[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AGENDA THURSDAY, JUNE 18, 2026 – 7:00 P.M. ]
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MADAM SECRETARY, CAN WE HAVE THE ROLL CALL? YES, SIR.
GONNA BEGIN, ROLL CALL E BUNTING SMITH.
LOUIS CRITCHLOW HERE IS PRESENT.
AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR ROLL CALL.
YES, THERE PRESENTLY EXISTS A VACANCY IN THE NUMBER OF PERMANENT MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
IN LIGHT OF THE FACT OF THAT VACANCY, I HEREBY DESIGNATE PETER.
PETER, WE ARE TO OUR ALTERNATE MEMBER TO VOTE ON ANY MATTER THAT REQUIRES A VOTE AT TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AND NOW THE MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD ORDER OF BOTH APPEALS FOR THE TOWN GREENBERG WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.
WE HAD FIVE STATE, WE HAVE FIVE CASES SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, HOWEVER, CASE 26 0 6 BLACK S-L-A-C-K HOLDINGS DRAMA AMADOR ROAD IS ADJOURNED TO JULY 16TH, MEETING BY THE ZBA PENDING THE TOWN BOARD'S REVIEW OF THE TOWN CODE DEFINITION OF FAMILY QUOTE UNQUOTE.
AGREED CONVENIENCE SONOCO IS ADJOURNED TO AS
LOOKING FORWARD, THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON THURSDAY, JULY 16TH.
PLEASE MARK YOUR CALENDAR ACCORDINGLY.
WE MAY LIMIT TIME TO HEAR EACH CASE, BUT IF WE CANNOT FINISH HEARING THE CASE, IT WILL BE ADJOURNED TO ANOTHER MEETING TO BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME, AS IN THE PAST.
IN ORDER TO SAVE TIME, WE WILL WAIVE READING OF THE MA THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH CASE.
HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THAT INFORMATION IN THE RECORD.
THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TONIGHT'S CASES, THE BOARD WILL MEET TO DISCUSS EACH CASE.
EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AT THAT TIME.
AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS ON ALL CASES, WE WILL ANNOUNCE THE BOARD'S DECISION FOR THE FORMAL RECORD AND TO BE BROADCAST TO THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, YOU MUST COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
WHERE, WHERE'S THE MICROPHONE? IT'S, IT'S REALLY IN THE CENTER.
SO WHERE WOULD YOU SIT? HERE? YEP.
I KNOW THAT YOU'RE, WE ARE IN A SMALL ROOM, BUT STILL WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING ON THE RECORD.
UM, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, OR YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.
THE FIRST CASE WE WILL HEAR TESTIMONY ON TONIGHT IS CASE 26 0 9.
I'M JUST GONNA CHECK OUT IN THE HALLWAY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT OUT
OH, SHE'S SITTING IN THERE MAYBE? NO, THEY CAN'T.
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IS SOMEONE SITTING AT THE SECURITY TO DIRECT YOU HERE? NO.WHERE WERE YOU SITTING, UH, HAND IN THE, IN THE VOTING ROOM.
EVENTUALLY WE'D JUST LIKE TO DECK THE BOARDS.
I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE IF MY CALL A GREAT DEAL.
I HAVE, UH, I HAVE LUNG DAMAGE FROM NINE 11 AND I CAN'T BE IN AIR CONDITIONING AND BECAUSE THEY'RE IN SO AIR CONDITION, I WILL DO MY BEST TO CONTROL IT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
I DID NOT SEE ANYBODY OUT IN THE HALLWAY.
WE HAVE ONE PERSON HAS JOINED US.
I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S FOR OUR FIRST CASE.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT'S REMOTE FOR THE CBA CASE 26 DASH OH NINE.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING CARMEN HARAM.
MY MOM, UH, WE HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY THIS WEEK.
UNFORTUNATELY, SHE'S NOT ABLE TO ATTEND.
AND HER ARCHITECT, MR. ESCAL ESCAL, UM, HAD SURGERY THIS WEEK AS WELL.
HE IS BEDRIDDEN AND IS, HAS NO, UH, CAN'T MAKE IT TO THE, TO THE MEETING TODAY.
DO YOU WANNA POSTPONE IT TO WHAT TIME? UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, UH, I BELIEVE MY MOM DID TELL ME THAT I NEEDED TO PRESENT PROOF, UH, OF THE EXIST OF HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW.
THE, THEY REMOVED THE SHED AND THEY CLEARED EVERYTHING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CLEARED OUT.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
IF I COULD JUST SHOW YOU THE PROOF VIA SHARING MY SCREEN OR IF THERE'S MORE TO THIS MEETING, UM, WE CAN RESCHEDULE.
YEAH, I THINK IT, IT MIGHT BE IN OUR BEST OF INTEREST TO, TO RESCHEDULE THIS CASE,
WOULD NEXT MONTH BE OKAY OR DO YOU WANT TIME AFTER THAT? NO, THAT'S FINE.
THE, AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS YOU SAID THIS WEEK, IT'S BEEN THE FAMILY'S VERY, UH, DEALING WITH THE FUNERAL SERVICES AND, AND THE WHOLE SITUATION.
BUT, UM, AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS NEXT WEEK WOULD BE GREAT.
WE ONLY COME ONCE A MONTH, SO IT WOULD BE THE NEXT MONTH.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO DO NOW? UH, THAT I NEED TO, THAT I NEED TO DO? YES.
IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSING YOU ANY OH, UM, NO, IT'S JUST, UM, SHE'S DEALING WITH THE FUNERAL, UH, SERVICES, SO SHE'S NOT ABLE TO BE PRESENT, BUT SHE DID ASK ME TO, UM, LET YOU KNOW, OR AT LEAST TO HEAR WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, UM, THAT I CAN PRESENT THE PROOF OF THE, OF THE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE SHED BEING REMOVED.
I HAVE, UM, PHOTOS OF, OF HOW IT IS NOW.
IF THAT'S NECESS, THAT'S LOGICAL TO HEAR RULE OR QUANTITY.
IT'S, IT'S, THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS AND FOLLOW UPS AND OTHER ISSUES.
SO IT MIGHT BE IN HER BEST INTEREST AND EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST.
MOVE THIS TO A TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE CASE, ARE ABLE TO BE I UNDERSTAND.
AND I WILL WRITE DOWN THE, THE, THE POSTPONED, UM, MEETING DATE.
YES, WE WILL, YOU'LL GET A LETTER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND MY APOLOGIES FOR HER NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING.
OH, WELL, SORRY FOR YOUR, YOUR LOSS.
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NEXT CASE IS CASE 26, 11 75 FOR BLOOD GROVE ELSTER.WHO WAS HERE ON THIS? THAT WOULD BE US, ALL OF YOU.
YOU WANT ME TO COME FORWARD? UH, I THINK IT MIGHT BE BETTER.
MAKE YOU AWARE OF SOMETHING, RIGHT? SHOULD BE I'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH MICHAEL HOWARD.
POINT DOWN ON THE RECORD FOR SURE.
I THOUGHT WE WERE ON, WELL, THERE'S A LOT.
UM, MR. BLAIR WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
I WANNA SAY ON THE RECORD THAT I, I'VE DONE BUSINESS WITH MICHAEL PASS.
I HAD NO IDEA HE WAS GONNA BE HERE.
UH, I BELIEVE I CAN BE, BE FAIR, BUT I, BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY FOUR OF US HERE TODAY, UM, I EITHER HAVE TO BE ALLOWED TO VOTE AND YOU HAVE, UM, OR THERE'S NOT A QUORUM.
SO I THINK EVERYBODY HAS TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION.
THAT'S, UH, THEN WE, DO, WE REFER TO OUR ATTORNEY? YES.
WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RECUSE YOURSELF, WE'LL HAVE TO ADJOURN THE CASE.
I, YOU TELL ME IF IT'S NECESSARY.
HE'S PROVIDED SIGNS FOR ME IN THE PAST.
WELL, I SUGGEST WE HEAR THE CASE TONIGHT.
THEN WILL, IF SOMETHING COMES UP THAT YOU, THAT WOULD CAUSE YOU TO RECUSE YOURSELF, WHETHER IT BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT COMES UP THAT INVOLVES A PRIOR RELATIONSHIPS, WHICH THAT YOU'VE HAD OR IN OTHER CASES, THEN WE, YOU COULD STOP IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE.
I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THIS POSITION AND I'M, TRY NOT TO COST ME TIME, BUT, OKAY.
LOOK, I I WILL, I'LL TELL YOU AHEAD OF TIME THAT I, I KNOW THAT THE ZONING RULES FOR THE SIGNS AND THE, AND I TRY TO SUPPORT THEM.
NO, BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE STILL HAVE THE CASE.
YOU KNOW, HE SAYS ANYTHING THAT MAKE YOU FEEL AS IF YOU CAN'T GO WRONG, THEN AT THAT TIME.
IF, IF YOU'RE FEELING ANY BIAS.
DO YOU THINK HE'S BEING HEARD? YES.
CAN YOU SAY YOUR, UH, NAME, PLEASE? YES.
UH, I'M THE OWNER OF SAMA IN DALE IN CENTRAL AVENUE, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, THIS CASE TOGETHER WITH, UH, UM, KURU.
SHE IS, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE OF PETER GADO AND ASSOCIATES.
THAT'S THE ARCHITECT, UH, IN THIS PROJECT.
HE'S THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR JONAH TOOLS, THE COMPANY THAT WE ARE TALKING.
SO, WHO'S SPEAKING? I'M SPEAK.
UM, SO
SO IF ANYBODY CAN LIKE, MUTE IT, THAT'S AWESOME, BUT IF NOT, I GET IT.
THERE'S A PHONE, SOMEONE'S NOTIFICATION, NOTIFICATION, SOMETHING LIKE MINUTES, MAYBE LESS.
SO IF YOU WANT MAYBE LIKE, GET THAT OFF, THAT'D BE GREAT.
SO WE ARE, UH, LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE AND OR APPROVAL, UH, OF AN APPLICATION THAT, UH, INVOLVES THE NUMBER AND THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SIGNS THAT WE HAVE TO POST WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE.
SO, NUMBER ONE, THIS, UH, UH, PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 75, UH, UH,
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UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ISN'T ANYBODY, UH, WHO IS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM IMPACTED BY LIGHTING, ILLUMINATION, OR THE SIZE OF, UH, OF THE SIGNAGE.UM, IF YOU JUST TAKE A QUICK LOOK, UH, YOU WILL SEE, UH, THE SIGNS, THE SIGN LOCATIONS, UM, ON TWO SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
UH, AND WE WILL NOW SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE SIGNS, UH, LOOK LIKE.
SO THE FIRST WOULD BE, UH, A LITTLE SLOW HERE, BUT WE GET THERE.
SO WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT THE, YOU WANNA DO IT IS FINE.
AND THEN WE CAN GO TO THE PICTURE THAT, SO NOW YOU KNOW WHAT, GO TO THE, TO THE OTHER EAST FIRST.
THAT MAKES MORE SENSE, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE EAST ELEVATION DETAIL OR YOU WANT THE RENDERING? THE RENDERING, PLEASE.
UM, THE SIDE WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE, UH, INTO THE BUSINESS.
UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING SIGNAGE, UM, ON TWO LOCATIONS ON THIS SIDE OF, OF THE BUILDINGS.
NUMBER ONE IS THE COMPANY LOGO, THE WHITE J ON BLUE BACKGROUND IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER.
UH, AND FURTHER TO THE LEFT, UH, THE WORD JON TOOLS.
THE COMPANY LOGO, UH, CONSISTS OF BOTH, UH, COMPONENTS, THE, UH, CIRCULAR LOGO AND THE WHITE LETTERING.
UM, IS THAT CONSIDERED ONE BUILDING? ONE BUILDING, ONLY ONE ENTRANCE, ONE BUILDING.
IT'S ONE BUILDING, ONE ENTRANCE.
THERE'S AN ENTRANCE ON THE WEST SIDE AND AN ENTRANCE ON THE EAST SIDE.
IT'S ONE BUILDING JUST IN YOUR NAME, CORRECT.
AND IS THAT THE SETUP OF THE BUILDING? IT LOOKS LIKE, IT LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'VE SEEN ON THE PHONE.
IS THIS A WHOLE NEW FACADE FOR THE BUILDING? UH, THAT'S HOW THE FACADE LOOKS TODAY.
THAT'S HOW THE FAB LOOKS TODAY.
AND THERE'S AN ENTRANCE BY EACH.
THE EAST WING AND THE WEST WING HAVE, HAVE AN ENTRANCE, CORRECT? IT'S NOT A WING, IT'S THE SIDE OF THE BUILDINGS.
HOW MANY, HOW MANY, UH, PEOPLE IS THE FRONTAGE THERE ABOUT? UM,
UM, THE FULL WIDTH OF THE BUILDING'S, ABOUT 228 FEET.
AND MAYBE JOHN, MAYBE YOU CAN QUICKLY DESCRIBE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BUILDING.
SO THE BUILDING IS TWO THIRDS IS OUR WAREHOUSE OPERATION WHERE WE RECEIVE AND SHIP PRODUCT TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
AND ONE THIRD OF THE BUILDING IS OUR OFFICE SPACE, WHERE WE HAVE OUR SALES, MARKETING, FINANCE TEAMS CONDUCTING BUSINESS.
THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE FACILITY.
AND I, I GUESS MAYBE JUST TWO SENTENCES BUILDING GOT RENOVATED.
UH, PRIOR TO THIS, IT WAS, UM, A THEATER AND, UH, IT WAS RETROFITTED TO CREATE, UM, A WAREHOUSE OFFICE HEADQUARTERS FOR JOHN ART TOOLS.
AND IN THAT PROCESS, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY IN THE ALREADY, UH, OPERATIONAL.
SO, UM, WAREHOUSING AND THE, UH, UH, OFFICE SPACE ARE OPERATIONAL.
BUT THE LAST FINISHING TOUCHES ARE STILL, UH, ONGOING IN TERMS OF FINISHING THE FACADE.
AND ONE OF THE LAST STEPS IS THE SIGNAGE.
UM, AND OBVIOUSLY FOR THE, UH, REASONS STATED, WE NEED APPROVAL, UH, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER AND THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SIGNAGE AS SHARP.
IF YOU GO TO THE DETAILS NOW ON THE, UH, EAST FACADE, EAST ELEVATION SPEED.
SO THIS IS SHOWING YOU THE DETAILS OF THE SIGNS, THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU JUST SAW ON THE BUILDING.
SO THE JONT LOGO, THE BLUE CIRCLE IS ABOUT 78 INCHES IN DIAMETER, AND WHAT WE CALL AN INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED SIGN CABINET.
SO IT HAS A, UH, BLUE FACE, WHICH IS A TRANSLUCENT FACE.
UH, AND INSIDE OF THAT CABINET ARE LEDS.
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AT NIGHT, UH, WHENEVER IT GETS DARK, UH, THIS WILL BE, UH, ACTIVATED AND, UH, UH, TURNED ON.AND YOU WILL HAVE A ILLUMINATED LIGHT BOX THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT.
AND THE DONOR TOOLS, BECAUSE OF THE LENGTH OF THAT BUILDING IN THIS CASE, THE, THE LOGO, WHICH IN GENERAL CONSISTS OF THE J TO THE LEFT, AND THEN THE WORDS JONAH TOOLS, THE WORD JONAH TOOLS GOT SEPARATED TO THE, UH, UH, WAREHOUSE PART OF THE BUILDING.
AND THOSE ARE WHAT WE CALL FABRICATED LETTERS, MEANING THEY ARE WHITE, APPROXIMATELY 36 INCHES TALL, BUT NON ILLUMINATED.
THAT'S WHAT WE SUGGEST A PROPOSED ON THE EAST ELEVATION.
AND IF WE GO TO THE WEST ELEVATION, PLEASE, WE'D LIKE THE RENDERING FIRST.
WE LOOK AT THE ONE RING FIRST, PLEASE.
SO THIS IS JUST A PICTURE OF THE FRONT PART OF THE BUILDING.
SO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ENTRANCE AREA.
SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE, UH, UH, UH, WAREHOUSE PART, WHICH IS JUST CONTINUING TO THE RIGHT OF WHAT WE ARE SHOWING THERE.
BUT AT THE TOP HERE, YOU SEE THE FULL LOGO IN ONE PLACE.
THAT'S WHAT IT USUALLY LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE IT ON A BUSINESS CARD OR ON STATIONARY AND, AND OTHER PROMOTION, MARKETING, UH, UH, ITEMS IN THIS CASE, DETAILS, PLEASE.
IN THIS CASE, THE, UM, SIGNED CABINET, THE, THE CIRCULAR J LOGO IS ABOUT 54 INCHES IN DIAMETER.
AGAIN, ILLUMINATED THE SAME WAY, UH, AND TO THE RIGHT, AGAIN, JON TOOLS, THIS IS AGAIN, FABRICATED METAL LETTERS, NON ILLUMINATED 2021 INCHES TALL.
SO ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE LOOSE CIRCLE WITH THE WHITE J IS 78 INCHES.
JUST SIMPLY BECAUSE THE SETUP OF THE FACADE, UH, UM, KEEP IT IN PROPORTION.
UM, WE'VE JUST, AND THE ARCHITECTS FELT THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE, THERE'S MORE SPACE, MORE OPEN SPACE TO PLACE A SLIGHTLY LARGER LOGO.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE RENDERING, YOU CAN SEE PRETTY YES, JUST THIS ONE.
JUST GO BACK TO THE WEST ELEVATION MEMBRANE.
SO ON, UH, JUST FELT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPRESSED.
SO THE SIGNAGE WAS, UH, KEPT SMALLER, SLIGHTLY SMALLER THAN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
AND ON THIS ONE, THE CIRCLE WITH THE J IS ALSO NON ILLUMINATED.
DURING THE DAY, OF COURSE, DURING THE DAY, ILLUMINATED THAT NIGHT? YES.
OR UNTIL, UH, IT TURNED OFF, WHICH YOUR IS AT 8, 9, 10 PM WHATEVER SIGN CODE.
I THINK THE BANK CODE SAYS FINE.
YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, EVEN IF YOU TURN, TURN IT ON DURING THE DAY, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LEDS ARE NOT THAT STRONG THAT YOU COULD SEE AN ILLUMINATION DURING THE DAY.
IT'S REALLY JUST VISIBLE DURING THE NIGHT.
SO THAT REALLY IS THE PROPOSAL, UH, THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO, THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD.
AND WE ARE OBVIOUSLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
MAYBE THE LAST THING, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYBODY'S AWARE OF THE AREA.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, A, A QUICK RUNDOWN OF, OF, UH, VIEW TO PRETTY MUCH EACH SIDE, EACH SIDE OF THE, THE BUILDING.
SO THIS IS THE FRONT, UH, A FEW MONTHS BACK BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION WAS FINISHED.
IF YOU GO DOWN, THIS IS THE REAR OF THE BUILDING AGAIN, BEFORE IT WAS FINISHED THERE, A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UH, THE VIEW FROM EACH SIDE OF THE BUILDING INTO THE, UH, AREA WHERE JONAH TOOLS IS LOCATED.
BUT THIS IS THE NORTH VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU LOOK NORTH, UH, FROM THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE.
SO ANOTHER, UM, UM, OFFICE BUILDING THERE, OTHER BUSINESS.
SO HERE WE ARE LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST, RIGHT FROM THE SIDES AGAIN, UH, JUST COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THERE MAINLY.
SO THAT'S THE NORTH VIEW FROM THE PROPERTY LOOKING.
SO ON THIS SIDE, I'M STANDING,
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I'M STANDING.SO IF THIS IS THE BUILDING, THE FIRST PICTURE, MAYBE ONE MORE TIME.
SO I'M LITERALLY STANDING HERE OF THE BUILDING LOOKING THIS WAY.
NOW IF YOU GO DOWN ONE PAGE, NOW I'M STANDING ON THE RIGHT LEFT HAND SIDE.
I'M STANDING HERE LOOKING NORTH.
THE RIGHT PICTURE SHOWS ME STANDING HERE LOOKING NORTH.
SO THAT WAS CONFUSING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AN EAST VIEW OF YOUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S FROM YOUR PROPERTY LOOKING AWAY.
THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WHAT YOUR BUILDING LOOKED LIKE.
I THOUGHT THE WHITE BUILDING IS THEIR BUILDING TOO.
SO NOW WE ARE STANDING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND LOOKING TO THE EAST.
NOW WE ARE STANDING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING LOOKING WEST PARKING LOT AND, AND TREES.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, NOW WE ARE LOOKING THIS WAY.
AND AGAIN, JUST TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE ENTIRE AREA IS A COMMERCIAL PARK WITH, UH, UH, BUILDINGS THAT MAINLY HOLD I OFFICE.
I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER, UH, UH, BUSINESS.
I KNOW THERE'S A BRILLIANT CAMPISI FURTHER BACK.
ALL, ALL BUSINESSES IN THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WHAT IS, WE ARE, AND WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT.
WHAT IS IT YOU NEED AND WHY DO YOU NEED THIS? THE OTHER BUILDINGS DON'T SEEM TO HAVE SIGNS AND CERTAINLY NOT SIGNS THAT ARE SIX FEET TALL AND ILLUMINATED.
UM, IS THIS A DESIGN FEATURE THAT YOU THINK WOULD LOOK GOOD? I, I, I HAVEN'T HEARD AN ARGUMENT FOR THE NEED FOR US TO MAKE YOU EXEMPT, MAKE THIS PROPERTY EXEMPT FROM THE LAW.
UM, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, UM, IF YOU ARE ON CLEAR BOOK ROAD NUMBER ONE, IT'S A, AN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS WITH A LOT OF OF, UH, SHIPPING AND RECEIVING TRAFFIC.
UH, AND THE BUILDING IS SET BACK AND FROM CLEAR BOOK ROAD, IT'S, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE IT IS TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN INTO THE AREA WHERE THIS BUILDING IS, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO, UH, THE ENTIRE BUILDING UNDERWENT A
UM, THERE IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING TO SAY, MAKE THIS BUILDING LOOK BETTER THAN IT IS, BECAUSE WITHOUT ANY OF THOSE FEATURES, IT WOULD JUST BE ALMOST LIKE A BLACK BOX.
UM, SO I THINK MY CLIENT IN THIS CASE ATTEMPTED TO, UH, OBVIOUSLY, UH, ELEVATE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.
UM, AND NUMBER THREE, UM, AS A, UM, INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, OBVIOUSLY THEY LIKE TO, UH, UH, DISPLAY THEIR, THEIR BRANDING.
UM, WHY THE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THAT PARK CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.
UH, I THINK I CAN'T, I CAN'T TALK TO THAT.
UH, I THINK THEY WOULD'VE BEEN FREE TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, UM, DISPLAY ANY SIGNAGE.
UM, AND, UH, UM, IN THIS CASE, I GUESS VISIBILITY, BRANDING AND ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS, UH, ARE THE MAIN FEATURES THE SIZING CERTAINLY HAS TO DO.
AND IF YOU SAW, UH, THE OTHER BUILDINGS, THEY ARE USUALLY JUST ONE STORY BUILDING BUILDINGS.
THIS ONE IS SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, TALLER.
UM, AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT SIGNAGE OF THIS SIZE ON THIS VERY LARGE BUILDING, UH, WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK, UH, APPROPRIATE.
I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
WELL, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
UH, SHOW HER TOOLS IS AN INTERNATIONAL COMPANY.
I'VE NEVER HEARD OF YOU, SO I'M WONDERING, THAT'S WHY I WANT THE SIGNS.
SO THE BUSINESS WAS FOUNDED IN 1958, UM, AND IT'S HAD A RESURGENCE SINCE COVID.
AND IT'S, AND IT'S, UM, PRIMARILY IN THE BUSINESS OF, UM, FIBER OPTICS.
SO WE SELL A LOT OF TOOLS TO THE FIBER OPTIC INDUSTRY.
AND, UM, SINCE COVID AND THE FIBER DEPLOYMENT THROUGHOUT REALLY THE WORLD AND A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES GOING REMOTE AT THE TIME, OUR BUSINESS REALLY GREW TREMENDOUSLY, UM,
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IN THE LAST FIVE, SIX YEARS.UH, BUT WE RENTED SPACE IN THIS CORPORATE PARK, UH, FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO.
AND WE PURCHASED THIS BUILDING IN 2021 THROUGH OUR EXPANSION.
AND NOW WE'RE IN, UH, THE FACILITY AT 75 CLEAR.
AND WHEN I, WHEN I HEAR TOOLS, I THINK OF HAMMERS AND WRENCHES.
SO YOU'RE SAYING FIBER OPTICS? YEAH, AND A LOT OF, UM, OUR STRIPPERS AND, UM, SCREWDRIVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ARE ON HOME DEPOT.COM AND GO, GO THROUGH IT AND FEEL FREE TO LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE AND SEE EVERYTHING THAT WE DO SELL.
AND, UH, ALL OUR DISTRIBUTORS ARE LISTED ON OUR WEBSITE ON ALL THE TOOLS THAT YOU CLICK THROUGH.
THIS IS NOT A RETAIL LOCATION, THOUGH.
AND IN THIS, YOU SAID YOU OWN THE BUILDING.
DOES THE CORPORATE PARK HAVE ANY, UH, TYPE OF, UH, BOARD OR, UH, THE CORPORATE PARK SEEM, I THINK WAS BUILT AS ONE UNIT.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY DON'T OWN IT AS ONE UNIT ANYMORE? SO, SO WE, WE OWN THE BUILDING.
WE DO HAVE A CONDOMINIUM AGREEMENT WITH ROBERT MARTIN FOR SOME SHARED SERVICES, UM, ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE THEY HAD THOSE CONTRACTS WITH THOSE VENDORS THAT, YOU KNOW, DO THE LANDSCAPING, JUST THE SNOW REMOVAL, DO THAT SORT OF THING.
AND THOSE CONTRACTS WERE IN PLACE AND THEY TOOK CARE OF THE BUILDING.
AND NOW THAT WE OWN IT, WE'VE CONTINUED ON WITH THAT.
SO WE DO PAY A COMMON CHARGE TO, TO ROBERT MARTIN SO THAT WE CONTINUE THOSE SERVICES.
AND THAT'S THE REALLY THE ONLY CONNECTION WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT.
JUDGE, YOUR AGREEMENT REQUIRE YOU TO RUN YOUR ASSIGNMENT BY THEM AS THE CO-OP? UH, I DO NOT BELIEVE SO, NO.
HAVE YOU SHOWN IT TO THEM? UH, I, I HAVE NOT.
MAYBE I, I DON'T KNOW IF PETER HAS, OR NO, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS, I MEAN, THIS, THE WHOLE, UM, THE SIGNAGE WASN'T PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT.
CAN YOU SIT IN THIS CHAIR? OH, YES, I CAN.
UM, THE SIGNAGE WAS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT SET, SO IT, IT HAS BEEN VISIBLE.
WE'VE HAD RENDERINGS OF THIS PROJECT, SO FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
SO, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THAT THAT THEY'VE SEEN IT, I, I CAN'T SPEAK ON THAT.
BUT, UM, THE SIGNAGE HAS BEEN PART OF THE PROJECT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
JUST SOME, SOME, SOME, I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PART, I KNOW PART, RIGHT.
THEY'RE A BIG COMPANY AROUND HERE, BUT THEY'RE NOT, UH, IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU'RE IN A CO-OP WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET THE DOOR OF YOUR COLOR, OF YOUR DOOR RIGHT.
AND THEY DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
IS THERE ANOTHER BUILDING IN THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S, UH, ASSIGNED IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO THE WAY THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, AS, AS WE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS THEIR HEADQUARTERS.
SO, UM, AS ARCHITECTS, OUR JOB WAS REALLY TO DESIGN THIS TO THE, THE HIGHEST, THE BEST QUALITY THAT WE CAN, AND MAKE THE SIGNS AS VISIBLE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WE DID A LOT OF STUDIES BASED ON THE FACADE, UM, BREAKING IT UP BECAUSE IT IS A LARGE, UM, A LARGE WIDTH.
AND SO HAVING THE SIGNS AT THOSE, UH, SIZES WAS, UH, THROUGH DESIGN EXERCISES.
AND IN TERMS OF, UM, THE RATIO OF THE SIGN, THIS IS WHAT LOOKED BEST IN OUR PERSONAL OPINION.
SO I SEE THAT YOU DO HAVE LIKE A BAND YES.
YOU AS AN ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL.
AND THAT'S NOT PART OF THE SIGNAGE, THAT'S JUST ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL.
IS THIS THE OLD THEATER BUILDING? YES, IT IS.
HOW FAR BACK ARE YOU SET FROM CLEAR APPROVAL FROM THE, UH, EXCEPT THE ACCESS ROAD.
I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THREE, 400 YARDS FROM THAT CORNER.
AND ARE YOU GO, DO YOU HAVE A HIGH LAWN SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE OFF THE STREET? THERE IS A, THERE IS A, UM, UM, AREA DIRECTORY SIGN THAT LISTS OTHER TENANTS IN THAT AREA, WHICH HAS LITTLE SLEDS THAT ARE MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE INCHES TALL, WHICH HAVE JUST SIMPLY
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THE NAME ON IT.BUT YOU REALLY HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE SIGNS THAT, YEAH, IT'S THERE, THERE IS A DIRECTORY.
BUT, UH, I THINK SINCE THERE WILL BE A LOT OF, THERE IS TRAFFIC OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, TRUCKS, ET CETERA, THAT ARE NOT USING THIS, UH, CONSISTENTLY, YOU WILL GET LOST.
NO, I HAVE, IT'S, IT'S, BUT IT'S THE NATURE OF ACCOUNT.
IT'S, YEAH, FOR CERTAIN EXTENT.
WE, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, YOU INTERVIEW A NEW EMPLOYEE, YOU HAVE SOME, THEY YOU STICK REALLY IN OUR OLD LOCATION, TRY TO FIND IT.
AND THEY WOULD BE, EVEN WHEN I, WHEN I INTERVIEWED, IT WAS LIKE, WHERE DO I GO? OH, IT, IT'S, IT'S CONFUSED.
THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE CONCEPT THEN.
AND I, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY WERE CONTROLLING EVERYTHING, THEY WANTED TO BE SOMEWHAT ANONYMOUS BUILDINGS IN A CORPORATE PARK, UM, AS OPPOSED WHOEVER DEVELOPED THIS, THIS IS A BIG COMPLEX AND THERE'S A LOT OF BUILDINGS THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY THERE.
AND WHEN THERE WAS A, I WAS JUST LOOKING BACK WHEN THE THEATER WAS THERE AND THE THEATER WAS THERE, IT HAD A, A BROADWAY LIKE AWNING.
LIKE YOU WERE GOING INTO A NEW YORK CITY APARTMENT HOUSE, BUT IT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BUILDING.
BUILDING WAS DIFFERENT, BUT LOTS OF PEOPLE WOULD, IT'S BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT WAS, IT'S, IT, THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT BRANDED LIKE THIS SEEMS TO BE VERY INTENTIONAL.
THAT, BUT THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING HAS CHANGED COMPLETELY NOW WITH THE, WITH THE RENOVATION BECAUSE THE THEATER LOOK VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
AS HAS THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING
THERE'S ANYONE, ANYONE HERE WHO IS, HAS ANY THANK YOU.
SAY WITH RESPECT TO THIS CASE.
NEXT IS, SO YOU SAID WE CAN LISTEN TO THE DELIBERATION LATER ON? YEAH.
WE JUST GONNA KIND OF SIT OH YEAH, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
STEVEN, HOW DO I SAY IT? EFFICIENT.
I'M THE ATTORNEY, UM, FOR THE PROJECT FOR THE OWNERS.
BOTH OWNERS ARE HERE, UH, WITH THEIR LOVELY DAUGHTER.
AND WE ARE ALSO JOINED BY OUR ARCHITECT, MR. SHAHEEN.
UM, SHAHEEN CAN JUMP UP AND ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AS IT RELATES TO THE DESIGN.
UM, BUT MADAM CHAIRMAN, IT'S NICE TO BE HERE.
HELLO TO YOU AND TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, TO YOUR WONDERFUL STAFF.
THANK YOU, UH, CAROL, FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR A, ULTIMATELY THE GOAL OF THIS PROJECT IS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF A POOL ON MOUNT PLEASANT LANE.
A BEAUTIFUL PART OF IRVINGTON.
ONE THAT I'VE NEVER KNOWN ABOUT.
A LOT OF BEAUTIFUL HOUSES OVER OUR BEAUTIFUL YARDS.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON GOOGLE EARTH, YOU SEE A NICE RESIDENCE, A BEAUTIFUL RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT TO OUR SOUTH, THERE IS A SIMILARLY SITUATED POOL CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
WHAT THE OWNERS ARE PROPOSING IS ACTUALLY WE'RE HERE, EVEN THOUGH THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION,
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WE ARE HERE FOR THE LEGALIZATION OF THREE CONDITIONS.WHEN WE WENT FOR THE PERMIT FOR THE POOL, THE BILLING DEPARTMENT WANT, UH, REALIZED THAT THERE WERE THREE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT NEEDED TO BE LEGALIZED.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CONCEPT OF A LEGALIZATION RIGHT, WE HAVE THE SHED STRUCTURE THAT IS IN PLACE THERE HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS.
I MEAN, THE OWNERS BOUGHT THIS RESIDENCE 15 YEARS AGO, AND IT ACTUALLY WAS THERE PROBABLY LONGER THAN 15 YEARS.
IT GOES BACK INTO THE NINETIES.
'CAUSE THE OWNER THAT SOLD THAT HOUSE TO THE CURRENT OWNERS HAD THE SHED WAS EXISTING AT THAT TIME.
SO WE DO HAVE THE INSTALLATION OF THE CONCRETE PATIO.
THERE'S A COVERING THERE TO IT.
AND OUT OF THAT, WITH THE INSPECTION RELATED TO THE POOL, UM, THAT'S THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS DETERMINED THAT WE NEED THESE THREE LEGALIZATION VARIANCES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LEGALIZATION CONCEPT AND YOU REALIZE THAT IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 15 YEARS OR LONGER, AND YOU ASK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, ARE THERE ANY COMPLAINTS AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEEN AN UPROAR? HAS ANYONE, UH, COMING FORWARD AND YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE NO COMPLAINTS FROM THE BILLING DEPARTMENT.
ALSO COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT THERE WERE FOUR LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS, RIGHT.
THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT PROPERTY ORDERS.
UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT OBJECTING.
WE DID GET SOMETHING OF A SOMEWHAT OBJECTION FROM SOMEONE.
THERE WAS A COMMENT SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD.
THE PERSON WHO SUBMITTED THE COMMENT DID ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WERE NOT AN IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR, BUT THEY RAISED SORT OF A CONCEPTUAL OBJECTION.
I THINK THEY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, CAN YOU BRING UP WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OH, WHAT ARE THE SURE.
UM, SO RATHER THAN HAVING IT BE CONCEPTUAL, WE CAN ACTUALLY POINT TO IT AND SEE WHERE IT IS.
WE COULD, I GUESS, JUST BRING UP THE OR SHEET OF WELL, WHERE'S THE SHED? THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M RIGHT.
I'M, I'M, THEY WOULD BE HELPFUL IF I COULD SEE WHERE THE SHED IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND SO IS THIS THE PROPOSED OR IF EXISTING? I DON'T SEE S**T ON THIS ONE.
SO PLAN TO RIGHT, PLAN TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOUSE.
IF YOU JUST, SO THERE WE'RE, SO THERE'S THE HOUSE PROPER, RIGHT? YOU SEE THAT? SO YOU'RE COMING OFF OF MOUNT PLEASANT LANE INTO THE DRIVEWAY.
THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS THERE IN THE FRONT.
THEN BEHIND THAT YOU HAVE THE, UM, WHAT IS THAT? THE, THAT'S THE PATIO, STEVE, TO THE RIGHT.
TO THE RIGHT OVER THE ARROW IS MM-HMM
AND THEN ALL OVER TO THE RIGHT IS THE SHED.
WELL, YOU SEE, SEE THAT ALL THE WAY DOWN? THAT'S WHERE THAT'S, THAT'S THE SHED.
SO, UM, SORRY, COULD YOU, UM, POINT STAND UP AND POINT SURE.
EITHER GONNA GET ELECTROCUTED OR THE WHOLE BUILDING'S GONNA GO DOWN.
SO HERE, WHEN YOU COME OFF OF MOUNT PLEASANT, FIRST OF ALL, YOU SEE HERE THERE'S LOTS.
THESE, ALL THESE HOUSES IN THE YARDS HAVE GREAT SCREENING, GREAT PRIVACY SCREENING.
AND THAT, THAT OF COURSE IS A SIGNIFICANT DETAIL FOR THIS APPLICATION.
SO WHEN YOU COME HERE, YOU SEE THIS NICE SCREENING ON BOTH SIDES.
THE DETAILS WITH THE TREES COMING UP MOUNT PLEASANT, YOU MAKE A LEFT.
IF YOU'RE COMING UP INTO THE HOUSE, HERE'S THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE PROPER.
OKAY? THERE'S A DECK ON IT, RIGHT? THIS IS THE LITTLE CONCRETE PATIO WALKWAY.
AND HERE IS THE, THIS IS THE SHED, CORRECT? STEVEN? YES IT IS.
SO HERE'S THE, SO THI THIS IS ALL RIGHT NOW EXISTING.
YOU JUST, YOU HAD CONFUSED ME WHEN YOU SAID THE SHED WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, TO THE HOUSE.
THAT WAS A PRECISE, THAT WAS A PRECISE, AND THERE'S A, I THINK, I THINK ON THE MAP ADJACENT TO THE, ON THE DESK MAP TO THE LEFT, THERE'S A SHED ON THE LEFT.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT SHEDS ON DIFFERENT MAPS.
SO THIS IS THE ONE 'CAUSE THAT SAYS THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS THAT SHED'S NOT THERE, THAT ONE DOESN'T IGNORE THAT GUY.
THAT, THAT SHED ON THE OTHER SIDE DOESN'T NEED ANY VARIANCES.
THAT THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION.
BUT THAT'S, IT IS EXISTING, RIGHT? WELL, IT'S NOT APPEARING ON BOTH DRAWINGS.
THIS
I MADE SHAHEEN VITAL TOOLS IN PLACE WHILE YORK
UH, SO I'M THE ENGINEER FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, THOUGH THOUGH THE SHED IS DEPICTED AS NEW, IT IS BEING LEGALIZED, BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE VARIANCES.
WHICH ONE? THE, ON THE LEFT, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PAGE.
IF WE'RE LOOKING FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE LEFT.
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SO THIS THE SHED HERE, RIGHT? THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.SO IN REFERENCE TO THAT, SHED THOUGH IT IS LEGALIZATION, IT IS NOT SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION AS, AS IT IS ZONING COMPLIANT IN ITS POSITIONING.
SO THERE IS, THERE ARE TWO SHEDS ON THE PROPERTY OR MORE, AND YOU ARE ONLY TRYING TO LEGALIZE ONE OF THEM.
WELL, WE ONLY NEED TO LEGALIZE.
WELL, IT, IT SAYS HERE ON THE, THE FIRST DRAWING LEGALIZE FRAME SHED TO BE LOCATED.
WHERE'S IT GOING? I THOUGHT I ANSWER THE QUESTION.
THE, THE SHED ON THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE SAYING IS CURRENTLY LEGAL.
THAT DOESN'T SHOW, IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THE SECOND DRAWING OF THE ONES YOU HAVE UPDATED.
IT SAYS IT'S NOTED FRAME SHED TO BE RELOCATED.
WHERE IS IT ON THE SECOND DRAWING? SO, SO, SO THERE ARE TWO STRUCTURES DISPLAYED ON THE LEFT.
SO THERE THERE'LL BE A TOTAL OF TWO SHEDS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
SO THERE'S ONE BEING REMOVED AND ONE WHICH IS COMPLIANT AND BEING MAINTAINED.
SO AS IT RELATES, WHERE IS THE ONE THAT'S BEING REMOVED? WHERE IS IT BEING? IT MAY POINT.
IT, IT DOESN'T SAY, IT SAYS BEING RELOCATED.
AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE DRAWING, I SEE A FRAME SHADE.
AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 0.9 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY NAME.
THE, THE RIGHT FRAME SHED IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO LEGALIZE THE SHED ON THE LEFT IS THE ONE THAT THEY'RE RELOCATING OR REMOVING? WE, YEAH, I THINK THE NOMENCLATURE IS, IS INCORRECT ON THE DRAWING.
UM, THEY'RE REMOVING THAT SHED, WE YOU RELOCATING IN THE SENSE THAT ONE SHED WAS HERE AND NOW A SHED WILL BE HERE.
I THINK JUST WE USED THE WRONG WORDING THAT, BUT THIS SAYS WHAT THIS SAYS EXISTING, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, THE SHED ON THE RIGHT SAYS IT'S ON AN EXISTING PLANT.
AND THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS GOING TO BE REMOVED, BUT IT SAYS RELOCATED IT, IT PUT UP HERE ON THE EXISTING PLAN BUT DOES NOT.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED PLAN.
THIS ISN'T THE PROPOSED, THIS IS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE RIGHT.
AT AT THE, AT CONCLUSION THAT SHED IS NOT DEPICTED.
'CAUSE THE SHED'S NOT GONNA BE THERE ANYMORE.
SO THIS IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
THE PLAN IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET APPROVED.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITION WOULD BE FOLLOWING THE APPROVAL FUTURE CONDITIONS.
THAT'S IF IT WERE TO BE LEGALIZED.
I, I'M, I'M PLEASE EXCUSE THE MISLABELING PROPOSED CONDITIONS.
BOTH OF THEM ARE THERE RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? YES.
THE ONE ON THE LEFT ISN'T THERE? THEY WERE, WE WERE ASKED TO WRITE, TO DRAW THAT.
RIGHT NOW WE, BECAUSE ON THE SURVEY IT SHOWS THAT, AND THE SURVEY, IT SHOWS THAT IT'S THERE AND THEN, BUT I REMOVED IT IN, SO NOW WE HAVE TO SHOW IT LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO.
SO IT'S, IT'S TO BE SO IT'S NOT BEING RELOCATED.
THE JUST THE, THE, THE ERROR IS IN THE DRAWING AND THAT IS THE WORD RELOCATED SHOULD BE CHANGED TO REMOVE.
IS THAT TO BE HAS BEEN, YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS BEEN REMOVED? YES.
AND YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS BEEN REMOVED? THEY SAID IT WAS REMOVED.
SO IT WASN'T THAT I WAS
BUT THE SHED ON THE LEFT MAY BE, IT MIGHT HAVE CAUSED A LITTLE CONFUSION, BUT IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION.
ESPECIALLY SINCE THE FACT THAT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BILLING DEPARTMENT, WITH THEIR REQUEST, THE SHED ON THE LEFT IS NOW AND THE SWING SET TO BE RELOCATED.
IS IT STILL THERE OR IS IT AT THE LOCATION THAT SAYS TO BE LEGALIZED? I, I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE SITE VERY RECENTLY, SO I DO HAVE TO THE LEFT.
IS THAT IT? HAS IT BEEN INCHED OVER? HAS IT BEEN MOVED YET? NO, NO, NO, IT HAS NOT.
'CAUSE IT SAYS, IT SAYS THIS ONE SAYS TO BE LEGALIZED.
SO IT ADD, THERE'S ANOTHER ONE HERE.
THERE WAS, THIS IS THE ORIGINAL CONDITION PLAN OF THE LAST RECORD THAT'S WITHIN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
IT'S NOT AN ACCURATE CONDITION OF THE SITE.
IT'S JUST WHAT WAS THE LAST, THIS IS, THIS SITE SAYS IT'S THE EXISTING CONDITION.
SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT'S THE, WHAT'S THE EXISTING CONDITION? IT'S THE FINAL EXISTING CONDITION THAT WE WOULD NOT, IT'S FI IT'S YOUR DESIRE.
EXACTLY WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M WHAT I MEAN, YES.
SO THE SWING SET HAS ALREADY BEEN MOVED TO A LOCATION THAT IS NOT LEGAL.
IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? NOT REALLY.
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THETHIS PLAN IS JUST DEPICTING WHAT WAS THE LAST IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RECORDS AS, AS HE'S RELATED.
THE SWING SET WAS NEVER IN THAT LOCATION AT THE TIME THAT HE, UH, WAS THERE.
IT JUST THAT, THAT'S THE LAST RECORD JUST PLAYING A SWING SET THERE.
NOW THERE IS A SWING SET IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.
AND SO WE LABELED THE DRAWING AS SAYING THE SWING SET WAS RELOCATED.
BUT IN ESSENCE, IT IS A DIFFERENT SWING SET.
WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE SHED THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO LEGALIZE? NOW? SWING SET IS HERE IT IS 443 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT'S ALREADY BEEN MOVED TO WHERE IT'S NOT, WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR, IT WAS MOVED TO WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO DO THAT.
THE SWING SET COMPLIES WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS AND WITH HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS AND SUCH.
SO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL CONFIRM THAT THE LOCATION OF THE SWING SET IS COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE.
SO THE SWING SET WAS NOT FLAGGED AS A VARIANCE REQUIREMENT.
BUT WHAT I SEE, WHICH IS CONFUSING TO ME, IS THAT THE POOL HOUSE, WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THAT UP YET, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO LEGALIZE BECAUSE IT'S 12 FEET FROM THE REQUIRED DISTANCE.
SO THAT'S WHERE IS IT THIS, SHOULD WE GO TO A DIFFERENT PLAN? WHERE'S THE PROPOSED BIKE PLAN THAT'S ON ONE MORE PAGE OVER FROM THE TWO SIDED PLAN? THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO THIS IS YOUR PROPOSED PLAN? YES.
AND SO THAT SHED EFFECTIVELY BECOMES, WELL THE, WHAT'S LABELED AS THE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT? THE POOL HOUSE STORAGE OF EQUIPMENT STORAGE OR, AND IT HAS TO BE LEGALIZED.
SO IT'S ALL THIS, AND IT HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET.
YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURE ITSELF DOES CURRENTLY EXIST, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO, TO REPURPOSE IT FROM A TOOL SHED TO A POOL SHED ESSENTIALLY AS A PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WAS IT MADE, WHEN DID IT INCREASE IN SIZE FROM 182 SQUARE FEET TO FOUR FIVE? I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UH, SIX YEARS AGO.
AND DID THE USE OF IT CHANGE THEN, OR IS IT JUST, WHAT IS IT USED FOR? JUST THE GARDEN POOL AND, AND TOYS.
AND YOU DECIDED TO BUY A NEW SHED? IS THAT YOU WANTED TO I, I TOOK THE, THE OTHER SHED THAT WAS IN THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY AND, AND COMBINED IT WITH THE WORK ON THE RIGHT.
THAT'S WHERE THE USER COMING IN.
AND FOR REFERENCES IS A VERY HANDY PERSON HAS DONE A LOT OF THIS, UH, WORK AS WELL.
THE HIMSELF DEVELOP THAT, UH, BASE.
SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT ON THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN CONTAINS BOTH THE DEPICTION OF WHAT'S DESIRED IN TERMS OF THE POOL AND THE AREA AROUND THE POOL.
AND THEN RIGHT TO THE IMMEDIATE RIGHT, THAT POOL HOUSE, WHICH WE'VE, UP UNTIL NOW, WE'VE BEEN CALLING THE SHED.
IT'S NOW EXISTING AND IT'S GONNA BE REPURPOSED, BE EMPTIED OF THE TOOLS AND USED FOR STORAGE OF THE, OF THE, THIS IS THIS FRAME, FRAME SHED 443 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S WHAT, AND THIS, THIS IS A NICE, BRING US BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ONE WHERE WE STARTED OUT.
THIS HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE ENLARGE FOR AT LEAST SIX YEARS.
WE DO HAVE THE SUPPORT FROM THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS RELATING TO THE EXISTENCE OF THIS SHED.
AND THERE'S PLENTY OF NICE SCREENING, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, DEPICTED ON THE PLAN THAT GOES UP ALONG THE LINE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IN TERMS OF ANY IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE ARE NO COMPLAINTS INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THE IMPACT INTO THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE CREATION OF A DELETERIOUS OR NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
THAT'S NOT THE CASE WITH THE EXISTENCE OF THE STRUCTURE, WITH NO COMPLAINTS COMING IN AND WITH THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SEE EVEN FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
THE NEIGHBOR WHO SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT BECAUSE OF THE SCREENING, WE'RE JUST HERE TO, TO SEEK THE LEGALIZATION OF THIS SHED, WHICH IS, LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR SIX YEARS.
WELL, IT'S BEEN IN LARGE SIX YEARS AGO, BUT IT'S BEEN, THE SHED ITSELF WAS IN EXISTENCE FOR OVER, FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS.
BUT GOING BACK TO THE NINETIES, IT WAS THERE.
SO THAT PROXIMITY TO THE PROPERTY LINE HAS NEVER BEEN A NEGATIVE ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBORS.
SO ALL THREE VARIANCES ARE RELATED TO THIS BULL SHED? NOT THE SHED? NO.
ALL THE VARI ONE IS FOR THE, YOU SEE THE, UM, THE ACCESSORY, THE POOL HOUSE, THAT'S THE SHED.
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ONE IS THE EXISTENCE FROM UH, TWO FOR THE POOL HOUSE, AND THEN ONE IS THE CONCRETE PATIO.CAN YOU POINT OUT THE CONCRETE PATIO? SO THE, THAT, THAT'S THIS AREA HERE THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
WHAT IS IT LABELED HERE? IT'S LABELED AS A PAVERS PATIO ON THE PLAN.
THAT ALSO IS IN EXISTENCE AND EVEN LESS VISIBLE.
AND IT'S FROM ANY NEIGHBOR? IT, IT'S ON GRADE.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY AN IMPROVEMENT.
CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET, CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
COULD YOU GO AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL INTERNAL, SORRY SIR.
THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL INTERNAL SCREENING ON THE PROPERTY AROUND THAT, UH, PAVER AREA.
AND SO IT'S THE SECOND LAYER OF SCREENING FOR PRICE.
SO WE'RE SAYING IT'S GOING FROM 10 FEET TO 7.4 FEET.
CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THAT PROBLEM IS? THE PATIO, WHERE THE POOL EQUIPMENT IS? THAT POOL PATIO IS THE ONE THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE.
YEAH, THAT'S MAKES YOUR PATIO PORTION, YOUR PATIO PORTION HERE WHERE THE POOL EQUIPMENT.
OH, I HAS THAT BACKWARDS THEN.
OH, SO THE, THE, SO WHERE THE POOL EQUIPMENT PATIO IS, IS 7.4 FEET.
AND THEN THAT PORTION OF THE SHED THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT HAS TO BE, THAT'S 0.9.
SO THESE ARE ALL IN THAT SAME BED AREA, BUT OKAY, THAT MAKES THEN I HAD, THEN I HAD THAT.
SO IT'S ON THE RIGHT AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, IT'S ON THE, EVERYTHING'S TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE, THE POOL, THAT WHOLE AREA THERE.
BUT THIS ISN'T THE TIME FOR YOU TO GET IT.
IIII WAS ALWAYS YEAH, I GET THAT.
I MEAN, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS THE OTHER, THE OTHER PATIO I MADE A MISTAKE.
BUT HE OR SHAHEEN ISS POINTING OUT THAT THE NEW, THE NEW CREATION OF THE CONCRETE PAD AROUND THE POOL ITSELF IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE VARIANCE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE SHED STRUCTURE.
PROBABLY BE MORE VISIBLE ON THIS.
I JUST FILLED IT IN A TINY BIT ON THE PLAN, IF THAT HELPS.
THAT'S THE VARIANCE AREA ON THE PATIO THERE.
BUT MOST OF THAT STRUCTURE, ARE THERE ANY TWO THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T UNDERSTAND AND I HAVE NOT EXPRESSED CLEARLY TO US? NO, I BELIEVE SO.
ARE THERE
THAT PATIO IS REQUIRED TO BE 10 FEET AWAY FROM THE LOT LINES.
SO BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE PATIO, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO CALL OUT THE REFUSAL.
WHY IS THIS LOCATED HERE? OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THERE WAS ORIGINALLY A TOOL SHED THERE? I GET IT.
WHY IS IT NOT RELOCATED AT THE FAR AB OF THE POOL OR SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT IS LEGAL? LIKE THE LEFT SIDE OF THE POOL? UM, UP THE TOP, BUT LIKE RIGHT THERE? NO, I MEAN THE LEFT SIDE OR TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE POOL OR TO THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL.
IT'S THE ONE LOCATION THAT IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING LAWS IS THE ONE PLACE THAT IT WAS.
AND THERE'S LAND ALL AROUND ON ALL THREE OTHER SIDES THAT COULD ACCOMMODATE THIS.
SO I'M CURIOUS AS WHY THIS IS BEING PUT IN THIS ONE, THE ONLY LOCATION ON THE ENTIRE SITE THAT IT DOESN'T COMPLY.
WELL, AGAIN, IT ALL STARTS FROM THE EXISTING STRUCTURE OF, OF THE POOL HOUSE.
THE SHOULD, THE SHOULD THAT REPURPOSING IT TO THE POOL HOUSE.
SO THAT'S EXHIBIT THE TOOL SHED.
WELL, IT SHED ON A CONCRETE THEN THE CONCRETE, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT WAS TWO TOOL SHEDS.
SO THE CONCRETE SLAB HAS BEEN IN, THE SIZE HAS BEEN INCREASED, AND THE SECOND SHED WAS ATTACHED TO THE TOILET.
IT WAS ADDED IN THE SIX YEARS AGO WHEN THEY DID THE CONCRETE FLOOR AT HOME.
SO NOW THAT THE SHED IS THERE AND THE SHED IS IN EXISTENCE, DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF THE SHED? UH, HOLD, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SUBMITTED A PICTURE.
LET SEE, I BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT YOU HAVE THE SHED HERE IN EXISTENCE.
THE DESIGN AND FUNCTIONALITY FOR
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THE POOL GROWS OUT AWAY FROM THAT SHED.I, I SEE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S A REASON.
I I THINK IT'S A BETTER LOCATION PERSONALLY IF YOU PUT IT IN THE LEFT, I THINK IT RUINS THE WHOLE LAWN.
AND IF YOU PUT IT BE BEHIND THE POOL YEAH.
AND YOU'RE GONNA GET INTO LIKE A STEEP SLOPE SITUATION.
SO BEHIND THE POOL IS A TOPOGRAPHY ISSUE.
SO WHERE, WHERE IT WAS LOCATED JUST IS THE BEST.
IT CAN ALSO MITIGATE, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN IT IS, THAN THE POOL TOPOGRAPHY IF, IF IT'S HERE, RIGHT.
BUT LIKE THE OWNER IS SAYING THIS, THIS THE LOCATION, IT'S DESIRABLE TO LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS FOR WELL BEFORE AESTHETICS.
HAVING IT TO THE RIGHT TO STAY WHERE IT IS AND BEING EXISTING DOESN'T BLOCK THE VIEW FROM THE HOUSE OUT TO THE POOL.
IT DOESN'T CREATE A VISUAL DISTURBANCE BEHIND THE POOL UP IN THIS BEAUTIFUL OPEN SPACE HERE IN THE YARD.
THIS, BUT IT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT MAY BE THE VERSION OF THE AESTHETIC.
AND I, I GET IT, I UNDERSTAND IT.
BUT THE LAW IS, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT THERE'S A BALANCING TEST.
THE LAW IS THAT IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU COME FOR A VARIANCE, ESPECIALLY FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, YOU HAVE TO WEIGH EVERYTHING.
IT'S NOT JUST A QUESTION OF IF IT'S LEGAL OR NOT.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE PARTS, RIGHT, WHICH YOUR, YOUR BOARD WILL DELIBERATE UPON IN WAY TO WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT THE VARIANCE, THE, THE, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO CREATE, UH, A DISTURBANCE CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT CERTAINLY IS NOT, THERE ISN'T, THERE ARE TWO POOLS IN THE DIRECTIVITY.
IS IT IMPORTANT FOR US TO GO THROUGH THE, I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY INSTALLING THE POOL HERE.
AND THE EXISTING SHED DOESN'T CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S EXISTING.
AND THE NEIGHBORS, THE DIRECTLY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS HAVE SUBMITTED LETTERS OF SUPPORT.
SO IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBOR.
IT'S NOT GOING TO INTRODUCE A, UM, A NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S NOT GOING TO, IN TERMS OF THE FEASIBILITY, IN TERMS OF THE, UM, SUBSTANTIALITY TWO, OUTTA THE THREE VARIANCES REALLY AREN'T SUBSTANTIAL.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT ONE, IT JUMPS OFF THE PAGE THAT 0.9.
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE EXISTING CONDITION AND THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO COMPLAINTS THAT MITIGATES THAT PORTION, THE SELF-CREATED TESTT AND THE PRONG OF COURSE IS ALWAYS A SELF-CREATED.
BUT THAT, AS YOU WELL KNOW, THE BOARD WEIGHS THAT TO THE LEAST WEIGHT.
THESE ARE ALL YOUR PERCEPTION OF, I I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHEN YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT AN ISSUE, THAT'S YOUR PERCEPTION AND YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SAY IT THAT WAY.
WELL, WHEN WE LOOK, WHEN I SAY IT'S NOT AN ISSUE, THAT'S JUST NOT, I'M NOT ARBITRARILY WRITING THAT THIN AIR.
WE LOOK TO THE RECORD, WE LOOK TO, OKAY, IF IT'S AN ISSUE, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL SEE IF THIS IS AN ISSUE, HOW ARE THE NEIGHBORS REACT? IS THIS CAUSING A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS? SO WE HAVE THE NEIGHBOR'S SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, AND IN FACT, GOING BACK TO THAT COMMENT I MADE EARLIER ABOUT THE, JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT SOMETHING IS CURRENTLY THERE.
WE MUST CONSIDER EACH APPLICATION AS THOUGH WE'RE SOMETHING BRAND NEW.
AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS FOR ANYONE IN DOING THAT.
THESE ARE THINGS WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS, IF THIS DIDN'T EXIST, WOULD WE ALLOW, ALLOWED? I WOULD HAVE TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
I MEAN, I THINK THE LAW DOES ALLOW YOU TO CONSIDER IT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING A CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I REPRESENT SOMEONE, I'M ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE.
THE LAW DOES ALLOW YOU TO CONSIDER WHEN YOU'RE DOING AN ANALYSIS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU WILL CERTAINLY ALLOWED TO CONSIDER EXISTING OFFICIAL, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT THE NEIGHBORS, THE DIRECTLY AFFECTED, ADJACENT NEIGHBORS ARE TELLING THIS BOARD THAT THEY DO NOT BELIEVE YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION WILL CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT IS IMPORTANT EVIDENCE ON WHICH YOU WILL MAKE A DECISION.
THE POOL IS PROPOSED, PROPOSED THE POOL FOR DOING THAT.
THE POOL AND THE P AROUND THE POOL.
AND EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE PORTION OF THAT WALKWAY WHERE THE POOL EQUIPMENT IS, THE POOL IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE VARIANCE.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT IT'S NOT SUBJECT.
I'M NOT ANSWERING THE ATTORNEY'S QUESTION.
NO ONE
THE EQUIPMENT WOULD BE INSTALLED IN YES.
AND UM, FULL EQUIPMENT IS WITHIN THE SET REQUIRED SETBACK.
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YES.WELL, EXCEPT FOR NO, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE.
EXCEPT FOR ONE, ONE SMALL PORTION ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET.
NOT, AND THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE IN TERMS OF WHY IT'S NECESSARY OR MORE DESIRABLE TO LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS, IS BRINGING POWER OUT TO THAT STRUCTURE.
IT'S MUCH LESS, MUCH LESS DESER, NO POWER, MUCH LESS DISTURBANCE TO BRING POWER OUT FOR ALL THAT EQUIPMENT.
SO IF IT'S LOCATED WHERE IT IS NOW, OKAY, SO THERE'S NO POWER.
IS THERE ANY POWER IN THE SHED OR THE LIGHT? THERE'S NO POWER THERE NOW.
SO POWER IS GONNA BE BROUGHT OUT TO, UH, UH, TO, TO, FOR THE POOL EQUIPMENT.
AND FOR THE LIGHTING WITHIN THE, YOU YOU DID, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS.
THE, UH, LIGHTING FEATURES FOR THAT.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S A CONCRETE BED WITH A WOODEN SHED ON IT.
THERE IS NO POWER, NO POOL, NOTHING.
IS THERE ANY WATER TO THE SHED? THERE IS, UH, THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER HERE IS THE SIZE OF THE LOT.
THIS IS THE SECOND BIGGEST LOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THE SIZE OF THE LOT ABSORBS THE STRUCTURE VERY WELL.
IT'S NICE AND DISCREET OFF TO THE SIDE.
IT, IT'S THE MOST AESTHETICALLY BENEFICIAL LOCATION FOR THE OWNER.
AND AGAIN, I THINK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A VARIANCE FROM A CODE, YOU LOOK TO THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SUBMITTED, UM, TO THIS BOARD THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT GOING TO CREATE A NEGATIVE IMPACT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE WAS SOMETHING NEXT TO THE SHED THAT'S GOT A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE.
SO IT WAS, UH, LIKE A NINJA WARRIOR COURSE.
THAT WE'RE GONNA, A 7-YEAR-OLD ALSO DID NOT RING
YEAH, IT'S A NINJA WARRIOR COURSE.
I'M GONNA TAKE THAT DOWN TO SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
AGAIN, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DID INSPECT AND DID NOT FLAG THAT, BUT AS THE OWNER HAS STATED IT, THAT WILL BE REMOVED.
HOW DO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS? BEFORE YOU COULD DO THIS
DO WE NEED TO HEAR ANYTHING ELSE? I DON'T THINK SO.
WELL WE'RE HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, WE ARE BACK ON OUR DELIBERATIONS.
DID YOU SEE THAT ON IT? MM-HMM
UM, WELL BEFORE YOU START HERE, HEAR ANYTHING THAT WE INDUCE YOU, AL WAS A OH, YOUR PERSONAL DECISION FOR YOU TO MAKE? UH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.
SINCE THERE'S ONLY FOUR OF US.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY DOESN'T VOTE THE SAME WAY IT GOES DOWN.
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WE CAN DO A QUICK, MY SENSE IS THAT, UM, IT APPEARS TO BE THAT THE SIGN IS A, A DESIGN ELEMENT AND THERE'S NO REAL NEED.UM, PEOPLE CAN, AND NO ONE ELSE IN THE COMPLEX HAS IT.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, IT IS EXTREMELY LARGE.
I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF IT, UM, AS A MARKETING TOOL, UH, OR TO HELP PEOPLE FIND IT.
BUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO FIND, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE BAND YELLOW, WEAR THE BUILDING WITH THE YELLOW BAND.
THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS ONE COULD DO THAT ARE NOT A SIGN IN VIOLATION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
REALLY? I FELT THERE WAS A NEED TO, UM, ISSUE A VARIANCE FROM THE ZONING RULES RESULTS.
WHAT? NO, WE, WE SHOULD KNOW WHERE WE ARE.
AND FOR WHAT REASON? SORRY? FOR WHAT REASON? I DIDN'T THINK THAT THE SIGNAGE, THE, THE DIAMETER OF THE LARGEST ONE WASN'T THAT BAD.
I'M NOT SURE THAT I, THAT'S NOT GOOD.
OH, WELL, WELL LET, LET'S GO OVER THE, THE REQUEST FIRST.
'CAUSE SOME OF IT WAS FOR SIZE, BUT THERE'S A, A REQUEST FOR A WHOLE SECOND SIGN, RIGHT? A SECOND WALL OF SIGN.
I THINK I, I ALWAYS WONDER WHAT'S AS OF RIGHT.
SO, AS OF RIGHT, THEY, THERE COULD BE AN INSIGNIA AND A SIGN ON ONE PART OF THE INSTANCE, ONE OF THE VARIANTS THAT IS TO HAVE A SECOND SIGN.
MAYBE, MAYBE YOU COULD HELP US WITH THAT.
SO THE, SO THE HEIGHT NEEDS TO BE REDUCED TO FOUR FEET OF INSIGNIA.
THEN, UM, FOR THE LETTERING HEIGHT, THAT NEEDS TO BE REDUCED TO TWO FEET AS OPPOSED TO THREE FEET.
BUT IF THERE'S NOT A WHOLE SECOND WALL OF SIGN, THAT'S A REQUEST.
SO, UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FIFTH ONE.
REQUEST ONE IS ONE SIGN INSIGNIA OF FOUR FEET.
IT'S ALL BASIS, FOUR VARIANCE REQUESTS.
AND MY OTHER THOUGHT IS JUST THAT I RECENTLY CAME BACK FROM, UH, SCOTTDALE THAT IN
AND THEY, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT AS STREET, STREET FRONTAGE.
THEY ARE SET BACK QUITE A WAYS.
UH, THE STREETS ARE WIDER, THE SPEEDS ARE FAST.
SO WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD IN ALL OF THESE MEETINGS THAT, WELL, WE NEED THESE BIG BRIGHTLY LIVED SIGNS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING QUICKLY AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN FIND US.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, FAR AWAY THE SIGNS THERE WERE ALL WITHIN OUR REGULATIONS NOT ILLUMINATED, AND EVERYTHING WAS EASILY FINDABLE.
AND SO, AND SO, I, I WAS LOOKING TO SEE, AM I HAVING TROUBLE FINDING THINGS? THE ANSWER WAS NO.
AND SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S FOR MARKETING, IT IS FOR DESIGN, IT IS TO CATCH PEOPLE'S EYE.
BUT I FOUND THAT WHEN YOU DIDN'T START PUTTING ALL OF THESE BRIGHT, BIG SIGNS, EVERYTHING WAS REALLY QUITE EASY TO FIND.
AND SO IN THIS CASE, IF YOU'D START DOING THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO JUST CREATE MORE CONFUSION AND VISUAL GLARE AND VISUAL PROBLEMS. I THOUGHT.
AND, AND, AND REALLY, I ALWAYS NOT, NOT TO SAY YOU'RE PUTTING UP A PRESIDENT, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT PRECEDENT.
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YOU KNOW, THERE IS AS A WRITE ALOUD, AND I, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK HAVING COME BACK, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR YEARS AND I HAD NEVER REALLY FOCUSED ON IT IN SOMEPLACE THAT WAS DIFFERENT.AND I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT I THINK OUR REGULATIONS AS THEY STAND, REALLY PROVIDE FOR WHAT IS NEEDED, NOT WHAT IS WANTED.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT.
AND THAT WAS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE NEED? OKAY.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE SHOULD PUT THIS OVER UNTIL THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE HERE.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE EVEN
AND THE APPLICANT MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO MAKE CHANGES IF THEY'RE GONNA APPEAR AGAIN.
WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE WILL NOT MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW.
YOU GET A LETTER TO THAT EFFECT.
IT'S NOT, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS ASK THE APPLICANT WHO CANNOT TALK TO US NOW, IS IN THIS SITUATION, WE ASK THEM TO MINIMIZE THEIR REQUEST.
BECAUSE A MORE MINIMAL REQUEST IS MORE LIKELY TO BE GRANTED.
THAT'S, WELL, NOT EVEN, I WOULDN'T GO THAT FAR.
I'M GONNA GO THAT I WOULD SAY IT, IT HAS, IT HAS SOME WILL BE LOOKED AT ANEW WITH FRESH EYES, BUT I'M NOT SURE WE, WE ARE WILLING TO GO SO FAR AS TO SAY WILL BE GRANTED.
I'M NOT TRYING REPEAT ANYTHING.
I'M OKAY SAYING WHAT WE'VE SAID BEFORE.
WHICH IS WHY I SAID I, I LOOKED AT THINGS WITH IT, NEW EYES.
SO YOU, YOU'VE COME BACK AND YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO TALK TO PEOPLE.
A HOSPITAL, IF A HOSPITAL CAME TO ME, I COULD SEE A NEED.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, CRAZED AND, AND UPSET AND WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND IT.
AND THEY'RE ALL, YEAH, I CAN SEE A HOSPITAL THAT'S A NEED.
AND SO I'M TRYING TO FOCUS ON, ON NEED.
SO THE NEXT ONE IS THE POOL, THE POOL HOUSE.
SHOULD I TRY TO START SUMMARIZING THE TOOL WITH THE UNDERSTANDING VIEW, KNOWING THAT I WILL HEAR DIFFERENTLY SHORTLY?
THE, THE ONE NEIGHBOR WHO HAD SOME RESERVATIONS THAT WAS MORE ON A DON'T WANNA MAKE A PRECEDENT TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO BE SO CLOSE TO THE EDGE.
IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE THE FIVE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, CATEGORIES THAT WE LOOK AT, UM, TO SEE IF, IF THEY WAIT NOW, AND THERE'S A, I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T THINK THEY, IT'S GONNA CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE TWO NEIGHBORS.
WHEN I SAW THAT THERE WAS A SHED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS EXISTING SHED THAT IT'S FAR FROM THE HOUSE.
ANY, ALL THOSE THINGS TO ME SAY THAT THIS IS NOT A HUGE ASK.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU'RE BUILDING AN IN-GROUND POOL, YOU'RE DOING AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK.
AND REPOSITIONING THIS UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN ENORMOUS THING EITHER.
BUT, SO I JUST WANTED TO START WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, IF YOU UNDERSTANDING, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
I, I, I THINK PART OF WHAT MY FEELING IS, THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE NOW.
I MEAN, THE POOL ISN'T THERE, THE POWER ISN'T THERE.
THERE'S A CONCRETE BED WITH A WOOD STRUCTURE ON TOP OF IT THAT THE BEST I CAN UNDERSTAND, AND IT WAS NOT A VERY SMOOTH PRESENTATION, IS THAT THAT WAS DONE WITHIN THE LAST SIX YEARS.
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AND AT SOME 0.6 YEARS AGO, THESE SAME REGULATIONS WERE IN EFFECT AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOUND THEN.UM, AND AS YOU SAY, IT WOULD NOT TAKE MUCH TO MAKE THIS COMPLIANT.
IT WOULD TAKE VERY LITTLE, PROBABLY WHEN YOU PHYSICALLY HAVE TO DO IT, IT'S EFFORT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NO
WELL, IF YOU'RE HAVING A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AND YOU'RE SPENDING A FORTUNE.
AND, AND REALLY, AND, AND REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOT A IS A WOODEN SHED.
AND IT'S THE CONCRETE BED THAT IS, YOU KNOW, NOT A BIG DEAL TO TAKE UP, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT, LIGHT IN LIGHT OF PUTTING IN A POOL.
SO I, I, AGAIN, IF WHEN THE LOGIC WAS ASKED, WHY IS THIS HERE? SAID, WELL, BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO THE POOL.
WELL, THE POOL DOESN'T EXIST YET.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS A CIRCUITOUS LOGIC THAT I HAD TROUBLE SEEING AS RELEVANT.
WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR SWEAT AT EQUITY INTO SOMETHING AND YOU BUILD SOMETHING YOURSELF, IT'S HARD.
AND NOT WANTING TO DO IT TWICE IS LOGICAL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M SIMPLY SAYING SO, BUT THERE, YOU HAVE TO GET THE EQUIPMENT AND THE PEOPLE TO DIG THE HOLE, AND THEN THERE'S GOING BE PAVERS AROUND THAT.
AND IT'S CONCRETE TO DO THE POOL, POUR IN THE POOL AND ALL OF THAT.
SO IT'S, YOU'VE ALREADY GOT A CONCRETE TRUCK THERE.
IT'S ALSO WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS SAYING THAT IT'S A LARGE LOT.
SO THAT'S WHY IT ISN'T A PROBLEM.
I WOULD SAY THE CONVERSE IS TRUE.
SO IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL TO MOVE THIS A FEW FEET.
I TAKE PART OF IT OFF OR TAKE OR, OR MOVE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE OR DO ANY NUMBER OF THINGS.
UM, IT JUST DOESN'T, NOTHING'S THERE.
NOW, WHY START FROM SCRATCH TO GO SOMETHING NON COMPLIANT? WELL, THIS MIGHT GO TO THE, I WAS WONDERING AT THE BEGINNING, WHY IS THIS BEING PRESENTED AS A TWO PART THING? WHY ARE WE BEING ASKED TO LEGALIZE SOMETHING BEFORE THE REST OF IT'S COMING? AND I ASSUME THAT'S BECAUSE THE REST OF IT CAN BE BUILT AS OF RIGHT.
IF THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT THAT'S THE REASON.
BUT EVEN PART OF THE PATIO, I THINK IS, IS A PROBLEM, IS IT NOT PROPOSED PATIO? UH, THE PROPOSED PATIO, THE PROPOSED PATIO DOES, DOES NOT EXIST IN ANYTHING.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE ASK IS MATTER CREASING THE NON POVERTY.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT PROPOSED TO DO THAT.
SO, SO IT, IT, AGAIN, IT'S A QUESTION OF NEED.
IF THIS WAS THE ONLY PLACE ON THE PROPERTY WHERE ALL THIS COULD FIT, I MIGHT FEEL DIFFERENTLY.
WHAT I SEE IS THAT, UM, WE WERE TOLD INITIALLY THAT EVERYTHING IS NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVING ANY CONTACT WITH RESPECT TO THE NEIGHBORS.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, IF THIS IS DONE THE WAY THAT, THAT IT APPEARS TO BE DONE BY THE, THE, UM, AT THE TIME WHERE, WHERE THAT THAT IS, IT'S NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO IF THESE TREES DIE OR WHATEVER, YOU'VE GOT THIS, AND YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE NOISE FROM, I ASSUME THE, UH, POOL EQUIP.
FROM THE WHAT? FROM THE, FROM THE POOL EQUIPMENT.
OH, SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NOT YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THAT'S HOW I'M LOOKING AT IT.
I'M SAYING USUALLY WE SAY, OKAY, WE CAN, YOU CAN GET CLOSER TO, BUT YOU KNOW, PUT SOMETHING IN THERE.
THERE'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE NO SPACE.
THERE'S NO SPACE AND THERE'S NOT, AND I CAN'T THINK OF A, YOU KNOW, EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT THERE'S THE OTHER PERSON SHED ON THE OTHER SIDE.
SO I MEAN, IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
THAT'S A SHED THAT DOESN'T TALK AT NIGHT
THIS SHOWS THAT THE, THE, UM, TREES ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THERE'S NO ROOM ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND WE'VE MADE PEOPLE MOVE THINGS LIKE THIS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BED HERE.
I'M NOT SAYING MOVE THE WHOLE THING.
AND THEN YOU WENT TO THAT, WHICH I HADN'T DONE ABOUT.
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS HEAVY EQUIPMENT THERE ALREADY.
I DON'T THINK MAKING WAS COMPLIANT.
IS, IS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WASN'T IN THE BEGINNING MORE SO.
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THIS EXISTING SHED WAS PLACED THERE BY THE OWNER WITH A LOT OF HARD WORK.AND SO YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT TWICE.
BUT IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN A SWIMMING POOL AND IT'S AN IN-GROUND POOL, SO JUST MOVING THE SWIMMING POOL DOESN'T AFFECT ONE'S VIEW OF THE REST OF THE PROPERTY.
SO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, DIGGING ALL, PUTTING IN A LOT OF GRAVEL.
UM, I THINK THE COST OF MOVING THE EXISTING, I, I DIDN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO NECESSARILY MOVE IT.
YOU CAN TAKE SOME OF IT OFF AND THEN PERHAPS WE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE COST INTO, INTO ACCOUNT.
WELL, IF YOU DON'T MOVE IT, YOU'RE STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
AND AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, THE ONLY THING THERE IS THE SHED WITHOUT POWER.
THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF COMING IN SWIMMING EXISTING SHED THAT WOULD BE THINK OUT THE WORD EXISTING.
NO, I SAID I COULD SEE IF IT WERE AN EXISTING SWIMMING, HOW DIFFERENT STORY MY WATCH.
THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT MIND SELF.
SO I'M NOT SURE THERE WOULD BE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ARCHITECT WOULD DO BECAUSE THE ARCHITECTS THAT I, NO, I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE IN A LONG TIME.
SO IT MAY BE NOTHING TO, TO MOVE THESE THINGS AROUND THERE.
IT REALLY MAY BE SUCH A MINOR THING TO MAKE IT COMPLIANT.
SO I'M PUTTING THIS IN OUR FORMS, UH, VERBIAGE.
YOU'D SAY, OKAY, ARE WE CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? PROBABLY NOT.
AND THE BENEFITS BE ACHIEVED ANOTHER WAY.
SO I MEAN, SO I, I UNDERSTAND BOTH WHY IT HAS BE REQUESTED AND WHY NOT THE ANXIOUS DO.
UH, IS IT SUBSTANTIAL? I DON'T KNOW.
YEAH, I DON'T OR POOL WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL.
IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY A 95% REDUCTION IN THIS SPACE.
IN THE IN AND WHAT'S ALLOWED, WELL, NOT SUBSTANTIAL, UH, IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT.
I ALSO, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE SLOPE, UM, IT'S LESS STEEP, MORE TO THE LEFT.
GETS REALLY STEEPER AS YOU GO TO THE UPPER RIGHT.
I, I UNDERSTAND THEY JUST WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SHEDDING THERE AND MAKE
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A NICE, YOU KNOW, OH COOL HOUSE.YEAH, BUT YOU COULD PUT THE POOL ANYWHERE ON THE SITE.
IT'S BIG SITE AND YOU'VE GOTTA PUT THE POWER IN.
THERE'S NO PLACE ELSE WHERE THERE'S POWER.
SORRY, WHAT ARE YOU SAYING SEAN? I'M GONNA SAY, IT'S NOT FOR US TO SAY WHERE TO PUT IT, BECAUSE THIS POOL LITERALLY COULD BE MOVED ANYWHERE ON THE SIDE.
AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS THE WHOLE LOT BECAUSE I DON'T, THE LOT MAY GO MORE THIS WAY.
BUT IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS A BLANK SLATE OF WHERE IT COULD BE BECAUSE THIS NOT HERE.
AND I JUST THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, UP TO THE ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS AND THE OWNERS TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO IT.
IT'S NOT FOR US TO SAY, OH, THE SMOKE IS BIG HERE OR THERE.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE ME INTERFERING OTHER PEOPLE'S JOBS.
SO WE'RE DONE DISCUSSING FOR NOW.
AND I, OR ADJOURN
YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE GOING ABOUT? THE OTHER ONE, WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE OF ADURING? YEAH.
WHAT ARE WE, WHAT IS THE OTHER ONE? THE OTHER ONE'S THE SIGN.
YEAH, IT'S JUST, OH, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE, THE, ALL OF THE, UM, YEAH, ALL OF THE VARIANCES REQUESTED HAD TO DO WITH THAT AND, AND INCREASING THE, THE, THE PATIO SHIP.
I MEAN IF, IF WE WANT TO GIVE THE OWNER AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES AND COME BACK OR NOT COME BACK 'CAUSE THEY'VE MADE IT BE COMPLIANT MM-HMM
THAT, THAT WOULD BE TO ADJOURN OR OTHERWISE WE COULD GIVE THEM THE
IT'S NOT, UM, THEY CAN'T DO IT AGAIN FOR A WHILE.
THEY, IF WE DENY IT, YOU CAN'T COME BEFORE US AGAIN.
WELL, THE SAME WAS SIMILAR FOR 18 MONTHS.
OH, SO IT'S, IT'S MORE ACCOMMODATING TO ADJOURN TO TO AJOUR.
AND WE'VE HEARD YOUR COMMENTS AND THEN CAN ADDRESS THEM AT THE NEXT MEETING.
THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING IS WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF ADJOURNING OR DENIED AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE CHANGES AND COME BACK.
OR NOT MAKE CHANGES AND COME BACK
OR NOT COME BACK OR NOT COME VERY PLETHORA TOWARDS, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO GO BACK THE SETTLE BACK AND JUST TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UM, ALL THE CASES BEEN RETURNED.
NOT THAT THERE WERE THAT MANY.
WELL THERE WERE TWO, THREE THERE.
THREE WERE WELL PLUS THE, UH, CASE, UH, 26 0 6.
THE CASE ALL FIVE WERE ADJOURNED.
SO THEY DIDN'T, THEY OUGHT TO GET IT AUTOMATIC, BUT NOT THE SAME, NOT THE SAME SHAPE.
WHEN THE PEOPLE DIDN'T SHOW UP THEN AN AUTOMATIC, UH, WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? OH WAIT, I'M TRYING.
I KNOW THERE'S ONE WHERE THEY COULDN'T COME, THEY WERE ON THE SCREEN.
WAS THERE ANOTHER ONE WHERE THEY JUST DIDN'T COME AT ALL? THE, THE TWO THAT WERE OH, THE TWO THAT WERE NOT NEW PAPERS FIRST.
OH, THEY HAD ALREADY DONE THAT.
THEY WERE ALREADY, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND THE EXUS WAS, DID I PRONOUNCE HIS NAME? YEP.
ARE WE, WE WE HAVE TO ROOM BEING RECORDED RIGHT NOW, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO INTO A CENTRAL SESSION.
SO HIT YOUR, UH, LITTLE GAVEL THERE.
WE ARE NOW COMPLETED WITH OUR YES.
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WELL SORRY.WITH EVERYBODY'S COUGHING TONIGHT.
AND WITH RESPECT TO, UM, OUR DELIBERATIONS, WE ARE ADJOURNING PHASE 26 0 9 CARMEN JAMARA BECAUSE OF THE, UH, FACT THAT THE OWNER OWNER HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY.
AND WE WILL PUT THAT ON FOR THE NEXT, FOR JULY 16TH, WHICH IS THE NEXT MEETING WE HAVE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY HAVE ASKED US TO DO.
AND THE NEXT CASE AFTER THAT IS CASE 26 11.
IS IT ARD TOOLS? IS THAT PROPERLY SET? YES.
UH, THAT ALSO WILL BE, CAN WE PUT IT ON FOR JULY 16TH ALSO? AND CASE 26 12.
STEVEN, I'M GONNA MESS UP YOUR NAME.
BUT IT'S, IT'S NINE MOUNTAIN PLEASANT LANE, WHICH IS I KNOW, A VERY PLEASANT AND WE ALL 19 NOW.
UM, AND ALSO THAT WOULD UH, BE ON JULY 16TH