* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [ TOWN OF GREENBURGH HISTORIC LANDMARKS & PRESERVATION BOARD Tuesday, September 15, 2026 – 7:00 P.M.] [00:00:02] YES. CHAIRPERSON, OSHA HERE. MS. CURCIO ON ZOOM. YOU'RE MUTED HERE. MS. PURDY? HERE. MR. SIAH ON ZOOM HERE. MR. REBO. HERE. GREAT. SO WE HAVE AN IN-PERSON QUORUM WITH TWO, UH, TWO OF OUR MEMBERS ON ZOOM THIS EVENING. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE MINUTES? WE WILL IN HALF A SECOND. SO I DID LEAVE COPIES MM-HMM . IN THE, IN THE, ON THE TABLE THERE WHEN I FIRST READ 'EM. I DID NOT FIND ANYTHING. DID ANYBODY FIND ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS WE NEEDED TO MAKE? I DIDN'T SEE. SORRY. I DIDN'T FIND IT. AARON, YOU DO DO VERY GOOD MINUTES. I KNOW IT'S A, IT'S A BLESSING AND A CURSE , BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR BOARDS TO HAVE GOOD MINUTES BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S YOUR RECORD. AND, UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF IMPORTANT PROJECTS THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE THE BOARD, AND WE WILL HAVE MANY IN THE FUTURE. SO, HAVING GOOD MINUTES. I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. WE READY TO APPROVE? MM-HMM . ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPRO, UH, APPROVING THE MINUTES? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES? AYE. AYE. JUST FOR THE MINUTES PURPOSES, I'M SORRY. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? JUST FOR THE MINUTE, UH, FOR THE MINUTES AND RECORD KEEPING A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF AUGUST THE 11TH, 2026 WAS WRITTEN. I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. THANK YOU VOTES AYE. ALRIGHT. CORRESPONDENCE. I HAVE, UM, SO A LOT OF, OF, OF UNREADABLE NOTES UNDER CORRESPONDENCE ONLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT SOME THINGS. UM, MR. SCHMIDT, HELP ME HERE. DINA POLLY IS, ISN'T THAT WHERE THE LITTLE CEMETERY I'M IN LOVE WITH IS? YES. OKAY. AND NOTHING IS HAPPENING. IF I UNDERSTOOD THE PLANNING BOARD AGENDA CORRECTLY, NOTHING IS HAPPENING. SO THEY'VE RECEIVED PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL A WHILE BACK. OH, YES. UM, THEY NEED TO OBTAIN SIGN OFF FROM VARIOUS OFFICES AND AGENCIES BEFORE THEY CAN OBTAIN FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. MM-HMM . AND THEY HAVE, SINCE PRELIMINARY, THEY'VE, UM, BROUGHT ABOARD A DIFFERENT ENGINEER THAT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE TOWNS BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, UM, AS THEY ATTEMPT TO SECURE WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS, UM, A WILL SERVE LETTER, MEANING THAT THE TOWN WILL SERVE THEM WITH UTILITIES. OKAY. AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE WITH THIS PROJECT, BUT TO CUT TO THE CHASE, THEY ARE PROGRESSING WITH THAT, THOSE REVIEWS, AND ULTIMATELY THEY NEED THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH TO ENDORSE THE SUBDIVISION PLAT THAT THEY ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO TAKE PLACE, UH, FOLLOWING AN ADDITIONAL 180 DAY EXTENSION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD. WHO IS SET TO CONSIDER THAT TOMORROW EVENING? UM, IN CONNECTION WITH THE PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS THAT WERE IMPOSED, UH, BY THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE REQUEST OF THE HISTORIC BOARD AND ARE CONTAINED AND WOULD CARRY OVER INTO THE FINAL SUBDIVISION. YOU READ MY MIND BEAUTIFULLY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. SO THE CEMETERY AND THE CROSS ARE PROTECTED. THAT'S, YES. I, WHENEVER THEY DO, AND THERE'LL BE A RETAINING WALL TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UM, CEMETERY DOESN'T WASH INTO THE ROAD THEY'RE CONSIDERING COMING IN. I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S OFF SITE. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GOING TO, [00:05:01] IT'S OFF THERE, THE APPLICANT'S SITE. IT'S RIGHT. KIND OF TURNING THE CORNER FROM, UH, WHAT'S THAT WHITE HOUSE TO NINE A MM-HMM . SO WE CAN CHECK INTO THAT. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REQUIRED UPON THE APPLICANT, BUT I DO KNOW THE WALL THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO BECAUSE RIGHT OFF THE ROAD, IT, IT, IT, IT RISES. IT'S A SHARE DROP AND THAT, THAT, THAT STONE WALL, IT'S A DRY STONE WALL. REALLY. IT'S NOT EVEN, I WOULDN'T EVEN CALL IT A DRY STACK WALL. IT'S KIND OF LIKE STONES ALMOST PLACED INTO THE HILLSIDE, SO TO SPEAK, TO, OR TO THE SLOPE TO KEEP IT, UM, ERECT. RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, 1 0 8 ARDSLEY ROAD, WHICH WE GOT A PACKET THEREOF. IT'S, WELL, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE, UM, PROBABLY JUST BECAUSE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PICTURES. WE DON'T HAVE A CHAIN OF TITLE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY HISTORY. AND, UM, I THINK WE NEED THAT BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN COME BEFORE US, MR. SCHMIDT. OKAY. SO THIS WAS ONE THAT, UM, FOR THOSE THAT MAY NOT RECALL, THERE'S A KIND OF PROCESS THAT THE COMMISSIONER AND MYSELF HAVE DISCUSSED AND, AND MET WITH CHAIR PERSON, OSHA AND VICE CHAIR CURCIO IN THE PAST ON PROJECTS THAT WHILE THE STRUCTURE MADE DATE BACK BEYOND THE 50 YEAR PERIOD, THE EITHER THE PROPOSED WORK IS, UH, VERY SMALL IN SCOPE OR, UH, IS NOT, AND OR IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD. UM, AND WE MEET WITH THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO ALERT THEM OF THE PROPOSAL AND SEE IF THERE CAN BE, YOU KNOW, AN EXPEDITED REVIEW. SO WE DID THAT WITH CHAIRPERSON OSHA. IT IS A, UM, AN ENCLOSURE OF AN EXISTING PORCH. AND, UM, THE HOUSE IS NOT VISIBLE WHATSOEVER FROM ARDSLEY ROAD. SO WE FELT THAT IT MAY QUALIFY FOR ONE OF THESE EXPEDITED REVIEWS WHERE THE CHAIR AND OR VICE CHAIR JUST REPORT TO THE BOARD THAT THIS WAS REVIEWED AND DEEMED, UM, THAT IT COULD PASS ALONG INTO THE NEXT PHASE. WHAT CHAIRPERSON OCHE INDICATED TO ME IS THAT WHILE IT MAY QUALIFY FOR THE EXPEDITED REVIEW, THE BOARD REALLY TOWN STAFF AND MY OFFICE SHOULD BE IN RECEIPT OF ALL THE REGULAR INFORMATION THAT THE BOARD WOULD RECEIVE NORMALLY, INCLUDING THE CHAIN OF TITLE APPROPRIATELY, UH, APPROPRIATELY SUBMITTED AND LABELED PHOTOGRAPHS, THE QUESTIONNAIRE FORM COMPLETED IN FULL THE PROPERTY CARDS AND ANY RESEARCH ON HISTORY OF THE SITE. SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE RELAYED BACK TO THOSE FOLKS, THAT WE NEED THAT FULL SUBMISSION RECEIVED BY STAFF AND VERIFIED AS COMPLETE BY STAFF. AND IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE BOARD, THEN STAFF WOULD GENERATE THE TYPICAL LETTER THAT THE BOARD TRANSMITS TO APPLICANTS, UH, MOVING THROUGH THAT ARE NOT BEING PROPOSED FOR NOMINATION. ONCE I DO THAT, I CAN SEND A DRAFT ALONG TO THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR REVIEW PRIOR TO TRANSMISSION TO, UH, THE APPLICANTS, IF THAT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT ON IT? NO, THAT WORKS FOR ME. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE. YEAH. AS LONG AS WE HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK, ONCE WE GET, ONCE WE GET EVERYTHING, ALL THE PAPERWORK, UM, IF WE WANT TO, WE CAN TAKE A DRIVE UP. BUT I WILL TELL YOU IT GOES STRAIGHT UP LIKE THAT. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN TO LEY ROAD AND IF YOU'RE, AND YOU CAN ONLY MAKE A RIGHT AND IT'S BLIND. SO , I'D RATHER DO PICTURES. THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT'S ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THAT 1901 THAT WANTS TO DO THE BARN REHAB. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. YES. OKAY. YES, IT IS. IT IT IS. I'M SORRY. IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. SO IT'S ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET? NO, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET, WHICH, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. THERE'S NOTHING ON THE STREET FROM THE, UM, OH, SO THERE'S TWO FROM, I CALL IT THE DUNKEL HOUSE, THE YELLOW HOUSE, THE, THE CLEMMER HOUSE. SO THERE, THERE WERE TWO PROJECTS RECENTLY ALONG LEY ROAD. THERE WAS THE ONE THAT CARL AND I IN ARMENIA. RIGHT, RIGHT. MAYBE WENT UP TO THAT, HAD THE, UH, THE HOOK ON THE FRONT OF THE GARAGE AND HE WAS CONVERTING IT INTO A POOL HOUSE. IT'S, [00:10:01] UH, IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THAT. SO IT HAS A SIMILAR, MUCH LIKE THAT DRIVEWAY CUT THROUGH ROCK, AND THEN IT WAS ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK. UM, THIS ONE CUTS THROUGH SOME ROCK, BUT THEN RISES UP AND IS HEAVILY WOODED. SO IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM ARDSLEY ROAD. OKAY. IT'S REALLY AN OLD FARMHOUSE. THE QUESTION IS WHAT YEAR? MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, I BELIEVE SO. WE'LL GET, AGAIN, WE'LL OBTAIN ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION. I BELIEVE WE LOOKED IT UP AND IT WAS FROM THE 1920S, BUT, BUT I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. OKAY. THERE'S ONE OTHER ITEM AND IT IS CORRESPONDENCE. 'CAUSE I RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE GENTLEMAN, A GENTLEMAN IN SCARSDALE, UM, BY THE NAME OF PETER BLEIER. I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU SAY IT. UM, HE MADE SOMEWHERE FOR, I THINK HE PRONOUNCES IT BLAIR. PARDON ME? I THINK HE PRONOUNCES HIS NAME. BLAIR. OKAY. DO YOU KNOW HIM? HE'S ON THE ZONING BOARD. YES, HE IS AGREED. HE MADE MENTION OF SOMETHING CALLED, UM, THE EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY. I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. UM, I, OH, I INVITED HIM TO CALL ME OR EMAIL ME IF HE WANTED TO DIS TO DISCUSS HISTORY. UM, HE WANTS TO PUT A BANNER UP AT ARDSLEY AND OLD ARMY ROAD, IF YOU'RE FACING OLD ARMY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHICH COMMEMORATES OLD ARMY ROAD AS BEING THE ROAD THAT THE CONTINENTAL ARMY TRAVELED TO THE BATTLE OF WHITE PLAINS. AND IT LOOKS AS FAR, I, FROM WHAT I COULD SEE IN THE PICTURES, IT WAS NON-THREATENING. I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WOULD HURT THE SIGHT LINES. THAT IS SOMETHING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN GET INVOLVED IN. UM, I, IT, IT'S GOT AT THE BOTTOM, IT'S GOT EDGEMONT HISTORIC SOCIETY. I THINK IT MIGHT BE, UM, MORE POLITE NOT TO PUT THAT THERE SINCE I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE, AND I SHOULD, I GUESS. BUT THEY DON'T EXIST AS FAR. UH, LOUISE CLARK WAS THE EDGEMONT HISTORIAN, AND THEN SHE BECAME THE TOWN HISTORIAN. THAT'S AS FAR AS I CAN GO ON, ON, ON ANY HUMAN REPRESENTING HISTORY. UM, DO YOU HAVE PICTURES OF THAT, THAT HE SENT US THAT YOU COULD SHOW EVERYBODY TO SEE HOW THEY FELT? YES. SO I WAS JUST ABOUT, I WAS JUST LOOKING UP THE EMAIL TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT UP A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL HISTORY. I DID SPEAK WITH MR. BLAIR THIS EVENING, AND HE APOLOGIZED THAT HE WAS ALREADY DOUBLE BOOKED FOR SEVEN, SEVEN O'CLOCK, UM, THIS EVENING. SO I TOLD HIM THAT AND, AND HE HAPPENED TO SEE THE, UH, CHAIRPERSON OSHA'S EMAIL RESPONSE. SO, UM, WHAT HE DID INDICATE TO ME OVER THE PHONE THAT HE THOUGHT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THIS BOARD IS THAT, SO THIS IS THE INFORMATION OR THE LOOK OF THE BANNER, AND THEN THE BANNER IS ACTUALLY KIND OF LIKE TWO-SIDED AND ANGULAR. AND HE WOULD BE PURCHASING, UH, IT WITH HIS OWN FUNDS. NO TAXPAYER FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. NO REQUEST FOR FUNDS THROUGH THE TOWN. UM, IT WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY ADJACENT TO THE COTSWOLD PARK. UM, AS CHAIRPERSON OSHA MENTIONED, SORT OF AT THE CORNER OF, UM, OLD ARMY ROAD, THAT FIVE-WAY INTERSECTION AT ARDSLEY ROAD, OLD ARMY KEMPSTER, THERE'S A LITTLE PARK THERE THAT'S KIND OF DOWN, IT'S NESTLED DOWN BELOW OFF THE ROAD. SO IF YOU WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, UM, BUT THIS WOULD BE THE, THE STYLE. AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE, THE ACTUAL TWO BANNERS THAT, THAT GO INTO THIS. OKAY. IT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY BANNER. YES, IT WOULD BE TEMPORARY. HE'S SEEKING TO, UH, I BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO BE ON WITH THE TOWN BOARD NEXT WEEK. NEXT WEEK. SO STAFF BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO, UM, BRING THIS UP WITH H AND LPB TO SEE IF IT WAS SUPPORTIVE OR HAD ANY COMMENTS THAT COULD GO BACK TO, UM, MR. BLAIR AS WELL AS THE TOWN BOARD. AND IT WOULD BE FROM, ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY FOR A FOUR TO SIX WEEK PERIOD. I BELIEVE HE'D LIKE TO GET IT IN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, AND THEN HAVE IT IN THROUGH MAYBE THE BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER. [00:15:01] AND THAT'S, AND THEN IT WOULD BE BACK, BACK THEN, THEY WERE ALL ON FOOT. THERE WAS NO CARS OR TRUCKS. SO IT TOOK THEM THAT LONG TO MAKE IT THROUGH GREENBERG . WELL, ONE OF THE INTERESTING PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT HE RELAYED TO ME IS THAT ACCORDING TO HIS RESEARCH, AND HE DOES LOVE HISTORIC RESEARCH, PARTICULARLY LOCAL HISTORY. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE FOR CHAIRPERSON O'SHEA AND, AND MR. BLAIR TO, TO SPEAK, UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, THE, UH, THERE'S CONTEMPLATION OF, UM, REQUESTING CERTAIN AMENDMENTS TO, UH, THE HISTORIC LEGISLATION TO INCLUDE, UM, AN ALTERNATE MEMBER AMONGST OTHER THINGS. AND PERHAPS HE, HE MAY BE A WORTHY CANDIDATE AND, AND POSSIBLY INTERESTED, WHO KNOWS. UM, WITH THAT SAID, WHAT HE RELAYED TO ME IS THAT THE MARCH ALONG, UH, OLD ARMY ROAD, ACCORDING TO HIS RESEARCH, WAS ESSENTIALLY WASHINGTON AND THE TROOPS, UM, WERE BEING CHASED BY THE BRITISH FROM MANHATTAN. AND THE AMERICAN TROOPS WERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BRONX RIVER, AND THE BRITISH TROOPS WERE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BRONX RIVER, AND THEY WERE BEING PURSUED AND ULTIMATELY MARCHED ALONG OLD ARMY ROAD, WHICH WAS IN, AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN, BUT IT WAS RENAMED, IT WASN'T ORIGINALLY OLD ARMY ROAD, UH, WAS IT TUCKAHOE, OR I FORGET THE FORMER NAME, BUT IT WAS RENAMED TO OLD ARMY ROAD TO RECOGNIZE THIS MARCH AND BASICALLY ESCAPE, UM, FROM THE BRITISH. SO THEY UTILIZED THIS PA IT WASN'T JUST THAT THEY MARCHED ALONG THIS SECTION, IT WAS ACTUALLY, THEY WERE BEING PURSUED AND, AND ESCAPED. AND IF THEY WERE CAUGHT, UM, AND CORNERED BECAUSE THEIR, THEIR ARMY WAS OUTNUMBERED THREE TO ONE BY THE BRITISH, ACCORDING TO RESEARCH, THEY VERY LIKELY COULD HAVE LOST THAT BATTLE, AND PERHAPS THAT WOULD'VE ENDED THE WAR. LUCKILY, THAT DIDN'T TAKE PLACE. SO, UM, IT, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE TRAIL THAT WASHINGTON AND THE TROOP TROOPS TOOK. SO, YOU KNOW, ON THAT CORNER WHERE THE BIG CWA ROCK IS YEAH. YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING? YES. UH, NO, Y IN, UM, NOT, I BELIEVE THE COTSWOLD ROCK IS INTERIOR AND OFF FARSLEY ROAD. THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE, AND I THINK, THINK I, UM, I THINK I HAVE ANOTHER EMAIL THAT SHOWS THE, UH, LOCATION. SO LET ME STOP SHARE THERE. I, LET ME JUST GO, I THINK MY, THE ONE COMMENT I HEARD IS THAT SINCE THE BOARD'S NOT COMPLETELY FAMILIAR WITH, UM, WHAT'S BEING REFERRED TO ON THE BANNER AS THE EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY, A THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. DOES AN EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY EXIST? AND IF SO, WHO'S INVOLVED WITH IT? BECAUSE IT'S NEWS TO THE BOARD AND NEWS TO ME. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO JUST MAYBE PUT TOWN OF GREENBURG OR SOME ALTERNATE LANGUAGE? MAKES SENSE? WELL, WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS YOU, THE, THE WORD, THE WORD HERE IS SO BIG. OUR TROOPS MARCHED HERE. WHY CAN'T IT SAY OUR TROOPS MARCHED OLD ARMY ROAD? YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT, THAT THAT'S THE EMPHASIS THAT YOU REALLY WANT. THAT IT WAS OLD ARMY ROAD. WELL, EXCEPT THERE WAS AN OLD ARMY ROAD BACK THEN. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS TUCKAHOE SOMETHING BECAUSE YEAH, THERE'S REFERENCE IN ONE OF LOUISE CLARK'S BOOKS TO, OR ONE OF THE BOOKS THAT SHE SHOWED ME AT ONE POINT IN RELATION TO THREE 50 IS THAT THEY CAME UP, WELL, FROM A QUARRY IN TUCKAHOE UP, I GUESS OLD ARMY ROAD OR WHATEVER IT WAS CALLED THEN. THAT'S WHY THREE 50 IS SO IMPORTANT, BECAUSE INITIALLY IT WAS THE TAVERN WHERE EVERYBODY IN THE ARMY QUENCHED THEIR THIRST. THEN, IF I AM CORRECT, THEY CROSSED CENTRAL AVENUE AND MET UP WITH THE FRENCH TROOPS THAT WERE BIV WHACKED ON SUNNINGDALE GOLF COURSE. AND IF YOU GO CATTY CORNER FROM FORT HILL, FROM UNDERHILL ROAD ACROSS SUNNINGDALE, YOU CAN GET TO ODELL AND THE SMITH HOUSE, WHICH WE KNOW ISN'T THERE ANYMORE, WHERE RO AMBOS TRANSLATOR LIVED. RIGHT. SO THAT IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A, A, A CIRCUIT [00:20:02] CIRCUITOUS, UM, JOURNEY. BUT THAT'S WHAT IT'S KNOWN FOR. RIGHT. I, I WANTED TO ADD A COUPLE THANK YOU TOO. WHEN, WHEN IT'S, OH, I'M SORRY. NO, NO, NOT AT ALL. SO JUST, UM, IS EVERYONE SEEING THE LITTLE MAP THAT I HAVE UP? NOT REALLY. OH, YOU CAN'T, YOU SCROLL, YEAH, YOU HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE. IS THAT ANY BETTER? NO, NOTHING MOVES. OH, LET ME, LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST GET THIS UP PROPERLY. SORRY. I'M WEARING MY DISTANCE GLASSES AND I STILL CAN'T SING. SO I WAS GONNA SAY THAT THAT LITTLE PARK, I THINK IS CALLED KELLY PARK, AND THAT THE COTSWOLD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS EVENTS THERE PERIODICALLY. MM-HMM . SO I'M WONDERING IF THEY WOULDN'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN INCURSION BEING MADE ON THEIR, WHERE THEY HAVE EVENTS AND WHERE THEY MIGHT ADVERTISE THE EVENTS. UM, THEY'VE RECENTLY HAD THE COTSWOLD THE ANNIVERSARY. RIGHT. UH, THERE, WHY, WHY WOULDN'T WHERE THE COWA ROCK IS, WHY WOULDN'T THAT BE AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO PUT IT? THAT WOULD BE BETTER SINCE IT'S, IT, IT WILL BE SEEN BY EVERYBODY. SO THE ROCK, I BELIEVE, IS CLOSER TO THIS INTERSECTION, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, DARREN. THAT'S WHERE IT'S, I, I, I BELIEVE. RIGHT. SO I, I I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE BOARD IN ITS THOUGHTS. UM, I WOULD HAVE TO ASK MR. BLAIR WHY HE THOUGHT THIS MIGHT BE, OR THIS WAS HIS DESIRED LOCATION. UM, I CAN ONLY GUESS, BUT IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE DAILY TRAVELERS ALONG ARDSLEY ROAD THAN THERE ARE COMING UP FROM OLD ARMY. AND IF IT WAS POSITIONED OVER IN THIS AREA, IT COULD BE MISSED BY THE PEOPLE. WELL, CERTAINLY THE PEOPLE TRAVELING ALONG ARDSLEY ROAD TOWARDS SCARSDALE MIGHT NOT, WOULD LIKELY NOT SEE IT. WE COULD MISS IT THOUGH. I'M SORRY. IF THEY PUT IT IN THAT, IF THEY PUT IT IN WHAT WE CALL COWA PARK, HOW COULD THEY, UM, MISS IT? IT WOULDN'T BE IN THE PARK, SO TO SPEAK. IT WOULD REALLY, IN MY GARRETT LABELED THIS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE THE PARK IS SET AT A LOWER ELEVATION. RIGHT. YOU ACTUALLY RIGHT. IT WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, UM, AT ROAD LEVEL. SO ESSENTIALLY ABOVE THE PARK, NOT DOWN IN THE PARK. I THINK I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH CARL. I STILL THINK, UM, IT PAYS TO INFORM OR QUESTION OR SOMETHING CO THE COTSWOLD ASSOCIATION IF ONE EXISTS. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT DOES. UM, I, I THINK, I THINK BECAUSE IF YOU'RE SHOWING IT AS A TWO-SIDED BANNER MM-HMM . AND YOU'RE COMING UP SAL AND KEMPSTER, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE GONNA TURN, A DRIVER'S GONNA WANT TO TURN AROUND TO SEE WHAT IT SAYS IT SHOULD BE MAYBE FOUR A SQUARE PUT THERE. SO YOU SEE IT FROM EVERY ANGLE WITHOUT HAVING TO TURN YOU, IT'S A BUSY CORNER. IT IS A BUSY CORNER. YOU DON'T NEED PEOPLE SLOWING DOWN READING A SIGN. RIGHT. AND THAT MAY BE WHY, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE SIGN, YOU KNOW, HERE IS IN BIG LETTERS IF YOU STARTED TO PUT OLD ARMY ROAD YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT COULD GET TRICKY AND THE, AND THE, THE FONT MIGHT HAVE TO BE REDUCED AND THEN IT'S LESS VISIBLE YEAH. TO THOSE DRIVING BY ANYWAY. SO IF THERE'S A YEAH, I, I THINK A FOUR SIDE, BECAUSE RIGHT THERE, IF IT'S TWO SIDED, YOU'RE REALLY GONNA SEE IT ONLY FROM MARLEY ROAD AND, AND OLD ARMY ROAD AS YOU'RE PASSING OLD ARMY ROAD. SO I GUESS THAT, THAT'S DOABLE. COULD HAVE USED HIM HERE TONIGHT. YES. YEAH. AND, AND HE IS PAYING FOR IT OUT OF HIS OWN FUNDS. I, AARON SAID THAT HE, OH, HE HAD TWO OTHER PLACES TO GO HERE TO COUNTRY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT, GREAT, I'M LOOKING AT HIS, UH, HIS EMAIL SAYS THAT OLD ARMY ROAD CAME INTO EXISTENCE IN 1925 WHEN THE RESIDENTS OF GREENBURG MARKED THE IMPORTANCE OF THE, THE BATTLE OF WHITE PLAINS. I GUESS BY RENAMING THE ROAD, THEY MARCHED ONTO OLD ARMY ROAD. HE DOESN'T SAY WHAT THE ROAD WAS ORIGINALLY NAMED. I THINK IT WAS TUCKAHOE SOMETHING. I'VE SEEN OLD MAPS WHEN WE DID THE 1 95 OLD ARMY, THAT BARN, ONE OF THE, SOME OF THE RESEARCH WE UNCOVERED HAD THE NAME, THE ORIGINAL NAME OF THE ROAD, AND IT SAID THAT IT WAS RENAMED TOO. IF WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, IT'S ON THERE. I DON'T REMEMBER RIGHT WHERE EXACTLY, AARON, I, RIGHT. I, I, I REALLY NEED TO A HOLD OF THIS GENTLEMAN AND, UM, 'CAUSE THERE ARE A LOT [00:25:01] OF QUESTIONS FLOATING AROUND HERE, AND TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US, UM, WELL, I, I, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. IT'S, WE DO ALL SET. THANK YOU. YES. IT'S WHAT THE WORDING IS AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED IS WE NEED A FIRMER, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT TAKE PEOPLE GOING OUT ON, ON THE FOOT AND LOOKING AT IT. I AGREE. YEAH. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. THE CONCEPT IS GREAT. ALL THE PUBLICITY FOR, UM, THE TOWN WE CAN GET IS FINE. I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT, UM, THE MONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY DID RING A BELL. I COULDN'T PLACE IT, BUT WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, I SAW IT ADVERTISED AND, UM, I JUST GOOGLED THAT IT DOES EXIST. IT'S, I THINK IN DILLON PINES BASEMENT. IT'S PART OF THE ECC, IT'S PART OF THE EDGEMONT COMMUNITY COUNCIL. AND THEY, THEY, UH, SPONSORED TOURS. I TOOK ONE A YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO OF, OF, UH, THE DEL MAGNI PROPERTY IN THE CEMETERY. OH, OKAY. UM, SO IF YOU LOOK, IF YOU GOOGLE IT, YOU'LL SEE IT RIGHT HERE. EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY PRESENTS, AND THIS IS FROM MAY OF 2025, AND IT'S SPONSORED BY ECC, SO I THINK IT'S IN DYLAN'S BASEMENT. UM, AND SO PERHAPS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH BRINGING THEM INTO THE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D WANT TO CALL IT A CONVERSATION, BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. UM, I THINK HE HAS TO GO THROUGH THEM TOO, RIGHT? PROBABLY. WELL, HE'S GOING, HE'S GOING TO THE TOWN BOARD. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN WAIT UNTIL YOUR NEXT MEETING. NO, HE CAN'T. HE CAN'T. HE CAN'T. UM, BUT THE OTHER THING I WAS GONNA SAY IS I WAS WALKING ON THE, UM, AQUEDUCT TRAIL IN IRVINGTON, I THINK TWO WEEKENDS AGO, THREE WEEKENDS AGO. AND THEY HAD THESE TERRIFIC MARKERS ALL ALONG THE TRAIL, WHICH THEY'VE SINCE REMOVED, UM, POSTING SPECIFIC, UM, LANDMARKS OF, OF THE TOWN AND THE YEAR THEY HAPPENED IN, AND THEY HAD A QR CODE. THERE WAS ONE LIKE MAYBE EVERY A HUNDRED FEET ON THE TRAIL. AND, UM, IT WAS A, A LITTLE KIND OF POSTER ON TWO, LIKE, YOU KNOW, METAL PRONGS WITH A YEAR, A LITTLE TAGLINE, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, SHORT BUT PITHY AND A, AND A QR CODE, WHICH TOOK YOU TO A LARGER SOMETHING OR OTHER. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY FASCINATING. IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE. UM, SO I, WE CAN TRY THAT. WE CAN BRING THAT UP IF . DO YOU KNOW WHO SPONSORED THAT IDEA? BUT I I FIGURED THAT WE WOULD'VE HEARD ABOUT IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT WAS IRVINGTON. UNLESS THAT IS THAT, IS THAT STATE PROPERTY? THAT'S STATE PROPERTY, RIGHT? THE AQUEDUCT TRAIL OR YEAH. OR FEDERAL. IT IS. UM, BUT I KNOW I MAY HAVE EVEN SEEN SOMETHING. I LIVE IN IRVINGTON, SO I'M SURE I GOT SOME SORT OF BLURB FROM THE, THE VILLAGE MAYOR ABOUT THE INSTALLATION. SO I CAN CHECK MY EMAILS OR EVEN REACH OUT TO HER DIRECTLY. 'CAUSE I HAPPEN TO KNOW HER. IT WAS SHORT LIVED, BUT IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPACTFUL. IT MAY HAVE BEEN SPONSORED BY THE VILLAGE OF IRVINGTON HISTORICAL SOCIETY. SO I CAN, I CAN FIND OUT. UM, YOU KNOW, HE IS JUST BECAUSE OF HIS LOVE FOR LOCAL HISTORY HAS KIND OF THOUGHT OF THIS AND SPEARHEADING IT COMPLETELY ON HIS OWN. I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S GREAT. I'M ALL FOR THIS. WE JUST HAVE TO GET QUESTIONS ANSWERED. ALL RIGHT. SO LET ME SUGGEST THAT YOU TALK TO AARON. AARON CAN CONVEY ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE TO HIM, LIKE WITHIN DAYS. YES. THIS WEEK, BECAUSE HE'S MEETING WITH THE TOWN BOARD NEXT WEEK ON TUESDAY. MM-HMM . RIGHT. SO I'D LIKE TO PUT, I CAN PUT AN EMAIL TOGETHER, UM, INDICATING THAT, YOU KNOW, IN CONCEPT THE BOARD IS SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, THIS REQUEST AND HAS THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS. SO LET'S JUST LIST THOSE OUT QUICKLY. I, I HAVE NOTES, BUT, UM, SINCE THE EDGEMONT ARMENIA, I THINK ARMENIA WAS OKAY WITH THE TWO. ULTIMATELY SHE WAS OKAY WITH THE TWO SIDED. OKAY. UM, IN TERMS OF THE EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY QUESTION BEING THAT IT DOES EXIST, I THINK THE QUESTION IS, HAS MR. BLAIR COMMUNICATED WITH THE EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY? AND, YOU KNOW, IS IT'S, YOU TELL ME. BUT, UM, DO WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, TOWN OF GREENBURG YES. IN THERE? YES. WELL, THE QUESTION IS THAT THE, HAVE THE BANNERS ALREADY BEEN FABRICATED? IT LOOKED, I MEAN, [00:30:01] I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE GOT THE PHOTOGRAPH FROM COURTNEY. WELL, THAT MAY BE THE PROOF. THAT MAY BE THE PROOF, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN BE DONE LITERALLY OVERNIGHT. AARON, UM, RIGHT. TAKEN FROM TAKE IT FROM THE GRANDMOTHER OF GOATS. I PROMISE YOU IT CAN BE DONE OVERNIGHT. . OH YEAH. THERE'S A PLACE, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU THOUGH. WHEN YOU ARE, WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING ON 22 AND YOU PASS WAYSIDE COTTAGE MM-HMM . IS THAT A SIGN THAT SAYS EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY? NO, SCARSDALE. SCARSDALE. OKAY. RIGHT. BUT I KIND OF DID WANT TO DOUBLE STAMP ARMENIA'S FIRST COMMENT, WHICH IS THE PROS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT, WHAT THE SIGN ACTUALLY SAYS MAYBE COULD BE DIFFERENT. 'CAUSE YOU MADE A VERY GOOD POINT, ARMENIA, THAT MAYBE THE WORDING SHOULD BE CHANGED TO MAKE IT MORE KIND OF MORE RELEVANT TO THE IMMEDIATE AREA. 'CAUSE YOU SAID THE WORD HERE IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS. RIGHT? THE LARGEST WORD IT SEEMS, WELL I ASSUME HERE REFERS TO THERE RIGHT WHERE THE SIGN IS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T PUT TOO MUCH ON THESE. THEY DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THEY WERE GONNA BE THAT BIG. NO, YOU CAN'T. NO, THEY'RE NOT THAT LARGE. IT WOULD BE MY CONSIDERED OPINION THAT THE EDGE, THAT THE EDGEMONT, HISTORIC HISTORICAL SOCIETY NOT BE ON THAT SIGN. IF YOU WANT IT APPROVED. I DOESN'T HAVE TO SAY US EITHER. I DON'T CARE IF IT REALLY DOESN'T. IT JUST SHOULD SAY TOWN OF GREENBERG OR GREENBERG NEW YORK OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE IT'S GOING TO GET THROUGH WITH THE WORD EDGEMONT ON IT, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT GET THROUGH. OKAY. SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A COMMENT OR SOME FEEDBACK I SHOULD SAY. RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA LAY ALL THAT OUT, BUT I I CAN, I CAN WORD IT IN SUCH A WAY. ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, I'D LIKE, I'D, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA BE. YEAH. IN, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, UM, THE RIGHT OF WAY. I, I DON'T KNOW. I, I, I DON'T, SO MAYBE WHAT HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO, OR WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK OUT WITH HIM, IS MAYBE TAKING LIKE A, A STREET VIEW IMAGE AND THEN KIND OF SIMULATING IT IN THERE SO THAT YOU GET A SENSE OF THE LOCATION. CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, TOWN STAFF AS WELL. ALL OF US DO NOT WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, ANY SITE DISTANCE ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S ALL GONNA BE WELL REVIEWED, RIGHT. BY TRAFFIC AND SAFETY, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THERE. UM, BUT IF WE CAN GET A ROUGH KIND OF SIMULATED VERSION INTO MAYBE A STREET VIEW, UH, TOMORROW, WE, I CAN SHARE THAT WITH EVERYBODY. OKAY. IT WORKS. MM-HMM . UM, SO I'M JUST WRITING THE NOTE. SO THIS IS THE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR OTHERWISE I WAS GONNA ASK THE BOARD IF IT SIX WEEKS OR FIVE WEEKS. THE ONLY QUESTION IS HE HAS THE DATES 21 TO 26TH. DOES HE HOPE TO PUT IT UP FOR THE ENTIRE MONTH OF OCTOBER? HE DOES. OKAY. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S THE EARLY, THE ENTIRE MONTH, BUT I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT EMAIL WELL, OR THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF EMAILS, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ONE SAID THE DESIRED TIMEFRAME. OH, YEAH, LET'S CLARIFY. THE DISPLAY WOULD BE UP FROM, IDEALLY FROM EARLY OCTOBER THROUGH LATE OCTOBER. OKAY. SO, SO FOR THE BETTER PART OF THE MONTH, I, I WOULD JUST HESITATE TO INSERT THIS BOARD INTO A LEGAL SLASH POLITICAL QUESTION ISSUE AS TO WHO'S TAKING CREDIT FOR THE BANNER. DON'T WANT CREDIT, BUT I DON'T THINK EDGEMONT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHO WE'RE DEALING WITH AND, AND AARON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. YES. UH, I DON'T KNOW. HAVE YOU HEARD ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE TOWN BOARD? I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY'RE GENERALLY FAVORABLE. THAT IS MY IMPRESSION AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SEEN STATED, I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT THERE, RIGHT? MAYBE I MISSED THIS, BUT WHY IS HE INVOKING THE EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY? DO WE THINK HE'S ALREADY BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THEM? [00:35:01] I WOULD THINK HE WAS. RIGHT? BECAUSE HOW WOULD HE WOULD, SO MAYBE AWARE OF THIS MAYBE ECI WOULD. YEAH. I WILL CHECK IN WITH, WITH, UM, DYLAN PINE TOMORROW. IT SAYS HE SIGNS OFF. WHAT'S A SIZE? OH, PETER CLEAR EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY. OH, HE'S PART OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. THAT'S HOW HE SIGNED HIS EMAIL. HOW DID HE SIGN IT? PETER BLAIR EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY SELL WITH A PHONE NUMBER, WHICH I ASSUME IS HIS PHONE NUMBER, BUT YEP. HE, BUT SOMETHING HE SENT TO ME, I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY CARE, UM, SAID THAT HE'S INTERESTED IN THE COMBINED HISTORY OF SCARSDALE AND EDGEMONT. HE COULD BE INTERESTED IN IT, BUT HE CAN'T. I WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING WITH SCAR, YOU CAN'T INCLUDE NO EDGEMONT WITH IT. I DON'T, EDGEMONT IS NOT, I DON'T, WE DON'T WANT WHY. NO, IT'S NOT. IT'S, YOU'RE GOING INTO A DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY. YEP. OKAY. CAN WE, CAN, MAY WE LEAVE THIS TOPIC, AARON? YEAH, I, I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY, OR ASK, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO THE QUESTIONS, I, I WANNA BE ABLE TO, I, IF THE BOARD FEELS THIS WAY, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD'S SUPPORTIVE, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO RELAY THAT SUPPORT. IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS IF, IF GREENBERG WANTS THIS IS GOING TO THE TOWN BOARD, IF, IF GREENBERG WANTS TO TAKE SOME CREDIT HERE AND IN INSIST ON GREENBURG BEING MENTIONED ON THE BANNER, AFTER ALL IT IS IN THE GREENBURG CO, UH, TOWN PARK ON, AND, AND IN THE GREENBURG RIGHT OF WAY, THEN, UH, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR THE TOWN BOARD TO RAISE, NOT NECESSARILY THE HISTORIC BOARD. OKAY. I, I AGREE. I'M SORRY. I AGREE WITH ED. OKAY. I JUST, I JUST REALIZED I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT I DIDN'T THINK OF THIS BEFORE. SO PETER BLEIER IS THE PERSON WHO GAVE THE WALKING TOUR I WAS ON OH, IN 2024. UM, YEAH, I'M, I'M HERE. I HAVE HIS, I HAVE HIS CELL PHONE NUMBER AND EVERYTHING I JUST REALIZED. UM, SO, SO HE AND DYLAN ARE VERY MUCH INVOLVED. THEY, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, WORKING TOGETHER AND, UM, PETER IS PART OF THIS EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND GIVES TOURS FOR DYLAN, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE ALL INVITED TO. I JUST REALIZED. YEAH, WELL, OLD ARMY ROAD, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS VERY, VERY, IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER, AND PART OF IT GOES TOWARDS, YONKERS HAS AN INCREDIBLE HISTORY SPANNING GENERATIONS. I MEAN, IT STARTS WITH THREE 50 OLD ARMY ROAD, WHICH IS I THINK 17 40, 17 48, A LONG TIME AGO. UM, LAST IN THE MOHEGANS WAS FINISHED ON IT. IT HAD THE FARRIER FOR, UM, AND THAT BARN IS STILL THERE. THE FARRIER FOR, UM, EDGEMONT, IT HAD UNTIL IT WAS TAKEN DOWN. THE BUTCHER SHOP FOR EDGEMONT STILL HAS THE FARMHOUSE THAT WENT WITH THE BUTCHER SHOP. IT HAS THE APPLE PICKERS FOR THE APPLE ORCHARD THAT WAS OFF OLD ARMY ROAD. IT HAS FARMHOUSE AFTER FARMHOUSE UNTIL IT WAS TAKEN DOWN. IT HAD A WATER TOWER FOR THAT PART OF GREENBURG. THERE IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF HISTORY. AND BEFORE IT WAS TAKEN DOWN, IT HAD, UM, IT HAD THE COTTAGE WHERE THE POET LAUREATE OF, OF THE UNITED STATES LIVED. SO THERE'S ENOUGH ON THAT, ON THAT ROAD. SO IF HE WANTS TO HIGHLIGHT IT, FEEL FINE. ANYTHING MORE ON IT, AARON? NO, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. UM, I DON'T THINK THERE HAS TO BE A VOTE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT UNLESS, UH, MR. LIEBERMAN APPEAL OTHERWISE, DO YOU WANNA VOTE TO SUPPORT IT? NO, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S NECESSARY. YOU, UH, OKAY. THAT'S FINE. YOU CAN WRITE, UH, UNLESS YOU WANT TO VOTE TO AUTHORIZE MADELINE TO SEND A LETTER TO THE TOWN BOARD SUPPORTING THE PROPOSAL. YEAH, WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT . OKAY. [00:40:02] OKAY. UM, LET'S GET ON TO SOME BUSINESS THEN. ONE 14 OAK STREET. YES. SO WE DO HAVE, UM, THE OWNER AND ITS ARCHITECT ON ZOOM THIS EVENING. I'M HAPPY TO ADMIT THEM INTO THE ROOM, CERTAINLY, SO THAT THEY CAN PRESENT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD HAS. GOOD EVENING. HI THERE. MR. AND MRS. IVES, AS WELL AS MS. BRODA, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING. UM, WE'RE READY TO DISCUSS YOUR PROPOSAL AT 14 OAK STREET. MS. BRODA, ARE YOU THERE? YOU MAY, SHE MAY HAVE STEPPED AWAY SINCE WE WERE, UH, RUNNING A LITTLE BIT BEHIND HERE. NO, I'M HERE, BUT, UM, YOU CAN OH, GREAT, GREAT. SO, SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE, I WAS MUTED. THAT'S OKAY. WE JUST WANT TO, UM, YOU KNOW, HEAR FROM YOU ALL REGARDING THE PROPOSAL. WE DID TRANSMIT TO THE BOARD THE MATERIALS THAT YOU SUBMITTED. SO WITH THE BACKGROUND AND THE FACT THAT YOU'RE A GROWING FAMILY IN A SMALLER HOME AND LOOKING TO GAIN SOME ADDITIONAL SPACE, UNDERSTANDABLE THERE. UM, BUT THE SHARE SCREEN FUNCTION IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY DRAWINGS OR PHOTOGRAPHS, ET CETERA. AND I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO, UH, MS. BRODA AND THE VES. EXCELLENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, HI EVERYBODY. I'M CHRIS BRODA. I'M THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. AND KEVIN AND SAMANTHA WITH ME. UM, ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, YOU SHOULD SEE THE RENDERING OF THE HOUSE AS IT CURRENTLY IS. UM, I'M SURE YOU'VE ALL GONE TO THE SITE, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE ORIENTATION, THIS IS THE MANOR WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND FOUR CORNERS IS OVER HERE AND OAK STREET IS RIGHT HERE. AND THIS IS THE PROPERTY. THIS WAS A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT AS ONE OF A PAIR, THE TWO HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO ONE ANOTHER HERE. TRY NOT TO ZOOM TOO FAST. UM, THE TWO HOUSES ON ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND THAT THEY'RE ONLY 25 FEET WIDE, THESE TWO PROPERTIES, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE DOCUMENTATION THAT I SUBMITTED, THAT THE, THIS SUBDIVISION, WHICH WAS DONE IN 1895, WAS DONE WITH A BUNCH OF 25 FOOT LOTS AND PEOPLE COULD BUY HOWEVER MANY THEY WANTED AND COMBINE THEM AS SUCH. AND SO YOU SEE THAT ALL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE PRETTY SMALL. UM, DOWN HERE ON LAKEVIEW NUMBER 57, THAT ONE ALSO IS 25 FEET. THERE'S ALSO A 25 PAIR OF 25 FOOTERS HERE ON COLUMBIA. UM, THESE TWO WERE BUILT AS TWINS FOR THE TWO DAUGHTERS OF THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY AFTER THE SUBDIVISION. AND, UM, I SUBMITTED IN MY BACKGROUND THAT I'VE FOUND THAT IN THE CHAIN OF OWNERSHIP, THERE WAS A GAP IN THE MIDDLE, BUT I DID FIND THE ORIGINAL DEED AND THE ORIGINAL SALE TO THE COOMBS FAMILY. AND, UH, LET'S SEE. AND THEN THEY, AND THERE TWO NAMES HERE, JENNY AND GRACE WRIGHT. UM, JENNY COOMBS WAS, THESE ARE THE EXECUTORS, I GUESS, OF GEORGE COOMBS, THE ORIGINAL OWNER. AND THEY SOLD NUMBER 14 TO A PAIR IN 1946 AFTER MR. COOMBS DIED. AND I'M GONNA PRESUME THAT THESE TWO ARE THE TWO SISTERS, BECAUSE GRACE WAS LIVING AT NUMBER 10. THIS THE COMPANION HOUSE. MM-HMM . SO THE TWO HOUSES STARTED OUT AS, UM, THE SMALL, LET, LET ME JUST GET YOU GOOGLE STREET VIEW OF IT. FIRST. IT'S A LITTLE 14 IS BLOCKED OUT AND NUMBER 10 IS BLOCKED OUT BY ALL OF THE TREES AND SHRUBBERY AND EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. BUT THE PRESUMPTION IS THE, THE COOMBS OWNED FROM THIS HOUSE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NUMBER 10. AND THE PRESUMPTION IS THAT ONE OF THESE TWO HOUSES WAS THE ORIGINAL HOUSE OF THE FAMILY. AND THEN THEY BUILT THESE COMPANION HOUSES FOR THEIR DAUGHTERS. SO THEY ARE SMALL, THEY'RE 25 FOOT LOTS. UM, YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS, FROM AN EXISTING STANDPOINT, THE SIZE OF THE HOMES IS PRETTY [00:45:01] SMALL ON THIS STREET. EACH OF THEM HAS A FRONT PORCH, WHICH AT SOME POINT, SOMEONE ENCLOSED IN 2014, THIS ENCLOSED PORCH AND PORTICO WAS LEGALIZED. SO SOMEBODY DID THIS AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THERE WAS AN ADDITION DONE, TWO ADDITIONS DONE TO THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY, THIS IS PRESUMED TO HAVE BEEN THIS SIZE WITH JUST AN ATTIC OVER A ONE STORY HOUSE. THE, UM, SECOND FLOOR WAS ADDED AT ONE POINT IN THE FRONT. AND THEN IN 1998, A SECOND STORY WAS ADDED IN THE BACK. UM, THAT OVERHANGS A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN SEE HERE ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT OVERHANGS A LITTLE BIT IN THE BACK. AND THESE TWO HOMES SHARE THAT ONE LITTLE GARAGE IN BETWEEN THE TWO. IT'S SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE FROM A PROPERTY, PROPERTY LINE STANDPOINT. MM-HMM . SO AT SOME POINT, THIS WAS ENCLOSED. OUR PROPOSAL IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS DOWN BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY, THESE CONCRETE PIERS ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY FLIMSY AND NOT VERY DEEP. AND THE HOUSE IS REALLY NOT WELL INSULATED IN THE FRONT HERE AND VERY MUCH, UM, NOT, IT COULD NOT POSSIBLY SUPPORT THE SECOND FLOOR. AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ADD A SECOND FLOOR TO EX WELL OVER THE FRONT TO EXPAND THE SECOND FLOOR. AND I'LL SHOW YOU NOW WHAT THE, UH, PROPOSED LOOKS LIKE IN A SECOND HERE. DOESN'T . SO WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO IS ADD ABOVE THAT PORCH AND ADD A TWO STORY SPACE THAT IS PROPERLY BUILT AND WELL INSULATED. THAT ALLOWS US TO GET A THIRD BEDROOM ON THIS FLOOR. RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE ONLY TWO BEDROOMS IN THE HOUSE WITH FOUR PEOPLE, TWO KIDS SHARING A BEDROOM. AND THEN WHAT IN ORDER TO HELP MITIGATE THAT FRONT, JUST BEING KIND OF A EXTRUDED FACE HERE AND SORT OF A SHEER WALL, I WANTED TO KEEP THE PATTERN OF SOME KIND OF A PORCH ACROSS THE FACE THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW US TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THIS CUT DOWN AND SCALE A LITTLE BIT. SO AS YOU LOOK HERE, YOU CAN SEE, UH, LET ME SEE. GOT, GET BETTER. I CAN GIVE YOU SOME MORE TREES HERE. UPDATE WITH SOME TREES. THERE WE GO. A LITTLE BIT MORE. LANDSCAPING COMES IN. AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, IT LINES UP PRETTY MUCH THE, THE SECOND STORY EDITION STILL LINES UP WITH THE FRONT PORCHES OF THE OTHER HOMES ALONG THE WAY HERE. SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT LINING THEM ALL UP KIND OF IN THAT, IN THAT SPACE THERE YOU CAN SEE THAT PRETTY MUCH LINES UP. AND THEN TO MITIGATE THAT SIZE, THE, THE SCALE OF THE FRONT, YOU WANNA PUT A NICE FRONT PORCH ON. AND THERE ARE OTHER PORCHES IN THE, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SORT OF ARE LIKE THIS IN, UM, LET'S SEE, NUMBER 57 LAKE VIEW. THAT'S ANOTHER 25 FOOT LOT. NO, NO GARAGE IN THE BACK, NO ROOM FOR IT. UH, AND THEY HAVE A NICE LITTLE PORCH HERE THAT ALSO IS SIMILAR TO IT. SO THERE'S A PRECEDENCE FOR THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE. THEY'RE ALL SWEET LITTLE KIND OF COTTAGE STYLE HOMES, BUT THEY, IT, IT'S A BIT DIFFICULT FOR TODAY'S LIFESTYLE FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN A HOME LIKE THESE. SO, UM, LET'S SEE IF THERE'S, YEAH, SO THESE HOUSES, BOTH OF THESE HOUSES ARE ON LARGER LOTS AND THEREFORE HAVE A LARGER FOOTPRINT AND THEREFORE A BETTER SPACE. BUT THIS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. TWO HOMES VERY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER. AND THEY'RE STILL BE, DO THEY SHARE THE, THE SAME THE GARAGE STILL? CHRIS? IT'S MADELINE. DO THEY? YES. HI MADELEINE. DO THEY STILL SHARE THE, UM, THE GARAGE ON THE DRIVEWAY? YES. YES WE DO. YES, THEY DO. YEP. IT'S A, IT'S A TWO CAR GARAGE THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH, THERE ARE, THERE ARE TWO GARAGE. THERE ARE TWO GARAGE DOORS, YES. BUT IT'S, UH, IS THERE A SAM, KEVIN, IS THERE A WALL DOWN THE MIDDLE THAT SEPARATES THERE'S YEAH, THERE IS. THERE'S A WALL DOWN THE MIDDLE. WE CAN GET OUR CAR IN. IF THE GARAGE IS EMPTY, WE CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF THE CAR ONCE IT'S IN. SO IT'S A BIT OF A, WE DON'T, THAT'S MY GARAGE AT MY HOUSE. MINE TOO. THEY'RE [00:50:01] ALL SORT OF BUILT. MY HOUSE WAS IN 1938. THINK THEY WERE BUILT FOR HORSE AND BUGGIES. RIGHT? THERE'S, IT'S NOT TERRIBLY PRACTICAL, BUT IT'S THERE FOR STORAGE AND MEDU SHARE. RIGHT. METAL PIECE. SLENDER. EXACTLY. . CHRIS, ORIGINALLY WHEN THESE WERE BUILT, YOU COULD CLAIM THAT THEY WERE THE ORIGINAL TINY HOUSES THAT ARE SUDDENLY SO POPULAR TODAY. ABSOLUTELY. THEY REALLY ARE. BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT TINY HOUSES TODAY, THEY'RE USUALLY ADUS FOR SORT OF IN-LAWS, RIGHT? WHO ARE RETIRED OR FOR KIDS STARTING OUT FROM SCHOOL. NOT REALLY FOR A GROWING FAMILY, YOU KNOW, FOR A, FOR A YOUNG FAMILY WITH KIDS IN SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, AND I WILL JUST SAY THIS ABOUT KEVIN AND, AND SAM, THEY ARE VERY DEDICATED TO KEEPING THEIR KIDS IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEY'RE VERY DEDICATED TO STAYING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, MANY OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW MANOR WOODS THAT WELL, BUT WE ARE A PRETTY TIGHT COMMUNITY HERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I LIVE JUST THE NEXT STREET OVER, I CAN SEE THEIR FRONT PORCH FROM MY FRONT PORCH. UM, AND IT'S A, IT'S A TIGHT COMMUNITY. WE'RE ALL BOUND FIRST BY OUR DOGS. , MOSTLY . UM, BUT, UH, IT, IT'S BECOME A REALLY WONDERFUL, FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WHAT I REALLY LIKE IS THAT WE'VE GOT MORE FAMILIES, LIKE, LIKE THE IVES WHO HAVE BEEN MOVING IN WITH KIDS. WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE 30 YEARS AGO, IT WAS MOSTLY JUST TWO, TWO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, COUPLES WITHOUT KIDS OR OLDER COUPLES. AND, UM, IT'S NICE TO SEE YOUNG PEOPLE COMING IN. THE FAMILY NEXT TO ME HAS THREE LITTLE BOYS. IT'S, IT, IT'S REALLY A GREAT ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WANNA KEEP THEM HERE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I DON'T. I MEAN, IF WHAT SHE'S DOING IS IT'S STAYING WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PROPERTY, THE FOOTPRINT, YEAH. WE DO HAVE A ZONING MEETING AND WE DO HAVE A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE 75 FOOT LOTS, AND THIS IS ONLY 25, SO WE NEED A BUNCH OF VARIANCES. UH, IF IT WERE 75 FEET, WE'D ONLY NEED ONE. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE ARE STAYING IN THE FOOTPRINT, BUT YOU'RE LESS THAN THREE FEET AWAY ON THIS SIDE, AND YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH WITHIN FOUR FEET OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE DRIVEWAY. JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE HEIGHT. I KNOW YOU'LL, DO YOU NEED A VARIANCE FOR THAT AS WELL? ARE YOU GOING UP IN HEIGHT ALSO? NOPE. NO. THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, UH, WELL, LET'S JUST SAY THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS THIS HEIGHT RIGHT HERE, UHHUH. UM, THE SECOND STORY, ADDITIONS THAT WERE DONE HAVE A PRETTY SHALLOW PITCH, SO, OKAY. OH NO, WE'RE, WE'RE NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE HEIGHT LIMIT, UM, OF THE HOUSE. SO THAT DEFINITELY, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SIMPLY EXTENDING THE, THE FORM OF THE HOUSE FORWARD JUST TO ACCOMMODATE THAT SECOND BEDROOM OR THE THIRD BEDROOM UP THERE RATHER. SO YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF SHADE BEING CAST ON ITS NEIGHBOR. NO. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S QUITE, QUITE SHADY. YEAH, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET ME JUST PUT THAT BACK TO WHERE, WHERE THE EXISTING IS AND YOU'LL SEE THE SHADING WITH THAT CAST. IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, SIMILAR. AND TO TRUTH BE TOLD, THERE ARE SO MANY TREES IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE, THAT HOUSE IS COMPLETELY SHADED ANYWAY, BUT IF SOMEONE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, CUT THEM DOWN. YEAH. UM, THIS IS EAST HEADING THIS WAY. MM-HMM . SOUTH IS DIRECTLY OUT THE BACK AND THE HOUSES, THE FRONT OF THEM FACE NORTH. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE JUST A TAD MORE SHADE GOING ONTO THE PORCH HERE, IT'S ONLY MORNING SUN. MM-HMM . UM, ONCE YOU GET PAST 10 O'CLOCK, THAT SUN HAS MOVED FOR MOST OF THE AIR THAT HAS MOVED TO THE BACK. AND THERE ARE ACTUALLY, AS WE SAW, THERE ARE ACTUALLY A BUNCH OF TREES BACK THERE. SO THIS, THE HILL HILLSIDE RISES UP, LAKEVIEW IS BEHIND HERE. THAT'S THE STREET BACK THERE, AND IT GOES UP PRETTY STEEPLY. AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF, I DON'T HAVE NEARLY AS MANY TREES IN AS I SHOULD. UM, IT'S A VERY, UH, UM, VERY TREE NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU CAN SEE HERE FROM JUST THE GOOGLE MAPS VIEW. MM-HMM . LOTS AND LOTS OF TREES HERE. AND IF WE JUST ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT, CHRIS, ARE YOU WEARING THE BATHROOM? UH, NO. YOU KNOW, WE, ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS WE CONSIDERED GOING IN THE BACK RATHER THAN THE [00:55:01] FRONT TO AVOID SOME OF THE VARIANCES. AND IT BECAME JUST TOO TIGHT. NUMBER ONE BETWEEN THE GARAGE, HERE'S THE GARAGE BACK THERE. BUT THE OTHER THING WAS THE COST. WE ARE ON A TIGHT BUDGET HERE AND WE'VE HAD TO WEIGH A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE'VE HAD A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD FROM DAY ONE, UH, LOOKING AT VARIOUS, UM, DESIGN OPTIONS AND THE, UM, THE COST. WE JUST, EVEN THIS PAST WEEKEND DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO ADD A SECOND BATHROOM ON THE UPSTAIRS? THERE IS A BATHROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THERE'S A BATHROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, AND WE JUST FOUND THAT WE JUST REALLY CAN'T, CAN'T AFFORD IT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, WE, WE PLAN IN THE FUTURE PERHAPS THAT WE WOULD RENOVATE THE BATHROOM DOWNSTAIRS, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST NOT IN THE BUDGET, GIVEN THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION THESE DAYS. THAT'S FINE. CORRECT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? YES, I THINK IN TERMS OF, UH, UH, AESTHETICS AND, UH, LOOKS WOULD BE GOOD TOO. INSTEAD OF HAVING A SINK LIKE SLOPING PORCH, ONE SIDED ROOF, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO IT SIMILAR TO, LIKE, YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A, UH, DOUBLE GABLE. SO THAT WOULD KIND OF MY ONLY COMMENTS ON, I LOOKED AT THAT ACTUALLY. AND PART OF THE PROBLEM OF THAT COST IS THAT, LET ME SHOW YOU HERE. NO, IT'S NOT SO MUCH COST. THAT'S, THAT WASN'T THE ISSUE. THIS IS, IT IS MORE COSTLY. THAT'S TRUE. BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS, WHEN YOU DID THAT, IT MESSED UP THE, THE BEDROOM WINDOWS, BECAUSE I'M ADDING HERE, I'VE GOT TO GET WINDOWS THAT MEET THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT FOR EGRESS. I CAN'T USE THE SAME SIZE AS THE ORIGINALS. I UNDERSTAND. SO, SO WHAT IT ENDED UP DOING IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS BEDROOM WOULD BE ARRANGED, THE BED'S GOTTA BE ON THIS WALL BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME SIDE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE KEEPING AND PUTTING A ROOF LIKE THAT, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ACTUALLY INTERFERED WITH, WITH THE WINDOWS. UH, I DIDN'T GET IT. THAT, I MEAN, IT'S PREVIOUS, THE OTHER, THE OLDER HOMES AND THE OTHER HOMES HAVE A SIMILAR WINDOWS. SO I MEAN, IF YOU, BUT, BUT THEY DON'T, BUT THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE 5.7 SQUARE FEET OF OPEN SPACE. , THE, THEY, THE, AT THE TIME THEY WERE, MOST OF THOSE HOMES WERE BUILT. THERE WAS NO BUILDING CODE. BUT WHEN THE BUILDING CODE CAME IN UNTIL 1985 MM-HMM . OR 1990, YOU ONLY NEEDED FOUR SQUARE FEET OF OPENING FOR, FOR A, UM, EMERGENCY EGRESS. AND NOW IT, SO THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU SEE HOUSES WITH DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS, THEY HAVE, THESE ARE ACTUALLY, THESE WILL HAVE TO BE CASEMENT, BUT YOU CAN GET THEM WITH A, A BAR. THIS, IT'S NOT QUITE SHOWN ON THIS, BUT YOU, YOU CAN GET THEM WITH A BAR THAT MIMICS THE, THE DIVIDER OF A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW. I HAVE TO MAKE THEM CASEMENTS. OTHERWISE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, TO MAKE A DOUBLE HUNG WINDOW, YOUR, YOUR WINDOW HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF THREE FEET WIDE AND FIVE FEET TALL. AND WHEN IT'S FIVE FEET TALL, IT'S ONLY 18 INCHES OFF THE FLOOR IN A STANDARD ROOM WITH AN EIGHT FOOT CEILING. SO THE DOUBLE H, THE, THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT FOR EGRESS WINDOWS. THAT'S WHY IF YOU DRIVE AROUND AND SEE HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN RENOVATED AND HAD SECOND FLOORS PUT ON, IF THEY HAVE DOUBLE HUNG WINDOWS, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS ARE MUCH LARGER THAN THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS, WHICH JUST AESTHETICALLY DRIVES ME CRAZY. I THINK IT'S JUST SO OUTTA PROPORTION AND IT'S TOTALLY DRIVEN BY THE BUILDING CODE. OKAY. I, I ACTUALLY HAD THE SAME OBSERVATION THAT CUR HAD, AND I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING BECAUSE TO MY EYE, IT'S STILL COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO DO WHAT CORT WAS SAYING. BUT THEN I REALIZED IF YOU GO GO TO GOOGLE MAPS, TWO DOORS DOWN, THEY HAVE THE ROOF THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT ON THE BLOCK. TOTALLY. YEAH. THERE HOUSE. YEAH. THAT HAS, WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS HOUSE RIGHT HERE, THIS HOUSE IS THE ONE THAT, THAT'S THE WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. IF YOU GO HERE, WE'LL JUST GO INTO THE STREET, THE PALE BLUE HOUSE, THIS GUY RIGHT HERE. EXACTLY. THAT'S THE ONE. SO THAT'S, THEN I WITHDREW MY, [01:00:01] MY COMMENT UNTIL I SAW THAT, YEAH. I MEAN THAT CERTAINLY IS MORE DESIRABLE, BUT THE PROBLEM AGAIN IS IT, IT IT DOES ADD COST AND WE HAD A LOT OF OTHER COSTS WE HAVE TO ADDRESS WITH THIS HOUSE IN TERMS OF WE NEED A NEW HEATING SYSTEM, WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA BE ABLE TO GET AIR CONDITIONING. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THOSE SCENARIOS. UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE COSTS RIGHT NOW OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL COSTS ARE CLIMBING LIKE CRAZY BECAUSE OF TARIFFS AND IT'S JUST BECOMING RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE TO DO ANYTHING. YEAH, UNDERSTAND. MIA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS? UH, I'M WONDERING, UH, HOW YOU'RE GONNA TIE IN THE SIDING. ARE YOU JUST PAINTING IT ALL THE SAME COLOR? NOPE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING. UM, THE SECOND FLOOR WILL DO THE SAME COLOR. UM, THE, THE FIRST FLOOR HAS, WELL THE, THE TWO EXISTING FLOORS RIGHT NOW HAVE AN EIGHT INCH EXPOSURE ON BASICALLY ALUMINUM SIDING. UM, OR, AND SO, OR I'M SORRY, IT'S VINYL SIDING, BUT IT'S, WE'RE NEVER GONNA MATCH IT EXACTLY, BUT IT'S WHITE. SO WE CAN DO WHITE, UM, BY BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT SOME INSULATION ON THE OUTSIDE IN ORDER TO INSULATE THE, THE UPSTAIRS. AND SO, UM, THERE IS A NATURAL BREAK WE CAN CREATE. SO I PROBABLY CAN PUT LIKE A TRIM BOARD HERE THAT WOULD DIVIDE THE UPPER AND THE LOWER END. AND THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER OPTION IS TO GO WITH THE SHAKE LOOKING, UM, SIDING. BUT BASICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IN, IN CONTEXT. IT'LL BE A SUBTLE CHANGE FROM ONE TO THE NEXT BECAUSE WE'RE KEEPING THE COLOR, WE'RE GONNA STAY WITH THE WHITE, YOU KNOW, AND USE TRIM BOARDS TO, TO SORT OF OFFSET THAT. AND SHUTTERS AND NO SHUTTERS. UH, LET'S SEE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME SHUTTERS ON THE FRONT. WE CERTAINLY CAN PUT THOSE BACK UP. UM, OR EX OR CHANGE THEM. THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. IT'S RIGHT ON THE FRONT, NOTHING ON THE SIDES, BUT THE FRONT WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD SHUTTERS AND THAT WOULD GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CHARM. MAKE IT A LITTLE LESS BULKY. FEELING GOOD. HOW, HOW DEEP IS THE PORCH? UH, THE PORCH THAT THE, THE NEW PORCH THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON? YES. OKAY. SO THIS GUY, IT'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF FEET. I DIDN'T, I I COULDN'T, IT WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A FRONT YARD SETBACK. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF HOUSES IN HICKORY THAT ARE ACTUALLY HICKORY STREET DOWN A LITTLE BIT DOWN BELOW, UH, CLOSER TO THE CENTRAL AVENUE. THEY'RE ACTUALLY CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN THIS WILL BE. UH, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, I, I ONLY WANTED TO GO AS FAR AS I COULD. BESIDES WE HAVE THESE, BECAUSE IT'S ELEVATED, THE HOUSE IS ELEVATED. I NEEDED TO GET THE STAIRS TO WORK WITH A SIDEWALK. THESE ARE EXISTING STEPS HERE, SO WE DON'T WANNA GET INTO THE COST OF REDOING THOSE. SO WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO IS GET A PORCH THAT'S ONLY FOUR AND A HALF FEET DEEP AT THE MOST. IT'S ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD PUT A CHAIR, YOU KNOW, ON THE SIDE AND SIT THERE AND SAY HI TO THE NEIGHBORS. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD SHELTER. BUT PRETTY MUCH THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO ASK FOR. I'M NOT LOOKING TO PUSH IT ANY CLOSER TO THE STREET. OKAY. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE WILL ASK AARON TO WRITE THE USUAL LETTER. REMEMBER, WE CAN'T BE INVOLVED IN ANY VARIANCES OR ANYTHING. WE, WE DISCUSS HAS NO BEARING ON ANY VARIANCES. AARON WILL WRITE OUR USUAL LETTER. YES, I'M HAPPY TO DRAFT THAT. UM, DO WE WANT TO HAVE A MOTION AND VOTE TO PERMIT THIS PROPOSAL TO MOVE FORWARD SUBJECT TO THE LETTER WITH THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, UH, INVOLVING WHEN THERE ARE OTHER LAND USE BOARDS INVOLVED? YES. MAY HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD WITH THE USUAL CAVEATS THAT WE HAVE NO BEARING ON ANY OTHER LAND USE BOARD. MAKE A MOTION. UH, SECOND. [01:05:02] ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. A THANK YOU, CHRIS. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS, CHRIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BYE. HAVE A LOVELY EVENING. OKAY, QUICKLY ON OUR LAST TWO ITEMS. UM, AARON, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I JUST DON'T SEE THE STAKE THAT SHOWS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS ON THE, UH, DAGNY PROPERTY ON OLD ARMY ROAD. AND I KNOW IT HAS TO BE ME, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT I WANNA SEE IT. HELP, HELP ME HERE, PLEASE. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS GET A PHOTOGRAPH. I BELIEVE I ASKED FOR ONE. LET ME, I'M JUST MAKING A NOTE. DID NOT SEE STEAK. I WILL GET A PHOTO AND I WILL EMAIL IT TO YOU. OKAY. UM, HAS THE APP IT'S, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. I JUST WONDER IF THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO H AND PBS SAFEGUARDS AS FAR AS THE, UM, CEMETERY AND OLD. WELL NOW, NOW THE TAVERN IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER IF WE'RE GONNA HIGHLIGHT OLD ARMY ROAD. SO I'M JUST MAKING ANOTHER NOTE NOT TO MENTION THE MARCH. IT'S GONNA GO RIGHT BY IT. YES. AND STOP FOR A DRINK. SO THE WAY THAT COMMENTARY WORKS IS THAT, UM, THE COMMENTS AND MEMO THAT WAS ISSUED BY H-N-L-P-B WAS TRANSMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD. THE PLANNING BOARD IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERING, UH, IMPOSING THE CONDITIONS ON THE APPLICANT. THE PLANNING BOARD HELD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS MOST RECENTLY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON, UM, SEPTEMBER 2ND, LEFT THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN FOR THREE WEEKS. SO IT IS OPEN THROUGH NEXT WEDNESDAY, AND WE'LL BE CONSIDERING A DECISION ON THE STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AT ITS OCTOBER, I BELIEVE, SIXTH MEETING. UM, IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE SPECIFICS, THE APPLICANT IS AGREEABLE AND, AND PRELIMINARILY SHOWED THE PLANNING BOARD, UM, WHAT I'LL REFER TO AS THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT TO THE REAR, UH, OR NORTH PORTION OF THE SITE, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE GREENVILLE CEMETERY PROPERTY. AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, IN LINE WITH THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR THE ZONE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 25 26 FEET. I'LL DOUBLE CHECK ON THAT. BUT THEY WOULD ENTER THAT AREA AND SHOW IT ON A PLAN AND DESIGNATE IT AS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT WOULD GET FILED. THAT THERE SHALL BE NO DISTURBANCE STRUCTURES OR, UM, ET CETERA, UH, WITHIN THAT AREA, WHICH WOULD HELP PROTECT THE ADJACENT CEMETERY PROPERTY. UM, THERE ARE, THE TOWN HAS VERY STRICT PROTOCOLS AND REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO ROCK REMOVAL, WHETHER IT BE BY BLASTING, WHICH THE APPLICANT'S, UH, ENGINEER INDICATED THAT THEY WERE LEANING TOWARDS, BECAUSE IT'S MUCH QUICKER THAN UTILIZING A ROCK HAMMER FOR SEVERAL MONTHS OUT THERE, WHICH CAN BE VERY DISRUPTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE LEANING, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY IN FULL WITH THE BLASTING ORDINANCE OF THE TOWN. AND THE TOWN HAS A THIRD PARTY BLASTING INSPECTOR THAT'S ON SITE AND OVERSEES THOSE BLASTS. UM, IF THEY WERE TO PIVOT AND GO THE ROCK SHIPPING ROUTE, THE, EVEN THOUGH HE IS THE BLASTING INSPECTOR, HE WOULD STILL BE INVOLVED. AND THE TOWN HAS NOW, UH, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT RECENT, UM, A ROCK CHIPPING PERMIT. AND THEY HAVE TO, UH, SUBMIT APPLICATION MATERIALS AS WELL AS, UM, A HIGH RESOLUTION SEISMIC REFRACTION SURVEY BY A GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER, WHICH, UM, IN LAYMAN'S TERMS MEANS THAT THEY HAVE TO STUDY IF THE ROCK CAN BE CHIPPED WITH A HAMMER OR IF IT'S, AND IF IT'S TOO DENSE AND A HAMMER CAN PENETRATE THE ROCK AND SHIP IT PROPERLY, THEN THE CHIPPING PERMIT WOULD NOT BE APPROVED AND THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO BLAST. SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, BLACK GRANITE, IT'S A VERY DENSE ROCK AND THERE ARE NOT MANY HAMMERS THAT [01:10:01] CAN, UM, PENETRATE THAT ROCK AND CHIP IT. AND THE TOWN PICKED UP ON THIS BECAUSE OUR BLA THIRD PARTY BLASTING INSPECTOR IS FAMILIAR WITH OTHERS IN THAT PROFESSION. AND THERE HAPPENED TO BE A PROJECT, I THINK IT WAS IN PORTCHESTER OR ROUGHLY IN THAT AREA WHERE THAT TYPE OF SURVEY WASN'T REQUIRED AND THEY WERE HAMMERING FOR SIX MONTHS STRAIGHT OUT ON A PROJECT SITE DISRUPTING THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY WERE GETTING NOWHERE. AND IT'S BECAUSE THE DENSITY OF THAT ROCK WHEN THE HAMMER JUST COULDN'T PENETRATE IT. AND THEN, SO THEY DID SIX MONTHS STOPPED AND THEN BLASTED. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOT BOTH. UM, THERE ALSO WITH BLASTING REQUIRES SURVEYS OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND SITES. SO I KNOW THAT THE HISTORIC BOARD, WHILE THREE 50 OLD ARMY ROAD IS CERTAINLY WITHIN THAT DISTANCE. UM, IT'S, WE WEREN'T CERTAIN IF THE HEADSTONES ON THE ADJACENT CEMETERY PROPERTY WOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. SO THAT WAS A GREAT COMMENT BY H AND LPB, THAT'S ON THE RECORD. AND ALSO, UM, WAS IT REVEREND OLIVER? I FORGET HIS NAME. UM, CLOVER. CLOVER, PARDON ME? CLOVER, YEAH. SAM CLOVER ATTENDED THE LAST PLANNING BOARD PUBLIC HEARING AND SPOKE ON THE RECORD AND EXPRESSED SIMILAR, UH, CONCERNS. SO THOSE WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND ARE ON THE RECORD, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY BENEFICIAL. UM, THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPERTY LINE SHARED WITH THREE 50 OLD ARMY ROAD AND THE PLANNING BOARD. THAT BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ON RECORD A SURVEY PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. IF THE NEIGHBORS DISAGREE WITH THAT SURVEY, THEN YOU KNOW, IT TURNS INTO A PRIVATE MATTER BETWEEN PRIVATE OWNERS AND THE PLANNING BOARD ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE SPEAKING. NEVERTHELESS, WITHIN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR LACK OF A BETTER, THE DISPUTED AREA, THERE IS NO TREE REMOVAL OR EARTH WORK PROPOSED WITHIN THAT AREA. UM, SO, SO THAT'S CLEAR. UM, THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION OF, UM, SIGHT LINES AND THAT WAS REVIEWED BY THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY DIVISION OF THE GREENBURG POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY ALSO REQUESTED, AND THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD CONDITION THAT THERE BE NO OBSTRUCTIONS PLACED WITHIN WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS THE SITE TRIANGLES, SO THAT SOMEONE LEAVING THAT, UH, EXITING THAT DRIVEWAY CAN SEE VEHICLES TRAVELING. UM, BOTH, LET'S CALL IT EAST AND WEST ALONG OLD ARMY. THERE WAS ALSO COMMENTS RELATED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC BACKING UP, PARTICULARLY AT SCHOOL OUT HOURS, UM, YOU KNOW, SCHOOL, UH, DISMISSAL HOURS WHERE THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP FROM CENTRAL ALL THE WAY PAST WHAT WOULD BE, UH, WHERE THIS CURB CUT IS. SO, UM, NEVERTHELESS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANY FUTURE BUYER WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER IF THEY WERE GONNA MAKE THE PURCHASE, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT IN THE DRIVEWAY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO GET OUT. HOW, UM, AND I KNOW I HAVE, BUT THEY'RE NOT WITH ME. WHAT IS THE DI THE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE RETAINING WALL OF THE DRIVEWAY AND, AND THREE 50? SO FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, THE RETAINING WALL IS WITHIN, I THINK, FIVE FEET. THE, THERE, IT'S A DOUBLE DECKER RETAINING WALL. UM, 'CAUSE THEY WANTED A LE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ONE 12 FOOT WALL. SO THEY, AND, AND THEY, UM, TERRACE THEM SO TO SPEAK. SO I BELIEVE THE NEAREST WALL IS ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. THREE TO THREE TO SIX FEET, LET'S CALL IT. AND THE STRUCTURE ON THREE 50 IS ABOUT 45 FEET. 40 TO 45 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. UH, AND, AND THERE'S A DRIVEWAY IN BETWEEN. SO THE, ON THE THREE 50 SIDE, THAT'S THE SIDE THAT THEIR DRIVEWAY'S ON. SO THERE IS SOME SEPARATION, BUT NEVERTHELESS, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT EITHER A, A, A ROCK BLAST OR ROCK CHIPPING AND VIBRATIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DEFINITELY GONNA TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH RESPECT. UH, SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. AND AARON, ARE THEY TAKING, UM, PICTURES OF THE BEFORE BLASTING OF THE PROPERTY? SO THERE ARE, YEAH, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UM, THE BLA WITHIN THE BLASTING ORDINANCE THAT, UH, AN ASSESSMENT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO LONG AS I BELIEVE YOU NEED THE NEIGHBORING OWNER'S PERMISSION TO CONDUCT THAT SURVEY, SO TO SPEAK. AND CERTAINLY THESE NEIGHBORS ARE AWARE AND, AND AS WELL AS CONCERN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, [01:15:01] THE STRUCTURE'S NOT IMPACTED BY ANY ROCK REMOVAL ACTIVITIES. HAVE THE WHEELERS GIVEN ANY INDICATION THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO, UM, CONSIDER THIS TIME AROUND? 'CAUSE REMEMBER WE SAW THEM ABOUT 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO, UM, DESIGNATION THAT HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSED WITH THE WHEELERS, UM, DIRECTLY. THIS APPLICATION IS, IS NOT THE WHEELER'S APPLICATION. THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE AN INTERESTED PARTY. SO, UM, PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, THIS BOARD WANTS TO CONSIDER ASKING STAFF TO REACH OUT TO THE WHEELERS, UM, AND HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION ABOUT LANDMARKING THAT'S UP FOR THE BOARD. WELL, BECAUSE, UM, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, REVEREND CLOVER MADE SOME MENTION THAT THEY ARE CONTEMPLATING DESIGNATING, EXCUSE ME, THE CEMETERY. SO I THOUGHT PERHAPS THE WHEELERS HEARD THAT. AND, BUT IF, UM, IF WE I GET THE BOARD'S PERMISSION, WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT. OKAY, SURE. ANYTHING ELSE ON DALE MCG? THAT'S IT ON MY END. OKAY. THOSE OF US HERE, MAY WE REACH OUT TO THE WHEELERS AND SEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED? YES, I THINK SO. CURT AND ARMENIA, DO YOU AGREE THAT WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO THEM AGAIN? YES, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. DO YOU NEED A VOTE ON IT? DO WE NEED A VOTE TO DO THAT? NO. OKAY. UM, ONE MORE ITEM. AND WE HAVE ARMINA DID A, A BLURB ON IT ON, ON BETH EL KNOWLES. OH, I KNOW AARON ASKED, I THINK I SHOULD HAVE USED YOUR TERMINOLOGY. A WARTIME ORPHANAGE AFTER HOUSE OF MERCY, WHICH IS NOT THERE, AND A GENTLEMAN FARMHOUSE. MM-HMM . SO MAYBE THOSE TWO THINGS COULD BE ADDED AFTER THAT. IT BEGAN AS THE FOWLER HOUSE, BUT THE, WHAT HAPPENED HERE IS THAT HOUSE WAS ALWAYS JUST AN ITALIANATE RESIDENCE FARMHOUSE. EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAPPENED IN THE BUILDING BEHIND IT. AND SO THE HOUSE OF MERCY, THE ST. MARY'S IN THE FIELDS AND THE HEBREW HOME THAT THAT BECAME, IT ALL HAPPENED IN THIS BIG BEAUTIFUL, UH, CASTLE LIKE STRUCTURE THAT THEY TORE DOWN. SO THAT DIDN'T GET PRESERVED. YEAH. I REMEMBER GOING PAST THAT HOUSE EVERY DAY TO GO BACK AND FORTH TO GRAMMAR SCHOOL MM-HMM . AND THEN WHEN I WAS UP AT TAKING CLASSES AT, UH, WCC, I PASSED IT ALL THE TIME. WELL, TRUTH BE TOLD, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT WAS RATHER SNARKY. IF YOU REMEMBER ARMENIA ASKING WHY, IF, WHY WE, WHY H-N-L-P-B DIDN'T GO AFTER THE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK IF WE'RE SO CONCERNED WITH THE FRONT? WELL, WE WEREN'T BORN UNTIL 2006, SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, GIMME A BREAK HERE. OKAY. UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO, I ON, UM, I GET THIS THING NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH OR SOMETHING, AND THERE'S BEEN PEOPLE PUTTING STUFF UP ON, ON THE FACE OF IT ABOUT THAT BEING CHANGED AND THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT THE WATER COMING DOWN, IF THEY HAVE EVERY REASON TO BE ONTO HILLSIDE AVENUE, FLOODS TERRIBLY. AND IF THIS PLACE COMES IN, THOSE HOUSES ON STEVENS IS GONNA GET IT TOO. AND THEN THAT'S GONNA GO RIGHT DOWN AND IT'S GONNA . SO THAT'S CERTAINLY BEEN, THAT'S CERTAINLY UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE TOWN BOARD RIGHT NOW. AND, UH, THERE'S HEAVY ENGINEERING REVIEW BASED ON THAT. UM, IN TERMS OF WHERE THE PROJECT STANDS, THE TOWN BOARD IS, UM, SCHEDULED TO HAVE A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING ON SEPTEMBER 23RD, A WEEK FROM TOMORROW. OKAY. UM, AARON, UM, DO, DO WE NEED TO, UM, I GUESS SOMEBODY NEEDS TO, UM, GIVE THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY THE RULES OF, UM, DECONSTRUCTION AND ALL OF THE THINGS WE'VE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN SO THAT IT GETS PUT INTO THE TOWN BOARD RECORD. SO I THINK, AND I'D ASK MR. LIEBERMAN HIS THOUGHT, BUT MY THOUGHT WOULD BE TO TRANSMIT AN ADDITIONAL MEMO TO THE TOWN BOARD [01:20:02] TO CON TO ADD CONDITION AS CONDITIONS TO WHATEVER THEY APPROVE. RIGHT. SO SIMILAR TO HOW H AND LPB TRANSMITTED A MEMO TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON DEL MAGNI WITH REQUESTS FOR CERTAIN CONDITIONS DO THE SAME. UH, AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, AN UPDATED MEMO AND AT THAT TIME, UH, THERE CAN BE AN ENCLOSURE AND AN ATTACHMENT RELATED TO DECONSTRUCTION. BUT HOW, HOW ABOUT MAKING THE PLAQUE A REQUIREMENT OF THE BUILDER THE WAY WE DID ON PAIN ROAD? THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION OF H AND LPB? YES. OKAY. YES. WELL, YOU ASKED ME TO WRITE SOMETHING, UM, THAT WOULD BE ALMOST GENERIC TO ANYTHING WORTH MEMORIALIZING, WHETHER IT WAS, UM, DESIGNATED OR NOT. SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WRITE, UH, RESOLUTIONS, BUT I DID RESOLVE THAT HOUSES BUILDING TREES, WALLS, BARNS, ET CETERA, OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE, WHETHER LANDMARKED OR NOT HAVE A PLAQUE VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC PROCLAIMING ITS HISTORIC VALUE. GOD BLESS YOU. CREDIT. THANK YOU. AND THE COST OF THE INSULATION SHALL BE PROJECT BY PROJECT BECAUSE IF A HOMEOWNER IS RENOVATING SOMETHING, IE UM, SOME OF THE HOUSES WE MIGHT GET THEM, OR WE MIGHT GET A GRANT BECAUSE THERE ARE GRANTS FOR PLAQUES OR WERE GRANTS FOR PLAQUES. BUT AS FAR AS A, UM, BUILDER IS CONCERNED, I CAN'T WORRY ABOUT HIS BOTTOM LINE. I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. UM, RIGHT. AND, AND, AND THE BOARD WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THE, IN THE PAYNE STREET, UM, YOU KNOW, IN HAVING THE DEVELOPER MM-HMM . FUNDS FUND THAT PLAQUE, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL PLAQUE. IT'S IN MY OFFICE. AND I'VE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE NOW, UH, HE IS COORDINATED WITH AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILDER THAT, UM, TO, TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY AFFORDABLE HOMES, WHICH IS A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY FUNDING AND, AND PERHAPS EVEN STATE FUNDING. SO, UM, THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR DEMOLITION 'CAUSE THERE ARE TWO, UM, STRUCTURES ON THE SITE. AND THEN, AND THEN THEIR BUILDING PERMITS KIND OF ALL SIMULTANEOUSLY AND THEY HAVE CONTACTS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. I'VE SPOKEN WITH THIS GENTLEMAN ABOUT THE FACT THAT H AND LPB THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF, UM, MEDIA EXPOSURE ABOUT THE GROUNDBREAKING AND HAVE THE PLAQUE INSTALLED TEMPORARILY FOR THIS EVENT OR RIBBON CUTTING, WHAT HAVE YOU, AND THEN TO TAKE IT BACK TO TOWN HALL TO OUR OFFICE WHILE ALL THE ACTIVITY AND CONSTRUCTION'S GOING ON, AND THEN ULTIMATELY INSTALL IT PERMANENTLY, UH, AT THE BACK END OF THE PROJECT. SO THEY'RE COMPLETELY ON BOARD WITH THAT. AND I'LL ADVISE YOU OF ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND TIMING I GET ON THAT. SO I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY TIME, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA BE AVAILABLE? I DO NOT AS OF YET. OKAY. HOW ABOUT HOW MANY HOUSES ARE THEY GONNA PUT ON THOSE THO? I BELIEVE NINE. OH, THAT'S NOT EIGHT OR NINE. YEAH. 'CAUSE THEY ONLY NEED A MIDDLE 5,000 SQUARE FEET. IT'S EITHER FIVE OR 7,501 OR THE OTHER. BUT IT IS INTERESTINGLY, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T THINK OF OKAY. YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA, HOW'S THERE THAT MUCH LAND. BUT YEAH, THESE FEW HOMES, AND THERE'S ANOTHER STRUCTURE ON THE NORTH SIDE, THERE WAS ACTUALLY THAT MUCH LAND TO DIVVY UP INTO EIGHT OR NINE LOTS. WOW. AND, UM, YEAH, IT REALLY WAS. SO IT'S GONNA BE A NICE NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, IN AN AFFORDABLE FASHION DOWN IN THAT NECK OF THE WOODS AND, AND REALLY GONNA BE A NICE IMPROVEMENT. SHE NEEDED SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OH YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OH, ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, AARON, WE HAVE TO MAKE, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE CONCEPT OF THIS RESOLUTION. IS THAT WHAT YOU ASKED ME TO DO? I WAS, WAIT, GO AHEAD. YES, I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A VOTE TO RECOMMEND. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THING THAT'S GOING BEFORE THE, THE TOWN BOARD, CORRECT? CORRECT. BETHEL KNOWS THAT YOU RECORD THAT THE, THE HISTORIC BOARD, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION CONDITIONS BE INCLUDED IN ANY, UM, APPROVALS, UH, DEMOLITION APPROVAL THAT THE, THE BOARD MAY WISH TO. UH, GRANT, WE CAN WORK, WE CAN [01:25:01] MASSAGE THE, UH, LANGUAGE AND WRITING. YEAH. AND WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, MAKING ANY OTHER CONDITIONS MAKING, UM, THE PLAQUE A PLAQUE PART OF THE CONDITIONS AS WELL? MM-HMM . YOU WANT TO HAVE A PLAQUE FOR, UH, AARON'S CEILING, PLAQUE FOR WHAT? TO ADD? AARON'S, AARON'S LOOK AT HIS CEILING. YEAH, I SEE HIS CEILING. THAT WAS MY WIFE . OKAY. DO WE NEED TO SPECIFY OR JUST SAY, OR WE'RE GONNA, WE NEED, WE'RE GOING TO, WE RESOLVE THAT, UM, ALL HOUSES, BUILDINGS, TREES, ET CETERA OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE. HAVE A PLAQUE. NO. WHAT? JUST GENERAL. JUST GENERAL. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THAT, WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AND, AND GET THAT. I GOTCHA. I GOTCHA. UM, AND AARON, YOU HAVE A, AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT A, THE KAY LINDEN PLAQUE COSTS, RIGHT? WE DO. AND HOW MANY WORDS ARE ON IT AND HOW BIG IT IS? YES. SO THAT'S THE REFERENCE POINT WE WOULD SAY IN THE, IN THE RANGE OF HOWEVER MANY HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS THAT COSTS. UH, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO IN THE MOTION OR THE VOTE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT WHEN WE HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS OR IF IT COMES UP AT THE TOWN BOARD LEVEL, I WILL COMMUNICATE WITH COMMISSIONER DUQUE. I THINK IT WAS ABOUT $4,000 THOUSAND. YES. NO, 1400. I THOUGHT. OH, WAS IT? I DON'T KNOW. IT'S, IT'S 4,000 WOULD BE A LOT. IT, IT, IT, IT WASN'T INEXPENSIVE AND THE GENTLEMAN WAS MORE THAN WILLING TO COVER THE COST. I CAN TELL YOU IT'S VERY HEAVY AND IT'S VERY BEAUTIFUL. UM, IT MAY BE IT WAS 1600 OR 1400, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY IN THE THOUSANDS. IT, IT WASN'T IN THE HUNDREDS. IT'LL, IT'LL LOOK VERY NICE IN YOUR LIVING ROOM. OKAY. . ALL RIGHT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION? THIS IS ALL FOE. IT'S NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, TIN FROM ST. MARY'S IN THE FIELD. THEY, THEY ALL SAY THAT , THEY'RE ACTUALLY FOAM. FUNNY ENOUGH. UM, YEAH. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, MAKE A RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE PLAQUES IN ALL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPORTANT APPLICATIONS THAT WORK FOR YOU? I DON'T PROCEED. I, I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE MOTION AND VOTE SPECIFIC TO BETHEL AT THIS TIME, BECAUSE WE WERE DISCUSSING THAT PROJECT. SO THE PLAQUE, THE DECONSTRUCTION, AND THEN, UM, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE GENERAL RECO RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD WITH RESPECT TO PLAQUE. WELL, HE'S GOING TO COME UP WHEN WE GENERALIZE THIS, WHY THIS WAS DRAFTED BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY IT, IT, IT SORT OF, IT'S WRITTEN IN THE PAST TENSE AS IF IT'S NO LONGER HERE. THE STRUCTURE WON'T BECAUSE I'M AFRAID IT'S GONNA BE DEMOLISHED. IT IS, IT, IT'S IT'S DRAFT. I'M, I'M SORRY. I WAS JUST GONNA SAY IT'S DRAFT LANGUAGE AND ULTIMATELY, WELL, I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WAS DONE WITH THE PLANNING BOARD IN PAYNE STREET WAS THAT H AND LP RECOMMENDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING BOARD CONDITION THAT A PLAQUE BE INSTALLED TO COMMEMORATE KAY LINDEN AND THAT THE APPLICANT WORK WITH H AND LPB TO COME UP WITH LANGUAGE OR EITHER WORK WITH OR DESIGNATED H AND LPB TO COME UP WITH LANGUAGE. SO WE WOULD FOLLOW A SIMILAR TRACK THERE, AND WE ALREADY HAVE DRAFT LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, FINESSED AND, AND, AND FINALIZED. OKAY. SO ALL I NEED IS THEN, UM, A RESOLUTION AT APPROVING OR ASKING FOR A PLAQUE TO, UM, IDENTIFY THE SIGNIFICANCE OF BETH EL KNOWLES AND THE DECONSTRUCTION SUGGESTIONS. YES. OH, RIGHT. PLUS, UH, ALL RIGHT. STICK THAT IN THE DECONSTRUCTION. YES. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT PLEASE? I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. OKAY. DO YOU, ARE THEY, THEY'RE TAKING DOWN, THEY'RE NOT TAKING DOWN THE WHOLE BUILDING, ARE THEY? THE WHOLE BUILDING? THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SEEKING? YES. UHHUH . I, I, AND SAME, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME FOR REGENER. I KNOW IT'S HELD OVER, BUT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS POTENTIAL HISTORIC SIGNAGE, RIGHT? YES. YES. ON THE, AT THE OCTOBER 13TH. YES. [01:30:01] VERY GOOD. UM, ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU. DO YOU WANNA WORK ON, DO YOU WANNA WORK ON THIS BLURB NOW OR DO YOU WANT, UM, MY THOUGHT WOULD MEETING NEXT WEEK. SO, LET'S SEE. I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE FOR THE BOARD TO DESIGNATE THE CHAIRPERSON AND OR VICE CHAIR TO WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION THAT CAN BE ADOPTED AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT WOULD, UNLESS YOU WANNA JUST HAMMER IT OUT NOW, BUT, UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO GIVE STAFF AND COUNSEL. SO I AGREE. A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO LOOK THAT OVER. I AGREE. WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS, DO WE, HOW LONG DO WE HAVE BEFORE WE NEED TO, UM, COME UP WITH THE, UM, FINAL DRAFT OF THE LANGUAGE FOR THE BETHEL KNOWLES PLAQUE? WELL, IF THE TOWN BOARD WERE TO ACCEPT THAT AND PUT IT INTO AS A CONDITION OF RESOLUTION, YOU WOULD HAVE PLENTY OF TIME BECAUSE AT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF FASTEST COURSE OF ACTION, UM, IF THINGS WERE TO MOVE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, THE TOWN BOARD WOULD CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON, UH, SEPTEMBER 23RD, THEN PUT IT ON FOR A DECISION IN OCTOBER. AND, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE FINALIZED AHEAD OF THE TOWN BOARD'S DECISION. IT WOULD BE SOMETIME AFTER THAT. THE CONDITION OF THE, WHAT? THE, I THINK THE BOARD'S REQUESTING IS THAT THE TOWN BOARD CONDITION SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE WITH PAIN. RIGHT. THAT A PLAQUE B YES. YOU KNOW, PAID FOR BY THE APPLICANT AND INSTALLED BY THE APPLICANT SUBJECT TO LANGUAGE REVIEW IN LANGUAGE TO BE APPROVED BY, BY H AND LPB AND PLACEMENT. CORRECT. I DON'T THINK ANY NEED TO FINALIZE LANGUAGE NOW. AGREED. CORRECT. AT ALL. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE ENOUGH AND, AND WE NEED A BETTER PHOTO ANYWAY. I, THAT'S A VERY OLD PHOTO. OKAY. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING MORE COME BEFORE US? I, I, NOT AT THIS TIME. GO AHEAD. UH, YES. APROPOS OF SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE THIS EVENING ABOUT OLD ARMY ROAD BEING SO HISTORIC AND AT VARIOUS OBJECTION PLACES, MAYBE YOU WANT TO CONSIDER A PLAQUES AND BA DESIGNATING OLD ARMY ROAD AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT. ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. MM-HMM . SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, UM, PREVIOUSLY BY THIS BOARD, AND THERE'S A, THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT GOES INTO CREATING A DISTRICT. UH, A GOOD FIRST STEP, WHICH MAYBE WE HADN'T THOUGHT OF BEFORE, WOULD BE A PLAQUE WE'D HAVE TO DISCUSS INTERNALLY, YOU KNOW, WHERE FUNDING FOR SUCH A PLAQUE WOULD COME FROM OR BE GENERATED FROM. UM, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS, MAYBE WELL, WE CAN TALK AT A FUTURE TIME ABOUT WHERE THAT FUNDING MIGHT COME FROM. THEN OBVIOUSLY PLACEMENT LANGUAGE, ET CETERA, IF THERE WAS MORE THAN ONE, UH, ONE ON EACH SIDE OF OLD ARMY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP IN TERMS OF DISTRICT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, IF THE BOARD'S INTERESTED, WHICH I KNOW THE BOARD HAS HAD INTEREST IN THE PAST, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULD MOVING FORWARD, IS TO MAYBE IF THINGS LIGHTEN UP, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO THE LATE FALL, EARLY WINTER, WE CAN DEDICATE AT LEAST HALF OF, AND MAYBE A FULL MEETING TOWARDS REALLY KEYING IN ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CREATION OF A DISTRICT SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE AND MAYBE EVEN START TO, UM, SPEAK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST SAY THERE ARE A DOZEN REQUIREMENTS AND DIVVYING THEM UP AMONGST BOARD MEMBERS WORKING WITH STAFF TO GATHER THE INFORMATION THAT'S NECESSARY IN ORDER TO PROPO WELL, REALLY WHAT IT IS, IS, UM, PROPOSING A NOMINATION OF A DISTRICT TO THE TOWN BOARD. THAT THAT'S THE PROCESS. OKAY. YEAH. THE, THE COST SHOULDN'T BE TOO DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DESIGNATING STRUCTURES. WE JUST THE DISTRICT FOR THE PLACEMENT OF PLAQUE. UH, WELL THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S YOUR WORDS. UM, I, I KNOW THAT THE BOARD HAS DISCUSSED [01:35:01] ACTUALLY INCLUDING PROPERTIES ALONG, UM, YOU KNOW, OLD ARMY ROAD, INCLUDING PRIVATE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY AND THE VARIOUS, UM, STRUCTURES THAT DATE BACK CENTURIES. I DIDN'T REALIZE I WAS GOING ON BASICALLY WHAT CARL WAS TALKING ABOUT, , LIKE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF LIKE THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND, AND FOR PLAQUE PURPOSES, I MEAN, I, THE STONE WALL, THE STONE WALLS AND THE ROAD, I, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT'S PROBABLY A SIGNIFICANTLY LIGHTER LIFT AND MIGHT BE A GOOD INTERIM MEASURE, RIGHT? SO IF WE COULD GET THE ROADWAY OR THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE WALLS DESIGNATED AND THEN PUT IN A PLA OR TWO, IT GETS US THAT MUCH CLOSER ABSOLUTELY. TO EXPANDING. SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD MEASURE. AND I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH ED MADELINE AND ANYONE ELSE TO KIND OF CONTINUE THE, ON CENTRAL AVENUE WHERE I GUESS IT'S BEST BUY WAS DALEWOOD OR PINE DALEWOOD, THAT TRAFFIC YEAH. THAT, THAT WALL HAS, HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER. WHICH WALL WAS COMING DOWN? NO, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A FEW ROCKS COMING OFF OF IT, BUT IT WAS REPAIRED BY SOMEBODY. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE WITH THE AR THE, THE, THE COLUMNS. UHHUH. . OH, THAT WAS FIXED AT SOME POINT IT WAS, BUT I THINK , NO, THEY NEVER FIXED IT. NO, THEY, THEY, THEY DID RESET. 'CAUSE I, I COORDINATED THAT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KIND OF LIKE THAT GATEWAY LOOKING WALL? YEAH. AT THE CORNER. I RESET THE CAPSTONE RECENTLY. SO THEY, NO, SO WHAT HA THEY RESET ONE OF THE CAPSTONES. SO I SAID, WELL, WHY WOULDN'T YOU RESET THE OTHER ONE? HE, AND WHAT HE TOLD ME IS THAT IF THEY LOOKED CLOSELY AT IT, THAT'S NOT, THERE'S EITHER A PIECE MISSING OR, UM, OR EVEN THOUGH IT'S THERE AND WOULD BE PRESUMED TO FIT RIGHT ON THERE, IT'S NOT AN EXACT MATCH. THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING. AND WHEN THEY WERE GONNA USE THE MACHINERY TO SET IT, IT DIDN'T JUST SET RIGHT ON. THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THERE. SO THEY STILL HAVE THE PIECE THERE AND THEY CLEANED UP THAT WHOLE AREA, IF YOU REMEMBER IT WAS VERY OVERGROWN. YEAH. PEOPLE WERE THROWING TRASH INTO IT AND THEY CLEANED IT, THEY SEEDED IT, THEY REMOVED ANY OF THE VINES AND DEAD VEGETATION. AND NOW IT'S A LOT MORE PRESENTABLE. IN FACT, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THEM. UM, IT WOULD, IT WAS A, I ASKED THEM ABOUT ME CONSIDERING LIKE PUTTING LIKE, LIKE LAMP POSTS, LIKE NOT POSTS, BUT LAMPS ON THE CAPS AND TO LIKE LIGHT IT UP AND IT WOULD BE VERY NICE LOOKING. I THINK REALLY WHAT YOU WOULD NEED ONLY IS LIKE SOLAR, SOLAR LIGHTS LIGHTING IT UP AT NIGHT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T START ADDING TO A HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT A GATEWAY TO ANYTHING ANYMORE, GOES TO THE URGENT CARE FOR GOODNESS. RIGHT. YOU CAN'T EVEN, BUT IF IT'S LIT UP AT NIGHT, IT WOULD BE A VERY NICE THING, BE A NICE FEATURE IN THE EVENING, YOU KNOW, TO SEE THAT BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROMINENT ALONG THE AVENUE NOW, ESPECIALLY THAT IT'S CLEANED UP THAT HAD A BEAUTIFUL, AND THE SOLAR LIGHTS DON'T COST ANYTHING GATEWAY TO THE URGENT CARE. YEAH, IT IS. WHAT WAS THAT? THE FRANK FARM? YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE. YOU HAVE TO COME UP. IS THAT PINEWOOD OR DALEWOOD? DALEWOOD. DALEWOOD. AND THEN YOU MADE, IT WAS THE WARBURG PROPERTY LEADING UP TO THE MANSION. THEY CALLED THE WHOLE AREA DALEWOOD. YES. RIGHT. OKAY. IF THERE'S NO , OKAY, I HAVE A GOOD CONTACT THERE BEFORE US. MAY I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT? OF COURSE. 'CAUSE IT SEEMS MAYBE RELEVANT. I JUST FOUND THE EMAIL WHERE DYLAN PINE MENTIONS THIS HISTORICAL SOCIETY. IT'S FROM LATE DECEMBER, 2023. HE WROTE IT TO ME, TO PETER DAVID STERN, WHO'S THE OWNER OF 2 21. OH, I KNOW WHO HE IS. UM, AND JUAN ROMAN, WHO APPARENTLY IS A LONG TIME RESIDENT, HE SAYS HE REFERS TO IT AS THE NASCENT EDGEMONT HISTORICAL SOCIETY. THIS WAS LATE DECEMBER OF 23. AND THEN HE INCLUDES A LINK, WHICH I JUST SENT AARON IN CASE HE WANTS TO SEND IT TO US, OF A BOX OF DOCUMENTS THAT APPARENTLY DYLAN SENT TO THE, UH, GREENBERG PUBLIC LIBRARY OF A NEWSLETTER CALLED EDGEMONT LEAVES FROM 1938 TO 1950. WOW. YEAH. AND IT'S FA FASCINATING. I'M REMEMBERING NOW THESE YEARS BACK WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, BUT IT ISN'T IN THE HISTORY ROOM THOUGH. SO IT'S, IT'S APPARENTLY NOW, UH, PART OF THE LOCAL HISTORY PAGE OF THE GREENBERG LIBRARY. UM, BUT, BUT AARON HAS A LINK NOW, AND IF YOU WANT TO SEND IT TO ALL OF US, MAYBE I WILL. I FIND IT INTERESTING. YEAH. UM, THEY'RE USING THE, UH, HISTORY ROOM FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT MM-HMM . UH, UH, CONVERSATIONS. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . BUT DO WE, WE NEED A MOTION TO, UM, ADJOURN. DISBAND. YEAH. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. YOU'RE WELCOME. MOVE, [01:40:01] MOVE, MOVE. YEAH. WE NEED A MOTION TO SECOND. OH. UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE MEETING? MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE MEETING. SECOND, PLEASE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. CHAIR VOTES. AYE. GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. GOODNIGHT EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.