* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING, ALL THIS IS THE ZONING BOARD. AND MADAM SECRETARY, CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL FOR THE BOARD? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN OUR ROLL CALL EVE. BUNTING SMITH. HERE IS PRESENT. CHRISTIE NECK IS ABSENT. LOUIS KLOW HERE IS PRESENT. DIANE HUBLEY HERE IS PRESENT. WILLIAM BLAND IS ABSENT. SHAUNA DUNCANSON IS ABSENT. PETER BLAIR HERE IS PRESENT. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR ROLL CALL. MADAM CHAIR PRESENT PRESENTLY EXISTS. UH, VACU A MEMBER OF THE PERMANENT MISSING. WE'RE MISSING A MEMBER OF THE PORT, OH MY GOODNESS, I'M SORRY, VACANCY IN THE NUMBER OF THE PERMANENT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. IN LIGHT OF THAT VACANCY, I HEREBY DESIGNATE PETER BLAIR OR ALTERNATE ALTERNATE MEMBER TONIGHT TO VOTE ON ANY MATTER THAT REQUIRES A VOTE AT TONIGHT'S, TONIGHT'S MEETING, THE MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD. THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. WE HAVE FIVE CASES SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, HOWEVER, CASE 25 36, WHICH IS AT I ONE LOST ONE. LAWSON LEY ARDSLEY ONE LAWSON STREET. LAWRENCE. LAWRENCE, YOU'RE RIGHT, IS AWAITING SECRET. UH, DE SECRET D DIMENSION. MEETING DETERMIN. DETERMINATION. DETERMINATION, ATION. OKAY. BY THE TOWN BOARD. UM, SO WE VOTE TO ADJOURN TO MEETING OF JULY 16TH AND THE NEXT CASE, CASE 26 0 6 SELECT HOLDING LLC 86 DRUMMER ROAD ROAD IS PENDING THE TOWN BOARD REVEAL REVIEW OF THE TOWN CODE DEFINITION OF FAMILY. THEREFORE, ZBA WILL VOTE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING OF TO EIGHT, I'M SORRY, TO JUNE 18TH, 2026. LOOKING FORWARD, THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING AT JUNE 18TH. PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDAR ACCORDINGLY. WE MAY LIMIT TIME TO HEAR EACH CASE, BUT IF WE CANNOT FINISH HEARING A CASE, IT MAY BE ADJOURNED TO ANOTHER MEETING TO BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME, AS IN THE PAST. IN ORDER TO SAVE TIME, WE WAIVED THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT IN EACH CASE. HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD. THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TONIGHT'S CASES, THE BOARD WILL MEET TO DISCUSS EACH CASE. EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO SPEAK AT THAT TIME OR PARTICIPATE AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS. ON ALL CASES, WE WILL ANNOUNCE THEN THE BOARD'S DECISION FOR THE FORMAL RECORD AND TO BE BROADCAST TO THE COMMUNITY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, PLEASE COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. STATE YOUR STATE, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION. WE HAVE HEARD TESTIMONY ON TWO OF THESE CASES AT PRIOR MEETINGS. ALL PRIOR TESTIMONY IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD AND SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED. THE FIRST CASE WE WILL HEAR TESTIMONY ON TONIGHT IS CASE 26 0 7 P AGAIN, 70 TIME. OKAY. ARD. ARD AT 74 ARDSLEY ROAD. HI, HOW ARE YOU? FINE. JUST, UH, ONE, ONE SECOND BEFORE WE START. DO WE NEED TO MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE ONLY HAVE FOUR PEOPLE, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A UNANIMOUS DECISION? WELL, IT'S UP. THAT'S A MATTER OF DISCRETION ON THE BOARD. OKAY. DO WE WANT TO MAKE THAT NOTICE OR? WELL, I WOULD AND DO WE HAVE TO VOTE TO ADJOURN? YEAH, WE'D HAVE TO VOTE TO DO IT. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES, GO AHEAD. UM, HI. SO IT GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS AGAIN. SO, SINCE WE LAST SPOKE, UH, WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO, I GUESS I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARKS, UH, BOARD AND REVIEW MY PROJECTS WITH THEM. UH, THEY PROVIDED A LETTER THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED, UM, THAT INDICATES THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND THEIR, UM, [00:05:01] I, I GUESS, BLESSING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OTHER, UM, UH, ZONING ADVISORY AND THE OTHER ADVISORY REPORTS REQUIRED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MY PROJECT. UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MODIFICATIONS THAT THEY WERE REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR ME TO MOVE FORWARD. PLEASE. BEST I UNDERSTAND, UM, I HAVE GIVEN THEM A LETTER. THEY INDICATED HOW MUCH OF THE EXISTING BARN I'M ATTEMPTING TO, UH, RECLAIM AND REUSE THROUGHOUT MY PROJECT. UM, THEY CAME ON SITE, THEY VISITED THE PROPERTY, GOT A CHANCE TO, UH, SPEAK WITH ME, GOT A CHANCE TO GO AROUND THE PROPERTY. SO I, I THINK, UM, THEY ARE SATISFIED. I'M CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THEM IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY NEED. BUT AT THIS POINT, THERE WERE NO CHANGES TO THE PLANS FROM WHAT I PROVIDED, UH, DURING OUR PREVIOUS SESSION. SO ARE YOU ABLE TO GO FORWARD OR NOT? I, I BELIEVE I CAN. UH, WE WERE WAITING FOR, UH, THE ZONING, THE, FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR BOARD TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE. WE HAD TO ADD SOME DORMERS ONTO THE SECOND FLOOR IN ORDER TO GIVE ACCESS, UH, TO MAINTAIN ACCESS TO THE SECOND STORY LOFT THAT'S IN THE BARN. UM, THAT WAS WHAT THE VARIANCE WAS THAT WAS BEING REQUESTED. UM, I'D WALKED THROUGH, UM, WHAT I REQUIRED AND WHAT WAS NEEDED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT. UM, AND SO WHAT WAS ASKED OF ME WAS TO ADJOURN UNTIL THIS MEETING AFTER I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC LANDMARKS FOLKS, UH, IN CASE THEY HAD ANY CHANGES. AND, AND THEY HAVE NOT REQUESTED THAT I HAVE ANY, BEFORE I GO BACK IN FRONT OF YOU FOLKS HERE, THEY HAD GIVEN YOU A LETTER OF WHAT, UH, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR ROUGHLY MM-HMM . AND THEN THE SUMMARY OF THE MATERIALS THAT WERE, THAT WERE EXPECTED TO BE RETAINED OR REPURPOSED MM-HMM . CORRECT? YES. AND IS THAT SUMMARY WHAT YOU SUMMARIZED OR WHAT THEY SUMMARIZED? THEY PROVIDED A LETTER STATING THAT THESE WERE THE ITEMS THEY WANTED ME TO EXPLORE MY BEST OF MY ABILITY TO RETAIN THEM, WHAT MY LIST OF RETAINED MATERIALS WOULD BE. UM, I WENT BACK AND REPLIED, BASED ON BOTH THE CONDITION OF THE VARIOUS ITEMS THAT THEY REQUESTED AND, UM, ITEMS I WAS HOPING I COULD MAYBE REPLICATE OR, OR KEEP, UM, OUT OF THE DESIGN OF THE EXISTING BARN. SO, UH, YOU SHOULD HAVE MY RESPONSE. I SENT IT, UM, A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN SENT TO YOUR INBOXES THIS MORNING. MADAM CHAIR? YES. IF MAY MAY INTERRUPT FOR JUST A MOMENT. UM, YES, THERE ARE TWO LETTERS. THERE'S ONE LETTER FROM, UM, THE HISTORIC BOARD TO, UM, MR. GUTTER. AND IN THAT LETTER, THE, UH, HISTORIC BOARD WROTE THAT THEY ARE OKAY WITH HIM MOVING FORWARD. AND THEY MADE RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS FAR AS MATERIALS THAT HE WOULD RETAIN AND MAYBE USE ON THE PROPERTY AND ASK THAT HE WRITE A LETTER TO THE HISTORIC BOARD, PRETTY MUCH SUMMARIZING WHAT HE'S GOING TO, UH, USE AND WHAT HE WILL NOT USE. HE DID DO THAT, AND I DID FORWARD A COPY OF THAT LETTER EARLIER TODAY. I WAS OUT OF THE OFFICE YESTERDAY AND, UM, I LEFT THAT, EMAILED THAT TO YOU THIS MORNING AND ALSO PUT COPIES OF IT IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, BEFORE THIS MEETING. UH, SO I SAW THAT TO BE A RELATIVELY, UH, GOOD RESPONSE. UM, I DID SEE THOUGH THAT YOU WOULD PREFER IT TO PAINT IT WHITE TO MATCH YOUR CURRENT, UH, STRUCTURES AND NOT, UM, LEAVE IT THE NATURAL, UH, WOOD COLOR THAT'S THERE AND HAS BEEN THERE FOR YEARS, UH, ON END. SO I GUESS THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD PAINT, CAN PAINT IT WHITE OR LEAVE IT, UH, A NATURAL COLOR IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO ALLOW YOU TO MOVE FORWARD. SO TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE PERSPECTIVE ON THAT, UH, EXTERIOR SHEATHING, IT'S CEDAR SHAKE, SO IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY SIDING. I I CAN'T EVEN PAINT IT. IT'S ALL GONNA HAVE TO BE REMOVED NO MATTER WHAT. UM, AFTERWARDS, I NEED TO PUT, I PLAN ON USING CLAPBOARD, WHICH IS FAIRLY COMMON, UH, FOR BARNS. UM, AT LEAST WHERE I GREW UP, IT WAS FAIRLY COMMON. UM, AND WHITE IS NOT AN UNKNOWN COLOR, TYPICALLY IT'S OFF WHITE, BUT I WANTED TO MATCH THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, SO IT'D BE ACTUALLY WHITE. UH, BUT BEYOND THAT, THE, THE, THE EXISTING MATERIAL IS, IS CEDAR SHAKE FROM ANYWHERE BETWEEN 50 TO A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. THERE'S BEEN REPLACEMENT THROUGHOUT VARIOUS DAMAGE ACROSS THE ENTIRE THING SO THAT IT'S IN NO STATE TO RETAIN. EVERYTHING WOULD BE NEW REGARDLESS. UM, [00:10:01] I'M THINKING THAT THE COLOR HONESTLY MATCHES MORE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE HOUSE ITSELF WOULD LOOK MORE IN PLACE WHILE STILL RETAINING THE BARN QUALITIES. AND SO THEY DID MAKE A STRONG RECOMMENDATION, UM, BUT THEY DID NOT, AT LEAST FROM MY READING OF THE LETTER, THEY DID NOT MANDATE IT IF, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT TERM. UM, YES, THAT, THAT'S CORRECT. THEY DIDN'T MANDATE, UM, ANYTHING JUST, UM, HIGHLY RECOMMEND. YEAH. AND, UH, I SAW YOUR RESPONSE AND, UM, I CONSIDERED IT TO BE A VERY GOOD RESPONSE. THANK YOU. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THAT RESOLVES IT. I BELIEVE IT DOES, ED. I BELIEVE IT DOES, DOESN'T IT RESOLVE IT? I MEAN, IF WE, WE CAN ALLOW HIM TO CHANGE THE COLOR. NEITHER BOARD IS AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE IN THE TOWN. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF PERSONAL PREFERENCE, BUT NOT A REQUIREMENT. YOU, YOU'RE NOT GRANTING A VARIANCE, BUT TO PERMIT IT TO BE WHITE AS OPPOSED TO A DIFFERENT, UH, NATURAL COLOR. IT'S JUST THE PREFERENCE OF THE BOARD. THE HISTORIC BOARD WAS FOR THE DARKER COLOR, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS AN, AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT. SO THE ONLY THING IN FRONT OF THE BOARD RIGHT NOW IS AN AREA VARIANCE? CORRECT. CHANGING THE HEIGHT FROM A 12 FOOT HEIGHT, WHICH IS PERMITTED TO A, UH, ALMOST 19 FOOT HEIGHT, WHICH I GUESS IS THE ADDING OF THE DORMERS. AND NO, NOT THE DORMERS. THE EXISTING ROOF IS MUCH HIGHER THAN 12 FEET. UM, IT'S JUST THAT BECAUSE WE, THE, THE WAY THE MATH WORKS, IT DOESN'T AVERAGE. SO WHEN THE DORMER GETS ADDED IN, THE AVERAGE HEIGHT GOES UP FROM, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IT'S, IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT THAT MEANINGFUL. 'CAUSE THE BARN ITSELF IS OVER 20 FEET TALL STANDING TODAY. OKAY. IT'S JUST THAT BECAUSE THE ANGLE OF THE ROOF, THE MATH MAKES IT FOR HOW THE TOWN CALCULATES IT LOOK DIFFERENT. I'M NOT INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE BARN IN ANY, ANY ABSOLUTE MATTER. AND, AND I, OH, GO AHEAD. OH, OH, SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S RIGHT. THE ONLY AREA VARIANCE IS CHANGING FROM 12 FEET TO 18.9 FEET IN HEIGHT. YEAH. AND I THINK I REMEMBER FROM LAST TIME THAT IF YOU WERE NOT TO PUT THE DORMERS ON, WHICH WAS WHAT RAISES THE AVERAGE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT STAIRS INSIDE AND THEN IT WOULDN'T BE FEASIBLE TO ACTUALLY DO THE WORK AND YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SAVE THE BARN. UH, TWO PARTS ACTUALLY. NOT JUST THE STAIRS, BUT YOU LOSE ACCESS TO THE SECOND FLOOR. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE ARE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE THAT REQUIRES EIGHT FEET OF HEIGHT. YEAH. AND WITH THAT, THE, BECAUSE OF THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, YOU WOULD HAVE VERY LITTLE ABILITY TO, TO GO UPSTAIRS. SO YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, THING THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THIS? NO. NOTHING. NO. ANYONE HERE TONIGHT WISH TO SPEAK TO? I SEE HEADS NODDING. YEAH, I SEE HEADS NODDING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR CASE. OH, OKAY. OKAY. UM, ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE THAT UP AT OUR DELIBERATIONS. ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD? NO. I'M OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO DO MY BEST HERE TO SAVE THE BARN, SO I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY FEEDBACK THAT'S REQUIRED TO, TO GET THIS PROJECT MOVING. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND THE NEXT CASE TONIGHT IS CASE 26 0 1 MARCELLO OR ATLANTA? 1 46 PROSPECT AVENUE. COME UP PLEASE. HI. YEAH. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I CAN SAY, BUT THEY HAVE LETTER FOR THE CHICKEN CUPS AND I SAY I TRIED TO GET A PYRAMID 'CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE CHICKENS I HAVE FOR MY KIDS. SO THEY PLAY WITH HIM. SO [00:15:01] I DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE TO REMOVE FROM THAT. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU BRING THE MIC DOWN TO, OH, OKAY. YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'M SORRY. JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. OH, MY NAME IS MARC . UH, I'M FROM 1 4 6 PROSPER. UM, BUT FOR CHICKEN COS AND THE CHICKEN COS AND I SAY IS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IT AND TRY TO GET A PERMIT TO HAVE IT. 'CAUSE I DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, IT'S FOR MY WIFE. IT'S A LITTLE SPECIAL. BUT I THINK THAT THEY PLAY AROUND WITH HIM AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. HOW DID YOU GET, HOW DID YOU GET THE, UH, CHICKEN CUPS? HOW DID I GET IT? HOW, YES. I MEAN, DID YOU MAKE THEM OR DID YOU WELL, I BOUGHT IT. YOU ORDERED THEM? YES. AND UM, HOW MANY CHICKENS DO YOU HAVE? WELL, I THINK SIX, SEVEN. BUT SMALL ONES NOT A BIG, THAT'S LIKE, OH, THEY'RE SMALL BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUNG OR, OR THEY'RE SMALL BECAUSE THEY'RE SMALL CHICKENS. . YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IS YOU GUYS NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IT, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO RENEW, SO I'LL ACCEPT YOU GUYS. I SEND PICTURES AND THEY, THEY, THEY NOT DANGEROUS TO. YEAH. HAVE YOU HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS? NO. ALRIGHT. NOBODY GETS COMPLAINTS WITH, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN THEIR OWN SPACE, EVERYTHING. THEY NOT IN THE TRIP. SAY THAT AGAIN. YEAH, THEY HAVE, THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SPACE. THEY NOT WORKING OUTSIDE TO, TO GET DANGEROUS TO, SO, SO YOU STARTED COLLECTING, UM, THESE CHICKENS WITHOUT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE AGAINST THE TOWN ORDINANCE AND THEN THIS WAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION. YES. YES. UM, AND WHO BROUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION? UH, DECEMBER LETTER. I DON'T KNOW TO, I'M SORRY, A LETTER SENT A LETTER. OH, A LETTER FROM THE TOWN? YEAH. OKAY. UM, SO THEN OF COURSE, TO MY OWN CURIOSITY, WHY ARE YOU COLLECTING CHICKENS? YEAH. WHY IS NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE A CHICKENS THERE? THAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE CHICKENS ON IN THE PROPERTY. I HAVE TO REMOVE. DID I, DID I UNDERSTAND IF I, IF I MAY, THE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT BEFORE. HE, HE KEEPS THE CHICKENS FOR HIS SON'S RECREATIONAL USE TO PLAY WITH THE CHICKENS FOR HIS SON'S. WHAT? RECREATION TO PLAY WITH RECREATION? YEAH. OKAY. SO, SO THEY MUST COME OUT OF THE COOP, I ASSUME? YEAH. DO THEY ALWAYS STAY IN THE COOP? YES. SOMETIMES IT GO OUT, BUT THEY, GOING BACK, SO IN AUGUST 8TH, 2025, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RECEIVED A COMPLAINT OF, FOR THE CHICKENS WE'VE INVESTIGATED, FOUND THE CHICKEN COOP AND SEVERAL CHICKENS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE ISSUED THE VIOLATION NOTICE TO THE APPLICANT. WHAT WAS THE COMPLAINT THAT THEY MADE ABOUT THE CHICKENS? UM, THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES. THAT THERE'S A MULTIPLE NUMBER OF CHICKENS, UM, THAT THEY, UH, CREATING A LOT OF SMELL AND NOISE. DO YOU HAVE ANY ROOSTERS? NO. SO CURRENTLY THE TOWN IS, THE TOWN BOARD IS CONSIDERING RIGHT. ALLOWING, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE CHICKENS WITHIN THE TOWN, BUT THE TOWN IS CONSIDERING, UM, IF THAT GOES THROUGH, WOULD HIS PROP PROPERTY QUALIFY? WOULD IT BE OF SIZE? 'CAUSE I THINK IT'S, UM, ONLY LARGER SIZED PROPERTIES, CORRECT? YES. UM, AND WOULD THE COOP BE THAT HE HAS BE AN ALLOWABLE COOP? NO. IS IT JUST LIKE A FENCED IN AREA? THE THERE'S, AND AGAIN, IF THE PROPOSED, UM, ADOPTION TAKES PLACE FOR THE, THE CHICKENS, THERE'S AREA VARIANCES THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL ON THE PROPERTY. FOR THIS SIZE PROPERTY IT'S, I BELIEVE IT'S 20,000 OR 30,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. MINIMUM DISTANCE TO ANOTHER HOUSE TO THE COOP IS A HUNDRED FEET. OKAY. IT'S, UM, 30 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINES AND THE HOUSE. SO IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO HAVE, ALLOW CHICKENS ON A LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT ADJOINING NEIGHBORS. OKAY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE CURRENTLY ON AN AN R FIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH IS, UM, [00:20:01] RELATIVELY SMALL. AND THEN YOU ARE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO MINIMIZE A DISTANCE BETWEEN THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM EIGHT FEET, WHICH IS ALREADY PRETTY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO, UM, TWO FEET CLOSER OR SIX FEET. UM, I KNOW THAT NORMALLY THAT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A GREAT DIFFERENCE, UM, EXCEPT THAT YOU'RE ALREADY ON A RELATIVELY SMALL PIECE OF PROPERTY. SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS GOING TO BE, UM, DEBATING, UH, WHEN WE ARE DEBATING. BUT THE PROPERTY IS BIG. SO I SENT A PICTURE OF EVERYTHING TO THERE. IS THERE IS NOT CLOSE TO THE OTHER HOUSES? I DON'T KNOW EXCEPT YOU GUYS. THERE ARE ALWAYS I CAN SAY THAT. UM, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE SO CLOSE TO THE, UM, PROPERTY LINE? PROPERTY LINE? YES. BECAUSE THE WAY IN WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE PICTURE. YES, I KNOW, BUT THE WAY IN WHICH HE, HE PUTS THIS, YEAH. IF THIS IS CORRECT, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT CAN'T BE MOVED. JUST THE TWO FEET THAT, YOU KNOW, IN TIME. 'CAUSE THEY GO INTO THE GARAGE THIS WAY. AND, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WOULD'VE TO GRANT A USE VARIANCE. UM, WHICH USUALLY IS A VERY, UM, DIFFICULT PROCESS TO GO THROUGH. YEAH. LET'S SAY THE BEGINNING. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAY, SAY TO YOU GUYS, ANYTHING THEY TOLD ME THAT FROM THE BEGINNING. VERY HARD TO, TO HAVE THE PARENTS, YOUR HONOR. SO ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE DEBATE THIS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. NO. UH, PETER, YOU WANT PETER? I'M JUST TRYING TO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. YEAH. IS THIS DRAWN TO, TO SCALE? WELL, THE WAY HE HAS IT, I DON'T KNOW. HE'S TALKING ABOUT, HE'S GOT ME MEASUREMENTS HERE. UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHICKEN COOP IS AS BIG OR BIGGER THAN THE UH, THAT'S WHAT I'M WONDERING IF THAT YEAH. IS THE CHICKEN COOP AS BIG AS THE HOUSE? AS FAR AS, YEAH. IT'S BIG. RIGHT? YOU SENT A PICTURE? YES. SO THE, THE PICTURES DRAWN CORRECTLY? YES. BIG, JUST LIKE EIGHT, UH, 12 FEET. I NOT REMEMBER IF IT'S BIG. IT 18, CORRECT. THAT'S NOT 18. A BIG THE HOUSE. WELL, THE PLAN IS TO SCALE FROM THE TOWN. WELL REMEMBER IT HAS A RUN TOO. SO IT'S THE FENCED IN AREA. IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING OF THE COOP. IT'S NOT RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT A FENCED IN AREA AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE INSIDE COOP. MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. WELL WE HAD THOSE BEFORE. YEAH. YOU SEE THE, YOU SEE THE GAP OVER, OVER THE STORE? WHAT? YEAH, THE GAP OVER THE DOOR. YOU SEE IT WHEN THEY GO? WE HAVE A, THERE'S A PICTURE THAT SHOWS IT. YEAH. THE RUN IS NOT, IS NOT ON CEMENT. SO THINGS CAN DIG AND GET UNDERNEATH AND IT CAN ALSO GO UP. YEAH. YEAH. BUT USUALLY YOU PUT THEM INSIDE THE COOP AT NIGHT AND THEY'RE ONLY IN THAT AREA DURING THE DAY. BUT I DON'T KNOW. AND NORMALLY THEY, THEY ROOST, YOU KNOW? NO. DO YOU HAVE ANY EGGS THAT YOU GET? NO. [00:25:03] THEY DON'T ROOST. WHAT IS THIS PICTURE? I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. GO BACK. GO BACK. ONE, JUST ONE. THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE CHICKENS, CORRECT? YES. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A HOLE THAT'S SCRATCHING IT. OR IS THAT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT? NO, IT'S NOT. NO, IT'S NOT A HOLE. THEY HAVE NO STRUCTURES INSIDE THAT THEY, THEY SIT ON OR ANYTHING? NO, NO, NO. THERE. SO WHAT DO WE SEE HERE? IS THAT OUTSIDE THE COOP OR INSIDE THE COOP? INSIDE. THAT'S SO THEY, TO SLEEP IN THERE, THEY THEY LIVE THERE IN THE WINTER? YEAH. I HAVE A HEAT TO PUT THEM. I PUT A HEAT. HOW, HOW WHAT? I MEAN WHAT KIND OF HEAT? ELECTRIC HEATER OR SOMETHING? YES. AND I, I GOT CLOSE OF THE OH, YOU WRAPPED THE ENTIRE YEAH, I WRAPPED THIS IS THAT ONE. OH MY. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTION. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING COMING FROM, OTHER THAN WHAT, UM, WE'VE HEARD WITH, WITH HOW, HOW DID, HOW DID YOUR, UH, HOW OLD IS YOUR SON? UH, HE, HOW DID HE LEARN ABOUT CHICKENS? SAY AGAIN? HOW DID YOU DECIDE TO GET HIM CHICKENS AS OPPOSED TO A, A DOG? LIKE EVERYBODY, LIKE SOMEONE HAVE CATS, SOMEONE HAVE DOGS. YOU KNOW, FROM THE BEGINNING, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT HE'S NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IT. YOU KNOW, I'M NEW HERE IN THE TOWN AND WE, WE BUY TO, TO HAVE IT. WHAT? DID YOU HAVE CHICKENS AS A PET WHEN YOU WERE YOUNGER? YES. IN MY COUNTRY, YES. I, ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE ANY STATEMENT? YES. COME ON UP. YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. OH, YOU CAN SIT THERE AND WAIT. CORD HAMILTON HERE. WHAT'S YOUR FIRST ONE? CORD? COULD YOU JUST GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? JUST PULL. THANK YOU. AND, UH, 1 0 1 GIBSON. UM, I GREW UP, YOU KNOW, WITH CHICKENS RUNNING AROUND. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM. UM, I LOVE EGGS. MY FAMILY LOVES EGGS. HOWEVER, UM, I AM STRICTLY A PERSON THAT STANDS FIRMLY ON THE LAW. AND I HAVE SOME HANDOUTS FROM NEW YORK BACKYARD CHICKEN LAWS. WOULD ANYONE WANT TO SEE THEM? DO I, IS IT ALLOWED? JUST FROM A LITTLE RESEARCH THAT I DID. SO THE, BECAUSE I, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN GIVE US THAT WE COULD SEE? YEAH, SURE. I KNOW GREENBURG AND THE DIFF THE VILLAGES IN, IN GREENBURG HAVE THEIR OWN ZONING LAWS, WHICH, WHICH, UM, WAS POINT POINTED OUT ON THE, THE NOTICE THAT I GOT ABOUT THE VARIANCE. SO, BECAUSE I'M STRICTLY A PERSON WHO ALWAYS ENSURES THAT MY ACTIONS ARE LAWFUL, COMPLIANT AND RESPECTFUL OF THE LAW, I STAND FIRMLY, AS I MENTIONED, UM, WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I AGREE WITH. UM, THE REQUEST OR WHAT'S BEING ASKED IS MAKING THIS DISTANCE LESS THAN WHAT IS LAWFUL. I DON'T THINK I, I CAN AGREE TO THAT. 'CAUSE [00:30:01] THAT'S THE STATEMENT IN THE, SO WHAT'S YOUR PROXIMITY TO THE HOME IN QUESTION? I'M AT THE LINE. YEAH. OKAY. ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE COOP IS NOW? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, MAYBE. OKAY. UH, MAYBE TWO FEET. OKAY. SO THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. THE FIRST ONE IS THE STRUCTURE IS TOO CLOSE. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THEN IT IS ANOTHER VARIANT, A USE FOR THE CHICKENS. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE CHICKENS AT ALL RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THAT I, I DIDN'T KNOW. 'CAUSE SOMEONE TOLD ME IT WAS LEGAL IN GREENBURG AND I DIDN'T KNOW. SO WHEN I WENT LOOKING UP, I SAW THAT, WHICH I HANDED OUT. HOWEVER, AS IT STATES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, THE VILLAGES HAVE THEIR OWN ZONING LAWS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH, WITH, WITH, UM, WITH THIS ISSUE, IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE, UM, WHAT'S ALLOWED AND, UH, WELL, CURRENTLY THE PERMIT WAS, UH, THE PERMIT WAS OBTAINED. UH, CURRENTLY, UM, FOUL IS NOT ALLOWED IN, UM, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG MUCH LESS, I THINK THE COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER. SO, UM, WHO WAS IT THAT TOLD YOU THAT THERE IT WAS ALLOWED? I HAVE A SISTER WHO LIVES IN GREENBURG. WELL, SHE HAS CLOSE, UH, FRIENDS IN HARTSDALE. AND, AND THEY SAID, WELL, HARTSDALE, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM TO REAR CHICKENS. OH, SO IT WAS WORD OF MOUTH? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AS I LIVE IN HARTSDALE, AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE CHICKENS, SO THAT'S NOT TRUE. YEAH. I KNOW PEOPLE THAT LIVE, I WORKED WITH, I HAD COLLEAGUES THAT LIVED, UM, NORTH OF HERE SUMMER, YOU KNOW, PUTNAM COUNTY, AND THEY USED TO BRING, BRING EGGS FOR US. YEAH. SO WHAT THE TOWN IS CONSIDERING, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY IS GIVING VARIANCES BECAUSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAVE WANT THEIR OWN, LIKE HOME FRESH. THEY WANT EGGS. SO THEY'RE CONSIDERING, UM, MAKING IT LEGAL TO HAVE CHICKENS. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT. OKAY. AND ARE ROOSTERS ALLOWED? NO. NO. NO. AND I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE, RIGHT? NO. SO THE, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WILL ALLOW CHICKENS UP TO 10 ON A LOT. THAT'S 20,000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE. AND THEN THERE'LL BE, UM, VERY RESTRICTIVE SETBACKS FROM ANY COOPS. MANDATORY CLEANING REGISTRATION WITH ANIMAL CONTROL. UM, AND UH, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE WILL BE NO ROOSTERS ALLOWED AT ALL. ONLY FEMALE CHICKENS. , WE DON'T WANT THE, WE DON'T GET WOKEN UP IN THE MORNING . IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME AT NIGHT. YEAH. AND DURING THE DAY TOO, THEY, I HEAR ROOSTERS. WELL, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WISH TO SAY? UM, NO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SAYS, THAT'S BASICALLY MY, MY CONCERN AND THAT EVERYTHING'S LEGAL. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE. YOU, YOU'VE MADE THE PRESENTATION THAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF THIS BASED ON FOLLOWING THE RULES AS A NEIGHBOR. HAS THIS IMPACTED YOU? I, I CROWING THE CROWING ROOSTER. OH, THERE'S A CROWING ROOSTER. I HEAR ROOSTERS CRYING. I HEAR WHEN THE CHICKEN SLAY THEIR EGGS. UM, WELL, I GUESS I JUST, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE A NEIGHBOR. YOU JUST GAVE YOUR ADDRESS WITHOUT ANY RELATIONSHIP TO, UM, THIS PROPERTY. ARE YOU A NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR BEHIND THE, THE BEHIND THE, I'M SORRY, CAN I PLEASE BEHIND THE, THE, THE LINE, THE PROPERTY LINE? I THINK SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE'S THE FENCE BEHIND THE FENCE. OKAY. THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT BEHIND. YEAH. YEAH. PROPERTY LINE. THAT WAS WHAT I HAD ASKED EARLIER. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU'RE CLOSEST TO THE, SO THIS IS A SOUND ISSUE AS OPPOSED TO A SMELL ISSUE OR ANYTHING ELSE OF THAT NATURE AT TIMES? UH, ODOR AND NOISE. YEAH. IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS WANNA ALSO SPEAK, YOU [00:35:01] CAN COME UP AND SPEAK ALSO THAT IT'S FINE. YOU JUST NEED TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. I, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THE LEGALITIES THAT I'M REALLY HERE FOR. I, I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION IF IT'S LEGAL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY MY FEELING. OKAY. AND I, AND UNTIL TONIGHT I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS, UH, NOT LEGAL. THANK YOU. OKAY. HI. NATALIE SMITH HERE. I ALSO LIVE THERE. UM, MY WHOLE THING IS, YES, THE LEGALITY BEHIND IT, BUT I THINK FOR SANITARY REASONS, I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY HEALTHY IN A WAY BECAUSE THE SMELL DOES LINGER FOR A WHILE. UM, THE, THE NOISE, LIKE I WILL BE IN MY BED SLEEPING AND THEN THE ROOSTER'S CROWING AND THEN IT'S LIKE, OH MAN, THAT ROOSTER AGAIN. UM, WHEN DID THIS START? OH, SINCE LAST YEAR. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE LAST SUMMER. I WOULD SAY JULY, MAYBE BEFORE JULY. SO A YEAR DEALING WITH THIS. YES. BUT LIKE YOU HAD MENTIONED, I'M ALL FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANNA REAR THEIR OWN EGGS AND CHICKENS, BUT THERE'S A RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS AT THE END OF THE DAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. COME UP. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PEARL KOT. I LIVE AT 1 0 8 GIBSON AVENUE. UH, I'M NOT ADJACENT OR CONTIGUOUS TO THE PROPERTY, BUT THERE'S A PROPERTY BETWEEN A PROPERTY ON THE ROAD BETWEEN, AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE, UM, MY EXPERIENCE WITH HAVING POULTRY REARED NEXT DOOR TO MY HOUSE. UM, I, THE NATURE OF, OF, OF, OF, OF THE DISTURBANCE TO ME, UM, WAS ALL THAT WAS EXPLAINED BY MS. HAMILTON AND MS. SMITH. BUT ALSO, UM, WE WERE ASSURED AND WE SAW THAT THE POULTRY, THAT THE CHICKENS WERE KEPT, UM, WITHIN A STRUCTURE AS IS PROPOSED OR AS IS HAPPENING. BUT THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THEY'RE LET OUT TO, UM, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? UM, STRETCH, YOU KNOW, STRETCH TO, TO, TO RUN AROUND. AND THERE WAS A, WE HAD, THERE'S A FENCE THAT'S PROBABLY, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST FIVE FEET. AND THEY WOULD FLY OVER. I MEAN, I'VE, WE HAD A VERY HARD TIME KEEPING OUR GARDEN. I, AT ONE POINT I COLLECTED 14 EGGS FROM MY GARDEN. UH, AND MY HUSBAND HAD A VERY HARD, AS SOON AS HE WOULD RAKE UP, LIKE WE WOULD DO THE LEAVES, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD MOW THE LAWN. AND, AND AS YOU KNOW, EVEN IF HE HAD A LITTLE PILE OF STUFF TO PICK UP AGAIN, WE JUST COULDN'T KEEP THINGS IN. IT WAS DIFFICULT. SO THEY, THEY, WITH ALL THE, WE KNOW THEY TRIED, WE KNOW THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, COOPERATE, TRYING TO COOPERATE AND KEEP THEM, UM, AS INOBTRUSIVE AS POSSIBLE. BUT WITH ALL THEIR EFFORTS, THEY COULD NOT STOP THEM FROM DISTURBING US. I JUST WANNA SHARE THAT AS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT A, A POSSIBILITY. AND SO I JUST WOULD LIKE FOR THAT POSSIBILITY TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN MAKING THE DECISION. I DON'T WANNA BE A SCROOGE, AND AGAIN, I BELIEVE IN SUSTAINABILITY AND ALL OF THAT, BUT JUST TO, UM, YOU KNOW, EXPLAIN WHAT OUR EXPERIENCE, UM, HAS BEEN WITH HAVING CHICKENS NEXT DOOR. IT WAS, IT'S, IT'S, UM, CAN BE INCONVENIENT. THANK YOU. EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME. IS WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE PERSON WHO'S PROPOSING THIS NOW OR IN SOME OTHER SITUATION YOU'VE BEEN IN? NO, IT IS, IT IS. SOME CHICKENS. CHICKENS WERE BEING KEPT NEXT DOOR TO ME. SO NOT, IT'S NOT, NOT HIS CHICKENS. NOT HIS CHICKENS. SO WHAT, THERE SEEMS TO BE A TREND [00:40:01] OF, OF, OF, OF HAVING CHICKENS. UM, BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST LET'S SAY HIS CHICKENS ARE NOT THE ONLY CHICKENS IN THE VICINITY. 'CAUSE I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM MS. HAMILTON AND I HAD IT NEXT DOOR TO ME, AND THEY'RE NOT THOSE CHICKENS. SO IT JUST SEEMS TO BE BECOMING POPULAR. . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO IT WASN'T HIS CHICKENS, IT WASN'T HIS CHICKEN. SO WHOSE CHICKENS WAS IT? SOMEBODY ELSE? SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CHICKENS, BUT THE STORY WAS NOT ABOUT HIS CHICKENS. I HAVE A PICTURE SEVERAL YEARS AGO WITH THE CHICKEN. IT WAS RIGHT IN MY RIGHT. SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT FOR MORE CHICKENS OFFICE. I DUNNO WHERE IT CAME FROM. PROBABLY GOT LOOSE. OKAY. YEAH. SHOULD WE MOVE ON? YES. ALRIGHT. ANY, ANYONE ELSE? YEAH, I, I JUST WANT TO REDIRECT YOUR ATTENTION. UH, A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS HAVE TO DO WITH THE VICINITY, THE, THE PROXIMITY OF, OF THE COOP TO THE, UH, TO THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS THE AREA VARIANCE. BUT BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT, YOU HAVE TO CONCERN YOURSELVES WITH WHETHER THE APPLICANT HAS SATISFIED THE BURDEN OF PROVING A A USE VARIANCE. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO CALL THE APPLICANT BACK UP AND JUST READ HIM. HE, HE'S, YEAH. ALRIGHT. HE GOT THE LETTER AND DIRECT HIS ATTENTION. COME BACK UP, SIR. WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ATTORNEY IS SAYING IS THAT OUR CODE DOESN'T ALLOW CHICKENS AT THIS POINT. OKAY. SO THEREFORE YOU HAVE TO GO FOR WHAT'S CALLED A USE VARIANCE. I MEAN THAT YOU CAN USE YOUR PROPERTY TO HAVE THE CHICKENS. SO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE ME? YES. COUNT 'EM OFF. LET'S SAY, SAY WHAT THEY ARE . I DON'T HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF ME. RIGHT? THEY'RE RIGHT ON THE PAPERWORK HERE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THEY'RE ON THE PAPERWORK THAT YOU GUYS, THAT YOU HAD TO PUT IN. YOU HAVE TO, UM, YOU CAN'T REALIZE A REASONABLE RETURN PROVIDED THAT THE LACK OF RETURN IS SUBSTANTIAL BY COMPETENT FINANCIAL EVIDENCE. SO YOU'D HAVE TO SHOW FINANCIAL HARDSHIP. OKAY. TO GET THIS USE VARIANCE. UM, THE ALLEGED HARDSHIP RELATING TO THE PROPERTY QUESTION IS UNIQUE. I, I DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE WHERE HE DID THIS? I'M SORRY? DO WE HAVE WHERE HE DID THIS? YES. NO. WHERE HE SAID THERE WAS A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP AND ALL THAT. OKAY. OR YOU CAN ASK HIM. OKAY. YOU WANT TO CONTINUE OR YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE? YOU CAN CONTINUE. YOU'RE DOING VERY WELL. OKAY. UM, UH, THAT THE REQUESTED USE VARIANCE, IF GRANTED, WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT THE ALLEGED HARDSHIP HAS NOT BEEN SELF-CREATED. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS FROM YOU TO SHOW THAT ALL OF THIS EXISTS. OKAY. SO WHAT I HAVE TO DO NOW, SO YOU, SO GETTING A USE VARIANCE IS, IS HARDER BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PROVE ALL THIS, RIGHT? SO YOU'D HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE TO SHOW THAT I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN MY HOUSE IF I DON'T HAVE THESE CHICKENS. LIKE THERE'S SOME KIND OF LIKE THERE. YEAH. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT FROM YOU. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO PROVIDE TO US? HERE? I CAN I BRING YOU SOMETHING, RIGHT? I'M NOT, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. OKAY. WE, I DISCUSSED WITH YOU THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A USE VARIANCE AND, UM, THAT THOSE WERE ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO SHOW TO THE BOARD, BUT YOU DID NOT PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION OTHERWISE. I TRIED TO FIND OUT. SO, AND THERE, THERE'S ALSO OTHER THINGS AS WELL. THERE'S, UM, FIVE, FOUR THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. AND ONE IS, I THINK I READ ALL FOUR TOO. YOU CAN'T REALIZE A REASONABLE RETURN, UH, PROMOTED IN DISTRICT PROVIDED THE LACK OF THE RETURN IS SUBSTANTIAL AND IS DEMONSTRATED BY COMPETENT FINANCIAL EVIDENCE. UM, [00:45:02] SO FAR ALL I'VE HEARD WAS YOU WANT THESE CHECK CHICKENS FOR YOUR SON'S RECREATION. ACTUALLY, I DON'T WANNA HAVE YOU GUYS HAVE A DECISION, SO I JUST COME TO SAY NOT THEY'RE NOT BACK TO NOBODY BUT HAVE TO RENEW. I HAVE TO RENEW THAT. SO SAFETY, YOU GUYS. OKAY. UM, SO I'M, I'M GLAD OUR ATTOR ATTORNEY BROUGHT THIS UP FOR US, UM, TO DISCUSS, UM, BECAUSE IN MY MIND YOU DON'T MEET ANY OF THE USE VARIANCE RESTRICTIONS. AND SO, UM, IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE A VERY SIMPLE ANSWER. AND THEN WE AS A BOARD WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, UH, TWO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL. AND ONE OF THEM IS, UM, SAYING NO. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS AN ADJOURNMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE TOWN IS IN FACT, UM, LOOKING AT THE, UH, ZONING REGULATIONS, WHICH MIGHT IN FACT, UM, ALLOW YOU TO HAVE CHICKENS BUT NOT ON YOUR SIZE PROPERTY. YES, I UNDERSTAND. SO THOSE WERE THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL. OKAY. UM, THAT A TYPE OF AN ADJOURNMENT OR A DENIAL. OKAY. SO, UM, I CAN WAIT FOR US TO GET TOGETHER AND DEBATE THIS AND THEN COME UP WITH OUR DECISION, WHICH I THINK IS THE PROPER THING FOR US TO DO. OKAY. SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE LETTER OR WILL YOU GET DECISION? WELL, YOU GONNA GET THE DECISION NOW. I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING YOU. YOU DON'T GET THE DECISION RIGHT NOW. YOU DON'T GET IT TODAY. OKAY. I'LL SAY IT. OKAY, NO PROBLEM. YOU MAY OR NOT. WE'LL, AFTER WE HEAR ALL THE CASES, WE THEN TAKE A BREAK AND THEN WE MEET AND WE DISCUSS. WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER, WE MAY COME BACK AND WANT MORE INFORMATION OR AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, WE MIGHT ADJOURN IT TO WAIT FOR THE TOWN. OKAY? OKAY. YOU CAN SIT AND WAIT AND LISTEN IF YOU WANT OR YOU CAN ZOOM IN. UM, BUT YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE. YEAH, NO, BUT AS I TELL KID, I HAVE TO GO TO WORK NOW, SO, OKAY. STAY OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, CAN YOU, OKAY, THANK YOU. THE NEXT, UH, CASE IS CASE 26 10. AGREE. CONVENIENCE. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. OKAY. UM, MY NAME IS KAREN GREENLEY. G-R-E-E-N-L-E-E. UM, AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF PRO SIGNS AND SUNOCO, UM, FOR A AREA VARIANCE FOR A SIGN AT THE SUNOCO ON 8 5 8 SOUTH CENTRAL AVENUE. BLESS YOU. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY MY ALLERGIES ARE TERRIBLE TODAY. UM, I SEE THAT YOU HAVE OUR DENIAL LETTER FROM ZONING FROM THE ORIGINAL, UM, APPLICATION. I JUST WANTED TO CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THERE IS, I, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A MISTAKE, BUT THERE'S A DISCREPANCY. I'LL SAY. UM, WE ARE ONLY PROPOSING A PRICE SIGN ON THE MAIN IDENTIFICATION FREESTANDING SIGN THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON THAT PROPERTY. UH, WE ARE NOT, UH, PROPOSING A CANOPY SIGN FACING THE OTHER SIDE. UM, THAT WAS ADDRESSED LAST YEAR. [00:50:01] UH, WE HAVE A PERMIT IN HAND FOR THE CANOPY THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION. JUST SO YOU KNOW. I I'M SORRY. ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WILL BE, YOU ARE NOW ALLOWED TO HAVE THE CANOPY SIGN? YES. UM, SO YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE CANOPY SIGN THAT IS FACING A ROAD. AND ORIGINALLY WE PROPOSED IT TO BE FACING THE BANK. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROPERTY BANK. UM, SO IT WAS FACING THE BANK AND THEY CALLED OUR ATTENTION TO THAT, THAT WAS IMPROPER. SO WE CHANGED IT TO THE LEY ROADSIDE AND THAT WAS ACCEPTED AND WE HAVE A PERMIT FOR THAT. SO THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION THAT I'M HERE FOR TODAY. I JUST, UM, HAVE THE MAIN IDENTIFICATION SIGN THE, THE, UH, CANOPY SIGN, THE PROPORTIONS OF IT COMPARED TO THE PROPOSED SIGN THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PUT UP NEXT TO THE POLE THAT YOU HAVE NOW, WHAT, HOW DO THEY COMPARE? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CANOPY SIGN. UM, WELL, THE, IT'S THE CANOPY SIGN IS, UM, IT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION, SO IT'S, IT'S ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. NO, I UNDERSTAND. BUT DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE DIMENSIONS OF IT? IS IT, UM, IT'S 19 AND A HALF SQUARE FEET. IT'S, IT'S, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS. HOW WIDE IS IT AND HOW TALL IS IT? UM, THAT ONE IS, IT'S 42 INCHES TALL AND I WANNA SAY 67 INCHES WIDE. UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND A DRAWING OF IT. LIKE I SAID, THAT WASN'T ACTUALLY PART OF, UM, OUR VARIANCE APPLICATIONS. SO I HAVE TO GO A LITTLE BACKWARDS, SO I'M SORRY. AND, AND YOU'RE SAYING IT, IT, YOU'RE ABLE TO PUT THAT UP AS OF RIGHT, SO LONG AS IT FACES THE ROADWAY? YEP. YEAH, WE, THAT, THAT WAS ALLOWED BY RIGHT, IT WAS JUST ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE CANOPY, UH, PER THE ORDINANCES IN TOWN. SO WE MOVED IT, AND THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF, UM, IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR. AND THEN WE GOT OUR PERMIT, UH, IN DECEMBER. AND SO THAT WAS PART OF IT. BUT THE, UM, DENIAL LETTER, WE WERE ONLY EVER ISSUED ONE DENIAL LETTER AND IT HAD THAT EXTRA PART ON THERE, WHICH IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE THAT WAS, LIKE I SAID, THAT WAS TAKEN CARE OF, UM, SEPARATELY. OKAY. IT IS 67 INCHES LONG. THANK YOU. SURE. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU DURING YOUR PRESENTATION. OH, NO. UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAD ANYTHING ELSE. UH, DO YOU, YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF OUR PROPOSED SIGN? I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT. SURE. OKAY. YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF PICTURES, SO WE'RE NOT SURE WHICH ONES YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT. UM, THERE'S ONLY, THERE'S ONLY ONE SIGN. SO SEE, UH, THERE'S ONLY ONE SIGN, BUT THERE'S PICTURES OF VARIANCE. VARIANCE, , THERE'S VARIOUS PICTURES OF THINGS. YEAH, VARIANCE. OH, OKAY. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND. OH, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M SORRY. OKAY. DIFFERENT VIEWS. SURE, OF COURSE. YES. SO JUST WHILE YOU'RE PULLING THAT UP, WHERE DO YOU, UM, HAVE YOUR PRICING NOW? WE DO NOT. OKAY. SO THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY, UM, UH, SO AS TO LET ALL CUSTOMERS KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE GASOLINE IS , WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS GETTING WORSE, ISN'T IT? UM, SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE WHOLE LONG BORING BACKSTORY FOR THIS PROPERTY, BUT, UM, SUNOCO IS IN THE MIDDLE OF DOING A COMPLETE BRAND RENEWAL. SO I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN, UH, THE OLD STYLES, UH, WHICH IS THE HORIZON STYLE FOR OUR BRANDING. AND THEN WE ARE MOVING INTO THE CENTENNIAL, WHICH IS THE NEW STYLE BRANDING. IT'S ALL UP AND DOWN THE TURNPIKE. UM, THERE'S A STATION IN, I WANNA SAY IT'S IN HARTSDALE THAT'S ON THIS STREET, JUST A LITTLE FURTHER UP THAT HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO THE NEW IMAGE. SO THIS PROPERTY, UM, WE WERE GOING TO, WE PROPOSED TO UPDATE THE IMAGE AND, UM, AND SO AS PART OF THAT, UH, JUST THE BRAND STANDARD FOR SUNOCO IS, IS TO HAVE A PRICE SIGN. UM, THAT IS A, UM, SORRY, IS OH, OKAY. UM, , THERE WE GO. UM, SO, UH, SO THAT IS PART OF THE BRAND STANDARD IS, IS TO HAVE A PRICE SIGN WHERE IT IS ALLOWED BY LAW, AND IT IS ALLOWED BY LAW. IT JUST WASN'T [00:55:01] AVAILABLE FOR THIS PROPERTY. IT'S A LITTLE, IT'S SMALLER. UM, IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT. AND ORIGINALLY WE PROPOSED HAVING A PRICER SIGN ON THE WALL OF THE SERVICE CENTER, UM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY VISIBLE, UH, RIGHT HERE IS WHERE IT WOULD'VE GONE RIGHT HERE ON THE WALL. UM, AND THAT IS NOT ALLOWED BY CODE. SO WE PROPOSED ADDING IT TO THIS FREESTANDING SIGN, WHICH AGAIN, IS NOT ALLOWED BY CODE. UM, SO SINCE WE WERE HAVING TO COME TO ASK FOR VARIANCE, UH, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD PREFER. SO THIS IS WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR TO PUT THE PRICE SIGN ON THE FREESTANDING SIGN. YOU DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THE HARTSDALE STATION THAT YOU JUST REFERRED TO? NO. UM, WELL THEN LEMME, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT IT NOW. UM, AND THAT ALSO IS IN THE UNINCORPORATED TOWN OF GREENBURG. I, WELL, IT, IT, AS FAR AS I KNOW IT IS IN GREENBURG. NO, IT, IT IS IN GREENBURG. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT THIS, UH, THE FACT THAT IT'S THE HEART'S STILL HEART OF GREENBURG HAS A ANY IMPACT? I DON'T THINK IT DOES. UM, BUT I'M NOTICING THAT WHAT IT DOESN'T HAVE IS THE EXISTING, UH, POLE WITH THE LARGE SUNOCO ON IT. AND SO WHAT IT'S DONE IS IT'S PUT THE PRICE ON IN A MUCH SMALLER SUNOCO. UH, MY GUESS IS THAT THIS WAS AS OF RIGHT. UM, I JUST MENTIONED THAT SITE AS A WAY TO MENTION WHAT THE NEW, UH, IMAGE LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THAT ONE HAS BEEN UPDATED. JUST FOR YOUR EDIFICATION FOR WHAT IS THE OLD STYLE VERSUS THE NEW STYLE MM-HMM . UM, SO WHEN WE UPDATE SIGNS, UH, WE TRY TO WORK WITH WHAT IS EXISTING AND AT THE HARTSDALE STATION, MOST LIKELY IT WILL BE WHAT WE HAVE A CALLED A GOALPOST SIGN, WHICH IS THE DOUBLE, UH, PYLON SIGN. MM-HMM . UM, THIS PARTICULAR STATION HAS, THIS IS SORT OF A UNUSUAL, THIS IS A RARE TYPE OF SIGN TO HAVE JUST THE SINGLE POLE. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T TAKE OUT SIGNS. WE UPDATE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE AND ALTER THE EXISTING SIGN TO MEET THE NEW DESIGN. SO THAT'S WHY THEY WOULD BE DIFFERENT. SO WHAT'S THERE THAT WE ARE SEEING NOW, THAT SIGN WOULD STAY, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE TAKEN DOWN? NO, WE WOULDN'T WANNA TAKE THE SIGN DOWN. UM, THE SIGN IS, UM, JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS, WE WOULD JUST BE, IF YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS IS THE EXISTING SIGN. SO THIS WOULD BE OUR PROPOSAL RIGHT HERE, JUST TO ADD THAT PRICE OR CABINET ON ONTO THE POLE THAT'S EXISTING. DID YOU CONSIDER MAKING IT SMALLER AND PUTTING IT UNDER THE SUNOCO TO LESSEN THE REQUIRED VARIANCE? LIKE SO THAT IT'S NOT AS WIDE? UM, THERE'S NOT A WAY FOR IT TO BE, UM, ON THAT SIDE OF THE POLE AS FAR AS I KNOW, STRUCTURALLY, BECAUSE THEN ALL OF THE WEIGHT IS THERE. SO I THINK THAT THEY DO THAT TO SORT OF BALANCE THINGS OUT SO THAT WAY IT'S NOT HANGING OVER THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THEN THERE'S CLEARANCES FOR PEOPLE WALKING BY. SO I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY HAVE IT ON THAT SIDE. UM, AND THEN THE SIZE OF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE DIGITS TO BE LEGIBLE. SO IF WE HAVE THESE TWO PRICERS ON HERE, THESE TWO, UH, UH, TWO DIFFERENT PRODUCTS, THE PRICES ON THERE. SO THAT IS JUST THE SIZE THAT THEY COME UP WITH. UM, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF MATH INVOLVED THAT I AM NOT PRIVY TO, UNFORTUNATELY. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THIS PARTICULAR SIZE WAS, UH, THE SIZE THAT THEY WENT WITH, BUT THAT IS, I KNOW THAT THAT IS WHAT THEY DO TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LEGIBLE, UH, FOR PEOPLE DRIVING BY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, THIS IS A VERY LARGE VARIANCE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. IT'S OVER A HUNDRED, YOU'RE PERMITTED SIX FEET, YOU'RE PROPOSING ALMOST 14 FEET. YOU'RE PERMITTED 30 FEET, IT'S 50 FEET, AND YOU ACTUALLY WANT AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET. THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A VERY LARGE VARIANCE. I WOULD AGREE. UM, THAT, THAT IS LARGE. UM, HOWEVER, THE SIGN AS IT EXISTS IS ALREADY, UM, THE HEIGHT THAT IT IS, AND WE WOULDN'T BE CHANGING THAT. SO THAT IS JUST AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMITY FOR THE HEIGHT. AND THEN WE WOULD BE ADDING THE PRICER SIGN, WHICH IS ANOTHER 19 SQUARE FEET. SO IT WOULD BE 19 SQUARE FEET OVER WHAT IS EXISTING, WHICH I REALIZE IS THE EXISTING SIGN IS LARGER THAN WHAT IS TECHNICALLY PERMITTED, BUT WE AREN'T CHANGING ANY OF THAT. SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS NOT ANY HIGH AND NOT ANY TALLER THAN WHAT IS EXISTING AND 19 SQUARE FEET OVER THAN WHAT IS EXISTING. DOES THIS STATION SELL DIESEL? YES. CAN YOU PUT UP THIS PAGE WHERE YOU HAVE THE TWO PICTURES? YEP. [01:00:02] OH, SORRY. OH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MY BACKGROUND. WHAT DID I DO? ? IT WAS NICE. OKAY. YES. SORRY. THERE YOU GO. SO THIS IS THE, THIS IS JUST THE PHOTO, RIGHT? SO NO, IT'S, IT IS THE SAME PAGE THAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKET, BUT IT JUST LET US, YEP. OH YEAH. SO THAT'S TAKEN FROM THE CORNER. THAT'S, THAT'S THE SOUTHBOUND LANE OF CENTRAL PARK, WHICH IS THIS, THIS GAS STATION IS ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE. THERE'S NO WAY TO GET FROM TO IT FROM THE NORTHBOUND. THERE'S A DIVIDE THERE IN THE ROAD. YOU CAN'T SIT THERE AND MAKE A LEFT INTO THE STATION. SO BASICALLY YOU'RE AIMING AT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING SOUTHBOUND. THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO CAN ENTER THIS, THIS STATION OR COMING DOWN ARDSLEY ROAD OR COMING DOWN THE ALEY. YEP. RIGHT. THIS SIGN ON THE SUNOCO, THE SUNOCO IS PARALLEL TO ARDSLEY ROAD AND PERPENDICULAR TO CENTRAL AVENUE. THIS EXISTING SUNOCO SIGN IS THERE TO BE MOST VISIBLE TO THE PEOPLE ON CENTRAL AVENUE, WHICH IS THE BUSIER STREET AND NOT AIMED NECESSARILY AT THE ARLEY ROAD. PEOPLE. YOU SAID THAT THE PROPOSED, UH, SIGNAGE HERE FOR THE PRICING IS 19 SQUARE FEET, WHICH YOU ALSO SAID YOU ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO PUT ON THE CANOPY BEHIND IT AT THIS. NO, NO, NO. UH, NO. I WAS SAYING IF, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR VARIANCE PAPERWORK THERE, WE GOT A DENIAL LETTER FROM THE, FROM THE ZONING OFFICER, AND THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT WERE DENIED. ONE OF THEM WAS A CANOPY SIGN, ONE OF THEM WAS THIS PRICER SIGN. THE CANOPY SIGN IS NOT AN ISSUE AND IT IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION. IT, I UNDERSTAND YOU KEEP WANTING TO DIVORCE THAT, BUT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A, AS A WHOLE. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE SAYING, I THINK YOU TOLD ME THAT AS OF RIGHT, YOU ARE NOW ABLE TO PUT A 19 SQUARE FOOT CANOPY SIGN FACING ARLEY ROAD. YES. IT'S NOT A PRICE SIGN. SO IT LITERAL GONNA BE BEHIND, IT'S GONNA BE ON THE CANOPY DIRECTLY BEHIND WHERE THIS OTHER SIGN THAT WOULD BE GOING ON THE POLE WOULD BE, IT'S FACING THE SAME DIRECTION, IT'S THE SAME SIZE, AND IT'S SERVING THE SAME PURPOSE. IT'S NOT SERVING THE SAME PURPOSE. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PURPOSE? IT IS A LOGO. IT IS A DIAMOND LOGO THAT SAYS SUNOCO. IT'S 19 SQUARE FEET ON THE CANOPY, WHICH IS 17 FEET IN THE AIR. SO OH, IT'S NOT A PRICING SIGN? NO, NO. IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. IT'S JUST THE WORD SUNOCO. IT IS A DIAMOND LOGO, YES. OH, IT'S A DIAMOND LOGO. YES. BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW THE PRICES. NO. ARE YOU ALLOWED TO PUT THE PRICES THERE? WHY? ON THE CANOPY? YEAH. NO, NO, NO. OKAY. NO. SO, BUT HE BRINGS UP A POINT THAT WAS SIMILAR TO MINE, IS LIKE, SO YOU HAVE IT ON THE CANOPY, YOU COULD SEE IT FROM THE SAME DIRECTION. YOU COULD TAKE THE SUNOCO SIGN OFF THE CANOPY SINCE YOU ALREADY HAVE A SUNOCO SIGN OKAY. AND STILL HAVE VISIBILITY FROM THE STREET. OR YOU COULD DESIGN IT WHERE IT'S NOT REQUIRING SUCH A LARGE VARIANCE. NO, NO. I'M SORRY. I, UH, MAYBE IF I BROUGHT UP WHAT THIS, WHAT THE CANOPY LOOKS LIKE, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO SEE. UH, LET'S SEE. SO THIS IS THE SIGN THAT'S GOING ON THE CANOPY. AND HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM THE SIGN THAT THE LOGO THAT'S ON HERE, THAT SIGN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, IS THE PRICE CABINET? IT IS A BLUE CABINET THAT SAYS REGULAR WITH A PRICE, AND THEN IT SAYS DIESEL WITH A PRICE. OKAY, BUT YOU'RE LEAVING THE SUNOCO SIGN ON THE OTHER SIDE, CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT IS EXISTING. WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT DOWN BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AN EXISTING SIGN. THEY WOULDN'T TAKE, THEY WOULDN'T GET RID OF IT. UM, BUT, BUT IT'S MAKING YOU, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WIDTH, A VERY LARGE SIGN AND A VERY LARGE VARIANCE. SO WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS YOU CONSIDER HOW TO REDUCE THE VARIANCE. OKAY. UM, YEAH, I, I AM NOT ABLE TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD TAKE AN EXISTING SIGN DOWN WHEN THERE'S NO REASON TO TAKE IT DOWN. UM, IT'S NOT DAMAGED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT YOU'RE ASKING TO PUT THE PRICING UP. CORRECT. UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE LAYOUT OF THE CAN CANOPY. SO IF YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE IT'S FACING ARDSLEY ROAD, THAT IS THE, THE DIAMOND LOGO THAT WILL BE FACING ARDSLEY ROAD. AND SINCE THERE IS NO CURRENT PRICING INFORMATION AVAILABLE AT THIS PRO, UH, AT THIS PROPERTY FROM THE STREET, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO PUT ON THE FREESTANDING SIGN THAT EXISTS AS IT IS, IT'S NON-CONFORMING. SO WE ARE TRYING TO ALTER THE NON-CONFORMING SIGN, WHICH IS PART OF WHAT THE VARIANCE IS ADDRESSING. SO PREVIOUSLY, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE COME AND ASKED FOR [01:05:01] VERY LARGE VARIANCES LIKE THIS, WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO GO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYONE'S GOING TO VOTE TONIGHT, BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DELIBERATE MM-HMM . BUT WE'RE HESITANT TO SET THAT KIND OF A PRECEDENT WITH THAT VERY LARGE VARIANCE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, IS THAT YOU LOOK AT OTHER WAYS TO REDUCE THE VARIANCE OR POTENTIALLY REMOVE THE SIGN AND REPLACE IT WITH THE PRICING. OKAY. ON THE POLE, UM, THE PROBLEM STARTS TO BE WHERE IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR A DOUBLE POLLED SIGN. SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DESIGN A WHOLE BRAND NEW SIGN WITH A BRAND NEW FOUNDATION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT FIT AT THAT PROPERTY, WHERE THERE'S LITERALLY THAT TINY LITTLE PLACE TO, I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY SMALL PROPERTY. UM, SO WE'RE TALKING THOUSAND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO PUT IN A BRAND NEW FOUNDATION TO DO A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM, UM, FOR A SIGN THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FINE. UH, IT'S, IT'S A FINE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S NOT DAMAGED. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD TAKE IT DOWN. AND SINCE THAT SIGN IS EXISTING AS THE NON-CONFORMITY, IN MY MIND, THE VARIANCE IS FOR A 19 SQUARE FOOT EXTRA FOR THE PRICER THAT DOES NOT CURRENTLY EXIST ON THIS PROPERTY. THERE'S NO PRICING INFORMATION, UM, EXISTING. SO THAT IS IN MY MIND WHAT THE VARIANCE IS FOR 19 EXTRA SQUARE FEET ON AN, ON A NON-CONFORMING SIGN. UM, I DO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I, I OBVIOUSLY CAN'T APPROVE, UM, A WHOLE BRAND NEW DESIGN AND ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE ENGINEERING. AND I MEAN, I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE. UM, I DO KNOW I'VE DONE, UM, EXCUSE ME, INTERRUPT SO MANY OF THESE SITES. YES. SHE'S SAYING IN HER MIND, WHAT'S THE TOWN SAYING? SO YOU'D HAVE TO GET ENGINEERING ANYWAY INVOLVED BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CERTIFY THAT THE ADDITIONAL WEIGHT ON THIS POLE MEETS THEN THE FOOTING AND THE FOUNDATIONS. I DO, I DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND ASIDE FROM THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO HAVE TO REPLACE THE POLE, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ENGINEERED WITH THE FOOTINGS AND THE, THE NEW, UM, LOCATION. BUT SIMILAR TO 17 NORTH CENTRAL, WHICH IS THE OTHER, UM, LOCATION OF THE SUNOCO, HOW IS A, A GOAL POST SIGN? YEAH. UM, THERE ARE WAYS THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY GET THAT AT THIS LOCATION WITH SIMILAR, UM, SIZE FOOTINGS. YOU KNOW, JACE WOULD LOOK AT THE, UM, THE FOOTING AND THE FOUNDATION. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S A VERY TIGHT LOCATION. IT IS. YEAH. I, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I, I AM NOT AN ENGINEER. UH, WE WERE, WE, WE, WE DID HAVE THIS POLE CERTIFIED. I HAVE ENGINEERING FOR THE CURRENT EXISTING, UH, FOR THE ATTACHMENTS FOR THIS NEW PRICE SIGN. UM, I MEAN, I'VE, I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE WALKED THAT SITE. THERE'S, THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUT A, A GOAL POST SIGN. THERE'S, UH, THERE'S NOT, THERE WAS HARDLY SPACE TO PUT THE, THE, THE YARD SIGN FOR THIS VARIANCE NOTIFICATION AND DOES SORT OF PUT IT ALL UP INTO THE CORNER. THERE'S JUST, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF EXTRA ROOM HERE. I IS THE PRICING SIGN A POLICY OF SUNOCO OR A DESIRE OF THE INDIVIDUAL STATION. SO HAVING THE PRICE, UM, IS A BRAND STANDARD. UH, THERE'S ONE TOWN IN MY HISTORY OF WORKING WITH THIS PROJECT THAT BY THEIR CODE DID NOT ALLOW A PRICING SIGN. AND THAT IS FOR ANYTHING THAT WAS IN THEIR ENTIRE TOWN. UM, BUT FOR EVERY OTHER PROJECT WE'VE DONE, UH, THIS IS THEIR BRAND STANDARD IS, IS TO HAVE THAT BLUE CABINET WITH THE PRICER SIGN WITH THE DIGITAL, THE DIGITAL DIGITS. IF THAT IS THE NEW BRAND. I'M, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE, UH, POINT IS, IS THAT CURRENTLY THIS SUNOCO SIGN WITH ONLY THE, UH, THE YELLOW BRAND ON THE LEFT WITHOUT THE PRICING SIGN HAS BEEN STANDING THERE FOR MANY YEARS? YES. MY GUESS IS THAT YOU COULD TAKE OFF THAT SONOCO, PUT THE PRICING THERE AND NOT HAVE TO PUT IN A NEW, A NEW POLE OR A NEW FOUNDATION. AND YOU COULD ALSO MAKE IT WITH, WITHIN THE REGULATIONS OF THE SQUARE FEET THAT'S NECESSARY. AND BY LOSING THAT NICE SONOCO SIGN THAT'S THERE, YOU'RE NOT REALLY LOSING THAT MUCH VISIBILITY. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT ON TWO QUARTERS OF THE, UM, CANOPY OF THE CANOPY AND THE COLORS ARE THERE. I MEAN, IT'S VERY VISIBLE. YOU KNOW WHAT'S THERE? I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT SUNOCO LOGO [01:10:01] IS PART OF THEIR BRAND STANDARD AS WELL. UM, SO EVEN IF YOU SEE A GOALPOST SIGN, LIKE THAT'S THE TOP PART OF IT IS ALWAYS THE DIAMOND SUNOCO. SO THERE'S EITHER THE FREESTANDING ONE, LIKE THERE, THERE'S THAT, AND THAT CAN'T ACTUALLY BE MOVED AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO POINT TOWARDS THE STORE, LIKE THE ARROW. IT HAS TO BE A CERTAIN ORIENTATION. SO EVEN IF WE WERE SOMEHOW ABLE TO FIND SOME, UM, YOU KNOW, PLACE TO PUT A GOALPOST SIGN, OR IF WE TRIED TO TAKE SOMETHING DOWN AND PUT THE PRICE OR SIGN UP AGAIN, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE LOGO BE GONE BECAUSE THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF IT TOO. NO. OKAY. I YOU'RE, WE'RE LEARNING MORE OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS, BUT IF YOU GO LOOK AT THE ONE AT 17 NORTH CENTRAL, THEY HAVE WITHIN A SIGN THAT LOOKS SMALLER THAN THE PROPOSED PRICING SIGN. THEY HAVE BOTH THE LOGO AND THE PRICING. AND THAT'S WITHIN CODE, I'M IMAGINING. AND SO, RIGHT. YES. IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SIZE OF THAT SIGN IS, SO I, I DON'T, YEAH, I I'M NOT PROPOSING A SPECIFIC SIGN, EXCEPT THAT THE FACT I'M SAYING IS A SIGN WITHIN CODE CAN BE PUT THERE AND YES, YOU CAN PUT A, A NOW SMALLER LOGO ON TOP OF THE PRICE, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT TO BE A GOAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE A POLL HERE THAT'S ALREADY RATED TO HOLD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WEIGHT ON THE SIDE. I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE HELPFUL. I MEAN, I OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT BEING, BEING AS HELPFUL AS SAYING YES. YEAH. BUT THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT . YEAH. UNFORTUNATELY. I MEAN, I HAVE NO, UM, AUTHORITY TO, YOU KNOW, REDESIGN THE SIGN. SO IT'S REALLY HELPFUL WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE FROM THE SIGN COMPANY MM-HMM . BUT THAT YOU HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE BRAND TEAM AT THE COMPANY OR SOMEONE WHO THAT TO ZOOM IN AND BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION SO THAT THEY CAN HEAR IT. OKAY. UM, HAVING WRITTEN AND DESIGNED BRAND GUIDELINES FOR MANY YEARS, I ALSO KNOW THAT AS PART OF THE BRAND GUIDELINES, IT'S ALWAYS THAT IT MUST MEET LOCAL AND LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. SO IF THERE'S A LOCAL ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT REALLY BIG AND PUT THE LOGO AND THE PRICING, YOU HAVE TO PICK AND CHOOSE. OH, I, YEAH. I, I KNOW. I, I MEAN WE, SINCE THIS IS A NATIONWIDE BRAND MM-HMM . UM, THE, THE STANDARD IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ALLOWABLE MOST OF THE TIME 'CAUSE YOU'LL NEVER BE A HUNDRED PERCENT MM-HMM . AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF SIGN WITH THE CANOPY AND THE STORE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THOSE ARE ALL DIFFERENT ANIMALS. SINCE THESE ARE EXISTING SITES THAT ARE BEING CONVERTED TO THE NEW IMAGE, IT'S NOT CHANGING, IT'S JUST BEING UPDATED. UM, GENERALLY WE JUST UPDATE THE EXISTING SIGN. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT JUST BECAUSE THERE WASN'T EVER A PRICER HERE. UM, BUT AT THE OTHER PROPERTY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE CHANGED ANYTHING ABOUT THAT SIGN. EVERYTHING WOULD'VE JUST BEEN EXISTING FOR HOWEVER LONG IT EXISTED, AND WE WOULD'VE JUST PUT NEW FACES IN THOSE CABINETS. UM, SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION BECAUSE THERE WAS NEVER A PRICER HERE FOR US. 'CAUSE IF THIS WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE SITE, THIS WOULD'VE ALREADY HAD A PRICER AND WE WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN PAINTING THE OUTSIDE OF THE CABINET AND PUTTING A NEW FACE IN. AND WE MIGHT NOT BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, EVEN IF THAT SIGN WAS LARGER THAN WHAT WAS TECHNICALLY AVAILABLE, BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE JUST BEEN A FACE REPLACEMENT AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS ALREADY EXISTING. WELL, I THINK PROBABLY THAT IF YOU HAD COME WITH THIS SIGN ORIGINALLY, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROVED, APPROVED ORIGINALLY WITH HAVING THE WIDTH AND THE SIZE OF THE SIGN. WELL, IT, IT WAS, UM, APPROVED. WE THIS, WELL, NOT WITH THE PRICER, BECAUSE OH NO, NOT WITH THE PRICER. NO. YEAH, NO, NO, THAT'S TRUE. UM, I, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHETHER THAT WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED OR NOT. UH, UM, SO YOU MAY HAVE TO TAKE OUR COMMENTS BACK AND HAVE THEM REVIEW THEM SO THAT YOU CAN COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH, UM, THEIR DETERMINATIONS. OKAY. UM, SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE AN EASY YES NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WHAT'S HELPFUL IS, IS WHEN WE DELIBERATE, WE CAN COME UP WITH A LIST OF SUGGESTIONS OR A LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT KIRA CAN THEN FORWARD TO YOU THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO THE CORPORATION. YEAH. UM, I MEAN, I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD WANNA MOVE FORWARD, WHETHER THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO, UM, CHANGING THE SIGN THAT'S EXISTING, OR IF THEY WOULD JUST GIVE UP THE PRICER INFORMATION. I MEAN, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. I'M, I CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD CHOOSE. SURE. I THINK BOTH OF THEM WOULD BE AMENABLE TO OUR BOARD. WELL, I THINK THAT THEN THERE WOULDN'T NEED TO BE A VARIANCE AT ALL. THAT'S [01:15:01] WHAT I MEAN. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO WE WOULDN'T COME BACK. WE WOULD JUST AMEND OUR APPLICATION AND GO FOR BUILDING PERMIT. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD CHOOSE. UM, THAT'S WHAT I THINK, UM, SORRY. SHE WAS SAYING IS THAT USUALLY THEY WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE OF SUNOCO PRESENT WITH YOU SO THAT WHEN WE ASK THESE QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN'T ANSWER, WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE THEM COME TO THE PODIUM AND WE CAN HIT THEM WITH THESE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS. YEAH. AND THEN HE MAY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SAY, UM, WHAT HE CAN OR CANNOT DO, OR WHAT SUNOCO CANNOT OR CANNOT DO. I, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT EITHER, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH MARKETING AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WOULD JUST BE ONE PERSON THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO YOU. WELL, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE. IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO US. NO, I DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE. THEY CAN CALL IN. I, I, YEP. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. UM, BUT IF THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS THAT, UH, WE CAN, I MEAN, I'M MORE THAN CAPABLE OF TAKING THAT BACK TO OKAY. OUR, OUR PROJECT MANAGER AND THEN THEY GET IN TOUCH WITH EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. I, I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. SURE. UM, WAS THERE, WHAT WAS THE ISSUE FOR NOT PUTTING THE PRICE AREA ON THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING WITH NO SIGNAGE? SO THAT IS, THERE IS SIGNS THERE. UM, AND THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE, THE A CM THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND THAT HORIZON, UH, IMAGE THAT IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THAT CHECKERBOARD PATTERN. SO THEY TAKE THAT DOWN, THEY'RE GONNA PUT BRAND NEW BLUE UP, AND SINCE THAT IS A SERVICE CENTER, THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS SERVICE CENTER AND THERE IS A ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO SIGNS ON A BUILDING THAT SAY DIFFERENT THINGS. GOT IT. SO THAT IS WHY WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THE PRICE AROUND HERE. OH, THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? ANYONE IN THE ROOM? OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. AND WE WILL GO TO OUR DELIBERATIONS NOW AFTER SMALL BREAK. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. GOODNIGHT. I GUESS WE CAN STAY UP HERE TONIGHT. I THINK WE HAVE TO BECAUSE OF THERE ARE NO MICROPHONES. , DO YOU HAVE A FIGHT WITH THEM? ? ARE WE TAKING A BREAK? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. BARN. BARN TO POOL HOUSE. I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I SAID IT'S THE BARN AND POOL HOUSE. REMEMBER? AH, BARNS CONVERTED TO THE POOL HOUSE. I'M OKAY WITH THIS ONE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE. SO, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE TO ADJOURN? NOT ON THIS ONE, NO. CASE. 25, 36. OH, WE ARE WAITING FOR A SECRET DETERMINATION BY THE TOWN BOARD. NO, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT, WHO WAS ASKING? I'M NOT, I'M SORRY. BUT YOU DON'T VOTE NOW THIS DELIBERATIONS? YEAH, WE BOTH, WE COME BACK WHEN WE COME BACK. YEAH. OKAY. UH, SO 26 0 7. YEP. I AM ALL FOR IT. I AM TOO. IF, UH, IF I HAD THE PROPERTY AND I HAD THE MONEY, I WOULD DO THE SAME THING. OKAY. I WOULD TOO. , YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT, DID YOU? WELL, OH, YOUR MICRO, YOUR MICROPHONE'S OFF. MINE'S ON OH, LEAVES. YEAH. YEAH. I'M GOOD ON THIS. WHAT ABOUT YOU PETER? UM, I'M GOING ALONG WITH THE FLOW . THAT DOESN'T SOUND VERY ENCOURAGING. I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, BUT I'M NOT GONNA MAKE TROUBLE. WELL, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S STOPPING IT. WELL, WE NEED IT TO BE UNANIMOUS, I BELIEVE. WELL, I WANT HIM TO, [01:20:01] I MEAN, WE WANT HIM TO SAVE THE BARN. IF HE HAS ANY INTENTIONS OF DOING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ALLOWABLE UNDER CODE, THEN THE BUILDING INSPECTORS WILL FIND IT WHEN THEY GO AND DO THE INSPECTIONS. AND IF HE DOES IT AFTER THE FACT IT GOES TO SELL THE HOUSE, THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT. RIGHT. BUT YEAH, I THINK THE BONDS WERE SAVING AND IF I HAD THE MONEY I WOULD DO IT TOO. . OH. SO I DON'T FEEL SO LONELY. NO, I WOULD TOTALLY, I, YEAH. EVE YOU NO, I, I I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM. OKAY. WHO'S SPEAKING? NEXT CASE. WHAT'S IT? OKAY, UM, ED, ON THIS ONE, DO WE PUT ANYTHING THAT THE HISTORIC, WHATEVER THE END LANDMARK BOARD WANTS, LIKE IN CONDITIONS OR NO, I BELIEVE WE SHOULD. NO, NO, NO. WE'RE JUST WITH THE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN THE, YEAH, THE ONLY THING THAT'S BEFORE YOU IS THE HEIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. AND IF YOU DENY IT, THEN YOU LOSE. IF YOU DENY THE VARIANCE, THEN THE BARN WOULD COME DOWN, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YES. YEAH. HE, I THINK IN THE ORIGINAL MEETING HE HAD SAID THAT IF HE COULDN'T PUT THE DORMERS ON, WHICH IS WHAT CHANGES THE AVERAGE HEIGHT, THAT HE COULDN'T HAVE STAIRWAYS AND IT STAIRWAY, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY TO PUT AN INTERNAL STAIRWAY DESIGN-WISE, OR TO PUT THE TWO ROOMS IN. IT WOULDN'T BE WORTH IT FOR HIM TO DO THAT. SO HE WOULD JUST TAKE IT DOWN. OH, SO IT'S, OH, SO HE SAID HE WOULD JUST TAKE IT DOWN? YEAH. YEAH. HE SAID HE WOULD. WOULD. OKAY. 'CAUSE I GUESS IT, IT WAS A MONTH AGO, SO I DON'T REMEMBER. YEAH. SO I THINK HE SAID IT WOULD NEED TO COME DOWN 'CAUSE IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE, SO. OKAY. AND, AND EVEN LIKE ON THE, THE COLOR OF THE OUTSIDE, THE FACT THAT HE HAS TO REPLACE ALL THE SHINGLES ANYWAY, LIKE, I MEAN, IF HE WAS MAINTAINING THE SHINGLES, I WOULD BE LIKE, COULD YOU PLEASE? LIKE, BUT HE CAN'T, SO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I, I CAN WRITE IT UP. YOU CAN GIVE IT TO ME. IT'S FINE. I'LL DO IT. YOU'LL GET IT LIKE NEXT WEEK, BUT I'LL DO IT. OKAY. NE THE CHICKEN COOP, I THINK CHICKEN COOP IS NEXT. I GREW UP WITH CHICKEN IN MY BACKYARD, BUT I WAS IN LOUISIANA. . UH, WELL WE HAD A SPEAKER HERE WHO BASICALLY SAID THE SAME THING. MM-HMM . DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHICKENS. RIGHT. JUST NOT NEXT DOOR TO ME. WELL, EVEN THAT, IT WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T, IF THE TOWN WERE TO APPROVE HAVING CHICKENS, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULDN'T BE SMART. UNLESS, UNLESS A LOT OF OF PEOPLE COME OUT AND SAY, NO, THAT'S TOO MUCH. YEAH. I I WE DON'T, NO ONE WOULD HAVE CHICKENS OR SOMETHING. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I, I, ON THIS ONE, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A USE CASE VARIANCE. IT'S LIKE WHY EVEN ADJOURN IT? LIKE HE, IT'S NOT A BUSINESS, IT'S A, THEY'RE SUPPOSEDLY PETS. NOT SURE IF I BELIEVE THAT, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE IT. I I MEAN, I HAVE TO SAY I FEEL A LOT OF SYMPATHY FOR THE YOUNG MAN WHO IS HERE, WHO THEORETICALLY THESE ARE HIS PETS. YEAH. AND I, AND I FEEL VERY BAD ABOUT THAT. WELL, SO I, I, I THOUGHT THAT, AND I ALSO, BUT THEN THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE ROOSTERS. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN THEY HAVE ROOSTERS. WHY DO THEY HAVE ROOSTERS? HE, AND HE SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T GETTING EGGS. BUT THEN THE, THAT EGG STORY WAS A NOT A DIFFERENT NO, NO, NO. I KNOW FROM THE SECOND WOMAN. YEAH. THE OTHER WOMAN, LIKE THE, THE OTHER WOMAN. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO BELIEVE ON THAT, BUT I, I WOULD SAY NO. OH. WHICH WAS THE OTHER ONE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THE PURPOSE OF IN, OF ADJOURNING IT. IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THE TOWN BOARD WERE TO INCLUDE PROPERTIES OF HIS SIZE, HE COULD COME BACK AND ASK FOR A VARIANCE. I DOUBT THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK, EVEN IF THEY DON'T FOR A AREA VARIANCE. YEAH. IF THE TOWN BOARD WERE TO ADOPT AN, IF THE TOWN BOARD WERE TO ADOPT, UH, AN ORDINANCE THAT PERMITS IT, BUT ON A LARGER SCALE, THE PROPERTY AND HE COULD COME IN YEAH. FOR A VARIANCE FROM THAT. YEAH. BUT, BUT IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE VARIANCE TONIGHT, HE WASN'T COMING UP WITH ANYTHING. HE DIDN'T COME UP WITH ANYTHING TO KERA. SO I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING BY ADJOURNING IT. [01:25:02] AND HE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK IF AND WHEN THE TOWN BOARD ACTS, BUT THAT COULD BE A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF DOWN THE, DOWN THE ROAD DURING WHICH HE WOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN HIS ILLEGAL USE AT PRE HIS PRESENT USE, WHICH IS ILLEGAL, UH, TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO TESTIFIED THAT, UH, THEY ARE IMPACTED BY IT. UH, AND I'M GLAD PETER, YOU, YOU CLEARED UP MY, UH, MISUNDERSTANDING WHEN THE SECOND WOMAN LADY CAME UP AND SAID THAT SHE WAS FINDING EGGS IN HER GARDEN. THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS HIS CHICKENS THAT WERE FLYING OVER THE FENCE AND LAYING EGGS IN HER GARDEN. I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS SOMEBODY ELSE'S CHICKEN. SO THEN WHAT WAS THE ACTUAL PERTINENT, SHE WAS JUST TRYING TO SHARE HER EXPERIENCE WITH CHICKENS. OKAY. APPARENTLY THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE HOME THAT HAS CHICKENS IN THAT, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SO, OKAY. . YEAH. AND IT WASN'T A PROPER, THAT WAS NOT A PROPER PEN. NO, IT ANCO FOR CHICKENS EITHER. SO, AND WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT HE'S GONNA WRAP IT UP AND WITH AN ELECTRIC HEATER AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE COST OF BUILDING THESE? THE HE AND ALL, HE COULD BUY HIM A CAR. OH YEAH. THE, A PROPER CHICKEN COOP COST YOU 20 GRAND. YEAH. EASILY. ARE YOU SERIOUS? EASILY. YEAH. THEY'RE LIKE LITTLE HOUSES WITH HEATING AND YEAH. AND THEN THE RUNS ARE PRETTY BIG TOO. AND SOMETIMES THE RUNS, YOU CAN MOVE THEM AROUND MM-HMM . BECAUSE THEY EAT THE BUGS OFF THE GRASS. SO CHICKENS ARE GREAT. AND THEN YOU, THE, YOU DON'T WANT ALL THE POOP? I DON'T FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO IT, BUT LIKE, SO IT'S EASIER TO CLEAN IT UP. YEAH. OKAY. SO JUST FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES IS NOT A VERY GOOD EXCUSE. NO, WELL, I, I I MEAN IT'S CULTURAL. I MEAN THEY'RE LIKE, LOOK AT PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE FARMLAND AND THEY HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOUR H AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LIKE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR KIDS TO HAVE PETS AND, AND ANIMALS AS LONG AS THEY'RE TAKING CARE OF THEM PROPERLY. BUT I DON'T THINK THIS PROPERTY IS PROBABLY BIG ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF 'EM PROPERLY. REALLY. OKAY. SO I WOULD SAY NO, I THINK HE WAS PRETTY MUCH KNEW HE WAS GONNA GET A NO, I AGREE. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK HE KNEW HOW TO NAVIGATE THIS AT ALL. NO. AND I THINK KIRA TRIED TO HELP HIM. YOU THINK WHAT? I THINK KIRA REALLY TRIED TO HELP HIM. YEAH, I DID. AND JUST SHE SPOKE TO HIM. I MEAN IT'S, YEAH. WELL, WITH APOLOGIES OF THE CHILD. I, I, I SAY YES TO, TO NO , NO. OKAY. SO NO ON THE CHICKENS AND THE SIGN IS GONNA BE AUR, CORRECT? YES. DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT JUST SO THAT KIRA HAS DIRECTION ON NO, I MEAN WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT. YEAH. MORE THAN USUAL. I WAS GONNA SAY. YEAH, BUT I MEAN, WE COULD GO OVER THAT REAL, REAL QUICK. WENT OVER IT. YOU AND I WENT OVER EXACTLY THE SAME SCENARIO. WERE . I'M NOT SURE LIKE WHY SHE LIKE WELL, I, I JUST, I, I'LL ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND THAT IS, IF YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN CENTRAL AVENUE FROM THE YONKERS LINE TO THE HARTILL LINE, YOU CAN GO AND LOOK AND SEE EXACTLY HOW ALL THE GAS STATIONS DID, DID IT, THEY ALL HAVE GOAL POSTS WITH THE INSIGNIA ON TOP AND THE PRICING DOWN BELOW. UM, AND I DON'T WANNA MAKE THEM BUILD A NEW POLE. I THINK THAT THEY CAN PUT THAT EXACT SAME SIGN ON THEIR EXISTING POLE JUST HAVING TO REPLACE THE, UH, THE BIG SUNOCO THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH THEY REALLY DON'T NEED. MM-HMM . UM, AND, AND I FELT SORRY THAT SHE WAS BEING BEATEN UP. NO ONE WAS TRYING TO BEAT HER UP, BUT SHE FELT BEATEN UP. SHE DIDN'T LOOK ALL THAT BEATEN UP. OH, OKAY. I'VE SEEN MORRIS, YOU'VE SEEN MORRIS. I, I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHY WHEN THE ASSIGNED PEOPLE COME IN, THEY THINK LIKE THEIR CLIENTS MM-HMM . THESE BRAND PEOPLE ARE GODS AND WELL, IT'S IN THE BRAND GUIDELINES, LIKE YEAH. YOU KNOW, WELL, WHY DON'T THEY GO LOOK AND SEE HOW EVERYBODY ELSE DOES IT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S REAL CONSISTENT IF YOU GO TO EVERY GAS STATION YEAH. THERE, IT, IT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT. YEAH. EXCEPT FOR THE ONE THAT SHE'S PROPOSING NOW, DID THEY JUST TAKE OVER THIS GAS STATION? NO. AND I DON'T, I WELL, DON'T THINK IT WAS PART OF THE RENOVATION THAT SHE, I DON'T, WELL, I ASKED THE QUESTION WHO WAS BEHIND THIS? AND SHE MORE OR LESS SAID IT'S, IT'S THE CORPORATE BRANDING THING. YEAH. BUT WELL, IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THE, THE DIGITAL PRICING ON A GOALPOST [01:30:01] OR A SIGNAGE SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT. IT DOES, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR PRICING IS LOWER THAN NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I DON'T THINK NEIGHBORHOOD SUNOCO IS LOWER , BUT THEY LIKE VERY CLEARLY COULD PUT A SMALLER SUNOCO SIGN ON TOP OF IT THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH DIGITS. DIGITS. OH, HA HA. LIKE, YOU MEAN LIKE A, LIKE $10 GUESS YOU MEAN LIKE THE YEAR 2000? UM, REMEMBER THAT, I MEAN I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE 5, 5 50 $6 PER GALLON GAS. AND THEN I'M WONDERING WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND MORE THAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS. NO, THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER IN TWO, THE 2000 Y 2K WHERE THE COMPUTERS DIDN'T GO AND EVERYBODY WAS LIKE, WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN? IT'S LIKE THAT WITH THE SIGNS. ONCE IT GOES ABOVE A HUNDRED DOLLARS, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. DAVE, DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED? YEP. OKAY. OH, THERE. OH WOW. PICTURES ALL EGGS AND CHICKEN. OKAY. JUST REMEMBER WHEN YOU GO BACK ON, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO VOTE ON FIRST DATE. GONNA BE THE FIRST TWO. OKAY. DON'T WE THE, NOT THE S-L-C-S-L-A-C ALSO. WELL, THE AGENDA SAYS IT HAS BEEN A JURY. OH, OKAY. OKAY. WELL I HAVE TO PUT THAT UP. IT HAS BEEN. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. WHERE DO WE DO THAT? THIS ONE SAYS IT HAS BEEN ADJOURNED. THIS ONE IS TO VOTE TO ADJOURN. THAT'S THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. NO. WHERE'S THE OTHER ONE THAT SAYS IT HAS BEEN ADJOURNED? OH YEAH. YOU DON'T HAVE IT HERE, RIGHT IN HERE. OH SIX. YEAH, FOR THE, YOU SAID THE WORD FAMILY LIKE THIS. YEAH, BUT THEN THEY CAME ANOTHER ONE. WE BACK ON. WHERE ARE WE? SORRY. OKAY. OKAY, WE'RE READY TO GO. YEAH, WE'RE READY. I GUESS WE'RE BACK ON. UM, GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER HERE. THANK YOU. WE HAVE COME TO, UH, CONCLUSIONS WITH RESPECT TO OUR CASES THIS EVENING AND THE CASE 25 36 LAWRENCE AVENUE LEY. WE, THE BOARD HAS TO VOTE TO ADJOURN WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO AWAIT SECRET CON DETERMINATIONS. UM, AND ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK ON JULY 16TH. UM, AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG, I'M SORRY, JUST ADJOURN THAT ONE. THAT WAS JUST ADJOURN. I'M SORRY. SO DO I HAVE, DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR THAT WE ADJOURN CASE Z-B-Z-B-A 25 36 TO JULY 16TH. I SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. AND WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED CASE, CASE 26 0 1. WE'RE NOW GOING TO CASE TO CASE 26 0 6 0 6 DRMO ROAD. NO, NO, THAT'S BEEN, I'M, THAT'S BEEN ADJOURNED. THAT'S THE WRONG ONE. YES. 26 0 7. 26 0 7. KEVIN GALLMAN, 47 ALEY ROAD OFF SCARSDALE TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE FROM 12 EIGHT PERMITTED TO 19 TO 1891 PROPOSED. AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS NOW THOUGH? [01:35:01] WE'RE APPROVING IT. OKAY. WELL, YOU HAVE TO READ YOUR, YEAH, WE HAVE TO READ THE THING AND THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING. UM, WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET A COMPLIANCE, AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRE NO FURTHER SEEK A CONSIDERATION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. AYE. DO I HAVE A MO I'M SORRY. DO I HAVE A, A MOTION ON THIS? YES. MADAM CHAIR. I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION AND CASE NUMBER 26 0 7 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE. SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS STAMPED, RECEIVED MARCH 16TH, 2026, SUBMIT SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN. PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN. THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENT SHOWN ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. ONLY. ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE. OH, I'M SORRY. UH, WE, THE FINDINGS WOULD BE YES, THE FINDINGS WILL BE AVAILABLE BUT NOT THIS EVENING. AND YOU ARE WELCOME TO GET IT FROM THE, FROM OUR SECRETARY AND IT WOULD BE ALSO IN THE RECORDS. NEXT CASE IS CASE 26 10. AUDREY. CONVENIENCE. NO. OH 1 26 0 1. 26 0 1. I'M SORRY. I'VE HAD A ROUGH DAY TODAY. YEAH, FLIP. OKAY. WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE, AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THIS SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIREMENT OR FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I, I DON'T WHO, WHO HAS, OH, SORRY. THE, THE SEEKER. OH, SORRY. SEEKER. SECOND. AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION. SECOND. NOW I SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AND CHAIR VOTES? AYE. UM, MADAM, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I, I DO. MADAM CHAIR. UM, I MOTION THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 26 0 1 BE DENIED. I SECOND THAT. OH, I SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. UM, THE FINDINGS, UM, THE APPLICANT OWNS PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE R FIVE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT AND PROPOSES TO OBTAIN A USE VARIANCE TO KEEP CHICKENS, UM, OR FOUL ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND IF GRANTED, LEGALIZE A CHICKEN COOP ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. IN ORDER TO DO SO, THE APPLICANT REQUIRES THE FOLLOWING VARIANCE FOR THE PROVISIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A USE VARIANCE TO KEEP CHICKENS OR FOUL ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND IF GRANTED, THE APPLICANT SEEKS AN AREA VARIANCE FROM SECTION 2 85 DASH 16 B FIVE C OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE REAR PROPERTY LINE FROM EIGHT FEET, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO SIX FEET, WHICH IS PROPOSED. THAT'S IT. UM, THOSE AREN'T, THOSE AREN'T FINDINGS? NO. THE FINDINGS. THE FINDINGS. THE FINDINGS AVAILABLE [01:40:01] THROUGH THE SECRETARY. YES. FINDINGS WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE SECRETARY AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 26 0 1 10 10. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I'M JUST READING IT THAT WAY. 26 10. WE ARE ADURING THAT WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS THAT'S RIGHT. WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT MAKING YEAH, WE'RE ADJOURNING IT. YES, WE'RE ADJOURNING THAT ONE. THAT IS TO WHAT, WHAT DAY? TO WHAT? JUNE 18TH. JUNE. JUNE 18TH. JUNE 18TH. AND THAT CASE WOULD BE ADJOURNED TO THE MEETING AT, ON JUNE 18TH, BEGINNING AT 7:00 PM OKAY. GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE, AND ENJOY YOUR MEMORIAL DAY. YOU TOO ADJOURNED. YES, WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.