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START THAT WAY,ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE GOOD EVENING.
ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THE ROLL CALL MR. SCHMIDT, OR ARE WE GOING TO WAIT FOR ONE MORE PERSON? WE CAN DO THAT NOW BECAUSE YOUR ADDRESS WAS NOTICED.
UH, CHAIRPERSON OSHE PRESENT VIA ZOOM.
AND AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, WELL HERE.
OH, HERE COMES MS. MR. REBO IS PRESENT.
AND MR. DESAI, I UNDERSTAND IT IS ON HIS WAY.
WOULD, SHOULD WE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE GUEST, MR. SCHMIDT? UM, SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EVERYONE.
I THINK, UM, WE CAN DO THAT AS WE GET TO EACH PROJECT.
SO WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK THROUGH THE MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL GET, AND WE'LL GO AROUND THE ROOM TO DO THE INTRODUCTIONS.
I THINK IF WE, IF WE'RE READY TO DO THE MINUTES, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS SENT? I MOVE TO ACCEPT I SECOND.
AND ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS ADDITIONS? NO.
THEN MAY I, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANYTHING UNDER CORRESPONDENCE, BUT MR. SCHMIDT, DO YOU KNOW IF WE ARE NOW IN GOOD STANDING WITH OUR CLG STATUS? UM, I, HAS OUR EVALUATION BEEN ACCEPTED? YES.
SO I'M HAPPY TO REPORT, UM, BOTH TO THIS BOARD AND, AND THE COMMUNITY THAT IN RESPONSE TO THE 2025 NEW YORK STATE CLG EVALUATION, OUR RESPONSE COLLECTIVELY WAS, WAS, UM, DEEMED FULLY SATISFACTORY.
AND WE ARE IN GOOD STANDING AS PER OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE.
SO IN FACT, SHE WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THANK YOU ALL THE DETAILED RESPONSE.
SO APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S WORK AND THANK YOU GETTING IN THE RESUMES AS UPDATED AND ALL THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED AND WE PUT A BUNCH OF INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE, SO, UM, IT WAS GREAT TO GET THAT RESPONSE FROM THE STATE.
UM, I HAVE ONE, MAYBE TWO MORE THINGS UNDER CORRESPONDENCE.
GARRETT WAS PART OF A PHONE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH, UM, MR. LIEBERMAN AND MR. UH SCHMIDT AND I ASKED ON OUR BEHALF, AND I'M PRESUMING IT'S OKAY TO FIND OUT IF SOMEBODY FROM STEVE TILLEY'S OFFICE CAN DO SOME WORK FOR US.
AND GARRETT WAS GOING TO LOOK INTO IT AND GET BACK TO US.
SO I MIGHT HAVE TO EMAIL YOU WHAT HIS RESPONSE IS, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
IS THERE ANYTHING UNDER CORRESPONDENCE FROM ANY OF YOU? NO.
UM, SHALL WE TAKE UP GEMAN FIRST? YES.
MR. SCHMIDT, HAVE YOU SOMETHING YOU WANNA ADD BEFORE WE START? SO WE'LL JUST LET THE FOLKS IN, UH, THE ZOOM JUST INTRODUCE THEMSELVES BRIEFLY.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE APPLICANT, SO IF WE COULD GO AROUND THE ROOM BRIEFLY, THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH NIXON PEABODY REPRESENTING, UH, I WOULDN'T CALL IT THE APPLICANT, BUT REPRESENTING MARIAN WOODS INC.
I'M THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE BOARD AT MARIAN WOODS.
HI, MOTHER MARY ROSE RIS GENERAL OF THE CARMELITE SISTERS FOR THE AGE CENTER FIRM.
I'M VICAR GENERAL FOR OUR COMMUNITY, AND I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD AT MARION WOODS.
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ANYBODY ELSE ON GEMAN? YES.WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING MR. MILLER AND I BELIEVE THERE'S, UM, HELLO.
I'M HAVING TROUBLE GETTING MY VIDEO TO WORK AT SAYING I'M IN SAFE DRIVING MODE, BUT I'M SITTING IN MY LIVING ROOM, SO I DUNNO HOW TO FIX IT.
BUT, UM, I, UH, REPRESENT THE CARMELITE SYSTEM AND I AM THE CEO OF THE CARMELITE SYSTEM.
AND, UH, IT'S NICE TO TALK TO YOU AGAIN.
UM, LESLIE'S TRYING TO UNMUTE, BUT SHE CAN'T UNMUTE HER MIC.
LESLIE HOOT LESLIE, UM, IS FROM MION WOODS.
SHE'S THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR ADMINISTRATOR AT, UM, LE AT MION WOODS.
OUR OTHER ATTENDEE IS WITH A DIFFERENT, UH, OH, OKAY.
HELLO, CHRIS, YOU CAN SIT AT THE END.
SO, UH, WE'VE, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO LEAD CHAIR, CERTAINLY I CAN DO THAT.
SO, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS PROPOSAL, UM, AT VARIOUS MEETINGS AND THERE'S BEEN MUCH DISCUSSION, UH, FOLLOWING THE LAST DISCUSSION.
I DID REACH OUT TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES FOR MION WOODS TO SEE IF ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WAS TO BE SUBMITTED IN ADVANCE OF THIS MEETING FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION.
UM, WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING.
IS THERE ANYTHING THIS EVENING THAT, UH, ANYONE REPRESENTING MION WOODS OR OTHERS WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION? YES.
IF I COULD HAVE A FEW MINUTES.
UH, I DID APPEAR AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UH, TO REHASH SOME OF THE HISTORY AND THEN TO PRESENT THIS BOARD WITH OUR, UH, PROPOSAL FOR A PATH FORWARD.
SO, AS SOME OF YOU KNOW, UH, MARION WOODS INC.
IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION.
IT HAS BEEN OPERATING AT THIS LOCATION SINCE 1998.
IT IS LICENSED BY THE NEW YORK DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AS A SENIOR HOME, UM, UNDER THE REGULATIONS OF NEW YORK STATE.
THE ENTIRE, UH, PRESERVE TOGETHER WITH THE PROPERTY OF MARIAN WOODS WAS ORIGINALLY A GIFT FROM THE ARCHBISHOP BRICK OF NEW YORK.
SINCE MION WOODS WAS OPERATING AT THE PROPERTY, UH, WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO IS THE GMAN HOUSE WAS, FOR MOST OF ITS HISTORY, LEASED TO A THIRD PARTY.
AND THE RENTS FROM THAT LEASE WENT INTO FUND THE CARRYING COST OF THE GMAN HOUSE, BUT ALSO THE OPERATIONS OF THE HOME.
THAT LEASE EXPIRED NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, MY CLIENT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN FINDING A NEW TENANT.
AND IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO MONETIZE THE PROPERTY, IT SOUGHT TO SELL OFF THE GEMAN HOUSE TO AN UNAFFILIATED THIRD PARTY.
UM, THAT POTENTIAL PURCHASER, UM, WITH MY CLIENT'S COOPERATION ATTEMPTED TO SUBDIVIDE THAT PARCEL OUT, BUT FOR VARIOUS REASONS, THAT SUBDIVISION, UH, SEEMED IMPOSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY PROSECUTE TO COMPLETION SHORTLY AFTER THAT.
UM, AND ROUGHLY AROUND THE TIME, UH, CHAIRWOMAN OCHE, YOU SENT THAT LETTER THAT YOU REFERRED TO AT THE LAST MEETING.
THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT CASUALTY EVENT AT THE PROPERTY.
THERE WAS, UH, PIPES BURST, MAJOR FLOODING IN THE BASEMENT.
THERE WAS WATER DAMAGE THAT CARRIED THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
AND TO THIS DAY, THERE IS STILL A SIGNIFICANT MOLD AND PROBABLY MILDEW CONDITION.
I THINK THAT THIS BOARD MAY HAVE MISINTERPRETED, UH, THE, THE DEMOLITION APPLICATION OR THE NATURE OF IT.
BUT THIS IS NOT A DISREGARD FOR THE HISTORIC QUALITIES OF THIS PARCEL.
BUT MY CLIENT IS NOT IN A POSITION THAT IT CAN CARRY A PROPERTY THAT IS NOT BEING MONETIZED, THAT REMAINS IN AN UNSAFE CONDITION.
A AS I THINK MANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE SEEN, THE PROPERTY HAVE BEEN THROUGH IT, IT IS NOT RENTABLE RIGHT NOW.
I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, THIS PROPERTY IS GROWING TO BE A BLIGHT ON THE COMMUNITY.
IT DOES NOT HAVE A WATERPROOF ROOF.
UM, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE MADE INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY.
THE APPLICATION FOR A DEMOLITION IS BECAUSE THIS IS THE BUSINESS JUDGMENT OF MARION WOODS.
WE CANNOT CARRY A PROPERTY THAT IS BOTH DETRIMENTAL, UNSAFE, AND CANNOT BE
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MONETIZED.SO AGAINST THAT BACKDROP, MY CLIENT PURSUED THE DEMOLITION APPLICATION AS PART OF THAT, WHICH I THINK IS COMING UP ON TWO YEARS OLD NOW.
AS PART OF THAT, IT UNDERTOOK ALL THE ASBESTOS REMEDIATION THAT THE TOWN REQUIRED.
UM, SINCE THE TOWN IS NOTED, THE CONDITION IS NOW TAPED OFF THE PROPERTY.
THE WINDOWS ARE BOARDED UP, THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO KEEP OUT, YOU KNOW, VANDALS, THE HOMELESS PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HYGIENE ISSUES AND JUST CURIOUS ONLOOKERS FROM THE PRESERVE.
BUT THIS IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE CONDITION.
SO I WANTED TO TAKE A COUPLE OF MOMENTS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AT THE LAST HEARING AND CHAIRPERSON OCHE, I KNOW YOU HAD SENT THAT LETTER, I'VE NOW HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU DID ENGAGE WITH THE PRIOR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MEGAN SHEHAN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ENTAILED, BUT I DO KNOW MY CLIENT ATTEMPTED TO REVIEW REMEDIAL COSTS.
A AS ANY PROPERTY OWNER DOES AFTER A CASUALTY.
IT EXPLORED THE COST OF RESTORING THE PROPERTY SO IT COULD AGAIN, MONETIZE IT.
BUT THOSE COSTS ARE SIGNIFICANT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AT THE LAST HEARING DID SOME BACK OF THE ENVELOPE MATH.
UM, TO PUT THOSE COSTS JUST ROUGHLY AT FOUR TO 5 MILLION.
I THINK OUR ESTIMATES ARE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THAT, BUT IN ALL EVENTS, UM, THAT IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE, THAT THAT IS NOT A REALISTIC PATH FORWARD.
THE OPERATING BUDGET OF THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT IS BASED ON THE RENTS THAT THE RESIDENTS PAY THROUGH THE MEDICAID PROGRAM.
THEY HAVE A SMALL STAFF, THEY'RE ALREADY SIGNIFICANT CARRYING COSTS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THERE ARE NOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET.
THERE ARE NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET.
GATHERING THE MONEY FOR THE DEMOLITION ITSELF WAS A CHORE.
AND THERE'S ALREADY SIPHONING OFF FUNDS THAT SHOULD BE USED FOR THE CARE OF THE RESIDENTS.
BUT AS TO SOME OF THE OTHER POINTS, I LOOKED AT THE HISTORIC, UM, TAX CREDITS THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, BUT MY CLIENT IS A NOT-FOR-PROFIT.
IT IS ALREADY EXEMPT FROM THOSE TAXES.
IT DOES NOT GAIN ANY VALUE FOR FEDERAL OR STATE TAX CREDITS.
IN ADDITION, THE CODE IS PRETTY CLEAR.
AND WHILE MR. SCHMIDT, I THINK YOU NOTED THAT, UH, THE TOWN HAD CONCLUDED THAT THERE IS STRUCTURAL SOUNDNESS TO THE GEMAN HOUSE, THAT IS NOT THE TEST UNDER THE CODE.
IF THIS PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS A LANDMARK, WE ARE IN IMMEDIATE VIOLATION AND SUBJECT TO CIVIL PENALTIES.
THE RELEVANT LANGUAGE UNDER YOUR CODE IS THAT IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON, PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ENTITY, FIRM, CORPORATION TO CONSTRUCT, ALTER, REMOVE, DEMOLISH EQUIPPED, CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF ANY BUILDING STRUCTURE, SITE OR OBJECT OR, UM, OR OBJECT OR PORTION THEREOF, AND ALLOW THAT STRUCTURE TO FALL INTO DISREPAIR.
THE CATEGORIES OF DISREPAIR INCLUDE THE ROOF.
WE ARE ALREADY IN VIOLATION OF THAT CODE.
IF THIS IS DESIGNATED AS HISTORIC, I DON'T SEE ANY ABILITY WITHIN THE CODE FOR THE TOWN TO WAIVE THOSE FINANCIAL PENALTIES OF BETWEEN 250 AND A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER DAY OF THE VIOLATION.
I ALSO NOTED THAT, UH, UM, CHAIRPERSON OCHE, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION WHERE THE PROPERTY CAN BE, I THINK IN YOUR WORDS, TAKEN OFF OF OUR HANDS, AND WE ARE NOT OPPOSED TO THAT CONCEPT.
BUT IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT A PROCESS WHERE GIFTING THE PARCEL TO THE TOWN IS VIABLE ON A TIMELINE THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE, UH, EXISTING CONCERNS.
THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBDIVIDED.
AND WHILE I PRESUME THE TOWN CAN RUN ITS OWN SUBDIVISION, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO GO TO THE OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.
WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE SUPREME COURT, UM, SECTIONS, UH, FIVE 11 AND FIVE 12 OF THE NOT-FOR-PROFIT CORPORATION LAW REQUIRE FAIR AND REASONABLE COMPENSATION, EVEN IN CONNECTION WITH ANY DONATION OF PROPERTY FROM A NOT-FOR-PROFIT TO A MUNICIPALITY THAT WOULD REQUIRE AT LEAST THE TOWN PAYING FOR AN APPRAISAL.
BUT I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY FROM MY CLIENT, THAT IS A 12 TO 18 MONTH PROCESS FROM COMMENCEMENT TO COMPLETION DURING WHICH TIME WE STILL HAVE ALL THE SAME CONCERNS ABOUT VANDALS, ABOUT LOOTERS, ABOUT KIDS AT NIGHT, SNEAKING INTO THE HOUSE, UH, WITH FIREWORKS, WITH BEER, WHATEVER.
AND I NOTE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT PHYSICALLY SEPARATED FROM THE MARION WOODS HOME WHERE THE RETIRED NUNS ARE LIVING NOW.
HOWEVER, I I, AGAIN, IN THE INTEREST OF EVERYONE, UM, GETTING WHAT THEY WANT, I DO THINK THERE IS A POTENTIAL SOLUTION I WOULD PROPOSE AND I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER A LEASE ARRANGEMENT
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WHERE WE ENTER IMMEDIATELY INTO A LEASE OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE TOWN.THE TOWN CAN UNDERTAKE THE REMEDIATION THAT WE ALL AGREE IS REQUIRED.
THE TOWN CAN HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS OR, OR A BILL OF SALE FOR THE PERSONALLY WITHIN THE HOUSE THAT HAS HISTORIC VALUE AS YOU SEE FIT.
THERE WOULD BE NO RENT CHARGE DURING THE TIME THE TOWN IS DOING THE REMEDIATION.
ONCE THE REMEDIATION IS COMPLETE, WE CAN HAVE A THIRD PARTY APPRAISAL OR A BROKER GIVE THEIR OPINION OF FAIR MARKET VALUE.
THAT WOULD, THE FAIR MARKET VALUE WOULD BE THE RENT ON A GO FORWARD BASIS UNDER THE LEASE.
MR. LIEBERMAN, ARE YOU THERE? I'M HERE.
HAVE YOU ANY COMMENTS? I'D HAVE TO STUDY THAT PROPOSAL IN GREATER DETAIL.
I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING IN WRITING IF I COULD.
I'M SURE WE CAN PUT TOGETHER, UH, AN LOI OR A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR THE LEASE TERMS. BUT AGAIN, EVERY, EVERYONE POTENTIALLY WINS IN THIS SCENARIO.
RIGHT? THE TOWN CAN, UH, THE TOWN CAN USE THE HOUSE IN SOME WAY THAT IS NOT DETRIMENTAL TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORING USES.
UH, OF THIS AS A HOME FOR THE AGED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIMITED USE CONDITIONS I THINK WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT ON, BUT IF YOU WANTED TO OPERATE IT AS, UH, I THINK IT WAS A LOGIC CENTER WAS THE PROPOSAL FROM LAST MONTH, UH, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DEED COVENANTS THAT WE'RE ALREADY SUBJECT TO.
AND AS LONG AS RENT WOULD COMMENCE AFTER THE REMEDIATION IS DONE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT'S A FAIR MARKET ARMS LENGTH TRANSACTION AND THE TOWN IS INDEMNIFYING MY CLIENT AGAINST THESE RISKS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, I I THINK WE'RE HAPPY TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOGETHER IN WRITING.
WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMING ON PREPARING SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT? UH, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE NEXT MEETING OF MY CLIENT'S BOARD.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CALL AN EMERGENCY MEETING TO GET SOMETHING DONE SOONER.
THE NEXT MEETING OF THIS BOARD IS JUNE 9TH, SO IT WOULD IDEALLY BE IN ADVANCE OF THAT.
SO COUNSEL HAS ON OUR END ENOUGH TIME TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK.
UM, MR. LIEBERMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
HARTSBURG IS NOT SOLELY OWNED BY THE TOWN.
IT'S, IT'S THE STATE, THE COUNTY, AND THE TOWN.
AND I DON'T SEE HOW, SINCE GEMAN IS PRETTY WELL SURROUNDED BY HARTSBURG, I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHO WOULD BE DOING THE FIXING UP OR WHATEVER AND SO FORTH.
UH, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION THOUGH.
AFTER THE TOWN REMEDIATES UNDER YOUR PROPOSAL, WHO, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING GOING FORWARD AFTER THAT? I'M PROPOSING AS PART OF THE SAME LEASE THAT THE TOWN IS A TENANT OF THE PROPERTY AND IT CAN USE THE PROPERTY AS IT SEE FITS AS IT SEES FIT.
AGAIN, SUBJECT TO SOME ORDINARY USE REGULATIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE NATURE OF THIS AREA.
SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST, SO YOU WOULD RETAIN, YOU WOULD RETAIN, OR YOUR CLIENT WOULD RETAIN OWNERSHIP? CORRECT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK THE PATH TO TRANSFERRING OWNERSHIP IS SO LONG THAT MY CLIENT'S EXPOSED TO ALL THE RISKS DURING THAT PERIOD.
SO THIS, YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING THIS TO BE A LEASE TO OWN SITUATION.
I HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT WITH MY CLIENT, BUT IF THE, AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE MUNICIPAL LAW TO KNOW IF THIS IS, UH, A POSSIBILITY, BUT IF WE COULD BUILD IN SOME KIND OF TRANSFER OPTION AND THE COSTS OF DOING THE ALIENATION OF THE PROPERTY ARE BORNE BY THE TOWN, I DON'T KNOW THAT MY CLIENTS WOULD NECESSARILY BE OPPOSED TO THAT.
MR. SCHMIDT AND MR. LIEBERMAN? I AM NOT CERTAIN, AND I WOULD NEED MORE STUDY TOO THAT, UH, GRANT MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROJECT IF IT WEREN'T ON ITS WAY TO BEING LANDMARKED.
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AND I WOULD NEED TO, UH, DISCUSS IT WITH NEW YORK STATE IF IT WERE, OR IF IT WERE NOT.I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT PART.
I WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS WITH NEW YORK STATE PARKS REC, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, WHETHER WE COULD APPLY FOR GRANT MONEY.
THAT WOULD BE THE STATE, THE COUNTY, AND THE TOWN TO REHABILITATE THE HOUSE.
IF IT WEREN'T LANDMARKED, I WOULD NEED CLARIFICATION FROM THE STATE ON THAT SUBJECT.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, STAFF CAN WORK WITH YOU TO OBTAIN AN ANSWER TO, UM, THROUGH OUR REPRESENTATIVE.
AND IF WE NEED TO SPEAK WITH OTHERS, WE, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN A TIMELY FASHION.
I WOULD ALSO, IF IT, IF IT WERE ALL RIGHT, LIKE TO FIND OUT IF THE ENTITIES WERE TO BE WILLING TO BUY THE HOUSE AS OPPOSED TO LEASING IT, UM, WHAT IT, WHAT IT WOULD BE WORTH AND HOW FAST PEOPLE COULD ACCOMPLISH THIS TO TAKE THE BURDEN OFF THE SISTERS.
COULD WE EXPLORE THAT
BUT IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE VERY NICE TO HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION.
UM, MR. GEMAN WAS A RATHER IMPORTANT PERSON.
UM, MOST OF THE MEN OF MY GENERATION USED GILLETTE SAFETY RAZORS, THEREFORE, I, YOU KNOW, AT ANY RATE.
UM, HOW ABOUT SOME COMMENTS FROM MR. CARL, MR. CURETTE AND MS. ARMENIA? AND MS. ANNETTE? I GUESS I HAVE JUST TWO POINTS OF INFORMATION.
SO I'M WONDERING IF WE KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF MR. LIEBERMAN KNOWS IF, UM, THIS WERE LANDMARKED IF THE LIABILITY IS TRIGGERED IMMEDIATELY BASED ON ITS PREVIOUS STATE TO LANDMARKING OR THE STATE IT'S FOUND IN AT THE MOMENT OF THE LANDMARKING.
I'M NOT SURE THAT CAN BE ANSWERED AT THIS POINT, BUT THAT WAS ASSERTED BY MR. OR I BELIEVE RIGHT.
BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF THE LIABILITY THAT WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE, THAT WOULD IMMEDIATELY ATTACH ONCE THE STATUS WERE, UH, ATTAINED.
SO I, I DO HAVE THAT QUESTION.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS JUST, JUST SO THAT I'M CLEAR ON CERTAIN THIRD PARTY SITES, MARION WOOD WOULD, APPEARS, IT APPEARS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR, UM, FOR SENIOR LIVING CARE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A SITE CALLED SENIOR LEE.COM AND IT SHOWS PICTURES OF THE ROOMS THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND IT SAYS $4,400 PER MONTH.
IS THAT AN ABERRATION? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS JUST MAYBE, ARE THEY SCRAPING THE INTERNET AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION AND POSTING IT ON THEIR SITE? OR DO, DOES MARION WOODS ACTUALLY, IS IT OPEN TO, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WITHIN THE, THE ORDER OR, OR ANY ORDER TO COME IN AND LIVE? SO I CAN ANSWER THE FIRST PART OF THAT.
UH, THE BYLAWS OF THE CORPORATION REQUIRE PREFERENCE BE GIVEN TO SISTERS OF THE SAME ORDER IN WHICH, UH, THE, THE, UM, FOUNDERS EXISTED.
AND SECOND TO THAT, IF NO SUCH SISTERS ARE AVAILABLE AS APPLICANTS FOR OPEN BEDS TO BE GIVEN TO SISTERS OF ANY CATHOLIC RELIGIOUS ORDER.
AND AFTER THAT, IF NO SUCH APPLICANTS ARE AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA, UM, TRISH OR LESLIE, MAYBE YOU MIGHT KNOW, UH, WHY THIRD PARTIES ARE, ARE PROPOSING $4,400 A MONTH FOR OPEN BEDS WHEN WE HAVE NONE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST FOR, UM, SISTER PETER LILLIAN TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
HE, SHE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS, UH, PRESENTLY, THE, UM, HOME IS FOR SISTERS OF COMMUNITY OF, OF DIFFERENT ORDERS.
AND THE, THE PLAN IS TO CONTINUE TO KEEP
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IT THAT WAY AS LONG AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BECAUSE OF THE GREAT NEED FOR AGING RELIGIOUS DOWN IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY.SO, UM, THE HOPE IS TO REMAIN THAT WAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THAT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF SISTERS THAT NEED CARE.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE NO MORE MOTHER HOUSES, THEY HAVE NO MORE CONVENTS.
SO WE'VE BEEN SERVING THEM IN THAT AREA FOR THE LAST 20, ALMOST 25, WELL, 25 YEARS NOW.
AND, UM, I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANY AGING SISTERS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, BUT CERTAINLY IN THAT AREA WHO ARE REQUIRING A LITTLE BIT MORE CARE, A LITTLE MORE ASSISTANCE, AND TO BE ABLE TO LIVE STILL IN COMMUNITY AND LIVE THEIR LIVES TOGETHER IN, UH, PRAYER AND, AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES COMING TOGETHER AND MEETING AND, AND, AND ENJOYING ONE WHAT ONE ANOTHER.
AND, AND WE'RE KIND OF USED TO DOING THAT IN A NICE, QUIET ATMOSPHERE.
SO THE HOPE IS TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IT AS LONG AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AS A RELIGIOUS, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT, UM, WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO LATER ON.
BUT SISTER PETER, THERE'S, THERE'S NO RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOT MEMBERS OF RELIGIOUS ORDER AT THE MOMENT.
AND AND YOU'RE NOT ADVERTISING TO THE PUBLIC, ARE YOU? NO.
WE'RE, WE'RE THE, THE REASON THE ADVERTISING IS TAKING PLACE IS TO LET OTHER RELIGIOUS ORDERS KNOW.
YES, WE DO HAVE, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME ROOMS FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH HAVING TO, UNFORTUNATELY ON LET GO OF THEIR PROPERTIES THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.
SO WE'RE LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THERE ARE ROOMS AVAILABLE IF THEY NEED IT.
SO, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT THERE WAS A, A FLOW CHART OF SORTS.
SO FIRST THE FACILITY IS OPEN TO SISTERS OF THE, THIS PARTICULAR ORDER THEN TO SISTERS OF ANY ORDER.
BUT I THINK I ALSO HEARD THAT BEYOND THAT IT'S OPEN TO MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO BELONG TO NO RELIGIOUS ORDER WHATSOEVER.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN A FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, IS THERE CURRENTLY ANYONE LIVING THERE WHO IS OF THE THIRD CATEGORY, MEANING WHO BELONGS TO NO RELIGIOUS ORDER? THERE IS NOBODY CURRENTLY LIVING THERE WHO IS OF THAT THIRD CATEGORY CATEGORY, UM, MEANING THEY BELONG TO NO RELIGIOUS ORDER.
ALL THE, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE, ALL THE SISTERS THAT ARE THERE BELONG TO A RELIGIOUS ORDER IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, HAS THERE BEEN ANYONE FROM THAT THIRD CATEGORY LIVING THERE? NOT THAT I'M, NO.
COR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? UM, LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF LEGAL, UH, ISSUES AND, UH, ONCE, ONCE THAT THING, UH, ADD AND, UH, GO THROUGH IT, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE A BETTER CLARITY ABOUT HOW, WHAT YOU DO WITH THE PHYSICAL BUILDING AND THEN HOW DO WE, UH, STRATEGIZE TO MAINTAIN EVEN AND KEEP IT A VIABLE PLACE.
I WANNA LET OUR OTHERS, WE WOULD'VE TO SEE WHAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING IN WRITING YEAH.
TO BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
SO MR. I WOULD HAVE TO, I WOULD WANNA SEE IT IN WRITING AND ALSO THEN WHAT WOULD THE TOWN, IF WE TOOK IT OFF THE TOWN, TOOK IT OFF, WHAT WOULD WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THE REPAIRS AND EVERYTHING ON IT TO MAKE IT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING.
SO THAT'S BIT BY BIT OR I GUESS, YEAH.
WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS THAT'S ALL TO BE DISCUSSED.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME, THIS IS NEW INFORMATION FOR BOTH OUR OFFICE AND FOR THE BOARD AND, AND FOR COUNCIL.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DISCUSS AND SEE WHAT OPTIONS THERE MAY BE.
BUT IT, IT'S AN INTERESTING ALTERNATIVE, UH, THAT'S APPRECIATED.
YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL SPEAK.
IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD ALTERNATIVE, RIGHT? OF NOT LOSING THAT BUILDING, BUT BEING ABLE TO USE IT.
SO NOW, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE BALL IS BOTH IN STAFF'S COURT, BUT ALSO IN MR. PERTA AND HIS CLIENT'S COURT TO GET US THE PROPOSAL SO THAT IT CAN BE REVIEWED.
UM, THERE'S CLEARLY SOME INFORMATION THAT WE WANT TO OBTAIN FROM THE STATE AND OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT SHOULD ALL BE ABLE TO BE HOPEFULLY COMPLETED AHEAD OF OUR OR THE BOARD'S JUNE 9TH MEETING.
MY RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME, ALTHOUGH IT'S CERTAINLY A, A BOARD DECISION, IS TO HOLD THE MATTER OVER UNTIL JUNE 9TH.
DO WE HAVE, UH, DO YOU, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A VOTE ON IT? NO.
SO WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND, UH, FOR THIS INFORMATION, WE LOOK FORWARD
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TO THE PROPOSAL AND ANY INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STATE, WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE WHAT WE'RE ABLE WITH YOU ALL AS WELL.UM, I, I JUST NEED MR. SCHMIDT A A CONTACT PERSON TO DELIVER THIS TO, BUT I CAN, UM, I CAN GIVE YOUR OFFICE A CALL TOMORROW.
THAT WOULD COME INTO PROBABLY BOTH MYSELF AND, AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY, DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY, BUT WE'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
SISTERS, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE WITH YOU.
MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY AND HIS OWN SISTER, UH, WE'RE JOE JOSEPHITES.
AND, AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF FIRST COUSINS AS POLLIS AND OVARIAN, SO I'M, I'M RATHER COMFORTABLE.
SO, UM, I DO HOPE WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.
HAVE A GOOD, YOUR TIME, A GOOD AND HEALTHY COUPLE OF WEEKS.
UH, IT IS, TURNS OUT IT IS WHITE PLAINS ROAD.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S, UH, KNOWN AS, EVEN THOUGH VERY PECULIAR.
SO I HAVE, UH, UPDATED THE AGENDA ACCORDINGLY.
IT WAS, IT WAS WHITE PLAINS ROAD UNTIL THEY BUILT ACROSS THE WAY OF THE HOTELS, AND THEN THEY HAD TO REROUTE THAT ONE AREA.
AND NOW WITH BRIGHTVIEW AT THE TOP OF THE HILL NOW YES.
BUT, UH, IT WAS, IT'S WHITE PLAINS ROAD.
ALL WHITE PLAINS ROAD IS SOMEPLACE ELSE.
IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BENEDICT.
SO, UH, WE HAVE, UH, MR. ZARO HERE ON BEHALF OF 5 9 9 WHITE PLAINS ROAD.
SO, UM, I HAVE, UH, SOME UPDATES, UH, FROM THE LAST MEETING.
UM, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS PROPOSED AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WHICH, UH, I DID.
I DO HAVE SOME ANSWERS ON, UM, OR A CONSULTANT FROM ACME HERITAGE CONSULTANTS, UH, PREPARED AN EMAIL WITH THE, SOME OF THE RESPONSES TO YOUR QUESTIONS.
UH, I'LL START WITH THE FIRST ONE WHERE, UM, YOU INDICATED WILL EX EXPERT BE ON HAND, UH, TO NOT ONLY, UM, CATALOG WHAT IS TO BE REMOVED, BUT WHAT ITEMS WERE TO BE REMOVED PROPERLY.
AND, AND YES, WE WILL, UM, REACH OUT TO AN ART APPRAISER, UM, SOME, UH, SOMEWHERE IN WESTCHESTER.
UM, THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, COME OUT TO THE PROPERTY, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS VALUABLE, AND, AND APPRAISE, UH, EACH ITEM ACCORDINGLY, UM, BEFORE REMOVAL OF ANYTHING.
AND IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN OUT, UM, CAREFULLY.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE CAN, CAN THE WELL BE SECURELY CAPPED, KEEPING THE LOCATION OF A, A STONEWORK IN PLACE? IF NOT, PLEASE REVISE WHAT IS THE PLAN NOW, UM, THERE WERE OTHER PROJECTS WHERE, UM, THERE IS, UM, WELLS THAT WERE PRESERVED BY, BY FILLING IT WITH GRAVEL AND THEN PLACING A PRE-K CONCRETE SEPTIC TANK LID ON TOP.
AND AFTER THAT, IT WOULD BE BURIED, UH, WITH A, WITH A SUB BASE.
UM, AND EITHER YOU BUILD A STRUCTURE ON TOP OF IT OR A PARK, A PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER IT OVERLAYS IN, IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE PROPOSED CONDITION.
AND I ALSO INDICATED, UM, AN OVERLAY OF WHERE THE BUILDING WILL SIT AS PER THE CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS FOR NEW BUILDINGS.
AND YOU COULD SEE HERE WHERE, UM, WOULD, WOULD YOU MIND SHARING, UH, THAT ON THE SCREEN WE HAVE THE SHARE FUNCTION AVAILABLE? YES.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE PREPARED A SITE PLAN OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE PARKING AND THE BUILDING WOULD, UH, LIE IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE CURRENT, UH, LOCK CONFIGURATION AND THE ZONING, UH, LAWS, UM, AS A RESULT WITH THE SETBACKS AND THE BUILDING SIZE.
YOU COULD SEE HERE, THIS IS WHERE THE ONE STORY, ONE AND A HALF STORY FRAME ANTIQUE STORE IS CURRENTLY.
UM, WE DO NEED A 20 FOOT SETBACK WITH, AND, AND A 10 FOOT MINIMUM ON, ON ONE SIDE.
AND WE BASICALLY TRY TO HUG THIS SIDE, UM,
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LOT LINE TO CREATE A NICE WAY FOR PARKING TO, UH, GO IN BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND A LOT LINE, UH, INTO THE BACK AREA.SO, UM, THIS WILL END UP BEING WHERE THE WELL IS THE WELL IS LOCATED AT THIS AREA OF THE BUILDING.
SO THERE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE CONCEALED.
THERE IS METHODS OF, OF, UM, PROPERLY, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING IT, UH, INTACT.
UM, AND, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND.
IF YOU'RE GOING, ARE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA COVER IT SO THAT THE STONE WORK, ET CETERA, NOBODY WILL KNOW THERE'S A WELL THERE COR, CORRECT.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, OH, THE IDEA HERE IS TO, YOU KNOW, DECONSTRUCT THE, THE EXISTING, UH, CONDITIONS THAT ARE THERE TO BE ABLE TO PRESERVE AND EITHER DONATE OR REUSE AS NECESSARY, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A DESIGN THAT EITHER WORKS WITH IT OR DONATE SO SOMEONE CAN, COULD USE IT.
UM, I, I WILL GET INTO THAT OUT OF THE SCOPE.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE ELEVATIONS THAT I WANNA SHOW YOU.
UM, BUT, UM, I'LL GET TO THAT AFTER, UM, SOME OF THE REMAINING QUESTIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UM, IN A PREVIOUS MEETING.
SO THERE IS A METHOD OF, UH, SECURING THE, THE, THE, THE WELL, UM, JUST SO IT, IT DOESN'T CREATE A HAZARDOUS CONDITION, UM, IN ADDITION TO, ANOTHER QUESTION WAS, WHAT ABOUT THE BOOKS, PICTURES ON THE WALLS, AND SOME OF THE LARGE AND SMALL ANTIQUE, UH, IRON WORK ADJACENT TO THE BRICKS, UH, SCREEN DOORS, BOULDERS THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM WINDOWS FACING NORTH? UH, WE CAN STILL, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, IS, IS GROUPED WITH THE, THE FIRST QUESTION WHERE WE, WE WILL GET AN APPRAISER TO COME AND, AND LOOK AT ALL OF THESE O OBJECTS.
ESTABLISHED COMPANY CAN TAKE, UH, UH, ANY ELEMENT OF, OF THE EXISTING CONSTRUCTION, UM, SUCH AS LIKE A TIMBER AND ANYTHING THAT, ANY ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE, YOU KNOW, SALVAGE AND USED FOR FUTURE USE.
UM, SO THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'RE, WE WILL BE DOING AS WELL.
UM, IF THE FACADE OF THE CHAPEL IS 20TH CENTURY DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T MEAN 1999.
UH, SO DATING IT, UM, DATING THE WORK MIGHT BE IMPORTANT, WHICH IS DEFINITELY IMPORTANT.
UM, BASE BASED ON, UM, THE CONSULTANT'S FINDINGS, THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE FROM 1972 HAS A PICTURE OF THE CHAPEL, UH, AS CLAPBOARD, UH, SIDING, UM, AND SAYS THAT IT WAS BUILT 15 YEARS AGO.
SO WE KNOW THAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS BUILT, UH, 1957, AND THAT IS, WAS CO IT, IT, IT WAS COVERED WITH BRICK AT SOMETIME AFTER 1972.
SO THE BRICK IS AT MOST 54 YEARS OLD.
UH, HIS GUESS IS THAT THE BRICK WORK ALL DAY TO, AFTER THE, THE CUTTEN FAMILY ACQUIRED A PROPERTY IN 1986, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE BRICKWORK WAS DONE BY, BY THE RUEL, UM, AL VU, UM, AFTER HE ACQUIRED A PROPERTY IN 1998.
UM, AND WE COULD BUILD, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PULL, UH, THE SURVEY FROM BUILDING APARTMENT TO, TO SEE WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD IN 1998.
SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE ARTICLE, UM, AND THE REFERENCES TO THAT, IT WAS BUILT 15 YEARS, YOU KNOW, UM, PRIOR TO THAT ARTICLE GIVES US A, A TIMEFRAME OF 1957.
UM, SO, SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT ASSUMPTION THAT, THAT, THAT THAT BRICKWORK THAT, UH, EXISTED.
IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ANYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, KNOW, PRIOR, LIKE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS OR 18 HUNDREDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT LOOKED PRETTY, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY NEW, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHIN LET'S SAY THE 50, 50 YEARS, UH, TIME SPAN.
UM, SO WHAT DO, YEAH, WHAT'S GOING, WHAT, WHAT PLANS DO YOU HAVE FOR THE CHAPEL? I'D LOVE YOU JUST TO PICK IT UP AND PUT IT SOMEPLACE.
I, I WISH, UH, THAT WAS FEASIBLE.
WE, WE ARE JUST CONCERNED, LIKE THE CHAPEL IS BACK HERE, UH, IN RELATIONSHIP TO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE THE NEW, UH, PARKING LOT WAS GOING TO GO, UH, FOR THE, FOR THE NEW USE.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK DECONSTRUCTING IT AND TAKING IT APART AND REUSING THE MATERIALS IS PROBABLY THE MOST, UM, UH, BENEFICIAL
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METHOD HERE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ALTERED THIS CHAPEL WITH THE BRICK VENEER.ONCE WE TAKE EVERYTHING DOWN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA FIND BEHIND THERE.
UM, IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT, THERE COULD BE A CHANCE THAT THEY ELIMINATED THE, THE CLAPBOARD AND THERE'S JUST, UM, OR LEFT IT THERE.
WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL WE START TAKING THINGS DOWN.
UM, SO THAT, THAT LEAVES US TO THE NEXT THING WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE EXHAUSTED ALL OF THESE POSSIBILITIES AND WE KIND OF, WE DID NARROW DOWN THE TIME, THE TIME PERIODS OF THE STRUCTURES, RIGHT? IS IT, IS IT, IS IT OKAY TO PROCEED WITH POSSIBLY GETTING A DECONSTRUCTING PERMIT TO START REALLY TAKING THIS STUFF DOWN? AND, AND SEEING THE WOOD SAMPLING COMPANIES, THEY, THEY RECOMMENDED TO, UM, DO SOME OF THAT SO THAT THEY COULD TAKE SOME SAMPLES.
WE STILL WILL, UH, DATE ALL OF THE ELEMENTS AS WE'RE TAKING THINGS DOWN SLOWLY, UM, UM, JUST SO THAT, UM, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, CREATE A TI YOU KNOW, MORE ACCURATE TIMELINE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS, AS THAT WORK BEING IS BEING DONE, I, I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME QUESTIONS AND WE WANNA HEAR FROM EVERYONE IN THE ROOM, ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS.
BUT JUST SPEAKING FOR PROCEDURE, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, IF THE BOARD WERE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON, UM, CERTAIN STEPS AND ACTION STEPS MOVING FORWARD, THE BOARD COULD DISCUSS THOSE THIS EVENING, THEN DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE, YOU KNOW, A LETTER THAT OUTLINES CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OR CONDITIONS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH CERTAIN DECONSTRUCTION ASPECTS.
WE'LL OBVIOUSLY REVIEW IT WITH COUNSEL AND THEN WE WOULD TRANSMIT THAT TO YOU.
SO JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF POTENTIAL PROCEDURE FOR THIS EVENING.
MS. PURDY, MR. SCHMIDT, DON'T WE, UH, NORMALLY, UM, HAVE THE APPLICANT'S CONTACT, THE SALVAGE, UM, COMPANIES THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE SAY THE, UM, FIELDSTONE IF IT'S REAL FIELDSTONE THE BRICKS, UM, BEFORE THE DECONSTRUCTION BEGINS? YES.
SO WE DID PROVIDE, UM, SOME INFORMATION ON THE FRONT END, AND I SEE MR. SORO NODDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE HAD ANY COMMUNICATION AT ALL.
UH, THERE WAS A NOTE OR A STATEMENT THAT CERTAIN ITEMS WOULD LIKELY BE SALVAGED, AND MY WAS GONNA BE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY DIRECT COMMUNICATION AT ALL YET WITH ANY OF THE SALVAGE COMPANIES? UH, WE DID REACH OUT TO SEVERAL, UH, WE DID ISSUE A, A LETTER INDICATING WHO WE REACHED OUT TO, UH, IN THE PAST, UM, THEY HAVEN'T, UM, HAD ANY IN OR, YOU KNOW, REAL INTERESTS, UH, IN IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SENT THEM A LOT OF PICTURES, UM, YOU KNOW, OF EVERYTHING HERE.
UM, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE WHO'S WILLING TO, UH, TAKE, TAKE, UH, ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE WILLING TO STORE THIS STUFF, YOU KNOW, UH, AS WELL, UM, UNTIL WE GET, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISH COMPANIES TO, TO TAKE, TAKE IT.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, REUSE SOME OF THE STUFF, UH, ON SITE AS WELL.
WE ARE, WE WANNA REBUILD, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS BACK SECTION AND KEEP IT IN PLACE WITH ALL OF THE SAME MATERIAL THAT WAS, UM, EXISTING.
SO WE, WE ARE REUSING SOME OF IT, BUT WE, WE JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO USE EVERYTHING.
OH, NO, I, I WOULD AGREE TO THAT.
HAVE YOU REACHED OUT TO ANY OF THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT WORD, SO PLEASE EXCUSE ME, THE DIOCESE TO SEE WHETHER THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THE CHAPEL OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE PARKS ARE ALLOWED BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED A RELIGIOUS, WE DO HAVE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, BUT SOME PARK MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN IT.
UM, UM, I HAVEN'T REACHED, BLOCKED MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT, REACHED CHAT HIM, UM, SPECIFICALLY, AND I WAS TRYING TO REACH, I JUST REACHED OUT TO JUST THE OI I'LL ESTABLISH COMPANIES, BUT, UM, I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WHO TO REACH OUT TO ON THAT SIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD HELP, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, MAYBE RE YOU KNOW, LOOK INTO THE LOCAL AREAS.
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THE NEW ENGLAND STATES AND AROUND ALBANY HAS SALVAGE COMPANIES THAT TAKE RATHER WEIRD THINGS.YOU MIGHT WANNA GOOGLE SOME OF THEM.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN WEBINARS THAT THE, UM, VARIOUS HISTORIC BOARDS IN THE STATE HAVE, UM, WATCHED.
UM, FOR WINDOWS, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S SOMEBODY BE A LITTLE BIT BEYOND ALBANY.
BUT I'M, I'M MORE, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN
UM, AND I WOULD, I, THERE'S, I'M, I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THE, ANY OF THE DIOCESE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IT.
UM, IF, IF IT COULD BE DE COMMISSIONED AS A A A A REAL CHURCH, IT MIGHT DO WELL EVEN IN HARTSBURG BECAUSE IT'S VERY, VERY PRETTY.
UM, BUT I THINK BEFORE WE DECONSTRUCT IT, WE NEED TO KNOW IF SOMEBODY WILL TAKE IT WHOLE.
YOU CAN FINISH AND THEN I'LL ASK.
WELL, IT'S JUST THAT THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS WITHIN THE FOUR WALLS HAVE COME FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS AFFILIATIONS THAT IT'S MORE ECUMENICAL THAN IT THAN BELONGING TO ONE PARTICULAR RELIGION.
AND THAT'S WHY I, I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT WHOLE, THE DOORS CAME FROM SOMEPLACE, THE PEWS FROM SOMETHING ELSE, THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE, BUT NONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, NONE OF THEM ONE SPECIFIC RELIGION.
WE COULD USE ALL THE ECUMENICAL SPIRIT THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER.
MY QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE, DO YOU KNOW IF ACME HERITAGE CONSULTANTS HAS, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE OR POTENTIAL CONTACTS THAT, HAVE YOU HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, UH, EVEN BEYOND, YOU KNOW, THE CHAPEL, BUT OTHER SALVAGE COMPANIES? YOU KNOW, WE GAVE YOU THE TOWN LIST, AND FORGIVE ME, I RECALL NOW AND WAS SHOWN A COPY OF WHAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED IN TERMS OF OUTREACH, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF ACME HERITAGE CONSULTANTS HAD POTENTIALLY A, A WIDER, YOU KNOW, REACH IN THAT REGARD.
UM, WE MAINLY HAD THEM TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE, THE RESEARCH AND, AND, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTATION OF TRYING TO, UM, CREATE A TIMELINE FOR ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS, UM, AND, AND, AND ALL THE NECESSARY, UH, METHODS OF, OF DOING SO.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL REVISIT THAT SAME, UM, UM, CONDITION WITH, WITH THE SALVAGE COMPANY.
SO I'LL, I'LL SEE IF HE KNOWS ANYONE THAT'S, THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UH, I'LL, I'LL TRY TO, I'LL TRY TO REACH OUT TO EVEN OTHER AREAS.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE FARTHER I GO TO REACH OUT, UM, PEOPLE ARE NOT WILLING TO TRAVEL THAT FAR ANYMORE.
UM, BUT, BUT, UH, I'M GONNA KEEP TRYING
TO SEE IF, UH, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WILL BE INTERESTED IN.
I MEAN, ALL WE CAN ASK IS THAT YOU TRY AND, AND DOCUMENT YOUR EFFORTS LIKE YOU DID PREVIOUSLY, SO, OKAY.
DO A QUICK YES, YOU HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH YOU AND YOUR CLIENT, I HAVE TO TELL YOU.
DO YOU HAVE AN APPROXIMATE AGE ON THE, UH, CHAPEL WHEN IT WAS BUILT? WELL, YEAH.
THEY HAD SAID APPROXIMATELY 1957.
BE WE GOT THAT, UM, DATE BASED ON THAT, UH, NEWS ARTICLE FROM 1972 THAT HAD A PICTURE OF THE CHAPEL YEAH.
AS CLAPBOARD, UH, RIGHT, WHICH IS A WOOD, A WOOD SIDING, UM, THAT, THAT, UH, WAS, UH, EVENTUALLY, UH, EITHER REMOVED OR COVERED WITH THE BRICK THAT'S PRESENT CURRENTLY.
AND THEY SAID IT WAS APPRO APPROXIMATELY 1957.
YEAH, 15, 15 YEARS PRIOR TO THE ARTICLE.
I THINK IT'S MORE, I THINK IT'S ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS BEFORE THAT, A LITTLE OLDER.
SO, BECAUSE THAT WAS, THAT WAS THERE WHEN I WAS GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL.
SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND, YES, IT WAS, IT WAS ACTUALLY A CLAPBOARD OR, OR WOOD BASICALLY IT WAS WOOD AND THEN THE CLAPBOARD CAME ON LATER ON.
AH, I WENT BY IT EVERY DAY FOR FOUR YEARS.
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CARL.I WAS GONNA SAY, SO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS CLEVER AND IT WAS IN FROM THE EARLY FIFTIES WE'RE THINKING, OR, YEAH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS.
AND IT WAS PREFACED WITH BRICK IN THE EARLY FIFTIES.
THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, CORRECT.
YEAH, IT WAS ACTUALLY BUILT SOMEWHERE IN THE EARLY FIFTIES.
UH, THE ARTICLE SAID 15 YEARS, YOU KNOW, UM, A GO FROM 19 SHE APPROXIMATION
BASED ON, ON INFORMATION FROM THE ARTICLE.
ALSO, I HAD A GREAT UNCLE THAT WENT THERE ALMOST AT, AT LEAST ONCE OR TWICE A MONTH.
OH, TO PRAY THEY WOULD LIKE CANDLES AND YEAH, HE AND HIS WIFE WOULD GO AND HE WOULD ALWAYS HAVE HIS GROCERIES WITH HIM.
IT IS A NICE, UH, LITTLE CHAPEL, YOU KNOW, WITH A STAINED GLASS AND A, A PRAYER BENCH.
SO IT, IT'S DEFINITELY A, A NICE, UM, QUIET PLACE TO DO.
SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? UM, I AHEAD.
CAN I ASK ONE QUICK, DOES WHAT, WHEN YOU BUILD, PUT IN THE NEW BUILDING, DO YOU KNOW IT BE YES, YES.
I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT PART AS WELL.
SO, UH, WE WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE, A THE AVAILABLE, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGES AND THE USES, UM, AS PER THE ZONING.
UM, HERE WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL USE, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT THE EXISTING, UM, BILL, UM, SITE HAS IN ADDITION TO, UH, THE, THE ONE FAMILY USE THAT, THAT WAS HERE IN A NEW, IN A NEW STRUCTURE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TWO FAMILIES, SO TWO APARTMENTS.
WE'RE GONNA KEEP COMMERCIAL AND, AND INCLUDE TWO FAMILIES.
WE DID DO A, A, A, A SCHEMATIC LAYOUT, WHICH I COULD SHOW YOU HERE WHERE, UH, THE FIRST FLOOR, RIGHT, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AT THE FIRST FLOOR, WE HAVE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL ENTRY CENTER OF THE SPACE TO TRY TO CREATE A NICE BIG OPENING AR AREA WITH THE OFFICE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BATHROOM PANTRY CORRIDOR AREA HERE.
UM, AND THEN A SECONDARY ENTRANCE TO GO UP TO THE APARTMENTS THAT'LL BE LOCATED ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE HEIGHT OF THIS AREA TO MAKE A NICE AND, AND GRAND, UH, FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
UH, IN ADDITION TO HAVE A SECONDARY EN ENTRANCE GOING UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH IS HERE, UM, THE SECOND FLOOR, UM, STAIRS LEAD UP TO A VESTIBULE HERE THAT LEADS INTO TWO UNITS.
UH, THIS IS ONE UNIT, AND THIS IS ANOTHER UNIT WHERE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TWO BEDROOM APARTMENTS, UH, WITH, WITH THE, YOU KNOW, LIVING DINING, YOU KNOW, KITCHEN AREA, UH, WITH AMPLE CLOSET SPACES, UH, UH, SINGLE BATHROOM.
YOU KNOW, YOU ENTER, YOU HAVE A NICE, UH, GRAND KITCHEN AREA WITH AN ISLAND, A NICE BIG, UH, LIVING DINING SPACE AND, AND TWO BEDROOMS WITH CLOSET AREAS.
SO ONE WILL BE FACING THE SOUTH SIDE, ONE WILL BE ON A NORTH SIDE, A NORTH SIDE.
AND THIS IS THE GENERAL LAYOUT, CONFIGURATIONS TO HOUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO UNITS TO TWO FAMILIES, UM, WITHIN, UH, THE, THE STRUCTURE NOW, THE ELEVATION THAT WE CAN PREPARED A FEW DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF WHAT THIS IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UH, THE FIRST, UH, SKI SCHEME IS TRY TO, UH, YOU KNOW, CREATE, THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, FRONT SOUTH ELEVATION, THE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, THE NORTH, AND THEN THIS IS THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS IF YOU'RE FACING, UH, THE FRONT, RIGHT? SO THIS WOULD BE THE ENTRY AREA, UM, OF, OF THE COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN WE HAVE A, UH, ENTRANCE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL THAT LEADS YOU UP TO THE APARTMENT ABOVE.
WE TRY TO, IN THIS SCHEME, WE TRY TO SALVAGE AS MUCH AS THE BRICK AS POSSIBLE.
UH, CREATE SOME NICE DECORATIVE, YOU KNOW, ARCHES, UH, MO A LITTLE MORE MODERN ARCHES, UM, WITH DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, UH, TO TRY TO TIE IN BOTH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMERCIAL AND, UH, RESIDENTIAL ABOVE.
UM, AND, AND THE SIDE VIEW BASICALLY SHOWS THE SEPARATION OF THE TWO SPACES ABOVE WHERE THIS IS ONE UNIT, THIS IS ANOTHER UNIT.
UH, AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, OVER HERE IS, IS, UH, THE RIGHT SIDE WHERE, UM, IT IS THE DRIVEWAY SIDE THAT GETS YOU TO THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE OWNER WANTED, YOU KNOW, AN OVERSIZED DOOR, UH, FOR MATERIAL OR DELIVERY, UH, FOR, FOR ANY, YOU KNOW, AN ANYTHING THAT'S RELATED TO THE SPACE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, OFFICE, UH, UH, WINDOW IS ACTUALLY OVER HERE.
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SAME THING WITH THE SIDE HERE.IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE ON TOP.
THIS WAS ONE IDEA THAT WE WERE, UH, PROPOSING.
THESE ARE, UH, ARE AWNINGS, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO GIVE SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, SHADES SINCE THIS IS A SOUTHERN EXPOSURE, AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, UH, CREATE THAT COMMERCIAL FEEL, UM, TO, TO, TO THAT, UH, FRONT FACADE.
UH, THE SECOND IDEA IS SIMILAR WITH THE BRICK DESIGN.
UH, WE TRY TO DO A COUPLE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF PATTERNS AND, UH, WITH THE BRICK WORK, MAYBE CREATE SOME COLONATED, UH, AREAS, UH, TRY TO, UH, CREATE DIFFERENT PATTERNS SEPARATING THE COMMERCIAL, UM, AND THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, WITH, WITH CO COING OF, OF, OF THE BRICK AS WELL.
UH, SO THIS IS A, JUST ANOTHER VARIATION OF THE BRICK DESIGN.
UM, SO WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE NEXT OPTION'S A LITTLE MORE MODERN.
UM, THE OWNER, IT HAS A BUSINESS IN AND DOING SIDING, ALUMINUM SIDING.
SO HE DOES FABRICATE HIS OWN SIDING AND, AND CREATE SHAPES AND FORMS, AND HE IS EAGER TO DO THAT ON THIS PROP PROJECT AS WELL.
UH, I KNOW WE WERE TRYING TO USE A LOT OF THE EXISTING, UM, MATERIAL ON, ON THIS STRUCTURE, BUT HE WANTED JUST TO, UH, PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT HE COULD DO HIMSELF AND, AND, AND, AND KIND OF PROMOTE HIS, UM, CRAFTSMANSHIP IN THE, IN HIS OWN BUILDING.
UM, SO, SO IN THIS DESIGN, UH, WOULD BASICALLY CREATE A LITTLE MODERN APPROACH.
NOTHING CHANGED AS FAR AS THE LAYOUT.
IT'S JUST THE FINISHES ON THE EXTERIOR THAT GETS MODIFIED WHERE WE CREATE NICE BORDERS AROUND THE BUILDING, SOME ENTRY, UM, A WAY THAT, THAT, UH, MORE OF A CUBIC FORM, UH, HIGH, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS SCHEME AND, AND, AND JUST DIFFERENT KINDS OF ALUMINUM CLAIN, UM, DESIGN WRAPPING AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, SO THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER, UM, ALUMINUM PANEL HERE.
UM, WHICH, UH, THE, THE COLOR WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT THE COLOR SCHEME TO MAYBE WORK WITH SOME OF THE RED BRICK AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE COLOR TONES OF THE EXISTING, UH, UH, STRUCTURE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE OWNER ACTUALLY HAD AN IDEA OF MAYBE USING A BRICK.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS GOOD, BUT MAYBE USING IT A A AS PAVED AREAS, LIKE CREATE SOME SORT OF A RED BRICK PAVING, UM, ALONG THE ENTRY AREA, MAYBE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR THE DRIVEWAY OR, OR CREATE SOME SORT OF BORDER.
SO MAYBE WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE STRUCTURE WITH, IN THIS NEW DESIGN, LIKE A NEWER DESIGN IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE OLDER MATERIAL TO POSSIBLY INTEGRATE BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS THE APPROACH THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE, BUT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A COUPLE OPTIONS TO, TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN, AND THEN THE LAST SCHEME IS A COMBINATION OF, UH, BRICK AND ALUMINUM PANELING, WHERE I FIGURED, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S TRY TO SEE IF WE COULD GET SOMEONE
YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF BREAKS IT UP AS WELL, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET SOME OF THE ALUMINUM AND PLUS SOME OF THE BRICK WORK INTO THIS AREA, UM, JUST TO TRY TO TIE IT ALL TOGETHER, UM, IN, IN, IN, IN THE, THE FACADES VERSUS THE PAVED AREAS, RIGHT? SO, KNOW THESE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE OPTIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH FOR NOW, AND I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT IT TO, YOU KNOW, TO THE TEAM HERE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DIRECTION YOU THINK, UH, WOULD BE THE BEST HERE.
I, A QUESTION, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YES.
UM, SO THE CURRENT STRUCTURE IS NOT VERY FAR BACK FROM THE ROAD.
WHAT IS THE SETBACK THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR WHAT LOOKS LIKE A VERY HANDSOME ELEVATION THERE? VERY HANDSOME FACADE.
IS IT THE CURRENT OR IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S 20 FEET.
UM, IT'S EVEN FURTHER, QUITE A BIT FURTHER BECAUSE OF THE DIMENSION.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE PROPORTIONS, THE DIMENSIONS OF THAT BUILDING ARE QUITE LARGER THAN THE CURRENT STRUCTURE.
SO YOU ARE PROPOSING TO SET IT BACK EVEN FARTHER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS? YES.
AND THIS IS DUE TO THE ZONING REGULATIONS.
SO I, I CAN'T, UNLESS I GO FOR VARIANCE, UH, TO, TO DO IT, BUT IT, BUT I THINK IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL ALLOW FOR A MORE OF A, YOU KNOW, A, A A, A BETTER PRESENCE.
YOU, I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE THE STRUCTURE VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, SO THAT LIKE, WE COULD CREATE MORE OF A ENTRY TO THE SPACE.
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QUESTION.YEAH, I THINK, UH, LOOKING AT IT, UH, UH, THE BUILDING AND THEN ELEVATIONS AND THE CHARACTER AND, UH, BEEN MORE IN SISTER COUNTY 45 YEARS AGO, AND I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I DROVE THROUGH IT AND I, I KIND OF WAS REALLY, UH, REMEMBER THE, AND THE CHARACTER OF IT.
AND, UH, EVERY TIME I CAN PASS BY IT'S REALLY HAS A GREAT, UH, UH, PRESENCE OF THE PLACE.
AND, UH, WHAT, UH, I SEE THERE WITH, UH, MAKING IT A, UH, KIND OF A CONTEMPORARY BUILDING, UH, ALTHOUGH IT HAS A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO IT.
AND WAS THERE ANY, UH, THOUGHT GIVEN TO KIND OF CREATE SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, CARRIES SOME OF THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING, UH, BUILDING AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT I SEE IS A PRETTY PRETTY STANDARD, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S SORT OF, UH, DOESN'T CAPTURE THE, UH, IN ANY SHAPE OF WAY THE CHARACTER OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT VERY NOTICEABLE, PARTICULARLY WITH A, UH, ROOF CARRYING THE, UM, IN A BIG LAYER, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE OR SOMETHING.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS THAT WAS EVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT, UH, HAVING A MORE, A, UM, ROPE LINE SIMILAR TO THAT? UM, AND, AND COULD BE, UH, COULD WE USE THAT INSTEAD OF A FLAT ROOF, UH, FOR EXAMPLE? YES, YES.
IT WAS, IT, IT ACTUALLY WAS DISCUSSED IN, IN SEVERAL MEETINGS.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE FOLLOWED THE, THE, THE OWNER'S KIND OF, UH, DIRECTION HERE AS FAR AS WHAT HE ANTICIPATED IT TO BE, UH, FOR HIS CONSTRUCTABILITY THAT HE TRIED IT.
HE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TOO COMPLICATED WITH THE DIFFERENT ROOF LINES.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE PAST AND WE FELT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S SEE IF THE, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD IS, IS OKAY WITH, YOU KNOW, MODERNIZING THE STRUCTURE, SIMPLIFYING THE STRUCTURE, UM, BUT THEY MAY BE POSSIBLY MIXING AND MATCHING NEW AND OLD MATERIALS.
BUT I DID GO, UH, THE, THE SHAPE THAT IS, UH, WHAT YOU FLAT ROOF IS MORE, MORE EXPENSIVE, MORE COMPLICATED, REQUIRES PLATFORM MAINTENANCE, THEN YOU HAVE A, UH, SORT OF PITCH ROPE WITH A BRINGING IN LARGE, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 40 FEET, UH, SPAN THAT YOU ARE GONNA BE, UH, UH, COVERING, YEAH, 25 FEET, UM, TOTAL ALTOGETHER TO THE TOP OF ROOF.
AND, AND, AND THE, THE DRIVING FORCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, OF DOING THESE FLAT ROOF BUILDINGS IS, IS TO TRY TO MAXIMIZE CEILING HEIGHT FOR THE COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A MAXIMUM 25 FOOT DIMENSION THAT WE NEED TO HOLD.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS A DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THE FLAT ROOF, THE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE HEIGHT, UH, WITHIN, UH, THE BUILDING.
UM, SO WHAT'S A, UH, CODE REQUIRES THE HEIGHT? I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE TWO AND A HALF STORY.
YOU ALLOWED TWO AND A HALF STORIES, BUT YOU, YOU ARE CAPPED WITH THE, WITH THE HEIGHT OF 25 25 WITH A, UH, MIXED USE.
HAVE YOU RUN THIS BY THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF SETBACKS OR EVEN THE USE, WHETHER THIS CONSTITUTES AN EXPANSION OF A NOT PERFORMING USE? I REACH OUT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
WERE YOU GOING FROM ONE FAMILY TO TWO Y? YES.
WE DID A, A THOROUGH ZONING ANALYSIS THAT, THAT INDICATED WE'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE TWO FAMILY.
WE DID SEND IT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR PRELIMINARY REVIEW.
WE DIDN'T GET IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD YET.
UH, WE WANTED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, REVIEW THESE ITEMS WITH, WITH YOU FIRST, UH, BEFORE PROCEEDING, BUT WE WE'RE DEFINITELY EAGER TO SEND IT TO THEM AS WELL.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE SENDING THERE I IS, UH, A, A DIRECTION THAT WE'RE ALL, UH, UM, IN, IN LINE WITH.
AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT GOT BACK TO YOU THAT IT'S ZONING COMPLIANT? YEAH.
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YES.UM, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT.
UH, WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PARKING LOT A LITTLE MORE CLOSER, UM, WHETHER, UM, UM, WE ARE GONNA PUT IT IN THE BACK OR THE FRONT.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS IN COMPLIANCE.
YEAH, THE, I THINK THE REAR WOULD BE PREFERRED.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE AS WELL.
ANY OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION AND THAT IS, THAT IS, UH, IN YOUR LETTER OF FEBRUARY 26TH, YOU INDICATED THAT, UM, LAMBORGHINI ARCHITECTURAL WAS INTERESTED OR EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN, UH, REUSING SOME OF THE MATERIALS OR ON THE SITE.
DID YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP WITH THEM? UH, UH, LET ME, LEMME JUST DOUBLE CHECK.
UH, WHICH ONE BECAUSE I, I THINK THE, THE ONE THAT, I THINK THEY WERE THE ONE THAT WANTED THE, THE SIGNAGE, THE ANTIQUE SIGNAGE THAT PRESENT.
SO, SO, UH, WE, WE TOLD WE CAN'T DO THAT.
THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT WE WE'RE GONNA KEEP
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING MORE WE NEED TO DISCUSS MR. LIEBERMAN OR MR. SCHMIDT? WELL, GOING BACK TO SORT OF THE MIDPOINT OF THE CONVERSATION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM MR. ASARO, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE MET WITH THIS BOARD FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS, RIGHT.
UM, AND I THINK THEY'VE BEEN QUITE RESPONSIVE AND THERE WAS AN ASK OF WHETHER OR NOT SUBJECT TO CERTAIN STIPULATIONS, YOU KNOW, COULD THEY BEGIN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE DECONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS BOARD FAVORS DECONSTRUCTION OVER DEMOLITION.
THAT'S, UH, CERTAINLY BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED QUITE A BIT RE EVEN MORE RECENTLY IN TERMS OF PREPARING, YOU KNOW, A, A DRAFT.
UM, I THINK IF THE BOARD'S COMFORTABLE, I CAN WORK WITH CHAIRPERSON, OSHA AND MR. LIEBERMAN TO CRAFT A LETTER WITH CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR THEM TO BEGIN TO MOVE FORWARD.
NOW, MR. SORO, MY ONE QUESTION IN RELATION TO THAT IS, DO YOU ENVISION THE NEED FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT DECONSTRUCTION, I THINK UNDER OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S ENVELOPE, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD CALL IT A DEMOLITION PERMIT.
DO YOU BELIEVE YOU WOULD NEED TO SECURE DEMOLITION PERMIT IN CONNECTION WITH ANY OF THIS DECONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY? YES, DEFINITELY.
SO YOU'VE BEEN HOLDING OFF ON THAT AS THIS BOARD'S BEEN CONSIDERING YOUR PROPOSAL.
SO IF THE BOARD'S COMFORTABLE, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH CHAIRPERSON OSHA AND MR. LIEBERMAN ON CRAFTING SOME CONDITIONS TO PERMIT THEM TO, YOU KNOW, TRANSITION INTO AT LEAST A PORTION OF THAT PHASE WHILE, AS DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD, CONTINUING TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE CHAPEL TO, YOU KNOW, BE TAKEN, RELOCATED, ET CETERA.
I, I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
SO ON THE FIRST, WHEN YOU SHOWED US THE INTERIOR IT LOOKED LIKE TWO COM, UH, A FULL COMMERCIAL BAY WITH A BATHROOM IN THE BACK AND A STAIRCASE.
BUT ALL THE ELEVATIONS ARE SHOWING WINDOWS.
HOW ARE YOU GETTING IN THERE? OKAY.
I'LL DO A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.
SO YOU COULD SEE, UH, IN RELATIONSHIPS, THE CENTRAL, YOU SEE HOW THAT ONE IS RAISED? THAT'S NOT A DOOR.
SO YEAH, THE ONE, THIS, THE, THIS DIAGONAL, THIS IS A DOOR CENTER, RIGHT? SO, SO BASICALLY THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE SEE THIS, OKAY, SO THIS DOOR HERE IS THIS DOOR HERE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THIS, UH, DID THESE DIS DISPLAY WINDOW HERE, HERE BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL, LIKE GARAGE SPACE? NOT TRUE.
THE, THE GARAGE, NO, THE, THIS IS JUST AN OVERSIZED DOOR IN THE BACK FOR TRANSPORTATION OF GOODS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE WANTED TO CREATE, UH, YOU KNOW, STOREFRONTS, YOU KNOW, UH, ON THE SIDES.
AND THEN, UH, WE, WE, WE DIDN'T WANNA HAVE, WE TRIED TO SEPARATE THE, THE RESIDENTIAL ENTRANCE ON THE
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SIDE, YOU KNOW, AWAY FROM THE COMMERCIAL IN THE CENTER.WE WANTED TO CREATE SOME SORT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SEPARATION THERE AND CREATE A DIFFERENT, LIKE, ENTRY CONDITION FOR RESIDENTIAL AND THEN ENTRY CONDITION FOR COMMERCIAL.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE SIGNAGE HERE FOR RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE FOR, UH, I MEAN ON COMMERCIAL AND THEN RESIDENTIAL HERE AS WELL.
SO LIKE THE, THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY PROJECTIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS.
YOU KNOW, WE EVENTUALLY, WE COULD DO LIKE A 3D DIAGRAM OF IT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO CREATE THAT, THAT DISTINCTION OF, OF ENTRANCES.
UM, AND IT, SO WHEN YOU ENTER TO GO TO THE APARTMENTS ABOVE, IT'S THROUGH THIS VESTIBULE HERE.
IT GIVES, THERE'S A STARE THAT COMES UP, A LANDING, AND THEN THE STAIR THAT COMES UP, UM, TO THE SECOND FLOOR WHERE THE SECOND FLOOR, YOU COULD SEE HERE, THE SIDE, THIS IS THE LANDING.
I GOT ALL THAT, THAT FIRST, THE FIRST, UH, ITERATION WHERE THE WHOLE FACADE IS CONTINUOUS FROM ROOF LINE TO THE GROUND IS PRETTY TERRIBLE BECAUSE, UM, WHICH ONE JUST REALLY FLAT.
IT'S, IT'S NICE HOW YOU CUT A HORIZONTAL PLANE AND DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A, IT'S A SKIM STUDY.
AND, UM, ARE YOU MATCH, ARE YOU MATCHING THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING NEXT DOOR? WELL, COMMERCIAL, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
WELL, IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
WAS THAT ONE THE ONE NEXT DOOR TO IT? TO THE RIGHT.
IF YOU GO TO THE RIGHT, THAT COMMERCIAL, WHAT THAT SETS BACK THAT, THAT'S ORIGINALLY A DELI A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WAS CALLED THE, UH, OH.
YEAH, I COULD, COULD BRING THAT UP HERE IF YOU WANT.
IT'S GONNA LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN THAT ONE FOR SURE.
UM, SO HOW MUCH IS THE BUILDING? IS THERE ANY KIND OF STEPS TO GO IN THERE? IS ANY, UH, SORT OF, UH, SIDEWALK FRONT, UH, SORT OF ENTRANCE OR YOU JUST SORT OF OPEN UP ONTO THE, UH, LAPTOP, UH, DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING, SO, SO, YEAH.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE ADJACENT BUILDING.
WHERE, WHERE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE APARTMENTS ABOVE, AND THEN RETAIL ON, ON THE BOTTOM HERE.
SO THIS IS NEXT DOOR, AND THIS IS THE, OUR SITE HERE.
SO THE BUILDING WILL GET SET BACK, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS DEEP AS THIS.
HE IS WAY BEYOND THE WHOLE BUILDING.
BUT I, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE SORT OF A, WHEN YOU ENTER IT, DOES HE HAVE ANY OWNING OR IT'S A SETBACK BEFORE YOU CAN GET INTO IT? YES, YES.
THERE WILL BE A, A SETBACK, UM, A 20 FOOT STEP BACK, 20 FOOT.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY IT WOULD GIVE YOU A NICE, UH, CUSHION OR LIKE SEPARATION, UH, FROM THE SIDE, YOU KNOW, THE STREET AREA, YOU KNOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, WHO COULD PARK.
THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL COME AROUND.
WE'LL HAVE A SECONDARY ENTRANCE IN THE BACK AS WELL AS ENTRANCE IN THE FRONT.
BUT THAT'S, UH, UH, WHERE IS THE HANDICAP AND, AND HOW DO THEY COME TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE AND OH, THAT'S ALL PROBABLY TO BE DESIGNED, I IMAGINE, RIGHT? YES.
WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE DETAIL OF, OF ALL THOSE ELEMENTS ONCE WE GET INTO THE FINAL DESIGNS, THE BOARD REVIEW PROCESS.
BUT ISN'T THERE STILL ROOM, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT TO THE RIGHT, THERE WAS, THERE'S A WHOLE PILE OF A, THERE'S A BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF THOSE TWO PROPERTIES.
UM, WELL, I'M HERE, HERE, YOU'RE SAYING HAVE A PERMIT FOR IT, BUT THERE'S A BATHROOM IN THERE.
I THINK IT WAS LIKE USED AS A PHOTOGRAPHY PLACE OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.
AND IT WENT RIGHT DOWN THE SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
DO YOU HAVE YES, THERE IS, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT IS, UH, IT'S, I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF STORES THEY'RE HERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE TO THE CLOTHING LEFT TO THE LEFT.
RIGHT BEHIND THE FENCE LINE TO THE LEFT.
CAN YOU LIKE, PEEK DOWN THE DRIVEWAY? IS THERE A WAY TO, THERE, THERE'S THAT BUILDING, UM, THAT WAS USED AS AN ARTIST STUDIO AND A RIGHT THERE.
SO, UH, LET ME OPEN UP THE, THE OTHER SITE PLAN.
SO THE, THAT IT WAS BASICALLY A SHED, WHICH WE, WE ARE GONNA REMOVE, UH, OH.
THIS IS, IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ANY OF THE ZONING REGULATIONS
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AT ALL.UH, THE OWNERSHIP, OWNERSHIP DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY USE FOR IT.
IT WAS JUST LIKE A SHED THAT, THAT, THAT WAS, UM, UH, BUILT PROBABLY LEGALLY.
NO, IT WAS, THERE WAS A, SHE FURTHER UP THERE, THIS IS A LONGER BUILDING, LIKE ONE STORY FLAT BUILDING.
THERE IS A ONE NEXT TO THE, IT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE BORDER.
IT WAS ON THE BORDER OF THE ROCK.
IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE THREE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AS PER THE SURVEY.
AND YEAH, IT LOOKED, YEAH, THERE WAS, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS, UH, AND WE DID THE WALKTHROUGH THAT ONE TIME, AND WE SAW THAT IT, IT WAS LOCKED, BUT COULDN'T GET IN THERE.
UM, THERE, THERE WAS A SHED FURTHER UP TOO.
THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE WAS A SHED IN THE BACK WHERE THE CHAPEL YES.
THAT, YEAH, THAT, AND, AND WE, WE WANNA RECONSTRUCT THIS, UM, CONCRETE BLOCK GARAGE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, RESTORE THE ROOF AS WELL AS, UM, YOU KNOW, RE REC CLATTER, EVERYTHING'S THE, THE, THE BLOCK.
THERE'S SOME BLOCK THAT IS ABLE TO BE SALVAGED THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GET, PUT THIS, UH, PUT A NEW ROOF HERE AND, YOU KNOW, USE THE BRICK THAT'S ON SITE TO CLOUD THIS ENTIRE STRUCTURE, THIS LITTLE, THE LITTLE BUILDING THAT THE SHED KIND OF THING THAT USED A STORAGE AND SOMETHING ELSE IS BRICK.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU'D EITHER WANNA USE OR SELL, BE, UH, BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANNA DUMP IT INTO LANDFILL.
WE, WE, WE, WE'LL QUANTIFY, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET INTO THE FINAL DIRECTION AND DESIGN, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO A TAKEOFF ON, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH MATERIAL IS ACTUALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, PRESENT THERE.
AND, AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE AN ESTIMATE OF, WELL, HOW MUCH OF IT CAN ACTUALLY BE REUSED? UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE NOT EVERY SINGLE PIECE IS GONNA BE, UM, RIGHT.
IN A CONDITION TO, TO BE REUSED.
BUT YEAH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GIVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF IT, UH, AND, AND, AND THEN REALLY COME UP WITH, UH, A STRATEGY.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU KNOW THAT, THAT'S WHY WE, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THESE IDEAS, JUST KIND OF KINDA GET A DIRECTION OF OKAY.
UM, IF YOU, YOU HAVE A RIGHT WITH, WITH ANY OF THESE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
THERE ARE FIELDS, UH, UH, SHORT, SMALL, NO SHORT FIELD, STONE WALLS.
ONE IS GOING UP TO THE CHAPEL AND UHHUH.
WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT? NOT, NOT THE CHAP, THE, THE FIELD STONE ITSELF? UM, THIS FIELD STONE, YEAH.
ANY STONE THAT, THAT IS PRESENT WHERE, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE IF, UH, YOU TALKING ABOUT ON THE, ON THE, ON THE GROUND, RIGHT? YOU TOLD ME.
THAT STUFF, THAT IS, THAT IT HAS SOME NICE STONE THERE.
WE, WE COULD DEFINITELY REUSE.
UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PLENTY OF, OF DEPTH IN THIS LOT.
YOU, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANTED TO, UM, SEE IF IT'S OKAY TO EVEN USE, YOU KNOW, SOME GRAVEL, WHATEVER, UH, STONE AVAILABLE, AND, AND, AND TRY TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANT US TO REPAVE IT OR, OR GRAVEL, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD DISCUSS THAT IN, IN DETAIL.
WE JUST KIND OF WANNA, UM, JUST GET IN SOME SORT OF DIRECTION ON, ON.
I, THEY'RE ALSO BOULDERS ONE I PARTICULARLY LIKE.
BUT, UM, DO YOU PLAN TO BLAST YOUR HOUSE?
I COULD USE IT DOWN HERE MORE THAN MY HOUSE
BUT ARE YOU, ARE YOU PLANNING TO BLAST? EXCUSE ME, BLAST.
THE, THE BOULDER THAT, UH, WE SAW THE LARGE BOULDER THAT HAD THE POND UNDERNEATH THAT WE WERE GONNA KEEP, BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS ALSO HOLDING, UH, IT'S IN, IT'S IN THIS LOCATION HERE.
IT'S, IT'S HOLDING A LOT OF THE GRADE.
UM, THIS IS A HIGHER ELEVATION.
THERE IS A RETAINING WALL HERE, SO WE DON'T REALLY WANNA DISTURB THAT.
WE WANNA BE ABLE TO JUST TO LEAVE THAT.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE OKAY WITH LEAVING THAT, UM, IN PLACE, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER BOULDER THERE.
UM, IF YOU LOOK OUT OF, I THINK, WITH ONE OF THE WINDOWS IN GOING TOWARDS THE KITCHEN, IT'S HUGE.
AND I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO BLAST, BECAUSE THAT WILL GIVE YOU A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER HEADACHES.
YOU KNOW, IF, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BLAST ANY, ANYTHING.
WE, WE, YEAH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL ASSESS IT TO SEE IF IT COULD BE MOVED, UM, MAYBE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON SITE.
UM, WE HAVE A FEW MORE THINGS ON OUR AGENDA.
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WILL YOU CRAFT A LETTER THAT WE COULD ALL LOOK AT AND SEE IF IT'S AGREEABLE? YEAH, I THINK I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU ON PUTTING TOGETHER A DRAFT.THE GENTLEMAN WHO'S BEEN WAITING IS 74.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO, WE SHOULD JUMP TO THAT.
DO YOU WANNA JUMP TO 74 ARDSLEY ROAD, SINCE WE HAVE, IT'S ALREADY EIGHT 30, THE GENTLEMAN ON.
SO, UM, IF WE COULD DO THAT, AND THEN WE'LL DO, UH, THE BETHEL LETTER AND, AND RESOLUTION AT THE END.
BASICALLY, CARL, DO YOU WANNA YOUR LEAD ON THIS ONE BECAUSE YOU'VE SEEN IT? UM, OKAY.
UM, AND, UH, AARON WAS WITH ME.
MR. SCHMIDT WAS WITH ME, SO I'D LOVE FOR HIM TO CHIME IN AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE PHOTOS, I'M GONNA SEE IF I CAN AVAILABLE MM-HMM
BECAUSE MAYBE WHEN I REFERENCE THINGS, IF, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO CALL 'EM UP, IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING.
SO, UM, SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE WE KNOW THE ACTUAL AGE OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S EITHER LATE 19TH CENTURY OR EARLY 20TH, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH KIND OF, UH, WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME.
AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I SAW IT ONLY YESTERDAY.
I HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO DISCUSS THIS WITH ANYONE OR TO, TO, UM, THINK ABOUT IT VERY DEEPLY.
BUT IT'S, IT'S A RATHER CHARMING SMALL HORSE BARN.
IT'S MADE OF WHAT I BELIEVE IS RED CEDAR SHINGLES.
RED CEDAR, BECAUSE OF THE TANNINS IN IT, WILL OXIDIZE TO BLACK, WHICH IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS.
SO THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY MOLD, BUT IT'S POSSIBLY THE OXIDATION OF RED CEDAR AS OPPOSED TO WHITE CEDAR, WHICH OXIDIZES TO SILVER, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE MOST USED TO.
ARE YOU SEEING THE PHOTOS ON? YES.
IT'S ON A STONE FIELDSTONE FOUNDATION.
AND, UH, IT, IT HAS A MAIN STORY WITH A RATHER TALL, UH, UH, CEILING, UH, ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND THE UPPER FLOOR, THE HAY LOFT IS, UH, HAS A PRETTY STEEP, UM, WHAT'S KNOWN AS AN OPEN, UH, GABLE ROOF.
AND, UM, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS, UM, IS, UH, UH, A, A FAIRLY TYPICAL, WHAT'S KNOWN AS AN ENGLISH STYLE BARN, SOMETIMES A COLONIAL BARN, SO THAT THE ROOF IS REALLY QUITE STEEP TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRECIPITATION FALLING DOWN QUICKLY AND NOT STAYING UP THERE.
UM, THE FACADE, WHICH IS THE, THE SOUTH FACING, UH, ELEVATION, AND THERE ARE, THERE ARE IMAGES OF THE, IT'S PRETTY GOOD.
SO THE FACADE REMINDED, I THINK MR. SCHMIDT AND, AND ME OF IMMEDIATELY WE THOUGHT OF AMSTERDAM AND THE, THE KIND OF HOIST SYSTEM THEY HAVE UP THERE.
BUT IT ALSO REMINDED, REMINDED ME OF THE, OF THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE BARN IN, UH, THE ROOSEVELT THAT STAYED IN HYDE PARK.
YOU, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IN THE PHOTOS THAT WE HAVE THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US, NOT THESE PHOTOS OF THE, THE ONES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE HOIST SYSTEM BECAUSE THE TREE IS, IS COVERING THE IMAGE OF THE SOUTH FACE.
BUT THOSE TWO DOORS UP THERE REALLY GIVE IT CHARACTER.
AND THEN THERE'S A BEAM THAT COMES OUT FROM ABOVE IT, AS THERE WOULD BE IN ANY TYPICAL AMSTERDAM RIGHT THERE.
WE CAN SEE IT IN OUR PHOTO, BUT NOT IN THE PHOTOS THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE THERE'S A, AGAIN, SO, UM, THAT IS ACTUALLY QUITE CHARMING.
AND, UM, THE MAIN DOOR TO GET INTO THE GARAGE IS ALMOST ASSUREDLY NOT THE TYPES OF DOORS THAT WE HAD BEFORE.
I, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THERE WOULD'VE BEEN TWO DOUBLE BARN DOORS THAT WOULD'VE OPENED OUT.
NOT SOMETHING THAT ROLLS UP LIKE THERE IS NOW.
THIS IS A RELATIVELY, I MEAN, IT'S IN POOR CONDITION.
IT'S A RELATIVELY OLD GARAGE DOOR THAT THAT ROLLS UP.
SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONAL.
IT'S FUNCTIONAL, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S NOT WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THERE ORIGINALLY.
OR, SO IF, IF YOU GO AROUND THE HOUSE, YOU'LL SEE, UH, A SERIES OF THREE WINDOWS ON EACH SIDE, AND THEN THE, THE NORTH, UH, ELEVATION HAS A WINDOW AT THE VERY TOP.
AND THEN WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN A DOOR, UH, AT THE BACK FOR WHERE THE, AND THE PROPOSAL IS DORMERS AND THE PROPOSAL, WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THAT.
SO, UM, THE INTERIOR, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT IS, UH, HAS A VERY, UH,
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A DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH WOODEN FLOOR.IT'S IN VERY ROUGH SHAPE, BUT IT'S PRETTY INTACT, AND IT LOOKS PRETTY INTERESTING.
AT THE BACK OF THE FRONT, UH, I MEAN, OF THE, UH, BOTTOM FLOOR IS TO THE RIGHT ATTACK ROOM WHERE YOU WOULD'VE HAD THE EQUESTRIAN E EQUIPMENT.
AND AT THE VERY BACK ARE TWO STALLS, WHICH I FIND TO BE QUITE CHARMING WITH THE SLATTED FLOORS FOR WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE MUCKING WAS GOING ON THAT HAS THE, UM, THE, UH, CEDAR, I MEAN, SORRY, THE, UH, THE, PROBABLY BRASS, BUT CERTAINLY METAL RINGS.
AND THE METAL PLATES, UH, RIGHT THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THOSE.
YOU'VE GOT THE TROUGH THERE, WHICH, UH, I THINK WE WERE TOLD IT WAS METAL.
I COULDN'T TELL IF IT WAS STONE OR METAL.
IT'S, YEAH, I THINK IT'S IRON.
EACH OF THE STALLS, I BELIEVE HAS ONE.
UM, AND, UH, THERE ARE ALL THE, THE, UH, THE METAL, UM, UH, FRAMING AND ET ET CETERA, ANYTHING YOU MIGHT'VE EXPECTED.
THE DOOR TO THE STALLS ITSELF IS A POCKET DOOR.
SO IT SLIDES TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT.
CAN YOU SCROLL UP? JUST TWO IMAGES? AND THERE'S ALSO, THERE THE CORE BOWLS.
YOU SEE THOSE BRACKETS THAT ARE VERY, VERY HANDSOME HOLDING UP WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE ORIGINAL CHIMNEY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS, YOU KNOW, NOT WITHIN COMPLIANCE.
IT'S, THAT'S NOT REALLY A, A FIRE HAZARD TO HAVE.
A CHIMNEY HELD UP BY SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S STILL THERE TO THE, AS YOU'RE FACING THE INTERIOR TO THE LEFT, UH, THERE IS, UM, THERE, YEAH, THERE AS WELL AS THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF WATER DAMAGE UP THERE IN THE CEILING, BUT YOU WOULD, YOU SEE THE, UH, KIND OF BEADBOARD ALL AROUND, WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING.
TO THE FAR LEFT OF THE ENTRANCE AS YOU'RE FACING.
THERE'S A SMALL STAIRCASE THAT GOES UP TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
AND THE SECOND FLOOR IS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS A PRETTY STEEP GABLE, UH, ROOF.
SO WHILE THERE'S QUITE A LOT OF HEIGHT TOWARD THE CENTER, AS YOU GO OUT TO EACH OF THE EDGES, THE HEIGHT DIMINISHES.
SO YOU REALLY CAN'T REALLY STAND UP STRAIGHT IF YOU'RE GOING OUT TO THE, TO THE RIGHT, IF YOU GO TO TOWARD THE SOUTH FACADE OR, OR SOUTH ELEVATION, MEANING THE, THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET US THERE, AARON, THAT'S INTO THIS ROOM.
IS THAT THE BACK? THAT'S THE BACK, YEAH.
SO IF YOU GO TO THE SOUTH, CAN YOU GO TO THE SOUTH? YEAH.
THE SOUTH, THAT ROOM UP THERE AT ONE TIME, SOME PAINTED DIFFERENT, UH, OH, IN THE, IN THE MORE MODERN PERIOD.
UM, SO THOSE TWO DOORS ARE WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE VERY FRONT.
AT THE BOTTOM, THEY DON'T SEEM BOW, THEY DON'T SEEM LIKE THEY DROPPED.
AND THE HARDWARE FITS PERFECTLY THE WAY IT SHOULD.
SO WE'RE SURMISING THAT THERE'S A PIECE AT THE TOP THAT'S MISSING SOME KIND OF TRIM THAT MIGHT BE MISSING.
BUT, UM, AND CERTAINLY THE GLASS IS MISSING ON THOSE DOORS RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S PLEXI, THAT'S COVERING UP THOSE DOORS.
I MEAN, THE, THE WINDOWS, SOME OF THE GLASS REMAINS.
I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S ORIGINAL, BUT, UM, THE PANS CERTAINLY ARE.
UM, I FIND THOSE DOORS TO BE VERY CHARMING, VERY HANDSOME, EVOCATIVE.
THAT'S THE TWO DOORS FROM THE FRONT.
AND THEN THERE'S THE BEAM JUST ABOVE THOSE.
SO THAT'S VERY EVOCATIVE OF THE ORIGINS, THE, THE KIND OF, UM, YOU KNOW, BUCOLIC ORIGINS OF, OF THE TOWN, UM, AT, IF YOU SCROLL DOWN, ALSO THERE AT THE VERY TOP, YOU HAVE A CHUTE FOR SENDING THE HAY DOWN, UH, DIRECTLY TO WHERE THE HORSES ARE.
AND THERE'S OTHER TYPES OF REMNANTS OF WHAT MIGHT HAVE MUST HAVE BEEN PIPING OF SOME SORT.
WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS FOR, BUT THAT FEEDS INTO, YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THIS ANGLE FIT FITS INTO, YEAH, RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, UH, HOLE WHERE THERE MUST HAVE BEEN AN ELBOW SOMEHOW.
UM, FOR WHAT REASON? WE DON'T KNOW, UM, FITTING INTO THAT.
SO, SO THERE WERE, UH, JUST, JUST ADD SOME COLOR TO THAT.
THAT'S, THOSE ARE STRAIGHT SHAFTS THAT GO DOWN.
SO THAT EVEN THAT, EVEN THE SMALLER BOX GOES STRAIGHT DOWN.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A SERVICE GRAIN OR WATER OR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THAT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS FOR.
OH, YOU MEAN THE SQUARE HOLE IN THE GROUND COULD HAVE BEEN FOR WATER? MM-HMM
THAT ALSO GOES, YEAH, THAT GOES STRAIGHT DOWN AS WELL.
IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT ON THE SIDE OF THAT CHUTE, THERE'S A HOLE.
WE CAN'T SEE IT FROM THIS ANGLE.
THAT SEEMS TO BE, IF YOU HAD AN ELBOW, IT SEEMS TO HAVE GONE INTO THE, THE GROUND, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THERE IS SOME KIND OF HOLE THERE.
AND IF, IF YOU PAUSE THERE, THAT'S DOWN BACK DOWNSTAIRS, THAT'S WHERE THE POCKET DOOR IS, AND YOU SEE THE METAL, UM, ALL OF THE, UH, THE HARDWARE THAT, THAT, THAT'S STILL THERE.
UM, AND THE STA THE STABLES THEMSELVES, BOTH OF THEM ARE AT THE BO UH, ON
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THE BOTTOM LEVEL, ARE ACTUALLY IN QUITE GOOD, GOOD SHAPE.UM, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY QUITE INTERESTING.
SO THE, THE PROPOSAL, AS YOU MENTIONED, UH, THIS IS, UM, MS. CIO ARMENIA MENTIONED THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO ADD TWO DORMERS, ONE TO EACH SIDE, SUCH AS THE WEST EL WESTERN ELEVATION AND THE EASTERN ELEVATION.
AND THAT WOULD TRANSFORM THE LOOK OF THE BARN MORE TO LIKE A GAMBLE BARN.
WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE MM-HMM.
UH, THE, THE HISTORY OF, OF THE AREA.
BUT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR BEDROOMS TO BE CONSTRUCTED AT THE TOP.
AND IF WE WERE TO KEEP THOSE HA LOFT DOORS AND THE HOIST SYSTEM IN PLACE, OBVIOUSLY THE DOORS NEED TO BE REFINISHED OR REPLACED IN A COMPARABLE MANNER.
UH, I DO THINK THAT THE CHARM AND THE FUNCTION OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD REMAIN IF THE BEAM WERE TO BE REMOVED AND THOSE DOORS MADE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, THEN THE ENTIRE FACADE WOULD NOT GIVE OFF, YOU KNOW, HORSE BARN.
IT WOULD READ SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
IT WOULD SEEM TO BE SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, CABANA OR WHATEVER.
THE POINT, OBVIOUSLY IS TO MAKE THIS A CABANA, THERE'S A POOL IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE WHITE RIGHT FENCE, UM, RIGHT THERE.
THERE'S A POOL AND A HOT TUB OR TWO.
CAN YOU SEE, CAN YOU SEE THE BARN FROM THE, UM, THE POOL? NO, FROM THE, THE ROAD? NO, NO, NO.
SO THE ROAD IS QUITE STEEP, AND IT'S, UM, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, A TRENCH ON EACH, EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THERE, A ROCK, VERY STEEP ROCK THAT WAS CUT THROUGH MUST HAVE BEEN A HECK OF A LOT OF WORK TO CUT THROUGH THERE.
AND THE, AND GOING UP THAT ROAD IS, IS QUITE STEEP.
YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING AT ALL FROM THE ROAD.
I MEAN, IT'S SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET IN OFF THE ROAD.
YOU WOULDN'T, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW.
AND FROM THE ELEVATOR, IT'S ABOUT 500 TO 600 FEET FOR, FOR SOME FROM DISTANCE.
I THINK THE CLINTONS WERE LOOKING AT, THEY WERE, THE CLINTONS WERE LOOKING AT THAT.
SECRET SERVICE HAD NOWHERE TO PARK.
THEY WERE AFRAID TO COME BACK.
SO THEY, THEY WERE, FOR SOME ADDITIONAL COLOR, THEY WERE CONSIDERING USING THE BARN TO HOUSE SERVICE.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE, THE INTEREST IN THE HOUSE.
SO BEHIND, FROM BEHIND, I THINK WE WERE TOLD BY THE OWNER, THERE ARE THREE PROPERTIES THAT ABUT.
SO, UH, RIGHT NOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF DECIDUOUS TREES AND A COUPLE OF CONIFERS.
SO IN THE WINTER AND FALL, THE THREE HOUSES FROM BEHIND CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH, I BELIEVE.
AND IN THE, THE SPRING AND SUMMER, IT'S VERY HARD.
YOU, YOU CAN SEE, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO KIND OF GET A CLEAR VIEW OF, OF THE STRUCTURE MM-HMM
UH, AND FROM THE STREET, YOU CANNOT SEE IT AT ALL WHATSOEVER TO LEARN THAT THERE WAS A GREEN HOUSE OR JUST WAS HARD.
NO, THAT'S THE MAIN, THERE'S ALWAYS A HORSE BARN.
SO TO GIVE YOU SOME COLOR ON THE, ON THE MAIN HOUSE AND WHAT THE BARN PROBABLY WAS USED FOR.
SO JAMES, RIGHT, IS THE BEST CASE I CAN FIND FOR THE FIRST OWNER OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
AND THE HOUSE HAS BEEN MODIFIED OVER TIME, OVER THE LAST 125 YEARS.
UM, THE BEST EVIDENCE WE CAN FIND IS IN 1919 THAT THE BARN EXISTED.
UH, IT SHOWS UP IN A DRAWING WHEN THEY SUBDIVIDED THE PROPERTY BETWEEN, UM, OUR NEIGHBORS, UH, SARAH AND MARK AND, AND OUR PROPERTY.
UH, BUT THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE COULD FIND.
AND I THINK, AND ONE OF THE POINTS HE MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE, THE, THE ROLLING DOOR, MY GUT IS THAT THAT WAS ADDED IN 1948 WHEN THERE WAS A BIG EXPANSION TO THE HOUSE, UH, WHEN A GARAGE WAS ADDED IN A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT IF, IF THIS, UH, BOARD HAD BEEN THERE, THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED IT THE WAY IT HAPPENED.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT AGE AND GENERATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE HOUSE OVER TIME.
AND, AND THAT DOOR IS KIND OF PART OF IT.
AND SO IN MY DESIGN, I'M ACTUALLY PLANNING INSTEAD OF TRYING TO REVERT IT TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WHAT, IT COULD HAVE BEEN AN ORIGINAL, ONLY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE PHOTOS, I'M GONNA KEEP A GARAGE DOOR THERE, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE EVIDENCE TO WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER TIME WITH THE, UM, WITH THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN AS IT RELATES TO THE HOOK, UH, THE, THE HA LOFT HOOK, I ACTUALLY WAS CONSIDERING THAT I GREW UP IN THE COUNTRY, SO I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WAS AND WHAT IT'S USED FOR.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD IT IN THE DESIGN, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING I WAS TALKING BACK AND FORTH WITH, UH, WITH MY ARCHITECT.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS BOARD CARES ABOUT, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO KEEP IT.
UM, OH YEAH, THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, KEVIN.
IT IS FOR A PULLEY SYSTEM, IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY TYPICAL.
SO IF YOU HAVE A, A HAY, A HAY BALE, YOU BASICALLY THROW THE ROPE OVER THE HOOK, YOU CAN PULL IT OFF, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE INSIDE THAT HAS THE HOOK TO PULL IT IN.
AND THEN THEY PULL IT IN, DETACH IT, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE HAY.
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YEAH, EXACTLY.AND I, MY PLAN IS TO KEEP THOSE DOORS AS DOORS, EVEN IF I CAN'T WALK OUT WITH IT.
I TALKED TO THE ARCHITECT FOR SAFETY REASONS.
WE HAVE TO PUT MAYBE LIKE A, UM, LIKE A METAL GRADE OR SOMETHING.
UM, BUT I PLAN ON USING ACTUAL DOORS, SO IT'LL STILL HAVE THAT SAME LOOK.
UM, BUT EVERYTHING IS GONNA MATCH WITH KIND OF A, THE STYLE.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE, CALL IT QUOTE UNQUOTE MODERNISH ELEMENT, BUT IT'S GONNA LOOK THE SAME, BUT IN BLACK INSTEAD OF WHITE.
ONE MORE THING I DIDN'T SAY, WHICH IS A MAJOR ELEMENT, IS THAT THE ROOF IS CURRENTLY CORRUGATED SOME TYPE TYPE OF CORRUGATED STEEL.
UM, AND UH, CLEARLY THAT'S NOT WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THERE ORIGINALLY.
SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO AND WHAT COLOR, WHAT COLOR WILL YOU HAVE? HAVE THE EXTERIOR? I WANTED, I WANTED TO MATCH THE MAIN HOUSE.
UM, SO WHITE CLAPBOARD, UM, BLACK ROOF.
UM, IF, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDED GUTTERS, IT'S GONNA BE COPPER GUTTERS.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO MATCH THE MAIN, MAIN HOUSE AS MUCH AS I CAN FROM THE EXTERIOR PERSPECTIVE.
IT ALSO WILL MATCH THE NEIGHBORHOOD A LITTLE BIT BETTER AS WELL, THE HOUSES THAT ARE NEARBY.
AND THE GUTTERS YOU'RE CONSIDERING, ARE THEY THE STANDARD OR LIKE THE FRENCH GUTTERS, OR WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU CONSIDERING? WHICH STYLE? COPPER, I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE ON THE MAIN HOUSE.
THEY'RE FAIRLY FANCY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED.
I WOULD USE THE EXACT SAME ONES.
I MEAN, I MEAN, WE WERE, YEAH, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL COPPER.
I KNOW THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
MR. DES AND I FILE OR THE GUTTERS.
WERE YOU THINKING OF THE HALF MOON, WHICH ARE THE FRENCH GUTTERS OR LIKE THE KIND THAT HAVE ALMOST LIKE A, A GEOMETRIC SHAPE TO THEM? DO YOU KNOW? PROFILE, I THINK MATCH WHAT THE ONE ON THE MAIN HOUSE, I THINK IS A HALF MOON.
PAUL OR AARON? KEEP ME HONEST.
HAS ANYBODY EVER SEEN A WHITE BARN? THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN.
I JUST THOUGHT THERE ARE SEVERAL HOUSES, UM, AND I DON'T, WELL, I DO KNOW WHY I, I KNOW A FEW OF THEM.
ONE IS ON DRAW MORE, DOESN'T EXIST ANY LONGER, BUT THEY DID HAVE SMALL BARNS LIKE THAT SO THEY COULD RIDE TO SCARSDALE RAILROAD STATION WHERE THEY COULD STABLE THEIR HORSES, GO INTO NEW YORK AND COME BACK.
AND ON ALEY ROAD, ON FORD HILL ROAD, THERE WERE TWO, UM, THERE'S WAS ONE ON DRAW MORE ROAD, UM, F SCOTT FITZGERALD PUBLISHER LIVED THERE.
AND THERE'S A BOOK THAT SAYS HE RODE TO THE STATION EVERY MORNING, STABLED HIS HORSE, AND RODE HOME EVERY NIGHT AND PUT IT AWAY.
SO I'M THINKING THAT THIS, UM, SMALL BARN WAS USED FOR PROBABLY THE SAME PURPOSE.
UH, I, I, I DOUBT THAT IT WAS USED OUTSIDE OF PERSONAL USE FOR THE MAIN RESIDENT.
UH, JAMES WRIGHT WAS QUITE WEALTHY.
HE HAS A WHOLE, SORRY, JAMES BRIGHT.
HE HAS A WHOLE STREET AND SCARS ALL NAMED AFTER HIM.
HE WAS KNOWN FOR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING EXTREMELY WEALTHY MANSIONS FOR FOLKS.
UM, I HAD, I THINK I INCLUDED IN THE REPORT, I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH AS I WAS DIGGING INTO THIS GUY.
I, I COULDN'T FIND THE ARTICLE, BUT I READ IT IN, I WANNA SAY IT'S SCARSDALE, UH, PAPER WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE HORSE HAD APPARENTLY GONE LOOSE AND WAS RUNNING DOWN RYE ROAD AND THEY HAD SOME SORT OF ACCIDENT.
UM, SO IT WAS VERY MUCH USED FOR PERSONAL USE.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS USED FOR ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL OR, OR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYONE ELSE'S USE.
I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD'VE ALLOWED IT FOR THEIR GIVEN KIND OF THEIR STATUS.
BUT IT'S MAINLY GONNA BE A POOL HOUSE.
BUT YOU'RE, YOU WERE THINKING OF ADDING I'M, I AM PLANNING ON RETAINING AS MANY ELEMENTS FROM INSIDE IT THAT I CAN.
SO THE, THE WOOD THAT'S IN THE STABLES, I PLAN ON REUSING THROUGHOUT, UH, WHETHER IT'S ENCOUNTERS OR, OR IN TABLES OR WHEREVER I CAN.
UM, THERE'S THE, UH, THE ACTUAL WOOD FLOORING ITSELF.
I'M PLANNING ON RETAINING AS MUCH AS I CAN.
THERE WAS SOME DAMAGE TO ONE CORNER OF IT.
UM, I HAD TO PUT SOME TEMPORARY LUMBER IN ORDER TO JUST KEEP IT FROM HAVING A GIANT HOLE IN IT.
UM, BUT I'M PLANNING ON REPLACING THAT AND EITHER USING WOOD FROM OTHER PARTS OF IT, MAYBE THE SLOTTED PARTS.
BUT I, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO RETAIN THE EXISTING FLOOR.
UM, PART OF THIS HAS BEEN AN EX
I'VE LOOKED, YOU KNOW, I WENT THROUGH A NUMBER OF CONTRACTORS WHO KEPT TRYING TO TELL ME THAT I NEED TO JUST TEAR THIS DOWN.
UM, AND SO I DID FIND, UM, AND I'M BASICALLY GONNA BE ALMOST RUNNING THIS MYSELF, JUST 'CAUSE I NEEDED TO FIND THE RIGHT COMBINATION OF PEOPLE THAT KIND OF HAD THE VISION TO TRY TO KEEP THIS STANDING.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, PAUL AND AARON,
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WHEN THEY CAME OVER, I THINK THEY SAW SOME OF THE DAMAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THE BUILDING.THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW, DRY ROT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ON THE EDGE NEAR WHERE THE FOUNDATIONS ARE THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF AS SOON AS WE CAN.
AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF PUSHED THE IMPETUS FOR ME TO TRY TO GET THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, OFF THE GROUND.
IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE AND YOU COULD FIND MARTHA STEWART STABLES IN BEDFORD, SHE WILL SHOW YOU WHAT SHE DID WITH HER STABLES, THAT SHE NOW HAS THANKSGIVING DINNER IN THERE.
IT'S IMPECCABLE THE COLOR SHE CHOSE.
KEEPING THE STABLES, KEEPING THE IRON ELEMENTS.
IF YOU COULD GET YOUR HANDS ON THAT VIDEO, CAN YOU KEEP THE, I'LL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK.
CAN YOU KEEP THE STALLS FOR EITHER CLOSETS OR, UM, A WORKS, UH, YOU KNOW, A AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING JUST TO RETAIN SOME AUTHENTICITY? I CAN KEEP ONE OF THE STABLES, UM, WITHIN THE DESIGN I HAVE, I WAS DEBATING WHETHER OR NOT TO ACTUALLY KEEP IT AS A STABLE.
'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THERE WAS THAT ROOM.
I WAS GOING TO JUST KEEP IT EFFECTIVELY AS A ROOM WHERE THAT STABLE ON THE SOUTHWEST IS.
UM, SO THAT COULD EASILY STAY AS A STABLE.
UM, I COULD KEEP THE WALL PIECES ON THE WALL AND TRY TO RECOVER IT.
THE ONLY THING IS SOME OF THAT PANELING HAS NOT DONE WELL OVER TIME.
UM, ACTUALLY A LOT OF THE THINNER WOOD HAS NOT DONE WELL OVER TIME.
SO THE POCKET DOOR, FOR INSTANCE, IS NOT A SOLID PIECE OF WOOD.
UM, IT'S TWO THIN PIECES OF WOOD, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK AS GOOD.
HOWEVER, THE STABLE SIDING ACTUALLY LOOKS QUITE GOOD, WHICH IS WHY I'M TRYING TO REUSE IT WHEREVER I CAN THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, AGAIN, TO KEEP, UH, WITHIN THE UNIT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF THE HISTORY OF THE BARN THERE TOGETHER.
UM, SO THAT IS SOMETHING I, I MIGHT DO.
UM, BUT THAT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN, I AM EFFECTIVELY KEEPING THE STABLES WHERE THEY ARE.
UH, ONE IS GONNA BECOME A BATHROOM, ONE WOULD BECOME A, A ROOM.
I'M TRYING, I'M TRYING MY BEST.
ERIN, DARREN, DO WE HAVE, FEEL FREE TO SEND PAPER ON THIS.
SO DID YOU GET IT IN THE MAIL? I'M GONNA STOP THE SHARE.
YEAH, WE, WE DO HAVE THE SUBMISSION.
AND I, I BELIEVE I EMAILED, DID YOU GET IT BY MAIL? THIS, UH, 74 LEY.
UM, MADELINE, IF YOU DID NOT GET IT, LET KNOW.
I'M JUST LOOKING FOR PICTURES.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS, UM, SOME OF MY PICTURES WERE STILL SIDEWAYS.
I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REORIENT THEM.
UM, SO I HAVE ABOUT 50 PHOTOS THAT I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH, UM, WHILE I WAS SHARING SCREEN, AND WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE PERMITTED TO GET THOSE PHOTOS.
SO I'M GONNA PUT THOSE TOGETHER AND TRANSMIT THEM TO THE ENTIRE BOARD OKAY.
AND HAVE THEM PART AS OF OUR RECORDS.
AND I WANNA THANK THE, THE OWNERS YES.
FOR ALLOWING US TO GREAT PRESENTATION.
HAVE SUCH A THOROUGH LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, WE WENT UPSTAIRS AND IN, IN EVERY NO CRANNY.
WE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION WHILE OUT THERE.
IT, IT WAS CERTAINLY APPRECIATED.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO HOST YOU GUYS.
I I AM, I AM QUITE INTERESTED IN THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY MYSELF.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE DESIGN, I'M TRYING MY BEST TO KEEP IT AND MAKE IT VERY USABLE.
UM, I DEFINITELY WILL LOOK AT THAT VIDEO.
YOU RECOMMEND IT TO SEE IF I CAN GET SOME MORE IDEAS.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT IS, THAT IS THE PLAN.
IF I, IF I DIDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE THE DORMS, I WOULDN'T HAVE, BUT I, I HAVE TO IN ORDER TO KEEP ACCESS TO THE LOFT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, IF THAT ALREADY CAME ACROSS IN LIST.
I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE, UH, RIGHT.
FROM A BUILDING CODE COMPLIANCE STANDPOINT, THE CURRENT STAIRWELL AND LANDING ARE, ARE NOT COMPLIANT.
SO THEY NEED SPACE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BECOME COMPLIANT.
SO THAT, THAT WAS DISCUSSED WHILE WE WERE OUT THERE.
AND, UH, DON'T FLY ON THE VIDEO, JUST CONTACT MARTHA STEWART DIRECTLY.
AND I'M SURE, I'M SURE I HAVE HER NUMBER.
ALL RIGHT, ERIN, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'LL WRITE THE APPROPRIATE LETTER AND KEEP US OUT OF TROUBLE.
SO SEVERAL THINGS, JUST SORRY TO BUTTON THIS UP.
SEVERAL THINGS WERE DISCUSSED MM-HMM
UM, WILL THAT BE DETAILED IN LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, KEEPING THE BEAM AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE HOOK AND ALL OF THE HOPES AND LEAVING IT AS IT'S SHOWN RIGHT.
THE THING IS BECAUSE THEY'RE DOORS AND THE CODE MIGHT REQUIRE THEM TO STOP PUTTING GATES IN, JUST LOCK THEM, YOU KNOW, JUST,
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THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.IT LOOKS LIKE ALMOST A JULIET BALCONY THAT HE WAS GONNA PUT, BUT YEAH, BUT NO, I WAS THINKING OF THAT TO PUT A JULIET BAL.
YEAH, THAT'S NOT, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
DO BARN HAVE JULIET BALCONIES? NO, NO, EXACTLY.
NO, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT DOESN'T, THEY DON'T, I THINK WHAT SAY WAS THE, THE BARN COULD NOT BE A WHITE COLOR.
DON'T, DON'T TRY TO MATCH WITH THE MAIN SURE.
I, I, I THINK, I THINK, I THINK ELSE CAN DO IT, BUT DON'T MAKE IT A WHITE, RIGHT.
SO BARN ARE RED OR BARN ARE NA OR I DON'T KNOW, NATURAL COLOR.
SO I'M GONNA ASK, UM, MR. LIEBERMAN FOR SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT.
SO THE GENTLEMAN'S NOT NO LONGER ON THE, ON THE CALL.
UM, I THINK, BUT I'LL LEAN ON COUNSEL, THAT THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE A STRONG RECOMMENDATION OF THE BOARD TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE COLOR SIMILAR TO WHAT EXISTS.
BUT IN TERMS OF A CONDITION OF THIS MOVING PAST THE BOARD, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT CAN BE DONE.
I WOULD, I UNFORTUNATELY AGREE WITH YOU, AND I'M STILL NOT A FAN OF DORMER WINDOWS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
UM, CAN WE GO ON TO BETH BETH EL KNOWLES? YES.
SO I'M GONNA, IF I MAY GO AHEAD.
UM, SO THERE WAS A VERY, UM, WELL WRITTEN LETTER, THANK YOU CHAIR BRUCE AND OSHA THAT WAS TRANSMITTED TO ALL BOARD MEMBERS.
IT WAS REVIEWED BY BOTH MYSELF AND MR. LIEBERMAN.
IN THE DRAFT YOU HAVE THAT I PUT DOWN THIS EVENING, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WERE TWO, TWO TO THREE SLIGHT SUGGESTED REVISIONS JUST IN VERBIAGE LANGUAGE.
UM, RATHER THAN, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE, THEY'RE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
UM, SO IN PARENTHESES OF THE OLD TO STERN.
SO, UM, IF THE BOARD'S COMFORTABLE WITH THIS LETTER, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A VOTE TAKEN TO TRANSMIT, UM, THE LETTER DRAFTED WITH A DATE OF MAY 12TH, 2026 TO FRANCIS M STERN AT NEW YORK STATE BY STAFF ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
ANY, SO STAFF WILL AND STAFF WILL TAKE CARE OF.
I, BUT I, I CAN SHARE MY REASONS IF YOU WANT, BUT I'M HAPPY.
UH, I THINK, WELL, THE VOTE ISN'T REQUIRED, SO IF HE WANTS TO KEEP HIM TO HIMSELF OR TO, TO SHARE, I JUST, I MEAN, I, I BELIEVE THE ENTIRE, UM, RUST OF THE TWO ANALYSES WAS OBFUSCATED.
AND I, I THINK THAT WE ARE REQUESTING THAT, THAT BE SHOWN THAT THAT BE RIGHT.
UM, WOULDN'T, AND SO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE WAS BASICALLY, PLEASE DO THIS AS OPPOSED TO MIGHT YOU CONSIDER
SO, SO THIS LETTER IS TO THE STATE AND, AND, AND THE RESOLUTION THAT, THAT THE BOARD'S GONNA CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, MOMENTARILY IS WHAT'S GOING TO THE TOWN BOARD.
TWO DIFFERENT, YEAH, THEY'RE KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, MADELINE, IF YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THE LETTER BRIEFLY YEAH, PLEASE.
UM, WELL, I'LL JUST, I CAN RECITE IT.
IT'S JUST THAT THERE WERE TWO ANALYSIS OR ANALYSIS AND SHE ONLY REFERENCED ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
COULD YOU ACTUALLY PASS A RESOLUTION WITHOUT GETTING A RESPONSE FROM HER? WELL, YOU CAN, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE RESOLUTION IS, BUT, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT MOMENTARILY.
UH, AND I EITHER GAVE UP MY COPY OF THE RESO.
DO YOU HAVE AN EXTRA ADD ON THIS ONE? YEP.
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UH, WHICH WAS DRAFTED AHEAD OF THE LAST MEETING, IT HASN'T REALLY CHANGED, UH, SLIDE ASIDE FROM SOME SLIGHT, UH, ADJUSTMENTS BY MR. LIEBERMAN, UH, STATES RESOLVED THAT THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD, THE BOARD RECOMMENDS TO THE TOWN BOARD THAT IT REQUIRE THE BETHEL KNOWLES PROJECT APPLICANT TO DEVISE A PLAN THAT PRESERVES AND INCORPORATES THE EXISTING 1870S ITALIANATE STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 55 GRASSLANDS ROAD, PO VALHALLA.I'LL ADD THAT, WHICH CURRENTLY IS SLATED FOR DEMOLITION INTO A REVISED PROPOSAL FOR EXPANSION OF ITS FACILITIES ON THE SUBJECT SITE.
SO I, I DO THINK THAT'S DISTINCT AND SEPARATE FROM THE LETTER TO THE STATE, I WOULD ALSO YES, ADVISE THIS BOARD THAT.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BETHEL KNOWLES PROJECT WILL BE SCHEDULED, OR HAS BEEN SCHEDULED, I BELIEVE WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE TOWN BOARD ON JUNE 10TH.
THIS BOARD, MEANING THE HISTORIC BOARD DOESN'T MEET AGAIN BEFORE JUNE 10TH.
SO STAFF'S ADVICE WOULD BE TO, WE MOVE FORWARD MEETING JUNE 9TH.
WHAT DID I, WHAT DID I MISS? PARDON ME.
I, I THINK I, I, SO WHILE THIS BOARD IS MEETING THE DAY BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD JUNE 10TH, PUBLIC HEARING, I THINK GETTING THE RESOLUTION NOW, WELL IN ADVANCE OF THAT HEARING.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RESOLUTION IS AS WELL AS THE TOWN BOARD.
SO I JUST RECITED THE, THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
AARON, DO YOU HAVE TO SAY THE INTERIOR AND THE EXTERIOR, OR IS IT IT'S NOT IN THERE, ED.
SO YOU MEAN YOU WANT IT IN THERE OR YOU DON'T WANT IT IN THERE? I DON'T, I, I, I DON'T WANT THEM TO TAKE THREE MARBLES, UH, FIREPLACES AND PITCH THEM INTO A LANDFILL.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO SAVE THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE, I'D LIKE TO SAVE SOME OF THE FLOORBOARDS AND SOME OF THE, UH, FIREPLACES.
WELL, WHAT IT SAYS, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF BROAD IN THAT IT JUST SAYS PRESERVES AND INCORPORATES THE EXISTING 1870S ITALIAN AGE STRUCTURE, THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE.
IT, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN PERFECT.
GOTTA KEEP EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE STRUCTURE.
SO IF THE BOARD'S SUPPORTIVE OF THE RESOLUTION, I THINK WE WOULD, YOU WOULD CALL FOR A MOTION A SECOND AND A, AND A VOTE TO TRANSMIT AS AMENDED.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION AS AMENDED? TO ADOPT RESOLUTION.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE AMENDMENT? I, I, I, I, UH, THE PO OVAL.
HOW DOES THE PO OVAL? HOW, BUT NOT TO ADD THE APPOINTMENTS OR ANYTHING INSIDE? NO.
SO MOVED MS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND PLEASE? I'LL SECOND.
OH, THERE'S STILL DESTRUCTION.
UH, CONSTRUCION THERE, IT'S PROPOSED.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? NO, THERE WAS JUST A, THERE WAS JUST A QUESTION.
SORRY IF IT DIDN'T COME ACROSS FROM ANNETTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS CURRENTLY PROPOSED FOR DEMOLITION AND, AND IT IS.
MAY I HAVE A I'LL CALL A VOTE THEN, PLEASE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RESOLUTION.
SO STAFF WILL TRANSMIT THIS RESOLUTION TO THE TOWN BOARD COURTESY COPYING THE APPLICANT AND TRANSMIT THE LETTER TO FRANCIS M STERN AT NEW YORK STATE.
THIS IS A POOR MAN'S, UH, NOMINATION BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS PRESERVE IT AND PREVENT DEMOLITION, BUT YOU'RE NOT DOING IT YOURSELF, WHICH YOU ORDINARILY WOULD BY NOMINATING IT FOR LANDMARK STATUS.
YOU'RE ASKING, IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THERE'S AN APPLICATION BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD YEAH.
AND YOU'RE ASKING THE TOWN BOARD NOW YOU SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT TO DO IN THE EVENT THAT THE TOWN BOARD DOESN'T DO THAT.
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WELL, RIGHT.AND THIS BOARD'S REVIEWED THIS PROJECT FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IN THE ALTERNATIVES ANALYSIS CONDUCTED BY THE APPLICANT, THEY DID NOT, UM, COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT INCORPORATES SO NO, THEY DIDN'T.
SO THAT THAT ALTERNATIVE WAS NOT PREPARED OR PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND THIS, THIS BOARD HAS CONSISTENTLY SPOKEN ABOUT THAT AND REQUESTED THAT IT, IT STILL HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED, BUT I COULD HAVE SWORN ONE OF THE PLANS, THEY PUT IT ON A SLOPE.
THEY DID THE REST OF, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE HOUSE STILL STOOD RIGHT THERE.
I BELIEVE THERE WAS, THERE WAS A PLAN THAT WOULD HAVE REDUCED A COUPLE OF UNITS MM-HMM
AND THEN THEY SAID IT WOULD COST THEM ABOUT 5 MILLION.
THIS IS, THIS IS TECHNICALLY AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE.
WELL, AS SOMEONE WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE APPLICATION PER SE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY INCORPORATE? UH, THEY, THEY TAKE, THERE'S A STRUCTURE THERE NOW.
WHICH YOU WANT TO PRESERVE, KIND OF WHAT ARE THEY PROPOSING TO DO? TAKE THE HOUSE DOWN.
THEY COULD TAKE IT DOWN TO DEMOLISH.
WHEN YOU SAY INCORPORATE, YOU MEAN THEY COULD BUILD AROUND IT OR THEY COULD BUILD SEPARATE FROM IT.
THEY COULD BUILD UP THE BACK AND, AND REUSE AND STILL KEEP MM-HMM
YOU WANT THAT FRONT FACE AND THE KIND OF BUILD AROUND IT, BUT NOT IN FRONT EITHER RELOCATION, WHICH THEY SHUT DOWN.
BUT THEY CAN BUILD IN THE BACK, THEY CAN BUILD ON THE SIDES.
JUST KEEP THAT MAIN PORTION, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT EXISTS.
THEY COULD PUT AN ELEVATOR, THEY CAN PUT THE ELEVATOR IN TO GO UP THE STAIRS.
WELL, IF THEY, WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THEY BUILT SOMETHING ONTO THAT STRUCTURE YES.
TO THE SIDE OR THE REAR OR THE FRONT.
WHAT WILL THE, OR WHATEVER THEY BUILD ALONGSIDE IT, WHAT WILL THAT DO TO THE STRUCTURE, THE ARCHITECTURAL VALUE OF THE STRUCTURE? IT, IT'LL, IT'LL KEEP THE, THE IMPORTANT PART OF THE HISTORY AND THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS WOULD OKAY.
THIS BOARD FEELS STRONGLY THAT IT CAN BE DONE.
AND THEY HAVE, SO LONG AS EVERYONE IS CLEAR ON WHAT YOU MEAN BY INCORPORATE THE VERY
LOOK, IF THEY EVER CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA THAT RATHER THAN TAKE IT DOWN, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A NURSING HOME AROUND IT LIKE THAT.
THESE POOR PEOPLE WHO ARE RIGHT HERE THAT HAVE BEEN AT EVERY MEETING, THEY'RE STILL GONNA LOOK AT THAT TRUCK AND THESE PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA LOOK DOWN ON THEIR PATIO FROM THAT.
SO DON'T THINK THEY WON'T COME UP WITH JUST THAT LITTLE CARVE OUT IF WE INSIST ON IT.
OH, YOU MEAN SETBACK OR JUST NO, LITERALLY OVER IT.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT NOT PLANNING FOR, THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO, TO MAKE IT A FUNCTIONAL WORK BECAUSE THE WHOLE BUILDING IS STEPPED.
SO THE WAY IT WORKS ONLY, UH, THE WAY THEY HAVE SHOWN.
SO I THINK WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS TO EITHER HOLLOW IT UP, REUSE IT IF THIS FACADE, WHICH IS SORT OF, UH, STATE WITHOUT MUCH OF THE, UM, RESERVATION.
SO IT'S PRETTY PER PRETTY SOLIDLY BUILT.
IT HAS A, UH, IT HAS AGED AND IT HAS PROBLEM.
BUT DEFINITELY COULD BE, UH, COULD BE PART OF THE, THEIR, THEIR BUILDING THAT THEY WANT TO DO IT.
I DON'T THINK THEY CAN EVER DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO DO IT.
AND THEY'RE USING IT MORE LIKE STORAGE NOW.
THERE'S NO ELEVATED, IT'S NOT A VA COMPLIANT WHEELCHAIRS THEY'RE USING.
BUT I, THEY DID THIS AT THE OSBORN.
AND I THINK ALSO IF YOU GO OVER TO THE, UH, SLEEPY HALL RESTORATIONS, THEY'VE ADDED ON, UH, TO THE BACKS OF THESE, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS FOR, UH, EXHIBITS AND ENTERTAINMENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THERE, THERE IS MANY WAY TO GET, GET OCEAN THAT IS REALLY THE MOST ATTRACTIVE AND MOST IMPORTANT.
I I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE SO MUCH RESISTING WITH DOING,
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GIVING THEM A LOT OF LEEWAY TO USE.IT WON'T COST THEM THAT MUCH MONEY.
AND THEY WOULD BE ADDED NICE FEATURE TO THE WHOLE FACILITY RATHER THAN LOOKING AT INSTITUTION.
WE FIGURE IF THEY LOSE THE TWO, THE TWO BUILDINGS, THE TWO FEW UNITS WITH THE SECOND ONE THAT YEAH.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S $20,000.
AND THEN MY SISTER'S IN AN ASSISTED LIVING.
SHE'S PAYING MORE THAN THAT IN THE CITY.
WELL, EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO WAS UP TO 12.
BUT IN THE SCHEME OF THE THINGS, I MEAN, THEY, THEY ARE NONPROFIT.
WE HAVE THREE MORE THINGS TO DISCUSS.
SO I TOOK SOME OF THE, THE ONLY OTHER ITEM I SEE ON THE FINAL AGENDA FOLLOWING OUR DISCUSSION WAS STONE WALLS.
WE TOOK, WE TOOK PARKWAY HOMES AND PARKWAY GARDENS OFF.
I JUST WANT TO SAY, UM, AS WE HOPEFULLY WILL NOT BE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ISN'T SEEING NECESSARILY FIRST.
SO THAT ONE OF THE FIRST REVISIONS TO OUR PACKET SHOULD BE A REQUEST THAT A, AN ORIGINAL BUILT DATE BEYOND EVERY SINGLE APPLICATION.
WHETHER IT'S ONLY TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING BOARD, ZONING BOARD, US.
AND SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE REVISIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH.
AND THEN WE WON'T MEET A 95 ARDSLEY ROAD OR A 74 ARDSLEY ROAD.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO THE APPLICANTS THAT WE GET IT AFTER ALL THE PLANS HAVE BEEN MADE.
BECAUSE IF THERE WOULD'VE, IF THEY WOULD'VE AGREED TO SAY CHANGING SOMETHING, THEY'D HAVE TO GET NEW ARCHITECTURAL PLANS AND THAT COSTS MONEY.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE I WOULD START FIRST.
I DID ASK THIS, UM, THE TOWN CLERK, IF WE COULD HAVE AN INTERN THIS SUMMER.
UM, AND THAT I WOULD MENTOR THIS PERSON, UM, ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE A TEACHING LICENSE.
IF ANY OF YOU WANNA DO IT, GO AHEAD.
UM, I'M GOING AROUND THE WALLS OF GREENBERG AND TRYING TO GET THE HISTORY, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
SHE'D LIKE TO COME TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND I SAID SHE WAS MORE THAN WELCOME, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE HER A TWEAK AND SEE, YOU KNOW, SQUEAK THE WILL.
I, I HEARD SOMETHING WHERE THEY WERE JUST STARTING UP THE INTERNSHIPS FOR THE SUMMER.
DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING OUT OF THE TOWN BOARD TILL AFTER JUNE.
WELL, TOWN CLERK, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE TOWN CLERK.
1 0 5 OLD ARMY ROAD, THE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WANT THE SECOND GARAGE THAT'S GONNA BE FOR THE OWNER.
'CAUSE HE LIKES TO TINKER WITH CARS.
HAVE WE SENT A LETTER OUT YET? AARON? I'LL HAVE TO CHECK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
WELL, IF WE HAVEN'T, COULD WE JUST MAKE SURE THAT NO OTHER BOARD CAROL HAD A LOVELY SENTENCE, THAT WE HAVE NO INFLUENCE OR WE DON'T TRY TO WHATEVER, ANY OTHER OF THE TOWN BOARDS.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT LANGUAGE AND I WOULD, UM, LIKE TO BE HELD HARMLESS, UM, IN CASE SOMEBODY CHANGES THEIR MINDS ABOUT, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE IN, UH, CODE COMPLIANCE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO COME BEFORE US? JUST, JUST, I JUST WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK 'CAUSE WE NEVER REALLY GOT AN ANSWER.
YOU FOCUSED, FOR ME AT LEAST SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT STRUCTURE, THE GRASSLANDS WITHOUT REALLY DESIGNATING IT.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMEONE ELSE TO PRESERVE IT FOR US.
SO WE NEVER REALLY DISCUSSED THAT.
DO WE NOW HAVE DIFFERENT PLANS, PERHAPS A DIFFERENT APPROACH THAT MIGHT BE HAVE MORE TO, WELL, YOU SAID THE WORD INCORPORATE KIND OF,
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YOU KNOW, DICTATES WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO.UM, IT DOES INCORPORATE MEAN BUILD IT AS PART OF THE NEW STRUCTURE AND IT'S STILL GONNA PUT A BUILDING UP.
IT'S GONNA BE WELL, PRETTY UGLY.
I I THINK ONE SUGGESTION MAY BE IF THE BOARD, WELL, IF THE BOARD HAS A DESIGNEE OR SOMEONE INTERESTED AND OR AVAILABLE TO ATTEND THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON THE THIRD I ON THE 10TH, AND I'LL BE, I SHOULD BE HOME, AARON, HOPEFULLY.
AND IF I CAN GET A RIDE, MAKE REFERENCE TO THE RESOLUTION.
AND THERE COULD BE A QUESTION ABOUT, WELL, WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN BY INCORPORATE? WELL, WE KNOW THAT THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT THE BOARD SETTLED ON THIS EVENING AND IT CAN BE ELABORATED ON, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF IT WERE ME AT THE HEARING, SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, APPLICANT, WHAT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED IN THE THREE WEEKS SINCE THE RESOLUTION WAS ADOPTED AND TRANSMITTED TO YOU? LET'S, YOU KNOW, HEAR FROM THEM.
THEREFORE, WHY DON'T WE CHANGE THE WORD FROM INCORPORATE TO PRESERVE THE STRUCTURE.
IT SAYS PRESERVE, IT SAYS PRESERVED.
I IT'S REALLY INCORPORATED INTO YOUR REVISED PLANS.
YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THE STRUCTURE.
THAT'S WHAT, BUT THEY HAVEN'T REVISED THEIR PLANS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THEY'VE MADE.
WELL, LIKE I SAID, THEY DID IT ONCE, MADELINE, THEY SHOWED THE HOUSE BY ITSELF AND, AND THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT TAKING AN ANGLED VIEW.
THEY DID DO IT ONCE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT DISAPPEARED.
THEY DON'T WANT TO, WE NEVER SAW IT AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T COST EFFECTIVE OR RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SO IT'S SCRAPED WASN'T A VIABLE, IT WAS AN ALTERNATIVE SHOWN ON PAPER, I BELIEVE, BUT NOT A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE TO MEET THEIR NEEDS OR MONEY THAT GEMAN IS GOING TO NEED.
TBD AND A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON OUR END.
I, I, I THINK ONE STEP AT A TIME.
WELL, REMEMBER WE WERE, WE ENLISTED DAVID AND URA MADELINE? YES.
WE MET, MAYBE WE CAN CALL HIM AGAIN TO YES.
I THOUGHT WE SHOULD TALK TO ANDREA STEWART, COUSINS AND MARY JANESKY.
MAY I, I PLEASE HAVE, MAY I PLEASE HAVE UNTIL NEXT MONDAY.
MY KIDS ARE TAKING ME AWAY FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS.
UM, AND WITH ANY KIND OF GOOD LUCK AND MY DAUGHTER'S HEALTH, MY GOAL IS TO COME HOME AT THE END OF, UM, MAY.
KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED, PLEASE.
THAT ALL THE DOCTORS AGREE WITH ME.
OKAY GUYS, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
HAVE A GOOD REST OF THE MONTH AND I'LL SEE YOU.
SOMEBODY'S GOTTA MOVE TO ADJOURN.