* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [01:52:00] NO [01:52:00] AUDIO [01:52:00] GOING [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH ANTENNA REVIEW BOARD 177 Hillside Avenue, Greenburgh, NY 10607 CATHERINE LEDERER-PLASKETT Chair ] [01:52:01] OUT. [01:52:03] NOW [01:52:03] THERE [01:52:03] IS, [01:52:03] BUT [01:52:06] HAVE [01:52:06] NO [01:52:06] IDEA. [01:52:06] TWO, [01:52:08] UM, [01:52:11] APPLICANT [01:52:14] WAS [01:52:15] NOT [01:52:16] CORRECT. [01:52:21] CAROL SMITH [01:52:22] VOTES [01:52:22] ON [01:52:22] BEHALF [01:52:22] OF [01:52:25] PRESENTING. SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A PREVIOUS APPLICATION, WE DON'T KNOW IF NEW, NEW SINGULAR IS CORRECT OR NOT, BUT WE HAVE TO ACCEPT IT AS IT IS. SO C IS COMPLETE, D IS COMPLETE. BI DON'T HAVE A, UM, I, I WAS UNABLE TO LOOK THIS UP, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DONE, IF IT'S CORRECT, BUT PD ZONING DISTRICT THAT I MADE. AND SO IT'S, IS IT A PD? THAT'S IT SAYS HERE. WE MAYBE CAN FIND IT AS, UH, WE HAVE THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. I MEAN A COMPLETION. WE CAN GET TO IT. I'LL LEAVE THAT. THEN. UM, IF YOU GO TO F, THIS IS FOR F AND YOU, THEN YOU GO TO F. UM, SO FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED A FIRST. SO IF IT'S DAMIEN, IT WOULD BE DAMIEN, UM, BEHALF OF, AND YI SECOND. UM, THERE'S NO, IT SAYS IN THIS ANSWER THAT IN EXHIBIT B IS THE AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP AUTHORIZING AEROSMITH, DVA, AEROSMITH DEVELOPMENT ON BEHALF OF AT AND T TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY FOR AT AND T'S, UM, AS WELL AS THE COVER AND SIGNATURE BETWEEN, THERE'S NO MENTION OF SMITH IN THIS LEASE AND WE WOULDN'T BE USING THE PROPERTY [01:55:04] AND IN THE LICENSE AGREEMENT PRESENTED, IT'S NOT THE OWNER. SO YES, IT'S FROM 2015, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING REPRESENTING THE SALE TO BUY THESE, THESE, THE OWN, THE OWNER, THE OLD OWNER. AND THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT AEROSMITH. SO IT IS INCOMPLETE AND NEEDS A PERSON WHO AEROSMITH IS NOT REFERENCED ANYWHERE. AND HE IS GOING BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE, THERE'S A WORD LEFT OUT BECAUSE IN THE ANSWER IT SAYS TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY FOR AT T'S S DEATH AS WELL AS THE PUBLISH AND SIGNATURE PAGE. I, THE ANSWER DOESN'T MAKE, HAVE YOU READ THOSE? ANSWER? IT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT F RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING. NEXT WRITE IS THE ANSWER. INCOMPLETE THAT RIGHT? SOMEBODY'S MISSING. YEAH, I WROTE THE ANSWERS INCOMPLETE. SO WHAT IT SAYS IS A PERSON NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED AS THE WHO? AN F WELL, WHAT Q WE'RE IN F IF A PERSON NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED AS BEING DULY, A PERSON NEEDS TO BE IDENTIFIED AS BEING DULY SWORN. TWO. AEROSMITH IS NOT REFERENCED IN THE LEASE OR ANY SUPPORTING DOCUMENT. THREE. THE ANSWER IS INCOMPLETE. UH, I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T GUESS WHAT THE OBJECTION IS. . UM, SO THAT'S INCOMPLETE THEN IT WOULD GA DESCRIPTION OF ALL WORD NECESSARY. WE WAS Q WE'RE NOT UP TO IT YET. WHAT WE SAID FEAR Q SECTION. YEAH, THEY MEAN THE, THEY DON'T MEAN SCHEDULE Q, THEY MEAN QUESTION Q THEY MEAN QUESTION Q. OH, Q. THAT'S WHAT I, SO THIS IS TO BE ALL WORK REFLECTED. THIS IS THE SAME ISSUE WE'VE HAD BEFORE. THEY NEED TO IDENTIFY WIRES, CABLES, ANYTHING BEING REMOVED AND IT SHOULD BE LISTED AND THEY DON'T DO THAT. SO, BUT THEY AGREE ON THE TWO WEEKS OF WHAT THINGS WITH THEY GOT THAT. AND THE NUMBERS ARE, LET'S SAY NOT LIKE . OKAY. UP TO PROVIDED, UH, [02:00:01] CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION. UH, OKAY. FRANCIS DID THE NOISE, SIR, DOES THE NOISE, I KNOW WE'RE NOT THERE. DOES NOISE REPORT HAVE TO BE DONE ON THE BLOCK? NO, 'CAUSE IT'S ON THIS PAGE. SORRY, CONTINUE ON THE CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION. AND THIS IS FOR THE FACILITY ON THE ROOF. I'M NOT ABLE TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER IT'S, ITS AT T OR SINGULAR SOMEWHERE HERE. THIS WAS GRANTED. OKAY, SO THIS, THIS IS, DOES FRANCIS, DOES IT HAVE THE, UM, ZONING DISTRICT? NO, THERE ARE OTHER PAGES THAT HAVE IT AS A PD THOUGH. DO YOU HAVE THE ZONING DISTRICT IN THIS, SIR? UH, THERE'S OTHER PAGES IN THE ZONING COMPLIANCE FORM THAT HAS IT AS A PD. OKAY. UM, AND I, BECAUSE I IS COMPLETE, AND THIS IS WHERE THE QUESTION OF THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS, UM, AND THE DATES OF IT, IT SAYS EXHIBIT J. SO THE REPORT BY GREGORY IS DATED THE SAME DAY THAT STAMPS, WHICH IS FROM NOVEMBER 25. IT IS THE GT WIRELESS ENGINEERING. UM, THAT IS NOT A CURRENT REPORT. WE NEED A CURRENT REPORT IN THE PRIOR APPLICATION FOR THE AFFIDAVIT OF OWNERSHIP TO SEE IF THIS WAS, WE, WE DON'T, THAT WAS FROM A DIFFERENT APPLICANT AND THEY DID NOT COMPLETE IT. OH, OKAY. THEY ONLY, THEY ONLY SENT IN ONE. IT WAS NEVER THAT. IT MUST BE THAT WHEN THEY FIRST WENT UP FROM THE ZONING APPLICATION. RIGHT. THEY GOT A ZONING PERMIT, BUT UM, THERE WAS A REVISIT OF IT AND IT WAS NOT COMPLETED. [02:05:27] OKAY. SO K TO MY EYE IS COMPLETE. UH, SORRY. K. SO, UM, ON THE CAD DRAWING A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN, OH NO, THAT IS K THIS IS THE RIGHT SECTION. UM, THE CAD DRAWING SHOWS MORE ANTENNA THAN THAT BEING INSTALLED. UM, HANG ON, ON A OH THREE IN THE UPPER, IN THE PART AT THE TOP, THE INSTALLATION NOTES ARE TO INSTALL ANDREW, WHICH IT'S AN ERICSSON, BUT UH, TWO PER SECTOR, THAT'S SIX TOTAL. AND THEN ONE ERICSSON, WHICH IS ONE PER SECTOR, THREE TOTAL, THAT'S ALREADY NINE. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE PER SECTOR THREE TOTAL, AND THEN ANOTHER, UH, ADDED ON. SO ISN'T THAT MORE THAN IS AM I DOING MATH WRONG? OKAY, I I SEE . UM, SO, AND, AND I CAN CLARIFY THAT. CAN YOU SPEAK LOUDER? CAN YOU REALLY WORK ON PROJECTING? I, UH, ONE OF THE ANTENNAS IS, UH, STACKED, ANTENNA. UM, IT, IT SHOULD, THEY JUST GO ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. SO I COUNTED THAT AS ONE PER SECTOR. SO THREE. UH, BUT I CAN MAKE THAT, THAT REVISION IF THAT'S JUST CAN, CAN YOU SO I GET IT RIGHT? YEAH, SURE. SO, UH, ON HOW MANY ANTENNAS ARE YOU SAYING THAT ARE THERE AND HOW MANY DID THEY REPRESENT INCORRECTLY? IT'S PROPOSED AS NINE TOTAL. UM, BUT THE INSTALLATION NOTES ON A OH THREE, UH, OKAY, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, IT SAYS ON THE TOP THERE 12 EXISTING, THIS IS FOR K AND A TOTAL OF NINE ARE PROPOSED. OKAY, SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT IT IS INCOMPLETE ACTUALLY HOW MANY TIMES YOU SAY 12? YEAH, INTO 10. UH, I, I DIDN'T FINISH THE SENTENCE, BUT YEAH. SO IT'S SIX TOTAL, THREE TOTAL AND THREE TOTAL, WHICH WOULD BE 12, UH, AS WRITTEN. WELL, CAN THIS BE CONSIDERED A MACRO CELL? EXCEPT THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT, THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN COUNTED THAT WAY? YEAH, THIS IS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THAT'S, OH, EVERYTHING ELSE SAYS NINE MARKED APPROPRIATELY. YEAH. SO LOOK, I'M LOOKING AT THIS. YOU'RE SAYING A TOTAL OF 12 ANTENNAS EXISTING ANTENNAS IS INCORRECT, OR YOU'RE SAYING THE PROPOSED NINE ANTENNAS, RIGHT. UH, THE PROPOSED NINE IS INCORRECT BECAUSE WHAT THEY DID IS COUNT THE MACRO CELLS EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY, THEY COUNTED IT THAT WAY AND HE WENT BACK AND CHECKED IT, BUT THEN THERE WERE OVER THE NUMBER OF ANTENNAS THAT ARE PERMITTED IF THEY COUNT ALL THE INDIVIDUAL ANTENNAS TO A MACRO CELL. SO WE COULD EITHER GO BACK AND TELL HIM THAT HE SHOULDN'T BE COUNTING THEM THAT WAY, OR WE SHOULD GO WITH THE WAY THEY'VE COUNTED THEM THROUGHOUT. I WOULD HAVE THEIR ENGINEER DETERMINE WHETHER, WHETHER OR NOT IF IT'S IT COM IT, UH, COMPORTS TO BEING A MACRO CELL AND IF SO, USE MACRO CELL. AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN THEY HAVE TO STATE THAT THEY HAVE THE NUMBER OF ANTENNAS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT WE DID WHEN WE STARTED THIS BACK IN 96 WAS IN ORDER TO [02:10:01] MAKE IT WORK FOR PROVIDERS AND FOR TECHNOLOGY, EVEN THOUGH THEY PUT THREE TOGETHER IN ORDER FOR IT TO FUNCTION, WE COUNTED THAT AS ONE MACULAR CELL. OKAY. BECAUSE IT WOULD NOT FUNCTION WITHOUT ALL THREE. SO, BUT WHAT YOU'RE POINTING OUT IS HE'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE 12 ON THIS PAGE. YEAH. HE'S NOT COUNTING ON ACCORDINGLY. CORRECT. THERE'S A, THERE'S A SELLING OF APPLES AND ORANGES ON THIS COUNT. WELL LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF MACRO CELL AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS, UH, A MACRO CELL. IN OTHER WORDS, THREE SETS OF THREE IN A TRIANGLE WOULD BE A MACRO CELL. WHAT I WROTE IS, ARE THESE A MACRO CELL? THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT NINE ANTENNAS PROPOSED BASED ON THE APPLICATION AS THERE ARE 12 EXISTED. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. L IS COMPLETE. AND THEN YOU COME INTO THE QUESTION AGAIN OF N WHICH THEY HAVE NINE IDENTIFIED. INSTEAD OF, AND I'M GOING TO CHANGE THIS FROM COMPLETE TO INCOMPLETE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHETHER THIS IS A MAG CELL. IT'S ULTIMATELY UNDER THE, I'M SORRY. IT'S ULTIMATELY THE BILLING DEPARTMENT TO DETERMINE IF IT IS, BUT THEIR ENGINEER SHOULD BE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THEM. OKAY. OKAY. NOW UP TO THE NEAR LEVELS, THEY MAY BE SPREAD OUT TOO FAR IN ORDER TO BE A MACRO RESULT, BUT LOOK INTO IT ANYWAY AND JUST COME UP WITH A CONSISTENT STANDARD. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE THIS SHIELD, UH, AS, AS WE SEE HOW THEY'RE PLACED MEASUREMENTS ON THE ROOF, THIS IS THE EXACT SAME THING WE HAD FROM PAPER OF THESE ARE CLOSER TO THE EDGE, BUT THERE'S NOT ON THE PARAPET. AND EVEN IF THEY WERE ON THE PARAPET, WE WANNA KNOW IN A STATEMENT THERE WAS NO BACKFLOW. UM, SO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR DRAWING, IT MAKES NO SENSE. CAN I I'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE. CAN I REFERENCE AS WAS THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SAME APPLICANT [02:15:07] I WROTE AS WILL , AS WAS THE CASE WITH A HUNDRED CLEAR CHARTS DO NOT REFLECT EXPOSURE ON THE ROOF, THEREFORE THEY DID NOT REFLECT COMPLIANCE. UH, THIS ALSO HAS THE SAME ALL OF THEM DO AS THE ALPHA BETA GAMMA VERSUS A, B AND C. . PUT THAT, I'D LIKE TO THIS. PUT THAT IN Q WE PUT IT IN. YEAH, I PUT IT IN. NO, WE DID PUT IT THERE. WE PUT IT IN, UH, THE APPLICA. THE LETTER IN THE APPLICATION MUST HAVE, NO, THAT'S NOT IT. GO ON. UH OH. WE PUT IT IN CERTIFICATION OF THE SPORTS STRUCTURE. THAT, THERE YOU GO. PROBABLY BEST WORD, SORRY. . IF THERE'S A SENTENCE HERE THAT IS UNCLEAR TO ME, THE NEAR ANALYSIS IS CUMULATIVE AND TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE EXISTING CARRIERS FACILITIES AND AT T'S PROPOSED UPGRADES. ARE THEY TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES? I'M SORRY, WHAT'S, UH, MOST N FIRST PARAGRAPH WRITTEN? THIS NEAR ANALYSIS HAS 2 MILLION TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION THE EXISTING CARRIERS FACILITIES. AND AT T'S PROPOSED UPGRADE. ARE THERE TWO CARRIERS THERE? BUT I, I KNOW NOT NOW. OKAY. THEN IN THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION, SECOND LINE FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE 40, IT'S 43.998%. WHERE IS THAT EXHIBIT F PAGE, PAGE NUMBER EIGHT. SO AT 80 FEET IT'S 43.9 ROUND LEVEL IT [02:20:01] IS SUPPOSED TO STAY. THE SENTENCE SAYS, UM, IT, YOU SHOULD BE CITING WHAT IT SENTENCE SAYS AT WHAT DISTANCE THAT IS. IT'S HIGHER THAN WE THAT IS A VERY HIGH PARDON? THAT'S A VERY HIGH NUMBER. IT'S A VERY HIGH NUMBER. IT'S HIGHER THAN OTHER THAN ONE SITE. WHICH IS IS A SUMMARY YOU TALKING ABOUT THE NEAR READINGS FOR IT'S FOR ONE, IF INDEED THIS IS ONE PROVIDER, IT'S AT 43.998% AT 80 FEET. THAT'S, THAT'S HIGH. UM, AND IT SAYS AGAIN, SECTION THREE REFLECT THE LANGUAGE OF THE APPLICATION. THE LANGUAGE. THE LANGUAGE IN THE, IN THE APPLICATION MUST MIRROR IN ITS ENTIRETY THE LANGUAGE OF THE REPORT. THAT IS IT. OKAY. HOW DO WE LOOK ON NOISE? UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT BACKGROUND NOISE LEVEL EXTRACTED FROM TRAFFIC NOISE. I WOULD THINK THE TRAFFIC NOISE WOULD BE PART OF THE BACKGROUND NOISE. I SKIP THOUGH BACK AND IT SAYS THE MEASURED, SO IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S A CALCULATED IF THEY'RE DOING SOME KIND OF AN EXTRACTION, IT'S A CALCULATED DBA WONDERING WHAT THE REAL NUMBER WAS THAT THE METER GAVE. SO, SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE, THE NUMBER THAT MEANS, RIGHT. WHAT WAS THE WAY TO READING? RIGHT? IT SAYS IN THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON THAT SAME PAGE, WHICH IS PAGE FOUR OF THE AEROSMITH REPORT, UH, SECTION FOUR, UH, WE USED THE SCHOLASTIC ANALYSIS METHODS TO EXTRACT THE AMBIENT NOISE THAT INCLUDES THE CELL SITE GENERATED NOISE. SO THE AMBIENT NOISE SOMEHOW IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BACKGROUND NOISE. AND I'VE NOT KNOWN THAT TO BE DIFFERENT, BUT MAYBE THERE'S SOME TECHNICAL DEFINITION THAT COULD BE EXPLAINED TO US. IT IS THIS AMBIENT NOISE THAT WE USE TO COMPLY WITH THE 65 DVA THOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS OVER 65, BUT IF YOU ONLY USE THE AMBIENT NOISE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE BACKGROUND NOISE, BUT THE, BUT THE, UM, AMBIENT NOISE INCLUDES THE CELL SITE. I JUST FIND IT CONFUSING. BACKGROUND NOISE LEVEL EXTRACTED FROM TRAFFIC NOISE. DO YOU HAVE A CLUE? USUALLY IT'S STACKING WHERE THEY, UH, DBA IS A TIME MEASUREMENT AND SO YOU CAPTURE IT IN SMALL INTERVALS TO WHEN THE TRAFFIC WASN'T THERE TO GET THE TRUE READING, WHICH IS A TOTALLY VALID METHOD. BUT THEN IT'S NOT THE MEASURED DBA, IT IS THE CALCULATED DBA. SO WHAT IS A BACKGROUND NOISE AS DISTINGUISHED FROM THE TRAFFIC BIAS? UH, I ASSUME THEY MEAN BACKGROUND NOISE LEVEL OF THE SITE JUST BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT APPLIES. UH, BUT IF EITHER WAY IT'S NOT A MEASURED NUMBER. IF THEY CALCULATE IT, WOULDN'T IT JUST BE THE NOISE LEVEL OF THE SITE AS OPPOSED TO THE BACKGROUND NOISE LEVEL? YEAH, AN 18 WHEELER GOES BY OUT TRAFFIC, RIGHT? THAT'S UH, YEAH, . NO, I, I AGREE. [02:25:01] I'M JUST SAYING I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY HAVE BEEN A CALCULATION DONE, WHICH IS OH, IT'S DEFINITELY A CALCULATION. YEAH. WHICH IS VALID, BUT THEN IT'S NOT MEASURED DB, RIGHT? IT'S CALCULATED DB. SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLEAR. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PUT THE MEASURED DB, CALCULATED DB USING WHATEVER METHOD AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY, AND, AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME TO KNOW WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMBIENT NOISE AND BACKGROUND NOISE. I JUST LOOKED IT UP. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. OKAY, HERE IT COMES. AMBIENT NOISE IS THE ENTIRE SURROUNDING SOUNDSCAPE BACKGROUND NOISE IS THE BASELINE LEVEL LEFT OVER WHEN YOU SUBTRACT A SPECIFIC TARGET SOUND YOU CARE ABOUT. SO YOU TAKE, SO THE BACKGROUND NOISE IS THE BASELINE SOUND LEFT OVER WHEN YOU SUBTRACT A SPECIFIC TARGET SOUND YOU CARE ABOUT, CARE ABOUT WHAT THE SOUND LEVEL IS AT THE PROPERTY LINE, I MEAN WHAT THE NOISE LEVEL IS AT THE, UH, PROPERTY LINE. YEAH. SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE EXTRACTING THE TRAFFIC OUT OF IT, WHICH IS PART OF IT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT HOW OUR RIGHT. OUR NOISE ORDINANCE READS. BUT THE ANTENNA LAW TALKS ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT. YEAH. SO I CAN SEE WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, WHAT THE NOISE LEVEL OF THE EQUIPMENT. BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THE NOISE LEVEL OF THE EQUIPMENT BY ITSELF IS 61 DBA. WE DUNNO. BUT, SO YEAH, A CALCULATED MEASUREMENT IT MEANS COULD BE FIGURED OUT. UH, DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN A MEASURED DPA AND CALCULATED DPA. IT'S AIR HOLD FACTORY ACROSS THE STREET, RIGHT? AND AIR, RIGHT. DDBA, DBAD DB AND THEN THE A GOES IN A PARENTHESIS AND IS THAT FOR J? OH, THE B IS, YEAH. LOWERCASE. DQ, YEAH, PRETTY FAR WITH THAT ONE. YES. . I THINK THE BIGGEST THING WITH Q WAS THE ISSUE OF THE MA. THERE ARE TWO PARTS TO Q. UM, IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH FASTER THEY SAY THEY'RE DOING THIS ONE THAN THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE ON THIS ONE IT SAYS WEEK ONE IS ALL THE WORK AND WEEK TWO IS THE CLOSEOUT. THE OTHER ONE SAYS WEEK ONE IS THE WORK AND WEEK TWO IS THE WORK AND THE CLOSEOUT IS WEEK THREE. SO THEY'RE CUTTING THIS LITERALLY BY SEVEN DAYS. WHAT THEY DO NOT REFERENCE HERE THAT THEY REFERENCED IN CLEAR BOOK IS THAT IT DAYS ONE THROUGH SEVEN. SO THAT WOULD INDICATE THEY'RE WORKING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO THIS IS NOT NEARLY AS A COMPLETE A TERM. AND WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW, UM, ABOUT MACRO CELLS. AGAIN, I, I DON'T DUNNO WHETHER TO WRITE IT AGAIN OR REFER TO THE OTHER ONE IN A C SECTION. UH, SEC. K? YES. K REFER TO SECTION K. THIS IS ALSO NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, BUT WEEK ONE THEY'RE INSTALLING A SITE CONTROLLER. WHAT IS THAT? I ASSUME SUPPOSED TO BE CONTROLLER. MM-HMM . AS OPPOSED TO A COMPTROLLER. YES. [02:30:44] BUT HERE THEY DON'T GIVE US A COLOR AS THEY DID IN THE LAST ONE. UM, RR THEY AND R THEN THEY GAVE US A NAME FOR IT LAST TIME. IT SAYS LIKE, IT SAYS LIGHT GRAY. OH, TYPE A COLOR CODE. YEAH. RA SEVEN. OH. BUT ACTUALLY WHAT I WAS GONNA POINT OUT IS THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S AN O NOT A ZERO ROUTE 7 0 3 5 IS THAT'S AN O. YES. YEAH. SO THAT SHOULD BE BUT WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE OR NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE START WITH AN R AND AN A AND AN L. BUT MY POINT IS ONLY THAT THEY SHOULD BE PROVIDING US WITH THE, THE NAME AND AGAIN THE MANUFACTURER. YEAH. UH, RA IS A COLOR SWATCH. UH, BUT IF THEY'RE PAINTING IT, THEN IT SHOULD BE A, THEY NEED TO PROVIDE IT WITH A COLOR. YEAH. UH, THE COLOR CODE THAT'S MATCHED TO, THEY'RE TELLING US HOW THEY WILL BLEND AESTHETIC CHOICE. AND THIS IS NOT TRUE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T COME TO US. AND THIS IMMEDIATELY PUTS IN DOUBT ANY STATEMENT AGAIN MADE BY THEM BECAUSE THIS WENT TO A ZONING BOARD. SO WE DID NOT APPROVE THE COLOR CHOICE. I MEAN, IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE A ZERO? YEAH. DO WE KNOW THAT FOR A FACT? I MEAN, DID YOU LOOK IT UP? YEAH, I DID LOOK AT IT. BUT YOU SAY THAT, BUT IF YOU LOOKED IT UP. YEAH, I LOOKED IT UP. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. WE KNOW WHAT WE ABSOLUTELY CAN SAY THAT. YEAH. WE KNOW WHAT BRAND THAT IS. NO. SO RAUL IS LIKE A COLOR SWATCH. UH, SO IT'S LIKE A UNIVERSAL, OH, COLOR CODING SYSTEM. SO IT TECHNICALLY COUNTS, BUT IT'S NOT A MANUFACTURER. WELL, SO THAT'S THE THING IS IF IT'S, IF THE MANUFACTURER MAKES IT TO THAT SPEC THAT IT'S COUNTS. BUT IF IT'S BEING PAINTED OR IF IT, IF IT'S NOT HOW THE HARDWARE COMES TO YOU, THEN IT NEEDS TO BE NOTED. I CLICK THE, UH, PINK CHIPS AT HOME DEPOT EXCEPT ACTUALLY STANDARDIZED. BUT THIS IS ALSO LIKE THAT WHEN I BROUGHT IN THE SAME THING MULTIPLE TIMES AND THEY COULDN'T DO IT WELL, SO I AM THE 1 0 0 2 DASH B IS OKAY. UH, YEAH, I I DIDN'T SEE WHAT, OKAY. UH, BUT YEAH, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHICH MANUFACTURER AND WHAT IS THE COLOR NAME IDENTIFIED FOR ALL ELEMENTS OF THE INSTALLATION? THIS WAS WENT TO THE ZBA PREVIOUSLY, NOT TO THE A A RB. CORRECT THAT. WHO IS THE MANUFACTURER? AND THEN I HAVE RAL SEVEN AND WITH AN ARROW MAKE THE NEXT LETTER AT 0 35. [02:35:03] YES. OKAY. OKAY. NOW THIS IS HERE. WE HAVE THE DRAWINGS, SCALE CINDER BLOCKS. I FAVOR NOWHERE HERE. DO I HAVE A PROFILE OF THE BUILDING? NOWHERE HERE. DO I HAVE A MEASUREMENT OF HEIGHT IN THE BUILDING? NOWHERE HERE DO I HAVE MEASUREMENT OF ANY OF THE THINGS IN BE AS SHOWN ON A PLAN. I HAVE NEVER NOT RECEIVED THAT BEFORE IN THIS, SINCE 1956. WAIT, HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, I, THERE SHOULD BE A SIDE VIEW, UH, A O THREE OR MAYBE I'M, YEAH, I'M SIDE A O THREE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO THE GROUND, IT DOESN'T HAVE THE ELEVATION OF THE MAKE. WAIT, MINE WAS COVERED BY A STAPLE HERE. IS IT THE SMALLEST YOU'VE EVER HAD IT? WHERE IS THE EQUIPMENT? SHELBY? UH, WHERE ONE AND 2.2. OKAY. THIS ONLY HAS, AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE WITH THIS PROVIDER. IT HAS THE A GL, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE BOTH. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M REFERRING TO? STEVE? ARE YOU LISTENING TO THE A GL? I'M NOT SEEING THAT. YOU CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD IT 'CAUSE IT WAS ON THE HUNDREDTH CLEAR BOOK, BUT IT'S NOT HERE. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MY GRAY. YEAH, PHONES ARE ARE TOUGH. UM, BUT HERE, IF YOU SEE THIS IS, SO THERE IS THERE A PARAPET ON THIS ROOF PAINTED, WHICH, HOW IT COMES OUT. BUT , BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS ROOF BECAUSE IT SHOWS NO EDGE TO THE ROOF WHERE THERE WOULD BE ANYTHING STOPPING SOMEONE FROM WALKING RIGHT OFF IT. SO IT'S UH, IT . YEAH. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A WHAT STOPS SOMEONE SAFETY, SOMEONE GOING OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROOF. IT'S ALSO, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S ALSO, UM, A LADDER, UH, THAT IS PLACED. UH, IF SOMEONE STOOD UP TO THE ROOF, THEY, IF , I BELIEVE IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YOU HAVE LIABILITY WOULD BE SUCH THAT NO ONE WOULD ISSUE LIABILITY INSURANCE IF THERE'S NOT AN EDGE TO THIS ROOF OF THAT SORT. WE ALSO, WHEN YOU GO BACK AND FIX THE HEIGHTS, ADD IT FOR THE EXISTING HVAC, I'M LOOKING FOR THE POST. OKAY. [02:40:08] UM, AM I MISSING THE PLATFORM HEIGHT? IS IT HERE THAT I'M NOT SEEING YOU? I JUST WANTED TO RECONCILE GOING BACK TO THE, UH, THIS REPORT. IT DOES SAY, OH, IT SAYS NO PARENT, BUT IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING STRAIGHT OFF OF WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. IT ONLY SAYS IT HERE. THERE, THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE AN . THERE IS SOMETHING. YEAH. SO WE CAN'T SPECULATE. YEAH. WE EITHER NEED A STATEMENT THAT NO INSURANCE WANTS TO COVER YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA ROLL RIGHT OFF. UM, OR THERE ISN'T. I HAVE NEVER BEEN ON A ROOF OF COMMERCIAL ROOF. RIGHT. SOMETHING HAS TO BE LISTED. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT PLAN IS ANY BETTER THAN THIS PLAN. NO, I WAS JUST POINTING OUT THAT IT ALSO DOESN'T SAY THERE. SO IF ANYTHING GETS UPDATED, IT ALSO, SO RIGHT. SLIP DOWN OUR LIST GOING TO UNDERLINE IT RATHER THAN LIST IT ALL. OKAY. THE COLOR . THAT'S EXACTLY THE . . I MEAN THERE'S A BROWN LIP, WHICH KIND OF IMPLIES PARALLEL. STOP LOOK, DON'T, DON'T EVEN SPECULATE. DON'T EVEN LOOK. NOW IT'S UP TO THEM TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. OKAY. THEIR DRAWINGS ARE INCOMPLETE. ANYTHING WE SAY IS ALSO BEING RECORDED IS SPECULATION AND IS NOT HELPFUL. MM-HMM . OKAY. IS THERE A STATEMENT ABOUT LINE LIGHTING? YES. THERE'S A STATEMENT. THERE'S NONE. SO LIGHTING IS DEALT WITH SIGNAGE. WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT WHAT IS ABOUT LIGHTING? IT SAYS ON THE APPLICATION AT AND T IS NOT ADDING ANY LIGHTING AND DOES NOT HAVE ANY EXISTING LIGHTING. DO YOU HAVE A ROOF WITHOUT A PARA? WE HAVE A ROOF WITHOUT ANY SIDES ON IT. THERE'S NO LIGHTING. WE HAVE TO MENTION THIS TO CARPET THAT THEY ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. I MEAN THAT'S, YEAH. SO DO WE HAVE THE MATERIALS SOMEPLACE HERE? FOR WHAT? FOR ALL OF THE THINGS IN S WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE MATERIALS ARE LOCATED AND APPARENTLY STEVE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL US THAT THIS IS HIS APPLICATION. UH, THE INFORMATION SIGN IS MISSING. WE'RE NOT UP FOR INFORMATION SENT. WE'RE UP TO MATERIALS. RIGHT. I JUST ASKED TO IDENTIFY MATERIALS. THE MATERIALS, UM, AS IN ALL THE EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOFTOP. UH, AS IF, AS THIS STATEMENT SAYS, THE PLAN SHALL INCLUDE DESCRIPTION OF THE ANTENNA AND ALL THE RELATED FIXTURES, STRUCTURES, PS AND APPARATUS INCLUDING HEIGHT ABOVE UNDERSTOOD GRADE, ELEVATION AND GRADE AND C LEVEL MATERIALS, COLOR SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING. SO FAR WE'VE ONLY CHECKED OFF THE MATERIALS. WE'VE REFERENCED COLOR FROM THE FROM R. UM, BUT THIS IS FOR EVERYTHING. SO WE NEED THE MATERIALS FOR EVERYTHING THAT IS AT AND T RELATED. OKAY. SO AT T RELATED, UH, MATERIALS ARE ALL LISTED ON [02:45:01] THE DRAWINGS. COULD YOU DO BETTER THAN THAT? COULD YOU TELL US WHERE ON THE DRAWINGS? UH, I'M LOOKING AT PAGE A OH ONE WHERE I'M, YOU SAID A LIKE APPLE OR WHAT? SO ON THE, ON THE, UH, TOP LEFT, THERE'S THE OPPOSITE HERE. THAT'S WHERE AT AND T'S EQUIPMENT OF THE ALPHA SECTOR IS. AND THEN ON THE TOP RIGHT SIDE THAT THE BETA IS, I'M ASKING FOR MATERIALS. WHERE IS THERE A LIST OF MATERIALS? I'M SORRY. SO THAT IS ON PAGE A OH THREE, THAT CHART. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE THEM FOR THE ANTENNAS. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR THE APARTMENTS? I CAN HAVE, UH, MAKE A NOTE TO ADD. SO YOU DON'T HAVE, OKAY, NOW SIGNAGE. YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT SIGNAGE? OH, UM, YES. IS THERE A VOICE SHOWING US WHERE IT WILL BE CREATED? UM, I HADN'T EVEN GOT THAT PART YET. OTHER THAN THAT, UH, A OH EIGHT, UM, THE SIZE OF THE SIGN FOR THE INFORMATION, BUT WE'RE NOT, THE FIRST THING FOR THE DRAWINGS HAS TO BE WHERE IT'S LOCATED. OH, OKAY. WHERE IS IT LOCATED ON THE DRAWINGS? UH, SO I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT. I CAN HAVE, WE WANT AN ARROW POINTING EXACTLY TO WHERE IT WILL BE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES. OKAY. ON YOUR DRAWINGS, YOU MUST WRITE EXISTING AND PROPOSED AT AND T ANTENNA. AS IT SAYS THE NAME AND THE NAME OF THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF EACH ANTENNA SHALL BE DELINEATED ON THE PLAN. SO FOR EACH ONE, ADD WHO OWNS IT FOR EQUIPMENT, FOR A FOOTPRINT FOR EVERYTHING. OKAY. NOW THAT'S INCOMPLETE. AND LET'S GO ON [02:50:01] TO THE THING YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT SIGNAGE THAT WOULD GO UNDER UNDER T. SURE. UH, OKAY. UH, SO T THAT ELIMINATES IT AS AN ALUMINUM PLATE SIGN, UH, WITH DATED ISSUANCE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UH, ON THE PAD DRAWING A O EIGHT, THEY ARE LABELED AS THEIR APPROXIMATE SIZE AND TIGHT ALUMINUM CONFLUENCE SIZE. UH, EXCEPT FOR THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT SIGN IS MISSING. SIZE AND DESCRIPTION. I'M ON A OH EIGHT. YEP. THE BOTTOM LEFT ONE SAYS INFORMATION, ALL THE REST OF THE SIGNS DICTATE THEIR HEIGHT AND SIZE. OKAY, GREAT CATCH. WE HAVE YOU BEING COMPLETE. COMPLETE. AND NOW WE'RE UP TO INSURANCE EXPENSES. THAT'S THE USUAL THING OF AS REQUIRED BY CONTRACT AND . DO YOU HAVE THAT AGAIN? WHAT'S THAT? IT HAS THAT AGAIN. YEAH, BUT HAS THE ADDRESS CORRECT. HAVE TO FIND IT. IT DOES HAVE THE LOCATION. IT IS GONE BY MEMORY. IT DOES HAVE THE LOCATION IN THE BOX. SO WE'RE GOOD IN THAT REGARD. FOR EXAMPLE, IT SAYS RE AND THEN IT HAS ITS SITE NUMBER AND THEN IT HAS MATT CALLIE TWO, WHICH IS THEIR SITE NAME. NAME. AND THEN IT HAS 5 25 EXECUTIVE THROUGH NEW YORK. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT NEEDS TO HAVE. UH, BUT THEN IT GOES ON AGAIN. IT TALKS ABOUT AS REQUIRED BY WRITTEN CONTRACT. AND THERE IS NO REQUIRED WRITTEN . IT'S THE TOWN CODE. AND IS THE INSURANCE, UH, THE PROPERTY INSURANCE FOR PROPERTY REPLACEMENT COST AGAINST ALL RISKS COMPLETED? I'M DONE WITH I THE INSURANCE EXPIRED. WHAT? YEAH, INSURANCE IS EXPIRED. A 23 20 26. YOU'D PROBABLY JUST HAVE TO GO AND GET THE OTHERS ARE AND IT'S FOR, THAT'S FOR GENERAL LIABILITY. THAT'S THE ONE WE CARE ABOUT THAT IT'S EXPIRED. OKAY. PUT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. YAY. A 2320. [02:55:10] SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THE UH, REPLACEMENT INSURANCE IS OKAY AND THE WORKMAN'S COMP IS OKAY WITH THE LIGHT MARK? UH, ONE INCOMPLETE, TWO COMPLETE. AND IN YOU MEAN INCOMPLETE HERE INSTEAD OF INCORRECT. OH, ONE. INCOMPLETE TWO COMPLETE. THE WORKER'S COMP WAS FINE. WORKMAN'S COMP YOU SAID, SORRY, LIKE ONE IN CHIP ONE YOU SAID WAS INCOMPLETE. DIDN'T BE A LONG DAY. YOU'RE NOT GONNA CRITICIZE MY HANDWRITING. NO . OKAY. I'M RULE THAT WE DE THE APPLICATION FOR 5 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD. INCOMPLETE. ALL IN FAVOR? I A THE PROCESS OF SEEING THAT I'VE INITIALLY COMPLETELY YOUR MONITOR. LOOK. OH, THOSE STICKERS, . WOW. UH, ACTUALLY NOT THAT BAD. YEAH, NO, THIS IS JUST ALSO I'VE SEEN YOUR ROAD STONES AT GLASS HOUSE OFF. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YEAH. OH, NO. COMPLETE. AND THEN THERE BEEN INITIAL TWO DOWN. [03:00:47] COMPLETE OR INCOMPLETE? COMPLETE OR NOT WHAT? INITIALS. INITIALS. THE INCOMPLETE, SADLY. YES, BUT . SORRY. ANYBODY IN THE HOUSE LEFT NIGHT? YEAH. ANY PROGRESS? SORRY. ANY PROGRESS ON? AND THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS IT'S REALLY GOOD FOR ME NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEN I JUST START TO UNDERSTOOD. WHAT IS THAT? IT SAID I DID THAT. I CROSSED IT OFF. IT'S A MISTAKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. HERE YOU GO. . I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. A FRIEND OF OURS. YEAH, I HAD NO IDEA. . THAT'LL GET YOU FROM HAVING A MEMORY YOU BY. OH, RECORDING. THIS IS RECORDING. SO YOU DON'T KNOW. LET THEM KNOW. OKAY. YEP. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. MEGAN LOOKS [03:05:01] MORE LIKE, BUT THE BEST PART IS, IS, HMM. THE BEST PART OF IT ALL IS RIGHT. IT'S LIKE THE . LOVES HIM. HE LOVES EVERYBODY. 'CAUSE LIKE, I THINK I'M GONNA TRY AND LEARN HOW TO GET HIM TRAINED AS A THERAPY DOG. HE, I I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE A BUT YOU KNOW, AND BIG, THE CARICATURE HE SEES AND I KNOW EXPECTING, EXPECTING SEE OF LIGHT. MM-HMM . SHE UM, DOES THIS THING AND I, THIS FANCY DOG, HE DANCES MIKE SO EXCITED YOU LEAVE. NO, HE DOWN IN THE BEDROOM FOR HOURS. YOU WANNA PASS IT TO STEEL, RIGHT? UH, YEAH. SORRY, GOTTA GO. UM, BUT , SO, UH, GROWING UP MY HOMETOWN THERE WAS JUST, I MEAN HE MUST HAVE BEEN 96, THIS LITTLE OLD LITTLE OLD GUY NAMED LARRY. AND UM, HE HAD, HIS MEMORY WAS SHOT SINCE THE AGE OF WHAT? 50. AND SO HE WOULD, UH, ONE DAY, UH, COULDN'T REMEMBER SOMETHING THAT WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, LARRY, IF SHE GRABBED HIS TIE AND A STAPLER WAS STABLED A POST-IT NOTE TO HIS TIE THERE. NOW YOU'LL REMEMBER IT. AND HE DID. AND SO FOR THE LAST HALF OF HIS LIFE, HE CARRIED POST-IT NOTES A PEN AND A MINI STAPLER ON HIM. AND HE WOULD, AND BY THE END OF THE DAY, HE'D HAVE A GIANT PLATE. GET IT. HE WOULD GO HOME. WHO WOULD HE KNOW WHICH ONE TO READ? YEAH, NO. SO HE WOULD GO HOME AT THE END OF THE NIGHT AND HE WOULD TAKE ALL OF THEM AND PUT 'EM AND ACTUALLY LIKE, PUT 'EM DOWN IN A NOTEBOOK. SO AS, AS BAD AS HIS MEMORY WAS, HE WAS THE SHARPEST 96-YEAR-OLD EVER. 'CAUSE HE WAS JUST LIKE, IF YOU TELL HIM ANYTHING, YOU'RE JUST LIKE, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON. OKAY, I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. YOU COULD DO INDEX CARDS. YOU DON'T NEED THIS. THE ADHESIVE ABOUT THEIR POST-IT . WELL PROCESS LOT PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH MEMORY, DON'T PROCESS IT. THEY CAN READ IT AND WRITE IT, BUT THEY CAN'T PROCESS. WELL WE, WE'D BE SITTING AT TEMPLE, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE, YOU KNOW, SHABBAT AND YOU'D, SOMEBODY WOULD SAY SOMETHING AND YOU LIKE HE WOULD HAVE A TIME, OH, I SHOULD WRITE THAT DOWN. JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF A TO HIS DOG, WHERE MY GRANDMOTHER WAS VERY CLOSE TO THE NIGHT OF HER LIFE. HER SISTER WAS COMING FROM AUSTRIA AND SHE WOULD SIT IN THE KITCHEN WHILE MY MOM COOKED AND SHE'D SAY EVERY FEW MINUTES. SO WHEN SOMETHING GOT COMING ZIZI AND UH, MY MOTHER FINALLY TOOK HER WHITE HANDBAG THAT SHE WOULD SIT AND SAY AND GO UP FRONT AND SHE WAS COMING. I DON'T KNOW THAT MY GRANDMOTHER KNEW TO LOOK. I WAS VERY LITTLE WHETHER MY GRANDMOTHER KNEW TO LOOK AT IT OR NOT. YEAH. THAT REMINDS ME OF MY SAY ANYTHING. NO, . LOOKS LIKE MY CAT GOT A HOLD OF YOU. ARE YOU SAID A CAT. OH, THERE YOU SAY HATE CATS. OH, NO, NO, NO. MY CAT'S, UH, RECENTLY PASSED PAST ALL THAT. PUT YOUR INITIALS WHERE IT SAYS EXPIRES, BUT YOU'RE IN, IT'S, IT'S A REASON. [03:10:01] YEAH, I KNOW IT. FAULT IT SHOULD. YOU DID A GREAT JOB RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. YOU GOT AN A FOR YOUR INITIALING. I NOW ONTO THE THIRD APPLICATION. AND I WILL SAY THAT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH THE ADDRESS OF THE APPLICATION. THIS WAS, THIS WAS SUBMITTED ON THE 25TH OF AUGUST, 2026. AND WE ARE REVIEWING IT ON THE 3RD OF SEPTEMBER, 2026, WHICH IS EIGHT DAYS LATER. AND WHY DID I SAY NINE DAYS THERE? OH, IT'S NINE DAYS BECAUSE THEY'RE 31 DAYS. OKAY. THE GROUP OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THERE ARE TWO MONOPOLES AT THIS SITE AND ONE IS AT FOUR 50. AND THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION OF WHY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THINKS THIS IS SO COMPLETELY WRONG AND ADDRESS THEY THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE, UM, . THESE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT WAS SHARED WAS FIRST OF ALL, UM, IT'S THAT, THAT THE ADDRESS IS ACTUALLY ZERO SAWMILL RIVER ROAD PARCEL 8.4 30 DASH 3 0 5 DASH 7.3. AND THEY SAY THAT, UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE, THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO MONOPOLES ON, ON THAT SITTING UP ABOVE THE SPRAIN. I CANNOT ATTEST TO THIS. I DO NOT KNOW FOR A FACT, BUT IT IS WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TOLD US THAT WAS THE INCORRECT ADDRESS. SO FROM JUMP WE NEED TO WRITE HERE. THIS ADDRESS MUST BE CHECKED. IT ALSO WILL THEN PUT IN QUESTION EVERY OTHER ANALYSIS, LIKE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS BECAUSE IF THIS IS THE WRONG SITE, THEN A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS FOR THE OTHER MONO WILL NOT BE EFFECTIVE. SO THE OTHER THING, THERE'S AN ISSUE ALSO WITH OWNERSHIP, UM, AND WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. SO JUST DOUBLE CHECKING. YOU SAID YOU, IT, YOU BELIEVE IT TO BE ZERO SALT? WELL THAT'S WHAT THE BUILDING WAS IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEY, AND THE REASON, AND IT HAD BEEN FOUR 60 AND THEN IT BECAME 4 56. AND SO THEY WOULD PUT AN AKA FOUR 60 IN PARENTHESES. THAT WAS A LOT OF, UH, THERE. AS I SAID, THERE'S TWO POLLS THERE. SO OH, THOSE ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT PLACES TOO. OH GOD. OKAY. YEAH. GOT IT. THEY'RE ACTUALLY NOT, THEY'RE BOTH IN THE SAME, UH, THIS IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND THEM TO BE SAYING. UH, AND AS THE PARCELS, SOME OF THE PARCELS CHANGED OVER TIME, AS AS, SO I'M NOT GONNA EXPLAIN IT, I JUST KNOW THAT THEY'RE SAYING OKAY, THAT THIS IS NOT FOUR 60 SAW MILL RIVER ROAD, BUT ZERO SAW MILL RIVER ROAD. UM, AND THAT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED AND CHECKED AND THEN THERE GET TO BE OTHER PROBLEMS WITH PARCEL IDENTIFICATION. EVEN IF IT WAS FOUR 60 IN THIS. SO I'M GOING TO WRITE IN BIG BLOCK LETTERS, CHECK ADDRESS AND PARCEL NUMBER THAT IT'D BE NOTED THAT IF IT WAS INDEED FOUR 60, IT WOULD ACTUALLY NOW BE 4 56. SO I'M NOT YEP. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I READ THIS INTO THE RECORD OF WHEN WE STARTED, IT GETS MORE DIFFICULT. SO IF WE LOOK AT A, AND IT SAYS CONSTRUCTION PLANS DATED JUNE 16TH, IT'S ACTUALLY EXHIBIT K, THEY'RE ACTUALLY DATED ACCORDING TO WHAT I SHOULD SEE DATED JUNE 15TH. [03:15:16] WE HAVE A MOUNT ANALYSIS REPORT FROM APRIL 10TH, 2024 ALSO. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS, THAT IS DEFINITELY A QUESTION. THE STAMP IS FROM JUNE 22, 26. AND AGAIN, IT QUESTION, IT BRINGS INTO QUESTION WHAT IS TOO OLD? UM, I, UM, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE TO WRITE. IF THE THE ADDRESS IS INCORRECT, THEN THE ENTIRE APPLICATION NEEDS TO BE REDONE BASED ON IT BEING A DIFFERENT POLL. UH, ANY SUGGESTIONS MR. SHEEN? CAN WE POSTPONE IT UNTIL THAT'S DETERMINED? THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE APPLICANT. I WOULD PREFER TO GO THROUGH THE APPLICATION IF THAT IS ALSO WELL THAT IF, IF INDEED THAT'S THE CASE, THEN EVERYTHING HERE AS WELL. UH, SO IT, I I BELIEVE THAT THIS MIGHT JUST THE ISSUE WITH THE ADDRESS, WHICH WE CAN CONFIRM. UM, BUT THE TOWER THAT WE'RE BUILD, UH, BUILDING ON IT, IT IS UH, CORRECT. SO, SO I'LL JUST CONFIRM WHICH TOWER IT IS ON THAT, UH, WHICH WILL AFFECT THE WHOLE ANALYSIS, RIGHT? BUT THE ANALYSIS OR ON THAT TOWER, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER THE ADDRESS SHOULD BE FOUR. BUT IF THE ADDRESS ON THE REPORT IT FOUR 60 AND IT'S ACTUALLY AT ZEROS ON OVER ROAD, THEN IT PUTS IN QUESTION THE ENTIRE ANALYSIS. OKAY? UH, SO I MAKE A MOTION, UH, IF YOU AGREE OTHERWISE THE SHOCK CLOCK CODES, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID. HE HAS TO AGREE OTHERWISE THE, THE SHOCK CLOCK KEEPS RUNNING 'CAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION AND GIVE . WE, WE HAVE LOOKED AT IT IF YOU WANT, I'M HAPPY TO TEAR THIS ONE APART TOO BECAUSE THE HOMEWORK THAT THEY DID ON CENTRAL AVENUE WAS NOT DONE ON THIS EITHER. SO LET IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAYING THAT IT COULD BE CONSIDERED ZERO OR IT COULD BE THEY TOLD, THEY WROTE THIS. I KNOW IN THE PUBLIC NOTICE WE THOUGHT IT COULD BE EITHER ONE, BUT, AND THEY SAID THE OWNERSHIP'S ALSO, WELL THE OWNER LIST IS INCORRECT. THE SUBMISSION HAS GROUND CASTLE AND THAT'S THE SECOND PART TO THE EIGHTH, RIGHT ABOUT IT, ABOUT THE ZERO SAW, NO RIVER ROAD. HOW DO YOU WANNA SPEND YOUR TIME? YOU WANNA RESOLVE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S ZERO, SOME MILL RIVER ROAD OR BY FOUR 60 SOME MILL RIVER ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S AN AMBIGUITY. WELL THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S SAYING ZERO, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S FOUR 60 AND THEY'RE ALSO GIVING A DIFFERENT PARCEL NUMBER. AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, THE LATITUDE, LATITUDE DON'T MATCH EVEN. SO I, I DON'T KNOW. BUT YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN THE LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE FROM AN ADDRESS VERSUS FROM ACTUALLY ME MEASURING IT A DIFFERENT WAY. SO, UH, YES. THEN CAN WE, UM, RECONVENE ON AT ANOTHER DAY ONCE I CONFIRM AND IF IT IS ZERO, THEN WE'LL SCRATCH THIS APPLICATION. I'LL PROBABLY DO IT AND SUBMIT EVERYTHING. IF IT'S FOUR 60 THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL COME BACK AND CONVENE AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUBMIT ANYTHING AGAIN UNTIL WE GO OVER IT. IT JUST SEEMS A BIT INSANE, ESPECIALLY IF THIS HOUR TO UNDERSTOOD AND YEAH. SO LET, LET'S JUST LET, LET'S JUST CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE AGREEING TO STOP THE F**K YES. APPLICANT [03:20:02] AGREES TO STOP THE F**K YOUR, I DON'T WANT YOU, I WANT YOU TO SEE IT TOO. LET HIM READ IT. I JUST WANT HIM TO SEE, OOPS, LOOK AT THAT. IT'S NEVER GOING BACK. IT NO, THEY LIKE MAPS. YOU USED HAVE OPTION IN THE CAR AND YOU HAD TO BE BOLD. THE MAPS OR JUST SET? I SAID THAT I CAN'T HEAR. LISTEN. OKAY, SO I, I DO LIKE THE SAME OWNER, UH, BUT I DON'T THE SAME OWNER ID WITH AND THERE'S A THIRD ONE THAT COMES UP IN THE APPLICATION. WHEN I WENT THROUGH THE APPLICATION, THERE'S A THIRD PARCEL ID THAT COMES UP. SORRY. SO, AND THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN INTERESTING SITE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY I THINK GOT FURTHER SUBDIVIDED AT ONE POINT. SO IT MADE IT EVEN MORE COMPLICATED. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T, I'M GOING ON WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SENT US AND THE FACT THAT SOME OF THIS, HOW SHOULD THIS BE HANDLED? THAT WAS MOSTLY WHERE ELSE SAY REFERENCES THE PARTIAL ID IT. OKAY, I CAN NOTES HERE. SO I SEE IT IN STUFF IN, SO I SEE IT ON, ON COVER PAGE. OKAY, ON ON F IT SAYS LOOK AT PARCEL AND ADDRESS IS WHAT I HAVE FOR THE AFFIDAVIT. UM, THEN I WOULD SAY YOUR ADDRESS OF LOCATION ALSO ID 0 4 60. OKAY, I SEE. AND I THINK THIS IS WHERE THEY ALSO WERE STARTING TO, THAT'S WHY SHE MENTIONED THE CROWN, RIGHT? SO CROWN IS, UM, LEMME GRAB MY HERE. SO, OKAY, I, I UNDERSTAND. SO I'LL CONFIRM CROWN ACTUALLY OWNS THE POLE CROWN, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF HOW IT'S IDENTIFIED. I SEE. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING THROUGH THE APPLICATION SO I DON'T WANT TO JUMP AHEAD OF THAT. BUT IT WAS VERY CONFUSING. AND THEN IT ALSO, THE ZONING COMPLIANCE FORM THEN BECOMES LIKE, HOW DOES THAT FIT IT? BECAUSE IT DOES COMPLY. BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE, OKAY, SO YOU WANTED ME TO TALK FROM ADDRESS OF LOCATION AND PARCEL? I DID AND OR SO IDENTIFICATION PICTURE NUMBER. SO SHOULD I BE STRIKING ANYTHING HERE OR YEAH, I WOULD DO A DIAGRAM ON EACH PAGE ON THE WHOLE AND THEN GET A INITIAL INITIAL EVERY TIME. YEAH. THE NAME, THE ADDRESS AND THE ON THIS. WELL YOU'RE PUTTING FOUR 60 ON THERE, BUT I'M SURE WELL THAT'S WHAT HE SUBMITTED AND I DIDN'T [03:25:01] KNOW THAT'S WHY YOU SEE ME CROSS. I I DIDN'T WANNA PUT THE 10 BUILDING DEPARTMENT ADDRESS ON IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T WHAT HE SUBMITTED. RIGHT. TECHNIC THIS IS THE APPLICATION 4 68. THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S HOW IT WAS IDENTIFIED AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS . I THINK YOU HAVE THE MARKETING THEN WHEN THEY SUBMIT IT BACK IN AGAIN, THAT WILL BE YES. SIT ON DOWN PLEASE. NEXT TIME SOMEBODY BRINGS DINNER , IT'S TOO LATE. BOB. I'VE LEARNED TO BEFORE THIS. OH, AND I'VE LEARNED TO EAT AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT. , IT'S TOO EARLY TO EAT BEFORE STICKS. IT DID, BUT I SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF I DO . SO I, I ACTUALLY GOT HERE AT FIVE AND I HAD PIZZA IN HERE WHILE I READ THE LAST ONE. OKAY, SO YOU WILL DO YOUR RESEARCH PARTICULARLY STARTING WITH THIS ONE SO THAT WE CAN GET IT BACK AND I'LL SEND YOU AN EMAIL AND MAYBE WHEN, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD'VE GONE FROM 4 56 TO FOUR SIX, YOU KNOW, FROM FOUR 60 TO 4 50, 6 TO 60 ZERO. SO ROAD, BUT HERE COPIES. I'M SORRY, WE HAVE TO DO THE COPIES. OH, SORRY. WELL THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO STOP THE CLOCK NOW. WE'RE GOING TO STOP RECORDING NOW SO THAT FRANCIS CAN TAKE THESE COPIES UPSTAIRS AND STAMP THEM AND I STILL HAVE THEM. 'CAUSE YOU REALLY NEED THE FIRST TWO, RIGHT? I ASK IF IT MAKES A NEW, UM, SEND SAME COPY. I DON'T WANNA STAY AT 30. I WANNA HEAR YOU GROANING FRANCE ALL GROAN. LET'S JUST MAKE SURE LAST TIME IT WASN'T EXTRA COUPLE OF DAYS AND RIGHT YOU FROM NO, I'M FROM NEW JERSEY. WE'RE RECORDING THE, THE PAUSING, THE RECORDING. PAUSING THE RECORDING. HERE ARE COPIES OF THE THREE APPLICATIONS. THANK YOU MR. HAN FOR GOING ALL THE WAY UPSTAIRS AND GETTING US THESE DOCUMENTS. YES. SO THIS IS MINE. THIS IS YOURS. THIS IS FOR THE ONE WHERE THE ADDRESSING IS IN QUESTION. THIS IS FOR CLEARBROOK. THIS IS MINE. IT IS FOR STEVE. THIS IS FOR EACH OF YOU. AND THIS IS 4 5 25 EXECUTIVE BOULEVARD. THIS IS MINE. THIS IS STEVE'S AND THIS IS EACH OF YOU AND THE ORIGINAL STATE UP IN THE BUILDING. CORRECT. AND THE ORIGINALS IN THE BUILDING. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADJOURN. I SECOND THAT. ALL IN FAVOR? HEY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE NOW IT'S NINE PASS OCEAN PASS AS SO PASS 9 52. YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK THIS IS A RECORD FOR LENGTH OF. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.