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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, July 1, 2026 – 6:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 9:00 p.m. ]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, JULY 1ST, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.UH, IT IS 6:07 PM UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, UH, CAN YOU CONDUCT THE ROLE? SURE.
MS. ROBINSON, OUR ALTERNATE HERE.
AND MR. PATEL, OUR ALTERNATE HERE.
WE'RE AN BOTH WILL BE FULL VOTING MEMBERS THIS EVENING.
WE ANTICIPATE MS. ANDERSON ATTENDING VIA ZOOM, UH, SHORTLY.
AND MR. WEINBERG ATTENDING IN PERSON AROUND 7:00 PM ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
UM, DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE JULY 17 MINUTES THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED? YES.
UH, WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? NO, NONE.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE JUNE 17, 20, 26 MINUTES, UH, AS DISTRIBUTED.
UM, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PIECE OF CORRESPONDENCE THIS EVENING THAT COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE, UH, IS GOING TO INTRODUCE.
I THINK HE WANTED TO GO THROUGH.
TERRANCE, CAN YOU INCREASE HIS VOLUME A LITTLE BIT? THINK IT'S SAM OR SAM? SAM.
I MOVED MY PHONE A LITTLE CLOSER.
SO, FIRST OFF, I WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING BOARD FOR PROVIDING LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR VARIOUS GRANTS.
IN PARTICULAR, LAST YEAR, THE PLANNING BOARD PROVIDED SUPPORT FOR 2025 NEW YORK STATE PARKS GRANT APPLICATION THAT CENTERED AROUND FUNDS FOUGHT FOR EAST BROOK PARK EXPANSION, WHICH IS RELATED TO THE 14, UH, ACRES THAT THE TOWN WILL SOON ACQUIRE.
AS A RESULT OF THAT SUBDIVISION OVER THERE ON DOS FERRY ROAD, THE, THE, THE GRANT FUNDING STREAM THAT THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, SUPPORTED, UM, SOUGHT $675,000 FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBURG TO UTILIZE, TO MAKE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT 14 ACRES.
UH, SO THIS IS A NEW YORK STATE PARKS ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, UH, FUND.
AND THE REASON I'M PRESENTING THIS BRIEFLY AGAIN TONIGHT IS TO AGAIN, SEEK YOUR SUPPORT.
SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW AND, AND JUST BEFORE, UH, JUST BEFORE COMMISSIONER DUANE DIGS INTO IT, UM, AS A NEW YORK STATE EMPLOYEE, I WILL BE, UH, ABSTAINING FROM ANY VOTES OR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS GRANT LETTER.
SO, I SHOULD HAVE NOTED THAT UNFORTUNATELY LAST YEAR, UH, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG WAS UNSUCCESSFUL IN ITS GRANT APPLICATION.
HENCE THE REASON, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE BACK HERE BEFORE YOU AGAIN.
UH, THE SAME FUNDING STREAM IS AVAILABLE THROUGH NEW YORK STATE.
AND JUST AS A QUICK OVERVIEW, WHAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN IS, UH, THE DOBBS FERRY ROAD CORRIDOR.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, SPRAIN, UH, ENTRANCE RAMP, THE OFF RAMP TO DOBBS FERRY ROAD.
YOU SEE THE PARK ENTRANCE TO EAST BROOK PARK, AND I'M GONNA GUIDE MY CURSOR OVER HERE.
YOU'VE GOT THE POWER LINES, UH, WHICH SEPARATE IT'S 14.2 ACRE PARCEL, UH, WHICH IS, UH, DESTINED TO BE REMEDIATED THROUGH THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM.
AND UPON THAT REMEDIATION, UH, RELATED OVER TO THE TOWN FOR OWNERSHIP.
AND THE TOWN HAS, UH, ASPIRATIONS TO CONVERT THIS TO, UH, AN ANNEXATION OF ITS EAST BROOK PARK AND DO A LOT OF GREAT THINGS ON THIS, THIS 14 OR SO ACRES, UH, INCLUDING THE, UM, REROUTING OF THE, UH, CURRENT ENTRANCE, WHICH WOULD BE ABANDONED, AND PUTTING THAT ENTRANCE OVER HERE.
AND I'M GONNA GUIDE MY CURSOR.
AND, UM, ULTIMATELY THE NEW ENTRANCE WOULD CONNECT TO A POINT UP ABOUT HERE THIS, UH, EXISTING PARK ENTRANCE WOULD BECOME EMERGENCY ONLY.
AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG'S CURRENTLY WORKING WITH ITS PARKS AND RECS DEPARTMENT AND A CONSULTANT TO, UM, PROGRAM THE REMAINING SPACE BEYOND THE ROAD THAT WOULD INCLUDE NEAT THINGS LIKE, UH, SPECIAL NEEDS PARK SPACE, AS WELL AS MUCH NEEDED FALL FIELDS.
SO, AGAIN, I THANK THE, THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ITS LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR LAST YEAR'S GRANT.
WE WILL BE REAPPLYING, UH, THIS YEAR, AND I HAVE A SIMPLE REQUEST TO AGAIN, UH, HUMBLY REQUEST YOUR SUPPORT, UH, IF IT SWITCHED SCREENS, UH, WHICH I HOPE IT DID.
COULD SOMEONE VERIFY THAT, PLEASE? YES, YES, YES.
UH, THIS WILL GIVE A LITTLE MORE, UM,
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COLOR TO THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE 14 ACRES.AND AGAIN, I INDICATED THE REROUTED, UH, NEW DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE THAT WOULD BE HERE OFF OF FER ROAD.
YOU COME UP, LIKE YOU SEE HERE.
UM, THE PROGRAMMING IS, IS HYPOTHETICAL AND THAT'S BEING WORKED OUT.
BUT WHAT THE FUNDING WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD DO IS GIVE THE TOWN INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THIS ROADWAY CONSTRUCT, UH, RETENTION PONDS TO SUPPORT THE STORMWATER RUNOFF AND PUT IN INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS, UH, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, LIGHTS, UH, PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THROUGH THIS GRANT, IT'S THE FIRST PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION FUNDING THAT'S SOUGHT.
UM, WHAT'S DIFFERENT NOW, AND I'M VERY, UM, PLEASED TO NOTE AND, AND, AND, AND, AND THANKFUL FOR OUR HARDWORKING NEW YORK STATE, UH, LEGISLATORS IS CON CONGRESSMAN VLADIMIR LATIMER HAS PLEDGED $250,000 AS HAS SENATE MAJORITY LEADER ANDREA STEWART COUSINS.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE PURSUED, UH, GRANT FUNDING THAT'S GONNA ALSO SUPPLEMENT THIS PROJECT.
BUT NOW WE'RE REPRESENTING TO THE STATE THAT WE'VE GOT THOSE TWO, UH, KEY, UM, CONTRIBUTIONS AS WELL AS THE TOWN MATCH.
SO I THINK THE TOWN'S GONNA HAVE A RATHER, UH, COMPETITIVE GRANT APPLICATION AND SEEK YOUR SUPPORT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE? NO.
THEN, UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, I GUESS APPROVE, UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DISSEMINATION OF A SUPPORT LETTER TO THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
UM, ISSUING THE, THE SUPPORT OF THE PLANNING BOARD ON THE TOWN APPLYING FOR THIS GRANT.
UM, JUST AS A, AS A SORT OF TECHNICAL, UM, NOTE.
SO THE WAY THE LETTER WILL BE DRAFTED IS, IS SINCE I WILL NOT BE THE ONE SIGNING IT, UM, I'LL ASK, ASSUMING THIS MOTION CARRIES, I'LL ASK EVERYONE TO, TO SIGN A PIECE OF PAPER SO WE HAVE YOUR SIGNATURE, AND THEN WE WILL MOCK UP THE, THE LETTER WITH ALL OF YOUR SIGNATURES INDIVIDUALLY AS MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, AND THEN ONCE YOU GIVE YOUR THUMBS UP, UH, GARRETT WILL TAKE THAT LETTER AND INCLUDE IT IN HIS PACKET THAT HE'LL ULTIMATELY SUBMIT, UM, TO THE STATE.
SO I'LL, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, AUTHORIZE THE, THE TOWN TO DRAFT A LETTER, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, SUPPORTING THE TOWN AND APPLYING FOR THIS GRANT.
AND, UH, THE CHAIR WILL ABSTAIN.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE, UH, OUR FINAL PRESENTATION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS.
UH, THIS EVENING WE WILL BE FOCUSING ON, UH, THE CA AND DS DISTRICT UPDATES, THE RESTAURANT RECLASSIFICATIONS WITHIN THE CODE, UH, AS WELL AS OFF STREET PARKING AMENDMENTS.
AND I THINK COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE ALSO MENTIONED THAT HE WOULD BE TOUCHING ON, UM, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE FOURTH TOPIC? A LITTLE BIT INTO, UM, HOUSING WITH RESPECT TO SENIOR HOUSING.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER DUQUE, PLEASE TAKE IT AWAY.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME TIME TO PRESENT VARIOUS ASPECTS OF CHAPTER 2 85 ZONING, ORDINANCE AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS.
AS, AS IS NOTED, TONIGHT'S FOCUS IS LARGELY WITH RESPECT TO THE MIXED USE CORRIDORS OF THE TOWN AND THE NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.
WITH A FOCUS ON RESTAURANTS, OFF STREET PARKING AND CONSISTENCY IN ZONING, WE'LL THEN TRANSITION TO SOME RESIDENTIAL USES, SUCH AS THE TREATMENT OF SENIOR HOUSING AND REVIEW MODIFICATIONS TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, MATT, AS I'M GOING ALONG, IF YOU HAVE IT HANDY, UH, NOT TOO MUCH TROUBLE, UH, IF YOU, UM, WERE TO DOWNLOAD THE, UM, CHAPTER 2 85 TRACK CHANGE VERSION.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN FOLLOW ALONG, PERHAPS DEFINITIONS, UH, FIRST AREA OF FOCUS IS GONNA BE ON THOSE, UH, RESTAURANT DEFINITIONS, UM, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE, UH, RELIEF TO THE IMAGES THERE.
AND, AND I THINK THOSE WERE IN OUR, THOSE WERE IN OUR FOLDER IF IT'S EASIER TO ACCESS THEM THERE.
AND WE COULD PUT IT ON SCREEN, NO, NOT NOT VITAL.
UM, MAYBE OF MORE INTEREST TO, UH, TO THE VIEWER AT HOME.
SO, I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH SPECIFIC CHANGES PROPOSED IN THE MANNER IN WHICH EATING AND BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENTS ARE REGULATED IN THE TOWN.
GREENBERG HAS A TREMENDOUS VARIETY OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENTS WHICH CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE VITALITY OF THE TOWN.
JUST THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO, THE INDUSTRY HAS UNDERGONE SWEEPING CHANGES BASED ON TECHNOLOGY SUCH AS PHONE APPS, AS AN EXAMPLE.
UH, CONSUMER PREFERENCES JUST PRE-ORDERING QUICK PICKUPS,
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AND THE COST HAVE FLUCTUATED DRAMATICALLY WITH, UH, CONSUMERS AND THE PROVIDERS OF, OF RESTAURANTS AND BEVERAGES.THE MODIFICATIONS WITH RESPECT TO 2 85 FOR THESE USES ARE INTENDED TO REFLECT SOME OF THESE PREFERENCES AND CHANGES, BUT DO SO IN A MANNER THAT REFLECTS THE TRUE INTENSITY OF THE USE.
IN SOME RESPECTS, THIS MEANS CREATING MORE STRINGENT REGULATIONS THAN THE CODE CURRENTLY REQUIRES.
BUT IN OTHER RESPECTS, IT MEANS CREATING A MORE FLEXIBLE REGULATIONS FOR THESE USES.
HISTORICALLY, THE TOWN HAS RELIED ON THREE CATEGORIES FOR FOOD AND BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENTS.
THE FIRST IS INCIDENTAL DINING ESTABLISHMENTS.
SECOND IS THE RESTAURANT, AND THE THIRD IS FAST FOOD, QUICK SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
LET'S START WITH INCIDENTAL DINING ESTABLISHMENTS.
WHAT THESE ARE CURRENTLY RECOGNIZED AS TAKEOUT FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS WITH EIGHT SEATS OR LESS, THE CODE STIPULATES THAT THEY MUST BE A BAKERY, PIZZERIA, DELI, OR ICE CREAM STAND.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER TAKEOUT TYPE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE TOWN THAT ARE NOT BAKERIES, PIZZERIAS, OR DELI'S THAT HAVE EIGHT SEATS OR LESS, AND THAT ARE OF THE SAME INTENSITY OF THESE USES.
THESE OTHER TYPES OF TAKEOUT USES ARE FORCED TO A RESTAURANT USE WITH AN OVERLY STRINGENT PARKING REQUIREMENT.
HOW ARE WE LOOKING TO RECTIFY THIS? WHAT'S PROPOSED IN CHAPTER 2 85? INCIDENTAL DINING ESTABLISHMENTS ARE PROPOSED TO BE ANY FOOD OR BEVERAGE BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT OFFERING TAKEOUT SERVICES.
WE'RE LOOKING TO RETAIN THE EIGHT SEAT MAXIMUM, RETAIN THE PARKING REQUIREMENT OF ONE SPACE FOR 200 SQUARE FEET.
THOSE THINGS WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL STAY IN PLACE, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE THAT STRICT, UM, DEFINITION OF THOSE FOUR PARTICULAR USES TO, TO THE SECOND CATEGORY.
AND, AND JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY OR CONFIRM, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INCIDENTAL DINING PERMITS? THAT'S RIGHT.
AND REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS, UM, THE MANDATE TO HAVE A SPRINKLER, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
THE PLANNING BOARD'S ABILITY TO DO SEAT LAYOUTS, REFER THAT TO FIRE DISTRICTS, ALL OF THAT RETAINS AND YES, PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL PERMITS STILL RETAINED.
NEXT, LET'S MOVE ON TO RESTAURANT ESTABLISHMENTS.
SO THESE ARE CURRENTLY RECOGNIZED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE BY HAVING A FOCUS ON A WAITER, WAITRESS BASED REFERENCE AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FAST CASUAL RESTAURANT OPERATIONS THAT RESIDENTS ENJOY.
AND THAT FUNCTIONS WELL THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, PLACES SUCH AS CHIPOTLE, SHAKE SHACK, PANERA, ET CETERA.
THESE TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS DO NOT HAVE LONG WAIT TIMES.
THEY OFTEN PROVIDE CURBSIDE PICKUP, AND THEY DO NOT HAVE THE TRADITIONAL WAITER WAITRESS SERVICES TO CLASSIFY THESE USES AS FAST FOOD QUICK SERVICE WOULD HAVE THE IMPACT OF THEM BEING REQUIRED TO BE LOCATED ON OVERLY EXCESSIVE LOT SIZES AND BE SUBJECT TO OVERLY STRINGENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WOULD EFFECTIVELY REDUCE THE FEASIBILITY OF SUCH USES THROUGHOUT THE TOWN.
SO WHAT IS PROPOSED? HOW ARE WE LOOKING TO RECTIFY THIS? AN UPDATED DEFINITION OF RESTAURANT IS PROPOSED TO BE ANY FOOD OR BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT THAT DOES NOT CONTAIN A DRIVE THROUGH, DOES NOT HAVE A MANDATE TO HAVE A WAITER OR WAITRESS PRESENT AND DOES NOT PRECLUDE CURBSIDE PICKUP.
THE UPDATED DEFINITION STILL RETAINS THE NINE SEATER BOARD DESIGNATION STILL RETAINS THE PARKING REQUIREMENT OF ONE SPACE PER 75 SQUARE FEET, RETAINS THE NEED FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT AT THE PLANNING BOARD, AND ALSO STILL ALLOWS THE PLANNING BOARD TO REVIEW SITE PLAN ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE SIGNING OF, OF THE LOCATING OF CURBSIDE PICKUP SPACES.
WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS, UH, DATA SAMPLE OF THESE TYPE OF USES BEING CLASSIFIED AS RESTAURANTS IN THE TOWN THAT JUST DO NOT HAVE PARKING ISSUES.
THEY'VE BEEN FUNCTIONING WELL, THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD PROCESS, REALLY LOOKING TO MAKE THE, THE, THE CODE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AND AND FRIENDLY TOWARDS THESE TYPES OF USES, IF YOU WILL.
SO LASTLY, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON DRIVE THROUGH AND EATING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENTS.
THESE ARE CURRENTLY RECOGNIZED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF QUICK SERVICE OR FAST FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS, AND ARE IDENTIFIED AS COUNTER SERVICE TYPES WITH OR WITHOUT A DRIVE THROUGH WITH REFERENCE TO QUICKLY PREPARED OR PREPARED PLEASE.
ONE LINE, A COUPLE NOTES HERE.
THIS CLASSIFICATION HAS GENERALLY BEEN TIED TO WHAT ARE TRADITIONALLY KNOWN AS FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, SUCH AS TACO BELL, BURGER KING, KFC, ET CETERA.
IN SOME DISTRICTS, THESE TYPE OF USES, THERE'S A MINIMUM 80,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS.
AND MOST HAVE A 2000 LINEAR FOOT SEPARATION DISTANCE REQUIREMENT
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BETWEEN THESE USES.SO WHAT REALLY IS PROPOSED, WHAT ARE THE CHANGES WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN 2 85 IN UPDATED DEFINITION REMOVES FAST FOOD QUICK SERVICE AS A TERM AND REPLACES IT WITH THE NEW DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT DEFINITION.
SO THERE'S THAT SPECIFIC CONNECTION TO A DRIVE THROUGH, AND THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE DEFINITION.
IT SIMPLY SAYS IT'S AN EATING OR DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT THAT INCLUDES A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW.
ALL IT SAYS, VERY, VERY EASY, UH, FOR THE MARKET TO UNDERSTAND.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S PROPOSED AS REGULATED DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, RETAIN THE PLANNING, THE PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL PERMIT REQUIREMENT, RETAIN THE ONE SPACE FOR 35 SQUARE FOOT OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT, THE MINIMUM 80,000 SQUARE FEET LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT THAT'S NOW PROPOSED IN ALL APPLE ZONING DISTRICTS, AS IS RETAINING THE 2000 LINEAR FOOT DESIGNATION.
IN TOTALITY, THESE MODIFICATIONS ARE INTENDED TO PROVIDE VERY CLEAR REGULATIONS, BE RESPONSIVE TO CHANGES IN THE INDUSTRY, WHILE REQUIRING THE MORE IMPACT INTENSE FOOD AND BEVERAGE RELATED USES TO HAVE PROPORTIONALLY STRICTER STANDARDS.
THESE UPDATES ARE THE PRODUCT, AGAIN, DECADES OF TOWN STAFF AND BOARD EXPERIENCE AND OBSERVATION OF THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE USES THAT HAVE FUNCTIONED WELL FROM BOTH AN OPERATIONAL AND A PARKING PERSPECTIVE, AND ALSO BASED ON SOME APPLICATIONS THAT WOULD'VE ADDED ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT RESULT IF THESE PROPOSED CHANGES WERE IN PLACE ALREADY.
I'M GONNA TOUCH A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT WHEN I COVER THE CA DISTRICT, BUT AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO PAUSE AND SEE IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I I JUST HAVE A COMMENT WHICH I, I REALLY, UM, COMMEND THE, THE STAFF AND, AND THOSE WHO WORKED ON THESE DEFINITIONS ON, ON REALLY CLARIFYING THIS.
I KNOW, UM, HISTORICALLY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UM, KNOW RELATED TO WHAT'S A RESTAURANT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S QUICK SERVICE.
UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS YOU, AS YOU SORT OF SHARED OR LAID OUT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU OPENED THIS DISCUSSION, UM, YOU KNOW, I I I THINK FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS, THAT THAT LANDSCAPE HAS CHANGED PRETTY DRAMATICALLY.
AND IT'S, IT'S NOT, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY FIT NEATLY INTO THE DEFINITIONS THAT, THAT WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE NOW.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT I THINK THE, THE COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING, HAVING THOROUGHFARES WITH ONE DRIVE THROUGH AFTER ANOTHER AND, AND THE CONGESTION, UM, AND JUST THE, THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER THAT COMES WITH THAT.
UM, I THINK THESE DEFINITIONS PROTECT THE COMMUNITY FROM, FROM, UM, AND OVER AN ABUNDANCE OF, OF DRIVE-THROUGHS, BUT ALSO TO THE EXTENT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE FEEDBACK THAT I HEAR FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS, YOU KNOW, I'D, I'D LOVE A NEW RESTAURANT HERE.
I'D LOVE A NEW RESTAURANT THERE.
UM, AND SO IT CREATES A PATHWAY FOR, UM, RESTAURANT TOURS TO, TO MAXIMIZE THEIR OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN GREENBERG, UM, WHILE, YOU KNOW, ENSURING THAT, THAT WE DON'T BECOME A, UH, YOU KNOW, A A A HIGHWAY OF JUST ONE, ONE DRIVE THROUGH AFTER ANOTHER.
UM, BUT WITH, WITH THAT SAID, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM, FROM THE BOARD? GREAT COMMENT.
UH, THEN COMMISSIONER DUQUE, WE CAN MOVE ON TO, UH, I GUESS CA DS DISTRICT OR WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT TO TACKLE.
AND I APPRECIATE THOSE OBSERVATIONS, UH, THAT, THAT THOSE EXACTLY MATCH, UM, HOW WE ENVISION THIS PLAYING UP.
WE'LL NEXT, MOVE ON TO THE CENTRAL AVENUE MIXED USE DISTRICT, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE CA DISTRICT FROM A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT PERSPECTIVE.
IN THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO, THERE'S BEEN UPDATES TO THE CA DISTRICT, WHICH FOCUSED ON BROADENING THE RANGE OF USES, PERMITTED THE GOAL OF SEEKING TO MINIMIZE VACANCIES, BUT WITH COMPATIBLE USES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY NOT ALLOWED.
TWO EXAMPLES INCLUDE CAR DEALERSHIPS, WHICH WERE ADDED AS A SPECIAL PERMIT USE IN THE DISTRICT SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
SINCE THAT TIME, TWO DEALERSHIPS WERE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD TO ADD TO THOSE THREE PRE-EXISTING DEALERSHIPS.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE, CHILD DAYCARE CENTERS WERE ADDED AS A SPECIAL PERMIT USE IN THE CA DISTRICT, LEADING TO THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL OF AT LEAST THREE SUCH USES ADDING A PRODUCTIVE USE TO THE AVENUE FEDERAL GAS STATIONS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF A SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS WHEN INTRODUCED TO THE CA DISTRICT.
AND MORE RECENTLY, THERE HAS BEEN A FOCUS ON A REZONING EFFORT RELATED TO THE FOUR CORNERS PORTION OF THE CORRIDOR, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A PROPOSED OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
AND YOU SHOULD KNOW AS A PLANNING BOARD AND EXPECT TO SEE THAT AS A REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN
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BOARD LATER THIS YEAR.AND I'D BE VERY EXCITED TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU AND, UH, WALK YOU THROUGH IT AND GET YOUR INPUT AND IMPROVE IT.
THE PRESENT UPDATES FOR THE CA DISTRICT INCLUDE THE REMOVAL OF THE WORD IMPACT FROM THE PRESENT CENTRAL AVENUE MIXED USE IMPACT DISTRICT.
AND THIS IS SIMPLY, UM, FOR MORE STREAMLINED, CLEANER IDENTIFICATION.
BE HONEST, PERSONALLY, THE, THE USE OF THE TERM IMPACT THERE IS KIND OF AWKWARD TO ME.
THE STATEMENT OF INTENT AND PURPOSES FOR THE DISTRICTS ARE UPDATED TO FOCUS ON A FLEXIBLE RANGE OF USES AND ALSO ARE UPDATED TO INTRODUCE THE TERM COMPLETE STREETS, WHICH REALLY FUNCTIONS AS A REMINDER THAT THE CORRIDOR IS INTENDED TO HAVE EQUAL IMPORTANCE FOR PEDESTRIANS, CYCLISTS, AND BUS RIDERS.
IN ADDITION TO BEING A SAFE CORRIDOR FOR VEHICLES, ADULT DAYCARE CENTERS, MUSEUMS, ART GALLERIES, BUSINESS AND VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS, SOCIAL CLUBS, COMMUNITY CENTERS ARE ADDED AS PERMITTED USE.
NOW, I SHOULD NOTE THAT SOME OF THOSE USES, UH, MAY HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN OTHER MORE GENERAL CATEGORIES OF THE CA DISTRICT, BUT AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, UH, UH, IN EXERCISE HERE FOR CHAPTER 2 85, WE ARE STRIVING FOR CONSISTENCY.
AND WHEN YOU SEE IN, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE DS DESIGN SHOPPING DISTRICT, UH, TERMINOLOGY SUCH AS MUSEUMS, ART GALLERIES, BUSINESS AND VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS, BUT YOU DON'T SEE THAT IN THE CA DISTRICT.
UH, ONE COULD CONSTRUE THAT IT'S ALLOWED IN ONE AND NOT IN THE OTHER.
AND I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT, UM, THESE ARE ALL PRODUCTIVE USES, UM, THAT WE WOULD, UM, EXPECT AND, AND AND ENJOYED CA CENTRAL AVENUE.
UM, WE COVERED THIS A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, BUT, UH, JUST RECALL CANNABIS IS ADDED AS A SPECIAL PERMIT USE IN THE CA DISTRICT.
AND, UM, TOWN STAFF ARE VERY COGNIZANT THAT WE, WE, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH AN UPDATED MAP OF HOW THIS WOULD BE PRECLUDED OR NOT ON CENTRAL AVENUE, UH, BASED ON THE PRESENCE OF SCHOOLS.
AND WE KNOW THAT THE PLANNING BOARD SOUGHT THAT TYPE OF MAPPING FOR ANY OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT, UH, CANNABIS IS BEING AN ENLARGED TO.
SO, UM, THAT PLEASE STAND BY ON THAT.
WE, WE WILL FOLLOW THROUGH, UM, SO THAT YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION, UH, THAT YOU FULLY NEED, UH, TO MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WITH REGARDS TO MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH ARE PRESENTLY A PERMITTED USE IN THE CA DISTRICT, THERE ARE CLEAR GUIDELINES ON THE MINIMUM SIDEWALK FRONTAGE EXPECTATIONS.
THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE PLANNING BOARD CANNOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS FOR A LARGE ENOUGH PROJECT, BUT THIS NEW CODIFICATION OF PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT FRONTAGE OF A SITE, UM, JUST THE MERE FACT OF CODIFYING IT, UM, GIVES THE, THE, THE PLANNING BOARD AND, AND OR THE TOWN BOARD IF APPLICABLE, UH, VERY STRONG, UH, BACKBONE TO, UM, ENSURE THAT THERE'S GOOD SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY OUT OF THESE SITES.
THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND NOTICING PROCEDURES ARE PROPOSED TO BE CENTRALIZED IN THE CA DISTRICT, AND THIS PERMEATES THROUGHOUT OTHER DISTRICTS AS WELL.
IF YOU RECALL, WE NOW HAVE, UH, SECTION 2 85, 36, I BELIEVE, 0.1, WHICH IS THE HUB FOR THOSE TYPE OF PROCEDURES.
AND THEY'RE NO LONGER REDUNDANTLY, UM, AND SOMETIMES, UH, INCONSISTENTLY RUNNING THROUGHOUT THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE REGULATION UPDATES, WHICH ARE APPLICABLE TOWN WISE, SPECIFIC TO THE CA DISTRICT DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS PRESENTLY DO NOT HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZE RESTRICTIONS.
WHAT IS PROPOSED IS AN 80,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIZE MINIMUM.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER DISTRICTS IN THE TOWN.
SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A REAL TIME IMPLICATION OF, OF WHAT THIS WOULD MEAN.
SO AN IMPLICATION FOR THE CA CORRIDOR IS THAT CORRIDOR, IS THAT A PROPOSAL SUCH AS THE RECENT TACO BELL APPLICATION THAT WAS PROPOSED IN THE LOCATION OF THE HONEYBAKED HAM ON CENTRAL, WHICH WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, AND ULTIMATELY WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT.
IN MY ESTIMATION, IT'S LIKELY THAT THAT, UH, THAT PROPOSAL WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED AT THE 80,000 SQUARE FOOT REQUIREMENTS BEEN IN PLACE FOR REFERENCE.
THAT SITE IS PRESENTLY 15,000 SQUARE FEET AND WITHOUT A MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT.
UM, WE, WE, WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT, UH, MADE ITS BEST EFFORT AND WAS RESPONSIVE TO THE PLANNING WORK.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT SITE IS, UH, AGAIN, 15,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND WE SEE THAT WITH TACO BELLS OR CHICK-FIL-A'S, WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A VERY INTENSE, UH, AUTO DEPENDENT, UM, TYPE USE.
UH, HAVING THE LARGER SITE DOES SEEM PRUDENT.
SO THAT'S, UH, ONE REAL TIME EXAMPLE OF HAD THE, THE, THE, THE CHANGES WE'RE SEEKING TO MAKE NOW BEEN IN PLACE, UH, YEARS AGO, UM, WOULD'VE BEEN A DIFFERENT, UH, APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THAT
SO I GUESS IT WOULD'VE BEEN IN USING TACO BELL, USING TACO BELL AS AN EXAMPLE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, IF THIS WERE TO BE ADOPTED AND THEY HAVE A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, WHAT, WHAT
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WOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT LOT? WOULD THEY HAVE TO FIND A NEIGHBOR TO, TO JOIN FORCES WITH OR VARIANCE PROHIBITIVE OR TOO COMPLEX? THEY, THEY WOULD ONLY, UH, THEIR ONLY RECOURSE WOULD BE TO SEEK AN AREA VARIANCE, UH, FOR NOT HAVING 80,000 SQUARE FEET WHERE 15,000 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT THEY HAVE.AND ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IF A CALL LIKE THAT CAME IN FOR ANY USE THAT REQUIRES 80,000 AND 15,000 SQUARE FEET, MYSELF, UM, MATTHEW, AARON, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD STRONGLY DISCOURAGE SOMEONE, UM, FROM SEEKING SOMETHING THAT'S OF SUCH A LARGE MAGNITUDE IN TERMS OF, UH, AREA VARIANCE.
AND REAL TIME, WHAT HAS HAPPENED AT THAT SITE IS, UM, ONCE THE APPLICATION WITH WAS WITHDRAWN, THE, THE OWNER, UH, HAS SINCE GONE INTO A LEASE WITH A MORE STANDARD RESTAURANT.
UM, AND, AND, AND, AND I BELIEVE THEY, THEY'RE NAVIGATING THROUGH THEIR, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF, OF, OF A FUTURE MEDITERRANEAN RESTAURANT THAT, OF COURSE DOES NOT HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH.
ANOTHER CA QUARTER IMPLICATION OF THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE BASED UPDATES THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE TABLE I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW IS THAT THE STARBUCKS NEAR FOUR CORNERS WOULD NOW VERY CLEARLY BE CLASSIFIED AS A DRIVE THROUGH ESTABLISHMENT, WHEREAS AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE IT WAS 2009, IT WAS CLASSIFIED AS A RESTAURANT.
THE PROPOSED UPDATES RECOGNIZED THESE CAR ORIENTED USES AS BEING MORE INTENSE FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE AND ACCORDINGLY REQUIRE LARGER LOT SIZES.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE, UH, IF THERE WAS AN 80,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT SIZE MINIMUM, UH, THAT APPLICANT WOULD HAVE YES, GONE THROUGH THE SPECIAL PERMIT, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE SOUGHT, UM, A RATHER LARGE, UH, UNDERSIZED LOT VARIANCE.
I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT SITE, BUT, UM, UH, I'M VERY CONFIDENT THAT IT'S, UH, UNDER 80,000 SQUARE FEET.
YES, MULTIPLE USE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE DISTRICT, ALSO KNOWN AS MIXED USE BUILDINGS ARE PROPOSED TO HAVE AN OVERLY COMPLEX NON-RESIDENTIAL USE, OOPS, RATIO REMOVED.
IN FAVOR OF FLEXIBILITY TO LEASE SPACE BASED ON MARKET CONDITIONS AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO IN THE CA DISTRICT, THERE'S, UH, THEY, THEY CLASSIFY USES AS TYPE ONE ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH TYPE FIVE.
AND I THINK TYPE THREE IS, IS, IS IS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE'S THIS HYPER SPECIFIC, AND I, AGAIN, OVERLY COMPLICATED, I THINK NOT NECESSARY, UH, RATIO STANDARDS WHERE ON ONE FLOOR YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 50% OF THIS, 50% OF THAT ON ANOTHER FLOOR.
AND, UM,
AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE COMB THROUGH EVERY LAST WORD IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF, AGAIN, BEING VERY CLEAR TO APPLICANTS AND PROVIDING RATIONAL FLEXIBILITY, UH, THAT, THAT THOSE RESTRICTIONS ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
WITH REGARD TO CA DISTRICT SPECIFIC SIGN REGULATIONS, THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO BE RELOCATED TO THE OVERALL PROVISIONS OF CHAPTER TWO 40, WHICH ARE INTENDED TO RETAIN CUSTOMIZED CA DISTRICT ALLOWANCES.
NOW THE TWO 40 UPDATES ARE SEPARATE ENDEAVOR, THOSE ARE IN DRAFT, AND, UH, THOSE WILL, UH, BE SHARED WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE WOULD, WOULD MOVE ON.
I'D TO PAUSE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
SO, SO WOULD, WOULD YOUR INTENTION BE FOR THE TWO 40, UH, AMENDMENTS TO BE ADOPTED ON THE SAME NIGHT AS THE 2 87 THAT WAY, OR 2 85 THAT WAY THERE? THERE'S NO MOMENT WHERE THEY'RE TAKEN OUT OF 2 85, BUT THEY HAVEN'T FORMALLY BEEN ADDED INTO TWO 40 YET.
AND, UM, LET'S JUST SAY THAT, UM, IF AS EXAMPLE TOWN STAFF, UH, WAS DIVERTED FROM THAT EFFORT AND, UM, THE CHAPTER TWO 40 CHANGES WERE JUST HYPOTHETICALLY STUNTED, UH, WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAUSE THIS PORTION OF APPROVING, UM, THIS SECTION THAT I JUST REFERRED TO AS THE SIGN.
UH, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UM, BUILDING, BUILDING DEPARTMENT STAFF ARE WORKING HARD ON IT AND, UH, KNOWING, UM, THAT THE TIMEFRAME WE HAVE AHEAD OF US WITH CHAPTER 2 85, UH, I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL CATCH UP AND ALIGN THOSE TWO EFFORTS.
UM, BUT THAT THE ASTUTE PICKUP, UH, THAT IS CORRECT.
AND, AND THE, THE INTENTION IS NOT NECESSARILY TO CHANGE THE, THE SIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CA DISTRICT IN 2 85.
THEY, THEY WOULD JUST BE SORT OF TAKEN OUT AS IS, UH, OF 2 85 AND PLACED IN AS IS INTO TWO 40.
THAT'S, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING,
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YES.WITH SOME MINOR TWEAKS, UM, THE TYPE OF TWEAKS THAT WILL ALSO BE MADE TO OTHER DISTRICTS, UH, IN THE TOWN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, UM, THE SIGN KEY THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, UM, IS, IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WE SEE IN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST STRIVING TO BE AS YEAH, NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER FRIENDLY, POSSIBLE AS POSSIBLE, THOUGHT THAT THAT WHOLE, UH, PHILOSOPHY WILL BE RETAIN.
AND WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIG INTO TWO 40 WHEN, WHEN THAT'S REFERRED TO US BY THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, GARY, IF I CAN ASK, GOING BACK FOR A MOMENT, A FULLY ENCLOSED RESTAURANT USE, IT SAYS, UH, NEW ADDITION INCLUDING SERVICE AT TABLES ON A COVERED OR UNCOVERED TERRACE OR PORCH.
UM, I SENT AN, UH, EMAIL ADMITTEDLY TODAY 'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET AROUND TO IT INQUIRING, WHAT ABOUT SIDEWALKS SEATING OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE IN THE TOWN, BUT IN MANHATTAN, FOR INSTANCE, POST COVID, THEY PUT SEATING OUT INTO STREETS.
UH, IT, IT'S RIGHT UNDER THE MINIMUM SIZE OF 80,000 SQUARE FEET.
SO DO WE NEED TO BROADEN THE DEFINITION? IS IT AN ISSUE IN TOWN WITH SIDEWALK SEATING? SO, GREAT QUESTION.
UH, MARK, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
UH, DURING COVID, UH,
AND I WOULD, WE STAFF WILL COORDINATE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I DO KNOW THAT, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE HC DISTRICT, UH, I BELIEVE IT IS EXPRESSLY CODIFIED.
AND, UM, THERE IS A, AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS TO PUTTING, UM, A SMALL MODEST AMOUNT OF, OF, OF SEATS, UM, IN, UH, PLAZA SPACE AND, AND TOWARDS THE RIGHT OF WAY SIDEWALK SPACE.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE WILL LOOK AT.
AND, UM, WE'LL, WE WILL HAVE TO REPORT BACK TO THE SIGNING BOARD.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, SIDEWALK SEATING IS PERMITTED.
I WOULD JUST HAVE TO GET ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON HOW IT'S PERMITTED.
AND WHETHER IT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION OF RESTAURANT AND HOW IT AFFECTS PARKING.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS.
SO I'M TRYING TO THINK OF THE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS THAT THERE ARE IN GREENBERG ON CENTRAL AVE.
UM, SO LIKE, BURGER, BURGER KING'S THE, PROBABLY THE MAIN ONE, RIGHT? YEAH.
BURGER KING, THERE'S STARBUCKS, THERE'S, I MEAN, IS IS SHAKE SHACK DRIVE THROUGH OR NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
UM, WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE SO, AND HONESTLY, I, I HAVE IT AT 6 6 27.
UM, IT COULD HAVE BEEN EARLIER, NOT THAT I KNOW IF WE'RE SAYING THAT STARBUCKS WOULD'VE NEEDED A VERY LARGE VARIANCE AND THE TACO BELL THAT THE TACO BELL, THAT WAS A SMALL SITE.
BUT, UM, LIKE WHAT, SO IS THAT BURGER KING 80,000 SQUARE FEET? OR IS THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A RATHER LARGE LOT.
UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO, TO LOOK THAT UP.
UM, I MEAN, I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT STARBUCKS IS AND INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT BURGER KING IS AND WHY WE CAME OR, OR YOU KNOW, WHERE THE 80,000 SQUARE FEET CAME FROM.
BECAUSE IF WE'VE ONLY GOT TWO EXAMPLES OF DRIVE-THROUGHS IN THAT AREA, UM, AND ONE IS UNDER THAT LIMIT, AND THE OTHER ONE WHO KNOWS LIKE, JUST FOR, ARE WE MAKING BY PUTTING THIS IN THERE? IS IT MAKING IT SO EFFECTIVELY DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, CAN'T BE LOCATED THERE? UM, IN WHICH CASE, WHY DON'T WE JUST COME OUT AND SAY IT IF WE DON'T WANNA DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS THERE AND WE DON'T WANNA DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS, BUT IF WE DO, WHY WOULD WE PUT IN A PROVISION THAT IS NOT, UM, I MEAN, AND, AND IT MAY BE THAT 80,000 MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? BUT I, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS EFFECTIVELY THAT VERY GOOD COMMENT ON ONE THING THAT I WOULD OFFER IS THAT WE DID, WE DID LEARN A LOT TOGETHER AS STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD THROUGH THE CHICK-FIL-A PROCESS.
UM, THAT SITE WAS, HAD AN 80,000 SQUARE FOOT MANDATE.
IT WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT UNDERSIZED.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THEY RECEIVED, UH, A WAIVER BASED
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ON THE CODE FROM THAT.BUT IT WASN'T TREMENDOUSLY UNDER 80,000.
AND WHILE ADMITTEDLY, I THINK A CHICK-FIL-A IS ON THE, UM, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT'S ON THE MOST INTENSE SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM OF THESE USES.
UM, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO CONSIDER, UH, YOU KNOW, 40,000, 45,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, A VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY POPULAR USE LIKE CHICK-FIL-A, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE CHALLENGES FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE ON THAT ONE.
AND EVEN AT THAT, I THINK, UH, CHICK-FIL-A AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS UP TO THEM, THEY WOULD PROBABLY LOVE TO HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY, UM, PERHAPS FIVE TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET, UM, EVEN IF JUST FOR LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT WE CAN, WE CAN GET YOU THE OTHER STATISTICS.
THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE YEAH, THAT WOULD JUST, I, I, I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING'S WRONG WITH 80,000.
I JUST WANT TO HAVE, I AM JUST HAVING A HARD TIME VISUALIZING IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S TO, UM, MAKE IT COHESIVE ACROSS THE DISTRICTS.
SO 80,000 IS THE NUMBER IN OTHER DISTRICTS FOR FAST FOOD.
IS THAT CORRECT, GARRETT? ACCURATE? SO, YEAH, IT WAS A PREEXISTING, UH, NUMBER.
UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT IS JUST, UH, IS THAT A SOUND AND PRUDENT NUMBER? IS IT OVERLY RESTRICTIVE? UM, YOU REALLY DO NEED A UNIQUE SITE.
OR ALTERNATIVELY, WHAT WE FIND IN THESE MIXED USE CORRIDORS ARE THE SITES THAT, UM, ARE OVERWHELMINGLY IN EXCESS OF 80,000, WHICH IS ROUGHLY TWO ACRES.
YOU KNOW, ARE THE, THE LARGE, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS SUCH AS, UM, YOU KNOW, NORWOOD SHOPPING CENTER, UH, ON NORWOOD ROAD, UM, THAT DOES HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE FLEXIBILITY AND CAN EASILY ACCOMMODATE, UH, A DRIVE THROUGH.
WHERE WHERE WOULD NON-RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGHS FIT IN? SO I KNOW THERE'S LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH AT THE CHASE, UH, IN DUNKING DONUTS IN, UH, WELL, DUNKING DONUTS I IMAGINE WOULD BE, THEY HAVE FOOD.
SO I IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE, WHAT DO THEY MEET THE DEFINITION OF RESTAURANT EXCEEDING EIGHT SEATS? YEAH.
SO I GUESS WHERE, WHERE WOULD A, WHERE WOULD A BANK WITH A DRIVE THROUGH FIT IN, AND WHERE WOULD A RESTAURANT, WHERE WOULD A DRIVE THROUGH COFFEE SHOP WITH LESS THAN NINE SEATS FIT IN? RIGHT.
SO, WELL, THE BANK, IT WOULD BE A BANK.
AND IF, IF YOU LOOK IN THE CODE, UH, I'M, I'M QUITE CERTAIN THAT, UH, THE BANKS SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY DRIVE-THROUGHS AS ACCESSORY EXPECTED ACCESSORY USES FOR THOSE, UH, USES THERE.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE TABLE TONIGHT IN THIS CONTEXT IS, UM, CONNOTED TO THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE INDUSTRY.
UH, YOUR QUESTION ABOUT, LET'S, LET'S JUST SAY A, A VERY SMALL COFFEE SHOP THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY IT HAS EIGHT SEATS AND, YOU KNOW, WOULD OTHERWISE CLASSIFY AS INCIDENTAL DINING, UM, BY VIRTUE OF HAVING THAT DRIVE THROUGH, UM, THE, THE AMOUNT OF SEATS ARE NON DETERMINATIVE, IF THE, UH, PRESENCE OF THAT DRIVE THROUGH AUTOMATICALLY KICKS IT TO A, UH, FAST FOOD QUICK SERVICE.
SO DRIVE THROUGH SUPERSEDES, UH, INCIDENT, IT'LL EFFECTIVELY GET RID OF THE DEFINITION OR THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN FAST FOOD, QUICK SERVICE.
'CAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH CONFUSION IN THE PAST.
UM, YEAH, STARBUCKS IS A RESTAURANT NOT A, WELL, THAT WAS A VERY UNIQUE ONE.
WELL, WE WON'T, WE WON'T GET INTO THAT.
THAT'S, UH, UM, AND, AND ALSO JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, UH, MR. WEINBERG ARRIVED AT SIX 40 AND HE WILL BE A VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.
AND MS. ANDERSON, WHO IS ON ZOOM, ARRIVED AT 6 27 AND SHE'LL BE A NON-VOTING MEMBER THIS EVENING.
UM, AND, UM, CAN I TOUCH BACK ON THE SIDEWALK, UH, SEATING PLEASE? UH, SO I HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT CURRENTLY THE SEATING, IN ORDER TO HAVE SIDEWALK SEATING, YOU HAVE TO TAKE EXISTING SEATING INSIDE AND MOVE IT OUTSIDE.
SO YOU CANNOT HAVE ADDITIONAL OCCUPANCY.
AND SO IT WON'T CHANGE THE OCCUPANCY LOAD.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THE CA DISTRICT? YEAH.
UM, MR. PATEL, I HAD SENT OUT AN EMAIL EARLIER, UM, GARRETT, UM, REGARDING, UM, WHERE WOULD A, UM, GOLF ZONE FIT IN, WHICH IS A STANDALONE AS WELL AS LIKE SOMETHING LIKE A CIGAR LOUNGE, LIKE MOM CIGAR ON CENTRAL AVENUE, WHICH IS IN THE STRIP MALL.
HOW, HOW ARE THEY CLASSIFIED IN THIS? I THINK IT'S MOM'S AND YONKERS, OR HIS MOM'S YONKERS, I THINK.
I THINK MOM'S GONNA BE YONKERS.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE DIFFERENT MIXED USES, RIGHT? YEAH.
MIXED DEVELOPMENT, HOW THEY, UH, CATEGORIZE TYPE ONE, TYPE TWO, TYPE THREE, TYPE FOUR, RIGHT? CORRECT.
GARRETT? SO THE GOLF GOLF ZONE.
AND THEN LET'S SAY, I THINK THE QUESTION IS GENERALLY TO LIKE INDOOR, UM, SPORTING TYPE FACILITIES, UH, SUCH AS THE GOLF SIMULATOR.
THOSE ARE PRESENTLY ENABLED, UH, IN MOST, UH, OF THE ZONING DISTRICTS IN
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THE TOWN, WHICH, UH, ARE THE NON-RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE DISTRICTS.AND THOSE ARE CLASSIFIED AS, UM, INDOOR, UH, PRIVATE RECREATION.
AND, UH, THOSE ARE, UM, SPECIAL PERMIT WHEN THEY'RE LARGER THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET VERSUS, UH, STRAIGHT PERMITTED USE WHEN THEY'RE ON THE SMALLER SIDE, LESS THAN 5,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND, AND WAS YOUR POINT SPECIFICALLY THAT, SORRY, AND WAS YOUR POINT SPECIFICALLY THAT GOLF'S ON SELLS LIKE CIGARS? NO, NO, NO.
IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S AN INDOOR ACTIVITY.
UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN 2 85 TYPE ONE, TYPE TWO.
COMMERCIAL RECREATE INDOOR COMMERCIAL RECALL.
IT COMES IN UNDER, UM, THE RETAIL CLASSIFICATION AND THEN, THEN IT SHOWS UP AS BOTH PERMITTED AND, AND SPECIAL PERMIT IN THAT REGARDS.
I DO KNOW THAT THE, UH, PRIVATE RECREATION USES SPECIFICALLY ALLOW ACCESSORY, UH, FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
UM, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, EXPECTED AND, AND, UM, ACCESSORY USES THAT, THAT HELP THEM, UH, MAINTAIN AND, AND OFFER SERVICES.
TO ADD A DRIVE THROUGH AND IT BECAME, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE FOOD CENTRIC, UM, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
I, I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF, OF JUST QUICK NOTES.
UH, IF, IF MR. BRITTON CAN JUST PULL UP THE DOCUMENT, THAT'D PROBABLY BE EASIER.
WE CAN JUST SCROLL, SCROLL THROUGH THEM QUICKLY.
AND IF YOU WANNA START AT THE TOP OF CA AND ZOOM IN.
SO IN, UH, B ONE A, UM, I KNOW THIS, THIS IS REFERENCED THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, BUT, UM, IN THE OFFICE BUILDINGS, AND IT INCLUDES DATA PROCESSING AND I THINK, UM, I THINK WE KNOW WHAT WE INTENDED BY DATA PROCESSING, YOU KNOW, IN 1980, BUT ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE OCCURRING AROUND THE STATE RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF DATA CENTERS, UM, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE EITHER JUST STRIKE DATA PROCESSING AND INCLUDE LIKE, WORD PROCESSING, UM, OR, OR JUST STRIKE IT ENTIRELY.
'CAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT, UM, SOMEONE TO THINK THAT BY DATA PROCESSING WE MEAN A, A DATA CENTER, UM, SCROLLING DOWN TO, UH, I GUESS THIS IS THREE PAGES DOWN.
THE PLANNING BOARD MAY WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR RUNWAYS ASSOCIATED WITH ANIMAL HOSPITALS TO BE FULLY ENCLOSED.
AND INSTANCES WHERE THE BUILDING CONFIGURATION, LANDSCAPING OR OTHER SOUND AND ODOR MITIGATION FEATURES EXIST TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE BOARD.
UM, AND SO JUST TO CONFIRM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS, THIS WOULD GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD THE ABILITY TO, TO WAIVE THIS REQUIREMENT, UM, ON ITS OWN WITHOUT THE, WITHOUT THE APPLICANT NEEDING TO SEEK A VARIANCE FROM THE ZBA.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CONFIRMED.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, UM, LET ME JUST SCROLL THROUGH MY NOTES.
UM, IN UNDER ACCESSORY USES EIGHT A ONE, UM, THIS LOOKS TO BE OLD LANGUAGE WHERE IT REFERENCES, UM, NOT INCLUDING DINERS OR RESTAURANTS, CAFETERIAS AND LUNCH ROOMS, NOT INCLUDING DINERS.
UH, DINERS WAS A PREVIOUSLY DEFINED TERM THAT THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED IN, IN THIS DRAFT.
SO, UM, I WOULD JUST POINT OUT THAT, THAT THAT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP OR, OR, OR STRUCK.
UM, AND THEN, UM, LASTLY, UH, UNDER REQUIRED BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I THINK IT DEPENDS.
EIGHT A ONE, MATT HAS IT UP, SAYS RESTAURANTS, CAFETERIAS, AND LUNCH ROOMS. MM-HMM
NOT INCLUDING DINERS AND DINERS WAS A DEFINED TERM THAT THAT'S NO LONGER DEFINED.
UM, SO TO THE EXTENT IT MIGHT BE, IT, IT MIGHT BE ACCURATE, BUT IT ALSO MIGHT HAVE BEEN REFERENCING A DEFINITION THAT WILL NO LONGER BE DEFINED.
UM,
HOWEVER, HERE, UM, IT'S CARVING OUT DINERS AND SIMILAR USES.
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AT STANDARD, UH, OXFORD DEFINITION.YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE KNOW WHAT A DINER IS.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT IT MIGHT HAVE MEANT SOMETHING THAT IT NO LONGER MEANS BY TAKING OUT A DEFINITION ELSEWHERE.
UM, AND THEN D THREE, UNLESS SPECIFIC, AND THIS IS THE LAND REQUIRED LANDSCAPING, UH, UNLESS SPECIFICALLY WAIVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE AN INSTANCE WHERE THE TOWN BOARD MIGHT BE THE LEAD AGENCY, UM, BUT I WOULD PROBABLY UPDATE PLANNING BOARD TO APPROVING BOARD, UH, IN, IN THIS SENTENCE.
UH, AND I THINK PLANNING BOARD IS ACTUALLY REFERENCED THREE TIMES IN, IN THAT SECTION.
WE REFERENCED THE TERM BARBER SHOP IN NUMEROUS PLACES, AND I WAS WONDERING, UM, IF WE SHOULD, IF, UM, USE BARBERSHOP BEAUTY SALON, UH, OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF LANGUAGE TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT.
YEAH, THOSE BARBERSHOPS WITHIN OFFICE BUILDING.
ON B IT'S IN B ONE A THERE, IT'S JUST BARBERSHOPS.
IT ISN'T EVEN LIKE BEAUTY SHOPS.
SO, UM, OR HAIR SALON, MAYBE I'M BEING OVERSENSITIVE, I ADMIT IT.
BUT HAIR, HAIR CUTTING, ESTABLISHMENT CONTEMPLATED LIKE THAT ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK INTO.
IT'LL BE THE BIGGEST CHANGE WE HAVE TO MAKE.
DS DISTRICT, IS THAT NEXT? THAT'S RIGHT.
SO MOVE ON TO THE DESIGN SHOPPING DISTRICT OR THE DS DISTRICT.
PLEASE RECALL A PORTION OF THE DS DISTRICT ON ROUTE ONE 19 IS NOW PROPOSED TO BECOME THE TR TERRYTOWN ROAD MIXED USE DISTRICT.
A MAJORITY OF THE REMAINDER OF THE DS DISTRICT WILL RESIDE AT A FEW COMMERCIAL INTERSECTIONS IN THE TOWN.
SIMILAR TO THE CA DISTRICT, THE SPECIAL PERMIT AND NOTICING PROCEDURES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CENTRALIZED AND UNIFORM.
ALL OF THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE UPDATES ARE APPLICABLE IN THIS DISTRICT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
THE DS DISTRICT ORIGINALLY CONTAINED THE 80,000 SQUARE FOOT DRIVE THROUGH MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT, WHICH HIGHLIGHTED THE IMPORTANCE OF CITING THESE TYPES OF USES ON LARGER SITES.
PRIVATE EVENT SPACE IS A PROPOSED ADDED PERMITTED USE AS ITS CANNIBAL CANNABIS RETAIL USES, WHICH ARE PROPOSED AS A SPECIAL PERMIT USED IN THE DS DISTRICT.
SO THAT WAS ALL WE HAD THERE FOR THE DS DISTRICT.
WE'RE GONNA, UH, NEXT MOVE ON TO OFF STREET PARKING.
FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, CAN I BEST PRACTICE? SORRY, I THINK MR. WEINBERG ACTUALLY HAS A QUESTION.
GARY, CAN I JUST ASK OH, SURE.
GOING BACK TO THE DESIGN DISTRICT, SO YOU KNOW, IN LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, IT'S B TWO AND IT TALK ABOUT AUTOMOBILE COURTS SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED.
WHAT IS AN AUTOMOBILE COURT? AND I, AND I GUESS I HAVE A NUMBER AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEND LIKE, LOTS OF TIMES THERE'S A LOT OF TERMS, AND IT'S SORT OF WHAT MARK WAS SAYING.
YOU KNOW, WITH BARBER SHOPS, THERE'S CERTAIN TERMS THAT SEEM TO BE ANTIQUATED AND SHOULD BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, NORMALIZED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DOCUMENT.
UH, THERE ARE AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, FOR ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, WE REFERENCE IT IN SOME AREAS WE DON'T.
I MEAN, THESE ARE REALLY SORT OF OUR
I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF SOMEONE SAID, WHAT'S A LUNCH STAND? I DON'T EVEN KNOW.
AND, AND I THINK IT COMES UP IN A LOT OF PLACES IN A LOT OF THE SECTIONS.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF SOMEONE GOES THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND TRIES TO UPDATE IT, YOU KNOW, UH, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, THE 21ST CENTURY
SO, AND WHAT WE HAVE TODAY RELATIVE TO WHAT MAY HAVE EXISTED 20, 30, 40 YEARS AGO.
WE DO HAVE SOME BUILDINGS THAT DO HAVE THOSE INCIDENTAL USES LIKE A, UH, GYM OR, OR A SPA OR A LUNCH COUNTER.
WELL, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT WOULD BE A LUNCH COUNTER AS OPPOSED TO A FOOD ACROSS OF FOOD ESTABLISHMENT? A CAFETERIA, THAT'S PART OF THE, WHAT WAS USED TO BE THE DANON BUILDING IS NOW MAVIS.
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AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN JUST THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT.BECAUSE IT'S TIED TO THE, UM, IT'S ACCESSORY TO IT'S ACCESSORY TO THE OFFICE USE.
AND THE FOOD ESTABLISHMENT COULDN'T BE, COULDN'T BE AN ACCESSORY USE, WHICH IS MORE GENERIC.
NO, IT, IT'S, IT'S DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE.
SO, AND WHEREVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOOD ESTABLISHMENTS IN RESTAURANTS, DO WE INCLUDE THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT LIKE EXHAUST SYSTEMS TO MINIMIZE, YOU KNOW, ODORS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S COVERED UNDER THE BUILDING CODE? PARDON ME? BUILDING CODE.
UH, I GUESS, AND IN GENERAL, IF YOU PICK UP ON CODES THAT YOU FEEL ARE ANTIQUATED, UM, JUST SIMPLE EMAIL TO US, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO REVISIT THEM.
WE GENERALLY STRIVE TO, TO DO THAT, BUT THERE, THERE'S, THERE COULD VERY WELL BE, UH, SOME HOLDOVERS THAT, UH, COULD STILL BE REMOVED.
AND, AND WHEREVER THERE'S A REFERENCE TO A RESTAURANT, A CABARET, ANY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, INDEPENDENT, WELL, EVEN IF IT, I GUESS IT'S, IF IT'S IN AN OFFICE BUILDING, GOOD LUCK.
UH, THERE'S, I SAW SOME REFERENCES TO TRASH AND DEBRIS DISPOSAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I SAW IT EVERYWHERE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT DEFINITELY OUGHT TO BE COVERED.
AND, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO MORE QUICK NOTES ON, ON THE, THE D THE DESIGNATED SHOPPING DISTRICT SINCE, UH, I WAS ABLE TO PULL UP MY NOTES.
UH, THERE'S SIMILAR REFERENCES TO DATA PROCESSING THAT, UM, MY, MY CONCERNS ABOUT DATA CENTERS STAND.
UM, THERE'S ALSO A SECTION, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE THREE THREE F FOUR, WHICH SAYS ALL RESTAURANTS AND OPERATION AND THOSE RESTAURANTS FOR WHICH SITE PLAN APPROVAL HAS BEEN GRANTED AS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT.
UM, BUT IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SAY THE DATE OF THE AMENDMENT.
AND, AND I KNOW WHEN READING THROUGH THE CHANGES, THIS CAME UP A HANDFUL OF TIMES.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK UP WHEN THE EFFECTIVE DATE IS AND PUT IT RIGHT IN THE CODE, UM, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY ONCE, ONCE 2 85 IS ADOPTED, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING WILL BE AS OF THAT DATE.
AND SO LANGUAGE LIKE THIS WILL, WILL BE BROKEN FOR, FOR LACK OF A, OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION.
UM, AND THEN ALSO JUST SLIGHTLY FURTHER DOWN IN H THERE'S A, A FLOATING, UH, MIXED USE IMPACT DISTRICT REMAINING.
AND SO I'D PROBABLY DO A CONTROL FIND FOR IMPACT AND MAKE SURE ANY MISSING IMPACTS, ANY IMPACTS THAT THAT WEREN'T REMOVED ARE ARE REMOVED.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON DS.
I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION, UH, THAT THERE'S A REFERENCE, IT'S IN PARAGRAPH C SOMEWHERE HERE, BUT IT SAYS SMALL, SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITALS AND KENNELS.
I MEAN, WHAT IS A SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITAL? IS IT A NUMBER OF SQUARE? IS IT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS NO HORSES? PARDON ME?
SO IT'S COW, IT'S A SMALL, IT, IT'S A, IT'S AN, IT IS A HOSPITAL, A VETERINARY HOSPITAL FOR SMALL ANIMALS.
USED BY THE FIELD OF VETERINARIANS.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY'RE SMALL ANIMAL, LARGE ANIMAL, RIGHT.
SO THE SMALL REFERENCES TO THE SIZE OF THE, THE SIZE ANIMAL, NOT THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY.
THERE'S NO REAL CRITERIA FOR WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN.
WELL, IT'S, IF I, IF I CAME IN WITH THE DOBERMAN PINCHER, THAT WOULD BE A SMALL ANIMAL.
YOU COME IN WITH YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, YOUR, UH, YOUR EMOTIONAL SUPPORT.
EMO AND YOU MIGHT, UH, THOSE ARE EXOTICS.
SHOULD ACTUALLY CALL IN PRIOR TO TAKING SOMETHING.
UM, SO THAT'S DS AND THEN OFF STREET, OFF STREET PARKING COMMISSIONER DUQUE.
LET'S NEXT MOVE ON TO OFF STREET PARKING.
FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, BEST PRACTICES WITH RESPECT TO OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE FOCUSED ON FLEXIBLE STANDARDS THAT PROMOTE SHARED PARKING OPPORTUNITIES, BUT ALSO STRIVE A ALSO STRIVE TO STRIKE A BALANCE BY NOT REQUIRING AN OVER PARKING, WHICH HAS A RESULT OF EXTRA IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, MORE STRESS TO STORMWATER
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INFRASTRUCTURE, AND GENERALLY A LESSER VISUAL COMMUNITY CHARACTER, UH, EFFECT.SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE GONE AS FAR AS TO CREATE OFF STREET PARKING MAXIMUM TO PREVENT THIS.
SO WHAT IS GENERALLY PROPOSED IS PART OF CHAPTER 2 85 ARE THE FOLLOWING, ALLOWING QUEUE PARKING SPACES IN A DRIVE GROUP TO COUNT TOWARD THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, AS WELL AS CODIFYING THE LAND BANKING OF PARKING SPACES, LAND BANKING OF PARKING SPACES.
ARE THOSE LAND BANKED PARKING SPACES? ARE THOSE SPACES SHOWN ON AN APPROVED SITE LAND THAT COULD BE BUILT IF THE USES, IF THE USES OF THE SITE CHANGE AND EXISTING PARKING BECOMES STRESSED, BUT IS NOT MANDATED TO BE BUILT UNTIL SUCH AN OCCURRENCE ARISES? SO AGAIN, IF A PLANNING BOARD, LET'S SAY AN APPLICANT IDENTIFIES IT COULD SATISFY THE PARKING REQUIREMENT BY BUILDING, LET'S SAY THE, THE 30 SPACES THAT IT NEEDS.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, UH, IT CAN SHOW ON PAPER THAT IT'S FULLY ENGINEERED OUT.
UM, BUT IT ARISES THAT, THAT THAT PARKING WOULD GENERALLY NOT BE USED.
UM, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO BUILD IT.
AND THEN WHAT, WHAT IS RETAINED IS THE EXTRA GREEN SPACE OR LANDSCAPING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVED.
SO THE WORD LAND BANKING ACTUALLY, UH, IS NOT IN THE CODE RIGHT NOW.
AND FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING, UH, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES CODIFY THAT CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS CAN CONTAIN COMPACT PARKING SPACES, WHICH WOULD COUNT TOWARDS MINIMUM PARKING STANDARDS.
UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS A BEST PRACTICE AND, UM, THE, THE PERCENTAGES THAT ARE ALLOWED ARE FAIRLY MODEST, BUT, UM, THIS IS CERTAINLY A, A GOOD PRACTICE.
UM, COMPACT PARKING SPACES, MULTI-FAMILY PARKING STANDARDS REMAIN SIMILAR.
AND, AND CAN I, SORRY, COULD I COULD JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THAT.
UM, AND I FEEL LIKE WE DISCUSSED THIS DURING THE TR DISTRICT DISCUSSION, BUT YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT TR ISN'T INCLUDED IN, IN THIS SECTION HERE, I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE CONSIDER ADDING, ADDING COMPACT CAR SPACES AS AN OPTION WITHIN THE TR DISTRICT.
THAT, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN OVERSIGHT.
AND I RECALL, UH, FROM OTHER PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS THAT, UH, THE, UM, COMPLETE STREETS REFERENCES, WE DON'T JUST WANT TO HAVE THEM IN THE CA DISTRICT.
AND, UM, WE WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WERE OTHER DISTRICTS WHERE THAT THAT CONCEPT, UH, BECAME APPLICABLE.
MULTI-FAMILY PARKING STANDARDS REMAIN SIMILAR WITH THE ADDED ALLOWANCE THAT APPROVE IT, THAT THE APPROVING BOARD CAN REDUCE THE REQUIREMENT TO ONE SPACE PER UNIT WHERE ACCESS TO MULTI-MODAL TRANSIT OPTIONS EXIST.
THESE WOULD BE SUCH AS IN LOCATIONS WHERE PEDESTRIAN OPTIONS OFFER GOOD ALTERNATIVES TO BUS OR TRAIN STOPS.
SO THAT WOULD BE DISCRETIONARY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
UM, IF THEY DID NOT FEEL THAT THAT WAS PRUDENT, THEN THE, THE MORE TRADITIONAL, UM, PARKING REQUIREMENTS PER UNIT, UM, PER BEDROOM, UM, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD STILL REMAIN.
UH, MS. ROBINSON
SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE ONE AND A HALF, UM, PARKING SPACES FOR EACH ONE BEDROOM.
WHAT WOULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT LOOK LIKE? SO IF THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT WAS VERY WALKING DISTANCE TO A TRAIN STATION, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, OR JUST HAD GREAT ACCESS TO A BUS STOP ON SAY, ONE 19, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD COULD GO DOWN TO ONE SPACE PER UNIT.
SO IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS, UH, 50 UNITS WOULD BE 50 PARKING SPACES AS OPPOSED TO, UH, THAT 50 UNITS PENCILING OUT.
IT, I THINK YOU, YOU INDICATED AN EXAMPLE OF 1.5 REQUIREMENTS.
UM, SO AS OPPOSED TO 75, THANK YOU.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S DISCRETIONARY.
UH, BOARDS WOULD BE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO DO SO.
UM, PERHAPS, UH, IT WOULD BE EXERCISED IF, UM, IS MARKETED TOWARDS, UH, SENIOR CITIZENS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR IF THEY SHOWED EVIDENCE OF, OF SHUTTLE BUS, THAT TYPE OF THING.
SO THERE REALLY IS, UH, THE DISCRETION THERE AND IT'S NOT A MANDATE TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, UH, THE TOWN STAFF, UH, UNDERTOOK ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS IN THIS PROCESS.
I WANT TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE MORE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT WE STAFF CONTEMPLATED WITH RESPECT TO PARKING, BUT DID NOT UL ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND TO BE A PART OF CHAPTER 2 8 5 AMENDMENTS.
AND THAT'S WHAT PARKING AS IT RELATES TO LARGE SHOPPING CENTERS, MANY TRANSPORTATION AND PLANNING BEST PRACTICES RECOMMEND MOVING TO A MORE STREAMLINED STANDARD FOR SHOPPING CENTERS, SUCH
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AS FOUR SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.SO THAT SIMPLY EQUATES TO ONE SPACE PER 250 FOOT SQUARE FOOT STANDARD.
SO FOR REFERENCE IN THE TOWN, RETAIL PARKS AT ONE PER 200 RESTAURANTS PARK AT ONE SPACE PER 75 SQUARE FEET.
SO THIS BEST PRACTICE AS EXAMPLE, UH, IS, IS, IS DONE BY SIMPLY TAKING, UH, CROSSROADS THE TOTAL SQUARE FEET, DIVIDING IT BY FOUR, AND YOU GET THE MAXIMUM, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF PARKING SPACES BASIS WHEN YOU DO THAT.
THE EFFECT OF THIS IS THAT IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR SHARED PARKING REDUCTIONS IN A SHOPPING CENTER LIKE CROSSROADS, BECAUSE WHAT THAT CALCULATION WOULD SHOW IS THAT THERE'S AN ABUNDANCE OF SPACES AND IN REAL TIME, I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT, UH, CROSS CROSSROADS SHOPPING CENTER, UH, THERE IS AN ABUNDANCE OF PARKING SPACES TOWN WIDE.
HOWEVER, THOUGH THERE'S ANOMALIES, A SMALLER PERCENTAGE OF OTHER CENTERS SUCH AS MIDWAY SHOPPING CENTER HAVE MORE CONSTRAINED PARKING NEEDS.
AND THIS SIMPLIFIED FOUR PER THOUSAND CALCULATION COULD REMOVE THE NEEDED DISCRETION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD EXERCISES THROUGH THE SHARED PARKING REDUCTION PROCESS.
I GUESS THE REASON I'M GIVING THAT EXAMPLE IS THAT WE, WE DID TAKE A HARD LOOK AT, UM, GET ALIGNING THE PARKING STANDARDS WITH WHAT IS MORE REAL TIME NEEDED IN THE FIELD.
UM, BUT WE JUST, WE COULDN'T FIND A UNIFORM CALCULATION THAT MADE SENSE.
AND IN GENERAL, UH, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS APPROPRIATELY BEEN EXERCISING ITS SHARED PARKING, UH, PROCESS.
AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S BEEN EFFECTIVE.
IT, IT DOES CAUSE THE BOARD TO LOOK AT MANY OF THESE PROJECTS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
UM, AND WE HAVE MADE CHANGES TO THAT SECTION TO GIVE THE PLANNING BOARD MAXIMUM DISCRETION.
UM, BUT I JUST DID WANT TO GIVE, GIVE THAT EXAMPLE AND WE DID TAKE A HARD LOOK.
IT'S JUST, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, UH, WITH THE HIGH VARIABILITY AND THE DIFFERENT TRAITS THAT A LOT OF THESE SHOPPING CENTERS HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE? NO, YOUR HONOR.
I HAD A COUPLE, MR. WEINBERG GAR ON, ON THE, THIS PARKING ISSUE YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT DALEWOOD RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, SMORE, THEIR REP, THE OWNER, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SAID THAT THE CENTER WAS, YOU KNOW, OVER PARKED AND MAYBE NOT, YOU KNOW, IN CERTAIN DEFINED AREAS, BUT IN THE AGGREGATE, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T UP TO, YOU KNOW, WHERE THINGS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE GROCERY ANCHORED SHOPPING CENTER, UH, YOU KNOW, AR AREA.
I MEAN, HA HAS, HAVE YOU OR SOMEONE IN THE PLANNING POINT TALKED TO ANY OF THE OWNERS OF THE SHOPPING CENTERS IN THE TOWN AND GET A SENSE OF WHAT THEY THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, RULES ARE OR, OR EXPECTATIONS OR NEEDS ARE, BECAUSE I GUESS THERE'S A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, ONLINE SHOPPING, YOU KNOW, USING JUST, YOU KNOW, SQUARE FOOTAGE MAY NOT, YOU KNOW, BE APPROPRIATE OR, OR VALID ANYMORE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CHANGES IN THE RETAIL BUSINESS.
I THINK GENERALLY, UM, AS LONG AS THE PROCESS IS NOT ONEROUS, UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FROM OWNERS.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, IF THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO DO A SHARED PARKING REDUCTION IN A PLACE LIKE CROSSROADS, UM, IT, IT IS A LESS COMPLEX REVIEW.
AND, AND ULTIMATELY THE, THE TIMING OF THAT FROM START TO FINISH IS, IS ADMITTEDLY MUCH FASTER THAN A SITE THAT'S, UM, MUCH MORE CRUNCHED FOR PARKING.
UM, SO IT, IT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION, UH, SOMETHING WE'LL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS WANT TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE PROPERTY MANAGERS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, IT WE, WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES.
I JUST DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, WHERE WE HAVE, UH, UH, CURB CUTS IN SHOPPING CENTERS, AND DYLAN HAD RAISED THIS WITH THE, UH, ELECTRIC CHARGING STATION DOWN BY, UH, CITIBANK AND HOMEGOODS TO PUT SOME, YOU KNOW, NO, I GUESS MARKINGS OR WHERE THE SIDEWALK INTERSECTS WITH THE STREET ON THE ENTRANCE INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER BECAUSE IT IS A PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK AND IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE, YOU KNOW, AUTOMOBILES, TRUCKS TO REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE PEDESTRIANS WALKING ON THAT SIDEWALK.
UH, SO I KNOW WE DID IT DOWN THERE AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
UM, JUST AND, AND DALEWOOD TOO.
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DALEWOOD.UH, THE IN NUMBER SIX, UH, LET'S SEE.
UH, UH, IT'S UH, CCI THINK IT'S C SIX
IT SAYS REQUIRED ACCESSORY PARKING SPACES OPEN OR ENCLOSED, SHALL BE PROVIDED UPON THE SAME LOT AS THE USE TO WHICH THEY ARE ACCESSORY.
AND THEN IT SAYS, UNLESS SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED, I SAID, I WOULD THINK IT SHOULD BE, UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFICALLY PERMITTED.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT IS.
UH, AMANDA, DOES THAT SEEM LOGICAL TO YOU? UH, JUST TO, TO MAKE THAT ADDITION.
CAN YOU PULL IT? CAN YOU PULL IT UP? YEAH, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
UNLESS OTHERWISE, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD CHANGE.
IT JUST SEEMED THAT, ANYWAY, IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, AND IT'S NOT THE, THE NUMBER OF SPACES IS A, YOU KNOW, IS NOT A WHOLE NUMBER.
IT'S WOULD COME OUT TO ONE AND A HALF OR ONE AND A QUARTER, OR WHAT'S THE ROUNDING ISSUE? SHOULDN'T THAT BE IN HERE? SO THERE'S NO ISSUE ABOUT HOW MANY SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE CHART? WELL, IT ALWAYS, WELL, NO, IF IT CAME OUT, IF THE MATH CAME OUT TO TWO AND A HALF, SHOULD IT BE TWO? IF IT CAME OUT TO TWO AND A HALF, ESSENTIALLY.
I MEAN, COULD IT BE SPELLED OUT? PROBABLY.
UM, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
WELL, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AS IF THE REQUIREMENTS TWO AND A HALF AND YOU PROVIDE TWO, YOU'RE NOT MEETING TWO AND A HALF.
SO YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE THREE TO MEET TWO AND A HALF.
THAT'S HOW I BELIEVE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
WHAT IF IT WAS TWO AND A QUARTER? IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL THREE.
IF YOU TWO DOESN'T MEET TWO, TWO AND A QUARTER, IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH SAYING SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING WHEN SOMEONE OUTSIDE READS IT.
WOULDN'T IT BE GOOD TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF ANY FRACTION GETS ROUNDED UP TO THE HIGHEST THERE, THERE COULD BE A, YOU KNOW, A A ONE-LINER ABOUT THAT.
THAT OR JUST AN ASTERISK AT THE BOTTOM COVER.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT PARKING FOR COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITIES ARE DORMITORIES INCLUDED WHERE, WHERE STUDENTS LIVE ON CAMPUS AND MAY NOT BE DRIVING OR THERE MAY NOT BE ANY AREA FOR THEM TO HAVE A CAR, EVEN IF THEY WANTED ONE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO JUST THINK ABOUT.
UH, AND WHERE DOES A, WHERE DO A DU, WHERE DOES A DU PARKING FIT IN? DOES IT, IS IT UNDER THE A DU SECTION? YES.
AND SO SHOULD THERE BE SOME REF CROSS REFERENCE IN HERE THAT WITH RESPECT TO PARKING, IN CONNECTION WITH ADUS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, REFERENCES THIS SECTION? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING.
'CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT EITHER.
UH, I NEED TO TAKE, AND I HAVE A COUPLE AND CAR WASHES FURTHER DOWN.
IT SAYS 10, I GUESS THAT'S 10 SPACES FOR EACH WASHING BAY.
BUT I, I HAD NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANT FOR PARKING.
I MEAN, WE SEE THE ONE, YOU KNOW, PARKING, YOU KNOW, CAR WASHES WHERE THEY GO RIGHT THROUGH THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, CAR WASH TWO MONTHS.
WHERE WOULD THERE BE BAYS AND IF THERE'S BAY, WELL, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT BAYS MEANS.
I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS IN A SORT OF GAS STATION WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE REPAIR WORK MONTH.
COULD BE, I INTERPRETED IT TO MEAN BAYS WHERE YOU PULL TO VACUUM THE CAR YOURSELF OR PUT AIR IN THE TIRES.
NO, THOSE ARE THE BAY ITSELF PARKING AREAS FOR VACUUMING, ET CETERA.
SO THE BAYS ARE WHERE YOU ACTUALLY PULL IN TO WASH THE CAR.
LIKE WITH THE AUTOMATED SYSTEM OR A HAND WASH, WHICHEVER IT'S CORRECT.
BUT THIS ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT'S DOUBLE COUNTING.
YOU NEED 10 FOR, FOR, FOR EACH WASHING BAY.
SO IF YOU HAD TWO LANES, YOU NEED 10 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES FOR EACH WASHING BAY.
BUT THERE AREN'T MORE PARKING SPACES IN ADDITION TO THE BAYS ARE THERE? IF I HAVE, IF I HAVE A SERVICE STATION WITH FOUR BAYS IN IT, THAT'S, I'M PARKING CARS IN THOSE BAYS TO WORK ON THEM.
I DON'T, I DON'T STILL NEED MORE PARKING OUTSIDE.
SO, BUT THIS IS FOR THE CAR WASH, SO CORRECT.
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RIGHT.I SO IT'S SAYING 10 SPACES PER WASHING BAY.
SO IF YOU HAVE TWO WASHING BAYS, YOU NEED 20 SPACES.
YOU NEED, SO ONE DRIVE THROUGH CAR WASH, YOU NEED 10 SPACE.
'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE CARS GOING THROUGH THE BAY AT THE SAME TIME.
AND THERE AT LEAST ARE SOME CAR WASHES WHERE YOU DON'T SIT IN THE CAR.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, PLUS THERE ARE ALSO ELEMENTS OF CERTAIN CAR WASHES WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN INTERIOR COMPONENT, YOU KNOW, THE LITTLE SALES STORE AND YOU MIGHT PARK AFTERWARDS.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT.
BUT THIS IS TRADITIONALLY WHAT IF YOU LOOK AT, IN, IN HERE WHERE IT SAYS USE CAR WASH 10 FOR EACH WASHING BAY.
IS THAT FOR EACH 10? DOES THAT MEAN 10 SPACES FOR EACH, EACH THE BAY.
FOR EACH BAY? SO IF I HAD 10 AREAS WHERE PEOPLE COULD VACUUM NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THE WASHING BAY, NOT THE VACUUMING.
SO IF YOU LOOK IN ARDSLEY WHERE VIC AND I AND ED LIVE, THERE'S A CAR WASH, THEY HAVE ONE BED, THERE'S NO PARKING AREA WHATSOEVER.
SO IS THIS, IF WE DO THIS, DOES THAT, NOW I REALIZE AR LEASE IS GONNA BE GRANDFATHERED IN PRESUMABLY.
BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BUILD A NEW CAR WASH WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SUFFICIENT LOT SIZE TO PERMIT 10 VEHICLES TO BE PARKED AT ANY GIVEN TIME? YES.
AND THAT IS CURRENTLY HOW IT EXISTS, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO IF YOU HAVE THE, THE WASHING BAY, RIGHT, WHERE YOU GO THROUGH AND OUTTA THE CAR WASHED, HOWEVER THAT HAPPENS, THEN YOU NEED 10 PARKING SPACES.
AND THOSE 10 PARKING SPACES, THERE CAN BE THOSE, THOSE PULL DOWN VACUUMS YOU QUITE OFTEN SEE NOWADAYS, OR SOMETIMES THEY HAVE GARBAGE CANS FOR PEOPLE TO THROW OUT THINGS OUT OF THEIR CAR.
OR MAYBE YOU WANNA STOP IT AND GET A CHRISTMAS GIFT FOR SOMEONE TO GET THEIR CAR WASHED ALL YEAR LONG.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PARKING SPACE, SO JUST PIGGYBACKING OFF THAT.
UM, A LOT OF, AT LEAST WHAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY ARE THE, UM, OPERATORS OF THOSE TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS UTILIZING THE PARKING SPACES AS THE VACUUM SPACES, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD COUNT.
SO A PLACE LIKE, UH, THE ONE IN ELMSFORD, LIKE MR. BUBBLES, UH, WHEN YOU COME OUT OF THE WASH, YOU PULL, THEY PULL THE CAR TO THE SIDE AND YOU COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY SIX, SEVEN CARS THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, CLEANING UP, WIPING DOWN, CLEANING THE WINDOWS.
IS THAT CONSIDERED A BAY? NO, THE BAY IS WHAT YOU'RE PULLING THROUGH THE WASHING BAY.
THE WASHING PART IS THE BAY THROUGH THE WASHING AREA.
CARS, 10 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES PER BAY.
MOST CAR WASHES AROUND HERE ARE ONE BAY.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE EMPLOYEE PARKING AND CORRECT.
IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE STOPPING IN FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY SOMETIMES SOME OF THEM MELT SELL, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AIR FRESHENERS OR OTHER CAR ACCESSORIES, ARMOR ROLL OR, OR SOME, YOU KNOW, I THINK MANY OF THEM YOU NOW PAY ON A SCREEN.
BUT TO THE EXTENT YOU MIGHT NEED TO GO INSIDE IF YOU WANT TO PAY CASH.
YOU KNOW, I GUESS WHAT HAD ME CONFUSED IS THE, THE TERM BAY.
I DIDN'T THINK THE TERM BAY RELATED TO THE AUTOMATIC, YOU KNOW, WASHING PART.
WASHING PART WHERE YOU PULL IN, YEAH.
YOU'RE IN YOUR CAR AND IT GET, DRAG YOU THROUGH TO THE END.
THAT DIDN'T TO ME THAT THE TERM BAIT DIDN'T SEEM TO, TO RELATE TO THAT
SO BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SIT THERE WASH WASHING TI WOULD YEAH, IT'S MORE OF A TUNNEL.
IT JUST DIDN'T, IT SEEMED THE MECHANICAL FEATURES OF THE CAR WASH.
ARE ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR I, ONE, ONE OTHER IN USE? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT AUTOMOBILE VEHICLE REPAIR SHOPS.
I MEAN, WE SEE NEW CAR DEALERS, BUT IT SHOULD THAT BE COVERED CLOSER IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS? UM, NOT IN THE DS OR THE C DISTRICT.
UH, NOT IN THESE PARTICULAR DISTRICTS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE, YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE MORE.
WHEN YOU DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, AND I'M LOOKING AT USE UNDER E UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ONE FAMILY HOUSES, HOW, HOW DO YOU DISTINGUISH THE REQUIREMENTS? 'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT, SOMETHING APPLIES TO A ONE FAMILY HOUSE.
WHAT ABOUT A TWO AND THREE FAMILY HOUSE? THAT'S SORT OF LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE A HOUSE.
IT'S NOT A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING IN THE SENSE THAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, FOUR UNITS OR EIGHT UNITS OR MORE
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AND MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT.I MEAN, THERE'S ALL STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
UM, THERE'S FLOOR AREA RATIO, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT PARAMETERS.
UM, BUT I THINK WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OFFLINE.
UM, YEAH, GARRETT, ARE YOU STILL DOING THOSE, THOSE DROP-IN MEETINGS? OR MAY MAYBE YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE ONE OR TWO MORE? YEAH, WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE? SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I I WANTED TO POINT OUT.
UH, PLAN OR BRI, IF YOU JUST WANNA START AT THE TOP AND ZOOM IN.
UM, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M BEING OVERLY SENSITIVE, BUT IN, IN A ONE WHERE IT REFERENCES MINIMUM SETBACK DISTANCES, I FEEL LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE DOCUMENT IT SAYS MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WOULD BE ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT AREN'T DISTANCE RELATED, BUT THAT, THAT JUST SORT OF JUMPED OUT AT ME AS, AS AN INCONSISTENCY, DO DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT.
UM, SIMILARLY IN A TWO IT SAYS, UH, SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE BUILDING, BY THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.
I, I WOULD PROBABLY BE SPECIFIC AND SAY BY THE COMMISSIONER OF DPW OR THEIR DESIGNEE, JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND WHO, WHO THE, WHO'S IN CHARGE, WHO, WHO'S ACTUALLY THE APPROVAL, THE APPROVAL INDIVIDUAL.
UM, AGAIN, I MIGHT BE BEING OVERLY SENSITIVE, BUT THERE'S REFERENCE TO GIVEN DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER AND ELSEWHERE IT'S ZONING DISTRICT.
SO I, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISTRICT BUT A ZONING DISTRICT.
BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE CLEARER.
UM, THERE, THERE'S INCONSISTENT USE OF APPROVING BOARD AND APPROVING AGENCY.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY PICK ONE AND, AND STICK WITH IT.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TR DISTRICT, WELL HOLD ON A SECOND.
SO IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE A BOARD.
IT COULD BE DOT, IT COULD BE THE COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, UM, DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S REFERENCED.
SO IT COULD BE A BOARD, IT COULD REFERENCE YEAH, THOSE WOULD BE STRAIGHT BUILDING PERMIT.
THE ONE, THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT IS FIVE B SUFFICIENT LAND AREA EXISTS FOR LAND BANKED OFF STREET PARKING SPACES, SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN OR AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND RELATED APPROVALS IF DEEMED NECESSARY FROM THE APPROPRIATE APPROVING AGENCY.
AND SO I WOULD THINK IF THAT SITE PLAN, THAT'S PROBABLY AN PROVEN BOARD, WHETHER IT THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY FOR A WAIVER OCCASIONALLY, DEPENDING UPON THE MAGNITUDE OF THE PROJECT AND OR IF IT'S A GOVERNMENT BASED PROJECT.
SO THAT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT COULD STILL BE AN AGENCY.
UM, YEAH, THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST SUBSTANTIVE COMMENT.
SO IN, IN THE USES IT LISTS ELEMENTARY OR JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN CONFUSION IN THE PAST ABOUT WHAT JURISDICTION OR WHAT, WHAT OVERSIGHT THE TOWN HAS OVER PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
UM, AND, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE THEIR OWN MUNICIPALITY AND ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, THEIR LAND USE REVIEW PROCESS IS RUN THROUGH THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THE GREENBURG TOWN CODE WOULD ONLY APPLY TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS, I WOULD BE EXCEPTIONALLY CLEAR IN THIS SECTION THAT WHEN IT'S SETTING PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR ELEMENTARY OR JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOLS, AND I'D PROBABLY ADD MIDDLE, UM, THAT THESE ARE, THESE ARE PRIVATE SCHOOLS, NOT NOT PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT MIGHT EXIST WITHIN, WITHIN THE TOWN.
OH, AND THEN I, I, I KNOW WE WENT BACK AND FORTH SIMILARLY ON BANKS AND POST OFFICES AND YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS A POST OFFICE? BUT I, I THINK WE, WE RESOLVED THAT, UM, WE DID DISCUSS THAT.
UH OH, WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE MINUTES.
AND ONE OTHER THING, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IN THE LAST MEETING WE, WE, UH, WERE BRIEFED ON THE NEW EV CHARGING STATIONS.
UM, HERE IN USE, THERE'S THE GASOLINE SERVICE STATION.
THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO THE EV CHARGING STATIONS.
SO WHETHER GASOLINE SERVICE STATIONS SHOULD BE EXPANDED TO BOTH GASOLINE AND EV CHARGING AND HAVE THE SAME PARKING REQUIREMENTS, OR WHETHER WE MIGHT WANNA CREATE
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SEPARATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR EV CHARGING STATIONS.RIGHT NOW, THE CODE IS, IS SILENT ON PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR EV CHARGING STATIONS.
UM, UH, THAT IS ALL TO BE CLEAR.
UH, YOU MEAN YOU CHARGING HUBS, RIGHT? SORRY, EV CHARGING HUBS.
AND THEN, UM, YEAH, IN TERMS, AND THEN LASTLY IN SECTION H, IT LISTS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED BY THE DIRECTION OF THE TOWN BOARD, THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS OR THE PLANNING BOARD.
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE ONE OR TWO SPECIAL PERMITS LEFT FOR THE ZBA, BUT, BUT IF YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE MAY NOT BE BY THE END OF THIS RECOMMENDATION, UM, ZBA MIGHT NOT NEED TO BE LISTED THERE.
AND YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT CONTINUING CARE FACILITIES COMMISSIONER? YEAH, WE'RE OKAY FOR A COUPLE MORE MINUTES? UH, I'LL CONTINUE.
SO GREENBERG HAS A GOOD VARIETY OF SENIOR AND SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING.
THESE INCLUDE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, NURSING HOMES, INDEPENDENT SENIOR HOUSING, AND COMBINATION.
PROPOSED FOR THESE USES IS A STANDARDIZATION OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS AND PROCEDURES FOR CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES.
THE NUMBER OF BEDS PER ACRE IS UPDATED TO 15 PER ACRE AS A REQUIREMENT IN IT DENSITY STANDARD.
THIS WOULD REPLACE THE CURRENT RATIO BASED REQUIREMENT FOR THE MIX OF NURSING INDEPENDENT, SENIOR AND OR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY BEDS SPECIFIED SUCH A CHANGE ALIGNS WITH THE BEDS PER ACRE REQUIREMENT FOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES, NURSING HOMES, AND CONTINUUM OF CARE FACILITIES.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES IS PROPOSED TO BE UPDATED TO THREE STORIES AND 40 FEET WITH THE TOWN BOARD, GIVEN THE DISCRETION TO APPROVE UP TO FOUR STORIES AND 55 FEET OR TOPOGRAPHY, LANDSCAPING OR OTHER CONDITIONS ARE DEEMED TO WARRANTED.
AND THIS WOULD ALIGN WITH THE HEIGHT PROVISIONS SIMILAR TO SENIOR HOUSING USES.
LASTLY, ONE QUICK UPDATE ON THE RECENTLY APPROVED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT LEGISLATION AND AN OFFSHOOT OFFSHOOT UPDATES 2 85 WITH RESPECT TO UPDATES TO ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS PLUS FOUR P AND C STAFF HAVE RECEIVED ONE FORMAL A DU APPLICATION THAT IS PRESENTLY IN REVIEW BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD FAIRLY SOON.
EXPECTATIONS ARE THAT AT LEAST ANOTHER ONE OR FEW WILL FOLLOW LATER THIS YEAR.
NOW, NOT IN ACCESSORY DRILLING UNIT, BUT JUST A REMINDER THAT THE CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS REMOVE THE RESTRICTION ON HAVING A SECOND KITCHEN IN ONE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
WHAT THIS ALLOWS IS FOR ONE, TO HAVE APPROVED THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT, A SECOND PERMIT, A SECOND KITCHEN, WHICH COULD FACILITATE A FAMILY MEMBER THAT SEEKS INDEPENDENCE TO HAVE ACCOMMODATIONS THAT ARE NOT BUILT, NOT APPROVED, NOR PERMITTED TO BE USED IN A MANNER THAT AN A DU IS APPROVED FOR.
AND THIS WAS A NEED THAT WAS EXPRESSED DURING THE A DU PUBLIC HEARINGS AND IS A PART OF THE CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS FOR TONIGHT.
THAT CONCLUDED, UM, MY REMARKS, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
ANY FINAL QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE? NO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I I WANTED TO NOTE, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD.
SO, UH, YEAH, I, I GUESS, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU WALK US THROUGH WHERE WE, UH, NOW THAT THIS IS OUR LAST PRESENTATION, SORT OF WHERE, WHAT, WHAT OUR ROADMAP LOOKS LIKE FROM HERE.
RIGHT? SO THE PLANNING BOARD HAS HAD FOUR SEPARATE MEETINGS WHERE, UH, DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE PROPOSED CHAPTER 2 85 ZONING, TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED.
UM, STAFF IS COMPILED SOME GREAT COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS SUGGESTED BY, UH, THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ARE TWO THINGS.
ONE, WE'RE GONNA PUT TOGETHER KIND OF AN INFORMAL LISTING OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND COMMENTS MADE BY BOARD MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THESE FOUR MEETINGS.
UM, AND PUT THAT TOGETHER, LIKE I SAID, AN INFORMAL DOCUMENT THAT WILL GO OUT IN YOUR NEXT PACKAGES SO THAT YOU CAN REVIEW THOSE, SEE IF WE HIT EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAD TOUCHED ON AT THE MEETINGS, WHETHER WE NEED TO ADD, EDIT, OR DELETE WITH THE GOAL OF, AT THAT POINT, PERHAPS ON JULY 15TH, DIRECTING STAFF TO FORMALIZE THOSE POINTS INTO A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION THAT
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THE BOARD CAN REVIEW.YOU KNOW, PERHAPS AT THE AUGUST 5TH MEETING.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, FOR JULY 15TH, STAFF AND AND CHAIRPERSON PINE HAVE DISCUSSED, UH, SOMETHING THAT CAME UP PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WAS, IT WOULD BE BE BENEFICIAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO GET ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AS PART OF A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.
AND, UH, WE THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS BOARD TO SCHEDULE THAT PUBLIC DISCUSSION FOR JULY 15TH.
WE WOULD PUT NOTIFICATION INTO THE NEWSPAPER.
WE DO AN EMAIL BLAST, UH, AN EBLAST WITH LINKS TO, UM, NOT ONLY ALL THE CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS BEING PROPOSED, BUT ALSO WORKING WITH OUR CABLE ACCESS, PUTTING TOGETHER A YOUTUBE VIDEO OF THE, THE FOUR MEETINGS WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THESE VARIOUS TOPICS AND AMENDMENTS.
AND, UH, THE FIRST THREE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
SO I BELIEVE TERRENCE AND SAM WOULD TAKE THIS EVENING'S DISCUSSION, PATCH IT IN WITH THE OTHER THREE, AND THEN WE'D BE ABLE TO POST THAT AS WELL.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE TWO UPDATES THERE.
IF FOR ANY REASON, UM, YOU KNOW, THINGS GET BUMPED BACK, WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT ON THE 15TH OF JULY, AND WE NEED TO TAKE MORE TIME IN ON AUGUST 5TH, THAT'S FINE.
UH, I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD POSITION WITH RESPECT TO THIS BOARD ISSUING ITS REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TOWN BOARD.
AND WE CERTAINLY AS STAFF, APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THAT THE PLANNING BOARD SPENT ON THESE MATTERS.
NO, I, I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE ALL THE STAFF HAS DONE TO, TO PREPARE US TO, TO HAVE THESE SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSIONS.
UM, THAT TIMELINE SOUNDS, SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
UM, IF WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON JULY 15, WE SHOULD PROBABLY GET, UM, SOMETHING SENT OUT OVER THE GB LIST SOONER THAN LATER TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, ABSORB AGAIN, THE TRACK CHANGES, ABSORB, AND WATCH THE, THE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE RECEIVED AND, UM, BE PREPARED FOR, FOR COMMENT ON, ON JULY 15TH.
UM, I HAVEN'T FULLY THOUGHT OUT WHAT, WHAT THAT EVENING WILL LOOK LIKE YET.
TYPICALLY, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD DOES NOT HAVE A TIME RESTRICTION ON, ON PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENTS, OR TYPICALLY THE PLANNING BOARD DOES NOT HAVE TIME RESTRICTIONS DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, BUT BASED ON HOW MANY, UH, COMMUNITY MEMBERS COME OUT THAT EVENING, UM, WE MAY DECIDE TO, TO PUT SOME TIME LIMIT ON PUBLIC COMMENT SO THAT WE'RE NOT HERE ALL NIGHT AND, AND EVERY COMMUNITY MEMBER HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
SO, UM, I'LL, I'LL WORK WITH STAFF ON SKETCHING OUT WHAT, WHAT THOSE PARAMETERS MIGHT BE.
AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE'LL MAKE A GAME TIME DECISION BASED ON, ON HOW MANY PEOPLE COME OUT FOR, FOR THE 15TH.
SO IT'S AN AGGRESSIVE, UH, CALENDARING TO GET IT DONE BY THE 15TH.
AND SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE COMMENTS WHEN, WHEN WE GET COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND, UH, THEY, THEY'RE COMMENTS THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING, DO WE POSTPONE GOING TO THE TOWN BOARD? SO I, I CAN ANSWER THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA DEDICATE, UM, THIS PROBABLY A SPEC SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THE 15TH.
IF, YOU KNOW, THERE HAPPENS TO BE 60 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND WE CAN'T GET TO EVERYBODY, THEN WE WOULD CARRY IT OVER, BE VERY HAPPY TO GET 60 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM,
UM, BUT LET'S JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ALLOCATE AN HOUR AND A HALF AND THERE ARE 20 PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK AND THEY TAKE FOUR MINUTES A PIECE, AND WE GET THROUGH IT IN AN HOUR AND A HALF.
WE'RE GONNA ALSO SET ASIDE SOME TIME FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO TALK ABOUT THE COMMENTS RECEIVED THAT WILL ALLOW STAFF TO UPDATE THAT BULLETED LIST TO UNDERSTAND ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS OR MODIFICATIONS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT, ALL IN AN EFFORT TO PREPARE THAT, THE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR REVIEW AND DRAFT REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR REVIEW AND DISCUSSION ON AUGUST 5TH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHERE THE BOARD SITS ON AUGUST 5TH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, THERE COULD BE SOME FINAL FINE TUNING AND THEN VOTE ON IT AT OUR FIRST SEPTEMBER MEETING.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S PROBABLY THE GAME PLAN AT THIS STAGE.
WHAT, WHAT MATERIALS ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE TO THE PUBLIC IN ADVANCE OF A PUBLIC HEARING? AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UM, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THE MASTER RED LINE DOCUMENT OF ALL THE TRACK CHANGES TO THE ENTIRE 2 85, I BELIEVE IT'S 400 PLUS PAGES YEAH.
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THE E-BLAST THAT GOES OUT MM-HMMIT'LL ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PUT SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE AND WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A YOUTUBE VIDEO OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THIS BOARD IS HELD ON THE VARIOUS AMENDMENTS AND, AND THE RED LINE TRACK CHANGES VERSION THAT'S BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC FOR MONTHS NOW.
UM, SINCE, SINCE THE TOWN BOARD FIRST, UH, UH, REFERRED, REFERRED THE CHANGES TO US.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT THE, THE REAL, UM, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT CIVIC LEADERS HAVE ALREADY SEEN THAT DOCUMENT AND HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO DIGEST IT THEMSELVES, SENDING IT OUT AS PART OF OUR ANNOUNCEMENT IS JUST REINFORCING WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY RECEIVED.
IS THIS, UH, ALSO GONNA BE, UH, VIA ZOOM? YES.
IT'LL BE OUR REGULAR PUBLIC, PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, PROCEDURES.
WITH POTENTIALLY A TIME RESTRICTION BASED ON, BASED ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WE GET.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A STENOGRAPHER.
SO EVERYTHING WILL BE DOCUMENTED, RECORDED.
I'M ASSUMING IT'S GONNA BE BASICALLY, UH, SITE ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS,
AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, THIS IS JUST PUBLIC COMMENT FOR, FOR, TO INFORM US AS WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
ONCE IT GOES TO THE TOWN BOARD, THE TOWN BOARD WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, RIGHT.
BEFORE THEY ULTIMATELY MAKE IT MIGHT BE MULTIPLE.
BEFORE, BEFORE THEY ULTIMATELY MAKE THEIR, THEIR FINAL DECISIONS.
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THAT.
SO THIS IS NOT THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE TO, TO INFLUENCE, UH, THE OUTCOME OF THIS DOCUMENT.
UH, THANK YOU DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT.
UM, SO MOVING ON TO OUR ADDITIONAL OLD, I GUESS, HOW'S EVERYONE FEELING? WE, WE WANT A BREAK? ARE WE READY TO PUSH THROUGH? I'M FINE.
UH, SO MOVING ON TO OUR, UH, ADDITIONAL OLD BUSINESS FOR OUR WORK SESSION.
UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 26 0 5, BARCA AT EIGHT WILLOW LANE PO IRVINGTON.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
UM, A DRAFT DECISION WAS DISTRIBUTED IN OUR PACKETS.
UM, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE DRAFT DECISION AND SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE, THE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS RELATED TO THE DECISION? YES.
SO FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THAT WAS HELD ON JUNE 17TH, UH, NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED.
UM, THE BOARD IS SCHEDULED TO CONSIDER TWO VOTES THIS EVENING.
ONE TO CONSIDER CLASSIFYING THE PROPOSED ACTION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER SEEKER.
AND SECONDLY, TO CONSIDER A VOTE ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
AS THIS IS A VERY BASIC LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT TYPE APPLICATION.
UM, THERE ARE NO OUT OF THE ORDINARY OR SITE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OR CONDITIONS, UH, LISTED WITHIN THE APPROVAL LETTER.
SO, UH, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
OTHERWISE, THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER THOSE TWO VOTES.
ANY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DRAFT DECISION? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLASSIFY THE ACTION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION UNDER CCR.
UM, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPLICATION AS DISTRIBUTED.
NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 24 0 9 CHOW, UH, CLAYTON ROAD, PO SCARSDALE, NEW YORK.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A FINAL SUBDIVISION, A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND TRIO REMOVAL PERMIT, UH, MR. BERNSTEIN REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
UM, I WILL JUST BRIEFLY DESCRIBE WHAT THIS IS FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT, UH, WHO AREN'T INVOLVED.
THIS IS A, UH, BASICALLY A, UH, A TWO ACRE RE SUBDIVISION, UH, OFF OF CLAYTON ROAD IN EDGEMONT.
UM, ORIGINALLY, UH, THE BOARD MERGED A THREE TAX LOTS, UH, THERE TO CREATE A SINGLE LOT IN 20 22, 20 23.
UH, THE, UH, THE APPLICANT WAS UNABLE TO SELL THE LAND, UH, IN CONTEMPLATION OF A CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO THE APPLICANT, UM, PROPOSED,
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UH, CREATING TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON THAT SITE.UM, AND WHAT WAS UNIQUE ABOUT IT, UM, WAS THAT IN ORDER TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE PRESERVE TREES, THE PLANNING BOARD AND STAFF WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT AGREED THAT IT MADE MORE SENSE NOT TO HAVE THE ACCESS STRIP, UM, BE USED TO CREATE A ROAD IMPROVED TO TOWN STANDARDS.
THAT WOULD BE A STANDARD ROAD OF 26 FOOT OF 26 FOOT WIDE ROAD, BUT RATHER RECOMMENDED THAT THE ROAD THERE BE A SHARED DRIVEWAY IN EFFECT THAT WOULD BE 20 FEET WIDE RATHER THAN 26 FEET WIDE.
THAT ALLOWED FOR THE PRESERVATION OF TREES ALONG THE ACCESS STRIP, WHICH, UM, PROTECTS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS SCREEN, PROVIDES SCREENING.
AND, UH, UH, IT ALSO ALLOWED FOR, UH, THE PRESERVATION OF MORE TREES ON THE TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
SO TO DO THAT, UH, REQUIRED VARIANCES, WHICH THE PLANNING BOARD SUPPORTED, UH, AND THE ZONING BOARD GRANTED THE VARIANCES WITH THE PLANNING BOARD SUPPORT.
SO THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS, UH, PROJECT SOMEWHAT UNIQUE, UM, BECAUSE THE PLANNING BOARD TOOK AN ACTIVE ROLE IN RECOMMENDING THAT THE VARIANCES BE GRANTED SO AS TO PRESERVE, UH, TREES, UH, UH, AND, AND, UH, UH, IMPROVE THE SCREENING OR MAINTAIN THE SCREENING FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS.
AND NOW WE'RE AT THIS FINAL APPROVAL STAGE.
UM, THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WAS GRANTED LAST OCTOBER.
UM, THERE WERE SOME DELAYS, UH, AND WE NEEDED TO GET AN EXTENSION OF THE SIX 180 DAYS, WHICH WE OBTAINED, I GUESS IN APRIL.
UH, AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING COMPLETED, UH, AND, UH, FROM THE COUNTY.
UH, AND WE GOT THE PLOT SIGNED BY THE COUNTY.
UH, AND, UH, I'VE REVIEWED, UH, YOUR, UH, PROPOSED, UH, FINAL APPROVAL LANGUAGE AND I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO.
UM, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD, UM, FOR CONTEXT OF THE DRAFT DECISION? UH, AND COULD YOU, I KNOW THERE'S QUITE A FEW SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, UM, IF YOU WANNA HIGHLIGHT, HIGHLIGHT ALL OF THEM OR THE ONES YOU THINK ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THE VOTES FIRST.
UM, AS INDICATED IN THE COVER LETTER, UH, DATED JUNE 15TH, SUBMITTED BY MR. BERNSTEIN IN, ALONG WITH HIS REQUEST THAT THE BOARD, UH, CONSIDER FINAL SUBDIVISION, HE DID NOTE THAT THERE WAS ONE MINOR REVISION OF THE PLAT SINCE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS APPROVED.
AND THAT WAS SIMPLY, UH, THE ADDITION OF A DESCRIPTION OF THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING WATER AND SEWER MAINS ON CLAYTON ROAD AT THE REQUEST OF THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
SO THAT BEING SAID, THE FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME AS THE APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT AND ALSO COMPLIES WITH THE CONDITIONS REQUIRED BY THE BOARD AS PART OF PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL.
SO, UM, THE BOARD MAY CONSIDER VOTING ON WAIVING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE WILL BE VOTES TO CONSIDER THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT APPROVAL, AND THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVAL.
IN TERMS OF SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, I CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION, UH, VARIOUS CONDITIONS BEGINNING ON PAGE EIGHT, UNDER SECTION FIVE.
SO I'LL JUST RECITE THEM QUICKLY.
5.1, WHICH STATES THAT PRIOR TO OBTAINING A BUILDING PERMIT, THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY CLERK A PERMANENT ACCESS EASEMENT FOR FIRE ACCESS.
AS DEPICTED ON THE PLANS LISTED IN SECTION ONE OF THIS APPROVAL, A COPY OF WHICH SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, 5.2 STATES, UH, OR INDICATES THE PRIVATE ROAD TO BE KNOWN AS GOLDEN WAY SHALL BE COMPLETED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS LISTED IN SECTION ONE OF THIS APPROVAL.
EXCEPT FOR A TOP COAT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMIT FOR ANY PROPOSED HOME, 5.3
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NO VEHICLES MAY BE PARKED WITHIN THE FIRE ACCESS EASEMENT AS DEPICTED ON THE PLANS LISTED IN SECTION ONE 5.4, THE PRIVATE ROAD AND LOT SHALL BE JOINTLY AND SEVERALLY OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE OWNERS OF THE TWO RESIDENTIAL LOTS THAT ARE THE SUBJECT OF THIS SUBDIVISION.THE APPLICANT SHALL KEEP THE RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENT RECORDED IN LIBOR 5 2 2 1, PAGE 3 0 8 WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY CLERK LAND RECORDS DIVISION, CLEAR OF ANY OBSTRUCTIONS.
AND WE HEARD FROM A RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, DURING THE PRIOR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL ABOUT WANTING TO KEEP THAT EASEMENT MAINTAINED AND CLEAR OF ANY OBSTRUCTION.
UM, AND, AND THE PLOT DELINEATES THAT EASEMENT, THE PLOT DOES INDICATE THAT AS WELL.
UM, THOSE ARE THE SITE SPECIFICS THAT I WANTED TO CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE, UM, AND THAT WAS REALLY AT THE OTHER CONDITIONS FOUND WITHIN THIS DRAFT DECISION ARE, UH, PRETTY CUSTOMARY FOR SUB SUBDIVISION OF THIS TYPE.
I WILL NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, UM, DID PROVIDE THE RECREATION LAND FEE THIS EVENING.
UM, SO THE BOARD WILL ACCEPT THAT AND I WILL PROVIDE IT TO OUR OFFICE MANAGER IN THE MORNING.
ANY QUESTIONS? NO, MR. WEINBERG, UH, FIRST I HAVE, I WAS LOOKING AT THE SURVEY AND THERE'S ON LOT ONE, THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY THAT GOES THROUGH.
WHAT IS THAT? THAT RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS A PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, WAS CREATED, UM, DECADES AGO, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH, UH, THE CONTEMPLATION THAT THESE LOTS WOULD BE RESIDENTIALLY DEVELOPED.
UM, AND THE IDEA WAS THEY WERE GOING TO RUN A SEWER LINE DOWNHILL TOWARD UNDERHILL ROAD AND THE QUID PRO QUO FOR RUNNING THE SEWER LINE, UH, ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY TO UNDERHILL ROAD WAS THAT THE OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY TO WALK THEIR DOG ON CLAYTON ROAD OVER TO CLAYTON ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS CREATED YEARS AGO AND WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT.
UH, THERE'S NO NEED ANYMORE FOR THE SEWER EASEMENT, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE CONNECTING THE SEWER ON CLAYTON RATHER THAN UNDERHILL.
IN THOSE DAYS, GRAVITY MATTERED THESE DAYS NOT SO MUCH.
SO, UH, IT WAS CHEAPER TO CONNECT THE SEWER BY WAY OF, OF, UH, CLAYTON.
BUT THE, THE, UH, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HA HAS THE RIGHT TO THAT EASEMENT HAD MADE CLEAR DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS THAT THEY WISHED THAT TO HAVE THAT MAINTAINED, AND WE RESPECTED THAT.
UM, SO THE, UH, UH, THE CONTEMPLATION IS THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE SOLD TO A DEVELOPER AND THAT DEVELOPER HAS TO RESPECT THAT EASEMENT OR NEGOTIATE WITH THE OWNER IF THEY WANT TO HAVE IT MOVED.
BUT THAT'S A PRIVATE ARRANGEMENT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, UH, DONE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE OWNER OF THAT PROP OF THAT EASEMENT.
AND, UH, I MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE.
DOES THAT GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND? YEAH, YEAH.
AND THEN, UH, ON GOLDEN WAY, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE OWNERS
EX MR. UM, GENTLEMEN IN THE REAR THAT ARE OUTSIDE IN THE LOBBY, IF YOU COULD PLEASE KEEP IT DOWN.
WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MEETING THAT'S PUBLISHED IN HERE.
WERE YOU PLANNING TO HAVE SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT OR COVENANT BETWEEN THE TWO OWNERS IN TERMS OF THE OBLIGATION TO MAINTAIN IT? THAT'S A CONDITION OF THE, OF THE, UH, SUBDIVISION APPROVAL THAT, UH, UM, THE AREA WHERE, WHERE THE, THE, THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE CREATED, THAT WHOLE LOT IS TO BE JOINTLY OWNED, UH, UH, JOINTLY AND SEVERALLY OWNED BY THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT.
UM, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MA MAKING SURE THAT NO CARS ARE PARKED ALONG THE, THE, THE ACCESS STRIP, UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ACCESS TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO HAVE ACCESS TO.
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THOSE ARE ALL OBLIGATIONS THAT'LL BE BUILT IN TO THE OWNERSHIP OF THE LOTS WHEN THEY'RE TRANSFERRED TO THE INDIVIDUAL OWNERS.WHAT HAPPENS IF, LET'S SAY THE LOT WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY DOESN'T GET TRANSFERRED, WHO TAKES CARE OF THE, UH, GOLDEN WAY? IS THAT A CURIOSITY OUT OF IF ONE IS SOLD AND ONE IS NOT SOLD? YEAH, THEN THE OWNERSHIP, IT RESTS WITH THE DEVELOPER.
SO THE CHOWS WOULD, WOULD BE NOT THE CHOW? WELL, IF THE CHOWS OR, UH, A, A SUBSEQUENT, UH, UH, IF A DEVELOP, WHAT, WHAT WE CONTEMPLATE HAPPENING HERE, UM, IS THAT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED TO A DEVELOPER.
IT HASN'T BEEN TRANSFERRED YET.
THERE'S NO CONTRACT YET, BUT I ANTICIPATE THERE WILL BE ONE.
AND IF THE DEVELOPER IS ONLY ABLE TO SELL ONE OF THE LOTS UNDER THE TERMS OF THIS SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE RESTS WITH THE OWNER WHO WOULD BE THE DEVELOPER IF HE HASN'T SOLD THE LOT.
AND THEN THE OTHER, THE OWNER TO HIM, HE DID SELL THE LOT.
AND YOU'RE NOT PLANNING TO HAVE A WRITTEN, ANY SORT OF WRITTEN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TWO, THE OWNERS, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THEIR DEED.
THERE, IT HAS TO BE AS A CONDITION OF, OF, OF SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, THESE UNDERSTANDINGS HAVE TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DEED SO THAT THE OWNER KNOWS THAT THEY ARE OBLIGATED WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES FOR MAINTAINING THE ACCESS STRIP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SITE, UH, UH, CONDITIONS, UH, THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER THIS APPROVAL.
SO THAT HA AND THE REASON IT HAS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DEED IS THAT THESE OBLIGATIONS RUN WITH THE LAND.
AND SO IT'S GOTTA BE EXIST IN PERPETUITY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL DO.
I MEAN, YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY FOR WELL, IF I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE DEVELOPER, WHICH I MIGHT BE NOT, WE DON'T KNOW YET.
IF NOT, THEN WHOEVER THE DEVELOPERS AREN'T, THE CHOWS GOING TO DE DEED IT TO THE DEVELOPER.
SO SHOULDN'T THAT BE IN THE DEED FROM THE CHOWS TO THE DEVELOPER? THE, THE CONTRACT OF SALE BETWEEN THE CHOWS AND THE DEVELOPER WILL BE INCORPORATING BY REFERENCE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION, FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS MM-HMM
ARE GOING TO BE ASSUMED BY THE DEVELOPER, UH, ASSUMING HE BUYS THE PROPERTY AND, AND HE'S LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO COMPLY WITH THEM IF HE WANTS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THAT'S A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UM, FOR MR. BERNSTEIN OR, OR DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT? NO.
AND I JUST WANNA ASK, DID I CORRECT STATE THAT CORRECTLY? UH, AMANDA? YES, YOU DID.
NO, I JUST WANNA BE SURE I WAS STATING IT ACCURATELY.
UM, SO I GUESS THE, THE FIRST VOTE WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING, UH, IS TO WAIVE THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR, UM, FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION, CORRECT? YES.
I, I THINK WE'VE HAD SUBSTANTIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, UM, BOTH AT THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD LEVEL.
UM, I KNOW THE, THE SUBSTANTIVE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
AND SO I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE, UH, WAIVING THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO WAIVE THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SUBDIVISION.
WAS THAT MR. PILLINGER? NO, THAT WAS MR. MR. WEINBERG.
UH, NEXT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION AS DISTRIBUTED.
UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AS DISTRIBUTED.
UH, AND LASTLY, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE TRIO REMOVAL PERMIT AS DISTRIBUTED RIGHT OUTTA BOARD MEMBERS.
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IT WASN'T ME.MR. WEINBERG? ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE.
WE WERE DOING SO WELL BEING ORDERLY.
AND, AND THEN WE, UH, WE BROKE THE CHAIN.
THANK MUCH AND APPRECIATE YOUR, UH, YOUR HELP.
WE HAVE TWO, UH, NEW BUSINESS ITEMS FOR OUR WORK SESSION.
THE FIRST IS CASE NUMBER PB 25 37, UH, ACP TWO FAIRVIEW, LLC AT 1 0 2 FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE IN PO.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A WETLAND WATER HORSE PERMIT.
BOARD MEMBERS AND, UH, TOWN STAFF.
I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT.
I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO DO, AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME ALREADY, AS HAVE I, UM, JUST TO GO THROUGH THE PROJECT QUICKLY.
SO, UM, THE PROJECT'S LOCATED ON A FOUR ACRE SITE.
UH, IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, UH, PARKING AREA.
UH, THERE'S AN IRREGULAR CURB AND IT BORDERS A PARKING LOT.
SO THEY HAD A, UH, ESSENTIALLY A, A, A TURNAROUND IN THE FRONT THAT WAS NOT BEING USED AND THEY WANTED TO MAXIMIZE THE PARKING.
AND IF I CAN SHARE, I WANT TO SHARE MY SCREEN.
UH, SO THIS AREA HERE IN THE FRONT RIGHT ON ON FAIRVIEW WAS MODIFIED AND YOU CAN SEE THE HATCHED AREA.
AND THAT WAS PART OF AN ASPHALT, UH, DRIVEWAY OR, UH, THOROUGHFARE BACK TO, UH, FAIRVIEW.
THEY, UM, SINCE HAD CREATED 14 SPOTS THERE, UM, AND ACTUALLY LESSENED THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
UM, BUT, UM, THERE WAS NO PROVISION FOR ANY, UH, COAL TEXT THERE, UM, WHICH WE HAVE SHOWN IN OUR DESIGN.
AND THEN SECONDLY, THEY TOOK WHAT WAS, I GUESS, BACK IN THE DAY, A A CURB AREA THAT RAN ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY DOWN THE SIDE AND, AND BACK HERE, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM.
AND THEY CREATED A, UM, A VARYING HEIGHT WALL AS HIGH AS FIVE FEET.
UM, AND WE HAD, UH, WE HAD A, UH, UM, ENGINEERING COMPANY, SITE DESIGN CONSULTANTS, UH, GET INVOLVED WITH US FOR, FOR THIS, UH, PROJECT.
AND, UH, THEY, UH, CREATED A REPORT, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU SHOULD HAVE, WHICH, UH, BASICALLY STATED THAT, UH, UH, IT REALLY WAS A NON-EVENT.
UM, THE PROPOSED DESIGN AS PER UM, THE TOWN SPECIFICATIONS, UM, TRIGGERED US TO HAVE, UM, 13 CALTECH, UH, TO, WE HAD TO MAINTAIN BASICALLY, UH, 12,800 PLUS GALLONS, UH, OF WATER AND, AND WE'RE PROPOSING 13 UH, THOUSAND.
THERE ALSO IS, UM, SOME RETAINAGE, UH, IN, IN THE, IN THE OLD LOT HERE ALONG THE TOP.
THERE WAS SOME, SOME, UH, CATCH BASINS HERE THAT, THAT TOOK ON SOME WATER.
AND THEN THERE WERE SOME EXISTING CAL TECHS THAT WERE DOWN HERE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND I BELIEVE THOSE ARE A THOUSAND GALLONS EACH AS WELL.
UM, QUESTION, SINCE WE'RE TOUCHING ON IT, I KNOW THAT THE CALCULATIONS WERE PROVIDED, I DON'T HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF ME IN CALCULATING THE REQUIRED 12,800 GALLONS.
YOU KNOW, IF THAT DESIGN IS FOR A 25 YEAR STORM EVENT RIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT NUMBER IS BASED ON, UH,
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2016 SQUARE FEET, UH, OF AREA IN THE FRONT.THAT WAS THAT PARKING AND THEN THE WIDTH OF THAT WALL NOW, WHICH WAS A CURVE AT ONE POINT, BUT OKAY.
WIDTH OF THE WALL GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PROPERTY, WHICH ADDED ANOTHER 1,233 SQUARE FEET FOR A TOTAL OF 3,249 SQUARE FEET.
WE BASED OUR DESIGN 13,000 GALLONS OF WATER ON 6.4 INCHES, WHICH IS A 25 YEAR STORM.
A 50 YEAR STORM WOULD TRIGGER US TO GO TO, UM, 7.48 INCHES OR SEVEN AND AND A HALF INCHES.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT.
BUT THAT WOULD TRIGGER JUST FOR OUR LITTLE PARKING LOT AND WE CAN GET TO THAT NEXT DRAWING, WHICH SHOWS ALL THE COLD TEXTS HERE.
I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE DOUBLE STACKING AND WE HAVE SEVEN, EIGHT FOOT RINGS, WHICH ARE, ARE TAKING UP AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF SPACE.
WE WOULD'VE TO ADD ANOTHER FOUR TO MAKE UP THE 50 YEAR.
SO THAT'S, THAT WE FELT WAS JUST ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
13,000 GALLONS IS NEVER GONNA, COULD, COULD YOU JUST SURE.
UH, TAKE, YOU KNOW, USE THE CURSOR TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE, WHERE THE CALL TEXTS ARE CURRENTLY.
SO THESE ARE THE CALL TEXTS HERE.
THIS IS THE ENTRANCE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE RIGHT FROM, FROM FAIRVIEW.
IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SAY THERE.
PROPOSED AND THEN THE EXISTING ARE ON THE LEFTHAND SIDE.
AND, UM, IF IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ANYONE WATCHING OR, OR TO BOARD MEMBERS BEFORE, THIS IS A LEGALIZATION, SO THESE WERE, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL DIG INTO THAT.
PART OF IT'S LEGALIZATION, RIGHT? THE WALL WAS BUILT ALREADY AND IT'S THERE AND, AND, AND THAT WAS WHAT THE ENGINEERING GOT INVOLVED TO BASICALLY HELP US TO SAY, HEY, REALLY? WELL.
SO I I I GUESS SINCE WE BROUGHT IT UP, UM, SO WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED HERE DID, DID THIS PROPERTY RECENTLY TRANSFER OWNERS AND THE OWNERS DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE NEAR A, A WATERCOURSE OR HONESTLY, I CANNOT SAY.
THERE WAS ANOTHER DESIGN PROFESSIONAL BEFORE ME THAT SUPPOSEDLY HAD SUBMITTED ALL THESE DRAWINGS AND LOOKED FOR ALL THE APPROVALS, WHICH I COULDN'T FIND.
AND THEN, UM, WE WERE RETAINED TO KIND OF COME IN AND TRY TO GET THIS DONE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE, I DON'T, I CAN'T SAY IF IT'S A NEW OWNERSHIP, BUT I, I I THINK IN THE BACK OF THE MIND THAT THERE IS A NEW, THERE WAS A NEW OWNER AND SO THEY WANTED TO GET THIS ALL SQUARED AWAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY HAD ISSUES WITH, WITH FLOODING AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, I STILL THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY GET WATER IN HERE AND THEN IT'S TRAPPED.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT THE CATCH BASINS ACROSS THE TOP, UM, THEY'RE TAKING IN WATER AND OVERFLOWING.
SO THEY, THEY TIE, THEY OVERFLOW ONE TO THE NEXT, AND THEN ON THAT LEFT SIDE, THERE'S FOUR CULT TECHS.
THERE ARE A THOUSAND GALLONS EACH.
THEY GO INTO THERE AND THEY KIND OF STILL WORK THEIR WAY DOWN TOWARDS THE RIVER.
EVENTUALLY THE LAST ONE, WHEN THAT GETS TO AN OVERFLOW STATE WILL GO INTO THE RIVER AT THIS TIME.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S FLOODING, THERE'S FLOODING ON THE PROPERTY.
IS THERE FLOODING ON THE PROPERTY WITH THESE CATCH BASINS AND WITH THE CURRENT, UM, CALTECH ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY? SO THESE TICS HAVE NOT BEEN INSTALLED? THE ONES IN THE FRONT.
NO, NOT THE ONES ON THE RIGHT.
THE ONES ON THE LEFT AND THE CATCH BASINS THAT YOU HAVE.
SO WE DO, WHEN IT IS A BIG WATER EVENT, YOU DO GET WATER THAT, THAT GETS IN THERE.
AND YOU DO HAVE SOME, SOME PONDING YES.
IN THE BUILDING OR THROUGHOUT THE PARKING LOT.
UH, THERE, MY UNDERSTANDING ORIGINALLY WAS THAT IT WAS GETTING INTO THE BUILDINGS ORIGINALLY.
SO, SO MAYBE, BUT I THINK THEY ADDED THOSE, THOSE COLD TEXTS.
AND I THINK THAT THAT RESOLVED THAT ON, ON THE SIDE, ON THAT LEFT SIDE, I THINK WHAT WAS HAPPENING, THIS WAS JUST KIND OF GETTING OVERWHELMED AND THEN IT COULDN'T KEEP UP AND IT COULDN'T GET IT OUT TO THE RIVER FAST ENOUGH.
AND SO THE CULT TEXT PROVIDED THAT RELIEF THAT THOSE FOUR.
SO CAN WE GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT? THAT WOULD BE IN THE REPORT THAT WAS WRITTEN BY SITE CONSULTANTS.
BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS YOU'RE PUTTING IN THE NEW CAL TEXT, WHICH IS GREAT ON THE RIGHT SIDE, AND FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL,
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UM, THAT SIDE ALSO TAKES IN WATER.BUT THE SIDE THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, THE COLD TEXT AND THE CATCH BASINS THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, PERIODICALLY OVERFLOW, IS THERE A SYSTEM BEING PUT IN PLACE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT OVERFLOW? SO THE, THE CATCH BASINS THAT WERE ON THE TOP WERE THE ONES THAT WERE OVERFLOWING AND THOSE CULT TEXTS WERE PUT IN TO RELIEVE THAT SITUATION.
WHICH IS, IS THAT WORKING? THAT'S, THAT'S WORKING RIGHT NOW.
HOWEVER, THIS AREA IN THE FRONT, THAT'S 14 SPOTS HAVE BEEN CREATED, REQUIRES CULT TEXTS AND HENCE THAT'S WHY WE'RE PUTTING IN, UM, THESE, UH, 13.
AND AND WAS THE RETAINING WALL INSTALLED TO SHORE UP THE, THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY FOR THE ADDITION OF THE NEW PARKING SPACES? OR WAS THE RETAINING WALL BUILT AS A MEASURE TO ALSO TRY TO ELIMINATE, YOU KNOW, FLOODING? RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO THE, THE RETAINING WALL, IF, LET'S GET A GOOD FEEL FOR THIS.
UM, I HAVE TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE SMALLER AGAIN.
SO THIS SIDE, THE RIGHT SIDE, FAIRVIEW DRIVE MM-HMM
YOU COME IN AND OUT FROM NINE A RIGHT.
YOU COME INTO THE SITE AND THIS, THE, THE TOP PART OF OR ABOVE THE BUILDING IS THE, LET'S SAY THE, THE HIGHER ELEVATION AND THEN IT, IT ALL KIND OF SLOPES DOWNWARD DOWN TOWARDS THE RIVER, WHICH IS AT, AT THE BOTTOM OUT OF THE DRAWINGS VIEW.
THE WALL ONLY EXISTS ALONG THE TOP, DOWN THE LEFT SIDE AND THEN RETURN BACK TO THE BUILDING AT THE BOTTOM.
IT DOES NOT EXIST ON THE STREET SIDE.
ON THE FAIRVIEW SIDE, THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE A, LIKE GRASS AND JUST KIND OF NICE MM-HMM
UM, AND ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE THE WATER, UM, IS NORTH OF, OR LET'S SAY EAST OF THAT.
UM, AND AS THE WATER WHAT SAYS NORTH, SORRY, NORTH OF IT AS THE WATER RISES, UH, THAT WALL WAS KIND OF KEEPING IT FROM GOING INTO THE SITE.
NOW, EVENTUALLY OUT IN THE STREET, IF, IF IT, IF IT REACHES THAT ELEVATION, IT WILL COME INTO THE ENTRANCE AND THEN THESE OTHER SYSTEMS TAKE, TAKE HOLD OF IT, YOU KNOW.
AND, AND WHEN WERE THE, THE, THE WATER RETENTION SYSTEMS, THE TEX THAT ARE, THAT ARE THERE NOW, WHEN WERE THOSE INSTALLED? BEFORE? ME? SO I, THEY WERE INSTALLED, I, I'M THINKING A FEW YEARS AGO NOW.
AND DID THOSE GO THROUGH PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL? WOULD, WOULD THEY REQUIRE PLANNING, BOARD APPROVAL BEING NEAR A WATER COURSE? SO, UH, TYPICALLY HOW, UH, A SITE LIKE THIS OPERATES IF YOU ARE, UH, DISTURBING WITHIN AN ALREADY DISTURBED AREA.
SO IF THEY TOOK OUT, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THESE WERE PUT IN AS PART OF A PRIOR PROJECT THAT DID COME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, MAYBE FROM 10 PLUS YEARS AGO.
BUT, UM, LET'S JUST SAY THEY WANTED TO DO ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, CULTEC UNITS WITHIN A PARKING LOT.
THEY CUT THE PAVEMENT OPEN, PUT IN THE TANK, AND THEN RESURFACE THE PAVEMENT.
THAT WOULD NOT TRIGGER THE NEED FOR PLANNING BOARD.
UM, DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE COLD TECH SYSTEMS HAVE ANY OIL SEPARATORS OR ANY SORT OF FILTERS BEFORE THEY DUMP OUT INTO THE RIVER? I DO NOT KNOW THAT.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU EXPLORE THAT SURE.
FOR OUR NEXT MEETING AND DO YOU KNOW IF THE PROPOSED UNITS WOULD HAVE A WATER QUALITY MEASURE? SO, UM, WE DID NOT INCORPORATE THAT.
SOMETHING TO CONSIDER GIVEN THAT ULTIMATELY THIS WATER ENTERS THE RIVER.
I MEAN, AND, AND REALLY ANYTHING ON, ON AN ASPHALT THERE IS REALLY ALL GONNA EVENTUALLY GO DOWN TO THE RIVER.
TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, AT THE OVERFLOW POINT PRIOR TO DISCHARGE INTO THE RIVER, IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF WATER QUALITY DEVICE MM-HMM
I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY BE BENEFICIAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, TO, TO THE EXTENT THAT I, I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE, THERE ARE SITE LIMITATIONS, UM, FOR THE ADDITIONAL FOUR COLEX TO, TO GO UP TO A 50 YEAR STORM, UH, RATING.
UM, IF, IF YOU COULD TRY TO MANIPULATE THE SITE AND SEE IF THAT
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WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY, UM, I KNOW THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED BY THE BOARD.UH, AND AND TO THE EXTENT THIS, THIS IS A LEGALIZATION, IT PUTS US IN A, IN A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGING SITUATION WHERE, UM, THE WORK, THE WORK, MUCH OF THE WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE IF, IF YOU REALLY COME UP WITH, WITH SITE LIMITATIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY, UM, PERMEABLE SURFACE THAT, THAT, THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SITE PERMEABLE PAVERS OR ANYTHING TO, TO ELIMINATE SOME OF THE OUS COVERAGE THAT, THAT DECIDE EXISTS.
UM, THE, THE THING IS THOUGH, IT'S GENERALLY ONLY ABOUT 30% OF WHATEVER THAT AREA IS.
SO IT'S NOT, AND, AND THIS YOU GET A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC.
YOU GOT PEOPLE, WHAT IS THE USE OF THE SITE? IS THIS AN OFFICE BUILDING OR NO? UH, SO THERE'S, LET'S SEE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES THERE.
THERE'S UM, THERE'S PRIVATE INDOOR REC SUCH AS, UH, LIKE A BASEBALL, INDOOR BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL.
THEY'RE HITTING, THEY'RE HITTING, UH, BATTING CAGES.
THERE'S TILE, THERE'S A TILE GUY.
UH, SO I THINK HE, HE WAREHOUSES AND HE, AND HE RUNS OUT OF THERE.
THERE'S, UH, THERE'S A GAS GUY I BELIEVE AT THE END AND, AND SID HARVEY IS THERE TOO.
SO, I MEAN, IT'S A NICE, IT'S A NICE, REALLY NICE FACILITY.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS WATER ISSUE WAS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY, YOU KNOW, CAUSING ISSUES FOR THESE TENANTS.
SO, AND THE, AND THE RIVER WAS THERE BEFORE THE RIVER WAS THERE BEFORE THE BUILDING I'M SURE.
AND THERE WAS A, AND THERE WAS A NOSE DESIGN THRESHOLD BEFORE ME TOO.
UM, WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING A LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BOARD HAS SUGGESTED THIS.
A HUNDRED PERCENT MAKES SENSE.
SO OUR, THIS, THIS, DIDN'T MR. PAT GO THROUGH THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD, RIGHT? UM, WOULD IT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR APPROVAL? SO THE WORK THAT WAS DONE WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMITS TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S FOUR TANKS.
WE KNOW THE FOUR TANKS TO THE REAR.
THE WORK THAT WAS DONE WAS ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE PRO.
SO, OR THE RIGHT HAND SIDE PAN, UH, PLAN SHEET.
AND, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT, I MEAN, IT'S PHYSICALLY THERE.
UM, AND THAT TURNAROUND THAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE, WHICH WAS NICE TO DRIVE IN AND OUT WAS SINCE REMOVED.
NOW IT'S KIND OF A, A DEAD END WITH PARKING.
SO, AND THE PARKING WAS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY NEEDED FOR THE, FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE.
SO HAS, HAS THE FIRE DISTRICT WEIGHED IN ON THE PLANS NOW THAT THE, THE LOOP? SO WE, WE LOOKED AT THE CRITICAL DISTANCES.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT FORMALLY WENT TO FIRE OR NOT, BUT I KNOW THAT WE ARE OKAY WITH, UH, DEAD, DEAD ENDS AND ALL AND ALL THAT.
THOSE ARE PRETTY RECENT PIECES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS STAGE? NO.
SO THERE WOULD BE, YES, MR. WE HAS, UH, HAVE ANY OF THE TENANTS, UH, DONE WORK IN THE BUILDING OR THE LANDLORD ASIDE FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDE, THAT WOULD'VE REQUIRED PERMITS THAT WEREN'T OBTAINED.
I KNOW WE FILED SOMETHING FOR, UM, SID HARVEY INTERIOR, INTERIOR WORK, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
YEAH, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER TENANTS.
I, I WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THE OTHER TENANTS.
CAN WE FIND OUT IF IT'S OUT? EVERYTHING'S BEEN LEGAL ON, THERE'S NO, THIS IS A LANDLORD HERE.
THERE'S NO OTHER WORK I CAN TELL YOU.
UH, FOR CERTAIN THERE'S BEEN NO OTHER INTERIOR WORK.
WE TRIED TO FILE A PERMIT FOR SID RV AND UNFORTUNATELY, UM, IT WAS NOT APPROVED BECAUSE, UH, ALL, ALL THIS EXTERNAL WORK THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET LEGALIZED, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.
UM, SO, SO THERE'S NO OTHER WORK GOING ON, OBVIOUSLY.
AND DO YOU HAVE A MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR YOUR CALEX? YEAH, WE SENT THAT IN.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUESTS THAT CAME IN.
WE SENT A, WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT I BELIEVE WITH HILL CONSTRUCTION WHERE THEY CLEAN EVERYTHING OUT SEMI-ANNUALLY.
THAT WAS INCLUDED I THINK, IN THE PACKAGE.
WE'LL JUST VERIFY THAT WITH THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE.
HAS ENGINEERING LOOKED AT THIS HONOR? YES.
AND ANY COMMENTS OTHER THAN WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT? MATT, ANYTHING ADDITIONAL FROM BUREAU OF ENGINEERING ON THIS PROJECT? I AM SURE THAT JOE CAN, UH, REGALIA WITH THE LENGTHY BACK AND FORTH HE'S HAD WITH, UH, ENGINEERING.
THEY, THEY'VE BEEN, UH, IN COMMUNICATION FOR QUITE SOME TIME ABOUT
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THIS, UH, PROJECT.BUT, UH, ENGINEERING IS OKAY WITH IT WHERE IT'S AT RIGHT NOW.
FOLLOWING THE BACK AND FORTH AND THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR MODIFICATIONS, I JUST WANNA KIND OF CUT TO THE CHASE 'CAUSE WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT DONE.
BUT IF, UH, AT THIS POINT THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS AND THE REVIEWS, UH, TAKEN PLACE TO DATE BY ENGINEERING, THEY ARE NOW AT A POINT WHERE THEY'RE SATISFIED WITH THE DESIGN AND THE PROJECT AS CURRENTLY PROPOSED.
MATT, IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING? SORRY.
AND, AND JOE, THAT'S YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL? YEAH.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME? NO.
SO IF YOU COULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO INSTALL FOUR ADDITIONAL COAL TECHS FOR A 50 YEAR STORM? UM, IF YOU CAN EXPLORE IF THE EXISTING COAL TECHS HAVE ANY, UH, WATER, WATER TREATMENT SYSTEMS. AND THEN ALSO, UH, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT, UH, INCORPORATING WATER TREATMENT, UH, SYSTEMS INTO THE PROPOSED COLEX, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND, UH, OTHERWISE I THINK WE'RE READY TO SCHEDULE THIS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS JULY 15TH.
DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO, YOU KNOW, THE COUPLE OF THINGS THAT THE BOARD'S ASKED FOR OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT WEEK? YEAH, I, I PERSONALLY WILL BE OUT OF TOWN, BUT MY OFFICE WILL LOOK INTO IT, I'M SURE.
BECAUSE IF THE BOARD WERE TO SCHEDULE THIS PROJECT FOR JULY 15TH, WE WOULD WANT EITHER A, A NARRATIVE RESPONSE OR AN UPDATE TO THE PLANS BY CLOSE OF BUSINESS NEXT WEDNESDAY.
WHAT DAY IS THAT? THAT'S THE EIGHTH.
OTHERWISE OUR NEXT MEETING IS WHEN? AUGUST 5TH.
UM, AND I DID ACTUALLY HAVE ONE.
AND I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY, UM, LANDSCAPING THAT'S INCLUDED IN, IN THIS PLAN? UM, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE IS KIND OF ALREADY DONE.
THEY'VE LANDSCAPED THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
UH, THE, THE, THE FRONT NOLL IS ALL NICELY SEATED AND GRASPED.
UM, IF, IF THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR, LET'S SAY MORE, IF, IF IN PREPARATION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF, IF WE CAN MAYBE GET SOME PHOTOS OF THE, THE VIEW OF THE BUILDING FROM FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE.
UM, THAT WAY WE, WE CAN GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING LOOKS LIKE.
AND IF, IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WE MIGHT HAVE.
YOU CAN SUBMIT SOME PHOTOS EVEN BY EMAIL TO OUR OFFICE.
WE'LL DISTRIBUTE THOSE AND IF WE SAW SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE COULD GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK EVEN GOING INTO THE MEETING.
UM, ALRIGHT, THEN WE WILL SEE YOU, UH, OR SEE SOMEONE.
UH, NO, I'LL BE HERE ON THE 15TH.
I JUST, I'M NOT HERE AND I'M AWAY TILL THE 13TH, SO.
WELL WE WILL SEE YOU ON THE 15TH THEN.
I, I'VE RECEIVED A REQUEST FOR JUST A, A BRIEF RECESS.
UM, SO IT IS NOW EIGHT 20, UH, WE WILL RECONVENE AT 8 25 FOR OUR FINAL PROJECT OF THE EVENING.
ALRIGHT, WELCOME BACK TO THE, UH, WEDNESDAY, JULY 1ST, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING.
IT IS 8:28 PM UH, WE HAVE ONE FINAL PROJECT FOR OUR NEW BUSINESS WORK SESSION THIS EVENING.
UH, AND ONE FINAL PROJECT FOR THIS EVENING.
GENERALLY CASE NUMBER PB 2317 DANI AT ZERO OLD ARMY ROAD IN PO.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A T REMOVAL PERMIT.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, GREG KE CHIPOTLE, UH, ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT HERE AT ZERO OLD ARMY ROAD.
UH, THIS PROPERTY WAS ACTUALLY BEFORE YOU APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AGO FOR A POTENTIAL THREE, MAYBE FOUR LOT, UH, SUBDIVISION AT THE TIME.
UH, WE DID HEAR THE BOARD'S CONCERNS.
WE EVALUATED THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE AND NOW WE'RE BACK BEFORE YOU WITH JUST A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS, THIS LOT.
UH, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.1 ACRES, A FEW HUNDRED FEET SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION AT CENTRAL PARK AVENUE.
UM, THERE ARE NO WETLANDS, NO FLOOD PLAINS.
UH, THERE ARE MANY TREE REMOVALS DUE TO THE REGRADING OF THE SITE 'CAUSE IT IS, UH, PRETTY STEEP TO GET TO THE, THE, THE AREA THAT SUITS A HOME BEST.
UH, SO IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE SITE, WE, WE DO NEED TO REGRADE AND REMOVE SOME TREES.
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HAS BEEN SENT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT.I BELIEVE THE TRAFFIC COMMITTEE REVIEWED IT AT ONE POINT FOR SITE DISTANCE.
UH, WE WERE ASKED TO WIDEN THE DRIVEWAY.
WE DID THAT FOR, UH, UH, AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S REQUEST.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE MITIGATING OUR OWN STORM WATER MANAGEMENT ON SITE.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE, THE GENERAL DETAILS OF THE PROJECT.
IF I COULD JUST, UH, FILL IN A COUPLE OF THINGS AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE IF, IF I MAY MM-HMM
SO, UM, PURSUANT TO THE AGENDA, IT DOES LAY OUT THE PROPOSED STEEP SLOPE DISTURBANCES IN THE VARIOUS, UM, REGULATED CATEGORIES WITHIN OUR TOWN CODE.
SO APPROXIMATELY 7341.85 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO DEFINE STEEP SLOPES, WHICH ARE THOSE 15 TO 25%, APPROXIMATELY 182.7 SQUARE FEET OF VERY STEEP SLOPES, 25 TO 35%, AND APPROXIMATELY 1381.37 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES.
UM, THERE'S A LITTLE OVER 3000 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION, SO THAT'S GONNA BE TRUCKED OFF SITE, NO IMPORTED FILL.
UH, UM, AND THERE'S PROPOSED, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE TREE REMOVALS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 20, UH, 87 TREES TO BE REMOVED.
AND I BELIEVE YOU WERE IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING.
UM, AND DID SUBMIT, I, I BELIEVE I DID SEE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT HAD TREES AROUND THE PERIPHERY, UM, IDENTIFIED WITH LIKE RED LETTERING.
UM, AND INDICATED TO BE TWO AND A HALF INCH CALIPER SIZE, WHICH EXCEEDS THE CODE REQUIRED SIZE OF 1.5 INCH CALIPER.
UM, THE PROPOSAL CALLS FOR THE ADDITION OR INCLUSION OF 16 DRYWALL UNITS IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS.
MY QUESTION BEFORE I TURN THINGS OVER IS, UM, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, STORM EVENT SIZE THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED FOR? YEAH, IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY DESIGNED FOR A 25 YEAR STORM.
UM, SO JUST SOME BASIC QUESTIONS TO SORT OF GET, GET ALL THE FACTS OUT THERE.
SO I KNOW IN YOUR, IN THE PREVIOUS, UH, PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, THE, THE PROJECT ORIGINALLY WAS THREE HOUSES.
UM, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT AT ONE POINT THERE WAS A, A ZONING MAP CHANGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT.
UM, YOU'RE, THE APPLICANT IS NO LONGER SEEKING A ZONING MAP CHANGE.
AND THESE ARE ALL, UH, ALL, I GUESS IT'S JUST ONE LOT.
THIS ONE LOT IS, IS IT AN R 20, R 10? R 10? I BELIEVE R 10, YES.
BUT IT'S, IT'S ALL RESIDENTIAL, SO THERE'S NO CORRECT COMMERCIAL LOTS THAT ARE, OR CENTRAL AVENUE MIXED USE LOTS THAT ARE BEING, UM, SOUGHT TO BE, TO BE CONVERTED.
UM, AND YOU SAID IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE FIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, DID THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OTHER THAN WIDENING THE DRIVEWAY, DID THEY HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIVE FEEDBACK? UH, NO.
NOT TO THIS RESIDENTIAL, NOT TO THIS SINGLE FAMILY PLAN.
PREVIOUSLY THEY HAD ASKED US TO RUN AN ANALYSIS ON WHETHER OR NOT A FIRETRUCK WOULD BOTTOM OUT ENTERING THE POTENTIAL SUBDIVISION.
AND WE HAD ADDRESSED SOME OF THE CONCERNS ASSOCIATED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL.
BUT WHEN, WHEN WE HANDED THEM THIS PLAN THERE, WHEN ONLY COMMENT WAS TO WIDEN MM-HMM
AND, AND YOU'RE LOOKING TO EX EXCAVATE AROUND 3000 CUBIC YARDS AND THERE'S NO FILL THAT'S BEING BROUGHT ONTO THE PROPERTY? CORRECT.
DO YOU, SPEAKING TO THAT OR JUST, UH, PIGGYBACKING OFF THAT, DO YOU ANTICIPATE ROCK BLASTING AND OR CHIPPING? I DO.
I I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE ROCK ENCOUNTERED THROUGH THE EXCAVATION.
SO YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANY BORINGS OR ANYTHING YET? NO.
IF THERE WAS ROCK TO BE REMOVED, WOULD YOU ENVISION HAMMER OR BLASTING OR UNCLEAR? I THINK, UH, I MEAN I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE OWNER, BUT I THINK BLASTING WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST EFFICIENT AND QUICK.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO SPEAK ABOUT COST AND TIME AND INSURANCE, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE INVOLVED.
SO SOMETHING TO CONSIDER OR BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT.
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WHILE NOT, UH, A, A LANDMARK OR, OR A LOCALLY LANDMARKED STRUCTURE, THERE IS, UM, A LOCALLY IMPORTANT STRUCTURE ADJACENT AT, UH, WHAT'S THREE 50 OLD ARMY ROAD, SO, UH, PLAN SHEET NORTH MM-HMM.AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOUR LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE ARE COMING SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THE EAST SIDE OR PLANT SHEET NORTH.
AND, UM, JUST SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED, SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED AS YOU, YOU KNOW, REVIEW WHAT THE ROCK REMOVAL PROCESS MIGHT BE.
UM, BECAUSE FOR ROCK CHIPPING, WE HAVE PROTOCOLS THAT REQUIRE A HIGH RESOLUTION SEISMIC REFRACTION SURVEY.
AND THEN WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE, HAVE HAD LONGSTANDING BLASTING PROTOCOLS WITH SURVEYING OFFSITE STRUCTURES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO SOMETHING TO STRONGLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU, AND WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING YOU GUYS NEED AS YOU CONSIDER THAT.
ARE YOU SEEKING ANY VARIANCES AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT? NO.
THERE ARE NO VARIANCES REQUESTED.
UM, AND TO THE, TO THE REAR OF THE PROPOSED HOME, UM, IS A, UH, A HISTORIC, I GUESS IT'S HISTORIC, A, A, A FORMER CEMETERY ASSOCIATED WITH THE FORMER, UH, OR FORMERLY LOCATED GREENVILLE, GREENVILLE COMMUNITY CHURCH.
UM, WHAT WILL THE, THE BORDER LOOK LIKE BETWEEN WHAT WOULD BE THE RESIDENTIAL BACKYARD AND, AND THE CEMETERY? UH, THERE'S A PRETTY LARGE AREA OF TREES THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY NOT REMOVING BETWEEN, UH, THE LIMIT OF DISTURBANCE HERE AND THE PROPERTY LINE PROBABLY ABOUT 45 FEET, SO IT'S GONNA REMAIN WOODED.
UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A, A CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO ENSURE THAT THAT WOODED AREA AND THAT BUFFER BETWEEN THE HOME AND THE CEMETERY, UM, REMAINS INTACT IN PERPETUITY? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS AND GET BACK TO YOU ON FOR SURE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I'M LOOKING AT THE SURVEY AND I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UH, THE STATE OWNS THE LAND THAT YOU NEED TO GO OVER FOR ACCESS.
WE ACTUALLY, UH, WENT THROUGH A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PROCESS WITH THAT.
WE CONTACTED THE STATE, UH, THEY, THEY CONTACTED THEIR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WHO SAID THAT IT'S OKAY THAT WE USE IT FOR ACCESS.
WE JUST NEED TO PULL A, A NEW YORK STATE DOT RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT.
SO WE'VE PREPARED ALL THE APPLICATIONS.
WE REALLY WANTED TO BRING THIS BEFORE YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NO UNFORESEEN ISSUES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DIDN'T FLUSH OUT YET.
AND THEN NOW IF EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD, WE WILL PROCEED WITH SUBMITTING THAT PERMIT TO THE DOT FOR APPROVAL.
AND, UM, YOU'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO OBTAIN THAT PERMIT PRIOR TO THIS BOARD CONSIDERING A DECISION ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL, IF YOU HADN'T OR WERE UNABLE TO OBTAIN THE DOT PERMIT PRIOR TO THIS BOARD CONSIDERING A DECISION, IT'S LIKELY THIS BOARD WOULD JUST HAVE A CONDITION THAT YOU OBTAINED.
UM, SO RIGHT IN THIS AREA HERE ON THE BOTTOM MM-HMM
YOU HAVE THE FLOOD DRAIN GOING DOWN, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH EXCESS OVERFLOW? SO IT'S REALLY, SO I SEE IN THAT AREA, UM, IT IS A 25% CHANGE, BUT THERE'S A 25% CHANGE FROM THE DOWNWARD MM-HMM
SO HOW ARE YOU DEALING WITH EXCESS WATER? YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CLIMATE CHANGES AND A LOT OF EXCESS RAIN, RIGHT.
I MEAN, UH, THAT'S NOT A STORM WATER DRAIN THAT'S ACTUALLY A FOOTING DRAIN.
SO ITS MAIN FUNCTION IS TO PICK UP ANY POTENTIAL WATER THAT COULD ENTER THE BASEMENT IN THE CASE OF A LARGE STORM.
SO WHEN IT'S RAINING, THAT WOULD MOST LIKELY BE FUNCTIONING, UH, NOT ANY OTHER TIME.
AND, UH, I WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE LIKE GUSHING, YOU KNOW, A LARGE FLOWS EXITING FROM THERE.
I THINK IT'S JUST MORE TO RELIEVE PRESSURE FROM THE BASEMENT WALLS RATHER THAN, UH, ACT AS, YOU KNOW, A DEWATERING SYSTEM FOR IMPERVIOUS AREAS.
UM, WE COULD CHANGE IT TO A LEVEL SPREADER OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, SPREADS IT OUT MORE.
UH, MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, TO JUST KIND OF, YOU COULD ALLEVIATE ANY CONCERN.
MY CONCERN IS JUST IT FLOWING DOWN
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AND THEN POTENTIALLY OVER OVERFLOWING AND THEN RUNNING ONTO OLD ARMY.OR LIKE IF IT WAS VEGETATED AT THE, YOU KNOW, JUST BEYOND THAT POINT TO HELP NO PROBLEM.
I THINK, UH, SIMILARLY YOU HAVE ON THE HIGH SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY, UM, SOME OF THE DRIVEWAY WATER AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A CALL OUT FOR A PROPOSED LEVEL SPREADER IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE PLAN.
HERE NEAR TO OLD ARMY ROAD, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S A DISCHARGE POINT FOR OVERFLOW THROUGH THE UNITS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, WE WOULD SIMILARLY WANNA, YOU KNOW, SEE EITHER DETAIL OR HAVE SOME VEGETATION THERE JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT, UH, ANYTHING CHANNELIZED OUT TO OLD ARMY ROAD.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S ALL PART OF THE ENGINEERING DESIGN AND REVIEW.
YOU KNOW, OUR TOWN ENGINEERS AREN'T GONNA WANT TO SEE IT AS WELL, BUT TO THE EXTENT, UM, PERHAPS THERE'S SOME VEGETATION WHICH IS ALSO MINDFUL OF BEING WITHIN THAT PROPERTY CORNER AND NOT IN THE SITE TRIANGLES.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ABOUT, UM, KEEPING THE SITE TRIANGLES, UH, UNOBSTRUCTED BEING THAT IT'S ON A, ON A, THAT SECTION OF OLD ARMY ROAD.
SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.
WITH ALL THE EXCAVATION YOU'RE DOING, DID YOU EVER THINK ABOUT REGRADING THE PROPERTY INSTEAD OF REMOVING THE SOIL? UH, I THINK THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH SOIL, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH ALL THE SLOPES AND EVERYTHING.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY CONDUCIVE TO THIS SITE, HONESTLY.
AND, AND THE ANTICIPATED BROCK AND YEAH.
THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I MEAN, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REUSE SOME OF IT FOR THE, THE RETAINING WALLS THAT WE HAVE, BUT OKAY.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE A SURPLUS.
I, I, I AM, I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THIS STRETCH, AND I KNOW THERE'S, UH, I THINK IT'S A VERIZON BOX THAT, THAT CONTROLS ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE FIBER AND, AND ALL OF THE TELEPHONE LINES FOR THAT AREA.
I, I THINK I'D SEE IT MARKED ON THE PLAN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO YEAH, IT'S, I, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
CONFIRM WHERE IT IS IN RELATION.
THAT'S THIS UTILITY BOX ON CONCRETE.
SO THE DRIVEWAY IS ALL THE WAY UP THERE.
WELL, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE YOU HAVE PROPOSED UNDERGROUND ELECTRIC LINE.
UM, TYPICALLY WHAT'S THE DEPTH OF SUCH LINE? UH, 24 TO 30 INCHES.
SO WITH THAT SAID, YOU'VE GOT, UM, THREE TO FOUR TREES THAT ARE IN PROXIMITY MM-HMM
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONDITION OF THOSE TREES ARE, BUT THEY ARE IN THE DOT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IF YOU'RE GONNA CUT, UM, A 24 INCH TRENCH, YOU KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF TREE ROOT SYSTEMS ARE WITHIN THE TOP 18 INCHES.
SO YOU MIGHT JUST BE SEVERING THE ROOT SYSTEMS OF THE TREES.
SO I JUST, I MEAN, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY GO ABOVE THE GROUND IF WE TAKE THAT ROUTE.
SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT I COULD LOOK AT.
IF THERE'S A POLE THERE, I KNOW THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IF THERE'S A SIDEWALK.
NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ON THAT SIDE OF
AND YOU SENT IN YOUR PLANT FOR, UM, PLANTINGS.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER ON THE, UM, BORDERING, UH, NEIGHBOR SIDE, ADDING SOME EVERGREENS? BECAUSE I SEE MOST OF WHAT YOU HAVE IS DECIDUOUS ON, ON THIS, THIS PROPERTY LINE, THE TOP.
JUST A LITTLE MORE PRIVACY BETWEEN YOU AND THE NEIGHBOR OR THE NAPKIN AND THE NEIGHBOR OUTSIDE OF THE, THE LINE OF SIGHT.
WE'LL, WE'D DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT.
WE CAN, UH, I CAN REVIEW THAT WITH YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT.
SO THERE WAS ONE COMMENT IN THE ENGINEERING MEMO THAT ASKED ABOUT, UM, SUBSURFACE STRUCTURES, AND THAT MIGHT JUST BE A GENERAL COMMENT.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING EXISTING ON THE SITE.
I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE PLANS, BUT NO, NOT IT'S, IT'S HEAVILY WOODED.
YEAH, THAT'S JUST A GENERAL COMMENT I'VE SEEN AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NOPE, I THINK THAT'S IT.
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YEAH.UM, ANY OTHER FINAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? YEP.
SO THEN IF, IF YOU COULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE, THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE'VE REQUESTED AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT, THAT WE'VE OFFERED, UM, I THINK WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR AUGUST 5TH.
UM, SO THEN WHEN WOULD WE NEED THE INFORMATION BACK TO US IN TIME FOR A HEARING ON THE FIFTH? SO, I MEAN, I THINK BASED ON, UH, THE COMMENTS ISSUED TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT TAKES YOU A WEEK OR TWO TO SUBMIT A RESPONSE, FINE.
WE CAN WORK AND COORDINATE, UH, TOGETHER ON IT.
UH, I THINK WE'LL HAVE THINGS IN WELL BEFORE AUGUST 5TH, IDEALLY AT LEAST TWO WEEKS BEFORE.
UM, SO THAT STAFF HAS TIME, STAFF HAS TIME TO REVIEW, AND THEN WE CAN DISTRIBUTE TO THE PLANNING TOWARD, UM, BY THE END OF JULY, TOWARDS THE END OF JULY IN ADVANCE OF THE AUGUST 5TH HEARING.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM TWO WEEKS PRIOR.
I'M SORRY, I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS.
UM, DOES, DOES THIS PROPERTY HAVE A HISTORY OF FLOODING? DO YOU KNOW OF ANY? NO, IT'S, UH, SITS PRETTY HIGH UP.
AND, UH, THERE WERE SOME GOOD SOILS OUT THERE.
WE DID PERFORM SOME DEEP TESTS.
SO, BUT, BUT YOU DIDN'T DO ANY BORING NO, NO BORINGS.
UM, AND CAN YOU JUST SHOW US THE FENCE ON THE PLANS? THE FENCE? YEAH.
IS THERE A CONSTRUCTION FENCE OR LIKE THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE? YEAH, THE, THE, I GUESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SILT FENCE.
IT, IT'D BE INSTALLED ALONG THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE.
SO IT'S THIS BOLD AND, AND AND DASH DOT LINE T TYPICALLY WE ASK FOR A WIRE BACKED FENCE WITH, WITH, UH, SILT FENCING IS THAT'S WHAT PROPOSED OR NO PROBLEM.
NO, BUT WE CAN THE WIRE BACK, THE CONTEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION FENCE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE YEAH, LIKE A, LIKE A CHAIN LINK.
SO PROBABLY TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
THE BOARD HAS BEEN CONSISTENTLY ASKING APPLICANTS ALONG LIMITED DISTURBANCE, WHERE HISTORICALLY YOU'D PUT IN THE STANDARD SILT FENCING.
ABOUT EITHER A, UH, REINFORCING THE SILT FENCING WITH STRAW BELLS OR JUST USING THE WIRE BACKED, REINFORCED OH, SILT FENCING.
UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY RAIN EVENTS THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, STORM EVENTS WE'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST HANDFUL OF YEARS.
UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, FOR TREE PROTECTION, UH, THERE MAY BE, AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'LL WORK WITH THE FORESTRY OFFICER, BUT IF THERE WAS A, A SIGNIFICANT TREE JUST BEYOND YOUR LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE, UM, THERE MIGHT BE THE REQUIREMENT BECAUSE WE, UH, WITHIN OUR TOWN TREE ORDINANCE FOR CHAIN LINK TREE PROTECTION FENCING IN SELECT AREAS, NO.
SO THEN, UH, WE WILL SEE YOU ON AUGUST 5TH.
UH, SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE ON WEDNESDAY, JULY 15TH, UH, IN TWO WEEKS TIME.
AND WE WILL BE BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED SEVEN O'CLOCK START TIME, UH, SEEING NO ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT 8:48 PM SO, BOLD MOVE MR. PATEL.