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HI, WELCOME, UH, TO, UH, THE TOWN BOARD, UH, WORK SESSION.YOUR MICROPHONE'S NOT ON, SORRY.
HI, WELCOME TARA TOWN BOARD, UH, WORK SESSION.
TODAY'S, UH, MAY 19TH, AND THE FIRST, UH, UPDATE IS, UM, OUR, UH, DISCUSSION OF THE SEWER MAIN BREAK ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.
SO, UM, FRANK MOTO, COMMISSIONER CJ AND LIZ, COMMISSIONER CJ.
YOU'RE WATCHING THIS LIVE ON TUESDAY, MAY 19TH, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY VOTED IN YOUR SCHOOL ELECTION, GO VOTE IN YOUR SCHOOL ELECTION, RIGHT? I TOOK, I WAS SUPPOSED TO ON SOMETHING, BUT I WAS CAUGHT UP IN SOMETHING ELSE.
I'M COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS, FRANK MARDO, CJ GILARDI, A DEPUTY ACCOUNT ENGINEER, AND DEPUTY BILL OF INSPECTOR LIZ GARRITY.
WITH THE, UH, VIDEOS, UH, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE SEWER MAIN AT THIS POINT.
DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST READ THROUGH FIRST? YEAH, READ THAT.
SO, THE, THE FIRST SLIDE, AS I'M SURE EVERY ONE IN THE RESIDENTS ARE AWARE, IS THAT, UM, WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING THE, THE SEWER BREAK, UM, THAT HAS OCCURRED AT EAST HARTSDALE RECENTLY.
WE, WE RETAINED, UM, A SPECIALIZED, UH, CCTV CAMERA COMPANY THAT WAS ABLE TO GET BETTER, UM, VIDEO OF THE BREAK.
SO IN 2004, FRANK, AND CONTINUE, EXCUSE ME, 2024, OH, SORRY.
IN 2024, THE MANHOLE COLLAPSED.
UM, CONED WAS DOING WORK IN THE AREA, WHICH WE, UM, THINK CONTRIBUTED TO THAT.
THE MANHOLE, UM, CONNECTS TO A 16 INCH SANITARY SEWER BENEATH THE BUILDING AND PARKING GARAGE, THE TOWN INSTALLED EMERGENCY BYPASS SYSTEM.
UM, CJ IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT, UM, I'M SURE THE, THE BYPASS SYSTEM, UM, TAKES, TAKES THE FLOW, UM, FROM, FROM UPSTREAM, WHICH IS, UH, MO MOST OF THE HARTSDALE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S ABOUT 1.5 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY.
UH, IT, IT PUMPS IT OUT OF A, A MANHOLE BEHIND 80 AND 100 EAST HARSDALE AVENUE.
AND THROUGH TEMPORARY, UH, METAL AND RUBBER PIPING DIRECTS THE FLOW AROUND THE BUILDING THROUGH AN ALLEYWAY UP THE STAIRS, AND THEN DISCHARGES TO A DOWNSTREAM MANHOLE PAST WHERE THE BREAK IS.
SO THE FLOW COULD STILL, UH, UM, TRAVEL, UH, BE CONVEYED TO THE, IT GOES TO THE COUNTY TRUNK SEWER LINE, AND THEN TO A YONKERS JOINT TREATMENT PLANT.
THERE'S ALSO A SMALL ELECTRICAL PUMP IN THE BUILDING TO PUMP THE BUILDING SEWAGE, SEE TO THE, TO THAT, TO THAT SAME, UH, MANHOLE DOWNSTREAM.
AND THE BYPASS IS THE BYPASS, UH, THE BRAKE, RIGHT? IT, YES, IT BYPASS, WHICH WAS OOZING SEWAGE.
THE PIPE BROKE, THE MANHOLE BROKE.
SO WE HAD TO DIRECT THE FLOW OF SEWAGE AROUND THAT BROKEN SECTION OF, OF PIPE AND MANHOLE.
SO THE, THE TWO PICTURES THAT ARE AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, FRANK CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE ARE.
THOSE TWO PICTURES ARE WHERE WE DETERMINED AT THAT TIME, THE BLOCKAGE WAS, UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT, IT'S COMPLETELY BLOCKED WITH SEWAGE, WHERE WE THOUGHT, UH, THE PIPE WAS BROKEN FROM THE TOP, AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT THE SAME PICTURE.
LIZ, SO CAN, SORRY, BEFORE YOU, BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD.
SO LET'S JUST GET CLARI UH, CLARITY ON THIS.
SO THIS WAS THE ORIGINAL SCHOOL, THAT'S THE ORIGINAL VIDEO RIGHT IN IN 2024.
AND THEN THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE SAME, JUST THE PICTURE FURTHER BACK IN 2024.
SO, UM, THE PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED, UM, BY, UM, THE, THE TEAM WITH THE, THE EMERGENCY CONTRACTOR, THEY BROUGHT IN A SUPPORTIVE EXCAVATION, UH, SPECIALIST CONTRACTOR, UH, SUPPORTIVE EXCAVATION, GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO LATER HAD, UM, ANOTHER, UH, ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS, UH, WERE STUDY DONE BY ANOTHER ENGINEER.
AND, UM, ALL OF THOSE, UH, CONCLUDED THAT, UM, BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD, UM, UH, THERE WAS A, A LACK OF, UM, RECORD DRAWINGS
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OF THE BUILDING.UM, BASED ON THE CAM, WHAT WAS ABLE TO BE SEEN FROM THE CAMERAS.
UM, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE COURSE OF ACTION THAT WAS DETERMINED WAS TO GO AROUND THE BUILDING, GET THE SEWER MAIN OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE, THE, THE APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH WOULD MAKE FUTURE MAINTENANCE, UM, EASIER.
IT'S JUST NOT GOOD PRACTICE TO HAVE A SEWER MAIN RUNNING THROUGH A BUILDING.
SO IF YOU HAVE TO FIX IT ANYWAY, WE MIGHT AS WELL MOVE IT AND GET IT OUT OF, OUT OF, OUT OF THE, FROM UNDERNEATH THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, RUNNING THROUGH THE BACK PARKING LOT UNDERNEATH AN ALLEYWAY.
AND THEN WOULD CONNECT BACK TO, UM, THE, THE UNBROKEN PIECE OF, UH, PIPE DOWNSTREAM OF THE BREAK.
SO BASICALLY THE, THE EXISTING PIPE RUNS DIRECTLY UNDER THAT BUILDING THAT WE'RE SEEING THERE AT SOMEWHAT OF AN ANGLE.
AND IT WAS, IT WAS BELIEVED TWO YEARS AGO OR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT THE BREAK WAS ACTUALLY AT THE FOUNDATION IN THE FOUNDATION, OR IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO IT, INSIDE OR OUT.
AND THAT WAS A BELIEF BASED ON WHERE THE BLOCKAGE WAS.
AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE.
WHICH YOU WANNA SHOW YOU THAT VIDEO.
DID THE PRESENT TO BE, MIKE, YOU HAVE YOU MIC ON MIKE.
BUT WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO, WE'LL TRY TO SPEAK UP MORE APOLOGIES.
CAN EVERYBODY HERE, LET ME JUST ASK, WE'LL ASK THEM TO TURN IT UP, MR SIX, JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THE SIX C FILES WELCOME.
SO A ANY, ANY REPAIR, ANY SOLUTION TO THIS, TO THIS ISSUE WOULD REQUIRE A LARGE EXCAVATION, AN A DEEP EXCAVATION.
THE, THE, THE PIPE AND MANHOLES IN THIS AREA ARE APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET DEEP.
UH, THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S ALSO HIGH GROUND, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK IN THE, WE HAVE A LITTLE CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER THE MIC SO YOU CAN HEAR.
LIKE, AS I WAS SAYING THAT, UH, ANY, ANY REPAIR TO THIS, WHETHER GOING AROUND THE BUILDING, WHETHER REPAIRING IN PLACE, IT WOULD REQUIRE A LARGE DEEP EXCAVATION.
THE, THE PIPE AND THE MANHOLE IN THIS AREA ARE ROUGHLY 30 FEET DEEP.
UH, THERE'S ALSO A HIGH GROUNDWATER IN THE AREA, WHICH MAKES EXCAVATION DIFFICULT.
UM, SO THE, THE PROPOSED METHOD TO, TO EXCAVATE AND, UH, SHORE UP THAT EXCAVATION TO, TO, TO KEEP IT STRUCTURALLY SOUND SO THAT IT DOESN'T COLLAPSE IN ON ITSELF.
AND TO PROTECT THE BUILDING IS A METHOD CALLED C CAMP PILES, WHICH ARE, UM, DRILLED INTO THE GROUND.
SO THERE'S NO BANGING, LIKE IT'S NOT LIKE A PILE DRIVER THAT WOULD BANG THE, THE PILES DOWN.
IT, IT, IT DRILLS THEM DOWN, REMOVING THE, UH, THE, THE SOIL.
UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S MINIMAL VIBRATION IS WHAT YOU'RE YES.
THAT DRILLING, THAT DRILLING MOTION, MIN IS, MINIMIZES THE VIBRATION TO, TO VERY, VERY MINIMAL.
ONE, THEY ARE DRILLED, ONE OVERLAPS THE OTHER, SO THEY CAN BECOME WATERPROOF.
EVERY OTHER, EVERY OTHER PILE HAS A, A H BEAM INSIDE OF IT, OR I BEAM INSIDE OF IT.
UH, THEY'RE FILLED WITH CONCRETE.
THERE'S ALSO, EVERY 15 FEET OR SO, THERE'S A WHALER AROUND, WHICH IS A, A, A SUPPORT BRACE INSIDE THE HOLE TO, TO KEEP IT, TO KEEP THE STRUCTURAL SUPPORT.
AND, UH, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO EXCAVATE THIS AND, AND MINIMIZE ANY, UH, DEWATERING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AND, AND PROTECT THE, THE BUILDING AND, AND PROTECT THE, THE, THE HOLE.
WOULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT DEWATERING MEANS? UM, SURE.
THAT, UH, BELOW THE, BELOW THE GROUND, AND MOST EVERYWHERE AT SOME DEPTH IS, IS GROUNDWATER.
THERE'S JUST NATURALLY WATER OCCURRING IN THE GROUND.
UH, AND SO WHEN YOU DIG DEEP ENOUGH AND YOU, AND YOU REACH THAT GROUNDWATER, IT, IT MAKES EXCAVATION MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO SCOOP AND DIG WATER, NOT JUST DIRT.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT METHODS TO, TO DEWATER, WHICH MEANS GET THE WATER OUTTA THE HOLE, OUTTA YOUR WAY.
SOMETIMES YOU COULD JUST PUMP IT OUT.
UM, BUT, BUT THIS METHOD KEEPS THE WATER FROM GETTING INTO THE HOLE.
UM, IN THE FIRST PLACE, UH, THERE MIGHT BE SOME JET GROUTING THAT'S NEEDED, WHICH IS YOU, YOU SPRAY A GROUT, IT'S A CEMENTITIOUS TYPE MATERIAL TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE, OF THESE SEED CAMP PILES TO ALL, AGAIN, IT SEALS, IT SEALS THE, THE PILES, UH, TO KEEP THE, TO, TO PREVENT THE, THE WATER FROM GETTING IN BETWEEN THE PILES.
AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THAT CCAN PILE IS METHOD IS EITHER REPAIR OR NEW INSTALLATION.
SO THOSE C CANS WOULD BE PART OF THE PROJECT.
SO THE, THE CONTRACTOR THAT THE COMMISSIONER ENGAGED IS A SPECIALIZED CONTRACTOR THAT USES HIGH RESOLUTION CCT FOOTAGE, SO WE CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING IN AN EXACT
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LOCATION WHAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO, WHICH THE OTHER COMPANY WAS NOT TO TAKE SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT THAT GOES IN AND CLEANS OUT THE PIPE AND CAN REMOVE LARGE PIECES OF DEBRIS WHERE TRADITIONAL EQUIPMENT DOES NOT.SO THIS COMPANY WAS ABLE TO GO IN, I THINK, TWO WEEK, A WEEK AGO.
AND WAS IT, WE JUST GOT THE FOOTAGE ON FRIDAY.
UM, AND THE TOWN ENGINEER, UH, AND THE COMMISSIONER AND MYSELF, UH, THE CONTRACTOR JUST REREVIEWED IT YESTERDAY.
UM, AND WE JUST MET THIS AFTERNOON.
SO THIS IS ALL, UM, HOT OFF THE PRESS, HOT OFF THE PRESSES, NEW INFORMATION, UM, THAT WE'RE VERY PLEASED TO SHARE WITH EVERYONE, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE BREAK IS.
SO, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? AM I JUMPING TOO FAR? NO.
SO WITH THIS NEW METHOD, NOW THAT YOU'VE, UM, REAMED THE RE YOU HURRY BEEN GONNA ANSWER THIS QUESTION ALREADY, BUT YOU HAVE ALREADY REAMED, HAVE YOU DETERMINED IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT METHOD THAT YOU WANNA GO GOING FORWARD? HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? OR IF I'M JUMPING THE GUN, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I'M SO EXCITED.
LIKE, NO, IT'S SHOWING, IT'S SHOWING THAT THE PIPING'S CLEARLY NOT BROKEN UNDER THE BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA VIDEO OVER HERE.
I AM GONNA ATTEMPT TO PLAY THE VIDEO, SO NO.
ARE WE SEEING THE LATERALS THERE? YES, THIS IS, OKAY.
SO THIS IS THAT, THAT SEWER LATERAL'S FROM THE TOP, THAT ORANGE PIPE, THAT'S OUR JET HOSE, THAT'S FROM THE BOTTOM.
SO YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING IT'S NOT AS BAD AS WE ORIGINALLY, RIGHT.
WE, WE HAD FLUSHED THE PIPE AND CLEANED IT AND VACUUMED IT, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN A MUCH DEEPER VIEW OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY DETERMINED TO BE BAD.
SO WHEN, WHEN, WHEN DID WE LEARN THAT? UH, IT'S NOT AS BAD? YOU KNOW, FRIDAY, WE REALLY WELL KNOW UNTIL THURSDAY, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO I WAS GONNA BRING THAT UP AFTER THE VIDEO.
SO THIS, THE VIDEOS THAT WERE ABLE TO BE TAKEN IN, IN JUST RECENTLY WAS FROM THE MANHOLE THAT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING IN THE MANHOLE THAT'S IN THE BUILDING.
AND THE MANHOLE THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WE STILL HAVE TO DO THE MANHOLE THAT'S IN FRONT OF 120 EAST HARTSDALE TO COME BACK UP TOWARDS THE BREAK TO SEE WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO ONCE THAT'S DONE, WHICH IS ESTIMATED FRANK, FOR FRIDAY, FOR FRIDAY, FRIDAY, MONDAY, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER THAT THE VIDEO, WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE EXACTLY WHAT METHOD WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FOR.
UM, THIS IS AN UPDATE TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS NOT LIKE A CRITICISM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS REALLY VERY INTERESTING AND, UH, BUT IF SOMEBODY CALLS ME AND SAYS, OH, YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENED TWO YEARS AGO, WHY DID IT TAKE, SAY TWO YEARS TO LEARN? WAS THERE A REASON FOR THE DELAY IN, IN LEARNING THAT THE DAMAGE IS NOT AS, AS MUCH I'VE ONLY BEEN IN THREE WEEKS? NO, BUT NO, I'M SAYING THAT'S A COMPLIMENT TO YOU.
SO WHAT IT'S LIKE WATCHING ANGIOPLASTY? YEAH.
SO WHAT, WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS, UM, OH, SORRY.
IT'S AMAZING HOW GOOD THE PIPE IS.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THIS VIDEO IS REALLY INTENDED.
SO THE RESIDENTS CAN SEE THAT UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING, WHICH WAS THE MOST CONCERN FOR EVERYONE.
IT'S IN SURPRISINGLY GOOD SHAPE.
SO CJ CAN GO INTO, UM, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO MOVING FORWARD, UM, AFTER THE REPAIR IS MADE.
UM, LEMME JUST, SO WILL REPAIRS NOW BE LESS EXPENSIVE? YES.
'CAUSE OF THE, SO YOU EARNED YOUR SALARY
UM, LET'S, LET'S, SO GO FORWARD.
WHAT, NO, I'M SAYING WHAT, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS THIS PIPE, YOU CAN SEE THE CONDITION OF THE INTERIOR OF THE PIPE.
THEY'RE GOING TO RELY NOT ONLY THE INTERIOR OF THE PIPE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A, A SUBSTANTIAL RELINING PROJECT ONCE THE REPAIR IS MADE.
UM, DO YOU WANT ME TO GO TO THE NEXT VIDEO, FRANK? YEAH, YOU CAN GO.
JUST SIMPLE TECHNICAL QUESTION.
IF THIS WAS DONE BACK A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WOULD WE HAVE BASICALLY PURSUED A DIFFERENT PATH THAN WE ARE DOING NOW? I KNOW IT'S A WORK SESSION, BUT CAN YOU JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF, SIR? IF YOU DON'T MIND.
IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
HE'S RUDY RINALDI, WHO? I, SORRY.
HE WAS COMMISSIONER, UH, UH, IN NEW YORK CITY UNDER, UH, UH, MAYOR DINKINS AND WORKED FOR MAYOR TCH BEFORE.
AND I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, BUT THE THING IS THAT, WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT? THIS IS INAPPROPRIATE, BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANT THAT PIPE UNDER THE BUILDING.
I MEAN, NOBODY WANTS THESE PIPES UNDER THE BUILDING.
BUT THE FACT IS, WOULD YOU HAVE JUST MADE A REPAIR, SOME REPAIR IF WE HAD THE INFORM, IF WE, IF SHE HAD THIS INFORMATION, INFORMATION THAT WAS AVAILABLE, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
THE INFORMATION WAS AVAILABLE, THEN THEY WOULD'VE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
BUT THEY ACTED ON THE INFORMATION THAT HAD AVAILABLE.
SO, UH, FRANK MODO HIRED AS THE COMMISSIONER OF DPW SIX WEEKS AGO DURING THAT PERIOD, DETERMINED THAT THE COSTS ARE ESCALATING
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SO MUCH.AND NOW IT TURNS OUT THAT THE BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE ABOUT $650,000 TO RECONNECT THEIR LATERALS.
IF THERE WAS A WAY TO AVOID THAT, WHICH WOULD LIKELY INVOLVE LITIGATION, RIGHT.
AS TO SHOULD THEY BE PAYING IT OR THE TOWN PAYING IT.
BUT THE TOWN CAN'T PAY BE NECESSARY.
I I, I, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU.
IF, IF THE TOWN CANNOT SPEND PUBLIC MONEY FOR PRIVATE PURPOSES, THEIR LATERALS, WHICH IS THE CONNECTIONS OF THE BUILDING TO THE MAIN PIPE RIGHT.
IF THIS IS WORKABLE, AND WE'LL FIND OUT MORE BY THE END OF THE INTERRUPT, YOU, I STILL DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU.
I STILL, EXCUSE ME, SIR, IF YOU COULD ALL SPEAK ONE AT A TIME.
SO THIS, THIS VIDEO IS FROM THE MANHOLE THAT COLLAPSED, UM, GOING TOWARDS WHERE THE BREAK IS.
AND YOU'LL SEE THE, A HOSE IN THE PIPE THAT IS THE TOWN'S, UM, JET TRUCK, JET JET TRUCK HOSE THAT GOT STUCK IN THE PIPE, WHICH WE HAD TO SEVER FROM THE TRUCK.
SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE TOP OF THE PIPE ON THE BOTTOM.
THE CAMERAS ROLLED AND REVERSED BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS A TOP BREAK.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA ROLL AROUND THE SYRIA, WHERE THE, WHERE THE PIPE.
SO IT'S GONNA, SO THAT'S BEEN IN THERE OVER A YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE PIPE THAT, AS FRANK, FRANK SAID, THAT THE PIPE IS UPSIDE DOWN.
IF YOU PUT, IS IT SHOW IT ROLLED? LET ME JUST ASK SORT OF A FOLLOW UP.
THAT'S WHERE A BLOCKAGE IN THE SEWER BACKUP IS, RIGHT THERE.
LET, LET ME JUST ASK ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY THRILLED THAT IT'S, WE'RE GETTING GOOD NEWS RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, BAD NEWS.
UH, BUT, UH, THE, WE HIRED SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON CONSULTANTS AND SHOULD HAVE THE CONSULTANT, UH, TOLD, UH, YOU KNOW, DONE THE WORK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE ABLE TO DO JUST RECENTLY.
BECAUSE IF THIS IS GONNA BE MUCH CHEAPER, AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, A LESS LENGTHY PROCESS, SHOULDN'T HAVE.
THE PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT FIRM THAT WE HIRED BASICALLY TOLD US.
I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT AND NOT, I'M ASKING YOU, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I THINK WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW IS A SOLUTION.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS LATER, BUT THE RESIDENTS ON THAT AVENUE DESERVE TO HAVE NO, NO CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND TO GET BACK THEIR ENTRANCEWAY.
AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL.
SO, AND IF THURSDAY IS SUCCESSFUL, THAT ACTUALLY MAY HAPPEN THIS SUMMER AND WE'D BE DONE WITH IT.
SO THAT H PILE IS APPROXIMATELY FROM THE EXISTING MANHOLE.
THE EXISTING MANHOLE IN FRONT OF 100 EAST HARTSDALE APPROXIMATELY ABOUT SIX AND A HALF FEET.
SO IT'S CLEARLY LAYING THE SIDEWALK.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY SOMETHING, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES WE HEAR THINGS AND THEN WE, WE GET EXCITED AND WE KIND OF RUN WITH IT.
UM, WE HOPE THAT, WE HOPE THAT IT'LL BE DONE THIS SUMMER, BUT THERE IS STILL MORE INFORMATION THAT WE STILL HAVE TO, TO GET BEFORE WE CAN GIVE YOU A CONCRETE DATE OF WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLETED.
BUT WE HOPE THAT IT'S THIS SUMMER, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN TREMENDOUSLY FAR.
SO THIS IS AN UPDATE UP UNTIL THIS POINT.
SO I THINK, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA SET AN EXPECTATION THAT NEXT WEEK IS GONNA BE DONE ON THIS SUMMER.
SO THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR THAT WE ARE STILL GONNA GET MORE INFORMATION.
WE SHOULD HAVE SOME STUFF, MORE INFORMATION NEXT WEEK AND HO AND THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE A BETTER, UM, DATE AS TO WHEN THE REPAIR CAN BE COME.
BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY THE S NEWS WE HEARD.
SO, SO LET ME, LET ME, LET ME PUT THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THEN.
OH, I DIDN'T SAY IT CLEAR ENOUGH.
NO, BECAUSE YOU WERE COMMENTING ABOUT MY COMMENT.
SO I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT IF WE HAVE TO DO THE ROUTE ENTIRELY AROUND THE BUILDING, IT'S GONNA TAKE MUCH, MUCH LONGER THAN IF WE DO THIS REPAIR.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S, THERE'S OPTIMISM.
IF THURSDAY WORKS OUT WELL, OR FRIDAY WORKS OUT WELL, AND IF IT DOES, WE'LL LET EVERYBODY KNOW.
WELL, AND REALISTICALLY YOU DON'T NEED SUBMIT TO THE COUNTY DOH CORRECT.
SAY ONE THING TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, MY NAME IS BARRY STEINBECK, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF ONE 20, AND THIS MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND WILL BE THREE YEARS SINCE THAT FIGHT BROKE.
RECAP THREE CALENDARS FOR WAIT.
IT'S, AND THIS, IT FEELS LIKE, IT FEELS LIKE IT FEELS LIKE A HUNDRED, BUT, BUT WE, BUT WE ARE REALLY DOING, AND I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO TELL US BECAUSE WE'VE LIVED IT AS WELL.
WE HAVEN'T LIVED IT LIKE YOU HAVE FROM THIS END.
AND, AND WE ARE TREMENDOUSLY EMPATHETIC TO ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU HAVE TO, THAT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING IS WE'RE JUST TRYING, WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO THE BEST FOR YOU.
IF YOU WANNA GO OVER THE MEETING
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THAT WE HAD WITH, UM, ATLANTIC PILE.WE HAD MET THE CCAN PILE, UH, COMPANY OUT THERE.
THEY'RE GETTING, UH, ENGINEERED DRAWINGS AND EVERYTHING AS WE STARTED TO DO WITH THE REPAIR, I MEAN WITH THE REPLACEMENT.
AND NOW IT'S GONNA START IT WITH THE REPAIR.
SO IT'S GONNA, BASICALLY, THE TRENCH IS GONNA JUST SLIDE OVER A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM THE EXISTING, BUT WE NEED ENGINEERING DRAWINGS ON THAT.
WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH 100 ALSO.
SO WE MOVE FORWARD, LET'S SAY THE GOOD NEWS TURNS OUT TO BE ACCURATE.
WHY WOULD YOU ESTIMATE, YOU KNOW, LIKE JUST A GUT REACTION, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE COST OF THE REPAIR NOW? OH, I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT NUMBER EXACTLY.
I DON'T HAVE THAT ALL THAT INFORMATION YET.
IT, IT WILL CERTAINLY BE LESS THAN LESS THE REROUTE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S GUARANTEED.
UM, BUT WE, WE WILL GET, AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE INFORMATION ON FRIDAY, THE CONTRACTORS ARE GOING TO THE, THE C CAMP PILE CONTRACTOR WILL BE PROVIDING US WITH FURTHER INFORMATION.
SO IS IT POSSIBLE, WELL, I'M SURE YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, BUT AFTER YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION, IF WE CAN GET A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE, BECAUSE SCHEDULES CHANGE, RIGHT? RUTA, YOU KNOW, THAT SCHEDULES CHANGE ANY TYPE OF PROJECTS, THEY CHANGE ONGOING SCHEDULE.
SO IF WE CAN GET A SCHEDULE AS TO WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE SO WE CAN GET AN IDEA AND THEN WE CAN GIVE AN IDEA TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS IS HOW MUCH THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE AT.
AND THEN ALSO TOO, WE JUST WANNA REMIND IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE, FULL TRANSPARENCY OF WHAT'S GOING HAP WHAT'S MOVING FORWARD, AND WE'LL COMMIT TO UPDATE ON A FREQUENT BASIS IF IT'S A CAPITAL BUDGET.
UM, IS THERE, IT'S THE SAME FUNDING, IT'S TAXPAYER DOLLARS, IT'S UNDERSTANDING.
SO CAPITAL PROJECT IS PAID DIFFERENTLY THAN A MAINTENANCE PROJECT OF REPAIR IN PLACE.
YOU WANNA GO ON? SO THIS IS JUST, UM, SOME ADVANTAGES THAT, UM, CJ FRANK, UM, AND, UH, TOWN ENGINEER CO POLA, UM, IT'S FAR LESS EXPENSIVE.
IT'S LIKELY FASTER TO COMPLETE.
UH, IT'S LESS DISRUPTIVE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS TO RESIDENTS BUSINESSES AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
EXISTING PRIVATE SEWER LATERALS WILL REMAIN UNDISTURBED.
UM, THE BUILDING OWNER WOULD AVOID BY KEEPING THOSE UNDISTURBED APPROXIMATELY $600,000, UM, TO EXTEND THE PRIVATE SEWER LATERALS ONTO TO THE MAIN AND BOARD OF HEALTH APPROVAL IS NOT REQUIRED WHEN IT'S A REPAIR IN PLACE.
SO THE NEXT STEPS AS, UM, COMMISSIONER AND, UH, DEPUTY TOWN ENGINEER MENTIONED, WE WILL BE HAVING THE SPECIALIZED CAMERA COMPANY COMING OUT THIS THURSDAY OR FRIDAY, DEPENDING ON THEIR SCHEDULING.
UM, THEY WERE HOPING FOR THURSDAY.
SO WE GET IT SOONER, BUT MM-HMM
UM, THEY'RE GOING TO CAMERA, WE'LL HAVE A FULL INFORMATION.
WE'LL SHARE THAT FOOTAGE WITH THE, UM, C CAMP PILE COMPANY AND THEY WILL COME UP WITH THE FULL PLAN.
SO WE CAN HAVE AN ENGINEER DRAWING AND WITH THE TRAFFIC, THEY'RE DIRECTED NOT TO DO IT DURING RUSH HOURS.
SO WE COULD JUST SAY THAT AGAIN.
I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE HEARD THAT.
WE'LL GONNA START AFTER NINE O'CLOCK.
WE'RE GONNA START NOT AFTER 9:00 AM IT'S ALSO A HOLIDAY WEEKEND.
SO THERE'LL BE PROBABLY BE MORE TRAFFIC.
WELL, WE WON'T START ANYTHING.
LET, LET ME ASK, SINCE UH, YOU'LL HAVE UPDATES BY THE END OF THE WEEK, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO, UM, PUT THIS ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA LIKE NEXT TUESDAY? AND THEN THIS WAY EVERYBODY HERE WILL HAVE AN UPDATE, SAY AT TUESDAY'S WORK SESSION AND THEN WE, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND THEN WE COULD HAVE LIKE A, UH, A STREET PARTY TO CELEBRATE.
WE'LL HAVE LIKE A
WE WANNA MAKE SURE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE GIVE YOU THE MOST INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE.
MAKE A LITTLE TIGHT ON THE RIGHT.
WE CAN LIKE A LITTLE EMAIL UPDATE, WHATEVER YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH.
WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS TO GIVE OUT FALSE INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, WORD WENT OUT A YEAR, A YEAR AND TWO MONTHS AGO THAT IT WAS GONNA BE DONE BY THE END OF FEBRUARY AND THAT WAS FEBRUARY OF 2025.
WE DON'T WANT ANNOUNCEMENTS LIKE THAT AGAIN.
SO LET'S MAKE SURE WHEN WE DO GIVE OUT INFORMATION, IT'S, IT'S AS ACCURATE AS WE KNOW IT TO BE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I THINK TWO WEEKS MAKES SENSE.
LET'S NOT ONLY GET THE DATA, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY ANALYZE, ANALYZE IT.
WELL THIS IS GREAT NEWS, SO THANK YOU.
NO, I, I WAS GETTING BALD AND NOW THE HAIR'S STARTING TO GROW BACK.
I'LL LET IT GROW BACK TOO FAST.
ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER? ANYTHING? NOPE, WE'RE GOOD.
UM, JOHN, JOHN, ER FROM ONE 20.
I'M NOT EVEN
UH, JUST WHEN THE EVALUATION IS DONE, UH, FOR THE SEWER, UH, PORTION THAT GOES UNDER OR NEAR ONE 20, UH, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET SOME SORT OF SORT OF OVERVIEW DRAWING THAT
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WE COULD SEE FROM THE STREET LEVEL? PEOPLE SAY, WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT HAPPENING? IS IT IN OUR DRIVEWAY? IS IT ON OUR PROPERTY? IS IT ALL ON 100? WE JUST SORT OF WANT TO SEE FROM, FROM THE STREET LEVEL, STREET EYE, UH, WHERE IS MOST OF THE WORK GONNA BE DOING? AND OBVIOUSLY UNTIL YOU DO THIS EVALUATION, YOU CAN'T TELL US THAT NOW.BUT WE WOULD JUST HOPE THAT HE COULD JUST SORT OF POINT OUT TO US SO WE CAN TELL OUR SHAREHOLDERS THE WORK IS ACTUALLY BEING ALL DONE OVER THERE.
AND IT'LL HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE WERE GETTING.
YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION YET.
WE NEED TO GET TO THE END OF THE WEEK.
THERE WERE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS.
20 HAD VERY, IF WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN, UH, IN TERMS OF YOUR, YOUR BUILDING, ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE MR. OLI SENT YOU A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT, UH, YOU WANNA HAVE ASKED JUST FOR THE ONE 20 YEAH.
IS THAT, IS THAT OKAY? MOST OF THE QUESTIONS HAD TO DO WITH THE REROUTING PROJECT.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I, THEY FOUND IRRELEVANT.
SO I'M TALKING ABOUT YOU, YOU'RE DOING OTHER WORK.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT, IF THERE'S ANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS HOLD ON, HOLD ON A SECOND.
WE'RE GONNA JUST GIVE THEM A MICROPHONE.
OKAY, THEN I CAN'T IN TROUBLE.
QUESTIONS IF YOU WANT TO GIVE THESE TO PAUL.
WE SAW, WE, WE RECEIVED ALL THE QUESTIONS, BUT MAJORITY HAD A TO DO WITH THE REROUTING PROJECT.
ONCE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION, IF WE DECIDE TO GO WITH THE REROUT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER WORK SESSION WHERE WE'LL ANSWER ALL THE RESIDENT'S QUESTIONS THAT ARE RELATED TO THAT.
YOUR QUESTIONS MAY VERY WELL CHANGE.
AND WE'LL BE RESPONSIVE TO THAT.
AND THE QUESTIONS ARE PRETTY, ARE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR THE TOWN.
SO, YOU KNOW, MOST, IF NOT ALL, OF WHAT YOU REQUESTED, AS I SAID, A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE AND THE AND PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GOOD ABOUT FOLLOWING THOSE QUESTIONS.
IT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED, IT WILL BE FOLLOWED.
THE PROCESS TALENT PROCESS WILL BE FOLLOWED.
THE BUILDINGS DEPARTMENT WILL SIGN, PERMITS, SIGN OFF ON THIS WORK AND MAKE SURE ALL INSPECTIONS ARE DONE ON THE SITE.
RIGHT? WELL, EVERYTHING THAT WILL BE DONE GOING TO THE BUILDINGS CODE WILL BE DONE IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING.
WE ALWAYS, AS WE ALWAYS WORK, JUST SO EVERYONE'S CLEAR FOR A REPAIR IN PLACE, UM, THIS WOULD BE UNDER THE WATER AND SEWER DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT A PLUMBING PERMIT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE TAKEN BECAUSE IT'S ON A TOWN, MAINE.
UM, IF IT'S A REROUTE PROJECT WHERE WE'RE GOING AROUND THE BUILDING, IN THAT INSTANCE, THERE WOULD BE PERMIT REQUIRED PERMIT.
BUT YES, TO ANSWER MR. ALDI'S QUESTION, EVERYTHING WILL FOLLOW CODE.
AND ALSO, UM, SENATOR GILLIBRAND'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, CONTACTED ME THAT THEY, UH, THEY HAVE APPLIED TO THE FE TO THE CONGRESS FOR $1.5 MILLION GRANT.
THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE TO LINE THE PIPE UNDERGROUND LINING OF THE PIPE.
SO THIS WAY WE COULD EXTEND THE LIFE OF A PIPE BY ANOTHER 30 YEARS.
SO THAT GRANT APPLICATION IS STILL VERY VALID BECAUSE IT'S DEALING WITH PROACTIVE FUTURE WORK RATHER THAN THIS.
UM, UH, RUDY, YOU HAD NO, NO, I WAS GONNA SAY, SO DP IS MANAGING THIS PROJECT.
D P'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS AT ALL.
DP IS ONLY IN THE CITY, RIGHT? YEAH.
I JUST WANNA COMMEND, UH, YOU, THIS IS A EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.
UH, IT'S TOP QUALITY PRESENTATION.
IT'S BASICALLY WHAT I THINK PEOPLE WOULD EXPECT.
AND I'M REALLY VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT YOU SPEND SO MUCH TIME AND, YOU KNOW, FOUND A WAY TO SAVE MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD RATHER THAN BACKWARDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE WILL, WE WILL, THE RESIDENTS OF EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A NEW SUPERMARKET AND, UH, A ROAD.
THIS IS REALLY THE BEST NEWS EVER.
AND THE ONE LAST QUESTION THAT I SO MUCH YOU VERY MUCH, ONE LAST PERSON.
SO THIS PROJECT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE BONDED FOR.
THIS IS GOING TO BE COMING OUTTA CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION FUNDS THAT WILL DEAL WITH THOSE QUESTIONS FROM THE WATER, WATER DISTRICT.
BUT THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED WITHOUT YOU.
WHAT ARE GONNA DO IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS? NOT TOO MUCH TIME.
HOW MANY WE GONNA SAY IF IT'S CAPITAL OR IT'S NOT CAPITAL? WE ARE, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.
ALWAYS GONNA NEXT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE REPAIRS NO MATTER WHAT HOUSE.
SO WE'LL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ONCE WE WHISTLE SOLD DOLL HOUSE.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T, LL HOUSE, I GUESS IS THE CONTRACT.
WE HAVE A NEW, THIS IS GREAT HOUSE.
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I HOPE YOU'RE LEAVING WITH MORE SMILES THAN YOU WALKED IN HERE.NEXT, UH, WE'LL DISCUSS, UM, THE ODELL HOUSE CONTRACT.
IF YOU CAN YOU JUST TAKE THAT CONVERSATION OUTSIDE SO THAT YEAH.
ALRIGHT, AMANDA, ARE YOU LEADING THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CONTRACT? UM,
SO THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS EXCHANGED BETWEEN, UM, MR. JONES AND MR. DKO AND EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT AS TO THE, THE REQUESTED CHANGES AND COMMENTS.
IT CAN BE PUT IN FINAL AND PROCEED.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OTHER ISSUES.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THEY'VE WORKED VERY HARD TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
AND UMM, VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS ON THE AGENDA.
I THINK THE ONLY OUTSTANDING THING HAD TO DO WITH INSURANCE.
WELL, THE, THE INSURANCE WHO WA JOE, UM, THE TOWN ATTORNEY WAS WAITING FOR SOME INFORMATION BACK TO CONFIRM THE INSURANCE.
YOU CAN JUST FROM OUR INSURANCE CARRIER? YES.
BECAUSE IT'S COVERED BY HER INSURANCE CARRIER.
UM, I THINK ON PAGE NINE AT THE BOTTOM.
IS THAT WHERE, THAT MAY NOT BE IT.
YOU JUST NEED TO CONFIRM THAT WHEN THE TOWN ATTORNEY RETURNS.
SO I WILL CONFIRM THAT I CAN REACH OUT TO OUR INSURANCE BROKER TOMORROW.
YEAH, I, ALTHOUGH GENERALLY IT'S NOT AN ISSUE TO ADD ANOTHER PARTY AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED ON A YEAH.
WELL, ONCE WE HAVE THAT, WE CAN THEN CONFIRM THAT WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
OKAY, NEXT RULES FOR TOWN BOARD RESPONSES AT MEETINGS.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE CENSORSHIP.
I THINK EVERYBODY ON THE TOWN BOARD SHOULD HAVE A, THE ABILITY, I HAVE NO PROBLEM ASKING OTHER BOARD MEMBERS TO SPEAK FIRST, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, EVERY MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD, WE'RE ALL ELECTED.
AND IF WE'RE ACTING INAPPROPRIATELY OR TALKING TOO LONG OR WHATEVER, THE VOTERS SHOULD MAKE THAT DECISION RATHER THAN US, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S INFORMATION THAT ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL WANTS TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL INDEPENDENTLY ELECTED AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY WHATEVER WE WANT.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I WANT GOVERNMENT TO BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AND WE HAVE TO RESPECT EACH OTHER'S RIGHT.
TO DIFFER WITH US, YOU KNOW? SO THIS, THIS RULE IS NOT IN RESPONSE TO ANY CONTENT THAT ANY BOARD MEMBER PRESENTED.
IT'S IN RESPONSE TO BEING RESPECTFUL OF TIME LIMITS AND ALLOWING, WELL, LET ME FINISH PLEASE.
ALLOWING ALL BOARD MEMBERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND HOW WE DO THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF A TOWN BOARD MEETING WHERE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC THERE AND WE HAVE AN AGENDA TO GO THROUGH.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS RESPECTFUL FOR ANY TOWN BOARD MEMBER TO HIJACK THAT PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR THERE TO BE A RESPECT OF THAT WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT RULES.
YOU CAN SHAKE YOUR HEAD, THAT'S FINE.
I'M SAYING MY OPINION, UM, WE'VE GOTTEN LETTERS ABOUT HOW WE COMPORT OURSELVES ON THE TOWN BOARD.
WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTEN LETTERS THAT REFERENCE A LACK OF RESPECT AND CIVILITY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND ABOUT THE TIME TAKEN UP BY TOWN BOARD MEMBERS WITH COMMENTARY.
SO I DON'T MIND, YOU KNOW, UH, ALLOWING MYSELF ONLY FIVE MINUTES OR WHATEVER IT IS.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD ALL AGREE TO THAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S ONLY FAIR.
AND I THINK THIS IS WHY WE PUT OUR RULES IN PLACE THAT WE, THAT WE VOTED ON, UM, JANUARY.
SO IF WE CAN JUST ADHERE TO THOSE RULES THAT WE VOTED ON, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE NO AND VOID, BUT THOSE RULES DON'T, DON'T, UH, ARE NOT FOLLOWED.
AND IN THOSE RULES WE HAD SAID, AND THE SUPERVISOR HAD AGREED TO, HE WOULD ACTUALLY ADMINISTER THE MEETING AND GO THROUGH THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD MEMBERS FIRST AND WHATEVER.
THAT'S NOT ROBERT'S RULES, THAT'S JUST A GOOD PROTOCOL.
BUT SINCE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT'S WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WHEN SOMETHING, A PUBLIC COMMENT HAPPENS, THE SUPERVISOR TAKES THAT IMMEDIATE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND BEFORE ANYONE ELSE DOES.
AND THEN IT GOES ON FOR QUITE A WHILE AND THEN EVERYTHING GETS DERAILED BECAUSE OF THAT.
IF WE COULD FOLLOW A PROCESS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
WELL, IF I'M GONNA BE ATTACKED BY ANY BOARD MEMBER, I'M GONNA RESPOND NO MATTER WHAT THE RULES ARE BECAUSE I HAVE A RIGHT TO
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ANSWER, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS.AND I'M THE TOWN SUPERVISOR, I'M THE CHIEF ELECTED OFFICIAL OF THE TOWN.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING A PRIMARY, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP A NO PAUL, NO PAUL, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP A PROCESS.
NOBODY IS GONNA TELL ME SHUT UP BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA, PAUL, NO ONE'S TELLING YOU TO SHUT UP.
NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT USING THAT TYPE OF LANGUAGE HERE.
WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT WE FOLLOWED THE PROCESS THAT ALL FIVE OF US VOTED ON, INCLUDING YOURSELF.
WELL, SO THAT'S, THAT'S NO FAULT FRANCIS' INSULTING ME.
I'M GONNA RESPOND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NO MATTER WHAT.
ALL DONE, YOU KNOW WHAT, BASICALLY ALL I'M SAYING, ALL DUE RESPECT, I WASN'T THE ONE WHO INSULTED HIM.
THIS IS HOW I, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NO, AND I'M JUST SAYING WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO GIVE RESPECT TOO.
AND TO BE CLEAR, I DID NOT INSULT YOU.
I JUST STATED FACTS THAT YOU TAKE HIS INSULTS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE FACTS.
OUR GOAL HERE IS TO DO THE BEST WE CAN DO TO ADVANCE FORWARD THE, THE TOWN'S COMMITMENT TO GETTING WORK DONE ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN.
AND THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S, AS I SAID MOMENTS AGO, IT'S SUBJECTIVE AND YOU'RE FEELING PRESSURED BY WHAT'S COMING UP IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS OR NEXT MONTH.
UM, THAT IS NOT WHAT BELONGS HERE.
WHAT BELONGS HERE IS DOING THE BUSINESS OF THE TOWN AND NOT SPECULATION AND ACCUSATIONS.
SHE SAID, SO I THEN I'M STILL WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE THE SAME TIME LIMIT OF FIVE MINUTES IN RESPONSE AFTER THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
ISN'T THAT, I'M SORRY, THAT'S NOT IN THE RULES.
SO THEN WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO, TO ADJUST.
WE WOULD NEED TO DO THAT IF EVERYONE, IF WE HAVE, SO WAIT, WE WOULD NEED TO ADJUST THE RULES BASED ON THE SUPPORT OF THREE OF THE BOARD.
SO BASICALLY WHAT I'M GONNA DO, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE, UM, IS YOU SAID THAT I SHOULD SPEAK LIST? UH, NO, YOU CAN.
NO, YOU SUGGESTED THE LAST MEETING THAT I SPEAK LIST, YES, MM-HMM
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO GOING FORWARD IS AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE MADE MM-HMM
BUT EVERYBODY, AND YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY IS GONNA STAY WITH WITHIN THE FIVE MINUTE, YOU KNOW, LIMIT MM-HMM
UM, THEN I WILL THEN, UH, UH, DO MY BEST TO RESPECT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT.
BUT YOU ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS FIVE MINUTES AS WELL.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'LL SPEAK QUICKLY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S FINE.
I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS GREAT.
I KNOW BECAUSE IF YOU, AND YOU'RE THE ONE THAT PROPOSES THAT HE SPEAKS LESS MM-HMM
WELL, DO YOU WANT ME TO CLARIFY WHY THAT IS? IF HE SAID, IF HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS FACTUALLY NOT TRUE, WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR REBUTTING THAT FACTUALLY NOT TRUE STATEMENT? WE CAN'T CORRECT EVERYTHING ON THE RECORD, FRANCIS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU, YOU ARE VERY SPECIFIC AND EXACTING AND DETAILED ABOUT THOSE THINGS, AND THAT'S GREAT.
BUT THE RECORD HAS BEEN STATED OFTEN BY US AS WELL.
AND THEN THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.
BUT IS THAT FAIR TO HAVE THAT FALSE RECORD OUT THERE AND IT NOT BE CORRECTED? IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT.
THERE'S A LOT OF I'M, I'M ASKING.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT GOES OUT THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT ALL THE TIME.
THAT, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO CORRECT ALL OF THAT.
I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE OUR, OUR RESPONSES SHOULD BE IN, IN RESPONSE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, NOT IN RESPONSE TO WHAT EACH OTHER IS SAYING.
BUT IF WE'RE WRONG, WE, WELL THEN WE WILL GO ON ON THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT, BUT THAT'S NOT FAIR TO GIVE WRONG INFORMATION OUT.
LIKE THAT'S WHAT THINK FRANCIS GAVE WRONG INFORMATION OUT WHAT? DUE DUE DILIGENCE IS THAT? WHAT DUE DILIGENCE IS THAT, THAT THAT'S, I WAS WRONG.
WHICH WAS THAT WHAT? IT WAS DISGUSTING, LIKE YOU SAID ABOUT IT.
WHICH, WHICH, WHICH, WHICH, WHAT WAS FALSE? WHAT DID HE SAY? WHAT WAS FALSE? I THINK YOU AGREED.
SO NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE BUSTED.
YOU WERE JUST BASICALLY JUST BEING VERY CONDESCENDING, VERY, UH, WHAT WAS FALSE? YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I, ALL I'M SAYING IS ALL I WANTED TO SAID SAID, REMEMBER FALSE COMMENTS BECAUSE BA RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THOSE COMMENTS WERE SO OFFENSIVE TO ME, I WANTED TO RESPOND, COMMENT, AND YOU SHUT ME UP AND I DIDN'T WANT TO BE SHUT UP.
SO ALL I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW IS THE BOARD BASICALLY VOTED SAID AFTER I WAS SPEAKING, THEY ALL WALKED OUT AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T, I CAN'T RESPOND.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS IN THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE GOING FORWARD, THERE'S REALLY TWO CHOICES.
MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE NOT TO HAVE A POLICY AND BASICALLY LET ANYBODY RESPOND.
JUST LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE YOU MAY THINK I'M WRONG.
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I COULD, IF I THINK YOU'RE WRONG OR GIVING INACCURATE INFORMATION OR DAMAGING THE TOWN BY PUTTING ONLY NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT THE TOWN, UM, UH, OR HURTING THE PROPERTY VALUES, I HAVE A RIGHT TO RESPOND.UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU THINK I'M DOING SOMETHING THAT'S WRONG, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO RESPOND.
IT'S IF THE MEETINGS ARE GONNA TAKE 10, 15 MINUTES LONGER AND EVERYBODY COULD SAY WHAT THEY WANT, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE DONE ALL THE TIME, THAT'S DEMOCRACY.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALL HAVE TO AGREE.
WE PERHAPS WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE, PERHAPS TO, WHAT I SHOULD SUGGEST IS WE DON'T HAVE TO AGREE SOME POLICIES FOR YOU TO CONSIDER SINCE AN OCCURRING THEME.
AT LEAST WHAT HAS BEEN APPARENT TO THE PUBLIC IN DISCUSSIONS IS THAT, UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS SPEAK OVER ONE ANOTHER QUITE CONSISTENTLY.
AND SO THAT SHOULD POTENTIALLY BE A CONSIDERATION FOR MAYBE ADOPTING TO YOUR RULES.
AND I CAN COME UP WITH SOME OTHER, UH, PURPORTED CHANGES THAT YOU CAN EVALUATE, UM, AT A FUTURE MEETING AS FAR AS DISCUSSION TIME LIMITS, REBUTTAL PERIODS, ET CETERA.
UM, MADAM ATTORNEY, JUST A VERY QUICK QUESTION REGARDING PROTOCOL.
SO WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH, UH, THE RESOLUTIONS, UM, I DO NOT GET, I GET A, UH, ACTION TO, UM, THE, UH, TO, UM, UH, A MOTION.
I WILL GET, I WILL NOT GET A SECOND, BUT YET I GET DISCUSSION.
WELL, THAT CAN'T BE BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO'S CHAIRING IT NEEDS TO WAIT FOR A SECOND BEFORE THERE'S DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR.
SO PAUL, TRY TO REMEMBER TO GET A SECOND BEFORE YOU START DISCUSSION.
IS ANY DISCUSS? YEAH, WE'LL JUST LET THE PALMAR THANK YOU.
UH, WELL, UH, THIS WAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION MATTER.
UM, I I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE YOU SAID PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL WHEN YOU EMAILED ME.
UH, NO, SHE SAID PRIVILEGE, PRIVILEGE AND CONFIDENTIAL BECAUSE SHE'S AN ATTORNEY AND THAT'S ATTORNEY CLIENT.
SO BASICALLY JUST THE SAME THING THOUGH, RIGHT? SO THE QUESTION, WHAT, WHAT IS IT? SHOULD THIS BE EXECUTIVE SESSION OR OPEN SESSION? DEPENDS ON NO IDEA WHAT HE'S, WHAT HE'S REFERENCING OR SO
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S, IT'S UM, UH, LESS TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT.
I, WE'VE ALWAYS LET, UM, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS, UM, SPEAK TO THE MEDIA.
UM, I DON'T FEEL THAT THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SHOULD BE, UH, CENSORING WHAT GOES OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND, UM, OR, OR CONTROLLING, UH, THE NEWS THAT IS BEING, UM, UH, DISTRIBUTED TO THE PUBLIC.
AND CERTAINLY AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I WILL, I, AS AN AND CHIEF ELECTED OFFICIAL, IF A REPORTER CALLS ME, I'M NOT GONNA GO TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND ASK THEM FOR PERMISSION TO SPEAK.
THAT'S NEVER BEEN WHERE OPPOSED, IT'S, IT'S REGARDING DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEIR STAFF STAFF.
AND IT'S, EXCUSE ME IF I JUST FINISH FOR ONE SECOND.
I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS PEOPLE SPEAKING OVER ONE ANOTHER.
UM, SO A PART OF THAT ISSUE IS THAT STAFF HAVE FELT PRESSURED TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY.
AS IS THE CASE WITH MANY MUNICIPALITIES AND GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, THEY DO HAVE A POLICY OF RUNNING IT THROUGH A PR DEPARTMENT.
OR SOMEONE THAT WOULD ACT AS COUNSEL AS TO WHAT'S APPROPRIATE TO RESPOND AS FAR AS TOWN BUSINESS.
NOT THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AS FAR AS PERSONAL SPEECH, BUT REGARDING TOWN BUSINESS, WHICH IS APPROPRIATE.
AND IF YOU WANNA DISCUSS THE LEGALITY, THEN YES, I DO ADVISE IT.
AND I JUST WANNA ADD ONE THING.
UM, THIS IS TO PROTECT STAFF BECAUSE STAFF HAVE, UH, BEEN, UH, APPROACHED, APPROACHED BY THE MEDIA AND DEPENDING ON THEIR PER, YOU REALLY NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES STAFF ARE IN A, UH, PERSONAL SITUATION WHERE THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RESPOND OR MAY NOT HAVE SEEN AN EMAIL OR GOTTEN A PHONE CALL FROM SOMEONE IN THE PRESS.
AND THEN THAT'S INTERPRETED AS WITHHOLDING INFORMATION THAT SHOULD NEVER FALL UPON STAFF.
AND THAT HAS HAPPENED AND THAT IS WRONG.
AND WE SHOULD BE PROTECTING OUR STAFF BY NOT PUTTING THEM IN THE SPOT WHERE THEY HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY RESPOND TO SOMETHING THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS OR, OR ISN'T.
THEY DON'T KNOW, UH, ANYTHING ABOUT THIS.
JUST LIKE YOU HAD SOMEONE COME IN AND INVADE THE, WITH THE CAMERA CAME, CAME IN AND CORRECT.
SO IN THAT SITUATION, THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF UNLESS YOU THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.
WELL, BASICALLY MY IMPRESSION OF THIS IS IT'S A DIRECT RESPONSE TO DAVID WILSON'S ARTICLE, UM, UH, CRITICIZING THE TOWN BOARD FOR TAKING, UH, THE HEALTHCARE BIO 20.
IT'S INDIRECT RESPONSE, 20 RESPONSE BECAUSE YOU GOT A NEGATIVE ARTICLE, ARTICLE WHERE, AND THEN DAY NOW YOU'RE TALKING POLITICALLY,
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THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT SOMETHING NEGATIVE HAS EVER HELD, HIT THIS TOWN, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT HIS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES IN PLACE.THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN COUNCILWOMAN, SORRY.
COUNCILWOMAN HABER JUST EXPLAINED.
SHE'S AND JUST WHAT, UM, DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY, UM, AMANDA JUST EXPLAINED.
FIRST DEPUTY, FIRST DOWN, FIRST NUMBER ONE DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY JUST EXPLAINED THAT IT IS, THIS IS NOT ON, THIS IS NOT UNHEARD OF.
THIS IS SOMETHING ACROSS THE BOARD AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
THERE'S ALWAYS, YOU GO TO ANY WEBSITE, ANY ME MEDIA INQUIRIES, PLEASE EMAIL HERE.
THIS IS NOTHING OUT OF THE ORDINARY.
THIS IS NOT A CENSORSHIP OF YOU.
WELL, YOU'RE NOT, LET ME FINISH.
THIS IS NOT, IT'S A, IT, IT'S A CENSORSHIP OF, UH, SO THIS IS, LEMME JUST FINISH.
THIS IS A CENSORSHIP ARTICLE BOARD.
THIS IS NOT A CENSORSHIP OF YOU.
WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE IS PROTECT AGAIN, AS WE ALWAYS DO, OUR EMPLOYEES, BECAUSE AGAIN, AS KATE COUNCILWOMAN HABER JUST EXPLAINED, WE DO NOT WANNA PUT THEM IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY, THEY'RE FORCED TO ANSWER AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO APPROPRIATELY ANSWER.
SO WE TAKE THAT, WE TAKE THAT ONUS FROM THEM AND WE MANAGE IT CORRECTLY.
NO ONE IS FORBIDDING, NO ONE IS FORBIDDING RESPONSE.
AND AS, AS THE ATTORNEY SAID THAT IT IS FREEDOM OF PRESS AND FREEDOM OF EXPRESSING PERSONAL OPINION ARE ONE THING FOR TOWN BOARD AND THE TOWN AS A WHOLE.
IF, IF PEOPLE ARE IN A POSITION TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT THEY ARE NOT CLEAR ABOUT AS TO WHAT IS PERMISSIBLE VIS-A-VIS WHAT SHOULD BE PROTECTED SPEECH, THEY SHOULD NOT BE FORCED INTO BEING RESPONSIVE.
BUT, BUT MORE, BUT AS MUCH THAT THERE'S ALSO THE SITUATION WHICH JUST OCCURRED IN THAT ARTICLE WHERE A TOWN STAFF PERSON WAS NOT AWARE OF AN EMAIL AND IT WAS CHARACTERIZED BY DAVID MCKAY WILSON AS WITHHOLDING INFORMATION THAT IS, THAT IS CASTING ASPERSION ON THAT PERSON'S REPUTATION AND THEIR WORK.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT THE, THAT WE NEED A FREE PRESS.
I FEEL WE NEED, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? I FEEL WE NEED SCRUTINY.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? WHAT I JUST SAID? IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? I I'M ASKING YOU A DIRECT QUESTION.
I BASICALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD DO ANYTHING.
I'M ASKING YOU A DIRECT QUESTION.
DO IF I'M SCRUTINIZING TOWN GOVERNMENT IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT EMPLOYEE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS THAT DAVID DID ANYTHING WRONG TO ANY TOWN EMPLOYEE.
DO YOU AGREE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT LINE? DID YOU READ IT? DID YOU READ? I READ, I READ THE ARTICLE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT LINE I'M TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY? WELL THAT YOU GOT $20,000.
YOU GETTING THOUSAND NO SUPERVISOR, YOU GOT A 20,000 BUYOUT.
WHY DO YOU INSIST ON USING THIS TO POLITICIZE TIME ALSO? NO, WHAT I JUST THINK THAT, I THINK THAT BASICALLY THAT THE BOARD, IS IT ACCEPTABLE? IS IT ACCEPTABLE? JUST, JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION.
WE HAVE AN EMPLOYEE WHO WAS CHARACTERIZED IN A ONLINE NEWSPAPER THAT WENT FAR AS WITHHOLDING INFORMATION.
SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION AND HER, THE PERSON'S NAME WAS PUT OUT THERE AS WITHHOLDING INFORMATION THAT PERSON HAD NO OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE.
I THINK THAT, UH, I WOULD, I'M GONNA ENCOURAGE ALL DEPARTMENT HEADS TO SPEAK TO THE MEDIA AND THEN THEY WON'T GET, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DEPARTMENT HEADS.
WHEN I'M, IF, IF I GET REELECTED, THE MEDIA COULD CALL ME OR DAVID WILSON COULD CALL ME.
WE'RE TALKING INFORMATION IMMEDIATELY IS NOT PROTECT IS NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU TO BE GRANDSTANDING OR ELECTIONEERING IS, THIS IS NOT ELECTIONEERING.
IT'S NOT TRANS CO LESS TRANSPARENT AND IT'S BASICALLY, I'M SORRY, EMPLOYEE.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE, SURE WE PROTECT, DISAGREES WITH YOU.
YOU TRY CUTTING THEM OFF, WHETHER NOTHING TO DO WITH MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, YOU GOT RID OF THE PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T, THEY DISAGREED WITH YOU.
THE PLANNING BOARD IS WORKING BETTER THAN EVER AND WE'RE, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT OUT AND WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT OUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
WHAT DOES THE PLAN BOARD HAVE TO DO WITH THIS? WHEN YOU TALK OVER, WHEN YOU KEEP TALKING OVER THE, THE RULES COULD BE VERY SIMPLE.
NO ONE CAN TALK OVER ANYONE WHEN THE PERSON IS DONE.
AND FROM, FRANKLY, IF YOU WANNA PUT A FIVE MINUTE LIMIT ON WHATEVER, I DON'T CARE.
WHEN THE PERSON IS DONE, THEN OTHERS GET TO SPEAK.
AND THEN UNTIL IT'S YOUR TURN AGAIN TO SPEAK, YOU DON'T SPEAK.
BUT YOU DID THE SAME THING AT A, AT A COMMITTEE MEETING WHERE YOU AND WHERE PEOPLE CAME OUT TO OUR TOWN HALL FROM FAIRVIEW DISTRICT LEADERS SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD BE BETTER ON THE, ON THE DAY AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER.
AND AT A SEPARATE MEETING HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOWN BOARD,
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YOU CREATED CHAOS.AND THE PERSON WHO WAS INITIATING THAT RECOG RECORD RECOGNIZE THERE'S ONE COMMON DENOMINATOR AND DYSFUNCTION ON THIS BOARD AND IT'S YOU.
WHAT'S NEXT? OKAY, SO THE NEXT THING THAT I, NO, WE'RE NOT DONE.
UM, YOU HAD SOME LANGUAGE THAT YOU HAD PROPOSED.
UH, DID EVERYONE LOOK AT THAT LANGUAGE? DID YOU, I DON'T IF YOU HAD ANY OPPORTUNITY.
I THOUGHT THAT, LOOK IT AGAIN.
DO WE HAVE IT IN THE PACKAGE HERE? OH, I DON'T KNOW.
WHY DON'T WE, UH, REVISIT IT AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT ON THAT'S FINE.
WE, WE HAVE TO PUT PROCESS ON FACEBOOK.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE, UM, THE HEALTHCARE BUYOUT, UM, I'M WONDERING IF, UH, ANY BOARD MEMBER WOULD BE WILLING TO VOLUNTARILY GIVE IT UP, BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC IS REALLY OUTRAGED.
THERE'S, UH, WE GOT AN EMAIL FROM, UH, THE CONTROLLER THAT THE ONLY PART-TIME EMPLOYEE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T SEE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
WE ALL AGREED LAST WEEK THAT WE WERE GONNA, THAT WE DELIBERATE THIS PROCESS AND WE WILL, RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS ALL, ALL THESE YEARS.
HAVE AND THE BOARD DID THE NUMBERS.
HAVE YOU A PROPOSAL? HAVE A PROPOSAL? YEAH, MY PROPOSAL.
WHAT PROPOSAL IS, UH, THAT, UH, AS A FIRST STEP THAT EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD WHO IS UM, WHO HAS HEALTH INSURANCE FROM, UH, FROM EITHER THE COUNTY OR STATE, UH, UH, REF REFUSE, UH, I DO APOLOGIZE.
I THINK WE NEED A VOTE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO CONSIDER AT MEETING THAT.
AND THEN I ALSO AM ASKING, EXCUSE ME, AFTER THAT IS DONE.
SO IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, WE NEED A VOTE TO CONSIDER THAT AT THIS MEETING.
WELL, WE, THE RULES TO MAKE A MOTION HAVE FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING PERSONNEL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.
BEFORE THAT, BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT, I JUST WANTED ASK ABOUT THE GLENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT.
UH, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SETTLED THE CONTRACT IN THREE YEARS.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF, UH, WHEN IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, SO IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.