* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] GUYS RIGHT NOW. I JUST TO GET ROLL. GREAT. SO, MADELINE, [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH HISTORIC LANDMARKS & PRESERVATION BOARD Tuesday, April 14, 2026 – 7:00 P.M. This meeting will take place in the Lee F. Jackson Room at Town Hall, located at 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh NY, at 18031 Wayne Road, Odessa, FL, and will also take place via Zoom. For additional details (opportunity for the public to attend, listen, or observe) please contact planning@greenburghny.gov. The meeting will be available to be streamed as an archive, via the Town's website.] DO YOU WANNA OPEN THE MEETING AND THEN I'LL CALL THE ROLL? SURE. THE, UM, APRIL MEETING OF HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD IS ABOUT TO BEGIN. AND I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE A VERY SOLID AGENDA, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE THINGS ALONG AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. I'M SWITCHING GEMAN TO THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, AND I THINK THAT'S IT. MR. SCHMIDT, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL CALL CHAIRPERSON. OSHA HERE. MS. CIO, UNMUTE YOURSELF. ARMENIA HERE. MR. DESAI? HERE. MS. PURDY? HERE. MR. RIO? HERE. THANK YOU. UM, I FOUND NO PROBLEM WITH THE MINUTES. WERE THERE ANY, DID ANYBODY FIND ANY PROBLEMS? I THOUGHT THEY WERE MAGNIFICENTLY DONE. YEAH, I, I REVIEWED THEM AND I WAS GOOD WITH THEM. THANK YOU, AARON. THEY REALLY WERE VERY GOOD. UM, MAY I HAVE, UM, A VOTE TO, UM, ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED? MAY I HAVE A SECOND MOTION TO ACCEPT ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. I HAVE, UM, LUMPED A LOT OF THINGS UNDER CORRESPONDENCE, SO I SAID ED AL AND I'M JUST GONNA READ IT TO YOU. ED SAID, ED SENT US, MR. LIEBERMAN SENT US, UM, TEXT AMENDMENTS TO OUR LEGISLATION SO THAT WE CAN, UM, HAVE ALTERNATES, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, I, THAT WILL BE SENT OUT TO ALL OF US AND WE'LL JUST POSTPONE IT FOR THE MONTH. I SENT A LETTER TO THE, UH, ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, WHICH I BELIEVE I SENT TO EVERYBODY REGARDING 74 ARDSLEY ROAD. AND WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE UNTIL THURSDAY AS TO WHAT HAPPENS, MR. SIMMONS, THAT WE, WHO WE HOPED WOULD GIVE US A HISTORY OF PARKWAY GARDENS HAS DECLINED TO TALK TO ANYBODY AT ALL. THERE SEEMS TO BE ANOTHER PERSON ALMOST AS GOOD AS HE OR WHO HAS LIVED HERE THIS LONG, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. UM, DRAW MORE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU SAW THE ZONING BOARD AGENDA, THE HOUSE AT THE TOP THAT SUPPOSEDLY WAS GOING TO BE A SOCIAL CLUB AND HAPPILY DIDN'T TURN OUT THAT WAY. UM, IS ON THE ZONING BOARD AGENDA FOR TOMORROW NIGHT BECAUSE THEY WANT A VARIANCE, I GUESS, TO TURN IT INTO SOME KIND OF BOARDING SCHOOL. BUT THAT'S INANCE THERE. UM, I CHECKED WITH BUILDING, THERE IS NO, UM, REQUEST FOR ANY CHANGES TO THE HOUSE. SO FOR US THAT'S, THAT IS A VERY GOOD THING. AND MADELINE, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S 86 SMORE ROAD. YES. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. DIRECTOR RECORD. THE ZONING BOARD IS MEETING ON THURSDAY, NOT TOMORROW, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, DID I SAY TOMORROW? I'M SORRY. OKAY. UM, IF WE COULD WE HAVE SUPPOSEDLY STEVE TILLEY OR SOMEBODY FROM HIS OFFICE? AH, THERE. HELLO. HI THERE. OKAY. UM, IF YOU COULD TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT ODELL HOUSE AND WE WILL THEN DO A RESOLUTION TO O OFFER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. OKAY. HI, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE REINERT. I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DIRECTOR AT STEVEN TILLEY ARCHITECT. UM, IF I CAN SHARE, I HAVE A QUICK, UH, SLIDESHOW FOR YOU WITH SOME OF THE INFORMATION. YES. UH, THE SHARE SCREEN SHOULD BE OPEN. OKAY. AND IS EVERYBODY SEEING MY FIRST SLIDE? LET'S SEE IF THIS TO COOPERATE WITH ME. YES. OKAY. UH, SORRY. I'M, UH, LET'S SEE FROM BEGINNING. HERE WE GO. UM, I JUST, JUST A LITTLE [00:05:01] WALK THROUGH. SO THESE ARE SOME HISTORIC PHOTOS OF THE BUILDING FROM THE TWENTIES, AND I JUST INCLUDED A LITTLE NOTE ABOUT THE VARIOUS ADDITIONS, INCLUDING 1732. THE ORIGINAL PORTION FROM 1765 AND 85, THE EAST EDITION, 1855, THE WEST STONE EDITION, AND THEN CIRCA 1906, EARLY 19 HUNDREDS IS THIS LITTLE ONE STORY. UM, ADDITION TO THE NORTH. UH, THIS IS JUST OVER THE YEARS, UM, ESPECIALLY IN THE SIXTIES. IT'S, UH, IT'S A FARMHOUSE. IT'S GONE THROUGH DIFFERENT PHASES OF RESTORATION AND REPAIR WORK. THIS IS THE UNFORTUNATE STATE. IN 1965, UH, 1973, IT WAS ADDED TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER. AND THEN LATER IN 1980 TO THE NEW YORK STATE REGISTER. SO THE 1970S, A LOT OF WONDERFUL RESTORATION WORK WAS DONE ON THE BUILDING ITSELF. UM, BY 2008, SOME OF THE ROOFING SHINGLES, AND I'M SORRY WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY PICTURES, BUT THEY WERE IN POOR SHAPE. SO THERE, UH, NEEDED TO BE SOME ROOF, UH, SOME REPLACEMENT OF THE ROOF SHINGLES, WHICH OUR OFFICE DID AT THAT TIME. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, BY 2018, IT WAS IN VERY FORLORN CONDITION AGAIN. AND THE NORTH EDITION HERE HAD ACTUALLY, UH, FALLEN APART AND WAS MISSING. UM, IN 2019, THE FIRST ITEM WE DID AFTER A WALKTHROUGH WAS BECAUSE THE ROOF WAS IN POOR CONDITION WITH SOME HOLES. WE ADDED THESE VERY THICK TARPS ACROSS THE ENTIRE ROOF TO START BEING ABLE TO WORK ON IT. AND THEN WE DID AN EMERGENCY STABILIZATION IN SHORING PHASE WHERE WE ADDED COVERS TO THE WINDOWS. WE COVERED THE NORTH EDITION FOUNDATION, WE DID SOME SHORING, AND WE ALSO DID SOME WORK ON THE, UH, CRAWL SPACES, UH, BELOW THE FIRST FLOOR. UH, THE NEXT PHASE WE TACKLED WAS THE ROOF PHASE, UM, PORTIONS OF IT TO THE CENTER AND THE EAST WERE REPAIRED, BUT THE WESTERN STONE PORTION WAS AN ENTIRELY NEW ROOF. UM, AND THIS IS, WE DID SOME INVESTIGATION, AND THIS IS A VIEW MOST PEOPLE DON'T GET TO SEE. SO THAT WAS SORT OF INTERESTING. AND WE ALSO DID SOME CHIMNEY REPAIRS AND ADDED A CHIMNEY CAP IN AROUND 2024 AND 2025. THIS WAS OUR MOST RECENT PHASE THAT WE ARE JUST FINISHING UP. WE TOOK THE, WE'VE ADDED NEW SHINGLES TO AND SHAKES TO THE WALLS. WE INSTALLED NEW WINDOWS. IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE EXTERIOR ENVELOPE, AND WE DID A LITTLE INVESTIGATION AHEAD OF TIME AS WE WERE TAKING DOWN THIS EASTERN MOST WALL. AND WE GOT TO SEE SOME OF THE INFO THAT WAS IN THERE AS WELL AS MAKER'S MARKS, WHICH IS VERY INTRIGUING. UH, WE ALSO DID PERMANENT STABILIZATION. WE TOOK THAT TEMPORARY SHORING AND DID THE PERMANENT REPAIRS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. UH, THESE ARE JUST A FEW SH SHOTS OF ADDITIONAL SCENES. THIS IS THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION THROUGH THE FRENCH, THEY HAD OBTAINED A GRANT, SO THAT SUPPORTED WORK FOR THESE FRENCH DOORS AND THESE WINDOW REPAIRS IN THE STONE EDITION. AND THIS IS THE MOST RECENT STATE OF THE INTERIOR OF THE NORTH EDITION, WHERE IT'S SORT OF READY TO GO FOR THE NEXT PHASE. AND THIS IS THE UPCOMING PHASE, WHICH INCLUDES PRIMARILY FILLING OUT THE INTERIOR. SO THERE'S THE HVAC SYSTEMS AND PLUMBING, THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM. THERE HAD BEEN A TEMPORARY SYSTEM THAT GOT MOVED AND NOW WE HAVE, AND WE PUT A FEW LIGHTS IN THE BUILDING, BUT NOW IT'S THE REMAINDER OF THAT FIRE PROTECTION EGRESS AND A DA CLIENT COMPLIANCE THROUGHOUT THE, THE BUILDING, WE HAVE PARTITIONS IN THAT NORTH EDITION THAT I SHOWED YOU TO MAKE THAT A COMPLETE ROOM PLUS FINISHES THROUGHOUT ALL THE ROOMS. AND THEN THERE IS A LIMITED LANDSCAPE COMPONENT, WHICH IS, UH, JUST PROVIDING ACCESSIBILITY TO THE HOUSE IN THE SITE ITSELF. UM, I BELIEVE GARRETT SUBMITTED THE FEBRUARY 25TH LETTER FROM O-P-R-H-P INDICATING THE DOCUMENTS WERE APPROVED FOR GRANT. THEY HAD DETERMINED THAT THERE WAS NO ADVERSE IMPACT ON OUR PROPOSED WORK THAT WE JUST SUBMITTED. AND THAT, UH, WE HOPE TO MOVE AHEAD WITH. THAT'S CORRECT. HE DID CIRCULATE THAT LETTER. THANK YOU. YES. AND, UM, I THINK THOSE WERE THE MAIN POINTS. UM, OH, I DID WANNA, UH, UH, NEW YORK STATE PARKS HAS VISITED THE SITE AS WELL BESIDES ALL OF OUR WORK THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THEM OVER THE DIFFERENT PHASES AND CORRESPONDENCE AND DISCUSSION WITH THEM. AND LET'S SEE. I THINK THAT'S A QUICK GIST OF IT ALL, UM, [00:10:01] TO CATCH YOU UP TO DATE WITH OUR CURRENT PROJECT. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN, OR MORE INFORMATION THAT I CAN PROVIDE TO YOU? CARL, ANNETTE, ANYTHING? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, UH, THE WALL THAT YOU OPENED UP AND THEN, UH, PUT AN ENVELOPE OR THE NEW, UH, SIDING AND OTHER STUFF. SO WHAT WAS, IT WAS REFILLED WITH IT. OH, THAT, THAT IS JUST, UM, LIKE SORT OF THE NOGGING. WE DID NOT PUT THAT IN THERE. THAT IS IN THE WALL. DO YOU WANT ME? OKAY. SO YOU'VE GOT, OKAY. THAT WA THAT WAS IN THERE. WE TOOK OFF THE EXISTING SHAKES AND THEN WE DID WIND UP ACTUALLY HAVING TO PUT PLYWOOD ACROSS THE WHOLE WALL UNDERNEATH BECAUSE, UH, FOR STRUCTURAL REASONS TO SECURE THAT WALL BETTER. THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FOUNDATIONS. WHAT'S THE, WHAT IS THE STATE OF THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE SERIES OF BUILDINGS AND THEN OF THE NORTH, UH, ADDITION? THE, UM, WE DID DO REPOINTING ON ALL OF THEM AS WE WERE WORKING ON THEM. UM, AND THEY'RE SO THEY'RE IN GOOD SHAPE? IS THAT WHAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN, OR, YEAH, I'M WONDERING WHY, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING ABOUT THE FOUNDATIONS. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT STATE YOU FOUND THEM IN. OKAY. YEAH. UM, THEY WERE IN GOOD CONDITION, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY REPOINTING THAT WAS REQUIRED, ESPECIALLY IN THE EAST ADDITION. UM, CLOSEST TO OLD FARM LANE THAT IS A FULL BASEMENT AND THAT WE HAD TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE REPAIR ON THE INTERIORS OF THE WALLS THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE. UH, THE REST OF THEM WERE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. WE DID A LOT OF REPOINTING ON THE STONE ADDITION AS WELL AS THE, I DUNNO, SIX TO 12 INCHES OF FOUNDATION YOU CAN SEE AROUND THE HOUSE. SO THERE'S SIGNIFICANT REPORTING. THEY'RE ALL GOOD NOW. IT'S VERY STRUCTURALLY STABLE AND IT, IT'S GOOD NOW . OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. YEAH. I HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTION ABOUT THE A DA MM-HMM. UH, CONFORMING TO THE A DA MM-HMM . WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO IT FOR IT, HOW? WELL THERE ARE, WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE HOUSE. THE LANDSCAPE WILL INCLUDE A RESIN PATH THAT WILL BRING PEOPLE TO THE HOUSE FROM THE BACK DOOR, AND THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE FIRST FLOOR BECAUSE THE FIRST FLOOR IS ON DIFFERENT LEVELS. THE STONE ADDITION IS TWO OR THREE STEPS HIGHER. SO BOTH OF THOSE DOORS WILL BE A DA ACCESSIBLE. AND THEN THERE, THERE IS A WAY TO GET INTO EVERY ROOM ON THE CENTRAL, IN THE EASTERN PORTION, EXCEPT THERE'S A LITTLE BUMP. THEY HAVE TO, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO AROUND IF THEY WERE IN A WHEELCHAIR. THAT'S A LITTLE ISSUE IN THE HALL. AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE TO GET TO THE STONE EDITION THOUGH, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR A RAMP OR ANYTHING TO PROVIDE THAT WITHIN THE HOUSE WITHOUT TAKING UP A LOT OF SPACE. SO BOTH OF THOSE DOORS WILL BE A DA ACCESSIBLE. YEAH. AND EVEN IF, UH, I THINK THE, UH, THE CODE ALLOWS SOME, SOME EXEMPTIONS TO THE HISTORICAL BUILDING. SO YES. IF THERE'S A SITUATIONS THAT, THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. RIGHT. YEAH. WE, YEAH, WE DID ACTUALLY ENLARGE A FEW OF THE INTERIOR DOORWAYS TO ALLOW THE, EVERYBODY TO GET THROUGHOUT THE FIRST FLOOR. IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. I'D LIKE TO TAKE A, I TOOK A TOOL LAST YEAR, OR, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT ANOTHER ONE NOW. IT'S LOOKS BEAUTIFUL. NICE RESTORATION. THANK YOU. INVITING US AGAIN FOR JUNE. I'VE GOT A LETTER TO GO TO THE FRIENDS OF ODELL, AND I'VE INVITED US TO COME IN IN JUNE BEFORE THIS, ALL THE CEREMONIES START TAKING PLACE. WELL, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. IT'S TERRIFIC. LET ME KNOW WHAT DATE IS AND, OH, I WILL, OH, I'M GOING TO SOLIDIFY THIS AS FAST AS I CAN. OKAY. UM, WE NEED TO, UM, I DON'T, AARON, HOW DO WE DO THIS? WE, UM, NEED A, UM, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND WE NEED, UM, TO, WE NEED TO, UH, RENDER SUPPORT. HOW DO WE DO, DO WE DO TWO, UH, RESOLUTIONS OR ONE, OR HOW DO WE DO IT? SO, LET'S SEE. I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE CODE REAL QUICK. I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW, UH, WHAT WAS DONE LAST TIME WHEN GARRETT WAS INVOLVED IN THE FIRST CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WAS ISSUED. OKAY. SO I THINK YOU CAN CARRY IT ALL IN ONE VOTE. [00:15:01] UM, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THAT. AND THEN I CAN TRANSMIT ON BEHALF OF THE DEPARTMENT, UH, BETWEEN GARRETT, MYSELF, THE DOCUMENTATION AND THE RESOLUTION OF THIS BOARD. OKAY. SO MAY I HAVE A, A, A VOTE TO, UH, ISSUE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR, UM, THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE AND WILL BE DONE FOR ODELL HOUSE AND GIVE OUR SUPPORT TO THE FUTURE WORK THAT WILL BE DONE, AND PEOPLE I MOVE FOR THAT CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BE, UH, ISSUED. MAY I. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. HI, STEVE. IT'S BEEN QUITE A WHILE SINCE WE'VE SEEN YOU. CAN I HEAR STEVE? YOU'RE MUTED. NOPE, YOU'RE STILL MUTED. HOW'S THAT? THAT'S BETTER. OKAY. WELL, UH, I'M SORRY. I, I HAVE THREE DEVICES HERE AND I COULDN'T, I, I COULDN'T GET THE LINK. I HAD TO GO BACK TO THE EMAIL I WAS TRYING TO GO FROM OUR CALENDAR. BUT ANYWAY, I CAUGHT THE END OF IT. AND I KNOW STEPHANIE DID A SUPER JOB, BUT SHE DID. WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE AND THE NEXT PHASE TO FINISH IT UP AND GET IT OCCUPIED. GOOD. WE'RE HERE TO, WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU AS THEY, AS I KNOW THAT ODELL, THE FRIENDS OF ODELL WILL SUPPORT, UM, H-N-L-P-B. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. UM, I'M GONNA GO ON TO THE NEXT ITEM UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO TALK TO STEVE ABOUT SOMETHING. THANK YOU AGAIN. REALLY GOOD INFORMATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS SO MUCH. THANK SO MUCH. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. OKAY. OKAY. GOOD NIGHT. OLD ARMY WROTE 1 0 5. WHY ARE WE ECHOING? I HAVEN'T DONE A THING YES. BEFORE SHERRY LOSES DAYLIGHT BECAUSE I THINK SHE'S STANDING IN FRONT OF THE, UH, BETH BETH EL KNOWLES. RIGHT. LET'S JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BEFORE IT GETS DARK THERE. OKAY. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. UH, I GUESS IN THE SAME ORDER. SHERRY, GO AHEAD. TALK TO US. YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUTED. I'M NOT MUTED ANYMORE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? I SURE CAN. OKAY. I JUST THOUGHT YOU GUYS MIGHT ENJOY A NICE VIEW. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY. SO I JUST THOUGHT YOU MIGHT LIKE THIS MAGNIFICENT, MAGNIFICENT VIEW TO RE REMIND YOU WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, THE DAYLIGHT. TELL US WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. ARE WE LOOKING AT ONE OR TWO BUILDINGS? UM, WELL PICK UP THE PEER TO WALK. LET ME WALK CLOSER. SO I DID MAKE A, UM, A SPEECH AT THE LAST TOWN BOARD MEETING. WELL, THIS, THIS IS ONE BUILDING. THIS IS THE BUILDING THAT, THAT, THAT WE'RE, UM, TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THEY WANT TO DEMOLISH. YES. AMONG OTHER PROBLEMS HERE. MY PROPERTY GOES PRETTY FAR BACK. WOW. PROPERTY, I THINK I GO BACK TO ABOUT HERE. WOW. THERE. SURE. THERE SHE IS. MM-HMM . AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE LITTLE GRAY EXTENSION BEHIND IT. THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT'S A SEPARATE EXTENSION. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CONNECT. THEY'RE CONNECTED. SO THEY HAVE AN ADULT DAYCARE. SO BACK, I DON'T KNOW, 20 YEARS AGO THEY ADDED ON TO THIS HISTORIC BUILDING. THAT'S THE ADULT DAYCARE THAT'S OPERATED MONDAY TO FRIDAY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT. THE LANDSCAPING SEEMS TO OBSCURITY AND THEIR CURRENT PLANS SHOW IT COMING. WE WELL INTO THE HISTORIC BUILDING AND THEN SOME NO, THEY WANNA TAKE DOWN THE HISTORIC BUILDING. WELL, I KNOW. AND HOW FAR AND HOW FAR DOES THE DEVELOPMENT PROTRUDE THE ROADWAY GOES THROUGH IT, CORRECT? YEAH. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. LIKE YEAH. WHERE IS THAT, WHERE IS THE EMERGENCY ACCESS? SO THE ROAD ROAD, THE HOUSE WOULD BE DEMO AND THE ROADWAY WOULD GO WHERE THE HOUSE IS. CORRECT. OKAY. THE ACCESS ROAD WOULD BE WHERE THAT, WHERE THAT HOUSE IS. [00:20:01] UM, I COULD SHOW SOMETHING ELSE. SO I CAN TURN THIS WAY. YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO BUDS ON THE TREES TEARING DOWN ALL THESE TREES BETWEEN MYSELF AND THAT DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING FORWARD HERE AS WELL. THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND THE ACCESS ROAD, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING TWO, TWO BUILDINGS. SO PRETTY. IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE CHOPPY, BUT I I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. YEAH. SO THEY WOULD BE TAKING, THEY WANNA TAKE DOWN THE, THE MANSION. YEAH. AND WHAT ABOUT THE DAYCARE CENTER? YEAH, THAT GOES TOO THEN. YEAH. CORRECT. YEAH. BOTH, BOTH THE, BOTH THE HISTORIC BUILDING AND THE, THE ADULT DAYCARE WOULD BE TORN DOWN. WHERE THE, THE HISTORIC BUILDING IS NOW IS AN, WOULD BE AN ACCESS ROAD, KIND OF WHERE THE ACTUAL ADULT DAYCARE IS NOW. WOULD BE WHERE THAT, WHAT THEY'RE CALLING A TWO AND A HALF STORY BUILDING. AND THEN, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THE CONNECTION GETS FUZZY AT THE END OF THE BORDER OF YOUR PROPERTY. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THE DAYLIGHT BIGGER, BUILDING BIGGER, ALL THE TREES WOULD BE TORN DOWN AND THEY WOULD BUILD LIKE 150. OKAY. I MEAN, I CAN SHOW YOU THIS OTHER, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME INTEREST OF, OF, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS, THIS IS THE, THE SHACK DILAPIDATED. OH YES. KID HOUSE SHACK. OH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT. WASN'T THAT A CARETAKER'S HOUSE DOWN THERE AT YEAH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. THAT WAS THE CARETAKER. IT'S TOO FAR. BORN'S KID HOUSE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . YEAH. IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT BE A KIT. IT MIGHT BE A KIT HOUSE, BUT IT'S, YOU CAN TELL. I KNOW I'M NOT HOLDING THIS COMPUTER. , I THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THIS, SHERRY. OKAY. IF YOU JUST GO IN AND GET WARM AND WE'LL HAVE BETH EL KNOWLES ON EVENTUALLY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SHOW THAT. I'LL, I'LL, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. BE ON MUTE UNTIL YOU WANT TO DISCUSS MORE. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF WE COULD DO 1 0 5 OLD ARMY. YES. WE HAVE A PROJECT REPRESENTATIVE HERE. OKAY. PATIENTLY WAITING FOR US THAT WILL WALK. DON'T CALL HER TOO EARLY . JUST KEEP IT PRESENT. IF YOU COULD, UH, JUST ANNOUNCE YOUR AFFILIATION, YOUR NAME AND AFFILIATION WITH THE PROJECT, AND THEN WALK THE BOARD THROUGH THE PROPOSAL. CORRECT. SO MY NAME IS BEN RA. I'M THE ARCHITECT REPRESENTING MR. AND MRS. UH, ERIC LNO AS, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS. THEY'VE OWNED THE HOUSE FOR NOW SEVERAL YEARS. THEY ENGAGED US TO, TO DO AN ADDITION TO THE HOUSE, CONNECT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, AND THEN DO A SECOND STORY EDITION IN WHICH WE MATCH THE, THE STONE THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE HOUSE. AND WE FINISHED THE PROJECT THAT INCLUDED A GARAGE DOOR AS WELL. SO WE DID, WE DID THAT WORK. AND THEN NOW AFTER, UM, YOU KNOW, FINISHING, THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO A, A, A, A DETACHED GARAGE. A SEPARATE STRUCTURE AT AUXILIARY BUILDING. SO WE ARE STAYING WITHIN THE LOT COVERAGE, THE BUILDING COVERAGE, THE FAR, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND WE ARE DOING A VERY SIMILAR STRUCTURE TO WHAT WE ALREADY BUILT. WE'RE GONNA USE THE SAME STONE THAT WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL MATCHING THE EXISTING STONE. WE ARE MATCHING THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DID IN THE MAIN STRUCTURE TO THIS, UH, DETACH STRUCTURE. AND UH, I GUESS WE WERE TOLD THAT WE SHOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, TALK WITH YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE, UH, THE HOUSE IS OLDER AND THEN WE BASICALLY REPEATED ALL THE MATERIAL THAT WE USED IN THE HOUSE, THE ASPHALT SHINGLE, WHICH WAS ALREADY ON THE MAIN HOUSE. NOW ON THE ADDITION, THE STONE ALSO, THAT WAS BEFORE WE DID THE WORK AND THIS IS WHEN WE DID THE WORK. YEAH. RIGHT. AND NOW WE ARE MATCHING, BASICALLY PUTTING THIS ON TOP ONE STORY, UH, ON THE SIDE. AND THERE'S LIKE 56 FEET BETWEEN THE MAIN HOUSE AND THE ADDITION. AND IT'S STUCK AGAINST, UH, STILL WITHIN THE SETBACKS ON THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. IT HAS A VERY LONG DRIVEWAY TO GET TO THE MAIN HOUSE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE BASICALLY HERE. SO IT WILL NOT BLOCK THE HOUSE, BUT IT, WHEN YOU SEE IT, IT HAS WINDOWS AND THE SAME VERNACULAR AS THEY EXIST. THE ELEVATION SHOWS FOUR CARS, TWO ON A LIFT, TWO ON A, SO IT'S FOR PURPOSES OF STORING VEHICLES. HE WORKS A COLLECTION AND HE WORKS ON HIS CARS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S IT. IS IT COLLECTION AND HE WORKS ON HIS CARS? YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING YEAH. REPEATING IT. YEAH, HE DOES. AND BASICALLY, UH, WE MINIMIZE IT. UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A BIG, THEY WANTED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT [00:25:01] MORE STORAGE AREA, BUT WE STAYED WITHIN THE MINIMUM TO GET TWO CAR CARS COMFORTABLY AND A LIFT. IF HE WANTS TO WORK ON A CAR, I THINK WE'LL END UP DOING JUST ONE LIFT, BUT FOR NOW, PREPARING JUST IN CASE. YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE A DOUBLE HEIGHT OR INSIDE YOU DON'T SEE IT? NO, NO. BUT THE ROOF WOULD BE MUCH HIGHER. NO, NO, I'M STAYING WITHIN THE PERMISSIBLE HEIGHT. YEAH. SO BASICALLY IT, IT CAN GO UP TO SIX FOOT EIGHT AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE THE SECOND, THE SECOND LIFT IF, YEAH. RIGHT. OH, OKAY. SO IT'S A, IT'S INSIDE . IT'S STILL COMPLIANT WITH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. UH, YEAH. NO, I'M JUST SAYING YOU CAN GO RELATION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. I . YEAH, IT'S SAYING THEY'RE NOT SPAN OF PROPERTY. PLEASE. AARON OR ED, CAN YOU HAVE TWO GARAGES ON ONE PROPERTY? WELL, THAT'S A QUESTION. SO THERE'S AN EXISTING ATTACHED GARAGE. YES. MM-HMM . AND THEN THIS PROPOSED. RIGHT. OKAY. AS LONG AS I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY LIMITATION IN THAT REGARD. I THINK IT'S FALLS UNDER ACCESSORY THERE. ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ACCESSORY RESTRUCTURE, RESTRUCTURE. RIGHT. WORKSHOP, STORAGE. SO EXISTING IS TWO CAR AND THEN THE BUILDING FOUR CAR, RIGHT? YES. WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY VERY TIED TO CAR BECAUSE OF SETBACK. SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PUT ONE CAR IN AND OUT WITH THE KIDS AND THEN PUT THE OTHER CAR ON THE, THE TOTAL WOULD BE SIX CARS, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO. IT WILL, IT'S THEORETICALLY WE CAN ADD ON TOP, BUT FOOTPRINT IS TWO CARS AND A CAR AND A HALF IN THE EXISTING HOUSE. OKAY. CAR AND A HALF IN, YEAH. THAT'S BY, BY THE WAY. THAT'S A SMART CAR. YEAH, THAT IS, UH, THAT WAS EXISTING. THE GARAGE WAS EXISTING. IT WAS JUST ONE STORY. WE ADDED THIS SECOND STORY AND WE DID, AND WE, THIS GARAGE IS NONCONFORMING, SO WE STAYED WITHIN THERE BOTH. OH, OKAY. YEAH. AND SO WE ARE MATCHING THE STONE, WHICH WE MATCHED THE ORIGINAL SUN OF THE HOUSE. AND THEN WE ARE ALSO MATCHING THE NEW GARAGE DOOR. WE LOOK JUST LIKE THIS MAHOGANY WITH A TERM THAT MUCH EXISTING. AND THIS IS THE EXISTING HOUSE AS IT IS NOW, PLUS WHAT WE HAVE BACK NOW. WHERE'S THE EXISTING GARAGE TERM HERE? THE SAME PLACE. IT'S RIGHT HERE. YEAH. WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT. OH, OKAY. WE JUST, UH, CONNECTED, RAISED THE ROOF ON THAT. MM-HMM. AND ADDED ON TOP AND SIDE OF MY HOUSE. THAT'S IT. THE MAIN HOUSE IS STILL HERE. THIS WHOLE STRUCTURE WAS THERE, BUT IT WAS SIDING AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, VINYL SIDING AND STUFF THAT HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS. SO WE HAVE REMOVED IT AND WE MATCHED IT. THIS IS STUFF. YEAH. WE HISTORICAL ALL THIS UP. THIS IS THE EXISTING, I DON'T KNOW, CAN YOU SEE THAT? UH, MADELINE? NO, IT'S IN THE PACKET. IT'S, I I HAVE A, I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES, BUT I NEED TO DISCUSS THEM WITH THE ARCHITECT 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUFFICIENT. RIGHT. WE'VE BEEN, I CAN LEAVE THIS WITH THE BOARD AND WE CAN EMAIL. YEAH. SO THESE PHOTOS THAT ARE IN THE ROOM NOW, UM, YEAH, THEY'RE MORE RECENT THAN ANYTHING. YEAH. ARE BETTER. YEAH. WE'LL I'LL PUT THEM IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA SO THAT THOSE ON YOU SAY THE ORIGINAL HOUSE HAD ASPHALT SINGLE SHINGLES WHEN YOU GOT TO IT, SO YEAH. YEAH. YOU MUST HAVE HAD SLEEVE SOMETIMES RIGHT? IN THE PAST OR EVEN SEE IN YEAH, IT'S TOO BAD. IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE HANDSOME. YEAH. YEAH. BUT THAT IS THE EXISTING ROOM. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND YOU SEE, SO THIS IS EXISTING, SEE THERE WAS LIKE A DETAIL, LIKE A LITTLE ROOM AND THAT LITTLE . THIS IS THE CLOSE. YEAH. SO WE COMBINED ALL THAT. OKAY. I, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THE EXISTING AND THEN THIS WAS WHILE THE WORK WAS GOING ON. OKAY. IT LOOKS NICE. JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE SHINGLE. UH, THE, UH, UH, THE SHUTTERS . UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NO, I THINK THE ORIGINAL HOUSE HAS THAT. YEAH, BUT WE HAVE, WE DIDN'T ADD THEM YET. WE, WE, WE ARE NOT THERE, BUT WE WILL BE ADDED. YES. DOES THE EXISTING HOUSE REQUIRES ANY VARIANCES OR IT WAS UP? NO, THE CURRENT GARAGE WHERE IT IS, THAT'S WHEN THEY, MY CLIENT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. THEY HAD THIS DTA, THIS ATTACHED SEMI ATTACHED GARAGE WITH A BREEZEWAY IN BETWEEN IS NONCONFORMING. 'CAUSE IT, IT KINDA TOUCHES A LOT LESS THAN REQUIRED. SO, BUT IT WAS GRANDFATHERED AND WE DID NOT EXTEND ON THE NON-CONFORMITY. WE STAYED WITHIN THE LINE. SO WE HAD A SURVEYOR GIVE US A LINE IN THE AIR. SO THE FRAMERS DON'T GO ANYWHERE BEYOND THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT THE FRONT YARD, SIDE YARD, OH, [00:30:01] COMPLETELY COMPLIANT WAY OVER MORE THAN A MILLION. SURE. IT'S LIKE A HUNDRED, 200 FEET. OKAY. TO THE, THE OLD ARMY. IT IS JUST VERY TIGHT ON THAT SIDE. OH, THE, THE BACK IS A LOT. AND THEN THE SIDE, EVERYTHING JUST THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE THE ONLY PLACE TO PUT A GARAGE WHERE THE PROPERTY IS PLUS, YEAH, IT GOES DOWN THERE ON THE SIDE STAND. IT'S HUGE ROCK. YEAH. YEAH. HUGE. THAT'S IN THE FRONT YARD, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S VERY BIG. LIKE, AND IT'S BRANDED. IT'S LIKE, AND THAT'S NOT BEING TOUCHED. RIGHT. NOTHING IS BEING, WHERE WE PUTTING IT IS IN BETWEEN TWO ROCKS, , BASICALLY, AND A HARD PLACE. RIGHT. YEAH. AND IT'S BASICALLY WHERE WE, IT'S FLAT, THERE'S NOTHING THERE. WE'RE NOT CUTTING ANY TREES WHERE THEY NORMALLY NOW THEY PARK THEIR X EXTRA CAR THERE AND NOW IT'S JUST GONNA HAVE, UH, STRUCTURE. A STRUCTURE. I DID WANNA NOTE THAT YOU MENTIONED NO TREES AND YOUR WETLAND WATERCOURSE CLEARANCE FORM MENTIONS NO TREES. UM, ON THIS PLAN, THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THE SYMBOL OF A TREE IS IN THE, UH, I GUESS THE EASTERLY CORNER SOUTHEASTERLY REAR CORNER OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING YOU WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT. IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN IN THIS CORNER. TINY LITTLE PINES THAT ARE LIKE, SORT OF OKAY. SURVIVING ANYTHING. EIGHT INCHES IN DIAMETER. MM-HMM . AND GREATER ARE REGULATED, OF COURSE. AND WE SUBMITTED THIS TO THE, UH, TO THE, FOR THE WET WETLAND AND FOR THE RIGHT. EVERYBODY'S ALREADY LOOKED AT IT AND THEY, AND, AND OUR ENGINEER GOT IT ALL APPROVED. RIGHT. SO THE WETLAND WATER COURSE CLEARANCE FORM MAY HAVE BEEN PROCESSED, BUT IT WAS LIKELY NOT RELEASED BECAUSE WE HOLD IT UNTIL THE HISTORIC BOARD'S, UM, REVIEW IS COMPLETE. ON THE COVER MEMO, THERE'LL BE A NOTE THAT SAYS ANY TREES, UM, PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL EIGHT INCHES IN DIAMETER OR GREATER WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT. SO THAT GOES TO EVERYBODY. BUT, UH, I THINK THE CHAIRWOMAN HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I DO. UM, WE REALLY NEED, UM, I'M FAR MORE INTERESTED IN WHO THE FARMER OWNER IN 1924 WAS THAN I AM IN. WELL, WE NEED IT ALL. SO WE WE'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE BEFORE WE CAN SEND YOU A LETTER, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO, UM, FILL IN WHO THE OWNERS WERE GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1924 WHEN IT WAS BUILT. AND I WOULD LIKE MORE DEFINITIVE PICTURES. UM, I DON'T, I KNOW THE HOUSE, BUT THAT, AND, BUT BECAUSE I LIVE THERE, BUT, UM, THE, THE, UH, FORM SAYS PICTURES FROM ALL SIDES AND PROPERLY LABELED. OKAY. AND I, I DON'T, I DON'T, SO I HAVE A QUESTION. GO AHEAD MATT. NO, I JUST WONDERED, UM, THE SECOND GARAGE IS STRICTLY FOR PLAYING WITH CARS. IS THAT IT? IT HAS NO IN NO OTHER ALT POSSIBLE USES? NO, NOT AT ALL. THERE'S NO, NOT EVEN ROOM FOR STORAGE, NO BATHROOMS, NO WATER, NOTHING. OKAY. THAT'S JET. THAT JET'S WHAT I WANNA KNOW. YEAH, THERE'S NO WATER AT ALL. NOT EVEN JUST ELECTRIC AND THAT'S IT. LIGHTING AND FOR THE GARAGE OPENNESS. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. MADELINE, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, NO. I HAVE QUESTION AS LONG AS WE GET WHAT WE NEED. UM, AND THEN WE CAN SEND A LETTER IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S DESIRE, AND WE'LL FIND THAT OUT SHORTLY. OKAY. SO OWNERS AND MORE ALL AROUND PICTURES, RIGHT? WHERE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, FARM OWNER, WHO THAT FARM OWNER WAS OR SUB IN THE DOCUMENTATION PROVIDED, GIVING THE CHAIN OF TITLE. IT'S NONDESCRIPT IN TERMS OF, UH, THAT WAS ON THIS, THIS SHEET. OKAY. SO IT GIVES KIND OF THE CHAIN OF TITLE, BUT DOESN'T GIVE NAMES. I SEE. SO WE'RE INTERESTED, YOU KNOW, WAS IT, YOU KNOW, COULD IT HAVE BEEN AN IMPORTANT LOCAL INDIVIDUAL OR, I MEAN FOR ALL, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE BEEN, UH, NATIONAL INTEREST, BUT, OR WORLDWIDE FOR THAT MATTER. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD JUST WANT THAT. AND THEN, SO I THINK IT'S LIKE YOU SAID, THE, THE A LITTLE MORE DETAILED AND LABELED PHOTOS. UM, WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD MEMBERS? 'CAUSE I [00:35:01] HAVE UH, A SUGGESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE FRONT WALL GIVER? A SECOND. GOT IT. SHOULD BE . I'LL GIVE YOU MY CARD. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. I THINK MR. DESAI A QUESTION. YEAH. WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE, THE STONE WALL IN FRONT OF IT? YOU, WE ARE NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING AT ALL. THE ONE ON THE, ALL THE ARMY. YEAH. WE ARE NOT, WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR. WE ARE. YOU WE'RE SEVERAL OF THESE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM, BUT IT'S PART OF YOUR PROPERTY, RIGHT? IT IS. I THINK. YES, IT IS. IT'S INSIDE THE PROPERTY. YEAH. IF IT'S THERE, YEAH. I THINK THERE IS SOME HOLD AND SOME NEEDS. SOME NEEDS REPAIR. REPAIR. THEY'RE SLOWLY DOING THIS. THE DRIVER GONNA HAVE TO BE REDONE. ALL THAT SITE WORK. YEAH. THEY'RE STARTED WITH THE HOUSE. THEY HAVE TWO LITTLE CHILDREN AND NOW THEY'RE FACING, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PLANNING ON LIVING HERE FOREVER. MM-HMM . UM, AND YOU SEE THERE IS A ROCK BETWEEN THAT STRUCTURE AND THEN SQUEEZE AND THEN IT DROPS DOWN, AND THEN IT'S THE, THE WALL. SO YOU REALLY DON'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET. SO THERE'S NO INTENTION TO DISMANTLE THE WALL? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. OR ON THE, ON THE, YOU JUST WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD. IT NEEDS A REPAIR. OF COURSE. YOU TOOK MY BREATH AWAY WITH THAT QUESTION, ERIN. , I'D RATHER PROTECTIVE OF OUR WALLS. YEAH, NO, IT'S OKAY. I, I VERY HAPPY. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A LEADING QUESTION. , THEY'RE REALLY, THEY'RE BOTH EUROPEANS AND THEY REALLY APPRECIATE QUALITY AND ALL THINGS, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS THEIR IDEA TO ADD, REMOVE THE SIDING AND PUT STONE AND SOMEONE STONE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S SO EXPENSIVE NOT TO DO STONE AND SUPPORT IT WITH STEEL AND ALL THAT. RIGHT. THEY WENT FOR IT. 'CAUSE TO THEM IT'S IMPORTANT. VERY GOOD. WELL, I HAVE, OKAY, WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION, ERIN? SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG. RIGHT. SO ONE SUGGESTION TO THE BOARD WOULD BE, UH, THAT IT MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, UM, A VOTE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD CONDITIONALLY UPON, UH, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE SUBMITTING THE LABELED DETAILED PHOTOGRAPHS AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL AND DETAILED OWNERSHIP INFORMATION TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE DEPARTMENT UPON. THAT'S FINE. YOU WANT US TO TAKE A VOTE ON THAT? MAKE A MOTION. WE ACCEPT SECOND. SO I'LL, I'LL FORWARD THAT TO YOU BY EMAIL AND ALSO BRING HARD COPIES OR, UH, YOU CAN FORWARD IT TO ME BY EMAIL AND THEN IF WE NEED HARD COPIES, I WILL LET YOU KNOW. IN ALL LIKELIHOOD WE WILL, BUT LET'S COMMUNICATE. OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, GREAT. OKAY, GREAT. NOW THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE LITTLE BREEZE ONE, RIGHT? YES. THAT'S HOW IT WAS BEFORE. IT'S STILL HERE. UM, MS. ANNETTE, MS. ANNETTE PROPOSED IT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH, I'LL SECOND IT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AYE. CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE. YES. AYE. AND CHAIR VOTES. AYE. WE'RE GOOD TO GO. GREAT, THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO ON TO, UM, 5 99 OLD WHITE PLAINS ROAD. OH, AND I THINK THAT, UM, WE GOT SOME INTERESTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. STAGE COACH. I JUST WANNA KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT THE CHAPEL. SO WE DO HAVE A, AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE ON, AND, UM, I'D LIKE THEM TO SPEAK TO SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I THINK CAME IN LATE TODAY. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. UM, SO I THINK MR. BARRINO IS ON YEAH. OR ONE OF HIS ASSOCIATES? WE BOTH, BOTH AND GREAT. UM, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK. THEY REALLY, UH, IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THE REALLY, THE WHOLE TEAM WAS VERY RECEPTIVE TO THE COMMENTS ISSUED BY THE HISTORIC BOARD, UM, IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING AND MEETINGS. AND, UH, I'LL, I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO MR. BARRINO. OBVIOUSLY THE EMAILS I'VE RECEIVED, ASIDE FROM WHAT CAME IN LATE THIS AFTERNOON HAVE ALL BEEN FORWARDED TO THE BOARD. SO BOARD MEMBERS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE PROGRESS THEY'VE BEEN MAKING. BUT IF YOU WANNA SUMMARIZE THAT FOR US, UH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SURE. UM, SO WE'VE SINCE THEN REACHED OUT TO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME CORRECT? YES. YES. ALRIGHT. UM, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO, UH, I THINK A COMPANY. DO YOU RECOMMENDED, UM, THE BOARD, ACME HERITAGE CONSULTANTS, LLCI THINK THEY'RE OUT OF, UH, THEY'RE ON PALMER AVENUE IN LARGEMONT. LARGEMONT, YEAH. UM, SO THEY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, EXPERTISE [00:40:01] IN THIS SORT OF DOCUMENTATION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE AND THE, THE LANDMARK, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE MAIN BUILDING, THE MAIN HOUSE. UM, SO WE'VE DONE SINCE THEN, WE'VE, I THINK SINCE THE LAST MEETING, UM, WE WERE ASKED TO REACH OUT TO, UH, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, UH, I GUESS THE TERRYTOWN OR, UM, THE, HIS, THE LOCAL HISTORICAL SOCIETY. SO, UH, SARAH, I BELIEVE HER NAME IS, UM, MARK, SARAH, MARSHA. YEAH. SHE WAS, UM, SHE WAS VERY HELPFUL. I PROVIDED SARAH WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I SENT YOU GUYS, UM, THE CHAIN OF TITLE. AND, UM, SHE WAS ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SHE WAS HELPFUL. SHE, SHE, SHE WAS ABLE TO DIG UP SOME INFORMATION, SOME INFORMATION ON THE CHAPEL, SOME INFORMATION ON, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, UH, THAT THEY HAVE. UM, AND THIS WAS ALL FORWARDED, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO KIND OF LOOK AT, UM, ANY OF THE INFORMATION. I THINK THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY CIRCULATED, THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE RELATED TO THE CHAPEL. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO I GUESS SINCE, SINCE THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S IS LOOKING FOR US TO, UH, TO DO. SO HERE. UH, WE IN TURN REACH OUT TO, UM, MATTHEW, UM, HIS LAST NAME IS, UM, SPIGELMAN, I THINK. YEAH. SPIGELMAN. THANK YOU. COOL. SO I'M NOT SURE IF, IF YOU WANT ME TO, TO READ THE MEMO, THE LATEST, TODAY'S MEMO, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 'CAUSE IT WAS NOT CIRCULATED. OKAY. MAYBE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN SHARE IT. YEAH. OKAY. UM, SHARE. OKAY. CAN EVERYBODY SEE THIS? UH, IT'S COMING THROUGH NOW. OH, SORRY. MY, YOU COULD JUST BLOW IT UP A LITTLE BIT OR ZOOM IT IN A LITTLE BIT. UM, IF POSSIBLE. I THINK SO. OH, YOU GOT ME HERE. IT'S, UH, IT'S SMALLER . UH, I ALSO DON'T HAVE A MOUSE, SO IT'S A LITTLE, UH, YOU CAN JUST READ THROUGH IT THEN THAT THAT'S, YEAH, GO AHEAD. I HAVE IT OPEN ON MY SCREEN IF YOU WANT ME TO SHARE, UH, IF IT'S EASIER ACTUAL SIZE. THERE YOU GO. DOES IT HELP YOU? I CAN, UM, YEAH, DO MY BEST HERE TO KIND OF THAT. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. WE'RE DONE. SO THIS, THIS IS, UM, UM, FROM MATTHEW GET TODAY. SO THIS IS BASICALLY KIND OF LIKE OUR, LIKE ANTICIPATED, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF PLAN OF ACTION. MATTHEW IS INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS. WELL, YOU KNOW, HE'S REACHED OUT TO, UM, UH, C COLUMBIA, I BELIEVE IT IS. UM, TRYING TO, TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, DATE THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE. UM, SO I ASKED MATT, AND HE IS BEEN SUPER HELPFUL. UM, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, THIS GUY HAS BEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY USEFUL. UM, I, I BELIEVE YOU GUYS RECOMMENDED HIM. SO I, UH, I APPRECIATE AND I APPRECIATE HIM. I APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP HE'S GIVEN US. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, HE HAS NOT EVEN SENT US A PROPOSAL YET. SO HE'S BASICALLY WORKING FOR FREE. UM, SO, UH, SO MATT SENT THIS TODAY. UH, THANK YOU, MATT. UM, BASICALLY YOU CAN SEE HERE THE INFORMATION, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT HAS IN AT THIS POINT BEEN REQUESTED BY. I THINK THAT WE EVEN ASKED FOR A KIND OF A MORE, UM, FROM AARON, SOME SORT OF FORMAL, YOU KNOW, REQUEST OR RESPONSE OF, UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD LIKE US TO, TO DO. UM, SO HERE, I GUESS HE'S BROKEN IT DOWN INTO, UM, OH, THERE WE GO. THERE YOU GO. UH, THE HOUSE. UM, SO, SO THE HOUSE HAS RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, MAYBE IT'S BY PAGE. DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS? I THINK THAT'S, YEAH, I DO, BUT I, I THINK, OKAY, HERE WE GO. P UP PAGE DOWN WOULD WORK, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. FORGIVE ME. THERE WE GO. SO, RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WHAT I, I REALLY WANTED TO JUST RUN THROUGH QUICKLY, QUICKLY. WAS HE, WHAT, WHAT HE'S KIND OF TALKING ABOUT HERE, RIGHT? TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE WATER. WELL, UM, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE CHAPEL, THE SHED, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME INTERIOR INFORMATION, ADDITIONAL [00:45:01] STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY, UH, ROCK OUTCROPPING. SO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MEMO. UM, THE HOUSE, AND I CAN READ THIS OFF TO YOU. UH, SO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UM, ONE AND A HALF FRAME STORY DWELLING WITHOUT A BASEMENT, THE WINDOWS AND DOORS HAVE ALL BEEN REPLACED IN THE EXTERIOR. SIDING ON THE MODERN IS, IS MODERN WOOD WITH SMALL AREAS OF MODERN BRICK. THE ATTIC HAS A REAR DORMER THAT IS NOT ORIGINAL. THE HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE A BASEMENT OR A CRAWL SPACE, AND LIKELY LACKS THE FOUNDATION UPON ENTERING. THE STRUCTURE IS DIVIDED INTO TWO ROOMS LEFT AND RIGHT WITH CENTRAL STAIRCASE AND AN ATTIC ABOVE AND WHAT WAS LIKELY A KITCHEN WING IN THE REAR. UH, IN THE LEFT ROOM, THERE'S AN EXPOSED BEAM IN A FIREPLACE. THE FIREPLACE IS CONSTRUCTED OF 20TH CENTURY BRICK, WHICH INCORPORATES SALVAGE MARBLE THAT MAY BE OLDER THAN THE MARBLE. HOWEVER, UH, HOWEVER OF LITTLE HISTORICAL VALUE AND IS WITHOUT CONTEXT IN THE RIGHT ROOM, WE'RE ABLE TO EXPOSE A FEW AREAS WITHIN THE HOUSE DEMONSTRATING THE ELEMENTS OF TIMBER FRAME STRUCTURE IS STILL PRESENT. SEE ATTACHED PHOTOGRAPHS, UM, WE'LL GET TO THOSE, UH, SEE ATTACHED PHOTOGRAPHS. THE AGE OF THE TIMBER FRAME IS YET TO BE DETERMINED BY TREE RING, UH, DATING, WHICH I SPOKE ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. UM, WE'VE PROVIDED THESE PHOTOGRAPHS TO SEVERAL LABORATORIES, AND THEY'RE INTERESTED IN THE PROJECT BEFORE DATE. THE DATE CAN BE OBTAINED. THE HOUSE WOULD BE NECESSARY TO EXPOSE THE TIMBER FRAME THROUGHOUT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, REMOVING THE DRYWALL AND CEILING COVERINGS. UM, H AND LPB ALSO ASKED FOR THE AGE OF THE FLOORBOARDS IN THE ATTIC, WHICH MAY BE ALT. ALL THE FURNITURE IN THE ATTIC AS WELL AS THE CARPET AND LAYER OF THE UNDERLYING PARTICLE BOARD NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, AS WELL AS THE DRYWALL AROUND THE POSTS AGAINST THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE WILL BE TO REMOVE ALL THE DRYWALL, UH, AND TILE FROM THE INTERIOR, FROM A PORTION OF THE HOUSE EXPOSING, UM, WALLS, CEILING FLOORS, UH, REMOVING ALL THE FURNITURE, THE CARPET, MODERN BAR BOARD FROM THE ATTIC, EXPOSING POTENTIALLY HISTORIC FLOORBOARDS, ENGAGING A TREE RING, UH, YEAH, LABORATORY TO DATE, TO DATE THE STRUCTURE, UM, IN HISTORIC FRAME EXPERT TO RECORD. SO THIS IS WHAT MATT HAS DONE IN THE PAST. UH, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, SOMEBODY DID A DOCUMENT AND, YOU KNOW, EITHER EITHER ONE OF US BE ABLE TO DOCUMENT PHOTOGRAPHS, MEASURE DRAWINGS IN A NARRATIVE. YEAH. AND THE NEXT ONE, I I, I, I WANT, I APPRECIATE, SO IF YOU, THE NEXT ONE CONTRACT WITH A, YOU COULD READ THAT YEAH. CONTRACT WITH THE WOOD SALVAGE COMPANY, DECONSTRUCT A RETAINING TRAN, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT THE DIFFICULTY HERE IS EVEN FINDING, IS FINDING ANYBODY, RIGHT? I, I, I, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AROUND TO GIVE THE STUFF AWAY AND WE, WE HAVE YET TO FIND SOMEBODY WILLING. UM, IT'S EVEN BEEN DIFFICULT TO EVEN GET SOMEBODY TO COME AND TEST THE WOOD STRUCTURE HERE. HAVE YOU HAD ANY MM-HMM . DOES, DOES, UM, MATT HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE HE'S WELL VERSED IN, IN, YOU KNOW, THIS SORT OF WORK AND HE MAY HAVE, OR HIS FIRM MAY HAVE, UM, EVEN MORE CONTACTS OR COMPANIES THEN WHAT, YOU KNOW, OUR STANDARD LIST IS OH YEAH, HE'S FOR SURE. NO. EVERY, ANY, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT WE'VE GONE OUT TO OR, UH, IS ALTERNATE. I MEAN, IT'S EVERY, ANYBODY THAT THAT HE CAN, YOU KNOW, CAN RECOMMEND. UM, OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND THERE, SO, SORRY. THERE'S A HISTORIC, THERE'S A, A, A COMPANY ON PURCHASE STREET IN RYE THAT DEALS PRIMARILY WITH OLD WOOD BECAUSE THEY MAKE CABINETS, ET CETERA, OUT OF THEM. SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO GOOGLE. UM, I DON'T SALVAGE COMPANY ON PURCHASE STREET IN RYE. I'VE SPOKEN TO THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES, NOT ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT WHEN I FIRST DISCOVERED WHO THEY WERE, AND THEY MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SOME OF THE WOOD IN MAINLY THE FLOORS, ET CETERA. YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TRY AND DIG THAT UP NOW. YES, WE WILL. UM, OKAY. SO YOU CAN SEE LIKE THE TIMBER FRAME IS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. UM, OKAY. SO ANOTHER, ANOTHER, UH, ITEM WAS THE WATER. WELL, THE WELL IS LINED WITH STONE, UH, VERY WELL DATE BACK TO THE FOUNDATION OF THE PROPERTY. YOU ABOVE PORTION OF THE GR THE WELL, HOWEVER, IS MADE FROM SMALLER STONES CEMENTED INTO A WOODEN BOX, WHICH IS 20TH CENTURY. THE WELL IS FILLED WITH WATER AND IS DIFFICULT TO SE, DIFFICULT TO SECURELY DATE AND DOCUMENT DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS. THIS THEORETICALLY [00:50:01] POSSIBILITY TO EXCAVATE THE BOTTOM OF THE WELL TO, TO RECOVER ARTIFACTS, BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE EXTENSIVE SHORING AND BE PRETTY DANGEROUS AND EXPENSIVE. NO FURTHER WELL WORK, UM, ON THE WELL IS SUGGESTED, AND THIS IS A KIND OF IMAGE OF, UM, WELL, HERE WE GOT, WELL, REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS, UM, IT HAS TO BE CAPPED. OH YEAH, FOR SURE. I WOULD FILL IT. I WOULDN'T FILL IT. I WOULD FILL IT WITH, YOU KNOW, GROUND. I THINK IT'S A NICE ARTIFACTS TO KEEP, BUT THAT'S, BUT WE'LL DISCUSS THAT IN OUR MEETINGS. UM, BUT IT HAS TO BE CAPPED FOR SAFETY REASONS. OH, YEAH, FOR, FOR SURE. I, I AGREE. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS LIKE SOME SORT OF STONE FIELD STONE LINED WELL, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, IF I HAD TO SPEAKING OUT, YOU KNOW, JUST IF THERE'S GONNA BE SOME SORT OF A NEW BUILDING HERE AND A FOUNDATION, THIS STONE, YOU KNOW, THE, THEY, THEY THEORETICAL, THE, THE WAY THAT THIS WAS DONE YEARS AGO, I'M SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS IS RIGHT. WE DIG A REALLY BIG WIDE HOLE AND CONCENTRIC, YOU KNOW, STACKING STONES. SO THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THIS WELL IS, YOU KNOW, THE OPENING IS TWO OR THREE FEET, BUT THE ACTUAL STONES THAT ARE ON THAT, WELL COULD BE A COUPLE OF FEET ON EITHER SIDE. SO THERE IS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME SORT OF EXCAVATION THAT HAPPENS HERE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONCERNED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE, THIS AREA. YES, OF COURSE. UM, YEAH, IT'S JUST KIND OF, OKAY, CHRIS, THERE'S, THERE'S A STONE. A STONE. IT'S A BOULDER. OH YEAH. IT SITS JUST WHAT I CALL A COURTYARD, THIS GUY. AND, NO, IT'S NOT THAT GUY. IT'S, IT'S IN, IT'S INSIDE. IT IS IN A, A COURTYARD IN THE HOUSE. OKAY. IS IT INSIDE THE BRICKS BRICK WALLED AREA? YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A PHOTOGRAPH HERE. APPRECIATE, UM, DO YOU RECALL? NO, I RECALL LOOKING OUT A WINDOW AND SEEING IT, AND I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS AN ENTRANCE TO IT, BUT IT HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE OF THE PLANNING BOARD AT LEAST NOT TO DESTROY, UM, BOULDERS LIKE THAT. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. YES. THERE IS A BOULDER. UH, UH, HERE. THERE IT IS. RIGHT THERE. YEP. THIS, THIS IS THE, SORRY, I CAN'T YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU GIVE ME, UM, A MOMENT HERE. THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE BOULDER, UM, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU WOULD LET ME, UM, LET ME, LET ME ADD TO THAT. SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING HERE IS, YOU KNOW, THIS ROCK OUTCROPPING, UM, YEAH, LET'S GO THROUGH THAT. THAT'S HELPFUL. YEAH. LET'S GO THROUGH THIS. I, I, I DON'T HAVE A MOUSE ON ME, AND IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THIS SPACE. THANK YOU. UM, ROCK OUTCROPPING, RIGHT? OH, THAT'S THE ONE NEAR THE CHAPEL OUTSIDE WHERE THEY HAVE A FIRE PIT OR SOMETHING. I'M TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER BOULDER THAT IS PRETTY WELL SURROUNDED BY HOUSE AND I THINK IT'S, I, I DON'T REMEMBER. I'LL LOOK AT PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ROOM I LOOKED OUT OF, WHICH IS NOT GOOD ENGLISH AND SAW THE BOULDER. BOULDER, YEAH. THERE'S A, SOME SORT OF A COURTYARD AREA. I, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. UM, THANK YOU. AND, UH, HERE YOU GO. I'M MORE INTERESTED, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN KNOWING, UM, I'D LIKE TO PICK UP THE CHAPEL AND MOVE IT SOMEPLACE. SO YEAH, WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE INFORMATION. SO, UH, YEAH, LET'S READ IT TO SEE WHAT HE SAYS HERE. UM, THE CHAPEL. SO THE STRUCTURE OF THE CHAPEL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEWSPAPER STORY THAT THE WALL WITHIN IT THAT'S ON THE WALL WITHIN IT. OKAY. UH, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS ONE IN THERE. UH, OKAY. IT WAS BUILT AS A FRAME BUILDING, 20TH CENTURY CONTAINING OLDER REUSED STAINED GLASS WINDOWS FROM OTHER ELEMENTS, SALVAGE FROM OTHER RELIGIOUS STRUCTURES. THE BRIDGE, THE BRICK EXTERIOR WAS ADDED LATER AND, AND MAYBE NECESSARY TO SEND PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE WINDOWS AND WOODEN STRUCTURE TO THE APPRAISERS TO OBTAIN ADDITIONAL, FURTHER INFORMATION IS LIKELY POSSIBLE TO MOVE IT, IT IS LIKELY IMPOSSIBLE TO MOVE THE BRICK EXTERIOR OF THE CHAPEL, WHICH IS NOT ORIGINAL TO THE CONSTRUCTION. THE CONDITION OF THE ORIGINAL WOOD FRAME STRUCTURE IS UNKNOWN. SO THEY CLAD THIS EXISTING WOODEN, UM, SALVAGE AND DISPLAY OF THE SAME [00:55:01] STAINED GLASS WINDOWS AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE STRUCTURE AT A LOCAL CHURCH OR HISTORICAL SOCIETY WITH AN ACCOMP ACCOMPANYING, UH, PANEL PRESENTING ITS HISTORY. UM, SO LET'S LOOK AT A QUICK PHOTOGRAPH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARTICLE ABOUT IT, IT SEEMS TO COMPRISE THE ECUMENICAL SPIRIT HAVING GOTTEN THE WINDOWS FROM ONE RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION, THE FRONT DOORS FROM ANOTHER, UM, SOME OF THE INTERIOR FURNISHINGS AND QUOTES FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE. UM, WHICH IS WHY I WOULD, I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE IF WE DESTROY IT. UM, IF YOU DON'T THINK IT BE, IT CAN BE PICKED UP AND MOVED. UM, THE, THE EXTERIOR BRICKWORK, NOT WITHSTANDING, UM, BUT FIRST WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO WANTS IT, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO TO ASK ABOUT THAT. DOES ANYONE IN THE ROOM HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? MRS. PERDU? YOU DID, DIDN'T YOU? THE PREVIOUS LADY HAD A BIG BACKYARD. MAYBE WE COULD PUT IT IN HER BACKYARD. , NO, . I MEAN, YOU COULD SEE THIS IS BRICK, RIGHT? YOU COULD SEE HOW THE, THIS WHOLE THING IS CONNECTED TO WALLS AND IT THERE IS, YOU CAN'T MOVE IT. YEAH. THE, YEAH, THE INTERNAL FRAMING, WHICH IS PROBABLY LITTLE WOOD. UM, UH, IT'S SHOWN HERE THE CHAPEL WAS A LOT SMALLER, AND THEN THEY, THEY VENEERED IT WITH WOOD AND CREATED ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES AROUND IT. AND THE BACK, SEE THE BACK PORTION IS KIND OF CONCRETE ALTAR. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO THEY, UH, DEFINITELY HAS BEEN ADDED TO, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, CHAPEL. YEAH. IF YOU SEE THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS, THERE'S THIS WOOD, WHITE, WOODEN KIND OF, THESE WINDOWS WERE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. THE DOOR WAS DIFFERENT. UM, DO YOU HAVE THOSE PHOTOS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DISPLAY FRANCESCA BY, DO YOU HAVE THE, THE DOCUMENT OF, I CAN DIG IT UP IF YOU HAVE IT. I DON'T WANT TO JUST MESS MY SCREEN. WAS THAT, WAS THAT IN THE ARTICLE? I'M SORRY. YEAH, THAT WAS PART OF THE STUFF. IF SARAH, I'M, WHAT DOES THE CHAPEL SIT ON? SARAH SENT IT TO ME, SO I CAN PROBABLY LOOK FOR SARAH'S. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LOOK AS WELL, UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION. WHAT DOES THE CHAPEL SIT ON IN TERMS OF LIKE A FOUNDATION? YEAH. WHAT KIND OF A FOUNDATION IS IT? I DON'T, YEAH, IT IS VERY HARD TO TELL UN UH, UNTIL WE START STRIPPING AWAY, UH, THE VENEERS AND, AND SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ASSEMBLY THERE OR, YOU KNOW, SOME TEST PITS AROUND THERE. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, IT WILL BE CHALLENGING, UM, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, I GUESS, LOCALIZE SOME, SOME TEST JUST TO SEE IF THE FOUNDATIONS ARE, ARE GOOD. TYPICALLY, THESE OLDER BUILDINGS, THEY DON'T HAVE A GOOD FOUNDATION. AND THERE WAS ALSO A CONCERN ON, ON THE ANTIQUE BUILDING THAT THE FOUNDATION WILL, MAY NOT BE SUBSTANTIAL. UM, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DECONSTRUCTION OF, OF THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT IT. UM, BUT IT, IT, IT HAS TO BE DONE, I GUESS IN, YOU KNOW, PIECE BY PIECE IN ORDER TO YES. DETERMINE WHAT'S THERE. I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TO TAKE THE I THE BOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE IT. YEAH. I, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE, THE REPORT, UH, IT, IT, IT'S LOOKING LIKE THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH. UM, DO ITEMS, DO YOU HAVE, SORRY, I'M GONNA STOP SHARING IF YOU DON'T MIND. SO I COULD JUST DIG THROUGH MY EMAILS. YEAH. SORRY, I'LL START SHARING. GIL, I'M NOT DONE. I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO JUST, WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT BRICK, WELL, THE BRICK AROUND IT WAS PUT ON OR PUT UP. I MEAN, MATT IS SAYING EVERYTHING IS, IS BASICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, 20TH CENTURY. IT'S ALL 20TH CENTURY BRICK PROPERTY ALL APPEARS TO BE 20TH CENTURY. YEAH. IT'S IN 15 YEARS, 16TH. SO WE'RE, WE'RE IN, IN THE 21ST CENTURY. CENTURY. YEAH. THAT BRICK IS NOT A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. NO, DEFINITELY. NO. YEAH. NONE, NONE OF THE BRICK THAT'S PRESENT IS, UM, HISTORIC. UH, ACCORDING TO, UM, THE REPORT, EVERYTHING WAS ADDED TO, UH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ADDED TO HISTORICAL ELEMENTS. BUT, UM, YEAH, SO THE BRICK HAS, EVEN THE, SOME OF THE, THE MORTAR, SOME OF THE CONCRETE WORK IT DID, IT'S NOT, UH, DATED. UM, IT, IT, IT'S MODERN ACCORDING TO THE REPORT. IT'S NOT DATED, UH, FROM NINE OR, YOU KNOW, 18 HUNDREDS OR WELL LATER THAN THAT. RIGHT. I, I, UH, THE, UM, [01:00:01] H AND LPB IS NOT NECESS IS NOT INTERESTED IN, UM, CONTRIBUTING TO LANDFILL. SO THAT JUST MAKING A PILE OF CRUSHED BRICK ISN'T GOING TO, UM, MAKE US FEEL VERY HAPPY. UM, IT'LL NEED TO BE DECONSTRUCTED AND EITHER SOLD, GIVEN OR REUSED. I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO REUSING BERG, UH, PUT THINGS ON YOUR HEAD. YOU'LL HAVE NO ARGUMENT FROM ME. YEAH, NO, I THINK WE, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE KIND OF AGREED ON THAT EARLY ON THAT WE COULD USE IT FOR, UM, I DUNNO, FACADE OR SOMETHING. YEAH. WE WANNA INCORPORATE SOME OF THE EXISTING MATERIALS. UM, I, I, I THINK THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD IS TO DECONSTRUCT IT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE HISTORICAL PIECES, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT DOWN, UH, CAREFULLY. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD DATA INPUT, PUT IT ASIDE WHERE, UH, WE COULD THEN SEE WHAT COULD BE REUSED, UM, AND, AND, AND THEN APPLY IT TO EITHER THE BUILDING, THE NEW BUILDING OR IF SOMEONE ELSE WANTS TO USE IT, UH, DOWN THE LINE FOR FURNITURE OR THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, SO, SO I DON'T THINK THE BUILDING HAS THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY TO, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN IT IN, IN ITS CURRENT POSITION. BUT, UH, AS LONG AS WE COULD DECONSTRUCT IT AND, AND REUSE IT, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THE BEST STRATEGY MOVEMENT FORWARD. I'D STILL LIKE TO KNOW WHO CAN, WILL TAKE THE, UM, PIECES OF THE CHAPEL IF IT CAN'T BE MOVED IN ITS ENTIRETY, THE WINDOWS. SO THAT WOULD BE THE, THAT WOULD BE THE HOMEWORK. OKAY. WE'LL ALL HAVE TO DO, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, I THINK WITHOUT GOING THROUGH UNDOING EXPENSE, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA DO THAT BECAUSE VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE WHAT, WHAT THE CONCEPT IS FOR THE STOREFRONT AND THE APARTMENTS ABOVE IN THE BACK. OKAY. I HAVE NO, I, I MEAN, I JUST WANNA SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO BALANCE OUT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE DO YOU PLAN TO BLAST THOSE ROCKS OR STONE, THE, OR BOULDERS? NO, THE, THE, SO I'LL, LET ME, UM, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S BACK FAR ENOUGH THAT IT'S NOT, UM, THAT LARGE ROCK OUT CROPPING YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. YEAH. THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR PRESERVATION MM-HMM . IN THE REPORT. LEMME SEE. YEAH. SO I, I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T PUT TOGETHER A FULL ON SITE PLAN BECAUSE WHICH WILL BE REQUIRED, UH, AS, AS PART OF ANY SUBMISSION TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND OBVIOUSLY TO THE TOWN. BUT, UM, I KNOW, 'CAUSE WE DISCUSSED THIS PREVIOUSLY, THAT THE PROJECT SPONSOR AND THE TEAM WANTED TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS FIRST AND THEN ADVANCE. BUT, UM, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO WHAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YES, I KNOW WE KIND OF, THAT'S TOTALLY CORRECT. WE WANT TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS, UH, THE DIRECTION IS TO TOTALLY UNDERSTOOD FROM, FROM OUR END, FROM YOUR END, FROM OUR CLIENT END. AND, UM, THEN WE WILL START TO PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE ABOVE DRAWINGS AND, UH, SUBMISSIONS FOR THE TOWN AND THE PLANNING BOARD. AND, UM, BUT AT, YOU KNOW, AT, AT SOME POINT WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH THE BUILDING IN THE, IN FRONT AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WOULD BE. SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SPEND OUR TIME THERE. I THINK OUR TIME AS WESLEY SPENT DOING A LOT OF THIS RESEARCH AND KIND OF TRYING TO ABSOLUTELY. I, I TOTALLY AGREE. I DO KNOW THAT WE NEED TO MOVE ALONG. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF US, AND IF THE BOARD DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, ARMENIA, UM, CARL CORRI. ANNETTE, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. I JUST HAD ONE. I DO GO FOR IT. SO IF YOU COULD, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE BATES CUT AND SURVEY, UM, DONE BY CHARLES RILEY. THAT WAS PROVIDED AUGUST 20TH, 1988. IF YOU COULD TELL ME APPROXIMATELY, BASED OFF THAT SURVEY WHERE THIS BOULDER IN THE IMAGE IS LOCATED OR THIS OUTCROPPING, IT WOULD JUST GIVE ME A SENSE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S KIND OF IN THE LITTLE NESTLED AREA ALONG THE DIRT DRIVE, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S, UH, IN BETWEEN THE CHAPEL AND THAT FRAME SHED [01:05:01] OH, WITH A CONCRETE BLOCK. UM, ARE IT ALL IN A CORNER? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS CURRENT, WHAT OLDER VIEW? THAT FOLDER THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW? THAT, THAT ONE, YEAH. YEAH. YES. YEAH. SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S IN BETWEEN, UH, THE CONCRETE BLOCK GARAGE, UH, THAT'S, UH, FALLING APART AND THEN, AND THEN THE CHAPEL. SO IT'S LIKE RIGHT IN BETWEEN THERE. RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE THE, THE FIRE PIT WAS OR IS, OR WAS, UH, THINK THE FOUNTAIN, IT LOOKED LIKE, I THINK THEY USED IT. YEAH. YOU HAD A FIRE PIT AND THE FOUNTAIN UNDERNEATH THE YEAH, THERE WAS SOME KIND OF, OKAY. ON THE SURVEY, IT BETWEEN THE CHAPEL AND THE CONCRETE BLOCK GARAGE SLASH FRAME SHED, IT SAYS WIRES AND THEN A TREE. UH, MAYBE AT SOME POINT THERE WAS OVERHEAD WIRES. I, IS THAT THE AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST TO BE YES, CRYSTAL. EXACTLY RIGHT. THE WIRES IN THE TREE IN FRONT OF THE CHAPEL OR BEHIND IT. SO YOU COULD SEE THAT'S THE CHAPEL, RIGHT? THERE IS THE WINDOWS WITH THE STAINED, THE WINDOWS, THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS. THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE CHAPEL, SEE THE ROOF, AND WE'RE FURTHER BACK, FURTHER BACK. OKAY, GOT IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. GOT IT. IT'S, YEAH, SO IT'S, SO WE, WE PLAN ON KEEPING THE BOULDER, UM, THEY, IN THE REPORT THEY DID SAY THAT IT, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY, THERE WAS, UH, NATIVE AMERICANS THAT USED IT FOR SHELTER, RIGHT? YEAH. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A NICE FEATURE FOR THE PROPERTY. AND, AND THE CLIENT DID WANT TO, UH, RESTORE THE CONCRETE BLOCK GARAGE. THAT'S ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK. HE FELT THAT HE COULD REUSE IT, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NOT MUCH TO SALVAGE THERE. WE, WE WA WE, WE DID WANNA, UM, YOU KNOW, REBUILD THAT. OKAY, SO THIS IS THE ROOF RIGHT HERE. YOU SEE THE PEAK ROOF. SO THE BOULDER WOULD BE BACK IN HERE SOMEWHERE. UM, RIGHT. YEAH. SO, OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I THINK THERE WERE ONE LAST QUESTION. LIKE, HEY, ONE OR ONE OR TWO MORE QUESTIONS. OH, OH, YEAH, GO AHEAD. OKAY. ME? YES. SO, DID WE EVER DETERMINE AN AGE FOR THE HOUSE? I'M NOT SURE THAT I RECALL THAT. NO. UM, AND I ASKED BECAUSE DOING A RELATIVELY SIMPLE INTERNET SEARCH, ALL SORTS OF SOURCES POP UP, TYING THIS HOUSE TO ODELL AND LOYALIST RAIDS. MM-HMM . AND THE 18TH CENTURY, AND THE HISTORIC NAME OF OLD WHITE PLAINS ROAD, WHICH WAS PETTICOAT LANE AND HOW IT WAS NAMED BECAUSE OF AN INCIDENT THAT TOOK PLACE AT THE HOUSE. SO I, I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE I'VE SEEN THIS PARTICULAR ACME REPORT BEFORE NOW, BUT, UM, I'M WONDERING, IS THERE, WE WERE WAITING FOR SOME KIND OF TREE RING DATA. WE, WE, WE HAVE NOT, UM, RECEIVED ANYTHING. UM, WE, WE HAVE A EMAIL CORRESPONDENT, UM, WITH A PERSON THAT IS LOOKING TO DO IT. I THINK HE'S ABOUT TO SEND A PROPOSAL. IT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, OVER $4,000. OH, WOW. YEAH. SO WE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF HAVE THIS MEETING AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS THE NEXT STEPS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF GO FORWARD, THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE SENT THEM, UH MM-HMM. SO THEY CAN KIND OF EX, YOU KNOW, DATE A PIECE OF THIS. UH, WE'RE GOING TO, I THINK I SAID IN THE BEGINNING, THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF, THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS HERE TO, TO STRIP SOME OF THE FINISHES. AND I THINK IF WE GET THE OKAY, WE CAN GO IN THERE AND KIND OF CLEAN UP A FEW AREAS, CEILING AND GET A FLOORBOARD, GET ANYTHING THAT WE WANT TESTED AT THAT POINT. AND THEN WE CAN DATE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE, THE STRUCTURE, THE, UM, THE FLOORBOARDS AND ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT'S APPRECIATED. YEAH. SO WE'LL MAINTAIN COMMUNICATION. UM, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO DATE. AND OH, YES, YOU'VE BEEN FORWARDING ME, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION AS IT'S COME INTO YOU. SO THAT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD, UH, BASED OFF THE HISTORIC AMERICAN BUILDING SURVEY THAT WAS DONE FOR THE STAGECOACH STOP, UM, IT DOES INDICATE THAT WHILE THE ORIGINAL OWNER WAS NOT KNOWN, UH, THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED FROM THE COMMISSIONERS OF FORFEITURE IN 1786, SHOWN AS WILLIAM JEFFS UPON A MAP, 50 ACRES OF LAND WAS ACQUIRED BY JEFFS ALONG WITH THE HOUSE. SO I GUESS THE ORIGINAL, OBVIOUSLY THE, OBVIOUSLY THE PERSON BEFORE JEFFERS WAS A BRITISH LOYALIST, OR HAS WOULDN'T BE UP FOR FORFEITURE . RIGHT. SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL TALK REAL SOON, AARON. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. OKAY. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT NOW. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. BYE BYE. THANK YOU. OKAY. I, I WANNA QUICKLY, BEFORE I FORGET 'CAUSE I ALREADY DID, OUR, UH, RESUMES ARE DUE INTO AARON HOPEFULLY BY THE [01:10:01] END OF THIS WEEK, UM, BECAUSE THE STATE WE CANNOT AFFORD IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TO LOSE OUR CLG STATUS. AND SO IF YOU HAVEN'T TURNED IT IN, PLEASE, I FINALLY GOT MINE IN. SO I'M NOT ONE TO TALK. BUT, UM, YES. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I HAVE ANNETTE'S, I HAVE CARL'S, I HAVE ANNETTE'S AND I HAVE MADELINE'S. UM, YOU, OKAY. I'LL SEND, YOU HAVE THE, IT'S LIKE A, I SENT A TEMPLATE. OKAY. I SENT IT. IF YOU NEED ME TO RESEND, JUST EMAIL ME. BUT, UM, WRITE THE, THE REPORT OR LETTER OR THE EVALUATION WAS S SENT TO US ON JANUARY 15TH, AND WE HAVE 120, UH, WE'RE OVER IT. THEY, I THOUGHT WE HAD 120 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE LETTER. YES. SO THAT GIVES US, UM, UNTIL MID-MAY. NO, AND I WANT TO HAVE IT DONE WELL BEFORE THAT BECAUSE IF WE MISS SOMETHING, UM, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, SHIPPO RECOMMEND THAT CLG CERTIFICATION BE REVOKED, WHICH IS REFERENCED IN THE, IN THE EVALUATION. UM, THESE AREN'T BIG LIFTS AND I HAVE NOTES ON EVERYTHING. SO GETTING THE RESUMES IN, UM, DO YOU THINK WE COULD GET THOSE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK? YEAH, UH, I COULD HAVE IT MINE TO YOU BY FRIDAY. GREAT. AND THEN I'M JUST GONNA PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER. I HAVE SOME INFORMATION, UH, THAT GARRETT PROVIDED ME REGARDING, UH, THE ODELL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. THIS BOARD JUST ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR VOTED TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THIS EVENING AS WELL. SO I WANNA FORWARD THAT ALONG TO THEM WITH THIS, UH, RESPONSE. SO THANK YOU CHAIRPERSON AND OSHA, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME. UM, THERE'S A RESOLUTION, A FLOAT ON BETHEL KNOWLES. THE LETTER THAT ARMENIA AND, UH, MAYBE CARL PUT TOGETHER IS ABSOLUTELY SMASHING. IT IS, UH, LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY FROM A TEACHER'S POINT OF VIEW, IT'S BEAUTIFULLY NOTED. UM, BUT MR. LIEBERMAN WROTE A VERY NICE RESOLUTION THAT WE, I, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED, HE'LL READ IT TO US AND YOU CAN, UH, WE CAN DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. DO YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF THAT LETTER OR? HE DID A VERY NICE JOB, . I WISH I KEPT IT WORKING OFF A PRIOR VERSION, BUT I CAN RECITE IT FOR THE BOARD. SO WITH RESPECT TO BETHEL KNOLL'S, UH, STAFF, I'LL SAY, GENERATED A DRAFT RESOLUTION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, RESOLUTION TWO, WHICH I'LL CIRCULATE TO THE BOARD, UM, AND TO MR. LIEBERMAN AS WELL. THAT. SO, UH, THIS IS RESOLUTION TWO ON THE ATTACHED DOCUMENT, WHICH STATES, UH, RESOLVED THAT THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD. THE BOARD RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THAT THE TOWN BOARD REQUIRE THE BETHEL KNOLLS PROJECT APPLICANT TO INCORPORATE THE EXISTING 1870S ITALIANATE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 55 GRASSLANDS ROAD, PO VAL HALLA, NEW YORK, WHICH CURRENTLY IS SLATED FOR DEMOLITION INTO A REVISED PROPOSAL FOR EXPANSION OF ITS FACILITIES ON THE SUBJECT SITE FOR PURPOSES OF PRESERVING THE AFOREMENTIONED STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP THE RESOLUTIONS. WE ALSO HAVE THE LETTER THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION AS WELL WITH SOME OF THE HISTORY. THAT WAS WELL DONE AS CHAIRPERSON OSHA MENTIONED BY CARL AND ARMINIA. IT WAS ARMINIA. OH, ARMINIA I DOTTED I'S AND CROSSED. GOT IT. THANK YOU. ARMINIA. DID ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE RESOLUTION? VERY GOOD. MAY WE THEN HAVE A MOTION? YES. WAIT, WAIT. ONE QUICK, QUICK QUESTION. SURE. DOES THIS THING GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO, TO TEAR DOWN THAT HOUSE? NO. THIS SPECIFICALLY IS THE OPPOSITE, RIGHT? YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT THE TOWN BOARD REQUIRE THEM TO RE RE RETAIN IT, PRESERVE IT. PRESERVE IT, YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER PLACE LIKE THIS? WE'VE GOT LIKE FIVE OF THEM IN THE TOWN. THEY'RE VACANT. HALF OF THEM. DO YOU MEAN, UM, RESIDENTS, THIS TYPE OF RESIDENCE? SO, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT'S [01:15:01] REPRESENTATIVES ON, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THROUGH ITS PRESENTATIONS TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, IN ORDER TO STAY COMPETITIVE IN THE MARKET, THEY ARE SEEKING THE ADDITIONAL INDEPENDENT LIVING UNITS. THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE PUT TOGETHER INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN AGING POPULATION AND AN, AND A NEED FOR, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST, I I'M GETTING ANNOYED WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE AND I SEE THEM ON TV CONSTANTLY. MM-HMM . THE AVERAGE PERSON, ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA AND IN THAT SIZE PROPERTY, WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO AFFORD $9,000 A MONTH RENT AND THEN PAY FOR ALL THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED. WHY DON'T THEY JUST, WHY CAN'T THEY MAKE LIKE A LOWER INCOME BRACKET? IT WOULD BE PACKED. THEY'D HAVE A LINE OUTSIDE WAITING TO GET IN. RIGHT. SO THAT'S NOT THEIR PROPOSAL, UM, BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD AT THIS TIME. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY, AND I, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP AS I UNDERSTAND IT NOW. UM, AND I WANTED TO GIVE THIS UPDATE. I ACTUALLY HAD IT IN MY NOTES. SO THE APPLICANT, UM, RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, IN MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD. UH, I SHOULD SAY THE TOWN BOARD RECEIVED A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. THE APPLICANT OBTAINED A COPY AND IS IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING SOME SORT OF FOLLOW UP SUBMISSION TO THE TOWN BOARD. THEY MET WITH THE TOWN BOARD, I WANT TO SAY THE SAME NIGHT THAT WE HAD OUR MEETING IN FEBRUARY AND HAVE NOT YET MET AGAIN WITH THE TOWN BOARD. THE EXPECTATION, UH, OF STAFF IS THAT THEY WILL BE SUBMITTING WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD. AND THIS BOARD, THE HISTORIC BOARD MAY WANT TO ASSIGN A POINT PERSON OR POINT PEOPLE TO ATTEND THAT PUBLIC HEARING AND SPEAK AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE HISTORIC BOARD. I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE. IT'S NOT A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY. UM, THE HOUSE IS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS. MM-HMM . THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE FACILITIES THERE NOW FOR PEOPLE THAT IS, THAT IT'S AFFORDABLE. YOU WANNA PUT IN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT COMMENT FOR THE TOWN BOARD. THERE'S NOTHING, I MEAN, I CAN'T DO ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DON'T, YOU'RE OBJECTING TO THE USE OF THE BUILDING OR THAT YOU DON'T CARE WHETHER IT STAYS OR NOT? NO, I DON'T WANNA SEE THE HOUSE TOMORROW. OKAY. THAT'S A, THAT'S A DEFINITION. DO YOU SUPPORT THE RESOLUTION? YES. OKAY. AND I DON'T, I WOULD WANT, I DON'T WANNA SEE THAT PORTION OF IT. SURE. AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT THIS INDICATES. PERSONALLY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANOTHER BRIGHTVIEW OR ATRIA MM-HMM . IN THE TOWN. OKAY. WE NEED MORE SOMETHING THAT'S THE RESIDENTS OF THE GREEN OF GREENBURG. MM-HMM . CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD TO GO THERE IF THEY HAVE TO GO INTO A PLACE LIKE THAT. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. AND THE SAME WAY WITH AN APARTMENT. AND THEN I LEAVE THAT TO YOU, YOU MAY BE THE POINT PERSON ON THAT, ON THAT, UM, IDEA OR THAT ISSUE. THE LAST TIME I WENT BEFORE THAT ZONING BOARD, PLANNING BOARD, I GOT ONE. NO, NO, NO. THIS IS DIFFERENT. THIS IS THE TOWN BOARD. I, I, I , WHICH IS WORSE. I KNOW. YES. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, ED, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE STUCK WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. OKAY. UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION? I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RELU RESOLUTION TO SAVE. MAY I HAVE A SECOND? YES, SECOND. ONE SECOND. OKAY. CARL, CARL A MILLISECOND AHEAD OF ARMINIA. JUST FOR THE RECORD. OH, OKAY. BUT THE KENTUCKY DERBY ISN'T UNTIL MAY 2ND. UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE. AYE, AYE, AYE. AND THE CHAIR VOTES? AYE. WE WAITING OR I'LL CHECK. YEAH. 'CAUSE UM, WE HAVE GEMAN. WE HAVE GEMAN. OKAY. SO THAT WAS APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. AND NOW I'D LIKE TO GET ONTO GEMAN AND THEY'RE REPRESENTATIVE IF POSSIBLE. YES. SO WE HAVE THEM ON ZOOM, AND I KNOW WE DO HAVE, UH, MS. SHEEN HERE AS WELL FROM THE PUBLIC THAT, UM, DID ATTEND THE SITE VISIT. SO A QUICK UPDATE FROM STAFF, I SHOULD SAY. WE, WE STAFF APPRECIATES [01:20:01] THE TIME THAT BOARD MEMBERS TOOK TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT TO THE PROPERTY. AND WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE, THE APPLICANT'S TEAM WAS ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE BOARD AHEAD OF THIS MEETING TONIGHT. UM, IT WAS INFORMATIONAL HELPFUL. WE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL PHOTOS, UM, CONTEXT AND, UH, WE EVEN HAD A REPRESENTATIVE FROM OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, OUR DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR, AS WELL AS OUR FIRST DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY PRESENT FOR THE MEETING. SO JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY SAY, AND PARKS AND REC, DON'T FORGET PARKS AND REC . I APPRECIATE THAT. AS WELL AS THE COMMISSIONER OF PARKS AND RECREATION. UH, OBVIOUSLY THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY THE HEARTS BROOK, UH, PRESERVED. SO WITH THAT SAID, I WANTED TO TURN THINGS OVER TO THE APPLICANT. I I DO SEE THAT WE HAVE, UH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR LESLIE HOOT ON WHO IS AT THE, UH, SITE VISIT. SO, WELCOME LESLIE AND, UH, PERHAPS THANK YOU. PERHAPS OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TEAM. YEAH. HI, THIS IS ED PUO. UH, I'M WITH NIXON PEABODY. WE'RE THE ATTORNEYS FOR, UH, MARION WOODS. OKAY. AND WAS MR. MILLER OR ANYONE FROM HIS OFFICE ATTENDING THIS EVENING? JUST ASKING STEVE MILLER FROM BAY WATSON. OKAY, GREAT. AND MR. MILLER WAS ON THE SITE VISIT AS WELL, SO, WELL, DID YOU, DID THE TEAM HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR BOARD, FOR THE BOARD OR STAFF AT THIS TIME? OR WERE YOU JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION? WE, WELL, UH, LESLIE, I, I DON'T WANNA STEP ON YOUR TOES. NO, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD, ED. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. UH, I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT WE'RE IN OPPOSITION OF ANY DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY AS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE PRESERVATION STATUS. AND IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE VISITED THE PROPERTY NOW, SO YOU'RE AWARE, AND I'M PERHAPS PREACHING TO THE CHOIR, BUT THE PROPERTY SUFFERED A SIGNIFICANT CASUALTY A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. UH, IT, YOU KNOW, SUSTAINED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE. AND IN THE COURSE OF REMEDIATING, UH, THE FLOODING IN THE BASEMENT, THERE STILL CONTINUES TO EXIST A MOLD PROBLEM AS WELL AS SOME STRUCTURAL SOUNDNESS ISSUES. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO EMPHASIZE, MY CLIENT HAS TAKEN SIGNIFICANT STEPS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO FACILITATE THIS DEMOLITION. UH, THE DEMOLITION PERMIT APPLICATION IS, IS RATHER AGED AT THIS POINT. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, UM, MARION WOODS, WHICH IS A RELIGIOUS NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION, SPENT CLOSE TO $200,000 JUST IN ASBESTOS REMEDIATION IN PREPARATION FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THIS STRUCTURE. AND THAT'S ON TOP OF THE ENGINEERING, THE SCOPE OF WORK, UH, THE ACTUAL DEMOLITION COSTS, UH, AND OF COURSE MY LEGAL FEES. BUT IN ORDER TO ENSURE THE CONTINUED FINANCIAL VIABILITY, UM, OF THE HOME FOR THESE AGED SISTERS, IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT THIS MOVE FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IT, IT'S ALREADY BECOMING EXTREMELY BURDENSOME. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE TEAM. I APPRECIATE, THANK YOU. UH, SO DO YOU HAVE, OR DOES THE TEAM HAVE A COST ESTIMATE ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE GRADING AND WHATNOT TO BRING IT TO GRADE AS WELL AS DECONSTRUCTION OF THE STRUCTURE? NOW, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THE CALL THE ENTIRE EVENING, BUT THERE, IN A PRIOR CASE WE TALKED ABOUT DECONSTRUCTION AND IN FACT, IT WAS IN ONE OF THE, UM, CONSULTANTS' REPORTS FOR A PRIOR PROJECT. SO I JUST HAD THOSE TWO QUESTIONS, I SHOULD SAY. DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? UH, I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO MR. MILLER ON THAT, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN ON THE CALL. AND IRONICALLY, I, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THIS IS IN FACT, UH, THE DEFINITION OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE FOR SENIORS OF THE TOWN. RIGHT? THESE ARE SISTERS LIVING IN THE CONVENT ON THIS PROPERTY. NOT, OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THIS STRUCTURE, UH, BUT ON THIS PROPERTY WHO ARE NOT PAYING $9,000 A MONTH. IN FACT, UH, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL, UH, ON SOCIAL SECURITY. THOSE ARE THE LIMITS TO THEIR FUNDS FOR HOUSING AND CONTINUED CARE. OKAY. MR. MILLER, UM, LESLIE, YOU'LL HAVE TO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I HAD, I I BELIEVE THAT THE DEMOTION COST IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $200,000. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, THE, [01:25:01] THE PER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE APPLICATION FOR THE PERMITS, THE, UM, REVIEW BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THE REVIEW BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF WHICH IT, YOU KNOW, FALLS UNDER A, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF FEES INVOLVED. I MEAN SURE. RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, I'M SORRY. NO, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH, THAT'S LIKE THE STRUCTURAL REMOVAL. UM, BUT WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO ESTIMATE FOR DECONSTRUCTING, BECAUSE THAT WAS NEVER, NEVER A CONSIDERATION FOR MARION WOODS. THEY, THEY WERE GONNA REMOVE THE BUILDING AND, AND BE DONE WITH IT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PURPOSE, WHAT, WHAT DO THEY GAIN FROM REMOVING OR DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING AND MAKING A GRASS LAWN? THEY DON'T GET MONEY. NO. IT, IT'S, IT'S A SIMILAR APPROACH AS YOU WOULD TAKE, I THINK WITH ANY STRUCTURE AFTER A SIGNIFICANT CASUALTY, WHEN THE RESTORATION COSTS EXCEED THE VALUE THAT CAN BE GAINED FROM THE PROPERTY. OKAY. THEN I'LL ASK ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU HAVE TO HELP ME. UM, AARON, MANY YEARS AGO NOW, UM, H AND LPB SENT THE SISTERS AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS A LETTER SUGGESTING THAT IF WE COULD LANDMARK IT WITH THEIR PERMISSION, THERE WERE GRANTS, ET CETERA, TO BE USED TO BE FOUND THAT COULD BE USED TO REHAB THE HOUSE. AND THEN IF THE SISTERS WANTED TO USE IT, THEY COULD USE IT AND SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, AN ENVIRONMENTAL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HARTSBURG IS ALL ABOUT. AN ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP COULD SAY, TAKE THE BOTTOM FLOOR OR TAKE THE THIRD FLOOR, AND THE SISTERS COULD USE THE REST. ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT WE NEVER GOT AN ANSWER TO OUR LETTER, ALTHOUGH IT WAS RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED, UM, I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT COULDN'T BE LANDMARKED AND REHABBED. SO, TO, TO JUST EDUCATE US ALL ON WHAT MARION WOODS IS. WE'RE AN ADULT CARE FACILITY LICENSED BY NEW YORK STATE. WE HAVE 50 ROOMS, WHICH OFFERS SISTERS WHO'VE TAKEN A VALVE POVERTY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETIRE IN BEAUTIFUL LIVING CONDITIONS. AND YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME TO COME VISIT MARION WOOD'S HOME. I'D BE HAPPY TO SHOW YOU AROUND. THANK YOU. I HAD THAT PRIVILEGE. RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE POPULATION IS AGING, ELDERLY SISTERS, THE, OUR GROUP IS BE, OUR GROUP IS SMALLER AND SMALLER. CURRENTLY OUR CENSUS IS 42, AND WE'RE STRUGGLING TO BRING MORE SISTERS IN. SO INSTEAD OF GROWING, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIND CREATIVE WAYS TO BRING HELP INTO THE SISTERS SO THAT THEY CAN AGE IN PLACE AND DIE PEACEFULLY. UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING A MANAGED LONG-TERM CARE COMPANY, AND THAT'S THROUGH MEDICAID TO COME IN AND SERVICE THE SISTERS. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE LANDSCAPE OF MARMION WOODS AS A HOME AND WHY A MANSION THAT IS IN HORRIFIC CONDITION, QUITE HONESTLY, WE WOULD REALLY STRUGGLE ON HOW TO AFFORD TO KEEP IT WHERE IT IS AND KEEP IT . BUT NOBODY IS ASKING YOU TO DO THAT. YOU COULD, IT COULD BE, UM, GIVEN TO THE STATE WHICH OWNS HALF OF, UH, HARTS BROOK, THE COUNTY, WHICH OWNS A QUARTER, AND A TOWN WHICH OWNS A QUARTER. AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AT ALL. AFTER ALL, IT IS ALMOST TOTALLY SURROUNDED BY THE PARK. I, I THINK, IN OTHER WORDS, WE, WE, IT COULD BE TAKEN OFF, IT COULD BE TAKEN OFF YOUR HANDS. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE $2,200,000 DEMO, UH, DEMO BILL. I HAVE NO EARTHLY IDEA WHAT DECONSTRUCTION COSTS, BUT IT COSTS PROBABLY AS MUCH, AND IT PROBABLY WOULD. AND I KNOW IT WOULD REQUIRE THE SISTERS SELLING OR GIVING AWAY THE FLOORBOARDS, THE FIREPLACES, THE TRIM, EVERYTHING THAT WAS DECONSTRUCTED THAT WOULD FALL TO THE SISTERS. BUT IF YOU GAVE IT TO THE STATE OR THE COUNTY, IT WOULD BE OFF YOUR HANDS. THEY'D HAVE TO DO THE ELECTRICITY. THEY'D, WE'D HAVE TO DO THE AIR CONDITIONING [01:30:01] AND THE REHAB AS THE GRANTS CAME. DO YOU HAVE A, THIS IS STEVE MILLER. I MEAN, DO, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THE COST OF REHABILITATING THAT BUILDING WOULD BE FOR THE TOWN, COUNTY STATE? YES, I DO. CARL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO HELP ME? COR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HELP ME? SO WHAT'S THE QUESTION? , APPROXIMATELY COST TO RESTORE, WHAT'S THE COST TO REHABILITATE IT? UH, HOW MANY HAVE TO, UH, HOW MANY SQUARE FOOT IN THE BUILDING IS THE MR. MILLER? DO YOU HAVE I I COULDN'T HEAR HIM. UH, I SAID APPROXIMATE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE STRUCTURE. UM, HOLD ON. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, YOU CAN ROUGH IT OUT BY A YEAH. SQUARE. WE NEED SOMETHING IN FRONT OF ME. GIMME, EXCUSE ME. YOU MUST HAVE HAD A FLOOR, THE BUILDING PERMIT OR SOMETHING. . YEAH. SEE, THE THING IS, I, I WAS LOOKING UP REAL QUICK AND, AND THE CHAIR CHAIRWOMAN ASKED ME IF, UM, IS ANY SORT OF VALUATION ON THE STRUCTURE. UM, BUT I, I, YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OLDER TAX ROLLS. IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 18,000 SQUARE FEET. IF I'M ASSUMING 18,000. THIS IS THE, THE RIGHT REFERENCE. YEAH. THAT, THAT, THAT THE FOOTPRINT IS ABOUT 10,000. SO 18, 18,000. SO TWO FLOORS OR THREE FLOORS? IT'S THREE FLOORS. THERE GO. SHOULD BE, THERE'S A BA A FINISHED BASEMENT, I BELIEVE. NO BASEMENT'S NOT FINISHED. NO, IT'S NOT. IT'S UNFINISHED. BUT THERE'S A FIREPLACE, RIGHT? THE BASEMENT, I BELIEVE. YEAH. BUT IT'S UNFINISHED. SO YEAH, IT'S JUST, UH, OTHER UTILITIES AND OTHER STUFF. SO IT YEAH, IT WOULD BE QUITE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF MONEY, UH, CLOSE TO AROUND, UH, EIGHT. I BE AROUND, UH, BETWEEN FIVE TO $8 MILLION I THINK AROUND THAT, BASED ON HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE? SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THERE? $38 MILLION. HUH? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOT? BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGES THAT YOU TOLD ME OF, OF HOW MUCH, BECAUSE WE WERE KIND, WHICH IS, WE KIND OF SAVED, UH, 18. RIGHT. THEY WERE SAYING YOU WENT OFF 18,018. I JUST ROUNDED UP TO 200. TO TO 20,000. 20,000. CORRECT. OKAY. BASED ON 20,000 SQUARE FEET. YEAH. AND, UH, IT'S A $200, APPROXIMATELY 150 TO 200. SO WE'LL BE AROUND 4 MILLION. THREE TO 4 MILLION. OKAY. SO I'LL JUST LET US TO BRING IT TO, UH, UM, NOT, NOT COMPLETELY ALL THE ELEMENTS AND I UNDERSTAND IT. YEAH. SO YOU CAN SAY FOUR TO $6 MILLION PROBABLY IF YOU WANNA DROP IT UP, IF IT'S A 20,000 SQUARE FEET. SO, OKAY. BUT THAT WOULD BE LIKE A COMPLETELY CUT. I UNDERSTAND. SO, BUT THE WHOLE THING, THE WHOLE THING WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DONE AT ONE TIME. RIGHT. IT COULD ACTUALLY BECOME A CENTER OF WHAT I SAID BEFORE, THE LIKE, LOGICAL, LOGICAL, LOGICAL. YEAH. I, I DON'T KNOW THE, UH, THAT WOULD WANNA PARTICIPATE, TAKE CLASSES, THEY COULD PAY OUR RESIDENT OR ARCHITECT SPEAK. I, I THINK, UH, IT, IT'S PRETTY, UH, UH, CONSIDERING THAT, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT AT THE END OF THE RESTORATION UHHUH , IT'S A, UH, IT'S, IT'S A, UH, VERY REASONABLE, AND I THINK IT CAN BE. YEAH, I THINK IT, IT COULD BE. I, I THINK IT COULD BE VERY USEFUL TOOL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. AND CONSIDERING THE OELL HOUSE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH GOT, SO LET'S SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT. SO YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE APPROXIMATE COST THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED. DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION? UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WOULD HAVE WITH THE CONCEPT OF DEEDING IT AWAY, RIGHT, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE AND PERHAPS THE SUPREME COURT, WHICH I THINK IS REQUIRED FOR DISPOSITION OF RELIGIOUS PROPERTY, UH, IS THE TIMING FOR THIS, BECAUSE THE MOLD PROBLEM WILL NOT GET ANY BETTER. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE REQUEST OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN TAPED OFF WITH CAUTION TAPE, [01:35:01] BUT IT IS STILL IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO ALL THE HIKING TRAILS THROUGH THE PRESERVE. MM-HMM . CORRECT. SO IF THE TRANSFER WERE TO TAKE, LET'S SAY 18 MONTHS, THE THE SISTERS ARE GONNA BE EXPOSED DURING THAT PERIOD FOR, YOU KNOW, ANYONE MISUSING THE PROPERTY COMING IN AT NIGHT, IT CANNOT BE SECURED. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALREADY GOT THE BOARDED UP WINDOWS AND CAUTION TAPE. AND, AND FRANKLY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE DESCRIBING IS A BLIGHT MORE THAN A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. GOOD QUESTION. UM, SO THERE WAS A SUBDIVISION PROPOSAL A FEW YEARS AGO, LET'S SAY THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO, TO SUBDIVIDE OFF APPROXIMATELY A ONE ACRE PIECE FROM THE 11 ACRE PARCEL, UH, TO CONVERT THIS STRUCTURE TO, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND, AND OBVIOUSLY SELL IT OFF. UM, HAS THERE BEEN IN THE ENSUING FOUR YEARS TO ANYONE'S KNOWLEDGE, UM, YOU KNOW, UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO THE STRUCTURE? I, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT. I I WOULD NOT WANT TO. SO, TRISH, I RIGHT. I DON'T WANNA PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, I THINK, RIGHT. I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT WE NEED, UH, HELLO. THIS IS TRISH GATHERS. I'M THE CEO OF THE CARMELITE SYSTEM. SO WE'RE, UH, WORKING WITH, UM, MARION WOODS. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, OUR SISTERS ARE SPONSORING BECAUSE, UM, THE OTHER CONGREGATIONS, UM, AS THE CARMELITE SISTERS FOR THE AGE AND FIRM, TO CONTINUE TO SPONSOR THIS MINISTRY, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON WHY THEY WERE TRYING TO DO THAT AT THAT TIME WAS BECAUSE THE SISTERS WERE HAVING ENOUGH TROUBLE JUST TO REPLACE THE ROOF AND OTHER, UM, THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE REPAIRED ON THAT PROPERTY. SO THEY WERE TRYING TO DO A CAPITAL RAISE BY, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING SOMETHING TO TRY TO POSITION THAT PROPERTY FOR A, UM, A, A PRIVATE HOMEOWNER TO COME IN. RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ALSO REMEMBER, WE HAVE 50 NUNS WHO ARE USED TO LIVING WITH GREAT PRIVACY AND, YOU KNOW, UM, NEED, NEED TO HAVE THAT PRIVACY. THEY HAVE A SWIMMING POOL THAT'S NEAR THERE. THAT IS, YES. UM, YES. YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT WE ALSO HAVE TO RESPECT THE, THE THEME OF THAT. UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE NOT GRANTED THAT, UM, ABILITY. SO, UM, IT, IT, IT WAS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT WAS WITHDRAWN. IT WAS WITHDRAWN. OKAY. IT WASN'T DENIED. WELL, I, I THINK IT WAS LIKE, NOT PROCEEDING, I'M SORRY. 'CAUSE I'M JUST KIND OF COMING INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MM-HMM . LATE. I UNDERSTAND. BUT, UM, THE OTHER ONE THAT I AM VERY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE I, I AM INVOLVED IN DOING RENOVATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, UM, $200 PER SQUARE FOOT WITH MOLD AND, UH, POTENTIAL OTHER REMEDIATION DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S ENOUGH OF AN ESTIMATE. I'M USED TO, ESPECIALLY WITH THE UNIONIZED ENVIRONMENT IN NEW YORK. I, I'M USED TO HEARING 400 TO $600 PER SQUARE FOOT. AND SO I'M, I'M, AND THAT'S JUST TO DO A REGULAR RENOVATION. DO, DO WE KNOW, I'M NOT SURE, AARON, THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING MONEY? NO. UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT A ROUGH ESTIMATE. YOU KNOW, WE, OKAY. I MEAN, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT, IT, IT, WE ASKED THE APPLICANT INITIALLY, AND MR. MILLER HADN'T. ALRIGHT, THAT'S FINE. YOU KNOW, SO WE ASKED, UH, MR. DE DECIDE TO PROVIDE A ROUGH ESTIMATE. BY NO MEANS IS THAT PEN TO PAPER AND, YOU KNOW, CHISELED IN STONE. UH, OBVIOUSLY THE COSTS COULD BE MORE THAN THAT. UM, BUT THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, SO WE WANTED TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, A RESPONSE WITHIN ONE MINUTE OF BEING ASKED THE QUESTION. , UH, ALSO WHEN YOU SAY IT'S GONNA COST YOU ONLY 200,000 TO DEMOLISH OR DECOM, UH, CONSTRUCT DECONSTRUCTED, AND IF YOU CONSIDER THAT'S A RE REASONABLE, THEN TO GET TO THE $600 A SQUARE FEET SOUNDS LIKE A LEAP OF FAITH. OKAY. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS WELL. WELL, I, I, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S JUST SOMETHING FOR THE VIABILITY OF WHETHER YOU CAN ACCESS A GRANT. I'M, I'M REALLY SKEPTICAL. 'CAUSE I, I, I, I, I JUST, I KNOW THAT, THAT WE, WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN, YOU KNOW, PLACES WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MINISTERIAL PURPOSE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, AND THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. AND I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THINGS THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO, UM, ELDERLY WHO ARE IMPOVERISHED. AND SO, UM, I I, I, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CHECK THAT, THAT CALCULATION. 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S GONNA BE THREE TIMES MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE ESTIMATED. UM, MY, I HAVE, PLEASE DO, PLEASE DO. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THAT BASED ON MS. TRISHA'S, UM, COMMENTS, DOES THE, [01:40:01] DO BOTH ORDERS PLAN TO TAKE IN OTHER THAN SISTERS IN THEIR, IN THEIR, UM, FACILITY? OR IS THIS GO OR, OR THEIR, OR IS JUST GOING TO BE THE SISTERS? UH, YEAH. AM I STILL ON? CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES. YEAH. OKAY. UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S, UM, THE FIRST THING IS OUR FIRST PRIORITY IS TO PRIORITIZE AND HAVING SISTERS CONTINUE TO BE SERVED THERE. BUT OF COURSE, THE SISTERS HAVE THE VISION THAT ONCE THEY ARE DONE WITH THE UTILIZATION AND WE ARE STARTING TO REACH OUT TO OTHER CONGREGATIONS. SO WE ORIGINALLY ONLY HAD FOUR CONGREGATIONS THAT CAME TOGETHER TO TAKE CARE OF THE AGED RELIGIOUS. AND, UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY, UM, A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE COUNTRY TODAY, IS THAT THERE ARE MANY CONGREGATIONS THAT, UM, DO NOT, CANNOT AFFORD TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY TAKE CARE OF THEIR SISTERS AND THEIR OLD MOTHER HOUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT IS THE FIRST PRIORITY. SO WHEN WE WERE SAYING WE WERE DOWN TO 42, THAT'S NOW WE'RE READY TO START TO OFFER UP TO OTHER CONGREGATIONS IN THE NEW YORK AREA. MANY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BUILT THE EDUCATION SYSTEM AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE SISTERS FIRST. BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE THE PROPER STEWARDSHIP IS TO TAKE CARE OF THE AGE RELIGIOUS, BUT IT IS ALSO TO UNBURDEN THAT PROPERTY SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE MAJOR COSTS IN THAT AREA SO THAT WE CAN REPOSITION IT TO TAKE CARE OF, UM, THE, THE ELDERLY. AND I CAN TELL YOU AS THE CEO OF THE CARBONITE SYSTEM, I KNOW THAT THAT IS OUR INTENTION, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE FIVE, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. BUT IT IS GOING TO BE MAINTAINED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY OF THE RELIGIOUS, NOT THE OUTSIDE COMMUNITY. AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT? NO, I, I, ONCE IT BECOMES AVAILABLE THAT WE'RE DONE USING IT FOR THE AGE RELIGIOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE COMPLETE PROJECTIONS AS TO WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT THERE IS, THERE IS THAT PLAN. BUT OUR FIRST PRIORITY IS TO TAKE CARE OF THE AGE RELIGIOUS. THERE ARE MANY AGE RELIGIOUS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, NEED TO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITUATION. AND OFTEN WHEN THEY START TO BECOME CHRONICALLY ILL, AND THAT'S WHY IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HEAR WHAT LESLIE WAS SAYING WITH THE MLTC, UM, BECAUSE MANY OF THESE SISTERS, UM, THEY DO NEED, THEY DO NEED, UM, SUPPORTS AND THEY CAN'T LIVE IN THEIR MOTHER HOUSES WITH THE STEPS AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE OTHER, OTHER COMPONENTS. SO IT IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT IN PARTICULAR IN NEW YORK. UM, AND SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT, UM, AS WE CONTINUE TO PROCEED. AND, AND THAT'S WHERE THE GOOD THING IS. THERE'S MULTIPLE UNITS THERE SO THAT IF WE NEED TO IN TIME, UM, THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, VACANCY AND, UM, THE SISTERS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, WE PROPERLY MET THE DEMAND OF THE SISTERS, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD START TO LOOK TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHY THOSE FOUR CONGREGATIONS CAME TO THE CARMELITE SYSTEM FOR THE AGED AND FIRM TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE FIRST TO OUR SISTERS. AND THEN SECONDLY TO, UM, THE LARGER COMMUNITY ONCE WE'RE AT THAT POINT THAT WE CAN DO SO, SO CURRENTLY ONLY MEMBERS OF THE RELIGIOUS ORDER OR LIVING THERE. AND THAT'S RIGHT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE AGE THE SISTERS ARE USED TO LIVING IN CONVENTS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEIR TIME TO PRAY AND LIVE IN COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR MASSES. AND SO, UM, AND THIS GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT AND TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE PRIVACY AND EVERYTHING ELSE, UM, THAT SURE. THAT REALLY THEY GREATLY DESERVE. SO IT'S NOT CURRENTLY OPEN AS A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY FOR ANYBODY ELSE? NO, NO. BUT THE BYLAWS OF THE RELIGIOUS CORPORATION REQUIRE THAT ANY OPEN BEDS FIRST BE OFFERED TO SISTERS OF THE SAME ORDER. AND IF NONE ARE AVAILABLE, THEN TO SISTERS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IN GENERAL, AND ONLY THEN IF NONE ARE AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. BUT WE'RE, WE HAVE NOT REACHED THE POINT WHERE ANYONE, UH, WHO IS NOT A MEMBER OF ONE OF THE ORDERS, UM, IS RESIDENT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. DID THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ASK, UM, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA PUT MY CLIENTS IN THE WORST POSSIBLE POSITION. IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT THE PROPERTY BASED ON THE SITE VISITS AND THE DETERMINATIONS OF, UH, THE TOWN OFFICIALS, IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT THE PROPERTY QUALIFIES AS BEING IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR TODAY MM-HMM . I WOULD JUST POINT OUT TO THE BOARD [01:45:01] THAT UNDER THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND LANDMARK SECTION OF THE CODE OPERATING OR, OR HAVING A PROPERTY WITH A DESIGNATION THAT'S IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR IMMEDIATELY PUTS YOU IN A CRIMINAL POSITION OR AT LEAST A, A, A CIVIL UH, VIOLATION. OKAY. SO LET ME, LET ME JUMP IN REAL QUICK. UH, AND CHAIRPERSON OCHE FEEL FREE, BUT, UM, IN DIRECT DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, UH, THAT OFFICE, AND WE ARE SEEKING DOCUMENTATION TO THIS EFFECT 'CAUSE IT WAS JUST VERBAL, BUT THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT WHILE THERE OBVIOUSLY WAS FLOOD DAMAGE AND SOME, UH, AND MOLD IN THE INTERIOR, UH, THE STRUCTURE HAS SOUND BONES. I'M SORRY, TRUCTURE IS WHAT STRUCTURALLY SOUND. OKAY. IF, IF AND WHEN WE DO GET SOMETHING IN WRITING, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY SHARE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROJECT TEAM. WE'D APPRECIATE IT. SURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? I HAVE HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, AARON, BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A HISTORIC CORRIDOR ALONG RIDGE ROAD WITH ODELL COMING UP TO SPEED. COULD YOU GET US A PRICE OF WHAT ODELL IS COSTING, BECAUSE THAT WAS IN MUCH WORSE REPAIR THAN THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE. AND IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW. IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER OF COURSE, BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ODELL IS RUNNING. I'LL, I'LL ASK, I CAN ASK MR. TILLEY'S OFFICE WHAT THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. SO WE HAVE THAT NUMBER, BUT IT'S NOT A PROPER COMPARISON. IT IT IS NOT. NO, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT LOT, LOT MORE, UH, UH, HISTORICAL AND, AND, AND THE TIMEFRAME THAT IT WAS BUILT YES. IS, IS IS A VERY, VERY, IS THERE, IT'S A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT TO UH, GET SIMILAR MATERIALS RESTORED TO THE, UH, SORT OF PRE-REVOLUTIONARY TIME. AND THIS THING IS LAST CENTURY. AND I THINK ONE THING I WANNA ADD IS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GIVES A 20% CREDIT ON A CONSTRUCTION COST. SO THAT BASICALLY COMES OUT TO BE ABOUT THE SAME AS THE PREMIUM YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR RESTORING, UH, RECENT HISTORICAL BUILDINGS. DO THEY HAVE TO BE LANDMARKED THOUGH? OF COURSE. I JUST WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, THE FEDERAL HISTORIC TAX CREDIT. MM-HMM . WELL WE HAVE CG STATUS, SO THIS BUILDING CAN BE LANDMARKED. YEAH. EASILY, I THINK EASILY. MM-HMM . AND IT WOULD NOT NEED TOO MUCH OF A, UH, IN RESEARCH AND OTHER STUFF BECAUSE IT'S COMPARATIVELY, UH, RECENT ONE. AND THEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION ALREADY. ALREADY. YES. OH YES. THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, AND THEN THERE IS ALSO STATE CREDIT FOR IT. SO I THINK THEY, THEY SHOULD REALLY, UH, DO THAT. AND THEN, BUT THEY DIDN'T, WE, THE OFFER WAS GIVEN TO THEM FOR, UH, HISTORIC CONSIDERATION. RIGHT. THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT WAS, IT. SOUNDS LIKE THEY'VE GOT, WELL, THAT CAME UP A LITTLE WHILE AGO, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE SOME NEWER PLAYERS FROM THE APPLICANT'S TEAM. SO IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A LETTER SENT FOUR YEARS AGO. I HAVE NO IDEA IF ANY OF YOU ON THIS CALL, I'VE SEEN THAT LETTER, UH, THAT WENT UNRESPONDED. IF YOU'D LIKE MY OFFICE TO FORWARD IT TO YOU, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SO. YEAH, I HAVE NOT SEEN IT. SO IF YOU COULD FORWARD THE, UH, THE LETTER, THAT'D BE HELPFUL. I BELIEVE IT WAS A 2022 LETTER. I'LL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. MR. LIEBERMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT? NO. THAT YOUR, IT'S ENTIRELY WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I'LL, I'LL SEND THE LETTER TO, BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO HAVE, UM, MS. HOOTS AND MR. MILLER'S EMAIL, I'LL SEND IT TO THEM. I THINK I MAY HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT, BUT I, I'LL DO IT AGAIN SO THAT THEY CAN FORWARD TO THE OTHER TEAM MEMBERS. OKAY. MADELINE, THE, OR AARON, THE OTHER PROP, THE PROPERTY WHERE THE HOUSE IS, THERE'S ALSO THE BARN AND THE STABLES AND THE GREEN SEPARATE PROPERTY. IT'S A ALL SEPARATE SEPARATE. YES. THAT'S THE PARK PROPERTY. THAT'S ALL. YEAH, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE PARK. CORRECT. ACTUALLY, THAT'S INCORRECT. SOMETHING. THE CARRIAGE HOUSE SOMETHING. THE CARRIAGE HOUSE WE MAINTAIN. [01:50:01] OH, I'M SORRY. YES. I I HEARD THE BARN. SO THERE IS A CARRIAGE HOUSE THAT HAS SIMILAR ARCHITECTURE TO THE MANSION AND THAT IS MEANS THAT IS ON YOUR PARCEL, YOUR 11 ACRE PARCEL. CORRECT. AND THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL YEAH. AND THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE FOR US, UM, THAT WE'RE THANK, THANK WE'RE TAKING CARE OF. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. OKAY. SO IT REALLY SEEMS THAT IF THE, IF THE HOUSE WERE TAKEN OFF YOUR HANDS FOR WORRY FOR EVERYTHING, THAT IT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO BOTH ORDERS OR DO I NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN TELLING ME? I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MARIAN WOODS. I NO, I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO. I'M, I WAS THINKING THAT PERHAPS MS. TRISH OR MS. COTS WOULD ANSWER. UM, I, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT. UM, THE HOUSE, UM, IN ITS DISREPAIR PRESENTS A MATERIAL RISK TO THE ORGANIZATION AND THE ORDERS BECAUSE OF INSURANCE COSTS POTENTIAL, SOMEBODY GETTING IN THAT BUILDING, SOMETHING HAPPENING TO, UH, SOMEONE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN POSITIONED FOR SOME TIME TO, UM, REMOVE THAT RISK TO THE COMMUNITY IN ANY POTENTIAL PLATE, UM, BLIGHT THAT CAN HAPPEN. UM, AND THAT THE SISTERS, UM, AND ANY FUTURE, UH, NEEDS, UM, THAT WE'RE DOING. I THINK IT'S AL ALSO VERY, UM, CONCERNING THAT, THAT, THAT ANY KIND OF ONGOING THING TO JUST ASSUME THAT THAT SOMETHING THAT'S, THAT NEAR TO WHERE THE SISTERS ARE AND COULD BE TURNED OVER TO SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL USE WOULD BE, UM, MAYBE, UM, A, A MAJOR CONCERN. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'LL ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO GET THE FUNDING AND, BUT WHAT THE RISK IS RIGHT NOW IS THAT IT'S VERY REAL THAT THINGS CAN HAPPEN. AND LESLIE, AM I CORRECT, SOME OF THE ROOF IS STARTING TO NEED SOME REPAIR SO IT'S ONLY WATER DAMAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA CONTINUE TO MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, WE HAD A ROOF THAT WAS PARTIALLY TORN AND IT, THE ONE SIDE OF IT COMPLETELY CAME DOWN WITHIN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. YES, RIGHT. WE SAW THAT OUT ON THE VISIT. THE, IF THE TOWN, IF THE TOWN HAD, UM, OWNERSHIP OF THE HOUSE, I'M SURE THERE WOULD BE IN-HOUSE PEOPLE WHO COULD MAKE THAT REPAIR WHILE WE WERE OUT SEEKING MONEY FOR THE REST OF IT. UH, BECAUSE, UM, PART OF THE GRANTS REQUIRE, UM, WORK, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK WORK AND UM, I I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY, WE CAN ASSUME THAT THE TOWN HAS SOMEBODY TO REPAIR THE ROOF SO THAT, THAT THAT'S OKAY. UM, MY QUESTION, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. THE ORDERS, AND BY THE WAY, I HAVE BY MARRIAGE MORE ORDERS IN THE FAMILY THAN MORE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IN THE FAMILY THAN YOU CAN COUNT. UM, BUT THE, UM, AND, AND CAN I SHARE WITH YOU MY 13TH GREAT-GRANDFATHER WAS ACTUALLY, UH, GEORGE ROSS WHO SIGNED THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE GOOD AND CELEBRATION. AND HIS AND HIS BROTHER, UM, SON MARRIED BETSY ROSS. SO I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF, UM, HISTORICAL PRESENCE, BUT THIS IS A RISK TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO TO THE CONGREGATIONS RIGHT NOW. AND, AND, AND, AND WE NEED TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO REALLY BE RESPECTFUL OF, UM, THEIR NEED FOR, UM, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT THE RIGHT WAY, BUT THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO LIVE OUT THE RETIREMENT YEARS AND NOT WORRY, UM, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE POTENTIALLY DOING SOMETHING IN THAT HOUSE AND COMING OVER. UM, AND PER PERHAPS, POTENTIALLY CAUSING THEM SOME RISK BECAUSE THERE ARE, THAT, THAT IS A POTENTIAL AS WELL. WELL, IT WOULD NOT BE IF THE, IF THE TOWN OWNED IT, BUT DOES THE ORDER HAVE ANY, UM, THOUGHT FOR THE FUTURE THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO EXPAND ANY OF THEIR BUILDINGS OR ARE THEY CONTENT WITH THE SIZE THAT THEY ARE? WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE. BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC PLANS, UM, TO DO THAT BECAUSE PERMITTING WOULD PROBABLY BE VERY DIFFICULT. UHHUH . OKAY. MR. SCHMIDT, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE, WE NEED TO DO TONIGHT? DO WE NEED TO GO INTO ANY KIND OF EXECUTIVE SESSION? SO THIS IS STEVE MILLER AGAIN. SO IS IT FAIR TO ASSUME THAT, THAT THE BOARD IS NOT IN ANY KIND OF POSITION TO PROVIDE [01:55:01] A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR MARION WOODS TO REMOVE THIS BUILDING? YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. SO, COUPLE OF THINGS, RIGHT? SO THE BOARD WOULD NOT ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LANDMARKED FACILITY. THE BOARD, UH, COULD DO ONE OF A, A NUMBER OF THINGS. ONE WOULD BE TO, UH, CONSIDER, UH, UH, RECOMMENDING NOMINATION TO THE TOWN BOARD AND PROVIDING, UM, PAPERWORK AND, AND WHATNOT TO THE TOWN BOARD PURSUANT TO OUR CODE. ANOTHER WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, UH, CONDITIONAL ACCEPTANCE OF YOUR PROPOSAL, UM, OR FULL ACCEPTANCE OF THE PROPOSAL. THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY THE THREE. AND I DON'T THINK THAT DECISION'S GONNA BE MADE TONIGHT PENDING WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD, UH, AND WITH LEGAL COUNSEL PRESENT, UM, DECIDES TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND WHEN MIGHT THAT HAPPEN? I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT 60 SECONDS. AND THAT IS A SIDE SESSION THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR APPLICANTS? IT'S STRICTLY FOR THE BOARD AND STAFF. HOW CONVENIENT? OH, I DON'T LIKE YOUR TONE. I'M SORRY. THERE ARE CERTAIN RE CERTAIN REASONS AMONG THEM, PERSONNEL, FINANCIAL, ET CETERA, THAT ALLOW US TO DO THAT. AND FURTHER, AND MR. LIEBERMAN FEEL FREE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT YES, THE BOARD MUST HAVE RATIONALE TO ENTER INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ALSO ANNOUNCE WHETHER IN TYPICAL FASHION WOULD BE ANNOUNCING THAT NO VOTES OR DECISIONS WOULD BE MADE IN SUCH SESSION AS THOSE DECISION AND VOTES WOULD TAKE PLACE, UH, IN A PUBLIC SESSION. ANYTHING TO ADD? NO. OR THEY COULD, UH, ADJOURN TONIGHT AND DISCUSS IT, UH, AT A FUTURE MEETING AS WELL. CORRECT. IF THE BOARD, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD FEELS THAT YOU'RE READY TO VOTE OR NOT, RIGHT? THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD STAFF'S NOT REC IF STAFF'S REALLY LEAVING IT UP TO THE BOARD IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WANNA PROCEED, WHETHER, UM, I, THERE'S STILL INFORMATION THAT WE'RE SEEKING DOCUMENTATION, AS I MENTIONED A LITTLE WHILE AGO ABOUT, UM, FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE UPON RECEIPT, OUR OFFICE WOULD CIRCULATE THAT TO THE BOARD AS WELL AS TO THE, THE APPLICANT TEAM AND YOU KNOW, AMONGST THE OTHER INFORMATION WE DISCUSSED. SO IT, IT'S UP TO THE BOARD. MIGHT WE, UM, HAVE SOMEBODY FROM MR. TILLEY'S OFFICE OUT TO GIVE US A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF, UM, THE COST. UM, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY GOOD AT GRANT WRITING, ET CETERA, SO I'M GOING TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THEM. UM, I THINK A, A MEMO FROM THE BOARD TO OUR OFFICE. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN IN-HOUSE. WE WOULD NOT BE PUTTING THAT ON THE APPLICANT. RIGHT, OF COURSE. RIGHT. SO A MEMO FROM H AND LPB TO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION. YEP. REQUEST PHILANTHROPY IF THAT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED. AND THEN DO YOU, AND THEN THE BOARD HAS EVERY RIGHT TO, UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE OPEN QUESTIONS AND, AND AWAITING ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION, THE BOARD CAN PUT THIS OVER TO ITS NEXT MEETING IF IT'S NOT READY TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS TONIGHT. UM, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? 'CAUSE I, I'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, SO, UM, UM, SO, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS CAN STILL BE PUSHED DOWN FOR LIKE ANOTHER 18 MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN DO SOMETHING? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WHERE DOES 18 MONTHS COME FROM? I, I DON'T, I, I, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. I HEY AARON, GO AHEAD. I WAS LIKE, I, I I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND BLIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT OTHER STUFF. SO, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PUT A FENCE AROUND IT? WELL, IT'S OUR PROPERTY, SO I'M NOT THAT'S, I'M, THAT'S, YES, EXACTLY. THAT'S WHY I, THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF YOU'RE WILLING TO GIVE IT TO THE STATE, THE COUNTY, AND THE TOWN AND GET IT OFF YOUR HANDS. WELL, I I THINK THERE'S OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT THE, THAT THE SISTERS HAVE, UM, TO GO THROUGH. SO, UM, IF IF WE DON'T GIVE IT TO YOU, THEN IT [02:00:01] JUST SITS THERE. IS THAT WHAT HAPPENS? I DON'T KNOW. NO. SO, SO LET ME, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A QUESTION FROM THE BOARD THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF AN ANSWER WAS PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN TONIGHT AND OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, JUST PUT THIS OUT THERE JUST SO YOU HAVE IT. THE NEXT MEETING OF THE BOARD WILL BE MAY 12TH, THE SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH. IT'S ON THE AGENDA AS WELL. SORRY. UM, SO IF WE COULD GET A RESPONSE FROM THE APPLICANT TEAM, UH, THE BOARD COULD VERY WELL PUT THIS OVER TO ITS NEXT MEETING AND, UM, IN THE INTERIM, YOU KNOW, I'LL BE SEEKING THAT, UH, DOCUMENTATION FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP, UH, OR OBTAIN THE MEMO FROM THIS BOARD IN ORDER TO SEE IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET, UH, MR. TILLEY'S OFFICE OUT THERE. UM, SO WELL THE THING WOULD BE, UM, I, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT THE USE? LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO, YOU'RE, I I, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DETERMINE THE FUTURE USE OF THAT PROPERTY OR HAVE ANY INSURANCES THAT A FUNDING'S IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO FIX IT AND REMOVE THAT RISK AND THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE, WE, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULD, YOU COULD OPEN UP ANY KIND OF THING THERE AND WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT, THAT DETERMINATION. WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO GIVE IT OVER AND TRUST TO THE ORGANIZATION. NO, THAT'S NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE. IT IS ADJACENT TO AND SURROUNDED BY A PASSIVE PARK. MM-HMM . OWNED BY HALF BY THE STATE, A QUARTER BY THE COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER AND A QUARTER BY THE TOWN OF GREENBURG. SO THERE IS NO WAY TO PUT A MOVIE THEATER IN OR A RESTAURANT OR ANYTHING OF THAT ORDER. WELL, I, I DIDN'T THINK THAT, YEAH, I DID THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT IT COULD, YOU KNOW, I I I WAS JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION RIGHT. OF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S A TALL ORDER. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN IT WOULD HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S A REAL RISK TO US. YEAH. TRISH, THIS IS, THIS IS ED. WE CAN, WE CAN SIDEBAR ON THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, I HAVE SOME OTHER CONCERNS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE TITLE VESTED IN MARION WOODS. THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN STRINGS ATTACHED FROM THE ARCHDIOCESE AS WELL. OKAY. SO THE ACTUAL PERMITTED USE OF THE PROPERTY MIGHT ALSO BE RESTRICTED BEYOND ANY OF OUR CONTROL. UH, I'D HAVE TO TELL. RIGHT. PROBABLY NOT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SINCE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PROPOSED FOUR YEARS AGO. BUT YEAH, IF YOU COULD LOOK INTO THAT, THAT'D BE HELPFUL. UM, AND, AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN INITIAL DISCUSSION, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. UH, I THINK WE HAD A GOOD DIALOGUE, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE ON BOTH ENDS. BUT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE TO ADD. AND I, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT IF, IF, UH, IF THE CURRENT OWNER WISHES TO OR AGREES TO, UH, GIFTED OR DEEDED TO THE TOWN, THAT COULD DO SO WITH LIMITATIONS ON AS TO ITS USE THAT BE CONDITIONAL. SO THAT COULD, UH, PERHAPS, UH, RESPOND TO SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS. ONE THING I WOULD ASK, AND I THINK, WELL, I KNOW IT'S ONE REASON WHY, UM, WHAT I STILL CALL THE GEMAN MANSION HAS BEEN ON OUR AGENDA FOR AT LEAST THREE, IF NOT MORE YEARS. IS THAT GETTING IN TOUCH WITH ANYBODY TO TRY TO MAKE ANY PLANS TO THE VISIT TOOK MONTHS TO, UM, COME ABOUT? NO, NOBODY ANSWERS ANY LETTERS. UM, THERE IS NO PHONE CALL AND I, AT LEAST MY SISTER-IN-LAW HAD A PHONE NUMBER THAT SHE COULD GIVE US. UM, SO IT'S GOT TO BE EASIER FOR US TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU. IF IT'S NOT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT THAT. SO IF YOU WOULD BE GRACIOUS ENOUGH, NOT MR. MILLER NOT THE LAWYER I WANT, I WOULD LIKE ACCESS TO, UM, LESLIE, UH, HOOT IF POSSIBLE. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GONNA CALL HER EVERY DAY AND SAY HELLO, BUT IF WE WOULD LIKE TO GET MR. TILLEY IN, I DON'T WANNA WAIT TWO WEEKS TO DO IT. SAY [02:05:01] YOU HAVE MY FULL ATTENTION, . UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, YES, WHILE THERE'S CERTAINLY BEEN A LACK OF GOOD COMMUNICATION OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, I'D SAY SINCE THIS APPLICATION HAS COME IN, STAFF HAS HAD GOOD COMMUNICATION INITIALLY WITH MR. MILLER AND NOW HAVING CONTACT WITH MS. HOOT AS WELL. SO THEY'VE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE. SO I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, CON TO CONTINUE IN THAT FASHION MOVING FORWARD. AARON COULD, UM, I DON'T NEED IT. COULD YOU GET SOME KIND OF, OF, OF TEXTING OR, I DON'T DO THAT. OR PHONING OR EMAIL SO THAT WE COULD MOVE THIS ALONG WHEN THE TIME COMES WHEN WE GET AHOLD OF MR. TILLEY AND IF WE SEE, WE SEE IF WE CAN AFFORD IT AND IF WE FIND A WAY INTO ANY GRANTS, UM, YEAH, SO I HAVE ALL THE CONTACT INFORMATION AND EVERYTHING CAN RUN THROUGH ME. IT'S FINE BY ME. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANY OF US WANNA ASK ARMENIA? SHE MAY HAVE GIVEN UP. OKAY. UM, NO, I'M GOOD. OKAY. IS IT, IS IT TIME TO CLOSE DOWN THE MEETING, AARON, OR, UM, IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE WANNA DISCUSS? THAT THAT'S IT. YOU WENT THROUGH THE CORRESPONDENCE. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO BRING UP. YEAH, I WANTED THANK, I WANTED TO THANK THE MARIAN, PUT PEOPLE TO COME AND EXPLAINED. THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. YES, IT WAS LONG TIME COMING, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THE TOUR AS WELL. YES, YES, VERY MUCH SO. UM, OKAY. UM, I'LL LET YOU ALL KNOW IF WE NEED TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE, UM, AN SPECIAL MEETING AND WE WILL TELL THE APPLICANT IF IT'S ON GEMAN. UM, OTHERWISE, ENJOY YOUR TIME OFF. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. THANK YOU ALL. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. YOU TOO. THANK YOU. BYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.