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CAN WE, MAY WE DO THE MINUTES? YES.
DO WE WANNA DO ROLL CALL FIRST? I CAN CALL THE ROLL.
SO, MR. DESAI IS GONNA BE JOINING VIA ZOOM.
HOW WILL WE KNOW? I WILL ANNOUNCE IT
NO, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN PERSON.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF, UM, JUNE 9TH.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS, OR NO, I DIDN'T FIND ANY EITHER.
UNDER CORRESPONDENCE, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF STUFF UNDER THAT.
UM, ARMENIA AND I, UM, VISITED WITH THE REVEREND CLOVER AT THE, WHAT I STILL CALL THE GREENVILLE DUTCH REFORM CHURCH ON LEY ROAD ABOUT THE, UM, CEMETERY BEHIND THE MINI MALL AND ADJACENT TO THAT EMPTY PIECE OF LAND ON OLD ARMY ROAD THAT'S GOING TO BE, UM, A HOUSE.
AND, UM, I, I GAVE HIM OR TOLD HIM HOW TO RETRIEVE, UM, INFORMATION ON LANDMARKING, A CEMETERY.
THAT CEMETERY IS CERTAINLY OLD ENOUGH TO BE LANDMARKED.
UM, IT GOES BACK AT LEAST TO THE EARLY 18 HUNDREDS.
UM, IT IS LAND GIVEN BY, IF YOU REMEMBER, THREE 50 OLD ARMY ROAD, THE UNDERHILL TAVERN, MR. GILBERT, AFTER THE TAVERN WAS USED AS A CHURCH, GAVE LAND FOR THE ATORY.
DO YOU HAVE A RADIO ON IN THE BACKGROUND? MUCH BETTER, THANK YOU.
I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE, MY, MY PAPERWORK.
UM, MR. GILBERT GAVE THE LAND FOR A CHURCH, WHICH IS WHERE THE MINI MALL WAS, UM, UNTIL ABOUT, WELL I WAS IN IT IN THE EARLY SIXTIES.
IT WAS BEING USED WITH THE GR FOR THE GREENVILLE COMMUNITY THEATER, AND THEN THEY BUILT THE ONE ON ARDSLEY ROAD.
UM, AT ANY RATE, I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD APPLY FOR LANDMARK STATUS FOR IT.
UM, IT DOES HAVE, UM, THE GRAVES OF MANY OF THE EARLY FOUNDING FATHERS OF THE EDGEMONT SECTION OF GREENBURG.
WE GAVE THEM ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED.
THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE IN TOUCH AND WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.
UM, WE'VE APPROVED 1 25 MANHATTAN AVENUE AS A, UM, AND A WITHIN ADDITION.
IT'S A TWO FAMILY HOUSE NOW, AND IT'S GOING TO REMAIN A TWO FAMILY HOUSE.
IT WAS BUILT EONS AGO, BUT IT IS SO ALTERED THAT
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ANY SHAPE OR FORM.SO IT WAS, IT'S BEEN APPROVED.
UM, AND AARON SAID THEY WOULD GET THEIR USUAL LETTER.
DID WE, DID A LETTER GO OUT TO 1 25 MANHATTAN AVENUE YET? YES, IT DID.
AND I WILL TRANSMIT A COPY TO THE BOARD.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
AND IF I HAVE FORGOTTEN SOMETHING, I'LL GO BACK TO IT.
I, I JUST, I I'M SURPRISED THAT CEMETERY ISN'T ALREADY LANDMARK.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT SEALYS BURIED THERE.
I MEAN, ALL, I MEAN, I I KNOW IT'S ON, IT'S ON THE TOWN'S OFFICIAL TOUR GIVEN BY THE EC WAS SURPRISED.
THE OTHER ONE TOO, THAT WE CAN'T CONCLUDE THIS, UH,
UM, UNDER OUR WORK SESSION, WE HAVE 1 95 OLD ARMY ROAD AND WE HAVE THEIR ARCHITECT, I BELIEVE CARL AND I VISITED IT.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS, PLEASE? SURE.
UH, SO WE VISITED, UM, THE, UM, THE SITE WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE OWNERS, I BELIEVE.
AND SO, UM, WE, UH, WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE BARN AND ITS SURROUNDINGS AND, UM, WE DID COME AWAY WITH A FEW QUESTIONS BASED ON THE, THE PLANS AND THE INFORMATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN AHEAD OF OUR VISIT.
AND I SENT, UM, AARON A LIST OF MY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK MADELINE HAD COMPARABLE QUESTIONS.
UM, AARON, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT, UM, WOULD'VE BEEN TRANSMITTED NORMALLY TO YES, YES.
SO THOSE WERE FORWARDED IN, I SENT THEM TO THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AND, UM, SHE'S GONNA ADDRESS THOSE THIS EVENING.
UM, HAS THE REST OF THE BOARD GOTTEN, UH, THAT LIST OR, OKAY, SO THEN MAYBE WE CAN REVIEW THEM TONIGHT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, OKAY.
SO, UM, FIRST LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BARN THAT EXISTS THERE, WHICH I THINK IS A GARAGE.
SO IT'D BE HARD TO TELL IF IT'S A LAWN OR A GARAGE.
UM, ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS THAT I THINK WILL BE ANSWERED TODAY IS WHETHER THE BARN THAT WE'RE TOLD WAS DISMANTLED WAS ON THE SAME SITE, ON THE SAME FOOTPRINT.
I, I BELIEVE SO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A REAL RECORD, BUT THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE SINCE IT'S THE FOUNDATION IS STILL ORIGINAL, LIKE SEEMS VERY FROM THAT PERIOD.
I THINK WHAT WAS CHANGED IS THE BARN MUST HAVE HAD WOOD FLOORS.
THE STRUCTURE, AND NOW THEY CONVERTED IT TO A GARAGE AND IT HAS A CONCRETE SLAB.
SO IT'S DEFINITELY MORE RECENT.
BUT THE STONE ON THE GROUND FLOOR, IS THAT THE ORIGINAL? I THINK SO, YES.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE ORIGINAL MUCH, MUCH OLDER, I BELIEVE STRUCTURE, I BELIEVE AT LEAST THE LOWER LEVEL THERE IS TUCKED AGAINST THE HILL.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, AND I THINK I WE SHOULD GO YES.
LIST BY LIST, BUT I JUST WANTED FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD TO POINT OUT WHAT IN MY MIND WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS I'M INTERESTED TO, TO HEAR ABOUT IS, UM, AND THE PLANS SAY THAT AMONG OTHER THINGS, THE MASSING WILL NOT BE ALTERED, NO CHANGES WILL BE DONE TO THAT, BUT THE PLAN IS TO PUT IN DORMERS ON, UH, CURRENTLY WHERE THE SMALLER DORMER IS TO MAKE IT MUCH LARGER AND THEN ON THE FRONT TO PUT A DORMER.
AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, AARON, DO YOU HAVE THE PHOTO? I JUST, UM, EMAILED YOU 10 MINUTES AGO? LET'S SEE, I CAN BRING IT UP.
BEAR WITH ME, SEE IF I CAN GET IT.
WHEN THOSE DORMERS ARE PUT IN, IT WOULD FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER THE SWOOP ROOF THAT IS ON ONE OF THE ENDS OF THE BARN.
AND WHEN YOU DRIVE UP HENRY, WHICH IS THE MAIN STREET COMING OFF OF SEALY PLACE, THAT IS WHAT YOU SEE OF THE BARN.
AND THAT IS TO ME, CHARACTERISTIC OF THAT ERA AND OF SO MANY OF THE OTHER, UH, STRUCTURES THAT WE SEE AND AARON'S PUTTING IT UP NOW.
SO THAT'S AN IMAGE I TOOK FROM MY CAR DRIVING UP HENRY RECENTLY.
SO YOU SEE HOW ON THE RIGHT, RIGHT.
THERE'S A PARTICULAR SHAPE TO THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL AARON, MAYBE WITH THE CURSOR THERE'S A SMALL DORMER THERE RIGHT NOW.
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YEAH.SO THIS FOR THE RE THE BENEFIT OF THE REST OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, THAT SMALL DORMER IS ECHOED IN THE DORMERS ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE CURRENTLY.
SO CLEARLY THERE WAS AN EFFORT MADE TO KEEP THAT CONSONANT WITH THE VERNACULAR OF THE HOUSE.
BECAUSE PRESUMABLY THIS STRUCTURE IS OLDER THAN, THAN THE HOUSE IS.
WELL, I THINK AT THE END, OTHER THAN THE STONE FOUNDATION, THE STRUCTURE ABOVE, BECAUSE THE SLAB IS AT THAT LEVEL THAT THE FRAME STRUCTURE IS PROBABLY FROM WHEN THEY GOT THAT PERMIT TO BUILD THE GARAGE.
I THINK THEY SAID THAT WHEN THEY GOT THE, UM, WHEN THEY GOT THE PERMIT TO, TO DEMOLISH THE BARN AND THEN THEY GOT A PERMIT TO BUILD, UH, TO BUILD THE IN FIFTH IN, UM, DETACHED GARAGE IN 1930.
SO, SO THAT'S, AND THEN THERE THERE IS ALSO A RECORD THAT SHOWS THAT THE BOND DEMOLITION WAS APPROVED IN 1947.
SO IT'S NOT CLEAR REALLY YEAH.
BUT, UM, BUT I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING EVIDENT LIKE THE WINDOWS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT'S REALLY LIKE MORE CONTEMPORARY, UH, FRAMING THAN, THAN THE FOUNDATION SEEMED TO ME.
BUT A BARN WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THAT CONCRETE SLAB AT THAT PERIOD FOR SURE.
AND I KNOW THEY USED IT TO PARK THEIR CARS ON IT.
YES, IT'S A REAL GARAGE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S JUST, JUST A FILLED WITH STORAGE.
SO THEN THE PROPOSED DORMERS WOULD COME OUT TO THE RIGHT OF THAT SWOOP ROOF.
THAT'S A TERM OF ART, THE SWOOP ROOF.
AND UM, THEN TO THE LEFT AS WELL.
SO MY ESTIMATION IS THAT THAT WOULD CHANGE THE MASSING BECAUSE NOW INSTEAD OF GETTING SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, CURVED AND THAT IS, UM, COMING TO A PEAK, YOU WOULD ALMOST GET A, A RECTANGLE GOING TO THE BOTTOM ALL THE WAY UP.
SO IT BECOMES A LOT MORE RECTILINEAR THEN THAT ORGANIC KIND OF CURVE.
IT'S VERY GRACEFUL THAT RIGHT NOW THAT'S A VERY GRACEFUL YES.
I'M NOT CHANGING THAT, THAT IS NOT BEING CHANGED.
OH, I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I DID HAVE IT AT THE TIME OF THE VISIT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SHOW US.
MAYBE AARON, YOU CAN SHOW, DO YOU HAVE A FLOOR? LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THOSE PLANS HANDY.
OTHERWISE I CAN PASS THEM AROUND IT.
YEAH, PASS THEM AROUND, BUT I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND THEM.
SEE THIS RIGHT? IT'S THIS, IT'S EXISTING BUT IT'S REALLY NOT WHAT YOU SEE.
THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS OR THAT I WROTE.
SO BASICALLY I HAD ALSO INCLUDED THE PHOTOGRAPHS SIMILAR TO YOURS AND I WENT FROM ALL AROUND.
SO THIS IS WHEN I'M PUTTING THE TWO COMPARISON.
SO THERE IS THAT DORMER AND YOU SEE WHERE, WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, SORT OF IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET WIDE, THE SMALL ONE, THE CURRENT THE SMALL ONE.
WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE.
THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY BUILT ABOUT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO WHAT I AM, WHAT AM I KIND OF PROPOSING IS TO MAKE IT WIDER, SAME SHAPE IS JUST GONNA BE WIDER.
SO FROM THE PROFILE WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN, UM, THE ROAD, IT'S STILL GONNA READ THE SAME WAY.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE FACE, INSTEAD OF BEING LIKE THIS MM-HMM
IT'S GONNA BE WIDER, IT'S GONNA BE, UH, BASICALLY IT GOES FROM THREE FEET TO SEVEN, I THINK.
AND THAT WAY WE CAN UTILIZE THE SPACE TO GOOD.
SO WHEN I MENTIONED THAT WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE MASS, WHAT I WAS SEEING IS LIKE SAYING IS THAT WE'RE KEEPING THE RICH HEIGHT, NO CHANGE IN THE, IN THE HEIGHT THAT'S GONNA STAY THE SAME.
THE VOLUME, THE MASSES, THE ONLY THING THAT IS INCREASED IN SIZE IS THE DORMER.
AND I KNOW AT SOME POINT THEY HAD A PROPOSAL TO DO A SHED DORMER AND PICK UP THE WHOLE BACK AND MAKE IT HIGHER.
SO THAT'S WHEN THE CLIENT CHANGED ARCHITECTS.
AND THEN I WANTED TO DO SOMETHING MORE, UH, KIND OF IN KEEPING AND YET MAKE THAT SPACE, UH, USEFUL BECAUSE, UH, THE HOMEOWNER WORKS FROM HOME AND UH, SHE NEEDS TO BE AWAY FROM THE KIDS AND ALL THAT.
SO THAT'S A REAL, UH, USE FOR THAT SPACE.
NOT SURE THIS IS THE SAME SHEET.
WELL, THAT IS THE, SO THERE'S TWO SHEETS.
THERE IS, UH, AARON HAS THE SHEET THAT BE THE PROPOSED, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT IMAGE, THAT DORM DOES DETRACT FROM THE SWOOP.
IT ALMOST SEEMS AS IF YOU'RE CREATING A BOX.
THE FRONT DOESN'T HAVE A SWOOP ON THE NO, THAT'S THE SIDE, THAT'S THE I KNOW, BUT IT
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IT HAS TWO SIDES.ONE IS LITERALLY A STANDARD ROOF, RIGHT.
SO THEY BOTH REMAIN, IN FACT, I JUST EXTENDED THE LEFT SIDE AND I CAN SWOOP IT TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE THAT SWOOP IDEA AND CREATE A LITTLE COVER AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE GARAGE.
SEE I HAVE A BRACKET THERE COMING OUT ON THE LEFT SIDE.
THE RIGHT SIDE REMAINED THE SAME.
THE PROFILE IS ALMOST THE SAME.
CLEARLY IT'S CLOSER TO THE SWOOP, BUT I STILL HAVE ABOUT EIGHT FEET BETWEEN IT AND THE CENTER AND THE SIDE OF THE DORMER.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE I'M NOT FILLING THE HOLES THING, IT'S JUST THE DORMER INCREASED IN SIZE, IN WIDTH IF YOU, IF YOU'RE OKAY.
SO IT, IT'S BASICALLY, IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE IT INCREASED THIS WAY ALSO.
IT, IT, IT, IT DID GO HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE, THE, IT'S A TRIANGLE, BUT THE PITCH IS LESS SO IT STAYS UNDER THE HEIGHT OF THE RIDGE TURN, IF THAT'S OKAY.
I GUESS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS WAS THERE WAS A PAGE THAT SHOWED THE EXISTING, UH, YEAH, MAYBE IT WAS THIS ONE.
IT WOULD BE, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE IS LABELED AS JUDGE, RIGHT? THIS ONE? YEAH, YEAH, THAT CORRECT.
BUT THAT, SEE, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE EXISTING DORM.
BECAUSE IT DOES GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THAT STRUCTURE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, AARON, COULD YOU BRING BACK THE PHOTO I EMAILED YOU? YEAH.
BUT YOU HAVE PERSPECTIVE AND YOU'RE COMING FROM THE BOTTOM.
BUT IT IS IN FACT IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE SPACE AND IT SITS RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE WALL.
SO THE, THE DEPTHS IS THE SAME.
WHAT REALLY CHANGED IS THE WIDTH.
SO THE PROJECTION FROM, FROM THIS POINT TO THIS POINT IS EXACTLY THE SAME.
'CAUSE I WENT RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT WALL.
SEE IT SITS ON THE OUTSIDE WALL.
THIS SITS ON THE OUTSIDE WALL.
THE RIDGE IS HERE, THE ROOF IS A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THAT'S VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE IMAGE THAT'S BEING SHOWN.
BUT BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE YOU'RE SAYING? 'CAUSE OF THE ANGLE.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT A FACE, UM, IT IS LITERALLY SITTING RIGHT ON THE OUTSIDE WALL RIGHT THERE CENTERED WITH THE OTHER WINDOW SITS RIGHT ON THE OUTSIDE WALL.
IT MIGHT BE A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT DORMER IS BARELY PERCEPTIBLE RELATIVE.
AND THE NEW ONE WILL BE ALSO, WILL NOT FEEL THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE.
AND THERE'S ALSO EIGHT FEET BETWEEN THE EDGE AND THE WALL OF THE DORMER.
UM, OKAY, BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT DORMER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM THE STREET VIEW IS COMES ALL THE WAY TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SEE IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT BY MAKING IT IT WIDER, IT'S STILL GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT FROM THE, FROM THE SIDE.
IT WILL BE JUST CLOSER TO YOUR EYE BY TWO FEET ON EACH SIDE BASICALLY.
HOW MANY FEET WIDER IS IT THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW? A WHOLE WINDOW BAY? UH, IT, YEAH, NOT, UH, TWO, ONE.
THE, UH, YEAH, TWO WINDOW WAYS.
UM, IT'S GOING FROM A SINGLE TO A DOUBLE TO A DOUBLE.
IT'S BASICALLY, WE HAVE ABOUT EIGHT FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROOF PROJECTION BETWEEN THE WALL OF THE DORMER AND THE EDGE OF THE ROOF.
SO NO MATTER WHAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE BOTTOM IS THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS THE SWOOP.
I'M NOT EVEN MODIFYING THAT SECTION OF THE ROOF.
I'M ONLY GOING FROM THE MIDDLE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENTER PHOTO, WHERE YOU LOOK AT A FACE, YEAH.
SO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HERE AND THE EDGE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE SIDE, IS INCREASED OR DECREASED BY TWO FEET HERE AND TWO FEET HERE.
AND THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE EXTRA SPACE.
SO WE CAN, UH, UTILIZE THE SPACE FOR, UM, FOR A BATHROOM THAT'S WIDE ENOUGH AND HAVE A A DESK AREA BE ABLE TO USE THE SPACE.
WHAT IS THAT, UM, DORM OR SPACE GONNA BE USED FOR? UH, ON ONE SIDE THERE'S A SITTING AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A BATH, AND THAT'S ON.
WHY ISN'T THIS CONSIDERED THREE STORIES? BECAUSE FROM THE FRONT, IT'S STILL GRADE LEVEL.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE WELL, AND THEN IT'S IN THERE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE FRONT, THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
IT'S, IT'S ONE STORY PLUS THE ATTIC AND IT'S STILL GONNA BE ONE STORY.
AND THE ATTIC, THE ONLY THING IS THE DORMER IN THE ATTIC IS WIDER.
SO I THINK IT'S STILL BASICALLY, ONE STORY WAS A FOUNDATION, EXPOSED FOUNDATION AND AN ATTIC SPACE.
SO FROM A DESCRIPTION POINT OF VIEW, IT'S MAYBE THEY CAN CALL IT ONE AND A HALF BATHROOM.
IT WILL BE A, AN OFFICE AND A BATHROOM UPSTAIRS.
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STAYS THE GARAGE AND THE LOWER LEVEL OR BECOMES SORT OF A, A GYM AND, AND A CONNECTION TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.LIKE A, LIKE A POOL AREA, WASHER AND DRYER FOR THE, FOR THE POOL.
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE MAYBE THE DISCUSSION OVER THE DORMER IS BASED ON PERSPECTIVE.
BECAUSE IF I LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE CALLING AN EX TWO WITH THE EXISTING EAST ELEVATION, THAT LOOKS NOTHING TO MY EYE.
NO, COURSE, IT, IT'S, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT'S ALSO YOU'RE CLIMBING.
AND YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN AND YOU, FIRST THING YOU SEE IS THAT LINE.
AND THAT WILL ALWAYS BE THE SAME.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA CHANGE IS THAT THAT WALL WILL GET CLOSER BY TWO FEET, WHICH IS HARD TO KIND, IF YOU TAKE TWO PHOTOS LATER WILL PROBABLY LOOK VERY SIMILAR BECAUSE THERE'S ENOUGH DISTANCE BETWEEN THE EDGE OF THE ROOF WHERE THE SWOOP IS MM-HMM
SO WE STILL HAVE EIGHT FEET OF DISTANCE THERE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE I'M GOING RIGHT TO THE EDGE, ELIMINATING THE SWOOP.
I'M JUST GETTING LITTLE HEADROOM IN THE MIDDLE SO THEY CAN GET A BATHROOM ON IT.
AND THE SITTING AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE REST IS USING WHAT'S THERE ALREADY THAT CAVITY THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY STAND IN THE MIDDLE.
SO, UH, EXCUSE ME, UH, UH, CAN I, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? MAY I ASK THE QUESTION? YES.
UH, IS THE, UH, THE SIDING WOULD BE THE SAME, RIGHT? IT WOULD MATCH WITH THE OH, YEAH.
SIDING, THE ROOFING, UH, WOOD, WOOD, WINDOWS, WOOD TRIM.
UH, WE MAY BE REPLACING SOME BROKEN WINDOWS WITH NEW WINDOWS, BUT BASICALLY WAS KIND, IT'S GONNA LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME.
WE'RE RESTORING THAT BUILDING.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO IT.
AND SO YOU'RE REPLACING ALL THE WINDOWS? UH, YEAH.
I BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY'RE SINGLE, SINGLE GL SINGLE GLAZED WINDOWS WE ARE GONNA BE DOING, YOU KNOW, AND WE ARE DOING INSULATION AND WE ARE MAKING THE, DEPENDING, MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT.
SO THE SIDE OF THE DORMERS IS GONNA BE THE SAME EXPOSURE? TOTALLY THE SAME.
OH, THE THREAD AND THE SAME EXPOSURE.
SO NOW THE FACE OF THE NEW DORMER, THAT'S GONNA BE FLUSH WITH THE ELEVATION, WITH THE, UM, WITH THE EAST ELEVATION, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT THAT, BECAUSE CURRENTLY IT'S NOT OBVIOUSLY RIGHT, THE DORMER IS MUCH.
BUT NO, THE ONE WITH THE BRICK, YOU SEE THE BREAK CHIMNEY, THAT'S THE ONE YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT ONE.
ONCE THE DORMER COMES OUT OF THE EAST ELEVATION, ITS FACE IS GONNA BE FLUSH WITH THE BACK ELEVATION.
AND, AND, AND THEN, THEN I'M EXTENDING THE ROOF OUT A LITTLE TO CREATE SIMILAR SWOOP ON THE LEFT SIDE TO JUST SO BALANCE THE ROOF A LITTLE BIT MORE.
IN OTHER WORDS, AT, AT THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE, IF YOU SEE HOW NOW THERE IS NOTHING HERE.
SO I'M JUST DOING A NICE COVER WITH A BRACKET AND KIND OF CHARMING ELEMENTS, KIND OF, UH, SIMILAR TO I TAKE THE VERNACULAR FROM WHAT'S ON THE HOUSE AND TRYING TO MAKE THEM BOTH SEE BE LIKE CONNECTED, UH, VISUALLY, BUT, BUT ON THE LEFT YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP THE ANGLE RIGHT? YOU'RE NOT GOING YEAH, YEAH.
NO, I'M GOING STRAIGHT DOWN, JUST EXTENDING IT TWO AND A HALF FEET UP.
BUT SO THE ONLY ONE SIDE WILL BE CURVED, WHICH IS IT'S THE BACK.
AND IT'S BETTER FOR THE STRUCTURE WHEN YOU HAVE A LITTLE PROJECTION, IT PROTECTS THE, YOU KNOW, THE EDGE AND, AND THE WATER COMING INTO THE FASCIA AND THE SAGES AND ALL THAT.
SO HOW THE, HOW IT IS DRAINED.
THE ROOF IS, IT'S MUCH BIGGER.
SO HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DRAINED TO THE MAIN ROOF? NO, THE ROOF DOESN'T CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE ROOF.
THE WATER THAT COMES FROM THE ROOF, IT'S THE SAME.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S RELEVANT IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING AND THE ROOF ABOVE IT.
SO IF THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN THE MIDDLE, THE RAIN, UM, COLLECTION IS THE SAME.
SO THE GUTTERS WILL ALWAYS BE TAKING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER.
THE FACT THAT THERE IS A DORMER OR AN EYEBROW, IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
IS IT, IT IT'S GONNA BE A MUCH LARGER ROOF.
YEAH, LIKE WHEN WE, WHEN WE CALCULATE THE RUNOFF OF A STRUCTURE IS BASICALLY BASED ON THE FOOTPRINT, NOT SO MUCH ON THE STEEPNESS OF THE ROOF
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OR ANYTHING ELSE.IT'S THE AREA THAT IT, THAT IT TAKES AWAY FROM THE GROUND ABSORBING THE, THE WATER IS BASICALLY WHAT WE CALCULATE FOR FROM THE ROOF.
I'M SURE YOU'VE GOT THE TECHNOLOGY.
ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE, UM, AN IMAGE THAT IS AN ACTUAL IMAGE OR AN ACTUAL PHOTO WITH A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE DORMER WILL LOOK LIKE IN A REAL IMAGE INSTEAD OF A 2D HAND DRAWN OR COMPUTER GENERATED? UM, YOU MEAN IN THREE DIMENSIONAL, YOU LIKE TO SEE IT? YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, CLEARLY THE PERSPECTIVE, AND I UNDERSTAND, I, I'VE, I BELIEVE PERSPECTIVE IS VERY IMPORTANT, RIGHT.
AND PERHAPS IT'S CAUSING MY CONFUSION.
BUT WHAT I SEE WITH MY NAKED EYE AND WHAT I SEE ON THE PAPER ARE SO VASTLY DIFFERENT.
IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY MIND AROUND.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S TWO DIMENSIONAL, YOU'RE BASICALLY COLLAPSING EVERYTHING YEAH.
BUT THAT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IS LOOK HOW MUCH TRIANGLE YOU SEE ON THIS IMAGE AND HOW MUCH TRIANGLE YOU SEE ON THE OTHER ONE.
BASICALLY WHAT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT IS LIKE THAT ROOF LINE GOT A LITTLE HIGHER BECAUSE WE WENT WIDER AND, BUT I CHANGED THAT.
SO BASICALLY THAT VIEW WILL NOT CHANGE.
IT'S JUST GONNA COME CLOSER TO YOUR EYE LEVEL.
IF YOU WERE STANDING ON THE LADDER AT THAT HEIGHT, YOU WILL SEE THAT THIS VIEW WILL NOT CHANGE.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE, THIS VIEW OBVIOUSLY WILL CHANGE BECAUSE THAT'S GOT WIDER.
NO, BUT MY POINT IS THAT THIS VIEW LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE REAL VIEW WITH AN NAKED EYE.
RIGHT? THIS LOOKS COMPLETELY LIKE IT'S, BUT THAT'S FOR AARON.
COULD YOU PUT BACK THE PHOTO? BUT THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S LIKE FOUR TIMES THE SIZE OF WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SEE FROM THE STREET.
AND, AND I UNDERSTAND IF IT PERSPECTIVE, I GET IT.
BUT THAT TO ME DOES NOT CONVINCE ME THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE LOOK OF THE BARN BY LOOKING AT IT LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, COMPARE THAT, IF YOU SEE THAT AND YOU COMPARE IT TO WHAT YOU HAVE ON EX TWO, THAT'S VASTLY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I SEE ON PAPER.
AND SO I'M CURIOUS TO SEE WHEN YOU'RE ON THE STREET AS HENRY, I DID THE DRIVING OR WALKING BY, AND THAT'S THE GLIMPSE THAT YOU GOT OF THE HISTORY OF OUR TOWN.
WILL YOU SEE SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO THAT OR SOMETHING COMPARABLE TO WHAT YOU ARE ON PAPER? BUT IT'S HARD TO TELL BECAUSE THE PAPER IS LIKE, LIKE YOUR SMACK IN FRONT OF IT.
THIS IS GONNA BE A THIRD DIMENSION.
THERE'LL BE SHADOWS, THERE'LL BE A PERSPECTIVE.
ALL THOSE THINGS GET AFFECTED.
SO THE VIEW TO ME, IT WILL BE VERY SIMILAR OTHER THAN YOU'RE GONNA FEEL THAT DORMER IS A LITTLE CLOSER.
WHERE YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FACE DOWN, THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE, OH, IT WAS THIS BIG AND NOW IT'S THIS BIG.
BUT I'M NOT CHANGING THE CHARACTER.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, SOMEBODY HAD AN OPTION TO RAISE THE WHOLE THING, ADD WINDOWS IN THE BACK AND MAKE IT LIKE A SHED ROOF.
LIKE, LIKE A, LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A A RAISED RANCH WITH A, THE BACK LIFTED.
SO WE, WE, WE CHANGED THAT AND WE ARE DOING IT WITH THE, THE VERNACULAR AND REPEATING EXACTLY WHAT'S THERE, JUST MAKING IT WIDER.
THE TWO DOORS IN THE BACK ON THE, THE, WHAT I CALL THE GROUND LEVEL.
ARE THEY GOING TO STAY BARN LIKE OR ARE YOU GOING TO MODERNIZE THEM? NO, THERE WE, WE ARE GONNA ELIMINATE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT USEFUL AND THEY'RE NOT IN GOOD SHAPE.
SO WE ARE JUST PUTTING A SIMILAR WINDOW TO THE ONE THAT'S THERE.
THERE'S NO USE FOR THEM ANYMORE.
I A, UM, YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF EROSION AROUND THE BARN.
I MEAN I, I, I BELIEVE WHEN WE DO THE PROJECT, THEY WILL IMPROVE THAT AND THEY WILL DO SOME DRAINAGE WORK, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE, IN THE SCOPE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE FOOTPRINT.
BUT I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE REASON WE WILL CLOSE THE GARAGE DOOR.
'CAUSE ALL THE WATER ENDS UP IN THE GARAGE.
IT COMES DOWN THE HILL AND IT GETS INTO IT.
SO WE ARE PUTTING A WINDOW THAT RAISES THE GROUND AND WATER WILL NOT PENETRATE, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
I'M, UH, CONFUSED AND I'M SURE IT'S ME.
UM, ON THE FIRST PAGE, ONE C SAYS CONSTRUCTION PERIOD, AND YOU GOT IT OUT OF THE FISHER LARSON, UM, HISTORIC SURVEY.
IT SAYS 1820, AND THEN IT SAYS THAT NEAR THE HOUSE WAS BUILT WAS 1900.
THEN YOU TALK ABOUT A DETACHED GARAGE, 1930.
AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT A BARN DEMOLITION 1947.
I CAN'T, CAN'T MAKE SENSE OUT OF THAT.
I KNOW WE DIDN'T EITHER, BECAUSE WHEN WE RESEARCH EVERYTHING WE CAN GET, ANYTIME WE FOUND A REFERENCE TO THIS BUILDING, WE GRABBED IT AND SEE.
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THE BOND DEMOLITION INFORMATION CAME FROM THE, THE, THE OWNER HAD A LITERALLY A SMALL PIECE OF PAPER THAT SHE GOT FROM SOMEWHERE THAT SHE SAID, OH, I HAD THIS.UH, SO IT'S AN OLD PERMIT CARD THAT THEY HAVE.
BUT WAS THERE A GARAGE WHERE THE BARN IS NOW? YES.
IT HAS A CONCRETE SLAB AND CARS CAN DRIVE ON IT.
I THINK THEY KEPT THE FOOTPRINT AND THEY KEPT THE FOUNDATION, BUT THEY HAVE NO RECORD OF THAT OTHER THAN THERE WAS A DEMOLITION.
IT'S REFERENCED IN THE, IN THE, IN THE INFORMATION WE COLLECTED.
SOMETIMES BARN, SOMETIMES GARAGE, DETACH GARAGE.
THE TERMS ARE USED INTERCHANGEABLY IN THE HISTORIC DOCUMENTS.
BUT WHEN YOU GO INTO THE STRUCTURE, IT'S COMPLETELY MODERN.
I MEAN, THERE'S A SLAB AND THERE IS CONCRETE.
WE COULDN'T GET IN 'CAUSE NOBODY WAS HUNG.
SO, BUT I, I'M LIKE, I'M JUST TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S NO LONGER A BARN.
A BARN WILL NOT HAVE CONCRETE SLAB IN IT.
NOT, NOT FROM THAT PERIOD, NO.
IT'S, IT HAS BEEN, UH, MODIFIED.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK, I THINK BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PERSPECTIVE, LOOK HOW CLOSE THE WINDOW IS TO US, CARL, RIGHT? YEAH.
WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO A BUILDING, THERE'S JUST NO WAY YOU COULD SEE THE FULL, WHAT'S GOING ON.
THIS, THIS DRAWING IS REALLY TAKING IT FROM FAR AWAY.
YOU'RE SEE IN THE FOUNDATION, YOU'RE SEEING THE UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW.
SO I THINK WHEN YOU PULL AWAY, YOU'VE SEEN MORE OF THAT.
AS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE BUILDING, IT'S KIND OF HIDDEN.
BUT I BUT THAT'S FROM THE STREET.
IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T THINK YOU'VE, BUT WERE YOU ACROSS THE STREET OR RIGHT ON THE CURB? NO, I WAS ON RIGHT ON THE CURB.
YOU CAN SEE PART OF THE, YEAH.
AND I WAS ON THE STREET ITSELF, NOT RIGHT THE SIDEWALK AT ALL.
BUT I WAS ON THE SIDE CLOSER TO THE HOUSE, NOT ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THAT'S A PERSPECTIVE FROM EVEN FARTHER THAN THE SIDEWALK THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON WILL HAVE.
SO IT, UNLESS, OR ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THE SAME EFFECT WILL HAPPEN TO THE SAME DORMER.
'CAUSE WE ARE REALLY STARTING AT THAT SAME POINT.
THE FACE, THE DISTANCE FROM THE ROOF LINE, IT'S THE SAME.
AND THESE ARE ACCURATE 'CAUSE THEY'RE MEASUREMENT AND WHY WE DO THEM IN TWO DIMENSION.
'CAUSE THEY GIVE YOU THE EXACT HEIGHT, THE EXACT WIDTH.
ANYTIME YOU DO AN ANGLE, EVERYTHING GETS DISTORTED.
WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY, THEY ARE RAISING THAT TO THE CURRENT HEIGHT.
AND YOU'RE ADDING A DORM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROOF.
WE'RE DUPLICATING IT ON THE OTHER DORM.
AND BARNES AND, AND, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOUR INTENTION IS TO KEEP THE RED COLOR, THE EXISTING COLOR? YES.
WE HAVE NO, NO INTENTION ON THE CHANGING ANYTHING.
UM, AND SO, AND THE SIDING CEDAR, WE ARE GONNA BE MATCHING IT.
IS EVERYTHING GETTING REPAINTED ONCE THOSE PROBABLY, YES, BECAUSE IT WILL NEVER MATCH.
I MEAN, THEY DO A FRESH CEDAR NEXT TO THE OLD ONE.
WHEN THEY POP THE WINDOWS, THEY'RE GONNA DAMAGE IT TO GONNA PUT IT BACK AND, AND PAINT.
SO I THINK MADELINE ASKED THIS, BUT SO THE PLAN IS TO HAVE TWO BATHROOMS? YES, CORRECT.
ONE DOWNSTAIRS, ONE IN THE THIRD LEVEL.
SO, AND THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION.
THERE IS A BATHROOM IN THE STRUCTURE NOW.
WHAT LEVEL IS IT ON THE SE ON THE, THE, ON THE, BASICALLY ON IN THE ATTIC.
BASICALLY IN THE, WHERE THIS, WHERE THE DORMER IS IS A BATHROOM.
LIKE YOU, YOU, YOU'RE LIKE IN THIS, BUT THERE IS BATHROOM, A SEWER AND SINK AND, AND TOP.
SO HOW MANY STORIES IS THAT TECHNICALLY? IS THAT CONSIDERED TO BE TWO STORIES OR THREE? I THINK IT'S ONE AND A HALF BASICALLY.
AND IT'S STAYING ONE AND A HALF.
I FROM, FROM A LEGAL DESCRIPTION BY THE NEW YORK STATE.
IT'S ONE AND A HALF BEING THE ATTIC HAS LIGHT COMING THROUGH A BUT IT'S STILL NOT A LIVABLE SPACE PER HEIGHT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE MADE LIVABLE SPACE.
BUT IT'S, UH, FROM VOLUME AND HOW WE CONSIDER A HOUSE, ONE STORY, TWO STORY.
BECAUSE A TWO STORY WILL HAVE AN ATTIC OR SOMETHING BE ABOVE IT.
SO THEN WHEN IT'S NOT A FULL SECOND STORY AND AN ATTIC, IT'S CALLED ONE AND A HALF FROM THE MAIN STREET.
IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE EXPOSED ON ONE SIDE.
HAS THIS BEEN BECAUSE OF THE, THIS REVIEWED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? NO, THEY WON'T LOOK AT, OH, YES, I REVIEWED IT AND THEY SAID IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TO GET AN
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AREA VARIANCE FOR THE ROOF BECAUSE WE, IT'S NOT CONFIRMING AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.AND THEY WANT US TO APPROVE THAT.
BUT, UH, BUT BEFORE THAT, THEY WANT US TO COME TO HISTORIC.
SO WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT ULTIMATELY THE DETERMINATION OF THE HEIGHT WILL BE MADE BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
IT WAS MADE BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND SAY GO BACK TO THE ZONING BOARD TO GET THAT APPROVED BECAUSE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AS IT IS, DOESN'T MEET THE CURRENT NONCONFORMING WHERE THE CODE.
SO THE VARIANCE YOU'RE SEEKING IS, IS, THEY CALL IT AREA VARIANCE.
IT'S BASICALLY FOR THE HEIGHT, THE EXISTING HEIGHT OF THE BARN, OF THE, THE GARAGE.
I, I DIDN'T GET THAT LEVEL OF
JUST THE HEIGHT? NO, JUST THE HEIGHT.
SO YOU'RE SEEKING A VARIANCE SO THAT THE NEW ROOF LINE WILL BE ALSO NONCONFORMING.
AND IT'LL BE ALLOWED TO BE NONCONFORMING BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE'S NOT.
I MEAN, I ASSUME THEN THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S THE PLAN IS IT'S ALREADY AT THAT HEIGHT.
THERE IS ALREADY A DORMER AT THAT HEIGHT, WHICH IS MAKING IT WIDER.
UH, BUT THEN WE ARE INCREASING THAT NONCONFORMING.
SO BASICALLY THAT'S WHAT, YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE READY TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TODAY.
WELL, IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD.
ONE, UM, AND I THINK MR. LIEBERMAN KIND OF HAS BEEN BRINGING THIS UP THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY WITH A, WITH A PROPOSAL OF THIS TYPE, UH, BEFORE THE HISTORIC BOARD, THE, THE BOARD HAS ASKED SOME GREAT QUESTIONS AND HAS GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF RESPONSES.
I THINK THE 3D TYPE, YOU KNOW, IMAGERY THAT CAN BE PROVIDED, UH, BY, UH, BONNA THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE WOULD, WILL BE HELPFUL.
ULTIMATELY, THOUGH THE BOARD IS EITHER GOING TO NOMINATE THE STRUCTURE FOR LOCAL DESIGNATION OR NOT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD PROBABLY DISCUSS WHETHER WHAT ITS INTENTIONS ARE IN THAT REGARD.
AND ED, STOP ME IF YOU THINK I'M OFF BASE, BUT, AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO SUBMITTING THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, I CAN COLLECT THAT AND DISTRIBUTE IT.
BUT IF THE BOARD, LET'S JUST SAY AS AN EXAMPLE, WAS NOT GOING TO GO THE ROUTE OF, UH, NOMINATING, THEN, YOU KNOW, IF I COLLECTED THE INFORMATION SUBJECT TO THE BOARD'S LETTER WITH, WITH CONDITIONS SIMILAR TO OTHER LETTERS THAT WE'VE ISSUED, THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, ALTERNATIVELY, IF THE BOARD WAS GONNA PROPOSE FOR NOMINATION, THEN WE'D HAVE TO DO A LOT OF PAPERWORK IN THAT REGARD.
SO, UM, ASIDE FROM THE 3D MODELING, IS THERE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO TRY AND GET A BETTER SENSE, I MEAN, I'VE HEARD THE EXPLANATION, BUT I CAN SEE WHAT CARL'S SEEING IN THE, IN THE PHOTO.
UH, WAS THERE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO SEE FROM, UM, MS. CHIRA? ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? THE ONLY THING, I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, BUT THEY WERE ANSWERED.
UH, DOES COR HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? WELL, UM, JUST A CLARIFICATION TO WHAT, UH, AARON WAS SAYING IS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, DESIGNATING THE HOUSE AND THE BARN, OR I MEAN THE GARAGE OR JUST THE GARAGE.
WELL, ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE BOARD BECAUSE, UH, I THINK HOUSES IS ALSO WORTH CONSIDERING.
AT LEAST I FEEL IF IT IS A SIMILAR AGE, I, I DIDN'T KNOW THE HOUSE WAS PART OF THE, I DON'T HAVE TO, WELL, THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO NOMINATE ANY STRUCTURE THROUGHOUT THE TOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, NOMINATE AND THAT THERE'S A PROCESS INVOLVED WITH THAT.
UM, WE'VE SEEN SIMILAR PROPOSALS TO THIS AND IN, IN, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST GONNA SAY IN MY OPINION, UH, POTENTIALLY MORE, UH, I SHOULD SAY
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A PROPOSAL THAT WOULD ALTER THE STRUCTURE MORE THAN WHAT'S PROPOSED IN THIS APPLICATION.UM, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT MY, IT'S IT KNOW, NOT MY DECISION.
IT'S ULTIMATELY THE BOARD'S DECISION ON HOW IT WANTS TO PROCEED.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I'M HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT'S ARCHITECT THAT, YOU KNOW, FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, THEY'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE EVEN APPLYING TO THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, AND THE ONLY THING AS I UNDERSTAND IT THAT'S BEEN ASKED FOR, FOR CLARITY IS, IS THE IMAGERY.
HAVE YOU ALL BEEN OUT THERE? NO, I HAVE MY, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
WHAT I THOUGHT WAS EXTREMELY PRETTY IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD.
IS THE FAN SHAPED, UM, WINDOWS OR WINDOW PANES ABOVE THE GARAGE DOORS? ARE THEY GOING TO REMAIN OR ARE THEY SURE? NO, NO, THE GARAGE DOOR IS BEING REPLACED.
THESE WINDOWS, IT'S JUST GONNA BE A PLAIN GARAGE DOOR.
NO, IT ISN'T THE PLAN I DID IT WITH MORE, MORE, UH, MORE, MORE TRADITIONAL AND A LOT MORE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I ONLY, UH, PUT MORE, UH, DETAIL ON THE, ON THE GARAGE DOOR.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, AND WE ARE ADDING, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S THEN MORE DECORATIVE? YEAH, MORE DECORATIVE AND MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE HOUSE.
THERE'S NO ARCH LIKE THIS, THAT ELLIPTICAL ARCH IS VERY MODERATE.
I THINK IT WAS REPLACED BY WHOEVER CHANGED OUR GARAGE DOORS.
IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT RIGHT ACTUALLY IT'S STRUCTURALLY IT'S CUTTING INTO THE STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOUND, IT'S NOT PART OF IT.
SOMEBODY DECORATED IT OR GOT NEEDED LIGHT IN THERE.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT WAS NOT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN SEE IT.
YEAH, THAT'S NOW IT'S LIKE A SUNBURST, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND IT'S, IT'S A PIECE OF PLASTIC.
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GARAGE.
THEY FOUND IT SOMEWHERE AND STUCK IT ABOVE THE GARAGE DOOR AND THE PROPOSED GARAGE DOORS.
ARE THEY FOLDING? UH, THEY FOLD, BUT THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE A BARN DOOR.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TWO HA IS IT CLAES AND HANDLES AND, AND A AND FORGE IRON BRACKETS, EVERYTHING.
SO THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE REALLY AN OLD BARN, EXCEPT THEY OPEN STRAIGHT UP SO THEY CAN UTILIZE THE SPACE.
THERE'S A COMPANY THAT MAKES THEM, THEY'RE FANTASTIC.
YOU THINK YOU CAN OPEN THEM LIKE THIS? MM-HMM.
ONE AND TWO, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT.
WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO AS A GROUP, PLEASE? I, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE HOUSE.
I DON'T KNOW, WE, ARE YOU EQUIPPED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HOUSE? I, I HAVEN'T DONE ANY RESEARCH ON THE HOUSE.
I THINK IT IS MUCH MORE RE MORE RECENT AND IT'S, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO IT.
THEY RESTORED IT, THEY'RE PAINTED IT, IT'S IN GOOD SHAPE.
THEY'RE NOT MODIFYING ANYTHING IN THERE.
JUST TO PUT MY QUESTIONS ON THE TABLE IN CASE WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THIS.
SO AS, AS YOU NOTED, UM, THAT THE PERIOD OF CONSTRUCTION IS REFERRED TO US FROM 1820, RIGHT? THE HOUSE ON THE PUBLIC CARD IS SAID TO BE FROM 1900.
IF YOU LOOK ANYWHERE ONLINE FOR THE HOUSE, IT SAYS IT'S FROM 1920.
SO THEY THINK, DOES ANYONE KNOW THEY SOLD ME THE OWNER? YEAH, THE OWNER TOLD ME THAT IT'S FROM 19 40 40.
SO THAT'S A WHOLE NEW DATE THAT I NEVER EARLIER.
IT'S LIKE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CORRECT BECAUSE WE, WE NOW, WE DUG INTO THE RECORD, BUT I THINK IN THE, I, I, LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T TELL YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT 'CAUSE I DID NOT RESEARCH THAT.
I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS IN, IN, IN, IN THE, IN THE PLATE RIGHT HERE.
UM, BUT, BUT THE GARAGE, WHEN IT SAYS THE HOUSE, I'M SORRY.
I MEAN, THE HOUSE IS NOT SUBJECT IN TERMS OF THE PROPOSAL BEFORE THE BOARD, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING ACCURATE INFORMATION'S HELPFUL.
CLEARLY IF THE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE OLD PROPERTY CARD OR EVEN THE NEW PROPERTY CARD HAS A DATE ON IT.
BUT TO, WITHOUT AN ACTUAL BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY HARD TO KNOW HOW ACCURATE THE INFORMATION IS ON THE PROPERTY CARD.
AND THE PROPERTY CARD, EVEN THE OLD ONES WERE CLEARLY PREPARED AFTER THAT TIME PERIOD.
KAREN, IF WE, UM, WERE TO COME TO SOME KIND OF AN AGREEMENT TONIGHT MM-HMM
COULD WE STILL ASK THE, UH, OWNER TO CLARIFY THE DATES WHICH RUN FROM 18 SOMEBODY TO 1947? MOST DEFINITELY.
SO THE BOARD HAS THE ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY IF THE BOARD WAS GONNA CONTEMPLATE MOVING FORWARD
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AND, AND ALLOWING THE PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD, SUBJECT TO, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HAS NO ISSUE WITH PREPARING SOMETHING IN, IN 3D FORMAT TO SUBMIT TO STAFF.AND THEN I CAN DISTRIBUTE SIMILARLY, YOU KNOW, CLARIFYING THE RECORD WITH RESPECT TO THE DATES PROVIDED TO THE EXTENT AVAILABLE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
THE BOARD HAS DONE THAT BEFORE, AND I, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT COULDN'T BE ASKED FOR.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS APPLICANT HAS A PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY EVER GONNA GET TO A BUILDING PERMIT STAGE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO APPLY TO THE ZONING BOARD.
TOMORROW IS THE 15TH, WHICH IS THE DEADLINE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA EVEN BE ABLE TO APPLY, UH, UNTIL THE, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME POTENTIALLY PRIOR TO THE AUGUST 15TH DEADLINE, WHICH WOULD ONLY GET THEM ON AT THE EARLIEST IN SEPTEMBER WITH THE ZONING BOARD.
SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO, YOU KNOW, RESEARCH THAT INFORMATION, GET THE 3D INFO, UH, DOCUMENTATION OVER, AND THAT CAN BE DISTRIBUTED.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH IT.
YEAH, AND IF YOU LIKE, WHEN I DO THIS 3D VIEW, I'LL TAKE IT FROM THE SAME VINTAGE POINT THAT, THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM THE SIDE STREET.
THAT SEEMS TO BE YOUR CONCERN.
BECAUSE FROM, UM, FROM ALL THE ARMY, YOU REALLY DON'T SEE ITUE.
BUT, BUT I CAN TAKE A SAME VINTAGE POINT THAT YOU TOOK THAT PHOTO.
HENRY STREET, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS RESEARCHING THE INFORMATION ON THE PROPERTY, I, IF I CAN GET ANY HELP FROM YOU GUYS, TELL ME WHERE I SHOULD LOOK IN TERMS OF SOURCES, BECAUSE EVEN IF I HAVE TO GO IN PERSON TO SEARCH IN THE CARDS, BUT WE DID IT ONLINE AND WE DID IT PHYSICALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SOURCES OTHER THAN THE COUNTY AND THE VILLAGE RECORD.
YOU HAVE A LINK THAT I, IF, IF YOU HAVE WHAT, WHAT AARON'S WHAT I SENT TO AARON? YEAH.
THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A LINK THAT I PROVIDED INFORMATION I FOUND.
THAT WE, WE IT WAS JUST THE SALE OF THE, THE SALE OF THE REC CONTRACT.
OF THE SALE OF THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY FROM THE CENTER OF JEWISH HISTORY.
AND THEN WE, WE NOTED IT ON THE LIST.
SO WE WENT AS FAR AS 53 AND THE REST IS UNKNOWN.
SO I MEAN, UH, YEAH, FROM 21 TO 53 ABOUT OWNERSHIP.
AFTER THAT WE CAN'T FIND ANYTHING.
ED WOULDN'T LAND RECORDS HAVE SOMETHING THE UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, YOU CAN GO TO THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE FOR THE PROPERTY CARD.
AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR ANY BUILDING PERMITS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
AND, UM, YOU MIGHT GET SOMETHING FROM THE DEEDS NOWADAYS, SAY BEING THE SAME.
WHEN YOU GET TO THE BOTTOM OF SCHEDULE A, WHICH IS THE MEETS AND BOUNDS, THEY OFTEN SAY BEING THE SAME PROPERTY THAT WAS TRANSFERRED FROM A TO B BY DEED DATED SO AND SO RECORDED AT THE LIBRARY PAGE, WHICH IS THE COUNTY RECORD.
YOU YOU MEAN FROM THE SURVEY? YEAH, FROM THE DESCRIPTION OF THE DEED OF THE RIGHT.
YOU MAY ALL, YOU MAY ALSO GET INFORMATION FROM SURVEYS.
I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE THE TOWN WOULD HAVE THE SURVEY, BUT, BUT WOULDN'T THE, WOULD THE PLACE, UM, YOUR TITLE, YOUR CLIENT'S TITLE POLICY MIGHT HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL? DO WE HAVE A TITLES? WHAT I, WELL WILL, SO, SO WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PROVIDE YOU WITH MORE WHO THE OWNERS WERE BEFORE 1953? IS THAT THE YES, BECAUSE, AND BEYOND THAT MORE, A LITTLE MORE CLARITY IF IT'S POSSIBLE ON THE BUILD DATES, BILL DATES.
AND OR DEMO DATES, YOU KNOW, FOR YES.
THERE'S ANY WAY TO FIND OUT WHEN THE BARN WAS DEMO.
I THINK THAT INFO WAS KIND OF THERE, BUT MAYBE MAKING IT A LITTLE MORE CLEAR FOR EVERYONE BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF DATES THROWN OUT THERE THEN EVEN THIS EVENING SAYING THE OWNERS, YOU KNOW, WE FIND SOMETHING ELSE.
SO JUST, JUST, IT WOULD EVEN BE GREAT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, LOOK, THE INFORMATION MAY NOT BE 100% CLEAR, BUT IF YOU WERE TO PROVIDE A BULLETED LIST, OKAY.
PURSUANT TO THIS DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, AND PROVIDE WHATEVER INFORMATION PURSUANT TO THE PROPERTY CARD, IT WAS BUILT IN THIS DATE PURSUANT TO THE PROPERTY CARD, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS DEMOLISHED.
UH, IN THIS YEAR, PURSUANT TO THE SURVEY, THIS PURSUANT TO THE OWNER'S, YOU KNOW, VERBAL STATEMENT, THIS YES.
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THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.I MEAN, I THOUGHT WE DID THAT, BUT WE KIND OF GOT THROWN AND SAY ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET 1947.
LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO, YEAH, OKAY.
BECAUSE WE DID, WE DID THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND SO, SO YOU, SO YOU JUST WANT MORE, MORE INFORMATION OR CLARIFICATION ON THE SEQUENCE OF THAT BUILDING, BUT BECAUSE THE DATES ARE CONTRADICTING EACH OTHER, I KNOW YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT YOU'RE ABLE AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON OVER TIME.
I THINK I, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T BEGIN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING YOUR ZONING BOARD APPLICATION.
AARON, WHEN WE, WHEN WE WRITE THE NORMAL LETTER, WE COULD INCLUDE THESE ITEMS AS WELL, RIGHT? CORRECT.
ARE WE ALL HAPPY WITH THIS? YES.
UM, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO SEND THE NORMAL LETTER AND TO A, AND TO, UM, APPROVE THIS PROJECT WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'VE SO NOTED? I MAKE THE MOTION.
I'LL, I'LL, I'LL APPRECIATE ANY HELP I CAN GET.
OKAY, I NEED TO, YES, JUST QUICKLY, NOW THAT I KNOW THAT THIS SHE, THAT THIS IS THE PLASTIC PIECE YEAH.
IS HAVING THE HOUSE I'M HAVING WORKED ON, ON HOUSE IN THE CONTRACT.
THIS IS WHAT THE CONTRACTOR WANTED TO PUT AROUND MY DOOR, WHICH IS NOT MM-HMM
I SAID, YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING, I'M NOT PUTTING THAT UP.
HE GOES, WELL, YOU CAN TAKE THIS AND THEN PUT IT ON YOUR GARAGE DOOR AS WELL.
AND HE SAID, IT'S PLASTIC SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
SO HE WENT INTO A BIG BATTLE AND HE TOLD ME THAT IF HE HAD TO BUY MY HOUSE, HE WOULDN'T
WE NEED, WE, I WANTED TO REGENERON QUICKLY AND THEN I'M GOING TO ASK TO GO INTO, UM, ATTORNEY CLIENT, UH, ED WROTE US SOMETHING.
SO REGENERON, UM, WHICH IS, AND THAT HAS MORE KNOWLEDGE ON IT THAN I HAVE, UM, IS BUILDING A FOURTH OR FIFTH BUILDING DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
UM, THERE WERE CONDITIONS, THE INITIAL PHASE, I THINK IT PROBABLY IS TIME TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT, WHAT THAT PROPERTY WAS, WHAT'S ON IT.
'CAUSE THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE AN INDIAN BURIAL GROUND.
THE, THE MOUND IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND BUILDINGS, AARON.
AND THE KNOLL IS A PROTECTED AREA THAT WAS IDENTIFIED, UM, WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION PROCESS AND SET ASIDE THE 40 ACRES THAT WOULDN'T BE DISTURBED.
THE KNOLLS, THE KNOLL, PARDON ME, UH, SITS WITHIN THAT.
SO IT'S WITH, IT'S BETWEEN THE CURRENT MILLION SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ESSENTIALLY NINE A, UM, THEY DO HAVE A PROPOSAL.
THE CURRENT PROPOSAL RIGHT NOW IS A LOGISTICS BUILDING THAT'S PROPOSED IN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN DISTURBED IN CONNECTION WITH TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS.
THE LOGISTICS BUILDING INITIALLY WAS APPROVED A FEW YEARS AGO BY THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, THERE WAS A SIMILAR CONDITION, WHICH IS IN YOUR HANDOUTS TONIGHT, CONDITION TWO POINT 10, WHICH MIMICS THE PRIOR CONDITION THAT THE TOWN BOARD, UM, IMPOSED BASED ON FEEDBACK FROM H-N-L-P-B AT THAT TIME, AS I UNDERSTAND.
SO NOW THEY ARE BACK BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD ON REFERRAL BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING PROPOSING TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE LOGISTICS BUILDING AND MAKE SOME OTHER MODIFICATIONS.
SO THEY'RE COMING BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT AND, UH, CHAIRPERSON OSHA WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONDITION CARRIED.
AT THE SAME TIME, THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD OVER THE YEARS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF
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THE SITE AND WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF A CORDIAL DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT AND ITS REPRESENTATIVES, YOU KNOW, THEM HONORING THE PAST AND HISTORY OF THE SITE BY PERHAPS PUTTING IN A PLAQUE.MAYBE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE PLAQUE THAT WE GOT FOR, UH, THE PAINE STREET AND WINTHROP AVE PROJECT THAT RECOGNIZES, UH, THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN MODEL, UM, WHICH WE HAVE THAT PLAQUE IN.
IT HASN'T BEEN INSTALLED YET, BUT WE DO HAVE IT IN, UH, IT'S UP IN THE OFFICE AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND IN FACT, I'D MENTIONED TO THE CHAIR THAT DURING COVID THERE WAS A LOCAL GENTLEMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS FROM IRVINGTON OR TARRYTOWN, BUT HE DID ABOUT 40 TO 50 WRITE-UPS ON VARIOUS ESTATES, UM, AND SITES WITHIN THE RIVER TOWNS AND UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG, INCLUDING WHAT WAS REFERRED TO AS THE LANDMARK EASTVIEW SITE, WHICH IS NOW THE REGENERON SITE HAD BEEN THE UNION CARBIDE SITE.
AND BEFORE THAT, A LARGER STATE I'M GONNA TRANSMIT THAT'S ON FACEBOOK.
I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO LOCATE IT, BUT I AM GONNA TRANSMIT IT TO THE BOARD BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY AND HAD HIS OWN PRIVATE RACETRACK ON THE PROPERTY AMONGST OTHER THINGS.
AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, QUITE INTERESTING.
AND IT'S, IT'S A PHENOMENAL WRITEUP.
I MEAN, ONCE YOU READ THE FIRST ONE THAT I SEND YOU, YOU ARE GONNA WANT TO SEARCH THE OTHER ONES THAT HE DID.
I MEAN, THEY'RE REALLY EXCELLENT AND OFTEN HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS ACCOMPANYING AND OR SURVEYS OR OLD MAPS.
UM, BE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE BOARD FEELS ABOUT PURSUING SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE STAFF CAN BEGIN TO PURSUE IT ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD.
AARON, I TRIED TO REACH THE MAN, HE'S FROM IRVINGTON.
I TRIED TO REACH HIM, MARK DONOVAN.
AND I COULD NOT GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM.
I'M SORRY, I MESSAGE BECAUSE AT THE PHONE NUMBER THAT I HAD, NOBODY EVER RETURNED THE PHONE CALL.
I REACHED OUT TO HIM VIA FACEBOOK RIGHT AROUND WHEN HE HAD STARTED POSTING THEM BECAUSE IT WASN'T LIKE 50 AT ONE TIME.
IT WAS ONE A WEEK OR SOMETHING FOR A YEAR OR TWO.
AND UH, HE DID, HE AND I COMMUNICATED.
SO, UM, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH HIM FURTHER AFTER YOU'VE REVIEWED WHAT I FORWARD ALONG, WHAT I'LL TRY AND DO IS PRINT IT, SCAN IT, AND THEN EMAIL IT OUT TO THE BOARD.
UM, DOES EVERYONE FEEL LIKE IT'S WORTH PURSUING AND GETTING THIS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? YES, BECAUSE THAT THE, THE MOUND, WHAT WE THINK IS THE INDIAN BURIAL GROUNDS OR THE MOUND THAT'S THERE, THE NULL, ESPECIALLY WHERE THE HOUSE, THE NULL, THAT'S WHERE THE HOUSE WAS.
SO I KNOW THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME, THERE WAS A PHASE ONE ARCHEOLOGICAL DONE YEARS AGO.
THEY DID FIND, YOU KNOW, BROKEN POTTERY AND SOME OTHER THINGS, BUT THEY, THEY NEVER IN THE REPORT FOUND ANY, YOU KNOW, BONE HUMAN REMAINS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU DO TEST BITS, YOU DON'T JUST EXCAVATE THE WHOLE THING.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN EVEN DIG THAT UP AND TRANSMIT IT.
I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, I WOULD HATE TO SEE ANY PART OF THAT 40 ACRES GO JUST TO BUILD, PUT A BUILDING ON IT.
SO THAT 40 ACRES IS PROTECTED.
WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PUT THE LOGISTICS BUILDING IS IN AN ALREADY DEVELOPED AREA, KIND OF BUTT UP AGAINST OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, WHICH COMES OFF NINE A AND THERE'S A PARKING LOT THERE NOW.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE BUILDING WOULD BE GOING.
THEY'RE NOT LOOKING TO INTRUDE INTO THE FOUR OR GAIN SOME SORT OF VARIANCE OR WAIVER TO DISTURB THE 40 ACRES.
IF I'M ON, IF I'M ON OLD SAW MILL MM-HMM
LOOKING AT THE KNOLL WHERE THE, WHERE THE HOUSE WAS, THE PARKING LOT IS TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE LEFT.
SO THE KNOLL IS DEEP INTO THE WOODS FROM THAT POINT.
UM, WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU, IF YOU WERE ON NINE A TRAVELING NORTHBOUND AND YOU BASICALLY OLD SAW MILL RIVER ROAD IS AT AN ANGLE.
AND THEN, AND NOW IT GOES TOWARDS THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE.
UM, IF YOU MADE THAT SLIGHT, THAT ACUTE ANGLE LEFT ONTO OLD SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, THERE'S A GAS STATION NOW ON THE RIGHT WITH THE DUNKIN DONUTS.
IMMEDIATELY ACROSS FROM THAT IS A CURB CUT THAT GOES INTO A PARKING LOT.
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THAT'S A TEMPORARY CONTRACTOR PARKING LOT.THE BUILDING IS GOING TO WHAT I'LL CALL THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT.
IT'S NOT GOING DEEPER INTO AN UNDISTURBED AREA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S RIGHT THERE WHERE, UH, I THINK IF IT'S THE SAME SPOT THAT I'M LOOKING AT, THERE WAS A STONE WALL AND THEN THERE WAS A HUGE STONE THAT WAS ALMOST TRIANGULAR AND THAT WAS THE HORSE PASTURE.
JUST AS YOU HIT OLD, OLD SAUNA RIVER ROAD.
I MEAN, I KNOW SOME, SOME OF THAT AREA HAS CERTAINLY BEEN DISTURBED UP ALONG OLD SAW MILL RIVER ROAD BECAUSE OF THE PARKING LOT THAT'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND WAS APPROVED TO BE BUILT BEYOND THAT AS A WETLAND AREA.
AND THEY DIDN'T TOUCH THE WETLAND AND THEY DIDN'T TOUCH ANYTHING BEYOND THE WETLAND.
SO I CAN TRANSMIT SOME OF THE DRAWINGS AS WELL.
I'M JUST TAKING SOME NOTES, UM, OF WHAT I WILL PASS ALONG BECAUSE THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT BIG STONE YEAH, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
IT'S A HUGE, IT WAS A HUGE STONE.
IT WAS SORT OF TRIANGULAR AND IT WAS CLOSE TO OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
THE HORSES WERE ALWAYS IN THAT FIELD THERE.
LIKE IF I WAS LOOKING AT IT, IT WOULD BE THE STONE WOULD BE ON THE LEFT AND THEN THE HORSES WOULD BE THERE.
THE HOUSE WAS UP ON THE, ON THE KNOLL ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AND THERE WAS UM, LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD PORT LIKE A PORTICO OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME OUT WHERE THE CARS COULD GO INTO A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY SO THAT THE PEOPLE WOULDN'T GET WET.
BUT IN FRONT OF THAT WAS THE BIG HORSE DOLLAR, THAT ONE IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
AND DOLLAR RAN AT YONKERS RACE WITH HIM.
DO NOW STANDS IN FRONT OF THE ELMSFORD VILLAGE HALL.
SO MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN GET A RIDE OR SOMETHING TO GO GO OVER TO OLD SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, SEE IF YOU RECOGNIZE WHERE THAT STONE MIGHT BE.
BECAUSE THEN WE CAN TALK AND I CAN GET OUT THERE AND TAKE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS.
YEAH, PROBABLY WE COULD, WE COULD DO A SITE VISIT, COULDN'T WE? SURE.
I HOPE IT'S STILL THERE THAT THEY DIDN'T BUST IT UP.
YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN ME ONCE YOU SEE IT.
SO YEAH, I WENT OUT THERE WITH A COUPLE, WITH A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE WITH THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PARKING LOT AND THE BUILDING WHERE THE BUILDING'S GOING.
THE BOARD WAS CON HAD A COUPLE OF CONCERNS.
SO WE WENT OUT THERE SITE VISIT.
'CAUSE THERE WAS ALSO, NOW IN THE BACK, I, I'M ASSUMING NOW THAT IT'S GONE, THERE WAS ALSO NOT ONLY THE RACETRACK, BUT THERE WAS ALSO THE, UH, TENNIS COURTS UM, NOW, YEAH.
THERE ARE SOME TENNIS COURTS THERE THAT'S FURTHER IN OFF THE ROAD.
UM, THEY'VE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS IN THAT AREA.
IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN UP THERE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT'S GOING TO LOOK DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONSTRUCTION THEY HAVE GOING ON.
BUT A LOT OF IT'S WITHIN THE AREAS THAT WERE ALREADY DISTURBED.
SO I'M HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE AWAY STARTING TOMORROW.
UM, AND SOON AS WE'RE DONE HERE I'M GONNA BE PACKING.
UM, BUT ONCE I GET BACK AND PROBABLY IN AUGUST IF WE'RE ALL AROUND, I'M HAPPY TO ACCOMPANY MEMBERS OUT THERE JUST TO TAKE A LOOK.
THE TRICK WILL BE NOT TAKING MORE THAN TWO AT A TIME BECAUSE IF WE HAVE CLEAR YOUR DESK, WE'LL SET A DATE.
IF WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE TWO AT A TIME.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THREE THEN IT'S A QUORUM OF THE BOARD AND YOU HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC NOTICE.
IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.
OH, YOU CAN'T, ED KNOWS
CAR KNOWS T'S BEEN ON A BUNCH OF THOSE VISITS.
WE, WE STAGGERED THE GUYS ONE ALSO.
SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL LINE THAT UP, BUT IN THE INTERIM I'LL GET YOU THOSE DOCUMENTS SO YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME THINGS BEFORE WE GET OUT THERE TOO.
AND AARON, THE PROPOSAL FOR FROM REGENERON IS TO PUT IN CORPORATE OFFICES THERE, OR WHAT KIND OF FACILITIES WILL THEY BE? IT'S A LOGISTICS BUILDING.
THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THE, THEY, THE R AND D'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
THE EXPANSION, IT'S A MILLION SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION THAT'S UNDERWAY IN MULTIPLE BUILDINGS.
THE LOGISTICS BUILDING IS SIMPLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO RECEIVE,
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YOU KNOW, PACKAGES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY TRANSMIT THAT, THAT, THAT, UM, WHATEVER THEY RECEIVE IN THE BOXES TO THE VARIOUS BUILDINGS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS SHIP HAS SAILED, BUT GIVEN THE ECOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE AREA, UH, I GUESS THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, THE R AND D POSSIBLE RUNOFF OR CONTAMINATION.
THERE WAS A FULL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
AARON? I WAS THINKING, UM, AND WHEN THEY RE UH, I'M SORRY, WHEN THEY REZONED IT TO ALLOW, UH, THEY REZONED THE PARCEL TO PLANNED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR THE PED DISTRICT.
AND WHEN THAT WAS CREATED, THEY WENT THROUGH AN ENTIRE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS.
SO DO YOU KNOW IF A LIDAR SURVEY WAS DONE IN THE KNOLL? I DON'T KNOW IF A LIDAR SURVEY WAS DONE ON THE KNOLL.
I KNOW THAT, UM, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE PHASE ONE ARCHEOLOGICAL SURVEY WAS DONE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS DONE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE KNOLLS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE YOU DO THE PLOTS BECAUSE THAT WAS OFF LIMITS AND THEY WERE PROPOSING TO PUT THAT AREA INTO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
ASIDE FROM POTENTIAL WALKING TRAILS.
THEY HAVEN'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE DONE THE TRAILS, BUT THAT WAS THE ONE CAVEAT TO NOT TOUCHING AT, AT ALL WAS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME WALKING PATHS I SHOULD SAY OR TRAILS THROUGH THE AREA.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE DONE THAT.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THEIR FOCUS AND EFFORT CURRENTLY IS ON THE MILLION SQUARE FOOT EXPANSION.
CON EDISON IS STILL THERE TOO.
THEY SHOULD BE DOWN ALMOST TOWARDS WHERE THE UH, UH, ONTO THE TARRYTOWN LINE.
OH YEAH, THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.
AND THE VILLAGE, THE VILLAGE OF TARRYTOWN HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WITH WHAT? WITH, WITH REGENERON.
WELL ALL OF IT FALLS WITHIN THEIR CAMPUS.
BUT THAT'S ALL CONNECTED TO WITH THE RE WELL THEN THEY HAVE THE ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE GOING ON ACROSS THE STREET NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS IN MOUNT PLEASANT
SO NOW THEY'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE APPROVALS AND REVIEWS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THE POINT HERE IS THAT THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT WAS IMPOSED UPON THEM PREVIOUSLY.
IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS TO TAKE A LOOK, SEE IF IT'S WORTHWHILE TO PROPOSE TO UPDATE THE LANGUAGE IN CONDITION TWO 10 AND SUBMIT SOMETHING ALONG TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT TONIGHT.
YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND SUBMIT ANY COMMENTS OR NOTES YOU HAVE TO ME.
UM, WE'LL SEE IF IT'S WORTH, IF, IF IN FACT THERE ARE SUGGESTED REVISIONS, WE'LL TRANSMIT THAT TO THE TOWN BOARD, REALLY THE TOWN BOARD.
BUT WE CAN COPY THE PLANNING BOARD SINCE THEY'RE REVIEWING IT.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THE TOWN BOARD, YOU KNOW, IF THE PROJECT'S APPROVED AS AMENDED, UH, INCORPORATES THAT AT THE SAME TIME.
WE'LL DO THE WORK TO GET YOU, WELL, STAFF WILL GET YOU THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE TALKED ABOUT AND WE'LL CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT MOVING TOWARDS GETTING A PLAQUE OR PLAQUES TO HONOR, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF THE SITE.
ARE WE ON, DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? ARE PIPELINE, UH, NO, THE TOWN, IT'S, SO THE TOWN BOARD ONLY REFERRED IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD.
THE PLANNING BOARD REALLY IS ONLY RECOMMENDING BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AT THIS TIME.
THE PLANNING BOARD WILL SEE IT AGAIN FOR AMENDED WETLAND WATER COURSE AND STEEP SLOPE PERMITS.
UM, THE PLANNING BOARD IS NEXT.
GOING TO SEE THIS ON AUGUST 5TH TENTATIVELY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS BUTTONED UP BY THEN BECAUSE THE TOWN BOARD WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING DOWN THE ROAD.
THAT WOULD BE IN THE FALL SOMETIME, I WOULD IMAGINE.
SO IF, IF WE HAD A A, A SITE VISIT BEFORE THE AUGUST MEETING, WE COULD PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR AUGUST AND OR SEPTEMBER AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE PLAQUES THEN.
AND I THINK FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, MR. LIEBERMAN MAY WANT US TO, UM, TIGHTEN UP THE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE.
YOU MEAN TWO 10? EXCUSE ME? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO 10? YES.
YEAH, MAYBE I'LL, I'LL SPEAK WITH, UH, MR. LIEBERMAN ABOUT THAT.
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OKAY.AND THEN WE COULD TRANSMIT SOMETHING TO THE BOARD AGAIN UPDATED SO EVERYONE HAS IT.
SO WE'LL PUT REGENERON ON FOR, FOR SEPTEMBER.
FOR AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, RIGHT.
TENTATIVE FOR AUGUST, I'LL SAY.
UM, COULD I GET A MOTION TO GO INTO, UH, ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE TO DISCUSS ED, DO I NEED TO, UM, JUST THE GENERAL CATEGORY.
UM, SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS TWO APPLICATIONS THAT MAY OR BE, MAY OR MAY NOT BE, UH, LANDMARK WORTHY.
I MOVE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.
MAY I HAVE A SECOND? PLEASE? SECOND.
AARON, YOU HAVE TO SHUT IT OFF.
YOU CAN STAY IN THE ROOM SINCE THERE'S NO ONE THERE.
I WILL NOTE THAT THAT VOTE WAS TAKEN AT 8:11 PM THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO ASK THE CHAIR, JUST TO HAVE ON RECORD BEFORE I CLOSE THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS THAT, UM, NO VOTES OR DECISIONS WILL BE MADE AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION.
IS THAT ACCURATE? WE WANT US, YEAH, YOU WANT US TO DO IT? THE END OF THAT, AT THE END OF OUR SESSION? IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE, MAKE ANY DECISION OR VOTE, UM, WELL WE'RE GONNA, YOU WOULD WANNA DO THAT IN A PUBLIC FORUM? WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO ADJOURN THE, THE MEETING.
SO AT THAT TIME THE ANNOUNCEMENT CAN BE MADE THAT THEY WERE COMING BACK FROM, UH, ATTORNEY CLIENT MEETING WITH, UH, COUNSEL AND NO DECISIONS AND NO MOTIONS WERE MADE AT THAT TIME.
WELL, OKAY, I'M GONNA LEAVE THAT TO, UH, COUNSEL.
I MEAN YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT COMMENT BEFORE THE MEETING HAS TAKEN PLACE BECAUSE WE KNOW WELL, RIGHT.
WELL MY UNDERSTANDING, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I HAVE TO LEAN ON LEGAL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN A CLOSED ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE SESSION, YOU WOULDN'T BE MAKING THOSE.
YOU MAY HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, BUT ULTIMATELY IF THERE'S A DECISION OR VOTE TO BE HAD, THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE BACK IN THE PUBLIC SESSION.
SO NO DECISIONS OR VOTES WILL BE TAKEN IN THIS ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE SESSION AND WE'LL VERIFY THAT.
AND WHEN WE COME BACK, UM, HOW DO WE TURN IT OFF AND THEN TURN IT BACK ON TO, UH, ADJOURN.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO,
SO REMEMBER BEFORE HOW YOU USED TO SEE THE END BUTTON AT THE BOTTOM AND NOW YOU DON'T? YES.
SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS MAKE YOU ESSENTIALLY THAT COMPUTER, THE HOST.
AND YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT.
AND THEN I'M GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH EXACTLY WHAT TO DO.
OKAY? SO HOPE BEAR WITH ME 'CAUSE I'VE GOTTA LOOK AND MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING BEFORE I TRY AND TALK YOU THROUGH IT, RIGHT? SEE? YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, UM, ZOOM JUST UPDATED EVERYTHING.
THE RECORDING RECORDING SHOULD BE STOPPED, RIGHT, AARON? WELL, I WAS GONNA SEE IF I COULD PAUSE THE RECORDING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IF YOU COULD PAUSE IT, THEN IT'S PAUSED.
SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I'M GONNA PAUSE IT, I'LL RESUME IT AGAIN SO YOU SEE THAT.
SO LET ME MAKE YOU THE HOST AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT TO DO.
IT STILL SAYS IT'S BEING RECORDED, BY THE WAY.
WELL 'CAUSE I JUST PUT IT BACK ON.
SO IT'S GONNA CHANGE OVER TO YOU GUYS.
UM, IS, DO YOU SEE ANY SORT OF LIKE REQUEST ON THE SCREEN, THE REQUEST TO DO WHAT? OR DOES IT SAY YOU'RE NOW THE HOST? DO YOU SEE ANY SORT OF NO.
SO NOW YOU, SO NOW YOU'RE THE HOST.
NOW ON THE TOP SIDE, ON THE, ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN THERE MAY BE VARIOUS ICONS INCLUDING
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LIKE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A NOTEPAD AND A PENCIL.IS THERE ONE THAT SAYS R-E-C-R-E-C WITH A CLOUD? SO IF YOU TAP ON THAT, IF YOU CLICK LEFT, CLICK ON THAT.
THERE SHOULD BE A DROPDOWN OPTION THAT SAYS PAUSE RECORDING.
ONCE YOU DO THAT, I MIGHT BE OFF.
YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CONVERSATION AT THE END.
YOU GO BACK TO THE SAME DROPDOWN AND IT'LL SAY RESUME RECORDING.
THEN YOU JUST MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT AND CLOSE THE MEETING.
WELL, BUT WAIT, AND I SEE THE END DOWN THE BOTTOM NOW.
AND, AND THEN YOU WILL END AT THE END, CORRECT? BUT, BUT AARON, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT RECORDING DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT TRANSMITTING LIVE, RIGHT? OH NO.
SO YOU'RE NOT LIVE, THIS ISN'T ON THE WEBSITE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OH, WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT ON, YOU'RE NOT ON TV.
YEAH, NO, THIS, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT, WHAT HAPPENS IS THIS RECORDING GETS TRANSMITTED TO OUR CABLE ACCESS.
WE, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS YOU PAUSE IT, WE'RE, WE'RE DONE.
NOW CORT, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO BE INVOLVED.
UM, SO WE WILL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE CORT WITH AN UPDATE SOMETIME FOLLOWING OH THAT, OKAY.
OR COR, IF YOU WANTED TO CALL IN, YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD CALL YOU OR YOU COULD, UH, EXCHANGE CELL PHONE NUMBER.
SO ED, ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU, YOU GUYS, YOU AND CARL UNDERSTAND 'CAUSE I'M LEAVING IT IN YOUR, BOTH YOUR CAPABLE HANDS.
EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD, SO YOU'RE GONNA THANK YOU.
YOU'RE GONNA PAUSE IT AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA START IT AGAIN AT THE END AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HIT END AT THE END,
LET ME HIT PAUSE AND SEE THAT THE RESUME COMES UP.
WE'RE BACK FROM OUR MEETING WITH OUR ATTORNEY.
WE TOOK NO ACTION, WE MADE NO VOTES.
SO WE'LL DO ONE MORE TINY BIT OF BUSINESS AND WE WILL ADJOURN.
UM, I KNOW WE HAVE, UH, LARSON FISHER AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE WHAT EASTON DID, BUT IF YOU CAN THINK OF ANY, RATHER THAN READING ALL OF OF BOTH BOOKS AGAIN, UM, IF YOU CAN THINK OF ANY HOUSES IN YOUR AREA THAT NEED, THAT COULD BE LANDMARKED OR WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHETHER THEY SHOULD, THEY'RE WORTHY OF LANDMARKING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CROSS THEM OFF.
UM, WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE TOWN PROPERTIES TOO, LIKE THE NATURE CENTER AND THERE'S THAT HOUSE ON ANTHONY VETERAN PARK.
THAT'S WHAT DID JOE TELL ME? LATE 17 HUNDREDS THAT'S NOW BEING USED FOR STORAGE
UM, AND YOU MENTIONED THE HARTSDALE FIRE HOUSE TODAY.
YES, THE HEART STILL FIRE HOUSE ON SECTION AVENUE IS FROM THE EIGHT, LATE 18 HUNDREDS.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS, RATHER THAN OUR SITTING AND GOING THROUGH FISHER LARSON, LET'S, WHAT WE CAN SEE MIGHT BE, UM, A BETTER USE OF OUR TIME FOR THE FUTURE.
ALL RIGHT, OUR NEXT MEETING I THINK IS AUGUST 11TH.
AND THE NEXT ONE IS SEPTEMBER, SOMEBODY WHICH I DON'T HAVE FRONT.
OH, ARE WE READY FOR ADJOURNMENT? WHICH I BELIEVE MOTION THE DAY AFTER.
PARDON ME? ISN'T THE THE EIGHTH THE DAY AFTER LABOR DAY, IS IT? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY ANNIVERSARY?
SO, SO, OH, THAT'S IS LABOR DAY THAT YES.
THE EIGHTH IS THE DAY AFTER LABOR DAY.
YOU MAY CHANGE THAT THEN NOBODY'S GONNA BE UP FOR WORKING.
DO I, UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO SECOND.
YOU GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY? YOUR RIDE HOME? I'M BASTILLE DAY.