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GOOD, GOOD AFTERNOON.UH, WELCOME TARA TOWN BOARD MEETING.
UH, THIS IS A WORK SESSION AND UM, THE FIRST ITEM IS, UM, AN ETHICS COMPLAINT.
CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ITEM? DON'T, WELL, WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN ATTENDANCE, THE COMPLAINANT.
AND THE COMPLAINANT, SO I WOULD SUGGEST INVITING THEM.
IS THIS, UH, OPEN OR A CLOSED PORTION THAT THIS INVOLVES PERSONNEL? THIS IS, THIS IS WORK SESSION? NO, I'M JUST ASKING.
TYPICALLY YOU HEAR AN ETHICS COMPLAINT IN AN OR OPEN PORTION OF THE MEETING.
AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS IN FURTHER DETAIL WITH LEGAL ADVICE THAT OCCUR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.
WHO SHOULD SOMEONE HERE, DO YOU WANNA CALL UP HERE? YOU CAN BOTH COME UP.
COULD YOU, JOE, WOULD YOU JUST GO OVER, UH, WHY THE TOWN BOARD IS HEARING AN ETHICS COMPLAINT IN THIS CASE? YES.
SO TYPICALLY IT GOES TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS, UH, BUT THIS COMPLAINT WAS MADE AGAINST THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD IN ETHICS.
SO IN THAT CASE, THE TOWN BOARD HEARS THE CASE AND MAKES A DETERMINATION.
UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELVES? PLEASE? TALK CLOSER.
I'M HAL AMS. I'M THE COMPLAINANT, UH, TIMOTHY HAYES, UH, CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS.
SO HOW DO YOU WANT TO GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE COMPLAINT? IN BRIEF TERMS, I ACCUSED THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS OF VIOLATING THE CODE OF ETHICS, WHICH IS THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS TO ADMINISTER.
ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE IS THAT EACH YEAR AN ANNUAL REPORT BE PRODUCED BY MARCH 15TH OF THAT, OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR.
EVERY YEAR SINCE 2007, UP THROUGH 2023, THE BOARD OF ETHICS HAS PRODUCED AN ANNUAL REPORT FOR THE YEARS 24 AND 2024 AND 2025, DURING WHICH MR. HAYES IS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS, PREVIOUSLY A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS.
NO SUCH ANNUAL REPORT HAS PRODUCED, DESPITE MY REPEATED WARNINGS AND ADVISEMENTS, BOTH SUMMON PEER IN THE MINUTES, SOME BY EMAILS AT LEAST SIX OR SEVEN TIMES.
IN FACT, WARNING HIM IN DECEMBER OF THE 2024 FIVE, THAT AN ETHICS COMPLAINT WAS FORTHCOMING, REPEATED AGAIN IN JANUARY, 2025 AND AGAIN, IGNORED.
THE ANNUAL REPORTS HAVE NOT YET BEEN PRODUCED.
THERE ARE OTHER IRREGULARITIES, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP YOU WANT TO GO INTO IT, BUT FOR NOW, LET'S START WITH THOSE.
WELL, THAT WAS THE SUBJECT OF THIS COMPLAINT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE TODAY.
MR. HAYES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND? THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF, CAN YOU PULL THAT, UH, MIC CLOSER PLEASE? SURE.
I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE, UH, BOARD OF ETHICS SINCE 2019, AND MR. SAMIS OVER HERE HAS BEEN A REGULAR ATTENDEE AT EACH OF THE MEETINGS HE COMES IN, HE FREQUENTLY HARRISES UH, MEMBERS OF OUR COMMITTEE, INCLUDING THE PAST TWO SECRETARIES WHO HAVE, IT'S, IT'S IN WRITING.
THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE HARASSMENT HE HAS PRODUCED, HE'S THREATENED BOTH OF THEM.
HE THREATENED MY PREDECESSOR AS CHAIRMAN, MR. SPIN, WHICH IS WHY WE NOW HAVE A UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICER ATTENDING OUR, OUR ETHICS MEETINGS WHERE NONE ATTENDED BEFORE 2021 OR 22 AFTER MR. SAMS CAUSED A RUCKUS AT A PREVIOUS MEETING AS, UH, FOR THE, UH, THE REPORTS, WHICH I GUESS HE COULD HAVE FILED HIMSELF.
THERE'S SIMPLY A RECAP OF THE, UH, OPINIONS THAT ARE POSTED ON THE TOWN WEBSITE.
SO THEY'RE THERE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE.
THESE REPORTS, WHICH ARE FILED NOW CONTAIN NOTHING THAT, UH, THAT WASN'T ON THE TOWN WEBSITE.
UM, I, I FIND IT AN AFFRONT THAT HE HAS EVEN GIVEN TIME HERE.
HE SITS THERE AND PICKS AT MEMBERS OF THE MEETING.
HE LEERS AT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, UH, OF MY COMMITTEE, OF MY BOARD AND MAKES PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE, WHICH IS AGAIN, WHY MY PREDECESSOR ARRANGED FOR A POLICE OFFICER AND A ST.
STENOGRAPHER TO ATTEND THE, UH, THE, THE, THE MEETINGS.
UM, SO, SO, SO GOING BACK TO THE COMPLAINT, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FILED AS OF THIS POINT? I INHERITED THE CHAIRMANSHIP IN, UM, UH,
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JANUARY OF 2025.MY PREDECESSOR WAS GOING ORIGINALLY TO FILE THE ANNUAL REPORT FOR HIS LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS 2024.
UH, IT LINGERED ON, I WAS LATE AND I HAD OTHER THINGS TO DO.
I HAVE A BUSY LIFE CAREER, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T GET, UH, UH, FILED.
UH, AS, AS IT WOULD BE TIMELY.
NOTHING WAS LOST IN THE REALM OF TIME BECAUSE AGAIN, ANY OF THE OPINIONS AND COMPLAINTS WERE ON THE TOWN WEBSITE.
IF ANYONE WAS CURIOUS, AS SOME PEOPLE ARE, THEY COULD LOOK AT THE WEBSITE AND, UH, AND DETERMINE THIS.
ANYWAY, THE REPORTS ARE FILED.
THERE ARE TWO PAGES A PIECE, AND I HOPE, UH, THAT IT, UH, BRINGS SATISFACTION TO THE ONE PERSON IN THE TOWN WHO SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN UPSET THAT THE, UH, REPORTS WEREN'T POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE TOWN BOARD? NO.
SO THE ONLY ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS, UH, THE FACT THAT IT WAS LATE.
NOT THAT IT WASN'T, THAT THE, THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE NOW, THE INFORMATION'S COMMONLY AVAILABLE.
WE HAVE A STENOGRAPHER WHO TOOK THE, YOU KNOW, THE, WHO HAS RECORDED PUBLICLY EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING'S AVAILABLE.
THERE ARE NO SECRETS IN THESE, IN THESE, UH, REPORTS WHICH ARE FILED.
HOW MANY, UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW MANY OPINIONS DOES ETHICS BOARD ISSUE? LIKE EVERY, EVERY YEAR? IT VARIES.
IN 2026, WE HAD FIVE OPINIONS AND ONE ADVISORY OPINION, WHICH WAS YOURS? UH, UH, YEAH, WE HAD FIVE OPINIONS IN 2025.
IN RESPONSE TO COMPLAINTS, ONE ADVISORY OPINION, IN 2024, WE HAD ONE ADVISORY OPINION, UH, REQUEST TO, UH, BY CITIZENS THAT WAS, UH, SETTLED IN, UM, UH, BECAME A, UH, PHASE ONE INVESTIGATION AND WAS SETTLED IN 2025.
YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S AN AFFRONT THAT WE ACTUALLY ARE MEETING, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
NO, I WASN'T TRYING TO INSULT THE, THE BOARD OR THE HONORABLE PERSONS HERE.
IT'S THE, UH, UH, COMPLAINANT WHO SEEMS TO HAVE SOME, SOME IS, IS FREQUENTLY PETTY INTERRUPTS THE MEETINGS.
HE'S, HE ATTENDS AND WE'VE BEEN PATIENT WITH HIM.
COULD I GO BACK TO THE NUMBER? DID YOU SAY 1, 2, 3, 4? THERE WERE SIX IN 2025 AND ONE IN 2026.
THAT WAS AN ADVISORY AND FIVE OPINIONS IN 2025, INCLUDING THE BIG ONE THAT WAS CARRIED OVER FROM 24, UH, AND AN ADVISORY OPINION.
BUT THESE, ALL THE OPINIONS, UH, ARE, UH, ARE FILED.
UH, THEY'RE FREE THROUGH THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT.
UH, THEY WERE, THEY WERE UNANIMOUS.
WE HAD A RECUSAL IN A COUPLE OF CASES, BUT THERE'S, THEY'RE GENERALLY UNANIMOUS, UH, OPINIONS.
UM, HOW, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPINION, HOW QUICKLY DOES THE, DOES THE OPINION GET POSTED? WELL, WE HAVE, WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE A GOOD VOLUNTEER COUNSEL IN MR. MALARA, UH, WHO WRITES THE, THE LEGAL OPINION BASED ON OUR CONVERSATIONS AT THE, UH, BOARD OF ETHICS.
UH, ONCE IT IS, UH, VOTED ON AND, UH, APPROVED OR NOT AT THE FOLLOWING ETHICS BOARD MEETING, UH, THEN THE SECRETARY IS IN INSTRUCTED TO TELL, UH, MS, UH, RO TO POST IT ON THE TOWN WEBSITE.
SO IT'S, UH, POSTED WITHIN A, A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME JUST FOR, FOR EVERYONE WHO IS LISTENING IN, UM, HOW OFTEN ARE THE ETHICS BOARD MEETINGS? WE HAVE NINE IN 2024 AND 10 IN 2025.
UH, AND, UH, COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN WROTE THE BOARD OF THE, THE, THE CODE OF ETHICS.
AND WE'RE LUCKY TO, AND WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE HIM HERE BECAUSE HE HAS, UH, THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE, UH, OF THE CODE.
UH, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE, BE BETWEEN, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE 10 MEETINGS A YEAR.
WE POSTPONED TWO MEETINGS BECAUSE, UH, ONE OF THE COMPLAINANTS, UH, WAS, WAS ILL AND HAD TO POSTPONE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
AND THAT WAS THE MATTER THAT WE DECIDED, WE DECIDED LATER IN THE YEAR, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, THE, THE, THE COMPLAINANT AND HIS ATTORNEY, WHO, UH, WAS ALSO HIS WIFE, UH, WERE NOT AVAILABLE, SO OKAY, BUT NINE TO 10.
SO, SO WHILE YOU DID NOT AGGREGATE THEM AS A SINGLE REPORT, THEY WERE REPORTED AFTER EACH MEETING, UM, WITHIN THE, THE, BY THE NEXT MEETING ONLINE, YES.
BY MS. KROO BEFORE THE NEXT, BEFORE THE NEXT, UH, IN-PERSON MEETING.
THEY WERE POSTED ONLINE AFTER THEY WERE VOTED, VALIDATED AND, AND RECORDED, YEAH.
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OKAY.BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE ACTUAL ANNUAL REPORT, RIGHT? YOU'RE DOING EACH INDIVIDUALLY, WHEN I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE YEAR, COULD JUST LOOK AT WHAT'S ONLINE.
'CAUSE I'VE HELD POST ON THEM.
UM, BUT THAT ACTUAL REPORT THAT WAS DUE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT WASN'T POSTED.
BUT THAT'S, THESE WERE, THESE WERE LATE.
DID YOU ANTICIPATE ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA KEEP YOU FROM POSTING IT? NO.
THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW WHAT, BECAUSE I INHERITED THIS ROLE LAST YEAR, IT WAS, IT WAS A DIFFERENCE IN THE STENCIL THAT I WAS, UH, THINKING OF USING FOR THE ANNUAL REPORT, AND ONE WAS LENGTHIER THAN NEEDED TO BE, AND IT TIED ME UP.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, UM, AGAIN, I JUST WAS, WAS BUSY AND, UH, UH, NO ONE, NO ONE HAD REALLY ASKED, UH, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE, UH, THE ANNUAL REPORT.
NO ONE HAD SAID, HEY, THERE IS ONLY ONE OUTSIDER WHO'S HERE TODAY WHO SEEMS TO BE CONSUMED.
SO YOU'LL, YOU COMMIT NOW TO MAKING SURE TO GET THOSE REPORTS IN, IN A TIMELY FASHION, I PROMISE, BY THE, UH, THE, THE POINTED TIME.
I WILL HAVE, UH, THOSE, THOSE ANNUAL REPORTS THERE FOR THE CURIOUS, AND AGAIN, ALL THE, THERE'S NOTHING MISSING, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS ANNUAL REPORT THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN POSTED ON THE, ON THE TOWN'S WEBSITE.
BY YOUR VERY EFFICIENT STAFF, I MIGHT ADD, I HAVE TO PUT A PLUG IN FOR THEM, BECAUSE WHEN WE ASK THEM TO PUT SOMETHING UP, IT'S UP.
WE WILL DISCUSS INTERNALLY AND GET BACK TO YOU BOTH.
UH, DO I HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TIME? YES.
MR. HAYES IS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS.
MIKE, HOPE YOU LEAN INTO THE MEGA.
HE'S BEEN ON THAT BOARD FOR A LONG TIME.
IN FACT, HIS TERM HAS EXPIRED.
YOU HAVEN'T RENEWED YET FROM DECEMBER, 2024 AS A CHAIR OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS, I WOULD EXPECT HIM TO SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THE REST OF THE MEMBERS WHO DON'T LAST AS LONG AS HE HAS GENERALLY AS SERVING ON THE BOARD OF ETHICS, AS FOR HIS EXCUSE THAT HE WASN'T ABLE TO PREPARE IT.
IN FACT, HE HAS GIVEN THAT EXCUSE TWICE IN THE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH AND SAID HE WOULD ACCOMPLISH IT IN 2025 FOR 2024.
IT'S NOT JUST 2024 THAT'S BEHIND IT'S 2025, WHICH ALSO WAS DUE MARCH 15TH OF THIS YEAR.
WHETHER THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE OTHER PLACES IS NOT THE ISSUE.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KEEP THE CODE OF ETHICS, THAT'S ANOTHER THING.
BUT WHILE IT LASTS AND EXISTS, I WOULD EXPECT OF ALL PEOPLE ON THE BOARD OF ETHICS, THE CHAIR, TO FOLLOW IT.
NOW, HE'S BROUGHT A WHOLE BUNCH OF ALLEGATIONS ABOUT MY BEHAVIOR, WHY I ATTEND THESE MEETINGS, AND I ATTEND THESE MEETINGS SOLELY BECAUSE OF WHAT GOES ON AT THESE MEETINGS, WHICH I FIND INCONSISTENT WITH THE CODE IN GENERAL.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU ARE ALSO REQUIRED TO PRODUCE MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS.
THE INFORMATION WHICH IS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO LOOK ON THE WEBSITE, YOU'RE REQUIRED BY THE CODE TO PRODUCE THEM WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF THE MEETING.
THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT I KEEP POINTING OUT TO HIM, TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS.
SO FOR THE MAY 21ST MEETING, THOSE MINUTES ARE NOT PRESENT, EVEN THOUGH THEY KNEW AT THE MAY MEETING WHEN THE JUNE MEETING WAS SCHEDULED, WHICH IS JUNE 16TH, I BELIEVE, THURSDAY DAY, IT DOESN'T APPEAR ON THE TOWN'S AGENDA.
AND THE REASON I SUSPECT FOR THIS, ALONG WITH OTHER MEETINGS, WHICH ARE THERE, EVEN THROUGH JULY FROM OTHER VOLUNTEER AGENCIES, THEY DO NOT WANNA HAVE THE PUBLIC ATTEND.
THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE IN THE PAST WHO HAVE ATTENDED, BUT HAVE GIVEN UP IN FRUSTRATION AT WHAT GOES ON.
AND HERE'S A PERSON WHO'S SUPPOSED TO SET AN EXAMPLE FOR THE MEMBERS WHO COME AND GO, AS I SAID.
AND IN FACT, THE OPINIONS ARE PRODUCED BY THE VOLUNTEER COUNCIL, NOT BY MR. HAYES.
SO ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS COMPILE THEM.
AND HE'S HAD, IN CASE OF THE 2024 OVER A YEAR TO DO SO, HE'S ADMITTED IN THE MINUTES THAT I GAVE YOU THAT HE WAS WORKING ON IT, AND HE STILL HASN'T PRODUCED THEM.
I KNOW THIS SOUNDS LIKE A TRIVIAL MATTER ON ITS FACE, BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT'S GOING BELOW THE SURFACE ON THIS.
AND THE VERY FACT IS HE SITS HERE AND HE STILL DOESN'T, HASN'T PRODUCED THEM.
HE'S HAD AMPLE, AMPLE WARNING THAT HE SITS BEFORE YOU, HE'S GOING TO PRODUCE THEM.
THAT'S NOT WHAT I EXPECT FROM A CHAIR OF THE CODE OF, UH, OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS.
AND IT COMES DOWN TO VERY SIMPLY, EITHER YOU LIVE BY YOUR
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CODE, CHANGE IT, BUT RIGHT NOW THE CODE EXISTS.AND IT SAYS VERY CLEARLY, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT WITHOUT WARNING THAT I'VE TOLD HIM THIS, AND IT'S IN YOUR MINUTES.
ON FIVE OCCASIONS, ON TWO OF THOSE OCCASIONS, HE'S EVEN RESPONDED THAT HE KNOWS IT'S DUE, BUT HE'S WORKING ON IT.
THIS WAS WHAT HE STATED IN 2025.
SO IF HE'S A GOOD BOY NOW BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE HE'S HOPING FOR A RULING IN HIS FAVOR.
HE HASN'T BEEN A GOOD BOY ALL ALONG.
AND THE REASON I ATTEND THIS IS THERE HAS TO BE SOMEBODY THERE TO WATCH, BECAUSE THEIR MEETINGS ARE NOT BROADCAST, THEY'RE NOT ARCHIVED ON VIDEO.
AND WHAT GOES ON THERE, WHO KNOWS, OTHER THAN MYSELF AND THIS STENOGRAPHER, UH, I'M NOT GONNA DIGNIFY ANYTHING THAT HE SAID IN THIS LAST PARAGRAPH.
I'LL JUST SAY HE FREQUENTLY, HE IS, HE IS AT OUR MEETINGS AT, AT ALL TIMES.
ANYONE HERE AT THIS TABLE IS INVITED AND MR. DANKO IS THERE, AND MS. MAGNA ATTENDS ANYONE IS THERE TO WELCOME AND COME AND AUDIT OUR MEETINGS.
BUT THERE'S, AS I SAID, HE HAS THREATENED, UH, AT LEAST TWO OF OUR, THREE OF OUR, UH, MEMBERS IN THE PAST FORMER CHAIR, MR. SPIN, UH, MS. HOLLAND, OUR FORMER SECRETARY, UH, MR. SIEGEL, OUR, OUR CURRENT SECRETARY THREATENED.
HE IS, THIS IS, COULD YOU SOMETHING YOU DEFINE THREATEN? EXCUSE ME.
UH, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK YOU'RE, I THINK YOU'RE A PETTY HUMAN BEING.
AND I, HEY, LET'S NOT MAKE FURTHER, LET'S NOT MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS.
AND LET'S STICK TO THE COMPLAINT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
DO YOU NEED ONE MORE CHAIR? I CAN BACK HERE.
ANOTHER CHAIR IS A CHAIR, RIGHT.
GARY, CAN YOU GRAB THAT CHAIR FOR THE GENTLEMAN, PLEASE? THANK YOU.
SO, UM, THE NEXT ITEM, IT IS, UH, FROM CLIFF, UH, CEMETERY, SAY, PLAN AMENDMENT.
UH, JACQUELYN COHEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS OR? YES.
I'M AN ASSOCIATE AT ZAIN AND STEIN METZ.
UM, WITH ME TONIGHT IS JAMES CARAS FROM JMC, UH, PHIL TASSIE FROM FERNCLIFF AND ONLINE.
WE ARE JOINED BY JOHN MANGAN FROM MANGAN GROUP ARCHITECTS, UM, WHO IS THE PROJECT ARCHITECT.
UM, SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT, UH, TO INTRODUCE FERN CLIFF'S PROPOSAL, UM, TO EXPAND ITS SHRINE AND MEMORIES MAUSOLEUM BUILDING.
UM, THEY'RE SEEKING AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 15,122 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, SO AS YOU'LL SEE, IT'S A MINOR EXPANSION IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OVERALL SITE.
UM, BUT IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY FOR FERNCLIFFE TO INCREASE ITS BURIAL CAPACITY AT THE CEMETERY SO IT CAN CONTINUE TO OFFER, UM, BURIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR YEARS TO COME.
SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO STARTING THIS PROCESS WITH YOUR BOARD.
UM, AND I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JAMES TO JUST TAKE YOU THROUGH THE, THE PLAN AND THE PROJECT DETAILS, AND THEN WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I JUST, UH, CAN DIRECT EVERYONE'S, UH, ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN HERE.
UM, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, CAN YOU EXPAND THAT? UH, I, I'LL LOOK ON MY COMPUTER.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS AN OVERALL, UH, AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE 64 ACRE, UH, FRANKLIN CLIFF PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF SEACO ROAD.
AND, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE HERE THAT THERE ARE THREE EXISTING MAUSOLEUM BUILDINGS, UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, FRANKLIN MAUSOLEUM ON THE WESTERN PORTION, THE, UH, ROSEWOOD MAUSOLEUM, UH, IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE, UH, RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED IN THE, UH, LATE NINETIES.
AND THEN THE SUBJECT OF THIS AMENDED APPLICATION, THE SHRINE OF MEMORIES BUILDING, UH, WHICH WAS INITIALLY CONSTRUCTED IN THE 1950S, AND THEN ADDED ONTO, UH, IN SUBSEQUENT ADDITIONS, UH, MOST RECENTLY IN THE EIGHTIES.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, THE MAP HERE, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING IS, UH, THIS AREA IN BLUE ON THE FRONT OF THE SHRINE, WHICH, UH, REPRESENTS THE PROPOSED UNIT ZERO BUILDING ADDITION.
AND YOU, THE BOARD MAY RECALL THAT IN 2020, FERNCLIFFE BROUGHT FORTH A SIMILAR APPLICATION FOR A MAUSOLEUM EXPANSION,
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UH, OF THIS BUILDING.UH, THAT WAS, UH, A NEW SECOND STORY ON TOP OF THE EXISTING FIRST FLOOR.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS APPLICATION DOES IS TAKE THAT PRIOR APPROVAL THAT THAT BUILDING EXPANSION ON THE SECOND FLOOR, AND MOVES IT ONTO THE GROUND DIRECTLY IN FRONT AND ATTACH TO THE, UH, EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, SO IT'S SIMILAR IN SIZE AND IN SCOPE AS THE, UM, FORMER PROJECT, UM, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT IN THAT IT IS ON THE GROUND.
IT DOES INCREASE THE FOOTPRINT, AND THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL MINOR SITE PLAN, UH, CHANGES THAT NEED TO OCCUR AS A RESULT OF THAT.
SO IF WE GO JUST VERY QUICKLY INTO THIS NEXT PACKAGE HERE, THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURAL, UH, RENDERING OF, UH, THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDED UNIT ZERO.
UM, THE TOP OF THE, THE, THE SCREEN HERE IS THE, UH, UH, VIEW, UH, LOOKING NORTH AT THE FRONT OF THE SITE.
UH, AND THEN THE BOTTOM IS A, IS A MORE, UH, PERSPECTIVE VIEW LOOKING, UH, FROM THE, UH, SOUTHEAST, UH, NORTH.
AND YOU CAN SEE HOW IT INTEGRATES WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING IN THE REAR.
UH, IT DOES TRANSITION DOWN TO A ONE STORY STRUCTURE AND THEN BACK UP TO A TWO STORY STRUCTURE IN THE REAR.
UH, BUT THE ARCHITECTURAL CUES HERE, UH, REALLY PROVIDE A NICE, COHESIVE, UM, ARCHITECTURE AMONG THE OTHER MAUSOLEUM STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THE SITE.
AND, UH, THERE'S, UH, SOME NICE LANDSCAPING ALSO THAT'S, UH, PROPOSED, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SITE PLAN.
NEXT HERE, JUST FOR A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT OF THE SITE PLAN AND THE CHANGES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPOSAL, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS IN BLUE, THE PROPOSED BUILDING ADDITION, AND THE BEIGE IN THE BACK IS THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
UM, ACCESS TO THIS FACILITY, UH, IS MAINTAINED, UM, ON ALL FOUR SIDES UNDER EXISTING AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
THERE ARE VERY MINOR CHANGES TO THE PARKING CONFIGURATION IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A NET INCREASE IN PARKING SPACES OF THREE SPACES.
UH, FERNCLIFFE HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OVER THE YEARS IN MANAGING THEIR, UH, SERVICES AND THEIR MEMORIALS AND THE VISITATION ON SITE.
SO, UH, THE PARKING AND ACCESS HERE IS SUFFICIENT FOR THEIR NEEDS.
THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE, UM, CURB CUTS OR ACCESS ON CCO ROAD.
ALL OF THE CIRCULATION REMAINS THE SAME.
THESE CHANGES ARE PURELY INTERNAL TO THE SITE.
NOW, AS, UH, AS WAS THE CASE WITH THE ORIGINAL AMENDED, UH, APPROVAL, UM, THERE WERE SIX AREA VARIANCES THAT WERE REQUIRED, UM, FROM THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS.
THIS PROJECT REQUIRES THE SAME EXACT SIX VARIANCES, ALTHOUGH THE DIMENSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
UH, THOSE ARE, UH, BUILDING HEIGHT, UM, BUILDING COVERAGE, BUILDING FOOTPRINT, LENGTH, DEPTH.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS A CATCHALL FOR ENLARGING AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
SO WE'VE, UM, HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY CONCURRENCE WITH YOUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT THOSE, UH, VARIANCES ARE WHAT NEEDS TO BE PURSUED HERE.
SO, PROCESS WISE, YOU KNOW, WE PLAN TO PERFECT OUR SITE PLAN APPLICATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, SUBMIT THAT TO YOU, UH, REQUESTING A REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR AMENDED SITE PLAN REVIEW, AND THEN AT THE RIGHT TIME, UH, APPEAR BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, UH, TO PRESENT THE VARIANCES AND THE RELIEF REQUIRED TO THEM, UM, WHEN ULTIMATELY YOUR BOARD HOLDS SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THIS PROPERTY, AND THAT IT'S GREATER THAN FIVE ACRES IN SIZE.
UM, THE LAST THING I WANNA TOUCH ON HERE, UH, IS A CONDITION THAT WAS, UH, ATTACHED TO THE PRIOR APPROVAL, UH, WHICH HAD TO DO WITH A OFFSITE DRAINAGE, UH, ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED.
AND I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THE PROPOSED ADDITION, UM, IS NOT, IT'S A DIFFERENT DRAINAGE AREA THAN THE ISSUE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
SO THE PROPERTY IS SO LARGE THAT THERE'S MULTIPLE DRAINAGE AREAS AND THINGS FLOW TO DIFFERENT AREAS.
THEY DON'T IMPACT ONE ANOTHER.
THIS PROJECT WILL BE SEPARATE AND MANAGED AND HANDLED SEPARATELY THAN THE MITIGATION IN THE CORNER.
HOWEVER, UM, SINCE THE PRIOR APPROVAL, FERNCLIFF HAS BEEN PURSUING SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO, UH, TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WORKS BOTH FOR FERNCLIFF ONSITE AND POTENTIAL, UH, OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE GENE AND JENNIFER LANE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, THE ENGINEERING STAFF OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AND ACTUALLY PAST, I THINK TWO YEARS ALMOST, UM, DURING THE APPROVAL EXTENSIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS GRACIOUSLY CONSIDERED AND GRANTED, UM, TO COME UP WITH, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF, UH, VARIOUS SCENARIOS.
UH, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT OPTIONS AND, AND THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT IMPROVEMENT.
UM, MOST RECENTLY, UH, WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WE MET WITH THEM AND, UH, THEY RECOMMENDED TO TAKE ANOTHER HARD LOOK ONSITE TO SEE WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE DONE ONSITE, UM, IN AREAS THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE CONSIDERED PREVIOUSLY IN JUST EXPLORING ALL OPTIONS, UM, JUST SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN BETTER, UH, CONTROL, UH, WHEN THOSE HAPPEN, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, FERNCLIFFE
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CAN REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.WHEREAS IF YOU GET OFF, OFF THE PREP, THE PROPERTY, IT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT WITH OTHER PARTIES, NAMELY THE TOWN INVOLVED.
SO WE'RE FULLY AWARE THAT THAT, UH, CONDITION NEEDS TO CARRY FORWARD WITH ANY, UH, SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL THAT THIS, THE TOWN CONSIDERS.
AND WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT, AND IT WILL BE A, WILL BE PART OF OUR FUTURE PRESENTATIONS TO THE TOWN.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX MONTHS THAT YOU COULDN'T DO IN SIX YEARS? WELL, THE, THE, THE ITEM HERE IS THAT ANY IMPROVEMENT THAT FERNCLIFF DOES, IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO A PROJECT.
AND THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES THAT THEY MAKE HAVE TO BE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO CEMETERY IMPROVEMENTS.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE, UH, PROJECT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, WHICH IS NO LONGER BEING CONSIDERED, IS THAT, UH, THE, THE STATE CEMETERY REVIEW BOARD, UM, MAY HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH, UH, MAINTAINING, UH, ACCESS TO THE EXISTING MEMORIAL, UH, SITES DURING CONSTRUCTION.
SO DURING THE DETAILED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTATION, DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROJECT, UH, LOGISTICS AND STRUCTURAL THINGS AND MEANS AND METHODS AND CONSTRUCTABILITY OF HOW IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY DONE, UH, LOOKED LIKE THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN PERIODS OF TIME WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO CLOSE AISLES OR PREVENT ACCESS.
AND THAT WAS JUST A NON-STARTER WITH, UH, WITH THE STATE.
AND, UM, SIMILARLY, THE, THE INITIAL ONSITE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE CONTEMPLATED HAD ANOTHER COMPONENT OF SIMILAR TO THAT, WHERE THERE WAS SOME STORAGE BEING DONE IN THAT CORNER AND TEMPORARILY MAKING THOSE GRAVES INACCESSIBLE.
SO, UH, FOR THOSE REASONS, THE ALTERNATIVE BUILDING WAS CONSIDERED, AND ALSO THE ALTERNATIVE DRAINAGE SOLUTIONS ARE ALSO BEING CONSIDERED.
SO, UH, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME SINCE THOSE PRIOR APPROVALS, UH, AND WE FULLY INTEND TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THAT ARE COMPARABLE AND COMPARABLE TO THE ORIGINAL MITIGATION THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED.
UH, BUT IT HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO A PROJECT THAT, THAT THEY BRING FORWARD.
YEAH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT, BUT THE WATER IS STILL COMING OFF OF FERNCLIFF TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UM, THE PRIOR APPROVAL, UM, CONSIDERED FAVORABLY THE PROJECT IN PART BECAUSE OF THE ADDRESSING THE RUNOFF THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY DEVASTATING TO NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
NOW YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THE ONE THAT WILL ACTUALLY FIX THAT DRAINAGE PROB PROPERTY.
YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS PROJECT OR ASKING FOR APPROVALS FOR THIS PROJECT, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT DA DRAIN DRAINAGE DISTRICT, SO THEREFORE YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE TO DO THOSE PRIOR APPROVALS.
UH, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY APPROVE THIS WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FIX A PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN GONE ONGOING FOR A LONG TIME? WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT, OKAY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MITIGATE AND SOLVE THOSE, THOSE PROBLEMS. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE IDENTIFYING THAT THOSE ISSUES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
THOSE AREN'T GOING AWAY UNTIL THEY ARE ADDRESSED.
WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT THE NEW PROJECT IS HANDLED ON ITS OWN SEPARATELY, IT GOES TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY CONNECTED.
ONE DOES NOT IMPACT THE OTHER FROM A DRAINAGE STANDPOINT.
THEY BOTH HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.
SO THAT, JUST FOR CLARITY, BUT YOU SAID IT HAS, THE DRAINAGE WORK HAS TO BE ATTACHED TO CONSTRUCTION WORK.
SO IF, IF THAT, CAN YOU APPEND THAT DRAINAGE WORK EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN A DIFFERENT SPOT SO THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED? IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION? BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD, OR AT LEAST NOT NOW MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT NORTHWEST CORNER, IS IT NORTHWEST PROPERTY? UM, THEN HOW IS IT THAT YOU ADDRESS THAT DRAINAGE OTHER THAN TO ATTACH IT TO THE, THIS PROJECT? WELL, WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IT IS ATTACHED TO A PROJECT AND IT DOES GET ADDRESSED.
AND WE'RE, SO WHAT PROJECT WOULD THAT BE? THIS AMENDED UNIT ZERO THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING RIGHT NOW? OH.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR YOU SAY THAT.
IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT, THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT, AND THEREFORE, UH, THAT PRIOR APPROVAL, THAT CONDITION DOESN'T REALLY RELATE TO THIS BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT DRAINAGE ISSUE.
THE, CAN I ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY? GO AHEAD AND ANSWER FIRST, PLEASE.
NO, THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY PART OF THE SAME PROJECT, THE SAME APPROVAL, THE SAME CONDITIONS, THE SAME, THE SAME IMPACTS.
MY POINT WAS WATER FLOWS IN ONE DIRECTION WITH THIS NEW PROJECT, AND IT FLOWS IN ANOTHER DIRECTION WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
ONE, THIS NEW PROJECT DOES NOT IMPACT THAT
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CORNER THAT HAS THE ISSUES THAT, THAT CO STILL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, AND IT WILL BE ADDRESSED.UM, BUT THE NEW, UH, THE NEW AMENDED UNIT ZERO PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETELY HANDLED AND, AND, AND TREATED SEPARATELY.
MEANING WE'RE NOT EXACERBATING THAT ISSUE WITH THE, THE DRAINAGE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER.
SO NOW, NOW YOU'RE BACK TO WHAT WE ALL HEARD YOU SAY INITIALLY.
SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PRIOR CONDITION THAT YOU FIXED THE, UH, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY THE NORTHEAST CORNER, UM, NORTHEAST, YEAH.
THE, UM, THAT, THAT WILL BE PART OF A CONDITION OF THIS APPROVAL? 100%.
I'M, SO, I APOLOGIZE IF THAT WASN'T CLEAR, BUT THAT IS, THAT'S OKAY.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE NOT, YOU WAS PUTTING THAT, PUTTING THAT PROJECT ASIDE TO WORK ON THIS NEW PROJECT.
SO MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO DO THE PROJECT THAT WE APPROVED A COUPLE YEARS AGO? WELL, SO IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT, THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT YOUR BOARD APPROVED BACK IN 2020, UM, SO THAT, SO FERNCLIFF IS GOING TO BE PURSUING THIS AMENDED SITE PLAN IN THE INTENT IS TO PURSUE THIS AMENDED SITE PLAN IN PLACE OF THAT PROJECT.
UM, BUT AS JAMES IS EXPLAINING, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE STORM WATER.
WE'RE STILL MA WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH ENGINEERING ON THESE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT A COM COMPREHENSIVE, UM, STORM WATER PLAN.
UM, BUT THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WAS APPROVED FROM CLIFF IS NOT INTENDING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT BECAUSE THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE NOW INTRODUCING AND STARTING THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS IS A BIT MORE FEASIBLE, UM, FOR THEM FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT HAVE TO, UM, CLOSE DOWN CERTAIN WINGS OF THE, UM, ACTIVE MAUSOLEUM IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION.
I, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT IT'S MOSTLY, I THINK WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE REMEDIATION OF THE FLOODING ISSUES IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THAT, THAT THAT'S AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS.
IT DIDN'T TAKE THAT IT'S NOT JUST BEING STUDIED, THAT THERE IS A PLAN FOR IMPLEMENTATION AND, UM, IF IT'S MORE COMPREHENSIVE, MORE POWER TO YOU.
UM, JUST WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT CLARITY, AND WE HEAR THAT.
AND THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE, UM, TONIGHT'S MEETING IS TO GET THIS SORT OF FEEDBACK SO THAT WE CAN TAKE IT, UM, AS WE, YOU KNOW, START THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.
AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN THINK ABOUT AS WE'RE, UM, AS JMC IS PREPARING THEIR PLANS AS WELL.
I, I'M WONDERING IF, UH, YOU HAD A CHANCE TO MEET WITH SOME OF THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS? UM, BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL EVERY TIME THERE'S A LAND USE, YOU KNOW, ISSUE, THERE SHOULD BE MEETINGS WITH THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION, UM, AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS, UM, AND THIS WAY THEY'RE BRIEFED IN ADVANCE, UM, OF EVEN SUBMISSION, YOU KNOW, SOME THE, EVEN IN ADVANCE OF THE ACTUAL BEGINNING OF THEIR PROCESS HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, ANSWER.
AND I ALSO FEEL THAT IT WOULD MAKE THE WHOLE REVIEW PROCESS, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE, YOU KNOW, SMOOTH, UH, EVEN JUST OFFERING TO HAVE A MEETING.
YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE MEETINGS IN PEOPLE'S HOMES, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS MORE INFORMAL AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL THAT IT GARNERS MORE TRUST FROM THE COMMUNITY.
WE, WE CAN CONNECT YOU WITH THE CIVIC ASSOCIATION LEADER OUT THERE IF YOU'D LIKE.
UH, IS, IS THE FOUNDATION OF THE ADDITION GOING TO BE BUILT IN A WAY THAT IT COULD HANDLE A SECOND STORY AND SHOULD YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE SPACE LATER? IT IS PROPOSED AS A TWO STORY STRUCTURE.
OH, IT'S ALREADY GONNA BE, YES.
SO THE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE, IS IT JUST A, YOU KNOW, CROSS BENEFIT THING, WHEREAS, UH, 'CAUSE PRIOR YOU WERE GOING TO GO UP A FULL STORY, WHICH WOULD SEEM LIKE IT WOULD GIVE YOU MANY MORE SPACES THAN, SO THE, UH, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE, UH, SECOND STORY EDITION IN INITIALLY APPROVED, UH, WAS GREATER THAN THE COMBINED TOTAL OF THE, UH, UH, NEW ADDITION.
SO, UH, THE FOOTPRINT HERE WE'RE AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UH, APPROXIMATELY 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT YIELDS APPROXIMATELY 30,000 SQUARE FEET TOTAL OF, UH, OF FLOOR AREA, UH, WITH A BASEMENT AS WELL.
UM, UH, SO IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY LARGE OR SMALLER IN TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAN THE PRIOR, UH, APPROVAL AS, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN THIS PICTURE.
UH, DOCUMENT, DRAFT DOCUMENT, UH, 4 2, 20, 26.
SO IT'S GONNA BE TWO STORIES, THEN DROP DOWN AND THEN GO BACK TO THE EXISTING.
AND HERE'S A, A, A PROFILE VIEW OF THAT.
SO THE MIDDLE AND BOTTOM ARE THE SIDE VIEWS.
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IN THE MIDDLE, UH, TOWARDS THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED ADDITION GOING DOWN TO ONE STORY IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN BACK UP TO TWO IN THE REAR.NEXT STEPS IF YOU ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUE ALL AS WELL.
SO YEAH, IF YOU DO HAVE, UM, DO YOU HAVE THE CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS, THAT WOULD BE VERY, OF COURSE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, ON THEIR MINDS, YOU MIGHT AS WELL MEET WITH THEM IN ADVANCE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'RE GONNA BE OUT AT THE MEETING AND THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME YOU WANT TO HEAR THEM DISCUSS WHATEVER ISSUES THEY HAVE.
BUT I HAVE NO DOUBT IT'S GONNA BE DRAINAGE.
IT'S A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE RUNOFF FROM.
NEXT, UH, WE HAVE, UM, CAR WASH, UM, AND UM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A ZONING MAP, AMENDMENT SITE PLAN, AND JENNIFER PORTER IS REPRESENTING THEM ON THE WRONG PAGE.
ANYONE HERE FROM THE CAR WASH WHO'S HERE FROM THE CARWASH? NO.
IS ANYONE HERE FROM SPARK CAR WASH? GARY CAR WASH? YES.
HI, HOW MANY PEOPLE'S JOINING YOU? UH, THERE WILL BE FOUR OF US.
WE JUST HAVE TO JACK YOU AROUND THE WE CAN SQUEEZE.
YEAH, IT APPEARS WE NEED ANOTHER CH OH, YOU HAVE ONE? OKAY.
IS IT EASIER FOR YOU TO SIT? DO YOU WANT ME TO YES, SURE.
AND JENNIFER, ARE YOU GONNA KICK THINGS OFF? YES.
SO WHILE FEEL FREE UPLOADING YES.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO? UH, LOG INTO THE ZOOM AND SHARE MY SCREEN.
HAVE THE WIFI ALL SET? UH, YES.
SO WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, UH, GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS.
I'M WITH CSG LAW AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT'S SPARK CAR WASH.
I CAN MOVE IT CLOSER TO YOU LIKE THIS.
UH, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT IN CONNECTION WITH OUR REQUEST FOR A PRE-SUBMISSION CONFERENCE WITH THE BOARD, UM, TO CONSIDER A POTENTIAL REZONING OF PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 67 SAW MILL RIVER ROAD.
UM, THAT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY LOCATED WITHIN THE DS DESIGNATED SHOPPING DISTRICT, UM, WHERE VARIOUS TYPES OF, OF COMMERCIAL USES ARE PERMITTED.
UM, WE ARE SEEKING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY TO LI, WHICH IS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ODDITY BECAUSE THE USE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING A CAR WASH IS A COMMERCIAL USE.
HOWEVER, IT'S NOT ONE CURRENTLY LISTED AMONG THE PERMITTED USES WITHIN THE DS ZONE.
UM, THE SITE IS SITUATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO OTHER LI ZONED PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MIXED USES WITHIN THE DIRECT VICINITY OF THE SITE.
SO YOU HAVE SAM'S CLUB DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE ARE A VARIETY OF WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS.
UM, THIS SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY A FLOORING COMPANY.
UH, THE SITE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER DID UNDERGO, UM, MULTIPLE EFFORTS TO TRY AND, UM, LEASE THE PROPERTY TO, TO VARIOUS TYPES OF COMMERCIAL ENTITIES.
THOSE PERMITTED WITHIN THE ZONE WITH NO SUCCESS, UM, UNTIL, YOU KNOW, THEY OBVIOUSLY WERE INTRODUCED TO THIS CLIENT.
UM, WHO WAS HAPPY TO, TO PROPOSE A COMMERCIAL USE FOR THE PROPERTY.
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HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEEK THE REZONING, UM, WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME REFERENCES WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WOULD ENCOURAGE THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY.UM, EVEN THOUGH IT IS WITHIN A, UM, CURRENTLY WITHIN A A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, UM, THE CODE SPECIFICALLY CONTEMPLATES, UM, COMMERCIAL USES WITHIN THE DIRECT VICINITY OF THIS SITE.
UM, IT DOES FRONT ALONG NINE, UH, ROUTE NINE, WHERE YOU ALSO HAVE, UM, SPECIAL ZONING THAT ALLOWS FOR MIXED TYPE USES, UM, PARTICULARLY AS THEY FRONT ALONG ROUTE NINE.
AND SO WE BELIEVE THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT CURRENTLY A PERMITTED USE WITHIN DS BY REZONING TO LI, WE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, ENCOURAGING THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WE WOULD BE, UM, REDEVELOPING A SITE WHICH HAS SET VACANT, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, CONTINUES TO, TO BASICALLY BE IN DETERIORATING CONDITION TO BRING A NEW FRESH USE, UM, TO THAT CRITICAL CORNER, WHICH, UM, YOU'VE SEEN COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE DIRECT VICINITY.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I'D LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. CANALE.
SO, SO YOU WERE, BUT OTHER LA PROPERTIES, CORRECT? FOUR ACTUALLY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UM, SO JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THE COMPANY, TELL YOU WHY THE SITE'S INTERESTING TO US AND WHY WE THINK IT'S GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, ANY QUESTIONS, CERTAINLY HAPPY TO, UH, ANSWER.
UM, SO WE'RE PRIVATELY OWNED AND OPERATED, UM, EXPRESS CAR WASH COMPANY BASED IN NEW JERSEY.
THE CLOSEST LOCATION WE HAVE OPENING CURRENTLY IS IN WEST NIAC AND ROCKLAND COUNTY.
UM, WE ARE A MODERN EXPRESS CAR WASH FACILITY.
UM, WE UTILIZE STATE-OF-THE-ART EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY WITHIN THE TUNNEL, UM, PROVIDING CUSTOMERS WITH A REALLY, UH, EFFICIENT, UM, EXPERIENCE AS THEY, UH, UTILIZE THE BUSINESS.
WE OFFER MEMBERSHIP, A MEMBERSHIP MODEL WHERE YOU CAN UTILIZE THE FACILITIES AS FREQUENTLY AS YOU'D LIKE.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A FLAT MONTHLY FEE.
WE ALSO OFFER, YOU KNOW, A RETAIL PAPER, PAPER, UM, PAPER WASH.
UM, WE HAVE THREE TO FOUR EMPLOYEES ON SITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
WHAT IS A PAPER WASH? JUST IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST FOR MEMBERS.
YOU COULD, ANYBODY, ANY, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC CAN GO AND JUST PAY AS THEY GO.
UM, OH, PAY PER WASH IS WHAT? PAPER? PAPER? NO.
I THOUGHT IT WAS LETTER PAPER.
UM, SO, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A LA IT'S NOT LIKE A LABOR HEAVY, UH, BUSINESS.
THE, THE EQUIPMENT WE INSTALL WITHIN THE FACILITY DOES THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK, THE CUSTOMER, EXCUSE ME, THE EMPLOYEES ARE THERE REALLY TO HELP, YOU KNOW, FACILITATE CLEANLINESS OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE PROPERTY AND ENGAGE WITH CUSTOMERS.
SO IT'S A VERY MUCH A, A RETAIL TYPE OF OPERATION.
UM, AND NOT, NO, NO MANUAL LABOR REALLY GOING ON.
UM, THE VACUUMS ARE AVAILABLE FOR CUSTOMERS TO USE AT NO ADDITIONAL COST.
YOU UTILIZE THE CAR WASH, UM, YOU COULD UTILIZE THE VACUUMS, UM, ON YOUR WAY, UH, OFF THE PREMISES.
AND, UM, UH, THE REASON WHY WE LIKE THE SITE AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY HERE IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE RETAIL IN, IN THE SURROUNDING AREA OFFERS A REALLY COMPLIMENTARY USE TO US.
WE, WE, WE, UM, POSITIONING OUR BUSINESS AMONGST THE SAM'S CLUB AND SHOP RIGHT AND SO FORTH, EXPOSES US TO, YOU KNOW, A REALLY LARGE AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS.
UM, AND TO BUILD OUR, BUILD ULTIMATELY OUR MEMBERSHIP, UH, BASE.
SO THIS LOCATION'S, UM, QUITE IDEAL.
I WOULD ALSO SAY THE CONFIGURATION, THE ACTUAL LAND ITSELF IS QUITE IDEAL FOR OUR USE, GIVEN THE LONG AND NARROW NATURE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
UM, THE SITE PLAN LAYS OUT, UM, QUITE WELL, UM, GIVEN, GIVEN, UH, THE, THE USE AND THE CIRCULATION THAT WE, UH, WE ULTIMATELY REQUIRE ON SITE.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY EXCITED ABOUT, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF BRINGING, YOU KNOW, SPARK CAR WASH, UM, TO THE AREA HERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU, ANY OF YOU HAVE MAY HAVE.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT, THE CARS DID, THE CARS EXIT ONTO WAREHOUSE LANE, CORRECT? THEY, THEY ENTER FROM WAREHOUSE AND THEY ALSO EXIT ONTO WAREHOUSE.
IT'S THE INGRESS EGRESS THAT YOU SEE, UM, ON, ON THE WAREHOUSE LANE IS THE ONLY ACCESS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ON THE PROPERTY.
AND I BELIEVE THAT'S EXISTING OR CLOSE.
I THINK THE EXISTING ACCESS IS JUST FURTHER TO, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE WEST.
THE ACCESS IS ON THAT LOADED ROAD.
AND AND YOU SAY EXPRESS, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY EXPRESS? IS THAT, SO THE, THE SYSTEMS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE ARE INTENDED TO, UM, OFFER A VERY EFFICIENT, UM, CAR WASH FOR THE CUSTOMERS.
I MEAN, WHAT'S THE TIMING OF EXPRESS? YEAH.
COMPARED TO YOUR STANDARD DISH AND YOUR CAR WASH.
UM, SO YOU, YOU WASH HAVE BAYS FOR TWO CAR WASHES
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AT A TIME, OR DO THEY MERGE? SO THERE'S, THERE'S ONE TUNNEL OFFERING A, A LINEAR, UM, CARWASH, UH, CONVEYOR SO THAT THERE'S A CONVEYOR BELT WITHIN THAT TUNNEL THAT, THAT PULLS THE VEHICLES THROUGH THE TUNNEL.UM, THERE COULD BE FOUR, FOUR TO FIVE VEHICLES WITHIN THAT TUNNEL.
TUNNEL AT ANY GIVEN TIME, GIVEN THE LENGTH OF IT, IT'S 125 FEET LONG.
UM, THAT'S THE ONLY TUNNEL THERE IS.
SO THERE'S ONE TUNNEL'S 125 FEET LONG AND IT COULD FIT FOUR TO FIVE CARS WITHIN IT, UM, AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
AND, UM, EXPRESS THE TIME ASSOCIATED WITH EACH WAS, IS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MINUTES FROM THE MOMENT YOU PAY, UM, AT THE PAY STATION TO THE MOMENT YOU, YOU'RE LEAVING THE TUNNEL ITSELF.
UM, SO AGAIN, A LOT OF CAR WASHES, YOU'LL SEE LIKE TOWELS AT THE, YOU KNOW, MANUAL LABOR WITH TOWELS AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL MM-HMM
UM, WHICH TAKES TIME AND SO FORTH.
OUR, WE HAVE STATE-OF-THE-ART BLOWERS AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL HERE.
IT COMPLETELY DRIES THE VEHICLE, SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR THAT.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S QUITE EFFICIENT AND, UM, WE FIND IT TO BE A, A REALLY, UM, A SELLING POINT FOR THE MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE.
'CAUSE IT ENABLES TO, YOU KNOW, WASH THEIR VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR LUNCH BREAK OR, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR WAY HOME FROM WORK AND SO FORTH.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS.
UM, UH, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I STOOD OUT ON WAREHOUSE LIE AND I WATCHED BUMPER TO BUMPER TRUCKS AS THEY WERE MAKING THEIR TRANSIT.
AND, AND FIRST OF ALL, WAREHOUSE LANE, THAT WAS THE ENTIRETY OF WAREHOUSE LANE.
NOT TO TO SAY NOTHING OF THE TRAFFIC THAT FED ONTO NINE A AND WELL, FROM A BUSINESS MODEL, HAVING THE EXPEDITED CAR WASH AND BEING ABLE TO DO TO WASH FOR FOUR CARS AT THE SAME TIME, SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT BUSINESS MODEL.
I WANNA INVEST, BUT THAT'S A, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS LOCATION, I'M ONLY KIDDING.
UM, BUT THE, THE, IT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
I'M REALLY NOT JUST W HASLING, BUT NINE A ESPECIALLY THERE IS TREMENDOUSLY CONGESTED.
UM, SO I DON'T, I I I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO TO AMELIORATE THAT.
SO WE CAN, WE ALSO HAVE OUR, UM, CIVIL ENGINEER HERE WHO CAN KIND OF GIVE AN EXPLANATION OF HOW THIS SITE OPERATES, BUT WE, WE ALSO HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UM, WHO'S SPECIFICALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WE'D BE PERFORMING BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT TRAFFIC WOULD BE A PRIMARY CONCERN FOR THIS LOCATION BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC NEEDS TO WORK IN ORDER FOR THE SITE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WRAPPED IN AS PART OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD BE PRESENTING AND CAN PRESENT EARLY EVEN TO THE TOWN BOARD, UM, TO SHOW THAT THE SITE CAN AND, AND, UM, WILL BE SUCCESSFUL AND, UM, NOT HAVE A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT TO, YOU KNOW, EXISTING TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
SO NICK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUMP IN AND EXISTING TRAFFIC PATTERNS AREN'T GREAT TO BEGIN WITH
UH, GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS, JUST FOR THE RECORD, NICK TORTORELLA FROM STONEFIELD ENGINEERING AND DESIGN, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANT ON BEHALF OF SPARK.
UH, OUR OFFICE HAS WORKED ON DOZENS OF THESE APPLICATIONS AND HONESTLY, UH, YOUR CONCERNS COME UP ON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE.
UM, SO WE ARE FULLY PREPARED TO PREPARE A COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FOR THE PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY CENTERED AROUND THE SITE LAYOUT, BUT NAMELY THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN NINE A AND WAREHOUSE LANE.
UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY ALREADY CONDUCTED THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AHEAD OF, UH, SCHOOL ENDING JUST TO NOT DELAY THE PROCESS.
SO WE'RE ALREADY IN PREPARATION OF THAT STUDY ITSELF.
BUT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE OPERATION OF THE SITE EXPRESS CAR WASHES, UH, BY THE NATURE OF THE USE, MATT ACTUALLY REFERRED TO IT WITH THEIR MEMBERSHIP SUBSCRIPTION MODEL.
UM, THEY CAPITALIZE ON THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, RIGHT? THAT'S ALREADY ON NINE A, IT'S LIKE A QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT LIKE A MCDONALD'S OR A, A COFFEE SHOP WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT'S NOT A HUGE VOLUME OF NECESSARILY NEW TRAFFIC TO THE AREA, BUT CAPITALIZING ON THE VOLUME THAT IS ALREADY THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE NEW TRAFFIC AND THAT WILL BE ANALYZED.
BUT I ALWAYS LIKE TO MAKE THAT POINT TO START OFF WITH, UM, PROFESSIONALS IN THE INDUSTRY ESTIMATE THAT IT'S BETWEEN 30 AND 40% OF THE TOTAL CUSTOMERS GENERATED BY THESE FACILITIES DURING THE PEAK HOURS ARE ALREADY DRIVING ON NINE A PAST THE SITE.
HOWEVER MUCH OF THE TRAFFIC IS TRUCK TRAFFIC.
THEY'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT WASHING TRUCKS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME.
NO, AND UNDERSTOOD COMPLETELY.
AND SO I THINK OF A FEW DIFFERENT SITE LAYOUTS WERE EVALUATED.
UM, WE ACTUALLY DURING OUR, UH, PRE-APPLICATION, UH, CONFERENCE CALL WITH, UH, GARRETT, UH, DISCUSSED A POTENTIAL ACCESS DIRECTLY TO NINE A.
AND WE ACTUALLY FEEL THAT THE SITE LAYOUT AS IT CURRENTLY IS RIGHT NOW, UH, PRESENTS THE BEST POSSIBLE, UM, CIRCULATION PATTERNS AND WOULD RESULT IN THE LEAST IMPACT TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC
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CONDITIONS.BUT AGAIN, WE ARE, UH, FULLY PREPARED TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS AT THE OUTSET OF THIS PROCESS.
UM, AND, AND WE'LL COME PREPARED, UH, TO OUR INITIAL MEETINGS WITH A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY.
WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANT.
I'VE KNOWN JOHN CANNING FOR MANY YEARS.
UH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE STUDY'S DONE TO HIS SATISFACTION TO THE BOARD SATISFACTION.
AND, UH, WE'LL BEAR OUT THAT, UM, THIS PROJECT WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE CONDITIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE CORRECTLY STATING ARE CONGESTED DURING THE PEAK HOURS, AT LEAST MY OPINION.
AND WE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OTHER PROJECTS ALONG NINE A THERE, THERE ARE OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE EYEING NINE A AND THAT WOULD ADD SUBSTANTIALLY TO THE TRAFFIC.
SO YEAH, WE'LL WORK WITH YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND JOHN'S OFFICE AS WELL TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY VOLUMES ASSOCIATED WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE PLANNED ALONG THAT NINE A CORRIDOR ARE INCLUDED IN OUR STUDY AS WELL.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE FULL, COMPLETE PICTURE, UM, AND TOTALLY HEAR YOUR CONCERNS.
WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS THEM HEAD ON.
I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW MANY GALLONS OF WATER, UH, ARE USED IN THE TYPICAL CAR WASH.
UM, SO I COULD GIVE YOU A ROUGH NUMBER BASED UPON LIKE PER CAR.
'CAUSE IT DEPENDS ULTIMATELY HOW MANY CARS ARE WASHING.
UM, SO IT'S ROUGHLY 20 GALLONS PER CAR.
SO GOING BACK TO COUNCIL, UH, WOMAN HENDRICKS QUESTION, I'LL BE CURIOUS, I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHEN YOU HAVE THAT LANE JUST PICTURING THAT TURN WHEN YOU GO INTO SAM'S ON YOUR RIGHT, YOUR RIGHT, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FLOORING PLACE ON YOUR LEFT IF YOU'RE GOING IN FROM MM-HMM.
SO MILL THERE IS THAT TRUCK BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TRUCKS THAT GO ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK.
HOW DO YOU PLAN FOR IF THE CARS ARE GONNA GO YOU, THE EGRESS AND EGRESS IN THAT AREA, HOW DO YOU PLAN TO DEAL WITH THOSE TRUCKS IN THE AREA? AND I'M JUST, THIS IS NOT TO BE ANSWERED NOW.
THERE'S LIKE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S GONNA INTERFERE WITH THAT TRUCK TRAFFIC COMING IN AND THEN THE SAFETY OF THOSE CARS TRYING TO ENTER INTO THE CAR WASH.
HOW'S THAT GONNA AFFECT? SO I'LL BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS GOING TO MAKE THAT WORK AND, AND BECAUSE IT DOES GET CROWDED OVER THERE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE TRUCKS YOU'RE REFERRING TO ON THE PAGE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THEY WOULD BE COMING FROM PAGE NORTH TO PAGE SOUTH, APPROACHING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL ON NINE A AND HOW THAT INTERFACES WITH VEHICLES TRAVELING PAGE SOUTH TO PAGE NORTH TRYING TO ENTER OUR CAR WASH.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE TRUCK'S GOING THIS WAY AS I'M DRAWING IT, SHE'S TRYING TO GET IN, I SAID, RIGHT.
DID THE BLUE ARROW COME DOWN RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET? YES.
SO LIKE TRUCKS WAITING AT THE SIGNAL AND THEN COMING OUT, EXTENDING BACK.
AND THEN DOES THAT WIRE AND THEN TRYING TO GET IN BECAUSE THAT KNOW YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS MOVEMENT ACROSS THAT BASICALLY.
SO THAT WIRE, THAT WAREHOUSE LINK IS VERY TIGHT.
SO THAT'S THAT, THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET INTO SAM'S COMING OUTTA SAM'S TO TURN ONTO NINE A AND THEN THAT, WHERE THAT FLOORING AREA IS RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER MM-HMM
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE HOW PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET IN AND OUT IN ADDITION TO THOSE TRUCKS GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.
LIKE, SO, BUT THAT, AGAIN, THAT'S ALL FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO REALLY, BUT JUST KEEPING THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GONNA LOOK FOR WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
AND ONE OTHER ASPECT OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS THE TIMING.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST GEARED TO SCHOOL HOURS, RIGHT.
IT'S TO AS TO WHEN THE HEAVIEST TRAFFIC IS IN THE MORNING OR IN THE EVENING.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY FOR TO BE, YEAH, WE'VE COUNTED THE MORNING, THE MIDDAY, THE EVENING AND SATURDAY AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE ALL THE PEAK PERIODS, UH, AND WE WILL ASSESS EACH OF THOSE, UH, WITH THE TRIPS THAT THESE, THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD GENERATE DURING THOSE RESPECTIVE PEAK HOURS.
ALL FOUR OF THOSE PERIODS WILL BE ANALYZED.
SO WE WILL COVER OUR BASES IN TERMS OF THE ANALYSIS.
AND THEN ONE OTHER POINT I'LL JUST MAKE QUICKLY ABOUT THE QUEUING MM-HMM
AS PART OF THE DATA COLLECTION WE'VE ALREADY DONE, WE, WE TOOK IT A STEP FURTHER AND ACTUALLY DID A QUEUING STUDY OF THE INTERSECTION ITSELF.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU DURING THOSE PEAK PERIODS WHERE UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS MM-HMM
THAT LAST TRUCK, WHERE, WHERE DOES IT STOP MM-HMM
UM, CURRENT, SO THAT WE CAN CALIBRATE OUR, OUR ANALYSIS MODEL TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE ASSESS THE IMPACT OF OUR PROJECT, IT'S, UH, REFLECTED ACCURATELY.
COUNCILWOMAN HABER HAS JOINED US ON ZOOM.
GOING BACK TO THE WATER, THE 20 GALLONS PER CAR, IS THAT CONTAINED WITHIN THE STRUCTURE OR IS ANY OF THAT LEAVING THE AREA? HOW DOES THAT WORK? NO.
YEAH, BECAUSE I KNOW FLOODING IS AN ISSUE IN THAT AREA.
IT WOULD BE CONTAINED IN, IN THE STRUCTURE AND ULTIMATELY, UH, UH, PASS THROUGH TO SANITARY, RIGHT, ALEX? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, AND WHAT ABOUT, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON ABOUT WATER RECYCLING AND CONSERVATION PRACTICES? YEAH.
SO WE DO, WE HAVE, UM, WE UTILIZE STATE-OF-THE-ART WATER RECYCLING SYSTEMS. THERE'S THREE, 2000 GALLON TANKS, UM, THAT WE USE.
AND THOSE TANKS, UM, RECYCLE THE WATER, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT US IN A POSITION TO BE AS, AS EFFICIENT WITH WATER USAGE AND SEWER DISCHARGE, UM,
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AS POSSIBLE.HOW LONG DOES IT, HOW LONG DOES IT DO THAT RECYCLE BEFORE YOU THEN DISCHARGE? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF I GIVE YOU, SO THE RESIDENCY TIME OF THE CYCLING DEPENDS ON ITS USE.
SO YOU COULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN JULY AND A HEAVY SATURDAY MORNING, UH, THE RESIDENCY TIME COULD BE DOWN JUST A FEW MINUTES.
UM, WHEREAS IN A, IN A WINTER SITUATION WHERE THERE'S LESS CARS GOING THROUGH, IT COULD LAST A COUPLE HOURS.
UM, BUT IN ESSENCE IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED TO STORE THE WATER, PUSH OUT BRAND NEW WATER THAT CAN BE USED AS A RECLAIMED SITUATION, AND THEN WHICH, UM, WHICHEVER DOES NOT, UH, HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE RECLAIMED WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
WHICH, AGAIN, THE SYSTEM'S DESIGNED TO RECLAIM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BOTH FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT AND FROM A BUSINESS MODEL STANDPOINT, IS DISCHARGED TO THE SEWER.
UH, ANOTHER QUESTION OF THOUGHT OF, UM, WHAT HAPPENS LIKE IF THERE'S A WATER DROP, BECAUSE SOMETIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE WATER SHORTAGES.
HOW, HOW DO COMPANIES LIKE YOURS, UH, DEAL WITH WITH THAT SITUATION? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD THAT SPECIFIC SITUATION, BUT I THINK IF THERE WAS A WATER SHORTAGE OF WATER DROUGHT AND THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THE MUNICIPALITY, YOU KNOW, HAD TO, HAD TO, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT AS PART OF THE USE, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH THAT.
UM, ARE THERE CHEMICALS WITHIN THE, THE WASHING MATERIALS AND WHAT WOULD BE THE RESIDUAL FALL OFF AND CONCERN AND REMEDIATION OF THAT? SO THE, THE CLEANING THE SOAPS WE USE ARE 100% BIODEGRADABLE, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, UM, PHOSPHATE FREE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THESE NEWER CAR WASHES, THAT'S VERY MUCH THE STANDARD.
UM, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY WHAT WE DO.
AND SO THAT, ALONG WITH THE RECYCLING, WE TRY TO BE AS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLY BE.
I LIKE, YEAH,
AND THEN, SO YOU MENTIONED, YOU MENTIONED EMPLOYEES, SO, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITIES.
SO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT ABSOLUTELY.
SO WE, WE LOOK TO HIGHER LOCAL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO JOB FAIRS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S A COMMUNITY COLLEGE NEARBY, LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK TO TARGET AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A EXCELLENT PROGRAM BEING A GROWING COMPANY WHERE WE TRY TO, UM, NOT ONLY EMPLOY PEOPLE ON, YOU KNOW, UH, THE GROUND LEVEL, BUT TO HAVE THEM KIND OF, YOU KNOW, RISE TO THE RANKS OF THE COMPANY.
SO IT'S, UH, DEFINITELY TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES.
WITHOUT ANYONE NEEDING TO DRIVE THE CARS.
WHAT, WHAT, UH, WOULD BE THE, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE, UH, THE EMPLOYEES DO? WHAT WOULD THE EMPLOYEES BE DOING? SO THERE'S, UH, THREE TO FOUR EMPLOYEES ON ONSITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
ONE WOULD BE AT THE PAY STATION, FACILITATING THE TRANSACTION, MAKING SURE CUSTOMERS UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE THE, UM, THE SCREEN, THE TOUCH SCREEN TO SELECT THEIR WASH, UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, THE SECOND WOULD BE IN THE VACUUM PARK, MAKING SURE THE FACILITIES ARE CLEAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, MA MANAGING, UH, CLEANLINESS AND ALSO JUST ENGAGING WITH THE CUSTOMER, MAKING SURE THEY KNOW HOW TO USE THE VACUUM EQUIPMENT.
AND THE THIRD WOULD BE LOADING, MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THE VEHICLES LOAD PROPERLY ONTO THE CONVEYOR.
IT'S MORE, IT'S MORE, IT'S NOT MANUAL AT ALL, IT'S JUST MORE DIRECTIONAL.
IT'S MAKING SURE THAT THE VEHICLES ARE LOADING PROPERLY ONTO, UM, THE CONVEYOR BELT.
AND THEN THE FOURTH, WHICH WOULD BE ON A BUSY DAY, IS JUST A, A FLEX EMPLOYEE TO HELP OUT WHERE, WHERE WHEREVER'S NEEDED AT THAT TIME.
SO A SINGLE, UH, 12 HOUR SHIFT FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES.
SO THERE'S A MORNING SHIFT SHIFT.
YEAH, WE WOULD, EACH LOCATION WOULD, THIS LOCATION WOULD PROBABLY EMPLOY BETWEEN 10 AND 12 PEOPLE IN TOTAL.
THERE'S THREE TO FOUR PER SHIFT.
I'M SURE YOURS IS MORE IMPORTANT.
YOU COULD KEEP YOUR JOB THEN
UM, IN TERMS OF LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, SOMETIMES THERE'S SLUDGE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE WASTE MANAGEMENT ISSUES? UH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A REGULAR MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE, UM, ON ALL OF OUR SITES WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DO, WE DO GET THOSE RAINY DAYS SOMETIMES WHERE CLEANING YOUR VEHICLE'S NOT AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.
IT'S, IT'S A DAY THAT WE, WE DON'T EVER SHUT DOWN.
WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN AND WE TAKE IN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE MAINTAINING THE FACILITIES.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE MAINTENANCE, UH, THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS DONE, YOU KNOW, AS NEEDED BASED UPON HOW BUSY THE LOCATION IS.
BUT IT'S, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A PART OF OUR REGULAR OPERATIONS PROCESS.
I GUESS ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THIS LOCATION IS THAT IT'S NOT NEAR, IMMEDIATELY NEAR RESIDE, YOU KNOW, RESIDENCE.
SO COM I MEAN, I GUESS INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL AREA.
AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE SYNERGIES AND MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, AS MANY COMPLAINTS SAY AS IF IT WAS IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
I DON'T THINK, WE'LL, I DON'T THINK WE'LL SEE MANY COMPLAINTS.
UM, UH, WHERE ARE YOU, ARE THE LOCATIONS, AGAIN, CLOSEST TO HERE IS WEST NIAC.
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OPEN CURRENTLY.UM, THERE'S, UH, MULTIPLE IN NEW JERSEY AND PENNSYLVANIA.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER UNDER ABOUT TO START CONSTRUCTION ON LONG ISLAND.
HAVE YOU GOTTEN, LIKE ANY COMPLAINTS FROM ANY OF THE, UH, EITHER COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORS FROM ANY OF THE OTHER SITES SINCE YOU'VE BEEN OPEN? NO.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE A FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR.
I DON'T, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WITH WHERE WE POSITION OUR CAR WASHES, UM, WE'RE NOT DISTURBING ANYBODY.
WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, COMPLIMENTARY USE IN MANY CASES TO OTHER RETAIL THAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, SAM'S CLUB'S NOT SELLING CAR WASHES AT LEAST YET.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT IS DEFINITELY A COMPLIMENTARY USE TO, UH, IN MOST OF OUR LOCATIONS ARE SITUATED SIMILARLY, SO IT'S, UH, IT'S GENERALLY VERY WELL RECEIVED BY THE SURROUNDING AREA.
HOW MANY VEHICLES CAN GO THROUGH THE TUNNEL IN AN HOUR? ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SO ABOUT 125 AT MAX CAPACITY.
AND, UM, IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT HAPPENS OFTEN OR EVER, BUT IT COULD.
AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED, IT'S ALMOST OVER-ENGINEERED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, VERY BUSY DAYS WHERE WE HAVE A HIGH, UM, CUSTOMER LOAD.
UM, I WOULD SAY IN, IN REALITY, THE MAX WERE IS PROBABLY LIKE AROUND 80.
UM, BUT THE, THE FACILITIES ITSELF DO HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO ABOUT 125.
SO AT THAT MAXIMUM CAPACITY AND THE QUEUING FOR THAT LIGHT FOR WHEN PEOPLE COME OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY AND MAKE A RIGHT.
UM, HOW IS THAT HANDLED? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE TIMING OF THAT LIGHT IS? SO THAT'LL BE REFLECTED IN THE STUDY.
I MEAN, THE PHASE FOR WAREHOUSE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE LESSER THAN NINE A I, IF I HAD TO GUESS RIGHT NOW.
UM, I LOOKED AT THE TIME OF THE OTHER DAY.
I BELIEVE IT'S A 92ND CYCLE, SO IT PROBABLY GETS 30 OF THOSE 90 SECONDS WITH THE MAJOR MAIN LINE GETTING THE REMAINING 60.
UM, AGAIN, THOSE CAPACITIES OF THE WASH TUNNEL, THOSE ARE THE, THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM.
AND IT'S DESIGNED THAT WAY SO THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PAY STATION THAT WORKS ON, THERE'S ACTUALLY LIKE LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AT THOSE GATES SO THAT WHEN MEMBERS PULL UP, THE GATE WILL JUST OPEN AUTOMATICALLY.
ALL THESE METRICS ARE DESIGNED SO THAT THERE'S JUST A CONTINUOUS CIRCUITOUS FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH THE SITE.
SO THAT QUEUE DOESN'T BUILD UP TO A POINT WHERE IT WOULD EXTEND BACK TOWARDS EVEN CLOSE TO WAREHOUSE LANE.
DEFINITELY NOT ON THE MAIN, UH, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ITSELF.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE PHASING, UM, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO, TO LOOK AT THE SIGNAL TIMING.
AGAIN, THAT'LL BE PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
AND I THINK THE BENEFIT THAT WE HAVE HERE IS WE HAVE A LOT OF FRONTAGE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S, IT'S LIKE 350 FEET, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THAT, 360 FEET WITH SOME AVAILABLE RIGHT OF WAY ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
THERE'S A RIGHT, A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE AT THAT SIGNAL COMING OFF WAREHOUSE THAT WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EXCLUSIVE LEFT TURN PHASES ON NINE A.
SO WHEN THE LEFT TURNS ARE RUNNING IN CONCURRENTLY, THAT RIGHT TURN OVERLAP IS GOING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF FRONTAGE TO POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, ENLARGE THAT RIGHT TURN LANE, LENGTHEN IT SO THAT MORE VEHICLES HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE IT DURING THAT EXCLUSIVE LEFT TURN PHASE.
SO YOU CAN PROCESS, UH, VEHICLES COMING OUT OF WAREHOUSE HEADED TOWARDS 2 87, EVEN WHILE TECHNICALLY THE WAREHOUSE PHASE IS RED.
SO WE WILL LOOK AT THAT DESIGN OF THE LANE APPROACHES TWO NINE A TO MAXIMIZE THE CAPACITY OF THAT APPROACH WITHIN THE SIGNAL TIMING THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS YOU SAID, NINE A IS CONGESTED.
WE, WE LIKELY DON'T HAVE A TON OF FLEXIBILITY TO MODIFY THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE MAIN LINE GETS, BUT WE DO HAVE THE GEOMETRIC FLEXIBILITY TO BASICALLY MAXIMIZE THE CAPACITY OF WAREHOUSE LANE EVEN MORE SO THAN IT CURRENTLY IS RIGHT NOW.
UM, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD, FRANCIS.
WILL YOU BE ALSO STUDYING, UM, THE IMPACT ON VEHICLES EXITING AND GOING LEFT FROM SAM'S ONTO WAREHOUSE LANE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT QUITE SOME TIME.
THAT'S GONNA BE INCLUDED IN THE STUDY AS WELL.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT UNLESS OUR, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE, BUT UNLESS OUR PROJECT RESULTED IN AN EXTENDED QUEUE ON WAREHOUSE, OUR EXITING TRAFFIC WOULD LIKELY NOT IMPACT SAM'S CLUB EXITING THEIR DRIVEWAY.
IT COULD AFFECT SAM'S CLUB TRAFFIC AS IT APPROACHES THE SIGNAL.
BUT BECAUSE OUR DRIVEWAY IS EAST OF SAM'S CLUB, AGAIN, UNLESS THAT QUEUE IS ELONGATED, THEIR EXPERIENCE MAKING A LEFT TURN OUTTA THEIR SITE WOULD LIKELY BE VERY SIMILAR TO HOW IT IS TODAY.
BUT AGAIN, I, I'M SPEAKING THEORETICALLY LIKE THE TRAFFIC STUDY, IT WILL BEAR THAT OUT, RIGHT, WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT YOURS IS JUST BARELY EAST, RIGHT? UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE COVERING IT UP WITH THE, THE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY ALMOST 200 FEET TO THE EAST, RIGHT? WE HAVE A 360 FOOT FRONTAGE.
OUR DRIVEWAY IS SOMEWHAT IN THE MIDDLE, LET'S CALL IT A HUNDRED, 125 FEET ALONG OUR FRONTAGE PLUS ANOTHER 25 TO 50 FEET WEST OF OUR PROPERTY.
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150 AND 200 FEET WEST OF OUR ACCESS IS WHERE THE SAM'S CLUB IS LOCATED.IT, IT'S, IT'S PAGE NORTH OF WHERE OUR PROPERTY ENDS.
YOU CAN SEE, BARELY SEE THE EASTERN CURB RADIUS OF THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THE EXITING PORTION OF THAT DRIVEWAY IS OFF THE SCREEN.
SO, OH, I'M JUST, UH, WHERE'S THE SECOND DRIVEWAY? I CAN'T MAKE IT OUT ON YOUR PLAN.
THE, THE SECOND DRIVEWAY FOR OUR SITE? YEAH.
OH, WE ONLY HAVE ONE FULL MOVEMENT ACCESS.
I I THOUGHT YOU KEPT SAYING SECOND DRIVEWAY.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, WHEN I WAS STANDING ON WAREHOUSE LANE LOOKING AT THE BUMPER TO BUMPER TRUCKS, UM, THAT WAS ROUGHLY IN THE 8:00 AM HOUR.
SO JUST AS A, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE, WOULD YOU CONSIDER AMENDING YOUR HOURS IF THAT IS GOING TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE BULK OF ALL THE TRUCKS COMING THROUGH TO START MAKING THEIR DELIVERIES? YEAH, I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT ANY ISSUES.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, PROBABLY THE BEST APPROACH TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC DATA, UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT ACTUALLY IS GOING ON, AND THEN WE WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROBLEM SOLVE WHATEVER THAT IS.
DO YOU EVER HAVE LIKE DIFFERENT RATES, LIKE DURING RUSH HOUR IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND NO PEAK, LIKE I'M JUST NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE SAME PRICE AT ALL TIMES.
UM, UH, ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, ITEM OF NOTE AS WE GROW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE A MEMBER, YOU COULD UTILIZE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.
SO LIKE IF YOU WENT TO THE PALISADES MALL IN ROCKLAND COUNTY, YOU COULD UTILIZE THE ONE IN WEST NIAC, YOU KNOW, LIKE, SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE SAME PRICE TOO.
SO, UH, SO IS THERE, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PRICE GOUGING WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S BUSY.
SO YOU, YOU SAID MEMBERSHIP, SO IS THAT MEMBERSHIP CONSISTS OF JUST, DO WE GET A DISCOUNT IF I HAVE A MEMBERSHIP AT YOUR THING? I GO ONLY TO YOU.
I GET A 10% BECAUSE I'M ONLY, SO THE WAY THE MEMBERSHIP WORKS IS THAT YOU PAY A FLAT MONTHLY FEE, UM, AND YOU COULD UTILIZE ANY SPARK FACILITY AS MANY TIMES AS YOU'D LIKE.
SO LIKE IF YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD, IF YOU FIND YOURSELF IN NEW JERSEY OR, OR ROCKLAND COUNTY OR LONG ISLAND AND YOU'RE A MEMBER HERE IN ELMSFORD, YOU COULD UTILIZE ANY ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES AT NO ADDITIONAL COST.
THAT'S PART OF THE MEMBERSHIP THAT YOU'VE SIGNED.
AND THEN GREENBERG ALL CARS YES.
THAT, IS THAT FOR ALL CARS S FORD POST OFFICE? YES.
IS THAT FOR ALL CARS? SO IF I HAVE A FAMILY PLAN, LIKE, SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY A GOOD TIME.
WE'RE ACTUALLY HAD TO DO THE FLA FAMILY PEN, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY IN THE WORKS, UM, TO GIVE, TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EVERY FAMILY HAS MULTIPLE VEHICLES MM-HMM
IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PROMOTE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE VEHICLES ON THE PLAN.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPLORING.
IT'S NOT FULLY ROLLED OUT YET, BUT IT PROBABLY WILL BE SOON.
AND ONE POINT ABOUT THE MORNING PEAK HOUR, THAT'S A, A VERY GOOD OBSERVATION, AND I JUST WANT MAKE THE NOTE THAT THESE USES ACTUALLY GENERATE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IN THAT MORNING, PEAK HOUR AS COMPARED TO ANY OTHER.
SO IT BASICALLY INCREASES MORNING TO MIDDAY TO EVENING, MIDDAY TO EVENING.
AND IF YOU JUST THINK ABOUT LIKE THE LOGISTICS OF DRIVING TO WORK, TYPICALLY YOU'RE ON A SHORTER TIMEFRAME WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO WORK, BUT GENERALLY IN THE EVENING YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RUNNING TO GET THERE TO GET TO YOUR DESK BY 9:00 AM.
BUT REGARDLESS OF THAT, THAT'S BASED ON DATA PUBLISHED BY, UH, INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS.
IT'S BASED ON SURVEYS WE'VE DONE OF OPERATIONAL SPARK FACILITIES.
THE TRAFFIC GENERATION BY THESE SITES IN THE MORNING IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESSER THAN THE MIDDAY, EVENING AND SATURDAY MIDDAY HOURS.
WELL, AGAIN, I WASN'T KIDDING WHEN I SAID BUMPER TO BUMPER AND MAKING THE TURN THERE WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE.
SO IT'S JUST, I JUST WANTED TO GAUGE YOUR FLEXIBILITY AND YEAH.
AND YOU'VE INDICATED THAT, SO THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING US AWARE OF THAT.
A LOT OF GOOD SIGHT SPECIFIC QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ADD.
BROUGHT MY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOWN SO YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A PARTY, UM,
SO A LOT OF GOOD SITE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
UM, BUT I DO WANT TO BRING IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S TRUE.
AS AS, UM, THEY IDENTIFIED IN THE BEGINNING THERE WOULD BE A REQUEST FOR A ZONE CHANGE FROM THE DS DISTRICT TO THE LI.
SO AS WE KNOW, THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW ANYTIME THERE'S A ZONE CHANGE, WHAT THE FIRST, THE MAJOR FACTOR WE WANNA CONSIDER IS WHAT DOES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAY ABOUT THAT? NOW, UM, I LOOKED AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, IT IS TRUE THAT THE CAR WASH IS A RETAIL USE IN NATURE.
UM, I REVIEWED THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN HERE.
AND WHERE I'M GONNA MOVE MY CURSOR IS THIS PARCEL RIGHT HERE.
SO IT'S IDENTIFIED FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IS, IS COMMERCIAL RETAIL OFFICE
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TYPE MIXED USE.AND WHILE AGAIN, THE CAR WASH IS A RETAIL USE IN TERMS OF THE WAY GREENBURG DEFINES ITS FUTURE LAND USE CAR WASHES HAS MORE OF A INDUSTRIAL CONNOTATION BECAUSE CAR WASHES ARE ALLOWED IN THE LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL GI GENERAL INDUSTRIAL, UH, DISTRICT.
SO, SUFFICE IT TO SAY, UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY AFFIRMATIVELY, YOU SHOULD REZONE TO THE LI DISTRICT.
UM, IT IS A FACT THAT THE NEIGHBORING SITE TO THE SOUTH IS LI AND ALL YOU WOULD NEED THERE TO DO THE SAME USE WOULD BE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO HAVING SAID THAT, UM, I DO THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS ARE IMPORTANT.
I WOULD LIKE TO, NOT NECESSARILY TONIGHT IF THE DATA'S NOT THERE, BUT GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING, HAS THE PRESENT OWNER, UM, MADE EFFORTS TO MARKET THE SITE UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING OF DS? AND TO WHAT EXTENT HAS THAT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S LIKELY BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL, BUT I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO KNOW THAT IF IT'S THE CASE, THERE'S A PATTERN OF GOING OUT TRYING TO MARKET THE SITE TO THE EXISTING ZONING, AND THERE'S JUST SIMPLY, UH, NO SUCCESS.
THE MARKET'S NOT DRIVING TO THAT SITE.
SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD TO KNOW THAT.
UM, I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE LINES OF THE LAST APPLICATION, UM, PUBLIC OUTREACH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT HERE TO GET A SENSE FROM THE NORTH ELMSFORD COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I SAW THOSE LITTLE BOXES ON THE YEAH, A LOT OF ACROSS THE STREET.
THE, THE, TO THE RIGHT INDEED UPHILL IS, IS THE SINGLE FAMILY.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET A SENSE FROM, UH, THE NORTH ELMSFORD COMMUNITY, UH, HOW THEY ENVISION THEIR QUARTER.
BUT AS YOU RECALL WITH THE, UH, ONE SEVENTY TWO NORTH CENTRAL, UM, PROPOSAL THAT THE BOARD HAS HEARD A COUPLE TIMES IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS, YEAR PLUS FOR THE MULTIFAMILY, WE DO HAVE AN INTENT TO GO OUT AND, AND SPEAK WITH NEIGHBORS, UM, TO REALLY DISCUSS THE WHOLE QUARTER.
SO I THINK DISCUSSING, UH, WHAT IS, I THINK POSITIVE, OBVIOUSLY THEY WANNA INVEST SIGNIFICANTLY IN A SITE THAT CLEARLY NEEDS IT, THAT'S A POSITIVE.
BUT I DO THINK A CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO DISCUSS A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS ON THE QUARTER.
UM, AND AS WAS CORRECTLY NOTED, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS ARE FIRST AND FOREMOST.
SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, SO I THINK THE GAME PLAN IS FOR THIS APPLICANT TO FOCUS ON THE SITE, DO THE, UH, TRAFFIC DUE DILIGENCE, UM, DO SOME, YOU KNOW, FLOODPLAIN INVESTIGATIONS TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT NEED TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN IN LIEU OF THAT.
SEPARATE FROM THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK TO CONNECT WITH NEIGHBORS, FIGURE OUT A FORUM WHICH MAKES SENSE TO DISCUSS THINGS LIKE THIS, THE, THE, THE MULTIFAMILY PROPOSAL AND THE WHOLE QUARTER MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, IN KIND OF LIKE A FUTURE LAND USE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SENSE.
AND THEN I THINK WHEN ALL THOSE THINGS HAPPEN IN BEFORE ENCOURAGING THE APPLICANT TO ACTUALLY GO FORTH WITH THE PETITION, I DO THINK A, A, A CHECK-IN PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, IN TWO MONTHS FROM NOW, UM, TO SEE WHAT ALL OF THOSE THAT THAT DATA SAYS AND, YOU KNOW, GIVE THE BOARD SOME MORE INFORMATION.
'CAUSE THE REZONE REALLY IS A, IT IS TRULY A DISCRETIONARY, UM, DECISION OF THE BOARD.
YOU, YOU'RE CERTAINLY NOT OBLIGATED TO DO THIS.
IT IS GREAT THAT THERE'S THE PROSPECT OF INVESTMENT.
WE JUST WANT TO CONFIDENTLY, YOU KNOW, GO INTO IT.
AND ALSO IT WOULD BE NICE, YOU KNOW, TO FOCUS US ON THE AESTHETICS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ABSOLUTELY.
UH, THE CAR WASH DOWN THE STREET HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY DID A NICE JOB.
I THOUGHT IT LOOKS, IT LOOKS NICE, IT LOOKS CLEAN.
CAN WE SHOW THAT RENDERING? YEAH.
SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE AESTHETICS.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, WE'RE MOST PROUD OF.
UM, FRANKLY, UH, WE, WE, WE INVEST QUITE A BIT INTO THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE SITE, THE BUILDING, THE LANDSCAPING AND SO FORTH.
UM, FOR THAT EXACT REASON, WE WANT BE A POSITIVE ADDITION TO THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WE WANNA BE A WELCOME, UM, NICELY DESIGNED PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO COME AND FREQUENT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THERE IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE FLOORING AND KITCHEN DESIGN CENTER, AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, IS, UH, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
SO AGAIN, STATE OF THE ART, UM, BRAND NEW BUILDING, UM, I WOULD SAY TASTEFULLY DESIGNED, UM, WITH GREEN, BLUE.
NO, THE LANDSCAPE AND THE GREEN LANDSCAPE, YES.
UM, LANDSCAPING, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY INCREASING THE LANDSCAPING HERE.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE CURRENT SITE, HOW IT LOOKS? YEAH, RIGHT, THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE EXISTING, RIGHT? PROPOSED.
SO REALLY CLEANING UP THE SITE, ADDING, ADDING GREENERY AND LANDSCAPING.
UM, CONSOLIDATING THE ACCESS POINTS.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG ONE I WOULD SAY IS THERE IS A BIT OF A SMATTERING OF ACCESS POINTS ON THAT ROAD.
SO CONSOLIDATING IT WOULD HELP WITH CIRCULATING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT AREA REALLY NEEDS TO BE BEAUTIFIED.
AND IF WE COULD GET NICE TENANTS AND MM-HMM
REALLY ADDRESS SOME OF THE AESTHETICS, IT REALLY COULD BE, IT COULD OVER A PERIOD OF TIME CHANGE THE WHOLE
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NATURE OF THE WHOLE CORRIDOR.SO I, I MEAN, I THINK THAT COULD BE A REALLY, UH, PLUS.
YEAH, I WOULD SAY OUR, OUR SITE'S DEFINITELY DESIGNED MORE, UM, IN LINE WITH THE, WHAT YOU SEE FROM A, A NEW, LIKE QUICK SERVICE RETAIL, UH, RATHER THAN LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL OR WAREHOUSE SPACE THAT'S THERE.
SO IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, COLOR SCHEMES, UM, AND SO FORTH.
LIKE, UH, MUCH MORE INVITING THAN WHAT IS THERE CURRENTLY.
SO IS YOUR NEW BUILDING GOING TO TAKE UP LESS, UM, FOOTPRINT? YEAH.
THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF IS LESS THAN WHAT'S THERE CURRENTLY.
SO YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TROUBLE WITH, UM, THE FLOOD ISSUE.
I MEAN, I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO FLOOD.
THE QUESTION IS, UH, COULD YOU DO YOUR APPROVAL? 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE THE FLOOD LEVEL WORSE.
EVEN BY A FRACTION OF AN INCH.
SO I JUST, UH, DREW IN AS A REFERENCE POINT APPROXIMATELY WHERE THE FLOODLINE IS.
UM, IN ESSENCE, THE SITE HAS ALREADY BEEN PRESET SO THAT THE STRUCTURE, WHICH IS YOUR BIGGEST ENCUMBRANCE TO FLOODPLAIN, UH, IS SET AWAY FROM THERE.
UM, SO IT, IT IS PRESENT ON SITE.
IT HAS BEEN, AND IT'S BEEN STUDIED PREVIOUSLY.
THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, THE PRIOR FLOODPLAIN, UM, EXAMINER AND, UH, DESIGNATOR IS, IS A PART OF OUR FIRM.
AND SO I'VE TOUCHED BASE WITH THEM ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND THEY ARE, THEY'VE GIVEN ME SOME ADVICE.
AND AS YOU HAD SAID, UH, DEVELOPMENT CAN TAKE PLACE IN THE FLOOD AREA.
UM, AS LONG AS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT, UH, NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE FLOODPLAIN TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, I THINK IT'S LIKE LESS THAN AN INCH OR AN INCH OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
VERY SMALL AMOUNT, IN WHICH CASE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN FACTORED IN.
ARE YOU CONSIDERING ELEVATING THIS AT ALL? UM, NO.
SO THE, THE GRADE SHALL BE LEFT IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO KIND OF SHOW IT THIS WAY BECAUSE THIS HAS A GOOD, UH, 3D IMAGE.
YOU COULD SEE IT'S A RELATIVELY FLAT SITE TO SOME DEGREE.
IT DOES GET, UH, STEEP, UM, NEAR THE INTERSECTION AND ALONG THE BACKSIDE.
BUT IN THIS MAIN SORT OF AREA WHERE THE FLOODPLAIN IS MOST CRITICAL IS RELATIVELY FLAT.
AND WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT.
DOES THE STATE, LIKE THE, YOU MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, BUT DOES THE STATE DEC, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS STATE AGENCIES, UM, SINCE IT'S NEAR THE SOMO RIVER, HAVE TO GIVE APPROVAL OR, OR WEIGH IN ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS DURING AN ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW? REVIEW IT TO THE DEC, CERTAINLY THE NEW YORK STATE.
UH, SO YES, THEY'LL BE INVOLVED.
YOU'RE SAW MILL, IT'S SAW MILL RIVER ROAD.
THEY'RE MAINLY GONNA BE CONCERNED IF YOU WERE EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT.
SO THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME.
I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR BEING SO WELL PREPARED.
I HOPE YOU FIGURE OUT THE TRAFFIC.
AND NOW NEXT ON AGENDA, AGENDA REVIEW FOR, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, WASHING.
UM, COULD YOU, UH, DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM PILOT PROGRAM? CAN WE GO IN ORDER? UH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH AT THE BEGINNING.
SO I WAS WAITING FOR ELLEN TO COME BACK.
SO WE JUST WANNA GO THROUGH JUST REALLY QUICKLY, UM, PRESENTATIONS.
I WAS, I WAS JUST, UM, FULL TRANSPARENCY.
THE KNICKS IS PLAYING TOMORROW NIGHT, SO IT'S LIKE, IF WE COULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE COULD JUST STAY ON, STAY ON TRACK, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE BOARD IF IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN FOREGO THE LIAISON REPORTS.
THAT IS THAT FINE GO NIX ISSUE.
SO, UM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, I KNOW THAT WAS, DO WE HAVE, UH, A WRITEUP FOR THE EAGLE SCOUT? IS IT A, WHAT WHAT ARE YOU PRESENTING? UM, WE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, THE EAGLE SCOUT.
DO YOU HAVE THE WRITEUP FOR THE E FOR THE EAGLE? WE, FOR THE EAGLE SCOUT.
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THE EAGLE SCOUT.WHAT IS, WHAT THE PROJECT WAS? UH, THEY HAVE, THEY'RE GONNA DISCUSS THEIR PROJECTS.
ONE, UH, ONE, UH, STUDENT WAS DOING SOME HUMAN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK AND, UM, AND DID SOME CABLE TV SHOWS.
LUCIO, THAT'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EAGLE SCOUT.
JOHN, YOU HAVE, I GAVE, I GAVE, UM, HOLLY, UH, A DRIFT PROCLAMATION.
YOU KNOW, PROCLAMATION? WELL, WE HAD THE PROCLAMATIONS.
JUST WHAT KIND OF PRESENTATION IN TERMS OF TIME? NO, THIS IS GONNA BE LIKE FIVE MINUTES.
JUST SAYING THANK YOU FOR BEING AN EAGLE SCOUT AND, UM, AND YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH OTHER EAGLE SCOUTS, A FEW OTHER EAGLE SCOUTS DURING THE YEAR.
DO YOU ALL MIND IF I CALLING, WE'RE JUST CELEBRATING? I, I HAVE, SURE.
PLEASE DO DRIVE SAFE, BUT DRIVE SAFELY TOMORROW.
AND THEN WHAT'S THE GREENBERG TASK FORCE MENTAL HEALTH? I TASK FORCE, THEY WERE SOME, UM, UH, STUDENTS AND, UM, THEY, UM, HAD A TASK FORCE DEALING WITH MENTAL HEALTH.
THEY HAD A EVENT AND I ASKED THEM IF THEY COULD JUST, UH, WHERE ARE THE STUDENTS FROM? UM, I THINK THEY'RE FROM, YOU KNOW, I FORGET THEY WERE EITHER GREENBURG OR, UM, I, I FORGOT WHICH, WHICH SCHOOL.
BUT THEY HAD A MENTAL HEALTH PROGRAM.
I READ ABOUT IT AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE NICE IF, UH, IT WAS A TEEN TASK FORCE.
THEY'RE FROM, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER THE TOWN.
AND I ASKED IF THEY COULD JUST DO A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THEY DONE ARE THE TWO SPRING, I'M SORRY, IF YOU RECOGNIZE TWO SPRING INTERNS.
ARE THOSE THE PEOPLE THAT DID THE MENTAL HEALTH? UH, NO, THAT THE, THAT'S DIFFERENT.
SPRING INTERNS WERE WORKING EXTERNS IN MY OFFICE.
THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE STILL HERE.
THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THE SUMMER.
YEAH, THEY'RE WORKING TILL FOR LIKE ANOTHER WEEK, I THINK.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE SO THE GREENBERG TEAM.
DO YOU KNOW, I JUST, YEAH, IT'S, UM, UH, THERE'S A GREENBERG, UH, TEAM TASK FORCE AND THEY ORGANIZE A MENTAL HEALTH EVENT.
WHO'S LEADING IT? WHO LEADS THERE? UM, I I COULD GET THAT.
I'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE, UM, TEENAGERS AND STUDENTS WHO, UM, ARE GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND ORGANIZING, UM, EFFORTS THAT NO ONE DISPUTES, NO ONE, NO ONE DISPUTES THAT.
THAT'S, I JUST WANTED TO, TO ASK THAT.
UM, THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS, FOUR NO ONE'S BEING HELD.
THERE'S FIVE AND ONE'S BEING OH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA COME OFF THE AGENDA.
WHAT IT'S, IT'S FIVE MONTHS PREMATURE.
WHICH ONE IS THAT? THE, UM, 2026 EAST TON PRO PRO, UM, OH, THE ONE, OKAY.
IN REGARDS TO THE BANNER BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM PILOT PROGRAMS. UM, THAT'S TO ENSURE THAT COMMERCIAL OWNERS OF BEST SYSTEMS, UM, ARE TAXED AND THEY ENTER INTO A PILOT, WHICH IS A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES.
CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW IN OUR CODE, WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE FOR SOLAR ENERGY.
HOWEVER, WE DO NOT HAVE IT FOR BEST SYSTEMS. SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT THAT IN PLACE AND TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE TAXABLE.
THIS IS NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL SYSTEMS, THIS IS FOR COMMERCIAL SYSTEMS. IT'S ALSO NOT ALLOWING OR NOT ALLOWING THEM.
IT'S, IT'S THOSE THAT ACTUALLY, UM, HAVE THEM ENGAGE IN A PILOT PROGRAM.
YOU'RE, YOU HAVE TO ENTER INTO THE PILOT PROGRAM SO THAT YOU PAY TAXES.
WE DON'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE OPENING BEST SYSTEMS AND THEN ARE, IT'S NOT TAXABLE.
IMPROPER USAGE OF WASN'T CLEAR.
THIS IS NOT TO MAKE IT EASIER OR HARDER FOR A BEST SYSTEM TO GO IN.
THIS IS SOLELY DEALING WITH THE TAXES.
UM, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING, UM, UH, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC TO, UH, GET SOME, LIKE AN ANALYSIS ON HOW MANY BATTERY, BATTERY, UH, STORAGE, UH, FACILITIES ARE BATTERY STORAGE, UH, LOCATIONS ARE IN THE TOWN ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
BECAUSE I KNOW PROBABLY FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO IT WAS REALLY CONTROVERSIAL AND WE HAD A COMMITTEE AND, YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED THE, THE ZONING AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T HEARD COMPLAINTS FROM ANYBODY, UH, SINCE, SINCE WE APPROVED IT.
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OF CURIOUS HOW MANY, UM, SITES HAVE BEEN, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I COULD LOOK INTO IT.JOY, JOAN, I KNOW YOU JUST CAME IN.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THE LIAISON REPORTS.
BECAUSE, BECAUSE YEAH, EXACTLY.
I WAS SCREAMING ON MY COUCH YESTERDAY.
ON TP TWO, UM, RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE APPROVAL OR REJECTION YES.
SO THE RESOLUTION DOES SPELL IT OUT.
SO IT ACCEPTS THE AUCTION RESULTS FOR FOUR OF THE PROPERTIES, BUT REJECTS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUND, UM, IMPROPER SERVICE AND WE SUGGEST REBIDDING THAT PROPERTY DURING THE NEXT AUCTION.
BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD AUTHORIZE THE APPROVAL OF THOSE AND REJECT, YOU KNOW, THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY BECAUSE IT'S AS A SEPARATE, IT SOUNDS, IT SOUNDS REALLY STRANGE.
THAT, SO, AND THAT IS THE HEADING AND I COULD AMEND THAT IF THE BOARD WISHES IN THAT THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED CLAUSE.
THEY ARE SPLIT INTO TWO SEPARATE CLAUSES.
IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE WE'RE, WE'LL MAKE UP OUR BODY.
IS THERE AN UPDATE ON WHEN THE TRAFFIC LIGHT ON LEY ROAD AND FORT HILL ROAD WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, INSTALLED? BECAUSE I SAY, UH, CD FOUR, WE HAVE THE RESOLUTION OF THE TOWN BOARD ACCEPTING PRIVATE EASEMENTS.
YOU MEAN THE COMPLETION DATE? YEAH.
I'M JUST, UH, CURIOUS WHEN THE LIGHT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PLACED THERE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR, I'LL GET THAT INFO TO THE BOARD.
ARE THE, UM, CD CO THREE, THE ROOF REPLACEMENT PROJECT? UM, DO WE KNOW WHICH ROOFS? JUST, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE ACTUAL, DO WE KNOW WHICH ROOF THAT ENCOMPASSES THE 500,000? SORRY, WHICH ONE IS THIS? CO THREE.
I THOUGHT YOU MEANT WHICH ROOF ON THE LIBRARY.
NO, NO, I, I SKIPPED OVER THAT WORD.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT LOW FOR MULTIPLE ROOFS.
DO WE THINK WE'RE GOOD NOW ON FOOTHILL ROAD WITH THE EASEMENT? I THINK SO.
MY CELL PHONE'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR THE RIDE, BUT, UM, JUST GIVE A COUPLE UPDATES RIGHT NOW.
SO YES, THOSE EASEMENTS LOOK ON TRACK.
AND AS FAR AS THE TIMING WITH SCHOOL IMMINENTLY CLOSING, UM, WE'LL GET AN UPDATE FROM THE CONTRACTOR, BUT THAT WAS, WE DID NOT WANT THEM TO START SOONER,
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BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO START TOO MUCH LATER.SO, PROCEDURALLY THESE LAST TWO EASEMENTS, UM, ONCE THEY'RE DONE, WE SHOULD BE READY TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE'LL GET YOU A START DATE.
AS FAR AS THE BEST, UH, THERE'S BEEN TWO RECENT APPROVALS.
THOSE HAVE BEEN THE SMALLER SCALE PROJECTS AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'VE SEEN PROPOSALS FOR AN ACRE OF BATTERY CABINETS.
THIS IS MORE ON THE LEVEL OF, UH, TWO SMALL CABINETS IN A COMMERCIAL, UH, SHOPPING PLAZA.
THAT'S BEEN WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED THUS FAR IN THE LAST TWO, TWO YEARS.
IN TERMS OF THE, WHILE WE'RE HERE, IN TERMS OF THE A DU, BECAUSE, UH, HAS THERE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO AROUND, PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY'RE INTERESTED.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY, UM, ANYBODY ACTUALLY PURSUING ADU SO FAR? AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE ARE WE IN THAT ONE FORMAL A DU APPLICATION WITH SEVERAL CALLS? SO IT'S, I THINK THAT, AND WHERE WAS PRODUCTIVE LOCAL LAW AND, UM, WHERE WAS THAT? IN WHAT AREA? I CAN'T RECALL OFFHAND.
I JUST KNOW THAT ONE CAME IN THAT THE STAFF'S REVIEWING IT.
AS FAR AS MY RESOLUTIONS, JUST QUICKLY I CAN NOTE, UM, FAIL.
WE HAVE QUEUED UP BOTH A NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL INCORPORATING ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY'VE AGREED TO THAT HAVE, UM, BEEN DISCUSSED ALL ALONG WITH REGARDS TO SAFETY.
SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.
UM, LET'S STAY ON THE TOPIC A SECOND.
FOR, FOR THE PEOPLE LISTENING IN BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD OR ANY LAND USE BOARD APPROVES SITE PLAN PROJECT OR SUBDIVISION OR ANY TYPE OF LAND USE BOARD APPROVAL, IT'S GOING THROUGH AND, UH, DOCUMENTING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT OF THE PROJECT.
SO IT'S IN NEW YORK STATE PROCESS, AND WE DO THAT.
THE TOWN BOARD ROUTINELY DOES THAT ON EVERY PROJECT.
AND IN THIS INSTANCE, THE TOWN BOARD TOOK A HARD LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL AND THROUGH A VARIETY OF MITIGATIONS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT AS PROPOSED IS APPROVABLE, IF YOU WILL, FROM A NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, WHICH THEN PAVES THE WAY FOR, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S A TWO STEP RESOLUTION PROCESS.
BUT THE NEGATIVELY, THE NAV DECK MEANS THAT IT, IT'S A GOOD THING.
BECAUSE PEOPLE ASSOCIATE NEGATIVE NEGATIVELY.
SO IS IT A CONDITIONAL NEC? IT'S NOT A CONDITIONAL NEC.
UM, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS COME FORTH AND PUT EVERYTHING ON THE PLAN.
THERE ARE TIMES WHERE AN APPLICANT, UM, JUST REFUSES TO PUT A MITIGATION ON A PLAN.
BUT IF THE BOARD KNOWS THAT IT'S NECESSARY, THAT'S REALLY WHEN YOU EMPLOY THE CONDITION NEGATIVE DECLARATION BECAUSE, UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, VOLUNTARILY, UM, IDENTIFIED ALL THE MI MITIGATIONS ON THE PLAN.
WE, IN SPEAKING WITH LEGAL, UH, OPTED TO DO THE STANDARD NEGATIVE DECLARATION, WHICH SEEMED APPROPRIATE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DATE IS ON THE LATEST PLAN THAT SHOWS ALL THAT? UH, THE RECEIVED JUNE 5TH AND, UM, IT'S A LARGE SET.
SO THERE'S VARIOUS TIMES, BUT MOST RECENTLY, UH, UPDATED, I THINK AS RECENT AS PERHAPS MAYBE SIX ONE OR SIX TWO.
AND ENGINEERING HAS GONE OVER THE JUNE 5TH PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THAT THEY WANTED IS ON THE PLAN.
TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, YES.
AND IT'S BEEN CLARIFIED NOW THAT A STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE REMAINING, UH, ENGINEERING QUESTIONS.
UM, THERE'S THE OBLIGATION TO GET A STORMWATER PERMIT, WHICH I KNOW IS VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, REVIEW ASPECT THAT, UH, THAT'S CLARIFIED.
UH, AT THE HEARING THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF A HAMMERHEAD AND THAT IT WASN'T SHOWN AS PAVED.
UM, ALL THE THINGS LIKE THE, THE TRUCK WASH, THE SCALES, THOSE ARE ALL REFERENCED IN THE DECISIONS AND THEY'RE ON THE PLANS.
SO, UH, I REALLY THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.
JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE, WHY DON'T YOU ACTUALLY MAKE IT YOUR KNOWLEDGE BY TOMORROW NIGHT THAT, UH, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS, SAYS EVERYTHING THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE PLAN? IF WE'RE NOT DOING A CONDITIONAL MAG ACT, THEN EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ON THE PLAN.
UH, CD THREE JUST QUICKLY IS, UM, GOOD NEWS.
THE TOWN IS A RE RECIPIENT OF $45,000 NYSERDA GRANT.
WE'VE UTILIZED 30,000 OF THAT, UM, THUS FAR.
AND THE REMAINING 15,000 IS ESSENTIALLY A PIVOT.
INITIALLY, WE'RE GONNA DO SOME EV INFRASTRUCTURE.
AS IT TURNS OUT, THE TOWN STILL ASPIRES TO HAVE THAT WORK DONE, BUT JUST NOT THROUGH THIS GRANT.
UM, AND WHAT WILL BE PURCHASED IS, UH, ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY LAWN EQUIPMENT FOR THE PARKS DEPARTMENT.
SO REALLY, UM, A NEAT BATTERY POWERED, UH, RIDING MOWER IS, IS WHAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT INDICATED WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THEM.
SO, UH, THEY'LL BE USING THAT, NO EMISSIONS.
AND, UH, THIS GRANT WILL COVER ALMOST ALL OF THAT COST.
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SO THIS IS, UM, THAT'S A, THAT'S A RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE PRIOR, UH, GRANT.UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE EASEMENTS.
AND LASTLY, THERE'S A RESOLUTION CD FIVE TO, UH, APPROVE THE, UH, FAMILY UPDATE TO THE ZONING CODE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH REMOVED THAT, UM, DEFINITION PROVISION THAT WAS DEEMED, UM, EXCLUSIONARY.
UNCONSTITUTIONAL
SAME TO, NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.
ANYTHING ELSE? UM, YEAH, THE LAST ITEM, PW FIVE.
UM, WE'RE DOING ANOTHER STUDY.
DON'T, I MEAN, HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T THERE BEEN SO MANY STUDIES DONE ALREADY? AND WHO CAN EXPLAIN THAT? WHO'S NOT? NO ONE, NO ONE WHO'S HERE? WELL, I, I REMEMBER THE LAST STUDY, THE, THE INTERIM REPORT THAT THEY HAD TO, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THE INTERFACE WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.
IS THAT PART PARCEL? I MEAN, THIS, THE STUDY HAS STARTED AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT STOPS.
THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO STUDY AND, AND SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO HERE.
SO THIS IS THE, THE STUDY THAT WAS, IT'S A CONTINUATION.
THAT WAS A CONTINUATION THAT THEY WANTED TO DO.
BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE REASONS THEY, THEY HAD, THEY HAD INDICATED WAS THAT THERE WAS, BECAUSE RIVERS AND STREAMS, NO, NO MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.
THERE WERE SOME CONSIDERATIONS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING INTO.
SO MAYBE THE ENGINEERS DOING THE STUDY ON JOHNSON BROOK.
SO MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME MORE CLARITY ON EXACTLY WHERE IT STANDS AND WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN.
THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO STUDY.
AND THAT'S ALL WITH GRANT MONEY? OR IS IT GONNA BE, UH, PIECE, IS IT GONNA BE FUNDED BY THE TOWN? 'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE, I MEAN, I REMEMBER WE, THIS IS PROBABLY GOING ON, LIKE YOU SAID, FIVE, FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL GET MORE, I'LL GET MORE INSIGHTS.
MAYBE WE COULD ASK, UH, THE COMMISSIONER TO COME TO, UH, WE COULD, UH, HOLD IT OVER AND ASK THE COMMISSIONER TO COME TO THE, WELL, THIS IS JUST AN RFP, THIS IS JUST RFP.
BUT JUST TO DISCUSS THE, UH, THE VALUE OF THE RFP.
UM, I KNOW WE, THEY'VE BEEN MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS ON MANHATTAN BROOK AND ALSO TROUBLESOME BROOKE.
UM, EVERY TIME RAINS, THANK YOU.
PEOPLE ARE CONTACTING ME SAYING WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO SPEND TOWN MONEY, I'D RATHER SPEND MONEY ON DOING THINGS INTERNALLY AND ACTUALLY GETTING THINGS DONE RATHER THAN, UH, A REPORT THAT'S GOING TO GATHER A LOT OF DUST.
AND WELL, WHY DON'T WE GET AN UPDATE? NO, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IF WE GOT A, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH HEARING FROM THE COMMISSIONER.
IF HE SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
IT'S GOING TO, UH, HELP US COME UP WITH THE, THE RIGHT PLAN, YOU KNOW, PLANS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, COULD SELL IT, THEN WE SHOULD DO THE STUDY.
ON THE OTHER HAND, MAYBE THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE SPENDING ON THE STUDY WOULD BE BETTER OFF GIVING IT TO THEM TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING.
UH, ADMIN HAVING BROOKE AND TROUBLESOME BROOK, THAT WILL REDUCE SOME OF THE FLOODING EVEN MORE.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, UM, FOR THE PURPOSES OF, UM, INTERVIEWING A CANDIDATE, UH, FOR HUMAN RIGHTS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, DISCUSSING PERSONNEL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS.
I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT SECOND IN FAVOR, AYE.