May 12, 2026 Town Board - Work Session

[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH OFFICE OF THE TOWN BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 Tel: 914-989-1525 Fax: 914-993-1541 https://greenburghny.com/485/Watch-Live-Board-Meetings ]

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REPORTING IN PROGRESS. >> OKAY.

WELCOME TO OUR TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION. TODAY IS MAY 12TH AND ON.

I HAD RECEIVED A LOT OF CALLS AND EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS OF THIS TORRICELLI OF NEW YORK STAFF FRANK MORABITO IF HE CAN ATTEND THE MEETING TODAY TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH 100 EAST TORRICELLI AVENUE AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU COULD CALL HIM AND SEE IF HE COULD COME COME TO THE MEETING.

I EMAILED HIM A FEW TIMES TODAY AND YESTERDAY. BUT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE LAST WEEK THERE WAS A BIG TRAFFIC JAM ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE DURING RUSH HOUR WE BASICALLY TOLD RESIDENTS AND MOTORISTS THAT IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN AGAIN ON THERE WAS A BIG TRAFFIC DELAY THE SECOND DAY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE TOWN MISSED THE TRAINS.

I WAS ADVISED THAT THE COMMISSIONER HAD SPOKEN TO THE CONTRACTOR AND THEY BASICALLY SAID THAT IT WOULDN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. IT DID HAPPEN AGAIN.

THEN I RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT INFORMATION THAT I'M IT WAS RELATED TO 120 EAST HARTSVILLE AVENUE WHICH WAS AN ACCURATE AND LEARNED THAT I'M WHO TOLD YOU THAT I TOLD YOU THAT I GOT FROM PUBLIC WORKS I DON'T WANT TO MENTION NAMES HERE BUT I HAVE AN EMAIL FROM PEOPLE AND I POSTED IT I'M FORWARDED TO US YEAH I KNOW YOU'RE OFF FOR FLORIDA TO TELL EVERYONE BUT THE QUESTION IS I'M NOT LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, TWO POINT FINGERS.

ALL I WANT IS AN ANSWER AND AN UPDATE AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT SEWER BREAK.

YOU KNOW WE TOLD RESIDENTS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE READY TO BID SOMETIME AROUND MAY OR JUNE . UM, I DID REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AGO. HE INDICATED THAT THEY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAD RESPONDED TO THE TOWN AND HADN'T GOTTEN THE RESPONSE.

I THINK THE TOWN HAD RESPONDED I WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY IF WE SHOULD BE PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE COUNTY TO SPEED IT UP OR I WANT TO FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH YOU KNOW, WITH THE TOWN YOU KNOW, ARE WE ON TRACK AND YOU KNOW, I ASKED THE COMMISSION TO COME DOWN TODAY AND YOU KNOW, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD CALL HIM AND ASK HIM IF HE COULD SHOW UP OR PARTICIPATE BY ZOOM OR BY PHONE.

>> CAN YOU SEND FORWARD US THAT EMAIL SO FRANK IS NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT TONIGHT.

>> BUT HE STATED THAT HE IS GOING TO COME NEXT TUESDAY AT OUR WORK SESSION.

HE'S HE WAS OUT GATHERING DATA ADDITIONAL DATA AND THAT HE'LL BE READY TO MAKE A FULL PRESENTATION REGARDING ALL THE ISSUES THAT YOU'VE ASKED ABOUT NEXT TUESDAY.

>> COULD HE SHOW UP TOMORROW AT THE TOWN BOARD MEETING? I THINK NEXT TUESDAY.

>> SO I'M ASKING IF HE COULD COME TOMORROW THE INFORMATION FOR THAT HE'S TRYING TO GATHER AND I FEEL IT'S BEST THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE CORRECT AND ACCURATE INFORMATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT HE HAS AND THIS IS WHY HE COMMITTED TO COME IN NEXT TUESDAY. OKAY. SO NEXT TUESDAY WILL BE AN UPDATE ON AT FIVE AND WE CAN WE MAKE THAT THE FIRST THING ON THE ITEM? ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM. THAT'S PERFECT. OKAY SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING.

THE SECOND THING IS TO THE AGENDA. WELL THIS YEAH WE HAVE AN AGENDA. OKAY SO YEAH WE CAN WE CAN WE CAN WE OKAY SO COULD YOU YOU'VE ASKED THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR LIZ GARRITY FOR TAYLOR AND OF COURSE TO USE

NAMES WELL JUST THE RIGHT ON THE AGENDA. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO SO YOU HAVE ASKED THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR FOR REPORT AFTER REPORT AFTER REPORT AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH US YOUR ANALYSIS OF THOSE REPORTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU GLEANED FROM THAT IS THAT IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOING A GOOD JOB DO YOU THINK IT'S SUBSTANDARD BASED ON THE REPORTS?

>> WHAT IS IT THAT YOU GET FROM THE REPORT, THE METRICS THAT YOU ARE USING TO BASE THESE ON?

>> OKAY. WELL FIRST OF ALL, I JUST GOT THE THIRD REPORT.

YOU KNOW TONIGHT WE ALL GOT THE THIRD REPORT TODAY AND SO THE FIRST TWO THAT YEAH, OKAY THE FIRST TWO REPORTS BASICALLY INDICATE THAT THERE'S THREE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DOING THE WORK OF THE INSPECTIONS. IT'S THE COMMISSIONER AND I WAS ASKED NOT TO USE NAMES SO I'M NOT GOING TO USE NAMES ANYMORE COMMISSIONER THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER AND AND ONE OTHER

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I ALSO YOU KNOW THE BIG CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS I DON'T I HAVE BASICALLY TWO CONCERNS.

ONE IS WHEN I SPEAK TO ONE, YOU KNOW, MERCHANTS, PEOPLE ARE TELLING ME THAT IT TAKES A VERY, VERY LONG TIME TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. I MEAN IF YOU LOOK ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, THERE'S BEEN POSTERS ON WINDOWS OF OF STORES FOR OVER A YEAR OR SO AND COMING SOON AND YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THEIR FAULT, YOU KNOW, NOT SAYING IT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S FAULT I'M SAYING IT MAY BE THEIR FAULT BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING I WAS SPEAKING TO SOME PEOPLE YESTERDAY FROM OTHER, YOU KNOW, VILLAGES AND SOMETIMES SOMEBODY WANTS TO OPEN UP A BUSINESS COULD TAKE YOU KNOW, THEY THEY'VE PAYING RENT THEY DON'T REALIZE HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND AND THEY'RE SPENDING HALF OF THEIR LIFE SAVINGS OR THEIR ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

SO I SORT OF FEEL THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SHOULD DO IS WE SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY IN THAT DEPARTMENT WHO IS BE SORT OF LIKE A COMMUNITY OMBUDSMAN WHO WOULD BE HELPING THE BUSINESSES NAVIGATE THE PROCESS BECAUSE IF I'M THINKING OF OPENING UP A BUSINESS AND IT DOESN'T EVEN IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE SAID THIS KNOW YOU'VE BROUGHT THIS UP AND IT'S A FAIR POINT. IT'S A FAIR POINT BUT THAT'S PART OF CUSTOMER SERVICE.

BUT WE WANT TO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE REPORTS.

I KNOW. NO WELL I'M GETTING THIS CUSTOMER SO THAT IS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS NOT DOING IS IT?

>> CAN WE KNOW ABOUT THE REPORT THAT WE KNOW? WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS NOT DOING BECAUSE BECAUSE WE HAVE TONS OF A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES WITH SIGNS SAYING COMING SOON AND THE SIGNS HAVE BEEN UP FOR LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO

YEARS. >> SO SO IF YOU YOU COULD LOOK ON EAST HA STILL AVENUE YOU COULD LOOK ON AND I BELIEVE YOU'VE GOTTEN RESPONSES AS TO WHY EACH OF THOSE BUSINESSES IS HAS A DELAY WHETHER IT'S A CERTAIN KIND OF PERMIT THEY HAVE NOT SAW IT OR WHATEVER THEY HAVEN'T DONE THEY'VE BEEN THE BUILDING HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO YOU.

>> I MEAN WE SEE THOSE EMAILS. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY HAVE BECAUSE NO, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT UP. NO, LET ME SAY THIS YOU'VE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE SUPERVISOR AND AT THE TIME THE THE DEPUTY TOLD YOU THAT IN EACH OF THE CASES THAT YOU MENTIONED AND EACH OF THE EMAILS THAT YOU CITED AS FACT THERE WERE ISSUES WITH CONTRACTORS NOT FILING THE PROPER PAPERWORK OR NOT FILING AT ALL, NOT BEING RESPONSIVE AND IN EACH CASE IT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT, NOT BECAUSE OF UNRESPONSIVENESS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION THESE TWO OTHER TIME JOBS BUT YOU DON'T SEEM TO WANT TO BELIEVE THAT AND YOU SEEM TO IMPLY THAT IT'S SOME FAULT OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHEN IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED VERY CAREFULLY THAT NO IT ISN'T THE FAULT OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE VERY CLEAR AND VERY RESPONSIVE. THEY LAY OUT WHAT IT IS THAT IS REQUIRED FOR EACH JOB FOR FILING AND THEN WHEN THERE IS A QUESTION THEY'RE RESPONSIVE WHEN SOMEONE CALLS AND THAT WAS

EXPLAINED TO YOU TOO. >> OKAY. LET ME SAY MY COMMENTS.

IT'S NOT A CRITICISM. MY GOAL IS FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO BE THE BEST BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES. THAT'S MY GOAL.

SO THE THING IS I'M LOOKING NOT AT BASIC JOBS OR BASIC MINIMUM STANDARD MINIMUM ACCEPTABLE PERFORMANCE. I WANT IT TO BE EXCEPTIONAL OUTSTANDING.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AND I WANT YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS I RECOMMENDED THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR MOVE UP AS BUILDING INSPECTOR AND SPEND FULL TIME SO I THINK SHE COULD BE AND EXCEPTIONALLY OUTSTANDING BUILDING INSPECTOR IF SHE GOT IT SHE DIDN'T HAVE

ONE. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WASN'T KNOW SO IN YOUR REPORTS AND THEN THE AND SHE PLEASE DON'T PLEASE DON'T AND SHE AND SHE IS WORKING FULL TIME AS WELL YOU'RE GIVING ANOTHER JOB SHE'S NOT YOU'RE GIVING A DEPUTY SHE'S DOING A FULL TIME

JOB AS A BUILDING INSPECTOR. >> THAT IS IT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS GIVING HER SO MUCH WORK AND PUTTING UP TWO REPORTS AND SHE'S WORKING ON REPORTS INSTEAD OF DOING THINGS IN THE

FIELD OR ADMINISTRATIVE WORK. >> SHE'S WORKING ON REPORTS AND WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS WHAT ARE

YOU BENEFITING? >> HOW ARE YOU BENEFITING BECAUSE IN WHAT WAY? BECAUSE I FIRST OF ALL AS I'M GETTING THE REPORTS I'M SAYING DEFICIENCIES AND CAN YOU RELATE

COULD YOU PLEASE NOT INTERRUPT ME AND I WON'T INTERRUPT YOU. >> OKAY.

SO SO LET'S ASK WHERE. >> OKAY. SO I, I BASICALLY HAVE HAD TWO

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EVERYTHING THAT THEY SHOULD DO. >> NOW THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE INTERRUPTING THAT BUT BASED ON WHAT I'M TRYING TO HELP BECAUSE I HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND YOU JUST MOVE ON BECAUSE WHAT BASED ON WHAT SERVICE LEVELS ARE YOU PUTTING IN PLACE? I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE

SERVICE LEVELS ARE. >> ONE OF THE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE WHICH IS A BIG PROBLEM IS I FEEL THERE SHOULD BE SAFETY INSPECTIONS THAT ARE CONDUCTED AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO WORKING ON PERMITS. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BASICALLY THEY'RE DOING INSPECTIONS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING IS BEING MORE PRO YOU KNOW AND I'M SAYING THIS IS INFORMATION THAT I'M GATHERING AS I'M LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO AND IT'S NOT A CRITICISM I WOULD LIKE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO DO PROACTIVE INSPECTIONS. NOT ONLY WAIT FOR SOMEBODY TO SAY I HAVE THE BUILDING PERMIT THAT YOU KNOW, I'M APPLYING FOR THIS ANALYSIS IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I'M NOT DONE WHAT I'M NOT DONE WITH MY ANALYSIS.

THE ANALYSIS IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE EVERY WEEK FOR A MONTHS AND EVERY WEEK I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO MORE PEOPLE AND I'M GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE THAT DEPARTMENT.

>> WHY PLACE YOU HAD A GARAGE THAT COLLAPSED. >> I DON'T WANT A GARAGE TO COLLAPSE OR THAT WAS A PRIVATE GARAGE. LET'S BRING IT BACK.

WE JUST WE JUST BRING IT BACK TO THE TOPIC. >> CAN WE BRING IT BACK TO THE TOPIC, PLEASE? SO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA HERE? SAYS ANALYSIS OF THE REPORTS.

SO WE'RE AGAIN THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE ON THE TABLE HERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT ANALYSIS HAVE YOU HAVE FROM THE TWO REPORTS THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED, WHAT ARE YOUR METRICS? WHAT ARE YOUR MEASURING ON? WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT AND WHAT YOU HAVEN'T GIVE US YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN US ANYTHING.

>> I HAVE NO BUT YOU HAVE TO REPORT SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

>> SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO GENTEFIED DEFICIENCIES? WHAT ARE THOSE THE WAY TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE STARTING AN ARGUMENT OR YOU BASICALLY WERE ASKING YOU KNOW, YOU JUST GOING TO ASK THIS IS NOT THIS IS LIKE YOU KNOW THIS IS ALL WHAT YOU DO IS EVERY TIME I'M COMING YOU KNOW YOU WANT ME TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR ME.

>> WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS. >> THAT'S WHAT WE DO IT THAT'S WHAT MEETINGS DO.

WHEN YOU SAID YOU GOT THE INFORMATION, WHY DON'T YOU NOT INTERRUPT?

>> LET ME SPEAK AND THEN YOU COULD YOU COULD TELL ME YOU HAVEN'T YET ANSWERED THE

QUESTION THAT WAS POSED. >> BUT BUT BUT ME SPEAK WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED.

>> YES, BUT I WON'T INTERRUPT YOU. AND THEN AND THEN I WANT OKAY.

>> BASICALLY ALL I'M SAYING IS THE LAST TIME WE HEARD FROM THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR SAID THEY HAD FOUR PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING INSPECTIONS.

TURNS OUT THAT THERE'S THREE PEOPLE DOING INSPECTIONS. SHE THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS WHO IS ALSO THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND ONE OTHER PERSON. SO THERE'S THREE PEOPLE THAT'S SOMETHING AND THERE'S STILL THREE VACANCIES IN THAT DEPARTMENT AND THOSE VACANCIES HAVE HAVE EXISTED FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. SO THAT'S ONE THING.

SECOND THING THAT I'M FINDING WHICH YOU KNOW BOTHERS ME IS I DON'T FEEL THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS DOING ENOUGH PROACTIVE SAFETY INSPECTIONS BECAUSE I FEEL I'M TALKING.

BUT I'D LIKE TO SAY NOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OTHER BUILDING DEPARTMENTS MAY NOT BE DOING.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE GARAGES LIKE WHITE PLAINS WHERE A GARAGE COLLAPSED, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CHECKING THEM PERIODICALLY.

>> I WANT TO SEE LIKE SPOT INSPECTIONS JUST LIKE THIS CALL IS CALLED REGULAR MAINTENANCE

WHAT YOU DO AND WHICH THEY ARE ON A SCHEDULE MAINTENANCE. >> SO WHEN YOU CALL I'M JUST HELPING YOU OUT. IT'S CALLED SCHEDULE MAINTENANCE SO YOU HAVE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND THAT IS WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO. SO YOU WHEN IF YOU HAVE AN INSPECTION IT'S ALREADY SET UP THERE'S ALREADY A SCHEDULE OF EACH TIME YOU'RE GOING TO GO AND DO THE INSPECTION WHICH IS ALREADY IN PLACE. SO I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW YOU CAN BE PROACTIVE RIGHT WITH INSPECTIONS WHEN THE WORK HASN'T BEEN DONE YET TO BE INSPECTED. SO I'M JUST I'M TALKING ABOUT SPOTTING SPOT CHECKS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS A RESULT OF THE LAST INSPECTION THE TWO THE FIRST TWO THAT I GOT I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ON SAFETY INSPECTIONS THAT PROACTIVE SAFETY INSPECTIONS THAT ARE BEING DONE NOW IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT THEN I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING SO AND AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING THAT EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT IS DOING. I ALSO THINK THAT WHAT WHAT WE COULD DO WHICH I THINK WOULD BE REALLY YOU KNOW, WOULD BE REALLY GREAT IS HANDHOLDING SOME OF THE BUSINESSES WHICH I'VE SAID BEFORE AND HELP THEM NAVIGATE THE PROCESS.

WHEN I, I HELPED OPEN UP I CUT A RIBBON ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AGO SOMEBODY SAID, YOU KNOW,

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AND THEY CAN HELP THEM WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE THEY ARE GREENBERG'S

CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE. >> BUT I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. I DO HAVE JUST A FOLLOW UP. OKAY.

BECAUSE I THINK YOU MADE A REALLY EXCELLENT POINT SO YOU KNOW, I REALLY YOU KNOW, YOU GAVE ME A FANTASTIC IDEA SO WHAT WE WHAT YOU KNOW SO WHAT I THINK YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT WANT TO DO IS TRY GETTING VOLUNTEERS WHICH COULD BE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

IT COULD BE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE EXPERTISE AND SO THEREFORE THAT'S THE CHAMBER COMMERCE IS SOME PEOPLE MAY HAVE EXPERTISE AND THEN WE COULD WORK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHERE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COULD GIVE US A LIST OF EVERYBODY WHO IS, YOU KNOW, APPLYING FOR PERMITS. WE COULD WORK WITH THE COMMERCIAL LANDLORDS AND SAY LISTEN, IF THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO'S RENTING SPACE IN YOUR YOU KNOW, IN YOUR COMPLEX, WE'RE

GOING TO RUN HELP THEM NAVIGATE THE PROCESS. >> WELL, REMEMBER THEY HAD THAT REMEMBER THE GARRETT CREATED GARRETT WITH DIRECTION OF MYSELF I THINK YOU YOU YOU I DON'T THINK YOU'RE ON A BOARD YET WE HAVE THE WEBSITE FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WEBSITE THAT GARRETT ALREADY STARTED SO THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD BE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE DRIVING

PEOPLE THERE FOR THAT. NO, BUT THAT'S NUMBER ONE. >> CAN I HOLD ON TWO SECONDS? I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS I'LL BE CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU OH, IS THAT ME? OH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T I DIDN'T HEAR YOU RIGHT. OKAY, SO YOU SAID YOU HAD THE TWO REPORTS FOR FOR THIS. WHAT ARE YOU MEASURE NOW? ARE YOU MEASURING ON AGAINST THE THE FORMER BUILDING INSPECTOR THE FORMER DEPARTMENT I WAS THERE BEFORE.

SO WHAT WAS DONE IN HISTORY ARE YOU ARE YOU ARE YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOUR METRICS AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT STUFF WHY ARE YOU BASING THAT ON WHAT YOU'RE MEASURING IT AGAIN SO YOU'RE MEASURING WHAT WAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

DO YOU HAVE THAT DATA FROM THE PAST SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WHERE WE HAVE GROWN TO WITNESS DEFICIENCIES? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND I'M NOT I'M BASICALLY JUST YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE REPORTS I TALK TO PEOPLE PEOPLE WILL LIKE YOU JUST CAME UP WITH A FANTASTIC IDEA WHICH I REALLY LIKE AND APPRECIATE. SO I BASICALLY SAID OH THIS IS GREAT NOW YEAH I THINK IN A WEEK OR TWO NO I THINK NEXT WEEK I HAVE SOME INTERNS I'M GOING TO ASSIGN THEM TO GO TO BUSINESSES, TO BUSINESSES AND FIND OUT ESPECIALLY REACH OUT TO NEW BUSINESSES AND AND SEE IF THEY COULD LEARN. I'M MORE ABOUT EXPERIENCES NEW BUSINESSES HAVE HAD AND THEN I'M GOING TO FIND OUT BASED ON YOU KNOW ON THAT UH, YOU KNOW THE INFORMATION THAT THEY GOT THERE THEY'RE GIVING ME THAT AS A DUTY OF THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THAT'S PART OF THEIR PURVIEW IS TO WORK WITH NEW BUSINESSES TO

BRING THEM UP TO YOU KNOW RIGHT. >> I HAVE THREE INTERNS WHO ARE GOING TO BE WELL LET'S NOT SAY THAT YOU THEY CAN'T BE THEY CAN'T INTERN WHAT THE WHAT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. BUT THAT'S THEIR ROLE. I THINK YOU SHOULD ALLOW THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO BE, YOU KNOW, STEWARDSHIP IN THE COMMUNITY SO THEY ARE ABLE TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES OR NEW BUSINESSES THAT'S COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY.

>> SO THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THE ENERGY SHOULD BE. WE'LL DO THAT.

BUT WHAT I REALLY WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF QUESTION KNOW WHAT I REALLY I FEEL THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT NOW THE INSPECTION REPORTS IT'S NOT LIKE A GOTCHA EFFORT. THIS IS BASICALLY AN EFFORT TO HELP ALL OF US HAVE THE BEST POSSIBLE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES. SO THE THING IS MY FEELING IS EVERY TIME I LOOK AT THE REPORT AND I SHARE IT WITH PEOPLE, I GET IDEAS FROM PEOPLE AND LIKE I NEVER THOUGHT OF THE SAFETY INSPECTION IDEA SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP TO ME LAST WEEK ANOTHER PERSON SAID OH I LOOKED AT THE REPORT I ONE OF THE PROBLEMS MAY I HOW HOW LONG WHEN DID THEY FIRST APPLY HOW YOU KNOW I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT HOW MUCH TIME IS DELAYED FROM THE TIME SOMEBODY STARTS THE PROCESS TO THE TIME A PERMIT IS ACTUALLY THE INSPECTION IS ACTUALLY MAY I? OKAY SO YOU SAID NUMBER ONE YOU SAY YOU'VE SHARED IT WITH

PEOPLE YOU HAVE NOT SHARED IT WITH THE BOARD. >> SO WE DID NOT DID NOT COPY FROM THIS CENTER TO EVERY TODAY BUT PREVIOUS ONE. OKAY.

>> BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE SHARING INFORMATION AND YOU'RE GOING OUT TO LET ME SEE IF I UNDERSTAND THIS YOU'RE GOING OUT TO THE PROPRIETORS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY'RE PERCEPTION IS.

UNDERSTAND THAT OFTEN CONTRACTORS YES I SAID EARLIER HAVEN'T DONE THEIR THEIR PROPER

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SO TO HAVE INTERNS QUESTIONING OR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE THE END USER THAT IS NOT GIVING YOU THE REALISTIC STORY. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IF THERE IS A QUESTION THAT THEN LIVES AS SHE IS EXCUSE ME THE DEPUTY HAS SHE IS DONE ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS RIGHT HERE WILL FILL US IN ON YES BUT THIS IS THIS WAS A PROBLEM. THIS WASN'T FILED.

THEY HAD THEY HIRED A PLUMBER OR AN ELECTRICIAN WHO WASN'T REGISTERED AND WHO DIDN'T DO THE WORK ACCORDING TO THE THE TOWN CODE. SO YOU KNOW, OFTEN THAT KIND OF THING HAS HAPPENED. I KNOW THAT ON SEVERAL OF OCCASIONS I'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM CONSTITUENTS WITH WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR A STORE PROPRIETOR WHO HAS SAID SOMETHING AND WHEN I'VE CALLED THIS CALLED THE DEPUTY SHE HAS GIVEN ME THE INFORMATION.

SO IT IS THERE SHE IS DOING HER DUE DILIGENCE. SHE KNOWS WHAT IT IS.

WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION. SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THIS ROUNDABOUT MANNER THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING ACHIEVES. ALL I'M SAYING IS I THINK THERE'S LIKE A MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE PART OF THE BOARD AND MYSELF RELATING TO MY MOTIVES YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR THIS.

I BASICALLY YOU KNOW, HAVE SAID AND YOU KNOW, I RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO DISAGREE WITH ME.

I, I BASICALLY FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, BOTH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR AND PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT COMMISSIONERS SHOULD HAVE ONE JOB AND JUST FOCUS ON THAT.

>> WELL, THAT'S NOT GOOD. THAT'S SEPARATE. SO SO SO ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS I'M TRYING TO GATHER AS MUCH INFORMATION IN AS AS POSSIBLE. I'M NOT LOOKING TO COMPLAIN OR CRITICIZE. I'M LOOKING TO COME UP WITH SUGGESTIONS THAT CAN MAKE THINGS BETTER AND TO DO IS TO HAVE A BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT WILL DO EVEN MORE THINGS AND

THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT IN THE STATE ARE NOT DOING. >> HAVE YOU DONE ANY RESEARCH AS TO OTHER BEST PRACTICES THAT WERE NOT EMPLOYED? SO I'M IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT IS THAT FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS THIS IS GOING TO TAKE MONTHS BECAUSE YOU KNOW EVERY WEEK YOU KNOW WE'LL FIND YOU KNOW WE'LL BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW HOW MANY INSPECTIONS ARE DONE EACH WEEK. I ARE WE FINDING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE FEWER INSPECTIONS

DONE? >> I THINK I'LL BE I'LL BE CURIOUS TO UNDERSTAND FOR EPICURIOUS UNDERSTAND. SO ARE WE DOING THIS FOR FOR TO UNDERSTAND THE SERVICE LEVELS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND CUSTOMERS WHO COME TO THE TOWN? ARE YOU JUST FOCUSING ONLY ON THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER SERVICE LEVEL THERE ARE OTHER SERVICE DEPARTMENTS AROUND THE TOWN SO I HAVEN'T HEARD THESE OTHER I HAVEN'T HEARD YOUR REQUEST THESE REPORTS FROM THEM. SO SO I THINK THAT YOU KNOW THE FRUSTRATION AND I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF THE FRUSTRATION FOR ME IS THAT YOU'RE JUST TARGETING ONE DEPARTMENT WHEN THERE ARE MANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO ALSO DEAL WITH CUSTOMERS.

SO I'M STILL LOOKING AND I'M HOPING MAYBE AT SOME POINT I'LL GET THE QUESTION ANSWER WHAT ARE THE SERVICE LEVELS WITH THE METRICS THAT YOU'RE MEASURING YES ON TO DETERMINE SO YOU CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE I STILL HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. IT HASN'T BEEN CLEAR AND I DON'T KNOW MAYBE MAYBE ELLEN JOY FRANCIS JOEL CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT ANALYSIS BEING DONE BECAUSE I KEEP BECAUSE THE ONLY ANALYSIS THAT YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT IS JUST TWO PARTICULAR PEOPLE. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SERVICE THAT THEY'RE DELIVERING AND HOW WELL THE DELIVERING THAT SERVICE OR HOW THE DELIVERING ARE OVER THE OVER

THE YEARS. >> YOU KNOW, I GUESS BOTH THE COMMISSIONER PARKS AND AND THE VERY YOUNG COMMUNITY CENTER TO GIVE US A REPORT HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND YOU KNOW DIFFERENT PROGRAMS AND YOU KNOW THEY'VE DONE THAT, YOU KNOW PERIODICALLY NOW ONE OF THE JOBS OF THE LIAISON'S COULD BE YOU KNOW, THIS IS SUCCESSFUL THIS EFFORT, THIS WE COULD BASICALLY BE ASKING DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS TO ALSO DO MATRIX BECAUSE BECAUSE WE WANT TO LIKE SAY IN THE IN AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER OR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMS HOW MANY PEOPLE ATTEND EACH PROGRAM? HOW MUCH DOES IT COST FOR AN INSTRUCTOR? YOU KNOW IF THERE'S THREE PEOPLE IN A PROGRAM AND IT'S

COSTING IT SOUNDS LIKE AN AUDIT. >> NO, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE NEVER YOU'VE NEVER ASKED FOR THAT

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AND DAVID DINKINS WHO'S WHO'S ON THE PROCUREMENT COMMITTEE. >> WE HAVE OVER TEN PEOPLE.

>> WE HAVE IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL COMMITTEE. IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL TOWN COMMITTEE. YEAH. OKAY.

SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I RESOLUTION I CLARIFIED THERE ON THE TOWN BOARD AND THE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS TO ATTEND DURING THE DAY AT ONE WAS DURING THE DAY THAT'S WHY WE CAN'T ME NO BUT I'M SAYING IT'S NOT ONLY THAT IF EVERYBODY DID IT'S GOING TO BE FANTASTIC.

I SAID DON'T INTERRUPT YOU BUT YOU HAVEN'T STOPPED TALKING FOR THE LAST 20 MINUTES.

WHY DON'T WE DO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS NOW? WHY IS IT SEQUENTIAL? I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE

PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT AND YOU COULD ALSO I DON'T HAVE IT. >> I DON'T HAVE ISSUES.

YOU DO? >> WELL, I WILL DO I WILL BE WORKING ON IT ON EVERY DEPARTMENT. OH YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. NOW I HAVE A LOT LOT MORE WORK

TO DO. >> CLARIFICATION HAVE YOU EVER ASKED FOR THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE 35 YEARS YOU'VE BEEN SUPERVISOR?

>> I USED TO WELL, I USED TO BE NO BECAUSE NO, IT WAS IT NO AND THE REASON I SAID NO IS BECAUSE THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DIDN'T HAVE A SECOND JOB WITH THE TOWN AND THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR DID NOT HAVE A SECOND JOB WITH THE TOWN. SO WAS THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION AND I AM VERY, VERY NERVOUS THE SECOND JOB WITH THE TOWN BUT HE'S GOING TO KEEP ON

DETERIORATION. >> THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR I AM GOING TO SAY CAN IF I COULD JUST SAY ONE THING I DON'T THINK IT'S AN UNFAIR POINT AS WE ARE HAVING MAYBE FEWER AS WE ARE RESTRUCTURING THESE POSITIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK TO SEE THAT THAT HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE CONTINUES. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH DOING THAT.

>> I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH DOING THAT.

I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT THE MEASUREMENT SAYS. >> THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

ABSOLUTELY. AND BY WHY THOSE TWO PARTICULAR DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S THE

RESTRUCTURING OF TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS. >> BUT WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT IN

THE PAST. >> THEY NEVER HAVE TWO SEPARATE JOBS SO WE DIDN'T RESTRUCTURE

DOESN'T HAVE TWO SEPARATE JOBS. >> I'M JUST SAYING THAT SHE DOES ALL OF THEM HAVE TO SEPARATE JOB SHE DOES NOT NOT DURING THE REGULAR WORK THE COMMISSIONER DIDN'T SHOW UP AT

A PROCUREMENT MEETING JUST BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE FIELD. >> OKAY.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING SHOWING UP AT ANY MEETING THAT LAST YOU COULD CARE LESS THAT YOU COULD CARE LESS. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING WHAT YOU WANTED HIM TO SIT AT A

PROCUREMENT MEETING. >> HE SHOWS UP AT A RECENT OFFICIAL MEETING.

NO, NO. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING?

WHAT? HE'S HELPING A WOMAN. >> HE DOESN'T CARE WHO IS LOSING HER HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S COLLAPSING. THAT'S WHAT HE WAS DOING YESTERDAY. HE WAS HELPING A WOMAN TO CONVINCE HER THAT SHE CAN'T STAY IN THAT HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S STRUCTURALLY UNSAFE. AND IF YOU LOOKED AT THE HOUSE

YOU'D SEE WHY. >> SO HE COULD HAVE DONE THAT ANSWER BEFORE MY MEETING I GAVE HIM A LOT OF ADVANCE NOTICE ABOUT THE MEETING. THAT'S SO HOW DO YOU PLAN HOW

DO YOU PLAN THAT? >> HOW DO YOU PLAN THAT? WELL, HE WAS ALSO DOING IT WAS CLEAN HELPING CLEAR A TREE OFF OF A CAR THAT COLLAPSED ON A CAR.

>> SO HE'S OUT IN THE FIELD. YOU DON'T NEED HIM TO TELL YOU ABOUT PROCUREMENT.

>> YOU HAVE A PURCHASING AGENT . >> YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT KNOWS EVERYTHING THERE IS ABOUT THE TOWN AND I'M SURPRISED, PAUL YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 35 YEARS. YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURES ARE FOR THE TOWN AND

HOW WE PROCURE. >> WHY DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE SOMEBODY OUT OF THE FIELD FROM DOING WORK AND I CAN GO ON ABOUT WHAT HE WAS DOING YESTERDAY.

>> YOU COULD GO ON AMAZING, AMAZING STUFF WHICH I BET YOU HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED WITH HIM. WELL, LET ME BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT HERE IS THAT YOU'RE PURPOSELY TARGETING YOU SAY THEY HAVE TWO JOBS. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF IF THE BUILD IT DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR WORKS FOR A LAW FIRM AT NIGHT AND IS THAT BUILDING DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR IN THE DAYTIME WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF THAT SECOND JOB

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SHE'S AN EXPERT IN CODE COMPLIANCE. >> WHY NOT HAVE THAT TALENT HERE AND YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A FULL TIME PERSON IN THE BUILDING YOU HAVE A FULL TIME PERSON IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THERE IS NO RESTRUCTURING OF THE DEPARTMENT. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

DPW IS DPW. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN HOW WE ARE STAFFING IT AND THOSE ARE NOT THE DEPARTMENTS BUT WHAT WE'RE OR WHERE WE'RE MODIFIED THE POSITIONS TO ADDRESS A

PARTICULAR NEED AT THIS TIME. >> OKAY. WELL LET'S SEE IF WE GET THE

EAST TORRICELLI OUT HERE FOR A BREAK POINT OH BOY, OH BOY. >> SO FAR LESS LESLIE OKAY.

SO SO SO I'M WANT TO BLAME HAMPTON MAN PEOPLE NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU AND THEN YOU CONTINUE I EXPECT SIT HERE AND LIKE I SAID, DISRESPECTFUL TO SAY YOU SAID AND YOU START AVENUE SO WE'RE BREAK IT'S ENTERING ITS THIRD YEAR RIGHT NOW AND THE THING IS ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT PEOPLE IN GREENBURG AND IN HARTSDALE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THE DELAYS

AND THE DELAYS AND THE DELAYS AND THEY WANT ANSWERS. >> SO WE'RE GOING NEXT.

YES, YOU'RE GETTING AN UPDATE NEXT WEEK AND WHAT PEOPLE ON YOU START DELLA AVENUE ARE TIRED OF IS HAVING RAISED EXPECTATIONS YOU YOU MR. SUPERVISOR TOLD THE PEOPLE ON EAST STALE AVENUE THAT WAS GOING TO BE COMPLETED LAST YEAR AND IN THE SPRING THAT'S WHAT YOU TOLD THEM WITH NO EVIDENCE TO BASE IT ON. BUT YOU KNOW IT SOUNDS GOOD TO TELL THEM THAT SO THEY'LL THINK HEY YOU YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB RIGHT?

>> CAN'T DO IT NEXT YEAR. >> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? THERE IS THREE PEOPLE THREE PEOPLE DOING INSPECTIONS BUT YOU PUT OUT TO THE JOB LIST THERE'S ONLY ONE INSPECTOR IN

THE BUILDING THE PARK THERE'S ONLY ONE DEPUTY. >> WELL, BUT ALL THREE DO INSPECTIONS RIGHT? BUT THE THING IS WE'RE PAYING THE THING IS NEXT THING IS YOU'RE A PUBLIC WORKS HAS A SHOULD BE AT OUR MEETINGS BECAUSE BASICALLY WHEN RICH FUN WAS WHEN RICH FUN WAS COMMISSIONER HE SHOWED UP IN MEETINGS I CAN'T GET WHEN I ASK A COMMISSIONER TO SHOW UP AT A PROCUREMENT MEETING BECAUSE I WANT TO DO MY JOB OF GETTING

PROCURE ON THE CAR. >> I EXPECT HIM TO LET THE WOMAN WELL YOU KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY DON'T YOU KNOW THIS IS THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH THE PROCUREMENT COMMITTEE YOU

HAVE AN OVERSIGHT. >> NO, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE A PURCHASING DEPARTMENT WHO HANDLES ALL PROCUREMENT AND YET YOU NEED FRANK TO COME OUT OF THE FIELD

TO MEET WITH YOUR GROUP. >> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? ONE OF WHICH CAN BE VERY HARASSING TO STAFF AND WE KNOW THIS ONE OF WHICH I INTERACTED WITH YEARS AGO BECAUSE HE SAID HE COULD SAVE US $20 MILLION IN PROCUREMENT AND I SAID OH THIS IS GREAT.

>> HEY, I'D LOVE TO SAVE THE TOWN $20 MILLION. AND I ASKED HIM COULD YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE? YOU COULDN'T GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF ANY AND THAT'S THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANT OUR PEOPLE TO COME OFF OF THE FIELD DOING BASICALLY LIFESAVING WORK AND YOU SAY YOU WANT THEM TO DO SAFETY INSPECTIONS. I HAVE TO ASSURE YOU PAUL, OUR BUILDING CODE IS BASED ON SAFETY. WHEN THEY GO OUT AND DO THEIR INSPECTIONS FOR CODE COMPLIANCE, THOSE ARE SAFETY INSPECTIONS IF YOU NOW WANT THEM TO GO OUT AND DO PROACTIVE HEY, I SEE THAT HOUSE OVER THERE.

>> YOU KNOW, LET ME GO AND INSPECT IT AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE SAYING HEY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOBS. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR THESE THESE LABORIOUS TIME CONSUMING REPORTS.

YOU NOW WANT THEM TO DO PROACTIVE SAFETY INSPECTIONS WHICH YOU NEVER ASK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN THE 35 YEARS YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE BUT NOW YOU WANT THIS DEPARTMENT TO GO OUT AND DO PROACTIVELY YOU SEE A HOUSE HEY, MAYBE I'LL GO AND KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND SAY I'D LIKE TO INSPECT THE JUST THAT'S NOT THEIR JOB. NEXT YOU TALK ABOUT THE DELAYS AND THE SIGNS ON THE WINDOWS SHOW ME AN EMAIL ONE EMAIL WHERE YOU HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT DELAYS THAT THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR LIZ GARRITY DID NOT WRITE BACK TO YOU AND GIVE YOU DETAILED ANALYSIS AS TO WHY THEY ARE NOT UP AND RUNNING AND IN EVERY CASE IT WAS NOT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. IT WAS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TRYING TO HELP THEM BUT THEN THERE WERE DELAYS IN THEM DOING WHATEVER THEY TOLD THEM TO DO. SO WHEN YOU ARE SPEAKING TO THE PEOPLE ON THE AVENUE OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM THE FACTS.

BUT SHOW ME AN EMAIL WHERE LIZ DID NOT RESPOND TO YOU AND EXPLAIN WHAT WAS THE REASON THEY DID NOT HAVE YOU DON'T TELL THE RESIDENTS THAT NEXT TO YOU TALK ABOUT KNOW THE DELAYS IN RESPONDING DELAYS AND RESPONDING. THAT GETS BACK TO AGAIN TO LIZ

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IT WAS GREAT FOR YOU TO DO THAT BUT UNLESS YOU CAN THIS IS FURTHER HARASSMENT.

>> OKAY. LET ME JUST SAY ONE FINAL THING.

SO YESTERDAY WE HAD THE PROCUREMENT COMMITTEE AND WE REALLY WANTED THE COMMISSION OF PUBLIC WORKS OUT THERE BUT COULDN'T BECAUSE WE WANTED HIM TO ANSWER QUESTIONS SO WELL OKAY SO ONE ONE QUESTION THAT CAME UP FROM SOME OF THE MEMBERS WAS HOW DO WE DEAL WITH EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, CONTRACTS? SO THE THING IS WE GET WHAT YOU GET FOR TWO MAIN BREAKS.

NO SO I'M JUST SAYING WE GET WATER MAIN BREAKS. YOU KNOW SOMETIMES THERE'S LIKE WE HAVE THE SUMMER BREAK SO SO THE QUESTION IS ON SOMEBODY BROUGHT THIS UP THEY SAID DO YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR US TO PICK YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THERE'S A MAJOR WATER MAIN BREAK OR A SEWER BREAK LIKE WE HAD ON A YOU KNOW, I'D RUN OVER PARK ON WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO SAY PRE-QUALIFY DUAL RFP AND SAY WE DO THAT ALREADY YOU'VE NOT AWARE THAT WE DO THAT?

>> DO WE HAVE 3 OR 4 DO WE THEN THEN WHAT PRICE DO WE ASK FOR PRICES BEFORE OKAY SO ARE YOU NOT AWARE? NO, BUT THAT'S I'M SAYING YOU KNOW THIS ALREADY.

WHY DID YOU THAT YOU KNOW THAT WAS THE ISSUE. LET ME ASK A QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COMMISSIONER AT THE NEXT MEETING OF OUR PROCUREMENT COMMITTEE SO I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE THING IS I'M NOT I DON'T DEAL WITH A EMERGENCY CONTRACTORS YOU KNOW THEY DO. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE

CONTRACT. >> YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON ON ON ON CONTRACTS WITH OUR CAPITAL BUDGET.

SO THE THING IS THIS WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS I'M TRYING TO BENEFIT FROM THE EXPERTISE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MORE EXPERTISE IN THIS FIELD THAN I DO.

>> SO IN THE PAST IF YOU'RE MEETING WITH THEM AND THEY BRING UP A QUESTION THAT'S A VALID QUESTION WHY WHETHER I'M WASTING THE COMMISSIONER'S TIME AND CAN I FINISH RATHER THAN WASTING COMMISSIONERS TIME COMING OFF THE FIELD TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO AND TALK TO THE COMMISSIONER AND REPORT BACK TO THE CONSULTANT BECAUSE LET ME SAY SOMETIMES I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOMETIMES THEY COULD BRING UP SOMETHING AND IF THEY HAVE A DIALOG WITH HIM BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE EXPERTISE AS RUDY RINALDI WHO'S A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, HE WAS AS I SAID HE WAS A COMMISSIONER UNDER UNDER ED KOCH AND UNDER DAVID DINKINS. HE'S HE'S DONE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF OF OF REVIEWS.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE COMMITTEE WHO IS A FORMER HEAD OF THE EDGEMONT SCHOOL BOARD SO AD HOC COMMITTEE YOU CAN'T EXPECT THAT YOU CAN TAKE TIME TO MEET WITH BUT YOU KNOW WHAT SO FRANCIS FRANK, WHY CAN'T YOU BRING BACK THE INFORMATION WHY IF YOU'RE MEETING WITH THEM AND YOU AND THERE'S QUESTION NO, NO PAUL NOT PAUL YES YOU DO BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE MEETING WITH THEM. SO IF YOU HOLD ON FRANCIS IF YOU'RE MEETING WITH THEM AND YOU'RE SITTING IN A MEETING AND THEY HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDLESS OF REGARDING CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN TAKE THAT BACK, HAVE A MEETING, TALK TO YOUR STAFF. HOW ABOUT THAT? HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND SAY I JUST GOT OUT OF A COMMITTEE MEETING WITH WITH PEOPLE I'VE GATHERED TOGETHER. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. CAN YOU CAN YOU HELP ME ANSWER

THESE QUESTIONS? THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO. >> WHY WOULD YOU PULL THAT? WHY WOULD YOU PULL THEM FROM EMERGENCY TO ANSWER THAT YOU HAVE MEETINGS EVERY FRIDAY.

>> YOU CAN'T COME AS AN ARTIST. SO YOU KNOW WHAT? AFTER THE PRIMARY I'M GOING TO INSIST ON ATTENDING. IF I WON'T I'M STILL DOING BUSINESS ASSISTANCE.

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>> NO, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE ABOUT THE LAW. I'M GOING TO INSIST ON IT BECAUSE BASICALLY IF THE PUBLIC VOTES ME IN THAT THAT'S A REFERENDUM.

ARE WE DOING THE WORK OF THAT AND THEY ATTEND THE MEETINGS ABOUT THE WORK OF THE TOWN.

>> I MEAN I CAN'T BE SHUT OUT OF MEETINGS ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE WATCHING IT'S A

VIOLATION OF OPEN MEETINGS. >> I NEED TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE IT'S REALLY PATHETIC THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE WITH ME AS A TOWN SUPERVISOR ATTENDING MEETINGS YOU HAVE

EVERY WEEK. >> PLEASE BALL TRY TO CONTROL YOURSELF.

DRIVES GO CONTROL YOURSELF. IT'S REALLY PATHETIC THAT YOU GO TO A PROCUREMENT MEETING AND THEY ASK YOU WHAT DO YOU DO IN EMERGENCY SEATS REGARDING PROCUREMENT AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER WHEN WE VOTED ON A RESOLUTION AFTER DOING AN RFP AND SELECTING A CONTRACTOR WHO COULD BE READY WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TIME WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY LIKE THE WATER MAIN BREAK ON CENTRAL AVENUE WE DON'T HAVE TIME WHEN AN EMERGENCY OCCURS

FACTORS IN ONE DAY AN EMERGENCY PULL. >> I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO NOT

TO BE INTERRUPTED SO EMERGENCY OKAY. >> WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT WON THE BID THAT HANDLES THIS ON EAST AND WHEN ON ELM STREET LITTLE LEAGUE WHEN THAT OCCURRED IT HAPPENED ON A THURSDAY NIGHT. THERE'S NO TIME TO GO OUT TO BID AND FIGHT. WE HAD WE WE WERE GOOD. WE DID SOMETHING GOOD.

WE RECOGNIZED THAT EMERGENCIES HAPPEN AND THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY READY TO GO.

AND SO WE WE AWARDED A BID. YOU VOTED ON IT. YOU PROBABLY DON'T REMEMBER IT . YOU SIGNED THE CONTRACT. YOU PROBABLY DON'T REMEMBER SIGNING IT BUT YOU DID AND THAT'S WHO WE ARE USING TO DEAL WITH EMERGENCIES AND FOR YOU TO SAY YOU NEED FRANK TO SHOW UP THE BUILDING I MEAN THE BUILDING INSPECTOR OF THE COMMISSIONER OF DPW TO ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION LIKE THAT AND YOU'RE THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER THAT'S SHOCKING TO ME. BUT EVEN THEN THE PERSON IS NOT TO ASK IS FRANK IT'S ASKING YOUR PURCHASING DIRECTOR OR THAT PERSON A PURCHASING DIRECTOR SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT PURCHASING AND I URGE YOU TO DO THAT AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS AN AD HOC COMMITTEE SO LET'S MAKE THAT IT'S NOT A COMMITTEE OF THE TOWN APPOINTED BY THE TOWN. IT'S AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT HAS BEEN GATHERED BY THE SUPERVISOR. I'D ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT MAYBE WHEN THESE QUESTIONS COME UP IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANNOUNCER, WHY DON'T YOU WRITE THEM DOWN AND THEN YOU CAN SIT DOWN THE NEXT DAY WITH THE WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR OR OR THE DEPUTY OR WHOMEVER THE

QUESTION IS DIRECTED TO AND THEN WE GOT TO GET ANSWERS. >> WELL, ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT TO REALLY BE AS I SAID IN THE FUTURE IF I ASK THE COMMISSIONER TO ATTEND A

MEETING, I EXPECT THE COMMISSIONER TO ATTEND. >> SO THEN WHEN THERE'S AN EMERGENCY IT'S NOT A CHOICE. IT'S NOT A CHOICE HE HAS TO ATTEND AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY IF THE COMMISSIONER IS DEALING WITH EMERGENCY WORK HE WILL NOT BE PRESENT BECAUSE THE EMERGENCY IT'S NOT UP TO YOU KNOW IT IT NO NO HE'S STILL SO YOU WANT OKAY SO IF A BUILDING IS ON FIRE AT THE BUILDING IS ON FIRE YOU WANT HIM TO LEAD OFF THE FACT THAT BURNING

BUILDING TO COME IN CITY AND TALK TO YOU? >> NO BUT HE TELL YOU OH NO NO NO HE SAID AND MY QUESTION THEY THEY INDICATED BEFORE THE EMERGENCY IS THAT HE WAS NOT

SHOWING UP. >> YOU EMAILED ME I EMAILED YOU I DID I BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IT WAS GOING ON BECAUSE I TALKED TO HIM. HE SAID HE WAS GOING ON FOR THE DAY SHOW. HE HASN'T YOU KNOW HE SHOULD BE ATTENDING DEPARTMENT HAD

MEETINGS GUYS HE WROTE TO YOU AND TOLD YOU WHAT WAS GOING ON. >> YOU YOU COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW WHAT? BECAUSE BASICALLY EVEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ACTING LIKE OH, THE DEPARTMENT IS SO WHAT IS THAT?

>> WHAT IS THAT WHAT DID YOU I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW ANY SOCIAL MEDIA I HAVE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO

CHOOSE A SOCIAL MEDIA. >> OKAY. WHEN HE WANTED YOU TO REMOVE ALL THE OPINIONS FROM OUR WEBSITE YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WEBSITE MODERATOR WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT I'M GOING TO SAY SO THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. >> WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE

CONTENT ON THE WEBSITE. >> YOU'RE ALREADY VIOLATING YOUR OWN SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY OR NOT CAUSE YOU THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING THIS AT THE TOP CAN WE STAY ON TOPIC IS A FINDING A SOCIAL MEDIA MODERATOR OKAY. AND ACTUALLY I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS A LOT BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A LARGER NEED THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WHICH IS REALLY A FULLER COMMUNIQUE ROLE IF WE HAVE SOMEWHERE IN THE BUDGET TO HAVE SOMEONE DO THOSE COMMUNICATION FUNCTIONS THAT A TOWN OF OUR SIZE REALLY NEEDS AND ARE YOU LISTENING?

>> YEAH, I'M LISTENING. I'M JUST SEEING WHAT ELSE? OKAY SO OKAY SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOMEONE TO DO WEBSITE MANAGEMENT TO DO SOCIAL MEDIA BOTH YOU KNOW MONITORING WHAT'S

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SO IS THE PERSON A LAWYER NOW? DO THEY NEED TO BE? I THINK THEY DO BECAUSE THERE'S

A LOT OF LEGAL ISSUES INVOLVED IN THIS. >> WE HAVE TO SEE IF THERE'S A WESTCHESTER CIVIL SERVICE TITLE FOR THIS. OKAY, LET'S LET'S DO THAT.

YEAH, LET'S DO THAT AND SEE WHAT THE SALARY LEVEL IS WHETHER IT'S A BUDGET.

YEAH. IF WE COULD ROLL THIS INTO HAVING SOMEONE TAKE ON THE BROAD A BROADER ROLE THAT WOULD BE REALLY REALLY GOOD WOULDN'T IT REALLY BE TWO POSITIONS THOUGH YOU WOULD NEED SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY DEVELOPS AND PUTS THINGS ON THE WEB BUT YOU SHOULD IT REALLY BE THE SAME PERSON WHO DECIDES THIS IS APPROPRIATE? WELL THEY ARE VERY WELL VERSED WITH WHAT KINDS OF THINGS SHOULD BE IN THOSE SO THEY

WOULD BE POSTING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS PRESUMABLY. >> WELL, IT'S WORTH IT.

YEAH. WELL I THINK IT'S WORTH A DISCUSSION BUT I ALSO THINK THAT ONE THING THE BOARD COULD IMMEDIATELY DO IS REMOVE ALL THE NEGATIVE POSTS ON THE HOME PAGE OF THE WEBSITE BECAUSE YOU KNOW EVERYBODY WHO LOOKS AT THE WEBSITE KNOWS THAT THERE WAS A FORENSIC REPORT AND AND THE THING IT'S BEEN UP FOR MONTHS AND BASICALLY ANYONE WHO'S LOOKING AT MOVING TO THE TOWN IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOME PAGE OR THE WEBSITE OR YOU SEE MORE NEGATIVITY THAN POSITIVE INFORMATION. SO WHY WOULD SOMEBODY WANT TO MOVE TO THE TOWN IF ON OUR WEB SITE IS BASICALLY TELLING PEOPLE IS BASICALLY BEING USED FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES? SO I REMOVED EVERYTHING EVERY OPINION THAT I HAVE ON FROM THE TOWN WEBSITE. YOU KNOW, I'VE INDICATED THAT IF I HAVE DISAGREEMENTS WITH THE BOARD ON FINANCIAL ISSUES OR ON HIRING I'M NOT POSTING IT ON THE TOWN WEBSITE AND I'M ASKING THE BOARD TO DO THE SAME THING WHEN WE HAVE THE OF YOU DISTRICT LEADERS EVERYBODY WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT ALL THE BICKERING THAT GOES ON AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE BOARD COULD DO IS BASICALLY SEND A MESSAGE THAT YOU HEARD WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE TOWN WEBSITE TO BE DAMAGING TO THE TOWN RIGHT NOW.

I DIDN'T HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT THE WEBSITE. DID YOU HEAR THEM TALK ABOUT

THE WAY I THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WENT ON? >> WE TALKED ABOUT OUR TOWN BOARD MEETINGS. I KNOW BECAUSE LET ME SAY SOMETHING THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT OUR TOWN BOARD MEETINGS BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE TOWN WEBSITE IS IS BASICALLY USED BY POTENTIAL RESIDENTS AND POTENTIAL BUSINESSES WE HAVE BECAUSE PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER THEY WANT TO LOCATE HERE OR MOVE HERE OR HAVE A BUSINESS HERE, THEY LOOK AT THE WEBSITE AND YOU'RE DRIVING PEOPLE AWAY. SO YOU'RE DAMAGING THE TOWN BY

PUTTING DAMAGING INFORMATION AND LEAVING IT UP EVERY MONTH. >> YOU KNOW, YOU KEEP CHANGING

IT SO IT STAYS ON THE HOME PAGE. >> THE FORENSIC REPORT IS A REALITY BUT YOU KNOW WHAT POLITICAL WEAPON WE HAVE WE HAVE YOU ARE IT'S YOU YOU

CHANGE THE TERMS. >> YOU CHANGE YOUR LIFE AND I GUESS I JUST COULD I JUST BE SAYING STOP LYING. THE FORENSIC REPORT YOU'VE POLITICIZED IT AS A WEAPON NOT

AS A ROADMAP FOR IT TO IMPROVE. >> I TELL YOU TRYING TO FORENSIC EVERY PART OF HERE YOU

WRITE THE FORENSIC REPORT IS A REALITY. >> I KNOW YOU WANT TO BURY IT.

I KNOW YOU DIDN'T. >> I KNOW I WANT YOU TO AGREE TO HAVE A FORENSIC REPORT FOR

2020 TO BE INTERRUPTED IN 2020 WILL CONTROL IT. >> YOU CAN YOU TRY AND CONTROL YOURSELF. I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE INTERRUPTED AND I'LL WAIT FOR YOU AND YOU WANT TO RESPOND. ARE YOU OKAY? THE FORENSIC REPORT IS A REALITY. WE'VE BARELY MADE A DENT IN THE $100 MILLION THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. THAT'S OUR TOWN CONTROLLER. THE $100 MILLION THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN OUR COFFERS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE. WE'RE ABOUT TO DO AN AUCTION WHICH IS GOING TO BE A PIN DROP IN TRYING TO COLLECT THE $30 MILLION OF OUTSTANDING PROPERTY TAXES SO TO SAY YOU DON'T WANT IT UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S DAMAGING.

YEAH, IT IS DAMAGING THAT THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THAT REPORT HAPPENED NEXT.

>> WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU REMOVED YOUR OPINIONS. THERE ARE NO OPINIONS UP ON THAT WEBSITE. YEAH THERE IS NO OPINION UP ON THAT WEBSITE.

THE FORENSIC REPORT IS AN AS AN AS A REALITY AN OPINION AND TRY TO CONTROL YOURSELF YOU THE

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THE TOWN? >> SO BASICALLY YOU'RE YOU'RE TRYING TO HURT AND DAMAGE THE

TOWN. >> THERE'S A VIDEO OF YOU KNOW ,YOU'RE TRYING TO DAMAGE THE TOWN. PAUL IF YOU DON'T HARASS PEOPLE ,YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING ACCUSED OF HARASSMENT. SOMEBODY COULD WATCH THAT VIDEO AND SEE SHE WAS BEING HARASSED . NOW YOU COULD SAY, HEY, THAT'S YOU KNOW, HELPING A LAWSUIT BUT WHAT YOU COULD REALLY DO TO STOP THE LAWSUIT IS STOP HARASSING OUR STAFF ON HARASSED YOU DO THE IT IT WE ARE VERY FAR BEHIND IN TIME HERE LET'S GO TO THE FOIL FOIL YEAH RIGHT

SO WHERE ARE WE WITH THE FOIL YOU HAVE HAVE YOU. >> I RESPONDED TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY. SO HAVE YOU HAVE YOU ISSUED AN AFFIRMATION THAT YOU DO NOT USE THE FINAL 98@AOL.COM FOR A GOVERNMENT PURPOSE BASICALLY I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW ALL YOUR EMAILS. OKAY. RIGHT.

I GAVE YOU SO IS THERE AN AFFIRMATION I DON'T SEE AN AFFIRMATION.

THE AFFIRMATION IS YOU GAVE ME A DRAFT AFFIRMATION AND THIS AFTERNOON I LOOK THROUGH EVERY EVERY EMAIL WRITE AFFIRMATIONS ARE SIGNED. I WILL SIGN.

I WILL SIGN IT AND WHEN YOU TELL ME TO SIGN IT OKAY I'LL PRINT IT ON IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO BRING CLOSURE TO THIS BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS A WHILE AGO BUT IT WAS STILL THE TOWN HAD TO PAY $37,500 BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT CLOSURE IN A FOIL APPEAL HEARING AND NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO THE FOIL AND WE HOLD IT ON EACH THE AGENDAS WEEK AFTER WEEK AFTER WEEK AND NOW WE ARE HERE AND ALL THE PERSON IS ASKING FOR AS I UNDERSTAND IT AT THIS POINT AND YOU SAY YOU DO NOT USE 598 FOR ANY GOVERNMENT PURPOSE IS AN AFFIRMATION THAT THAT'S ACCURATE AND THAT WOULD BE THE END OF IT. BUT WE'RE NOW I THINK THREE WEEKS INTO THAT REQUEST. SO BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO AS A BOARD MAKE A DECISION ON THIS JUST SO WE PROTECT THE TOWN FROM YOU KNOW, APPEAL THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY LOSE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WE HAVE NOT AS A BOARD RESPONDED TO THAT FOIL APPEAL. OKAY. BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD I WILL

PRINT IT OUT. >> OKAY. THANKS.

OKAY. NEXT AGENDA REVIEW OF THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THE HEALTH CARE BUYOUT. UM, YOU KNOW I BASE WHAT NUMBER ARE WE ON WE JUST SEE OKAY SO

TB TV4 IS A HEALTH CARE BUYOUT . >> YES.

OKAY. BEFORE UM I WAS GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA PACKET UH, LAST NIGHT I GUESS IT WAS BECAUSE WE WEREN'T WE DIDN'T REALLY LOOK AT A RESOLUTION OR TALK ABOUT

ONE YET. >> UM, WE HAVE AN UPDATE TO THE AGENDA.

OH, OKAY. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WAS CAN YOU CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MY CELL PHONE SCREEN? UM, SEE THE C FOUR FOR SALE FOR NO SORRY THE RESOLUTION WAS CORRECT BUT THE HEADING WAS INCORRECT TO HAVE THE WRONG UM ,ABOUT O'DELL HOUSE

RESTORATION. >> YES. OKAY.

SO FOR SOME RESOLUTION ONLINE WAS CORRECT BUT THE AGENDA WAS OKAY.

OKAY OKAY. YEP. OKAY.

ANYWAY, BACK TO THE INSURANCE YOU SEE TV THREE THROUGH FOUR. SORRY TV FOR I TOOK WHAT WAS LIKE A SORT OF A BASIC RESOLUTION AS IT WAS IN THE PACKET.

I'M NOT SURE HOW WAS IT WE DIDN'T THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION. WE HAVE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ELSE. I DID A VERSION OF IT WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY REALLY TO DISCUSS THAT YET BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE UM TO THE MEETING SO BUT WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT, SEE HOW EVERYONE FEELS ABOUT THE WORDING AND WELL YOU KNOW THE CONCERN THAT I HAD WAS THERE'S TWO CONCERNS. ONE IS IT SAYS TB FOUR WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA. I WAS NEVER INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY DISCUSSIONS SO IF THERE WAS A DISCUSSION WITH OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT WAS A VIOLATION OF OKAY, YOU

DIDN'T HAVE A WE DIDN'T HAVE IT. >> OKAY THEN HOW DID THIS GET ON THE AGENDA? BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE NEED THREE BOARD MEMBERS TO PUT ANYTHING

ON THE AGENDA. >> SO HOW COME NOBODY TOLD ME? NO, I'M I'M SORRY.

I'M A LITTLE TAKEN ABACK. SO YOU COME KNOW WE THIS I DRAFTED IT AND PUT IT ON BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE CONSENSUS AMONGST ALL BOARD. I DID NOT HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION. I NEVER I NEVER FIRST OF ALL I YOU KNOW MY FEELING IS THAT NO ELECTED OFFICIAL PART TIME TOWN BOARD MEMBER SHOULD NOT BE GETTING 22 ON NOT SAYING OKAY

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NOW LET'S STOP HERE. LET'S WAIT CAN WE STOP HERE? >> OH NO, NO PAUL SO READ THE RESOLUTION. THAT'S HOW WE'RE MOVING THIS FORWARD.

YOU WHAT? YOU'VE GOT A CONCERN. WE ADDRESSED IT.

YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE ARE ADDRESSING BECAUSE YOU'RE READ THIS TOO MUCH.

YOU SEE I RATHER TALK FOR DID YOU READ YOUR OWN ME DID YOU READ YOUR OWN EMAIL?

YOU SAID THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED. >> COUNCIL WANTS TO ADDRESS IT SO NOW WE ADDRESSING WE PUT A RESOLUTION TOGETHER. THANK YOU JOY FOR REVIEWING IT.

I DID REVIEW IT. NO, LET ME AS A QUESTION BUT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN HAVE CONVERSATIONS. YES. BUT THE FACT TO SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THAT IT'S A SHAME THAT WE'RE RECEIVING ALL THIS MONEY AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ADDRESS IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE TOWN WHO DRAFTED A RESOLUTION TO

ADDRESS THIS. >> PAUL SO RIDICULOUS THAT YOU TAKE A $40,000 FOR NO ONE'S NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT THAT. WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE WERE MOVING FORWARD.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDRESSING IT AND AND PUT A CAP ON IT AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

SO YOU KEEP BRINGING THIS AS AN ISSUE BUT YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING YOU HAVEN'T BROUGHT A RESOLUTION FORTH. YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CONVERSATION ALL YOU DO IS COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN AND THROW OUT SHOTS. WHY DON'T YOU JUST DO SOMETHING AND SAY HEY, I LOOKED AT AS THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER THAT YOU KEEP TOUTING THAT THAT I'M RECOGNIZING ALL THE DIFFERENT FINANCIAL STREAMS. I'M REALLY I'M REALIZING THE INCREASE OF COSTS WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO. HERE'S AN IDEA THAT I HAVE TO SEE HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THESE COST ISSUES THAT WE HAVE. YOU HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION ONCE. NEVER EVER, EVER EVER. WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS SO TO SIT HERE AND WANT TO SIT HERE AND GET THE IMPETUS WHEN DID YOU DO ALL THIS ANALYSIS AND THAT JUST CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER AND ALL THIS WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT'S WRONG.

THAT'S A LIE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT DO THAT AGAIN. I WILL APPRECIATE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE TOWN ATTORNEY FOR DRAFTING BASED ON ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN FRUSTRATION THAT YOU HEARD FROM US. THANK YOU FOR DRAFTING THAT RESOLUTION AND TO TO COUNCILWOMAN HABER'S POINT TO SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. LET ME ASK A QUESTION. SO AND I ALSO HAVE A VERSION.

YEAH. SO THIS IS JUST CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE.

>> SO ARE WE GOING TO ARE WE GOING TO HOLD THIS OVER THEN BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE REVIEWING OKAY SO THE QUESTION IS WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HAVE COULD WE PUT THIS ON FOR A WORK SESSION DISCUSSION FOR NEXT TUESDAY? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M SAYING WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA NOW? NO, BUT I'M SAYING IF YOU HOLD OVER COULD WE COULD WE HAVE COULD WE HAVE A CONVERSATION, A DISCUSSION AND HOPEFULLY SEE IF WE COULD REACH A CONSENSUS NEXT TUESDAY ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AND I'LL COME UP WITH MY OWN OPTIONS. YOU KNOW, ONE IS THAT I DON'T THINK A PART TIME ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE GETTING YEAH, WELL WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING

YOUR OPINION RIGHT NOW. >> THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. AND I WILL SAY THIS AS AS THE NEWEST TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU KNOW, I NEVER SAW AN INCREASE OVER TIME THAT YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED IN YOUR ROLE AS ALSO FULL TIME AND CFO OF MONITORING HOW THESE INCREASES HAVE GONE UP.

>> I MEAN I THINK THAT YOU THINK I THINK THAT I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.

>> I THINK THAT YOU THINK BECAUSE YOU TAKE THE HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT'S THE END OF YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND IT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MONITOR THIS OVER TIME.

>> WE'RE NOT HERE FULL TIME. WE'RE NOT HERE SO SO AND I BELIEVE THAT WHOEVER IS ALSO WORKING WITH THESE BENEFITS THE BENEFIT MANAGER SHOULD BE REPORTING REGULARLY TO US SO WE

KNOW OH LOOK THIS HAS GONE UP THIS YEAR. >> THIS IS I'VE NEVER SEEN A

REPORT LIKE THAT. >> I HAVEN'T EVEN I DON'T I'M NOT WASN'T EVEN AWARE UNTIL WE STARTED DELVING INTO THIS THAT THERE HAD BEEN A HUGE JUMP BECAUSE THIS IS HOW IT WORKS IN

OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. >> NOBODY ELSE WE KNOW I'M SORRY.

>> SO NO SO SO EVERYONE WHO WAS IN A PARTICULAR MUNICIPALITY IS IN A VACUUM UNLESS THEY HAVE A PARTICULAR EXPERIENCE WHICH IS UNUSUAL OF WORKING FOR MORE THAN ONE.

>> BUT EVERYONE HERE IS JUST ASSUMING THIS IS HOW IT IS EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW? BUT BUT IT ISN'T BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING THAT ANALYSIS OF THIS HAS

BEEN SO TROUBLING TO YOU. >> THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CERTAINLY WORTH LOOKING INTO YOU YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT IN 2013 AND MAYBE AT THE TIME IT MADE SENSE FOR THAT 50% THAT WAS THE CONTRACT THAT YOU SIGNED WHEN BUT THE NUMBERS STARTED GROWING EXPONENTIALLY STARTING IN 2018 ON THE PREMIUMS THE PREMIUMS WENT UP 20 1617 I MEAN 2018, 19, 20.

SO IN ALL THE YEARS BETWEEN 2013 AND 2018 YOU DIDN'T BRING THIS UP NOW AFTER 6 OR 7 YEARS OF THE THE PREMIUMS GOING UP SO HIGH AND OUR CONCURRENT ARE BEING THE TOWN'S CONCURRENT BENEFITS PACKAGE RESPONDING TO THOSE COSTS HAVE GONE UP. YOU'RE JUST BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION NOW SO YOU BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION AND WHEN YOU DID WE SAID OKAY, GIVE US THE

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DATA, GIVE US A PLAN. >> YOU DIDN'T YOU KEEP NO YOU DIDN'T GIVE US A PLAN.

>> YOU LOOKED INTO WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DID BUT YOU DIDN'T GIVE A PLAN FOR US AS A JUMPING OFF POINT. SO THIS AND THANK YOU TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY THIS IS THIS IS A STARTING POINT. WE AT THE VERY LEAST ARE RESPONDING TO WHAT YOU SAID TO WHAT OUR CONSTITUENTS SAID. WE'RE RESPONDING BY SAYING OKAY, WE'LL PUT A CAP ON IT FOR NOW AND THEN IT HAS TO BE NEGOTIATED SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER.

BUT TO TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG, WELL, I ACTUALLY I HAVE GREENSBURG TOWN HEALTH INSURANCE SO YEAH, I'M NOT QUOTE UNQUOTE BENEFITING FROM THAT THIS THIS BUYOUT. BUT NONETHELESS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER.

WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. OKAY. SO WE'RE WE'RE GOING FORWARD

WE'RE WORKING FORWARD AND WE SHOULD MOVE ON WITH IT. >> OKAY.

SO NEXT TUESDAY WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE HEALTH CARE BUYOUT AND I WILL REACH OUT TO PEOPLE AND I WILL SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, POLICY, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN ATTORNEY HAS INDICATED TO PEOPLE FOR LIKE OH WELL I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO YOU. I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO THE I'M GOING TO YOU ASKED ME TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER ANOTHER WHAT YOU SAID THE TOWN ATTORNEY INDICATED BUT YOU DIDN'T YOU INDICATED THAT FOR MOST OF THE EMPLOYEES THE HEALTH CARE BUYOUT IS CONTRACTUAL FOR MANAGEMENT. IT'S NOT CONTRACTUAL.

SO THE TOWN BOARD BASICALLY COULD UNILATERALLY WITHOUT WITH NO SOME OBJECTIVE PROVIDE LEGAL ADVICE ON THAT BUT THE TOWN BOARD BASICALLY COULD YOU KNOW HAS ABILITY WITHOUT WITHOUT BREAKING UNION RULES TO BASICALLY HAVE A POLICY FOR MANAGEMENT OR MANAGEMENT AND BASICALLY FOR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT'S THE ONLY AND AND THEN WHEN WE GO TO THE UNIONS FOR NEGOTIATIONS WE COULD BASICALLY ASK WE COULD USE THE UNIONS AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS TO TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO ADDRESS THAT'S IN THE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. BUT I'M JUST SAYING SO SO BY NEXT WEEK I'M GOING TO TRY COMING UP WITH A PROPOSAL FOR MANAGEMENT AND FOR I CAN I SUGGEST THAT YOU READ THE RESOLUTIONS THE PROPOSED RESOLUTIONS THAT'S THAT'S IN THE EMAIL BECAUSE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION WILL HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. BUT YEAH, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DETAILED DISCUSSION AND THEN WE COULD HOPEFULLY REACH A CONSENSUS.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY UPSET WITH US THAT I THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL BE GRATEFUL IF THE TOWN BOARD IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE AND SHOWS THAT WE'RE LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY ANGER ABOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS. SO IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IN 2016 YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT WENT UP AND IT'S TRUE IT WENT UP.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE LEARNING SO THE THING IS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF SOMEBODY HAD

CAUGHT IT. >> YOU KNOW, EARLIER ON I DID INCLUDE THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. WELL, YOU KNOW, I DID INCLUDE IN MY BUDGET MESSAGE IN 2024 AT THE END OF LAST YEAR AFTER THE FIRST QUARTER AND THE YEAR BEFORE I REMEMBER DISCUSSING WITH THE TOWN BOARD DURING A WORK SESSION MY MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS IS A CONSTITUENT POINTED IT OUT TO YOU AND I BOUGHT IT AND I DID BRING IT UP BUT THIS IS NOT PART OF YOUR MONITORING IN YOUR ROLE. BUT I DID BRING IT UP SO IT DIDN'T BRING UP AND WE ASKED

HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. >> WELL, I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY TAKE THE INSURANCE EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE ANOTHER GOVERNMENT SPONSOR, A GOVERNMENT PAID INSURANCE POLICY THAT COVERS YOU. I'M A FULL TIME YOU YOU TAKE THE INSURANCE WHICH COSTS ABOUT $43,000 A YEAR AND THAT'S AT 50%.

IF IT WAS 60, WOULD YOU THEN TAKE THE BUYOUT OR A 70 OR WHAT AMOUNT WOULD IT BE WHERE YOU WOULD SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING TO SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY BY TAKING THE BUYOUT? WELL, BECAUSE AT 50 IT'S NOT WORKING. SO FOR YOU TAKING THE 43,000 AS OPPOSED TO THE 20,000 AND CHANGE YOUR YOU MAKE YOURSELF OUT AS YOU CAN YOU ARE THE HERO OF THE TAXPAYER BECAUSE YOU DON'T TAKE THE BUYOUT BUT THAT THAT THAT HERO IS 43 $43,000

VERSUS WHAT THE BUYOUT IS WHICH IS 50 NOW MAYBE 50 IS TOO HIGH. >> MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER

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GOOD. >> I ACTUALLY ASKED A REPORTER TO DO THAT AS PART OF A STORY BUT HE DIDN'T AND IT'S NOT WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE THAT THEY OFFER IT'S HOW MUCH ARE THE SAVINGS NOW WE HAVE LEARNED THROUGH THE STORY THAT THE STATE HAS NO BUYOUT.

RIGHT. WHICH MEANS THEY SAVED NO MONEY ON THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE.

EVERYBODY GETS THE FULL HEALTH INSURANCE WHETHER THEY WANT THAT OR NOT.

THERE'S NO BUYOUT. SO WHAT WE'RE OFFERING IS A BUYOUT SO THAT THERE IS A SAVINGS TO THE TAXPAYER BUT THERE'S ALSO AN INCENTIVE TO THE EMPLOYEE.

AND SO WE KNOW THAT IN A WORST CASE SCENARIO MEANING EVERY EMPLOYEE HAS TO PAY 15% INTO THEIR THEIR FOR THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE THAT IT'S AT LEAST $1.2 MILLION.

WE'RE SAVING THE TAXPAYERS WITH OUR BUYOUT PROGRAM. NOW YOU LOOK AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND SAY OH THEY OFFER $2,000 SO THEY OFFER $5,000 BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW IS THAT SAVING THEM ANY MONEY BECAUSE MAYBE VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE TAKING THE BUYOUT AND THAT IS THE DATA I WOULD REALLY LIKE AND I FRANKLY I DIDN'T EXPECT THE REPORTER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN A MATTER OF DAYS BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AN ANALYSIS AT EACH

MUNICIPALITY TO WANT TO DO THAT. >> BUT WE CERTAINLY KNOW IF THERE'S A ZERO BUYOUT THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO SAVINGS BUT WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT THAT IS THE PROPER PERCENTAGE OR DOLLAR AMOUNT AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO FACE.

>> THIS IS A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION BECAUSE I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE HAND THE BOARD IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT WE'RE OPEN TO REVIEWING THE HEALTH CARE BUYOUT.

>> SO WE ALL KNOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE WHERE IT IS.

>> OKAY. SO WE ALSO WE ALL WE'RE ALL AGREEING THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES SO WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT. SO THAT'S A POSITIVE.

SO NOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO IF WE DON'T WANT ANY THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN TO SAY OH THERE'S ABUSES, THIS IS A HORRIBLE THING. WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT MAKES COMMON SENSE TO THE AVERAGE PERSON. SO IF WE COULD BASICALLY GET YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD TAKE SOME STEPS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE HAVE COME UP WITH YOU KNOW, A PLAN OF ACTION TO ANALYZE WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING AND THE SUCCESSES AND FAILURES, THEN WE COULD BASICALLY SAY TO THE COMMUNITY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING IT.

THIS IS WHY IT'S GOING TO SAVE AND THEN NOBODY'S GOING TO THINK THAT OH, THIS IS A YOU

KNOW, WE'RE RIPPING WELL PUT THAT IDEA IN THERE. >> THIS WAS A GOOD THIS IS A

VERY GOOD NO BUT NOBODY IS PAID NO ONE IS RIPPING OFF PEOPLE. >> WE TOLD YOU THE DATA IS THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE MINISTER HAS DONE THIS.

THE DATA IS THERE TO SHOW THAT IT'S AT LEAST $1.2 MILLION AT THE BUYOUT IS SAVING AND YOU

CAN YOU CAN'T ARGUE THAT THAT'S A FACT. >> THAT'S NOT A REPAYMENT.

OF COURSE DAVID INDICATED THAT IT'S COSTING US MORE THAN THE SAVINGS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, DAVID WASN'T WELL, I MET HIM. I MET HIM.

I MET HIM AND HE HE HAD THE OPINION THAT EVERY COSTS AND INITIALLY IT WAS $1.8 MILLION IN BUYOUT AND OR NO IT'S COSTING 1.9 MILLION IN BUYOUT COST AND THE TOWN IS SAVING 1.8. THERE'S NO NET GAIN BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT CORRECT.

>> THERE'S A NET GAIN OF $1.2 MILLION AND THAT'S ASSUMING WORST CASE SCENARIO WHERE EVERYONE HAS TO PAY 15% IN IT AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT THE CASE BUT WE'RE GOING TO RUN THOSE

NUMBERS AND WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A MORE ACCURATE NUMBER. >> WELL, AT LEAST ONE POINT

WELL WE YEAH. >> SO BASED ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU KNOW SO WHAT NUMBER DO YOU THINK IT IS? YEAH BUT WHAT DO YOU HAVE I TOLD YOU I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS A LOT OF ATTENTION DURING THE WEEK AND I'LL COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL.

DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO AWAY WITH THE BUYOUT? I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DO AWAY WITH THE BUYOUT FOR FOR PART TIME TOWN BOARD MEMBERS AND I AND WE JUST HAPPEN TO PICK

PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTING YOU WITH THE UPCOMING ELECTION. >> OH, I BASICALLY I FEEL THAT YOU JUST HAPPEN TO BE DOING THIS AFTER THE FORENSIC REPORT WHICH WE DIDN'T WANT BUT WE

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THE FULL BENEFITS THAT OTHER EMPLOYEES GET. >> WHEN I WAS WORKING AS A PART TIME HEALTH PLAN YOU EITHER GET IT OR YOU DON'T. YOU YOU MEET A THRESHOLD OF OURS. YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HOURS AND THEN YOU'VE

GOT A HEALTH PLAN. >> IT CAN'T BE PRO-RATED BASED ON HOW MANY HOURS YOU WORK.

>> YOU EITHER QUALIFY OR YOU DON'T. NOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A TWO TIERED SYSTEM OF A FAMILY BUYOUT AS OPPOSED TO A SINGLE BUYOUT WHICH MAY BE AN

OUTLIER I DON'T KNOW. >> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER HERE IS ARE IS THE INSURANCE PLAN THAT WE HAVE THE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IS IT THE MOST BOTH ECONOMICAL AND PROVIDE THE BEST HEALTH CARE? I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN IS THAT BEEN LOOKED AT? WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE LOOKED AT THE HEALTH INSURANCE ON HEALTH CARE COVERAGE? YOU COULD GET IT FROM THE COUNTY.

OKAY. SO THE QUESTION IS IF YOU HAVE A REALLY GOOD PLAN WHICH I LOVE IF YOU GET IT FROM THE COUNTY THEN AND YOU'RE A PART TIME TOWN BOARD MEMBER, WHY SHOULD

YOU BE GETTING THE THE THE FULL $20,000 HEALTH CARE COVERAGE? >> YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? THE QUESTION BE TO YOU IF YOU ARE COVERED BY A STATE PLAN STATE NEW STATE OF NEW YORK PLAN WHICH THAT THE TAXPAYERS THAT THE TAXPAYERS PAY FOR WHY AREN'T YOU SAVING THE TAXPAYERS $22,000 BY TAKING THE BUYOUT NOW YOU HAVE TURNED THE BUYOUT INTO SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WHO GET THE BUYOUT OR BILLIONS BUT YOU'RE THE HERO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE COSTING THE TAXPAYERS $43,000 BECAUSE YOU DON'T YOU REFUSE TO TAKE THE BUYOUT AND SAVE THEM THE 22,000 OF A BUYER BUYERS THAT YOU ARE YOU ARE SUPPLEMENTING WHEN SOMEONE IS NOT TAKING THE HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THEM. YOU ARE YOU'RE SUPPLEMENTING YOUR YOU'RE SUBSTITUTING SOMETHING ELSE TO GIVE THEM A BENEFIT. THAT'S THE POINT OF A BUYOUT.

OKAY. NOW WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THE AMOUNTS AND THAT'S CERTAINLY DEBATABLE BUT THAT IS THE BASIC PREMISE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GET THE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN AND EVERYONE ELSE GETS NOTHING OR THE PEOPLE THAT'S NOT THAT'S NOT EQUITABLE. SO IT'S THERE'S A WHOLE METRIC FOR THIS AND JUST YOU KNOW, JUST AS A GENERAL RULE IN MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE BOARD THEIR HEALTH PLANS ARE BETTER THAN PRIVATE SECTOR BECAUSE THEY'RE PAID LESS MONEY. SO THE THE BETTER HEALTH PLANS FROM A MUNICIPALITY ARE A BENEFIT AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T TAKE THAT BENEFIT, THERE'S ANOTHER BENEFIT POTENTIALLY THAT COULD BE THE BUYOUT.

SO THERE YOU KNOW THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS TO TO LOOK AT THAT BUT GOING BACK I, I, I KNOW JUST TO SEPARATE JUST THIS WOULD BE THE COUNTY THE COUNTY DOES PAY WE ARE IF YOU WORK PART TIME YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THE BENEFITS JUST TO SUPPORT COUNCILWOMAN HABER'S STATEMENT SO WHY SHOULD IT BE DIFFERENT FOR US? SO AM I NOT ENTITLED TO THE

INSURANCE THEN THERE'S A PART TIMER FORGET ABOUT THE BUYOUT. >> AM I NOT ENTITLED TO GREEN FOR TEN INSURANCE? AS IT HAPPENS I HAVE ANOTHER GOVERNMENT JOB BUT IF I DIDN'T HAVE ANOTHER GOVERNMENT JOB IF I WAS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHICH ISN'T WITH PLANS THAT AREN'T NEARLY AS GOOD FOR AS AS THE COUNTY AS THE COUNTY OR THE THE TOWN PLANS, WHY WOULDN'T I

BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THAT? >> I WORK HARD. I WORK HARD FOR THIS TOWN.

>> WE ALL DO. SO YOU KNOW THIS IS THIS IS ONE OF THE BENEFITS AND BENEFITS FOR FOR NON UNION STAFF AS WELL AND AND MANY TIMES WE HAVE TO STEP UP BECAUSE YOU DON'T QUITE

FRANKLY IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? >> YEAH I GUESS MOST OF US I INVITED A STUDENT I THINK I GAVE YOU A LITTLE STICKING OUT ON THE OLD AGENDAS.

>> YEAH. YEAH. AND DID YOU INCLUDE THAT IN THE NEW VERSION? OH, YOU FORGOT FIRST. YOU KNOW IF I WERE JUST NOT WHICH ONES? IT WAS A CONDITIONAL PRESENTATION ADDITIONAL SECTION EDGEMONT STUDENT WHEN I WAS YOUR COMMENTS ON I WAS HERE BEFORE RIGHT AND THEY SAID WE'LL COME BACK WHEN WE DO KNOW SHE WAS ON WE HAD A RALLY SPONSORED BY SOME STUDENTS AT ONE HIGH SCHOOL AND SHE AND SOMEBODY ELSE YOU KNOW ONE OF HER STUDENT COLLEAGUES UM GAVE LIKE A LESSON FOR A MINUTE PRESENTATION ABOUT THE IMPACT ICE IS HAVING ON THEIR LIVES

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OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'LL HAVE FOUR PRESENTATIONS THAT HAPPEN BUT YEAH.

OKAY. >> 82 IF WE COULD PLEASE HOLD THAT OVER.

I RECEIVED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OVER THE LAST 24 HOURS AND I'D LIKE TO REVIEW IT IN FURTHER DETAIL BEFORE THERE'S A VOTE AND WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO HOLD ON THE LIAISON REPORTS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT FOUR PRESENTATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY DO THE REPORT TO EXPLAIN ABOUT WHAT A WORKDAY ON MONDAY BUT I'LL HOLD OFF BECAUSE WE DO HAVE FOUR PRESENTATIONS BUT I WILL BE DOING THAT AT SOME POINT TO EXPLAIN WHY WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT COVERS BOTH DPW AND BUILDING. I KNOW I CAN DO BOTH AS A KIDDY OH HE'S SPEAKING UNISON I'M AND ALL RIGHT SO WE'LL HOLD OVER TO CELEBRATE IT ON THE AGENDA SO I JUST WANT TO STATE THIS PUBLICLY FOR TB ONE WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION REGARDING ICE ACTIVITIES THAT THAT IS HAS BEEN POSTED FOR ANYONE TO READ IT BEFORE THE MEETING TOMORROW.

>> AND I JUST WANT TO ASK FOR THE I'M NOT GOING TO NAME THE PERSON BUT FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF A PART TIME DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY IT SAYS LIZ GARRITY IT'S RIGHT ON THE AGENDA IS THE PERSON IS EMPLOYED NOW THE NAME THE TOTAL SALARY IF YOU INCLUDE A PREVIOUS STIPEND IS 216,000 AND I JUST WANT TO RUN I JUST WANT TO ASK BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE ASKED THAT YOU DO NOT BUT I'M JUST ASKING IF NOT THE NAME OF THIS IS WHY IT IS HARASSMENT CALL AND YET HAVE TO STOP DISCUSS THIS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION HAVE TO STOP TO HARASSMENT SESSION WELL WE'RE GOING TO STOP THERE FOR FORMAL IT'S A FORMAL WE'RE VOTING WE WELL PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO

KNOW HOW MUCH SOMETHING IS RIGHT BUT YOU DON'T. >> SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT ARE YOU SAYING THE TOWN ATTORNEY A PART TIME TOWN ATTORNEY GETS $230,000 216,000 216,000 FOR A

PART TIME ATTORNEY? >> THIS IS FANTASTIC. YOU KNOW THIS IS HOW WOW, I WANT THAT CHILD UP EVERY YEAR. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS SAYS, PAUL SEE, THAT'S WHY IT'S HARASSMENT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT EVEN TELLING THE TRUTH. IF YOU WERE TO SAY APPOINTMENT OF A LIZ GARRITY OR WHATEVER NAME IS ON THE AGENDA, EVERYBODY KNOWS BECAUSE OF YOU.

EVERYONE KNOWS WHO THE DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR IS AND SHE IS FANTASTIC.

>> YOU KNOW, SHE WENT TO LAW SCHOOL AT NIGHT IN THREE YEARS AND PASSED THE BAR ON THE FIRST TIME AND YOU KNOW WHAT SHE DID? YES. WELL, SHE WAS WORKING HERE FULL

TIME AND YOU SAID NOTHING. >> SHE WAS WORKING SHE WAS GOING TO LAW SCHOOL AT NIGHT AND IT WASN'T A PROBLEM. NOW AT NIGHT INSTEAD OF GOING TO LAW SCHOOL, SHE WANTS TO ACTUALLY WORK AS A PART TIME LAWYER AND NOW BECAUSE YOU HARASS HER YOU SAY HEY, THIS IS TERRIBLE. HOW COME WE'RE PAYING HER ALL THIS MONEY SHE'S GETTING PAID SEPARATELY. SHE'S NOT COMBINING THE SALARY OF THE BEING A FULL TIME DEPUTY BUILDING INSPECTOR AT THE SAME TIME AS THAT AND YOU PUTTING OUT THAT NUMBER JUST LIKE YOU PUT OUT THE THE COMMISSIONER OF DPW AND DIDN'T EXPLAIN THAT IT'S 80 HOURS A WEEK JUST SAYING LIKE AS IF IT WAS GOING TO DO ALL OF THAT IN 35 HOURS IS WHY THERE'S A MAJOR MORALE

PROBLEM IN THIS BUILDING. >> YOU STARTED WITH THE COMPTROLLER AND HARASSING HER BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T DO WHAT YOU WANT HER TO DO WITH THE BUDGET AND YOU GOT TO STOP.

>> YOU JUST I DIDN'T KNOCK HER . >> OKAY.

LET'S CAN WE SO IS THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES ON THE AGENDA? YES, THERE'S A LOT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON TV THREE WE REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT RESOLUTION.

I THINK WE HAVE TO REVIEW THAT ONE THAT SEEMS VERY COMPLICATED TO ME IN TERMS OF THE WORDING I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD GO THROUGH IT BECAUSE YEAH. YEAH.

OKAY. DO WE HAVE IT? YEAH, I'LL PULL IT UP.

OKAY. YOU GOT IT? YEAH, THEY'RE ALL HERE.

ALL THE TVS ARE HERE. YEAH. AND WE'RE HOLDING TV FOR OVER.

YES, I THINK IT WAS BETTER. I JUST THIS IS THE BUYERS ARE ALL DIFFERENT.

THEY'RE ALL THE SAME. THEY'RE ALL THE THEY'RE ALL RESOLUTIONS.

THIS IS THE EYES. THIS IS EVERYTHING. OH NO, WE DON'T NEED NO, NO.

I KNOW THIS WHOLE PACKAGE. OH, YEAH, IT'S A WHOLE PACKAGE. YOU GOT TO TAKE YOUR PACKAGE.

>> YEAH, IT'S A WHOLE PACKAGE. OH, IT'S A PACKET. I MESSED THAT UP, GUYS.

THESE ARE ALL OF THE IT'S IT'S TV 1 TO 4. OKAY, SO I HAVE ONE.

I HAVE ONE AND TO HAVE ONE OF THE TWO TV ONES TO KNOW IS TO BE TWO MIGHT NEED TO BE HELD FULL PACKET TO BE WHAT IT'S THE ALIENATION BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE REQUESTING THE MEATS AND DOWNS

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YES RIGHT. THAT'S THAT TIMING IS SO TIGHT I MEAN I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE ALL LOOKED AT THE MAP AND UNDERSTAND THE EXACT LOCATION AND IT'S NOT RIGHT AND IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO SOMEONE ELSE SAYING WELL LET'S CHANGE THE MEATS AMOUNT IF YOU KNOW THE ABSOLUTE OVERLAY AND YOU ARE SAYING THAT THAT PARKLAND IS SO JOSEPH,

LET'S BE REAL. >> YES. IF WE IF WE LOOK AT A PLAN YOU KNOW BIRD'S EYE VIEW AND IT SAYS THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE GOING THIS IS WHERE THEY'RE GOING WITH IS SO MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL THAN YOU GIVE A SET OF MEATS AND BOUNDS WHERE IT'S

SO MANY DEGREES TO THE LEFT. >> NO ONE UNDERSTANDS WHY I AGREE AND I THINK THE AVERAGE PERSON WILL NOT UNDERSTAND MEATS AND BOUNDS AND THAT'S SUBJECT TO LITIGATION RIGHT NOW. SO RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A

CONDITIONAL KEEP IT ON UNTIL WE VOTE ON IT CONDITIONALLY. >> OKAY, GREAT.

THAT'S YEAH, WE'RE REALLY UNDER THE GUN THERE BECAUSE I CAN CREATE CONDITIONS UPON RECEIPT

OF THE MEAT SUNDOWNS RIGHT. >> THAT COULD BE AN ORAL MOTION TOMORROW NIGHT.

OKAY. >> COULD ALSO BE PUT IN WRITING IT EITHER WAY IS FINE.

PEOPLE ARE READING THESE RESOLUTIONS. I AM READING IT.

WHICH ONE? NOT SOME ACTUAL RESOLUTION. YEAH I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH IT . WITH WHICH ONE? THE CABLE TV ONE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THEM. OKAY.

OKAY. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IS THERE ANY CHANGE IN THIS FROM

THE PAST? >> NO, THIS HAS BEEN UPDATED BECAUSE IN THE PAST IT WASN'T EARLY VOTING. RIGHT. RIGHT.

AND AND THE MAIN THE MAIN IMPETUS OF THIS IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEBATE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT SPONSORED OR MODERATED BY SOMEBODY FROM THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS.

YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, PUT FIVE PEOPLE TOGETHER AND SAY OKAY, IT'S A DEBATE AND THAT GOES ON CABLE GOT IT RIGHT. OKAY. AND WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE WE DIDN'T HAVE EARLY VOTING BACK THEN. OKAY. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN IF A LOT OF RESOLUTIONS THIS WEEK YEAH I THINK THERE'S 47 YEAH WELL NOT THE RECORD BUT OH AND I DID WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THE THREE TOWN BOARD MEMBER VOTE RULE IS FOUR ITEMS ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA NOT THE RESOLUTIONS OR ALL THESE ITEMS ARE POSTED AND THEN SUBJECT TO YOUR REVIEW AND DEPARTMENT HEADS EXPECT CRITIQUING DISCUSSIONS, REMOVAL HOLDOVERS, ITEMS LIKE THAT.

>> SO I PASS OUT MY TV FOUR SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM OVER THE NEXT DAYS OR SO THIS IS A VERSION THIS IS THAT I SHOULD PUT MY NAME AT THE TOP BECAUSE LIKE YOU HAVE A VERSION I HAVE A VERSION AND SO WHOLE VERSION OF MYSELF YES THIS IS ON THE WEBSITE.

SO WHO ANSWERS IS THE ONE I ASKED JOE'S ATTORNEY FRANCIS I CAN TELL YOU IF I TAKE A LOOK AT THE USERS JOE WAS SO WE HAVE NOT SHARE MINE I BELIEVE I WROTE THIS SO THIS IS JUST I

BELIEVE THIS IS THE ONE I WROTE. >> ALL RIGHT SO THE FIRST ONE WE GET ALL THE DIFFERENT VERSIONS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MEET ON THIS THING AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT WE LIKE AND NOT OKAY FROM EACH OF THE THINGS. RIGHT.

SOUNDS GOOD. SO I KNOW JUST FROM LOOKING AT THIS OH, SORRY PAGE TWO THAT I THINK RIGHT NOW IT SAYS A PURCHASE THE OH I KNOW WHAT THAT SOUND IS THE BLOCK GRANT FOR THE BUS YES WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE SPECIFIED IN HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED I'VE SPOKEN WITH WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND WITH WITH WINSOME ABOUT THIS IT'S BETTER IT'S GOING TO BE CUSTOM FITTED IT MAY GET A BATHROOM IN IT INSTEAD THEY'RE WORKING ON A

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THIS IS A THIS IS WHAT WE PUT INTO THE CONTRACT LAST YEAR THEY RENT COMFORTABLE COACH BUSSES FOR THAT PURPOSE. THIS BUS IS MORE FOR SHORT TRIPS AND TO BE USED FOR YOU KNOW LOCAL STUFF I GUESS I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BECAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER BUSSES TOO SO THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE TWO BUSSES GOING ONE WITH THE ONE WITH THE FOUR WHEELCHAIRS AND THEY WILL TAKE A COACH BUS TO GO ANY DISTANCE WHERE THEY NEED A RIDE BUT FOR SHORT TRIPS THEY STILL MIGHT NEED A HANDICAP. YEAH WHAT WE'RE DOING IF WE SAY HANDICAP WE SPECIFY THAT THEN WE ARE PRECLUDING THAT THERE CAN BE A BATHROOM AT ALL.

>> WELL THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT A BATHROOM THIS IS JUST CAME UP TODAY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. LET'S NOT SPECIFY SO THAT THEY

CAN COME BACK AND SAY I'M NO VOTE. >> I'LL TELL YOU I'M NOT VOTING BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT. I DON'T THINK SOMEBODY IN A WHEELCHAIR SHOULD HEAR ABOUT A TRIP SHORT OR LONG AND SAY I CAN'T GO BECAUSE THE BUS THAT'S

NOT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. >> THEY HAVE OTHER BUSSES. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY BUS.

THIS IS JUST A BUS THAT THEY CAN PURCHASE. RIGHT.

AND AND AND REPURPOSE FOR COMFORT FOR IT FOR THE SENIORS .

>> RIGHT. AND YOU DON'T WANT TO COP YOU DON'T WANT TO OUTFIT IF THEY THEY MAY DECIDE TO DO THAT BUT I THINK SO IT'S NOT DO THAT YOU KNOW IT LET'S LET'S GET THE COMMISSIONER ON BECAUSE HE AND I DID SPEAK TODAY YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AND THE OTHER BUSSES ARE OLDER SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY GO OUT THEY REACH THEIR USEFUL LIFE CAN WE

HAVE THE BUS WITHOUT HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY? >> ALL RIGHT.

ARE YOU LISTENING? OKAY. OKAY.

HE'S ON HIS WAY. OKAY, THANKS. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IN THE MEANTIME? SEE, SO NOW WE'VE GONE FROM ELECTRIC HYDRO TO GAS AND NOW IT'S FROM HANDICAPPED. YOU KNOW?

>> WELL, AN ELECTRIC HYBRID BUS IS $800,000 AND I'M JUST SAYING I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT IT'S NOT PERFECT IN ANY WAY. RIGHT. AND BECAUSE OF OUR BUDGET ISSUES WE HAD TO SETTLE FOR GAS BUT WE PUT INTO THE BUDGET 200,000 AS WELL.

THAT WAS WHAT THE CDBG GRANT WAS AND THEN OURS IS A MATCH GRANT RIGHT.

AND IT HAD WE HAD MORE FUNGIBLE ACCESS THAN IT COULD CONCEIVABLY HAVE BEEN A HYBRID BUS BUT BECAUSE OF BUDGET CONSTRAINTS THIS IS NO, NO, NO BUT YOU CAN BUT WE WE DON'T WE WELL I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR GRANT, OKAY? THERE'S NOTHING THAT THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WE WE COULDN'T GIVE MONEY IN EXCESS OF THAT MATCH FROM WHAT I MY IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH WITH SOME WELL ONE THING WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO DO IS

LOSE THE GRANT MATCHING FUNDS. >> WELL THAT'S WHY WE AGREE THAT WE WOULD GET A GAS BUS BUT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE NEWLY FOUND CONSTRAINTS ON OUR BUDGETS AS IDENTIFIED IN THE FORENSIC AUDIT WHICH IS ON THE WEBSITE. OKAY. WITH CITY CITY TEN WE WERE COMFORTABLE WITH EVERYTHING THAT REGENERON PRESENTED AND THE SMALLER SCALE OF THE PROJECT. THAT'S ALL SEEMED VERY MOVING FORWARD.

YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. WE CAN'T MAKE THEM TAKE BUILDER MAKE THAT WELL IT'S BETTER SMALLER BUILD YEAH AND IT GOES TO SHOW HOW MUCH THEY REALLY ANALYZE EVERYTHING AND THEIR STORAGE NEEDS AND YES RIGHT I THINK IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS PW5 RESOLUTION ACCEPTING A $417,750 AWARD IN CONNECTION WITH THE STORMWATER ADVISORY BOARD GRANT ADMINISTERED BY VERSUS TO COUNTY FOR STUDY FUNDING IN CONNECTION WITH THE FLOOD MITIGATION STUDY OF THE TROUBLESOME BROOK AND MANHATTAN PARK WORK AND AUTHORIZING THE

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YOU KNOW I YOU KNOW AT LEAST 6 OR 7 YEARS I KNOW WE HAD A FORMER CONSULTANT AND I BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN BOARD AT THAT TIME HIRED A CONSULTANT AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE COMMISSIONER OR SOMEBODY FROM HIS OFFICE WERE WOULD SPEAK TO US AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THE PREVIOUS STUDIES AND ON WHAT ON THIS STUDY WILL DO THAT ON PREVIOUS STUDIES. YOU KNOW IT DIDN'T BECAUSE I REMEMBER I MEAN THAT WOULD BE GREAT BUT I THINK IT'D BE BETTER FROM THE ENGINEER.

NO, I'M SAYING IT COULD BE RIGHT BUT WE SHOULD ACCEPT. RIGHT.

BUT I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD HAVE THE ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, AT AT A WORK SESSION.

YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD IF THIS IS A GRANT, YOU KNOW WE NEED TO I DON'T WANT TO HOLD IT UP BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MAYBE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE ENGINEER

ABOUT TROUBLESOME BROOK AND MANHATTAN BROOK. >> SURE, SURE.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND AS I RECALL WE WE HAD A STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US IN PART WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. WE'VE RUN INTO SOME ISSUES AND WE WILL WE WILL BRING YOU UP TO SPEED AT A LATER DATE AND THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT STUDY. YOU'RE READY NOW? YEAH. WELL YOU TALKED ABOUT ALL THE TROUBLESOME THAT WAS WELL YEAH WITH TROUBLESOME ROCKS IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT. WE HAD THAT PRESENTATION BEFORE

YOU AND ALSO YEAH. >> SO OKAY SO IT WAS WITHIN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

>> SO WE'RE JOINED BY COMMISSIONER JACKSON TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO SPECIFY THAT THE BUS IS A HANDICAPPED ACCESS RIGHT.

IF WE FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM WINSOME IF WE DEFINITELY WANT TO DO A

HANDICAP THEN IT SHOULD BE SPECIFIED. >> ONE THING I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT AND I JUST DOUBLE CHECKED IT WHILE COMING HERE FOR OUR TRIPS THAT GO PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE THAT WAY THAT WAY TO THE CITY WE REALLY DO NOT HAVE ANYONE WHO IS HANDICAPPED THAT IS ATTENDING THOSE TRIPS CURRENTLY CURRENTLY ABSOLUTELY WITH TWO BUSSES THAT WE HAVE ARE WE WE USE THE 30 PASSENGER THAT HAS A LIVE GATE WHEN WE KNOW WE'RE DOING OUR SENIOR

PROGRAM. >> THOSE ARE ONES THAT WE KNOW HAVE IT AND SOMETIMES WE TAKE THEM SPECIFICALLY ON TRIPS AND WE USE THERE AND WE ALSO HAVE THE 16 PASSENGER WHICH HAS THE

FIRST BUS. >> THE FIRST BUS I WOULD SAY IS 2018.

>> WELL ACTUALLY NO THAT'S THAT SOONER BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE THAT ALSO WHEN SOMEONE WAS ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER THE 30 PASSENGER WITH THE LEFT GATE THAT'S MORE LIKE A 2020 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH THAT'S IN GOOD SHAPE. THAT'S IN GOOD SHAPE.

YES THAT'S IN GOOD SHAPE AND THE SHORTER BUS IS IN GOOD SHAPE.

THEY'RE BOTH THE NEWER BUSSES AND IT COULD BE ON THE ROAD AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE TALKING IT IT IS IT IT IS CERTIFIED IT IS NOT A SCHOOL BUS OR MULTI PURPOSE SCHOOL BUS MEANING IT CANNOT BE USED MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY SIX IN THE MORNING TO SIX IN THE IN AT NIGHT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THAT THING BUT WELL NO NOT JUST BECAUSE OF THE STOP HOURS A MULTIPURPOSE BUS DOESN'T NEED TO STOP BARS IT DOES NEED THE SIGNIFICANT DECALS PUT ON IT WHEN IT WAS CREATED WHEN IT WAS CREATED AND YOU CAN'T PUT A DICKEL ON IT AFTER THE AFTER THE FACT BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE CREATED IN THAT RIGHT. IT WAS ALSO CAME TO LIGHT TODAY WHEN IT HAS THAT DECALS WHICH ONE THE ONE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT HAS THE LIFT THE LIFTGATE UH THE SHORTER BUS DOES HAVE IT THE SHORT BUS HAVE THE 16 PASSENGER OR THE THIRD PASSENGER AND WE HAVE 220 PASSENGERS OF THE SAME SIZE BUT BECAUSE OF THE LIFTGATE IT CUTS OUT A COUPLE OF SEATS.

THOSE HAVE THE PROPER DESIGNATION OF 730 IS 16 AND TWO 20S CORRECT.

>> CAN I CHANGE? I GOT MORE BUT YOU GOT THAT RIGHT?

>> YES. 30 HAS THE LIFTGATE THE 30 HAS A LIFT GATE 16 THE 16 HAS A LIFT GATE AND THE TOES THE TOES DO NOT HAVE A LIFT GATE. WE ALSO HAVE A 36 PASSENGER AND

A 40 PASSENGER. >> NO THAT GATES AND THE COACH BUSSES THAT YOU RENT HAVE LIFT GATES COACH BUSSES DO NOT HAVE LIFT GATES THEY ARE THEIR BATHROOMS RIGHT SO THEY MIGHT

BE THEM? >> I DON'T THINK SO. I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE THAT HAS A

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LIFT GATE LIKE THAT. >> SO FOR THE COACHING STAFF I HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN A COACH BUS HAVE IT BUT IT MIGHT BE SO IF YOU IF YOU HAVE A TRIP FOR MORE THAN 16 OR 20 PEOPLE AND FOR WHICH YOU WOULD USE THE 40 PERSON BUS THAT MIGHT BE A TRIP FOR SENIORS A GREAT DEAL OF SENIORS IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO HAVE HAVE IT BE HANDICAPPED.

YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANYONE WHO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF IT NOW BUT YOU JUST DON'T KNOW IN THE FUTURE. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION WE HAD GOING BACK WHEN WE WERE FIRST APPLYING FOR THE CDBG GRANT. THE ONE OTHER PIECE THAT ADDS TO THIS IS IF YOU DO THE LIFT WE NEED A 40 PASSENGER. WE'VE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD.

>> YOU ADD TO IT BASICALLY TWO IF NOT THREE MORE ROWS BY PUTTING ON THE LIFT GATE MAKING JUST A VERY LONG BUS. I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO PARK THAT AT TDY ICC IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE AND WE'D COME OVER AND GET IT WHEN WE NEED IT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING AND AS I HEARD JOYCE SAY I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK INTO I SPOKE WITH THE GUY TODAY AND I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER OUR FULL CONVERSATION WHETHER HOW TO DO A LIFT GATE AND A BATHROOM.

HE WAS HE SAID I'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE. SO I SUGGEST YOU THINK ABOUT

IT. >> YEAH YEAH I I'M I PRETTY MUCH WOULD SAY NO BECAUSE IF WHENEVER YOU'VE BEEN IN A COACH BUS THE BATHROOM IS ALWAYS IN THE FAR BACK LEFT RIGHT RIGHT YOU WOULD HAVE TO PUT THE AND IT NEEDS TO BE THERE BECAUSE OF WHERE IT DRAINS TO AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THE LIFT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF THAT WHICH COULD IMPEDE HOW YOU GET TO THEN THE BATHROOM BECAUSE OF HOW YOU PUT THE PEOPLE IN THE CHAIRS TO IT AND IT IS A QUESTION ARE YOU GOING TO DO TWO PEOPLE OR FOUR PEOPLE AGAIN MAKING IT BIGGER? UM SO SO IF YOU HAD A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE A SENIOR WHO'S HANDICAPPED YOU'RE GOING YOU KNOW THERE'S A TRIP YOU'VE GOT TO DO YOUR NUMBERS AGAIN, YOU GOT THE MONEY THAT HAS TO 20 SUITCASES 16 DO NOT HAVE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE LIFTGATE ARE THE 1630 30 SORRY.

SO YOU'VE GOT 46 RIGHT THERE POTENTIALLY COULD YOU USE TWO BUSSES TO TO TAKE THEM DOWN

GENERALLY YES. >> I HAVE MY TWO 20 PASSENGERS ARE JUST GETTING SOME WORK DONE TO THEM AT THE MOMENT SO THEY'RE OFF THE LINE AT THE MOMENT.

>> BUT GENERALLY SOMEONE THAT HAS A HANDICAP ACCESS OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

>> IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU HAVE A TRIP WITH MORE THAN 20 PEOPLE YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT TWO BUSSES WITH LIFT GATES THAT ALREADY ARE IN EXISTENCE BE USED.

>> I JUST WHAT I WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS TO GIVE AS MUCH FLEXIBILITY TO FOR THE NEW BUS. YES. SO I WANT TO TAKE YOUR LEAD ON THIS BUT WE WANT TO CONSIDER YOU KNOW, WITH THE SENIORS IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO MIGHT HAVE

A NEED FOR HANDICAPPED, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT ANYWAY. >> SO THERE THERE IS A WAY TO DO THAT DEFINITELY. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE SIX BUSSES AND TO HAVE LIFT GATES 1234567 THERE ARE THERE IS ANOTHER AS I SAID THERE'S A OFF YOUR LIST IS A 32 PASSENGER I DON'T HAVE A 32 RIGHT AND MAYBE 36 PASSENGER IS THE 30 TO HAVE A LOOK YOU KNOW NO ONE ELSE HAS IT SO THERE'S A 4036, 32, 3030 HAS A LIFT GATE 43 SMALL THREE SMALL BUSSES.

TWO OF THEM ARE 20 PASSENGERS NO LIFT GATE ONES. A 16 PASSENGER WITH THE LIFT GATE AND WHICH OF THESE ARE ACTUALLY CERTIFIED WITH THE STICKER ONLY THE SHORTER BUSSES THE 16 AND THE 31 THE TWO 20S AND THE 16. OH OKAY.

SO THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO YOU COULD DO A 20 AND A 16 IF YOU HAD TO DOES 20 YOU DON'T HAVE LIST I KNOW BUT YOU DON'T NEED TWO BUSSES THAN SORRY I JUST I GUESS THAT'S TRUE.

>> I'M SORRY THIS IS LIKE YES THE STICKER THING I'M TALKING ABOUT IS A BETTER IT'S MORE MEDALLION. IT'S THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED THE MEDALLION.

OKAY, UM, BUSSES HAVE TO BE CREATED IN SUCH A CERTAIN WAY TO BE A SCHOOL BUS AND THEY MUST LOOK PRETTY MUCH JUST LIKE A SCHOOL BUS. THE BUS THAT'S BEING OFFERED TO US NOW IS KIND OF A HYBRID BETWEEN A COACH BUS AND A SCHOOL.

>> USE THE WORD DON'T USE THE WORD. NO IT'S NOT.

SO THIS BUS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CANNOT BE USED FOR THIS SCHOOL PURPOSE.

>> IT WILL NOT GET THAT MEDALLION. BUT WHAT THE MEDALLION IS IT A SO A YELLOW BUS DRIVING DOWN THE STREET WITH EVERYTHING ELSE HAS THE MEDALLION THAT SAYS AUTHORIZE SCHOOL BUS USAGE WHEN A BUS LIKE OURS WHITE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO BE

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TO 20. >> MAY I ASK ABOUT THE 16 WHICH HAS THE HANDICAP EXCUSE WHAT YOU TOLD US THE THREE SHORT BUSSES THE TWO 20S AND 16 HAVE STICKERS.

>> THEY HAVE THE MEDALLION THAT MAKES THEM A MULTI-PURPOSE BUS. YES.

OKAY SO RIGHT. OKAY BUT NOT REGULAR SCHOOL BUT THE 16 PERSON BUS HOW MANY HANDICAPPED AND HANDICAP PERSONS CAN IT ACCOMMODATE LEAVE IT IS IT EITHER 2 OR 3?

>> I KNOW IT'S NOT FOUR. >> WELL I THOUGHT IT COULD BE 2 TO 4.

>> LET'S GO THAT WAY. I'M ONLY THINKING BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF A SEAT ONE SEAT AND SINCE 20 GO AND THE OTHER ONE WE'RE DOING 16 IS FOUR SPOTS THAT THAT'S RIGHT DOING THAT OKAY JUST MAKING SURE SO EARLIER YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A THAT YOU GAVE HOURS 6 TO 6. WAS IT DID I MISS SOME DID YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT 6 OR 6 REGARDING OURS? IS IT OPERATIONAL HOURS. I THOUGHT I HEARD YES THE SCHOOL DAY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND MANY OTHERS SUCH AS O'KEEFFE'S AND

ALL IS A 6:00 IN THE MORNING TO 6:00 IN THE EVENING. >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS THEY CAN'T GO ON. OH THAT'S WHAT YES THAT THAT IT FALLS UNDER THOSE GUIDELINES FOR THAT TIME FRAME SO SO SO THEY CAN GO THEY CAN GO TO THE THEATER BUT THEY CAN'T USE THAT BUS. THEY HAVE WE HAVE TO USE A DIFFERENT BUS IF THE SENIORS WANT TO GO IT HAS NO BEARING ON SENIORS. THIS IS JUST MY CHILDREN'S GOTCHA. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THIS THING IS.

>> I THINK THEY'RE MORE THAN GUIDELINES THOUGH, THOUGH, RIGHT?

THEY'RE REGULAR. OH, THEY'RE SERIOUS RIGHT. >> AND IF I CAN SHARE THAT IF I CAN SHARE THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN MUCH STRICTER THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING HERE THAT D.O.T. HAS NOW FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING TAKEN SUPERSEDE OVER DMV DMV IS GOING THROUGH D.O.T. TO GET CERTAIN THINGS DONE. YOU KNOW, OUR DMV HAD A WHOLE BIG SWITCH AND ALL THEY'RE NOT COMPUTERIZED AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING. >> WHY THIS UPTICK IN SO BOTTOM

LINE WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? >> UM, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S POSSIBLE, RIGHT? I I I I I'M 90% YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE LIFTGATE AND THE BATHROOM, OKAY?

>> AND SO 90% THAT YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO BOTH THE LIFTGATE AND THE BATHROOM IF AS COUNCILWOMAN HABER SAID THAT IS USED FOR SHORT TRIPS SO THAT THE 40 PERSON BUS THEN HOW MUCH OF A NEED FOR THE BATHROOM IS IS IT FOR SHORT TRIPS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SENIORS SO BUT AND I ASKED IT AND ALL THESE OTHER AND I BUT I ASK THE SAME THING WE HAVEN'T HAD A PROBLEM THUS FAR AS MUCH WITH IT AND IN SOME WAYS I DON'T WANT THE SENIORS WALKING AROUND WHILE

THE BUSSES MOVE. >> RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY

YEAH. >> AND THAT'S WHY WE I SAY WE HAVE TO WHERE WE'RE DOING VERY

WELL WITH THEM. >> UM SO IT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE IF THERE'S A NEED THAT CHANGES WE WOULD YOU KNOW IF WE DEFINITELY FELT THERE WAS A FULL NEED OF PEOPLE THAT WERE HANDICAPPED THAT WANTED TO START GOING TO CERTAIN TYPES OF I WOULD CREATE SOMETHING TO DO JUST WHAT YOU SAID TAKE TWO BUSSES IF WE NEEDED TO TO HAVE ENOUGH OF THOSE PEOPLE GOING TO THEM WE ALREADY HAVE THE CAPABILITY THEN TO DO IT. WE HAVE TWO BUSSES WITH LYFT.

OKAY SO I THINK WE HAVE WE HAVE EVER HAD A SITUATION WHERE SOME SENIOR ACTUALLY FELL ON THE BUS YOU KNOW ON THE BUS YOU KNOW SINCE I I'M JUST SURE AS YOU MENTIONED YOU DON'T WANT SENIORS TO WALK YOU KNOW, WHILE THEY ON THE BUS THEY DON'T GET UP.

>> I MEAN WE ALWAYS HAVE AIDES WITH YOU. SO EVEN IF THEY HAVE NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE AT ALL AND IF THERE WAS AN INCIDENT I IT WOULD COME ACROSS MY DESK.

>> YEAH. SO SO WALKING AND THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM IF THEY WHEN YOU USE

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YOU TO THINK ABOUT. >> WELL WAIT, LET'S RESOLVE THIS.

SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING FOR THIS? ARE WE SAYING WE'RE SPECIFYING HANDICAP OR NOT? I DON'T I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT BECAUSE I THINK YOU ALREADY HAVE THE CAPABILITY BUT I WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO BE COMFORTABLE. OKAY, I I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING PERSONALLY DISABILITIES TO FEEL LIKE OKAY, YOU KNOW THIS BUS I CAN GO ON IN THAT BUS. I CAN'T BUT I'M LOOKING AT IS WHAT SEVEN BUSSES AND TO HAVE A LIFT BUT THE ONES A 30 AND ONES A 16 YES AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A 40 PASSENGER BUS SO ON BIGGER AND LONGER YOU KNOW MORE PEOPLE GOING YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW BEHIND THAT ONE AND I'M SAYING THERE ARE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE COULD HOW OFTEN IT WILL BE I'M NOT SURE. BUT YES BUT I THINK WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT IN LIEU OF THE 40 PERSON BUS FOR A TRIP IN WHICH WE'D NEED HANDICAPPED BUSSES THAT HE WOULD USE THE TWO BUSSES THE THE 30 INSTEAD OF THE 40 AND THE 16 OR THE 20 AND 16 THE 16 CAN ACCOMMODATE

HANDICAPPED AT TWO MAYBE FOUR. >> YES. BUT IT'S ALSO THE THE PLACES THAT WERE GOING IN THE CITY USUALLY IT'S JUST HASN'T BEEN AS APPEALING TO OUR SENIOR POPULATION AND ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT MIGHT HAVE DIFFICULTY MOVING BUT IF THEY EVER WANTED TO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND MAKE IT UP FOR SURE SO WE DIDN'T. SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING? SO HOW SHOULD IT WAS YOUR PREFERENCE? WHAT'S UM I WILL SAY IN NOT BEING ABLE TO DO BOTH UM IF YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO DO RIGHT IF WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DO BOTH UM UM AND I'M PUTTING A LOT OF THINGS INTO FACTOR AGAIN THE LENGTH OF THE BUS IS A BIG ONE AND PUTTING ON THE LIFTGATE ADDS A LOT MORE THAN A BATHROOM. UM UH WELL IF YOU'RE PUTTING BATHROOMS IN THEN ARE THEY TAKING AWAY SEATS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE IT THAT'S ALREADY BUILT IN I THINK THERE AND AND AND ARE THEY ADDING THEN SPACE TO DO THAT ALSO TO INCORPORATE

THE BATHROOM. >> YES IT IS A LITTLE LONGER ALREADY TO CULTIVATE BUT THE BATHROOM IS TAKES LESS SPACE THAN THAN THE LIFT THIS GATE AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT I'D SAY DO IT LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND GET FOUR PEOPLE ON THERE.

>> ARE THERE OTHER COMPANIES THAT HAVE DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT? THEY'RE ALL GENERALLY THE SAME BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN REALLY DO WITH SPACE AND ALL THAT THEY CAN DO ALMOST ANYTHING BUT IT JUST GETS LONGER AND LONGER AND MORE EXPENSIVE AND MORE EXPENSIVE. OKAY I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY KEEP THE HANDICAPPED IN PLACE THOUGH JUST YOU KNOW YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THAT CAPABILITY IS GOING TO BE NEEDED AND IN TERMS OF BEING AND YOU KNOW IT HOPEFULLY NOT LOOKED AT AS DISCRIMINATORY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IT'S SAFER TO DO THIS.

OKAY. I DISAGREE AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE SOMEBODY YOU KNOW, PERMANENTLY IN A WHEELCHAIR. IT COULD BE JUST SOMEONE TEMPORARILY BROKE THEIR LEG OR EVEN WORSE SPRAIN THEIR YOU KNOW, ANYTHING.

>> SO I KNOW MY MOTHER'S HAVING NO ONE I KNOW SHE'S HAVING THAT.

>> YEAH, THAT'S OKAY, MA'AM. >> YEAH. OKAY.

SO THAT'S A HIPA VIOLATION THERE. ALL RIGHT.

SORRY, MA'AM. I JUST I WE'RE HERE. I GOT TO HIT YOU WITH IT.

YES, I'M SORRY. I'VE GOT A 2003 BUS AND A 2000 AND FOUR.

>> THEY ARE OLD. MHM. WE DO NOT TAKE THEM FAR BECAUSE

I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IT. >> WHICH ONE OF THOSE WHAT SIZE 26 PASSENGER OKAY I HAVE A 26 PASS AND OUR 30 636 OH SORRY 36 MY BIN SORRY 36 PASSENGER AND THE AND THE 32 THAT'S A THAT'S THE OLDEST BUS THAT'S I BELIEVE A 2003.

>> OKAY. AND WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE? >> THE 32 PASSENGER WHICH IS

NOT THE SAME AS THE 30? >> NO. OKAY.

AND THAT'S A 2004. THEY HAVE ABOUT EIGHT 80,000 MILES ON THEM.

REMEMBER BUS MILES ARE DIFFERENT THAN CAR MILES AND THEY'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF

TROUBLE. >> MHM. SO ISN'T THE 32 PASSENGER IS SITTING IN A PARKING LOT IT'S BEEN TRIED TO FIX THREE TIMES AND THEY'RE JUST NOT SO IS THE

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SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ONE AND LET'S YEAH AND MAYBE YOU COULD SEND US LIKE A WHOLE INVENTORY OF YOUR OF YOUR FLEET SO WE CAN SEE ALL THE SIZES AND ALL THE CONFIGURATIONS TO MAKE A LITTLE CHART. THANK YOU. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR COMING.

I MEAN OTHER THAN 2004 AND PEOPLE THAT ARE NO I WOULD SAY WE'RE GOOD.

>> WE'RE GOOD. >> OKAY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD I JUST HAVE TO SAY ONE QUICK THING. >> FORECLOSURE AUCTION BEGINS MONDAY OF NEXT WEEK AND ENDS WEDNESDAY OF NEXT WEEK. SO IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY REGISTERED PLEASE CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TO GO PLEASE EMAIL LEGAL AT GREENBERG AND WHY.GOV AND I'LL ASK THE TOWN BOARD IF I COULD ALSO PUT A BANNER ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN FOR THE NEXT WEEK TO GET MORE VISITORS SO YOU KNOW JUST AS A FOLLOW UP, YOU KNOW TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT PEOPLE WERE ASKING IF THERE'S A MINIMUM AND THE MINIMUM IS BASICALLY WHAT THE TAXES ARE FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES, RIGHT?

>> IT'S WHAT IT'S THE TAXES OWED. YEAH.

YEAH. THAT'S THE STARTING THAT'S THE STARTING FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE STARTING SO THERE'S AN 8% FEE ON TOP OF THAT WHICH COVERS COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH RUNNING THE AUCTION AND THAT'S IN THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT WERE APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD.

>> SO WHEN WHEN A PERSON LOOKS AT WHAT'S ON ITS WEBSITE AS A MEMBER OF THE SHOULD WE BE ADDING THE 8% INTO THAT AMOUNT 8% WILL BE ADDED TO IT AND WHEN SOMEONE REGISTERS THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND THEY'LL BE NOTIFIED OF THAT.

>> SO AS AN 8% YES AND IF THE PERSON CAN'T MATCH THAT THEN THE CLOSING DOES NOT OCCUR AND THEY WILL NOT ON THE OTHER QUESTION THAT PEOPLE HAD IS IF SOMEBODY THERE'S SOME HOMES

THAT ARE OCCUPIED RIGHT. >> THAT THIS IS THAT THAT'S A CIVIL MATTER THAT THEY WOULD

HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT'S NOT THE TOWN'S RESPONSIBILITY. >> OKAY.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION SOMEBODY ASKED ME A FEW DAYS AGO WAS IF SOMEBODY HAS A MORTGAGE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY OWE THE MONEY, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW HOW HOW DOES THAT SORT OF WORK?

>> THAT'S ALSO A CIVIL MATTER AMONGST THOSE PARTIES. WELL, WE'LL BE COLLECTING THE

FULL AMOUNT SO WE GET THE FULL AMOUNT FIRST. >> YES.

OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD.

SO THAT THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS AND THE NEXT SO ARE WE GO ARE WE FINISHED?

>> SO THE NEXT AUCTION ON FORECLOSURES BY STATUTE WILL HAVE TO BE IN DECEMBER BECAUSE AT A TIME FRAME REGULATIONS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE TOWN ABOUT POTENTIALLY FORECLOSING EXCUSE ME AUCTIONING OFF TOWN ON PROPERTIES THAT WE DO NOT USE POTENTIALLY IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. SO TO STILL HAVE TWO AUCTIONS IN THE FALL BUT ONE FORECLOSURE PROPERTIES, ONE NON FORECLOSURE PROPERTIES BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A DETAILED DISCUSSION ON THAT AND GO THROUGH THE LIST AND SEE WHAT'S BEING USED, WHAT'S NOT BEING AND FOR NEXT YEAR WHAT WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE AND TO HAVE THE ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, COME UP WITH LIKE A PLAN IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING CAUGHT OFF ON THE THE BACK TAXES? I WOULD EXPECT AN ADDITIONAL TWO MORE AUCTIONS AGAIN NEXT YEAR AS WELL. YEAH. WELL WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET

BACK TO $30 MILLION. >> WELL WE'RE NOT LOSING THE MONEY BECAUSE BASICALLY WE'RE GETTING WE'VE GOT TO GO INTO THIS DISCUSSION. LET ME ANSWER IF SOMEBODY OWES

BACK TAXES. >> RIGHT. IT'S PART OF THE IT RUNS WITH THE LAND. SO IF THEY SELL BUT WE WILL HAVE TO SELL THE LAND.

>> SO IF SOMEBODY BASICALLY OWES THE MONEY THEY PAY THE TOWN THAT'S THEIR TENANTS INTEREST AT SOME POINT. THAT'S CORRECT. BUT WE CAN NO LONGER TAKE THE SURPLUS BECAUSE OF THIS PRIM COURT DECISION AND ANY SHORTFALL WE HAVE TO EAT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ALL 30 MILLION. NO, NO.

WE'LL GET A GOOD CHUNK OF IT. OKAY. >> CAN YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR I MAKE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSING UM UH, PERSONAL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS SECOND AND FAVOR I

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