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[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH PLANNING BOARD AGENDA WEDNESDAY, August 5, 2026 – 7:00 P.M. Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. ]
EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 5TH, 2026, PLANNING BOARD MEETING.IT IS 7:06 PM UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, MAY YOU CONDUCT THE ROLE? SURE.
OUR ALTERNATE MS. ROBINSON HERE AND OUR SECOND ALTERNATE, MR. PATEL HERE, BOTH OF WHICH WILL BE FULL VOTING MEMBERS THIS EVENING.
UM, STAFF HAS DISTRIBUTED A DRAFT OF THE JULY 15TH, 2026 MINUTES.
DID EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? YES.
WERE THERE ANY, UH, EDITS OR FEEDBACK OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES AS DISTRIBUTED.
UH, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS UP FOR OUR OLD BUSINESS WORK SESSION THIS EVENING.
UH, I WILL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WE WILL TAKE THE AGENDA OUT OF ORDER AND TAKE, UH, TB 26 0 3 PB 2318, LOOP ROLLED HOLDINGS SECOND, UH, AND WE'LL DO PB 2220 ELMWOOD PRESERVE THIRD.
UH, BUT FIRST UP, WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 25 37, UH, A CPI TWO FAIRVIEW, LLC 1 0 2 FAIRVIEW PARK DRIVE IN ELMSFORD.
AND THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
SO, FOLLOWING CLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, THERE HAVE BEEN NO ADDITIONAL WRITTEN COMMENTS RECEIVED.
THEREFORE, STAFF AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD PREPARED A DRAFT SEEKER DETERMINATION AS WELL AS A DRAFT DECISION FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THE PROJECT, UH, DOES QUALIFY AS A LOCAL TYPE ONE ACTION, THEREFORE REQUIRING THE PREPARATION OF, UM, THE AFOREMENTIONED DRAFT NEGATIVE DECLARATION OR SECRET DETERMINATION.
SO THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKAGES.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT DOCUMENT, I'M HAPPY TO RESPOND.
OTHERWISE, UH, THE BOARD WOULD CONSIDER VOTING FIRST TO CLASSIFY THE PROPOSED ACTION AS A LOCAL TYPE ONE ACTION AS MENTIONED, AND THEN TO CONSIDER ADOPTING THE DRAFT SEEKER DETERMINATION OR NEGATIVE DECLARATION IN THIS INSTANCE.
FURTHER, THE BOARD HAS A DECISION ON THE WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT.
UM, AND I CAN, AFTER, UH, CONSIDERATION OF THE SEEKER, I WILL GO INTO CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE DRAFT DECISION.
UM, SO THEN LET'S TAKE FIRST, UH, THE, THE FIRST TWO ITEMS BEFORE WE GO INTO THE DRAFT DECISION.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS BEING CLASSIFIED AS A LOCAL TYPE ONE ACTION? NO.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED ACTION AS A LOCAL TYPE ONE.
UM, SIMILARLY, UH, WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SECRET DETERMINATION? NO.
THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ISSUING A SECRET DETERMINATION ON THE PROPOSED ACTION AS DISTRIBUTED.
MR. PILLINGER? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UM, SO IN TERMS OF THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT, UH, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH ANY, UH, SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS OR ANYTHING, UM, UNIQUE TO THIS DRAFT DECISION? YES.
SO THE BOARD HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ON THIS PROJECT OVER THE COURSE OF THE WORK SESSION, UH, WORK SESSIONS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE'VE ADDED CERTAIN CONDITION CONDITIONS FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
ON PAGE NUMBER SIX, THERE IS ONE SITE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT, UH, AND IT'S LISTED AS CONDITION 5.1, INDICATING THAT IF DEEMED APPLICABLE BY THE TOWN ENGINEER, THE APPLICANT SHALL APPLY FOR AND OBTAIN A WATERCOURSE PROTECTION PERMIT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER TWO 70 OF THE TOWN CODE PRIOR TO FILING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.
SO THAT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT.
UM, FURTHER ON THE SAME PAGE, SECTION EIGHT, UNDER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, I'LL JUST RECITE CONDITIONS 8.1 THROUGH 8.4.
PRIOR TO SUBMISSION OF THE BUILDING PERMIT, THE APPLICANT MUST SUBMIT TO THE TOWN ENGINEER FOR A PERMIT UNDER CHAPTER 2 48 OF THE TOWN CODE ENTITLED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, 8.2.
PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT, THE APPLICANT SHALL BE
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REQUIRED TO EXECUTE AND RECORD A STORMWATER MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY CLERK DIVISION OF LAND RECORDS, IF DEEMED NECESSARY BY THE TOWN ENGINEER.SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY THE TOWN ENGINEER AND TOWN ATTORNEY.
THERE'S AN EXTRA COMMA IN THERE AFTER TOWN ATTORNEY, SO WE'LL UPDATE THAT.
ALL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS ARE TO BE INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS LISTED IN SECTION ONE OF THIS APPROVAL, OR AS MODIFIED AT THE DIRECTION OF THE TOWN ENGINEER AND 8.4.
THE TOWN ENGINEER SHALL CONFIRM THAT THE APPLICANT'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO HANDLE A 50 YEAR STORM EVENT AS REPRESENTED BY THE PROJECT TEAM TO THE PLANNING.
OTHERWISE, THE CONDITIONS ARE PRETTY STANDARD FOR A, UH, WEAPON AND LAW COURSE PERMIT DECISION.
WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE DRAFT DECISION? I, MR. PILLINGER? I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
UH, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE FOR CLEANING THE OIL AND WATER SEPARATORS, UH, BE ESTABLISHED.
I ASSUME THAT THE, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CALLED, UH, UH, MOD THERE I CAN SPEAK ENGLISH MAINTENANCE CALLED FOR IN PARAGRAPH EIGHT, UH, PARALLELS WHAT THE, UH, CONSERVATION BOARD WAS REFERRING TO.
AND WOULD ALSO BE SOMETHING THAT'S INCLUDED WITHIN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CONTROL PERMIT THAT'S ISSUED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE DRAFT DECISION ONE CLARIFI MR. CLARIFICATION, THE ADDRESS ON THE, UH, CCRA, THE TYPE ONE DOCUMENT IS 1 0 2 FAIRVIEW DRIVE, AND THEN ON THIS APPROVAL IN THE RAY LINE, IT SAYS FIVE SEVEN OH, THAT'S HIS ADDRESS.
THAT'S THE ATTORNEY'S ADDRESS.
5 75, I GUESS? UH, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S THE ARCHITECT'S ADDRESS.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT BUT THE, ALRIGHT, SO THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE DOES THAT SHOW UP ON THE, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY? ON THE APPROVAL, ON THE APPROVAL LETTER, IS IT, IS IT, YOU KNOW, THE DRAFT APPROVAL? YEAH, SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS, UH, AND WE TYPICALLY DO, SO IT, IT IS UP ON THE HEADER, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS ON PAGE NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS BEHIND THE, UH, THE COVER WHERE WE SAY CASE NUMBER PB TWENTY FIVE THIRTY SEVEN, WE'LL JUST CALL OUT.
ACP TWO AND, AND PROVIDE THE ADDRESS.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THE DRAFT DECISION? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AS AMENDED.
MR. PILLINGER? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, NEXT UP, AS I MENTIONED, WE'LL TAKE THIS OUT OF ORDER.
SO NEXT UP WE WILL HAVE, UH, TB 26 0 3 PB 2318, LOOP ROLLED LOOP ROLLED HOLDINGS, LLC, UH, WHICH IS THE REGENERON LOGISTICS BUILDING AT 5 55 SAND RIVER ROAD, POOT TERRY TOWN.
UH, THIS IS ON REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A TOWN BOARD AMENDED SITE PLAN, UH, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT, AN AMENDMENT TO THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND A WETLAND WATER COURTS PERMIT.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M AN ASSOCIATE AT DELBELLO DANELLA AND WINEGARTEN WISE AND WHITAKER HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF REGENERON PHARMACEUTICALS AND ITS APPLICATION BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, WITH ME THIS EVENING IS STEVE SPINA FROM JMC AND TED JESSON AND KIMBERLY MARTIN FROM REGENERON.
AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, UH, THIS APPLICATION IS TO AMEND THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS THAT WERE GRANTED IN 2024 TO PERMIT A MUCH SMALLER DEVELOPMENT OF A 37,500 SQUARE FOOT R AND D LOGISTICS BUILDING AT THE PROPERTY TOGETHER WITH RELATED PARKING AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, SINCE WE LAST MET WITH YOU ON JUNE 17TH, WE HAVE MADE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROJECT.
IN RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENTS, UH, STEVE WILL REVIEW THE REVISED PLANS WITH YOU.
UM, BUT JUST TO QUICKLY BRIEF YOU, WE HAVE READJUSTED THE
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DRIVEWAY, UH, FROM SAWMILL RIVER ROAD TO THE BUILDING, AND WE ARE PROPOSING TO RESTORE A PORTION OF THAT SOUTHERN PARKING AREA.UM, HOWEVER, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT, THAT BE DELAYED, UM, UNTIL COMPLETION OF THE LOOP ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DO NEED THAT PARKING AREA FOR CONTRACTOR PARKING WHILE THOSE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS ARE ONGOING.
UM, SO WE WILL BE AMENDING OUR REQUEST TO THE TOWN BOARD, BUT WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK.
UM, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOU ISSUING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD AND, UH, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO STEVE TO WALK YOU THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION.
UM, I HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP THERE AND I'LL JUST TAKE YOU THROUGH THE CHANGES SINCE, UH, WE MET WITH THE BOARD ON JUNE 17TH.
UM, SO WHAT WE LAST SORT OF LEFT OFF WAS, UM, UH, THIS SHOWS AN ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2024, WHICH IS THE, UH, THE RED SORT OF HATCHING AREAS.
AND THEN WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED IS THE BLUE OR, OR THE PURPLE COLOR.
UM, SO YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THE CHANGES.
UH, WHAT WE DISCUSSED LAST TIME WAS HOW, UH, THE SITE PLAN, UH, HAS BEEN SORT OF SCALED DOWN QUITE A BIT.
UM, STILL COMPLIES WITH ALL RESPECTS OF THE ZONING CODE, BUT WE DID REDUCE THE BUILDING HEIGHT, FOOTPRINT, UH, WETLAND BUFFER DISTURBANCE, TREE REMOVAL, UH, NEEDS ALONG THE PERIMETER.
UH, ACTUALLY LESS IMPERVIOUS AREA THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
UM, THERE'S A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT THAT'S THERE NOW.
UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ESSENTIALLY REDESIGNED THE SITE PLAN AND, UM, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE, THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT WE DID, UM, YOU KNOW, MOST NOTABLY, I GUESS WHEN LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE IS, UH, THE SOUTHERN END OF THE, THE, THE EXISTING TEMPORARY PARKING LOT NUMBER 10.
AND WHAT WE WERE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSING WAS TO KEEP THAT PARKING LOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS A VALUABLE ASSET, BUT, UM, WE HEARD THE BOARD'S COMMENTS, WE WENT BACK AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE JUST ASKING TO KEEP IT UNTIL THE END OF THE CAMPUS PROJECTS, WHICH IS WHAT THE ORIGINAL INTENT ALWAYS WAS FOR THAT PARKING LOT.
IT IS, IT WAS APPROVED AS A TEMPORARY LOT AND IT WILL BE A TEMPORARY LOT, IT WILL BE REMOVED, BUT WE DO NEED A LITTLE EXTENSION ON HOW LONG IT WILL BE SITTING THERE BECAUSE THE REST OF THE PROJECT THAT THE LARGE LOOP ROAD PROJECT IS STILL UNDERWAY.
UM, SO THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHANGE.
AND THEN WE'LL GET THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE OTHER, UH, ITEMS AS WELL ON THE PLAN.
AND, UH, I COULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH, UH, THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD AND PRESENTED, UH, PREVIOUSLY IN JUNE.
SO, UH, IF YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT SIDE, WHAT IT SHOWS IS IF THE BUILDING AREA IS, IS SORT OF THE PURPLE AREA, BUT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS A BREAKDOWN OF PARKING.
SO THE PURPLE IS ALL THE PARKING AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, THE YELLOW ON THE SOUTH END IS ALL THE EXISTING PARKING LOT, 10 PARKING, UM, THAT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP UNTIL THE END OF THE LOOP ROAD PROJECT.
AND THEN MOVING NORTH NORTHBOUND, UH, WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE IS, UH, LIKE A LIGHT GREEN COLOR, WHICH IS THE EXISTING PARKING, UH, TO, UH, REMAIN, UH, THAT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP.
IT'S, UH, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES FOR GROWTH, MAYBE FOR SOME FLEET VEHICLES.
IT'S A LITTLE ABOVE WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE ZONING.
UM, AND THEN THE ZONING REQUIREMENT TO BUILD THIS BUILDING WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE PURPLE PARKING LOT AND OR THE PURPLE AREA.
AND THEN THAT LITTLE RED PIECE, UH, JUST NORTH OF THE LIGHT GREEN, THAT'S 54 PARKING SPACES THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED PER THE ZONING CODE.
UM, SO THE LIGHT GREEN'S, A FEW MORE PARKING SPACES THAT WE LIKE TO KEEP.
UM, IN ADDITION, BECAUSE OF, LIKE I WAS SAYING, MAYBE SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, FLEET VEHICLES, UM, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY BEYOND WHAT THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF THE ZONING CODE IS.
AND THEN WORKING NORTHBOUND ON THIS PLAN.
UM, THE GREEN, THE DARKER GREEN, SORRY, KIND OF NORTHWEST THERE IS THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.
UM, THAT'S ANOTHER TEMPORARY PARKING LOT THAT WAS APPROVED AND BUILT AND HAS BEEN UTILIZED FOR CONTRACTOR PARKING.
UH, ALL THAT GREEN UP THERE IS PROPOSED, WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
UM, AND JUST THAT SORT OF, UH, ROUTE THAT'S IN WHITE CUTTING THROUGH THERE WAS WHAT WE WERE SHOWING AS OUR, UH, PROPOSING AS OUR DRIVEWAY TO GET FROM THE NEW LOGISTICS BUILDING DOWN TO THE CAMPUS FOR THE SMALLER TRUCKS.
IN THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THAT PARKING LOT 14 IS ABOVE THE TWO TIERS OF RETAINING WALLS JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR OWN.
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SO WE, UH, YEAH.UM, I WAS GONNA EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT OF THE PICTURE.
SO THE PICTURE WE THINK, YOU KNOW, UH, SPEAKS A THOUSAND WORDS.
THIS IS A VIEW FROM THE, THE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED PARKING GARAGE, WHICH WE, WE CALL P 19, UH, WHICH IS JUST AT THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THIS PLAN ALL THE WAY UP HERE.
THAT WAS PART OF THE PARCEL D-P-M-P-D PROJECT THAT IS BUILT AND, UH, AND OCCUPIED.
SO THERE'S A PARKING STRUCTURE THERE THAT WAS BUILT.
SO THIS IS LOOKING OUT FROM THAT PARKING STRUCTURE AT THIS, UH, AT THIS PARKING LOT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE TOPOGRAPHY CHALLENGES THAT EXISTED THERE AND WHAT WE DID WITH SOME RETAINING WALLS TO MINIMIZE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF EARTH WORK AND ROCK REMOVAL WHEN THAT PARKING LOT WAS BUILT, UH, BACK IN 2022.
SO WHAT WE'RE, AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PHOTO THAT SORT OF OVERLAYS THE ROUTE AND THE NEW BUILDING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.
SO IT'LL HELP KIND OF SUPERIMPOSE IT OVER THIS EXISTING IMAGE RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT YOU COULD SEE THE, THE TOPOGRAPHICAL CHANGES IN ELEVATION AND, UH, AND THAT LOT 14 IN GREEN IS REALLY KIND OF THIS AREA.
IF YOU CAN, CAN YOU SEE MY LITTLE CURSOR? MM-HMM
AND THEN, AND THEN IT KIND OF COMES DOWN AND THEN THERE'S THE, THE CUT THROUGH THERE WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THIS SORT OF LIGHT RED AREA IS, UH, OBVIOUSLY EXISTING PARKING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP, UH, BEYOND THE TEMPORARY BASIS OF PERMANENT PARKING.
SO IT, IT AMOUNTED, UH, IT'S ABOUT 40 PARKING SPACES THAT, UH, IN PROXIMITY IS CLOSE TO THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
IT'S, UH, AGAIN, A VALUABLE ASSET.
WE'D REALLY LIKE TO KEEP THAT PIECE OF IT.
UH, IT'S HIGHLY UTILIZED RIGHT OFF THE ROADWAY THERE.
SO THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT WE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED TO THE BOARD, AND WE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS, A LOT OF DIALOGUE BACK AND FORTH.
AND WHAT WERE, THERE WAS A FEW MAIN COMMENTS THAT ARE LISTED HERE ON THE RIGHT ON THIS SLIDE.
AND, UH, THE FIRST WAS THAT, UH, THE BOARD WAS CONCERNED, UH, THAT THE BUILDING AND PARKING LOT ARE CLOSE TO THE WETLAND BUFFER, UH, THAT'S THERE.
SO THIS, UH, THIS GRAY DASH LINE HERE ALONG THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AREA IS THE WETLAND BUFFER, A HUNDRED FOOT BUFFER.
UH, THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT FROM 2024 WAS CLOSER TO THAT BUFFER, MORE DISTURBANCE TOWARDS THE BUFFER, MORE IMPERVIOUS AREA.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS STILL THAT, UH, THIS, UH, THE PREVIOUS ROUTE THAT WE HAD COMING UP, COMING DOWN HERE AND HEADING SORT OF MORE SOUTH AND THEN TURNING, WAS STILL CLOSE TO THAT BUFFER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S EXISTING.
IT'S, IT'S BUILT, BUT IT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPOSED TO BE TEMPORARY.
SO WE, WE HEARD THE COMMENTS AND WE'RE TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN THE ROUTE OUT AND PULL THE DRIVEWAY AWAY FROM THE BUFFER TO PROVIDE MORE OF, MORE OF THAT, UH, GREEN SPACE IN THERE.
SO YOU COULD SEE, UH, ON THE NORTH END OF THE PROJECT, UH, HERE, THERE'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF RE REALIGNMENT THERE THAT WE THINK NICELY, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSES THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS.
AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO DO IS, UH, MORE OF A, MORE OF A DIAGONAL THROUGH THIS PIECE OF THE TWO TIERED RETAINING WALLS THAT WERE IN THAT PHOTO.
SO TO, UH, MAYBE NOT HAVE 90 DEGREE TURNS A LITTLE BIT BETTER OF A TURN.
UH, WE LIKE THE TURNS IN TERMS OF SLOWING THE VEHICLES DOWN, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTOOD THE, THE BOARD'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE ROUTE.
SO WE THINK THIS, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHTENS IT UP A LITTLE BIT, UH, PULLS THE IMPERVIOUS AREA AWAY FROM AWAY FROM THAT WETLAND BUFFER.
UM, BUT IT DOES STILL PROPOSE TO KEEP THOSE TWO RETAINING WALLS THAT WERE IN THAT PICTURE.
THOSE ARE SHOWN KIND OF IN THE LIGHT, LIGHT BLUE LINE WORK HERE.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH WHAT WE BUILT AND, AND IT'S A MASSIVE, UH, PIECE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, PROVIDES A LOT OF VALUE.
WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
SO WE FEEL LIKE WE MASSAGE THAT A LITTLE BIT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
UM, AND THEN I'LL WORK SOUTHBOUND AND THEN WE CAN, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
UH, THE PURPLE AREA PRETTY MUCH STAYED THE SAME.
UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE ANYTHING THERE.
THAT'S THE EXIST, THAT'S THE PROPOSED PARKING AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, WE HAD A MEETING, UH, WITH, UH, AARON AND JOHN CANNING, THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC, UH, ENGINEER.
THEY WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN FAVOR OF WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING HERE.
UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT, UH, MR. CANNING HAD, UH, WAS JUST TO ELIMINATE A COUPLE OF THE PARKING SPACES RIGHT HERE, JUST SOUTH OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE, UM, JUST TO AVOID, UH, POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OF PARKED VEHICLES, BACKING OUT INTO MAYBE A CAR THAT WAS AT THE STOP BAR, UH, AT THE STOP SIGN HERE, WAITING TO MAKE A TURN.
SO, UH, WHAT IT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS THAT LITTLE BLOB OF RED SPACES THAT WE DO NEED TO STAY THE EXISTING SPACES TO COMPLY WITH ZONING.
UH, IT JUST GETS, UH, SHIFTED DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN THE GREEN AREA THAT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND THE ZONING
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REQUIREMENT.UH, WE LOST TWO PARKING SPACES THERE.
THEY'RE ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, BUT WE JUST WOULD, AGAIN, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA FLEXIBILITY, UH, FOR SNOW STORAGE, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE STORAGE, FLEET VEHICLES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN CONTINUING FARTHER SOUTH, UH, IS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT'S THERE NOW FOR THIS TEMPORARY PARKING LOT OUT TO OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD.
AND THEN THE YELLOW AGAIN, IS THAT, UH, LOT 10 PARKING THAT WE WERE SAYING.
UH, WE'D LIKE TO, RIGHT NOW, WE THINK IT WOULD BE, UH, 2032 WHEN LOOP ROAD WOULD BE FINISHED.
UM, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE.
IT'S A, OBVIOUSLY A HUGE PROJECT, SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WELL UNDERWAY.
BUILDINGS ARE, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING TOPPED OFF.
UM, A LOT OF SITE WORK IS FINISHED, BUT, UH, THE CONTRACTORS DO USE THAT LOT EVERY DAY.
UM, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT, UH, JUST TO THE COMPLETION OF THAT PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE SCREENING OF THAT PARKING LOT.
I THINK THEY WERE MOSTLY GEARED TOWARDS, IF YOU KEEP IT FOREVER, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT IT FOREVER.
SO NUMBER ONE, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO KEEP IT FOREVER ANYMORE.
AND, UH, NUMBER TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS SOME LANDSCAPING PROPOSED ON THE FRINGES OF IT WHERE WE CAN, BUT ONE THING WE WANTED TO NOTE WAS, UM, THERE ARE, UH, THERE'S, UM, UH, EASEMENTS HERE THAT, UH, PREVENT THE, THE ABILITY TO PLANT TREES BETWEEN THE ROAD AND THE PARKING LOT.
THERE'S AN UNDERGROUND TOWN WATER MAIN THAT CUTS THROUGH THE SITE AND, UH, VERIZON FIBER OPTIC LINE.
SO WE CAN'T PLANT ANYTHING IN THOSE EASEMENTS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, THE EASEMENT LINES GO RIGHT UP TO THE CURB THAT'S EXISTING FOR THAT PARKING LOT.
SO WE'RE PROPOSING SOME TREES IN THE AREA WHEREVER WE CAN FIT THEM.
UM, AND THERE WAS VEGETATION ALONG THE ROADWAY THAT I GUESS WAS CUT DOWN BY MAYBE THE HIGHWAY DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT HAPPENED TO IT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF, IT WASN'T GOOD, BUT IT WAS OVERGROWN AND IT WAS GREEN, UH, THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THERE ANYMORE.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE, THE MAIN CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE PLAN.
UM, AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE, WHICH I KIND OF ALREADY EXPLAINED.
THAT'S THE RED ROUTE THROUGH LOT 14, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
AND THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT VEHICLES WOULD BE ABLE TO CUT THROUGH FROM OLD SAW MILL ROVER ROAD INTO THE SITE.
AND THIS LITTLE BOX DOWN HERE ON THE BOTTOM IS A PROPOSED, UH, VEHICLE LIFT GATE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO YOU WOULD NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, A CARD OR, UH, UH, YOUR LICENSE PLATE WOULD BE READ BY A CAMERA IN ORDER TO OPEN UP THE GATES.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT AUTHORIZED, THERE'S AN INTERCOM THERE THAT YOU WOULD'VE TO CALL AND TRY TO GET PERMISSION, UH, FROM SECURITY TO GET DOWN THERE.
SO YOU, THERE WOULDN'T BE VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THAT ROUTE THAT WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.
SO I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER BENEFIT OF, YOU KNOW, THE ROUTE SHOULD BE SAFER BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING IT USE IT ALL THE TIME AND KNOW THE TURNS.
CAN I ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THAT? SO IN, IN THIS, THIS, I'LL CALL IT ACCESSORY ENTRANCE, UM, OR ALTERNATE ENTRANCE, HOW MANY VEHICLES WOULD YOU IMAGINE POTENTIALLY USING THAT? YOU KNOW, IS THERE THE RISK FOR, FOR BACKUP ON THE, IS THAT SOME RIVER ROAD OLD, OLD, OLD, SOME RIVER ROAD? OH.
LIKE IF, LIKE, IF A CAR WAS WAITING TO GET THROUGH AND GET THROUGH YEAH.
LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S INTERCOM IF SOMEONE'S AT THE INTERCOM AND ANOTHER VEHICLE IS, IS STAGING OR TWO VEHICLES OR STAGING BEHIND IT, RIGHT? UH, NO.
SO IT, IT WOULDN'T BE, IT WOULDN'T BE A LOT.
UM, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A FEW VEHICLES, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY HAVE ON CAMPUS NOW.
THEY HAVE SOME OF THOSE LIFT GATES IN THE PARKING GARAGE JUST TO GET IN AND OUT AND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SOMEBODY DROPPED THEIR CARD UNDER THEIR SEAT OR THEY COULDN'T GET THROUGH THE GATE.
AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF CARS JUST HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY LU THEM THROUGH.
BUT IT'S, IT'S PRETTY SELDOM THAT, THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I KNOW, UH, I KNOW JOHN CANNINGS HERE WITH US, SO WHEN WHEN WE GET TO HIM, I'LL, WE'LL ASK HIM TO OPEN ON THAT.
I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH WITH HIM AND AARON AND GREAT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT MEETING WITH THEM WAS TO KIND OF ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE GET A GOOD FEELING THAT WE WERE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION BEFORE WE EVEN GOT TO YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW? OF COURSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT WAS THE, THE MAIN GOAL THERE.
UM, SO YEAH, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE ROUTE THERE, UM, AS, AS EXPLAINED LAST TIME, THAT ROUTE, THE INTENT THERE IS FOR, UH, SMALL VEHICLES, PASSENGER CARS, BOX TRUCKS, FLEET VEHICLES, NOT TRACTOR TRAILERS.
IT IS SIZED FOR A FIRE TRUCK FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES, BUT YOU KNOW, NOT, YOU KNOW, LARGE 18 WHEELERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY COULD MAKE THE TURNS, BUT THEY MIGHT JUMP OVER A CURB OR DRIVE OVER THE GRASS.
BUT THAT IS NOT THE KIND OF VEHICLES THAT WOULD GO THERE.
THE, THE, THE OB THE OBJECT HERE IS THAT THOSE VEHICLES GO TO THE LOADING AREA OF THIS BUILDING AND LEAVE THEIR DELIVERIES.
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ARE REPACKAGED AND DISTRIBUTED IN SMALLER VANS AND TRUCKS THROUGHOUT THE CAMPUS TO, AGAIN, KEEP THE LARGE TRUCK TRAFFIC OFF THE CAMPUS OFF OF OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD, KEEP IT ON ROUTE NINE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LARGE TRUCK CORRIDOR.UH, SO THIS IS THAT IMAGE THAT, UH, WE SHOWED BEFORE, BUT NOW YOU SEE THE ROUTE, UM, AS IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF ON AN ANGLE THERE, BUT YOU SEE THE ROUTE AS IT WOULD CUT THROUGH.
UH, WHAT IS AN EXISTING PARKING LOT ON THE TOP HERE? SO THIS IS A RENDERING OR IS THIS A LIVE PHOTO? IT'S, WELL, IT'S A LIVE PHOTO AND THEN WE JUST DREW THIS SHAPE ON THERE, WHICH WE TRIED OUR BEST TO, UH, DRAW THE BUILDING TO ITS CORRECT HEIGHT USING SCALED THINGS LIKE LIGHT POLES AND STUFF IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME FIELD MEASUREMENTS, TRIANGULATING SOME THINGS TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE GOT THE CORNERS CORRECT 'CAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A REAL HELPFUL ILLUSTRATION JUST TO SEE THE MASSIVE SIZE OF THE WALLS AND THE, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE STAIRS AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT AND THEN HOW, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA TRAVERSE THROUGH THAT.
UM, BUT THE NEW PLAN WOULDN'T HAVE THE PARKING ON THE, ON THE TOP PART, THIS PART HERE.
THERE WOULDN'T BE PARKING HERE.
IT WOULD JUST BE A DRIVEWAY WITH GRASS ON BOTH SIDES AND LANDSCAPING IN CONNECTION WITH THE RESTORATION.
WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT PART OUT.
UH, THE, THE UPPER PART OF LOT 14, THE, THE LARGE, UH, IF I GO BACK THIS LARGE GREEN AREA HERE AND THIS AREA HERE WOULD ALL BE RESTORED.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVED PLANS FOR THIS, THIS AREA, WE HAD FULL RESTORATION DRAWINGS THAT, UH, WERE, WERE DESIGNED BUT CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE.
AND THE IDEA WAS, YOU KNOW, REGRADE THE AREA TO HAVE MORE NATURAL LOOKING TOPOGRAPHY.
DON'T JUST KEEP THE GRADING OF A PARKING LOT AND PUT GRASS ON IT, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT A LITTLE UNDULATING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND THEN TREES, SHRUBS, UH, MEADOW GRASSES, UH, ALL OF WHICH WILL WORK CLOSELY, YOU KNOW, UH, WITH, WITH AARON ON, ON THAT.
AS FAR AS THE TRIANGLE AREAS, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA JUST BE GRASS.
MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIT A FEW THINGS IN THERE THAT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD SURVIVE IN KIND OF, OF A MORE THINNER, UH, AREA.
'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE CHANGING THE TOPOGRAPHY THERE.
IT WOULD JUST BE STRIP PAVEMENT, STRIP THE BASE, PUT TOPSOIL DOWN, PLANT GRASS, MAYBE SOME VERY SMALL SHRUBS REALLY WOULD BE ALL YOU WOULD DO THERE.
'CAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY CHANGE THE TOPOGRAPHY THERE.
'CAUSE THE WALLS AND THE GUIDE RAILS AND THE FENCE, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN PLACE, THE LIGHTS.
SO SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REVEGETATION AND LANDSCAPING BACK INTO TEMP LOT 14, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE RESTORATION WOULD BE IN OR AROUND 2032 WITH RESPECT TO TEMP LOT 10? WOULD IT BE SOMETHING SIMILAR WHERE IT'S RE-LANDSCAPED WITH VEGETATION TREES, YOU KNOW, LAYERED EFFECT, OR IS IT NOT? NO, WE WOULD, UH, THE, THE APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR LOT 10 ALSO HAD A RESTORATION DRAWING THAT SHOWED FUTURE TOPOGRAPHY.
UH, AGAIN, NOT JUST KEEPING A PARKING LOT WITH A STRAIGHT PLANER SURFACE, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF UNDULATION, UM, BRINGING BACK MORE OF A NATURAL LOOK TO IT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANNED TREE PLANTING CLUSTERS, MASSES, UM, AGAIN, THAT WE'LL WORK CLOSELY WITH YOU GUYS ON TO, YOU KNOW, LOCATE WHERE YOU THINK IS THE BEST, UH, YOU KNOW, NATURAL LOOK FROM THE ROADWAY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT YEAH, THE IDEA WAS TO RESTORE IT BACK TO WHAT IT WAS OR REALLY BETTER THAN WHAT IT WAS.
'CAUSE WHAT IT WAS WAS NOT REALLY, IT WAS, IT WAS A GRAVEL DOT LAY DOWN AREA FOR A WHILE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MAYBE INVASIVE SPECIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, THAT WAS MORE FOR THE, THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC.
I, I KNEW, UM, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TEMP PLOT 10, I THINK IT'S ON THE PLAN, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THE EXISTING CURB CUT THAT SERVICES TEMP LOT 10 IN THE FUTURE CONDITION WOULD BE ELIMINATED BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE NEW CURB CUT GOING IN PLAN NORTH IS, IS THAT ACCURATE? RIGHT.
LET ME, LET ME, AND IF, AND IF THAT IS ACCURATE, WOULD THERE BE A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE YOU HAVE TWO CURB CUTS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN LET'S SAY 2027 AND 20 20, 20 32? UH, WELL, SO THIS, I'M JUST ZOOMING, UH, AM I STILL SHARING? NO, SORRY, I WAS SHARING THE, OR WOULD IT BE DECOMMISSIONED AT, UH, NO.
SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD WANT TO KEEP THE TWO DRIVEWAYS, UH, THAT, THAT EXISTING
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DRIVEWAY AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE PARKING LOT.AND THEN THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD GET REMOVED WITH THE PARKING LOT.
UH, SORRY, I WAS GONNA SHOW YOU THE PLAN, UM, SCREEN.
SO THIS IS THE SUBMITTED PLAN, SO, RIGHT.
SO WHAT AARON'S SAYING IS WE'D HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS EXISTING DRIVEWAY WOULD BE IN PLACE AND UTILIZED FOR THE PARKING LOT AND EVEN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TO BUILD, FOR BUILDING MM-HMM
AND THEN AT SOME POINT DURING THAT CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BUILD THIS PERMANENT DRIVEWAY AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TWO DRIVEWAYS OPEN.
OBVIOUSLY WE'D HAVE TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE DOT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PERMIT FOR THE ONE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
WE STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT TO THEM AFTER WE'RE DONE HERE TO GET THE PERMIT FOR THE NEW DRIVEWAY ANYWAY.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THEM AS WELL.
UM, AND THE IDEA WOULD BE TO, AGAIN, TRY TO SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, IF THE YELLOW AREA IS A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR PARKING AREA, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF ALL THE CONTRACTORS COULD JUST LEAVE AND COME IN THAT DRIVEWAY AND JUST STAY DOWN THERE RATHER THAN MINGLE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE LOGISTICS BUILDING.
UM, IT WOULD BE BETTER, WE THINK ALSO, 'CAUSE THE CONTRACTORS ARE ALREADY USING THAT DRIVEWAY NOW AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS.
THEY'RE JUST FAMILIAR WITH WHERE IT IS, THE TURNS, ET CETERA.
SO JUST FAMILIARITY AGAIN, UH, WITH THAT DRIVEWAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO.
BUT BEFORE I, UH, ASK THE BOARD FOR QUESTIONS, I JUST DO JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, UH, HEARING THE COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD LAST, LAST MEETING.
AND, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, THE REVISIONS AND UPDATES THAT, THAT THIS PLAN, UM, HAS INCORPORATED.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO JOIN IN WITH YOUR COMMENT THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR HEARING, WHAT WE SAID AND YOUR EFFORTS TO MEET OUR CONCERNS.
UM, MR. WEINBERG, JUST, UH, TO CLARIFY ON LOT 10, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME FOR RESTORING THAT? I GUESS IT'S, OH, LIKE HOW LONG MIGHT IT TAKE TO DO THE WORK TO LOOP, I GUESS THE LOOP ROAD WORK? OH, SO LOOP ROAD, UH, THE WHOLE PROJECT IS SCHEDULED TO BE FINISHED BY 2032 MM-HMM
SO THAT THAT'S WHEN IT STAYS ON SCHEDULE AND WHEN THAT LOT WOULD BE RESTORED.
SO THAT'S, UH, AND ARE YOU REMOVING THE, AT THAT POINT, THE ENTRANCE THERE, THIS DRIVEWAY WOULD GO AWAY? YES.
THAT THAT WOULD, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY, WOULD THE CONTRACTOR'S LOSING OUT USE NOW? RIGHT.
WELL, 'CAUSE THE LOT WOULD GO AWAY WITH THE DRIVEWAY.
SO, SO PART OF THE REASON I, I WAS KIND OF FUMBLING TO SHOW YOU THE DRAWING THAT WE SUBMITTED WAS BASICALLY WHAT THIS WILL LOOK LIKE IS THE YELLOW AND THIS DRIVEWAY WILL BE GONE.
IT'LL BE, YOU KNOW, GREEN LANDSCAPING.
AND WHAT WE'LL END UP DOING IS PROBABLY JUST PUTTING A CURB HERE, LIKE A DEAD END.
AGAIN, THESE ARE GONNA BE MAYBE SOME FLEET VEHICLES, SNOW STORAGE AREA FOR PILING SNOW, YOU KNOW, SO IT'LL JUST KIND OF BE AN OVERFLOW AREA.
SO IT WOULD BE A LITTLE DEAD END THAT WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, WOULD LOOK OUT INTO WHAT'S GONNA BE RESTORED.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AS, AS THE SITE MOVES NORTH, THOSE EASEMENTS I TALKED ABOUT THAT KIND OF STRADDLE THE WHOLE PROPERTY LINE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SLIVER OF LAND THAT STARTS TO OPEN UP BETWEEN THE END OF THE EASEMENT AND THE, THE EXISTING CURB MM-HMM
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PUT SOME TREES WHERE WE CAN PUT 'EM, SO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE SOME, UH, SCREENING THERE.
IS THAT EASEMENT EXTEND AS YOU GO SOUTH ON SOME OVER ROAD? YES.
IT'S A GAS STATION, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA.
NOW IT GOES PAST THE GAS STATION ALL THE WAY TO WHERE THE, UH, GRANGER IS AND BEYOND THAT, SO THE EASEMENT.
SO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING THERE WITH TREES.
SO I, SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
SO, I MEAN, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW EASEMENTS WORK CAN MAYBE, MAYBE FIRST DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY MCGON CAN, CAN WEIGH IN, UM, YOU KNOW, DOES THE EASEMENT SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT, THAT THERE CAN'T BE VEGETATION ON THE EASEMENT? OR IS THAT, IS THAT NORMALLY HOW EASEMENTS WOULD OPERATE? SO MOST EASEMENTS, YOU CAN PLANT TREES AND BUSHES AS LONG AS YOU'RE NOT IMPEDING THE EASEMENT AND WHAT'S UNDERNEATH IT.
SO LIKE, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT A STRUCTURE OVER IT GENERALLY, BUT, AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE EASEMENT OR IF IT'S JUST A NOTATION ON THE PLAT THAT SHOWS THE EASEMENT.
I THINK THERE'S A FORMAL EASEMENT FOR THE WATER MAIN.
SO WE'VE SEEN THE, I, I BELIEVE WE'VE SEEN THE EASEMENT FROM THE, IT'S A TOWN WATER MAIN EASEMENT.
I BELIEVE WE'VE, UH, SEEN THAT AND WE DID ASK THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS.
AND THERE IS NOTHING IN IT THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T PLANT TREES, BUT IT DEFINITELY SAYS NO STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO I GUESS IF WE WERE ABLE, IF, IF WE WERE
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ABLE TO GET CLARIFICATION FROM THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD THERE, WOULD, WOULD THERE BE, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO MAYBE DOING MORE WITHIN THE EASEMENT, I GUESS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE WATER MAIN DID NEED TO BE ACCESSED, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DISTURBED? UH, I THINK SO.UM, BUT KNOWING UTILITY COMPANIES AND TOWN WATER, UH, SUPERINTENDENTS, THEY USUALLY WOULD NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH A TREE THAT WILL END UP GETTING PRETTY BIG WHEN THERE'S A WATER.
I THINK A TREE IS DIFFERENT THAN LIKE SOME SHRUB S OR SHRUBS.
MAYBE SHRUBS IS PROBABLY MORE OF A GOOD SOLUTION.
LIKE SOMETHING THAT STILL GROWS, YOU KNOW, 6, 8, 10 FEET.
BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE A HUGE ROOT ZONE AND A MASS THAT COULD EXACTLY, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORRY.
WOULD IT GET DOWN AND EXACTLY.
CAUSE A PROBLEM OR JUST BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO REMOVE IF THERE EVER WAS LIKE A NEED TO FIX OR REPLACE THE WATER MAIN.
SO THAT'S, DO YOU KNOW HOW DEEP THE WATER MAIN IS THERE? WE DID TEST PI, WE DID TEST PITS.
IT'S BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE FEET DEEP, WHICH IS PRETTY NORMAL.
THAT'S LIKE KIND OF YOUR TYPICAL DEPTH FOR A WATER MAIN TO PREVENT FREEZING.
SOME TREES OVER TIME WOULD PROBABLY GROW ROOTS THAT DEEP, SOME WON'T.
UM, IT'S JUST USUALLY NOT A GOOD IDEA TO PLANT TREES.
YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M, I'M DEFINITELY NOT SUGGESTING TREES, BUT I, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK LIKE SHRUBS WOULD BE, WOULD MAKE SENSE IF THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS WE KNOW WE'RE ABLE TO CONNECT AND THERE COULD BE SOME AGREEMENT ON SOME, SOME LOW IMPACT SHRUBS.
I THINK THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY.
I THINK BETWEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, REGENERON, WE, WE CAN WORK WITH A, WITH AARON AND GARRETT ON THAT TO TRY TO GREAT.
YOU KNOW, DO THE BEST WE CAN WITHIN, YOU KNOW, GOOD PRACTICE AND REASONING.
SORRY, MR. WEINBERG, I, UH, INTERRUPTED.
DOES REGENERON OWN THAT LAND? THEY SUBJECT TO THE EASEMENT? THEY DO.
SO THE PROPERTY LINE GOES ALL THE WAY OUT TO MAYBE LIKE SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET FROM THE CURB HERE, BUT THEN THE EASEMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE EASEMENTS, SO THEY'RE PUBLIC UTILITIES THROUGH THE PROPERTY IN THOSE PUBLIC EASEMENTS.
SO YES, REGENERON OWNS THE LAND, BUT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT RIGHT.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A NO FLY ZONE.
SO I'M, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE WHEN WE PUT THIS LANDSCAPING IN THERE, WHATEVER IT IS, WILL REGENERON TAKE CARE OF IT AND MAINTAIN IT? OH YEAH.
SO IF IT DIES OR WE PLANT, THEY'LL CLIP IT, YOU KNOW? YES.
IF YOU GO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THEIR CAMPUS, I'M SURE YOU'RE DRIVEN BY IT.
I MEAN, I THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH YEAH.
YOU KNOW, KEEPING UP ON THE LANDSCAPING.
CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF WHAT, WHAT'S THERE? WELL, I KNOW THIS IS SORT OF OUT OF EVERYONE'S SITE, PARTICULARLY WHERE IT'S NEAR THE GAS STATION WHEN YOU GO SOUTH ON SOMO, YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S REALLY LOOKING AT IT, BUT IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE IT LOOK, UH, YOU KNOW, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING, SO SHALL WE SAY.
THE FULL INTENT IS, IS TO HAVE IT LOOK AS GOOD AS WE CAN MAKE IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN GOOD ABOUT KEEPING MAINTENANCE AND MM-HMM
AND THE AESTHETICS LOOKING GOOD ON THE CAMPUS THERE.
I I, WE WOULDN'T EXPECT ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
IF YOU HAVE IT LANDSCAPED AND MAINTAINED, THEN WHOEVER CUT THE VEGETATION IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, MAYBE THEY'LL MAINTAIN THAT MORE RATHER THAN LET IT GROW WITH INVASIVES, YOU KNOW, SO EVERYONE GETS A LOOK AT THE NICE MAINTAINED LANDSCAPING, RIGHT.
BECAUSE WHAT IT IS, THERE'S A FENCE THAT'S THERE, RIGHT.
AND THE FENCE IS, IS EVEN QUITE A BIT ONTO THE PROPERTY, RIGHT.
SO KIND OF WHATEVER HAPPENS OUTSIDE THAT FENCE IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY IT'S KIND OF JUST BEEN, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL ROADWAY SIDE, SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE YOU JUST LET YOU KNOW WHATEVER GROWS, GROWS.
UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, I PRESUMABLY THAT'S WHO CUT IT WOULD BE THE TOWN WATER DEPARTMENT OR VERIZON.
'CAUSE IT'S THEIR EASEMENTS WE'RE THINKING.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
MR. WEINBERG, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO COORDINATE WITH THE TOWN AND MAYBE THE UTILITY TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GONNA BE LANDSCAPING THAT AREA AT SOME POINT AND DON'T JUST SEND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF YOUR TRACTORS IN WITH A BIG CUTTING BLADE MM-HMM
BECAUSE IT, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS ACT VIEWS THERE.
THEY'RE COMING AROUND A CURVE GOING DOWN SOUTH AND I COULD SEE WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHWAY PEOPLE WOULD JUST CUT IT AWAY TO, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THE VISIBILITY.
I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING WITH THEM.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT YOU TO DO THAT.
WE'RE NOT PUTTING, YOU KNOW, 12 VEGETATION THERE AND WE DON'T REALLY WANT, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE SPEND MONEY, YOU KNOW, PLANTING AND MAINTAINING, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO COME ALONG AND JUST CUT IT DOWN.
SO IT'S A STATE ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE STATE THAT'S GONNA COME THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN THE, THE SIDES EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T OWN THAT LAND WELL, SO THEY, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY PORTION.
IF IT'S RIGHT AGAINST THE STREET UP TO THE FENCE, THE, THE NEW LANDSCAPING
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TO BE POTENTIALLY INSTALLED, UM, BY THE OFFICER.THE NEW LANDSCAPING TO BE INSTALLED WOULD BE ON THE APPLICANT'S SIDE OF THE FENCE, RIGHT? IS THAT ACCURATE? RIGHT.
SO THE DARK RED IS BASICALLY THE AREA, SO THANK YOU.
SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED TOO, THERE'S ALSO A SIDEWALK PROPOSED HERE AS PART OF THE LOOP ROAD PROJECT.
THE TOWN, THE TOWN DOT REQUIRED A SIDEWALK TO BE EXTENDED.
SO THERE'S A STRIP BETWEEN THE EXISTING CURB AND THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL.
SO THERE'S A SIDEWALK HERE, AND THEN THIS RED, THE DARK RED STRIP IS BASICALLY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THAT FENCE.
THOSE ARE WHERE THE EASEMENTS ARE.
SO WE WOULDN'T PLANT ANYTHING THERE.
WHAT AARON WAS SAYING WAS RIGHT, WE, ANYTHING WE PLANT WOULD BE IN THIS WHITE STRIP BETWEEN THE RED AND THE GREEN HERE.
THAT'S KIND OF THE ROOM WE HAVE.
AND THEN IT'S NOT EVEN REALLY THAT MUCH.
'CAUSE THE EASEMENT, ONE OF THEM, UH, GOES A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE FENCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE CAN, THE POINT IS, WHEREVER WE COULD FIT IT, WE WOULD.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE THE PARKING LOT AND THEN YOU HAVE THE FENCE AND THE EASEMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CHOOSE SHRUBS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ARE MORE LIKE A, A KILOMETER KIND OF SHRUB THAT GROWS THIN BUT HIGH AND YOU'D PUT A BUNCH TOGETHER, MIX 'EM UP, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I THINK THAT'S WITHIN REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN THIS AREA, I THINK MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
WHERE THIS WOULD STAY PROPO, YOU KNOW, THIS GREEN ONE WOULD STAY FOREVER, PRESUMABLY IF THE BOARD APPROVES, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY SOME, YOU KNOW, SHRUBS THERE WOULD MAKE SENSE.
UH, MS. ROBINSON, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THE SIDEWALKS, UH, PROPOSED.
WOULD THE APPLICANT BE OPEN TO COMPLETING THE SIDEWALKS AT THE COMPLETION OF THE PURPLE AREA BUILDING? UM, AND THEN ALSO EXTENDING IT AROUND TO SOOMO RIVER ROAD BY FIELD CREST DRIVE? UH, OKAY.
SO THE FIRST PART IS, UH, I THINK THE TIMING'S GONNA WORK OUT WHERE THE SIDEWALKS MAY BE INSTALLED JUST AFTER THIS PROJECT.
THEY'RE ALREADY, THE DRAWINGS FOR THOSE ARE ALREADY SUBMITTED TO THE DOT OKAY.
FOR THE ROADWAY WORK, UH, WHICH INVOLVES SOME, UH, UH, RES STRIPING OF THE ROUNDABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, MODIFICATIONS LIKE THAT AND THE SIDEWALK.
SO THAT'S A SEPARATE SET OF ROADWAY DRAWINGS THAT ARE ALREADY INTO THE DOT FOR PERMITS.
SO THAT MAY, THE TIMING MAY WORK OUT WITH THAT BY THE TIME WE GET THE APPROVAL THERE AND BUILD THE SIDEWALK.
UM, CERTAINLY, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL WANT TO PHASE IT SO THAT IT WORKS WITH THE DRIVEWAY HERE.
SO WE DON'T IMPACT A SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, AND THEN HAVE TO, OR INSTALL IT AND THEN REMOVE IT FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA COINCIDE PRETTY CLOSE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE IN POSITION TO GO AHEAD AND INSTALL ANOTHER COUPLE THOUSAND FEET.
DOWN TO THE SOUTH WHERE THE GRANGER IS THAT YES, THAT, UH, THAT AREA, UM, THAT'S KIND OF ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE EVER WERE ASKED TO DO.
I MEAN, WE ARE PROPOSING A LOT OF SIDEWALK, PRETTY MUCH THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE ON OLD SAWMILL RIVER ROAD AND, AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY TO WHERE THE CONED IS BY THE SAWMILL PARKWAY.
UM, SO IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING WE HAD NEVER, EVER BEEN ASKED OR CONSIDERED.
UM, AND I THINK WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO DO THAT.
UM, I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FIRST.
UM, SO IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE GRAPHIC WITH THE, THE, THE LIVE PHOTO WITH THE RENDERING OF THE BUILDING.
SO, SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN, WHEN THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN.
I, I KNOW IN THE LETTER, UH, THAT WE RECEIVED WITH OUR PACKET, THERE WAS THE ENCOURAGEMENT TO STOP BY THE SITE AND, AND SEE THE RETAINING WALL FOR ITSELF.
AND AFTER HAVING SEEN THE RETAINING WALL, I, I CERTAINLY DO APPRECIATE WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'VE STOOD FIRM ON, ON WANTING TO RETAIN IT.
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE, THE SORT OF ACCOMMODATIONS, THE COMPROMISE WHERE WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO REDUCE THE, THE, THE ROADWAY BUT RETAIN THE RETAINING WALL.
UM, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED WHEN I WENT ON THE SITE TO SEE JUST HOW MUCH THE PARKING LOT WA WAS USED.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AT THE RISK OF, YOU KNOW, TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF MY MOUTH SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THE, AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, DISCUSSING THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT.
YOU KNOW, I, I DID OBSERVE QUITE A FEW CARS THAT WERE PARKED, UM, I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, IN NON, NON MARKED PARKING SPACES.
UM, AND SO I WAS CURIOUS, I, I KNOW ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS WE RECEIVED, UH, REFERENCED A, A SHUTTLE.
AND SO I WAS CURIOUS IF YOU CAN JUST SHARE A LITTLE BIT
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OF, OF INSIGHT ON HOW THAT SHUTTLE OPERATES, YOU KNOW, WHAT HOURS, WHAT FREQUENCY, UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THERE ARE, WHAT THE PLAN WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS ARE, ARE RE NATURALIZED, UM, WHILE THERE DOES SEEM TO BE QUITE A BIT OF DEMAND FOR, FOR THE PARKING LOTS, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE THOSE, WHERE THOSE VEHICLES THAT ARE, UM, CURRENTLY BEING PARKED ON THOSE LOTS WHERE THOSE VEHICLES WOULD GO.AND IN THE SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT MEASURES COULD BE TAKEN TO, TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE, UM, FROM PARKING IN, IN NON-DESIGNATED SPOTS.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MY, MY FEAR WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, CAR FIRE OR, OR BATTERY FIRE WITH ELECTRICAL VEHICLES, UM, YOU KNOW, THE WAY I OBSERVED THE PARKING LOT, IT'D BE PRETTY DIFFICULT FOR A FIRETRUCK TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET THROUGH THE ROADWAY.
AND SO ANY, ANY PERSPECTIVE OR, OR INSIGHTS OR THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ON THAT? SURE.
SO REGENERON HAS TAKEN A CLOSE LOOK AT THAT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THERE.
WE BUILT A LOT OF TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS.
UM, NOT JUST THESE, THERE'S ALSO GRAVEL LOTS ELSEWHERE.
UH, THERE WAS LOTS BUILT ON THE MOUNT PLEASANT SIDE AS WELL.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE TIMING, THE IDEA WAS AT SOME POINT IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY REMOVE THIS PARKING LOT IN THE VIEW HERE.
SO YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY NOT HAVE THOSE PARKING SPACES IN THE UPPER PART OF THAT LOT.
UM, AT THE SAME TIME YOU'D HAVE NUMBER ONE, THE EXISTING OTHER TEMPORARY PARKING LOTS THAT ARE BARELY UTILIZED ON THE CAMPUS, OR AT TIMES, MAYBE JUST FOR AN EVENT THEY'RE UTILIZED, BUT THEN NOT ON A DAY TO DAY.
SO YOU'D HAVE SOMETHING THERE.
AND ALSO ON THE LOOP ROAD, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
LIKE, I THINK, I THINK THE AV DOOR MIGHT BE OPEN.
UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS ON THE TIMING IN TERMS OF THE LOOP ROAD PROJECT, UH, THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A PARKING GARAGE COMPLETED SO THAT THE WORKERS WORKING ON LOOP ROAD CAN PARK IN ONE OF THE PARKING GARAGES.
SO THE TIMING MAY WORK OUT, AND THAT'S HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IT.
WE THINK IT WILL, WHERE MAYBE SOME DISPLACED PARKING HERE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE UTILIZED THERE, OR THERE'S A, THERE'S A SURFACE LOT ON LOOP ROAD NOW WHERE THE TRAILERS ARE ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT COULD ALWAYS BE EXPANDED AS WELL.
SO WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOSE THIS PARKING, WHERE'S EVERYBODY GONNA GO? SURE.
YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT THEY HAVE.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT DOES ENFORCEMENT LOOK LIKE? I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE PARKS OUTSIDE OF A DESIGNATED PARKING SPOT, ARE THEY GETTING, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, A WARNING ON THEIR WINDSHIELD? ARE THEY GETTING A STICKER ON THEIR WINDOW? LIKE IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY SORT OF EFFORT TO DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM PARKING IN, IN NON-DESIGNATED SPOTS? UH, YES.
THEY DO HAVE CAMPUS SECURITY, UH, DRIVING AROUND AND THEN THE CONTRACTORS THEMSELVES.
SO THESE ARE A LOT OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS, YOU KNOW, YOUR ELECTRICIANS, PLUMBERS SURE.
AND THEN THERE'S THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR OVERSEEING THE WHOLE PROJECT.
THEY ALSO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY OF, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR SUBS.
SO THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DRIVING AROUND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ISSUE, YOU KNOW, UH, NOTICES.
YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THERE'S, THERE ARE THINGS THAT THEIR PEOPLE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, THEY ARE ENFORCING IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, MAYBE, I'M SORRY, KIM, WE JUST GO TO THE MICROPHONE.
I JUST JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, THAT IF YOU'RE SEEING PEOPLE PARKING IN NON-DESIGNATED SPOTS, THAT'S ON US TO TAKE CARE OF AND WE COMMUNICATE DAILY, REGULARLY OKAY.
AND WE'LL BE SURE TO REINFORCE THAT.
SO I THINK, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS.
UH, AND THEN THE SHUTTLE SY THE SHUTTLE, HOW DOES THAT SHUTTLE WORK? UH, SO THEY HAVE THE INTERNAL CAMPUS SHUTTLE SYSTEM.
UM, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHERE THE STOPS ARE.
I KNOW THERE'S ONE BY THE TRAILER COMPLEX, WHICH IS JUST TO THE LEFT OF THIS PICTURE.
WHERE THE MAIN TRAILERS ARE RIGHT OFF THE ROADWAY PICKS UP WORKERS THAT WOULD GO TO LOOP ROAD AREA.
UM, WE HAVE THE CAMPUS SIDEWALKS ALL THE WAY THAT CONNECT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THIS, UH, PICTURE HERE ALL THE WAY TO LOOP ROAD BUILT.
SO YOU DO SEE A LOT OF THAT AS WELL.
BUT, UH, THERE IS A SHUTTLE TO THE LEFT THERE.
AND THAT SHUTTLE ALSO GOES AROUND THE LOOP, WHICH IS THE, THE, THE ROADWAY ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS PICTURE.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE STOPS ARE.
I THINK THERE'S JUST KIND OF MAYBE SOME TEMPORARY SIGNS SET UP, THINGS LIKE THAT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT GONNA ULTIMATELY BE PERMANENT STOPS.
UM, BUT THERE ARE PERMANENT SHUTTLE STOPS FOR ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL EMPLOYEES OF REGENERON SEPARATE.
ARE, ARE THOSE SEPARATE ON THE SIDE PLAN OR THE, THE SHUTTLE STOPS? SHUTTLE STOPS? UH, NOT ON THE SITE PLAN FOR THE B 18 PROJECT,
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NO.WOULD THE SHUTTLE EXTEND TO TEMP LOT 10 IF IT DOESN'T RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF, WITH LOT 14 AND THE CONTINUATION OF LOT 10, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE EVEN FURTHER FROM THE MAIN CAMPUS.
JUST ONE, JUST WONDERING, EXCUSE ME.
SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SHUTTLES.
THERE'S A REGENERON SHUTTLE FOR REGENERON EMPLOYEES THAT, UH, GO TO THE TRAIN STATION.
UM, AND SO THAT'S ONE SHUTTLE THAT'S NOT FOR ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS.
THE CONSTRUCTION WORKERS HAVE TO EITHER WALK DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY PARK OR THEIR COMPANIES HAVE, UH, SHUTTLES, WE'LL CALL THEM THAT TAKE THEM FROM THIS PARKING AREA OVER TO WHERE THE WORK SITE IS.
SO TWO SEPARATE, UH, SHUTTLES.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NO SIGNAGE.
UH, MS. ROBINSON, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? MM-HMM.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER SIGNAGE, I GUESS SHOULD BE THE QUESTION, RIGHT? WOULD YOU CONSIDER SIGNAGE, UM, WHEN IT BECOMES AN EMERGENCY ROUTE, ACCESS ROUTE TO PREVENT LIKE, PARKING ON THOSE AREAS THAT I THINK WHEN THE SITE VISIT OCCURRED IN THE FUTURE? UH, WELL, WHEN, WHEN THIS IS COMPLETED, UH, YOU KNOW, PRESUMING WE GET THE APPROVAL, I MEAN, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PARKING ANYMORE HERE, SO THAT ALL WOULD GO AWAY.
UM, WHAT YOU'D HAVE WAS JUST THE, WOULD BE THE PARKING WAY BACK HERE BEHIND THE BUILDING.
UM, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH A STRAIGHT AREA TO WALK TO.
AND THEN THERE IS THE SIDEWALK ONCE YOU GET TOWARDS THE BUILDING.
WHAT ABOUT YOUR SHOULDER? EARLIER THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY.
UM, WE DIDN'T THINK SIGNAGE WAS REALLY NEEDED.
UM, WE HADN'T HAD AN ISSUE YET IN TERMS OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS WALKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS INTERNALLY TO SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE.
BECAUSE I KNOW THE, THEY, THEIR SECURITY TEAM IS, YOU KNOW, REALLY ON TOP OF A LOT OF THE OPERATIONS LIKE THAT.
MAYBE WE CAN TALK TO THEM, UH, IF THEY THINK IT'S WARRANTED.
WE, WE DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, WHEN WE WERE OUT AT THE SITE, I WAS OUT THERE WITH A, A BOARD MEMBER AND ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER.
THERE WERE A FEW DOZEN CARS AT LEAST THAT WERE NOT IN STRIPED SPACES IN LOT 14.
SO ALONG, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT IMAGE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE ON THE UPPER TIER IS LIKE A TRAVEL LANE.
AND THEY WERE ALL ALONG THAT CURB EDGE, WHICH REALLY NARROWS THE TRAVEL LANE AND MIGHT NOT PERMIT AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE.
YOU KNOW, AND YOU, AND IT WASN'T JUST ONE RANDOM, IT WAS A ROW OF OKAY.
SO YEAH, LIKE AS KIM WAS SAYING, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH THE TEAM TO ENFORCE THAT IF THAT WAS THE CASE.
I MEAN, YOU COULD SEE IN THIS PICTURE THERE'S ONE CAR THERE.
SO I BELIEVE YOU QUITE, QUITE A DIFFERENT PICTURE.
I'VE SEEN A FEW HERE AND THERE.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, LAZILY PARKING ALONG THE, THE ROAD AND SURE.
PART OF IT TOO IS NOT REALLY ANYONE DRIVES UP THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THERE, LIKE IN THIS PICTURE HERE, THERE'S A, A LITTLE BIT OF A, AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE KIND OF TRYING TO KEEP THIS TRAFFIC DOWN HERE AND THAT TRAFFIC UP THERE, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE, YEAH, WE SAW THE, RIGHT.
SO I, I THINK PART OF IT TOO MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, JUST MORE OF A DEAD END EFFECT.
BUT CERTAINLY WHEN, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE, IF THE DRIVEWAY WAS BUILT THE WAY WE NEED IT WITH THE TRUCK ROUTE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, NO, NOBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO PARK THERE.
I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMED TO US WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE THAT WHILE LOT 10 WAS OPEN, IT WAS SO REMOTE THAT WHY NOT JUST PARK IN THE EASIEST PLACE AVAILABLE KIND OF THING.
I MEAN, IT'S HUMAN NATURE, BUT WE, UH, SIGNAGE OR SOME OTHER ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM MIGHT HELP WITH THAT.
UM, WE DO HAVE JOHN CANNING HERE WITH US, SO I DID WANT TO GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE ANY INSIGHT OR INPUT ON, ON THE REVISED PLANS AND ANY OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR THIS EVENING.
UM, I'D BE LISTENING AND TO GO BACK TO, I, I BELIEVE IT WAS YOUR COMMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UM, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THERE WILL NOT BE A LOT OF CROSS TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE LOGISTICS BUILDING AND LOOP ROAD.
IT'S MORE LIKELY GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF CARS PER MINUTE.
AND IT'S UNLIKELY THAT, UH, THERE WOULD BE BACKUPS AT THE, UH, GATE THAT THEY HAVE UP AT THE TOP.
SO I, I WOULDN'T BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, I DID REVIEW THE MATERIALS PROVIDED AND I'D JUST LIKE TO, I GUESS, DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CLEAR 'CAUSE I'M NOT CLEAR ABOUT IT.
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THE, AND BELLA WISE, WHITAKER AND SOMEBODY ELSE BEGINNING WITH W UM, WINEGARTEN FOR MARK, I FORGOTTEN 'EM.UM, ON PAGE TWO OF THEIR LETTER, UM, THEY TALK ABOUT THE TWO PARKING AREAS, BUT THEY DON'T NUMBER THEM.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS 14, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, I BELIEVE.
AND THEY BASICALLY STATE THAT AS SHOWN IN MORE DETAIL ON THE, THOSE DRAWINGS.
THE APPLICANT HAS RECONFIGURED THE ROADWAY FROM LOOP ROAD THROUGH THE EXISTING TEMPORARY PARKING AREA TO THE PROPOSAL LOGISTICS BUILDING.
AND THEN IT STATES THAT AS PROPOSED, THE REMAINDER OF THE EXISTING TEMPORARY PARKING AREA WILL BE RESTORED UPON CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY AND REMOVAL OF THE PARKING AREA.
THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED AN EXTENSION OF THE APPROVAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD FOR THE CONTINUED USE OF THAT PARKING AREA FOR AN ADDITIONAL FIVE YEARS WHILE CONSTRUCTION AT THE REGENERON CAMPUSES ONGOING.
SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE, UH, REGENERON WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THE PARKING THAT'S SHOWN ABOVE THE RETAINING WALL FOR FIVE MORE YEARS WHILE UH, CONSTRUCTION AT REGENERON IS ONGOING.
IS THAT CORRECT? JOHN? TH THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT THE WAY I READ IT.
DO YOU GUYS HAVE A COPY OF THE LETTER.
I WOULD READ IT, UM, SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTLY, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, UM, CONFUSION.
THE FIRST REFERENCE ON PAGE TWO TO EXISTING TEMPORARY PARKING AREA, I BELIEVE WOULD BE LOT 14.
THE SECOND REFERENCE ON THE FOLLOWING LINE WOULD ALSO BE LOT 14.
AND THEN THE THIRD REFERENCE ON THE FIFTH LINE WITH RESPECT TO CONTINUED USE WOULD BE LOT 10.
IT, IT MIGHT BE, THAT'S ALSO STATED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PARAGRAPH, SO I, I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
SO WE DID SUBMIT, SO THE LOT 14 APPROVALS EXPIRE IN SEPTEMBER.
SO WE SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO THE TOWN BOARD TO EXTEND THOSE LOT 14 APPROVALS SO THAT THAT CAN, WHILE THIS IS BEING, I DON'T, STEVE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE TIMING OF BUILDING THE LOGISTICS BUILDING AND THE DRIVEWAY AND REMOVING THE PARKING, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW WE NEED THAT PARKING.
THE LOGISTICS BUILDING IS NOT CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW.
SO WE SUBMITTED AN EXTENSION FOR FIVE YEARS FOR THAT BECAUSE IT WILL EXPIRE NEXT MONTH IF WE DID NOT SUBMIT AN EXTENSION.
WAS THE EXTENSION APPROVED OR IS IT STILL UNDER CONSIDERATION? WE JUST SUBMITTED IT WHEN WE SUBMITTED THE MATERIALS TO YOU.
SO I BELIEVE GARRETT WAS GOING TO WORK TO GET US ON A WORK SESSION AGENDA WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND HAVE THEM, UM, CONSIDER THIS EXTENSION REQUEST.
IF WOULD THE APPLICANT BE AGREEABLE AND I CAN SPEAK WITH THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT IT, UM, TO MAYBE SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT LIKE THE LESSER OF, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS OR, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION OF THE LOGISTICS BUILDING, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
WE, WE JUST WOULDN'T WANNA SEE A SITUATION WHERE, AND I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD HAPPEN, BUT HEY, WE'RE NOT DECOMMISSIONING LOT 14 BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS FIVE YEAR EXTENSION, EVEN THOUGH THE LOGISTICS BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTED.
I THINK, I MEAN, THAT WOULDN'T ALIGN WITH THE SITE PLAN THAT'S GONNA BE APPROVED.
JUST TO ELIMINATE CONFUSION, I THINK WHAT STEVE WAS JUST SAYING IS THAT, UM, THE DRIVEWAY AND THE RESTORATION OF LOT 14 WOULD OCCUR WHILE WE'RE BUILDING THE LOGISTICS BUILDING.
THERE'S TEMPORARY TRAILER TRAILER PARKING TO THE, TO THE LEFT, THE NORTH OF THAT AREA.
SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF IN THIS HASHED AREA, UM, AND THAT WILL NEED TO BE UTILIZED.
UM, SO I THINK BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER ONE APPROVAL OH, THAT'S PART OF THE FIVE YEAR, IT'S ALL ONE APPROVAL? YES.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S COVERED BY VIRTUE OF IF THIS VERSION OF THE SITE PLAN WERE APPROVED, WE DOES SHOW.
AND WE, UM, WHEN WE SPOKE TO THE COMMISSIONER, WE AGREED THAT THIS WOULD, BECAUSE THE LOT 10 APPROVALS DON'T EXPIRE UNTIL FEBRUARY OF 2027, THAT THIS WOULD COVER EXTENDING THOSE APPROVALS UNTIL LOOP ROAD IS CONSTRUCTED AND THEN RESTORING THAT AREA.
BUT BECAUSE LOT 14 EXPIRES IN SEPTEMBER, WE WANTED TO GET AN EXTENSION REQUEST IN AT THIS TIME.
SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONFUSION.
YES, THAT, THAT CLEARS UP VIDEO.
I HAVE AN ISSUE, I JUST WASN'T SURE THAT IT WAS CLEAR.
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UM, I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION OR COMMENT ON PAGE SIX OF JCS COMMENT RESPONSE LETTER.IT REFERS TO LOT 13 CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT TO PLANT ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND THEN REMAIN PERMANENTLY.
SINCE IT IS A VALUABLE LOT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE BUILDINGS.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC OPINION ON THAT, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW THAT IS ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THE APPROVALS PROCESS, YOU KNOW, SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IS IT NOT THROUGH THIS APPLICATION, IT'S THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT BECOMES PERMANENT IT, JOHN? SO YES, OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROJECT TEAM WITH RESPECT TO LOT TEMP, LOT 13 THAT'S PROPOSED, UM, TO BE PERMANENT.
UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE APPLICANT OR THE PROJECT TEAM'S GONNA BE FILING FOR A SITE PLAN EXEMPTION IN CONNECTION WITH THAT LOT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S OFFICIALLY BEEN SUBMITTED YET, BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS WITH THEM.
JOHN, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU, JOHN.
UM, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC AND THE APPLICANT, UM, IN TERMS OF THE REORIENTATION OF THE ROADWAY DOWN FROM THE PROPOSED LOGISTICS BUILDING TO THE MAIN CAMPUS, DO YOU SEE THAT, IS IT AN IMPROVEMENT? UM, DO YOU SEE IT AS REASONABLE? UH, JUST WHAT'S YOUR OPINION OVERALL? I, I THINK IT IS, IT IS BOTH REASONABLE AND AN IMPROVEMENT.
UH, ANY OTHER FINAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN AGAIN, I, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE APPLICATION, UH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO PREPARE A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR US TO MAKE TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION AT OUR SEPTEMBER 2ND MEETING.
THANK YOU EVERYONE HAVE A GOOD EVENING.
NEXT UP WE HAVE, UH, CASE NUMBER PB 2220 ELMWOOD PRESERVE AT EIGHT 50 DOPPS FERRY ROAD PO.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A FINAL SUBDIVISION, AN AMENDED PLANNING BOARD, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND AN AMENDED WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT.
UM, BEFORE WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK, UH, I DID HAVE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AND HISTORY, UH, THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH THE BOARD AND, AND WITH THE PUBLIC.
UM, THIS ELMWOOD SUBDIVISION PROJECT HAS UNDERGONE A MULTI-YEAR REVIEW PROCESS, UH, WHICH BEGAN IN 2018 WITH THE TOWN BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD, THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, AND NUMEROUS OTHER AGENCIES SUCH AS THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION AND THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
UH, THE PROJECT INVOLVED AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT AND SUPPLEMENTAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, UH, BOTH OF WHICH HAD SIGNIFICANT PLANNING BOARD INVOLVEMENT AS AN INVOLVED AGENCY.
UH, THAT PROCESS RESULTED IN A CD CONSERVATION OVERLAY, WHICH ENABLED THE SITE TO BE PLANNED AS A CONSERVATION SUBDIVISION LEADING TO SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE AR SPACES AREA WHEN FULLY DEVELOPED.
UH, THE PROCESS ALSO LED TO A FUTURE 14.2 ACRE LAND TRANSFER TO THE TOWN, WHICH WILL ENABLE EAST BROOK PARK TO ULTIMATELY BE EXPANDED TO A 60 PLUS ACRE PARK.
UH, OTHER BENEFITS FROM THE PROJECT INCLUDE A FULL REMEDIATION OF THE ENTIRE SITE UNDER THE NEW YORK STATE DEC BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM, SIDEWALKS ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE AND INTERNAL TO THE SITE.
UH, STORM MORTAR BASINS DESIGNED FOR A HUNDRED YEAR STORM EVENTS AND A FISCAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE NEW YORK STATE DOT SPRAIN BROOK PARKWAY RAMP REALIGNMENT AND SIGNAL PROJECT.
UH, THE PLANNING BOARD TONIGHT IS IN THE RECEIPT OF AN APPROVED FINAL SUBDIVISION PLAT FROM THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A DRAFT FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL LETTER, UH, FOR A CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.
UH, TOWN STAFF HAS TAKEN CAREFUL CONSIDERATION TO UPDATE THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SUPPLEMENTAL CR FINDING STATEMENT ADOPTED BY THE TOWN BOARD IN NOVEMBER, 2025, WHICH INCLUDES UPDATED DISTURBANCE FIGURES AND RELATED MITIGATIONS BASED ON THE SCOPE OF THE C'S BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS.
UH, WHILE MUCH OF THE EIGHT YEAR PROCESS LEADING TO THE BOARD'S DECISION, ULTIMATE DECISION TONIGHT PROCEEDED MANY OF, UH, US PERSONALLY ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW.
UH, THE PROCESS HAS LED TO A PROJECT THAT I DO BELIEVE HAS BEEN SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY AND, AND INCORPORATES BEST PRACTICES THAT THIS BOARD IS NOW ACCUSTOMED TO.
UH, SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THE APPLICANT TO, UH, SHARE, SHARE SORT OF WHERE WE ARE NOW AND, AND WHAT HAS CHANGED SINCE YOU WERE LAST WITH US.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF
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THE BOARD, DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZARIN AND STEIN'S HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.I'M JOINED BY OUR CLIENT JONATHAN REBO AND, UH, DIEGO VILLA REAL FROM JMC.
UM, OUR PROJECT ENGINEERS AND PLANNERS.
YOU STOLE A LOT OF MY THUNDER, MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH YOUR OPENING
UM, AND THE ONE THING I WAS HOPING YOU WOULDN'T SAY AND REMIND MY CLIENT IS THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE EIGHT YEARS.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE, UH, BEEN HERE EIGHT YEARS AND WE HAVE COMPLETED A, UM, AN EXTENSIVE COMPREHENSIVE, UM, AND SOMEWHAT EXHAUSTIVE PROCESS THAT WILL NOW RESULT IN 113, UH, HOPEFULLY NEW WONDERFUL HOME SITES COMING INTO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UM, A UH, GOLF COURSE THAT IS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS, OR WAS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, WILL NOW BE REMEDIATED AND CLEANED UP FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED PROBABLY THE, THE FOR, FOR THOSE OF US THAT DRIVE THE SPRAIN AND, UH, AND, AND, AND TIE INTO DOBBS FERRY ROAD, A NEW, UM, MUCH DESERVED AND LONG AWAITED, UM, INTERSECTION THAT WILL PROVIDE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE RESIDENTS OF THIS PROJECT.
ALL OF THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, UM, THE PROJECT DID GO THROUGH A COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW UNDER SECRA, AS YOU INDICATED, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND WE'VE LITERALLY SPENT THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS WORKING EXTENSIVELY AND, AND COOPERATIVELY WITH YOUR TOWN PROFESSIONAL STAFF ON THIS, UM, RESOLUTION.
WHAT, WHAT YOUR TOWN LIKES TO CALL A LETTER OF APPROVAL.
UM, I, I I REFER TO AS A, A RESOLUTION OF FINAL PLAT APPROVAL.
THIS DOCUMENT, IN ESSENCE, IS A, UM, UH, A PATHWAY OR A GAME PLAN FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL TAKE PLACE.
THERE ARE, UM, UH, THERE ARE LITERALLY PAGES AND PAGES OF CONDITIONS THAT HAVE TO BE COMPLIED WITH, UH, RELATIVE TO STEEP SLOPES, WETLANDS, STORM WATER, ROAD CONSTRUCTION, SEQUENCING, AND REMEDIATION OF THE SITE.
ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE DONE UNDER THE WATCHFUL EYE, OBVIOUSLY OF THE TOWN AND ITS PROFESSIONAL STAFF, AS WELL AS BY THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION.
THIS IS A, UH, A RATHER COMPREHENSIVE CLEANUP THAT THE TOWN, UH, HAS REQUIRED.
IT WAS REQUIRED LONG AGO, UM, BEFORE ANY OF, UM, UH, YOU FOLKS WERE ON THE PLANNING BOARD.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOT HERE TO MAKE AN AFFIRMATIVE PRESENTATION.
UH, THE RESOLUTION IS BEFORE YOUR BOARD.
UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT NONE OF YOU ARE ON THE BOARD AT THE COMMENCEMENT.
UM, AND THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE SECRET PROCESS, SORT OF UNUSUAL FOR ME TO BE STARING AT BOARD MEMBERS THAT I KNOW DIDN'T, UH, GO THROUGH THE TWISTS AND TURNS, UH, WITH ALL OF US.
BUT THE GOOD NEWS FOR ALL OF YOU, UM, YOU ARE NOW HERE TO FULFILL SORT OF THE MANDATE FROM, UH, THE STATE OF NEW YORK, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE SOME MORE HOUSING, UM, THROUGHOUT OUR STATE, UM, AND TO, TO SEE THIS SITE CLEANED UP.
WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I, I, I ASSUME YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF HAS WALKED YOU THROUGH, UM, I I SHOULD SAY.
'CAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALL KNOW WE DID NOT DRAFT THIS DOCUMENT.
YOUR TOWN STAFF DRAFTED THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, THEY WERE KIND ENOUGH TO ALLOW US TO WORK WITH THEM 'CAUSE IT IS RATHER EXTENSIVE.
AND, UM, TOGETHER, I THINK WE'VE ACHIEVED SOMETHING THAT, UM, ENSURES THAT THE SITE CAN BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED AND CONSTRUCTED IN AN APPROPRIATE SEQUENTIAL FASHION, BUT FOR YOUR PURPOSES IN A SAFE FASHION THAT IMPLEMENTS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOUR TOWN BOARD AND PLANNING BOARD AND CONSERVATION BOARD, UM, ALL REQUIRED AS PART OF THE SECRET PROCESS.
UM, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, UM, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH, UM, IF NOT ALL OF THE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, AT LEAST THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE CHANGED SINCE, UH, THIS APPLICATION WAS LAST IN FRONT OF US? UH, SO LET ME GIVE IT A SHOT.
UM, THERE HAVE BEEN A, A NUMBER OF REVISIONS, AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE DIDN'T CIRCULATE A RED LINE VERSION BECAUSE CONDITIONS WERE MOVED, RELOCATED, MODIFIED, ET CETERA.
UM, THE BOARD HAS, UM, FOR ITS CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING, FIVE POTENTIAL VOTES.
ONE TO CONSIDER WAIVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
UH, TWO, TO CONSIDER A DECISION ON THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
THREE, TO CONSIDER A DECISION ON THE, THE AMENDED STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
UM, ALSO TO CONSIDER A DECISION ON THE AMENDED WETLAND WATER COURSE PERMIT.
AND LASTLY, TO CONSIDER A DECISION ON THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UM, WE'D PROBABLY BE HERE CLOSE TO THE END OF MEETING TIME IF I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE CONDITIONS, UM, AND EVEN TRIED TO DECIPHER BETWEEN WHAT'S CHANGED AND WHAT HASN'T.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU AND, AND SPEAK TO THE BOARD ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT, AS MR. STEINMAN'S INDICATED, AND AS YOU NOTED IN YOUR, YOUR OPENING TOWN STAFF DRAFTED THIS DOCUMENT, UM, AMONGST VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES, THE APPLICANT DID HAVE SOME INPUT AND THERE WERE MEETINGS WE HAD TO DISCUSS VARIOUS CONDITIONS WITHIN THIS
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DOCUMENT.THE DRAFT HAD BEEN CIRCULATED TO THE BOARD, UH, AHEAD OF THIS MEETING.
WE ASKED BOARD MEMBERS TO PROVIDE US WITH ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT THEY HAD TO THE EXTENT THEY COULD AHEAD OF THIS MEETING.
UM, SOME WERE PROVIDED AND STAFF PREPARED.
WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COORDINATE WITH, UM, LABEL ASSOCIATES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE TOWN'S CONSULTANTS REVIEWING CERTAIN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND EROSION AND CONTROL MEASURES THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT TO PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM BOARD MEMBERS.
SO, WITH THAT SAID, RATHER THAN TRY AND DECIPHER AND, AND, AND WORK THROUGH VARIOUS CONDITIONS AND SKIP OVER OTHER ONES, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK BOARD MEMBERS IF THERE WERE ANY FINAL QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE DRAFT DECISION.
UM, I DO THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL IF YOU OR, OR THE APPLICANT CAN JUST BRIEFLY SORT OF WALK US THROUGH, I KNOW AT OUR LAST MEETING THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, THE SEQUENCING AND STAGING OF THE ROUND FIELD REMEDIATION.
UM, AND SO IF YOU CAN JUST SORT OF EDUCATE THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC ON, ON WHERE WE LANDED ON THAT AND HOW THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE CONDITIONS.
I'M GONNA LET MY CLIENT WHO'S BEEN DEALING WITH THE DEC AND OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT CLO MOST CLOSELY.
YOU MAY WANNA CONSIDER ALSO THE DOT PART OF IT AS WELL JUST TO GREAT.
I WISH YOU DIDN'T SAY HOW LONG I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, UH, BEFORE YOU AND I SEE MY NOW GOOD FRIEND GARRETT IS, UH, POPPED UP ON THE SCREEN OVER YOUR HEAD.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SORT OF THE LAME, AND, AND DIEGO IS HERE TO GIVE YOU ANY ANSWER, ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
BUT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU SORT OF THE, THE NON-TECHNICAL HOW IT WORKS, ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT STAGING.
SO THE PROJECT IS SPLIT UP INTO MUL, AND THIS IS ON THE REMEDIATION, RIGHT? SO, SO DAY, EVERYTHING ON THIS PROJECT IS SPLIT UP INTO MULTIPLE PHASES.
I THINK WE HAVE FIVE, FIVE PHASES, RIGHT? SO THINK ABOUT, SO YOU'VE GOT FIVE PHASES, AND WITHIN EACH OF THOSE PHASES YOU'LL HAVE MULTIPLE QUADRANTS.
AND THOSE QUADRANTS ARE ALL SEPARATED AND WILL BE APPROVED BY, AND WERE, WELL, I SHOULD SAY WE'VE SUBMITTED OUR REVISED RO REMEDIAL ACTION WORK PLAN.
UH, TODAY WE'VE SUBMITTED THAT BACK TO THE DEC, PROBABLY ABOUT THE 10TH DRAFT THAT HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH TO THE DEC.
SO THEY'RE REVIEWING THAT, WHICH WE HOPE WILL BE THE LAST ONE.
AND THEN THERE'S A 45 DAY COMMENT THEY PUBLISH IN 45 DAY COMMENT PERIOD.
SO WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT TALKS ABOUT ALL OF THE WAYS THAT WE'RE GONNA GO ABOUT AND REMEDIATE.
BUT IN THE ESSENCE, WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS A, THIS IS A SOIL OPERATION WITHIN EACH PHASE AND WITHIN EACH QUADRANT, THEY WILL BE TESTING EVERY PIECE OF DIRT THAT IS IN THERE.
AND IT GOES FROM ANYWHERE FROM TWO FEET TO FOUR FEET TO SIX FEET BASED UPON ALL OF THE TESTING THAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
AND WITHIN EACH ONE OF THOSE SECTIONS, IT COMES UP CLEAN, IT COMES UP DIRTY, AND ALL OF THAT DIRT.
WHAT WE'VE WORKED OUT WITH THE BOARD YEARS AGO WAS THAT ALL DIRT WOULD BE ALL DIRT THAT DOES NOT MEET A QUOTE UNQUOTE RESIDENTIAL STANDARD UNDER THE DEC REGULATION.
AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE DOCUMENT WE TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL STANDARD WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE, BILLS OF LADEN ARE PROVIDED.
WE HAVE TO PROVIDE PROOF OF WHERE WE BRING IT.
AND THIS IS NOT ONLY SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN WILL BE A PART OF, BUT THE DEC OVERSEES US.
WE HAVE TO REPORT, WE HAVE TO REPORT, UH, THERE'S DAILY LOGS, WEEKLY MEETINGS, MONTHLY MEETINGS REPORT.
IT'S JUST, THERE'S A, NOT ONLY IS THERE A LOT OF WORK IN MOVING DIRT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK IN MOVING PAPER.
UM, IT IS A, UH, I WILL TELL YOU IT'S PRO, IT'S, IT'S A NORTH OF A $10 MILLION CLEANUP OPERATION ON THIS PROPERTY.
IT MAY END UP BEING CLOSER TO 20 MILLION THAN IT DOES TO 10 MILLION IN ORDER TO GET IT, UH, FULLY CLEANED.
THAT INCLUDES MY CONSULTANTS, THE, THE REPORTS, EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO AT THE END OF THE DAY.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE MOVE QUADRANT BY QUADRANT, SECTION BY SECTION.
AND WE DON'T REALLY, THERE IS SOME OVERLAP BECAUSE YOU'RE WAITING FOR TEST RESULTS IN ONE QUADRANT WHEN YOU MOVE TO THE NEXT QUADRANT.
BUT IN ESSENCE, IT'S JUST A PROCESS THAT MOVES ALONG UNTIL WE, WE STOCKPILE DIRTY MATERIAL, WE STOCKPILE CLEAN MATERIAL.
BUT, SO YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF DIRT MOVEMENT, A LOT OF TRUCKS MOVING.
MOST OF THAT STAYS ON THE DUMP TRUCKS COME OFF ONCE THEY'RE FILLED AND ONCE THEY'RE BEING BROUGHT TO A, TO AN APPROVED FACILITY FOR THAT LEVEL OF DIRT.
AND THEY GO ALL DIFFERENT PLACES.
SO YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING THAT HAS, IS JUST SLIGHTLY ELEVATED, AND THAT CAN BE, THAT'S GONNA GO TO ONE FACILITY WHERE YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DESCRIBE AS, AS YOU KNOW, HAS A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF A CONTAMINANT AND THAT MAY NEED TO GO TO A, A DIFFERENT FACILITY.
AND THEY'RE EVEN SEPARATED THAT WAY ON, ON SITE.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO CONTAMINATE SOMETHING THAT HAS A LOW LEVEL OF CONTAMINATION WITH SOMETHING THAT'S HIGH BECAUSE FRANKLY,
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THAT JUST COSTS MORE MONEY.SO THE PROCESS IS, IT STARTS AND IT STARTS IN THE BACK AND WE CLEAN OUR WAY FORWARD SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE HALL ROADS AND ENTRANCE ROADS AND EXIT ROADS, THAT WE'RE NOT, UH, WE'RE NOT CONTAMINATING PLACES THAT WE'VE ALREADY CLEANED.
SO WE ACTUALLY ARE STARTING IN THE BACK, RIGHT.
AND WE, BECAUSE, AND MOVING NORTHEAST AND WE'RE MOVING AND MOVING OUR WAY AROUND AND FORWARD TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE, IN FRONT OF THE SITE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE, IT IS A HIGHLY, UH, CHOREOGRAPHED DIRT MOVEMENT OPERATION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS
BY COMMISSIONER? OH, UM, SOME OF THE, SO THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, UH, DECISION THAT THE PLANNING BOARD MADE, UH, WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE.
UM, BUT SINCE THAT TIME, AS I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD WAS AWARE WHEN, UH, THE APPLICANT APPEARED BEFORE IT, UH, AT THE END OF LAST YEAR, UM, MORE OF THE SITE IS TO BE REMEDIATED.
UM, PRETTY MUCH A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE SITE.
UM, SO THAT'S, THE SUPPLEMENTAL FINDINGS WERE UPDATED TO REFLECT THAT.
SO, UM, THE UPDATED PLANNING BOARD DECISION IS REFLECTIVE OF THESE NEW LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE.
THE PLANS HAVE ALL HAVE BEEN UPDATED.
THERE'S BEEN ENHANCED AND UPDATED PERIMETER LANDSCAPING.
I DO NOTE THAT THERE'S, UH, NO CHANGES TO THE LOCK CONFIGURATIONS, ANY OF THE ROADWAY CONFIGURATIONS.
THE STORMWATER BASIN CONFIGURATIONS, THOSE ARE ALL THE SAME.
UM, BUT THERE'S UPDATED TREE REMOVALS, UM, UPDATED DISTURBANCE FIGURES, ALL THAT'S REFLECTIVE IN THIS FINAL SUB-DIVISION APPROVAL.
AS FAR AS CONDITIONS, SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, UM, THE, THERE'S BEEN UPDATED BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES BASED ON THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP PROGRAM UPDATES AND THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THEM IN THE TIME BETWEEN PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION AND NOW THAT'S ALL BEEN INCORPORATED, UH, INTO THIS FINAL DECISION THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
UM, SO THERE'S ALSO UPDATED TIMEFRAMES FOR THE 14.2 ACRE LAND TRANSFER.
AND, UM, THE PRESENT, UH, FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL INCLUDES AFFIRMATIONS THAT ALL BROWNFIELD CLEANUP ACTIVITIES WILL FULLY PROCEED, UH, ANY OF THE, THE ACTUAL HOME DEVELOPMENT.
SO, UH, REALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE, UM, AS THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE'S BEEN WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP HARD SINCE, UM, PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION.
UM, BUT IF ANYTHING, I THINK THAT THE, UH, THE CONTROLS FOR FINAL SUBDIVISION ARE MORE UP TO DATE AND, UH, MORE COMPREHENSIVE BASED ON, UM, YOU KNOW, FURTHER REVIEW, UH, WITH THE BROWNFIELD CLEANUP.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? UH, MR. PATEL? UM, WHAT'S THE DURATION OF THE CLEANUP? HOW LONG IS IT GONNA BE ANTICIPATED TO BE? SO, UH, I, IT IS PROBABLY NINE TO 15 MONTHS.
AND THE REASON WHY I GIVE YOU A WIDE RANGE IS WE COULD COMPLETE THE WORK IN NINE MONTHS, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY, IT, IT IS CONTINGENT UPON HOW FAST THE DEC WILL MOVE IN APPROVALS.
SO IF THEY'RE MOVING QUICKLY, WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY.
IF WE'RE HELD UP BY THEM, THEN WE'LL BE WAITING FOR THEM TO ISSUE REPORTS, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, SIR, WE HAVE TO GET OUR, OUR CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO, UH, TO BE DONE AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH WOULD BE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN BUILDING HOMES.
AND HOW LONG FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT TIME-WISE, HOW FAST IS THE DEC GONNA MOVE?
IT'S PROBABLY A YEAR OR ABOUT A YEAR OF INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR YEARS OF BUILDING HOMES.
SO WE, I WOULD SAY IT'S FIVE TO SIX YEARS IN THIS CURRENT MARKET TODAY, YEAR FOR CLEANUP, YEAR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, THREE TO FOUR YEARS FOR HOME CONSTRUCTION AND BUILD OUT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PHASING THE BUILDINGS OR THE HOMES? THERE IS A PHASING PLAN.
YEAH, THERE IS A PHASING, THERE IS A PHASING PLAN FOR EVERYTHING STARTING ON THE WEST INFRASTRUCTURE.
WELL, YEAH, I THE FOR HOMES, YES.
SO THERE IS A, THERE IS A REMEDIATION PHASING PLAN.
AND THEN ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE, THERE IS THEN A SEPARATE INFRASTRUCTURE PHASING PLAN.
AND EACH PHASING PLAN, UM, OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS THEN THE HOMES WILL BE BUILT WITHIN THAT PHASE.
'CAUSE EACH PHASE CAN STAND, WHAT WE, WHAT DIEGO AND HIS TEAM DID A GREAT JOB WITH IS THEY CAN ALL STAND ON THEIR OWN FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT, DRAINAGE OR STORM, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER, DRAINAGE, SEWER, WATER, ALL OF THAT.
AND, UH, AND SO WE'LL PLAN TO BUILD BY PHASES, HENCE, HENCE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I, WELL, MR. WEINBERG, I HAD A FEW, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I SPOKE TO
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AARON OR WE TRADED EMAILS AND I GOT, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF ANSWERS.THE ONE, ONE OF THE CURRENT CONCERNS I HAVE IS EROSION AND FLOODING.
AND IT ALSO DOVES TAILS INTO, WE GONNA BRING DIEGO UP TOO, SO WE CAN BOTH, OKAY.
IT ALSO DOVETAILS INTO STOCKPILING, YOU KNOW, REMEDI MATERIAL THAT'S GOTTA BE REMOVED.
UH, ALSO, YOU KNOW, JUST COORDINATED WITH, YOU KNOW, TIME, YOU KNOW, UH, INVOLVED IN ALSO, YOU KNOW, STORMS, THE KIND OF STORMS WE'RE GETTING, WHICH COME QUICKLY AND ARE SEVERE.
AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD NEARBY.
I THINK THEY'VE HAD SOME, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN FLOODING INCIDENTS THERE.
THIS COULD BE MORE COMPLICATED IF YOU HAVE ANY CONTAMINATED MATERIAL IN THOSE FLOOD WATERS.
UM, JMC WAS INVOLVED IN BRIGHTVIEW, AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF EROSION PROBLEMS DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD AT BRIGHTVIEW.
AND I'M SURE IF WE WENT BACK TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT BRIGHTVIEW, NONE OF US WERE ON THE BOARD THEN.
UM, I'M SURE YOU KNOW, THE ANSWERS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DESIGNED THE STORM MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE EROSION PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THAT, BUT IT DIDN'T, AND PONCY GOT FLOODED NUMEROUS TIMES.
A LOT OF DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, INCURRED.
I DON'T KNOW WHO COVERED IT, WHETHER THE DEVELOPER COVERED SOME OF THAT DAMAGE OR ANY OF IT, OR PEOPLE WERE JUST LEFT TO FEND FOR THEMSELVES.
AND SO I GUESS MY GLOBAL QUESTION TO YOU IS, NOTWITHSTANDING THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PLANS AND GOOD INTENTIONS, WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S FLOODING THAT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT HAPPENS IF THAT FLOODING HAS CONTAMINATED MATERIAL IN IT, UH, WHICH IS A BIGGER PROBLEM? WHO'S GONNA DEAL WITH THAT? WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? YEAH, SURE.
UM, JUST AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, DIEGO VI WITH JMC, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE CONCERNS, UH, THAT YOU RAISED.
UM, YOU KNOW, FIRST VERY DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
I KNOW THEY'RE CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER.
UM, WE GOTTA REALLY LOOK AT THE PROJECTS INDEPENDENTLY.
AND THE FOCUS TONIGHT, I KNOW IS ON THE ELMWOOD PROJECT MM-HMM
BUT LOOKING AT THIS ONE HERE, THERE'S A LOT OF PROTECTIVE MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT ALREADY.
UH, THE FIRST THING IS THE PHASING AND THE SEQUENCING OF THE, UH, REMEDIATION SPECIFICALLY TO THAT, THAT'S GONNA OCCUR OVER A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME AS OPPOSED TO COMING IN.
THERE'S A LOT MORE LAND AREA TO WORK WITH IN THIS CASE WHERE, UM, YOU'RE NOT CONSOLIDATED INTO A VERY SMALL AREA THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD ON ONE SPECIFIC SPOT.
UH, THIS IS A VERY, UH, METHODICAL, SEQUENTIAL PROCESS THAT'S GONNA GO STEP BY STEP, PHASE BY PHASE AND QUADRANT BY QUADRANT.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, UM, I THINK THE, UH, PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER IN CONSULTATION WITH TERRA PHASE, WHO IS, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT AS WELL AS YOUR ENGINEER, UH, THROUGH THE STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN, THERE'S A VERY DETAILED, UH, SEQUENCE, UM, THAT THE CONTRACTOR AND THE CLEANUP CONTRACTOR IS OBLIGATED TO GO THROUGH IN THE EVENT OF BAD WEATHER IN THE EVENT BAD WEATHER COMES IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S FLOODING IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S ANY SOIL MIGRATION OFF SITE.
THIS IS, UH, ALLUDED TO STEP BY STEP ON THE DRAWINGS THEMSELVES.
SO IN A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE ANY OF THE SOIL GETS MIGRATED OR THERE IS AN ISSUE FOR SOME REASON, UM, IT'S SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED ON THOSE PLANS.
HOWEVER, THE PLANS HAVE BEEN DONE IN A SPECIFIC WAY WHERE THEY'RE REALLY BROKEN DOWN INTO SMALLER PHASES.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF SEDIMENT BASINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE ALL DESIGNED TO KEEP THINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT BUILDING ON A HILLSIDE.
IT'S MORE OPEN, IT'S MORE EXPANSIVE.
THERE'S LESS AREAS WHERE WATER CAN PENETRATE THE PROPERTY PERIMETER.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROLLED FROM THAT.
THEN TO ADDRESS YOUR SPECIFIC POINT, UM, THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, IF YOU LOOK AT SPECIFICALLY THE SEDIMENT EROSION CONTROL PLANS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMEDIATION, IT'S VERY EXPLICIT TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH CONTAMINATION IN THE EVENT ANYTHING HAPPENS BOTH BEFORE STORM EVENTS AND AFTER STORM EVENTS STEP BY STEP.
SO, YOU KNOW, WITH GOOD INTENTIONS, THINGS SOMETIMES GO AWRY.
SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET A SENSE.
BUT THAT'S WHY I SAID EVEN ON THE PLAN, IT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THAT CONCERN.
IN THE EVENT THAT SOMETHING GOES AWRY, THE DEC IS NOTIFIED, THEY'RE BROUGHT ON SITE, THE CONTRACTOR IS OBLIGATED TO CLEAN UP THAT SPECIFIC AREA.
THERE'S STEPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKEN AND THOSE SAFEGUARDS ARE PUT IN PLACE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S VERY EXPLICIT, SPECIFICALLY IF
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THERE'S FLOODING IN THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CONTAMINATION, WHAT HAPPENS.IT'S ALL DIRECTED TO IF THERE'S A BREACH AND THERE'S MIGRATION OF SOIL FROM THE PROPERTY, WE CAN'T CONTROL FLOODING ON ALL DOWNSTREAM PROPERTIES.
WHAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO MIGHT BE A MORE GLOBAL ISSUE.
FLOODING IS A VERY RELATIVE TERM.
WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS IN ON IS OBVIOUSLY THE PROPERTY, SOIL MIGRATION AND SEDIMENT URGE PATROL ON THE PROPERTY.
UM, FLOODING IS, IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.
IT'S THE SOIL MIGRATION AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS KEPT ON THIS PROPERTY DURING THOSE STORM EVENTS.
LET ME, LET ME ASK A, A FOLLOW UP.
SO I KNOW IN CERTAIN AREAS YOU HAVE DOUBLE ROW SILT FENCING FOR ADDED PROTECTION.
IS THERE, IT'S A BIG SITE AND I KNOW IT'S BROKEN INTO QUADRANTS AND WHATNOT.
IS THERE SOMEONE WALKING AROUND, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOOK THAT THOSE FENCES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE STAKES CAN SNAP AND THE FENCE DROOPS OR THERE IS SOME EROSION, BUT THE FENCE HANDLES IT, BUT NOW IT'S GETTING UP TO A LEVEL WHERE GETTING UP TO A LEVEL WHERE IT'S ABOUT THE BREACH.
IS THERE SOMEONE MONITORING THAT YEAH.
ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO REPORT, HEY, WE'RE GONNA NEED SOMEONE OUT HERE TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S AN EVENT COMING THIS WEEKEND TO SHORE UP THIS AREA OR THESE AREAS BEFORE AN ISSUE, A POTENTIAL ISSUE.
THAT'S AN ONGOING COORDINATION.
THE TOWN WILL HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT WILL BE OUT THERE INSPECTING IT ON A REGULAR BASIS AS, UH, THE MS FOUR, THE MUNICIPALITY THAT'S IN CHARGE OF APPROVING THE SWIP.
UH, YOU HAVE THE CONSULTANTS THAT WILL BE OUT AT THERE ON A REGULAR BASIS DOING REPORTS THAT ARE ALSO PROVIDED TO THE MUNICIPALITY.
YOU HAVE THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S OBLIGATED TO DO THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS.
IT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES THEIR OBLIGATIONS.
UM, AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU WILL HAVE THE DEC THAT IS PERIODICALLY OUT THERE DOING OBSERVATIONS OF THE SITE AS WELL.
WE'LL ALSO HAVE FULL TIME SUPER CONSTRUCTION PERSONNEL ON SITE.
SO THERE, THERE IS MULTIPLE LAYERS OF THIS THAT HAPPENS.
BUT TO YOUR POINT, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT THINGS HAPPEN, CIRCUMSTANCES MAY COME UP, AND THAT'S EXPLICITLY OUTLINED ON THE DRAWINGS AS FAR AS WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING WHAT, WHEN, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE EVENT THAT THERE IS, UH, AN ISSUE.
AND THAT RESPONSIBILITY IS OUTLINED IN THE CON OR WILL BE OUTLINED IN THE CONTRACTS THAT WILL BE ENTERED INTO WITH THE VARIOUS SUBCONTRACTORS SO THAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE CLEARLY SPELLED OUT IN THE CONTRACT, GENERAL CONTRACT.
THEY, THEY ESSENTIALLY BUY THE DRAWINGS.
I THINK YOU'RE HITTING A GREAT POINT.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THAT, AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PIECE OF WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE DRAWINGS.
AND I THINK YOUR CONSULTANT, UM, AGAIN, UH, THE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT THAT'S BEEN WORKING HAS BEEN COMMENTING ON THIS.
TERRA FA THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT HAS BEEN RESPONDING TO THOSE IN CONSULTATION WITH US.
AND THAT'S HOW WE, UH, ENDED UP WITH A VERY EXPLICIT SET OF DIRECTIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH AGAIN, IS PART OF THE CONTRACT DOCUMENTS THAT ANY CONTRACTOR WILL PURCHASE AS PART OF THE JOB.
I WAS JUST GONNA ADD OR MENTION THAT LABEL ASSOCIATES HAS BEEN INVOLVED ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN IN THE REVIEW OF NOT ONLY THE PLANS, BUT THE DOCUMENTATION.
SO THE STEP-BY-STEP PROTOCOL OUTLINED THAT MR. VI VIAL OUTLINED HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE TOWN'S CONSULTANT.
IT'S STILL AND STILL RIGHT, CONTINUES AFTER IT PLANS.
THERE'S A SEPARATE PERMIT AND THAT'S WHY.
C CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO ME ON THE REGRADING, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, EXCAVATING MOST ALL OF THIS PROPERTY, TWO FEET, FOUR FEET, SIX FEET, WHATEVER, SIX INCHES.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAPPING THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM THE CONSULTANT, A MAJORITY OF THE REMEDIATION AREAS BETWEEN SIXES INCHES IN ONE FOOT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY YOUR TOPSOIL LAYER THAT YOU'RE REMOVING ARSENIC DOESN'T MIGRATE DOWN.
WHAT'S THAT? I SAID ARSENIC DOES NOT MIGRATE DOWN.
MAYBE ARE MY, MY COMMENTS MANY TIMES IF, IF ARSENIC MOVED, IT WOULD, IT WOULDN'T MARK.
BECAUSE IT IS BEEN NOT USED FOR 40 YEARS, BUT IT STILL SITS IN THAT TOP LAYER WHEN IT'S DOWN LOW.
IT JUST HAS TO DO WITH SOMEONE ACTUALLY WORKED THE SOIL WHEN THEY BUILD A NEW TEE BOX OR A NEW GREEN OR RESHAPED OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE THE CLUB CLOSED, THEY WERE JUST MOVING THE CONTAMINATED SOIL AROUND.
'CAUSE IT CORRECT, IT STAYS LOCKED TO THE SOIL THAT IT'S CONNECTED TO.
THERE WAS A HEAT MAP THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THIS THAT SHOWED THE ELEVATIONS OF THE CONTAMINATED MATERIAL, AGAIN, BASED ON VERY SMALL QUADRANTS.
MAJORITY OF IT WAS SIX INCHES TO A FOOT.
AND THEN THERE WERE A COUPLE OF POCKETS HERE AND THERE, UH, THAT DIPPED DOWN BASED ON, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BUT CONTINUE.
'CAUSE I, YEAH, WE ATE NO BETTER THAN I DID
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I'M JUST WING IT.HOW DO YOU GRADE IT? RIGHT? WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M THINKING NORMALLY ON A PROJECT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, EROSION, YOU'VE GOT TERRAIN.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT THE, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, HEIGHTS ARE, YOU DON'T KNOW THAT 'CAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO REDO THE WHOLE THING.
SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DO KNOW? SO WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND WHY THERE WAS A DELAY BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY YOU OH, SURE.
WHAT ONE OF THE DELAYS THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL WAS IN OUR WORKING WITH THE DEC, THEY ASKED FOR MORE EXTENSIVE TESTING AT DIFFERENT DEPTHS AND MORE FREQUENCY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS, SO THAT'S WHAT WHY WE HAD, AS GARRETT SAID, THERE'S MORE TREES BEING REMOVED AND THERE'S MORE, MORE EARTH BEING MOVED IS BECAUSE THE QUANTITY OF CONTAMINATED SOIL WENT UP AS WE HAD TO POKE MORE HOLES TO SATISFY THE DEC.
SO NOW WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE UPPED THE AMOUNT OF SOIL WE'RE MOVING.
WE KNOW, WE KNOW THERE IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE DOCTOR AND THERE'S NOTHING NORM, NO MORE BLOOD TO DRAW FROM, FROM YOUR VEINS.
THERE IS JUST NO MORE TESTING THAT I CAN DO UNTIL WE GET INTO THE FIELD.
SO DIEGO HAD TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME BEING, HAVING TO REDO THE PLANS BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FINAL TO MAKE UP FOR, FOR THE GRADE AND FOR THE STORMWATER.
SO WE, WE HAVE A, WE DO NOT KNOW A HUNDRED PERCENT OF EVERYTHING, BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT WE KNOW CLOSE TO IT.
THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE IS, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS RARELY A A, UH, THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE IS ENORMOUS.
IT'S A LOT OF DIRT THAT'S MOVED.
BUT WE HAVE A VERY GOOD SENSE, WE'VE DONE SO MANY STUDIES FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS TO KNOW REALLY WHERE EVERY PIECE OF DIRT IS GONNA BE MOVED BY PHASE.
IT'S WHY WE'RE STARTING IN THE, IN THE TOP RIGHT.
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S THE SECTION THAT NEEDS DIRT MOVED INTO IT.
ONCE WE REMOVE THE DIRT, WE'RE GONNA BRING THE CLEAN MATERIAL THERE, BE ABLE TO GRADE IT AND MOVE ON AND ON AND ON, SO FORTH, SO, SO FORTH AROUND THE SITE.
SO IT'S, IT IS, IT IS VERY, THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH SCIENCE DONE, UM, MORE SO THAN ART.
AND HOW LONG WILL, WILL YOUR STOCKPILES OF CONTAMINATED SOIL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY BEFORE THEY'RE CARTED OFF? AND I'M ASKING YOU BECAUSE IF IF GOT, IF IF THERE'S A STORM, YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, YOU'D LIKE IT OFF THAT DAY, GET RID OF IT.
BUT YOU CAN'T, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO DO SO.
WOULDD BE NOTHING MORE THAN I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAN MOVE FASTER BECAUSE TIME IS FRANKLY MONEY.
BUT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO MOVE IT UNTIL I'VE TESTED IT.
I'M NOT ALLOWED TO MOVE IT UNTIL I'VE TESTED IT.
SO IF I WAS TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER, AND THIS IS JUST THIS EXPERIENCE, 'CAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THIS, IT IS LIKELY TWO WEEKS THEY EXCAVATE, THEY MAKE A PILE, THEY'RE MAKING A TEST, THEY SEND IT TO THE LAB, THEY GET RESULTS FROM THE LAB.
BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THAT SAME STORM ORDER, THE SAME STORM ORDER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN IS WHAT, HOW EACH PILE IS THEN WRAPPED.
THERE'S, THERE'S HAY BALE MR. S FOR MORE BALES.
DOUBLE, DOUBLE-SIDED TAPE I THINK, I THINK.
BUT ALL OF THAT IS THEY ARE PASSED IS THE BIGGEST THING FROM YOUR STANDPOINT THERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
STOCKPILES ARE COMPLETELY COVERED.
AND, AND SO THAT THEY'RE NOT DOUBLE LAYERS OF SILT F ON THE TAPE, BUT DOUBLE LAYERS OF SILT FENCE.
THERE IS A SPECIFIC PLAN FOR EVERY SINGLE STOCKPILE THAT'S THERE.
IF IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE, UNTIL WE KNOW IT'S CLEAN'S CONSIDERED TO BE CONTAMINATED.
THE, I I GUESS THIS QUESTION IS BOTH TO YOU GENTLEMEN AND TO, I'M ASKING FOR AARON'S INPUT.
MAYBE GARRETT, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT WHERE THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE OVERSIGHT.
THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OVERSIGHT BY YOUR CONTRACTORS, SUBCONTRACTORS, CONSULTANTS, AND I ASSUME BY THE TOWN, UH, IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, PROMISES, AGREEMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE ARE BEING CARRIED OUT.
NOT WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS, BUT ALONG THE WAY.
AND I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, WHETHER YOU'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEALING WITH THIS STOCKPILES AND DOING ALL THE WORK YOU JUST MENTIONED ARE DOING IT ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND BY THE SAME TOKEN AND A LITTLE MORE BROADLY, BUT FOR THE TOWN, THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON REGARDING TRAFFIC, REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, REGARDING PARKING.
I MEAN, WE CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON THAT NEED TO BE COMPLIED WITH.
NOT WHEN THERE'S PROBLEMS. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE ALSO NICE FOR THE TOWN TO HAVE SOMEONE DESIGNATED FOR THE PUBLIC TO CONTACT IF SOMETHING'S GOING WRONG AND THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, FIND, FIND OUT HOW TO, HOW TO GET, YOU KNOW, REMEDIED.
SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? YOU DO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU DO CONTACT WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG.
IT'S EITHER GENERALLY THE TOWN ENGINEER OR THE BUILDING INSPECTOR OR
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THE COMMISSIONER OF VPW DEPENDING UPON WHAT IT IS.BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, CONDITION, I JUST WANT TO ALERT THAT CONDITION.
7.7, THE APPLICANT SHALL DEPOSIT A MONTHLY ESCROW COVERING THE COST OF AN ONSITE INDEPENDENT MONITOR SELECTED BY THE TOWN, OVERSEE THE REMEDIATION, ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, OPERATIONS INCLUDING STEEP SLOPES, WETLANDS AND STORMWATER OPERATIONS.
SO, UM, THERE WILL BE A DEDICATED STAFF ON, UM, AT ALL TIMES SOLELY DEVOTED TO ENSURING THAT THE CONTROLS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ARE IN PLACE.
I GUESS GARRETT, WHAT I WAS ALSO SAYING IS YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO WONDER WHO TO CALL.
YOU DON'T WANT 'EM TO BE CALLING THE SUPERVISOR.
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, UH, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, POINT PERSON IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PERSON COULD LEAD YOU OR COULD, COULD REACH OUT TO THE RIGHT PERSON TO GET BACK TO YOU.
'CAUSE THIS IS A MAJOR PROJECT AND THINGS ARE GONNA HAPPEN WITH IT.
UH, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF STRUCTURE WHERE YOU ANTICIPATE THAT AND RATHER HAVE SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, GET ON NEXT DOOR AND COMPLAIN OR, YOU KNOW, CALL THE SUPERVISOR AND COMPLAIN TO HAVE SOME SYSTEM WHERE IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, CONTACT THIS PERSON THAT'S SORT OF, SORT OF THE INTERNAL OMBUDSMAN AND HE'LL, YOU KNOW, DIRECT YOUR QUESTION OR CONCERN TO THE RIGHT PERSON IN THE TOWN.
SENSE WE'LL DISCUSS THAT INTERNAL.
UM, AND, AND I WILL JUST, NOT TO STIFLE DISCUSSION, BUT I, I DO JUST WANNA RAISE THAT IT'S 8 45 AND WE DO HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING.
AND FINALLY, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT, I MEAN THE PREVIOUS APPROVALS THAT, THAT WERE DEALING WITH, THE AMENDED APPROVALS TONIGHT WERE DONE BY A PREVIOUS TOTALLY PREVIOUS TOWN BOARD.
THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, THERE WAS, THERE'S NO OVERLAP.
UH, THEY WERE A VERY EXPERIENCED GROUP OF PEOPLE.
UH, THEY HAD, MANY OF THEM HAD BEEN ON THE BOARD PLANNING BOARD FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
AND THE ONLY REASON I FEEL LIKE WE'RE UP HERE NOW IS BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN CHANGES SINCE 2023 WHEN THEY GRANTED THESE APPROVALS.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY REASON.
UM, SO BACK A COUPLE YEARS AGO HAS BEEN PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL WAS GRANTED, BUT THERE, AND THEN WHAT HAP THERE'S A LOT OF STEPS, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT HAD TO TAKE PLACE BETWEEN PRELIMINARY AND FINAL, BUT WITH SUBDIVISIONS, THERE'S ALWAYS A PRELIMINARY AND THERE'S ALWAYS A FINAL.
OFTENTIMES ON THE SMALLER SUBDIVISIONS, THEY JUST HAVE TO GET THE PLA ENDORSED, YOU KNOW, BY THE COUNTY.
THESE FOLKS HAD TO HAVE THE PLATE ENDORSED BY THE COUNTY AMONGST MANY OTHER THINGS.
UM, BUT THE REASON WHY YOU, IN ADDITION TO JUST THE FINAL SUBDIVISION DECISION THIS EVENING, YOU HAVE AMENDED WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND THE AMENDED STEEP SLOPE PERMIT IS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGES THAT TOOK PLACE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF DISTURBANCE THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE FOR THEM TO COMPLY WITH THE REMEDIATION.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON THE REMEDIATION CONDITION THAT WAS PUT ON, PUT ON THE PRIOR BOARD.
IT WAS SATISFYING A CONDITION OF THE PRELIMINARY PRE SOLUTION.
THAT'S WHAT, NOT WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE DEC, IT'S WHAT WAS REQUIRED BY THIS BOARD.
AND THEN THE TREE REMOVAL WAS THE FUNCTION OF THAT.
THERE ACTUALLY WERE NO CHANGES TO THE SUBDIVISION LAYOUT, THE ROADWAY CONFIGURATION.
THE LOT CONFIGURATION, UTILITY DESIGN.
THERE WERE NO CHANGES MADE TO THAT'S CORRECT.
IT WAS ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT NEEDED TO BE AMENDED WERE EXPLICITLY RELATED TO THE REMEDIATION FINDINGS.
I, I GUESS ALL I WAS SAYING, I'M SORRY MR. STEIN, IF YOU COULD STATE THAT ON THE RECORD, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.
I APPRECIATE THAT AMANDA AND ALL OF THOSE WERE SUBJECT TO AN AMENDED FINDING STATEMENT THAT THE TOWN ADOPTED.
THE LEAD AGENCY MADE US COME BACK IN AND GO THROUGH A, A TECHNICAL REVIEW UNDER THE NEW YORK STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT TO GET AMENDED FINDINGS.
SO YOUR BOARD IS COVERED THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHANGES THEY'VE JUST DESCRIBED WERE REVIEWED AND WERE ANALYZED AND DETERMINED TO HAVE BEEN SATISFACTORILY MITIGATED.
SO THIS BOARD, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION, MR. WEINBERG, IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRELIMINARY RESOLUTION AND THIS 40 SOME ODD PAGE FINAL RESOLUTION.
THE PRELIMINARY RESOLUTION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
IT WAS PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THE LAYOUT, THE UTILITIES, THE LOTS.
THIS HAS GOT 20 PAGES OF CONSTRUCTION CONDITIONS, NONE OF WHICH WERE, UH, WERE PART OF THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL, ALL OF WHICH ARE SOMETHING THAT WE ALWAYS DEAL WITH WITH YOUR BOARD WHEN WE GET TO THIS PHASE OF A SUBDIVISION.
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I MEAN, I JOINED THE BOARD IN JANUARY OF 2025.I'M NOW, I THINK THE SECOND MOST SENIOR PERSON ON THE BOARD WE INHERITED THIS PROJECT.
UM, PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, MY ATTITUDE IS, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T VOTE ON THIS IF I HAD JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DONE, YOU KNOW, OVER EIGHT YEARS, YOU KNOW, SIX OR SEVEN WAS BEFORE I KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROJECT.
SO I'VE BEEN, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND, AND BEARING WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH ME, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M COMFORTABLE THAT THE PEOPLE BEFORE US ON THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, WERE REALLY DILIGENT AND, AND ASKED THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAIN OF THAT AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING AHEAD, I'M NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, VOTING OR NOT VOTING BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING.
I MEAN, I DON'T, I JUST DON'T WORK THAT WAY.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL SORT OF PUT IN A POSITION WHERE THIS HAS BEEN THROWN IN OUR LAPS AND WE HAVE NO HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET UP TO SPEED AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR THE COMMUNITY.
TOTALLY APPRECIATE YOUR CANDOR.
AND, AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD JUST REMIND ALL OF YOU IF IT MAKES YOU COMFORTABLE OR IF IT DOESN'T, YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF HAS BEEN HERE.
UM, YOUR OUTSIDE CONSULTANT HAS BEEN HERE.
UM, THERE IS A REASON THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM LITERALLY FOR YEARS.
AND THE GOOD NEWS FOR THOSE OF US ON THIS SIDE OF THE, THE DAUS, WE KNOW THE TIME AND THE ATTENTION THAT THEY HAVE SPENT ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN AND WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A QUALITY RESOLUTION.
SO, SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, WE HAVE FIVE, UH, VOTES TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
UM, THE FIRST I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, SORRY MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANNA ASK ONE QUESTION.
UM, AMANDA, THERE WAS A COUPLE OF CHANGES THAT I HAD EMAILED THAT WERE LIKE, TYPE, ARE THOSE IN THERE OR ARE YOU GONNA TALK, INTRODUCE? SO THEY WERE, I BELIEVE CIRCULATED BY OKAY.
AS LONG AS WHATEVER THEY'RE VOTING ON IS, IS THE, IS WHAT JONATHAN, YOU AND GARRETT HAVE TALKED ABOUT THESE THREE OR FOUR MINOR CLEANUPS.
RIGHT? SO MATT, THE MATT, MATT BRI SHOULD BE ON, AND THOSE WERE CIRCULATED TO TOWN STAFF.
AND IN THE MASTER DOCUMENT, LIKE THE STRIKE THROUGH THAT YOU IDENTIFIED THE RIGHT PLAN DATES, REVIEWED THE CROSS REFERENCE TO THE PRIOR CONDITION.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE STILL VOTING ON THE RIGHT ONE.
SO WE HAVE FIVE VOTES TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING.
THE FIRST I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO WAIVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
UM, NEXT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE FINAL SUB FINAL SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
UH, NEXT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE AMENDED STEEP SLOPE PERMIT APPLICATION.
MR. PILLINGER? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
UH, NEXT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, DRAFT DECISION FOR THE AMENDED WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPLICATION.
YES, SHE, UH, AND THEN LASTLY, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE DRAFT DECISION FOR THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR PATIENCE, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING YOU VERY PROUD OF, OF THIS PROJECT AND THIS CLEANUP AND THIS SUBDIVISION.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE NOW AT OUR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC DISCUSSION PORTION OF THE EVENING.
UM, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
UH, I WILL, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, MAY YOU CONDUCT THE ROLE CHAIRPERSON PEL PRESENT
OUR FIRST ALTERNATE, MS. ROBINSON.
MR. PATEL HERE, BOTH OF WHICH WILL BE FULL VOTING MEMBERS AS MS. ANDERSON IS NOT PRESENT.
AND WE HAVE ONE VACANCY ON THE BOARD.
AND IT IS, UH, FOR THE RECORD, IT IS 8:51 PM UH, FIRST UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER
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PB 2317 DNI AT ZERO OLD ARMY ROAD IN PO.THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A PLANNING BOARD AND STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT.
UH, MAY IS THE APPLICANT ON ZOOM? APPLICANT IS ON ZOOM.
UH, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, I DO HAVE A COPY OF THE NOTICE AND CAN CONFIRM THAT, UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING WAS DULY NOTICED.
AND BEFORE WE, UM, ALLOW THE APPLICANT'S TEAM TO PRESENT, CAN WE HAVE A SHOW OF HANDS OF THOSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? ALRIGHT, I SEE ONE.
CURIOUS, DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT IT ON THE SIGN IN CHIEF FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING HEARING? I DO NOT FOR THIS.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW BECAUSE I WOULD ASK PEOPLE TO MOVE UP TO THE FRONT.
LET THE APPLICANT'S NAME MIA MAR.
MY NAME IS SIA MARGIE, I'M ON BEHALF OF, UH, UH, CASTIO POLLING ENGINEERING OFFICE.
UM, UH, MY NAME IS MIA MARGIE.
AGAIN, I'M, UH, HOPEFULLY MR. UH, UH, OR ENGINEER GREG.
HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO JOIN, UH, ON ZOOM SHORTLY.
IF NOT, I'M GONNA JUST, UH, UH, HAVE A EXPLAINING, UH, WHAT WE DID AND IF ANY, UH, TECHNICAL QUESTIONS I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
I WILL HAVE A GREG, UH, TAKE A LOOK AND GET BACK TO YOU.
IS THAT OKAY? UH, SO HE'S NOT JOINING US THIS EVENING, OR HE WILL BE HERE SHORTLY.
UH, HOPEFULLY HE'S GONNA BE ABLE TO JOIN, BUT UNTIL NOW HE'S NOT, UH, HE'S NOT BE ABLE TO JOIN.
SO, UM, UM, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO, MY, MY FIRST QUESTION, WHICH, WHICH IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER, PERHAPS, UH, PERHAPS DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT CAN PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT.
UM, I, I, I KNOW THIS, I KNOW THIS PROJECT HAS, UM, HAD QUITE AN EVOLUTION IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UM, I KNOW WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO US, IT INCLUDED, UM, A A REZONING OF A COMMERCIAL COMMERCIALLY ZONED LOT INTO A RESIDENTIAL LOT AND, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THREE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
OVER THE COURSE OF WORKING WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND AND WITH TOWN STAFF, UH, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN REVISED TO NO, UH, CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL LOTS TO RESIDENTIAL AND, UH, ONLY THE PROPOSAL OF A SINGLE NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
UM, I WAS HOPING IF, IF YOU OR DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT CAN PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE BIT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT ON SORT OF THAT EVOLUTION AND WHAT, WHAT IS IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.
SO I CAN EXPLAIN A BIT, BUT THEN I WOULD TURN THINGS OVER.
UM, SO JUST TO GIVE SOME DETAIL WITH RESPECT TO THE PROJECT, BE BEYOND WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.
THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME AND IN CONNECTION WITH THIS APPLICATION SEEKS A PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING BOARD IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF ONE NEW SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH RELATED IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS VACANT LOT.
UM, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES APPROXIMATELY 7341.85 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO STEEP SLOPES.
THOSE CATEGORIZED AS 15 TO 25% SLOPES APPROXIMATELY 182.7 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO VERY STEEP SLOPES ARE THOSE CATEGORIZED 25 TO 35% AND APPROXIMATELY 1381.37 SQUARE FEET OF DISTURBANCE TO EXCESSIVELY STEEP SLOPES OR THOSE SLOPES, 35% AND GREATER PROJECT REQUIRES APPROXIMATELY 3018 CUBIC YARDS OF EXCAVATION.
SO IT IS GONNA BE A CUT SITE, UM, ZERO CUBIC YARDS OF IMPORTED FILL.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE ADDITION OF 16 DRY WELLS TO HANDLE STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
UH, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES THE REMOVAL OF 87 TREES REQUIRING A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND, UM, IS IN THE PROCESS OF REALLY, AND I, AND I THINK THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING THEY'RE GONNA PRESENT TONIGHT, BUT THERE WERE KIND OF TWO SEPARATE LANDSCAPING PLANS AND THE REQUEST WAS TO SHOW IT ALL ON ONE DRAWING.
SO WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT, UM, GO THROUGH THAT, THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY, UH, OUT TO OLD ARMY ROAD WOOD CROSS LAND
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OWNED BY THE NEW YORK STATE DOT REQUIRING APPROVALS FROM THAT AGENCY.UH, AND THE PROPERTY ITSELF CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 1.11 ACRES AND IS SITUATED WITHIN THE R TEN ONE FAMILY RESIDENCE ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THAT'S, UM, WHAT'S REQUIRED OF THE BOARD IN CONNECTION WITH THIS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME MORE DETAIL THAT CAN BE PROVIDED, I CAN FILL IN SOME BLANKS, BUT, UH, I DON'T WANNA MAKE THE PRESENTATION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, JUST EXPLAINING THAT WE ADDRESS, ADDRESS THE BOARD'S CONCERN AND I REQUESTED, UH, UH, CONCERN LAST MEETING AND, UH, ADDED A RAIN GARDEN TO THE PLANNING, UH, FOR THE STORM WATER OVERFLOW AND FOOTING DRAIN OVERFLOW.
AND, UH, UH, THIS IS WHAT I WANT JUST TO SAY.
AND, UH, WE CHECKED THE SYSTEM, IT CAN BE 50 YEARS STORM, AND IF ANYTHING FOR THE, UH, PLANTING, UH, PLAN, THEN UH, WE WILL PROVIDE PLANTING FOR THE RAIN GARDEN SHORTLY.
SO LET ME SUMMARIZE SOME OF THAT.
SO DURING THE WORK SESSION IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO SEE IF AT THE TWO OUTFLOW POINTS, UM, ONE BY THE UPPER PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY CLOSE TO OLD ARMY ROAD AND ONE DOWN BELOW, UH, ON THE LOWER PORTION.
CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THAT PLAN FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? THANK YOU.
SO THIS IS WORKED FOR THE, IT'S FOR THE RING GARDEN.
WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT? OH, THAT'S ALL DONE.
LET SEE, LET ME SEE WHICH ONE.
THIS ONE? NO, THIS SHOULD BE NUMBER SIX.
I'M SORRY, MY COMPUTER WILL TAKE IT SLOW.
UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M GONNA TRY JUST NOT TO SEND INFORMATION.
SO AT AT THE POINT ON THE UPPER RIGHT AND DOWN KIND OF ON THE LOWER PORTION THERE WAS VEGETATION, THE BOARD ASKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE COULD BE VEGETATION ADDED AROUND THOSE OUTFLOW POINTS.
UM, AND, AND THAT IS BEING ACCOMMODATED.
FURTHERMORE, THE BOARD, IF YOU COULD MOVE TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT YOU KIND OF PANNED ACROSS BEFORE, UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO SEE IF LANDSCAPING COULD BE ADDED BETWEEN THE TWO WALLS AND ON THE HIGH SIDE, LET'S SAY, OR UPPER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE ADJACENT THREE 50 OLD ARMY ROAD PROPERTY.
AND THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A LANDSCAPE PLAN.
I HAD A FEW COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO DIVERSIFYING THE, THE EVERGREEN SPECIES, BUT, UH, THE APPLICANT'S OR THE PROJECT TEAM WAS RECEPTIVE TO THOSE COMMENTS.
ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT THAT I HAD BEFORE, IF I MAY, YEAH.
UM, AT THE WORK SESSION, THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM THE BOARD FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONSIDER IN LINE WITH THE LIMITS OF DISTURBANCE SHOWN ON THE PLANS, WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER ESTABLISHING A CONSERVATION EASEMENT AREA, UH, ACROSS, YOU KNOW, THE REAR PORTION OF THE SITE, GIVEN THE SENSITIVITY OF THE ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE NORTH, WHICH, UM, IS A CEMETERY PROPERTY WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IN SOME INSTANCES DATES BACK, UH, A HUNDRED PLUS YEARS, THAT'S TO THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY OR, OR THE PLAN SHEET I SHOULD SAY.
WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT WAS DISCUSSED WITH YOUR CLIENT? AND I DO SEE THAT MR. DIANI IS ON THE ZOOM, UH, MR. DIAG, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, YOU DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED BECAUSE WE DID NOT SEE THAT PLAN REVISION MADE OR THE COMMENT ADDRESSED AS PART OF THE, UH, NARRATIVE RESPONSE? AND I SEE MR. THE, THE MAN ON JUNE, YOU HONOR.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO AT THIS TIME SEE IF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
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YEAH, REGARDING THE, THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT EXACTLY.HOW MUCH, UH, AREA ARE YOU, WERE YOU PROPOSING WOULD BE INVOLVED? UH, SO WE TOOK AN ESTIMATE AT THE WORK SESSION THAT THE NEAREST AREA OF PROPOSED DISTURBANCE TO THE, WHAT WE'LL CALL THE REAR OR THE PLAN SHEET LEFT, UM, PROPERTY LINE WAS ABOUT 40 FEET, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.
SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR A 40 FOOT WIDE SWATH ALONG THAT REAR PROPERTY LINE TO BE ENTERED INTO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT SO THAT IT REMAIN IN ITS NATURAL STATE, NOT BE SUBJECT TO ANY, YOU KNOW, FUTURE STRUCTURES OR DISTURBANCE.
UM, IF IT WAS MORE THAN THAT, GREAT, BUT, UH, THAT WAS ROUGHLY JUST A ROUGH ESTIMATION THAT WE THOUGHT WAS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED AND RESPONDED TO, UH, BY YOUR TEAM.
I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD CONSIDER.
THE ONLY QUESTION I'VE GOT IS, UM, THERE IS A, A COMMERCIAL, UM, PARCEL THAT, UM, WAS ORIGINALLY, UH, DISCUSSED WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN ONE HOUSE.
I, THAT CONSERVATION EASEMENT WOULD NOT IMPINGE ON THAT COMMERCIAL LOT, WOULD IT? NO, IT, IT WOULD BE JUST ON, ON THIS LOT THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE BOARD RIGHT NOW? RIGHT.
I MEAN I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE WOULD, UM, WE WOULD CONSIDER.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE TURN TO THE PUBLIC? NO.
UH, THEN FIRST UP, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE TO THE PODIUM, MS. OSHA.
I'M MADELINE OSHA, CHAIRWOMAN OF THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD, ALSO KNOWN AS H AND LPB ARMENIA CURCIO VICE CHAIR AND ANNETTE PURDY, BOARD MEMBER ARE WITH ME TONIGHT.
THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD'S INTEREST IN CASE 2317 IS IN THE SAFEGUARDING OF THE TWO HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT ARE CONTIGUOUS TO ZERO OLD ARMY ROAD UNDERHILL TAVERN AT THREE 50 OLD ARMY ROAD, A PRE-REVOLUTIONARY WARHOUSE TAVERN CHURCH AND THE GREENVILLE CHURCH CEMETERY, WHERE HEADSTONES CATALOG THE FOUNDING FAMILIES OF THE EDGEMONT SECTION OF GREENBURG.
BOTH OF THESE ENTITIES APPEAR IN THE ORIGINAL LOUISE CLARK, BARBARA BUFF HISTORY OF GREENVILLE EDGEMONT.
THEY ARE ALSO LISTED IN THE LARSON FISHER SURVEY OF SIGNIFICANTLY OF SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC GREENBURG PROPERTIES AND IN OTHER HISTORY BOOKS OF PHILLIPSBURG MANOR.
THESE BOOKS ALSO REFER TO THE CONTINENTAL ARMY'S USE OF OLD ARMY ROAD AND THE CENTRAL VALLEY AS THEY TRAVEL TO MEET THE FRENCH ARMY.
CAMPED ON WHAT IS NOW SUNNINGDALE GOLF CLUB.
GREENBERG IS BOTH BLESSED AND CURSED.
THE UN INCORPORATED TOWN'S HISTORY STARTS PRE-REVOLUTION, TOUCHES EVERY CENTURY UP TO THE PRESENT.
THOSE THAT CAME BEFORE LEFT DOCUMENTATION OF THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS THROUGH BUILDINGS, HOUSES, DRY STONE, WALLS, BARNS, ALL INDICATIVE OF THE CENTURY IN WHICH THEY WERE BUILT.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, THERE IS ALMOST NO WAY TO HISTORICALLY DESIGNATE EACH AND EVERY PARCEL MENTIONED IN THE LARSON FISHER SURVEY AND THE EASTERN ARCHITECT SUPPLEMENTAL SURVEY.
SHORT OF DECLARING ALL OF UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG, A HISTORIC DISTRICT, SOME OTHER STATES HAVE RESORTED TO DECLARING ENTIRE CITIES AND VILLAGES, HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
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H AND LPB DOES THE BEST IT CAN DO TO SAFEGUARD EACH PROPERTY WHILE RE RESEARCHING ITS HISTORIC VALUE WITH A ROCK LEDGE RUNNING FROM OLD ARMY ROAD TO SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB PROPERTY ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE, IF TRIPPING OR BLASTING IS PERMITTED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, H AND LPB HAS ITS OWN CONDITIONS TO ADD TO ANY IMPOSED BY PLANNING ONE BEFORE AND AFTER VIDEOS OF UNDERHILL TAVERN, INSIDE AND OUTSIDE, TOP TO BOTTOM, ROOF TO BASEMENT AND FOUNDATION.DITTO THE CEMETERY, HEADSTONES AND BURIAL PLOTS.
TWO, ANY ARTIFACTS UNCOVERED DURING THE EARTH MOVEMENT SHOULD BE PHOTOGRAPHED WHERE IT WAS FOUND, CATALOGED AND RETAINED.
THREE, THE DEVELOPER FOR THE PERIOD OF THE BUILD SHOULD HAVE ONSITE AT HIS EXPENSE.
A QUALIFIED MONITOR APPROVED BY THE TOWN WHO WILL MAKE CERTAIN NO DAMAGE IS DONE TO THE ADJOINING HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
ANY DAMAGE INCURRED IS THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE THAT PROPERTY WHOLE AGAIN.
SINCE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS IN TOWN FOR OVER 50 YEARS, I AM CERTAIN THAT HE WILL WANT TO CLEAN UP AND MAINTAIN HIS PROPERTY ON CENTRAL AVENUE, THE PEACE WITH THE ABANDONED BUILDING AND ATLAS HOLDING UP THE WORLD.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, SO WE HAVE SOMEWHERE I I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.
SO, SO DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, SO, UM, JUST SO WE UNDERSTAND FOR FROM A PROCESS PERSPECTIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE'VE JUST HEARD A, A, A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS FROM THE HISTORIC LANDMARK AND PRESERVATION BOARD.
UH, HOW WOULD THEY ADD CONDITIONS TO, TO THE, UH, LETTER OF APPROVAL? WHAT WOULD THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? UH, SO ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD WHO HAS THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY OVER THE PROJECT, WHETHER OR NOT IT WOULD CONSIDER, UM, ANY OR ALL OF THE SUGGESTED CONDITIONS BY, UH, H AND LPB.
I WILL SAY THAT THE REQUESTS OR SUGGESTED CONDITIONS OF H AND LPB, UM, ARE SIMILAR TO CONDITIONS THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED FOR OTHER PROJECTS, UH, WITH SIMILAR SENSITIVITIES TO, UM, HISTORIC SITES AND OR STRUCTURES.
SO IT, IT'S NOT OUT OF LINE IN THAT REGARD.
AND TOWN STAFF WOULD REVIEW THOSE OTHER PROJECTS AND THEN BE ABLE TO REPORT BACK TO THIS BOARD SO THAT YOU'RE INFORMED BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO IF, IF YOU CAN SUBMIT THOSE, UH, SUGGESTED CONDITIONS TO STAFF, UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THOSE ARE CONSIDERED AS AS WE ULTIMATELY, UH, IF, IF WE APPROVE, YOU KNOW, COME TO A, TO AN APPROVAL LETTER, UM, AND WE'LL HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT AS WELL.
UH, ARE THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? ALRIGHT, MR. SCHWARTZ HERE.
SCHWARTZ, IF YOU COULD, WHEN YOU'RE DONE, CAN YOU JUST FILL OUT THE SHEET SO WE HAVE A RECORD ON IT? YES, MA'AM.
UM, I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF CONCERNS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT MADELINE'S SAYING THAT, UH, FARMHOUSE HAS BEEN THERE, OR THE TAVERN'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND, UH, I KNOW THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION AT ONE TIME WAS ACTUALLY MAKING IT HISTORICAL, UH, ACTUALLY PUT IT ON, ON THE REGISTRY.
WE DIDN'T DO IT AT THE TIME THE P BOARD TURNED IT DOWN BECAUSE, UH, IT WAS ALREADY IN CLOSING AT THE TIME.
BUT IT'S SOMETHING, IT IS A, A KIND OF A SENSITIVE SITE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
I HAVE A DIFFERENT QUESTION THOUGH.
UM, FOR THOSE OF US WHO TRAVEL OLD ARMY ON A REGULAR BASIS, I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD THAT DEFINITELY DO, UH, THAT'S A VERY WELL TRAVELED STREET.
YOU'RE NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THAT STREET.
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THAT HILL FAIRLY QUICKLY AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A DRIVEWAY GOING OUT INTO THAT STREET.I DON'T KNOW HOW WIDE THE DRIVEWAY IS.
I ASSUME THEY CAN TURN AROUND IN THE DRIVEWAY AND NOT BACK OUT INTO THE STREET, BUT I STILL THINK THAT'S QUITE DANGEROUS.
ALSO, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY AND, UH, WHAT THE GREENVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT THINKS OF THAT DRIVEWAY AS WELL.
I'D BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
UM, IN TERMS I, I SUPPORT THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO, THAT'S AN AREA THAT'S SENSITIVELY TAKING DOWN 80 TREES AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, I KNOW WE HAVE A TREE TREE REPLACEMENT PLAN, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO REPLACE TREES ON A HILL.
THE CHANCES OF THEM, UH, REALLY BEING VITAL, AND THOSE ARE OLD TREES, I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY VERY STRONG TREES THAT ARE THERE.
I'M SURE THERE'S SOME, SOME THAT AREN'T.
BUT I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK EVERY LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN, UH, THE TOWN OF GREENBURG NEEDS TO BE BUILT UPON.
THAT'S MY HONEST OPINION OF THIS.
AND I'M VERY CONCERNED, AGAIN, ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE LENGTH OF THE DRIVEWAY, AND I BELIEVE IN TERMS OF BLASTING AND SHIPPING, WE DO HAVE EXCELLENT, UH, LAWS IN, IN GREENBERG AND CONTROLS ON THAT IN MONITORING THAT.
SO I'M NOT AS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT HAPPENING.
BUT THE OTHER THINGS I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT AS WELL AS, AS GREENBURG POLICE WOULD, WOULD REVIEW THIS AS A MATTER OF COURSE.
UM, COULD YOU SUMMARIZE THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION? YES.
SO I'LL START WITH, UH, GREENBURG POLICE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY.
UH, THE APPLICANT HAD COORDINATED AND PROPOSED TO CITE THE DRIVEWAY, UH, TO THE FURTHEST EXTENT AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION AS POSSIBLE.
UM, GREENBURG POLICE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY EXPRESSED, UH, UM, COMMENTS RELATED TO KEEPING THE SITE TRIANGLES FREE AND CLEAR FROM ANY OBSTRUCTIONS, WHETHER IT BE, UH, VEGETATION OR STONE WALLS OR, UH, MONUMENTS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, SO THAT WOULD LIKELY BECOME A CONDITION OF ANY DECISION BY THIS BOARD.
WITH RESPECT TO THE GREENVILLE FIRE DISTRICT REVIEW, UH, WE DID HAVE SEPARATE MEETINGS BETWEEN THE PROJECT TEAM, TOWN STAFF, AND THE DISTRICT.
AND ONE OF THE REQUESTS WAS THAT THE DRIVEWAY BE WIDENED TO PERMIT, UM, AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT IS A LENGTHY DRIVEWAY.
IN THE EVENT THERE WAS A VEHICLE PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY, THEY WOULD HAVE SPACE TO GET AROUND THAT VEHICLE, AND THAT WAS ACCOMMODATED BY AN UPDATE TO THE PROJECT PLAN.
YEAH, I, I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT ON THE ORIGINAL, UH, SUBMISSION.
THAT AGAIN, INCLUDED THREE HOUSES INSTEAD OF ONE AND, AND A A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENTLY DESIGNED DRIVEWAY.
AND, UM, IT WAS THE FEEDBACK FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT THAT ULTIMATELY RESULTED IN, IN THIS PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF US.
UM, ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM THAT I, OH, PLEASE, IF YOU CAN STATE YOUR, YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND ADDRESS.
AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE? THREE 80 OLD ARMY ROAD.
UM, I'M JUST LEARNING ABOUT THIS PROJECT RECENTLY, SO I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT, WHAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW HAS BEEN DONE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I'VE LIVED IN THREE EIGHT OLD DUMMY ROAD, WHICH IS PROBABLY TWO HOUSES AWAY FROM, UM, FOR, I MEAN, BEEN AWAY AND CAME BACK.
AND THE FLOODING IS JUST SO MUCH WORSE, LIKE EVER SINCE THERE'S JUST SO MUCH MORE DRIVEWAY AND IMPERVIOUS, YOU KNOW, GOING UP TO THE TRACK AND SOUNDS LIKE NOW THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER HUGE DRIVEWAY.
HAS, HAS THAT BEEN LOOKED INTO? SO I CAN SPEAK TO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT.
SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THE TOWN HAS, UH, I'M SORRY.
ARE THOSE ALL YOUR COMMENTS OR POTEN? YEAH, SO, SO IF YOU WANNA ASK ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS, THEN, THEN WE CAN RESPOND TO THEM ALL AT ONCE.
UM, AND THEN ALSO FOR THE WILDLIFE, LIKE NOW WE HAVE COYOTES AND DEERS, YOU KNOW, DEER BEING CHASED BY CO COYOTES IN OUR BACKYARD.
WHAT IF WE'RE REMOVING ALL THESE TREES? WHERE, WHERE'S THE WILDLIFE GOING? OKAY, SO, SO, UH, WATER RUNOFF AND FLOODING AND WILDLIFE.
SO THE TOWN HAS REGULATIONS WITHIN ITS CODE, UH, RELATED TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO ADDRESS ANY POTENTIAL OFFSITE IMPACTS, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED, YOU KNOW, AND UNFORTUNATELY THEIR ENGINEER IS NOT ON, ALTHOUGH HE MAY HAVE JUST JOINED WITH THAT.
SAID, I'LL, I'LL STILL ANSWER THE QUESTION.
CHAPTER 2 48 OF THE TOWN CODE IS
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OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UM, CHAPTER, WHICH THE APPLICANT'S REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH.THEY NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THROUGH THE USAGE IN THIS CASE OF UNDERGROUND SYSTEMS THAT THEY CAN STORE ANY WATER THAT WOULD BE RUNNING OFF EITHER THE DRIVEWAY OR THE NEW HOME OR ANY ASSOCIATED PATIO OR DECKING INTO A SYSTEM, RATHER THAN IT JUST RUN OFF THE SITE AND ONTO DOWN SLOPE PROPERTIES.
SO THEY HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT HAS TO BE REVIEWED BY THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING.
IT HAS PRELIMINARILY BEEN REVIEWED BY THE TOWN ENGINEER.
THIS BOARD AS PART OF THE WORK SESSION, AND OFTEN ON JUST ABOUT EVERY PROJECT THESE DAYS ASKS APPLICANTS IF THEY CAN GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS TO DESIGN FOR A 25 YEAR STORM EVENT.
UM, AS WE'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN MORE INTENSE AND FREQUENT RAIN EVENTS OR STORM EVENTS THAT EXCEED THAT 25 YEAR.
WE'VE HAD 100 YEAR STORMS, WHICH ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN ONCE IN A HUNDRED YEARS, HAPPEN ONCE EVERY FEW YEARS IN SOME INSTANCES.
UM, THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTED IN THIS CASE IF THEY COULD GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE 25 YEAR STORM EVENT, AND THEY DID RESPOND THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DESIGN A SYSTEM THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE 50 YEAR STORM EVENT, UM, WHICH IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT CAN BE A REQUEST OR AN ASK OF THE BOARD, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT AND THEY WANTED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST.
SO THEY DID MAKE THAT REVISION.
WITH RESPECT TO TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, ANY DEVELOPMENT ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DISRUPT, YOU KNOW, EXISTING WILDLIFE AND OBVIOUSLY, UH, ON A WOODED SITE INVOLVE TREE REMOVALS.
UM, THAT IS KIND OF AN UNAVOIDABLE IMPACT OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT THERE ARE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT.
SO THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS THAT IT CAN CALL UPON AND HAVE REVIEWED BY PROFESSIONAL STAFF AS WELL AS ITSELF IS ITSELF BEFORE IT MOVES ON OR TOWARDS A DECISION ON THIS PROJECT.
SO THAT'S OUTLINED IN CHAPTER 2 45 OF OUR TOWN CODE AND OUR TOWN TREE ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWO 60 OF THE TOWN CODE.
WITH RESPECT TO OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS, UM, PRELIMINARILY THIS PROJECT UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT QUALIFIES AS A TYPE TWO ACTION, UM, WHICH BASICALLY INDICATES THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT ON A SITE OF THIS NATURE IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO RESULT IN ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
SUBJECT TO THE REG RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE MUNICIPALITY THAT I'VE KIND OF OUTLINED FOR YOU IN CONNECTION WITH THE TOWN ENGINEER REVIEWING DRAINAGE, WE HAVE A TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER THAT REVIEWS THE TREE REMOVAL AND LANDSCAPING, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT'S REVIEWED WHERE THE NEW CURB CUTS GOING TO GO, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF EMERGENCY ACCESS, UH, OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE OR DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE VARIANCES.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT THAT REVIEWS THE ROCK REMOVAL PROPOSED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS.
SO AT THE WORK SESSION, THE BOARD ASKED IF THE APPLICANT WAS AWARE OF THE MEANS AND METHODS THAT IT WOULD USE TO REMOVE ROCK, AND THEY BELIEVED THAT THEY WOULD POSSIBLY PURSUE ROCK BLASTING OVER ROCK CHIPPING BECAUSE IT'S A MUCH QUICKER PROCESS.
UM, WITH THAT WE HAVE VERY STRINGENT PROTOCOLS AND REQUIREMENTS IN OUR TOWN CODE FOR WHAT NEEDS TO BE STUDIED AND SURVEYED OFFSITE TO ENSURE, UM, THAT THERE'S A RECORD OF LET'S SAY AN ADJACENT STRUCTURE AND WHAT CONDITIONS IT, WHAT CONDITION IT IS PRESENTLY IN BEFORE THE BLASTING, JUST IN CASE THERE WAS SOMETHING TO OCCUR, UH, DURING THE BLASTING PHASE.
UM, I THINK THEY WERE PURSUING THE BLASTING RATHER THAN ROCK CHIPPING BECAUSE THERE IS A BUNCH OF ROCK ON THE SITE AND THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE A HAMMER OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME, WHICH IS QUITE DISRUPTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY.
I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS.
ARE THERE GONNA BE OTHER, IF YOU CAN SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, ARE THERE GONNA BE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN COMMENTS AND PROVIDE OR ASK QUESTIONS? SO ULTIMATELY, UH, THE BOARD MAY DECIDE TONIGHT THEY'RE EITHER GONNA DECIDE TO CLOSE THE HEARING AND LEAVE THE RECORD WRITTEN RECORD OPEN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, OR THEY'RE GOING TO
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ADJOURN THE HEARING AND HAVE ANOTHER HEARING SIMILAR TO THIS AT A FUTURE DATE.REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO, UM, I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH YOU AND IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR WANT TO MEET EITHER IN PERSON OR THROUGH VIDEO CONFERENCE TO KIND OF GO A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH INTO THE PLANS AND, AND WHAT THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON ZOOM, UH, MR. WHEELER.
I WOULD HAVE ONLY RECENTLY BECOME AWARE THAT THIS HAD PROGRESSED THIS FAR, UM, WHEN WE RECENTLY GOT THE, UH, THE TREE REMOVAL NOTICE, I, I GUESS THE PREVIOUS NOTICES WE MORE ABOUT THE SITE AND WOULD'VE GONE TO THE ACTUAL HOUSE.
BUT, UM, WE ACTUALLY OWN THREE 50 OLD ARMY.
UM, AND, UH, UNDERSTOOD THAT AT LAST THIS, THE BIG ISSUE WAS THE TRAFFIC AT THE, AT OLD ARMY ROAD AND THAT THE SITE LINE FOR THE PROPERTY WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY ACHIEVE.
UM, WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WHAT HE PROPOSED WOULD REALLY CUT INTO THREE 50 OLD ARMY QUITE A BIT TO IMPROVE HIS SIGHT LINE.
AN OLD ARMY THREE 50 OLD ARMY IS ONLY 11 FEET FROM THE ACTUAL STREET, SO WE HADN'T REALLY AGREED TO ANYTHING.
AND WE CAN SEE IN PREVIOUS SUBMISSIONS THEY SAID WE HAD AN AGREEMENT, BUT, UH, CLEARLY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO PULL OUT OF THAT, UH, ROAD INTO OLD ARMY WOULD BE FERRY.
IT'S TRICKY TO PULL OUT A THREE 50 OLD ARMY, SO WE CAN'T IMAGINE BEING CLOSER TO THE, UH, THE STREET LIGHT AND TO ACTUALLY SEE ONCOMING TRAFFIC AS IT'S COMING, I GUESS TOWARDS THE STREET LIGHT WOULD BE DIFFICULT WITHOUT REMOVING SOME STONE WALLS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THERE THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR, WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG.
UM, SO AT THIS STAGE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN AGREE.
IS A SITE LINE, IS THAT STILL A REQUIREMENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT? I, I'M SORRY, I HAVEN'T BEEN FOLLOWING.
SO THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST QUESTION.
AND IF YOU COULD GO THROUGH YOUR ENTIRE, UH, LIST OF QUESTIONS OKAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST.
AND THEN WE, WE LOOKED AT THE SURVEY WITH THE TREES AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SURVEY OF OUR PROPERTY THAT WAS DONE IN 2023, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE SITE SUBMISSION THAT, UH, WAS MADE EARLIER.
SUBMISSIONS MENTIONED THE ROCK ROLL WALLS WOULD BE DEMOLISHED ACCORDING TO OUR SITE PLAN.
WE ACTUALLY OWN OR HAVE THE SITE, THE STONEWALL ON OUR SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY LINE.
UM, AND SO WHEN WE LOOK FURTHER AT THE PROPOSAL, EVEN OF THE 87 TREES, WE BELIEVE SOME ARE ACTUALLY ON OUR PROPERTY.
UM, SO WE WERE WONDERING IF THE TOWN HAD AN OLD HISTORIC SORT OF, UH, SURVEY THAT THEY COULD CROSS REFERENCE WITH THE ACTUAL SUBMISSION FROM THE DEVELOPER OR SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY DISCUSS WITH THE DEVELOPER WHERE THE SITE LINE ACTUALLY IS, UH, OR NOT THE SITE LINE, THE PROPERTY LINE IS.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD CONCERN US IS THEY'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO TAKE DOWN SOME OF OUR TREES.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS EVENTUALLY CONSTRUCTION, UH, AS SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED THAT THREE 50 OLD ARMY IS CONSIDERED A HISTORIC BUILDING BY SEVERAL, UM, WE WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THE, THE ENTRY TO THE ROAD IS SO CLOSE TO THREE 50 OLD ARMY.
I GUESS THAT'S TO KEEP IT AWAY FROM THE STOPLIGHT, BUT, UM, WITH THE BLASTING AND THE, AND THE ROCK RIDGE, I, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT ROAD SHOULD BE MOVED, EVEN IF IT WAS MOVED THREE OR FOUR FEET IN, THAT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IN HOW MUCH ROCK WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED, WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION.
SO THOSE ARE OUR, OUR CONCERNS.
THE MAJOR ONE BEING WE'RE NOT SURE THE SUBMISSION IS CORRECT WITH THE, THE TREES OR THE, WHERE THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINE IS.
ALRIGHT, THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
UM, WE ARE JOINED BY, BY MR. OLI, SO I I WILL ASK HIM TO RESPOND TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
YEAH, GOOD EVENING HONOR TO THE BOARD.
UH, SORRY I COULDN'T BE THERE ACTUALLY AT A DIFFERENT MEETING THAT I JUST RECENTLY GOT OUT.
UM, SO IN REGARDS TO THE, THE SITE DISTANCES, WE DID ORIGINALLY PROPOSE A FOUR
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LOT SUBDIVISION, THEN WENT DOWN TO A THREE LOT SUBDIVISION AS PART OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.WE HAD SUBMIT, UH, SITE DISTANCE ANALYSIS, UH, FOR PULLING OUT AT THE SAME LOCATION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY PROPOSING.
AND IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE TRAFFIC CONTROL COMMITTEE, UH, AND DETERMINED THAT, UH, THERE WAS NO ISSUES, UH, WITH SIGHT LINES AT THE CURB CUT OKAY.
WHERE WE WERE CURRENTLY PULLING OUT.
IN ADDITION, WE SPOKE TO THE POLICE, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF WHO ALSO EVALUATED WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS SUFFICIENT ACCIDENT OR ANYTHING IN THE AREA THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE OF CONCERN FOR THE CURB CUT LOCATION.
AND HE DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY CONCERNS, UH, WITH WHERE THE CURB CUT WAS.
SO THAT THAT ADDRESSES THE, THE WHERE WE STAND IN TERMS OF SIGHT LINE, UM, AS FAR AS THE SURVEY GOES AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE REMOVING TREES ON HIS PROPERTY.
WE HIRED A PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYOR WHO PROVIDED US A SURVEY LOCATED ALL THE TREES, AND WE'RE RELYING ON HIS PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE TO DETERMINE THAT OR TO, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PROPERTY LINES ARE ACCURATE AND THE TREE LOCATIONS ARE ACCURATE.
UH, YOU KNOW, MR. WHEELER CAN CERTAINLY HIRE HIS OWN PROFESSIONAL TO, UH, COMBAT THAT AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE ANYTHING, UH, IF HE NEEDS US, UH, ON THAT END.
BUT THAT'S ALL WE REALLY HAVE TO GO OFF OF IN TERMS OF TREE LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THE DRIVEWAY WAS VERY, THE SITE GETS VERY STEEP AS YOU GO TOWARD OLD ARMY ROAD, OH, I'M SORRY, CENTRAL AVENUE, UM, WHICH REALLY CREATES DIFFICULTIES ENTERING THE SITE DUE TO DRIVEWAY SLOPE AND THE NEED FOR LARGE RETAINING WALLS AS YOU ENTER.
I MEAN, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE THE SAME, BUT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AT THE SUBDIVISION, THERE WAS WALLS LIKE 12 FEET HIGH TO, YOU KNOW, GET A ROAD BIG ENOUGH TO, YOU KNOW, FIT THREE LOTS AND IT REALLY JUST BECAME A, A LITTLE BIT MUCH, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU WITH ONE HOME.
UH, BUT YOU KNOW, IT IN TERMS OF JUST TRANSITION FROM ROADWAY, UH, EASE OF ACCESS TO THE SITE, WE DID A LOT OF ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF CURB CUT LOCATION AND, AND ACCESS TO THE HOME.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY THE BEST CASE SCENARIO FOR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THE SLIDE.
AND I BELIEVE THOSE WERE THE THREE ITEMS MR. WHEELER.
HAD, HAD YOU, UH, HAD YOU BEEN IN TOUCH WITH MR. WHEELER PRIOR TO TONIGHT? I, I DIDN'T REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME, BUT IF YOU'RE STANDING WITH YOUR BACK TO CENTRAL AT TO OLD ARMY ROAD, LOOKING AT THE VACANT LOT, THE HOME TO THE RIGHT, WE DID SIT DOWN AND HAVE A MEETING.
YEAH, I, I, SO, SO I GUESS MY, MY ONLY REQUEST OR ENCOURAGEMENT WOULD BE TO, TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH THEM.
ULTIMATELY, THE, TO YOUR POINT, THE, THE PROPERTY LINE DISPUTE IS, IS REALLY A PRIVATE MATTER BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU.
UM, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE TWO OF YOU TO HAVE A DIALOGUE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE COMFORTING TO KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN WORKED OUT BEFORE, UM, BEFORE AT LEAST A CONVERSATION THAT OCCURRED BEFORE THIS NEXT COMES IN FRONT OF US.
YEAH, I'M, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT MR. WHEELER, IF YOU, UH, YEAH.
AND I, I WILL SAY WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SURVEY, I'M HOLDING IT IN MY HAND.
THAT WAS DONE IN 2023 BY SUMMIT LAND SURVEYING.
I BELIEVE WE PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED YOU WITH A COPY OF THIS ELECTRONICALLY, SO YEAH.
WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHERE THE LINE IS.
AND, AND SO THE TWO OF YOU, THIS IS REALLY, THIS IS REALLY A CONVERSATION THAT THAT SHOULD OCCUR BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU, NOT YEAH.
I'D ENCOURAGE YOU BOTH TO, TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
UH, I DID HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, PLEASE.
UM, MR. CACHI, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON THE ZOOM WHEN THIS CAME UP, BUT, UH, AT THE WORK SESSION, THE PLANNING BOARD ASKED IF COULD HE GIVE INTO A CONSERVATION EASEMENT THE REAR PORTION OF THE PROPERTY OR PLAN SHEET LEFT.
UM, I BROUGHT THAT UP THIS EVENING.
IT SEEMS LIKE MR. DIANI, UH, IS OPEN TO EXPLORING THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS EXPLORED AT ALL SINCE THE WORK SESSION, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR BACK, UH, FROM YOU AND MR. DOMANI, YOU KNOW, IN WRITTEN FORM.
YEAH, WE, WE CAN, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ENTERTAIN.
I DO HAVE TO SPEAK TO MR. EGNEY ABOUT IT TO CONFIRM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT BEING USED.
WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE TREES BACK THERE.
SO I REALLY, I, I DON'T SEE HOW IT CAN BECOME OF USE EVEN IN THE FUTURE AT
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THIS POINT AFTER A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS.SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER.
SO THEN WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND AT THIS POINT IS THAT WE ADJOURN THIS PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL OUR SEPTEMBER 2ND MEETING TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH, UM, MR. DIANI ABOUT THIS DIANI, ABOUT THIS CONSERVATION EASEMENT.
AND THEN, UH, WE, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 2ND.
MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT WOULD BE TO, UM, AS A FOLLOW UP TO MY EMAIL TO COMBINE THE TWO KIND OF DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING PLANS ONTO ONE SHEET FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE TO SEE THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING IN TOTALITY.
AND WE WOULD ASK THAT BE DONE WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
I ACTUALLY THINK WE DID IT AND, UH, SHARON, I WOULD SHOW YOU, BUT I'LL, I WOULD SEND YOU A COPY.
TELL ME IF IT'S, THAT'D BE GREAT.
ALRIGHT, SO IT IS, IT IS NOW 9 32.
SO HERE, HERE IS WHAT I, UM, WILL SUGGEST.
I'M GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR, FOR A QUICK BATHROOM BREAK.
SO, SO WE'LL, WE'LL ADJOURN THIS IN A MOMENT FOR, FOR FIVE MINUTES.
UM, CONSIDERING THE LATE HOUR, AND I KNOW THAT THERE IS, THERE ONE HAD BEEN REQUESTS, I'LL, I'LL READ A STATEMENT WHEN WE COME BACK, BUT THERE HAD BEEN THE RE THE REQUEST AND SUGGESTION THAT CONSIDERING IT IS AUGUST THAT WE HOLD THE KEEP THIS DISCUSSION OPEN UNTIL SEPTEMBER AND GIVEN THE LATE HOUR, UH, I ESPECIALLY THINK THAT THAT THAT IS PRUDENT.
SO WE WILL TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
UM, EITHER I CAN PUT A TIME LIMIT OR PEOPLE CAN SPEAK FOR AS LONG AS THEY WANT, BUT THE MEETING WILL END AT 10 O'CLOCK.
AND SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE A A SEVEN MINUTE LIMIT TO EVERYONE, JUST SO EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UH, AND AGAIN, FOR THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK OR HAVE MORE TO SAY, WE WILL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION AT, UH, ON, ON SEPTEMBER 2ND.
BUT I WILL, UH, ADJOURN THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, OR SORRY, AMANDA, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE ONE THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL AGAIN? WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE MOTION THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DO ROLL CALL AGAIN ONCE WE RETURN YOU? JUST TAKE A BRIEF RECESS.
WE WILL TAKE A RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.
I WILL BRING THE PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC DISCUSSION BACK TO ORDER.
UM, SO NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS, SORRY, NOW I'VE LOST MY PLACE.
UH, NEXT UP ON THE AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER TB 25 0 4, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS, WHICH INCLUDES BOTH A ZONING TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS AS REFERRED TO US FROM THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, THIS PUBLIC DISCUSSION IS A CONTINUATION OF THE CHAPTER 2 85 ZONING MAP AND ZONING MAP TEXT AMENDMENTS.
UH, THE DISCUSSION OF THE PLANNING BOARD OPENED FIRST ON JULY 15TH.
AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HEARD HELPFUL COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE AMENDMENTS AND RELATED PROCESS.
AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE TONIGHT.
UH, PUBLIC DISCUSSION COMMENT WILL INFORM AND SUPPLEMENT THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD AS A PLANNING BOARD.
I EXPECT US TO INCLUDE ANY SUBSTANTIVE PUBLIC DISCUSSION COMMENTS THAT WE FEEL WILL LEAD TO A STRONGER CHAPTER 2 85 UPDATE TO BE INCLUDED IN OUR RECOMMENDATION PROCESS WISE.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO LISTEN AND ASK QUESTIONS IF ANY OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE UNCLEAR TONIGHT WITH WITHIN THE, THE TIME THAT WE HAVE REMAINING.
UH, AS THE PUBLIC HAS INDICATED CONCERNED THAT THE DISCUSSIONS ARE HELD ONLY IN JULY AUGUST, THE SUMMER MONTHS, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT WILL BE FOR US TO LEAVE THE DISCUSSION OPEN, UH, TO OUR SEPTEMBER 2ND MEETING, UH, AFTER THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, UH, IF, IF IT ENDS UP BEING AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, WHENEVER THE BOARD IS COMFORTABLE DOING SO, WE'LL WORK WITH TOWN STAFF TO HAVE TO HAVE PREPARED A REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UH, THIS COORDINATION WITH STAFF WILL INVOLVE OUR FINDINGS, PART OF WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE PUBLIC INPUT.
UH, WHEN THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION IS CLOSED, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN LEAVE THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN FOR A PERIOD.
UH, AND, AND WE WILL CONSIDER THAT, UH, IF WE CLOSE AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
UH, I ANTICIPATE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS TO REVIEW AND REFINE THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC.
THE TOWN BOARD WILL ALSO HOLD ITS OWN PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN THE SUGGESTION THAT WE BREAK UP DISCUSSIONS IN THE TOPICS.
I KNOW THAT THERE HAS BEEN THE SUGGESTION TO HAVE COPIES OF 2 85 AVAILABLE AT THE LIBRARY AND IN, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE IN TOWN HALL AND OTHER PLACES.
UM, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY I THINK THAT WHILE THOSE ARE, ARE GOOD CONSIDERATIONS TO CONSIDER, UM, THOSE ARE LIKELY BETTER
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SUGGESTIONS FOR THE TOWN BOARD AS THE TOWN BOARD IS THE LEAD AGENCY, UH, AND REALLY THE THE APPROPRIATE VENUE, UM, FOR, FOR DEEPER PUBLIC INPUT.UM, YOU KNOW, HERE AT THE PLANNING BOARD, WE, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, IT'LL BE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD.
UM, BUT THE TOWN BOARD WILL BE THE FINAL DECISION MAKER.
UM, AND SO WE DO HAVE A BALANCE THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER.
UM, YOU KNOW, CREATING THE VERY BEST RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD WHILE ALSO ENSURING THAT WITHIN THE, THE LIMITED HOURS THAT WE HAVE IN A MONTH, UM, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE OTHER APPLICATIONS FORWARD AND ULTIMATELY MOVE, UH, THE WORK OF THE TOWN FORWARD.
UH, SO WE HAVE SIX INDIVIDUALS SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
UM, IF THE BOARD WILL IS WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO GIVE EACH SPEAKER FIVE MINUTES.
THAT'LL BRING US A LITTLE BIT OVER 10 MINUTES OR A LITTLE BIT OVER 10 O'CLOCK.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IF ANYONE HAS MORE TO SAY OR, OR NEW INFORMATION TO SAY, WE WILL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION ON SEPTEMBER 2ND.
UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, FIRST DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY MAGANA, CAN YOU CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER? UH, FIRST SPEAKER IS MR. YUJI.
ONE THING I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION, IF I MAY, TYPICAL WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS, IF YOU'RE COMING UP TO THE MIC AND THE PERSON BEFORE YOU OR TWO BEFORE YOU HAPPENS TO TAKE SOME OF YOUR THUNDER, YOU'RE FREE TO INDICATE THAT YOU AGREE WITH CERTAIN POINTS MADE BY THE PRIOR SPEAKER.
YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY FIRST TONIGHT, SO MAY NOT APPLY, BUT JUST FOR THE BENEFIT.
UH, MY WIFE AND I LIVE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO AND DOWNHILL FROM THE KNOWLES, THE TOWN'S ONLY CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY, WHICH HAS A PENDING APPLICATION TO ADD 74 UNITS.
WE AND OUR ATTORNEY HAVE RAISED SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THIS APPLICATION COMPLIES WITH THE EXISTING ZONING CODE.
NOW WE SEE THOSE SAME ISSUES REFLECTED IN PROPOSED CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD CURE ASPECTS OF THE APPLICATION OR MAKE IT MORE COMPLIANT.
I WANNA FOCUS TONIGHT ON A BROADER PROBLEM THAT THE KNOWLES REVIEW HAS EXPOSED AND HOW CHAPTER 2 85 SHOULD BE IMPROVED TO ADDRESS IT.
CHAPTER 2 85 NEEDS MORE MEAT AND MORE TEETH WHEN APPLICANTS SUBMIT INACCURATE, INCOMPLETE, OR MISLEADING INFORMATION PLANNING.
AND TOWN BOARDS CAN ONLY MAKE SOUND DECISIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN THE FACTS PLACED BEFORE THEM ARE COMPLETE, ACCURATE, AND TRUTHFUL.
THE PUBLIC ALSO DEPENDS ON THE INFORMATION SUPPLIED BY THE APPLICANT'S DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IN OUR VIEW, THE KNOWLES RECORD CONTAINS FAR MORE THAN STRONG ADVOCACY OR SINGLE INADVERTENT ERROR WHEN TAKEN TOGETHER.
WE BELIEVE THE EXAMPLES SHOW A SERIOUS PATTERN.
I'M NOT RAISING THESE EXAMPLES SIMPLY TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ONE APPLICATION.
I'M RAISING THEM BECAUSE THE CODE SHOULD BE EQUIPPED TO ADDRESS THIS TYPE OF PATTERN IN ANY APPLICATION.
THE PROJECT WAS FORMALLY INTRODUCED BY THE KNOWLES AS 41,240 SQUARE FOOT EDITION.
WHEN THAT NUMBER WAS ONLY THE FOOTPRINT, THE ACTUAL PROPOSED FLOOR AREA OF THEIR MULTI-STORY BUILDING WAS SEVERAL TIMES LARGER.
THE SMALLER INCORRECT NUMBER WAS ENTERED INTO PUBLIC RECORD, AND IT WAS REPEATED IN THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION.
IT REQUIRED RE NOTICING BY THE TOWN.
A CONNECTED FIVE STORY BUILDING WAS DESCRIBED AS FIVE STORY BUILDING WAS DESCRIBED AS TWO SEPARATE SMALLER BUILDINGS, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CONNECTED ON THREE FLOORS, UPPER FLOORS WERE DESCRIBED AS HALF STORIES WHEN THEY ARE FULL STORIES, LOWER EAVES LOCATED OVER THE STAIRWELL, STAIRWELLS ONLY WERE USED IN CALCULATING BUILDING HEIGHT.
RENDERINGS SHOWED LANDSCAPING AFTER SEVEN TO 10 YEARS OF GROWTH IN FULL BLOOM WITHOUT EXPLANATION, RATHER THAN SHOWING EXISTING CONDITIONS OR REALISTIC NEAR TERM, FAR DUE SCREENING OF JUVENILE PLANTINGS.
THE NEARBY APPROVED BRIGHTVIEW SENIOR, UH, LIVING FACILITY WAS OPEN AND INCLUDED IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
IT WAS NOT OPEN, NOT EVEN BROKEN GROUND.
DESPITE THE LATE SAME LEGAL TEAM BEING DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN BRIGHT VIEW'S APPROVALS.
AND WE KEEP DISCOVERING MORE, THESE ARE NOT PER PER PERIPHERAL DETAILS.
THEY CONCERN THE PROJECT'S ACTUAL SIZE, HEIGHT, STORY ZONING, COMPLIANCE, AND IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
IF THE PROJECT HAD BEEN PRESENTED FULLY AND ACCURATELY FROM THE BEGINNING, THE PLANNING BOARD CLEARLY MAY HAVE REACHED DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT IS WHY THE CODE NEEDS TO ADDRESS SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE A CONTINUING DUTY TO PROVIDE COMPLETE AND ACCURATE INFORMATION.
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A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON MATERIALLY INACCURATE INFORMATION SHOULD NOT SIMPLY CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD.A SINGLE GOOD FAITH MISTAKE CAN BE CORRECTED.
STRONG ADVOCACY IS EXPECTED, BUT IF A REVIEWING BOARD ENCOUNTERS A REPEATED PATTERN, THEN IT NEEDS MEANINGFUL RECOURSE.
THE BURDEN SHOULD NOT FALL ON THE PUBLIC TO AUDIT AN APPLICANT'S PLANS.
IT IS THE FOUNDATION OF DUE PROCESS FOR THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC.
THE PROPER RESPONSE TO A PROBLEMATIC APPLICATION WITH NUMEROUS INACCURACIES AND MISLEADING STATEMENTS IS NOT TO REWRITE THE CODE AROUND IT.
THE PROPER RESPONSE IS TO STRENGTHEN THE CODE TO REQUIRE ACCURACY AND MEANINGFUL CONSEQUENCES FOR MATERIAL MISREPRESENTATIONS.
NO, APPLICANT SHOULD GAIN AN ADVANTAGE BY PRESENTING A PROJECT AS SMALLER, LOWER, OR MORE COMPLIANT THAN IT ACTUALLY IS.
PLEASE ADD PROVISIONS TO THE CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, NOT JUST FOR THE KNOWLES, BUT FOR EVERY FUTURE APPLICATION THAT COMES BEFORE THE TOWN.
WE, THE PEOPLE OF THE TOWN ARE RELYING ON YOU.
UH, NEXT PERSON IS MR. SCHWARTZ, YOU SCHWARTZ EDMONT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE FIRST ABOUT PROCESS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND I WOULDN'T WANNA BREAK THIS THING UP GIVEN HOW MUCH TIME YOU'RE SPENDING ON THIS PROJECT.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THOUGH, IS CONSIDERING YOUR RECOMMENDATION, CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE TOWN BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER SEPARATELY.
I, I, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY I WOULD HANDLE THAT.
AND I'LL BE VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE MARIJUANA LAW.
ALTHOUGH I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS IN, IN THE ZONING CODE.
I DO THINK IT'S CONTROVERSIAL AMONGST SOME PEOPLE.
I HAD SOMEBODY COME UP TO ME LAST WEEK AND SAY, OH MY GOD, IT'S, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? CENTRAL AVENUE.
AGAIN, UH, SO I THINK PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT, AND I WOULDN'T BURY IT WITH WITHIN THAT.
CHARGING STATIONS, I THINK CHARGING STATIONS WE'RE GOING ABOUT THIS THE WRONG WAY.
WE WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING STRATEGICALLY AT WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FREE CHARGING STATION AND A CHARGING STATION, WHICH IS REPLACING A GA A A, A FUEL PUMP AS TO WHERE THEY SHOULD GO.
AND I THINK, AGAIN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES A LOT MORE THOUGHT THAN, THAN REALLY HAS BEEN GIVEN IN THIS PARTICULAR, IN THE CODE ITSELF.
NOW, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES, SCARY, SCARY SUBJECT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE BEING TREATED LIKE THEY'RE CLEAN ENERGY AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT.
THEY'RE ONLY CLEAN ENERGY IF THEY'RE TIED TO A CLEAN ENERGY SOURCE LIKE, UH, UH, WIND OR, OR, UH, SOLAR.
AND, UH, EXPANDING THOSE, GIVEN THE DANGER OF THOSE THINGS IS, IS REALLY SOMETHING WE COULD NEED TO CONSIDER STRATEGICALLY, WHICH WE ACTUALLY DID IN THIS TOWN AND WROTE THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE, MOST, REALLY THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE CODE IN, IN THE STATE ON THAT.
AND BEFORE I'D MOVE AGAIN, I WOULD SEPARATE THAT ONE OUT.
THE SET, THE LAST ONE IS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.
THAT WAS SEPARATED OUT TOO, BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST WROTE THE CODE, AND I WAS, I WAS PART OF IT, WE ACTUALLY INVITED EVERYBODY TO COME INTO GREENBURG AND WE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM IN GREENBURG, AND WE REALIZED TOO MANY OF THEM, AND THEY WERE GETTING TO BE TOO CONCENTRATED.
AND, UH, WE ACTUALLY REVISED THE CODE BASED ON THAT.
SO BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT CHANGE, AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BEYOND THE KNOLLS.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT ACROSS EVERYTHING.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT BE SET, BE SEPARATED OUT.
I THINK THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IN THE PROCESS IS THE FACT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TWO THINGS AT ONCE.
YOU'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE CODE, WHICH I THINK, I THINK GARRETT AND STAFF HAS DONE A FANTASTIC, NOT YOU, AARON, I KNOW YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO DO THIS, BUT SERIOUSLY, GARRETT AND STAFF HAD DONE A FANTASTIC JOB IN CLEANING UP THE CODE.
THAT, AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
MOVE AHEAD, RECOMMEND STRONGLY ON THE CLEANUP THINGS, BUT SOME OF THESE MORE STRATEGIC THINGS NEED TO BE SEPARATED OUT.
THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION ON THOSE THINGS.
UM, ISSUES THAT I THINK NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON, THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY.
I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DEFINE FAMILY, BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT FAMILY, AND I THINK SOMEBODY MAY SPEAK ABOUT THIS IN MORE DETAIL, DO YOU REALIZE THAT ONE OF THE PARAMETERS IN THE INFANT WOULDN'T BE FAMILY BECAUSE THEY
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HAVEN'T LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR A YEAR, EVEN IF YOU INCLUDE GESTATION, THEY HAVEN'T LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR A YEAR.SO I GUESS INFANTS AREN'T FAMILY, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, THIS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
IT'S A VERY, VERY HARD THING TO DEFINE.
AND I KNOW THE CONSTITUTION, NEW YORK STATE CONSTITUTION MAKES IT EVEN MORE DIFFICULT.
UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, UM, AGAIN, ASTROTURF TURF IS NOT A PERVIOUS SURFACE.
IT IS AN IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND SHOULD BE NOT BE COUNTED AS A PERVIOUS SURFACE.
UM, I'VE EXPRESSED THAT, UH, BELOW MARKET HOUSING REALLY IS 40 TO 80%, NOT 60 TO 80%.
AGAIN, UM, SECTION EIGHT HOUSING ONLY GOES UP TO 40% A MI.
UM, I LOVE WHAT THE NEW DEFINITION OF FAST FOOD.
I THINK IT'S MUCH EASIER AND SIMPLER AND MAKES MORE SENSE.
UM, THE TR ZONE, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THE TR ZONE.
HOWEVER, I WOULD PUT INTO YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR BOTH TR AND CA.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO THINK THIS THROUGH A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT, UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF, UH, MIXED USE.
WE ARE ABOUT THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY IN ALL OF WESTCHESTER THAT DOESN'T ALLOW MISUSE ON, ON STREET SLATE, LIKE ONE 19 IN CENTRAL AVENUE.
I KNOW WE'RE CONSIDERING IT FOR FOUR CORNERS, BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONSIDER IT THERE.
I WOULDN'T MAKE IT AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION.
AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT, UH, MORE CAREFULLY.
AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS A, A BIG JOB FOR YOU GUYS, AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THIS.
DID WE WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION ON TO, FOR NEXT UP WE HAVE MR. SIMON, IT'S IN THE DOCUMENT ABOUT HER.
EVEN, UH, CHAIRMAN PAYNE AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, THERE'S TWO THINGS I'D LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT, UH, MR. SCHWARTZ JUST SAID, UH, UH, UH, THE BATTERY STORAGE AND ALSO THE, THE, THE REMOVAL OF, UH, THE UV, UH, URBAN RENEWAL ZONE ON ONE 19 ON THE BATTERY STORAGE.
THERE'S REALLY TWO DIFFERENT WAYS OF GOING ABOUT WITH THE BATTERY STORAGE.
IT'S THE ARBITRAGE WAY WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE COME AND PUT UP A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY, THEY BUY ELECTRICITY AT NIGHT WHEN IT'S CHEAP AND THEY SELL IT BACK IN THE MORNING.
THERE'S REALLY NO ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, UH, IMPROVEMENT THEY'RE MAKING IN THE WHOLE USE OF, OF POWER.
YOU HAVE ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE, OF PEOPLE WHO PUT UP, UH, FOR BATTERY STORAGE, WHERE THEY USE NATURAL GENERATION OF NATURAL POWER TO CHARGE THE BATTERY, WHETHER IT IT'S, UH, UH, WIND GENERATION WATER OR, UH, THE CELLS THAT THEY USE RIGHT ACROSS AT THE, AT THE, IN THE SCHOOL, RIGHT HERE IN THE SCHOOL, UH, THEY GOT $110 MILLION, UH, UH, BOND THAT WAS GUARANTEED TO BE PAID OFF BY THE ENERGY SAVINGS THAT THEY GET.
AND THEY, AND THEY HAVE A, A, UH, BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY COMMISSIONED ABOUT A WEEK.
AND THEY HAVE FOR THE PARKING LOT ON THE FIELD, THEY HAVE A OVERHEAD PANEL FULL OF, UH, UH, UV, UH, UH, UH, UV SOUTH, UM, WHICH WILL CHARGE THE BATTERIES.
AND THEN RATHER THAN SELLING IT BACK TO CONED, THEY USED THAT TO LIGHT AND HEAT THE SCHOOL.
AND SO WHEN LOOKING AT BATTERY STORAGE FACILITIES, WE SHOULD NOT LUMP THEM ON ONE CODE, THOUGH THE ARBITRAGE THAT'S LEGAL AND THAT'S THAT, AND THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING IN A BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY AND USING NATURAL ENERGY, WHETHER NOT THE, UH, THE PANELS ON THE ROOF OR WIND GENERATION OR, OR UH, UH, HYDRO GENERATION FOR THIS AREA, WE OBVIOUSLY TALKING ABOUT PANELS ON THE ROOF, WE SHOULD BE GIVEN SOME SORT OF INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO DO THAT.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACT FORM THAT INCENTIVE SHOULD BE, BUT THEY SHOULD BE TWO SEPARATE CATEGORIES.
IF YOU ARE GENERATING ELECTRICITY FROM THE, FROM ROOF PANELS, WE SHOULD GIVE THOSE TYPE OF INVEST SOME SORT OF INVE
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UH, UH, INCENTIVES.UH, SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING.
THE OTHER THING ON, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, THE URBAN RENEWAL, I WAS A BIG PROPONENT OF REMOVING THE URBAN RENEWAL WHEN I WAS ON THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE URBAN RENEWAL IS REGARDS TO A BLIGHTED AREAS WHERE WE GIVE THE DEVELOPERS EXTRA, UH, LEEWAY IN THE CODE SO THEY COULD REMOVE THE PLIGHT.
THERE'S NO MORE PLIGHT HERE ON ONE 19.
SO IT WAS REMOVED AT THE TIME.
WE SAID, OKAY, WE, WE REMOVED IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
SO WE NEED TO, WE'LL LEAVE, UH, THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, UH, AND CHANGE URBAN RENEWAL FROM THOSE, AND THAT THE CODE IS DOING THAT IS A VERY GOOD, BUT THEY'RE REPLACING IT WITH THE CODE THAT'S ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
RATHER REPLACE IT WITH A CODE THAT ALLOW MIXED USE ON ONE 19.
I THINK THAT'S A BETTER WAY OF DOING IT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE CORNERS UP LEADING UP TO THE LIBRARY WAS THE OLD MOTEL.
THE, THERE'S A OLD, UH, UH, A FORMER BUILDING FOR ANIMAL HOSPITAL AND THERE'S A, A LOT OF LITTLE, UH, REALLY, UH, UNDERDEVELOPED PROPERTY THERE.
AND THAT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE A, A IDEAL SITE FOR A MIXED USE OR PUT SOME HOUSING THERE.
SO I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE, WHAT CODE YOU'RE GOING TO PLACE ON ONE 19.
IT SHOULD NOT BE SIMPLY A, A DUPLICATE OF WHAT YOU DID ON, ON, ON CENTRAL AVENUE.
SO I THINK THAT THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND NEED TO HAVE TWO CATEGORIES FOR BATTERY STORAGE.
I DIDN'T KNOW THE BUZZER WAS ON.
HI, UM, LANE COBB, UH, CHAIR OF THE GREENBERG, UM, HUMAN RIGHTS ADVISORY.
SO I, MY REASON FOR COMING TONIGHT, FIRST OF ALL, I, I AGREE WITH, UH, MUCH OF WHAT THE LAST TWO SPEAKERS HAVE SAID, AND I WANT TO COME AND THANK THE BOARD TODAY, BUT ALSO TO ISSUE A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE.
AT LAST MONTH'S PUBLIC DISCUSSION, I, UH, I EXPRESSED MY CONCERNS ABOUT TWO ITEMS, INCLUDING THE PROPOSED ZONING CODE CHANGES BEING CONSIDERED.
ONE WAS THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY.
UH, DESPITE HAVING RECEIVED A, A REASONABLE EXPLANATION OF WHY IT SAID WHAT IT SAID, I, I STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND ALSO THE SUGGESTION THAT BUILDERS MAY OPT TO BUILD TWO ADUS IN THE PLACE OF ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AS A PART OF A 10% AFFORDABLE HOUSING SETASIDE REQUIREMENT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
SO I DO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO BOTH COMMISSIONER DUQUE AND CHAIRMAN PINE FOR OFFERING TO MEET ME, TO DISCUSS MY CONCERNS AND ALSO TO MS. MAGANA, MS. GARRITY, AND MR. BRITTON FOR ATTENDING THAT MEETING AND GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN REAL TIME.
I FOUND IT, UM, VERY, VERY HELPFUL, UM, AND VERY, VERY ENCOURAGING.
SO AS A HUMAN RIGHTS ADV ADVOCATE, ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS REGARDING GOVERNING ENTITIES SUCH AS THIS ONE WILL ALWAYS BE WHETHER DECISIONS AFFECTING LEGISLATION ARE ONE BEING CONSIDERED THROUGH THE EQUITY LENS THAT ATTEMPTS TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF ALL PEOPLE.
AND TWO, WHETHER THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS IS TRANSPARENT AND INCLUSIVE.
AND THREE, WHETHER THE DECISION MAKING, UH, EXCUSE ME, WHETHER THE DECISION MAKERS ARE WILLING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE CHOICES THAT DO NOT MEET THAT STANDARD.
AND SO, WHILE I'M NOT GONNA STAND HERE AND SHARE THE FULL DEAL DETAILS OF OUR MEETING OVERALL, I DO WANNA SAY THAT I REALLY DID FEEL HEARD AND ENCOURAGED TO CONTINUE MY ENGAGEMENT SINCE I, UH, AM TOLD THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS TRYING TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX ABOUT HOW TO CREATE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES IN GREENBERG.
AND ALSO THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MORE OF YOUR, OF GREENBERG RESIDENTS AND ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER IMPLEMENTING ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU RECEIVE.
SO TO THE FIRST POINT, IF THAT IS TRUE, AND I THINK THAT IT IS, THAT YOU ARE REALLY TRYING TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU PASS ONTO THE TOWN BOARD ARE ACTED UPON.
ANYBODY WHO'S NOT IN FAVOR OF CREATING SUSTAINABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING SOLUTIONS IS CLEARLY NOT IN TUNE WITH THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY AND SHOULD NOT SERVE TO THE SECOND POINT.
WHAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT GREENBERG IS THAT MANY OF ITS RESIDENTS OFTEN FEEL BLINDSIDED BY LEGISLATION DISENFRANCHISED FROM THE PROCESS, OR DO NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION NECESSARY TO MEANINGFULLY ENGAGE.
SO IN WHICH CASE THEY WATCH FROM THE SIDELINES AND
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THEY PRAY THAT THE DECISIONS MADE EITHER BENEFIT THEM AT BEST OR AT WORST, DO NOT HARM THEM.AND IN MY ROLE AS A MEMBER OF THE GREENBERG RESTORATIVE CIRCLE PROJECT, I ENGAGE WITH GREENBERG RESIDENTS IN RESTORABLE RESTORATIVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BUILDING EQUITY IN GREENBERG, MANY OF WHOM REPEATEDLY EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION AND DISAPPOINTMENT WITH THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND REPRESENTATION IN OUR GOVERNMENT.
I THANK, UH, CHAIRMAN PINE FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION IN AND CONTRIBUTION TO THOSE VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FAIRNESS AND INCLUSION.
TONIGHT, I CHALLENGE THIS BOARD TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN ITS EFFORTS TO GAIN INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY THOSE PERSONS WHO FEEL DISENFRANCHISED FROM AND DISEMPOWERED BY THE THESE PROCESSES.
AND AS A HUMAN RIGHTS ADVOCATE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT GROUP INCLUDES PEOPLE OF ALL RACES AND SOCIOECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS, BUT IT ESPECIALLY INCLUDES PEOPLE OF COLOR, PEOPLE OF LIMITED MEANS SENIORS, YOUNG ADULTS, AND DIFFERENTLY ABLED FOLKS.
SO NO DOUBT THIS IS NOT NEWS TO YOU.
AND YET, AS LEADERS, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON YOU TO ADDRESS SUCH IMBALANCES WHEN TALKING ABOUT MAKING PROVISIONS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES THAT WILL IMPACT OUR COMMUNITIES FOR DECADES AFTER THEY'RE IMPLEMENTED.
I BELIEVE IT BEHOOVES LEADERS TO NOT ONLY SEEK THAT INPUT, BUT IMPLEMENT IT INTO POLICIES AND PROCESSES THAT SUPPORT TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
SHORT OF THAT, IT WILL BE BUSINESS AS USUAL, WHICH WE ALREADY KNOW DOES NOT WORK.
IF WE DO, IF WE DO WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE, WE WILL GET WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS GOTTEN, A PROCESS THAT LEAVES PEOPLE OUT AND AN OUTCOME THAT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF RESIDENTS EQUITABLY.
SO I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TODAY, AND I HOPE YOU RECEIVE MY COMMENTS, NOT AS CRITICISM CERTAINLY, BUT AS ENCOURAGEMENT TO DIG DEEP AS YOU CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF YOUR WORK ON CURRENT AND FUTURE RESIDENTS.
AND TO BE NOT AFRAID TO EXPLORE HOW YOU MIGHT DO MORE THAN YOU PERHAPS FEEL IS REASONABLE.
AND IN FACT, I URGE YOU TO BE UNREASONABLE IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS IF FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN TO INSPIRE SOME REAL AND LASTING CHANGE IN A TOWN IN WHICH CHANGE IS GREATLY OVERDUE.
I CLOSED THE WAY I BEGAN THANKING THE PLANNING BOARD FOR DOING YOUR VERY BEST TO STEWARD THIS PAIN STATION PROCESS OF BRINGING A WOEFULLY OUT OF DATE ZONING CODE UP TO PAR.
AND ALSO FOR PERHAPS BEING WILLING TO DO MORE THAN YOU WANT TO DO OR THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO DO TO GET THE INPUT OF THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AT THIS DISCUSSION TODAY.
I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE DISCUSSIONS OF THIS TYPE.
AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND FOR HOSTING THESE PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
UM, AND, AND, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION INTERNALLY ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY SINCE OUR MEETING LAST WEEK.
AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE TIME THIS EVENING, BUT, BUT AT SOME POINT, MS. ROBINSON WILL SHARE, UM, HER HER FEEDBACK ON THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE MS. U, MRS. YUJI, WHO'S ON ZOOM.
WELL, UH, MS. YUJI, I SEE THAT YOU'RE ON TWICE AND THAT'S MAYBE WHY THERE'S FEEDBACK.
THAT MIGHT BE BETTER ACTUALLY.
UH, FIRST OFF, UM, I WANNA SAY THAT I AGREE WITH MOST EVERYTHING, THE SPEAKERS, THE PRIOR SPEAKERS HAVE SAID, UH, IN PARTICULARLY THAT, UH, THESE AMENDMENTS DEAL WITH THE CLEANUP AND LEAVE THE STRATEGIC THINGS FOR LATER.
AT THE JULY MEETING, I SHARED CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS AFFECTING SENIOR HOUSING.
TONIGHT, I WILL SHARE ADDITIONAL REASONS WHY THE CHANGES PROPOSED MOVE IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
THE TOWN'S STATED RATIONALE IS TO STANDARDIZE CCRC STANDARDS WITH ASSISTED LIVING AND CCF STANDARDS.
BUT THESE ARE DIFFERENT SENIOR HOUSING USES THE PROPOSED INCREASES IN DENSITY, HEIGHT, AND STORIES ARE CONTRARY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS DIRECTION TO PROTECT THE DENSITY AND CHARACTER OF ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
TONIGHT, I PROPOSE THE OPPOSITE NEEDS TO BE DONE SUBSTANTIALLY STRENGTHEN AND TIGHTEN THESE SPECIAL PERMITS.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM READING THE CODE.
THE TOWN ALREADY HAS A ZONING DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY INTENDED FOR OVER 62 MULTIFAMILY SENIOR HOUSING MSH 62.
IT ALLOWS COMMON DINING, LAUNDRY, AND OTHER AMENITIES ALSO FOUND IN CCS AND CRCS.
A DEVELOPER SEEKING MS SH 62 ZONING MUST ASK THE TOWN BOARD TO MAKE A DIRECT LEGISLATIVE DECISION AND ZONING CHANGE THAT MULTIFAMILY SENIOR HOUSING IS APPROPRIATE ON THAT PARTICULAR, UH, SINGLE
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FAMILY ZONE PROPERTY THAT IS A TALL ORDER.CCS AND CRCS HAVE A MUCH EASIER ROUTE.
THEY CAN PLACE VERY LARGE NUMBERS OF INDEPENDENT LIVING APARTMENTS INSIDE ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THROUGH A SPECIAL PERMIT.
LET US BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT THIS HAS BECOME.
CCS AND CRCS PROVIDE A BACKDOOR PATHWAY FOR AFFLUENT MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS TO ENTER SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS WITHOUT UNDERGOING THE SCRUTINY OF MULTI-FAMILY REZONING PACKAGE.
THE APARTMENTS WITH A LIMITED CARE COMPONENT CHARGE SUBSTANTIAL ENTRANCE FEES AND MONTHLY FEES, AND THE DEVELOPMENT RECEIVES A DIFFERENT ZONING LABEL, BUT THE LABEL DOES NOT CHANGE THE LAND USE.
THESE ARE STILL APARTMENTS WITH THE SAME MASS PARKING TRAFFIC AND IMPACTS AT THE KNOWS.
AFTER THE PROPOSED EXPANSION, APPROXIMATELY 87 80 7% OF THE COMPLEX WOULD BE INDEPENDENT LIVING.
THIS IS NOT PRIMARILY A CARE FACILITY WITH SOME HOUSING, IT IS MULTIFAMILY HOUSING WITH ENOUGH OF A CARE COMPONENT TO QUALIFY FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT IN A ONE FAMILY ZONE.
A LUXURY PRICE TAG IS NOT A LAND USE DISTINCTION.
AFFLUENCE SHOULD NOT BE A ZONING CATEGORY AT A PINCH OF HEALTHCARE, DOES NOT MAKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX MORE COMPATIBLE WITH A ONE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
A SPECIAL PERMIT IS ALSO VERY DIFFERENT FROM A REZONING.
A SPECIAL PERMIT ASSUMES THE USE IS PERMITTED IF THE APPLICANT SATISFIES THE CONDITIONS.
THAT IS WHY THOSE CONDITIONS MUST BE STRONG, OBJECTIVE AND ENFORCEABLE.
SO WHY THEN ARE WE CONSIDERING WEAKENING THEM? THE TOWN IS NOT CLOSING THIS LOOPHOLE.
WHAT IS STANDARD IN MSH 62 ZONE IS TWO AND A HALF STORIES, 30 FOOT HEIGHT WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF THREE OR FOUR WITH THE MAX OF 50 FEET.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CCRC STANDARD WOULD INCREASE THAT STANDARD TO THREE STORIES AND 40 FEET AS STANDARD AND UP TO FOUR STORIES AND 55 FEET.
IN SOME CASES IN A ONE FAMILY DISTRICT, THIS IS MORE THAN A STANDARD SE, THE STANDARD SENIOR HOUSING ZONE.
MY SECOND POINT IS WE ALREADY HAVE A CLEAR WARNING.
TODAY, AT TODAY'S SENIOR HOUSING SPECIAL PERMIT STANDARDS ARE WEAK.
LOOK AT BRIGHTVIEW NEAR METROPOLIS.
NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION, I'VE WALKED UP THERE.
ITS SCALE, HEIGHT, AND MASS OVERWHELMED NEIGHBORING HOMES.
EVEN AFTER THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, WAS ABLE TO SECURE CONCESSIONS, ELIMINATING BALCONIES, AND REDUCING A FLOOR ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THE RESULTS SHOW THAT THE EXISTING PROTECTIONS WERE NOT STRONG ENOUGH.
BRIGHTVIEW METROPOLIS SHOULD BE TREATED AS A LESSON.
IT SHOULD LEAD THE TOWN TO STRENGTHEN SETBACKS.
INSTEAD, THE TOWN IS PROPOSING TO LOOSEN CRC STANDARDS.
LASTLY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE ARRIVED HERE.
THE SAME LAND USE REPRESENTATIVES INVOLVED WITH METROPOLIS NOW REPRESENT THE K KNOWLES, AND THAT'S RELEVANT CONTEXT.
BRIGHTVIEW METROPOLIS SHOWED WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SPECIAL PERMIT PROTECTIONS ARE WEAK.
THE K KNOWLES IS SHOWING WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PROCESS DEPENDS ON MISLEADING REPRESENTATIONS.
THE ANSWERS SHOULD BE STRONGER STANDARDS AND GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY.
UM, AND NEXT WE HAVE MR. ROLLINS.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE LAST, MM-HMM
UH, THANK YOU, UH, TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, UH, FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY AS DEMONSTRATED BY YOUR BEING HERE EVEN AT THIS HOUR.
I AM THE LAST, OF COURSE HERE CONSULTANT FOR COVENANT URBAN VENTURES, LLCI REPRESENT 3 7 1 4 30 FOURTH STREET, LLC.
WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THE COMPREHENSIVE CHAPTER 2 85 AMENDMENTS TO EXPAND THE ADULT RETAIL CANNABIS ZONING TO INCLUDE 2 49 TARRY TOWN ROAD.
I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD FOR THIS EVENING.
IS THERE AN EXISTING USE AT THAT SITE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY? THAT IS ACTUALLY THE, UH, HOME OF NEXT.
IT'S ACTUALLY PRISCO ALLIANCES RIGHT NOW.
ANY QUESTION? IS THAT IT? THAT'S IT.
I MEAN, WE CAN, I THOUGHT YOU'D LIKE FOR IT TO BE BRIEF, ESPECIALLY AT THIS HOUR.
WAS THERE ANY PETITION SUBMITTED FOR REZONING OR ANY DISCUSSION WITH, AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL? JUST FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL? NO, MA'AM.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOLLOW.
WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW PROTOCOL AND, AND RESPECT THE GUIDELINES AS LAID OUT BY, UH, BY THE TOWN.
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THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.ANY, ANY, ANYONE REMAINING? ALRIGHT.
UM, THEN SEEING NONE, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN, UH, OR TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC DISCUSSION SESSION.
ADJOURN TO THE SEPTEMBER 2ND MEETING.
UH, AND THEN, AND THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING THIS EVENING.