* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AGENDA THURSDAY, August 20, 2026 – 7:00 P.M. ] [00:00:23] PRESENT. LOUIS HERE, PETER BLI HERE. AND FOR THE RECORD'S LIKE WILLIAM BLAND AND DIANE LEY ARE NOT PRESENT, WHICH WOULD, UH, REMIND THE CHAIR THAT THAT WOULD MAKE, UM, ALTERNATE HOWARD JACOB WOODS, THE VOTING MEMBER THAT YOUR AUTHORIZATION. YES. UM, SINCE WE DO NOT HAVE THE REGULAR BOARD, UM, OR I SHOULD, THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT A WAY TO SAY IT, BUT, UM, AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE, UM, A NEWIE COMING IN, WE'LL PUT IT THAT WAY, , HOWEVER, HE HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE. AND AS, UM, WHEN WE ARE MISSING OUR, OUR BASE USUAL ONE. SO, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO NOT CREATE ANY PROBLEM IN TRYING TO SEE IF WE CAN REALLY GET THROUGH THESE CASES. SO THE MEETING OF THE BOARD WILL NOW COME TO ORDER. WE HAVE SEVEN CASES SCHEDULED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, HOWEVER, CASE 25 36, UH, ONCE LAWRENCE LEY LLC HAS BEEN ADJOURNED BY THE BOARD TO THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2026 MEETING, AWAITING SECRET, I'M SORRY, DIMENSION BY THE, BY THE TOWN BOARD. LOOKING FORWARD, THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE A REGULAR MEETING ON THURSDAYS, SEPTEMBER 17TH. OF COURSE, MARK YOUR CALENDAR ACCORDINGLY. WE MAY LIMIT TIME TO, FOR TO HEAR EACH CASE. IF WE CANNOT FINISH HEARING A CASE, IT WILL BE ADJOURNED TO ANOTHER MEETING TO BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME, AS IN THE PAST. IN ORDER TO SAVE TIME, WE WILL WAIVE THE READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH CASE. HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THIS INFORMATION IN THE RECORD. THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TONIGHT'S CASES, THE BOARD WILL MEET TO DISCUSS EACH CASE. EVERYONE AT THAT TIME IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS, BUT THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE PERMITTED AT THAT TIME TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE. AFTER OUR DELIBERATIONS ON ALL THE CASES, WE WILL ANNOUNCE THE BOARD'S DECISION FOR THE FORMAL OF RECORD AND TO BE BROADCAST TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I'M MISSING INFORMATION THAT I NEED. I THINK I HAVE ANOTHER COPY OF IT. HERE IT IS. THE DATE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. NO, I ALREADY SAID THE DATE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE HAVE HERE. USUALLY I WOULD SAY, OKAY. OH, IT'S THE NOTE. NO, WE DON'T HAVE IT. OH, THANK YOU. SO WE'LL JUST START OFF WITH THE, WHAT'S THE, IT'S OKAY. AGENDA. SO THE FIRST SAYS WE DO HAVE THIS EVENING IS 26 10, WHICH IS AG CONVENIENCE. ANYONE HERE? YES. HELLO. HELLO. HI. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? JUST SPEAKING TO THE MIC? WE HEAR YOU, BUT WE WANT EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S OUT. WELL, THEY'RE NOT JUST HERE. THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING ON THE, OKAY. YES. UM, OKAY. UH, WELL, MY NAME IS KAREN GREENLEY. G-R-E-E-N-L-E-E. AND I AM HERE, UM, FOR A SUNOCO, UH, PROJECT AT, UH, 8 5 8 CENTRAL PARK. I WAS HERE TWO MONTHS AGO, UM, FOR A SIGN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL, UM, THAT WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE FOR A FEW REASONS. UM, AND I AM BACK WITH A REVISED DRAWING. UM, I EMAILED IT TO KIRA. I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE HAS A COPY OF THAT. PERFECT. UM, SO THAT IS, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE STILL OUT OF COMPLIANCE IN ONE, UH, WAY, WHICH IS THE HEIGHT IS OVER. WHAT IS THE ALLOWED, [00:05:01] UM, AT THAT PROPERTY? SO WE ARE HERE, I AM HERE TO, UM, TO ASK FOR A LARGER, TALLER THAN, UH, A LOUD SIGN. AND WHY IS IT THAT YOU NEED, NEED THE, THE NEED, THE, UH, STRUCTURE TO BE SO HIGH? UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH THIS PROPERTY. UM, BUT, AND I CAN SHARE, UM, MY SCREEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. OH, YOU WERE REALLY FAST. YOU GO. THAT'S TOTALLY FINE. YOU, YOU SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE A LITTLE BIT MORE TECHNICALLY ADVANCED THAN I AM. . YEAH, FOR SURE. OKAY, WELL I'M JUST GONNA DO THAT. OKAY. UM, SO THIS IS, UM, AN OVERHEAD VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. UH, IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UH, LEFT CORNER THERE, YOU CAN SEE THE ENTIRE AREA. UM, SO THAT LITTLE WHITE SQUARE AT THE FRONT IS THE GAS CANOPY. AND OUR SIGN, IF YOU GO ONE MORE PAGE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER THERE. UM, ON, ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS A PART OF, UM, THE SIDEWALK IS RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THAT'S THE ACTUAL POST IS, IS IN THE ASPHALT. THAT IS A VERY, VERY, VERY SMALL AREA. UM, AND THERE'S ALSO QUITE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THERE. SO SINCE WE HAVE THAT EXISTING SIGN AND OUR EXISTING POLE, THE REASON WHY IT IS HIGHER THAN WHAT IS ALLOWED IS THIS, SO THAT IT IS NOT A HAZARD TO ANYBODY WALKING PAST. UM, THERE, THE, THE ALLOWANCE AND THE ZONING CODE IS FOR SIX FEET. UM, AND NOT ONLY WOULD THAT BE BLOCKING, UM, ALL OF THE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTS, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE QUITE A BIG HAZARD FOR ANYONE THAT IS TALLER THAN SIX FEET. UM, SO WE NEEDED IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER JUST FOR THE SAFETY AND COMFORT OF EVERYONE THAT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR THE SIGN. UM, AND IT IS ALMOST THE SAME HEIGHT AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY. UM, BUT THAT CLEARANCE IS REALLY NECESSARY FOR HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING LOT AND THE LANES OF TRAVEL. UM, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY WAY TO GET AROUND IT NEEDING TO BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER JUST FOR SAFETY. GO AHEAD. YES. SO WHAT ARE YOU THE OWNER OF THE GAS STATION? WHAT ARE YOU THE ARCHITECT WHO NO, I, UH, I WORK FOR PRO SIGNS. SO WE ARE THE VENDOR FOR SUNOCO SIGNAGE. THIS PROPERTY IS OWNED BY AGREE CONVENIENCE. OKAY. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW. ALRIGHT, SO MY QUESTION IS, IT SAYS ON OUR SHEET, UH, TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF A YARD SIGN FROM 12 FEET. OKAY. PERMITTED 20 FEET EXISTING TO 1904. PROPOSED. SO THIS ONE IS ON THE FAR LEFT IS 20 FEET. CORRECT. SO ARE YOU MEASURING FROM THE BOTTOM OR THE TOP? IT'S THE OVERALL HEIGHT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS FROM THE TOP. YEAH, THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE SIGN FROM THE, FROM THE TOP. SO FROM THE VERY TOP OF THE RED ARROW ON TOP OF SUNOCO DOWN IS 20 FEET TO GRADE. YEP. AND ON THE NEW ONE, IT WOULD BE FROM THE, UH, ADDRESS BOX THAT'S ON TOP OF THE, UM, SIGN. NO, THAT'S, THAT WOULD NOT BE COUNTED. UM, IT WOULD BE FROM THE TOP OF THE CABINET DOWN. AND IT'S BASICALLY ABOUT THE SAME HEIGHT ABOVE, GIVE OR TAKE. YEAH. IT, IT IS, IT, IT'S GONNA END UP BEING A LITTLE BIT, UH, SHORTER. BUT YOU KNOW, FOR HOWARD, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. HOW, HOW, OH, I DIDN'T MEAN TO, YEAH, SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE REALLY ASKING US TO VALIDATE OR ADOPT, THIS ONE'S IN VIOLATION. THIS ONE IS LESS IN VIOLATION, BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO JUST, YOU KNOW, GIVE IT THE IMPRIMATUR OF, OF THE VARIANCE. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE FROM YOUR REQUEST LAST TIME? SO, UM, LAST TIME WE WERE REQUESTING TO KEEP THE STRUCTURE AS IT IS AN ADD A PRICER SIGN TO IT. UM, SO IT WAS THE, THAT LARGE DIAMOND, THE FLAG MOUNTED DIAMOND WOULD'VE STAYED, AND THEN WE WOULD'VE HAD A FLAG MOUNTED PRICER ON THE OTHER SIDE. OH. SO THAT ONE WAS, UM, [00:10:01] OBVIOUSLY OVER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT WAS OVER THE HEIGHT, IT WAS OVER THE CLEARANCE. AND IT ALSO HAD, UH, OH, THANK YOU. IT ALSO HAD, UM, THE OLD COLORS OF LIGHTS, UM, WHICH ARE RED AND GREEN. AND THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE CODE WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE THOSE COLORS CLOSER TO A, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL. SO WE MADE ALL THE LIGHTS WHITE AND, UM, THEY AGREED TO TAKE DOWN THE, UH, THEY AGREED THAT, THAT IT WOULD BE TO TAKE DOWN THE SUNOCO DIAMOND AND PUT A NEW CABINET ON. NOW, WHAT IS THE CABINET TO CODE RIGHT NOW? RIGHT. SO, SO THE ONLY THING WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH IS THE HEIGHT, BUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALL OF THAT IS FINE. YEAH. ALL OF EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN COMPLIANCE. SO, SO THE, THE, THE SIGN THAT HAS THE, THE DIESEL REGULAR AND THE PRICES AND THE LOGO ON TOP, THAT'S TO CODE? YES. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE BOTTOM OF THE CABINET? 13. YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING FROM THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE CABINET TO THE, TO THE GRADE? YEAH, IT'S ON THE OTHER PAGE. UM, IF YOU GO ONE MORE PAGE, IT'S GOT ALL THE MEASUREMENTS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE. YEAH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. UM, EXCUSE ME, I DID WANNA JUST SEVEN PAGE CORRECT THE RECORD, WORRIED ABOUT, UH, YOU HAD SAID THAT WHAT WAS PERMITTED WAS, UM, SIX FEET, BUT WHAT YOU REALLY MEANT WAS TO SAY 12 FEET PERMITTED NO, UM, SIX FEET IS WHAT I, WHAT I MEANT. UM, IT'S THE CLEARANCE TO GRADE IS WHAT IS, IT NEEDS TO BE SIX FEET. THAT IS THE LOWEST THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ALLOWED IS THE SIX FEET. IT, YOU NEED TO HAVE SIX FEET OF CLEARANCE. OH, THE LOWEST. THE SIGN IS SIX FEET TALL. NO, THE SIGN COULD BE 12 FEET TALL AND IT NEEDED TO HAVE SIX FEET OF CLEARANCE. BUT THAT, SORRY. UM, SO IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, RIGHT. TO BE IN CODE WITH THE BOTTOM OF THE CABINET BE AT SIX FEET. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO TO BE WITHIN THE ALLOWANCE, THE SIGN COULD BE AT THE TALLEST 12 FEET WITH SIX FEET OF CLEARANCE. SO THIS SIGN HAS MORE CLEARANCE, WHICH MAKES IT TALLER. BUT THE REASON WHY WE CAN'T HAVE SIX FEET OF CLEARANCE, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE ALLOWANCE AND THE CODE IS, IS BECAUSE OF HOW CLOSE IT IS TO PEDESTRIANS AND ALL OF THE OTHER, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE AND, UH, LIGHTING AND ALL OF THAT OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON THAT SIDEWALK. SORRY. I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. SORRY. I KNOW I'M NOT SAYING IT PROPERLY, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT IS A LITTLE BIT CLEAR. SO, WHEREAS TO BE, IF YOU DIDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T NEED A PERMIT. IF YOU LOWERED THE SIGN TO WHERE THE BOTTOM OF THE CABINET IS SIX FEET FROM THE GROUND, WE WOULD NEED A PERMIT. YOU NEED A BUILDING PERMIT FOR, FOR A SIGN. BUT ALSO YOU'D BE WITHIN CODE. THIS SIGN IS NON-CONFORMING. AND THERE IS A RULE IN TOWN WHERE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE A NON-CONFORMING SIGN. SO I THINK WE WOULD NEED A VARIANCE TO CHANGE THIS SIGN AT ALL. THE, THE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER NO, THE, SO TO CHANGE A NON-CONFORMING SIGN TO ANOTHER NON-CONFORMING SIGN, YOU WOULD NEED A VARIANCE. IF YOU ARE REMOVING THE NON-CONFORMITY OF VARIANCE IS NOT REQUIRED. THAT IS, YES. SO YOU CAN TAKE AWAY THINGS, UH, COMPLETELY TAKE AWAY THE SIGN, BUT YOU CAN'T CHANGE, YOU CAN'T ALTER A SIGN IF IT'S NONCONFORMING WITHOUT THE VARIANCE. YOU CAN'T, AREN'T YOU, THE SIGN IS BEING, SO IF YOU, SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF WHAT THE RELIEF WE, WE WOULD NEED. IF THE SIGN WERE TO BE MADE CONFORMING, NO VARIANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED. AND WE'D ABLE TO ISSUE A PERMIT. SO YOU'RE TAKING A NON-CONFORMING SIGN, WHICH IS THE CURRENT SUNOCO SIGN, AND YOU'RE ASKING TO MAKE IT ANOTHER NON-CONFORMING SIGN, WHICH IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE VARIANCE. HAD YOU SUBMITTED A SIGN THAT WAS COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE? NO VARIANCES WOULD BE REQUIRED IF IT WERE SIX. OH, OKAY. SIX FEET FROM THE GROUND. IF IT WAS SIX FEET FROM THE CLEARANCE, BECAUSE IT'S CLOSER THAN 20 FEET TO A ROADWAY AND UNDER 1212 OR UNDER, IT WOULDN'T MEET A VARIANCE. RIGHT. BUT MY SON IS SIX FEET FIVE. SO THE, HE WOULD BUNK HIS HEAD. THE ONLY VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED ARE DISTANCES. THERE'S NO VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THIS SIGN. JUST WHERE IT'S MOUNTED. THIS IS WHERE IT'S MOUNTED. THE VARIANCE IS FOR WHERE THE SIGN IS MOUNTED, NOT FOR THE SIGN ITSELF. RIGHT. BUT NO, WHAT I JUST HEARD WAS THAT IT'S A NONCONFORMING SIGN HEIGHT. THE SIGN THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT SIGN IS NON-CONFORMING. AND SO THE NEW SIGN WILL BE NON-CONFORMING. CORRECT. SO THAT WOULDN'T, THEY NEED A VARIANCE? THEY DO FOR THAT. THEY DO. SO THAT REQUEST IS NOT INCLUDE IT IN THIS, IT, IT IS, THERE'S TWO, TWO VARIANCES. ONE IS FOR THE HEIGHT, THE SECOND IS FOR, UM, MAKING ANOTHER NON-CONFORMING SIGN. NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE. THE DENIAL LETTER. OH, OKAY. BUT IT'S [00:15:01] NOT ON, ON THEIR APPLICATION. I SHOW THIS TO, THEY JUST SUBMITTED TO MM-HMM . UM, I'M SORRY, WHAT YOU CALL THE CABINET. YES. THE CABINET AS PROPOSED HERE, SEEMS TO BE APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET HIGH. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YEAH. GIVE OR TAKE. UH, IT ACTUALLY IS POINTED TO, SO YOU, YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT IS ALL WRITTEN ON THE SIDE THERE. SO, UM, ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA GO WITH MY ESTIMATE 'CAUSE I CAN'T ACTUALLY READ THAT . UM, SO, 'CAUSE I'M SIMPLY TAKING 19, UH, FEET AND A HALF AND MINUSING 13 FEET, TWO INCHES. AND THAT'S ABOUT SIX FEET. YEAH. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT THE CABINET, WHAT IS THE PERMITTED HEIGHT OF THE CABINET? WITHOUT A VARIANCE? HOW TALL CAN THE CABINET BE? THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, REGULATED. IT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT, BUT THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN, AS LONG AS YOU'RE WITHIN THE HEIGHT OF THE SIGN, THE CABINET, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW BIG THAT IS. SO THE CABINET, AS LONG AS THE, YOU HAVE ALL THE OTHER MEASUREMENTS FILLED, THE CABINET IS IN COMPLIANCE? YES. EVERYTHING IS IN COMPLIANCE EXCEPT FOR THE HEIGHT. SO THE CABINET'S IN COMPLIANCE. SO THE DISCUSSION IS HOW HIGH IT NEEDS TO GO UP IN THE AIR. IS THERE ANOTHER DISCUSSION? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. IS THERE, OKAY, SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT SIGN. I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID IF THEY CHANGED A NON-CONFORMING SIGN INTO A DIFFERENT NON-CONFORMING SIGN. THIS, THIS SIGN WOULD ALSO BE NONCONFORMING UNLESS YOU GRANT THE VARIANCE. SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE REQUEST IS. SO ONCE THEY, THEY SUBMITTED THIS, THIS IS ASKING FOR ANOTHER NON-CONFORMING SIGN. BUT I, I JUST ASKED THAT AND I WAS TOLD THAT IT'S A CONFORM, THE CABINET'S CONFORMING. THAT'S WHAT I'M CALLING THE HEIGHT IS NOT, HEIGHT IS NOT THE HEIGHT IS NOT HEIGHT OF THE CABINET. CORRECT. SO WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO BE HEIGHT WISE? 12. THAT HAS TO DO WITH HOW, WHERE THE CABINET IS MOUNTED, NOT THE ACTUAL JUST BOX. THE BOX ITSELF, IF IT WAS HANG HUNG AT THE RIGHT HEIGHT IS CONFORMING. CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO THE, THE WHOLE DISCUSSION IS HOW HIGH TO HANG THE BOX. CORRECT. SO SIX MINIMUM SIX FEET FROM THE GROUND. MM-HMM . THEY CAN GO HIGHER THAN SIX FEET, BUT THEY CAN'T GO LOWER BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN 20 FEET OF THE STREET AND RIGHT OF WAY. AND THE HIGHEST IS 12 FEET. HIGHEST IS 12. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THEY WERE SIX FEET ABOVE THE GROUND MM-HMM . THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE SIX FEET ABOVE THE GROUND WITH COMPLIANCE FOR THE MINIMUM DISTANCE BETWEEN THE AVERAGE GRADE AND THE BOTTOM OF THE SIGN, THEY WOULD THEN HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TOP OF THE SIGN, WHICH IS A MAXIMUM OF 12 FEET. IN THIS INSTANCE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 20. I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I'M TRYING TO SEE IF THIS CABINET HUNG DIFFERENTLY. COULD BE COMPLIANT AS OF RIGHT. IT COULD BE. IT COULD BE. AND THEN THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH OF AN INTERFERENCE THE LOWER HEIGHT WOULD BE WITH THINGS LIKE THE WALK DON'T QUA WALK SITE AND THE ALSO WITH THE SIDEWALK. DO WE KNOW THE HEIGHT THAT ON THE WALK DON'T WALK? HOW HIGH THEY PUT THE, UH, THE SIGNAGE FOR THAT OFFHAND? I DON'T KNOW. WALK, SIGN ON THE CORNERS. THERE'S A WALK. OH, YOU'RE SAYING THE BLOCK THERE. THEY'RE LITERALLY NEXT. DON'T WALK. UM, SORRY. YEAH, I SEE IT, BUT IT'S NOT UNDER IT. IT'S SO HOW, HOW MUCH OF THE CONSIDERATION HERE IS THE DESIRE NOT TO BUILD A NEW POLE? OH, THAT'S, THAT'S, I MEAN, THERE'S NOT REALLY ANYWHERE ELSE FOR A POLE TO GO. NO. YOU COULD USE THE SAME POLE, BUT IT'S, IT ALREADY IS AN EXISTING HEIGHT. CORRECT. IT WOULD SEEM ECONOMICAL TO USE THE EXISTING POLE, WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. YES. BUT HOW MUCH OF THAT, IF YOU WERE BUILDING YOUR NEW POLE MM-HMM . PUTTING IT IN THAT SPOT. YEAH. WOULD YOU STILL BE WANTING 20 FEET HIGH? OR MIGHT YOU WANT 15 FEET HIGH? NO, IT WOULD STILL NEED TO BE THAT TALL BECAUSE, SO THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE, WHERE THIS, THIS IS LITERALLY THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THIS SIGN CAN GO. THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT A POLE ON THIS PROPERTY. THE PROBLEM IS, AND IT'S HARD TO SEE, IS, IS THAT NOT ONLY IS THERE WALKING SPACE UNDERNEATH OF IT, BUT THERE ARE WIRES AND STRUCTURAL THINGS AND ALL KINDS OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ARE SORT OF OUT IN SPACE AS WELL. SO TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE CONFINES OF OUR PROPERTY AND ALSO HIGH ENOUGH TO NOT CAUSE AN ISSUE FOR ANYONE, UH, SAFETY WISE. THAT IS, AND ALSO BECAUSE THERE'S A REGULATION FOR HOW TALL THE, THE NUMBERS CAN BE AND HOW THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF MATH GOING ON. SO THAT WAS THE LEAST THAT WE COULD GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE POLE, BUT ALSO THE FURTHEST DOWN SO THAT WE FELT LIKE IT WOULDN'T BE A SAFETY HAZARD IN WAY. I MEAN, I RECOGNIZE THAT THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY CONGESTED CORNER. IT'S AN INCREDIBLY BUSY CORNER. YEAH. AND THERE'S EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE. I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT. BUT WHAT I CAN'T TELL FROM THIS [00:20:01] PICTURE IS, LET'S SAY YOU WERE TO MOVE THE CABINET DOWN SO THAT THE BOTTOM OF THE CABINET IS AT THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE DO NOT WALK POLE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW HIGH THE DO NOT WALK POLE IS. NO, WE DON'T. BUT I KNOW THAT THERE IS OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN THAT PICTURE THAT WOULD BE IN THE WAY OF IT. SO THAT AT THIS POINT WE HAVE THIS SIGN THAT YOU CAN'T SEE FROM THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKED BY ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE AROUND THERE. BUT ALSO IT DEPENDS AT WHAT ANGLE YOU'RE COMING AT. SO CONCEIVABLY, IF THEY LOWERED IT TO COMPLY, IT WOULD BLOCK THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. IT COULD JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE PEDESTRIAN SIGN IS BETWEEN SEVEN TO 10 FEET. OKAY? HMM. THE MINIMUM CROSSWALK SIGN. THE CROSSWALK SIGN IS BETWEEN, THE MINIMUM IS SEVEN. THE MAXIMUM IS 10 FEET HIGH. AND THAT'S TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. TO THE BOTTOM OF IT. YEP. OKAY. I THINK THE QUESTION WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS IF YOU SLID, HOW FAR COULD YOU SLIDE THE SIGN DOWN THAT THAT IS, THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ACCORDING TO THIS. THERE, YOU TALK ABOUT OVERHEAD WIRES. NONE OF YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS SHOW ANY OVERHEAD WIRES. OKAY. THEY, THEY ARE THERE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A BLOCK AWAY. GARY, CAN WE SEE THE OLD PICTURES? 'CAUSE THE OLD PICTURES? NO THEY DON'T. THEY DON'T, THEY, THERE ARE NO WIRES ON ANY OF THE PHOTOS. YOU HAVE LAST TIME'S PACKET ON THE NEXT STREET. 58. LIZ, WHILE THEY'RE CHECKING THAT, I AM STILL CONFUSED IF THIS SIGN, THIS, THIS SIGN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, JUST FORGET REALITY OF WHERE WE'RE SIX FEET LOWER. IT IS A NEW, IS IT A CONFORMING SIGN OR IS IT A NEW NON-CONFORMING SIGN? IT WOULD BE REMOVING A NON-CONFORMING SIGN AND MAKING A CONFORMING . SO WE WOULD BE, SO HYPOTHETICALLY IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO COME IN WITH THE SIGN YOU JUST DESCRIBED, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO ISSUE A PERMIT WITHOUT SEEKING A VARIANCE. OH, SO IT'S NONCONFORMING 'CAUSE OF WHERE IT'S HUNG, NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE SIGN IS LAID OUT. CORRECT. AND THE SIZE OF THE LETTERS OR ANYTHING ELSE? IT'S CORRECT. PURELY BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S THE HEIGHT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. COULD, COULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, AND YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, THE, UM, HEIGHT OF THE EXISTING SIGN, THE AC THE EXISTING SUNOCO SIGN, THAT ONE'S THE 20 FEET. WELL, UM, I DON'T MEAN WHERE IT'S HUNG. I MEAN THE, IF WE WERE USING THE WORD CABINET FOR THE NEW ONE, THE CA THE HEIGHT OF THE CABINET OF THE OLD ONE. I'M TRYING TO PICTURE IN MY MIND. 'CAUSE I CAN SEE PIC I CAN SEE PICTURES HERE OF WHERE THAT IS IN SPACE. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SHORTER THAN THE NEW CABINET. AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU HAVE A MEASUREMENT FOR HOW TALL THAT MIGHT BE. I DO. AND IT WAS, IT WAS PART OF THE, OR MY ORIGINAL VARIANCE APPLICATION. SO I, RIGHT HERE IT WAS, I'M TRYING TO FIND MY DENIAL LETTER 'CAUSE IT'S WRITTEN ON THERE. THIS WAS, UH, YOU WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSING 13.9 FEET WIDE. THAT WAS 'CAUSE IT WAS TWO THINGS. WE WEREN'T PROPOSING THAT THAT IS WHAT EXISTS. THAT WAS WHAT WAS EXISTING. EXISTING. IT'S UNDER THE COLUMN THAT SAYS PROPOSED. YEAH. SEE IF YOU SEE THAT. SO THAT WAS THE EXISTING SIGN. IT WAS ON BOTH THE, THE, THE PROPOSAL WAS HAVING TWO SIGNS ON, ON EITHER SIDE OF THE POLE. THAT'S WHY IT GOT SO WIDE. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE BOTTOM, CURRENTLY THE BOTTOM OF THE CABINET IS WHAT DID YOU WELL, HOW, HOW DID YOU SAY WHERE THE BOTTOM OF THE CABINET? WAIT, IT'S 13.2. YES. WELL, THERE, THERE, I BELIEVE IT'S TWO INCHES. 13, TWO INCHES. TWO INCHES. YEAH. SO OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY PEOPLE OR SIGNS THAT ARE, UH, MORE THAN 10 FEET AND THERE'S NO WIRES THAT ARE DEAD. WELL, THERE THERE ARE OTHER SIGNS. THERE'S A WALK SIGN IS RIGHT THERE, THERE, THERE'S A BIG POWER. THERE'S A, THERE'S A BIG POWER POLE THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IN THAT PICTURE. THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THERE. YEAH, THERE, THERE REALLY IS. OKAY. JUST SO I CAN, HERE'S HERE'S JUST SHOWED IT TO ME. I MEAN [00:25:01] THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A DRAIN FOR TROUBLESOME BROOK. AND, AND THERE'S A, THE, THE SIDEWALK IS VERY UNUSUAL. IT'S VERY NARROW SIDEWALK TOO. AND IT'S CURVED. IT'S, IT IS, IT'S A, IT'S A TRICKY INTERSECTION. IT'S RIGHT ON IT. BUT IF YOU WERE TO LOWER THE POLE, LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY YOU LOWERED THE POLE, THE THE SIGN THREE FEET. RIGHT? THAT WOULD BRING IT TO 10 FEET, TWO INCHES. MM-HMM . WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT? THE VISIBILITY OF THE SIGN TO WHOM? TWO PEOPLE DRIVING BY. AH, THAT'S YOUR CHOICE OF VISIBILITY. OKAY. WELL THAT, THAT'S THE POINT OF THE SIGN IS, IS THIS IS A, IT IT'S FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING. IT'S FOR CUSTOMERS THAT WOULD BE BUYING FUEL. SO THEY WOULD BE DRIVING BY AS, AS SOMEBODY WHO DROVE BY TODAY, IT WAS HARDER TO LOOK UP TO SEE THE SUDOKU SIGN. IT WAS NOT AT EYE LEVEL TO BE QUITE HONEST. OH, I DON'T HAVE MY THING ON. I'M SORRY. NO, IT'S OKAY. IT WAS NOT AT EYE LEVEL. YOU HAD TO LOOK UP TO SEE THE SIGN. AND A LOWER SIGN WOULD'VE ACTUALLY BEEN MUCH MORE VISIBLE. IT, IT ALSO COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN THE WAY OF PEOPLE. I MEAN, I, I IT'S SUCH A CROWDED INTERSECTION. PEOP THERE'S A BUS STOP ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE. ACTUALLY TWO BUS STOPS. THERE ACTUALLY ARE PEDESTRIANS AT THIS CORNER. AND IF, IF YOU ARE POTENTIALLY INVOLVING PEDESTRIANS AT, WITH, WITH A BIG THING THAT'S ONLY SIX FEET HIGH. NO, NO, I WAS SAYING PUT IT AT 10 FEET. OH, I SEE. AT 10 FEET. WELL, 10 FEET BECOMES, THAT'S THREE FEET LOWER THAN THEY'RE PROPOSING IT. IT COMES 16 FEET. IN OTHER WORDS, 10 FEET AT SIX. YOU'RE NOW AT THE 16TH FOOT HEIGHT. BUT BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU, IF THIS, IF THIS OTHER SIGNS ARE BETWEEN SEVEN AND NINE FEET, RIGHT. OR 10. OKAY. AND YOU'VE GOTTA COME DOWN, IT CAME DOWN TO 10 FEET OR WHATEVER. I'M JUST SAYING THAT, THROWING THAT OUT OR NOT SAYING THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD OR WOULDN'T APPROVE YOU. YOU COULD HAVE IT OUT OF THE WAY. SORT OF, IT WOULD NOT BE THIS GLARING THING THAT'S UNLIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. OKAY. THE, THE, WE, WE, WE DID ASSIGN ALMOST EXACTLY LIKE THIS RIGHT UP THE STREET AT THE SUNOCO ON THE SAME ROAD. UM, SO THERE IS A, A TINY BIT OF PRECEDENCE FOR A SIGN THAT'S SIMILAR TO THIS. UM, DOESN'T, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE IN HARTSDALE? MM-HMM . YES OR NO? YES. I'M SORRY. YES. EXCUSE ME. SO IS IT SIMILAR OR EXACTLY. IT'S SIM IT IS SIMILAR. IT IS SIMILAR. THE SIGN IN HARD SCALE. UM, I, I DID NOT DO THAT. I JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS THE DESIGN WHERE IT IS, IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT WHERE THEY HAVE THE, THE LOGO ON THE TOP AND THEY HAVE THE DIGITAL PRICERS. UM, I COULD, SO IT WOULDN'T BE COMPLETELY OUT OF, UH, UH, JUST CATEGOR WISE. I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF 10 FEET WOULD BE IN THE WAY OF ANYTHING. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE SIGN, IT'S SIMILAR TO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE CABINET IS SIMILAR. YOU DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER OF THE EXIGENCIES ARE SIMILAR OR NOT. SO THE, I MEAN THE, IT IT, IT LOOKS SIMILAR IS, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT VISUALLY IT WOULD BE SIMILAR. UM, WAS THERE A VARIANCE FOR THE HARTSDALE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. THE HARTSDALE IS BA IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MOUNTED MAYBE FIVE FEET ABOVE THE GROUND. I MEAN, IT IS THE SIM SIMILAR SIZE CABINET, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT IN A CROWDED CORNER. IT'S OVER IN A SPOT WHERE NOBODY BOTHERED WITH IT. IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S A, IT'S A, A DOUBLE POST SIGN. SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT SIGN IS LIKE COMPLETELY NEW. AND MAYBE THAT WAS A BAD EXAMPLE BECAUSE THERE'S IS OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT, UM, SITUATION AT THAT PROPERTY. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THE, THE VISUAL, IT IS SIMILAR. THE CABINET IS SIMILAR. THE CA THE CABINET TELL US IT'S GOT THE LOGO ON THE SAME AND THEN IT'S GOT THE PRICE RANGE. OUR ISSUE IS NOT THE VISUAL OF THE SITE AS WE'VE LEARNED THAT THAT'S NOT, YOU SAID THAT IT'S QUITE LARGE. WE WE'RE NOT BRIGHT. THE DESIGN OF WHAT IS IN THE CABIN. IT IS NOT ANYTHING WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE. 'CAUSE WE'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT'S NOT THE VARIANCE ISSUE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT HOW BRIGHT IT WOULD BE AND IN YOUR FACE. SO I I WAS JUST SAYING THAT IT WOULDN'T BE SIMILAR. ANY O OTHER QUESTIONS? I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I, I THOUGHT THAT IT COULD BE LOWERED A BIT, BUT WE'RE NOT PRESENTED WITH ANYTHING THAT'S HERE THAT I CAN JUST DEMONSTRATE, [00:30:01] SAY BASED UPON, WHICH IS A LITTLE LOWER. YEAH, THERE'S LOT. BUT I HAD MORE INFORMATION. I MIGHT BE ABLE TO, I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T SEE THE BASIS FOR US, UH, HAVING IT UP SO HIGH. BUT, SO, UH, IF WE DID SOME TRAFFIC STUDIES AND MADE SURE THAT IT WASN'T IN THE WAY OF ANYTHING, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GONNA COME INTO PLAY THAT IF WE LOWERED IT A FOOT OR TWO, THAT THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. I'D HAVE TO SEE IT. OKAY. BUT I HAVE NOTHING THAT, I MEAN, HEARING THAT THE, UM, HAVING WORKED FOR TRAFFIC FOR A BULK OF MY CAREER, UH, I WOULD SAY A TRAFFIC STUDY IS NOT THE KIND OF THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I, I KNOW, I KNOW. UM, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T MEAN LIKE A TRAFFIC STUDY LIKE THAT. I MEANT LIKE BEING IN TRAFFIC AND BEING ABLE TO SEE THINGS WITHOUT BEING IN THE WAY OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY EXISTING AT THAT PROPERTY. LITERALLY JUST SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS IN THE RIGHT PLACE. NOT, NOT A TRAFFIC STUDY. I, THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT. I'M SORRY. I MISSPOKE. OKAY. WELL NOT HEARING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. UH, IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE OR ONLINE? UH, ANYONE. ANYONE MINE WANTS TO SPEAK, PLEASE FEEL FREE. OKAY. NOT HEARING ANYONE? NO. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE? OKAY. I, I THINK WE'VE, UH, CAN MOVE ON. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 26 12. STEVEN . OH, GOOD. TO THE BOARD. UH, GETTING TO THE TOWN STAFF. UH, MY NAME IS MARK BLANCHARD. UH, I'M THE BLANCHARD LAW GROUP. I'M THE ATTORNEY HANDLING THE VARIANCE APPLICATION. WE WERE, THE OWNERS ARE HERE WITH ME AGAIN THIS MONTH, AS THEY WERE WITH US BACK IN JUNE. WE DID APPEAR IN FRONT OF YOU FOR OUR FIRST PRESENTATION IN JUNE. TOOK MANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD THAT EVENING, WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND MADE REVISIONS TO THE PLAN. WE ARE NOW IN FRONT OF YOU HAVING REMOVED ONE OF THE REQUESTED VARIANCES THAT WAS GOING TO BE INSTALLED WITH THE PROPOSED NEW CONSTRUCTION. WHAT WE HAVE NOW ARE JUST TWO VARIANCES THAT ATTACH TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO THE ENTIRE APPLICATION IS BASED UPON THE EXISTING SHED, THE SHED THAT GOES BACK THREE OWNERS TO SOMETIME IN THE NINETIES. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY BOARD MEMBER HAD TAKEN UP THE INVITATION TO GO TO THE PROPERTY AND SEE THE CORNER OF THE SHED, BUT I DID SUBMIT SOME PHOTOGRAPHS TO SHOW THAT, UH, TO SHOW THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. IF WE CALL IT, LET'S SAY THE TOP CORNER OF THE SHED, UH, THAT'S AT, UH, 7.5 IS BEING PROVIDED WHERE 12 IS REQUIRED. THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT AS IMPACTFUL AS IF WE WOULD CALL IT THE BOTTOM PORTION OF THE SHED. IT'S A 0.9 IS BEING PROVIDED AS PER THANK YOU, AS PER A STRICT APPLICATION TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S A PERFECT PICTURE. THANK YOU, GARY. PERFECT PICTURE THERE. BECAUSE IF YOU GO OUT TO THAT EXISTING CONDITION AND LOOK AT THE SHED, I WOULD REMIND YOU, NUMBER ONE, THE NEIGHBOR TO THE RIGHT OF THAT PICTURE, THE, THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT NEIGHBOR, AS DID ALL THE NEIGHBORS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE 19 MOUNT PLEASANT PROPERTY. THE NEIGHBOR IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THAT PICTURE, SUBMITTED A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE EXISTING CONDITIONS, YOU SEE THAT THERE IS DIRT, THERE'S A FEW FEET BETWEEN THE CORNER OF THE SHED AND A ROCK WALL. THERE'S PLENTY OF VEGETATION THERE. RIGHT. YOU HAVE NOT ONLY SHRUBS, BUT YOU HAVE LARGE TREES THAT OVERHANG ON THE CANOPY THAT COME OVER ON THE SHED. [00:35:01] SO THE EXIST, THANK YOU. THAT'S ANOTHER, THAT'S, SO THAT'S NOW WE WERE LOOKING UP TOWARD THE SHED. NOW WE'RE LOOKING DOWN TOWARD THE, TOWARD THE YARD AND THE STREET. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS NOT IN THE EXISTING CONDITION. IT IS NOT AS COMPRESSED AS THE 0.9 ACADEMIC, SORT OF ON PAPER MIGHT LEAD YOU TO BELIEVE. WHEN YOU'RE STANDING THERE AND YOU WALK THE PROPERTY THERE FEEL THERE'S MORE ROOM THERE. THERE'S A FEELING OF GREATER ROOM. AND SO YOU HAVE THIS EXISTING SHED THAT NUMBER ONE, IS INVISIBLE FROM THE STREET. RIGHT. SO WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT OUR FIVE PART BALANCING TEST, WE'RE HERE FOR AN AREA VARIANCE. THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IS, IS THE, IF, IF WILL APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE RESULT IN A CHANGE IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, BY DEFINITION HERE, BECAUSE THAT STRUCTURE HAS EXISTED FOR SO LONG AND THERE ARE NO COMPLAINTS FROM ANY NEIGHBOR, IT'S INVISIBLE TO THE STREET. THERE'S A LETTER IN SUPPORT OF ALL THE NEIGHBORS. AND NOTABLY, AS I SAID EARLIER, THE MOST, UH, IN DIRECTLY IMPACTED NEIGHBOR. THERE CANNOT BE ANY REAL REASONABLE ARGUMENT THAT APPROVAL WILL RESULT IN A CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT IT IS. THE CH THE CONDITION EXISTS. RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN TO REMOVE A VARIANCE THAT WAS REMOVABLE. AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ANALYSIS. AND I ALSO SUBMITTED PICTURES AND PROVIDED SOME CONTEXT OF A SHED THAT IS MADE OUT OF RECLAIMED WOOD. HAS HAND MILLED AND HAND CARVED, UM, MOLDING TO IT ON THE OUTSIDE. IT FITS WITHIN BEAUTIFULLY WITHIN THE AESTHETIC OF THAT YARD AND THE ROCK WALL AND THE TREES AND THE VEGETATION AND THE SCREENING. YOU CAN EVEN SEE THE ROCK WALL ON THE SURVEY PROVIDES MORE DISTANCE, EVEN THOUGH THE PICTURE DOES A MUCH BETTER JOB OF SHOWING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. EVEN ON THAT SURVEY, THAT ROCK WALL DOES DEPICT, CAN WE DEPICT, CAN GET THE PICTURE BACK AND CAN YOU SHOW US WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS? I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE PICTURE A STATE A MARKER. NO, BUT YOU KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. 'CAUSE YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE. SO THE PICTURE'S NOT GOING TO SHOW THE PROPERTY LINE. THE PROPERTY LINE IS POINT, UH, TECHNICALLY IS 0.9 FEET AWAY FROM THE BOTTOM CORNER OF THE SHED. RIGHT. SO THAT'S 10 INCHES AWAY. YEAH. BUT LOOK, THIS, THIS SHED WAS IN EXISTENCE THREE OWNERS AGO. IT'S CLEAR TITLE AND TRANSACTIONS THREE TIMES. AND WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ROCK WALL, THE VEGETATION, THE DIRT THAT'S THERE, IT REALLY, THE PROPERTY LINE BECOMES A LITTLE DECEIVING PROPERTY LINE FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. EXCUSE ME. THE PROPERTY LINE BECOMES A LITTLE DECEIVING BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S MORE ROOM FROM A PRACTICAL APPLICATION WHEN YOU ACTUALLY WALK THAT PROPERTY, WHICH THE PICTURE IS SHOWING ISN'T PART OF THAT, ISN'T MOST OF THAT ROOM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY? YES, PROBABLY. OKAY. RIGHT. BUT YOU HAVE THE, THAT'S THE SAME NEIGHBOR WHO CAME FORWARD. I AM IN SUPPORT ASK. OH, I HEARD YOU BEFORE. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ANALYSIS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE VARIANCE WILL RESULT IN A DETRIMENTAL CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBOR MOST IMPACTED SAID, NO, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. NO, I WROTE HIS LETTER. RIGHT. SO DID MR. EX, I, I, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER BACK TO JUNE. MR. KOVIC DID OR DIDN'T BUILD THE SHED? HE DID. HE HE ADDED ONTO IT. OKAY. THE STRUCTURE WAS THERE FIRST AND THEN HE DID A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADDITION ONTO IT. DID THE ADDITION ONTO IT, PUT IT CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE? YES, WE BELIEVE SO, YES. OKAY. SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY A LEGALIZATION ARGUMENT. YES. MM-HMM . DID, DIDN'T HE ALSO SAY THAT HE PUT IN THE CONCRETE BASE FOR THE SHED? YES. THE SHED IS VERY WELL CONSTRUCTED. OKAY. YEAH. AND IS THE POOL GOING BACK IN? I SEE THE POOL IN THE OTHER DRAWINGS. I DON'T SEE THE POOL'S THERE. YES, THE POOL IS FULLY COMPLIANT, BUT THE POOL IS THERE IN THE DRAWINGS OR IN HIS HOUSE? NO, NO. I'M SORRY. THE POOL IS THERE IN THE DRAWINGS. RIGHT? NO, YOU ASKED ME IF THE POOL IS GOING IN. THE POOL IS NOT THERE. NO, I WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT LAST TIME. YEAH. THE POOL IS PROPOSED. THE POOL IS PROPOSED. THE POOL AS PROPOSED WOULD OBVIOUSLY UTILIZE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. THAT IS WHAT'S TRIGGERING THE LEGALIZATION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO I WENT OUT TO THE PROPERTY AGAIN AFTER THE LAST MEETING. WE WALKED THE PROPERTY. THERE WAS A QUESTION OF CAN THE POOL BE MOVED OVER INTO THE MIDDLE? CAN THE SHED BE MOVED? THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY, WITH THE WAY THE YARD IS. WHY NOT? I, IT'S THE TOPOGRAPHY [00:40:01] WITH THE WAY OF THE YARD IS THE POOL IN AND OF ITSELF IS CONFORMING. I DID SUBMIT EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS A POOL NEXT DOOR TO THE APPLICANT'S YARD THAT IS VERY SIMILARLY SITUATED. THERE'S ALSO, LAST TIME THERE WAS A MAP, AN AERIAL MAP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBMITTED THAT SHOWS SIMILAR POOLS. THERE ARE POOLS IN-GROUND, POOLS SIMILARLY SITUATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT COMES BACK TO, HONESTLY, IT COMES BACK TO IMPACTS. IT COMES BACK TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS APPROVAL IS GOING TO THANK YOU, IS GOING TO RESULT THERE. THE, THE, UH, PROPERTY TO THIS TO, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE SOUTH, RIGHT BELOW YOU SEE A SIMILARLY SITUATED POOL. THAT'S THE AREA UP TO THE TOP RIGHT A LITTLE BIT. UH, WITH THAT GREEN POINT IS WHERE THE, THAT'S THE GENERAL AREA WHERE THE POOL IS GOING TO GO. YOU SEE THAT HEAVY VEGETATION ON, IN, ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE NEXT TO THE IMPACTED NEIGHBOR. SO REALLY WHEN YOU DID ALL KEEP, WE HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO THE FIVE PART BALANCING TEST. YOU HAVE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT'S INVISIBLE TO THE STREET MOUNT . YOU SEE HOW FAR AWAY MOUNT PLEASANT IS. RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S INVISIBLE TO EVERY OTHER NEIGHBOR EXCEPT THE MOST DIRECTLY IMPACTED NEIGHBOR. AND HE'S PROVIDED US, HE'S PROVIDED THIS BOARD WITH A LETTER IN SUPPORT. SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THOSE LOTS ARE A LITTLE CARVED UP, A LITTLE BIT IRREGULARLY THAT HOUSE NORTH OF US, A LITTLE CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THE POOL SOUTH OF US, CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY LINE. BUT THESE ARE LARGE LOTS. IT'S A VERY QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT'S HONESTLY, WHEN YOU WALK BACK AND YOU SEE THAT IN THOSE TREES AND YOU SEE THE DIRT AND THE EXISTING ROCK WALL AND HOW THOSE NEIGHBORS HAVE PEACEFULLY COEXISTED IN FULL TRANSPARENCY WITH EACH OTHER, IT DOESN'T COME TO YOU AS A 0.9 FEET. IT COMES TO YOU WITH MUCH MORE ROOM WITH THE LEGALIZATION. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE NOW HERE FOR. WE LISTENED TO THE BOARD. WE TOOK AWAY ONE THIRD OF THE VARIANCES. THERE WERE THREE WE ASKED FOR, WE'RE DOWN TO TWO. UM, WE THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION. AND WE'RE HERE NOW LOOKING THANK YOU. WE'RE LOST ME. SORRY. SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK THROUGH ALL THE PICTURES, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FIVE POINT BALANCING TEST, WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THIS STRUCTURE HAS BEEN THERE FOR DECADES WITH THREE OWNERS, THERE IS NO DISCERNIBLE IMPACT. WE'RE NOT ASKING TO EXPAND THE SHED. RIGHT. THE SHED'S AESTHETICALLY IT'S GORGEOUS AND IT FITS IN BEAUTIFULLY INTO THE, INTO THAT AESTHETIC OF THAT BACKYARD. UM, ALL WE'RE, ALL WE WANT TO DO IS WORK WITH JASON, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND, AND LIZ IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AND COME UP WITH A PERMITTING SCHEDULE FOR THE POOL AND TO LEGALIZE THE EXISTING SHED. COULD YOU SHOW US A PICTURE OF THIS GORGEOUS SHED? YEAH, I SUBMITTED, DID I SHOWED YOU? I, I DIDN'T SEE YOU. HAVE YOU HAVE I GAVE YOU PICTURES. I TOOK PICTURES FROM THINK WE SAW FROM THE SHED. I, YOU SEE IT, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. I REMEMBER GORGEOUS. YOU DON'T REMEMBER. I'D LIKE TO. THAT'S A MATTER OF WELL, IT'S A SUBJECTIVE MATTER OF OPINION. YES. BUT LOOK, MY DAD'S A RETIRED PLUMBER. ALL MY BROTHERS ARE MECHANICS THAT GENE SKIPPED ME WIDE. RIGHT. . I I CAN UNDO A LIGHT BULB AFTER THAT. DON'T ASK ME TO DO ANYTHING. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND IT'S RECLAIMED WOOD, IT'S HAND CARVED, IT'S HANDMADE, ESSENTIALLY. I, I, TO ME THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE. I MEAN, THAT'S A SUBJECTIVE OPINION. THAT'S NOT A LEGAL OPINION. BUT THAT TO ME, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE. YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF ORANGE AND RED COLORING AGAINST THAT WONDERFUL LUSH GREEN AND THE GREEN BEHIND IT. I MEAN, I, I I THINK THAT IT REALLY FITS INTO THE BEAUTY OF THE YARD. I WAS HOPING THE BOARD MEMBERS WOULD FIND THEIR WAY OUT THERE. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE GORGEOUS SHED, IT SHOULD BE RIGHT ON THE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW THE DIMENSIONS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I MEAN, THE DIMENSION WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IS 0.9 FROM THE PROPERTY LEVEL. RIGHT. BUT AREN'T THE DIMENSIONS THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S FOOT. YEAH. THE DIMENSION, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT IS RIGHT UNDER YOUR, I UNDERSTAND. SEE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. I DON'T SEE THE DIMENSIONS. WHY I DON'T, I THE DIMENSIONS HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED. IS THAT IMPORTANT? SO I, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. ON THE AUGUST 10TH, 2026 LETTER FROM YOU, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PARAGRAPH? UH, YOU CROSSED OUT PARAGRAPH THREE. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PARAGRAPH ONE AND PARAGRAPH TWO? PARAGRAPH ONE IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SETBACK FROM 12 FEET TO 0.90 FEET. SO I GOT THAT AND I SAW THE PICTURES. BUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S NUMBER TWO, PARAGRAPH NUMBER TWO OF THE LETTER? YEAH. MM-HMM . MAY 15. NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT AUGUST 10TH. YEAH. THE A AMEND, I'M LOOKING AT THE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ON THE LETTER BULLET IN BULLET TWO. UH, THE DIFFERENCE IS ONE CORNER OF THE SHED AND THE OTHER OH, IS IT? RIGHT. OH [00:45:01] YEAH. OH, I'M SORRY. OH, YOU MEAN YES. I'M MIRRORING THE BUILDING. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT I WAS LOOKING AT THE CONTEXT OF MY OH, THE COVER LETTER. YEAH. YEAH. THE COVER LETTER. THOSE ARE THE TWO VARIANCES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. RIGHT? THE NUMBER ONE IS THE, IT'S, UH, THAT'S THE BOTTOM CORNER OF THE SHED. THE MOST IMPACTFUL VARIANCE. MM-HMM . IDENTIFIED BY THE BUILDING. NOW I GOT THAT ONE. WHAT'S, HOW IS TWO DIFFERENT, TWO IS DIFFERENT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE PLAN THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN. TWO IS THE TOP CORNER THAT'S FARTHER AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, BUT STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE. OH, I SEE. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S, THAT'S NUMBER ONE ALMOST ON IT. THAT'S ONE. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS, THAT'S TWO UP HERE. YEAH. IN TERMS OF BULLET POINTS, THAT WAS ONE. AND THE TOP ONE IS TWO. I GOT IT. AND THEN THE THIRD BULLET POINT I LEFT IN THERE WITH A STRIKE OUT TO SHOW. THAT'S THE ONE WE HAVE. MM-HMM . OKAY. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THE TOP ONE, EVEN WITH THE VEGETATION AND THE ROCK WALL, THAT TO ME IS, IS I THINK THE LEAST IMPACTFUL TWELVES REQUIRED. WE'RE AT ALMOST EIGHT FEET, SEVEN AND A HALF FEET. BUT THE BOTTOM ONE, WHEN YOU'RE THERE AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU CONSIDER THE HISTORY OF THE EXISTENCE. YOU CONSIDER THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE SPACE, THE ACTUAL SPACE. YOU CONSIDER THE NEIGHBOR'S ACCEPTANCE OF IT. PRIOR TRANSACTIONS WHERE THESE PROPERTIES WERE BOUGHT AND SOLD. I MEAN, THIS WHOLE EXISTENCE OVER THERE HAS EXISTED IN, IN TRANQUILITY FOR DECADES. SO WE'RE JUST ASKING THIS BOARD NOT TO CREATE AN IMPACT, BUT JUST TO APPROVE AN EXISTING CONDITION. I HAVE TO ASK YOU, ASK A QUESTION BASED ON TWO THINGS THAT YOU JUST SAID. YES. YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT TOPOGRAPHY, UH, THE AERIAL PICTURE OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS AROUND, SHOW IT TO BE BASICALLY A GREEN LAWN. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON THAT PICTURE? THAT IS NOT, IT'S, IS THERE A, A DROP? IS THERE A HOLE? YEAH. OR WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON? WELL, WELL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOME KIND, IT'S NOT LIKE A STEEP PRECIPITOUS DROP OR ANYTHING. BUT WHAT IT IS WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN THAT'S A GREAT PICTURE. WHEN YOU'RE AT THE SHED AND YOU'RE COMING DOWN SOUTH, I'M SAYING SOUTH, I DON'T KNOW, WITH A NORTH DOWN, DOWN. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S MY SPEED. I THINK THAT'S NORTH. IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN AWAY FROM THE SHED, THERE IS A DROP OFF. AND IT'S MORE PRONOUNCED AS YOU'RE GOING LEFT, IF YOU WILL, OR AWAY FROM YOU, UP TOWARD THE WORD GREENBERG. THAT IT, THE, THE TOPOGRAPHY THERE MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT, REQUIRES MORE FILL. THE SPOT THAT IS SELECTED IS THE POOL ITSELF. REMEMBER THE FOOTPRINT IS FULLY COMPLIANT AND IS IN THE BEST SPOT. UM, ON, ON THAT YARD. IT'S ALSO IN THE MOST AESTHETICALLY PLEASING SPOT ON THAT YARD, SO THAT IT'S LEAVING AS MUCH OF THE GREEN SPACE THERE UNINTERRUPTED AS POSSIBLE. SO IT, IT LEAVES A BEAUTIFUL STRETCH OF GREEN SPACE. IT IS COMPLIANT. WE'RE ONLY HERE JUST TO LEGALIZE THAT SHED. SO IT'S AT THE HIGH POINT OF THE BACKYARD, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. IT'S THE MOST DESIRABLE SPOT. YES. AND YOU SAID THAT THE SHED, I THINK I REMEMBER FROM LAST TIME THE SHED WAS DOUBLED IN SIZE AT ONE POINT. YEAH, THERE WAS AN ADD-ON. I DON'T KNOW IF IT DOUBLED. SO THE QUESTION IS NOT DOUBLE NOT DOUBLED. NOT DOUBLED. ALRIGHT. WHEN, WHEN THE SHED WAS INCREASED IN SIZE. CORRECT. WAS IT INCREASED IN SIZE ON THE SIDE THAT IS 0.9 FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE OTHER SIDE? THAT'S 7.4. NO, I BELIEVE IT'S THE 0.9. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO AS THE SIDE THAT'S GOING INTO CREATING THE MOST IMPACT, THAT WAS THIS, THAT'S THE SIDE THAT NEEDS, THAT WE'RE WORKING FOR THE APPROVAL. THAT'S THE SIDE THAT WAS INCREASED. SO NONE OF THE TRANSFERS HAVE TAKEN PLACE WITH A 0.9? UH, UH, PERHAPS NOT. THAT'S TRUE. I MEAN, THE SHED WAS EXISTING. BUT THAT'S A GOOD COUNTERPOINT. IS THAT, THAT 0.9 FROM WHERE IT WAS ADDED ONTO, I IT WAS STILL WITHIN THE 12 FEET. BUT 'CAUSE THAT, THAT WHOLE SIDE IS, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, THE IMPACT GREW AFTER THE LAST TRANSACTION. SO I'M ASSUMING THAT IT WAS, IF 7.4 IS THE FURTHEST DISTANCE FROM THE WALL AND IT WAS ON AN ANGLE, I'M ASSUMING WHEN THIS WAS ADDED, IT WAS PROBABLY AT FIVE FEET FROM NOT IN COMPLIANCE, BUT LET'S SAY FIVE FEET VERSUS 0.9, WOULD THAT BE REASONABLE? UH, THREE TO FIVE PERHAPS. I MEAN, IT CERTAINLY WASN'T POINT, IT WASN'T AT LIKE, UH, 1.6 AND IT WENT TO 0.9. I MEAN, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS A WOODEN STRUCTURE. HOW IS THE WOODEN STRUCTURE CONNECTED TO THE CEMENT SLAB? I DON'T KNOW. BOLTED. IT'S BOLTED. OKAY. SO IF IT'S BOLTED IN, WOULDN'T IT BE CONCEIVABLE THAT YOU COULD UNBOLT IT AND MOVE THE CEMENT SLAB? NO. I MEAN, LOOK, YOU CAN MOVE ANYTHING BUT TO UNBOLT THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY, YOU'D HAVE TO DISMANTLE, YOU'D HAVE TO DISMANTLE THE ENTIRE, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS UNBOLTED PICKED UP, MOVED AND PUT BACK DOWN. WELL, IT'S BECAUSE IT ALSO CHANGES IF YOU'RE GONNA UNBOLT AND, AND MOVE THAT SHED INTO THE YARD TO MAKE THAT 0.9 MORE CONFORMING THAN IT CHANGES THE FOOTPRINT [00:50:01] OF THE CONFORMING POOL. IT PUSHES THE POOL BACK OUT INTO WHERE THE YARD BEGINS TO SLOPE OFF. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S 15 BY 30 APPROXIMATELY THE SHED. THAT'S A GOOD PICTURE. OKAY. AND IT'S, SO THAT'S LIKE A TRAILER. SO DOES THAT MEAN IT'S LIKE, LIKE A HOUSE TRAILER? I KEEP SEEING PICTURES OF THEM MOVING WHOLE HOUSES. SO I'M JUST COURSE THEY CAN JUST, OH, OKAY. . I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT ENGINEERING. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PRACTICAL. WE'RE IT'S NOT PRACTICAL. PRACTICAL OR DESIRABLE. RIGHT. IT, IT WOULD, YOU CAN'T, THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF THAT SHED, WHICH IS USED TO STORE TOOLS AND TO STORE, UH, ITEMS FROM THAT, FROM THE HOME, I MEAN THAT THE, THE ENTIRETY OF THAT SHED IS UTILIZED IN ORDER TO, YOU WOULDN'T, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO MOVE IT AND KEEP THE CURRENT DESIGN OF THE POOL AND KEEP THE CURRENT BEAUTY OF THAT YARD. IT WOULD CHANGE THE SHED ENTIRELY. YOU, YOU'D LOSE A LOT OF THAT SHED AND WE'RE AT, BECAUSE IT'S, IT EXISTED FOR SO LONG AND THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY DISCERNIBLE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE ASKING NOT TO MOVE THE SHED OR REDUCE IT. WE'RE ASKING FOR A LEGALIZATION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S NOT 0.9 TO THE NEXT PRACTICAL PLACE WHERE THE NEIGHBOR'S GOING TO BE ENJOYING HIS OR HER YARD. THERE'S QUITE A DISTANCE THERE. A SUFFICIENT SETBACK OF ROCK WALL OF THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. RIGHT. THE NEIGHBOR PRO WHO'S TRANSPARENT, WHO'S CONSENTED TO THIS MM-HMM . SO, I MEAN, I, I DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA BE REPETITIVE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF BEING REPETITIVE, BUT THIS IS IMMENSELY IMPACTFUL TO YOUR ANALYSIS. THE NEIGHBOR'S CONSENT, THE LENGTH OF TIME IT'S BEEN THERE, AND FROM THE PRACTICAL APPLICATION, EVEN THOUGH YES, THERE ARE, IT IS NOT FULLY OUR PROPERTY. BUT LOOK AT THAT, HOW THAT IS UNDER HOW, LOOK AT THAT EXISTING CONDITION. IT'S FAR LESS IMPACTFUL WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE WALKING. YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU COULD, YOU HAVE, YOU COULD WALK FULLY, I'M KIND OF A BROAD SHOULDER PERSON. I WALKED FULLY BEHIND THAT SHED WITHOUT, UH, INTERRUPTION. RIGHT. BUT IF THE NEIGHBOR, FOR INSTANCE, BUILT THE FENCE, I REALLY GO AND LOOK, YOU COULDN'T EVEN SQUEEZE THROUGH. JUST, JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM SOMETHING. UM, SO THE, THE SHED WAS INCREASED APPROXIMATELY 150 SQUARE FEET FROM THE ORIGINAL SIZE. UM, THE DIMENSIONS, LIKE SHAUNA SAID, IS APPROXIMATELY 15 BY 30. AND WE DON'T CONSIDER THIS A SHED BECAUSE OF THE, THE SIZE. IF IT'S OVER 150 SQUARE FEET, IT'S CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT HAS TO BE, HAVE THAT CLEARANCE FROM THE SIDE YARD. LOT LINE, UH, I KNOW SHED KEPT BEING USED, SO I JUST WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD. IF IT WAS A SHED, WOULD IT BE IN COMPLIANCE? NO. WHAT IS THE SETBACK FOR A SHED? SO THE LIMIT TO A SHED IS 150 SQUARE FEET. SO IF IT'S, NO, BUT I'M SAYING THE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE SET SETBACK, THE SETBACK IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET FOR ANYTHING FROM 101 TO ONE 50 IS FIVE FEET. ANYTHING FROM A SMALLER SHED THAT'S UP TO A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET IS THREE FEET. MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 10 FEET FOR A SHED. WHEREAS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HAS A GREATER SETBACK AND A A LARGER HEIGHT. OKAY. THE BIGGER IT GETS, THE FURTHER IT HAS TO BE AWAY. CORRECT. THANK YOU. BUT BASED UPON THIS SIZE MM-HMM . HE, HE WOULD STILL NEED THE TWO VARIANCES, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. YES. OKAY. SO THE, THE ONLY THING I WANNA SAY IS, IT KIND OF GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT I'LL SAY IT LIKE, BEFORE HE WENT OUT THERE AND BUILT THIS, WHY DIDN'T HE LIKE CALL AN ARCHITECT OR CALL MR. BLANCHARD AND SEE IF HE COULD DO IT? HE DIDN'T BUILD IT. HE DID. HE ADDED TO IT. HE ADDED TO IT. HE ADDED TO IT. UH, YOU KNOW, LOOK, LOOK. 2020 HINDSIGHT. YEAH, NO, I KNOW, I KNOW. OKAY. BUT I MEAN, LOOK, THAT, THAT'S A SALIENT POINT. YOU KNOW, THAT OR A RELEVANT POINT, I SHOULD SAY. THAT'S A RELEVANT POINT AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I, I LOOK, I I, THAT'S A GREAT POINT, BUT THE ONLY ANSWER THAT I HAVE TO, THAT REALLY IS TO RELY UPON THE HISTORY HERE AND THE NEIGHBOR'S CONSENT. SO, AND IT'S, I I THINK THAT'S, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE POINTS, I THINK THAT'S INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT. MM-HMM . HOW MANY YEARS HAS YOUR CLIENT LIVED THERE? OVER 10 YEARS. 2013. 13 YEARS. SO YOU HAVE THE PICTURES NOW WE, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTATION. WE CLEARED UP THE PLANS FOR YOU BASED ON YOUR QUESTIONS LAST TIME. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU? APPARENTLY NOT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU JASON, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE? SOMETIMES PEOPLE WANT TO COME UP. [00:55:01] I DON'T KNOW. . OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THE NEXT CASE IS, I AM GOING TO REALLY TRY YOUR BEST. 26. YEAH. 26 13. GO, GO TUR. OKAY. HE JUST WENT TO THE BATHROOM. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HE DOESN'T MIND. UH, I GO NEXT ONE. 26 15 JOSEPH PAN. 2014. 14. 14. 14. I'M SORRY. 26 14. UH, ALLEN COOK. 9 8 3 HIGHLAND ROAD. SCARSDALE. WE HAVE TWO SCARSDALE TONIGHT. YES. GOOD EVENING BOARD. UH, MY NAME IS ALAN COOK. I'M THE OWNER, THE APPLICANT, AND THE PROFESSIONAL FOR THIS, UM, VARIANCE FILING. I'M SORRY, IN INTO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE. OKAY. UM, SO WE FILED A PERMIT EARLY JUNE, AND I JUST WANNA READ THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE FROM THE PERMIT FILING. SO WE PROPOSED A NEW ON GRADE T-SHAPED TURNAROUND AND OVERFLOW PARKING STALL AT OUR FRONT YARD TO FACILITATE SAFE VEHICLE DIRECTION CHANGE ON PROPERTY PRIOR TO ENTERING TRAFFIC AT HIGHLAND ROAD. THE PARKING STALL WILL UTILIZE PERVIOUS PAVERS BY TECHNO BLOCK TO MAXIMIZE DRAINAGE AND MINIMIZE ASPHALT ON SITE. THE PARKING STALL WILL BE FURTHER SCREENED BY PLANTINGS ADJACENT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. OKAY. SO IN ESSENCE, WE ARE SEEKING TO ADD A TURNAROUND ON OUR, AT THE FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY TO FACILITATE OUR ABILITY TO SAFELY ENTER OUR HIGHLAND ROAD HEAD ON. UH, AND ADDITIONALLY PULL OUR INTO OUR, UH, DRIVEWAY HEAD ON. UH, WE FOUND THIS TO BE THE SAFEST WAY TO NAVIGATE THE HIGH SPEED MOTORISTS WHO, UH, APPROACH OUR DRIVEWAY UP THE HILL ON HIGHLAND ROAD FROM ARLEY ARDSLEY ROAD AROUND A BLIND CORNER. OUR VEHICLE'S BEEN HIT ONCE AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CLOSE CALLS. UH, WE'VE FOUND THAT MOST MOTORISTS ARE UNWILLING TO SLOW DOWN, TO LET US, UH, BACK IN TO HIGHLAND ROAD SO THAT WE CAN PULL SAFELY ONTO, UH, HIGHLAND, UH, UH, AS WE LEAVE OUR DRIVEWAY. AND SO, UH, ALTHOUGH THE, THE TURNAROUND ASPECT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE HERE FOR US, WE ALSO WANTED TO CREATE A SPACE THAT IS LONG ENOUGH, HENCE THE VARIANCE REQUEST, UH, FOR US TO FACILITATE AN ADDITIONAL ONSITE PARKING STALL. UM, IT WILL ALSO SERVE A PRACTICAL PURPOSE, UM, WHEN THE TURNAROUND IS USED, UH, AND, AND A CAR IS BACKED COMPLETELY OUT OF THE WAY, IT ALLOWS US TO, UM, EFFECTIVELY, UH, USE BOTH SIDES OF OUR GARAGE. UM, AND THEN, UH, SO ULTIMATELY WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR HERE IS AN INCREMENTAL FIVE FEET OF WIDTH, UH, TO INCREASE THE OVERALL DRIVEWAY WIDTH FROM, UH, TO 35 FEET, UM, AND INCREASE THE DEPTH OF THE PARKING STALL TO 18 FEET. AND THAT'S ONLY FOR THE TURNED AROUND SPOT, CORRECT? NOT THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY. SO THE, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN HERE ON SITE, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS 17 FEET AND TWO INCHES WIDE, UH, AT THE MAJORITY OF THE DRIVEWAY. AND IT FLARES TO A LITTLE WIDER, UH, WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY. MM-HMM . AND SO THE PROPOSED PARKING STALL HERE IS 18 FEET DEEP BY 14 FEET WIDE. YOU CAN SEE THAT ATTACHED JUST A, A T-SHAPED PERPENDICULAR APPENDAGE THAT SITS BACK ONE FOOT FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY. UH, AND WE ARE WELL WITHIN OUR, OUR RIGHT HERE IN TERMS OF SIDE YARD SETBACK AT 16 FEET. UM, THE LAST THING THAT I'LL, I'LL MENTION, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE QUESTIONS, WE HAVE SOLICITED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM BOTH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHO SHARE A SIDE YARD LOT LINE, AND FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, WHO WILL ACTUALLY SEE THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL PARKING STALL DIRECTLY FROM HIS PROPERTY. AND ARE YOU THE HOMEOWNER? I AM. OKAY. YOU'RE MR. COOK? CORRECT. OKAY. I I JUST WANNA SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THE RENDERING OF WHAT THE PAVERS WILL LOOK LIKE. [01:00:01] IT'S GORGEOUS. OH, GREAT. THANK YOU. BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. OKAY. UM, AS YOU EXPECT, RIGHT, IT'S 18 FEET DEEP. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT SEEMS VERY EXCESSIVE SEEM. A CAR IS MAYBE NINE FEET IF YOU PUT IT ALL THE WAY IN THERE. SO IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE . I'M SORRY. NO, BUT CARS ARE NOT NINE FEET. YEAH. NO, THEY'RE NOT. OUR PRIMARY VEHICLE IS APPROXIMATELY 17 FEET IN LENGTH. AND SO THE TOWN CODE, THE TOWN CODE ACTUALLY HAS A PROVISION THAT TALKS ABOUT ACCESSORY ON SITE PARKING. THE REQUIRED DEPTH IS ACTUALLY 20 FEET. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO REDUCE AN 18 FEET IF YOU ADD A CURB AT ONE END OF THE PARKING STALL. SO WE SPECIFICALLY MADE THIS 18 FEET ALSO TO DEMONSTRATE COMPLIANCE WITH ACCESSORY ONSITE PARKING PER THE TOWN ZONING CODE. MM-HMM. OKAY. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THIS FOR ACCESSORY PARKING? WELL, BOTH, IT'S BOTH THE PRIMARY, IT DOESN'T MENTION THE PARKING IN THE APPLICATION. IT, IT, THAT WAS MY CONCERN IS THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MORE FOR PARKING. IT'S IT'S FOR BOTH. AND SO THAT'S WHY I READ SPECIFICALLY WHAT LANGUAGE WE INCLUDED IN THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION WHEN I FIRST STARTED. SO, AND I CAN READ THAT AGAIN. UM, SO THE, WE'RE PROPOSING A NEW ONSITE T-SHAPED TURNAROUND AND OVERFLOW PARKING STALL AT OUR FRONT YARD TO FACILITATE SAFE VEHICLE DIRECTION CHANGE ON PROPERTY PRIOR TO ENTERING TRACTOR HIGHLAND ROAD. OKAY. SO ASIDE FROM THE TURNAROUND, WHICH I GET THE, UM, ACCESSORY PARKING, HOW MANY CARS DO YOU HAVE AND HOW MANY SPOTS DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR DRIVEWAY? WE HAVE THREE CARS. OKAY. AND WE, WE HAVE THREE VEHICLES, UH, AND WE HAVE TWO IN OUR GARAGE. MM-HMM . AND THE RED CAR THAT YOU SAW IN THE PHOTO IS USUALLY LEFT IN OUR GARAGE. WE ALSO HAVE THREE DAUGHTERS WHO WILL BE DRIVING AND WE'LL ALL HAVE CARS. OKAY. UM, SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ADDITIONAL TWO VEHICLES, UM, ON PROPERTY. AND THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR GUESTS WHO, YOU KNOW, NO, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING? I'M AN ARCHITECT. ALRIGHT. HOW DID I KNOW? YEAH. , HE'S, WHAT IS THIS, IS THIS PART OF A, A LARGER REMODELING OF THE HOUSE? NO, NO, BUT WE DO, BUT IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AND WE DO PLAN TO REPAIR THE TWO WALLS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY. UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DILAPIDATED. SO WE'RE DOING SOME MINOR REPAIRS. THOSE ARE, ARE ALLOWED AS A BRIGHT, GIVEN THE HEIGHT OF THE WALL. I THINK WE THOUGHT THAT BECAUSE THE RENDERING, THE DRY PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PAVER SHOWS A DIFFERENT HOUSE. WE THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TURNING YOUR HOUSE INTO. OH, INTERESTING. I'M NOT, OKAY. YEAH. I WAS PUZZLED BY THAT, THAT OH, I SEE, I SEE. WE THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE DOING. VERY NICE. YEAH. SO, SO THAT'S A STOCK IMAGE FROM THE MANUFACTURER OF THE PERVIOUS PAVING BLOCKS. YEAH. AND LISTEN, WE'RE, OUR INTENTION IS TO MINIMIZE YOU KNOW, IS TO MINIMIZE RUNOFF. WE HAVE A DRY, WELL ON SITE. WE HAVE A DRAIN IN FRONT OF OUR GARAGE DOOR. YOU KNOW, OUR DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, RUNS OFF THERE NOW. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE INCREMENTAL, YOU KNOW, RUNOFF AND WATER COLLECTION THAT IS, UH, IT'S RUNNING TO OUR DRY. WELL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I REALLY LIKE YOUR DRAWING OF THE, UH, OF THE PAVERS ALSO. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT, . YEAH. I MEAN, LISTEN, THE INTENTION HERE IS TO MAKE IT DISAPPEAR. YOU KNOW, WE WANT THIS TO BLEND IN WITH THE EXISTING PROPERTY AND, YOU KNOW, BE RESPECTFUL TO THE, TO THE STATE, KNOWING THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, A VARIANCE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE WANNA COMMENT ON THIS CASE? OKAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GAR. YES. ANYONE ONLINE? UH, NO. SO WE GO BACK TO 26 13. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS HENRY GONZALEZ. UH, I'M THE PERMANENT ADMINISTRATOR FOR COOL POOL, AND I'M HERE WITH GIL GONER, WHO'S THE HOMEOWNER AT 14 HEART STONE CIRCLE, HAR HEART, STONE CIRCLE IN SCAR. OKAY. CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? YES. OR PULL THE MIC DOWN SOME. OKAY. OKAY. UM, I'M HERE, UH, WITH GILL. UM, WE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION ABOUT A YEAR AGO FOR A, UM, FOR A POOL RENOVATION. SHE HAS AN EXISTING LINER POOL, AND, UH, SHE PURCHASED A HOME 1, 2, 2 YEARS AGO WITH AN EXISTING POOL THAT WAS BUILT, UH, IN 2012 WITH A PATIO. UH, AND SHE'S INTERESTED IN LOOKING TO RENOVATE, UH, WITH [01:05:01] SOMETHING THAT TAKES UP A BIGGER FOOTPRINT, WHICH IS, I THINK, THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE. UM, OH, SO THE, SO THE EXISTING, OKAY. SO YOUR PERMITTED, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE IS 0.25. UH, AND, UH, THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR 0.28, UH, 28.6. UM, COULD YOU, UM, ONE, SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT LOUDER? SURE. AND TWO, WHAT IS JUST LIKE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE SCOPE OF YOUR PROJECT? YEAH, SURE. SO, SIR, HER POOL IS A LINER POOL. UH, THERE'S LINER MATERIAL, THERE'S LINER MATERIAL. THERE'S ALSO, UH, A METAL PANEL THAT'S BEHIND THE LINE OF MATERIAL. YEAH. AND THE BOTTOM IS LIKE A VERMICULITE, WHICH IS LIKE A, LIKE A SANDY MATERIAL THAT'S GETTING REMOVED. AND IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT, THEREABOUTS, UH, WE'RE CONSTRUCTING, OR WE WE'RE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A, A GUNITE POOL, WHICH IS MADE OUTTA CONCRETE. IT'S REINFORCED THROUGH THE REBAR, AND, AND THEN IT'S FINISHED WITH A PLASTER FINISH, WHICH IS A HIZO. AND THAT JUST MEANS THAT IT'S CEMENT, IT'S A CEMENT, UH, POOL. SO IS THE, THE NEW POOL WOULD BE IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT? IT, IT, IT IS IN THE SAME FOOTPRINT, YEAH. OKAY. I'M, I'M MAKING ALL THE NOISE NOW. AND YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT DRAWING THERE, UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, IT'S A LITTLE LESS, UH, UH, PRONOUNCED, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING POOL BEHIND IT. SO YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF WHAT WAS EXISTING AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. AND THE, THE RELIEF YOU WANT IS WITH THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS 25%, AND THE PROPOSED IS 28.36%. WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE, UM, SO WHAT PERCENTAGE? PRESENTLY, WHAT SHE PURCHASED IS ABOUT 300 SQUARE FEET OVER WHAT THE PERMITTED IS. AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE REMOVING AND WHAT WE'RE PUTTING BACK, THE DIFFERENCE IS 614 SQUARE FEET. SO SHE HAS ABOUT 300 OVER, AND THIS WORK WOULD PUT HER ABOUT 912 THEREABOUTS OVER, UH, WHAT'S PERMITTED, WHICH IS 0.2 900. WHAT, OH, 3.8 SQUARE FEET. WELL, OKAY. SO THE TOTAL DIFFERENCE WOULD BE 3.8%, UH, SOME OF WHICH SHE ALREADY HAS. OR NINE. OR NINE OR NINE. OH YEAH, SORRY. YEAH. SO THE VARIANCE IS GOING TO BE EITHER, MY NAME IS OOK MANOLA. YOU GET NA MANOLA. UM, THE VARIANCE IS GOING TO BE EITHER 900 SQUARE FEET PER, THE CALCULATIONS ARE 3.8%. SO, UM, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE WE ARE CHANGING FROM ALIGNER TO GUNITE, THEN THAT KIND OF SLIGHTLY MOVES THE POOL, BUT IT'S IN EXACTLY SAME PLACE. UM, LIKE, WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OTHER CHANGES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY MENTIONED, UH, DURING THE LAST MEETING WAS LIKE, CAN WE, WOULD WE CONSIDER USING AN IMPERVIOUS, SORRY, FAVOR, UH, PAVER. AND, UM, THEY SUGGESTED SOMETHING DIFFERENT. AND I SAID, YES. LIKE, 'CAUSE WE, WE REALLY, I MEAN, ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANTED TO DO CHANGE THIS, LIKE TO GUNITE, I DIDN'T THINK THIS WOULD TAKE TOO LONG, WAS MY DOG, I HAVE A HUGE RHODESIAN AND I WANTED HIM TO BE ABLE TO SWIM. UH, 'CAUSE LINER IS NOT VERY, UM, KIND OF SAFE. UM, SO, BUT IT'S BEEN LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, , IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR LIKE TWO YEARS NOW. SO I HAVE A, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SURE. YEAH. THE POOL IS PRETTY MUCH IN THE SAME LOCATION. YEAH. SO CHANGING FROM VINYL TO GUN, I GET THAT WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE BIG CHANGE IS THE SIZE OF THE PATIO. AND I CAN ONLY CALL IT LIKE THE TOP HERE FROM THE SHALLOW END. I'LL CALL IT THE SHALLOW END. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE STAIRS ARE. THAT THAT HAS BEEN MOVED OUT. UH, THAT'S WHERE THE BIG EXPANSION IS. AND FOR THE PERGOLA. SO IF YOU COULD GIVE US, UM, WHAT THE DIMENSIONS ARE OF THE PERGOLA AND WHAT IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU ARE GOING FROM THE EXISTING PATIO AREA TO THE NEW PROPOSED PATIO AREA? UH, THAT WOULD BE, I CAN, I CAN WORK ON THAT. THE PERGOLA IS 12 BY 20 AND, I'M SORRY, 12 BY WHAT? WHAT'S [01:10:01] THAT? 20? YEAH. 12 BY 20. AND IN THE PICTURE, I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE PAVERS GO UNDERNEATH THAT. SO I WOULD THINK IT LOOKS LIKE, GIVEN THAT'S THE SIZE OF THE PERGOLA, I GUESS YOU'RE GOING OUT ANOTHER 10 FEET FROM THE CURRENT CURB TO WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING TO GO. WELL, YEAH. THE PERGOLA DOESN'T HAVE HAVE ANY PAVERS THOUGH, THIS DIMENSION FROM HERE TO HERE. WHAT IS THAT? THAT WELL, WELL, THAT THE PERGOLA IS 20 LONG, SO MAYBE 17, 16, NOT 15. MORE THAN 15. LESS THAN 20. OKAY. AM I READING THIS, THAT YOU'RE ADDING A, UH, A DRY WELL TO THE PROPERTY? CORRECT. SO HER EXISTING POOL HAS, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, FOR THE GUTTERS. AND, UH, PART OF THIS DESIGN WOULD, UH, NECESSITATE, UH, UH, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT, WHICH WE SUBMITTED. AND IT'S UNDER REVIEW. BUT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ACTUALLY GONNA EXCAVATE, PUT A DRAIN IN AND, AND CONTAIN WATER ON THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? CORRECT. AS A MITIGATION OF THE INCREASED IMPERVIOUS AREA ON THE PROPERTY. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IN THE ADDITION OF THE PATIO AND THE PERGOLA, THAT DOES NOT VIOLATE SETBACK? NO. NO. OKAY. THAT'S TAKING MOST OF THE BACKYARD. OKAY. UM, JUST A RECOMMENDATION IN THE FUTURE. A LEGEND ON THE PLANS. WHAT IS THIS? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS BIG BLACK LINE WITH THE RECTANGLES IS. THIS IS A WOOD DECK. I DON'T KNOW EITHER. I'M JUST, IT LOOKS LIKE A FENCE. ITS A FENCE. SO WE DON'T FEEL BAD. YEAH. , IT'S A FENCE. WHAT? FENCE. FENCE. BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S A FENCE. OH, OKAY. WELL, THE, THE, THAT DARKEST LINE IS, IS, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT ONE? YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S CALLED, THAT'S CALLED THE SILT FENCE. SO WHEN, WHEN YOU BUILD, UH, BEFORE YOU START BUILDING, YOU PUT UP A FENCE THAT'S MAYBE ABOUT THIS TALL AND THAT DOESN'T STAY THERE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, GOING TO BE REMOVED WHEN THE WORK IS DONE. IT'S JUST THAT THE DIRT DOESN'T, UH OH, OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, LEAVE THE CONSTRUCTION SITE. OKAY. THERE'S LIKE A CERTAIN AREA THAT YOU'RE CONFINED TO AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES YOU STAY IN THAT AREA. AND, AND WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE LARGE EXTENSION OF THE PATIO? I DON'T, I, I WASN'T IN THE DESIGN MEETING FOR IT. UH, BUT I'D IMAGINE THAT WHEN YOU'RE ADDING THAT PERGOLA, IT, MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SOME MORE PATIO SPACE. I MEAN, UM, I, I, WE DID ASK FOR A PERGOLA, BUT I DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING UNDERNEATH THERE. SO IT REALLY NEEDS TO SIT ON THE GRASS, ACTUALLY. SO, UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING WHEN YOU SAY, BECAUSE TO ME, LIKE WE, WE DIDN'T ASK ANY EXTENSION FROM THE COMPANY. WE JUST SAID, WE DON'T WANT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LINER POLE. WE JUST WANNA DO A GUNITE POLE. AND WE RECEIVED THIS DESIGN AND WE, WE WENT FOR THE PERMIT. THE BIGGEST PART OF YOUR VARIANCE REQUEST OF, OH, SORRY. THE BIGGEST PART OF YOUR VARIANCE REQUEST IS THE PROPOSED PATIO. MM-HMM. THAT'S THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. THAT THAT REALLY IS THE, THE BIG CAUSE OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE HAVE A PATIO AROUND RIGHT. AROUND THIS. AND THEY'RE EXTENDING THAT PATIO, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT 10 FEET FURTHER, CORRECT? YEAH. YEAH. SO, UH, I MEAN, YEAH. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE EXTENDING THE PATIO TOWARDS THE HOUSE A COUPLE OF FEET? MM, YES. OKAY. YEAH. SO, OKAY. SO LET'S CUT BACK THE PATIO. 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE, HERE. OH, UM, THIS IS THE EXISTING LINE AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED, I THINK, SO THERE, THERE IS A SMALL DIRT AREA THERE RIGHT NOW THAT THE PREVIOUS OWNER USED FOR LIKE, HERBS AND THINGS. I THINK THEY'RE JUST COVERING THAT AREA. THEY'RE THEY'RE COVERING HALF OF IT. YEAH. BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT BIG. IT'S JUST, AND, AND THIS IS YOUR EXISTING LINE? UHHUH . CORRECT. AND SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS, IS ADDED. YOU'RE NOT, YEAH, I'M, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, AND I, AGAIN, I WASN'T PART OF IT. I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION WHERE WE DIDN'T WANT THE PAPERS TO GO ALL THE WAY UP AGAINST THE HOUSE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, THAT, I THINK YOU WANNA LEAVE THAT ROOM FOR PLANTING OR SOMETHING. AND SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE. AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD CUT BACK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IT WOULD, IT WOULD HELP US IN THIS ARGUMENT. SO YOU'RE THE POOL CONTRACTOR, WHO ARE YOU? UM, I'M THE [01:15:01] PERMIT ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE POOL COMPANY. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WEREN'T INVOLVED 'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN IN THE ARCHITECT IN THE, IN THE DESIGN. YEAH. WELL, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY, THE DESIGNER WHO, OKAY. YEAH. BUT, UH, I MEAN, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH PROPERTY IS HERE IN THIS LOT? UH, 30, ABOUT 30,000 SQUARE FEET. IS THAT A HALF ACRE OR MORE? UH, IT'S LESS THAN A HALF ACRE. MORE THAN AN ACRE'S. 44,000. OH. SO IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN, IT'S LIKE THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE. I THINK IT'S LIKE 0.67, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, SO THIS WORK WOULD COST HER MORE MONEY, BUT IT WOULD GRAB MORE WATER. RIGHT. IT WOULD CONTROL THE WATER. AND, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T REALLY KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT HERE TO SELL ANYTHING. I JUST DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE OF THESE MEETINGS NOW. RIGHT? SO SHE HAS AN EXISTING PATIO AND THERE'S NO SORT OF MANAGEMENT, RIGHT. SO SHE'S LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA CONTROL THE MANAGEMENT, WHICH IS GONNA COST HER MONEY. AND, YOU KNOW, SHE'S BEEN WAITING TWO YEARS TO TRY TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE GIST, GIST OF IT. SO, SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN? IS IT THE EXTENDED AREA? LIKE WHAT, WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK? BASICALLY, YOUR VARIANCE IS BECAUSE YOU'RE ADDING TO THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. MM-HMM . AND THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT YOU'RE ADDING IS PATIO AREA. IT IS NOT THE POOL ITSELF. OKAY. AND YOU, YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE MOST, AND IT, AND EVEN HALF OF THE PERGOLA WOULD, WOULD BE UNDER WHAT'S EXISTING THERE. I MEAN, THEY'RE GET, YOUR ARCHITECT IS OBVIOUSLY GETTING RID OF CURVA LINEAR LINES AND GOING RECTANGULAR. CORRECT? YES. GOT IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I REQUESTED. YES. RIGHT. THAT, THAT YOU CAN SEE. BUT THE BULK OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA IS ALL OF THAT PATIO. AND IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERGOLA. SO IF YOU, IT'S ABOUT HALF OF THE PERGOLA, MAYBE A THIRD, MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW. SO IF YOU REMOVE THE PERGOLA, THAT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE IF YOU MOVED IT OR CUT IT IN HALF OR, OR YOU OR REMOVED IT. YEAH. THERE WOULD BE LESS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THERE'S, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. UH, A LOT, A LOT HERE OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. SURE. SURE. UM, WE CAN GO BACK. YOU, YOU ALSO HAVE THE WOOD DECK COMING OFF, AND THEN THE SCREEN, SCREEN PORCH, THEY'RE EXISTING. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. THEY'RE EXISTING. I KNOW THEY ARE. YEAH. RIGHT. DOES THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THAT COUNTS AS YEP. IT COUNTS AS IMPERVIOUS. IT DOES A WOODEN DECK. ANYTHING THAT OBSTRUCTS THE NATURAL FLOW WATER IS CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS. SO EVEN, WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD BE CALCULATED ON, ON THIS SITE, ON THE PERCENTAGE. SO WHAT THE BOARD IS SAYING IS IF YOU REDUCE THE PATIO MM-HMM . THE ONE THAT YOU ENLARGED, RIGHT. YOU WOULD REDUCE THE PERCENTAGE. THE PAVILION OBVIOUSLY OBSTRUCTS THE, YOU KNOW, THE FULL WATER OR SO THAT'S CONSIDERED, UH, IMPERVIOUS. SO YOU'D EITHER HAVE TO REDUCE THE PATIO OR REDUCE THE, UH, THE PAVILION, OR YOU COULD REMOVE AN EXISTING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT'S ON YOUR LOT TO THE TOWN OF GREENBURG CONSIDERS, UH, A PERMEABLE PAVER ASSEMBLY AS NON, THAT'S STILL CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS. ANYTHING THAT OBSTRUCTS THE NATURAL FLOW OF WATER. CORRECT. THAT'S HOW IT SAYS IN THE CODE. EV, EVEN IF IT GRABS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT, THAT IT GRABS BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE STORM, INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM. EVEN A DECK THAT HAS GRASS UNDERNEATH. CORRECT. WHICH IS IMPERVIOUS. CORRECT. 'CAUSE THE DECK IS BLOCKING WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THE LOGIC OR NOT, THAT'S WAY IT, THAT HOW IT'S DEFINED IN THE CODE. AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CODE. I, I THINK YOU SHOULD POINT OUT THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY. IT IS UPHILL FROM THE, UH, CATSKILL AQUEDUCT AND THE PI. THERE'S NO HOUSE OR STRUCTURE DOWNHILL. CORRECT. FROM THE BACKYARD HERE, IT FLOWS DOWN. RIGHT. YOU ARE ALSO MITIGATING IT BY CREATING A, A DRY WELL SITUATION. RIGHT. SO I CANNOT IMAGINE A SPOT THAT WILL BE LESS IMPACTED BY, UM, ADDITIONAL GROUND COVER THAN THIS PARTICULAR SPOT. CORRECT. AND I'M JUST RIGHT. LIKE, YEAH. SO THE, UH, THE PERSON WHO WAS DESIGNING THIS, THEY, UM, LOOKED AT WHERE THE DRAINAGE WOULD BE AND SO YOU'RE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL YEAH. CUL DRAINS, CORRECT? YES. TO [01:20:01] ABSORB THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WOULD BE CREATED BY THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, AS WELL AS THE ROOF OF THE PERGOLA. AND WELL, THERE'S NO ROOF ON THE PERGOLA, RIGHT? IT'S, IT IS AN OPEN ROOF. OKAY. WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED PERGOLA HAS A ROOF OUS. OKAY. WELL, IS IT AN OPEN ROOF OR ANY, OR A CLOSER? WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS ON WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. WE JUST HAVE A BOX. IT LOOKS LIKE A ROOF BECAUSE OF THE PITCH. BUT THAT'S THE WAY OH, ISN'T THE FLOOR THE PERGOLA PERUS? NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OPEN. IT'S LIKE A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WOOD FLOOR. OKAY. PERGOLA IS, IS THIS PERLES, PERGOLA IS A STRUCTURE WITHOUT A ROOF. RIGHT? IT HAS SUPPORTS THERE. YOU COULD HAVE LIGHTS THERE, YOU COULD HAVE A, A PIECE OF CLOTH. RIGHT? IT HAVE, IT'S NOT A PAVILION. SOMEBODY SAID PAVILION, BUT THE FLOOR OF THE PERGOLA IS STILL IMPERVIOUS, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW. IS IT? WELL, IF IT'S A SOLID FLOOR, YEAH. I DON'T SAY IT HAS GRASS UNDERNEATH IT. I THINK IT'S SAFE ASSUMPTION. IT'S IMPERVIOUS UNDERNEATH IT. WE, WE WON'T HAVE NO, I WOULDN'T HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ON THE PARKING LOT. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN I WOULDN'T WANT TO, BECAUSE I LIKE TO STEP ON THE GRASS. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THE ONE, WHAT I SAW WAS JUST LIKE A, YOU KNOW, WOOD STRUCTURE AND THEN LIKE A SHAPE ON TOP. THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT IT. 140 FROM YOUR CALCULATION, I THINK. NO. SO THE CALCULATION WAS ACTUALLY DONE BY YOUR DESIGN PROFESSIONAL WHO CALCULATED THE SERVICE RIGHT. BY, BY BY. SORRY. YEAH. SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A REDUCTION THERE. YEAH, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A REDUCTION THERE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? UM, MY, MY ONLY QUESTION IS, UM, WAS WERE THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE SIZE OF THE CULTEC DRAINAGE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE? YEAH, SO THERE'S, THERE IS, UH, THE REQUIREMENT FOR 25 YEAR STORM IS SIX, UH, SIX FEET, UH, 6.4 INCHES OF RAINFALL. UH, SO THE REQUIREMENT IS 327 CUBIC FEET. AND, UH, THE PROVIDED IS 351 CUBIC FEET, ONE CUBIC FEET PLUS WHATEVER PERVIOUS SURFACE WOULD BE WOULD, UH, OKAY. PLUS WHATEVER IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT DOES THAT DOES RECEIVE WATER, WOULD, WOULD ALLOW, WOULD ADD TO THAT CALCULATION IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, NOT IN THIS JURISDICTION. OKAY. SO THEN HOW MUCH OF THIS ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS NOW GOING TO BE DRAINING OR FLOWING TOWARDS THE, UH, CALTECH DRAINS AS OPPOSED TO FLOWING DOWNHILL, WHICH ACTUALLY LOOKS DOWNHILL, IS TOWARDS THE CALTECH DRAINS? SO, SO THIS, THIS MATERIAL, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE READ, UH, CAPTURES ABOUT 60% OF, OF WATER, UH, THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE PAVERS. AND THEN THE PAVERS THEMSELVES HAVE, UH, UH, THERE, IT'S CALLED OPEN GRADING. SO RATHER THAN THEM BEING PLACED LIKE THIS, UH, CLOSE UP AGAINST EACH OTHER, THERE'S A SPACING. AND, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH SPACING IS PROVIDED, UM, THAT MATERIAL THAT IT'S FILLED WITH, WHICH ALSO HAS THAT SAME RETENTION OF 60%, UH, IT, IT, IT ALLOWS MORE WATER TO GO IN THROUGH THAT, UH, THROUGH THAT OPEN GRADING. AND, UH, AND THEN BELOW THAT IS WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED, WHICH IS A MATERIAL THAT'S 60%. IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF PERMEABILITY, UM, NOT IN THIS JURISDICTION, BUT IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS. AND SO, UH, THE, THE CALCULATION FOR THIS LARGE OF A PATIO, WHICH IS ABOUT 1500 SQUARE FEET, UH, IS SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK OF 500, UH, GALLONS [01:25:01] OF WATER THAT WOULD NOT GO INTO YOUR, UH, DRAINAGE SYSTEM. I'M SORRY, REPEAT THAT LAST PART. UH, FOR A, FOR A 1500 SQUARE FOOT PATIO, UH, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WOULD NOT TRAVEL INTO THE CULTEC SYSTEM BECAUSE IT WOULD PERMEATE THROUGH THIS, UH, IMPERMEABLE SURFACE WOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE BALLPARK OF 500 GALLONS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT CASE. MADAM CHAIR, DID YOU ASK IF ANYONE IN THE, UH, AUDIENCE? I DID. I SAW HE WAS LOOKING. YEAH. SO THIS IS 26 15 JOSEPH PANA, 24 LAKE PARK, LO AVENUE, WHATEVER COMFORTABLE FOR YOU. DO I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN. SURE. OFF. GOOD EVENING BOARD MEMBERS. UH, MY NAME IS SERGEANT JOSEPH FROM CROSIER GU ARCHITECTS. I'M HERE. CAN YOU SPELL YOUR NAME? I'M SORRY. SERGEANT. S-A-J-A-N. LAST NAME JOSEPH, J-O-S-C-P-H. I'M FROM CROSIER GUINEA ARCHITECTS, UH, REPRESENTING MYLINE, JOSEPH PAN. ANITA PAN, UH, 24 LARK AVENUE. UM, THE PROPERTY IS, UH, LOCATED IN R 10 ZONE. UM, IT'S A CORNER LOT AND, UH, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A REAR YARD SETBACK VARIANCE. THE EXISTING REAR YARD IS 30 FOOT NINE, AND, UH, THE REQUIRED IS 28 FEET. UH, WE ARE PROPOSING A 19 FOOT REAR YARD SETBACK, LOOKING FOR A VARIANCE OF, UH, NINE FEET. UH, THE REASON WHY WE ARE REQUESTING IS THE BAY, THE SITE IS LOCATED, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A CORNER LOT. SO WE HAVE TWO FRONT YARD SIDE BACK SETBACKS, UH, ON THE PROPER COAT AND THE LOCK AVENUE, AND ALSO THE WAY HOUSE IS ORIENTED ON THE LOT. SO, UH, IF YOU SEE MOST OF THE, THE VARIANCE, WHICH, UH, WE ARE REQUESTING IS LIKE ALMOST HALF IS WITHIN THE SETBACK, UH, WITHIN THE CONFORMING. AND HALF OF IS LIKE GOING AS A NON-CONFORMING HERE. THE ONE WHICH I HATCHED UP HERE IS PRETTY MUCH, UH, THE ONE WHICH IS WITHIN THE CONFORMING. AND THE ONE WHICH IS ON THE TOP IS NONCONFORMING. IF THE LOT WAS, UH, THE HOUSE WAS ORIENTED PARALLEL, THE REAR YARD, WE WON'T HAVE AS MUCH ISSUE. BUT IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGE. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE. OTHERWISE, WE'LL BE GETTING A VISIT. SEE, SEE . SO, SO START OVER AGAIN, PLEASE. [01:30:01] OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UH, THE LOT, UH, UM, THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED ON A ART END ZONE AND, UH, THE REQUIREMENT IS 10,000 SQUARE FEET. WE ARE SLIGHTLY ABOUT 10,000. IT'S LIKE A 924 SQUARE FEET MORE. IT'S A CORNER LOT, UH, WITH TWO FRONT YARDS SET BACK. AND THE WAY HOUSES ORIENTED IS NOT PARALLEL TO THE REAR YARD. THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE, UH, UH, WE HAVE TO LEAVE 35, 25 FEET ON BOTH SIDE AND IT'S JUST HARDLY ANY ROOM FOR EXPANSION IN THE BACK. UH, IF, IF WE CONSIDER, UM, THE AMOUNT OF, UM, CONFORMING PORTION IS LIKE FOR THE ADDITION IS MOSTLY LIKE ALMOST 50% IS WITHIN THE CONFORMING AND ONLY, UM, MAYBE LESS THAN 50 IS NON-CONFORMING. WE IS THAT DARK RED LINE, THE WITHIN WHICH YOU HAVE TO STAY? EXACTLY. OKAY, THANK YOU. THERE WAS NO LEGEND. THAT'S ALL. LA AVENUE IS CONSIDERED THE FRONT? YES. AND OKAY, YOU'RE ON A CUL-DE-SAC HERE. THE BACK OF THE HOUSE FACES A CUL-DE-SAC. YES. BUT WHAT'S BEHIND THE HOUSE? ANOTHER HOUSE OR, YEAH, THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE WHICH IS, UH, THE FRONT YARD FOR THEM. AND WE HAVE NO OBJECTION LETTER FROM THEM. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES, UM, HOW IT LOOKS FROM THE BACK. I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU. SO THIS IS LOOKING FROM THE DECK TOWARDS THE BACKSIDE, THE REAR YARD. CAN YOU SHOW US SOME OTHER PICTURES? SURE. SINCE YOU HAVE 'EM, UM, I'LL SHOW ONE FROM, THAT'S ANOTHER I THAT'S LOOKING TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE NEIGHBOR. SO THIS IS, SHOW US THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND THEN SHOW US. OKAY. SO THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS THE BACK FROM THE, THE PIPER COAT. AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE FRONT, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO THAT'S THE FRONT, RIGHT? YES, YES. OKAY. AND DID I SEE ANOTHER DRIVEWAY ON THE SIDE OF THE BACK? WHAT DID I SEE? NO, THAT WAS THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. OH, SO THAT'S THE ONE IN THE BACK THAT'S NOT THE HOUSE. YEP. AND THAT'S THE REAR YARD FACES THE, THE FRONT YARD OF THE, THE PROPERTY BEHIND. AND SO THIS IS YOUR, YOUR REAR, REAR YARD? YES. YES. OKAY. SO I MEAN, IF THE SETBACK IS LESSENED, CONCEIVABLY IT MIGHT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PERSON WHO OWNS THAT HOUSE. I CAN'T REMEMBER. WAS THERE A WAIVER LETTER? YEAH, WE GOT A COUPLE OF, UH, WE GOT ONE LETTER FROM THIS NEIGHBOR AND, UH, ONE FROM THE SO YOU GOT A WAVER LETTER FROM THIS PERSON? YES. YES. CAN I SHARE? OKAY. SURE. UH, I'M GONNA SHARE SCREEN. OH, YOU CAN SHARE. CAN YOU SHOW US A PICTURE OF WHAT THE BACKYARD LOOKS LIKE NOW FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S VANTAGE POINT? SURE. CELL ON THE SCREEN NOW. OH, YOU SEE IT? I SEE IT. THE SUBJECT? YES. YEP. SEE IT SAYS LIKE, WE HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS, SO IT'S JUST, JUST LEAVES LIKE A 25 FEET FROM BOTH SIDE. UM, AND IF YOU SEE THE ONE ON THE LEFT SIDE FACING THE HOUSE, THAT HOUSE IS ALSO PRETTY CLOSE, SO WE DIDN'T WANNA GO TOWARDS THE, THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH JUST LEAVES AS A FOUR TO FIVE FEET. SO THE IMPOSED YES. DECK IS HERE OR HERE? UH, IT'S RIGHT ON THAT SHADED AREA. VERY CLOSE TO THAT GREEN MARK HERE. YEP. [01:35:01] GOT IT. AND THEN THE PROPERTY STEEP, LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF STEEP SLOPE GOING TOWARDS THE, UH, THE, UH, THE NEIGHBOR IN THE BACK. AND WE ARE, WE ARE PROPOSING THIS ON TOP OF THE EXISTING PATIO. UH, WE ARE NOT INCREASING ANY IMPERVIOUS, WE ARE STAYING WITHIN THE LIMIT. UM, THE ALLOWABLE IS AROUND LIKE A 30, 37 0.25. UH, WE ARE RIGHT NOW AT 36.31. SO WE JUST, WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING ON THE LOWER LEVEL. IT'S JUST GONNA BE ON COLUMNS, UH, VERY MINIMUM AMOUNT OF LAND DISTURBANCE. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS, THERE'S, CAN'T GET USED TO THIS. OKAY. THERE'S OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO. WHICH, WHICH OPTION ARE YOU DOING? OH, UH, IN THE LAST PAGE, THE VIEW RENDERING OF THE DRAWINGS. OH, IT'S, IT'S JUST AN OPTION TWO. UH, SO WHICH OPTION ARE YOU GONNA OPT FOR? IT'S, IT'S THE SAME DRAWING, JUST TWO DIFFERENT SIDES OF VIEW. OH, IT'S LIKE A LOOKING FROM THE BACK. OH, THE SIDE AND LOOKING FROM THE OTHER CORNER. OH, OKAY. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE ADDING A DECK AND SOME LIVING SPACE. SO THERE'S AN, THERE, THERE WAS AN EXISTING DECK. THERE WAS AN EXISTING DECK, WHICH WAS, UH, PRETTY MUCH ON TOP OF LIKE WHERE THE NEW ADDITION IS. AND WE JUST MOVING THAT DECK SIMILAR SIZE ON THE SIDE. SO YOU'RE MAKING THE DECK LARGER AND PART OF THE DECK WILL NOW HAVE AN ENCLOSED SPACE THAT THERE'S MORE ENCLOSED SPACE, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. BUT THE, THE, THE DISTANCE FROM THE EXISTING DECK TO THE PROPERTY LINE SEEMS TO REMAIN THE SAME. IS THAT CORRECT? MORE OR LESS? IT'S, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT CHANGING DRASTICALLY JUST BECAUSE THE WAY THE LOT LINE SITS. SO I CAN SHOW YOU YEAH. YOU'VE MOVED TO THE ANGLE WHERE THE LOT LINE GETS NARROWER. SO NOW EXACTLY, YOU'RE SAYING YOU SUDDENLY BECOME NON-COMPLIANT BECAUSE IT MOVED OVER? YES, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING IN AN ANGLE. OKAY. BUT CONSIDERING LIKE, UM, IF YOU SEE THE, THE EXIT, THE EXISTING DECK IS MORE OR LESS LIKE THIS UP HERE. IT'S STILL NON-CONFORMING INTO THE, BUT WE JUST, UH, BUILDING ON TOP OF IT AND JUST ADDING MOST OF THE DECK IS, UH, UNDER CONFORM IS JUST A LITTLE BIT, WHICH IS GOING OUT INTO THE VARIOUS, SO CURRENT DECK, UM, PERMITTED. IS IT LEGAL? UH, I DON'T KNOW. JUST, UH, WELL, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CURRENT DECK IS NONCONFORMING. IT LOOKS LIKE THE NEW DECK IS CONFORMING. UH, IT'S SLIGHTLY OUT. UH, WELL, I MEAN VERY SLIGHTLY. YEAH. VERY, VERY SLIGHTLY. YES. WE DID FEW STUDIES LIKE HOW WE CAN AVOID THIS, BUT, UH, GOING ON THIS SIDE WAS A LITTLE TOUGH BECAUSE OF THE NEIGHBOR VERY CLOSE BY. AND WE FOUND THIS AS A BEST, UH, LOCATION, UH, IN TERMS OF EVEN THE LAYOUT WISE INSIDE THE HOUSE WHERE WE WANT TO EXPAND, UH, THAT COULD BE THE BEST POSSIBLE OPTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW MANY SQUARE FEET WOULD YOU SAY? UM, THE NEW DECK, THE EXISTING DECK IS, AND THE NEW EDITION PLUS THE NEW DECK IS, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THOSE TWO? IS THAT, WHAT'S, IS THAT THE NUMBERS WE'RE SEEING? UM, OR IF NOT, I CAN GET YOU THAT NUMBER. SO THE PROPOSED DECK IS AROUND 14 FEET BY 12 FEET. UM, THE EXISTING IS, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE RECTANGULAR, BUT IT'S MORE OR LESS THE SAME AREA. THE ADDITION IS 12 FEET BY 25 FOOT SIX. IT'S BASICALLY 11 FOOT DIFFERENCE. OKAY. OKAY. AND ALSO, LIKE WHEN WE WERE STUDYING DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UH, IF YOU GO TO THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH IS IN THE FRONT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANY ADDITION IN THE FRONT. WE WANNA KEEP THE, THE SAME NATURE OF THE, THE BUILDING WHICH MATCHES WITH THE, THE NEXT DOOR OR REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UH, IF WE DO ANYTHING OVER THERE, THEN [01:40:01] WE HAVE TO ADD ONTO THE, UH, PERVIOUS SURFACE, THEN IT'S GONNA INCREASE OUR IMPERVIOUS CALCULATION. SO WE WANNA JUST KEEP IT UNDER, IS THE EXISTING DECK SHADED BY LARGE TREES FROM THE NEIGHBOR? NO, WE JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF TREES ON THE, THE PIPER COAT THAT SITE. A COUPLE OF TREES WHERE, UH, ON THE, THE EDGE OF THE PIPER CORD. PIPER CODE? YEAH, THE ONE CORD. OH, THE NEIGHBOR. YEP. THANK YOU. SO ARE, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL SCREENING MEASURES AND PLANNED IN EXCHANGE FOR THE LE LESS SETBACK? UH, WE HAVEN'T DECIDED ANYTHING ON THAT. UH, WE SPOKE TO THE NEIGHBOR IN THE BACK. THEY DIDN'T, UH, HAD ANY OBJECTION ON LIKE, HAVING THIS ADDITION. UH, THEY GAVE US A LETTER, UM, IF THEY HAD ANYTHING, LIKE, WE WOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER THAT, BUT THEY DIDN'T TELL US ANYTHING. THE REASON WE ASK THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE DECIDING THINGS, WHILE IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE LETTERS FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT WE DECIDE IS IN PERPETUITY. AND THEY WILL NOT ALWAYS BE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE. YES. SO THE DECISION, WHILE IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE NEIGHBORS COMMENTS, IT ISN'T A HUGE FACTOR. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM WHO'S, WHAT ARE PEOPLE GONNA THINK 50, A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW? DEFINITELY. WE'LL, WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PUT SOME SCREENING IN THE BACK. THAT'S GONNA ACTUALLY HELP US A LITTLE BIT MORE, GET A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIVACY, BECAUSE WE ARE DOWNHILL AND THEY ARE UPHILL. SO, UH, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO CONSIDER, UH, TO PROVIDE SOME SCREENING. HOW MANY TREES NEED TO COME OUT FOR THE PROJECT? UH, ACTUALLY NONE. THE ONE WHICH YOU SEE OVER THERE, IT HAD, IT WAS BEAKING AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF BRANCHES THAT FELL ON THE LAST STORM. SO THEY HAD TO REMOVE THAT. OKAY. SO WE ARE NOT REMOVING ANY TREES OR ANYTHING. UH, I'M SORRY, WHEN YOU SAID OVER THERE WHERE? OH, THE ONE, THE ONE WHICH YOU SEE THE ONE, THE BIG ONE. UH, RIGHT. WHICH IS SHEDDING THE WHOLE, THE BACKYARD NEXT TO THE NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE TO THE LEFT SIDE FACING THE HOUSE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER YET ABOUT, DO WE HAVE AN ANSWER YET ABOUT THE LEGAL STATUS OF THE EXISTING DECK? THE, THE EXISTING DECK FROM WHAT THE RECORDS REFLECT, WAS BUILT IN 1961. UM, WITH THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE, WE HAVE NO SUBSEQUENT PERMITS FOR ANY OTHER DECKING. SO THE ASSUMPTION IS IT WAS ISSUED AS CO THAT IT WAS COMPLIANT AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S NO DIMENSIONS ON THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE, SO IT'S HARD TO TELL. OKAY. SO IT WAS LEGAL IN THE SIXTIES WHEN IT WAS BUILT. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE EITHER HERE OR THERE? THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. SURE. AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE IS CASE 26 16. AND THAT'S 47 TERRYTOWN ROAD. YES. HOW ARE YOU ALL? I APOLOGIZE FOR MY KRAMER HERE AND MY CRAZY OUTFIT, BUT , WE LITERALLY SAT IN TRAFFIC FOR LIKE TWO HOURS COMING UP HERE FROM, UH, WE'RE BOTH FROM SOUTH CAROLINA. WE FLEW INTO NEWARK TODAY, AND, AND IT WAS JUST, WE DROVE THAT STORM WAS CRAZY. SO LUCKILY IT'S CALMED DOWN SO EVERYBODY WILL GET HOME SAFE. UM, I'M HERE FOR A LUCKY STRIKE. UM, AND BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, OH, SORRY. IT'S, UH, TINA R CURIE AT COASTAL SIGN SERVICES. UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A LARGER THAN ALLOWED, UH, HEIGHT ON THE SIGN. UM, I BELIEVE WE'RE ALLOWED TWO FEET HIGH. WE'RE LOOKING FOR THREE AND A HALF FEET. UM, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE, OR WE FEEL LIKE THE NEW SIGN [01:45:01] IS MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING. UM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA BE REMOVING THE WORD BOWL FROM THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. UM, SO IT WOULD JUST BE ONE SIGN WITHOUT A, UM, LOGO, JUST VERY CLEAN, LUCKY STRIKE. UM, ALSO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A SLIGHTLY LARGER SIGN THAN WHAT'S ALLOWED IS BECAUSE THE SIGN IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROAD SIGNAGE AT THAT LOCATION. AND THERE ARE BUILDINGS IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING, UM, THAT JUST KIND OF MAKE IT HARD TO BE VISIBLE. WHY DON'T THEY PUT ON THIS, WHY DON'T THEY PUT ON THIS? I WAS THERE TODAY. SHOW KNOW. HE SAYS THAT NO, DOES, BUT I, YEAH, YEAH. BUT HE SAYS SOMETHING. HE SAYS, TAKING THIS WAY AND ADDING THAT BIGGER. SHE'LL BRING IT UP THERE. IT'S OKAY. THOSE ARE BIG LETTERS HERE. OKAY. ARE THE LETTERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE, UM, TO CODE? THEY ARE, YES. EXCEPT FOR THE LOGO. YEAH. OKAY. YES, YES. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS A VARIANCE APPLIED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. UM, WHEN KIRA, UH, PRIOR TO HER MOVING ON TO A DIFFERENT POSITION, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAD RESEARCHED IT AND, UH, IT CAME BACK THAT THERE WAS A VARIANCE APPLIED FOR MAYBE 19 60, 70 SOMETHING. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT VARIANCE IS FOR? UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS TO, UM, CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE, OF THE LETTERS, BUT IT WASN'T BOLERO. IT WAS, IT WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT AT THE TIME. SO THE BOLERO SIGNS THAT ARE THERE, UH, WHAT SIZE ARE THOSE? DO YOU KNOW? UM, OUR RECORDS SHOW THAT IT IS, HANG ON. UM, IT SAYS CURRENTLY INSTALLED AS 48.67 SQUARE FEET, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT MIGHT INCLUDE THE WORD BOWL ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL. IT SAYS HERE, TWO FEET IS PERMITTED AND YOU'RE PROPOSING 3.3 AND A HALF FEET. YEAH, RIGHT. I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THIS ONE? THE EXISTING ONE? I GUESS THEY'RE SAYING IT'S, SOMEBODY IS SAYING IT'S TWO FEET, RIGHT? THE LOGO IS DEFINITELY NOT, BUT ERO IS, IS TWO FEET HIGH. SO IN, IN 20 I, IN 2021, THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED FOR A FOUR FOOT LOGO IN HEIGHT BY FOUR FEET, 11 WIDE. AND THE REST OF THE LETTERING IS TWO FEET WITH A TOTAL WIDTH OF 19. AND, AND WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR THREE AND A HALF FEET HIGH, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE LOGO THAT IS THERE NOW. AND WE'RE GONNA BE REMOVING ONE OF THE SIGNS FROM THE BUILDING. SO IN ESSENCE, THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL ACTUALLY BE REDUCED. IS IS SOME OF THIS SHOPPING CENTER IN WHITE PLAINS AND SOME OF IT IN GREENBURG? THAT I DON'T KNOW. NO, NO, NO. IT'S ALL GREENBURG. IT'S GREENBURG A AS TINA SAID, AND I CAN JUST POINT THIS OUT, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH AN ISSUE WITH SIGNAGE ON THIS SPECIFIC LOT. THIS LOT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN A SHOPPING CENTER, IS A STANDALONE LOT ON, UM, PARCEL, I SHOULD SAY, ON, IN THE SHOPPING CENTER. THEY DO NOT HAVE AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN PUT A YARD SIGN, SO THERE'S NO SPACE FOR THEM TO PUT A YARD SIGN, UM, FOR THE SPECIFIC LOT. BECAUSE THE ENTRANCE IS RIGHT. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO SPACE FOR IT. YEAH. SACS HAS A SIGN ON THE ROAD, AND I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT ALSO ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE SMASH BURGER. YEAH. SO, AND THAT'S A SEPARATE LOT. UM, AND IT'S DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY. SO IT, IT MAKES VISIBILITY JUST KIND OF DIFFERENT. DI DIFFICULT. IT'S NOT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAY. IF YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU TURN INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER, YOU'RE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE BOWLING ALLEY. NOTHING ELSE. I'M JUST, WELL, IF, IF YOU, THE BOWLING ALLEY IS RIGHT THERE, AND THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IT GONNA BE OBSCURED FROM TARRYTOWN ROAD? AND I'M, UH, AND I'M SAYING THAT, YES, THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS THERE, BUT THE MOMENT, THE DRIVEWAY, THE ENTRANCE FROM [01:50:01] TARRYTOWN ROAD INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER, IT HAS A DIRECT LINE TO YOUR SIGN. IF YOU ARE COMING FROM THE SOUTH, THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GO FROM THERE. YOU CAN'T, YOU HAVE TO BE, BE THERE. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ENTRANCES TO THAT PROPERTY. THERE'S ONE RIGHT THERE BY SAX DOWN ON THE SOUTH FULTON STREET. HUH? YOU TALKING ABOUT FULTON STREET? YEAH. PEOPLE DON'T USE THAT. YEAH. FULTON STREET. YOU HAVE TO GO OFF TARRYTOWN ROAD. I MEAN, IT'S THERE THOUGH. NO, NO. IT, IT DOESN'T COME FROM ANYWHERE. SO IF LOOK AT FUL, FULTON STREET IS, IS ONE ENTRANCE INTO THAT PROPERTY, AND THEN UP ON THE NORTH, NORTH END IS ANOTHER ENTRANCE. BUT IF YOU ARE COMING FROM FULTON STREET, LET'S SAY YOU'RE COMING FROM THIS, I'M GONNA SAY SOUTH EAST, THAT'S A ONE WAY STREET. YEAH. IT'S ONE WAY GOING NORTH. OH. IT ISN'T A ONE WAY, IT'S ONE WAY. IT'S ONE WAY, ONE WAY. THAT WAY. THEN I STAND CORRECTED. YOU CAN'T COME FROM THE OTHER WAY, EXCEPT AT THE, AT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT. THAT'S BY, THAT'S WHY NOBODY USES FULTON STREET. RIGHT. MAKES SENSE. OKAY. SO I STAND CORRECTED ON THAT. YOU CAN USE IT TO EXIT. RIGHT. UM, BUT, BUT STILL, THAT'S LITERALLY OUR BUT GIVE PICTURE, BASICALLY IT'S LIKE THE SILLA AND CARB DISH. YOU HAVE SMASH BURGER ON THE LEFT WHEN YOU ADD DIRT AND YOU HAVE, WHAT'S THE WINE STORE ON THE RIGHT? YES. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S LITERALLY OUR ONLY SIGNAGE. AND WE'RE SET BACK SO FAR ON THAT PROPERTY THAT IT, IT'S LITERALLY THE ONLY IDENTIFICATION WE HAVE. BUT IT'S THE ONLY FALLING IN A LOFT, , AND A VERY LARGE FACE. LISTEN, I BOWL ON A LEAGUE EVERY MONDAY NIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO FIND MY BOWLING ALLEY. MM-HMM . WELL, NOT NOW. 'CAUSE I HAD A KNEE REPLACEMENT. PUT WHATEVER. I'M OUT, I'M OUT FOR LIKE SIX WEEKS. IS THIS OUT? IS THIS AN ILLUMINATED SIGN? IT IS, YES. YEAH, SURE. THE EXISTING SIGN IS ILLUMINATED AS WELL. HMM. THE EXISTING SIGN IS ILLUMINATED AS WELL. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IS THAT WE'RE REDUCING THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A SIGN THAT'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. UM, IT, IT GOES WITH OUR BRAND. IT GOES WITH THE LUCKY STRIPE. YOU KNOW, THE, THE SIGN ITSELF KIND OF COMES IN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THEIR LOGO. UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, REDUCING THE OVERALL SQUARE FOOTAGE AND JUST ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT TALLER LETTERS. AND WHO ARE YOU AGAIN? YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE BOWLING ALLEY? I, I AM NOT. I AM ACTUALLY THE YOU'RE THE SIGNAGE PERSON. I'M THE SIGN PER PERMIT PERSON. YEAH. OH, OKAY. YEAH. THIS WILL ALWAYS BE WHITE PLAINS BOWL TO ME. OKAY. I ALWAYS WANTED TO OWN A, A BOWLING ALLEY IN NA AT THE GUTTER BOWL, WHICH REFLECTED MY GAME. OH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN GOOD. THAT ACTUALLY WOULD'VE BEEN A REALLY GOOD NAME FOR A BOWLING ALLEY. YOU SHOULD DO IT. IT'S NEVER TOO LATE. ALL RIGHT. NO QUESTIONS. NO QUESTIONS IN THE AUDIENCE. NO QUESTIONS IN THE KITCHEN. COMMENTS, CONCERNS? NO. ALRIGHT. THANK Y'ALL. I APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER SIGNS IN THAT SHOPPING ROOM? THERE'S GET THAT, WELL, S IS SACHS IS OUT. IT'S NOW A HALLOWEEN STORE. YEAH. OH. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S THE END. AND THEN YOU HAVE A, A SMALL KIND OF RESTAURANT, AND THEN THERE'S, UM, BIG APPLE NO, BEFORE THAT. OH, YOU HAVE THE, UH, I CALL IT THE LIGHT STORE. YES. AND THEN YOU HAVE, THEN YOU HAVE APPLE NOT YEAH. THEN YOU HAVE APPLE FARM, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BOWLING ALLEY, AND THEN IT GOES AROUND THE OTHER WAY. SIX 15. YES. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH RIGHT. THAT AT THE TOP, BUT THAT BOWLING VALLEY MAKES A LOT OF MONEY. OKAY. CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? HMM? CAN WE TAKE A BREAK? YES, WE CAN. OKAY. TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. GREAT. YEAH, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT AT THE HEIGHT THEY'RE PROPOSING IT IS REASONABLE AND IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE IS NOTHING ELSE AROUND THERE THAT IS THAT HIGH. SO I WOULD POSTULATE GOING THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION VIRTUALLY EVERY DAY OF THE LAST 50 YEARS THAT IT IS, UM, THAT SIGN, THE 20 FOOT SIGN HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER. YOU DON'T NEED ANY SIGN THERE, HONESTLY, BECAUSE THE, THE GAS STATION ITSELF IS, IS ITS OWN SIGN. ON THE OTHER HAND, I AM WILLING TO AGREE IN MOST PART, TO THE FACT THAT RAISING THE SIGN [01:55:01] ABOVE THE OTHER CONGESTIONS, THERE MIGHT BE A BENEFIT FOR, FOR EVERYBODY. SO WHETHER IT HAS TO BE EXACTLY 20 FEET, OR IT COULDN'T BE 18 FEET, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT I, THE, THE, THE CABINET NEW WORD TODAY FOR ME, THE CABINET IS PRETTY MUCH IDENTICAL TO EVERY OTHER GAS STATION IN GREENBURG ALONG THAT STRIP. IT'S NOT OVERSIZED. YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER CABINETS, THEY'RE DOWN LOW. YOU CAN'T PUT A CABINET DOWN LOW THERE. THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY CONGESTED GAS STATION. THEY HAVE CARS PARKED ON TOP OF CARS PARKED ON TOP OF CARS. AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO MITIGATE MOST OF IT. IT BY PUTTING IT HIGH. WHETHER WE CAN ASK THEM TO PUT IT A LITTLE LESS HIGH, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST THE CONCEPT. THE CONCEPT IS TO ADVERTISE THEIR PRICES. I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU CAN'T MISS THE GAS STATION. IT IS GLARINGLY, YOU SEE SUNOCO FOREVER, BUT, SO I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT. I MEAN, THEY HAVE AN AS OF RIGHT TO HAVE A SIGN. THEY HAVE A AS OF RIGHT TO HAVE A CABINET THAT BIG. WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE AS OF RIGHT, IS THAT HIGH. THEY DON'T. BUT IF WE HELD THEM TO, IF WE DIDN'T GIVE THEM SOME KIND OF VARIANCE, WE'RE MAKING IT WORSE. WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM, AND I KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DICTATE WHAT VARIANTS WE'RE GIVING, BUT I I, I THINK WHAT THEY CAN BUILD THERE AS OF RIGHT, IS A BIGGER HAZARD THAN WHAT THEY, THAN WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR. RIGHT. IT IT'S SORT OF INVITING A CONFLICT WITH THE, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNAL. YEAH. NO, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. BUT, AND ALSO THERE'S A BENEFIT IN, AS OPPOSED TO THE SORT OF ANCIENT SUNOCO LOGO. I KNOW IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT, THERE'S A BENEFIT IN HAVING A SIGN THAT SAYS HOW MUCH THE GAS COST. IT'S A PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. MANY OF COMPANIES HAVE THAT ABOVE THE GAS PUMPS. MM-HMM . IN ANY VARYING SIZE, YOU KNOW, SOME HAVE IT JUST LIKE THIS. YEAH. BUT YOU CAN'T SEE. YOU COULD, THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE STREET. BUT WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING, YOU KNOW, UM, AND LOOK, THIS IS A, LIKE YOU SAY, YOU'VE DRIVEN PAST IT FOR 50 YEARS. I MEAN, THIS ISN'T A LOT OF, ONCE ONLY TOURIST PEOPLE KNOW, PEOPLE KNOW THE SUNOCO STATION THERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE KNOW GENERALLY WHICH GAS STATIONS ARE CHEAPER OR, BUT THEN YOU, THEN YOU NEVER NEED A SIGN. IT'S GOES RIGHT. BUT IT JUST, YOU'RE JUST SAYING WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. YEAH, WE DO. THEY COULD PUT A SIGN SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT I DON'T, I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT THAT HIGH. AND I DO AGREE THAT IF YOU MOVE IT LOW TOO LOW, YOU'D HIT PEOPLE'S, LIKE YOUR SON'S SIX FIVE. YES. UM, BUT IT ALSO DOES CONFLICT WITH OTHER SIGNS WHEN IT'S DOWN LOWER. I GET THAT. BUT I, THIS IS JUST SO HIGH UP. IT'S LIKE, IT REMINDS ME WHEN YOU'RE ON, YOU KNOW, US 80 GOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND YOU CAN SEE A SIGN HALF A MILE AWAY THE GAS STATION THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING SIDE. I KNOW. AND IT WAS REALLY, WELL, I'M SORRY, WHAT YOU SAY? I COULDN'T BELIEVE HOW HIGH IT WAS. I JUST SAID IT'S THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING SIDE. RIGHT. WHICH WAS VERY HIGH AND NONCONFORMING. YEAH. BUT IT, IT, IT, IT REALLY BLENDS INTO NOTHINGNESS. I, I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, I DO NOT NOTICE THAT SIGN AT ALL AT THAT INTERSECTION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SO BIG AND SO HIGH. WELL, WHEN IT'S ILLUMINATED AND HAS NUMBERS, THERE ARE LED YOU'LL NOTICE IT. THAT ONE'S NOT LED. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHITE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF DARKER. ALRIGHT. WITH THE LITTLE, WITH LITTLE POCKET OVER HERE. WE'VE DONE THIS. LET'S HEAR . YEAH. I MEAN, I, I'M OKAY WITH IT. I MEAN, LOWERING IT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERES WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IT PROVIDES. OH, IT'S, ITS TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS SEVEN FEET. I KNOW, BUT IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANNA LOWER IT, BUT FROM SOME ANGLE I SAID DOWN TO 10. YEAH. FROM SOME ANGLE IT'S GONNA BLOCK THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL IF YOU MAKE IT. AND MY SON COULDN'T WALK UNDERNEATH THE TRAFFIC. NO, THEY WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T ALLOW IT TO BLOCK IT. YEAH. DO THAT. IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE PICTURE. BUT I MEAN, I, I COULD CONCEIVE OF AN ANGLE WHERE IT DOES BLOCK IT. WELL, LOOK, LOOK AT, WELL, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NEXT PICTURE BECAUSE LOOK AT THEM, HOWARD, LOOK AT THE PICTURE UP ON THE SCREEN. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SHOWING A VERY HELPFUL PICTURE. YEAH, THERE IT IS. AND WHAT YOU SEE THERE, 'CAUSE THAT PICTURE YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE SUNOCO . WELL, ONE SUNOCO SIGN IS BLOCKING ANOTHER SUNOCO SIGN. RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S SO INTERESTING ABOUT THAT IS THAT THAT'S TAKEN FROM THE HEIGHT, I WOULD ASSUME, OF SITTING IN A CAR. AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING WHEN I TOLD YOU THAT THIS SIGN BLENDS INTO EVERYTHING AND SORT OF DISAPPEARS IN THIS PICTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PART OF THE, UM, THE OVERHANG [02:00:01] THAT GOES OVER THE PUMPS. SO IT'S, AS OPPOSED TO IT BEING THIS HUGE THING ON ROUTE 80, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A NON-ISSUE TO ME AS FAR AS STANDING OUT. I IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WITH THE, YOU SAYING THE EXISTING YEAH, THAT'S THE EXISTING, BUT NO, I KNOW. AND SO THE, THE ONE THAT'S GONNA REPLACE IT, IT'S GONNA BE AT THE SAME HEIGHT. GRANTED. LED. OKAY. THAT'S ITS OWN PROBLEM. I DON'T LIKE THE LED DRIVING CARS EITHER. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT'S, IT'S GONNA ALSO BLEND INTO THE WHOLE, WHEN YOU, YOU'RE GONNA SEE IT JUST LIKE YOU'RE SEEING THE, UH, THE BIG CANOPY OVER THE, UM, OVER THE GAS PUMPS. SO, AND THE GREEN IS OUT, RIGHT? THE, THE, THE SIGN THAT'S NOT GONNA BE CORRECT. YEAH, THE GREEN IS OUT. I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S NOT ALLOWED AT A GAS STATION. SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THE OTHER, THE THE EXISTING ONE, BUT JUST SMALLER AND FITTING ON THAT PANEL ON THE THERE IT'S NO THAT PAINTING IT BLUE THERE, IT'S, IT'LL BLEND IN EVEN BETTER WITH THAT PAINTING. THE POLE BLUE. BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GONNA BLEND INTO THE BACKGROUND OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, IN MY OPINION. LEWIS. AND IT'S NOT LIKE, I MEAN THIS IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL AREA BY ANY MEANS. PRECEDENT. PRECEDENT. PRECEDENT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. HMM. WHAT, WHAT WITH WHAT? THEY HAVE NO. WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. OH. ACTUALLY MOST WHAT I WOULD BE MOST INTERESTED IN IS THE PRICE AT THIS POINT. THAT'S THE ONLY THING MY WIFE AND MY DAUGHTER ARE INTERESTED IN TOO, IS WHICH GAS STATION HAS THE OH, THE PRICE OF GAS. YEAH. NOT THIS ONE. NO, I WAS GONNA SAY NO, SUNOCO IS GENERALLY EXPENSIVE. IT'S NOT THAT THIS WOULD BE THE CHEAPEST. RIGHT. BUT WHAT THE PRICE IS. OKAY. BOARD. WHAT A STRAW BALL. CHRISTIE, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION? I'M FOR IT. I I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I'M OKAY. I'M FOR, I'M FOR IT. SO THEY'VE GOT FOUR. SO WE HAVE FOUR. FOUR, FOUR AND THEN FOUR NEIGHBOR AND TWO AGAINST. YEP. YEP. WHO'S THE SECOND ONE? I SAID THAT BEFORE. OH, I FORGOT. BRING IT DOWN TO 10 FEET. I'D BE OKAY. BUT I THINK THIS IS JUST UNNECESSARY. YEAH. SO WE'LL, WE'LL JUST BE CLEAR. WE'LL GO AROUND. UM, JUST FOR, UM, HELPFUL PURPOSES AND LEARNING PURPOSES, UM, KATHY, IF YOU COULD JUST DO A STRAW POLL. OH, YOU DON'T HAVE A FIRST NAME THERE. OKAY. SO, UH, CHAIRPERSON BUNTING SMITH? NO. OKAY. HOWARD? YES. LEWIS? YES. CHRISTIE? YES. SHAWNA? NO. PETER? YES. OR TO IT IS AS FAR AS THE WRITING. SO IF ANY BOARD MEMBER WANT TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THAT, WILL THERE BE FINDINGS TONIGHT OR NOT TONIGHT? OKAY. SO WE HAVE THE SHEET HERE AND WE PUT THE DRAWING IF YOU, ALRIGHT, NEXT WE HAVE WHO'S GONNA WRITE IT UP? I DUNNO. WHOEVER, WHOEVER GETS IT. AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO WRITE UP BECAUSE IT'S AN APPROVAL. YEAH, THAT TRUE. WE DON'T HAVE TO WRITE UP, UP APPROVALS, RIGHT? I THOUGHT WE DO. YES. YES, OF COURSE. . MAYBE BECAUSE WE APPROVE. I HAVE, I TRY ONE A NIGHT. I TRY FOR ONE, ONE A NIGHT APPROVAL. I WANNA APPROVE A DIFFERENT ONE, BUT I'LL TAKE, OKAY. WE CAN NEGOTIATE. OKAY. WELL IT'S NOT GONNA BE E FOR SHAUNA BECAUSE THEY'RE VOTING KIDS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS WHAT THEY CAN WRITE INTO DISSENT. I APPROVED QUITE A FEW, BUT I MEAN, I MEAN, I READ IN THE ARTICLE THAT EVEN IF YOU APPROVE, YOU HAVE TO WRITE SOMETHING. BUT WHO WOULD CHALLENGE IT ON AN ARTICLE? 78? NOBODY. 'CAUSE NOBODY. YEAH. I MEAN, ALL RIGHT. NUMBER TWO, THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND THE, AND THAT'S ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. , YOU SPOKE SO ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THIS LAST TIME AT THE LAST MEETING. IT'D PROBABLY BE GOOD IF YOU STARTED. WHAT DID I SAY? UH, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, I, THEY HAVE BIG EQUIPMENT COMING. YEAH. I MEAN, I HAVE [02:05:01] TO SAY I'M OF REALLY TWO MINDS HERE. UM, WHEN DIANE WAS HERE AT THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE DISCUSSING IT, IT, IT SEEMED LIKE MOVING THE STRUCTURE WOULDN'T BE THE HARDEST THING TO DO, CONSIDERING WHAT THEY'RE DOING ALREADY. UM, I, IT'S INTERESTING THAT I LEARNED TODAY THAT BY IT GOING FROM A SHED TO AN AUXILIARY STRUCTURE, IT, IT ACTUALLY BECAME A BIGGER PROBLEM THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN FORESEEN BY THE PERSON DOING IT. 'CAUSE I, SO, AND WE HAVE THE FACT, YOU KNOW, THE VERY CONVINCING PICTURES THAT WHETHER IT'S A FEW FEET ONE WAY OR THE OTHER DOESN'T SEEM TO LIKE IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE NEIGHBOR. SO THEN WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T LIKE TO GRANT VARIANCES. THAT CAN'T BE, UH, EXPLAINED THROUGH THE SPECIFICS. SO IS THERE SOMEBODY WHO, WHO'S FOR THIS, WHO CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THE SPECIFICS ARE HERE THAT WOULD SAY WE SHOULD GRANT THIS? YEAH. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE ATTORNEY REPRESENTATIVE ADDRESSED ONE FACTOR, NOT ALL RIGHT. NOT ALL FIVE CHARACTER. BUT THERE ARE FOUR OTHER FACTORS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO, UH, AT LEAST ADDRESS IN YOUR DECISION, IN YOUR FINDINGS. I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING, I MEAN, I COULD DO A NUMBER OF TIMES ABOUT FIVE. UM, BUT HE DIDN'T DISCUSS THEM IN DETAIL. HE ONLY DISCUSSED ONE. NO, BUT COULD YOU GIVE US A FEW OF YOUR IDEAS AS TO WHY YOU COULD APPROVE THIS EASILY? FIVE. WELL, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THIS 0.9 AND THE LABORING HOUSE OR WHATEVER IS PROBABLY FAR, I DUNNO OFF. YEAH, IT'S HEAD. I'D HAVE TO LOOK. UM, THE NEIGHBOR DOESN'T OBJECT. YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS . NOT EVERY NEIGHBOR, BUT IT'S A LARGE LOT. IS THIS THE ONE THAT'S AT 30,000 SQUARE? NO, NO, THIS IS 10,000. UM, WHAT ELSE? I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, KIND OF MORE IMPACTFUL TO THE ENVIRONMENT TO DIG UP THIS HOUSE OR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OR MOVE IT SOMEWHERE THAN TO LEAVE IT WHERE NOBODY CAN SEE IT FROM THE ROAD. AND IT'S NOT REALLY BOTHERING ANYONE. YOU WHAT YOU MISSED LAST TIME. THERE'S NOTHING TO DIG UP. OH YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CEMENT FOOTPRINT. WAIT, THIS, WHAT WE WERE TOLD LAST TIME IS THAT THE OWNER MOVED THE SHED MOVED FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, TO THE SHED, THEN HE PUT DOWN THIS CONCRETE FLOOR AND THEN HE MOVED IT BACK ONTO IT. AND MAYBE THAT'S WHEN IT WAS EXPANDED. I, I DON'T KNOW THIS. SO THIS IS, WELL ALL IT IS IS JUST LIKE, I UNDERSTAND SOME CONCRETE PORT ON TOP OF THE GRASS UNDERSTAND THAT FOR MAYBE THESE PEOPLE THEY WANNA PUT THE POOL NEXT TO, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ALL OF THAT. AND IT SORT OF SEEMS ONEROUS. NOT EVEN FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, BUT JUST OVERALL IT'S A HUGE, IT'S A PRETTY BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY. YES. COULD THEY MOVE THE THING OVER, BUT WHY THEY CAN MOVE THAT ONE SHED. THEY CAN MOVE THE SHED. I DON'T SEE A NEED AGAIN. NO. AS I KEEP, AS I KEEP SAYING WHAT IS IF IN ORDER TO, THE NEED IS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO MOVE THE SHED. NO, NO. I'M, BUT I'M SAYING WHEN YOU'RE ASKING, AS WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING ZONING LAWS, NOW GETTING LOW ZONING LAWS DEVELOPED IS HARD. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF COMPROMISES THAT ARE MADE JUST TO GET THERE. SO IN ORDER TO ASK US TO OVERRIDE THE ZONING LAWS THERE, THERE HAS TO BE A DEMONSTRATED ACTUAL NEED. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A NEED HERE. THERE'S A WANT. YEAH. BUT CAN THIS BE MOVED A LITTLE BIT? COULD HAVE MADE SMALLER, CAN WE, ALL KINDS OF THINGS. ALL THAT CAN BE DONE TO STAY WITHIN. AND THEY'RE ONLY, THEY'RE NOT EVEN A FOOT AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. IT, IT, IT'S VERY CLOSE. AND I DON'T, THERE, IT'S A HUGE PROPERTY. I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO GET THAT CLOSE. AND TO NOT RESPECT A 10 FOOT BUFFER. WHAT WOULD THAT, THE THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY IS IF THIS SHED WASN'T THERE AND IT WAS OUR DECISION TO, IT'S NOT A SHED THOUGH. IT'S AN ACCESSORY. ACCESSORY. BUT ANYWAY, WHATEVER. ACCESSORY BUILDING. YEAH. OKAY. AN ACCESSORY. WOULD WE APPROVE IT NEW? WHICH IS I GUESS THE, NO, I WOULD NOT APPROVE. RIGHT. WELL THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED, HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THIS. RIGHT. BUT HE DID THIS WANTING TO HAVE THE POOL. WE DON'T KNOW THAT. NO, THAT'S THE WAY IT SEEMED. WELL HE'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. [02:10:01] I THINK THEY WANT PUT THE POOL NEAR THE SHED BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT. CONVENIENT. SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO MOVE THE ENTIRE WELL THEY ALSO SAID THAT THAT'S THE HIGH POINT OF THE BACKYARD. 'CAUSE IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, ON THAT PICTURE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN PUT IT ANYWHERE IN THE BACKYARD YOU WANT. THERE'S YEAH, WE NEED, IT'S, THIS IS, THESE ARE TWO INCH INCREMENTS OKAY. OF ELEVATION. SO THERE, IT'S NOT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY THAT'S THE STEEPEST PART OF THE YARD. LIKE THIS STARTS LESS PARTS, LESS STEEP. SO IT IS PRETTY FLAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. YEAH. I THINK CONTOUR IS TWO FEET DOWN, TWO FEET DOWN TWO EVERY LINE. IT'S TWO THAT YOU SEE. AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE THE LINE BEING TWO FEET. OKAY. CLOSER AND CLOSER. SO IT'S MEANS REALLY. SO THERE'S LIKE A 10, THERE'S A 10 FOOT DROP IN THE BACKYARD. YEAH. MM-HMM . JUST FOR FRAME REFERENCE, THIS IS THREE 90 RIGHT HERE. AND THIS IS THREE EIGHT. TWO EIGHT FOOT DIFFERENCE FOR HERE. WHAT ABOUT GOING TO THE MIDDLE? THE NEXT TWO ONES? THAT WOULD BE A FOUR FOOT DIFFERENCE HERE? YES. THAT'D BE, EACH ONE OF THOSE LINES IS TWO FEET, NOT TWO INCHES. I'M SORRY. SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING TO, THE POOL DOESN'T EXIST. POOL'S NOT THERE DO A LOT OF NO, IT'S THE SAME WORK. NOT IN THE, THE THING, THE THING THAT BOTHERED ME IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURVEY SURVEY, IT'S RIGHT ON THE LINE. THEY COULD NOT POSSIBLY EVEN PUT IN ANY, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE A BARRIER TO THE OTHER SIDE. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE UNITS, THESE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE RUNNING THE POLE AND THEY MAKE NOISE. I THINK ARE THEY POSITIONED ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE SHED? I THINK IN THE DRAWING, THEY'RE DOING IT CLOSER TO WHERE THE SEVEN FOOT FOUR, WHICH IS STILL TOO CLOSE. RIGHT? NINE. YEP. BUT IT IS CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE. BUT WHAT CHRISTIE IS SAYING IS THAT FROM THERE TO WHERE THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE, UM, HAVING AN ISSUE WITH THE NOISE IS PRETTY GOOD. YEAH. THE EVERY, EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE THAT GROWS THERE OTHER THAN THE GRA GRASS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE DID REVIEW THIS AND SEND IT BACK TO THEM AND I DON'T SEE WHAT HAS CHANGED. I DON'T EITHER. WHEN LAST, LAST MONTH WE WERE PRETTY OPPOSED TO THIS. I DIDN'T MOVE THE FIELD PERMIT. RIGHT. BUT THEY DIDN'T MOVE THE AUXILIARY BUILDING, WHICH WAS THE THING WE DISCUSSED MOST THAT WE WERE OBJECTING TO. THEY REMOVED THE PATIO FROM, FROM THE APPLICATION. SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING, I'M FOR LEAVING IT THERE. MM-HMM . I AM FOR LEAVING IT THERE. OKAY, SO YOU'RE FOR THE GRANTING OF THE VARIANCE. THAT IS CORRECT. TO LEAVE IT THERE. OKAY. TWO, TWO. THE OTHER POOL LOOKED LIKE IT HAD THE BUFFER. THEY THEY SHOWED IT THE AERIAL VIEW HAD HAD A, HAD ANOTHER POOL THAT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD, UH, THE BUFFER. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS APPLICATION OR THE OTHER? YEP. IF YOU LOOK UP APPLICATION, LOOK, IF YOU SCROLL UP A BIT, THERE'S A HOUSE TOWARDS NO THE OTHER WAY. SEE THAT POOL, THAT POOL HAS A BUFFER. MEANING THE NEIGHBOR, THE NEIGHBOR'S POOL. YEAH. ACTUALLY, YEAH, THEY'RE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS ON THE OTHER SIDE HAS, HAS THE APPROPRIATE BUFFER. SO THEY DON'T NEED A VARIANCE CONSTRUCTION. THAT LOOKS LIKE CONSTRUCTION STUFF. LOOK AT HOW CLOSE THE HOUSE IS TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON THAT SAME SIDE. MM-HMM . I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, HOW FAR DOES THE HOUSE HAVE TO BE AWAY? FOUR FEET OR SOMETHING? IT COULD BE THE, NO, IT SAYS HERE 12 FEET. IT'S ACTUALLY [02:15:01] RIGHT TO THE EDGE, I THINK. NO, I KNOW THE PROPOSED AUXILIARY. I'M LOOKING AT THE HOUSE. NO, I'M SAYING NO. I'M SAYING THAT THE HOUSE IS, IS, IS WITHIN THE BUFFER. COULD BE THE ROOF. HERE'S THE HOUSE. HERE'S THE BUFFER LINE. UHHUH. THE HOUSE IS, THE HOUSE IS WITHIN THE BUFFER. IT, IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE, IT'S WITH, IT'S WITHIN THE LIMITS OF WHERE IT CAN BE. IT DOESN'T POP THROUGH. SEE THIS, THIS COMES DOWN HERE. THIS IS, THIS IS THE BUFFER LINE. OKAY. OKAY. AND THIS JUST, YOU KNOW, IGNORES IT. IS THAT TRUE? THE, UM, REQUIREMENT IS 12, THE HOUSE IS AT 11.4. YEAH. ON HERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 12.4 ON THE DRAWING. SLIGHTLY, SLIGHTLY NONCONFORMING . I'M SURE THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE HOUSE, BUT WHEN YOU BUY IT, WHY ISN'T SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THE SURVEY? BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT. OKAY. EVEN IF THEY DO, NO ONE'S GONNA POINT OUT TO THEM THAT YOU'RE LIKE SIX INCHES OVER. WELL, I DUNNO. SIX INCHES OR NINE INCHES. WE'VE ONLY SEEN . A YES AND A YES. YEAH. NO OTHER, NO. COME ON, LET'S HEAR IT. COMMON. NO. AND I AM A NO. YOU'RE ALWAYS A NO. I AM NOT ALWAYS A NO. SEE, THEY'D SAY THAT ABOUT US. I AM NOT ALWAYS A NO. . YOU'RE NOT. WELL, I, I, FOR YESES, , WE HAD THE WRAP TO BUILD SOMETHING ON. I ACTUALLY, SOME YESES ON, ON THE LINE TO ME IS THAT MAKES NO SENSE. AND YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS SPACE BEFORE, AND THEN YOU SAY YOU WANNA PUT A POOL IN. IF IT WAS JUST SITTING THERE AND NOT MAKING ANY NOISE, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING. IT'S LIKE, YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS LAND, WHY ARE YOU SQUISHING IT IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FACE? OKAY, I'LL GO WITH THE CHAIRPERSON. YEAH. I SAY NO. OKAY. DID YOU HEAR? UH, YES. UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DROP BALL. DIANE. OH, I HEAR CHRISTIE. CHRISTIE. CHRISTIE. I WAS A YES. OKAY. YOU ARE ALWAYS A YES. YES, SHE IS. WHO HE WAS. A NO. WELL, OKAY. E THE THREE OF US, THEY'RE CALLING. THEY'RE CALLING BY NAME. YES. YOU'RE A NO, YOU'RE A NO. I'M A NO. YES, YOU'RE A NO. YES. YES. YOU'RE A NO. I'M A NO. LOUIS, I'M A NO. NO WAY. I'M SORRY. I'M A YES. I'M LIKE, WAIT, YOU CHANGED. I AM A YES FOR GRANTING. OKAY. SHAUNA? NO. PETER, NO. HOWARD? NO. YOU HAVE TO WRITE UP THIS ONE. NO, I A NO, OF COURSE. YOU WANT ME TO WRITE IT AS A NO. OKAY. ANY DECISION? I'LL, I'LL WRITE THIS ONE UP. YEAH. . OKAY. OKAY. TWO, TWO. I WAS GONNA SAY OVER, UH, WE NEED AN EASIER ONE. OH, THIS ONE. WHERE ARE WE? THE NEXT TWO, I USUALLY GET ASSIGNED TO THE NOSE THAT I, THE NEXT TWO IS YOUR ONES. UH, SO COOK, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT COOK OR TAKING FIVE BEFORE FOUR? YEAH. WELL, THAT'S HOW THEY WERE PRESENTED. YEAH, THAT'S TRUE. OKAY. UH, LET'S SEE. ON COOK. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW. EVERY TIME I BACK OUTTA MY DRIVEWAY, I MEAN, I, AND I DO HAVE ONE OF THOSE STUPID, UH, WARNING THINGS. I DON'T REALLY TRUST IT, SO I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AND THE CARS ARE GOING TOO FAST. SO I THINK CREATING A LITTLE OFFSHOOT, OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, IS A SAFETY MATTER. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF HE, YOU KNOW, IF HE WANTS TO USE IT TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, UH, A RELATIVE PARK THERE FOR DINNER OR SOMETHING, I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS. ME EITHER. YEAH. SO, I, I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT A CAR PARKED ON THAT STREET. IT'S A DOUBLE [02:20:01] YELLOW LINE. IT'S NARROW, IT'S CURVY, IT'S HILLY. KEEP THE CAR OFF THE STREET. SO I'M, I'M VERY ENTHUSIASTICALLY FOR THIS. IT'S ALSO A VERY MINOR, UM, CHANGE TO THE PERCENTAGES. YEAH. IT'S ALSO BEING SHOWN IN A VERY PRETTY WAY. AND I, I THINK IT'S A BETTER SOLUTION FOR PEOPLE. MM-HMM . I THINK THAT, UM, IT'S WIDE ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY PI THE DRIVEWAY'S WIDE ENOUGH. YOU COULD PARK A CAR, CARS ON THE DRIVEWAY, BUT DESPITE THAT, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME YOUNG DRIVERS, IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THEM BACKING UP. IT IS AWFULLY BIG, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE A THREE POINT TURN, YOU DON'T NEED TO BACK THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE CAR, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A 17 FOOT WIDE DRIVEWAY. MM-HMM . YOU COULD, YOU DON'T NEED AS MUCH AS THEY'RE BUILDING. AND I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T WANT CARS PARKED ON THE FRONT LAWN OF MY NEIGHBOR. HOWEVER, WITH THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, AND, UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT ASPHALT, THAT IT IS THE PAVERS THAT EXPOSE SOME GRASS. SO IT'S SAT CAMOUFLAGED. IF YOU WERE, I'M WILLING TO APPROVE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE APPROVAL THAT PERVIOUS PAVER THE MATERIALS OR MATERIALS OF THAT LIKE KIND MUST BE USED IN, I WOULD SAY I WOULD PUT THE CONDITION OF THAT CONDITION ON IT. THE CONDITION OF THE LANDSCAPING AND SIMILAR PAVERS. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE FEELS THAT WAY. YES, I DO. WELL, THAT'S WHAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO US. SO PUTTING IT IN THE AGREEMENT, SAYING THAT THAT WILL BE PART OF THE AGREEMENT IS NOT OUT OF LINE. IT'S JUST WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GONNA DO. RIGHT. IT PREVENTS SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE FROM CHANGING IT TO PAVING, WHICH IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID, TO IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS, CAMOUFLAGE GRAS, KIND OF WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY. MM-HMM . WELL, YOU'RE NOT AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD OR DESIGN BOARD TO VARIANCE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD NECESSARILY BE STAND UP IF SOMEONE WERE TO CHALLENGE THE CONDITION THAT IT'D BE A PARTICULAR STYLE OR LOOK OR MATERIAL. I THINK IT'D BE WHAT IF YOU JUST SAID A CATEGORY THAT IT'S GOTTA BE PERVIOUS, WHICH GIVES YOU MANY, MANY, MANY OPTIONS. THEY DON'T NEED A VARIANCE FOR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. RIGHT. THAT'S NOT THE APPLICATION. SORRY. NO, THEY DO, BECAUSE ACTUALLY IMPERVIOUS PAVERS DO NOT, ARE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS. THEY DON'T NEED A, THEY DON'T NEED, THAT'S NOT, THEY JUST NEED FOR THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVE. IF IN THE FUTURE, OR EVEN NOW THEY DECIDE TO PAVE IT, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR A CALCULATION. OR THEY WOULD'VE TO SUBMIT A CALCULATION TO SHOW THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING EITHER CONFORMS WITH PER, UH, PERVIOUS SURFACE OR DOES NOT. AND THEN THEY NEED TO GO FOR VARIANCE. CORRECT. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE ENDING UP HERE. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION. THAT'S NOT THE APPLICATION THAT'S THE PROBLEM. PAPERS ARE CONSIDERED IMP IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY CALCULATED. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID . SO COULD YOU EXPLAIN THAT THOUGH? SO RE REGARDLESS THE WAY THE ZONING CODE IS WRITTEN, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE APPLICANT USES PERVIOUS PAVERS OR IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LIKE A, UM MM-HMM . CONCRETE ASPHALT, IT'S CALCULATED THE SAME. SO IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE, UM, FOR PERVIOUS. SO THIS WOULD BE LEGAL EITHER WAY. YES. IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO PROPOSE PAVERS, UM, IMPERVIOUS PAVERS, AND THEN COME BACK AND WANT TO PAVE IT, THEY WOULD NOT NEED ANYTHING FURTHER. OKAY. I THOUGHT JUST FOR THE BOARD, JUST THAT IF I COULD JUST WITH THE QUESTION. SO THE APPLICANT REPRESENTED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO, UM, DO THE PERVIOUS PAVERS AND THEY SHOWED THE AESTHETIC BENEFITS, PERVIOUS THE AESTHETIC BENEFITS AND, UM, THE ECOLOGICAL BENEFITS OF THAT. I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK THE BOARD'S LOOKING TO CONDITION THAT IN PERPETUITY. THIS HAS TO BE THAT. BUT I THINK FOR AT LEAST THE INITIAL INSTALLATION, THEY RECEIVED A REPRESENTATION. IT'S ON PLANS. I THINK THE BOARD JUST WANTS TO CONDITION THAT THIS INITIAL INSTALLATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT. AND I, I, I GET THE SENSE THAT'S ALL THE BOARD'S LOOKING FOR. IF 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD THE APPLICANT DETERMINES THAT IT JUST DIDN'T HOLD UP AND THEY NEED [02:25:01] TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, UH, THAT WOULD BE THEIR OWN PURVIEW. BUT I THINK IT'S THE BOARD'S JUST LOOKING TO HAVE SOMETHING APPROVED CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THEM. OKAY. I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING PERMANENT, BUT IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE , AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, ED, I THINK ED IS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH A PERMANENT, I'M SORRY, WHAT SHAUNA WAS PROPOSING WAS PERMANENT. RIGHT. AND I THINK YOU'RE CAUTIONING AGAINST THAT AND NOT LIKE DOING A DEED RESTRICTION OR SOMETHING ONEROUS LIKE THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO PICK UP. I THINK I'M PICKING UP. SO THE OWNER COULD DO IT WITH A DEED RESTRICTION, BUT WE CANNOT DO IT WITH A VARIANCE. UM, NO, I THINK, WELL, YOU, YOU, YOU STARTED SAYING D LIKE APPLES. SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT GOT ME CURIOUS. I'M TRYING TO PICK UP FROM ED THAT I THINK SAYING HE'S QUESTIONING AGAINST TRYING. YEAH. UNDERSTAND. THERE'S NO NEED TO DO THAT. UNDERSTAND THAT I UNDERSTOOD. COULD NOT, WE HAVE REQUIRED, THERE ARE SITUATIONS AND TYPES OF APPLICATIONS WHERE THE BOARD COULD AND HAS REQUIRED A DEED RESTRICTION FOR THIS, THAT, OR THE OTHER THING. BUT NOT FOR THIS. I'M TRYING TO MEET YOU IN THE MIDDLE, MEET YOUR CONCERNS, MEET ED'S CONCERN, AND BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT. OKAY. SO WE READY TO, UH, OH, JUST ONE OTHER POINT. UH, I DON'T SEE LANDSCAPING ON THE PLAN PER SE. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD OBJECT TO THAT IF THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT THEY WOULD JUST WORK WITH OUR OFFICE ON SMALL SHRUBS. IT WASN'T PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SUBMISSION IN THE RENDERING. AND HE DID MENTION IT IN HIS TESTIMONY. OKAY. SO I WOULD ADD THAT AS A CONDITION THEN. OKAY. VERY GOOD. I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR A STRAW POLL. IS THERE ANY, UM, ANYONE THAT IS AGAINST THE APPLICATION? LET ME JUST FINISH. YES. WHAT I WAS SAYING, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THESE PAVER, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS APPROVING BASED ON THAT IN CONFORM. IT MUST BE BUILT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED. RIGHT. WHICH DOES INCLUDE THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. SO LEAVE IT AT THAT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA SAY. . ALRIGHT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. YEAH. WELL, I HAVE THE DRAFT SHEET HERE AND I THINK IT'S JUST ADDING, UH, THE NOTE ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING. WE'LL PICK THAT UP IN THE DECISION. SO IT SAYS 26. WHO'S WRITING THIS ONE UP? 14. YOU ARE? YES. NO, I, I WROTE, I WROTE UP THE WRITING. YOU DOING THEM ALL? I DUNNO. YOU WANT ME TO WRITE THIS ONE UP? WHEN DO WE HAVE TO WRITE IT UP BY MANY PEOPLE? NO, YOU TAKE IT HOME. OH, OKAY. I'M LEAVING IN 10 DAYS. YOU DO TAKE IT HOME. YOU DO TAKE IT. I'VE ALWAYS TAKEN IT HOME. I JUST CAME BACK FROM ANOTHER 10. I, I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET, THEN I CAN OKAY. GOT I GO ITALIAN. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. LET'S, LET'S GO BACK TO, OH, YOU WANT THE GUESS? DID WE VOTE ON THIS? OH, WE DID. WROTE HER ON IT. IT'S, MAYBE WE TOOK THIS. IT'S UNANIMOUS, OR AS MY KIDS USED TO SAY. IT'S ANONYMOUS. YES. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO BACK TO 14. HEART STONE CIRCLE. UH, THAT'S THE ONE THERE, THE COVERAGE WHERE SHE'S PUTTING IN GOODNIGHT. GOODNIGHT. GOODNIGHT. UH, SO, AND GROUND, I WILL SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THEIR REQUEST. MM-HMM . UM, THEY'RE ASKING FOR ONLY A, IT LOOKS TO BE A 3.6% DIFFERENCE. IN WHAT? FROM WHAT'S PER PERMITTED. THEY'RE TAKING, UH, ADDITIONAL STEPS, UM, BY BAKING THE, UM, THE, UH, DRAIN DRAIN INTO THE DRY WELL TO TAKE CARE OF, OF ANY, UH, RUNOFF. NOT TO MENTION THAT I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE AND I KNOW THAT IT IS ABOVE, UM, NOT A HOUSE, BUT IT'S ABOVE THE AQUEDUCT, WHICH HAS POWER LINES AND HAS THE, UH, THE CATSKILL, UH, WATER THING THERE. SO THE WATER RUNNING OFF THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE BOTHERING ANYONE, NOR DO I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO, IT'S A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY. THERE'S NOT A NEIGHBOR WHO CAN SEE THIS, THAT I CAN TELL. UM, SO, UM, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. ONE WITH THE PERGO. RIGHT. AND SHE SAID THE PERGOLA DOESN'T HAVE A FLOOR OR A ROOF AS FAR AS SHE'S CONCERNED. NO, SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T ASK FOR IT. SHE, SHE DOESN'T WANT IT. SHE SAID SHE DOESN'T WANT IT. BUT, AND, AND THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE, UH, THE INCREASE IN THE PATIO SIZE IS THE PER SAID. SHE DIDN'T ASK, SHE DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT. THE, THE ARCHITECT PUT [02:30:01] IT IN. YEAH. WHICH IS WHY I KEPT TRYING TO SAY, IF YOU DO ALL THAT STUFF, THEN YOU DON'T EVEN NEED A VARIANCE THAT I COULDN'T USE THOSE WORDS, BUT THAT'S WHERE I WAS TRYING TO LEAD HER TO DO WE KNOW THAT NOT THAT IT MATTERS BECAUSE YOU COULD ALSO REDUCE YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ELIMINATE IT ALTOGETHER. BUT YOU COULD REDUCE THE MAGNITUDE OF THE VARIANCE BY REMOVING PART OF THE PATIO, WHICH I THINK THEY WERE WILLING TO DO, AND OR THE PERGO. BUT IF THEY WERE TO DO THAT, EITHER MAY NOT NEED ANYTHING. RIGHT. THE YELLOW IS THAT EXISTS. YELLOW IS THE BARE AND THE, THIS IS WHAT IS PROPOSED. BUT PART OF WHAT IS PROPOSED IS PROBABLY, SO IT'S THE CHANGES HERE AND HERE A LITTLE BIT RIGHT HERE. I'M JUST SAYING THEY MAY BE BELOW THE MAXIMUM NOW, IN OTHER WORDS, EVEN THOUGH YOU, YOU DEMONSTRATED THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING THE, UH, THE DECK BIGGER. RIGHT. BUT THEY MAY BE ALLOWED AS OF RIGHT TO MAKE THE DECK SOMEWHAT BIGGER. JUST NOT QUITE THAT. DIDN'T THEY SAY THEY WERE ALREADY 300 FEET OVER AND THIS WOULD TAKE THEM TO 900? I DUNNO, THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I HEARD. THOSE WERE THE NUMBERS THAT I HEARD THEM SAY THAT THIS WAS AN ADDITION OF LIKE 600 SQUARE FEET OF, SO THE, I MEAN THE APPLICATION IS, OH, THERE IT IS. THERE'S THE 25% TO 28.36 PERMITTED. YEAH. YOU SEE THE, THE, THE CIRCLE GOES OVER TO THE RIGHT. THEY'RE JUST TAKING IT TOWARDS THE TOP, ABOUT 10 FEET IN THAT DIRECTION AND ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO WHERE THE CIRCLE ENDS PRETTY MUCH. AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE POOL. FOR SOME REASON, THEY'RE DIVIDING THAT IN ABOUT HALF AND PAVING HALF OF THAT AND LEAVING HALF OF HALF OF IT IS, UH, THE WOMAN SAID IS GREAT. RIGHT NOW. I FOLDED IT A DIFFERENT WAY THAN I CAN, JUST SO I COULD SEE WHAT ALL THE LINES ARE. IS THAT THE ONE THAT MARKS IT TO THE EXISTING VERSUS YEAH, THE YELLOW IS INTO COLORS. TAKE UP MY MARKERS AND I PLAY, I DIDN'T MAKE A KEY. I KNOW I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS LOOKING AT A LEGEND. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HALF THE NUMBERS WERE. I WAS LOOKING FOR MY, I WAS A DRAFTS PERSON FOR YEARS. AND THEY, SO THE LEGEND WAS EVERYTHING. YOU HAVE TO TAKE OFF A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET BECAUSE THEY'RE 3,300 OVER. SO THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN ENTIRELY. THEY'D HAVE TO TAKE AWAY THAT 300 AS WELL. THEY'D HAVE TO TAKE A THOUSAND. THEY'D TAKE A THOUSAND OFF. THEY'D TO TAKE A THOUSAND OFF. OKAY. THEN THAT, I DON'T THINK, 'CAUSE THIS IS, SO THE TOTAL PATIO, THE, UH, THE PROPOSED PATIO AND PROPANE IS 1008 45. THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL, THAT'S THE TOTAL PATIO? YES. OH, BUT THAT'S ALL AROUND THE POOL? YES. OH, SO THAT'S, MOST OF IT IS THERE. THAT'S NOT A THOUSAND. THE THE ONLY PATIO THAT THEY HAVE TO, THAT THEY ADDED IS TO THE TOP I'M SAYING IS THE TOTAL RIGHT NOW PROPOSED IS 1008 45. FOR THEM TO BE COMPLIANT, THEY GO ONLY HAVE 855 SQUARE FOOT OF PATIO. OKAY. AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A THOUSAND WHAT? 1,800. AND, OKAY, SO THEY'RE ADDING A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY OFFERED TO REMOVE, WHAT WOULD THEY WIND UP WITH? WE'RE GONNA GET REMOVE. WE DON'T HAVE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PATIO. ALRIGHT. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO DECIDE IT TONIGHT OR DO YOU WANT TO SEND IT BACK, SEND THEM BACK TO REVIEW THE PLAN AND SEE [02:35:01] WHAT DID THEY COME UP WITH? REMOVING WHAT THEY'VE OFFERED TO REMOVE AND THE PERGO, DIDN'T SOMEBODY SAY THAT SHE WAS WILLING TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT THAT SHE WASN'T? YES. SHE, YES. THAT'S TO MY POINT. SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T ASK FOR IT. SHE LIKES IT STANDING ON THE GRASS. THAT'S THE POINT. SO LET THEM COME BACK AND THERE WOULD BE A SMALLER VARI OR NO VARIANCE OR NO. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY'LL STILL NEED SOMETHING, BUT THE, SORRY. UNLESS THEY REDUCE IT TO 800. RIGHT. AND I WON'T BE HERE NEXT TIME. SO YOU CAN PASS EVERYTHING. BUT THE, THE, THE VARIANCE ALREADY IS ONLY A 3% VARIANCE. AM I, AM I MISSING SOMETHING'S A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET? IT'S A GREATER PERCENTAGE. IT'S A BIGGER LOT. IT'S A SMALL PERCENT. 'CAUSE IT'S A BIGGER LOT. I KNOW. BUT IF WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND WE'RE SHOWING THAT WE'RE GRANTING A 3% VARIANCE, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BIG GRANT. IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU, YOU, THE PROPERTY, YOU COULD SAY 3% OR YOU COULD SAY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. THOUSAND SQUARE FEET SOUNDS LIKE A WHOLE LOT MORE. THAT'S THE POINT. THAT'S THE POINT. IF I WROTE THIS UP, I'D SAY 3% GET 13% INCREASE OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE FROM THE EXISTING TO THE, IF YOU DO THE MATH WITH THE THIS SQUARE FOOTAGES THEY PROVIDED. OKAY. THAT'S, YOU DON'T DO IT BY, SO IT'S WHY DON'T WE NOT 15%? IT'S TAKE UP ED'S SUGGESTION AND REVISE AND RESUBMIT. I AGREE. THIS IS, UH, 26 13. YEAH. MM-HMM . YES. OKAY. SO WE'LL PREPARE THAT LETTER FOR YOU AND SEND THAT OFF TO THE APPLICANT AND SEE THEY POST SOMETHING THAT'S SOMEWHAT SMALL. THE STATISTICS ON THAT DID, WHAT NUMBER IS THIS? 14. WE DID COOK. WE DID, WE'RE AT SIX OR SEVEN. WHERE ARE WE? WE'RE AT 15 OR 16? 15. 15. THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE, THIS IS THE SETBACK. THE SETBACK, YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT. YEAH, I, I AGREE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT LIKES IT. SO IF A TEST. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE UNANIMOUS ON WORK QUICKLY BEFORE IT CHANGES. 20. YEAH. ON 26 15. SO WHAT'S THE THEORY ON A SETBACK? IT IT ENCROACHES, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T ENCROACH, IT SOMEHOW IMPEDES A NEIGHBOR'S VIEW OR PROPERTY OR SOMETHING. WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE THEM? THE PROPERTY WITHOUT HAVING THE NEIGHBORS ON TOP OF YOU? YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S ALL IN WHAT YOU LIKE. I MEAN, PLENTY OF AREAS HAPPEN. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE LIVE IN BROOKLYN. OH, SO MANY. SOME PLENTY OF AREAS HAVE ZERO LOT. I ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY HAD A LITIGATION IN RIDGEWOOD RIVER SETBACK, BUT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS LEGAL. RIGHT. WHICH IS SOME OF, SOME OF THESE, THIS HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THE SIXTIES WHEN IT WAS BUILT. THIS WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN YEAH. IN THE SIXTIES. AND IT, IT HASN'T BEEN CHANGED. SO AT LEAST IN PART OF IT, WHERE THE DECK IS NOW, WHERE THE KITCHEN AND GREAT ROOM ARE GOING. MM-HMM . IT'S THE NEW DECK. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT I REPRESENTED THE SELLER. SO THE ISSUE WAS WE WERE DEALING, WE WEREN'T, BUT THE PEOPLE WE SOLD TO WERE DEALING WITH THE CITY. ALRIGHT. BUT WHAT THERE, I THINK THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT LANDSCAPING AS A CONDITION. YEAH. YOU SAID THAT. ALRIGHT, SO REMEMBER YOU COULD JUST SEE THE OTHER HOUSE, WHOEVER IS READING IT SHOULD ADD THAT AS A CONDITION TO DISSATISFACTION OF THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER. SO WHO'S WRITING THAT ONE UP? WHO'S READING IT? RIGHT? RIGHT. HE MEANT WRITING IT. HUH? HE MEANT WRITING. NO, WHEN YOU READ THE MOTION, YOU SAY YOU READ THE MOTION CONDITION. OH, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU ADD THE CONDITION. YEAH. YEAH. SO THERE ARE TWO, TWO PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A SIGN THERE. I HAD AN ASSIGNMENT THAT WAS TAKEN AWAY. . RIGHT. SO DO YOU WANT THIS ONE? IT WAS REVO THAT LEWIS, DO YOU WANT THIS ONE? IT'S BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU. NOT REALLY, BUT I'LL TAKE IT. [02:40:01] THAT'S AGREE. OKAY, I'LL, I'LL I'LL TAKE THE LAST ONE. IF WE GO MY WAY, , LOOK WHO YOU'RE SITTING IN BETWEEN. I'M GIVING THEM BACK TO YOU. . WE WANNA GET TO, WE WANT GET TO THE BOWLING ALLEY. YEAH. ARE WE AT THE BOWLING ALLEY YET? YEAH. UH, YEAH. OKAY. I I'M INCLINED TO SAY NO TO THE BOWLING ALLEY. YEAH. OOH, YES. OOH. UH, THE REASON I SAY NO TO THE BOWLING ALLEY, FIRST OF ALL, I, I LOOKED ON GOOGLE MAPS AT WHAT THE CURRENT SIGN THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE LOOKS LIKE. AND IT LOOKS TO BE MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO ME. IT LOOKS EASIER TO READ IN THERE. IT LOOKS FINE. I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A NEED. NOBODY READS IT . NOBODY READS IT'S RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S A BOWLING ALLEY. BOWLING ALLEY. THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE OF THIS SAYS I'M A BOWLING ALLEY. MEAN, BUT ACTUALLY THE EXISTING ONE IS EASIER TO READ. NO. SO I DON'T FIND, AND ALSO YOU CAN SEE THE, WHEN YOU TURN INTO THE BOWLING ALLEY, YOU WILL IMMEDIATELY SEE THAT SIGN. LOOK WHO YOU'RE SITTING NEXT TO. BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN. IF YOU'RE GOING FROM, IT'S A RIGHT TURN IF YOU'RE GOING FROM WHITE PLAINS ON ONE 19, BUT YOU SEE IT WHEN, WHEN DO YOU FIRST SEE YOU? YOU CAN'T TURN FROM, IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE ROAD TIME ROAD, YOU HAVE TO PASS THE ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER BEFORE YOU MAKE THE TURN. YES. AND THAT'S THE LOCATION WHERE YOU ARE SAYING IT, IT GOES, I'M SAYING THAT YOU COULD MAKE THAT SIGN IN THE SPOT THAT THEY HAVE THAT SIGN. YOU CAN MAKE IT TWICE AS LARGE OR THREE TIMES LARGE AS NOT GONNA, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE ANYTHING. THAT'S MY OPINION. I AGREE. I'M OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH IT. IT'S A BOWLING ALLEY AND A SHOPPING CENTER. WAIT, YOU'RE OKAY WITH DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE SIGN? YEAH. I'LL, I'LL JUST, I'LL TELL YOU IT'S NOT WELL, IT'S NOT QUITE IT, IT'S NOT QUITE DOUBLING. BUT SO HISTORICALLY WE HAVE PROTECTED THE SIZE OF THE DESIGN. SO VIRTUALLY EVERY MERCHANT COMES IN AND SAYS THEY WANT A BIGGER SIGN ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE THE SIGNS IN GREENBURG HAVE FOUGHT AGAINST THE SIGN INFLATION. THAT'S, IF YOU GO DOWN TO YONKERS, YOU'LL SEE EVERY EXISTING SIGN ON CENTRAL AVENUE. MM-HMM . TWICE OR THREE TIMES AS BIG BECAUSE EVERYBODY WHO WANTS TO SHOUT LOUDER. IT'S ME. IT'S ME. MM-HMM . SO, UH, A FEW MEETINGS AGO WE HAD BEST BUY AND WE HAD SPROUT MARKETS IN FRONT OF US. AND, UH, WE DID NOT GIVE THEM AN ENORMOUS INCREASE. WE MAY HAVE GIVEN THEM SOME INCREASE, BUT I, THEY'RE ADVERTISING BOTH OF THOSE PLACES WHAT BEST BUY OPENED AND SPROUTS IS ABOUT TO OPEN. AND THE SIGNS THAT WE ALLOTTED FOR ARE STILL THE DOMINANT SIGNS IN THE SHOPPING CENTER. AND THEY'RE VERY, VERY, UH, NOTICEABLE. YOU CAN SEE THEM. THEY DIDN'T NEED TO GO ANY BIGGER. AND EVEN THOUGH BEST BUY'S SIGN IN HARTSDALE IS MUCH, MUCH SMALLER THAN BEST BUY'S SIGN IN IN YONKERS, THE FACT IS, IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT COMPETING WITH OTHER GIANT SIGNS, IT WORKS JUST FINE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT AS A BOARD, ANYTIME WE GRANT A SIGN INCREASE, WE HAVE TO KEEP IT IN MIND THAT IF WE SAY TWICE AS BIG TO YOU, IT'S TWICE AS BIG TO SIGN INFLATION. THE SIGN INFLATION. SO WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST? I, I SUGGESTED NO, BUT I'M JUST THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO. YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OFTEN GIVEN A, AN INCREMENTAL UH, UH, INCREASE IF THERE'S, IF IT'S SHOWN TO BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING OR NECESSARY OR, OR SOMETHING, IT'S USUALLY 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN IN A SHOP, BIG BEDROOM THAT'S LIKE WAY BACK. AND IT'S A BIG, VERY BUSY STREET AND, YOU KNOW, VERY FAST MOVING STREET, YOU KNOW, DESCRIBED. IT'S LIKE AN EN OR AN ENORMOUS BUILDING. JUST DESCRIBED THE BUILDING. . NO, NO, NO. BUT THIS, THIS, THIS ACTUALLY, THE BUILDING FRONTAGE HAS ITS OWN, HAS DESIGN ON IT. IT ONLY HAS SHAPE. THIS IS A BIG BUILDING AND IT IS BACK. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S WAY BACK. WHAT DOES EVERYBODY ELSE THINK? I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. SIDES I DON'T CARE. I'M GUESS I, I'M HONESTLY, I, I'M FOR, UH, BUSINESSES SUCCEEDING AND IF THEY THINK A BIGGER SIZE IS GONNA HELP THEM OUT, I'M ALL FOR IT. THAT'S JUST HOW I FEEL. WE DO SEE THIS GOING ON THOUGH ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE SAYING, OH, WELL YOU GAVE IT TO THEM, SO NOW I'VE GOTTA MAKE IT BIGGER. WELL, BUT EVERY CASE, I MEAN, WE HAD THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, EVERY CASE IS UNIQUE AND CAN BE DISTINGUISHED. YEAH. OR, OR I COULD DISTINGUISH IT. WELL, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S ALL TRUE. BUT I, I I, WHILE YOU MIGHT SAY THAT YOU CAN DISTINGUISH THAT THIS SIGN WILL HAVE LITTLE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORS OR THE CHARACTER. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT THERE, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE A GOOD ARGUMENT THAT THE BIGGER SIGN IS MORE LEGIBLE. I THINK THE BIGGER SIGN IS LESS LEGIBLE. ME TOO. UH, I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T READ IT. YOU JUST SEE THE BLACK, JUST THE RENDERING. YEAH. NO, WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE ON, YOU'LL SEE IT, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA BE BIG, BIGGER AND BETTER. YEAH. FOR THE BOWLING ALLEY THERE, IT'S GONNA BE A BIGGER AND [02:45:01] BETTER SIGN. THE SECOND ONE GONNA BE BIGGER. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BETTER. SO IS THERE LIKE, ANY WAY OF COMPROMISING THIS OR THE COMPROMISES? WE SAY, UH, RESUBMIT A, A LESSER UH, INCREASE. ANYBODY WANNA DO THAT? THAT'S NOT TWICE THE SIZE. NO, BUT IT'S, IT'S ALMOST FROM TWO NUMBER TO 3.5. SO, SO GOING, YEAH. FROM TWO FEET TO THREE AND A HALF DAYS. 5%. YES. IT'S SLIGHTLY EXAGGERATED, BUT IT'S APPROACHING TWICE THE SIZE OF LETTERS. HEY, YOU SEE THIS IS IN ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PERCENTAGE AND FEET AND THE ACTUAL MEASUREMENT. YES. OKAY. RIGHT. , IT'S SO HOW DO WE IN REVERSE? I DON'T KNOW. YOU WANNA REVISE AND RESUBMIT? ANYBODY WANNA DO THAT? YES. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE THAT BIG, BUT I THINK THAT IT, IT COULD BIGGER BIGGER. IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIGGER, BUT NOT THAT BIG. WELL, LOOK AT IT FROM THIS. YOU'RE NOT SAYING . TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT, TURN AROUND THE OTHER WAY. AND LOOK LOUIS, LOUIS, TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT IT ON THAT ONE. I THINK IT'S CLEARER. IT'S CLEARER TO SEE IT. I GOTTA GET UP. IT'S BIGGER. WHAT'S THE LAST ONE? YOU CAN JUST GO RIGHT TO YOUR OTHER CHAIR. IT'S BIG. THE BLACK REALLY BRINGS IT OUT. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LETTERING. I KNOW IT BRINGS OUT THE LETTERS. IF YOU LOOK ON THE OTHER ONE AT THE TOP WHERE IT SAYS JUST BOWL. WELL, THEY'RE GETTING RID OF THE BOWL. RIGHT? WELL, 'CAUSE THEY PUT UP ALL THE COLOR. YEAH, I I THE LANE MARKING. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S RELEVANT, BUT THEY ARE GETTING RID OF THE BALL. THE WORD BALL. THAT WOULD BE TWO SIGNS FROM SAME SIGN WOULD OF THE BUILDING, WHICH YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE. IT'S KIND OF FUNNY THOUGH. THE NEW SIGN DOES NOT DESIGNATE THIS AS A POLLING ALLEY. I KNOW. THAT'S KIND OF WEIRD. LUCKY STRIKE. IT'S LUCKY STRIKE. OH, BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S A, IT'S A CIGARETTE ROCKET MANUFACTURER. THAT'S ONLY OLD PEOPLE LIKE US. REMEMBER THAT? THAT'S A CHAIN LUCKY STRIKE. THAT WAS BEFORE THE, UH, SURGEON GENERAL'S REPORT. 1971. NO, EARLY. THAT'S WHEN, THAT'S WHEN THEY TOOK THE COMMERCIALS OFF TV. NO, 63. IT'S A CHAIN. THERE'S, THEY SELECT ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE INTREPID. YEAH. I MEAN, WHEN I GREW UP, MY PEDIATRICIAN SMOKED IN THE OFFICE. WHICH ONE? THERE'S A LUCKY STRIKE BOWLING ALLEY ACROSS WEST STREET. MY MOTHER USED TO COMPLAIN SHE COULDN'T BREATHE IN THE PEDIATRICIAN'S OFFICE. UM, SHIP. YOU REMEMBER THAT? OH, OKAY. IN MANHATTAN. YEAH. WATER. I REMEMBER SOMETHING ELSE. AND THAT WAS, THERE WAS, UH, A MACHINE THAT WAS A CONTINUOUS X-RAY, I FORGET WHAT THEY CALLED IT, THAT YOU WOULD BE IN THIS MACHINE AND HE'D BE LOOKING AT IT AND POINTING OUT THE GROWTH, UH, PLATES AND EVERYTHING. SO, OH, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN GROW A CERTAIN AMOUNT, BUT YOU'RE IN THIS MACHINE WITH RADIATION. OH, JESUS COURSING IT THROUGH YOU FOR LIKE MINUTES AT A TIME. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER. THEY CALL THAT A LUCKY STRIKE. . THEY ACTUALLY USED TO MEASURE FEET WITH AN X-RAY LIKE THAT. YEP. YEAH. NOT, I'D LIKE TO GO EXPERIENCE BY FEET. HUH? OKAY. YOU WANNA? NO. YOU WANNA REVISE OR RESUBMIT? UH, YES. OKAY. AND YOU CAN MOVE. YOU'D LIKE TO ON THAT. UM, ED, WHAT WAS THE CONDITION ON THIS? 26 15 LANDSCAPING. OKAY, SO LANDSCAPING, UH, SHALL INSTALL LANDSCAPING TO THE SATISFACTION TO MINIMIZE. DO YOU NEED THINGS FOR BIRDS? SHOULD I PULL OFF THE BIG PAGES BIRDS? MM-HMM . TO THE SATISFACTION. I NEED THE TOWN FOREST. YOU CAN GIVE ALL OF IT. EVEN THE SMALL STUFF. YEAH. WHO'S THAT? WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A FORESTRY OPEN. REALLY? YEAH. SMOKEY THE BEAR. YOU CAN EVEN HAVE WATER AT WE, BECAUSE I DON'T NEED, OKAY. OKAY, LET'S GO BACK. OKAY. WE ARE NOW BACK WITH THE RESPONSE TO OUR DELIBERATIONS. UM, CASE NUMBER 26 10 HAS BEEN ADJOURNED TO THE, NO WAIT, THAT ONE WAS APPROVED. [02:50:01] NO, THAT ONE WAS APPROVED. RIGHT? I'M SORRY. SO WHO I GOT THE WHEREAS YEAH, WHEREAS . OKAY. THE THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED WELL AS GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION. DO I HAVE A MINUTE? SECOND. A SECOND. I'M SORRY. YES. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. AND I'LL I HAVE A MOTION. YES. I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 26 10 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE. SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUE. SORRY. CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER. AND CONFORMITY WITH PLANS DATED FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026 AND REVISED JULY 22ND, 2026, SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER, MODIFIED OR ANOTHER BY ANOTHER APPROVING AGENCY, APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN. PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN. THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES. EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN AND DUE TO THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR, WE WILL, UM, SUBMIT THE FINDINGS FOR THIS AT A LATER DATE, BUT THEY WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SECOND. I'M SORRY. NO OPPOSED? WHO DID THE SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I, I I'M SORRY. ARE WE OPPOSED? NO, WE HAVE TO VOTE. YES, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH. OKAY. AYE. NAY, WHICH ONE WE'RE ON? 26 10. AYE. NO. AYE. AYE. IS THAT EVERYONE? YES. YES. OKAY. THE NEXT IS CASE 26 12. I'M SORRY. YES. SORRY, JUST FOR THE RECORD. THAT WAS FOUR IN FAVOR AND TWO AGAINST. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZDA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANT COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION. DO WE HAVE SECOND? DO WE? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE A MOTION. YES. I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 26 DASH 12 BE DENIED. THE FINDINGS FOR THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS ON THE WEBSITE. SECOND, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND. WELL, ACTUALLY I'M IN IT. I'M, LOOK, DO YOU WANNA RE SENIOR YOUR SECOND AND WE'VE GOT HOWARD ON THE SECOND THERE. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES. OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT HOWARD ON THE SECOND, AND THEN WE CAN ALSO DO ROLL CALL. SO THIS IS 26, 12 AND CHRISTIE ABSTAIN. OKAY. WHAT? UM, NO, NO. HOWARD, NO, NO. JUST VOTE. YES. WOW. YES. OH, THEY PUT MINE AS A YES. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE YOUR VOTE TO A YES AND THEN WE'VE GOT PETER. NO. OKAY. SO VITAL TALLY ON THIS ONE. WE SHOULD JUST SAY YES OR NO. WE DO ENGLISH HERE. SO WE HAVE 4,002. YES. MM-HMM . CORRECT. APPLICATION IS DENIED. THANK YOU. [02:55:05] THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 26 13 14. HARTSDALE OR HARTH? HARTSDALE CIRCLE, HARTH, HEARTHSTONE, HAR STONE. I'M SORRY. AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS IT'S ADJOURNED. I'M SORRY. THIS IS THE ONE WE ARE, YEAH. OH YES. WE TOOK IT OUTTA ORDER. YES. TOOK IT OUTTA YES, WE TOOK IT OUT OF ORDER. I'M SORRY. SORRY. NUMERICALLY. UH, I BELIEVE THE CHAIR IS RIGHT. YOU WERE MOVING ON TO, WERE YOU ON TO 26, 13? I MOVED TO 26 13. BUT WE TOOK IT YES. BEFORE AS 26, 14 AND THEN WENT BACK TO 26. OKAY. THREE. UH, ED IS THERE, IS THERE SOME, A PROTOCOL? DO YOU THINK THE BOARD HEARD THE CASE OUT OF ORDER? SHOULD THEY CONTINUE LIKE THAT? NO. DOESN'T MATTER. ALRIGHT, SO WHY DON'T WE JUST STAY NUMERICAL. THAT'S WHAT I DID. RIGHT? OKAY. SO IT'S 20 26 13. 26 13. YES. YES. WE'LL START WITH THE CA. AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO CA COMPLIANCE, AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND? NO, NO, THIS IS ADJOURN. SORRY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ? THIS IS ADJOURNED. THAT'S RIGHT. KEEP GETTING AT THAT. YES, THAT IS ADUR, THAT'S ADJOURNED. I'M SORRY. 26. OH, THE GOAL. THIS IS SO CONFUSING. YEAH, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT AGAIN. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE ON 26 14 MM-HMM . WHEREAS THE GREENBERG ZBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO CA COMPLIANCE. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT SUBJECT APPLICATION AS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION. DO I HEAR? SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR BOX. AYE. AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? DO I HAVE TO DO A MOTION? LET ME JUST FIND THE, IT'S RIGHT HERE. YEAH, NO, I SEE IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE DATE OF THE DRAWINGS. OH, I DO HERE. OKAY. UM, MADAM CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE 26 14 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE. SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED, I HAVE THEM HERE. FIVE 18? YES. 2026. SIX. OKAY. DATED 5 18 20 26. SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION OR AS SUCH, PLAN MAY HEREAFTER, UM, MAYBE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN. AND PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN. UM, THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. ONLY. ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN. IS THAT IT? ANYBODY? SECOND? WOULD THAT MOTION INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING? SHOULD THAT BE NOTED AT THIS TIME? NO. WE, WE DIDN'T DO LANDSCAPING ON THIS. OKAY. IT'S A DIFFERENT, THIS IS THE ARCHITECT'S SUBMISSION, THE DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? WE JUST, ALTHOUGH WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE LANDSCAPE. WE DID TALK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE. YEAH. BUT THAT WOULD, WE LEFT IT OUT, BUT WE DECIDED THAT IT WOULD NOT BE A CONDITION. OH. BECAUSE THE PLANS WE WE'RE ADOPTING IT BASED ON THE PLANS AS THEY'RE IN SUBMITTED, IT'S IN THE PLANS. WHAT'S WHATEVER'S IN THE PLANS? GOVERNANCE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT, JUST TO BE CLEAR, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA DO, THAT'S FINE. MM-HMM . OH, THAT CONSIDERATION WAS FOR THE PLANS AS SUBMITTED WERE FOR THE DRIVEWAY CONSTRUCTION, CORRECT? MM-HMM . YES. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING A FEW SHRUBS, UM, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD WAS A DIFFERENT NO, THAT WAS ANOTHER ONE. THAT WAS A DIFFERENT ONE. NO, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE, THERE ARE SHRUBS IN THE OR SOMETHING. YEAH. I DEFINITELY WROTE DOWN THAT YOU, THERE WAS LANDSCAPING DISCUSSIONS [03:00:01] FOR TWO APPLICATIONS. RIGHT. THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ONE, BUT, RIGHT. NO, I AGREE. I AGREE. BUT I, I WAS TOLD THAT BECAUSE THE DRAWINGS SHOWED LANDSCAPING, THAT WAS SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH. THE DRAWINGS DO NOT SHOW LANDSCAPING THE PHOTOS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT SHE PUT IN THEM. YOU PUT THAT IN THE RECORD. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THEM IN A RENDERING OR SOMETHING. RIGHT. I SUBMITTED HIGHLAND ROAD. THE DRAWINGS DO NOT HAVE LANDSCAPING. OKAY. I THINK YOU INDICATED THAT A FEW SHRUBS WOULD BE ADVISABLE. UM, BUT IF IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD AT THIS TIME, THEN IT'S UP VOTE. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT LANDSCAPING WE TALKED ABOUT THE OUS, THE DRAWING SHOWED LANDSCAPING RIGHT HERE TO KEEP THE CARS FROM BEING SEEN FROM THE, FROM THE STREET. NOT THIS DRAWING THOUGH. RIGHT. BUT THE, THE RENDERINGS THAT WE SAW, LET ME SEE. IT'S THE VERY END LANDSCAPING THERE. THAT MAKES IT VERY END. RIGHT. HINDERS YOUR ABILITY TO GET OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY. THERE ARE SHRUBS RIGHT HERE AND YOU MENTIONED THE SHRUBS WOULD BE BLOCKING, BUT ARE THESE, BUT ARE THESE SHRUBS EXISTING? YEAH, I THINK SO. I DON'T KNOW. SORRY. I DON'T WANT CLOUDY THINGS OUT. I WOULD JUST PROCEED. RIGHT. JUST STATE THAT WE'LL WORK WITH APPLICANT THOUGH. THEY'LL PROBABLY, SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? SO, UM, DID WE DO THE MOTION IN A SECOND? YES. YES. DO YOU NEED A ROLL CALL? SURE. STILL DO. ALL IN FAVOR WHEN IT'S UNANIMOUS? WE DO ALL IN FAVOR? YES. AYE. UNANIMOUS . YOU CAN ASK. ALL OPPOSED DO WE ASK FOR NOBODY? ANYONE OPPOSED? OKAY. NEXT CASE. 26 16. 1515. I'M SORRY, , WHERE'D YOU GET 15 FROM? WHO'S DOING 15? YEAH, WE'RE DOING 16. WHAT? 15 LEWIS? WASN'T THAT YOU? 15 IS ME? YOU'RE UP TO 15. NO, WE'RE UP TO 15. 15. NO, WE'RE UP TO, WE'RE UP TO 15 PADE. YES. AND THIS IS THE ONE WITH THE PEROL, RIGHT? NO, NO. 15 IS THE, UH, THE DECK, THE REAR YARD AND THE UH, OH, THAT'S THE DECK. OH, THIS IS THE DECK. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO THAT'S GRANTED. RIGHT? WHEREAS THE GREENBERG EBA HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION OF REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? A SECOND. AYE. AYE. SECOND. SO ALL IN FAVOR? THIS IS AYE. AYE. AYE. UNANIMOUS? YES. DO I HEAR THE MOTION? UH, YES. MADAM CHAIR, I, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 20 16 15 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE THE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER. AND CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS RECEIVED JULY 13TH, 2026, SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN. PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN. THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT SHOWN IN THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN, UH, FURTHER THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHALL BE MET. THIS IS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE TANA GREENBURG FOREST D FORESTRY OFFICER. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. [03:05:02] AND WE ARE NOW UP TO THE BOWLING ALLEY. BOWLING ALLEY. THE BOWLING ALLEY, WHICH WE WILL, THAT'S THE AUGUST VERSION THAT STAFF WILL SEND A LETTER ASKING MAY I DON'T HAVE THIS ADJOURNED ADJOURN I WAS LOOKING FOR STILL PERCENTAGE. THERE WE GO. WHEN WE DO THAT, DO WE TELL THEM WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE OR WE KEEP THEM GUESSING? NO, WE CAN, WE CAN TELL THEM WHAT WE WANT. UHHUH AND IF THEY HEARD IT, SO YEAH. OKAY. THE LETTER GOES OUT FROM THE SECRETARY. MM-HMM . EXPLAIN WHAT ISSUE. MM-HMM . BUT THE LETTER WOULDN'T HAVE THE A NUMBER IN IT. WOULD IT? IT WOULD NOT DELINEATE WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. NO. OKAY. NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE MEETING. YES. YES. THANK YOU EVERYONE. SEE YOU ALL ON SEPTEMBER 17TH AND. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.