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          OH, WELCOME TO OUR TOWN BOARD WORK SESSION. UM, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE BUDGET SEASON, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, OR MOST OF THEM, BETWEEN NOW AND OCTOBER 30TH WHEN THE BUDGET IS DUE. AND THEN, UM, THE TOWN AFTER I PRESENT THE PROPOSED BUDGET TO THE TOWN BOARD. THE TOWN BOARD HAS UNTIL DECEMBER 20TH TO ADOPT A FINAL BUDGET. UM, AND CAN MAKE CHANGES. SO FIRST WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE RECEIVER OF TAXES. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.. IS JULIE ON? HERE. 
          ARE PEOPLE PAYING THEIR TAXES? OH, YES. CAN WE JUST WITH A SMILE THAT, UM. COUNCILWOMAN JOY HABER IS ATTENDING REMOTELY. SHE IS ATTENDING BY ZOOM, BUT WE HAVE A QUORUM. UH, IN PLACE HERE. WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON, COUNCILMAN SHEEHAN. 
          COUNCILWOMAN ELLEN HENDRICKS, AND SUPERVISOR FEINER. 
          AND IF WE DON'T COLLECT, A WHICH CONSTITUTES. 
          A QUORUM AND. OKAY. 
          CLERK. YES, I SAID. UM, NEXT, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM VINITA HOWARD, WHO IS OUR RECEIVER OF TAXES. YOU'RE LIKE THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON BECAUSE IF WE DON'T COLLECT THE TAXES, THEN, UH, THE BUDGET DOESN'T. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. 
          YES. SO WE HAVE TO BE NICE TO. 
          YOU. YES. WELL, I'VE BEEN COLLECTING THOSE TAXES. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M ASSUMING EVERYONE HAS IT. MY BUDGET DIDN'T CHANGE THAT MUCH. EVERYTHING IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. I ELIMINATED, UM, A POSITION OFFICE ASSISTANT AND DECIDED TO, UM. I HAVE A PART TIME INSTEAD OF HAVING A FULL TIME OFFICE ASSISTANT, SO I ELIMINATED THAT FROM THE BUDGET. OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. SO DID YOU CONVERT YOUR FULL TIME POSITION INTO A PART TIME POSITION? NO, I HAD A PART TIME POSITION ALREADY. I ALREADY HAD IT. AND YOU JUST. AND I JUST ELIMINATED THE FULL TIME POSITION. YES. 
          AND YOU WON'T NEED IT AGAIN. NOT RIGHT NOW. SO I DON'T I WOULD I DON'T WANT TO REMOVE IT FROM LIKE, UM, LIKE LIKE THE COUNTY. NO, WE DON'T NEED THAT POSITION. BUT I'M JUST NOT HIRING RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT GOING TO FUND IT RIGHT NOW. YES. 
          SO WHAT LINE WOULD THAT BE? BECAUSE THAT WAS IN THE SALARY LINE. $10,000 IN IT. 
          RIGHT. IT WAS. 
          A FULL TIME. IT WAS A FULL TIME POSITION. IT WAS IN THE SALARY LINE, WHICH IT'S NOT BROKEN DOWN HERE. 
          OH. GREAT. 
          GOOD. ANY CONTROVERSY? NO CONTROVERSY? NOPE. I THINK WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH SALT, I THINK WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH SALARIES, THOUGH, THAT IF THERE'S CHANGES, WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE PAGE THAT SHOWS THE ACTUAL TITLES FOR THE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE WE WOULD NEVER KNOW, LOOKING AT THIS, THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE. OKAY. I MEAN, THERE'S A FULL SALARY SCHEDULE. I CAN DISTRIBUTE BECAUSE. 
          THERE'S 3% INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD, PLUS STEP INCREASES. 
          CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE LOUDER? IT WASN'T ON REPEAT IT AGAIN. 
          OKAY. SO THERE'S A SALARY SCHEDULE THAT WE MAINTAIN FOR THE BUDGET THAT HAS 3% INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD, WHICH THE SUPERVISOR IS PROPOSING, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, CONTRACTUAL INCREASES AND MANAGEMENT. AND ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S STEP INCREASES. AND THERE'S ALSO LONGEVITY PAY. SO, UM, I MEAN, I CAN DISTRIBUTE THE ENTIRE SALARY SCHEDULE TO THE BOARD. OR AS FAR AS WHAT WE HAVE IN THE BUDGET. NOW IS EACH DEPARTMENT IS BROKEN DOWN BY THEIR TITLES AND WHAT HOW MUCH THEY'RE GOING TO IT. THAT SHOULD REFLECT THAT. THERE WAS A PART TIME LINE, NOT FUNDED, A FULL TIME LINE NOT FUNDED, AND A PART TIME LINE THAT'S FUNDED. 
          OKAY. THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THE MODULE. I CAN PROBABLY PRINT THAT. YES. OKAY. YEAH. GOOD. OKAY. 
          THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. 
          WHY DID THE MEMBERSHIP DUES GO UP? OH, THAT WAS THAT'S THE ORGANIZATION. 
          THE ORGANIZATION? THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS. UM, OUR MEMBERSHIP FEES WENT UP. YES. THEY DOUBLE FOR THE FOR THE RECEIVER AND THE DEPUTY. YES THEY DID. 
          GREAT. OKAY. DOUBLE. SORRY. GO AHEAD, GO AHEAD. 
          I GUESS WE'RE IN A RUSH. I'M JUST TRYING TO. 
          GO, I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. SO IT PRETTY MUCH. IT DOUBLED. 
          I DON'T KNOW. OKAY, SO YOU SAID THIS. THE THE DOUBLE AMOUNT IS THE INCREASE OF FEES. YES. MEMBERSHIP FEES. MEMBERSHIP FEES. MHM. FOR MYSELF AND MY DEPUTY. 
          AND SO EACH. SO HOW MUCH IS EACH. 
          IS 400 FOR THE RECEIVER AND 300 FOR THE DEPUTY. 
          GOTCHA. AND WHAT WAS IT BEFORE. 
          IT WAS 350. YEAH. WE WERE WAY UNDER. IT WAS TWO 150 FOR THE 
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DEPUTY.. AND THE SERVICE CONTRACTS WENT UP SLIGHTLY TO, UH. YES, 25%. YES. I'M GOING TO. WE WILL GOING WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE EMAIL PROGRAM INTO THE TAX SYSTEM. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO EMAIL THE TAX BILLS. 
          OKAY. SO THAT WAS THAT INCREASE. 
          WHAT ORGANIZATION IS THE DUES TO. 
          THE NEW YORK'S THE ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS. THE TAX RECEIVERS ASSOCIATION THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY. 
          WE'RE PART OF THAT AS WELL. THIS IS THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY, OUR LOCAL WESTCHESTER COUNTY. ALL THE LOCAL. THE LOCAL. 
          YES. OKAY. I'M SORRY TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. 
          YES. OKAY. GOING BACK TO. SO WE'LL EMAIL IN ADDITION TO SENDING BY SNAIL MAIL. 
          YES. SO IT'S A DOUBLE WHAMMY. 
          IF FOLKS. RIGHT. AND IT COULD BE EITHER OR. BUT AS RIGHT NOW IT'LL BE IT'LL. BE BOTH. SO LET ME JUST JUST JUST JUST THINKING. IS THERE ANY IS THERE A WAY THAT RESIDENTS CAN OPT OUT OF HAVING THAT EMAIL OPT OUT, HAVING THAT MAIL. YOU KNOW, HOW. ABOUT HAVING. 
          THE MAIL? MAIL. YOU KNOW HOW WE GET THAT OFFER SO WE CAN BECAUSE THAT WOULD THEN REDUCE THE THE POST, HOW MUCH. 
          WE SEE THEM TRYING. YES. OKAY. 
          OKAY. SO YOU ONLY BUT YOU ONLY READ OKAY. SO SO FOR YOUR POSTAGE YOU HAD 22 AND THEN AND THEN YOU. WHY. TO INCREASE THEIR. WORDS. POSTAGE. POSTAGE IS NOT ME. UH. DON'T KNOW. UM, PRINTING ALL THAT. I THINK THAT'S PRINTING. 
          OH. UH HUH. SO THAT'S INCREASING. 
          THAT'S THE PRINTING OF THE, THAT'S THE NORMAL INCREASE OF THE TAXES, THE PRINTING AND THE MAILING OF THE TAX BILLS. MHM. 
          THE ENVELOPES. HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING INCREASE JUST ON THE ENVIRONMENT TODAY WITH ALL THE TARIFFS AND ALL THAT STUFF. IS THAT, IS THAT AFFECTING YOU AS FAR AS THE INCREASE. NO THAT'S NOT AFFECTING ME NOW. 
          AND THAT'S ALL I GOT. THAT'S GOOD. SO POSTAGE IS SOMEWHERE ELSE. POSTAGE IS YES LIKE I DO GET POSTAGE. BUT POSTAGE COMES FROM ANOTHER LINE. 
          SO WHERE WOULD THAT LINE BE. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE STAMPS WENT UP. RIGHT? JUST THINKING. SHE'S LOOKING. NO, IT'S NOT ON MY LINE AT ALL. 
          IT'S IN THE OTHER. IT'S AN IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, IT'S RIGHT BELOW. I DON'T KNOW IF. IT'S IN A. 
          DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT. DEPARTMENTS, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. THAT'S NOT MY DEPARTMENT. 
          POSTAGE POST. I DON'T KNOW HOW POSTAGE IS HANDLED, BUT WHEN I DO MY REQUISITION, YOU KNOW, I PUT THE POSTAGE IN. 
          BUT WHY WOULDN'T A DEPARTMENT WHY WOULDN'T EACH DEPARTMENT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE POSTING? SO WE CAN JUST KEEP TRACK? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WE CAN CONTROL. WHY THE CHART WAS SET UP THAT WAY, BUT I CAN LOOK AT IT. OH, OKAY. YEAH. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT'S EACH ONE SPENDING. MAKES SENSE. OKAY. 
          OKAY. SO YOU THINK YOUR POSTAGE IS SITTING IN WHO'S BUDGET THE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MY POSTAGE. WHERE DOES IT COME FROM? IT MIGHT BE A GENERAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNT. YEAH. 
          SO. RIGHT. GENERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          SO WHICH YOU CAN BREAK DOWN BY DEPARTMENT. 
          YES YES.. YES YES. 
          REQUISITION IS DONE. OKAY. 
          THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT GO TO GENERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE ALLOCATE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          SO IS THERE ANY WAY GOING FORWARD THAT WE COULD PUT LIKE ASTERISK. SO WE KNOW WHICH ONE OF THOSE ACCOUNTS FALL INTO UNDER THAT CATEGORY. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          YEAH. I'LL TRY TO, UM, EARMARK THEM GOING FORWARD ON THE BUDGETS. IF IT'S SOMETHING FOR GENERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          OKAY. I'M ALL SET. OKAY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE GARRETT? HE PARTICIPATING? HELLO? YEAH. HI, EVERYONE. MY CONNECTION KEEPS GOING IN AND OUT. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. SOMETIMES IT'S JUST BEEN FREEZING UP, SO I'M TRYING MY BEST TO FOLLOW IT. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. KIMBERLY SENT OUT THE THE DOCUMENTATION. THE BACKUP. 
          JOYCE. SO YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M SURE YOU CAN ASK HER. 
          YEAH, YEAH, I'M IN THE CAR. I DID SEE THAT, BUT I CAN'T PULL IT UP WHILE I'M. YEAH, BUT, I MEAN, YOU CAN DO THAT TOMORROW OR ANOTHER DAY. YEAH. NO I KNOW. YEAH. OKAY. 
          THIS CAR COMING. OKAY. I BELIEVE GARRETT WAS JUMPING ON BY ZOOM. I DON'T SEE HIM ON. I DON'T SEE HIM. OTHERWISE. UH, WE COULDN'T. 
          SEE HIM. NO, HE'S IN PERSON. 
          OH, THERE HE IS. HE APPEARS. 
          OKAY. SO, UH, WE'RE GOING OVER THE BUDGET, AND MAYBE YOU COULD TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES OR WHATEVER. YEAH, SURE. UH. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, 
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GARRETT DUQUESNE, COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION. JUST FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT US, IN SHORT, WE ARE A SIX STAFF DEPARTMENT, ALL FULL TIME, INCLUDING A FORESTRY OFFICER, AND WE STAFF THE ZONING BOARD, PLANNING BOARD AND TOWN BOARD. AND ONE OF THE MAJOR FUNCTIONS OF OUR DEPARTMENT IS TO ASSIST WITH PROJECT PROPOSALS AND EITHER RESIDENTS OR BUSINESSES SEEK TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS OR MODIFY THEIR PROJECTS. WE ALSO LIAISON WITH THE PUBLIC IN THAT REGARD AND HOST ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE TOWN WEBSITE AND UM, FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WITH THE BOARDS. AND I WOULD CONSIDER THAT ON THE REACTIVE SIDE OF OUR PLANNING FUNCTIONS. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE PROACTIVE SIDE OF OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, WE, UH, APPLY FOR GRANTS AND WE SEEK GRANTS, OFTENTIMES WITH TRANSPORTATION, UM, SOME ENVIRONMENTAL BASED HISTORIC PRESERVATION. AND THEN ALSO THE DEPARTMENT HAS A DISTINCT ROLE TO BE PROACTIVE AND UPDATE ZONING ORDINANCES TO DO THINGS LIKE ENSURE THAT OUR MIXED USE CORRIDORS HAVE A VIABLE SET OF USES SO THAT VACANCIES ARE MINIMIZED. AND, UH, THAT TYPE OF EFFORT IS EVIDENCED IN THINGS LIKE THE CHAPTER 285 AMENDMENTS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE OVERHAUL. AND HISTORICALLY, THE DEPARTMENT HAS OVERSAW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND WILL BE OVERSEEING THE FUTURE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, IN TERMS OF THE OPERATING BUDGET, WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLY VIA A SLIGHT REDUCTION FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. SO THAT'S REFLECTED THERE. UM, OUR BUDGET YEAR TO YEAR, THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH VARIABILITY. I WOULD SAY THAT THE THINGS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE DEPARTMENT, UH, THE, THE CONFERENCE AND TRAINING LINE, AS I MENTIONED, WE ASSIST THE PLANNING BOARD, THE ZONING BOARD AND THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, HISTORIC BOARD. UM, FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE. I KNOW THAT THAT'S A VERY MEANINGFUL LINE TO THOSE BOARDS. AND THEY'VE GONE TO CONFERENCES AND WHATNOT. SO WE DO APPRECIATE THAT. AND I'M ACTUALLY SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THOSE BOARD MEMBERS WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY. UM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOMETIMES OPPORTUNITIES OR GRANTS THAT ARISE MID YEAR THAT ARE UNFORESEEN, DON'T HAVE CRYSTAL BALL. SO WE DO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF LIKE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CALL REQUESTED PROJECTS. UM, AND ONE CLASSIC EXAMPLE IS UH, FOR INSTANCE, IN THE YEAR LAST YEAR, 2025, THE OPPORTUNITY AROSE FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG TO SEEK BRONZE CERTIFICATION THROUGH CLIMATE SMART COMMUNITIES. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE ARE NOT AWARE OF, BUT WE BECAME AWARE OF MIDYEAR HAVING THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE $60,000, WHICH WAS APPROVED VIA RESOLUTION TO HIRE AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT TO HELP THE TOWN APPLY FOR THAT CERTIFICATION, WHICH, BY THE WAY, WE DID GET, UM, WORK WITH YOU ON BLAST THERE. UM, BUT THAT IS IMPORTANT FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE AS OPPOSED TO UNDERSTANDING THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES AND COMING TO THE TOWN BOARD MID-YEAR. AND I GUESS SEEKING MONEY FROM LIKE THE GENERAL FUND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR CONTINGENCY, WHICH IS I KNOW, SOMETHING THE TOWN BOARD, UM, LOOKS TO AVOID AND FROWNS UPON. SO, UM, IN THAT REGARD, UH, THAT'S, I GUESS A VERY HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF, UH, CD. AND WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN THE LINE FOR CONSULTANTS LIKE THAT? UH, 200,000? AND ONE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAD WITH THE REVITALIZATION OF EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, YOU KNOW, THE NEW SUPERMARKET, UH, IS GOING TO BE YOU HAVE A NEW SUSHI STORE OR A DELI THAT'S GOING TO OPEN UP SOON. UM, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE, LIKE, A PART TIME PERSON WHO COULD WORK ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITIES SORT OF LIKE THE DOBBS FERRY HAS THE DOBBS FERRY FESTA HASTINGS HAS A MONTHLY STREET FAIRS. IT WAS REALLY NICE AND HARD TO, YOU KNOW, IN HARTSDALE. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD MUSIC AT THE OPENING OF THE SUPERMARKET. I WOULD CALL IN DOWNTOWN ADVOCATE. YEAH, LIKE A DOWNTOWN ADVOCATE WHO COULD BE PART TIME, WHO COULD ORGANIZE A COUPLE EVENTS. 
          AND SO IT'S ONLY FOR EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE. IT WOULD NOT BE FOR ALL OF UNINCORPORATED. WELL, IT COULD BE FOR WE COULD DO YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO BOTH. YOU KNOW, WE COULD TAKE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE TOWN. WE COULD DO 119. WE COULD DO SOME OLD RIVER ROAD. YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND WHATEVER CENTRAL AVENUE. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WAS SORT OF THINKING WITH EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE THAT IT'S SORT OF LIKE A IT'S AN EASY AREA TO 
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HAVE EVENTS ON BECAUSE IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE STREET IS ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S SORT OF LIKE A DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING IT FOR THE WHOLE BUSINESS. 
          I JUST THINK THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO FOR ONE SECTION OF TOWN, WE SHOULD DO ACROSS. THE BOARD. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. YEAH. 
          I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD WAIT TO SEE IF WE HAVE MONEY FOR ALL THESE ADDITIONAL SPENDING. NO, I'M JUST I'M JUST ASKING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK. SO? OF COURSE I THINK THERE'S VALUE TO IT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. IT'S, UM. MY ONLY CONCERN WOULD BE MORE HOW TIME CONSUMING IT WOULD BE TO THE DEPARTMENT. WE, UM, WE GRIND EVERY DAY, AND THERE'S MINIMAL HOURS TO. SO I IT PROVIDED IT DIDN'T TAKE A LOT OF OUR TIME TO MANAGE THAT PERSON HYPOTHETICALLY. IT COULD WORK, BUT WE REALLY HAVE MINIMAL FLEXIBILITY TO DO OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE DO RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH, I WOULD RATHER SEE SOMEONE WHO WOULD BE HELPFUL IN IMPLEMENTING GRANTS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE GET GRANT MONEYS AND BECAUSE THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS SO STRETCHED, UM, TO, TO ADD ANOTHER RESPONSIBILITY, BECAUSE THERE IS SOME OVERSIGHT AND IMPLEMENTATION FOR STREET FAIRS AND SO FORTH THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN. SO I, I'M EMPATHETIC TO THAT, COMMISSIONER, BUT I THINK THAT IMPLEMENTATION OF GRANTS THAT WE GET CAN BE MORE OF A BENEFIT TO YOU TO LIGHTEN THE LOAD. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE A FEASIBLE IDEA? I DO, UM, TO THE EXTENT. I. 
          TO THE UM. SO THIS CDC DOES MANAGE THE TAP GRANTS AS WELL AS THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANTS. UM, WE'RE NAVIGATING THOSE SUCCESSFULLY. UM, YEAH, YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, BUT IT. 
          IS TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL. I WOULD HAVE CONCERN THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO THAT. AND I'M SAYING THAT, UM, NOTING THAT THERE'S ANOTHER TAP GRANT THAT COULD BE AWARDED AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. UM, SO THE GRANTS WE HAVE OUT THERE, I DO FEEL LIKE THE CDC WILL MANAGE IF THEY'RE RECEIVED. UM, BUT FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE'S OTHER GRANTS THAT ARE, SAY, FLOODING MITIGATION BASED, UM, I CD AND SEE WOULD NOT HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. SO I DO THINK EITHER UM, OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR UH, CONSULTANTS WOULD BE HELPFUL IN THAT REGARD. 
          YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE, BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT ON OCCASION WE'VE GOTTEN GRANTS AND NOT NECESSARILY ADMINISTERED BY YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN GRANTS THAT HAVE GONE UNFULFILLED. UM, BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE THE IMPLEMENTATION, UM, FUNCTION IN PLACE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. AND AGAIN, I WOULDN'T SAY IT WAS YOUR DEPARTMENT NECESSARILY, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING OR A POSITION THAT COULD CROSS BOUNDARIES FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. IT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 
          YEAH. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY THAT ARE LIKE IN DEFAULT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT UM, THERE'S A LOT OF GRANTS OUT THERE. NO. 
          I KNOW I'M JUST SENSITIVE TO THE HEARING THAT YOU SAY THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO ON THAT TAKE ON THAT EXTRA PERSON ONLY BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY THAT YOU HAVE. AND WHAT I AM MINDFUL OF, I DON'T YOU'RE ALREADY STRETCHED THIN. 
          IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT MORE MORE ON YOUR PLATE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE TO. SO IF YOU ARE SAYING TO US THAT YOU CAN'T HANDLE THAT AND YOU KNOW AS FAR AS THE MANAGEMENT OF IT, THEN WHEN THAT TIME COMES AND IF YOU NEED IT, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT MORE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO WENDELL DRESS IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW YOU KNOW HOW YOUR DEPARTMENT IS RUNNING. WE DON'T NONE OF US KNOW HOW YOUR DEPARTMENT RUNNING, BUT YOU. SO YOU YOU HAVE TO GUIDE US IN THAT PERSPECTIVE. BUT BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT I WAS THINKING IS NOT TO PUT MORE OF A BURDEN ON YOU OR YOUR DEPARTMENT. BUT BASICALLY, IF WE HIRED AN ACTIVITIES COORDINATOR AND EVEN A PART TIME AND WE SAY ORGANIZE 2 OR 3 THINGS, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AND, YOU KNOW, WE SAY, OKAY, YOU COULD DO IT TOWARDS 11 YEAR OR YOU COULD DO DOWNTOWN AREA, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SOMETHING ON THAT ONE. 19 YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING CREATIVE. IT WOULD BE THAT PERSON'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO EVERYTHING FROM A TO Z. UM, YOU KNOW, THE HASTINGS OCTOBERFEST WAS A ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND YOU WERE THERE. IT WAS AMAZING. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THERE. THE DOBBS FERRY FEST GETS ABOUT 10,000 PEOPLE, UM, A YEAR AND. HUGE AMOUNT OF COORDINATION, NOT JUST ONE PERSON'S WORD. NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING. BUT 
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BUT WE HAVE VOLUNTEER A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S AN ACTIVITIES COORDINATOR WHO'S DONE THAT, THAT PERSON COULD BASICALLY INVOLVE, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY TO COMPLEMENT WHAT THAT PERSON WOULD, WOULD BE DOING. SO, UH, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I DON'T FEEL THAT IF WE DO IT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD YOU COULD BASICALLY JUST GIVE A LITTLE ADVICE, BUT IT WOULD BE THE ED PROJECT. YOU KNOW. YOU NEED TO MANAGE TO. LEAD THAT. WE'VE GOT TO MANAGE THEM. AND. 
          YOU KNOW. YEAH, I JUST I JUST FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SAW THE OPENING, I WAS AT THE OPENING OF THE EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, YOU KNOW, LIKE EVERY DAY FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. AND THEY HAD MUSIC OUTSIDE, UM, THE SUPERMARKET. AND PEOPLE LOVED IT. THERE WAS LIKE A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM THIS THERE WAS PROBABLY MORE TRAFFIC ON EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE THIS PAST WEEK SINCE THE SUPERMARKET OPENED THAN AT ANY TIME IN 100 YEARS OR SOMETHING. I SAID, SINCE GEORGE WASHINGTON, WE WERE THERE. YES. WELL, WE WERE THERE, I KNOW, BUT BUT THAT'S GREAT. IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'RE GETTING STREET TRAFFIC AND, UH, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WAYS OF MAKING EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE AND THE OTHER STREETS COME ALIVE, THE BUSINESS AREA. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, ONE OF YOUR SUCCESSES IS THAT IF YOU LOOK ON CENTRAL AVENUE, MOST OF THE MAJOR BUSINESSES, MOST OF THE MAJOR, UM, UM, UH, RETAIL, YOU KNOW, THE SHOPPING CENTERS ARE FULL OR WE HAVE FEWER VACANCIES NOW THAN I BET YOU WE'VE HAD IN YEARS. SO THAT'S A COMPLIMENT TO YOU. PLUS, WE'RE GETTING REALLY QUALITY, UH, BUSINESSES COMING IN, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, SPROUTS, WHETHER IT'S BARNES AND NOBLES, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S SO MUCH REALLY GREAT STUFF THAT I. 
          FEEL THE INCREASE. WILL CREATE MOMENTUM. THAT'S JUST MY FEELING. DO YOU HAVE THAT? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY NEW BUSINESS HAS COME IN SINCE COVID? BECAUSE I KNOW WE WENT OUT. I'M SORRY. GARY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? YEAH, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFICS ON THE DATA, BUT WE DO HAVE INFORMATION THAT WE COULD PULL TOGETHER AND PROVIDE. 
          THAT PROVIDE THAT. LIKE, WE CAN JUST SEE THAT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR. YEAH. YEAH, SURE. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          GETTING BACK TO THE BUDGET. UM, THE ACCRUED TIME. 
          BEFORE WE GET BACK TO THE PRACTICE, BEFORE WE GET BACK TO THE BUDGET, CAN I JUST ADD ONE THING TO THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE CHAMBER, GET MORE INVOLVED WITH SOME OF THESE KINDS OF EVENTS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, ESTABLISHED, LIKE MAYBE AN EVENT COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO WORK ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. YEAH. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS THEIR MISSION. BUT I THINK. 
          I THINK IF YOU HAD A PROFESSIONAL, UM, UH, ACTIVITIES COORDINATOR WHO, WHO DOES THIS AND HAS HAD SUCCESSES IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, THAT PERSON COULD ALMOST HELP ORGANIZE IT. SO I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A FULL TIME POSITION. I'M LOOKING FOR MAYBE SOMEBODY WHO WOULD BE A PART TIME OR WHO WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK ON THIS AND WE GET THE RIGHT PERSON. UM, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY WHO HAS EXPERIENCE MAYBE DOING THIS IN THE RIVER VILLAGES, UM, WHICH HAS HAD TREMENDOUS SUCCESSES. THEY WOULD COME. AND WE DO HAVE STUFF FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE THAT, WHO HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST, BUT I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FOR MORE THAN WE HAVE BUDGETED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WE HAVE TO LOOK AGAIN AND SEE IF THERE WOULD BE A PART OF I. WE DON'T LIKE TO SAY WE DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THEY HAVE. OKAY. RIGHT. IT'S AND IT'S NOT JUST THE POSITION THAT WILL COST, IT WILL BE THE EVENTS THAT WILL COST TOO. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T REALLY PROJECT AT THIS AT THIS POINT. SO IT IS SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO CONSIDER. BUT I THINK WHEREVER WE CAN WORK TO GET MONEY IN, UM, WOULD BE GREAT. AND THAT ESPECIALLY IS IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF ADMINISTERING GRANTS AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE IMPLEMENTED PROPERLY. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO FOR ACCRUED TIME LAST YEAR IT WAS 11,907. VERY SPECIFIC NUMBER. UM AND SO THAT'S WHAT IT'S PROJECTED FOR THIS YEAR AS WELL. BUT SO FAR WE'VE ONLY, UM, SPENT $921 OUT OF THAT DOES THAT. BECAUSE WE'RE EXPECTING AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO PAY OUT THE. YES. SO ANY UNUSED, UM, PERSONAL DAYS. SO EVERYONE GETS THREE DAYS PERSONAL. IF THEY DON'T USE IT, THEY GET PAID OUT. UM, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE DEPARTMENT, THAT NUMBER WILL BE LARGER. AND ALSO THERE ARE SOME, I THINK, CONTRACTUAL, UM, PAYOUTS FOR COMP TIME. 
          RIGHT. UM. 
          AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE TRUE FOR THE OTHER THINGS LIKE LONGEVITY AND YES. SO THAT'S ALL DONE AT THE END OF THE YEAR. YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN KNOWING THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING INCREASES AND THEIR PAYOUT IS WORTH MORE, HOW CAN THE 2027 NUMBER BE EXACTLY THE SAME. VERY SPECIFIC NUMBER $11,907. UH. 
          WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM. 
          WELL .. THE THE DEPARTMENT HAS ENTERED THOSE NUMBERS. UH, I 
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WOULD THINK MAYBE THEY CONSULTED WITH. 
          UH, PAYROLL. LET ME REVISIT, MAKE SURE WE COUNT FOR THE YEAR TO YEAR INFLATION. AND I'M LOOKING AT GAS, GREASE AND OIL. 
          WE HAVE AN EV SO WE CAN GO DOWN TO ZERO ON THAT. 
          THAT'S THAT'S MY NEXT ONE. YOU HAVE 600,000. 
          ACTUALLY THE GREASE PART. RIGHT. 
          SO PRE-WAR YOU HAD ALLOCATED FOR THE GAS GREASE AND OIL $600. AND NOW YOU THINK IN 2027 WE'RE GOING TO GET THE SAME. I DON'T THINK SO. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN EXACTLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. NO GAS. 
          OH AGAIN GREASE. GASOLINE. UM, IT'S BASICALLY MAINTENANCE OF THE CAR. YEAH. I DO HAVE AN ANSWER ON THE POSTAGE. THE POSTAGE GOES TO CENTRAL SERVICES AND THE A FUND. YES. 1610. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          BUT WE ARE ABLE TO SEE THE BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY WHO SPEND AND WHAT. WELL, I'D HAVE TO RUN A JAIL DETAIL. I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. SURE. 
          AND THE CONSULTANTS ALSO. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ENDS UP ACCRUING TO THE END OF THE YEAR? BECAUSE THAT'S A 200,000 IS IN THE BUDGET ACROSS THE BOARDS. BUT THE ACTUAL SO FAR IS 84, 303. YEAH, THAT GOES BACK. WHATEVER WE DON'T USE AND EVERYTHING IS APPROVED BY RESOLUTION, OF COURSE. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST BEING IN CASE WE CAN UM, WE FIND WE NEED A CONSULTANT. 
          SO 5190 PART TIME. UH, IT WAS PROJECTED BUDGETED IN 2026 FOR $50,000. THAT WAS THE PROJECTED ALSO FOR THIS YEAR. UH, SO FAR, THERE'S NOTHING SPENT IN THAT LINE. IS THAT YOU JUST HAVEN'T USED THE PART TIME PERSON. YEAH, LIKE SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE, UM, BRONZE CERTIFICATION CONSULTANT, THAT ULTIMATELY WAS A CONSULTANT INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR AS OPPOSED TO A PART TIME STAFF. IT'S IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT WE WILL BRING ON PART TIME STAFF. 
          OH, I SEE, SO YOU ANTICIPATED TO USE A PART TIME PERSON TO DO THAT BRONZE CERTIFICATION LAST TIME LAST YEAR? NOT NECESSARILY. UM. WASN'T DIDN'T GARRETT SAY THAT THAT CAME ABOUT? HE MID-YEAR. WAS MID-YEAR. 
          WASN'T PLANNED. YEAH. 
          SO YOU'LL NEVER NEED IT. YOU DON'T YOU'LL NEVER HAVE A NEED FOR A PART. TIME LIKE. 
          RESOURCE. HYPOTHETICALLY, IF, UH, LIKE THE EXAMPLE THAT THE SUPERVISOR MADE, TO THE EXTENT THAT WAS A PART TIME STAFF PERSON WITH, LIKE, A TOG EMAIL AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, THAT'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE FOR. UM. 
          I GUESS, ARE WE ARE WE LOOKING AT $50,000 GOING BACK INTO FUND BALANCE? OH FOR SURE. 
          NO NOT NO.. THIS YEAR. 
          YES. THIS YEAR. 
          YES. IF IT IS $11,000 BECAUSE HE HAS HE'S ASKING FOR 39. SO WHEN HE PUT HIM BACK NO. NO DIFFERENCE. OH WHEN WE CLOSE THE BOOKS THIS YEAR IT'LL. BE THIS YEAR. 
          LOOKING AT. OH OKAY. OKAY. THAT WILL GO ON UTILIZED RIGHT. 
          AND GOOD PROBABILITY THE 30,000 WILL GO ON UTILIZED. 
          CAN YOU CLARIFY REQUESTED PROJECTS. AND AND AGAIN THE BIG DIFFERENTIAL FROM ACTUAL TO PROJECTED COSTS. 
          YES. SO FOR EXAMPLE CAN I JUST CHECK ON CAPITAL. MAKE SURE I GET THIS RIGHT. CENTRAL AVENUE TAB GRANT. RIGHT. WE APPLIED WITH THE CFA CYCLE THIS LAST JULY. SO THAT'S CENTRAL AVENUE SIDEWALK GAPS. IF THAT GRANT IS FUNDED WHICH WE WOULD FIND OUT POTENTIALLY IN DECEMBER. WE DON'T KNOW. WE'RE HOPEFUL. WE HOPE WE GET THE GRANT. BUT IF IT IS INDEED FUNDED, THE COSTS IN THAT YEAR WILL BE 20% OF THE DESIGN COSTS. SO LET'S JUST SAY THAT THAT CAME OUT TO. 100,000 OR 150,000. THIS AVOIDS PROPOSING CAPITAL BUDGET THAT GOES UNUSED. 
          RIGHT. SO IT'S JUST A PROJECTED NUMBER BASED ON WHAT POTENTIALLY MAY BE IN THE ON THE OFF RAMP FOR. 
          THE AND ALSO ONLY SUBJECT TO TOWN BOARD APPROVAL. IT SEEMS TO ME MORE PRUDENT TO UTILIZE THIS AND GIVE IT BACK. IF I HAVE THIS AND GIVE IT BACK IF IT'S NOT UTILIZED AS OPPOSED TO, UM, PUTTING IT IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET, HAVING IT BONDED, AND THEN THE GRANT DOESN'T GET FUNDED. THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES LIKE THAT. YEAH, YEAH. NO, THAT MAKES 
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SENSE TO ME. WHAT? YOU JUST. THINK YOU WANT THE BOARD TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE JUST THE REQUESTS OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE CHANGES BEFORE I, BEFORE I MAKE A PRESENTATION. THIS IS THE WISH LIST. YES. I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH IT NOW. 
          BECAUSE NORMALLY BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US, IT'S AFTER AFTER, UM. PAST WISHLIST. 
          STAGE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE CAUGHT MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES. SO I HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT AND THEN I'LL GO OVER IT WITH THE SUPERVISOR BEFORE PRESENTATION. IF YOU SAID TO YOURSELF, HYPOTHETICALLY, THIS REALLY NEEDS TO COME DOWN 30,000. 
          I WOULD WIPE IT OUT. SCRAP THE PART TIME LINE, NOT REQUEST. ONCE I START MAKING THE CHANGES, I'LL BE GETTING EMAILS. 
          WITH THE CONSULTING LINE SO FAR THIS YEAR, YOU'VE SPENT $84,000. UH, YOU'RE ASKING FOR 200,000. IS THAT BECAUSE YOU ANTICIPATE, UM, THAT WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THINGS LIKE THAT? SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT CAPITAL BUDGET. UH, I DO HAVE CAPITAL BUDGET DISCUSSION THAT THAT PARTICULAR ONE WOULD BE SEPARATE, HOWEVER. 
          SEPARATE FROM CONSULTING. YEAH. HOWEVER. 
          SO WHAT'S THE 200,000 FOR? O CONSULTANTS. 
          O CONSULTANTS. NO SAYS CONSULTANT. YEAH. ARE YOU SAYING THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CONSULTANTS? WELL, CONSULTING GENERALLY CONSULTANTS. YEAH. YEAH. BUT YOU SAID IT. WAS CONSULTANTS. CONSULTING. 
          IT WAS GETTING CONFUSING AS YOU SAID. THAT'LL BE SEPARATE. 
          OKAY. SO WE INTERPRET IT AS SEPARATE FROM THE CONSULTING LINE, WHICH IS 540305503. 
          MHM. YES. I GUESS WHERE I WAS GOING IS WHEN WE DO GET TO THE CAPITAL BUDGET DISCUSSION, I KNOW BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ASKED. 
          SO JUST YOU KNOW, TO GIVE A SNEAK PEAK, WE DO HAVE A PLACEHOLDER FOR $200,000 UM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. 
          BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ASKED I THINK THE SUPERVISOR AND OTHERS. 
          DOES THAT NEED TO BE THAT AMOUNT, OR COULD THERE BE SOME AUTHORSHIP ON BEHALF OF TOWN STAFF? AND IF YOU RECALL, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF AUTHORSHIP ON BEHALF OF TOWN STAFF, WHICH DROVE COSTS. FINAL COST OF THAT PROJECT DOWN. AND I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, AND I DO FEEL THAT THERE CAN BE SOME AUTHORSHIP OF OF TOWN STAFF, BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR, AND I DO SEE 285 MORE TOWARDS FINISH, INCLUDING TOWARDS THE FRONT END OF THE YEAR AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO LIKE THE THIRD QUARTER. UM, AND ALTHOUGH FOUR CORNERS HAS BEEN QUITE DORMANT IN THE BACKGROUND, THERE'S QUITE A BIT HAPPENING AND GOOD BACKGROUND, UM, DATA THAT'S GOING TO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT. SO WITH THOSE TWO THINGS, LET'S SAY, UM, TRENDING TOWARDS CONCLUDING MID-YEAR, I DO THINK IT WILL FREE UP TIME FOR SIGNIFICANT AUTHORSHIP OF COMP PLAN, BUT I DO FEEL THAT A CONSULTANT WILL BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE IN A MEETING WITH RESIDENTS AND RESIDENTS ARE, LET'S SAY, MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, SAY, THEIR PORTION OF CENTRAL AVENUE OR ROUTE 119 IMPROVED. 
          WHILE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GOOD BEAT ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY, TO HAVE A CONSULTANT THERE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY. I'VE SEEN THIS WORK AND WE'VE CONSULTED IN, YOU KNOW, FILL IN THE BLANK COMMUNITY IN WESTCHESTER. I FEEL LIKE WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING FIRM ON BOARD, BUT I AM MINDFUL OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAD IN TERMS OF THE COST THERE. SO, UM, THERE I COULD SEE A SCENARIO WHERE THAT EITHER GOES LOWER OR, UM, TAKE IT AWAY. AND THEN, FOR INSTANCE, PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING LINE WOULD, WOULD, WOULD PAY FOR THAT, AND THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE CAPITAL BUDGET EXPENSE. 
          RIGHT. WELL, THAT THAT CONSULTANT IS A MATTER OF BID PROCESS TOO. RIGHT. AND UM, AND IN ORDER FOR TO MAKE IT GO LOWER, WE HAVE TO OFF RAMP SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS. RIGHT. IF WE DECIDE WE HAVE TO AND THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UM, WHETHER THE STAFF CAN TAKE THAT ON OR NOT. 
          WHERE IS THE PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT LINE? YOU KEPT REFERRING TO MAYBE. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL. 
          YES. OH, WELL, LET'S STAY ON OPERATING. WELL, WHILE WE'RE AT IT. OKAY. 
          RIGHT. SO I GUESS THE REAL QUESTION I'M ASKING, BECAUSE WE KNOW BECAUSE OF THE FORENSIC REPORT, YOU KNOW, IT'S REVEALED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FINANCIAL ISSUES, SERIOUS FINANCIAL ISSUES. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVISIONS. THE 285 IS JUST DESPERATELY NEEDS TO COME OUT. SO WE MAY NEED CONSULTANTS. ALL I NEED YOU TO DO IS TO AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW IS WHAT IS A REALISTIC NUMBER THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE 
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NEED TO ACCOMPLISH WITHOUT. UM, WITHOUT BEING EXCESSIVE IN THE COSTS. SO I THINK TO BE RESPONSIVE ON A HIGH LEVEL, I'M GOING TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE TWO BLUE LINES THAT YOU SEE ON THIS SHEET. 
          THE TWO ONE. WE DON'T. 
          HAVE TO HAVE COLORED. WE DON'T. HAVE OH I'M SORRY. THE CONSULTING LINE 200 K AND THEN REQUESTED PROJECTS 270. I'M GOING TO REVIEW WHAT WE USED FROM THAT THE LAST TWO YEARS AND DO MY BEST TO FORECAST EXPENDITURES THAT ARE HAVE DECENT PROBABILITY OF COMING THE ARISING 2027. AND TO THE EXTENT I FEEL CONFIDENT, YOU KNOW, TRIMMING THAT, I WILL OF COURSE HONOR THAT AND CHECK BACK WITH YOU SOON. 
          OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANT TO MENTION WHEN I WAS TALKING TO YOU AGAIN ABOUT THE MARKETING PERSON, NOW, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHT WAS IT WOULD BE PART OF THE 230,000 OR SOMETHING. 
          WHATEVER YOU HAD PUT IN FOR CONSULTANTS, BECAUSE I PERSONALLY AM NOT A BIG FAN OF STUDIES. AND, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO I LIKE USING A CONSULTANT TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING RATHER THAN JUST WRITE UP SOMETHING. AND YEAH, I FEEL A LOT OF THESE STUDIES JUST GATHER DUST. THAT'S MY FEELING. NOT UNDER GARRETT. 
          NO, NO, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT. STRONG AGREEMENT. I. 
          I CAN'T IMAGINE. WHY I FEEL NATIONALLY. I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IN CONSULTANTS. BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMES THAT YOU DO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. WE NOW HAVE THESE ARE IMPORTANT, RIGHT? WE NOW HAVE THE BRONZE CERTIFICATION. FOR INSTANCE, WE USED A CONSULTANT AND THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE ACCESSIBILITY TO MORE GRANTS. 
          SO WELL I VOTED FOR THAT. YEAH. GREAT. 
          YEAH. SO THERE. YOU GO. 
          THANK YOU. UH, ARE WE DOING CAPITAL? NO .. NO, NO. THIS. 
          CLOSER TO CAPITAL. I THOUGHT WE WERE PRESENTING CAPITAL AT THE SAME TIME. OH. 
          SO WHAT DO WE HAVE ON CAPITAL? WE HAVE. WE HAVE FIVE PIECES OF PAPER. CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION WITH THE CAPITAL? BECAUSE I SORT OF FEEL THAT WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO DO THE CAPITAL FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR OCTOBER, WE COULD WE COULD WAIT UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY SPENT, LET ME SAY, WE HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT OF THE CAPITAL BUDGET THAT WAS ALREADY, UH, APPROPRIATED, YOU KNOW, FOR 2026. SO I SORT OF THINK THAT WE SHOULD POSSIBLY HOLD OFF, UM, ON THE CAPITAL UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR AND THEN SPEND MORE TIME ANALYZING. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT. YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT? BUT DOESN'T THAT CONTRAVENE OUR PLANS TO HAVE THEM COTERMINOUS? I THINK I WOULD RATHER SPEND MORE TIME ON THE CAPITAL AND AND MORE TIME ANALYZING, UM, HOW YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN 2025. AND 26. SHE SAYS SHE DOESN'T LIKE TO SEPARATE IT OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK. TO THAT. I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING THAT I. I FEEL THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S MONEY THAT WE APPROPRIATED IN PREVIOUS CAPITAL BUDGETS THAT WASN'T SPENT. THAT'S LIKE A GIVEN. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BEFORE WE GO INTO 2026, EITHER, UM, UH, RETURN THE MONEY THAT WASN'T SPENT, ALL OF IT. UH, OR IF THERE'S UNFINISHED BUSINESS, UM, GET ALL THE UNFINISHED. 
          BUSINESS YOU'RE WRITING. I THINK THE COMPTROLLER IS NO UNDERSTAND, BUT THE COMPTROLLER HAS CONCERNS, SO THAT'S WHY SHE. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HER. 
          I'M SORRY. CAN YOU LISTEN TO WHAT THE COMPTROLLER SAYS? UH, THREE ITEMS ON HERE. I THINK HE CAN JUST READ THEM, AND THEN I'LL DISTRIBUTE A COPY OF HIS PAPER. OKAY. IT'S VERY SIMPLE. 
          BUT I'M JUST SAYING I'M. WELL, I'M SAYING IS THAT FOR ME, FOR THE 2027 BUDGET? UM, I DON'T WANT HER SINCE IT'S MY BUDGET TO PROPOSE. I'M NOT INTENDING TO PROPOSE A CAPITAL BUDGET. 
          I'LL LET YOU KNOW. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CAPITAL THIS YEAR. 
          YEAH, I JUST DON'T. VERY SLIM. 
          I WANT TO REALLY DO A BETTER JOB OF OF OF DECIDING, YOU KNOW, OF. AND I WANT TO HAVE SOME MEETINGS WHERE WE JUST SPEAKING WITH EVERYBODY. WE LOOK AT ALL THE CAPITAL BUDGETS THAT WE'VE APPROVED. UH, WE FIGURE OUT WHAT WE AREN'T GOING TO SPEND THAT WE ALREADY BORROWED FOR AND, AND THEN GOING FORWARD AND THEN WE START FROM SCRATCH. AND IF AND IF THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT, THEN WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT WHY WE DIDN'T SPEND IT. AND, YOU KNOW, WE EVERY, EVERY YEAR FOR, FOR MANY YEARS, WE KEEP PUTTING MONEY IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND IT DOESN'T GET SPENT. AND WE'RE BORROWING. AND TO ME THAT'S A WASTE OF MONEY. 
          BUT PAUL, I THINK THAT'S A THAT'S A DISCUSSION YOU AND I CAN HAVE WHEN WE REVIEW THE BUDGET. I DON'T THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION. OKAY. FOR THE TABLE. AND HE ONLY HAS, I THINK 
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3 OR 4 ITEMS. AND WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT ONE LINE. 
          OKAY. SO THAT'S. 
          SO THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, TWO TAP GRANTS, ONE FOR THE OLD ARM. OLD ARMY SIDEWALK. THE PROJECT IS IN DESIGN. 
          AND WHAT'S THE MATCH? 896,000. AND THAT REPRESENTS 20% OF A 3.587 GRANT. AND IS THAT DOES THAT HAVE TO BE ALL IN DOLLARS OR CAN IT BE ANY OF IT BE IN KIND? OKAY, THESE ARE ALL DOLLARS. SO THE PROJECTS IN DESIGN, IT WILL HOPEFULLY BE CONSTRUCTION READY. END OF SUMMER NEXT YEAR. 
          YOU SAY, WELL, I DON'T HEAR. THE PROJECT IS ON TRACK TO BE IN CONSTRUCTION END OF SUMMER 2027. 
          I'LL SEND THIS OUT TO EVERYONE. I WOULD HOPE SO. OKAY, YEAH. SIMILAR TIME FRAME KNOLLWOOD ROAD SIDEWALK TAP GRANT RECEIVED TOWNS IN POSSESSION OF THAT GRANT. UH, $2.6 MILLION CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. 2.1 WOULD BE THE FEDERAL SHARE. 525,000 WOULD BE THE TOWN SHARE. 
          SIMILAR TIME FRAME. AND ALSO IN DOLLARS ONLY. NO. 
          IN-KIND. YES. 
          SO YES. CORRECT. THE BIG QUESTION HERE IS IF THERE ARE UNFORESEEN DELAYS WHICH WOULD PUSH CONSTRUCTION BEYOND. 2027. 
          AND SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS. SO WHEN I SAY CONSTRUCTION FORECASTED END OF THE SUMMER, IT WOULD NOT BE OUT OF THE QUESTION. I WOULD NOT BET RIGHT NOW THAT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO HAPPEN. UM, HOPEFUL. WE'RE WORKING OUR HARD, HARDEST TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT, UM, THERE IS THE CHANCE THAT THE PROJECT BECAUSE ONCE YOU HIT THE WINTER SEASON, THE PLANT SHUT DOWN. IF IT'S NOT STARTED SIGNIFICANTLY ENOUGH IN THE YEAR 2027, YES, IT DOES KICK TO THE TO THE SPRING 2028. I WILL NOT KNOW THAT UNTIL APPROXIMATELY, SAY, MID SPRING NEXT YEAR, BUT AT LEAST RIGHT NOW I JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOOD NEWS THE TOWN HAS THESE ARE GOING TO BE GREAT PROJECTS. UM, AND THEY ARE IN DESIGN AND THEY WILL GET TO CONSTRUCTION. SO THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS IS SO NOW WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE IN TODAY'S TIME, IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE TERRORISTS THAT'S AFFECTING PRICING AND INCREASING ALL OF OUR, UM, CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. 
          CAN YOU TELL IN OTHER THINGS? CAN YOU TELL ME, ARE YOU GUYS ARE WE PUTTING MONIES IN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE OKAY OR WE CAN COVER OR WE CAN TRY TO FORECAST MAYBE AN EXTRA 20% ONLY JUST, JUST. AND I JUST DO A LOT OF NUMBERS. I DON'T WANT ANYONE THINKING THAT I'M HOLDING BEHOLDEN TO THAT NUMBER, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CAREFUL AS WE PLAN FOR THESE PROJECTS, THAT WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE TARIFFS AND AND OTHER THINGS THAT I HEAR, OTHER RISING COSTS, I SHOULD JUST SAY. 
          SO, FOR EXAMPLE, OTHER PROJECTS LIKE DOBBS FERRY ROAD, UM, BY THE TIME IT GOT THROUGH THE FEDERAL PROCESS AND WE HAD APPROVAL TO ACTUALLY CONSTRUCT THE CONSTRUCTION COST WAS MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED. SO WHEN I GET A SENSE FROM THE TOWN'S CONSULTING ENGINEER THAT THE COSTS ARE GOING UP AND WE'RE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION, ALWAYS LOOKING OUT FOR OTHER GRANTS. 
          SO FOR THAT ONE, FOR EXAMPLE, HAD A GOOD SENSE THAT THE EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, HAPPEN. WHAT HAPPENED, BECAME AWARE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT OPPORTUNITY CHASED AFTER IT. UM. GOT IT 200,000 INFUSED INTO THE PROJECT. ANOTHER 200,000 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FUSED INTO THE PROJECT. SO NOW, UM, THAT PROJECT STAYED AT ROUGHLY THE 8020. SO FOR THESE. ABSOLUTELY. SAME THING EAST WEST HARTSDALE AVENUE, TAB GRANT, UH, HAVE THAT SAME CONCERN BECAME AWARE COMPLETE STREETS UH OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE COUNTY MILLION DOLLARS OBTAINED FOR THE PROJECT TO SUPPLEMENT IT LOBBIED TO DOT 3 MILLION ADDED. SO WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO DEVELOP BUFFER UM TO TO SEE THAT UM FOR THESE THOUGH, THIS IS AN ASSUMPTION THAT THE COSTS WILL HOLD. BUT LIKE I SAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO NOTHING DIFFERENT. CONTINUE TO MONITOR MONITOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPLEMENT THESE AND REDUCE THE TOWN'S SHARE. 
          SO AND AGAIN I OPPOSE THAT TO THE CONTROL OF JUST WHAT EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD AND OUR BUDGET, WITH THE RISING COST OF EVERYTHING, ARE WE PUTTING SOMETHING? I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE MUCH, BUT WE'RE PUTTING SOMETHING FOR, I GUESS, EMERGENCIES OR BUFFERS, IF YOU WILL. SO WE DON'T HAVE WE'RE NOT UP AGAINST IT BECAUSE, I MEAN, EVERY DAY IS A 30% 
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TARIFF. THERE'S 80%. AND DIESEL FUEL IS GONE WAY UP. 
          AND SO WE WOULD LOOK AT THE CONTINGENCY FUNDS, MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALIGN WITH THOSE INCREASES. 
          YES. IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 2027 IS. 
          GOING TO BE I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. AND THIS IS A LEGAL QUESTION ALSO. UM, SO I BASICALLY HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE SIDEWALK ON OLD ARMY ROAD. UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THE EDUCATION CORPORATION IS IN THE APPELLATE DIVISION. THEY'RE GOING TO BE RULING, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WITHIN MONTHS. UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, UM, IF BUT GOD FORBID, WE LOSE THE EDGEMONT INCORPORATION, YOU KNOW, CASE AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A REFERENDUM AND THEY AND THE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, VOTE IN EDGEMONT, VOTE TO BREAK AWAY. 
          UM, DO WE ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE SPENDING THE $890,000 FOR FROM FROM THE BE BUDGET UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG FOR THE SIDEWALK? OR WOULD WOULD EDGE RESIDENTS THEN TAKE OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PAYING THE $890,000 FROM A PROPOSED VILLAGE OF OF EDGEMONT, YOU KNOW, BUDGET, BECAUSE, UH, THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE APPELLATE DIVISION IS ON A FAST TRACK TO MAKE A DECISION. SO THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO GO. 
          LET'S SEE. WHAT. 
          SO THAT'S. WHAT WE. 
          SHOULD PROBABLY DISCUSS IT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION SINCE IT'S CURRENTLY BEING LITIGATED. RIGHT. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS NOT I JUST THE OTHER THING THAT WE COULD REALLY DO IS WE COULD PUT THE $890,000 AND SAY IT'S FOR SIDEWALKS WITHOUT BEING SPECIFIC. AGAIN, LET'S LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION, OKAY. 
          AND THEN LASTLY, AND THIS IS COMPOUNDING ON THE DISCUSSION FROM EARLIER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE TEN YEAR ANNIVERSARY MID YEAR. NEXT YEAR I THINK WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO LAUNCH THAT EFFORT. UH, I HAVE 200,000. THERE IS NO GRANT IN HAND FOR THAT. SO THAT WOULD BE STRAIGHT TOWN SHARE. UH, SIMILAR TO THE COST CUTTING, UH, QUESTION YOU BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION EARLIER, I WILL REVISIT THIS, BUT I, WITH 285. 
          ARE THERE GRANTS FOR COMPREHENSIVE PLANS? UM, CREATION OR AMENDMENT. SOMETIMES, YES. 
          OKAY. SO THAT'S ALSO A POSSIBILITY. 
          TO LOOK INTO IT. YEAH. SO WE'LL REVISIT THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN TRIM THAT NUMBER. UM, 285 IS ALL IN-HOUSE. AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN-HOUSE WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE EFFORT. 
          OKAY, OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. NEXT ONE IS REAL PROBLEM. WHICH IS THE NEXT DEPARTMENT. CONTROLLER. 
          OH, CONTROLLER. GOOD EVENING. I'M CONTROLLER GUTWEIN. OKAY. SO STARTING OFF WITH SALARIES. 
          , 10% INCREASE. WHAT? WELL, BECAUSE ONE OF THE POSITIONS WAS VACANT, TWO POSITIONS WERE VACANT LAST YEAR. SO, UM, THAT WAS THE JUNIOR ACCOUNTANT AND THE, UH, SENIOR OFFICE ASSISTANT CONTROLLER, WHICH WE'VE NOW. JUST A LITTLE BIT AWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE ECHOING. OH, OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THE 3% INCREASES IN THERE THIS YEAR. 
          STEP INCREASES. THEIR POSITIONS. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE REVISED BUDGET WAS 907. WAS THAT ASSUMED? WAS THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? IT WOULD BE VACANT AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY OUT. IT WOULD SEEM LIKE 907 WOULD BE TO FUND THE POSITIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DETAIL. YOU'RE ASKING ME IF THE JUNIOR ACCOUNTANTS POSITION IS INCLUDED IN THE 907? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND. LOOK. 
          IT UP AT THE THE ACTUAL THE ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR 2026 WAS 979. YES. 
          UM, NINE 907,922. UM, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET, BUT I ASSUME THAT THERE'S MONEY IN THOSE LINES FOR THAT. 
          I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET. I ALSO HAD SOMEBODY THAT WAS IN THE, UM, CAN I SPEAK FREELY ON PERSONNEL? BECAUSE I HAD SOMEONE IN. THESE. 
          PERSONS. NO, BUT OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S A REASON WHY THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN THE COMPENSATION. I COULD DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          OKAY. UM. UM, ALSO BUILT IN THERE IS THOSE 3% INCREASES. UM, STEP INCREASES LONGEVITY. 
          DO YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOW QUALIFYING? IS THAT WHY THERE'S. YES. SO THAT NUMBER COMES 
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DIRECTLY FROM PAYROLL. OKAY. 
          AND THE OVERTIME I REDUCED IT A LITTLE BIT $5,000. BUT WE NEED THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT'S A POOR YEAR END. IT SUPPORTS, UM, HAVING THE CASH RECONCILED ON TIME BECAUSE I EXPECT ALL THE RECEIPTS IN BY THE 15TH. AND THAT ALWAYS CAN'T BE ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE WE RELY SOMETIMES ON, UM, INFORMATION COMING TO OUR DEPARTMENT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. AND SO SOMETIMES IT'S LAST MINUTE TO GET THOSE IN IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH CASH. REX, I HAVE STAFF THAT SOMETIMES STAY OVER TIME. 
          THEN WE HAVE YEAR END. WE HAVE THE YEAR END ACCRUALS. WE HAVE THE CLOSING OF YEAR END, UM, 1099 AND SO FORTH. SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS, W-2 PRINTING, THOSE FILING W THREES, UH, ALL OF THAT INFORMATION THAT HAS TO BE PROCESSED AT THE END OF THE YEAR REQUIRES MY STAFF TO STAY OVERTIME. 
          SO THE PART TIME POSITION.. RIGHT. 
          UM, WHICH YOU IT SEEMS YOU DIDN'T AVAIL YOURSELF OF THIS YEAR, RIGHT? I NEED TO FILL THAT POSITION. 
          SO I'VE CALLED FOR THE LIST THREE TIMES. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND A QUALIFIED APPLICANT, SO I'VE CALLED FOR IT AGAIN. OKAY, OKAY. 
          SO THAT EXPLAINS WHY THE ACTUAL WAS ZERO, BUT YOUR PROJECTED WAS 38,000 AND YOU WANT TO PUT IT BACK TO 38,000. 
          YES. THAT'S WHAT IT'S, IT'S A THAT'S WHAT THE POSITION PAYS 38,000. A POSITION. 
          FOR SENIOR OFFICE ASSISTANT CONTROLLER. 
          SO IS THAT JUST ADMINISTRATIVE? NOT LIKE THE. 
          IT'S A PART TIME POSITION. THE PERSON DOES THE MAIL, THE PHONE'S FILING OFFICE SUPPLIES SOME FINANCE WORK. THEY DO A LITTLE BIT OF DATA ENTRY FOR PAYROLL PROCESS. UM, SOME ITEMS THAT PERTAIN TO BENEFITS. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CROSSOVER WITH HR. OKAY. 
          UM, LET'S SEE WHAT DO. WE HAVE HERE. 
          THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE FEES. THOSE ARE THE SECURITY EXCHANGE COMMISSION FILINGS. WHEN WE DO FINANCIAL DISCLOSURES. SO THERE REALLY ISN'T ANY ROOM THERE FOR ME TO HAVE ANY KIND OF REDUCTION. YES. $73. IT WENT UP. WOW. 
          UH, THE MEMBERSHIP AND DUES ARE THE GFA NATIONAL, WHICH MY ENTIRE TEAM BELONGS TO. AND THE NEW YORK GFA. 
          DID YOU FIND OUT WHY WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE TOKENS FOR THE YEARS? YOU HAVE A WALL FULL OF. YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS OF. BUT WE'RE MISSING THREE YEARS. SO. 
          UH. I AM AWARE WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE TOKENS. OKAY. UH, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE THEM. OKAY. 
          OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S PRINTED IN THE BOOK. SO WE DID GET THE CERTIFICATION. BUT WE'RE TALKING. 
          ABOUT WE JUST DON'T. HAVE THE BASEBALL TERMS. THEY USED TO GIVE A NICE PLAQUE EACH YEAR. IF YOU QUALIFY FOR THE GFA AWARD FOR TRANSPARENCY IN YOUR BUDGETS. AND THEN THEY DECIDED WE'LL GET ONE BIG BOARD AND THEN JUST GIVE YOU LITTLE YEARS TO ADD TO IT. AND WE'RE MISSING THREE YEARS FOR SOME REASON OR OTHER, EVEN THOUGH WE EARNED IT. IT'S JUST WE'RE YEAH. SO FOR WE SOMEHOW. OH WELL ONE ONE YEAR WAS NOT FILED UPON THE FORMER CONTROLLER EXITING. SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO GET THAT. UM, THE OTHER TWO WE MAY HAVE GOTTEN THE TOKEN. I DIDN'T PUT IT ON THE WALL. AND IT'S IN THE BOOK. 
          AND THEN, UM, I DIDN'T FILE THE CURRENT ONE, BUT I CAN, IF THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE BOARD. I IT'S. 
          REPORT TO SOME ONE PEOPLE. OFF THE WALL. BUT SEE, IT LOOKS IT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ANYWAY. AND NOBODY GETS TO SEE THESE BECAUSE THEY'RE INSIDE THE CONTROLLERS. 
          OUTSIDE MY OFFICE DOOR. I DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THEM. 
          IF YOU'RE IN SOMETHING, YOU SHOULD GET. 
          IT RIGHT. IT DOESN'T BOTHER YOU? NO. 
          SO ARE THERE ADDITIONAL CONFERENCES YOU'RE GOING TO, OR ARE THEY JUST COST MORE? UM, SO NO. WELL, I HAVE THREE NEW PEOPLE AND THEY'LL HAVE TO BE TRAINED ON SOME OF THEM. ONE OF THEM DOESN'T HAVE SO MUCH GOVERNMENT BACKGROUND, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO TAKE ADDITIONAL CLASSES. UM, PROBABLY THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT FINANCE INSTITUTE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S ONE MAJOR CONFERENCE THAT WE HAVE EACH YEAR THAT'S BEEN NEW YORK. AND THEN THERE'S THE, UM, THE GFA NATIONAL, WHICH. 
          WE HAVE. AND ACTUALLY THE REQUEST WENT DOWN $500, AND IT'S JUST WENT UP. UM, VIS A VIS WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SPENT. 
          YES. PROJECTED AND ACTUAL SO FAR. 
          BUT I ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'LL BE TWO MORE, UM, EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD ATTEND THIS YEAR. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. 
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HR OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          CHANGING THE GUARD. GOOD EVENING. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IS INTRODUCING. SO. 
          OH. JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF. AND THE FACT THAT HR IS PART. OF IT. OH. 
          I INTRODUCED MYSELF. OH, OKAY. 
          INTRODUCE. COOL. 
          MY NAME IS NICOLE MURPHY. I AM THE PERSONNEL MANAGER FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG. AND I WILL BE PRESENTING THIS 2027 PERSONNEL BUDGET. UM, WHAT I DO WANT TO DO IS I DO. 
          YES. OKAY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN A WORK, UM, A SPREADSHEET, BUT I NEED TO MAKE AN A CORRECTION ON THE SALARY PART OF THAT. OKAY? OKAY. 
          I'M GOING TO SHOW THIS TO YOU. AS A CORRECTION. 
          MAKE A CORRECTION. SO WE SHOULD RETIRE THESE. 
          YES, DEFINITELY. SO IT WAS NICOLE'S FIRST TIME USING CENTRAL BUDGET ENTRY. AND SO AT FIRST SHE HAD ONLY ONE SALARY IN THERE. SO THEN WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. AND I THINK SHE HAS ADDED ANOTHER. SO WE. 
          WE. ADDED EVERYBODY. 
          YEAH I. KNOW. 
          BUT THEN BUT. THEN IN 67. 
          BUT YEAH. WELL THEN WE COULDN'T PAY THREE PEOPLE AND THAT WOULD BE BAD. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. MAYBE CLOSER. SO IT'S OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO THE OBVIOUS QUESTION IS THAT IF THE, UH, 20 PROJECTED 2026 IS $285,000 FOR SALARIES, WHY IS IT PROJECTED TO BE 463? WELL, UM, WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE RECEIVED APPROVAL TO HIRE A PERSONAL CLERK, WHICH WE WE HAVE WE HAD HIRED A PERSONNEL CLERK WHO'S PENDING A START DATE. AND WE ALSO I AM REQUESTING ONE POSITION FOR AN ASSISTANT PERSONNEL MANAGER, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD DISCUSSED WHEN I CAME ABOARD. UM, WHAT'S HAPPENED? AND AS YOU KNOW, THE PERSONNEL OFFICE HAS NOT BEEN QUITE CORRECTLY STAFFED FOR YEARS. AND I THINK THAT THAT AS A RESULT OF THAT, A NUMBER OF THINGS HAD NOT BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PERSONNEL SERVICES AREA AS WELL AS AS WE ARE ALL AWARE, UM, WE HAD A PAYROLL AUDIT THAT THE THAT HAD NOT GONE WELL FOR, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, MY, UM, ASSESSMENT OF THAT IS THAT THE HUMAN RESOURCES FOR THE PERSONNEL OFFICE HAD NOT BEEN APPROPRIATELY STAFFED. GIVEN ONE, THE GROWTH IN THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF HIRES AND THE FACT THAT THE TOWN OR THE WORKFORCE IS MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN MAYBE A MUCH SMALLER COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT PERHAPS YOU WERE BASING STAFFING FOR AN HR OFFICE ON MAYBE A WORKFORCE OF 300 PEOPLE. AND THIS WORKFORCE IS A LOT MORE. IT'S ABOUT 400 OR SO STAFF AND ABOUT 100 OR SO PART TIME STAFF. AND YOU ALSO HAVE SEASONAL HIRING OF ABOUT 400 PEOPLE, SO THAT IN ITSELF REQUIRED CERTAINLY MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAD. UM, UH, ALLOCATED IN YOUR HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE. 
          SO WHAT? I HAD TAKEN A LOOK AT WAS HOW WE CAN STAFF THIS TO APPROPRIATELY SUPPORT WHAT YOUR ACTUAL NEEDS ARE, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING OR WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN, IN THE TOWN AS FAR AS THE PERSONNEL OFFICE. SO AGAIN, I'M ASKING, WE'VE ALREADY, UM, HIRED FOR A PERSONNEL CLERK. WE I AM ASKING FOR AN ASSISTANT PERSONNEL MANAGER AS A DEPUTY. AND, UM. 
          AND ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, UM, ALLOCATING MONEY FOR A MANAGEMENT TRAINING PROGRAM, WHICH WE HAD DISCUSSED IN PREVIOUS WORK SESSIONS. AND IF WE DON'T HIRE THERE, THIS COULD BE LIKE, DO YOU FEEL IT COULD BE PENNYWISE AND POUND FOOLISH WHERE IT COULD BE MORE COSTLY IF WE DON'T GIVE YOU THE STAFF THAT YOU NEED? WELL. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT LET ME JUST SAY THIS WITH THE ASSISTANT PERSONNEL MANAGER. WHAT I AM A LITTLE I'M A LOT CONCERNED ABOUT IS, IS THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH TWO, FOUR MONTH PERIODS WITHOUT A PERSONNEL MANAGER, AND THIS, THAT OFFICE AND THIS TOWN CANNOT FUNCTION WITHOUT A MANAGEMENT LEVEL. PERSONNEL. UM, STAFF PERSON AT ALL TIMES. 
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AND WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT YOU'RE DEPENDING ON THE PERSONNEL MANAGER TO BE IN THE POSITION AT ALL TIMES, AND THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC. UM, THE WORKLOAD ALONE IS ENOUGH TO SUPPORT AN ADDITIONAL MANAGERIAL LEVEL PROFESSIONAL PERSON. UM, I THINK THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD THAT THERE OFTEN THAT I'M WORKING PROBABLY ABOUT 20 HOURS OF COMP TIME EASILY PER WEEK. UM, SO THE ISSUE IS, AND I THINK WHEN I CAME IN, THERE WERE SO MANY BACKLOGGED ISSUES IN PERSONNEL THAT HAD NOT BEEN ADDRESSED FOR YEARS. UM, I CAN SAY THAT WHEN I REVIEWED A NUMBER OF THESE ISSUES, IT CAME DOWN TO NOT HAVING ENOUGH MANAGERIAL SUPPORT OR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE DIFFERENT PERSONNEL ISSUES. UM, ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS FOR ME IS THE PERSONNEL AUDIT AND THE FACT THAT THAT, UM, YOU HAD BEEN IN AN AUDIT SITUATION WITH WESTCHESTER COUNTY FOR, WHAT, 15, 16 YEARS? AND THE AUDIT HAS PRETTY MUCH IT'S BEEN A FAILURE FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME WITH, UM, THE, THE, THE LEVEL OF DISCREPANCIES IS EXTREMELY CONCERNING FOR ME. AND, YOU KNOW, HAD I BEEN MADE AWARE OF THAT WHEN I FIRST TOOK THE ROLE, I WOULD HAVE EXPRESSED THAT AS A MAJOR ISSUE. SO, UM, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THE PERSONNEL OFFICER IS, UH, ONE OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR SUBMISSIONS TO WESTCHESTER COUNTY LINE UP WITH WHAT? WESTCHESTER COUNTY WILL RUN AS THEIR AUDIT. SO WE DO TWO. THERE ARE TWO, UM, WHEN THE AUDIT IS CONDUCTED, IT'S AGAINST OUR PAYROLL AND AGAINST WHAT THEIR ROSTER IS. AND WE'VE NOT BEEN IN A POSITION YET THAT, UM, HAS BEEN SATISFACTORY. UH, AS FAR AS THE AUDIT IS CONCERNED, I THINK I HAD DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD PREVIOUSLY THAT THIS PAST AUDIT WAS 55 PAGES AND DISCREPANCIES. 
          AND I THINK THAT HAVING ANOTHER SET OF EYES, PARTICULARLY IN OTHER MANAGERIAL PROFESSIONAL PERSON, TO REALLY CONCENTRATE ON THAT, WOULD HAVE ALLEVIATED A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES. 
          WHEN THERE'S DEFICIENCIES, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS TO THE TOWN? YOU KNOW, THE TAXPAYERS I MEAN, THEIR FINES OR ANYTHING. 
          UM, THEIR POTENTIAL. THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR FINES IF, LET'S SAY, UM, UH, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT SOME KIND OF AUDIT. 
          HE WAS SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT SOME KIND OF REPORT. AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO USE THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR AS, UM, AS AN EXAMPLE, UM, OR AN OSHA REPORT. SO IF YOU'RE IF YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THOSE AND DO NOT YES, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR FINES. HAVE WE BEEN FINED IN THE PAST? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, BUT THE OTHER THE OTHER ISSUE IS, IS THAT THOSE REPORTS HADN'T BEEN SUBMITTED. AND SINCE I'VE COME ON BOARD, APPARENTLY THE DEPARTMENT OF LABOR HAS FOUND OUT THAT YOU HAVE A PERSONNEL MANAGER AND IS NOW ASKING ME FOR THE REPORTS THAT HAD NOT BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY. 
          SO THEY WEREN'T DONE FOR THE 15 YEARS? APPARENTLY NOT. THAT'S THE FIRST. YEAH. 
          I WAS I WAS QUITE SURPRISED WHEN THEY CALLED ME. 
          AND SAID. THIS IS THE FEDS, THE FED, THE FEDS. ARE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. HMM. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR 15 YEARS? I CAN'T SAY FOR 15 YEARS. I CAN SAY THAT SINCE I'VE COME ON BOARD, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF THAT. UM, I'M GETTING I'M NOT FINISHED. SINCE I'VE COME ON BOARD. THEY HAVE ASKED ME FOR THESE REPORTS. WHEN WE LOOKED IN THE FILES TO SEE IF THEY HAD DONE BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY. THERE'S NO RECORD OF IT. SO WERE THEY ABLE TO SHOW YOU ANY REPORTS THAT WE DID SUBMIT? NO. AND THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY. DIDN'T HAVE IT. 
          WERE THEY ABLE TO SHOW YOU ANYTHING THAT THEY REQUESTED THOSE REPORTS? I DIDN'T ASK THEM. 
          OR IS THIS THE FIRST YEAR THEY ASKING FOR. 
          WELL, I CAN SAY IS WHAT I'VE BEEN APPROACHED WITH. SO THESE ARE THE THIS REPORT IS SOMETHING THAT'S DUE MONTHLY AND WE HAVE TO GET THAT TOGETHER AND. 
          SUBMIT IT. I'M, I'M SURPRISED BECAUSE I'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT IN MY OTHER JOBS AS WELL. BUT IT MIGHT BE THAT ANOTHER DEPARTMENT HANDLED THEM. 
          NORMALLY. IF YOU HAVE A REGULATORY AGENCY AND YOU DON'T SUBMIT A REPORT, MAYBE THEY MIGHT MISS A YEAR. BUT 1515. 
          YEAH. BUT ANYWAY, FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION TO BE USING $101,000? WELL. THE HUGE INCREASE BY $100,000. 
          WELL. UM. 
          $100,000. WE WERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A MANAGEMENT TRAINING PROGRAM. SO THAT IS THE PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          AND. WHAT IS THAT THE SALARY FOR SOMEONE TO. 
          SO WHAT I WAS PROPOSING WAS AND I HAD MENTIONED THIS IN A COUPLE OF THE WORK SESSIONS, WE WERE CONDUCTING DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME POTENTIAL PROFESSIONAL TRAINING MANAGEMENT PROVIDERS, AND WE WERE LOOKING AT, UH, STANDARDIZING, LET'S SAY, TRAINING FOR SOMEONE WHO IS A 
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FIRST TIME SUPERVISOR AS OPPOSED TO A MANAGER, AS OPPOSED TO AN EXPERIENCE MANAGER, AS WELL AS PROVIDING TRAINING FOR THE TOWN, TOWN WIDE AND AND SPECIFIC TRAINING FOR MANAGERS. SO HIRING SOMEONE TO DO THIS TRAINING. WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, BRINGING IN A TEAM OF CONSULTANTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO WE'VE. 
          BEEN THAT'S A CONSULTANT FEE, NOT A SALARY FEE. 
          UM. WELL, TRAINERS. 
          YEAH, IT'S. GOOD BECAUSE. 
          I, I OUT OF THE 463,000, UH, THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING FOR 20, 27 OVER THE PROJECTED 285 FOR THIS YEAR. UH, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS THE PERSONNEL OR THE NEW PERSONNEL CLERK. 
          ARE ABOUT THE 70,000.. AND THE ASSISTANT PERSONNEL MANAGER. 127 500. 
          MHM. SO THAT AGAIN. 
          I'M SORRY. 127 500. AND THE PERSONNEL CLERK IS 70. 
          IT'S ABOUT 70. MM. 
          THIS IS TOTAL CONFLICT. UM, I THINK IT'S ABOUT IT MIGHT BE STRAIGHT SALARY. WE PROBABLY GOT TO ADD ABOUT 3%.. 
          RIGHT. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I KNOW YOU UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I DO AGREE BECAUSE I'VE SAID THAT WHEN I CAME ON BOARD THAT WE DEFINITELY UNDERSTAFFED IN HR. BUT WHAT I DO ALSO RECOGNIZE IN HR THAT OUR SYSTEMS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SYSTEM. SO AS THOUGH YOU'RE LOOKING TO PUT PEOPLE IN PLACE, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR SYSTEM. SO IS THERE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT YOU HAVE PLACED IN HERE TO HELP IMPROVE THE SYSTEMS, TO HELP DO SOME OF THE JOBS, SOME OF THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE? BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT WORK, AND AGAIN, I SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE, A LOT OF THAT WORK CAN BE AUTOMATED. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND I'M NOT I'M NOT STATING THAT WE DON'T NEED SOME OF THE BODIES, BUT SOME OF THAT WORK CAN BE AUTOMATED. SO IF ANY OF THIS IN YOUR ASSESSMENT OF BEING IN THE ROLE, HAVE YOU SAW WITH THE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU CAN TURN INTO AND MAKE IT MORE AUTOMATED? WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT YET. 
          AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE USING MUNIS. OKAY. IN PREVIOUS JOBS I'VE USED PEOPLESOFT. SO A LOT OF THAT, A LOT OF THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR AUTOMATED. BUT UM, WE I HAVE NOT FOUND A SIMILAR, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN MUNIS TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND TRAINING TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THOSE REPORTS. BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH. AND ALSO YOU HAVE KRONOS AS YOUR PAYROLL SYSTEM. SO WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF OF UPDATING THAT AND WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT TEAM TO ADD DIFFERENT MODULES. SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU YET ON THAT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          DANA, WERE YOU, UH, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, AUTOMATION OR WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT PRIVATIZING OR. 
          I WAS TALKING ABOUT AUTOMATION? NO. PRIVATIZED. I WAS TALKING. 
          ABOUT AUTOMATION. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFICATION. 
          NO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A. YES. 
          YES, YES. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, KIMBERLY, THAT YOU HAVE ALL THE DETAIL IN THE SALARY LINES. UM, FOR EVERYTHING. I THINK IT JUST MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK, SINCE I'M GOING TO BE PROPOSING THE OCTOBER THE BUDGET, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET ON OCTOBER 30TH, IF ANY BOARD MEMBER, UM, AFTER WE HEAR ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, IF THERE'S THINGS THAT, UH, YOU THINK DESERVE MORE ATTENTION OR MORE SCRUTINY OR YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MAYBE YOU COULD, UH, UH, ADVISE BOTH KIMBERLY AND MYSELF, BECAUSE THEN WHEN WE'RE DOING THE BUDGET, WE'LL HAVE SOME INPUT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE BOARD JUST BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS SAYING THEY WANT SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO SAY YES TO EVERYTHING. SO I JUST LIKE TO GET YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME SOME OF YOUR FEEDBACK BEFORE I SUBMIT THE BUDGET. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO THINK YOU'RE HEARING US. NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, IF YOU SAY LEAVE SOMETHING OUT OR PUT SOMETHING IN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST SAY FROM THIS. THESE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK SHOULD BE, UH, IN OR OUT OR OR MODIFIED OR, UH, INCLUDED. 
          THAT'S NOT INCLUDED. DISCUSSIONS DON'T DON'T KNOW. 
          I'M JUST ASKING. NO, I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU WANT TO SAY AND YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IT, I'M, I'M. SO WE GET A COPY OF THE BUDGET AFTER YOU IN THE CONTROLLER, HAVE A HAVE A CONVERSATION SO WE CAN SEE IT BEFORE IT'S RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. SO WE CAN HAVE. AN IDEA. 
          AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I MEAN, IT'S. 
          ALREADY. WELL, YEAH. AND I'M NOT SURE I KNOW THAT THE BUDGET IS DUE TO 30TH A WEEK, SO WE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO. SAY, WELL, AS SOON. 
          AS WE'RE BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS WE DON'T SEE THE BUDGET UNTIL YOU PUT IT OUT TO THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, THE FINAL BUDGET, SO WE CAN HAVE THAT IN ADVANCE TO ASSESS. 
          I THINK WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, TOO. WE'VE ALWAYS PRETTY MUCH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WAITING FOR INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY. 
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AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S USUALLY FINALIZED AT THE LAST MINUTE. 
          I'LL TRY. I DON'T KNOW, GUYS. 
          YEAH. EVEN IF IT'S NOT TOTALLY COMPLETED, AT LEAST WE CAN. 
          THERE ARE THINGS IT CAN BE ASKED AND EXPLAINED. 
          I CAN CERTAINLY DISTRIBUTE IT WITHOUT THE TAX RATES THAT I JUST THAT I CAN'T DO THAT TO THE LAST MINUTE. SO. 
          YOU KNOW. IT'S A LITTLE BIT USELESS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE TAX. RATE IS. 
          SO I LET'S ADD THIS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE TAX RATE IS ALL LETS YOU. KNOW, EVERY TIME IT CHANGES, THEN THE RATE CHANGES. SO DOES EVERYBODY COME TO SIT DOWN. YEAH I. 
          THINK SO. GET OUT. LIKE YOU. 
          CAN. JUST GRAB. 
          SOME MORE CHAIRS. THANK YOU. PROBABLY NEED TO GRAB. CHAIRS. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT. THE ETHICS. 
          BOARD.. I WAS EXPECTING THAT YOU WOULD BRING THE SCISSOR FOR US TO CUT THE BUDGET. YOU KNOW. 
          UM. HOW ARE YOU? OH, REALLY? THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND HOW TO GET MORE COMMERCE. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID. 
          WHENEVER YOU WANT TO SIT. DOWN AND DO THIS. 
          OKAY. I'VE WORKED WITH CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FOR YEARS. SO WHATEVER. YOU NEED. 
          ARE YOU LUIS? TIM. HE'S PLEASURE TO MEET YOU. 
          OKAY, SO LET'S. RESPOND. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M CARLOS. YEAH. OH, YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO THANK. 
          YOU. ITEM TWO. 
          UM. I'M PROUD TO SAY. I DON'T BITE SOMEONE. SIT WITH GINA. 
          DESPITE WHAT? DESPITE WHAT. THEY SAY. 
          WHY DON'T YOU GO OVER THERE? PLEASE HAVE A. 
          COME ON. COME ON, NEIGHBOR, COME ON. 
          SIT WITH. I'M PROUD TO SAY WE HAVE A NICE COMPLIMENT FROM. THE BOARD OF ETHICS. 
          AND IF I MIGHT INTRODUCE FROM FROM GINA'S RIGHT. WE HAVE SETH SIEGEL, OUR SECRETARY. UH, WE HAVE ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY SHARON MCCAW, WHO HAS DONE A LOT OF THE WORK IN THE REVISION. WE HAVE OUR VOLUNTEER COUNSEL, JOE LARA, WHO'S SERVED SELFLESSLY, DOES A GREAT JOB KEEPING AN EYE ON LEGAL DETAILS. AND WE HAVE OUR TRUDY HOLLAND, WHO HAS BEEN A SECRETARY AND A STALWART MEMBER OF OUR BOARD FOR SEVEN YEARS. 
          YES. THANK ME. 
          YES. THANK YOU. AND YOU. 
          ARE I'M TIM HAYES, THE CHAIRMAN OR CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS. OH, I NEVER MET. 
          YOU BEFORE. YES. SHE'S KIDDING. 
          I'M KIDDING. YES, I KNOW WE'RE ALL KIDDING. 
          WE'RE ALL. WE'RE ALL STAND PEOPLE LISTENING. THEY DON'T GET THE. THAT'S TRUE. MR. BELTRAN IS THE ONLY NEW PERSON I'VE MET TONIGHT. SO IT'S A PLEASURE. AFTER ALL THIS TIME. 
          SO. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE CHANGES YOUR. 
          PROPOSAL? YEAH. UM, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THIS, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO ASK ATTORNEY MISS. MISS MACAW TO, UH, TO READ SOME OF THE CHANGES BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN VERY DILIGENT IN IMPLEMENTING THEM. THESE CHANGES WERE ALL DISCUSSED AT NUMEROUS AND MULTIPLE MEETINGS OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS, DEBATED AMONG OUR MEMBERS, AND ALTERNATES. UH, WITH FEEDBACK FROM OTHERS AND MAYBE EVEN AN OCCASIONAL PIECE OF FEEDBACK FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC. UH, AND WE'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE LISTED WITHIN. AND DOES EVERYONE HAVE A COPY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES? ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES IS WE'RE SHORT ONE, UM, FULL MEMBER ON THE BOARD, AND WE'D LIKE TO LOOSEN THE RESTRICTION ON, UH, MEMBERS OF A PARTICULAR POLITICAL PARTY AS BEING, UH, REQUISITE FOR BEING ON THE ON THE, ON THE BOARD OF ETHICS RIGHT NOW, OF THE FIVE FULL MEMBERS, UH, IT'S LIMITED TO NO MORE THAN TWO MEMBERS OF ANY ONE PARTICULAR MAJOR OR MINOR POLITICAL PARTY. AND, UH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN OPENING FOR ONE FOR, FOR ONE MEMBER WHO WOULD PROBABLY BE, UH, NOT A MEMBER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. UH, AND LET'S SEE, DO WE HAVE WE HAVE. 
          WE HAVE TO BE AN INDEPENDENT. WE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN INDEPENDENT. AND OR A NON-AFFILIATED. 
          PIECE OF FREEDOM, UH. YOU KNOW. 
          OR ANY OTHER PARTY. OR OTHER. 
          PARTY. AND NEW YORK IS FILLED. WITH THEM. 
          FAMILIES NOT AFFILIATED. YEAH. SO WE'RE STUCK. WE COULD USE THAT FIFTH, THAT FIFTH MEMBER. AND SO IN THE IN THE PROPOSED CODE CHANGES TO THE CODE, UH, WHILE THEY WERE INTENDED, BY THE WAY, WITH, WITH, WITH GREAT, UH, DISCRETION, WHEN MR. SHEEHAN WROTE THIS, UH, 19 YEARS AGO, WELL BE COMMENDED FOR THIS ALONE IN DOING IT. BUT I HAD A MAJOR PART. 
          IN THEY WERE YOU KNOW, YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND IT'S A GREAT CODE OF ETHICS. JUST A FEW FINE, FINE TUNE PARTS. UH, BUT THE THE THE THE, UM, THE PARTY MEMBERSHIP, UH, ISSUES. I'D SAY 
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NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HOLDING US UP. WE HAVE FOUR FULL TIME MEMBERS. WE HAVE TWO ALTERNATES. UM, AND THE ONE ALTERNATE HERE WHO DID SO MUCH WORK, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR BOARD. SO. 
          WELL. MAYBE WE CAN START AT THE BEGINNING. AND WHEN YOU GET TO THAT. YES. YEAH. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OR WHEN I CROSS, RIGHT. YES. 
          IF YOU WANT TO JUST. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE. 
          TO READ IT. BUT IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHY. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THE ONE THING I DO. 
          NEED TO APOLOGIZE IS THAT. I'M SORRY. IF YOU CAN JUST TURN YOUR MIC ON, PLEASE. AND PULL. IT A LITTLE CLOSER. 
          TO YOU. THANK YOU. YOU CAN. 
          JUST BRING UP. A LITTLE CLOSER. 
          TO YOU. UM, SOME OF THE CHANGES IN HERE. IT KIND OF LOOKS A LITTLE BIT WORSE, PURELY FOR FORMATTING REASONS. NOT BECAUSE THERE'S ANY ACTUAL CHANGE. SO APOLOGIES, I COULD NOT FIX THAT. UM, SO I GUESS, UM, STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING, UM, IN THE, UH, 571, THE DECLARATION OF THE POLICY, UM, UH, CHANGING FROM APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY TO REFER TO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE IT'S A MORE CONCRETE TERM. IT'S A DEFINED TERM UNDER SOME OF THE OTHER LAWS. AND IN FACT, WE GO AHEAD AND LATER ON ADD IT IN IS A SPECIFIC DEFINED TERM. SO, UM, AND INDICATE THAT WE'RE IN REFERENCE TO ARTICLE 18 OF THE NEW YORK STATE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW. UM, SO. 
          THAT MOVE ON TO THAT GENERALLY INCORPORATION BY REFERENCE, PARTICULARLY IN LOCAL CODES, IS DISCOURAGED. SO ARE WE EXPECTING SOMEBODY TO ACTUALLY GO AND GET ARTICLE 18 OF THE GENERAL MUNICIPAL LAW THEMSELVES? WHY CAN'T WE SOMEHOW PROVIDE THAT AS AN ADDENDUM OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS? UM, SO. IF I COULD JUST FOR A SECOND, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST NOT TO DO THAT, AS WE'VE SEEN IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THE TOWN CODE, WHERE, UM, THEN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO UPDATE IT EVERY TIME THAT THE STATE LAW CHANGES, IT'S BETTER TO JUST PROVIDE THE REFERENCE IN CASE THERE'S CHANGES TO THE STATE LAWS. BUT IT'S AN INCORPORATION BY REFERENCE. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE THE AVERAGE PERSON, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE ETHICS CODE. BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHERS THAT WE SEND THIS TO. THEY JUST WANT TO VOLUNTEER ON A BOARD. AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO KNOW WHAT. ARTICLE 18 OF THE GENTLEMAN IS OR IS WHERE WE COULD PUT IN HERE, OR A SUBSEQUENT AND REVISED TO COVER THAT, UM, SITUATION. BUT I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT'S ALREADY BEEN. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT. 
          572 YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. WASN'T CHANGED. THAT ALREADY REFERS TO ARTICLE 18. I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT NO, BUT CAN WE. CAN WE ADD IN A HYPERLINK? I WOULD THINK I. MEAN IT'S GOING TO BE ONLINE. 
          MOST OF IT'S 2026. WE COULD DO. 
          A HYPERLINK. YEAH. YES. THAT MIGHT BE A. 
          WAY OF DOING IT TO MAKE IT. EASIER FOR ANYONE WHO IS. WHAT IS THIS? THEY CAN GO STRAIGHT. THEY CAN CLICK ON. TO IT. YEAH. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. DO IT. OKAY. OOPS. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTION AS TO WHY WE CHANGED IT FROM APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST? OKAY. 
          I THINK THAT'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. OKAY. 
          SO THEN. THE NEXT CHANGE IS WITHIN THE, UM, 573 THE DEFINITIONS, UM. WHICH IS ON THE THIRD PAGE. 
          YES. YES. 
          UM, WE ADDED IN THE FACT THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS AS DEFINED IN ARTICLE 18. UM, AND WE ACTUALLY PROVIDE A DEFINED TERM FOR GIFT, UM, AND THE WAY IT'S DEFINED, WE HAVE BROADENED IT A LITTLE BIT TO INCLUDE SOME NON-MONETARY TYPES OF INTERESTS. 
          AS CONFLICT OF INTEREST, A VERY LENGTHY DEFINITION, AND ARTICLE 18 COULDN'T COULDN'T WE JUST INCORPORATE WHAT WE THINK IT IS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN GIFT, WE'RE ACTUALLY WE'RE ACTUALLY SAYING, OKAY, WITH MORE BROAD OR LESS BROAD TO MEET OUR NEEDS. COULDN'T WE DO THE SAME THING FOR CONFLICT OF INTEREST? I HAVE TO CONFESS, I'M NOT SURE IF GIFT IS SPECIFICALLY DEFINED IN THE SAME PROVISION, BUT IT'S THE SAME ISSUE IF WE CAN. WRITE HYPERLINKED DIRECTLY IN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO. IN THE EVENT THAT THEY AMEND THE DEFINITION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY PICKED UP. BUT IF WE ARE, IF WE LIKE WHAT THE DEFINITION IS, UH, EVEN IF IT GETS CHANGED LATER, WE COULD ALWAYS WORK. WE COULD REVISE OURS. BUT IF WE ARE, WE THINK, HEY, THIS IS THIS IS STRONG ENOUGH FOR THE LOCAL LEVEL FOR US. UM, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT PUT IN WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE A GOOD DEFINITION? I'M JUST JUST PUTTING IT OUT. 
          I MEAN, NOT YEAH. I MEAN. WITH THAT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL THE SAME IDEA, SO THAT'S FINE. 
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YEAH. I DO APPRECIATE READING SOMETHING BY SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS HOW TO USE TRACK CHANGES, BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE DON'T. AND IT'S IT LOOKS LIKE A REAL HODGEPODGE, BUT IT'S EASY TO. THIS WOULD BE 574. 
          YEAH. OKAY. SO. 
          I THINK THIS IS. THE THE OR VERSUS AND THE GOOD CATCH. YES, I VIOLATED THOSE TWO. BUT I DIDN'T DO THAT ONE. 
          AND THEREFORE. ONE THING THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING IS THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN. THE PROVISIONS IN UM, 574 A ONE A THAT TALK ABOUT PROHIBITED ACTS, UM, IT IT SEEMED A LITTLE BIT, UM, REPETITIVE WITH THE BEGINNINGS OF THE, A, UM TWO. SO THE IDEA WAS TO SORT OF PUT IT IN ONE PLACE AND BE CONSISTENT AND COVER ALL OF THE BASES. UM, AND SORT OF EXPAND WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE DONE. 
          YEAH. I NOTICED YOUR UPPERCASE IN THE G AND GIFT, AND I LIKE IT BECAUSE IT SHOWS IT'S A DEFINED TERM, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO BE AWARE WHEN THIS GOES TO GENERAL TERM CODE, THEY ARE MAKING EVERYTHING LOWERCASE, WHICH IS SO SO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T. E CUMMINGS. 
          E CODES I THINK. YOURS WAS BETTER. 
          YEAH. ARE YOU COMING? I CAN ASSURE YOU WE HAVE AN ANTENNA LAW AND WE HAVE A GAZILLION DEFINITIONS IN THERE. AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT WE DEFINED AND WHAT WE DIDN'T DEFINE. AND IT ALL GOT LOST WHEN IT CAME BACK. AND AND WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. WE BEGGED THEM TO LEAVE IT ALONE. BUT, UM, SO JUST BE AWARE OF WHEN YOU'RE WRITING IT. SO DON'T USE GIFTS SOMEPLACE ELSE UNLESS YOU REALLY NEED THE DEFINITION THAT'S. 
          IN HERE. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I GUESS THEN IN CASE I DIDN'T CATCH ALL OF THE CAPITAL G GIFTS. THEN THAT. 
          ALLEVIATES THAT PROBLEM. CAPITAL I AND INTEREST, YOU KNOW. THAT'S ANOTHER. YEAH. 
          BUT THAT IS GOOD TO. KNOW RIGHT. 
          YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU DID AN INTERESTING. WELL YOU DID YOUR JOB. SURE. I MEAN I TRIED I DON'T KNOW IF I GOT INVOLVED. , I PREFER I WOULD GREATLY PREFER HAVING A DEFINED TERM UPPERCASE. IT'S JUST EASIER TO GO AND TAKE A LOOK BECAUSE THEN YOU COULD ALSO SAY, HEY, THAT'S NOT THE. CAN YOU PUT A, UM, LIKE A GLOSSARY IN IT TO. WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE DEFINITIONS ARE. YEAH, IT. 
          IS UP FRONT, BUT I GUESS, YEAH, NORMALLY YOU SIGNIFY THAT WITH ALL OF THE CAPITAL LETTERS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE DOCUMENT. YEAH, YOU LOSE THAT, I GUESS.. 
          WELL, OR IT INTENDED TO BE DEFINED, YOU KNOW, SOME QUALIFIER. SO. 
          ITALICS WOULDN'T WORK, RIGHT. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD ITALICS. WORK. DID YOU KEEP HOTELS OR DO. WE TRY TO TURN THAT. UNDERLINE OR. 
          AND THEN A ONE DE. ANOTHER IMPORTANT DISTINCTION WE'VE INSERTED I FORGOT UH NO APPOINTED OFFER OFFICER SHALL DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY SOLICIT AND OR ACCEPT ANY GIFT OR ITEM. 
          SOME OF THESE THINGS MAY SEEM MINOR, BUT AS MR. SHEEHAN WILL ATTEST, YEAH, THEY MEAN SOMETHING. IT'S A HAND OR. 
          AND THEN SKIPPING A PAGE. THE NEXT PAGE YOU'LL SEE THE SECTION THAT WAS CROSSED OUT, WHICH WAS INCORPORATED INTO, UH, PARAGRAPH ONE. I'M BACK IN ONE A, WHERE IT SAYS, UH, BASICALLY IT WAS INTENDED TO INFLUENCE HIM HER AND THE PERFORMANCE OF HIS HER DUTY, OFFICIAL DUTIES. 
          YES. YOU'RE PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE PERSON WHO'S RECEIVING IT IS TO KNOW THE INTENT OF THE CONTRIBUTION, OR. THAT'S IN PARAGRAPH TWO. SO WE DIDN'T CHANGE THAT. WE JUST MOVED IT. WE COMBINED IT INTO ONE. SO THAT. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO BE IN THE PERSON'S MIND. NOW, OBVIOUSLY. I WAS THINKING. 
          I'M GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SECTION WHERE IT SAYS, I MEAN, PARTICIPANT. I WAS GOING BACK TO A PREVIOUS SECTION WHERE IT SAYS IT COULD REASONABLY BE INFERRED. AND I THINK THE INTENTION THERE, AT LEAST MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT A REASONABLE PERSON LOOKING AT THIS WOULD COULD REASONABLY 
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MAKE THE INFERENCE THAT, BASED ON ALL THE EVIDENCE, THAT THIS IS WHAT WAS THE INTENTION, I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY MEANT ON WHAT THE PUBLIC OFFICER KNEW. 
          I THOUGHT AT THE TIME. UM. 
          BECAUSE DON'T FORGET, THE INTENT IS TO CONTROL THE ACTIONS OF THE PUBLIC OFFICER, NOT THE PERSON MAKING THE OFFER. I'M WELL AWARE. YEAH. 
          SO IF THE PERSON THAT'S RECEIVING THE OFFER THINKS IT'S FOR FOR UNDUE INFLUENCE, HE CAN ACT UPON IT. 
          COULD BE FOR. SO ULTIMATELY, THE DETERMINER OF WHAT? OF, UH, WHETHER OR NOT IT COULD BE REASONABLY BE INFERRED IS THE ETHICS BOARD.. IS THE ETHICS BOARD. 
          YES. YEAH. 
          IF IT CAME TO US AS A COMPLAINT. 
          YEAH. BASED UPON A. STANDARD. RIGHT. 
          YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS, SIMILAR. CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          KIND OF A STANDARD IF YOU HAVE ONE TO COMPARE IT. 
          TO. 574-4. 5742 CONTRIBUTIONS ARE DONATIONS SOLICITED AND RECEIVED ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN. 
          WE HAVE DELETED THIS PARAGRAPH. MR. MILLER. 
          WE. YEAH, THIS IS THE PARAGRAPH. 
          YES, YES. THE TWO IS. IT'S IT'S INCORPORATED WITHIN ONE A SO NOTHING WAS MEANT TO HAVE BEEN DROPPED. IT WAS JUST MEANT TO BE CONSOLIDATED. OKAY. 
          THEN PARAGRAPH THREE, WE REMOVED, PROVIDED THAT A PUBLIC OFFICER CANNOT SOLICIT ANY SUCH GIFT FROM AN EMPLOYEE. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY COVERED, WHICH IS WHY WE. 
          I'M SORRY. I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING. SO IF YOU WANT TO MAINTAIN DEFINED TERMS WITHOUT USING AN UPPERCASE LETTER, YOU CAN USE ITALICS ACCORDING TO. OKAY, OKAY. SO NO. 
          THAT EASIER IN PRINTING THAN JUST HAVING AN UPPERCASE. 
          LIKE. SO NOW YOU YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ITALICIZE. YEAH. 
          RIGHT. IT'S A DEFINED TERM OKAY. 
          HOW ABOUT BOLD. CAN YOU ITALICIZE IN BOLD SOME THINGS I. TELL YOU. 
          WE DO HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE BOLDED IN THE CODE. 
          GENERALLY THEY'RE REFERENCES TO OTHER SECTIONS. 
          OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE INDEED WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONFLICT OF INTEREST CAPITALIZED. AND TO MAKE IT STAND OUT, ARE YOU SUGGESTING WE ITALICIZED THAT? YEAH. SO ALL THE DEFINED TERMS. OKAY. 
          BUT THAT WILL ALSO INCLUDE. SO WE SHOULD GO BACK AND. 
          COVER ALL OF THEM BECAUSE. EVERY AT ALL. YEAH OKAY. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PRESUME THAT TOO. WE CAN WE DON'T HAVE TO BACKTRACK, BUT WE CAN GO FORWARD. YES. 
          YES, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT BECAUSE IF YOU LATER HAVE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND IT'S NOT ITALICIZED, IT MEANS IT'S NOT COVERED UNDER THAT DEFINITION. 
          I KNOW, I'M I'M JUST SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK. TO SQUARE. ONE TO MAKE SURE. NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT. RIGHT? SO OKAY, WE HAVE TWO. NUMBER FOUR. 
          YEAH. AND PARAGRAPH FOUR, WE RAISED THE $75 TO $100 TO CONFORM TO THE SPECIFIC STATE LAW, WHICH ACTUALLY ALLOWS YOU TO DO $100 FOR, FOR WEDDINGS. SO THAT WAS JUST BEING CONSISTENT. OKAY. AND. MLLL. 
          WHICH FOR SOME REASON IS SHOWING UP AS M FOR YOU. 
          THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS SENT BY SETH. YOU HAVE L OR MLLL AND I HAVE THIS M HERE L1I PRINTED OUT WHAT YOU SAID. 
          I'M SURE SOME OF IT, UNFORTUNATELY, WAS THE FORMATTING. SO AGAIN, APOLOGIES, BUT. 
          IT MUST HAVE BEEN IT EARLIER VERSION. 
          IT'S THIS MOST RECENT EMAIL. YOU SENT AN EMAIL RECENTLY WITH, WITH THE CODE ATTACHED TO IT. 
          AND I MADE A MISTAKE. BUT HOW COULD IT? IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OKAY. WHAT DOES THE BOARD HAVE? THAT'S THE BIGGER QUOTE YOU HAVE. L WE HAVE L OKAY. YEAH, YOU HAVE L IS THE CHANGE. FROM. 
          A STANDARD FOR THE PLANNING BOARD AND ZONING BOARD OF. 
          APPEALS FROM LIKE A DOCK VIEW INSTEAD OF THE. 
          YEAH, WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WHAT WAS IN TB ONE FROM LAST YEAR 
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OUGHT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE IN THE CODE OF ETHICS. 
          SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH, YEAH. THIS WAS OUR LEARNING EXPERIENCE AMENDMENT. THIS SHOULD BE OUR TOWN BOARD. 
          AS WELL. FAMOUS DB ONE. YEAH WE HAVE TB ONES ON ALMOST EVERY AGENDA, BUT EVERYONE KNOWS RIGHT. 
          DIDN'T THAT INCLUDE THE TOWN BOARD AS WELL? MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD? YES. SO SHOULDN'T THAT BE IN HERE.. 
          BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDE. 
          OF US. YEAH I THINK THEY'RE DEALING. 
          WITH IT. YEAH. OKAY. 
          MODIFICATION OF TB ONE. YEAH. RIGHT. 
          BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT ACTUALLY SHOULD INCLUDE THE TOWN BOARD AS AS WELL. WELL TB ONE DID. SO I'M ASKING. 
          WELL THE REASON WE DIDN'T IS BECAUSE TOWN BOARD MEMBERS ARE ELECTED. RIGHT. RIGHT. 
          SO AND THE BOARD. OF ETHICS WITH THAT INHERENT CONFLICT, YOU'RE ELECTED. THE ONLY CONCERN I JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT AGAIN WITH THE WEDDINGS. UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER CHARGED FOR ANY PENALTY FOR OFFICIATING AT A WEDDING. AND I FEEL IF WE HAVE TOWN EMPLOYEES WHO ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, WEDDINGS, I JUST HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT IT'S WRONG IF THE WEDDINGS ARE BEING PERFORMED ON TOWN. TIME TO CHARGE ANYTHING. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING FROM 75 TO $100, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EVEN, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD BE PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE MARRIAGE MISSIONS. AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL THAT I KNOW THE STATE LAW ALLOWS, UM, INDIVIDUALS TO CHARGE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST FEEL A LOT OF THE PEOPLE COMING IN FOR WEDDINGS, YOU KNOW, $100 IS A IS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST ANOTHER ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, COST. AND I'D RATHER THAT IT BE FREE. 
          BUT IT'S ALSO NOT REQUIRING IT. IT'S JUST SAYING IF THEY DO CHARGE A MINIMUM AMOUNT. ALL RIGHT, I'D RATHER KEEP IT AT THE 75. I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY OWN FEELING. I'D RATHER. 
          KEEP IT A. CONSISTENT. I'M JUST. 
          IT'S A CAP. IT'S NOT A FLOOR. YEAH, I KNOW, IT'S JUST MY OWN. 
          PERSONAL FREEDOM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE. 
          WE DON'T? YEAH, IT'S. NO, IT'S JUST BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE. IT'S OUR PREROGATIVE TO CHARGE WHAT WE BELIEVE OR NOT CHARGE. WE'RE LEAVING IT OPEN. OTHERS CAN BE LIKE YOU AND AND AND WAIVE THE FEE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD A GOOD THING TO DO. BUT, UH, THE THEY'RE OPEN. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET CHARGED WITH AN ETHICS VIOLATION IF THEY DO COLLECT $100. IT'S ALSO IT'S IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ON TOWN PROPERTY. IT'S WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE TOWN. SO IF YOU HAVE THE LOCAL JUDGE THAT TRAVELS TO SOME HALL TO DO WITH SERVICE, AND HE WANTS TO CHARGE $100, HE CHARGES $100. YEAH. AND THEY HAVE THE CHOICE OF USING SOMEBODY ELSE. RIGHT. 
          SURE. OKAY. BACK ELSE. 
          SO YEAH. UM, I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH L. THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE WAS TO ADD IN THE PROVISION. UM. 
          576. PAGE NUMBERS ON THIS. SO NOW I'M SORRY. THAT'S RIGHT. 
          FORMATTING KIND. OF PAGINATED. 
          SORRY. YEAH I APOLOGIZE, I HAD SO MUCH TROUBLE. SO THE NEXT IS UNDER, UM. UH, AND YES, WHICH FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE LETTER IS CROSSED OUT. SORRY, BUT IT'S ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS FOR A BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, AND IT'S JUST CLARIFYING, UM, BASED ON SOME OF THE RECENT SITUATIONS THAT THE IDEA IS THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AN OUTSIDE BUSINESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO ACCIDENTALLY TRIGGER WHEN YOU'RE DOING TOWN WORK. WHERE ARE YOU? IT LOOKS. LIKE 75, 74, FIVE, 74. 
          IT SHOULD BE. IT SHOULD BE. N FOR SOME REASON IT GOT CROSSED OUT, WHICH I AGAIN, SORRY, IT'S THE. 
          BLACK LINE STANDARDS FOR BUILDING.. 
          OH MY GOD, I DON'T KNOW. I JUST HAVE TWO WORDS. 
          SO WHY ARE WE. WHY IS THAT JUST WHY IS THAT JUST A BUILDING DEPARTMENT NOW? WHY IS IT NOT JUST. 
          IT'S BUILDING N. THERE'S SPECIFIC SECTIONS THROUGHOUT. THROUGHOUT THE. 
          PROVINCE, PARTICULAR POSITIONS, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, ATTORNEYS HAS ONE SUPERVISOR HAS ONE. OKAY. UM, OKAY. PLANNING AND ZONING HAS ONE. OKAY. 
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570 OKAY. SO 575 THE EXCEPTIONS IN SECTION B, UM, THIS WAS JUST MODERNIZING AS TO WHAT COUNTS AS A PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY. 
          YES. ESPECIALLY NOW THAT NASDAQ IS IN EXCHANGE. AND, WELL, WHATEVER, WE JUST MODERNIZED IT. SO IT REFLECT COVERS THE CURRENT REPORT. YEAH. CAN I JUST ASK YOU A QUESTION IN TERMS OF, LET'S SAY THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE ZONING BOARD? UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY ON A ZONING BOARD, PLANNING BOARD, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THESE BOARDS AND, UM, THERE'S AN APPLICATION AND THEY'RE ALSO INVOLVED, SAY, IN A POLITICAL PARTY OR IN A CAMPAIGN OR WHATEVER. AND, UM, AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE THE POLITICAL PARTY ORGANIZATION IS HAVING A FUNDRAISER, BUT THERE'S AN APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'S AN APPLICATION BEFORE THE BEFORE THE TOWN, BUT THEY'RE NOT DIRECTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN THE SOLICITATION OF THE FUNDS. BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE PART OF THE PARTY, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THEY'RE TAKING A BIG APPLE, A BIG LOTS OF THE THE ORGANIZATION, THE APPLICANT IS MAKING A MAJOR DONATION TO THE PARTY. IS THAT WOULD THAT BE A CONFLICT? DO YOU FOLLOW DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT. 
          I'M SAYING? I'M TRYING TO. IF SOMEBODY ON A PLANNING OR SOMEBODY ON A PLANNING BOARD OR ZONING BOARD, RIGHT. UH, THERE'S AN APPLICATION. THERE'S AN APPLICATION BY A DEVELOPER TO BUILD SOMETHING IN THE TOWN. YES. UM, THE DEVELOPER, UM, DONATES. NOT TO THEM, BUT TO THE POLITICAL PARTY. BUT THEY'RE AN OFFICER IN THE PARTY, RIGHT? UM, UM, BUT THEY'RE ALSO SITTING ON THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE ZONING BOARD. UM, SO THE THING IS, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER KNOWS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE COVERING FAVOR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FAVORS BY, UM, BY DONATING, NOT TO THEM, BUT TO THE PARTY. AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL CONFLICT. IT'S AN INDIRECT WAY OF COVERING FOR INDIRECT WAY OF COVERING FAVORED, UH, YOU KNOW, TREATMENT. THEY'RE NOT GIVING DIRECTLY, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, A PLANNING BOARD OR A ZONING BOARD MEMBER WITH A GIVEN, UM, TO A PARTY THAT THAT SOMEBODY WHO COULD BE A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD OR ZONING BOARD. I UNDERSTAND WHAT. 
          THE DEFINITION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST THEN. 
          WELL. I'M JUST I. 
          UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SUPERVISOR IS SAYING, AND IT'S IT'S A-OKAY BECAUSE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, THAT'S A VERY COMMONPLACE THING. SO WE KNOW. 
          THAT TO. A PARTY. YEAH. BUT WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE US SENATE IS NOT, UH, SORT OF LIKE THE LITMUS TEST OF THE JUST SAYING. IF I MIGHT. 
          IF I MIGHT JUST FINISH. YEAH. WHAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. 
          THE THE ONLY REASON, THE ONLY WAY THAT DEVELOPER OF THE DEVELOPER WAS SMART WOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD GIVE THAT KIND OF MONEY AS IF THE POLITICAL PARTY HE WAS, HE OR SHE WAS GIVING TO, UH, HAD ACCESS TO, YOU KNOW, WAS IN CHARGE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IN THE MAJORITY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE A RANKING MEMBER, THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD AS THE MAJORITY MEMBER TO USE THE CONGRESSIONAL COMPARISON TO. 
          THAT'S DELUDED. YEAH. 
          AND YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A VOLUNTARY POSITION. YEAH. THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBER, ZONING BOARD MEMBER, UM, IS NOT ELECTED TO THE POSITION THE ANY WHAT BENEFIT DOES THAT PERSON DERIVE FROM A CONTRIBUTION TO HIS POLITICAL PARTY? NO, I'M JUST ASKING. YEAH. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. A CONFLICT OF INTEREST HAS TO BE DEFINED AND INTERPRETED. 
          IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. AND YEAH, I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER AREAS WHERE THAT MIGHT COME. SOMEBODY SAYS, OH, YEAH, I GAVE TO THE PARTY. OH, AND BY THE WAY, THE PARTY JUST PAID. YOU KNOW, I'M OF COUNSEL TO A LAW FIRM. I DON'T WORK FOR THIS LAW FIRM. I'M JUST A COUNSEL TO THEM. SO HOW THEY GET AWAY WITH IT IN ALBANY. SO HOW MANY ASSEMBLY MEMBERS ARE LAWYERS? YOU KNOW, WRITING LEGISLATION AND BEING PAID FOR IT BY THE LAW FIRMS THERE OF COUNSEL TO OUTSIDE OF ALBANY? OH, YEAH. 
          UNDER THE ROCKEFELLER ADMINISTRATION 55 YEARS AGO THIS BECAME LEGAL TO DO. YOU COULD LOBBY YOURSELF IN ESSENCE. OKAY. THAT'S IN ALBANY. I DON'T THINK WE ENCOUNTER MUCH OF THAT. WELL, NOT REALLY. 
          I THINK THE SUPREME COURT DECISION, THOUGH, YOU CAN'T LIMIT ANY DONATIONS TO A POLITICAL PARTY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST YOU JUST THERE'S NO LEGAL WAY TO SAY YOU CAN'T DONATE. 
          FOR FREE SPEECH. OKAY. 
          YEAH. AND THEY'RE A PERSON. COMPANIES ARE PEOPLE NOW. PEOPLE TOO. 
          YEAH. THE COMPANY. 
          CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE, TOO. YEAH, THAT WAS NICE. 
          ACTUALLY, THERE WAS ONE BEFORE THAT SAID, IT. REALLY? YEAH, YEAH. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. 
          YEAH. MR. SUPERVISOR, THAT WAS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. NOW HOW DO WE INCORPORATE IT INTO THIS? IF WE WERE TO DO SO? WELL LET'S. 
          SEE AS WE GO THE SAME THING. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT COMPANIES. I'M NOT GOING TO NAME THEM THAT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE FUNDING FOR OUR INTERNSHIP PROGRAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE APPLICATIONS AND BUILDING PERMITS OUTSTANDING. SHOULD WE BE ACTUALLY ACCEPTING THOSE 
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KIND OF DONATIONS? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY, AND I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GIVING IT TO US SO THAT THEY'LL GET A BUILDING PERMIT. HOPEFULLY THEY DO ALL THE CODE COMPLIANCE, BUT IT COULD BE AN INFERENCE THAT IT'S INFLUENCING YOU TO MAKE SURE, HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE THEY GET THE APPROVALS THEY WANT. 
          BUT THE TOWN BOARD HAS THE OPTION OF PUTTING IT UP AS A RESOLUTION AND LETTING THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          ON CLOSING. IT, AND MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT. IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. IT'S OUT ALL OUT IN THE OPEN. 
          UM. THAT'S, UH, YOU SHOULD BE GIVING THIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY OR THE CHILDREN'S CANCER SOCIETY OR SOME GENUINE CHARITY. NOT TO GREEDY POLITICAL, YOU KNOW, OPERATIVES. 
          ALL RIGHT. I GUESS YOU'D. ALSO. 
          YEAH. MY INTERNSHIP PROGRAM IS A GREEDY PLEASURE. NO, I WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT AT ALL. NEVER. NOT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THE, UH, THE, UH, ADDING OUTSIDE, WHICH I THINK IS A HELPFUL ADDITION. 
          JUST TO CLARIFY THAT. THE INTENTION. 
          OF THE LANGUAGE. MEANING IT'S NOT WITH. 
          IT, NOT WITHIN. THE TOWN. WITHOUT. WITHOUT. 
          YES. WITHOUT IT. THE TOWN GOVERNMENT. 
          THIS THIS QUESTION CAME UP WITH THE WITH THE ISSUE EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT MR. MORABITO AND SO FORTH ABOUT CAN SOMEONE HOLD TWO DIFFERENT JOBS, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE TOWN AND, AND PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE, IT MIGHT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN READ BY SOME PEOPLE AS PROHIBITING THAT. WE WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT IT WAS OUTSIDE. 
          AND THE SAME APPLIES TO SOMEBODY WHO'S NOW AN ATTORNEY WHO IS WORKING AS A PART TIME ATTORNEY WHILE ALSO WORKING IN THE BUILDING. CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT THE OUTSIDE WAS HELPFUL. 
          RIGHT? IT WOULD APPLY TO WORK BEING DONE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN. 
          THE ASSESSOR HAS, UH, STATE STATUTE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO. 
          TO WORK AT MULTIPLE MUNICIPALITIES. 
          STATE STATUTE? YES. THAT JUST TALKS ABOUT THE STATE STATUTE, THOUGH EACH MUNICIPALITY MAY HAVE THEIR OWN. 
          REQUIREMENT OR RESTRICTION. RIGHT. BUT SHE WOULD THE ASSESSOR WOULD STILL BE COVERED BY AN ETHICS CODE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE STATE STATUTE SAYS. YES. 
          SO THAT AGAIN, I'M SORRY, FRANCIS. 
          THE. A PERSON, EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE A STATE STATUTE, ALLOWS THEM TO DO IT. OUR ETHICS CODE IS CONTROLLING HERE UNLESS SOMEBODY TELLS ME OTHERWISE IS THAT THEY HAVE TO ALSO COMPLY WITH OUR OUR ETHICS CODE. AND IF IT PROHIBITS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT MAY INFLUENCE THEM. UM, IT'S PROHIBITED. SO OKAY. 
          HOWEVER, DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS, YOU WOULD STILL LOOK AT CONFLICT OF INTEREST, RIGHT. 
          WELL, WE'RE DEFINING IT. YES. 
          BUT SO EVEN SO. OKAY, I'M I HAVE A DISCONNECT. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S THAT THERE'S STATE STATUTE, SHE CAN STILL OR HE OR SHE CAN STILL AN ASSESSOR IN GENERAL. THIS IS GENERAL TERMS NOT PICKING ON THE ASSESSOR. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT'S CONSIDERED OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT, ISN'T IT BECAUSE SHE'S NOT WORKING FOR THE TOWN, THEY ARE NOT WORKING FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG. SO GINA, GINA IS THE ASSESSOR. SHE'S NOT WORKING FOR THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, HOWEVER, SHE'S THE ASSESSOR IN MOUNT VERNON. SHE'S ASSESSOR, NEW ROCHELLE, SHE'S ASSESSOR IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. SO THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED AN OUTSIDE JOB. 
          THAT IS, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT AN OUTSIDE JOB. I'M SAYING IT'S NOT EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED BY STATE STATUTE. UM, STATE STATUTE SPECIFIES THAT YOU CAN BE AN ACCESSORY IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS. HOWEVER, THERE'S DIFFERENT LAYERS TO IT, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE THE STATE STATUTE. THEN YOU HAVE TOWN POLICIES AND TOWN CODE AND TOWN PERSONNEL REQUIREMENTS THAT STILL WOULD APPLY. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PARTICULAR MUNICIPALITIES, RIGHT? ONE MUNICIPALITIES MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF HOURS A WEEK OR A CERTAIN HOURS OR WHATEVER IT IS. IT'S IT'S KIND OF TAILORED TO THE MUNICIPALITY. IN ADDITION TO THAT STATE STATUTE. 
          WHEN WE WROTE THIS, I DON'T THINK WE WERE THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO MIGHT OCCUPY SIMILAR POSITIONS IN OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT. WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE PRIVATE CORPORATIONS, LIKE A PLUMBING COMPANY OR AN ELECTRICAL COMPANY OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, MAYBE. 
          I'M REFERRING TO WITHIN GREENBERG, SO IT STILL WOULDN'T PICK UP YOUR EXAMPLE OF THE ASSESSOR, BECAUSE. RIGHT. IF SHE'S WORKING FOR MOUNT VERNON, THAT IS NOT AT ISSUE IN THIS PROVISION, WHICH IS REALLY REFERRING TO HAVING ANY OTHER PRIVATE JOB WITHIN GREENBERG. GREENBERG. 
          YOU KNOW, MAYBE, UM, AS WAS. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME. SO THIS ONLY PERTAIN TO A PRIVATE JOB IN GREENBERG, SO. 
          OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S. I THINK YOU CAN'T REALLY, LIKE, CONFLICT WITH YOUR TOWN JOB. PRIVATE JOBS. HAVE A LIKE. I DON'T BUSINESS RATHER THAN TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          RIGHT. I THINK IT'S WITHIN UNINCORPORATED GREENBERG. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. YES. 
          YES. YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS TO HAVE, LIKE, A DEFINED TOWN POLICY RELATING 
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TO, YOU KNOW, SECOND JOBS, BECAUSE AS MANY EMPLOYEES IN THE TOWN WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE, YOU KNOW, SECOND JOBS, WE'VE NEVER REALLY AS A TOWN BOARD SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE POLICY, THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A POLICY, WE HAVE TO TREAT. I'M SORT OF QUOTING FROM YOUR OPINIONS. YOU SAY I READ IT. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE TO BASICALLY TREAT EVERYBODY EQUALLY, UM, AND NOT JUST FOCUS ON ONE, BUT FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, SAY THIS IS THE POLICY FOR EVERY DEPARTMENT HAD EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS IN THE TOWN. THIS IS SOMETHING MAYBE THE ETHICS BOARD COULD HELP US. 
          UH, YOU. KNOW, THE SECOND JOB IS NOT REALLY THE ISSUE, RIGHT? IT'S THE SECOND JOB. IF IT CREATES A CONFLICT WITH YOUR TOWN DUTIES. RIGHT. BUT SHOULD WE BE REQUIRING OR SHOULD WE REQUIRE, UM, ANYONE WHO HAS A SECOND JOB TO REPORT THE SECOND JOB, UM, TO, UM, SAY TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY TO FOLLOW, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THERE BE SOME SORT OF A COURT REPORTING. BACK IN THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM AND THAT WOULD LIST THEIR OUTSIDE BUSINESSES AND OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT? SO ANYBODY THAT'S REQUIRED TO FILL OUT THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORM THAT IS PRODUCED ANNUALLY, WE DO HAVE 100% COMPLIANCE THE LAST FEW YEARS, WHICH HAS BEEN GREAT. AND I THINK, UM, COUNCILWOMAN HABER HAS ALSO BEEN TRYING TO PUT IN A COMMENT. 
          SO AND WHAT OF THE SECOND JOB IS YOU'RE A CHECKER AT THE SUPERMARKET? YOU RIGHT. YOU BEAT ME TO THAT QUESTION. 
          STAY WITH ME. EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE. 
          I DON'T I DON'T WE DON'T NEED TO. I MEAN, I THINK AT THAT LEVEL I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE OPPOSED IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST INTO THE, UM, FIRST DEPUTY TOWN ATTORNEY, AS YOU MENTIONED. YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ALREADY BEING CAPTURED ON THE DISCLOSURE FORM, WHY DO WE HAVE TO KEEP GOING TO SUCH THAT LEVEL? I MEAN, LET'S SAY THE DIRECT CONFLICT OF SOMEBODY IS IN ONE TRADE AND THEY'RE SUPERVISING THAT TRADE WHILE THEY'RE WORKING FOR THE TOWN. THAT IS A DIRECT CONFLICT. SO. MISS HALEY. 
          IMMEDIATE FAMILY. I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. 
          CAN CAN YOU, UM, TEXT THE QUESTION? WE CAN REPEAT IT. ON THE. FAMILY MEMBERS. 
          WELL, WE'RE, UH, YOU STRUCK ON THE NEW YORK OR AMERICAN STOCK EXCHANGE. YES. 
          ARE YOU ANTI-AMERICAN? WELL. 
          IT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST ANYMORE, BUT THIS IS JUST MODERNIZING THE REFERENCES. YOU DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT IT? YES. CHICAGO MERCANTILE. 
          YES. WE COULD LIST OUT EVERY SINGLE EXCHANGE, BUT THAT SEEMED A BIT UNNECESSARY. ON 500. 
          OKAY. I DON'T SEE CRYPTOCURRENCY. 
          OH, SURE. WE CAN ADD THAT. WOULD YOU LIKE A WHOLE NEW SECTION ON CRYPTO? OH, OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVING ALONG. SO THEN WE'RE ON 577 PROHIBITED POLITICAL ACTIVITIES. THIS IS THE FUN PART. 
          YEAH. OKAY. OH, THIS IS THE ONE YOU SHOULD DO. DO YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN THIS? BECAUSE. PEOPLE ARE POLITICALLY INVOLVED THROUGHOUT WESTCHESTER COUNTY. THAT'S A GOOD THING. IT'S GOOD TO BE INVOLVED. AND SOME PEOPLE ARE ELECTED TO THE POSITION KNOWN AS COUNTY COMMITTEE MEMBER OF A POLITICAL PARTY, FORMALLY INFORMALLY KNOWN AS A DISTRICT LEADER, WHICH IS WE CAN EXPLAIN TO EVERYONE HERE. EVERYONE HERE UNDERSTANDS THAT TERM. THOSE ARE UNPAID POSITIONS, AS ARE POSITIONS WITHIN THE PARTY HIERARCHY. CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR, TREASURER, SECRETARY, WHAT HAVE YOU. THOSE ARE UNPAID POSITIONS. AND SO ORIGINALLY THE THE, THE 577 WAS WRITTEN TO SUGGEST THAT ANYONE INVOLVED IN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, WHICH COULD BE A CHAIR OR TREASURER OF A POLITICAL PARTY, IS NOT ELIGIBLE, NO APPOINTED OFFICER SHALL HOLD ANY ELECTED, UH, FEDERAL NEW YORK STATE, WESTCHESTER COUNTY OR TOWN OF GREENBERG PUBLIC OFFICE. AND WE PUT THAT IN THERE. UM, WE PUT THE PAY IN THERE. SHALL RECEIVE COMPENSATION FOR THEIR POSITION IN ANY FEDERAL OR NEW YORK STATE, WESTCHESTER COUNTY OR TOWN OF GREENBERG. POLITICAL ORGANIZATION. AND THAT'S JUST ABOUT COVERS EVERYONE IN ALL THE PARTIES, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG. IS THAT NOT. ISN'T IT ALSO MORE IN LINE WITH THE, UM, THE STATE STATUTE, WHAT IT SAYS REGARDING THE SIMILAR ISSUE? I HAVEN'T READ THE STATE STATUTE. IT WOULD OVER NATURALLY, IT WOULD SUPERSEDE ANYTHING WE HAVE. BUT WE JUST FELT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ELECTED DISTRICT LEADERS ON THE BOARD OF ETHICS FROM MULTIPLE PARTIES, AND IT WOULD NEITHER OF THOSE PARTIES. I CAN SPEAK TO, THIS RECEIVES ANY COMPENSATION FOR THAT ELECTED POSITION OF VOLUNTEERING. YOU KNOW, AS A DISTRICT LEADER. SO THIS SIMPLY TAKES OUT, IF THEY WERE COMPENSATED FOR IT, UH, THEN IT WOULD PROVIDE A 
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CONFLICT. THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON THE THESE COMMITTEES. 
          SO SO IF SOMEBODY IS, UM, SAY, AN EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN AND THEY WANT TO RUN FOR VILLAGE TRUSTEE IN A COMMUNITY AND THAT'S A PAID JOB. , THAT'S DIFFERENT. 
          IT SAYS OVER HERE, DOESN'T IT SAY OVER HERE, UM, THAT'S A PAID JOB. YEAH, THAT'S A PAID JOB. 
          SO AND IT SAYS IN ANY FEDERAL TOWN, UH, SO WOULD THAT BE PROHIBITED? IT WOULDN'T BE PROHIBITED. DO YOU JUST RESIGN THE APPOINTED POSITION TO. SEEK ELECTIVE OFFICE? NO, BUT I'M SAYING IF SOMEBODY IS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN BECAUSE IT HAS NO APPOINTED OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN. UM, SO IF THEY DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO RUN FOR, FOR OFFICE AND SAY, AND IT'S A PAID JOB, SAY TOWN OR VILLAGE TRUSTEE AND HASTINGS OR DOBBS FERRY OR WHATEVER, THEY WOULD BE PROHIBITED. SO I THINK THAT I DON'T I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE INVOLVED IN, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT'S TOO RESTRICTIVE. WELL, THIS IS JUST ABOUT WHO CAN SERVE ON THE BOARD OF ETHICS. 
          WAIT, NO, WAIT. NO. NO, NO, NOT SPECIFICALLY. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. YES. 
          OKAY. SO, TIM, WE DO HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC SITUATION. 
          OH, I SEE, YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SORRY. I'M LISTENING. WE DO HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC SITUATION WITH THE ETHICS BOARD IN THAT WE DO HAVE SOME WHO ARE DISTRICT LEADERS, BUT ALSO, DON'T YOU MAINTAIN A LEADERSHIP POSITION IN YOUR POLITICAL COMMITTEE. 
          ASKING ME? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO BEING THAT IS DIFFERENT IN MY VIEW, THAT BEING A DISTRICT LEADER, HAVING A LEADERSHIP POSITION, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IF THERE WAS A LEADERSHIP POSITION THAT WOULD BE PRECLUDED BY BEING A A DISTRICT LEADER, THAT WAS ALLOWABLE. 
          WELL, EVEN IF YOU'RE IN LEADERSHIP. 
          AND THE ETHICS BOARD IS THE ONLY BOARD THAT HAS ANY KIND OF A POLITICAL, UM, AFFILIATION REQUIREMENT OR, YOU KNOW, NO OTHER WORDS HAVE THAT. MM. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT WHEN I MENTIONED THE STATE LAW, IS THAT NOT ONLY WAS THIS BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY AS AN ETHICS, UM, OPINION FROM A FEW YEARS AGO, IT WAS ACTUALLY EVALUATED. THE PARTICULAR ISSUE YOU'RE BRINGING UP NOW, BUT ALSO THAT, UM, THERE WAS REFERENCE TO THE STATE STATUTE REGARDING HOW THE STATE TREATS IT. AND, UM, THE TOWN WAS MORE RESTRICTIVE AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHY THERE WAS CONSIDERATION OF HOW IT WOULD APPLY SPECIFICALLY TO WHEN SOMEBODY RECEIVING COMPENSATION. RIGHT. I THINK THAT WAS THE IDEA. YEAH. IF THEY'RE. 
          UH, MISS HABER, THAT WAS A VERY GOOD A VERY GOOD POINT YOU JUST MADE. BUT I'M GOING TO TAKE MYSELF OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE OF THE, THE OBVIOUS, UH, CONFLICT THERE AND LET THE REST OF YOU DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT HOW THAT FEELS. AND ULTIMATELY, ANY OF THESE MEASURES. 
          I THINK YOU POTENTIAL CONFLICT. POTENTIAL CONFLICT. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. YES. THANK YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, MIKE, ANY FINANCIAL INTEREST FOR NOT JUST TO BE CLEAR. BUT THE WAY THIS READS DOES NOT IT PRECLUDES CONFLICT. UM, IF IT'S AN UNPAID POSITION, CORRECT. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD, UM. 
          WE SHOULD INCLUDE IN THIS, UM, A LEADERSHIP POSITION, EVEN IF IT'S UNPAID? I'M SUGGESTING THAT A LEADERSHIP POSITION, OBVIOUSLY HAS GREATER INFLUENCE THEN ON LEADERSHIP POSITION. HOW DO WE WANT TO WORK WITH THAT? I'M OPPOSING IT, I DON'T. I DON'T I DON'T SEE ANY I DON'T SEE ANY, UH, REASON FOR THAT. FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE A LEADERSHIP POSITION IN A PARTY THAT HAS ZERO, UH UH, INFLUENCE IN THE TOWN. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE THE CHAIR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE THE CHAIR OF THE CALL, IT NOT MATTER. NO, BUT I'M SAYING SAY IT'S NOT OBVIOUS COMING AFTER US. RIGHT? SO EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE THE PARTY CHAIR, YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AS MUCH INFLUENCE AS, SAY, A DEMOCRATIC DISTRICT LEADER WHO, IS. YOU MAY HAVE MORE INFLUENCE WITH, WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND I ALSO FEEL THAT WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING, UM, UM, PEOPLE FROM ALL POLITICAL PARTIES TO GET INVOLVED. SO I. 
          WOULD SUGGEST THAT I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE NOT URGING EQUALLY FOR POLITICAL PARTIES. THAT'S NOT MY SUGGESTION AT ALL. I'M LOOKING AT POTENTIAL INFLUENCE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION, AND WE DON'T MAKE POLICIES OR RULES OR 
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AMENDMENTS BASED ON SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES. THEY SHOULD BE OVERARCHING, UH, TO GUIDE. THAT'S HOW WE ESTABLISH THESE THINGS, NOT WHETHER THIS PARTICULAR PARTY RIGHT NOW HAS INFLUENCE AROUND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. 
          WELL, I'M JUST WHAT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT INFLUENCE IS THAT POLITICAL AFFILIATION GOING TO HAVE? UM, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE BOARD OF ETHICS. 
          WELL, I MEAN, THE ETHICS ALREADY HAS BEEN SET UP THAT YOU HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER FROM DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS, CORRECT. 
          WE HAVE A LIMIT. THERE'S A LIMITATION, YES. BUT, UM, IT I'M TALKING WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT INFLUENCE, WHAT INFLUENCE WOULD A A PARTY CHAIR HAVE OVER OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BOARD JUST BECAUSE HE'S A REPUBLICAN? UH, CHAIRMAN, AS OPPOSED TO A DEMOCRAT? PEACE AND FREEDOM. 
          NO. IT'S NOT WHETHER HE'S A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT. 
          YOU'RE OUT OF WHAT I'M SAYING. I'M SAYING IF THERE WERE DISTRICT LEADERS FROM EITHER PARTY AND YOU HAVE THE CHAIR FROM EITHER FROM FROM THAT PARTY, THAT PERSON EXERTS POTENTIAL INFLUENCE OVER THEM BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS IN THAT LEADERSHIP POSITION IN THE OTHER ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. WELL, IF WE REALLY ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, REDUCING INFLUENCE, WE SHOULD. 
          SAY WE. SHOULD SAY THAT NO DISTRICT LEADER SHOULD BE A MEMBER OF THE OF ANY TOWN BOARD. THE YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS AT FORDHAM, THE FERRER COMMISSION AT THAT POINT, UM, CAME UP WITH RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE INVESTIGATING CORRUPTION IN NEW YORK CITY, AND THEY SAID NO ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD BE A MEMBER OF A POLITICAL PARTY ORGANIZATION. AND I. 
          BASICALLY SINCE THEN, I'VE NEVER BEEN A DISTRICT LEADER, BUT WE COULD DO THE SAME. UH, YOU KNOW. 
          WE COULD DO THE SAME THING. NO, BUT I'M SAYING IF WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON IT, WE SHOULD BE CONSISTENT. 
          WELL. LET HAVE CONSISTENCY IS ABOUT INFLUENCE. BUT THE POINT RIGHT. 
          BY THE PARTY. THE PARTY THEN WE SHOULD SAY NO DISTRICT LEADERS SHOULD HAVE. I MEAN, WE COULD SAY WE COULD. WE SHOULD SAY NO. 
          DISTRICT LEADERS SHOULD BE. INVOLVED IN THAT. DISTRICT LEADERS I'M TALKING ABOUT CHAIRS. 
          I DON'T SEE A CHAIR OR VICE CHAIR HAVING MORE INFLUENCE THAN ANYBODY. ELSE. 
          MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE MAY HAVE. THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT ANYTHING AGAINST HIM. THIS IS JUST A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF IS. THIS IS A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OVER EXERTION OF INFLUENCE. IS IT NOT A POSSIBILITY? I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT WE GOT TO LOOK AT B AS TWO PARTS. OKAY. THE THE ONLY THE SECOND PART REFERS TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS. THE SECOND SENTENCE, I GUESS IT WOULD BE NO MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS SHALL SEEK ELECTED OFFICE OR SEEK A COMPENSATED OFFICE IN ANY POLITICAL ORGANIZATION. THAT'S BOARD OF ETHICS. OKAY. THE SECTION BEFORE THAT DOESN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT COMPENSATION. 
          OH, IT DOES SAY IT DOES. DOES THEY RECEIVE COMPENSATION FOR THE POSITION? UM. BUT THE, THE THE INFLUENCE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, TO ME IS POLITICAL INFLUENCE ON ANOTHER POLITICIAN WITH THE WITH WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTY INFLUENCE AND. OH. 
          YOU KNOW AND NOT, UM. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE A POLITICIAN, YOU'RE IF YOU'RE ELECTED, YOU'RE A MEMBER OF A PARTY AND A STORY, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT WHAT ADDITIONAL INFLUENCE DOES THAT PERSON GOING TO HAVE ON THEM? ON AN EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN? WELL, IF YOU READ THIS BEFORE, THE. EMPLOYEES, I'M NOT TELLING MY EMPLOYEES ALL THE TIME. MEMBERS OF OF OF THE BOARD. 
          SO YOU'RE ARE YOU ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT, FOR INSTANCE, I MEAN, AS LONG AS WE'VE USED THE TERMINOLOGY. EXCUSE ME. 
          TIM. YEAH. SO SO THE CHAIR OF A, UM, OF ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER MIGHT HAVE UNDUE INFLUENCE ON ANOTHER MEMBER. 
          THE OTHER MEMBER OF THE ETHICS BOARD OF THE SAME PARTY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE UNDUE INFLUENCE IN IN DIRECTING THEIR ETHICAL DECISIONS? YES. I'M TALKING. ABOUT, BUT LET. 
          DID YOU HAVE. ANY. DID YOU HEAR WHAT I. OKAY. 
          YEAH. NO I WASN'T FINISHED I WASN'T FINISHED THOUGH WHEN YOU STARTED TALKING I. SAID I CAN'T TELL BECAUSE IT'S BREAKING UP A PARTY. I UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS SAYING IS, ARE YOU DO YOU ARE YOU ENVISIONING LIKE A TIM OR SOMEONE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION IN A IN A PARTY HAVING 
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UNDUE INFLUENCE ON THE OTHER MEMBER OR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF THE SAME PARTY TO CHANGE THEIR ETHICAL. 
          YES. TO ETHICAL JUDGMENT? YES. I'M JUST I'M PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AS A QUESTION. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OF A, SOMEONE WHO'S A DISTRICT LEADER BEING, YOU KNOW, HAVING A LEADERSHIP POSITION ON ANOTHER BOARD. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS JUST VERY SPECIFIC TO THIS, REALLY. 
          THAT'S ALL. BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANY WAY THAT I CAN I DON'T SEE ANY ETHICS ISSUE WITH, UM, HAVING A PARTY CHAIR. UH, ALSO, UH, CHAIRING THE ETHICS BOARD, ESPECIALLY IF HE IS NOT AFFILIATED. 
          AND WE KNOW YOUR OPINION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE REST OF THE BOARD. I. OKAY, IT'S ELLEN, AND I THINK THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO ACT UNETHICALLY TO CHANGE THEIR POSITION BECAUSE OF THE INFLUENCE, THAT THEY WOULD NOT THEY THEY SHOULD NOT BE ON THE BOARD. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPARENT. COULD I JUST IF WE READ B AND AND STOP AT OR HOLD OFFICE, NO. APPOINTED OFFICER EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN OR AGENCY MEMBER. WHICH MEANS THE MEMBERS OF OUR VOLUNTEER BOARDS AS WELL SHALL HOLD ANY ELECTED FEDERAL, NEW YORK STATE, WESTCHESTER COUNTY OR TOWN OF GREENBERG PUBLIC OFFICE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? YOU CAN'T HOLD OFFICE AND BE COMPENSATED IN A POLITICAL POSITION. WELL, WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT YET. OKAY. 
          NO APPOINTED OFFICER OR EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN. 
          NOBODY CAN RUN FOR OFFICE IF THEY HAVE A POSITION. 
          HOLD PUBLIC. OFFICE OR HOLD. WAIT A MINUTE. 
          IT'S SAYING THAT APPOINTED OFFICES, EMPLOYEES AND AGENCIES CAN'T RUN FOR OFFICE. UH, IN ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW, BODY IN THIS AREA, THAT'S JUST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          OR SO IT'S SAYING. FOR EXAMPLE. YOU TALK LOUDER BECAUSE THAT'S YOU'RE. NOT SAYING THAT A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER CAN'T RUN FOR OFFICE. 
          AND GET. FOR AN OFFICE THAT HAS COMPENSATION ALONG. WITH. 
          IT, UNLESS THEY WERE TO LEAVE THAT BOARD. YEAH. YES. YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW. THE COUNTY LEGISLATOR. 
          THAT GETS US THE SECOND PART IS COMPENSATION IS TAKEN UP IN THE SECOND PART AFTER THE OR OR HOLD OFFICE, WHEREBY THEY RECEIVE COMPENSATION FOR THEIR POSITION IN ANY FEDERAL, UH. 
          UH, NEW YORK STATE, WESTCHESTER COUNTY OR TOWN OF GREENBERG POLITICAL ORGANIZATION. THAT'S WHERE THE COMPENSATION COMES IN. 
          NOW, IS IT MEANT THAT THE COMPENSATION APPLIES TO THE FIRST PART AS WELL? I THINK I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. UM. OH, I'M THERE. 
          NO, THAT'S JUST. HE WENT. 
          IT IT MEANT TO I THINK IT WAS MEANT TO PREVENT A PERSON FROM HOLDING A PUBLIC OFFICE OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN AND INSIDE THE TOWN. OKAY. BEING KIND OF A LEGISLATOR ON THE TOWN BOARD MEMBER. YEAH, RIGHT. CAN'T DO IT. OKAY. 
          WHEREBY THEY RECEIVE COMPENSATION. SO THAT SAYS WHEREBY APPLIES EVERYTHING PRECEDING IT. 
          YES. THAT'S SO IT'S INTENDED TO BE HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE WHERE YOU'RE RECEIVING COMPENSATION LISTING ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. MHM. RIGHT. 
          YEAH. IT LISTS THEM ALL. AND THEN IT GOES AND SAYS SHALL HOLD ANY ELECTED FEDERAL NEW YORK CITY, WESTCHESTER COUNTY OR A PUBLIC OFFICE OR HOLD OFFICE WHEREBY THEY RECEIVE COMPENSATION FOR THE POSITION. 
          RIGHT. IT'S THE IT'S THE DOUBLE OR IS. 
          YOU GOTTA GET RID OF ONE OF THE YOURS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. UNLESS YOU'RE IN A ROWBOAT. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FRANCIS. 
          WELL. I REMEMBER. 
          I'M THINKING THAT WE DID MEET BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REFERRING TO ANY ELECTED OFFICE. SO I THINK WE'RE REFERRING TO THESE PEOPLE. CAN'T. ALSO, ON TOP OF THAT, HOLD AN ELECTED POSITION. 
          ON TOP OF THAT OR HOLD ANYTHING WHERE THEY WOULD GET COMPENSATED BY THESE OTHER. HOLD ON A SECOND. SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE WE'RE IN ELECTED POSITIONS, WE RECEIVE COMPENSATION. SO DOES THAT OR DOES THAT MAKE US EMPLOYEES OF THE TOWN? KNOW? WELL, THIS IS OKAY. WELL, WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT JUST HERE IN THIS CONVERSATION. IT REFERS TO APPOINTED OFFICERS, 
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NOT ELECTED OFFICERS. SO IT'S BASICALLY EVERYBODY ELSE. 
          YEAH. IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE BOARD. EXCUSE ME. NO APPOINTED OFFICER OR AN EMPLOYEE OF THE TOWN OR AGENCY MEMBER. THOSE ARE NOT AN ELECTED MEMBER. BUT WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT DOES THE FACT THAT WE'RE ELECTED OFFICERS MAKE US AND WE GET COMPENSATED BY THE TOWN, MAKE US EMPLOYEES. 
          EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYEE IS DEFINED, RIGHT. 
          SO AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IS NOT AN EMPLOYEE. 
          OKAY. WELL THAT'S VERY GOOD TO KNOW. 
          BUT IT TALKS ABOUT AGENCY MEMBER, AN AGENCY MEMBER IS A MEMBER OF AN AGENCY. YES. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I DID THIS. UH, AND WHEN YOU THEN LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF AGENCY, IT INCLUDES THE TOWN BOARD, AND WE ARE ELECTED. 
          YOU'RE READING THE DEFINITION OF EMPLOYEE? NO. NO DEFINITION OF AGENCY. 
          RIGHT. BECAUSE AGENCY IS USED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CODE OF ETHICS FOR OTHER PURPOSES. INTERESTING. 
          BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF EMPLOYEE SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES RIGHT. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY EMPLOYEE, AND IT REFERS AS SOON AS IT MENTIONS, UH, AGENCY MEMBER. 
          YEAH. IT KICKS IN THE TOWN BOARD AS WELL. 
          REALLY? YEAH. 
          IT'S THE DEFINITION. IS RIGHT THERE. 
          LIKE I WAS SAYING BEFORE, IT'S BECAUSE IT APPLIES TO OTHER REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE CODE OF ETHICS. SO AGENCY MEMBER. SO PERHAPS YOU'RE GOING TO EITHER HAVE TO CARVE THEM OUT OR THEM OUT HERE OR CHANGE AGENCY MEMBER DEFINITION TO EXCLUDE TOWN BOARD MEMBER AND JUST ADD TOWN BOARD WHERE IT'S APPLICABLE FOR FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORMS AND OTHER AREAS WHERE IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE. SO THOSE IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO PUT THE CARVE OUT HERE. 
          YEAH. THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK THROUGH WHAT WHAT YOU'RE CHANGING EVERYWHERE ELSE. UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. WHAT'S THAT. FOR THE FOR THE RECORD, IF I MIGHT SPEAK NOW HAVING SERVED ON THIS BOARD FOR SEVEN YEARS AND SO IS MISS HOLLAND, SHE CAN ATTEST IF IF SHE DISAGREES WITH ME, SHE MAY BE FREE TO SAY IT. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE OF EITHER PARTY TRY TO INTRODUCE ANY SORT OF POLITICAL INFLUENCE ON ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD. AND IN FACT, EVERY DECISION WE HAVE EVER COME TO THE BOARD OF THE ETHICS BOARD IN THE SEVEN YEARS I'VE BEEN THERE HAS BEEN UNANIMOUS, WITH ONE EXCEPTION. 
          WHEN WE HAD ONE DESCENDING A VOTE THAT WAS YOURS. 
          YES. BUT OTHERWISE THAT GETS. BUT THAT ALSO GETS TO IF IF THAT WAS EVEN A POSSIBILITY, HAVING NO NO PARTY, HAVING A MAJORITY OF THE BOARD ALSO HELPS. BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANTED TO CHANGE. UM, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO. BE THAT'S WHERE. IT'S GOING. 
          TO BE. THAT'S WHERE. YOUR ORIGINAL INTENT REALLY MATTERS. YEAH. IF YOU HAD A MAJORITY OF THREE MEMBERS AND TWO, THEN MISS HARPER'S COMMENT OR HER COMMENT WOULD BE VERY ACCURATE. YEAH. BECAUSE IF YOU HAD A 3 TO 2 MAJORITY OF ONE PARTY OR ANOTHER, THEN THAT IF THE CHAIRMAN OF ONE OF THOSE PARTIES WERE THERE, THAT MIGHT BE UNDUE INFLUENCE. 
          MIGHT BE HARD TO GET YOUR. A BOARD. OF BOARD. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 
          OF ONE PARTY SELECTING THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS. 
          OKAY. I'M TELLING YOU, THIS MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF THE TOWN BOARD SELECTED THE BOARD OF ETHICS. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY HARD SELL FOR ME TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MAJORITY OF ANY PARTY. IT WOULD LIKELY BE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. SO WHY WOULDN'T I WANT THAT? IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR. 
          WELL, IT'S. BUT IT'S IT MAKES THE ASSUMPTION THAT THE PARTIES HAVE SOME INFLUENCE ON WHAT GOES ON IN THE BOARD OF ETHICS. 
          OKAY. EVERYTHING THAT THE BOARD OF ETHICS DOES IS THEN GOES BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH IS ALL DEMOCRATS FOR APPROVAL. 
          SO BASICALLY IT'S ALL DEMOCRATS. PICK THE BOARD OF ETHICS. WHATEVER THE BOARD OF ETHICS DOES, GOES BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD FOR APPROVAL, WHICH IS ALL DEMOCRATS. SO THE BREAKUP IS REALLY A 3 TO 2. BUT LET'S TAKE A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION THAT SOMEBODY IS THE CHAIR OF A BOARD AND IS ALSO THE CHAIR OF A POLITICAL PARTY. PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT THAT PERSON HAS TREMENDOUS INFLUENCE ON THE BOARD. AND IF THAT HAPPENS TO THE SAME PARTY WITH A MAJORITY ON THERE, IT JUST LENDS ITSELF TO THAT TYPE OF DISCUSSION. BUT AS WE DON'T ALLOW THAT, SOMEBODY CAN SIT HERE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT. THEN THERE'S THE ALBIN BERKELEY THEORY. WHICH IS. 
          JUST ONE OF THE THE. BUCKET OF. 
          SOMETHING. TWO, THAT THIS IS UNIQUE TO THE ETHICS BOARD. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. YEAH. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE DIFFICULTY OF BASICALLY STAFFING THE BOARD. 
          RIGHT. WE JUST WANT THAT OTHER MEMBER ON. THE BOARD. 
          YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT YOU MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY STAFFING THE 
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BOARD REGARDLESS. AND IN FACT, A NON-AFFILIATED HAS A LARGER POOL TO TO TAKE FROM. AND IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS IS FOR SURE WHERE YOU'RE WHICH IS WHAT HAS LED YOU TO THIS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NON-AFFILIATED PERSON AND THAT NON-AFFILIATED, WHICH COVERS ANY NUMBER OF CATEGORIES, IS LARGER THAN JUST SINGLY, REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT. WE'RE NOT SEEING THEM. 
          YES, BUT I'M SAYING WHAT I'M SAYING IS, I THINK THAT EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT, YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT ISSUE. THERE IS SOME THERE IS SOME RESTRICTIVE NESS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE THAT'S REALLY I THINK I THINK IT'S IT'S JUST A DIFFICULT. WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE ON ALL THE BOARDS. YEAH. 
          AND STAN THAT WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HIRING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST. JUST AND THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AFFILIATION. ONLY THE ETHICS BOARD HAS AN AFFILIATION WITH POLITICAL PARTY DESIGNATION.. 
          THAT'S TRUE. THAT RIGHT. WOW. THAT JUST. OH. 
          WELL, I HAVE AN OPINION, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE. 
          BECAUSE WHY ISN'T THE SAME THING APPLY TO THE ZONING BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD? BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THE ETHICS IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE DISTINCTION THERE, BECAUSE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE ACTIONS OF OTHER BOARDS AND ELECTED, ELECTED AND APPOINTED PERSONS. POTENTIALLY BECAUSE IT LOOKS AT CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS AND OTHER NOT. 
          JUDGING THE MEMBERS OF YOUR OWN PARTY. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND YOU'RE JUDGING PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER BOARDS, WHICH IS BASICALLY MOST OF THEM ARE LAND USE ISSUES. YEAH. 
          MAYBE THE PROPERTY THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE, BUT NOT THE PERSON IN GENERAL. YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE I COULDN'T SEE A PARTY DESIGNATION ON THE ANTENNA BOARD, MEANING. AND I HAVE A FRIEND WHO WANTED TO BE ON THE ANTENNA BOARD. IS THERE A REASON WHY, UM, AND 787578-8 STRUCK OUT THE SAME WORDING THAT YOU ADDED LATER. 
          NO, THAT'S TOTAL FORMATTING. NOTHING CHANGED THERE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LESS UGLY AND IT MADE IT WORSE. 
          I'M SORRY. OKAY. 
          DON'T SEE THAT. YEAH. IT'S LIKE IT HAS THIS RANDOM. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A WHOLE NEW SENTENCE BECAUSE IT KEPT GIVING ME AN EMPTY PAGE. OR IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO AT THE VERY BEGINNING? YEAH, THOSE ARE THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE MANY FORMATTING ISSUES. 
          UM, OKAY. SO JUST TO CLARIFY THOUGH, SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SPECIFICALLY CARVE OUT THE TOWN BOARD OUT OF THIS BE BECAUSE. 577 YEAH, YEAH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. AND SO YES, AGAIN, THAT'S THE THIS LINE AT THE END OF 570-8 BE THAT IS NOT A CHANGE. UM, OKAY. THEN WE GO TO 570 DASH TEN F. 
          YEP. AND THIS NEW LANGUAGE. 
          577 B. OKAY. 
          I NO, THAT'S THE FORMATTING. YEAH. NO, THAT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHANGE. THAT WAS JUST. OH, GOTCHA. JUST SORRY. PURE FORMATTING. UM, I'VE SAID. THE DASH NINE F. 
          YOU SAID UH, TEN 1010. I WAS WONDERING BECAUSE THERE WAS NO. OKAY. UM, AND SO THIS LANGUAGE, WE DISCUSSED ABOUT ADDING TO SORT OF GIVE A LITTLE TEETH TO ENSURE THAT PEOPLE COMPLETE THEIR. 
          ARE, YES. IT'S ALSO INCLUDES THE ETHICS TRAINING. WHICH WAS DID YOU WANT TO SAY A. WORD ABOUT IT? SURE. SO, UM, THERE'S LANGUAGE CURRENTLY FOR THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORMS THAT IF YOU FAIL TO COMPLETE THEM WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME, THERE'S A PROCEDURE AFTERWARDS. HOWEVER, THERE'S NOT A PROCEDURE FOR WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT COMPLETE THEIR ETHICS TRAINING, RIGHT? WHEN THEY'RE MAINTAINING THEIR POSITION ON A BOARD. UM, WHERE OTHER EMPLOYMENT. RIGHT? IT DOESN'T SAY BY WHOM, WHO IS GOING TO NOTIFY. RIGHT. WE WE RUN INTO THAT A FEW TIMES AS TO YOU MAKE A DECISION WHO WHO IN THE TOWN ACTUALLY. DOES THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. OH IT'S THE TOWN. 
          YEAH. RIGHT. SO THE THE FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE FORMS AND THE ETHICS TRAINING CERTIFICATES, WE WE OBTAIN THEM AND REVIEW THEM. SO IS THIS. FAKE OR DID YOU FINISH? YEAH, I JUST WANTED IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THERE. 
          WHO'S ACTUALLY GOING TO NOTIFY THEM. 
          SO THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD BE ASSISTANCE AND ADVICE. 
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YOU CAN. CERTAINLY. I THINK THAT COVERS IT. WELL, WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY. 
          WOULD THAT. BE? OH NO. 
          I THINK. THAT'S. 
          GOOD TO THIS. IS NOT A PROBLEM TO ADD IN BY THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL. UM. 
          AN EMPLOYEE WILL. BE .. THEY CONCLUDED FROM WORKING. 
          NO. SO BEING PRECLUDED FROM CONTINUE ON THE BOARD? YES. NOT NOT FOR PRECLUDED WORKING. YEAH. 
          BUT IT SAYS. UM. OH, ANY AGENCY MEMBER WHO HAS NOT COMPLETED. 
          SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE. SO. YEAH. SO SOME OF IT IS JUST POSTING THEIR NAMES. HOPEFULLY THAT A LITTLE SHAMING WILL ENCOURAGE OR ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET IT DONE. 
          BUT I SUGGEST THE VERY LAST, INSTEAD OF SAYING THIS SHALL BE ENFORCED BY THE CHAIR OF EACH AGENCY TO PUT SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, UH, THE CHAIR OF EACH AGENCY IS REQUIRED TO ENFORCE THIS. SURE. BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WHAT IF THEY DON'T WRITE. REQUIRED CHAIR REQUIRED.? SAY THAT AGAIN, FOR INSTANCE. I'M SORRY. 
          IT'S PUTTING. IT'S SAYING THAT THE CHAIR OF EACH AGENCY IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY DOES AN ACT, UH, IF THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLETED THEIR TRAINING. BUT THAT'S VERY WEAK. 
          SO LET ME SAY, AND THIS MUST BE ENFORCED BY THE CHAIR OF EACH AGENCY, WOULD THAT WORK INSTEAD OF SHALL. 
          JUST I THINK IT'S JUST FLIP IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT. 
          SO THERE THE CHAIR. SHALL BE REQUIRED. 
          TO.. I LIKE TO SHOW BECAUSE THEN. 
          THEN THE CHAIR IS PUTTING THEMSELVES IN JEOPARDY OF GOING BEFORE THE ETHICS BOARD, BECAUSE THEN THEY'RE VIOLATING THE ETHICS CODE. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND THEY COULD SAY TO THE PERSON, LISTEN, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU STILL DO THIS, BUT TAKE THE TRAINING. AND WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE PERSON IN THE SEVEN YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE ETHICS BOARD. ONE PERSON WHO HAS REFUSED TO TAKE THE TRAINING, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO. 
          OH. WE KNOW. ARE WE GOING TO SHAME THEM NOW? NO. 
          PROPOSED. THEY LEFT THE BOARD. THEY LEFT? THEY THEY DID NOT PURSUE THE THE APPOINTMENT. 
          THEY REMEMBER THAT. AND LIKE FOR WHAT I MEAN. 
          EXACTLY. THE TEST THAT EVERYTHING IS SO SIMPLE AND IT'S COMMONSENSICAL THAT NOBODY SHOULD FEEL THREATENED BY TAKING, TAKING ANY OF THOSE THINGS. 
          WHAT IF INSTEAD OF SAYING POSTING IT ON THE WEBSITE, WHAT IF WE WOULD SAY IF AFTER TEN DAYS, UH, THE POSITION IS DECLARED VACANT, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT BECAUSE MY FEELING IS, UH, IF YOU. 
          HAVE VACANT DID YOU SAY. YEAH, IF THEY DON'T, IF WE NOTIFY THEM BY EMAIL, IF WE SEND THEM A CERTIFIED, UH, YOU KNOW, LETTER, AND IF THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING, UH, THEN WE COULD SAY AFTER IT COULD BE TEN DAYS, WHATEVER YOU WANT. YOU RECOMMEND. THE POSITION IS DECLARED VACANT. 
          RENDER THE BOARD'S AND OPERABLE? NO. BECAUSE I'M JUST SAYING. 
          BECAUSE. YEAH. AND THERE COULD BE. MOVING THINGS. COULD BE. LEGITIMATE REASONS INSTEAD OF SHAMING THEM AND PUBLICLY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T FOLDED OUT. YOU KNOW, YOU. 
          KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DRACONIAN. 
          I THINK IF THEY DON'T TAKE THE TRAINING AND THEY MISS A FEW MEETINGS, THEN THE WAY YOU IMPLEMENT THAT IS YOU HAVE AN ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENT. AND IF YOU'RE NO LONGER IN ATTENDANCE FOR THREE DAYS, BUT TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THINGS GO ON AND PEOPLE'S LIVES THAT THEY MIGHT MISS SOMETHING. AND, YOU KNOW. 
          DON'T FORGET THAT. THE POSTING PART ALSO APPLIES TO TOWN EMPLOYEES. AND, UH, DEPARTMENT HEADS. SO IF THEY DON'T APPLY TO GONE. BRING OUT THE DUNCE CAP. YEAH. 
          I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT COUNCILWOMAN HABER INDICATED SHE HAS A HARD STOP IN ABOUT 45 MINUTES. 
          SO WE'LL BE DONE. OKAY. 
          WE'RE DONE. CLOSE HERE. WE JUST. 
          HAVE. A. 
          FEW MORE. WE'RE DONE WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. YOU'RE GETTING UP TO YOUR FAVORITE. UH, CHANGE. I THINK WE'VE ASKED. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT A COUPLE OF TIMES. 
          I THINK. YES. 
          THERE'S MORE CLARITY ON TO WHY WE NEED, UM, TWO MEMBERS. OF THE SAME POLITICAL PARTY AT A PARTY. AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE, TO. BREAK THAT. 
          SO PERHAPS WE SHOULD LEAVE THAT ALONE AND START IT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THE LOGIC THAT CAME. OUT IS IT'S THE ONLY X'S ON THE PAGE. OKAY. I JUST I JUST CAN'T SEE. I CAN'T. 
          SEE IT. I THINK IT MAKES I JUST APPEAL TO THE TOWN BOARD, SEND US AN INDEPENDENT OR THIRD PARTY MEMBER, SOMEBODY YOU LIKE, SOMEBODY WHO WILL PASS MUSTER. 
          WOULDN'T THAT BE UNDUE INFLUENCE? NO. 
          NOT SOMEBODY THAT LIKES SOMEBODY THAT'S QUALIFIED AND HAS THE TIME COMMITMENT. NOT OUR BUSINESS. IT'S THE BUSINESS, NOT OUR BUSINESS AT ALL TO TO SUGGEST ANY APPOINTMENTS. SO I THINK THAT. 
          OVER FOR B AS WELL RIGHT. YES. 
          AND LUCKILY WE'VE HAD NO TIES. WE'VE HAD NO NEED TO BREAK A TIE WITH OUR EVEN NUMBERED MEMBER BOARD. RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S GOOD. I SUGGEST YOU WHEN YOU REWORK THE AGENCY 
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THING TO SHARE THAT WITH US, RATHER THAN PUT TOGETHER ANOTHER DOCUMENT. AND YOU KNOW THAT WE WE DEBATE OVER COMMAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT SO THAT WE WHEN WE GET IT BACK TO THE NEXT TIME, IT'S. I'M SORRY, JUST THAT SECTION DO YOU MEAN OR. NO. 
          NO, NO. BECAUSE YEAH, I ASSUMED WE'D BE MAKING CHANGES AND THEN SENDING IT BACK TO YOU. I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANOTHER REVIEW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT. 
          YOU'RE POSTING. THERE REALLY WEREN'T OTHER MAJOR CHANGES, WERE THERE? THERE'S ONE MORE. 
          OKAY, SO JUST. GIVE. 
          US BACK. GIVE US ANOTHER. 
          DRAFT. YEAH. 
          SO WE COULD JUST MARK THIS AS JEFF NUMBER TWO. SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION OR. DATA OR SOMETHING. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO ACCEPT WHAT WHAT'S BEEN ACCEPTED HERE. 
          AND I'M GOING TO DO A WHOLE NEW VERSION. SO BECAUSE NOW THAT YOU HAVE SEEN THIS, THERE'LL BE A WHOLE NEW VERSION AND IT WILL ONLY BE MARKED TO SHOW CHANGES FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAW. 
          NO, I'D RATHER YOU MAKE CHANGES TO THE ORIGINAL. 
          YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. 
          WELL. YOU WANT CHANGES WITHIN THE CHANGES. YOU WANT TO ACCEPT SOME OF THE ACCEPT WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY ACCEPTED? NO. IN OTHER WORDS. 
          WE CAN'T ACCEPT THEM BECAUSE THEN IT WON'T SHOW UP BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A COMPARISON TO THE THE EXISTING TEXT IS TO WHAT'S PROPOSED. SO WHEN YOU HAVE CHANGES BETWEEN PROPOSED VERSION NUMBER ONE AND PROPOSED VERSION NUMBER TWO, IT STILL HAS TO BE COMPARISON AGAINST THE EXISTING LANGUAGE. 
          WELL. I CAN DO BOTH. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE BOTH. SO I CAN GIVE YOU ONE. FOR CLARITY. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. FROM TODAY. AND THEN CHANGES FROM THE ORIGINAL. AND AT LEAST THAT WAY THE CHANGES FROM TODAY. HOPEFULLY YOU WON'T HAVE SOME OF THE UGLY FORMATTING THINGS THAT LOOK WEIRD ONLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT A WHOLE NEW BLACK LINE FROM MARCH. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, WE'RE WILLING TO TAKE YOUR GENEROSITY. 
          NOT A PROBLEM. BUT THE ONE I'M GOING TO LOOK AT. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT, WOULD BE THE CHANGES, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC IS REALLY NOT GOING TO CARE. 
          WHAT'S THE CHANGE TO THE CHANGE? RIGHT. THEY'RE GOING TO CARE WHAT IS ACTUALLY CHANGED, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE THE CHANGE IN THE CODE. SO IF YOU TAKE THE ORIGINAL ETHICS CODE LIKE YOU DID HERE, AND THEN DO WHATEVER YOU THINK WE TALKED ABOUT HERE TODAY AND DO THAT AS A RED LINE AND UNDERLINE. YEP. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE HAVE. BENEFITED VERY MUCH. 
          FROM THE ITEMS ON THE. BACK AND FORTH THERE. YEAH. 577 THANK YOU. YEAH. TROY. FIVE SIX GOOD. 
          THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. OH I SEE. 
          NO, WHAT. I'VE DONE.. 
          THERE'S ANOTHER. 16. 
          SO 16 ETERNAL PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A ON FIVE 7017. WE HAD A QUESTION COME UP EARLIER THIS YEAR ON ON UH CYLINDERS BEING HIRED WHEN THEIR PARENT IS A SUPERVISOR WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. YEAH. AND UH, WE WHAT THIS PERSON DID WAS HAVE ANOTHER PERSON, THE DEPARTMENT UNDER THEIR AUTHORITY SUPERVISE THIS FAMILY MEMBER, WHICH WAS UNDER THE CURRENT CODE. OKAY, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN OKAY. WE THOUGHT THAT ANYONE IN, UH, ANYONE WHO'S BEEN COMING AS A FAMILY MEMBER IN A DEPARTMENT SHOULDN'T BE UNDER THE DIRECT OR INDIRECT SUPERVISION OF THEIR PARENT. SO WE JUST ADDED THAT IN FOR THE FUTURE. 
          OH, PLEASE. SORRY. 
          WAS THAT. THE NEPOTISM 1 IN 17? YES. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE THERE WAS ALSO 16 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO. 
          YEAH. WHAT'S SO YOU'RE SAYING. 
          THAT'S A SMALL ONE. ARE YOU SAYING IT SAYS A CURRENT OR PROSPECTIVE OFFICER? UH, PUBLIC OFFICER EMPLOYEE OR AGENCY MAY MAY REQUEST AN ADVANCE, A WAIVER FROM ONE OR MORE PROVISIONS OF THIS CHAPTER. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. WHERE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU. SKIPPED AHEAD. 
          AND SKIPPED ON TO THE NEXT.. OKAY. 
          THIS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE BOARD OF ETHICS IN THE PAST, WHERE SOMEONE WHO IS COMING INTO THE TOWN AS AN EMPLOYEE REQUESTED WAIVER. OKAY, OKAY. SO ALL THIS IS JUST ALLOWS THAT PERSON TO DO IT. JUST NEPOTISM. 
          OKAY. IS THE NEPOTISM. 
          THE NEXT ONE IS THE NEPOTISM. SO WHAT'S GOING TO BE OPERATIVE IN, UH, 517, 172 IS GOING TO BE WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF INDIRECTLY? IF THE. 
          PERSON SUPERVISING. IS FAMILY FUNCTIONS AND. 
          IS NOT UNDER THE DIRECT SUPERVISION OF THE THE PRESIDENT. IT DOESN'T SAY THIS DOESN'T SAY DIRECTLY, BUT IT SAYS MAY. NO. UM, OFFICER EMPLOYEE MAY DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY SUPERVISE A RELATIVE. SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY INDIRECTLY. YOU ADD A LAYER IN BETWEEN. YOU COULD ARGUE THEY'RE NOT BEING SUPERVISED ANYMORE. SO. 
          SO YOU DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY BODY THAT'S RELATED TO SOMEBODY HIGHER UP THE CHANGE IN A DEPARTMENT? BASICALLY, YEAH. WITHIN THE SAME PERSON HAS SUPERVISORY. 
          IF, IF, LET'S SAY, MOM AND DAUGHTER. OKAY. RIGHT. YOU HIRED DAUGHTER IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT THAT MOM IS THE SUPERVISOR. NOW SHE CAN SAY, WELL, I'M NOT SUPERVISING HER 
          [02:25:03]
BECAUSE IT'S MRS. X IS SUPERVISING HER. WHAT IF I SUPERVISE? MRS.. IF MOM SUPERVISOR IS MRS. X, THAT'S INDIRECT SUPERVISION. RIGHT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE. OH WELL, FOR EXAMPLE IN DPW IT'S A VERY LARGE DEPARTMENT. THERE ARE MANY LAYERS GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FOREMAN. AND THEN THE ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING THE DRIVING THE TRUCKS. 
          AND WHAT THIS SEEMS TO SAY IS THAT, UH, EVEN EVEN IN A DEPARTMENT OF 160 PEOPLE AND THERE'S MANY LAYERS OF HIERARCHY, NOBODY RELATED TO ANYBODY ABOVE CAN WORK. THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER IS THE SAME THING. YOU KNOW, IT'S A COMMUNITY CENTER. SO IT HIRES PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY AND MAY HIRE MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN A FAMILY. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS, BUT I ALSO THINK WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT INDIRECTLY MEANS. 
          WHAT WE CAN UNDO IT. I MEAN, I THINK WE HAD A SITUATION TO EVALUATE IT, AND THAT WAS SORT OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH. SO THEN WE CAN SIMPLY NOT PUT THIS IN AND HAVE IT BE A CASE BY CASE. IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO RAISE IT AS AN ISSUE, THEN WE EVALUATE IT. YEAH, I THINK THAT WAS GOOD. 
          I MEAN, I DO AGREE REGARDING THE DIRECT SUPERVISOR SUPERVISION, SO. OH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT THAT I AGREE ON. YES, THAT I WOULD AGREE ON. BUT THE INDIRECT JUST AS EXPLAIN AND REMEMBER, WE ARE A COMMUNITY EMPLOYER. SO WE SHOULD ALSO THINK ABOUT. THAT AS WELL. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO EMPLOY ANYBODY. NO NO NO. 
          NO NO. ALMOST DID. 
          YEAH OKAY. BUT SO YOU DO WANT DIRECTLY LEFT IN THERE. 
          ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. SO THAT'S YES OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE DONE. UH. 
          YES I THINK WE ARE DONE NOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD, TOWN ASSISTANT DEPUTY ATTORNEY, MR. BELTRAN, EVERYONE FOR. 
          THIS WAS. VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. 
          LIMITED NUMBER OF ETHICS BOARD APPOINTEES. 
          IT'S A COMPATIBLE GROUP. I THINK YOU'LL AGREE. AND. 
          YEAH. IT'S FUN. 
          I'M THINKING. I'M THINKING ANYONE THAT'S NOT OF THE PARTY OF THE REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS, I'M SURE THAT NOW YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FIND THAT FIFTH PERSON FOR YOU. 
          OKAY. GOT A SHOW OUT THERE. THE EXCITEMENT. THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WELL, THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE HERE, THERE'LL BE ONE TO JOIN. 
          ON. THERE, IF YOU'LL HELP ME. THAT WILL. WE'D LOVE IT. FIND THAT THAT ONE PERSON AFFILIATED VOTER. THERE ARE MANY OF THEM. IN FACT, IN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, THERE ARE MORE NON-AFFILIATED VOTERS THAN THERE ARE ENROLLED MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. 
          WELL, THAT WAS KIND OF MY POINT. 
          SO THE. ONLY THE ONLY UNAFFILIATED MEMBER WE HAD OF THE BOARD OF ETHICS WAS BLAISE SPINOZA, WHO ACTUALLY CHANGED PARTIES TO UNAFFILIATED. YEAH, RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          WE HAVE THANK YOU AGAIN. YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. LET'S SEE. THIS WAS REALLY GOOD. THIS WAS ONE OF THE BEST. YEAH. YEAH. THIS WAS REALLY. OH I KNOW OKAY. YEAH. PAUL, DO YOU WANT TO WANT TO. 
          I WANT TO MOVE US ON. THIS IS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION OR REGULAR. IT SAYS. THE SESSION. 
          OKAY. A MOTION FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING PERSONNEL MATTERS INVOLVING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS, UM, AND TO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE ON VARIOUS MATTERS. 
          SECOND. IN FAVOR. 
          I.
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