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SORRY.[ TOWN OF GREENBURGH CONSERVATION ADVISORY COUNCIL Agenda MONDAY, August 3, 2020 – 5:45 P.M. ]
JUST A LITTLE INFORMATIONAL, UH, INFORMATION.UM, PAUL HAD SENT TO MIKE AND MYSELF, UM, AN EMAIL ABOUT A YOUNG WOMAN WHO HAD DONE A, UH, PRESENTATION ON COMPOSTING, STEPHANIE KORNBERG AND, UM, SAID, WELL, WOULD SHE LIKE TO KNOW, MAYBE WORK WITH US? SO I GAVE HER A CALL.
SEEMS LIKE A VERY NICE YOUNG LADY.
SHE HAD ACTUALLY, UM, A VERY GOOD, UM, SLIDE PRESENTATION SHE HAD DONE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE WAIST PAPER BASKETS ON THE WALKWAY, ON THE TAP AND Z BRIDGE ARE NOT REALLY VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.
YOU CAN ONLY RECYCLE AT EITHER END.
AND THE BASKETS ALONG THE BRIDGE ARE, UM, BASICALLY PLASTIC BAGS AND WIRE BASKETS AND STUFF GOES FLYING AND WHATNOT.
SO I SPOKE WITH HER AND, UM, SO SHE MAY BE JOINING US.
I POINTED OUT IT'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO LEARN ABOUT THE TOWN AND ALSO ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS THROUGH, UH, RESEARCH AND SCIENTIFIC POSITIONS.
AND, UM, LO AND SO SHE'S GONNA TRY AND JOIN US.
HOWEVER, WE MAY FALL VICTIM TO LOSING HER, UH, AS A KIND OF TO MENTOR HER, BECAUSE SHE'S VERY ACTIVE IN SPORTS.
SO HER COMMENT WAS, IT DEPENDS ON WHETHER THE SCHOOL OPENS OR NOT, WHETHER SHE'LL HAVE, UH, SPORTS PRACTICE.
AND THEN I ALSO RECEIVED, UH, FROM DOREEN, ANOTHER WOMAN, UM, RAZA
BUT I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW IT'S UNDERWAY.
ARE THERE ONE OR TWO OPEN POSITIONS? TWO OPEN POSITIONS.
SO IF YOU CAN THINK OF SOMEBODY ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED, HAS ERIN RESIGNED? SHE HASN'T, BUT THEORETICALLY SHE HAS BY NOT, UM, COMING TO A MEETINGS OR RESPONDING.
YOU KNOW, TERRY, I'M GONNA FORWARD YOU AN EMAIL I RECEIVED FROM ERIN.
AND, UM, I, I, I THINK I GOT IT, UM, PERHAPS LATE LAST WEEK AND, AND, AND I SHOULD HAVE FORWARDED IT, BUT, UM, ERIN DID REACH OUT AND, UM, HER LINE OF WORK IS VERY, UM, INTENSE WITH, WITH, WITH THE PANDEMIC.
UM, BUT NONETHELESS, SHE DID ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, SHE APOLOGIZED FOR NOT BEING ON MORE OFTEN, AND I'LL FORWARD THAT TO YOU.
BUT I, I DEFINITELY RECALL SHE DID NOT INDICATE, UH, A DESIRE TO BE OFF THE COMMITTEE.
BUT, UM, LET'S, LET'S DO THIS.
LET ME GET YOU THAT EMAIL AND WE WILL SEE WHAT IT SAYS.
I, I CERTAINLY THINK IF WE CAN FIND SOMEONE ELSE, THEN WE HAVE TO APPROACH HER, BECAUSE THIS IS, HE'S BEEN ABSENTED MISSING SINCE, YOU KNOW, MARCH, WHICH, OKAY.
AND NOT EVEN, AND I MEAN, I REALIZE SHE'S VERY BUSY, BUT I MEAN, THERE HASN'T EVEN BEEN AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF EMAILS GOING OUT AT ANY POINT.
LEMME JUST MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION.
THE, UH, THE STUDENT, THE STUDENT, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT SCHOOL SHE'S AT, IS NOT, WHEN TERRY SAYS JOIN, SHE DOES, SHE MEANS ATTEND A MEETING OR, SO SHE DOESN'T MEAN JOIN AS A MEMBER.
THE OTHER, THE OTHER LADY, UH, IS A POTENTIAL MEMBER, BUT, UH, NOW OF COURSE, WE, WE, WE CAN HAVE A STUDENT MEMBER, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A VOTING FULL MEMBER FOR SOMEONE THAT'S IN HIGH SCHOOL OR JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL OR WHATEVER.
I, I THINK WE'VE APPROACHED THIS IN THE PAST AND REALIZED IT COULD CAUSE, UM, CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO ISN'T OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE, MAKING VOTING ON RECOMMENDATIONS AND DECISIONS.
SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S A NICE OPPORTUNITY TO MENTOR THE NEXT GENERATION IF THAT CAN WORK OUT.
SO, GETTING TO OUR AGENDA, I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE, EXCUSE ONE SECOND.
UH, TERRY, JARED, JUST, UH, VERY HAPPY IF THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE, BUT JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE WHO'S IN THE ROOM, SO TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IS IT, UH, WHO, UH, WHO'S WHO, WHO, UH, DO WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE? YES.
SO WE HAVE, UM, DOREEN LIPSON, UH, RESIDENT, AND, UM, WE HAVE MAX MAHALIK, AND HE'S WITH STEINMETZ, UM, INTERESTED IN THE BRIGHTVIEW PROJECT IN REPRESENTING THE, UH, BRIGHTVIEW METRO BRIGHTVIEW METROPOLIS PROJECT.
JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHO'S HERE.
AND THE FIRST THING WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS CONTINUING WORK ON THE TREE LAW.
AND MIKE AND I HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH AARON AND, UM, MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, PROBABLY SOMETIME THIS WEEK, WE'LL SEND YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE REVISED.
UM, WE'VE CHANGED THE FORMAT BASED
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ON WHAT YOU SAID, BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT, UH, IT, WE TRIED TO GET IT SO THAT EVERY INSTRUCTION IS A SEPARATE LINE AND THE ACTUAL INSTRUCTION, UH, LIKE TAB OR, OR, OR SELECT IS BOLDED.SO IT'S A CONSISTENT PATTERN IN TERMS OF YOUR EYE FLOW.
SO I THINK YOU'LL BE PLEASED WITH THE CHANGES.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF IDEAS, BUT I SEE, OKAY.
DID EVERYONE SEE GARRETT'S LITTLE MESSAGE TO YOU THAT IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, IF YOU COULD MUTE? 'CAUSE SHARON, PETER, IF YOU CAN MUTE SO THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LESS NOISE IN THE BACKGROUND, AND WE'LL HAVE TO REMEMBER TO UNMUTE OURSELVES WHEN WE WANNA TALK.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO NOISE HERE.
SO THEN WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, I'M GONNA HAVE TO MUTE AND I'M GONNA HAVE TO LET MIKE TALK BECAUSE, UM, HE WANTED TO BRING US UP TO DATE ON THE EXCESS FOOD, UM, PROJECT.
UM, I HAVE, I HAVE GOOD NEWS, UH, IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PROJECT WE STARTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO, UM, UM, HAVE THE NEW YORK LEGISLATURE ENACT THE LAW THAT WOULD REQUIRE SUPERMARKETS TO GIVE, UM, NOT, UH, OR TO MAKE AVAILABLE, UH, EXCESS FOOD THAT THEY WERE OTHERWISE THROWING AWAY, TO HAVE THEM MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO ENTITIES THAT, UH, FEED, UH, THE NEEDY, UM, UH, UH, FOR FREE, UM, UH, SUCH AS CHURCHES OR, UH, FOOD BANKS.
UM, THE, UM, THE BILL PASSED, UM, UM, THE ASSEMBLY IN, UH, IT WAS FEBRUARY OR MARCH, UH, AND, UH, JUST LAST WEEK, IT PASSED THE UNITED, UH, THE, UH, NEW YORK STATE SENATE.
UH, SO NOW THE PROCESS IS THAT IT WOULD GO TO, UM, I GUESS, DELIVERED TO THE GOVERNOR.
AND THE GOVERNOR HAS 30 DAYS SINCE THE LEGISLATURE'S NOT IN SESSION, BE THE SIGN OF VETO THE BILL.
UM, THE DELIVERY, I'M NOT EXACTLY CLEAR ON WHAT THE DELIVERY PROCESS IS.
UM, UH, FOR A, UM, OF, UH, ON A BILL THAT'S PASSED BOTH HOUSES IN THE NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATURES, THE GOVERNOR, I AM TOLD THAT IT SOMETIMES TAKES SEVERAL MONTHS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN OLD SAYING, UM, UH, ONE OF MY LAW PARTNERS THAT, UH, USED TO PLAY FOOTBALL, THE HOLY CROSS USED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, DON'T GIVE OUT GAME BALLS AT HALFTIME.
SO, UH, WE, IT HAS TO BE SIGNED BY THE, UM, UH, BY THE GOVERNOR.
AND I WOULD JUST, UM, ADVISE, UH, NOT MAKING A LOT OF, UH, PUBLICITY ABOUT THIS UNTIL WE, UH, SEE WHAT, UM, WHAT THE GOVERNOR, UH, WHAT THE GOVERNOR DOES.
UM, BUT IT, IT IS GENERALLY IT'S GOOD NEWS.
IT'S, IT'S GONE THROUGH, UH, BOTH HOUSES IN THE NEW YORK STATE LEGISLATURE AND NOW, UH, AND I'LL REPORT TO YOU AS SOON AS I FIND OUT, UM, UH, WHAT THE, YOU KNOW, IF THE GOVERNOR'S GONNA SIGN IT, IT'LL VETO IT.
THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL GOOD NEWS THERE.
UH, THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE, UM, PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH GARRETT AND AARON, HAS BEEN MY, THE WORKUP THAT MIKE HAS BEEN TRYING TO DO TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, GUIDELINES TO TRY AND DECODE, UH, SEEKER THE, THE GREAT MYSTERY HANDBOOK,
UM, IT SEEMED AS THOUGH IF THEY COULD SAY IT IN A COMPLICATED WAY, THEY ALWAYS CHOSE THE PHRASEOLOGY THAT MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THAN A STRAIGHTFORWARD KIND OF APPROACH TO IT.
BUT I THINK THAT'S MOVING ALONG, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE SORT OF GOING OVER WHAT'S THE FINAL SORT OF AGREED, UM, ON THAT.
MIKE, DO YOU WANNA COMMENT ON THAT? I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WANTED TO THANK GARRETT, UM, AND AARON FOR SPENDING THE TIME TO, UH, REVIEW IT.
UM, AND I, DURING THE MONTH OF AUGUST, I'M GOING TO TRY TO,
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UH, PUT IT TOGETHER IN A SLIGHTLY MORE FORMAL FORMAT AS A GUIDE AND, UH, AND, AND, AND POINT OUT THAT, UH, THEY MADE SEVERAL, UH, VERY, UH, VERY HELPFUL COMMENTS, UH, YES, THAT WE HAVE ADDED INTO IT.AND WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH, UH, WITH GARRETT AND ON SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, SECRETS, NOT EXACTLY THE CLEAREST WRITTEN LAW THAT THE LEGISLATURE VOTE.
AND WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, GARRETT, AND WE BASICALLY, UH, OF THE SAME VIEW ON VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING.
AND SO, UH, AND THEN I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS, OUR TOWN BOARD LIAISON, UH, UH, KEN JONES, UM, WHO, UH, SUGGESTED WE OUGHT TO FORWARD THIS ONWARD TO THE, UH, UM, UH, UH, UH, FIRST I GUESS TO THE TOWN BOARD TO JUST BE SURE, YOU KNOW, SINCE THAT'S WHO APPOINTED US.
AND WE REPORT TO BE SURE THAT THE TOWN BOARD IS OKAY WITH EVERYTHING.
AND THEN PER KEN'S SUGGESTION FORWARDED ON TO, UH, THE Z B A AND THE PLANNING BOARD.
AND, UM, UM, SO IT WAS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SO ONCE WE DO IT, EVERYONE WILL BE EXPECTED TO READ IT, AND TESTS WILL BE GIVEN, UH, IN THE FALL, FALL.
BUT BY THE WAY, I, I SEE THE KEY IS NOW ON.
CAN WE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON, WHEN WE DISCUSSED, UM, UH, THE EXCESS FOOD ACT.
DO YOU WANT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO IT OR, UH, I, I CAUGHT THE TAIL END OF WHAT YOU SAID.
I'M, I'M SURE YOU, YOU'VE COVERED IT, YOU'RE ANYTHING BUT THOROUGH.
YEAH, I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS NEVER WOULD'VE HAPPENED EXCEPT FOR KEN'S, UM, RELATIONSHIP WITH ANDREA, STU, SENATOR ANDREW STEWART COUSINS, WHO IS THE, UM, UM, UH, LEADER OF THE, UH, SENATE.
UH, KEN AND I BOTH MET WITH, UH, UM, UH, SENATOR AND, UH, NAN SEVERAL TIMES AND MET WITH, UH, UH, SENATOR, UH, STEWART COUSINS, I THINK THREE, IF NOT FOUR TIMES.
AND, UM, SO, UM, WHAT, UH, UH, KEN IS IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE IN, UH, IN ALBANY.
AND SO, UH, AS SOON AS HE KNOWS SOMETHING, SURE HE'LL, HE'LL LET US KNOW.
WELL, CERTAINLY IT WAS THE C A C WHO THREW THE BALL.
I JUST CAUGHT THE PASS AND RAN WITH IT.
IRAN, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING, KEN.
IT TAKES BOTH TO MAKE A TOUCHDOWN.
SO WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DID THE REPORT, AND AS I THINK I HAD MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY KIND OF WELL RECEIVED AT THE PLANNING BOARD AND REALLY STARTED EVERYONE KIND OF THINKING ABOUT THIS METROPOLIS PROJECT, HOW WE WOULD BEST APPROACH IT FOR THE INTEREST OF THE TOWN GOING FORWARD, THE ENVIRONMENT.
IT SORT OF, AS A RESULT OF THAT REPORT, SORT OF MADE EVERYONE STOP AND, UM, THINK ABOUT, UH, WELL, WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANNA DO HERE? AND, YOU KNOW, GARRETT, YOU KNOW, STEPPED RIGHT UP TO THE PLATE AND HE GOT INVOLVED, AND WE KIND OF LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH ON THIS AND, UM, SORT OF MODIFY THE APPROACH.
AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS WE HAVE TWO THINGS, BASICALLY.
UM, ONE IS AN ACTUAL PIECE OF, UH, CODE, AND THE OTHER ONE IS A FOLLOW-UP RESOLUTION THAT, UM, I THINK WE MAYBE WANNA GO INTO.
AND MIKE, DO YOU WANNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF TALKING AND EXPLAINING ON THIS, THAT YOU'RE ALWAYS THE LAWYER HERE? OH, TERRY, IF I COULD JUST CORRECT ONE THING, UH, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, I THINK WHAT'S ABOUT TO BE DISCUSSED IS A VERY VIABLE CONCEPT.
I JUST THINK, UM, THE EVOLUTION, IT REALLY KIND OF ORGANICALLY CAME FROM THE, UH, PLANNING BOARD, UM, VICE CHAIR AND CHAIR, AS WELL AS THE C A C CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY, YOU GUYS REALLY CAME TO ME WITH SOME IDEAS.
UM, AND THEN I SORT OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST TRIED MY BEST TO ASSIST IN TERMS OF HOW ZONING AND THE, AND THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THAT WORK.
SO, UH, I THINK DEFINITELY A VIABLE IDEA.
I JUST, UH, I, I REALLY DO THINK IT EMANATED FROM, FROM YOUR TWO BOARDS, AND I'M JUST LOOKING TO ASSIST IN THAT REGARD.
AND, AND YOU DID A WONDERFUL AND TIMELY QUICK ASSIST ON THAT, AND WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, IT WAS, IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT YOU PRESENTED IS, UH, UH, AN ABSOLUTELY, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTUALLY WORKABLE AND TECHNICALLY A FIRST RATE, UH, UH, A JOB.
AND, UH, UM, UM, THE, UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS THE, THERE, TERRY SENT
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AROUND AROUND LUNCHTIME, I THINK EARLY AFTERNOON.UM, THERE'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE, AND I'LL SKIP OVER LOTS OF THE TECHNICAL STUFF, WHICH IS NE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, POLICY.
UM, UH, THAT GEARS IS PUT IN HERE.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED, BUT IT'S NOT POLICY.
UH, BUT THE KIND OF THE POLICY GUTS IS THAT THE, A NEW SPECIAL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SPECIAL PERMITS IN TOWN OF GREENBURG SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD LORD CREATED DIRT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S ALL WE'VE EVER HAD.
WE HAVE ZONING, WE HAVE 20 ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU HAVE ZONING AS OF RIGHT, AND YOU CAN GET A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR SOME OTHER THINGS, AND THEY'RE LISTED.
AND, UM, WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS CREATES A ZONING, A SPECIAL PERMIT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS FOR C C SS.
UM, NOW, UH, GARRETT HAS USED THE BASIC DEFINITION, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORD FOR WORD THE SAME, BUT IN SUBSTANCE.
IT'S THE SAME OF WHAT, UH, BRIGHTVIEW THE APPLICANT BRIGHTVIEW HAS PROPOSED.
AND HE HAS USED THE, UM, THE BASIC SIZE DIMENSIONS THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, BRIGHTVIEW, UH, UM, PROPOSED FOR CCFS.
UM, AND, BUT WHAT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THAT, UM, UH, IS, IS THE, IS THE FOLLOWING THAT THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS SIX ACRES, BUT IT CAN BE REDUCED TO FIVE ACRES WHERE THERE IS A CONSERVATION EASEMENT OF AT LEAST ONE ACRE ON AN ADJACENT PARCEL.
THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE TOWN BOARD, AND IT HAS TO BE RECORDED IN THE WESTCHESTER COUNTY LAND RECORDS.
UM, THE, UM, GARRETT HAS INSERTED, AND IT'LL ALSO HAVE TO BE, UH, SOME OTHER TECHNICAL MEMBERS TO THE ZONING CODE.
BUT THEY, UM, AND THE C A C HAS PREVIOUSLY SUPPORTED THIS, THAT, UH, THERE'S AT LEAST A 4,000 FOOT LINEAR FOOT SEPARATOR BETWEEN ANY SENIOR, BETWEEN THE EDGES OF ANY SENIOR HOUSING, UH, UH, PROJECTS.
UM, THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE ON A STATE ROAD, BUT THE, UH, TOWN BOARD CAN, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE TOWN BOARD, UH, UH, THERE CAN BE A SHARED DRIVEWAY, UH, THAT IS, SO IF IT GOES ONTO A REAL LARGE PROPERTY, THIS THING COULD BE BACK SOME, UH, FROM, UH, FROM, UH, THE VISIBILITY OF WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE.
UM, THERE, UM, THE REST OF THE STUFF IS THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED AT LEAST SINCE THE JANUARY, UM, JANUARY AND FEBRUARY IN TERMS OF SIZING, UM, THE HEIGHT IS 40 FEET, THREE STORIES AND 40 FEET.
AND I KNOW THE HEIGHT'S BEEN A BIG PROBLEM FOR THE C A C, BUT WHETHER TOPOGRAPHY OR LANDSCAPING OR OTHER SITE CONDITIONS PROVIDE ADEQUATE SCREENING, THE TOWN BOARD CAN INCREASE THE HEIGHT TO FOUR STORIES.
SO THE TOWN BOARD WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE, UM, SCREENING AND THE VIEW LINES, UM, UM, UH, ARE ADEQUATE FOR THE, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY TO BE FOUR STORIES, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS.
UM, THE, THERE WILL BE, UH, UH, THE APPLICATIONS HAVE TO ADDRESS THE SETASIDE HAS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I PERSONALLY RECALL SEEING THAT IN THE BRIGHTVIEW APPLICATION.
THAT JUST MAY BE, UH, MAY A FAULT OF MINE, IT MAY WELL BE THERE.
BUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS OF COURSE, A POLICY, UH, OF THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.
UM, UH, AND, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT, UH, THE FACILITY DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT UPON THE TOWN.
UM, BEFORE I GO ON TO THE NEXT, UM, KIND OF SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT, I THINK WHEN THE C A C DISCUSSES THIS, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION, I JUST WANT TO ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER IF HE WOULD WANT, WANT TO CRACK OR SUPPLEMENT ANYTHING I SAID ABOUT THE TECHN, ABOUT, ABOUT THE, UH, THE ZONING, UH, THE ZONING AMENDMENTS? OH, I THINK I, MIKE, I APPRECIATE, I THINK THAT WAS A VERY GOOD BACKGROUND.
UM, I THINK VERY NOTEWORTHY IS, UM, HOW WOULD THIS PROCESS PLAY OUT? UM, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THOSE INPUTS OR CRITERIA, I ALMOST THINK OF THEM AS PROTECTIONS.
UM, HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT AS FAR AS, YOU
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KNOW, WE'RE 18 SQUARE MILES AND WE HAVE 75% OF THE LAND IN THE TOWN OF GREENBERG ZONE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY.HOW DOES WHAT YOU JUST SAID TRANSLATE INTO, UM, YOU KNOW, FUTURE POTENTIAL? SO WE HAVE EVALUATED THAT.
AND WHEN YOU ADD IN A LOT OF THOSE INPUTS, LIKE YOU JUST NAMED THE SIX FOOT MINIMUM, UH, THE 4,000 LINEAR FOOT SEPARATION, THE PROXIMITY TO A STATE ROAD, WHAT HAPPENS IS, UM, IT BECOMES A VERY, UH, CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.
AND WHEN I SAY CONSERVATIVE, UM, YOU CAN ALMOST SUBSTITUTE THE WORD LIMITED, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INDICATES THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S E M S CHALLENGES WITH, WITH THESE USES, RIGHT? UH, WE KNOW OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKS ABOUT, UM, IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY OF, OF THESE USES IN, YOU KNOW, BUILDINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, OF, OF SIZABLE MASS, UM, CLUSTERED IN ONE AREA, IT CAN HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO OVERWHELM A NEIGHBORHOOD OR CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER.
SO THOSE, THOSE WERE ALWAYS THE, UM, KIND OF THE, THE, THE MAIN THINGS OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WHEN YOU BUILD IN THIS LOCAL LAW, THE, UM, AVAILABLE POOL OF SITES WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONES IS ACTUALLY, UH, VERY SMALL.
AND, UM, THEY'RE MAPPED, AND THAT MAP WILL BE POSTED ON THE WEB.
I MEAN, I CAN SHARE IT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S SO IN MY BRAIN, I CAN JUST RATTLE IT OFF RIGHT NOW.
TELL BRIGHTVIEW METROPOLIS SITE, UH, YOU HAVE, AND I'M GONNA SAY ONE OR THE OTHER, AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY.
IN, IN, IN A MOMENT, YOU'VE GOT EITHER THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF OR NORWOOD COUNTRY CLUB.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THEM, THEY'RE BOTH ON NOEL WOOD ROAD.
THEY'RE BOTH WELL IN EXCESS OF SIX ACRES, RIGHT? THEY, THEY COULD BE EACH GREATER THAN 50 ACRES.
UM, AND, UM, THEY'RE NEITHER, NEITHER OF THOSE SITES ARE WITHIN 4,000 FEET OF A, LIKE, SENIOR SPECIALIZED HOUSING.
UM, SO WHEN I SAY, OR, UM, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT LOOKING TO INDUCE A RACE AMONGST THOSE TWO OWNERS TO APPLY FOR A C C F, BUT BECAUSE THEY MEET THE CHARACTERISTICS, WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE 4,000 FOOT RULE, IF YOU WILL CALL, IF WE CAN CALL IT THAT, UM, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE IF ONE WERE APPROVED, IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY RING OUT THE OTHER.
UM, AND LASTLY, UM, I'M GONNA USE THE WORD OR AGAIN, UM, I'M GONNA SAY, UH, NO WOOD COUNTRY CLUB, THE GOLF COURSE OR PROSPERO NURSERY, IF YOU LOOK ON A MAP, THEY'RE ACTUALLY WITHIN 4,000 FEET OF EACH OTHER.
UM, SO CONCEIVABLY, IF NOEL WOOD COUNTRY CLUB ACTUALLY FELT THAT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY AND INTEREST AND WHATNOT, AND THEY FELT THAT IT COULD WORK ON THEIR SITE, AND THEY APPLIED AND WERE APPROVED, IT WOULD RING OUT THE OTHER TWO SITES.
AND ACTUALLY WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ENABLE TWO CCS IN THE TOWN, IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH, UM, UM, I, AGAIN, I CALL IT A CONSERVATIVE APPROACH.
I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE APPROACH.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE THAT CONTEXT AS FAR AS WHAT DOES IT MEAN IN SINGLE FAMILIES ZONE.
JUST FOR CLARITY, IT, WHEN YOU SAY TWO, IT'S TWO OTHERS, IT'S THIS ONE PLUS TWO OTHERS.
UM, IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT A MAP, IT COULD CONCEIVABLY, CONCEIVABLY BE THE SITE ON DODGE FERRY ROAD AT METROPOLIS, RIGHT? UM, COULD BE, UH, SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF, AND I HAVE RIGHT, NO INKLING THAT THERE'S ANY INTEREST THERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THEY MEET THE TRAITS.
AND THEN ACTUALLY PROSPERO, WHICH IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WELL ESTABLISHED NURSERY THAT WE ALL, YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THEM TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE, BUT TECHNICALLY, UH, THEY ARE A LITTLE MORE THAN 4,000 FEET FROM THE PERIMETER OF SCHOOL, FROM THE DEPTH.
SO, UM, IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONCEIVABLY WOULD HAPPEN.
AND AGAIN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SPECIAL PERMIT PROCESS.
SO I'M JUST MEETING ELIGIBLE SITES THAT, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY MEET THE MAJOR PRICE CITING CRITERIA THAT, UH, MIKE, YOU, YOU, YOU WALKED US THROUGH.
WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT SITES THAT IF THEY WERE GRANTED A, YOU KNOW, 2000% VARIANCE, UM, LIKE THE SHELL BORNE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WELL, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE, THE VARIANCE PROCESS IS ALWAYS A, UM, I GUESS I CAN USE THE WORD WILD CARD, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T TELL SOMEONE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, HAVE ZERO, RIGHT? TO APPLY FOR A ZONING VARIANCE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'RE RE LEGISLATING, WE'RE PUTTING IN THE 4,000 FOOT AND THERE, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAVEN'T WRITTEN THE RESOLUTION THAT APPROVES THAT YET, RIGHT? WE HAVE A PROCESS STILL AND SOME PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONCE THAT RESOLUTION IDENTIFIES THE REASONS WE'RE DOING THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ESTABLISH THAT YOU, YOU HAVE CONCERNS FOR, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH PROLIFERATION AND ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER CONCERNS.
UM, YOU KIND OF HAVE THAT, UM, ON PAPER AND, AND THAT BECOMES DOCUMENTATION THAT A Z B A WOULD'VE TO THINK ABOUT.
SO, AND THE REFERENCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THINK ABOUT THE Z B A, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I,
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I'M JUST DEALING WITH ZONING COMPLIANCE SITES, IF YOU'LL, AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS YOU PLUS THE, PLUS THE REFERENCE TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, ALL, YOU KNOW, ZONING, UH, AND PLANNING IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER NEW YORK LAW IS SUPPOSED TO BE, UH, UM, IN CONFORMITY WITH, SO YOU HAVE THAT TOO, WHICH I ASSUME WILL GO INTO THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE AS YOU, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, WHEN YOU STARTED OFF, YOU KNOW, THE, AN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE ANTECEDENT OF THIS 4,000 FOOT, UH, SEPARATOR IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POINT.AND I THINKS GOOD ALSO WITH THIS, WITH THIS, WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT IT HAS TO BE ON A STATE ROAD, WHICH IS NOW YOU.
SO I THINK THAT'S A HARDER THING TO, UM, APPEAL IN TERMS OF SAYING, UM, WELL, WHY, WHY X AMOUNT OF FEET FROM THE STATE ROAD? WHY NOT X PLUS 500? NOW WE'RE INTO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE COMING IN AND SAYING, WELL, NOT ON A STATE ROAD ON, ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
I THINK THAT'S A BIGGER ASK IN TERMS OF A ZONING ASK.
UH, THE, THE LANGUAGE ABOUT, UM, VIA ACCESS TO BE VIA SIDE STREET AND SHALL NOT BE CIRCUITOUS IS ACTUALLY NOT AN ELEMENT OF, UH, THE PRESENT C C F LOCAL LAW.
SO, AND THERE'S NOT A HELL OF A LOT OF, OF AMBIGUITY ABOUT THE WORD ON.
SO I, I CAN, YOU SHOULD JUST, SO YOU AS MEMBER OF TOWN BOARD, NO, THIS IS SOMETHING, UM, GARRETT HAS, UM, SPENT A LOT OF BRAIN TIME THINKING ABOUT AND ADVISING ON MM-HMM.
THE POTENTIALS ARE WHERE THE POTENTIALS ARE.
HAS, HAS REALLY, I THINK, BEEN, YOU KNOW, VERY HELPFUL IN A LOT OF WAYS.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS I AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS, THIS, THIS ISSUE OF, UH, UH, BUT THERE IS STILL DISCRETION IN THE TOWN BOARD, THE ZONING BOARD TO HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY, LIKE IF YOUS SUNK SOMETHING BACK DEEP INTO, UH, THE SCHOOL FOR THE DEAF.
AND NOW THE OTHER THING THAT'S PART AND PARCEL OF AT LEAST WHAT HARRY AND I WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE, UM, UM, C H C IS A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD APPOINT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.
WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND YOU KNOW, HOW THE C A C FEELS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE FEEL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PART OF OUR OBLIGATION TO, UM, UM, UM, KIND OF DEFEND AND BE IN CONFORMITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU KNOW, SAYS THAT, UH, THE TOWN IS TO EXPLORE SPECIAL PERMITS FOR A WHOLE VARIETY OF, UH, SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES.
AND, UM, WHAT THIS RESOLUTION DOES, THE TOWN BOARD WOULD APPOINT A FIVE PERSON, UH, COMMITTEE, UM, TO STUDY SENIOR HOUSING IN GENERAL.
AND THAT'S BROADER THAN FACILITIES.
BUT THE FIRST THING THEY'D DO WOULD BE REPORT ON FACILITIES.
AND THE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE WOULD BE MEMBER OF THE TOWN BOARD, PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMAN SHEEN SINCE HE WAS, UM, UM, CHAIR OF THE, UH, COMP, UH, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STEERING COMMITTEE.
UH, A MEMBER FROM, UM, THE PLANNING BOARD, A MEMBER FROM THE, UH, UH, Z B A A MEMBER FROM THE C A C AND THE COMMISSIONER OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION.
'CAUSE WITHOUT HIS IMPACT, IMPACT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, UH, SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE THE FIVE MEMBER, UH, OF THIS COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE A TIME PERIOD.
UH, THERE'D BE KIND OF A TWO STAGE, UH, KIND OF TWO STAGES.
UM, UH, THE BROADER SCOPE IS ALL OF SENIOR HOUSING.
THE FIRST STAGE IS SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES, AND THE COMMITTEE WOULD HAVE TO ISSUE ITS REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS.
UM, UH, THE COMMITTEE WOULD, UH, BE REQUIRED, UH, AND THEN THE COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE WOULD THEN BROADER, UH, UM, WOULD, WOULD STUDY BROADER, BROADER SENIOR HOUSING ISSUES.
'CAUSE THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANNA STAY IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GO INTO FACILITY.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES AND THINGS THE TOWN MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO ASSIST IN THAT.
UM, THE COMMITTEE WOULD, UH, COORDINATE WITH THE, UM, GREENBERG AGAINST SUS SYSTEMIC RACISM COMMITTEE THAT'S RECENTLY BEEN APPOINTED BY THE TOWN BOARD.
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THAT'S HEADED UP BY COUNCILWOMAN, UH, UH, JACKSON.AND, UM, AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE THE COMMITTEE TO DO, THE RESOLUTION SAYS COMMITTEE SHOULD ENDEAVOR TO CONSULT WITH SENIORS LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE, AS TERRY HAS POINTED OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF THE USERS.
SO THEIR VIEWS ARE KIND OF IMPORTANT.
AND ALSO CONSULT WITH REPRESENTATIVES OR DEVELOPERS OF SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES.
I MEAN, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPER VIEWS ARE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, THOUGH I DON'T THINK THEY'RE NECESSARILY DISPOSITIVE, BUT, UH, THEY ARE CERTAINLY INFORMED VIEWS.
SO, UM, THAT IS WHAT, UM, KIND OF THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS, AND TERRY AND I WOULD BE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE LOCAL LAW PERMITTING THE C C F OF THIS SIZE FOREVER, FOREVER, FOREVER.
UH, UH, I THINK WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, UH, THIS ONE SITE HERE.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT YOGI SAID.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING, YOU CAN GET LOST.
WE REALLY THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A, A RATIONAL AND MEASURED, UM, UM, A STUDY, WHICH IS WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR.
AND IN FACT, IT COULD BE THE CASE THAT THIS COMMITTEE WOULD EXPAND, UM, WHAT COULD BE DONE IN TERMS OF, UH, SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES, FOR EXAMPLE.
IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE, SAY, MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THE COMMITTEE WOULD, COULD STUDY, UM, IS, OR, OR SHOULD STUDY.
'CAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS SPECIFICALLY THE RESOLUTION SAYS, SHOULD STUDY LOOKING ABOUT WHETHER THERE WOULD BE FACILITIES OF A LARGER SIZE ON SMALLER LOTS IN NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
AS TERRY'S POINTED OUT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS ON THE THREE MAJOR CORRIDORS, UH, THAT SHOULD BE A PLACE TO EXPLORE SITING, UM, UM, SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES.
SO I, I I I, IT, WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY, THIS COMMITTEE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE LIMITED TO THREE SITES FOR C C SS.
UH, IT COULD BE EXPANDED, UH, AND WE COULD, THERE COULD BE DIFFERENTIAL, UM, UH, REQUIREMENTS IN RESIDENTIAL AND NON.
SO AGAIN, LET ASK THE COMMISSIONER IF HE HAS ANYTHING HE WANTED, WANTS TO ADD TO THAT.
UM, I, I THINK, UM, YOU LAID IT OUT VERY WELL, MIKE.
UH, ONE OF THE, UM, SMALL DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN, UM, SMALL BUT NOT UNIMPORTANT DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN, UH, THE, THE FLOATING ZONE CONCEPT, UH, WHICH WAS A TOWN-WIDE POTENTIAL CONCEPT, UM, VERSUS THE, UH, THE SPECIAL PREVENT THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS IS THE FLOATING ZONE WOULD HAVE HAD LIMITED APPLICABILITY IN THE, UM, THREE MIXED USE CORRIDORS.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO SOME OF THE POINTS YOU MADE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT ALMOST ASSIGNED THE SAME, UH, SETBACKS AND MINIMUM LOT SIZE THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
AND I THINK PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT WHAT YOU'RE STATING HERE IS, LET'S JUST DRILL DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER.
AND, UM, IT MAY BE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BEING ON, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MIXED USE QUARTERS, YOU COULD HAVE A SITE ON A, UH, SMALLER SITE AND, UH, OR, OR USE OF THIS NATURE ON A SMALLER SITE.
AND, UM, YOU MAY MAKE THAT CASE FOR AN ASSISTED LIVING.
IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE AN A L F.
AND, UM, UH, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY VALIDITY TO THAT.
SO, UM, UH, YEAH, I THINK YOU GAVE A GOOD OVERVIEW.
AND, UH, COUNCILMAN JONES, I DID NOTE TO THE C A C THE WORK THAT, UM, COUNCILWOMAN JACKSON'S DOING WITH THE, UM, THE, THE, THE GREEN, UH, GREENBERG AGAINST SYSTEMIC RACISM, UM, TASK FORCE AND COMMITTEE.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THEY WILL HAVE FIVE SILOS, AND ONE OF THE MAJOR SILOS, UM, WILL BE TO LOOK AT HOUSING EQUITY AND HOUSING DIVERSITY.
SO, UM, UM, THERE COULD BE SOME SYNERGY HERE FOR SURE.
SO, UM, YEAH, I THINK, UH, UH, I THINK, UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BE A PART OF, UM, WHAT, WHAT MIKE SORT OF LAID OUT THE BACKBONE OUT THERE.
SO WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD NOW DO, UNLESS THE CHAIR WANTS TO DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY, IS I THINK THE C A C MEMBERS SHOULD DISCUSS WHAT, UH, THE COMMISSION HAS PREPARED FOR US.
UM, THEN, UH, AFTER WE HAVE A DISCUSSION, WE SHOULD SEE IF ANY OF, UH, UH, OUR GUESTS, UH, WOULD LIKE, UH, TO DISCUSS EITHER THE APPLICANT OR ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE.
AND THE C A C SHOULD DECIDE WHAT IT WANTS TO DO.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A WISH TO ASK A QUESTION OR COMMENT ON THIS? OF THE C A C MEMBERS?
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OH.OR OF GARRETT WHO NOT A TECHNICAL ISSUE? ANYONE? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I THOUGHT TWO WEEKS AGO WE ISSUED A REPORT THAT SAID THAT A BUILDING, UM, WITH THE PARAMETERS, THE, THE, THE PHYSICAL PARAMETERS THAT ARE OUTLINED WAS THEN PROPOSED AS A FLOATING ZONE.
BUT WE DIDN'T FOCUS ON THE FLOATING ZONES.
WE FOCUSED ONLY ON THE BUILDING WAS ENVIRONMENTALLY DESTRUCTIVE AND UNSOUND.
WHAT'S, WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, PETER, IS ACTUALLY, UM, SOME OF THE PARAMETERS IN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ARE, UM, MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT WAS, UH, PROPOSED ORIGINALLY FOR THAT SITE.
WHICH, UM, I THINK THE NUMBER OF BEDS CAME DOWN.
AND I, THERE WERE ONE OF THE TWO OTHER OF THE STATISTICS,
WE HAD A LIST OF SEVEN CRITERIA.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE FACING, UM, SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS IN PROCESS.
I THINK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA ADD ON THE ACRE, I WOULD THINK, WHICH IS GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR BE THE SIX ACRES.
'CAUSE WE DID OUR STATISTICS ON FIVE ACRES, IF I'M CORRECT.
DONNA, DO YOU REMEMBER THE STATISTICS WERE DONE ON FIVE, OR YOU DON'T REMEMBER? I THOUGHT THEY WERE DONE ON FIVE.
I THINK ORIGINALLY WE ONLY LEARNED OF THE FIVE SUBSEQUENTLY.
SO, PETER, TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT YOUR QUESTION, UM, JUST 'CAUSE I, I, I, NO, THE QUESTION'S NOT TO YOU, GARRETT.
THE QUESTION IS AN INTERNAL QUESTION TO THE C A C OH, SORRY.
I WAS JUST GONNA LET YOU THAT'S OKAY.
I UNDERSTAND THE, I UNDERSTAND THE PROPOSAL OF, AND, AND WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE QUITE, QUITE WELL.
UH, WHAT I'M ASKING THE C A C IS HOW TWO WEEKS AFTER WE SAID THIS IS A LOUSY PROJECT, ENVIRONMENTALLY WE'RE READY TO SIGN ON TO ABSOLUTELY THE SAME PROJECT.
I, I THINK, PETER, IT'S A QUESTION.
I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE WORKING WITH SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE, THE LONG VIEW.
AND WHAT I VIEW IS THAT BY TAKING THE APPROACH WE'RE TAKING GOING FORWARD, WE WILL GAIN MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY THAN HOW FIGHTING THIS ONE, BECAUSE WE WILL BE LOOKING AT NEW STANDARDS.
WE'LL BE LIMITING THE OCCASION, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE.
I SAY, I, I CAN'T GUARANTEE WHAT THEY WILL BE.
I CERTAINLY KNOW THE C I C WILL HAVE A VOICE IN THAT TO SAY,
I THERE'S NO REASON TO ASSUME THE OTHER VOICE ARE NECESSARILY IN AGREEMENT WITH, THERE'S NO REASON TO ASSUME ANYTHING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
WE'VE DECIDED TO THROW IN THE TOWEL ON THIS THING WITHOUT ANY KIND OF REAL GAIN, REAL CERTAINTY OR AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE FUTURE COULD BE.
FOR ALL WE KNOW FOR, IT'S JUST AS LIKELY IN MY VIEW THAT, UM, UH, WE'VE, WE WIND UP WITH NO RESTRICTIONS AND THAT THIS BECOMES A NEW STANDARD FOR, WITH 50 FOOT, UM, 50 FOOT PERIMETERS, UM, 60, 60%, UM, LOT COVERAGE, HUGE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
AND WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS HOW TWO WEEKS AFTER WE ISSUE A MEMO THAT WE WORKED ON FOR WEEKS AND WEEKS AND WEEKS AND HAD ABSOLUTE UNANIMITY ON, WE ARE NOW PREPARED TO UNDERCUT OUR OWN FINDINGS.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE UNDERCUTTING OUR FINDINGS.
I THINK WE'RE ASSESSING WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE WITH THOSE FINDINGS AND REALIZING THAT WE HAVE SOME SORT OF WORKING POSSIBILITY WITH THE PLANNING BOARD GOING FORWARD.
BECAUSE I THINK THEY LOOKED AT THAT AND WE'RE IN A POSITION NOW WHERE WE SORT OF HAVE TO COME UP WITH HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER TO GET SOMETHING BETTER FOR THE FUTURE.
AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN THE APPROACH.
I KNOW, SHARON, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.
WANNA UNMUTE YOURSELF, SHARON, AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS, SHARON, YOURSELF? SHARON? SHARON, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
YOU HAVE TO TURN MICROPHONE, SHARON, GO TO THAT MICROPHONE AND, AND PUT YOUR FINGER ON AND GET RID OF THAT RED HORIZONTAL LOG.
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WELL, UH, WHY HAVE YOU FINISHING IT? HAVE YOU FINISHED ANSWERING PETER'S QUESTION THE BEST I CAN, BECAUSE I CAN'T REALLY GIVE HIM THE ANSWER HE WANTS.UM, I'M JUST, IT'S JUST A QUESTION.
IT'S, IT'S MORE, I WAS GONNA SAY IT'S A STATEMENT AND IT'S A FAIR STATEMENT AND WE MAKE DIFFERENT CHOICES AT DIFFERENT POINTS.
BUT SHARON, YOU'VE BEEN WAITING WELL, I, I WAS WONDERING, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING BETTER IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED THAT THERE WOULD BE POSSIBLY TWO MORE, UM, FACILITIES LIKE THIS THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE BUILT BASED ON THE 4,000 FOOT.
IT, IT, UH, NO, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING IN AND REVIEWING THIS AND HAVING SOMETHING DONE IN FOUR MONTHS.
AND, AND THE LAW IS, DO YOU WANNA, MIKE, DO YOU WANNA GO OVER THE WAY THE LAW WORKS IN TERMS OF WHEN IT GETS CHANGED WITH AN APPLICATION? NO, IT, IT, IT, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, SHARON.
AND, UM, ONE POSS THE, THE LAST YEAR, THE HIGHEST COURT IN NEW YORK, THE COURT OF APPEALS REAFFIRMED, UH, A RULE THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG, LONG TIME IN NEW YORK, THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A APPLICATION MADE FOR, UH, A ZONING, UH, LAND USE OF AN APP, UH, LAND USE APPLICATION OR ZONING, ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, AND THE LAW GETS CHANGED DURING, AT, AT THE, BEFORE THE APPLICATION GETS COMPLETED.
UM, IT'S THE NEW LAW THAT APPLIES, UH, THAT THE MUNICIPALITY AND THE COURTS WOULD APPLY THE NEW LAW.
WE HAD, WE LOOKED AT THIS AND WHEN MAPLEWOOD WAS AROUND, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE ADOPTED THE TREE LAW, AND THE ISSUE WAS MAPLEWOOD SAID THEY DON'T HAVE TO, UM, COMPLY WITH THE NEW TREE COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT LAW.
THEY HAD TO JUST COMPLY WITH THE OLD, UH, TREE LAW.
AND WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE SENT A MEMO TO THE COMMISSIONER AND THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, AND, UM, THEY DISCUSSED IT WITH MAPLEWOOD, AND THEY SAID, YEP, YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, UH, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW LAW.
UH, SO I, I THINK IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT A PROJECT OF THIS COMPLEXITY CAN BE, UM, WILL GO THROUGH THE, UM, UM, MULTI-LAYERED, UH, UH, UH, UH, TOWN BOARD, UH, PLANNING BOARD AND C A C PROCESS IN FOUR MONTHS.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE.
UH, SO FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS, UH, SO THE NEW LAW, WHATEVER THE NEW LAW WOULD BE, I, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE AN INPUT IN, AS TERRY SAYS, BUT, UH, UM, UH, UH, UH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME SENSITIVITY, UM, TO THE ISSUES WE'VE RAISED.
UH, I NO ONE WHEN NO ONE KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT'S THE WAY, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WAY THE DEMOCRACY WORKS.
UH, IF, IF THE COMMUNITY WAS TO DECIDE THAT THIS DEVELOPER DRIVEN, UH,
UM, UH, AND, UH, WHAT YOU TALKING, I BEG YOUR POINT.
WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT MIKE? HOW, HOW CAN WE VIGOROUSLY FIGHT IT? WE JUST, WE'RE APPROVING IT ON THE COMMITTEE.
WE WILL VIGOROUSLY FIGHT THAT THIS IS NOT THE BEST SIGHTING.
AND WE WILL ALSO PRO PROPOSE THAT IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL AREA, UH, THERE BE DIFFERENT STANDARDS.
NOW, WE ACTUALLY SENT THAT TO THE TOWN BOARD.
WE SENT THAT CONCEPT TO THE TOWN BOARD IN ON FEBRUARY 4TH, AND THAT WAS PART OF OUR MEMO TO THE TOWN BOARD ON FEBRUARY 4TH.
AND THAT MEMO IS ON THE, UH, TOWN WEBSITE.
AND, UM, I, I THINK TERRY, WELL, I, I, I, LET'S HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHARON'S GOT ANY FOLLOW UP.
DO YOU WANT, I WANNA, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU SAID.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF THIS LAW IS PASSED, THEN THE, UM, UH, RIGHT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS LAW.
NO, THIS LAW SEEMS TO HANG UP FOR THEM.
BUT YOU DON'T EXPECT THIS LAW TO BE ENACTED WITHIN FOUR MONTHS.
I DON'T KNOW, FOUR MONTHS IS THIS YEAH, I, I, IF, IF THIS LAW PASSES RIGHT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS LAW.
BUT TH THIS LAW SHARON AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL PERMIT BRIGHTVIEW
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TO BUILD THE C C F THEY WANT AT METROPOLIS.NOW IF THE COMMITTEE, IF THE COMMITTEE COMES UP WITH DIFFERENT STANDARDS IN THE FUTURE, MICHAEL, MIKE, WHAT COMMITTEE? THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS THE RESOLUTION, THE RESOLUTION REQUIRES, YES.
IF THE, EXCUSE ME TO, I WAS CONFUSED BY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO INVESTI INVESTIGATE.
WHAT IS THE COMMITTEE GOING TO STUDY? THE COMMITTEE IS GONNA STUDY FOR SITES THAT COULD BE USED.
NO, THE, THE COMMITTEE IS GONNA STUDY THE AVAILABILITY, THE ZONING, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, COMMUNITY BENEFITS AND FISCAL IMPACTS OF SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES IN UNINCORPORATED GREENBURG.
I, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, SLOWER AVAILABILITY.
WE HAVE 10 OR 11 THINGS ALREADY.
THE ZONING, THAT WOULD BE THE STANDARDS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IN RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, UM, LIKE TAXES AND THE FISCAL IMPACTS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED MORE POLICE, MORE FIRE? DO WE NEED MORE E M SS? UM, AND UM, THAT WOULD BE WHAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD STUDY.
NOW IF YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS THEY SHOULD STUDY, THAT'S OKAY TOO.
NO, I JUST DON'T SEE ANY POINT TO IT REALLY, BECAUSE WE, WE'VE GOT SO MANY, UH, SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES IN THE TOWN ALREADY.
WHY ARE WE PLANNING AHEAD FOR MORE? BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE APPLICATIONS.
IT'S SORT OF A VERY INTERESTING PHENOMENA RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE BUILDING THEM ALL OVER.
AND I THINK OUR CONCERN IS THAT WE REALLY, AS A COMMUNITY HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT WHERE WE WANT THEM, WHAT WE AS A COMMUNITY WANT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN THE MASTER PLAN, AND MY PERSONAL THING IS WE HAVE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF EMPTY SPACE ALONG PLACES LIKE CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS, SOME OF THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES, FOR INSTANCE, THE ASSISTED LIVING AND WHITE PLAINS, THERE'S ONE ON MAPLE AVENUE.
I MEAN, WE MAY SEE WHERE THAT MIGHT BE A MORE VIABLE PLACE, ONE 19 OR CENTRAL AVENUE.
AND, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WOULD BECOME NEW BECAUSE WE WERE TAKING BE TAKING A PLACE THAT WAS CURRENTLY CONCRETED OVER AND PUTTING ANOTHER BUILDING IN A CONCRETED OVER SPACE.
I MEAN, THE SUBSEQUENT THING AFTER THE FOUR MONTH REPORT ON THE ACTUAL FACILITIES IS A PIECE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THE TOWN.
AND THAT'S TO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER WAYS DO WE MAKE LIVING IN PLACE WORK FOR SENIORS.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS ON OUR C A C AND MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT, UM, UM, STAYING IN PLACE, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT GOING TO A FACILITY.
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW CAN I DO THIS IN MY TOWN? AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT THERE TO SAY, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT MORE VIABLE IN THE TOWN? AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS MAY END UP BEING ZONING CODE CHANGES GOING FORWARD IN HOUSING OR PARTICULAR TYPES OF HOUSING THAT ARE, ARE BEING PROPOSED.
SO I THINK THIS IS A MORE MOSTLY DIMENSIONAL AND HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE SENIOR LIVING PROBLEM.
I REALIZE THAT IN TERMS OF THIS ONE PARTICULAR SITE, WE PROBABLY ARE NOT TERRIBLY HAPPY WITH IT.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO SORT OF BALANCE THAT AGAINST THE GAINS WE GET BY TAKING AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH THAT GIVES US THE POSSIBILITY GOING FORWARD TO HAVE PROBABLY, I'M HOPING A BIGGER ENVIRONMENTAL GAIN AND A LOT OF OTHER GAINS COMING OUT AND HAVING THIS DRIVEN BY THE COMMUNITY AND NOT BEING DRIVEN BY THE, THE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND SAYING, THIS IS WHAT I'M GONNA BUILD.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING.
CAN I, CAN I JUST SAY WE DON'T, CAN I SAY ONE? NO, SORRY.
IF WE DON'T PASS THIS LAW, WE CAN STILL FIGHT.
HAVING BRIGHTVIEW HAVE ALL THESE EXCEPTIONS TO OUR ZONING LAWS.
I THINK THAT'S A FIGHT THAT WE'LL LOSE.
I THINK TRULY SHARON, WE'LL LOSE.
IT'S, THE PROJECT IS TOO FAR GONE.
WELL, I I, I WANNA, I JUST WANNA SORT OF REINSERT MYSELF HERE AND GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, TERRY AND MIKE, YOU HAVE MADE THE POINT, TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT THE C A C IS THE ONLY ORGANIZATION WITHIN THE TOWN GOVERNMENT, THE ONLY VOICE FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND THERE'S NO OTHER AGENCY OR TOWN BODY, UH,
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OFFICIAL OR UNOFFICIAL THAT IS SUPPOSED TO PUT THE ENVIRONMENT FIRST.OUR ROLE IS NOT TO, UM, BECOME PART OF A, UH, UH, NEGOTIA.
I DON'T THINK OUR ROLE, AND I DON'T THINK THE, THE ENABLING STATUTE, UM, CREATING THE C A C UH, ALLOWS US OR PERMITS US TO, UM, INSERT OURSELVES IN A, IN LIKE WHAT, IN WHAT YOU AND MIKE HAVE, UH, TALKED ABOUT AS A VERY, UM, COMPLICATED ISSUE WITH LOTS OF MOVING PARTS.
THE WAY I SEE THE CAC NO, I, I ANSWER THAT.
I I HAVEN'T FINISHED THIS, BUT YOU'RE JUST WRONG ON THAT.
I, I WANNA GO TO, WHEN I SERVED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS THE C A C REPRESENTATIVE MM-HMM.
AND I NOT SAT THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS EVERY FRIDAY MORNING AND DID THE WORK THAT WAS REQUIRED.
DID I GET EVERYTHING I WANTED? NO.
DID I MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES? AND DID THE CACS REPORTS ON THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MAKE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES? YES.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATION, IT'S NOT A WINNER TAKE ALL GAME.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE'RE ADVOCATING IN YES.
AND CUT THE BEST DEAL WE CAN GET, BUT OTHER WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT CUTTING THE DEAL.
THERE WILL BE OTHER PEOPLE CUTTING THE DEAL AND THERE WILL BE OTHER PEOPLE, UM, ADJUDICATING THIS ISSUE.
THE TOWN BOARD, OUR ROLE AS THE C A C IS TO TELL THE TOWN THAT THIS IS A LOUSY PROJECT FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
IT VIOLATES, UM, ALL THE PRINCIPLES THAT WE OUTLINED VERY CLEARLY IN THE MEMO WE ISSUED TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND I'D SAY THAT'S WHERE OUR JOB ENDS.
PETER, YOU ARE JUST WRONG ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE C A C.
THE OPERATIVE WORD IN THE C A C IS TO ADVISE, RIGHT? WE ADVISE THE TOWN BOARD.
I DON'T HAVE ON WHAT ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, RIGHT? AND IT DOESN'T SAY ON A PARTICULAR PROJECT, RIGHT? THERE IS NO, NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT THE SOUND IS ADVICE THE C A C CAN GIVE TO THE TOWN BOARD IS WHAT GARRETT PROPOSED WITH HIS ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING CODE.
AND WHAT GARY HAS PROPOSED ABOUT THE RESOLUTION TO CREATE A SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO ADVISE ON WHAT SHOULD BE THE STANDARDS GOING FORWARD FOR SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES.
THERE'S NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT THAT IS THE SOUNDEST AND MOST REAL WORLD PRACTICAL ADVICE WE CAN GIVE.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT MIKE, WE COULD PUT TOGETHER THAT COMMITTEE, THAT COMMITTEE COULD BE PUT TOGETHER AND GO INTO OPERATION TOMORROW.
AND THE C A C COULD STILL ADVISE AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
AND THE C A C COULD STILL, THERE'S NOT, THERE'S, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE, ARE, ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER.
I THINK THE COMMITTEE'S A GREAT IDEA ONLY IN LOGIC, NOT IN THE REAL WORLD.
UH, ANYBODY ELSE? DONNA, DONNA COMMENTS? SO CAN I PICK ON YOU DONNA AND THEN MARGARET.
DONNA, YOU GOTTA DO THAT MUTE, MUTE THING.
SO I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED TEXT AND IT IS BETTER THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED BEFORE IN TERMS OF BEDS PER ACRE IN TERMS OF BUILD, UM, IN TERMS OF PARKING STEP BACK IN TERMS OF F A R IN TERMS OF BUILDING COVERAGE.
AND I KNOW, UM, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT BRIGHTVIEW WOULD, WOULD LOOK LIKE IN MEETING THESE CRITERIA.
I KNOW THEY'VE ALREADY MADE SOME CHANGES AND MAYBE WITH THOSE CHANGES THEY ACTUALLY DO MEET THESE CRITERIA.
NOW I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE KNOW ERIC, DO YOU KNOW IF IF THE CRITERIA, UH, THEY'RE CURRENTLY MEETING THE CRITERIA OF THE NEW, NEW LEGISLATION? YEAH, NO.
IT APPEARS THAT, UM, THEIR PROJECT WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH, UH, THESE CRITERIA.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO MEET THESE CRITERIA? NO, I'M SAYING, UH, IT, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THEIR, THEIR PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THESE CRITERIA.
THEY WOULD NOT, UH, MEET A VARIANCE.
THEY WOULD NEED WAIVERS FROM THE TOWN BOARD THOUGH, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, WHEREAS BEFORE, I THINK IT WAS UP TO FOUR STORIES 55.
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REFERENCE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY HERE.UH, IT'S, AS IT WAS STATED PREVIOUSLY, IT'S THREE STORIES 40.
HOWEVER, WHERE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS WARRANTED, UH, THE TOM BOARD CAN, CAN ENABLE A HIGHER HEIGHT.
DONNA, YOU HAVE OTHER COMMENTS? YOU HAD ASKED ME BEFORE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CHART WAS BASED ON FOUR OR FIVE, FIVE OR SIX ACRES THAT I CAN'T SAY I'M LOOKING AT THE CHART BECAUSE I, I TOOK OUR CHART FOR C C F FROM WHAT BRIGHTVIEW GAVE US.
SO I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL CALCULATIONS OF THINGS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE BASING THEIR CHART ON THE FIVE OR SIX ACRES.
UH, UH, DONNA, UH, THE MARGARET, MARGARET MARGARET'S OUT OF THE CAR, SO, SO YEAH.
SO, UM, I HEAR YOU, PETER, OR I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I OBSERVE BEING A MEMBER OF THE C A C IS WE REALLY CAN'T STOP ANYTHING.
AND I THINK WE'RE MAKING IT BETTER.
I THINK, I THINK ALL OF THIS, LET LET MARGARET TALK.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
SO MARGARET, I MEAN, MY ANSWER TO THAT IS, UM, WE ARE NOT MAKING IT BETTER.
THE, THIS PROCESS IS REALLY SIDELINING OUR OBJECTIONS TO THIS PROJECT AND PUSHING THEM AWAY AND SIDELINE AND BASICALLY BURYING THEM.
THE PRO AND THE GOOD THAT'S COMING OUT OF THIS PROCESS, WHICH IS A COMMITTEE TO STUDY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS STUDYING COULD HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER C A C ENDORSED THIS PROJECT OR WHETHER C A C CAME OUT AGAINST THIS PROJECT.
MY VIEW IS THAT THE C A C NEEDS TO HAVE, IF IT'S TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY AS A VOICE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO DON'T SEE THE SAUSAGE BEING MADE, UM, AND, AND HAVE SOME CREDIBILITY IN THE WIDER COMMUNITY AS A ORGANIZATION THAT, UM, TENDS TO PROMOTE A BETTER ENVIRONMENT THAT WE CAN'T, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF, UM, UH, CONTEMP, I FORGET, I, I'M NOT, I CAN'T FIND THE WORD NOW, BUT A LOT OF EQUIVOCATION WHEN WE GO BACK AND ESSENTIALLY TAKE A REPORT THAT WE ISSUED TWO WEEKS AGO AFTER, UM, UH, WEEKS AND WEEKS OF WORK AND, AND A UNANIMOUS VOTE AND BASICALLY SAY, OH, WELL NEVERMIND.
WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT I DISAGREE WITH YOU.
I THINK THIS PROJECT IS BETTER.
WE HAVE FEWER BEDS, WE HAVE BIGGER SETBACKS.
I THINK IT'S A BETTER PROJECT.
AND, AND I THINK PETER, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING HOW SAUSAGE IS MADE, THE REALITY IS THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANNA KNOW HOW SAUSAGE AND LAWS ARE MADE.
BUT THE REALITY IS THE ABSOLUTEST ENVIRONMENT, UH, THE SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THAT GOES ON AT THE NATURE CENTER MM-HMM.
I ALWAYS CALL BACK TO WHEN I FIRST JOINED THE CAC C PAUL ABERNATHY WAS ON THE TOWN COUNCIL, AND HE SAID TO US, 'CAUSE THEY WERE REVIT REVITALIZING AT THAT TIME, AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING IS IN LAW.
HE SAID, THAT'S SPIRIT REALLY MATTERS.
YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THE LAWS AND GET THE LAWS TO WORK MM-HMM.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT YEARS ON A TREE LAW.
WE'VE SPENT YEARS ON LOOKING AT SUPPORTING LEGISLATION TO GET RID OF PLASTIC BAGS AND GO INTO ONE TIME USE BAGS BECAUSE OUR RESEARCH SHOWED PAPER WAS AS BAD AS PLASTIC.
AND THEN WHEN WE WERE ADVOCATING FOR ONE TIME USE BAGS AND NO PAPER, WE WERE A MINORITY.
AND WE SAID, NO, THE SCIENCE ISN'T THERE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE LONG VIEW ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF AS A, AS A, AS A ORGANIZATIONAL GROUP TO GET BIGGER GAINS IN THE LONG TERM.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS PERHAPS A SHORT TERM LOSS, BUT A BIGGER GAIN GOING FORWARD.
IF I WAS CONVINCED, TERRY, THAT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY RESULT IN A, IN A BETTER LONG-TERM OUTCOME, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE FOR IT.
UM, I DON'T BELIEVE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SHOT, YOU HAVE A SHOT AT THAT, BUT FOR INSTANCE, JUST TAKE FOR AS ONE EXAMPLE, THE MORATORIUM THAT WOULD BE
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DECLARED THE FOUR MONTH MORATORIUM OR FIVE MONTH MORATORIUM, UM, DURING THE TIME THAT THE COMMITTEE IS IN EFFECT, UM, STUDYING THE ISSUE.THE MORATORIUM IS CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH THE STUDY GROUP, BUT, AND DISAPPEARS ONCE THE STUDY IS ISSUED.
BUT THE TOWN BOARD MAY NOT ACT ON THE, UM, ON THE REPORT AND MAY NOT IMPLEMENT ANYTHING.
SO THERE'S NOW A HUGE GAP IN WHICH THERE'S NO MORATORIUM AND THERE ARE NO NEW STANDARDS.
SO I CAN SEE, UM, RIGHT VIEW AND THEIR LAW FIRM COMING BACK AND SAYING, OH, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A NEW SITE AND WE WANT IT TO BE JUST AS BIG AS THIS ONE THAT YOU JUST ALLOWED US.
AND THERE WILL BE NO REASONABLE WAY FOR ANYBODY TO STOP THEM.
WHY IS THAT WRONG? BUT OKAY, I THINK.
ONE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN ACTUAL MORATORIUM.
I COULD BE WRONG ON THAT, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THERE IS NO ACTUAL MORATORIA MORATORIUM TO STOP IT.
OH, IS THAT TAKEN OUT? I DON'T, IT WAS NEVER IN THERE.
IT WAS NEVER IN, WHAT AM I THINKING? WHAT AM I THINKING ABOUT THEN? BUT, BUT I SAW SOMETHING ABOUT MORATORIUM ALSO.
SO WAS THAT IN THE EARLIER DRAFT? I GUESS IT REALLY GOES TO YOUR VIEW, I GUESS I'M A HALF THE GLASS IS HALF FULL PERSON MM-HMM.
I DON'T THINK WE'D HAVE A TREE LAW IF THAT WEREN'T THE CASE.
I MEAN, MY FIRST SHOT IN A TREE LAW WAS SOMETIME AROUND 2003.
BUT YOU JUST SAY, HOW DO YOU GET THINGS TO BE WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO BE? AND YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A TOWN BOARD YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
YOU HAVE OTHER BOARD, ANOTHER BOARD, A PLANNING BOARD THAT'S INVOLVED.
YOU HAVE COMMUNITY BOARDS AND, AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE, ARE DRIVEN BY DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY WANT.
SO IT IS THAT SAUSAGE THING IS WHAT IT'S COMING DOWN TO.
WE'RE MAKING, WE'RE ASKING YOU GUYS TO ENDORSE, MAKING SAUSAGE IS WHAT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO.
SO WHEN WE GET DONE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD MEAL GOING FORWARD.
ANYONE ELSE? CAN I ASK SOMETHING? YEAH.
CAN I JUST ASK ONE MORE THING? SURE.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A CHANGE TO THE, THE TOWN CODE.
THIS DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO IN THE FUTURE SEE THE PROJECT AGAIN.
A BENEFIT OF THIS IS WE SEE THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS AGAIN, UM, UH, ABSOLUTELY EACH AND INDIVIDUAL PROJECT.
UM, UH, AND, AND THERE'S A LOT IN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS LAW, THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT THE TOWN THAT HERE PREPARED, THERE'S A LOT IN HERE THAT THE TOWN BOARD, IT HAS A STANDARD, AND THEN THE TOWN BOARD CAN MAKE IT LOOSER.
AND IN THOSE AREAS, WE WOULD'VE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TO SAY AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE, THIS, THIS DOESN'T WORK HERE.
UH, SHARON, ANYTHING ELSE? SHARON? NO.
WHY DON'T WE, WHY DON'T WE, AT THIS TIME, UH, TERRY, IF YOU DON'T, WHY DON'T WE THEN ASK IF ANY OF OUR GUESTS, UH, THE APPLICANT OR ANY OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, LET ME, UH, SEE, UH, MS. LIPSON IF, IF SHE WANTS TO, UH, MAKE ANY COMMENTS.
UM, I THINK THE COMMITTEE IS A GOOD IDEA TO GO FORWARD TO INVESTIGATE WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN TERMS OF SENIOR HOUSING.
UH, WHEN I WAS ATTENDING THE MEETINGS AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I HAD, UH, THOUGHT ABOUT AND SUGGESTED THAT WE SOMETIMES EVEN LOOK AT WHAT'S CALLED CLUSTER HOUSING FOR SENIORS WHO WANT TO STAY IN PLACE.
UH, RATHER THAN, AND YEARS AGO, I UNDERSTAND THIS WAS BROUGHT UP ON THE OLI PROPERTY, UM, WHICH THEN OF COURSE, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN THE, UM, THE GOLF RANGE, BUT THINGS GOT MESSED UP AND WHATEVER HAPPENED IT DID NOT.
BUT CLUSTER HOUSING, I REALLY THINK IS A POSSIBILITY.
UH, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE METROPOLIS ASSISTED LIVING GOING FORWARD.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THE DENSITY.
EVERY OTHER ASSISTED, EVERY OTHER ASSISTED LIVING HAD TO DEAL WITH THE 25 BEDS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT BRIGHTVIEW HAS TO NOW WANTS TO COME IN AND CHANGE THAT.
THEY CAN CALL IT A C C F THEY CAN CALL IT AN A, B, C, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT, BUT
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I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN THE EXTRA DENSITY THE CHELSEA HAD TO, HAD TO HANDLE THAT.UM, THE ORIGINAL BRIGHTVIEW HAD TO HANDLE IT.
UM, SHELL BORN HAD TO HANDLE THE DENSITY.
OF COURSE, THEY GOT SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DIDN'T THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN, BUT THAT'S WHERE I STAND.
I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF METROPOLIS GOING FORWARD.
UH, BRIGHTVIEW HAS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE.
MR. ALEK, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? HI, MY NAME IS MAX ALAK AND I'M AN ASSOCIATE WITH THE FIRM THERE AND ASSIGNMENTS REPRESENTING BRIGHTVIEW IN THE METROPOLITAN OR METROPOLIS, EXCUSE ME, PROJECT.
UM, AND I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR, UM, HAVING ME HERE, UH, TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN IN.
UM, MY ROLE TODAY IS TO TAKE NOTES.
I AM THE MESSENGER TO GO BACK TO MY BOSS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
UH, BUT I DID WANNA THANK YOU TO HAVE THE, FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN IN.
UH, BUT NO COMMENTS AT THE MOMENT, BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INPUT SO FAR.
UH, UH, KEN, I I, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING BEFORE WE VOTE ON WHAT WE WANNA DO? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANNA ADD TO THIS? AND THEN GARRETT? UH, I'M SORT OF LINED UP BEHIND PETER.
I DON'T QUITE, I DON'T QUITE, I, I FEEL LIKE ALL THE, ALL THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO COME UP WITH THIS STATEMENT THAT YOU GUYS ISSUED TWO WEEKS AGO, SUDDENLY IS MORE AMORPHOUS.
LIKE, IT DOESN'T, IT DIDN'T, AND I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT FROM THERE TO HERE.
AND RAW
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UH, OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO, JUST, UH, NO, I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
SO, SO I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO COME AT, OH, SHARON.
YEAH, I, I WAS JUST WONDERING, WE HAD ASKED
AND HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY RESPONSE ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE'VE REQUESTED? UM, WE'VE POSTED THE UPDATED, UH, RENDERINGS FROM CROSS SECTIONS, FROM VARIOUS VANTAGE POINTS.
UM, TO THE EXTENT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM, UH, I APOLOGIZE, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY CIRCULATE THEM.
BUT HAS THE MODEL, HAS THE MODEL BEEN PUT FORWARD? 'CAUSE I DO THINK WHEN THIS PROJECT IS BEING CONSIDERED, THAT, UM, MODEL THAT PETER SUGGESTED REALLY WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF IT.
THEY GAVE US THIS INSTEAD OF THE MODEL THEY GAVE US WHAT KEN CROSS INSTEAD OF NOT A SUBSTITUTE.
I, I'M SORRY, BUT THEY GAVE US WHAT I JUST DIDN'T HERE, KEN, THE CROSS SECTIONS THAT GARRETT WAS JUST DESCRIBING.
OH, THE ONES THAT WENT BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.
I MEAN, I, I JUST, I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, EVEN GOING FORWARD WITH ANY PROJECT, PETER'S SUGGESTION OF THE MODELS, WHEN PROJECTS ARE THIS BIG, I THINK THE MODELS WOULD REALLY BE VERY HELPFUL, HELPFUL FOR BOTH THE BOARD AND EVEN THE COMMUNITY.
BECAUSE THE MODEL CAN WORK THE OTHER WAY.
THE MODEL CAN MAKE THE, MAKE THE SALE THAT SOMETHING ISN'T AS BIG AS PEOPLE THINK IT'S GONNA BE.
I THINK THE MODEL PUTS SOMETHING IN A WAY THAT VISUALLY PEOPLE CAN DO A REAL ASSESSMENT THAT, OH, IT'S THIS HIGH AND THE HOUSE IS THIS HIGH OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IT'S ONLY THIS HIGH AND IT'S WAY OVER HERE.
AND WE REALLY, IT'S A WONDERFUL TOOL THAT PETER HAS SUGGESTED.
AND I REALLY THINK GOING FORWARD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE START TO REQUIRE THEM ON BIG PROJECTS BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY WOULD HELP EVERYBODY TO HAVE A REALLY A, A REASONABLE KINDA LOOK AT WHAT'S PROPOSED.
AND IS THAT, GARRETT, WE HAD ASKED FOR OTHER INFORMATION TOO.
I I, IS IT POSSIBLE TO REQUIRE MODELS ON BIG PROJECTS LIKE THIS? UM, ULTIMATELY A COMPONENT OF SEEKER IS TO ASK FOR VISUALLY WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WILL ASSIST.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT CODIFIED.
BECAUSE I DO THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR EVERYTHING INVOLVED.
AND, AND AS I SAID, I THINK IT CAN WORK BOTH THE OTHER WAY ALSO TO MAKE PROJECTS ACCEPTABLE WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE EXTERIOR IS GONNA LOOK LIKE,
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WHERE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE.'CAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE PLANS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN TERMS OF PARTICULARLY PEOPLE.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE VARYING DEGREES OF EXPERTISE ON THIS ON OUR OWN COMMITTEE, JUST FROM HAVING LOOKED AT SOME OF THEM.
OF COURSE, THIS IS PETER AND DONNA PROFESSIONALLY DO THIS.
SO THEY OBVIOUSLY CAN LOOK AT THIS PAPERWORK WITH A VERY DIFFERENT SET OF EYES.
BUT I THINK FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHEN WE HAVE MEETINGS, IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
CARRIE, MAY I
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THEIR RENDERINGS WERE, UM, VERY HELPFUL AS FAR AS UNDERSTANDING, UM, YOU SHED PERSPECTIVES BASED ON TOPOGRAPHY, UM, AND THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT BENEFIT, BUT THAT WAS PRESENTED, UH, TO BOTH THE TOWN BOARD AND THE PLANNING BOARD.
CARRIE, MAY I SAY SOMETHING? SURE.
UM, I REMEMBER WHEN REGENERON CAME IN AND THEY BROUGHT IN A BIG MODEL, EXACTLY.
AND THEY MADE THE WHOLE THING AROUND THE EXTERIOR ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING TO BE THERE THAT WAS GOING TO BE ON, UM, THE HUNDRED ACRES.
AND THEN THEY TOOK THE TOP OFF AND THEY SHOWED YOU EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
BUT IT WAS REALLY NICE THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE HEIGHT, THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING, OF THIS COMPLEX COMPARED TO WHAT WAS GOING ON.
AND I'M SURE THAT IT CAN BE DONE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IT COSTS, BUT OF COURSE, THIS CAN BE DONE.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IN THE FUTURE POSSIBLY TO ASK THE BIG PROJECTS TO GO FORTH WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
I, I THINK GETTING BACK TO WHAT MIKE WAS GONNA, I THINK STARTING TO SUGGEST IS THAT GOING FORWARD WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION FROM THE C A C, UM, A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, THE TWO, THE PROPOSAL, BOTH THE LAW AND THE, UM, THE MEMORANDUM.
AND THEN ALSO I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, IF THE C A C WOULD AUTHORIZE, UH, MYSELF AND MIKE TO KIND OF CONTINUE TO WORK ON FINALIZING THESE AMENDMENTS AND RESOLUTIONS.
IT IS THIS SUMMER, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THIS ALONG VERY QUICKLY.
SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS TO HAVE STUFF MOVED.
IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD TO GET EVERYONE TOGETHER AND, AND A LOT OF DECISIONS ARE GONNA JUST HAVE TO BE MADE.
SHARON, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP.
AND UH, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THIS IS IS GOING VERY QUICKLY.
AND YES, IT'S SUMMER, BUT I'D BE WILLING TO COME TO ANOTHER MEETING AND AFTER WE GET THE MATERIAL AND THE MODEL AND THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT WE ASKED FOR FROM THE APPLICANT, SO WOULD I, I JUST, OKAY, WELL, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS BEING.
WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY MEETING AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO, CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS.
WELL, UM, WHAT I, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UM, PROPOSE WHAT I WROTE OUT AS A RESOLUTION AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON IT AND WE'LL SEE IF IT PASSES.
AND, UH, WHOEVER'S TAKING THE MINUTES, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS IT YOU, PETER? YES.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRITE THIS DOWN BECAUSE IF IT PASSES, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU OR, OR IF IT DOESN'T PASS, YOU'LL SEND IT TO THEM.
THE CBA THE CAC HEREBY RECOMMENDS THE TOWN BOARD APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT LOCAL LAW AMENDING ZONING CODE SECTIONS 2 85 DASH FIVE AND 2 85 DASH 10 A FOUR, DRAFTED BY THE COMMISSIONER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CONSERVATION AND PRESENTED TO THE AUGUST 3RD, 2020 MEETING A COPY OF WHICH IS ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES AS CON AS CONTEMPLATED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE C A C FURTHER RECOMMENDS THE TOWN BOARD APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, APPOINTING A SPECIAL COMMITTEE TO EXPLORE SPECIAL PERMITS AND APPROPRIATE STANDARDS FOR A VARIETY OF SENIOR HOUSING FACILITIES IN BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND NON RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS DRAFTED BY THE COMMISSION OF, OF THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND CONSERVATION PRESENTED TO THE AUGUST 3RD, 2020 MEETING, A COPY OF WHICH IS ATTACHED TO THE MINUTES.
THE C A C
THEN ANY MODIFICATIONS THEY NEED APPROPRIATE, AS LONG AS THE CHANGES DO NOT MATERIALLY CHANGE THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED.
THE C A C AT ITS AUGUST 3RD, 2020, MEETING THE C A C REAFFIRMS AND CONTINUES TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN ITS FEBRUARY 4TH, 2020 REPORT THAT DOWN BOARD OPPOSING THE ZONING CHANGES PROPOSED BY APPLICANT QUITE VIEW.
SO, UM, THAT'S, UM, WHAT I, UH, WHAT I, UM, UM, UM, I FORGET WHAT THE WORD IS THAT THAT'S WHAT I, UH, YOUR RESOLUTION THAT
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YOU'RE PUTTING FORTH, THAT'S THE RESOLUTION I BRING FORTH.AND WE'LL SEE IF IT'S A SECOND AND WE'LL VOTE ON IT.
WOULD SOMEONE SECOND WANNA SECOND THAT? SO MOVED.
SO I GUESS WE'LL DO A VOTE BY HAND.
LET'S DO A VOTE BY, BY ROLL CALL.
OH, YOU WANNA DO BY ROLL CALL? YEAH.
AND BASICALLY YOU HAVE THREE CHOICES.
SO WE'LL START OUT WITH DONNA.
THAT PASSES PAINFUL MEETING
BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE TAKING THE TIME TO DO THIS AND TO MEET IN THE SUMMER AND TO MOVE THE HOURS AROUND.
NOW WHAT ARE PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES? BECAUSE REMEMBER, THIS IS A VERY LIMITED THING, THIS AUTHORIZATION FOR THE CHAIRMAN, VICE CHAIR, UM, TO WORK ON THINGS THAT IF THESE THINGS GET CHANGED, IT'S, IF THERE'S ANY MATERIAL CHANGES, WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE C A C.
SO WHAT, SOMEONE SAID THEY WERE GOING ON VACATION AT THE END, I THINK IT WAS DONNA AT THE END OF AUGUST.
IS THAT RIGHT? NO, NOT THE END OF AUGUST.
UH, HAS ANYONE ELSE GOT PLANS THAT THEY KNOW OF FOR AUGUST? I'LL BE GONE FROM THE 15TH TILL LABOR DAY.
BUT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN REACH ME.
YOU CAN DO US, YOU ZOOM ON THE BOAT.
YOU HAVE A UH, UH, UH, UH, IPHONE? YEAH.
BECAUSE IF, BECAUSE IF THE MATERIAL CHANGES, I THINK WE'LL COME BACK TO C A C.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING DONNA? RIGHT NOW WE'RE SCHEDULED TO GO UP TO ITHACA.
AND I SO INSTATE SO THEY CAN LET YOU BACK.
I FIGURED THAT CUOMO CANNOT PUT NEW YORK ON THE LIST.
IT'S, IT'S LIKE YOU ALMOST, WELL, HE DID MAKE THE COMMENT IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE, LIKE WITH NEW JERSEY TO RESTRICT THEM SINCE, SINCE YOU KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE IN NEW JERSEY WORK IN NEW YORK AND GOING BACK AND FORTH, THAT WOULD BE A REALLY DIFFICULT ONE TO DO.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THIS EVENING? THEN? I GUESS THE MEETING IS OVER AND WE CAN ALL GO HAVE OUR DINNER.
I'LL TALK TO YOU BEFORE LABOR DAY.