* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA MONDAY, March 30, 2026 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ] EVERYONE. UH, THANK, THANK YOU FOR, FOR YOUR PATIENCE, AND WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY. UH, THIS IS THE MONDAY, MARCH 30TH, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING, AND IT IS, UH, 7:16 PM UH, TOWN PLANNER. BRI, UH, WOULD YOU PLEASE CONDUCT THE ROLE? SURE. UH, CHAIR PERSON, PINE HERE. MS. ANDERSON? HERE. MR. ROBINSON? HERE. UH, MR. WEINBERG? HERE. MR. UH, PILLINGER? HERE. AND MR. PATEL? HERE. ALRIGHT. AND WE, UH, WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE THIS EVENING. UM, AND SO, UH, ONLY ONE OF OUR ALTERNATES WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, UH, IN EACH MATTER. UM, AS CHAIR, I HAVE ASSIGNED MR. PATEL TO VOTE, UH, ON THE MINUTES ON PB 21, 20 3D, NAPOLI, AND, UH, TB 25 0 3 PB 25 31 1 LAWRENCE IN LEY. AND, UH, MS. ROBINSON WILL VOTE ON PB 25 29 PALADINO AND PB 25 34 JEN KOREAN BARBECUE. UH, AND I'LL ANNOUNCE THAT AGAIN BEFORE EACH, UH, BEFORE EACH ITEM. UM, ALRIGHT. DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES, UH, THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED FOR OUR APRIL, FOR OUR MARCH 18TH, UH, MEETING, OUR LAST MEETING? YES. YES. WAS THERE ANY FEEDBACK OR EDITS TO THE MINUTES? NO. YEAH. ALRIGHT. I, I DID ACTUALLY HAVE ONE CORRECTION, UM, IN THE MINUTES. IT STATES THAT, UM, I REQUESTED THE APPLICANT THIS IS FOR, FOR DALEWOOD. UM, I REQUESTED THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER INSTALLING A CROSSWALK ACROSS THE ENTRANCE OF DALEWOOD ONE CLOSEST TO THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT, INDICATING THAT A NEW YORK STATE DE UH, NEW YORK STATE DOT PERMIT, UH, MAY NOT BE REQUIRED TO PAINT A CROSSWALK. UM, I DON'T RECALL STATING AFFIRMATIVELY, UH, SUGGESTING FOR OR AGAINST IF A PERMIT MAY BE REQUESTED. UM, AND SO, UH, A REQUIRED, AND SO I WOULD REQUEST THE MINUTES JUST TO BE ADJUSTED TO SAY, UM, A PERMIT MAY BE REQUIRED TO PAINT A CROSSWALK, UH, AND THAT THE, THE APPLICANT SHOULD CONTACT, UH, DOT TO CONFIRM. SO MOVED. ALRIGHT. SO I'LL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS AMENDED. UH, MR. PILLINGER. SO MOVED. SECOND. MOVED. MR. PILLINGER. SECOND. MR. PATEL. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR BOTH. AYE. UM, WE HAVE ONE PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE THIS EVENING. UH, CASE NUMBER PB 21, 20 3D NAPOLI, UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A, AN EXTENSION. THERE'S SIX PRELIMINARY, THERE'S SIX REQUEST EXTENSION REQUESTS, UH, FOR THEIR PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, UH, TOWN PLANNER BRITAIN. UH, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE REQUEST? SURE. UH, SO THIS PROJECT, UH, AS YOU CAN PROBABLY GUESS BY THE CASE NUMBER, HAS A BIT OF HISTORY WITH THE TOWN. UM, THEY RECEIVED PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL A WHILE AGO AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWN, UH, VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, UH, MOSTLY WITH THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING TO RESOLVE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS AND GET THEIR PLAT READY FOR THE SIGN OFF WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. UH, THEY HAVE WORKED THROUGH NUMEROUS REVISIONS, UH, IN RELATION TO THE FIRE, EMERGENCY ACCESS, THE SEWER LINES, WATER, ET CETERA. AND THEY'RE IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. HOWEVER, THE PREVIOUS ENGINEER, UH, HAS STEPPED DOWN FROM THIS PROJECT. SO THE APPLICANT HAS RECENTLY RETAINED A NEW ENGINEER, UH, NEW CIVIL ENGINEER WHO WILL BE PROCEEDING WITH THIS APPLICATION. UH, SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, SIX EXTENSIONS IS NOT TYPICAL FOR A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. UM, BUT THERE ARE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE APPLICANT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE WITH THE TOWN IN ACCOMMODATING THE TOWN'S REQUESTS. I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO NOTE THAT LAST TIME IT WAS AN EXTENSION REQUEST, THERE WAS SOME SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES REGARDING COMMENTS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. YES. SO THERE'S BEEN LIKE, ACTIVE WORK WITHIN THESE EXTENSIONS. ALRIGHT. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE EXTENSION REQUEST? AND MATT, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHY DID THE FORMER ENGINEER WALK? UH, HE RECENTLY HAS TO GET, UM, UH, HAD SOME HEALTH ISSUES, SO HE HAD TO STEP DOWN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE EXTENSION REQUEST? NO. ALRIGHT. UH, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE A 180 DAY EXTENSION, UH, ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION. UH, PB [00:05:01] 21, 23 DI NAPOLI. SO MOVED. ALRIGHT. MOVED. MR. PATEL. SECOND. SECOND. MR. PILLINGER? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. UH, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR PUBLIC HEARING OR, OR, UH, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS FOR PUBLIC HEARING THIS THIS EVENING. UM, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SESSION. SO, MOVED. MOVED. MR. PILLINGER. SECOND. SECOND. MS. UH, ROBINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. THE PUBLIC, UH, HEARING SESSION IS OPEN. UH, TOWN PLANNER BRITAIN. UH, MAY YOU CONDUCT THE ROLE? SURE THING. UH, CHAIRPERSON PINE HERE. MS. ANDERSON? HERE. MR. ROBINSON? HERE. MR. WEINBERG? HERE. MR. PILLINGER? HERE. MR. PATEL? HERE. ALRIGHT. UH, AND AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, UH, MS. ROBINSON WILL BE THE VOTING ALTERNATE, UH, FOR BOTH PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, THE FIRST CASE. AND, AND JUST AS A NOTE FOR THE BOARD AND FOR THE AUDIENCE, UM, UNFORTUNATELY, OUR, UM, REPORTER, COURT REPORTER WAS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. AND SO IF WE CAN MAKE AN EFFORT, UH, EVEN MORE SO THAN WE NORMALLY DO, TO TALK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE AND NOT TALK OVER EACH OTHER, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE TRANSCRIBED BASED ON THE RECORDING. AND SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, WE ANNUNCIATE AND WE'RE CLEAR INTO THE MICROPHONE, UM, TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. UH, SO THE FIRST CASE, THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS FOR CASE PB 25 29 PALADINO, UH, AT ONE 40 HAM AVENUE. UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING PSYCH PLAN APPROVAL. UH, IF THE APPLICANT COULD APPROACH THE MICROPHONE AND, UH, GOOD EVENING, GIVE US GOOD EVENING. UH, IF YOU CAN GIVE US A, A BRIEF, BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSAL. SURE. UM, MIKE CHISMAN MEYER, AND IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPLICATION FOR THE RECORD. OKAY. I'M JOE PALADINO. I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OVER AT ONE 40 NE AVENUE. AND, UM, MIKE GISMONDI, MY ARCHITECT IS ACTUALLY ON A ZOOM. IS THERE SOMETHING TO GET HIM CONNECTED? HELLO? THERE, THERE, IT'S MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD EVENING. HELLO, MY NAME IS MICHAEL GISMONDI. I'M AN ARCHITECT AND I'M WORKING WITH, UH, MR. PALADINO ON THIS PROJECT. UM, I CAN GIVE YOU A, A QUICK, UM, REVIEW IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE. I CAN SHARE A DRAWING WITH YOU AS WELL. UM, PLEASE DO. OKAY. UH, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO ON THIS SITE, WHICH IS, UM, APPROXIMATELY 150 BY A HUNDRED, IT'S, UM, THE SITE THAT'S SHADED. UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, STORE, UH, MATERIAL IN THE, UH, AREA THAT, UM, IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SITE, UM, THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UM, STORE, UH, MOTOR VEHICLES AROUND THE PERIMETER. AND, UH, PLACE A SEVEN FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UH, WHICH IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH A SEVEN FOOT HIGH, A SEVEN FOOT SIX HIGH CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT PERIMETERS THE WHOLE SITE. UM, WE HAVE AN AERIAL VIEW UP IN THE RIGHT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE. UM, AND THE SITE IS ON THE UPPER LEFT. AND, UH, THE SURFACE OF THE, UH, THE SITE ITSELF IS, UH, EXISTING GRAVEL AND DIRT. UM, AND, UH, IT IS A HARD PACKED, UH, SURFACE, WHICH HAS BEEN THERE FOR SEVERAL, SEVERAL YEARS. UM, BUT, UH, WHAT MR. PALADINO IS PREPARING TO DO IS TO, UM, STORE MATERIAL AS WELL AS VEHICLES ON THE SITE FOR HIS BUSINESS. UM, AND, UM, IT'S ADJACENT TO NHE AVENUE, WHICH IS, IS A PAPER STREET, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT, UM, AGAIN IN THAT AERIAL VIEW, UM, WHICH IS BETWEEN THE FRONT SITE ON SOUL MOVE RIVER ROAD, AND HIS SITE ON THE REAR. UM, THE, UH, SECTION BLOCK AND LOT IS, UM, SECTION 7.180, UH, BLOCK 52, LOT 11. UM, AND, UM, THE, AGAIN, THE, UM, THE SITE IS EXISTING. UM, IT'S BEEN AN INDUSTRIAL, UH, SITE FOR, UH, FOREVER. [00:10:01] UM, AND, UM, IT REALLY, IT SORT OF FRONTS ON NORTH PAYNE, BUT IS ALSO, UM, THE ADDRESS IS LOCATED ON THE PAPER STREET NE ABRAHAM AVENUE. UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, UH, IF YOU NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE, ONE OTHER THING THOUGH I JUST WANNA MENTION IS THAT WE, UM, WE COMPLY WITH ALL THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, UM, AND, UH, WE ALSO, UH, SPECIFICALLY REQUIRE, UM, A CERTAIN IMPERVIOUS, UH, UH, AREA, WHICH WE'VE COMPLIED WITH AS WELL. UM, AND WE ARE UNDER THE THRESHOLD. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GONNA HOLD QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD UNTIL AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON PB? 25 29 PALLADINO. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON PB? 29. 25. 29 PALADINO. ALRIGHT. UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? UH, MR. PILLINGER, UH, WHAT TYPE OF MATERIAL ARE YOU PROPOSING TO STORE ON THIS PROPERTY? UM, WE HAVE, OH, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. YOU WANT, YOU WANT OH, OKAY. THANKS MIKE. UM, WE WE'RE BASICALLY STORING, UH, FORMS FOR CONCRETE WORK, UM, UH, LUMBER, UM, JOB MATERIALS, UH, SORTS OF, UH, WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, SO IT'S, UM, IT, IT'S TYPICALLY STUFF THAT WE'RE USING PERIODICALLY LOADING ONTO TRUCKS, TAKING IT OUT TO THE SITES AND BRINGING IT BACK AND, AND, AND STORING FOR FUTURE USE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. WEINBERG? IS, IS THERE A STORM MANAGEMENT PLAN? I MEAN, I ASSUME IF YOU'RE PUTTING LARGE CONCRETE FORMS, YOU ARE LIKE IMPEDING DRAINAGE ON THE PROPERTY? UH, NO, THEY'RE NOT THAT BIG. THEY'RE BASICALLY, UM, CURB FORMS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE TWO BY EIGHT PANELS. UM, NOTHING REALLY, UH, ENORMOUS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT, UM, IT'S MOSTLY FOR SIDEWALKS AND CURBS AND SORTS OF THAT. OKAY. LAST, UH, AT THE LAST MEETING, THE ISSUE WAS RAISED ABOUT AN OIL WATER SEPARATOR THAT WAS GONNA BE CONSIDERED AND COULD TELL US WHERE THAT STANDS. UM, WELL, THE SURFACE, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T BELIEVE IS CONDUCIVE FOR AN OIL WATER SEPARATOR. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY GRAVEL AND, AND DIRT, WHICH, UM, IN INSTALLING SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE, UH, WOULD PROBABLY JUST KIND OF FILL UP WITH, WITH MUD AND, AND DIRT AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW EFFECTIVE THAT WOULD BE. NOT ONLY THAT, THE AREAS IN THE FLOOD ZONE, WHICH TYPICALLY IS, HAS GROUNDWATER. SO I'M NOT SURE IF, UM, IF THAT WILL WORK. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DIGGING DOWN, UH, EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA HIT WATER RELATIVELY QUICKLY. UM, UH, MIKE, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING TO, UH, YES, SIR. AGAIN, UM, THE, THE SURFACE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE USING IS THE EXISTING SURFACE THAT WAS, UH, HARD PACKED DIRT AND, UM, GRAVEL. UM, WE, WE DON'T INTEND TO PAVE THE SITE 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY UNDUE, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES, UM, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, RUNOFF ON THE PROPERTY. SO IT SORT OF EXISTS AS SOME, ALL THE OTHER SITES IN THAT AREA. UM, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, A HARD SURFACE, WHICH IS SOME, IS PART OF, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR AN OIL SEPARATOR, UM, WHERE YOU CAN CAPTURE RUNOFF WATER INTO IT, CATCH BASIN, AND THEN, UM, PIPE IT TO A, AN OIL SEPARATOR, WHICH THEN WOULD, UM, DISCHARGE INTO A STORM SEWER. UM, THAT DOESN'T EXIST HERE. UH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF HARD SURFACE. UM, AND, AND FOR THIS KIND OF A STORAGE, UH, USE, WHICH IS KIND OF, IS LIMITED TO, UM, SIX FEET HIGH, BY THE WAY. SO IT, IT IS REALLY NOT A, A TREMENDOUS HEIGHT THERE. BUT, UM, THE SURFACE ITSELF IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THAT KIND OF A, A SYSTEM. SO IF WE HAD A HEAVY STORM AND WATER, THE PROPERTY DRAINING OFF THE PROPERTY, IT WOULD CONTAIN OIL AND WATER BECAUSE YOU HAD TRUCKS THERE THAT COULD BE LEAKING, THAT COULD BE LEAKING. UH, I MEAN, IS IT GONNA CONTAMINATE OFFSITE AREAS? BUT, [00:15:01] YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY, POTENTIALLY THIS SITE IS, UH, PERIMETER WITH A LANDSCAPE BUFFER, UM, WHICH HAS A, UH, SEVEN FOOT WIDE MULCH AREA. UM, UNLIKE THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, IF YOU LOOK AT AVENUE, UH, WHICH IS P STREET, THAT'S A STORAGE UNIT FOR TRUCKS, UH, FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. UH, THEY, THEY SIT THERE ALL DAY, UH, SO STORED OVERNIGHT AND FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME, UM, THAT IS THE SAME SURFACE THAT WE HAVE ON OUR PROPERTY. UM, AND THOSE, THOSE TRUCKS ARE SITTING THERE. UM, IT, IT, IT WOULD BEHOOVE ANYBODY TO, TO, TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE AREA AND UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL AREA. UM, MR. PALADINO KEEPS, UM, A MAINTENANCE LOG OF HIS TRUCKS. UM, HE USES THEM EVERY DAY. UH, THEY, THEY COME IN AND OFF THE SITE. UH, HE HAS A GREAT TRACK RECORD WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, UH, MAINTAINING ALL HIS VEHICLES, WHICH ARE THEN TAKEN TO OTHER SITES, UM, AND MUNICIPALITIES WHERE HE'S DOING WORK, UH, ON CONCRETE, UH, YOU KNOW, CURVES AND SIDEWALKS. I THINK THAT HE, UH, HE'S VERY DILIGENT ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT HIS, HIS VEHICLES ARE NOT LEAKING OIL, UH, OR ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER, UH, LIQUIDS OF, YOU KNOW, FLUIDS IN, IN THOSE TRUCKS, UM, HAVE TO, HAVE TO SAY THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, HIS, HIS OPERATION IS, IS A, UH, UH, ONE THAT CERTAINLY WOULDN'T ALLOW IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE, UH, IT WOULD BE RECTIFIED IMMEDIATELY. SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THIS STANDPOINT, THIS IS A SMALL OPERATION IN THIS, IN THIS, UH, A HUNDRED BY 150 FOOT AREA. UM, AND I THINK IF ANYTHING, HE'S GONNA MAINTAIN THIS PROPERTY BETTER THAN MOST OTHER SITES, WHICH ARE LARGER, WHICH ARE MORE DIFFICULT TO, TO, UM, TO MAINTAIN. I THINK THIS IS A NICE SELF-CONTAINED, UH, UNIT, WHICH HE CAN, HE CAN PROVIDE, UM, TREMENDOUS MAINTENANCE TO HIS, HIS VEHICLES AS WELL AS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING, UM, ANY, UH, ANY THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN LIKE LEAKAGE, UM, IN A, IN A, IN A COLOSSAL CATASTROPHIC STORM. I THINK, UM, THERE ARE ALL THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES WOULD ALL, ALL HAVE THE SAME ISSUES. UM, AND THE SAME PROBLEMS. I THINK THAT, UM, AGAIN, WE'RE CONTAINED WITH A FENCE WHEN CONTAINED WITH A MULCHED, UH, SEVEN FOOT WIDE PLANTING AREA WITH SHRUBBERY ON IT. UM, BOY, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PROBABLY THE BEST CONDITION, UH, OF MOST OF THE PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA. YEAH, I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE 'CAUSE I WENT OVER THERE LAST WEEK AND, AND LOOKED AT IT, SO I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. MATT DOES, DID, DID OUR ENGINEERING PEOPLE LOOK AT WHETHER A, UH, SEPARATOR IS FEASIBLE HERE? UH, SO THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT QUESTION. UM, BUT THEY DID PRELIMINARILY REVIEW THE FLOODPLAIN DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, UH, AND IT WAS, UH, THEIR PROPOSALS ACCEPTABLE. UH, AND THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HAS, UH, RECOGNIZED THAT THERE IS NO VARIANCES NEEDED FOR IMPERVIOUS SURFACES, UM, AS THEY'RE GOING FROM 100% IMPERVIOUS SURFACES DOWN TO BELOW 80% WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE LANDSCAPED BUFFER. AND IF THERE WAS ANY SERIOUS STORM, THIS IS NEAR THE SOMO RIVER, RIGHT? IS IT DRAINING? WOULD DRAINAGE BE INTO THE RIVER OR COULD IT BE INTO THE RIVER IF THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY YEAH. WATER THAT FLOWS OFF OF THIS SITE WOULD EVENTUALLY MAKE ITS WAY TO THE SOOMO RIVER. YEAH. UH, THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP IN THE MEETING LAST WEEK WAS, UH, I THINK YOU SAID YOU WOULD CONSIDER SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS. SO YES. WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE AND WE WERE KIND OF, UM, HOPING YOU'D GIVEN US AN IDEA WHERE YOU GUYS WOULD THINK A SIDEWALK WOULD FIT THERE. I KNOW THE APRON IS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE, THE, THE WALKING APRON. UM, BUT, UM, ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS? YEAH, SO I, I I WOULD THINK, UM, THE FRONTAGE ALONG PAIN STREET, UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THE CURB WAS, WAS MORE OR LESS, UH, FLUSHED WITH THE ROADWAY OR, OR AT LEAST LOW ENOUGH THAT CARS ARE ABLE TO RIGHT. GET UP ONTO THE CURB. AND SO I WOULD BUILD UP THAT CURB, SO TO, TO SORT OF MAKE CLEAR TO, TO DRIVERS THAT THIS IS NOT A PARKING AREA. OKAY. UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, PUTTING, PUTTING SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME STANDARD CROSSWALK OR SOME STANDARD SIDEWALK ALONG THE FRONTAGE, UM, WITH THE HOPE THAT AS OTHER, [00:20:01] UH, AS OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG PAIN STREET, YOU KNOW, AS THEY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD ASK THE, WE, WE WOULD MAKE SIMILAR REQUESTS TO THEM. SO HOPEFULLY SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, ALL OF THESE SIDEWALKS ALONG PAYNE WOULD, WOULD LINK UP WITH EACH OTHER. OKAY. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, A SIDEWALK ALONG THE PAPER ROAD ON, ON NHE AVENUE WOULD, WOULD MAKE SENSE. RIGHT. THOUGH I WOULD DEFER TO OTHERS IF, IF THEY FELT THAT WAY. SO I THINK IT'S REALLY THE, THE FRONTAGE STREET, JUST THE FRONTAGE OF THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. UH, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE GONNA WORK THERE? UM, TYPICALLY THERE'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 10 OR LESS EMPLOYEES THAT COME TO THE SITE IN THE MORNING. AND THEY ARE, UM, BASICALLY GOING TO PICK UP A TRUCK, LEAVE THEIR CAR IN THE YARD, AND GO OFF TO THE JOB SITE. ANY PROVISION FOR, YOU KNOW, BATHROOM FACILITIES, EVEN IF THEY'RE THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THERE, THERE'S ALWAYS A BATHROOM FACILITY ON A JOB SITE. SO TYPICALLY THEY WON'T BE HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME. MM-HMM . AND AT THE MOMENT, THERE'S, UH, NO PLUMBING OR, UH, UH, UH, THERE'S NO WATER, NO PLUMBING ON THE PROPERTY AT ALL. OKAY. AND, UH, THERE'S NO SERVICING OF THE TRUCKS THAT ARE THERE. YOU'RE NOT WASHING 'EM, YOU'RE NO, NO WASHING, THERE'S NO WATER ON SITE. OKAY. HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, UH, LOAD UP YOUR, UH, BARRIERS? I ASSUME THERE'S A RACK TRUCK, A CHERRY PICKER OR SOMETHING? UH, NO, THE, THE FORMS ARE LOADED BY HAND. MOST OF THE STUFF IS JUST LOADED BY HAND. THERE, THERE, MOST OF THE STUFF THAT WE DO IS SIDEWALK AND CURB WORK. SO THEY'RE JUST KIND OF, THEY'RE, THEY'RE 16 FOOT LONG FORMS. SOME ARE STACKED, UH, 18 INCHES HIGH FOR THE CURB, AND THEN OTHERS ARE BASICALLY TWO BY FOURS OR TWO BY SIXES WHEN WE'RE FORMING SIDEWALKS. THAT'S TYPICALLY MOST OF THE STUFF THAT'S IN THERE. OKAY. I WAS JUST WONDERING, GOING BACK TO, UH, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE OIL LEAKS. UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE CHERRY PICKERS OR A CRANE, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A BIG CONCERN WITH OIL LEAKS. SURE. YEAH. I GUESS IS THERE ANY EQUIPMENT THAT, THAT STAYS ON THE SITE VERSUS TRUCKS OR OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING FROM SITE TO SITE? THERE MAY BE EQUIPMENT THERE FROM TIME TO TIME. TYPICALLY, THEY'RE ON A JOB SITE, BUT WHEN THERE'S NOT ANY WORK FOR THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, THERE MAY BE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT HERE OR THERE. OKAY. BUT NOT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD, MS. ROBINSON? SO FOLLOW UP ON MR. WEINBERG'S QUESTION. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU OWN THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. SHOULD YOUR EMPLOYEES NEED TO USE THE RESTROOM? IS THERE ACCESS TO THE RESTROOMS IN YOUR PROPERTY? ACROSS THE STREET? THERE IS A HOUSE ON ONE OF THE PROPERTIES, BUT AT THE MOMENT IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT FUNCTIONING. UM, SO THERE'S, THERE AT THE MOMENT, THERE'S NO RESTROOM ON THE PROPERTY, NOT EVEN ON THE, IN THE BUILDING THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF PAYNE AND SELMA RIVER ROAD. NO, THERE'S NOT. AND, AND THAT'S THE WAY I PURCHASED IT. IT'S NOTHING THAT WE, WE DIDN'T TAKE A RO OUT. WE JUST, THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS WHEN I PURCHASED IT. IS ANYTHING GETTING DEMOLISHED? UM, USED THE SITE EVENTUALLY? UH, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'RE JUST FOCUSING ON THIS FOR NOW. OKAY. SO FOR WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING FOR WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS, THERE'S NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DEMOLISHING ANYTHING? NO, THERE'S NOTHING GETTING DEMOLISHED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT. UH, WELL, MR. MR. WEINBERG, MR. WEINBERG, TO BOTH MY QUESTIONS. SO , THEY WERE, THEY WERE, THEY WERE VERY GOOD ONES. . UM, ALL RIGHT THEN, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH APRIL 8TH. SO, MOVED. MOVED, MS. ROBINSON. SECOND. SECONDED. UH, SECOND. MS. ANDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU EVERYONE. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 34, JEN KOREAN BARBECUE IN THE DALEWOOD ONE SHOPPING CENTER. UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT AND A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION. AND IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPLICANT FOR THE RECORD. YES. HI, UH, COLLETTE DELORO, SENIOR PROJECT, UH, MANAGER AT [00:25:01] LANG IN, UM, CIVIL ENGINEER. SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO, I WANNA GET THE SITE PLAN UP. JUST GIMME ONE SECOND. OKAY. ALRIGHT. YES, SIR. SURE. I'M MARK NEWMAN WITH BRICKS MOORE PROPERTY GROUP. AND, UM, WE HAVE KELLY WOOD WITH US TODAY AS WELL. SHE'S OUR PROPERTY MANAGER IN PERSON TODAY, AS OPPOSED TO ON THE SCREEN. UH, WE ALSO HAVE JOHN MCKAY FROM JEN KOREAN, WHO IS, UH, LOGGING IN VIA ZOOM. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA KEEP IT SUPER SHORT. THIS IS OUR FOURTH APPEARANCE BEFORE THIS BOARD. WE'VE HAD THREE WORKING SESSIONS. I THINK THEY'VE BEEN VERY PRODUCTIVE AND THOROUGH. HOPEFULLY WE'VE ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS. UM, AND HOPEFULLY, UM, I THINK MOST OF THE REQUESTED CHANGES TO THE SITE WE'VE MADE, UM, WITH THE HOPES THAT IT IMPROVES CIRCULATION, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, SAFETY, UM, WE THINK THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE RAISED AND, UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, UM, SEEING WHERE THIS GOES TONIGHT. GREAT. UM, FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU JUST QUICKLY WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ALONG THE SITE, UH, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE VARIOUS CROSSWALKS, UM, AND, AND STOP SIGNS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED? CERTAINLY. SO ON OUR SITE PLAN, UM, YOU CAN SEE AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, WE'RE ADDING CROSSWALK STRIPING, UH, TO THE CROSSWALK ALONG NORTH CENTRAL AVENUE, AS WELL AS CROSSWALK STRIPING TO WHAT IS CURRENTLY A BRICK CROSSWALK, UH, TO MAKE THAT MORE VISIBLE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES. IN ADDITION, WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UM, A LOCATION THAT DOES NOT HAVE A STOP SIGN. IT ONLY HAS A STOP BAR, SO WE'LL BE ADDING A STOP SIGN THERE. WE WILL ALSO BE ADDING, UM, TWO STOP SIGNS AND STOP BARS WITH, UH, STOP MARKING, UM, AT THIS INTERSECTION HERE AND THIS INTERSECTION HERE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER VISIBILITY FOR BOTH VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS. UM, AND SO THAT THERE ARE STOPS AT EACH OF THOSE, UH, FOUR INTERSECTIONS. UM, LET'S SEE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE PROVIDED, UM, AN A DA ACCESSIBLE PARKING STALL ADJACENT TO THEIR NEW RESTAURANT SPACE, UM, AS WELL AS A NEW ACCESSIBLE CURB RAMP, UH, WITH, WITH DETECTABLE WARNING FOR SAFE ACCESS FROM THE A DA PARKING STALL TO THE SIDEWALK. SO THOSE ARE, OH, AND THEN ONE MORE, I APOLOGIZE. UM, WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A PEDESTRIAN RAMP THAT WAS KIND OF LEADING TO NOWHERE, NO CROSSWALK. SO WE DECIDED TO ELIMINATE THAT CROSSWALK, OR SORRY, THAT PEDESTRIAN RAMP FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND COULD YOU JUST POINT OUT, UM, THE NEW PLANTING AREA AND THE DEDICATED SNOW STORAGE AREA? YES. SO WE'VE ALSO, WE WERE REMOVING A PARKING STALL DUE TO THE ADDITIONAL STOP BAR. UH, SO NOW WE ARE ADDING A CURVED LANDSCAPED ISLAND AS SHOWN HERE IN GREEN. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A, YOU KNOW, A LOCAL STORE, UH, SNOW STORAGE LOCATION HERE. AND WE'VE MADE THIS STRIPING A BIT BETTER, UM, IN TERMS OF VEHICULAR MANEUVERABILITY. UH, BEFORE THERE WAS SOME ODD PARKING STALL THAT HAD A WHATEVER, IT WAS VERY STRANGE , I CAN'T EVEN EXPLAIN IT. UM, SO ANYWAY, SO NOW WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT LOCATION AS A SNOW STORAGE ZONE. UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A, YOU KNOW, SOME SNOW STORAGE, UM, THAT COULD OCCUR IN THIS CORNER AS WELL. UM, WE'VE ALSO PRESENTED A, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED INFORMATION ON THE SNOW REMOVAL STRATEGY FOR DALEWOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT US TO GO INTO THAT, UM, BUT THERE IS A CONTRACTED SUMMARY REMOVAL. SURE. THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT. BRIEFLY, IF YOU, OKAY. YOU WANNA GIVE A REALLY QUICK SUMMARY OR BASICALLY WE, YOU KNOW, BRICKS MORE HAS CONTRACTED A SNOW REMOVAL COMPANY, UM, OR A PLOW COMPANY RATHER TO PLOW THE SNOW OFF OF THE PARKING STALLS. UM, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS EXCESS SNOW, UM, THEY'RE IN THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE SNOW, UH, PLOW COMPANY IS REMOVAL OF THAT SNOW FROM THE SITE. SO IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH SNOW BUILDUP THAT IT'S THEN ELIMINATING PARKING STALLS, THEY ARE PREPARED TO HANDLE SNOW [00:30:01] IN THAT WAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND, AND JUST TO CONFIRM FOR THE RECORD, UM, IN PREVIOUS WORK SESSIONS, WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED, AND I'M, I'M FORGETTING THE EXACT, UH, NOMENCLATURE, BUT, UH, UH, TENANT PARKING PLAN FOR EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THE REAR. YES. WE PUT TOGETHER AN EMPLOYEE PARKING PLAN THAT WE PRESENTED HERE AND THAT WE WILL IMPLEMENT WITH ALL OF OUR AT TENANTS. DALE WOULD ONE. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, RELATED TO THAT, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM A BOARD MEMBER, IF THERE WAS ANY, UH, RESTRICTED PARKING IN THE LEASES. IF YOU COULD JUST GO OVER THAT. THERE'S NO RESTRICTED PARKING LEASES, GREAT. OR DEDICATED SPACES. IT'S, UH, ALL SHARED PARKING. ALRIGHT. UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, UH, PB 25 34 GEN KOREAN BARBECUE. ALRIGHT. UM, IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON PB 25 34. JEN KOREAN BARBECUE. ALRIGHT. UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YES. ALRIGHT, MR. WEINBERG. SO I HAD, UH, TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INSTALLING BOLLARDS. AND, UH, I NOTICED IN THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT THAT WAS REJECTED FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I DROVE UP AND DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE OVER THE WEEKEND. UH, TRADER JOE'S, WHICH IS RELATIVELY RECENT, UH, HAS THEM ACROSS THE WHOLE FRONT OF ITS STORE AND THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, PARKING FACING THE STORE. UH, SHAKE SHACK ON YOUR PROPERTY DOES HAVE BOLLARDS IN A PORTION OF THE EXTERNAL, UH, LAYOUT. CHASE, WHICH IS ALSO ON THE PROPERTY, HAS BOLLARDS ALONG THE FRONT THINK GOING DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE TO FOUR CORNERS. THERE'S THAT BIGGER BAGEL DELL. THEY HAVE THEM ACROSS THE WHOLE EXTERIOR OF THE, UH, LITTLE, LITTLE CENTER. THERE'S, UH, GOING FURTHER DOWN LEFT TERRACE, YOU KNOW, MOVED IN RELATIVELY RECENTLY, A GREEK RESTAURANT. AND NEXT TO LEFT TERRACE IS A RE ITALIAN RESTAURANT CALLED PASADENA'S. THEY HAVE BOLLARDS IN FRONT OF THEIR STORE OF THEIR RESTAURANTS AND THERE IS NO, YOU KNOW, PARKING FACING THOSE RESTAURANTS ACROSS THE STREET. THERE'S A NEW FURNITURE STORE CALLED NATUZZI. IT'S A SINGLE TENANT PROPERTY. THEY HAVE BOLLARDS. IF YOU GO DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER, THE HARSDALE POST OFFICE HAS THEM ACROSS THE HALL EXTERIOR. AND I'M SURE IF I KEPT DRIVING AROUND I'D, I'D SEE SOME MORE. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE WITH THIS IS THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION OF 90 IS SO AT A SYNC WITH WHAT THE TOWN HAS DONE, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE WELL AWARE OF THAT YOU KNOW IT DURING PEAK TIMES FOR YOUR ESTABLISHMENT FOR THE OTHER RESTAURANTS THERE. AND FOR EACH MART, YOU'RE BASICALLY USING UP VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE SPACES IN A PERFECT WORLD. AND PEOPLE COMING TO THE RESTAURANT ARE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE FACT OF OUR COMMUNITY GENERALLY IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN AGING COMMUNITY. THERE'S MORE RISK WHEN YOU GET OLDER. I'M LOOKING IN A MIRROR, UH, TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE MISTAKES. UH, I THINK THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MAY COME AND DROP PEOPLE OFF AT THE RESTAURANT AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA GO RUNNING AROUND TRYING TO FIND A, YOU KNOW, PARKING SPACE. UH, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK, DID YOU SAY LAST TIME THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO TAKEOUT OR DELIVERY? NO. DOORDASH. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO JOHN ON THAT QUESTION. THAT THAT'S CORRECT. I THOUGHT THERE WAS POTENTIALLY SOME TAKEOUT ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUSHI COMPONENT. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, YOU KNOW, DENY MY RECOLLECTION. I MEAN, LOOK, I'M, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION JUST TO BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, DRIVERS COMING TO PICK UP, YOU KNOW, FOOD, THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO BE NEAR THAT FRONT DOOR AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE NOT. AND IF THEY CAN'T STAY THERE FOR SOME REASON, THEY'RE GONNA BE RUNNING AROUND THAT PARKING LOT. 'CAUSE IT'S ALL A MATTER OF TIME. SO I, I THOUGHT THERE WASN'T GONNA BE ANY, UH, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUT DELIVERY DOOR DASH, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW FOR SURE WHETHER THERE IS OR ISN'T BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S A CON YOU KNOW, A CONCERN BECAUSE IT'S SO TIGHT. PARKING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE SPILLOVERS [00:35:01] HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CAUSE A SAFETY PROBLEM. UH, AS I STATED IN PREVIOUS WORK SESSIONS, WE DO NOT OFFER TAKEOUT OR DELIVERY. 'CAUSE WE ARE ALL YOU CAN EAT. THANK YOU. AND WOULD, I MEAN, WOULD THAT BE A CONDITION IN ANY APPROVAL THAT THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE ANY TAKEOUT OR DELIVERY IF THE APPLICANT IS INDICATING THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY TAKEOUT, WE CAN MEMORIALIZE THAT. LET ME, IF, IF I MAY TOO, MAY I, UM, ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU RAISED? UH, LET ME ASK, OH, SORRY. LEMME THERE ONE MORE MARK. YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT VALET PARKING. ALRIGHT. UM, FOR THE SAME REASONS, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS, YOU KNOW, ARTICULATING BEFORE, UH, WHEN THIS PARKING LOT GETS, YOU KNOW, FILLED UP AND YOU HAVE ABOUT MAYBE, I THINK 85 SPACES NEAR BETWEEN THE AREA ACROSS, YOU KNOW, ACROSS FROM THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, ACROSS FROM THE ENTRANCE AND MAYBE CHASE. ALRIGHT. AND THEN WHEN YOU START GOING INTO THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF O MANDARIN IN FRONT OF YOURS, BUT NOT THE ENTRANCE, I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED 130 SPACES, 140. THERE'S ONLY 130 IN THAT AREA IF YOU ALLOCATE ONLY HALF OF THE SPACES THAT ARE IN FRONT. SO, YOU KNOW, ON THE PEAK TIMES, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND THAT, THAT PARKING AREA, YOU KNOW, FRANTIC TO GET A SPACE. IT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT INCREASES THEIR RISK OF ACCIDENTS. IT INCREASES, YOU KNOW, THE RISK OF PEOPLE FIGHTING OVER SPACES. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DEALING WITH A, YOU KNOW, A SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I'M NOT GONNA, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BUY MORE PROPERTY, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON WHETHER THERE ARE ANY ALTERNATIVES TO MITIGATE, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE CAN TAKE SOMEONE'S CAR, A SENIOR CITIZEN, SOMEONE WHO'S GOT A DISABILITY. I THINK THERE ARE ONLY THREE A DA SPACES IN THAT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE PARKING, FROM THE ENTRANCE. WELL, THERE'S MORE THAN CODE REQUIRES. I KNOW THAT MAYBE TWO MORE SPACES THAN CODE REQUIRES EIGHT TOTAL AT THE CENTER. EIGHT FRONTING. RIGHT. AND ONE, YEAH, NO, I, I I KNOW YOU'RE, I KNOW YOU'RE DOING WHAT THE CODE IS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, 407 SEATS IN A RESTAURANT MM-HMM . IN A COMMUNITY WHERE A LOT OF YOUR PATRONS ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SENIOR CITIZENS, THAT'S WHO YOU WANT. THEY'RE HOME ALL THE, YOU KNOW, DAY LONG AND, AND, AND GO OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES IN MANY CASES TO FREQUENT RESTAURANTS. MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S SO TIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE, I'M LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES. YEP. BOTH THE BOLLARDS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HITS THE GAS AND THAT'S GOING RIGHT INTO YOUR ENTRANCE OVER THERE. MM-HMM. AND THE CURB HEIGHT IS LOW. ALRIGHT. UH, IF YOU RAISE THE CURB HEIGHT, MR. PATEL SAID IN THE LAST MEETING, THAT RAISES ISSUE OF PEOPLE TRIPPING. MM-HMM. SO, YOU KNOW, TO ME THE BOLLARDS, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY BEING DONE BY OTHER, YOU KNOW, WELL, IF I MAY OR IF YOU DO YOU HAVE MORE? NO. OKAY. UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE BOLLARDS IN FRONT OF THE CHASE BANK ARE A SECURITY, UH, CONCERN. THEY PUT THOSE THERE AND MANY BANKS PUT BOLLARDS UP FOR SECURITY REASONS. IN ADDITION TO SAFETY REASONS. SHAKE CHECK HAS BOLLARDS UP BECAUSE THERE'S OUTDOOR SEATING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE ALL THE TIME SITTING OUTSIDE. AND THAT'S TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM DRIVING INTO PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO STOREFRONTS. UM, WE ASKED OUR, UM, LEASING REPRESENTATIVE, UM, NICK ANDRIOTIS, WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON THE PROPERTY FOR 30, 35 YEARS, AS WELL AS OUR FORMER PROPERTY MANAGER. IF THERE'S EVER BEEN AN INCIDENT OF A CAR JUMPING THE CURB AT DALEWOOD ONE, TWO, OR THREE IN THEIR HISTORY, AND THEY'VE SAID, NO THERE ISN'T. BOLLARDS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE. THEY WERE, THEY INTERFERE WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. THEY CREATE A, UM, THEY SORT OF GIVE A SIGNAL TO PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING UP TO THE RESTAURANTS THAT I DON'T THINK IS VERY WELCOMING. IN FACT, I THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN IT AT SOME OF OUR OTHER CENTERS THAT ARE IN VERY TOUGH NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THEM UP FOR SECURITY REASONS. AND I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT LOOK HERE AT THE CENTER AND TRYING TO CREATE AN OPEN AND ENVI INVITING, UM, CORNER RIGHT THERE. SO BOLLARDS. AND IT SETS A PRECEDENT TOO FOR THE REST OF THE CENTER. THEN WHEN DO WE NOT CONTINUE TO PUT UP IN FRONT OF SPACES? SO I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT WE MIGHT END UP IN THIS SITUATION, PROBABLY HAVING TO EXTEND THE SIDEWALK OUT IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE BALLERS, [00:40:01] UM, THAT COULD AFFECT THE DRIVE LANE IN FRONT. AND IT ENDS UP BEING, UH, UH, A, A LARGE COST AND EXPENSE THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE NECESSITY FOR, UM, AT THIS CENTER. WELL, MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JAYWALK ACROSS THE STREET A THOUSAND TIMES AND NOT GET HURT, BUT THE 1,001 TIMES YOU GET HIT BY A CAR. SO THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S DONE, YOU KNOW, HAPPENED SO FAR IS GREAT. SECONDLY, THE REST OF YOUR CENTER, NO ONE'S FA PARKING IN FACING THE ENTRANCE. ALL THE PARKING IS IN THE LOT AND IT'S PERPENDICULAR TO THE ENTRANCE. IT'S PARALLEL TO THE ENTRANCE IN, IN THIS SHOPPING CENTER. YOU DON'T HAVE A, YOU KNOW, PARK CARS AREN'T PARKING HEADING IN FACING, SO YOUR CONCERNS THE PARKING ON THE SIDE, WELL, THE, THIS IS ON THE SIDE WHERE YOUR ENTRANCE IS. WELL, THERE'S ENTRANCE IN FRONT AND THEN THERE'S A SMALLER ENTRANCE ON THE SIDE. AND, AND THE ONE I'M REALLY FOCUSED ON IS THE SIDE, THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE LOW CURB. MM-HMM . AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU HAVE THE ENTRANCE AND PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING FOR TABLES ARE GOING TO BE STANDING IN THAT AREA. SO GOD FORBID SOMEONE HITS THE GAS PEDAL AND GOES THROUGH THE, THE DOOR OR THAT AREA, IT'S GONNA BE BAD. TWO MONTHS AGO, A ELDERLY GENTLEMAN IN WHITE PLAINS WENT AIRBORNE INTO BUFFALO WILD WINGS AND CITY CENTER. IT HAPPENS. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THE NOTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE ASKED PEOPLE, WE HAVEN'T HAD AN INCIDENT BEFORE, IT DOESN'T HOLD A LOT OF WEIGHT WITH ME. 'CAUSE ALL YOU NEED IS ONE, AND IT'LL BE A DISASTER. UH, SO THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN. AND, AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT CONSIDERING VALET PARKING, IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, I, I'D EVEN BE WILLING TO SAY IF, IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOUR OPTIMISM ABOUT THE PARKING IS TRUE AND WE DON'T NEED, YOU KNOW, A VA VALET TO, TO PREVENT INCIDENTS MM-HMM . I'M FINE MAKING IT A CONDITION THAT UNLESS THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, DECIDES THAT BECAUSE OF CON YOU KNOW, CIRCUMSTANCES THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY NEED ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. I'M HAPPY WITH, YOU KNOW, I, I COULD LIVE WITH THAT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, OKAY, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT UPFRONT, BUT IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THIS THING IS CRAZY, YOU TALK TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND HERE, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR, SINCE 1980, SINCE 1979. YOU TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND, AND IT, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING'S REALLY TIGHT AND THAT'S WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, YOUR SPACE BEING OCCUPIED. AND AS I SAID TO YOU, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, A MORE RECENT, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLE YEAH. WAS DOWN AT MIDWAY, WHICH YOUR COMPETITOR REGENCY OWNS A TOWN VAN WENT PERPENDICULAR INTO THE FRONT OF ALTA AND LOMBARDO'S, WHICH IS BUILDING OUT, AND THAT BOARD IS STILL THERE WHERE THEY BOARDED UP THE FRONT. SO HOW THAT HAPPENED, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THINGS HAPPEN, THEY DO. I MEAN, IN OUR PORTFOLIO, WE DON'T TYPICALLY PUT UP BOLLARDS IN FRONT OF OUR, IN INLINE SPACES OR OUR END CAP SPACES. UM, WE JUST DON'T, IT'S SOMETHING WE, WE'VE GOT CURBS IN FRONT AND UM, NOTHING'S GUARANTEED, BUT WE'RE TRYING NOT TO CREATE A FORTRESS ENVIRONMENT HERE. AND, UM, SO, AND, AND WE DO APPRECIATE AND WANT TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE, WHERE SAFETY IS, IS PARAMOUNT. WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT, UM, SITUATION WHERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A DANGEROUS CONDITION. BUT, UM, AGAIN, WE JUST RIGHT NOW HAVEN'T SEEN THE NECESSITY, UM, FOR, FOR, FOR PUTTING UP, UM, A STRING OF BALLARDS IN FRONT OF THE SPACE. WHAT IF WE PUT, SORRY, WHAT IF WE PUT WHEEL STOPS THAT WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT HIGHEST WHEEL STOP YOU COULD PUT IN FRONT OF THOSE SPOTS. ISN'T THAT GONNA RISK PEOPLE TRIPPING? NO. 'CAUSE THEY PULL UP AND THEY, I MEAN, THERE'S WHEEL STOPS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE THE CONCRETE YEAH. THEY'RE NAILED THEM TO THE GROUND. RIGHT. AND HOW HIGH ARE THEY? SIX, SEVEN INCHES. BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU STEP ON THE GAS INSTEAD OF THE BRAKE. I MEAN, SORRY, STEP, UH, AND DRIVE INSTEAD OF REVERSE LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM . I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP WITH THE, YOU KNOW, LOW CURB SITUATION. WHAT'S THE HIGHEST YOU COULD DO WITH THOSE? AND I NEED TO SEE HOW AND HOW DO, AND HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE THEY'RE I VISIBLE TO, TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, RUSHING AROUND AND THEY DON'T, SO THEY DON'T TRIP OVER THAT. I MEAN, THAT THAT'S PAINT 'EM YELLOW AND JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE 'EM AS HIGH VIS AS POSSIBLE FOR, FOR PEOPLE. MM-HMM . I MEAN, TYPICALLY YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, DRIVING UP AND STOPPING YOUR CAR. SO, AND I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF [00:45:01] SIDEWALK ACCESS, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, I FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT BE HARD TO TRIP OVER, BUT, YOU KNOW. YEAH. I I THINK YELLOW WHEEL STOPS WOULD, WOULD BE GREAT, UM, TO COME TO COME AT THE, THE, THE VALLEY PARKING QUESTION FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE. YEAH. UM, SO JOHN CANNING IN HIS ORIGINAL TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, RECOMMENDED A, A PHASED OPENING. UM, AND I'D, I'D LOVE TO HEAR, I, I KNOW MR. CANNING IS UNFORTUNATELY NOT HERE THIS EVENING, BUT HIS ASSOCIATES ARE, UM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM, FROM SOMEONE FROM JOHN CANNINGS GROUP, UH, TO OPINE ON IF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS FIRST CONDUCTED WHEN THE SEATING WAS A LITTLE BIT LARGER AND THE PARKING REDUCTION WAS A LITTLE BIT GREATER. UM, I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM, FROM JOHN CANNINGS GROUP IF, UM, THEY FEEL A, A PHASED OPENING WOULD BE HELPFUL OR OR NECESSARY BASED ON THE CURRENT REDUCTION OF 90 PARKING SPACES AND THE CURRENT SEATING OCCUPANCY OF, I THINK WE'RE AT FOUR 13 NOW. 4 0 7, WE FOUR SEVEN. 4 0 7. SO 4 0 7. UM, IS SOMEONE FROM JOHN CANNINGS GROUP HERE ON THE LINE? HELLO? YES. UH, I'M, I ALSO REVIEW THIS PROJECT. SO BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION BEFORE THIS MEETING STARTED, UH, HE TOLD ME THAT, UH, HE'S STILL CONCERNED WITH THE PARKING FOR THE FIRST FEW MONTHS AFTER THE RESTAURANT OPENS. AND WE MIGHT SUGGEST SUPPORT THAT REQUIRE THE PREPARATION OF PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE OPENING PERIOD PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE BILLING MODIFICATION PERMIT SINCE THEY HAVE NOT REDUCED THE SEATS, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY. ALRIGHT. SO JUST, JUST TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I, WHAT I THINK I'VE HEARD YOU SAY, UM, YOU WOULD STILL RECOMMEND A, A PARKING OPENING PLAN, UH, BASED ON THE CURRENT SEATING OF 4 0 7 AND THE PARKING REDUCTION OF, OF 90 SPOTS. UM, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT THAT PARKING OPENING PLAN RUN FOR, I KNOW THIS BOARD IN THE PAST HAS DONE SIX MONTHS. IS THAT, UH, A TIME PERIOD YOU WOULD RECOMMEND OR MORE OR LESS? UM, SIX MONTHS SHOULD BE FINE. OKAY. UM, IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD, WOULD BE OPEN TO? SURE. LEMME MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN. SURE. THIS WOULD BE FOR US TO IMPLEMENT A PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN SIX MONTHS. SO, SO, SO I THINK, AND, AND I'LL, I'LL LET STAFF JUMP IN MM-HMM . UM, BUT I THINK THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO HAVE A PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR, FOR SIX MONTHS AND THEN AT THE IN PLACE FOR SIX MONTHS IN PLACE FOR SIX MONTHS. AND THEN WHAT WE'VE DONE, I THINK IT WAS BRIGHTVIEW, UM, THE, THE CHILD DAYCARE CARE CENTER ON CENTRAL AVENUE, THEY CAME BACK TO US AFTER SIX MONTHS. UM, AND THERE WAS A, ANOTHER TRAFFIC STUDY BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, DETERMINING IF THE, THE, THE PARKING PLAN IS, IS WORKING AS IS, UM, OR IF, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF OUR CALCULATIONS WERE TERRIBLY WRONG AND WE SORT OF NEED TO COME BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND, AND DISCUSS. SO THAT'S KIND OF A COMBINATION OF TWO PRIOR APPLICATIONS. RIGHT. SO LIGHTBRIDGE, IT WAS GATHERING DATA FOR SIX MONTHS WITH A, UH, LESSER OCCUPANCY, AND THEN THEY INCREASED THE OCCUPANCY VERSUS CHICK-FIL-A WHERE THEY HAD A GRAND OPENING PLAN TO MANAGE TRAFFIC ASSOCIATED WITH LIKE HIGH VOLUME USE IN THE BEGINNING. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING IS KIND OF A HYBRID OF THE TWO, BUT, UM, I THINK SO, SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THE IDEA IS TO, ONE, HAVE A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, UH, PLAN IN PLACE FOR THAT INITIAL OPENING AND TO KIND OF, UH, ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC, BUT ALSO TO GATHER DATA THAT CAN BE REVIEWED BY THIS BOARD OVER A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS SO THAT WHEN YOU COME BACK AT SIX MONTHS, WE CAN, UM, THE BOARD CAN LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE OR ANY CONDITIONS OR ANY, UH, UH, IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE LOT THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO ON THAT PART, IT WON'T BE A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, IT WOULD BE MORE, UH, RELATED TO THE PARKING MANAGEMENT, WHETHER THEY HAVE ENOUGH SPACES, WHETHER THEY ARE TIED, WHETHER IT'S OVERFLOWED TOWARDS DIFFERENT TENANTS, UH, AND OR TO THE NEIGHBORING TENANTS. IT WOULD BE MORE FOCUSED ON THAT AND WON'T BE FOCUSING MORE ON THE TRAFFIC PARKING. AND I GUESS IF AFTER SIX MONTHS WE FIND THAT THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN IS NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE THINGS ARE RUNNING SMOOTHLY, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE THAT CAN ALSO BE, I GUESS, REMOVED. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. AND CONVERSELY, IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE COME BACK TO THE BOARD TO DISCUSS FURTHER MITIGATIONS TO AND WHO'S [00:50:01] ENSURE THE SITE'S FUNCTIONAL AND WHO MAKES THAT DETERMINATION THAT IT'S GONNA, IT'S NOT WORKING, IT'LL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD IN SIX MONTHS. I, WE, AS THE BOARD NO, NO. WHO, WHO DECIDES THAT IT'S COMING BACK TO THE BOARD? WHO, WHO DECIDES THAT? SO IT WOULD, THE MANAGEMENT PLAN IS NOT, IS NOT WORKING. IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD EITHER WAY. RIGHT? YEAH. SO YOU WOULD, YOU'D GATHER THE, THE DATA OF, OF IS THE PLAN WORKING FOR THE SIX MONTHS AND THEY WOULD PRESENT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SOME CONCERNS OR THESE ARE SOME RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES. UM, HERE'S THE DATA. AND SO, AND JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THIS, THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WRITE UP AND IMPLEMENT FOR SIX MONTHS. UM, IT WOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING IN THE WAY OF, UM, VALET PARKING TO, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S IN THE PARKING MANAGEMENT PLAN. I WOULD LET JOHN CANNING, UM, TAR SPEAK TO THAT AS FAR AS WHAT THE, I NEED TO, I NEED TO TALK WITH THE MR. HANDING ABOUT THAT AND WE'LL SEND OUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE REVIEWING DURING THIS SIX MONTH PERIOD. OKAY. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, I, MY RECOLLECTION FROM THE PREVIOUS CASES WOULD BE SOME SORT OF PERIODIC, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNTING OF AVAILABLE PARKING SPACES AND OKAY. JUST, JUST SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ASSESSING, ESPECIALLY AS THE GRAND OPENING COMES AND GOES AND, AND THINGS ARE, ARE HOPEFULLY, UM, MORE STABLE, YOU KNOW, ARE ULTIMATELY, IS IS THERE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR, FOR ALL OF THE SPACE OR ALL OF THE USES IN THE, IN THE PROPERTY OR, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IS IT CLOSER TO THE 90% THAT, THAT THE PLAN ORIGINALLY SORT OF PROJECTED? OR IS IT REALLY 80 OR IS IT REALLY 98%? SO IT'S LIKE A STUDY PERIOD. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. AND PERHAPS IF THERE'S PARKING IN THE REAR, MAYBE IT'S DIRECTING PEOPLE TO PARKING IN THE REAR, IF THAT'S AVAILABLE. IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, SURE. IT'S SEEING WHAT REALTIME CONDITIONS REQUIRE. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. OKAY. GREAT. AND, AND THEN THE, I ASK A, A QUICK QUESTION. UM, OKAY. THE PARKING MANAGEMENT STUDY IS, I MEAN, FROM, FROM US AS AN OPERATOR IS FINE, RIGHT? UM, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR THAT WE AS A RESTAURANT OPERATOR IN NO WAY AGREE TO SHUTTING DOWN PORTIONS OF OUR RESTAURANT TO CUSTOMERS. THAT'S NOT RIGHT. I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT ALL. SO I THINK YOU'RE MISCONSTRUING WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WELL IN, IN ONE OF THE WORKING SESSIONS. IT WAS, SO I WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT, UH, THAT THAT PART OF A PAST SUGGESTION, UH, WAS NOT INCLUDED. COUNCIL, I THINK THAT'S SIX MONTHS IS WE BE HAPPY TO COME BACK AND CONDUCT A FOLLOW UP STUDY TO SEE HOW, HOW IT'S GOING. OKAY. AND REPORT BACK. OKAY. ARE THERE, SO IS THAT, JUST SO I'M CLEAR THAT WILL THAT BE CONDITION OF ANY APPROVAL? YES. SO IT WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT, UH, WITHIN AT SIX MONTHS THE APPLICANT COMES BACK TO US WITH A PARKING STUDY, UH, INDICATING HOW PARKING HAS BEEN, IF THERE'S BEEN ANY INCIDENTS, ACCIDENTS, YOU KNOW, POLICE REPORTS OF ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, ANY ISSUES AT THE SITE, UH, FOR THE BOARD'S REVIEW. ALRIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE THOSE CRITERIA IN THE CONDITION. SO SMORE KNOWS WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR PLAN HAS TO BE AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT. OF COURSE. YEAH. AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE JOHN CANNING AND STAFF AND THE APPLICANT CAN ALL COORDINATE ON, UH, SPECIFICALLY WHAT, WHAT THAT CRITERIA WOULD BE. I THINK THAT'S ACCEPTABLE AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. ALLOW US TO, UH, ASSESS THE SITUATION, COME BACK AND OUR, OUR HOPE IS THE MASSIVELY UNDERUTILIZED PARKING LOT TO THE LEFT. THEIR WILL SUFFICE, AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THIS WILL ALL WORK OUT AND HAPPY TO REPORT BACK IN SIX MONTHS. GREAT. WHO, WHO MANAGES THE DAILY, UH, DATA, UH, GATHERING? WELL, I THINK WE WOULD DO PERIODIC REPORTS LIKE MAYBE, AND THIS WILL BE FLESHED OUT WHEN WE TALK WITH JOHN, THERE WILL BE SOME SET TIMES THAT WE GO BACK AND REPORT. IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ONGOING THING. OKAY. IT'S GONNA BE CHECKING IN AND SEEING ON THIS DATE, AT THIS TIME, WHAT WAS PARKING UTILIZATION? WAS IT AT 98% OR, YOU KNOW, WAS THE, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I'M SURE IT'S, IT'S RANDOM. IT'S RANDOM. WELL, IT WOULD BE AT TIMES THAT ARE AGREED TO WITH THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT FROM THE TOWN. IT'S USUALLY PEAK TIMES LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT US TO COUNT SUNDAY MORNING AT NINE 30. THEY'LL PROBABLY WANT US TO HIT SATURDAY AND FRIDAY IN THE PEAK HOURS WHEN THE STUDY SHOWED THAT, UM, WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE AT PEAK UTILIZATION. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S WHEN EVERYBODY'S MOST CONCERNED ABOUT ARE THOSE, [00:55:01] THOSE FRIDAY AND SATURDAY EVENINGS. RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. THERE THERE'S NO HAPPY HOUR. RIGHT. , ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THEN, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, BASED ON, BASED ON THE DATA AFTER SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, THEN YOU KNOW, IF EVERYTHING'S GOING WELL, GREAT. AND, AND IF THERE ARE CONCERNS, AND AT THAT POINT WE CAN DISCUSS VALET PARKING OR POTENTIAL OTHER, OTHER MITIGATION EFFORTS, PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. JOHN, UH, WHEN YOU OPEN UP ONE OF YOUR RESTAURANTS, KIND OF WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? DO YOU EXPERIENCE A HIGH DEGREE OF DEMAND? DO YOU HAVE LIKE A GRAND OPENING PLAN? DO YOU HAVE A GRAND OPENING TEAM? LIKE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UH, SO WE, UH, WE DO A, ABOUT A SEVEN DAY SOFT OPEN TO ASCERTAIN JUST THE WORD OF MOUTH, UH, NO ADVERTISING, NO, UH, OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, JUST AN ANNOUNCEMENT AIN'T NOW OPEN. UH, AND THEN WE DO USUALLY ABOUT, AFTER THAT SEVEN DAYS, SEVEN TO 10 DAYS, DEPENDING ON HOW IT FALLS IN THE CALENDAR, WE HAVE A GRAND OPENING AND KIND OF A, A HOOPLA PARTY. RIGHT. A, WE, WE ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY CUT RIBBONS, UH, AT, AT JEN TO, UH, TO INTRODUCE A NEW LOCATION DURING OUR GRAND OPENINGS. UM, AND YES, WE DO HAVE A DEDICATED TEAM OF, UH, OF, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED HIGH PERFORMING, UM, STAFF AND EMPLOYEES AND ASSOCIATES THAT, UH, OPERATE THE RESTAURANT GENERALLY FOR AT LEAST THE FIRST MONTH TO 45 DAYS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING RUNS SMOOTHLY AND THEN IT GETS THOSE FOLKS SLOWLY, UM, GO BACK TO, TO THEIR MARKETS THAT THEY'RE FROM. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? MM-HMM . YEAH. AND WE, AND WE HAVE A CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THAT WOULD LOVE TO BE, UH, A PART OF A PART OF THE GRAND OPENING AND THE RIBBON CUTTING . UM, ALRIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO. NO? NO. ALRIGHT. UM, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH APRIL 8TH. SO, MOVED, MOVED. MR. PILLINGER, I THINK MR. BODEN WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT. HE HAD RAISED HIS HAND BEFORE BUT HE JUST WALKED OUT SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE LEFT. NO, I THINK HE SAID, I THINK HE SAID NO. I THINK HE WAIVED ME OFF. OH, OKAY. NO PROBLEM. YEAH, I WAS FULLY EXPECTING, BUT YEAH, I THINK HE WAIVED ME OFF. UM, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO MR. BOWDEN IF HE HAS A COMMENT HE CAN SUBMIT, UH, A WRITTEN COMMENT. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH APRIL 8TH. UH, MOVE MR. PILLINGER, UH, SECONDED. SECOND. MS. ANDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, SESSION PORTION OF THIS MEETING. SO MOVED. MOVED. MS. ROBINSON. SECOND. SECOND. MR. PATEL. WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BOTH ALTERNATES. THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK. OH, . UM, MOVE, MOVE. MS. UH, MS. ROBINSON. SECOND. SECOND. MR. PILLINGER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR BOATS? AYE. OOPS. UM, DO WE WANNA TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTES? FIVE, FIVE MINUTES. IT'S EIGHT 14. UH, WE'LL COME BACK AT EIGHT 20. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK. UH, IT IS STILL MONDAY, MARCH 30TH, , UH, AND THIS IS STILL THE PLANNING BOARD. UH, IT IS 8:20 PM UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE, UH, AN OLD BUSINESS WORK SESSION. CASE NUMBER PD 25 0 3, UH, TB 25 0 3 PB 25 36 1 LAWRENCE PARK, ARDSLEY, LLC. UM, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A TOWN BOARD SITE PLAN, WHICH HAS BEEN REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, FOR, FOR RECOMMENDATION, A TOWN BOARD T REMOVAL PERMIT, A ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS SPECIAL USE PERMIT, A PLANNING BOARD'S DEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND A PLANNING BOARD WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT. UH, GOOD EVENING. UH, GOOD EVENING CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND STAFF. MY NAME IS JACOB AMIR FROM ZAN STEIN. UH, PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT BEFORE YOUR BOARD WITH MARK PETRO FROM GMC AND THE OWNERSHIP TEAM, UH, SITTING IN THE ROOM. UM, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE. THIS BOARD, I'M SURE IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT AND, AND THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS BACK IN FORTH IN THE LAST WEEK OR TWO, WHICH HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL FROM THE BOARD AND STAFF, WHICH WE'VE, I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF, MOST OF, MOST OF THEM. MARK CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD HAS. I JUST WANNA PUT INTO A LITTLE BIT OF PERSPECTIVE WHERE, WHERE, WHERE WE, WHERE WE STARTED AND WHERE WE STARTED WAS BACK IN JANUARY OR SO OF LAST YEAR ON THE APPLICATION ORIGINALLY TO THE TOWN BOARD BEFORE IT CAME TO YOUR [01:00:01] BOARD FOR REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION. IN OTHER WORDS. SO THE APPLICANT TEAM, AND I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN ITERATIONS OF THE PROJECT, IT'S BEEN MODIFIED, IT'S EVOLVED, UM, BUT IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR, YEAR AND A IN A FEW MONTHS. SO AFTER WE HAVE, UM, AFTER WE ANSWER WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOUR BOARD MAY HAVE TONIGHT, WE WOULD ASK THAT THIS BOARD MOVE TO A REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION. AND JUST TO REMIND THIS BOARD RESPECTFULLY, IT IS STILL FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO DETERMINE SECRET. SO A LOT OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUESTIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THIS BOARD AND THEY SHOULD BE ANSWERED AND WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO NO DOUBT BE ASKED BY THE TOWN BOARD. AND THE TOWN BOARD IS GONNA DETERMINE SECRET. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT SHOULD HAPPEN. UM, I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH EVERYTHING WE'VE RESPONDED TO. I WILL JUST CUT TO THE CHASE AND ASK IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF ME OR ANY QUESTIONS OF MARK SPECIFICALLY THAT, THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET. UM, WELL, SO, SO I, I THINK THE MOST RECENT COMMUNICATION WE RECEIVED WAS THE MEMO DATED MARCH 24TH. UM, IF YOU CAN JUST BRIEFLY WALK US THROUGH THIS MEMO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS A, AS A STARTING POINT. SURE. SO I THINK IN OUR MARCH 24, EXCUSE ME LETTER RESPONSE TO YOUR BOARD, WE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE POINTS, UM, MOST SALIENT OF WHICH IS THAT, UM, THERE IS THE FLASHING PEDESTRIAN SIGN WHICH WE PLACED ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, OF THE ENTRANCE EXIT TO, TO THE SITE TO NOTIFY PA UH, PEDESTRIANS OF, OF TRUCKS COMING, COMING OUT. AND, AND I THINK WHERE WE LEFT THAT WAS THAT A, THAT A REQUEST WAS GONNA BE MADE TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE, UM, IF THAT WAS PERMITTED. HAS THAT REQUEST BEEN MADE YET? I THINK THAT REQUEST WAS MADE. MARK DO WE KNOW IF THEY GOT BACK TO US? SO THE REQUEST WAS SENT OVER TO TOWN STAFF AND I BELIEVE THAT STUFF WAS FORWARDED AROUND TO BUILDING, UH, DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR REVIEW. SO THE NEXT DAY AFTER OUR MEETING, WE PROVIDED THE TOWN WITH ALL THE NECESSARY ITEMS ON THAT ASPECT OF IT. OKAY. HAS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CONFIRMED THEY'VE RECEIVED IT YET? WELL, I WASN'T COPIED ON THOSE MATERIALS, SO I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO MATT. I BELIEVE AARON RESPONDED TO ME SAYING THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THESE, UH, WHEN I SENT IT TO HIM. UH, AND I KNOW JOHN, I GUESS WAS IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE REVIEW INTERNAL TO THE TOWN. 'CAUSE HE MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF INTERNAL DISCUSSION GOING ON WITH IT. SO IT HAS BEEN CIRCULATING AROUND THROUGH THE TOWN. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. UM, ALRIGHT. THE PERMIT FOR DISCHARGE. YEAH. SO THE, THAT ASPECT OF IT, I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THESE COMMENTS CAME UP DURING THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING. SORRY, MARK PETRO FROM JMC, UH, FOR THE RECORD, UH, PROJECT ENGINEERS ON, UH, THE PROJECT HERE. UM, SO THE, UH, THE DISCHARGE, UH, THAT WE HAVE DESIGNED ON OUR STORMWATER DESIGN THAT'S PROPOSED WOULD BE PART OF THE REVIEW BY THE TOWN AND ITS STORMWATER PERMIT PROCESS AS WELL AS THE STATE'S SPEEDIES PERMIT PROCESS. SO THAT DISCHARGE REVIEW WILL BE REVIEWED UNDER THOSE PROCESSES, UM, AND THAT PERMIT. OKAY. HAS A SW BEEN, UH, HASN'T BEEN FILED YET. IT'S BEING WORKED ON AND PROGRESSED, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED YET TO OKAY. IS THERE A TIMELINE FOR WHEN THAT'LL BE SUBMITTED AT THIS POINT? NOT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE TO GIVE YOU AT THIS POINT. SO PART OF THE, UH, SITE PLAN REVIEW STANDARDS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS ASKED TO RECOMMEND, UH, TO THE TOWN BOARD ON RELATES TO TRO MAR MANAGEMENT AND SWIP PREPARATION. HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE THE PLANNING BOARD REVIEW THAT AND RECOMMEND TO THE TOWN BOARD WITHOUT A SWIP? WE'RE COMING BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD AS PART OF THE OTHER PERMITS THAT WE'RE SEEKING AS WELL, OF COURSE, BUT THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR THE SEEKER STANDPOINT. WELL, FROM THE SITE PLAN, NO, FROM THE SITE PLAN STANDPOINT AND AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN CRITERIA, STORM WATER IS A PART OF THAT. AND SO A SWIP HELPS THE PLANNING BOARD IDENTIFY WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE PLAN THAT IT WILL CONSIDER WHEN MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD. SO HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE THE PLANNING BOARD ADDRESS THAT SITE PLAN REQUIREMENT IN ITS RECOMMENDATION? I'LL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONE. OKAY. UM, FLOOD PLAIN PERMIT THAT'S BEING SOLD WITH THIS APPLICATION. OKAY. UH, FLOOD HISTORY. THE APPLICANT IS NOT AWARE OF ANY HI HISTORY OF FLOODING ON THE PROPERTY. UM, AND I CAN THAT UP BE WAY AWARE. I CAN ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT. I DID ASK, UH, OUR TOWN ENGINEER AND ALSO A CONTACT WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY, UH, IF THEY HAD ANY REPORTS OR ANECDOTAL KNOWLEDGE OF ANY FLOODING. UH, THE RESPONSE I HAD GOTTEN WAS THAT THEY DON'T KEEP TRACK OF THAT, BUT THEY, IT, THE AREA IS IN A FLOODPLAIN, [01:05:01] SO THEY DO BELIEVE IT DOES FLOOD, UH, WHEN THERE'S A SUFFICIENTLY STRONG STORM BO BOTH, BOTH EAST AND WEST ON THE, SOME RIVER ROAD AND TOWARDS, YES. SOME RIVER PARKWAY. YES. AND ON THE SOUTH COUNTY TRAILWAY. OKAY. UH, THE CAP ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THERE IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS. UH, HE WAS PART OF THE INSTALLATION OF THE CAP, UH, PROCESS AND WAS STATED THAT THAT CAP IS A PERVIOUS MATERIAL. OKAY. UH, THE FEAF THAT WAS, UH, PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED, UM, AS PART OF OUR, UH, AN EARLIER SUBMISSION. UH, BUT WE CAN RE PROVIDE THAT AS WELL. ALRIGHT. UH, I, I DID SEE THAT THERE WAS A, AN ATTACHED, UH, MAINTENANCE CHECKLIST FOR THE PERVIOUS ASPHALT. CORRECT. COULD YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH THAT BRIEFLY? YEAH, SO THE, THE PAYMENT SECTION THAT WAS INCLUDED IS ABOUT, UH, WELL, SORRY, THE SECTION ITSELF IS ABOUT 20 INCHES THICK, UH, WITH VARIOUS STONES AND, UH, THE POROUS ASPHALT MATERIAL, UH, TO FILTER OUT AND INFILTRATE, UH, STORMWATER ASPECTS OF IT. YES. THERE WE DID INCLUDE ALSO THE MAINTENANCE CHECKLIST, WHICH DID HAVE, UH, AT VARIOUS TIMES WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND REVIEW THOSE, THOSE ASPHALT PAYMENT CONDITIONS. UM, THERE'S A, A MONTHLY, A QUARTERLY AND AN HOUR ANNUALLY, UH, REVIEW OF THE, OF THE PAVEMENT CONDITION, UM, AS WELL AS MAINTENANCE FOR VACUUMING AND STUFF IF NEEDED. OKAY. UM, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SIDEWALK UP TO THE BRIDGE, AND, AND I THINK THIS, THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN THERE, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A DISCONNECT BETWEEN, BETWEEN MR. CANNING, UM, IN, IN NOT REALIZING THAT, THAT THE PROPERTY'S FRONTAGE GOES ALL THE WAY FROM FROM CORNER TO CORNER. UM, BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, THE INTENTION WOULD BE TO IMPROVE THE, IMPROVE ANY ASPHALT SIDEWALK TO A STANDARD A DA, UH, CONCRETE SIDEWALK AND, AND ANY, ANY REPAIR THAT NEEDS TO BE CONDUCTED ON ANY OF THE EXISTING CONCRETE SIDEWALK WOULD BE DONE FROM, FROM CORNER TO CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. SO SPECIFICALLY ALONG ALONG LAUREN STREET, SO SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE HAD A OFF, UH, UH, OFFLINE MEETING WITH JOHN, UH, HE HAD MENTIONED, UH, THERE'S A, UH, BY THE BRIDGE, UH, CLOSER TO THE NINE A ON THE LAUREN STREET, UH, BRIDGE OVER THERE, IT'S A CULVERT TECHNICALLY. UM, THERE'S A, UH, A SMALL PIECE OF ASPHALT. IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT'S A RAMPING CONDITION YEAH. TO, TO FIX THAT CONDITION. HE, HE WAS CONCERNED THAT OUR SIDEWALK THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS NOT TAKING CARE OF THAT EXISTING CONDITION. SO WE SHOWED BASED ON AN AREA OVERLAY THAT WHAT WE HAD PROPOSED AS FAR AS OUR LIMIT FOR A SIDEWALK IS TAKING CARE OF THAT CONDITION. SO IT MEETS WHERE THAT EXISTING CULVERT, UH, CONCRETE SIDEWALK IS THERE. SO. GREAT. SO ALL THE ASPHALT SIDEWALK WILL BE IMPROVED TO YEAH. TO ACCOMPLISH. YEAH. I THINK ACTUALLY IT'S A SMALL PIECE OF ASPHALT WITH THE MEETING CONCRETE, BUT CONCRETE. YEAH. SO I THINK THERE'S ASPHALT SIDEWALK, THEN THERE'S CONCRETE, THEN A LITTLE BIT OF ASPHALT AND THEN MORE CONCRETE. AND THEN, SO WE'RE GOING FROM THAT LOCATION BY THE CULVERT ALL THE WAY TO THE DRIVEWAY, GETTING RID OF ALL WHATEVER'S THERE EXISTING AND PUTTING IN CONCRETE, UH, SIDEWALK. GREAT. UM, THE LEFT TURN OUT OF THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY, SO THAT WAS A COMMENT FROM JOHN. I KNOW HE HAD MENTIONED IT. UM, JUST WE ARE NOT PROPOSING A RESTRICTION FOR LEFT TURNS OUTTA THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY. WE ARE RESTRICTING LEFT TURNS IN AT THE WEST AT THE WESTERN DRIVEWAY. UM, JUST, THERE'S, THERE'S A POTENTIAL ISSUE WITH JUST, IF THERE'S A TRUCK COMES IN THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S, AND CAN'T GET OUT TO TURN LEFT THAT WAY. 'CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD GO. 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE GOING TOWARDS THE PARKWAY. RIGHT. UM, THERE'S NO INTERNAL WAY TO BASICALLY HAVE THEM DO A U-TURN AND GO OUT THE OTHER DRIVEWAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR CONCERN WITH THAT. AND WE DON'T FEEL THAT, THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, READY TO RESTRICT LEFTS OUT OF THAT DRIVEWAY. OKAY. AND, AND I THINK ON ONE OF THE EARLIER EARLIER PLAN SUBMISSIONS, IT, IT SHOWED A LEFT TURN OUTTA THE DRIVEWAY AND, AND IT IT SHOWED THAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS CLEARANCE FOR THAT. YES. YEP. AND IT'S ON OUR TRUCK TURNINGS AS FAR AS THAT ASPECT. YES. OKAY. UM, SO I DID, UM, GET AN EMAIL FORWARDED. I REACHED OUT AND, UM, THE TRAFFIC SERGEANT FOR THE TOWN HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE FLASHING, UH, PEDESTRIAN SIGNAGE. UM, I FORWARDED THAT TO CDC WHO CAN FORWARD IT TO YOU. THERE'S SOME, SOME POINTS OF CONCERN. UM, HE, HE INDICATES THAT IT'S CON LIKE KIND OF THE OPPOSITE OF GENERALLY WHAT YOU HAVE WHERE, WHERE PEDESTRIANS ARE RESPONDING TO VEHICLE WARNINGS RATHER THAN THE MOTORIST RESPONSE, LIKE TAKING THE RESPONSE. UM, SO SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE, IS THERE GONNA BE A FORMAL PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT EACH ACCESS POINT, UM, ASKING ABOUT SITE [01:10:01] DISTANCE LIGHTING. SO, SO I WILL FORWARD THAT OVER TO JUST FOR REVIEW. OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY, THE SITE DISTANCE FIGURE. UM, SO WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT THERE AND DID FIELD MEASUREMENTS OUT THERE. WE PROVIDED A SITE DISTANCE FIGURE IN OUR SUBMISSION. UM, WELL ACTUALLY, UM, THE Z DIVE SUBMISSION THAT WENT TO THE TOWN. SO, UH, BASED ON THE FIELD MEASUREMENTS THAT WERE DONE OUT THERE, WE WERE ABLE TO MEASURE 400 FEET OF AVAILABLE SITE DISTANCE AT THE TIME. AND, UH, WE SHOWED THOSE LINES ON THAT FIGURE. AND WHAT WE SHOWED ALSO IS THAT THE, UH, STOPPING SITE DISTANCE FOR SOMEONE TRAVELING AT 40 MILES AN HOUR, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE POSTED SPEED THERE, BUT, UH, SOMEONE TRAVELING AT 40 MILES AN HOUR, THE STOPPING SITE DISTANCE IS 305 FEET. SO WE CAN FULLY ACCOMMODATE THE STOPPING SITE DISTANCES OF A VEHICLE THAT WOULD BE TRAVELING AT 40 MILES AN HOUR IN THAT LOCATION THERE. SO, UM, I KNOW JOHN'S NOT ON, BUT, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE SATISFYING HIS COMMENTS ON THAT. WOULD, UM, WOULD THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM JOHN CANNINGS GROUP, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT OR DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SURE. UM, HI, MY NAME IS THOMAS S AND I'M A, UH, EIT UNDER JOHN CANNING. UM, JOHN AND I TALKED BRIEFLY, UH, BEFORE THIS MEETING AND HE JUST HAS THREE, UH, COMMENTS TO FOLLOW UP ON. UM, THE FIRST ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF OF, UM, BASED OFF OF THE TRUCK TURNING TEMPLATES, I THINK IT WAS ON DRAWING C UH, THREE 10. IT SEEMS THAT TRACKER TRAILER IS MAKING A RIGHT TURN ONTO LAWRENCE STREET. NEED TO CROSS INTO THE NORTHBOUND ROUTE NINE A, UH, LANE TO MAKE THAT TURN. AND I THINK AS YOU GUYS SAID, UM, YOU GUYS, THE APPLICANT HAS MEASURED THAT MOST VEHICLES, THE 85TH PERCENTILE OF VEHICLES ARE, ARE TRAVELING AT 38 MILES PER HOUR. AND JOHN CANNING CALCULATED THAT THE STOPPING SITE DISTANCE FOR THAT IS ABOUT 280 FEET. UM, THERE ISN'T A STANDARD FOR RIGHT TURNS OFF OF A STATE HIGHWAY GENERALLY BECAUSE THAT MOVEMENT IS CONSIDERED LIKE FREE AND YOU'RE MOST OF THE TIME ABLE TO JUST MAKE THEM WITHOUT ISSUE. UM, BUT A MINIMUM STANDARD WOULD KIND OF BE SET BY THE LEFT TURNING TRUCK. SO A TRUCK TURNING LEFT, UH, FROM THE STATE HIGHWAY ONTO FLORENCE STREET. THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE ALTERNATIVE THAT, UH, JOHN KIND OF LOOKED AT BECAUSE THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR A RIGHT TURNING, UH, VEHICLE OFF OF THE STATE HIGHWAY. UM, AND HE FOUND THAT TO BE ABOUT 420 FEET. AND SO IF THE APPLICANT FOUND THAT ABOUT 400 FEET OF SITE DISTANCE IS AVAILABLE, UH, DURING THE SPRING, UH, CURRENTLY AVAILABLE WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, SPRING SUMMER FOLIAGE, UH, JOHN CANNING RECOMMENDED THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THE APPLICANT COULD DEMONSTRATE THAT 400 FEET OF SIGHT DISTANCE IS, UH, STILL PROVIDED EVEN DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, UH, THAT IS HIS RECOMMENDATION ON THAT SPECIFIC TOPIC. I WOULD, UH, TEND TO DISAGREE THAT THE STOPPING SIDE DISTANCE WOULD BE DICTATING THAT NOT LEFT TURN, UH, INTERSECTION SIDE DISTANCE. WHY IS THE RIGHT TURN NOT A CONCERN? IS THAT A QUESTION FOR YEAH, FOR MR. ZOW? YEAH, MRS. ZOW. UM, BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE FOR A TYPICAL VEHICLE, WHEN YOU ARE TURNING RIGHT INTO A SIDE STREET, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK DOWN THE ROAD, UH, TO ESSENTIALLY SEE IF THERE IS UNCOMMON TRAFFIC. YOU JUST TYPICALLY JUST MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR RIGHT OF WAY TO GO. BUT IF YOU'RE MAKING A LEFT TURN, YOU HAVE TO LOOK DOWN FOR ONCOMING TRAFFIC AND SEE THAT THEY ARE APPROACHING, WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE FOR LEFT TURNING VEHICLES. UH, BUT THERE, THERE IS A SIGHT DISTANCE FOR LEFT TURNING VEHICLES, BUT THERE IS NOT ONE FOR RIGHT. TURNING VEHICLES, BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING IN THE OTHER LANE WHEN YOU MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN WITH THE, WITH THE TRUCK. SO I CAN PROVIDE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE CLARITY TO THAT. SO WHAT HE'S SAYING IS WHEN YOU MAKE A RIGHT TURN, UH, FROM A ROADWAY, YOU'RE TYPICALLY NOT LOOKING IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR LEFT SIDE TO SEE IF ANYONE'S COMING FROM THE LEFT WHEN YOU'RE ABOUT TO MAKE THE RIGHT. SO IN THIS CONDITION THAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, THAT REALLY DOESN'T APPLY 'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD AT A CAR COMING TOWARDS YOU, BUT SOMEONE'S [01:15:01] COMING. NO ONE'S COMING FROM THE LEFT ESSENTIALLY IN THIS CONDITION. 'CAUSE YOU'D BE MAKING A RIGHT TURN FROM ROUTE NINE A SOUTH TO GET ONTO LAUREN STREET FOR THE TRUCK. BUT AREN'T YOU, AREN'T YOU GONNA BE CROSSING THE OPPOSITE LANE WHEN YOU MAKE THAT TURN? WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STOPPING. AND EVEN ON LAWRENCE, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE STOPPING SITE DISTANCE AND THE STOPPING SITE DISTANCE, HOW THAT'S DICTATED IS IF, UH, ACTUALLY IS LOOKING AT AN OBJECT ALONG YOUR TRAVEL PATH THAT'S TWO FEET IN HEIGHT OR MORE, UM, THAT'S THE TIME IT TAKES FOR YOU TO NOTICE AND COME TO A STOP BEFORE HITTING IT. SO THAT'S THAT CONDITION THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN THIS, IN THIS INSTANCE. YEAH, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS BECAUSE MY CONCERN WOULD BE A TRUCK MAKING A RIGHT OFF OF ROUTE NINE A ONTO LAWRENCE AND ON LAWRENCE THAT STOP SIGN FOR VEHICLES TO STOP TO MAKE THEIR TURN ONTO NINE A IS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAR ENOUGH. WHEN THE TRUCK COMES AROUND FOR THE SWEEP SWEEPS, UH, WE SHOW IT ON OUR PLANS AS FAR AS THAT SWEEP. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THAT THAT'S SET BACK IS TO ALLOW THE, THE VEHICLES TO MAKE THAT MOVEMENT. I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THERE WAS SIDEWALK THAT WAS RECENTLY ADDED AROUND THOSE CORNERS THAT, THAT FURTHER PUSHED THOSE MANEUVERS OF TRUCKS TO MAKE THOSE TURNS A LITTLE WIDER AND STUFF. AND THERE'S ALSO PEDESTRIANS WALKING ON THAT BECAUSE THEY COME OFF THE BUS. YEP. 'CAUSE THEY'RE BUS STOP RIGHT THERE. SO THAT'S, AND WE'RE PROVIDING SIDEWALK ALONG OUR FRONTAGE FOR THEM TO USE. UM, MAYBE I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, UH, EXACTLY, BUT, UH, AFTER, UH, MR. XO SAID, UM, THAT JOHN KENNEY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SITE DISTANCE PROVIDED IN THE SUMMER, YOU STATED THAT YOU DISAGREED WITH THAT. SO HE'S LOOKING AT A LONGER SITE DISTANCE THAN, THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I BELIEVE HE SAID. UH, DO YOU STILL PROVIDE THE 400 FEET OF SITE DISTANCE IN THE SUMMER WITH THE FOLIAGE WE GOT, WE WERE ABLE TO MEASURE 405 FEET RIGHT NOW WITH THE CURRENT CONDITION THAT'S OUT THERE. SO WHAT JOHN'S SAYING IS WE, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM WE ARE ABLE TO GET RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THE FOLIAGE. HOWEVER, FOR A CAR TRAVELING 40 MILES AN HOUR, WE DON'T NEED 4,400 FEET. WE NEED 3, 305 FEET. UM, WHICH IS LESS THAN WHAT'S WE HAVE PROVIDED, BUT ALSO DOES NOT A CAR FOR ANYTHING REALLY. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN STOPPING SITE DISTANCE FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF VEHICLES. THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE TRACTOR TRAILERS, WHICH THERE'S NO FACTOR THAT CHANGES THAT, BUT BASICALLY THE, THE INTENTION IS, IS THAT YOU'RE HIGHER UP IN A TRACTOR TRAILER SO YOU CAN SEE FURTHER AND IT, AND IT ALLOWS YOU, THERE'S NO VARIATION THAT AASHTO PUBLISHES TO ACCOUNT FOR A TRACTOR TRAILER, UH, DIFFERENCE OF CAR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S TRAVELING AT WHAT SPEED? 40 MILES AN HOUR. AND WHAT'S THE SPEED LIMIT ON THE ROAD? 35. I THINK IT'S 40 OVER THERE. FOUR NINE A YOU'RE COMING AROUND A TURN OVER THERE AND WE MEASURED THE SPEEDS AND THEY WERE AT 38 MILES AN HOUR WHEN WE MEASURED THE SPEEDS AS PART OF THAT SITE DISTANCE ANALYSIS. OKAY. IT, IT MIGHT BE 40 MILES FURTHER NORTH ON NINE A, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S 40 MILES ON THAT AREA, BUT IT'S JACOB, COULD YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? I WAS JUST SAYING I'M NOT SURE IF THE 40 MILE PER HOUR IS FURTHER NORTH ON NINE A NOT IN THAT AREA. SO MAYBE OTHER PORTIONS OF NINE A WHICH ARE 40 MILES AN HOUR. YEAH, 10 VILLAGE, IT'S 30. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. MR. WEINBERG, UH, AT THE LAST, UM, MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ABANDONED LOADING DOCK AND GETTING RID OF IT. WHERE DOES THAT STAND? THAT THAT'S THE AREA WHERE THEY BROKE IN. THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE SITE PLAN AS FAR AS KEEPING THAT CONDITION. I BELIEVE IT'S BEING TURNED INTO AN ENTRANCE. THAT'S ONE OF THE, THAT'S OF THE ACCESS ACCESS POINTS. THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S THE WEST DRIVEWAY. SO HOW CAN YOU HAVE A, AN ENTRANCE THERE WITH THAT BIG CONCRETE, WHICH FLY WOULD BE COME DOWN AND IT WOULD BE REMOVED? REMOVED AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION? SO IT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA GET REMOVED? YES. OKAY. WHEN THEY DID THE ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION, DID THE TERRAIN OR THIS PROPERTY CHANGE? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS WHEN I WENT THERE LIKE TWO WEEKS AGO, I, I WAS STANDING IN THE STREET AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE LEVEL OF THE GROUND INSIDE THE FENCE RIGHT BY, YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALK AREA IS ABOVE THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, WHICH FROM A DRAINAGE POINT OF VIEW SUGGESTS TO ME THAT IF YOU GET A HEAVY [01:20:01] STORM, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF WATER FALLING OFF THAT PROPERTY INTO, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KNOW LAWRENCE AVENUE. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TERRAIN WAS CHANGED WHEN THEY DUG EVERYTHING UP, TOOK ALL THE CONTAMINANTS OUT AND, YOU KNOW, REFILLED IT, PUT, YOU KNOW, PUT THE CAP ON AND THEN I GUESS PUT ADDITIONAL SOIL OVER THAT. UH, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT WE WOULD'VE TO SPEAK WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. WE ARE NOT, WE WERE NOT PART OF THAT, UH, PROCESS THAT WAS DONE ON THE PROPERTY. BUT AS FAR AS THE, IF IT WAS MOUNTED UP, IT REALLY WOULDN'T INCREASE STORMWATER BECAUSE IT'S A PERVIOUS LAYER. UM, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING FIELD DOES NOT INCREASE STORM WATER, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOW OR ANYTHING. WELL, BUT IF IT, YOU HAD A REALLY HEAVY STORM AND, AND, AND THE GROUND CAN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, ABSORB ALL OF THE RUNOFF, IT'S GOING TO RUN OFF TO, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S HIGHER UP, IT'S GONNA RUN OFF TO A LOWER LEVEL, YOU KNOW, AREA LAWRENCE STREET FLOODS ALL THE TIME ANYWAYS. ARE YOU, ARE YOU, I'M SORRY. ARE YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO, UM, THE CLEANUP UNDER THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM OR SOMETHING ELSE? UH, I'M, IF YOU'RE STANDING AT THE, ON LAWRENCE STREET, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY WHEN I WAS THERE, THE LEVEL, THE, THE TOP OF THE, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY MM-HMM . THE SOIL IS ABOVE THE SIDEWALK LEVEL, AT LEAST WHERE I WAS STANDING. AND I'M WONDERING WHETHER WHEN THEY DID THIS MASSIVE CLEANUP AND THEY, YOU KNOW, REMOVED ALL THE CONTAMINANTS, THEN REFILLED IT, PUT THE CAP ON AND PUT SOIL OVER THE CAP, DID THE TERRAIN CHANGE SO THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, HIGHER THAN IT WAS WHEN THIS ALL STARTED AND YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR WATER ON A, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT STORM DRAINING INTO LAWRENCE STREET? YEAH, I, I I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP WAS COMPLETED AND CERTIFIED, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A HISTORY OF FLOODING ON LAWRENCE OFF OF THE SITE. I DON'T THINK THAT, AND THE TERRAIN HAS NOT CHANGED. UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S BEEN, THAT SITE HAS BEEN EXISTING THAT WAY FOR, FOR AT LEAST SEVERAL YEARS. I KNOW, BUT SO, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, ADDING FLOODING TO LARGE STREET, WHICH DOES FLOOD, YOU MEAN, YOU MEAN PRESENTLY OR IF THIS IS APPROVED? NO, NOW. OH, I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE HISTORY OF FLOODING ON LAWRENCE OFF OF THE SITE, AND IT'S BEEN THAT SAME CONDITION FOR YEARS. IT COULD BE WRONG, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT. WELL, I THINK WHAT MATT WAS SAYING IS, AND WE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY HOW MANY YEARS AGO? YEAR AND HALF. YEAR AND A HALF AGO. WELL, WE KNOW IT, WE KNOW THAT LAWRENCE STREET GETS FLOODED WHETHER IT'S GETTING FLOODED FROM THIS PROPERTY. I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHETHER YOU KNOW THAT THE LEVEL OF THE TERRAIN WAS, YOU KNOW, WAS CHANGED BY, BY WHAT THEY DID. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S BEFORE OUR TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN SORT OF FIND OUT ABOUT THAT. YEAH. QUANTUM, THIS IS A A, A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN. ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING IN A 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN? YOU DON'T ALLOWED TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS? YES, YES. YES. SUBJECT. YOU JUST CAN'T TOUCH THE FLOODWAY. YOU CAN WORK IN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT YOU CAN'T TOUCH THE FLOODWAY. SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IN, IN AN AREA THAT ON THE MAP IS SHOWN AS A HUNDRED A YEAR FLOODPLAIN. YEAH. SUBJECT TO, UH, APPROPRIATE PERMITS FROM THE TOWN AND AS NECESSARY FROM THE STATE. MIGHT NOT BE THE SMARTEST IDEA, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE. AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, A MAJOR STORM WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE PRETTY ROUGH CURRENTS COMING DOWN WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GETTING STORED THERE, IT'S GONNA START FLOATING. ISN'T THERE A POTENTIAL FOR THIS TO GO FLOATING AWAY? NO, IT'S FENCED. WE'RE FENCED IN THE WHOLE SITE. PARDON ME? THE, THE SITE WILL BE ALL FENCED IN. WELL, NO, AND, AND THE MATERIAL IS NOT GONNA BE IN A CONDITION THAT IT COULD JUST FLOAT AWAY. WE HAVE TRUCKS, RIGHT? VEHICLES. YEAH. MM-HMM . I MEAN, WHAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD A REALLY, YOU KNOW, MA MAJOR STORM AND YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT CURRENTS AND, AND ISN'T IT FLOWING DOWN FOR LIKE, INTO THE SOMO RIVER, WHICH IS ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? I, I, I, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANT TO, I DON'T WANNA OVERSHADOW THIS, THIS ISSUE THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE. MM-HMM . BUT IF YOU GET TO THAT STATE, I THINK ANY PROPERTY MAY BE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THAT ISSUE. IT WOULDN'T BE UNIQUE TO OUR PROPERTY. I SEE. I GUESS, UM, IF YOU COULD, UH, CLARIFY HOW MUCH OF THE STORAGE AREA AND VEHICLE PARKING AREA IS WITHIN THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN I CAN SHOW YOU TO. AND IS, IS THERE, I MEAN, WE'VE DEALT WITH THIS ON THE, ON ONE IN THE PREVIOUS, ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MATTERS THERE, THE TRUCKS THAT ARE GETTING STORED THERE, UH, THEY'RE RENTAL TRUCKS I GUESS, RIGHT? UH, THE VEHICLES, YEAH, THEY MAY [01:25:01] BE, THEY MAY BE RENTAL VEHICLES, THEY MAY BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DEALERSHIP LEASE VEHICLES. IT, IT COULD BE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT. SO IS THERE ANY, ARE THEY GETTING SERVICE THERE WASHED THERE? NO, THEY WILL NOT BE. IT'S PA TOTALLY PASSIVE STORAGE WITH NO, AND THE OWNERSHIP TEAM IS HERE, BUT I'M, I'M NOT, WE'RE NOT SERVICING VEHICLES HERE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SERVICING THEM, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR CONTAMINANTS TO GET INTO THE PROPERTY. THAT'S PRECISELY WHY THERE'S NO SERVICING. RIGHT. UH, SECURITY LIGHTING WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, AND I DIDN'T SEE IT MENTIONED IN THE RESPONSE, AND YOU OBVIOUSLY HAD THE PROPERTY WAS VAN WAS ENTERED, YOU KNOW, THE DAY WE HAD THE LAST MEETING. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, CUT THE LOCK, BROKE THE FENCE, AND I WENT THERE EARLY IN THE MORNING. IT HAD ALREADY BEEN FIXED. UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE TO HAVE A BIG PIECE OF, YOU KNOW, VACANT PROPERTY WITH A LOT OF TRUCKS IN THERE. SO ARE WE GONNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT LIKE SECURITY LIGHTING? I BELIEVE AT THE LAST MEETING WE AGREED TO EITHER DIMMING THE LIGHTS OR DOING HALF OF 'EM ON. UH, AS FAR AS THE SECURITY FEATURE, WHEN THE SITE IS NOT OPERATING, LIKE DURING THE TOTAL NIGHTTIME, BASICALLY THE INTENDED HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD BE ENDING AT AROUND THREE 30, I BELIEVE. UH, AND I THINK IT GOES FROM SEVEN TO THREE 30, I THINK WERE THE INTENDED HOURS THAT WE SUBMITTED. UM, BUT THEY WOULD STAY ON JUST, THEY'D STAY ON ALL NIGHT. YEAH. FOR SECURITY PURPOSES AT EITHER FROM DARK, FROM, FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM WHEN. YEAH. 50 GOES DOWN, PERCENT OF ON UNTIL IT COMES UP IN THE MORNING. HALF OF 'EM ON, HALF OF 'EM OFF OR JUST DIMM THE LIGHTS IN GENERAL. UM, EITHER ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS. OKAY. AND IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE HERE THESE ARE THE LAYOUT PLAN AND THEN THIS LINE OVER HERE IS THE 500 YEAR. THIS LINE HERE IS THE A HUNDRED YEAR. UM, COULD YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT PLEASE? SO MOST OF THE, MOST OF THE STORAGE AREA IS NOT WITHIN THE A HUNDRED YEAR OR 500 A YEAR. SO YOU HAVE THIS LITTLE AREA HERE, WHICH IS A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN. AND THEN WHERE'S MY LITTLE CURVE GO? THIS OUTER ONE IS 500 YEAR, THIS INNER ONE IS A HUNDRED YEAR MM-HMM . THEN THERE'S NOTHING HERE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THESE LINES HERE FOR 500 AND THEN 500 A YEAR. HOWEVER, I WILL NOTE HEARD ME THAT I MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODPLAIN IS ELEVATION 1 0 4. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR GRADING PLAN, THE FLOOD ELEVATION ELEVATION OF 1 0 4 IS ONLY IN THIS AREA OF THE SITE RIGHT HERE, WHICH ISN'T REALLY EVEN THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA. THERE'S NO OTHER 1 0 4 CONTOUR IN THE WHOLE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA. SO THE ASPECT OF THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD WOULD NOT BE ENCUMBERED ONTO THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA BASED ON THAT ELEVATION. AGAIN, I MENTIONED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, THAT THESE LINES THAT I SHOW ON HERE, THESE, UH, DASHED GRAY LINES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DRAWN AT A MUCH LARGER SCALE LOOKED OUT AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET A LETTER OF MAP REVISION DONE, UH, TO, UH, RECTIFY THOSE, THOSE LINES BASED ON ACCURATE EXISTING TOPO DONE ON SITES. WE'RE NOT PURSUING THAT OR ANYTHING HERE, BUT YOU CAN DO THAT, UH, JUST BECAUSE THOSE LINES ARE, ARE DONE AT SUCH A LARGE SCALE LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AT AREAS AND EVERYTHING. SO, UM, THERE'S NO ASPECT OF THE, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD GOING INTO THE OUTDOOR STORAGE. AGAIN, IT'S A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT I OUTLINED HERE. IS THERE ANY WAY FOR YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT TO, YOU KNOW, LET US KNOW IF THE TERRAIN OF THE PROPERTY CHANGED BY THE, BY THE, UH, REMEDIATION? I MEAN THE, I I DON'T KNOW WHEN, WHEN THE REMEDIATION WAS DONE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CONTRACTORS WHO DID THE WORK OR THE CONSULTANT WHO SUPERVISED THE WORK, WHETHER THEY'RE STILL AROUND. BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I'D BE INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHETHER THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LAND IS HIGHER THAN IT WAS WHEN THEY STARTED. IF IF THERE'S A WAY TO ASCERTAIN THAT INFORMATION, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT. OKAY, THANKS. ALRIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OH, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, THE MS. ANDERSON, I'M SORRY. UM, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT QUANTITY OF FILL. UM, HOW DOES THIS NOT CHANGE THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE SITE? IN WHAT RESPECT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE'S LIKE ALMOST 10,000 CUBIC FEET OF FILL ON THE, ON THE YES. SO WE, SINCE THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN DONE WITH THAT, THERE'S BEEN REVISED GRADING THAT THAT BETTER MIMICS EXISTING CONDITIONS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF TRANSFER OF EARTH WORK BASICALLY ON THE SITE. UH, THAT NUMBER HAS COME DOWN. UM, AND, UH, WE MINIMIZED HOW MUCH OF THAT IS BEING EXPORTED AND HOW [01:30:01] MUCH IS BEING CUT. SO I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, THOUGH, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE HERE LAST, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION TOPIC AS FAR AS, UH, FILL WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN. WE'RE NOT FILLING WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN. UH, THE, THERE IS A NET CUT WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN AREA THERE, UH, AS FAR AS THAT RESPECT. SO THERE'S NO CHANGE. HOW MUCH CUT OF SOIL CAN YOU DO BEFORE YOU REACH THE CAP? WELL, THE CAP IS 12 INCHES OVER OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT'S HERE RIGHT NOW, JUST SEVERAL ACRES. SO IS IT, SO I'M SORRY. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE DIGGING INTO THE CAP TO REMOVE SOME OF IT? YES, THERE WOULD BE CONDITIONS WE MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT BASED ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. THERE WOULD NEED TO BE NOTICE TO THE STATUS AS PART OF THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ABOUT 30 DAYS, UH, WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, EXCAVATE INTO THE CAP. BUT THEN YOU NEED TO OVER DIG TO ESSENTIALLY PUT BACK THAT 12 INCHES. WHAT KIND OF MONITORING YOU COULD, ASSUMING YOU HAVE TO PENETRATE THE CAT. I AM NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT. I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION THOUGH, ISN'T IT? IS THE QUESTION, WHAT KIND OF MONITORING DO YOU HAVE TO DO? YEAH. WHAT KIND OF MONITORING ARE YOU GONNA DO? RIGHT. I MAY NOT THE I'M SORRY. NO, NO, IT'S, IT'S OKAY. YEAH. THE FIRST SUPER FUND SITE WAS IN NEW YORK, UPSTATE NIAGARA. THE CAP FAILED. THEY HAD TO REMEDIATED THE STATEN ISLAND LANDFILL. THE CAPS GET PENETRATED BY MISTAKE ALL THE TIME. IF YOU ARE ORIGINALLY, MY QUESTION WAS THE NATURE OF YOUR FILL, AND I WAS ADVISED THAT THE, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. IT'S GONNA BE TAKEN FROM THE SITE AND THERE'S GONNA BE NO POLLUTANTS. NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY GOING TO PENETRATE THE CAP AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN SHOULD THAT HAPPEN TO MONITOR THE SITE SO THAT POLLUTANTS DO NOT ESCAPE IN THE EVENT OF RAIN OR FLOODING INCIDENT? I'M NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER. I CAN ONLY STATE WHAT I GUESS THE CONSULTANT HAS MENTIONED TO ME IS THAT IT WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW THE STATE'S PROGRAM THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE FOR THE SITE AS FAR AS MONITORING AND ANY KIND OF POTENTIAL EXCAVATIONS ON THE AREA, WHICH SHOULD BE MONITORED. I'M ASSUMING BY HIM AS BEING THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT, UH, FOR ANY OF THOSE PROCESSES. BUT I CAN'T ANSWER DEFINITIVELY AS FAR AS THE SPECIFICS. I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEYOND YOUR AREA. UM, DO WE HAVE, CAN WE OBTAIN OR REQUEST THAT THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE CAP BE PROVIDED TO US AND THE TYPE OF REMEDIATION THAT WAS DONE? YES. I'D BE VERY CURIOUS. YES. WE CAN REQUEST COPIES OF THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP, UH, REPORT AND, AND ANY, UH, REGULATIONS OR, OR GUIDANCE ASSOCIATED WITH DIGGING INTO THE CAP. THANK YOU. SO HOW MANY, SO HOW MANY INCHES INTO THE 12 INCH CAP WOULD YOU BE REMOVING? UH, I DUNNO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I'D HAVE TO GET YOU BACK THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. I, WITH YOUR REVISED FILL PLAN WITH YOUR, UH, YOU SAID YOU WERE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF IMPORTED FILL FROM ABOUT 9,500 CUBIC YARDS TO, DO YOU HAVE A QUANTITY NOW? IT'S NOT A NET IMPORT. I'LL PUT IT. IT'S NOT A, SO YOU GO FROM 9,500 CUBIC YARDS OF IMPORTED FILL TO A NET EXPORT. YES. OVERALL THAT'S AS IT, THAT'S AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS. BUT WE CAN OBVIOUSLY LOOK INTO THAT TO REVISE THE EARTH WORK BETTER. OH, I'M, THAT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. I'M CURIOUS TO SEE HOW YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT. UM, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE FOR THAT? UM, TO BRING IN 9,500 CUBIC YARDS OF FILL AND THEN EXPORT? I MEAN, WE'RE, NONE OF US HERE ARE ENGINEERS, SO, AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEER PRESENT FROM THE TOWN. SO, UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S INTERESTING FOR, I THINK BACK TO EMILY'S QUESTION ABOUT YOU'RE BRINGING IN 9,500 TO 10,000 CUBIC YARDS OF FILL, BUT THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NET, UH, EXPORT NEGATIVE EXPORT EXPORT. SO I JUST THINK LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED ABOUT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND CONCERNS ABOUT FLOODING BECAUSE OF AN INCREASED ELEVATION, AND IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN SOME OF THAT IN MORE DETAIL, THE BOARD WOULD REALLY BENEFIT. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE DID WITH THE RECENT, UH, REVISION DEGRADING IS WE, WE MIMICKED THE PROPOSED CONTOURS TO CLOSELY ALIGN WITH [01:35:01] WHAT EXISTS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. SO PREVIOUSLY THERE WERE AREAS IN THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA THAT DIDN'T FOLLOW THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS IT SHOULD HAVE. UM, SO BASICALLY IN ALIGNING THE PROPOSED CONTOURS CLOSER WITH THE EXISTING, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AMOUNT OF FILL AS MUCH AS WE PREVIOUSLY HAD. ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT WE DID. WE BETTER ALIGNED OUR PROPOSED GRADING TO MIMIC WHAT EXISTS OUT THERE BASED ON OUR EXISTING SURVEY. AND I GUESS WHY, WHY WASN'T IT ALIGNED PREVIOUSLY? I THINK IT WAS MORE TO PROVIDE A CONSISTENT FLAT SURFACE AND 'CAUSE THERE'S GRAY CHANGE IN THE EXISTING SURFACE, BUT IF YOU'RE BETTER REPRESENTED TO MASS EXISTING, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, UH, FURTHER REDUCE HOW MUCH IMPORT YOU'D BE HAVING AT THAT TIME, WHICH IS WHAT THE PREVIOUS DESIGN HAD ENCOMPASSED. SO IT MIGHT HAVE, UM, JUST DONE A STRAIGHT LINE BETWEEN TWO POINTS ACROSS THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, BUT THE CONTOUR MIGHT HAVE MEANDERED A BIT WHERE IF YOU FOLLOW THE MEANDERING CONTOUR, YOU GET TO NOT HAVE SUCH IMPORT AMOUNTS AS WE MIGHT HAVE HAD BEFORE. OKAY. UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION, ONE MORE QUESTION, SORRY. UM, IN ONE OF YOUR PREVIOUS, UH, CORRESPONDENCES FROM MARCH 18TH, UH, IN RESPONSE TO A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS FROM THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, YOU INDICATE THAT, UH, THE REQUEST IS BEING COORDINATED WITH THE PROJECT SURVEYOR TO UPDATE THE SURVEY. UH, HOW IS THAT GOING? HOW FAR ALONG IN UPDATING THE SURVEY ARE YOU GUYS TO SHOW EXISTING SEWER MAIN DRAINAGE LINE, EXISTING UTILITY POLES ON THE PLAN, ET CETERA? IT'S BEEN CONVEYED. I'M NOT FOR, UH, LEADING THAT PROCESS, BUT IT HAS BEEN COORDINATED AND THERE, IT'S BEEN REACHED OUT. I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS THE STATUS WHERE THAT STANDS. I CAN TRY TO FOLLOW UP AND LET YOU KNOW. WE'LL, WE'LL PRESS THE SURVEY TO GET IT DONE. THANK YOU. UM, TOWN PLANNER BRITAIN, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM ENGINEERING AND ARE THERE ANY OUTSTANDING ITEMS THAT, THAT WE CAN NOTE FOR THE RECORD? UH, MOST OF THEIR OUTSTANDING COMMENTS RELATE TO THE, UH, THE SW WHICH, UH, WE HAVE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE, UH, AND ABOUT THE SURVEY, UM, AND SHOWING THE APPROPRIATE, UM, ITEMS ON THE SURVEY. OKAY. UM, OH, AND SORRY. AND, UH, THE CUT FILL ANALYSIS, WHICH SEEMS TO BE CHANGING RECENTLY. OKAY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UM, SO HERE'S WHERE WE ARE. AS, AS I UNDERSTAND. SO THIS IS ON REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD. I THINK WE ORIGINALLY HAD 60 DAYS AND THEN THAT WAS EXTENDED FOR AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS. UH, AND THAT ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS RUNS US THROUGH WHEN? APRIL 20TH. APRIL 20TH. AND OUR NEXT MEETING IS ON APRIL 15TH. APRIL 15TH. OKAY. UM, AND SO IF WE WERE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THE APRIL 15TH MEETING, UM, WE WOULD BE REQUIRED, WE WOULD BE FORCED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT THE SWIP. UM, UNLESS YOU GUYS CAN GET IT. YEAH, I, I PREPARED. UH, SO WE WE'RE GOING TO, IF I MAY, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE LAYOUT, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THIS SLIP, BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT, UM, WE GET THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION ON THE 15TH THAT YOUR BOARD CONSIDERS IT AND PROCEEDS IN THAT MANNER. OKAY. UM, WE, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY LIKE TO GET BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD 'CAUSE THERE'S STILL MORE PROCESSES TO GO THROUGH AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO THIS BOARD ANYWAY. UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT PROCESS FORWARD. OKAY. UM, SO YOU WOULDN'T BE OPEN TO AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE SWIP AND, AND MAKE UP A SITE PLAN RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THAT, THAT INFORMATION, WHICH WE REALLY NEED TO, TO, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. NOT, NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO BACK TO THE TEAM AND TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE, HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET THE SWIP, HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET THE SURVEY. IT, IF I GET IT TO YOU, IT MAY OBVIATE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. OKAY. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO, TO STAY IN TOUCH WITH, WITH MATT AND HIS TEAM TO, TO SEE WHERE WE ARE. ALRIGHT. UM, THEN I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR LEGAL ADVICE. SO MOVED. MOVE MR. PILLINGER. SECOND. SECOND, MR. PATEL. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES? AYE. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, WELCOME BACK. UH, THIS IS STILL THE PLANNING BOARD, IT'S STILL MARCH 30TH AND IT IS 9:21 PM UH, NO VOTES WERE TAKEN DURING THE PLANNING BOARD'S LEGAL CONSULTATION SESSION. UM, ALRIGHT, SO, UH, JUST TO CONFIRM, [01:40:01] UM, YOU ARE NOT OPEN TO GIVING THE PLANNING BOARD ANOTHER 30 DAY EXTENSION, UH, TO RECEIVE THE SWIFT AND REVIEW THAT INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A, A FULL RECOMMENDATION ON THE SITE PLAN. NOT, NOT AT THIS TIME AT THIS MEETING. I CAN AGAIN, TALK TO THE TEAM, SLEEP ON IT, AND HAPPY TO NOTIFY, UM, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUT NOT AT THIS TIME. ALRIGHT. UM, THEN I WOULD, I, I WILL DIRECT STAFF TO, UM, WRITE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO REVIEW AT OUR NEXT MEETING. WILL DO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, SEEING NO ADDITIONAL BUSINESS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 9:22 PM SO MOVED. MOVED. MR. PILLINGER. SECOND. SECOND, MR. PATEL. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR BOTH. AYE, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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