[ DRAFT TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, June 17, 2026 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
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UH, WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY JUNE 17TH, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, IT IS 7:07 PM AND I WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.
UM, DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE JUNE 3RD MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING? YES.
WAS THERE ANY COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK ON THE MINUTES? I HAD ONE COMMENT.
I WASN'T AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT I WATCHED IT ON THE VIDEO AND I THINK THE APP APPLICANT WAS ASKED ABOUT PUTTING, UH, STAKING OUT THE SEPTIC FIELD TO MAKE SURE THAT NO VEHICLES OR, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT WENT ON THERE.
I HAD WRITTEN TO AARON EARLIER IN THE WEEK ABOUT THIS.
SO WE'LL CHECK THE TAPE ON THAT FROM THE LAST TWO MEETINGS 'CAUSE THEY HAD THE WORK SESSION AND THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THE LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE YOU WERE SPEAKING WITH RESPECT TO CASE NUMBER PB 25 DASH 33 AO 18 OLD FARM LANE.
SO FROM A MINUTES PERSPECTIVE, THAT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IT WOULDN'T BE IN THESE MINUTES.
BUT WE ARE, WE DO HAVE THAT PROJECT ON FOR CONSIDERATION OF A DECISION TONIGHT.
AND, UM, I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THAT TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? NO.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JUNE 3RD, 20, 26 MINUTES AS DISTRIBUTED.
UM, DO WE HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE THIS EVENING? NO CORRESPONDENCE.
NOTHING OUTSIDE OF PROJECT I NEVER DID ROLL.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, MAY YOU, UH, CONDUCT THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON PINE PRESENT MR. WEINBERG? HERE.
MS. ROBINSON WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING IN PLACE OF THE OPEN VACANCY WE HAVE.
AND MR. PATEL, OUR SECOND ALTERNATE IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.
DO I NEED TO VOTE ON THE MINUTES AGAIN? ALRIGHT.
UH, SO NOW THAT WE'VE DONE ROLL, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JUNE 3RD, 20, 26 MINUTES AS DISTRIBUTED.
UH, WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE.
UM, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS OF OLD BUSINESS FOR OUR WORK SESSION.
THE FIRST IS CASE NUMBER PB 25 33 AO.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT, UH, STAFF DISTRIBUTED A DRAFT DECISION, UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION.
DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH ANY SITES SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, UM, OR ANYTHING ELSE RELATED TO THE DRAFT DECISION? YES.
SO FOLLOWING CLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING ON JUNE 3RD, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, THE BOARD HAS TWO VOTES TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
FIRST, WITH RESPECT TO SEEKER, THE PROJECT QUALIFIES AS A TYPE TWO ACTION.
AND THEN SECONDLY, TO CONSIDER A DECISION ON THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPLICATION.
ON PAGE FOUR OF THE DRAFT DECISION, WE HAVE TWO SITE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.
FIRST, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKEN, UH, FROM A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL.
AND THE CONDITION 4.1 INDICATES PURSUANT TO SECTION TWO 80 DASH 10 G OF THE TOWN CODE, THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT TO BE RECORDED IN THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE, WHICH SHALL AT A MINIMUM A INCLUDE THE APPROVED PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THE LOCATION, DIMENSIONS AND PLANTING OF THE RAIN GARDEN SLASH BIORETENTION BASIN.
B, INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT PREVENTS FUTURE OWNERS FROM FILLING IN, PAVING OVER, OR DESTROYING THE RAIN GARDEN SLASH BIO RETENTION BASIN.
AND C, STATE THAT THE MAINTENANCE INCLUDING WEEDING, MULCHING, PRUNING, ENSURING THE INLET, UH, OWNER INLET OUTLET, THAT'S A TYPO, REMAINS CLEAR AND REPLANTING DECEASED PLANTS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
A FURTHER SECTION OR CONDITION 4.2 INDICATES IF DEEMED APPLICABLE BY THE TOWN ENGINEER, THE APPLICANT SHALL APPLY FOR AND OBTAIN A WATERCOURSE PROTECTION PERMIT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER TWO 70 OF THE TOWN CODE PRIOR TO FILING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.
UH, BEYOND THAT, THE CONDITIONS ARE PRETTY STANDARD FOR, UH, A PROJECT OF THIS TYPE.
I'LL JUST NOTE CONDITION 8.2 ON PAGE SIX, WHICH INDICATES THAT THE TOWN
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ENGINEER SHALL CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT, UH, WHICH IS GREATER THAN THE TOWN CODE REQUIRED 25 YEAR STORM EVENT, WHICH WAS REPRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE TO THE PLANNING BOARD AT A PRIOR MEETING.UM, BEYOND THAT, I THINK MR. WEINBERG, THIS IS THE CASE THAT, UH, YOU WERE REFERRING TO EARLIER.
AND I DID TEXT MR. BRITTON JUST TO SEE IF, UM, IF THERE WAS ANY NOTATION OR IF HE HAD ANY NOTES RELATED TO THE SEPTIC.
HE INDICATED TO ME THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MARKED THE AREA OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ON THE PLANS AND IDENTIFIED THAT IT'S NOT NEAR.
AND THEY DID SEND AN EMAIL TO THIS EFFECT THAT THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS NOT LOCATED ANYWHERE NEAR TO WHERE THE PROPOSED WORK WILL BE SITUATED.
UH, SO IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THE BOARD IF IT WOULD LIKE THEM TO STAKE AND OR FENCE OFF THE SEPTIC AREA, UH, SEPTIC SYSTEM AREA.
AND IF SO, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT CONDITION WITHIN THE ULTIMATE FINAL DECISION.
I MEAN, I, I WAS PRETTY CERTAIN IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE PUBLIC MEETING AND THE APPLICANT SEEMED TO BE FINE WITH IT AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, AN ADDED PRECAUTION TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, YOU DON'T CRACK THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UM, RELATED TO THE CAC RECOMMENDATION AND THE RESTRICTED COVENANT, IS THAT, UH, A STANDARD, UH, CONDITION FOR, UH, A RAIN GAR, A RAIN GARDEN OF THIS SORT? IT CERTAINLY HAS BEEN INCLUDED AND, UH, IN PRIOR, UH, PROJECTS AND THERE IS A PROVISION IN SECTION 2 80 10 G THAT PERMITS PLEASE.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. WEINBERG? CAN I HAVE, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
UM, WHAT DID, HOW DOES THE DRAINAGE OF THIS POOL HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, DURING THE OFF SEASON, WHERE DOES THE WATER GO? I BELIEVE THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING.
YEAH, I, WELL, I DO RECALL THAT THERE, MR. BRITTON.
THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT A PRIOR MEETING.
UM, BASICALLY THE SYSTEM DOES NOT NEED TO BE DRAINED.
IT'S THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT.
AND IT INDICATED THAT THE PIPING SHOWN, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE WORK SESSION ON THE ORIGINAL SET OF PLANS WAS UNNECESSARY AND THEY REMOVED THAT RIGHT FROM THE SUBSEQUENT SET OF PLANS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE DECISION? ALRIGHT, THEN WE HAVE TWO VOTES, UH, TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
OH, I'M SORRY, MS. ANDERSON, I'M SO SORRY TO INTERRUPT.
I'VE ACTUALLY GOT TWO TYPOS THAT I, OKAY.
IT SAYS INLET SLASH OWNER AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE INLET SLASH OUTLET.
RIGHT? WE DID GO THROUGH THAT.
DID YOU GO THROUGH THE OTHER ONE THAT I I DID NOT.
WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? FORGOT THAT 9.1.
SO IN THE DRAFT, UH, MS. ANDERSON IDENTIFIED THAT THERE ARE TWO 9.1 SECTIONS, SO, UH, WE WILL UPDATE THAT ACCORDINGLY.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE DECISION? YEAH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T TELL YOU BEFORE TODAY.
NO, THAT'S TONIGHT EITHER, SO THAT'S OKAY.
I, UH, SO WE HAVE TWO, UH, TWO VOTES TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
UH, FIRST TO CLASSIFY THE ACTION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA, UH, AND THEN TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION.
SO I WILL FIRST ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLASSIFY THE ACTION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCRA.
UH, NEXT I WILL ENTERTAIN, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION AS AMENDED FOR THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT.
MS. ANDERSON? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 26 0 4, GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER, EV CHARGERS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST.
UM, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE DRAFT DECISION? YES.
SO, EXCUSE ME JUST FOR ONE SECOND.
SO BEING THAT THE PROJECT QUALIFIES AS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER, UH, THE BOARD WILL WANT TO TAKE MULTIPLE
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VOTES THIS EVENING.FIRST TO CONSIDER CLASSIFYING THE PROJECT AS AN UNLISTED ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
AND THEN AS SUCH, STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO PREPARE A DRAFT SEEKER DETERMINATION, IN THIS CASE, A NEGATIVE DECLARATION OF SIGNIFICANCE, UM, WHICH WAS PROVIDED IN THE PACKAGES.
SO YOU'LL WANT TO CONSIDER VOTING ON THAT DOCUMENT AS WELL.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE DRAFT DECISION WITH RESPECT TO THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION.
UM, IN THE DRAFT DECISION THAT WAS CIRCULATED, UH, WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION WHICH WOULD BE ADDED TO THIS DRAFT, AND IT RELATES SOMEWHAT TO CONDITION NUMBER ONE, UM, REGARDING THE STRIPING OF CROSSWALKS, UM, ACROSS THE PROPERTY'S ENTRANCE ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
SO WE DID ULTIMATELY DETERMINE THAT CONDITION NUMBER ONE SATISFIES THAT.
SO IT STATES, I'LL JUST RECITE IT FOR THE RECORD.
BUT CONDITION NUMBER ONE INDICATES OR STATES THAT THE APPLICANT OR SUCCESSOR IN INTEREST SHALL OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY PERMITS AND APPROVALS FOR STRIPING THE CROSSWALKS ACROSS THE PROPERTY'S ENTRANCES ON CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UH, OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD DECISION FOR A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST.
SO THERE ARE NO OTHER SITE SPECIFIC.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? MR. WEINBERG? I HAD ONE, UH, QUESTION.
THE, UH, MS. ROBINSON POINTED OUT THAT DOG WASTE AREA, WHICH IS ACTUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
I MEAN, UH, WHEN I GO THERE, I'M ACTUALLY OPENING THE DRIVER'S DOOR INTO THAT AREA.
SO WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST MEETING A MAINTENANCE PLANT.
AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IN TERMS OF DETAILS, HOW OFTEN IS THAT? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHILE MOST PEOPLE ARE CAREFUL AND, AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR, THEIR DOGS AND WASTE, THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE THAT DON'T.
AND HOW OFTEN ARE, IS THE MAINTENANCE, ARE THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE GONNA COME OUT THERE AND WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY GONNA DO? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MY SENSE IS THEY OUGHT TO BE OUT THERE EVERY DAY AND THEY OUGHT TO REMOVE ANY, YOU KNOW, TRASH THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN THE, UH, GARBAGE PAILS AND CHECK THE AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAN.
SO I THINK IT HAS TO BE TIED TO HOW FREQUENT IT'S USED.
SO, UM, PERHAPS THERE'S A COMPARABLE USE OR, OR, OR, UM, PROPERTY THAT THEY CAN LOOK TO TO SEE HOW FREQUENTLY THEY NEED THAT SERVICE.
UM, IF IT'S ONCE A WEEK OR EVERY DAY OR EVERY OTHER DAY, MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT, UH, WE INFORM THE APPLICANT OF, YOU KNOW, THIS MATTER AND HAVE THEM PROVIDE A SCHEDULE TO THE SATISFACTION OF STAFF PRIOR TO PULLING A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A, AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION? WE CAN ADD THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ALRIGHT, THEN WE HAVE, UH, THREE VOTES TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
UH, CLASSIFYING THE ACTION, UH, CONSIDERING THE NEGATIVE DECLARATION AND THEN VOTING ON THE DRAFT DECISIONS.
SO I WILL, UH, FIRST ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLASSIFY THE ACTION AS UNLISTED, UH, UNDER CCRA.
UH, NEXT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT NEGATIVE DECLARATION AS DISTRIBUTED, UH, UNDER SO MOVED.
MS. ANDERSON? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, AND LAST, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION AS AMENDED FOR THE PLANNING BOARD SHARED PARKING REDUCTION REQUEST.
SECOND, MS. ROBINSON? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
NOW WE ARE MOVING INTO OUR, UH, PUBLIC HEARING.
SO I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE JUNE 17TH, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, MAY YOU CONDUCT THE ROLE? SURE.
OUR ALTERNATE MS. ROBINSON HERE WILL BE A FULL VOTING MEMBER IN PLACE OF THE CURRENT VACANCY WE HAVE ON THE BOARD.
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NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT OUR ALTERNATE NUMBER TWO, MR. PATEL, IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING.UH, SO UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING THIS EVENING, WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 26 0 5 BEARCAT, UH, AT EIGHT WILLOW LANE, UH, PO IRVINGTON.
AND THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
UH, IS THERE SOMEONE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES? UH, I BELIEVE ON ZOOM.
AND, UH, AS WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, MY NEIGHBOR LORI AND I, UH, LORI'S ACTUALLY HERE TONIGHT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE HEARING.
LORI AND I, UH, WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS BETWEEN OUR TWO BACKYARDS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO DISPLAY THE, UH, PLATE DRAWING AGAIN.
IF, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
JUST GIMME A MINUTE TO GET THAT UP HERE.
I WILL, I'LL ZOOM OUT A LITTLE SO WE CAN SEE THIS.
SO, UM, SO ONCE AGAIN, UH, JUST AS WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME, UH, THIS IS MY HOUSE, GABRIEL LANE, RIGHT, RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS A LITTLE LANE RIGHT HERE.
UM, THIS IS LORI'S HOUSE 1 6 5 TAXTER ROAD.
AS THE DRAWING INDICATES THE CURRENT LOT LINE EXISTS HERE BETWEEN OUR TWO PROPERTIES.
OUR PROPOSAL IS THAT WE'RE MOVING THE LOT LINE TO HERE BETWEEN OUR TWO PROPERTIES.
UH, SUBSEQUENT TO LAST MEETING, I PROVIDED, UH, DOCUMENTATION, UH, TO DISCUSS, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UH, THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT EXISTS HERE.
UM, AND, UH, STAND READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, AND I THINK LORI ALSO WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
LORI, IF YOU CAN APPROACH THE MICROPHONE
AND, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, I GUESS STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
UM, AND I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THIS PLAN.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, UH, ABOUT VERIFYING THAT THE, THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY LABELED AS RIGHT AWAY ON THE PLAT, UM, IS IN FACT IN, IN OWNERSHIP AND IS ABLE TO BE TRANSFERRED.
UM, IS THERE AN UPDATE YOU CAN PROVIDE ON THAT? OR MAYBE DE FIRST DEPUTY COMMISSIONER MAGANA CAN SHARE AN UPDATE ON THAT? SO, UM, IN USING THE TITLE REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED AS REFERENCE, UH, MATT AND I WERE ABLE TO LOCATE THE APPROPRIATE DEED, UH, INCLUDING THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE, THE, THE TWO APPLICANTS ARE IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO LEGALLY TRANSFER THE YES.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION THIS EVENING? IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION THIS EVENING? ALRIGHT.
UH, SEEING NONE, I WILL, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND KEEP THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH JUNE 24TH.
AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS MEETING.
THAT'S, UH, AN EASY ONE FOR YOU.
UM, I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS NEXT ONE TOO.
SO I'LL, LET ME INTRODUCE IT AND THEN YOU CAN RECUSE YOURSELF.
SO WE HAVE THREE CASES FOR, UM, NEW BUSINESS WORK SESSION THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST CASE NUMBER, TB UH, 26 0 3 PB 2318
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LOOP ROAD HOLDING LLC REGENERON LOGISTICS BUILDING, UH, AT 5 55 SAW RIVER ROAD IN TERRYTOWN PO TERRYTOWN.THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A TOWN BOARD AMENDED SITE PLAN.
UH, AND THIS, THIS HAS BEEN REFERRED TO US FROM THE TOWN BOARD, UH, AS WELL AS A T REMOVAL PERMIT AND AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANNING BOARD'S DEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN, MS. ANDERSON, I KNOW YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SHARE.
ALRIGHT, SO IF YOU CAN JUST GO, UH, JOIN THE AUDIENCE FOR A BRIEF MOMENT.
WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU CAN COME BACK.
UM, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
I'M A PARTNER WITH DELBELLO JANELLE AND WEINGARTEN WISE AND WHITAKER HERE THIS EVENING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS A WHOLLY OWNED AFFILIATE OF REGENERON PHARMACEUTICALS INC.
JOINING ME THIS EVENING FROM REGENERON, TED JESSON, KIM MARTIN, AND, UH, MY COLLEAGUE FROM JMC, OUR PROJECT ENGINEER STEVE SPINA.
UM, MANY OF YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS PROJECT.
WE WERE BEFORE YOU, UM, JUST ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO, IN CONNECTION WITH THE, UH, LOGISTICS BUILDING, WHICH WAS A, UH, SITE PLAN APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD FOR, AT THAT TIME, 136,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT WAS REFERRED TO THIS BOARD FOR YOUR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO HAD APPLICATIONS WHICH YOU GRANTED FOR STEEP SLOPES AND WETLANDS PERMITS.
SO OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, REGENERON HAS, UH, REEVALUATED ITS NEEDS ON ON ITS CAMPUS.
AND FOR THIS BUILDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, WE ARE NOW, UH, PROPOSING A MODIFICATION TO THAT APPROVAL TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THAT BUILDING SUBSTANTIALLY.
UH, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL, AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL THAT IS PENDING WITH THE TOWN BOARD.
AND, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED MR. CHAIR, IT WAS REFERRED TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION.
IN ADDITION, WE HAVE CORRESPONDING APPLICATION WITH THIS BOARD FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE, UH, PREVIOUSLY GRANTED WETLANDS AND STEEP SLOPES PERMIT.
SO STEVE'S GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH THE DETAILS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT, UH, OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN IN THAT IT'S A SUBSTANTIALLY SMALLER BUILDING AND THAT RESULTS OBVIOUSLY IN LESS DISTURBANCE, UH, NOT ONLY TO THE WETLAND BUFFER, BUT ALSO TO THE SLOPES.
AND SO WE'RE PREPARED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU THIS EVENING.
WANT TO, UH, SNEAK OUT?
UH, WE WORKED ON THIS CAMPUS FOR, UM, MANY, MANY YEARS AND HAD SEEN IT, UH, CHANGE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE LAST 15 TO 20 YEARS.
UM, THIS LATEST PROJECT WE'RE WORKING ON IS, UH, IT'S ON THE SOUTH CAMPUS IN GREENBURG.
IT'S ALONG THE EAST END OF THE SITE, UM, NEAR OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND ROUTE NINE.
UM, THE SLIDE I HAVE ON THE SCREEN HERE, CAN YOU GUYS SEE THE SCREEN OR IS IT GONE? JUST HAVE YOU
AS SOON AS I STARTED TALKING IT GAVE ME A ZOOM SPINNING THING AGAIN.
THIS HAPPENED LAST TIME AT THE TOWN BOARD.
WELL I'LL TALK WHILE I FIGURE THAT OUT.
THE APPROVALS THAT WE RECEIVED, AS JANET MENTIONED, WERE UH, TOWN BOARD FOR SITE PLAN AND TREES, AND THEN PLANNING BOARD HERE FOR STEEP SLOPES AND WETLANDS BACK IN 2024.
UM, I'LL TAKE YOU THROUGH, IF I CAN BRING IT UP SOME DETAILS OF WHAT WE'RE DETAILS OF WHAT WE'RE CHANGING.
UH, I'M GONNA LOG BACK IN IF I, IF I SHARE TOO SOON.
DOES THAT HAPPEN? NO, IT SHOULD BE OKAY.
AT THE TOWN BOARD I WAS SHARING AND THEN IT WAS GONE.
I I WATCHED THE WORK SECTION THE OTHER DAY.
AND I SAW THAT SAME THING, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S FINE.
YOU SAW THE COVER THOUGH, RIGHT? THE FIRST SHEET I DID SHEET.
YEAH, IT WAS UP, IT WENT AWAY.
HEY AARON, CAN YOU JUST ADMIT HIM REAL QUICK? ABSOLUTELY.
OH, YOU GOT, YOU GUYS ARE ON WITH THAT HOTSPOT.
I GUESS IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, WE CAN TRY.
WHICH ONE IS UH, JUST DO SCREEN.
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BRING THE POWERPOINT.WHERE IS THE TASK BAR? THERE WE GO.
ALRIGHT, I CAN WORK FROM HERE.
ALRIGHT, SO AS I WAS MENTIONING WAS, UH, THE LOCATION HERE.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE AERIAL PHOTO, UH, FROM UM, THE END OF 2025.
SO YOU SEE, UH, SOUTH CAMPUS HERE, SOME CHANGES THAT, UH, THIS BOARD WAS INVOLVED IN WITH THE PARCEL D-P-M-P-D PROJECT.
WE HAVE LOOP ROAD WELL UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH BUILDINGS COMING OUTTA THE GROUND.
AND PREVIOUSLY WE HAD TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS INSTALLED ALONG THE EAST SIDE HERE, UH, FOR CONTRACTOR PARKING AND ALSO FOR SOME DISPLACED PARKING THAT WAS REMOVED TO BUILD THE OTHER PROJECTS.
SO THE RED CIRCLE JUST SHOWS WHERE THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT IS FOCUSING.
UM, THEN WE HAVE HERE A A LITTLE SIDE BY SIDE SUMMARY.
SO AS, UH, JANET MENTIONED, UH, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN SCALED BACK A BIT, UM, BASED ON, UM, UH, SOME REDIRECTION AND, UH, YOU COULD SEE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON.
HERE WE HAVE A, WE WENT FROM 136,000 SQUARE FOOT FOUR STORY BUILDING TO A ONE STORY 37,500.
SO QUITE A BIT SMALLER OF A BUILDING.
UM, WE ARE, UH, STILL REMOVING A PORTION IN THE EXISTING TEMPORARY PARKING LOT THAT IS, THAT IS BUILT THERE.
UM, THERE WILL BE A DECREASE IN WETLAND BUFFER DISTURBANCE, UH, WAS 0.82 ACRES.
UM, AGAIN, THE WETLAND BUFFER DISTURBANCE IS ONLY FOR GRADING.
STORM WATER LANDSCAPING, NO IMPERVIOUS AREA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, WITHIN THE BUFFER, UM, WE WILL, UH, BE REDUCING THE STEEP SLOPES DISTURBANCE AND TREE REMOVAL.
WE'RE PROPOSING THEM REMOVAL LESS TREES.
NOW THEN THE PRIOR APPROVED PROJECT, WE STILL HAVE THE SAME SITE ACCESS DRIVEWAY PROPOSED AND A CONNECTION DOWN TO THE CAMPUS FROM THE BUILDING LOCATION UP HERE.
UM, IT'S STILL A PERMITTED USE.
UM, WE STILL MEET, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
UM, PREVIOUSLY, UM, UH, REQUIRING MORE PARKING FOR THE LARGER BUILDING WHERE NOW WE HAVE LESS PARKING, UH, REQUIRED AND LESS PROVIDED.
UH, HERE'S A SIDE BY SIDE OF, SORRY, WHEN IT COMES UP.
SO ON THE LEFT SIDE WAS THE APPROVED PLAN.
ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE NEW PLAN.
WE'LL GO, WE HAVE AN OVERLAY AS WELL TO HELP, UM, VISUALIZE IT.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, BUT IT'S ALSO ONLY ONE STORY AS OPPOSED TO FOUR.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A SMALLER LOADING AREA, SMALLER CIRCULATION AROUND THE BUILDING, UM, AND A DIFFERENT ROUTE, UM, FROM THE BUILDING DOWN TO THE CAMPUS.
ON THE UPPER LEFT CORNER OF THE VIEW, UH, IN THIS AREA HERE IS, IS THE REMAINDER OF THE CAMPUS.
UM, IN BOTH VIEWS THERE'S CURRENTLY A PARKING LOT BUILT, UH, BETWEEN THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE BUILDING AND THE CAMPUS.
WE PREVIOUSLY WERE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE PARKING LOT AND PROPOSE A ROADWAY STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE CAMPUS.
WE'D LIKE TO KEEP A PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT ALONG THE ROADWAY DOWN THERE AND UTILIZE THE REST OF IT AS THE ROUTE TO GET DOWN TO THE CAMPUS.
SO SIMILAR, UM, APPROACH, JUST, UM, TRYING TO LIMIT THE DISTURBANCE, KEEP WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE BUILT THERE, UM, INSTEAD OF COMPLETELY REMOVING EVERYTHING.
UM, AND THEN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE SITE, UM, REALLY HASN'T CHANGED.
UM, WE DID PREVIOUSLY HAVE A SIDEWALK PROPOSED FROM THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT THERE.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANYMORE.
WE'RE JUST GONNA NOT ADD ANY NEW IMPERVIOUS DOWN THERE AND, UM, REMOVE ANY DISTURBANCE THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE IN THE WETLAND BUFFER THERE.
SO THERE'S JUST A SMALL CHANGE, UH, AND LESS IMPACTS ON THE SOUTH END, BUT OTHERWISE THAT IS PRETTY MUCH STAYING THE SAME.
THE BUFFER, HERE'S AN OVERLAY OF THE TWO PLANS.
SO THE, THE RED ON THE RIGHT THERE IS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, AND THE PURPLE OR THE BLUE IS WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
UM, SO IT'S THE RED WAS, UH, LOT CLOSER TO THE BUFFER, UM, AND LARGER, UH, WHILE THE BLUE, UM, STAYS MORE TOWARDS THE ROADWAY MO MOSTLY WITHIN THE SAME FOOTPRINT OF WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN RED.
SO THE, THE GREEN SORT OF CIRCLE IS THE WETLAND.
COULD YOU, LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
CAN YOU IDENTIFY THE WETLAND ON THE SURE.
SO THIS, THIS LONG SHAPE HERE IS ONE WETLAND.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE DOWN HERE.
AND THEN THE, THE GREEN LINE IS THE BUFFER.
THAT'S THE A HUNDRED FOOT TOWN WETLAND
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BUFFER ALL THE WAY AROUND, UM, TO HERE.AND SO TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE THE BLUE OR THE PURPLE, UM, IS CLOSER TO THE WETLAND THAN THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED RED.
AM I? WELL, EXCEPT FOR THE RED PORTION ALONG THE WHOLE SIDE TO THE RIGHT, KIND OF LIKE, BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE ELIMINATED.
YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE SLIVER HERE AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THEN THE ENTIRE KIND OF WEST SIDE OF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED DEVELOPMENT GOT IT.
UH, WAS ALL PAVED AND HAD A LARGE RETAINING WALL PRETTY MUCH RIGHT UP TO THAT BUFFER.
AND THEN TO BUILD THE WALL, WE NEEDED TO DISTURB TEMPORARILY AND REMOVE SOME TREES AND THINGS.
SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH HOLDING WHAT IS CURRENTLY THE EDGE OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT THAT'S OUT THERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA HOLD THAT LINE AND NOT GO FARTHER INTO THE, THE BUFFER OR INTO THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PERVIOUS LAWN AND LANDSCAPED AREA THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
SO IT, IT DEFINITELY REDUCES THE, THE IMPACTS IN, IN THAT WAY.
UM, THE GREEN BOX UP HERE WAS JUST SHOWING THAT WE'RE, THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN EXISTING PARKING LOT THERE NOW THAT WE WANT TO REMOVE AND RESTORE.
SO THAT WAS A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT.
UM, IT WOULD, IT WAS UTILIZED, UM, DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE OTHER PROJECTS.
STILL IS A LITTLE BIT UTILIZED, BUT WE'D LIKE TO REMOVE THAT AREA AND RESTORE IT, WHICH WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UM, UH, GOAL FOR THAT AREA AS WELL.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IN GREEN.
UH, MS. ROBINSON, SINCE THE, THE REVISED PLAN IS COMING CLOSE TO THE WATERCOURSE WETLAND AT THE BOTTOM, I WOULD ACTUALLY PREFER TO SEE THE ORIGINAL PINK PATHWAY THAT YOU HAD FROM THE PARKING LOT TO CONNECT THE TWO AREAS.
SO IF YOU NOTICE THE, WHERE THE PARKING LOT EXISTS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PINK AREA GOING TO THE NEW AREA, IT'S ACTUALLY FURTHER AWAY FROM THE WATERCOURSE.
YOU'RE GOING TO TURN, UM, PART OF THAT INTO, UM, LANDSCAPING ANYWAY.
BUT IT WOULD BE MORE DIRECT AND THEN FURTHER AWAY.
SO, SO THIS, UM, WE HAVE SOME AERIALS THAT WE COULD SHOW TOO, BUT THIS, THIS BLUE HERE, UM, ALTHOUGH IT'S PART OF THE, UH, THE CURRENT PROJECT WE'RE PROPOSING, IT'S ACTUALLY ALREADY INSTALLED.
THIS IS AN APPROVED PARKING LOT HERE.
SO ORIGINALLY IT WASN'T GOING TO STAY.
THE ORIGINAL PLANS WERE TO, UM, UTILIZE IT FOR YEARS AND UNTIL THE OVERALL CAMPUS PROJECT WAS BUILT AND THEN REMOVE AND RESTORE.
UM, IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THAT IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFER.
THAT AREA'S COMPLETELY OUTSIDE THE WETLAND BUFFER.
IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
I, I STARTED OFF THE PRESENTATION.
SO IT, IT'S AN AREA THAT WAS BUILT, UM, CONSTRUCTED, UTILIZED, UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING, UH, ADJACENT TO IT.
THERE'S A RETAINING WALL THERE.
UM, WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT, UM, IT'S AN EXISTING ROUTE THAT WE'D LIKE TO, UM, CONTINUE TO UTILIZE.
SO IT'S, IT'S OUTSIDE THE BUFFER AND, AND WOULDN'T BE CAUSING ANY NEW DISTURBANCE.
UM, CAN YOU PROVIDE THE AERIALS THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT PERHAPS YES, PLEASE.
I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF AND I'D LIKE TO STAY ON THIS TOPIC FOR A MOMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, JOHN CANNING ON ZOOM THIS EVENING.
WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THE PROJECT TEAM RELATED SPECIFICALLY, OR AT LEAST PARTIALLY TO THIS, UM, EXACT MATTER.
SO WE'LL WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. CANNING AS WELL.
SO HERE'S A, HERE'S A SLIDE WE HAD A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, ON THE LEFT THERE IS, UH, KIND OF NORTHWEST OF THE BUILDING, IS THAT EXISTING PARKING LOT.
WE, WE JUST WANT TO UTILIZE THE ROADWAY THAT COMES DOWN AND UTILIZE THAT PATH THROUGH HERE.
THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPING AROUND, YOU KNOW, TREES THAT WERE PLANTED AROUND THE PERIMETER HERE AS WELL.
UM, WE JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT AND CONTINUE TO UTILIZE IT.
WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLES ARE TRAVERSING THAT KIND OF CIRCUITOUS ROUTE TO? SO GET TO THE MAIN CAMPUS, IT WOULD BE BOX TRUCKS AND VANS.
UH, THE IDEA IS THAT, UH, THIS, THIS WOULD BE A CENTRAL SORT OF RECEIVING FACILITY THAT WOULD GET THE LARGER TRUCKS FROM ROUTE NINE AND THEN FROM THERE THEY WOULD DISTRIBUTE TO SMALLER TRUCKS THAT WOULD THEN BE DEPLOYED OUT TO THE REST OF THE CAMPUS.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOUR TYPICAL VAN VANS, BOX TRUCKS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
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LARGER TRUCKS, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM HAVING TO GO TO THE, TO THE MIDDLE OF THE CAMPUS.JUST TO CLARIFY, FOR THE, FOR THE MAJORITY OF DELIVERIES, ROUTE NINE A NINE A, SORRY, DO WE WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. CANNING? YES.
UM, SO THIS WAS A, SUPPOSED TO BE A TEMPORARY PARKING AREA AND THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE PARKING, UH, BUT RETAIN THE TRAVEL AISLE.
SO IF YOU WERE GOING FROM THE LOGISTICS BUILDING IN ONE OF THE TRUCKS, YOU WOULD LEAVE THE BUILDING, WHICH IS THE YELLOW AREA, UH, DRIVE IN A SORT OF NORTH WESTERLY DIRECTION, MAKE A LEFT TURN, GO DOWN WHERE AROUND THE OLD PARKING, MAKE A RIGHT TURN, GO DOWN ALONG THE WETLAND OR THE WETLAND BUFFER, MAKE A RIGHT TURN TO GO UP TOWARDS THE OTHER PARKING THAT'S AT THE TOP, MAKE A LEFT TURN AND, AND GO OVER TO THE, UH, THE CIRCUIT LOOP ROAD HOLDING CIRCULATION ROAD.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE, IS IT FEASIBLE FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE JUST TO TAKE THAT ROAD FROM THE LOGISTICS BUILDING DOWN THE TOP OF THAT PARKING AREA TO THE LOOP ROAD? RIGHT.
STEVE, CAN YOU GO TO THE OVERLAY PLAN? THIS ONE HERE, IS IT, OH, SORRY, YOU GOT THE DELAY.
IT'S THE ONE WITH THE, THE BLUE AND THE RED.
OKAY, THAT'S HELPFUL BECAUSE THE PINK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, OR THE RED, UM, WAS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND NOW THE PURPLE, AT LEAST IN SOME AREAS IS THE PROPOSED AND EXISTING.
SO JOHN, COULD YOU JUST GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN? YOU MENTIONED THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT
THAT TO GO FROM THE LOGISTICS BUILDING, YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE YOU GO UP TOWARDS THE GREEN AREA, YOU MAKE A LEFT TURN, YOU MAKE A RIGHT TURN, YOU MAKE A RIGHT TURN, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE, WHEN YOU GET BY THE CORNER OF THE GREEN AREA, YOU HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER LEFT TURN TO GO OVER TO THE LOOP ROAD.
AND IN LOOKING AT THE, UH, UH, TOPOGRAPHY THERE, UM, IT WOULD APPEAR, ALTHOUGH THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK REQUIRED, BUT IT WOULD APPEAR THAT YOU COULD MAKE A DIRECT CONNECTION FROM THE PURPLE AREA ONCE YOU'VE LEFT THE LOGISTIC BUILDING AND GO STRAIGHT ACROSS THE TOP OF THE GREEN AREA AND OUT TO THE, UM, AND OUT TO THE, UH, LOOP ROAD.
KIND OF LIKE A, A MORE STRAIGHT OR DIRECT RUN.
I DO KNOW THERE'S A GRADE CHANGE, BUT I'LL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
SO, SO JOHN, ARE YOU SAYING IN THIS DIRECTION HERE? YEP.
UH, YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE PRIMARY REASON THERE IS THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT TOPOGRAPHICAL CHANGE IN ELEVATION.
UM, THERE, THERE'S A A 20 SOMETHING, MAYBE 25 FOOT HIGH RETAINING WALL RIGHT HERE THAT WAS CURRENTLY BUILT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY THERE.
SO THAT PARKING LOT WAS A TIERED PARKING LOT.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE A VERY STEEP SLOPE TO GO THAT WAY.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, FLATTEN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN ARE YOU THAT, I'M SORRY, THAT AREA IS BEING TORN OUT THOUGH ANYWAY.
IS THAT RIGHT? FOR THE RESTORATION PURPOSES? SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S REMAINING WITH THE LARGE RETAINING WALL, THE PARKING, THE RETAINING WALL WOULD REMAIN.
WE'D LIKE TO KEEP THE BLUE HERE IS THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.
AND THE GREEN BOX IS JUST A FLAT PARKING AREA.
IT'S, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FLAT.
NO, BUT IT'S, UM, UH, IT'S UH, A FIELD OF PARKING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE TO RESTORE THAT.
UM, AND THEN YOU JUST UTILIZE THE PERIMETER OF IT FOR THE TRUCK ROUTING.
AND I THINK ON OUR, UM, ZOOM CALL, YOU GUYS HAD SOME IMAGERY, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU SHOWED US OF LIKE, I THINK THERE'S A STAIRCASE THAT TIES IN OVER THERE.
DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT HANDY? UH, WELL IN THIS AERIAL HERE, UM, THERE, THIS STAIRCASE HERE, YOU'RE SAYING, DID WE HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THIS? I THINK YOU HAD LIKE SOME PHOTOS OF THE LOT AND, AND EVEN MATT, DO YOU RECALL THAT? THE
UM, I MEAN I CAN TRY TO PULL THAT UP NOW.
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I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THEM IN THE PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING.SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, FRANK, RIGHT, AND IF YOU CAN PULL BACK UP THE, THE PURPLE DIAGRAM AGAIN, PURPLE AND THE RED, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO UTILIZE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, THAT WAS BUILT AS A TEMPORARY SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM THEY HAD FOR PARKING.
IS IT THE BEST SOLUTION? I WOULD ARGUE PROBABLY NOT.
AND THERE MAY BE A SOLUTION THAT REQUIRES THE EXPENDITURE OF MONEY, MAYBE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT IT MIGHT RESULT IN A BETTER SOLUTION THAN COMING OUTTA THE LOGISTICS BUILDING AND MAKING 1, 2, 3, 4 PERPENDICULAR TURNS, 90 DEGREE TURNS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE LOOP ROAD.
AND, AND THE APPLICANT'S POSITION IS THAT THEY EITHER DON'T WANT TO DO IT, CAN'T DO IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'VE SEEN ANY EVIDENCE THAT IS NOT FEASIBLE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON THAT A BIT SO I, AND GET CLARITY ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT OR IT'S SIMPLY NOT DESIRABLE FROM THE APPLICANT'S STANDPOINT.
SO TO, TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT, IS THE GREEN REST PROPOSED RESTORATION AREA, UM, STEEPLY SLOPED, AND THEN ALSO, UM, I THINK THE SECTION ABOVE IT THAT WAS DISCUSSED BEFORE, WHICH HAD A SIGNIFICANT SLOPE CHANGE, UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE GRADIENT, UH, SUFFICIENT FOR TRUCKS? RIGHT.
SO WHATEVER THE REQUIREMENT IS, I THINK IT'S LIKE NO MORE THAN 8%.
DURING THE STAFF MEETING AND, AND WITH, UH, THE PROJECT TEAM AND JOHN CANNING AS WELL, WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE, THE DISTANCE RUN.
AND JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL HAVE THOSE KIND OF HAND NOTES FROM WHEN WE MET AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, A, A REASONABLE, UM, GRADE WOULD BE ACROSS, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 280 LINEAR FEET AND THEN OVER THE 20 SOME ODD FOOT GRADE CHANGE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND EIGHT OR 10% AM AM I RECALLING THAT CORRECTLY? I, I'M LOOKING FOR THE EMAIL NOW.
OF COURSE I CAN'T FIND IT IN THE MOMENT, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ORDER OF WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING.
DID THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY KIND OF FEEDBACK OR DID YOU LOOK INTO IT A BIT FURTHER FOLLOWING THAT, THAT MEETING THAT WE HAD? UH, ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY? YEAH, I GUESS THE MAIN, THE MAIN REASONS WE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, SO IT'S DESIRED TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS NOW IN BLUE IN TERMS OF FEASIBILITY, UM, IT WOULD BE PRETTY STEEP.
I THINK WE LOOKED AT IT AND IT WAS CLOSER TO 10%, MAYBE 9.5%.
IT GOT A LITTLE STEEP, UM, ESPECIALLY FOR TRUCKS.
UM, BUT THE OTHER REASONS TOO THAT WE WOULD, WE WANTED TO, UH, KEEP THAT AREA, UM, UH, THE BLUE PATH WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY IN THE FUTURE IF THERE WERE ANY, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS TO THE NORTH OF HERE WHERE THAT TRAILER COMPLEX IS CURRENTLY, WHERE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS ARE.
I MEAN, TRUTHFULLY WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT'S ALSO TEMPORARY.
THERE ARE NO PLANS TO KEEP THAT FOREVER.
IT'S JUST CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS.
BUT MAYBE A BUILDING COULD GO THERE.
WE'VE STUDIED IT, IT'S, IT'S PER CODE.
IT COULD, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROPOSE A BUILDING THERE IF WE, IF WE BUILT A DRIVEWAY THAT WENT IN THE ROUTE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT JUST, IT, IT REDUCES WHAT YOU COULD DO THERE, TRUTHFULLY.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT IDEAL IN TERMS OF LIKE KEEPING YOUR, YOUR OPTIONS OPEN FOR FLEXIBILITY.
SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ONE REASON.
ANOTHER REASON WAS WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THIS CURRENTLY PROPOSED SITE PLAN IN TERMS OF EARTH WORK.
WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THE MATERIAL THAT WE'RE GONNA REMOVE TO BUILD THE BUILDING, UM, AND PUT IT IN THE GREEN AREA AND BALANCE THE SITE AND NOT HAVE A LOT OF TRUCKS TAKING MATERIAL OFF THE SITE.
UM, AND THAT GREEN AREA IS ALSO PRETTY VISIBLE FROM THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO WE THOUGHT IF THERE WAS A GOOD SPOT TO RESTORE BECAUSE IT'S SO VISIBLE FROM THE ROUNDABOUT, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD AREA TO PUT, YOU KNOW, SOME NICE UNDULATING TOPOGRAPHY, MAKE IT LOOK MORE NATURAL AND PUT, PLANT A BUNCH OF TREES.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ON THE, THE LANDSCAPING PLAN.
SO WE, THERE WAS A FEW THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE YOU COULD, WE CAN ENGINEER ANYTHING, BUT, UH, I THINK THOSE ARE SOME PRETTY GOOD REASONS
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WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.DO YOU HAVE LANDSCAPE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO, SO I, I I GUESS I'M HEARING, I GUESS I'M HEARING TWO THINGS THOUGH.
SO I'M HEARING, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WANT FLEXIBILITY FOR THE FUTURE THAT MAYBE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT A BUILDING IN, IN THE GREEN AREA AND YOU KNOW, NOT CUTTING INTO THE CORNER MAXIMIZES THE FLEXIBILITY YOU'D HAVE.
BUT THEN YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT MOVING EARTH WORK AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PLANTING TREES AND, AND DOING WORK THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE TO BE UNDONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF IF NOW OR IN THE FUTURE SHORT, SHORT OR LONG TERM IN THE FUTURE, UH, YOU WERE TO SEEK TO DEVELOP THE, THE GREEN AREA.
I WAS JUST, I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.
SO WHAT, WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS, AND I'M TRYING TO USE THIS ARIEL 'CAUSE IT'S JUST ZOOMED OUT MORE, THE GREEN AREA IS DOWN HERE, IF YOU COULD SEE MY CURSOR MM-HMM.
WHAT I'M THINKING AND OUR OVERALL COLLECTIVE THOUGHT IS THIS TRAILER COMPLEX UP HERE.
THAT MAY BE A POTENTIAL AREA NORTH OF THE GREEN AREA THAT A FUTURE BUILDING COULD GO.
SO IF WE WERE TO BUILD A DRIVEWAY NORTH OF THE GREEN AREA, IT WOULD KIND OF CUT THROUGH THAT AND IT WOULD JUST, IT, IT WOULD JUST LIMIT WHAT YOU COULD DO THERE.
SO IF YOU CAN GO, I KNOW WE KEEP GOING BACK AND FORTH, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE SURE.
UM, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF OUTTA THE VIEW HERE.
THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T WANNA STAY ON THE SHEET.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE'RE THE YEAH, THE, THE OVERLAY.
I THINK IT'S JUST, I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE AND, AND I, I APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO, TO USE AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AS, AS CURRENTLY EXISTS, BUT I THINK REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS LIKE JUST THAT LITTLE AREA RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THAT RED, YOU KNOW, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS BLUE STAYS THE SAME AND THIS, THIS PATHWAY STAYS THE SAME.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS LITTLE CORNER.
AND SO IS THAT, IS THAT CORNER POTENTIALLY A FUTURE, FUTURE AREA TO BE DEVELOPED OR CAN I JUMP IN JUST FOR A SECOND? SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE MY NEXT, UH, COMMENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK BEFORE NOW TOUCHING ON, WELL WHAT ABOUT JUST KEEPING THE PINK TRAVEL ROUTE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, I'LL JUST GO, SO WHAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE STAFF MEETING WAS, RATHER THAN THE PINK AND RATHER THAN THIS PURPLE, WHY NOT A STRAIGHT SHOT ACROSS THE GREEN? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. ESPINA WAS RESPONDING TO, THAT IF YOU WENT STRAIGHT ACROSS THERE, YOU KIND OF CUT OFF, UM, THE AREA TO THE NORTH WHERE THERE MAY POTENTIALLY BE A FUTURE, YOU KNOW, BUILDING OR EXPANSION.
BUT WE KNOW THE CHAIRMAN'S, UM, POINT, WHAT ABOUT THE PINK, WHICH WAS THE ORIGINALLY APPROVED OPTION THAT WOULD HAVE LESS INTRUSION, YOU KNOW, OR LESS PROXIMITY TO ANYTHING IN THE FUTURE TO THE NORTH, OUTSIDE THIS AREA.
UM, BECAUSE AT LEAST YOU'RE SOFTENING THAT ONE TURN.
UM, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT SLOPES MAY EXIST, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO BE OVERCOME WHEN THIS APPLICATION WAS, WAS FIRST APPROVED AND IT WAS PREVIOUSLY DESIGNED, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
UM, SO I GUESS THE TWO, THE TWO THINGS I WOULD SAY ABOUT THAT IS, UM, WE, IT IT WOULD BE, UH, MORE EARTH WORK BECAUSE I THINK IN THE AREA WHERE THE PINK IS CUTTING THROUGH THE GREEN, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD WANT TO BE HIGHER, UM, IN ORDER TO, AT A GOOD SLOPE MEET THE, UH, I GUESS AS YOU HEAD TO TOWARDS THE RIGHT WHERE THE BUILDING IS, UM, IT, IT, IT, IT WOULD END UP, UH, HAVING US ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE FILL THERE.
UM, MAYBE HAVING TO REMOVE OR MODIFY THAT RETAINING WALL THAT'S BUILT.
UM, SO WE JUST FELT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BETTER DESIGN WAS TO LEAVE IT ALONE.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO ALSO CHECK IF THE TRUCKS WOULD BE ABLE TO COME DOWN IN THE PINK ROUTE AND THEN HAVE LESS TIME TO STRAIGHTEN OUT AS THEY DO BEFORE THEY COULD MAKE THE TURN BACK UP KIND OF UP INTO THE RIGHT, THE REST OF THE, BUT I MEAN, WASN'T THAT ALL WORKED OUT WHEN THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED? RIGHT? YEAH.
I'M SAYING KEEP THE PINK OH, ALL THE WAY THAT HERE.
OH, WELL WE WOULD BE, WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO REMOVE, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THOSE RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE THERE, UM, ALREADY BUILT, UM, ALL THE PARKING LOT.
IT JUST WOULD BE A LOT MORE DISRUPTIVE TO THE CURRENT CAMPUS
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OPERATIONS TO DO THAT.THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING ON THERE.
WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE THE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE THERE THAT ARE BEING USED.
AND, UM, REALLY TRUTHFULLY JUST LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF WORK TO REMOVE, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY BUILT, YOU KNOW, NICE RETAINING WALLS AND PARKING LOTS.
UM, SO WE CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT AVOIDS THAT, BUT STILL WORKS IN TERMS OF THE CONNECTIVITY TO THE, FROM THE BUILDING TO THE CAMPUS.
'CAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER RETAINING WALL HERE.
THIS IS ABOUT A 30 FOOT HIGH RETAINING WALL.
THOUGH I, I, I GUESS IT, IT WORKS TO THE EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, JOHN CANNING HAS, HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND THE BLUE, THE BLUE ROUTE WORKS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THE TRUCK TURNING, UH, REVIEWED IT WITH JOHN.
UM, I, IS IT A LITTLE MORE CIRCUITOUS THAN THE RED? OF COURSE.
UM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS BUILT, WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE, WHICH WE THINK IS GOOD INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE, IT WOULD AVOID A, WHAT WE THINK WOULD BE AN UNNECESSARY DISRUPTION FOR HOWEVER MANY MONTHS OR PROBABLY A YEAR IT WOULD TAKE TO DEMOLISH THOSE WALLS.
UM, I MEAN, PROBABLY AT LEAST 50 YEARS.
IT'S A, IT, IT'S, IT'S BEING JUST, SO I GUESS I GUESS MY, MY POINT IS LIKE, TO THE EXTENT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A BUILDING THAT YOU ANTICIPATE USING FOR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT FIVE DECADES, UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO CUT CORNERS NOW AND TO ACCESS IT, UM, JUST GIVES ME PAUSE.
I, I THINK, UH, AND THAT'S A GOOD POINT.
I THINK WHEN THE, WHEN THE PARKING LOTS WERE CONSTRUCTED, THE TEMPORARY LOTS IN THE, IN THE PLACE OF THIS BUILDING AND, AND WHERE THE GREEN AREA IS, UM, I, I'M ALMOST POSITIVE THERE WAS NOT A THOUGHT OF PUTTING A BUILDING HERE.
SO NOW THAT WE'VE EXPLORED OPTIONS AND IT'S A GOOD OPTION TO PUT A BUILDING HERE, WE'RE TRYING TO OUR, OUR BEST TO WORK WITH WHAT WAS BUILT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE LIKE CUTTING CORNERS.
WE, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WAS BUILT, UH, A PARKING LOT, RETAINING WALLS, UH, A ROUTE AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO WORK WITH IT INSTEAD OF COMPLETELY REMOVING IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, STARTING BACK FROM, YOU KNOW, LIKE DEPUTY, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT.
UM, ONE IS, IS THERE A REASON WHY THE PINK ROUTE IN THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN WAS PROPOSED RATHER THAN THE BLUISH PURPLE ROUTE THAT YOU NOW PROPOSE? WAS THERE SOME DIFFERENCE BASED ON EITHER THE SKY SIZE SCALE OR RELATED PARKING? AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESS WAY BEHIND THAT BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PLAYED INTO, UH, WHY THE PINK WAS SHOWN PINK ROUTE, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT.
AND THEN SECONDLY, TO THE LEFT OF THE GREEN BOX, THAT IS A PARKING LOT APPROVED AS TEMPORARY AND PROPOSED TO BE RESTORED.
THAT PURPLISH AREA TO THE LEFT OF IT WAS, WHICH I BELIEVE HAS ONE OR MORE RETAINING WALLS.
WAS THAT ALSO PART OF THE TEMPORARY AREA THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED? RIGHT.
WAS THAT AREA THAT'S BUILT OUT, WAS THAT APPROVED UNDER, YOU KNOW, IN ANTICIPATION OF IT BEING TEMPORARY BUILD MUCH LIKE THE GREEN PARKING LOT? YES.
THE VEHICLE EITHER ROUTE THE VEHICLES THAT WILL TRAVEL THAT ROUTE, ARE THEY GOING TO BE REGENERON VEHICLES, VANS, ET CETERA, MOVING THINGS FROM THE NEW BUILDING? YES.
SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, UH, CARS COMING OFF OF, UH, NINE A OR SO BASICALLY IT'S FOR YOUR INTERNAL PURPOSES, CORRECT.
NO DELIVERY TRUCKS OR EXTERNAL.
ALL, ALL DELIVERY TRUCKS WOULD COME IN, THE EXTERNAL TRUCKS WOULD COME IN, ACCESS THE LOADING AREA, UNLOAD, AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE LOGISTICALLY DEALT WITH WITHIN THE BUILDING.
AND THEN NEXT TO THOSE LOADING SPACES, THERE'S SMALLER LOADING SPACES OR, OR THOSE TRUCKS WOULD MOVE AND THEN YOU'D HAVE LIKE THE BOX TRUCKS,
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THE VANS, THEY WOULD REORDER AND RELOAD AND SEND, YOU KNOW, SEND THEM OUT TO WHERE, WHATEVER BUILDINGS THOSE WOULD GO TO.UM, ALTHOUGH WE DID CHECK IT FOR FIRE TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OF COURSE, BUT THE 90% OF THE ROUTE WOULD BE SMALLER.
THE 90% OF VEHICLES WOULD BE LIKE SMALLER TRUCKS OR PASSENGER VEHICLES.
THERE WOULD BE, REGENERON EMPLOYEES WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARK UP BY THE BUILDING AND IF THEY WANTED TO GO DOWN TO THE CAMPUS, THEY COULD DRIVE DOWN THERE.
UM, IT REALLY JUST KEEP IT, THE EFFORT IS TO KEEP THE MAJORITY OF THE LARGE DELIVERIES OFF THE CAMPUS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO CENTRALIZE OPERATIONS.
I KNOW IT'S NOT CENTER OF THE CAMPUS, BUT, UH, CONSOLIDATE OPERATIONS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, SO I GUESS O OTHER THAN OTHER THAN, AGAIN, JUST TRYING TO MINIMIZE DISTURBANCE, HA HAS ANYTHING ELSE CHANGED, UM, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN THE RETAINING WALL AND THE PARKING LOT THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AS TEMPORARY, UM, AS NOW, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DESIRE TO RETAIN IT? UM, I, I THINK, I THINK JUST, UH, HAVING INVESTED WHAT THEY INVESTED IN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
BUT YOU INVESTED IN IT WHEN YOU, WHEN IT WAS PROPOSED AS TEMPORARY, SO THAT, THAT WAS, THAT WAS DONE EYES WIDE OPEN MM-HMM
UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A VALUABLE ASSET THAT'S UTILIZED AND WE'RE JUST HONESTLY TRYING TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN AND WORK AROUND THAT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE WHAT WE THINK IS STILL A GOOD PROJECT.
IS IT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IS IT, IS IT LIKE PER SE THE IDEAL SOLUTION? MAYBE NOT IN ALL ASPECTS OF IT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS UTILIZE WHAT WE HAVE AND, AND COME UP WITH A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THAT.
I, I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, IS AS GOOD AS YOU CAN DO WITHOUT COMPLETELY REMOVING EVERYTHING AND KIND OF ADDING, UH, OBVIOUSLY COST, BUT TIME AND MORE DISRUPTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT ON THE CAMPUS.
UM, THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL WHAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, REALLY TRYING TO DO.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? I DID JUST WANNA TOUCH ON, I CAN GET A VOTE.
I DO WANT TO STATE ON THE RECORD THAT, YOU KNOW, MY POSITION AS DEPUTY PLANNING COMMISSIONER CERTAINLY CAN APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE REDUCED DISTURBANCES PARTICULARLY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE BUFFER, BOTH THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE BUFFER AS WELL AS TO STEEP SLOPES.
UM, SO CERTAINLY AN IMPROVEMENT THERE, AND THAT'S CERTAINLY APPRECIATED.
UM, BUT ONE THING WE DIDN'T REALLY GET TO TOUCH ON, MAYBE WE WERE GONNA GET THERE, BUT I GUESS I'LL GET THERE NOW, IS SOUTH OF, UM, THE PROPOSED BUILDING IS WHAT AT LEAST PREVIOUSLY WAS REFERRED TO AS TEMPORARY PARKING LOT 10, I BELIEVE.
AND IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WAS, UM, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND HAS BEEN UTILIZED, I BELIEVE, FOR CONTRACTOR PARKING AND STAGING.
UM, EVEN THE AREA PRIOR TO THAT WAS USED MAYBE IN CONNECTION WITH NEW YORK STATE WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN A DISTURBED AREA.
UM, BASED ON THE REDUCTION IN THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING COMING FROM JUST OVER 200 DOWN TO NOW 54.
AND IN THE PRIOR PROPOSED IT WAS JUST OVER 200 AND YOU MAY HAVE BEEN TWO OR FOUR SPACES GREATER THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED.
NOW YOU'RE ABOUT 150 SPACES MORE THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED UNDER OUR CODE.
AND I JUST WANTED THIS BOARD TO UNDERSTAND FROM YOU WHY THAT AREA WOULDN'T BE REMOVED AND RESTORED MUCH LIKE THE GREEN AREA, UM, BEING THAT THEY WERE BOTH LABELED AND APPROVED AS TEMPORARY PARKING AREAS.
UM, I THINK, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO, UM, AGAIN, HAVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, REALIZING WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO UTILIZE IT.
UM, THE, THE PARKING LOT SOUTH OF THE BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, IS, WAS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT OF AS A TEMPORARY LOT.
HOWEVER, UM, THERE WAS A THOUGHT OF MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NEED IT LONGER THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMEFRAME WAS, BUT IT WAS BUILT, UM, AS YOU WOULD BUILD A PERMANENT LOT.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, THE PAVEMENT, THE CURBS, THE DRAINAGE, EVERYTHING LIGHTING, IT'S ALL AS YOU WOULD BUILD A PERMANENT LOT.
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WE THINK IT'S A, A, AGAIN, LIKE A VALUABLE ASSET THAT WE DO U YOU KNOW, THEY DO UTILIZE IT.AND AGAIN, KIND OF LIKE THE ROADWAY, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO UTILIZE IT.
UM, NOW DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING AND THIS PROJECT, IT'S GONNA SERVE A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE ALL THE STAGING AND LAY DOWN AREA AND ALL THE CONTRACTORS ARE GONNA PARK THAT ARE BUILDING THIS BUILDING, UM, WHILE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND THEN SOME OF THE DISPLACED PARKING WHERE THE CONTRACTORS CURRENTLY PARK IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING WOULD UTILIZE THAT WHILE THEY'RE BUILDING OUT THE REST OF THE CAMPUS.
SO IT'S GOT SOME, UH, NEAR FUTURE USE LIKE THAT.
BUT THEN LONG-TERM USE WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED PER THE CODE.
UM, BUT UH, IT COULD PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES FOR REGENERON TO, UM, UH, DISPLACE OTHER CONTRACTORS, UH, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CAMPUS IF THERE ARE OTHER PROPOSED BUILDINGS BUILT IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE PARKING LOT WAS BUILT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD, UH, ASSET TO HAVE AND IT HAS DRAINAGE, IT HAS LIGHTING, IT HAS, WE'RE PROPOSING LANDSCAPING AROUND IT, AND WITHIN IT, WE'D JUST LIKE TO KEEP IT BECAUSE IT IS, IT'S USEFUL TO HAVE, UM, IT'S KIND OF A, A, YOU KNOW, A, A GOOD THING TO HAVE FOR FLEXIBILITY.
WHAT DID YOU, WHAT DO YOU, OH, SORRY, IF I MAY JUST PIGGYBACK OFF THAT, SO, OR RESPOND TO THAT.
SO, UM, I CAN DEFINITELY APPRECIATE AND UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IT BEING VALUABLE FOR PURPOSES OF CON UH, CONTRACTOR STAGING STORAGE AND CONTRACTOR PARKING DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CREATE A NEW AREA FOR THAT, RIGHT.
UM, TYPICALLY WE LIKE TO SEE ON THE PLANS WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION STAGING AND CONTRACTOR PARKING WILL BE IN CONNECTION WITH LIKE A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TYPE.
SO IF IT IS IDENTIFIED AS THE LOCATION, THEN WE WOULD WANT TO SEE THAT ON THE PLAN.
UM, BUT THINKING SO I CAN COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT THINKING LONGER TERM AFTER THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUILD OUT TIME PERIOD FOR THIS TYPE OF BUILDING IS.
IT, IT'S A COUPLE OF YEARS OR HOWEVER LONG IT MIGHT BE, BUT IN THE POST-DEVELOPMENT SCENARIO WHERE THIS BUILDING'S CONSTRUCTED, THE CONTRACTORS AND STAGING AND STORAGE IS NO LONGER NECESSARY IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING.
I JUST SEE THIS LOT AS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A REMOTE LOT.
NOW IT'S CUT OFF FROM THE REST OF THE CAMPUS BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY IN THE CORNER AND IN THE SOUTH.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROSPECTS ARE FOR UTILIZING THAT DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'LL LET THE BOARD ASK YOU, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS SHOWN AGAIN AND APPROVED AS A TEMPORARY LOT TO CONSIDER MAYBE POST-CONSTRUCTION, REMOVING THAT AND RESTORING IT AS WAS PREVIOUSLY ENVISIONED.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS ONGOING CONSTRUCTION HERE OF A MILLION SQUARE FEET.
ON THE LOOP ROAD PORTION ON THE SOUTH PORTION OF THIS SITE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S EIGHT BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE APPROVALS FOR OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE YEARS TO CONSTRUCT.
SO TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY OF THIS AVAILABLE PARKING FOR CONTRACTORS WHO ARE COMING TO THE SITE, IT'S, IT, IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE SO THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO BE ELSEWHERE AND THEY DON'T NEED TO PARK ELSEWHERE IF WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM ON OUR SITE, ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.
WITH THE BOARD, WE DO, REGENERON DOES HAVE AN APPROVAL FOR, UM, SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF NEW, UH, BUILDINGS ON THE MOUNT PLEASANT CAMPUS SIDE.
SO JUST, THEY'RE ALWAYS THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, THEY, AND THEY MAY NOT BUILD THAT, BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS THINKING OF, YOU KNOW, WAYS TO EXPAND AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST THINKING, WELL, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN WE HAVE TO BUILD THOSE BUILDINGS ON THAT SIDE OF THE CAMPUS? WHERE DO THE PEOPLE PARK THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING THERE OR THE CONTRACTORS? IT'S JUST A GOOD, YOU KNOW, A BACKUP OF PARKING TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, SNOW STORAGE, TRAILER STORAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, STORING GENERATORS ON TRAILERS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PUT HERE FOR A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, IT'S, YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S A VALUE.
IT, LIKE, IT'S JUST A VALUABLE ASSET.
YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU KNOW, REGENERON IS, IS A TERRIFIC SUCCESS STORY.
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REPRESENTING THEM, THEY HAD 30 EMPLOYEES.UM, AND THEY'VE GROWN ON THIS SITE AND IN INCREDIBLE WAY ON BOTH SIDES OF, YOU KNOW, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG AND IN THE TOWN OF MOUNT PLEASANT.
WE WANT THEM TO GROW, WE WANT THEM TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO CALL GREENBERG THEIR HEADQUARTERS.
UM, I THINK THAT TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, ALLOWS THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO CONTINUE THEIR GROWTH ON THE SITE.
YEAH, I MEAN, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY CALL TERRYTOWN THEIR HEADQUARTERS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
I, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY WERE TO, TO HIGHLIGHT THEIR HEADQUARTERS IN GREENBURG
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS LISTED ON THE APPROVED, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAN AS TEMPORARY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AARON WAS SAYING WHAT DID, WHAT DID, WHAT WAS THE EXPECTATION? WHAT DID TEMPORARY MEAN? RIGHT.
I THINK WE CONTEMPLATED FIVE TO 10 YEARS ON THE TEMPORARY.
HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE TOWN'S REGULATIONS, WE WERE REQUIRED TO CONSTRUCT THEM AS IF THEY WERE PERMANENT.
WE COULDN'T CONSTRUCT ANYTHING THAT WAS ANY SORT OF TEMPORARY, COULDN'T BE GRAVEL.
THERE HAD TO BE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT INSTALLED, ALL KINDS OF STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES, CURBING, AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS.
SO EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE CONTEMPLATED AS BEING TEMPORARY OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS, WE HAD TO CONSTRUCT THEM AS IF THEY WERE PERMANENT.
BUT IT WAS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE REMOVED UNLESS YOU CAME IN AND GOT AN APPROVAL.
WE WERE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED THAT
JUST YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
UM, JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF LOTS ACROSS THE CAMPUS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS TEMPORARY.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A NUMBER THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS PERMANENT, AND THERE'S A SIX STORY, YOU KNOW, PARKING GARAGE THAT, UH, WAS CONSTRUCTED, APPROVED BY THE TOWN CURRENTLY OPERATIONAL, WHICH IS GREAT.
UM, AND REDUCES THE OVERALL TOTAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ACROSS THE SITE.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THERE NOW HAVE BEEN, UM, AT LEAST ONE AND I THINK MORE THAN ONE REQUEST TO CONVERT TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS INTO PERMANENT LOTS.
I BELIEVE LOT 13 IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM.
UM, SO I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WAS KIND OF AN OFFER OR, YOU KNOW, UM, IDENTIFIED AS SOMETHING THAT COULD TAKE PLACE IF YOU CAME BACK AND YOU ARE PURSUING THAT IN THAT CASE.
SO JUST WANTED THIS BOARD TO BE AWARE OF, OF THAT.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT THE PLAN AND I LOOK AT WHERE THAT PARKING LOT IS, AND YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T GO NEAR THE BUFFER, ALL RIGHT? SO YOU'RE HA GONNA HAVE TO, YOU'D HAVE 200 AND SOMETHING PARKING SPACES, CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTIONS, VEHICLES, UH, STAGING, AND THEY ALL HAVE TO SQUEEZE ALONG THE SOUTH.
THE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT BUILDING.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA TOUCH THE BUFFER, I ASSUME.
AND I ASSUME THAT WHOLE AREA IS VERY VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC THAT THAT'S RIGHT ON THE BORDERLINE WITH, UH, NINE A AND OLD TARRYTOWN ROAD.
THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF VEGETATION ALONG THAT PROPERTY LINE.
IF YOU WERE DRIVING ALONG, IT'S VISIBLE.
UH, ARE YOU SAYING THE VIEW FROM THE MAIN ROAD? YEAH.
OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD TO THE, WHERE THE BUILDING IS PROPOSED? NO, I'M JUST TALKING WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS.
LOT 10 LOOKS LIKE IT'S RIGHT ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE CORNER.
OH, THE, SORRY, THE, THE SOUTH END, THE BOTTOM LOT THERE.
THE 200 AND SOMETHING SPACES TEMPORARY.
UM, NO, THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A VEGETATED BUFFER THERE.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING SOME TREES TO SUPPLEMENT IT.
UM, THERE'S, IN THE SUMMER YOU CAN'T SEE THE PARKING LOT.
IN THE WINTER WHEN THE LEAVES ARE OFF THE TREES THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S THE PARKING LOT'S ACTUALLY, UH, ABOVE THE ROAD.
SO YOU REALLY DON'T, YOU'RE KINDA LOOKING UP AT, AT TREES AND, AND VEGETATION.
UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT, I'VE DRIVEN BY THERE MANY TIMES.
IT'S DEFINITELY, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO YOU THAT YOU WOULD NOTICE IT UNLESS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IT.
UM, WITH THE ADDITIONAL SCREENING PROPOSED, YOU INDICATED THAT CURRENTLY IT'S, UH, PRIMARILY DECIDUOUS LANDSCAPING,
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WHERE THE LEAVES ARE OFF FOR SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, ROUGHLY, AND ON AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN SEE IT.IS THE ADDITIONAL SCREENING THAT'S PROPOSED GONNA BE EVERGREEN IN NATURE TO TRY AND BREAK THINGS UP, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAR ROUND? AND IF NOT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED? I BELIEVE IT'S A MIXTURE OF EVERGREEN IN DECIDUOUS, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY GO BACK AND LOOK AND, AND WORK WITH YOU ON THE DETAILS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, MA MAKING SCREENING, UH, AS BEST AS POSSIBLE THERE.
UM, I THINK THE TOPOGRAPHY HELPS IT A LOT.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LIKE A, A, A SITE, YOU KNOW, A MEETING WHERE WE COULD WALK THROUGH TOGETHER, UH, YOU KNOW, DURING CONSTRUCTION AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, LOCATE THE TREES.
THAT'S SOMETHING A LOT OF TIMES.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED WITH YOU GUYS IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF THE, THE STAFF TO, YOU KNOW, BEST LOCATE TREES AND, AND VIEW SHEDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK ULTIMATELY IF YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE CAMPUS NOW AND, AND YOU GUYS ARE PROBABLY ALL DRIVEN BY IT, REGENERON DOES A GOOD JOB WITH REALLY SCREENING AS BEST AS THEY CAN.
THIS ONE'S NOT A PROPOSED LARGE BUILDING, BUT THE OTHER ONES ARE BIG.
THERE IS EQUIPMENT AND THEY ALWAYS PUT BERMS AND, AND LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T REALLY WANNA LOOK AT SOME OF THIS STUFF SOMETIMES TOO.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A REALLY NICE CAMPUS.
THERE IS A LOT OF LANDSCAPING ON THE CAMPUS MM-HMM
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING A FEW HUNDRED TREES.
I MEAN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, SCREEN AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE BUILDING AS YOU COULD SEE ON THE PLAN.
UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FILL THAT VOID BETWEEN THE ROAD.
CAN I, I GUESS TO TO YOUR PREVIOUS POINT ABOUT IT NOT BEING A LARGE BUILDING, UM, IS IT BEING BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE A SECOND STORY AT ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE? OR IS THIS, THIS IS IT.
AND I THINK THAT WAS A SIMILAR QUESTION FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
SAME RESPONSE? YEAH, GOOD QUESTION.
WITH RESPECT TO THE 100 PLUS, BLESS YOU, PLANTINGS OR TREES GOING BACK IN, UM, DOES THAT FIGURE INCLUDE TREES THAT ARE NOW BEING PROPOSED AS PART OF THE MANDATORY RESTORATION FOR REMOVING THE TEMPORARY LOT? OR IS IT, EVEN IF THE TEMPORARY LOT WASN'T BEING REMOVED, IT'S A HUNDRED ADDITIONAL TREES? I JUST WANTED TO DIFFERENTIATE BECAUSE THE TEMPORARY LOT RESTORATION WAS A SEPARATE PLAN.
YOU MAY BE SHOWING IT ON THIS PLAN, SO IT, YOU KNOW, INFLATES THE NUMBER, BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE, THE DIFFERENCE IS? UH, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT THE, UH, TREE REPLACEMENT VALUE CALCULATIONS YES.
FOR WHEN WE REMOVED LOT 14 AND LOT 10 AND WHAT WE'RE REMOVING FOR BUILDING 18.
AND WE COMBINED THEM ALL INTO ONE CALCULATION FOR TREE REPLACEMENT VALUE.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING MORE TREES OR, YOU KNOW, A GREATER ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TREES TO BE.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD AMOUNT ABOVE WHAT THE TREE REPLACEMENT VALUE IS.
SO YEAH, WE, WE MADE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T LOSING THE SITE OF THE FACT THAT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA RESTORE THE LOTS, AS ORIGINALLY THOUGHT, YOU STILL HAVE TO PLANT ALL THE TREES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PLANTED, SO.
IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE WE, WE DIDN'T, WE DEFINITELY THOUGHT OF THAT.
SO, SO IT IS NOW EIGHT 20 AND I KNOW WE HAVE A, A NUMBER OF OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, SO IF THERE ARE FINAL QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL SHARE SOME THOUGHTS ON NEXT STEPS.
CAN I JUST ASK, SO THIS AREA IS LIKE THE EXTREME, I GUESS, NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
WHAT, WHAT KIND OF TRUCKS, IF, IF YOU HAD CONSTRUCTION STAGE IN THERE, WHAT KIND OF TRUCKS ARE GONNA BE COMING IN AND WHERE ARE THEY COMING IN FROM AND WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THOSE ROADS? YOU KNOW, JUST SIZE WISE.
SO CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TO BUILD THIS PROJECT.
WELL, THAT WAS I GUESS, ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THIS PARKING LOT, RIGHT.
TO BE A STAGING AREA FOR THE FOUR STORY BUILDING.
SO, UH, LET ME GO TO, WELL, IT'S ONLY A ONE STORY, BUT I KNOW, BUT, BUT OKAY.
SO YOU ARE, BECAUSE YOU WERE ALSO TALKING ABOUT USING IT FOR POTENTIALLY OTHER PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS YOU'D LIKE TO KEEP IT.
SO WHAT WE WERE THINKING WHEN I WAS SAYING ABOUT UTILIZING THIS PARKING LOT FOR FUTURE BUILDINGS IN OR FUTURE PROJECTS IN THE, IN THE FUTURE, UM, I WAS THINKING NOT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES OF THOSE PROJECTS.
'CAUSE THOSE MIGHT BE TOTALLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAMPUS.
WE'RE JUST THINKING WHEN YOU REMOVE, UH, ANOTHER PARKING LOT SOMEWHERE ELSE ON NORTH CAMPUS TO BUILD A BUILDING THERE, WHERE ARE ALL THOSE PEOPLE GONNA
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PARK THAT USED TO PARK IN THAT PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, TO, IT'S ALL THE DISPLACED PARKING, BUT ISN'T THAT REALLY FAR AWAY FROM WHEREVER THAT OTHER BUILD? OH, THERE'S, I MEAN, IS THAT REALLY FEASIBLE? IT, IT PROBABLY NOT FOR THE PERSON WHO WORKS IN THE BUILDING RIGHT THERE, BUT FOR THE CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE TO BUILD THE NEW BUILDING, IT'S DEFINITELY FEASIBLE.'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
AND REGENERON EVEN OFFERS SHUTTLES TO GO FROM THE PARKING LOTS TO THE LOCATION LOCATIONS OF WHERE CONTRACTORS ARE BUILDING THE NEW BUILDINGS.
UM, IT'S, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE DIRECT REASON, BUT IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT PARKING LOT, UM, TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
UM, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE ROAD THAT EXISTS THERE NOW? THE, THE, THE WIDTH, IF YOU WERE GOING UP FROM THAT PARKING LOT AND GETTING INTO THE LOOP THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BACK INTO THE MAIN CAMPUS, SO THE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT AS YOU GO LIO SORT OF WESTWARD FROM THE PARKING LOT CAMPUS, THE, THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY SIZE? YEAH.
AND HOW, HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WIDE IS THAT ROAD? I THINK IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A 22 FOOT WIDE ROAD.
I HAVE TO VERIFY WHAT IT'S, IT'S PER TOWN CODE FOR THE DRIVEWAYS.
THAT'S NORMALLY I WOULD BE MORE SUITABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, AUTOMOBILES THAN TWO TRUCKS COMING BACK AND FORTH.
IT'S, IT, IT'S, YES, IT'S SUITABLE FOR AUTOMOBILE TRAFFIC.
UM, BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S BUILT PER TOWN STANDARDS.
UM, Y THE IDEA IS YOU WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TWO CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THIS ROAD HERE.
NOW, IF THIS, IF THIS PROJECT'S APPROVED AND BUILT, YOU WOULD HAVE MAYBE TWO VANS OR BOX TRUCKS, ONE COMING DOWN FROM THE BUILDING, 18 TO GO TO CAMPUS AND ONE COMING UP AT THE SAME TIME.
SO YOU'D RUN INTO THAT SCENARIO, I'M SURE.
UM, BUT WE DID LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF THE, THE TRUCK ROUTING, UM, WITH, WITH TRUCK TURNING TEMPLATES AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN MAKE THOSE TURNS.
UM, WE'VE ALSO PROPOSED ALONG THAT ROUTE HERE, UM, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO USE, THERE'S ALL THIS PARKING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE AND STRIPE SO THAT THOSE TRUCKS HAVE THAT ABILITY TO MANEUVER BETTER THROUGH THAT ROUTE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST A 22 FOOT WIDE AISLE WITH PARKING ON BOTH ENDS AS YOU'RE DRIVING.
YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU'RE 22 FEET PLUS YOU'RE 18 AND YOU'RE 18.
SO IT'S A LONG, IT'S A WIDE PIECE OF EXISTING PAVEMENT THAT WE ARE UTILIZING FOR TRUCKS TO MAKE THOSE TURNS.
AND THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE, THOSE 18 FEET FOOT AREAS WOULD BE PAVED.
AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY PAVED NOW, AND WE WOULD LEAVE THEM PAVED, BUT WE WOULD STRIPE THEM IN TERMS OF LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE CROSS HATCHING WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, NOT TO PARK THERE AND GO THERE.
OTHER THAN CONSTRUCTION RELATED EQUIPMENT, WOULD THIS, WOULD THAT PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, BE RESTRICTED FROM ANY PUBLIC ACCESS? IN OTHER WORDS, THE INTERNAL STREETS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, IN, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU WERE SAYING THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASICALLY REGENERON PEOPLE DRIVING CARS OR BOX STROKES RIGHT.
TO GET, YOU KNOW, GOODS AND PEOPLE AROUND.
WOULD THAT AREA BE, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTED FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION STAGING AND STORAGE? IT, IT WOULD BE, WELL, AND IT'S PERMANENT.
THERE'S, WE ARE PROPOSING A, A LIFT, A LIFT GATE, IF YOU COULD SEE MY CURSOR AT THE SORT OF SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING MM-HMM
SO THAT YOU CAN'T, UNLESS YOU, UNLESS YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE WHO HAS AN ACCESS, YOU KNOW, PASS ON YOUR CAR, YOU COULD, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO JUST DRIVE IN HERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DRIVE DOWN ALONGSIDE THE BUILDING AND CUT THROUGH AND GET TO CAMPUS UNLESS YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE.
YOU'D HAVE TO USE THE MAIN ENTRY.
YOU'D HAVE TO USE WHAT YOU WOULD USE TODAY.
YOU'D, YOU'D GO ONTO OLD SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, UM, AND ENTER THE MAIN THANK YOU ROUTE IN TERMS OF WHAT, WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD THE PURPLE AREA, THE ROADWAY THAT YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, ABOUT WHETHER WE WERE GONNA RECONFIGURE IT OR NOT.
WHAT ABOUT THAT ROADWAY, WHICH IS USING, YOU KNOW, IS THAT RESTRICTED ONLY TO REGENERON PEOPLE THAT YES.
THAT ONLY ACCESSIBLE THROUGH THAT? CURRENTLY IT'S NOT, CURRENTLY IT'S A PARKING LOT AND THE CONTRACTORS COME INTO THE CAMPUS, HOWEVER THEY GET THERE.
UM, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO PARK IN THIS AREA, AND THEN THEY WALK DOWN TO WHATEVER BUILDING THEY'RE WORKING ON.
UM, THERE'S NO GATES, UM, IN TERMS OF FOR VEHICLE MM-HMM
UM, OR PEDESTRIAN, UM, IN THE PER, IN THE FU IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION, WE WOULD PUT THE LIFT GATES ACROSS THAT ROADWAY WHERE YOU COULDN'T DRIVE YOUR CAR THERE.
SO YOU'D BE, YOU'D ONLY BE RESTRICTED TO UP ON THE TOP PART OF THE SOUTH OF THE, THE B 18 BUILDING.
THAT'S ALL YOU'D BE ABLE TO GO.
SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DRIVE DOWN THAT ROUTE.
SO THAT ALSO KIND OF HELPS WITH SAFETY, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT
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WOULD BE DRIVING THAT ROUTE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WORK THERE.SO THEY KNOW THE TURNS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE A COMMUTER, YOU JUST KIND OF KNOW THE ROAD BETTER MM-HMM
THAN MAYBE SOMEONE WHO GOT LOST AND THEY'RE NOT SURE.
AND, YOU KNOW, NOW THEY'RE DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.
SO THE, THE IDEA WAS TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, LET THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE THERE, BE THERE, AND THAT'S REALLY IT.
SO IT'S GETTING CLOSE TO EIGHT 30.
I KNOW MS. ROBINSON HAS BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY WITH, WITH ONE FINAL QUESTION.
10, I BELIEVE A TEMPORARY LOT.
DO EMPLOYEES CURRENTLY PARKING LOT, LOT REGENERON EMPLOYEES? YES.
I THINK IT'S CONTRACTORS ONLY.
WITH THE NEW BUILDING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD HAS, UM, SIDEWALKS, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE CONSIDERING TO CONNECT THE SIDEWALKS THAT YOU HAVE ON GRASSLANDS TO O SAW MILL RIVER ROAD? UH, THERE, SO THERE ARE, UH, I KNOW THERE'S NOT A SIDEWALK THERE NOW, BUT AS PART OF THE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED FOR THE LUBE ROAD PROJECT, UH, REGENERON REQUIRED TO BUILD A SIDEWALK FROM THE ROUNDABOUT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM END OF THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROPERTY.
UM, IT WAS A REQUIREMENT BY THE PLANNING BOARD IN 2016.
THEY, THEY BUILT SOME OF THAT SIDEWALK.
I THINK THEY STOPPED NORTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT.
AND THE NEXT PHASE, WHEN THEY DO THAT NEXT PHASE OF OFFSITE WORK, WHICH WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET APPROVED BY THE DOT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BUILD THAT SIDEWALK AND THAT, I THINK WE SHOW THAT ON THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
BUT IT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE, NOT IN, NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY, IT WAS REQUIRED UNDER THE LOOP ROAD.
SO THERE'LL BE A, THERE WILL BE A SIDEWALK.
SO IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UM, I WOULD ASK BOARD MEMBERS TO DIRECT THEM TO DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, UH, AND, AND THEY WILL BE SHARED WITH THE APPLICANT.
I I WOULD STILL LIKE TO JUST UNDERSTAND A, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, THE, THE DISTURBANCE AND, AND THE GRADING THAT WOULD NEED WOULD BE NEEDED.
UM, IF, IF YOU WERE TO CONSIDER THE, THE SHORT, YOU KNOW, CUTTING THE CORNER, UM, OF THE, THE RED RED LINE.
UM, AND SO IF YOU COULD PROVIDE A DISTURBANCE AND GRADING COMPARISON, UM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, AND I THINK IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE SHOWED YOU WHAT THE EXISTING RETAINING WALLS LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL.
IF, IF YOU CAN SHOW IMAGES, UM, WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, ONE MOTION TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
UM, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ISSUE, UH, A NO OBJECTION TO THE TOWN BOARD, UH, ACTING AS LEAD AGENCY, UM, FROM THEIR NOTICE OF INTENT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TO SEE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 0 6, UH, KINDRED MASON, LLC AT 1440 SAW RIVER ROAD IN PO.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE AN APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE HERE, AND WE HAVE MR. ESCALADES ON ZOOM.
AND IF YOU CAN JUST STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME FOR NAMES FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE SOLE MEMBER OF KINDRED MAISON, LLC.
UM, MY NAME IS ANTHONY GRANDE.
AND, UH, MR. ES, MR. ESCALADES, WE HAVE ON ZOOM.
ONCE SAID, THANK GOD MY DAUGHTER.
ANYWAY, UM, THE REASON WHY WE ARE MEETING, NOT OTHER THAN I WANNA CELEBRATE THAT I SURVIVED MY OPERATION AND I'M BACK FORCED.
AND THE DOCTOR SAID YOU SUFFERED THAT BECAUSE YOU WENT IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD TOO MANY TIMES AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHY I WENT THERE.
YOU'RE NOT LAUGHING, SO I BETTER CONTINUE.
THE, THE PROPOSAL HERE IS FOR, UH, A SINGLE HOUSE IN WHAT I LIKE TO CALL A DOUBLE LOT.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS IN AN AREA THAT ALLOWS REASONABLY, UH, WELL AND COMFORTABLY WELL, THE USE OF TWO LOTS, WHICH IN FACT WAS DESIGNED FOR THAT PROPERTY, UM, THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.
BUT THE, THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME, UM, DECIDED NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT.
UM, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, UH, THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED, UM, BY THIS YOUNG COUPLE IN FRONT OF YOU.
AND THEY, UH, UH, WE WALKED IT, WE ASKED OURSELVES ALL KINDS OF
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QUESTIONS.WE WENT THROUGH THE, UH, PROGRAMMING PHASE THAT THEY WOULD, UH, BE LIKE TO SATISFY THE FAMILY.
THEY'RE UNITING TWO FAMILIES TOGETHER, A LOT OF GRANDCHILDREN.
AND THEY FELL IN LOVE WITH THE FACT THAT THE PROPERTY WAS, WAS GRACIOUS.
AND ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT BEGAN TO, UH, UH, CREATE THE, UH, THE, THE REASON FOR THE DESIGN WAS THAT THEY NEEDED A POOL.
I TRIED TO CONVINCE THEM, UH, OUT OF IT, UM, BUT THEY WERE NOT HAVING IT.
THEY WANTED THE POOL AND IT WAS A CENTER FOR ALL THE CHILDREN, THE GRANDCHILDREN, AND IT KIND OF MADE SENSE.
UM, AND SO THEREFORE, ONCE WE HAD THE, THE LOCATION OF THE MAIN ELEMENTS, THEN WE LOOKED FOR THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT NEEDED TO BE SATISFIED IN ORDER TO GET THE PROPER DESIGN.
THE ACCESS, OF COURSE, BECAME THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION SINCE IT WAS CONTROLLED THROUGH A DLT SLIVER OF PROPERTY.
IT'S A PRETTY WIDE, UH, ALMOST, I BELIEVE 80 FEET FROM MEMORY.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS DRAWING, YOU'RE ENTERING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE AND YOU'RE TRAVELING UP TO A PLATEAU THAT IS CREATED ITS FORM IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE GARAGES, WHICH IS THAT FIRST RECTANGULAR ELEMENT THAT YOU SEE TO THE, RIGHT NOW, AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT, YOU MAKE A DECISION, YOU GET OUT OF THE CAR, AND THEN YOU CAN WALK UP, UH, A SERIES OF STEPS, UH, THROUGH A PIAZZA, AND YOU ENTER THE HOUSE AT ITS LOWEST LEVEL.
NOW, WE COULD BE TEMPTED TO SAY THAT THAT IS THE BASEMENT LEVEL, UM, AND TECHNICALLY IT IS, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY ONCE YOU SEE THE DRAWINGS AND ONCE YOU SEE HOW IT WAS TREATED.
AND THE REASON WHY IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY IS BECAUSE AS YOU, AS YOU TRAVEL INWARD TO THE MAIN, UH, ARROW PORTION OF THE HOUSE, YOU ALSO HAVE A, A, UH, A A THROUGH SPACE UNDERNEATH THAT LONG RECTANGLE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THAT HAS A SERIES OF STEPS THAT BRINGS YOU, UH, THROUGH AN OPEN CORRIDOR INTO THE ELEVATION OF THE SECOND PLATEAU, WHICH IS THE PLATEAU OF THE POOL.
SO WE HAVE PLATEAU NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS THE RECEIVING PLATEAU OF THE GARAGE ELEVATION.
YOU GO UP, UP APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET, AS I JUST DESCRIBED, AND YOU GET TO THE PLATEAU WHERE THE POOL IS.
NOW, OF COURSE, ONCE YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, YOU NEED TO, UH, RECONTOUR, UM, OF THE, UH, THE, THE, THE PROPERTY WITH RESPECT TO THE FRONT.
UM, UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DRAWINGS HERE, THERE, THERE, THERE'S ONE THAT'S COLORED.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE INCLUDED IT.
UM, BUT WE NOW HAVE TO DECIDE TO BRING THE CAR UP TO THE FIRST PLATEAU, BRING PEOPLE INTO THE HOUSE, AND ALLOW THE, THE MOVEMENT FROM THROUGH THE HOUSE TO THE POOL AREA.
IN DOING SO, BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, RIDDLED WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF SLOPES, YOU THEN REALIZE THAT YOU ARE INTO BUILDING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WALLS.
UM, WELL, HERE IS, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE SECTION, UM, THAT'S THE ELEVATION FROM THE FRONT.
UM, THERE, THERE ARE 3D VIEWS THAT ALLOWS YOU, OKAY, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DRAWING AND IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT YOU STOP HERE BECAUSE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE WILL DISCUSSING LATER ARE DICTATED BY THE, THE MATHEMATICS OF THE SO-CALLED AVERAGE GRADE, WHICH IS THAT FIRST LINE THAT YOU SEE, AND THE LOCATION OF THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRST FLOOR.
AND WITH RESPECT TO THE UPPER LINE, WHICH IS THE MID ATTIC ELEVATION POINT.
SO IF YOU, AGAIN, TO REPEAT, UH, SO THAT WHEN WE SAY IT LATER, YOU CAN VISUALIZE THIS PORTION, THAT LOWER LINE, UH, THAT ONE.
AND THAT REPRESENTS THE AVERAGE GRADE ELEVATION.
IN OTHER WORDS, MATHEMATICALLY, WHEN YOU TAKE AN AVERAGE GRADE OF THE FRONT DORE, THE SIDE, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE LEFT SIDE, WHEN YOU MATHEMATIZE THAT, YOU GET END UP WITH AN ELEVATION NUMBER, WHICH TRANSLATES INTO THAT HORIZONTAL PLANE.
SO YOU HAVE THIS HORIZONTAL PLANE, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IT GIVES YOU THE AVERAGE GRADE.
THEN YOU HAVE THIS, THE NEXT LINE THAT YOU SEE ABOVE THAT REPRESENTS THE FINISH FIRST FLOOR.
THAT IS WHERE YOU WALK ON THE PLYWOOD OF THE FIRST FLOOR.
WE, WE ARE LABELING THIS HOUSE, OF COURSE, LOWER LEVEL.
YOU CAN CALL THIS THE GARAGE LEVEL.
BUT IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT, THERE ARE A FEW STEPS THAT BRING YOU TO THE TRUE BASEMENT LEVEL, UH, WHICH YOU CAN SEE LATER FROM THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UH, THAT PLATEAU THAT YOU SEE, THE LOWEST DOCKET LINE, THAT IS THE FIRST ELEVATION PLATEAU THAT IS DICTATED BY THE GRADE THAT WE MUST MEET IN ORDER TO ENTER THE PROPERTY FROM RULE NINE A.
SO NOW THE, THE, THE LINE THAT REPRESENTS THE FIRST FLOOR, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE AVERAGE GRADE LINE, IF, IF THAT DISTANCE, WHICH I HAVEN'T, UH, LABEL, THERE EX EXCEEDS SIX FEET, THEN
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THE HOUSE HAS TO BE LABELED A THREE STORY BECAUSE IT IS NOT SIX FEET OR BIGGER.THIS IS A TWO AND A HALF STORY DEFINITION.
NOW THAT IS OF COURSE, UH, UH, A DEFINITION FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, FROM THE CODE OF GREENBURG.
I, I, I SUBMITTED DRAWINGS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE SO OVERWHELMED WITH APPLICATIONS.
AND THERE'S ONE EXCELLENT YOUNG MAN TRYING TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
I DON'T THINK I, I DID NOT CONVERSE WITH HIM BEFORE I WENT TO THE OPERATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT YET, BUT I'M ASSUMING NOT, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO MEMOS IN THE RECORD, UH, BEFORE THIS MEETING.
UM, ANYWAY, MR. ES, CAN I, CAN I JUMP IN JUST FOR A MOMENT AND SURE.
YOU KNOW, UM, I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT A STATEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU HAD SURGERY, SO MAYBE YOU DID NOT SEE IT, BUT THERE WAS A MEMO ISSUED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, UM, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, MAY 12TH.
AND, UM, I CAN RECITE THAT FOR THIS BOARD BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE SOME VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT.
ARE WE WORRIED THAT I, I, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT MEMO? YOU DID? YES.
I, I SUBMITTED THESE DRAWINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE AN UPDATED MEMO YET.
WHAT DATE, IF YOU COULD PLEASE, WHAT DATE WAS THE NEW PLAN SUBMITTED? I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A WEEK AFTER YOUR MEMO.
BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS EASILY ADDRESSED.
WE WILL CHECK IN WITH OUR, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN INTRODUCTORY AND AN INITIAL WORK SESSION OF THE BOARD IS, I GUESS MY, I GUESS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ASK IS BASED ON YOUR SUBMISSION FROM APPROXIMATELY MID-MAY, IS IT THE APPLICANT'S BELIEF THAT, UH, WITH THE REVISIONS THERE ARE NO VARIANCES REQUIRED IN CONNECTION WITH THE NO, NO, NO.
THERE ARE THREE VARIANCE, AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED, AND THREE OF THE THREE OF THEM WERE AS FOLLOWS.
THE LOCATION OF THE POOL RIGHT.
UH, WAS NOT IN THE REAR AS REQUIRED BY CODE.
UH, FOR POTENTIAL, UM, THAT WE CANNOT, WE HAVE TO OBTAIN A VARIANCE FOR THAT.
WE ARE, WE CANNOT RELOCATE THE POOL.
IT JUST DISFIGURES UH, THE LOGISTICS, THE PROGRAMMING, UH, ALL THE, THE REASONS WHY THE FAMILY LIKED THE LOT.
'CAUSE EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND THE POOL.
THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL AND, AND WITH THE, WITH THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL AND WE'RE SUCCESSFUL, FINE.
BUT THAT'S, UH, UH, AND THAT, THAT WAS ONE OF THREE.
THE SECOND ONE IS THE ONE I MENTIONED JUST BEFORE, WHERE THE HOUSE WAS DEFINED VERY QUICKLY BY THEM.
THEY, THEY WERE PUSHED INTO A VERY QUICK REVIEW AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAD THE INFORMATION THAT I GAVE THEM SUBSEQUENTLY.
SO, UM, THAT RELATES TO THE STORIES, THE TWO AND A HALF VERSUS THE THREE.
SO, SO HAS THE, HAVE THE PLANS BEEN MODIFIED OR HAS THE, IN YOUR OPINION, IF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, I UNDERSTAND.
SO, SO, SO IN YOUR OPINION, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS RE RECONSIDERED THEIR PREVIOUS, UH, INTERPRETATION THAT VARIANCES WERE NECESSARY AND THEY, THEY WILL, ONCE THEY SEE THESE DRAWINGS, THEY WILL, OR THEY HAVE, THEY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY DUNNO.
SO WE SUBMITTED IT, WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK.
SO OUR OFFICE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
THERE WOULD BE A SUBSEQUENT MEMO.
UM, TYPICALLY SINCE I THINK WE'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT THAT A, A BARE, AT THE BARE MINIMUM, THE, UH, POOL IN THE SIDE YARD VARIANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED.
IF THAT WAS THE ONLY VARIANCE, UH, THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE WOULD ISSUE A FOLLOW UP MEMORANDUM.
YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE TO REMOVE THE OTHER TWO VARIANCES, WE WOULD'VE A MEMO THAT WOULD SHOW THAT AND REFLECT THAT.
SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THEIR OFFICE.
IF THEY DISAGREE WITH YOU AND STILL BELIEVE THAT THE THREE VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED, UM, THEN THEY'D ISSUE JUST A REVISED MEMO.
YOU KNOW, REITERATING THE FACT THAT IN THEIR, UH, OPINION AND THEIR LOOK AT THE PLANS VERSUS THE CODE, THE THREE VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS BOARD TO KNOW ULTIMATELY WHAT, IF ANY VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED.
UM, BECAUSE THE BOARD WILL ISSUE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE MADE, YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T MADE YOUR APPLICATION TO THE ZONING BOARD YET BECAUSE YOU WERE WAITING ON NO, YOU WERE WAITING ON THE, I ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD'S, UH, COLLEGE.
SO GETTING, WE WILL, UH, WE'LL DISCUSS WITH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW OR MONDAY.
THIS, THIS BUILDING'S CLOSED FRIDAY.
UM, SO WE WILL DO THAT IN SHORT ORDER.
I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU, SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO TOUCH SO MUCH MORE ON THE VARIANCES 'CAUSE THEY'RE SOMEWHAT IN LIMBO.
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JUST A QUICK STATEMENT YOU SEE ALSO, AND THAT'S JUST THE, UM, THE DEFINITION OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING IS MEASURED FROM THAT UPPER LINE, WHICH IS THE MID ATTIC TO THE AVERAGE GRADE.
SO THE AVERAGE GRADE IS THE ELEMENT THAT CONTROLS EVERYTHING.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT DOES NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.
SO I AM SAFELY, WELL BELOW THE 30 FEET THAT IS REQUIRED.
SO I'M SURE WHEN CHASE LOOKS AT THESE NEW DRAWINGS, HE WILL AGREE WITH ME.
BUT THAT, AS YOU SAID, UH, THAT'S AN OPINION TO BE STATED LATER.
AND, AND THE PATH WILL BE FOLLOWED BY THE APPLICANT ACCORDING TO THE ULTIMATE, UH, DESCRIPTION.
I, I WOULD LIKE YOU BEING THAT THIS BOARD HAS APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER, UH, THE STEEP SLOPES PERMIT, THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL ONLY BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, WE HAVE A BIG PROJECT ON ANSWER THIS, AND THEN WE HAVE A THIRD PROJECT.
SO I WANNA KEEP FOCUSED ON THE AREAS BEFORE THIS BOARD.
SO THE LOCATION OF THE HOME WAS PLACED, UM, IN, IN, IN ANY OF THE AREAS THAT WE WOULD'VE CHOSEN.
THE, THE, UH, DISTURBANCE OF THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES OF SLOPES WOULD'VE BEEN PROBABLY SIMILAR.
WHAT I MEAN IS THAT THIS HOT DOG-LIKE PROPERTY SEVERELY AND SLOWLY CHANGED TOPOGRAPHY ALONG THE SAME AXES.
SO NO MATTER WHETHER YOU MOVE THE HOUSE TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT, THE AMOUNT OF, UH, UH, DISTURBANCE THAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO BUILD THE HOUSE WOULD PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH BE, UH, 2010, 20% TO THE 25, 30 5% OR 15% TO THE 35.
THERE ARE NUMBERS THAT ARE THE ONES THAT DESCRIBED FOR THIS PARTICULAR FINAL LOCATION, THE AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE FOR EACH, UH, FOR EACH, UH, SEGMENT IF YOU WANT TO, WE'LL GO OVER THAT.
BUT IT IS, IT, IN MY OPINION, IN ORDER TO HASTEN THIS, THE, THE CATEGORIES OF SLOPE ARE IDENTIFIED.
THE PERCENTAGE OF AREAS THAT ARE DISTURBED IN EACH CATEGORY ARE, UH, QUANTIFIED.
AND, UH, UNLESS, UNLESS THE BOARD FEELS RADICALLY DIFFERENT TO, UM, THE CHOICE OF THE APPLICANT, MYSELF, UM, OH, AND THE ENGINEERING, BY THE WAY, THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF TIME.
THERE WERE THREE ITERATIONS OF DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO ENGINEERING, DEALING WITH ALL THESE TOPICS OF LOCATION, MINIMIZING SLOPE, MINIMIZING CUTS, UH, PROVIDING THEM WITH THE AMOUNTS OF CUTS THAT, WHICH I THINK IT'S AROUND 460, 480 CUBIC YARDS.
UH, THE POOL WAS RE UH, RELOCATED IN ORDER TO SAVE EXCAVATION BECAUSE AS, AS THE TOPOGRAPHY DROPPED, THAT'S WHERE WE PUT THE DEEP END, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, IF I MAY, JUST FOR, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, SO THE DISTURBANCE FIGURES, BECAUSE I JUST WANNA HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD.
THEY'RE LISTED IN THE AGENDA AND IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE BOARD RECEIVED, YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY 3,200 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 15 TO 25% SLOPES, WHICH ARE DEFINED AS STEEP SLOPES, APPROXIMATELY 2,460 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 25 TO 35% SLOPES, WHICH ARE DEFINED AS VERY STEEP SLOPES.
AND YOU HAVE APPROXIMATELY 2,350 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO 35% AND GREATER SLOPES, WHICH ARE, UH, DEFINED AS EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES.
SO I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE ON THE RECORD.
IF YOU COULD TRANSITION INTO I DID, SORRY, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
WHAT, WHAT YEAR STORM IS THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM RATED FOR 25 YEAR STORM? IS, IS THERE ANY, ANY WAY YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN 25 YEARS? I WAS, I WAS, UH, BLASTED LAST TIME FOR, UH, ALLOWING MYSELF TO BE IN THAT CATEGORY OF, UH, MAKING DECISIONS FOR THE OWNERS.
AND, UH, I PROMISE MYSELF I CAN'T DO THAT AS MUCH AS I WOULD WANT TO.
UM, SO WE, WE ARE STICKING TO THE 25 YEARS.
UH, WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO ANY INCREMENT.
UM, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME NEED IF WE DISCUSS MORE PAID AREA HERE OR THERE, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE SEVERELY POLICED AS WE BUILD.
UH, BUT NO, IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, UH, AT YOUR SUGGESTION, I WOULD POLITELY, UM, UH, UM, STAY WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE CALCULATED, WHICH ARE ALWAYS, I, I WANT YOU, I WANT THE BOARD TO KNOW THAT EVERY TIME WE DESIGN SOMETHING, IT'S ALWAYS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THE 25.
BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PROMISES I DID IN THE OTHER APPLICATION, UH, I I WON'T, UM, I WON'T DO IT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
AND I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE AT THIS POINT.
YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO DO MORE THAN A 25 YEAR STORM.
OH, I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN ENGINEER, AND I'M CERTAINLY NOT AN EXPERT, WHICH IS WHY I HIRED EMILIO.
UM, BUT BASED ON HIS ADVICE, AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, UM, THIS IS WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
COULD IT BE CONSIDERED, I THINK IS THE QUESTION.
I EXPLAIN TO MY CLIENT THAT THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT.
AND SHE SAID, WELL, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, AND I SAID, IT'S MORE THAN, IT'S MORE THAN ADEQUATE.
WE WENT OVER THE NUMBERS AND SHE WAS SATISFIED WITH THAT.
THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M, I'M KIND OF LIKE, UH, SAYING WHAT
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I'M SAYING.UM, THE, THE, THE GROUND IS QUITE PERMEABLE.
UM, WE DID, WE DID, BY THE WAY, WE DID TWO DESIGNS.
WE DID A PERCOLATION AND A DETENTION SYSTEM.
UM, BUT BECAUSE OF ENGINEERING'S, COMETS, UH, AND THEY WERE CORRECT, UH, THEY SAID, AMELIA, YOU ARE, YOU ARE PUTTING, UH, PODS OF PERCOLATION SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, WHICH IS NOT BAD IDEA, BUT WHAT YOU HAVE CREATED IS A SPAGHETTI OF LINES.
UH, AND THAT MAY BE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE FOR THE, UH, HOMEOWNER IN MAINTAINING IT.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER DOING A STRAIGHT DETENTION SYSTEM? I SAID, ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.
UH, BUT IT ELIMINATES A RIDDLE OF PIPING THAT RUN FROM THE HOUSE TO ONE SPOT IN THE BACK, FROM THE HOUSE TO ONE SPOT IN THE FRONT, UH, CONFLICT, UH, OF, OF, OF, OF LOCATION, OF PIPES AND HEIGHTS FOR THE WATER LINES AND SEWER LINES.
SO THEY WERE VERY, UH, WISE IN SUGGESTING THAT I FOUGHT IT AT THE BEGINNING.
THAT WAS THE SECOND ITERATION.
BUT I SAID, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE DID, WE WENT OUT, WE DUG, WE DUG HOLES EVERYWHERE.
I WANTED TO VERIFY THAT I, I COULD FIGHT WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, SAID, NO, I CAN DO IT.
BUT THEN I SAT BACK AND SAID, HE'S RIGHT.
UM, IT'S BETTER TO HAVE ONE COLLECTING POINT, UH, RATHER THAN DIGGING ALL AROUND THE PLACE, MAKE IT MUCH MORE EROSION ISSUES.
THAT WAS ANOTHER ISSUE HE BROUGHT UP.
IT'S EROSION PROBLEMS INCREASE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT HE WON? HE, IT MADE IT, IT, IT'S THE ONLY WAY HE WIN WITH ME WHEN IT'S LOGICAL.
AND HE WAS MUCH MORE CORRECT THAN I WAS.
SO I SAID, I SAT WITH MY CLIENT AND I, I SAID, OKAY, LET'S DO WHAT THEY SUGGESTED.
THE THIRD ITERATION WAS EXACTLY, UH, WHAT I THINK MAKES MORE SENSE.
UH, AND FROM NOW ON, I MAY BE, MAY DO THAT MORE AND MORE, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S LESS DIGGING.
WE MAY BE DIGGING LESS IN MANY WAYS.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE, THE ANSWER TO THAT.
AND CAN YOU JUST IDENTIFY ON THE PLANS WHERE, WHERE THESE ARE LOCATED? THE STORM WATER RETENTION SYSTEMS? IT'S, IT'S THAT LINE THAT YOU SEE IN THE FRONT FROM LEFT TO RIGHT.
YOU SEE THAT, UH, HEIGHT OR TUBE LOOKING, THERE YOU GO.
AND IT'S, AND IT DISCHARGES ONTO THE ALREADY EXISTING NATURAL DRAINAGE DISH.
UH, IF YOU WERE TO WALK, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARDWALK HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WALK THE PROPERTY, BUT IT, IT'S A, IT'S A REAL TREK.
UM, AND WHEN WE WENT THERE, UH, UH, AT LEAST THE FIRST TIME I WENT THERE FIVE YEARS AGO, I SAW, MY GOD, THERE'S A NATURAL DRAINAGE DITCH RIGHT HERE.
WE HAVE TO DO ZERO IMPROVEMENTS.
ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BRING THE WATER TO IT.
UM, OF COURSE, THINGS CHANGED SINCE THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO IN TERMS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED.
BUT WE ARE DOING IN, IN IN ESSENCE, THE SAME THING.
YOU SEE THE MAIN PIPES COMING DOWN TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT PIPE.
THAT PIPE DETAIN THE 25 PLUS YEAR STORM, AND THEN IT, IT LEECHES IT OUT AT THE RIGHT SIDE, ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT SIDE AT THE LOWEST POINT OF THE PROPERTY THAT, UH, THAT DROPS THE WATER TO, AGAIN, A, A NATURAL CHANNEL THAT FLOWS INTO A CONVERT THAT IS THE EXISTING PICKUP POINT THROUGH THE PROPERTY UNDERNEATH THE, THE, UH, THE STATE ROAD.
UM, THE, THE STATE PEOPLE, UH, ASKED US TO, UH, VERIFY THE CONDITIONS OF THESE CULVERTS.
AND WE TVD THAT WHOLE CONCRETE CULVERT AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, SUBSEQUENTLY THEY APPROVED IT.
UH, WE HAVE THE APPROVAL FOR THE CURB CUT, THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, AS WELL AS THE WATER, UH, PATH THAT WE NEED TO CONNECT TO THE STREET, UH, TO THE NORTH OF THIS PARCEL.
DO YOU ALSO HAVE THE APPROVAL FOR THE TRENCH STRAIN, UM, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE DISSIPATOR ALONG THE DRIVEWAY? YES.
SO COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHY YOU HAVE THE, THE SECOND SYSTEM FOR THE DRIVEWAY? OH, THAT'S REQUIRED BY A DOT STANDARDS.
THE WATER THAT IS NOW FLOWING ON LAND THAT IS, UH, CONTROLLED BY DOT, YOU NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE IN THE WAY THAT YOU DISCHARGE THAT WATER ONTO THEIR PROPERTY.
AND HAVE THEY REVIEWED THIS SYSTEM IN THEIR YES.
I, WE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS OUT AT THE SITE WITH THE DOT.
THIS HAS GOTTEN VERY INVOLVED.
JUST WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD.
MY CLIENT WAS, WAS, WAS BASICALLY IN CHARGE OF THAT.
I'M GONNA HIRE HER FOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH DOT IN THE FUTURE.
SHE, SHE'S AN ATTORNEY, SO SHE WAS ABLE TO SCARE THEM.
WELL, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PROGRESS AS EARLY ON AS YOU HAVE, AT LEAST IN ABSOLUTELY.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN AT IT FOR A WHILE.
IT'S COMPLETELY LANDLOCKED AS YOU CAN SEE.
UM, SO IT'S EITHER GO THROUGH A NEIGHBOR'S YARD OR GO THROUGH DOT THAT REPRESENTS THE, UH, THE ONE ABOVE.
YEAH, THAT ONE IS THE ONE THAT WAS SUBMITS THE DOT.
AND IT SHOWS THE DETAILS AS PER THEIR STANDARDS.
UM, YEAH, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO, UM, THE TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING.
I KNOW YOU HAVE A PLAN, I BELIEVE IT CALLS FOR THE REMOVAL OF 49 TREES.
AND THEN WE SAW SOME DIFFERING FIGURES
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IN TERMS OF THE NEW TREES, THE PLAN AND UH, THE STAFF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE SAYS 16 NEW TREES, BUT WE DID SEE SOMEWHERE WHERE IT INDICATED 20 TREES.SO WE JUST WANTED SOME CLARITY ON THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S ME NOT REMEMBERING WHAT I READ, UH, THREE MONTHS AGO.
THAT'S THE ROWING, THAT'S OFFICIAL.
WHATEVER, WHATEVER THAT IS, IS WHAT, THAT'S THE 16TH.
THAT WAS WHAT WAS FILED IN PROVE.
I GUARANTEE YOU THAT WHEN THIS LADY ENDS UP FINISHING THAT HOUSE AND GIVING OURSELVES PRIVACY FOR THE POOL, THERE'LL 40 TREES THERE, THERE'S BE A LOT MORE TREES THAN 20, BELIEVE ME.
SO THIS PLAN, AND I WANT THE BOARD TO UNDERSTAND, SO THIS PLAN WAS PROVIDED THERE.
YOU BROUGHT A BOARD, UH, A THIRD PARTY INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS FAMILIARITY WITH THE TREE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT REQUIREMENTS OF THE TOWN.
JASON DEAN, THE YOUNG LADY, UM, SHE'S DONE PREVIOUS PROJECTS FOR ME.
AND, UH, AND I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE HOW YOU, UH, JUDGED HER AND YOU GAVE HER FLYING COLORS FOR THE, THE, THE CLARITY, THE LABELING OF ALL THE TREES.
ALL THE TREES GET A, GET A TAG.
AND SHE, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE TABLE, THAT'S ALL HER WORK.
UM, SHE, SHE DOES A, A VERY THOROUGH JOB.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD IS THAT THE LANDSCAPING PLAN PROVIDED DEMONSTRATES COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO YOU AS THE APPLICANT THAT IF YOU WERE GONNA EXPAND UPON THAT TO PROVIDE SCREENING AROUND THE POOL, IT WOULD HELP THIS BOARD FURTHER EVALUATE.
'CAUSE THERE ARE OTHER, THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS OUTSIDE OF JUST STRICTLY WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR REPLACEMENT PLANTINGS, WHICH INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORS, FEW SHEDS, ET CETERA.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU HAD AN IDEA FOR, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY EVERGREEN LANDSCAPING, IT'D BE GOOD TO SURE HAVE THAT.
UM, WE ACTUALLY SAT DOWN WITH THE, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE, THE CONSERVATION REVIEW BOARD.
AND WE GOT THROUGH FIRST SHOT.
'CAUSE OF THIS PLAN WAS JUST SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY VERY DETAILED.
VERY DETAILED, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANTED DETAILED.
UM, SHE LABELED EVERY SINGLE TREE ON THE PROPERTY.
SHE, AND THERE ARE SEVERAL NOW THAT I KNOW WERE STRUCK BY RIGHT.
SO ACTUALLY WE'LL BE REMOVING LESS THAN 49.
'CAUSE NATURE REMOVED SOME OF THEM FOR US.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THAT, I DO UNDERSTAND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT TYPES OF TREES AND IF YOU LOOK FURTHER IN THE PLANTS AND WHERE SHE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THE ECOLOGICAL VALUE OF THE TREES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE PLANTING.
SO I WOULD HAVE RIGHT HERE MORE OF THOSE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE A BETTER SENSE.
LIKE ONCE I TAKE THOSE TREES DOWN AND I CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE GONNA PUT, WHERE IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ENVISION IT, MAYBE, I MEAN, I CAN CERTAINLY WRITE DOWN, WE CAN PUT DOWN 40 TREES AND I WILL COMMIT TO 40 TREES.
BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SAY EXACTLY WHERE AND WHAT KIND UNTIL I BETTER VISUALIZE IT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND, AND, AND A LOT OF THE, UH, DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE IN THE PAST, AARON, MYSELF AND THE BUILDER AND THE CLIENT IN OTHER JOBS ALSO DEPEND AS TO WHAT WE FIND.
IF THERE'S ROCKS NEAR THE AREA AND WE, WE END UP, UH, AARON, I ALWAYS GO WITH HIS SUGGESTION BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE AND THIS TYPE OF SOIL THAT DO, SO WE END UP KEEPING THE SAME NUMBER OF TREES THAT AARON IS SUGGESTING TO COMMIT OURSELVES TO, WHICH WE WILL, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATED PLAN.
UH, I'LL, I'LL SIT WITH LINDA AND WALK THE PROPERTY AND MAKE AS CLOSE A FINAL DECISION AS WE COULD LIVE WITH.
BUT OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, THE END, UH, DEPENDING ON THE CONTOURING AND MAYBE MAYBE WE DID A RETAINING WALL HERE, IT IS BEAUTIFUL TO PUT A, A TREE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT CIRCULAR RETAINING WALL AND SO ON.
SO, BUT I'M, I'M SURE THAT THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU'VE AL ALWAYS OFFERED THE APPLICANT WILL EXTEND INTO THIS PROJECT.
IF I MAY JUST, UM, ADD, UM, AS YOU LOOK, UH, WELL TO MY RIGHT, WE HAVE THAT DRAINAGE DITCH, WHICH RIDES LIKE GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE PIZZA CUT THERE.
BUT TO THE RIGHT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DISTURBING ANY OF THOSE TREES ON THE RIGHT.
IT'S A RATHER THICK FOREST AND IT'S GONNA STAY THAT WAY.
IT'S, IT'S ALMOST, SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING DOWN, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DISTURBANCE KIND OF NEAR THE DRAINAGE DITCH, WHICH DOES NO, THAT RIGHT.
WHICH, WHICH DOES UNDER OUR STRICT CODE FOR WATER COURSES AND WETLANDS, IT DOES MEET THE DEFINITION OF A WATER COURSE.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY YOU NEED THE WATER COURSE PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS IN, IN THE FIELD.
UM, BUT YOU HAVE FIVE TREES GOING IN ON THE FAR SIDE, LET'S CALL IT, UH, AT LEAST SHOWN ON THIS PLAN, WHICH IS GONNA KIND OF BE AN, IF YOU SEE A THREE, A FOUR.
THEY'RE NONE OF THOSE TO REMOVAL THOUGH.
MY POINT WAS GONNA BE IF THAT AREA ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE DRAINAGE DITCH IS GONNA REMAIN IN AN UNDISTURBED STATE
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AND YOU WANTED TO PLANT THAT AREA, WE DON'T, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PRO, I WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM, UH, WITH IT FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, BUT WE WOULDN'T WANT, UM, THE NEED FOR THERE TO BE MACHINERY BROUGHT INTO AN AREA THAT'S NOT GONNA BE DISTURBED ONLY FOR PURPOSES OF PLANTING, YOU KNOW, FIVE TREES.IT WOULD HAVE TO BE HAND WORK.
WELL, IT WOULD ALL BE HAND WORK.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE BRINGING IN MACHINES WITH, YOU KNOW.
SO IT MIGHT EIGHT FOOT, IT MIGHT JUST BE SOMETHING YOU WANNA LOOK AT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO YEAH.
NO, NO, WE'RE NOT A TREE 200 FEET INTO THE WOODS.
NO, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT DOING THAT.
SO JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO LOOK AT.
AND I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL PREPARED WITH THE TREES AND THE IDENTIFICATION AND, AND PERHAPS IF YOU EVEN KNOW WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE A DECIDUOUS OR A EVERGREEN TREE YOU'RE THINKING OF THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BENEFIT THE BOARD AS FAR AS ANY SCREENING OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, IF YOU DO KNOW THAT WELL, WELL, THIS IS THE THING.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UM, IT GOES BACK TO THE ECOLOGICAL VALUE OF THE TRADE.
SO GREEN GIANTS WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE PREFERRED IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A SHIELD THERE, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY.
BUT YOU'VE ALREADY MET THE REQUIREMENT.
SO THIS IS ANYTHING THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN ADDITION, SO, RIGHT.
I MEAN, THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS YOU'VE ALREADY MET THE REQUIREMENT FOR REPLACEMENT, BUT IF YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL TREES YOU'RE THINKING OF, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND I THINK ERIN HAD POINTED OUT THAT THE BOARD WOULD BENEFIT FROM, UM, NOT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM LIKE A SCREENING OR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
I'M SAYING YOU DON'T NEED TO NECESSARILY HAVE IT IN AS MUCH DETAIL AS WHAT YOU HAVE HERE.
IT COULD JUST BE WHETHER IF, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A DECIDUOUS TREE OR AN EVERGREEN TREE AND A APPROXIMATE LOCATION THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE BOARD FOR THOSE PURPOSES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NOT AT THIS TIME.
SO YOU WANT, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.
YOU WANT ME TO PUT IN ANOTHER TREE PLANT TO TELL YOU WHAT I MIGHT BE PUTTING IN, IN ADDITION TO WHAT I'M REQUIRED, BECAUSE I I'LL DO IS, UM, FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT I'VE WORKED WITH MR. ESCALADES ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS.
SO PHONE CALL AND WE CAN DISCUSS BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE AT WITH, HEY, I DON'T WANNA LOCK ME MYSELF INTO SOMETHING IF, YOU KNOW, UM, DO WE HAVE ANY FLEXIBILITY ESSENTIALLY? AND THE ANSWER IS YOU WOULD, WHAT THIS PLAN SHOWS IS COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.
SO WE'LL HAVE THAT OFFLINE, OKAY? OKAY.
AND WE'LL SEE YOU AT A FUTURE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL FUTURE WORK SESSION, RIGHT? WE WANT TO GET CLARITY FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE ON THOSE VARIANCES.
AS SOON AS WE DO, YOU'LL BE THE FIRST TO KNOW.
ALRIGHT, GENTLEMEN, LADIES, THANK YOU.
I, THIS IS, THIS IS A, I FEEL GREAT.
NOW I CAN GO AND HAVE MY SEAT AND WATCH THE NEWS.
YOU JUST, YOU JUST CLICK LEAVE MEETING AND YOU'RE GOOD TO GO.
ALRIGHT, UH, OUR LAST CASE FOR THIS EVENING, UH, AND THEN WE DO HAVE AN UPDATE ON CHAPTER 2 85.
BUT OUR, OUR LAST PROJECT FOR THIS EVENING IS CASE NUMBER PB 25 31 ATLANTIS CAR WASH AT 6 0 9 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD IN PO ELMSFORD AND THE APPLICANT SEEKING A SITE PLAN.
IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME AND ASSOCIATION FOR THE RECORD.
ADAM TYBERG FROM INSIDE ENGINEERING SURVEYING LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE PC.
UH, I BELIEVE I'M ALSO JOINED ON THE ZOOM BY THE APPLICANT, DANNY PORTCO OF A MG RETAIL ONE LLC.
AND THE PROJECT ATTORNEY, UH, DARIUS, SHE ZEDA FROM, UH, HARRIS BEACH AND MHA ATTORNEYS AT LAW.
SO, UH, WE'VE, WE MADE OUR, UH, INITIAL FORMAL SUBMISSION BACK IN MARCH, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN, UH, COORDINATING WITH YOUR STAFF AND, AND CONSULTANTS, UH, FOR OVER A YEAR NOW TO BRING THE SITE PLAN TO, UH, WHERE IT IS NOW.
UM, WE'VE BEEN ON NUMEROUS CALLS, UH, REFINING, UH, THE LAYOUT AND ADDRESSING PRELIMINARY COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING SITE LAYOUT, UH, ZONING CONFORMANCE, UH, AND ADDRESSING, UM, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TOWN'S PREFERRED LAYOUT AS IT RELATES TO VEHICLE QUEUING AND STAGING STACKING AND PEAK HOURS.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS RETAINED A TRAFFIC ENGINEER WHO'S COORDINATED BOTH WITH DOT AS FAR AS THEIR PREFERRED, UH, ENTRANCE TO THE SITE AND DRIVEWAY LOCATION, AS WELL AS WITH YOUR, UH, TOWN TRAFFIC ENGINEER REGARDING SITE LAYOUT TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT CAN SAFELY FIT ONTO THE SITE.
UM, AND CERTAINLY, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL LET, UM, JOHN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, BUT I THINK, I THINK THOSE CONCERNS ARE MOSTLY SATISFIED.
UM, SO TO GIVE A QUICK OVERVIEW, UH, OF THE SITE PLAN, THE SITE'S CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED, IT'S IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE BETWEEN SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND GRASSLANDS ROAD, AND NEW TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
SO JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PREVIOUS PROJECT WE WERE LOOKING AT, UM, THE APPLICANTS,
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UH, LOOKING TO CONSTRUCT A 39 SQUARE FOOT, A 3,900 SQUARE FOOT, UH, CAR WASH BUILDING WITH, UH, DRIVE THROUGH, UH, PAYMENT KIOSKS, VACUUM STATIONS, ASSOCIATED LANDSCAPING, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, AND UTILITY CONNECTIONS.UM, THE APPLICANT ALSO OWNS THE GAS STATION TO THE SOUTH.
UM, SO AS THE TWO ARE COMPATIBLE USES, WE'VE PROPOSED, UH, A THROUGH, UH, A THROUGH CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO SITES.
UM, AND THE BOARD SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THE FOUR PARKING SPACES THAT ARE SACRIFICED ON THE GAS STATION SIDE IN ORDER TO CREATE THAT THROUGH CONNECTION OR ACCOUNTED FOR ON THE CAR WASH SITE.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A NET, THERE'S NO NET LOSS OF PARKING SPACES TO CREATE THAT CONNECTION.
UM, SO THE TWO SITES WERE PART OF A, UH, 2019 SITE PLAN APPROVAL, UM, FOR, UH, THE EXISTING GAS STATION AND A SELF STORAGE FACILITY.
OBVIOUSLY ONLY THE GAS STATION HAS BEEN, UM, BUILT OUT.
UM, ANOTHER JUST THING TO KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT IS AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICANT, UH, INTENDS TO CREATE A NEW, UH, SEWER MAIN, UM, THE EXISTING GAS STATION ACTUALLY IS CONNECTED TO HOLDING TANKS THAT ARE PERIODICALLY PUMPED OUT.
SO THE NEW SEWER, SEWER MAIN WOULD SERVICE BOTH OF THE TWO SITES.
SO TO DATE, WE'VE RESPONDED TO SEVERAL COMMENT, UH, MEMOS FROM YOUR STAFF, UH, AND WE'VE BEEN IN RECEIPT OF SOME NEW MEMOS TODAY, CORRECT.
UH, AND WE'LL CERTAINLY RESPOND TO THOSE WITH OUR NEXT SUBMISSION.
UM, JUST QUICKLY TO TOUCH ON, UH, THE VARIANCES, UH, THAT, THAT WERE DESCRIBED IN THE, UH, BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S MEMO.
UM, THERE ARE SOME THAT I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH, WITH THE BOARD'S CONSULTANTS AND I THINK WE'RE AWARE OF AND WE'LL LIKELY NEED TO SEEK.
UH, WE WILL WORK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THOUGH TO MAKE THAT LIST OF VARIANCES AS LOW AS AS POSSIBLE, CERTAINLY AS RELATES TO THE LOCATION OF A LOADING SPACE, UH, THE LIGHTING, THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA BE REVISED TO, TO GET THAT NUMBER OF VARIANCES, UH, DOWN.
AND SO THAT'S KINDA A SUMMARY OF OUR SITE PLAN.
I CAN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WALK YOU THROUGH HERE.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A, UM, AN ENTRANCE HERE OFF OF OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
THE, UH, CUSTOMERS WOULD COME THROUGH, THEY WOULD MAKE THE LEFT HERE GO TO A PA UH, A PAYMENT KIOSK HERE THAT WOULD BE GATED AND CONTROLLED.
AND THEN THEY WOULD BE SENT THROUGH HERE AROUND THIS CORNER THROUGH THE CAR WASH AND THEN OUT.
AND AT THAT POINT THEY COULD EITHER EXIT THE SITE OR THEY COULD PULL INTO THE, THIS AREA HERE.
ALL OF THESE SPACES THAT ARE NOTED WITH A V ARE VACUUM STALLS, SO YOU COULD PULL IN THERE AND YOU COULD VACUUM OUT YOUR CAR.
UH, BUT THE SITE IS, IS PRETTY MUCH FULLY AUTOMATED.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, VACUUM STATIONS, THE PAYMENT KIOSK, ALL OF THAT, IT'S KIND OF SELF-SUFFICIENT.
UM, SO HAPPY TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE.
I, I RECALL THAT THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT ACCESS COMING THROUGH THE ADJACENT LOT AND POTENTIALLY IMPACTING SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES THERE.
IT IS A QUITE BUSY GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE, DUNKING DONUTS.
UM, OFTEN IT'S HARD TO FIND A PARKING SPOT IN THERE.
UM, IS, IS THERE AN EASEMENT, IS IT THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER IS THERE? SO IT'S THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER.
AND WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH, WITH YOU ON WHAT INSTRUMENT YOU WOULD REQUIRE AS FAR AS THE, THE, UH, THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE DESIGNATED TO REPLACE THE FOUR THAT WOULD BE LOST WITH THE THROUGH CONNECTION ON THIS SITE, WHETHER IT'S AN EASEMENT OR, OR, OR SOME OTHER AGREEMENT.
WE CAN CERTAIN WE CAN WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THAT AND HAVE THOSE FOUR PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED.
I THINK IT'S FOUR, RIGHT? YES.
UM, ARE THEY BEING REPLACED ELSEWHERE? ARE YOU STILL SATISFYING PARKING DEMANDS FOR THAT PARTICULAR SITE IN USE? YEP.
IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT OUR, OUR, UM, OUR PARKING SUMMARY, UM, WE'RE SHOWING 15 VAC SPACES, WHICH ARE, AGAIN, THE, THE SPACES MARKED WITH A V.
THOSE WOULD BE VACUUM DEDICATED SPACES.
SO THERE WOULD BE A VACUUM THERE YOU'D PULL IN AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, VACUUM OUT YOUR CAR.
THERE ARE ALSO THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THIS USE, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS 10.
NO, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE GAS STATION HE'S GOT.
AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE FOUR ADDITIONAL SPACES ON THE, ON THE, THE CAR WASH SITE TO REPLACE THE FOUR THAT ARE BEING REMOVED FROM THE GAS STATION SITE.
AND ARE THERE FOUR EXCESS ON THE GAS STATION SITE OR WOULD THE GAS STATION SITE COME UNDER, YOU KNOW, REDUCE DOWN BY FOUR AND THEN BE POTENTIALLY IN VARIANCE TERRITORY, BUT THEN YOU'RE SHOWING, HEY, WE'RE MAKING UP FOR THE FOUR, BUT IT'S ON THIS ADJACENT SIDE? YEAH, I MEAN, IDEALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE THIS WITH ONE APPLICATION OF, AND ONE SITE PLAN OF, SO YEAH, THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, AN A, A NEIGHBORING, UM, AGREEMENT PROPERTY OR SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT AS WE TALKED ABOUT THEIR ADJACENT LOTS, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A LOT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS OLD SAWMILL R ROAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
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BE, YOU KNOW, 20 FEET FURTHER AWAY THAN THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY.UM, SO IN TERMS OF HOW THE MECHANICS OF THAT, LIKE I SAID, WE COULD WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS OF AN EASEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO TO, TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
DO YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, OFFHAND, IF LET'S JUST SAY WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT THE GAS STATION LOT AND IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT, THERE ARE FOUR SPACES BEING REMOVED.
DO YOU KNOW IF THE GAS STATION LOT ON ITS OWN WOULD STILL BE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK, I'D HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP.
AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH US TO PREPARE WHATEVER INSTRUMENT, UH, MAY BE NECESSARY.
UM, BUT WE WOULD WANT TO KNOW, BECAUSE WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE TO SEE IF IT WOULD TRIGGER ANYTHING FURTHER.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UNLESS YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, UM, I'M NOT SURE, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE CONTIGUOUS, IT PROBABLY DOESN'T TRIGGER, HOWEVER, I'LL MENTION THAT IT MAY TRIGGER THE SATELLITE PARKING, UM, WHICH IS A SPECIAL USE PERMIT WITH THE ZONING BOARD CURRENTLY.
SOMETHING TO BE REVIEWED AS WE CONTINUE TO COORDINATE.
WE'LL, WE'LL WAIT FOR GUIDANCE ON THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY STATE THAT, UM, AS MR. THY BERG INDICATED, THE APPLICANT HAS DONE EXTENSIVE WORK WITH TOWN STAFF OVER APPROXIMATELY THE PAST YEAR TO REFINE THIS PROJECT AND COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVE DESIGNS THAT, UM, HAVE LED TO THIS LAYOUT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL BELIEVE IS, IS THE BEST LAYOUT WE'VE SEEN IN TERMS OF THE ENTIRE SITE.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, A LOT OF GROUNDWORK, A LOT OF DIFFERENT VERSIONS.
AND, AND THIS PARTICULAR VERSION, I THINK GIVES THE BEST COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, ZONING COMPLIANCE ONE AND TWO, UH, MAXIMIZING THE QUEUING LENGTH AND YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT CAN FIT IN THERE ON A, ON A PEAK, UH, UH, UH, HOUR.
UM, AND WE WORKED WITH JOHN'S OFFICE, UH, ALSO TO PRODUCE PLANS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE SITE'S AT CAPACITY AND OTHER, OTHER MITIGATING UH, MEASURES.
SO IN ADDITION TO WORKING WITH STAFF, THE APPLICANT'S BEEN GREAT IN WORKING WITH MR. CANNING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, IF NOT CLOSE TO A YEAR.
AND JOHN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR JUST WANT TO SUMMARIZE WHAT YOU'VE REVIEWED TO DATE, UH, QUICKLY? SURE.
UM, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT DO A PRETTY EXTENSIVE TRAFFIC IMPACTS STUDY TO EVALUATE THE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC IMPACTS BOTH AT THE DRIVEWAY AND AT THE ROUNDABOUT, IT ACCOUNTED FOR ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH IS LOOP ROAD HOLDING, UH, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS INDICATED THAT THERE WOULD NOT BE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC OPERATING CONDITIONS.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE ANALYSIS DID LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF SAW MILL RIVER ROAD WITH ROUTE NINE A, WHICH IS ON THE LEFT OF THE, OFF THE PICTURE THERE.
UM, THAT INTERSECTION, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, IS DIFFICULT IF YOU WANNA MAKE A LEFT TURN.
BUT THERE ARE REALLY ONLY ABOUT FIVE VEHICLES AN HOUR THAT MAKE A LEFT TURN BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE JUST AS EASILY GONE ON GRASSLAND ROAD OVER THE BRIDGE AND THEN GO DOWN ON ROUTE NINE A AND THEN TURNING OUT OF THE HOTEL THERE, THERE'S ALSO ONLY A SMALL NUMBER OF LEFT TURNS.
AND I BELIEVE IF THEY WANT TO GO LEFT THERE, THEY CAN MAKE A RIGHT TURN AND GO UP THE RAMP TO GRASSLAND ROAD, MAKE A LEFT TURN THERE, ALTHOUGH THAT'S NO PICNIC EITHER, AND THEN GO BACK DOWNS RIVER ROAD.
MY POINT IS, THEY DID A PRETTY EXTENSIVE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THEY CONSIDERED ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE BEING, OR MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS WE HAD DONE IN THE AREA.
THEY LOOKED AT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE LESS THAN DESIRABLE RIGHT NOW AND IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF AREA TRAFFIC.
AND THEY DETERMINED THAT THE ADDITION OF THIS PROJECT WOULD NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ADVERSELY IMPACT THEM.
AND THEN WE GOT INTO THE WHOLE QUEUING THING.
AND THE ISSUE WITH THE, UM, WITH CAR WASHES IS TYPICALLY A COUPLE OF DAYS A YEAR WE GET SOME SNOW, WE GET SOME SALT, AND THEN THE FIRST SUNNY DAY IN LATE FEBRUARY OR MARCH, EVERYBODY WANTS TO WASH THEIR CAR.
PRETTY MUCH ALMOST EVERY CAR WASH IN THE COUNTY HAS A LINE OF CARS OUT ONTO THE STREET.
SO WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR THAT SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, MINIMIZE THE OCCURRENCE AND TAKE ACTION IF IT OCCURS.
UH, THAT WAS SUBMITTED I'D SAY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND MY REC, THERE IT IS.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT, UH, THIS BE BOUND INTO THE APPROVAL AS A CONDITION, UH, OF IMPLEMENTATION SO THAT IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, THEY SHOULD STEP UP AND IMPLEMENT THESE MEASURES TO STOP IT GOING ONTO THE STREET.
AND IF IT DOES GO ONTO THE STREET, THE TOWN THEN CAN COME BACK, UH, TO GET COMPLAINTS AND SAY, LOOK, HERE'S THE PLAN.
IF IT'S PART OF YOUR APPROVAL, YOU'VE GOTTA DO IT.
AND SO I GUESS, JOHN, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING,
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UM, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE A GRAND OPENING PLAN THAT WOULD ONLY EXIST FOR, YOU KNOW, A PERIOD OF TIME IMMEDIATELY UPON OPENING, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT, THAT THIS BE CONDITIONED TO BE A PLAN ANNUALLY AS, AS THERE'S A SEASONAL CHANGE, EVEN IF MAYBE JUST CONDITIONS LIKE OVERFLOW CONDITIONS OR SOMETHING? RIGHT.AND WE'VE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR THE, UM, SITE JUST AT THE CORNER OF HILLSIDE AVENUE AND ONE 19.
THERE WE'RE SIMILAR, UH, CONDITIONS INCORPORATED.
THERE WAS A SIMILAR PLAN REQUESTED, UH, IN THE EVENT OF LARGE, YOU KNOW, HIGH VOLUME DAYS OR PERIODS, UM, OR HOURS, WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND SO THERE'S A PLAN THAT WAS CONDITIONED AND IT MUST BE IMPLEMENTED WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE QUEUE HITS A SPECIFIC POINT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO, SO YEAH, IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT IN THAT REGARD.
SO IDEALLY, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE MANAGER'S OFFICE AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET SNOW IN FEBRUARY, HE SAID, OH YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GET BUSY ON SATURDAY.
HE'D PULL OUT THE PLANS, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DO.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY SHOULD KNOW FROM YEAR TO YEAR, BUT THAT WOULD BE THEIR, THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD BE THERE.
THEY ARE REQUIRED TO NOT HAVE TRAFFIC QUEUING ONTO THE STREET AND THEY COULD IMPLEMENT IT IF THEY NEEDED IT, AND IF THEY DIDN'T NEED IT, WELL LOOKING FOR THEM
ANYTHING ELSE, JOHN? I THINK THAT WAS IT.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD THAT THERE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS, UM, ITERATIONS OF THE PLAN.
AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A CURB CUT, UH, ONTO, UH, SAWMILL RIVER ROAD IN REVIEWING THAT WITH TOWN STAFF AND, AND THE APPLICANT TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND WITH CONSIDERATIONS OF NEW YORK STATE D OT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ELIMINATED.
UM, THAT'S A MUCH HIGHER VOLUME ROADWAY, YOU KNOW, WITH CARS TRAVELING AT HIGHER SPEEDS THAN THE, THE SIDE ROAD HERE ON OLD SELMA MILL RIVER ROAD.
SO THE APPLICANT WAS, AND HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE OVER THE COURSE OF THE REVIEW.
UH, FIRST DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY MCG.
SO MADONNA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.
UM, DO THE QUEUED SPACES, THIS IS FOR JOHN, UM, COUNT TOWARDS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AS IS THE CASE FOR FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS IN TOWN.
AND MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR GARY.
YOU NEED AN INTERPRETATION FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR.
WHAT I, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT, IS THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY GO TO A CAR WASH TO PARK AND HANG AROUND AND SHOP FOR A CHRISTMAS TREE, FRESH AIR FRESHENERS.
SO THERE'S NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY GO AND PARK THERE.
YOU GO THERE TO QUEUE AND WE'VE LOOKED AT THE QUEUE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CODE REQUIREMENT IS FOR PARKING.
REALISTICALLY IT WAS TO SEE IF IT WAS COUNTED THAT MATTER MATTER.
LEMME ASK, LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY AND ASK THIS TO ADAM.
YOU'RE NOT SEEKING TO UTILIZE THE SPACES THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE QUEUE TOWARDS MEETING YOUR OFF STREET PARKING.
THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS MET RIGHT.
WITH THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE SHOWN.
THIS IS JUST BASICALLY A DIAGRAM TO PROVE OUT THE VEHICLES THAT THAT COULD FIT IN THE EVENT THAT THEY WERE ALL WAITING IN LINE AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION, UH, WITH STAFF POTENTIALLY THAT THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A BROWNFIELD SITE YEARS AGO.
UM, WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.
I KNOW IT WAS APPROVED FOR A, A SELF-STORAGE FACILITY.
YEAH, THERE WAS APPROVAL IN 2019.
SO I ASSUME, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS A BROWNFIELD SITE, BUT I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT, GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE SITE AND THE STORAGE OF MATERIALS AND OTHER THINGS, UM, OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS, 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF BEEN VACANT AND UTILIZED AS KIND OF LIKE, SOMETIMES IT WOULD SEEM LIKE A CONTRACTOR YARD AND STORAGE OF TIRES AND OTHER THINGS, IF IT ROSE TO ANY SORT OF LEVEL.
I THINK IF, UM, A MORE DIRECT QUESTION WOULD BE HAVE ANY LIKE, UM, SOIL INVESTIGATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, A A A PHASE ONE WAS CONDUCTED AT SOME POINT.
SO WE CAN LOOK IN TO SEE IF, IF WE CAN GET OUR HANDS ON THAT.
OR IF, IF IT ACTUALLY WAS DONE, AND IF NOT, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY WE'LL, WE'LL TRACK DOWN ANYTHING WE CAN IS THINK, IS EXCAVATION GONNA BE REQUIRED, UH, IN ORDER? YES.
UM, SO THAT WOULD ALSO COME INTO PLAY MOST OF THE, I'LL SAY MOST OF THE EXCAVATE IF YOU, IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE, THE SITE, THE PAD IS, IS MORE OR LESS WHERE IT IS PROPOSED TO SIT.
UH, THERE ARE SOME STOCKPILES THAT ARE LEFT OVER FROM THE, THE, THE HIGHWAY PROJECT AND THE, THAT ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED.
SO THERE'S EXCAVATION OF EXTRANEOUS MATERIAL IN THE FORM OF STOCKPILES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THE PAD IS MORE OR LESS WHERE IT'S GONNA BE THOUGH.
THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF CUT, A LITTLE BIT OF FILL AROUND THE EDGES.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOUR COMPANY DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, ORDER
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A PHASE ONE? I'M NOT THE OWNER.I, I'M, I'M THE, UH, I'M THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT I WORK FOR THE ENGINEER.
UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT IT, I BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS, IS WHAT I SAID.
SO I, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE OWNER.
CAN WE GET A COPY OF THAT? I SEE IF THEY, THEY WERE RECOMMENDING ANY REMEDIATION IN THAT PHASE ONE.
WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT AND RECOMMENDED A PHASE TWO.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AND KNOW ABOUT IT.
QUESTIONS, UH, MS. ROBINSON, THE, UM, THE SIDEWALK THAT YOU STARTED ON NINE A WHAT THE SITE, WAS IT AT THE GAS STATION? WERE YOU CONSIDERING CONTINUING THAT AND JUST FINISHING IT OFF AT THE OTHER PROPERTY ALONG WITH, UH, CROSSWALKS? THERE IS A, THERE IS A SIDEWALK ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD SIDE THAT'S COMPLETED.
BUT ON THE SAWMILL ROAD SIDE, RIGHT.
YOU STARTED A SIDEWALK AND THEN IT KIND OF ENDS BY WHERE THE DUNKIN DONUTS IS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WOULD, WAS INTENTION TO, TO CONTINUE THAT SIDEWALK.
SO IF YOU COME UP THE SUN MILL RIVER ROADSIDE, ULTIMATELY YOU GET TO THE UNDERPASS AND JUST THE BUSIER PART OF THE HIGHWAY WHERE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC, I THINK IS LESS.
WELL, THE REASON WHY I WAS ASKING IT IS A BUS ROUTE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WITH POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES TAKING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, I MEAN, EVEN JUST WALKING OVER FROM THE CAR WASH TO THE DUNKING DONUTS, THERE IS NO, THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE WALKING INTO THE, YOUR STREET THAT YOU HAVE YOUR PRIVATE ROAD IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT LOCATION.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK.
WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT BETTER PEDESTRIAN CONNECT, WHETHER IT'S A SIDEWALK OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE BETWEEN THE TWO SITES.
I, I, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD LOOK TO PUT, AND I DON'T KNOW THE DOT WOULD WANT A SIDEWALK OUT ON SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING THE TWO SITES WITH THE SIDEWALK BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE TWO PARKING LOTS IS SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT.
ONE, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE USE OF THE ADJACENT SITE, IT'S THE SAME OWNER.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY NEED TO PROVIDE PLANS SHOWING, UM, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AS FAR AS THE PARKING AND POSSIBLY SIGNAGE DIRECTING CUSTOMERS FROM THE GAS STATION OR SOME, SOME OTHER MECHANISM TO INFORM 'EM THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL SPACES THERE SINCE THOSE FOUR ARE GONNA BE TAKEN AWAY.
AND THEN, UM, SHOOT, UH, I FORGOT MY OTHER POINT NOW.
IT'LL COME POINT SOMEWHAT RELATED TO THAT.
ARE THE TWO SITES, CAN YOU DRIVE THROUGH BOTH SITES? WELL, THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA.
LET ME, UM, SO YOU, IS THERE AN ENTRANCE ONTO SOME RIVER ROAD FROM THE GAS STATION? THERE IS AN EN YEAH, THERE ARE CONNECTIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE GAS STATION.
SO AREN'T PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET ON SOME RIVER ROAD DON'T WANT TO GO UP TO GRASSLANDS AND GO AROUND? AREN'T THEY BASICALLY GONNA START CUTTING THROUGH THE GAS STATION PROPERTY? I THINK MY COMPUTER'S DIED, BUT, UH, YEAH, THERE'S A CON THERE ARE, UM, ACCESS POINTS ON, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE GAS STATION.
AND WE WOULD BE PROPOSING TH THE, THE THROUGH CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO SITES ON THE CAR WASH SIDE, THERE WOULD ONLY BE THE ENTRANCE ON OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
BUT THERE WOULD BE THAT, THERE WOULD BE THE CONNECTION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BETWEEN THE TWO SITES.
AND THEN AGAIN, ACCESS TO BOTH ROADS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO I, IF I WENT TO THE CAR WASH, I COULDN'T GO ON, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GETTING ONTO EITHER, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ROAD.
I, I CAN'T CUT THROUGH THE GAS STATION PROPERTY FROM THE CAR WASH PROPERTY AND GET ON SOME OVER ROAD GOING SOUTH.
NO, YOU TURN, YOU IT'S THE RIGHT TURN ONLY INTO THE GAS STATION ON NINE ON NINE A.
YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S AN GOING SOUTH ENTRY.
SO, SO YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD GO OUT IT EIGHT'S CURVED.
YOU WOULD GO, YOU WOULD GO OUT ONTO OH YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT TO OLD SALT RIVER ROAD MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD ON THE CAR WASH SITE.
YEAH, THEY DID THAT THE RIGHT TURN IN ONLY SOUTHBOUND.
IT LOOKS LIKE, LIKE MY COMPUTER'S YEAH, I WAS GONNA BRING IT UP, BUT I THINK WE'RE TO, UH, TO MS. ROBINSON'S QUESTION BEFORE ABOUT A SIDEWALK, IF WE CAN JUST, AND I KNOW WE, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION EARLIER IN THE WEEK.
IF WE COULD JUST VERIFY THE SIDE, THE, THE SIDEWALK PRIORITIZATION PLAN FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SEE IF ANY OF THE, UM, ADJACENT, UH, ROADS, UH, WERE ON THAT PLAN THAT MIGHT GIVE US SOME DIRECTION ON RIGHT.
IF A SIDEWALK IS, IS SUGGESTED.
SO THERE IS A, A SIDEWALK PLAN WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE COMMISSIONERS OUT THIS WEEK.
OTHERWISE I WOULD'VE REVIEWED IT WITH HIM.
'CAUSE WHEN YOU JUST LOOK AT THE PLAN, YOU DO SEE A GREEN LINE ALONG NINE A MM-HMM
BUT IN SOME INSTANCES THERE'S A, I WOULD SAY LIKE A BOLD GREEN LINE, WHICH DEPICTS IDEALLY SIDEWALKS ALONG
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BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.UM, I COULD NOT DIFFERENTIATE IF ALONG NINE A, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE BOLD LINES OR JUST A THINNER LINE THAT INDICATES SIDEWALK ALONG ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M GONNA REVIEW WITH COMMISSIONER DUQUE UPON HIS RETURN TO THE OFFICE, AND WE'LL COORDINATE WITH YOU ON THAT AND REPORT BACK TO THE BOARD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OR STAFF? I RECALL WHAT MY LAST ONE WAS.
SO I KNOW CAR WASHES ARE REQUIRED TO RECYCLE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THE WATER ON SITE.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS PROVIDED IN THE PLAN DETAILS.
AND THEN ALSO I THINK THERE WAS A WATER MAIN OR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY IDENTIFIED TOO CLEARLY.
AND I THINK IT MIGHT EVEN BE THE VILLAGE'S WATER MAIN, WE'LL, WE'LL CLARIFY THE WATER MAIN ON THE PLANS WITH OUR NEXT SUBMISSION MM-HMM
UM, BUT WITH REGARD TO THE RECYCLING, WE DO NOT HAVE IT ON THE PLAN ON, ON THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
BUT WE DO NOW HAVE THAT INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT AND WE'LL BE GETTING THAT INTO THE SITE PLAN WITH OUR NEXT SUBMISSION AS WELL.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION OF THE CAR OPERATORS GOING TO STAY IN THE CARS AS THEY PROCEED THROUGH THE CAR WASH, MEANING THE OWNERS OF THE CARS WILL BE IN THE CARS RIGHT WHEN THEY'RE IN THE CAR WASH? YES.
AND THEN I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR THE HYDRODYNAMIC OPERATOR AS WELL? YEAH, THERE'LL BE A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR STAFF? ONE QUICK ONE.
UM, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO WHAT YEAR STORM EVENT IS, UH, THE SYSTEM DESIGNED FOR THE SYSTEM'S? NOT REALLY DESIGNED YET.
WE'VE BEEN MAINLY FOCUSED ON THE QUEUING AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
OBVIOUSLY WE'LL DO ALL OF OUR CALCULATIONS, WE'LL PROVIDE A STORMWATER REPORT AND, UM, ALL THAT INFORMATION WILL BE IN THERE.
UH, COULD YOU PLEASE LOOK INTO DESIGNING FOR A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT OR GREATER IF YOU CAN FIT ON THE SITE? WILL DO.
WE, WE DO HAVE ONE, UH, ACTION TO TAKE THIS EVENING.
UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DECLARE INTENT TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY FOR CQR REVIEW ON THIS PROJECT.
MR. PILLINGER? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
AND, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, WE HAVE A CONTINUATION OF OUR, UH, REVIEW OF THE COMPREHENSIVE CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS, UH, AS, UH, ON REFERRAL TO US FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, THIS IS CASE NUMBER, CASE NUMBER TB 25 0 4.
UM, AND THE TOWN BOARD IS REFERRED TO US BOTH THE ZONING TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS.
UH, THIS EVENING WE WILL BE RECEIVING A PRESENTATION FROM DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES WITHIN CHAPTER 2 85, SPECIFICALLY THE CD OVERLAY AND THE PUD DISTRICT, UH, AS WELL AS THE STEEP SLOPE AND WETLAND, UH, WETLANDS DEDUCTION AMENDMENTS, UH, AS WELL AS A NEW SECTION ON ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS.
UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, I WILL PASS THE, THE FLOOR TO DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT.
SO I'M GONNA KEEP MY REMARKS AS AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE.
I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY BEFORE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE MEETING CLOSES AROUND 10 O'CLOCK, BUT, UM, I WILL START OFF, UM, WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED EV CHARGING STATION AMENDMENTS.
UM, SO WE HAVE MATT'S, UH, GOING BE DISPLAYING SOME GRAPHICS THROUGH THE SHEER SCREEN.
MATT, DO YOU HAVE THOSE HANDY? DO I DID WANNA NOTE THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE IN THE AUDIENCE ON ZOOM, UM, CIA OCCHIO, WHO, UH, WORKS FOR CUDI AND FADER, AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING A CLIENT, UH, NEWLEAF ENERGY, WHO IS INTERESTED IN, UH, THE EV CHARGING STATION LOCAL LAW, AND HAS PROVIDED BOTH MS. GGI AND HER CLIENT HAVE PROVIDED SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED TO THIS BOARD.
I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO THOSE IN A GREAT AMOUNT OF DETAIL THIS EVENING.
UH, I HAVE ADVISED MS. GGI TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL FORWARD THOSE ALONG TO THE TOWN BOARD AS PART OF ITS OVERALL CONSIDERATION OF THE VARIOUS AMENDMENTS PROPOSED.
UM, AND SHE MAY EVEN, UH, ATTEND A FUTURE TOWN BOARD MEETING.
SHE IS HERE THIS EVENING IN THE EVENT A QUESTION CAME UP THAT NEEDED ANSWERING, AND SHE'S HERE TO ALSO LISTEN IN ON THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION.
SO AGAIN, UM, FIRST REVIEWING THE PROPOSED EV CHARGING STATION AMENDMENTS.
UH, EV CHARGING STATIONS ARE NEEDED FOR MUNICIPAL FLEETS OFFICES, COMMERCIAL SPACES, AND THE TRAVELING PUBLIC EV CHARGING STATIONS ARE NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDED WITHIN CHAPTER 2 85.
UH, THAT DOES NOT HOWEVER, MEAN THAT THE TOWN HAS NOT APPROVED THESE USES.
THEY'VE BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN NUMEROUS WAYS IN
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THE TOWN, UH, AS CUSTOMARY ACCESSORY USES, WHETHER AT ONE'S RESIDENCE FOR PERSONAL USE OR AS A FEW SPACES WITHIN AN OFFICE BUILDING OR SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT AS SHOWN IN THE GRAPHIC, THE TOWN'S SUSTAINABILITY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY COMMITTEE, OR SEEC AS PART OF ITS EXCELLENT WORK, RECOGNIZED THIS GAP IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND WORKED WITH ME FOR OVER A YEAR IN CRAFTING COMPREHENSIVE EV CHARGING STATION LOCAL LAW, WHICH IS INCORPORATED INTO THE CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS AS NEW SECTION 2 85 DASH 37.3.THIS PROPOSED SECTION MEMORIALIZES A SERIES OF BEST PRACTICES FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE RELATED TO FUTURE INSTALLATION OF EV CHARGING STATIONS.
THE SECTION ALSO INSTITUTES LOGICAL THRESHOLDS FOR REQUIRING SITE PLAN AND OR SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL FOR LARGER GROUPINGS OF EV CHARGING STATIONS WHILE FACILITATING AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS FOR SMALLER SCALE INSTALLATIONS.
THE SECTION ALSO ADDRESSES A USE, WHICH HAS BEEN INQUIRED ABOUT IN THE TOWN THAT WHICH IS NOT PRESENTLY PERMITTED.
THERE IS A MARKET AND NEED FOR SMALL COMMERCIAL CHARGING SITES, WHICH HAVE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE CHARGING STATIONS AS THE PRIMARY USES WITH AN ACCESSORY RETAIL COMPONENT COMPONENT, ALMOST AKIN TO A GASOLINE SERVICE STATION WITH A SMALL CONVENIENCE COMPONENT.
BUT IN PLACE OF GAS PUMPS, INDIVIDUAL FAST CHARGING LEVEL THREE CHARGERS WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR USE.
AND YOU SEE THE GRAPHIC UP ON THE SCREEN, SO IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A GASOLINE SERVICE STATION.
IT'S JUST AN EV CHARGING HUB AS WE'VE DEFINED IT.
UM, SO THE USE IS DEFINED, AS I MENTIONED, AS AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING HUB AND WOULD REQUIRE A SPECIAL USE PERMIT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN THE APPLICABLE MIXED USE DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN.
THE OVERALL SECTION ADDRESSES AESTHETICS, LIGHTING, SIGNAGE, SETBACKS, EQUIPMENT PROTECTION, AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
UH, THE NEWLY PROPOSED EV CHARGING STATION SECTION IS HIGHLY CONSISTENT WITH SEVERAL POLICIES IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UH, I THINK WE'LL PAUSE JUST BEFORE I, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GONNA INDICATE WITH RESPECT TO THE EV CHARGING STATION AMENDMENTS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OTHERWISE I'LL MOVE ON INTO THE NEXT SECTION.
UH, D UM, IT, IT TALKS TO MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE REPORTING.
AARON, IS THERE, UM, AND MAINTAINING IN GOOD CONDITION, IS THERE ANY, IS IT CONTEMPLATED TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF REPORTING REQUIREMENTS TO THE TOWN FROM THE COMPANY WITH REGARDS TO THEIR MAINTENANCE OF THEIR EV CHARGING STATIONS? WE KNOW WE'RE SAYING THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM IN, IN GOOD CONDITION.
BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANY REQUIREMENT THAT THEY CONFIRM TO US THAT THEY ARE MAINTAINING THEM IN GOOD CONDITION, LIKE A YEARLY CONFIRMATION.
SO LIKE AN ANNUAL REPORT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD COULD ADD AS PART OF ITS OVERALL RECOMMENDATIONS.
I DON'T SEE WHY THAT'S, THERE'S NO REAL DOWNSIDE TO IT.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE APPLICANTS ARE CLEARLY INTERESTED IN MAINTAINING THEIR EQUIPMENT.
SO PROVIDING SOME SORT OF ANNUAL OR SEMI-ANNUAL REPORT YEAH.
SINCE WE'RE REQUIRING THEM TO MAINTAIN IT.
WHY THAT DOCUMENT? WHY THAT DOCUMENT? YEAH.
ESPECIALLY FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.
I DON'T SEE WHY THAT'S, UH, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD ON THIS.
I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT IT, WE WOULD JUST NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THERE'S NOT OTHER REGULATORY AGENCIES THAT DO REQUIRE THAT TYPE OF, UM, CERTIFICATION OR ANNUAL REPORTING, OR WE DON'T WANNA CONFLICT WITH.
MY COMMENT IS MORE JUST ON THE SIGNAGE AS FAR AS THE, UM, MAYBE NOT INCLUDING THE PRICING OR THE AMPS.
UM, I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU GO TO THE EV STATIONS, UM, IT FLUCTUATES DEPENDING ON DAY, HOW MANY CARS ARE THERE.
YOU KNOW, THE IDLING FEES DEPEND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE LEFT YOUR VEHICLE.
SO I THINK THINGS LIKE THAT FLUCTUATE.
SO MAYBE LIKE MORE OF A GENERAL SIDE AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING SPECIFIC AS FAR AS PRICING AND HOW MANY KILOWATTS.
SO THIS WAS ALSO A COMMENT THAT CAME IN FROM MS. KEOKI AND HER CLIENT.
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IT WASN'T MEANT, UH, I THINK THE LANGUAGE WAS JUST A LITTLE VAGUE IN THE SECTION AS IDENTIFIED UNDER SIGNAGE, UH, BECAUSE IT, IT DOES STATE, UH, USAGE FEES IF APPLICABLE.UM, THE INTENT WASN'T TO HAVE THEM INDICATE THAT, YOU KNOW, DURING HIGH PEAK PERIODS IT'S, YOU KNOW, X CENTS PER KILOWATT HOUR, UM, BECAUSE EVERYTHING CAN FLUCTUATE AND WE DON'T NEED TO SEE ALL THAT PRICING.
THE INTENT WAS TO IDENTIFY WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A PAY PER USE STATION OR POTENTIALLY A FREE STATION.
SO WE WILL CLARIFY AND CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE WITH RESPECT TO THAT.
IT WAS A GOOD COMMENT AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON AND PICKED UP ON THAT AS WELL, MS. ROBINSON.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS SPECIFIC PRESENTATION? I, I DID HAVE TWO QUICK COMMENTS.
UM, THIS, THIS WAS A COMMENT THAT I, I ALREADY SHARED WITH STAFF AND, AND IS, UM, A, A COMMENT CONSISTENT ACROSS THE ENTIRE AMENDMENTS, BUT WHERE, WHERE THERE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR SOMETHING TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN SIX MONTHS, UM, I THINK REVISING THAT TO 180 DAYS IS JUST CLEAR ON EXACTLY WHEN, WHEN THE TIME BEGINS AND ENDS.
UM, AND ACCOUNTS FOR, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE MAY BE SHORTER OR LONGER MONTHS AT ANY, ANY GIVEN PART OF THE YEAR.
UM, MY OTHER MORE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS, AND I'M GONNA TRY TO CITE THIS CORRECTLY, UM, SECTION C FOUR O FOUR, UM, RELATED TO THE SMALL SCREEN KEYPAD, UH, SHALL BE PERMITTED AND, AND BASICALLY RESTRICTING THE USE OF VIDEO SCREENS OR TELEVISION SCREENS OR, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW SOME GAS STATIONS, I KNOW SOME, UH, TRADITIONAL GAS STATIONS HAVE LIKE GAS, GAS VISION, UH, THAT PLAYS RIGHT.
WHILE, UH, WHILE YOU'RE PUMPING GAS.
UM, I PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, THINK THIS IS GREAT IN TERMS OF THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE, UM, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OUR REGULATIONS FOR SIGNAGE, UH, AT TRADITIONAL GAS STATIONS.
BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE ALREADY PERMIT THAT KIND OF, UM, AMENITY, UH, FOR, FOR TRADITIONAL GAS STATIONS, I, I THINK I WOULD BE HARD PRESSED TO SUPPORT HAVING A DIFFERENT STANDARD FOR, FOR EV STATIONS RIGHT NOW.
I WOULD, I WOULD JUST PARTIALLY RESPOND THAT I, I CAN UNDERSTAND FOR CONSISTENCY PURPOSES.
HOWEVER, UM, WHILE, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE I SEE BETWEEN THE TWO IS THAT AT A GASOLINE SERVICE STATION, THERE'S ACTUALLY, YOU'RE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY STANDING THERE PUMPING GAS INTO YOUR VEHICLE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR AN AD, UH, YOU MIGHT, YOU KNOW, TAKE A SCREENSHOT OR, YOU KNOW, DO THE QR CODE OR SOMETHING RIGHT? WITH, UH, EV CHARGING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PLUGGED IN, SITTING IN THE CAR, YOU KNOW, OR POTENTIALLY WATCHING A MOVIE OR GOING OR A SHOW OR GOING INTO THE SERVICE STATION.
YOU'RE NOT KIND OF STANDING OUTSIDE WATCHING IT ADJACENT TO THAT SCREEN.
SO THAT WAS THE DIFFERENTIATE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE DIFFERENTIATED.
I AGREE WITH, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, UH, SCHMIDT AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE DIGITAL SCREENS, IF IT'S A DIGITAL SCREEN FOR INSTRUCTIONAL PURPOSES, RIGHT.
BUT AS FAR AS ADVERTISING, MOST THINGS ARE DONE THROUGH AN APP.
YOU KNOW, THE, WHEN YOU GO TO A CHARGING STATION, IT TELLS YOU TO GO USE THE APP.
THERE'S LIKE A 1, 2, 3 STEP TO GET TO THE APP AND EVERYTHING IS ON THE APP.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO WOULD HAVE AN EV CHARGING STATION, IF THEY WERE LOOKING FOR ADVERTISING, THEY SHOULD LOOK TOWARDS THE APP.
UM, AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER COMMENTS IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE MEMO THAT WE CIRCULATED.
WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING A NUMBER OF THOSE WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE.
UH, THERE WAS SOME, CERTAINLY SOME GOOD COMMENTS THAT ARE WORTHY OF FURTHER CONSIDERATION.
AND WE JUST WANTED, I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO MS, UH, OCCHIO AND HER CLIENT FOR PROVIDING THOSE UPFRONT SO THAT WE COULD CIRCULATE THEM BOTH TO THE BOARD, BUT ALSO HAVE TIME TO REVIEW THEM IN-HOUSE WITH PROFESSIONAL STAFF AS THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, PROPOSAL ADVANCES THROUGH, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
HOW DO YOU ALLOCATE THE DIFFERENT LEVEL CHARGERS IN, YOU KNOW, IN WHAT, AMONG THE, HOWEVER MANY YOU'RE GETTING APPROVED ANY CHARGING STATIONS? SO IT'S IN TOTALITY, BUT TYPICALLY, FOR INSTANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, LEVEL ONE CHARGERS ARE, YOU KNOW, NOT SOMETHING THAT ARE GONNA BE INSTALLED IN, YOU KNOW, A SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT OR A, AN OFFICE COMPLEX BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO THEY'RE ONLY PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE IN CONNECTION WITH SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI MULTIFAMILY
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USES WHERE YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY PARK OVERNIGHT MM-HMMAT THE LEVEL ONE CHARGER AND PLUG IN FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THAT WOULD BE IN A PRIVATE HOME, FOR INSTANCE.
AND THEN THE LEVEL TWOS ARE PERMITTED AS AN ACCESSORY USE, UH, WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY AND, UH, NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO, YOU KNOW, TOWN WIDE, UM, THEY'RE KIND OF A MID-LEVEL CHARGER.
SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE YOU'LL CHARGE FOR A HALF HOUR AND BE JUICED UP TO 80% OR MORE AND THEN TAKE OFF, UM, THAT'S THE LEVEL THREE OR THE DC FAST CHARGING.
IT'S KIND OF AN INTERMEDIATE LEVEL, UM, WHICH IS APPLICABLE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE AT YOUR OWN HOME.
UM, NOT EVERYONE HAS THE LEVEL ONE YOU CAN UPGRADE TO A LEVEL TWO, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE THE CAR FOR NEARLY 24 HOURS TO GET A FULL CHARGE.
UM, AND THEN THE LEVEL THREE, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL THREE ARE THE, THE FAST CHARGERS AND THOSE YOU SEE MORE FREQUENTLY, UM, THROUGHOUT SHOPPING CENTER SITES, EVEN AT, UM, OFFICE BUILDING CENTERS, AND THEN SPECIFICALLY AT THESE EV CHARGING HUBS BECAUSE IT'S DESIGNED TO BE NOT THE SAME EXACT EXPERIENCE, BUT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO YOUR TYPICAL GASOLINE SERVICE STATION FILL UP.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE, WE'VE CREATED A DEFINITION FOR EV CHARGING HUBS, AND THIS WAS WORKING WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY AND, UM, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, UM, COMMITTEE OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THEY'RE CROPPING UP THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND WE WANTED TO BUILD IN, YOU KNOW, THAT SIMILAR EXPERIENCE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO A GASOLINE SERVICE STATION WHERE YOU HAVE THAT CONVENIENCE COMPONENT.
AND WE LINED UP THE SIZE AND THE NATURE BY WHICH THE LITTLE CONVENIENCE SHOP IS ALLOWABLE SIMILAR TO HOW IT WAS CREATED FOR THE GASOLINE SERVICE STATIONS.
SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT IF, IF A SHOPPING CENTER WANTED TO DO A COMBINATION OF LET'S SAY LEVEL TWO AND LEVEL THREE, UM, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWABLE BASED ON DO THEY, DO THESE SPACES APPLY FOR SATISFYING PARKING REQUIREMENTS? THEY DO, YES.
AND SO HOW DO YOU PREVENT SOMEONE FROM, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THEIR CAR THERE, GOING ON A LEVEL TWO OR THREE AND TAKING 'EM OFF AND DOING SOMETHING ELSE, RUNNING ERRANDS AWAY, COMING BACK TWO OR THREE HOURS LATER, FOUR HOURS? GO FOR IT.
SO THE, UM, CHARGING STATIONS, SO IF YOU CONNECT YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND YOU LEAVE IT IN THE CHARGER AFTER, AFTER IT'S CHARGED, THERE IS A PENALTY THAT IS ASSESSED THAT BECAUSE IT'S CONNECTED TO YOUR CREDIT CARD.
SO THERE IS, IT JUST KEEPS, IT KEEPS CHARGING YOU.
BECAUSE THE NEXT PERSON NEEDS TO COME.
SO, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, IT'S ON THE APP AND EVERYTHING IS IN WRITING AND IT TELLS YOU IT'S, IT'S AN IDLING CHARGE.
SO YOU MOVE YOUR CAR, YOU MOVE YOUR CAR
THAT'S VERY, YOU NEED TO BE BACK IN 20 MINUTES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S PRETTY EFFICIENT.
I JUST WANTED TO, UM, CLARIFY THE LEVEL ONE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IF YOU WENT TO A LEVEL TWO THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT.
WELL, EVEN LEVEL, UH, LEVEL ONE, IF YOU CAN PLUG INTO AN EXISTING MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, OUTLET IN YOUR HOME, THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA NEED HIGHLY UNLIKELY FOR THE AMOUNT OF POWER.
BUT IF YOU WERE TO UPGRADE TO A LEVEL TWO AND UPGRADE YOUR AMPERAGE AND BREAKER AND ALL THAT, YOU WOULD NEED THE APPROPRIATE PERMITS.
SO IN MY, THROUGH THE BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE, SO MY PRIVATE HOME NOW I HAVE MY, BOTH MY CAR AND MY WIFE'S CAR ARE HYBRIDS.
SO IF I UPGRADED FROM A LEVEL ONE TO A LEVEL TWO, I WOULD THEN HAVE TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT, GO THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I MEAN, YOU WOULD, IF YOU WERE UPGRADING YOUR CIRCUITRY AND ALL THAT, UH, WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A LEVEL TWO CHARGER IN YOUR HOME, YOU WOULD NEED A LICENSE.
ELECTRICIAN GET AN ELECTRICAL.
WELL, THEY HAVE A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN INSTALL IT.
SO IT'S THE SAME PRO, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME PROCESS.
SO IF ONE HAD THE CHARGER FOR SOME REASON IN THEIR HOME, ONCE THIS LAW IS PASSED, OR ONCE THIS CODE IS, UH, GOES INTO EFFECT, DO THEY THAT NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GET A PERMIT IF THEY HAVE NOT HAD ONE? SO IF LED TO THE CHICKENS, IF THEY UPGRADED THEIR ELECTRICAL CIRCUITRY WITHOUT PERMITS MM-HMM
MEAN WOULD EVER DO ANYTHING YOU DON'T WANNA, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO.
JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE OR, OR DOES PLUMBING WORK WITHOUT
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GETTING NOTHING LIKE THAT NECESSARY PURPOSE LIKE THAT DO EVER THAT'S IN THE REAL WORLD.AND, AND THE COMMENTARY AND THE FEEDBACK.
I MEAN, WE DO THINK THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PARTICULARLY, I MEAN, THERE ARE MORE EV VEHICLES OR EVS ON THE ROAD THESE DAYS.
WE WANT THIS TOWN TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE AND BUILD IN THESE REGULATIONS.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GOING A STEP FURTHER THAN JUST ALLOWING THEM AT SHOPPING CENTERS, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE IN CERTAIN INSTANCES.
WE HAD AN APPLICATION ON TONIGHT FOR A DECISION AT GREENVILLE SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THIS LOCAL LAW BECAUSE IT CAME IN FIRST AND MOVED THROUGH THE PROCESS FIRST.
BUT EXPANDING ON IT TO ALLOW FOR THESE HUBS, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IS, IS INTRODUCING A USE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE, UM, AS, I MEAN, IF THINGS SHIFT EVEN MORE THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME MORE.
I'VE ALREADY SEEN GASOLINE SERVICE STATIONS SHUT DOWN AND THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE.
SO THERE WAS AN INTERESTING ARTICLE IN TODAY'S TIMES THAT THE IMPACT ON THE STRAI OF OUS IS HAVING ON ENERGY, ENERGY USE ELECTRIC VEHICLES.
THERE ARE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES THAT HAVE MORE ELECTRIC CARS ON THE ROAD NOW THAN GAS.
WELL, 'CAUSE THE CHINESE ARE MAKING THEM SO CHEAPLY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEY'RE FLOODING THE MARKET.
GOING, GOING BACK TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, CERTIFICATION.
SO I DID FIND THAT THERE ARE SOME, UH, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT DO REQUIRE WHAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE AN ANNUAL FIRE AND SAFETY CONDITION ASSESSMENT.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST IF THE RECOMMENDATION INCLUDE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AS WELL AS, UM, PERHAPS, UH, STATING THAT A QUALIFIED EXPERT SUBMIT A REPORT FOR CONSIDERATION.
CAN, CAN YOU PUT THAT IN SURE.
AARON, CAN YOU QUICK, AARON, JUST IN TERMS OF FIRE SAFETY, I MEAN, I, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, INDOORS AND BUILDINGS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FIRE SAFETY STANDARDS.
WHAT ABOUT RESIDENTIAL HOUSES? WHAT, UH, SO IT, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE ABOUT, I KNOW WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE NEW YORK STATE BUILDING AND FIRE CODE, UH, THAT WAS UPDATED FOR 2025 AND A LOT MORE, I DON'T WANNA SAY STRICT, BUT A LOT MORE DETAILED IN TERMS OF REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE SAFETY, UM, WITH RESPECT TO BATTERIES AND ANYTHING INVOLVING BATTERIES.
SO I'LL TOUCH BASE WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE AND BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO YOU ON, UH, RESIDE AND THEN I GUESS RESIDE, GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED IF PEOPLE LIKE THE FORMER ONES.
I MEAN, IF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM AND THEY HAVEN'T COMPLIED WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE, ARE GONNA BE THE FIRE SAFETY STANDARDS MM-HMM
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PERIOD TO COMPLY.
MAN'S TAKING FOOD OUTTA MY MOUTH.
EASY FOR YOU TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE A CHARGE EXTENSION IN YOUR GARAGE.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD THINK LIKE ANY OTHER STANDARD AND I WANT MARK'S HOUSE TO BE, UH, CHECKED NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST IMMEDIATELY.
UH, SO WE'LL MOVE ON ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE SECTIONS TO GO THROUGH.
UM, SO NEXT UP WILL BE, UM, BRIEF DISCUSSION ON, ON THE STEEP SLOPE AND WETLAND WATER COURSE, UH, DEDUCTIONS THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN.
SO AS WE, MANY OF US KNOW, IF NOT ALL OF US, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS A LEADER IN TERMS OF PROTECTIVE ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS, WHETHER THE RESOURCE, UH, IS TREES, STEEP SLOPES, WETLANDS, WATER COURSES, OR EVEN ROCK OUT CROPPINGS WHEN CONSIDERING CHIPPING AND BLASTING, AS YOU'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE THIS, A SIGNIFICANT PROPOSED UPDATE TO CHAPTER 2 85 IN THIS RESPECT IS THE INTRODUCTION OF A MECHANISM TO REGULATE THE FLOOR AREA OF MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES ON PROPERTIES WITH STEEP SLOPES AND WETLANDS.
SOME OF YOU HAVE MAYBE EVEN ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE THIS CAME UP AS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING BOARD WHEN WE HAD, UH, SPECIFICALLY NON-RESIDENTIAL AND WELL EVEN MULTI-FAMILY USES.
UH, AND THERE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHY THE REDUCTIONS OR DEDUCTIONS DON'T APPLY TO THOSE SPECIFIC TYPES OF USES.
SO WE WANT THE CODE TO BE MUCH MORE CLEAR AND THAT'S WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS SOMEWHAT LOWER FLOOR AREA RATIO ALLOWANCE IS FOR MULTIFAMILY AND
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COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES.UM, THEREFORE THE PROPOSED UPDATE IS TO, UH, SET UP IS SET UP TO LOWER THE BUILDABLE AREA OF A LOT WHEN DISTURBANCES ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THE REGULATED STEEP SLOPES OR WETLAND WATERCOURSE AREA, WHICH WOULD IN TURN LOWER THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE PERMITTED TO BE BUILT ON SUCH SITE.
THE FORMULA PROPOSED IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT WHICH EXISTS FOR EXISTING FOR, FOR, UH, THE ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, THIS IS AN ADDED PROTECTION FOR THESE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES THAT DOES NOT PRESENTLY EXIST.
AND IT ALIGNS WITH POLICY 6.12 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THAT IN THE PACKAGE THAT WE CIRCULATED.
THIS WAS, UM, THIS CAME UP WITH LEY PARK, RIGHT? YES.
AND, AND THEN THERE WAS A, SOME DEBATE OVER WHETHER THAT APPLIED OR NOT APPLIED TO, YOU KNOW, TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY.
IT WAS LIKE MANSIONS THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THEORIES.
IT ONLY APPLIED TO, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY MANSIONS MM-HMM
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA BE CRYSTAL CLEAR IN THE CODE MM-HMM
THAT IT'LL APPLY ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ADDITION.
AND IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, STAFF HEARD AND, AND SAW THE STRUGGLES OF THE BOARD AND EVEN STAFF WITH TRYING TO INTERPRET WHAT THE REGULATIONS, THIS WILL CLARIFY THAT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS, UH, THIS TOPIC? NO, I, I DID HAVE ONE COMMENT, UM, TO THE, I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A DRAFTING COMMENT THAN, THAN A SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT.
BUT, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT ELSEWHERE IN THE REVISIONS THE CONCEPT OF, UH, A TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS CREATED, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE INTENTION IS FOR THIS TO ALSO EXTEND TO THAT TWO FAMILY CONCEPT.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW ONLY ONE FAMILY, MULTI-FAMILY AND NON-RESIDENTIAL IS LISTED AND SO EXPLICITLY INCLUDING TWO FAMILY, UM, AS IS CREATED ELSEWHERE.
SO TWO FAMILY IS NOT CONSIDERED
SO, UM, MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE NOW GONNA TOUCH ON, UH, THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CD OVERLAY AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH WILL CLOSE OUT THE DISCUSSION FOR THIS EVENING AS WE APPROACH 10 O'CLOCK.
UM, SO BOTH THE CONSERVATION OVERLAY DISTRICT AND PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ARE DISTRICTS THAT GIVE THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD THE DISCRETION TO PERMIT ALTERNATE SITE LAYOUTS WITH MODIFIED LOT AND BULK CRITERIA, ALL IN AN EFFORT TO CONSERVE OPEN SPACE AND NATURAL FEATURES OF A SPECIFIC PROPERTY.
THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT OR PUD DISTRICT ALSO ALLOWS FOR MORE VARIETY IN RESIDENTIAL USES SUCH AS TOWN HOMES, WHICH WOULD NOT OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED.
THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE MAKE IT EXPLICIT THAT IN THE CD OVERLAY DISTRICT, THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE CAN BE REDUCED BY 50% TO NO SMALLER THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT WHEN THE LOT SIZE IS REDUCED, THE OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IS NOT TO BE INCREASED FROM THE UNDERLYING ZONING WITH A 25% UNIT SUBTRACTION.
SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
SO IF YOU HAD A, A, YOU KNOW, A 50 ACRE SITE, LET'S SAY WE'RE TALKING A BIT IN THIS EXAMPLE LARGE SCALE SITE, IT COULD BE SUBDIVIDED, UH, INTO 100 LOTS EACH OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE CD OVERLAY DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW 75 LOTS OF 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO YOU HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FROM 10,000 TO 5,000, BUT THEN YOU HAVE A 25% REDUCTION IN THE OVERALL LOTS FROM 100 TO 75.
SO YOU CAN BUILD ON SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED.
AND YOU, THAT'S EFFECTIVELY CLUSTERING THE DEVELOPMENT TO PRESERVE SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES OF THE SITE.
CAN ANY OTHER, LIKE COMMON USES GO ON THE SITE, THE OTHER SITES WHERE THERE AREN'T GONNA BE HOUSES SAY THAT COMMUNITY FACILITIES? OR IS THAT, IS THAT JUST OPEN SPACE? UM, SO YOU COULD HAVE COMMUNITY FEATURES YEAH.
BUT WE WOULD WANT THEM CLUSTERED WITHIN MAYBE ON ITS OWN LAW.
UH, WITH THE CD OVERLAY DISTRICTS SPECIFICALLY, THEY, THEY DETENTION
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IS TO BE, UH, NATURAL FEATURES THAT ARE PRESERVED OR ENHANCED.UM, SO PASSIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, FEATURES, UH, IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING LIKE WALKING TRAILS WITH LIKE BENCHES AND WHATNOT.
UH, BUT MORE ACTIVE, UH, COMMUNITY AREAS LIKE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A TENNIS COURT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH, GENERALLY WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE WITH THE CD OVERLAY.
UM, THAT'D BE MORE FOR LIKE THE HUD UH, PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT KIND OF FEATURES MORE IN LINE WITH THAT.
THANK YOU MATT, FOR CLARIFYING.
SO JUST TO ELABORATE THAT ON THAT FOR A MOMENT, WITH THE CD OVERLAY, THE PURE INTENT IS TO CONSERVE YEAH.
UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES AND NATURAL RESOURCES ON THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, MAYBE SOME WALKING TRAILS THROUGH, BUT THEY'RE EITHER SUPPOSED TO BE PRESERVED OR ENHANCED.
THAT'S THE WAY THE CODE, YOU KNOW, DICTATES.
DO WE HAVE ANY LIKE PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN UH, YEAH, SO UP ON THE SCREEN IS AN EXAMPLE OF A SUBDIVISION.
I'LL SPEAK TO IT HERE JUST 'CAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO UM POINT, BUT THIS WAS A SUBDIVISION BACK APPROVED ABOUT 13 YEARS AGO.
IT'S STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO THIS IS A LARGE WETLAND AND SLOPED AREA THAT RUNS THROUGH ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY SPANS FROM LEFT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE CONSERVATION AREA.
AND THERE'S ANOTHER CUL-DE-SAC OVER HERE WITH, UH, APPROVED FOR I BELIEVE FOUR HOMES.
ORIGINALLY THEY WANTED A ROAD THROUGH THIS TYING THE EXISTING ROAD UP AT THE TOP ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND TYING INTO A ROAD THAT EXISTS DOWN ON THE LOWER RIGHT AND HAVING HOUSES ON EACH SIDE, UM, FOR A TOTAL OF I THINK 10 OR 12 HOUSES.
UM, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AT THAT TIME, UM, WE IDENTIFIED THE FACT THAT THERE WAS A SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW, RESOURCE WITHIN THE CENTER OF THE SITE AND THAT A CD OVERLAY COULD POTENTIALLY BE APPLICABLE HERE TO PRESERVE THIS GREEN SPACE, UM, WHICH WAS DONE AND THEN APPLY IT TO THE LOTS ON BOTH THIS SIDE AS WELL AS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE IN THIS CASE.
AND THEY WENT TO THE TOWN BOARD TO PETITION FOR THE CD OVERLAY.
THE PLANNING BOARD SUPPORTED IT AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GET APPROVAL ON THEIR SUBDIVISION LIMIT ANY DISTURBANCE AND HAVE NO DISTURBANCE WITHIN THE CONSERVATION AREA AS SHOWN IN GREEN.
WHERE IS THAT LOCATED? UH, SO THIS IS IN KIND OF A TOUGH TO GET TO AREA IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING IN THE ARDS, PO ARDSLEY WITHIN UNINCORPORATED.
SO, UM, THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO ORIENT YOU, UH, TO GET UP TO THIS CUL-DE-SAC WOULD BE COMING OFF NINE A SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION, UH, WITH ASHFORD AVENUE.
YOU GO SOUTH AND RIGHT, RIGHT BEFORE THE OFF RAMP FOR 87 THAT COMES DOWN TO NINE A MM-HMM
THERE'S A LEFT HAND TURN THERE.
AND YOU CAN HOOK UP AND GET INTO RIDGE ROAD.
OH THIS IS, THIS IS RIDGE ROAD UP HERE, WHICH THEN TIES INTO THE CHAUNCEY, UM, CIRCLE, I BELIEVE CULDESAC
AND THEN BY THE WAY, THE HISTORY OF THIS HUGE PARCEL WAS, IT WAS ALL ORIGINALLY THE CARVE STATE
SO, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, THERE? 'CAUSE OTHERWISE I WILL CONTINUE.
DID THEY END UP WITH MORE LOTS BECAUSE THEY DID THIS? THEY DID NOT, NO, YOU DON'T GET GREATER DENSITY RIGHT.
TO GET LESS YOU IN THE PROPOSED YOU WOULD GET LESS AT, UM, BECAUSE YOU GET 25% LESS, BUT IT'S MORE CONCENTRATED MM-HMM
UM, BECAUSE IT'S ON SMALLER LOTS.
SO YOU'RE PERMITTED TO BUILD ON SMALLER LOTS THAN WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE IN AN EFFORT TO CONCENTRATE AND PRESERVE THE OTHER, UM, ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE FEATURES OF THE SITE.
AND THEN JUST BRIEFLY MOVING INTO THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE TWO EXAMPLES UP ON THE SCREEN OF PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS.
UM, THE LOWER PORTION OF THE SCREEN ACTUALLY IS SOMEWHAT ACROSS FROM TOWN HALL ALONG OLD, UH, TERRYTOWN ROAD.
WINDING RIDGE DEVELOPMENT IS WITHIN A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT WHERE, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT, UM, SIGNIFICANT WOODED AREAS HAVE BEEN PRESERVED IN CONNECTION WITH THAT SITE BECAUSE THE SITE GOES ALMOST ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BORDER WITH 2 87.
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FEATURES, STEEP SLOPES, ROCK OUT, CROPPINGS WERE PRESERVED IN CONNECTION WITH THAT PROJECT AND, UM, WE DO BELIEVE IT WAS BENEFICIAL IN THIS CASE.THEY DO HAVE THE TENNIS COURTS IN THE CLUBHOUSE IN THE POOL AREA MM-HMM
AND AS MR. BRITTON MENTIONED BEFORE, MORE AKIN TO A TOWNHOUSE STYLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT WITHIN A PUTT.
UM, SO FOR THE PUD OR PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WE PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED AND, AND DISCUSSED THAT THE 10% WORKFORCE OR, UM, AS WE WERE GONNA POTENTIALLY RE RETURN THAT, UM, WOULD BE INCORPORATED AND APPLICABLE.
UM, ADDITIONAL UPDATES INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT TO MEMORIALIZE USE AND LOT AND BULK REQUIREMENTS AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW AND RELATED APPROVAL PROCESSES, WHICH WOULD BE ENFORCED BY BOTH THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WE HAVE SOME OLDER PUDS, UH, I'LL KEEP IT SUPER BRIEF, WHERE THE RELAXATIONS AND REDUCTIONS THAT ARE PERMITTED WITHIN THE DISTRICT WERE APPLIED, BUT WE DON'T HAVE VERY CLEAR, YOU KNOW, UM, IDENTIFICATIONS OF WHAT MINIMUM SETBACKS ARE.
SO THERE ARE SOME PODS WHERE IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT EXACTLY WHAT WAS APPROVED AND WHAT, FOR INSTANCE, THE SETBACKS WERE REDUCED DOWN TO.
SO THEN, YOU KNOW, IN GOING THROUGH, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO REVIEW THE TRANSCRIPT AND THE RECORDS OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED RATHER THAN JUST HAVE AOT IN BULK TABLE THAT SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYTHING'S BEING REDUCED DOWN TO AND IDENTIFIED AS.
UH, ADDITIONALLY HEIGHT MINIMUMS IN THE PUD ARE ALSO PROPOSED TO BE UPDATED TO BE CONSISTENT WITH ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HEIGHT ALLOWANCES.
UM, AND THE OTHER ONE THAT, UM, WE SHOWED, WHICH ACTUALLY AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN, THE PUT IS AT THE BOTTOM, BUT THE TOP IS JUST AN IMAGE OF ACTUALLY THE FUTURE ELMWOOD SITE, WHICH, UH, WAS, UM, ULTIMATELY RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING BOARD TO BE A, TO HAVE BE A CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION, WHICH WAS ABLE TO RESULT IN, UM, FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT RETENTION.
UH, OR IN THIS CASE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU CAN EITHER PRESERVE OR ENHANCE OPEN SPACES.
IN THIS CASE DUE TO THE, UM, BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM, THERE ARE GONNA BE DISTURBANCES EVEN TO THESE CONSERVATION AREAS, BUT THEY ARE GONNA BE ENHANCED IN THE FUTURE WITH NATIVE PLANTINGS, ELIMINATION OF INVASIVES, AND WE THINK WE'LL HAVE, UM, SOME REALLY NICE CONSERVATION AREAS ON THAT SITE IN THE FUTURE.
THAT ENDS MY COMMENTS IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON PUNS? NO.
I, I DO HAVE QUITE A FEW COMMENTS.
UM, MO MOST OF THEM ARE DRAFTING COMMENTS AND I'LL TRY TO GET THROUGH THEM, UM, AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, QUICK QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE THEM IN WRITTEN FORMAT? I DO, AND I'VE ALREADY SHARED THEM WITH GARRETT.
BUT FOR, FOR THE PLEASE DO, YEAH.
UM, SO IN SECTION A, UH, AE, UH, IT REFERENCES ACCESSORY USES PERMITTED IN THE R 10 DISTRICT, UM, PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CODE IT POINTS TO ACCESSORY USES IN R 40.
UM, SO UPDATING THAT, SO IT'S CONSISTENT.
UM, IN TERMS OF READABILITY, I WOULD, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR THE NEXT SECTION, UH, E TWO, UM, FOR READABILITY, I WOULD PROBABLY CREATE, UM, THREE SUBCATEGORIES.
SO TWO OTHER ACCESSORY OR OTHER ACCESSORY USES SPECIFIED THREE, UH, ANTENNAS WERE PERMITTED.
AND THEN FOUR, COMMON DINING HAVING THE OTHER ACCESSORY USES, AND THEN ANTENNAS JUST SORT OF ADDED AT THE END, UM, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO MISS.
UM, GOING ON TO SECTION H, UH, SORRY.
UH, GOING TO SECTION TWO B, UH, WHERE IT SAYS TWO B ONE WHERE IT SAYS IT MUST BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, ELSEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT, IT, IT SAYS THAT IT MUST BE, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF CDNC AND THEN OF COURSE CDNC ROUTES IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
BUT, UM, I WOULD, I, I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO SUGGEST THAT WE'RE RECEIVING ANYTHING DIRECTLY AND UNDERSTOOD IT.
IT, IT'D BE BYPASSING STAFF RECEIVING IT.
UM, UH, AND THEN I ALSO HAVE A NOTE HERE, UH, ADDING THE LANGUAGE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL BEFORE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A SEQUENCING, UM, MAYBE
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INCONSISTENCY WITHIN THIS SECTION THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, WOULD BE WORTH DRILLING DOWN ON.UH, SIMILARLY IN, IN SUBSECTIONS THREE AND FOUR WHERE IT SAYS SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF THE TOWN ATTORNEY AND PLANNING BOARD MM-HMM
PLANNING BOARD SHOULD BE C, D, AND C.
UM, AND THEN IN THREE SITE AND STRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS, SUBSECTION C UH, THERE'S LANGUAGE ELSEWHERE WHERE IT REFERENCES, UM, YOU KNOW, AS A RESULT OF STORM EVENTS, UM, INSTEAD OF BAD WEATHER AS, AS IS INCLUDED HERE.
UM, I THINK THE BEST LANGUAGE THAT I FOUND WAS IN SECTION 2 85, 34 SUBSECTION FIVE C.
SO I WOULD JUST COPY WHAT'S IN THERE AND, AND REPLACE THAT.
UM, UH, SECTION C, SO THIS IS, UH, C THE PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE.
UH, IT SAYS PERFORMANCE GUARANTEES IF THE PLANNING BOARD MAKES A WRITTEN DETERMINATION.
THERE ARE SCENARIOS WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD MIGHT NOT BE AT THE APPROVAL BOARD.
SO I WOULD PUT APPROVAL BOARD SO THAT IT'S, IT'S THE GUARANTEES, UM, AS, AS DETERMINED BY THE, BY THE BOARD THAT'S APPROVING THE APPLICATION.
UM, SIMILARLY IN D ONE APPLICATION PROCEDURES AND APPROVAL PROCESS, UH, THIS LANGUAGE IS, IS EXISTS IN DIFFERENT FORMS AND I THINK, OR IN THREE DIFFERENT FORMS ELSEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT LISTS, DIFFERENT MIXES OF, UH, CAC AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR FIRE COMPANY OR ELSEWHERE.
IT'S REFERENCED THE FIRE DISTRICT.
UM, I, I THINK THE BEST SECTION THAT, THAT THE, THE BEST LANGUAGE THAT I SAW WAS IN 2 85, 24, 3 B.
AND SO TAKING WHAT'S THERE AND THEN JUST ALL THE PLACES WHERE, UM, THIS SECTION'S RELATED TO WHO THE APPLICATION'S REFERRED TO.
AND SO I THINK THE 2 85, 24 3 B MM-HMM
HAS THE MOST COMPLETE AND THE MOST UP-TO-DATE LIST OF, UM, ENTITIES WHICH THE APPLICATION SHOULD BE REFERRED TO.
AND SO UPDATING THAT HERE, UM, FOR EVERYTHING UNDER APPLICATION FOR SKETCH PLAN APPROVAL, SUBSECTION A, THERE'S A SIMILAR LIST IN THE DD DISTRICT TEXT.
AND SO I WOULD COMPARE AND CONTRAST AND, AND SEE, UM, WHICH, WHICH VERSION IS THE BEST PDD.
UH, AND MAKING SURE I'M, I'M TRYING TO READ MY, NO, MY NOTES FROM THREE MONTHS AGO.
UM, YEAH, THERE'S A DIFFERENT SET OF LISTS IN PD AND, AND PUD.
AND SO IT, IT SHOULD PROBABLY BE CONSISTENT, UH, WE'LL REVIEW THAT SUBSECTION B IT SAYS, UH, THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO BE REQUIRED TO BEAR THE EXPENSE OF ANY TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WHERE THE TOWN DEEMS NECESSARY TO ASSIST IN THE REVIEW OF TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE PUD UP TO A MAXIMUM OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER ACRE, UM, ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE THAT WAS UPDATED TO, UM, A, A FEE SCHEDULE ASSET BY THE TOWN BOARD FROM TIME TO TIME.
AND SO I WOULD UPDATE THAT HERE.
UM, THE NEXT SECTION C IT REFERENCES, UH, IT AS AN OUTDATED REFERENCE TO A SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE.
SO UPDATING THAT TO THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL.
UM, HERE, UH, SUBSECTION D UM, THERE, THERE'S A SET OF DATES, A, A 90 DAY AND THEN A A 30 DAY EXTENSION.
UM, THIS CADENCE WAS UPDATED ELSEWHERE IN THE DOCUMENT, UM, WHERE THERE'S 120 DAY PROCESS.
AND SO MAKING SURE THIS, UM, REFERRAL TIMELINE IS CONSISTENT WITH REFERRAL TIMELINES ELSEWHERE IN THE 2 85 UPDATES.
UM, SIMILAR THREE B, THIS IS A, A DIFFERENT SECTION FOR REFERRAL AND HAS YET A DIFFERENT LIST OF WHICH ENTITIES THE APPLICATION MAY NEED TO BE REFERRED TO.
SO MAKING SURE THAT'S CONSISTENT.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UH, I HAVE A NOTE HERE UNDER, UM, THREE, THREE E, UM, MAKING SURE THAT AMENDMENTS TO THE MAP SHALL NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL SITE PLAN IS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, 'CAUSE WHAT THIS SAYS NOW IS THE APPROVED PUD WITH CONDITIONS, IF ANY, CHUBBY OR, UH, YEAH.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE AS TO WHEN, WHEN THE AMENDMENTS TO THE MAP TAKES EFFECT.
UM, THOSE ARE QUICKLY MY, MY EDITS, BUT, UM, THOSE, THOSE HAVE BEEN ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO, TO COMMISSIONER DUQUE.
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THAT.ANY OTHER, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT THIS BOARD HAS PUT INTO EACH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY BROKEN IT OUT, UH, THE AMENDMENTS INTO VARIOUS, UM, VARIOUS, UH, MEETINGS.
SO WE APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU'VE TAKEN.
UH, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE ON JULY 1ST, AND THEN I BELIEVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE'RE PLANNING, DEPENDING ON WHERE WE LAND FOR POTENTIALLY A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON JULY 15TH.
I, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
AND, AND I JUST FOR THE, THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER MCCAIN'S ON VACATION, BUT I ALSO THINK WE HAD DISCUSSED, UM, EITHER, EITHER, AND I GUESS THIS IS A NOTE FOR, FOR TERRANCE IN THE BACK, I THINK WE DISCUSSED CUTTING ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS FROM, FROM THE PREVIOUS PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS AND THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ONE, PUTTING IT INTO A, A, UH, PACKAGE THAT COULD BE POSTED ON YOUTUBE.
FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ABSORB AND, AND REVIEW AND, AND, AND CONSUME.
UM, AND THEN SHARING THAT OUT WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN, UM, PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE ENTIRE PROPOSAL, BUT CERTAINLY HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THE PRESENTATIONS THAT, THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AT THIS POINT.
ANY OTHER, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, ITEMS OF NEW BUSINESS? THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 10:08 PM 10 0 9.
UH, MOVE MR. PILLINGER SECONDED.