
UM, UM, THIS IS A PERSONNEL MATTER.
WELL, RIGHT NOW IT SAYS APPOINTMENTS, RIGHT? IT SAYS APPOINTMENTS.
SO THIS, SO BASICALLY YOU, WE WANNA HAVE, IT CAN BE DISCUSSED IN, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
THIS HAS TO BUT CONSIDERING BE DONE, IF IT'S A PUBLIC, I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW THAT THE BOARD WANTS TO HAVE THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORK WORKS.
UM, AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, THE SAME PERSON GETTING TWO SALARIES.
NO, COME ON, COME ON, COME ON.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT, I AM AND YOU ARE GOING TO REPORT OUT WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE VOTING ON, PLEASE BE CORRECT.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT TWO, IT'S NOT TWO SEPARATE SALARIES.
PLEASE MAKE SURE WE'RE CORRECT.
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SO THE FRANK IS STILL GONNA STAY UNDER THE, UH, UNDER WHAT IS PROPOSED AS BUILDING INSPECTOR, RIGHT? SO THEN HE'S GETTING A SALARY AS BUILDING INSPECTOR AND HE'S GONNA BE, UH, ALSO COMMISSIONER OF, UH, PUBLIC WORKS.AND HE IS GONNA GET A SALARY AS COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS.
I BELIEVE THAT I WOULD SUPPORT MR. MURDO BE, UH, FOR COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS IF HE WOULD RELINQUISH THE JOB OF, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT, UM, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, RICH FOND WORKDAY NIGHT, WEEKENDS, ON HOLIDAYS, THE, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DEPARTMENT IN THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECT.
YOU NEED SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA GIVE A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, OF THEIR TIME TO, TO THAT JOB AT THE SAME TIME, TIME.
CAN I INSERT SOME LOGIC HERE? PLEASE NOT, I'M NOT DONE.
WE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED THE METRICS AND EVERYTHING.
THE, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR, UM, UH, IS ALSO A FULL-TIME JOB.
WHEN JOHN LUCITA WAS THERE, THERE WAS SEVEN, I THINK SIX OR SEVEN INSPECTORS.
NOW, UM, UH, YOU HAVE ONE INSPECTOR WITH THE, EXCEPT OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND, UH, AND, UH, THE DEPUTY AND BOTH ARE GONNA BE GIVEN UNDER WHAT THE BOARD WANTS, UM, SECOND JOBS.
SO I WILL ONLY VOTE FOR THIS IF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT BASICALLY, IF, UM, MR. MORABITO WOULD, UH, RELINQUISH THE JOB AT BUILDING INSPECTOR.
I THINK, UH, LIZ GARRITY IS HIGHLY QUALIFIED.
SHE WOULD BE THE FIRST, UH, FEMALE BUILDING INSPECTOR THAT WE, THAT WE COULD HAVE.
SHE SHOULD BE A BUILDING INSPECTOR FULL-TIME, NO OTHER JOB.
AND FRANK SHOULD BE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS.
AND I THINK IF WE DID THAT, IT WOULD WORK VERY WELL.
AND THE TOWN, UH, SERVICES WOULD NOT SUFFER, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A POTENTIAL CATASTROPHE BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO THE INSPECTIONS, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE HAVE FEWER INSPECTORS THAN, UH, THAN SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES.
MY OFFICE IS DOING AN ANALYSIS OF, UH, BUILDING DEPARTMENTS AROUND, UM, AROUND THE COUNTY.
AND I THINK WE'RE LESS THAN SOME VILLAGES.
AND I'M GONNA SEND YOU, SO, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY VERY, VERY SERIOUS.
AND, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, CAN WE COMMENT? CAN WE COMMENT NOW? PLEASE.
I AM GONNA HOLD OVER AND THEN WE WON'T HAVE ANYBODY IN THAT POSITION.
AND THEN WE'LL BE, AND THEN WE'LL BE, AND THEN WE'LL BE IN JEOPARDY FOR FINES.
AND THEN YOU WILL COST MORE MONEY.
SO ARE YOU GONNA PAY PERSONALLY THE FINES THAT WE RECEIVE IF WE DON'T HAVE I PERSONNEL IN BELIEVE GROSS NEGLIGENCE? IF, UM, IF THE BUILDING, WHAT? I'M GONNA LET YOU TALK.
WOULD YOU LET, I I BELIEVE IT'S GROSS NEGLIGENCE FOR, UH, FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TWO JOBS, UH, WHEN BOTH JOBS ARE, IS THAT EVERYBODY IMPORTANT? AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS SEVERELY UNDERSTAFFED COMPARED TO OTHER COMMUNITIES.
FOR A COUPLE YEARS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS HAD, UH, AT LEAST THREE VACANCIES.
AND I, I'M CONCERNED THAT INSPECTIONS ARE NOT THE NUMBER OF INSPECTION.
ALL DUE RESPECT, ALL DUE RESPECT, SUPERVISOR, WE HAVE PROVIDED STATS, WE HAVE PROVIDED METRICS.
WE HAVE PROVIDED ACTUAL EVIDENCE TO SHOW HOW WE HAVE IMPROVED WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH LESS PEOPLE WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, WITH, UH, UH, BUILDING INSPECTOR MODO AND DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR GAR GARRITY AT THE HELM.
SO, SO I THINK IF, WHEN YOU MAKE THESE STATEMENTS AND YOU'RE SENDING LETTERS AND STUFF, PLEASE INCLUDE THE EVIDENCE WITH THAT.
SO PEOPLE CAN SEE, SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS AGAIN, IT'S NOT A FAULT.
AND WE KEEP, LET HER TALK AGAIN, AGAIN, PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE THAT WE, YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN TIME AND TIME AGAIN ON THIS TOPIC.
FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE NOT, UM, POSTED THE, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT INTERVIEWING PEOPLE.
WE HAVEN'T, UH, WE HAVEN'T, UH, SAT DOWN
WE'VE HAD HOW MANY CONVERSATIONS DO YOU WANNA HAVE? WE, IF WE'RE GONNA BE APPOINTING A COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, THE TOWN SHOULD BE MEETING WITH THE COMMISSIONER, THE TOWN BOARD BEFORE WE DO THE APPOINTMENTS.
WELL, WE MEET WITH THE COMMISSIONER.
THERE'S A MILLION DIFFERENT ISSUES, UH, DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
I BELIEVE THAT, UH, UH, TO PUT SOMEBODY IN, UH, WHO WAS BUILDING INSPECTOR, WHO HAS BASICALLY, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BEING DEPUTY, UH, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE, UM, EXPERTISE.
OTHERS NOW QUALIFI, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
WAIT, JUST WANNA THIS A LEARNING OPPORTUNITY.
RICH HAD, RICH DID A GREAT JOB AS COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE HE, AND HE RECOMMENDS FRANK AND HE AND HE RECOMMEND AND HE RECOMMENDS FRANK SUCCESSION PLANNING.
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WELL, ALL I'M SAYING IS, AND HE RECOMMENDS FRANK, I I DO NOT WANT MY NAME ON THE CHECKS BECAUSE BASICALLY PAUL, THIS IS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS.AND I'M FINANCIAL OFFICER ON YOUR JOHN, I WANT SPEAK AND I DON'T WANT BE INTERRUPTED.
YOU HAVE A HISTORY GOING BACK TO 2012 OF TREATING FRANK MORABITO VERY UNFAIRLY IN PARTICULAR IN RECENT YEARS.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET HIM TO COME BACK TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG HERE AFTER HE DID WORK ON YOUR HOUSE AND HE DID WORK AT YOUR HOUSE.
YES HE DID AT, AND HE DID WORK AT YOUR HOME TOO.
SO MAKE SURE, LET'S BE TRUTHFUL.
LET'S BE TRUTHFUL, PAUL, DON'T DO THAT.
YOU GOTTA TRY AND CONTROL YOURSELF.
I ASKED NOT TO BE INTERRUPTED.
YOU DID EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY DO, INCLUDING WITH THE ETHICS BOARD, TO KEEP FRANK MOTO FOR BEING FROM BEING HIRED AS BILLY INSPECTOR.
YOU WERE SO DEVIOUS, SO DEVIOUS THAT WHEN WE INTERVIEWED HIM FOR THE JOB AND HE WAS SO TERRIFIC COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES.
YOU CALLED HIM AFTER THE MEETING AND TOLD HIM, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU HAVE THE JOB.
EVEN THOUGH YOU TAINTED THE ETHICS BOARD INTO BELIEVING THAT THERE WAS SOME INSURMOUNTABLE CONFLICT LIES, TOTAL LIES.
AND SO THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, THERE'S AN INSURMOUNTABLE CONFLICT BASED ON WHAT YOU TOLD THEM.
HE, THEN THE LIST EXPIRED, BUT WE DIDN'T GIVE UP BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT FRANK IS THE PERSON THAT WE NEEDED FOR THE JOB.
AND EVENTUALLY WE HAD THE VOTES TO DO A LATERAL 'CAUSE.
HE WAS DOING A GREAT JOB IN ELMSFORD AS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND WE WERE ABLE TO BRING HIM OVER.
AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE HE'S NOW BUILDING INSPECTOR.
YOU DON'T HAVE THE FAVORS THAT YOU CAN GIVE TO DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS BECAUSE HE TREATS EVERYBODY THE SAME.
THERE IS NO ONE PROTECTED FROM VIOLATIONS IN THIS TOWN WITH FRANK MORABITO AS THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
HE'LL GIVE A VIOLATION TO REGENERON IF IT'S WARRANTED TO COCA-COLA, IF IT'S WARRANTED TO A, A RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNER, IF IT'S WARRANTED.
PEOPLE NO LONGER CAN HAVE FOR 12 YEARS, 14 YEARS A PROPERTY WHERE THEY HAVE STRUCTURES ON IT, WHERE THEY HAVE ELECTRICITY ON IT, THEY HAVE PLUMBING ON IT, AND NOT ONE PERMIT WAS NEEDED.
THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH FRANK BARBIDO.
AND THERE'S OTHER EXAMPLES AS WELL, AND YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF IT.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THE DAYS OF YOU TELLING OUR STAFF TO GO AND PLOW A PRIVATE ROAD ARE ROVER.
YOU MAY GET THE VOTES FROM THAT PERSON PLOWING THAT ROAD A PRIVATE ROAD.
BUT NOW, 15 ROADS, 15 PRIVATE ROADS SO FAR ARE NOW BEING PAID FOR BY TAXPAYERS BECAUSE YOU ARE SO GENEROUS TO THE RESIDENTS ON THOSE PRIVATE ROADS TO GET THE VOTES THAT THEY NOW ARE RELIEVED OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PLOWING THE ROADS.
AND NOW WE HAVE TO PAVE THE ROAD.
YOUR GENEROSITY FOR THE SAKE OF GETTING VOTES IS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS TOWN.
AND WE HAVE STAFF, WE HAVE RICH, WE HAVE THE TOWN ATTORNEY, WE HAVE LIZ GARRITY WHO JUST WALKED IN.
UH, I COULD JUST GO THROUGH THE LIST.
WE HAVE TOWN STAFF THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING ILLEGAL.
YOU TELL HIM TO DO SOMETHING ILLEGAL.
I PLOW A PRIVATE ROAD, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
AND WHEN YOU TELL FRANK TO DO SOMETHING, IF IT'S NOT LEGAL, HE'S NOT GONNA DO IT.
AND NOW HE WE'RE SAYING SOMEBODY WHO WORKS 70 HOURS A WEEK, MORE A PERSON WHO IS SINGLE HANDEDLY OVERSEEING THE REPAIR OF THE PIPE ON CENTRAL AVENUE WHERE YOU MESSED UP YOUR COMMUNICATIONS TERRIBLY, BUT HE WAS THE ONE IN CHARGE AND YOU WANTED TO WRITE HIM UP FOR INSUBORDINATION.
YOU HAVE A THING ABOUT FRANK MORABITO THAT GOES BACK TO THE DAYS WHERE PEOPLE COULD GET AWAY WITH THINGS.
BECAUSE I GUESS YOU TOLD HIM, HEY, DON'T GIVE A SUMMONS HERE, DON'T GIVE A SUMMONS THERE.
COULD YOU DO THAT HERE? COULD YOU DO THAT HERE? THOSE DAYS ARE OVER.
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ARE THE GOOD DAYS BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE STAFF THAT ARE NOT INTIMIDATED.THEY DON'T CARE IF YOU HARASS THEM.
'CAUSE THEY'LL TELL US TO GET THE JOB DONE.
AND THAT'S ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR THE RESIDENTS OF OUR TOWN.
AND HERE'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW HERE YOU ARE AT A PUBLIC SESSION MENTIONING SOMEBODY'S NAME AND SAYING THEY SHOULD CAN'T DO THE JOB.
WE'VE SAID TO YOU REPEATEDLY, REPEATEDLY, PAUL, IF YOU DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO HAVE TWO JOBS, LET'S MAKE A POLICY.
DEPARTMENT HEADS CAN'T HAVE TWO JOBS.
AND YOU WON'T SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU WANT CERTAIN DEPARTMENT HEADS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THREE JOBS, FOUR JOBS.
BUT YOU NEVER QUESTION THAT AS TO, HEY, IF THEY HAVE FOUR JOBS, HOW ARE THEY POSSIBLY DOING THAT WORK FOR THE TOWN? THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR YOU.
BUT FOR FRANK, WHO HAS PROVEN FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, HE CAN DO BOTH AND IS SAVING US A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? PEOPLE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH AUCTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS AUCTION? THEY CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF THIS TOWN.
AND YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT THE SAVINGS THAT WILL BE GOTTEN NOT FROM TWO SALARIES, LIKE THE PERSON IS GONNA GET 160, UH, $197 OF ONE JOB, A THOUSAND DOLLARS AT ONE JOB AT 183.
BY DOING IT THE WAY WE'RE SUGGESTING, YOU'RE SAVING $120,000 A YEAR.
BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATTER.
AS LONG AS YOU CAN IMPUGN HIS NAME.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT, THE MORE YOU IMPUTE IN HIS NAME, THE MORE WE'RE GONNA HOLD HIS NAME UP.
BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO DO A GOOD JOB DESERVE TO BE RECOGNIZED.
AND THEY DO NOT DESERVE TO BE CRITICIZED FOR THE SAKE OF YOU BEING ABLE TO APPEASE DEVELOPERS OR WHATEVER.
SO, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS AT THIS TIME, MAYBE WE SHOULD PROBABLY TRY TO DO THE AGENDA REVIEW.
YEAH, I HAVE AN ISSUE ABOUT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.
WHY DO WE HAVE, WHY DO WE HAVE THE RULES? AND WHAT FONT SIZE? THE WATER.
HUH? THE WATER, RIGHT? YOU NEED IT IN LARGER FONT SIZE.
WHY? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU OPEN IT UP.
WHY DO WE CARE WHAT THE CLERK FROM 1974 WROTE ABOUT
WHY, WHY, WHY IS IT THAT WE'RE, I I JUST DON'T GET IT.
AND IT, IT TALKS ABOUT CHAPTER 63, WHY SAT CHAPTER 63? 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR CHAPTER IS ANYMORE.
BUT WHAT I, WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, AND IT MAY BE WHO DID THIS? AMANDA? OOH, WHY YOU CALLING? NO, I'M JUST SAYING NO, NO, YOU EDIT.
SHE EDITED YOU EDITED IT, SO, SO IT'S, NO, IT'S REALLY GOOD.
IT'S JUST, I THINK IT'S CAN BE MISLEADING WHEN YOU OPEN IT UP.
NOW MAYBE I WAS THINKING, OH, COME ON UP.
SHE TOLD ME SHE TO COME SIT DOWN AT THIS TABLE EARLIER.
AND BY THE WAY, AMANDA IS THE FIRST DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY AND HE COULD NOT HAVE MADE A BETTER SELECTION.
SO THERE IS SOMETHING YOU DID WRONG.
SO WE LEFT THE HISTORY IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN REVISED SEVERAL.
IF YOU COULD JUST TALK TO MIC A LITTLE LOUDER PLEASE.
WE LEFT THE HISTORY IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN DONE HISTORICALLY.
IF YOU WANNA REMOVE THE HISTORY, THAT'S UP TO YOU.
THE ONLY THING I WAS WONDERING IS DID YOU LEAVE IT IN THERE SO THAT IF SOMEBODY SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS FROM 19 20 15 THAT YOU COULD SAY, LOOK, IT WAS STILL THE CODE BACK THEN.
IT JUST SHOWS ALL THE CHANGES.
LIKE YOU SEE ALL THE AMENDMENTS LISTED, THE ADOPTIONS.
I KNOW, BUT DO WE REALLY CARE THAT THEY HAD A MEETING ON NOVEMBER 26TH, 1974? I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN WE COULD SAY LIKE THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
THAT'S THE, BUT THAT'S THE RECORD, RIGHT? THAT'S THE RECORD.
YOU CAN MOVE THE ZONING CAN SUMMARIZE IT.
IT'S TOTALLY AT YOUR DISCRETION'S.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MAKE AN APPENDIX, WE CAN DO THAT.
IF WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THESE REFERENCES AND MAKE THEM AN APPENDIX, THEN IT SIMPLIFIES THE DOCUMENT.
'CAUSE IT SAYS IN THE FRONT, THE,
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THE, UH, THE HISTORY.BUT LEAVE THE, LIKE OUR ZONING CODE, THEY DON'T KEEP SAYING WHEN 19 80, 19 80, 19 80, 19 80.
SO THIS WOULD BE WHAT IT WAS THE LAST TIME IT WAS REVISED.
UH, WHICH I GUESS WOULD BE 2014.
AND THEN TAKE OUT WHAT THEY DID AT THEIR MEETING AND THEY VOTED FOR WHATEVER.
AND JUST WHEREVER THERE IS A CHANGE THAT'S MADE SINCE THEN, JUST PUT NEXT TO THAT, THE DATE THAT IT WAS CHANGED.
SO IN BRACKETS, LIKE THEY DO ON YOUR CODES, JUST, JUST LIKE IN THE ZONING CODE.
THE FORMATTING WAS A BIT CHALLENGING.
SO I HOPE IT'S SOMEWHAT NORMAL AT THIS POINT.
I THINK HOLLY AND I WENT THROUGH UH, LIKE FOUR REVISION, FOUR REVISIONS BEFORE IT CAME HERE.
AND UM, WELL IT'S REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE SOMEWHERE IN HERE THEY TALK ABOUT COUNCILMAN NEREN,
YEAH, IT'S ON, UH, YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
AND THERE'S LIKELY MORE THAN 24 PAGES AT THIS POINT.
AND THERE, YEAH, SO THAT'S, THEY'RE ALL, YEAH, IT'S PAGE 35 OF 24.
BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS REALLY, I THOUGHT THE WHOLE PURPOSE WAS TO GET THE FEES OUTTA HERE, WHICH IT DID.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD ADDITIONS.
LIZ, DID YOU WORK ON THIS TOO? SO YOU MIGHT AS WELL COME UP.
YEAH, I THINK YOU SHOULD COME UP.
WHY? SITTING BACK THERE, RIGHT? WHY BE THE AUDIENCE, WHY NOT BE PART OF THE APP? UM, THEY'VE LEARNED TO NEVER WALK PAST THIS ROOM BETWEEN FIVE AND 7:00 PM
THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S 10 OF EIGHT AND THEY DIDN'T REALIZE, REALIZED.
AND THEN WELL, YOU KNOW, WE ALL, AND THEN WHEN WE SAY, I THINK WE'RE DONE, GET OUT AS FAST AS YOU CAN RECORD, YOU MAY WANNA RUN.
UM, SO SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES WERE DEFINITIONS, UM, CHANGING THE WAY THE FEE IS, UH, TACKED ON.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH WHAT, WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING WITH THE COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE.
UM, THE SEWER, THE SEWER INSPECTION INSPECTIONS, CONNECTIONS, UM, THE TAPPING, RIGHT? SO ACTUALLY IT COSTS US MORE TO ACTUALLY DO THE TAPPING THAN WHAT WE WERE COLLECTING FOR A WHILE, WHICH IS AN ISSUE.
WHAT ABOUT THE EXTENDING THE SEWER DISTRICT IS 1500.
WE, IT'S ALWAYS AN INSPECTION FEE OF 1500.
IS THAT REASONABLE? THAT'S THE, THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE, THESE FEES.
BUT I AGREE THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKED AT AS WELL.
UM, COULD WE AGREE THAT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT READY FOR TOMORROW IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE THOSE CHANGES? OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE ON TOMORROW? UM, IS THERE SOMETHING CRUCIAL ABOUT PASSING IT? UH, WELL, I THINK AS FAR AS SUBSTANCE, IT'S IN FORM.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MAKING SOME TYPOGRAPHICAL CORRECTIONS AND MAYBE REORDERING IT, WHICH I THINK ARE GOOD COMMENTS THAT LOVE THE HISTORY.
I DON'T THINK IT HOLDS IT UP FROM MOVING FORWARD.
WELL, IT'S ONLY, UH, SEVEN 50.
SO
SO DID THE BOARD, DOES THE BOARD PREFER THE HISTORY REMOVED FROM THE DOCUMENT TO AN APPENDIX? RIGHT? APPENDIX? YES.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY WANTS AN INDEPENDENCE, THAT'S FINE, BUT I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S, AS LONG AS YOU PUT THE DATES THAT THE CHANGES WERE, WELL, WHAT'S THE EASIER WAY TO MANAGE IT? WELL, BECAUSE LOGICAL, IN TERMS OF READABILITY, THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE.
WELL, WE DO THOUGH, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN DETAIL THE VERY, YOU KNOW, AMENDMENT FIRST, AMENDMENT SECOND, BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME HISTORY FOR THE REST OF THE CHANGES.
SO I THINK IT'S JUST BETTER IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY FOR THE REST OF THE CHANGES.
JUST LET'S PUT WHAT WAS CHANGED.
NOW THAT'S GONNA TAKE A BIT OF WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIND WHAT WERE THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE HERE.
BUT I KNOW THE FIRST DEPUTY, OH MY GOD, JUST THE FIRST DEPUTY SHAKING HER HEAD.
I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT WE WILL, WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT GOING BACK AS FAR AS THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENTS.
IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT, UM, HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
SO HOW DO, SO THEN WHY DON'T WE TAKE THE REVISION OF JUNE 23RD, 2014 AS THE BASE DOCUMENT AND THE CHANGES ARE BASED ON THAT? BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THIS, RIGHT? OKAY.
HAS THERE BEEN ANYTHING SINCE IN THE LAST 12 YEARS? NO.
SO THAT WOULD BE EASIER TO DO.
AND FRANKLY, WHO CARES WHEN THE AMENDMENTS WERE BEFORE? BECAUSE WHATEVER THE REGULATION IS, IT'S GONNA BE, THOSE AMENDMENTS WERE AMENDED
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PROBABLY SEVERAL TIMES.RIGHT? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN 12 YEARS FROM THE LAST AMENDMENT, SO IT'S NOT LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY DID SOMETHING TWO WEEKS AGO.
UH, AND THE REASON I'M RAISING THIS TODAY IS WHAT SEEMS THE LAST MINUTE IS WE ONLY GOT THIS YESTERDAY
SO THE PLAN IS THAT THE PLAN IS THAT, SO IT'S NOT, I I'M NOT, I DON'T LIKE TO AMBUSH ANYBODY.
AND YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE NO TROUBLE CALLING YOU UP AND ASKING, BUT WE JUST GOT THIS YESTERDAY AND I JUST READ IT THIS AFTERNOON AND THAT'S WHY I'M RIGHT HERE.
OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT.
I MEAN, THE ADDITIONS ARE REALLY NEEDED.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING, IS THERE AN URGENCY OR COULD WE PUSH OFF THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TWO WEEKS AND THEN ADOPT IT THE FOLLOWING TWO WEEKS? I DON'T WANNA RUSH YOU.
UM, IS IT DOABLE IF IT'S NOT DOABLE? I MEAN, YOU, YOU THINK YOU COULD REVISE IT FOR TOMORROW, PLEASE? WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR RIGHT.
YOU CAN REVISE IT FOR TOMORROW.
WELL, WELL ACTUALLY NEED A FEW REVISIONS TOO.
THE LOCAL LAW AND TAXATION AS WELL, WHICH I COULD DESCRIBE AFTER THIS CONVERSATION IS DONE.
BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE READY FOR TOMORROW AS WELL.
OH YEAH, THAT'S COULD BE EASY.
AREN'T YOU GLAD YOU STOPPED BY
APPRECIATE, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.
THEY'RE RUNNING JUST FOR IN CASE THE CAMERAS AREN'T THERE, THEY'RE RUNNING RIGHT IN.
IN REGARDS TO THE TAXATION BILL THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE START OF A PUBLIC HEARING TOMORROW NIGHT, UM, THERE ARE MINOR REVISIONS I'D LIKE TO PUT IN THAT DON'T REALLY CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE AND FORM OF THE LAW.
UM, IT WOULD STILL GIVE THE 20 YEAR, UH, LIFETIME EXEMPTION FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTIVE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR, UM, EMS FOR, FOR A 20 YEAR SPAN, WHICH WE INADVERTENTLY DIDN'T PUT IN THE LAW LAST YEAR.
UM, IT WOULD STILL SAY THAT THE 20 YEARS OF SERVICE NEED NOT BE CONSECUTIVE.
SO SOMEONE WANTED TO TAKE A FAMILY BREAK, SCHOOL BREAK, OR JUST WHATEVER FOR WHATEVER REASON, COULDN'T FINALIZE.
THEY, THEY DON'T NEED THE 20 CONSECUTIVE YEARS.
IT COULD GO OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, MOST OF THE CONCERNS, ACTUALLY, ALL OF THE CONCERNS REALLY THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP, WE HAVE ADDRESSED.
AND ANY OF MY PROPOSED CHANGES, I DON'T BELIEVE WOULD UNDO ANY OF THAT WORK.
HOWEVER, AT ONE POINT I FAILED TO PUT IN, UM, LOCATED WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED TOWN OF GREENBURG.
I SIMPLY PUT TOWN OF GREENBURG.
PUTTING UNINCORPORATED IN THERE, UM, WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, AND, AND ONE AREA DOES TALK ABOUT PROPER DOCUMENTATION BEING TIMELY SUPPLIED TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE IN ANOTHER SECTION THAT DOES NOT, I THINK IT NEEDS TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE AND THE TOWN MAKE THE FINAL CERTIFICATION OF, OF WHO'S AN ACTIVE MEMBER.
UM, THAT IT'S NOT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS TO DECIDE.
OF COURSE, WE TAKE THEIR INPUT, WE TAKE THEIR DOCUMENTATION, BUT THAT'S A DETERMINATION TO BE MADE BY THE TOWN.
UM, AND ALSO THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
EVERY MAY 1ST, WHICH IS TAXABLE STATUS DATE FOR THE TOWN IS A DUE DATE FOR THE EXEMPTION FORMS TO COME IN.
JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT AND MAKE THAT A LITTLE TIGHTER FOR THIS HEARING.
I THINK IT STILL, UM, DOES EVERYTHING, WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS WANT TO BE DONE AND IN A TIMELY MANNER.
JUST WANT TO CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
NOW, WE STILL HAVE THE HEARING TOMORROW, OF COURSE.
AND I DID SEND THE COURTESY DRAFT COPY WITH THE CAVEAT.
IT'S UP TO APPROVAL BY THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, ONCE THOSE CHANGES ARE MADE, I'LL RESEND IT TO THE POLICE, UH, EXCUSE ME TO THE FIRE CHIEFS.
UM, AND JUST CLARIFY, NONE OF THE MAIN THINGS ARE CHANGING, JUST TRYING TO HONE IN SOME OF THE LANGUAGE.
SO I DIDN'T SEE THE REVISED, UH, A DU LAW WITH THE NEW SETBACK INCREASE.
OH, IT SHOULD BE OH, OH NO, I, NO, IT, THE, THE ACTUAL LAW.
WE HAVEN'T, IT WASN'T REVISED IT SINCE WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT IT SINCE THE WEBSITE.
IT DIDN'T, YEAH, DID SENT IT TO US.
WHAT? IT'S ON AGENDA, BUT OH, BUT THEY, NO, BUT WE DIDN'T SEND IT TO US.
DO WE HAVE COPIES? LIKE COPIES? WELL, I'M JUST SAYING WE DIDN'T REVIEW IT SPECIFICALLY.
THAT WASN'T PART OF THE PACKET.
I WILL MAKE, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE COPIES, PLEASE, AND THANK YOU.
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I THINK A T FOUR IS RESCINDING A PRIOR RESOLUTION.THERE WAS A MIX UP WHEN THIS WAS FIRST APPROVED.
UH, ONE PERSON PER 1 1 1 VERSUS TWO.
PART TIME, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO, BUT WE NEED TO RESCIND THE PRIOR ONE.
SO WE COULD, UM, CHANGE THE HEADING ON THAT.
I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE ON HERE.
OH, WE HAD A RESOLUTION, UH, IT WAS ONE, UM, AN ASSESSOR RESOLUTION WHERE THE CONTRACT ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT AN RFP BEING DONE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF AN RFP ACTUALLY WAS DONE ON THAT CONTRACT, SO I DON'T SEE IT ON HERE, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, FRANCIS? IT'S NOT ON HERE.
THE, UH, WE APPROVED SOMETHING FOR THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.
UM, THE SOFTWARE, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE SOFTWARE, BUT THE, THE GIST OF IT WAS, IS THAT THERE WAS, WHEN WE VOTED ON IT, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF THAT THERE WOULD BE AN RFP AND THE CONTRACT ITSELF SAYS AN RFP WAS DONE.
AND SO IT MARKS, IT MARKS THE RFP AS AN EXHIBIT AND THEN THE EXHIBIT DOESN'T EXIST.
ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL, THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA FIND OUT.
SO, WE'LL, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE NEXT YEAR, NEXT WEEK OR NEXT, NEXT MEETING.
I, I, I'LL SEND HER A NOTE THEN.
WE ALL THE BONDS, AS BONDS GO, IT'S A VERY SHORT LIST.
WE'VE HAD AS MANY AS I THINK 30 OF, I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
SO CO 11, I DON'T MEAN TO BRING BACK THE SPECTER OF BAD CONVERSATION, BUT C 11, UM, THE BOND FOR, TO PAY THE ACQUISITION OF AN AMBULANCE AND PARAMEDIC FLY CAR, IS THAT TWO SEPARATE? CO 11 WAS IS WHAT? SEPARATE AMBULANCE AND PARAMEDIC FLY CAR? IS THAT ONE VEHICLE OR TWO? NO, IT'S TWO.
SO THAT'S THE AMBULANCE WE HAVE TO REPLACE BECAUSE IT WAS DETERIORATING.
AND THAT'S AT LEAST HALF THAT COST.
UM, I THINK THE VILLAGES WERE ASKING TO HAVE A, A DEDICATED AMBULANCE UNLESS WE DID THAT ALREADY.
UH, THAT STAYED IN THE VILLAGES.
WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE, WE CAN FIND OUT.
AND HASN'T THIS BEEN ON A COUPLE TIMES? DIDN'T WE SAY WE WHICH ONE? THE PO O2.
I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT? I'M NOT, YEAH, WHEN WAS THAT? I'LL FIND IT IN MY EMAIL.
BUT HE SENT THAT, HE SENT THAT OVER 'CAUSE I REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE HE SENT IT OVER.
I'D JUST LIKE TO HAVE IN THIS HOW MANY THERE, LIKE HOW MANY VEHICLES THERE ARE, UH, RELATING TO THE BOND.
UM, WHICH, WHICH BOND? UH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE THING THAT WAS DELETED, WHICH, WHAT BOND? THERE WAS SOMETHING DELETED.
SO I JUST WANNA READ, UM, A MEMO I GOT FROM KIMBERLY, UH, AFTER DISCUSSING, UM, UH, WHAT, UH, WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE AUTHORIZING, UH, SOME RELU, SOME BONDS, UM, IN, IN PHASES.
BUT ODELL HOUSE WAS, UM, UH, DELETED FROM, UM, UH, FROM THE FIRST ROUND.
SO I REACHED OUT TO KIMBERLY, UM, GUTMAN, THE, UM, THE CONTROLLER.
SHE SAID THERE IS CURRENTLY $500,000 APPROVED IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR ODELL HOUSE, BUT IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE BORROWING AUTHORIZATION.
IT'S LISTED UNDER A NON DEBT REVENUE SOURCE.
CAN YOU CONFIRM WHETHER THE INTENT WAS FOR THIS TO BE CASH TO CAPITAL OR IF PLANNING IS EXPECTING, UM, GRANT FUNDING TO COVER IT, IF YOU PREFER TO INCLUDE THE 500,000 AND A BOND RESOLUTION, WILL JUST NEED TO PROCESS A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO SHIFT IT INTO BORROWING.
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I HAVE IS, UH, THE BOARD MADE A COMMITMENT, UH, LAST YEAR, UM, UH, TO INCLUDE, UM, UH, FUNDING FOR THE ODEL HOUSE MUSEUM.THEY WANT TO OPEN UP, UM, IN OCTOBER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST ASKING THE BOARD IF, UM, WE COULD ASK, UM, THE CONTROLLER TO INCLUDE, UM, UH, THE BOND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING ALL THESE BOND, YOU KNOW, RESOLUTIONS TOMORROW.
IF WE COULD INCLUDE, UM, UH, THE ODELL HOUSE, UM, AS PART OF ITS $500,000.
AND I FEEL IF WE DON'T DO IT, IT COULD JEOPARDIZE, UM, THE ABILITY OF THE, THE ODELL HOUSE, UH, TO OPEN UP.
DID YOU ASCERTAIN WHICH IT WAS, WHETHER IT WAS, YOU KNOW, GRANT MONEY THAT WAS READY TO BE SPENT OR WHETHER IT WAS A BOND? IT WAS MEANS THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
ORIGINALLY THE TOWN, WHEN THE TOWN BOARD APPROVED THE BUDGET, WE ALL, UM, AGREED BECAUSE I SPOKE TO YOU.
BUT THE, SO, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S FOR BONDING.
AND THAT'S WHAT THE ODELL PEOPLE WERE THE, THE LEADERS OF ODELL DON'T ANY MARK ON THIS EFFORT.
UH, DEPENDING ON, DON'T THE $500,000.
COULD THAT BE ANYTHING UNDERLINED? IT'S NEW.
YOU'D LIKE TO SEE WAS THIS A COLOR? SORRY.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE, WE STILL HAVE TO DO AN AMENDMENT.
I MEAN, IT, THERE'S JUST, WE'RE OUT OF TIME TO DO IT FOR TOMORROW NIGHT.
UM, BUT WE KNOW WE'RE JUST OUT TIME, YOU KNOW.
WE HAVE TO DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO DEAL WITH THAT AND THEN GET BOND COUNCIL TO WRITE THE RESOS BOND COUNCIL GENERALLY WRITES OUR BOND RESO RESOLUTIONS.
SO WE COULD DO IT IN TWO WEEKS.
BUT I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD DO IT.
I WASN'T AGREEING THAT WE SHOULD DO IT FOR TOMORROW.
UM, HOLLY, WAS THIS IN, DID HE HAVE THIS IN COLOR? DID HE HAVE ANY RED MARKUPS ON HERE? WELL, I DON'T SEE WHAT, WHAT WAS VIS SINCE LAST TIME? UM, DID HE GET, HE HAS ONE THAT HAS MARKED COLOR.
I TEXT HIM, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR BACK FROM HIM.
IS THAT GAR TEXTING YOU? NOPE.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU HAD SAID, UH, WE, WE, WHEN HE HAD TALKED ABOUT FOR THE GARAGE SETBACK, INCREASING IT TO, IT SHOULD BE 10 FEET FROM EIGHT.
UH, IT SHOULD BE WHATEVER THE, WELL IT TURNS OUT TO BE 10 FEET, BUT IT SHOULD BE WHATEVER.
BUT WHERE, SO, BUT BASED ON JUST LOOKING AT THIS, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL WHAT HAS BEEN ADDED OR CHANGED IS MY POINT.
UH, I KNOW HE HAS ONE IN COLOR 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN IT.
OH, THE CHECK THE COLOR ONE IS ON THE JENNIFER.
I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE IS ON GEN IS WHAT HE SENT ME WAS ON THE JENNIFER.
YEAH, BUT YOU PRINTED IT IN BLACK AND WHITE.
I DON'T KNOW IF, OH, CHECK IF IT WASN'T COLOR.
CAN YOU DOUBLE CHECK THAT SINCE YOU'RE OPEN FOR PRINCESS IN LIVING COLOR? IN LIVING COLOR? YES.
THAT'S THE OLD DAYS WHEN THEY STARTED.
LIKE WHAT OTHER COLOR IS THERE? HEY, HOW YOU DOING? SO I, WHAT'S HAPPENING? YEAH.
SO THE ONE THAT CHANGED, SO THE ONE THAT'S IN THE WEB IS IN COLOR.
CAN YOU COLOR? CAN YOU PRINT OUT? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THE PUBLIC HAS ASSETS IT RIGHT NOW AS WELL.
YOU MEAN TRY TO SHAVE YOUR SPEECH? I CAN'T SHA MY, OH NO, I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT ON ZOOM.
IT WAS JUST SHOULD BE ONE LITTLE SECTION.
WELL, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT LAST WEEK THOUGH.
NO, THIS IS, THIS IS ANYTHING SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT USUALLY WHAT WE DO IS WE REVIEW
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THE, THE CHANGES THAT WE HAD SUGGESTED FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT WE DISCUSSED IT.THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT'S USUALLY WHAT OUR PROCESS IS.
'CAUSE THESE ARE MORE, WE ONLY, THE ONLY THING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS THE, UH, LET'S SEE.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO LOOK ON HERE.
YEAH, NO, I MEAN SPECIFIC, I WAS JUST LOOKING SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT LANGUAGE ABOUT THE GARAGE.
NO, THAT'S NOT ABOUT THE, YEAH, SO THIS IS ALL PROPOSED IN AN R FIVE ZONING DISTRICT.
MUST BE ON A LOT SIZE OF 7,500 SQUARE FEET OR GREATER AND CONFORMED TO THE RELATED SETBACK, FRONTAGE, IMPERVIOUS SERVICE AND RELATED LOT AND BULK FOOT TREE AREA FOR THE, BUT THAT'S NOT ABOUT THE GARAGES.
WELL APPLIES, BUT WE MADE A SPECIFIC, LET'S KEEP GOING OFF.
STREET PARKING DRIVEWAYS MUST CONFORM.
IT IS NOT ON PAGE FIVE MM TWO.
LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE GOT IN.
I THINK IT'S CONTAINED IN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DETACH STRUCTURE? YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
SO IF YOU GO TO PAGE FIVE, WELL, WE WERE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT GARAGE CONVERSIONS.
YEAH, NO, THAT'S, I DON'T SEE THAT.
OR ANY A DU IS PROPOSED WITHIN A LAWFULLY EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
AND WHAT PAGE WOULD THAT BE? WHAT PAGE? THAT'S UH, THAT WOULD BE FIVE.
IS THAT THE PAGE FIVE? EXCELLENT.
THAT KEEP DRIVING YOU TO AND YOU GOT THANK YOU JOE FOR IT.
AND WOULD THAT BE SECTION TWO? SECTION TWO? THAT WOULD BE SECTION TWO.
THAT WOULD BE PAGE FIVE, SECTION TWO.
DID YOU SAY PAGE FIVE? EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT USING THE WORD GARAGE OKAY.
THERE'S NO WHERE THERE'S SHOW YOU.
BUT THAT DOESN'T SAY THEY JUST CAN'T EXPAND IT.
THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE R SEVEN FIVE.
WHERE, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? ABOUT THE SEVEN? UH, THE EXPANSIONS PROPOSED NECESSARILY THAT SWEAR, NO EXPANSIONS PROPOSED.
NO, THEN YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN TO THE, UH, SETBACKS.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY.
YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY SETBACK.
WELL, THERE WAS, THERE'S THE DRIVE, WELL NOT THE, I MEAN SETBACK, THE GARAGE, THE SETBACK FOR THE GARAGE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, SO IT'S HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE R 75, WHICH IS 10 FEET.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION, MY, I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE.
UM, SO DOES THAT JUST, DOES THAT EXCLUDE ANY OF THE ONES THAT WE IDENT THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT, THAT GARRETT IDENTIFIED IN THE DIS IN THAT, UH, RIGHT ZONE? DOES PUTTING IT TO 10, HAVING CONFORMED TO, TO THE 10 FOOT SETBACK, KNOCK THEM ALL OUT? NO, HE GAVE US THE NUMBERS.
NO, HE GAVE US THE NUMBERS AND I HAD 'EM WRITTEN.
REMEMBER HE GAVE US THE NUMBERS LAST TIME.
HE HAVE SOME ON THE PROPERTY LINE.
BUT HE TALKED ABOUT THE ONES THAT WERE CONFORMING.
NOW BECAUSE IT'S AN EIGHT FOOT SETBACK CURRENTLY, THAT'S THE CURRENT LAW.
THAT'S THE CURRENT 'CAUSE IT'S A GARAGE.
WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS ADDING TWO FEET.
SO DOES THAT KNOCK THEM OUT, IS MY QUESTION.
AND I THOUGHT HE GAVE US THOSE NUMBERS.
LIKE I, I WOULD, I YEAH, I DON'T, NO, HE, I THINK HE HAD GIVEN US NUMBERS, BUT WHAT, WHAT FRANCIS HAD THEN SUGGESTED WAS WHAT YOU MEAN WHAT HE'S SUGGESTING TONIGHT? NO, NO.
WHAT FRANCIS HAD SUGGESTED AT DURING THAT MEETING THEN.
HE WOULD'VE NEED TO HAVE GO, GONE BACK TO SEE IF A 10 FOOT SETBACK IS GOING TO THEN DISQUALIFY THOSE, I GUESS WAS MY QUESTION.
AND THE NUMBERS HE GAVE US, THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY DEALING WITH THAT 10 FOOT SETBACK ONCE THE CHANGE WAS MADE.
I'M SURE YOU CAN GIVE US THE ANSWERS.
HE USE THE LEFT TWO LANES TO TURN LEFT.
NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE OTHER POINT RELATING TO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN ABOUT THE PUBLIC WORKS COMMISSIONER HAVING TWO JOBS.
I YOU WANT, I CAN PUT HIM CONVERSATION, JUST ASK HIM IF, UH, WITH THE R SEVEN FIVE SETBACKS, DOES IT KNOCK ALL OF THE PROPER WITH THE
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R WITH THE R SEVEN FIVE, WITH THE R SEVEN FIVE SETBACKS, DOES IT KNOCK OUT ALL THE ONES THAT YOU IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IT? YOU WANT ME, YOU WANT ME TO CALL OTHER LINE? YOU WANT ME TO CALL OTHER LINE? I CAN DO THAT.ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA REVIEW? UH, YEAH, I WANT TO MENTION ONE OTHER THING.
UM, UM, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ARGUING IS I BELIEVE AS, AS I'VE INDICATED BEFORE, I BELIEVE THAT IT'S A VERY, VERY MAJOR MISTAKE, UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS TO ALSO BE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
AND I KNOW THE BOARD DISAGREES, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
AND I'M GONNA WRITE TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS, UH, THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS YOU DID ALREADY? NO, THIS IS ON AN, I DIDN'T FOCUS ON PUBLIC WORKS.
I FOCUSED ON, UM, UH, THE DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY AND DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR.
THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TOWN INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, DRAINAGE, CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, BUILDING INSPECTOR, ON THE OTHER HAND, FORCES CODES AND SIGNS OFF ON WHETHER CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS, READING, UM, MEETS LEGAL STANDARDS.
IF ONE PERSON HOLDS BOTH ROLES, THEY COULD END UP APPROVING OR INSPECTING THEIR OWN PROJECTS.
UM, THERE'LL BE PRESSURE TO OVERLOOK ISSUES TO KEEP PROJECTS MOVING.
AND THIS UNDERMINES INDEPENDENT OVERSIGHT, WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF INSPECTIONS.
UM, I BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY THAT, UM, IF WE'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE APPROVING, YOU KNOW, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN CAPITAL PROJECTS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS HAS NUMEROUS, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES, UH, TO ALSO DEVOTE FULL-TIME SIGNIFICANT TO ALSO DEVOTE SIGNIFICANT ATTENTION TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S GONNA BE A CRISIS AT SOME POINT.
AND I, AGAIN, IT'S NOT ABOUT, I THINK FRANK MODO IS HIGHLY QUALIFIED, VERY ENERGETIC, WORKS VERY HARD, COMES UP WITH A LOT OF CREATIVE IDEAS.
THIS IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT DEPARTMENT IN THE TOWN, WITH THE POSSIBLE EXCEPTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, IS PUBLIC WORKS.
IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT JOBS.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE DETERIORATION IN ROAD REPAVING AND POT AND POTHOLE, UH, REPAIRS.
THERE'S GONNA BE NUMEROUS, THERE'S ALWAYS NUMEROUS WATER MAIN BREAKS.
WE HAVE TO, UM, ADDRESS, UM, THE EAST HARSDALE AVENUE, UM, UH, SEWER PIPES.
WE HAVE TO LINE, UH, DO A LOT OF WORK UNDERGROUND.
THERE'S SO MUCH WORK THAT A COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS HAS TO DO.
I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE HIM TO BE DIVERTED.
AND I FEEL THAT IF WE'RE, IF HE'S SPENDING TIME LEARNING HOW TO BE A COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS AND AT THE SAME TIME AS A BUILDING INSPECTOR, SOMETHING'S GONNA FALL DOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, AS I'VE INDICATED, I'VE BEEN COMPLAINING, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN THREE VACANCIES IN A BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
LAST YEAR WHEN I CAME IN WITH THE BUDGET, I SAID, DO WE NEED THOSE POSITIONS? AND THEY SAID, YEAH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAID, YES, THEY DO NEED THEM.
WE, WE COULD HAVE, IF THEY DON'T NEED IT, WE SHOULD TAKE IT OUT.
BUT THEY SAID THEY NEED THE POSITIONS AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FILL IT.
AND I BELIEVE ONE OF THE REASONS THEY HAVEN'T FOLDED IS BECAUSE, UM, EVERYBODY'S BEEN, THEIR ATTENTION HAS BEEN DIVERTED, UM, TO OTHER, OTHER JOBS.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS I'M BEGGING THE BOARD TO CONSIDER, UH, AT LEAST INITIALLY, UH, TO GIVE THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, LET HIM LEARN THE JOB.
AND IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO RECONSIDER IT AND SAY, OKAY, HE COULD DO TWO JOBS, AT LEAST WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE TOTAL ROLE MISMANAGEMENT.
UM, UH, AND YOU KNOW, I I REALLY BELIEVE IN MY HEART THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVASTATING.
YOU'RE GONNA WIN THE WAR, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE APPOINTMENT, YOU'RE GONNA WIN THE BATTLE.
AND THEN A COUPLE YEARS FROM NOW, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE A CATASTROPHIC INCIDENT BECAUSE SOMETHING HASN'T BEEN INSPECTED OR THERE'S GONNA BE PROBLEMS IN THE BILL, IN THE IN PUBLIC WORKS.
AND THEN EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE POINTING FINGERS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL, EVERYBODY'S BEEN ON NOTICE.
I'M SPEAKING VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA, I I FEEL VERY, VERY PASSIONATELY ABOUT THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST GONNA BE, IT IS, IT POTENTIALLY COULD DESTROY THE TOWN
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AND, UM, AND, UM, THE SKY IS FALLING.AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT A JOKE BECAUSE BASICALLY BOTH DEPARTMENTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THEY NEED FULL TIME ATTENTION.
ARE YOU READY TO TAKE A POSITION THAT NO DEPARTMENT HEAD CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE JOB? I'VE ALWAYS, MY POSITION HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT, UH, FULL EMPLOYEE DEPARTMENT HEAD SHOULD BE FULL-TIME.
I, AND I'VE SAID THAT THEY ARE FULL-TIME.
THE QUESTION IS, CAN THEY HAVE A SECOND JOB? AND, AND, AND THAT'S BEEN MY POSITION OVER THE YEARS.
UH, THAT'S BEEN MY YOU HAVE NO, I'M QUESTION, JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
THE DEPARTMENT HEAD FOR THE TOWN, CAN THEY HAVE A SECOND JOB? I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE, AND I'VE SAID THIS FOR YEARS, THAT EVERY PERSON WHO WORKS FULL-TIME SHOULD NOT HAVE A SECOND JOB.
AND, UH, THE BOARD, BUT YOU ALLOW IT NO.
THE BOARD AND HAVE ALLOWED IT? NO, NO.
NO, I WAS ALWAYS AGAINST IT, BUT THE BOARD BASICALLY SAID NO IF THE PERSON NO, I KNOW WHAT I'VE SAID.
WHAT IS THIS? I BROUGHT THIS UP.
I BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE PAST AND THE BOARD SAID IF THE DEPARTMENT HAD BASICALLY, UM, UM, UH, IS DOING THEIR JOB, THEY COULD DO IT.
AND THEN I BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, DROPPED IT BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP.
UH, WE HAD, WE HAD A COUPLE DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST AND I'VE, I BROUGHT THIS UP.
THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS IS IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT, UH, BOTH ARE VERY IMPORTANT DEPARTMENTS.
I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET ANYTHING.
THERE'S GONNA BE A CATASTROPHE.
AND DEPUTY, DEPUTY MOTO, WE DO APOLOGIZE.
HOW MUCH DO APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW.
HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH DO YOU WANNA BET THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE JOB.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING THE JOB FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND JUST BE CLEAR, THERE'S NO LEARNING CURVE FOR FRANK MORABITO WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS.
THERE IS NO LEARNING CURVE WHATSOEVER.
YOU KNOW WHAT? AND THE EXISTING COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS RECOMMENDS HIGHLY AND NO ONE ELSE BUT FRANK MORABITO.
BUT YOU, BECAUSE OF YOUR HISTORY, IT'S NOT MY HISTORY BECAUSE OF YOUR HISTORY WILL SUPPORT FRANK MOTOS, COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS.
IF HE RELINQUISH INSPECTOR, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW.
WE JUST NEED TO KNOW TOMORROW.
WHAT I I'M NOT GONNA HOLD OVER, UH, THE, UH, THE APPOINTMENT BECAUSE, UM, THE BOARD BASICALLY, THERE'S A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD THAT THEY WANTED.
BUT I I, THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO KNOW.
WE HAVE, I'M GOING TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS AND I'M GONNA ASK THEM FOR THEIR YOU CAN, YOU CAN WEAPONIZE THE BOARD OF ETHICS, JUST LIKE YOUR SUPPORTERS AND SEE WHAT IT DOES FOR YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA, I THOUGHT HE WAS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER RULE.
PAUL, WHAT SECTION OF THE ETHICS CODE DO YOU THINK IS VIOLATED? THERE IS A CONFLICT.
WHICH SECTION? THE ETHICS CODE IS IN SECTIONS.
I'M NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY THE TOWN.
AND YOU'RE DESTROYING THE TOWN.
I'M JUST ASKING YOU WHAT SECTION
IT'S, IT'S, HE'S BEEN DOING IT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF.
AND YOU GET SO UPSET AND YOU HAVE CONTINUOUSLY NO.
YOU HAVE CONTINUOUSLY NO, YOU HAVE CONTINUOUSLY COMMENDED HIM FOR THE HARD WORK THAT HE HAS DONE.
BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T, BECAUSE HIS VACANCIES UNDER PLEASE STOP DISRESPECTING THIS MAN.
IT'S NOT, AND YOU, YOU KEEP DISRESPECTING THIS MAN.
IT'S NOT, HE GIVES INSPECTION GETTING DONE, DISRESPECTING HIM.
I DON'T THINK THEY, I DON'T YOU SAW, YOU SAW THE LIST.
LET'S, DO YOU WANT A FORENSIC DONE? LET'S DO A INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS ON OF YOU THE, THE WAY THE, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS RUN BECAUSE THERE'S MORE VACANCIES IN THAT DEPARTMENT.
AND WE'VE GIVEN YOU GETTING THE JOB DONE.
WE'RE GIVING WHAT DOES THAT SAY? THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING.
WELL, WELL WE DO BECAUSE THEY GAVE US THE FOLLOWING IT OFF.
WHAT, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU'RE DONE AND THEN I'LL SPEAK.
ARE YOU DONE? WE HAVE SPECIAL, WE HAVE SPECIAL COUNSEL AND YOU WANNA KEEP FIGHTING OFF.
YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDED DATA, INFORMATION THAT THE BUILDING AND HOW MANY INSPECTIONS THERE HAVE BEEN DOING.
YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO, THIS IS WHAT PAUL WANTS.
AND YOU NEED, WHEN YOU WRITE TO THE ETHICS BOARD, STATE THE SECTION OF THE ETHICS CODE THAT, THAT YOU BELIEVE.
NO, JUST DON'T SAY BELIEVE BECAUSE THAT'S JUST WEAPONIZING THE WEAPON, THE ETHICS BOARD STATE IN YOUR LETTER TO THEM, WHAT SECTION OF THE ETHICS CODE YOU THINK IS VIOLATED BY THIS? OKAY.
OH, OH, WELL I BELIEVE THERE'S A VIOLATION OF, SO WE HAVE SPECIAL COUNSEL.
I THINK HE'S PROMOTED ALREADY.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THE SUPERVISOR, HE'S FROM WHITEMAN OSTERMAN.
HE'S BEEN WORKING ON OUR FORECLOSURES FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
PRIOR TO THAT HE WAS WORKING ON OUR TECH RCR IS, IS STILL WORKING ON THOSE AS WELL.
AND SUPERVISOR ASKED FOR AN UPDATE, UM, IN OPEN SESSION.
DYLAN, ARE YOU AVAILABLE TO SIGN ON AT THIS POINT? I KNOW WE'RE A HALF HOUR LATE.
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LOW? YEAH, HE'S LOW.CAN YOU TURN UP YOUR VOLUME OR MAYBE OUR YEAH, 'CAUSE YOU SOUND LOW.
MR. HARRIS CAN TURN UP IN OUR STUDIO.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN TURN THESE UP.
WELL, SAM, YOU CAN HELP US HERE PLEASE.
IS THIS BETTER? NO, SOUNDS THE SAME.
UM, YEAH, SO GOOD, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE AS TO WHERE WE STAND.
UM, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 2000 TOTAL PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH.
UM, I ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WITH VENITA THIS AFTERNOON FOR THE 2014 AND 2015 LIST, WHICH THAT'S THE RECEIVER TAXES, WHICH ABOUT YES.
JUST FOR THE PUBLIC STRATIFICATION.
UM, SO FOR 2014 AND 2015, WHICH ARE THE TWO OLDEST YEAR IS AT ISSUE, UM, WE'VE GOT THE LISTS.
WE'RE TWEAKING IT, WE'RE SENDING IT TO BENITA FOR FINAL REVIEW, AT WHICH POINT WE EXPECT TO FILE THAT WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK TO TWO WEEKS AT MOST.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE WE HAVE A PETITION THAT'S, UM, BASICALLY READY TO GO ONCE WE PLUG IN THE UPDATED LIST FOR 14 AND 15.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S FILED, THE PLAN IS TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE THAT PROCESS.
THE UH, KIND OF GOOD THING HERE IS THAT FOR MOST OF THE YEARS, ONCE SOMEONE STOPPED PAYING THEIR TAXES, I MEAN, IT'S A BAD THING.
THEY DIDN'T PAY THEIR TAXES OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF THEY DIDN'T PAY IN 14, IT CARRIED THROUGH REALLY TO THE CURRENT YEAR.
MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T MISS TAXES IN 14 AND THEN PAY THEREAFTER.
SO THAT CLEANS UP THE LIST BECAUSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, LET'S SAY FOR AN EXAMPLE, WE FORECLOSE ON 30 PROPERTIES IN 2014.
IF THOSE FLOW THROUGH 15 THROUGH 24, WE WOULD THEN SELL THE PROPERTY VIA AUCTION.
AND THEN FROM THAT AUCTION THAT WOULD COVER ALL OF THE TAXES FROM 14 TO THE CURRENT YEAR.
SO, UM, BY STARTING AT THE EARLIER YEARS, WE ARE CLEANING UP A LOT OF THE, UH, LATER YEARS AS WELL.
UM, SO WE'VE BEEN AT IT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S QUITE A FEW PROPERTIES AND A LOT OF, UH, WORK TO BE DONE TO KIND OF DIG OUT OF WHERE THINGS WERE LEFT.
UM, BUT WE FEEL THAT WE'RE FINALLY AT A POINT HERE WHERE THE LISTS ARE PUT TOGETHER.
WE'VE GOT THE DATA, WE'VE GOT TITLE REPORTS, AND WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION TO FINALLY MOVE THIS FORWARD.
SO WHEN'S THE AUCTION'S GONNA BE HELD? UH, I SPOKE TO VENITA AND SHE SAID, UH, THE FIRST ONE SOMETIME IN APRIL OR MAY, WE'RE HOPING THE FIRST ONE IS GONNA BE SOMETIME IN APRIL OR MAY.
UM, I SPOKE TO ABSOLUTE AUCTION WHO, UM, PUT IN AN RFP AND WAS CHOSEN IN THE RFP TO AUCTION FOR THE TOWN.
UM, SO, AND I ACTUALLY RAN INTO THE AUCTIONEER, I BELIEVE THE HEAD AUCTIONEER AND CFO AT A CONFERENCE LAST WEEK.
SO I HAD A GOOD CHANCE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, PICK HER BRAIN AND, YOU KNOW, GET HER SET UP FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UM, SO THEY'RE READY TO GO AT THIS POINT.
SO WE ARE, UM, WAITING ON THE CONTRACT, I BELIEVE.
SO ONCE WE HAVE THE SIGNED CONTRACTS, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD, BUT THEY JUST NEED THAT SIGNED, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO START MOVING AND THEY DO ONLINE AUCTIONS, WHICH, UM, IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE YOU CAN GET A MUCH BROADER AUDIENCE THAT'S GOING TO, UH, UH, BE ABLE TO BID.
HOW, HOW MANY, HOW MANY COMPANIES BID FOR THE AUCTION SERVICES? I BELIEVE WE HAD FOUR OR FIVE, UM, IS MY RECOLLECTION.
AND, UM, AND WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF LIKE THE PRICE, THE PRICING AND ALL THAT? SO ALL OF THEM USE THE SAME METHODOLOGY, WHICH IS THEY TAKE A PERCENTAGE OF THE SALE PRICE, WHICH COVERS THEIR ADVERTISING, MARKETING AND THE COSTS FOR, UH, WHAT THEY ULTIMATELY SELL THE PROPERTY FOR.
SO THE TOWN'S NOT OUT OF POCKET FOR THEM AT ALL.
AND ATTORNEY'S FEES ARE ALSO COVERED, UM, OUT OF THE PROCEEDS AS WELL.
SO THE TOWN DOES GET MADE WHOLE, YOU KNOW, ONCE THESE PROPERTIES ARE SOLD AND ABSOLUTE AUCTION, I MEAN, I COULDN'T SPEAK MORE HIGHLY OF THEM.
UH, THEY DO AUCTIONS FOR A HUGE PORTION OF THE COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK AS WELL AS TOWNS, UM, LIKE GREENBURG AND TOWNS IN WESTCHESTER THAT DO THEIR OWN IN REM FORECLOSURES.
SO I MEAN, YOU, UH, IT, IT WAS A GOOD THING THEY PUT IN FOR THE RFP AND I MEAN THEY'RE BY FAR, YOU KNOW, THE MOST QUALIFIED AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA DO RIGHT BY THE TOWN.
SO I THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE REALLY HAPPY WITH, UH, THE PRODUCTS.
AND THE PLAN IS TO HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL AUCTIONS IN THE FALL AS WELL, WHICH WE'VE BEEN SPEAKING TO ABSOLUTE ABOUT AT THIS TIME.
UM, MY OFFICE HAS ALSO BEEN KEEPING A LIST OF THOSE INTERESTED IN THE AUCTIONS AND IT'S ALREADY WELL BEYOND 200 PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT ONCE THAT'S POSTED FOR
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EVERY AUCTION MOVING FORWARD, UNLESS SOMEONE ASKS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST, THAT THEY CONTINUE TO GET TIMELY NOTIFICATIONS.HERE ARE A LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON IT.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY WE DRIVE UP THAT PROCESS.
AND MAY I, UM, AND JUST, JUST AS A CAUTIONARY NOTE, BECAUSE THIS, THIS DID HAPPEN MUCH TO THE IRE OF ONE OF OUR VILLAGE MAYORS AND BOARDS WHERE PROPERTY PROPERTIES WERE IN THE VILLAGES, THEY WERE NEVER NOTIFIED OF THE AUCTION.
SO JUST MAKING SURE THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING COMING UP FOR AUCTION THAT IS WITHIN ONE OF THE VILLAGES THAT THE, THE RESPECTIVE MAYOR AND BOARD BE ADVISED BEFORE THE AUCTION SO THAT THEY HAVE THE HEADS UP AND CAN POTENTIALLY BID IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, CLEARING UP ALL THE BACKLOG OF FORECLOSURES.
UM, UH, UH, JOE MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, HE THOUGHT WITHIN TWO OR THREE YEARS, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE PRETTY CLOSE, THREE TO FOUR YEARS, THREE, THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
WOULD THAT BE AN ACCURATE ESTIMATE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BASICALLY BE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHO GAVE ME THAT ANSWER.
UM, THAT'S, YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER TO SAY YES IF THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD JOE.
UM, AND PART OF THAT REASON IS WE COULD MOVE QUICKER, BUT THERE WAS A SUPREME COURT DECISION IN 2024 ABOUT SURPLUS.
UM, AND IN THAT DECISION IT BASICALLY FORCED THE STATE OF NEW YORK TO AMEND, ITS IN REM PROCEDURE UNDER ARTICLE 11 OF THE REAL PROPERTY TAX LAW.
AND PART OF THAT IS PUTTING THESE PROCEEDINGS INTO THE FORECLOSURE PART OF THE COURT, UM, WHICH IS REALLY DESIGNED FOR MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE.
SO THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE ISSUE CLEANING UP THE 2013 YEAR THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN FILED WHEN WE STARTED IS THAT THESE THINGS TEND TO LANGUISH IN COURT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT ON THOSE ONES JUST TO SAY, JUDGE, LOOK, TAXES HAVE TO BE PAID.
WE CAN'T WAIVE TAXES AND THERE'S NOTHING TO SETTLE HERE, SO PLEASE RELEASE US, LET US FILE SUMMARY JUDGMENT MOTION AND MOVE THESE FORWARD.
UM, SO THAT'S THE POSITION WE'VE BEEN TAKING AND HOPEFULLY THAT'LL KEEP THINGS MOVING.
UH, SUCCINCTLY BEFORE YOU, WHEN YOU STARTED OUT, YOU REFERENCED THE FACT THAT BY CLEARING UP THE 20 13, 14 NUMBERS THAT THERE'S CARRY OVER INTO SUBSEQUENT YEARS.
CAN YOU GIVE SOME SORT OF PERCENTAGE OF THAT, WHICH I WOULD IMAGINE IDEALLY MAKES YOUR LIFE EASIER IN TERMS OF ACCOMPLISHING THAT THREE TO FOUR YEAR GOAL, BUT IF YOU CAN GIVE US SOME SENSE OF THAT PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTIES THAT CARRY OVER, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
IF YOU CAN'T, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, JUST LET US KNOW.
SO I DID TAKE A LOOK TODAY AND RUNNING THROUGH THE LIST, WE HAVE ABOUT 32 PROPERTIES, UM, THAT ARE ON CURRENTLY FOR 2014.
AND OUT OF THOSE, THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN.
UM, SO DOING THE MATH, WE'RE PROBABLY AT LIKE 15 TO 20% CARRYOVER.
AND YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT, BUT, UM, THAT 15% IS GONNA BE COVERED FOR THE NEXT BATCH, UM, AND THEN THE NEXT BATCH THEREAFTER.
'CAUSE EACH YEAR THEORETICALLY AT LEAST, THERE'S GONNA BE A FEW MORE.
SO I THINK EACH YEAR THERE'S GOING TO BE KIND OF A SNOWBALL EFFECT ON THAT FRONT.
UH, ARE THE AIRLINE, UH, THE, FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN READING ABOUT YOU, THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS, UH, PEOPLE THINK THAT, OH, THE TOWN, IF WE HADN'T COLLECTED AS OF YET, WE'VE LOST MONEY, DOESN'T THE, THE TAXES DUE RUN WITH THE LAND, SO WE'RE NOT LOSING, IF THERE'S BEEN DELAYS OR WHATEVER, WE COULD COVER MOST OF IT THROUGH THIS FORECLOSURE PROCESS? CORRECT.
SO EACH YEAR, UM, TAXES, THE TAXES THAT ERODE THAT WEREN'T PAID, THEY DO ACCRUE INTEREST AND PENALTIES.
UM, SO THAT GOES INTO MAKING THE TOWN WHOLE.
THE ONLY PIECE THAT YOU KNOW IS SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC WOULD BE THAT THESE WEREN'T MOVED ON BEFORE THE CHANGES IN 2024.
UM, BECAUSE BEFORE THEN YOU COULD KEEP THE SURPLUS.
SO LET'S SAY YOU SOLD A HOME AT AUCTION FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, THE IN REM LIEN IS 200,000.
THERE'D BE A DELTA OF $800,000.
AND, AND IN THE PRIOR WAY THAT NEW YORK WORKED, THE TOWN WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THAT.
UM, BUT AFTER THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UH, THAT'S NO LONGER THE CASE.
NOW THOSE FUNDS, THE 800 DELTA WOULD ACTUALLY GO INTO AN ESCROW ACCOUNT WITH THE COURT AND THEN GETS PAID OUT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
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THEM, YOU KNOW, THE EQUITY IN IT, IF YOU WILL.SO THAT'S THE ONLY PORTION THAT'S LEFT.
AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE EITHER WAY AS FAR AS FAIRNESS, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT THE LEGISLATURE DID, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WELL ABOVE MY PAY GRADE UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT THIS WAS THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT MADE THE RULING RATHER THAN I I I REMEMBER WHEN THE, THE COURTS, THEY SAID IT'S JUST UNFAIR, UH, FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR MUNICIPALITIES SAID IT WAS UNCONSTITUTIONAL YEAH.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WHO FINALIZED THIS PROCESS BEFOREHAND GOT TO REAP THE, THE BENEFITS OF RIGHT.
SO IT DOESN'T, IT MAY NOT SOUND FAIR, BUT WHAT'S NOT STATED HERE IS IF SOMEBODY HAS RUN UP A BILL OF 800,000 AND AT AUCTION SELLS FOR 500, THE TOWN HAS TO EAT THAT 300,000, CORRECT? CORRECT.
IN THE PAST IT WOULD BASICALLY ALMOST, IT COULD COME OUT AS A WASH WHERE THERE'S SOME THAT THE TOWN, UM, WHEN THE TOWN FORECLOSES, YOU KNOW, A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE AND IT SELLS 800,000, THE TOWN WOULD HAVE THAT 200,000.
BUT THEN THAT WOULD OFFSET THE ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, LET'S FACE IT FROM 2014, THEY'RE GONNA RUN UP A LOT OF INTEREST AND PENALTIES SINCE 2014.
UH, IT WOULD OFFSET THOSE WHERE WHEN YOU GO TO AUCTION, THE TOWN IS RE RE UH, BASICALLY LOSING OUT AND REMEMBER THE TOWN WHEN IT LOSES OUT, LOSES OUT BIG BECAUSE WE HA WE ALREADY PAID THE SCHOOL TAXES ON THAT.
WE PAID THE FIRE TAXES ON THAT HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE WE HAD TO, UH, THE FACT THAT SOMEBODY'S IN FORECLOSURE DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE GOOD HOLD THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE COUNTY, OR THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO NOT DOING THIS PRIOR TO 2014, UH, 2024, YOU KNOW, IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE GONNA, WE WE'RE GONNA COLLECT.
UM, I WOULD AGREE THAT CERTAINLY, UH, A LOT OF MONEY WAS LIKELY LEFT ON THE TABLE, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE THINGS WEREN'T DONE BEFORE THAT DECISION.
I DO WANNA THANK JOE, UM, FOR ONE RECOMMENDING THAT WE, UH, HIRE A FIRM THAT, UH, IS TAKING THIS THING SERIOUSLY.
AND I WANT THANK YOU FOR DOING IT.
UM, UH, THE PERSON WHO WAS DOING IT BEFORE, WHO WE PAID ALMOST JUST SHY OF A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WASN'T DOING WHAT WAS NEEDED TO BE DONE.
AND WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S $30 MILLION THAT'S, UM, OUTSTANDING PROPERTY TAXES, BUT NO ROAST AT THE END OF YOUR COMPLIMENT, NO ROAST.
NO, IT'S ACTUALLY A COMPLIMENT.
I, I ALSO WANNA, UH, COMPLIMENT YOU BECAUSE I SPOKE TO VENITA.
I MET WITH VENITA HOWARD TODAY.
UM, AND SHE SAID, UM, UH, SHE, UH, UH, WORKS NICELY WITH YOU AND IS IMPRESSED WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO, UH, COMPLIMENT YOU.
AND IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY A TEAM EFFORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH JOE, HIS STAFF.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL BEEN WORKING TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, DRIVING THIS FORWARD TO, UH, YOU KNOW, GET THE RIGHT RESULT FOR THE TOWN AND TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE ALL THE OTHER TAXPAYERS THAT HAVE BEEN PAYING ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT LEFT FOOTING THE BILL.
SO WE'RE PLUGGING AWAY AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
'CAUSE IT WAS LINGERING FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
WITH, UH, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YOU HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING PERSONAL MATTERS AND INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.