[   			TOWN OF GREENBURGH 			PLANNING BOARD AGENDA 			WEDNESDAY, October 21, 2026 – 7:00 P.M. 			Meetings of the Planning Board will be adjourned at 10:00 p.m. 			                  ]
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          ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING. IT IS, UH, 7:04 P.M.. UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, CAN YOU CONDUCT THE ROLL? SURE. CHAIRPERSON. PINE. HERE. 
          MR. WEINBERG. HERE. MR. PULLINGER. HERE. OUR FIRST ALTERNATE, MISS ROBINSON. HERE. OUR SECOND ALTERNATE, MR. PATEL. HERE. NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT MISS ANDERSON IS NOT PRESENT THIS EVENING. SO BOTH ALTERNATE MEMBERS WILL BE FULL VOTING MEMBERS THIS EVENING. THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, STAFF DISTRIBUTED A DRAFT COPY OF THE MINUTES. DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? YES, YES. WAS THERE ANY, EDITS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? JUST A FEW CORRECTIONS. 
          PLEASE. PAGE NINE. THIRD PARAGRAPH, WHERE IT SHOWS EM .174. IT SHOULD BE M-174. PAGE TEN. UH, FIRST SECTION. DRIVE THRUS SHOULD BE. 
          PAGE TEN. I'M SORRY. PAGE TEN. THE FIRST SECTION. 
          OKAY. DRIVE THRUS SHOULD BE THR U.S.. 
          MHM. AND, UM, LAST PARAGRAPH OF PAGE TEN, OCTOBER 21ST. THERE SHOULD BE A SPACE. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. WERE THERE ANY OTHER, UH, EDITS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES? I HAD SOME. 
          QUESTIONS ONN PAGE THREE. THE SECOND FULL PARAGRAPH. 1234. I THINK FIVE LINES DOWN THE LINE BEGINS WITH RESPONDING. YES. 
          THAT HE WOULD LOOK INTO. YOU KNOW, I GUESS A 25. THE APPLICANT WOULD LOOK INTO A 25, SOMETHING MORE THAN A 25 YEAR STORM? YES. DID HE EVER. DID YOU EVER HEAR FROM HIM? UM, I THINK HE'S GOING TO REPORT ON. HE WAS PREPARED TO REPORT ON THAT THIS EVENING. HOWEVER, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD IS GOING TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO. OKAY. WE MAY NOT GET A FULL PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE THIS EVENING. OKAY, LET ME JUST SEE WHAT ELSE. 
          AND I GUESS THE SAME THING. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THEY UPDATED THAT TREE STUDY. SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I'LL ANSWER QUICKLY IS THAT THEY CONFIRM THAT THE CONSULTANT, TIM MILLER ASSOCIATES, WAS OUT TO THE SITE AND UPDATED THE TREE SURVEY SURVEY IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. 
          OKAY. UM. 
          AND WE HAVE A LETTER OR AN EMAIL TO THAT EFFECT FROM TIM MILLER ASSOCIATES. AND YOU CAN SEE THE DATE. UH. 
          ON PAGE SIX, THE FIRST FULL PARAGRAPH. 12345678. IT'S EIGHT LINES DOWN. IT STARTS TO ALLOW VEHICLE STORAGE. 
          SUIT. I'M SORRY, WHICH PARAGRAPH? OH, ALLOW FOR STORAGE. YES. SO THIS IS IN THE ACCESSOSORY PARKING. THAT'S NOT REALLY AN ACCESSORY USE. IT'S NOT ACCESSORY TO THE PRIME USE THERE. RIGHT. 
          IT WOULD BE AN IT. IT IS DEEMED TO BE WHAT WOULD BE AN ACCESSORY USE TO THE PRIMARY OR. 
          PRINCIPAL, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT USED. THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE REALLY NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT. WELL, SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF AN ACCESSORY. USE. UM, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT A SHOPPING CENTER WITH MULTIPLE USES AND THEN WE CLASSIFY, UM, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS AS AN ACCESSORY USE. NOW, THEORETICALLY, SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO THE SHOPPING CENTER COULD USE IT, BUT SOMEONE NOT GOING TO THE SHOPPING CENTER TO SHOP COULD ALSO USE IT. SO IT'S DEEMED AN ACCESSORY USE BY THE BUILDING INSPECTORS. 
          THIS JUST STRIKES ME AS, YOU KNOW, VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WAS LITERALLY SEGREGATING IT FROM, YOU KNOW, THE REST OF THE BUILDING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF SECURITY PASS TO GET INTO THAT ACCESSORY PARKING THAT ONLY THE AUTO DEALER AND HIS PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE. 
          I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. AND I JUST WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THE CHAPTER 285 AMENDMENTS A LITTLE BIT LATER. OKAY. SO BUT IF YOU HAD A QUESTION ON THE CONTENT OF THE MINUTES, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF WE MISS SOMETHING OR MISCHARACTERIZE SOMETHING, I CAN ANSWER THAT. 
          OKAY. THANKS. SURE. 
          ALL RIGIGHT. UM, I WILL ENTERTA A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 
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MINUTES, AS AMENDED. SO MOVED. 
          MOVED. UH, MR.. MR.. THAT'S SECOND. 
          MISS ROBIN. SECOND, MISS ROBINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          CHAIR. VOTES. I, UM, SEE, THAT'S WHAT I DO WHEN I DON'T MAKE MY NOTES. UM. YOU'RE JUST MARKED TO ME. UM. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE. NO, UH, WE HAVE NO PIECES OF CORRESPONDENCE THIS EVENING. 
          UM, AND SO WE WILL MOVE RIGHT INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE MEETING. UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS EVENING. SO MOVE, MOVE. MR. PITTENGER. SECOND. 
          SECOND, MISS ROBINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. CHAIR. VOTES. I, UM. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING. UH, IT IS OCTOBER 21ST, 2026, AND IT IS 7:10 P.M.. UM, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, COULD I JUST SEE A QUICK SHOW OF HANDS AND SEE IF ANYONE IS HERE TO SPEAK TONIGHT ON, UH, PB 2318, UH, LOOP ROAD HOLDINGS, REGENERON. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE ONE, ONE SPEAKER. UM, AND THEN IS ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK ON CASE NUMBER PB 2424? OKAY. ONE ONE SPEAKER. GREAT. THANK YOU. UM, ALL RIGHT, SO FIRST UP, WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 2318 LOU PEARL HOLDING, REGENERON LOGISTICS BUILDING. UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A,, UH, PLANNING BOARD STEEP SLOPE PERMIT AND A PLANNING BOARD. WETLANDS, WATERCOURSE PERMIT. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS ANNIE KLEIN. I'M AN ASSOCIATE AT DOW, O'DONNELL AND WEINGART AND WISE AND WHITAKER HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF REGENERON PHARMACEUTICALS. WITH ME IS STEVE SPINA FROM JMC AND TED JESSEN FROM REGENERON. UM, WE'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU SEVERAL TIMES. BUT JUST TO REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION, THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO A PREVIOUS APPROVAL FROM 2024 FOR A 37,500 SQUARE FOOT RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT BUILDING. UM, AT 555 SAWMILL RIVER ROAD. UM, WE HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCED THE SIZE OF THAT BUILDING. UM, AND, UH, WE ALSO MADE MODIFICATIONS WHEN WE MET WITH YOU BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD, UM, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR COMMENTS. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE STEVE WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLANS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE RECEIVED, UH, SITE PLAN AND TREE REMOVAL PERMITS FROM THE TOWN BOARD LAST WEDNESDAY. UM, AND ARE NOW BEFORE YOU FOR THE AMENDED STEEP SLOPE AND WETLAND PERMITS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. ANNIE. THIS IS STEVE SPINA FROM JMC, WHERE THE SITE ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT, UH, BACK HERE BEFORE YOU, AS ANDY MENTIONED, WE'VE, UH, HERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TIMELINE THAT WE'VE HAD. SO WE WERE HERE IN JUNE, AND THEN IN AUGUST, WE'VE BEEN WORKING SORT OF BACK AND FORTH FROM SOME OF THE COMMENTS RECEIVED WORKING WITH TOWN STAFF. UH, THERE, OUTSIDE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AS WELL. AND WE RETURNED BACK ON THE 10TH OF SEPTEMBER, UH, WHERE WE RECEIVED A UM, OR SLIGHTLY BEFORE THAT, WHERE WE RECEIVED A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD. WE'VE SINCE GONE TO THE TOWN BOARD. HAD THAT PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED, THE SEEKER PROCESS RECEIVED OUR NEGATIVE DECLARATION FINDING STATEMENT, AND, UM, AMENDED SITE PLAN APPROVAL RESOLUTION. SO, UH, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, HOPEFULLY FOR THE, UM, THE VOTE FOR WETLANDS AND STEEP SLOPES. 
          THIS IS A QUICK SIDE BY SIDE. UH, OOPS, SORRY, I DON'T I SKIPPED. THERE WE GO. A LITTLE LAG SIDE BY SIDE HERE. THE 2024 APPROVED SITE PLAN IS ON THE LEFT. UH, IN RED. AND THEN OUR CURRENT PROPOSED PLAN, UH, IN BLUE ON THE RIGHT. UH, THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR, BUT THERE ARE REDUCTIONS IN DISTURBANCES OF STEEP SLOPES, REDUCTIONS IN THE AMOUNT OF TREES. WE'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE, REDUCTIONS IN OVERALL SITE DISTURBANCE, REDUCTIONS IN IMPERVIOUS AREA, UM, PARKING, ETC.. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF REDUCTIONS SINCE THE ORIGINAL APPROVED DRAWING ON THE LEFT THERE. UH, THIS ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THIS IS OUR CURRENT LAYOUT THAT WE WORKED BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS BOARD ON, UH, OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. UH, IF YOU MAY RECALL, IT WAS, UH, THE DRIVEWAY MODIFICATIONS WE MADE HERE AND, UM, DISCUSSING SOME OF THE PARKING, UH, AT THE SOUTH END WHERE WE'RE NO LONGER KEEPING THAT, UH, THAT SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE LOT THERE, UH, PERMANENTLY. THIS IS JUST A QUICK RUNDOWN OF ALL THE REDUCTIONS I JUST MENTIONED. 
          UH, THE BUILDING AS WELL I IS A SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN THE 
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ORIGINAL APPROVED BUILDING. UH, ALSO QUITE A BIT OF A REDUCTION IN HEIGHT FROM FOUR FLOORS TO ONE FLOOR. UM, AS I MENTIONED, EARTHWORK LIMITED DISTURBANCE, IMPERVIOUS AREA, STEEP SLOPES. 
          UM, QUITE A BIT SCALED BACK FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2024. 
          THIS SLIDE MAY LOOK FAMILIAR TO YOU GUYS. WHEN WE LAST MET, WE WE WENT OVER THIS SLIDE, BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC HERE, UH, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE ARE, UH, THERE'S COLORED AREAS TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO. I'LL START IN THE MIDDLE. THE PURPLE IS THE BUILDING. UH, AND THE ADJACENT PARKING NEXT TO IT. SO JUST SOUTH OF THE BUILDING HERE, AND THEN ALONG THE EAST SIDE AND NORTH SIDE. SO THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED TO MEET THE BUILDING TO MEET THE PARKING CODE FOR THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. THEN THIS SMALL RED AREA TO THE SOUTH IS ANOTHER SIX SPACES THAT THAT PLUS THE PURPLE ARE THE 54 SPACES THAT WE ACTUALLY NEED TO COMPLY WITH. ZONING FOR THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING. THE LIGHT GREEN JUST BELOW THAT RED. OURR S IS AN EXISTING PARKING AREA THAT WE'D LIKE TO KEEP AND HAVE THAT REMAIN PERMANENTLY FOR FLEET VEHICLES, OVERFLOW PARKING, MAYBE SOME SNOW STORAGE. IT'S ANOTHER 26 PARKING SPACES HEADING FARTHER SOUTH. UH, SHOWN IN YELLOW IS THE REMAINDER OF THE SOUTHERN EXISTING PARKING LOT. IT'S A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT BUILT TO SUPPORT CONTRACTOR PARKING FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CAMPUS PROJECTS. WE WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSING TO KEEP THAT PERMANENTLY BEFORE THIS BOARD EARLIER IN THE SUMMEMER. UM, SINCE THEN, WE'VE WORKED BACK AND FORTH, AND WE'RE ONLY PROPOSING TO KEEP IT THROUGH THE END OF THOSE CAMPUS PROJECTS, WHICH SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN 2032. AND THEN THAT PARKING LOT AND YELLOW, WILL GET REGRADED TO A MORE NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY. TREES, PLANTED, SHRUBS, GRASSES WILL COORDINATE WITH TOWN STAFF ON ON THE FINAL DETAILS OF THE LANDSCAPING PLAN. BUT WE HAVE AN APPROVED RESTORATION PLAN THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL SITE. PLANS FOR THAT TEMPORARY PARKING LOT THAT WE WOULD BE IMPLEMENTING. THE NORTHERN PART IS A ANOTHER TEMPORARY PARKING LOT IN THE DARKER GREEN THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF. UM, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO, ROUTE A DRIVEWAY FROM THE PROPOSED BUILDING DOWN TO THE CAMPUS THROUGH THAT PARKING LOT. SO THIS IS THIS IS THE ALIGNMENT THAT WE WORKED BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS BOARD AND THE TOWN TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND TOWN STAFF, UH, TO CREATE A MORE STREAMLINED, UH, OR AS MUCH AS MUCH OF A STREAMLINED DRIVEWAY AS WE COULD WHILE AVOIDING REMOVAL OF LARGE RETAINING WALLS AND, AND ADDITIONAL SLOPES AND DISTURBANCES THAT WE FELT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE EASILY AVOIDED WITH THIS SOLUTION. AND LASTLY, ON THE UPPER LEFT IS SOME EXISTING PARKING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP PERMANENTLY. 
          THERE'S ABOUT 40 PARKING SPACES HERE. THEY'RE REALLY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE REST OF THE CAMPUS AND THE CONSTRUCTED BUILDINGS THAT ARE, UH, HIGH DEMAND PARKING SPACES THAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KEEP. SO THAT'S A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE WORKED THROUGH WITH THIS BOARD. UM, AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARKING AND THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE HAVE. THIS JUST ILLUSTRATES THAT ROUTE IN THE DARK RED LINE THAT WE WORKED BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS BOARD ON THE THE LIGHT GREEN ARE IS EXIST. THE LIGHT GREEN IS EXISTING PARKING AREAS THAT WE ARE GOING TO RESTORE TO LANDSCAPING. UM, TREES, SHRUBS, YOU KNOW, REGRADING IT FOR NATURAL TOPOGRAPHY. UH, IT SHOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF SCREENING TO FROM THE ROUNDABOUT HERE. UM, INSTEAD OF THE PARKING LOT, YOU'D COME DOWN AND SEE A LOT OF LANDSCAPING. SO WE THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION. THE BOARD HERE AGREED, AND W WE WEN ON TO PROCEED TO THE TOWN BOARD. UM, WE DID HERE ON THIS LOWER RIGHT CORNER, UH, RED BOX. WE ADDED, UM, A SECURITY GATE BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT POTENTIALLY PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH FROM THE MAIN DRIVEWAY HERE, UH, DOWN TO THE CAMPUS. SO, UH, ONLY ONLY AUTHORIZED VEHICLES WOULD BE ABLE TO GET PAST THAT POINT, UM, AND DRIVE DOWN THIS DRIVEWAY HERE. SO THOSE ARE THE KEY CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THIS PARKING LOT. UH, WE CALL LOT 14, THIS TEMPORARY PARKING LOT ON THE NORTH PORTION OF THTHIS PROJECT. THIS WAS AN ILLUSTRATION THAT WAS MADE, UH, A PHOTO TAKEN FROM THE EXISTING, RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED PARKING STRUCTURE THAT WAS PART OF THE PARCEL DEPOT MPD PROJECT A FEW YEARS AGO. JUST, UH, LOOKING EAST HERE, UH, SORT OF SOUTHEAST, I GUESS. AND THE RED LINE IS JUST SHOWING WHAT WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT ON PLAN VIEW. THIS IS NOW JUST THE KIND OF AN ISOMETRIC VIEW OF THAT ROUTE. SORRY TO INTERRUPT. SO THE THE SLIDE ISN'T CHANGING OVER IT. IT CHANGED OVER. IT LAGGED A 
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LITTLE BIT LAST TIME. BUT NOW I'M NOT SAYING THAT. 
          WE HAVE TO GIVE IT A MINUTE. I GUESS WHILE WE'RE FIGURING THAT OUT, I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. 
          UM. YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, THE. THE EASEMENT AND. PLANTINGS IN THE EASEMENT. AND I KNOW AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WE HAD DISCUSSED INVESTIGATING IF YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TO PLANT SHRUBS WITHIN THE EASEMENT. I KNOW THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT LARGER, MORE PERERMANENT TREES, BUT, UM, IT SEEMED LIKE SHRUBS WAS WAS A VIABLE OPTION. WHERE WHERE DID WE LAND ON THAT? UH, SO WE ARE PROPOSING SHRUBS IN LARGE SHRUBS AND SMALL SHRUBS AND GRASSES IN A PORTION OF THOSE EASEMENTS. UM, BASICALLY, WHAT IS IN WHAT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THE PARKING WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP PERMANENTLY THAT SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE LOT THAT WILL BE REMOVED IN A FEW YEARS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PROPOSED IN FRONT OF THAT. THERE IS SOME GREEN BUFFER THAT WAS THERE. IT WAS CUT DOWN. IT WILL GROW BACK. BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING IT THERE. SO WE DID MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. UH, I BELIEVE WE WE WENT THROUGH THAT LAST TIME WHERE THIS BOARD, WE WORKED TOGETHER ON THAT AND THAT WAS SUBMITTED. THAT IS SHOWN. I DO HAVE A SLIDE. OKAY. OKAY. IT'S UP NOW. SO THIS WAS THAT PHOTO HERE WHERE, UH, IT SHOWS THAT SAME RED ROUTE. BUT IN THIS PHOTO TAKEN FROM THAT PARKING GARAGE. UM, THIS IS REALLY MEANT TO SHOW THE SCALE OF THAT PARKING LOT AND THOSE RETAINING WALLS AND THE STAIRS HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE, UM, THAT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP. AND WE'RE PROPOSING THAT, T THA THIS SORT OF FRONT AREA REMAINS. NOW, THIS PIECE HERE, IF YOU COULD SEE MY CURSOR WHERE THE, THE RED LINE GOES LEFT TO RIGHT. UM, WE'RE REMOVING SOME OF THAT PARKING AREA. IT'S GOING TO BE TWO LARGE AREAS OF LAWN THAT WOULD SORT OF CARVE A DRIVEWAY THROUGH THAT SECTION. UM, AND THEN THE UPPER PORTION HERE, UH, OF THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE SECOND RETAINING WALL THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY REMOVED, AND YOU WOULD JUST HAVE THE DRIVEWAY CUTTING THROUGH THERE LIKE WE SAW IN THE ON THE PLAN VIEW. UM, AND THEN JUST THIS JUST ILLUSTRATES THE SCALE OF THE BUILDING HERE IN THE BACK OF THE, OF THE IMAGE HERE, THE REAR OF THE IMAGE. UM, SO, UH, THIS KIND OF GIVES YOU A GOOD, A GOOD IMAGE OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, UH, LOOKING FROM THAT PARKING GARAGE THERE. OKAY. 
          WHEN THIS LOADS UP, THIS NEXT SLIDE IS ILLUSTRATING THOSE LANDSCAPING CHANGES THAT WE WORKED WITH. UM, WE HAVE THE EASEMENT. THERE'S TWO EASEMENTS ALONG THE FRONT DITCH ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. THERE'S A TOWN WATER MAIN, AND THEN THERE'S A FIBER OPTIC EASEMENT. SO THAT WE'VE DONE TEST PITS THERE. THE UTILITIES ARE NOT VERY DEEP. THE WATER MAIN WAS ABOUT 3.5FT DEEP, AND THE FIBER OPTICS, UH, CONDUITS WERE LESS SO. IT'S NOT ADVISABLE TO PLANT TREES IN THERE BECAUSE OF ROOT WALLS. AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING CLOSE TO THOSE LINES IS NOT NOT REALLY A SMART MOVE. SO WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, WHEN IT LOADS, UH, IN FRONT OF THE PARKING AREA, THAT'S TO REMAIN IN A, IN AND UH, PERMANENT PARKING LOT. WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, A PRETTY DENSE MASSING OF SHRUBS. OH, THERE YOU GO. UM, IN THIS STRIP HERE, UH, THERE'S THE FENCE HERE. THAT BASICALLY THE FENCE IS JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE BLUE BETWEEN THE BLUE AND THE YELLOW. SO THERE'S THAT EXISTING FENCE, AND THERE'S ALREADY SOME VEGETATION ALONG THE FRONTAGE HERE. UM, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP, UH, EXISTING TREES. AND THEN THE PROPOSED VEGETATION, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING THAT WAS ADDED OR ALL THESE SHRUBS IN THIS AREA. 
          HERE, THAT'S ON THE INSIDE OF THE FENCE. SO THEY'RE CORRECT. 
          THEY'RE ABLE TO BE MAINTAINED, YOU KNOW, MORE EASILY BEING INSIDE. THE CAMPUS RIGHT THERE. THEY'RE ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE OF THE FENCE. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE REGENERON DOES WITH ALL THEIR OTHER LANDSCAPING, THEY'LL KEEP IT MAINTAINED. AND I THINK THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CAMPUS OF KEEPING THINGS LOOKING PRETTY NICE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER WE CAN, WE HAVE TREES PROPOSED, WHEREVER THERE'S LARGER SPACE. THAT'S NOT AN EASEMENT. WE'VE GOT TREES. AND THEN AS YOU MOVE NORTH, UM, BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE ROADWAY, WE DO HAVE SOME TREES THERE AS WELL. SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING WHERE WE CAN BECAUSE OF THOSE EASEMENTS. UM, SO THAT THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE LANDSCAPING. UM, AND THEN ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT WAS RECEIVED WHEN THIS LOADS WAS, UH, SOME PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY, UH, FROM THIS BUILDING AREA DOWN TO THE REST OF THE CAMPUS. UM, WE'VE SAID THAT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE REALLY ANYONE WALKING DOWN THAT ROADWAY. UM, BUT JUST IN CASE THEY DO, WE'RE KEEPING A PORTION OF THE EXISTING SIDEWALK T THAT LEADS THERE. WH 
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THIS LOADS UP, WE'LL SEE IT. AND THEN WE'RE PROPOSING SOME CROSSWALKS AND THEN A MULCH TRAIL THAT SORT OF MEANDERS THROUGH SOME LANDSCAPED AREAS THAT WILL GET YOU FROM THE LOWER PORTION OF THE CAMPUS. IF YOU WERE TO WALK UP TO THE BUILDING AREA. SO WE THINK THAT THAT WAS AN ADDITION WE MADE BASED ON, UH, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE WERE THAT WERE HEARD FROM THIS BOARD. HERE WE GO. SO, UH, WHAT WE DID HERE WAS, UM, UH, STARTING FROM THIS SIDEWALK AT THE AT THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF THE BUILDING HERE. UH, WE ADDED A CROSSWALK, AND THEN WE HAVE A MULCH TRAIL WORKING THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING HERE, COMING OUT TO A CROSSWALK, AND THEN A SMALL PIECE OF NEW SIDEWALK TO CONNECT TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT WE'RE NOW GOING TO KEEP AND RUN IT ALL THE WAY TO THESE STAIRS. SO IT'S A IT'S A FULL CONNECTION NOW WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT BEFORE. UM, SO THAT WAS ANOTHER, UH, I THINK A SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE CHANGE THAT WE MADE. UH, THROUGH COORDINATION WITH THIS BOARD. AND, AND THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION. SO IN SUMMARY, WE'RE WE'RE HOPING TO, UH, UH, HOPEFULLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND RECEIVE A, A VOTE TOWARDS STEEP SLOPES AND WETLAND PERMITS. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT. 
          YES. JUST ONE COMMENT. UM, AND THEN ONE POINT, I JUST HAPPENED TO SEE, AND I DON'T KNOW, UM, IF IT WAS JUST UPDATED OFF AN OLD PLAN, BUT, UH, ON THE LAST PLAN YOU HAD UP WITH THE THE CROSSWALKS AND THE AND THE TRAIL, UH, THE MULCH TRAIL CONNECTING TO THE EXISTING SIDEWALK. UM, I HAPPEN TO SEE A CALL OUT FOR PS, FOR, WHICH IS A PLANTING, UH, IN EASTERN WHITE PINE OR PINE. ANTROBUS. UM, I BELIEVE I HAD SOME COMMENTS ON THE LANDSCAPING, MAYBE GOING BACK A MONTH OR TWO. UM, WE TYPICALLY REDUCE DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF WHITE PINE BECAUSE THEY KIND OF LOSE SHAPE AND DON'T PERFORM LIKE THEY'RE FINE IN THE WOODS. BUT AS A LANDSCAPE SORT OF FEATURE TREE, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NATIVE, I THINK I GAVE SOME FEEDBACK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PICKED UP. I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS IT WITH YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN LOOK BACK AT MY NOTES AND COORDINATE, MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT. AND THEN THE THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE WAS IF THE BOARD CLOSES THE HEARING TONIGHT, THAT TYPICALLY THEY LEAVE THE RECORD OPEN FOR ONE WEEK AND THEN VOTE ON A DECISION AT THEIR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE NOVEMBER 4TH. SO THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO COORDINATE AND DISCUSS ON THE LANDSCAPING. BUT IT'S ALSO CUSTOMARY, YOU KNOW, PRACTICE FOR THE BOARD TO CLOSE AND THEN VOTE AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SORRY, I JUMPED THE GUN THERE. THAT'S OKAY. HEY, YOU CAN ASK. 
          I DO RECALL YOUR COMMENTS AND I THOUGHT I REPLIED, BUT IT MIGHT HAVE JUST BEEN IN AN EMAIL. OKAY, UM, BUT YEAH, WHATEVER. 
          ANY CHANGES YOU WANT TO MAKE TO THE SPECIES? UM, I'M SURE WE'LL ACCOMMODATE THAT. FANTASTIC. WE'LL WORK. 
          WITH YOU. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO. 
          I HAVE ONE QUESTION. MR. WEINBERG. 
          THAT, UH, PARKING LOT, THE EXTRA ONE, UH, THAT YOU SAID COULD ALSO BE USED FOR SNOW, UH, STORAGE? YES. IS THE ROADWAY THERE? I MEAN, I ASSUME YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DOING SNOW STORAGE THERE. 
          USED THEIR BIG DUMP TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, NOT NOT SMALL TRUCKS. 
          RIGHT THERE IS THE ROADWAY THERE SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE LIKE A LARGE DUMP TRUCK WITH FILLED UP WITH SNOW? IS IT WIDE ENOUGH? IS IT? YES. IT WOULD BE THE SAME. SAME TOWN STANDARD WITH, UH, DRIVE AISLE WITH AS YOU WOULD HAVE IN ALL THE PARKING LOTS IN THE TOWN. UM, IT'S AN EXISTING LOT. THEY PLOW IT NOW, AND THEY'VE BEEN DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, THEY'LL HIT A CURB LIKE NORMAL, AND THEY HAVE TO REPAIR I IT. BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S ADEQUATE. I PUT THAT IMAGE BACK UP JUST IN CASE. UM, THANKS. GREAT. THANK YOU. I KNOW IT'S A AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WE HAD DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, HOW WHEN, UM, AT LEAST WHEN I CONDUCTED A SITE VISIT, WE OBSERVED A NUMBER OF VEHICLES PARKING IN THE SHOULDER. UM, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT THE PLANS INCLUDE, UM, SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, INDICATING THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY PARKING IN THE FIRE LANE OR IN THE SHOULDER OF THE OF THE ROADS. OKAY, SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THAT IS WE SPOKE WITH GARRETT ABOUT IT, AND WE WANT TO REVIEW IT WITH HIM OR AARON OR WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT IN THE FIELD. AFTER THE ROADWAY IS CONSTRUCTED. AND THEN WE CAN PLACE SIGNS WHERE WE FEEL ARE APPROPRIATE. WE WERE THINKING MAYBE WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE OF THIS DIDN'T LOAD YET. UM, THERE'S IT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING REALLY IS MORE LIKE A, A DEDICATED DRIVEWAY WHERE I WOULD THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE LESS INCLINED TO PARK BECAUSE IT'S, THERE'S NO PARKING IN THIS ROUTE. AS YOU COME DOWN, YOU'RE, IT'S IT'S 
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PRETTY ISOLATED. IT'S JUST A 24, 24 FOOT WIDE ROAD. UM, WE DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD PARK THERE. I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WOULD PARK WHERE THEY'RE PARKING NOW. BECAUSE IT IS A PARKING LOT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE HOW THAT HAPPENS. SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN JUST PARK ON THE END ISLANDS AND MAKE THIS THE ISLES SMALLER. THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING THAT. WE THINK THEY'LL HAVE LESS. THIS WILL BE LESS ENCOURAGING. BUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH GARRETT WAS MAYBE DOWN HERE WHERE IT WIDENS AND YOU HAVE THESE TRIANGULAR,R, UH, SLIVERS OF GRASS. UM, MAYBE SOMEBODY MIGHT FEEL THEY CAN PULL ONTO THE GRASS AND PARK THERE. SO WHAT WE WERE THINKING WAS MAYBE WE'LL PUT SOME NO PARKING SIGNS IN THOSE AREAS. BUT THE THOUGHT WAS, LET'S LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE LEFT OFF WITH GARRETT. 
          UM, I THINK WE DID A LITTLE SKETCH FOR HIM IN AN EMAIL, AND THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE WANTED TO HANDLE THAT. 
          OKAY. SO THEN I GUESS FROM A CONDITIONING PERSPECTIVE, COULD WE JUST CONDITION LIKE REVIEWING SIGNAGE WITH CD AND SEE. PRIOR TO PERMITS BEING CLOSED OUT OR. 
          SURE, I MEAN, IT'S REALLY A SITE PLAN ELEMENT, RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE.. THESE ARE STEEP SLIGHTLY. 
          SO IT'S MORE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD, WHICH. 
          KIND OF DID WAS INCLUDED IN THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE TOWN BOARD. AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, ULTIMATELY LED TO THE DISCUSSION. AND SPEAKING WITH THE COMMISSIONER. OKAY. 
          SO I GUESS AS LONG AS THERE'S UNDERSTANDING, THEN THAT'S FINE. GARRETT PUT A CONDITION IN THE TOWN BOARD RESOLUTION TO THAT EFFECT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO WORK WITH STAFF ON SIGNAGE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WE CAN'T REALLY TIE IT TO THE. YEAH. NO. UNDERSTOOD. UM, ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OTHERWISE WE'LL WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC. NO QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? OKAY. YEAH. IS THERE ANYONE ON ZOOM? DOESN'T APPEAR SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY FINAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THERE ARE NONE. 
          THEN I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND LEAVE THE WRITTEN RECORD OPEN THROUGH OCTOBER 28TH. SO MOVE. 
          MOVE. MR. PULLINGER. SECOND. SECOND. MISS ROBINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          CHAIR. VOTES. I THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          HAVE A GOOD NIGHT TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT UP WE HAVE CASE NUMBER PB 2424. SAGE. UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT AND A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. UM, DO YOU WANT TO. KNOW IF YOU WANT TO. 
          BEFORE, UH, BEFORE WE BEGIN THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR BEFORE WE BEGIN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I DID JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE RECORD, UH, THAT WE WILL BE ADJOURNING THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT MEETING. UM, THERE WAS, UM, A NEED TO RE NOTICE THIS PUBLIC HEARING. SO THOSE WHO ARE THERE, THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY, UH, ARE ALREADY HERE THIS EVENING. WE CERTAINLY WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU, BUT ANYONE IN THE VIEWING PUBLIC WHO LEARNED OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING ON SHORT NOTICE, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT AT OUR NEXT MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH. YES. AND THE APPLICANT IS SENDING NOTIFICATION BY MAIL TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          RIGHT. SO YOU MAY RECEIVE ANOTHER NOTICE INDICATING THAT THIS BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD, WILL BE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 4TH. WE'RE ALSO REQUIRING THAT THEY UPDATE THE SIGN THAT THEY POST IN THE YARD TO INDICATE NOVEMBER 4TH. BUT BEING THAT NOTICES WENT OUT, THE BOARD WANTED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. IF FOLKS GOT THE NOTICE AND WANTED TO COME OUT AND SPEAK THIS EVENING TO GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE MAYBE YOU CANNOT MAKE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO, UM, WITH THAT SAID, YEP. WITH THAT SAID, UM, IS IS THE APPLICANT ON ZOOM? SO I WAS GOING TO GIVE WE DO HAVE UH, MR. CASSIA PULLEY ON ZOOM, JUST TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF WALKTHROUGH OF THE PROJECT, PLEASE, UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WATCHING AND THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. AND THEN, UH, WE CAN OPEN IT UP. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, MR. CATCHPOLE. GOOD. UH, GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. 
          UH. GREG, CATCH IS FULLY ENGINEER ON THE PROJECT HERE AT 460 RIDGE ROAD. UH, WHICH IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF, UH, IN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, A NEW DRIVEWAY, PROPOSED POOL FOR HIM THROUGH PATIO, UH, AS WELL AS THE NEW, UH, AN UPDATED SEPTIC SYSTEM. UM, WE WILL ALSO BE INSTALLING A COMPLETE ON SITE, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM TO 
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CAPTURE ALL IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. UH, WILL BE MITIGATING SOME EXISTING, UH, WETLANDS THAT ARE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED ON SITE. UH, TO BE A NEW PLANTINGS, UH, AND A MITIGATION PLAN THAT THAT SPECS OUT THOSE PLANTINGS THAT WAS DONE BY TIM MILLER ASSOCIATES. UH, WE'RE ALSO PIPING WHAT SEEMS TO BE AN INTERMITTENT WATERCOURSE. UH, AND DIRECTING IT TOWARD A CATCH BASIN ON THE STREET AND RIDGE ROAD. UH, I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DID RECEIVE SOME COMMENTS FROM THE THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH, UH, I'LL CERTAINLY ADDRESS IN DETAIL PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING. AND, UH, LAST TIME WE WERE BEFORE YOU, THERE WAS SOME, UH, SOME QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO, UH, ADDITIONAL TREE PROTECTIONS, WHICH WE ADDED, UH, THE STORMWATER SYSTEM CAN HANDLE A 50 YEAR STORM. AND, UH, WE DID A MORE IN-DEPTH HYDRAULIC, UH, HYDRAULIC ANALYSIS THAT I UPDATED ON THE PLANS THAT YOU GUYS WILL SEE, UH, AT THE NEXT SUBMISSION. AND, UH, THAT'S MY MY VERY BRIEF INTRODUCTION TO THE PROJECT. IF THERE'S ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU'D LIKE ME TO, TO SPEAK ON, I'M HERE FOR IT. 
          GREAT. SO JUST JUST TO CONFIRM THE THE TREE SURVEY THAT WE RECEIVED AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          UH. THAT'S THE SURVEY THAT WAS UPDATED AS OF AUGUST 24TH OF THIS YEAR. SO THERE WAS NO NEED TO DISTRIBUTE A NEW TREE SURVEY. 
          RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE WE PROVIDED A MEMO FROM TIM MILLER. SO. 
          YEAH, WE HAVE THE MEMO. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT. 
          YEAH. AND THEN, MR. ROBINSON, YOU HAD A QUESTION. YEAH. IF YOU CAN CONFIRM THE STORMWATER, UM, I KNOW ORIGINALLY WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING MORE THAN 25. DID YOU GET A NUMBER FOR US? YEAH, IT IS. PERFECT SIZE FOR 50 YEAR STORM. 
          THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? JUST A FOLLOW UP ON THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. GREG, WAS IT THAT THE SYSTEM YOU HAD ALREADY DESIGNED COULD ACCOMMODATE A 50 YEAR STORM, OR DID YOU MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THAT? NO. THEN WE COULD ACTUALLY, UH, WE DID A MORE IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS. WE WE ANALYZED THE PRE-DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF, UH, FROM THE SITE VERSUS POST DEVELOPMENT, UH, WHICH YOU'LL SEE HERE, PRE-DEVELOPMENT RUNOFF WITH THE FLOW PATH VERSUS POST DEVELOPMENT. AND ACTUALLY DECREASED THE S SIZE O THE SYSTEM SLIGHTLY. SO IT'S NOT APPLYING A LITTLE BIT, BUT UH, IT CAN MANAGE A 50 YEAR STORM. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          JUST IN LOOKING AT THOSE DIAGRAMS, IF YOU COULD, FOR OUR BENEFIT, JUST SO THE RED LINE IS THE WATERCOURSE CORRECT? NO. RED LINE HAS BOTH. THE FLOW PATH. OKAY. 
          YEAH. IT'S IT'S A IT'S HOW YOU MEASURE TIME, CONCENTRATION. 
          IT'S A TECHNICAL ANALYSIS. UH, THAT HELPS YOU DETERMINE THE TOTAL RUNOFF OFF THE SITE TO A CERTAIN DESIGN POINT OR DESIGN LINE. PRE-CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS THIS DIAGRAM, WHICH IS ONLY THE SINGLE, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING HOME WITH THAT GARAGE IN THE BACK OF THE DRIVEWAY. VERSUS IS WHAT WOULD BE HAPPENING. COST DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SOME OF IT GOING INTO A STORMWATER SYSTEM AND THEN SOME OF IT, SOME OF IT'S STILL FLOWING OFF SITE AS IT USED TO, AND THEN IT COMPARES THE FLOWS PRE-DEVELOPMENT TO POST DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT INCREASING FLOW OFF OF YOUR SITE. THAT'S A VERY, UH, QUICK AND DRY, UH, DESCRIPTION OF IT. THANK YOU. WHAT WASN'T THE, UH, PRE. 
          UH. DEVELOPMENT WAS IN THAT FLOW ALSO GOING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY. HEAVY RAIN. 
          DID I READ THAT? UH, YEAH. I SAW SOME COMMENTS FROM HIM. HE SAID THAT, UH, I GUESS THERE'S AN EXISTING PIPE THAT GETS TIED INTO HIS BASIN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T KNOW ABOUT UNLESS WE WENT ON HIS PROPERTY AND LOOKED INTO IT. BUT, UH, YEAH, HE SAID THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING PIPE AND THAT HE WAS CONCERNED THAT, UH, THAT IN HEAVY RAINS, MUD MAY WASH OUT TOWARD HIS DRIVEWAY. I THINK I READ AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL SILT FENCE, WHICH I THINK IS IS REASONABLE AND EASY TO ACCOMMODATE. UH, IN REGARDS TO THAT PIPE. MIGHT AS WELL SPEAK ON IT. WE WE PLAN ON ABANDONING IT, UH, FILLING IT WITH. CONCRETE OR, UH, PLUGGING IT SO THAT IT'S NOT ACTIVE ANYMORE. SINCE WE ARE NOW PIPING 
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DIRECTLY TO THE CATCH BASIN THAT THAT THAT WATER WAS ENDING UP THAT ANYWAY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE FROM HIS, UH, FROM HIS COMMENTS, THERE WAS THE PIPE THAT ENTERED HIS CATCH BASIN AND THEN FLOWED TO THAT SAME CATCH BASIN ON THE STREET. 
          RIGHT. UH, WHICH WHICH WAS AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN OF HIS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE GOING TO BE DISCONNECTING HIS PIPE, WHICH WE WOULD NEVER DO. UH, IT WOULD JUST BE AN ADDITIONAL CONNECTION INTO THE BASIN. AND, UH, HE WOULD BE MAINTAINING CONNECTION THROUGHOUT CONSTRUCTION THE ENTIRE TIME. 
          BUT I'LL ALSO PUT THIS IN WRITING AND KIND OF EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL. BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S MY BRIEF RESPONSE. AND THANK YOU, GREG, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, UM, HAVE YOU ALREADY DONE THE ANALYSIS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE EXISTING CATCH BASIN ALONG RIDGE ROAD HAS THE CAPACITY TO HANDLE A DIRECT NEW PIPE FROM, YOU KNOW, YOUR CLIENT SITE, TOGETHER WITH THE PIPE THAT'S FEEDING IT FROM THE N NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY? UH, NO, I HAVEN'T SHOWN THAT ANALYSIS. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOW THAT THE TOTAL FLOW OR, UH, I CAN MAKE A COUPLE OF ASSUMPTIONS FOR THE NEIGHBOR. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S TIED INTO THIS BASIN. 
          MAYBE I COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM TO MODEL IT A LITTLE MORE. EXACTLY. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE OUTFLOW PIPE FROM THAT BASIN CAN HANDLE, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL FLOW THAT'S COMING TO THE BASIN FOR SURE. I THINK THAHAT' A REASONABLE REQUEST. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO, NO. ALL RIGHT THEN, IS THERE ANYONE FROM IN THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. 
          SO I JUST I WOULD JUST KNOW ENGINEERING IS REQUESTED. IN THE PAST, YOU INDICATED SILT FENCING. I THINK ENGINEERS JUST NOTED IF YOU COULD INSTALL WIRE BACKED SILT FENCING FOR, UH, REINFORCEMENT PURPOSES. SURE. YEAH. I'LL. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT MY DETAIL SPECIFIES THAT. 
          CORRECT. THANK YOU. UH, IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE APPROACH. UH, APPROACH THE PODIUM, AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. UM. 
          MY NAME IS HOWIE CHAN. I AM THE, UH, OWNER. MY WIFE AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ABUTTING THE BAZAAR. UH, PROPERTY ON THE SOUTH AND THE WEST SIDE. UM, AND, UH, I WAS THE ONE WHO SUBMITTED THE, UM, COMMENTS. UH, AND, UM. UH, LISTENING TO WHAT WAS, UH, JUST DISCUSSED. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ADDRESSING SOME OF MY CONCERNS. UM, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT, UH, MY PROPERTY ABUTS THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN NOW, WHICH IS THE TOP END OF THE, UH, PROPERTY AND THE WATERCOURSE, THAT RED LINE. 
          THAT WHAT? I WAS JUST LOOKING AT BEFORE, UM, IS I'VE NOTICED IN THE LAST 5 OR 6 YEARS BECAUSE OF, UM, THE RAIN. NEVER IN THE PAST, AS MY BACKYARD FLOODED. BUT NOW, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, UM, I'VE SEEN WATER BUILD UP, LIKE, MAYBE LIKE A FEW INCHES ON IN THE YARD, AND THEN IT SUBSIDES AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL DUE TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE CLIMATE CHANGE. 
          AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW ENGINEERS USE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, 25, 50 YEARS STORM, 100 YEAEAR STORM. UH, UH, STANDARDS. SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO BE ON THE SAFE SIDE, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE THE NEW, UM, RAIN THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. UM, UH, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I'M LOOKING AT THAT SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A, UH, A NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM, WHICH I DIDN'T SEE ON ONLINE, UH, ON ANY OF THE SITE PLANS ONLINE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG CONCERN OF MINE. UM, AND, UH, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UH, DOES THAT STORM RUN OFF? HAVE THE, UM, EMPTY INTO THAT PARTICULAR CATCH BASIN, OR IS IT A OR COULD THE, UH, LINE, UM, INTERSECT THE SEWER ON RIDGE ROAD AND ANOTHER 
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LOCATION? BECAUSE THAT'S JUST THAT THE FOOT OF MY DRIVEWAY AND MY MAILBOX AND EVERYTHING IS THERE. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO EXCAVATE, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF DISRUPTION THERE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN'T DO IT, THEN THEY CAN'T DO IT. BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE FOR THAT. 
          UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE I HAD OTHER COMMENTS. UM, BUT THAT THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED LATER. 
          RIGHT. SO I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THAT WAS WHAT I WAS DISTRIBUTING TO THE BOARD MEMBERS AS YOU WERE APPROACHING THE PODIUM. SO THE MAILBOX IS ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT JUST OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. 
          YEAH, IT'S IT'S WELL, IT'S THE MAILBOX IS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CATCH BASIN THAT THEY'RE CONNECTING INTO. IT WILL BE RIGHT OVER THE PIPE. YEAH. OKAY. AND, UH, YOU KNOW THAT I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE TO DO CONSTRUCTION THEN, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE MAILBOX. BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO MAKE THAT LINE COME. MAYBE PUT MORE PERPENDICULAR TO THE THE PIPE. BUT IF THEY CAN'T DO IT THAT WAY, THEN THAT'S FINE. SO, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT TEAM AS HEE MENTIONED, MR. CASSIA PULLEY HAS RECEIVED THESE COMMENTS. YOU JUST RECEIVED THEM TODAY KNOWING THAT, UM, KNOWING THAT THE BOARD WAS GOING TO HAVE A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF IT THIS EVENING, BUT IS GOING TO BE SUBMITTING A FULL RESPONSE AND EVEN TO YOUR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THIS EVENING, YOU KNOW, UM, RELATED TO HE CAN EVEN SPEAK TO THE SEPTIC IF YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY, BUT ALSO RESPONDING TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TIE IN TO A DIFFERENT CATCH BASIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. UM, YEAH, THESE ARE ON THE RECORD. OKAY. AND THEY ARE PART OF THE OFFICIAL. YEAH, YEAH. AND THERE'S THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS HERE, HERE IN THE DOCUMENT, WHICH I'LL READ OUT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE RECORD. AND IF MR. CATCHPOLE IS IS IN A POSITION TO ANSWER THIS EVENING, I, I'D BE CURIOUS IN THE RESPONSES. OTHERWISE WE'LL LOOK FOR THE RESPONSES AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO QUESTION ONE. UH, WILL THE PIPE FROM THE PROPERTY, UH, INTO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY CATCH BASIN BE REMOVED? IF NOT, HOW WILL EXISTING WATER FLOW BE ADDRESSED? WE'LL DEBRIS FROM BORZAGE PROPERTY ENTER THE CATCH BASIN AND THEN QUESTION TWO THE EXISTING CAST CATCH BASIN IN HIS ROAD, UH, NOW HAS A PIPE FLOWING FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY CATCH BASIN. WILL THIS FLOW BE PRESERVED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND AFTER CONNECTION TO THE PROPOSED EIGHT INCH PIPE FROM THE PROPERTY, OR EIGHT FOOT PIPE FROM THE PROPERTY? UH, SO. 
          THE EXISTING PIPE THAT'S ENTERING THE CATCH BASIN. 
          UH. MR. CHAN'S PROPERTY. 
          BUT THE PLAN WOULD BE TO COMPLETELY ABANDON IT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T WE WOULDN'T NEED IT ANYMORE AS A METHOD OF TRANSPORTING THE WATER TO THAT SAME CATCH BASIN THAT IT CURRENTLY ENDS UP AT ANYWAY. UH, ABANDONED AND REMOVED OR JUST ABANDONED? ABANDONED AND REMOVED AND, UH, COMPLETELY BECAUSE I BELIEVE. YEAH, IT'S NO, IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE SEPTIC AREA. I'M SORRY, BUT, UH, YEAH, THE PLAN WOULD BE TO ABANDON AND REMOVE IT, UH, AND PLUG IT WITH, UH, EITHER HYDRAULIC CEMENT, UH, OR EQUAL, YOU KNOW, AT THE, AT THE BASIN. IF WE COULD, IF YOU WOULD LET US. OTHERWISE WE'LL DO IT AT THE PROPERTY LINE. YEAH. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO, LIKE, REMOVE THE PIPE OUT OF THE GROUND OR, OR. REMOVE IT FROM SERVICE. 
          OR REMOVE IT FROM SERVICE AND AND SEAL IT. 
          NO. REMOVE THE PIPE OUT OF THE GROUND. AND IN ADDITION TO PLUG IT SO THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL, UH, SEDIMENT ENTERING INTO THE BASIN. AFTER IT'S REMOVED. CORRECT. 
          THAT THAT'S THE NOT CATCH BASIN IN RIDGE ROAD, BUT THE ONE IN MY DRIVEWAY. THAT'S WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. 
          OKAY. YES. OKAY. CORRECT. UH, THEN WE'LL DEBRIS FROM THE PROPERTY ENTER THE CATCH BASIN. NO. UH, IMMEDIATELY AFTER DISCONNECTING, YOU PLUG IT. UH, WE COULD PUT A FILTER FABRIC OVER THE BASIN TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING FLOWS AND ENTERS IT AND CLOGS IT. UH, I'M SURE EVEN MAKE NOTES ABOUT KEEPING IT CLEAN. IF YOU IF YOU LIKE, WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS AS WELL. UH, THE EXISTING CATCH BASIN AND RIDGE ROAD NOW HAS A PIPE FLOWING FROM THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. CATCH. RIGHT. I KIND OF BRIEFLY SPOKE ABOUT THIS, UH, THAT PIPE WILL HAVE TO BE WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN CONNECTION INTO THE BASIN. UH, THERE WILL BE NO DISCONNECT. AND THE NEW CONNECTION NEEDS TO WORK AROUND IT. SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IN CONJUNCTION WITH, WITH ANALYZING WHERE YOUR PIPE ENTERS THE BASIN AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN MOVE IT TO COME IN MORE PERPENDICULAR OR AVOID THE MAILBOX. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT OVER THE 
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NENEXT WEEK OR SO, PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING, AND HOPEFULLY COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT THAT WORKS GREAT. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO ADD, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, THAT IN CONNECTION WITH SORT OF THE REROUTING AND PIPING OF THE STREAM BEYOND THE WETLAND WATERCOURSE, PERMIT THAT THIS BOARD IS REVIEWING. THERE'S ALSO A WATERCOURSE PROTECTION PERMIT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 270 OF THE TOWN CODE THAT'S ADMINISTERED BY THE BUREAU OF ENGINEERING. SO WE HAVE OUR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS REVIEWING WHAT MR. CASEYEY, POLICE ARE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE PIPE, WHERE IT'S TYING IN, HOW IT'S TYING IN THE VOLUME OF WATER MOVING THROUGH THE PIPE, ETC.. 
          OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. FOR THE RECORD. YES, MY NAME IS DOCTOR KLAUS VON SEAN. I LIVE AT THREE HAWTHORNE WAY AND MY PROPERTY ABUTS IN THE UPPER AREA ON THE EASTERLY SIDE. EXCUSE ME. I THINK OUR CONCERN IS HAVING LOOKED AT THE PLANS. AND I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT OR AN ENGINEER. I'M A PHYSICIAN. SO THIS IS A WHOLE NEW THING FOR ME. BUT I THINK WHAT OUR CONCERN IS FOR IN TALKING WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORS IS WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS REROUTING WATER CHANNELS, AND THAT CONCERNS US FOR OUR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE NEIGHBORING SIDE. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S AN INCREASE IN WEATHER, STORMS, FLOODING? WILL WE GET ANY OF THAT RUNOFF COMING TOWARDS US BECAUSE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? AND THAT'S WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT RESPOND TO THOSE AS WELL. YES. SO, UH, WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE ENTIRE WATERSHED, UH, WHICH IS THIS SHEET, SHEET, UH, 7 TO 10. AND THIS WAS USED, UH, WE BASICALLY SIZED IT FOR 100 YEAR STORM. WE CALCULATED A DRAINAGE BASIN AREA. SO AN ENTIRE, UH, THERE'S THERE'S NEW YORK STATE REGULATIONS, THERE'S, UH, MANUALS THAT TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW TO HOW TO CALCULATE THIS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACES TO USE DEPENDING ON THE ZONES AND HOW BIG THE HOMES ARE. AND SO TAKING ALL THAT GUIDANCE INTO CONSIDERATION, YOU COME UP WITH AN AREA, UH, AND THEN YOU MULTIPLY IT TIMES THE DEPTH OF RAINFALL AND YOU GET A VOLUME. AND THAT VOLUME GENERATES A FLOW TO THIS PIPE, WHICH IS HOW THE PIPE WAS SIZED. AND THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CALCULATION ARE SOME OF THEM ARE ON THIS SHEET. THERE'S ALSO A HYDROCARBON ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE. UH, AND SO IT WAS LOOKED AT VERY CLOSELY, UH, SIZING THIS PIPE AND WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN HANDLE, YOU KNOW, EXCESSIVE RAINFALLS. UH, IT'S DEFINITELY OVERSIZED, UH, FOR, UH, FOR, FOR UP TO 100 YEAR STORM AND, UH, THAT'S MY, MY RESPONSE. 
          SO THE SHADED AREA WOULD BE LIKE THE CONTRIBUTING AREA THAT FEEDS WATER TOWARDS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE A AREA ON YOUR CLIEN' PROPERTY IS THAT IS THAT MORE OR LESS ACCURATE? YES. SO, UH, UM, I. BELIEVE THIS AREA. 
          IS SO 11 HAWTHORNE WAY. IT IS UP HERE. AND, UH, 17. HAWTHORNE WAY IS UP HERE. UH, SO, YEAH, THESE ARE THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH OF US. AND, AND THAT AREA IS DETERMINED BASED ON CONTOURS, RIGHT? WHICH ARE THE WHICH IS THE LAY OF THE LAND. 
          SO BASED ON WHICHEVER WAY, YOU KNOW, THE LAND, SLOPES AND WATER WILL FLOW IS HOW YOU DETERMINE THIS AREA. SO YOU COME UP WITH A BASIN THAT'S FLOWING TO THE DESIGN POINT. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S HOW THIS WAS DETERMINED. THIS, UH, THIS WATERSHED, IT'S CALLED THE WATERSHED AREA OR CONTRIBUTING AREA, AS AARON PUT IT. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. ONE LAST QUESTION. BASED ON THE CONDITIONS, AT LEAST ON YOUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY CURRENTLY RELATED TO THE CHANNEL AND THEN THE PIPE AND THEN KIND OF THE HOLE INTO THE GROUND WHERE EVERYTHING DISAPPEARS. DO YOU ENVISION THAT RATHER THAN MAKING THINGS WORSE, THAT THIS COULD THESE IMPROVEMENTS COULD ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO AN OVERALL IMPROVEMENT IN THE FLOW OF WATER? YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IS CONTRIBUTING AND ENTERING ONTO YOUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY AND THEN THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY OR YOUR CLIENT'S PROPERTY AND ULTIMATELY INTO THE CATCH BASIN. DO YOU THINK IT MAY ACTUALLY, IN THE FUTURE CONDITION, BE AN IMPROVEMENT? I JUST WANTED THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO U UNDERSTAND IF THAT' 
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YOUR POSITION ON. 100%. I MEAN, UH, RIGHT NOW, AS YOU SAID, I MEAN, THE HOUSE KIND OF SPEAKS FOR THE WAY THAT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN MAINTAINED FOR THE, ENTIRE PAST. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS, SO I CAN'T SAY A NUMBER. 
          UH, SO YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT PIPE'S EVEN FULLY FLOWING OR CLOGGED. IT'S PROBABLY CLOGGED WITH SEDIMENT AND DEBRIS. AND, UH, NOT REALLY. PROBABLY GONE TOO MUCH WATER. UH, WHICH IS WHY I BELIEVE MR. CHAN EXPLAINED THAT HE GETS SOME WASHOUT, UH, BY HIS DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE THE PIPES AREN'T FUNCTIONING. SO I THINK ACTUALLY, AFTER WE INSTALL THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, PIPE TO HELP TRANSPORT THE WATER THROUGH A 12 INCH PIPE, BY THE WAY, WHICH IS VERY LARGE. YEAH. 
          UH, WHEN WE INSTALL THIS 12 INCH PIPE TO HELP TRANSPORT THE WATER THROUGH HIS, HIS WASHOUT PROBLEM GOES AWAY. AND 100% HELPS MOVE. MOVE WATER THROUGH THE PROPERTY BETTER THAN IT HAS FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS THAT IT'S BEEN, UH, THAT IT'S BEEN THERE. RIGHT. AND THEN THE OPEN CHANNEL AREA IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED WITH MITIGATION PLANTINGS. UM, YOU KNOW, IN A HEADWALL. IS THAT ACCURATE? CORRECT. YEAH. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HEADWALL HERE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, TO ACCEPT, UH, WHERE THE WATER GETS CHANNELED INTO AND THEN THIS, THIS WHOLE AREA HERE, YOU KNOW, UP IN THIS, IN THIS VICINITY IS, IS WETLAND AND PLANTINGS AND, UH. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE PLANTED, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH SPECIES T THAT ACCEPT WATER AND THRIVE AND IN WETLAND CONDITIONS, UH, TO HELP MITIGATE ANY, UH, EFFECTS FROM THE, I GUESS, REGRADING NEEDED TO PIPE THIS THROUGH GREAT INTERMITTENT WATERCOURSE THROUGH. THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THERE WAS A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. 
          IS THERE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION? JUST COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. IS IT A AN EIGHT INCH PIPE OR A 12 INCH PIPE? BECAUSE I MY PLAN THAT I LOOK I'M LOOKING AT THAT I HAVE IT SAYS PROP EIGHT INCH SDR 35 210 LINEAR FEET. 
          I THINK THAT WAS A PREVIOUS PLAN. AT ONE POINT IT WAS EIGHT INCH. UH, BUT WE TOOK A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH. AND, UH, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY BEEN BACK AND FORTH WITH ENGINEERING A FEW TIMES, THEY'VE REVIEWED THIS, COMMENTED, UH, ACTUALLY ASKED US TO EVEN TIE ON THE OVERFLOWS INTO THE M MANUAL. AN UH, SO, YEAH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IT DID CHANGE FROM AN EIGHT TO A 12. I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU SAW. 
          UM, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT I SAW ONLINE WHEN I THREW THE, UH, THE LETTER THAT I RECEIVED LAST FRIDAY. 
          OKAY. SO. UH, SO WE'RE JUST ONE NOTE. UM, YEAH. THE PLANS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE WEBSITE ARE A BIT OUT OF DATE, AND, UH, WE WILL POST THE UPDATED PLANS TO THE WEBSITE TOMORROW MORNING. OKAY. 
          OH, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THERE USED TO BE A POND IN THE PROPERTY WHERE THE WATER, UH, ACCUMULATED. THAT'S THAT'S ALL. WHAT KIND. 
          OF POND? THE WETLANDS. POND? WHERE WAS THE POND? WHERE WAS THE POND? AND WAS IT NATURALLY CREATED, OR WAS IT MANMADE? RIGHT. UM, IT'S CHANGED OVER THE YEARS THROUGH DIFFERENT OWNERS. BUT THE LOCATION WOULD BE WITH LOOKING AT THAT PLAN PRETTY MUCH WHERE THE, UH, RIPRAP AND THE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE TO THE RIGHT OF IT IN THE GREEN AREA. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          I GUESS ARE THERE ANY, UM, HISTORIC SURVEYS OF THE PROPERTY THAT THAT INDICATE THE POND, OR DO THOSE PREDATE DOES THAT PREDATE ANY SURVEYS THAT YOU HAVE ACCESS TO? WE CAN CERTAINLY CHECK THE TOWN RECORDS, BUT WE'D ALSO ASK MR. GARCIA TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF HE HAS ANY DOCUMENTATION AVAILABLE TO HIM OR HIS OFFICE. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. I MEAN, UM, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A POND, BUT, I MEAN, THERE'S A DEPRESSION HERE THAT MAYBE STORED WATER DURING RAINFALLS AND THEN DRAIN, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A POND LIKE. SO. YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN. 
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I'LL TAKEE A LOOK MYSELF, BUT, UH, WE COULD CHECK INTO THAT. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC HERE IN THE ROOM? ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM ANYONE ON ZOOM? UH. 
          DOES NOT APPEAR SO. UM, SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO OUR NOVEMBER 4TH MEETING. 
          SO. MOVED. 
          MOVED? MISS ROBINSON. SECOND. SECOND. MISTER PULLINGER. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          CHAIR. VOTES I. AND AGAIN, UH, THAT PUBLIC HEARING ON NOVEMBER 4TH WILL BE NOTICED AND THE SIGNAGE WILL BE UPDATED AT THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. UM, ALL RIGHT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF OUR MEETING. 
          SO MOVE. MISTER PULLINGER, SECOND MISS ROBINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. CHAIR VOTES AYE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE ARE NOW MOVING INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS WORK SESSION PORTION OF THE MEETING. WE HAVE, UH, ONE PIECE OF NEW BUSINESS THIS EVENING. CASE NUMBER TB 2502605 PB 2623 RLIF EAST TWO LLC AT 113 WAREHOUSE LANE IN PO ELMS FOR THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING A TOWN BOARD AMENDED SITE PLAN WHICH HAS BEEN REFERRED TO US FOR RECOMMENDATION AND LATER ON, THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO SEEK A PLANNING BOARD LANDSCAPE BUFFER WAIVER. UM. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. 
          GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PETER SCOTT. I'M AN ARCHITECT AND ENGINEER REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. UM, I DIDN'T BRING MY COMPUTER WITH ME. I JUST BROUGHT A FLASH DRIVE. CAN YOU GUYS POST IT? BUT WE EMAILED TO YOU. 
          UH, SURE. YES. EMAIL IT. 
          FOR ME. UH, I CAN ENTER IT INTO MY LAPTOP. YOU'RE WELL? JUST A WORK SESSION. I WASN'T SURE. CAN YOU DO THAT? UH, WELL. THAT'S LOADING. UM, THIS PROPERTY IS, UH, 14.2 ACRES. IT'S A HEAVILY INDUSTRIAL SITE REFERRED TO AS ONE THREE WAREHOUSE LANE. UH, AND BASICALLY CONSISTS OF NUMEROUS COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, INCLUDING UPS AND OTHER LARGE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THIS IN THIS OVERALL PROPERTY. UH, THAT'S THE OVERALL. AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH IS WE'RE WORKING WITH A LOWER, UH, THE PREVIOUS ONE WOULD BE GREAT. UH, THE CYY ONE, A I GUESS, UH, I'LL KEEP GOING ALONE. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO, CY ONE A IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR IF I COULD. THAT'S IT. SO, UM, WITHIN THIS COMPLEX, UH, YOU HAVE THE WAREHOUSE LANE BISECTS IT AND A VERTICAL DIRECTION ON THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE REUSING BUILDING NUMBER TWO OF THIS COMPLEX, WHICH IS IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER AND IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER. WE HAVE THE SAWMILL RIVER, UH, PASSING TO OUR SOUTH. ACTUALLY EAST. UH, AND, UH, TO THE NORTH OF US IS AGAIN A PROPERTY LINE AND ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THE BUILDINGS ARE ALL EXISTING, AND THE BUILDING WE'RE WORKING WITH USED TO HOUSE A BUS GARAGE AND, UH, SOME FORM OF, UM, UH, BREAD STORAGE FACILITY OR OR OR BAKING AT ONE TIME. UH, AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE BEFORE YOU TO REPURPOSE, UH, THIS BUILDING FOR A COMPANY CALLED BOND CIVIL AND UTILITY. 
          AND WHAT THEY ARE IS A 119 YEAR OLD, UH, COMPANY WHICH PUTS IN, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE INTO THE GROUND WATER LINES, GAS LINES, ETC.. UH, AND SO IN THAT CAPACITY, UH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, EMPLOYEES MEETING AT THIS BUILDING. UH, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THEY'RE GOING TO DISPERSE, UH, THROUGH VARIOUS, UH, TRUCKS BEING STORED THERE. UH, THEY'RE WORKING TRUCKS TO SITES, UH, SOUTH OF HERE, UH, EXTENDING, UH, FROM THE AYLESFORD AREA ALL THE WAY DOWN TO NEW YORK CITY. 
          NOW, THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY OPERATED, UH, CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY BOND, CIVIL AND UTILITY. UH, BECAUSE THE IN THE LEASE ZONE OR L UH, THIS BASICALLY IS AN APPROVED USE. 
          UH, AND WHAT WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU IS TO BASICALLY REPURPOSE 
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AN AREA AROUND IT. AND IF YOU GO TO CY ONE FORM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, UH, WITH THIS APPLICATION, WE HAVE LIKE A FOUR PAGE STATEMENT OF USE EXPLAINING ALL THIS, BUT THIS IS A BLOW UP OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING WITHIN THAT LARGE PARCEL. AND CURRENTLY THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY A FENCE, CHAINLINK FENCES. AND THAT THAT'S WITHIN THE THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL BUFFER BEYOND OUR CHAIN LINK FENCE. AND WE'RE NOT DOIOING ANYTHING TO THE, UH, THE BUILDING EXCEPT GENERAL CLEANUP, WHICH IS TAKING PLACE ALREADY. UH, AND THE AND THE OVERALL MANAGEMENT OF THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING HAS PUT A NUMBER TWO ON IT THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BUILDING FACADE, FACING TO THE SOUTH. UH, SO IN THIS LITTLE CORNER, REMOTE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. UH, WE'D LIKE TO DO THE FOLLOWING. UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO STRIPE THE THE PAVEMENT, WHICH EXISTS ON THE SITE AND ALLOCATE CERTAIN SPACES FOR VARIOUS USES. WE ANTICIPATE, IN ADDITION, WE'RE ADDING ON 12 PARKING SPOTS, SIX OF WHICH ARE IN GRASS STREET, WHICH IS A PERMEABLE MATERIAL, AND SIX OF THEM WHICH ARE ON PAVEMENT, AND THEY'RE LOCATED NEAR THE FRONT DOOR. AND WE HAD TO DO THAT TO MAKE THIS BUILDING, UH, ACCESSIBLE FROM THE PARKING SPACES TO THIS PARKING AREA FOR OUR EMPLOYEES. BEYOND THIS LITTLE PARKING ENCLAVE LOCATED TO THE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. THE REST OF THE SPACES ARE BEING LINED FOR FOR VARIOUS VEHICLES, WHICH ARE UTILITY TRUCKS. UH, AND WE GOT SOME, UM, WE HAVE SOME TRI AXLES. UH, WE HAVE, UH, PICKUP TRUCKS, UTILITY SERVICE TRUCKS, EQUIPMENT, TRAILERS, AND THEN, UH, PERIODICALLY IN THIS WITHIN THIS SPACE, AS WE HAVE, UH, WE'D HAVE SOME EXCAVATORS AND A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE DIGGING HOLES IN THE GROUND AND BASICALLY MAKING LARGE TRENCH WORK ON THE PROPERTY. UH, WE'LL BE STORING, UH, INERT MATERIALS SUCH AS COMPACTION EQUIPMENT, PIPE HANDLING, TRENCH BOXES, AND VARIOUS OTHER COMPONENTS THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN THE ROAD. THERE'S CONES AND AND BARRIERS ARE IN PLACE. ALL THESE WOULD BE STORED HERE AS ONE OF THE MANY FACILITIES THAT THIS COMPANY MAINTAINS. AND THE NEED WE HAVE TO ENHANCE THIS PROPERTY. UH, IS BECAUSESE, UH, THEY HAVE TO HAVE EQUIPMENT IN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM, UH, PROPOSED AND FUTURE ACTIVITIES. AND THIS IS ONE ITEM THAT THEY, THEY LOCATED TO, UH, TO USE IT AS A STAGING AREA FOR GOING OFF TO VARIOUS SITES. MOST OF THE TIME, THE, UH, OUR EQUIPMENT WILL BE ON THE JOB SITES WILL BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO WHERE THIS ONGOING WORK IS, BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT IN, UH, UTILITY PIPING AND, AND AND VARIOUS EQUIPMENT, THESE ARE LONG TERER PROJECTS. UH, AND SO A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE ON SITE, BUT PERIODICALLY THEY HAVE TO COME BACK. AND WITHIN THE BUILDING ITSELF, WE'LL BE PROVIDING SOME, UH, UH, SOME MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS. ANY MAINTENANCE, UH, ANY WORK ON ANY EQUIPMENT IS IN THIS 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WHICH EXISTS. UH, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE OUTSIDE IS JUST SITTING THERE, EITHER A VACANT SPOT FOR A VEHICLE, FOR A VEHICLE THAT'S GOING OFF TO A JOB SITE, UH, OR SOMETHING. COMING BACK, WAITING FOR T THE NEXT PROJECT. IN ADDITION, UH, IN OUR SITE PLAN, WE'VE DEPICTED AREAS WHERE WE WILL BE PLANNING AND TO TO STORE EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE'RE BUYING A LARGE PIPING AND WE'VE GOT PILES OF PIPE SITTING FOR THE NEXT JOB. SO WE'RE WE'RE USING THIS AS A CENTRAL LOCATION TO, TO STORE EQUIPMENT AND DISPERSE IT TO VARIOUS JOB SITES. SO WITH THIS DESCRIPTION OF THE USE THAT WE HAVE, UH, AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR ENHANCEMENT IS STRIPING EXISTING PAVEMENT, ADDING 12 PARKING SPACES. AND ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE OF THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU. UH, WE'RE INSTALLING A, UH, A CHAIN LINK FENCE WHICH FACES TOWARD THE, UH, WAREHOUSE. UH, LANE. 
          UH, AND THAT'S GOING TO HOUSE ON THAT, UH, ON THAT LINE WHICH IS DEPICTED VERTICALLY ON OUR SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU. UH, WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN SOME HORIZONTAL STRIPING TO CREATE A 
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VISUAL BARRIER. SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE 500FT AWAY FROM WAREHOUSE LANE WITH THIS REMOTE PORTION OF THE LOT, UH, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE OUR EQUIPMENT STORED BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO PUT SCREENING WITHIN A TEN FOOT TALL, UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE. UH, AND, UH, AND THAT'S, AGAIN, IT WILL BE A VISUAL BARRIER FROM ANY OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL AS THE ROADWAY WHICH CROSSES THROUGH THE SITE. IN ADDITION, WITHIN THAT, UH, FENCE LINE WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 30 FOOT WIDE, UH, ELECTRIC FENCE. UH, BASICALLY A GATE THAT OPENS UP AND OPENS AND CLOSES AND IT'S A KEY OPERATED, KEYPAD OPERATED. SO THAT'LL PROHIBIT PEOPLE FROM ENTERING ONTO THE SITE IN OFF HOURS. BUT MOST OF THE TIME THAT GATE WILL BE OPEN FOR OUR VEHICLES TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH. MOST OF OUR EQUIPMENT LEAVES A SITE BETWEEN SIX AND LIKE 9:00. UH, WE'RE THERE EARLY BIRDS, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO COMPETE THE TRAFFIC. 
          AND SO BASICALLY, THE TRUCKS WILL ARRIVIVE. UH, PRIVATE VEHICLES WILL PARK IN THOSE SPACES. WE'RE PROVIDING 25 SPACES FOR THESE PEOPLE. THEY'LL GET THEIR VEHICLES THERE FOR THE DAY. THEY'RE PARKED CARS OR LIGHT TRUCKS, AND THEN THEY'LL GO ON TO THE SITE, PICK UP THEIR EQUIPMENT AND GET THIS FIRST OFF, TO THE APPROPRIATE CONSTRUCTION AREAS. 
          UH, WE HAVE A WAIVER IN HERE. UH, OUR WAIVER WAS BASICALLY LOOKING AT SOME PLANTED BUFFERS. UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, TOWARD THE SAWMILL RIVER. WE HAVAVE 35 BETWEEN ABOUT 35 MINIMUM FEET OF DENSE FOLIAGE, WHICH EXISTS. UH, AND LITERALLY, UH, THE FOLIAGE GROWS RIGHT UP TO THE FENCE ITSELF. IT'S A SOLID COVER, AND THERE'S NO VISIBILITY OF THE SAWMILL RIVER FROM THE SITE AROUND THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ALL, UM, CHAINLINK FENCES. YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER PARKING AREAS. 
          UH, THERE'S UPS FACILITY IS TO OUR WEST. UH, THE UPS FACILITY HAS ADDITIONAL PARKING TO THE NORTH OF US, AND THE SOUTH OF US IS A LARGE, UH, SLOPED PAVED AREA WHICH USED TO SERVICE A SMALL LITTLE BUILDING CALLED BUILDING ONE. UH, BUT THAT'S NOT IN USE RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S A BIG, EMPTY PARKING SPACE. UH, TO THE SOUTH. SO THIS IS BASICALLY THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. THE USE HAS BEEN REVIEWED. OUR USE IS APPROVED BY THE ORDINANCES. WE'RE IN THE L1 ZONE AND BY REFERENCE, WE'RE ALSO WITHIN THE OB OFFFFICE BUILDING DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY'RE CO SHARING PRINCIPAL USES BETWEEN THOSE TWO ZONES. 
          UH, ALL WE'RE DOING REALLY IS IMPROVING THE SITE. WE'RE PUTTING THE FENCE IN TO BUFFER IT. UH, WE'RE FIXING UP THE BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S BEEN, UH, AND SLIGHTLY DISREPAIR. SO THEY'VE ALREADY FIXED THAT UP AND THEY'RE, THEY'VE HAD THEY HAVE OFFICE SPACES IN BUILDING NUMBER TWO. UH, AND THIS IS THE THIRD AND FINAL PHASE OF THE PROJECT IS PUTTING THE FENCE UP, UH, STRIPING THE THE EXISTING PAVEMENT, FIXING THE HANDICAP ACCESS FOR PARKING AND ADDING THOSE 12 PARKING SPACES. 
          AND THAT'S THE SCOPE OF THIS ENTIRE PROJECT. 
          I HAD ONE QUESTION. SO IT SHOWS ON THE PLAN IS MATERIAL STORAGE. SO YOU SAID EQUIPMENT STORAGE, BUT MATERIAL STORAGE. 
          WHAT TYPES OF MATERIALS DO YOU INTEND ON STORING? UH, PIPING. EVERYTHING'S COMPLETELY. 
          INERT, LIKE LOOSE MATERIALS, LIKE GRAVEL. ITEM FOUR. 
          NO, JUST PURE PIPES STACKING UP PIPING. UH, AND, UM, AND IN THAT MATERIAL STORAGE, WE DO HAVE SOME CONCRETE, UM, BARRIERS WE USE ON JOB SITES, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS PURE PIPING. STORAGE IS INSIDE. THE BUILDING. 
          YES, IT IS. AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL STORAGE INSIDE THE BUILDING. BUT A LOT OF THIS STUFF IS KIND OF UNGAINLY. YOU KNOW, CONCRETE, UH, OF JERSEY BARRIERS. UH, WE BELIEVE IN THE OUTSIDE. AND YOU. MENTIONED MAINTENANCE OF EQUIPMENT? YES. INSIDE THE BUILDING ITSELF. UH, THE BUS GARAGE WAS THERE IN THE PAST AS A USE. AND THEY DID MAINTENANCE IN THAT BUILDING. WE WOULD DO A MINOR MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THE OF THE EQUIPMENT. UH, BASICALLY, GREASING IS PRETTY MUCH THE MAJORITY OF THE OF THE PROCESS REQUIRED. AND THIS TYPE OF USE. 
          IS. IS THE BUILDING CURRENTLY UNDER USE? NO. UH, IT'S BEEN OPEN FOR NUMEROUS YEARS. UH, IT'S BEEN UH, UH, IT WAS VACATED, BUT, UH, STILL MAINTAINED A CO, UH, AND IT WAS BEING OPERATED REALLY JUST AS A LIMITED STORAGE FACILITY. 
          OR ANY OF THE TRUCKS GOING TO BE WASHED, UM, ON THIS PREMISES. NO WASHING. 
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AND OIL CHANGING. UH, I'D HAVE TO ASK CLARIFICATION. THIS IS DAVE LEVINE FROM THE FINE CIVIL. 
          UH, YOU CAN SPEAK AT THE PODIUM. THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH. 
          AND STATE YOUR NAME. UH, DAVID LEVINE, UH, DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION FOR BOND CIVIL UTILITY. UH, NEW YORK, NEW JERSEY. UM, USAGE. THANK YOU. BOB. UH, SO USE IS A REPAIRS OF VEHICLES INSIDE, YOU KNOW, OF EQUIPMENT INSIDE. WE'D BE DOING REGULAR SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE. UM, OIL CHANGE IS ITEMS LIKE THAT WE DO WORK ON. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT COMPRESSORS, COMPRESSOR TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, SMALL MOTORS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE'D BE WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'RE REPLACING SOME HYDRAULIC LINES OR WHATNOT. BUT, UM, WE'D HAVE ALL THE NECESSARY ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS IN PLACE. YOU KNOW, DISPOSAL TANKS, ETCETERA, DUMPSTERS OR WHATNOT. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT OUT OF ANY OF THE SURROUNDING MECHANIC SHOPS THAT ARE IN THE SAME FACILITY AS US. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE STORMWATER MAINTENANCE? SO THAT AREA IS KNOWN TO FLOOD? SURE. UM, AND YOU'RE ADDING MORE CONCRETE. YOU'RE GETTING RID OF GRASS. 
          UH, SORRY. I'M SORRY YOU HAVEN'T SPOKEN ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. SURE. 
          SO, SECOND. SO. SO ONE SECOND. JUST A SECONDARY QUESTION TO THAT. YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, UM, OIL CHANGES, ETC.. IS THERE A OIL SEPARATOR OR ANOTHER CONTAINMENT DEVICE? UM, YOU KNOW, EITHER WITHIN THE PROXIMITY OF THE BUILDING OR THE PAVEMENT PRIOR TO THE ADJACENT SAWMILL RIVER? RIGHT. EVERYTHING IN THE BUILDING PITCHES TOWARD A CENTRAL AREA IN THE BUILDING. THERE'S NO POSITIVE DISCHARGE FROM THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. EVERYTHING SLOPES INWARD. UH, AND SO BASICALLY, IN THE PAST, THE BUS GARAGE HAD A, AN EMERGENCY SUMP, WHICH COULD THEN BASICALLY SEALED, WHICH WOULD COLLECT ANYTHING AND NEVER, EVER ANYTHING AT DISCHARGE FROM INSIDE THE BUILDING. SLOPES IS ONE AREA WHICH HAS BEEN EXISTING FROM THE BUS GARAGE. DAYS OF THAT OF THAT FACILITY? YES. JUST TWO FOLLOW UPS TO THAT. 
          AND I'M SORRY. NO. YES. ROBINSON. YES. HAS THE EXISTING SUMP, UH, SEALED SUMP BEEN EVALUATED TO DETERMINE IF IT'S FUNCTIONAL OR IN NEED OF ANY SORT OF MAINTENANCE? WE CAN P PROVIDE A REPORT ON THAT. 
          THAT'D BE GREAT. AND THEN, UM, JUST A FOLLOW UP. YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT OIL CHANGES, BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT ANY VEHICLE WASHING. UM, GOING TO TAKE PLACE EITHER IN OR OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. YEAH. WE DON'T PLAN ON USING IT. WE BRING ALL OUR VEHICLES TO THE ACTUAL VEHICLE WASH STATIONS FOR WASHING FROM THERE. LIKE WE'RE NOT SETTING UP, LIKE, OKAY. BECAUSE YOU THINK ABOUT THE SOAPS. YEAH. WE'RE NOT SETTING UP, LIKE, A GIANT TRUCK WASH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          OR ANYTHING. YEAH. SO IN RIVER RIGHT THERE. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. SO, YEAH, WE CAN'T DO THAT. SO THE SAWMILL RIVER, UH, THERE'S A FLOOD ZONE. IT'S THE X FLOOD ZONE, AND IT'S ON THE SITE PLAN. IT'S ON THE LOWER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE PROPERTY X ZONE. WE SUBMITTED A BUNCH OF STUDIES ON THAT TO THE VARIOUS OFFICES IN THE TOWN. 
          IT'S LESS THAN 12IN DEEP. IN A WORST CASE SCENARIO. UH, AND THAT'S LIKE 100 YEAR FLOOD EVENT. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE ARE ADDING THE IMPERVIOUS OUTSIDE THE FLOOD ZONE. AND WE, WITH INPUT FROM ENGINEERING, WE'RE GOING HALF PERVIOUS PAVEMENT AND HALF OF PAVEMENT TO REDUCE THAT AMOUNT OF, UM, OF, UH, IMPERVIOUS SPACE BEING ADDED. UH, THE IMPACTS ARE INSIGNIFICANT. IT'S 14.2 ACRES. UH, WE HAVE LIKE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX SPACES. UH, AND AGAIN, WE'RE USING THE IMPERVIOUS BASIN NEXT DOOR. SO ANY RUNOFF THAT COMES OFF THESE NEW PAVEMENT THAT WE'RE ADDING GOES INTO THE IMPERVIOUS AREA AND PERCOLATES INTO T THE GROUN SO. SO WE HAVEN'T WE HAVE A PERCOLATION SYSTEM HANDLING THE NEW PAVEMENT AS A THROUGH THE USE OF A GRASS CREEK. AND THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT BY OUR BUREAU OF ENGINEERING, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DID AN ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE. CORRECT? YES. 
          AND THERE'S MAINTENANCE OBLIGATIONS WITH ASSOCIATED WITH THE GRASS CREEK. LIKE IS THERE VACUUMING REQUIRED LIKE FOR IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT OR JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS? IT'S VACUUMING. AND IT'S BASICALLY YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GRAVEL ANNUALLY TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT DISPLACED IN THAT ONE LOCATION. 
          HAVE YOU PROVIDED, LIKE THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE THAT COMES WITH THE GRASS CREEK? BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE LIKE MANUFACTURER STANDARDS. I HAVE ONE, YEAH. WE SENT IT TO WRONG. THANK YOU. 
          UH, SO SO BASICALLY, UM, THE, UH, WE'RE PUTTING ISOLATED POLES IN THE GROUND, WHICH ARE ABOUT TWO INCH, 2.5IN IN DIAMETER TO HOLD UP A FENCE. AND THOSE ARE WITHIN THE FLOODPLAIN, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE 2.5IN DIAMETER POSTS. AND THE, UH, THE FENCING IS ABOVE THAT, ABOVE THE, ABOVE THE ONE FOOT LEVEL. SO WE BASICALLY ALLOW THE WATER TO FLOW FREE AROUND 
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THESE ISOLATED POSTS WHICH MAKE UP THIS FENCE WE'RE ADDING. AND JUST FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES, THERE'S, THERE WAS ALWAYS A, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A FENCE ON THE PROPERTY IN A HAPHAZARD, UH, NATURE. UH, WE'RE REMOVING A LOT OF THAT AND BASICALLY MAKING A CORRECT FENCE WITH THE SLATS IN IT, BECAUSE THERE'S A THERE'S BEEN A TEMPORARY FENCE THERE FOR A WHILE, AND I'M NOT SURE THE HISTORY OF IT, BUT THERE'S BEEN FENCES THERE HISTORICALLY FOR QUITE A WHILE, SEPARATING THIS ONE USE FROM THE REST OF THAT BUILDING. ONE. WE'RE GETTING RID OF ALL THAT HALF WAY OLD COMPLETE FENCING AND MAKING IT NEW, UH, TO, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING IT TALLER TO TEN FEET. THE OTHER STUFF THAT RIGHT NOW IS LIKE SIX FEET TALL, FIVE AND A HALF, SIX FEET. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE IT WOULD HAVE AN ELECTRICALLY OPERATED GATE. UH, HOW'S THAT BEING PROTECTED FROM POTENTIAL FLOODWATERS? WELL, THE MECHANISMS FOR THE GATE ITSELF ARE ABOVE THE 12 INCH ELEVATION OF FLOOD. UH, WHEN WE BUILD, UH, ELECTRIC GATETES LIKE THIS, THE MOTORS A MECHANISMS ARE AT THE TOP OF THE POLE, SO THEY CANNOT BE INUNDATED BY THE WATER. AND WE WILL HAVE A SEALED, UH, ELECTRICAL CONDUIT REACHING THIS AREA. BUT THE WE WE HAVE, WE HAVE A SEALED ELECTRICAL CONDUIT REACHING TO THE MOTOR, WHICH IS TO THE TOP OF THE GATE. SO WE CAN'T WATER CAN NEVER FLOOD THE THE GATE. 
          YOU MENTIONED THE SCREENING FOR THE NEW, UH, FENCING THAT YOU'RE PUTTING UP. YES. UM, SO WILL THAT FENCING BE, UM, FROM THE ROADWAY? WE WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE ANYTHING INSIDE THAT'S THE IDEA. YES. RIGHT. IT'S TEN FEET TALL. UH, AND WE HAVE NUMEROUS OPTIONS FOR SCREENING. WE REPRESENTED A COUPLE OF THOSE IN OUR PRESENTATION. WE'RE OPEN TO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHATEVER. UH, ANY OF YOUR CONSULTANTS OR, UM, PEOPLE IN THE TOWN ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING. IT'S JUST BASICALLY THEY'RE PRE MANUFACTURED AND AND THEY, THEY'RE EITHER WOVEN THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE WIRE OR THEY'RE ACTUALLY ATTACHED TO THE SIDE OF IT. YOUOU CAN EVEN GET BRUSH LOOKING, UH, YOU KNOW, SCREENING IF YOU'D LIKE TO THAT. AND ARE THE SAMPLES ANYTHING AVAILABLE IN YOUR MATERIALS. ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW ONE EXAMPLE ARE THE OLD, LIKE, METAL SLATS, AND THOSE ARE NOT DESIRABLE IN THE TOWN JUST BECAUSE OF THE LOOK OVER TIME, I'M SURE THEY'RE NOT DESIRABLE FOR YOUR CLIENT EITHER. 
          NO, WE DON'T WANT THAT. AND I THINK WE IN OUR PACKAGE, WE HAD SOME OPTIONS CALLED OUT, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE, UH, AT A SUBSEQUENT VISIT, UH, OR GET THEM TO THE, UM, TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHOEVER MIGHT WANT TO EVALUATE THAT OR PLANNING. WE CAN GIVE THAT TO THEM TO LOOK AT AGAIN. IT'S IT'S A WE HAVE A BROAD BRUSH OF OPTIONS NOWADAYS ARE MUCH MORE SOPHISTICATED IN THE OLD DAYS. AND WE'LL JUST PROVIDE THE BEST QUALITY WE CAN COME UP WITH TO YOUR SATISFACTION. 
          THANK YOU. WHAT'S JUST THE TRAILERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THE PROPERTY? THESE ARE BASICALLY DORMANT AND JUST STAYING THERE. THEY'RE FLAT BEDS AND BASICALLY A FLATBED TRAILER. IT WOULD BE JUST SITTING READY FOR USE TO PICK IT AND DISTRIBUTE, UH, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT. 
          BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT INTENDED JUST TO BE THERE FOR EXTRA STORAGE FEES. NO, NO, NO, THESE ARE THESE AREN'T THERE'S NOTHING THEY'RE NOT CLOSED TRAILERS. THEY'RE JUST A FLAT BED TRAILER RICE. ANY, UH, LIKE, EQUIPMENT TRAILERS BROUGHT IN OR ACTUALLY TEMPORARY FOR US. MOST OF THE VEHICLE STORAGE THAT WE HAVE ARE BOX TRUCK SERVICE TRUCKS OF THAT NATURE. EVERY NOW AND THEN, WE HAVE A FLATBED TRAILER WE BRING IN FOR MOVING LIKE THE CAT 316 OR EXCAVATORS, BUT WE DON'T ACTUALLY WE DON'T OWN A LARGE NUMBER OF FLATBEDS. WE PAY TRUCKING COMPANIES TO MOVE OUR VEHICLES TO AND FRONT FROM THERE. UM, SO WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING ANYTHING. YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE THE WHOLE FACILITY AROUND US IS ALL UPS TRAILERS AND FEDEX TRAILERS JUST STACKED A MILE LONG, AND THE ROI, IF THEY DO USE THE I KNOW THEY RENT THE SPACE OUT TO AMAZON, THE FORD ONE THAT WE DON'T OWN, YOU KNOW. SO BUT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE BIG, UH, LIKE A BIG BOX TRAILERS. 
          SO THERE W WON'T BE A TRAFFIC HANDS ANALYSIS DONE. 
          WELL, BASICALLY WE'RE OFF PEAK HOUR FOR SURE WHEN WE WHEN WE MOVE OUR EQUIPMENT AROUND. UH, AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IF WE DID A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS? THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD SHOW. UH, AND BASICALLY WE'RE INSIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC DISTRIBUTION VERSUS UPS BECAUSE THEY'RE BUZZING AROUND HERE, LIKE, AND THERE MUST BE ALL THE PARKING SPACES TO THE WEST OF US ARE FILLED WITH UPS TRUCKS IN THE MORNING. SO THEY MUST BE 
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200 TRUCKS THERE. S SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE DELIVERING EQUIPMENT, WE'RE USING IT. ONE OF OUR FLATBEDS OR OUR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR WILL PICK IT UP. AND WHEN I SAY FLATBED, IT'S A BIG FLAT DECK. AND THE VEHICLES ARE ROLL UP ONTO THEM AND WE DRIVE AWAY WITH A VEHICLE. WE'RE NOT BOXING THINGS IN ON THESE TRAILERS. AND THAT'S ABOUT THAT'S THE MOST ENCUMBERED VEHICLE THAT WE HAVE. ALL THESE OTHER TRUCKS ARE JUST LIKE A REGULAR, UH, HEAVY DUTY, UH, PICKUP TRUCK WITH A, WITH A WITH A A SMALL BOX IN THE BACK BED WHICH HAS EQUIPMENT STORED IN IT. AND THEY AND THERE IS AGILE AS ANYONE ELSE DRIVING A 2500 OR 3500 CHEVY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MUCH MORE, BUT ONLY THAT ONE, ONLY ONE, TWO FLATBEDS ARE MOVING. UH, THEY THEY THEY'RE THEY'RE EASY TO MOVE. THEY WE MEET ALL THE RESPECTIVE DOT, UH, REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS, BUT THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT LESS, UH, AGILE, BUT THEY'RE NOT INCOMING. 
          TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. WAS THE WAS THE NEED FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE SPACE THE REASON YOU HAD TO ADD 12 NEW SPACES, PARKING SPACES? NO, UM, WE HAD TO KEEP. WE WANTED TO KEEP THE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, ALL THEY HAD FOR PARKING IN THE PAST WERE FOR FOR PEOPLE USING THE BUILDING WAS A WAS A EXISTING CURB LINE AND SIX PARKING SPACES. AND SO WE DON'T WANT WE DON'T WANT TO MIX OUR, UH, EMPLOYEE PARKING WITH, UH, VEHICLE STORAGE AREAS OR PARKING AREAS, BECAUSE THEN YOU GET THAT CROSS-POLLINATION OF PEOPLE PARKING AND GOING AND TRYING TO MOVE EQUIPMENT OUT. 
          SO WE DEDICATED, UH, AN AREA RIGHT NEAR THE FRONT DOOR OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS SHOWN IN THAT PLAN, SORT OF ON THE NORTHWEST SOUTHWEST CORNER. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE THE EMPLOYEES WILL GO TO PARK THEIR CARS, AND THE CARS WILL STAY THERE MOST OF THE DAY. AND THEN WHEN THEY COME BACK, THEY'LL TAKE THEM FROM THAT AREA. WE DON'T WANT, UH, RANDOM VEHICLES INSIDE THE THE STORAGE AREA THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND WHY COULDN'T ALL THE SPACES HAVE A PERVIOUS SURFACE? UH, IT'S ALL EXISTING ALREADY. ALL THE EVERY BIT OF THIS SITE IS PAVED. YEAH. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M ADDING THE SIX PAVED SPACES BECAUSE I'M USING THE, UH, THE PERVIOUS SPACES TO TAKE THAT RAINFALL. AND IF I HAVE HANDICAPPED PEOPLE, I CAN'T PARK ON A GRASS STREET. I HAVE TO PUT THEM. THEY HAVE TO GO ON TO, UH, PAVEMENT. THAT'S KIND OF THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE ESTABLISHED WITH THAT. AND MY LAST QUESTION, WHAT'S THE IS THERE AN INTERNAL DRAINAGE SYSTEM? EVERYTHING'S SEALED INSIDE. IT'S A SO EVEN IF THERE WAS A EVEN IF THERE WAS A STORM AND THERE WAS FLOODING, IT WOULD BE SEALED AND IT WOULDN'T GET INTO THE RIVER. 
          CORRECT. IT'S A SEALED SYSTEM. OKAY. THANKS. 
          SO I DO HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO MISTER WEINBERG'S. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE NEW PARKING THAT YOU'RE CREATING, HALF IS IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT AND HALF IS JUST REGULAR CONCRETE. 
          YES, I WAS ASPHALT, RIGHT? ASPHALT. SO WHEN PEOPLE COME IN, THEY'RE PARKING THEIR CARS. AND THEN SOMEONE, FOR SOME REASON HAS, UH, AN OIL LEAK OR ANTIFREEZE LEAKING FROM THE VEHICLE. HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE DEALT WITH? UM, I KNOW IN THE CORNER WHERE THE GRASS IS, YOU KNOW, IT SPOKE. IT SHOWS A DRAINAGE SYSTEM. BUT MY CONCERN IS THE, YOU KNOW, A STORM COMING AND ALL OF THAT BEING WASHED INTO THE RIVER LIKE OIL, LIKE ANTIFREEZE AND JUST THINGS COMING FROM THE VEHICLES THAT ARE SITTING THERE ALL DAY. ARE YOU SUGGESTING AN OIL SEPARATOR? YES. 
          WELL,, UM, WE HAVE A LARGE, UH, EXISTING PAVED AREA. AND THE PROBLEM IS WITH OIL WATER SEPARATOR IS WE'RE NOT REALLY HAVE ANY DEDICATED WAY TO COLLECT THE WATER. THERE'S NO CATCH BASINS ON THIS PROPERTY. THIS IS A REAL ONE. LARGE PLATE OF ASPHALT WHICH HAS BEEN THERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. UH, I MEAN, IF WE PUSH CAME TO SHOVE, WE COULD ELIMINATE THE GRASS STREET AND PUT IN A A OIL WATER SEPARATOR. BUT YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T HAVE A, UH, OIL WATER SEPARATOR AND GRASS CREEK, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES FOR, FOR FOR COLLECTING STORMWATER. WHERE THE DRAINAGE IS. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S PUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT SEEMS TO TRENCH. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING ABOUT SOME TYPE OF SEPARATION. BECAUSE EVEN WHEN YOU PAVE IT, THE WATER STILL HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. NOW. THAT'S CORRECT. UM, WE WE HAVE A THERE'S A GRASS, A GRAVEL LINED TRENCH THAT SEPARATES 
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THIS PROPERTY WITITH THE UPS PROPERTY AND ALL THEIR PARKED CARS FROM UPS DRAIN TO THAT. AND WE KIND OF WE'RE TAKING A LOT LESS OF OUR DRAINAGE TO THAT LOCATION. SO THE DRIVER OF THIS SWALE THAT EXISTS IS ALL THOSE PARKED UPS TRUCKS. SO WHAT THEY DO, I'M SURE, AND I COULD PROBABLY FIND OUT, IS THEY PROBABLY INSPECT THE PARKING SPACES AT A PERIODIC BASIS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO DISCHARGE OF FLUIDS ONTO, ONTO THE PAVEMENT. UH, AND THE ONLY REASON WE WENT WITH THE GRASS CREED ON OUR PROJECT IS BECAUSE INFILTRATION IS THE BEST THING FOR US TO HANDLE OUR NEW WATER, RAINWATER WE'VE ADDED. SO IF WE CAN. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A PARKING AREA WHERE WE'RE COLLECTING THE WATER THROUGH INFILTRATION. AND IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER, UH, SITE PLAN WE, WE PUT TOGETHER, WE NORMALLY USE, UM, UH, INFILTRATORS. WE COLLECT THE WATER FROM THE PARKING LOT FOR, FOR PEDESTRIAN VEHICLES, UH, OR REGULAR VEHICLES ITSELF. AND THEN WE GO TO AN INFILTRATION AREA AND IT GOES INTO THE GROUND. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT TYPICAL DRAINAGE STRUCTURE AND WHAT WE PROPOSED HERE IS WE'RE MAKING THE PARKING SPACES THEMSELVES PERVIOUS. AND THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT NORMALLY TAKES PLACE. THE ONLY WAY, THE ONLY WAY I CAN THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE IS WE COULD PUT A SUMP IN THAT COLLECTS THE STORMWATER FROM THE PAVED AREA AND HAVE AN OIL HOOD INTO AN OIL HOOD IN IT, AND THEN THE OIL HOOD COULD JUST BASICALLY TRAP ANY FLUIDS BEFORE THEY'RE DISCHARGE. THAT EXISTING SWALE. 
          AND WE CAN WE CAN ADD THAT IF IT'S, IF IT'S NECESSARY. 
          IF YOU WOULD LOOK INTO THAT, I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I LIVE OVER THERE AND I KIND OF BIKE OVER THERE. OKAY. SO IT'S LIKE VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE THOUGH IS DO WE GET RID OF THE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT UNDER THE VEHICLES WE HAVE? BECAUSE NOW NOW WITH THE OIL HOOD, I CAN ONLY COLLECT THE NEW SIX PAVED SPACES, BUT THE SIX THAT ARE PERVIOUS. 
          YOU WOULDN'T COLLECT FROM. IT'S NOT COLLECTING THAT SYSTEM. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT. SYSTEM TYPE. OF SYSTEM. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. 
          BUT BUT WE WE WILL PROVIDE YOU A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THE GRASS CREED. IT COMES BY THE MANUFACTURERS WHO SAID, UH, SO WE'LL GIVE THAT TO, UH, ENGINEERING. AND JUST ADD AS AN ADJUNCT TO OUR SUBMISSION AND THE OTHER, OTHER SUPPLEMENTAL ITEM TO OUR TO OUR SUBMISSION IS WE'LL GET YOU THE SCREENING OPTIONS. YOU GUYS CAN PICK FROM, HAVE ONE LAST ASK. I WAS CURIOUS, DO WE REALLY NEED A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS TYPE OF OF APPLICATION BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WAIVE IT? NO. OKAY. I GAVE IT A SHOT. 
          ON ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION. JUST BECAUSE. 
          DO I. WE CUT ON THE BUFFERS. 
          PUBLIC HEARING. THE LANDSCAPE, THE LANDSCAPE. 
          RIGHT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. SO SO YEAH. SO THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD THAT'S REQUIRED FOR, UH, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER WAIVER REQUEST. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD. 
          SO THE TOWN BOARD SITE PLAN APPLICATION, WHICH THIS BOARD WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON. OKAY. VERY GOOD POINT. 
          THANK YOU MATT. RIGHT. SO FOR THE LAND, IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER WAIVER, THEN THE ANSWER IS YES OKAY. OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. MEANING THE BOARD THIS BOARD DOES NOT HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER WAIVERS, BUT THE TOWN BOARD WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE. I WANT. 
          TO CLARIFY. ON THE SECOND REASON TO HAVE A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING. YEAH, I KNOW HOW YOU'LL HAVE ENOUGH FUN THERE FOR FOR. FOR WHATEVER. 
          YOU. NEED. JUST TO ADD TO WHAT YOU INDICATED, WHICH THAT IS THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE THE GRASS CREEK MAINTENANCE. YES. UM, TO ENGINEERING IF YOU COULD ALSO COPY MATTHEW BRITTEN AND MYSELF SO THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS THAT, AND THAT YOU WOULD ALSO BE PROVIDING THE SCREENING OPTIONS. YES. IF IN ADDITION, YOU COULD LOOK INTO, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF A SUMP WITH THE OIL HOOD FOR THE SIX PAVED SPACES. THAT'S FINE. WE'LL DO THAT. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS APPLICATION? I WANTED ONE THING, CLARIFIED. MR. WEINBERG. 
          YOUR SLOPE CLEARANCE FORM. YES. 
          ON THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE SAID VARIANCE. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DESESCRIPTION OF PROPOSED ACTIONS IS THE VARIANCE FOR FENCE HEIGHT. YES. 
          UM, AND, AND AND THE TOWN'S LETTER THAT I'M LOOKING AT SAYS, YOU KNOW, NO VARIANCES. RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS CHANGED. SO THAT WAS CHANGED. 
          UNFORTUNATELY THAT WE FILED THAT A LONG TIME AGO. OKAY. TO UH, THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD. 
          UH, WHAT HAPPENED? IS IT APPEARED THROUGH, UM, ANALYSIS OF PERMITTED USES BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE 
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FENCE. OKAY. BECAUSE THIS TYPE IS A PRINCIPAL USE. SO WE WE WE ASKED FOR MORE THAN WE WE WERE GOING TO GO THAT ROUTE, BUT IT TURNED OUT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO IT. 
          OKAY. GOOD. 
          THANKS. OKAY. GREAT. 
          UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF VOTES TO CONSIDER THIS EVENING. UH, THE FIRST, UH, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ISSUE NO OBJECTION TO THE TOWN BOARD, UH, TO SERVE AS LEAD AGENCY FOR THE SECURITY REVIEW OF THIS PROJECT. SO. MOVE, MOVE. 
          MR. KLINGER. SECOND. SECOND, MISS ROBINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. CHAIR VOTES. I, UM, AND THEN I WILL. I, UH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, DO YOU HAVE A DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO DRAFT A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO CONSIDER AT THE NEXT MEETING? YES. I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT MYSELF. SO WHAT STAFF WILL DO FROM HERE IS TAKE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE. PREPARE THIS BOARD A DRAFT RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IT WOULD CONSIDER VOTING ON AT ITS NEXT MEETING NOVEMBER 4TH. 
          VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NICE EVENING. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU TO. 
          ALL RIGHT. UM, TO THE TO THE MAIN EVENT OF THIS EVENING. UM, WE HAVE. MR. SCOTT. GOOD THUMB DRIVE. 
          I'M JUST GONNA, UM. AND I GUESS BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THIS, IT'S NOW 836. DO WE? HOW DO WE FEEL? DO WE WANT TO OR DO WE WANT TO JUMP INTO THIS? OKAY, LET'S LET'S DO A FOUR MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL RECONVENE AT ALL RIGHT. WELCOME BACK TO THE, UH, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 21ST, 2026 PLANNING BOARD MEETING. IT IS 8:46 P.M.. UM, WE HAVE ONE ITEM REMAINING ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. UH, AS PART OF OUR OLD BUSINESS WORK SESSION. CASE NUMBER, TOWN BOARD 2504, THE COMPREHENSIVE. CHAPTER 25 AMENDMENTS, UH, WHICH IS ON REFERRAL FROM THE TOWN BOARD TO US, UH, FOR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE ZONING TEXT AND ZONING MAP AMENDMENTS. UM, TO JUST SORT OF GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OF HOW I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT WE PROCEED WITH WITH THIS SECTION. UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD DISCUSSED THE THE ZONING TEXT RECOMMENDATION AND THE ZONING MAP RECOMMENDATION. UM, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS. AND SO WE CAN REVIEW THAT DOCUMENT AND ENSURE THAT ALL OF THE FEEDBACK WAS INCORPORATED INTO IT. AND, UM, PERHAPS DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT OR COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE OR TOWN PLANNER BRITAIN CAN GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OF THE UPDATES THAT WERE MADE IN THE DOCUMENT. THEN WE WILL MOVE OVER TO THE FIRST NINE REPORTS THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. UH, AND SIMILARLY, JUST QUICKLY DISCUSS WHAT WAS UPDATED. UM, AND SORT OF JUST AFFIRM AMONGST OURSELVES THAT OUR FEEDBACK WAS INCORPORATED. UM, THEN WE'LL HAVE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OR SORRY, WE'LL HAVE COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE, UM, PRESENT THE THE THREE NEW REPORTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, UH, CANNABIS, UH, SELF STORAGE, ACCESSORY PARKING AND, UH, CHICKENS. UM, AND WE'LL DISCUSS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND IF WE FEEL WE ARE IN A POSITION, UM, HOPEFULLY WE'LL THEN FEEL THAT WE'LL BE IN A POSITION TO VOTE ON EVERYTHING THIS EVENING. UM, HOW DOES THAT ALL SOUND? GREAT, GREAT. UM, SO FIRST UP THERE, THERE WAS NO, UH, COMMENTS ON THE ZONING MAP RECOMMENDATION. SO ARE WE COMFORTABLE DISPENSING WITH THAT? YES. YES, YES. 
          OKAY. UM, SO MOVING ON TO THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS. UH, THERE WAS SUBSTANTIVE CONVERSATION AND AMENDMENTS OR EDITS MADE SINCE OUR LAST MEETING. UM, WHO WOULD BE IN THE BEST POSITION TO QUICKLY RUN THROUGHGH WHAT WAS UPDATED? SO I'M HAPPY TO JUMP IN ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE SORT OF A HIGHLIGHTED, UM, VERSION FOR MYSELF. UM, I'LL DIRECT YOU TO PAGE NUMBER TWO OF THIS IS THE CHAPTER 285 ZONING ORDINANCE REVISIONS. ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT, DRAFT DOCUMENT, UH, WITH THE OCTOBER 21ST DATE. SO PAGE NUMBER TWO UNDER SECTION BE GENERAL LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE ADDED SOME LANGUAUAGE TO NUMBER FIVE. UM, THE SECOND SENTENCE WHICH INDICATE AND THAT'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR LINES DOWN THE LINE 
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STARTING WITH INTO CHAPTER 240. WE JUST ADDED. SIMILARLY, THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT THE SIGNAGE REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TR DISTRICT BE INCLUDED IN THE CHAPTER 240 AMENDMENTS. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE PICKED UP AND ADDED TO THIS DRAFT. TURNING OVER TO PAGE THREE AS PART OF NUMBER SIX. SO AT THE TOP, UH, LINE DOWN, STARTING IN THE CONTEXT THAT THESE MAY BE OUTDATED SLASH ANTIQUATED TERMS, WE ADDED THE BOARD RECOMMEND SEARCHING THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE TERM CHURCH AND REPLACE SUCH REFERENCES WITH HOUSES OF WORSHIP. SO THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. UH, NUMBER SEVEN WAS ADDED. THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT PROVISIONS EXEMPTING CERTAIN EXISTING RESTAURANTS THROUGH GRANDFATHERING DO NOT IDENTIFY AN APPLICABLE DATE, WHICH SHOULD BE CLARIFIED. SO THAT WAS ADDED. UM. SIMILARLY, AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE THREE, NUMBER 16, WE ADDED LANGUAGE. THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED MODIFICATION TO SECTION 285-36F BE UPDATED TO REDUCE THE DURATION OF TIME THAT TEMPORARY STORAGE TRAILERS CAN BE PRESENT FROM 45 DAYS TO 30 DAYS, AND THAT REFERENCES TO DUMPSTER AND PORTA POTTY BE INCORPORATED INTO THE REGULATION. SO JUST TO KIND OF ELABORATE ON THAT A BIT FURTHER, THIS BOARD DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE WHEN THERE ARE, UM, DUMPSTERS OR PORTA POTTIES ASSOCIATED WITH A BUILDING PERMIT, WHEREBY THEIR DURATION ON THE SITE WILL CARRY THROUGH THE TERM OF THE BUILDING PERMIT, VERSUS IF SOMEBODY HAS A DUMPSTER IN THEIR DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING OUT OR CLEARING OUT, YOU KNOW, LARGE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL. IF SOMEONE PASSED AWAY, WHAT HAVE YOU, THEY'RE SELLING OFF THE PROPERTY. UM, THAT WOULD BE THE 30 DAY PERIOD. IN THAT CASE, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY NEED 30 DAYS TO CLEAR OUT THEIR SPRING CLEAN UP? WHY? THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION THAT TIME. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE 30 DAYS? I UNDERSTAND ON THE OTHER ITEMS, BUT. 
          SO THE BOARD, I THINK, DISCUSSED THIS, UH, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, AND I BELIEVE SOMEONE I CAN'T RECALL WHO BUT SAID, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WHEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A PASSING OR A SALE, I MEAN, THERE CAN REALLY BE A LOT OF MATERIAL AND IT CAN TAKE TIME. UM, WE ACTUALLY, MY FOLKS DON'T LIVE IN TOWN ANYMORE. THEY LIVE UPSTATE. BUT MY STEPFATATHER PASSED, AND JUST GOING THROUGH HIS STUFF, WE DIDN'T HAVE A DUMPSTER, BUT, UH, GOING THROUGH HIS STUFF TOOK A. 
          LOT OF TIME. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          WAS A TOSS. USUALLY YOU GO THROUGH ALL THE STUFF, PICK IT UP IN ONE SPOT, BRING A DUMPSTER AND THROW IT ALL OUT AND DONE. NO. SO SOME PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE. ADAMS. UM, WHERE NOTHING'S BEEN TOUCHED UP THERE FOREVER. AND THEN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING ALL THAT STUFF DOWN AND GOING THROUGH IT, IT DOES TAKE TIME. WE'D LIKE TO THINK THAT IT COULD BE DONE IN A WEEKEND, BUT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, MY RATIONALE WAS, YOU KNOW, MY MY EXPERIENCE, UH, RENTING DUMPSTERS THE FEW TIMES I HAVE IS THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE RENTED ON A MONTH BY MONTH BASIS. AND SO 30 DAYS WOULD CORRESPOND WITH, WITH ONE MONTH OF RENTAL. UM, AND IF SOMEONE WAS RENTING FOR MULTIPLE MONTHS, UH, AND TYPICALLY THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH A PROJECT, THEN THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONNECTED TO A BUILDING PERMIT. BECAUSE SOMETIMES EVEN IF THE THE USER NEEDED, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY UTILIZED IT FOR A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME, UM, SOMETIMES IT COULD BE D DIFFICU TO GET THE, THE DUMPSTER RENTER TO ACTUALLY PICK IT BACK UP. 
          AND WE WOULDN'T WANT TO PENALIZE THE RESIDENT FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SLOWNESS OF, OF THE COMPANY THAT'S RENTING THEM THE DUMPSTER.. IT MAKES SENSE. OKAY. 
          LIKE A SERIAL THING OR LIKE TWO WEEKS LATER, THEY'RE DOING ANOTHER DUMPSTER. MICROPHONE, PLEASE. 
          YEAH. SO SO MY MY MY RECOLLECTION FROM WHAT 285 SAYS IS THAT I THINK IT CAN ONLY BE DONE TWICE WITHIN TWO YEARS. IS THAT IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK IT WAS WITHIN A YEAR. 
          WITHIN. YEAH. THERE WAS A RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT YOU COULD DO IT SEQUENTIALLY. 
          OKAY. RIGHT. SO WE'RE JUST GONNA. 
          ULTIMATELY THERE'S GONNA. BE A VOTE. SO I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU HEAR WHAT THE OTHERS ARE SAYING OR, YOU KNOW. I HEAR. 
          I HEAR IT THEIR WAY AND I HEAR MY WAY AS WELL. 
          FOR SURE. WHICH IS COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDABLE. UM, OKAY. SO MOVING OVER TO PAGE FOUR. SO WE ADDED WE ADDED THIS PAGE AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE A LITTLE BIT MORE 
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BECAUSE THEY RELATE TO THE THREE ITEMS THAT WERE SPECIFICALLY, UH, DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. BUT NUMBER 17 RELATES, UH, WHERE WE ADDED LANGUAGE. THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT FULLY ENCLOSED FREESTANDING ICE CREAM STANDS. 
          PRESENTLY, A PLANNING BOARD, SPECIAL, UH, PERMIT USE REQUIRING 35 OFF STREET. YEAH. 
          35 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES. THE LANGUAGE. 
          IT'S REQUIRING ONE. YEAH. 35 SQUARE SQUARE FEET. 
          IT'S. YEAH. ONE. AND IF YOU LOOK ONE. 
          OFF STREET. OKAY. SORRY. SO THAT'S A TYPO PER 1000. 
          AND BEFORE YOU GET. TOO FAR PER 35 KAREN. 
          YEAH. IF YOU LOOK ON THE ON THIS MEMO AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A PAGE, THAT LANGUAGE IS DOWN. THAT'S IN THE REPORT. WHICH. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. SO THAT THAT SHOULD JUST COCONFORM WITH WHAT'S. ABSOLUTELY THAT TYPE OF. 
          SO JUST CONFIRMING THERE'S A REASON TO KEEP IT SEPARATE AND APART FROM INCIDENTAL DINING BECAUSE OF. 
          BECAUSE THE PARKING. REQUIRED BECAUSE THE PARKING LOT. SO BUT BEFORE YOU GET TOO FAR INTO THAT, THE COMMENT ABOUT DUMPSTERS WAS THAT ALSO TIED WITH THE GENERATORS OR IS IT SEPARATE AND. 
          APART? THEY DID HAVE A COMMENT FOR THE GENERATORS. IF YOU DID, THAT WAS IN THIS DOCUMENT. NOT THE SAME. OKAY. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. 
          RECOMMENDATION. SO LET ME READ IT. THE MORE APPROPRIATE WAY, ALTHOUGH WE'LL CONFORM IT WITH THE LANGUAGE IN THE DRAFT REPORT. UH, PRERESENTLY A PLANNING BOARD SPECIAL USE PERMIT REQUIRING ONE OFF STREET PARKING SPACE PER 35FT  OF FLOOR AREA ON LOTS IN EXCESS OF 20,000FT . ALSO BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THE SAME TRAFFIC SLASH SECURITY SLASH TRASH DISPOSAL BASED REQUIREMENTS PROPOSED FOR DRIVE THRU RESTAURANTS. UM, I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO READ THROUGH 18, 19 AND 20 BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION, BUT BASED ON THE DISCUSSION FROM LAST MEETING, STAFF PREPARED THESE DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION. SO JUST QUICKLY, 18 RELATES TO THE KEEPING OF CHICKENS. AND BASED ON THE DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, WE FORMULATED THIS DRAFT LANGUAGE, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO DISCUSSION TONIGHT. AND POTENTIAL MODIFICATION 19 RELATES TO, UM, THE LIMITED USE OF EXISTING EXCESS SURFACE PARKING FOR ACCESSORY PARKING, UH, ASSOCICIATED WITH UM OR AT EXISTING SELF STORAGE USE SITES. 
          JUST A COMMENT ABOUT 19 REALLY QUICK. UM, 1234567 UP. THERE'S JUST A TYPO. IT SHOULD BE AS AN EXAMPLE. 
          YES, I HAVE THAT. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. AND THEN, UH, NUMBER 20 RELATES TO UH, THE RECREATIONAL RECREATIONAL ADULT CANNABIS DISPENSARIES ALSO DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          SO WE'LL KIND OF LEAVE THOSE MOVING ALONG, NOTHING ELSE ON PAGE FIVE, GOING TO PAGE SIX. AT THE BOTTOM UNDER E ORGANIZATIONAL GRAMMATICAL CONSISTENCY RECOMMENDATIONS. UM WE ADDED LANGUAGE NUMBER ONE. THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS AMENDING THE TOWN CODE TO IMPROVE PUBLIC AWARENESS OF LAND USE APPLICATIONS AND ENCOURAGE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AT THE EARLIEST STAGES OF THE REVIEW PROCESS, SPECIFICALLY, THE BOARD RECOMMENDS ESTABLISHING UNIFORM NOTICE REQUIREMENTS ACROSS ALL LAND USE BOARDS, INCLUDING A CONSISTENT NOTICING DISTANCE AND REQUIRING NOTICE FOR BOTH WORK SESSIONS AND PUBLIC HEARINGS INVOLVING SITE PLAN, SUBDIVISION SPECIAL USE PERMIT, STEEP SLOPE PERMIT, AND WETLAND WATERCOURSE PERMIT APPLICATIONS. 
          YEAH. AND I THINK THE HEADLINE, THE HEADLINE FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE HAD BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH INTERNALLY WITH STAFF ABOUT WHETHER IT WOULD IT MADE MORE SENSE TO HAVE THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS LIVE WITHIN 285, OR TO HAVE THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS LIVE AS A SEPARATE CHAPTER. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE THE CONSENSUS AMONG STAFF IS NOW THAT IT'LL BE ITS OWN CHAPTER. AND SO ALL OF THE NOTICING LANGUAGE IN 285, UM, AS WELL AS ALL OF THE NOTICING, UH, UH, REQUIREMENTS WITHIN, I GUESS, THE. STEEP SLOPES, STEEP SLOPE, LAND. AND. WATERCOURSE PREAMBLE WILL ALSO. GET SOME. 
          SUBDIVISION WILL ALSO GET STRIPPED OUT OF THOSE CHAPTERS AND WILL BE PUT INTO A NEW DEDICATED NOTICING CHAPTER. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THAT THAT DRAFT CHAPTER IS BEING WORKED ON OR ALREADY. HAS BEEN. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. SO THERE IS A DRAFT CHAPTER, UM, SIMILAR TO THE SIGN CHAPTER, AND THERE MIGHT EVEN BE ONE OTHER ONE THAT WILL RUN PARALLEL WITH THE TOWN BOARD, SO THAT WHEN THE 
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ZONING CODE IS FINALLY ADOPTED, THAT WILL OCCUR AT THE SAME TIME. OTHERWISE, THERE'LL BE INCONSISTENCIES WITH THE ZONING CODE REQUIRING REMOVALS. UM, WHILE THOSE ADOPTIONS OCCUR. 
          RIGHT. IF, AS AN EXAMPLE, 285 WAS AHEAD OF CHAPTER 240, WHICH IS THE SIGN REGULATIONS, AND WE STRIP, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SIGN REGULATIONS OUT OF 285. BUT CHAPTER 240 IS NOT UPDATED AT THE SAME TIME. YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE A LAG, AN ISSUE WITH THAT. SO WE'RE COGNIZANT OF OF THAT FACT. UM, SO THAT WAS THERE. AND THEN LASTLY ON PAGE EIGHT. UNDER LONGER TERM SLASH SEPARATE RECOMMENDATIONS, NUMBER THREE, UH, WE ADDED LANGUAGE. THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT CONSIDERATION BE GIVING GIVEN TO UPDATING. CHAPTER 248 STORMWATER IN AN EFFORT TO ACCOUNT FOR STORMS THAT ARE MORE INTENSE THAN THE 25 YEAR STORM, OR TO BETTER ACCOUNT FOR OR MITIGATE SHORT BURSTS OF RAINFALLS IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. UM, SO, DID EVERYONE GET A CHANCE TO TO READ? UM, THE DRAFT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT RECOMMENDATION? UM, AND DOES EVERYONE FEEL THAT THE COMMENTS AND DISCUSSION FROM OUR LAST MEETING ARE INCORPORATED, OR DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR OR FEEDBACK ON THE RECOMMENDATION? CAN WE GO THROUGH THIS LIKE PAGE BY PAGE.? I MEAN. I MEAN, WE JUST WENT THROUGH IT WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS ADDED. SO WE DID DO THAT AT THE LAST MEETING. WE WENT SECTION BY SECTION AND WE HAD DISCUSSED EDITS. AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WAS JUST SUMMARIZED. SO I, I PERSONALLY DON'T FEEL A NEED TO GO THROUGH SECTION BY SECTION AGAIN SINCE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DID AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THOSE THINGS AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 18, 19 AND 20 RIGHT NOW. WELL THAT THAT NO THAT'S GOING TO BE SEPARATE. I'M LOOKING AT. 
          WELL I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS. UH, FOR INSTANCE, ON PAGE THREE, NUMBER 11, THE ENGINEER IS GOING TO BE INVOLVED WITH EXISTING SIDEWALKS. YEAH. SO SO WE HAD DISCUSSED THIS IN LENGTH, BUT WHAT. BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WHAT EXISTS. WHY WOULD HE BE LOOKING AT EXISTING RATHER THAN THE NEED FOR NEW SIDEWALKS ON, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS? THE EXISTING ONES ARE THERE. 
          RIGHT. SO NEW SIDEWALKS ARE GENERALLY CONSIDERED BY GARRETT AS THE COMMISSIONER OF PLANNING WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANALYSIS AND JUST EVALUATING WHAT SIDEWALKS EXIST AND WHERE THERE'S A NEED FOR THEM TO CREATE CONNECTIVITY. UM, AND BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. GENERALLY. BUREAU OF ENGINEERING ADDRESSES EXISTING SIDEWALKS FOR MAINTENANCE, REPAIR. RATHER THAN DIRECTING. WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO SAY REVIEW AUTHORITY FOR EXISTING SIDEWALKS? SO, COMMISSIONER DO. 
          CAME HERE. HI EVERYRYONE. GOOD EVENING. 
          YOU KANE HERE. SO THE THE THIS VERY SPECIFIC CONTEXT TO THAT QUESTION PERTAINS TO THE CA DISTRICT AND A NEW REQUIREMENT THAT FOR MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT THAT AT A MINIMUM, THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS BE PRESENT ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF A SITE. THAT PARTICULAR SECTION REFERENCES, UM THE REVIEW AUTHORITY TO ENSURE THAT THE EXISTING SIDEWALKS ARE ADA COMPLIANT. SO, UMM. GOING TO TH ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION, I'M JUST GOING TO PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK. THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDS THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ESTABLISHING THE DPW COMMISSIONER AS THE REVIEW AUTHORITY FOR EXISTING SIDEWALKS IN RELATION TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS, BE UPDATED TO THE TOWN ENGINEER. SO THAT'S SIMPLY A REQUEST FROM THE PLANNING BOARD FOR 285 TO BE ALTERED TO, SAY, TOWN ENGINEER, AS OPPOSED TO DPW COMMISSIONER FOR THAT VERY SPECIFIC PROVISION THAT HAS THE DPW COMMISSIONER, STATE, WHETHER SIDEWALKS OR EXISTING SIDEWALKS ARE ADEQUATE OR NOT. YEAH. AND IF YOU RECALL FROM OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THE REASON FOR THAT WAS, UM, ONE OF OUR OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS IS FOR THE TOWN ENGINEER, UM, TO, TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS. AND SO IF THESE SIDEWALKS ARE RELATED TO PROJECTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US, IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE PERSON WHO IS WHO IS HERE WITH US TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION INSTEAD OF THE DPW COMMISSIONER WHO RARELY, IF EVER WOULD WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO ATTEND THIS MEETING. SO IS THIS FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS, OR IS IT JUST FOR 
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THE ONE YOU SPECIFIED? THE PROVISION THAT EXISTING SIDEWALKS BE PRESENT FOR NEW MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS IS IN THE K DISTRICT AND THE TR DISTRICT? SHOULD THIS SHOULD THAT BE SPECIFIC HERE OR. YEAH. SO SO THE RECOMMENDATION SAYS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. 
          WELL IS MULTIFAMILY IN OTHER DISTRICTS THAN THE ONES YOU MENTIONED? GARRETT. MULTIFAMILY YOU KNOW OF COURSE IS A PERMITTED USE IN SEVERAL OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS. BUT THE PROVISION, UH, IS SPECIFIC TO THE TO THE K DISTRICT AND THE TR DISTRICT. SO UNLESS. 
          THE QUESTION IS SHOULD THAT PROVISION EXTEND TO. 
          NO, NO. IF IT IF IT ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE TWO DISTRICTS, THIS THEY SHOULD SAY THOSE TWO DISTRICTS RIGHT NOW IT'S A GENERAL THING FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS EVERYWHERE. 
          OKAY. YEAH. NO THAT MAKES SENSE. WE CAN HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION BE MORE SPECIFIC TO IDENTIFY SPECIFICALLY THE CENTRAL AVENUE AS WELL AS THE TR DISTRICT. 
          OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. SO I GUESS BEFORE WE GET. 
          TO TOO FAR DOWN THIS ROAD, UM, DOES THE BOARD WANT TO GO THROUGH SECTION BY SECTION AGAIN? BECAUSE I HAD THOUGHT THAT WAS THE POINT OF WHAT WE DID AT THE LAST MEETING. BUT I GUESS IF THERERE ARE NEW COMMEN ON NEW SECTIONS. 
          I'M REALLY NOT INCLINED TO GO THROUGH IT LINE BY LINE AGAIN, SINCE WE WORKED LATE LAST MEETING. PERHAPS IF ED CAN SUBMIT, UH, QUESTIONS IN WRITING TO A FOLLOW. 
          IF YOU DON'T WANT IT. LOOK, I'LL NOT MAKE ANY COMMENTS. 
          I GUESS. HOW MANY, HOW MANY ITEMS? SOME. THERE'S CERTAIN QUESTIONS IN CLARIFICATIONS. NOT IT'S NOT THAT TIME CONSUMING AND OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S LET'S TRY TO LET'S LET'S KEEP GOING THEN. SO ON 13 ON PAGE THREE. PAGE THREE. WHAT BOTHERED ME WHEN THE TERM ON THE LAST NEXT LINE IS SMALL ANIMAL HOSPITALS. I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ANIMAL HOSPITALS THAT CARE EXCLUSIVELY FOR SMALL ANIMALS. UH, I BELIEVE AND, COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN JUMP IN, BUT I BELIEVE OUR ZONING ORDINANCE HAS A DEFINITION FOR SMALL ANIMAL HUNTS. 
          THEY DO. SO SHOULD THAT BE CAPITAL S CAPITAL A? CAPITAL H. 
          WELL, BUT. JUSTST AS A DEFINED. 
          TERM ANIMAL, DOES THAT MEAN THE ANIMAL HOSPITAL IS SMALL? THE BUILDING. OR I WOULD HAVE TO REFER TO THE DEFINITION. SO SMALL ANIMAL IS A CATEGORY FOR VETERINARY SERVICES. IT'S FOR A DOG A CAT, RABBIT LARGE ANIMAL IS DEFINED AS HORSE. YOU KNOW OTHER TYPES OF ANIMALS. 
          THAT'S THAT'S A VETERINARY PRACTICE THING. 
          BUT I GUESS TO. TO RELATES TO THE ANIMAL, NOT THE SIZE. OF THE. 
          HOSPITAL, THAT'S WHAT. CONFUSED. 
          YEAH. IF IT'S A DEFINED TERM, THEN LET'S CAPITALIZE IT IN THE RECOMMENDATION. I THINK THAT'LL CLARIFY IT. 
          OKAY. 114 UM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS IN CONNECTION WITH, UH, GROUP HOMES THAT THERE SHOULD THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE TOWN BOARD, YOU KNOW, PETITIONED THE STATE FOR GEOGRAPHIC AND COMMUNITY EQUITY, YOU KNOW, EQUITABLY BECAUSE WE SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GOING TO CITE, YOU KNOW, A NEW GROUP HOME. I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE GROUP HOMES DURING THESE MEETINGS. 
          NO, MAYBE. MAYBE N NOT. BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD THAT THE CHAPTER 285 HAS SOME EXISTING PROVISIONS WHICH, UH, ARE NOT ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. SO, FOR INSTANCE, REFERRING A SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATION TO A PLANNING BOARD AND A MANDATORY PUBLIC HEARING, THERE'S NO WAY THAT ALL THAT COULD OCCUR WITHIN, I BELIEVE, THE 45 DAY WINDOW THAT NEW YORK STATE SAYS MUNICIPALITIES HAVE TO GIVE A RECOMMENDATION. UM, AND AT THAT, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT NEW YORK STATE GIVES AUTHORITY FOR SPECIAL PERMIT PERIODS. SO WE KEPT 14, UH, RATHER BROAD. AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF IS, IS TO ESSENTIALLY DO WHAT 14 SAYS, WHICH IS BRING 25 MORE INTO ALIGNMENT WITH THE REALITY OF NEW YORK STATE. THE WAY THE MANNER IN WHICH NEW YORK STATE REGULATES AGENCY GROUP HOMES. AND IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT AS FAR AS AND I. 
          AND THAT I UNDERSTAND. BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN OTHER PROVISIONS WHERE WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT THE TOWN PETITION THE STATE TO, YOU KNOW, TO BROADEN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARD TO CANNABIS. AND ALL I 'M SAYING HERE IS WHA HERE IS FINE. BUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAD WITH THE AGENCY GROUPS IS THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING, PUTTING THESE HOMES 
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IN, YOU KNOW, IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE GETTING MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE. HOWEVER, YOU WANTED TO FIND THAT. SO THE INTENTION OF THE STATE STATUTE IS TO PREVENT NIMBY TYPE OF PREVENTION OF THESE TYPES OF USES. THAT'S WHY THE STATE STATUTE WAS ADOPTED, WAS TO SO THAT GENERAL COMMUNITY OPPOSITION COULDN'T PREVENT THESE TYPES OF USES. SIMILAR TO UM, WHEN YOU'VE SEEN SCHOOLS AND RELIGIOUS USES BEING PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES AS WELL. IT'S, I GUESS, A COMPARISON, YOU COULD SAY. UM, SO THE POINT THAT GARRETT AND MYSELF AND OTHERS BROUGHT UP IS THE FACT THAT OUR CODE IS OUTDATED IN THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA FOR THESE, BASED UPON THE STATE STATUTE, IS REALLY WHAT IT IS. 
          YEAH. AND REALLY, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE TO THE, TO THE RECORD, BUT I, I DON'T RECALL HAVING ANY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AT, AT ANY OF ANY OF OUR MEETINGS. UM, AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION IS, IS MEANT TO SUMMARIZE THE DECISIONS THAT AND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THIS BOARD HAS HAD OVER THE PAST, HOW MANY MONTHS NOW FOR FIVE. 
          OR SIX MONTHS? UM, I THINK THAT THAT IS A NEW CONCEPT ENTIRELY TO BE INTRODUCING INTO INTO THIS DISCUSSION. 
          THE ONLY THING I DO RECALL NOW, I'VE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS WITH MEMBERS AS PART OF THE OPEN MEETINGS THAT THE COMMISSIONER WAS HOLDING FOR MEMBERS TO COME IN AND DISCUSS VARIOUS THINGS. 
          I DO RECALL THERE BEING DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT, AND IT WAS PRETTY SIMPLE AND BRIEF, WAS THAT, UM, A SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY TO BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE 30 DAY PERIOD. AND THAT'S WHY IT'S, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT OR IT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT THE CHAPTER 285 BE UPDATED ACCORDINGLY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S PART THAT'S ONE PART OF IT. ANOTHER PART OF IT IS THE FACT THAT THESE USES, PER THE STATE STATUTE, ARE TO BE TREATED AS A SINGLE FAMILY USE. OKAY. SO THE STATE STATUTE SAYS TO TREREAT THEM AS A SINGLE FAMILY USE, WHICH IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, THERE'S NO SPECIAL PERMIT ATTACHED TO THAT. SO THAT'S A THAT'S ANOTHER. SUBJECT THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN IF WE IF WE WANT TO CONDUCT A QUICK STRAW POLL TO SEE IF WE FEEL WE NEED TO MODIFY THIS RECOMMENDATION, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. SO WE'RE GOING. TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ALIGN WITH THE STATE PROCESS, WHICH WE KNOW DOESN'T REALLY WORK. I'M SORRY. 
          WHAT. THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO ALIGN CHAPTER 285 WITH THE STATE LAW, WHICH ISN'T REALLY A REALISTIC LAW. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING. 
          WELL, THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR OPINION, WHICH. 
          IS WHY I'VE HEARD THE TOWN SAY WE CAN'T DO THIS IN 40 DAYS AND IT'S 40 DAYS. IT'S NOT EVEN BUSINESS DAYS. 
          NO. ON OUR CURRENT. THAT'S BASED UPON OUR CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT, WHICH I JUST ELABORATED ON. THE FACT THAT OTHER THAN THAT TIME FRAME, THE STATE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT YOU TREAT IT AS A SINGLE FAMILY, SO YOU CANNOT HAVE A SPECIAL PERMIT REQUIREMENT FOR IT. 
          BUT THIS IS BASICALLY SAYING YES OR NO. YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ESTABLISH THE THE FACILITY IN THAT LOCATION. 
          YES, THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S THE STATE STATUTE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN HAS I THINK THEY'RE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THIS. THE TOWN SAYS THAT'S JUST UNREALISTIC. 
          SO I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. UM, SOMETHING UM, CAME OUT THE OTHER DAY OR ABOUT, UM, THE, THE TOWN CODE HAVING A 40 DAY LIMIT. SO NOW WE WANT THE 285 TO ALIGN WITH NEW YORK STATE TO MAKE THE TIMELINE MORE REALISTIC. 
          IS THAT TRUE? DOES THE TOWN CODE HAVE THE 40 DAYS? SO IT'S THE STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES THE 40, THE. 
          40. THE TOWN HAS ALMOST, YOU KNOW, UNLIMITED TIME. AND IT TALKS ABOUT THIS VERY ELABORATE PROCESS THAT IS JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT FEASIBLE. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IN ITSELF NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED, WHICH THIS, THIS RECOMMENDATION, UH, COMPELS US TO DO THAT. WELL, THIS WILL WORK OUT THE WAY I'M READING THIS. THIS SAYS WE'RE GOING TO ALIGN WITH THE STATE LAW. SO UNLESS THE LAW CHANGES IN A WAY THAT THE TOWN WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH, WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BUYING INTO THE EXISTING LAW, WHICH WE SAY ISN'T FEASIBLE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE TOWN COULD MORE SPECIFICALLY DEFINE, UM, DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, OR AT LEAST LOOK INTO IT. BUT, UM, I THINK AT A MINIMUM, THE, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR A REFERRAL TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND A PUBLIC HEARING AND NOTICING TO THE PUBLIC IS JUST NOT ACHIEVABLE WITHIN THE NEW YORK STATE TIMEFRAME. LAVISH THE ESTABLISHED TIME FRAME. SO, UM, WE KNOW WE NEED TO MAKE UPDATES IN THAT REGARD. 
          YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A DISCONNECT HERE. IT'S TALKING 
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ABOUT. AARON MICROPHONE. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCONNECT HERE. IT'S INDICATING THE PLANNING BOARD SUPPORTS UPDATING OR AMENDING OUR EXISTING CHAPTER TO 85 TO MODIFY ALL REFERENCES TO AGENCY GROUP HOMES TO BECOME ALIGNED WITH THE NEW YORK STATE PROCESS ASSOCIATED WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT ROLES. THE E EXISTIN PROCESS REQUIRES THE TOWN TO MAKE ONE OF 3 OR 4 DECISIONS WITHIN THAT 40 DAY PERIOD, WHICH, THE WAY OUR CHAPTER 285 IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THAT 40 DAY PERIOD. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS UPDATE OUR CODE SO THAT WE CAN COMPLY WITH THAT 40 DAY. IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THE NEW YORK STATE CODE OR LAW IS IS NOT WORKING. DO YOU THINK SAYING THAT. DOES ANYONE HERE THINK WE CAN COMPLY? BECAUSE EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD FROM THE TOWN, LISTENING TO TOWN BOARD MEETINGS, WE CAN'T COMPLY WITHIN 40 DAYS. 
          AND THAT'S WHY. I SAY THE CURRENT CODE IS WRITTEN. THAT'S WHY THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO UPDATE OUR CODE SO THAT WE CAN COMPLY. BUT PHYSICALLY, LOGISTICALLY WE WE ARE NOT CAPABLE OF DOING COMING TO THAT DECISION IN 40 DAYS, YES OR NO. BUT THAT'S SEPARATE AND APART FROM UPDATING OUR ZONING CODE. OUR ZONING CODE IS OUTDATED IN THE SENSE THAT IT STILL REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, WHICH IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE STATE STATUTE, WHICH SAYS YOU HAVE 40 DAYS TO CONSIDER SITING, WHICH IS STATE STATUTE. SO OUR CODE IS OUTDATED. 
          I'M NOT DEALING WITH THE OUTDATED CODE. 
          BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE. DEALING WITH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A RECOMMENDATION TO ALIGN WITH THE STATE, WHICH HAS A 40 DAY PERIOD. NO NO NO NO NO. 
          THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT WHAT'S HAPPENING? OUR ZONING CODE IS OUTDATED AS FAR AS REQUIRING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A GROUP HOME. WE CANNOT DO THAT ANYMORE. AND NOR HAVE WE BEEN DOING THAT. SO WE NEED TO UPDATE THE ZONING CODE SO THAT IT REFLECTS CURRENT STATE STATUTE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH DO NOT ALLOW FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT BY THE TOWN. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH US MAKING A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE STATE STATUTE. IT HAS TO DO WITH US ELIMINATING THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT CRITERIA. AND DO YOU DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE TOWN COULD COMPLY IN 40 DAYS? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. SO YES, YES. SO WE'RE ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE ALIGNING WITH THE STATE LAW, WHICH IS NOT REALLY FEASIBLE. 
          NO, NO, NO. THAT IS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. 
          YOU'RE MIXING APPLES AND ORANGES ARE WHAT'S BEFORE US IS THE TOWN'S ZONING CODE. AND THE SPECIFIC PROVISION REGARDING GROUP HOMES, WHICH WERE CURRENTLY REQUIRES A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, WHICH WE NEED TO ELIMINATE. RIGHT. 
          YEAH. AND AND FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I DO THINK IF THE TOWN HAD A FULL 40 DAYS TO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS, I THINK, UM, I THINK THE TOWN COULD REVIEW THOSE APPLICATIONS. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE INCIDENT RECENTLY WAS THAT SOME TIME WAS LOST FOR FOR REASONS THAT I WON'T GET INTO, UM, AND, AND ULTIMATELY THE TOWN WAS, WAS IN A POSITION WHERE IT HAD TO DECIDE CLOSER TO 14 DAYS. AND THAT, I THINK IS A TIMELINE THAT THAT IS UNREASONABLE. BUT THE STATE LAW IS WRITTEN 40 DAYS. I DO THINK THEY COULD MAKE ONE OF THOSE THREE DETERMINATIONS IN 40 DAYS. I'M NOT SURE THAT SOME PEOPLE ON THE TOWN BOARD AGREE WITH THAT, BUT OKAY, I'LL PASS ON IT. 
          . AND ULTIMATELY, THESE ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE TOWN BOARD. AND SO IF THE TOWN BOARD ALREADY HAS, UM, THEIR OWN POSITIONS, THEN THEY ARE FREE TO, TO, YOU KNOW,W, THEY ARE NO REQUIRED TO JUST MAKE THE CHANGES BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY CAN MAKE THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN, UH, UPDATES AND EDITS ON, ON THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE. UM, AND PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, PAGE FIVE, PARAGRAPH C1. WOULD IT BE AND THIS ON A DIRECT TO AMANDA, WOULD IT BE LEGAL. TO RETROACTIVELY, YOU KNOW, RESET THE TIME PERIOD FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSE FROM 15 TO 99 YEARS? I MEAN. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? IT'S C1. UM, AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COMMENT TO RESET THE, UH, PERIOD FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR REMAINING AFFORDABLE FOR 99 YEARS. I MEAN, IS THAT WERE YOU ASKING THE TOWN TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT LEGAL? I MEAN, TO JUST CHANGE A CONTRACT. 
          SO WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS IN COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY WHO ADMINISTERS OVERSIGHT OF THESE UNITS. UM, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION. SO IT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER IN CONJUNCTION WITH DISCUSSING WITH THE COUNTY WHO PROVIDES THE OVERSIGHT. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S NEW, RIGHT? SO WE'RE COMING UP ON THAT TIME FRAME. AND, UM, IT'S JUST 
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SOMETHING TO EVALUATE. RIGHT. AND THE RECOMMENDATION, AS, YOU KNOW, AS LAID OUT, IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD FURTHER RECOMMENDS REVIEWING WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO IN TERMS OF LENGTH OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. UM, POTENTIALLY RESETTING THE 99 YEAR TERM. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS BASICALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, STAFF DO MORE RESEARCH INTO THIS AND THEN REPORT BACK TO THE TOWN BOARD AND EVEN BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD ON WHAT WE HAVE FOUND. 
          YEAH. GARRETT. I BELIEVE THE APPLICABILITY WOULD BE FOR ALL THE NEW, UM, PROPOSED UNITS, WHEREAS ED WAS ASKING, WOULD THIS PROVISION APPLY TO EXISTING STATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS IN YEAR 20 OF A 50 YEAR PLANNING BOARD OR TOWN BOARD CONDITION? SO, UH, I MEAN, MY ANSWER, I I KNOW IT WAS DIRECTED TO AMEND ILLEGALLY, BUT IT WOULD ONLY BE IF THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNER VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO, UH, RESET OR EXTEND IT BEYOND WHAT WAS ALREADY MANDATED BY THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE TOWN BOARD. BUT MAYBE THEY WOULD. 
          UM, SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT THE WAY THIS WOULD FUNCTION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY TO THOSE THAT ARE CONSTRUCTED, APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED NEWLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. RIGHT. I AGREE, WOULD GO WE GOING FORWARD. WE WE CONSULTED I'M NOT HERE IN MY CAPACITY AS AN ATTORNEY. SO THAT'S MY DISCLAIMER. YOU CAN'T MAKE A RETROACTIVE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AFFECTING, UH, AN OWNER'S PROPERTY. RIGHT? RIGHT. IT COULD BE EFFECTIVELY A TAKING POTENTIALLY SO. BUT GOING FORWARD, YOU COULD. 
          APPLY. A YEAR.. 
          SO WE CAN CLARIFY THIS SECTION TO TO. 
          OKAY. CLARIFY THAT, UH, A LITTLE NIT ON THE TOP OF PAGE SIX, THE FIRST, THE SECOND LINE, I THINK THE WORD ON SHOULD BE DELETED. IT SHOULD BE THAT AND CONSIDERATION. IF A OKAY GROUP. AND B CONSIDERATION. 
          UH. WE A NUMBER OF US ATTENDED A BEST CONFERENCE AT THE COUNTY CENTER THIS WEEK. AND THIS NUMBER FOUR ON DAY. AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS, UH, PUTTING IN A REQUIREMENT WITH SECURITY FOR DECOMMISSIONING. THESE BEST, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, HAZARDOUS. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD IDEA TO RAISE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TOWN TO BE AWARE. 
          OF THAT. DECOMMISSIONING PROVISIONS ARE ALREADY LAID OUT WITHIN THE EXISTING BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM, LOCAL LAW. THAT'S ON THE BOOKS WITH THE TOWN. SO THAT'S WHY. WITH SECURITY. 
          YES, YES YES. YES YES. TAKE IT UP FRONT. YES. IS THAT IN 285. 
          YES. 285, 37.1 OR 2. POINT. 
          THANK YOU. AND ON FIVE IN THAT PARAGRAPH ARE THE GENERATORS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PERMANENT GENERATORS OR PORTABLE GENERATORS OR BOTH? BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD BE TESTING, YOU KNOW, LIKE PORTABLE GENERATORS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. 
          YEAH. I THINK IT'S PERMANENT GENERATORS. 
          AND AND I DON'T. KNOW, THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING TO INSTALL A PERMANENT GENERATOR, REQUIRES A PERMIT. IT WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT. AND THEREFORE, THE TESTING OF SUCH. 
          RIGHT. SO FOR SEGUE TO THAT, I DID HAVE A COMMENT FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT I WANTED TO RELAY. THEY WANTED TO KNOW THAT THE GENERATORS ARE OPERATIONAL 24 HOURS A DAY, POTENTIALLY. 
          UM, THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEVERELY LIMIT THEIR TESTING CAPACITY. COMPATIBLE. UH, CAPABILITIES OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS. I THINK YOU SHOULD RAISE A CONCERN ABOUT DAYLIGHT. UM, THEY JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY DO INSPECTIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMETIMES WITH DAYLIGHT, UH, THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY AN ISSUE. SO PERHAPS WE COULD COORDINATE DISCUSSION WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO SEE WHEN INSPECTIONS ARE APPROPRIATE. SEE, I THOUGHT THIS RELATED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MY REAR NEIGHBOR HAS THEY THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, START UP THEIR, YOU KNOW, PERMANENTNT GENERATOR ONC A WEEK. IT'S A TEST. 
          YEAH. SO IT'S NOT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S AUTOMATICALLY PROGRAMMED IN AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A JET ENGINE. NO. THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP WAS BECAUSE. IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY TIME FRAME ON IT. SO I SAID. WELL, IT'S A DAYLIGHT HOURS, RIGHT? NO, THAT WAS SUGGESTED. YEAH. 
          YEAH. NOT OCCUR ON SUNDAYS OR HOLIDAYS. AND BE TAKE PLACE NOT ON THE OVERNIGHT. YEAH I WAS JUST CLARIFY. 
          YEAH OKAY. OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. 
          YOU SHOULD SHOULDN'T IT BE SATURDAY TO. 
          WELL, OUR NOISE O ORDINANCE. YEAH. 
          DOESN'T PERMIT, UM, YOU KNOW ACTIVITIES ON, ON SATURDAYS. 
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ALL RIGHT. THAT GENERATE NOISE LIKE CONSTRUCTION. 
          OKAY. BUT NOT ON SUNDAYS OR HOLIDAYS OR EVENING. WHERE ARE YOU? AND ON PAGE SEVEN, PARAGRAPH FOUR, SHOULD THOSE NOTICES, THEY REFERRALS WILL ALSO BE SENT TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION WHERE IT'S APPLICABLE. I DIDN'T THINK I SAW THAT THERE. 
          CAN YOU JUST YOU SAID UNDER NUMBER FOUR BUT THERE ARE NUMEROUS. UH THE THIRD BULLET POINT. 
          YEAH. SO, SO UNDER THE CURRENT CODE, THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD IS NOT A BODY IN WHICH APPLICATIONS ARE REFERRED TO. RIGHT. THERE'S A DIFFERENT MECHANISM WHERE, UM, PROJECTS OR PROPOSALS INVOLVING ALTERATION OR DEMOLITION OF AGED STRUCTURES. 
          SO IN AN APPROPRIATE CASE, THE CODE COVERS THAT THEY'LL GET, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE NOTIFIED. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. 
          RIGHT. SO YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S IT. BACK TO THE GENERATORS. SO YEAH. SO REGARDING THE TESTING DONE BY HOMEOWNERS, THEY JUST HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE. SO WHATEVER THE NOISE ORDINANCE SPECIFIES REGARDING HOURS FOR. 
          THAT, THAT WAS HOW WE THOUGHT WE'D LINK IT UP. SO THAT'S FINE. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU. 
          GREAT. I MIGHT REGRET SAYING THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW ED EDITOR DOES BRING UP AN INTERESTING POINT. 
          I MEAN, I KNOW, I KNOW, THERE HAD BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT, RIGHT NOW THE, THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD, IT REALLY HAS A DUAL FUNCTION. IT IS A IT IS A LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD. UH, AND ITS BOARD FUNCTION IS TO VOTE ON, UM, WHAT ARE THE DOCUMENTS? THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. CORRECT. UM, FOR FOR. EXISTING EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT, UH, THE LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD RECOMMENDS TO THE TOWN BOARD TO CONSIDER FOR FOR LAND MARKING SEPARATELY, THE HISTORIC UH AND LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD. SO YOU KNOW, OPERATES I I WOULD SA MAYBE SOMEWHAT INFORMALLY AS A AS A HISTORIC ADVISORY COUNCIL, UM, PROVIDING PERSPECTIVE AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND FEEDBACK ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES. UM, THAT THAT COME THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE WONDERED MYSELF AND I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE SAID IT FROM THE DAIS, BUT I'VE CERTAINLY SAID IT IN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A MAYBE MORE NARROW BUT MORE CLEARLY DEFINED REFERRAL PROCESS FOR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A SEPARATE HISTORIC ADVISORY COUNCIL, SIMILAR TO THE WAY THAT OUR REFERRAL PROCESS EXISTS WITH THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL, WHERE PROJECTS ARE REFERRED TO THEM? UM, I DON'T THINK WE'RE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO LIKE BEING ABLE TO FRAME OUT, UM, YEAH, FRAME OUT THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY SPECIFICS ON THAT IDEA. UM, BUT THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF INSTANCES WHERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO, TO GET A RECOMMENDATION LETTER FROM THE HISTORIC BOARD, SIMILAR TO THE BOARD THAT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE, THE CAC. AND SO IF THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION WE WANTED TO MAKE, I THINK IT HAS TO BE VERY BASIC. I THINK IT'D NEED TO BE SOMETHING LIKE EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF OF LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF MAYBE BIFURCATING THE LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD FROM THE HISTORIC ADVISORY COUNCIL. UH, AND CREATING A, UM, CREATING, YOU KNOW, CREATING A MODEL SIMILAR TO HOW THE CAC OPERATES FOR FOR PROJECTS THAT HAVE HISTORICAL CONSIDERATIONS. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I AGREE. COOL. 
          IS THAT A RECOMMENDATION? I THINK THAT'S A I THINK THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. SO I'M ADDING IT AS NUMBER FIVE UNDER LONG TERM. OKAY. YEAH. SO I'LL JUST COMMUNICATE WITH YOU TO GET. YEAH THAT'D. BE GREAT. AND CERTAINLY LIKE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE YOU KNOW, WATCHERS LIKE THE EXISTING CHANNEL PB WOULD WOULD NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN, IN WHATEVER EVOLUTION THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          UM. START THE PROCESS TO CONSIDER. 
          YEAH. STUDY. WE CAN STUDY IT. UM, SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          UH, WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE, MR. WEINBERG? YOU. OH, IS IT OKAY? UM, OKAY, SO THAT IS IS ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY FEEDBACK OR EDITS TO THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT? NO. OKAY. UH, MOVING ON TO THE REPORTS. SO WE REVIEWED IN PRETTY GOOD DETAIL AT THE LAST MEETING, REPORTS ONE THROUGH NINE. 
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CAN I JUST INTERRUPT YOU? SURE. 
          ARE WE COMING BACK TO THE THE CHICKEN? YES, YES. SO. SO WE'LL WE'LL, UM. ALL RIGHT. FINE. YEAH. 
          WE'LL COME BACK TO THOSE THREE. YEAH. WE'LL COME BACK TO THOSE THREE. UM, SO REPORTS ONE THROUGH NINE. DID ANYONE, DID ANYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM, REVIEW THE UPDATES. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR EDITS ON REPORTS ONE THROUGH NINE? NO. 
          I DID NOT. UM, SO WE HAVE THREE NEW REPORTS. UH, THIS EVENING. UM. LET'S START. EXCUSE ME. LET'S START WITH, UM. OH, PICK OUR POISON. LET'S START WITH, UH, THE ACCESSORY, THE ACCESSORY SELF STORAGE, PARKING. 
          OKAY. UM. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PERFORMANCE. YEAH. SO THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE THREE NEW REPORTS THAT WERE CIRCULATED. AND WE BUILT THE SELF STORAGE ACCESSORY PARKING OFF OF THE DISCUSSION FROM LAST MEETING. AND A COUPLE PRIOR MEETINGS. SO THE FORMAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE OPPORTUNITY AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE BEGINNING, SORT OF A PRECURSOR TO ANSWERING THE FOUR QUESTIONS. UM, ULTIMATELY. SO WE BUILD THE CASE FOR WHY THIS IS POTENTIALLY A RATIONAL UPDATE TO 205. AND THEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE APPLIED. AND WE IDENTIFIED THE PROCESS SPECIAL USE PERMIT. AND WE BUILD IN THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF THE PROTECTIONS THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE SUB BULLETS THAT WE HAVE HERE ON THE SCREEN IN WHICH I'M MOVING MY CURSOR OVER NOW, AND I CAN MAKE THIS BIGGER. UM, BUT PLANNING BOARD IDENTIFIED ON NUMEROUS PROTECTIONS THAT IT THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT. UM, SUCH AS THE IMPORTANCE OF LANDSCAPING BUFFERS, SECURITY FEATURES, UM, THAT THEY USE BE ACCESSORY AND NOT HAVE UNLOADING LOADING OF COMMERCIAL GOODS, NOT TO BE A CONTRACTOR YARD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UH, NO. USED CARS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IDENTIFIED AS IMPORTANT AND THE ABILITY TO PRIOR TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, IF DEEMED APPROPRIATE. SO WE BUILT THOSE PROTECTIONS IN HIGHLIGHTED THAT, UH, LIMITED TO ADAPTIVE REUSE. SO MEANING THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO SOME EXISTING SELF STORAGE THAT WANTED TO JUST SIMPLY BUILD A LARGE PARKING LOT. UM, AGAIN, WE IDENTIFIED THE ZONING DISTRICTS, MANY OF WHICH ARE EITHER OFFICE BASED OR MORE ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE, WHICH THIS WOULD APPLY TO. UM, HIGHLIGHTED THAT THERE. YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THAT THAT BASELINE OF EXISTING FUNCTIONAL SPACE FOR THE SELF STORAGE, ALBEIT THAT THOSE ARE A SMALL NUMBER OF SPACES, BUT THOSE WOULD BE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT. AND, AND THE OTHER SPACES WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. UM, AND SO THAT'S IT. AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NUMBER 17, REALLY JUST JUST BUILDS ON THAT. AND FOLLOWS UP ON SOME OF THOSE PROTECTIONS. 
          UM, YEAH. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE COMMENTS ON EITHER THE REPORT OR, UH, 17. YEAH, I. 
          I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY, IT'S A 19. IT LOOKS LIKE. YEAH. SO I CAN CYCLE BACK AND FORTH. THANK YOU. KARA. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO ARE THERE ANY ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE REPORT OR, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE RECOMMENDATION 19 SORT OF TOGETHER SINCE ONE ONE REALLY JUST REFLECTS THE OTHER. 
          SO WHAT HAVE WE GOT? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, HOW ARE WE LIMITING THE, UM, PARKING SPACE? TARRYTOWN ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ONE PROJECT HAS SPACE AND A SIDE, THE REAR, THE FRONT. HOW IS ALL OF THAT AVAILABLE TO, UH, LEASING TO A SELF VEHICLE STORAGE? YEAH. UH, COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE, DO YOU WANT TO FEEL THAT? YEAH, SURE. SO IN MY OPINION, WHAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS WOULD BE A SITE PLAN AND THE BOARD WOULD GET RE FAMILIARIZED WHERE THE FRONT LOADING THE IN OF ENTRANCES OR VARIOUS ENTRANCES ARE SO THAT, UM, THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT THE UH, 
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FUNCTIONAL SPACIOUS SPACES FOR THE SELF STORAGE ARE THOSE THAT ARE MOST PROXIMATE TO USE. SO, UM, WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE A LOGICAL SETUP, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE SPACES FOR THE SELF STORAGE BE SOME REMOTE LOCATION OF THE SITE. UM, AND THEREFORE BEYOND THAT, THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO ESTABLISH, UM, THE SPACES WERE USED FOR AND WHERE EXACTLY THEY ARE. UM, PERHAPS THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME SIGNAGE TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR WHAT'S WHAT. UM, IN TERMS OF SELF STORAGE, FUNCTIONAL SPACES VERSUS THESE ACCESSORY SPACES. UM, BUT FOR THAT SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, YES, THERE IS. I GUESS IF YOU CONSIDER IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING, FRONTING ON 119, I WOULD SAY THAT IT CONTAINS PARKING IN PRIMARILY THE BOTH SIDES AND THE REAR. UH, SO ARE THEY GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO USE ALL THE SITES? ARE WE HOW ARE WE LIMITING HOW MANY VEHICLES THEY COULD STORE THERE? HOW MANY. 
          SPACES TALK. TO YOU ABOUT IT AND THEY ARE PRESENTED TO YOU AND TO SHOW YOU WHAT THEIR PROPOSAL IS. AND THE BOARD HAS CONCERNS. THE BOARD WOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO EXPRESS THOSE CONCERNS. WE DID TALK ABOUT READING UP SOME SPACES. SO, UM. AND ONE OTHER THING. WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S ONLY SPACE IN THE FRONT, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS A BUILDING WITH, UH, THE CONVERTING TO, TO SELF STORAGE, BUT IT ONLY HAS SPACE IN THE FRONT AND IT'S ON A CORRIDOR LIKE TARRYTOWN ROAD.. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. SO LET ME I'M YOU THE PLANNING BOARD HAS NOT RECEIVED A REFERRAL YET, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF APPLICATION WITH THE TOWN BOARD AND ITS FOR EVENTS PLAN. AND IT'S ABOUT 40 TARRYTOWN ROAD AND IT'S THE FORMER BASF BUILDING. AND THEY SEEK TO CONVERT MANY OF THOSE FLOORS TO SELF STORAGE. AND I BELIEVE THAT WOULD HAVE PUT THEIR EXISTING PARKING FIELD FOR THAT SITE IS INDEED IN THE FRONT. SO UM, THERE IS AN PARKING ON THE FRONT. THERE IS ALSO SOME PARKING IN THE REAR. 
          SO IN THAT INSTANCE, UM, IT MAY NOT BE ACCESSED FOR IT TO BE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT PLANNING BOARD MAY COME TO THE DETERMINATION OF THIS, PERHAPS. AND THAT IN ONLY PARKING WOULD BE PERMITTED IN THE REAR. UM, THAT MAY BE BECAUSE THAT FRONT PARKING AREA CONTAINS SHARED SPACES FOR OTHER ADJOINING USES. UM, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY THAT IT WOULD BE FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES BECAUSE IT'S YOU MAY FIND THAT IT'S IT'S WELL BUFFERED FROM 119, BUT I THINK THAT IS AN EXAMPLE THAT PERHAPS IT MAY NOT BE LOGICAL IN FRONT, BUT I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY. UH, WHETHER THAT IS BEST DEDUCED FROM LEGISLATING THAT OR THROUGH THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, NUMEROUS GUIDELINES FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO ENSURE APPLICANTS COMPLY WITH. 
          AREN'T WE EXPOSING OURSELVES TO RISKS? IFF WE'RE NOT CLEAR? YOU CAN'T HAVE THESE SPACES, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING ON THE STREET. THEY GOT TO BE HIT. I MEAN, TO ME, THEY SHOULD BE HIDDEN SOMEWHERE. THEY SHOULD NOT BE SEEN, NOT BE SEEN BY ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS. AND AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE WANT, YOU KNOW, CAR STORAGE FACILITIES ON OUR, YOU KNOW, MAIN STREETS, OR STREETS. THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR LANDSCAPING BUFFERS. THERE'S THERE'S SCREENING. 
          THERE WOULD BE BUILT IN SCREENING REQUIREMENTS AND IT TOUCHES ON IT. BUT THE OTHER THINGG I THINK OF IS IN A FULLY ACTIVATED OFFICE BUILDING COMPLEX, YOU KNOW, CHANCES ARE I MEAN, THEY'RE THEY'RE EXISTING PAVED SPACES. SO AT ONE POINT IN TIME THEY WERE LIKELY USED AND THERE WERE VEHICLES IN THEM. RIGHT. UM, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE WOULD BE ANY ALLOWANCE TO BUILD MORE. YEAH. 
          BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION. LIKE FROM, FROM AN AESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PARKING LOT FULL OF VEHICLES BEING DRIVEN BY, YOU KNOW, THE EMPLOYEES AND TENANTS OF. 
          THE VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUT EVERY DAY, CERTAIN TIME OF THE DAY, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERMANENT. 
          DROVE BY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL THE CASE. YOU DROVE BY CIBA-GEIGY, RIGHT? WHEN THEY WERE STORING HUNDREDS OF CARS. 
          WHERE IS THAT? THAT SOUNDS SAWMILL, OR IT'S. 
          WHERE WERE THEY? YOU KNOW, THEY WANTED THEY WANT TO DO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT BIG INDUSTRIAL BUILDING ON SOMERVILLE. 
          ROAD ONE LAWRENCE OR BMR OR BMR. OKAY. 
          THEY WERE STORING HUNDREDS OF CARS IN THERE RIGHT UP FRONT. 
          STILL LOCKED BECAUSE THE PLACE WAS EMPTY. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE AN EMPTY OFFICE BUILDING AND YOU DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT THE COMMUNITY THINKS ANYMORE. I 
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THINK, YOU KNOW, MY VIEW. BUT IF THE OFFICE BUILDING WAS BEING UTILIZED, THERE'D. BE VEHICLES PARKED THERE. 
          AND A LOT OF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE COMMUNITY THINKS IT'S WHAT'S PERMITTED ON THE THE USE ON THE SITE. 
          THE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S TROUBLING ME ABOUT THIS IS THE OWNERS OF THESE BUILDINGS WENT IN AND BOUGHT THEM AND KNEW WHAT THEY WERE BUYING. THEY'RE ALL SOPHISTICATED REAL ESTATE PEOPLE. THEY IF THEY BOUGHT AN OVER PARK BUILDING, IF THEY WANT TO COME NOW TO THE TOWN AND ASK FOR PERMISSION TO HAVE VEHICLES, ACCESSORY VEHICLE STORAGE, IT SHOULD BE IN A WAY THAT THAT ABSOLUTELY INSULATES THE TOWN ON EVERY SINGLE LEVEL. 
          DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE SAME NUMBER OF SPACES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LANDSCAPING. IT OUGHT TO ENHANCE THE BUILDING AND AND IT SHOULD. AND I YEAH, AND. 
          SHOULD NEGATIVE SHOULD NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF YOU WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CARS, A DEALERSHIP, CARS IN FRONT OF YOUR BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THEN MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO GO TO A, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUY, BUY MORE LAND FOR YOUR DEALERSHIP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. 
          THEY PUT THEM OUT FRONT.. IS THAT, UH, WELL, AT LEAST I IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, MINIMAL, WHATEVER IT MAY BE MORE THAT THE BOARD HAS CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, SUCH ACCESSORY PARKING BEING IN A FRONT IN THE FRONT OF A OF AN EXISTING SELF-STORAGE FACILITY. AND IF THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN THINK ABOUT THAT. AND WORKING THROUGH THE TOWN BOARD AND AND UTILIZE THAT AS WE FORMULATE THE LAW. 
          WELL, I THINK, YOU KNOW, POINTS LIKE THAT, THAT WE KNOW WE WANT COMPLIED WITH, WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SPECIFY NOW, NOT, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO FIGHT WITH THEM AND, AND HAVE PEOPLE THREATENING US THAT YOU'RE BEING UNFAIR AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, OVERREACHING. SO FOR INSTANCE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DENSITY IS. IF THERE WERE 200 SPACES BEHIND THE BUILDING NOW, HOW MANY? WE ONLY WANT TO USE 50% OF THEM FOR STORAGE. DO WE WANT THAT THAT STORAGE AREA TO BE SEPARATELY FENCED AND SECURED SO THAT, YOU KNOW. GARRETT, I THINK YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK UP SOMETHING FROM THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT OR THE APPLICATION.. AND JUST TO SOMEWHAT RESPOND TO MR. WEINBERG, I THINK PART OF IT IS A CASE BY CASE REVIEW, AND THAT'S WHY THE PROPOSAL WAS TO BUILD IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT. I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND AND I EVEN HAVE A NOTE HERE, RESTRICT OR PROHIBIT ALLOWANCES IN THE FRONT YARD. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THERE'S A STRAW POLL TO SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WEAVE IN. I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE A COUPLE OF YOU AT LEAST ARE ON BOARD WITH THAT, BUT BECAUSE NOT EACH EACH SITE IS NOT THE SAME, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE BASF, WHICH IS TUCKED QUITE A WAYS FROM, UH, TARRYTOWN ROAD, NOT VISIBLE. AND THERE'S NO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORS. AND I 87 TO THE REAR. YOU KNOW, YOU THE BOARD MIGHT CONSIDER ALLOWING IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, 200 SPACES, AS YOU SAID, SOMETHING MORE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO DO SOME GREENING UP AND, AND POSSIBLY REMOVE, MAYBE THEY WOULD DO MORE. AND THEN A SITE THAT'S FRONT FACING ON 119 WITH JUST A ROW OF PARKING ACROSS THE FRONT. THAT'S WHY YOU LOOK AT IT ON A CASE. 
          BY CASE. AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHY, LIKE THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS IS MANAGED BY THE PLANNING BOARD. AND IT'S NOT JUST DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY BY STAFF. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BENEFIT TO, TO THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THE BENEFIT IS, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF A SPECIAL PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THE TUG AND PULL THAT WE HAVE WITH EVERY APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RE NATURALIZING SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF IF NOT FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS AND IF NOT FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, TUG AND PULL PROCESS, THERE WOULD BE NO INCENTIVE FOR, FOR THE BUILDING OWNER, UM, TO, TO RE NATURALIZE THOSE SPACES. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MUCH OF THE WORK WE DO IS TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF THE THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE PUT IN FRONT OF US AND, AND FINDING THOSE WINS THAT WE CAN CONDITION TO PROVIDE COMMUNITY BENEFIT. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ABSOLUTE HARD AND FAST THINGS, WE, YOU KNOW, UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES BASED ON LOT CONFIGURATION, WE NEVER WANT TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD CERTAINLY BE CODIFIED. BUT, UM, TO DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT'S POINT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A, A BUILDING THAT'S NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT I WOULD ABSOLUTELY NEVER CONSIDER PARKING IN THE FRONT. 
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UM, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SPECIFICS OF, OF THAT LOT AND THE SPECIFICS OF THE APPLICATION. UM, AND WHAT OTHER CONDITIONS THE APPLICANT WOULD AGREE TO, TO, TO MAKE THE APPLICATION, UM, PALATABLE TO, TO THIS BOARD. 
          WELL, THAT'S THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT? WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. AND TO ME, HAVING A, A FULL STORAGE IN FRONT OF A BUILDING ON A MAIN, THOROUGH WAY, IT'S IT'S AESTHETICALLY HORRIBLE. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S GREAT FOR THE IT'S GREAT FOR THE GUY WHO OWNS THE LAND, WHO OWNS A SELF-STORAGE. 
          HE'S MAKING REVENUE. HOW IS THAT HELPING ME? IT'S HE'S GENERATING REVENUE IN THE PARKING SPACE. DOES THAT GIVE US AN ADDITIONAL TAX BASE? IS IT STILL THE SAME ANSWER IF IT'S ENTIRELY SCREENED BY LANDSCAPING, IT'S A QUESTION. 
          OF SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING. WELL, YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'LL NEVER SCREEN IN ENOUGH. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SCREEN IN ENOUGH. 
          OKAY. YOU KNOW, I IF YOU LOOK AT CIBA-GEIGY DOWN ON NINE A, THEY PARK HUNDREDS OF CARS. 
          BUT THEY'RE UP TOP. YOU DON'T SEE THEM? WELL, NO. YOU COULD SEE THEM FROM NINE A THERE'S IT'S ENCLOSED, FENCED IN MONITORS LATE AT NIGHT. THE NATURE OF THAT AREA IS COMMERCIAL. I DON'T FORESEE ANYBODY OBJECTING TO THAT TYPE OF USE AND STORAGE. IT'S DOESN'T CREATE TRAFFIC. IT DOESN'T CREATE POLLUTION. SO I THINK THE REAL ISSUE IS NOT THE USE AND NOT EVEN FRONT OR BACK, BUT THE THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH IT FINDS ITSELF. UM, WHERE I WANT TO HAVE A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET FROM SOMEBODY WHO'S STORING 100 CARS IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. ABSOLUTELY NOT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS TO BE FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO WHAT? AND WHATEVER PROPOSAL WE, WE CREATE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHERE LIMITATIONS COMING. RIGHT. IF YOU HAVE 200 SPOTS IN THE FRONT, DO WE HAVE TO USE ALL 200 FOR THIS. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DISCUSS WITH THE THE APPLICANT. IF THERE WAS EVER AN APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US. 
          BUT YOU'RE SUBJECT TO IT TAKING IF YOU INSIST THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, REDUCE THEIR NUMBER OF SPACES FROM 200 TO 100. 
          NO. I MEAN, WHEN. 
          WHEN WE HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE APPLICATIONS IN FRONT OF US ALL THE TIME, WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSS LAND BANKING, WE DISCUSS ALL SORTS OF THINGS. 
          I AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN I AGREE WITH THE CHAIRMAN. YOU EVERYTHING HAS TO BE VIEWED AS AN INDEPENDENT APPLICATION. 
          TAKING INTO ACCOUNT EVERYTHING. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE. WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT. THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD IT BE CONSIDERED AS WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES IN FRONT OF US AND THEN WE ALL SIT HERE AND WE SAY, OH, I'LL BE DAMNED IF I'M GOING TO LET THEM PUT 200 CARS IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING, OR TRY TO CREATE, UH, A PARAMETERS IN A VACUUM. AND I THINK IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO CREATE PARAMETERS IN A VACUUM. 
          SO WE HAVE TO LEAVE OURSELVES THE RIGHT TO EXAMINE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THE APPLICANT APPLICANT COMING BEFORE US. 
          AND, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO. MATTER WHAT JOB. WOULD YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO? IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY YES TO ONE OTHER LOCATION, ANOTHER APPLICATION COMES IN. SO LONG AS IT'S NOT AN ARBITRARY DECISION, SO LONG AS IT'S DECISION BASED ON THE NATURE OF THE COMMUNITY, SURROUNDING PROPERTY. UH, THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS. UH, THEN W WE WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY NO. 
          RIGHT? RIGHT. SO THE SPECIAL PERMIT CRITERIA OFTEN TIE IT TO THE COMMUNITY SURROUNDING. SO IS IT ADEQUATELY SCREENED FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES OR IS IT, UH, INCREASING? UM, A SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC FLOW, UM, TO ADJACENT PROPERTIES LIKE THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE CONSIDERED THROUGH THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS. 
          AND EVEN BUILD IN PREFERENCES FOR SIDE AND REAR. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE FUNCTION OF A SPECIAL PERMIT. BUT IT'S HARD TO USE ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY OVER ANOTHER AS YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, 
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DIFFERENT EXAMPLES. UM, THAT'S WHY YOU DO HAVE THE CRITERIA TO EVALUATE EACH PROPERTY AS IT COMES BEFORE YOU. 
          YEAH. SO I JUST MENTIONED WITH PREFERENCE TO SIDE AND REAR. 
          THIS STILL SEEMS THE. OTHER THING TOO. 
          IS PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS GET A VARIANCE FROM THE SPECIAL PERMIT CONDITIONS. SO IF YOU DID PREVENT, YOU KNOW, PARKING WITHIN THE FRONT FRONT YARD RIGHT AND FRONT YARD IS A DEFINED TERM AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT CAN SHOW YOU HOW THAT'S CALCULATED. BUT, UM, YOU COULD PREVENT IT IN THE FRONT YARD. AND THEN IF SOMEBODY REALLY HAD AN EXCEPTIONAL LOT, LIKE IF THEY HAVE A UNIQUE LOT WHERE THE FRONT YARD IS THE ONLY PLACE THEY CAN PUT IT AND THEY CAN SHOW THERE'S NOBODY AROUND FOR MILES, THEY CAN GET A VARIANCE FROM THAT IF THEY SO DESIRE. AND THEN, UM, JUST TO TO PATEL'S OTHER QUESTION ABOUT. MR. POTATO, QUESTION ABOUT SO. 
          VALUES. UM, SOME OF THE BENEFITS TO THE TOWN COULD POTENTIALLY BE THE FACT THAT THIS ADDITIONAL USE IS ALSO AN INCREASE IN ASSESSED VALUE, WHICH IS TAXABLE, SIMILAR TO W WHEN YOU PUT A CELLULAR TOWER ON A. 
          SITE PROPERTY. YEAH. YES. 
          OKAY, GOOD. I GOT SOMETHING. 
          WELL I WANT THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I WENT OVER AND ASKED HER. 
          SO, UM, I GUESS COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER SCHMIDT, DO YOU FEEL YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO TO MAYBE REFINE THIS? THIS? IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE IN A POSITION TO VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN WE CAN GET THROUGH THE REMAINING TWO ITEMS AND COME BACK WITH AN EVEN FURTHER REFINED SET OF DOCUMENTS AT THE NEXT MEETING THAT HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WILL BE IN A POSITION TO NOT SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON AND BE IN A POSITION TO VOTE AT. THE NEXT. 
          CAN I HAVE IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, GARRETT. AND SO WE DON'T GO RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES HERE. I MEAN, ELECTRIC CARS, ANY LIMITS ON THEM? BECAUSE I THINK THE CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE SOME CRITERIA IN WHAT YOU DRAFTED, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, WE HAVE TO HAVE PRETTY SPECIFIC CRITERIA THAT WE CAN AGREE ON FOR THIS USE. BECAUSE I LOOK AT THIS USED PRIMARILY AS A PRIVILEGE, NOT A RIGHT TO THE OWNER. THE OWNER BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THE WAY IT WAS. THEY WALKED INTO IT. THEY'RE SOPHISTICATED PEOPLE. THE MARKET CHANGED FOR THEM. THEY WENT TO, YOU KNOW, STORAGE. AND YOU DON'T NEED. TO SAY THE PLANNING BOARD WANTS US TO COME AS A SEPARATE FIRM. THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST LET US GO AND VOTE BOTH THAT WAY AND WE'LL RELATED TO THE TOWN BOARD. SO I WOULD PREFER THAT. 
          I, I DO KNOW, UM, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO USE THEIR PROPERTY TO THE FULL EXTENT, NOT IMPEDING ON COLD OR ANYTHING THAT'S WITHIN THE TOWN. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THEIR PROPERTY. THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT. SO JUST JUST HEAR ME OUT HERE. SO SAY I DON'T WANT TO HAVE PARKING SPACES ANYMORE. RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO CONSTRUCT THE BUILDING BECAUSE I WANT TO GET THE MOST THAT I CAN OUT OF MY PROPERTY. 
          SO NOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. BUT THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT. WELL, THEY DON'T YOU. 
          THEY'VE DONE. ALL RIGHT. SO WOULD YOU RATHER SEE MORE B BUILDINGS? I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. PERSONALLY, IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, I'D RATHER SEE A, YOU KNOW, A REUSE OF THAT BUILDING FOR RESIDENTIAL OR SOMETHING. BUT AGAIN. 
          THEY CAN'T. DO THAT. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO USE IT THE WAY THEY SEE FIT. THEY CAN ALSO COME IN AND DECIDE, HEY, I WANT TO PUT ANOTHER BUILDING FOR MORE STORAGE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S LIKE THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THEIR PROPERTY AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. 
          SO LET'S DO A QUICK STRAW POLL. ONE QUICK THING. UM, CHANGE OF USE. SO THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE APPLICABLE TO SELF STORAGEGE FACILITIES. YES. IF IT BECOMES AN APARTMENT ALL BETS ARE OFF. 
          ALL BETS ARE. YEAH YEAH. 
          YEAH. IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE TO SELF STORAGE. 
          RIGHT. AND I THINK YOU THE BOARD DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT YOU WANTED TO APPLY IT TO ONLY EXISTING CONSTRUCTED. YEAH. 
          YES. AND THAT. ADAPTIVE REUSE. 
          YEAH. YEAH. EVERY IS CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. THANK YOU. UM ALL RIGHT SO A QUICK STRAW STRAW POLL. DO WE WANT TO ASK STAFF TO TAKE ANOTHER CRACK AT THE THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION 19 BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION. I WOULD YES. 
          JUST REFINING IT. AND WHAT AND COMMISSIONER, I WAS JUST SPEAKING BRIEFLY WITH THE CHAIR. I THINK FOR THESE LIMITED RECOMMENDATIONS AND LIMITED, YOU KNOW, MODIFICATIONS TO THE REPORTS. UH, WE COULD DO A TRACK CHANGE, RED LINE CHANGE SO THAT THE BOARD CAN MORE EASILY BOARD MEMBERS CAN MORE EASILY RECOGNIZE THE SPECIFIC REVISIONS, SO IT CAN NARROW THE DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          RIGHT. AND I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S PARTICULAR CRITERIA OR R RECOMMENDATIONS O COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE GET THEM TO STAFF. 
          [02:40:02]
I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF I. 
          THINK BY NEXT TUESDAY OR. WEDNESDAY. 
          IT'S ALWAYS LIKE, I. CAN'T REALLY SURPRISES AT THE MEETING. ARE ARE LESS HELPFUL THAN. 
          THE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? YEAH. SURPRISES AT THE MEETING ARE LESS HELPFUL THAN THAN ASKING THE QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE AND PROVIDING. WE WANT TO GET A FINAL DRAFT FOR YOU GUYS TO REVIEW AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING AHEAD OF TIME, PLEASE, PLEASE REACH OUT. 
          OKAY. MY ULTIMATE GOAL IS NOT TO PREPARE THE LOCAL LAW. RIGHT NOW. WE WANT TO GET TO THE GUARDRAILS PLANS WHERERE IT'S COMFORTABLE WITH. WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE STAFF THAT THIS IS NOT A COMPLEX PROSPECT TO DRAFT INTO TO FIVE. UM, YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. SO WE I'M I'M IF IT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE, IT'S NOW 955. I WOULD LOVE TO TACKLE THESE OTHER TWO TOPICS IN THE NEXT 30 MINUTES. IF WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT EXTRA TIME. SO AGAIN, STAFF CAN PUT US IN A PLACE TO, UM, REALLY BE IN A POSITION TO. VOTE ON. CHICKENS MAY TAKE UP THAT. SO LET'S LET'S DO, UH, LET'S DO CANNABIS NEXT. UM, SO, COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE CANNABIS RECOMMENDATION? YEAH, SURE. SO SIMILAR FORMAT REPORT. 
          SORRY. REPORT. YEAH. PRECURSOR HERE. BEFORE WE GO THROUGH SECTION ONE THROUGH FOUR, WE IDENTIFY THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE, MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE PD DISTRICT PRESENTLY ALLOWS THE RETAIL CANNABIS USE AND MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE PLANNING BOARD HAS A STRONG RECOMMENDATION THAT PUBLIC YOUTH FACILITIES BE DEFINED AND INCLUDED WITH A 500 FOOT SETBACK. WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE CLEANING DISTRICT. AND THIS IS A VERY DISTINCT PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION. UM, TO DO SO. SO WE WE DISCUSS, UM, AND WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE DIRECTION, THE PRODUCT DIRECTION, REASONS THE PLANNING BOARD IS LOOKING FOR FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES. SO, UM, THE DOCUMENT READS FAVORABLE TOWARDS THE AMENDMENT TO ADD TO THE DSC AND TR AND CV DISTRICTS, THE THE RETAIL CANNABIS USE. SO IT IDENTIFIES THOSE AS THE APPLICABLE ZONING DISTRICTS. UM, AND AGAIN HERE WITH THE PUBLIC USE FACILITIES, WHICH IS AN OPT IN TYPE PROVISION. SO THIS IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY BUILT IN NEW YORK STATE ENABLES IT. WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST MEETING. PLANNING BOARD FELT STRONGLY ABOUT IT. UM SO AGAIN 500FT AND STEP BACK FROM SUCH FACILITIES, WHICH WILL BE RECOGNIZED AS MUNICIPALLY OWNED AND OPERATED FACILITIES WHERE YOUTH CONGREGATE, UM, GO OFF TO FURTHER UM BROADLY RECOGNIZE THAT AS POTENTIAL THE LOCAL PARKS, LIBRARIES, COMMUNITY CENTERS AND COMPARABLE LOCATIONS. UM. LET'S SEE HERE WE TALK ABOUT WHERE THESE ZONING DISTRICTS ARE WHILE THEY'RE THERE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO THE ONE 1990 AND K DISTRICT CORRIDORS. THERE ARE POCKETS ALONG STATE ROADS. UM, THERE ARE SOME OF THESE ZONING DISTRICTS. UM, ARE ANDND ARE IN SMALL SHOPPING PLAZAS, FOR INSTANCE. SO WE HIGHLIGHT THAT AND THEN MAKE A FEW CONNECTIONS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE PROSPECT TO FILL VACANCIES AND AND SO ON. AND SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK THE MAIN TAKEAWAY IS, IS, IS THE PLANNING BOARD GENERALLY IS SUPPORTIVE OF EXTENDING TO THESE EXTRA DISTRICTS. AND THEN THE PUBLIC FACILITIES IS A VERY IMPORTANT DYNAMIC TO OUR LIFE. THE REPORT FOLLOWS THROUGH WITH ALL THAT GREAT AND THAT IS NUMBER TWO PLUS YEAR 20 2020. 
          GREAT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION 20? I THINK I THINK THIS MORE OR LESS REFLECTS UH, OR NOT MORE OR LESS. I THINK THIS REFLECTS, UH, OUR CONVERSATION FROM THE LAST MEETING. 
          RIGHT. WE JUST HAD ONE, UM, TYPO CORRECTION ON PAGE FIVE, WHICH, UH, WE PICKED UP INSTEAD OF AS EXAMPLE. WE WOULD JUST PUT IN AS EXAMPLES. GREAT. SINCE IT'S MULTIPLE. 
          OKAY. AWESOME. GREAT. GREAT JOB. UM, LASTLY, CHICKENS. SO, SO, UM, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS, IS COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE REPORT AND THEN TOWN PLANNER BRITAIN, ARE YOU IN THE BEST POSITION TO WALK US THROUGH? UM, SORT OF THE THE DIAGRAMS THAT WE RECEIVED AND, UM, WHAT WHAT OUR TAKEAWAYS SHOULD BE FROM THEM. 
          YEAH, I CAN GIVE YOU A FEW COMMENTS. 
          GREAT. SO LET'S, UH, COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE CHICKENS.. 
          [02:45:03]
ALL RIGHT, TOM, IF YOU APPRECIATE THE REPORTS THAT YOU DID, I LOOKED THEM OVER UPON THEIR RETURN, AND I WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL. AND ENLIGHTENING. SO AGAIN, IT'S SIMILAR FORMAT HERE. WE'VE GOT THE, UM, LANGUAGE THAT SHOWS WHY THE KEEPING OF CHICKENS IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED. AND THAT'S PURSUANT TO THIS ONE SECTION. AND THE CODE THAT EXISTS. AND WE GIVE SOME BACKGROUND DATA THAT LOOKS LIKE APPROACHING ONE THIRD OF THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY COMMUNITIES DO ALLOW THE USE, UM, AND WE IDENTIFY THAT, UM, BASED THE LOCAL LAW UPDATES ON THE BEST PRACTICES FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND THE COUNTY AND STATE, AND WE HIGHLIGHT, UM, SOME OF THE PLANNING BOARD, THE FACT THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS, UH, MAKING A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL LEAD TO AN IMPROVED, UM, REGULATION OF THIS USE. SO WE DO TALK ABOBOUT SOME OF THE THE RATIONALE FOR WHY PEOPLE WANT TO DO THIS USE, WHETHER IT BE SUSTAINABILITY BASED, REDUCING CARBON FOOTPRINT, UM, FOOD SECURITY PURPOSES, TICK MANAGEMENT, THAT TYPE OF THING. THOSE ARE THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE LIKE THIS USE, UM, WE DO HIGHLIGHT THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE VERY PROTECTIVE MEASURES BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY AREAS AND WE, YOU KNOW, OVERVIEW ON JUST THE BASIC RESTRICTIONS AND WHAT WE'RE PICKING UP FROM THE PLANNING BOARD IS SIGNIFICANT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGE. 
          SO THE BASELINE MINIMUM LOT SIZE WAS ESTABLISHED AT 20,000. 
          THE PLANNING BOARD, ON ITS REVIEW OF THE LAW, UH, APPEARS TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH AT LEAST AS LOW AS 10,000, PERHAPS LOWER. AND I KNOW THAT MAY BE A DISCUSSION POINT. SO OF COURSE, WE WE HIGHLIGHT THAT. UM, BUT THEN WE ALSO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF, UM, A LOT OF THESE SAFETY PROVISIONS AND SOME OF THOSE MORE, UH, TIGHT KNIT OR HIGHER DENSITY AREAS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, OUR TIME ZONES AS OPPOSED TO THE OUR 20, UM, WHEN THAT SHOWS THE GRAPHICS, UH, WHAT WE DID SEE IS THAT THE SETBACKS WITH REGARDS TO NEIGHBORING HOMES, I THINK THE INTENT WAS, WAS VERY GOOD. BUT AND WHEN WE RAN SOME OF THE NUMBERS, THE WAY THE 285 IS AMENDMENTS IN THIS REGARD, THE SETBACKS ARE SET UP. IT WOULD ACTUALLY ALMOST BE, UM,M, ENTIRELY RESTRICTIVE EVEN IN OUR 20 ZONE. SO THAT WILL HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THAT. AND I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS GOING TO BE TO REALLY MORE DEFAULT FROM SETBACKS TO PROPERTY LINES AND LESS FOCUS ON NEIGHBORING. 
          HOMES. 100 FOOT SETBACK. YEAH. AND THEN LASTLY, UH, I THINK SO WE IDENTIFIED THIS THIS SLIDING SCALE CONCEPT, MEANING OUR 285 REALLY DOESN'T GET INTO THAT. IT JUST SAYS, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CHICKENS THAT YOU CAN HAVE. UH, WHEREAS THE PLANNING BOARD, I THINK, CORRECTLY IDENTIFIES THAT, UH, THERE SHOULD BE A PROPORTIONAL, UH, ALLOWANCE OF MAX CHICKENS. 
          SO SMALLER THE LOT SIZE, THE LESS NUMBER OF CHICKENS THAT ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE. SO I THINK PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SOME IDEAS WITH SPECIFICITY THERE. SO THERE ARE WHEN WE HEAR THAT DISCUSSION, I DO I'M CONFIDENT WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A FEW FURTHER UPDATES TO BOTH THIS REPORT AS WELL AS, UM, THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION. SO WITH THAT, I THINK I'D STOP SHARE. AND IF YOU WANT TO SHOW SOME OF THOSE GRAPHICS, UM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. DID DID ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE GRAPHICS OR WERE WAS IT PRETTY CLEAR TO EVERYONE? IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR LIMITING? YES. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE MATT GO THROUGH THEM, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, I JUST WAS CURIOUS IF, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANYONE WATCHING AT HOME, YOU CAN SHOW WHAT THE BOARD SAW, BUT IT IT SEEMED PRETTY CLEAR HOW LIMITING THE 100 FOOT SETBACK FROM ANY ADJACENT STRUCTURES WAS. 
          RIGHT? YEAH, NO, IT. MAYBE EVEN. 
          IT WAS EVEN. DIFFICULT ON A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. SO 30,030. 
          THOUSAND IS A MINIMAL. AND SO ACTUALLY WHAT WHAT MIGHT MAYBE WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO PULL UP IN. YEAH. UM, HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE THIS AT YOUR FINGERTIPS. UM, COULD YOU PULL UP THE SORT OF THE CHEAT SHEET CHART OF SETBACKS? UM, SETBACKS WITHIN THE THE VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ARE 40 THROUGH R5? YEAH. THAT'S PROBABLY. 
          YOU CAN RUN A SEARCH ON THAT. MATT. 
          [02:50:02]
YEAH. THE BULK TABLE. YEAH, IT'S THE TOWN'S BULK. UM, OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO PULL, UH, A MR. LIEBERMAN AND JUST SHOW US THE PAPER. 
          UM, OKAY. CAN I ASK, UM, HOW DO WE COME UP, OR HOW WAS THAT DEVELOPED? 200 ZERO SQUARE FOOT LOT AND TEN CHICKENS. WHERE THAT COME FROM? IT CAME FROM OTHER EXAMPLES IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. SO IT WAS A ONE OF THE MORE CONSERVATIVE, UM, CHICKEN STATUTES. 
          YEAH. MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT IT WAS SOME IT WAS FROM SOMEWHERE UPSTATE OR UP COUNTY. UP COUNTY, BECAUSE. 
          I NORTHERN WESTCHESTER THAT IN RETROSPECT, UM, THEY'RE PROBABLY LESS DENSE AND HAVE LESS. 
          YEAH. SO I MEAN, I LOOKED, UH, IN LOWER WESTCHESTER AREA, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH IN BRIARCLIFF AS ONE ACRE MINIMUM, AND TARRYTOWN HAS NOTHING LIKE, UH, WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING, WHICH IS CRAZY. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CHICKENS THEY HAVE. UH,H, IN THOSE SMALL LOTS BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ANY SETBACK RULES. NOTHING. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO IT'S QUITE A RANGE, EVEN IN LOWER. YEAH. AND AND PERSONALLY, I THINK, UH, I THINK THAT THERE ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE SETBACKS FROM, FROM THE PROPERTY LINES. ABSOLUTELY. UM, I, I HAVE, I HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE ONCE, UM, DEPUTY OR TOWN PLANNER, BRITTAN IS ABLE TO PULL UP THE BULK CHART. 
          UM, BUT IF. MATT, WHAT YOU COULD DO IS I'M SORRY IF YOU RAN INTO THE, UH, HALL TO THE RACK, YOU COULD SCAN IT INTO YOURSELF AS AN EMAIL AND SHARE IT. I MEAN, ONLY TAKE. YOU WANT. JUST LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, THE SETBACKS FOR, LIKE, OUR TEN DISTRICT. 
          YEP. WELL. ALL THE DISTRICTS. 
          YEAH. THE THE CHART SHOWS THEM ALL. I MEAN, IT WOULD TAKE 25 SECONDS. YEAH. IT'S IT'S. 
          THANKS, MAN. I KNOW IT'S LATE. UM. 
          IF YOU WANT TO SUMMARIZE, I MEAN, WE ALL HAVE. 
          YEAH. WELL. SO THE CHARTS. 
          WELL, SO I THINK I ACTUALLY HAVE IT IN MY, I HAVE IT IN MY CHATGPT. SO LET ME, LET ME PULL THIS UP. 
          YEAH. IT'S NOT THE EXAMPLES THAT HE GAVE. IT'S ACTUALLY THE TOWN'S, UM, LOT IN BULK. YEAH. SO FOR EACH ZONING, RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, IT'LL SAY MINIMUM LOT SIZE, FRONT YARD SETBACK, SIDE YARD, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SETBACK. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THIS IS GOING. AND QUALIFIES. WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAD THE SPACE AND YOU HAD A CORNER LOT. 
          SO SAY THAT AGAIN. AND I THINK YOU ASK EVERYBODY. 
          SO IF THEY IF THERE'S A CORNER LOT AND IT'S SATISFIED THE SETBACKS EVERYTHING. HERE WE GO. 
          WELL WE'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT THIS WAS THE TABLE. SO IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT. SO SO CURRENTLY IN IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, IF, IF ONE WERE TO WANT TO SAY, INSTALL A SHED ON, ON THEIR PROPERTY, UH, IN AN RFI OR SORRY, IN AN HOUR 40 WHICH IS OR TO ORIENT YOU, THAT'S THE TOP OF THE SHEET. UM, AND AN HOUR 40 THEY WOULD THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE UH. 
          20FT FROM THIS IS THAT ARE WE AT THE TOP 20FT. YEAH. FROM THE SIDE, 20FT FROM. YEAH. SO 20, 20FT FROM THE SIDE AND REAR AND TEN FROM THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTUTURE MOVING DO TO THE R 30. IT REQUIRES 18FT FROM THE SIDE AND REAR, TEN FROM THE PRINCIPAL. UH. OUR 20. 
          , OUR 20 REQUIRES, UH, 16 FROM SIDE AND REAR, TEN FROM THE PRINCIPAL DOWN DOWN TO THE R 15. YOU HAVE 14 FROM THE SIDE AND REAR, TEN FROM THE PRINCIPAL MOVING DOWN TO THE R TEN. IT REQUIRES 12 FROM THE SIDE AND REAR, TEN FROM THE PRINCIPAL. AND THEN MOVING DOWO INTO THE R FIVE. OH, SORRY. R SEVEN FIVE IS TEN FROM THE SIDE AND REAR AND TEN FROM THE PRINCIPAL. AND THEN LASTLY IN THE R5 WHICH IS OUR SMALLEST ZONING DISTRICT, UM, IT REQUIRES EIGHT FROM THE SIDE AND REAR AND EIGHT FROM THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. AND SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, IF ONE WERE TO WANT TO INSTALL A SHED, WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE POOLS? UM. 
          POOLS HAVE THEIR OWN POOL REQUIREMENTS. 
          SO, SO, BUT SO WHAT WHAT WHAT KIND OF STRUCTURES WOULD REQUIRE UM, THESE SETBACKS. UM, SO EXCESS. 
          [02:55:04]
DETACHED GARAGES, SHEDS, POOL, DETACHED POOL HOUSES. 
          FULL HOUSES. THAT KIND OF STRUCTURES. 
          YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND AND SO WHAT I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY HAVING, HAVING A BLANKET 100FT EVEN, EVEN IF IT WERE, UM, JUST FROM THE PROPERTY, FROM THE PROPERTY LINES, THAT WOULD STILL RESTRICT, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT USAGE ACROSS THE TOWN, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE SMALLER ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH I THINK FROM OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE THIS AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE WHILE RESPECTING, UM, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY, CHARACTER AND WHILE RESPECTING, UM, NEIGHBORS. BUT WE DIDN'T WANT THIS JUST TO BE, UH, SOMETHING THAT WAS ONLY AVAILABLE AND ACCESSIBLE TO, UM, NOT TO MAKE GENERALIZATIONS. YOU KNOW, THE WEALTHIEST OF THOSE IN GREENBERG WHO HAVE THE LARGEST LOT SIZES. UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FINDD SORT OF A WAY TO CREATE A STANDARD THAT WAS SCALABLE ACROSS THE ZONING DISTRICTS. UM, AND I THINK WE HAD DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY SCALING THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS. SO THE SCALING CONCEPT IS, IS NOT NECESSARILY NEW WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THIS CONVERSATION. UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT I HAD DRAFTED UP WAS DOUBLING THE SIDE AND REAR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, SETBACKS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING HALF OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACKS. AND SO BASICALLY WHAT THAT WOULD WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN IS IF SOMEONE WANTED TO INSTALL A CHICKEN COOP ON THEIR PROPERTY, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE TWICE AS FAR FROM THE FROM THE REAR AND SIDE LOT LINES AS THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED TO INSTALL A SHED OR A GARAGE OR THINGS LIKE THAT. UH, AND TO THE EXTENT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE HAVING THE CHICKEN COOPS CLOSER TO THEIR HOUSE, WHICH WOULD IMPACT THEM PERSONALLY THE MOST, THEY CAN HAVE THE CHICKEN COOPS AS CLOSE AS HALF OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACK, WHICH EVERYWHERE BUT AN AR FIVE WOULD BE FIVE FEET FROM THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, AND IN THE R-5 WOULD BE FOUR FEET. UM, SO AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT CHART, UM, YOU KNOW, IN AN HOUR 40, THAT WOULD BE 40FT FROM, FROM THE SIDE AND REAR AND IT'S ALL SIDES. SO THAT SORT OF CENTERS YOU INTO THE CENTER OF THE LOT. 
          UM, SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 20 TIMES TWO, WHICH IS 40, 18 TIMES TWO, WHICH IS 36, SO ON, SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM. 
          THESE ARE ONLY IN THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. YES. 
          ONLY IN THE ONLY PERMITTED, ONLY. 
          IN THE REAR. SO IT'D BE ONLY IN THE REAR. AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST AGAIN, TWICE AS FAR AS THE OTHERWISE, UH, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED SETBACK FROM THE REAR LOT WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT AND THEN TWICE FROM THE SIDES, UM, AND AT LEAST HALF OF THE PRINCIPAL, WHICH AGAIN, IN MOST DISTRICTS WOULD BE FIVE FEET FROM THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. WOULDN'T IT BE INTERESTING TO REDO THESE WITH THAT PROPOSAL AND SEE HOW MANY OF THESE STILL GET KNOCKED OUT? SURE. I MEAN, IF IF THIS, UH, IF THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT THAT WE'RE EVEN OPEN TO, WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE STAFF DO THAT. YEAH. I MEAN, WE WANTED TO FLOAT IT. IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED. AND THEN WE FIRST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE WITH OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR'S OFFICE TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY IMPEDIMENTS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH, WITH RESPECT TO EVEN CITING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WITHIN HALF OF WHAT IS OTHERWISE PERMITTED. 
          AND WE SAT DOWN AND REVIEWED AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY INITIAL ISSUES. 
          AND LIKE INITIALLY TO BE TRANSPARENT, LIKE INITIALLY I HAD THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WANTS A CHICKEN COOP UP AGAINST THEIR HOUSE, THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. THE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAD CONCERNS. AND NOW NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY WHY YOU WOULDN'T WANT A STRUCTURE RIGHT UP AGAINST THE HOUSE. UM, BUT TO THE EXTENT WE'RE TALKING AT A MINIMUM FIVE FEET IN MOST, MOST ZONING DISTRICTS FOR FOUR FEET ONLY IN THE R-5. UM, I THINK THAT PROVIDES ENOUGH OF A BUFFER TO TO FROM THE FROM THE STRUCTURE TO THE HOUSE. AND YOU LIMIT THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS. THEY CAN. OH. AND THEN SORRY, SORRY, THAT WAS THE ONE OTHER PART OF THIS. SO, UM, REFINING FURTHER, UM, THE, THE SCALE OF CHICKENS THAT WE HAD DEVELOPED PREVIOUSLY, IT WOULD BE, UH, THE MAXIMUM TEN CHICKENS IN AN HOUR. 40. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY DISTRICT THAT WOULD PERMIT TEN CHICKENS. IT WOULD GO FROM TEN IN THE, HOUR, 40 TO 8 IN THE AH, 36 IN THE AH, 24 IN BOTH THE AH 15 AND THE AR TEN 
          [03:00:05]
AND THEN ONLY TWO IN THE AH, SEVEN AND A HALF AND R5. AND SO IT'S, IT'S SCALED IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CLOSER THE CLOSER YOU CAN GET TO THE, TO THE SIDE AND REAR BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE OF THE ZONING RESTRICTIONS LESSEN, THE FEWER NUMBER OF CHICKENS YOU. CAN HAVE. AND IT'S THE STRUCTURE WILL BE SMALLER, PRESUMABLY. 
          YEAH. YOU PRESUMABLY YOU'D HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT WOULD, UH, ACCOMMODATE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CHICKENS. AND I. 
          THINK YOU HAVE IT IN THERE RIGHT IN THE PLAN. 
          COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A SQUARE FOOT PER HEN. IS IT IN THERE? UH, COMMISSIONER, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S ANY DOCUMENTATION DICTATING, LIKE THE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE COOP PER HEN? IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          MR. PATEL, OR IN ANY SORT OF DRAFT DOCUMENT THAT HAD BEEN PUT TOGETHER? BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY INTERESTING POINT WHERE I THINKNK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAD WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE THE CHICKEN POLICE AND, AND ULTIMATELY, FROM A PERMITTING PERSPECTIVE, THEY WOULD INSPECT THE COOP BEFORE ANY CHICKENS WERE PURCHASED. AND THERE WAS THE RISK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WOULD GET A, YOU KNOW, PERMITTED CHICKEN COOP, BUT THEN WOULD JUST VIOLATE THE NUMBER OF CHICKENS THAT THAT THEIR ZONING DISTRICT PERMITTED. IF THERE WAS SOME SORT OF FORMULA FOR THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET PER CHICKEN, THAT WOULD THEN BE A WAY TO AT LEAST. 
          I THINK. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FORCE IN SIX CHICKENS IF YOU'RE ONLY ALLOWED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET WITHIN YOUR ZONING DISTRICT, BECAUSE THE EXPECTATION IS THAT COOP WOULD ONLY. 
          HAVE TWO CHICKENS. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          MAYBE I LOOKED IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, DID A LITTLE. YEAH. AND I THINK. AS PART OF. 
          AND I THOUGHT IT WAS. FOR THAT HAVE LIKE A SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT I. 
          THOUGHT IT WAS A. RATIO FOR SQUARE FOOT PER CHICKEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT AGAIN, MAXIMUM HEIGHT ON THAT COOP IS GOING TO BE FOUR FEET, RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO THE PROPOSED CODE NECESSARILY WRITTEN, UH, PART OF THE LIVING SPACE ALLOCATION OF 14FT  OF ENCLOSURE SPACE FOR CHICKEN OR, OR SQUARE. FEET, 14. 
          INSIDE THE COOP. OR WHAT. 
          WAS THAT? SO 14 INTO TOTAL ENCLOSURE AND THEN FOUR SQUARE FEET PER CHICKEN INSIDE THE COOP. SO YOU KNOW, THE CHICKEN COOP IDEA. TO CHICKEN. 
          FEET OR WHATEVER. AND THEN THE. AND WHERE AND. 
          WHERE DID AND WHERE DID THAT COME FROM. IS THAT FROM. 
          85. YEAH. NO, I MEAN LIKE LIKE WAS THAT BASED ON ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY'S STANDARD. 
          COMMUNITY BEACON OR UM, WHAT WAS THE OTHER? WE RELIED ON TWO MUNICIPALITIES, I BELIEVE. DO YOU RECALL THE MUNICIPALITIES? I DO NOT YEAH I DON'T OFF THE TOP OF. 
          IT WAS HER BACKYARD. YEAH. 
          SO SO IF. YOU COULD MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER TO THE EXTENT IT SEEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE THE BOARD FEELS THAT THAT MIGHT BE EXCESSIVE PER CHICKEN. UM, IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND SEE IF THERE'S OTHER STANDARDS, BECAUSE I DO REALLY LIKEE THIS CONCEPT WHERE THAT IS A WAY TO CONTROL FOR OVER POPULATING THE COOP RIGHT AFTER THE PERMIT IS ISSUED. IF, IF, IF WE'RE A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE WITHOUT BEING, YOU KNOW, CRUEL TO THE ANIMALS, UH, IF WE CAN BE CONSERVATIVE ON THE NUMBER OF SQUARE FEET PER CHICKEN, THEN THAT THAT WOULD BE THE THE CONTROL AGAINST SOMEONE BUILDING A COOP THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE AGAIN, THEIR DISTRICT MIGHT ONLY PERMIT TWO CHICKENS, BUT THEY'RE BUILDING A COOP THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATE TEN. AND THEN AFTER THEY'VE RECEIVED THE PERMIT, THEYEY'RE JUST GOING AND BUYING TEN CHICKENS AND PUTTING THEM IN. RIGHT. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT BALANCE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE NEEDS TO BE STRUCK SO THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOESN'T BECOME THE CHICKEN POLICE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT PERMITTING COOPS THAT THAT PARTICULARLY FACILITATE OVERPOPULATION. 
          ARE YOU. SITTING IN. 
          THEIR IS PROHIBITED FROM BUILDING MORE THAN ONE REQUIRES 30. I THINK I THINK THERE NEED TO BE MINIMUM AND MAXIMUMS. I THINK THEY'D NEED TO BE MINIMUM MAXIMUMS. A MAXIMUM OF 48FT  IN FULL COVERAGE FOR THE COOP. THAT'S FOR TEN OR JUST IN GENERAL. GENERAL. IN GENERAL, NO MORE THAN 48FT  FOR THE COOP. YEAH. SO I THINK WE'RE YEAH. 
          SO I THINK IF STAFF COULD COULD DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH AND, AND MAYBE COME UP WITH A SIMILAR SLIDING SCALE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. MAXIMUM, MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM PER CHICKEN. UM, THAT COULD BE SCALED ALL THE WAY FROM TWO CHICKENS TO TEN CHICKENS. THAT WOULD THEN CORRESPOND WITH T THE PERMITTED NUMBER OF CHICKENS PER ZONING DISTRICT. 
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YES. OKAY. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. YEAH. IT'S ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. WEINBERG. 
          PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHICKENS NOW THAT DON'T COMPLY, WHAT HAPPENS? THEY'RE GONNA HAPPEN. THEY TO COMPLY. OH NO CHICKENS. 
          YEAH. AND SO IF THEY'RE IF THEIR COOP IS TOO BIG, TOO SMALL, THEY HAVE TOO MANY CHICKENS AS, AS PERMITTED IN THEIR DISTRICT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO. 
          UH, DEMONSTRATE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE. 
          THAT THERE'S NO PRE-EXISTING NONCONFORMING BECAUSE IT'S NOT CURRENTLY COMPLIANCE. YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO IF THEY HAD TEN BUT THEY'RE IN A DISTRICT THAT ONLY PERMITS SIX. 
          OR IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS, IF THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, MEET. 
          WITH THE SETBACKS. YEAH. YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. THERE'S NO AS OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S NO GRANDFATHERING CURRENTLY. 
          THERE'S NO PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT ALLOWS FOR IT. SO THERE'S NO PRE-EXISTING NONCONFORMING USE. LIKE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WE WERE GOING TO DISCONTINUE AS FAR AS WE USED LIKE LET'S SAY ASPHALT PLANTS AS A NOXIOUS USE, WHATEVER IT IS, OR PIG FARMS. RIGHT. SEE THE SETBACK WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TO THE CENTER. RIGHT. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THE STRUCTURE NOW IS LESS THAN A SETBACK? THEN THEY MEAN. THEY COULD SEEK A VARIANCE. 
          OR THEY. CAN'T HAVE THAT. DO YOU MEAN THE COOP. YEAH. SO LET'S. 
          SAY THIS IS. THE THIS THE CENTER OF THIS IS 100FT LET'S SAY. BUT OUT HERE IT'S 80FT. AS FAR AS SETBACK TO THE STRUCTURE. THE COOP, THE COOP. 
          YEAH. NO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SEEK A VARIANCE OR MOVE IT. 
          MHM. SO THAT COULD BE ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          THEN. WELL SORRY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I'M TALKING ABOUTUT THE CURRENT ILLEGAL CHICKEN COOPS OR WHAT ARE YOU. TALKING ABOUT. NO NO NO I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN, IF YOU GO WITH THIS PLAN AND SAYING OKAY WE'LL HAVE IT CLOSER TO THE HOME BECAUSE IT MEETS US BACK FROM THE. NEXT MINIMUM. THE MINIMUM. 
          MINIMUM. THE MINIMUM SETBACK FROM THE HOME, THEY COULD HAVE IT FURTHER FROM THE HOME, AS LONG AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE SETBACKS FROM THE. 
          MINIMUM NOW ENCROACHES LESS THAN WHAT YOU HAVE USED AS A SETBACK, REGULATION OR RULE. SO LET'S SAY YOU SAID 50FT, BUT THE 50FT IS TO THE CENTER OF THE COOP. THE COOP IS BEING BUILT. WHATEVER SIZE IT IS, IS GOING TO NOW BE, LET'S SAY, 48FT FROM THAT CORNER TO THE NEXT PROPERTY. 
          OH, THEY NEED A VARIANCE. THEY WOULD. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S THE SAME AS IF SOMEONE WAS BUILDING A SHED OR BUILDING ANY STRUCTURE BECAUSE, I MEAN, AND IN BY DEFINITION STRUCTURES ARE 3D. AND SO THEY HAVE TO. 
          OKAY. YEAH, YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW. 
          SATISFY THEM. AND THEN THEY HAVE THE I THINK MATT SAID, WHAT, 14 SQUARE FOOT ROAMING SPACE PER CHICKEN. 
          RIGHT. THE OVERALL. SO YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT FENCED OUT.. THAT DOESN'T IT'S NOT A STRUCTURE. SO THAT'S FINE. 
          MATT, CAN YOU JUST RECITE THAT AGAIN? I THOUGHT IT WAS 1414FT . OF ENCLOSURE SPACE FOR A CHICKEN ENCLOSURE SPACE SHALL BE DEFINED HEREIN AS THE COMBINED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OUTSIDE ENCLOSURE SPACE. RIGHT. 
          OKAY. SO THAT'S. LIKE LIKE FENCING. 
          ITSELF AND INTERIOR SPACE. SO YEAH. SO THE FENCING AREA. 
          THE ENCLOSURE FENCED ENCLOSURE AS WELL AS THE COOP. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          SO THAT FENCE COULD BE FIVE FEET FROMM THE PROPERTY LINE POTENTIALLY. UM, WELL, IF THE SETBACK. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN A FENCE NOT ENCLOSING A CHICKEN COOP COULD BE FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. I MEAN, FENCES ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO BE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          YEAH. YEAH. RIGHT. I AGREE. 
          SO YOU COULD ENCROACH. NO, I'M SAYING NOW THERE'S A CHICKEN IN THERE THAT FLIES OVER FLIES. THE COOP.. 
          CURRENTLY REQUIRES THE ENCLOSURE SPACE TO BE SET BACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINES. AND YOU KNOW, THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES. UH, AND AS I JUST STATED, ENCLOSURE SPACE IS DEFINED TO INCLUDE THE OUTDOOR AREA AND THE INTERIOR COOP SPACE. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BECAUSE, NO, THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GO FIVE FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE, AS YOU KNOW, AS THE BOARD SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING, UH, FOR TWICE THE UNDERLYING ACCESSORY SETBACKS. 
          THEY WOULD THE FENCE WITH THE ENCLOSURE SPACE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT SETBACK. RIGHT. SO THE RECOMMENDATION PART OF IT COULD BE THE ENCLOSURE BEING SITUATED AS UH, CHAIRPERSON PINE INDICATED, DOUBLE THE ACCESSORY VERSUS SAYING THE COOP, THE ENCLOSURE AREA, WHICH WOULD BE ALL ENCOMPASSING. IT WOULD INCLUDE. WHICH WOULD MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSERVATIVE. YEAH. YEAH. 
          RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUILD A COOP WITHIN THE FENCE. RIGHT. 
          THAT'S. AND THEN SOMETHING ELSE AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE OF THE COOP AREA OR THE, THE STORAGE AREA, WHATEVER THAT WE JUST CALLED IT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WASTE. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FEED ALL OVEVER. HOW IS THAT GOING. SO THE FEED IS REQUIRED TO BE 
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CONTAINED IN A SEALED CONTAINER. 
          WASTE ISN'T. RIGHT, BUT WASTE. YOU HAVE TO CLEAN UP AFTER YOUR ANIMALS, JUST. 
          LIKE, YOU KNOW, CONCERN WOULD BE LIKE IF THERE'S HEAVY RAIN. 
          AND THIS JUST. IT'S NOT CLEANED UP. IT WASHES INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM OR, UM, YOU KNOW, TOWN STORMWATER OR THE WATERCOURSE OR YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. IF YOU'RE ON A SLOPE.. 
          I GUESS IF YOU HAD A COUPLE. DOGS, I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S THE. 
          SAME AS THE YARD. I THINK CHICKENS. 
          ARE ANY ANY ANIMAL. UH, NO. DOGS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PICK. 
          UP THERE, RIGHT? BUT YOU MEAN. SO THAT WOULD BE. 
          SUPPOSED TO, RIGHT? DISCHARGING OF WASTE OFF OF PROPERTY? UM, RODENTS. I WOULD WORRY ABOUT RODENTS. 
          YEAH. SO. SO THERE IS A SECTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT SANITARY AND AND PREVENTING, UM. 
          AND HAVING IT CODIFIED ALLOWS. OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO ENTER THE GROUNDS TO INSPECT. 
          RIGHT. WHEN THERE'S A COMPLAINT MADE. 
          IF YOU HAVE THIS MANY CHICKEN COOPS GOING IN, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TOUGH TIME. THEY GOT ENOUGH TO DO. 
          OH, I. KNOW THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, NOTED ALREADY. UM, RIGHT. IT'S WHETHER THEY'RE BROUGHT TO THE TOWN'S ATTENTION OR NOT. 
          NO. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY EVEN SAID, YOU KNOW, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION CERTAIN SETBACKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, MAYBE A GOOD THING BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO BECOME THE CHICKEN POLICE, YOU KNOW, NOR DO WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE STAFF, YOU KNOW, TIME TO DO SO. SO HAVING IT SHOWN ON A PLAN AND SURE, YOU KNOW, A CHICKEN'S GONNA FLY THE COOP AND THEY MIGHT GET A CALL. 
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
          WHERE IT COULD FIT. DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          WITH SIMILAR. IT MAY BE ONE EXAMPLE PER, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE'LL BE EXAMPLES. YEAH. MATT DID I THOUGHT A GOOD JOB AND. UM, YEAH, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL. 
          UM, I THINK IT, IT HELPED GUIDE NOT ONLY THE BOARD BUT STAFF AS WELL TO SAY, WHOA, YOU KNOW, 100FT. YOU'RE REALLY. NOT GOING TO GET THESE. IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY RESTRICTIVE. UM, YEAH. 
          SO I, I. I PERSONALLY. 
          THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT RATHER THAN WAITING FRIDAY BEFORE THURSDAY BEFORE THE MEETING. CAN WE GET IT EARLIER? WE CAN TRY AND KEY IN ON GETTING THESE OUT FOR NEXT WEDNESDAY. OKAY. ELECTRONICALLY, IF ANYONE WANTS A HARD COPY, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED TO ED ALL THE TIME ABOUT HARD COPIES. IF YOU WANT TO COME IN AND. 
          I ALWAYS LIKE TO COME. IN.. 
          GOOD. SO THAT IT MIGHT BE A FINAL DRAFT. OR ARE WE HAVING A. I THINK THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE. IT'S A NEAR FINAL DRAFT, AND WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO VOTE ON THE CEILING. 
          YEAH. AND REALLY LIKE I WOULD REALLY WANT TO NARROW IT TO THESE THREE TOPICS. UM, I FEEL LIKE WE, WE GOT SOME COMMENTARY AND, AND, AND SOME SLIGHT TWEAKS AND SOME QUESTIONS. 
          WE'LL READ LINE ACCORDINGLY. I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA READ LINE, YOU KNOW, UM, CAPITALIZATION OF TERMS OR COMMAS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE'RE RED LINE. ANYTHING SOMEWHAT SUBSTANTIVE. 
          AND THEN IF WE COULD, I THINK TO KEEP THE BOARD FOCUSED AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE'D BE GETTING THROUGH THIS OR THE BULK OF IT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE STARTED TO BEEF 
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UP THE AGENDAS WITH NEW ITEMS AND PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN KIND OF WAITING. UM, SO, LIKE THE NEXT MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS ON, SOME OF WHICH YOU HAVEN'T SEEN, SOME OF WHICH YOU HAVE. UM, SO I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON THESE DOCUMENTS NARROW TO THESE. SPECIFIC TOPICS. 
          SO THREE OR JUST THE TWO. IT'S ACTUALLY TWO. 
          IT'S REALLY TWO. I THINK IT'S JUST STORAGE AND CHICKENS. YEAH. UM, GREAT. SO THANK YOU ALL. I DID MEAN TO MAKE A COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, AND MR. WEINBERG REMINDED ME THROUGHOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, DURING DURING THE MEETING, UM, I DID JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE AND AND COMMEND, UH, MR. WEINBERG, MR. PATEL AND MISS ROBINSON, UM, WHO, ALONG WITH MYSELF, UM, ATTENDED THE BATTERY ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM CONFERENCE ON MONDAY. UM, YOU KNOW, PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND AND CONTINUING LEARNING IS SO IMPORTANT TO WHAT WE DO TO, TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND BE ABLE TO DO THE,E, THE WORK OF THE WORK OF THE BOARD. AND SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE THREE HOURS OUT OF YOUR YOUR MONDAY MORNING TO ATTEND THAT CONFERENCE. I HOPE YOU LEARN SOMETHING FROM IT. AND, UM. VERY HELPFUL, UH, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE ON THE BOARD FOR ALL OF THE TRAINING THAT I KNOW WE'RE DOING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. UM, AND AS, UH, AS COMMISSIONER DUQUESNE PREPARES HIS BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, I KNOW THAT THERE IS IS FUNDING INCLUDED, AS THERE HAD BEEN IN PREVIOUS YEARS FOR TRAINING AND CONFERENCES. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AS MUCH AS WE DO. YEAH. 
          SO WITH THAT SAID, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT, UH, 10:31 P.M.. SO MOVED, MR. PULLINGER, SECOND MISS ROBINSON. ALL IN FAVOR? UH, MEETING IS ADJ
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